* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:01] CLOSED CAPTIONING PROVIDED BY BUFORT COUNTY [*A portion of this video is without audio*] COMMISSIONER JIM FLYNN. YEAH. COMMISSIONER DAN GROVE. NOTICE REGARDING [III. NOTICE REGARDING ADJOURNMENT] ADJOURNMENT, THE PLANNING COMMISSION WILL NOT HEAR NEW ITEMS AFTER NINE 30 UNLESS AUTHORIZED BY MAJORITY VOTE OF THE COMMISSION MEMBERS PRESENT ITEMS WHICH HAVE NOT BEEN HEARD BEFORE NINE 30 MAY BE CONTINUED TO THE NEXT REGULAR MEETING OR A SPECIAL MEETING DATE AS DETERMINED BY COMMISSION. MEMBERS MAY HAVE AN ADOPTION OF [IV. ADOPTION OF MINUTES] THE MINUTES OF OCTOBER THE 23RD. SO MOVED. DO HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR, AYE. AYE. SAME. DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT? NO. OKAY. UHOH NO OLD BUSINESS. SO WE'LL GO TO NEW BUSINESS. [VII.1. Venture at Okatie Bluff (Certificate of Appropriateness-Highway Corridor Overlay District): A request by Witmer Jones Keefer, on behalf of Parcel 8A, LLC for approval of a COFA-HCO for the architecture, landscaping and lighting for an apartment complex to include six (6) multifamily residential buildings with approximately 150 dwelling units, four (4) garage buildings, a clubhouse, amenities and associated infrastructure. The subject property consists of approximately 22.0 acres identified as Parcel R610 028 000 5419 0000, located approximately at the northeast corner of the intersection of SC Highway 170 and Gibbet Road, zoned Buckwalter PUD within the Parcel B-1 Master Plan of the Buckwalter Planned Unit Development. (COFA-09-24-019322) (Staff – Charlotte Moore)] A VENTURE AT OKIE BLUFF. CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR THE HCOD REQUEST BY WHITMER JONES. KEEFER ON BEHALF OF PARCEL EIGHT A LLC FOR APPROVAL OF A COFA FOR THE ARCHITECTURE, LANDSCAPING AND LIGHTING FOR APARTMENT COMPLEX TO INCLUDE SIX MULTI-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL BUILDINGS WITH APPROXIMATELY 150 DWELLING UNITS. FOUR GARAGE BUILDINGS, A CLUBHOUSE, AMENITIES AND ASSOCIATED INFRASTRUCTURE. CHARLOTTE, EXCUSE ME. THANK YOU FOR THE INTRODUCTION. UM, LET ME GET RIGHT INTO IT. UM, AGAIN, THIS IS FOR THE ARCHITECTURE, LIGHTING AND LANDSCAPING. UH, DAN WILL BE, UH, PRESENTING OUR, UH, THE PORTION ABOUT LANDSCAPING. SO LET ME GO AHEAD AND JUMP RIGHT IN TO, UM, THE LOCATION OF THE PROPERTY. UM, AS YOU INDICATED, IT IS A, UH, 16 ACRE PROPERTY OF A FORMER 22 ACRE TRACT. IT IS LOCATED AT THE CORNER, UH, NORTHEAST CORNER OF HIGHWAY ONE 70 AND SHEPE ROAD. UM, HERE IS THE PROPOSED, UH, PLAN. THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN HAS BEEN APPROVED AND IT DOES INCLUDE SIX APARTMENT BUILDINGS. THERE ARE FOUR DIFFERENT, UH, VARIATIONS OF THE BUILDINGS. AND I'LL GO OVER THE, THE VARIOUS, UM, ELEVATIONS IN JUST A MOMENT. IT DOES INCLUDE FOUR PARKING GARAGES AND ONE CLUBHOUSE AS WELL. SO I'M NOT GONNA GO, I HAVE A BUNCH OF SLIDES RELATING TO, UM, THE FLOOR PLANS, THE ARCHITECTURE AND THE ROOF PLAN FOR EACH BUILDING. I'M NOT GONNA GO THROUGH EACH, THESE ARE GONNA BE FOR US TO REFERENCE, BUT I JUST WANT YOU TO BE AWARE THAT I DO HAVE THEM ALL. I HAVE A TON OF SLIDES, SO I'M GONNA GO THROUGH THEM VERY QUICKLY. ON THIS PARTICULAR ONE I HAVE IDENTIFIED, UH, ON THE ROOF PLAN, UM, THAT THERE ARE SOME PITCHES THAT ARE A LITTLE BIT LOWER THAN IS PERMITTED BY ORDINANCE. AND I DID OVERLOOK THAT IN MY REVIEW. I WANT YOU TO BE AWARE OF THAT. UM, HERE'S APARTMENT A TWO. WE ARE MISSING A COUPLE OF THE FRONT AND SIDE FOR THE BUILDING. A TWO, I DON'T HAVE A SECOND FLOOR PLAN FOR, UH, THE A TWO BUILDING THERE. THIS IS BUILDING B. AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE A BUILDING C AS WELL, AGAIN, ON THIS PARTICULAR ROOF PLAN FOR BUILDING C. WE HAVE SOME, UH, ROOF PITCHES THAT ARE LOWER THAN IS PERMITTED BY ORDINANCE. UH, HERE IS THE ARCHITECTURAL PLAN FOR THE CLUBHOUSE AT THE FLOOR PLAN. UM, IDENTIFICATION OF AN AREA THAT I THINK WE'LL NEED TO TALK ABOUT, UM, WITH REGARD TO THE ROOF LINE. AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE ARCHITECTURAL PLANS FOR THE PARKING GARAGES AS WELL, INCLUDING THE ROOF PLAN, DOOR AND WINDOW ELEVATIONS. I DO HAVE SOME COLOR RENDERINGS AS WELL OF JUST THE CLUBHOUSE AND OF BUILDING A AND I'VE GOT SOME SECTIONS AS WELL. UM, LET ME, UM, SORRY THERE'S SO MANY SLIDES HERE. IT'S KIND OF HARD TO KNOW WHERE TO KIND OF JUMP IN ON THIS. UM, DUMPSTER ENCLOSURES, MECHANICAL DETAILS. WE'LL NEED TO TALK ABOUT HVAC, UM, PLACEMENT ON THE ROOF. THERE IS SOME CONCERN WITH THAT. UM, AS IT RELATES TO VISIBILITY, UM, FROM THE HIGHWAY AND THEN THE LANDSCAPE PLAN, UM, DAN WILL TALK ABOUT THAT, UH, IN JUST A MOMENT. AND THEN THE LIGHTING IS AS WELL. UM, I DO WANNA INDICATE THAT THE LIGHTING, UM, THE PHOTOMETRIC PLAN THAT WAS PRESENTED WAS FINE. WE DID ASK FOR SOME ADDITIONAL INFORMATION REGARDING THE VARIOUS LIGHT FIXTURES. I DID RECEIVE ONE WITH THE SUBMITTAL AND THE APPLICANT PROVIDED THE REST OF THE FIXTURES TODAY. SO WE, UM, THERE IS NO CONCERN WITH THAT. UM, GOING BACK THROUGH, UM, THE COMMENTS FROM STAFF, WE DIDN'T [00:05:01] HAVE TOO MANY, UM, BUT I DO WANT TO TALK ABOUT THEM, UH, IN JUST MORE DETAIL IN JUST A MOMENT. UM, AS YOU KNOW, THERE ARE SEVERAL REVIEW CRITERIA THAT HAVE TO BE APPLIED IN THE REVIEW PROCESS IN YOUR DECISION MAKING. AND I HAVE PROVIDED THE MAYOR, UM, THIS, UH, PARTICULAR APPLICATION WOULD NEED TO COMPLY WITH THE DESIGN STANDARD REQUIREMENTS OF THE UDO AND BE IN CONFORMANCE WITH THE BUCK WALTER DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, THE PUD CONCEPT PLANS, THE MASTER PLAN, THE SUBDIVISION, AND ANY OTHER AGREEMENTS THAT THERE MAY BE. AND ALSO CONSISTENT WITH THE APPLICATIONS MANUAL. UM, THE VARIOUS ACTIONS OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION INCLUDE APPROVING THE PLAN, UM, AS SUBMITTED, UH, BY THE APPLICANT APPROVING IT WITH CONDITIONS OR DENYING THE APPLICATION. SO I WANNA GO THROUGH MY, UM, RECOMMENDATIONS AND THEN WE CAN KIND OF BACK INTO, UH, THE PLAN AS WELL. SO THERE WAS, UM, A LITTLE BIT OF A CONCERN REGARDING THE GROUND FLOOR OF EACH APARTMENT BUILDING. UM, WHEN THEY, THE PLAN WAS INITIALLY SUBMITTED, THE, UM, THE FRONT OF THE BUILDINGS HAD BRICK GOING ALL THE WAY UP TO THE SECOND FLOOR AND IN THE REAR AND THE SIDES, UH, OF THE BUILDINGS, THE BRICK ONLY WENT UP HALFWAY. SO THERE NEEDED TO BE CONSISTENCY AND IT WAS STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION THAT THE BRICK EXTEND ALL THE WAY TO THE SECOND FLOOR. UM, THE SECOND, UH, RECOMMENDATION THAT WE HAVE, UM, AFTER RECONSIDERATION OF THIS, AFTER LOOKING AT THE PLANS TODAY, UM, WE FELT LIKE THE LONG REAR ELEVATIONS OF EACH APARTMENT BUILDING WERE ARTICULATED ENOUGH THAT WE FEEL LIKE THIS PARTICULAR, UM, RECOMMENDATION IS NO LONGER NECESSARY. UM, AS I INDICATED PREVIOUSLY THAT ROOFTOP MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT, UM, IS A LITTLE BIT OF A CONCERN AND OUR RECOMMENDATION IS THAT, UH, IT NOT BE ALLOWED TO EXTEND BEYOND THE PARAPET WALL, THAT IT BE COMPLETELY SCREENED. AND IF IT SHOULD BE CONSTRUCTED AND, UH, BE VISIBLE, THEN THAT COULD, UM, BE A REASON TO, UM, POTENTIALLY HALT CONSTRUCTION. UM, THE OTHER DETERMINATION IS ONE THAT COMES UP OFTEN RELATING TO LIGHTING. UH, WE DON'T, UM, FORTUNATELY THE REGULATIONS WERE DEVELOPED PRIOR TO LED LIGHTING, SO IT'S NOT A PERMITTED LIGHTING TYPE. AND SO PLANNING COMMISSION WOULD NEED TO MAKE A DETERMINATION THAT THE LED LIGHTING AS PROPOSED, UM, IS APPROPRIATE. AND THE NAME OF THE DEVELOPMENT WE HAVE LEARNED IS OTT BLUFFS. SO NOT ONE BLUFF, IT'S MULTIPLE. SO I WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE HAD THAT CORRECT GOING FORWARD. WE DO NOT NEED A LETTER FROM THE DECLARANT, THAT'S FINE. SO I HAVE CROSSED THAT OUT. NUMBER SIX. UM, ANY COMMENTS THAT ARE OUTSTANDING WOULD NEED TO BE ADDRESSED IN A FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN, AND THAT PLAN WOULD HAVE TO BE, UH, APPROVED PRIOR TO ISSUING ISSUING THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS. HCO. ANY SIGNAGE FOR THE PROPERTY WOULD, UM, BE THROUGH A SEPARATE SIGN PERMITTING PROCESS. SO LET ME BACK UP. UM, LET ME BACK UP HERE AND GO TO THE, UM, TO THE ELEVATIONS LEADING TO BRICK AND SHOW YOU WHAT THE APPLICANT PROPOSED INSTEAD. AND I CAN, WE CAN TALK ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR ONE, BUILDING C AND AS YOU SEE THERE, THE, UM, THE BRICK IS SHOWN, THIS IS A FRONT ELEVATION. THE BRICK IS ACTUALLY, UM, HALFWAY UP THE FIRST FLOOR, MAYBE NOT QUITE HALFWAY, UM, BUT IT IS NOW CONSISTENT AROUND THE ENTIRETY OF THE BUILDING. YOU CAN SEE THE REAR LOOKS EXACTLY LIKE THE FRONT AND THEN THE SIDES AS WELL. AND AGAIN, PREVIOUSLY THERE WAS SOME CON INCONSISTENCY REGARDING THE HEIGHT. UM, LET ME TALK ABOUT THE, AND AS YOU CAN SEE HERE ON THE ROOF PLAN, AND THIS IS SIMILAR TO THE OTHER BUILDING TYPES THAT WE HAVE THE HVAC EQUIPMENT LOCATED ON TOP OF THE ROOF INSTEAD OF ON THE GROUND. AND SHOW YOU SOME SECTIONS HERE. SORRY, GOT QUITE A FEW SLIDES REGARD THE MECHANICAL DETAILS. AS YOU CAN SEE THERE, THE, UH, THE HVACS, THE, THE, UH, EQUIPMENT IS LOCATED HERE AT ON A PLATFORM AND WOULD BE SCREENED BY A PARAPET WALL. IT WOULD NOT BE VISIBLE FROM STANDING IF YOU WERE AT THE GROUND LOOKING UP, THAT EQUIPMENT WOULD NOT BE VISIBLE. AND I UNDERSTAND THERE MAY BE SOME CONCERN LOOKING AT IT FROM A SIDE VIEW. UM, AS YOU'RE DRIVING DOWN ONE 70, UM, THAT FRONT AREA WILL BE, UM, BUFFERED. OF COURSE IT'S GONNA TAKE A LITTLE WHILE [00:10:01] FOR THAT, UH, VEGETATION TO GROW. AND, UM, SO THAT'S SOMETHING I THINK WE PROBABLY NEED TO TALK ABOUT IN SOME FURTHER DETAIL. AND WHILE I MENTIONED BUFFER, LET ME UM, GO TO THE LANDSCAPE PLAN TOO. I'M SORRY, I'M KIND OF BOUNCING AROUND HERE A LITTLE BIT TONIGHT. LET ME HAVE DAN TALK ABOUT DAN. OKAY, CHARLOTTE JUST WENT OVER THE ARCHITECTURE FROM THE LIGHTING. THE THIRD THING THAT'S REVIEWED FOR THE COPA IS THE LANDSCAPE PLAN. WE WORK CLOSELY WITH THE APPLICANT AND, AND, UH, WHITMER JONES KEEFER ON THE LANDSCAPE PLAN. UH, THERE WAS, THERE WAS A, UH, ACTUALLY OVER THE ENTIRE SITE, ONLY TWO TREES WERE IN EXCESS OF 24 INCHES. SO WHEN YOU DRIVE BY AND YOU LOOK AND IT LOOKS COMPLETELY, THERE WAS LOTS OF TREES ON SITE. ONLY TWO HAD HAD REACHED 24 INCHES. UM, THE, WHAT WHAT WE WORKED, WORKED WITH THEM ON WAS ONE OF THE REQUESTS WAS FOR, UH, THE REQUIREMENT IS 15 TREES PER ACRE. THE SUBDIVISION HAD BEEN, UH, THE SUBJECT PARCEL WHERE THE PROPERTIES ARE ON NOW, IT'S BEEN SUBDIVIDED. THE, THE APPLICANT IS THE OWNER OF THE PARCEL. IT COMES OUT TO 16.04 ACRES FOR THE SUBJECT PROPERTY. UM, 86 TREES REMAIN ON SITE AND WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING IN THEIR LANDSCAPE PLAN IS 31 TREES AT TWO AND A HALF INCHES CALIPER. AND THOSE ARE COUNTED AS ONE TO ONE. SO 31 TREES THERE. AND THEN 110 TREES WOULD BE CALCULATED AT FOUR INCH CALIPER. AND THAT'S THE TABLE THAT'S ON THE LANDSCAPE PLAN THAT'S IN YOUR PACKET. SO WHEN YOU ADD ALL THAT UP, IT'S 86 TREES REMAINING, PLUS 31 TREES AT ONE TO ONE TWO AND A HALF INCH CALIPER. AND THEN THE 110 TREES AT FOUR INCH COUNT, TWO TO ONE. SO THAT'S 220 86, 2 20 31 ADDS UP TO 337 TREES, UH, OVER 16 ACRES WORKS OUT TO 21 TREES PER ACRE. SO THEY'RE WELL IN EXCESS OF THE 15 TREES PER ACRE. AND WE DID WORK CLOSELY WITH THEM BACK AND FORTH. A LOT OF THE PLANTINGS ARE UP IN THE FRONT BUFFER. CHARLIE, CHARLIE, UH, WHITMORE CALLED THAT OUT. UM, THE, UH, WE DEFINITELY, WE DEFINITELY, UM, HAD ENOUGH BACK AND FORTH AND THEY SATISFIED STAFF THAT THEY'RE PROVIDING THE, THE REQUIREMENT OF SECTION 5, 3 3 OF 15 TREES PER ACRE. AND, UH, THE APPLICANT CAN RESPOND TO ANYTHING ON THAT WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU GUYS GET TO IT. I DON'T KNOW IF, WHEN YOU WANTING TO GO BACK TO ARCHITECTURE OR DID YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS SPECIFIC WITH THE LANDSCAPE PLAN? LET, LET ME JUST MAKE A COMMENT ON THAT. THE, THE CLARIFYING FACTOR IS, UM, GIMME THE CODE AGAIN, DAN. 15 15 15 TREES PER ACRE WHEN YOU'RE ABOVE ONE ACRE AND OKAY. THE, THE, THE INTENT OF THE BUFFER NOT BEING ABLE TO USE TREES IN THE BUFFER IS IF THERE ARE EXISTING TREES THERE. THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY DOES NOT HAVE SIGNIFICANT EXISTING TREES IN THE BUFFER. SO PUTTING TREES IN THE BUFFER IS DIFFERENT THAN LEAVING TREES IN THE BUFFER. YES. JUST SO WE HAVE CLARIFICATION FOR FUTURE PROJECTS. THAT'S CORRECT. THANK YOU. ANYBODY ELSE HAVE A QUESTION FOR DAN OR CHARLOTTE? DID YOU WANNA SAY ANYTHING ELSE OR I CAN OPEN IT UP TO THE APPLICANT IF YOU'RE, I'M DONE. IF WE'RE DONE THE APPLICANT'S HERE. IF YOU GUYS NEED APPLICANT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK. COME ON UP. GOOD EVENING. UH, NAME ADDRESS, IS IT? YEAH, ADRIAN DANA MILLER, UH, WITH MILLSTONE. UM, WE ARE THE OWNER AND DEVELOPER. UH, AND THEN, UH, ALSO WITH ME HERE, I HAVE T PLAYER FROM PARKS PLAYER WHO'S OUR ARCHITECT AND I HAVE CALEB AND BRIAN FROM WHITMER JONES KEEPER. AND WE'RE JUST HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE TONIGHT AND, UH, HOLD, HOLD ANY DISCUSSION WITH YOU ABOUT, ABOUT ANYTHING WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT ABOUT OUR APPLICATION. SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU. I WILL JUST ONE COMMENT BEFORE YOU GO AWAY. UM, WHEN, WHEN YOU CAME TO DRC FOR THE HCOD TO KIND OF GET A, UM, A FEEL FOR THIS AND IT WAS MADE VERY CLEAR TO YOU THAT, UM, WE AREN'T MESSING AROUND WITH THE TREE REQUIREMENT, UH, I APPRECIATE THAT Y'ALL PAID ATTENTION TO IT. YEP. SO JUST SAYING THANK YOU FOR THAT ASPECT OF IT. YOU'RE PROBABLY GONNA GET BEAT UP A LITTLE BIT ON THE ARCHITECTURAL IN A MINUTE. JUST KEEP IN MIND WE APPRECIATE WHAT YOU'VE DONE SO FAR. YEAH, WELL THANK YOU VERY MUCH. YEAH. AND WE APPRECIATE STAFF WORKING WITH US TO, TO FIGURE THAT OUT AND FIGURE OUT A WAY THAT WE CAN MAKE IT ALL WORK. SO. ALRIGHT, I'LL, I'LL STAY UP HERE AND, AND IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS, [00:15:01] UM, AND IF ANYTHING GETS EFFICIENTLY TECHNICAL, I MIGHT CALL IN THE REINFORCEMENTS BACK HERE. THAT'S FINE. OKAY. UM, I DON'T KNOW HOW WE WANNA START OR OPEN IT UP, BUT I KNOW THAT THERE WERE SEVERAL US THAT HAD CERTAIN CONCERNS, UM, SOME OF THE ARCHITECTURAL THINGS. UM, AND IF YOU WANT TO GO TO SOME OF THE ELEVATIONS JUST SO WE CAN KIND OF TALK 'EM THROUGH. I JUST, AND THERE'S NO PARTICULAR ORDER 'CAUSE I THINK IT'S JUST, YEAH, SO , I I'M NOT REALLY SURE WHICH ONE TO GO TO. YEAH. IS THERE SOMETHING IN, WE CAN START WITH THE CLUBHOUSE. OKAY, THAT'S FINE. THE CLUBHOUSE. OKAY. OKAY. BE BEFORE WE GET INTO SPECIFICS, THE OVERALL WITH HIGHWAY CORRIDOR OVERLAY DISTRICT IS WE ARE TASKED WITH MAKING SURE THAT THE PROJECT, ALL OF THE BUILDINGS IN THE PROJECT AS THEY PRESENT TO THAT MAIN CORRIDOR APPEAR TO BE THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING WHETHER THEY ARE OR NOT. AND SO THAT'S PART OF WHAT YOU'RE GONNA HEAR. THE OTHER IS A ROOF PITCH ISSUE, I THINK. UH, YES. BUT ANYWAYS, SO I THINK THAT THE FRONT ELEVATION, UM, IS THE ONE 70 ELEVATION. YEAH, THE ONE ON TOP. RIGHT. UM, WE HAD CONCERNS WITH THE MATERIALS AND THIS KIND OF GOES FOR ALL THE, THE BUILDINGS WITH THE BOARD AND BAT AND SPACING AS FAR AS, UM, IT SEEMS A LITTLE WIDE MM-HMM. AND THAT MAKES ME THINK IT'S JUST A BIG SHEET OF HARDY PANEL AND YOU'RE JUST PUTTING STRIPS UP INSTEAD OF ACTUALLY LIKE CUTTING THE PANELS TO MAKE A PROPER SIZING. MM-HMM. . SO I THINK THAT YEAH, YOU NEED TO LOOK AT THAT. OKAY. UM, YEAH, SO WE CAN MAKE IT ANY WIDTH, YOU KNOW. UM, WHAT WE HAD PREVIOUSLY WAS, I THINK WE HAD IT WIDER AT 24 INCHES. I WAS TALKING WITH T ABOUT IT BEFORE. SO WE REDUCED IT DOWN TO 16 INCHES, LIKE STUD SPACING PROBABLY ABOUT THIS WIDE. UM, WE KIND OF LIKE THE WIDE FORMAT, UM, LIKE BOARD AND BATTEN LOOK, UM, AND, AND THOUGHT THAT IT LOOKED GOOD. IT IS SOMETHING THAT'S VERY FLEXIBLE, RIGHT. YOU CAN KIND OF MAKE THOSE PANELS ANY SIZE. UM, SO IF WE WANTED TO DO 12 INCH, LET'S SAY THAT THAT IS AN OPTION, MY OPINION IS, IS I WOULD GO DOWN A SIZE, UM, JUST BECAUSE OF THE SPAN OF ALL OF THE BUILDINGS. UM, I DUNNO IF ANYBODY ELSE HAD AN OPINION ABOUT THAT. I AGREE. UM, IS THE, IS THE RESULT THAT IT WILL MAKE IT NOT LOOK AS LONG, IT'LL KIND OF TIGHTEN IT UP IN THE WHY? YEAH. MM-HMM. ELONGATED A LITTLE BIT. OKAY. OUR MAJOR CONCERNS IS NOT HAVING A LONG EXPANSIVE MASS MM-HMM. . YEAH. BREAKING IT UP VISUALLY MAYBE. UM, SO THAT'S AGREEABLE TO US. AND THAT WOULD BE FOR ALL BUILDINGS SO THEY ALL MATCH. YEAH. UM, THE OTHER THING IS ON THE REAR, I'M NOT, I THINK I KNOW WHY YOU DID IT, BUT I DON'T THINK YOU NEED TO DO IT. UM, THAT CLIP IN THE ROOF HMM. , IS THERE A REASON WHY SPECIFIC THAT IT NEEDS TO BE THAT WAY? YES. UM, T DO YOU, DO YOU KNOW IF THERE'S A SPECIFIC REASON WHY WE DID THAT? I, I REMEMBER REMEMBER IT BEING APPOINTED MIC DISCUSSION IF STEP YEAH. COME ON, COME ON UP. SAY AGAIN. I'M A T PLAYER WITH PARKS PLAYER ARCHITECTURE. UH, THE REAL REASON WAS JUST TO CREATE MORE OF A, JUST TO GET MORE SUN, MORE OR LESS TO MAKE IT MORE OPEN. DROPPING IT DOWN TO THE SAME HEIGHT AS THE, UH, FASCIA GOING ALL THE WAY AROUND THE BUILDING IS NOT A PROBLEM. WHERE, WHERE DO YOU LIVE? UH, GREENVILLE, SOUTH CAROLINA. YEAH. IT'S A LITTLE WARM HERE SOMETIMES. WELL YOU, IT'S WARM IN GREENVILLE TOO. YOU SURE YOU WANT MORE SUN? SORRY. I MEAN MY OPINION WOULD BE TO DROP IT DOWN EITHER EVEN WITH, OR THIS WOULD BE THE OPPORTUNITY. YOU COULD CREATE A DORMER WITH LIKE BRACKETS OR SOMETHING, UM, TO HIGHLIGHT THE MIDDLE. BUT THAT'S MY OPINION. UM, I THINK FROM A DESIGN STANDPOINT, OUR PREFERENCE WOULD BE JUST TO DROP IT DOWN. BUT WE'RE OPEN TO ANY SUGGESTIONS IF, IF YOU GUYS ARE RECOMMENDING SOMETHING ELSE AS WELL. DOES ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANY COMMENTS? 'CAUSE THAT WAS ONE OF THE TOWN'S HIGHLIGHTED AREAS AS WELL. YEAH. SO I'M, I'M GOOD WITH THAT TOO. AND THEN, UM, SO WILL THESE BECOME KIND OF LIKE THE COMMENTS OR THE CONDITIONS IF, IF WE ARE APPROVED THAT WILL LIKE AC COMPANY ARE APPROVED? YES. JUST DEPENDS ON, AND WE'LL MAKE THE ADJUSTMENTS. IT DEPENDS ON HOW MUCH MM-HMM. LIKE, I DON'T WANNA GET INTO A SITUATION WHERE WE'RE HAVING LIKE A LIST OF 10 OR MORE ITEMS MM-HMM. BECAUSE WE WON'T HAVE ANYTHING LIKE WE NEED TO SEE THE RESULT. WELL I'M, I'M, I'M, GO AHEAD. I WAS GONNA SAY, I, I'M, THIS MIGHT MAKE IT A LITTLE BIT EASIER, UM, WITH SOME OF THE STUFF WE'RE ABOUT TO GET INTO. I, I WOULD ASSUME THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS HAVE SOME OF THE WE HAVE ABOUT THE SIDE OF THE GARAGE, THE SIDE OF A COUPLE OF THE MAJOR APARTMENT BUILDINGS. MM-HMM. . I'M GONNA WANT TO SEE THE REVISIONS. MM-HMM. THIS IS NOT [00:20:01] SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE GOT ELECTRICAL PANELS, YOU'VE GOT SOME OTHER THINGS. I, I THINK I, I HATE TO TELL YOU THIS, UH, COMING INTO CHRISTMAS, BUT THE LIST IS PROBABLY GONNA BE NOT EXHAUSTIVE, BUT IT'S GONNA BE A LITTLE BIT LONGER THAN DO THESE THREE THINGS AND YEAH. BECAUSE THERE'S ALSO, AS CHARLOTTE POINTED OUT, MISSING ELEVATIONS OR PAGES OR SOMETHING. SO, UM, WE DON'T HAVE A WAY TO REVIEW THAT. WELL, WE SHOULD GO THROUGH THE AND MAKE SURE THEY KNOW WHAT OUR CONCERNS ARE. WELL, YEAH. AND THAT, I MEAN, CHARLOTTE HAD THEM WRITTEN ON HER SLIDESHOW, THE, IN THE RED TOPIC. OKAY. WELL, UM, THAT SOUNDS SO WE'RE IN A AGREE. I HEAR YOU GUYS FOR, I WAS HOPING YOU ONLY HEARD ONE OF US. THE OTHERS HAVEN'T SPOKEN TO THAT. I WAS HOPING THAT THE, THE DRC PROCESS AND I, I THOUGHT WE ADDRESSED ALL OR NEARLY ALL OF THE COMMENTS THAT WE GOT DURING DRC. UM, SO I WAS HOPING THAT THAT WOULD LEAD TO A SHORTER LIST, WHICH WOULD, WHICH WOULD ALLOW US TO, UH, YOU KNOW, NOT HAVE TO WAIT A MONTH FOR ANOTHER PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING, BUT LET'S GO THROUGH THE LIST AND TALK ABOUT THE THINGS AND SEE WHERE WE LAND. OKAY. UM, CHARLOTTE, DID YOU HAVE A, A LIST OR IS IT JUST ON EACH SLIDE THAT YOU HAVE? THE RED? UM, YEAH, WELL, YEAH, YEAH, PUT IT TOGETHER. I'M TRYING TO REMEMBER LIKE ALL THE, SO THE FOUR 12 PITCH IN THE UDO IS A REQUIREMENT, SO I'M JUST NOT SURE HOW SOME OF THOSE FOUR TWELVES WILL THREE TWELVES OR THREE TWELVES CHANGING TO FOUR 12 ON A FIVE 12 ROOF IS GONNA WORK LEADING UP TO THE DORMERS ON THIS PARTICULAR PAGE. AN ELEVATION OF THIS BUILDING SPECIFICALLY. AND IF THE OTHERS ARE JUST LIKE IT, SO IT, IT, IT WOULD BE THE SAME COMMENT AS DO YOU NEED THE DORMERS AND WHAT ARE THEY FOR? BECAUSE IF YOU DON'T NEED THEM, DON'T PUT THEM. I KNOW THAT Y'ALL MADE A COMMENT AT THE URC OR AT SOME POINT AND SAID, WELL THAT WAS LOW COUNTRY ARCHITECTURE. THAT'S NOT WHAT MAKES LOW COUNTRY ARCHITECTURE. SO I THINK YOU CAN REMOVE THEM. I THINK THEY'RE A DETRIMENT TO THE DESIGN CURRENTLY. YEAH. UM, THAT'S, THAT'S FINE IF THAT'S, IF THAT'S WHAT WE NEED TO DO, WE CAN REMOVE THEM. THEY ARE JUST PURELY ORNAMENTAL ESSENTIALLY. SO I DON'T THINK THAT THEY'RE DOING ANYTHING FOR YOU. LIKE, WHEREAS ON THE CLUBHOUSE WHEN YOU HAD THAT MIDDLE PIECE WHEN I WAS SAYING THAT'S WHERE YOU COULD ACTUALLY MAKE A REAL DORMER. MM-HMM. THESE ARE JUST KIND OF APPLIED. MM-HMM. . AND SO, UM, A LITTLE BIT ODD TO BE HONEST WITH THE COLUMN SPACING. LIKE YOU WOULDN'T TYPICALLY EVER HAVE 'EM CENTER COLUMN THAT'S CENTERED ON A DORM WHERE YOU WOULDN'T HAVE THE DORMER WALLS EXTEND BEYOND THE COLUMNS. AND TYPICALLY THE DORMER WOULD PROVIDE A PURPOSE, WHETHER IT'S DAYLIGHT OR SOMETHING MORE DECORATIVE THIS OR A CEILING CHANGE OR SOMETHING RELATED. YEAH. AND IT'S ALMOST, IT'S ALMOST LIKE NOT REALLY EVEN A DORMER, IT'S JUST LIKE A WAY TO TAKE A SECTION OF THE ROOF THAT'S KIND OF A BIG SECTION AND JUST ADD SOMETHING IN THERE THAT BREAKS IT UP A LITTLE BIT. WHICH WE THOUGHT MIGHT BE GOOD, BUT IF IT'S NOT WELL RECEIVED, IT'S JUST YEAH. YEAH. I MEAN THE DORMER, LIKE SHE SAID, HAS TO SERVE A PURPOSE, AN INTENT. IT CAN'T JUST BE APPLIED. OKAY. UM, GOT IT. SO I THINK FROM THE STANDPOINT OF THE THREE AND 12 ROOFS, IF WE'RE GONNA GET RID OF THAT ONE, THEN OB THAT OBVIOUSLY RESOLVES THAT PROBLEM IN THE OTHER THREE AND 12 PITCH ROOFS THAT CAN EASILY GO UP TO A FOUR AND 12 AND IT'S REALLY NOT GONNA CHANGE ANYTHING. WHERE ELSE WERE THE THREE AND TWELVES AT, I KNOW THEY WERE THE DORMERS, BUT WHERE ELSE? JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE NOT ON A FIVE. 'CAUSE I THINK IT WOULD BE A FOUR AND 12 AND TO A FIVE AND 1210 UP REALLY, REALLY HIGH UP ON THE ROOF. SEE, UH, CHARLOTTE, I BELIEVE IT WAS BUILDING A ROOF PLAN. I SAY THERE'S ONE ROOF PLAN THAT HAS ABOUT FIVE OR SIX OF THEM ON IT. UH, RIGHT THERE, THERE. SO THE, THE YELLOW HIGHLIGHT, THE ONE ON THE BOTTOM WILL GO AWAY. UH, THE ONE ON THE, THE ONE ON THE BACK SIDE OF THE, THE REAR, THOSE ARE ALL ON THE REAR. UH, CHANGING THAT TO A FOUR 12. NOW LET ME, LET ME ASK THIS THEN, NOW THAT I'M LOOKING AT IT LIKE THAT, THAT THREE 12, IS THAT JUST A CRICKET? THAT IS EXACTLY RIGHT. SO I MEAN, THAT'S NOT A ROOF, THAT'S A CRICKET, SO THAT'S FINE. OKAY. I WOULD, I, MY OPINION IS I THINK A CRICKET WOULD BE FINE, BUT I'M WHAT ABOUT THE THREE AND 12 AFTER THAT FIVE AND 12? SO CHARLOTTE, DO YOU MIND OR I CAN OPERATE IT. YEAH, PLEASE. DO I USE THIS? YES. WE JUST HAVE TO MAKE SURE WE'RE DOING, UM, BEING CONSISTENT WITH THE UDO BECAUSE WE'VE HAD OTHER APPLICANTS, UM, YEAH, I UNDERSTAND HAVE THREE 12 PITCHES. AND IN THE UDO IT CLEARLY STATES IT HAS TO BE FOUR 12. SO WE JUST HAVE TO MAKE SURE AND JUSTIFY EVERYTHING. SO ON THIS BUILDING RIGHT HERE, YOU SEE IN THE VERY MIDDLE WHERE THE ROOF IS, THERE'S A LINE THAT GOES LEFT TO RIGHT THAT IS UNDERNEATH KIND OF THE VERTICAL WALL. OH, I SEE. IT'S JUST GOING TO RAISE THAT LINE UP PROBABLY ABOUT A FOOT. YEAH, THAT'S FINE. LIDDY, DO YOU HAVE THOUGHTS ON THE, JUST SIMPLY IT'D JUST BE ONE THING THAT'S GOOD TO SEE BECAUSE IT'S NOT, YOU'RE MAKING IT ALMOST THE SAME SLOPE AS THE MAIN [00:25:01] ROOF. SO I DON'T KNOW THAT IT'S ONLY GONNA COME UP A FOOT. IT'D JUST BE GOOD TO SEE WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE AND IF IT CHANGES ANYTHING, HOPEFULLY IN THAT LOCATION IT SHOULDN'T BE IS THE CRICKET PERFECT PARTICULAR TO THE, TO THE GABLES? SO THE CRICKETS, SO YOU SEE THE GABLES THERE, YOU CAN SEE A LITTLE LINE IN BETWEEN WHERE THEY, WHERE THEY CONNECT, THAT'S WHERE THE CRICKET IS RIGHT THERE. SO I'M NOT CONCERNED SO MUCH ON THE SIDE. CRICKETS. IT'S MORE THE ONE THAT'S CENTERED IN THE MIDDLE. MM-HMM. . UH, AND THE REASON WE DO THIS IS JUST FROM A ROOF OVERHANG STANDPOINT. UM, TRYING TO THINK THE BEST WAY TO EXPLAIN THIS. UM, IN ORDER TO MATCH THE ROOF PITCHES WHERE THEY COME OUT ON THE LEFT, FAR LEFT AND THE RIGHT, UH, THE, THE, THE MIDDLE AREA IS A LITTLE BIT, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, FURTHER OUT. SO YOU HAVE TO DO A DIFFERENT PITCHED ROOF IN ORDER TO MATCH THAT. SO THAT'S, BUT YOU DON'T HAVE TO HAVE THOSE TWO EAVES MATCH. THEY'RE NOT TOUCHING EACH OTHER. I DON'T THINK THE EAVES DO MATCH. IS THAT WHAT YOU WERE TRYING TO NO, IT'S JUST FROM A ROOF DESIGN STANDPOINT AND HOW TRUSSES ARE MADE, UM, YOU, YOU HAVE TO HAVE SOME DIFFERENT PITCH RIGHT THERE. YOU CANNOT CONTINUE THE SAME PITCH ALL THE WAY DOWN. NO, I, I UNDERSTAND THAT. I THOUGHT YOU WERE TRYING TO ALIGN IT WITH THE SAME EVE AS THE OTHER PIECE. NO, NO, NO WORK. I'M JUST SAYING IS THAT LINE IN ORDER FROM GOING FROM A THREE AND 12 TO A FOUR AND 12, IT'S JUST GONNA RAISE THAT UP JUST A VERY SMALL AMOUNT. OKAY. YEAH. AND THE ROOF'S A SIX, IS THE REST OF THE, THE ROOF PITCH A SIX AND 12 OR IS THERE ARE SOME SOMEWHERE THAT ARE FIVE? THE UH, GO BACK TO THAT OTHER ONE. THE CABLE TICKETS. UH, LET'S SEE. SEE IF I CAN FIND BACK WHERE I WAS. OH YOU LOST? YEAH. OKAY. THIS CLUBHOUSE. YEAH, THAT'S WHY IS EVERY, NOPE. WHAT'S THAT? THERE'S FIVES ON THESE SO WE'RE NOT CONSISTENT WITH OUR HITCHES. WELL YOU JUST PASSED IT. WHICH 1:00 AM I WHERE WE ON? RIGHT. UH, RIGHT BACK TO WHERE YOU WERE WITH THE YELLOW WAS. NO, THAT'S PLAN A TECHNICALLY. OKAY. WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. THERE YOU GO. SO WE GOT FIVE AND TWELVES COMING DOWN ON THE FRONT. UH, THE GABLES ARE SIX AND 12, JUST AS IN AS THE SAME AS THE ENDS OF THE BUILDING. SO PRETTY MUCH ANY APARTMENT PROJECT YOU'RE GONNA SEE, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE DIFFERENT PITCHED ROOFS GOING FRONT TO BACK SIDE. WHAT DO THEY DO THAT SIDE TO SIDE? UH, IT JUST, WHY DO YOU DO THAT? YEAH, UM, WELL THE GABLES ARE GOING DOWN LIKE THAT, SO THE SIDES SHOULD MATCH THAT. SO I THINK, UH, MY OPINION WOULD BE ONE OF THE REASONS YOU DO THAT IS BECAUSE THE, THE DISTANCE ON THE, ON THE FIVE AND 12 ROOF, THAT THE HIGHER PITCH YOU DO ON THAT, IT REALLY CLIMBS LIKE REALLY HIGH END OF THE AIR AND IT JUST LOOKS LIKE A MASSIVE ROOF. OKAY. SO THAT WOULD BE LIKE A REASON TO LOWER THE PITCH ON THAT, IN THAT DIRECTION A LITTLE BIT SO THAT THE BUILDING DOESN'T LOOK LIKE IT'S HALF BUILDING AND HALF ROOF AND IT'S JUST A DESIGN STANDPOINT. IF YOU KEEP THE SAME PITCH EVERYWHERE, UH, IT JUST, THE GABLES, IF YOU DROP THOSE DOWN, WE FEEL LIKE THEY'RE NOT GOING TO UH, REALLY MEET THE INTENT OF THE CODE. UM, AND IF YOU DO A SIX AND 12 EVERYWHERE, AS ADRIAN SAID, IT'S JUST GONNA RAISE THAT WHOLE ROOF UP. JUST LOOKING AT THIS THOUGH, A THREE AND 12 INTO A FIVE AND 12 AND EVEN A SIX AND 12, BUT ESPECIALLY GOING FROM A THREE TO A FOUR INTO A FIVE, THAT IS NOT A SMALL RAISING . THOSE ARE ALMOST THE SAME PITCH. SO THEY'RE ALMOST PARALLEL. THAT ROOF IS GONNA COME UP QUITE A BIT AND I'M NOT SURE IT'S GONNA BE A PROBLEM, BUT IT IS SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD NEED TO SEE. MM-HMM. . SO, BUT WE'RE GONNA ELIMINATE THE DORMER ONES. YEAH, BUT THERE'S STILL THE ONE ON THE REAR THAT HAS TO BE A FOUR AND IT'S GOING INTO A FIVE. GOTCHA. SO SHE'S JUST SAYING WE WOULD LIKE TO VISUALLY SEE WHERE THAT HITS BECAUSE THOSE TWO ROOFS ARE BASICALLY ALMOST PARALLEL. MM-HMM. . SO THAT MEANS IT'S GONNA RISE UP AROUND THE SAME TIME. WHY ISN'T THAT JUST A FIVE 12? ALL THE WAY, LIKE THE OTHER ELEMENTS ON THAT SIDE OF THE ROOF? JUST THE ROOF WHERE THE UM, YOU SEE WHAT I'M SAYING? OH, I DO THE ENDS. THE ENDS ARE FIVE TWO AND THEN THE ROOF IS LONGER WHERE THAT OCCURS BASICALLY. SO YOU CAN'T CONTINUE THAT FIVE AND 12 ALL THE WAY TO THE SAME OR IT'S GOING TO JUST STOP WAY SHORT OF WHERE WE, THE INTENT OF WHERE IT NEEDS TO GO OUT TO. SO IT HAS TO CHANGE PITCH IN ORDER TO GET OUT TO THE, TO THE EDGE OF THE DECKS MORE OR LESS. LOOK AT THAT HOLE, YOU KNOW, FOUR AND 12 MEANS EVERY, EVERY FOOT YOU'RE GONNA RAISE FOUR INCHES. SO YEAH, US MAKING THAT A FOUR AND 12, IT'S GOING TO RESULT IN A VERY MINOR CHANGE. IT'S NOT THOUGH BECAUSE IT'S SLOPING [00:30:01] INTO A FIVE AND 12, WHICH IS ALMOST PARALLEL TO A FOUR AND 12. SO IT'S NOT A VERY MINOR CHANGE. AND WE'VE SEEN THIS ON SEVERAL PROJECTS AND AMANDA AND I ARE BOTH ARCHITECTS . SO WE'RE VERY FAMILIAR WITH HOW THAT GOES. AND I'M NOT SAYING THAT JUST SWITCHING IT OUT IS GOING TO BE A PROBLEM, BUT IT COULD AESTHETICALLY BE A PROBLEM AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD WANT TO SEE TO MAKE SURE THE SLOPE IS COMPLIANT AND STILL LOOKS APPROPRIATE. FOR THE RECORD, I'M NOT A LICENSED ARCHITECT. ONE IN THREE DON'T GET IN TROUBLE WITH EVERYBODY ONE IN THREE QUARTERS. HOW'S THAT? UM, UM, BUT A QUESTION FOR UH, REALLY I GUESS FOR LYDIA, UM, AS WELL, THAT CENTRAL PIECE THAT GOES FROM A THREE 12 TO A FIVE 12, WHAT IF, WHAT IF THEY MADE IT A FOUR 12 THE WHOLE WAY? RIGHT? I THINK THERE'S PLENTY OF SOLUTIONS. FINE. IT'S JUST THAT BE WE'RE NOT TRYING TO DESIGN THE BUILDING YOU, BUT I MEAN THAT'S, WE JUST HAVE STICK WITHIN WITHOUT IT KIND, YOU KNOW, BE, THERE'S NO REASON TO HAVE THAT FIVE THERE. 'CAUSE THE SIXES BREAK IT, THE CRICKETS ARE FINE, BUT WE NEED TO REWORK THIS SECTION OF THE ROOF 'CAUSE IT'S NOT A CRICKET MM-HMM. SO THAT IT EXCEEDS THREE AND 12. SO WE'LL DO THAT. WE'LL COME UP WITH SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, WE THINK LOOKS GOOD. QUESTION. WERE YOU GUYS AWARE OF THE THREE 12 ISSUE BEFORE? I WAS NOT. HE'S GONNA SAY NO. WHETHER HE WAS , THAT WASN'T SOMETHING THAT WE DISCUSSED AT DRC. SO IT'S JUST, IT'S IN THE SOME, SOME OF THESE THINGS ARE NEW AND THAT'S FINE. WE'LL WE'LL FIX 'EM. THESE ARE THE TYPES OF ADJUSTMENTS THAT WE MAKE ROUTINELY ALL THE TIME. SO THAT'S UM, SO IS SOMEBODY KEEPING TRACK OF THE THINGS? I HAVE NOT. I AM BECAUSE I HAD THE BOARD WITH THE CLUBHOUSE ROOF CUT OUT THE DORMERS WHILE YOU'RE ON, WHILE YOU'RE ON THIS ROOF. YOU TALK ABOUT THAT AND WE'RE LOOKING AT THE AC. YEP. YEAH, GO AHEAD. GOOD. THE BOARD AND BATTEN YOU SEE RIGHT HERE ON THIS ONE. DO YOU THINK THAT, DO YOU THINK THAT'S TOO WIDE? AND THE REASON I ASK IS BECAUSE I KNOW WE CHANGED THAT TO 16 INCHES ON CENTER, THE CLUBHOUSE. I DO NOT RECALL OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD IF WE CHANGED THAT FROM 24 TO 16, THAT LOOKS WIDER. IT ALMOST DOES LOOK WIDER AND I JUST, I DON'T SEE A LOT OF 12 INCHES ON CENTER. I SEE MOSTLY 16 OR 24. AND WE CAN DO WHATEVER YOU GUYS WANT, BUT I A LOT OF JUST NEED KNOW WITH THE ELEVATIONS HERE ON THE APARTMENT BUILDINGS IF YOU GUYS THOUGHT THAT LOOKED APPROPRIATE OR IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT GO DOWN, YOU GOT LOST AGAIN. . WELL, IT JUST ENDED, SO. ALRIGHT EVERYBODY GO HOME. UM, GO BACK TO THE, UM, THE ROOF PLAN OR WELL GO TO THE CUTOUT OF THE AC. THE AC AND THE, UM, DO WE WANT TO FINISH ANSWERING HIS QUESTION? HMM. ABOUT THE BOARD BAT? YEAH. 16 VERSUS 24. WELL, NO, 24. WELL, SO WE KNOW THE 24 IS NOT, BUT I DIDN'T KNOW IF THE APARTMENT BUILDING BOARD IN BATTEN SPACING LOOK OKAY TO YOU GUYS OR IF YOU WANT THAT TYPE. THAT'S THIS ONE RIGHT HERE? THAT'S CORRECT. STILL LOOKS KIND OF WIDE. LET ME ASK, IF WE GO TO THE, UM, ONE OF THE SECTIONS LIKE THROUGH THE STAIRCASE. I WILL, IF YOU COULD GIVE US THE, I DON'T KNOW WHERE THOSE ARE, BUT I THINK THERE, OKAY, WHAT SIZE ARE THOSE DOORS? THOSE DOORS? YEAH. THEY'RE JUST GONNA BE A TYPICAL 80 EDGE TALL THREE FOOT LADDER. SO THEN THAT BOARD AND BATTEN SPACING IS MORE THAN 16 INCHES. SO I IMAGINE , I SHOULD SAY THIS ON THE FRONT ELEVATIONS, WE CHANGED IT TO 16 INCHES ON CENTER ON THE STAIRWELL SECTION. YOU SEE RIGHT HERE IT IS STILL AT 24 INCHES ON CENTER. JUST THINKING OUT LOUD. 24, 20 12. HONESTLY IF YOU GOT 16 PLUS 16, IT'S 32 AND YOU HAVE A THREE FOOT DOOR WITH CASING ON IT. YEAH. . SO I, IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S STILL WIDER ON THIS. I AGREE. SO THAT WAS, UH, SO AS YOU COULD SEE A THEME IS WE NEED SOME UPDATED DRAWINGS TO BE ABLE TO, BUT AGAIN, I, I JUST KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON. ARE WE, IS 16 AGREEABLE OR ARE YOU SAYING I THINK 16 COULD BE AGREEABLE BUT I DON'T BELIEVE ALL YOUR DRAWINGS ARE DRAWN AS 16. RIGHT? I THINK A LOT OF THEM LOOK TOO WIDE. I'M 100% SURE THAT THE ELEVATIONS ON THE FRONT REARS ARE 16 INCHES ON CENTER, ON THE APARTMENT BUILDINGS, BUT NOT THE CLUBHOUSE. WELL HOW WIDE ARE YOUR WINDOWS ROOF? SO THEY'RE NOT 16 , THAT'S THE SIDE. HE SAYING THE SECTIONS ARE WRONG? NO, THE FRONT ELEVATION. THE BUILDINGS, IF THE WINDOWS ARE THREE FEET WIDE, THE CLUBHOUSE, NOT THE CLUBHOUSE. GO TO THE OTHER BUILDING APARTMENT, BUILDING A PICK ANYONE YOU WANT PICK A BUILDING, ANY BUILDING, BIG BUILDING. SO IF THOSE ARE LIKE THE ONES WHERE THEY'RE CENTERED IN THE GABLE END AND YOU CAN SEE YOU'VE GOT, IF THAT'S A THREE FOOT WIDE WINDOW, THOSE ARE NOT 16 INCHES ON CENTER. [00:35:01] ARE YOU SURE? A THREE FOOT WIDE WINDOW? MM-HMM. GOT NEED TO HAVE TO REGRESS. WELL YES, YOU NEED A THREE FOOT WINDOW FOR EGRESS, BUT I'M JUST SAYING I THINK 16 COULD LOOK GOOD. I JUST DON'T BELIEVE THAT THESE DRAWINGS ARE DRAWN TO BE 16 INCHES, WHICH IS PART OF WHY WE'RE STILL HAVING THE REACTION THAT THEY'RE TOO SPREAD APART. I'LL BE ALL RIGHT WITH 16 AND AT THE VERY LEAST IT'S INCONSISTENT BETWEEN BETWEEN THE PAGES SECTION AND THE CLUBHOUSE AND THE BUILDING. ALRIGHT, UH, WELL WE COULD, LET'S MOVE ON FROM THAT. IT SOUNDS LIKE WE NEED TO REVISE IT AND MAKE SURE IT'S ALL CONSISTENT AND CONFIRM ALL THAT. MM-HMM, . OKAY, SO NOW CHARLIE'S THING WAS, ARE WE OKAY TO MOVE TO CHARLIE'S UM, AC UNIT SECTION? CHARLIE, PLEASE. WE DEALT WITH THE ARCHITECTS. NOW YOU GOTTA DEAL WITH THE AC GUY. ALRIGHT, WE'RE NOT DONE . I KNOW. WE'LL GET BACK TO YOU. SHE STILL HAS, BOY, THIS IS A COMMERCIAL BREAK. UM, THIS IS A PAUSE IF GO TO THE, UM, WELL THERE'S, THERE'S YOUR ROOFTOP DRAWING, BUT I'M LOOKING AT THE, THE SECTION. YEP. THE SECTION, THE CUT OUT OF IT. IF ONE TO MY LEFT OTHER THAN CHARLIE HAS ANY COMMENTS, PLEASE FEEL FREE. NO, I SAID 16 ON THE SENATE FOR ME. FINE. I THINK WHY THAT SENSE ONE'S OVER THERE. I LIKE THAT. I'M GOOD AND I'M OKAY WITH 16. LET'S JUST BE OKAY. CLEAR WITH WHAT WE WANT FROM THEM. YOU'RE SHOWING, YOU'RE SHOWING UNITS AT 33 INCHES TALL. YOU'RE SHOWING A PARAPET AT 42 INCHES TALL. ACTUALLY BEFORE I GET INTO THE MEASUREMENTS, THIS IS A CUT OUT. THIS, THIS PARAPET RAILING WILL GO ON THE SIDES AS WELL, CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT. UM, THERE'LL ACTUALLY BE LIKE ROOF ON THE SIDES. THAT SCREEN JUST COME DOWN INTO THE ROOF. YEAH, CORRECT. UM, IT'S NOT TALL ENOUGH AT 42. AND I'M GONNA, I'M GONNA TELL YOU, I'LL TELL YOU WHY IN A MINUTE. I KNOW THAT, BUT UM, YOU DO NOT WANT TO BUILD A 42 INCH WALL AND GO TO PUT THOSE AC UNITS IN AND HAVE THEM VISIBLE BECAUSE THEY WILL SHUT YOU DOWN. THAT IS, THAT IS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT'S VERY, VERY MUCH A NO-NO, WE LET A COUPLE BUILDINGS GET AWAY WITH IT AND IT LOOKS HORRIBLE. UM, YOU HAVE 33 INCH TALL UNITS, LET'S ASSUME THAT'S CORRECT. EVEN THOUGH THE REFRIGERANT'S CHANGING AND DIMENSIONS ARE CHANGING, THEY HAVE TO BE PUT ON AT THE VERY LEAST FOUR BY FOURS ON THE ROOF. THEY WON'T BE SITTING DIRECTLY ON THE ROOF. SO NOW YOU'VE GOT ANOTHER APPROXIMATELY SIX TO EIGHT INCHES. SO YOU'RE TALKING 33 INCHES PLUS EIGHT INCHES, NOW YOU'RE UP TO 41 INCHES WITH A 42 INCH PARAPET. THAT'S WAY TOO CLOSE TO RISK ON. SO I WRONGLY SUGGEST FOR YOUR OWN BENEFIT, I DON'T EVEN THINK WE NEED TO MAKE IT A REQUIREMENT, BUT I STRONGLY SUGGEST YOU, UM, BUMP THOSE UP TO 48 INCHES. SO YOU MAKE SURE THAT THAT, AND THERE IS A LITTLE BIT OF, WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING FROM THE GROUND, IT BLOCKS IT. BUT JUST FOR YOUR OWN BENEFIT, I'D HATE FOR YOU TO BUILD THOSE IF 42 HAD AN ISSUE. OKAY, SO TECHNICALLY THAT NOTE SAYS HEIGHT TO BE ABOVE HVAC EQUIPMENT VERIFY WITH MANUFACTURER. BUT WE WILL, WE WILL, WE WILL MAKE SURE WE DO THAT. DO THE RESEARCH, FIGURE OUT EXACTLY WHAT THE EQUIPMENT IS AND ADJUST THE WALL ACCORDINGLY. SO YEAH, IF THEY'RE DEFINITELY COVER IT, BUT WE CAN WE CAN TAKE YEAH, IF THEY'RE GOING WITH MOST OF YOUR NEW CON IS LENNOX RESIDENTIAL UNITS, IF THEY'RE GOING WITH LENNOX, THEY'RE GONNA BE ACTUALLY 37 INCHES HIGH. IF YOU'RE GOING WITH CARRIER, THEY'RE GONNA BE IN THAT 33 RANGE AND THAT'S GUYS, WHEN YOU GO TO PUT 'EM ON, IT'S GONNA BE THE NEW REFRIGERANT. SO WE DON'T EVEN KNOW IN THE INDUSTRY, WE DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT SOME OF THOSE DIMENSIONS ARE. BUT IF YOU MAKE A GOOD FAITH EFFORT, SO IS THERE, IS THERE A DIMENSION FOR WHATEVER THE UNIT IS, LIKE HOW MUCH THAT WALL NEEDS TO BE ABOVE IT? NO, IT JUST NEEDS SOMETHING THAT, IT NEEDS TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S NOT VISIBLE FROM I KNOW, BUT THE GROUND. BUT TO GIVE THEM DIRECTION AS FAR AS LIKE, YOU KNOW, NEEDS TO BE MINIMUM SIX INCHES ABOVE THE UNIT OR WHATEVER IT IS. AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED, IT COULD BE ONE INCH ABOVE THE UNIT. YEAH. UM, PLUS THE FOUR BY FOURS PLUS THE ROOF SLOPE. IF THAT ROOF IS SLOPED A LITTLE BIT IN THERE, TECHNICALLY UNLESS YOU'RE IN A FOUR STORY BUILDING AND YOU'RE ACROSS THE STREET, YOU'LL NEVER GONNA SEE THESE. UH, BUT WE WILL GET THEM UP HIGH ENOUGH SO THAT IT'S NOT EVEN A CONCERN. THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT THE, UH, VETERINARY BUILDING SAID AND WE CAN SEE THAT TODAY. SO YEAH, . YEAH, I JUST DON'T WANT IT, IT'S BECOME SERIOUS ENOUGH TO THE TOWN THAT THEY WILL ACTUALLY STOP CONSTRUCTION UNTIL YOU FIX IT. SURE. UM, BUT YEAH, I JUST, BECAUSE THERE ARE NO, THERE ARE NO RAILS PUT IN THERE OR FOUR BY FOURS OR WHATEVER YOU MAY END UP DOING. YOU CAN, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO HURRICANE STRAP 'EM DOWN. THERE'S A LOT OF STUFF FOR YOU CAN ADD SIX INCHES VERY EASILY TO IT. MIGHT AS WELL DO IT UP FRONT INSTEAD OF WORRYING ABOUT IT DOWN THE ROAD. MM-HMM. . YEAH. AGREED. CAN WE LOOK ON THAT SAME POINT AT THE SIDE ELEVATIONS PLEASE OF ANY OTHER BUILDINGS? OKAY. NOT THE G CLUBHOUSE BUT THE APARTMENT BUILDING. [00:40:07] OOPS. SO WHERE IS WHAT? IF YOU LOOK AT THE REAR OR THE REAR ELEVATION OF THE BUILDINGS AND THEN I GUESS MAYBE WE SHOULD START THERE AND THEN WE CAN GET TO THE SIDES. IF YOU COULD FLIP ONE MORE. SO IT LOOKS TO ME LIKE THAT UH, PARAPET WALL STICKS UP BEYOND THE BRIDGE SIDE GABLES AND IT DOESN'T SHOW UP ANYWHERE AS ANY TYPE OF VISUAL ON THE SIDE ELEVATIONS. SO WHAT ARE YOU PLANNING FOR THAT? UM, I MEAN YOU, TO BE HONEST, UNTIL I LOOK AT THE SECTION, I CAN'T TELL YOU EXACTLY WHERE IT'S GONNA BE. BUT IT'S ABOVE THE RIDGE THOUGH. ABOVE THE BRIDGE. IT'S GONNA BE ABOVE THE RIDGE OF THAT, THE TOP OF THE PARAPET. UH, POTENTIALLY, YES. CAN WE GO BACK TO THE OTHER VIEW? BUT IN GENERAL, SHE'S JUST SAYING IT'S NOT SHOWN, UH, THE ONE SHOWING THE, UH, REAR ELEVATION UNLESS IT'S BLOCKED. IT'S NOT BECAUSE IT'S HIGHER THAN THOSE YOU, YOU ARE ON THE RIGHT. IT WAS JUST ONE SHEET UP FROM IT WAS WHERE YOU WERE BEFORE. YEAH. WRONG WAY . MORE THAN LIKELY IT WAS JUST A MISSED MISTY ON THE, ON THE, ON THE, YEAH, RIGHT HERE YOU GO. THERE IT IS. THE ISSUE I HAVE THOUGH WITH THAT IS THAT THE TWO OF THE BUILDINGS, THREE AND FIVE, I BELIEVE THE SHORT END OF THE BUILDING IS FACING ONE 70. I THINK THAT YOU SHOULD, YOU'RE UP, IT'S UP TO YOU HOW YOU WANNA HANDLE IT, BUT FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, I DO NOT WANNA SEE THAT TACKED ON PARAPET WALL FROM ONE 70 MM-HMM. . SO IF YOU COULD RAISE THE GABLE ON THE ENDS TO HAVE THE RIDGE OF THE GABLE HIGHER THAN THE PARAPET OR YOU CAN PUT THE PARAPET DOWN LOWER IN THE ROOF OR SOMETHING, BUT, OR YOU CAN PUT IT BACK FURTHER. I DON'T KNOW HOW FAR YOU WOULD HAVE TO PUT IT BACK SO THAT THE SIDES OF THE, LIKE THE WALLS OF YOU KNOW, CAN SEE ALL THE PARAPET WALL. BUT I, I'M NOT SURE THAT WOULD BE PRACTICAL AND I DON'T KNOW HOW EVERYBODY ELSE FEELS, BUT I DON'T THINK IT'S USUALLY WHEN WE HAVE THE PARAPET WALLS WHERE, AND IT'S NOT LIKE AN ARCHITECTURAL PARAPET WALL, IT'S REALLY JUST KIND OF TACKED ON. SO CAN WE GO TO THE, CAN WE GO TO THE SITE PLAN REAL QUICK FOR THIS DISCUSSION AND IT, I THINK IT SHOWS ON THERE WHERE THESE ARE LOCATED PERHAPS HOPING. YEAH, IT KIND OF DOES. SO SO IT'S REALLY SMALL ON HERE, BUT YOU CAN SEE HOW THESE MM-HMM. , THESE MECHANICAL WELLS ARE ALL POSITIONED TO THE REAR OF THE BUILDING. BUT THE ONLY ONE THAT YOU THERE ARE, I DON'T WANNA SAY THE ONLY ONE. THERE ARE A COUPLE THAT COULD POTENTIALLY BE SEEN FROM ONE 70, THE ONES THAT FACE BUILDING FIVE PLAN NORTH SOUTH INSTEAD OF PLAYING EAST WEST. YEAH. THREE AND FIVE. THREE AND FIVE. AND WE'RE GONNA BE TALKING ABOUT THE ENDS OF THOSE BUILDINGS TOO. IT'S UM, JUST ESPECIALLY IF WE'RE RAISING THE, THE PARAPET TO MAKE SURE THAT THE EQUIPMENT IS SCREENED. I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE DON'T SEE THAT PARAPET FROM THE FRONT ELEVATION. AND IF YOU CAN PLEASE DRAW IT IN WHATEVER IT IS. IF IT'S VISIBLE FROM THE FRONT AND YOU'RE GONNA TRY TO, YOU KNOW, ARGUE PERSPECTIVE THAT THAT MAKES IT OKAY. PLEASE DO SHOW IT IN ELEVATION TRULY TO HOW IT'S, SO ADDING THE PARAPET WALLS TO THE SIDE ELEVATIONS OF THE BUILDING. MM-HMM . YES. AND PREFERABLY BELOW THE RIDGE IF WE CAN RAISE THE CABLE OR SOMETHING TO GET IT. PREFERABLY ADDING THEM TO THE SIDE ELEVATION MEANS YOU CAN'T SEE 'EM ON THERE AND WE DON'T HAVE TO DO ANYTHING PETER. UM, WHILE WE'RE ON, WELL UNLESS YOU HAVE ANY OTHER ROOF OR AC WHILE WE'RE ON THOSE TWO SPECIFIC BUILDINGS, THREE AND FIVE, I THINK THERE WERE SOME ISSUES WITH I THINK THEIR METERS OR SERVICE THINGS ON THAT SIDE ON ONE 70 MM-HMM. . AND THAT IS OUR HCOG. SO THAT'S OUR MAIN VIEW. YEAH. AND THOSE, AND THOSE DO NEED TO BE MOVED. AND SO MOVE THE SCREEN. I MEAN THIS IS AN ELECTRICAL AND THIS IS THE METER PANELS, THIS IS HIGHWAY ONE 70. WHAT WE'RE HERE TO DISCUSS. I'M GONNA TAKE THIS ONE TO YOU. SO THANK YOU. UM, SO OBVIOUSLY WE'RE GONNA WORK WITH THE LOCAL UTILITY COMPANY AND THEY TYPICALLY PROVIDE A PLAN ABOUT, LIKE A LOT OF TIMES THEY HAVE A LOT OF SAY IN WHERE THE METERS GO, DEFINITELY WHERE THE TRANSFORMERS GO. BUT PROBABLY WE'LL BE ABLE TO WORK WITH THEM AND MOVE THEM AWAY FROM THE SIDE FACING THE BUILDING. THAT DESIGN IS, THAT'S A PLACEHOLDER ON OUR DESIGN BECAUSE THE FINAL LOCATION OF THEM IS TYPICALLY LIKE THE ELECTRICAL COMPANY HAS SOME INPUT ON THAT AND WE HAVE INPUT AS WELL. YEAH. SO WE'RE BASICALLY, I WHAT I'M SAYING IS, I, I THINK I, YOU WERE GONNA HAVE TO LOOK AT THAT, BUT WE, I THINK WE CAN MOVE THEM TO A DIFFERENT LOCATION. WHAT IF YOU PUT THEM THERE AND YOU PUT UP A SCREEN WALL AND LIKE LANDSCAPING IN FRONT OF IT AND STUFF LIKE THAT. HERE'S MY THOUGHT ON THIS. AS A NON-ARCHITECT, OKAY. UH, WE'RE DEALING WITH APARTMENT BUILDINGS, MY DEALING WITH MECHANICALS THAT OFTENTIMES ARE ON THE GROUND, NOT UP ON THE ROOF. THE METERS END UP ON THE END BECAUSE ALL OF [00:45:01] THE BALCONIES AND SO ON ARE THERE. RIGHT. WHAT IF WE HAD THEM MAKE IT LOOK LIKE IT WAS A FRONT COURTYARD, LIKE THE FRONT OF A HOUSE WITH A FRONT BRICK COURTYARD OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THAT YOU WOULD SEE I THINK IF IT WAS DESIGNED AND NOT JUST STUCK ON THERE. MM-HMM. WE'RE TASKED, LIKE WE SAID BEFORE, WE'RE TASKED WITH MAKING SURE THIS BUILDING PRESENTS ITSELF. MM-HMM. NO MATTER WHICH SIDE IT IS, PRESENTS ITSELF, LIKE IT'S THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING. IF YOU WERE CVS YOU'D BE REALLY P****D AT US RIGHT NOW. YEAH. DEALING WITH THAT WITH THEM. SO WHEN YOU TELL ME THAT AGAIN, WHAT YOU ARE SUGGESTING ABOUT THE COURTYARD, CAN YOU ELABORATE A LITTLE BIT MORE ON HOW THAT WOULD BLOCK THE ACTUAL PANEL OR YOU MIGHT BUILDING OR, WELL, LIKE, I THINK WHAT HE'S SAYING IS IF YOU BUILT OUT A WALL STRUCK LIKE A COURTYARD RIGHT? AND THE PANEL WAS BEHIND THERE, YOU WOULDN'T SEE IT FROM THE ROAD. THAT DIDN'T LOOK LIKE A SERVICE YARD, YOU KNOW, NOT A SERVICE YARD, BUT LIKE AN ACTUAL ARCHITECTURAL FEATURE OF THE BUILDING. LIKE IF YOU'RE WALKING UP TO A HOUSE NOT AFTER AN ENCLOSED COURTYARD UP FRONT TYPE, LIKE AN INTENTIONAL PIECE OF ARCHITE, MAYBE LIKE A, IT PROBABLY HAVE TO BE A SIX FOOT HIGH BRICK WALL MORE OR LESS. SO THE ELECTRICAL COMPANY, I THINK THEY REQUIRE LIKE A THREE FOOT CLEARANCE AND ACCESS TO THEM IN FRONT. SO IT'D HAVE TO BE SO STOOD OFF FOR IT TO LOOK LIKE A FEATURE. IT NEEDS TO BE STOOD OFF MUCH FURTHER THAN THREE FEET. 'CAUSE IT NEEDS TO FEEL LIKE IT'S A COURTYARD THAT YOU COULD OCCUPY IF YOU'RE TO PURSUE THAT DIRECTION. OKAY. DOES THIS SO I I DON'T, I'M NOT EXACTLY UNDERSTANDING OF LIKE WHAT, WHAT THE COURTYARD, WHAT, WHAT THAT MEANS, WHAT THAT IS FEATURE IS. I THINK WHAT WE'RE ALL SAYING IS IT CANNOT FEEL LIKE YOU TOOK A SERVICE YARD FENCE AND PUT IT THREE FEET AWAY FROM THE METER AND STUCK IT ONTO THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING BECAUSE THIS IS THE FRONT OR LATTICE WORK OR, OR LATTICE WORK OR WHATEVER. IT CANNOT FEEL AS THOUGH IT IS A SERVICE YARD. IF YOU HAVE TO HAVE THE PANELS HERE. IT NEEDS TO BE DESIGNED INTO THE ARCHITECTURE THAT IS UP FOR YOU TO DETERMINE. BUT IT FEELING LIKE A SERVICE ENCLOSURE OF ANY KIND WOULD NOT BE AN ACCEPTABLE SOLUTION. I THINK WHAT COMMISSIONER WHITMORE WAS SUGGESTING WAS THAT IF YOU WERE TO THINK OF IT LIKE IT WAS A ENTERTAINING COURTYARD, A FRONT COURTYARD, THAT'S ACTUALLY A SPACE THAT YOU WOULD SPEND TIME IN. NOT TO SAY THAT THAT'S HOW YOU WOULD USE IT, BUT THAT IT'S FAR ENOUGH OFF THE BUILDING THAT IT FEELS LIKE A FUTURE AND IT'S INTENTIONAL THAT COURTYARD WALL COULD ACT AS THE SCREEN FROM ONE 70 WITHOUT IT FEELING LIKE YOU HAVE JUST TACKED A SERVICE YARD STRAIGHT TO THE BUILDING ON ONE SECOND. WELL I DIDN'T PROPOSE TO TYPE OF SERVICE YARD STRAIGHT TO THE BUILDING. SO THAT WAS NOT PLANNING ON DOING THAT. NO, WE'RE SAYING AS SAYING WE'RE JUST GIVING YOU AN IDEA OF WHAT'S NOT SOUNDS GOOD. UH, YEAH, THINK OF THAT. THAT'S GONNA TAKE A LITTLE CREATIVITY. SO THINK OF IT LIKE, UH, YOU OWN THE PLACE AND YOU HAVE AN OUTDOOR SEATING GROUP AND YOU WANT TO KIND OF PRIVATIZED THAT TYPE OF THING, BUT IT YEAH, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO GET A LITTLE BIT CREATIVE. YEAH. AND, AND MAYBE, MAYBE MOVING IT WOULD MAKE THAT EASIER TO ACCOMPLISH AS WELL. MM-HMM. . SO WE'LL LOOK AT BOTH, UM, BOTH POSSIBILITIES. BUT YOU'RE RIGHT, IT IS HARD TO PUT 'EM ON LIKE THE BACK OR THE BUILDING BECAUSE OF ALL THE PORCHES AND EVERYTHING. IT'S LIKE THERE'S NOT A LOT ROOM THERE. I UNDERSTAND. CAN THERE BE, UM, AND I, AND I'M JUST GONNA THROW IT OUT THERE, BUT I DON'T KNOW THIS THE RIGHT ANSWER OR HOW TO DO IT, BUT A PEDESTAL WHERE THEY ALL ARE AT ALL THE UNITS ARE ON ONE THING AND YOU MAKE A LITTLE, UM, KIOSK, NOT A KIOSK, BUT A LITTLE THING STANDAL, A ALONE ROOF AND A CUTE LITTLE DETAIL OR SOMETHING. STANDALONE SERVICE STANDALONE. SOMETHING LIKE THAT'S DETACHED FROM THE BUILDING. HAVEN'T DONE THAT BEFORE, BUT I HAVEN'T SEEN THAT. I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE WERE OPTIONS. WELL I KNOW THAT I'VE WORKED ON SOME BUILDINGS RECENTLY AND I KNOW THAT WHITMER JONES KEEVER HAS WORKED ON SOME PROJECTS WITH ME THAT WE HAVE UM, A STANDALONE METER BANK. SO I JUST, ANYWAY, I THINK THAT WOULD BE VERY DIFFICULT AND BE VERY EXPENSIVE FOR THE OWNER. WELL WE'RE JUST TRYING TO GIVE YOU IDEAS. YOU HAVE TO COME UP WITH THE SOLUTIONS AND BE CREATIVE. WE'RE JUST, I'M JUST LETTING YOU KNOW WHAT THINGS HAPPEN IN REAL LIFE WORKS. SO WE COULD PUT ON THE BUILDING AND, AND DO DESIGN THE COURTYARD. WOULD THAT BE ACCEPTABLE? WE'D HAVE TO SEE IT. I MEAN, IT, IT WOULD NEED TO LOOK INTENTIONAL LIKE LYDIA WAS SAYING. I MEAN IT STILL HAS TO LOOK LIKE THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING. SO IF YOU MAKE IT LOOK LIKE THE FRONT AND LIKE IT'S NOT A SERVICE YARD, I THINK WE'RE ALL OPEN TO HOWEVER YOU WANNA INTERPRET THAT. YEAH. UH, I I FEEL LIKE I HAVE ENOUGH, ENOUGH INFORMATION TO COME BACK WITH A PROPOSED SOLUTION. SO, UM, IT MIGHT BE PUTTING THEM ALL ON THE OTHER END OF THE BUILDING AND THAT'S ONE ELEMENT OF THAT WHAT LOCATION? GO AHEAD. NO, I'M GONNA LET THE ARCHITECT DO IT. I JUST HAD A QUESTION. YOU'RE THE ARCHITECT. GO AHEAD. I WASN'T, I WAS OBVIOUSLY NOT PART OF THE DRC MEETING, BUT I DID SEE FROM THE NOTES THAT IT, THERE WERE SOME DISCUSSIONS ABOUT NOT HAVING, UM, NON-OPERATIONAL [00:50:01] SHUTTERS, WHICH I DIDN'T KNOW IF THAT WAS IN REFERENCE TO THESE BAHAMA SHUTTERS THAT ARE OVER PANELS AND NOT WINDOWS OR IF THAT WAS IN REFERENCE TO A DIFFERENT FEATURE THAT USED TO BE ON THE BUILDING. I BELIEVE IT'S THESE SHUTTERS. IT WAS IN REFERENCE TO THESE AND IT WAS INCONCLUSIVE OUR DISCUSSION AT THE DRC MEETING AND WE KIND OF SAID WE WOULD TALK ABOUT IT AT THIS MEETING. MM-HMM. BECAUSE WE CAN TAKE THEM OFF AND JUST MAKE IT NORMAL SIDING THERE. UM, I DON'T THINK YOU CAN, 'CAUSE IT HAS TO ON THE SIDES THAT ARE NOT FACING ONE 70, YOU COULD DO THAT, BUT ON THE SIDES THAT ARE FACING ONE 70, JUST A BLANK SIDING UNARTICULATED WALL WOULD NOT BE APPROPRIATE. RIGHT. YEAH. SO WE ADDED THEM BECAUSE WE WERE TRYING TO ADD SOME DETAIL TO THAT ELEVATION AND WE DISCUSSED IT FOR A LITTLE WHILE, IF MY MEMORY SERVES ME CORRECTLY AT THE DRC MEETING AND SAID THAT, YOU KNOW, WE WOULD, WE WOULD HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT IT AT THIS MEETING. SO IS THERE SOME COMMENTS THAT YOU HAVE ABOUT THAT APPROACH OR SHE JUST THAT, THAT I THINK FOR THE, I'M OPEN TO YOU KEEPING BAHAMAS SHUTTERS THAT ARE OVER FAKE PANELS ON THE SIDES THAT DON'T FACE ONE 70. BUT I DO HAVE CONCERNS THAT THAT'S THE FRONT OF YOUR BUILDING AND IT REALLY DOESN'T HAVE FENESTRATION ON IT. SO, SO THE, THIS, THIS, UH, I UNDERSTAND AND, AND YOU GUYS HAVE LAID OUT THE CRITERIA IS THAT THIS, ANY FACE OF THE BUILDING THAT FACES ONE 70 IS THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING. THAT IS NOT A TAKEAWAY THAT I TOOK AWAY FROM THE DRC MEETING. IT'S SOMETHING WE HAD BEEN PUT TO TASK. YOU KNOW, MAYBE I MISSED SOMETHING THAT SAID IN THE MEETING. I DON'T THINK SO, BUT I JUST, YOU KNOW, I ALMOST FEEL LIKE, UM, YOU, UH, I HOPE YOU'RE NOT FRUSTRATED WITH US FOR PRESENTING THIS TO YOU. UH, I DID NOT UNDERSTAND THAT, THAT THAT WAS THE EXPECTATION, YOU KNOW? YEAH. SO, UM, SO WE DIDN'T DO THAT BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND IT. SO, AND I DON'T THINK RANDY, I DON'T THINK T DID EITHER. UM, AND TO BE FAIR COMMISSIONERS, UM, BY MY MEMORY OF THAT MEETING, WE WERE SO FOCUSED ON THE STORM WATER AND THE TREES AND ALL THAT, THAT THIS MAY HAVE BEEN NEGLECTED. SO I FEEL LIKE THEY, THEY HAVE TO MEET WHAT WE, WHAT WE'RE TASKED WITH, BUT I THINK MAYBE A LITTLE BIT OF LEEWAY ON THE FACT THAT THEY DON'T HAVE IT DRAWN RIGHT NOW. YES. UM, YEAH, SO I THINK WHAT WOULD BE PRODUCTIVE TO HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT IS WHAT DO WE HAVE TO DO TO THESE TWO BUILDINGS THAT THE SIDE SPACE ONE 70, YOU KNOW, TO, TO GET THEM UP TO STOP, YOU KNOW, IF SOME THINGS NEED TO CHANGE, YOU KNOW, THESE ARE, THESE ARE BEDROOM AND BATHROOM WALLS THAT ARE ON THE END OF THESE BUILDINGS. 'CAUSE UH, THAT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT'S WHAT THE FLOOR PLANS LOOK LIKE. I BELIEVE IF YOU LOOK IN THERE, THAT THAT WINDOW IS ABOVE THE HEADBOARD OF A BED AND THESE PANELS, UM, CAN'T BE BIG WINDOWS BECAUSE I, I BELIEVE THEY'RE INSIDE OF A BATHROOM. UM, SO THAT CAN MAKE FOR AN INTERESTING RIDE DOWN ONCE. YEAH. ARE THE BEHIND THE BAHAMAS SHUTTERS, ARE THOSE BEDROOM WINDOWS? THERE'S NOTHING BEHIND THEM. THEY'RE, THEY'RE, THEY'RE BATHROOMS THOUGH. THEY'RE THOSE IN THE BATHROOM. SO THEY'RE, THEY'RE PANELS THAT ARE, UH, TRIMMED, YOU KNOW, LIKE TRIMMED OUT LIKE A WINDOW AND COVERED WITH SUGARS. YEAH. WE'RE SAYING THAT'S NOT ACCEPTABLE. I THINK IT'S A LITTLE BIT LIKE FAKE SHUTTERS TO ME ARE NOT REALLY APPROPRIATE, BUT I COULD UNDERSTAND IT FOR THE SIDE ELEVATIONS. I JUST FEEL LIKE FOR THE FRONT ELEVATION OF WHAT, WHAT IS SEEING ONE 70 TO HAVE ALMOST NO ACTUAL DEMONSTRATION IS A CHALLENGE. BUT IF YOU GUYS ARE OKAY WITH IT, I MEAN IT'S EVERYBODY'S DECISION. I JUST THINK SOME AMOUNT OF LIKE A REAL WINDOW ON ONE 70 WOULD BE HELPFUL. OKAY. MAYBE, MAYBE LET'S DO THIS MAYBE. YEAH, GO AHEAD. LET'S GO TO THE GARAGE BUILDING FOR A SECOND BECAUSE THAT'S A LOT EASIER. ONE TO SHOW THEM HOW TO MAKE CHANGES ON IT AND THEN COME BACK TO THIS AND MAYBE THAT'LL HELP US ALL. WELL I FEEL LIKE ON THE GARAGE WHEN Y'ALL CLEANED IT UP, SO LESS IS MORE. SO THANK YOU. WELL YOU SEE THAT BOTTOM, THAT BOTTOM ELEVATION OF THE GARAGE? YEP. THE ONE BUILDING THAT'S FACING ONE 70. IT CAN'T LOOK LIKE THAT. OKAY. UM, YOU CAN KEEP MY OPINION. OKAY. AS ONE OF SIX HERE. MM-HMM. IS KEEP THE CENTER DOOR, MAYBE A COUPLE OF FAKE WINDOWS EVEN WITH BAHAMA SHUTTERS OR SOMETHING AND THEN MOVE THE DOORS FOR THE OTHER TWO AROUND TO THE SIDES. SO YOU STILL HAVE RENTABLE SPACE BUT THEN THAT MAKES IT LOOK LIKE THE FRONT OF A SMALL BUILDING. I AGREE. I AGREE. YEP. THERE YOU GO. I GET SO THAT KIND OF GIVES YOU AN IDEA. I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE ON THE OTHERS, BUT THAT JUST KIND OF GIVES YOU AN IDEA OF A QUICK DIRTY FIX TO MAKE THAT LOOK LIKE THE FRONT OF A BUILDING. AND I THINK THAT'S [00:55:01] IT FOR THAT. YOU WANT FAKE SHUTTERS ON THERE EXCEPT FOR THAT YOU SAY PUT SOME FAKE SHUTTERS ON THERE. YEAH, LIKE MAYBE SOME THE BA CLOSED WINDOW SHUTTERS OR THE BAHAMA WINDOWS THAT MAY HELP COME UP WITH A TIE 'EM ALL TOGETHER TO THE OTHER ONES. MM-HMM. . MM-HMM. . YEP. I THINK IF WE ARE TO ENTERTAIN JUST BAHAMAS ON ONE 70, I WOULD ASK THAT THE ANGLE BE SET VERY CLOSE. TO VERTICAL SO THAT YOU'RE NOT REALLY SEEING THE PANEL AND THAT IT BE SIZED SO THAT THE, IT COVERS THE WHOLE PANEL. I THINK THAT'S A GOOD COMPROMISE. YOU PAINT SOMEBODY LOOKING, YOU'RE NOT DRIVING BY AND LIKE SEEING UP INTO IT THAT IT'S PANEL. THINK WE CAN DO THAT. ALRIGHT, SO BACK TO THE OTHER ONE. MM-HMM. . IS THIS THE, IS THIS THE GRAND FINALE? ARE THERE, ARE THERE MORE COMMENTS TOO? JUST CURIOUS. UH, I DON'T, IT'S OBVIOUSLY OPEN. SO YOU DON'T FEEL ANY, THAT'S A LOADED QUESTION. , ARE YOU TIED? GETTING MY CONFIDENCE UP? ? WELL YOU, YOU HAD SAID WHEN YOU AND I WERE TALKING INDIVIDUALLY, AMANDA, THAT UM, YOU FELT THAT THE GARAGE SHOULD HAVE IT LOOKED THAT WAY ON BOTH ENDS. YEAH, I MEAN I THOUGHT THAT THE, THE GARAGE, I MEAN JUST FOR CONSISTENCY STATE, IF IT WAS THE SAME ON BOTH ENDS, BUT IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO BE, IT COULD BE JUST THE ONES THAT FACE, UH, AND IT'S ONLY ONE GARAGE BUILDING. GARAGE TWO. RIGHT? GARAGE TWO. AS LONG AS THAT ONE IS TAKEN CARE OF IN GARAGE. FOUR. UM, I WAS JUST SAYING FOR CONSISTENCY'S SAKE IT OH YEAH. SO THAT YOU HAVE THE SAME SETUP EVERYWHERE. THAT IT ALL LOOKS THE SAME THAN DO THE OTHERS. BUT I, I'VE, I MEAN GRUDGE TWO AND FOUR, WE SEE PROBABLY I'LL MOVE ONE DOOR, WE'LL MOVE ONE DOOR TO THE FRONT AND I MIGHT JUST MAKE THAT BACK STORAGE UNIT LIKE A DOUBLE SIZE FIVE BY 10, WHATEVER YOU WANNA DO. AND ELIMINATE THAT OTHER DOOR AND THEN IT'LL LOOK EXACTLY LIKE YOU JUST DESCRIBED. SO YEAH, WHATEVER YOU WANT TO DO. OKAY. SEE IF WE FINISH THAT, DO WE NEED TO GO BACK TO THE OTHER BUILDINGS WHERE WE HAVE YEAH. TAKE US BACK, CHARLOTTE TO THE END. UNITAS. CHARTERERS. ANY OF THE END ONES? ALRIGHT, YOU PASSED IT. I WAS BACK. THERE YOU GO. IS THAT IT? THAT'S A DIFFERENT ONE. THAT'LL DO IT. THAT'S A DIFFERENT ONE. BUILDING B AND THAT TYPE C AND TYPE A ARE WHAT WE NEED. THAT'S CORRECT. BUILDING THREE IS A C AND BUILDING FIVE IS AN A BECAUSE THAT B WOULD BE A LOT EASIER TO MAKE. LOOK LIKE THE ELECTRICAL METERS ARE FINE ON THE SIDE. WE'RE LOOKING FOR LEFT ON, I DON'T THINK ON C. THIS IS IT. YEAH, THIS IS IT. YEP. LEFT ELEVATION. SO THE RIGHT, THE RIGHT HAND SIDE OF THIS SCREEN AND THEN A SIDE, THIS IS LEFT C AND A IS GONNA BE THE RIGHT HAND SIDE. SO THIS, THIS ONE HERE, IS IT POSSIBLE TO FLIP FLOP THAT? 'CAUSE IT DOES JUST AESTHETICALLY LOOK EVEN LESS LIKE A FRONT ELEVATION WITH THE LITTLE SHED. IS THAT A SOMETHING ELSE THAT DRESSES THAT UP A LITTLE BIT? THAT THAT LITTLE ROOM IS THE FIRE SPRINKLER RISER ROOM. MM-HMM. . UM, WHAT ABOUT A FAKE DOOR ON THE FRONT OF IT? MAKE IT LOOK LIKE A FRONT DOOR TO A MM-HMM. . WOULD THAT WORK? I MEAN WE, WE CAN PUT A REAL DOOR IN IT, BUT YEAH. UM, YEAH. FIRE CHIEF. FIRE CHIEF MIGHT WANT IT. YEAH. IF YOU CAN PUT A REAL DOOR, EVEN IF IT'S LIKE, UM, FROSTED OR WHITED OUT OR WHATEVER, BUT THAT HAS SOME GLASS ON IT THAT MAKES IT LOOK LIKE IT'S A REAL FRONT DOOR. THAT WOULD HELP. SO THOSE ARE JUST ON THE TWO FACING HIGHWAY 70, CORRECT? CORRECT. THAT MAY BE ENOUGH, DON'T YOU THINK? OR DO YOU YEAH, BUT LEAVING THE BAHAMAS SHUTTERS, I THINK IT, IT DEPENDS ON HOW YOU GUYS FEEL ABOUT IT. I WOULD PREFER TO SEE FENESTRATION. IF YOU GUYS ARE OPEN TO NOT SEEING REAL WINDOWS, THEN I WOULD SUGGEST THE BAHAMAS SHUTTERS BE MM-HMM. SAFER AND LONGER SO THAT YOU REALLY DON'T SEE MUCH OF THE PANEL BEHIND IT. YEAH, I WOULD MAKE THE COMPROMISE WITH THAT. EVERYBODY'S OPEN TO THAT. SO BACK TO THE, UH, SPRINKLER ROOM. SO YOU, YOU WANT A DOOR FACING JUST ON THAT FACING US RIGHT THERE? MM-HMM. . NOW I DON'T THINK, I JUST HAVE A FEELING GLASS WILL NOT BE LOOKED AT JUST BECAUSE THE STANDPOINT, SOMEBODY COULD BREAK INTO IT PRETTY EASILY. SURE. I I GOT A FEELING THAT [01:00:01] MIGHT NOT BE THE BEST NOT, IT CAN BE A FAKE, CAN NOT LOOK LIKE A UTILITY DOOR. . YOU CAN INTERPRET THAT . WELL THAT'S, YEAH, THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE I'M GOING WITH IT TOO. DON'T MAKE THIS THE DOOR THAT THE FIRE DEPARTMENT GOES IN. JUST MAKE IT A BUT DOES THAT DOOR HAVE TO BE, OR I DON'T, YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? VISOR ROOM DOESN'T HAVE OPEN. YEAH. LIKE IT DOESN'T EVEN HAVE TO OPEN. YEAH. YOUR RISER ROOM DOOR IS PROBABLY GONNA BE PAINTED RED AND IT'S GONNA SAY RISER ROOM ALL OVER IT AND SO ON. BUT IF YOU HAVE A FAKE, IT'LL HAVE A SIGN ON FRONT DOOR. YEP. THAT'S THE ISSUE THOUGH. THERE'S GONNA BE SIGNAGE. YEAH, IT'S GONNA BE ON THE SIDE. GONNA BE ON THE SIDE. TYPICALLY. I HAVEN'T DONE A PROJECT HERE, BUT YEAH, THEY MAKE US PASTE RED, BIG RED LETTERS ALL OVER IT. AND ERROR IS POINTING TO THINGS SOMETIMES, DEPENDING ON THE LOCATION. THAT COULD BE NOT ON THE FRONT ROW . I UNDERSTAND. YOU KNOW, WE'RE, THAT'S WHY I'M CONCERNED A LITTLE GIVE AND TAKE HERE. YEAH. THAT ONE'S GONNA BE DIFFICULT. BUT DON'T THEY HAVE THE DOORS ON THE SIDES RIGHT NOW? BUT THAT'S DIFFERENT. BUT, BUT I'M SAYING IS WHEREVER THE DOOR IS, THE ENTRY POINT I THINK IS WHERE SOME SIGNAGE IS GONNA HAVE TO BE. BUT NOW IF IT GETTING RED, THEN WOULD IT BE BETTER TO NOT PUT IT ON ONE 70? IF YOU'RE GONNA HAVE FLASHING RED LETTERS THAT SAY, I'M SAYING NOT PUT, IF YOU, IF YOU PUT THE DOOR ON ONE 70, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE SOME TYPE OF NO, IT'S NOT A REAL DOOR. DOOR. FAKE DOOR. YEAH. THE ACTUAL DOOR DOESN'T FACE ONE 70. YEAH. THEN WE'RE FINE. SORRY, I WAS MISUNDERSTANDING. YOU'RE STILL, WHEN YOU'RE DRIVING DOWN 1 71, WHEN YOU'RE DRIVING DOWN ONE 70, YOU'RE STILL GONNA SEE THAT RED DOOR. BUT AT LEAST WE GET A LITTLE BIT. I KEEP SAYING IT'S RED. RED IT FIRED. SO IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE RED. YOU'RE GONNA SEE THE YELLOW DOOR DONE WHITE, DONE BLACK. IT WON'T BE ENTIRELY RED. I GET A COLOR OF THE SIDING DISAPPEARS. OKAY. I THINK WE CAN, YOU THINK THAT'S A GOOD, I'M FINE. I DON'T KNOW IF WE NEED IT, BUT THAT'S, I THINK THAT'S, BUT LET ME, LET ME BE CLEAR FOR THEM. IF THEY DO THE FAKE DOOR, WHERE DID WE LEAVE THEM? WITH THE BAHAMAS SHUTTERS? WE ARE DOING THEM, BUT, WELL, I'VE, GIVEN, I'M AGREEING WITH, I JUST WANNA BE, I JUST WANNA BE CLEAR TO THAT FAITH THOUGH. I'M AGREEING WITH WHAT LYDIA SUGGESTED ON THE, THE BAHAMAS SHELTERS. ANYBODY ELSE? MICHAEL, DO YOU HAVE AN OPINION? YOU DO HAVE I DO, BUT I I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR, HEAR IT. I, I'M FINE WITH WHAT YOU GUYS ARE SUGGESTING. I THINK IT'S A LITTLE SILLY TO ASK FOR FAKE DOORS AND FAKE THINGS. MAKE IT, MAKE IT REAL OR DON'T MAKE IT. I MEAN WE'VE ALREADY CONSIDERED PUTTING A COURTYARD ON THAT SIDE. LET THEM FIGURE OUT HOW TO MAKE A DESIGN IN THIS WITH A COURTYARD ON THAT WHOLE FACADE ON THE GROUND FLOOR. WHY ARE WE TRYING TO PUT A FAKE DOOR ON SOMETHING THAT'S SILLY? ASKING THEM TO, TO PUT A FAKE DOOR ON IT. THAT'S MY OPINION THAT I'M GIVING TO YOU. YES SIR. IF, LIKE YOU SAID, IF THAT WAS A COURTYARD EFFECT THAT WOULD ELIMINATE NEEDING TO DO THE DOOR. WELL IT STILL NEEDS TO LOOK LIKE A FRONT. WELL I THINK IT STILL CAN, DEPENDING ON THE ARTICULATION OF WHATEVER THAT COURTYARD IS. I MEAN I CAN'T DECIDE WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE. THAT'S NOT MY JOB. BUT UNDERSTOOD. BUT WHEN THE LAST, BUT THEY CAN ARTICULATE THAT LAST TIME YOU WALKED UP TO THE FRONT OF A HOUSE AND THERE WAS NO DOOR, A SIDE YARD HOUSE. YES. MM. CHARLESTON. OKAY. AND ALL THE STREETS IN CHARLESTON? NOT ALL OF 'EM, BUT A LOT OF 'EM. A LOT OF THEM. GOOD POINT. WHEN WE BRING THESE BACK, UH, THEY WILL LOOK MORE LIKE THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING , I PROMISE. AND YOU ONLY HAVE TWO. SO WHAT ABOUT YOUR VIEW ON THE SHUTTER OR THE BAHAMA SHUTTER, DO YOU THINK? AS FAR AS THE FENESTRATION OF NOTHING THERE VERSUS SOMETHING, EVEN THOUGH WE KNOW THAT THOSE ARE FALSE AREAS, EVEN IF THOSE ARE FALSE, I THINK IT'S FINE. YEAH, YOU'RE FINE WITH LIKE HOW WE WERE SAYING WITH THE ANGLE BEING MADE, RIGHT? RIGHT. ABSOLUTELY. I MEAN IF YOU LOOKED AT THE SIDE ELEVATION, THOSE WERE ANGLED AND IT LOOKED, IT LOOKED NICE. IT WAS A NICE PRESENTATION. YEAH. OKAY. WE, WE NEED TO LOOK AT THE RIGHT HAND SIDE OF A TYPE A BUILDING 'CAUSE THAT'S THE OTHER ONE THAT FACES THE HIGHWAY. SHOULD WE, SO IS THIS, ARE THESE THE SAME AS A TWO? 'CAUSE IT SAYS SIMILAR BUT IT'S, IT'S PRETTY MUCH THE EXACT SAME ELEVATION AS WE JUST LOOKED AT FOR THE TYPE C. WELL THIS IS A ONE. SO A ONE AND A TWO ARE THE EXACT SAME SIDE ELEVATIONS. THE ONLY THING I WOULD SAY SIMILAR COULD BE LIKE THE SPRINKLER CLOSET MIGHT BE ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT OF THE BUILDING. MM-HMM. . YEAH, THERE. THAT'S PROBABLY WHY IT'S A TWO BECAUSE I'M SEEING THE SPRINKLER ON THE ROAD. THE ELEVATION IS THE ONE WE JUST LOOKED AT. OH. SO THIS IS THE A ONE AND A TWO TYPE BUILDING RIGHT HERE. GOTCHA. SO YOU JUST PROVIDED ONE ELEVATION FOR BOTH TYPES [01:05:01] OF BUILDINGS 'CAUSE THEY LOOK THE SAME. MM-HMM. DO THE EXACT SAME PRETTY MUCH. I MEAN THIS, OH YEAH. IT EVEN SAYS HERE A TWO LEFT SIDE SIMILAR. MM-HMM, . OKAY. AND JUST TAKE, JUST FOR WHATEVER IT'S WORTH, WHEN SOMETHING SAYS SIMILAR, THAT DOESN'T MEAN THE SAME. AND SO IF YOU DON'T PROVIDE THE DRAWING, IT NEEDS TO BE LITERALLY THE EXACT SAME. SAME. OR I NEED A DRAWING SO THAT WE CAN REVIEW THAT PLEASE. SO IT'S GONNA BE THIS ONE AND WE'RE LOOKING AT THE RIGHT SIDE OF THIS BUILDING. WELL IF YOU LOOK AT THE, THE, UM, TO SHOWING THE FDC TOWARDS THE ROAD. SO IT'LL BE THE SAME. OKAY. IT'LL BE THE SAME. SAME WITH THE FIRE ROOM ON THE, SO IT IS, IT'S THE SAME AS THE, FROM WHAT I CAN SEE. SEE, YES. WHICH WOULD ALSO BE THE SAME AS THAT ONE. THIS MM-HMM. . SO WE HAVE THE ELECTRICAL PANELS, WE'VE GOT THE RISER ROOM AND THE SHUTTERS WE SETTLED AND WE JUST NEED TO DO SOME WORK ON THIS TOO. UM, MAKE IT LOOK MORE LIKE THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING. I MEAN OTHER FEATURES THAT ADD FENESTRATION OR YOU KNOW, MIGHT ADD SOME VISUAL INTEREST OR LIKE LITTLE, LIKE LITTLE METAL SHED ROOFS, LIKE LITTLE SHORT GUYS, YOU KNOW, THINGS LIKE THAT. I DON'T KNOW IF ANY OF THAT RESONATES WITH YOU OR WOULD IMPROVE THIS. UM, I, YOU KNOW, I SIT DOWN AND THINK ABOUT IT FOR A WHILE. WE CAN COME UP WITH SOME OTHER THINGS. I JUST WANT TO TRY TO GO IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION. YOU KNOW, THAT'S JUST GETTING CLOSER AND NOT FURTHER AWAY. SO, UM, WHAT ABOUT, THERE WAS A COMMENT FROM THE TOWN ABOUT THE BRICK HEIGHT, UM, BEFORE THEY HAD DIFFERENT LEVELS AND NOW THEY'VE MADE IT CONSISTENT. MM-HMM. , WHICH THEY DID WHAT WE ASKED. UM, BUT THE TOWN HAD MENTIONED THEY WANTED IT HIGHER. DOES ANYONE HAVE AN OPINION IF IT SHOULD BE HIGHER OR IF THIS IS AN APPROPRIATE LEVEL? I THINK THE TOWN, I DON'T WANNA SPEAK FOR THEM, IT WAS JUST IN HER SLIDESHOW THAT SAID SOMETHING ABOUT HIGHER. UH, I THOUGHT THAT THEY THOUGHT THAT WAS A COMMENT THAT ORIGINATED FROM YOU GUYS. YES. BUT I DON'T KNOW FOR SURE. BUT YOU MENTIONED SOMETHING ABOUT THAT. WELL, EITHER NOT AWARE OF THE DRC COMMENT. OH, OKAY. THAT DISCUSSION. I WAS NOT AT THAT MEETING, BUT IT SEEMED TO BE THAT THERE WAS A DESIRE FOR CONSISTENCY AND ALL THE ELEVATIONS. NOT NECESSARILY THAT THE BRICK, THE SECOND FLOOR. I THINK IT WOULD HELP PROPORTIONALLY IF IT WENT UP TO THE SECOND FLOOR. BUT I UNDERSTAND IF IT DOESN'T, AT LEAST IT'S CONSISTENT. YEAH. MM-HMM. . GREAT. THE ONLY THING I STARTED TO THINK ABOUT WHEN THAT HEIGHT WAS, NOW THAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS COURTYARD EFFECT, IT MIGHT ACTUALLY HELP TIE IN THE COURTYARD BECAUSE THE COURTYARD WOULD BE TALL AND THEN YOU HAVE THE BRICK ELEMENT. BUT THAT'S A CREATIVE DESIGN THING YOU NEED TO THINK ABOUT. ALRIGHT. OKAY. SO WHERE DO WE WANNA GO FROM HERE GUYS? BECAUSE WE NEED TO WRAP THIS UP. IS THERE ANY OTHER CONCERNS? ? UM, JUST THAT I THINK WE WERE MISSING PERHAPS SOME BUILDING E ELEVATIONS. IF Y'ALL CAN JUST GO THROUGH AND MAKE SURE THAT WE, WE HAVE ALL UNIQUE ELEVATIONS, PLEASE BLESS YOU. THANK YOU. BLESS YOU. UM, SO LET'S BE CLEAR HERE. UH, A TWO IS WE NEED TO HAVE THE ELEVATIONS FOR THE FRONT AND SIDE THAT NEEDS TO BE DISTINGUISHED FROM A ONE. IF IT'S ACTUALLY IDENTICAL, THEN THAT'S FINE, BUT I WOULDN'T NOTE IT AS SIMILAR. OKAY. I THINK IF WE CAN JUST SAY THAT IT'S TRULY THE SAME GUYS. I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S GONNA BE CONSENSUS ON THIS OR NOT, BUT I, I'M THINKING THIS THROUGH WITH THE CONDITIONS AND I KNOW WE WANT TO GO THROUGH EVERYTHING THAT WE DID. HOPEFULLY SOMEBODY WAS WRITING IT DOWN. CHARLOTTE'S GOT IT. UM, DAN DAN'S WRITING, UM, BECAUSE, AND I, AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'LL BE A CONSENSUS ON THIS OR NOT, BUT MY FEELINGS ARE BECAUSE THE ELEVATIONS AT THE HIGHWAY HAVING TO LOOK LIKE THE FRONT OF BUILDINGS WAS NOT CALLED OUT AT DRCI AM A LITTLE PREDISPOSED TO GOING FORWARD WITH THIS, WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT STAFF MAKES SURE THAT WHAT WE'VE CONVEYED HAS BEEN DONE TO NOT HOLD THEM UP. IF IT WAS BROUGHT OUT IN DRC AND THEY DIDN'T DO IT, I WOULD'VE A TOTALLY DIFFERENT FEELING. YES. PLEASE GO AHEAD. I WOULD, UH, I, I APPRECIATE YOU SAYING THAT, CHARLIE. I WOULD DEFINITELY APPRECIATE THAT. IF THAT'S THE, YOU KNOW, OTHERS AGREE WITH THAT. [01:10:01] AND I WOULD ALSO SAY, AND I'M SURE THAT YOU'VE HEARD DEVELOPERS SAY A LOT OF THINGS, SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT THIS IS WORTH, BUT, UM, WE, WE WOULD BE VERY HAPPY TO COMPLY WITH THESE COMMENTS. THERE'S KIND OF TWO CLASSES OF COMMENTS HERE. ONES ARE VERY SIMPLE, LIKE, UM, THEY'RE LIKE A DIRECTIVE, SOMETHING THAT WE CAN EASILY CHANGE. AND THE OTHER ONES ARE LIKE MORE CREATIVE. LIKE YOU HAVE TO DESIGN SOMETHING A LITTLE DIFFERENTLY. SO, UM, THE ONES THAT REQUIRE DESIGN ARE THE ONES THAT YOU GUYS WANNA SEE THE MOST BECAUSE WE COULD GO LEFT WITH IT OR WE COULD GO RIGHT WITH IT. UM, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANY AVENUE FOR US TO, YOU KNOW, SHARE THOSE WITH YOU OR HAVE DIALOGUE WITH YOU ABOUT THOSE THROUGH STAFF. BUT, UM, WE WOULD BE OPEN TO, YOU KNOW, HAVING THAT COMMUNICATION AND MAKING SURE WE WORK TO A RESOLUTION THAT IS, UM, MUTUALLY ACCEPTABLE TO ALL OF US. UM, SO YOU JUST CAN'T, UH, YOU JUST HAVE TO DO A LITTLE WORK BEFORE YOU CAN REPRESENT THOSE DESIGN MORE DESIGN, UH, DEMANDING. UH, WELL, IN THE PAST YOU'VE DONE, YOU AND LYDIA MET WITH THE PAST. WE HAVE. WE HAVE. WE'VE MET. BUT I GUESS IN ORDER TO MOVE THIS FURTHER, HE IS SAYING, OR HOW THIS WOULD NEED TO MOVE FORWARD IS IF WE WERE OKAY WITH, OR MAYBE YOU WERE SAYING WITH THE RECOMMENDATIONS, UM, AT STAFF LEVEL, BUT WE WOULDN'T BE NECESSARILY COMFORTABLE WITH STAFF HAVING TO MAKE THOSE FINAL DECISIONS. BUT WE CAN'T VOTE TODAY SAYING THAT WE RECOMMEND, YOU KNOW, USE THESE RECOMMENDATIONS AND THEN ME AND LYDIA GO TO THEM LATER. AND LIKE, YOU'VE ALREADY VOTED, RIGHT? I MEAN, YOU CAN'T MM-HMM. WELL HERE'S HERE, HERE, HERE'S THE, LIKE, CAN WE COULD, WE COULD ABSOLUTELY SIT DOWN AND TALK WITH THEM AND WE'VE DONE IT A MILLION TIMES BEFORE WITH OTHER PEOPLE, BUT I JUST DON'T KNOW HOW THAT WORKS WITH A VOTE. WELL, WE COULD, IT COMES DOWN TO A, A TRUST LEVEL OF STAFF. BUT IT ALSO COMES DOWN TO KEEP IN MIND WHEN FINAL DRC HAPPENS, THREE OF US ARE ON THAT DRC MM-HMM. . AND SO IF THEY HAVE NOT WORKED WITH YOU IN GOOD FAITH, IF, IF WE GO DOWN THIS STAIRS YEAH. AND THEY, THEY HAD THREE, IF THEY HAVEN'T WORKED WITH YOU IN GOOD FAITH, IF YOU HADN'T COME UP, THEY HADN'T COME UP WITH A DESIGN THAT Y'ALL ARE HAPPY WITH. THE THREE OF US AT DRC COULD THAT HOW THAT, THAT FROM FINAL PART OF THE RESUBMITTAL WAS RESPONDING THE COMMENT THAT THEY RECEIVED AT DRC AND THAT'S IN YOUR PACKET. SO THEY DID. THEY ABSOLUTELY DID A GOOD NO, NO, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT FINAL DRC. IF WE WERE TO APPROVE THIS WITH THE CONDITIONS THAT THEY MAKE CHANGES THAT WE HAVEN'T SEEN AND THEN THEY MEET WITH THEM. IF WE DON'T FEEL LIKE THEY'VE MADE THOSE CHANGES AT DRC, WE CAN HOLD THEM UP. IF YOU ARE VOTING RIGHT NOW, YOU'RE VOTING, YOU'RE VOTING FOR APPROVAL OF THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, IT'S, IT'S, YOU CAN, YOU CAN MAKE IT SUBJECT TO CONDITIONS AND THAT ONE OF THE, THAT THEY CAN SUBMIT TO US AS STAFF AND WE CAN, WE CAN CONSULT WITH, WE CAN CONSULT WITH YOU, UH, UM, ON WHETHER THEY'RE, THEY'RE MEETING ALL THE CONDITIONS THAT YOU APPROVE IT ON. THAT'S WHAT I WANNA MAKE SURE IS THAT YES, WE'RE DOING IT THE RIGHT WAY AS FAR AS THE APPROVALS AND THINGS AND WE'RE NOT MESSING SOMETHING UP. RIGHT. YOU, YOU COULD, YOU COULD APPROVE SUBJECT TO THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS AND THEN THEIR RESUBMITTAL AFTER MEET THOSE CONDITIONS. AND WE WILL, AS STAFF, WE WILL COORDINATE COMMUNICATION WITH YOU TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S, THAT THEY HAVE MET THOSE CONDITIONS. COMMISSIONER DENMARK IN SITUATIONS LIKE WHERE IN THE PAST WHEN WE HAD SO MANY THINGS AND WE HAVEN'T SEEN ALL OF THE DRAWINGS, YOU KNOW, WE, WE'VE ASKED, WE'VE SUGGESTED THE APPLICANT TABLES IT AND COMES BACK. IS THAT OFF THE TABLE FOR US? I MEAN, THEY HAVE TO, THEY HAVE TO REQUEST THAT AND THERE'S A LOT OF CHANGES. THAT'S YEAH. AND THAT'S WHY WE NEED OPINIONS FROM YOU GUYS. LIKE IF YOU FEEL, IF YOU'RE UNCOMFORTABLE WITH STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS AND OR STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS OR NOT RECOMMENDATIONS, BUT, UM, APPROVAL CONDITIONS AND ME AND LYDIA OR YOU ALL AND LYDIA OR WHOEVER AND MEETING WITH THEM. LIKE IF THAT JUST DOESN'T SIT WELL AND YOU'D RATHER SEE IT BACK THEN WE SHOULD PROBABLY THINK ABOUT TABLING IT. WELL THEY THEY HAVE TO CONSIDER IT. THEY HAVE TO CONSIDER IT. RIGHT. BUT IT JUST SEEMS LIKE THERE'S A LOT HERE. AND IF YOU'RE UNCOMFORTABLE AND YOU'RE UNCOMFORTABLE, I'M UNCOMFORTABLE. I DON'T KNOW HOW THEY ARE. OKAY. THAT'S WHY WE VOTE. SO, SO THIS MEETING'S LIKE A ONCE, IS THIS A ONCE A MONTH? ONCE A MONTH MEETING? YES. SO IF WE, IF WE TABLE IT, THEN THE NEXT MEETING WILL BE RIGHT BEFORE CHRISTMAS. WELL, YOU'D HAVE TO GET YOUR, IT'S REVISED DRAWINGS IN BY THE DEADLINE FOR SUBMITTAL, WHICH IS PROBABLY IN A WEEK. THE DEADLINE FOR DEADLINE IS TODAY FOR, FOR THE DECEMBER 18TH MEETING. THAT WOULD BE JANUARY. UH, FOR, FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH, I HAVE A PROJECT [01:15:01] UNDER CONSTRUCTION HERE. I HAVE ANOTHER ONE I'M WORKING WITH DAN ON, AND I HAVE A CLIENT THAT IS DOING ANOTHER ONE IN BLUFFTON. SO THE LAST THING I WANNA DO IS DO SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO OFFEND YOU GUYS. 'CAUSE I HAVE PLENTY OF PROJECTS THAT IS BUSINESS FOR US MOVING FORWARD. SO FROM THE STANDPOINT OF US DOING WHATEVER WE CAN TO KEEP YOU GUYS HAPPY, THAT'S WHAT I WANT TO DO FROM AN ARCHITECTURAL STANDPOINT. SO I'M NOT GONNA TAKE ANY THESE COMMENTS AND TRY TO NOT DO ANYTHING YOU GUYS PROVIDE. SO JUST, JUST SOMETHING I WANTED TO SAY. THANKS T AND, UH, THERE'S, I FEEL, FEEL THE SAME WAY. I THINK, UM, THE WAY, SO I'M GONNA JUST HAVE A LITTLE DISCUSSION WITH YOU GUYS. UM, THANK YOU. UH, AND I'LL TRY NOT TO MAKE IT TOO LONG. SO I THINK THE WAY I UNDERSTAND THE PROCESS IS WE HAVE TO GET THIS COFA APPROVAL AND THEN WE HAVE TO GET, UM, IT HAS TO BE LIKE CONFIRMED THAT IT STILL COORDINATES WITH OUR DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND WE HAVE TO GET SOME TYPE OF APPROVAL OR SIGN OFF AROUND THAT BEFORE WE CAN SUBMIT OUR BUILDING PLANS FOR BUILDING PERMIT, WHICH THEN HAS A REVIEW PERIOD OF FOUR WEEKS PLUS COMMENTS. SO MAYBE LIKE ANOTHER COUPLE OF MONTHS. UM, AND SO IF YOU, IF YOU ADD UP THE SUBMISSION DEADLINES TODAY, SO WE CAN'T SUBMIT, WELL, SO WE WOULDN'T HIT THAT DEADLINE. SO OUR MEETING WOULD BE IN JANUARY. THEN THERE'S THEN THE OTHER APPROVAL AFTER THAT MEETING, WHICH MIGHT TAKE A COUPLE OF WEEKS. THEN SUBMITTING OUR BUILDING PLANS ALL OF A SUDDEN BEFORE WE HAVE BUILDING PERMITS, WE'RE OUT, LIKE GETTING IN THE FOUR OVER FOUR MONTH RANGE. AND, UH, WE'VE GOT LEE CONTRACTING ON SITE RIGHT NOW, LIKE GETTING READY TO PUT UTILITIES IN AND WE'D PROBABLY BE READY TO POUR CONCRETE IN TWO AND A HALF MONTHS POTENTIALLY. SO THAT IS KIND OF SCARY FOR ME BECAUSE I HAVE, I HAVE, UH, A BANK LOAN AND I HAVE INVESTORS AND I HAVE A CONSTRUCTION SCHEDULE THAT I HAVE TO HIT. SO THAT WILL, THAT WILL, THAT WILL PUT ME OFF SCHEDULE PRETTY SIGNIFICANTLY. UM, BUT I ALSO UNDERSTAND THERE CAN DO CONCURRENT DRC, LIKE DO THEY HAVE TO WAIT TO GET THE COFA BEFORE THEY CAN DO THAT LAST DEVELOPMENT PLAN? THEY HAVE AN APPROVED DEVELOPMENT PLAN. YEAH, THEY, SO THEN WHAT ARE THEY COMING BACK IN FOR AFTER THE COFA? THEY CAN'T GET THE PERMIT. SO THEY HAVE THE COFA. THERE'S NOT A STEP AFTER WE GIVE THEM THE COFA BEFORE THEY GO TO BUILDING PERMIT. IF IFFA BUILDING PERMIT, IF, IF THIS WERE TO GO FORWARD TONIGHT WITH CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL, THEY WOULD RESUBMIT IN THEIR RESUBMITTAL. THEY WOULDN'T, THEY WOULD INCLUDE ANOTHER, HOW THEY RESPONDED TO THE CONDITIONS. STAFF WOULD WORK WITH YOU TO ENSURE THAT THEY'VE ADEQUATELY ADDRESSED ALL OF, UH, CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL. BUT ONCE WE'RE IN AGREEMENT WITH THAT, WE APPROVE IT, WHICH IS BASICALLY ISSUING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS AND THAT TRIGGERS THEM BEING ABLE TO SUBMIT FOR THEIR BUILDING PERMIT. BUT THERE'S NO SECOND MEETING WITH THE DRC. THIS IS THE FINAL MEETING. THIS IS, THIS IS IT FOR COFA. SO I GOT, I GOT THE RESUBMITTAL OF THE CONDITIONS CONFLATED WITH MY SECOND DRC, BUT THAT WAS MY MISTAKE. NO, I SAID IT FROM UP HERE. IT WAS MY MISTAKE. OH, OKAY. SO I GUESS, WELL WHAT I WOULD ASK IS IF YOU GUYS WOULD CONSIDER IF, IF YOU ARE COMFORTABLE THAT WE WILL MAKE THESE CHANGES AND STAFF WILL SHARE THEM WITH YOU, AND IF YOU ARE WILLING TO REVIEW THEM, IT, WE COULD, WE COULD MAKE THESE CONDITIONS OR WE COULD MAKE AN OVERARCHING CONDITION THAT WE HAVE TO ADDRESS ALL THE COMMENTS FROM THE MEETING TODAY AND, AND YOU NEED TO REVIEW THEM. AND IF, IF YOU'RE COMFORTABLE WITH STAFF, THAT STAFF WOULD PRESENT THOSE TO YOU AND SHARE THOSE WITH YOU. AND STAFF WOULD BE WILLING TO HAVE THE DIALOGUE IN THAT WAY. THAT SEEMS TO ME LIKE A WAY TO DO A CONDITIONAL APPROVAL TODAY AND STILL MAKE SURE THAT WE COMPLY WITH EVERYTHING THAT YOU ASKED COMMISSIONERS. LET ME, LET ME SUGGEST THIS. OKAY. AND FIRST OF ALL, I, I WANT TO REITERATE, I WOULDN'T EVEN BE FEELING THE WAY I'M FEELING IF I FELT WE HAD APPROPRIATELY CONVEYED AND COMMUNICATED TO THE APPLICANT AT DRC. I FEEL LIKE WE AS DRC FAILED TO COMMUNICATE THAT THIS SHOULD BE FACING AS A FRONT OF A BUILDING NO MATTER WHAT THE ELEVATION WAS TOWARDS HIGHWAY ONE SEVEN. WE WERE SO FOCUSED ON THE TREES AND THE STORM WATER THAT, THAT, THAT DID NOT GET PROPER ATTENTION PAID TO IT. I PERSONALLY FEEL LIKE IT, UM, I'LL PUT IT TO YOU THIS WAY, IF IT DIDN'T GO THAT WAY, IF IT WAS ADDRESSED, THEN I WOULDN'T FEEL THE WAY I'M FEELING ABOUT THIS. I HAVE FAITH AND CONFIDENCE THAT IF WE POINT A COUPLE OF, UM, EXPERTS, UM, AMANDA AND LYDIA TO TO REVIEW IT AND THAT THEY'RE HELD TO IT BY STAFF BEFORE IT'S ISSUED, I'M, I'M CONFIDENT THAT WE HAVE THE TOOLS TO DO THAT WITHOUT DELAYING SOMEBODY FOR SOMETHING THAT THEY DIDN'T [01:20:01] NECESSARILY DO WRONG. IN MY MIND, UM, WHAT I WOULD SUGGEST IS TO GO AHEAD AND DO A MOTION AND THE VOTES WILL TELL US HOW WE FEEL AS THE COMMISSIONER. BUT I AGREE, COMMISSIONER WETMORE THAT IF WE VOTE AND WE DON'T GET THE VOTES NECESSARY, HAVE WE JUST DENIED THEM INSTEAD OF LETTING THEM TABLE? THAT'S WHAT THAT IS. YEAH. I MEAN, IF WE, AND I'M WORRIED ABOUT THAT AND I'M ALSO TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THE OFFICIAL PROCESS. SO WE APPROVE THIS WITH CONDITIONS AND THEN YOU'RE GONNA DESIGNATE TWO MEMBERS TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR, THAT THAT THEY'VE MET THE NEEDS THAT WE'VE ARTICULATED. IF YOU'RE COMFORTABLE, I MEAN WE, WE, WE CAN, WE CAN RESPOND TO ALL OF YOU AS A COMMISSION AND SAY, AND AND THAT WAY YOU'RE ALL PRIVY TO THE SAME RESUBMITTAL. HOW THEY I THINK THAT'S, I LIKE THAT ONE AND EVERYBODY I'M ALL RIGHT WITH THAT. YEAH. I DON'T WANT IT TO BE STUCK ON LYDIA AND ME MAKING WELL, THAT'S WHY I'M, WHY I'M ASKING THE QUESTION. ARE WE THEN HAVING ESSENTIALLY A VIRTUAL MEETING FOR EMAIL? YEAH. IS THAT SOMETHING THAT'S OFFICIAL? AND I THINK AS YOU KNOW, KATE, KATIE PETERSON USED TO RICHARD'S NOT HERE. , WE HAVE TO ASK QUESTION. KATIE HAS ALWAYS DONE IT THIS WAY. SHE, SHE HAS, SHE'S GOT CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL. SHE DOESN'T ISSUE THE COFA. THERE'S A RESUBMITTAL MADE THAT SHE REVIEWS. UM, AND AND IF THEY ADDRESS ALL OF THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL, THEN, THEN THEY GET A, THEN THEY GET A TRUE APPROVAL AND THE ISSUANCE SOME, BUT THE DIFFERENCE IS WE'RE RE INVOLVING THE ENTIRE COMMISSION. IS THAT OKAY? AND I, AND THAT'S WHY I'M A LITTLE UNCOMFORTABLE WITH THAT. 'CAUSE ESSENTIALLY IT IS A VIRTUAL MEETING. YOU'RE YOU'RE GETTING ALL OF US AND THEN YOU'RE GONNA ASK US TO YAY OR NAY. AND I DON'T KNOW IF WE'RE, WE'RE NOT ALLOWED. OKAY. I DON'T THINK WE CAN DO THAT. I I DON'T THINK WE CAN OPERATE VIA EMAIL THEN, THEN YOU WOULD HAVE TO RELY ON STAFF TO ENSURE THAT THEY ADEQUATELY ADDRESS YOUR CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL. AND THERE COMES A CERTAIN TIME THAT WE EITHER TRUST OUR STAFF OR WE DON'T. AND, AND CHARLIE, I, I, COMMISSIONER WETMORE, I TRUST OUR STAFF. THERE'S A LOT HERE AND THERE'S, AND WE ALL SAID THAT AT THE BEGINNING. THERE'S A LOT HERE. I'M FINE WITH THAT IF THE MAJORITY OF US FEEL LIKE WE ARE LETTING GO AND WE'RE GIVING IT TO STAFF. AND I MEAN, THERE, THERE ARE, EXCUSE ME, BUT, BUT THERE ARE, THE MAJORITY OF 'EM ARE IF THEY DO IT OR DIDN'T THEY DO IT. UM, AND, AND, UH, I GUESS SOMEWHERE IT GETS SUBJECTIVE WOULD BE WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE COURTYARD AND THE SCREENING IN FRONT OF THE BUILDING. RIGHT? RIGHT. UM, BUT I'M CONFIDENT THAT WE WE COULD, WE COULD REVIEW AND, AND APPROVE IT. WE, WE UNDER, WE'VE SAT THROUGH THIS MEETING, WE'VE, WE'VE HEARD WHAT THE CONCERNS ARE AND, AND, AND YOU'RE GIVING THEM A LITTLE BIT OF ARTISTIC LICENSE ON HOW THEY'RE GOING TO, TO US CREATE COURTYARDS. SCREENING OF THE METERS. SCREENING OF THE, OF THE RISE OF ROOM. ALL RIGHT, WELL, WE NEED TO MOVE ON. SO, UM, CAN I JUST GET EVERYBODY'S TEMPERATURE AND WHERE THEY'RE SITTING RIGHT NOW SO THAT WE CAN MAKE SURE THAT WE DON'T HURT THEM IN ANY WAY? YEAH, EXACTLY. SO MICHAEL, WHAT'S YOUR FEELING? TRUSTING STAFF? TRUSTING STAFF LY? UH, I'M UNCOMFORTABLE, BUT I IT'S OKAY. I, IT'S NOT THAT I DON'T TRUST STAFF. I DO, I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF COMMENTS, BUT I'M EXACTLY WHERE SHE IS. I'M WHERE YOU GUYS ARE. SO WE'RE KIND OF SPLIT , BUT, UM, ALL RIGHT. I DON'T WANNA DELAY THESE GUYS, BUT I DON'T EITHER. BUT THERE'S, THERE'S JUST A LOT. THERE'S A LOT, THERE'S A LOT THERE. I AGREE. UM, BUT WE DO TRUST STAFF, RIGHT? I MEAN, AND ASSUMING WOULD IT BE, UM, NOT APPROPRIATE IF STAFF DID HAVE A QUESTION TO REACH OUT TO PLANNING COMMISSION OR A MEMBER OR TO, YOU'RE RIGHT ABOUT THE RICHARDSON MAYBE NEEDING TO BE HERE, BUT I DON'T SEE A PROBLEM WITH IT. I, I MEAN, IF I WOULD, I WOULD SAY IF THAT HAPPENS, IT SHOULD BE TO LYDIA AND AMANDA AND THAT WAY IT'S NOT A MAJORITY OF COMMISSION. IT DOESN'T CONSTITUTE AN ILLEGAL MEETING. I DON'T, YEAH. I DON'T WANNA DO ANYTHING ILLEGAL. YEAH. AND THAT'S, THAT'S MY CONCERN. YEAH. IT WOULD HAVE, IT WOULD HAVE TO BE THREE OR LESS. CORRECT. SO RICH, DO YOU WANT TO BE THE THIRD? NO, BECAUSE I THINK WHAT YOU'VE GOT, YOU'VE GOT THREE UNCOMFORTABLE HERE. I THINK IT'S, IF IT'S LYDIA COMMISSIONER, I'LL BE A THIRD. OKAY. THANK YOU. I'LL BE A THIRD SOME BALANCE IS WHAT I WAS GONNA SAY. NO, I UNDERSTAND. I UNDERSTAND. [01:25:01] I JUST WAS TRYING TO THINK. YOU NEED TO WALK SO YOU'RE UNBALANCED. NO, I, HE'S JUST TRYING TO GIVE IT A LITTLE BIT OF LIKE, I'M TRYING TO GIVE IT A FAIR SHAKE. FAIR. YEAH. YEAH. YEAH. OKAY. DO WE HAVE A LIST? YEAH. WAIT, WELL WE DO. OKAY, , LET ME, UH, THE MOTION WILL PROBABLY BE ALONG THE LINES OF WITH THE LIST THAT STAFF HAS PREVIOUSLY READ. WE CAN WORK THROUGH RIGHT NOW. MAKE SURE TO READS CORRECTLY. THANK YOU. FEELING KATIE'S BEST. SO MY, UM, SUGGESTION WOULD BE, LET'S IDENTIFY THE ONES PERHAPS WE WANT TO ELIMINATE OF THE STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS. AND THEN WE CAN APPROVE STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS, IDENTIFY THE NUMBERS THAT WE FILL ARE APPROPRIATE FROM THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION, INCLUDING THE DETERMINATION REGARDING THE LIGHTS, AND THEN WE CAN FILL IN THE, THE RECOMMENDATIONS, UH, THE CONDITIONS THAT YOU HAVE FOR TONIGHT. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? YES. YES. OKAY. UM, SO FOR THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION ONE, DO WE WANT TO ELIMINATE THAT AND ALLOW THE, THE RESPONSE TO THE BRICK, UM, AS PRESENTED TONIGHT TO REMAIN? YES. LEMME UM, LEMME SEE IF I CAN DO IT THIS WAY. MS. IS KATIE WAS GET RID OF. I'M GONNA GET RID OF ONE AND CAN I DO THAT? OKAY. UH, THE DETERMINATION, WE'RE GONNA GET RID OF NUMBER TWO AS WELL. IS THAT OKAY? MM-HMM. ? YES, BECAUSE WE TALKED ABOUT THE PORCHES AND PATIOS AND MM-HMM. THAT'S COOL. I KNOW YOU CAN DO THAT. SO LEARNING SOMETHING. YEAH, WE MIGHT WANNA TALK ABOUT NUMBER THREE SEPARATELY AS WE DISCUSSED TONIGHT. SO SHOULD PERHAPS I JUST ELIMINATE STRIKE THROUGH THIS ONE. I THINK YOU SHOULD LEAVE THREE THERE BECAUSE I THINK THAT DOES THE INTENT OF OKAY. AGREE. OKAY. AGREE. OKAY. AND WE'RE NOT TALKING INCH MEASUREMENTS, YOU GUYS KNOW? YEAH. OKAY. CAN WE ADD TO THAT ONE THAT IT, THE PARAPET BE ON THE SIDES AND NOT VISIBLE FROM ONE 70 PLEASE. AND STATE THAT AGAIN, SHOW THE PARAPET ON THE SIDE ELEVATIONS AND HAVE IT NOT FACE ONE SEVEN OR BE VISIBLE FROM ONE SEVEN. UM, YOU LIKE THAT BRACKET? THAT THAT CORRECT? MM-HMM, . OKAY. TURN FOUR TO FROM. AND I THINK NUMBER FOUR, WE ALL AGREE WITH THE LED LICENSE. YES. LEAVE IT IN. AND WE KNOW THIS ONE, WE KNOW IT'S GONNA BE OKA T BLUFFS. UH, ALL COMMENTS MUST BE ADDRESSED. FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN BE APPROVED PRIOR TO ISSUANCE. CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS. DO YOU WANNA ADD IN THAT OR IS IT SEPARATE AS FAR AS TOWN'S STAFF TO CONSULT WITH COMMISSION MEMBER OR, I WOULD MAKE THAT SEPARATE COURT. YEAH. MAKE IT SEPARATE DEVELOPER TO MEET WITH APPOINTED COMMISSION. WELL, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE, NO, I DON'T THINK THAT WE NEED TO MEET. I THINK THAT YOU'RE MEETING WITH STAFF AND STAFF IS CONSULTING WITH US, SO IF STAFF HAS AN ISSUE, A QUESTION, THEY COULD CONSULT WITH US. WELL, I'D SAY THIS IS A PRETTY SIMPLE TASK ON OUR PART TOO. YEAH. BECAUSE LIKE THEY SAID, THERE'S A BUNCH OF 'EM THAT THEY'RE JUST, THEY CAN DO EASILY. THERE'S JUST A COUPLE ITEMS THAT WE, WE WANNA MAKE SURE, AND IF STAFF, YOU KNOW, NOT SURE, THEN DON'T REACH OUT. SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO CHANGE THE, WELL, YOU CAN SEND THE NEW PLANS TO THE THREE OF THEM FOR FEEDBACK. RIGHT. AMANDA, SEND THE NEW PLANS TO THE THREE OF YOU FOR FEEDBACK. I WOULD BE COMFORTABLE WITH THAT, NOT JUST, YEAH, I THOUGHT THEY WERE GONNA DO THAT. YEAH, YEAH. NO, WE'RE JUST MAKING SURE IT'S YEAH. CAPTURED. OKAY. I AM SORRY. AM I ADDING SOMETHING TO NUMBER SEVEN AND, UH, UPON UPON REVIEW BY APPOINTED, WE JUST TRUST STAFF TO SEND IT? NO, IT NEEDS TO BE A PART OF THE YEAH. THE CONDITION. SO THAT IF SAY THESE TWO WEREN'T HERE ANYMORE, STAFF AND THEN ANOTHER STAFF COMES IN AND THEN HOW ARE THEY GONNA KNOW? SORRY, ARE YOU GETTING RID OF NO, I'M NOT TRYING TO, I'M JUST REALLY, I'M JUST SAYING ED APPOINTED PLANNING COMMISSIONERS MAYBE [01:30:01] YEAH. PRIOR TO APPROVAL OR FINAL APPROVAL OR SOMETHING. INCLUDING REDESIGN, INCLUDING SHARING PLANS WITH THE THREE COMMISSIONERS, UPDATED PLANS. THANK YOU. APPOINTED. OKAY. AND I DO HAVE THAT THERE. YEAH. VERY UPDATED PLAN. SORRY. THAT'S GOOD. THAT'S GOOD. OKAY. SIGN PERMIT. SO IT LOOKS LIKE, UH, 3, 4, 5, 7, AND EIGHT. OKAY. SO THIS IS WHERE WE GET INTO NIGHT'S CONDITIONS. SO THE FIRST ONE I HAVE, AND DAN, UM, YOU MAY WANNA BACK ME UP AS I'M JOINING US TOO. THE BOARD AND BATTEN SPACING WAS TO BE, AS I UNDERSTOOD, TO BE CONSISTENT, UM, THROUGHOUT, ON ALL DRAWINGS. YOU JUST SAY MAX OF 16 MAX. THAT'S WHAT I WAS ABOUT TO SAY. TO BE 16 INCHES ON CENTER. ON CENTER. YEP. MAXIMUM. SO IF THEY DECIDE TO DO LESS AND IT LOOKS BETTER, THEY CAN, IS THAT CORRECT? MM-HMM. , RIGHT. UH, REMOVE ALL DORMERS FROM BUILDINGS ALL UP. YES. RIGHT. ALL OF THEM. I WOULD SAY IF THEY WANNA COME BACK WITH A DIFFERENT ARTICULATION OF A DORMER, I DON'T THINK THEY NEED TO OR WANT TO, BUT IF YOU DID, IT'S NOT THAT YOU CAN'T HAVE A DORMER. YEAH. IT'S JUST THE WAY THE, UH, THE ROOF CUT OUT. REMOVE OR, OR, OR REVISE DORMERS AS DISCUSSED. I DON'T KNOW. UM, UM, SO I'M NOT REALLY SURE PITCH. UH, SO REMOVE DORMERS IF THEY'RE, I IF THEY AGREED TO THAT, THAT'S YEAH. REMOVE DORMERS OVER OR REVISE THE DORMERS. YOU CAN JUST LEAVE IT OPEN LIKE THAT AND WE'LL, WE'LL DO ONE OR THE OTHER. OKAY. ROOF PITCH, IS THAT ADDRESSING THE, THE OVER THE PORCH? NO. YEAH. REMOVING THE THREE AND 12 ROOF PITCH. SO ANY THREE AND 12 ROOF PITCHES NEED TO BE FOUR AND 12. CRICKETS ARE NOT THE ROOF, IT'S A CRICKET. SO THOSE CAN REMAIN TO FOUR 12 OR GREATER. THERE'S ALSO THE CLUBHOUSE ROOF CUTOUT EXCEPT FOUR CRICKETS. OKAY. REVISE THE CLUBHOUSE ROOF CUT OUT AND I MEAN, THAT'S GONNA BE HOW THEY WANNA DESIGN IT, BUT MM-HMM. . YEP. AND, UM, ELECTRICAL PANEL. YEAH. OKAY. AND I'M, I'M KIND OF GOING INTO ORDER HERE OF UH, HVAC AS WELL. SO WE'VE GOT THE PARAPET WALL, WE'VE TAKEN CARE OF, UM, THE METER BANKS. SO THIS, UH, THE METER BANKS, UH, METER BANKS THAT ARE SHOWN ON THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING ON THE ONE 70 ELEVATIONS. UM, NEED TO LOOK, NEED TO BE MOVED OR, YES. DID YOU HAVE, YOU COULD SAY CANNOT BE VISIBLE FROM ONE 70. OKAY. UH, GOTTA BE A LITTLE MORE RESTRICTIVE THAN THAT BECAUSE YOU CAN PUT A SERVICE YARD AROUND IT AND IT'S NOT UH GOTCHA, GOTCHA. OKAY. I WOULD SAY EITHER RELOCATED OR APPROPRIATELY SCREENED WITH A ARCHITECTURAL ARCHITECTURAL ELEMENT. YEAH, THAT'S GOOD. THAT WAS A GOOD LAURA. YEAH. IT'S ALMOST LIKE THEY'RE ARCHITECTS HERE. I'M NOT ARCHITECT. WE GOT THAT ONE. YOU DID ONE ON TV. NOT THE STEVIE THOUGH. WE'RE GONNA ADD A THIRD FLOOR. THE BAHAMAS SHUTTERS. OH YES. I SAY, I SAY BAHAMAS SHUTTERS. YEAH. HOW DO ONE 70 FACING ELEVATIONS NEED TO PRESENT AS ONE POSSIBLE SOLUTION? INCLUDES SIZING [01:35:01] AND TILTING THE BAHAMA SHUTTERS TO CONCEAL THE FALSE PANELS BEHIND THEM. OKAY. OTHER SOLUTIONS ARE POSSIBLE. THEY WANNA COME UP WITH SOMETHING DIFFERENT. OKAY, LET ME START THAT AGAIN. ONE SUGGESTION. BUILDING THREE AND FIVE. ONLY JUST THE ONE 70? YEAH. MM-HMM. THREE AND FIVE. I'M SORRY. UH, COMMISSIONER DEPA. COULD YOU RESTATE THAT? UH, SHOULD WE JUST SAY FOR BUILDINGS THREE AND FIVE, THE ONE 70 FACING ELEVATION, I MIGHT SUGGEST THAT WE ACTUALLY WRITE THIS NOT SPECIFICALLY ABOUT THE BAHAMA SHUTTERS AND THEN WE CAN TALK ABOUT BAHAMA SHUTTERS POTENTIALLY WELL LEAVE THAT, BUT IN FRONT OF THE ELEVATION MUST BE. WELL, BECAUSE I GUESS WHAT I'M GETTING AT IS I DON'T THINK THAT WE SHOULD HAVE BAHAMA SHUTTERS AT ALL SORTS OF DIFFERENT SIZES AND ANGLES ON THE OTHER. THEY ALL NEED TO BE CONSISTENT. SO WHILE THE PROBLEM THAT WE HAVE IS ONLY ON THAT ELEVATION, WHATEVER THEY CHOOSE TO DO, IF IT INVOLVES BAHAMA SHUTTERS NEEDS TO HAPPEN ON ALL, ALL OF THE SIDES. BUT I DID LIKE WHAT YOU SAID INITIALLY WHERE YOU SAID, UM, THE HIGHWAY 70 MUST APPEAR TO BE FRONT FACING IF BAHAMAS SHADOWS ARE USED. SO IF BAHAMAS, I THINK JUST START WITH ON BUILDINGS ONE AND THREE LIKE YOU HAVE, IF THAT'S OKAY. UM, THE HIGHWAY ONE 70 ELEVATIONS MUST APPEAR AS FRONT FACING ELEVATIONS I'M FACING. IF, UH, IF THE BAHAMAS SHUTTERS ARE USED, UH, THEY SHOULD EXPLORE LENGTHENING THEM OR, AND OR IT SHOULD BE STEEPER LONGER. YEAH. IN ORDER TO CONCEAL THE FALSE PANELS BEHIND THEM FROM VIEW. AND THAT SHOULD BE CONSISTENT AROUND THE WHOLE PROPERTY. SHE, I THINK YOU NEED TO PUT, THEY SHOULD BE STEEPER. IT SHOULD, YOU NEED TO BE IN THERE, I GUESS. THANK YOU. AND, AND THIS MUST BE CONSISTENT WITH ALL, ALL THROUGH ALL BUILDINGS. YOU GUYS GET WHAT THEY'RE SAYING THERE, RIGHT? YEAH. YEAH. SAME. YEAH, THAT IT'LL BE EASIER FOR YOUR PERSON TO INSTALL THEM. STAND OFF LIKE FIVE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. OKAY. UM, THE NEXT ONE WAS THE GARAGE DOORS FACING HIGHWAY ONE 70 OR, UH, SO THAT'S GARAGE TWO AND FOUR. MUST BE NOT FOUR, NOT FOUR. GARAGE FOUR MUST BE FRONT FACING. AND HOW THEY DO THAT, I THINK THAT'S A FAIRLY SIMPLE FIX FOR THAT. I MEAN WE TALKED ABOUT SOLUTIONS, SO IT'S JUST HOWEVER YOU GUYS WOULD JUST MAKE SURE YOU SAY THE ONE 70 FACING ELEVATION. SO ON ONE 70. YEAH, THE ONE 70. YEAH. THAT'S RE'S FRONT FACING. SO THAT'S IMPLYING THAT THE THREE DOORS NEEDS TO CHANGE TO A ONE DOOR. THAT IS A SOLUTION. THAT IS A, YEAH, THAT'S A SOLUTION. YEAH. I MEAN IF THEY COME UP WITH SOMETHING DIFFERENT AND IT STILL APPEARS TO BE FRONT FACING. SO BUILDING C, THIS IS UH, THE, THIS IS THE RISER ROOM. MM-HMM. . UM, FOR, I THINK WE, BUT I THINK THAT'S COVERED WITH THE ARTICULATION OF THE METER BANKS, METER BANKS, LIKE YEAH, I THINK THAT ONE WENT AWAY. OKAY. SHOULD TALK, UH, CLARIFY THAT ELEVATIONS A ONE AND A TWO ARE THE SAME IN THE PLAN SET. SIMILAR. I THINK LIBBY WAS, YEAH, WE DIDN'T LIKE THE WORD SIMILAR BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT NECESSARILY, WELL I THINK IF YOU'RE GETTING THE FRONT FACING ELEVATIONS TO REVIEW, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU NEED TO. I THINK THAT THERE'S A COUPLE OTHER ELEVATIONS THAT ARE MISSING TOO. I THINK WE NEED TO, EVEN THOUGH WE'RE REVIEWING ONE 70 SPECIFICALLY, WE NEED ALL UNIQUE ELEVATIONS OF ALL BUILDINGS. AND IF THEY ARE THE SAME, THEN PLEASE JUST CALL THEM A ONE AND A TWO OR HOWEVER YOU WANNA LABEL IT. BUT NOT SIMILAR, BUT SOMEHOW POSSIBLY DIFFERENT. A LITTLE CONFUSING. YEAH. COMMISSIONER , ALL OF THE THINGS THAT ARE LISTED IN THE DRC ARE THOSE CONDITIONS THAT I DIDN'T ADDRESS ALL OF THEM. [01:40:04] I'LL ASK STAFF. UH, FOR THE DRC, THE LIGHTING FIXTURES PROVIDED FOR THE POOL AREA PROVIDE LIGHTING FIXTURE DETAILS INCLUDING POSTS FOR ALL EXTERIOR LIGHTS. TENSION. THEY HAVE DONE THAT. WE HAVEN'T DONE THAT. UM, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SOME ELEVATIONS WERE NOT PROVIDED. SO WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THAT. MM-HMM. . UM, THERE IS A METAL ROOF INDICATED IN SOME LOCATIONS. I SAW THERE WAS STANDING SEAM SOMEWHERE WRITTEN OR NO. WHAT, WHAT WAS THE METAL ROOF? UH, THERE WAS AN OLD COMMENT AND WE REVISED IT ON THE DRAWINGS. AND YOU ASKED US TO, AND I'M TRYING TO FIGURE YOU, YOU ASKED US TO WRITE STANDING SEAM METAL ROOF. YEAH, IT WAS EITHER STANDING SEAM OR FIVE FEET. SO THEY PICKED STANDING SEA COULD DO THAT. SO THAT'S DONE, THAT'S ADDRESSED. YEAH. I THOUGHT I SAW IT IN YOUR DRAWING. IT IS ON THE DRAWING. YEAH. GENERALLY THIS IS GOOD TO TO CHECK, BUT GENERALLY THEY ARE CHECKED OFF BY STAFF BEFORE THEY SEE US OR THERE. WELL WE WERE STILL MISSING THE ELEVATION. YEAH. ZEN BRICK SIDING, THE SECOND FLOOR, WE TALKED ABOUT THAT. UM, ARCHITECTURAL, UH, LOW COUNTRY REGION, WE'VE KIND OF TALKED ABOUT THAT WITH NON OPERABLE SHUTTERS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. THERE WAS SOMETHING ABOUT COLORS. THERE WAS, BUT WE THEY HAVE TAKEN THAT COLOR OFF OF THAT ELEVATION, CORRECT? MM-HMM, . SO THEY HAD ONE WALL BEHIND THE SCREEN PORCH, TELL ME IF I'M WRONG, THAT WAS PAINTED A DARKER COLOR THAT WASN'T AN APPROVED COLOR, BUT THEY'VE SINCE REVISED THAT AND THAT IS NO LONGER THAT COLOR. IT'S THE SAME AS THE REST OF THE BUILDING, CORRECT? CORRECT. THE LAST ONE IS FENCING, UH, REAR GARAGES. WE, THEY'VE DONE THAT. UM, FENCING PROPOSED PROVIDE DETAILS AND I'M SURE THOSE ARE IN THE LANDSCAPE AREA, RIGHT? FENCING DETAILS. UM, WE HAVE, THEY HAVE PROVIDED THAT, UH, WITH THE DUMPSTER. UM, AND I DON'T BELIEVE THAT THERE'S ANY OTHER FENCING. WE'RE GOOD SHOWN ON THE PLAN. OKAY, GOOD. ALRIGHT, SO, SO WHAT ELSE WE GOT? UM, DAN DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE? WE ALREADY ADDRESSED THE BRICK WRAPPING AROUND THE BUILDING. WE DID, YES. WE'RE FINE WITH IT. AS OUR PLAN SAYS, NEEDS TO INCLUDE ALL UNIQUE ELEVATIONS. I GUESS THAT'S OUR LAST ONE. LAST ONE, YEAH. WE HAVE THAT. YEAH, THAT'S IT. AWESOME. OKAY, SO WITH THAT, SO I WANNA MAKE A MOTION, I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE WITH THE, THE APPLICATION FOR COFA OH 9 24 0 1 9 3 2 2 WITH THE CONDITIONS STATED IN THE ALTERNATIVE MOTION WITH PC CONDITIONS, UM, CONDITIONS ONE THROUGH NINE. AYE. DO YOU HAVE A SECOND THAT MIKE SECOND. ANY FURTHER DISCRETION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE A AYE. ANY OPPOSED? NO. OKAY. WE LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING THE REST OF IT. YES. THANK YOU. YES, WE GOT A LITTLE BIT OF WORK TO DO. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ITEM NUMBER TWO, [VII.2. Adoption of 2025 Planning Commission Meeting Dates: (Staff - Dan Frazier)] ADOPTION OF THE 2025 PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING. DATES HAVE TO GO TOO. I THINK WE GET A PLE BREAK. , I THINK THAT EVERYBODY'S PROBABLY OKAY WITH THESE. ANYONE HAVE A DISCUSSION ON THAT? NO. NO, NO. SO MAY I HAVE, IT'S A MOTION RIGHT TO ADOPT, I MOVE TO ADOPT THE MEETING AND APPLICATION SUBMISSION SCHEDULE AS WRITTEN. SECOND. SECOND. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR A AYE NOTE, CHARLIE DID NOT VOTE, HE HAS WALKED AWAY. NUMBER THREE, ADOPTION OF 2025. [VII.3. Adoption of 2025 Development Review Committee Meeting Dates: (Staff - Dan Frazier)] DEVELOPMENT REVIEW COMMITTEE MEETING DATES. EVERYONE OKAY WITH ALL OF THAT? DO HAVE A MOTION? SO MOVED. SECOND. SECOND, SECOND. OKAY. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR A SAY AYE. AYE. CHARLIE WHITMORE IS NOT PRESENT AND WE'VE BEEN WAITING FOR YOU. AND THIS IS A DISCUSSION [VIII.1. Discussion of Amendments to the Town of Bluffton’s Southern Lowcountry Stormwater Design Manual and Post-Construction Stormwater Ordinance: (Staff - Andrea Moreno)] FOR, FOR, UH, AMENDMENTS TO THE TOWN OF BLUP IN SOCO OR NO SOCO, BUT SOUTHERN LOW COUNTRY STORMWATER. YES. I'M TRYING TO READ OFF. UM, ANDREA? YES, I'M ANDREA. ANDREA MORENO, I'M THE MS BOARD FOR YOU, BUT THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME. I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME. UM, WE APPRECIATE YOU WAITING. WELL NO, YOU'RE GOOD. SO THIS IS GONNA BE STARK CONTRAST FROM EVERYTHING THAT YOU'VE TALKED ABOUT TONIGHT. SO, AND FEEL FREE TO LIKE JUMP IN AND INTERRUPT ME IF I GET TO ANYTHING TOO TECHNICAL. IT'S HABIT, SO JUST I'LL FIX IT. UM, BASICALLY AS AMANDA MENTIONED, WE ARE PROPOSING AMENDMENTS TO OUR, UM, SOUTHERN LOW COUNTRY STORMWATER DESIGN MANUAL AND POST-CONSTRUCTION ORDINANCE. AND THE, IT IS AN APPEND TO THE UDO. SO WHEN WE PROVIDE THESE AMENDMENTS [01:45:01] TO COUNCIL, COUNCIL FOR ADOPTION, IT'LL BE ADOPTED VIA RESOLUTION, WHICH IS WHY WE'RE INSTEAD OF LOOKING FOR RECOMMENDATION, IT'S PURELY DISCUSSION AND FEEDBACK. SO AS WE GO THROUGH THESE LATE ON YOU, UM, SO KIND OF SOME BACKGROUND JUST BECAUSE I KNOW YOU GUYS AREN'T, SOME OF YOU ARE SUPER FAMILIAR LISTENING TO SAM EVERY WEEK AT DRC, BUT I'M NOT SUPER FAMILIAR WITH STORM WATER. SO AN MS FOUR. SO IT'S A MUNICIPAL SEPARATE STORM SEWER SYSTEM. BASICALLY WHAT THAT MEANS IS AROUND HERE WE DO NOT HAVE A COMBINED TREATMENT FOR SEWER IN SANTER OR UM, STORM WATER, RIGHT? THEY'RE SEPARATE. SO OUR STORM WATER SYSTEM DOES NOT RECEIVE ANY TREATMENT BEFORE DISCHARGING INTO STORMWATER OR INTO THE RIVERS. OKAY? SO THE TREATMENT THAT THEY RECEIVE AHEAD OF TIME, INSTEAD OF GOING THROUGH A TREATMENT FACILITY IS ALL OF OUR BMPS OR OUR BEST MANAGEMENT PRACTICES. NOW WHEN THE REGIONAL BOARD, SO REGIONAL BOARD GOT TOGETHER, THEY CAME UP WITH THE THOUGHT OF STANDARDIZING COMING UP A SET STANDARD FOR STORMWATER DESIGN AND GUIDELINES. SO WHAT THE RESULT WAS, WAS OUR UM, STORMWATER DESIGN MANUAL AND THIS WAS ADOPTED IN SEPTEMBER OF 2021. AND BASICALLY ITS PURPOSE WAS TO IMPROVE WATER QUALITY THROUGH UM, RUNOFF REDUCTION TO THE MAXIMUM EXTENT PRACTICAL OR MEP AND THEN PREVENT DOWNSTREAM STREAM BANK AND CHANNEL EROSION, REDUCE DOWNSTREAM OVERBANK FLOODING AND SAFELY PASS OR REDUCE RUNOFF FROM EXTREME STORM EVENTS. SO AGAIN, WITH SOME BACKGROUND, UM, WE ARE LOOKING TO ALIGN BETTER ALIGN OURSELVES WITH SOME OF THE OTHER SGO PARTNERS, NAMELY BEFOR COUNTY AND ALSO ALIGN WITH UDO LANGUAGE THAT WAS PASSED IN DAN, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, APRIL AND MAY I BELIEVE THIS YEAR THAT BETTER SUPPORTS STUFF WE'RE TRYING TO DO AND SOME OF THE LANGUAGE IS LIKE VERBATIM IN THE DESIGN MANUAL AS IT IS IN UDO. SO THAT'S JUST TRYING TO MATCH IT. UM, WE'RE ALSO TRYING TO PROVIDE CLARIFICATIONS ON IMPLEMENTATION OF STORMWATER PRACTICES, UM, ENHANCE OUR ENFORCEMENT CAPABILITIES THROUGH OF OUR POST-CONSTRUCTION PROGRAM OF THESE PREM MS FOUR COMMUNITIES. AND JUST AS A REMINDER, WE BECAME AN MS FOUR. WE AS IN THE TOWN BECAME AN MS FOUR IN 2015. SO WE'VE BEEN DOING POST-CONSTRUCTION INSPECTION AND MAINTENANCE OF ANYTHING BUILT AFTER 2015. UM, BUT THIS, THROUGH THESE EDITS IT'LL GIVE US ENFORCEMENT OF, WELL ANYTHING PRE 2015 PRETTY MUCH. UM, WE'RE ALSO PROMOTING THE USE OF BETTER SITE DESIGN PRINCIPLES THROUGH CREDITS TOWARDS MEETING STORMWATER RETENTION VOLUME REQUIREMENT VOLUME REQUIREMENTS. AND UM, WE WERE HOPING TO ESTABLISH A MECHANISM FOR STORM WATER RETENTION VOLUME FEE IN LIEU. AND THEN THERE'S ALSO JUST MULTIPLE HOUSEKEEPING EDITS LIKE SCRIBNERS ERRORS THAT, UM, WERE OVERLOOKED BEFORE THEY WERE ADOPTED. AND I'LL GET INTO EACH OF THESE. SO AGAIN WITH SAY PROVIDING CLARIFICATION ON IMPLEMENTATION OF STORMWATER PRACTICES, JUST A COUPLE EXAMPLES. YOU KNOW, WE'VE, SINCE THAT'S BEEN THREE YEARS SINCE IT WAS ADOPTED AND WE'RE JUST TRYING TO BETTER ALIGN THE INTENT OF THE MANUAL WITH WHAT'S HAPPENING OUT IN THE FIELD. UM, HAVE A MORE REALISTIC APPROACH I GUESS YOU COULD SAY. SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE HOPING TO CHANGE IS OUR 10% ANALYSIS. AND WHAT THAT IS IS BASICALLY ENGINEERS, I WAS GONNA SAY DEVELOPERS APPLICANTS ARE REQUIRED TO ANALYZE 10% OF THE WATERSHED FROM DOWNSTREAM OF THEIR SITE TO SHOW THAT THIS DEVELOPMENT ISN'T GONNA HAVE ANY NEGATIVE IMPACTS ON DOWNSTREAM PROPERTIES WATERSHEDS. UM, THERE IS ALSO THE REQUIREMENT THAT SITES DETAIN MEETING HOLD UP TO THE A HUNDRED YEAR STORM. SO BASICALLY PRIOR TO ADOPTION OF THE MANUAL, IT WAS 25 YEAR JUST TO GIVE YOU A ROOM REFERENCE. UM, SO SOMETIMES IT CAN BE CONFLICTING. SO WHEN WE TELL PEOPLE YOU NEED TO ATTAIN FOR THE A HUNDRED YEAR, IT COULD ACTUALLY MEAN THAT THROUGH THAT 10% ANALYSIS IT CAN BE DETRIMENTAL TO THE OVERALL WATERSHED. AND OBVIOUSLY THAT'S NOT OUR INTENT, RIGHT? OUR FOCUS IS ON THE WATERSHED. SO WE HAVE PROPOSED AMENDING THE 10% ANALYSIS LANGUAGE SO THAT IF THEY CAN SHOW THROUGH THEIR ANALYSIS THAT DETAINING THE A HUNDRED YEAR IS DETRIMENTAL TO THE OVERALL WATERSHED, THEY DON'T HAVE TO DO IT. OKAY? UM, WE'RE ALSO JUST AS AN EXAMPLE, UM, AMENDING DESIGN SPEC SPECIFICATIONS FOR BIO RETENTIONS OR RAIN GARDENS TO REMOVE THE SEASONAL HIGH WATER TABLE AS A LIMITING FACTOR. SO THESE PRACTICES CAN BE MORE WIDELY USED AS WE KNOW OUR AREA, ESPECIALLY THE SITES THAT ARE LEFT AROUND HERE ARE POOR SOILS AND THE HIGH WATER TABLE, RIGHT? SO IT MAKES IT PRETTY LIMITING WHAT BMPS CAN BE THERE. BUT WE DON'T WANT PEOPLE TO SAY, OH WELL WE HAVE BAD SOILS AND WE HAVE THE BAD OR HIGH WATER [01:50:01] TABLE, SO SORRY, WE CAN'T DO ANYTHING, RIGHT? SO THIS IS JUST A WAY TO KIND OF MEET IN THE MIDDLE, IF YOU WILL, SO THAT PEOPLE ARE STILL HAVING AN OPPORTUNITY TO DO THESE INFILTRATION INFILTRATION PRACTICES THAT WE WANNA SEE. UM, OKAY, SO THEN WE'RE ALSO GOING TO AGAIN EXPAND OUR POST-CONSTRUCTION PROGRAM TO ENCOMPASS BEYOND MS FOUR COMMUNITIES. THE 1991 SEDIMENT REDUCTION ACT BASICALLY STIPULATES THAT THE STATE OR AN ACTING INSPECTION AGENCY CAN ENFORCE MAINTENANCE AND ENFORCE MAINTENANCE OF, UM, THESE COMMUNITIES THAT ARE BASICALLY BILL AFTER 1992. IT'S ALWAYS EXISTED TECHNICALLY THE TOWN HAS ALWAYS HAD THE CAPABILITY OF DOING SO, BUT WITHOUT EXPLICITLY REFERENCING IT IN OUR POST-CONSTRUCTION ORDINANCE, YOU KNOW, THE LEGAL THING. SO WHAT THIS MEANS IS, AGAIN, WE'RE LOOKING AT THESE PREM MS FOUR COMMUNITIES, HAMPTON HALL, HAMPTON LAKE, THE FARM, YOU KNOW, 'EM, UM, PRETTY MUCH EVERYTHING IN TOWN THAT IS HAVING ISSUES, RIGHT? SO WE ARE RECEIVING SOME, UM, ANNUAL INSPECTION REPORTS. HAMPTON LAKE AND THE FARM DO PROVIDE THEM. BUT WITH THESE MANUAL CHANGES, EVERY COMMUNITY INCLUDING COMMERCIAL, IT'S NOT JUST RESIDENTIAL WILL BE REQUIRED TO SUBMIT THEM. UM, WHAT IT MEANS IS THAT THEY'LL JUST BE KIND OF ROPED INTO OUR POST-CONSTRUCTION PROGRAM. UH, MEANING THAT WE WILL REACH OUT AND SAY, HEY EVERYBODY, 'CAUSE OBVIOUSLY THEY'RE NOT EXPECTING THIS, YOU ARE NOW REQUIRED TO GIVE US YOUR INSPECTION REPORTS SHOWING US THAT YOU HAVE TAKEN A LOOK AT YOUR STORMWATER SYSTEM AND SHOWN THAT TO BE FUNCTIONED PROPERLY AND EVERYTHING LIKE THAT. OR IF THEY'VE SHOWN THAT, YOU KNOW, DEFICIENCIES ARE THERE, THAT THEY HAVE THAT BASICALLY THEY'RE GONNA GIVE US THEIR OUTLINE, FIRST STEPS TO FIX IT. UM, IF THEY DON'T GIVE US ANYTHING, THEN IT'LL JUST TRIGGER, UM, OUR, OUR STAFF INSPECTION TO GO OUT AND FIND IT. AND THEN, YOU KNOW, ASSUMING DEFICIENCIES ARE TO BE IDENTIFIED, THEY'LL RECEIVE AN OS A VIOLATION AND KIND OF FOLLOW OUR SOP UM, IF THEY DON'T FIX ANYTHING. SAME WITH OUR CURRENT POST-CONSTRUCTION PROGRAM. IT FOLLOWS ARTICLE EIGHT OF THE UDO, WHICH OUTLINES ALL THE PENALTIES AND ENFORCEMENT. SO AGAIN, IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT THE TOWN COULDN'T HAVE EVER DONE BEFORE, BUT CERTAINLY IT'S BENEFICIAL TO HAVE IT SPECIFICALLY OUTLINED IN OUR ORDINANCE THAT WE WILL BE DOING THIS. UM, THE NEXT THING IS PROMOTING THE USE OF BETTER SITE DESIGN PRINCIPLES THROUGH CREDITS TOWARDS MEETING STORMWATER RETENTION VOLUME REQUIREMENTS. SO IN THE MANUAL ALWAYS EXISTED A CONSERVATION AREA. NOW WHAT APPLICANTS HAVE TO DO WHEN THEY SUBMIT FOR STORMWATER IS FILL OUT OUR, IT'S CALLED A COMPLIANCE CALCULATOR. IT'S AN AN EXCEL SPREADSHEET WHERE YOU PLUG AND SHUG AND THEY DEVELOP BASED ON THEIR SITES, THEIR SIZE OF THE SITE, THE SOILS, UM, PRE-DEVELOPMENT AND POST-DEVELOPMENT LAND TOTALS, HOW MUCH STORM WATER RETENTION VOLUME THEY'RE REQUIRED TO RETAIN ONSITE. BUT THE CONSERVATION AREA PIECE THAT'S ALWAYS BEEN OUR MANUAL WAS NEVER APPLIED AS A CREDIT IN THE COMPLIANCE CALCULATOR ITSELF. SO THIS CHANGE IS JUST PUTTING THAT CONSERVATION AREA INTO THE CALCULATOR SO THAT THERE REALLY IS AN INCENTIVE FOR DEVELOPERS TO CONSERVE AREAS OF LAND AS NATURAL COVER OR RE-VEGETATE THEM AS NATURAL COVER. OKAY, SO IN THIS GRAPHIC HERE, BASICALLY WHAT WE'RE SHOWING IS IN PLAN A, YOU'VE GOT A FIVE ACRE SITE WITH D SOILS, WHICH IS BAD SOILS, UM, 35% IMPERVIOUS, AND THEN 5% IS YOUR BNP, YOUR BEST MANAGEMENT PRACTICE. AND DON'T PAY TOO MUCH ATTENTION TO THE BLUE. IT MAKES YOU THINK POND, BUT IT COULD BE ANY STORMWATER BNP, RIGHT? SO WE'RE LOOKING AT BASICALLY THEY'RE JUST SAYING THAT ALL THEIR COVER IS MANAGED TURF. WELL THEN THAT MEANS THEY'RE GONNA HAVE A LARGER BNP THAT'S REQUIRED TO BE ON THEIR SITE VERSUS IF YOU GO DOWN THROUGH PLAN B AND PLAN C, UM, WHEN THEY CONVERT IT FROM AN OPEN SPACE TO A CONSERVATION AREA, IT'S GREATLY REDUCING THE SIZE OF THAT BNP. AND THEN OBVIOUSLY, OBVIOUSLY SAVING TREES, RIGHT? SOMETIMES THINGS CAN BE, WE FOUND THAT, YOU KNOW, WE NEVER WANT OUR STORM WATER STANDARDS TO BE IN CONFLICT WITH TREE STANDARDS. AND SO THIS IS HOPEFULLY A WAY WHERE THEY CAN REALLY TRULY MEET THAT STORM WATER RETENTION VOLUME WITHOUT HAVING TO REMOVE A TREE TO PUT IN A BMP. UM, ALSO SOMETHING THAT HAS BEEN OUTLINED IN THE, UM, STORMWATER DESIGN MANUAL, BUT THE MECHANISM TO INCORPORATE IT HAS NEVER BEEN ESTABLISHED IS THE FEE IN LIEU. SO JUST SOME BACKGROUND REALLY QUICK. SO WHEN, UM, AN APPLICANT COMES IN AND SAY THEY DO HAVE HORRIBLE SITE CONSTRAINTS, MEANING IT'S A HIGH WATER, USUALLY IT'S A HIGH WATER TABLE AND [01:55:01] POOR SOILS, UM, OR JUST EVEN SIZE OF THE SITE CAN BE A, UH, CONSTRAINT THAT THEY SUBMIT FOR AN MEPA MAXIMUM EXTENT PRACTICAL SUBMITTAL. ESSENTIALLY THERE ARE 11 CRITERIA. THE 11TH ONE IS TO BE IN LIE. SO REALLY BEFORE, BEFORE THIS IS ADOPTED, WE'VE GOT 10 CRITERIA THAT THEY HAVE TO MEET TO SHOW, GIVE BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT THAT THEY HAVE TRIED EVERYTHING THEY CAN TO MEET OUR STORMWATER DESIGN STANDARDS THE BEST THEY CAN. WELL THAT'S GREAT AND THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW. BUT THE FEE IN LIEU BASICALLY ESTABLISHES A FEE TO PAY FOR THAT SHORTFALL AND RETENTION VOLUME. UM, WHAT THOSE FEES THEN WOULD DO DO IS BE PUT INTO A STORMWATER FUND SO THAT STAFF COULD IMPLEMENT PROJECTS IN THAT SAME WATERSHED, KINDA MAKE UP THE DIFFERENCE, RIGHT? BMPS. NOW THE FEE IN LIEU ITSELF, THE UNIT COST WOULD BE THE UNIT COST OF RETENTION VOLUME. SO REALLY IT'S A, WE HAVE THAT UNIT COST AND WHATEVER THEY AREN'T ABLE TO KEEP ON THEIR SITE, THEY THEN PAY THAT TOWARDS THE STORMWATER FUND. UM, IT'S NOT MEANT TO BE A PAY THIS IN, YOU MAY GO, IT IS NOT MEANT TO BE THAT WAY AT ALL. IF ANYTHING, UM, WE HAVE THE ROUGH CALCULATIONS IDENTIFIED THAT IF NOTHING ELSE, THIS WILL PUSH THEM EVEN HARDER TO MEET OUR RESTORE WATER RETENTION VOLUME REQUIREMENTS. WHICH IS GOOD BECAUSE AGAIN, THE 10 CRITERIA THAT CURRENTLY EXISTS STAFF, IT VERY MUCH FEELS LIKE A CHECK THE BOX. LIKE IF THEY'VE DONE THOSE 10 THINGS, THEN THEY'VE DEMONSTRATED IT, THEN WE JUST SAY, OKAY, BUT THERE'S NOTHING FOR US WITHOUT THIS FEE IN LIEU TO REALLY SAY YOU NEED TO DO THIS MUCH MORE OR YOU WILL PAY INTO THIS FUND. RIGHT? SO HOPEFULLY, YOU KNOW, WE'RE EXCITED ABOUT THIS. THE FEE IN LIEU ITSELF, THE COST, BECAUSE IT'LL BE BASED ON, YOU KNOW, AVERAGE COST OF LAND COST TO CONSTRUCT A BMP COST TO MAINTAIN A BMP DESIGN, PERMITTING ALL THAT. IT WILL BE PART OF THE MASTER FEE SCHEDULE. SO THAT WON'T BE UNTIL FISCAL YEAR 26 THAT THAT WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, GO THROUGH COUNCIL THROUGH THE BUDGET CYCLE SO THAT THIS IS JUST THE TEXT PIECE, BUT THE PHYSICAL DOLLAR AMOUNT THAT THAT UNIT COST, THAT IS PART OF THE, THAT'LL BE MASTER, PART OF THE MASTER FEE SCHEDULE AND THEN UPDATED YEARLY JUST AS YOU KNOW, WITH REGULAR BUDGET. SO IT HOPEFULLY WILL ALWAYS REFLECT CURRENT COSTS. JUST WANTED TO GIVE YOU THAT. UM, AND THEN WE HAVE AGAIN, JUST THE MULTIPLE HOUSEKEEPING EDITS THAT DON'T CHANGE ANYTHING REGULATORY WISE. UM, FOR EXAMPLE, WE HAVE SEVERAL APPENDICES THAT LIKE WEREN'T EVEN REFLECTED, LIKE REFERENCED AT ALL IN THE MANUAL. UM, SEVERAL THINGS THAT AS IT'S A REGIONAL MANUAL, OUR INTENT WAS ALWAYS TO KEEP IT AS BROAD AND ALMOST AS VAGUE AS POSSIBLE SO THAT IT COULD BE REFLECTIVE OF BEAUFORT COUNTY, IT COULD BE REFLECTIVE OF JASPER COUNTY IF THEY WERE ABLE TO TAKE IT ON. BUT WE HAVE IDENTIFIED THROUGH, YOU KNOW, COMMENT RECEIVED BY APPLICANTS THAT THEY, THEY FEEL LIKE IT'S ALMOST MISLEADING BECAUSE THEY WOULD LIKE SOMETHING MORE TOWN SPECIFIC TO THE PROCESS. SO WE'VE ALSO IMPLEMENTED THAT. UM, BUT YEAH, SO, UM, LIKE I KIND OF MENTIONED, WE HAVE ALREADY GONE THROUGH TWO ROUNDS OF PUBLIC COMMENT WITH, UM, DESIGN COMMUNITY AND WE'VE MET WITH A TECHNICAL, TECHNICAL SUBCOMMITTEE TO MAKE SURE THAT ALL OF THESES PARTNERS ARE KIND OF ON BOARD WITH WHAT WE'RE SUGGESTING. UM, AND OBVIOUSLY WE'VE ALREADY, UM, MET WITH OUR CONSULTANTS OUR CONSULTANT WITH CWP CENTER FOR WATERSHED PRODUCTION, THEY ARE THE ORIGINAL AUTHOR OF THE MANUAL. SO IF ANYONE KNOWS THE TRUE INTENT OF THE MANUAL, IT'S THEM. SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THEY WERE INVOLVED IN THE WHOLE PROCESS SO THAT WE, WE ARE GETTING FROM WHAT I, WHAT WE WANTED TO DO AS STAFF, BUT THEN ALSO WHAT APPLICANTS WERE PROVIDING US WASN'T STEERING TOO FAR FROM THAT ORIGINAL INTENT OF THE MANUAL. UM, AND WE'RE HERE. AND THEN OUR NEXT STEPS, SO WE WILL BE GOING TO, UH, THE WIRE SHOULD ACTION PLAN ADVISORY COMMITTEE WAPAC, UM, NEXT MONTH. AND THEN, THEN IT'LL GO IN FRONT OF COUNCIL FOR ADOPTION VIA A RESOLUTION IN FEBRUARY. SO THEN WE'RE HOPING AN IMPLEMENTATION DATE OF MARCH 1ST. ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME, MICHAEL? YES. OKAY. GO FOR IT. . UM, SO A LOT THERE, BUT GOING, GOING BACK A A, A COUPLE THINGS BACK. UM, WHEN, WHEN THE TOWN IS GOING TO REQUIRE, UM, UM, STORM WATER MANAGEMENT PLANS OR IMPLEMENTATIONS FOR THEIR RETENTIONS, UM, MASTER STORMWATER SYSTEMS, UM, SAY LIKE HAMPTON, HAMPTON, HALLS PONDS. MM-HMM. , YOU'RE GONNA REQUIRE THAT. I, I THOUGHT IT'S ALREADY BEEN REQUIRED IN THE PAST BECAUSE I KNOW MY COMMUNITY HAS HAD TO DO INSPECTIONS AND HAD CONSULTANTS COME IN AND REPORT THAT TO THE TOWN. SO THAT WAS JUST A, A PHASE THAT [02:00:01] THEY WERE TRYING IT OUT TO SEE. YES. SO IT'S KIND OF A WONKY THING IN THAT THE UDO, WHICH WAS ADOPTED IN 2011 YEAH. DID OUTLINE AN ANNUAL MAINTENANCE INSPECTION REPORT PROGRAM. UM, AT THE TIME, 'CAUSE I WAS HERE THEN, WELL NOT IN 2011, BUT WHEN I WAS BROUGHT ON, NO ONE WAS DOING POST-CONSTRUCTION INSPECTIONS UNTIL WE BECAME AN MS FOUR. AND IT WAS OH. AND THAT TRIGGERED IT. ONE OF ME OKAY. DOING ALL EROSION SEDIMENT CONTROL POST-CONSTRUCTION. SO IT WAS A STAFFING ISSUE IN THE BEGINNING. RIGHT. AND THEN WE SLOWLY PHASED INTO THE POST-CONSTRUCTION PROGRAM JUST BECAUSE IT'S A BEAR. UM, AND THEN STARTED JUST FOCUSING ON ANYTHING BUILT AFTER 2015 A AN EMAIL DID GO OUT TO EVERYONE YEAH. REQUESTING THEM. UM, AND THEN IT'S CONFUSING 'CAUSE IT DOES, BUT THEN THE KO MANUAL WAS ADOPTED IN 2021. IT REFERENCES A THREE YEAR CYCLE INSTEAD OF AN ANNUAL. AND SO WE WERE LIKE, WELL, I'M NOT GONNA, WE CAN'T HAVE THIS PERSON ON A FIVE YEAR CYCLE, WHICH IS OUR MS FOUR PERMIT CYCLE. YEAH. AND THEN THESE PEOPLE WANT A THREE YEAR SNOW. JUST A THREE YEAR, BUT THERE'S STILL THE ANNUAL INSPECTION OUT THERE SO PEOPLE GET CONFUSED. UM, SO IT WILL BE AN ANNUAL INSPECTION. YEAH. WELL, NO, IT WILL BE ONCE EVERY THREE YEARS. IT'LL BE A THREE YEAR CYCLE. YES. AND REPORT. OH, IT'S NOT IT, WHAT DID YOU SAY? IT WILL BE A THREE, THREE YEAR CYCLE OF REPORTS. OKAY. MM-HMM. . YEAH. SO INSPECTION REPORTS. YEAH. OKAY. SO OBVIOUSLY WE WOULD STILL RECOMMEND AN ANNUAL OVERVIEW OF YOUR SYSTEM. RIGHT. WE ARE NOT EXPECTING ANYTHING TO BE SUBMITTED TO US UNTIL ONCE EVERY THREE YEARS. GOTCHA. SO IT'S GONNA BE A FUN TIME TRYING TO KEEP UP WITH ALL THAT. RIGHT. YEAH. OKAY. WE'RE LOOKING AT LIKE INCORPORATING THESE POST 1992 STORMWATER PONDS. 'CAUSE THAT'S REALLY WHAT THEY WERE. UM, WE'RE LOOKING AT ADDING IN LIKE 316 PONDS INTO OUR, UM, INVENTORY. YOU SOUND HIGHER. SO, SO EVEN IF IT'S IN A, UM, A, A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT THAT HAS A MASTER STORM SYSTEM MM-HMM. ARE INDIVIDUAL LOTS GOING TO BE REQUIRED TO DO THE, THE, IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU'RE GONNA, YOU'RE GONNA REQUIRE THE DUFORT COUNTY STORMWATER CALCS OR THE, THE, THE, FOR THE, UM, SPREADSHEET. IS THAT GONNA BE REQUIRED THE SAME SORT OF PROCESS THAT THE COUNTY REQUIRES FOR INDIVIDUAL LOTS FOR NEW DEVELOPMENT? YES. YES. SO OUR CRITERIA IS IF YOU EXCEED 5,000 SQUARE FEET OF LAND DISTURBANCE, WHICH DOES MATCH THE COUNTIES. YEAH. THE YES. YEAH. YEAH. THAT'S, THAT'S A CURRENT REQUIREMENT. THAT'S NOT, THAT SAID, THAT'S NOT A NEW THING. OKAY. YEAH. BUT THAT'S GONNA BE, WELL, IT'S GONNA BE, IT'S GONNA BE ENFORCED THROUGH STORMWATER PERMING. IT ALREADY IS. OKAY. YEAH. BUT TO YOUR POINT, LIKE LET'S SAY AN INDIVIDUAL INDIVIDUAL LOT REQUIRES A RAIN GARDEN. YES. WE WILL THEN BE INSPECTING IT. OKAY. EVERY THREE YEARS. MINIMAL SIZE. YES. THE SAME AS COUNTIES. NOW A STIPULATION IN THAT, JUST TO CLARIFY, 'CAUSE I THINK I, WHERE YOU'RE GOING, WE ARE NOT REQUIRING INDIVIDUAL HOMEOWNERS THAT HAVE RAIN GARDENS TO BE PROVIDING US WITH OKAY. THERE, BUT WE HAVE THE RIGHT TO, UM, AN AUTHORITY TO INSPECT AND WE, WE REACH OUT. IT, IT'S NOT LIKE WE SHOW UP AND WE'RE LIKE, HEY, LET ME SEE YOUR RING GARDEN. RIGHT. WE REACH OUT AND LIKE TELL THEM EVERYTHING THEY NEED TO KNOW ABOUT HOW TO MAINTAIN IT. OH, IT'S LIKE A YOU WANT ME TO EXPLAIN IT? YEAH, GO AHEAD. THANK. OKAY. NO, IT'S FINE. I WANNA KNOW. YEAH. SO, UM, OKAY. A GOOD EXAMPLE IF YOU'VE DRIVEN DOWN BOUNDARY, LIKE AT ALL IN THE PAST TWO YEARS, UM, DUBOSE PARK, THERE'S A SHALLOW DEPRESSION THERE WITH PLANTINGS INSIDE OF IT. RAIN GARDEN, UM, RIGHT IN FRONT OF THE A ME CHURCH RAIN GARDEN. IT'S JUST, THERE ARE DEPRESSIONS THAT ARE MEANT TO HOLD WATER FOR UP TO SEVEN TWO HOURS AND THEN INFILTRATE. BUT THEY HAVE LIKE AQUATIC PLANTINGS INSIDE OF IT. THEY'RE VERY AESTHETICALLY PLEASING. KEEPING FRESHWATER FROM GETTING THE SALT WATER RECORDS. MS. MS. RENO. MM-HMM. TWO QUESTIONS. YES. YOU SAID ONCE EVERY THREE YEARS HAMPTON LAKE IS PROVIDING YOU AN INSPECTION EVERY YEAR. YEAH. SO A LOT OF PEOPLE, BECAUSE THE UDO LANGUAGE REFLECTS THAT ANNUAL MAINTENANCE INSPECTION AND THEIR DESIGN MANUAL SAYS EVERY THREE YEARS PEOPLE HAVE BEEN STILL SUBMITTING ONE. SO YOU'LL BE TELLING HIM TO LIKE, THEY DON'T HAVE TO DO THAT. YES. EVERY YEAR. NUMBER ONE, NUMBER TWO QUESTION REAL QUICK. UM, FEE AND LOU SOUNDS WONDERFUL. ARE WE TALKING DOLLARS? AND I ASKED THIS OF DAN DOLLARS, THOUSANDS, TENS OF THOUSANDS OR HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS. WE DON'T WANNA MAKE IT TOO EASY FOR PEOPLE TO SAY YEAH, NO, NO. JUST ROUGHLY. I I DON'T NEED IT. EXACTLY. I'M I, YEAH. AND THE REASON WHY I AM HESITANT TO THROW OUT ON THE NUMBER FOR THE UNIT COST IS BECAUSE, WELL, IT HAS TO GO THROUGH THE BUDGET, RIGHT? MM-HMM. . UM, AND THAT NUMBER IS GOING TO FLUCTUATE BECAUSE THE COST OF EVERYTHING GOES UP. RIGHT. AND IT'S TOUGH TOO BECAUSE AGAIN, THE MEP SUBMITTALS THAT WE HAVE RECEIVED AND APPROVED SO FAR ARE ONLY REALLY BEEN LOOKING AT THOSE ONE THROUGH 10 CRITERIA. MM-HMM. . SO [02:05:01] NOT SURE IF IT'S TRULY REFLECTIVE OF A SITE. IF WE GOT TODAY THAT HAD, AND WE HAD A FEE IN LIE ESTABLISHED, IF THEY WOULD BE OKAY WITH, LIKE, LET'S JUST SAY A SITE HAS 22,000 REQUIRED CUBIC VOLUME. RIGHT. AND THEN THEY COME IN AND THEY SAY, WELL, WE CAN'T, I SHOULDN'T SAY THAT. WE, WE CANNOT BECAUSE OF, YOU KNOW, WE APPROVED IT. RIGHT. SO IT'S NOT LIKE THEY CAN JUST SAY THAT, BUT IT'S SAY THEY COULD ONLY DO A THOUSAND. WELL, THAT MASSIVE GAP, THAT DIFFERENCE IN SWRV RETENTION VOLUME IS PAID, IS BASICALLY MULTIPLIED BY THE UNIT COST. AND WE HAVE RUN THE NUMBERS, AND AGAIN, IT'S NOT ACCURATE BECAUSE I'M NOT HOLDING ATTENTION. YEAH, NO, IT'S, I JUST DON'T KNOW IF, IF IT'S A DOG OR AN ELEPHANT. IT'S AN ELEPHANT. OKAY. IT'S AN ELEPHANT. OKAY. IT'S A BIG, BIG ELEPHANT HERD OF ELEPHANTS. THE WAY SHE'S IT, IT, I MEAN, IT WAS SHOCKING TO STAFF, BUT IT'S NOT A BAD THING BECAUSE TO YOUR POINT THAT'S ABSOLUTELY CORRECT. WE DIDN'T, THIS IS THE INTENT IS TO NEVER MAKE IT. SO IT'S A, OH, HERE'S TAKE MY MONEY, WE'RE GONNA CARRY ON. IF YOU'RE TELLING ME IT'S AN ELEPHANT THAT'S GOOD ENOUGH FOR ME. NO, BUT IT ALSO, IT, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT HAS TO ALSO BE ABLE TO PAY FOR A PROJECT IN THE FUTURE. RIGHT. BUT THEN THAT SAME WATERSHED, WE, THE NUMBER HAS TO MAKE SENSE FOR IT. IT'LL BE A, UM, SHOCK TO SOME, BUT IT'S ALSO, BUT THE INTENT IS TO HAVE DEVELOPMENT CREATE MORE OPEN SPACE AND CONSERVATION LAND. YES. THAT'S THE BIG THROUGH THE, THAT'S THE MAIN PURPOSE OF THE RIGHT OF IT IS TO CREATE MORE OPEN SPACE AND CONSERVATION LAND. YEAH. SOMEWHERE ONE OR ON DEVELOPMENT OR NOT. RIGHT? YEAH. BUT I MEAN, THIS WILL BE, UM, VERY, VERY HELPFUL. CERTAINLY BECAUSE IT DOES ALLOW FOR THAT SPECIAL FUND SO THAT, YOU KNOW, TOWN CAN IMPLEMENT GREEN INFRASTRUCTURE PRACTICES, WHICH GREEN INFRASTRUCTURE JUST CAN MEAN ANYTHING FROM PERMEABLE PAVEMENT TO A RAIN GARDEN TO GREEN ROOF. RIGHT. THERE'S LOTS OF OPTIONS, BUT IT ALLOWS THE FUNDING FOR THOSE OPPORTUNITIES WHERE A DEVELOPER CAN'T DO IT ON THAT PARTICULAR SITE. BUT YEAH, I MEAN THE, IT'LL, IT'LL DEFINITELY, HOPEFULLY, I MEAN THAT'S, I CAN SAY THAT I GUESS THAT RECON FORCE THEM TO RECONSIDER HOW MANY BUILDINGS THEY HAVE AND DOWNSIZING COMPARED TO WHAT IT WOULD COST FOR FEE. AND LI OKAY. MY TURN. YOU THOUGHT I, I WASN'T GONNA SAY ANYTHING. UM, TO, TO PIGGYBACK ON, ON BOTH OF THESE, UM, AND SPECIFICALLY THE HAMPTON LAKE THERE, THERE'S A COMMUNITY THAT I USED TO LIVE IN THAT SHALL REMAIN UNNAMED. MM-HMM. THAT WE HAD A LITTLE DISCUSSION ON YESTERDAY. YES. ONE OF MY CONCERNS ABOUT THIS IS, IF I UNDERSTAND THIS CORRECTLY, AND THIS IS TODAY, YOU CAN DO THIS AND I'M CURIOUS WHAT IT'S GONNA LOOK LIKE WHEN THIS PASSES AND THESE CHANGES ARE ENACTED TODAY. IF I'M ON A BOARD IN A COMMUNITY, I CAN GO GET CERTIFIED TO DO THE INSPECTION. MM-HMM. . SO AS THE BOARD MEMBER, I CAN DO THE INSPECTION AND SUBMIT A REPORT TO THE TOWN. THAT MAY OR MAY NOT BE ACCURATE BECAUSE I DON'T FEEL LIKE DOING THE REPAIRS I MAY HAVE DISCOVERED. AND THERE'S NOTHING THE TOWN NECESSARILY WOULD KNOW ABOUT THAT. SO WHAT I CAN SAY IS THEY ABSOLUTELY CAN GET THAT CERTIFICATION, SAME CERTIFICATION I HAVE. MM-HMM. . UM, WE CURRENTLY DO NOT HAVE ANYTHING THAT STIPULATES THAT THEY HAVE TO BE A THIRD PARTY INSPECTOR. I THINK WE NEED TO LOOK AT THAT. I WILL SAY THAT I I WILL. I AGREE . MM. UM, BUT WE DO HAVE THE ABILITY TO, UM, REACH OUT TO CLEMSON EXTENSION AND REPORT INSPECTORS THAT ARE NOT DOING THEIR JOB AND THEY CAN, THEY CAN HAVE THEIR CERTIFICATION REMOVED. WITHOUT GETTING INTO DETAILS, I HAVE FIRSTHAND KNOWLEDGE OF SELF CERTIFIED PEOPLE THAT WERE INFORMED BY A THIRD PARTY OF WHERE A FAILURE IN THE SYSTEM WAS. MM-HMM. . AND IT HAS BEEN IGNORED TO THIS DAY. UM, THAT WHO WE KEEP THAT FROM HAPPENING ABSENT OF DOING THIRD PARTY. WELL, SO, AND I KNOW WHICH ONE YOU'RE SPEAKING OF, , I THINK END THE DETAILS. THE TOWN STEPPED IN AND WE DID OUR OH TWO ONE HAS BEEN FIXED. THE OTHER ONE STILL HASN'T BEEN FIXED. NO, I'M NOT AWARE OF THE FIRST ONE. BUT WE DID INSPECTIONS OF WHAT WAS BUILT AFTER 2015 BECAUSE THE HOMEOWNER CALLED YOU. YES. MM-HMM. . YES. AGAIN, IT COMES BACK TO, AND THIS IS MY CONCERN ON THIS, AND I, BUT THAT WILL, SO THOSE COMMUNITIES THAT WE GET ROPED IN MM-HMM. THOSE EVERYTHING AFTER NIGHT 2, 19 92, WHICH QUITE FRANKLY, I MEAN I WAS, EVERYTHING IS, YEAH. I WAS BORN THEN. IT'S EVERYTHING. UM, 'CAUSE I WAS BORN HERE, UM, THE INTENT WOULD BE THAT WE [02:10:01] ARE GOING OUT EVERY THREE YEARS AND LOOKING AT THESE SYSTEMS, IT'S NOT UNLIKELY THAT THEY'D HAVE ISSUES IN THREE A THREE YEAR PERIOD, BUT CERTAINLY LESS LIKELY. WELL, I, I, SO I, I GUESS, UM, ALL I CAN SAY TO THAT IS CERTAINLY IF WE RECEIVE SOMETHING FROM A COMMUNITY WHERE THEY MADE IT LOOK SHINY, SPARKLE, BRAND NEW, AND WE GO OUT TO INSPECT AND FIND A DIFFERENT STORY, THEN THAT IS OUR OPPORTUNITY TO NOT ONLY ISSUE AND IT WAS A VIOLATION, BUT THEN TO REPORT THAT INSPECTOR, THE, THE CONCERNS I HAVE ARE TWOFOLD. FIRST OF ALL, Y YEAH. YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT YEAH. IN THREE YEARS, LIKELY SOMETHING'S NOT GONNA HAPPEN. BUT, UM, PINE RIDGE BUILT IN OH FOUR PINE CREST BUILT BACK THEN. MM-HMM. , I GUARANTEE YOU THEY HAVE NOT BEEN MAINTAINING THEIR STORM WATER SYSTEMS TO THE LEVEL THEY SHOULD. SO IF AN INSPECTOR GOES OUT THERE, THEY'RE GONNA FIND ISSUES. RIGHT. IF WE'RE, THE SECOND PART OF THIS IS, IS COMING BACK AROUND TO WHY I WAS ASKING THOSE QUESTIONS. I STRONGLY SUGGEST THAT WE PUT LANGUAGE IN HERE TO MAKE SURE THAT THE INSPECTORS ARE THIRD PARTY INSPECTORS. OKAY. I REALLY THINK WE'RE OPENING IT UP FOR PROBLEMS. AND, AND THE PROBLEMS MAY NOT BE NOW OR EVEN 10 YEARS FROM NOW, BUT 20 OR 30 YEARS FROM NOW, IF WE'RE LETTING THE FOX INSPECT THE HEN HOUSE, WE'RE GONNA END UP WITH STORM WATER ISSUES AND IT'S GONNA AFFECT THE MAY AND IT'S GONNA AFFECT SOME OF THE OTHER WATERSHEDS HERE. UM, AND I, I FOR ONE, DON'T WANT TO SEE THAT. SO I'LL WORK WITH STAFF TO INCORPORATE THAT. WELL THAT'S, I KNOW IT'S, THAT'S ONE OPINION, BUT I KNOW, BUT I KNOW IT'S BEEN DISCUSSED. IT'S UM, AND IT'S AN EXPENSE FOR THE COMMUNITIES I GET IT. IS I THINK, YOU KNOW, THAT WOULD BE FOR EROSION SEDIMENT CONTROL FOR EXAMPLE. RIGHT. WE REQUIRE WEEKLY INSPECTION REPORTS BY A THIRD PARTY INSPECTOR THAT IS A DIRECT REFERENCE FROM THE CONSTRUCTION GENERAL PERMIT FROM THE STATE. SO THERE ISN'T THAT DIRECT REFERENCE. IT WOULD BE THE TOWN THEN BECOMING, WHICH WE CAN OBVIOUSLY, BUT IT WOULD BE A BIG CHANGE. I JUST AS YOU'RE ASKING US FOR KIND OF FEEDBACK AND THOUGHTS. YEAH, NO, I APPRECIATE THAT. I UNDERSTAND WHEN YOU GO TO WHOEVER MAKES THE DECISION, IT MIGHT BE SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE RAISED. SEE IF THEY THINK IT'S GOOD IDEA. OKAY. I MIGHT NEED TO TALK WITH RICHARDSON ON THAT ONE. 'CAUSE I'M CERTAINLY FOR IT, ME DOING THEM. BUT, UM, ANYBODY ELSE MOVE THAT? DO I HAVE AN MOTION TO ADJOURN? SO, SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. THANK YOU EVERYBODY. THANK YOU FOR THAT. THANK YOU. YEAH. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. THANKS FOR WATCHING BC TV JOE, GOOD TO SEE YOU, DALE. GOOD TO SEE YOU. TO SEE YOU. SHERIFF. UH, I WE'RE, WE'VE GOT A LOT TO TALK ABOUT AND WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO TALK ABOUT AND A ALL OF THIS AND A VERY SMALL KIND OF PRESENTATION TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC ABOUT WHAT WE WANT TO DO. OKAY. UH, IF Y'ALL REMEMBER, UH, WE STARTED WORKING ON A NEW SCHOOL RESOURCE OFFICER OPPORTUNITY LAST YEAR. UM, BECAUSE WE KNEW, AND WE HAVE KNOWN THAT TRYING TO RECRUIT LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS TO BE CLASS ONE CERTIFIED, WHICH IS WHAT THE STATE REQUIRED. YES. UH, YOU KNOW, TO BE IN OUR SCHOOLS AS SCHOOL RESOURCE OFFICERS, WHICH ARE, IS, IS A SPECIAL, I THINK WE ALL AGREE THAT THAT IS REALLY SPECIAL CANDIDATE, UH, THAT WE CONSIDER TO BE THAT CLOSE AN ASSOCIATION TO OUR KIDS. YES. UM, AND, BUT WE KNOW THE IMPORTANCE OF THE SCHOOL RESOURCE OFFICER PROGRAM BECAUSE OF THE SAFETY FACTORS IT CREATES, NOT ONLY IN OUR SCHOOLS, BUT WHAT OUR WHAT WHAT OUR COMMUNITIES AS WELL, BECAUSE THE SCHOOL IS A MELTING POT OF THE COMMUNITIES THAT WE SERVE. SO HAVING THAT RIGHT PERSON IN THAT JOB AND THAT ROLE TO PROVIDE SECURITY TO OUR KIDS LEADERSHIP, TO OUR KIDS, UH, AND GIVING THE CONFIDENCE TO THE STAFF TO WORK IN THE SCHOOLS. I MEAN, IT'S IMPORTANT TO FIND THAT RIGHT PERSON. SO IT'S DIFFICULT TO FIND A CLASS ONE OR THE CLASS ONE LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER, FOR THOSE THAT DON'T KNOW, IS ONE THAT GOES TO THE ACADEMY FOR 12 WEEKS, SPENDS 12 WEEKS FOR THE MOST PART IN COLUMBIA. AND WE DO SOME OF THE TRAINING HERE LOCALLY, BUT EVERYTHING ELSE, UH, HAS TO BE DONE IN COLUMBIA. AND THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT WE'RE TRYING TO ATTRACT TO BE SCHOOL RESOURCE [02:15:01] OFFICERS THAT REALLY DON'T WANT TO GIVE UP THEIR LIFE AND THEIR FAMILY TO GO TO COLUMBIA AND GO THROUGH BOOTCAMP TO BE A CLASS ONE LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER. SO I HAD OUR TRAINING STAFF PUT TOGETHER A TRAINING SYLLABUS FOR A, WHAT WE CALL A CLASS THREE. UH, AND IT WAS A CLASS THREE DESIGNATION FOR SCHOOL RESOURCE OFFICER. WHAT THAT DID IS IT ALLOWED US TO CREATE A TRAINING SYLLABUS THAT WE COULD TAKE A PERSON, UM, YOU KNOW, OF, OF ANY AGE, UH, AND THAT WE WOULD BRING THEM INTO LAW ENFORCEMENT ENVIRONMENT, YOU KNOW, WITH BLUFFTON OR BEAUFORT OR PORT ROYAL OR THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE. UH, AND WE WOULD TRAIN THEM HERE IN BEAUFORT COUNTY. ALL OF THEIR TRAINING WOULD BE DONE RIGHT HERE. UH, IT WOULD BE EIGHT WEEKS, MAYBE A LITTLE MORE THAN EIGHT WEEKS OF TRAINING. UH, WE WOULD LIKE TO START THIS, UH, THE, OUR FIRST CLASS. WE'D LIKE TO START IT IN JUNE. UH, THAT WAY WE CAN GET 'EM THROUGH THE PROGRAM AND BE READY FOR DEPLOYMENT, UH, WHEN SCHOOL STARTS IN AUGUST. UH, I, I THINK IT'S AN AWESOME PROGRAM. WE, WE, WE SENT THE TRAINING SYLLABUS TO THE ACADEMY THAT TRAINS ALL OF OUR LAW ENFORCEMENT IN SOUTH CAROLINA. THEY APPROVED IT, UH, WITH THE BLESSING OF THE SOUTH CAROLINA TRAINING COUNCIL. SO WE ARE READY TO GET THIS THING MOVING AND GET IT STARTED. AND I THINK FOR US, UH, WE JUST NEED TO KIND OF, OF TELL OUR CITIZENS, YOU KNOW, WHO ARE WE LOOKING FOR? UH, THE ROLE IS SCHOOL RESOURCE OFFICER. IT'S A CLASS THREE LAW ENFORCEMENT DESIGNATION. UH, IT'S A UNIFORM POSITION. IT'S AN ARMED POSITION. UH, THEY HAVE ARREST POWERS, UH, AND THEY HAVE ALL THE POWERS OF ANY OTHER LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER ON THE SCHOOL GROUNDS, UH, THAT THEY'RE ASSIGNED TO. SO WHAT DO YOU THINK, JOE, SHERIFF? I THINK IT'S A GREAT IDEA, AND THANK YOU FOR TAKING LEAD ON THIS. UM, WE HAVE FOUR ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS IN BLUFFTON THAT CURRENTLY ARE NOT STAFFED BY CLASS THREE OR HIGHER OFFICERS. AND I THINK THAT THIS PROGRAM IS GONNA ATTRACT PEOPLE TO THESE POSITIONS AND IT'S GONNA PROVIDE MORE OF A SECURITY BLANKET FOR OUR SCHOOLS TO INCLUDE OUR ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS. SO WE'RE DEFINITELY EXCITED ABOUT IT. WE'RE EXCITED TO BE PART OF IT. SO THANK YOU. DALE. WHO, WHO DO WE WANT TO ATTRACT? I THINK WE'VE GOT A, WE'VE GOT AN ENORMOUS NUMBER OF RETIRED MILITARY FOLKS HERE. MM-HMM. THAT ARE ABLE TO RETIRE FAIRLY YOUNG AND MAY BE LOOKING FOR THAT JOB. THEY MAY HAVE CHILDREN IN OUR SCHOOLS AND WITH THE, WITH THE PROGRAM THAT YOU WERE ABLE TO PUT TOGETHER. UM, THEY'LL BE HOME WHEN THEIR CHILDREN ARE HOME, NOT IN SCHOOL. AND, UM, AND I'VE ALWAYS SAID, YOU AND I HAVE HAD THIS CONVERSATION, SHERIFF, WE NEED TO GET INTO ELEMENTARY SCHOOL IF WE, IF WE WAITED UNTIL HIGH SCHOOLS WERE TOO LATE. SO IT'S A GREAT PROGRAM. I'M, I'M GLAD THAT YOU TOOK THE LEAD ON IT. UM, I'M EXCITED TO SEE IF WE CAN GET SOME PEOPLE IN, BUT I REALLY THINK THE YOUNG RETIRED MILITARY PEOPLE ARE, THEY'RE JUST MADE FOR THIS, YOU KNOW, AND WE'VE GONE THROUGHOUT OUR CAREERS, UH, IN THE COUNTY OF BEAUFORT AND WE'VE HAD CONVERSATION AFTER CONVERSATION WITH DIFFERENT PEOPLE THAT SAY, YOU KNOW, I'M RETIRED, I'D LIKE TO FIND SOMETHING TO DO. AND THEN YOU START TALKING TO 'EM AND THEY'RE RETIRED TEACHER OR RETIRED LAW ENFORCEMENT, RETIRED FIRE DEPARTMENT, RETIRED MILITARY, RETIRED BANKERS, RETIRED, I MEAN, RETIRED, THIS, THAT, AND THE OTHER ARE STILL, STILL AT AN AGE THAT THEY COULD, UM, THEY COULD DO THIS JOB WITH NO PROBLEM AT ALL OF ANY KIND. UM, AND THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT, THAT I'D LIKE TO SEE. YES. I'D LIKE TO SEE, UH, THOSE THAT ARE STILL, THAT STILL FEEL LIKE THEY CAN MAKE A DIFFERENCE, THAT MAYBE HAVE ALWAYS LOOKED AT LAW ENFORCEMENT AS BEING A JOB, BUT BECAUSE OF THE PAY AND BECAUSE OF THE, YOU KNOW, THE WORKING CONDITIONS AND FAMILIES AND, AND ALL THAT, THEY JUST DIDN'T WANNA DO IT. BUT HERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY, UH, TO MAKE $45,000 A YEAR STARTING PAY TO WORK. BASICALLY THE SCHEDULE OF THE TEACHING AND SUPPORT STAFF OF THE SCHOOL DISTRICT, WHICH IS A PRETTY GOOD SCHEDULE. IT IS, UH, TO HAVE BENEFITS TO, TO BE IN THE RETIREMENT SYSTEM AND TO BE ABLE TO BRING THEIR MATURITY, UH, THEIR LIFE EXPERIENCE AND, AND YOU KNOW, TO TO ELEMENTARY SCHOOL AGE KIDS WHO WILL BENEFIT GREATLY FROM JUST HAVING THAT OPPORTUNITY TO SOCIALIZE AND BE AROUND, UH, THESE FOLKS THAT BRING A LOT TO THE TABLE. AND I, WE, IN OUR COMMUNITIES, YOU TAKE BLUFFTON AND BEAUFORT AND, AND IN THE COUNTY AND THEN IN PORT ROYAL, THOSE PEOPLE ARE HERE. THEY ARE. AND THEY'RE LOOKING FOR THINGS TO DO. AND I JUST THINK THIS IS AN AWESOME OPPORTUNITY FOR THEM TO, YOU KNOW WHAT, JUST DO IT KINDA LIKE NIKE. LET'S JUST DO IT. UH, YOU KNOW, I THINK IT'S, THE TRAINING IS, I THINK THEY'LL ENJOY THE TRAINING. AGAIN, IT'S ALL DONE RIGHT HERE. THEY, THEY'LL STAY AT HOME, THEY'LL [02:20:01] SLEEP IN THEIR OWN BED, THEY'LL HAVE THEIR OWN PILLOW, AND THEN THEY CAN COME TO TRAINING. AND ONCE THEY'RE CERTIFIED, UH, THEN THEY'LL START THE SCHOOL YEAR, UH, AUGUST OF THIS YEAR. SO, I MEAN, I KNOW YOUR COMMUNITY REPRESENTS THAT OPPORTUNITY AS WELL. YES. YOU KNOW, SO WHAT ELSE, WHAT ELSE DO YOU THINK THIS, UM, THIS PROGRAM'S GONNA DO IN TOTALITY FOR WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH? I THINK, I THINK THIS PROGRAM, ONE WILL BE ABLE TO GET US OVER THE TOP. I THINK WE'LL BE ABLE TO GET, WE'LL BE ABLE TO GET A POLICE OFFICER IN EVERY SCHOOL IN BEAUFORT COUNTY, WHICH IS IMPORTANT. A POLICE OFFICER AND I, AND I, AND YOU KNOW, WE, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS. THERE'S A LOT OF TRAINING THAT GOES ALONG WITH THIS JOB. THERE IS, AND YOU KNOW, THIS IS NOT A SECURITY OFFICER. NO. THIS IS A LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER, UH, THAT'S GONNA BE WELL TRAINED, UH, IN THIS. AND I, I THINK THAT AT THE END OF THE DAY, THAT'S, IT'S EXTREMELY IMPORTANT. AND I THINK WHAT THE YOUNG CHILDREN TARGETING THE RETIREES MM-HMM. , WHETHER THEY'RE RETIRED TEACHERS, RETIRED MILITARY IS IMPORTANT. THEY'VE GOT THE LIFE EXPERIENCE FOR THE, FOR THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS. AND, AND TO GET THAT STARTED OFF. SO , HOW, HOW MANY, HOW MANY OPENINGS DO YOU HAVE FOR THIS PROGRAM? FOR THIS PROGRAM? WE, WE ONLY HAVE TWO CURRENTLY. POSSIBLY A THIRD COMING ON BOARD. I'VE GOT NINE. YEAH. JOEY'S I HAVE FOUR. SO I MEAN, IN TOTAL, AND HERE'S THE THING. IT, IT DOESN'T MATTER IF YOU WORK AT THE CITY OF BEAUFORT OR THE TOWN OF BLUFFTON, UH, OR PORT ROYAL OR FOR THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE, YOU KNOW, WE WANT YOU TO COME TO WORK. YES. AND LAW ENFORCEMENT TO BE A CLASS THREE SRO, DOESN'T MATTER WHERE YOU GO, DOESN'T MATTER WHO YOU'RE EMPLOYED BY. THE PAY IS GONNA BE THE SAME. THE WORK ENVIRONMENT'S BASICALLY THE SAME. THERE MAY BE A DIFFERENCE IN UNIFORM THAT YOU WEAR AT THE SCHOOL THAT YOU'RE ASSIGNED TO, UH, THE PAY. I MEAN, EVERYTHING IS GOING TO BE BASICALLY THE SAME. SO ALL WE WANT PEOPLE TO DO IS PUT THEIR APPLICATIONS IN, GIVE US THE OPPORTUNITY TO SIT DOWN AND EXPLAIN THE PROGRAM IN DETAIL. AND IF YOU REALLY HAVE AN INTEREST IN IT, UH, THEN LET'S, LET'S, LET'S GET STARTED. WHAT DO YOU THINK, JOE? YEAH. AND, AND ONE THING THAT I WANT TO HIT ON IS THIS PROGRAM IS IMPORTANT AND, AND REASON BEING IS NONE OF OUR KIDS SHOULD FEEL AFRAID GOING TO SCHOOL. UM, THEY SHOULD BE GOING TO SCHOOL TO LEARN AND NOT QUERYING ABOUT THEIR SAFETY. UM, AND WHAT THIS DOES IS THIS PROVIDES ANOTHER LAYER OF SAFETY FOR ALL OF OUR SCHOOLS, ESPECIALLY THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS. UM, IT ALSO PROVIDES PEOPLE WITH AN OPPORTUNITY TO MENTOR THESE YOUNG MEN AND WOMEN. MM-HMM. AS THEY'RE COMING UP THROUGH THE SCHOOL SYSTEM. AND SO, LIKE THE SHERIFF SAID, IF YOU TRULY WANT TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE, UH, THIS IS A POSITION THAT YOU REALLY, REALLY WILL BE MAKING A DIFFERENCE. I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO IT. I JUST HOPE THE APPLICATION START POURING IN. AND IF YOU GET MORE THAN, THAN YOU NEED THEN AND, AND WE NEED TO GO TO BEAUFORT OR WE NEED TO GO TO, UH, THE, THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE OR, OR PORT ROYAL, WE JUST NEED, WE NEED TO PUT THESE PEOPLE TO WORK. WE NEED TO FILL THESE VACANCIES, UH, AND LET'S MAKE OUR SCHOOLS IN BEAUFORT COUNTY AS SAFE AS THEY POSSIBLY CAN. ABSOLUTELY. ABSOLUTELY. AND I THINK THE UNIQUENESS OF THIS PROGRAM, THESE OFFICERS WILL BE TRAINED BY PEOPLE THAT HAVE CHILDREN IN THESE SCHOOLS. THEY HAVE THE SAME DESIRES, THE OUTCOMES THAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR. SO I'M, I'M LOOKING FORWARD, LOOKING FORWARD TO IT. WELL, I MEAN, THE GREAT THING ABOUT IT IS THAT WE ARE, WE WILL BE DOING THE TRAINING TOGETHER. YES. IF YOU GET, IF YOU GET, IF YOU HIRE ONE OR TWO, YOU HIRE FOUR AND YOU KNOW, AND I CAN FILL THE NINE THAT WE NEED. WE'RE ALL GONNA BE TRAINING TOGETHER. YES. SO THIS IS GONNA BE ONE TRAINING SYLLABUS TO BENEFIT, UH, THE SCHOOL RESOURCE OFFICER PROGRAM. I MEAN, THIS IS GOING TO BE, THIS, THIS PROGRAM IS FOR SOUTH CAROLINA AS A WHOLE. THIS IS NOT JUST FOR BEAUFORT COUNTY. BUT I'M EXCITED THAT WE'RE GOING TO START THIS AND INITIATE, YOU KNOW, THE SRO CLASS THREE POSITION HERE IN BEAUFORT COUNTY. AND WE'RE GONNA SHOW THE STATE IT WORKS. AND THE GREAT THING ABOUT THE TRAINING TOGETHER, SHERIFF, IS YOU'RE CREATING A NETWORK BEFORE YOU EVEN GET STARTED. SO YOU'RE GONNA KNOW PEOPLE FROM DIFFERENT SCHOOLS WHERE IF YOU CAN RUN INTO A PROBLEM, YOU HAVE SOMEBODY ELSE THAT YOU CAN CALL AND GET SOME ADVICE OR TALK TO THEM ABOUT THINGS GOING ON IN THEIR SCHOOL AND CURRENT TRENDS THAT ARE HAPPENING IN THEIR SCHOOL. SO IT'S A GREAT COLLABORATION OF ALL THREE DEPARTMENTS IN THE ENTIRE COUNTY GETTING TOGETHER, BECAUSE HAVING THAT NETWORK AND PEOPLE THAT YOU CAN RELY ON FOR ADDITIONAL ADVICE IS INVALUABLE. WELL, I TELL YOU WHAT I MEAN, I WANT, I WANT PEOPLE TO BE ABLE TO, TO MAKE THOSE PHONE CALLS OR GO ONLINE AND RESEARCH, YOU KNOW, UH, JUST THE, THE, THE CLASS THREE SRO, UH, THROUGH ALL AGENCIES. SO I THINK LINDSEY, IF WE CAN, I MEAN, AT THIS POINT, I THINK IF WE PUT THAT INFORMATION ON THIS VIDEO FOR BLUFFTON, BEAUFORT, PORT ROYAL, AND THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE WEBPAGE AND PHONE NUMBERS, UH, I THINK WE'LL HOPEFULLY WE'LL START GETTING CALLS. ABSOLUTELY. THAT SOUND GOOD TO Y'ALL? YES, SIR. ALRIGHT, LET'S GET IT DONE. [02:25:19] HERE'S WHAT'S HAPPENING IN BEAUFORT COUNTY TODAY. WE WERE CELEBRATING OUR ELECTION WORKERS IN BEAUFORT COUNTY. THE BOARD OF VOTER REGISTRATION IN ELECTION, UM, THOUGHT THAT IT WAS TIME TO RECOGNIZE THOSE PEOPLE WHO MAKE OUR ELECTIONS POSSIBLE. THESE ARE THE FOLKS WHO ARE OUT THERE IN THE FIELD ON ELECTION DAY, WORKING 14, 15 HOURS A DAY, UM, PREPARING, UH, MACHINES, DELIVERING MACHINES. UM, YOU KNOW, THESE ARE THE PEOPLE THAT WE WANTED TO SAY THANK YOU TO. SO WHAT WE DID TODAY WAS WE ORGANIZED AN EVENT, UH, WE CALL IT AN APPRECIATION, AND WE ALSO HAD BEST PRACTICE FORUM. AND THAT WAS A LITTLE PANEL THAT ANSWERED QUESTIONS OFF CONCERN, UM, FROM SOME OF THE POLL WORKERS. BUT WE KNOW THAT TWO POLL WORKERS WILL NEED TO PROVIDE ASSISTANCE TO A VOTER IF THEY POLL. WE JUST WANTED THEM TO KNOW HOW MUCH WE APPRECIATE WHAT THEY DO. SO WE PROVIDED, UH, AN APPRECIATION CERTIFICATE ALONG WITH BUTTONS THAT THEY CAN WEAR OUT IN THE PUBLIC SAYING THAT THEY ARE THE BEST POLL WORKER IN BEAVERT COUNTY OR IN THE STATE OF SOUTH CAROLINA. WE HAD SOME OF THOSE PEOPLE, WE HAD PEOPLE IN ATTENDANCE THAT'S BEEN DOING ELECTION WORK FOR OVER 40 YEARS. WE HAD SOME THAT WERE ONLY DOING IT FOR A YEAR. SO IT WAS A NICE MIXTURE OF FOLKS COMING TOGETHER, SHARING STORIES. IT WAS JUST WONDERFUL. AND WE HAVE, WE GOT A COUPLE OF OUR COUNTY COUNCIL MEMBERS WHO CAME OUT AND HELPED SERVE OUR LITTLE SNACKS THAT WE HAD. IT WAS JUST WONDERFUL. WHAT WE DID IS ALL OF THE ELECTION WORKERS THAT CAME IN TODAY, WE, UM, TOOK PHOTOGRAPHS AND WE HOPED TO DISPLAY THEM, UM, ON OUR, UM, MAYBE EVEN ON OUR FACEBOOK PAGES, JUST TO SHOW PEOPLE THAT THESE ARE HUMAN BEINGS. MAYBE SOME OF THEM LIVE IN YOUR COMMUNITY AND YOU MAY RECOGNIZE THEM AND THEY WANT TO ASK SOME QUESTION AS TO, OH, MAYBE I WANT TO DO THAT. SO, UM, THE PHOTOGRAPH THAT WE TOOK TODAY, AND THEY WERE ALL EXCITED ABOUT IT AND I WAS HAPPY THAT THEY WERE, AND THEY WERE WILLING, WE TOOK THE PHOTOS AND WE WILL DISPLAY THEM AND, UM, HOPEFULLY WE CAN USE IT AS A RECRUITING TOOL AS WELL. SO IT DOESN'T MATTER HOW OLD YOU ARE, IT DOESN'T MATTER HOW YOUNG YOU ARE, UNLESS YOU KNOW YOU GOTTA BE AT LEAST 18, UM, TO BE, UH, A REGISTERED VOTER. BUT YOU REALLY, UM, WE START WORKING WITH OUR KIDS WHEN THEY'RE 16 AND 17-YEAR-OLD, WHICH THE LAW DOES ALLOW THAT THEY CAN WORK IN ELECTIONS AND WE START TRAINING THEM FROM HIGH SCHOOL. AND, UM, WE HAVE SOME FOLKS THAT'S BEEN HERE FOR OVER 40 YEARS THAT'S BEEN DOING THIS WORK. YOU CAN APPLY ANYTIME TO BECOME A POLL WORKER. UM, ALL YOU GOTTA DO IS CALL OUR OFFICE, GO ON OUR WEBSITE AND SAY, I'M INTERESTED IN BECOMING A POLL WORKER. WE ADVERTISE PERIODICALLY TO LET YOU KNOW WHERE THE TRAINING IS AND, UH, OR YOU CAN JUST GIVE US A CALL AND WE WILL LET YOU KNOW WHEN WE'RE GONNA HAVE TRAINING. THE PHONE NUMBER IS (843) 255-6900. JUST CALL THAT NUMBER AND WE WILL MAKE SURE THAT YOU ARE PLACED ON A LIST AND WE WILL NOTIFY YOU WHEN THE TRAININGS ARE AVAILABLE. ONCE AGAIN, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR COMING AND DRIVE CAREFUL BACK TO YOUR DESTINATION. LOOK, YOU GUYS, YOU ARE MY HERO AND MY HEROES, AND THAT'S WHAT'S HAPPENING IN BEAUFORT COUNTY. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.