Oct 22, 2024 Hilton Head Town Council Workshop

UM, BY SITTING IN IDLING AT SIGNALS WHEN THERE'S NO, UM, OTHER CALL FOR DEMAND FROM OTHER, FROM OTHER DIRECTIONS, UH, REDUCES CONGESTION, CREATES SMOOTHER TRAFFIC FLOW, REDUCES FUEL CONSUMPTION IF YOU'RE NOT SITTING AND IDLING.

UM, AND I'LL BE IN CHARGE UNTIL SOMEONE TELLS ME I DON'T, I CAN'T BE ANYMORE.

HOW'S THAT? UM, THANK YOU EVERYONE FOR BEING HERE.

MAYOR COUNCIL, TOM MANAGER, UM, TEAM THAT'S BEEN WORKING ON THIS.

UM, I JUST WANNA INTRODUCE, UM, ANOTHER MEMBER OF OUR TEAM, JEFF INGER, OUR, OUR NEW DIRECTOR OF ENGINEERING AND PROJECTS.

AND I'M GONNA INTRODUCE THE TEAM THAT'S BEEN WORKING ON THE CORRIDORS WHEN WE GET TO THAT SEGMENT.

SO IF YOU JUST BEAR WITH ME FOR A COUPLE OF MINUTES.

SO THE FIRST ITEM ON THE AGENDA TODAY IS TO PROVIDE AN UPDATE ON THE TOWN'S ADAPTIVE TRAFFIC SIGNAL MANAGEMENT SYSTEM.

UM, AND SO I'M GONNA JUMP RIGHT INTO IT.

UH, THIS SHOULD BE, UH, INFORMATIVE AND CERTAINLY I WILL BE ABLE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE, UM, AS A RESULT OF THE INFORMATION PROVIDED.

SO I'M GONNA GIVE YOU AN UPDATE ON THE, ON THE PROJECT, UM, REVIEW PROJECT GOALS AND OBJECTIVES, TALK ABOUT HOW THE SYSTEM IS ADAPTIVE.

UM, SHARE A LITTLE BIT OF BEFORE AND AFTER RESULTS, UH, IMPROVEMENTS TO THE FUNCTIONALITY SYSTEM FUNCTIONALITY, UM, ADDITIONAL PROACTIVE IMPROVEMENTS THAT WE ARE WORKING ON.

UM, FIBER OPTIC COMMUNICATION AND, AND MOVING TO A FIBER OPTIC SYSTEM.

UH, GIVE YOU AN UPDATE, UH, WHERE WE STAND ON THE WINDMILL HARBOR SIGNAL.

AND THEN IF THERE'S ISSUES, CONCERNS, UM, FROM THE PUBLIC OR FROM COUNCIL OR OTHERS, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S, UH, WHAT'S OUR, WHAT ARE THE METHODS TO CONTACT US TO MAKE SURE WE'RE GETTING OUR SYSTEM BACK IN ORDER? UM, AND THEN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

SO IN LOOKING BACK THROUGH THE PROJECT GOALS, WHEN WE SET OUT TO DO THIS, IT WAS PROGRAMMED IN, UM, IN LAST FISCAL YEAR, C UH, CIP.

WE EXECUTED THE PROJECT AND WENT LIVE IN NOVEMBER OF 2023.

AND SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT THIS WAY, UH, WE'VE GOT A NEW SYSTEM THAT IS NOT QUITE 1-YEAR-OLD AND, UM, I THINK IT'S PROVIDING SOME BENEFITS AND, AND IS ACHIEVING A LOT OF THESE PROGRAM GOALS.

AND WE CONTINUE TO LEARN.

UM, I MADE A REFERENCE THE OTHER DAY.

UM, IT WAS TRYING, LIKE HAVING A NEWBORN AND EXPECTING THEY COULD SPEAK MANDARIN 10 MONTHS IN, RIGHT? SO IT'S A NEW SYSTEM, UM, THAT SHIFTED FROM A, A STAFF RESOURCE HEAVY WORKLOAD TO A TECHNOLOGY, UH, HEAVY, UM, SYSTEM, UH, RESOURCE.

SO, UM, THE GOALS WERE TO IMPROVE RELIABILITY ALONG THE CORRIDOR WITH THIS PROJECT, UM, AT ALL TIMES OF THE DAY.

UH, RATHER THAN SET STANDARD TIMING PLANS, UM, THAT ONLY ADJUST EVERY, EVERY SO OFTEN.

UM, THIS, THIS ADJUSTS UP TO FOUR TIMES PER HOUR.

SO MAINTAIN A CONSISTENT LEVEL OF SERVICE, UH, THROUGH THE CORRIDOR DURING PEAK HOURS.

AND THEN AGAIN, OFF PEAK ALLOWS STAFF THE ABILITY TO MANAGE THE SYSTEM MORE EFFECTIVELY REMOTELY.

WE ALWAYS, WE KEEP SAYING EVERY MEETING, YOU KNOW, IT USED TO BE DARREN IN A RAINCOAT AT 1:30 AM IN A RAINSTORM OR WHATEVER, UM, BUT NOW WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO CONTROL.

YOU CAN SEE ON THE SCREEN, UH, SOME PHOTOS, UH, OF WHAT, WHAT'S IN THERESA MCVAY'S OFFICE.

SHE CAN MONITOR THOSE SIGNALS IN REAL TIME AND MAKE ADJUSTMENTS FROM HER CELL PHONE OR LAPTOP, UM, AND OTHER, AND A FEW OTHERS CAN DO THAT AS WELL.

SO WE CAN, UM, MANAGE AND MONITOR IT IN REAL TIME.

UM, IT ALSO HAS AN, AN ALARM NOTIFICATION, UM, RELATED TO THE DETECTION AND THE COMMUNICATION OF THE SYSTEM, WHICH PROMPTS US TO KNOW THAT THERE MIGHT BE AN ISSUE, UH, THAT NEEDS TO BE RESOLVED.

AND THEN THE ADAPTIVE TRAFFIC SIGNALS ARE PART OF A BIGGER ADVANCED TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT SYSTEM.

UH, BUT IT'S A CRITICAL FIRST STEP, UH, OR CRITICAL.

IT'S A CRITICAL STEP IN HAVING, UM, THIS ADAPTIVE TECHNOLOGY.

SO WHAT DOES ADAPTIVE DO AND ADJUST IN REAL TIME, UH, REACTING TO CURRENT CONDITIONS TO ACCOMMODATE TRAFFIC PATTERNS.

UM, IT DECREASES WAIT TIME AND DELAYS.

UM, IT ALSO HAS SOME ENVIRONMENTAL BENEFIT ABOUT REDUCING EMISSIONS,

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UM, REDUCING TRAVEL TIMES OR, UM, CAN REDUCE FUEL CONSUMPTION AND EFFICIENCY.

UM, AND ALSO INCREASES SAFETY BECAUSE IT CAN CHANGE THE TRAFFIC CONDITIONS.

OUR SYSTEM ALSO HELPED TO PRIORITIZE DIFFERENTLY BICYCLE AND PEDESTRIAN MOVEMENTS.

SO WE HAVE VEHICLE DETECTION AT THE SIGNALS, BUT WE ALSO HAVE BIKE AND PED DETECTIONS, UM, TO KNOW WHEN THERE ARE FOLKS THAT ARE, UM, IN NEED FOR CROSSING, UM, AT THE INTERSECTION.

SO IT'S REPRIORITIZED HOW WE, HOW WE VIEW AND HOW WE MANAGE THE WHOLE SYSTEM, NOT JUST FOR VEHICLES.

UM, AND AGAIN, IT'S, UM, IN THE, IN THE VISUAL I HAVE UP HERE, RIGHT AT SENSORS TRA CENSUS TRAFFIC, IT COMPARES AGAINST THE BASELINE TIMING PLAN FOR THE SIGNAL, ADJUSTS IT IF NECESSARY, AND IT KEEPS REPEATING THAT OVER AND OVER TO MAXIMIZE PERFORMANCE.

SO, UM, WE HAVE LOOKED AT SOME BEFORE AND AFTER RESULTS, AND IT'LL SE SEEM A LITTLE TRIVIAL WHEN YOU LOOK AT 36 SECONDS OR 15 SECONDS OR EIGHT SECONDS.

BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THE, THE FIRST TWO BULLETS THAT ARE ON THE SCREEN, UH, THESE, THESE ARE EASTBOUND TRAFFIC.

IF YOU HAD THOSE TOGETHER, IT'S 51 SECONDS AND EASTBOUND TRAFFIC DURING PEAK HOUR, UM, IT TAKES TO GO THROUGH THAT SEC SECTION ABOUT 216 SECONDS IF YOU WERE GOING THE SPEED LIMIT.

SO A REDUCTION OF 36 SECONDS TO GO THROUGH THAT.

BUT IF YOU TAKE AND CALCULATE THAT SAVINGS TIME, THE TIMES, THE NUMBER OF VEHICLES THAT GO THROUGH THAT, THAT SEGMENT IN THE PEAK HOUR TIMES THE NUMBER OF DAYS A YEAR, YOU START TO REALLY UNDERSTAND THE CUMULATIVE IMPACTS OF THIS SYSTEM AND WHAT IT HAS, UH, AS FAR AS PROVIDING BENEFIT AFTER, AFTER THIS HAS BEEN IMPLEMENTED.

UH, WE TALKED ABOUT IMPROVING SYSTEM FUNCTIONALITY AND THERE'S, UH, CERTAINLY SOME WAYS THAT WE CAN MEASURE THAT.

UH, SOME HAS BEEN THE NUMBER OF SERVICE CALLS INTO OUR TRANSPORTATION, UM, CENTER AND THROUGH OUR MY HHI APP.

AND SO WE'VE INCLUDED IN HERE, UM, THAT IN JULY WE HAD 10, MY HHIC CLICK FIX APPS, 13 IN AUGUST.

AND IN SEPTEMBER WE ONLY SAW THREE.

AND I'LL TALK TO SOME, UH, ON THE NEXT SLIDE HERE OR TWO ABOUT WHY WE THINK THAT'S, UM, THE CASE.

UH, SO IN AUGUST, WE HAD THE SIGNAL OR THE TECHNOLOGY MANUFACTURER HERE FROM GERMANY, ALONG WITH A CONTRACTOR WHO DID THE INSTALLATION TO TAKE NOT TAKE A LOOK, NOT ONLY AT THE, UM, THE HARDWARE AND SOFTWARE THAT THEY WERE PROVIDING INTO THE SYSTEM, BUT TAKE A LOOK HOW IT'S INTEGRATED INTO THE OVERALL SYSTEM AND THE CABINETRY THAT WE HAVE, THE ELECTRICAL, UM, AND THE, AND THE DETECTION THAT IS, UM, VISIBLE ON MASSED ARMS AND POLES.

UM, THEY SPENT ABOUT THREE WEEKS HERE, UM, AND REALLY DID A FULL DIVE TO UNDERSTAND HOW EVERYTHING WAS WORKING TOGETHER.

UM, SIGNAL OPERATIONS HAVE IMPROVED, I WOULD SAY, UH, WITH SOME LEVEL OF CONFIDENCE SINCE THAT, SINCE THAT VISIT.

UH, WE'VE ALSO IMPROVED OUR GROUNDING, UM, AT THE SIGNAL CABINETS WHERE WE HAD SOME SENSITIVITY FOR ELECTRICAL, UM, ISSUES.

AND SO THAT'S BECOME A LOT MORE, UM, RELIABLE AND WE'VE HAD LESS OUTAGES.

UM, WE'VE ALSO UPDATED THE FIRMWARE AND THE RADAR DETECTION, AND AS LATE AS YESTERDAY, CONTINUING TO ADJUST THE RADAR, UH, DETECTION TO MAKE SURE WE'RE IN, UH, LEARNING AND ENHANCING AGAIN.

EVENTUALLY WE'LL KNOW HOW TO SPEAK MANDARIN, RIGHT? BUT WE'RE 11 MONTHS IN.

UM, AND I WILL SAY, UM, THAT WAS LATE JULY AND EARLY AUGUST THAT HAPPENED.

WELL, IN THAT PERIOD WE HAD, UM, TROPICAL STORM DEBBIE, AND WE HAD HURRICANE HELENE GO THROUGH, UH, WITH SOME SIGNIFICANT STORMS WINDS.

UM, AND I WAS SAYING HURRICANE HELENE.

UH, WE HAD FOUR SIGNALS THAT WENT INTO FLASH MODE.

THREE OF THEM WERE FIXED VERY QUICKLY, UM, AND THEN ONE WAS FIXED THE NEXT MORNING.

SO, UH, WE HAD POWER OUTAGES ON THE ISLAND.

SO THEY'VE PERFORMED MUCH BETTER, AND I BELIEVE THEY'RE A LOT MORE RELIABLE DUE TO THE WORK.

OUR TEAM, JIM, I WANNA THANK JIM THERESA AND THE TEAM FOR, FOR, UM, MAKING THIS A PRIORITY TO CONTINUE TO IMPROVE.

SO WE CONTINUE TO LOOK AT WAYS TO, TO IMPROVE THE SYSTEM.

UM, AND AGAIN, WE'VE GOT CALLS SINCE WE'VE GONE LIVE AND, AND CONTINUE TO MAKE SOME OF THESE ADJUSTMENTS, BUT TRY TO MAKE SURE THAT FOLKS DON'T GET SHORT GREEN TIMES, UM, TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S, UM, THAT WE, THE RADARS, UM, IN,

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UH, DETECTING IN A WAY THAT IS RESPONSIVE TO, TO CONDITIONS AT THAT INTERSECTION.

AND SO, UM, ONE EXAMPLE THAT I'LL PROVIDE IS WE GOT CONTACTED BY THE SCHOOL DISTRICT, UM, I DUNNO, TWO OR THREE WEEKS AFTER SCHOOL WENT IN SESSION.

AND, UM, AND THEY SAID THAT AT THE WILBURN ROAD INTERSECTION, THE BUSES WEREN'T GETTING ENOUGH TIME, UH, TO CLEAR THE SIGNAL.

AND SO WE LOOKED AT IT AND THE WAY OUR DETECTION WAS WORKING AND REALIZED THAT THE BUSES BEING MUCH LONGER THAN A NORMAL VEHICLE, UM, THEY, THEY WEREN'T ALLOWING ENOUGH GREEN TIME.

SO OUR TEAM, UH, WORKED WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT AND, UH, AND ADJUSTED THE, THE RADAR DETECTION.

AND NOW THAT OPERATION IS MOVING, UM, AS MUCH MORE EFFICIENT AND WORKING MUCH BETTER.

SO, SO ANYWAY, OPPORTUNITIES TO CONTINUE TO DO THAT.

UM, WE'RE ALSO LOOKING AT THAT BASE SIGNAL TIMING PLAN.

UM, WE HAVE ONE THAT WAS FROM 2010, SO WE'RE LOOKING AT UPDATING THAT BASE SIGNAL TIMING PLAN, UM, BECAUSE WHEN THE SYSTEM RESETS, IT GOES INTO THAT AND THEN ADAPTS FROM IT.

SO MAY, WE'RE LOOKING TO MAKE SURE THAT BASE TIMING PLAN IS UP, IS UP TO DATE.

NOW THAT OUR TECHNOLOGY IS UP TO DATE, I MENTIONED THE UPDATED SURGE, UH, SURGE EQUIPMENT.

AND WE'LL CONTINUE TO MAKE SURE TO MONITOR AND MAKE UPGRADES WHERE WE WE NEED TO.

AND THEN ON THIS IDEA OF THE SIGNALS LOSING POWER, THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY, UM, TO INTEGRATE BACKUP BATTERY SYSTEMS AT THESE SIGNALS SO THAT IF WE LOSE POWER, PALMETTO ELECTRIC LOSES POWER, UM, WE CAN MAINTAIN THE SIGNALS AND NOT HAVE THE INTERRUPTION, UM, THAT THAT MAY OCCUR, UM, THAT MAY OCCURRED IN THE PAST.

SO, UM, WE'D LIKE TO MOVE FORWARD AND UPDATE THE FIVE OLDEST CABINETS AND THEN WORK WITH TOWN MANAGER AND TOWN COUNCIL FOR CONSIDERATION IN THE BUDGET FOR NEXT YEAR TO UPGRADE THE REST.

FIBER OPTIC COMMUNICATION.

UH, THIS WAS A, UM, A QUESTION THAT WAS BROUGHT UP BY COUNCIL.

UM, AND SO THERE'S, THERE'S, UM, SIGNIFICANT BENEFITS FROM A TECHNOLOGY STANDPOINT WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT FIBER OPTIC SYSTEMS. UH, FIBER OPTIC SYSTEMS DON'T HAVE LIMITATIONS ON BANDWIDTH OR COMPETING COM COMPETITION FOR BANDWIDTH.

THEY'RE REALLY LIMITED.

AND TOMMY SUNDAY WILL TELL ME THEY'RE LIMITED BY THE EQUIPMENT THAT CONNECTS TO IT, RIGHT? SO IT'S LIKE, UM, LIKE TRYING TO FILL UP A WATER BALLOON FROM A FIRE HOSE, RIGHT? YOU CAN FILL UP ALL THE WATER BALLOONS YOU WANT, BUT WHATEVER YOU'RE CONNECTING TO THAT HOSE IS GONNA BE THE LIMITATION.

SO FIBER OPTIC COMMUNICATION, UM, IS CERTAINLY, UH, AN OPPORTUNITY FOR IMPROVEMENT TO THE SYSTEM.

IT WOULD PROVIDE MORE CONSISTENCY.

IT WOULD, UM, LEAD TO LESS, UM, OUTAGES AND PROVIDE REDUNDANCY AND INCREASE, UH, THE ABILITY, UM, FROM A MAINTENANCE STANDPOINT TO BE MORE EFFECTIVE.

AND I'LL EXPLAIN THAT REAL QUICK.

THE CURRENT SIGNAL SYSTEM OPERATES IN PODS, AND I'LL SHOW YOU A SLIDE.

AND AS WE GET INTO THE FIBER, UM, SYSTEM, IT OPERATES IN PODS AND IT HAS A RADIO COMMUNICATION THAT GOES FROM ONE SET OF PODS TO ANOTHER SET OF PODS, AND IT HAS TO HAVE CLEAR LINE OF SIGHT TO BE ABLE TO COMMUNICATE.

SO IF THERE ARE TREES IN THE WAY, IT MEANS THAT YOU GOTTA MAKE SURE THAT THE TREES ARE TRIMMED BACK REGULARLY SO THAT YOU DON'T HAVE INTERRUPTION IN THAT DIRECT LINE OF SIGHT.

AND SO FIBER ELIMINATES THAT NEED, UM, AND, UH, WOULD LIKELY HELP SAVE SOME MONEY.

AND FROM A MAINTENANCE STANDPOINT ON THAT SIDE, ON THE LINE OF SIGHT ISSUE.

SO ON THIS MAP, I'M NOT GONNA GO TOO DEEP INTO IT, BUT YOU KNOW, THE FIRST TWO SIGNALS ON THE ISLAND ARE IN A POD.

THIS NEXT SYSTEM ARE ON THE HEELS OF POD, POD, POD AND POD.

SO THEY'RE ALL CONNECTED TO THE INTERNET.

THEY ALL WORK AS AN ADAPTIVE SIGNALS, BUT THEY WORK AS ADAPTIVE WITHIN THEIR PODS.

THE FIBER CONNECTIVITY ALLOWS US TO LINK THE ENTIRE SYSTEM TOGETHER.

IT, AND IT, IT ALSO ALLOWS US TO HAVE, UH, REDUNDANCY THROUGH MORE THAN ONE CONNECTION POINT TO THE WHOLE, TO EACH SEGMENT INTO THE SYSTEM.

UM, AND WOULD PROVIDE A BENEFIT NOT JUST TO THE SIGNAL SYSTEM, BUT TO SOME OTHER FACILITIES THAT ARE CONNECTED ALONG THE WAY.

UM, WE'VE LOOKED AT IT AND UM, AND WE'VE CHECKED WITH, UM, HARRAY SPARK LIGHT ABOUT A LEASE AGREEMENT, UM, TO RUN THROUGH THEIR FIBER SYSTEM.

AND THEY'VE GIVEN US A, A DISCOUNTED PRICE HERE, ALTHOUGH WE CERTAINLY WOULD LIKE TO TRY TO GET THIS TO ZERO IF WE CAN.

UM, BUT WE CAN LEASE SPACE, UM, ON THEIR SYSTEM.

IT WOULD TAKE ABOUT SIX MONTHS TO IMPLEMENT.

AND WITH THEIR DISCOUNTED PRICE, IT, IT'S ESTIMATED ABOUT $30,000 PER YEAR.

NOW, I DO UNDERSTAND THAT SOME OTHER TECHNOLOGY, UM, SAVINGS MIGHT EXIST WITH, WITH, UH, SOME LEASES THAT WE HAVE WITH THE FIRE DEPARTMENT INFRASTRUCTURE AND OTHER THINGS THAT MIGHT BE ABLE TO OFFSET THAT.

I HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO TALK TO THE TOWN MANAGER ABOUT THAT.

UM,

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BUT, BUT ANYWAY, I THINK IT'S 30,000.

UM, I WANNA LET YOU KNOW THE TOWN IS ADVANCING THIS OPTION TO CONNECT TO FIBER FOR THE BENEFITS THAT I MENTIONED.

AND, UM, AND AGAIN, THE ONLY THING THERE I WOULD WANNA UPDATE, UH, THE TOWN MANAGER AND COUNCIL ON, OR THE FINAL, FINAL PRICE.

AND AS IT RELATES TO WINDMILL HARBOR, UM, WE'VE BEEN IN COMMUNICATION WITH, UH, BEAUFORT COUNTY, UH, TO REQUEST THE SIGNAL BE PROVIDED TO THE TOWN FOR INTEGRATION INTO THE TOWN SIGNAL MAINTENANCE PROGRAM, AND ALSO TO, UM, IMPLEMENT THE ADAPTIVE TRAFFIC SIGNAL TECHNOLOGY, UM, AT THAT LOCATION AND INTEGRATE, UM, INTO THE SYSTEM.

UM, WE SENT A LETTER IN JUNE.

UH, IT WAS IN ADVANCE OF THE DISCUSSION RELATED TO THE BRIDGE PROJECT AND THE MOA, UM, TO, TO RECEIVE THAT AS A CONDITION OF THE MOA THAT THE TOWN PROVIDED TO BEAUFORT COUNTY.

UM, THERE WAS, UM, AN EXPECTATION THAT UPON EXECUTION OF THE MOA, THAT THE SIGNAL WOULD BE PROVIDED TO THE TOWN ALONG WITH THE, UM, THE FINANCES TO UPGRADE THE SIGNAL, UM, TO UPFIT IT WITH THE TECH, THE ADAPTIVE TECHNOLOGY.

UM, AS I UNDERSTAND, WE HAVE A MEETING COMING UP IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF WEEKS TO HAVE SOME DISCUSSION ON THAT.

UM, I'VE BEEN IN CONSTANT CONTACT WITH MY COUNTERPART AT BUFORT COUNTY, UM, WHO SUPPORTS PROVIDING THE SIGNAL TO THE TOWN AND JUST NEEDS AUTHORIZATION ON THE FINANCIAL PART OF IT IN ORDER FOR IT TO COME IN.

SO WE CONTINUE TO PUSH ON THAT.

AND SEAN, FOR CLARITY, I JUST LOOKED DOWN ON MY CALENDAR.

NOVEMBER 12TH, 9:00 AM WE'LL BE TALKING ABOUT THE, THE MOA AND THE SIGNAL WOULD BE FOR COUNTY.

THANK YOU, SIR.

UM, AS I MENTIONED THE MY HHIC CLICK FIX SERVICE REQUEST, YOU KNOW, THIS IS HOW, UM, FOLKS CAN PROVIDE INFORMATION AND, UM, AND REPORT ANY ISSUES WITH THE SYSTEM, NOT JUST FROM A SIGNAL STANDPOINT, BUT ANYTHING WHERE BROKEN FENCE, UH, TREE LIMB DOWN ON THE PATHWAY OR SOMETHING.

BUT MY HHI APP, YOU CAN DOWNLOAD IT FOR YOUR PHONE.

UM, IT'S A AVAIL AVAILABLE ON THE TOWN WEBSITE.

UM, BUT YOU CAN REPORT AN ISSUE AND THERE'S CATEGORIES WHEN YOU GO IN THERE.

YOU CAN DO A DROPDOWN, CLICK THE CATEGORY, UM, AND WHEN IT COMES IN AND SHROUDED TO THE APPROPRIATE STAFF TO ADDRESS THAT.

AND THEN WE ALSO, UH, PROJECT CONTACT INFORMATION HERE WITH JIM IKE, OUR TRANSPORTATION PROGRAM MANAGER.

JIM'S SITTING BEHIND, UH, COUNCIL BACK THERE DOING A GREAT JOB WITH HIS TEAM.

AND WE ALSO HAVE A, A TRAFFIC SIGNAL HOTLINE.

SO IF THERE'S ANY ISSUES YOU CAN REACH OUT AND, UM, AND OUR TEAM IS VERY RESPONSIVE, AGAIN, WITH THAT REMOTE CAPABILITY TO DO THAT.

SO NOW I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU, YOU HAVE ON THIS.

SO I'LL START TO MY LEFT, MR. STANFORD, ANY QUESTIONS? YES.

UM, FIRST OF ALL, MY COMMENT WOULD BE RIDING DOWN ROUTINELY FROM HILTON HEAD PLANTATION.

I'VE NOTICED A SIGNIFICANT IMPROVEMENT.

UH, NORMALLY I ONLY HAVE TO STOP ONCE AND THAT THAT'S A MAJOR IMPROVEMENT.

'CAUSE IT USED TO BE A LOT MORE THAN THAT.

UM, HOW MANY SIGNALS DO WE HAVE? WE CURRENTLY HAVE 25 SIGNALS WHEN MILL HARBOR WOULD BE NUMBER 26 IF ADDED.

UM, YOU MENTIONED THAT THEY ADJUST FOUR TIMES AN HOUR, AND YOU ALSO SAID THEY ADJUST CONDITIONS WARRANT, WHICH IS IT? CORRECT.

AND, UH, SO THEY, WHEN THE SYSTEM GOES COMPLETELY ADAPTIVE, THAT THAT INTERVAL WILL TAKE ON THE WHOLE SYSTEM AND ADJUST, UH, MORE REAL TIME.

RIGHT NOW IT'S SET TO ADJUST UP TO FOUR, WELL, FOUR TIMES PER HOUR.

SO IT ASSESSES THE TRAFFIC CONDITIONS AND ADJUST.

UM, SO FOUR TIMES 24 96, IS THAT RIGHT? 96 TIMES PER DAY.

UM, YOU'RE SAYING WHEN WE GET THE FIBER OPTIC INSTALLED, IT'LL BE MORE INTERACTIVE.

OKAY, GREAT.

I LOVE THE SYSTEM.

I THINK IT'S GREAT.

UM, I ENCOURAGE US TO KEEP IMPROVING IT.

BEEN WAITING AND, UM, WITH SIGNIFICANT IMPACTS TO THEIR DAILY COMMUTES.

THANK YOU, SEAN.

THANKS, MAYOR.

UM, WE WENT OVER THIS YESTERDAY, SO I THINK MOST OF MY QUESTIONS HAVE ALL BEEN ANSWERED.

UM, I DO WANT TO, UM, PUSH ON THE IDEA THAT BEAUFORT COUNTY, NOT ONLY IN THE MOA EXPECTATIONS, UM, THAT WERE SET FORTH, UM, A FEW MONTHS BACK WHEN WE WERE DISCUSSING THE BRIDGE, BUT PREVIOUS TO THAT THEY HAD ALSO, UM, AGREED TO INTEGRATE THE WINDMILL HARBOR LIGHT.

AND SO THIS IS WELL LONG OVERDUE.

UM, SO NOVEMBER 12TH IS RIGHT AROUND THE CORNER AND GOOD LUCK.

AND IF YOU NEED , UM, YOU KNOW, ANY ADDITIONAL SUPPORT, I THINK THIS COUNCIL SHOULD BE PREPARED TO, TO SIGN A LETTER SAYING THAT WE ARE ALL PUSHING BOTH OUR TOWN MANAGER AND OUR MAYOR IN THAT DISCUSSION TO MAKE THIS ACTUALLY HAPPEN.

WE'VE BEEN WAITING AND, AND IT'S NOT SO MUCH THAT WE'VE BEEN WAITING, IT'S IT'S THAT EVERYBODY WHO CROSSES THROUGH FROM MOSS CREEK, FROM THE OTHER SIDE IN BLUFFTON TO HILTON HEAD HAS

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SO I WANTED TO MAKE SURE I SAID THAT.

UM, I ALSO WANTED TO SAY ANECDOTALLY, UM, WHILE YES, THERE ARE IMPROVEMENTS, I STILL HEAR A LOT OF, UM, ISSUES WITH REGARD TO HOW THE LIGHTS ARE FUNCTIONING, BUT ONCE THE FIBER OPTICS GOES IN, IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE'LL BE SOME ADDITIONAL ISSUES COMING AND I THINK THERE'LL BE MR. JAMES.

THANK YOU MAYOR SEAN.

UM, IF THE BRIDGE PROJECT IS GOING TO BE COMPLETED IN 5, 6, 7, 8 YEARS, WHATEVER THAT NUMBER IS, WE HAVE, UH, A FAIRLY SIGNIFICANT PERIOD OF TIME WHERE WE'RE STILL RELYING ON TWO LANES ACROSS THE BRIDGE.

IF WE'RE TALKING SIGNALS, DOES IT NOT MAKE SENSE FOR THE MOSS CREEK, UH, MOSS CREEK SIGNAL TO BE INTEGRATED SO THAT IT CAN REGULATE THE NUMBER OF CARS COMING ONTO THAT TWO LANE ROAD AT CRITICAL TIMES OF THIS YEAR? IT SEEMS TO ME THAT WE AS A COUNCIL HAVE TO COME UP WITH INTERIM SOLUTIONS DURING THOSE 5, 6, 7, 8 YEARS, AND THIS MAY BE ONE OF THEM.

UM, WE'RE FOLLOWING UP ON WINDMILL HARBOR.

THANK YOU, MS. BRYSON.

THANK YOU MAYOR.

AND, UM, THANK YOU TO MR. COLEN, AND ESPECIALLY THANKS TO THE TEAM WORKING ON THE SYSTEM.

I APPRECIATE, I ALWAYS LIKE TO SEE THE TERM CONTINUOUS IMPROVEMENT, REALLY IMPORTANT TO DO.

UM, AND I, I KNOW THERE'S BEEN SOME CRITICISM IN THE PUBLIC ABOUT IT, SO I THINK IT'S VERY HELPFUL FOR US TO HAVE THIS UPDATE AND TO SHOW HOW, UH, IT HAS BEEN IMPROVED AND IT'S GONNA CONTINUE TO BE IMPROVED.

UM, I KNOW WE DON'T HAVE A, A LOT OF STAFF THAT, UH, THAT, UH, MANAGES THE SYSTEM.

AND SO A QUESTION ALWAYS IS, IS THERE MORE, UM, HELP NEEDED, UM, TO MANAGE THE SYSTEM? UM, SO IT'S, IT'S ONE OF THE QUESTIONS THAT I HAD POSED EARLIER.

UM, I DON'T EXPECT A COUPLE OF FOLKS THERE TO SIT BY THEIR COMPUTERS OR THEIR PHONES TWENTY FOUR SEVEN.

UM, BUT, UH, I KNOW THAT SOMETIMES WE DO HAVE CHALLENGES, UH, IN THOSE HOURS THAT ARE AFTER NORMAL WORK HOURS.

SO I, I THINK THAT'D BE HELPFUL TO FIND OUT ABOUT, UM, THE, UM, THE MEASUREMENTS.

YOU KNOW, FOLKS WILL BE CRITICAL ABOUT ONLY, ONLY SAVE SO MANY SECONDS, BUT I THINK POINTING OUT THE OTHER KIND OF IMPROVEMENTS, UM, AND I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU MEASURE IMPROVED SAFETY FLOW, SORRY, IMPROVE TRAFFIC FLOW, UM, OR IMPROVE SAFETY.

UM, SO IF, IF THERE'S SOME OTHER MEASUREMENTS AND, AND, YOU KNOW, I HAVE NO IDEA HOW YOU MEASURE HOW EFFECTIVE A SYSTEM LIKE THIS IS, BUT MAYBE LOOK AT OTHER WAYS THAT WE CAN MEASURE ITS EFFECTIVENESS.

UM, THE, UM, I, I, I LEARNED, UM, IN PREPARING FOR THIS WORKSHOP TODAY IN MEETING WITH STAFF THAT, UH, I THOUGHT IT WAS ALL ABOUT THE CAMERAS, BUT THEN I KEPT SEEING THIS PAGE ABOUT, OR A COUPLE OF PAGES ABOUT RADAR, UM, AND I THOUGHT, OKAY, WELL IT'S, THERE'S GOTTA BE A WAY TO, UH, CONVEY INFORMATION.

UM, SO CAMERAS PLUS RADAR IS REALLY WHAT THE SYSTEM IS ABOUT.

AND NOW, UM, THE INTERCONNECTIVITY IS IMPORTANT.

UM, SO I, UM, I THINK ONE OF THE QUESTIONS FOLKS ARE GONNA HAVE WITH USING A FIBER SYSTEM THROUGH, UH, SPARK LIGHT, FORMERLY HAR GRAY, IS THE RECENT, UH, CHALLENGE THAT, UH, THAT PARTICULAR COMPANY HAD WITH THEIR FIBER SYSTEM.

UM, SO, UH, I THINK WE NEED TO SAY WHAT IS THE BACKUP IF THE FIBER SYSTEM FAILS, UM, IF THAT INTERNET SYSTEM FAILS.

UM, THEN, UM, QUESTION WAS HERE, UM, UH, IMPROVING DURING COMMUNITY EVENTS, UH, DURING CRESCENDO, NOW WE'RE HAVING SPECIAL EVENTS.

UM, I WAS AT THE SYMPHONY, UM, AT FIRST PRE THAT WAS MOVED TO FIRST PRESBYTERIAN CHURCH FROM OUTDOORS ON FRIDAY NIGHT.

UM, AND, UH, JUST GOING, UH, THE STOPLIGHT THERE AT FIRST PRESBYTERIAN CHURCH, BETWEEN THAT AND THE FIRE STATION, UM, YOU DID HAVE TO SIT THERE A WHILE .

UM, SO, UM, FOR COMMUNITY EVENTS LIKE THAT, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE RESPONDING TO THAT.

THE OTHER TIME THAT I NOTICED A CHALLENGE WITH THE SYSTEM WAS THE ITALIAN AMERICAN HERITAGE FESTIVAL, AND I DIDN'T KNOW WHETHER, UH, WE HAD ADJUSTED OUR, OUR, UH, SIGNALS FOR THAT SPECIAL EVENT.

I JUST DON'T KNOW.

I SEE IT IN THE LIST OF THINGS TO ADDRESS.

UM, AND CERTAINLY THE EVENTS AT LOW COUNTRY CELEBRATION PARK, THAT SIGNAL AT LAGOON ROAD, UM, GETTING TRAFFIC IN AND OUT, ESPECIALLY OUT.

UM, SO I WANNA HEAR A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THE COMMUNITY EVENTS.

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IT'S A LOT OF TIME GONE BY SINCE THAT REQUEST WAS SENT, SO I'M GLAD THAT THERE'S A MEETING SCHEDULED.

UM, AND ALSO WITH THE MOA, BUT CERTAINLY THAT TRAFFIC SIGNAL IS CAUSING SOME PROBLEMS IN FOLKS SEEING HOW WELL OUR SYSTEM IS WORKING.

SO I'M GLAD WE'RE FOLLOWING UP ON THAT.

SO THOSE ARE MY LIST OF NOTES AND COMMENTS, BUT THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE UPDATE, MR. BROWN.

THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR.

UM, FIRST I, I WANNA JUST COMMEND EVERYONE ON THIS EFFORT BECAUSE WE ARE HAVING A DIFFERENT DISCUSSION THAN WE HAVE IN THE PAST.

I REMEMBER GETTING POINTS ON OUR TRAFFIC SIGNALS JUST TO TELL US HOW MANY CALLS WE'RE TURNING, RIGHT? HOW MANY CALLS WE'RE TURNING LEFT, AND NOW WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO ADAPT.

I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE ARE IN A BETTER PLACE.

UM, AND WITH THAT BEING SAID, I GUESS MY FIRST QUESTION IS, UH, IS THE SYSTEM SORT OF RELATIVE TO OUR CELL PHONES WHERE EVERY YEAR THERE'S A NEW ONE COMING OUT AND , HOW ARE WE GONNA KEEP UP WITH THE UPGRADES, I GUESS IS MY, MY FIRST QUESTION ABOUT THIS, UM, FAR AS THE, UH, FIBER CONNECTIVITY, I'M GLAD THAT WE'RE PURSUING THAT.

I'LL DEFINITELY SUPPORT THAT.

UM, BUT I'M JUST SORT OF PLANTING A SEED WITH COUNCIL HERE.

THIS MAY BE A BIGGER CONVERSATION.

I KNOW THAT THERE'S FEDERAL MONIES THAT ARE AVAILABLE FOR THIS TYPE OF INFRASTRUCTURE.

I'VE BEEN HEARING FROM CONSTITUENTS THEIR CONCERN ABOUT FIBER CON CONNECTIVITY ISLAND WIDE, RIGHT? SO, UM, THERE MAY BE SOME OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO PARTNER WITH THE PROVIDERS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE HAVING, YOU KNOW, GREAT COVERAGE ON THE ISLAND.

THAT SORT OF REMINDS ME OF WHEN WE HAD THE CELL PHONE TOWER TASK FORCE YEARS AGO TO, TO GET BETTER COVERAGE HERE ON HILTON HEAD.

UM, BUT IN ORDER FOR THIS SYSTEM TO WORK EFFECTIVELY, UNDERSTAND THAT WE NEED THAT FIBER CONNECTIVITY.

SO I'M IN SUPPORT OF THAT AS WELL.

AND I, I THINK THE LAST, UH, SORT OF QUESTION, UM, THAT BO HAD FOR US WAS ABOUT THE BACKUP SITUATION.

UM, AS FAR AS POWER OUTAGE IS CONCERNED, I SUPPORT THAT, BUT I ALSO, UM, ARE THINKING ON THE SAME LINES AS COUNCILMAN BRYSON AS FAR AS BACKUP WHEN IT COMES TO INTERNET CONNECTIVITY AS WELL.

SO THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS.

GOOD JOB GUYS.

WANNA FOLLOW UP A LITTLE BIT ON THE, UH, MATTER OF CONTINUOUS IMPROVEMENT.

STATED THAT COMMENTS COMING THROUGH MY HHI HAVE BEEN DECLINING.

UH, ASSUME YOU'VE GOT MULTIPLE SOURCES OF INFORMATION AS TO WHERE THERE MAY BE DEEP OR THERE MAY BE ITEMS ITEM.

HOW DO YOU, HOW DO YOU DEAL WITH THAT OF FINDING OUT WHERE THE PROBLEMS ARE? SO, JUMP IN.

UM, SO THE, MY HHI APP, UM, INCLUDES A GEOCODING, SO YOU CAN PUT IN EXACTLY WHAT LOCATION, THERE'S A DOWN LIMB OR WHICH SIGNAL, UM, IS NOT FUNCTIONING, UH, PROPERLY.

AND SO, UH, THAT'S ALL TRACKED AND MANAGED TO UNDERSTAND.

UH, WE UNDERSTAND WHICH SIGNALS MAY HAVE HAD MORE ISSUES THAN, THAN OTHERS.

AND SO, UH, WE CERTAINLY, UH, ALLOCATE THE RESOURCES TO MAKE SURE TO ADJUST THAT ACCORDINGLY.

MY PRI PRIMARY QUESTION IS NOT ABOUT MY HHI, IT'S ABOUT HOW OTHERWISE YOU FIND OUT ABOUT AREAS THAT NEED IMPROVEMENT.

YEAH, WE HAVE A HOTLINE, UM, THAT FOLKS CAN CALL.

THERE'S, UH, CONTACT INFORMATION.

YOU CAN GO THROUGH OUR WEBSITE.

UM, JIM JIM'S LISTED AS PROJECT MANAGER FOR THIS PROJECT, SO YOU CAN CON YOU CAN CONTACT HIM.

UM, ANYTHING THAT COMES IN, IT'LL, IT'LL ROUTE THROUGH OUR SYSTEM AND OUR ASSET MANAGEMENT PRO, UH, PROGRAM MANAGER, JOHN JURY, AND THEN THEY'RE LINKED UP, UM, DIRECTLY TO THE PROJECT MANAGER WITH OVERSIGHT.

DO YOU NEED TO HAVE A SITUATION WHERE THE SCHOOL BOARD TELLS YOU THEIR BUSES CAN'T GET THROUGH IE SOMEBODY'S ACTUALLY CONTACTED THE TOWN? YES, SIR.

ABSENT THAT SITUATION, HOW DO YOU FIND OUT ABOUT WHERE THE PROBLEM AREAS ARE? WELL, ONE, OUR TEAM'S ALWAYS ASSESSING OUR SYSTEM TO UNDERSTAND WHERE THERE'S OPPORTUNITIES FOR IMPROVEMENT.

UM, BUT FOR THE SCHOOL DISTRICT, WE DID GET A CONTACT FROM THEIR FACILITIES OPERATIONS DIRECTOR TO SAY THAT THERE WAS A POTENTIAL ISSUE THERE AND COULD WE LOOK INTO ADJUSTMENTS AT THAT SIGNAL? AND I, I'LL HELP WITH THIS TOO 'CAUSE I, I THINK THE, THE QUESTION IS SOMEONE NEEDS TO TELL US, AND THE ONE WAY WE KNOW IS THE SCHOOL OR SOMEBODY DRIVING ON THE ROAD TELLS US THAT, I'LL SAY ANOTHER WAY.

I GOT AN EMAIL FROM, FROM JIM THE OTHER DAY.

I SAID, HEY, CAN WE COMPARE

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SOME NOTES? HE SAID, WELL, I'VE BEEN UP SINCE 3:30 AM WITH THERESA, AND WE DID AN ISLAND DRIVE THROUGH TO CHECK SIGNALS POST STORM 3:30 AM BECAUSE THEY'VE BEEN HEARING THAT THERE ARE ISSUES AT THOSE TIMES OF NIGHT, RIGHT? THE LIGHT WOULD TURN RED OR GREEN ON YOU AND THERE WOULDN'T BE ANY SIDE CONNECT TRAFFIC.

AND THEY'RE, AND THEY DRIVE THROUGH.

SO THEY'RE CONSTANTLY DRIVING AND, AND THEY'RE ALSO ASSESSING THE SYSTEM TOO.

SO IT, IT'S DEFINITELY AT ALL ANGLES.

SO THAT, THAT WAS THE INFORMATION I WAS LOOKING FOR, NOT WHEN JIM IS UP AT, IN THE MIDDLE OF THE AROUND WITH THERESA.

I JUST THREW THAT IN BECAUSE JIM'S IN THE ROOM.

ALRIGHT, SO A COUPLE THINGS.

UM, ALL GREAT COMMENTS.

UM, YOU KNOW, UH, MS. BRYSON BROUGHT UP, YOU KNOW, EVENT MANAGEMENT AND, AND I THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE A STANDARD OPERATING PROCEDURE WHENEVER THERE'S AN EVENT, WHEN A PERMIT IS ISSUED, IT IS, IS RELAYED TO THE TRANSPORTATION DEPARTMENT.

SO THEY'RE WELL AWARE OF WHAT'S COMING UP AND THEY KNOW HOW TO FLUSH OUT, YOU KNOW, THESE EVENTS AS THEY, AS THEY START TO CLOSE FOR THE AFTERNOON OR THE EVENING.

UM, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, THE ENVIRONMENTAL, THE, THE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT GOES MORE THAN JUST, YOU KNOW, THE EMISSIONS.

UM, AS WE TRY TO, TO REDUCE THE IMPACT IN OUR, YOU KNOW, OVERALL NATURE, UM, HAVING CARS MOVE BETTER AND MORE EFFICIENTLY WILL HELP OUT ALL THE WAY AROUND.

UM, AND THEN THE LAST ONE GOES BACK TO THE REDUNDANCY SIDE.

AND NOT ONLY FROM THE, UM, CONNECTIVITY, BUT ALSO FROM THE HUMAN CAPITAL SIDE.

UM, WHO ELSE? UM, YOU KNOW, THERE'S TWO PEOPLE THAT ARE WITHIN IT, THREE PEOPLE IN THAT, IN THAT DEPARTMENT, YOU KNOW, WHO ELSE, UM, WOULD BE ABLE TO BE THERE AT, AT THOSE LATE HOURS, YOU KNOW, IS IT FIRE AND RESCUE? SOMEBODY COULD BE CROSS-TRAINED.

UM, BUT HAVING THAT OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE CERTAIN THAT, YOU KNOW, SYSTEMS ARE ALWAYS UP AND RUNNING, THEY'RE BEING, BEING ADDRESSED APPROPRIATELY.

SO THAT'S SOMETHING ELSE I WOULD LOOK AT IN, IN A, IN ADDITION TO, YOU KNOW, THE CONNECTIVITY SIDE.

SO ANY RESPONSES BACK TO US? GO AHEAD, DAVID.

UM, WE HAVE THE CAPABILITY AT STOP LIGHTS, TRAFFIC LIGHTS AT THIS POINT TO ACTUALLY BE PHOTOGRAPHING CARS.

WE PHOTOGRAPH CARS.

GOOD QUE I MEAN, I, I KNOW WE HAVE VID, WE HAVE VIDEO, UH, SOME SIGNALS WHERE I'M, WHERE I'M HEADED IS, UM, AT SOME POINT WE HAVE TO UNDERSTAND HOW MANY CARS ONLY HAVE ONE PASSENGER COMING ON TO THE ISLAND.

THAT'S JUST A DATA POINT THAT OVER TIME MIGHT VALUABLE.

SOMETHING THAT WE COULD INTEGRATE INTO OUR ANNUAL TRAFFIC COUNTS.

I THINK WE'VE DONE THAT IN THE PAST TO UNDERSTAND, UM, AN OCCUPANCY COMPONENT, NOT JUST THE VOLUME OF CARS OR VEHICLES THAT ARE COMING.

THE TRAFFIC SIGNALS TO TALK TO EACH OTHER THROUGH THE SOFTWARE.

DO YOU HAVE ANY RESPONSES THAT YOU WANNA PROVIDE BACK? YEAH, I MEAN, IF, IF YOU DON'T MIND, UM, CERTAINLY, UH, UNDERSTAND THE SENSE OF URGENCY ON THE MINIMAL HARBOR SIGNAL AND, UM, YOU KNOW, YESTERDAY IS STILL WAY TOO LATE TO GET IT.

UM, IT WAS, AS COUNCILMAN BECKER MENTIONED IN THE RECOMMENDATIONS FROM 2021 THAT THAT SIGNAL BE UPGRADED AS THE WHAT AS THE PROJECT ADVANCED.

UM, I WILL SAY COUNCIL AND THEIR WISDOM DID IDENTIFY MOSS CREEK AND THE BUCKINGHAM LANDING LIGHT ON THE PARKWAY, UH, TO LOOK AT HOW THOSE SIGNALS INTEGRATE INTO, UH, THE MAJOR CORRIDOR.

AND I DO AGREE THAT THOSE SHOULD BE CONSIDERED FOR ADAPTIVE UPGRADE IN THE SHORTER TERM, NOT JUST WITH THE PROJECT, JOHN.

SO WHAT IS THE ACTION ON THE PART OF COUNCIL TO MAKE THAT A PRIORITY? I, I THINK, UH, WE COULD MAKE THAT REQUEST TO THE COUNTY IF THAT'S WHAT COUNCIL DESIRED.

UM, WE'LL HAVE TO GET BACK TO YOU, UH, ON THE STAFFING AND THE RESOURCE, UH, QUESTION.

UM, AND OTHER MEASUREMENTS, UH, THAT WE HAVE FOR EFFECTIVENESS OF THE SYSTEM.

WE CERTAINLY CAN DO THAT.

UM, WE'LL LOOK AT BACKUPS OF THE, IF FIBER SYSTEM FAILS.

TOMMY, OH, I'M SORRY.

THERE YOU GO.

TOMMY, OUR DIRECTOR OF TECHNOLOGY, TOMMY SUNDAY, CAN GIVE SOME MORNING EVERYONE, UH, JUST TO TALK ABOUT THE FIBER CONNECTIVITY.

SO WHEN YOU THINK OF FIBER, IT'S NOT JUST ALWAYS INTERNET.

SO WHAT WE WOULD BE DOING IS USING WHAT'S CALLED DARK FIBER.

SO IT'S ONLY BASICALLY CONNECTING POINT A TO POINT B OR POINT B TO POINT C.

SO IT'S CURRENTLY THE WAY WE HAVE OUR TOWN, UH, INFRASTRUCTURE SET UP, WE USE DARK FIBER BETWEEN ALL OF OUR BUILDINGS.

AND THEN WE HAVE FOUR DIFFERENT WAYS FOR YOU TO GET OUT TO THE INTERNET.

WE USE HAR GRAY SPARK LIGHT, WE USE SPECTRUM, WE HAVE A CRADLE POINT, WHICH IS CELLULAR MOTOR, AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE A STARLINK SATELLITE.

SO WE HAVE FOUR DIFFERENT WAYS TO, TO GET OUT TO THE INTERNET FOR THE, FOR, UH,

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AND THEN, LIKE I SAID, THE DARK FIBER WOULD GIVE YOU THE ABILITY TO PROVIDE MORE OF A RELIABLE CONNECTION, JUST LIKE SEAN HAD MENTIONED.

AND THEN WE WOULD KEEP THE POINT TO POINT SYSTEM THAT'S IN PLACE RIGHT NOW AS A FAILOVER FOR THAT FIBER CONNECTIVITY.

ALSO, BY DR.

FIBER, I ASSUME YOU MEAN UNUSED? YES, SO IT IS CALLED DARK FIBER BECAUSE THE ONLY TIME IT'S USED IS IT'S DIRECTLY DEDICATED TO US.

SO OUR EQUIPMENT LIGHTS UP THE FIBER.

SO, UH, WE WOULD HAVE A NETWORK SWITCH AT EACH LOCATION, WHICH WE ALREADY DO WITH A POINT-TO-POINT SYSTEM.

WE'LL JUST ADD A FIBER ADAPTER TO CONNECT TO THAT NETWORK EQUIPMENT AND THEN THAT WOULD PROVIDE THAT CONNECTIVITY.

AND LIKE I SAID, WE WOULD USE THE EXISTING POINT-TO-POINT SYSTEM AS OUR FAILOVER ALSO.

SO JUST A FOLLOW UP.

AND MY SPECIFIC QUESTION WAS ABOUT, UM, LOOKING TO RAISE EQUIPMENT, EQUIPMENT OF SPARK LIGHT, FORMERLY KNOWN AS HARRAY.

MAY UH, I HEAR THE REDUNDANCY , YES, BUT I GUESS MY QUESTION IS IF WE'RE GONNA GO WITH ONE PARTICULAR COMPANY, WHOEVER THAT MIGHT BE, TO LEASE SPACE, LEASE FIBER SPACE, I'M NOT SURE QUITE WHAT RELEASING MM-HMM, , UM, UH, THEN IF IT'S ONLY WITH ONE COMPANY AND THEIR SYSTEM FAILS, WHERE'S A REDUNDANCY THERE? SO WITH THE, LIKE, TO GO BACK TO THE COMPARISON BETWEEN DARK FIBER AND INTERNET, I SAID THE DARK FIBER IS JUST PROVIDING CONNECTIVITY IN BETWEEN.

WE DID AN RFP, UH, ROUGHLY 18 MONTHS AGO NOW FOR, UH, LEASING DARK FIBER.

SO THAT WAS, THAT WAS, UH, HARD GRAY SPARK LIGHT ONE NAP, UH, THAT BID.

SO THAT WAS THE THOUGHT IS TO CONTINUE USING THEM.

WE GOT SOME ROUGH ESTIMATES FOR, FOR, YOU KNOW, LAYING OUR OWN FIBER IN THE GROUND.

UH, IT WAS ANYWHERE FROM A MILLION AND A HALF TO $2 MILLION.

AND THEN ALSO THE, THE DELAY WOULD BE THE PERMITTING, THE CONSTRUCTION, THINGS LIKE THAT.

AND IF YOU THINK ABOUT IT, AT $30,000 A YEAR, YOUR RETURN ON INVESTMENT IS 25 YEARS FROM NOW.

SO, UH, YOU AND I, BY THEN THERE'S GONNA BE A NEW TRAFFIC SIGNAL OR WILL BE FLYING AROUND OR SOMETHING.

LET ME ASK THE QUESTION A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENTLY.

WITH THE MAJOR OUTAGE THAT HARGER EXPERIENCED WITH THE WIRE BEING CUT, WOULD THAT HAVE AFFECTED OUR TRAFFIC SYSTEM IF ON THE DARK FIBER, NO.

SO LIKE I SAID, THAT THAT JUST PROVIDES THE CONNECTIVITY IN BETWEEN THE BUILDINGS, THAT IS, THAT IS A LOCAL CONNECTION THAT THAT IS NOT AFFECTED BY OUTSOURCE OFF SOURCE, OFF PREMISE.

AND THAT'S WHERE OUR REDUNDANCY FOR OUR INTERNET PIPES COME IN.

YOU DON'T NEED REDUNDANCY FOR DARK FIBER.

WELL, YOU, WE WOULD HAVE THE DARK FIBER AND THEN WE WOULD HAVE A POINT TO POINT THE EXISTING SYSTEM THAT'S ALREADY IN PLACE IS OUR REDUNDANCY.

THE FIBER IS THE REDUNDANCY.

IT WOULD BE THE PRIMARY.

AND THEN THE POINT TO POINT WOULD BECOME OUR REDUNDANCY.

THE CURRENT SYSTEM WOULD BE THE BACKUP.

THE OTHER WAY AROUND.

AND THE ONLY, YOU KNOW, IN THAT SITUATION, IF A TRUCK HIT A TRAFFIC CABINET BROKE THE FIBER OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, YOU WOULD HAVE THE POINT TO POINT SYSTEM HAS THE FAILOVER.

THE TOMMY COULDN'T HAVE BEEN BETTER ON THE TECHNOLOGY LIMITATIONS.

UH, THE NEXT THING IS SPECIAL MANAGEMENT.

WE ADJUST FOR LARGE, UM, AND ABOUT CERTAIN LOCATIONS, SO YOU'LL BE ABLE TO PERMIT PROBABLY, PROBABLY SO, SO ON CAMERA.

SO, UM, THE GOOD NEWS THAT OUR TEAM, TEAM GENERAL, WE WILL GET ATTENTION TO MAKE SURE THAT, AND, UH, YEAH, IF WE ONLY HAD A REMOTE TO TURN THAT ON AND OFF.

SO ,

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SO THANK YOU TOMMY AGAIN.

UM, GREAT COMMENT ABOUT GRANTS FOR FIBER, UM, WHETHER IT'S TO SUPPORT A TOWN INITIATIVE OR, UM, TO MAKE, UH, INTERNET AND FI FIBER CONNECTIVITY MORE AVAILABLE ISLAND WIDE AND CERTAINLY COULD LOOK INTO THAT.

AND THEN THANK YOU FOR, UH, THE COMMENT ABOUT SUPPORTING THE BATTERY BACKUPS, UM, AS WE LOOK AT WAYS TO, UM, MINIMIZE OUTAGES OR ANY KIND OF INTERRUPTIONS, UH, IN OUR SERVICE.

UH, THERE, UH, MAYOR, GREAT COMMENT ABOUT ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS.

YEAH, THERE'S OBVIOUSLY A LOT OF IMPACTS, UM, ABOUT HAVING A MORE EFFICIENT TRANSPORTATION SYSTEM, AGAIN, FOR BIKE PAD AND VEHICLES.

UM, ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS GO BEYOND JUST EMISSION SAVINGS.

UM, AND THEN AGAIN, REDUNDANCY FROM A, UH, SYSTEM STANDPOINT AND THEN A STAFFING STANDPOINT.

I THINK WE CERTAINLY NEED TO LOOK AT THAT.

SO WE'RE NOT WEARING OUT JIM, THERESA, AND OTHERS AT FOUR O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING.

UM, I THINK I COVERED MOST EVERYTHING THAT WAS BROUGHT UP.

ONE QUICK FOLLOW UP ON THE, UH, COMMUNITY EVENTS.

YOU KNOW, WE HAVE LANTERN PARADE COMING UP, SO THERE'S GONNA BE A LOT OF TRAFFIC FOR THAT AND, AND I KNOW THERE'S GONNA BE A LOT OF COMMUNICATION ABOUT WHERE TO PARK AND WHERE TO SHUTTLE, ET CETERA.

UH, MAYBE THINK ABOUT PUTTING SOMETHING IN THERE ABOUT, UM, THE SIGNAL SYSTEM.

UM, I, I DON'T KNOW WHAT VERB YOU USED TO DESCRIBE MANAGED , UM, DURING A SPECIAL EVENT.

SO PLEASE BE PATIENT, UH, SOMETHING UNDERSTOOD.

YEAH, THANK YOU FOR THAT COMMENT.

OKAY, ANYTHING ELSE? MOVE ON.

ALRIGHT, SO THE NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA, UM, IS DISCUSSION OF THE MAJOR, THE MAJOR THOROUGHFARE CORRIDORS PLAN.

UM, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT'S BEEN PRESENTED PREVIOUSLY TO COUNCIL, WHAT I WOULD CALL THE PAN, THE PATTERN OR STANDARDS BOOK, WHICH LOOKED AT INTERSECTION TREATMENTS, UM, AND OPPORTUNITIES PATHWAYS, UH, CROSS SECTIONS OF ROADS, UM, WAYS TO ENHANCE, UM, BIKE PATTERN AND VEHICULAR SAFETY AND OVERALL EFFICIENCY OF THE SYSTEM.

THE THE FIRST SEGMENT I'M GONNA COVER THOUGH, WITHIN THAT, UM, IS REALLY AN UPDATE ON WHAT WE CALL THE NORTHRIDGE AREA OR SEGMENT THREE, SORRY FOR SO MANY NAMES, BUT REALLY RUNS FROM BEAT CITY ROAD TO DILLON ROAD.

UH, WE PRESENTED THIS INFORMATION, UM, UM, TO, TO COUNCIL PREVIOUSLY AND WANNA LET YOU KNOW THAT WE'RE, WELL WHAT, WHAT WE'RE ADVANCING IN, UH, THE SAFETY IMPROVEMENTS THAT WE'RE, UH, CURRENTLY ACTIVE ON.

AND SO, UH, I'LL QUICKLY GO OVER LOCATION.

I'LL GIVE YOU AN OVERVIEW OF, UM, WHAT BROUGHT US HERE, EXISTING CONDITIONS AND THEN SCOPE FUNDING SCHEDULE.

AND THEN IT CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE AS IT RELATES TO THAT THIS PROJECT.

SO FROM A LOCA READY TO GO.

ALRIGHT, FROM A LOCATION STANDPOINT ON THE, ON THE SLIDE HERE ON THE LEFT SIDE IS, UM, JUST PAST THE INTERSECTION OF BEE CITY ROAD AND WILLIAM MILTON PARKWAY.

IT'S GOT GARDNER DRIVE ON THE, UH, OPPOSITE SIDE OF BEAT CITY ROAD.

UM, AND THEN IT GOES THROUGH WHAT WE CALL THE NORTHRIDGE SECTION.

'CAUSE THIS IS NORTHRIDGE PLAZA SEA TURTLE MARKETPLACE.

UM, THAT INCLUDES, UM, MATTHEWS DRIVE INTERSECTION, UM, AND THEN THROUGH TO THE DILLON ROAD INTERSECTION.

UM, AND THEN THE, UH, THE OTHER SIDE IS PLAZA DRIVE TO, TO PORT ROYAL PLAZA.

SO THE PROJECT IS ALL IN CO.

UM, IS LOOKS AT THE ENTIRETY OF THE ELEMENTS THAT ARE WITHIN THAT, THAT RECTANGLE ON THE SCREEN WITHIN THAT EXTENT.

SO, JUST A REMINDER THAT TOWN COUNCIL HAD PRIORITIZED SE THE SEGMENT THREE OF THE NORTHRIDGE AREA PREVIOUSLY BECAUSE IT HAD THE HIGHEST FREQUENCY, UH, OF INCIDENTS AND ACCIDENTS INVOLVING BIKE AND PEDS, UH, WITH, WITH, UH, MOTOR VEHICLES.

UM, AND WHAT WE LOOKED, LOOKED AT THROUGH THE ASSESSMENT WAS SPEED LIMIT IN THAT AREA CURRENTLY IS POSTED AT 45 MILES AN HOUR, BUT I THINK PEOPLE ARE DRIVING THROUGH THERE AT A MUCH HIGHER RATE OF SPEED.

UM, THERE'S INCONSISTENT INTERSECTION PAYMENT MARKINGS, CROSSING ANGLES, SIGNAGE, UM, AND LACK OF MEDIAN PLANNINGS IN THAT SECTION, WHICH DOESN'T DETER ANYONE FROM, OR DOESN'T, UM, MOVE ANYONE TO CROSS AT A SIGNALIZE INTERSECTION WHERE THEY SHOULD BE CROSSING, UH, OR AT A SIGNALIZE UH, CROSSWALK, BUT WHAT, BUT CROSSING ANYWHERE WITHIN THAT SEGMENT.

UM, AND SO THIS, THESE AREAS WERE IDENTIFIED, UH, FOR OPPORTUNITIES FOR IMPROVEMENT.

SO AGAIN, EXISTING CONDITIONS, THE SPEED LIMIT THERE IS POSTED AT 45.

I'D SAY ACTUAL SPEEDS PROBABLY MOVE IN EXCESS OF THAT REGULARLY.

UH,

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THERE'S THREE SIGNALIZE INTERSECTIONS WITHIN THIS, UH, SECTION.

UH, AGAIN, AT BEACH CITY, MATTHEWS AND DI, THERE ARE TWO UNSIGNED INTERSECTIONS WITH DIFFERING TREATMENTS.

ONE AT THE NORTH RIDGE ENTRANCE AND ONE AT PALMETTO PARKWAY.

UM, THERE'S NO PATHWAY LIGHTING AND THERE'S CERTAINLY INCONSISTENT PATHWAY, UH, SIGNAGE.

AND SO, UM, ON THIS SLIDE, UM, I ADDED THIS SPECIFICALLY TO SHOW HERE ARE THE MAIN INTERSECTIONS AND CROSSINGS THAT WE HAVE WITHIN THE SECTION.

LET'S START HERE.

ON THE TOP LEFT BEACH CITY ROAD INTERSECTION, YOU CAN SEE THAT THERE ARE THREE CROSS UH, CROSSWALK OPPORTUNITIES AND ALL THREE ARE DIFFERENT.

AND I KNOW THAT WE'VE PROBABLY SAID THIS TO YOU BEFORE, BUT WE'VE GOT A DIFFERENT COLOR AND MATERIAL HERE.

WE'VE GOT THE CON CONTINENTAL, WHICH COUNCIL SUPPORTED PREVIOUSLY IN THIS SECTION.

AND THEN YOU'VE GOT THE, WHAT'S THIS CALLED, LADDER, LADDER PATTERN WITH JUST THE TWO WHITE LINES.

UM, AND YOU CAN SEE THE DIFFERING IN ENG UH, ANGLES.

YOU GO TO MATTHEWS DRIVE AND YOU HAVE RELATIVELY CONSISTENT CROSSWALK STRIPING, ALTHOUGH IT'S VERY FADED AND NEEDS TO BE UPGRADED.

UH, AND YOU CAN SEE THE DIFFERENCE IN THE ANGLES AT MATTHEWS WHEN YOU GO INTO PALMETTO PARKWAY AND NORTHRIDGE INTERSECTION.

YOU CAN SEE THE DIFFERENT TREATMENTS AT ALL OF THESE CROSSINGS, UM, AND SORT OF THE, THE WEIRD ANGLES THAT COULD BE STRAIGHTENED, THAT SHOULD BE STRAIGHTENED UP.

AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING WITH THE PROJECT HERE.

AND THEN AT DILLON ROAD, YOU CAN SEE THAT THE CROSSWALK PURPOSEFULLY ANGLES, UM, TO GO AROUND THE MEDIUM NOSE RATHER THAN PROVIDE A, A PEDESTRIAN REFUGE IN THE MIDDLE.

AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'RE ADDRESSING WITH THIS, UH, WITH THIS PROJECT.

SO YOU CAN SEE FROM THIS, I HOPE THE NEED TO PROVIDE CONSISTENCY AND SOME CONFIDENCE THAT BIKE PAD AND, UH, AND MOTOR VEHICLE, UH, UH, OPERATION MOTOR VEHICLES ARE, UH, UNDERSTAND THE SAME CONDITIONS AS THEY MOVE THROUGH THESE INTERSECTIONS.

AND SO, JUST ANOTHER SLIDE HERE ON EXISTING CONDITIONS, THIS IS, UH, ONE OF THE INTERSECTIONS, UM, THAT THE INTERSECT, UH, UNSIGNED AT NORTHRIDGE.

YOU CAN SEE THE CROSSWALK PATTERN HERE.

YOU CAN SEE THE, THE CROSSING SIGN IS IN THE RIGHT LOCATION.

AND THEN WE LOOK AT THIS ONE, IT'S, YOU KNOW, BY THE TIME, WELL, WE'RE TELLING PEOPLE TO CROSS THERE RATHER THAN THE CROSSWALK, AND IT'S CERTAINLY TOO LATE FOR SOMEONE DRIVING A VEHICLE TO UNDERSTAND THAT.

AND THEN THE BOTTOM ONE, WHICH IS REPRESENTATIVE OF THREE MAIN MEDIAN SECTIONS IN THIS AREA, UH, YOU CAN SEE WHAT I'VE TALKED ABOUT.

THERE IS NO PHYSICAL BARRIER OR DETERRENT, UH, FOR FOLKS THAT CROSS ONE ACROSS ANYWHERE IN THIS SECTION TO DO SO.

AND SO ADDING MEDIA PLANTINGS, WHICH WAS, UH, SUPPORTED BY COUNCIL IN OUR LAST DISCUSSION, UH, ARE PART OF THIS.

SO THIS HAS BEEN A LITTLE BIT OF A PROCESS.

WE'VE HAD TO COORDINATE WITH S-C-D-O-T AS THEY OWN THE ROAD.

AND, UM, UH, AND WE'VE SUBMITTED ENCROACHMENT PERMITS AND HAVE BEEN SUCCESSFUL IN GETTING, UH, A LOT OF THE ELEMENTS, UM, PERMITTED AND TO BE ABLE TO EXECUTE THE PROJECT.

UH, ONE IS THAT THE POSTED SPEED LIMIT THROUGH THIS SECTION WILL BE REDUCED FROM 45 DOWN TO 40 MILES AN HOUR.

UM, AND WE'VE JUST ASKED S-C-D-O-D TO PROVIDE US ADVANCED TIMING WHEN THAT, WHEN THOSE, WHEN THAT'S GONNA BE REPOSTED SO THAT WE CAN NOTIFY THE PUBLIC.

UH, IT'LL BE RETRIP AND REALIGNING THE CROSSWALKS, UM, THAT I HIGHLIGHTED A COUPLE OF SLIDES AGO.

UM, INTER INTERSECTION PAVEMENT MARKINGS TO MAKE SURE THAT THE CONDITIONS THERE, UM, YOU HAVE CONFIDENCE AND, UM, CONSISTENCY IN THOSE CONDITIONS.

INSTALL TWO, UM, RECTANGULAR RAPID FLASHING BEACONS, RF BS IN TWO LOCATIONS.

AND OVER HERE ON THE RIGHT SIDE, THIS IS WHAT THEY LOOK LIKE.

UH, THEY'VE BEEN INSTALLED IN THE, IN THE NORTHRIDGE AREA.

UH, WE HAVE BLACK POLES, BUT, UH, BUT THIS IS WHAT THEY LOOK LIKE BASICALLY IN THE DAY.

AND THEN WHEN ACT WHEN ACTUATED AT NIGHT, UH, THEY'LL FLASH AND, UH, PROVIDE ADDITIONAL WARNING TO MOTORISTS THAT THERE'S SOME ACTIVITY, UM, TO EXPECT IN THE CROSSWALK.

UM, MORE CONSISTENT SIGNAGE THROUGHOUT THE CORRIDOR, BOTH FOR THE ROADWAY AND ALONG THE PATHWAYS.

WE WILL REPAIR ANY DEFICIENCIES IN THE, IN THE ROADWAYS AND PATHWAYS IN THIS SEGMENT.

INSTALL PLANTINGS IN THE MEDIANS.

UM, AND OTHER THAN A REQUIRED, UM, GRASS LAWN AROUND THE EDGE OF THE, UH, MEDIAN, THERE'LL BE, UM, A VERY FULL LANDSCAPE PLANT, UH, PLANTING WITHIN THE MEDIANS TO, TO DETER CROSSINGS AT THESE UNCONTROLLED, UH, LOCATIONS.

UM, ENHANCED LANDSCAPING ALONG THE OUTSIDE AS WELL.

SO ON THE OUTSIDE OF THE PATHWAYS, WE'LL DO SOME ADDITIONAL CLEANUP AND, UM, ENHANCEMENTS ALONG THE OUTSIDE THERE AS WELL.

UM, INSTALL A DA COMPLIANT TREATMENTS THROUGHOUT THE CORRIDOR.

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I THINK I JUMPED PAST ONE.

INSTALL BOLLARD LIGHTING, UM, ALONG OUR PATHWAYS TO ENHANCE VISIBILITY.

WELL, TO DO TWO THINGS.

ONE, IF YOU'RE USING A PATHWAY, THE LIGHTS WILL HELP GUIDE YOU RIGHT TO A CROSSING, UM, AND PROVIDE SOME ADDITIONAL SAFETY OPPORTUNITIES FOR THAT LIGHTING.

AND IT'LL ALSO, NUMBER TWO, UM, HELP MOTORISTS MOTOR VEHICLE OPERATORS, UM, UNDERSTAND THAT THERE MAY BE SOME ACTIVITY ALONG THOSE PATHWAYS, UM, BY HELPING TO TO INCREASE VISIBILITY THERE.

UH, UPLIGHTING AT THE THREE MAIN INTERSECTIONS AT THE CORNERS OF THE THREE MAIN INTERSECTIONS, UH, TO HELP WITH VISIBILITY IN THOSE LOCATIONS AS WELL AS, AS I MENTIONED, A DA COMPLIANCE, UM, IMPROVING OUR PATHWAY KIOSKS AT BEACH CITY, AT MATTHEWS DRIVE IN DILLON.

UH, AND THEN THERE IS A SPECIAL EVENT SIGN, UM, AS YOU GO ON THE WESTBOUND DIRECTION, UM, SLIGHTLY BEFORE BEACH CITY ROAD THAT WE WILL MAKE IMPROVEMENTS TO, UH, THAT I THINK ARE A LITTLE, UM, OVERDUE.

UH, WE WERE SUCCESSFUL WITH ASKING, UH, BEAUFORT COUNTY TO CONSIDER, UM, UTILIZING IMPACT FEE FUNDS THAT WE PAY IN, UH, TOWARD SOME SAFETY ENHANCEMENTS HERE.

AND COUNCIL SUPPORTED, UH, TOM MANAGER EXECUTING AN MOA ON THAT.

SO THAT'LL PAY FOR A SIGNIFICANT PORTION OF THIS PROJECT.

AND THEN IN OUR CIP WE HAVE ADDITIONAL, UM, PROJECTS TO INCLUDE, UM, INTERSECTION AND, AND PAVEMENT MARKINGS, UH, LANDSCAPING AND LIGHTING AND ROADWAY IMPROVEMENTS THAT WILL FUND THE BALANCE OF THIS PROJECT.

UM, WE'RE CURRENTLY ADVANCING THE PROJECT, WE ANTICIPATE CONSTRUCTION TO BE COMPLETE IN JANUARY.

UM, AND THEN THE PROJECT CLOSE OUT TO BE IN FEBRUARY.

SO, UM, HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU, THAT YOU HAVE ON THIS PROJECT.

OKAY, MS. BECKER, I'LL START WITH YOU.

THANK YOU, SEAN.

UM, UM, WHEN IS, IS THERE AN EXPECTATION ON WHEN THEY WILL BE MAKING THE POST THAT IT'S NOW 40 MILES PER HOUR WHEN THOSE NEW SIGNS ARE GOING UP? THE SIGN WAS GOING UP TODAY AS I WAS ON MY WAY HERE.

OH, WELL, YEAH, WHETHER THAT'S GONNA BE COVERED OR NOT, I DON'T KNOW, BUT IT WAS, HE WAS PUTTING IT UP.

SURE.

WELL, I'VE ASKED JIM'S, SHAKING THE HEAD IN THE BACKGROUND, WE'VE, WE'VE ASKED LIKE AT LEAST THREE TIMES TO MAKE SURE THAT BEFORE THEY GO LIVE WITH A NEW SPEED LIMIT THAT THEY PROVIDE US ADVANCED NOTICE SO WE CAN MESS MESSAGE THAT.

SO I KNOW JIM'S GONNA CHECK ON THAT RIGHT NOW, UM, AS WE'RE, AS WE'RE DISCUSSING THIS TO MAKE SURE THAT, UH, WE DON'T JUST POP UP 40 MILE AN HOUR SIGNS BEFORE THIS MEETING IS OVER AND, UH, GET, GET CAUGHT FLATFOOTED.

WELL, THANK YOU JIM, FOR DOING THAT.

UM, IN ADDITION TO THAT, DO WE HAVE PLANS TO, FOR NOT THAT, 'CAUSE AS YOU SAID, WE ALL KNOW THAT FOLKS REALLY DON'T PAY TOO CLOSE ATTENTION TO OUR POSTED, UM, SPEED LIMITS, UNFORTUNATELY, AND IT'S ANOTHER MATTER, BUT, UM, DO WE HAVE SOME SORT OF PLAN FOR LETTING PEOPLE KNOW THAT IT HAS CHANGED FROM 45 TO 40 IN ADVANCE OF WHEN IT DROPS TO 40? SO THAT'S EXACTLY THE RE THE REASON THAT WE ASKED FOR SOME ADVANCE NOTICE SO THAT WE COULD MESSAGE TO THE COMMUNITY, UM, THAT THIS CHANGE WAS COMING AND TO BE AWARE OF, BUT THERE WASN'T, THERE'S SOMETHING ON THE ROADWAY, NOT JUST SOMETHING OH, SIGN THAT REDUCE SPEED AHEAD.

YEP.

ABSOLUTELY.

THAT'S WHAT WE PASSED FOR.

UH, CARS NOT KNOWING EXACTLY WHAT TO EXPECT THROUGH THERE.

AND AGAIN, IT'S THE DOT, SO WE'RE GONNA KEEP REQUESTING AND ASKING.

OKAY, THANK YOU.

UM, I'LL JUST REITERATE MY CONCERNS ABOUT, UM, THE CROSSWALKS.

I THINK IT'S INTERESTING THAT WE CONTINUE TO THINK THAT IT'S IN ANY WAY SHAPE SAFE TO ENCOURAGE FOLKS TO CROSS 2 78 AS IT IS UNTIL WE GET TO AN OPPORTUNITY WHERE WE CAN CREATE A PARKWAY AND REALLY GET THE FEEL OF A, UM, NEIGHBORHOOD AS YOU'RE DRIVING THROUGH THE CENTER OF OUR TOWN DOWN 2 78, UM, I IMAGINE IT TO TO BE A DANGEROUS SITUATION AND THE BLINKING, UM, LIGHTS IN THE EVENING, AS I TALKED TO SEAN ABOUT, A LITTLE BIT CONCERNED ABOUT WHAT THAT'S GONNA MEAN TO DRIVERS, RIGHT? UM, PEOPLE WHO AREN'T FAMILIAR WITH OUR ISLAND, WHO SUDDENLY SEE A BLINKING SIGN ON, WILL THEY SLAM ON THEIR BRAKES? WILL WE END UP WITH A SITUATION WHERE THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO DO? OR AM I STOPPING HERE? AM I PROCEEDING WITH WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN? SO A LITTLE BIT, UM, CONCERNED AND LOOKING FORWARD TO HOPEFULLY A POSITIVE OUTCOME AND MY CONCERNS BEING, UM, NOT NEEDED AT ALL AND HOW THAT PLAYS OUT IN THE FUTURE.

I'M ALSO CONCERNED ABOUT THE IDEA THAT THESE ARE ACTIVATED BY SOMEONE, APPARENTLY TOUCHING THEM, FOR THEM TO COME ON WHEN THEY'RE CROSSING THE ROAD.

AND WHETHER OR NOT, UM, SOMEONE JUST TOUCHING IT AND NOT CROSSING THE ROAD MIGHT CAUSE SOME OF THOSE OTHER PROBLEMS WITH PEOPLE.

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UM, I WOULD, I KNOW THERE WAS A DISCUSSION ABOUT THE PUCK LIGHTS, WHICH ARE ACTIVATED BY MOTION AS SOMEBODY GOING THROUGH, AND THAT WE WEREN'T ABLE TO SECURE THOSE AT THIS TIME.

UM, I'M STILL HOPEFUL THAT THOSE WILL BE PART OF THIS PLAN.

UM, I PREFER THOSE OVER WHAT WE HAVE, MY HONEST OPINION.

BUT, UM, THE SAFETY IMPROVEMENTS, THE PLANTINGS TO KEEP PEOPLE FORCED DOWN TO A SPECIFIC AREA ARE GOING TO MAKE A BIG DIFFERENCE.

AND I, YOU KNOW, IT GETS ONE STEP TOWARDS SAFETY.

IT'S ALSO ONE STEP TOWARDS CREATING A, UM, AN ENVIRONMENT THAT WILL SLOW FOLKS DOWN WHEN THEY'RE DRIVING.

AND, UM, I LOOK FORWARD TO THE CHANGES COMING.

I ASKED SEAN IF THIS WAS ENOUGH MONEY TO COVER ALL OF THIS, AND HE SAID THAT YES, IT WAS.

SO THAT'S EVERYTHING I'VE GOT, UM, AT THIS TIME.

OKAY, MR. RAM.

THANK YOU, MAYOR.

UM, SEAN, I MAY HAVE MISSED THIS IN YOUR PRESENTATION, WHAT DOES A PATHWAY KIOSK LOOK LIKE? EXCELLENT QUESTION.

UH, WE HAVE THEM AROUND THE ISLAND.

UM, I WISH I HAD ONE, I COULD POP UP HERE RIGHT NOW.

BUT THE, THE EXAMPLE I WILL USE IS THE, IS THE KIOSK AND SIGNAGE THAT WE INSTALLED AT, UM, PALMETTO BAY ROAD, AN ARROW ROAD INTERSECTION.

SO, UM, IT INCLUDES OUR PATHWAY SIGNAGE AND SOME OTHER INFORMATION.

IT'S GOT A, A, UM, AN ANGLED PITCH ROOF.

GOT IT, GOT IT.

UM, AND SO, AND WE INSTALLED ANOTHER ONE AT THE, UM, NEAR MR. BARNWELLS PROPERTY AT THE INTERSECTION THERE OF, UH, SQUIRE, POPE AND GUMTREE AT THE CIRCLE.

I KNOW WHAT THEY, SO THOSE ARE, THOSE ARE, THANK YOU.

SECOND QUESTION.

UM, FIRST WITH A COMMENT, MAYBE IT'S JUST A COMMENT.

UM, I KNOW OVER TIME THE TOWN HA AND, UH, A A FAIRLY SIGNIFICANT VOCAL PART OF THE POPULATION HAS SPOKEN UP.

WHEN THERE WAS EVER A CONVERSATION ABOUT LIGHTING ALONG OUR ROADWAYS, UM, I'LL BE THE FIRST TO SAY, I UNDERSTAND WHY THERE IS LOGIC TO INCREASE THE LIGHTING AT OUR MOST SIGNIFICANT INTERSECTIONS WHERE PEDESTRIANS AND CARS INTERACT.

I WOULD ONLY ASK THAT, UH, THE UPLIGHTING BE AS SUBTLE AS POSSIBLE SO THAT WE AREN'T TRULY ILLUMINATING THE AREA AS MUCH AS PROVIDING THAT SAFETY FOR PEDESTRIAN MOVEMENT.

WE DO, WE FOLLOW UP ON PUTTING UP STRUCTURES WITH INFORMATION TO THE PUBLIC SO THEY KNOW HOW TO USE THESE NEW STRUCTURES.

YES, THANK YOU.

I, I SAY A LONG TIME COMING, BUT FINALLY WE WERE GETTING CLOSER TO IMPROVING , THIS AREA FOR SAFETY REASONS.

I KNOW THAT, UM, BIKE WALK HAD BEEN, UH, ACTIVE AND OTHER FOLKS IN THE COMMUNITY ACTIVE IN TRYING TO IMPROVE THIS, ESPECIALLY IN LIGHT OF FATALITIES AND OTHER ACCIDENTS THAT WE'VE HAD IN THIS AREA.

UM, I'M GONNA PUT ASIDE MY QUESTION ABOUT, UH, THE NEXT STEP, UM, AFTER THIS PROJECT IS COMPLETED.

UM, TO, TO COMMENT ON A COUPLE THINGS.

ONE IS I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR US TO COMMUNICATE WITH THE COMMUNITY ABOUT THAT THIS IS NOT THE HAWK SIGNAL THAT STOPS TRAFFIC.

THAT THIS IS, UH, AN R-R-F-B-A RAPID BEACON, UH, THAT ALERTS, UH, TRAFFIC TO SOMEONE, UM, IN THE CROSSWALK BEING IN THE CROSSWALK, BUT IT DOES NOT STOP TRAFFIC.

UM, SEPARATELY, FOLKS ARE REQUIRED TO COMPLY WITH WHATEVER THE MOTOR VEHICLE LAW IS IN THE STATE.

UM, BUT I THINK IT'D BE HELPFUL TO HAVE SOME SORT OF WARNING SIGN AHEAD OF TIME TO SAY WHAT THIS IS SO THAT THE DRIVING TRAFFIC SEES IT.

UM, AND THEN ALSO I THINK I MENTIONED THAT THERE'S, UH, SEVERAL COMMUNITY MEMBERS THAT CROSS OVER THERE AND THEY MAY THINK, NOW I'VE GOT MY PEDESTRIAN SIGNAL AND I CAN PUSH THIS BUTTON AND ALL THE TRAFFIC'S GONNA STOP FOR ME.

SO I THINK IT'D BE HELPFUL TO PUT UP SOME SORT OF SIGN BY THE NEW, UH, POST BOTH IN ENGLISH AND IN SPANISH TO EXPLAIN THAT.

AND I THINK IT'D BE HELPFUL, UM, FOR OUR FOLKS TO GO, UM, INTO THE COMMUNITIES THERE, UM, WHERE THE RESIDENCES THAT CROSS OVER THERE, UM, TO HAND OUT SOME SORT OF FLYERS IN ENGLISH AND IN SPANISH TO TALK ABOUT WHAT THESE, WHAT THIS NEW SIGNAL IS SO THAT IT'S UNDERSTOOD AND, AND WE DON'T HAVE FOLKS CONFUSED BY WHAT HAPPENS OR DOESN'T HAPPEN WHEN THEY, UH, PUSH THE BUTTON OR WAVE THEIR HAND IN FRONT OF IT.

UM, AND I THINK IT'D BE HELPFUL.

I'M, I'M, I'M GLAD TO SEE MR. ABEL HERE.

I KNEW HE WOULD BE HERE WITH IMPORTANT TOPICS LIKE THIS, UH, BUT TO SEND SOMETHING OUT TO BIKE SHOPS, UH, TO WORK WITH THE BIKE SHOPS THROUGH BIKE WALK, UM, AND BIKE AMBASSADORS TO HELP THEM, UH, EXPLAIN TO FOLKS ON THEIR BIKES WHAT THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THESE SIGNALS ARE.

AND WE ARE SAFE, WE ARE CIVILIZED CROSSINGS ARE, UM, SO THAT

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UM, AND, UM, I UNDERSTAND THERE OUTSTANDING REQUEST TO S-E-D-O-T, UM, EXPANDING THIS PROJECT TO DILLON ROAD, UH, SOME UPFITTING AND, AND RIGHT TURN LANE AT DILLON.

SO I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE GET AN UPDATE ON THAT AT WHATEVER TIME IN THE FUTURE.

WE HAVE A RESPONSE FROM S-E-D-O-T ABOUT THAT.

UM, AND THAT LEADS ME TO LONGER TERM IMPROVEMENTS THAT WE'VE DISCUSSED BEFORE HERE.

AND THAT IS, UM, AND YOU HAD SOME GREAT PHOTOS UP THERE AT THE CROSSINGS OF THE INTERSECTIONS.

UM, AND, AND THEY'RE SUCH WIDE, UH, STRETCHES OF PAYMENT WHERE THERE'S, UH, TURNS COMING FROM EVERY DIFFERENT WHICH WAY.

UM, AND, AND I SAID AT OUR LAST WORKSHOP, THEN, IF WE DIDN'T DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT SOON, I'M GONNA GRAB THE BIGGEST PLANTERS I CAN AND DRAG 'EM OUT THERE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT AND STOP THE TURNING TRAFFIC.

UM, SO, YOU KNOW, WHEN ARE WE GONNA GET THAT DONE? UM, BECAUSE THIS CERTAINLY HELPS WITH SAFETY, BUT UNLESS, UNTIL WE CAN DO SOMETHING ABOUT ALL THAT AREA FOR MULTIPLE TURNS, UM, IT'S, IT'S IMPOSSIBLE TO FIGURE OUT WHICH WAY TRAFFIC IS COMING IF YOU'RE ON YOUR BIKE, UH, CROSSING, UH, ON EITHER SIDE OF THE ROAD, ESPECIALLY ON THE NORTH RIDGE PLAZA SIDE.

UM, I, I KEEP MY CHIROPRACTOR ON RETAINER AFTER I BIKE THERE BECAUSE OF ALL THE, WHICH WAYS I HAVE TO TURN MY NECK TO LOOK FOR TRAFFIC.

UM, SO WHEN DO WE ANTICIPATE MAKING THOSE KIND OF IMPROVEMENTS TO THOSE INTERSECTIONS IS A BIG QUESTION THAT I HAVE.

UM, AND, AND THE LAST NOTE IS ABOUT THE FUNDING, UM, AS I UNDERSTAND IT, AND I DID FOLLOW AND, AND VERY GRATEFUL TO THE COUNTY, UM, FOR PROVIDING, UM, THE TOWN WITH $600,000 TO GO TOWARDS THE IMPROVEMENTS HERE.

BUT ALSO, AS I UNDERSTAND, PART OF THE 600,000 FROM THE COUNTY IS GOING TO, UH, TOWARDS IMPROVEMENTS AT THE PALMETTO BAY ROAD INTERSECTION.

UM, AND, AND I KNOW WE'VE ALREADY MADE SOME IMPROVEMENTS THERE, BUT, UM, UH, WE ALSO HAVE, UH, MONEY AS I SEE FROM THE NOTES HERE IN THE CIP PROGRAM.

SO IT'S FULLY FUNDED, THIS SET OF IMPROVEMENTS.

UM, BUT I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT THE MONEY FROM THE COUNTY TO THANK THE COUNTY FOR THE MONEY, BUT ALSO TO NOTE THAT IT GOES TOWARDS BOTH OF THOSE PROJECTS.

UM, SO, UM, BIGGEST QUESTION IS, UH, BIGGEST COMMENT IS ABOUT, UH, COMMUNITY EDUCATION.

AND THE BIGGEST QUESTION IS WHAT ABOUT THE LONG TERM? SO PATSY DOESN'T HAVE TO GO BUY REALLY BIG PLANTS AND PUT 'EM IN THE MIDDLE OF THE ROAD.

MR. BROWN, SIR.

UM, FOLLOW UP ON A FEW THINGS.

UM, A LEFT HAND TURN INTO STARBUCKS IS AN ISSUE.

I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S THE GPS PIN OR WHAT, BUT TYPICALLY FOLKS SEEM TO PASS THE TURNING LANE AND THEN 90 DEGREE TURN IN THE STARBUCKS.

UM, VERSUS GETTING IN TURN LANE CAUSES SOME PRETTY CLOSE CALLS ON A CONSTANT OCCASION.

UM, I'D ALSO WANT TO CHALLENGE THE COMMUNICATIONS TEAM.

I AGREE WITH COUNCILWOMAN BRYSON THAT, YOU KNOW, GRASSROOTS EFFORTS WITHIN THE COMMUNITY, I, THEY MADE SENSE THE MAJORITY OF THE PEDESTRIAN CROSSING THAT HAPPENS, AND THEY'RE ALL COMING FROM THE SURROUNDING, UM, COMPLEXES.

UM, BUT I'D ALSO, UM, ASK US TO LOOK AT SOCIAL MEDIA AS A MEANS OF COMMUNICATING.

I'M SURE WE CAN GEOFENCE THAT AREA AND JUST HAVE CONSTANT COMMUNICATION AROUND THIS AS WE GET CLOSER TO IMPLEMENTATION.

UM, AND AS FAR AS THE SPEED LIMIT IS CONCERNED, UM, WITH US KNOWING THAT THERE'S A DISCONNECT WITH S-C-D-O-T, UM, I MEAN, IT'S ONE THING TO HAVE A SIGN THERE, BUT THERE'S A WHOLE NOTHER THING TO HAVE ENFORCEMENT.

SO I'M ASSUMING THAT S-C-D-O-T HAS SOME COMMUNICATIONS TO SHERIFF'S OFFICE AS TO THIS CHANGE.

BUT I WOULD ASK US TO HAVE OUR OWN PERSONAL COMMUNICATION THROUGH SOME OFFICIAL MEANS TO THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE.

AND THEN IN ADDITION TO THAT, ASK THAT THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE, UH, REPORT OUT TO US THROUGH OUR COMMUNITY SERVICES, UH, QUARTERLY REPORT, WHAT TYPE OF VIOLATIONS THEY HAVE HAD IN THAT AREA SO THAT WE KNOW THAT THE 40 MILE POWER IS ACTUALLY HAPPENING OR NOT.

WHAT MR. ALFRED, I'M VERY HAPPY TO SEE THIS PROJECT MOVING ALONG.

UH, TWO OR THREE YEARS AGO IN THIS AREA, THERE WERE THREE FATALITIES.

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AND SO THAT CERTAINLY CAUGHT MY ATTENTION.

MANY IF NOT ALL OF THOSE, UH, FATALITIES INVOLVE CROSSING MIDBLOCK AND POINTED OUT EARLIER.

RIGHT NOW, IT'S A WIDE OPEN REMEDY FOR THAT IS TO PUT IN SOME BUSHES.

I HOPE THAT THAT WORKS IN TERMS OF ENCOURAGING PEOPLE NOT TO DO MID-BLOCK CROSSING, GO TO BED AT NIGHT AND HAVE DREAMS. WE'RE GONNA PUT UP PRICKER BUSHES AND ELECTRIFIED, UH, WIRE FENCE IN THE MIDDLE AND DON'T WORK.

MR. STANFORD, DAN, THANK YOU.

ANOTHER GOOD REPORT.

UH, I DON'T KNOW THE NUMBER AMATEUR.

I KNOW THAT THERE ARE A NUMBER OF AMATEUR, UH, TRAFFIC ENGINEERS ON THE ISLAND.

I DO NOT HAPPEN TO BE ONE, SO I RELY ON THE EXPERTS.

UM, BUT I THINK THE COMMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN MADE ABOUT EDUCATION IN THE COMMUNITY ARE VITAL AND VERY WORTHWHILE.

UM, I, I THINK THAT THE PLANTINGS NEED TO BE SUCH THAT PEOPLE CAN'T READILY CRASH THROUGH THEM.

UH, WE WANT THEM TO BE FUNCTIONAL RATHER THAN BEAUTIFUL, OR MORE FUNCTIONAL THAN BEAUTIFUL AS I SEE IT.

UH, AND SO I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR THAT TO MOVE FORWARD IN THAT WAY.

UM, I HAD ANOTHER THOUGHT THAT'S TOTALLY ESCAP MY MIND, SO IF IT COMES TO ME, I'LL LET YOU KNOW.

OF A POTENTIAL CROSSING MOVEMENT, UM, LIGHTING AT THE INTERSECTIONS, THE BOLLARD LIGHTING ON THE PATHWAY, UM, WILL PROVIDE, AGAIN, SOFT LIGHTING TO DIRECT PEOPLE IN THE RIGHT, UH, TO, TO THE RIGHT LOCATIONS FOR CROSSINGS AND PROVIDE VISIBILITY FOR MO UH, FOR MOTORISTS.

SO REALLY NOT A WHOLE LOT TO ADD, BUT, UM, IT IS GREAT TO SEE THAT WE'RE FINALLY ADDRESSING PEDESTRIAN SAFETY IN A WAY THAT HOPEFULLY THE PEDESTRIANS WILL FOLLOW AND, AND STAY SAFE.

SO THAT'S THE MESSAGE WE'VE GOTTA PUT OUT THERE, BECAUSE IT ULTIMATELY IS THEIR RESPONSIBILITY TO PROTECT THEMSELVES.

SO, SEAN, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING? DO YOU WANNA RESPOND BACK ON? YEAH, I'LL, I'LL JUST SUMMARIZE HERE IN JUST A, A COUPLE OF MINUTES.

I THINK THERE'S A COMMON THEME, UH, TO MAKE SURE THAT, UM, USERS OF THESE CROSSWALKS OR THE SYSTEM HERE IN THE SEGMENT UNDERSTAND HOW THEY WORK, RIGHT? SO BOTH RFPS FROM A BIKE AND PED USER, AS WELL AS A MOTOR VEHICLE, MOTOR VEHICLE OPERATOR TO UNDERSTAND WHAT IT MEANS, WHO HAS RIGHT OF WAY, HOW, UM, HOW THEY WORK.

WE HAVE HAD SOME DISCUSSIONS BASED ON SOME FEEDBACK WE'VE GOTTEN OVER THE LAST COUPLE WEEKS, UH, TO LOOK AT COMMUNICATION STRATEGY, UH, BOTH WITHIN THAT IMMEDIATE AREA, BUT THEN, UM, TO IN GENERAL TERMS TO, TO ALL USERS THAT WOULD, WOULD, UM, MOVE THROUGH THAT AREA.

UM, I DO AGREE WITH COUNCILMAN AMESS, UH, RECOMMENDATION THAT THE INTERSECTION LIGHTING IN THE CORNERS BE SUBTLE AND NOT MEANT TO FLOOD LIGHT INTO THAT AREA, UH, BUT BRING MORE, JUST MORE AWARENESS THAT THE INTERSECTION IS THERE, UH, AND ENHANCE THAT, UM, PEDESTRIAN VISIBILITY.

UM, THE COMMUNICATION STRATEGY COULD CERTAINLY INCLUDE IN INFORMATION AND COORDINATION WITH OUR PARTNERS AT BIKE WALK TO BIKE SHOPS AND OWNERS.

UM, AND, UM, CERTAINLY UNDERSTANDING THE, THE, UM, THE NEED FOR BOTH ENGLISH AND SPANISH, UM, INFORMATION RELATED TO THE OPERATIONS AND, AND, UH, AND USER USER, UH, FRIENDLINESS OF THESE, UH, SYSTEMS. UM, COUNCILMAN BROWN WILL LOOK AT THE LEFT END TO STARBUCKS AS AN ISSUE.

UM, PUT IT INTO MY HHI RIGHT NOW AND MAKE SURE THAT IT'S TRACKED.

BUT, BUT YEAH, CERTAINLY UNDERSTAND AND WE'LL LOOK INTO THAT.

UM, AGAIN, COMMUNICATION TEAM GRASSROOTS WITH, UM, GETTING OUTTA THE COMM, UH, COMMITTEE.

UH, WE'LL LOOK AT THE ABILITY TO GEO NET, IS THAT THE COMMENT? YEAH, GEOFENCE GEOFENCE, UM, TO TARGET INFORMATION TO THAT COMMUNITY, UM, AND PROVIDE NOTICE TO BOTH, UM, S-E-D-O-T AND THE TOWN TO PROVIDE NOTICE TO THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE OF THIS CHANGE.

AND HOPEFULLY WE CAN MANAGE, UH, THIS MORE EFFECTIVELY.

AND I AGREE WITH COUNCILMAN STANFORD'S COMMENT.

THE EDUCATION IS GONNA BE A CONSIDERABLE, UM, ELEMENT THAT WE NEED TO EXECUTE.

AND LIKE MY WIFE SAID, LIKE THE MEDIANS, YOU CAN BE UGLY AND EFFECTIVE OF WHAT'S WHAT SHE'S TOLD ME BEFORE.

SO, UM, BUT I HOPE IT'S, I HOPE IT'S NICE TO LOOK AT AND EFFECTIVE AT THE END OF THE DAY.

MR. MAYOR, I'VE REMEMBERED WHAT I WANTED TO COMMENT ON, AND THAT IS, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THERE ARE SOME TRAFFIC CALMING FEATURES THAT CAN BE USED TO SLOW TRAFFIC DOWN.

AND I HAVEN'T HEARD THAT DISCUSSED AT ALL IN CONJUNCTION WITH THIS SECTION.

UH, AND I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S FEASIBLE OR NOT, BUT IF THERE'S SOME WAY THERE'S SOME TRAFFIC CALMING OR SLOWING FEATURES THAT CAN BE ADDED IN THERE THAT WOULD BE VITAL TO THE SAFETY OF THE COMMUNITY.

SURE.

I WOULD SAY THAT THIS IS A, THIS IS A STEP IN THAT DIRECTION THAT ALL OF THESE ITEMS, UH, PROVIDE SOME MEASURE OF TRAFFIC COMING TO RAISE VISIBILITY.

CERTAINLY THE RF BS RAISE AWARENESS

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BUT IT'LL ALSO HAVE SOME CONCENTRATED LIGHTING AT THE, AT THE CROSSING LOCATIONS, UM, TO HELP INCREASE VISIBILITY THERE WHERE THE RFPS EXIST AND AT THE INTERSECTION.

SO THERE'S SOME ADDITIONAL, I'M THINK OF PHYSICAL, YES, SIR, RESTRICTIONS, GAINS AND THAT SORT OF THING, WHICH IS PROBABLY NOT PRACTICAL IN THIS AREA.

AND WE CAN CONSIDER THAT WHEN WE GET INTO THE LONGER TERM, UM, PROJECT.

AND, AND I AGREE IT'S PROBABLY WORTH DISCUSSION FOR UPCOMING CIPI MEAN, I THINK WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO GET WITH, UH, THE WORK IN EVALUATING THESE SEGMENTS IS TO UNDERSTAND WHERE THERE'S OPPORTUNITIES FOR PROJECTS TO MAKE THESE IMPROVEMENTS, UH, AND THEN INFORM OUR CAPITAL PROGRAM, UM, TO, TO BE ABLE TO EXECUTE THOSE ON A CERTAIN TIMELINE.

SO I THINK WE CAN CERTAINLY LOOK AT THAT IN THE DETAILED ENGINEERING.

MARK, DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING YOU WANNA ADD TO THAT? YES, JUST, JUST FOR CLARITY, WE DID REQUEST A 35 MILE PER HOUR SPEED ZONE THAT WAS DENIED.

I DO BELIEVE THAT IF WE PUT SOME TIME IN ON THE 45 MILE, 40, 40 MILE PER HOUR, WE CAN GO BACK AND ASK DOT LATER.

AND JONATHAN CAN, CAN, CAN HELP US A LITTLE BIT WITH THAT IF, IF HE, IF YOU WANTED TO.

BUT IT'S ALL BASED UPON AVERAGE SPEEDS AS YOU DRIVE THROUGH, AS YOU DRIVE THROUGH.

SO I THINK THIS IS A, A BIG FIRST STEP.

THE IN PAVEMENT PUCK LIGHTING WAS ALSO DENIED, BUT WHERE IT WASN'T DENIED IS ON OUR SECONDARY ROADS.

AND SO KNOW THAT AS PART OF THE FISCAL YEAR 25 CAPITAL PROGRAM AND ISLAND WIDE STRIPING PLAN AND PROJECT IS PART OF THAT.

AND SO ACCORDING TO SEAN THAT THAT WORK IS UNDERWAY, UM, WE ARE LOOKING AT ALL CROSSWALKS THROUGH OUR ISLAND, AND THEN WE'LL START, YOU KNOW, CHEWING THIS OFF A LOT AT A TIME.

WE'RE ALSO LOOKING FOR SOME DOLLARS THROUGH THE STATE THAT WE, WE KNOW IT'S THERE IN BEFORD COUNTY AS WELL.

SO I'D SAY THAT EVERYTHING WE'RE GOING TO DO, UH, UH, EVERYTHING WE'RE GONNA DO OUT THERE WILL BE TASTEFUL, WHETHER IT BE THE LANDSCAPING, DEFINITELY WITH THE LIGHTING, BUT I, I JUST WANNA REMIND US, IT'S GOING TO BE DIFFERENT.

UM, IF IT'S GOING TO BE SAFER, IT HAS TO BE DIFFERENT.

AND I THINK WE'VE ALL, AT LEAST THAT'S WHAT I'VE HEARD FROM YOU, THAT IT, THAT YOU'RE SUPPORTIVE OF DIFFERENT.

IF IT'S NOT PERFECT ON DAY ONE, WE WILL KEEP REFINING JUST LIKE THE ADAPTIVE SIGNALS, BUT I JUST WANT TO ENCOURAGE US TO, TO THINK DIFFERENTLY IF WE'RE GOING TO BE SAFER.

SO, OKAY.

YOU HAD SOMETHING ELSE YOU WANTED TO ADD? UM, YEAH, JUST A COUPLE OF THINGS.

UM, THE LIGHTING, WHICH IS CORRECTLY, UM, POINTED OUT IS A CONTENTION ON THIS ISLAND.

IS THIS LIGHTING GOING TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE LIGHTING THAT WAS DONE AT BY YACHT COVE, BY THAT CROSSWALK? OR IS THIS DIFFERENT THAN THAT? SO I, I'LL JUMP IN, MARK YOU MIND.

SO THE, THAT PILOT PROJECT THAT WAS DONE AT YACHT COVE, UH, WAS TO, UH, ILLUMINATE THE ENTIRE SECTION FOR THE CROSSWALK.

UH, THIS IS NOT INTENDED TO LIGHT UP THE, THE WHOLE INTERSECTION.

SO WHEN DO YOU PROVIDE LIGHTING AT THESE LOCATIONS FROM A DOT STANDPOINT? YOU HAVE TO, YOU HAVE TO LIGHT IT THE WHOLE THING UP.

SO WE'RE NOT, THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR HERE.

WE'RE LOOKING FOR SOME MORE AMBIENT LIGHTING TO ENHANCE THE INTERSECTION AT THE CORNERS WHERE WE CAN UPLIGHT SOME LANDSCAPING.

PALMETTO BAY, MORE LIKE PALMETTO BAY ROAD, JUST AN ARROW.

OKAY, SO NOT AS STARK, NOT AS, NO, IT'S NOT MEANT TO ILLUMINATE AND BRIGHTEN THE, THE ROADWAY.

UM, AND, AND AGAIN, AT, AT YACHT COVE, THAT WAS A CONDITION YOU HAD TO LIGHT THE ENTIRE ROADWAY IN ADVANCE FROM BOTH DIRECTIONS OF THE CROSSWALK, UH, THAT ENTIRE SECTION, KEEPING IN MIND THE LIGHTING PIECE OF IT.

AND THEN, YOU KNOW, I'LL JUST REITERATE MY CONCERN THAT PEOPLE WILL STOP IN THE MIDDLE OF THE ROAD.

AND, AND TO YOUR POINT, IF I KNOW YOU RECALL, WE WORKED REALLY CLOSELY, UM, WITH BRIAN AND HIS TEAM WITH CREATING A PARKWAY ENVIRONMENT DOWN TO 78, AND THIS IS JUST THE FIRST STEP OF A PIECE OF THAT BIGGER PLAN AS I UNDERSTAND IT.

CORRECT.

AND, UM, AND THEN I'LL JUST GO TO ONE OF MY PET PEEVES THAT EVERYONE HEARS ME TALK ABOUT ALL THE TIME.

SIGN SIGNS EVERYWHERE, SIGNS THE SIGNS, , IT JUST SOUNDS LIKE WE'RE PUTTING UP SIGNS, YOU KNOW, EVERY TWO FEET TO INFORM PEOPLE OF, AND I CERTAINLY, AS MUCH AS I DON'T LIKE LIGHT POLLUTION ON OUR ISLAND, I ALSO DON'T WANNA SEE SIGN POLLUTION.

WE NEED TO BE VERY CAREFUL THAT WE'RE NOT INUNDATING OURSELVES WITH, UM, ALL SORTS OF, UM, PARAPHERNALIA UP AND DOWN EVERYWHERE.

THE EDUCATION IS IMPORTANT.

NO ONE'S SAYING THAT'S NOT, BUT LET'S JUST BE CAREFUL THAT WE DON'T START CLUTTERING UP OUR ROADS.

THAT'S,

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UM, THANK YOU.

A COMMENT WAS MADE, UM, THAT, UH, IT WOULD BE NICE IF THIS WERE 35 MILES AN HOUR IF WE COULD DO SOMETHING WITH A ROADWAY TO SLOW PEOPLE UP AND SO ON.

AND THAT RAISED A THOUGHT IN MY MIND, YOU KNOW, AND AND YOUR COMMENT MARK ABOUT IT.

IT'D BE, IT'LL BE DIFFERENT.

UH, MAYBE WE SHOULD RECOGNIZE THAT WHAT WE ARE CREATING HERE IS DIFFERENT THAN SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE HAD THERE PREVIOUSLY.

AND, AND I BEGIN TO, AND, AND MAYBE, MAYBE IT OUGHT TO HAVE A PLACE, A NAME OR SOMETHING, SO THAT WHEN YOU ENTER THIS FROM BEACH CITY ROAD OR ENTER IT FROM DILLON ROAD, YOU ARE AWARE OF A CHARACTER CHANGE BOTH IN THE DAYTIME AND AT NIGHT.

UM, I, I THINK IT WORKS TO OUR ADVANTAGE IF WE RECOGNIZE DIFFERENCES IN THE COMMUNITY RATHER THAN TRYING TO BE MONOLITHIC ENTIRE ACROSS THE ENTIRE ISLAND, BECAUSE YOU'RE JUST GOING TO HAVE MORE TRAFFIC AND MORE PEOPLE IN THIS AREA THAN YOU MIGHT ON SOME OTHER AREA.

SO I'M, I'M SUGGESTING THAT, UH, EXPLORE THE, THE IDEA OF CREATING PLACE, UH, NAME, CHARACTER, WHATEVER, UM, SO THAT, UH, WE, WE, WE UNDERSTAND AS A COMMUNITY AND VISITORS UNDERSTAND THAT THIS IS A DISTINCTIVE PLACE ON THE ISLAND THAT YOU MAY WANT TO GO TO FOR WHAT X, Y, OR Z.

I SEE YOU HAD A GREEN BUTTON GOING.

SEEMS AS THOUGH THERE OUGHT TO BE SOME INTERIM, UH, SITUATION THAT COULD, UH, YOU KNOW, PUT THE JERSEY BARRIERS UP THERE, SOMETHING.

UM, JUST A THOUGHT, AS MR. AMES IS DESCRIBING THAT, IS THIS PART OF THE MID ISLAND DISTRICT, AND MAYBE WE COULD SAY NOW ENTERING MID ISLAND DISTRICT, UM, I DON'T KNOW.

OR NOW LEAVING MID ISLAND DISTRICT.

UM, BUT MY QUESTION ACTUALLY WAS ABOUT THE LONGER TERM OR THE BIGGER PROJECT.

UH, I HEARD TALKING ABOUT PLANTINGS IN THE MEDIAN, BUT I DIDN'T HEAR WHEN AND WHAT ARE OUR OBSTACLES? IS IT S-E-D-O-T HOLDING US UP? IS IT FUNDING? UM, IS IT DESIGNING? UH, ANYHOW, I, I, I'M, I'M GONNA START LOOKING AT NURSERIES FOR THOSE PLANTERS.

SO, YOU KNOW, , SO THE, THE CURRENT MEDIANS, THE CURRENT, UM, ON LANDSCAPE SECTIONS OF THE CURRENT MEDIANS ARE GONNA BE HANDLED IN THIS PRO WITH THIS PROJECT.

THE DISCUSSION ABOUT THE MODIFICATIONS TO THE ACCESS AND, AND MEDIANS, UM, THAT WERE VISIBLE ON THE, ON A COUPLE OF THOSE PHOTOS ARE PART OF DISCUSSION FOR, I THINK AN UPCOMING CIP PROJECT.

AS WE WORK WITH, UM, THE COMMUNITY WITH PLANNING COMMISSION AND COUNCIL TO PROGRAM THE CIP, UH, TO UNDERSTAND THEIR EXPECTATION FOR DELIVERY OF THAT NEXT STEP.

UM, WE ALSO NEED TO THEN MOVE INTO THE DETAIL, MORE DETAILED ENGINEERING TO ADVANCE THE, THE FINAL PROJECT, UM, TO BE ABLE TO ENTER INTO THE, A CONSTRUCTION PERIOD.

I'M OBVIOUSLY A BIT FRUSTRATED WITH THE TIMING, UM, BECAUSE ONCE WE PUT SOMETHING IN THE CIP, THEN THERE'S, UH, MORE DETAILED DESIGN, AND THEN THERE'S WAITING ON S-C-D-O-T TO APPROVE IT.

AND NOW WE'RE TALKING YEARS.

SO YOU HEAR MY FRUSTRATION, UM, BECAUSE I THINK IT'S AN IMPORTANT PART OF THE SAFETY HERE ARE I WOULDN'T KEEP ADVOCATING.

IT'S NOT JUST 'CAUSE I WANNA SEE NICE PLANTS.

THANKS.

I, I COULD TRY TO ANSWER THAT TO BE THINKING ABOUT THAT AS YOU SUPPORT AND OR PREPARE AND PROPOSE NEXT YEAR'S CAPITAL PROGRAM, RIGHT? THE, THE PROJECT YOU'RE ASKING FOR IS SEVERAL MILLIONS OF DOLLARS, RIGHT? TURN LANES ELIMINATING, UM, LEFT IN OR RIGHT IN RIGHT OUT SCENARIOS LEFT IN, YOU KNOW, I'M, I'M JUST STRUGGLING TO THINK THROUGH THE FULL SCOPE OF THAT, BUT THAT IS A DRASTIC CHANGE TO THAT ROAD YOUR DIRECTION.

AND I, AND I, I'M FRUSTRATED TOO, BUT YOUR DIRECTION TO US NOT THAT LONG AGO WAS THIS STEP ONE WHICH ADDED CROSSWALKS, LIGHTING, PUCK, AND THE FLASHING SIGNS, A REDUCTION OF SPEED LIMIT AND IMPROVEMENT OF LANDSCAPING IN THE ME IN THE MEDIAN ON THE SIDE, LOW LEVEL LIGHTING AND A WHOLE BUNCH OF OTHER THINGS.

THOSE, THOSE THINGS THAT IMPROVE SAFETY AND CREATE A SENSE OF PLACE.

WHAT WHAT WE'RE NOT WORKING ON, JUST FOR FULL CLARITY, IS THE, IS THE LARGER MULTIMILLION DOLLAR PROJECT THAT WOULD ELIMINATE AND CHANGE THE WAY TRAFFIC FLOWS THROUGH THAT AREA.

THAT THAT'S A MASSIVE PROJECT IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION, UM, AT A MUCH LARGER SCALE.

SO WE CAN START THINKING THROUGH THAT.

I THINK THIS IS THE FIRST STEP.

UM, THE SECOND STEP IS IF, IF IT'S GONNA BE SAFER CLOSING SOME OF THOSE INTERSECTIONS IN AND AROUND THAT, THAT WHOLE, THAT WHOLE AREA, IT

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WELL, LET'S, WELL, LET'S, WELL, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, TRY THROW OUT AS WE JUST DIS DISCUSSED, YOU KNOW, THIS HAS GOTTA GO INTO PLACE FIRST, AND THEN WE'VE GOTTA COME BACK AND HAVE THOSE DISCUSSIONS ABOUT WHAT FUTURE PLANNING THERE IS, UM, WHICH IS NOT ON THE TABLE TODAY.

SO WE'LL HAVE TO COME BACK AT, WITH COUNSEL AT, AT ANOTHER TIME TO DISCUSS THAT.

YEAH, I, I DID MENTION IT A COUPLE TIMES BEFORE, SO I, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYONE UNDERSTOOD WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SOMETHING WAY LONG TERM NOW, AND I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE PRESENT.

THANKS, MR. BROWN.

DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE YOU WANTED TO ADD CLARIFICATION, UH, REQUESTED FROM S-E-D-O-T SOME TYPE OF LONG-TERM PERMIT SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO KEEP GOING BACK? IS THAT STILL THE CASE? THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE RIGHT OF WAY.

LANDSCAPE MAINTENANCE.

AND, AND APPROACH PERMIT IN OUR PRE PREVIOUS CONVERSATION, UM, AND, AND DELIVERY OF INFORMATION, WE PROVIDED THAT PATTERN BOOK FOR COUNCIL.

AND I THINK WITH ADOPTION OF THAT PATTERN BOOK, THE EXPECTATION WAS THAT WE WOULD THEN HAVE THAT TO APPLY FOR GRANTS.

WE WOULD APPLY FOR ENCROACHMENT PERMITS WITH SOME CONFIDENCE THAT THE, THAT THE TREATMENT WAS GONNA BE CONSISTENT AND ASK FOR DOT JUST HELP STANDARDIZE AND, AND ACCELERATE THEIR, UH, PERMITTING PROCESS WITH THAT.

SO.

SO SEAN, LET'S, LET'S MOVE ON TO THE, TO THE REMAINING MAJOR THOROUGHFARES QUARTER PLAN.

UM, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT TWO TO SIX HERE AND WE'VE GOT SOME, I WANT YOU TO, TO EXPLAIN TO US WHAT KIND OF DIRECTION THAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR FROM COUNCIL, UM, IN GOING THROUGH THESE DIFFERENT SEGMENTS.

AT SEA PINE CIRCLE, PALMETTO BAY ROAD, POPE AVENUE, AND THEN NORTH FOREST BEACH AND SOUTH FOREST BEACH DRIVES, UH, AS, AGAIN, THE GUIDING PRINCIPLES I JUST MENTIONED.

UH, THANK YOU, MAYOR.

UM, AGAIN, I'M GONNA INTRODUCE THE, THE REST OF THE TEAM HERE BECAUSE THEY'RE GONNA, UM, HELP PROVIDE INFORMATION ON THESE SE ON THE, ON THESE SEGMENTS THAT ARE CURRENTLY UNDER EVALUATION.

UM, AND SO WE'VE GOT BRIAN KINSMAN AND TONY ROLL, UH, HERE FROM MKSK.

UH, THEY'VE BEEN HELPING, UH, SHEPHERD THE, UH, CORRIDORS PLAN FROM INCEPTION AND HAVE BEEN IN PART PARTICIPANTS IN PREVIOUS WORKSHOPS.

UM, THEY'VE, THEY WORK ALL THE COUNTRY, UH, DEVELOPING CORRIDOR PLANS TO INTEGRATE LAND USE AND TRANSPORTATION SOLUTIONS.

AND, UM, AND WE'VE GOT THEM HERE TODAY.

WE'VE GOT ADDIE WEBER WITH TOOL DESIGN.

UH, TOOL DESIGN IS, UM, INTEGRAL AND, UH, DEVELOPING AND, AND INFORMING FEDERAL STANDARDS FOR ASTO, FOR, FOR BICYCLE AND PEDESTRIAN AND OTHER TRANSPORTATION RELATED SAFETY IMPROVEMENTS.

AND WE HAVE JONATHAN GUY HERE WITH KIMLEY HORN, UM, NATIONAL NATIONALLY RECOGNIZED LEADER IN ENGINEERING AS IT RELATES TO CREATING SUSTAINABLE TRANSPORTATION PLANS AND SOLUTIONS FOR COMMUNITIES.

SO WE'VE GOT THESE RESOURCES HERE, UM, AS WE GO INTO THE MAJOR, UM, THOROUGHFARE CORRIDORS PLAN AND TALK ABOUT THESE NEXT SEGMENTS.

UM, AS I MENTIONED HERE JUST A FEW MINUTES AGO, UM, WE, WE'VE CREATED THIS DRAFT CORRIDORS PLAN THAT HAS STANDARDS AND PATTERNS TO APPLY, OR AT LEAST HAVE LENSES TO LOOK THROUGH AS WE EVALUATE, UH, THESE SEGMENTS.

AND SO WE'RE LOOKING AT OPPORTUNITIES TO CREATE SOMETHING DIFFERENT, BUT SOMETHING SAFER AT THE SAME TIME, RIGHT? SO, IMPROVE SAFETY FOR ALL MODES OF TRAVEL, REDUCING CONFLICT POINTS, UM, INCREASING MOBILITY AND LOOKING AT CONTIGUOUS CORRIDOR AESTHETIC.

AND THOSE ARE SOME THINGS THAT WE'VE HEARD.

UM, YOU KNOW, THE PURPOSE OF WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO HERE IS THE CONSISTENT STANDARDS ACROSS, UH, THE SEGMENTS AND THROUGHOUT THE TOWN, UH, BUT ALSO LOOK AT SOLUTIONS THAT MAY BE UNIQUE TO EACH OF THESE INDIVIDUAL SECTIONS.

I THINK COUNCILMAN AMES MENTIONED THAT THE NORTHRIDGE AREA MIGHT BE SOMETHING DIFFERENT THAN, UH, SOME OF THESE OTHER SECTIONS, AND I WOULD CERTAINLY AGREE POPE AVENUE HAS SOME OF THOSE SAME OPPORTUNITIES WHERE IT'S UNIQUE.

UM, AND THEN FINALLY INFORM THE CAPITAL FUNDING PROGRAM AND PROCESS.

AND I THINK THAT GETS TO WHAT COUNCIL AND COUNCILWOMAN BRYSON MENTIONED HERE, HOW DO WE ADVANCE BEYOND WHAT WE'RE IDENTIFYING HERE IS POTENTIAL, UH, SOLUTIONS OR OPPORTUNITIES TO MAKE IMPROVEMENTS AND PROGRAM THEM INTO OUR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM FOR EXECUTION.

UM, AND SO I'M GONNA JUMP INTO THE CORRIDORS PLAN.

AS I MENTIONED, UM, PROJECT TEAM IS TOWN STAFF, AND WE ALSO HAVE TOOL MKSK AND KIMLEY HORN.

UM, THESE ARE THE SEGMENTS THAT WE'RE GONNA COVER IN TODAY'S WORKSHOP.

UM, SO WE'VE CALLED IT WILLIAM HILTON SEGWAY FIVE, WHICH IS MATTHEWS DRIVE FOLLY FIELD INTERSECTION DOWN TO SHELTER COVE LANE.

IT'S TO LOCATES THE VERY FIRST SHELTER COVE LANE AS YOU GO SOUTHBOUND, UM, WHERE THE LAW ENFORCEMENT CENTER IS.

WE'LL LOOK

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BUT WE'RE TRYING TO IMPROVE SAFETY, REDUCING CONFLICT POINTS, INCREASED MOBILITY, AND THEN DEVELOP THAT CONSISTENT CONTIGUOUS, UM, CHARACTER FOR THE CORRIDORS, UH, BUILDING ON THE UNIQUE CONDITIONS WITHIN EACH ONE.

HERE'S A LOCA LOCATION MAP, WHICH IDENTIFIES THE SEGMENTS.

AND SO YOU CAN SEE, UM, SEGMENT FIVE HERE, UM, SORT OF MID ISLAND, AND THEN THE, UM, SOUTHERN ELEMENTS DOWN HERE, PALMETTO BAY, SEA PINES, POPE, AND NORTH AND SOUTH FOREST BEACH.

UH, I, I JUST ASK A QUESTION.

UH, WILL THIS, IS THIS GONNA BE POSTED ONLINE AFTERWARDS? YES, SIR.

ALL, ALL THE PRESENTATIONS FOR TAKING PICTURES, IT'LL BE UP ONLINE AFTERWARDS.

SO YEAH, ALL THREE PRESENTATIONS HAVE BEEN PROVIDED, UH, TO WEB POSTING, AND THEY WILL POST, UH, RIGHT AFTER THIS MEETING.

SO, UM, YOU KNOW, WHY ARE WE, AGAIN, WHY ARE WE IN THIS? WE'VE SHARED THIS, UM, THIS, OR A VERY SIMILAR GRAPHIC IN THE PAST.

YOU CAN SEE WHERE WE'VE GOT, UM, HIGH FREQUENCY OF CRASHES, UM, UH, ON OUR, WITHIN OUR MAJOR CORRIDORS.

UM, AND, UH, WE'RE LOOKING TO CHANGE AND PROVIDE SOMETHING DIFFERENT HERE, UM, TO IMPROVE FROM A SAFETY STANDPOINT, UM, AND, AND MITIGATE THESE CONCERNS.

SO WE'RE GONNA GO RIGHT INTO WILLIAM HILTON, UM, PARKWAY, SEGMENT FIVE.

UM, I'M GONNA LET BRIAN KINSMAN RUN THROUGH WITH SUPPORT FROM HIS TEAM, AND I'M GONNA JUMP IN.

UH, THERE'S SOME, KEITH, I'M SORRY.

THERE ARE SOME QUESTIONS THAT I'D LIKE TO ASK COUNCIL AS WE MOVE THROUGH, MAYOR, UH, TO GET FEEDBACK WHERE THERE ARE SOME OPTIONS FOR POTENTIAL, UH, OR OPPORTUNITIES WHERE THERE'S, UH, MORE THAN ONE ON FOR POTENTIAL SOLUTIONS TO GET COUNCIL'S FEEDBACK.

COUNCIL, GOOD, GOOD AFTERNOON.

UM, JUST TO, TO FINISH THE INTRODUCTIONS, I WANNA ACKNOWLEDGE JIM, NOT AT THREE O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING, BUT JIM, UH, DURING THE DAY, AND CARLA AND SEAN AND OUR TOWN MANAGER WHO HAVE BEEN INTEGRAL TO THIS PROCESS, WE'RE NOT JUST MEETING WITH THEM FROM TIME TO TIME AND SAY, HEY, DO YOU LIKE OUR WORK? THESE FOLKS ARE SPENDING A LOT OF TIME AND A LOT OF BRAIN DAMAGE, AS I SAY, TO HELP COME TO THESE SOLUTIONS.

SO IT ISN'T JUST THIS CONSULTANT TEAM, IT'S US IN THIS ROOM, AND I APPRECIATE THEIR INPUT.

UM, THIS IS THE, UH, THIS IS THE CHAPLAIN NEIGHBORHOOD.

THAT'S WHERE, WHERE I START WITH THIS.

AND AS, UM, AS WE KNOW THAT THAT IS A STRAIGHTAWAY, IT'S GOT SOME, UH, UH, CHALLENGES RELATIVE TO RIGHT OF WAY WIDTH.

SO THERE HASN'T BEEN MUCH DONE ON THAT ROADWAY, MAINLY BECAUSE THERE ISN'T A LOT OF GEOGRAPHY TO THAT ROADWAY RIGHT OF WAY IN, IN THE PAST.

BUT THERE'S INCONSISTENT SIGNALIZATION, WHAT WE'VE HEARD, WHAT WE'VE STUDIED, WHAT WE'VE ANALYZED, MINIMAL SEPARATION BETWEEN ROADWAY AND WALKWAY.

I'LL SAY MINIMAL, UH, THE WIDTH OF A CURB, SIX INCHES OF SEPARATION, UH, LACK OF LANDSCAPE MEDIANS.

WE'VE GOT VERY LITTLE LANDSCAPE MEDIANS MOSTLY TOWARDS THE SHELTER COVE END OF THIS, UH, OF THIS COMMUNITY.

NUMEROUS DRIVEWAYS AND CONFLICT PRONE AREAS, RIGHT BACK TO THE PRINCIPLES OF THE ENTIRE STUDY.

HOW DO WE MAKE THIS SAFE FOR ALL MODES OF TRANSPORTATION? AND WE'VE GOT A LOT OF CROSSINGS, PRIVATE CURB CUTS THAT BY DEFINITION, UH, ALLOW FOR AUTOMOBILES AND BIKES AND PEDS TO, UH, CONFLICT WITH ONE ANOTHER.

SO SAFETY IS THE CONSIDERATION THROUGH THIS NEIGHBORHOOD, THROUGH ALL OF OUR NEIGHBORHOODS.

BUT THIS IS ALSO A HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOOD.

YOU CAN SEE BY THIS GRAPHIC, THE YELLOW OR ORANGE, DEPENDING ON YOUR EYESIGHT, THE DOTS, THOSE REPRESENT, UM, CURB CUTS, UH, PRIVATE PROPERTY, UH, THERE'S RESIDENTIAL ON THAT, UH, ON THAT WEST SIDE, UH, TOWARDS BROAD CREEK.

AND THERE'S COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES LARGELY ON THE, UH, ON THE, UH, EAST SIDE, BUT THAT'S A FAIR AMOUNT OF CURB CUTS.

AGAIN, IT'S A STRAIGHT OF WAY.

IT'S TWO LANES IN EACH DIRECTION TO SOME OF THE EARLIER COMMENTS, THIS BECOMES A SPEEDWAY, FOLKS ROUND THAT BEND, AND IT'S PRETTY EASY TO PUT YOUR FOOT ON THE ACCELERATOR I'VE COME TO REALIZE.

SO, UH, INHERENTLY THERE IS ARE CONFLICTS.

THERE'S A PATHWAY ON ONE SIDE, UH, ON THE PARK SIDE OF THE STREET.

WE'VE GOT SIDEWALKS ON BOTH SIDES, BUT THEY'RE VERY, VERY CLOSE TO THE ROADWAY TO THE EXTENT THAT I DON'T THINK ANYBODY FEELS COMFORTABLE USING THEM.

I KNOW I DON'T.

THE EXISTING CROSS SECTION HAS A CENTER, UH, PAVED MEDIAN FOR TURNING MOTIONS, TWO LANES OF TRAFFIC IN EACH DIRECTION, AGAIN, CURBSIDE WALKWAYS.

AND THEN ON THE, UH, ON THE EAST SIDE, ON THE COMMUNITY PARK SIDE, WE'VE GOT AN EIGHT FOOT WIDE PATHWAY THAT LARGELY FOLLOWS THE ROADWAY, BUT IT DOES HAVE SOME

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SEPARATION.

NOW AT THE, IN THE SAME BREATH, UH, THE TOWN IS LOOKING, UH, AT, AT IMPROVING SOME OF CHAPLAIN, THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THAT PATHWAY TO SATISFY A NUMBER OF ELEMENTS, BICYCLE USERS ON THE PATHWAY USING THE PARK, USING IT AS ACCESS TO THE PARK AND GETTING IT OFF OF THE PARKWAY.

UM, THOSE PROJECTS WILL INTERSECT THE GENERAL IMPROVEMENTS IN THE ASSESSMENT FOR YOU ALL TO THINK ABOUT.

AND THAT IS JUST THAT TO UTILIZE SOME OF THE TOWN OWNED GROUND THAT IS ADJACENT TO, UH, POSSIBLY AS THIS GOES INTO FINAL ENGINEERING, MAYBE THE ROADWAY ITSELF MOVES TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE GEOGRAPHY THAT REPRESENTS THE TOWN OWNED GROUND.

CERTAINLY TAKE A TRAIL SYSTEM OFF OF THE, OFF OF THE VEHICULAR WAY.

AND, UH, FOR SAKE OF SAFETY AND ALSO FOR EXPERIENCE, AND TO CONNECT ALL PLACES TO ALL PLACES ON BOTH SIDES OF THE ROAD, UH, PEDESTRIAN CROSSINGS, THEY'RE INCONSISTENT.

TO SEAN'S EARLIER POINT, THE, THE STANDARDS PORTION OF THIS STUDY IS MEANT TO BRING CONSISTENCY ACROSS THE ISLAND AS A POINT OF BEGINNING.

THAT DOES NOT SUGGEST THAT EVERY, TO COUNCILMAN AMES POINT, THIS IS NOT MEANT TO BE A MONOCULTURE ACROSS THE ISLAND FROM AN AESTHETIC STANDPOINT, BUT FROM A SAFETY STANDPOINT, WE'VE GOTTA HAVE A MINIMUM STANDARD OF CROSSWALKS LOOK LIKE THIS.

STOP BARS LOOK LIKE THAT.

CURB RAMPS LOOK LIKE THAT.

SO EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS, UH, WHERE TO STOP, WHERE TO WALK, WHERE TO CROSS AGAIN, TO, UH, PROVIDE PATHWAY CONNECTION.

ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE ROADWAY, UH, WE'VE GOT THE CHAPLAIN LINEAR PARK, WE'VE GOT SIGNALED INTERSECTIONS AT, UM, SHELTER COVE LANE AT, UH, SINGLETON BEACH AND AT MATTHEWS AND FOLLY FIELD, UH, THAT CROSS INTERSECTION.

THE REST OF THOSE ARE UNSIGNED INTERSECTIONS.

UH, AND WE'VE GOT SOME UNSIGNED CROSSINGS THERE AS WELL, WHICH PROVIDE FOR SOME FROM SAFETY ISSUES.

SO WE WANNA MAXIMIZE THE BUFFERS, UH, ON BOTH SIDES OF THE ROADWAY, PROVIDE FOR SOME CONTINUOUS PATHWAY CONNECTIONS AND SAFE, CONSISTENT SIGNALED INTERSECTION CROSSINGS.

SO ON ON THIS, MAYOR, I'D LIKE, I WOULD LIKE TO JUMP IN.

SO THERE IS A CONSIDERATION FROM COUNCIL HERE AS IT RELATES TO PEDESTRIAN IMPROVEMENTS ABOUT UTILIZING TOWN OWNED PROPERTY.

NOW, I WILL SAY CHAPLAIN LINEAR PARK AND CONTEMPLATED A, UM, A PATHWAY ALONG THE WATERFRONT ON THE BACK OF, UM, THE PROPERTIES THAT ARE IN THIS LOCATION AND THEN TIE BACK INTO SINGLETON.

BUT WE CURRENTLY IN THE CIP AND PROBABLY TO MISS BRYSON'S, UM, UH, TO, FOR IFICATION, LIKE WE ARE ALREADY, WE ALREADY HAVE A CIP PROJECT TO LOOK AT THAT PATHWAY SEGMENT FROM SHELTER COVE LANE UP TO MATTHEWS DRIVE.

AND, UM, WE'VE CURRENTLY DONE SOME SURVEY AND EVALUATION AND BE ABLE TO EXECUTE THAT.

BUT IF WE NEED TO USE TOWN ON PROPERTY TO MOVE THAT SEPARATION AWAY FROM THE ROADWAY COUNCIL SUPPORT FOR THAT, UM, THAT DIRECTION, THERE'S ALSO AN OPPORTUNITY TO CONSOLIDATE SOME OF THE PRIVATE PROPERTY CURB CUTS.

THAT'S NOT TAKING ANYONE'S ACCESS AWAY, BUT TO COORDINATE WITH THESE PROPERTY OWNERS HOW AN APRON CAN BE SHARED BY MULTIPLE PROPERTIES SO THAT WE MINIMIZE THE NUMBER OF CROSSINGS OF PEDESTRIANS AND BICYCLISTS WITH THOSE, MAKING THOSE, UH, THOSE TURNS INTO THOSE PRIVATE PROPERTY, UH, CURB CUTS.

UM, SOME OF THE VEHICULAR IMPROVEMENTS, JAY GUY, YOU WANNA SPEAK TO SOME OF THESE ROADWAY IMPROVEMENTS AND THE NOTION OF MAYBE ACCESS MANAGEMENT, ABSOLUTELY.

PROJECT IMPROVEMENTS, THERE'S GONNA NEED TO BE COORDINATED.

PROPERTY OWNERS, STAKEHOLDERS, UH, THERE'S 29 TOTAL DRIVEWAY CONNECTIONS ALREADY ALONG USD.

UH, THERE ARE OPPORTUNITIES TO CONSOLIDATE THOSE DOWN.

TOTAL NUMBER WHEN YOU REDUCE THE TOTAL NUMBER.

UH, YOU HAVE, UH, A COUPLE BENEFITS ASSOCIATED WITH THAT.

NOT ONLY STOPPING SAFETY OR REAR END, UH, CRASH REDUCTION, UH, SAME WITH LEFT TURN, CRASH REDUCTION, BUT ALSO, UH, ENHANCEMENT ASSOCIATED WITH, UM, A SAFER AND MORE EFFICIENT FLOW OF TRAFFIC THROUGH THE AREA.

UH, AND SO WE WOULD START ANY OF THE CONVERSATIONS WITH ANY OF THE ADDITIONAL IMPROVEMENTS, UH, WITH THAT INITIAL COORDINATION, UNDERSTANDING WHERE THOSE OPPORTUNITIES EXIST FOR US.

START NEXT SLIDE.

UH, LOOKING AT POTENTIAL OPTIONS HERE, UM, AS IT RELATES TO, UH, PERK SPEECH, UM, WE'VE HAD A NUMBER OF, UH, OF DISCUSSIONS, UH, OF WHAT COULD GO THERE.

OBVIOUSLY, A SIGNALIZE INTERSECTION, UM, COULD GO IN AT THIS LOCATION ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE, UH, GRAPHIC.

AS YOU CAN SEE, WE WOULD CONSOLIDATE SOME OF THE DRIVEWAYS.

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THERE'S A CLUSTERING OF DRIVEWAYS IN AND AROUND WHAT WE CALL THE AREA OF INFLUENCE FOR INFECTION.

UH, WE'D WANT TO BRING THOSE INTO A MORE REFINED LOCATION.

NOT ONLY DOES THAT BENEFIT, UH, VEHICULAR MOVEMENTS, BUT ALSO PEDESTRIAN MOVEMENTS THAT MAY OCCUR AT THAT LOCATION AS WELL AS BICYCLE MOVEMENTS.

UH, THE MORE, UH, CONFLICT POINTS WE CAN REMOVE, THE SAFER IT'S GONNA BE FOR ALL ROAD USERS, UH, ASSOCIATED WITH THAT.

ANOTHER OPTION IS TO RESTRICT THE SIDE STREET LEFT MOVEMENTS.

SO STILL ALLOW FOR LEFT TURNS IN, UH, AND RIGHT TURNS IN.

BUT, UH, REMOVE THE ABILITY FOR TRAFFIC TO TURN LEFT OUT OF THAT.

UM, THAT WOULD, UH, THAT IS KNOWN AS AN RCU CONFIGURATION OR REDUCE CONFLICT INTERSECTION.

UH, THAT DOES NECESSITATE THE NEED FOR U-TURNS, UM, OUTSIDE OF THE INTERSECTION.

AND THEN OF COURSE, JUST KEEPING THE INTERSECTION AS IT CURRENTLY IS, UH, IN THE ADDITION OF ADDING SOME MEDIANS AND SOME OTHER IMPROVEMENTS ALONG THE CORRIDOR.

BUT THEN CONSOLIDATING, UM, DRIVEWAYS AT THAT SIGNALIZE CENTER OR AT THAT INTERSECTION, UH, TO REMOVE SOME OF THE ADDITIONAL CONFLICT POINTS THAT ARE OUT THERE AND, AND CREATING MORE CONTROLLED MOVEMENT AT THE INTERSECTION.

THE, THE, THE GREEN BARS THAT ARE ON THESE THREE IMAGES REPRESENT THE POTENTIAL FOR A LANDSCAPED MEDIAN.

AGAIN, THERE IS NOT ONE THERE THAT'S GOING TO RESTRICT SOME MOTIONS, SOME LEFT TURN MOTIONS INTO EVERY ONE OF THOSE CURB CUTS TO LIKE COLLEAGUES POINT THAT IS, UH, AN OPTION FOR COUNCIL AND FOR THE CONSTITUENTS TO CONSIDER.

DO YOU WANT THAT LANDSCAPE MEDIAN? DO WE WANT TO HAVE A DIFFERENCE IN TURNING PATTERNS CAUSED BY THAT MEDIAN? UM, WHAT ARE THE PROS AND CONS OF THAT WANT? IT STARTS TO SLOW DOWN TRAFFIC TO COUNCILMAN, UH, STANFORD'S POINT.

IT GIVES, UH, AS JONATHAN GUY SAYS, UH, A FRICTION ALONG THE ROADWAY.

PEOPLE TEND TO SLOW DOWN WHEN IT'S NOT, UH, 75 FEET WIDE, AND THEY GO AS FAST AS THEY, AS THEY SOW CARE.

IT ALSO TENDS TO, UH, ADD AESTHETIC CHARACTER TO, IN ANY ONE OF THOSE OPTIONS, UH, TO, TO THE CORRIDOR.

THAT RIGHT NOW IS JUST A WIDTH OF PAVEMENT O'BRIEN.

I WAS GONNA, UM, IF YOU DON'T MIND, I'LL JUMP IN FOR A SECOND HERE.

SO THERE'S A, A SERIES OF THESE QUESTIONS FOR, FOR EACH OF THE SEGMENTS, RIGHT? THE FIRST ONE IS ABOUT TALENT COUNCIL'S, APPETITE TO UTILIZE TOWN PROPERTY FOR THE PEDESTRIAN IMPROVEMENTS THAT WE JUST LOOKED AT.

AND, UM, AND MAYOR, WE CAN, I CAN SUMMARIZE 'EM AT THE END AND HAVE DISCUSSION, OR WE CAN HAVE COUNCIL WEIGH IN FOR EACH OF THESE, I THINK WEIGH IN AS, AS WE GO THROUGH ON THIS, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, FIRST QUESTION I, IT COMES TO MY MIND WHEN WE TALK, TALK ABOUT USING SOME OF THE TOWN LAND AT CHAPLAIN.

HOW DOES THAT AFFECT THE REDEVELOPMENT OF CHAPLAIN? RIGHT? SO, SO WHAT'S, WHAT'S THE UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES THAT WE'RE DOING BY SAYING DO THIS? UM, SO THAT'S, YOU KNOW, YEAH, ABSOLUTELY.

SO, UM, ARE WE READY TO JUMP IN YEAH.

TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION? YEAH.

SO WHAT'S REPRESENTED HERE FROM A PEDESTRIAN IMPROVEMENT WOULD, UM, JUST INTEGRATE THE PATHWAY INTO THE PARK, UH, MORE SO THAN IT IS TODAY.

AND I DON'T THINK IT WOULD'VE MUCH IMPACT ON THE OVERALL CHAPLAIN MASTER PLAN.

THERE WAS SOME, UM, SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT WAYS TO INFLUENCE THE ROADWAY IN THIS SECTION.

AND BECAUSE THE TOWN OWNS, UM, THE, THE SIGNIFICANT FRONTAGE ALONG THE ROADWAY THAT SOME, UH, FRONTAGE ROAD OR, OR DRIVE CONSOLIDATION COULD BE ACCOMMODATED BY SLIGHTLY SHIFTING THE ROADWAY DOWN INTO CHAPLAIN PARK.

I THINK THAT WOULD HAVE SOME IMPACT ON THE, THE OVERALL MASTER PLAN AS IT RELATES TO THE ELEMENTS THAT WERE CERTAINLY ALONG THE EDGE CHANGE THE EDGE CONDITION.

UH, BUT AS YOU KNOW, ON THE MASTER PLAN, THERE WAS PATHWAY AND PARKING THAT WAS INCLUDED UP HERE NEAR THE, NEAR THAT INTERSECTION OF BERKS BEACH AND WILLIAM MILTON PARKWAY.

UM, AND SO IS THERE AN APPETITE? AND, AND IT WOULD HAVE TO, UM, YOU KNOW, THE TOWN OWNS PROPERTY ON BOTH SIDES, BUT IT WOULD HAVE TO BE SOME SLIGHT MODIFICATIONS THAT ROADWAY FROM A GEOMETRY.

LET ME ASK YOU THIS, SEAN, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S KIND OF WHERE WE MIGHT LEAN RIGHT NOW.

UM, AND IT GIVES YOU THE DIRECTION AND TEAM TO MOVE FORWARD IN PUTTING STUFF TOGETHER ON PAPER SO THAT WE CAN COME BACK LATER, LATER NEXT YEAR TO LOOK AT WHAT'S BEEN DEVELOPED, UM, WITHIN THOSE DEVELOPMENTS PLANS.

WILL WE SEE VARIOUS OPTIONS AS TO, YOU KNOW, HOW WE MOVE THIS, HOW WE MOVE THAT, BUT IT'S JUST A GENERAL, HEY, THIS IS WHAT WE CAN SUPPORT ABOUT GETTING THE PATHS OFF THE ROADWAY, UM, LOOKING AT USING TOWN OWNED LAND.

BUT IT'S NOT REALLY, IT'S JUST SAYING THAT'S WHAT IT'S GONNA BE RIGHT HERE, BUT IT'S JUST GONNA GIVE US, GIVE YOU THE DIRECTIVE.

WE'RE NOT ASKING YOU TO HAVE A FINAL DESIGN.

UH, WE, WELL, WE WE'RE NOT EVEN THAT FAR ALONG.

RIGHT? BUT IT'S TO GIVE US THE FLEXIBILITY TO LOOK AT A FEW THINGS, UM, THAT WE'VE GOT THE CONFIDENCE THAT YOU'VE SUPPORTED.

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PERFECT.

ALEX, MR. BROWN? YES, THANK YOU, SIR.

UM, BUT I'M GLAD THAT WE'RE HAVING THIS DISCUSSION OUT LOUD.

UM, AND TO SORT OF MOVE ALONG IN THE MAYOR'S DIRECTION, YOU ARE LOOKING FOR COMMENTS FROM US TO GIVE YOU DIRECTIVE TO BRING US BACK OPTIONS AT A FUTURE DATE, IS THE WAY I UNDERSTAND IT.

CORRECT.

UM, SO AS WE LOOK AT THIS AREA, UM, AND I'D ENCOURAGE ALL OF US ON COUNCIL AND IN THE COMMUNITY TO SORT OF THINK IN THE SAME WAY THAT WE THOUGHT ABOUT THE BEACH CITY TO HILL ROAD AREA.

LET'S THINK DIFFERENTLY, LET'S GET OUTSIDE OF OUR BOX ON THIS.

OBVIOUSLY THIS IS A VERY COMPLICATED AREA THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT FOR A VERY LONG TIME.

I DO FEEL AS IF WE HAVE SOME ADVANTAGES WITH THE TOWN OWNING AS MUCH PROPERTY AS THEY DO ON THE CHAPLAIN PARK SIDE OF THE ROAD.

SO ALPHA ONE WOULD ENCOURAGE US TO LOOK AT THAT AS OPPORTUNITY.

UM, TO JAY'S POINT, IT'S GONNA BE A TOUGH CONVERSATION WITH STAKEHOLDERS IN THIS AREA.

IF YOU'RE JUST SIMPLY SAYING, I'M GONNA CLOSE DOWN YOUR DRIVEWAY, BUT UNLESS YOU HAVE SOME REAL OPTIONS TO BITE INTO, I THINK WE'RE GONNA BE KICKING THIS CAN DOWN THE ROAD AGAIN.

UH, SO I WOULD ENCOURAGE FROM MY SEAT THAT WE'D LOOK AT THE OPPORTUNITY OF JOGGING OR WHATEVER NEEDS TO BE DONE SO THAT YOU DO PROVIDE OTHER OPTIONS AND OPPORTUNITY ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE ROAD.

AND LASTLY, I WOULD COMMENT ON THE SIGNALIZATION.

UM, IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THAT WAS ALMOST TO THE FINISH LINE AS FAR AS APPROVAL IS CONCERNED WHEN MARRIOTT SURF WATCH FIRST CAME INTO TOWN, UM, AND SOMEHOW IT WENT AWAY.

UM, SO I THINK WE NEED TO, TO DEFINITELY REVISIT THAT.

UM, THAT IS ABSOLUTELY A WAY TO SLOW TRAFFIC DOWN IN THIS AREA IS TO STOP IT.

UM, THE DISTANCE BETWEEN FARLEY FIELD AND SINGLETON BEACH DOES GIVE TOO MUCH OF OUR OPPORTUNITY FOR FOLKS TO SPEED UP.

SO IF WE COULD STOP THEM ONCE AGAIN, I THINK WE, UM, ULTIMATELY WILL PROVIDE A SAFER EXPERIENCE.

HOW MUCH, UM, SEAN, AS I UNDERSTOOD, YOU STARTED OFF SAYING YOU, YOU WERE GONNA PRESENT US WITH SOME OPTIONS AND YOU WANTED TO KNOW OUR POINTS OF VIEW.

THE, THE SLIDE THAT SHOWS OPTION ONE, TWO, AND THREE DIFFERENT INTERSECTION CONFIGURATIONS.

THERE'S NO WAY I CAN SAY WHICH ONE I PREFER.

UH, I DO AGREE THAT WE NEED TO IMPROVE THE INTERSECTIONS, AND THAT'S THE POINT.

UH, IN TERMS OF USING TOWN ON LAND, ABSOLUTELY WE SHOULD USE TOWN ON LAND.

THERE'S NO REASON NOT TO.

THAT GIVES US AN OPPORTUNITY TO CREATE MORE OF THE PARKWAY FEEL, UH, THAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT FOR THE LAST FIVE YEARS OR MORE.

AND SO I, I CERTAINLY SUPPORT THAT.

AND I ALSO SUPPORT THE CONCEPT OF STANDARDIZING SIGNS, UH, CROSSWALKS, THE WHOLE GAMUT OF THINGS, WHICH HAS BEEN DONE IN A HAPHAZARD MANNER OVER TIME WITH GOOD INTENTIONS.

BUT IT, IT'S, IT'S KIND OF A MESS.

UH, CREATING NO LEFT TURNS IS LIKE WHAT COUNCILMAN BROWN'S TALKING ABOUT.

IF I CAN'T TURN LEFT AT SOMEPLACE, YOU'RE TAKING SOMETHING AWAY FROM ME.

IF YOU'RE CLOSING MY DRIVEWAY, YOU'RE TAKING SOMETHING AWAY FROM ME.

SO WE HAVE TO COME UP WITH WAYS THAT PRESERVE THOSE THINGS FOR PEOPLE'S BENEFIT SO THAT WE'RE NOT HARMING RESIDENTS BUSINESSES ALONG THE WAY.

UH, BUT WE ARE IMPROVING SAFETY .

SURE.

SO, UM, IN THIS AREA, I HAVE A QUESTION ON, UM, SO THE, THE SQUIGGLY RED LINE THAT'S COMES DOWN INTO CHAPLAIN PARK, THAT'S A PATHWAY, CORRECT? CORRECT.

SO THAT DOES NOT REPRESENT WHERE A ROAD SHIFT WOULD TAKE PLACE.

THAT'S SIMPLY A PATHWAY COMING IN, COMING INTO THE PARK, THEN COMING BACK OUT OF THE PARK.

SO WHEN YOU REFER TO A SHIFT IN THE ROADWAY, IS THAT REPRESENTED HERE ANYWHERE OR? NO.

SO WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT THAT REALLY AT THIS POINT IN ANY CASE.

REALLY NO, THERE'S NO REAL OPPORTUNITY TO GET FROM 2 78 BEHIND THOSE HOUSES ON BRADLEY BEACH ROAD TO, TO THAT PARK.

AND THEN THERE'S ANOTHER SQUIGGLY LINE, UM, RED LINE DOWN BY BRADLEY BEACH ROAD.

CAN YOU TELL ME MORE ABOUT THAT SQUIGGLY LINE THAT'S A CONNECTION POINT TO ACCESS THE BEACH FROM THE PATHWAY SYSTEM? OH, I, I'M JUST CURIOUS AS TO WHERE THAT GOES, BECAUSE THERE'S

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IT GOES THROUGH THE TOWN HALL PROPERTY, UM, THAT THE, THE ESSEN PROPERTY THAT RUNS.

UM, SO WHERE, SO JUST TELL ME A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THAT FROM WHEN YOU LEAVE THE BIKE PATH ON 2 78, WHERE IT WOULD BE ANTICIPATED IT WOULD GO AND WHERE IT WOULD COME OUT.

YEAH, FIRST OFF THAT IT'S AS MUCH ABOUT PROVIDING ACCESS FROM THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS OUT TO 2 78 AND THE SPINE OF OUR TRAIL SYSTEM, NOT MORE NEIGHBORHOOD ACCESS FOR EVERYBODY THAT LIVES IN THAT AREA.

JUST AS WE HAVE OTHER , AND I UNDERSTAND THE PURPOSE OF IT, I'M JUST ASKING THE LOCATION OF IT.

ACCESS TO PROPERTY OWNERS, ESPECIALLY, UM, ON THE NON BEACH SIDE, UM, I, I AGREE WITH MR. BROWN.

AND, AND, AND AT THIS, AT THIS JUNCTURE, COUNCILWOMAN, IT'S MORE DIAGRAMMATIC THAN ANYTHING THAT'S MEANT TO BE A BRANCH OFF OF A TRUNK.

I UNDERSTAND THAT.

AND ALSO KNOWING THE, THE, THE LAY OF THE LAND THERE, IT IS MY WARD.

SO OBVIOUSLY I'M GONNA HAVE 5 MILLION QUESTIONS AND CONCERNS AND, UM, WILL BE, UM, NOT VERY ENTHUSIASTIC AT THIS MOMENT FOR THAT PATHWAY.

UM, AND I ALSO DON'T BELIEVE THERE'S ROOM FOR YOU TO CREATE SOMETHING FROM THAT BEACH AREA, UM, ALONG THERE IN THAT MANNER.

BUT WE'LL, WE'LL DIVE INTO THAT ANOTHER DAY AND ANOTHER TIME.

BUT FOR NOW, UM, CERTAINLY BRINGING THE PATHWAY THROUGH THE PARK IS A LOVELY IDEA, AND IT DOESN'T, AS SEAN AND I ASKED YOU DURING OUR CONVERSATION, UM, IT DOESN'T INTERFERE WITH ANY OF THE MASTER PLANNING FOR, UM, FOR CHAPLAIN PARK.

NO, MA'AM.

THE PATHWAY DOES NOT.

AND THEN ON THE INTERSECTION FOR BURKE SPEECH AND, UM, 2 78, THERE IS, UM, AN INTERSECTION THAT WE'LL GET TO, I'M SURE BEFORE THIS SESSION IS OVER DOWN BY FOLLY FIELD WITH IMPROVEMENTS, RIGHT? MM-HMM .

AND THEN YOU VERY QUICKLY, LIKE VERY QUICKLY WITHIN SECONDS COME UPON THIS INTERSECTION, WHICH IS, UM, ANOTHER STOPLIGHT.

AND I, AND I UNDERSTAND THE IDEA OF SLOWING TRAFFIC DOWN, BUT I THINK THAT IN THOSE ORIGINAL PLANS THAT WE WERE DISCUSSED SOME TIME AGO WITH CREATING A MORE PARKWAY FEEL, THE NECESSITY FOR ANOTHER URBANIZED LIGHTS SIGNAL THERE IS, IS DONE AWAY WITH THE LIGHT, DOES NOT MAKE SENSE THERE.

UM, IT CHANGES THE CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

IT'S TOO CLOSE TO THE ONE ON FOLLY FIELD AND THEN QUICKLY, RIGHT? AGAIN, TOO CLOSE TO THE ONE ON SINGLETON.

SO THE SPACE IN BETWEEN, UM, JUST REALLY ISN'T THERE TO HAVE THREE LIGHTS IN A ROW.

AND I THINK THE MOST IMPORTANT PART OF THE CONVERSATION IS HOW DO WE CREATE A, UM, A MORE SEEM SEAMLESS PORTION, A SE HOW DO WE CREATE A SEAMLESS CONNECTION BETWEEN THE FOLLY FIELD LIGHT AND SHELTER CODE? THIS IS THE ONLY SPAN OF 2 78 THAT IS NOTHING BUT PAVEMENT.

AND SO FOR YEARS NOW, UM, I'VE BEEN ASKING THAT THIS AREA BE INCORPORATED JUST LIKE OTHER AREAS OF 2 78 TO BE MORE HO HARMONIOUS WITH PLANTINGS, TRAFFIC, CALMING MEASURES THAT WILL CERTAINLY, UM, CREATE A SAFER AREA RATHER THAN JUST A SPEEDWAY.

SO, UM, I'M NOT SURE IF THOSE, UH, COMMENTS ARE COMPLETE RIGHT NOW, BUT I THINK RIGHT NOW YOU'RE JUST LOOKING FOR A GENERAL IDEA OF WHERE, UM, WE STAND EACH OF US STANDS AND UM, THOSE ARE MY POSITIONS AT THIS POINT.

RIGHTON, I'M GONNA, I'M GONNA LET, UM, JUST A MOMENT.

UH, THANK YOU MAYOR.

APOLOGIES FOR HAVING TO LEAVE EARLY.

MY HUSBAND'S FAMILY IS GETTING TOGETHER AND I'M REQUIRED TO BE PRESENT .

UM, SO WITH REGARD TO USING, UM, TOWN ON PROPERTY, UH, ESPECIALLY TO GET IT OFF 2 78, I'M DEFINITELY IN FAVOR OF THAT.

I HAVE RIDDEN MY BIKE ON BOTH SIDES OF THAT ROAD, INCLUDING ALONG THE SIDEWALK FROM MATTHEWS ALL THE WAY DOWN TO SHELTER COVE LANE.

IT'S NOT MUCH FUN TO DO.

SO ANYTHING WE CAN DO TO GET THAT PATHWAY WITHOUT AFFECTING PRIVATE PROPERTY RIGHTS, I'M ALL IN FAVOR OF THAT.

LOOK FORWARD TO THE, UH, MORE DETAILED CONCEPT.

UH, WITH REGARD TO THE CONNECTION AT BRADLEY BEACH ROAD.

I APPRECIATE THE, THE CONNECTION THERE.

I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE MORE ABOUT THAT CONCEPT.

UM, BUT DEFINITELY ALONG 2 78.

UM, THEN, UM, WITH REGARD TO, UM, UH, THE RESTRICTION OF

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I THINK WE NEED TO COME UP WITH SOME IDEAS OF WHAT THESE POSSIBILITIES ARE BEFORE I'D SAY YES OR NO, UH, BECAUSE I WANNA RESPECT AND, AND MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE FAIR ACCESS FOR ALL THE PROPERTY OWNERS ALONG THERE, WHATEVER THAT MIGHT BE LIKE.

BUT IT'S HARD TO, TO, TO LOOK AT THIS AND SAY, I UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT WOULD BE.

UM, SO MORE CONCEPT INFORMATION ABOUT HOW THAT MIGHT WORK.

UM, BUT CERTAINLY, UH, IMPROVING THE SAFETY.

UM, AND I DO AGREE, UH, TO ADD LANDSCAPE MEDIANS THROUGH THERE, PROVIDED THAT WE, UH, GIVE FOLKS FAIR AND ADEQUATE ACCESS TO THEIR PROPERTIES.

UM, WITH REGARD TO, UM, THE INTERSECTION AT BERKS BEACH, UM, AT, UH, WHEN I LOOKED AT THIS EARLIER, I'M LIKE, YOU KNOW, I DON'T, THE ONE I DON'T LIKE IS OPTION THREE.

I CAN TELL YOU THAT ONE THE DO NOTHING OPTION.

UM, THE OTHER TWO, I WONDERED ABOUT THE TRAFFIC COUNT THERE.

UM, BUT ANYTHING TO IMPROVE SAFETY AND SLOWING DOWN TRAFFIC.

UM, AND IF THE BEST WAY TO DO THAT IS A SIGNALIZE INTERSECTION, THEN THAT'S HOW I WOULD GO.

UM, DID I HIT ALL THE ONES YOU WANTED TO KNOW ABOUT AT THIS POINT? YEAH.

UM, THE OTHER THING I WOULD SAY JUST IN ADVANCE IS ELIMINATING THE SLIP LANE THERE AT MATTHEWS IS A GOOD IDEA AND CERTAINLY PROVIDING CLEAR DIRECTION FOR, UH, PEDESTRIAN AND, AND UM, UH, BICYCLE CROSSING THERE.

UM, AND THEN, UM, I DON'T THINK YOU HAVE IT ON THE LIST, BUT IS THERE SOME WAY, UH, THE BIGGEST DANGER THERE FROM CERTAINLY A BICYCLIST POINT OF VIEW, AND AS A BIKE AMBASSADOR, I'VE SEEN THIS TROUBLING, UH, INTERSECTION AS WELL ARE THE RIGHT TURN LANES ON THE FOLLY FIELD WHERE, UM, YOU HAVE THE CROSSING SIGNAL AS A PEDESTRIAN OR BICYCLIST AND THE TRAFFIC COMING UP AND THAT RIGHT TURN LANE DOESN'T PAY ATTENTION TO YOU.

UM, THE SAME THING HAPPENS IF YOU'RE GOING, UH, ON ISLAND AND MAKING THE LEFT TURN.

IF YOU'RE, IF YOU'RE A VEHICLE LEFT, TURN ON A FOLLY FIELD.

UM, IF THERE'S SOME WAY TO, UM, SHUT OFF THOSE TURN LANES AND THEN, UH, STOP A RIGHT TURN ON RED TO ALLOW THE PEDESTRIANS AND BICYCLISTS TO CROSS SAFELY THERE.

UM, I I, I'D REQUEST THAT YOU TAKE A LOOK AT THAT AND I THINK, UH, THE BIKE AMBASSADORS AND BIKE WALK WOULD ALSO SUPPORT LOOKING AT, UH, INCREASED SAFETY FOR THAT CROSSING AT FOLLY FIELD AND, AND 2 78.

UM, THANK YOU MAYOR.

CERTAINLY INCREASING, I THINK THE, ONE OF THE LAST RECOMMENDATIONS IN IS INCREASING THE, UM, PATHWAY SIZES THROUGHOUT THAT CORRIDOR.

I SUPPORT THAT.

THROUGH JUST A, A COUPLE OF SLIDES.

WE CAN, DO YOU ACTUALLY HAVE THAT MIGHT WORK.

I CAN UNDERSTAND, YOU CAN UNDERSTAND THAT, UH, IN THE CASE OF DRIVEWAYS THAT MAY BE WITHIN REASONABLE PROXIMITY OF ONE ANOTHER, THAT IT MIGHT BE POSSIBLE, BUT NOT INTERNAL ROADS OR, OR WHAT ARE THE CONCEPTS THAT WOULD CURB CUTS? WELL, I'M, I'M GONNA LEAVE IT TO JONATHAN GUY TO PUT MEAT ON THIS COMMENT, BUT THERE ARE OPPORTUNITIES TO SHARE A COMMON DRIVEWAY, APRON, A CURB CUT WITH A, WITH A COMMON DRIVE.

MIGHT THAT BE PRIVATE ROAD? MIGHT THAT BE DEDICATED ROAD? MIGHT THAT BE PRIVATELY HELD IN ASSOCIATION? I DON'T KNOW.

BUT THERE'S A WAY OF CONNECTING BRANCHES AGAIN TO A TRUNK, WHICH IS 2 78, AND ELIMINATING THAT WHOLE SEQUENCE OF CURB CUTS.

THAT'S A DRIVEWAY ON PRIVATE PROPERTY.

SO THAT'S WHERE WE SAY, HEY, WE NEED TO GET TOGETHER WITH THESE NEIGHBORS AND SAY, WHAT DO YOU ALL FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH? WE'RE TRYING TO BRING SAFETY TO YOUR COMMUNITY.

WE NEED TO HAVE, SO THAT'S, UH, THE PHYSICAL PART OF THAT IS THE, IS THE EASY PART.

THAT'S THE EASY PART.

AND THEN WE CAN CONSOLIDATE CERTAIN CURB CUTS OR, UH, PASSAGEWAYS THROUGH THE MEDIAN AND STILL HAVE SEGMENTS OF LANDSCAPE MEDIAN FOR, UM, FOR, UH, AESTHETIC PURPOSES AND FOR SAFETY.

BUT CONSOLIDATE THOSE INTO, UH, A, A, A NUMBER OF, A LIMITED NUMBER OF CURB CUTS.

BUT WE'RE, WE HAVEN'T MET WITH THESE FOLKS YET, AND THAT'S WHAT I'M IN FAVOR OF HAVING CONVERSATIONS WITH THE LANDOWNERS.

UH, BUT DO, WOULD YOU BE, UH, KEEPING THE RIGHT OF EMINENT DOMAIN IN YOUR BACK POCKET DOWN ISSUE, NOT A CONSULTANT ? THAT'S, SO LET, LET ME HELP, I'M GONNA WALK

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UM, JUST FOR CLARITY.

SO IN THE, IN THE SLIDE HERE, GENERAL IMPROVEMENTS, WE DID IDENTIFY THE FRONTAGE WHERE TOWN, WHERE THE TOWN OWNS PROPERTY.

UM, AND THERE WAS A POINT HERE THAT THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO UTILIZE TOWN OWNED LAND TO ACHIEVE SLIGHT, UM, REALIGNMENT OF THE ROADWAY.

SO IF YOU LOOK AT, I'M GONNA GO NOW TO THE, WHERE THERE'S THE CONFLICT POINTS IN THIS SLIDE, YOU CAN SEE THAT THERE'S A, A SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF THE CONFLICT POINTS ON THE MARSH SIDE OF THE, OF THE ROADWAY HERE, RIGHT? THERE'S NO CURB CUTS BETWEEN SINGLETON BEACH AND BERKS BEACH ROAD.

SO IF COUNCIL HAD AN APPETITE FOR US TO LOOK AT AN, A SHARED FRONTAGE ROAD OR DRIVE HERE BY SHIFTING SLIGHTLY THE ROADWAY, UH, INTO THE CHAPLAIN COMMUNITY PARK, YOU COULD ACHIEVE THAT FRONTAGE ROAD, THE POTENTIAL MEDIAN BECAUSE HAVE NOW CONSOLIDATED ACCESS.

UM, AND THEN THE CHAPLAIN PARK HERE ON THAT SIDE.

SO THAT IS PART OF THE CONSIDERATION THAT WE'RE ASKING FROM COUNSEL WHEN WE HAVE THESE CONVERSATIONS IS, IS IT JUST, ARE YOU IN SUPPORT OF CLOSING YOUR MEDIAN AND HAVING ALTERNATIVE ACCESS OR DO YOU ALSO SUPPORT THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE A SHARED DRIVE IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN EXPLORE AND LOOK AT WITH TOWN ON PROPERTY.

SO UNDERSTANDING FROM COUNCIL, IS THERE SUPPORT OR CONSENSUS FROM COUNCIL THAT WE CAN ADVANCE THAT DISCUSSION, UM, ON BOTH FRONTS RATHER THAN JUST ONE IF THE CONVERSATIONS ARE WITH EACH, EACH INDIVIDUAL PROPERTY OWNER? UM, WHERE THIS EFFORT HAS FALLEN SHORT IN THE PAST IS EACH OWNER HAS SAID, I WANNA MAINTAIN MY ACCESS.

AND SO IF WE WERE TO THEN TRY TO IMPLEMENT A MEDIAN WHERE THE SCREEN DOTTED LINE IS YOU, WOULD I, I'D BE VERY INEFFECTIVE TO IMPLEMENT A MEDIAN THERE, OR IT'D BE THESE LITTLE SHORT SECTIONS OF MEDIAN THAT'S NOT, I DON'T THINK WHAT THE EXPECTATIONS ARE WHEN COUNCIL ASK THE QUESTION.

SO FROM, YOU KNOW, QUESTION ONE, IS THERE COUNCIL SUPPORT TO, TO INCLUDE POTENTIAL UTILIZATION FOR THE MODIFICATION, FOR THE ALIGNMENT TO ACCOMMODATE THESE? SO IF WE CAN GET SOME DIRECTION ON THAT, MAYOR, THEN WE CAN MOVE TO THE NEXT QUESTION.

IT WAS THE FRONTAGE ROAD THAT I HAD IN MIND, WONDERING IF, IF THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT YOU WERE THINKING ABOUT.

YEAH, AND IT'S LISTED HERE AND JONATHAN COVERED A LITTLE BIT LIKE AT THIS INTERSECTION, THIS WOULD BE, UM, SHARE DRIVE, I GUESS.

UM, BUT THE OPTION, OPTION, RIGHT, TO EXTEND THAT FURTHER TO ACCOMMODATE PROPERTIES WHERE ALL THOSE ACCESS POINTS EXIST, UH, ON THAT, I, I'M CALLING ON NORTH SIDE HERE, BUT ON THE MARSH SIDE OF THE ROADWAY IN THE SECTION, UM, COULD MAKE SOME SENSE IF COUNCIL SUPPORTS UTILIZING PROPERTY ON THE OTHER SIDE.

'CAUSE THERE'S, THERE'S VERY NARROW WIDTH IN THERE.

ALSO, THE ABILITY TO PUT THE PATHWAY ON THAT SIDE, IT'S VERY TIGHT.

WE FOUND WITH OUR SURVEY WORK, IT'S VERY TIGHT TO PUT A PATHWAY ON THAT SIDE AS WELL, SEPARATED FROM THE ROADWAY.

SO THERE'S OTHER WAYS TO DO IT.

THE MEDIAN DOESN'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO BE AS WIDE IF WE WERE ABLE TO IMPLEMENT PLANTED MEDIAN.

UM, THE ROAD, THE LANES ARE PART OF CONSIDERATION IN THE, IN THE CROSS SECTION.

BUT DOES COUNCIL, IS COUNCIL SUPPORTIVE OF US UTILIZING TOWN ON PROPERTY FOR, FOR AT LEAST ADVANCING THE DISCUSSION ON, ON THE ALIGNMENT? I MIGHT, JOHN? YES SIR.

IF I MIGHT.

UM, RIGHT NOW THERE'S ROUGHLY 35 FEET BETWEEN WALKWAY, MEDIAN WALKWAY, BUFF, BUFFER AND PATHWAY.

I THINK I, YEAH, I DID THAT RIGHT.

UM, THAT'S 35 FEET.

WHAT CAN BE DONE TO UTILIZE THE EXISTING TOWN OWNED PROPERTY WITH BIKE PATH, SHRINKING DOWN SOME OF THAT MEDIA, SHRINKING SOME OF THAT DOWN TO CREATE A MORE CURVED ROAD THROUGH THAT AREA SO THAT IT'S NOT JUST STRAIGHT, YOU CREATE A MEDIAN THAT IS PLANTED NICELY.

HAVE THE, THE COMMUNITY CONVERSATION WITH THE RESIDENTS IN THAT AREA, CHAPLAIN PARK TO FIND OUT HOW THEY FEEL ABOUT THIS POSSIBILITY.

I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY STEP ONE, BUT YOU'VE GOTTA BE ABLE TO SHOW SOMETHING.

UM, SO I, I THINK WHAT YOU'RE HEARING FROM COUNSEL IS, AND Y'ALL CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT YEAH, IT'S, IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO LOOK AT.

UM, BUT THERE NEEDS TO BE A LOT OF CONVERSATIONS THAT GO ALONG WITH IT WITH THOSE RESIDENTS IN THAT AREA TO MAKE CERTAIN THAT IT'S NOT GONNA UPSET, UPSET.

MAYOR, THIS SECTION I THINK SPEAKS TO EXACTLY YOUR, YOUR COMMENTS.

YES, IT DOES.

AND AND YOU CAN SEE THE, UH, CHAPLAIN COMMUNITY PARK ON THE RIGHT AND THE PRIVATE RESIDENTS, UH, THAT BACK UP TO UH, UH, BROAD CREEK ON THE LEFT AND IN IN, UM, TO HIT THIS WITH A MEAT AX, IF YOU WERE TO TAKE THAT ENTIRE SECTION AND

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SLIDE IT INTO THE PARK, WE WOULDN'T BE AFFECTING THAT RIGHT OF WAY.

THAT'S ON THE PRIVATE PROPERTY SIDE OF THINGS.

STILL HAVE AN ADDRESS TO THE, THE, THE COMMON DRIVEWAY, THE FRONTAGE DRIVEWAY IF YOU WILL, ON THE CURB CUTS.

SO WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS IN TWO DIMENSIONS, RIGHT? WE NEED TO LOOK AT IT THREE DIMENSIONS, RIGHT? BUT YOUR, YOUR POINT IS WELL TAKEN.

THAT PATHWAY, UH, THAT'S ON THE PARK SIDE CAN IN FACT MEANDER INTO THE PARK AND NOT EVEN APPEAR ON THIS SECTION, RIGHT? AND THAT'S GONNA BE A PRETTY DOGG ON PLEASANT PATHWAY THROUGH THE PARK, UH, WHICH HAPPENS TO STOP AT A COMFORT STATION WITHIN THE PARK.

UM, THE MEDIAN CAN BE MANIPULATED.

THIS, UH, THE NORTHEAST, UH, DRIVING LANES CAN HAVE A MEANDER TO THEM.

WE HAD THIS CONVERSATION A FEW YEARS AGO TALKING ABOUT THE GATEWAY OF TAKING ADVANTAGE OF TOWN OWNED PROPERTY TO BEND A ROADWAY INTO THAT TOWN OWNED GROUND AND TAKE THE STRAIGHTNESS AWAY FROM IT.

UM, THIS, AS THIS SECTION SHOWS NOW A 12 FOOT WIDE PATHWAY ON THE PRIVATE PROPERTY SIDE SUGGESTS WE NEED A, WE NEED AN EASEMENT FROM THOSE PROPERTY OWNERS TO GET THAT TRAIL IN.

SO THE ANSWER IS PROBABLY SOMEPLACE IN BETWEEN.

BUT TO MY, MY DEAR FRIEND'S POINT, UM, THERE'S UH, UH, IT'S A MULTIFACETED SOLUTION TO THIS THING OF SLIDING THE SECTION AND MANIPULATING THOSE DIMENSIONS AND HAVING THAT CONVERSATION WITH THE RESIDENTS, RIGHT? RIGHT.

WE'RE HERE TO IMPROVE THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD ACTION.

THERE'S AN EQUAL AND OPPOSITE REACTION.

SO IT, IT HAS IMPACT ON THEM, BUT HAVE TO ENTER INTO THAT CONVERSATION BECKER.

SO I GUESS I WAS CONFUSED BECAUSE WHEN I FIRST ASKED THE QUESTION, UM, AND UH, WITH THE RED SQUIGGLY LINE COMING INTO THE PARK, THAT WAS THE ONLY MOVEMENT THAT I THOUGHT WAS BEING DISCUSSED AT THIS MOVEMENT.

BUT WHAT NOW I'M HEARING IS A SHIFT OF THE ROADWAY AS WELL AS WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR A RESPONSE TO.

SO WITH THAT SHIFT THAT WAS JUST DESCRIBED, HOW MANY FEET INTO THE PARK WOULD WE BE TAKING AND WHAT DOES THAT DO TO THE MASTER PLAN? SO THAT'S MY FIRST QUESTION.

I'M GONNA ANSWER THAT BECAUSE I'VE HAD THE LUXURY OF SITTING HERE TAKING SOME NOTES AND LISTENING EARLIER.

QUESTION WAS, DOES THAT RED LINE REPRESENT THE ROAD? AND I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY THE, THAT RED LINE REPRESENTS A PATHWAY WE ALSO ARE TRYING TO TALK ABOUT THE SQUIGGLY ONE IS THE PATHWAY, CORRECT? YES.

THOUGH THAT BECAUSE THERE'S BETWEEN 75 AND 90 FEET OF RIGHT OF WAY THROUGH THERE, IT COULD PROVIDE ITSELF, RIGHT? THAT SECTION OF ROADWAY LEND ITSELF TO AN OPPORTUNITY SOMEWHERE IN THIS AREA TO TAKE A LOOK AT THAT, THAT INTERNAL ACCESS ROAD.

SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO CLOSE DRIVEWAYS STILL PROVIDE A SAFE OPPORTUNITY.

YOU JUST DON'T PROVIDE AS MANY IN AND OUTS ALONG THAT ROAD DIRECTLY ONTO WILLIAM HILTON PARKWAY.

SO A FEW OF THOSE THINGS CAN BE, UM, IMPROVED I WOULD SAY.

AND JONATHAN'S TOO FAR AWAY TO KICK ME, SO THAT'S GOOD.

PROBABLY A CAR WIDTH MAXIMUM.

ARE WE GOING TO POTENTIALLY NEED SOME SPACE, LIKE IF YOU MOVE THE ROAD OVER TO ACCOMMODATE THE NORTH SIDE, THE MARSH SIDE OF THE PROPERTIES, WE WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT A MAJOR SHIFT IN, IN ROADWAY.

SO IS THAT FROM POINT, SORRY, IS THAT FROM POINT BERKS BEACH ROAD TO POINT, SINGLETON ROAD THAT, THAT MEET THAT SHIFT IN THE ROADWAY CAR WIDTH BACK TO THOSE INTERSECTIONS JUST TO BRING THE ROAD? RIGHT.

EXACTLY.

SO MM-HMM, TO, TO TOWN MANAGER'S POINT, IT'S NOT A BIG INCURSION INTO THE PARK.

SECONDLY, THAT EDGE OF THE PARK IS CURRENTLY CLEARED FOR A PRETTY GOOD DISTANCE AS WE KNOW.

WE'VE GOT A, WE'VE GOT A TRAIL AND A SIDEWALK ON THAT SIDE, SO WE'VE GOT SOME REDUNDANCY THERE.

SO WE'VE GOT SOME OPEN SPACE THAT YOU WOULD MOVE THAT, THAT ROADWAY INTO.

AND THEN TAKE THE TRAIL, THE SQUIGGLY LINE, AND THIS IS WHERE WE NEED TO SEE THE VARIOUS OPTIONS AND, AND WHAT THE TAKING WOULD BE IF, IF ANY, RIGHT.

OR HOW IT AFFECTS FUTURE MASTER PLAN.

A, B, OR C, AND WE STARTED TO REFINE WHERE YOUR MINDS WERE, YOUR VISION WAS, SO THAT WE COULD CONFIDENTLY GO SPEND TIME, MONEY, AND ENERGY TO COME BACK.

SO DOES IT IMPACT THE MASTER PLAN AT ALL TO DO THAT? NO, BECAUSE THAT ROADWAY IS ALREADY CLEARED BACK IN THAT SPACE.

SO ON ONE OF THEM I'VE LOST TRACK WHERE, UM, THE SPEED LIMIT, JUST LIKE THE CONSIDERATION THROUGH THE, UM, MID ISLAND THAT WE JUST DISCUSSED BEING REDUCED, HAS THIS PORTION OF 2 78 ALSO BEEN PETITIONED TO BE REDUCED, BUT IT'S ANTICIPATED THAT THAT WOULD INCLUDE HAPPEN? NOT YET.

AND I'LL EXPLAIN WHY.

BECAUSE WHEN WE REDUCE, WHEN WE MAKE THE, WHEN, IF WE THINK BACK A LITTLE BIT AND THERE'S A PROCESS, RIGHT? AND I THINK WE'RE STARTING TO REPEAT THE PROCESS AND IT'S HELPING US AS A STAFF.

WHEN WE LOOKED AT MAIN STREET, WE TALKED ABOUT CONCEPTUALLY

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WE DID THE SAME WITH WILLIAM HILTON PARKWAY THREE.

AND WE, WHAT WE DIDN'T DO THOUGH WITH WILLIAM HILTON PARKWAY THREE IS THE DINDA BEACH CITY SECTION.

WE DIDN'T GET OUT IN FRONT OF YOU.

WE KNEW WHAT YOUR DESIRE WAS, YOUR DIRECTION WAS BEFORE WE WENT AND PETITIONED S-C-D-O-T.

AND SO I WOULD SAY TODAY WE ARE IN THAT FIRST STEP THROUGH THIS SECTION.

WHAT I THINK WE OWE YOU IS BASED UPON A LOT OF YOUR FEEDBACK TODAY.

NEXT STEP WOULD BE COME BACK TO YOU WITH SOME MORE DEFINITIVE ANSWERS AND THEN GO PETITION, S-C-D-O-T BASED UPON YOUR ALIGNMENT.

SO IF I CAN REVISE MY ANSWERS, UM, IN THAT SPECIFIC AREA, TALKING FROM THE BERKS BEACH TO SINGLETON, I WOULD, I WOULD APPRECIATE SEEING HOW THAT ROADWAY SHIFT WOULD, WOULD MOVE FOR THE ADVANTAGE OF BEING ABLE TO, UM, HOPEFULLY WITH AGREEMENT, CONSOLIDATE CURB CUTS AND, AND PROVIDE MORE SAFETY TRAVEL THROUGH THERE.

IN ADDITION TO THAT SAME LINE OF THINKING IS PROVIDE THAT MEDIAN PLANTED MEDIAN, WHICH CALMS TRAFFIC AND PROVIDES SAFETY.

UM, AND SINCE THAT SPACE HAS ALREADY CLEARED SPACE, THAT'S UNUTILIZED NOW, I DON'T SEE IT IMPACTING THE MASTER PLAN OR ANYTHING THAT WE'VE PREVIOUSLY GONE THROUGH LOTS OF THESE DISCUSSIONS TO GET TO A CONCLUSION FOR.

SO I'M NOT OPPOSED IN THAT SPECIFIC AREA TO USING, UM, TOWN OF SPACE, HAVING CONVERSATIONS ABOUT THE CUT CURBS, CUT CONSOLIDATION, UM, REDUCTION OF SPEED LIMIT AND PLANTING OF A MEDIAN.

THAT ALSO GIVES US AN OPPORTUNITY TO BRING SOME, UH, CHARACTER AND TO COUNCILMAN'S POINT, A SENSE OF PLACE FOR THIS NEIGHBORHOOD RIGHT NOW, THIS IS A STRAIGHT AWAY PIECE OF CONCRETE.

AND IT, AND JUST TO ADD TO THAT, MY POINT IS, REMAINS THE SAME, THAT IF YOU WERE TO PUT A SIGNALED LIGHT, YOU, YOU LOSE THAT CHARACTER AND YOU LOSE ALL THE VALUE OF A DEAD OTHER WORK.

SO, UM, I'LL FIGHT AGAINST THAT SIGNALIZE LIGHT UNTIL WE GET TO ANOTHER PLACE, .

NOW, WHETHER YOU'D CALL ME BECAUSE I'M A LAME DUCK , WE DON'T LOOK AT YOU THAT WAY.

UH, RAMBLING WITHOUT AN UNDERSTAND, WITHOUT A SOLUTION.

UM, I, I, I LOOK AT THIS AS A GORDIAN KNOT.

UM, I, I REALLY DON'T HAVE ANY KIND OF CLAIRVOYANCE.

UM, I THINK THE CURB CUT ISSUE IS RE INTRACTABLE.

UH, I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW A FRONTAGE ROAD WOULD MAKE ANY DIFFERENCE.

UH, IS IT A ONE LANE FRONTAGE ROAD? IS IT A TWO LANE? WHAT YOU HAVE TO TURN OUT, YOU HAVE TO TURN RIGHT.

ANYWAY, WHY DON'T YOU TURN OUT RIGHT ON THE MAIN DRAG? I I'M NOT, I'M LOST ON THIS ONE.

I, I, I RECOGNIZE THAT IT, THAT IT'S A SPEED A SPEEDWAY.

AND SO I THINK SOMEHOW YOU HAVE TO, IN A, IN A SUBSTANTIVE WAY, SLOW TRAFFIC DOWN, UM, YOU DON'T WANT ANOTHER TRAFFIC LIGHT, UH, SIGNAL.

UH, I'M WONDERING, YOU KNOW, IS IT, IS IT JUST OUTTA THE REALM OF POSSIBILITY TO HAVE A CIRCLE IN THE CHAPLAIN PARK AREA THAT FORCES PEOPLE TO SLOW DOWN, GETS PEOPLE IN AND OUT OF THE BEACH AREA IN A DIFFERENT KIND OF WAY? I REALLY DON'T HAVE, UM, SOLUTIONS ON HOW YOU BALANCE ALL OF THAT AND ALSO PROVIDE A MEDIAN.

SO REALLY WHAT IT BOILS DOWN TO ME IS THE CONVERSATIONS WITH A NATIVE ISLAND OWNERS, UH, AND PROPERTY OWNERS ALONG THAT ROAD AND, AND SEE WHETHER OR NOT THERE IS SOME WAY OF, UH, NOT MITIGATING CONSEQUENCES, BUT COMING TO A SOLUTION THAT THEY FEEL IS A WIN.

I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT IS.

I I DO THINK YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO ENCROACH ON CHAPLAIN PARK IN, IN ORDER TO SOLVE SOME OF THESE ISSUES.

YOU, YOU, YOU CAN'T DO IT IN THE SPACE THAT YOU HAVE PROVIDED AND ALSO HAVE A LANDSCAPE MEDIUM.

AND, AND I I, MY HEAD'S SPINNING A LITTLE BIT IS THERE'S SOME OVAL IN THE CENTER OF CHAPLAIN PARK, UH, I, AND, UM, UM, OP IN THE ROADWAY THAT ALLOWS NATIVE ISLANDERS TO CIRCLE ABOUT.

AND, AND I JUST, I JUST DO NOT HAVE A SOLUTION TO THE GORDIAN KNOT.

UH, I, I DO WONDER AS A POSSIBILITY WHETHER OR NOT BRICKS BEACH WITH A CIRCLE, AN ON ON TOWN OWNED PROPERTY, NOT TRYING TO DO IT WHERE THAT INTERSECTION IS TODAY.

UM, ANYWAY,

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THANK YOU, MAYOR.

SEAN.

I THINK YOU, YOU'VE KIND OF GOT SOME WORK CUT OUT FOR YOU TO CREATE SOME, UH, CONCEPTUAL IDEAS.

AND IT SOUNDS LIKE WE HAVE SUPPORT FROM COUNCIL TO VA TO CONSIDER TOWN ON PROPERTY AS WE, AS WE BRING THOSE SOLUTIONS FORWARD.

UM, WE CERTAINLY, WE GOT SOME INFORMATION RELATED TO THE SIGNAL AT BURS.

I DUNNO IF THERE'S CONSENSUS.

WE'VE HEARD SOME, UM, BUT PROVIDE MORE INFORMATION RELATED TO TRAFFIC COUNTS, UM, AND THE BENEFITS OF EACH ONE, AND ALSO ANY KIND OF LIMITATIONS FROM A SEPARATION STANDPOINT BETWEEN FOLLY FIELD AND SHELTER COVE.

SO WE CAN CERTAINLY BRING THAT BACK.

LET ME, LET ME THROW SOMETHING OUT THAT I JUST THOUGHT OF.

I'D SAID IT PROBABLY HAS A LOT TO DO WITH WHAT THE NATIVE ISLANDERS AND PROPERTY OWNERS GET IN RETURN.

WE SHIFT THE WHOLE ROAD, 10 FEET, 15 FEET, WHATEVER IT IS, THEY GET THAT PROPERTY IN EXCHANGE FOR CONSOLIDATING, UM, DRIVEWAYS.

SOMETHING THAT GIVES THEM LAND FOR IN, IN A CHANGE FOR WHAT WE ARE LOOKING FOR AS A COMMUNITY.

LET'S GO ONTO THE FUN ONE NOW, , I'M GONNA GIVE, GIVE THE CLICKER TO MY COLLEAGUE OVER HERE.

UH, AND THEN UPGRADE THE INTERSECTION, THAT IS A PROGRAM THEY'VE BEEN GOING THROUGH, I WILL MAKE SURE THIS INTERSECTION GETS LOOKED AT AS A PART OF THAT BECKER.

GIVEN THE SLIP LEAN PIECE, SOME OF US MAY HAVE SAID SOMETHING ABOUT IT, BUT ANYWAY, DIDN'T TALK ABOUT THE SLIP LANE.

LOOK BACK TO, YEAH, THERE YOU GO.

UH, COUNCILMAN, UH, BRYSON HAD SPOKE TO THIS, AND THAT IS THE NOTION, JONATHAN, I'LL LET YOU TAKE IT FROM HERE, BUT ALLOW FOR THAT RIGHT.

TURN MOTION, BUT NOT WITH A CONTINUOUS YEAH.

TO, TO ADDRESS SOME OF THE CONCERNS THAT WERE BROUGHT UP BY COUNCILWOMAN BRYSON RELATIVE TO, UH, HIGH SPEED MANEUVERS, RIGHT? TURNING MOVEMENTS, LEFT, TURNING MOVEMENTS.

ONE OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS, UH, FOR THIS IS TO REMOVE THE, UM, THE CHANNELIZED FREE FLOWING, RIGHT? THAT'S SOMETHING THAT S-C-D-O-T IS DOING THROUGHOUT 2 78, AS WELL AS THROUGHOUT THE STATE.

WE FOUND THAT THOSE LOCATIONS, UM, CREATE MORE HARM THAN GOOD.

A LOT OF PEOPLE SAY YOU NEED THOSE BECAUSE IT ALLOWS TRAFFIC TO MOVE.

UH, IN REALITY, WHAT WE FIND IS THAT IT CREATES MORE BACKUPS AND MORE CONGESTION AND CREATES A MISUNDERSTANDING OF HOW TO, TO NAVIGATE AN INTERSECTION.

SO OUR RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE TO CREATE WHAT WE'RE CALLING, UH, OR WHAT I LIKE TO CALL MORE UNIFORM INTERSECTION GEOMETRY AND LANGUAGE MORE CONSISTENT THROUGHOUT THE ISLAND.

UM, THAT ALSO GOES WITH CROSSWALKS, PAVEMENT MARKINGS, UH, AND THEN HOW THAT INTERSECTION WOULD BE IMPROVED, UM, WOULD BE A LITTLE BIT MORE OF A TIGHTENING OF THE INTERSECTION, BRINGING IT IN FROM A PEDESTRIAN STANDPOINT, AS WELL AS FROM A BICYCLIST STANDPOINT, STILL ALLOWING FOR THE MOVEMENTS THAT ARE NECESSARY, UH, THROUGH THERE.

UH, BUT REALLY CREATING, UH, DESIGNING INTERSECTIONS THAT ACCOMMODATE ALL MOVES INSTEAD OF JUST A SINGULAR, UM, VEHICLE, WHICH IS HOW IT'S DESIGNED TODAY.

OH, AND THE FACT THAT THE SLIP LANE IS A LOCATION OF A BICYCLE FATALITY A FEW YEARS AGO.

CORRECT.

UH, JUST A COUPLE COMMENTS ON THIS, UM, HISTORY LESSON.

THIS IS SIMILAR TO WHAT IT USED TO BE.

YOU'LL SIGN THERE THAT SORT OF STOPPED PEOPLE COMING IN TRAFFIC.

SO I'M IN FAVOR OF THIS, AND I THINK I MENTIONED THIS DURING OUR, UM, ONE-ON-ONE SETTING.

UM, AS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS FOLLY FIELD INTERSECTION, UM, LEFT INTO FOLLY FIELD, THERE'S SIGNIFICANT STACK IN THERE AT THE MOMENT, WHICH CAUSES, UH, OVERFLOW INTO, UH, THE LEFT, UH, THOROUGHFARE LANE.

AND WITH, UH, NEW DEVELOPMENT THAT'S ALREADY BEEN APPROVED, COMING ON TO FOLEY FIELD, I JUST CAN SEE THAT CONTINUING TO BE AN ISSUE.

SO I WOULD JUST SORT OF ASK YOU ALL TO EXPAND YOUR STUDY IN THIS AREA TO TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION AS WELL.

THAT'S, THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THAT UP.

UH, S-C-D-O-T IS GETTING READY TO MOVE INTO THEIR NEXT ROUND OF SAFETY IMPROVEMENTS STATEWIDE.

UH, AS A PART OF THAT PROGRAM, THEY DO LOOK AT INTERSECTIONS WHERE THERE'S A NEED FOR FLASHING YELLOW ARROW.

SO TO GIVE THAT LEFT ARROW IN,

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UH, MOVING ABOUT THE ISLAND.

UM, SO LAST WEEK WE HAD A COMMUNITY MEETING, UM, WITH, FOR THE FOLLY FIELD NEIGHBORHOODS, UM, OR THE NEIGHBORHOODS IN THE FOLLY FIELD AREA.

THIS ENTIRE SETUP IS A POINT OF CONTENTION FOR THE RESIDENTS FROM HOLIDAY HOMES ALL THE WAY DOWN AND AROUND THROUGH ISLAND'S CLUB.

AND, UM, THEY HAVE CONCERNS WITH BACKING UP, UM, TRAFFIC BACKING UP ON FOLLY FIELD ROAD, THE ABILITY TO TURN LEFT, THE ABILITY TO ACTUALLY TURN RIGHT, UM, AND EVERYTHING THAT'S ASSOCIATED WITH TRYING TO GET IN OR OUT OF, UM, OFF OF FOLLY FIELD AND ONTO 2 78.

I KNOW THAT Y'ALL ARE LOOKING AT THAT.

YOU HEARD US TALK ABOUT THAT AND THEIR CONCERNS.

SO, UM, WITH THAT, UM, I WONDER WITH THE REMOVAL, AND I DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE A STRONG POSITION, BUT I DO WONDER WITH THE REMOVAL OF THAT SLIP LANE AND ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC THEN BEING FORCED INTO THE LITTLE BOX, HOW WILL THAT IMPACT THE GOALS THAT WE, UM, ARE TRYING TO SET UP AND FOLLOW THROUGH ON FOR THE FOLLOW FIELD NEIGHBORHOODS? WILL IT CAUSE MORE TIME DELAYS? WILL IT CREATE MORE ISSUES THERE? BECAUSE A GREAT PORTION OF THE TRAFFIC IS NOW GONNA HAVE TO SIT THERE AT THE LIGHT RATHER THAN BEING PUSHED OFF AND ONTO 2 78.

IS THAT A THING? JUST IF SOMEONE CAN HELP ME THINK THAT THROUGH A LITTLE BIT, I'D APPRECIATE IT.

NO, THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION.

UM, WITH, UH, I THINK SOMEONE MENTIONED THIS EARLIER, WITH EVERY ACTION, THERE'S AN EQUAL AND OPPOSITE REACTION.

SO WE'VE TALKED ABOUT SPEEDS ASSOCIATED WITH THIS.

THE RIGHT TURN LANE COMING OFF OF MATTHEWS ACTUALLY CONTRIBUTES TO HIGHER SPEEDS THROUGH THE SEGMENT WE WERE JUST DISCUSSING.

MM-HMM, , MM-HMM, , UH, THE SIGNAL WOULD STILL HAVE THE RIGHT TURN LANE.

SO YOU'RE REALLY NOT LOSING THE EFFICIENCY THAT YOU ARE, YOU'RE ACTUALLY PULSING THE EFFICIENCY OF THE INTERSECTION.

SO THE RIGHT TURN LANE STILL COMES DOWN TO THE INTERSECTION INSTEAD OF FREE FLOWING ONTO THAT.

AND I WOULD ALSO ARGUE THAT THE FREE FLOWING MOVEMENT DOESN'T OPERATE AT THE LEVEL THAT IT, UH, THEORETICALLY PROBABLY WAS MODELED AT, UH, BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT, UH, DRIVER HESITANCY, DO I HAVE SPACE, DO I HAVE TIME, DO I HAVE THE ABILITY TO MERGE OVER IN A TIMELY MANNER? UH, YOU'RE GOING TO THE MODELING THAT I HAVE, UH, LOOKED AT IN VERY SIMILAR SITUATIONS LIKE THIS, YOU SEE A VERY EQUIVALENT, UH, ABILITY TO PROCESS TRAFFIC AT THE SAME LEVEL.

IT'S JUST A DIFFERENT WAY OF DOING IT WITH HOW WE HANDLE IT WITH OUR TRAFFIC VOLUME.

SO I WOULD OFFER TO YOU THAT WE DON'T SEE, UH, A MAJOR IMPACT ASSOCIATED WITH THAT.

IN FACT, CONTROLLING THE MOVEMENT WILL ACTUALLY GIVE US A BETTER FLOW OF EFFICIENCY AT THE INTERSECTION.

I KNOW YOU'RE HESITANT ABOUT THAT, AND I UNDERSTAND WHY.

I'LL TAKE YOUR WORD FOR IT FOR NOW.

I UNDERSTAND WHY.

BUT YEAH, I WOULD LOVE TO SEE THAT BE SOMETHING WE'LL LOOK AT.

SEE, UM, AN UPDATED TRAFFIC COUNT IN THERE, AND THAT ACCOUNTS FOR THE TIMESHARES, UM, ANTICIPATED TIMESHARES THAT AREN'T DOWN THERE ON FOLLY FIELD.

IT'S GONNA BE A MESS, AND IT'S ALREADY A MESS.

SO THERE'S SOME REAL, REAL, UM, CONSIDERATION AND SOLUTIONS THAT HAVE TO BE FOUND.

IF, IF YOU'RE, UM, TELLING ME THAT REMOVING THAT SLIP LANE ISN'T GOING TO MAKE IT WORSE THAN WHAT WE ALREADY HAVE NOW OR EXPECT IT TO BE, THEN I'LL, I WILL, UM, LISTEN TO YOU AND I LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING ALL THOSE STUDIES AS WE MOVE FORWARD.

WE'LL GIVE YOU SOME INFORMATION TO LOOK AT THAT'S GOT SOME STATISTICS AND DATA.

HOW ABOUT THAT? THANK YOU.

ANY OTHER COMMENTS ON THE FLIP LANE? OKAY.

CIRCLE OR FLAGSHIP.

ALL RIGHT.

SO, UM, AS YOU SAID, FLAGSHIP INTERSECTION, UH, I WAS GONNA USE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT, UM, LANGUAGE ASSOCIATED WITH THAT.

BUT JUST TO SORT OF SET THE TONE ASSOCIATED WITH THIS AND, AND, AND REALLY KIND OF, UH, HOW WE APPROACH THIS PROJECT.

UM, WHEN YOU THINK OF HILTON HEAD ISLAND, ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS THAT COMES TO THE MIND IS YOUR TRAFFIC CIRCLES.

THEY ARE ICONIC IN THE DESIGN LANGUAGE AND AS WELL AS HOW PEOPLE VIEW YOUR ISLAND.

SO, UH, SEA PINE CIRCLE, UM, REALLY RESONATES WITH A LOT OF FOLKS, BOTH LOCALLY AS WELL AS ACROSS THE STATE.

AND SO FOR US, IT WAS A VERY, UH, SACRED APPROACH TO LOOKING AT THIS INTERSECTION TO UNDERSTAND THE HISTORY OF IT, BUT ALSO TO LOOK AT WAYS TO IMPROVE THIS INTERSECTION, UH, WITH ALL THE DEMANDS THAT ARE PLACED UPON IT.

UH, YOU HAVE A VERY FINITE ROADWAY SYSTEM HERE.

UH, YOU HAVE A FEW CONNECTIONS, AND BECAUSE OF THAT, PEOPLE HAVE TO TRAVEL THROUGH KEY INTERSECTIONS CONTINUOUSLY, UH, AS THEY'RE,

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AS WE LOOKED AT THIS, UH, I WOULD CHANGE THE, MAYBE CHANGE THIS A LITTLE BIT TO NOT ONLY WHAT HAVE WE HEARD, BUT WHAT HAVE WE SEEN AND OBSERVED.

UM, MUCH OF THE WORK THAT WE HAVE DONE HAS BEEN BASED OFF OF TWO PRIMARY FACTORS, UH, FIELD WORK, AND THEN OF COURSE, THE DATA THAT WE COLLECTED, AND I'LL GET INTO THOSE DETAILS, BUT JUST SOME OBSERVATIONS ASSOCIATED WITH THIS.

UM, YOU COULD SAY THAT THERE'S A MPM AND MIDDAY PEAK HOUR BACKUPS.

I WOULD, UM, EVEN ADD TO THAT TO SAY THAT THERE IS A CONTINUAL LEVEL OF HEIGHTENED CONGESTION THROUGHOUT, UM, THE DAY AT THIS INTERSECTION.

AND IT STARTS IN THE MORNING, AND THEN IT TRAVELS THROUGH, UM, THROUGH THE END OF THE DAY.

AND I'LL GET INTO THE DETAILS OF WHY THAT IS HERE IN JUST A BIT.

UM, IT IS AN AREA THAT HAS A HIGHER LEVEL OF CRASHES ASSOCIATED WITH IT.

UH, INTERESTINGLY ENOUGH, AND YOU'LL SEE THIS IN JUST A FEW MINUTES, IT'S NOT NECESSARILY, UH, INTERNAL TO THE CIRCLE.

IT'S ACTUALLY APPROACHING THE CIRCLE, AND THERE'S REASONS FOR THAT, AND WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT.

UM, THIS IS A, UH, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT FROM A GEOMETRIC STANDPOINT, IS THERE'S AN ASYMMETRIC ALIGNMENT OF THE APPROACHES, UM, WITH GREENWOOD AND WILLIAM HILTON.

UM, THE SIGNAL, OR EXCUSE ME, THE CIRCLE IS LAID OUT, UH, GEOMETRICALLY, BUT IT'S NOT EQUALLY LAID OUT FROM A CENTER TO CENTER.

YOU'LL NOTICE THAT IT ACTUALLY SITS A BIT HIGHER WHERE WILLIAM HILTON COMES IN, WHICH BRINGS IT CLOSER TO PALMETTO BAY, CAUSING A FURTHER SEPARATION FROM POPE.

AND THAT HAS SOME, SOME THINGS THAT ARE CONTRIBUTING TO THAT.

THERE ARE A LOT OF CONFLICT POINTS APPROACHING, UH, THIS INTERSECTION, UH, PARTICULARLY ON PALMETTO BAY ROAD AS YOU'RE COMING DOWN, DUNNE GONS ALLEY, WHERE, UH, ARROW COMES IN, OR EXCUSE ME, TARGET.

UH, THOSE INTERSECTIONS DO CONTRIBUTE TO SOME OF THE CONGESTION, UH, ESPECIALLY ON THAT NORTHERN LEG AND AS WELL AS GREENWOOD.

I WOULD ADD TO THAT, WHICH YOU CURRENTLY DO NOT CONTROL.

UH, AND THERE IS A VARIETY OF DIFFERENT SIGNAGE PATTERNS ON THIS.

YOU CONTROL THREE OF THE LEGS, AND WHEN I SAY YOU, I MEAN THE TOWN AND S-C-D-O-T GREENWOOD IS PRIVATELY OWNED, AND THERE ARE SOME, UH, CONCERNS WITH SOME OF THE SIGNS.

UM, AT THIS POINT, UH, THERE ARE SOME REAL CONCERNS WITH PEDESTRIAN AND BICYCLE SAFETY.

IF YOU DO TRY TO NAVIGATE THIS CIRCLE, WHICH, UH, THERE IS NOT A LOT OF FOLKS WHO DO, BUT WHEN THEY DO, IT IS A PROBLEM.

AS I MENTIONED, THIS IS AN ICONIC INTERSECTION.

UM, I'LL SAVE YOU THE DETAILS, BUT YOU CAN SEE HOW THE CIRCLE HAS CHANGED ON THE RIGHT OF THE, OF THE GRAPHIC THERE FROM 94 TO 2005, AND THEN WHERE WE CURRENTLY ARE JUST FROM THE MYRIAD OF CONFIGURATIONS, AND THAT'S DUE TO SOME OF THE GEOMETRIC CHANGES ELSEWHERE, ONLY ISLAND.

UH, SO AS WE APPROACHED THIS, THERE WERE FOUR KEY ELEMENTS OF OUR STUDY, THE GEOMETRIC ASSESSMENT, UH, THE OPERATIONAL ASSESSMENT, OUR ALTERNATIVES, ANALYSIS AND RECOMMENDATIONS.

I'M NOT GONNA GET INTO ALL OF THE DETAILS OF THE GEOMETRICS, UH, JUST FOR TIME'S SAKE, BUT WHAT I DO WANNA TALK ABOUT IS SOME OF THE DATA THAT WE COLLECTED AND WHAT WE FOUND IN THE BACKGROUND.

I MENTIONED THAT THERE IS A HIGHER LEVEL OF CRASHES.

UH, IF YOU, IF YOU WILL RECALL, THE LOWCOUNTRY COG DID A, UH, SAFE STREETS FOR ALL, UM, STUDY OF THE ENTIRE REGION.

UM, THIS INTERSECTION WAS NOT ONE OF THE HIGHEST LOCATIONS FOR CRASHES IN THIS AREA.

UH, THERE ARE OTHER AREAS, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THOSE TODAY.

UH, BUT WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT IS KIND OF THE CLUSTERING OF TRAFFIC CRASHES THAT WE SEE.

AND THE YELLOW AREAS ARE AREAS THAT TO ME, IS MORE OF A CONCERN.

AND YOU, AS I IDENTIFY THIS, YOU WILL KNOW WHY IT IS HAPPENING.

UH, AS YOU'RE APPROACHING FROM ANY OF THOSE DIRECTIONS, BE IT PALMETTO POPE OR WILLIAM HILTON.

UH, WHAT HAPPENS AS YOU'RE APPROACHING THAT, OR IF YOU'RE UNFAMILIAR WITH THAT, YOU'RE IN THE LEFT LANE, YOU COME UP AND THEN YOU REALIZE, UH, OR YOU'RE IN THE RIGHT LANE.

AS YOU'RE APPROACHING THAT AND YOU REALIZE, I DO NOT WANT TO GO TO GREENWOOD.

I DO NOT WANT TO GO TO ANOTHER ONE.

SO WHAT DO I DO? I IMMEDIATELY START TO MERGE OVER.

I DON'T PAY ATTENTION.

I SIDESWIPE SOMEBODY, OR I REAR END SOMEONE.

THAT'S THE YELLOW CLUSTERING OF, OF CRASHES THAT YOU ARE SEEING.

UH, INTERESTINGLY ENOUGH, WHEN WE EVALUATE ROUNDABOUTS, UH, AND OR TRAFFIC CIRCLES IN THIS CASE, OFTENTIMES WE FIND A HIGH CONGESTION LEVEL OR CRASH LEVEL AT OUR POINT OF, UH, YIELD.

WE DID NOT SEE THAT HERE.

THESE ARE LOWER NUMBERS THAN WHAT WE TRADITIONALLY WOULD SEE, ESPECIALLY FOR A CIRCLE OF THIS SIZE, WHICH IS A GOOD THING.

UH, IT MEANS THAT A COUPLE THINGS, YOUR DRIVERS UNDERSTAND HOW THIS CIRCLE DOES WORK.

UM, THE UNFAMILIARITY IS NOT AS LARGE AS WHAT WE MAY HAVE THOUGHT, UH, BUT THERE ARE STILL ARE SOME PATTERNS AND SOME, SOME THINGS THAT WE DO NEED TO ADDRESS.

UH, WE COLLECTED A LOT OF DATA HERE.

SO WE'RE GONNA START WITH SC DOT'S, HISTORICAL DATA.

AND I, I SAY THIS BECAUSE I WANT YOU TO UNDERSTAND WHERE THE DATA'S COMING FROM AND HOW WE'RE DRAWING SOME OF THE CONCLUSIONS, BECAUSE IT'S IMPORTANT TO, UH, ASSESS THE ALTERNATIVES THAT WE ARE RECOMMENDING WITH THIS.

AND SO YOU CAN SEE FROM THE FOUR DIFFERENT, UH, KIND OF VIGNETTES UP THERE.

WE'VE LOOKED AT EACH OF THE DIFFERENT, UM, AREAS COMING INTO THIS.

SO WE'VE GOT WILLIAM HILTON

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PARKWAY, WEST OF THE CROSSTOWN PARKWAY.

WE'VE GOT CROSS ISLAND PARKWAY, WE HAVE POPE AVENUE, WE HAVE WILLIAM HILTON PARKWAY.

IN EACH OF THOSE, YOU CAN SEE THERE'S A SIGNIFICANT DIP AROUND 2020 WHERE VOLUMES DO DECREASE.

IN SOME LOCATIONS, WE DON'T SEE THE RETURN, BUT BY AND LARGE, OTHER THAN THE CROSS ISLAND, UM, WE SEE A RELATIVELY FLAT LEVEL OF TRAFFIC.

SO WE ARE HITTING A POINT OF WHAT I LIKE TO CALL SATURATION INTO THAT POINT WHERE THE ROADWAYS ARE KIND OF AT THEIR POINT OF CAPACITY SATURATION.

AND SO WE'RE NOT SEEING AN INCREASE.

WE'RE JUST SEEING A, A SORT OF A CONTINUATION OF THOSE VOLUMES, MAYBE NOMINAL SOME ADJUSTMENTS ASSOCIATED WITH THAT.

LOOK AT SOME TURNING MOVEMENT COUNTS, THOUGH, THAT FLIP THROUGH THIS.

AND THIS GOES FROM 2002 UP TO 2004.

AND WHAT YOU SEE THERE ARE YOUR AM YOUR MIDDAY AND YOUR PM PEAK HOURS.

UH, YOU CAN SEE THE AM M PEAK HOUR IS THE LOWEST.

UH, IT'S HELD A RELATIVELY CONSISTENT PATTERN, REALLY, FROM 2005 OUT TO 2004, VARYING FROM 3,200 VEHICLES PER DAY.

THERE IS A SLIGHT DIP THAT COMES IN, IN 2010 HAPPENED AROUND THAT TIME WE HAD THE RECESSION, SO WE HAD A PULLBACK ON TRAVEL.

UH, SAME THING HAPPENS FOR YOUR AM AND YOUR MIDDAY.

SLIGHTLY HIGHER VOLUMES THOUGH, FOR THOSE PERIODS.

AND THAT IS FOR YOUR PIT, FOR YOUR, UH, YOUR PM AND YOUR MIDDAY.

THAT IS NOT, UM, THAT IS NOT UNUSUAL AT ALL.

USUALLY THOSE ARE THE TWO HIGHEST PEAKS THAT WE DO SEE.

AGAIN, THOUGH, WE'RE SEEING A RELATIVELY CONSISTENT NUMBER WHEN WE LOOK AT SOME ADDITIONAL DATA THAT THE TOWN PROVIDED.

AGAIN, YOU CAN SEE EACH OF THOSE APPROACH ROADS, UH, THE PALMETTO BAY, POPE, WILLIAM HILTON, AND GREENWOOD DRIVE.

WE SEE, AGAIN, THAT MIDDAY AM AND P AND PEAK HOUR CONSISTENT ACROSS THE BOARD.

SOME VARIATION OF VOLUMES THROUGH THERE, BUT BY AND LARGE, PRETTY CONSISTENT GOING ALL THE WAY BACK FROM 2002 TO 2024.

SO WE'RE SEEING A, A PRETTY STEADY LEVEL OF TRAFFIC THROUGH HERE.

DOESN'T MEAN THERE'S NOT CHANGES IN THE PEAKS, BUT IT DOES MEAN THAT, UH, THERE IS SOME VOLUME THERE.

WHAT DOES THIS MEAN? WELL, SO WE LOOKED AT THIS, UH, WE, WE COLLECTED THAT DATA.

WE ALSO COLLECTED INFORMATION RELATIVE TO THE ATTORNEY MOVEMENT COUNTS, AND I CAN CERTAINLY GET INTO THOSE DETAILS, BUT I FELT THIS WAS A LITTLE BIT BETTER WAY TO DESCRIBE THAT THAN JUST SHOWING YOU NUMBERS ON A PAGE.

AND SO WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT HERE, UH, IS REALLY THE CULMINATION OF THE MOVEMENTS AT THE INTERSECTION SO YOU CAN UNDERSTAND HOW LARGE THEY ARE, RIGHT? WHICH MOVEMENTS HAVE THE HIGHER VOLUME.

AND, AND IN PARTICULAR, I'D LIKE TO POINT OUT THIS MOVEMENT COMING OFF OF PALMETTO BAY ROAD, ONTO SEA PINES.

THAT RIGHT TURN, BE IT THE AM TO MIDDAY OR THE PMP TOWER IS PRETTY LARGE.

IT VARIES BETWEEN 16 TO 13%, UM, THROUGHOUT THE DAY.

TO PUT THAT IN PERSPECTIVE, THE THROUGH MOVEMENT ON WILLIAM HILTON PARKWAY IS 13%.

AND THE THROUGH MOVEMENT COMING UP, POPE AVENUE IS 15%.

IT IS ONE OF THE LARGEST MOVEMENTS.

SO THE SEA, THE MOVEMENT FROM THE CROSS TOWN INTO SEA PINES, AND THEN THAT SOMEWHAT RESPECTIVE MOVEMENT BACK UP IS A HEAVY MOVEMENT.

WE DO THIS TO UNDERSTAND WHAT ARE THE KEY MOVEMENTS AT THE INTERSECTION THAT WE NEED TO ACCOMMODATE.

AS WE GOT INTO THIS INFORMATION OR STARTED THIS PROCESS, A LOT OF FOLKS WERE TELLING US IT'S THE THROUGH MOVEMENT.

IT'S THE POPE, THE PALMETTO MOVEMENT.

UM, OTHERS WERE SAYING IT'S SEA PINE.

OTHERS WERE SAYING IT'S PEOPLE COMING DOWN, WILLIAM HILTON, GOING DOWN POPE AVENUE.

WHAT THIS REALLY TELLS YOU IS THAT HEAVIEST MOVEMENT BY FAR IS THE MOVEMENT COMING DOWN PALMETTO BAY ROAD, COUPLED WITH YOUR RIGHT TURNING MOVEMENT.

YOU MAY HAVE ALREADY KNOWN THAT, BUT THIS REALLY CONFIRMS THAT WITH THE VOLUMES THAT WERE COUNTED ASSOCIATED WITH THIS.

SO WHAT DOES THIS TELL US? IT TELLS US THAT IN THE A MP HOUR, WE GOT 2,900 MOVEMENTS IN THE PEAK HOUR, TOTAL VOLUME MOVING THROUGH THERE, THAT INCREASES TO 3,500, AND THEN BY THE P AND PEAK HOUR, WE'RE AT 3,600.

SO WE'RE SEEING A STEADY INCREASE OF TRAFFIC THROUGHOUT THE DAY.

THAT ALSO OVERLAPS.

WHEN YOU HAVE A, UH, OFF PEAK DAY, LIKE A SATURDAY OR A SUNDAY, YOU'RE GONNA SEE A VERY SIMILAR PATTERN.

AND WE ALSO COUNTED SATURDAYS AND SUNDAYS AS WELL.

QUICK QUESTION.

ARE THESE HIGH PEAK NUMBERS FROM JULY COUNTS, OR THIS WAS COUNTED NOW? THIS WAS COUNTED IN, UM, THIS WOULD'VE BEEN COUNTED IN MAY, APRIL, MAY OF THIS YEAR, WHICH WAS A SUNNY DAY, WARM WEATHER, BUT NOT A PEAK.

UH, WE WANTED TO SEE WHAT WAS, UH, AN AVERAGE DAY.

AND THAT'S TYPICALLY HOW, UH, S-C-D-O-T LIKES TO LOOK AT THAT.

WHAT IS YOUR AVERAGE DAY? WE KNOW THERE'S GONNA BE PEAKS PRIOR TO THIS CIRCLE CLOSED DOWN, RIGHT? CONGESTED UP.

SO WE, WE KNOW THOSE DO HAPPEN.

SO THIS GIVES US A GOOD UNDERSTANDING OF WHERE WE NEED TO GO AND WHERE WE WOULD FOR A NORMAL OPERATION.

UM, THIS IS VERY HARD TO SEE, BUT IN YOUR, YOUR GRAPHIC, WHICH YOU CAN SEE, UH, IS SOME

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OF THE DETAILS ASSOCIATED WITH THIS, THIS IS PART OF OUR CALIBRATION FOR THE MODEL THAT I'M GONNA GET INTO HERE IN JUST A SECOND.

UM, THIS REALLY JUST SHOWS WHERE WE SAW CUES BACKING UP.

UH, SO FROM THAT STANDPOINT, YOU CAN SEE THE MIDDAY, AND THEN YOU CAN SEE WHAT WE'RE SHOWING AS AN AVERAGE QUEUE AND A MAXIMUM QUEUE.

UM, THAT'S USED FOR US AS WE START TO INPUT THIS DATA INTO OUR ANALYSIS SOFTWARE TELLS US REALLY HOW, UH, TO, TO CALIBRATE SOME OF THE QUEUES THAT'LL COME OUT OF THAT.

YOU CAN SEE, NOT SURPRISING, UH, THIS REALLY BACKS UP TO THE FEEDER ROADS THAT ARE TYING INTO THE CIRCLE, YOUR OFFICE PARK, DRIVE, UM, YOU KNOW, YOUR TARGET ROAD, ARROW ROAD, UH, NEW ORLEANS.

YOU'RE STARTING TO SEE THOSE BACK UP THERE.

AND I'LL, I'LL GET INTO WHY WE SEE THAT, BUT THAT'S REALLY WHAT YOU'RE SEEING.

THOSE ARE HELPING TO THROTTLE THIS, BUT THEY'RE ALSO ACTING AS A DIVERSION POINT, KIND OF CIRCLING, CIRCULATING AROUND THIS.

SO I, I'VE REALLY KIND OF COVERED A LOT OF, UH, WHAT WE HAVE FOUND HERE.

UM, YOU, YOU CAN READ THIS, UM, THE ONE THAT I WILL GET DOWN TO IS, UH, WE DO, WE DID WATCH A LOT OF DRIVERS ATTEMPTING TO Q JUMP, UH, BY USING THE RIGHT TURN LANE, RIGHT? SO THEY FLY UP IN THE RIGHT TURN LANE, AND THEN THEY MERGE OVER.

IF THEY GET A GAP, UM, THEY'RE ALSO USING THAT NEW ORLEANS ARROW OFFICE PARK TO CIRCULATE.

BUT THAT'S NOT A BAD THING, BUT THEY'RE DOING THAT.

THEY'RE ALSO YOU CHOOSING TO COME OUTTA GREENWOOD TURN, RIGHT, COME DOWN AND U-TURN, UH, AT NEW ORLEANS AND TRY TO JUMP BACK IN THERE.

THAT'S NOT THE MOST EFFICIENT WAY.

UH, WE TESTED ALL OF THOSE, JUST SO WE HAD AN AVERAGE TRAVEL TIME RUN, SO WE COULD LOOK AT THOSE THINGS.

UH, UNIFORMITY OF GUIDE SIGNAGES IS A CONCERN AS WELL.

UH, AND ESSENTIALLY THERE IS MORE DEMAND IN SOME CASES THAN WHAT CAN BE PROCESSED IN A 60 MINUTE PERIOD.

YOU REMEMBER ME TALKING ABOUT HOW THE ACCESS OF THE ROUNDABOUT WAS SHIFTED TO THE NORTH, RIGHT? SO ONE THING THAT WE DID NOTICE, UH, IN THAT, AND I'M GONNA JUMP TO THIS NEXT SLIDE SO THAT I CAN POINT THIS OUT.

IF I'M SITTING HERE AND I AM AT, UM, POPE AVENUE, AND I'M LOOKING TO TURN, AS I LOOK BACK ACROSS, IT IS HARD FOR ME TO GAUGE THE GAP IN TIME THAT I'VE GOT TO TURN COMING OUTTA HERE.

NOW THAT DISTANCE IS ACTUALLY A LITTLE BIT LONGER.

SO IT DOES GIVE ME A SLIGHT ADVANTAGE BECAUSE I'VE GOT MORE TIME TO PROCESS THAT.

IF YOU'LL NOTICE HERE, IF I'M COMING OFF GREENWOOD, LOOK HOW CLOSE I AM UP HERE TO POPE.

THAT'S ONE OF THE BIGGEST REASONS YOU SEE THE BACKUPS ON GREENWOOD, IS BECAUSE OF THAT GEOMETRY, HOW CLOSE THAT HAS MOVED UP TO THAT YIELD POINT.

THERE'S NOT ENOUGH TIME THERE.

SO THE, THE CIRCLE HAS CAPACITY.

THE GEOMETRY IS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT'S CONTROLLING IT AND THROTTLING THE ABILITY FOR PEOPLE.

THERE'S JUST NOT ENOUGH REACTION TIME.

AND WE SAW THAT NUMEROUS OBSERVATIONS AND, AND WATCHING THIS TRAFFIC OPERATE.

THOSE WILL BEGIN TO LOOK AT THIS.

UH, WE, WE, I WILL SPARE THE DETAILS OF GETTING INTO, UH, HOW WE, UH, ANALYZE THIS.

UH, WE DID PULL TOGETHER, UH, SOME GUIDANCE FROM THE UK.

UH, THE UNITED KINGDOM IS, IS REALLY, UH, AT THE FOREFRONT OF HOW YOU EVALUATE EXISTING ROUNDABOUTS, UH, FROM A SAFETY PERSPECTIVE.

SO WE'RE CONTINUALLY LEARNING FROM THEM.

WE ARE DECADES INTO IT.

THEY ARE, IN SOME CASES A CENTURY INTO THIS, UH, SHORT TERM.

UH, WHAT ARE THE THINGS THAT ARE HAPPENING TODAY, UH, THAT WE CAN IMPROVE THE OPERATIONS TO THAT, AND HOW, AND HOW DO WE BUILD A FOUNDATION FOR A BETTER CIRCLE, ESSENTIALLY? AND SO SOME OF THESE THINGS I THINK ARE REALLY IMPORTANT FOR US.

ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE STARTING TO SEE, AND WE ARE CURRENTLY WORKING WITH FEDERAL HIGHWAY ADMINISTRATION TO WRITE GUIDANCE ON HOW TO IMPROVE MULTI-LANE ROUNDABOUTS.

ONE OF THE THINGS THAT IS COMING OUT OF THAT IS IMPLEMENTATION OF SPEED TABLES.

AND YOU'RE PROBABLY THINKING, WHY DO WE WANT TO DO THAT? WELL, UH, IT'S ACTUALLY, THERE'S A TWOFOLD REASON.

ONE, IT REALLY HELPS TO PULSE TRAFFIC.

UH, IF YOU ARE, AND WE'RE ALL GUILTY OF THIS, IF YOU'RE APPROACHING A ROUNDABOUT AND I CAN LOOK AND I CAN SEE WHAT AM I GONNA DO? I'M JUST GONNA NOT YIELD, AND I'M GONNA PULSE RIGHT THROUGH THERE AND KEEP MOVING REALLY QUICKLY, THAT CAN UPSET AND DISRUPT THE OPERATIONS OF THE OTHER MOVEMENTS, HELPS TO SLOW THAT DOWN.

AND IF WE WERE TO EVER ALLOW PEDESTRIANS TO CIRCULATE AROUND THE CIRCLE, UH, IT ACTUALLY GIVES THEM A RACE PLATFORM SO THEY'RE HIGHER THAN THE VEHICLES TO BE SEEN.

SO THAT'S REALLY A TWOFOLD REASON FOR THAT.

AND THEN CHANGING SOMEWHAT OF THE ROADWAY SURFACE, UH, YOU KNOW, APPLYING TEXTURES, WHETHER YOU WANNA CALL IT RUMBLE STRIPS OR OTHER PATTERNS ASSOCIATED WITH THAT TO, UH, WE'VE TALKED A LOT ABOUT THAT, ABOUT IDENTIFYING THE CHARACTER OF THE AREA, RIGHT? TELL PEOPLE YOU'RE ENTERING SOMEWHERE SPECIAL, SOMEWHERE DIFFERENT.

YOU NEED TO DRIVE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENTLY THAN YOU DO MAYBE ON SOME OF OUR OTHER ROADS.

SO CREATING THAT CHANGE IN MINDSET IS GONNA BE IMPORTANT.

AND THEN LOOKING AT METERING.

UH, HOW DO WE DO THAT WITH THE ACCESS TO THE CIRCLE? WE COULD DO THAT WITH SPEED TABLES, BUT YOU ALSO CAN USE YOUR TRAFFIC SIGNALS, UH, TO DO THAT.

AND THAT IS SOMETHING THAT, UM, WOULD BE IMPORTANT FOR US TO DO.

YOU DESCRIBE SPEED TABLE? ABSOLUTELY.

THINK ABOUT A, UH, A TRAPEZOID,

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A RAISED PLATFORM THAT WE COME UP AND WE COME OVER, NOT A SPEED HUMP, BUT A A RAISED IT'S, IT'S LONGER, IT'S ELONGATED.

UH, IT'S AT A STILL SLOWER SPEED TO TRAVERSE OVER THAT.

UH, BUT IT'S NOT SUCH AN ABRUPT TRANSITION THAT YOU HAVE THE, YOU KNOW, THE HIT LIKE YOU DO WITH THE SPEED BUMP.

UH, AND THAT DOES A COUPLE THINGS THAT IT, UH, HELPS TO CONTROL SPEEDS AS YOU'RE APPROACHING TO THAT BECAUSE YOU HAVE A VERTICAL PROFILE CHANGE.

UH, AND A LOT OF TIMES YOU'LL ALSO HAVE A HORIZONTAL PROFILE CHANGE, WHICH WILL CONTRACT THAT AREA THAT YOU'RE CROSSING.

UH, AGAIN, UH, BRIAN MENTIONED FRICTION.

FRICTION IS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT HELPS TO CREATE ACTUALLY, A BETTER FLOW.

IT CREATES MORE UNIFORM FLOW BECAUSE WE BRING IT ALL TOGETHER.

SO AS WE THINK ABOUT THIS, THERE'S SOME, UH, SOME OTHER VEHICULAR IMPROVEMENTS THAT I THINK ARE IMPORTANT.

UH, REALLY JUST GETTING TO INTO SOME PAVEMENT MARKINGS, UH, THAT POINT OF THE RIGHT TURN LANE AND THE THROUGH AND LEFT TURN LANE AS YOU'RE APPROACHING FROM ANY OF THESE, UH, APPROACHES, UH, EXTENDING WHAT WE WOULD, UM, HAVE, WHICH IS A WIDER WHITE LINE, BRING THAT BACK, FURTHER START TO PUT THAT IN.

UH, IT GIVES THE OPPORTUNITY FROM AN ENFORCEMENT STANDPOINT, BUT IT ALSO STARTS TO DELINEATE WHAT YOU'RE DOING, SUPPLEMENTING THAT WITH SOME ONLY LINE, UH, MARKINGS, UH, AND LETTERING ASSOCIATED WITH THAT, WITH YOUR MARKERS.

UH, CREATING THAT IN A MORE, UH, UNIFORM PATTERN AS YOU'RE APPROACHING THAT, SOME OF THOSE BEGINNING TO FADE.

UM, THERE IS AN INCONSISTENCY OF SOME OF THE, UM, OF THE, UM, LANE MARKINGS.

UH, WE WOULD RECOMMEND MOVING INTO WHAT'S CALLED THE CURVE STEM, WHICH YOU SEE ON MORE ROUNDABOUTS.

YOU CAN SEE AN EXAMPLE UP THERE ON THE GRAPHIC.

UH, AND THEN YOU, YOU HAVE MEDIANS ALREADY ON POPE.

YOU HAVE PORTIONS OF MEDIANS ON, UH, WILLIAM HILTON AND GREENWOOD.

UM, YOU DO NOT HAVE THAT ON PALMETTO BAY.

I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO ACT ACCORDINGLY AND PULL THOSE MEDIANS BACK AS YOU'RE APPROACHING THE CIRCLE.

IT HELPS TO CREATE A MORE LAMINAR FLOW GOING IN THERE.

IT ALSO SETS A CHARACTER AREA OF WHAT YOU'RE DOING FOR THIS, UH, FOR THAT.

AND IT HELPS TO AVOID, UH, SOME OF THE OTHER, UM, UH, HIGHER SPEED MOVEMENTS THAT CAN OCCUR.

AND THE LACK OF THAT, IT JUST BRINGS A CONSISTENCY.

AGAIN, THAT UNIFORM LANGUAGE IS REALLY IMPORTANT AS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HOW WE'RE, UH, DOING THIS.

AND THEN LOOKING AT THE SIGNALS, UH, THAT YOU'VE ALREADY GOT THERE AT OFFICE PARK, AT TARGET, UM, AND AT ARROW, AND UTILIZING THE TIMINGS TO BEGIN TO PULSE TRAFFIC DURING THOSE PEAK PERIODS.

IF YOU CAN GIVE THE BRAKES TO GREENWOOD, UH, THAT WILL HELP TRAFFIC CIRCULATE, WELL, THAT IS REALLY YOUR WEAK LEG BECAUSE IT HAS SUCH A HIGH VOLUME THERE, IT JUST CANNOT MAKE THOSE TURNS.

AND SO THAT WOULD BE SOME VERY SIMPLE AND COST-EFFECTIVE SOLUTIONS THAT WOULD, WOULD BRING SOME OPERATIONAL PERFORMANCE TO THE CIRCLE WITHOUT GETTING INTO THE LARGER IMPACTS ASSOCIATED WITH THAT.

AND THEN LASTLY, UM, S-C-D-O-T-F-H-W-A.

YOU TALK TO ANY OF YOUR DOTS.

UM, SIGNAGE IS GREAT, BUT TO, UH, COUNCILWOMAN BECKER'S POINT EARLIER, VISUAL CLUTTER ASSOCIATED WITH SIGNING, YOU LOSE THE IMPORTANCE AND THE EFFICIENCY OF THAT SIGNAGE.

SO COUPLE THAT SIGNAGE WITH YOUR PAVEMENT MARKINGS.

I LOVE THE US, UH, 2 78 SHIELDS IN THE PAVEMENT.

WE'RE STARTING TO SEE THAT AT MORE AND MORE INTERCHANGES THROUGHOUT FCDA THROUGHOUT SOUTH CAROLINA AND OTHER PLACES.

IT HELPS DRIVERS TO UNDERSTAND I'M IN THE RIGHT PLACE.

UM, THAT IS ONE OF THE SIDE NOTE, THAT'S ONE OF THE BIGGEST COMPLAINTS MY WIFE GIVES ME GRIEF OVER AS SHE APPROACHES AN INTERCHANGE.

SHE'S LIKE, I NEVER KNOW WHAT LANE TO BE IN AND HAVE THE SHIELDS.

YOU ACTUALLY GET BETTER COMPLIANCE.

AND SO THERE'S, THAT IS A VERY CHEAP APPLICATION TO HELP IMPROVE OPERATIONS THERE.

THE LONG TERM, UM, AS I MENTIONED, THIS IS A, A FROM A ROADWAY STANDPOINT, IT'S A ICONIC PIECE OF INFRASTRUCTURE.

UM, AND SO AS, UH, AS THE POPULARITY OF HILTON HEAD CONTINUES TO GROW, AND WE DO HAVE TRAFFIC VOLUMES THAT I THINK YOU'RE GONNA SEE A, A MODERATE RISE IN, UH, WHAT ARE THE THINGS THAT WE NEED TO LOOK AT? AND THEN WHAT HAPPENS? ARE THOSE TRADE OFFS ASSOCIATED WITH THIS? IF WE IMPACT THE CIRCLE SIZE, UH, IF WE CHANGE THE NUMBER OF LANES, IF WE CHANGE THE ACCESS, WHAT HAPPENS TO THAT? AND THEN REALLY, WHAT ARE THOSE IMPACTS? RIGHT? THERE IS NOT, UH, THERE ARE IMPROVEMENTS THAT CAN HAPPEN, BUT IT, IT MAY HAVE AN UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCE.

AND SO WE NEED TO THINK THROUGH THOSE THINGS.

I WILL SAY YOU HAVE ONE OF THE LARGEST TRAFFIC CIRCLES THAT WE'VE WORKED ON IN THE UNITED STATES.

IT IS LARGE.

UH, IT IS OVERSIZED FOR WHAT IT NEEDS TO BE.

THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT IT'S BAD, IT JUST MEANS THAT SOME OF THE TREATMENTS ARE DIFFERENT THAN SAY HOW WE WOULD DESIGN THIS TODAY.

AND SO BECAUSE OF THAT, THERE'S SOME EFFICIENCY TRADE-OFFS YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT.

UM, YOU CAN SEE ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE OF THE PAGE, WE HAVE LOOKED AT A VARIETY OF DIFFERENT OPTIONS, UM, STARTING WITH JUST COMING IN AND SAY, LET'S MAKE A TWO BY TWO, UH, NOT CHANGE THE GEOMETRY.

LET'S JUST OPEN THAT BACK UP, PULL THE WARNING TRACK IN A LITTLE BIT.

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WHAT HAPPENS, TAKE OUT THE BYPASS LANES, REALLY MAINTAIN THE CURRENT SIZE AS IS VERY MINOR IMPROVEMENTS.

UM, THEN WE LOOKED AT, UH, AND THAT WAS REALLY JUST FOR THE MAIN LINE.

THAT WAS NOT GREENWOOD, THAT WAS NOT WILLIAM HILTON PARKWAY.

THAT WAS JUST POPE AND PALMETTO.

THEN WE SAID, WELL, IF WE'RE GONNA DO THAT, THEN WE ALSO NEED TO COMPARE IT TO, UM, WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF WE ADDED POPE, AND EXCUSE ME, IF WE ADDED GREENWOOD AND WILLIAM HILTON TO THAT.

UM, AND THEN THERE WAS ANOTHER ONE WHERE WE LOOKED AT CREATING, UH, WHAT I WOULD CALL DUAL LANE, UH, WITH DIRECTED RIGHTS.

THAT'S BASICALLY PUTTING YOUR BYPASS LANES ON SOME UNIQUE MOVEMENTS, AND THEN A DELINEATED ROUNDABOUT, WHICH REALLY ADDS, UH, DELINEATIONS TO HELP PROVIDE SOME SEPARATION BETWEEN MOVEMENTS.

SO IT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE, UH, OPERATIONALLY EFFICIENT.

SOME OTHER THINGS WE CONSIDERED.

AND THE ONLY REASON WE CONSIDERED THOSE IS BECAUSE IT GIVES YOU A, A VALUE POINT TO UNDERSTAND THAT.

WE DID LOOK AT REMOVING THE ROUNDABOUT, PUTTING A TRAFFIC SIGNAL IN.

UH, WE ALSO CREATED WHAT WAS KNOWN AS A SEPARATED ROUNDABOUT, UM, WHICH WOULD HAVE PULLED PALMETTO AND POPE UP OVER THROUGH THE CIRCLE.

SO BRIDGING THAT OVER TO KEEP IT MOVING, KEEPING THE CIRCLE CIRCULATE UNDERNEATH IT.

UH, AND THEN COMPLETING THE QUADRANT, UH, WHICH I'LL GET INTO EACH OF THOSE HERE AS WE GO.

UM, WE LOOKED WAY OUT INTO THE FUTURE.

UH, WE LOOKED AT 2039.

UH, THAT IS A LONG TIME.

UH, THAT IS THE GUIDANCE THAT, UM, WE WANTED TO LOOK AT, UH, BASED ON SOME CONVERSATIONS INITIALLY WITH S-C-D-O-T.

UH, THIS IS THE FIRST OPERATIONAL ONE, AND IT BASICALLY GIVES YOU THE FULL MOVEMENTS, UM, JUST ON POPE AND PALMETTO.

SO NORTH SOUTH ASSOCIATED WITH THAT.

IT REALLY DOES NOT GIVE YOU ANY SORT OF OPERATIONAL BENEFIT.

UM, IT STAYS AT A LEVEL SERVICE E.

SO LEVEL SERVICE F THE TRADE-OFFS FOR YOUR THROUGH MOVEMENTS, WHICH YOU CAN SEE THERE ON, UH, YOUR NORTHBOUND AND YOUR SOUTHBOUND MOVEMENTS.

UH, THEY DON'T TRANSLATE THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRETY.

WE STILL SEE THAT SOUTHBOUND LEG HAVE SOME CONGESTION BECAUSE OF SOME OF THE ADDITIONAL VOLUME GOING THROUGH THERE.

IT'S REALLY A NON-STARTER.

I WOULD NOT EVEN ENTERTAIN THIS.

UM, THEN WE LOOKED AT PULLING OFF THE ALTERNATIVE ONE B, WHICH WOULD TAKE THE HEAVY RIGHT TURN MOVEMENT, BYPASS THAT ONTO GREENWOOD.

YOU DO SEE SOME OPERATIONAL BENEFITS ASSOCIATED WITH THIS, BUT YOU ALSO START TO SEE THE MULTI LANEING OF THIS.

SO WE GET LEVEL SERVICE A LEVEL SERVICE B, AND LEVEL SERVICE C.

WE STILL HAVE SOME DEGRADATION THOUGH, UH, LEVEL SERVICE E OR OUR WESTBOUND, UH, WHICH IS A D.

AND THEN IN OUR NORTHBOUND, WHICH IS A LEVEL SERVICE E IN OUR HEAVIEST, HEAVIEST LEG OR PEAK HOUR, WHICH IS THE P AND P HOUR.

I KNOW THIS IS A LOT TO PROCESS, UH, A LOT OF DATA.

I'M TRYING TO, UH, TO GET INTO THIS AS GIVE YOU THE DETAILS, BUT NOT OVERWHELM YOU WITH THAT.

UH, THE FIRST ALTERNATIVE, WHICH TO A, UH, YOU CAN SEE ON SCREEN HERE, THIS IS ONE THAT BASICALLY COMES BACK IN AND SAYS, YOU'VE REACHED A POINT WHERE THE LIFECYCLE OF PINE CIRCLE, UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S TEEING AT THAT POINT.

IF YOU WERE TO LOOK AT A MODERN ROUNDABOUT, WHAT WOULD THAT LOOK LIKE? AND THAT'S WHAT YOU SEE ON SCREEN.

DOES CONTRACT THE CIRCLE BY ABOUT 120 FEET COMES INTO THAT.

UM, IT USES WHAT WE CALL SPIRAL MOVEMENTS.

UH, IT ALSO CREATES DELINEATED MOVEMENTS, SO BUFFERS IN BETWEEN THOSE LANES SO THAT YOU'VE GOT A LITTLE MORE FREEWAY OR FREEDOM IN THOSE MOVEMENTS.

UM, AND CREATES THAT, AGAIN, THAT FREE FALLING MOVEMENT COMING SOUTHBOUND ONTO GREENWOOD, WHICH, YOU KNOW, GIVEN THE SHEER VOLUME OF THAT, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WHATEVER YOU CHOOSE TO DO NEEDS TO BE ACCOMMODATED WITH THIS.

THE ONE BENEFIT ASSOCIATED WITH THIS, I'LL TELL YOU, IS THAT IF YOU WERE TO ENTERTAIN THIS AND TO DECIDE TO DO, UH, A LARGER SCALE IMPROVEMENT LIKE THIS, IS THAT YOU COULD MAINTAIN OPERATIONS IN THE EXISTING CIRCLE, BUILD THIS ROUNDABOUT WITHOUT EVER IMPACTING TRAFFIC, WHICH IS A HUGE SAVINGS ON COST, AS WELL AS MAINTENANCE OF TRAFFIC AND IMPACTS TO YOUR PUBLIC.

UH, SO YOU'RE PROBABLY ASKING, HOW DOES IT OPERATE, JONATHAN? WELL, UH, IT OPERATES ACTUALLY PRETTY WELL.

UM, IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT YOUR REPORT CARD OVER HERE ON THE PAPER, IT'S LEVEL SERVICE A ACROSS ALL OF THESE.

UH, IT ACCOMMODATES THE MOVEMENTS THAT IT NEEDS TO, UH, IT MOVES QUITE WELL.

IT DOES CREATE A LARGER CIRCLE FOR MOVEMENTS.

UH, IT'S A BIGGER TRAFFIC CIRCLE AS FAR AS THE NUMBER OF MOVEMENTS THAT YOU HAVE TODAY.

THAT MIGHT BE CONFUSING FOR SOME DRIVERS.

IT MIGHT BE IMPACTFUL FOR SOME DRIVERS.

IT DOES CHANGE THE ARCHITECTURE OF THIS AREA FROM A, FROM A ROADWAY STANDPOINT.

YOU PROVIDE THIS SO YOU CAN MAKE DECISIONS, UH, AND UNDERSTAND SOME OF THE IMPACTS.

AND SO WE LOOKED AT HOW DO WE PULL THIS IN A LITTLE BIT MORE? UH, THIS IS WHAT THIS IS, BUT THIS ALSO MAXIMIZES THE EXISTING CIRCLE AND MINIMIZES, UH, THE IMPACTS TO THE CIRCLE SIZE.

AND SO, UH, WE,

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WE SORT OF PUSHED THIS OUT A LITTLE BIT MORE.

THE OTHER THING THAT THIS ONE DOES IS INSTEAD OF HAVING TWO THROUGH LANES THROUGH THE ENTIRETY OF THE CIRCLE, IT STILL MAINTAINS ONE THROUGH LANE AND ONE LEFT TURN LANE.

UH, AND SO IF YOU'RE COMING DOWN PALM MEADOW BAY AND YOU'RE GOING THROUGH, YOU WOULD COME DOWN AND YOU WOULD GO THROUGH AND THEN YOU THROUGH, IF I'M TURNING LEFT TO GO TO WILLIAM HILTON, I WOULD GET IN THE LEFT TURN LANE AND I WOULD CIRCULATE AROUND THE CIRCLE, AND THEN I WOULD SPIRAL OUT, AND THEN I WOULD BE ON WILLIAM HILTON PARKWAY.

IT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE INTUITIVE DESIGN.

IT ALIGNS YOU WITH THE MOVEMENTS THAT YOU NEED TO MOVE.

IF YOU'RE APPROACHING A NORMAL INTERSECTION AND I WANNA TURN LEFT, I GET INTO THE LEFT TURN LANE.

IF I WANT TO GO THROUGH, I GET INTO THE THROUGH LANE.

AND SO THAT WAS THE THINKING BEHIND THIS IS, IS THERE A WAY TO CREATE A ROUNDABOUT THAT WOULD BE MORE INTUITIVE FOR YOUR DRIVERS? IF YOU THINK ABOUT YOUR DRIVER POPULATION MIX, YOU'VE GOT, UH, A VARIETY OF VISITORS, VARIETY OF RESIDENTS, UH, WHO ARE COMING THROUGH HERE.

SOME FAMILIAR, SOME NOT FAMILIAR WITH THIS.

AND SO WE WANTED TO CREATE THIS AS INTUITIVE AS POSSIBLE.

OPERATIONALLY, YOUR AM AND PMP HOURS, EXCUSE ME, YOUR AM AND YOUR MIDDAY PEAK HOURS LEVEL SERVICE C WHICH IS QUITE WELL.

UH, YOU DO START TO GET SOME DEGRADATION THERE ON IN THE MIDDAY, UH, YOUR PMP HOUR OVERALL, YOU GET AT A LEVEL SERVICE E YOU DO HAVE VOLUME THAT'S TRYING TO COME THROUGH HERE.

I MENTIONED SOME OTHER OPTIONS CONSIDERED, I DID WANNA BRING THIS BACK UP.

UM, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT, UM, AS WE TALKED ABOUT EARLIER, WHAT ARE DRIVERS DOING? THEY'RE LOOKING AT THIS FROM THE STANDPOINT OF HOW DO WE CIRCULATE AROUND THE ROUNDABOUT TO AVOID THAT.

THEY'RE DOING IT ON THREE QUARTERS OF THE CIRCLE TODAY.

FOURTH QUARTER COULD REMOVE A PORTION OF TRAFFIC.

NOW, WHEN I RAN MY ANALYSIS, WE ACTUALLY LOOKED AT THE ADJACENT INTERSECTIONS, FIGURED OUT WHO WAS CUTTING THROUGH AND ADDED THOSE BACK TO THE CIRCLE.

'CAUSE THEY'RE ALREADY DOING THAT.

SO WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE UNDERSTOOD WHAT THE TRUE DEMAND WAS.

THIS GIVES YOU OPTIONS TO CIRCULATE.

IT GIVES YOU OPTIONS TO MANEUVER.

IF YOU DON'T WANNA NAVIGATE THE CIRCLE, YOU CAN CERTAINLY CREATE A PATTERN THAT MOVES AROUND.

IT DOESN'T ADD ANY NECESSARILY NEW SIGNALS ON STATE, ON ROADS.

IT WOULD CREATE A NEW CONTROLLED INTERSECTION THERE ON GREENWOOD, WHICH I DO THINK IS IMPORTANT, UH, FOR THAT.

UH, GREENWOOD, UH, SEA PINES MAY HAVE SOME CONCERNS.

HOW DOES THAT IMPACT THEIR OPERATIONS AT THE GATE? AND THAT WOULD NEED TO BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD NEED TO BE FULLY VETTED WITH THEM.

BUT IT WOULD CREATE A, UH, PULSING OF TRAFFIC TO HELP NAVIGATE THE CIRCLE FOR THOSE WHO DO TRY TO USE THAT.

SECONDARILY, IT ALSO CREATES, UH, FROM A PEDESTRIAN MOVEMENT, YOU HAVE WAYS TO REALLY NAVIGATE THE CIRCLE, MOVE AROUND IT, CROSS AT CONTROLLED LOCATIONS, UH, AND REALLY KIND OF GET THROUGH THE NETWORK WITHOUT GOING THROUGH THE NETWORK.

UH, SO IT DOES GIVE THOSE OPERATIONS.

I'VE JUST HIT YOU WITH A SLEDGEHAMMER OF DATA.

I'M GONNA PAUSE AND GO BACK.

I WANTED TO GET THROUGH IT BECAUSE IT HELPED US TO COVER EVERYTHING.

AND THEN FROM THAT POINT, WE CAN COME BACK AND ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE.

'CAUSE I'M SURE THERE ARE.

WELL, FORTUNATELY, WE, WE'VE ALL SEEN IT, UM, IN READING ON THE NEXT STEPS.

IT'S REALLY ABOUT WHAT ARE THE SHORT TERM OPTIONS WE NEED TO TAKE A LOOK AT, BECAUSE I THINK THAT'LL HELP US DRIVE THE LONG-TERM DISCUSSION.

UM, I I, I, I DON'T THINK WE'RE READY FOR A LONG-TERM DISCUSSION PERSONALLY, UM, BECAUSE I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE SOME OF THAT SHORT-TERM, UM, RESOLUTIONS FIGURED OUT AND PUT INTO PLAY.

BUT IT'S A LOT.

IT IS.

I THINK THAT'S VERY WISE.

UM, AS I MENTIONED PREVIOUSLY, AND I CAN BACK UP AND WE CAN GET TO SOME OF THOSE SHORT TERM, THERE ARE A NUMBER OF THINGS THAT CAN BE DONE, UM, TODAY THAT WILL IMPROVE SOME OF THE OPERATIONS.

UM, JUST, YOU KNOW, ADDRESSING SOME OF THE VISUAL SIGHT LINES THAT EXIST TODAY AS YOU'RE PULLING UP TO THE APPROACHES, MAKING SURE YOU HAVE ADEQUATE SIGHT LINES THAT WILL HELP WITH DRIVERS MAKING DECISIONS.

UM, EDUCATION, UH, PEOPLE ARE ALWAYS CONCERNED ABOUT, UH, OR DON'T KNOW HOW TO NAVIGATE A ROUNDABOUT.

UH, ONE OF THE MOST BENEFICIAL THINGS THAT YOU CAN DO IS YOU'RE EXITING A ROUNDABOUT IS PUT YOUR BLINKER ON, SHOW THAT YOU'RE TURNING RIGHT.

IT INDICATES AHEAD OF TIME WHAT YOUR INTENT IS.

NINE TIMES OUTTA 10 IS WE DRIVE THAT.

AND I'M ABSOLUTELY GUILTY OF THIS.

YOU DON'T DO IT.

YOU DON'T THINK TO DO IT, RIGHT? AND SO IT IS SOMETHING THAT CAN BE A PART OF A CAMPAIGN TO EDGE, HOW TO DRIVE A CIRCLE MORE THAN JUST THE SCIENCE, RIGHT? UH, AND THERE ARE SOME SIGNS THAT ARE OUT THERE, BUT I THINK THERE'S A, A CONCERTED EFFORT RELATIVE TO THAT.

UM, THE, YOU KNOW, THE SPEED TABLES, UH, WHICH WILL HAVE A METERING EFFECT.

AND THEN WORKING WITH YOUR SIGNAL TIMINGS TO HELP CONTROL THAT, YOU'RE PROBABLY GONNA SEE SOME MEASURABLE BENEFITS ASSOCIATED WITH THAT.

AND THAT'S THINGS THAT ARE, UH,

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RELATIVELY INEXPENSIVE TO, UH, AND CAN BE QUICKLY REMOVED IF YOU CHOOSE TO DO SO, UH, WITHOUT A OVERALL HEAVY COST.

UH, AND THAT WOULD BE, AS YOU'RE APPROACHING IMPACTING A, A PIECE OF INFRASTRUCTURE LIKE SEA PONDS, I WOULD WANNA START WITH SOME MEASURABLE THINGS THAT I COULD DO, UNDERSTAND THE IMPACTS WITH THAT, AND THEN FROM THERE, WORK FORWARD TO OR SOLIDIFY THOSE TWO OF US AROUND THAT.

REMEMBER THE OLD TWO LANE CIRCLE.

AND GOD FORBID YOU GET STUCK ON THE INSIDE OF THAT BECAUSE YOU WOULDN'T BE LET OUT AND YOU WOULD GO AROUND ABOUT THREE OR FOUR TIMES.

UM, AND, AND YOU KNOW WHAT, WHAT WE HAVE NOW WORKS, RIGHT? I, I, YOU KNOW, WORKED, I SHOULD SAY WORKED, BUT LOOK AT BLUFF IN'S CIRCLE AND I, AND THERE'S SO MANY PROBLEMS, RIGHT? THERE'S A WRECK ALMOST EVERY DAY.

ABSOLUTELY.

IN THE BEGINNING IT WAS EVERY COUPLE HOURS.

UM, YOU KNOW, SO THAT, THAT CONCERNS ME BECAUSE WHAT WE'RE, WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE IS SOMETHING SIMILAR TO THAT, UH, WAS OF, UH, PRESENT MINDSET.

UM, WE KNEW THAT GOING INTO THAT MOST INDIVIDUALS WITHIN THIS COMMUNITY WE'RE GOING TO COMPARE ANY SORT OF MODIFICATION TO BLUFF AND PARKWAY.

UM, I CAN, I CAN STATE ON RECORD THAT THERE HAS BEEN A, A STUDY OF THAT INTERSECTION AND THERE ARE RECOMMENDATIONS AWAITING TO BE IMPLEMENTED.

I DON'T KNOW WHEN THAT WILL HAPPEN.

UM, THAT IS A RESULT OF, YOU KNOW, UM, DESIGN NOT UNDERSTANDING THE, HOW YOU LAY OUT A DUAL LANE ROUNDABOUT CORRECTLY.

UM, I CAN SHOW YOU AND, AND, AND HAPPY TO PULL THIS INFORMATION TOGETHER FOR YOU.

THERE ARE A NUMBER OF MULTI-LANE ROUNDABOUTS THROUGHOUT THE UNITED STATES THAT OPERATE WELL, THAT MOVE A LOT MORE VOLUME THAN THIS.

AND THEY DO IT IN A ACTUALLY SLOWER MANNER THAN WHAT WE'RE SEEING HERE.

UM, SO THEY DO EXIST, BUT I CAN, I DO NOT DISCOUNT THE, UM, PERCEPTION OF MULTI-LANE ROUNDABOUTS AND, AND HOW THAT MAY IMPLEMENT, YOU KNOW, AFFECT ANYTHING THAT YOU IMPLEMENT, UM, WITH THE SHORT TERM SOLUTIONS THERE.

THERE'S ONE THING THAT'S SORT OF BRINGING A BELL IN MY MIND.

AND I WANNA SAY THIS FIRST.

I'M GONNA LEAN ON MY COLLEAGUES THAT REPRESENT THIS AREA TO HELP LEAD THE DISCUSSION, BUT I WAS SORT OF INTRIGUED WITH THE OPPORTUNITY WITH THE NEW TRAFFIC SIGNAL SYSTEM TO PROVIDE MORE OPPORTUNITY FOR THE FLOWS TO GO THROUGH.

FOR EXAMPLE, PEAK HOUR COMING OUTTA SEA PINES IS A HEADACHE.

OKAY? UM, SO IF THERE WAS OPPORTUNITY TO GIVE MORE TIME FOR THAT TO COME THROUGH BY HOLDING THE TRAFFIC BACK ON PATO BAY, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT MAY MAKE SOME SENSE IN THE SHORT TERM.

OBVIOUSLY THAT'S GOING TO MAYBE GET SOME PEOPLE THAT ARE TRYING TO GO FROM PAMELA BAY TO HOPE AVENUE.

BUT I THINK THE DATA PIECE OF THAT HELPS US TO HAVE A BETTER CONVERSATION ALONG THE WAY.

SO IF THERE'S A WAY TO TEST THAT AND BRING IT BACK TO US, I THINK THAT THEN GIVES US MORE OPPORTUNITY TO TALK ABOUT LONG TERM, IN MY OPINION.

ALFRED, UH, I WANNA DEAL WITH SHORT TERM FIRST.

PREFACE THAT BY SAYING THERE ARE THOSE TERM SOLUTIONS.

SOLUTIONS.

NOT THAT I DON'T THINK THIS SHOULD BE, BUT I DON'T WANNA DISMISS THE VALUE PROPERTY THAT REASONABLE OF LONGER TERM TRUCTURE FOR THOSE RECEIVE FACT, UM, RESPONSIBILITY.

WE'RE TRYING TO GET OUT.

THE GEOMETRY IS A MAJOR PROBLEM.

LOOKING AT PARTICULAR PAGE AS THE BLANK ONLY MEDIA.

SO CARS FROM JUMPING CENTER, OUR FROM JUMPING LANES, CARS FROM CUTTING ACROSS.

UM, IT ESSENTIALLY HELPS TO CREATE A MORE, UM, FLUID FLOW COMING INTO

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THE ROUNDABOUT.

IF YOU THINK ABOUT, UH, PALMETTO BAY COMING DOWN, UM, AND YOU'VE GOT A FULL MOVEMENT INTERSECTION EXTREMELY CLOSE, ABOUT 200 FEET AWAY FROM, UH, THE CIRCLE WITH DUNCAN'S ALLEY, JUST THOSE LEFT TURNS THAT ARE COMING OUT, JUST THE RIGHT TURNS COMING OUT, IT HAS A DISRUPTIVE FACT OF HOW, UM, IMPACT ON HOW THIS TRAFFIC CIRCLE OPERATES.

AND SO, UH, ANYTHING WE CAN DO TO, UM, YOU KNOW, ON, ON PALMETTO, ON POPE AND ON WILLIAM HILTON, THE ONES THAT ARE OWNED BY THE STATE, YOU HAVE A VERY GOOD PATTERN OF SIGNAGE AHEAD OF TIME THAT TELLS YOU WHERE TO BE.

DRIVERS DON'T ALWAYS PAY ATTENTION TO SIGNS.

UM, SO ANYTHING WE CAN DO TO REINFORCE THAT WITH MEDIAN PAYMENT MARKINGS, UM, IS GOING TO BE MORE, IT'S GOING TO BE HELPFUL IN GETTING THAT TRAFFIC INTO THE CORRECT LANE AHEAD OF TIME.

SO WE DON'T HAVE THE DISRUPTIONS ASSOCIATED WITH IT.

MY PERSONAL EXPERIENCE IS, IS THE GEOMETRY IS A VERY WORK DISTANCE BETWEEN PALMETTO BAY AND GREENWOOD.

HARD TO GET OUT, UH, TALK ABOUT METERING AT A J NOT METERING ONLY ON STOP THE TRAFFIC COMING IN FROM PALM BAY, BUT YOU STILL HAVE, YEAH, I, I THINK THAT'S A GOOD, UH, THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION TO ASK.

I THINK IT WOULD BE AN EXPERIMENTATION TO PLAY AROUND WITH WHAT WORKS BEST.

YOU WOULD NEED TO LOOK AT YOUR PEAK HOURS, UM, 'CAUSE THEY'RE DIFFERENT.

UH, YOUR A MP TOWER DOESN'T HAVE THE MOST CONGESTION, IT'S GOT THE LIGHTEST AMOUNT OF VOLUME.

SO MAYBE YOU DON'T CHANGE THE OPERATIONS NECESSARILY FOR THAT.

UH, BUT YOUR MIDDAY AND YOUR PMP HOUR, YOU COULD LOOK AT THE SEQUENCING OF YOUR TRAFFIC SIGNALS THERE AT TARGET AND ARROW, UH, AS WELL AS OFFICE PARK AND SEE WHAT PULSING OF THAT WOULD GIVE YOU THE BEST OPERATIONAL PERFORMANCE.

'CAUSE ESSENTIALLY WHAT YOU WANT TO DO IS CONTROL, UH, THAT AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC THAT IS COMING THROUGH PALMETTO.

UM, SO THAT SEA PINES HAS A GAP THAT'S ESSENTIALLY YOU'RE CREATING IS AN ARTIFICIAL GAP.

UM, AND THERE HAVE BEEN OTHER DISCUSSIONS AROUND THIS.

DO YOU, DO YOU SIGNALIZE EACH OF THE LEGS ENTERING THE ROUNDABOUT? THAT I'LL TELL YOU THAT IS NOT A VERY POPULAR SOLUTION TO DO.

THERE ARE PROBLEMS ASSOCIATED WITH THAT OPERATIONALLY.

I THINK YOU CAN DO THE SAME WITH WHAT YOU'VE GOT.

MATTER POINT, ARE YOU REFERRING TO THE TYPE OF TRAFFIC LIGHT SIGNALIZATION THAT APPEARS ON FREEWAY ENTRANCES? YES.

METERING EXACTLY.

UM, UH, WHERE YOU WOULD CONTROL THAT.

AND SO YOU HAVE RED GREEN, RED GREEN AND YOU ALLOW THE TRAFFIC TO GO.

CONCERN ABOUT THAT WAS WHAT, UH, IT'S, THE STUDIES HAVE SHOWN THAT IT DOESN'T PROVIDE YOU THE LONG-TERM BENEFITS ASSOCIATED THAT YOU MIGHT THINK THAT IT'S GONNA HAVE, UH, IT CAN BE DISRUPTIVE FOR PEDESTRIANS AND BICYCLISTS, WHICH RIGHT NOW IS NOT A CONCERN ASSOCIATED WITH THAT.

UM, WHAT WE DO FIND IS THAT THERE'S A HIGHER PROPENSITY FOR CRASHES TO INCREASE BECAUSE YOU ARE STOPPING THE TRAFFIC LIKE THAT.

UH, YOU ALSO HAVE A NUMBER OF VIOLATOR VIOLATIONS THAT CAN OCCUR.

WE LIVE IN A STATE WHERE YOU CANNOT USE RED LIGHT CAMERAS, UM, WHICH IS USUALLY HOW YOU CONTROL THAT.

UM, SO YOU, YOU CREATE MORE PROBLEMS THAN YOU DO SOLUTIONS, UH, WHICH YOU CAN DO THE EXACT SAME THING WITH THIS IN COMBINATION WITH YOUR, UH, UH, YOUR SPEED TABLES.

YOU CAN, YOU CAN DO THE VERY SAME THING 'CAUSE THE SPEED TABLES DON'T HAVE TO BE APPLIED TO EVERY SINGLE APPROACH.

YOU CAN SLOW DOWN POPE AND PALMETTO, UM, AND ALLOW, UH, SEA PINES TO OR GREENWOOD TO NOT HAVE THAT SO THAT IT CAN MOVE IT A LITTLE FASTER PACE.

SO THERE'S SOME WAYS TO PLAY WITH THAT.

AND THAT, THAT CONCEPT THAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO RIGHT NOW IN TERMS IF YOU PUT, UH, THE SPEED TABLES ON, UM, PALMETTO BAY CAR GOING THROUGH THERE WOULD SLOW DOWN, CORRECT.

AB YEAH.

IF EVERY ABSOLUTELY.

THE CARS ARE YEAH.

GOING AT THE SAME, THAT IS THE, THE BIGGER PROBLEM.

'CAUSE IF YOU REALLY DIAGNOSE SOME OF THE ISSUES, UM, WITH WHY THERE'S NOT A PROBLEM IS BECAUSE, UM, THE CONTROLLING MOVEMENTS FOR PALMETTO BAY ARE ACTUALLY WILLIAM HILTON AND POPE, RIGHT? IF I'M POPE AND I'M TURNING LEFT TO GO TO GREENWOOD, I HAVE, I ENTER THE CIRCLE AND I IMPACT THIS.

IF I'M WILLIAM HILTON AND I'M GOING TO POPE AVENUE OR I'M GOING TO GREENWOOD, I ACTUALLY HAVE A CONTROLLING FACTOR OVER THIS BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO YIELD TO ME BECAUSE I'M ALREADY IN THE CIRCLE.

THOSE VOLUMES ARE NOT AS GREAT AS PALMETTO BAY.

SO WHAT WE WANNA DO WITH METERING OF THAT IS TO CREATE A, UH, ELONGATE, SLOW THAT MOVEMENT DOWN SO THAT IT'S NOT AS RAPID AS IT IS WHEN YOU SLOW IT DOWN.

THEN THAT ALLOWS GREENWOOD TO HAVE A LONGER DISTANCE TO GO, AND THAT THEN INCREASES EFFICIENCY AND MOVES MORE CARS IN TERMS OF LONG TERM.

I WILL HOLD OFF TILL WE CAN POINT, BUT I DID WANNA MENTION THAT, UH, I CAN'T QUITE TELL WHETHER YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT ALLOWING BICYCLES AND

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PEDESTRIANS TO GO THROUGH THE CIRCLE OR NOT.

I WOULD PROBABLY KEEP IT AS JUST A VEHICULAR MOVEMENT AT THIS POINT.

AND THAT GOES TO WHAT WE'RE THINKING LONG TERM WITH THE NETWORK HERE.

UM, WITH REALLY BEING ABLE TO CREATE A NETWORK AROUND THE CIRCLE FOR BICYCLE AND PEDESTRIANS, CREATING SMALLER CONTROLLED CROSSINGS, THAT'S GONNA BE FAR BETTER AND A MUCH MORE ENJOYABLE EXPERIENCE FOR THOSE USING IT.

UH, I THOROUGHLY AGREE WITH YOU ON THAT.

I THINK PUTTING BICYCLES IN THERE ONLY SLOW THE TRAFFIC DOWN AND HAVE MORE, MORE BIKE PROBLEMS. I'LL COME BACK TO LONG TERM.

ANOTHER POINT.

ANY OTHER COMMENTS? UH, YES.

UH, JONATHAN, THANK YOU FOR SHARING YOUR EXPERTISE WITH US.

I'LL TELL YOU HONESTLY THAT I DON'T UNDERSTAND EVERYTHING YOU SAID.

UM, BUT, UH, AS A SHORT TIMER, MY FOCUS IS ON THE SHORT TERM SUGGESTIONS HERE.

AND I THINK YOU'VE LAID OUT SOME CREATIVE IDEAS HERE THAT HAVE NOT BEEN DISCUSSED HERE IN THE PAST AS FAR AS I KNOW, AND IF WE CAN IMPLEMENT SOME OF THESE.

AND I ALSO NOTE THAT THE VOLUME OF TRAFFIC GOING THROUGH THERE HAS BEEN LEVEL FOR OVER A DECADE.

UM, AND WE SAY THAT WE'RE HAVING TOO MUCH TRAFFIC HERE.

UH, WE HAVE A TRAFFIC CONTROL PROBLEM, WE DON'T HAVE TOO MUCH TRAFFIC.

PROBLEM IS WHAT I'M GETTING OUT OF THIS.

AND SO I WOULD URGE MY COLLEAGUES TO PROMOTE THESE SHORT TERM SOLUTIONS TO SEE IF THAT CAN COME TO SOMETHING, BECAUSE WHO KNOWS WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN WHEN WE HAVE SELF-DRIVING CARS.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR EXPERTISE, GLEN.

THAT'S CORRECT.

THAT'S THE WAY I SEE IT AS WELL.

UM, I THINK THOSE SHORT TERM SUGGESTIONS THAT YOU'VE MADE, UM, ARE A GREAT FIRST STEP, ESPECIALLY GIVEN THE, THE NUMBERS THAT YOU PRESENTED US WITH.

FOR ME, I NEVER GO AROUND THAT CIRCLE.

I ALWAYS TAKE THOSE BACK ROADS.

UM, AND IT WORKS JUST FINE TO DO THAT.

BUT, UM, FOR THOSE WHO DO, I THINK THOSE SUGGESTIONS YOU'VE MADE, UM, ARE, AND, AND THE OTHER THING THAT YOU SAID ABOUT THEM WAS IF, IF THAT IS NOT THE ANSWER TO WHATEVER THE PROBLEM COMES TO OUR ATTENTION TO ACTUALLY BE, WE CAN ALWAYS REVERSE COURSE AND MOVE ON TO IN A DIFFERENT DIRECTION.

SO THANK YOU FOR THE INFORMATION.

IT WAS A GREAT PRESENTATION.

ANY OTHER COMMENTS ON THE SHORT TERM, MS. JAMES? JONATHAN? UM, TWO QUESTIONS.

UM, SPEED TABLES ALLOW FIRE RESCUE VEHICLES TO MOVE OVER THEM WITHOUT HESITATION.

CORRECT? THEY CAN BE DESIGNED IN A MANNER THAT DOESN'T CALL THEM CAUSE THEM TO HIGH CENTER OR, UH, SLOW DOWN IN A, IN A MEANINGFUL MANNER.

UH, SECONDLY, BECAUSE WE HAVE AN ASYMMETRIC GEOMETRY, UM, WOULD A SHIFT OF GREENWOOD DRIVE BY 25 FEET MAKE A DIFFERENCE? UH, IT, IT DOES INCREASE.

IT DOES INCREASE THE OPPORTUNITY THERE FOR, UM, FOR MOVEMENTS.

I WAS GONNA LOOK TO SEE IF WE HAD A, IT WOULD POTENTIALLY GIVE YOU MORE SPACING IN BETWEEN.

TOWN NOW OWNS THAT CORNER.

IT SEEMS TO ME THAT A COMBINATION OF A SPEED TABLE AT, UM, A PALMETTO BAY AND A SHIFT OF 25 FEET TOWARDS POPE AVENUE MIGHT BE A REASONABLE, UH, CONCEPT TO LOOK AT.

THERE IS SOME, UM, GO RIGHT THROUGH RILEY'S.

NO, NO, NO, I'M NOT, I'M NOT, I I AM NOT SUGGESTING ANY SHIFT SHIFT THAT WOULD AFFECT PRIVATE PROPERTY.

UH, I'M LOOKING FOR, UH, WHETHER OR NOT THROUGH THE, UH, CHANGE OF GEOMETRY ON GREENWOOD AT THE INTERSECTION WITH THE CIRCLE, IT MIGHT PROVIDE, CREATE A LARGER, UH, MEDIUM BETWEEN GREENWOOD DRIVE AND, AND SHIFT IT OVER.

YEAH, YOU, YOU COULD ESSENTIALLY KEEP THE GEN AT THE OTHER DRAWING ON TOP OF THIS BUT YOU COULD ESSENTIALLY KEEP THE GEOMETRY THAT YOU'VE GOT ON THE NORTH SIDE OF WHERE IT SPLITS OFF, AND YOU COULD BRING THIS DOWN JUST A LITTLE BIT, JUST SO THAT YOU ESSENTIALLY CREATE AN EQUILIBRIUM BETWEEN THIS POINT AND THIS POINT, WHICH WOULD ACTUALLY HELP THIS, THIS LOCATION AS WELL.

UM, SO THAT IS SOMETHING THAT I DRIVE THAT SOME VALUE.

I DRIVE THAT DAILY, AND YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT.

THE CARS COMING OFF PTO BAY, IF THEY DON'T HAVE ANY, UH, UH, OTHER VEHICLES OF CONFLICT, THEY COME AROUND THAT CIRCLE WITH ABOUT 30 MILES AN HOUR, IT DOESN'T GIVE YOU TIME.

SO I THINK THE, THE SPEED TABLE AND THE REALIGNMENT MIGHT BE SOMETHING THAT'S WORTH LOOKING AT.

A WATER BODY OF WATER THERE.

MAY I ASK, WOULD THAT REQUIRE, UM, IF A, THE LAGOON, THERE'S A, THERE'S

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LARGE, A TRADE OFF.

IT TAKES AWAY A NATURAL ENVIRONMENT THAT I'M NOT IN FAVOR OF.

DISTURBING.

I I THINK WE COULD TAKE A LOOK AT THE BENEFIT IT WOULD PROVIDE FROM THE GEOMETRY BEFORE WE GET INTO, UM, YOU KNOW, TOO DEEP INTO THE PROPERTY IMPACT, BUT, BUT UNDERSTANDING HERE'S WHAT THE BENEFIT WOULD BE AND IF, IF COUNCIL SUPPORTED THAN WE COULD LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, I, I APPRECIATE YOU STATING IN THE BEGINNING THAT IT IS A FLAGSHIP AND IT'S, IT'S SO IMPORTANT TO THE COMMUNITY BECAUSE IT IS A STATEMENT.

UM, AND OVER THE PAST MANY MOONS, A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE LEARNED HOW TO DRIVE SUCH CIRCLE CHANGING.

IT WILL BE A REAL CHALLENGE, UM, FOR THOSE WITH CAN'T BREAK OLD HABITS.

MAYOR .

I DIDN'T SAY THAT, BUT, YOU KNOW, I THINK LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, THE SHORT TERM ASPECT, ESPECIALLY WITH, WITH WHAT LESTER, MR. STANFORD SAID, AND THAT IT'S BEEN RELATIVELY FLAT OVER THE PAST DECADE.

UM, THE QUESTION IS, WHAT IS IT THAT'S, THAT'S CHANGED, RIGHT? UM, IS IT AN, IS IT THE, THE WORK VEHICLES THAT ARE NOW GOING THROUGH SEA PINES, RENOVATING HOMES, BUILDING HOMES, WHEN IS THAT GONNA START TO SUBSIDE? SO WHAT DOES THE FUTURE PATTERN HOLD? UM, SO I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF QUESTIONS THERE AS TO WHAT WE MIGHT SEE.

AND THEN WHAT IS SEA PINES GOING TO DO TO HELP ALLEVIATE SOME OF THEIR, THEIR, UH, CONGESTION ISSUES GOING INTO SEA PINES.

UM, SO I, YOU KNOW, LOOKING AT THE SHORT TERM SIDE OF IT, GETTING THAT, THAT DATA, UNDERSTANDING IT, HOW IT CAN HELP IMPROVE, I THINK IT WOULD BE AWESOME.

UM, YOU KNOW, NINE TIMES OUTTA 10, IT IS SOMEBODY THAT PULLS OUT ONE OF THOSE LEGS AND THEY GUN IT, YOU KNOW? UM, SO, AND WE CAN, WE CAN MAKE SURE THAT THE SIGNS ARE UP THERE TO SAY, USE YOUR BLINKER.

'CAUSE THEY USED TO BE THERE IN MOST SPOTS, BUT THEY'RE NOT, I DON'T, HAVEN'T SEEN THEM LATELY.

UM, BUT IT DOES MAKE A DIFFERENCE.

YOU'RE RIGHT.

SO, FOR THE SAKE OF, FOR THE SAKE OF TIME, UM, I, I, I DON'T, WE CAN DO IT IF YOU WANT TO, UM, GO THROUGH THE LONG TERM, BUT I'M NOT SURE WHAT BENEFIT THAT'S GONNA HOLD RIGHT NOW.

PERFECTLY HAPPY TO HAVE THAT DISCUSSION AS LONG AS WE HAVE IT.

AT ANOTHER TIME.

I, I'M JUST, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT, UM, THREE MORE SECTIONS TO GO THROUGH.

SO IF EVERYBODY'S OKAY WITH THAT.

THEN WE'LL CONTINUE ON TO PALM BAY ROAD.

SEAN, IS THAT OKAY? OKAY.

UH, ABSOLUTELY.

UM, OF THE SHORT TERM RECOMMENDATIONS, I THINK WE COULD, UM, GO AHEAD AND ADVANCE MANY OF THOSE AND BRING BACK FEEDBACK, ESPECIALLY LIKE ON THE METERING.

SOME OF IT'S JUST PAINT ON PAVEMENTS TO SEE IF THERE'S SOME BENEFIT THERE.

AND WE CAN CERTAINLY EXPLORE THE SPEED TABLE OPTION FOR CONSIDERATION, UM, WITH SOME ADDITIONAL INFORMATION ON THE APPROPRIATE LEGS TO PUT 'EM, IF IT'S NOT ALL OF ALL THREE.

CONSIDERATIONS CURRENTLY ON THE AUDUBON SIDE OF THE SEA PINES SIDE OF THE ROADWAY.

SO, PERFECT.

MR. MAYOR AND COUNSEL, LET'S GO ON TO PALMETTO BAY.

THANK YOU JAY GUY, FOR OUR ARITHMETIC LESSON OF THE DAY.

THAT'S, THAT'S A LOT OF DATA FOR SURE.

UM, THIS IS LOOKING AT PALMETTO BAY FROM THE, UH, UH, CROSS ISLAND PARKWAY OVERPASS OF HELMSMAN, UH, AT CROSSINGS PARK ALL THE WAY DOWN TO SEA PINE CIRCLE.

WHAT WE'VE HEARD AND WHAT WE'VE OBSERVED IS THAT WE'VE GOT HIGH DES, WE'VE GOT HIGH SPEEDS ON THAT ROADWAY.

PEOPLE COMING OFF THE CROSS ISLAND, DOWNGRADE OFF THAT BRIDGE, AND YOU HAPPEN TO CATCH THE LIGHT GREEN AT PEARL ROAD, MOST PEOPLE, FIVE OR 50 MILES AN HOUR.

SO THE STRAIGHTENS OUT, IT IS, UH, IN FACT A A STRAIGHTAWAY FROM THERE.

MINIMAL, UH, BUFFER BETWEEN THE PEDESTRIAN WAYS AND, AND THE TRAVEL LANES.

UH, A DISTINCT LACK OF LANDSCAPED MEDIANS, NUMEROUS DRIVEWAYS AND UNSIGNED INTERSECTIONS AND CONFLICT POINTS, UH, AND LIMITED BIKE AND PEDESTRIAN CROSSINGS.

WE'VE, WE'VE HEARD THIS BEFORE, RIGHT? SO THIS EXISTING CONDITION SHOWS THE, UH, THE GREEN BARS ARE THE LIMITED MEDIANS THAT EXIST.

UH, WE'VE GOT TWO SIGNALIZE INTERSECTIONS, THAT ARROW AND AT TARGET BEFORE YOU GET TO SEA PINE CIRCLE.

AND THEN, UH, NUMEROUS, UH, PRIVATE PROPERTY CURB CUTS CERTAINLY ON THAT NORTH SIDE OF THE ROADWAY INTO THE COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES AND SOME INTO, UM, UH, THE SERVICE STATION.

AND, UH, ISLAND CROSSINGS CENTER TOWARDS SEA PINE CIRCLE, EXISTING ROADWAY SECTION AGAIN, HAS MEDIAN, SOME PAVED SOME LANDSCAPE, NOT MUCH AND VARYING IN SIZE.

TWO LANE TWO WAYS, TWO LANES, BOTH DIRECTIONS OF TRAFFIC, NO, UH, PATHWAY

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AND AN EIGHT FOOT, UH, PATHWAY TRAIL ON THE, WHAT I CALL THE COMMERCIAL SIDE OF THE ROAD.

SO SOME OF THE, UH, TALKING POINTS AND CONSIDERATIONS, I'LL LET ADDIE SPEAK TO THIS, AND PATHWAYS AND PEDESTRIAN CROSSINGS.

AND WHAT MIGHT BE CONSIDERED FROM BUILDS ON WHAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT IN EVERY SEC SEGMENT, IS REALLY THINKING ABOUT CREATING LEGIBILITY AND CONSISTENCY OF WHERE EVERY MODE SHOULD BE CROSSING, HOW THEY'RE MOVING THROUGH THE SPACE, BACK TO OUR GUIDING PRINCIPLES ON IMPROVING SAFETY AND MOBILITY ALONG THE PATHWAYS ON THE SOUTH SIDE, MOVING THE DANGEROUS MYTH, UM, CROSSING THROUGH THERE, JUST MAKING, ESPECIALLY THOSE VULNERABLE USERS SECTION THE SAFETY.

JONATHAN TALKED ABOUT THAT POTENTIAL FOR, WITH OR WITHOUT THAT TO HAVE FOUR WAY CROSSINGS OF ALL.

WELL, THERE'S OPPORTUNITIES FOR SOME CONSOLIDATION OF CURB CUTS AND CONNECTIONS OF ROADWAYS AS WELL.

PERIOD, UH, LEFT TURN STACKING AND TURN MOTIONS.

UH, ARCHER, UH, MAKES A LOT OF SENSE IN TERMS OF CALMING TRAFFIC AND, AND ALL OF THIS WOULD NEED TO BE COORDINATED WITH THESE PROPERTY OWNERS.

BUT THERE ARE MANY OF THESE CURB CUTS THAT ARE ONE RIGHT NEXT TO THE OTHER FOR COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES THAT WOULD BE MINIMIZE SOME OF THOSE CROSSINGS WITH TRAILS PEDESTRIAN WAYS.

OBVIOUSLY, THE LESS OF THOSE CURB CUTS, THE, THE ROADWAY LAYOUT, UH, IT'S SECTION WITH GREENING A LANDSCAPED MEDIAN TRAIL ON BOTH SIDES WITH PROPER SEPARATION TO THE BIKE TRAIL AS SEEN IN THIS SECTION.

ONE, ADD THAT FRICTION, AS JONATHAN AND I KEEP TALKING ABOUT SLOWING SOME OF THOSE TRAVEL SPEEDS LANES, THOSE TRAVEL LANES ARE A LITTLE WIDER AT THIS JUNCTURE.

WE'RE SUGGESTING IN THIS SECTION THAT THEY CAN BE SEVEN FOOT LANES WITH A PLANT, 12 FOOT PATHWAYS ON BOTH SIDES.

HINDSIGHT OF THINGS THAT UBON RESERVE THAT MAY, OR AS WE TALKED ABOUT IN THE, IN THE, SO, UM, FIVE MILES AN HOUR DOWN TO ARCHER ROAD ROAD RECEIPT FIVE CURRENTLY.

UM, WE'D LOVE TO HAVE, UM, SOME THOUGHTS, AND I DID STEP OUT, SO I'M NOT SURE IF, UH, BRIAN COVERED IT, BUT, AND EXPLORING THE CONNECTIVITY, RIGHT? SO BO CIRCLE CUL-DE-SAC TO THE CUL-DE-SAC ON THE TOWN OWNED PROPERTY IN PALMETTO BAY BUSINESS PARK, YOU KNOW, MAKING THAT CONNECTIVITY, UH, TO ENHANCE CIRCULATION.

AND THEN THERE'S ANOTHER ONE HERE, POTENTIAL CONSIDERATION FOR ALTERNATIVE ACCESS FOR BAY PINES AND THAT COMMUNITY TO POINT COMFORT.

YOU KNOW, THEY TAKE CONVERSATIONS.

WE'VE HAD SOME PRELIMINARY CONVERSATIONS BOTH WITH COUNCIL AND SOME AND BAY PINE'S

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RESIDENTS, UM, ON THESE.

BUT, UH, CONTINUED COORDINATION TO LOOK AT THOSE OP OPPORTUNITIES TO IMPROVE ACCESS AND CIRCULATION WITHIN THIS COM.

WHEN THIS, WITHIN THIS SECTION COMMENTS.

YEAH, I THINK THE, UH, PROPOSAL FOR A PATHWAY ON THE AUDUBON NEWHALL PRESERVE SIDE OF PALMETTO BAY ROAD IS A GOOD ONE, ARE NO CURB CUTS.

IT'S A LOT SAFER.

UH, PEOPLE IN THE AREA JUST SOUTH THERE, UH, SAY THAT THEY'VE GOT NO GOOD BITE TO BIKE, UH, FROM, UH, TO SEA PINE CIRCLE SO THAT THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE IN THAT AREA.

THAT ONE QUESTION ABOUT POTENTIAL CURB CUTS, WHEN I LOOKED AT, ON THAT, UH, LISTED AS NUMBER TWO ON, ON THIS PAGE, UM, THAT'S WHERE THE POST OFFICE IS, HOW DO I GET HOME IF I GO FROM SEA PINES TO THE POST OFFICE AND DROP OFF A LETTER FULL FUNCTIONING INTERSECTION AT ARCHER.

UNFORTUNATELY, BO AND AND ARCHER ARE VERY CLOSE TOGETHER WITH THE CONNECTION THAT SEAN WAS MAKING REFERENCE OF, WHICH ISN'T A NEW IDEA, BOTH CIRCLE TO, UM, TO OFFICE PARK THAT WOULD PROVIDE BETTER THROUGH CIRCULATION TO GET TO THAT ONE BE OPENED AS WELL IN ADDITION TO ARCHER.

COULD THAT BE A CONTINUOUS, UM, UH, OPEN MEDIAN? SURE, IT COULD BE.

UM, BUT IF YOU, THE WAY THIS IS SET UP, I, I CAN'T GET HOME FROM THE POST OFFICE THAT'S SIR, DOWN, DOWN, DOWN RIGHT BACK AND THEN COME BACK.

I'M ALL IN FAVOR OF CUTTING OUT THE, THESE CURB CUTS IF YOU HAVE ANOTHER SOLUTION.

WHAT, WHAT I, WHAT I SEE HERE IS, UM, A LOT OF INCONVENIENCES IS, IS WHAT I'M SEEING, UM, YOU KNOW, FROM THE BANK TO THE GAS STATION TO THOSE BUSINESSES LINED UP IN A ROW.

UM, SO, YOU KNOW, IN A LOT OF U-TURNS, UM, SO THE QUESTION IS, CAN YOU STILL CREATE SOME OF THOSE LEFT TURNS TO PROVIDE THOSE ACCESSES OR A CLOSER U-TURN TO HAVE THE, THE MEDIAN'S, YOU KNOW, LANDSCAPE.

UM, UM, BUT I'M, I'M JUST SEEING A LOT OF, LOT OF INCONVENIENCE HAVING TO TAKE, YOU KNOW, FROM THE BOW CIRCLE, FROM THE, FROM COASTAL STATE BANK, YOU'RE HAVING TO JUMP DOWN BOW CIRCLE OR CUT THROUGH GREG CO PARKING LOT, WHICH THEY PROBABLY GET VERY TIRED OF AFTER A WHILE.

UM, BUT THEN GO DOWN, DOWN TO, UM, TARGET ROAD TO GET ACCESS BACK TO THE CINE CIRCLE.

SO MAYBE SOMETHING IN BETWEEN.

YEAH, YEAH, YEAH.

AND THEN SEAN, YOU KNOW, WITH THAT CONNECTOR, UH, PAMELA BAY OR A, UH, POINT COMFORT TO THOSE RESIDENTS, YOU KNOW, THAT'S A CONVERSATION TO HAVE WITH THE RESIDENTS DOWN THERE TO FIGURE OUT WHERE THEY ALL STAND ON THAT AND WHAT THAT WOULD POTENTIALLY LOOK LIKE.

LOOKING FORWARD, AND IT MIGHT BE 20 YEARS, RIGHT? I THINK IF THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO IMPLEMENT MEDIANS AND CONSOLIDATE ACCESS POINTS, THEN THIS MIGHT WHERE THE DASH LINES MIGHT MAKE SENSE OVER A LONG PERIOD, UH, WHERE IT MIGHT NOT MAKE SENSE TODAY OR THE NEXT FEW YEARS OR 10 YEARS.

YEAH, I UNDERSTAND JAMES.

YEAH, I, I REPRESENTED THAT GROUP OF, UH, AND THE ONES I'VE SPOKEN TO SAID THAT WOULD DRAMATICALLY INCREASE SAFETY OF GETTING OUT ON PALMETTO BAY.

I, I WOULD THINK THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING WE WOULD WANT TO PURSUE.

UH, ALSO THE BIKE PATH ON THE AUDUBON SIDE, JUST AS AL SAID IS, HAS BEEN A HIGH PRIORITY IN MY CONVERSATIONS POINT, COMFORT RESIDENCE AND BAY PINES RESIDENCE.

SO I, UM, NOTICE THAT THE BOYS BOW CIRCLE CONNECTOR IS ON THERE, THAT, THAT'S IMPORTANT.

SO, UH, I, I GUESS MY, UH, AESTHETIC GOAL WOULD BE TO ENHANCE THIS AS THE ENTRANCEWAY TO THE SOUTH END OF THE ISLAND AND SEA PINE CIRCLE AS BEST YOU CAN, AND WHAT THE TRADE-OFFS ARE IN TERMS OF NO LEFT TURNS AND ACCESS AND SO ON AND SO FORTH.

WE WILL HAVE TO BE DEALT WITH GOING DOWN, ADDING MEDIAN WHERE WE CAN, BUT NOT A CONTINUOUS MEDIAN CAUSING AS MANY.

AND I, IF I COULD DECIDE ONE THING, YOU KNOW, IF, IF I'M

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BUT IF I, WE LOOK AT IT AND AS THOSE OPPORTUNITIES COME UP, TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE DIRECTION TO PROVIDE SAFER AND BETTER ACCESS, I, I WOULD IMAGINE THAT THE DISTRICT PLANS WOULD INFLUENCE SOME OF THOSE OPPORTUNITIES.

SO, MR. STANFORD, THANK YOU.

UM, THIS IS AN AREA WHERE WE'VE TALKED ABOUT NEEDING TO DO SOME REALLY SERIOUS REGIONAL PLANNING.

WHAT DO WE WANT TO HAVE IN THIS AREA? AND THE ROAD IS JUST PART OF THAT.

UM, THE OBSERVATION THAT I MAKE ABOUT THE ROAD IS THAT IT'S STRAIGHT AND WHAT DOES THAT PROMOTE? SPEED.

SO WE NEED TO HEAR THESE EXPERTS COME IN WITH TECHNIQUES TO CALM THE SPEED, BUT ALSO, EXCUSE ME, ALSO, WE NEED TO OVERLAY OR PLAN THIS ROADWAY AS WE ARE PLANNING THIS DISTRICT.

THANK YOU .

OTHER COMMENTS? THANK YOU, GLENN, FOR THAT.

APPOINTED.

ANY OTHER COMMENTS? ALL RIGHT, YOU GOT WHAT YOU NEED ON THAT? THANK YOU.

WE DO HOPE, HOPE AVENUE, JONATHAN GUY, OTHER PROBLEM, CHILD AS HE ENTERS INTO SEA PINES.

THIS IS A LOOK FROM SEA PINES, UH, TO KAGEY CIRCLE, UH, WHAT WE'VE HEARD, WHAT WE'VE SEEN, AGAIN, INCONSISTENCY AT SIGNALIZE, UH, INTERSECTIONS, UH, SEA PINES TO CRED SECTION WORKS PRETTY DOGGONE WELL RIGHT NOW AND IS PRETTY ATTRACTIVE.

SECTION ONE MAN'S OPINION, UM, CORD TO THE KAGEY CIRCLE, UH, SHOULD BE GIVING PRIORITY WE FEEL TO, UH, NON-MOTORIZED, UH, OPERATORS.

THAT IS, UH, A CONCENTRATION OF TOURIST TRAFFIC, AS WE ALL KNOW, VERY HIGH, UH, BICYCLE AND CROSSING VOLUMES ALL DIRECTIONS.

AND LAGOON ROAD INTERSECTION IS, UH, BROKEN, IS DOWN INTO TWO SEGMENTS FROM SEA PINE CIRCLE TO CORD.

WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT.

AND THEN WE'LL GO FROM CORDS.

UH, THAT EXISTING PATHWAY ALMOST COMPLETELY ON BOTH SIDES.

WHEN WE GET UP TO SEA PINE CIRCLE, WE'RE MISSING THAT CONNECTED PIECE.

IT SIGNALIZE INTERSECTION AT, UH, NEW ORLEANS AND THEN AT CORD.

AND THIS SECTION SEGMENT WORKS PRETTY WELL.

WE, WE'VE GOT A RATHER ROBUST EXISTING VEGETATION IN THE, IN THE PLANT, THOUGH THEY ARE SUBSTANDARD BY OUR STANDARDS.

SO SOME OF THE TALKING POINTS, I'LL LET ADDIE GET INTO THAT IS, IS FINISHING THESE CONNECTIONS AND ADDING, UH, IMPROVED EXACTLY RIGHT.

AND I THINK RIGHT NOW AT EIGHT FEET, UM, ON BOTH SIDES FOR THE PATHWAY, LOOKING TO EXPAND IT AT 12, I THINK 12 WOULD BE IDEAL TO DO THAT, TO GET RIDERS LIKE TO, TO SOCIAL SIDES AND FAMILY AT CIRCULATION.

BUT I THINK HERE, STARTING TO THINK ABOUT POPE AVENUE, ALL THIS STREET IS STARTING TO PLAY AS IT FEEDS FURTHER DOWN OR FURTHER, UM, AS ACCESS AND MOBILITY AND LOCAL TRIPS AND ABOUT THAT IN THE ROLE, THE PATH DRIVEWAYS AND CONNECTIVITY AND CONDITION.

UH, THERE WANTED TO RESTRICT THOSE LEFT TURN MOTIONS AND CAUSE AS WE JUST TALKED ABOUT, CAUSE THOSE

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VIKING.

BUT WE DO HAVE, UM, A DRIVEWAY, UM, CONSOLIDATION THAT SECTION WORKS PRETTY DO ON, WELL, IT'S REALLY ACCOMMODATING THE PEDESTRIAN ROADWAY LAYOUT.

UM, CAUSED A LITTLE BIT OF FRICTION THIS THAT COULD BE REMOVED AND PUT INTO A CURBED SECTION.

UM, AND AGAIN, AS A WAY OF IT AND, AND OPTION, UH, FOR THAT ROADWAY SECTION, AGAIN, THE EXISTING 35, WE'RE SUGGESTING WE LEAVE IT AT THAT FAIRLY WELL POLICED FIND CIRCLE SECTION, BUT THIS SUGGESTS THAT WE HAVE 12 FOOT WIDE PATHWAYS ON BOTH SIDES.

BUFFER SEPARATION FROM THOSE SLIGHTLY 11 FEET.

ANYTHING TO ADD TO THIS? JAMES, I'LL LET YOU GO FIRST THIS TIME.

WELL, THANK YOU MAYOR .

UM, BUT BEFORE, UH, I'M SORRY TO INTERRUPT YOU, I WANT TO SHOW THIS SECTION AS WELL.

THIS IS AN OPTION, AND THIS IS PUTTING BIKE LANES ON THE VEHICULAR TRAVEL LANES AS WELL, IN ADDITION TO SEPARATE PAVED BIKEWAYS AND THAT WALKING IN SLOWER TRAFFIC, THOSE THAT WISH TO HAVE A LITTLE BIT FASTER WOULD BE IN THE ROADWAY WITH AUTOMOBILES, WITH SOME VERTICAL SEPARATION OF SOME TYPE.

ALRIGHT, UM, HISTORICAL PERSPECTIVE WHEN MR. FRAZIER, UM, CONTRIBUTED THE LAND ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE AS YOU GO TO BEACH, WANTED IT TO BE SORT OF INSTITUTIONAL CHURCHES PRIMARILY, BUT ALSO THE FIRST, UM, EMERGENCY OFFICE WAS THERE, HEALTH CENTER DENTIST AND SO ON.

UM, SO I, I THINK THAT WE'VE STRAYED A LITTLE BIT BECAUSE OF OUR ZONING.

UM, AND I'D JUST LIKE TO SAY THAT AS A PART OF THIS CONVERSATION, SEAN, I THINK THAT DISTRICT PLANNING ZONING ISN'T CRITICAL FOR US TO MAINTAIN THE IMPRESSION AMBIANCE ENVIRONMENT OF, UH, WHAT WAS ANTICIPATED ALONG THIS, UH, SECTION.

UH, HAVING SAID THAT, UM, I, I HAPPEN TO LIKE, UM, ON STREET BIKE LANES BECAUSE I DON'T THINK WE CAN ANTICIPATE, UH, HOW, UM, WELL, TODAY, I, I CAN ANTICIPATE AND ADD A UUA, UM, WEIGH IN, OBVIOUSLY, UH, I THINK THERE ARE A NUMBER OF SERIOUS BIKERS WHO USE POPE AVENUE IN THEIR ROUTE, AND THEY OBVIOUSLY WOULD LIKE TO BE ABLE TO GO AT A FASTER PACE THAN ON A 12 FOOT PATHWAY THAT'S SHARED WITH PEDESTRIANS AND CASUAL BIKERS.

UH, SECONDLY, I, I'M ANTICIPATING THAT, UH, WE WOULD USE THAT ON STREET BIKE LANE, AND I'M NOT SURE HOW IT WOULD BE CONFIGURED TO, TO ACCOMMODATE THIS.

WE HAVE A NUMBER OF PEOPLE WHO, UH, GO UP AND DOWN THIS SECTION ON, UH, OR IN, UH, GOLF CARTS.

UH, I, I DON'T PARTICULARLY THINK THAT THAT'S UN UNDER CONTROL AT THIS POINT, BUT IT IS AN ALTERNATIVE TO AN AUTOMOBILE.

AND, AND I COULD ANTICIPATE THAT AS WE BEGIN TO RETHINK THE PEDESTRIAN ASPECT OF CORDO DOWN TO PALMETTO, UH, DOWN TO, UM, COLIGNY, THAT THAT GOLF CART, UH, USAGE

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MAY INCREASE, UM, ON THE PART OF TOURISTS WHO KEEP THE CART IN THEIR GARAGE AS, SO I'M JUST LOOKING FOR WAYS OF PRESERVING THE MULTIMODAL OPTIONS FOR THIS SECTION OF ROAD FROM SEA PINE CIRCLE DOWN TO COLIGNY.

SO I, I'D BE IN FAVOR OF THINKING THROUGH A PATHWAY FOR PEDESTRIANS AND CASUAL BIKERS, AND THEN ON STREET BIKE LANE FOR MORE SERIOUS OR FOR OTHER OPTIONS.

AND, UM, MOVEMENT.

MY THOUGHTS.

THANK YOU MAYOR, MR. BROWN.

UM, I, I SORT OF AGREE WITH, UH, WITH MR. KINSMAN ON THIS, IT, FOR THE MOST PART OPERATES PRETTY WELL.

UM, AND I SUPPORT THE ON STREET, UH, BIKING AS WELL.

UH, THE ONE PIECE THAT WE HADN'T TALKED ABOUT IN THIS SECTION IS WESTBOUND AND, UM, WITH THE, UH, I GUESS A COMBINATION OF THINGS, UM, FOLKS THAT ARE IN THE POPE AVENUE AREA THAT ARE LOOKING FOR GROCERIES, FOR EXAMPLE, WHERE THEY USED TO HAVE TWO OPTIONS WITH PIGGLY WIGGLY AND BOTTLE.

THEY ONLY HAVE ONE NOW.

SO THERE'S PROBABLY AN INCREASE IN THE TRAFFIC TO HARRIS TEETER.

UM, WITH THE ISLANDERS MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT COMING ONLINE, THERE'LL PROBABLY BE EVEN MORE DEMAND FOR LEFT HAND TURN ONTO SHARK.

IS THAT, AM I SAYING THAT ROAD RIGHT? I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT ROAD IS.

OFFICE PARK.

OFFICE PARK, THANK YOU.

UM, CURRENTLY THERE'S A TREMENDOUS STACKING THERE TO THE POINT WHERE PART OF THE MEDIAN IS BEING RUED AWAY.

UM, SO I THINK THAT THERE'S OPPORTUNITY FOR IMPROVEMENT THERE THAT MAY, YOU KNOW, IT MAY STEAL SOME OF THE MEDIAN.

UM, BUT I THINK THAT'S AN IMPORTANT MOVEMENT THAT WE NEED TO LOOK AT IN THIS EXERCISE AS WELL.

QUESTION, UH, FIRST IS, WOULD THE STATE DOT ALLOW 11 FOOT WIDTH NARROW FOR THEM? THEY WILL ALLOW IT.

THAT'S A SMALL NARROW AS THEY WILL GO AT THIS POINT.

I ALSO FAVOR HAVING A, AN ON-STREET BIKE LANE, UH, THE EXISTING, UH, PEDESTRIAN BIKE PATH, VERY CONGESTED LOCKERS, BUT IT HAS PEOPLE CARRYING WAGONS FULL OF MATERIAL BIKES ON THAT PARTICULAR PATH, CREATES A PROBLEM FOR BOTH AND THE PEDESTRIANS.

SO I, I THINK, YES, PATTY, I'M GONNA PUT YOU ON THE SPOT, BUT WE'VE HAD CONVERSATIONS AD NAUSEUM ON THIS SECTION, RIGHT, ABOUT HOW WE ACCOMMODATE BICYCLISTS AND PEDESTRIANS AND THE BEACH FURNITURE AND THE BEACH WAGONS AND, AND ALL OF THAT.

AND I THINK THERE'S AN OPTION AS WELL THAT YOU MAY BE ABLE TO ARTICULATE THAT IS, IS OFF STREET TRAIL, BUT IT'S WIDE ENOUGH THAT IT IS SEGREGATED INTO PEDESTRIAN WAY AND ALSO CORRECT.

AND I THINK THERE'S SOME THINGS TO THINK ABOUT WITH THESE ON-STREET BIKE LANES, SOME TRADE-OFFS.

WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE LOOKING AT FIVE FOOT BIKE LANE AND WE'RE GONNA NEED A BUFFER DUE TO THE SPEED, POWER AND THE VOLUME ALONG POPE AVENUE, SO WE'RE GONNA NEED A TWO.

SO JUST THINKING ABOUT THAT TRADE OFF OF ADDITIONAL RIGHT AWAY TO MAKE THAT, UM, UM, TO BE NOT ONLY SAFE, WHICH BACK TO THAT, THAT STATISTICS, BUT ALL USERS.

THE OTHER THING IS BRAINSTORMING IS CAN WE EXPAND THE PATHWAY, SHIFT THAT BIKE FACILITY ADJACENT TO THE PATHWAY? SO YOU , UM, SIMILAR TO WHAT WAS DONE IN INDIANAPOLIS CULTURAL, UM, CORRIDOR, THERE HAVE SOME KIND OF, UM, DEDICATED, UM, DIVISION BETWEEN THE PATHWAY AND THE BIKE FACILITY.

HOWEVER, YOU KNOW, WE DO HAVE A LOT OF GUESTS COMING IN AND MAPPING AND WEAVING THROUGH THERE.

UM, SO THOSE ARE JUST SOME OF THE TRADE OFFS AND THINGS TO CONSIDER.

I THINK THOSE ARE SOME INTRIGUING SUGGESTIONS.

I JUST KNOW IF YOU, WHEN YOU DO YOUR COUNT BICYCLES, UM, BUT BACK IN THE DAYS WHEN I USED TO BE A BIKE AMBASSADORS, I DID COUNT BICYCLES ON POPE AVENUE, ONE OF THE HEAVIEST BICYCLE TRAFFIC AREAS IN THE ENTIRE ISLAND.

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A LOT OF 'EM AND IT'S BICYCLISTS.

AND THEN THERE'S BICYCLISTS.

I MEAN, THERE'S, THERE'S FOLKS THAT ARE ON TOUR AND BIKES THAT ARE DOING THEIR MORNING CONSTITUTIONAL, AND THEN THERE'S THE MOMS AND DADS AND THE LITTLE CHICKS WITH THEIR, WITH THEIR RENTAL BIKES.

AND THOSE ARE TWO COMPLETELY DIFFERENT, UM, ATTITUDES OF BIKING.

AND WE DO COUNT BIKE AND PET MOVEMENTS AS PART OF OUR ANNUAL COUNTS.

SO A LOT OF THAT CONVERSATION WITH REGARD TO WIDTH AND SEPARATION WAS WHAT MY LITTLE NOTES HERE, UM, THAT I WROTE DOWN WERE TO REMIND ME OF.

UM, BUT OVERARCHING WAS SOMETHING THAT COUNCILMAN, UM, AMES SAID, IT'S THE ANTICIPATION OF, UM, OF THE AESTHETIC THAT I DON'T WANNA GET LOST IN ALL OF THE ACCOMMODATING OF THE VARIETY OF DIFFERENT TYPES OF BICYCLES AND, UM, GOLF CARTS AND THE REST.

SO MY QUESTION IS TO START, HOW MUCH ADDITIONAL WIDTH BEYOND WHAT'S CURRENTLY THERE, DO YOU NEED TO, UM, TO ACCOMMODATE THE BIKE, LARGER BIKE PATH AND THE SEPARATION? THE BARRIER PIECE, THE PLANTED BARRIER PIECE IS SHOWN IN THE PICTURE THAT'S UP ON THE SCREEN NOW RIGHT NOW IS A TWO FOOT BUFFER.

UM, I THINK THE OTHER TRADE OFF I DIDN'T MENTION WAS, YOU KNOW, WHAT TYPE OF VERTICAL PROTECTION YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT FLEX POSTS.

I MEAN, GIVE AESTHETIC DISCUSSION PLANTERS, OPPORTUNITIES, BOLLARDS THAT GO ALONG THERE, WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE AND THE MAINTENANCE OF THAT FACILITY.

THAT AS WELL.

BUT THAT IS HOW MUCH ADDITIONAL LAND MASS, HOW MUCH ADDITIONAL WIDTH DO YOU NEED ALONG THERE? WELL, AND ADDIE I CAN JUMP IN HERE.

SO WE'VE SHOWN THE RIGHT OF WAY HERE.

UH, WE ALSO HAVE PATHWAY EASEMENTS THAT ARE OUTSIDE OF THE RIGHT OF WAY.

AND SO, UM, AS AS SHOWN HERE, UH, WE DON'T NEED ANY ADDITIONAL WIDTH IN THE CROSS SECTION OR THE TYPICAL HERE TO ACCOMMODATE THAT.

AND, UM, BECAUSE OUR PATHWAYS ARE EXECUTED OUTSIDE THE RIGHT OF WAY AND PATHWAY EASEMENTS, UM, AS YOU KNOW, IN THIS SECTION BETWEEN, UM, SEA PINE CIRCLE AND CORDO, THE PATHWAYS ARE SEPARATED, I WOULD SAY MORE SIGNIFICANTLY THAN MOST, UM, AREAS ON THE ISLAND.

AND SO, UM, THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY HERE TO IMPLEMENT THIS CROSS-SECTION AS AS DEFINED.

SO THE TWO VERTICAL LINES, THERE'S THE SPACE OUTSIDE OF EACH OF THEM, BOTH LEFT AND RIGHT, THAT'S NOT ADDITIONAL LAND NESTS THAT'S NEEDED TO ACCOMMODATE THE LARGER BIKE PATH.

UH, CORRECT.

AND, AND AGAIN, WE HAVE THE, WE HAVE A HUNDRED FOOT RIGHT OF WAY MM-HMM, IN THAT SECTION.

AND WE'VE GOT PATHWAY EASEMENTS OUTSIDE OF THE RIGHT OF WAY ON BOTH SIDES, UM, TO ACCOMMODATE THAT, RIGHT, THAT CONDITION CONDITION.

SO WHAT WOULD BE, SO WHAT WOULD THE AESTHETIC LOOK LIKE THEN WHEN YOU'RE COMING DOWN THE ROAD? WOULD IT BE MORE MA UH, AN OPEN SPACE, A, A LARGER MASS OF TR CARS, TRAFFIC BIKES, WHATEVER? OR DOES IT MEAN TAKING DOWN TREES? THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING IS TOGGLE IF I CAN, BETWEEN THOSE SECTIONS, WHICH IS SECTION SHOULDER, THE SHOULDER ON BOTH SIDES WOULD LARGELY BE TAKEN UP BY THIS ON STREET PATH.

BUT THIS OVERALL SECTION DOES INCREASE BY FEET, NOT BY TENS OF FEET.

AND IF I'LL JUMP IN, IF YOU JUST LOOK AT THIS RIGHT HERE, YOU LOOK AT THOSE VERTICAL LINES AND THOSE HORIZONTAL DIMENSIONS.

MM-HMM, , YOU'RE PROBABLY 12 FEET WIDER.

I THINK THAT'S RIGHT OVERALL, O OVERALL SIX, SIX ON EACH SIDE.

AND YOU ALSO HAVE SOME, ALSO HAVE SOME, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT PROPOSING WE GO IN THERE AND RECONSTRUCT POPE AVENUE.

WE, WE, WE NEED TO FIX SOME OTHER PRIORITIES FIRST AND FOREMOST.

UM, BUT IF WE'RE LOOKING AT AN ADDITIONAL WIDTH OF PATHWAY, UH, RESETTING OF THE BUFFER, A LOTS OF THIS IS PAINT, IT'S A BUCKET OR A COUPLE HUNDRED BUCKETS OF PAINT BECAUSE YOU, WE HAVE SO MUCH WIDTH.

IF YOU DRIVE DOWN POPE TODAY, YOU CAN SEE WHERE THE OLD LINES WERE AND THE NEW LINES WERE.

THERE'S SO MUCH ROOM WITHIN THAT PAVEMENT TO ACTUALLY SLOW, SLOW THE CARS THROUGH A, A, A NARROWER LANE AND THEN START ADJUSTING THOSE SHOULDERS.

THERE'S GONNA BE SOME, SOME CONSTRUCTION OF COURSE WITH THE, WITH THE WIDER PATHWAY.

'CAUSE IF THIS CONCEPT IS WHERE YOUR HEADS ARE AT, JUST LIKE MAIN STREET, WE CAN MOVE FORWARD AND START SOLIDIFYING WHERE YOUR THOUGHTS ARE AND START KNOWING THAT WE'RE GOING TO APPROACH 11 FOOT LANES, UH, 12 ISH FOOT PATHWAY AND A BIKE LANE BIKES, AND CAN TELL YOU, YOU'RE USED TO LISTENING TO MY QUESTION.

AND AGAIN, THAT'S A 12 FOOT PATHWAY.

SHOULD COUNCIL SAY, DON'T TAKE ANY TREES DOWN, THEN WE'RE GONNA MEANDER PATHWAYS BETWEEN WHAT'S THERE NOW AND 10 TO 12 FEET AS WELL.

SO IS THE CONCEPT, RIGHT? NOT SO MUCH THE EXACT NUMBER.

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SO THANK YOU, UM, FOR THAT INFORMATION BECAUSE IT, IT ADDRESSES WHAT I WAS ASKING.

UM, AND TO THE POINT WITH REGARD TO PUTTING BIKE, UM, LANES ON THE ROADWAY, I'M NOT IN FAVOR.

I WASN'T IN FAVOR AND IT, UH, OF IT ON MAIN STREET.

UM, IF THERE'S A WAY, AS YOU'VE MENTIONED, TO BE ABLE TO INCORPORATE THAT IN ON THE PATHWAY OF THE BIKE PATH, THEN I WOULD PREFER IT WAS SET IN THAT, IN THAT SPACE.

AND THERE'S NOTHING TO PROHIBIT, WHICH IS ONE OF THE BIGGER CONCERNS IS NOTHING TO PROHIBIT, UM, ANY VARIETY OF BIKE RIDER FROM USING THE ONLINE ON ROAD BIKE PATH.

AND I, I WORRY ABOUT PEOPLE'S SENSIBILITIES SOMETIMES, ESPECIALLY WHEN THAT IN THAT VACATION MODE.

SO, UM, NOT IN FAVOR OF THAT IDEA AT ALL.

UM, SO I'LL LEAVE IT AT THAT.

MR. SANFORD, I, I AGREE WITH THE MAJORITY OF MY COLLEAGUES HERE WHO I THINK HAVE SAID THEY FAVOR THE ON STREET BIKE LANES THAT WOULD BE FOR THE SPANDEX CROWD.

UH, THE, THE OUTSIDE LANES WOULD BE USED FOR THE MAMAS AND THE PAPAS, UH, AND PUSHING, UH, CARRIAGES AS WELL AS RIDING RENTAL BICYCLES.

UM, I THINK THAT THAT WOULD WORK BETTER IN THIS AREA.

ALRIGHT, SO, OH, GO AHEAD, AHEAD.

UM, I WANTED TO ADD A COUPLE THINGS.

UH, FIRST OF ALL, WE KNOW THAT THERE ARE SOME SECTIONS OF THE, UM, BIKE PATH THAT ARE ACTUALLY HIGHER THAN THE ROAD, AND THERE'S SOME GRADE ISSUES THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO DEAL WITH.

THE MEDIAN HAS SOME PLACES WHERE IT'S FOUR FEET LOWER, AND SO WE'RE GONNA HAVE DRAINAGE ISSUES AND SO ON.

SO THIS IS SOMEWHAT OVERSIMPLIFIED.

TWO, TWO POINTS.

I WANNA MAKE ONE, UM, I QUESTION WHETHER OR NOT WE OUGHT TO BE SHOOTING FOR 25 MILES AN HOUR, AGAIN, TO HAVE A TRANSITION FROM SEA PINE CIRCLE TO COLIGNY AND PREPARE PEOPLE FOR WHAT HAPPENS THAT YOU'RE PROPOSING COR CORD LAW.

UM, SECONDLY, I THINK THAT IF YOU TAKE, IF YOU USE THE 11 FOOT DRIVE LANE, I'M, I'M IN FAVOR OF THAT, BUT I THINK THE ON STREET BIKE LANE SHOULD BE MORE THAN SEVEN FEET, AND I WOULD ROB THE 12 FEET TO 10 FEET TO, TO MAKE THAT WORK.

AGAIN, I THINK WE ARE BUILDING A ROAD THAT IS GOING TO BE MULTIMODAL, AND WE HAVE TO, WE HAVE TO THINK ABOUT THAT TODAY.

ALL RIGHT, SO, UM, GOING BACK TO A COUPLE OF THINGS EARLIER.

UM, I I, I'M NOT IN AGREEANCE OF, OF, UH, SHUTTING DOWN THE EXITS FROM HOLY FAMILY ST.

LUKE'S, AND THEN ALSO THE RIGHT TURN, TURN IN RIGHT, TURN OUT ONTO EXECUTIVE PARK ROAD.

I DON'T SEE THE NEED FOR THAT.

UM, YOU KNOW, BUT YOU'VE GOT A STOPLIGHT RIGHT THERE THAT NATURALLY, YOU KNOW, ALLOWS PEOPLE TO FLOW.

AND I THINK THAT JUST CREATES A BETTER PATTERN GOING THROUGH THAT AREA.

UM, I, I'M NOT A HUGE FAN OF THE ON STREET BIKE PARK BIKE LANE.

THE ONLY THING I LIKE ABOUT IT IS, IS THE SEPARATION DURING ST.

PATRICK'S DAY PARADE TO KEEP THE KIDS PACKED.

THAT'S THE ONLY I WOULD LIKE ABOUT THAT.

UM, BUT IF YOU'RE ABLE TO DO IT IN A DIFFERENT WAY THAT THAT ALLOWS IT TO BE OUTSIDE OF THAT BUFFER, THEN, THEN, UM, THEN THAT'S, THEN THAT'S SOMETHING TO LOOK AT.

THEY'LL, THEY'LL BE OUTSIDE, THEY'LL BE ON THE ROADS OUTSIDE OF PATHWAYS, NOT ON BIKE LANES IF OUR INFRASTRUCTURE REMAINS THE SAME.

THANK YOU SO MUCH.

UH, NOW FROM CORDO TO KAGEY CIRCLE, IF I COULD JUST SAY ONE LAST THING, AND IT'S GONNA BE SOMETHING THAT WE'RE GOING IF IS, SO AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE'D LIKE TO ADOPT THIS THOROUGHFARE PLAN SO THAT WE ACTUALLY JUST HAVE THE DOCUMENT IN HAND AND WE START IMPLEMENTING ONE OR TWO OR FIVE PROJECTS AT A TIME THROUGH OUR CAPITAL PROGRAM AND ENCROACHMENT PERMITS TO DOT WHATNOT.

WHAT'S GOING TO BE IMPORTANT IS THAT WE START ADDRESSING ON STREET BIKE LANES VERSUS WIDER PATHWAYS BECAUSE OF E-BIKES, RIGHT? IF WE'RE GONNA SPEND ALL THIS TIME AND ENERGY, UH, TO REALLY RETHINK OUR SYSTEM, OUR ROAD AND OUR PATHWAY SYSTEM, WE HAVE TO CONSIDER E-BIKES.

WE COULD STRIPE PATHWAYS FOR E-BIKES OR PUT THEM ON THE ROAD.

THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT OPTIONS.

AND THAT IS ONE, ONE THING THAT, THAT, THAT SEAN AND I, AND I'LL ASK BRIAN KINSMAN AND AND TEAM TO TAKE A LOOK AT IS BEST PRACTICES IN THE WORLD ON HOW FOLKS ARE ADDRESSING E-BIKES.

MOST COMMUNITIES DON'T HAVE THE BOULEVARD AND THE WILLIAM HILTON PARKWAY THAT WE HAVE, THEY, THEY HAVE STREETS, E-BIKES ARE ON STREETS.

UM, BUT IF WE DON'T PROVIDE FOR THEM, THEY'LL BE ON THE ROADS.

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I I SEE YOU SHAKING YOUR HEAD.

YEAH, I TOOK, I I TOOK A BOLD RISK AND SAID THAT NOT EVEN KNOWING IF YOU'D SHAKE YOUR HEAD YES AND NO, SHE'S OUR EXPERT.

AGAIN, OPPORTUNITIES TO CONNECTIONS, PEDESTRIAN CONNECTIONS.

SO I, I DO KNOW THAT IS A SIGNIFICANT ISSUE.

I'VE, I'VE READ A LOT ABOUT IT AND I JUST WANT TO ENCOURAGE US TO DEAL WITH IT.

SO IN THAT RESEARCH, IT'D BE INTERESTING TO KNOW, IS THERE SOME WAY TO LIMIT IT JUST TO E-BIKES IN THAT BIKE PATH, WHICH MIGHT BE A DIFFERENT CONVERSATION.

RIGHT? BUT, AND ESPECIALLY BECAUSE IN SOUTH CAROLINA, AN E-BIKE, FOR THE MOST PART, IT'S A BIKE, RIGHT? I WOULD LIKE TO SEE WHAT, WHAT ADDIE WOULD COME BACK WITH .

THAT'S RIGHT.

THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I, THAT'S, THAT'S, I LOOK TO YOU ON THIS ONE, UH, CORD TO, TO, UH, KIG AGAIN, WE GOT CORD SIGNALED.

LAGOON ROAD IS SIGNALED, AND WE'VE GOT A, A NUMBER OF UNSIGNED, UH, INTERSECTIONS, MOST PART, UH, ALL THE WAY TO THE CIRCLE.

UM, THE, AGAIN, THE YELLOW DOTS ARE THE PRIVATE PROPERTY CURB CUTS A LOT OF COMMERCIAL ON THAT, UH, NORTH SIDE OF THE STREET AND SECTION ON THIS SECTION, THIS IS LOOKING TOWARDS THE BEACH.

SO ON THE RIGHT SIDE IS LOWCOUNTRY CELEBRATION WITH ITS PATHWAY.

THOSE ARE 12 FOOT DRIVE LANES PLANTED ON THE COMMERCIAL SIDE OF THINGS.

IT VARIES FROM TIME TO TIME.

AGAIN, WE'RE LOOKING AT A SNAPSHOT, NOT IN, NOT IMPLANTED.

AGAIN, IT'S A HUNDRED FOOT RIGHT OF WAY.

SO WE'VE GOT THE PUBLIC GROUND.

SO FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION, ADDIE, I'LL LET YOU SPEAK TO SOME OF THESE PATHWAYS AND THE CROSSINGS AND SURE.

I THINK THIS REALLY SETS UP THINKING ABOUT WHAT IS THE ROLE OF THIS SEGMENT OF POPE AVENUE.

WHAT DO YOU WANT IT TO DO AND HOW DO YOU WANT IT TO FUNCTION? IS IT FOR LOCAL TRIPS? IS IT FOR THROUGH TRIPS? IS IT FOR BOTH? UM, IT REALLY PROVIDES, IT'S A REALLY DIFFERENT CHARACTER WITH A LOT OF, UM, PEOPLE COMING AND PARKING AND GOING TO THE BEACH PARKS.

HOW DO WE BEGIN TO ACCOMMODATE THOSE? ONE OF THE THOUGHTS WE HAD WAS TO PROVIDE, UH, TABLE INTERSECTION.

THIS NOT ONLY HELPS PROVIDE THE VISIBILITY TO THE PEDESTRIAN CROSSING, BUT IT ALSO KIND OF SETS THAT GATEWAY IN MOTION.

A VERY SPECIAL PLACE.

YOU NEED TO BE ON THE LOOKOUT FOR ALL THE MOBILITY OPTIONS THAT ARE HAPPENING ALONG THE STREET.

SO REALLY BEGINNING TO START NOT ONLY PHYSICALLY DEFINING THIS, THIS IS A DIFFERENT SPACE, BUT ALSO LOOKING AT HOW THE CONTEXT AROUND IT WILL, WILL DO IT.

SO LOOKING AT EXPANDING THE PATHWAYS, UM, TO 16 FEET WHERE POSSIBLE THROUGH HERE, KNOWING THAT THERE'S A LOT OF VOLUME, PEDESTRIAN AND BICYCLE VOLUME GOING TO THE BEACH AND ACCESSING, UM, ADDITIONAL CONNECTIONS AND CROSSINGS ACROSS POPE AVENUE SUGGESTS ALSO NOT JUST 12 FOOT, UH, UH, MULTI-USE TRAILS, AS WE SUGGESTED IN THE OTHER SEGMENT, BUT THIS IS 16 FEET WIDE, AGAIN, TO, TO ACCOMMODATE THAT, UH, TOURIST TRAFFIC AND THE MOVEMENTS FROM THE BEACH PARKING, UH, DOWN TO, UM, UH, NEY BEACH PARK AND ONTO THE BEACH.

SO THIS, YOU'LL SEE IN THIS SECTION, THIS BECOMES PRETTY WIDE SECTION, UH, LAGOON ROAD, AS WE KNOW, IS, UM, PROBLEMATIC.

THERE'S NO SMOOTH MOTION THERE.

COME TOUR SEASON FOR VEHICLES OR FOR BICYCLISTS OR FOR PEDESTRIANS.

SO, UM, JONATHAN ADDIE CAN SPEAK TO SOME OF THOSE THOUGHTS RELATIVE TO MAYBE AN ALL STOP PEDESTRIANS GO TYPE OF SIGNALIZATION AT LAGOON TO GET THOSE PEDESTRIAN MOTIONS.

GOT THE FLASHING BEACONS SUGGESTED.

UH, I WON'T, I WON'T TRY TO PRONOUNCE THE RRFB.

I JUST CALL THEM FLASHING BEACONS.

BLOCK CROSSWALK AT WHICH LOT IS LARGELY AT THE ENCHILADAS LOT.

UM, AGAIN, WE'VE GOT THESE, UM, PRIVATE PROPERTY CURB CUTS, UH, ATTEMPTING TO, THERE'S OPPORTUNITIES.

THERE HAVE BEEN, SOME OF THEM HAVE BEEN CONSOLIDATED WITH THE, UH, WITH THE MARRIOTT HOTEL, BUT WE STILL HAVE SOME, UH, A FAIR AMOUNT OF THEM ON THAT

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ROADWAY LAYOUT.

AT KAGEY CIRCLE, WE'VE GOT ONE OF THE QUADRANTS THAT IS WALKWAY DIRECTLY ADJACENT TO, UH, JONATHAN, ANYTHING IN THIS, UH, SLIDE THAT YOU CAN OPINE ON? I THINK THE ONLY THING TO BRING UP WOULD BE ED SCRAMBLE, UM, YOU KNOW, OPERATIONS THERE, WHICH BASICALLY ALLOWS, UH, PEDESTRIANS NOT TO MOVE, UH, AS THEY'RE DIRECTED CROSSING IN A SINGULAR, BUT YOU CAN GO DIAGONAL.

UM, REALLY, IT, IT JUST KIND OF HELPS MORE PEDESTRIANS MOVE IN A SMALLER AMOUNT OF TIME.

AND THEN, AND IT'S A MORE CONTROLLED MOVEMENT FROM THAT, THAT GIVEN THIS AREA, GIVEN THE SPEEDS, THAT'S ONE THING THAT, UH, WOULD HAVE A TREMENDOUS IMPACT TO MOVEMENT THROUGH THIS AREA.

AND RELATED TO PEDESTRIAN CROSSINGS.

THAT CROSSING IS, IS VERY CLOSE TO THE CIRCLE.

UH, SO WANTED TO POINT THAT OUT AS WELL.

YEAH, WE'LL SPEAK TO ITS BROTHER OVER HERE ON NORTH FOREST BEACH.

'CAUSE WE'RE SUGGESTING THAT, AGAIN, THAT'S IN A FUTURE SLIDE JUST TO GET THOSE, THAT MID-BLOCK CROSSING AWAY FROM THOSE FOLKS THAT ARE MAKING THAT TURN OUT OF THE CIRCLE.

SO THE SCRAMBLE WOULD BE TO JONATHAN'S POINT WHERE WE STOP, IT'S ALL STOP VEHICLES AND PEDESTRIANS AND BICYCLISTS CAN, CAN GO ACROSS THE, UH, THE INFIELD OF THE INTERSECTION IF THEY SO CHOOSE.

AND THEN AUTOMOBILES GO BACK ONTO THE, UH, OPTIONS FOR CONSIDERATION.

JUMP IN FOR A SECOND.

CERTAINLY.

YEAH, I WANNA FOCUS JUST A LITTLE BIT MORE ON THAT LAGOON ROAD INTERSECTION.

UM, CERTAINLY HAVE HEARD THAT THERE'S CONGESTION THERE.

UM, AND A LOT OF IT IS BECAUSE OF THE CONFLICT BETWEEN BIKING PET MOVEMENTS AND VEHICULAR MOVEMENTS.

IT'S ALSO, UM, REALLY RESTRICTED SPACE ON LAGOON ROAD TO HAVE ADEQUATE STACKING AND, AND TO ALLOW, UM, LEFT TURNS TO OCCUR THERE.

AND SO, UM, WHAT THE, WHAT WE'VE ASKED THE TEAM TO TAKE A LOOK AT IS THE PEDESTRIAN ONLY SIGNAL.

AND THIS GETS INTO THE, AS I SAY, IT SCATTER, BUT IT'S SCRAMBLE.

IT'S SCRAMBLE LIKE TO TRY TO MOVE PEDESTRIANS DIFFERENTLY IN THAT AREA.

'CAUSE THERE'S SUCH A HIGH VOLUME, UM, IS IT'S AN ALL STOP.

AND THEN PEDESTRIANS CAN GO ANY WHICH DIRECTION, UM, THEY WANT FOR A PERIOD.

SO IT REDUCES THE DELAY FOR VEHICLES.

UM, THE ON STREET OR THE, THE LAGOON ROAD GEOMETRY ON THAT SIDE.

THERE'S SOME ON STREET PARKING THAT PULLS 90 DEGREES IN AND BACKS OUT.

I THINK WE SHOULD HAVE CONVERSATIONS WITH SOME PROPERTY OWNERS IN THE FIRST FEW HUNDRED FEET TO IDENTIFY WAYS TO GET SOME ADDITIONAL, UM, STACKING QUEUE AND SOME MORE TURN MOVEMENTS IN THAT AREA.

UM, BUT, BUT LOOKING AT ALL DIFFERENT WAYS TO MOVE BIKE AND PEDESTRIANS THROUGH THERE DIFFERENTLY, MORE EFFICIENTLY.

AND THEN, UH, GEOMETRIC CHANGES, UM, THAT COULD BE CONSIDERED AT THAT SIGNALED INTERSECTION.

SEAN, IF YOU GO A LITTLE BIT FURTHER TO THE, UH, NORTH ON LAGOON AS WELL, THERE'S SOME PLAZA SIDE ON STREET PARKING AS WELL.

UH, VERY LITTLE PEDESTRIAN ACCOMMODATION ON THE OTHER SIDE.

PARKING.

MAY I ASK YOU A QUESTION? SO THE RED SQUIGGLY LINE THAT IS, CAN YOU JUST TELL ME WHAT THAT IS? THAT RED SQUIGGLY LINE? MM-HMM.

RIGHT NOW, THERE IS AN EXISTING TRAIL THAT HUGS THE, THE EDGE OF THIS, UH, CIRCLE PAVEMENT, CORRECT.

AND IT'S NOT TERRIBLY COMFORTABLE AND IT'S VERY BUSY BECAUSE THAT IS A HIGH VOLUME TRAIL FOR PEOPLE CROSSING TO GO TO THE BEACH.

THIS SUGGESTS THAT SINCE THIS IS TOWN OWNED GROUND, THAT THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO TAKE THAT TRAIL AWAY FROM THE EDGE OF PAVEMENT AND ALLOW FOR A LITTLE BIT MORE CIVILIZED WAY OF GETTING ACROSS NORTH FOREST BEACH.

WAS THIS THE WRONG PLACE? SOMEBODY WHO REMEMBERS BETTER THAN I DO? I THOUGHT THERE WAS SOMETHING THAT CAME FORTH IN THE LAST SEVERAL MONTHS ABOUT THE DEVELOPMENT OF THAT CORNER, THE REDEVELOPMENT OF THAT CORNER.

SO THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING, THAT'S PART OF IT, THAT IT, SO THIS IS PART OF THAT PLAN.

THE, THE STABILIZATION OF THAT LAST QUADRANT, AS WELL AS ADDRESSING THAT STORM WATER.

WE'LL INCLUDE PULLING THE PATHWAY OFF THERE.

OKAY, SO THIS IS ALL PART OF THAT, MA'AM.

WE CALL

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THAT COLIGNY POCKET PARK OR SOMETHING.

ALL STOP, IT WAS IN A BIG CITY AND ALL OF A SUDDEN PEOPLE WERE GOING ALL OVER AND I COULDN'T UNDERSTAND WHAT WAS GOING ON.

BUT YEAH, THAT REPRESENTS THE CIRCULATION.

YES, MA'AM.

SO HERE'S OPTIONAL ROADWAY SECTIONS.

UH, AS WE TALKED ABOUT THE OTHER SEGMENT, AGAIN, YOU GOT LOW COUNTRY CELEBRATION ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THIS IMAGE.

THIS IS LOOKING TOWARD THE BEACH, UH, SLIGHTLY DOWNSIZING THOSE TRAVEL LANES, PROVIDING THAT BUFFER SPACE ON THE PARK SIDE.

THAT BUFFER SPACE COULD BE MORE STREET SCAPE ELEMENTS THAN LUXURY OF A BEAUTIFUL PARK TO THE RIGHT SIDE.

12 FOOT PATH ON THE PARK SIDE OF, OF THIS SECTION.

AND A 16 FOOT WIDE PATH ON THE COMMERCIAL SIDE OF THIS ALSO SUGGESTS, AS YOU CAN SEE WITH PEDESTRIANS AND BICYCLISTS, THAT IS WIDE ENOUGH THAT THAT COULD BE SEGREGATED.

AS WE'VE DISCUSSED BEFORE OF PEDESTRIANS HERE, A STRIKE FOR PEDESTRIANS IN SHARING THE SAME PIECE OF PAPER.

OPTION TWO, THIS IS AGAIN, AS WE'VE TALKED ABOUT, PUTTING BIKE LANES ON STREETS AND ROW A BIT.

AGAIN, WE'VE GOT LOW COUNTRY IN THIS PARTICULAR SECTION.

WE'VE GOT LOW COUNTRY CELEBRATION ON THIRD TOWN OWNED PROPERTY ON THAT SIDE OF THE STREET PROPERTIES ON THE, UH, SO ON STREET BIKE LANES, UH, EVERYTHING OFF STREET COMBINATION THEREOF.

DOES THAT HAVE TO BE 16 FEET ON COMMERCIAL SIDE IF WE'VE GOT ON STREET BIKE LANES AS WELL? PROBABLY NOT.

THE ANSWER'S LIKELY SOMEPLACE IN BETWEEN.

BUT FOR YOUR, UH, CONSIDERATION AND FOR YOUR OPINION, I THINK YOU TALKED SPOKE ABOUT, UM, 25 MILES PER HOUR THROUGH THIS SEGMENT, 25 MILES AN HOUR.

THIS IS A 30 MILE AN HOUR, UH, POSTED SPEED FROM COUNCILMAN AMES IS COMMENTS OR COULDN'T AGREE MORE, THIS WOULD BE ALL RIGHT, MR. BROWN, SIR.

UM, OBVIOUSLY THIS IS, UH, ULTRA SENSITIVE AREA.

UM, NOT QUITE SURE THAT YOU CAN GO 30 MILES PER HOUR THROUGH THERE UNLESS IT'S FOUR O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING WHEN CALLING THOSE OUT, CHECKING STUFF.

UM, SO I AGREE WITH REDUCING THE SPEED LIMIT, BUT I THINK IT'S HAPPENING NATURALLY HERE.

UM, I ALSO AGREE WITH THE PRIORITIZATION OF PEDESTRIAN AND BICYCLE MOVEMENTS IN THIS AREA VERSUS VEHICULAR.

UM, BUT I ALSO DON'T WANNA LOSE SIGHT OF THE, UM, COMMERCIAL IN THIS AREA.

I MEAN, IT IS A THING.

I MEAN, WE CAN'T IGNORE THAT.

UM, SO THE, THE, THE SORT OF IDEA OF THE CONSOLIDATION OF CURB CUTS AND THAT SORT OF THING, UM, REALLY A NONSTARTER FOR ME.

BUT I'D LEAN ON, YOU KNOW, OTHERS THAT REPRESENT THAT AREA.

BUT I JUST KNOW FROM TRAVELING IT EVERY DAY, UM, YOU KNOW, IT IS A THING, YOU KNOW, MULTIPLE OPTIONS FOR THOSE THAT ARE VISITING THAT AREA DOES MEAN SOMETHING, UH, TO THE END USER AND TO THE, THE OWNERS.

UH, SO I WOULD JUST CAUTION US ON, ON THAT PIECE OF IT.

UM, BUT AGAIN, I JUST REITERATE ANY IMPROVEMENTS THAT WE CAN MAKE AS FAR AS THE CROSSINGS ARE CONCERNED FOR PEDESTRIANS AND BICYCLISTS.

UM, THE BET OFF WOULD BE IN THIS AREA.

ONE THING I KEEP BRINGING BACK TO MY MIND IS THERE ARE CURRENTLY RESTRICTED MOTIONS ON POPE AVENUE BECAUSE OF A LARGELY CONTINUOUS MEAT OUT OF ENCHILADAS AND TURN TOWARDS THE BEACH YOU'VE GOT OR DILLO AND MAKE A U-TURN QUITE WELL TAKEN.

DON'T DISAGREE WITH THAT.

I AGREE WITH THE EMPHASIS ON, UH, LAGOON ROAD, UH, TOO NARROW.

YOU'VE GOT BIKES AND CARS COMING FROM TOO, TOO MANY DIFFERENT DIRECTIONS, INCLUDING OUT OF THE PARKING LOT ON FROM THE, OKAY, MR. STANFORD, I REMEMBER THE FIRST TIME I ENCOUNTERED

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A LOT OF PEOPLE WERE MOVING THROUGH THE INTERSECTION, SO I LOVE THAT IDEA.

UM, AND I STILL THINK WE DID ON STREET BIKE LANES, BUT THAT'S MY COMMENT.

IT WORKS WELL IN TOKYO AND IN NEW YORK AND IN BOSTON, SO WOULD PROBABLY WORK HERE.

OKAY, MS. BECK, I KIND OF THINK IS, IS GONNA BE THE BASIS OF MY COMMENT.

UM, SO FUNDAMENTALLY WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE SAFE INTERSECTIONS AND ROADWAYS.

UM, I THINK THAT EVERYONE HAS HEARD THAT THE REDUCTION IN SPEED ACROSS THE ISLAND ON ALL OF OUR ROADWAYS IS APPROPRIATE AND HOPEFULLY WE CAN CONTINUE TO SEE THOSE DROP.

BUT WE ARE A SMALL TOWN, AND SO, UM, EVERY TIME WE ADD MORE AND MORE TO ACCOMMODATE MORE AND MORE, UM, WE LOSE WHO WE ARE.

AND SO, UM, WHILE THESE ARE ALL CONCEPTUAL, THAT IS THE MAIN FOCUS, UM, RIGHT AFTER SAFETY TO ME, IS TO MAKE SURE WE, WE DO NOT LOSE THE SMALL TOWN FIELD.

THAT WE DON'T BECOME AN URBANIZED CITY, WHICH SOME PEOPLE SEEM TO LIKE TO KEEP, CONTINUE TO CALL US MORE FREQUENTLY, WHICH IS FRIGHTENING.

WE ARE A SMALL TOWN.

UM, AND SO THOSE ARE THE THINGS THAT MAYAS ARE ON SAFETY AND MAKING SURE WE DON'T LOSE OUR APPEAL.

MAYOR, UM, I'M WHOLEHEARTEDLY BEHIND ESTABLISHING A PEDESTRIAN, UH, PRIORITY, BUT I WILL ASK THE QUESTION.

UM, DOES IT MAKE SENSE TO INITIATE IT FURTHER DOWN TOWARDS COLIGNY BECAUSE THE CHARACTER CHANGES DRAMATICALLY AT THE POINT THAT YOU GO BEYOND AU UH, UP BEFORE THAT POINT, YOU HAVE WILD WINGS, WHICH IS BEHIND SOME TREES.

YOU HAVE WATERSIDE, WHICH IS A FAIRLY HIGH DENSITY DEVELOPMENT, AND YOU HAVE THE BANK.

TO ME, THOSE ARE OF DIFFERENT QUALITY CHARACTER THAN WHAT HAPPENS AFTER NASSAU.

UH, SECONDARILY, I THINK THAT, UM, WE HAVE TO BE VERY CAREFUL THAT WE, THAT WE DON'T IMPINGE ON BUSINESSES MORE THAN THE BALANCE THAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACHIEVE HERE.

AND SO I, I THINK IT MAY MAKE SENSE TO REDUCE THE SORT OF PEDESTRIAN PRIORITY AREA.

UM, SO, UH, I'M THINKING THAT IF WILD WINGS WERE TO HAPPEN TO BECOME, UH, PARKING AND ENCHILADAS PARKING, UH, WOULD WE WANT THAT TRAFFIC TO BE IN THE PEDESTRIAN AREA OR OUTSIDE THE PEDESTRIAN AREA? SO, UH, JUST A THOUGHT, BUT I I, I HAVEN'T WRESTLED TO GROUND, UH, THIS WHOLE ISSUE OF THE PRACTICALITY OF BUSINESS MOVEMENTS, WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH WHEN WE HAVE SO FEW OPTIONS TO MOVE TRUCKS, TO MOVE CARS, GOING TO BUSINESSES, AND SO ON AND SO FORTH.

SO I JUST, I JUST RAISED THAT WITH A LITTLE BIT OF A RED FLAG AND SAY, OKAY, LET'S TALK TO BUSINESSES AND REALLY UNDERSTAND WHAT CURTAILING FREE MOVEMENT, IIE AUTOMOBILE FREE MOVEMENT, UM, IN THIS AREA.

THOSE WOULD BE MY COMMENTS.

OH, I'D, I'D, I'D KEEP, I'D KEEP THE CROSS SECTION ON THE ROAD BASICALLY THE SAME AS THE OTHER, WHATEVER, WHATEVER'S DECIDED THERE.

ALRIGHT, SO, UH, FIRST OF I'LL, UH, RESPONSE FROM MS. BRYSON COULD BE A LOT OF FUN.

NO, JUST KIDDING.

UM, SO AT THE LAGOON ROAD LIGHT, UM, SHE DID INDICATE THAT SHE WOULD PREFER AN ALL STOP THERE.

UM, DIDN'T REALLY SAY IF IT WAS A SCATTER, BUT IT WAS A GIVEN.

GIVE THE OPPORTUNITY FOR WHATEVER IT'S CALLED.

CROSSING AT NEY PLAZA IS A, IS A TWIN TO CORRECT ONE THAT WE HAVE AT, AT, AT UH, AT, AT SOUTH FOREST BEACH.

UM, SCRAMBLE SCATTER THE OTHER WAY.

SCATTER SCRAMBLE.

UM, BUT, BUT TO ALLOW MOVEMENT FROM ONE CORNER TO THE OTHER, FROM FROM, FROM ALL PEDESTRIANS AT THE SAME TIME.

SO, UM, WHETHER IT'S A SCRAMBLE OR A SCATTER OR A JIG, UM, , IT, IT'LL, IT'LL, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHAT SHE'S LOOKING FOR.

UM, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE ELEVATED, UM, THE ELEVATED, UM, TABLE.

TABLE, THANK YOU.

UM, IS IT POSSIBLE TO PUT THE PUCK LIGHTING IN THOSE INSTEAD OF THE RFPS? IF IT SOMETHING TO, SOMETHING TO LOOK AT, SOMETHING TO LOOK AT.

AND I UNDERSTAND WHY IT WASN'T ALLOWED IN OTHER AREAS, BUT YOU KNOW, IT IS A WALKING DISTRICT.

UM, SO TO, TO KIND OF CREATE THAT AT A LOWER LEVEL.

UH, ELEVATED PEOPLE ARE WALKING ACROSS

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THAT.

SO, UM, I, I THINK THAT WOULD BE GOOD.

I AGREE.

BE CAREFUL WITH, UM, SHUTTING DOWN, YOU KNOW, THE ACCESS POINTS, UM, IN THAT AREA.

I THINK IT'S, IT'S VERY CHALLENGING, BUT HOW YOU'VE MOVED EVERYTHING ELSE AROUND, UH, YOU KNOW, I'M, I'M GOOD WITH SO, WELL, WE'RE ALMOST THERE FOLKS.

ALMOST, UH, NOW NORTH AND SOUTH FOREST BEACH DRIVES.

UM, WE'VE LOOKED AT THOSE FROM, UH, UH, ON THE SOUTH FROM, UM, COLIGNY TO, UH, DE LEON AVENUE AND ON THE NORTH, UH, TO, FROM THE CIRCLE TO ASET.

WE'VE GOT A LOT OF BEACH TRAFFIC, UH, PEDESTRIAN BEACH TRAFFIC THERE.

AS WE ALL KNOW.

WE'VE GOT SOME UNSIGNED PEDESTRIAN CROSSINGS.

YOU CAN LOOK AT THOSE.

UM, WIDE CROSSING DISTANCE, CERTAINLY ON SOUTH FOREST BEACH BECAUSE THAT IS SUCH A WIDE ROADWAY SECTION, LACK OF BEACH SIDE PATHWAY AND SOUTH FOREST BEACH, HIGH VOLUME, UH, BIKE AND PEDESTRIAN CROSSINGS, AGAIN FROM BEACH PARKING GOING TO, AND THE RESORTS AND THE TIMESHARES AND EVERYTHING, AND THE CONFLICT POINTS, WHICH ARE NOT INSIGNIFICANT.

THIS CIRCLE TO JAY GUY'S EARLIER COMMENT.

THIS IS, UH, THIS, THE BIG CIRCLE.

THERE ARE SOME VISIBILITY ISSUES, CROSSINGS CURRENTLY, IF I CAN GET MY, HAD A HAWK SIGNAL THAT I PROCESS FOLKS PRETTY DOGGONE SAFELY FROM THE BEACH PARKING LOT TO GET THEM ON THIS WALKWAY SYSTEM ONTO NEY BEACH PARK.

UH, AS WE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT, WE'VE GOT A CROSSWALK THERE AT THE COFFEE SHOP AS, AS MY REFERENCE POINT PEDESTRIAN CHICANE ACROSS AND GO, UH, AROUND THE CIRCLE OR INTO KANEY PLAZA.

THAT'S WHERE WE'VE GOT THE TWO STOP.

UM, IT'S A, IT'S A FORCED OASIS IF YOU WILL.

UH, AND THEN WE'VE GOT CURB CUTS ON, ON BOTH SIDES.

WE'VE GOT ON STREET PARKING PRESENTLY ON THE KAGEY PLAZA SIDE OF NORTH FOREST, AND WE'VE GOT SOME SERVICE, UM, PARKING ON THE, ON THAT, UH, COMMERCIAL SIDE, THE BEACH SIDE.

AND THEN AS WE GO ON SOUTH FOREST BEACH, THAT IS A VERY WIDE SECTION, BUT AGAIN, THAT CROSSING, UH, SECTION ON THE SOUTH FOREST BEACH PORTION, AGAIN, THE BEACH SIDE IS ON THE RIGHT.

UH, FOUR LANES OF TRAFFIC.

WE DON'T HAVE MUCH TRAFFIC VOLUME ON THAT, UH, AT ALL.

WE'VE GOT EVEN LESS ON PATHWAYS TEND TO MEANDER ON THE, UH, NON BEACH SIDE.

SOMETIMES IT'S ONTO PRIVATE PROPERTY.

I'VE NOTICED A LOT OF PAVEMENT WIDTH ON THE OTHER SIDE.

THIS IS NEXT TO K CLICKY PLAZA, WHICH IS ON THE LEFT SIDE OF THIS BEACH SIDE.

ON THE RIGHT WE'VE GOT THE ON STREET PARKING THAT IS ON THE ROADWAY, A SMALL BUFFER.

AND THEN WE'VE GOT A, A PATHWAY NEXT TO THE PARKING LOT, WHICH IS 12 FOOT WIDE TRAVEL LANES ONLY TWO.

SO ADDIE, YOU WANT TO SPEAK A LITTLE BIT TO SOME OF THESE PEDESTRIAN CROSSINGS AND SURE.

AND I'LL START WITH NORTH FOREST DRIVE AND KIND OF TIE IT BACK TO, UM, YOUR, YOUR PREVIOUS SLIDE LOOKING AT, UM, THE PEDESTRIAN BICYCLE CRASHES AND HOW DO WE, UM, JUST GET THAT LEGIBILITY AND CONSISTENCY ALONG THE ENTIRE CORRIDOR ENTIRE SYSTEM.

SO, YOU KNOW, PROVIDING NEW PATHWAYS WE'RE, UM, ON BOTH SIDES.

UM, PROVIDING AN RFB AT A NEW LOCATION A HUNDRED FEET AWAY, LOOKING AT THE BEST PRACTICE ON WHERE TO DO THAT.

UM, INSTALLING A HAWK SIGNAL ON SOUTH FOREST DRIVE, UM, AND ALSO A RAISED CROSSING THERE.

AGAIN, THIS GETS BACK TO THE CHARACTER AND LOOKING AT POTENTIALLY, UM, AN ALWAYS STOP THERE AS WELL AND BEGIN TO REALLY HIGHLIGHT DEFINITION OF WHERE WE'RE COMING INTO A DIFFERENT PLACE, UM, PROMOTING THE PEDESTRIANS CROSSING AND THE MOST VULNERABLE USERS AS ACCESS TO THAT NEW HAWK

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SPEECH CROSSES THERE AS WELL.

A FLASHING BEACON STOP SIGN COULD BE.

SO THERE'S, UH, A, AGAIN, THERE'S CONNECTION OF PATH.

SO WE'VE GOT CONTINUOUS, UH, OFF STREET PATH SYSTEM CROSSWALKS, MID-BLOCK CROSSINGS, AND THEN THE FOR CONSIDERATION, UH, THIS IS THE, UH, SOUTH FOREST BEACH OF TWO, TWO LANES OF TRAVEL CENTER TURN LANE AND A 12 FOOT PATH ON BOTH SIDES, ALL OF WHICH EXISTS WITHIN THE CURRENT RIGHT OF WAY.

WE DON'T NEED THAT.

THOSE OTHER TWO TRAVEL LANES, LANES OF MOVEMENT BECOME ONE LANE OR MOVEMENT AS SOON AS SOMEBODY WANTS TO TURN LEFT.

SO JUST PUT, ACCOMMODATE THE SAME THING WITH AND ON STREET BIKE LANES, SHOULD WE, THOSE, UH, PATHWAYS AT EIGHT FEET, AGAIN DUE TO VOLUMES, THOSE ARE LARGELY FOR WALKING PEDESTRIANS AND FOLKS PULLING A WAGON TO THE BEACH.

AND THEN ON STREET BIKE LANES ASSISTING 35 MILE AN HOUR SPEED, WE'RE SUGGESTING THIS GOES TO 25 MILE AN HOUR AND SEE THE, THE, UH, TRAFFIC VOLUMES ARE VERY SMALL.

THERE'S ONLY 6 6600, UH, TRIPS A DAY.

SOUTH FOREST BEACH, .

SO, UH, ANY OPINIONS RELATIVE TO THESE SECTIONS AND SOME OF THESE THOUGHTS, MS. BECKER? UM, I JUST WANTED TO THANK YOU FOR SAYING LESS PAVEMENT, .

OTHER THAN THAT, UM, I DON'T REALLY HAVE ANOTHER COMMENT RIGHT NOW.

MORE GREEN, LESS GRAY, A HUNDRED PERCENT.

UH, WHAT HAPPENS AFTER THE ALLEY, AND I'LL HANDLE THIS, UM, WE WENT BACK AND FORTH WITH THE TEAM SO BEYOND, SO THE SECTION FOUR, UM, FOR SOUTH FOREST BEACH WHERE WE HAVE FOUR LANES, UH, IT'S THE SAME RECOMMENDED CROSS SECTION TO GO TO TWO LANES WITH A CENTER TURN LANE AND A BEACHSIDE PATHWAY.

UM, WE INITIALLY STARTED THE EVALUATION ONLY TO DALLION AND THEN ON NORTH FLOOR OF BEACH ONLY TO .

SO THAT TYPICAL SECTION THAT BRIAN HAD JUST PUT UP, THE EXPECTATION IS FOR THAT SAME CONDITION TO OCCUR ALL THE WAY DOWN.

CORD.

THAT WE ARE LOOKING TO MAKE THE BIKE PATH, UH, IMPROVEMENTS ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE BACK GATE OF SEA PONDS? YES, SIR.

WAY TO WHERE, UM, FOR THE, FOR THE BALANCE OF SOUTH FOREST BEACH, UM, ALL THE WAY DOWN TO FIRST BAPTIST CORD AND THEN, AND THEN INTO THE OCEAN GATE OF SEA PINES.

THOSE, THE TWO LANES, IT ALL COMES TOGETHER.

UM, OKAY, UM, THIS IS, THIS, THIS AGAIN GETS TO IMPACT ON BUSINESSES.

UM, THAT'S JUST SOMETHING WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO EXPLORE.

UM, I'LL MAKE THE, UH, OBSERVATION THAT, UH, NORTH FOREST BEACH IN THAT ONE LITTLE SECTION THAT YOU'RE, UH, INDICATING.

UM, IT'S ABOUT AS PURE BEACH, UH, ENVIRONMENT AS WE HAVE WITH PEOPLE WANDERING BACK AND FORTH AND SO ON AND SO FORTH.

UH, I DON'T KNOW IF THE ONE HAWK SERVES OUR PURPOSES, BUT BE CAREFUL BECAUSE PEOPLE JUST LOVE TO WALK OUT IN THAT STREET.

AND I DON'T KNOW THAT'S A, THAT'S A SAFETY ISSUE THAT I'D BE CONCERNED ABOUT.

AS FAR AS THE CROSS SECTION IS CONCERNED, UM, I'M NOT AS ADAMANT THAT WE SHOULD HAVE IT A BIKE ON, ON THIS CROSS SECTION BECAUSE OF THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE WHO ARE TRAVELING.

IT'S NOT AS DENSE, UH, IN TERMS OF CAR COUNT.

UM, BUT I COULD BE PERSUADED.

I MEAN, I, I THINK THAT, UM, WE HAVE THE ROOM.

UM, WE MAY, WE MAY WANT TO CONSIDER IT, BUT I'M NOT, NOT, NOT STRONG ON IT.

GRAHAM, UM, I WANNA FOLLOW UP ON THE QUESTION PAST THE ALLEN.

SO WE, UH, ARE WE SAYING

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THAT, THAT, IF THAT'S THE WILLOW COUNCIL TO HAVE THE ON STREET BIKE LANE OPTION AND SECTION ON SOUTH FOREST BEACH, IT WOULD BE TWO TRAVEL LANES, THE CENTER TURN LANE AND THAT PATHWAY, UM, ON THE BEACH SIDE ALONG WITH THE ON STREET BIKE LANES AS SHOWN.

BUT ADDITIONAL PATHWAYS OUTSIDE OF JUST THE ON STREET BIKE PATHS, I GUESS IS WHERE I'M GOING CORRECT THE, THE PATHWAYS AS SHOWN HERE OUTSIDE THE, THE, THE BEACH SIDE PATHWAY WOULD EXTEND THE, THE BALANCE OF SOUTH FOREST BEACH, UH, TO COMPLEMENT THE, THE PATHWAYS WE HAVE CURRENTLY ON THE, ON THE, ON BEACH SIDE.

SO COUNCILMAN THIS IS THAT THIS IS THAT SECTION, UM, GOING SOUTH WITH TWO 12 FOOT BIKE LANES OF BIKE PATHS ON BOTH SIDES, ADDING THOSE ON STREET BIKE LANES AND THEN WE WOULD REDUCE THE WIDTH OF THE OFF STREET PATHWAYS TO EIGHT FEET OFF.

BUT WE'RE SUGGESTING THOUGH WE ONLY STUDIED IT DOWN TO DE LEONE, THAT THAT GO ALL THE WAY TO THE OCEAN GATE AT UM, I GUESS MORE TO COME ON THAT.

I JUST WANTED TO MAKE A COMMENT ABOUT THE BACK GATE.

UM, I MEAN CURRENTLY IT UH, GOES DOWN TO TWO LANES THERE AND IT'S VERY TIGHT.

UM, THE DRAINAGE IN THAT AREA IS UH, DITCH YEAH.

UNCOVERED.

SO, UH, I THINK AS WE ARE TALKING THROUGH THIS, WE NEED TO TALK THROUGH IT MORE COMPREHENSIVELY THROUGHOUT THAT AREA AS FAR AS THE IMPROVEMENT IS CONCERNED.

YOU'RE HERE.

YEP.

WELL ON THIS POINT THAT MR. BROWNS BEEN DISCUSSING A LITTLE BIT MORE IN TERMS OF SOUTH FOREST BEACH, THERE'D BE A PATH ON THE BEACH SIDE ALREADY A PATH ON THE OTHER SIDE.

AND GIVEN THOSE TRAFFIC VOLUMES, TRAFFIC VOLUMES, THAT'S JUST FINE.

UH, YES, ALMOST.

I THINK IT IS CONTINUOUS ON THAT.

ON THAT IT'S CONTINUOUS.

YEAH, ON THAT NORTH SIDE, ON THE MAIN, MAIN NORTH SIDE, IT, ANDERS, IT'S A, IT'S A, UH, DIFFERENT CONDITION, PLACE TO PLACE.

IT'S BEEN THERE A WHILE, BUT ON THE BEACH SIDE THERE IS NO CONTINUOUS TRAIL.

UH, AND WERE YOU INDICATING OR SUGGESTING THAT PART OF THAT BIKE ADDITIONAL LANE WOULD BE IN THE STREET OR, UH, SEPARATED? SO THERE'S TWO OPTIONS.

ONE HAS AN OFF AN OFF STREET PATHWAY ON THE BEACH SIDE.

SO, UM, ON THE BEACH, THIS IS THE BEACH SIDE HERE.

UM, THERE'S A, AN OPTION WITH A 12 FOOT PATHWAY THAT RUNS ALONG THE BEACH, UH, ROADSIDE ALONG THE FRONT OF THOSE PROPERTIES.

AND THEN THERE'S UM, ANOTHER OPTION THAT HAS A PATHWAY ON THE BEACH SIDE, ON THE BEACH SIDE, BUT THEN HAS ON STREET BIKE LANES INCLUDED IN THE ROADWAY SECTION.

SO THERE'S PATHWAYS ON BOTH SIDES IN THIS OPTION AS WELL AS BIKE LANES ON BOTH SIDES IN THIS OPTION.

UM, I, I WOULD ENJOY PERSONALLY THE ON STREET BIKE LANES, UH, ON SOUTH FOREST BEACH, BUT I WONDER IF THIS ISN'T OVERKILL TOO MUCH.

UH, AND GOING THE OTHER DIRECTION ON, ON NORTH FOREST ALSO CONTEMPLATE BIKE LANE GOING FARTHER NORTH FROM .

UH, YES, BUT UM, THE POINT'S WELL TAKEN COULD BE OVERKILL ON BOTH OF THOSE SEGMENTS.

SO THIS IS BY, BY THE, BY THIS IS ONLY 3,200, UH, AUTOMOBILES A DAY ON, ON NORTH FOREST BEACH.

SO THIS IS, THIS IS THIRD WHAT SOUTH, UH, HALF OF WHAT SOUTH FOREST BEACH IS.

SO IS THIS OVERKILL TO HAVE BIKE LANES ON A STREET THAT IS AS, UH, SELDOM TRAVELED AS THIS AND NORTH FOREST BEACH HAS A PRETTY WELL CONDITIONED EXISTING TRAIL ON THAT NON BEACH SIDE ALL THE WAY TO BACK GATE INTO PERSONAL? AS A PERSONAL MATTER, I'VE NEVER RIDDEN ON THE BIKE PATH ON NORTH FOREST.

IT'S ALWAYS BEEN IN THE STREET.

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THAT'S JUST FINE.

RIGHT? YEAH, I, I, THAT STRETCH, STRETCH OF, UH, SOUTH FOREST BEACH WAS DEVELOPED EARLY ON AND THE BIKE PATHS WERE WI WINDING THROUGH TREES.

WE TRY TO REGAIN, RETAIN THAT SECTION FOR A WIDER BIKE PATH.

WE'RE GONNA BE TAKING DOWN A LOT OF TREES.

MY QUESTION IS, IS THERE A POSSIBILITY THAT WE COULD HAVE A BIKE PATH IN THE EXISTING RIGHT OF WAY? 'CAUSE WE'RE REDUCING THE AMOUNT OF PAVEMENT FROM FOUR BIG LANES TO THREE SO THAT WE WOULDN'T HAVE TO BE CUTTING DOWN THE TREES AND THEN JUST GET RID OF THE PAVEMENT OF THE OLD BIKE PATH, WHICH IS RUTTED ANYWAY.

AND, AND DAVID EVEN, UH, UH, UH, COUNCILMAN AND EVEN TAKING THAT TRAIL AND DOING THAT AS NEED BE TO MISS SIGNIFICANT TREES.

BUT YOU'RE RIGHT, WE'RE GAINING BACK AN ENTIRE LANE OF TRAFFIC IN SOME, BECAUSE WE'RE REDUCING THOSE.

I JUST WANNA RESIST THE TEMPTATION TO CUT DOWN A BUNCH OF LOB LOLLIES AND A BUNCH OF LIVE OAKS ALONG SOUTH FOREST BEACH.

THIS NEEDS TO BE SURGICALLY PLACED.

NOT, NOT TAKE A BIG YELLOW MACHINE DOWN THERE.

I AGREE.

I AGREE WITH MR. AMES THOUGHT ON THE MIC LANE.

I THINK SOUTH FOREST BEACH IS A LEC NEGLECTED ROADWAY.

IT'S DEAD STRAIGHT, IT'S GOT TOO MANY LANES AND IT GIVES US AN OPPORTUNITY TO CREATE BEAUTIFUL ROAD GOING ALONG THERE.

THERE NEEDS TO BE INSTALLATION OF MORE LANDSCAPE MATERIAL.

I THINK THE IDEA OF REDUCING IT TO THREE LANES, UM, I DON'T REALLY HAVE AN OPINION ABOUT THE BIKE LANES WHERE THEY WOULD BE, BUT I THINK THIS ROAD GIVES A TERRIFIC OPPORTUNITY TO CREATE A PARKWAY, WHICH IS WHERE IT SHOULD BE IN THAT HIGH TOURIST AREA.

I WAS GONNA SAY, WHAT I ALWAYS SAY, WHICH IS THAT WE, UM, CONTINUE TO LOOK AT, UM, OPTIONS FOR DEVELOPMENT AND EXPANDING.

AND A LOT OF THAT IS NECESSITATED BY THE FACT THAT WE ARE QUITE LIKELY, IF NOT IN FACT, UM, AT CAPACITY ON THE ISLAND.

AND, UM, TO EVERYONE'S POINT HERE THAT'S SPOKEN ABOUT THIS, IT'S THE IDEA OF MAINTAINING THE, UM, AESTHETIC, THE AMBIANCE AND THE CHARACTER OF WHO WE ARE ON THIS ISLAND, NOT JUST IN THIS AREA, BUT FROM, FROM THE FIRST, UH, TIME YOUR TIRES TOUCH HILTON HEAD ISLAND.

SO THAT'S WHAT I'M GONNA SAY AND CONTINUE TO SAY AND KEEP US FOCUSED ON.

THANKS.

SO, UH, MS. BRYSON, SHE WAS IN FAVOR OF THE, UH, HAWK SYSTEM ON, ON NORTH FORCE BEACH SIDE.

UM, AGAIN, IF WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO USE PUCK LIGHTING THERE, THERE AND SOUTH FORCE SPEECH, I WOULD, I WOULD SUGGEST THAT, UM, HAVING BEEN A KID THAT RODE MY BIKE UP AND DOWN SOUTH FOREST BEACH A MILLION TIMES, DON'T GET RID OF THE OLD PATH.

THERE'S CHARACTER THERE, RIGHT? AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS IS BORING, RIGHT? THIS IS A STRAIGHT ROAD.

I'M NOT SAYING WHAT Y'ALL DID IS BORING.

THIS IS A STRAIGHT ROAD, RIGHT? BUT, BUT HAVING THAT BIKE PATH ON THE SIDE HOLDS SOME, SOME VALUE BACK TO THE SIXTIES.

SO LET'S NOT FORGET THAT.

UM, YOU KNOW WHAT, HAVING THE BIKE PATHS ON, YOU KNOW, A BIGGER PATH ON ONE SIDE OF THE ROAD, FINE.

BUT, YOU KNOW, I, THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME, SOME LANDSCAPING IN THE MIDDLE OF HERE.

YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S JUST, AGAIN, WE WERE TALKING EARLIER ABOUT GETTING AWAY FROM STRAIGHT ROADS.

YOU CREATE SPEED.

SO THIS DOES JUST THAT.

IT'S A STRAIGHT ROAD, A MILE AND A HALF, TWO MILES LONG.

UM, WHERE'S THE CHARACTER AND I'M NOT SEEING IT WITH, WITH THIS.

UM, SO THAT'S ALL I GOTTA SAY.

SO WITH THAT SAID, UM, KIM, DID ANYBODY SIGN UP TO SPEAK ON THESE? ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS? YES, SIR.

I'VE GOT A FEW, LET ME GET OUTTA THIS.

DID YOU SAY? YES, SIR.

UM, FRANK BABEL, INTEREST OF TIME.

I'LL KEEP MY REMARKS SHORT AND I'LL START AT THE BACK AND GO TO THE FRONT AND I'LL TRY TO KEEP IT, UH, TRY TO KEEP IT SHARP.

BUT BEFORE I DO THAT, I'D LIKE TO THANK YOU, ALL OF YOU FOR WHAT YOU'VE DONE TODAY AND WHAT YOU'VE DONE FOR THE 36 COMPANIES THAT'S RENT BIKES AND SELL BIKES ON THIS ISLAND AND ALL THE PEOPLE WHO RIDE BIKES HERE SAFELY.

WE'RE GOING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION.

WE'VE MADE A LOT

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OF PROGRESS.

THAT'S MY RECOMMENDATION.

I MEAN THAT YOU REMEMBER WHAT WE DID THREE OR FOUR YEARS AGO.

WE SAW A LITTLE GUY WITH, WITH HIS LITTLE KID GOING ACROSS OAK, THE OAKS, THE BUSES AND CARS AND EVERYTHING.

OKAY, SO I'LL START NORTH FOREST BEACH.

I THINK WE JUST BASICALLY NEED TO PUT FOUR STOP SIGNS THAT HAVE A SET, PUT SOME SHARES IN THE GROUND.

AND I TOTALLY AGREE WITH THE MAYOR.

THAT'S A GREAT LITTLE PATHWAY.

IT'S GOOD CHARACTER.

JUST KEEP IT, DON'T MOVE IT AND JUST PUT SOME SHARES AND JUST LEAVE IT ALONE.

SOUTH FOREST BEACH, THE PROBLEM WE HAVE IS THE SAFETY OF VULNERABLE USERS.

IT'S PROBLEMATIC GETTING ACROSS THE STREET.

IT'S A REAL DANGEROUS PLACE WHERE IT'S AMAZING.

WE, OH HONEY, ONE PERSON KILLED.

IT'S VERY SERIOUS.

BUT WE'VE GOT A SOLUTION.

I'VE BEEN GOING UP THAT ROAD 20 YEARS AND I PLAY A GAME.

I START A KAGEY AND I GO TO THE END AND I SEE HOW MANY CARS TURN, AND I'VE BEEN DOING THIS FOR 20 YEARS.

MORE I COUNT.

AND MORE THAN 85% OF THE CARS TURN, IT'S A PLACE WHERE CARS TURN.

IT'S NOT A CARS WHERE PEOPLE ARE GOING TO, UH, TO SEE PINES.

THEY'VE ALREADY TURNED ON CORDO PARKWAY.

IT'S A TURNING PLACE.

SO YOU WANT A PLACE WHERE PEOPLE CAN TURN.

NOW THEY HAVE TO SHIFT OVER THE LANES AND THEN GET CUT OVER TWO LANES AND THEY HAVE TO LOOK OUT FOR VULNERABLE USERS.

SO THE SOLUTION IS WHAT YOU COME UP WITH.

IT'S A CENTER TURN LANE WHERE PEOPLE CAN SHIFT OVER, DO THEIR TURN.

IF THEY HAVE TO TURN OUT IT'S TWO TRAVEL LANES.

IT'S TWO BIKE LANES.

THAT'S IT.

IT'S, IT'S A BIKE PATH ON THE BEACH SIDE THAT GOES UP TO THE, UH, THE MARRIOTT.

AND IT'S A BIGGER BIKE PATH ON THE OTHER SIDE BECAUSE IT'S REALLY MUCH TOO CROWDED.

AND I THINK THAT WOULD DO IT.

AND IT EXISTS.

IT'S CALLED MAIN STREET IN MYRTLE BEACH.

I'VE GOT A PICTURE, A MOVIE OF IT HERE.

THAT'S WHAT THEY DID.

THEY THE SAME THING.

THEY FILLED WITH ALL KINDS OF CONDOS.

CONDOS HERE ON THE BEACH CONDOS HERE.

THAT'S WHAT THEY DID.

AND THEY PUT A CENTER TURN LANE, BUT THEY ALSO PUT IN A NICE MEDIAN WITH PALM TREES AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

AND IT'S REALLY SPECIAL.

SO GO TAKE A LOOK AT IT OR I'LL LOOK AT MY, LOOK AT THIS.

I'LL SHOW YOU IT.

IT'S, IT'S WHAT THEY OUGHT TO DO.

CILLO TO COLIGNY.

WHOA.

WHAT HAPPENS TO THE BIKERS WHEN WE DON'T HAVE A BIKE LANE? , WE GOTTA HAVE A BIKE LANE.

WE GOTTA CONTINUE WITH JUST MOVING IT THROUGH AND JUST GETTING, GETTING 'EM THROUGH AND OUT AND TO, UH, YOU KNOW, AND AND TO MARK'S POINT, WE ARE THESE, THESE E-BIKES.

THEY ARE COMING LIKE GANGBUSTERS.

HALF THE BIKES BEING SOLD NOW ARE E-BIKES.

WE DON'T EVEN HAVE ANY IDEA THE, THE, THE IMPACT OF THAT.

HEY, CUT.

CUT ME SOME SLACK.

THIS IS FOUR.

THIS IS FOUR THINGS THAT I'M SUPPOSED TO DO.

, I'M TRYING TO CUT IT AND I, I'M SORRY.

SMASH IT UP.

I, I HAVE SOME, I HAVE SOME INPUT, I HAVE SOME INPUT FOR YOU GUYS THAT YOU, THIS IS ABOUT BIKES, I THINK A LOT OF IT.

SO JUST GIMME A LITTLE SLACK.

UM, THE LIGHT AT LAGOON ROAD IS ALSO UNSAFE.

SERIOUSLY, THAT'S, SORRY, I'M GOING AS FAST AS I CAN.

SO, UH, I, I THINK YOU, YOU'VE REALLY PRETTY WELL NAILED POPE AAV DOING VERY WELL.

UH, SO I THINK, I THINK WE'LL GET IT.

I THINK WE'LL GET THAT.

UH, AND, AND POPE E AND I, YOU KNOW, THE IDEA OF TRYING TO PUT, TRYING TO PUT TWO, TWO DISCONTINUOUS TYPES OF BIKERS TOGETHER IS NOT A GOOD IDEA GUYS.

IT'S NOT A GOOD IDEA.

WE GOTTA PUT THE BIKERS AND WE GOTTA GET THE GUYS IN ELECTRIC BIKES, YOU KNOW, WE GOTTA GET 'EM THE SAME PLACE AND MOVING THE SAME DIRECTION.

ALL RIGHT.

I, I GOTTA, I GOTTA GO ON TO THE NEXT, FRANK, I GOT TO DEBORAH RADO WELL AHEAD.

OKAY, ON B SO I SHOULD, SHOULD I GO WITH THE NEXT ONE THEN? FRANK? WE, WE'VE GOT COUNCIL MEMBERS AND STAFF THAT HAVE APPOINTMENTS THAT THEY GOTTA GET TO.

YEAH, WELL I LIKE THIS.

SO THIS OTTO, OKAY, I HI THERE.

DEBORAH RADO.

I LIVE IN NORTH FOREST BEACH, UM, 50 YEARS.

SO I'VE BEEN DRIVING THOSE ROADS FOR 50 YEARS.

UM, ONE THING I WANNA ASK IS WITH ALL OF THIS, AND I COMMEND EVERYBODY THAT'S HAD PART IN THIS, IT'S COMPREHENSIVE, IT'S TIMELY, WE NEED IT.

UM, WILL THERE BE RESIDENT INPUT BEFORE DECISIONS ARE MADE? UM, ONE THING I WANNA SAY ABOUT LAGOON ROAD, UH, IS THAT THE BIKE PATH ENDS AT ABSET STREET AND IT NEEDS TO GO ALL THE WAY TO IBUS BECAUSE WE'VE HAD ALREADY A FATALITY THERE.

THERE'S AN THERE WHEN PEOPLE WALK THAT, AND THERE ARE TOURISTS AS WELL AS RESIDENTS.

SOMETIMES THEY WALK FIVE ABREAST ACROSS THE STREET AND PEOPLE ARE ON THEIR BIKES, ON THEIR CELL PHONES.

IT'S UNSAFE.

WE NEED A BIKE PATH THERE.

I'VE BEEN ASKING ONE FOR YEARS AND A LOT OF THE, THE, UM, ROAD IS BORDERED BY TOWN OWNED LAND.

SO IT WOULD, IT WOULD BE AN EASY ONE.

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UM, AND IT NEEDS TO BE REEXAMINED.

THERE IS A TIME WHEN THERE'S GREEN FOR, UH, PEDESTRIANS AND GREEN FOR, UH, CARS AT EXACTLY THE SAME TIME UNSAFE.

UM, THE STOP SIGNS FOR THE BIKES.

PEOPLE DON'T KNOW IF IT'S FOR CARS, IF IT'S FOR BIKES.

SO SOMETIMES CARS STOP BIKES NEVER DO.

UM, THE HAWK SIGNAL AT SOUTH HORSE BEACH DRIVE DOES NOT WORK AS WELL AS YOU THINK IT DOES.

IT'S VERY, VERY CONFUSING WHEN I DRIVE THROUGH THERE.

SOMETIMES, I DON'T KNOW WHEN I'M SUPPOSED TO STOP IT NEEDS TO HAVE SOME AUDIO WITH IT.

UM, THERE ARE, UM, SIGNALS IN SAVANNAH CROSSING SIGNALS THAT HAVE AUDIO WITH THEM AND THE PEOPLE KNOW EXACTLY WHEN TO CROSS AND THE, AND THE CARS KNOW WHEN TO STOP.

SO SOME AUDIO IF, IF IT COULD BE IMPROVED THAT WAY.

UM, I'M ALSO WONDERING IF ANYBODY KNOWS WHAT THE LONGEST WAIT TIME HAS BEEN TO ENTER SEA PINE CIRCLE BECAUSE I'VE GONE THROUGH SOME REALLY BAD TRAFFIC IN OTHER AREAS OF THE COUNTRY AND I SAID I WOULD NEVER COMPLAIN ABOUT THE TRAFFIC HERE ON HILTON HEAD AND I HAVE TO GO TOWARDS CINE CIRCLE EVERY DAY.

BUT EVEN IF THE TRAFFIC IS ALL THE WAY BACK, I CAN'T IMAGINE THAT IT TAKES LONGER THAN A FEW MINUTES TO REACH THE CIRCLE.

SO I JUST WONDER IF ANYBODY'S EVER TIMED THE LONGEST.

WAIT.

UM, I ALSO WANNA, UM, ASK YOU BEYOND, UH, CORD TO TOWARDS CINE CIRCLE IF YOU'D INCREASE THE SPEED LIMIT TO 36.

SO WE ELIMINATE ALL THOSE, UH, GOLF CARTS.

'CAUSE AS I UNDERSTAND IT, THE STATE LAW SAYS YOU CAN DO IF THEY'RE 35, UM, IF WILD WINGS AND, UM, ENCHILADAS IS GONNA TURN INTO MORE PARKING LOTS, THEN WE'RE GONNA MAKE, UM, HOPE AVENUE PARKING CENTRAL AND WE'RE JUST GONNA INVITE MORE CARS.

SO I NEED TO THANK YOU MR. ROBIN.

ANYBODY ELSE? CARL BRADEN, MR. CARL BRADEN, AND LASTLY LESLIE FORD.

BUT THIS IS A WHOLE SEPARATE ISSUE.

IS THAT OKAY? NOT REALLY RELATED TO THE BIKE PATH.

ANYWAY, THANKS GUYS.

I'M EXHAUSTED.

I KNOW YOU ARE TOO.

SO I'M GONNA BE REALLY QUICK.

UH, I REPRESENT A SMALL COMMUNITY CALLED CEDAR WOODS THAT NEEDS HELP WITH ROADS AND DRAINAGE.

I SAID I WASN'T GONNA TALK ABOUT ROADS, BUT I AM TALKING ABOUT ROADS.

UM, SO JUST A BRIEF HISTORY.

THERE WERE THREE COMMUNITIES THAT WERE SORT OF DEVELOPED AS WORKFORCE HOUSING, IF YOU WILL, FOR SEA PINES, BAY PINES POINT, COMFORT WOODS AND CEDAR WOODS.

UH, AFTER SEA PINES WENT BANKRUPT, FRANK GUCCIO ENDED UP BUYING HUNDREDS OF PROPERTIES AND HE ENDED UP WITH ROADS, DRAINAGE, ALL KINDS OF THINGS THAT HE DIDN'T WANT.

BAY PINES WAS VERY SUCCESSFUL MANY, MANY YEARS AGO IN GETTING THEIR ROADS THAT WERE OWNED BY FRANK GUCCIO.

TAKEN OVER BY THE, UH, COUNTY POINT COMFORT WOODS, WHICH IS THE SISTER COMMUNITY TO CEDAR WOODS AND ADJACENT TO CEDAR WOODS.

MY COMMUNITY WAS VERY SUCCESSFUL IN GETTING THEIR ROADS AND DRAINAGE TAKEN OVER BY THE TOWN.

CEDAR WOODS HAS NOT BEEN SO SUCCESSFUL AND THAT'S WHY I'M HERE TODAY.

I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT A PATH FORWARD FOR US TO DO THAT.

NOW I WILL TELL YOU THAT I'VE WORKED WITH JEFF AND MR. ORLANDO AND SEAN, UM, ABOUT GETTING THE BEGINNING OF A DRAINAGE AGREEMENT IN PLACE, WHICH I'M REALLY GRATEFUL FOR AND VERY HAPPY TO HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF ASSISTANCE.

WE ARE A SMALL COMMUNITY OF 50 HOMES.

WE DON'T HAVE TRAFFIC ENGINEERS OR ROAD SMART FOLKS.

NONE OF THE BRAIN POWER IN THIS ROOM EXISTS IN OUR COMMUNITY.

UNFORTUNATELY, DEALING WITH THINGS LIKE ROADS AND DRAINAGE IS A GOVERNMENT THING.

IT'S NOT SOMETHING OUR COMMUNITY HAS THE MEANS OR THE EXPERTISE TO DO.

SO I'M HERE TODAY ASKING IF YOU CAN HELP ME FIGURE OUT A PATH FORWARD TO BE AS SUCCESSFUL AS POINT COMFORT WOODS WAS.

AS SUCCESSFUL AS BAY PINES WAS.

I KNOW THERE'VE BEEN SOME ROADS IN NORTH FOREST BEACH THAT HAVE BEEN TAKEN OVER BY THE TOWN.

I ALSO KNOW THE TOWN DOESN'T WANT ROADS 'CAUSE THEY COST MONEY.

RIGHT? AND THEY DON'T WANT DRAINAGE 'CAUSE IT COSTS MONEY.

I GET THAT.

BUT Y'ALL HAVE THE EXPERTISE.

WE DO NOT.

UM, OUR DRAINAGE ALSO IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT THAN POINT COMFORT WOODS IN THAT WE ARE NEXT TO THE MARSH AND THEY ARE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF US.

THE TOWN OWNED DRAINAGE AND ROADS OF POINT COMFORT WOODS ACTUALLY FLOWS THROUGH OUR COMMUNITY DRAINAGE, WHICH IS KIND OF ODD.

AND ALSO BECAUSE WE'RE ON THE MARSH, WE SORT OF HAVE IT DOUBLE SIDED.

WE HAVE THE RAINFALL TO DEAL WITH FROM A DRAINAGE STANDPOINT, BUT WE ALSO HAVE THE, THE TITLE OF THE SALT WATER,

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SALT WATER.

I ALSO LEARNED FROM THESE SMART GUYS DOESN'T REALLY EXPAND THE LIFE EXPECTANCY OF YOUR DRAINAGE SYSTEM IS SORT OF DETRIMENTAL TO IT.

SO WE'VE GOT ALL THAT THAT WE'RE DEALING WITH AND I'M HERE LOOKING FOR HELP.

SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

THAT'S ALL.

THAT'S ALL WE HAVE? YES SIR.

EVEN FOR PUBLIC CO OR NON AGENDA ITEMS? YES SIR.