Oct 23, 2024 Town of Bluffton Planning Commission

COMMISSIONER MICHAEL BROCK.

COMMISSIONER RICH DELCOR.

COMMISSIONER LYDIA DEPA.

COMMISSIONER DANIEL GROVE.

COMMISSIONER JIM FLYNN.

THE MINUTES? IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND.

NOTICE REGARDING

[III. NOTICE REGARDING ADJOURNMENT]

ADJOURNMENT.

THE PLANNING COMMISSION WILL NOT HEAR NEW ITEMS AFTER NINE 30, IF WE'RE HERE AT NINE 30 ANYWAYS, UNLESS AUTHORIZED BY A MAJORITY VOTE OF THE COMMISSION MEMBERS PRESENT ITEMS WHICH HAVE NOT BEEN HEARD BEFORE NINE 30 MAY BE CONTINUED TO THE NEXT REGULAR MEETING OR A SPECIAL MEETING DATE AS DETERMINED BY THE COMMISSION MEMBERS.

UM, DO I HAVE A MOTION ON

[IV. ADOPTION OF MINUTES]

ALL IN FAVOR OF ADOPTING THE MINUTES FROM SEPTEMBER 25TH.

[V. PUBLIC COMMENT]

DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS? YES.

NUMBER ONE MAGNOLIA SQUARE STREET NAMING A REQUEST BY WILLIE POWELL OF WARD EDWARDS.

PUBLIC COMMENTS CAN COME AT THIS TIME OR ACTUALLY AT THE AGENDA ITEM.

SO WHO HAS THE PUBLIC? TWO GENTLEMEN BACK THERE OR ONE MM-HMM.

DO YOU WANNA WAIT UNTIL WE'RE ACTUALLY DISCUSSING THAT AGENDA ITEM, UH, I'M SEEING IS THERE'S NO OLD BUSINESS, UH, NEW BUSINESS

[VII.1. Magnolia Square (Street Naming): A request by Willy Powell of Ward Edwards, Inc., on behalf of Ed Goas of ERB Enterprises for LLC for approval of a Street Naming Application. The project consists of three internal streets for the Magnolia Square mixed-use development. The property contains three lots zoned Neighborhood General-HD (NG-HD), one lot zoned Neighborhood Core (NC), and two lots zoned Residential General (RG) and consists of approximately 3.43 acres identified by tax map numbers R610 039 000 0114 0000, R610 039 000 0093 0000, R610 039 000 0094 0000, R610 039 000 0095 0000, R610 039 000 0096 0000, R610 039 000 0107 0000 located at 1203-1217 May River Road and 15-19 Jason Street. (STR07-24-019249) (Staff-Angie Castrillon)]

ON, ON BEHALF OF ED GILES OF ERB ENTERPRISES FOR LLC FOR APPROVAL OF A STREET NAMING APPLICATION.

THE PROJECT CONSISTS OF THREE INTERNAL STREETS FOR THE MAGNOLIA SQUARE MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT.

THE PROPERTY CONTAINS THREE LOT ZONE, NEIGHBORHOOD GENERAL, ONE LOT ZONE, NEIGHBORHOOD CORE, AND TWO LOT ZONE RESIDENTIAL GENERAL, AND CONSISTS OF APPROXIMATELY 3.43 ACRES IDENTIFIED BY THE TAX MAP NUMBERS IN THE AGENDA AT LOCATED AT 1203 TO 1217 MAY RIVER ROAD AND 15 TO 19 JASON STREET, ANGIE.

THERE IS A STOCK FARM ROAD IN, IT'S, IT'S RIGHT NEAR ALL JOY DONUTS.

GOOD EVENING.

COMMISSIONERS, UM, ARE, FIRST ITEM TODAY IS A STREET NAMING FOR MAGNOLIA SQUARE.

THIS IS A REQUEST BY WILLIE POWELL ABOARD EDWARDS, INC.

ON BEHALF OF ED GO.

AS FOR A APPROVAL OF A STREET NAMING APPLICATION, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING THE APPROVAL OF THE FOLLOWING STREET NAMES FOR THE FUTURE DEVELOPMENT OF MAGNOLIA SQUARE, APOLLO'S WAY, LODEN LANE, SOBA STREET, AND PLUFF STREET WERE THE NAMES THAT WERE ACCEPTED.

THE PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN WAS APPROVED ON SEPTEMBER 27TH OF LAST YEAR.

UM, THE STAFF COMMENTS FOR THIS STREET NAMING APPLICATION WERE HEARD AT THE AUGUST 14TH, 2024 DEVELOPMENT REVIEW COMMITTEE MEETING.

HERE WE HAVE THE EXHIBIT SHOWING THE TWO ROADS THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO NAME AND THE PROPOSED STREET NAMES FOR THOSE I DID SLASH OUT THE NAMES THAT WERE NOT APPROVED.

DID, JUST TO PAUSE YOU REAL QUICK, BECAUSE THIS CAME UP IN DRC, DID WE EVER FIND OUT WHO, UM, DENIED STOCK FARM ROAD BECAUSE WE DIDN'T HAVE AN ANSWER TO THAT AT THAT TIME.

UM, PART OF THE REVIEW PROCESS WAS, UM, OUR GIS DEPARTMENT AND EMERGENCY SERVICES.

UM, AND THROUGH THAT REVIEW PROCESS, IT WAS NOT APPROVED BY EITHER.

I I TRULY WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHO DID NOT APPROVE THAT.

YOU MEAN WHETHER IT WAS HILTON HEAD OR THE COUNTY? UH, I DON'T KNOW WHICH ONE, BUT ONE OF 'EM CAME BY SAYING THAT IT'S, I GOT THE IMPRESSION THAT IT, IT CAME BACK SAYING THAT IT, IT'S A, IT'S, THE NAME HAS ALREADY BEEN USED WITHOUT THEM RECOGNIZING THAT AS ACROSS THE STREET.

WELL, BUT THAT'S, AND, AND WE CAN GET INTO, I'LL LET YOU FINISH YOUR PRESENTATION.

WE'LL DISCUSS THAT IN A MINUTE.

OKAY, THANKS.

UM, AS GRANTED BY THE POWERS AND DUTIES SET FORTH IN SECTION TWO OF THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT ORDINANCE, THE PLANNING COMMISSION HAS THE AUTHORITY TO TAKE THE FOLLOWING ACTIONS WITH RESPECT TO THIS APPLICATION, YOU CAN APPROVE THE APPLICATION AS SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT, APPROVE THE APPLICATION WITH CONDITIONS, OR DENY THE APPLICATION AS SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT.

THIS IS A SLIDE OF THE REVIEW CRITERIA, WHICH WAS INCLUDED IN THE STAFF REPORT IN YOUR PACKET.

UH, TOWN STAFF FINDS THAT THE REQUIREMENTS OF SECTION 3.3 OF THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT ORDINANCE HAVE BEEN MET AND RECOMMENDS THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION APPROVE THE FOLLOWING FOURTH STREET NAMES.

I HAVE PRODUCED A SUGGESTED MOTION FOR YOU AND I'M HAPPY TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME.

WE DO HAVE THE APPLICANT, UH, REPRESENTATIVE HERE IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO ASK HIM ANY QUESTIONS AS WELL.

NOTHING.

COMMISSIONER,

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IT'S ACROSS THE STREET FROM THIS ROAD.

WHICH IT'S LOGICAL EXTENSION ACROSS THE STREET WOULD BE TO KEEP THAT NAME.

AND THAT IS, CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE MAP FOR A SECOND PLEASE? GOTCHA.

SEE UNDER ROAD TWO WHERE IT SAYS STOCK FARM ROAD MM-HMM.

IT'S LITERALLY ACROSS THE STREET.

AND SO COMMON SENSE DICTATES THAT YOU WOULD CONTINUE THAT NAME.

SO YOU'RE EITHER TURNING RIGHT OR LEFT ON ROAD, YET HERE WE SIT WHERE WE'RE ABOUT TO NAME IT SOMETHING TOTALLY DIFFERENT.

GOTCHA.

THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S WHERE IT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE TO ME.

GOTCHA.

UM, GO AHEAD.

WHATEVER.

I THINK CAN WE, DO WE HAVE THE RIGHT TO STILL KIND OF PURSUE THE STOCK FARM ROAD ANGLE DOWN THE ROAD EVEN IF WE APPROVE NAMES TONIGHT? SO IF WE GET APPROVAL DOWN THE ROAD, WE CAN STILL USE STOCK FARM ROAD.

WE'RE NOT BOUND TO USE THOSE FOUR NAMES, ARE WE? OR CAN WE? NO.

YOU, YOU HAVE TO CHOOSE FROM THE NAMES THAT ARE APPROVED AND MY, MY THOUGHT FELLOW COMMISSIONERS IS THAT WE GIVE, UM, OR MY INCLINATION IS WE GIVE AN APPROVAL FOR THOSE FOUR NAMES AND FOR STOCK FARM ROAD WITH THE CONDITION THAT THE APPLICANT CAN KINDA RESEARCH IT.

BECAUSE MY, I DON'T KNOW IF Y'ALL FEEL AS STRONGLY AS I DO ABOUT THIS, BUT IT JUST TO ME DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO, TO GO AN EXTRA BLOCK AND TOTALLY CHANGE THE ROAD NAME.

AND I KNOW THERE IS A PRECEDENT FOR ROAD NAMES CHANGING ACROSS MAY RIVER ROAD, BUT RIGHT.

UH, WE TALKED ABOUT THIS INTERNALLY WITH STAFF AND WHAT, UH, WE WERE, WE DID HAVE A LITTLE CONCERN THAT STOCK FARM ROAD REPRESENTS STOCK FARM, THE COMMUNITIES, UM, AS OPPOSED TO, YOU KNOW, IT'S A, IT IS A NAME THAT HAS TO DO WITH STOCK FARM VERSUS, VERSUS JUST A REGULAR PUBLIC STREET STOCK.

FARM ROAD WAS THERE BEFORE THE COMMUNITY WAS THERE.

THEY NAMED THE COMMUNITY AFTER THAT ROAD.

WHAT HAPPENED? UH, MR. MCCRACKEN STARTED DEVELOP SELLING LOTS ON THE ORIGINAL STOCK FARM ROAD AND THEN HE CREATED THE STOCK FARM COMMUNITY.

UM, I'M OPEN TO THE THOUGHTS ON THIS.

DO WE HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO DO THAT EVEN IF ANOTHER AGENCY HAS DENIED IT? I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, ULTIMATELY THE FOLLOW THROUGH IS WHEN THIS GETS SUBDIVIDED, THE STREET NAMES GO ON THE SUBDIVISION PLAQUE.

UM, WE, WE'VE BEEN, WE FOLLOW THE PROCESS OF, OF CHECKING WITH THE, WITH OTHER COMMUNITIES WHEN THEY COME BACK AND THEY SAY, SAY NO, THAT THAT ROAD NAME SHOULDN'T BE USED, WE HONOR THAT AS STAFF AFTER WE BRING TO YOU GUYS.

I, IF YOU GUYS APPROVE IT AS, AS AN OPTION, I, I THINK WE WOULD WANT THERE TO BE SOME VERIFICATION PRIOR TO ME STAMPING OFF ON THE SUBDIVISION MEANING CORRECT.

THAT WOULD WORK WITH RIGHT.

AND THAT'S MY QUESTION TOO IS ARE WE, ARE WE BOUND TO USE A NAME APPROVED OUT PLANNING COMMISSION IF IT'S ALREADY A NAME AND USE, YOU'RE BOUND TO USE TWO OF THE NAMES APPROVED.

THAT'S, THAT'S ONE.

I GUESS I'D LIKE TO HAVE THAT ADDED TO THE, BUT HERE'S, HERE'S THE THING.

IF WE, AND WE DON'T, WE DON'T HAVE OUR ATTORNEY HERE TO, TO BACK ME UP OR BE AGAINST ME ON THIS, BUT IF WE APPROVE STOCK FARM AS A POTENTIAL ROAD NAME, WE CAN IMPROVE IT IN SUCH A WAY THAT IT MUST BE ALSO APPROVED BY THE OTHER ENTITIES IN THE PROCESS.

SO WHAT THIS IS DOING IS THIS IS KEEPING THEM FROM HAVING TO COME BACK TO US BECAUSE WE'VE APPROVED THE OTHER FOUR NAMES AND THEN NEXT WEEK THEY GET STOCK FARM APPROVED.

NOW THEY HAVE TO COME BACK TO PLANNING COMMISSION AND WE CAN WORK WITH THE APPLICANT ON, ON THAT FOLLOW THROUGH.

SO WE SHOULD MAKE IT A CONDITION OF THE MOTION.

IF, IF WE'RE SO INCLINED, I WOULD THINK WE MAKE IT A CONDITION OF THE MOTION AND SUBJECT TO APPROVAL BY, YOU KNOW, 9 1 1 SUBJECT TO STAFF VERIFICATION THAT OTHER ENTITIES APPROVE IT.

WELL, COMMISSIONER, UM, WETMORE OR DAN QUESTION ABOUT THIS POINT THAT STREET NAMES CHANGE WHEN THEY CROSS MAY RIVER ROAD.

IS THAT UNIVERSAL? NO, NO, NO, NO.

JUST YOU SEE HERE, A LOT OF TIMES THE TIE END STREET WILL CHANGE NAMES.

I MEAN, NAME CHANGES.

IT ISN'T EVEN ACROSS THE STREET.

SOMETIMES IT SAYS AS YOU'RE DRIVING DOWN THE SAME STREET ALL OF A SUDDEN ON A DIFFERENT ONE.

IT'S LIKE DEFINITELY UNIQUE TO SOUTH CAROLINA.

LIKE HAY, HAY GOES TO PEN, OAK I THINK CAN GO AND STOCK FARM GOES TO WHISPER BUYING HEY, ING BREWING.

I I THINK IN THE INTEREST OF CONTINUITY AND, AND YEAH.

PEOPLE KNOWING WHERE THE HELL HECK THEY'RE GOING.

CHANGE THE WHOLE STREET INTO ONE STREET NAME BECAUSE PEOPLE HAVE HISTORICALLY USED IN DIFFERENT ADDRESS.

SOME, SOMETIMES YOU HAVE TWO, TWO STREETS WITH DIFFERENT NAMES AND THEY EVENTUALLY TIE TOGETHER.

WHEN THEY TIE TOGETHER, THE FOLKS ARE RELUCTANT TO CHANGE,

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SO THAT'S HOW IT HAPPENS SOMETIMES, UH, I THINK IT'S NOTHING WILL BE ADDED OFF OF THIS ROADWAY.

IT'S STRICTLY FOR MAPPING PURPOSES ONLY.

I THINK ALL THE ADDRESSES WILL BE EITHER OFF OF THE, THE ROAD ONE OR OFF OF MAY RIVER ROAD.

WELL, IF YOU WANNA TAKE IT TO THE LANGUAGE OF THE PROPOSED MOTION, IF SOMEBODY'S INCLINED TO MAKE A MOTION, WOULD YOU BE, CAN YOU MAKE THE MOTION SINCE YOU'VE GOT THIS CLEARLY IN YOUR HEAD, CLEAR AS MUD? UM, OKAY.

I MOVE TO APPROVE THE FOLLOWING STREET NAMES FOR THE MAGNOLIA SQUARE DEVELOPMENT, UM, APOLLO'S WAY, LOUDOUN LANE, SOBA STREET AND PLUSH STREET ALSO MOVE THAT PLANNING COMMISSION APPROVES STOCK FARM ROAD.

UM, IF THE OTHER ENTITIES THAT ARE INVOLVED, UM, ALSO APPROVED FULLY SECOND.

OKAY, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.

AND THE DISCUSSION.

ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.

AYE.

OPPOSED? SEEING NONE, THE MOTION PASSED.

ITEM NUMBER TWO, WORKSHOP REGARDING REQUEST TO ALLOW CARPORTS IN OLD TOWN HISTORIC DISTRICT.

OKAY,

[VIII.1. Workshop Regarding Request to Allow Carports in Old Town Bluffton Historic District - (Staff - Charlotte Moore)]

UM, MS. CHARLOTTE.

PROPERTY OWNER THAT FILED THE TEXT AMENDMENT, UM, PROVIDED SOME PHOTOS THAT I WANNA SHOW YOU.

GOOD EVENING.

UH, THIS IS A WORKSHOP, UM, AND AS SUCH WE WILL BE TAKING NO VOTES OR MAKING ANY RECOMMENDATIONS.

THIS IS SIMPLY AN INFORMAL OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO DISCUSS, UM, POTENTIALLY ALLOWING METAL CAR PORTS WITHIN THE OLD TOWN LEFT IN HISTORIC DISTRICT.

WE DO HAVE AN APPLICATION, UM, THAT YOU WILL HEAR NEXT MONTH, NOVEMBER.

UM, AND THAT WILL BE THE, THE FORMAL PROCESS TO MAKE THAT RECOMMENDATION AND THEN TO MOVE IT FORWARD TO TOWN COUNCIL.

SO, UM, THE IMPETUS FOR THIS PARTICULAR WORKSHOP AND TEXT AMENDMENT IS THAT WE HAVE, UH, A PROPERTY OWNER IN OLD TOWN WHO, UH, CONSTRUCTED A METAL CARPORT.

AND THAT'S IN ADDITION TO A CARRIAGE HOUSE, UM, THAT IS ALREADY LOCATED ON HIS PROPERTY.

THIS IS NOT HIS PARTICULAR CARPORT, IT'S THE ONE NEXT TO IT.

UH, SO WITHIN OLD TOWN BLUFFTON, UM, METAL CARPORTS OF A CERTAIN SIZE, 122 SQUARE FEET OR GREATER ARE CONSIDERED CARRIAGE HOUSES BECAUSE WE HAVE A FORM-BASED CODE, WE CALL OUT SPECIFIC BUILDING TYPES.

ACCESSORY BUILDINGS ARE CALLED CARRIAGE HOUSES WHEN THEY ARE 122 SQUARE FEET OR GREATER.

SO IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, THE APPLICANT HAS AN EXISTING CARRIAGE HOUSE ALREADY.

IT'S A, UM, GROUND FLOOR GARAGE WITH AN UPPER STORY RESIDENTIAL.

AND THEN IN ADDITION TO THAT, UM, THE APPLICANT OR THE PROPERTY OWNER INSTALLED A METAL CARPORT.

SO WITHIN OLD TOWN, YOU CAN ONLY HAVE TWO CARRIAGE HOUSES.

SO IN THIS CASE, EXCUSE ME, ONE.

SO IN THIS CASE, UH, THERE'S A VIOLATION ONE IN THAT IT WAS INSTALLED WITHOUT GOING THROUGH THE PROCESS.

THERE WAS NO BUILDING PERMIT.

AND THEN, UM, AFTER, UH, THAT VIOLATION NOTICE WAS, UH, SENT, THEN WE ALSO DISCOVERED THAT IT'S IN VIOLATION OF THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT ORDINANCE.

SO THE PROPERTY OWNER WOULD LIKE TO, UH, RETAIN THE, UM, MELLOW CARPORT AS CONSTRUCTED.

IT'S OVER 700 SQUARE FEET AND IT, UH, COVERS A RECREATIONAL VEHICLE, I BELIEVE A BOAT AND A GOLF CART.

UM, SO WHAT HE WOULD LIKE TO DO IS TO MAINTAIN THAT PARTICULAR METAL CARPORT AND NOT HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE DESIGN REVIEW REQUIREMENTS, UM, THAT WOULD BE REQUIRED OF A CARRIAGE HOUSE.

SO INTERESTINGLY TOO, THE NEXT DOOR NEIGHBOR WAS ALSO CITED, UH, FOR INSTALLING A METAL CARPORT WITHOUT GOING THROUGH THE PROCESS.

IT'S THE ONE THAT YOU SEE HERE.

UM, AND THAT, UH, PROPERTY OWNER HAS, UH, FILED A KOFA, A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS APPLICATION TO BE REVIEWED BY THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION IN NOVEMBER.

AND THEY'VE GONE THROUGH THE PROCESS AND, AND, AND THIS PARTICULAR CARPORT WOULD BE FINE, UM, BUT THEY DO HAVE TO MEET SOME REQUIREMENTS RELATED TO THE POST THAT THEY HAVE TO COMPLY WITH THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT ORDINANCE.

SO WE'RE NOT SAYING THAT CARPORTS AREN'T PERMITTED, IT'S JUST THAT YOU CANNOT HAVE TWO CARRIAGE HOUSES AND THEY ALSO HAVE TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE DESIGN REQUIREMENTS OF OLD TOWN BLUFFTON HISTORIC DISTRICT.

SO WE'VE GOT A, A COUPLE OF THINGS GOING ON HERE.

SO THE, UM, THE

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AND, UM, SO THESE CARPORTS DO EXIST THROUGHOUT OLD TOWN BLUFFTON, I CANNOT TELL YOU IF SOME OF THESE WERE BUILT PRIOR, UH, TO OUR UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT ORDINANCE BEING ADOPTED, WHICH WAS AUGUST, 2011.

THERE'S SOME OTHER ONES AS WELL.

WE'D HAVE TO DO THE RESEARCH TO DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT THEY WERE, UM, LEGAL OR IF THEY'RE GRANDFATHERED, THEY EXISTED BEFORE THE 2011 UDO ADOPTION OR AFTER.

AND THAT WOULD TAKE SOME WORK.

I ASSUME THAT SOME OF THESE ARE IN FACT GRANDFATHER LOOKING AT THEM.

UM, AND SO THEY ARE THROUGHOUT OLD TOWN CHANGE THE VIEW ON THIS SO WE CAN SEE .

SO YEAH, THIS MAYBE AN OLDER ONE.

SO REALLY WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TODAY, AGAIN, THIS IS JUST AN INFORMAL SETTING TO TALK ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT WE BELIEVE METAL CARPORT SHOULD BE, UM, SOMETHING WE MIGHT WANNA CONSIDER ALLOWING SEPARATE FROM THE CARRIAGE HOUSE REQUIREMENTS.

UH, I AM NOT HERE TO PROVIDE ANY RECOMMENDATION.

I DON'T HAVE A TEXT, UH, TO PROVIDE YOU TO TALK ABOUT.

THIS IS JUST TO INTRODUCE THE SUBJECT AND IF THERE'S ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE THAT WANTS TO SPEAK TO ALLOW THEM TO WEIGH IN ON IT TOO.

AGAIN, WE'LL BRING THIS FORMAL AMENDMENT TO YOU IN NOVEMBER.

UM, WE ARE ALSO HAVING A WORKSHOP WITH THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION TO GET THEIR FEEDBACK AS WELL.

SO I'M GLAD.

WHEN IS THAT WORKSHOP DONE? UM, IT'S THE NEXT PRESERVATION COMMISSION MEETING, WHICH I BELIEVE IS NOVEMBER 6TH.

ITS AFTER NEXT.

AND THE PROCESS ON THIS, WE'RE TALKING A POTENTIAL UDO UPDATE CORRECT.

AT IT? CORRECT.

AND THAT WOULD GO THROUGH THE PLANNING COMMISSION FOR A RECOMMENDATION.

UM, IF THERE'S ANY FEEDBACK FROM THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION, WE'LL PROVIDE THAT TO YOU AT THE NOVEMBER MEETING.

IF YOU MAKE A, IF YOU TAKE A VOTE IN NOVEMBER, THEN IT WILL GO TO A FIRST READING TO TOWN COUNCIL IN JANUARY, AND THEN A SECOND READING IN PUBLIC HEARING IN FEBRUARY.

I KNOW I MAY HAVE CONFUSED YOU.

WE'RE, WE'RE REFERRING TO METAL CAR PORTS AS CARRIAGE HOUSES.

AND WHEN I THINK CARRIAGE HOUSE, I THINK, YOU KNOW, AN ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT WITH THE GARAGE UNDERNEATH, IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO BE THAT, UM, CARRIAGE HOUSE IS THE BUILDING FORM.

AND IF IT'S 122 SQUARE FEET OR GREATER, THEN WE DO CONSIDER THE ACCESSORY BUILDING TO BE A CARRIAGE HOUSE.

SO JUST KEEP THAT IN MIND.

SO THERE'S NO, NO, THERE'S NO VERBIAGE FOR ENCLOSED.

SO TO CLARIFY, SO EVERY CARPORT IS A CARRIAGE HOUSE, ANYTHING 122 SQUARE FEET OR GREATER? MM-HMM.

ANYTHING UNDER OVER, OVER, OVER.

WHAT HAPPENED WITH THE, UM, SHED LANGUAGE? DID THAT EVER GET ADOPTED OR? IT DID.

AND THAT'S THE 122.

YOU KNOW, WHEN I WAS LOOKING AT THIS TONIGHT, I THINK WE HAVE AN INCONSISTENCY, I THINK WE REFERRED TO THE AS 121 SQUARE FEET.

I THINK WE IDENTIFIED SHEDS AS 121 SQUARE FEET OR LESS.

BUT THEN WE'VE ALSO IDENTIFIED CARRIAGE HOUSE AS 121 SQUARE FEET OR GREATER.

I THINK A CARRIAGE HOUSE IS 122 SQUARE FEET OR GREATER.

LET'S, LET'S PAUSE THERE IF YOU'RE, IF EVERYBODY'S OKAY WITH IT.

LET'S HEAR THE PUBLIC COMMENTS AND, UM, CONTINUE THE DISCUSSION.

KEITH FISHER AND I, I PROBABLY DON'T NEED TO SAY THIS, BUT IN PUBLIC COMMENTS, WE ASK THAT YOU RESPECT THE COMMISSION.

DON'T CALL ANYBODY OUT BY NAME.

UM, BEGIN BY IDENTIFYING YOURSELF BY NAME AND ADDRESS AND YOU HAVE UP TO THREE MINUTES.

UH, MEMBERS COMMISSION.

UM, MY NAME NAME'S PETE FISHER.

I AM THE OWNER OF 41 THOMAS HAYWARD STREET, THE ONE WITH THE STRUCTURE IN QUESTION.

UM, WE DID THE TEXT AMENDMENT, UM, AND WITHIN A NARRATIVE, WHICH I THINK YOU HAVE A COPY OF AS WELL, JUST EXPLAINING WHY WE DID THE STRUCTURE, UM, MR. TO PROTECT OUR, OUR RV, UH, OUR INVESTMENTS.

WE'VE HAD, UH, TREE DAMAGE, UH, BEFORE ON ANOTHER ONE.

UM, SO OUR NEIGHBOR INSTALLED ONE, WE INSTALLED ONE.

UM, IT'S A LESS EXPENSIVE WAY TO GO ABOUT, UH, PROTECTION AND OTHER THAN BUILDING, YOU KNOW, A CARRIAGE HOUSE WHERE ANOTHER STRUCTURE, WHEN WE WENT TO THE UDO, DIDN'T SEE ANYTHING THAT CALLED OUT CARPORTS, UM, DIDN'T FEEL IT WAS AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE OR A SUPPORTING STRUCTURE.

SO POWER, UM, SCRABBLE BASE, IT DOES MEET ALL WIND RATINGS OF 140 MILES AN HOUR.

UM, AND ONCE AGAIN, THE REASON WE DID IT WAS TO PROTECT OUR INVESTMENTS, YOU KNOW, AS

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TIME.

SO, UM, ONCE AGAIN, I THINK EVERYTHING I'VE KIND OF JUST EXPLAINED IN THE NARRATIVES IN THERE TO TRY TO GET OUR POINT ACROSS ON WHY WE'RE TRYING TO SALVAGE WHAT WE HAVE AND WORK WITH THE TOWN HISTORIC COMMITTEE IN REGARDS TO LOOKING INTO CLASSIFICATION OF POSSIBLY CHANGING THE UDO OR AMENDING THE UDO TO ALLOW THIS, UM, GOING BACK, I BELIEVE THE, THE UDO WAS ADOPTED IN 2011.

UM, GOING BACK ON GOOGLE EARTH, MAJORITY OF THESE WERE INSTALLED AFTER THE FACT THAT, OR THROUGHOUT OLD TOWN HAD BEEN HERE FOR YEARS.

UM, ONE OF THE PICTURES WILL CLEARLY SHOW FOUR CARPORTS IN ONE OF THE PICTURES.

TWO SMALLER CARPORTS.

MY NEIGHBOR, ALL MY NEIGHBORS PRETTY MUCH HAVE CARPORTS.

UM, AFTER DRIVING AROUND OLD TOWN, TAKING A FEW PICTURES, THERE'S QUITE A OTHER, QUITE A FEW MORE THAT POPPED UP THAT WERE INSTALLED AFTER THE, UH, THE TION.

SO THANK YOU.

THANK YOU, THANK YOU.

KEITH BERLIN, HE ACTUALLY SAID EVERYTHING.

THERE'S NOTHING REALLY TO ADD TO THAT, BUT YOU HAVE THREE WHOLE MINUTES TO YES.

UM, OKAY.

SO CHARLOTTE, YOU'RE JUST LOOKING FOR KIND OF A, A TEMPERATURE OF THE ROOM, I GUESS, AS TO WHETHER THIS MAKES SENSE TO ADD AS A UDO EDIT OR AS A DESIGNATION AND WHAT IT MIGHT LOOK LIKE.

AND WE'RE GONNA GET FEEDBACK FROM HPC AS WELL BEFORE IT BECOMES A FORMAL AGENDA ITEM.

BUT YOU NEED TO KNOW KIND OF HOW TO CRAFT IT.

YEAH, AND, AND I DO WANNA EMPHASIZE AGAIN THAT WE DO ALLOW METAL CARPORTS PROVIDED THEY MEET THE DESIGN REQUIREMENTS OF THE UDO.

BUT YOU'RE ONLY ALLOWED TO HAVE ONE CARRIAGE HOUSE PER LOT, CHARLOTTE.

BUT A METAL CARPORT HAS TO BE LESS THAN 122 SQUARE FEET.

NO.

WOULD, IT'S 122 SQUARE FEET OR GREATER THAN IT'S A CARRIAGE HOUSE.

AND IN THIS CASE SAID, WE ALLOW CARPORTS AS A CARRIAGE HOUSE AS A CARRIAGE, CORRECT.

ANYTHING OVER 122 CARPORT IS A CARRIAGE HOUSE.

SO LET ME ASK YOU THIS.

SO I WANT TO BUILD A 1200 SQUARE FOOT CARRIAGE HOUSE.

I WANNA PUT 600 SQUARE FOOT DOWNSTAIRS, 600 UPSTAIRS.

THAT'S THE MAX SIZE OF A CARRIAGE HOUSE.

, I CAN'T PUT A CAR CARPORT CORRECT.

NEXT TO THAT CARRIAGE HOUSE.

THAT COUNTS AS SQUARE FEET EVEN THOUGH IT'S OUTSIDE.

DOESN'T BUILDING SECOND PORCH.

HMM.

IT WOULD BE CONSIDERED A SECOND, EXCUSE ME, A SECOND ACCESSORY STRUCTURE ON THE PROPERTY CHAIR, EVEN IF IT'S ATTACHED TO THAT CARRIAGE HOUSE I JUST EXPLAINED.

SO I'D HAVE TO TAKE AWAY 200 SQUARE FEET OF INTERIOR SPACE TO MAKE THAT MM-HMM.

AND YOU'D HAVE TO COMPLY WITH THE DESIGN REQUIREMENTS OF THE UDO QUESTION, CHARLOTTE.

UM, MR. FISHER MENTIONED THAT WHEN HE LOOKED AT GOOGLE MAPS, THERE WEREN'T THAT MANY BEFORE 2011, BUT NOW THERE'S QUITE A FEW.

HOW DID ALL THESE CARPORTS GET CONSTRUCTED WITHOUT ANYBODY APPROVING IT? I WOULDN'T KNOW WITHOUT REVIEWING EACH INDIVIDUALLY TO KNOW HOW LONG IT'S BEEN THERE, WHETHER OR NOT IT RECEIVED A BUILDING PERMIT.

UM, WHAT THE UDO AT THE TIME WAS.

WHAT THE LANGUAGE WAS IN THE UDO.

I MEAN, POTENTIALLY THERE COULD HAVE BEEN AMENDMENTS THAT ALLOWED SOME EARLIER ONES.

I DON'T KNOW.

I DON'T THINK SO.

BUT THERE, THERE ARE A VARIETY OF FACTORS THAT COME INTO PLAY.

AND WITHOUT DOING THE RESEARCH, I DON'T KNOW.

SO THE PICTURES THAT WE'VE SEEN, ARE ANY OF THESE, UM, MEETING THE CARRIAGE HOUSE CRITERIA? UH, DESIGN WISE, NO.

UM, WELL, I DON'T KNOW.

I MEAN, I, I HAVEN'T SPENT ANY TIME AGAIN RESEARCHING ANY OF THESE INDIVIDUALLY.

UM, SO I, I MEAN, THIS ONE DOES NOT, UH, THIS ONE DOES NOT EITHER.

BUT THAT WOULD TAKE SOME TIME FOR STAFF TO, UM, DETERMINE HOW LONG THESE HAVE BEEN HERE FROM A TEMPERATURE STANDPOINT.

UH, COMMISSIONER WHITMORE, I FIND IT TROUBLING THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT APPROVING A NEW DESIGN BECAUSE WE'VE HAD SO MANY PEOPLE CONSTRUCT, QUOTE, ILLEGAL OR UNCON CONFORM CARPORTS.

JUST, JUST A TEMPERATURE CHECK.

I NEED TO KNOW MORE.

I SOME OF THE STUFF THAT WE JUST TALKED ABOUT WITH CHARLOTTE WOULD HELP.

BUT THAT'S A CLARIFYING QUESTION ON THE PORCH SITUATION THAT YOU REFERENCED.

COMMISSIONER WHITMORE, I THINK I COULD BE MISREMEMBERING, BUT I ALWAYS THOUGHT FOR A CARRIAGE HOUSE, YOU HAVE AN 800 MAXIMUM SQUARE FOOT FOOTPRINT, BUT THAT EXCLUDES PORCHES AND THAT THE 1200 SQUARE FEET ALSO

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EXCLUDED PORCHES.

SO A CARPORT.

SO IF IT WAS ATTACHED, MY UNDERSTANDING, AND PLEASE CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, WAS THAT YOU COULD HAVE A 800 SQUARE FOOT ENCLOSED FIRST FLOOR PLUS PORCHES AND STILL HAVE A 400 SQUARE FOOT SPACE ABOVE.

OR YOU COULD SPLIT THE 1200 OF ENCLOSED SPACE COULD BE SPLIT DIFFERENTLY BETWEEN FLOORS, SO LONG AS IT DOESN'T EXCEED 800 ON THE GROUND FLOOR.

BUT YOU STILL HAVE ADDITIONAL FOOTPRINT THAT YOU CAN USE AS PORCHES, WHICH WHEN WE'RE DEALING WITH CARPORTS, THAT'S ESSENTIALLY A PORCH.

I HAVEN'T LOOKED AT IT THAT WAY.

AND THAT MAY BE A, AN INTERPRETATION BY THE EDO ADMINISTRATOR.

WHETHER OR NOT THAT WOULD BE CONSIDERED A PORCH.

I MEAN, IN THIS CASE, UM, THE, IT DOESN'T APPLY.

DARBY IS, YOU KNOW, 700 SQUARE FEET.

SO I DON'T, IT, IT IS, IT IS MY RECOLLECTION OF THAT AS WELL.

BUT IT'S NOT TO SAY THAT YOU COULD END UP WITH A 1200 SQUARE FOOT PORCH ATTACHED TO YOUR CARRIAGE HOUSE.

LIKE I THINK THE MASSING GUIDELINES THAT WE HAVE IN PLACE IN THE UDO WOULD PREVENT THAT FROM REALLY BEING MORE THAN A ONE CAR SIZED ADDITION AS A CARPORT.

BUT I THINK THAT WOULD HELP TO CLARIFY WHAT IS PERMITTED OR HOW THE UDO ADMINISTRATOR INTERPRETS THOSE SQUARE FOOTAGE LIMITATIONS.

AND I CAN HAVE THAT FOR YOU FOR THE NOVEMBER MEETING, BUT I AGREE WITH YOU.

AND I ALSO THINK THE, IT'S, IT'S KIND OF CONFUSING TO SAY THAT WE APPROVE METAL CARPORTS BECAUSE I GUESS, BUT YOU HAVE TO WRAP THE COLUMNS.

YOU HAVE TO HAVE AT LEAST A FOUR 12 ROOF SLOPE ON IT, OR THREE 12 ROOF SLOPE ON IT.

IT HAS TO HAVE EITHER STANDING SEAM OR FIVE BC CRIMP OR ASPHALT SHINGLE ROOFS.

SO YES.

BUT WITH LIKE A TON OF MODIFICATIONS TO MAKE IT MEET THE MATERIALITY THAT WE REQUIRE IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.

UM, AND WE'VE HAD MANY, MANY, LIKE WE WEREN'T EVEN ALLOWED TO USE T ONE 11, WHICH WHEN PAINTED LOOKS LIKE A V GROUP WOULD, AND THAT'S NOT ACCEPTABLE.

SO TO ME, LIKE THE AESTHETIC OF THAT WOULD'VE BEEN KEEPING IN WITH THAT.

BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT THE CARPORT, A DETACHED METAL, FREESTANDING CARPORT THAT DOESN'T MEET THE MATERIAL, THE COLUMN SIZE, THE FOUNDATION, ANY OF THAT STUFF, I WOULD NOT BE AMENABLE TO THAT PARTICULAR CHANGE.

IT, IT ALMOST SEEMS LIKE WE'D HAVE TO BE CREATING A NEW THING JUST FOR METAL CARPORTS BECAUSE IT WOULD BE SO HARD FOR PEOPLE TO MAKE A CARPORT MEET ALL OF THE CRITERIA YOU JUST IDENTIFIED.

IT'S NOT, IT'S COST PROHIBITIVE, BUT IT IS POSSIBLE.

THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT HAVE DONE THAT AS WELL.

UM, SOMETIMES IN LIEU OF A, I GUESS MOSTLY IN LIEU OF A CAR, LIKE USING A CARPORT AS A CARRIAGE HOUSE.

DISAGREE WITH THAT, BUT IT IS, I WOULD HAVE AN ISSUE PERSONALLY MAKING THE CARRIAGE HOUSE GO FROM ONE TO TWO.

UM, SO IT'S COMPLETELY POSSIBLE TO HAVE A CARPORT THAT MEETS THE CRITERIA, BUT NOT, IT WOULDN'T BE A PREFAB MM-HMM.

ELEMENT THAT YOU COULD JUST DROP.

I GUESS I ALSO WOULD JUST QUESTION TOO, WHAT, WHEN WE ARE TRYING TO KEEP THE, IF THE POINT OF THE VIDEO IS TO KEEP THE CHARACTER OF HISTORICAL OLD TOWN, NOT TO SAY THAT THESE BUILDINGS HAVEN'T EXISTED, BUT IS THAT THE CHARACTER THAT WAS INTENDED TO BE KEPT WHEN THE DOCUMENT WAS WRITTEN AND UNDER CHARACTERS OF THE, UH, CLIENT? I THINK IT'S REALLY HARD TO, TO CALL A CARRIAGE.

UH, YOU, IT'S HARD TO CLAIM A CARPORT AS A CARRIAGE HOUSE.

I THINK THAT'S, AND, AND I THINK IT'S DIFFICULT TO RESTRICT PEOPLE TO NOT, UM, NOT BE ABLE TO HAVE A, A CARPORT.

I KNOW THERE'S CERTAIN DI DESIGN GUIDELINES THAT ARE NECESSARY, BUT I THINK RESTRICTING PEOPLE FROM HAVING THAT UN UN ENCLOSED SPACE THAT'S COVERED TO PROTECT THEIR PROPERTY, I THINK THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT.

AND I THINK RESTRICTING THAT UNDER THE, THE, THE VERBIAGE THAT IT'S A CARRIAGE HOUSE, BECAUSE IF IT'S OVER 120 SQUARE FEET, THAT'S A 10 BY 12.

YOU'RE NOT PUTTING ANYTHING UNDER A 10 BY 12, I MEAN, A SMALL DRUM BOAT OR A GOLF CART.

BUT STILL SOMETHING'S GONNA STICK OUT AND IT'S STILL GONNA GET WEATHERED.

UM, SO IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT DOING ANY GOOD.

IT'S GOTTA BE BIGGER THAN THAT.

BUT, YOU KNOW, THEN YOU'RE CALLING IT A CARRIAGE HOUSE WHEN IT'S NOT A CARRIAGE HOUSE.

IT'S UN ENCLOSED.

I, I UNDERSTAND IT NEEDS DESIGN GUIDELINE DESIGN STANDARDS, BUT I THINK RESTRICTING PEOPLE BY CALLING IT A CARRIAGE HOUSE 'CAUSE IT'S LARGER, 120, I, I JUST DON'T THINK THAT'S RIGHT.

I DON'T THINK IT'S FAIR FOR A, A LANDOWNER TO NOT BE ABLE TO HAVE THAT.

SO I, I DO THINK SOMETHING NEEDS TO BE MODIFIED TO ALLOW FOR UN ENCLOSED STORAGE, UM, THAT'S COVERED, THAT'S LARGER THAN 120 SQUARE FEET.

I DON'T NECESSARILY

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I DON'T THINK THAT THE LOTS THAT HAVE BEEN DESIGNED AND SUBDIVIDED AND EVERYTHING ELSE CAN EVEN REALISTICALLY REALLY ACCOMMODATE THAT.

AND I THINK THAT'S A TOTALLY DIFFERENT, THERE'S SO MANY PEOPLE WHO HAVE RESPECTED THE PROCESS AND GONE THROUGH THE PROCESS AND BEEN DENIED BEING ABLE TO DO WHAT THEY WANT TO DO THAT IT SEEMS NOT IDEAL TO GO BACK AND THEN SAY YOU CAN HAVE TWO CARRIAGE HOUSES, SO THEN YOU NEED TO RE NOT CARRIAGE HOUSES, BUT THEY ARE, BECAUSE IT'S A FORM-BASED CODE.

SO THE FORM-BASED CODE IS THAT YOU'RE INTENDED TO HAVE ONE MAIN HOUSE OF A, OR ONE PRIMARY STRUCTURE OF A CERTAIN SIZE AND ONE SECONDARY STRUCTURE OF A CERTAIN SIZE.

IT'S NOT CALLING IT A CARRIAGE HOUSE IS JUST DEFINING THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE STRUCTURE.

SO I THINK IT, I WOULD LEAN ON HPC TO GIVE US GUIDANCE ON IF THEY FEEL LIKE THE DEVELOPMENT PATTERN SUPPORTS HAVING MULTIPLE ADDITIONAL OUTBUILDINGS BESIDES JUST ONE PRIMARY AND ONE SECONDARY.

'CAUSE THAT'S REALLY WHAT IT'S THE, WHAT IT IS SERVICING IS THAT THERE'S ONLY ONE SECONDARY STRUCTURE ON THE PROPERTY.

UM, AND THEN I DO THINK WE NEED, IF WE GO DOWN THOUGH, WE SHOULD ADD CARPORT AS BUILDING TYPE.

I THINK THERE'S A LOT THAT NEEDS TO BE IN THOSE GUIDELINES.

YOU HAVE TO REDEFINE WHAT A CARRIAGE HOUSE IS IN TERMS OF SQUARE FOOTAGE.

I THINK WE NEED TO DEFINE WHAT A CARPORT IS AND IF WHAT THEY'RE ALLOWED TO HAVE, BECAUSE THIS IS EASILY GONNA TURN INTO, WE BUILT A CARPORT THAT'S NOT A CARRIAGE HOUSE, BUT THEN WE ENCLOSED IT AND TURNED IT.

I MEAN, IT JUST, I THINK YOU'RE GONNA END UP WITH MULTIPLE PEOPLE THAT WILL TRY TO USE WHATEVER WE WRITE TO BE ABLE TO EXPAND UPON THE INTENDED MEETING.

SO JUST MAKING SURE THAT HOWEVER WE WRITE THAT LANGUAGE, IF WE WERE TO GO IN THAT DIRECTION, REALLY RESTRICTS IT TO EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ALLOW AND NOT JUST LEAVING A BUNCH OF LOOPHOLES FOR OTHER THINGS TO HAPPEN THAT WEREN'T INTENDED.

TOTALLY AGREE WITH WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.

I WOULD HATE TO SEE US HAVING MULTIPLE STRUCTURES ON PLACES WHERE WE DON'T WANT IT.

AND THERE WOULD HAVE TO BE SOME GUIDELINES IF WE CREATE SOMETHING JUST FOR CARPORTS THAT WOULD SAY, WHAT SHOULD IT LOOK LIKE? UM, YOU KNOW, OTHERWISE, KATIE BAR THE DOOR, WE CAN HAVE ANYTHING AT ALL.

AND IT COULD BE AS WHO KNOWS HOW HIGH IT COULD BE.

SO, YOU KNOW, IF WE'RE GONNA GO DOWN THAT ROUTE, I THINK WE HAVE TO TAKE ALL THOSE THINGS INTO CONSIDERATION.

I AGREE WITH YOU.

DON'T THROW ANYTHING AT ME.

UM, I'VE GOT, I'VE GOT SOME PRETTY STRONG FEELINGS ON THIS AND, UM, I DON'T, I TRY NOT TO PULL THIS OUT OFTEN, BUT AS A, AS A RESIDENT OF BLUFFTON FOR THE MOST PART OF 33 YEARS, WE MOVED HERE WHEN WE HAD 700 PEOPLE.

WE HAD A SAYING BACK THEN THAT I DON'T HEAR AS OFTEN NOW BECAUSE I THINK WE'VE OVERLY RESTRICTED IN SOME AREAS.

WE WERE KNOWN AS A TOWN OF MILLION DOLLAR HOMES NEXT TO MOBILE HOMES.

WE WERE KNOWN AS A TOWN THAT HAD THE ABILITY TO DO SOME THINGS THAT WERE OUT OF CHARACTER.

AND MY BIGGEST FEAR WHEN WE CREATED THE UDO AND EVEN BEFORE THAT, WITH THE OLD TOWN MASTER PLAN, IS THAT WE WERE GONNA HAVE A BUNCH OF COOKIE CUTTER PROPERTIES.

NOW WE HAVE A SCENARIO WHERE, UM, SOMEBODY WANTS TO COVER, UM, A BOAT, A GOLF CART, WHATEVER, IN A NON ENCLOSED STRUCTURE.

AND WE TECHNICALLY, WITH THE UDO DON'T HAVE A WAY OF ALLOWING THEM TO DO THAT.

TO ME, THAT'S A CHALLENGE.

SO I AGREE IN PART WITH WHAT'S SAID HERE.

I THINK, I THINK WE DO NEED A CARPORT OR UN ENCLOSED STRUCTURE GUIDELINE.

MAYBE IT'S A, YOU KNOW, DOWN IN, OUTSIDE OF THE TOWN, DOWN IN AJOY, SOME PEOPLE HAVE PUT, UM, PICNIC STRUCTURES UP ALONG THE WATER SO THEY COULD HAVE A PICNIC TABLE UNDER IT AND ENJOY IT.

UM, TO ME THAT WOULD FIT THIS CATEGORY AS WELL.

AND I THINK WE DO NEED TO ADDRESS CAN IT BE METAL? WHAT DOES IT LOOK LIKE? WHAT ARE THE GUIDELINES ON IT? BUT I THINK PEOPLE NEED TO HAVE A CERTAIN SENSE OF, THIS IS ME A CERTAIN SENSE OF FREEDOM AND CREATIVITY TO KEEP THE CHARACTER OF BLUFFING THAT WAS HERE FOR A LONG TIME BEFORE WE ALL GOT HERE.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE.

AND I KNOW I'M MAKING IT AS CLEAR AS MUD FOR YOU, CHARLOTTE, AND I KNOW YOU'VE GOT A, I I THINK GOING THROUGH HPC IS GONNA HELP US AND GUIDELINES AND SUGGESTIONS THEY HAVE.

BUT I'M, I'M GONNA SAY I PERSONALLY AM VERY RELUCTANT TO SAY, NO, WE CAN'T HAVE THESE, UM, I JUST,

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AGAIN, CLEAR AS MUD.

BUT, UM, A COUPLE OF POINTS, IF WE DO CREATE THIS DESIGNATION, WHICH I THINK WE SHOULD, UM, WE'VE GOTTA LIMIT THE NUMBER, YOU KNOW, ONE UN ENCLOSED STRUCTURE THAT REMAINS UN ENCLOSED.

IF IT BECOMES ENCLOSED, THEN THEY VIOLATED, UM, THE ORDINANCE.

UM, I DO LIKE WHAT I HEARD EARLIER.

UM, THE GENTLEMAN SAID THAT HIS CARPORT HAD NO POWER.

MAYBE THAT'S A DESIGNATION, IS THAT THESE UN ENCLOSED STRUCTURES HAVE NO POWER, NO WATER.

YOU KNOW, THAT COULD BE A, THAT COULD BE A GUIDELINE FOR 'EM.

UM, BEYOND THAT, I, I JUST, I'M VERY CURIOUS.

I'LL PROBABLY GO TO THE NOVEMBER 6TH HPC AND STUFF LIKE THAT AND LISTEN, ANY THOUGHTS ON SQUARE FOOTAGE? SIZE, HEIGHT? I, ME, I DON'T KNOW HOW Y'ALL FEEL.

COMMISSIONERS, UM, UP, UP TO A TWO CAR.

WHAT? A BOAT IN A CAR.

SQUARE FOOTAGE SHE'S TALKING ABOUT.

SHE I THOUGHT YOU SAID HEIGHT.

I DID, I DID BOTH.

I MEAN, JUST SQUARE FOOTAGE AND HEIGHT.

PUTTING IT OUT THERE.

IF YOU HAVE ANY THOUGHTS ON THAT.

WELL, SINGLE STORY, FIRST AND FOREMOST, WHAT IS IT? WHAT, WHAT IS THAT HEIGHT? DOES THE UDO DEFINE WHAT A SINGLE STORY IS? IT DOESN'T, AND I'M, I'M THINKING, WELL, IT'S NO GREATER THAN 12 FEET, WHICH MM-HMM.

FOR AN RV'S NOT GOING TO WORK.

RIGHT, RIGHT.

THAT WAS, THAT WAS WHAT I WAS GETTING AT.

BECAUSE THE ONE YOU HAVE ON THE SCREEN DOESN'T LOOK LIKE IT'S 12 FEET.

MAYBE IT IS.

BUT IF YOU HAVE BIG RVS, THEY'RE NOT GONNA FIT MM-HMM.

UNDER 12 FEET.

AND AT, AT THAT POINT, WHERE DO, WHERE DO WE STOP OUR BOATS? A BOAT'S NOT GONNA FIT 12 FEET WITH A, WITH A CENTER CONSOLE THAT HAS SOME COVER ON IT.

IT'S NOT GONNA WORK.

SO YEAH, IT'S GOTTA BE, I STRUGGLE WITH IT BECAUSE STRUGGLE IS WHAT WITH RAISING IT TO THE HEIGHT THAT'S SHOWN IN THAT PHOTO, OR SUBSTANTIALLY MORE THAN 12 FEET FOR MANY REASONS.

I THINK WHATEVER WE DO, THIS STRUCTURE NEEDS TO FEEL LIKE THE MOST SECONDARY STRUCTURE ON THE PROPERTY.

IT SHOULD NOT COMPETE WITH THE MAIN HOUSE.

IT SHOULD NOT COMPETE WITH THE CARRIAGE HOUSE.

I THINK THE CARRIAGE HOUSE AS WRITTEN SHOULD BE THE MORE PRIMARY BETWEEN THESE TWO.

AND I THINK WE DON'T EVEN ALLOW GARAGE DOORS OVER LIKE NINE FEET TALL.

SO THE THOUGHT OF BEING ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE LIKE A 16 OR 20 FOOT TALL BUILDING BECAUSE SOMEBODY HAS AN RV.

I MEAN, I JUST DON'T KNOW THAT THAT'S APPROPRIATE FOR THE SCALE OF THE ARCHITECTURE THAT WE HAVE IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT PERSONALLY.

AND I WOULD THINK SQUARE FOOTAGE WISE, I WOULD WANT THE FOOTPRINT TO BE LESS THAN A CARRIAGE HOUSE.

AND PROBABLY IF WE'RE GOING FOR LIKE TWO CARS, IT'S PROBABLY SOMEWHERE IN THE 400 ISH SQUARE FEET RANGE WOULD BE A MAX.

I, I AGREE WITH YOUR POINT ABOUT THE HEIGHT.

I, I DIDN'T THINK WE WERE AT THE POINT WHERE WE'RE SAYING CARRIAGE HOUSE PLUS A CARPORT.

I THOUGHT WE WERE STILL DISCUSSING WHETHER YOU COULD HAVE THREE THINGS, PRIMARY CARRIAGE, CARPORT.

I MEAN, SOME PEOPLE, IF IT'S PRIMARY IN CARPORT.

KEEPING THE CHARACTER OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICT AND MY, MY VIEW OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICT IS PROBABLY A LITTLE WARPED COMPARED TO MOST PEOPLE'S BECAUSE THE HISTORIC, THE HISTORY OF OLD TOWN BLUFFTON HAS, IT'S BEEN A LITTLE JUNKIE AND A LITTLE COOL.

I, I WOULD WANT TO HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT WHETHER WE'RE NOT GONNA HAVE THREE, THREE STRUCTURES ON A PROPERTY BEFORE WE JUMPED INTO THAT.

I THINK IF WE REMOVE THE CARPORT FROM THE CARRIAGE HOUSE DEFINITION, THEN YOU'RE ALLOWING, RIGHT NOW IT'S EITHER OR.

YOU CAN HAVE TWO STRUCTURES.

YOU CAN DECIDE WHAT YOU WANT THAT CARRIAGE HOUSE STRUCTURE TO BE.

IF WE CREATE A NEW DESIGNATION AND ALLOW ONE, THEN WE'RE TALKING THREE STRUCTURES.

OTHERWISE, THERE'S NOT REALLY ANY PURPOSE OF REMOVING IT FROM THE CARRIAGE HOUSE DESIGNATION 'CAUSE IT, SO I THINK BY CREATING THAT NEW CATEGORY, YOU'RE SAYING IT'S OKAY TO HAVE THREE.

AND I'M NOT SURE I AGREE WITH THAT.

AND IF WE'RE NOT, THEN I THINK WE'RE, IT JUST STAYS IN THE CARRIAGE HOUSE DEFINITION BECAUSE A CARRIAGE HOUSE CAN BE OPEN AIR.

AND EITHER WAY I THINK THE MATERIALITY IS DEFINED IN THE UDO OF WHAT WE'RE ALLOWED TO DO.

I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO CREATE A NEW MATERIAL PALETTE PERSONALLY.

I THINK IT SHOULD JUST COMPLY WITH CHAPTER FIVE, BUT OKAY.

I, I DON'T HAVE A CHALLENGE WITH THREE STRUCTURES.

UM, I ALSO DON'T, AND I, BELIEVE ME, I HEAR YOU LYDIA.

I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.

I'M ALSO LOOKING AT SOME OF THESE PROPERTIES THAT I WALK BY EVERY DAY AND THE ONE THAT I OWN.

AND I DON'T HAVE ANY INTENTION OF PUTTING A CARPORT ON MY PROPERTY, BUT I COULD EASILY PARK TWO OR THREE RVS ON MY PROPERTY IF I WANT.

AND THAT DOESN'T VIOLATE ANYTHING.

BUT IT'S STILL, TO ME, LESS VISUALLY OBTRUSIVE THAN HAVING SOMETHING THAT'S THAT TALL AS A STRUCTURE UNTIL YOU, UNTIL YOU FACTOR IN THE 48 INCH HICKORY THAT MIGHT FALL DOWN ON IT.

WELL, IF IT FALLS DOWN, IT'S GONNA CRUSH YOUR CARDBOARD TOO.

IT'S A STRONG CARPET.

NO, NO, BUT, OR A LIMB OR WHATEVER.

BUT YEAH, IT'S, IT, I, I STRUGGLE WITH THIS.

I STRUGGLE WITH PROPERTY OWNERS BEING ABLE TO DO WHAT THEY WANT TO DO WITH THEIR PROPERTY, BUT WITH US

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I'M AFRAID WE'RE LOSING A LITTLE BIT OF THAT JUNKIE.

YOU KNOW, I DON'T NECESSARILY MEAN THIS IS THE JUNKIE I'M THINKING OF, BUT HOPEFULLY YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT I'M SAYING.

UM, I DON'T WANT IT TO END UP LOOKING COOKIE CUTTER.

USA THAT'S BEEN PERSONAL.

I I DON'T EITHER.

BUT ALL THESE PICTURES I THINK WE WERE TOLD WERE NOT PERMITTED.

AND THAT I, I REALLY CAN'T TELL YOU FOR CERTAIN, THESE ARE JUST EXAMPLES OF OTHER, UM, CARPORTS THROUGHOUT OLD TOWN.

I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG THEY'VE BEEN THERE.

I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'RE LEGALLY PERMITTED.

THEY MIGHT BE GRANDFATHERED.

UM, NO IDEA.

WITHOUT DOING THE RESEARCH.

I BET YOU IF YOU ASKED EVERYONE, THEY PUT 'EM UP IN 2010 WITH THE BUILDING PERMIT.

UH, WELL, ANY OTHER THOUGHTS? COMMISSIONERS? OKAY.

THIS, THIS HAS BEEN HELPFUL, HOPEFULLY DIRECTION, AND I WILL TALK TO THE UDO ADMINISTRATOR ABOUT THE INTERPRETATION OF THE CARRIAGE HOUSE AND THE, UM, THE UN ENCLOSED SPACE, WHETHER OR NOT THAT COUNTS.

SO I'LL, I'LL LOOK INTO THAT.

UM, SO THIS WAS VERY HELPFUL.

WHAT TIME IS THE MEETING ON NOVEMBER 6TH, 6:00 PM IS IT IN THIS ROOM? IT IS.

APPRECIATE YOUR PERSPECTIVE.

WE'VE GOT, UH, THREE OTHER ITEMS ON THE AGENDA THAT NIGHT.

SO THE DISCUSSION WILL BE THE LAST ONE.

SO SHOW UP AT SEVEN.

YOU NEVER KNOW.

I KNOW.

AND, AND JUST A, A WORD.

THANK YOU MR. FISHER FOR COMING OUT.

PLEASE UNDERSTAND, THIS IS OUR, IT'S A LITTLE MESSY FOR OUR DISCUSSION, BUT THAT'S HOW WE GET TO PROGRESS.

AND, AND BE A PART OF THE DISCUSSION.

I ENCOURAGE YOU TO GO TO HPC IF YOU CAN.

THIS HAS TO GO THROUGH A RECOMMENDATION FROM HPCA FORMAL RECOMMENDATION FROM PLANNING COMMISSION AND TWO READINGS IN TOWN COUNCIL.

IF IT'S TO BE SUCCESSFUL, WE HAND IN HAND WITH, UM, WITH MEMBERS ON THE STAFF IN REGARDS TO ANYWHERE FROM THE MAYOR TO THE ASSISTANT TOWN MANAGER OF OUR, UM, WE DEFINITELY WANNA RECTIFY AND CLARIFY EVERYTHING THAT'S THERE.

YOU KNOW, HOPING TO KEEP OUR STRUCTURE AND JUST FOR, UM, HEIGHT RESTRICTIONS.

UM, AN RV IS A MINIMUM, OR THE FIFTH WHEEL IS 13 SIX MINIMUM HEIGHT CLEARANCE TO BE ABLE TO GET SOMETHING IN END.

WELL, THANK YOU.

UM, COMMISSIONERS, ANYTHING ELSE FOR DISCUSSION? OKAY, I, I ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO ADJOURN.

I MOVE TO ADJOURN THE MEETING.

WE HAVE A SECOND.

SECOND.

ANY DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.

AYE.

MEETINGS ARE, THANKS FOR WATCHING BCT V JOE, GOOD TO SEE YOU, DALE.

GOOD TO SEE YOU.

UH, I WE'RE, WE'VE GOT A LOT TO TALK ABOUT AND WE'RE GONNA TRY TO TALK ABOUT IN A, ALL OF THIS IN A VERY SMALL KIND OF PRESENTATION TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC ABOUT WHAT WE WANT TO DO.

UH, IF Y'ALL REMEMBER, UH, WE STARTED WORKING ON A NEW SCHOOL RESOURCE OFFICER OPPORTUNITY LAST YEAR.

UM, BECAUSE WE KNEW, AND WE HAVE KNOWN THAT TRYING TO RECRUIT LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS TO BE CLASS ONE CERTIFIED, WHICH IS WHAT THE STATE REQUIRED.

UH, YOU KNOW, TO BE IN OUR SCHOOLS AS SCHOOL RESOURCE OFFICERS, WHICH ARE, IS, IS A SPECIAL, I THINK WE ALL AGREE THAT THAT IS REALLY SPECIAL CANDIDATE, UH, THAT WE CONSIDER TO BE THAT CLOSE IN ASSOCIATION TO OUR KIDS.

DIFFICULT TO FIND A CLASS ONE OR IN A CLASS ONE LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER, FOR THOSE THAT DON'T KNOW, IS ONE THAT GOES TO THE ACADEMY FOR 12 WEEKS, SPENDS 12 WEEKS FOR THE MOST PART IN COLUMBIA.

UM, AND, BUT WE KNOW THE IMPORTANCE OF THE SCHOOL RESOURCE OFFICER PROGRAM BECAUSE OF THE SAFETY FACTORS IT CREATES, NOT ONLY IN OUR SCHOOLS, BUT WHAT OUR, WHAT OUR COMMUNITIES AS WELL.

BECAUSE THE SCHOOL IS A MELTING POT OF THE COMMUNITIES THAT WE SERVE.

SO HAVING THAT RIGHT PERSON IN THAT JOB AND THAT ROLE TO PROVIDE SECURITY TO OUR KIDS LEADERSHIP, TO OUR KIDS, UH, AND GIVING THE CONFIDENCE TO THE STAFF TO WORK IN THE SCHOOLS.

I MEAN, IT'S IMPORTANT TO FIND THAT RIGHT PERSON.

SO IT'S

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AND WE DO SOME OF THE TRAINING HERE LOCALLY.

BUT EVERYTHING ELSE, UH, HAS TO BE DONE IN COLUMBIA.

AND THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT WE'RE TRYING TO ATTRACT TO BE SCHOOL RESOURCE OFFICERS THAT REALLY DON'T WANT TO GIVE UP THEIR LIFE AND THEIR FAMILY TO GO TO COLUMBIA AND GO THROUGH BOOTCAMP TO BE A CLASS ONE LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER.

SO I HAD OUR TRAINING STAFF PUT TOGETHER A TRAINING SYLLABUS FOR A, WHAT WE CALL A CLASS THREE.

UH, AND IT WAS A CLASS THREE DESIGNATION FOR SCHOOL RESOURCE OFFICER.

WHAT THAT DID IS IT ALLOWED US TO CREATE A TRAINING SYLLABUS THAT WE COULD TAKE A PERSON, UM, YOU KNOW, OF, OF ANY AGE.

UM, AND THAT WE WOULD BRING THEM INTO LAW ENFORCEMENT ENVIRONMENT, YOU KNOW, WITH BLUFFTON OR BEAUFORT OR PORT ROYAL OR THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE.

UH, AND WE WOULD TRAIN THEM HERE IN BEAUFORT COUNTY.

ALL OF THEIR TRAINING WOULD BE DONE RIGHT HERE.

UH, IT WOULD BE EIGHT WEEKS, MAYBE A LITTLE MORE THAN EIGHT WEEKS OF TRAINING.

UH, WE WOULD LIKE TO START THIS, UH, OUR FIRST CLASS.

WE'D LIKE TO START IT IN JUNE.

UH, THAT WAY WE CAN GET 'EM THROUGH THE PROGRAM AND BE READY FOR DEPLOYMENT, UH, WHEN SCHOOL STARTS IN AUGUST.

UH, I, I THINK IT'S AN AWESOME PROGRAM.

WE, WE, WE SENT THE TRAINING SYLLABUS TO THE ACADEMY THAT TRAINS ALL OF OUR LAW ENFORCEMENT IN SOUTH CAROLINA.

THEY APPROVED IT, UH, WITH THE BLESSING OF THE SOUTH CAROLINA TRAINING COUNCIL.

SO WE ARE READY TO GET THIS THING MOVING AND GET IT STARTED.

AND I THINK FOR US, UH, WE JUST NEED TO KIND OF TELL OUR CITIZENS, YOU KNOW, WHO ARE WE LOOKING FOR? UH, THE ROLE IS SCHOOL RESOURCE OFFICER.

IT'S A CLASS THREE LAW ENFORCEMENT DESIGNATION.

UH, IT'S A UNIFORM POSITION.

IT'S AN ARMED POSITION.

UH, THEY HAVE ARREST POWERS, UH, AND THEY HAVE ALL THE POWERS OF ANY OTHER LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER ON THE SCHOOL GROUNDS, UH, THAT THEY'RE ASSIGNED TO.

SO WHAT DO YOU THINK, JOE, SHERIFF? I THINK IT'S A GREAT IDEA, AND THANK YOU FOR TAKING LEAD ON THIS.

UM, WE HAVE FOUR ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS IN BLUFFTON THAT CURRENTLY ARE NOT STAFFED BY CLASS THREE OR HIGHER OFFICERS.

AND I THINK THAT THIS PROGRAM IS GONNA ATTRACT PEOPLE TO THESE POSITIONS AND IT'S GONNA PROVIDE MORE OF A SECURITY BLANKET FOR OUR SCHOOLS TO INCLUDE OUR ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS.

SO WE'RE DEFINITELY EXCITED ABOUT IT.

WE'RE EXCITED TO BE PART OF IT.

SO THANK YOU.

DALE.

WHO, WHO DO WE WANT TO ATTRACT? I THINK WE'VE GOT A, WE'VE GOT AN ENORMOUS NUMBER OF RETIRED MILITARY FOLKS HERE.

THAT ARE ABLE TO RETIRE FAIRLY YOUNG AND MAYBE LOOKING FOR THAT JOB.

THEY MAY HAVE CHILDREN IN OUR SCHOOLS AND WITH THE, WITH THE PROGRAM THAT YOU WERE ABLE TO PUT TOGETHER.

UM, THEY'LL BE HOME WHEN THEIR CHILDREN ARE HOME, NOT IN SCHOOL.

AND, UM, AND I'VE ALWAYS SAID, YOU AND I HAVE HAD THIS CONVERSATION, SHERIFF, WE, WE NEED TO GET INTO THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL IF WE, IF WE WAITED UNTIL HIGH SCHOOLS WERE TOO LATE.

SO I, IT'S A GREAT PROGRAM.

I'M, I'M GLAD THAT YOU TOOK THE LEAD ON IT.

UM, I'M EXCITED TO SEE IF WE CAN GET SOME PEOPLE IN, BUT I REALLY THINK THE YOUNG RETIRED MILITARY PEOPLE ARE JUST, THEY'RE JUST MADE FOR THIS, YOU KNOW, AND WE'VE GONE THROUGHOUT OUR CAREERS, UH, IN THE COUNTY OF BEAUFORT AND WE'VE HAD CONVERSATION AFTER CONVERSATION WITH DIFFERENT PEOPLE THAT SAY, YOU KNOW, I'M RETIRED, I'D LIKE TO FIND SOMETHING TO DO.

AND THEN YOU START TALKING TO 'EM AND THEY'RE A RETIRED TEACHER OR RETIRED LAW ENFORCEMENT, RETIRED FIRE DEPARTMENT, RETIRED MILITARY, RETIRED BANKER IS RETIRED, I MEAN, RETIRED, THIS, THAT, AND THE OTHER.

AND THEY'RE STILL, STILL AT AN AGE THAT THEY COULD, UM, THEY, THEY COULD DO THIS JOB WITH NO PROBLEM AT ALL OF ANY KIND.

UM, AND THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT, THAT I'D LIKE TO SEE.

I'D LIKE TO SEE, UH, THOSE THAT ARE STILL, THAT STILL FEEL LIKE THEY CAN MAKE A DIFFERENCE.

THAT MAYBE HAVE ALWAYS LOOKED AT LAW ENFORCEMENT AS BEING A JOB, BUT BECAUSE OF THE PAY AND BECAUSE OF THE, YOU KNOW, THE WORKING CONDITIONS AND FAMILIES AND, AND ALL THAT, THEY JUST DIDN'T WANNA DO IT.

BUT HERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY, UH, TO MAKE $45,000 A YEAR STARTING PAY TO WORK BASICALLY THE SCHEDULE OF THE TEACHING AND SUPPORT STAFF OF THE SCHOOL DISTRICT, WHICH IS A PRETTY GOOD SCHEDULE.

IT IS, UH, TO HAVE BENEFITS, UH, TO BE IN A RETIREMENT SYSTEM AND TO BE ABLE TO BRING THEIR MATURITY, UH, THEIR LIFE EXPERIENCE AND, AND YOU KNOW, TO TO ELEMENTARY SCHOOL AGE KIDS WHO WILL BENEFIT GREATLY FROM JUST HAVING THAT OPPORTUNITY TO SOCIALIZE AND BE AROUND, UH, THESE FOLKS THAT BRING A LOT TO THE TABLE.

AND I, WE AND OUR COMMUNITIES.

YOU TAKE BLUFFTON AND BEAUFORT AND, AND IN THE COUNTY AND THEN IN PORT ROYAL, THOSE PEOPLE ARE HERE.

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THEY ARE.

AND THEY'RE LOOKING FOR THINGS TO DO.

AND I JUST THINK THIS IS AN AWESOME OPPORTUNITY FOR THEM TO, YOU KNOW WHAT, JUST DO IT KINDA LIKE NIKE.

LET'S JUST DO IT.

UH, YOU KNOW, I THINK IT'S, THE TRAINING IS, I THINK THEY'LL ENJOY THEIR TRAINING.

AGAIN, IT'S ALL DONE RIGHT HERE.

THEY, THEY'LL STAY AT HOME, THEY'LL SLEEP IN THEIR OWN BED, THEY'LL HAVE THEIR OWN PILLOW, AND THEN THEY CAN COME TO TRAINING.

AND ONCE THEY'RE CERTIFIED, UH, THEN THEY'LL START THE SCHOOL YEAR, UH, AUGUST OF THIS YEAR.

SO, I MEAN, I KNOW YOUR COMMUNITY REPRESENTS THAT OPPORTUNITY AS WELL.

YOU KNOW.

SO WHAT ELSE, WHAT ELSE YOU THINK THIS, UM, THIS PROGRAM'S GONNA DO IN TOTALITY FOR WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH? I THINK, I THINK THIS PROGRAM, ONE WILL BE ABLE TO GET US OVER THE TOP.

I THINK WE'LL BE ABLE TO GET, WE'LL BE ABLE TO GET A POLICE OFFICER IN EVERY SCHOOL IN BUFORT COUNTY, WHICH IS IMPORTANT.

A POLICE OFFICER AND I, AND I, AND YOU KNOW, WE, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS.

THERE'S A LOT OF TRAINING THAT GOES ALONG WITH THIS JOB.

THERE IS.

AND YOU KNOW, THIS IS NOT A SECURITY OFFICER.

NO.

THIS IS A LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER, UH, THAT'S GONNA BE WELL TRAINED, UH, IN THIS.

AND I THINK THAT AT THE END OF THE DAY, THAT'S, IT'S EXTREMELY IMPORTANT.

AND I THINK WITH THE YOUNG CHILDREN TARGETING THE RETIREES, WHETHER THEY'RE RETIRED TEACHERS, RETIRED MILITARY IS IMPORTANT.

THEY'VE GOT THE LIFE EXPERIENCE FOR THE, FOR THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS.

AND TO GET THAT STARTED OFF.

SO I THINK , HOW, HOW MANY, HOW MANY OPENINGS DO YOU HAVE FOR THIS PROGRAM? FOR THIS PROGRAM? WE, WE ONLY HAVE TWO CURRENTLY.

POSSIBLY A THIRD COMING ON BOARD.

I'VE GOT NINE.

JOE, I HAVE FOUR.

SO I MEAN, IN TOTAL, AND HERE'S THE THING.

IT, IT DOESN'T MATTER IF YOU WORK AT THE CITY OF BEAUFORT OR THE TOWN OF BLUFFTON, UH, OR PORT ROYAL OR FOR THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE.

YOU KNOW, WE WANT YOU TO COME TO WORK.

AND LAW ENFORCEMENT TO BE A CLASS THREE SRO, DOESN'T MATTER WHERE YOU GO, DOESN'T MATTER WHO YOU'RE EMPLOYED BY.

THAT PAY IS GONNA BE THE SAME TO WORK ENVIRONMENT'S, BASICALLY THE SAME.

THAT MAY BE A DIFFERENCE IN UNIFORM THAT YOU WEAR AT THE SCHOOL THAT YOU'RE ASSIGNED TO, UH, THE PAY.

I MEAN, EVERYTHING IS GOING TO BE BASICALLY THE SAME.

SO ALL WE WANT PEOPLE TO DO IS PUT THEIR APPLICATIONS IN, GIVE US THE OPPORTUNITY TO SIT DOWN AND EXPLAIN THE PROGRAM IN DETAIL.

AND IF YOU REALLY HAVE AN INTEREST IN IT, UH, THEN LET'S, LET'S, LET'S GET STARTED.

WHAT DO YOU THINK, JOE? YEAH.

AND, AND ONE THING THAT I WANT TO HIT ON IS THIS PROGRAM IS IMPORTANT AND, AND REASON BEING IS NONE OF OUR KIDS SHOULD FEEL AFRAID GOING TO SCHOOL.

UM, THEY SHOULD BE GOING TO SCHOOL TO LEARN AND NOT WORRYING ABOUT THEIR SAFETY.

UM, AND WHAT THIS DOES IS THIS PROVIDES ANOTHER LAYER OF SAFETY FOR ALL OF OUR SCHOOLS, ESPECIALLY THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS.

UM, IT ALSO PROVIDES PEOPLE WITH AN OPPORTUNITY TO MENTOR THESE YOUNG MEN AND WOMEN.

, UH, AS THEY'RE COMING UP THROUGH THE SCHOOL SYSTEM.

AND SO, LIKE THE SHERIFF SAID, IF YOU TRULY WANT TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE, UH, THIS IS A POSITION THAT YOU REALLY, REALLY WILL BE MAKING A DIFFERENCE.

I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO IT.

I JUST HOPE THE APPLICATION START POURING IN.

AND IF YOU GET MORE THAN, THAN YOU NEED THEN AND, AND WE NEED TO GO TO BEAUFORT OR WE NEED TO GO TO, UH, THE, THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE OR, OR PORT ROYAL, WE JUST NEED, WE NEED TO PUT THESE PEOPLE TO WORK.

WE NEED TO FILL THESE VACANCIES, UH, AND LET'S MAKE OUR SCHOOLS IN BEAUFORT COUNTY AS SAFE AS THEY POSSIBLY CAN.

ABSOLUTELY.

AND I THINK THE UNIQUENESS OF THIS PROGRAM, THESE OFFICERS WILL BE TRAINED BY PEOPLE THAT HAVE CHILDREN IN THESE SCHOOLS.

THEY HAVE THE SAME DESIRES, THE OUTCOMES THAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR.

SO I'M, I'M LOOKING FORWARD, LOOKING FORWARD TO IT.

WELL, I MEAN, THE GREAT THING ABOUT IT IS THAT WE ARE, WE WILL BE DOING THE TRAINING TOGETHER.

IF YOU GET, IF YOU GET, IF YOU HIRE ONE OR TWO AND YOU HIRE FOUR AND YOU KNOW, AND I CAN FILL TO NINE THAT WE NEED, WE'RE ALL GONNA BE TRAINING TOGETHER.