Oct 14, 2024 Community Services and Land Use Committee

[1. CALL TO ORDER]

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MEETING TO ORDER THE COMMUNITY SERVICES AND LAND USE COMMITTEE PLEASE FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE MY ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED TO AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS ONE NATION UNDER GOD INDIVISIBLELL. OKAY, WE HAVE ONE MEMBER OF THE COMMITTEE ON ZOOM AND PLEASE MAKE SURE I IF YOU HAVE SOMETHING RAISE YOUR HAND TOPS.

I'M TRYING TO KEEP MY EYES OUT FOR YOU. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU. PUBLIC NOTIFICATION OF THIS MEETING HAS BEEN PUBLISHED, POSTED AND DISTRIBUTE IT IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE SOUTH CAROLINA FREEDOM OF INFORMATION ACT CONFIRM THAT MS. BROCK YES, MA'AM, I HAVE. OKAY.

[4. APPROVAL OF AGENDA]

I'LL MAKE THE MOTION. I'LL SECOND THAT. OKAY.

WE HAVE MOTION BY MR. HAMMER TAKE A SECOND BY MS.. BROWN WITHOUT OBJECTION AGENDA IS APPROVED MINUTES WERE PUBLISHED IN THE PACKET OF SEPTEMBER 9TH.

[5. APPROVAL OF MINUTES - September 9, 2024]

WITHOUT OBJECTION, THE MINUTES ARE APPROVED. DO WE HAVE ANY CITIZEN COMMENTS TODAY? NO. NO.

[7. ASSISTANT COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR REPORT- Chuck Atkinson]

YES, MA'AM. GOOD AFTERNOON TO EVERYONE. SO THIS TIME OF YEAR BEING IN HURRICANE SEASON WE HAVE A LOT OF NEWS REPORTS AND A LOT OF INFORMATION THAT COMES OUT ABOUT FLOODING AND THERE ARE A NUMBER OF TERMS THAT ARE USED SUCH AS NFIP.

HOW YOU KNOW, A 100 YEAR FLOOD, A 500 YEAR FLOOD AND WHAT WANT TO DO TODAY IS JUST WALK THROUGH OUR PARTICIPATION IN THE NATIONAL FLOOD INSURANCE PROGRAM, HOW IT CAME, HOW WE PARTICIPATE AND IN ADDITION TO THAT, OUR IN THE VOLUNTARY COMMUNITY RATING SYSTEMS PROGRAM WHAT THAT MEANS HOW IT BENEFITS THE CITIZENS OF COUNTY.

BUT BEFORE I DO THAT WE HAVE A NEW MANAGER IN COUNTY AND WE COME UP HERE PLEASE AND I WANT TO INTRODUCE ANNIE. SHE'S BEEN HERE WHAT TWO MONTHS? ABOUT TWO MONTHS. I KNOW IT FEELS MUCH THAN TWO MONTHS WHEN YOU COME ON BOARD AS A FLOODPLAIN MANAGER IN THE MIDDLE OF HURRICANE SEASON AND THEN YOU GET BACK BACK STORMS THAT ARE CLOSE CALLS IT GETS REAL BUSY REAL FAST. SO THIS IS CHEYENNE OR ANNIE PIFER. SHE IS A CERTIFIED FLOODPLAIN MANAGER THROUGH THE ASSOCIATION OF STATE FLOODPLAIN MANAGERS. THAT IS A NATIONAL CERTIFICATION AND IT IS NOT EASY GET SO WE'RE VERY PROUD TO HAVE SOMEONE WITH THAT CREDENTIAL BOARD.

SHE HOLDS VARIOUS CERTIFICATIONS ALSO AS A BUILDING INSPECTOR AND PRIOR TO WORKING WITH COUNTY WORKED WITH THE COMMUNITY AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT WITH THE CITY OF BEAUFORT. SHE WAS WITH THEM FOR FIVE YEARS BEFORE THE WORLD OF BUILDING CODES AND FLOODPLAIN MANAGEMENT AND HE WAS A HELICOPTER MECHANIC IN THE UNITED STATES MARINE CORPS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR SERVICE.

SHE IS A FOURTH GENERATION TONY AND IS CURRENTLY RAISING A FIFTH GENERATION OF YOU FOR TONY SO I ASKED IF SHE WANTED TO MAKE A SPEECH AND SHE NO BUT WE WELCOME HER AND I CAN TELL YOU SHE MADE A REAL IMPACT IN HER FIRST TWO MONTHS BEING HERE AND SO SO GLAD TO HAVE HER SO WELCOME THANK AND CONGRATULATE WELCOME WELCOME. CAN I ASK WHAT EXACTLY YOU DO I MEAN? I GOT THE FLOOD PART PART WE GOT IT.

YES. SO DAY TO DAY OPERATIONS WHEN MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY ARE SO READY FOR BUILDING PERMITS TO EITHER RENOVATE THEIR HOMES OR BUILD NEW HOMES, MAKE THAT THEY ADHERE TO THE STANDARDS OF THE AND I CAN WHICH CHECK IS GOING TO BE A LITTLE BIT TOO THAT THAT IS THE NATIONAL FLOOD INSURANCE PROGRAM AND THEN ALSO THE VOLUNTARY THE COMMUNITY RATING SYSTEM I HELP HELPING COMMUNITY MEMBERS JUST TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT THEY MAY ABOUT WHAT IS THE BASELINE ELEVATION, WHAT ARE THE STANDARDS THEIR HOMES NEED TO BE BUILT TO ANYTHING. OH OKAY. THANK YOU.

CAN YOU TELL US HOW YOU IS YOUR LAST NAME SPELL US IS P.E.I. AT E R OKAY.

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THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. SO THE ITEMS THAT ANY JUST RAN DOWN AS PART OF HER JOB DESCRIPTION THAT IS A VERY BROAD SUMMARY OF WHAT WE DO COLLECTIVELY AS A BUILDING DEPARTMENT AS IT TO FLOODPLAIN MANAGEMENT.

SO WHAT I'M TO DO IF IF YOU CAN BRING UP THE I THINK THERE'S THREE SLIDES IF YOU BRING UP THE FIRST ONE I WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE NATIONAL FLOOD INSURANCE PROGRAM.

SO I LIKE TO TELL A STORY AS MOST OF YOU KNOW I WAS BORN AND RAISED HERE.

MY FAMILY GOES BACK GENERATIONS MY GRANDPARENTS WHO DID NOT HAVE A LOT OF MONEY HAD A PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT WAS RIGHT ON THE WATER. AND I REMEMBER ASKING MY GRANDMOTHER THEY BOUGHT IT BACK IN THE EARLY 1940S I SAID HOW IN THE WORLD A DOLLAR FOR THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY AND SHE SAID IT WAS THE CHEAPEST THING WE COULD FIND IN MY TIMES HAVE CHANGED RIGHT? WELL THE REASON IT WAS THE CHEAPEST OF PROPERTY IS THEY DIDN'T HAVE THE WEATHER CHANNEL. THEY WERE SCARED OF WEATHER.

RIGHT. THEY DID NOT HAVE THE NOTIFICATION OF STORMS WERE VERY IMPACTFUL BECAUSE WE DID NOT HAVE REGULATIONS OF HOW HOW YOU COULD BUILD WHERE YOU COULD BUILD AND FOLKS GENERALLY IN THIS AREA WERE VERY TO THOSE TYPES OF STORMS AND INSURANCE WAS VERY HARD TO COME BY WHETHER. IT WAS HOMEOWNER'S INSURANCE.

YOU DIDN'T YOU REALLY COULDN'T BORROW A LOT OF MONEY TO BUILD A HOUSE BACK THEN SO YOU HAD TO PAY OUT OF POCKET AND YOU WERE IN LARGE PART SELF-INSURED SO FLOOD INSURANCE WAS A RIDER HOMEOWNER'S INSURANCE POLICIES UP UNTIL THE 1960S AND I CAN'T GET TOO FAR DOWN IN THE LEGISLATION BUT BECAUSE OF A A NUMBER OF STORMS THAT TOOK OR FLOODING EVENTS THAT TOOK PLACE IN THOSE DECADES, THE HOMEOWNER'S INSURANCE GROUPS SAID WE'RE NOT DOING FLOOD INSURANCE ANYMORE. WE'RE JUST OUT OF THE GAME WHICH LEFT A LOT OF PEOPLE WITH NO OTHER OPTION. SO IN 1968 WE HAVE THE NATIONAL FLOOD INSURANCE ACT THAT ESTABLISHED FLOOD INSURANCE IN SPECIFIC AREAS. SO AS OF THAT ENACTMENT AS WE MOVED INTO 1970S, THEY HAD TO RATE THOSE POLICIES. HOW DO WE FIGURE OUT A RISK MODEL AND HOW DO WE THESE POLICIES AND COME UP WITH HOW MUCH FOLKS ARE GOING TO PAY AND IMPORTANTLY HOW DO THEY DETERMINE THE AMOUNT OF RISK THAT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IS WILLING TO UNDERWRITE WITH THESE FLOOD POLICIES? WELL, ON THOSE RATE MAPS WE HAVE BFE BASE FLOOD ELEVATIONS. WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? WELL BASE FLOOD ELEVATIONS ARE ON OUR 1% STATISTICAL MODEL LINES THAT SAY AT THIS LEVEL A 1% CHANCE IN EVERY CALENDAR YEAR OR THERE IS A CHANCE IN THE CALENDAR YEAR THAT FLOOD LEVELS GET TO THIS LEVEL THAT IS YOUR PERCENT STATISTICAL MODEL ANYTHING AT OR BELOW THAT CONSIDERED A SPECIAL FLOOD HAZARD AREA AND THAT'S WHERE THE 100 YEAR FLOOD COMES FROM. IT'S A IT'S A MISNOMER AND I ALWAYS CRINGE WHEN I HEAR ON TV SAY IT WAS A 500 YEAR FLOOD OR A THOUSAND YEAR FLOOD BECAUSE THEY'RE USING TIME TO RATE THE SEVERITY OF A FLOOD WHEN. IN REALITY IT'S A PERCENT NUMBER. IT'S A PROBABILITY STATISTIC OVER A GIVEN AMOUNT OF TIME NOT OKAY. YOU HAD A 500 YEAR FLOOD. YOU'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE ANOTHER 500 YEAR FLOOD FOR ANOTHER HUNDRED YEARS. RIGHT.

OR A THOUSAND YEAR FLOOD LIKE TO DESCRIBE IT BY SAYING YOU CAN HAVE TEN 500 YEAR FLOODS IN A DECADE AND THE FLOOD MAPS ARE STILL RIGHT BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT MEASURING TIME.

THEY'RE MEASURING SEVERITY OF FLOOD DEPTH. SO WE USE THOSE RATE MAPS TO DETERMINE A BASE FLOOD ELEVATIONS WHICH DEFINE AN ELEVATED POINT IN SPACE ABOVE MEAN SEA LEVEL AND OUR BUILD TO LINE IN SOUTH CAROLINA THAT BUILD LINE HAS BEEN ADDED.

WE'VE ADDED ONE FOOT IT'S CALLED A FREE BOARD THAT'S DONE THROUGH THE ADOPTION OF THE STATEWIDE MANDATED BUILDING CODE WHICH I THINK IN 2016 THEY INCORPORATED FLOOD PROVISIONS IN THAT CODE . SO NOW WE HAVE FEMA REGULATIONS ,WE HAVE A STATEWIDE MANDATED BUILDING CODE WITH FLOOD AS BEING PART OF THAT WITH A ONE FOOT FREE BOARD ADDED TO THAT TO THAT CODE . SO DOES THE NFIB DO WELL? WE HAVE A NUMBER OF THINGS WHEN I SAY THERE ARE A NUMBER OF REGULATIONS AND BOXES WE HAVE TO CHECK SO THAT THE GENERAL PUBLIC HAS THE OPPORTUNITY WITHIN OUR JURISDICTION TO BUY FLOOD INSURANCE. WE ARE VERY HEAVILY REGULATED STATE DNR HAZARD MITIGATION

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THAT'S PRETTY RESTRICTIVE BUT THOSE ARE THE THINGS THAT WE GET GRADED AND WE HAVE TO TRACK THEM AND IF WE DON'T THEY CAN ACTUALLY THEY BEING FEMA REGION AND THE IMR CAN ACTUALLY PULL OUR ABILITY TO SELL FLOOD INSURANCE THE COUNTY WE DON'T WANT THAT RIGHT SO ON THIS SLIDE WE HAVE A FEW BUCKETS RIGHT THE? THE LEGISLATION 1968 THE IMPORTANCE LET'S SEE HERE FLOODING IN CYCLONE EVENTS ARE THE AND MOST COMMON DISASTER.

THAT'S WHY THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IT AND IT'S NO LONGER PART OF AN INSURANCE POLICY A PRIVATE INSURANCE POLICY PARTICIPATION IN ALLOWS RESIDENTS TO PURCHASE FEDERALLY BACKED MORTGAGES, CREATES MORE RESILIENT COMMUNITIES AND RECEPTION OF FLOOD DISASTER ASSISTANCE POST-STORM. SO YOU GOT AN EMAIL THAT STATED THAT WE QUALIFIED INDIVIDUAL ASSISTANCE IF WE'RE NOT PART OF THESE PROGRAMS NONE OF THAT IS AVAILABLE TO US AND ALL THIS IS FACILITATED THROUGH YOUR BUILDING CODES DEPARTMENT AND IN LARGE PART THESE ARE ALL THE ACTIVITIES THAT OUR FLOODPLAIN MANAGER OVERSEES ON A DAY TO DAY BASIS WE SO LET'S TALK ABOUT THE IMPACTS PROTECTION TODAY, THE PROGRAM, THE NEG OR THE NATIONAL FLOOD INSURANCE PROGRAM PROTECTS $1.2 TRILLION IN ASSETS. THERE ARE NEARLY MILLION POLICYHOLDERS THROUGHOUT THE NATION AND IN BEAUFORT COUNTY WE HAVE 11,290 FLOOD POLICIES.

SO IF YOU GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE I WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE COMMUNITY RATING SYSTEM.

SO THAT'S THE BAREBONES NFIP, RIGHT? THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE TO DO TO PARTICIPATE IN THAT PROGRAM. SO THE FOLKS CAN BUY FLOOD INSURANCE.

NOW WE TALK ABOUT THE RATES. THERE IS A VOLUNTARY PROGRAM THAT CALLED THE COMMUNITY RATING SYSTEM PROGRAM WE CALL IT CRC AND THERE ARE CERTAIN CATEGORIES WITHIN CRC WHERE A COMMUNITY CAN QUALIFY BASED ON HOW WELL WE DO OUR JOB, HOW WELL WE TRACK DATA, HOW WELL HOW WELL WE INTERACT THE PUBLIC AND WHAT REGULATORY STANDARDS AND HOW WELL WE TRACK THOSE REGULATORY STANDARDS AND ACTIONS WE CAN GET POINTS WELL WHEN YOU LOOK AT CRC GOES FROM 10 TO 110 BEING THE LEAST ONE BEING THE BEST. SO WHEN YOU ENTER THE PROGRAM JUST WITH JUST BY FILLING OUT THE APPLICATION BASICALLY YOU MEET THE MINIMUM CRITERIA YOU'RE TEN WELL YOU DON'T GET ANY DISCOUNTS AS A TEN BUT AS YOU INCREASE IN STATUS YOU GET MORE AND MORE FLOOD DISCOUNTS UP TO A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE. WE ARE NOW CLASS FIVE SO A CLASS FIVE GETS A 25% DISCOUNT. OUR CITIZENS GET A 25% DISCOUNT IF THEY LIVE IN FLOOD HAZARD AREA AND 15% DISCOUNT IF THEY LIVE THE SPECIAL FLOOD HAZARD AREA ON THEIR FLOOD INSURANCE AND THAT IS UNINCORPORATED COUNTY. THE MUNICIPALITIES SEPARATELY.

SO I WANT TO GO THROUGH SOME OF THE BUCKETS THAT WE GET ON THAT WE GET POINTS FOR CONSTRUCTION CERTIFICATE MANAGEMENT, ANY REVIEWS, ALL OF THE FLOOD CERTIFICATES THAT COME THROUGH THE OFFICE THESE THE DOCUMENTS THAT TELL US HOW HIGH THINGS ARE AND GIVE US A SORT OF A SYNOPSIS OF WHAT EXISTS ON THE SITE, HOW HIGH IT IS WHAT'S BELOW WHAT THE FLOOD WARNINGS ARE, WHAT IS REQUIRED SO ON AND SO FORTH AND WHAT FLOODS ON THEIR END.

SO WE TRACK THOSE, WE MAINTAIN THOSE, WE SEND THOSE AS PART OF THE PERMIT APPLICATION FILE OVER RECORDS MANAGEMENT. WE KEEP ALL OF THAT IN PERPETUITY.

SO IF ANYBODY WANTS TO BUY A HOUSE THEY WANT TO KNOW THE FLOOD HISTORY THEY CAN SUBMIT IT FOR YOUR REQUEST AND WE WE HAVE ALL OF THAT DATA FOR EVERYTHING THAT HAS BEEN PERMITTED BACK TO THE I WOULD SAY MIDDLE 1990S AND BEFORE THAT IT WAS ON MICROFICHE AND WE HAVE A LOT OF THINGS BUT SOME OF THE MICROFICHE YOU KNOW THEY DEGRADE OVER TIME AND THEY DIDN'T MAKE THROUGH IF YOU WILL. SO THERE ARE SOME HOLES PRE

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WE GET INVITED TO DO DIFFERENT FLOOD PRESENTATIONS. WE DO THOSE AND WE GET POINTS FOR THOSE PRESENTATIONS. WE HAVE THOSE OUTREACH PROJECTS, THOSE ARE THE PAMPHLETS DIFFERENT THINGS THAT YOU SEE AROUND THAT WE DEAL FLOOD AND HURRICANE PREPAREDNESS THE FLOOD AND RESPONSE THAT COMES THROUGH M.D. THE EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT DIVISION IF YOU HAVE PIXEL THE FLOOD ALERT, FLOOD ALERTS, FLOOD WARNINGS AND ARMY READY COMMUNITY WE GET POINTS FOR ALL OF THAT OUR HIGHER REGULATORY STANDARDS THAT IS OUR FREE BOARD AND IN ADDITION TO THAT OUR EMS FOR THROUGH STORM WATER WE GET POINTS FOR THAT OUR HAZARD MITIGATION PLAN WE GET POINTS FOR OPEN SPACE PRESERVATION IS A BIG ONE PRIOR TO THIS YEAR'S CYCLE WE WERE GETTING MORE POINTS THAN WE GET NOW FOR ALL OF OUR RURAL AND CRITICAL BUT BECAUSE THE MAPS CHANGED A LOT OF WHAT WE HAD IN RURAL AND CRITICAL CAME OUT OF THE FLOODPLAIN YOU GET POINTS BY ACREAGE WITHIN THE FLOODPLAIN SO THOSE SHIFTED BUT WE FOUND OTHER TO MAKE UP FOR THOSE LOST POINTS AND WE REMAINED OF FIVE THROUGH THIS YEAR'S RENEWAL CYCLE SO HAZARD DISCLOSURE SAME THING I'VE ALREADY DISCUSSED THEN REPETITIVE LOSS REPETITIVE LOSS FEMA REALLY TAKES REPETITIVE LOSS STUFF VERY SERIOUSLY WE TO TRACK THOSE WE HAVE TO MAP THEM. THERE'S A LOT OF CONFIDENTIALITY GOES ALONG WITH THE DOCUMENTS THAT WE RECEIVE WE ARE GOING THROUGH WHAT'S KNOWN AS A REPETITIVE LOSS AREA ANALYSIS RIGHT NOW THAT ANNIE IS SPEARHEADING AND WE WILL GET ADDITIONAL FOR THE CRC CREDIT ON THAT. WE CAN WORK WITH THOSE HOMEOWNERS ONE ON ONE TO IDENTIFY WAYS TO HELP THEM IN THE FUTURE PREVENT LOSSES OR IF THEY GET TO A POINT WHERE THEY'VE REACHED THAT 50% MARK WE CAN HELP APPLY FOR GRANTS TO GET MONEY TO ELEVATE THEIR PROPERTY AS JIM HAS MENTIONED. YES, GOOD QUICK QUESTION.

SURE. TALK ABOUT CREDITS AND CREDIT. WHO GETS THE CREDIT? WHAT DO YOU MEAN CREDIT? SORRY I'M THAT YOU KNOW WHAT I SEE HERE? YOU SAID CREDIT IS POOR. OH SURE FOR SURE AND SO SURE SO WHO RECEIVES IT? SO THE COUNTY GET WHEN I SAY CREDIT IT'S A POINT SYSTEM AND THE MORE POINTS YOU ACCUMULATE UNDER THE CRC SYSTEM THEN YOU GO FROM A CLASS 98765 SO YOU GET A HIGHER RATING EVEN THOUGH IT'S A LOWER NUMBER YOU GET A HIGHER RATING BUT. THE COUNTY ACTUALLY GETS THE POINTS DURING THE AUDIT AND IT'S ABOUT AN EIGHT MONTH LONG SCENARIO.

IT'S ABOUT OR 500 PAGES WITH ABOUT YOU HAVE A LITTLE CREDIT YOU PASS ON TO YOU RIGHT ANYBODY WHO PAYS FOR A FLOOD INSURANCE POLICY IN BEAUFORT COUNTY IF THEY'RE IN A SPECIAL FLOOD HAZARD AREA AS A CLASS FIVE, THEY GET A 25% REDUCTION IN IN PREMIUMS. YEP. THAT'S THAT'S HOW THOSE CREDITS WORK JUST POINTS SYSTEM.

APPRECIATE IT CHUCK. HOW DO KNOW THEY GOT THE CREDIT IT'S ON THEIR BILL IT'S IN YOUR INSURANCE POLICY IT WILL BE COMMUNITY IT'S I BELIEVE IT'S CALLED A COMMUNITY.

AND WHEN DID THEY PUT IN THE PENALTY NOT RENEWING YOUR POLICY ON TIME WHICH IS A WHOPPER OF A PENALTY. RIGHT. SO COUNTY DOES NOT GET INVOLVED WITH THE ACTUAL OF INSURANCE POLICIES. SO THAT WOULD BE A QUESTION THAT THE INSURANCE PROVIDER OR BROKER WHO'S ON BEHALF OF FEMA THAT'S WHO YOU MAKE THE APPLICATION TO PAY THE MONEY TO. THOSE ARE THE FOLKS WHO WOULD HAVE TO THAT HAVE TO TALK TO. HOWEVER I WOULD BE HAPPY TO BRING ONE OR TWO OF THOSE AGENTS IN IF YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT THAT BECAUSE IN THE LAST SIX OR SEVEN YEARS THEY HAVE MODIFIED THE RATING SYSTEM BECAUSE IT WAS SKEWED THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT WAS TAKING ON WAY MORE RISK BY SUBSIDIZING EXISTING NON-CONFORMING HOMES IN BACK I THINK IT WAS 2008 OR NINE LEGISLATION WAS PASSED WHERE THEY WANTED TO BRING THE RATE MORE IN LINE WITH THE RISK WHEN THEY FIRST BROUGHT THAT OUT IT WAS A REAL SHOCKER BECAUSE ANYBODY WITH EXISTING NONCONFORMING USES IT WAS TRIPLING AND QUADRUPLING THEIR FLOOD INSURANCE.

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BUT I CAN'T SPEAK TO HOW MUCH BECAUSE IT'S REALLY ON AN INDIVIDUAL BASIS AND IT HAS TO DO WITH THEIR UNIQUE RISK OF WHERE THEY SIT HOW FAR BELOW FLOOD THEY ARE, HOW ALL THE HOUSE IS, THE BUILDING IS AND SO ON AND SO FORTH. BUT AS A GREAT QUESTION AND THAT IS A WHOLE ANOTHER PART OF THE CONVERSATION I THINK MADAM CHAIRMAN OH, HOLD ON TIME. WE'LL COME BACK TO YOU. YES, MA'AM.

THANK YOU, CHUCK. IF I MIGHT, YOU MENTIONED THE FACT THAT SOME OF THE STRUCTURES HOMES WERE CONSTRUCTED TO THE FLOOD ZONE IMPLEMENTATION.

ARE THOSE HOMEOWNERS REQUIRED TO HAVE FLOOD INSURANCE OR IF THEY'RE NOT REQUIRED IN THE EVENT OF A FLOOD THEN WHAT IS THE SCENARIO WHAT WHAT SORT OF WHAT DO THEY GO THROUGH? YEAH, SURE. SO OF DIFFERENT WAYS TO LOOK AT IT IF YOU OWN YOUR HOME FREE AND CLEAR YOU DON'T HAVE TO HAVE FLOOD INSURANCE. YOU'RE NOT REQUIRED TO HAVE FLOOD INSURANCE IF YOU BORROW MONEY THAT IS BACKED BY THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT FREDDIE MAC, FANNIE MAE ALMOST ALL OF THEM ARE OR THE LENDING INSTITUTION REQUIRES IT.

THEN YOU HAVE TO HAVE FLOOD INSURANCE SO LET'S SAY A HOUSE IS CONSIDERED PREFERRED.

WE GOT OUR INSURANCE RATE MAPS INITIALLY 1977 THOSE WERE FAIRLY LOW BFD FLOOD ELEVATIONS AND THERE WAS NO FREE BOARD IN 1986 THE MAPS WERE REDONE AND THE BASE FLOOD ELEVATION WENT UP SO A LOT OF HOMES PRE 1977 AND BETWEEN 77 AND 86 WHEN THE 86 MAPS CAME OUT WE'RE DEEMED EXISTING NON-CONFORMING RIGHT UNDER THE EXISTING MAPS FROM 1986 TO 2023 I THINK 2022 IS WHEN THEY WERE ADOPTED. THE NEW MAPS THEY WERE CONSIDERED EXISTING NON-CONFORMING SO IF THEY HAVE FLOOD INSURANCE THE GOVERNMENT WAS SUBSIDIZING THAT TO A PRETTY HIGH DEGREE KEEPING PREMIUM LOW. NOW THEY'RE SEEING THOSE GO UP.

LET'S THAT SOMETHING HAPPENS A FLOOD EVENT THAT HOUSE CAN BE UP TO DAMAGED AND REPAIRED OR EXPAND IN THE FLOODPLAIN UP TO 50% OF THE VALUE OF JUST STRUCTURE ONCE YOU GO OVER THAT 50% AND IT'S AN A CUMULATIVE TOTAL YOU'RE DONE. YOU CAN'T DO ANYTHING ELSE TO THAT HOUSE AND IF IT GETS AGAIN YOU CANNOT PULL PERMITS TO REPAIR IT AND IT PUTS YOU IN A SITUATION WHERE YOU CAN DO A CLAIM BUT THAT CLAIM IS GOING TO HAVE TO BE USED TO PICK THE HOUSE UP NOT REPAIR IT IN THE FLOODPLAIN. I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF MOVING PARTS TO THIS BUT SO LET'S TALK ABOUT SOME OF THE THE IMPACTS THE REALLY GOOD IMPACTS OF COUNTY'S STAFF ARE COUNTY STAFF WORKING IN THIS VOLUNTEER CREWS AND I WANT TO SHOW YOU WHAT A FIVE MEANS I HAVEN'T FORGOTTEN WE GOT TWO OTHERS THAT HAD QUESTIONS BUT GO AHEAD OH I'M SORRY. OKAY. WELL THIS MAY ANSWER THAT QUESTION SO THERE ARE 22,691 NFIP COMMUNITIES IN THE UNITED STATES THAT'S NATIONAL FLOOD INSURANCE PROGRAM COMMUNITIES OF THOSE 22,000 691 ONLY 1500 PARTICIPATE IN THE CRC.

IT'S VERY TIME CONSUMING AND IT IS A VERY DIFFICULT ARDUOUS PROCESS CANNOT OVERSTATE THAT OF THOSE HUNDRED IN COUNTY WE HAVE 11,290 FLOOD INSURANCE POLICIES.

YOU HAVE POINT 4% EXCUSE ME 10% OR 170 NATIONWIDE THAT ARE A A FIVE THAT'S IT.

SO OUT OF THE 22,000 ALMOST 23,000 COMMUNITIES THAT PARTICIPATE IN THE NFIP, ONLY 170 RATE OF FIVE THAT PUTS US IN THE TOP .00 1% OF ALL OF THOSE COMMUNITIES NATIONWIDE. SO THE QUESTION IS ALWAYS HOW DO WE BECOME AFFORD? WELL WHEN, YOU JUMP FROM A FIVE TO A FOUR ONLY SEVEN NATIONALLY PARTICIPATE BECAUSE ONCE YOU GET TO A FOUR YOU HIT A POINT OF DIMINISHING RETURN WHERE IT COSTS YOU SO MUCH TO BE A FOUR THAT IT NO LONGER OFFSETS AND MAKES SENSE TO BE A FOUR ESPECIALLY WHERE WE LIVE

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SO THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION. HAPPY TO ANSWER THE OTHER QUESTION COUNCILMAN LAWSON AND THEN COUNCILMAN AND YOU KNOW I KNOW FROM THE PAST AND AGAIN YOU DON'T SELL THE INSURANCE WHENEVER YOU GET FLOOD INSURANCE THERE'S IT'S CAPPED AT A CERTAIN AMOUNT $250,000. SO IT'S 250,000. YES.

IF YOU OWN A 500,000 HOME OR $1,000,000 HOME, YOU STILL WHEN YOU PURCHASE FLOOD INSURANCE YOU'RE ONLY UP TO THAT $250,000 FOR FLOOD INSURANCE. THAT IS CORRECT.

AND I WILL HAVE TO SAY THIS IN THE NEWS RELEASE THAT WAS SENT OUT ABOUT THE INDIVIDUAL ASSISTANCE, IT SAID THAT THAT WAS AVAILABLE TO PEOPLE WHO DID NOT HAVE FLOOD INSURANCE IT TYPICALLY COVERS AND ARE ROUND NUMBERS LESS THAN 10% OF THAT DOLLAR AMOUNT.

SO EVEN THOUGH INDIVIDUAL ASSISTANCE IS MADE AVAILABLE, IT IS A VERY DOLLAR AMOUNT TO A VERY LIMITED SECTION OF THE COMMUNITY. THOSE WHO INSURED AND IT'S NOT A WHOLE LOT OF MONEY THAT THEY GET. IT'S THAT IT'S THERE.

BUT IF YOU DON'T CARRY FLOOD INSURANCE AND YOU'RE IN IN A FLOOD ZONE AND SOMETHING HAPPENS YOU CAN BE IN A WORLD OF HURT JUST FROM PERSONAL EXPERIENCE.

IT GOES BACK TO WHAT MR. DAWSON ASK IS IS FEMA COMES IN AND YOU DO HAVE LOSSES.

FEMA DOES HAVE MONEY. YOU'RE GETTING PAID PENNIES ON THE DOLLAR FOR WHAT YOUR ACTUAL LOSS WAS AND THEY CAN BETTER MAKE YOU HOLD. HAVE A 20,000 OR A LOSS.

YOU MIGHT GET 8000 DOLLARS OF ASSISTANCE THROUGH FEMA. THAT'S BEEN MY EXPERIENCE IN THE PAST AND AGAIN THEY'RE GIVING SOMETHING IT'S NOT ANYWHERE NEAR SO YOU CAN'T RELY ON FEMA ASSISTANCE DURING A HURRICANE OR FLOODS TO MAKE UP FOR YOUR YOUR IT'S NOT A REPLACEMENT FOR ACTUALLY HAVING THE FLOOD INSURANCE, RIGHT? YEAH.

AND YOU KNOW, I GET TO ASK THE QUESTION ALL THE TIME IF LIVE HERE AND I'M NOT IN A FLOOD ZONE DO I NEED FLOOD INSURANCE ? WELL, IN A SPECIAL FLOOD HAZARD AREA AS I HAVE DESCRIBED THAT'S 1% MODEL. THE FLOOD WATERS DON'T GET TO THE 1.1% LINE AND STOP WE COULD VERY EASILY HAVE A 500 YEAR OR THOUSAND YEAR FLOOD.

CALCULATE THAT CAREFULLY CALCULATE YOUR RISK AND I HIGHLY RECOMMEND THAT IF YOU LIVE IN THIS AREA AND YOU'RE WITHIN THAT THOUSAND YEAR FLOODPLAIN IT'S PRETTY CHEAP INSURANCE YOU MIGHT WANT TO GET IT. YEAH OKAY COUNCILMAN RICH TOM GO AHEAD. MADAM CHAIRMAN. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

CAN YOU HEAR ME OKAY? WE CAN HEAR YOU. MR. ATKINSON.

FIRST OF ALL, THIS A VERY TIMELY SET OF SLIDES TO PRESENT.

WOULD YOU PLEASE HAVE MS. SEND THAT TO ALL OF US? I'D LIKE TO LOOK AT THOSE EVEN FURTHER I HAVE TWO VERY BRIEF QUESTIONS. ONE IS THIS NEWLY 26 ACRES DOWN AT MITCHELL VILLE DO THEY COUNT TOWARD A FLOOD ZONE AREA THAT WOULD GIVE GUILFORD COUNTY MORE OF A DISCOUNT THAT? WE JUST OFFICIALLY HAD THAT APPROVED FOR GREENSPACE THAT.

WE'RE NEVER GOING TO BUILD ON IT. WILL THAT HELP US AT ALL WITH OUR DISCOUNT FOR THOSE POLICIES? YES.

AND THAT'LL HELP HILTON HEAD BECAUSE THAT'S THEIR IN THEIR JURISDICTION AND THEY ARE ALSO A CLASS FIVE COMMUNITY. SO EACH COMMUNITY STANDS ON THEIR OWN MERIT AS FAR AS THE NFIB INCREASE PARTICIPATION. BUT CHUCK, THAT'S FANTASTIC. THAT LEADS ME TO MY NEXT QUESTION. YOU KNOW, JARED CAN SPEAK TO THIS PRETTY HEAVILY.

WE ARE IN A LONG TERM PROJECT WITH A COMMUNITY HERE ON THE ISLAND OF BAY PINES THAT ONE OF THE HOMES ARE FLOODED OUT LITTLE DAMAGE ELSEWHERE DOING AN AWFUL LOT OF WORK TO GET THAT BACK UP TO SPEED GOING FORWARD AND I BELIEVE THE FAMILY MEMBER THAT HAS BEEN FLOODED OUT THEIR FAMILY IS DISPLACED FOR QUITE SOME TIME NOW I BELIEVE THEY SAID THEY'RE WORKING WITH FEMA. PLEASE ME DOES THIS HOW DOES THIS HELP THIS FAMILY AND BAY PINES GOING THROUGH THIS RIGHT NOW? HOW WOULD HELP THEM KNOWING THIS INFORMATION WHEN YOU VISITED ONE JURISDICTION AND I DON'T WANT TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF THE TOWN BUT IN GENERAL A GENERAL SENSE. SO IF THEY OWNED A HOME AND THEY HAD FLOOD INSURANCE, THEY'RE GOING TO GET YOU KNOW, THEY'RE GOING TO FILE AND IT

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THEY HAVE FLOOD INSURANCE AND SO I DON'T KNOW THEIR SPECIFICS BUT WHAT'S INTERESTING ABOUT OUR AREA KNOW WE HAD A REAL HEAVY RAINFALL EVENT THAT HAPPENED.

WE HAD SOME AREAS THAT FLOODED WELL THOSE MAY MAY NOT BE IN THE FLOODPLAIN BECAUSE MOST OF THOSE HAVE TO DO WITH STORMWATER CAPABILITIES CONVEYING THE WATER FROM THROUGH STORMWATER PONDS AND THROUGH CULVERTS UNDER ROADS AND ALL OF THOSE ARE BUILT TO A SPECIFIC CAPACITY WHEN RAINFALL EXCEED THAT CAPACITY THAT REALLY DOESN'T HAVE ANYTHING WITH THE FLOOD MAPS THAT HAS TO DO WITH STORMWATER DESIGN AND I'M NOT TRYING TO BE BE CRITICAL I'M JUST SEPARATING THE TWO THE FEMA FLOOD MAPS, OUR AREA TO DEAL WITH STORM SURGE FLOODING AS IT RELATES TO TROPICAL CYCLONES NOT NEIGHBORHOOD FLOODING AS RELATES TO STORMWATER CAPACITY ,YOU KNOW, MAINTENANCE ISSUES OR WHATNOT.

SO I HOPE THAT IT ACTUALLY GREAT EDUCATION FOR ME. ONE THING I WOULD ASK IS IF YOU WOULD TALK TO JARED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THIS PROJECT THAT WE HAVE THAT WE'VE BEEN DOING SINCE THE STORM DEBBIE THAT HIT THEM PRETTY HARD. I WOULD APPRECIATE THAT WHAT THEY'RE GOOD BUNCH OF PEOPLE ARE THAT WE'VE GOT TO KEEP AN EYE ON AND HELP AND WE'RE NOT GOING TO WALK AWAY UNTIL WE'RE COMPLETELY DONE WITH ALL THAT STORM WATER PROJECTS THERE ARE MANY BUT CHUCK, AGAIN HATS OFF TO YOU AND THE TEAM AND CONGRATULATIONS AND GOOD LUCK TO ANY OR NEW STORMWATER MANAGER FLOOD PLAINS I'M GOING TO LEARN A LOT MORE AND I APPRECIATE IT THIS AS YOU SAY THIS REGION WE'RE WE'VE GOT TO BE COGNIZANT OF ALL OF THIS.

SO APPRECIATE YOUR TIME, SIR. THANK YOU. THE QUESTION CAME FROM LOS LET ME JUST LET ME JUST ADD TO WHAT CHUCK JUST SAID. THE FACT THAT DURING HURRICANE MATTHEW THERE WAS SOME STORM SURGE AND SOME FLOODING THAT OCCURRED THAT WAS TIDAL.

BUT MOST FLOODING HAPPENED WHATEVER PEOPLE'S STORM WATER BACKED WITH PINE STRAW AND THESE ARE PLACES THAT WERE IN THE FLOOD ZONE BUT YET THEIR DRAINAGE BACKED UP AND THEY GOT 2020 INCHES OF RAIN AND THEY ENDED HAVING FLOOD DAMAGE THAT WAS NOT COVERED .

SO I'D RECOMMEND ANYBODY THAT IS IT'S LESS EXPENSIVE IF YOU DON'T LIVE IN FLOOD ZONE HAVE FLOOD INSURANCE WHEN THE AREA THAT WE LIVE IN ABSOLUTELY YES .

I HAD ONE OTHER DO ALL THE MUNICIPALITIES PARTICIPATE TO YOUR KNOWLEDGE IN COUNTY? SO ALL OF THEM PARTICIPATED IN THE NATIONAL FLOOD PROGRAM BUT NOT ALL OF THEM PARTICIPATE IN CRC PROGRAM. AND AGAIN YOU REALLY HAVE TO CALCULATE YOUR INVESTMENT IN THAT BECAUSE IT TAKES A LOT OF IT'S A VERY ARDUOUS PROGRAM. IT'S VERY DIFFICULT AND DEPENDING ON THE NUMBER OF STRUCTURES THEY HAVE THAT IT WOULD PROVIDE THE DISCOUNT FOR THEY MAY SEE THAT THE STAFF TIME AND THE MONEY SPENT TO BE PART OF THAT PROGRAM THEY ACTUALLY WIND UP SPENDING MORE TAX DOLLARS TO BE PART OF THE PROGRAM THAN THEY SAVE IN REAL LIFE. SO YEAH, THAT'S YOU HAVE TO DO THAT BY JURISDICTION.

[8. DISCUSSION AND UPDATE ON THE ALLJOY SEWER PROJECT- Charlie Stone, Beaufort Jasper Water Sewer Authority]

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I APPRECIATE THE TIME YOU. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU. NEXT IS CHARLIE STONE WHO IS NOW WOULD BE FOR JASPER WATER SEWER AUTHORITY IS GOING TO GIVE US AN ON OUR JOY SEWER PROJECT NOT NOT ELDERLY STORM STORES OUTDOOR SEWER A BIG DISTINCTION THERE SO DO YOU WANT US TO HOLD OUR QUESTIONS TO THE END OR YEAH THAT WOULD BE FINE. FINE.

CHARLIE STONE I'M THE DIRECTOR OF GOVERNMENT AFFAIRS AT JASPER WATER AND SEWER.

I WILL BE DISCUSSING A SEPTIC TO SEWER TRANSMISSION PROJECT FOR THE ALL JOINT COMMUNITY OF BLUFFTON AND FIRST AND FOREMOST I WANT TO THANK COUNCILMAN LAWSON AS WELL AS CHAIRMAN PARSONS AND VICE CHAIRMAN MCCLELLAN WHO'S NOT HERE TODAY ON.

THEIR GUIDANCE THROUGHOUT THIS PROCESS AND THEIR PRAGMATIC APPROACH TO HELPING US FIND A SOLUTION FOR THE RESIDENTS OF ALL JOY IN MY PREVIOUS ROLE I WAS WITH ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND WE OFTEN SPOKE ABOUT IMPACT IN THE LIVES OF OUR RESIDENTS THROUGH MEANINGFUL EMPLOYMENT AND JOB OPPORTUNITIES. AND AS I'VE TRANSITIONED TO THIS NEW ROLE AT, JASPER WATER AND SEWER AND I'VE TAKEN ON OUR ORGANIZATIONS UNDERSERVED INITIATIVE I WE HAVE A VERY SIMILAR OPPORTUNITY FOR PUBLIC GOOD AND THIS TIME FOR JASPER IT'S REALLY THROUGH PROVIDING A SOLUTION TO RESIDENTS THAT THEY DON'T HAVE THE BENEFIT OF SAFE AND RELIABLE PUBLIC SEWER.

AND ACROSS BEAUFORT COUNTY WE HAVE A VERY COMPREHENSIVE OF UNINSURED AREAS THAT EXPERIENCE POORLY FUNCTIONING AND EVEN FAILING SEPTIC SYSTEMS IN MANY OF THESE COMMUNITIES

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AND SO SIMILARLY THE PROJECT THAT MYSELF AND COUNCILMAN LAWSON WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT TODAY IS A SEPTIC TO SEWER TRANSMISSION PROJECT FOR ALL JOINT OJIBWE EXPERIENCES ENVIRONMENTAL CHALLENGES RELATED TO THEIR POORLY FUNCTIONING SEPTIC SYSTEMS. THESE ARE AMPLIFIED BY LOW LYING ELEVATION OF THE COMMUNITY AS WELL AS THE FACT THAT THE COMMUNITY SITS RIGHT ON OUR MAE RIVER AND RECENTLY THE COUNTY FUNDED A STUDY THROUGH THE SEA GRANT CONSORTIUM THAT PROVIDED AN ANALYSIS ON GROUNDWATER IMPACT TO SEPTIC SYSTEM OPERABILITY. THE STUDY CONCLUDED PRESENTLY WITHIN OLDROYD APPROXIMATELY 54 PARCELS HAVE 20 DAYS OF SEPTIC SYSTEM IMPAIRMENT. ADDITIONALLY, THE STUDY STATED THAT BY 2050 THEY ANTICIPATE 250 PARCELS WILL HAVE 20 DAYS OF IMPAIRMENT.

THE OLDROYD COMMUNITY AND SO JUST FOR EVERYBODY IN THE ROOM ONLY DAY OF SEPTIC SYSTEM IMPAIRMENT IS UNACCEPTABLE FOR A RESIDENT AND UNACCEPTABLE FOR THE ENVIRONMENT.

ADDITIONALLY THERE HAS BEEN RESEARCH COMPLETED BY UNIVERSITY OF SOUTH CAROLINA BEAUFORT THE DIMINISHING WATER QUALITY WITHIN THE MAE RIVER AND THE LINKAGE IN PART TO SEPTIC SYSTEMS AND THEIR INABILITY TO OPERATE PROPERLY. IT'S EVIDENT THAT THERE IS AN ISSUE WITHIN OLDROYD IT'S BACKED BY HARD DATA AS WELL AS BY COMMUNITY ANECDOTES AND TESTIMONIALS THAT WE'VE HEARD OVER THE PAST FEW YEARS AND THROUGH COUNCILMAN LAWSON'S LEADERSHIP. WELL, AS CHAIRMAN PARSLEY, VICE CHAIRMAN MCCLELLAN WHO'S NOT HERE TODAY OVER THE PAST 12 MONTHS WE'VE BEEN WORKING VERY HARD ON BUILDING THE FRAMEWORK OF A MULTI-JURISDICTIONAL PARTNERSHIP TO TACKLE THE CHALLENGES THAT OLDROYD FACES AS WE LOOK AT ASSEMBLING THE FUNDING FOR THE NECESSARY PROJECT.

OUR BOARD VIEW FOR JASPER JUST THIS PAST MONTH APPROVED $4.6 MILLION FOR A FUTURE SEPTIC TO SEWER PROJECT FOR THE OLD JOINT . IN ADDITION TO OUR OUR DESIGNATION OF THE $4.6 MILLION, WE'RE ALSO TO SUBMIT A GRANT APPLICATION TO THE RURAL INFRASTRUCTURE AUTHORITY FOR ANOTHER ONE AND A HALF BILLION IN BASIC INFRASTRUCTURE FUNDING THAT IS A COMPETITIVE PROCESS BUT SIMILAR TO THE CREEK PROJECT WHICH IS IMPACTING LIVES AND CHANGING LIVES OF RESIDENTS FOR THE BETTER, WE WILL BE LOOKING FOR PARTNERSHIP THE STATE AND PARTNERSHIP FROM THE COUNTY AS WELL AS THE LOCAL LEVEL.

WITH THAT BEING SAID I'LL TURN IT OVER TO MARK IF YOU WANT TO MAYBE SPEAK A LITTLE BIT TO THE COUNTY'S FUNDING PIECE. CHARLIE AND I CAN SEE WHY NOW BEFORE JASPER WATER SEWER HIRED HIM AWAY FROM ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. YEAH, KNOW THERE'S A AN INCREDIBLE JOB TO CHARLIE THANK YOU AND I'VE ENJOYED WORKING WITH YOU ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT ESPECIALLY NOW BEFORE JASPER WATER AND SEWER LET ME JUST SAY THAT EVEN BEFORE ME WAS THE NEWTON HE WAS OUR CHAIRMAN FOR A WHILE HERE THIS COUNTY COUNCIL WORKED ON THIS SAME PROJECT AND THEN TABOR BOX WAS WAS A COUNCIL PERSON IN FRONT OF ME WORKED ON THIS PROJECT AND AGAIN I THINK IT'S BECAUSE OF YOU AND ALSO BECAUSE OF SOME OF THE NEW STAFF EXECUTIVE STAFF AND EXECUTIVE BOARD YOU HAVE A LOT TO COMMEND YOU ON ACTUALLY HAVING A COMMUNITY MIND THIS IS SOMETHING THAT THAT APPROACH IN THE PAST WAS WAS NOT BUT AGAIN NOW WE'RE ELATED THAT VIEW FOR JASPER IS STEPPING FORWARD. THE ALL JOINT COMMUNITY IS ALL SEPTIC RIGHT NOW HAVE SEWER THAT'S COME DOWN IN SOME AREAS THERE AND AS CHAIRWOMAN HOWARD JUST MENTIONED, THERE'S ALSO A WATER FLOODING DRAINAGE ISSUE DOWN THERE.

SO IF YOU THINK ABOUT IT IT'S ALL SEPTIC WE GET HEAVY RAINS, SEWERS BACK UP.

IT ACTUALLY MAKES A VERY UNHEALTHY SITUATION FOR URBAN LIVES DOWN THERE.

THE KIDS FAMILIES THAT ARE THERE BECAUSE THAT MEANS BACKS UP BECAUSE IT'S SO LOW AND THEN ALSO WHEN YOU HAVE STORMS LIKE WE JUST HAD WHEN HE SAID THERE'S A STORM SURGE, HIGH TIDES AND EVEN THE KING TIDES NOW I AM NOT A CLIMATE ALARMIST HOWEVER TYPES GOTTEN BIGGER FOR

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SO THIS IS IT'S SOMETHING THAT IS VERY, VERY MUCH NEEDED FOR ENVIRONMENT TO PROTECT THE MAIN RIVER VERY MUCH NEEDED TO PROTECT THE FOLKS THAT LIVE THERE.

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

DO MARK'S POINT THE TOWN HAS BEEN A CRUCIAL PART OF PROCESS MAY OR TUMORES BEEN VERY HELPFUL AS WE'VE HAD CONVERSATIONS AT THE STATE LEVEL AND EVEN THE FEDERAL LEVEL AS I KNOW GERMAN PARLIAMENTS HAD CONVERSATIONS FEDERAL FUNDING AS WELL.

WHAT THE ADDITIONAL CONTRIBUTION FROM THE COUNTY WILL DO IS HELP US HOPEFULLY PRECIPITATE A LARGER INVESTMENT IN STATE DOLLARS AND POTENTIALLY FEDERAL DOLLARS SIMILAR TO THE STONY CREEK FRAMEWORK WE PICTURE A PROJECT WHERE ALL OF OUR PARTNERS ARE AT THE TABLE AND LET ME JUST JUMP IN TO I DIDN'T EVEN LET CHARLIE HANGING THERE WHEN YOU ASKED THAT BUT SO TALKING TO WESTERN NEWTON WHO'S OUR REPRESENTATIVE AS WELL AS BERT BILL KURZMAN AND THE OTHER DELEGATIONS THEY ARE GOING TO BE LOOKING AT AND TRYING TO APPROVE FUNDING TO HELP US WITH THIS THAT WILL COME IN A NEW SESSION NEXT SPRING.

AND AND THEY THEY FEEL PRETTY CONFIDENT THAT THEY'LL BE TO FIND MONIES IN DIFFERENT PARTS AND DIFFERENT PLACES TO HELP US GET TO THAT $15 MILLION. I THINK WHAT CHARLIE IS LOOKING FOR FROM US IN OUR DISCUSSIONS I THINK AND THIS IS I NEED AGAIN BECAUSE I'M JUST ONE PERSON ON THIS COUNCIL ONE HAS TO VOTE IS IS LOOKING AT THE COUNTY MAKING A COMMITMENT OF $1,000,000 AND WE FEEL THAT IF THE COUNTY MADE COMMITMENT FOR THAT MILLION DOLLARS THAT THAT WILL THEN GIVE THEM WHAT THEY NEED TO MOVE FORWARD THAT THEY KNOW THEY'VE GOT A PARTNER IN US THAT THAT'S WILLING TO HELP. AND THEN WE ARE HOPING AND EXPECTING THAT OUR STATE DELEGATION WILL HELP TO TO FILL A PART OF THAT GAP AND EVEN POSSIBLY HAVE SOME SOME OTHER GRANTS THAT WE CAN APPLY FOR. SO LOOKING AT THE WHOLE THING RIGHT NOW TO PROVE THAT WE ARE SERIOUS, TO PROVE THAT THIS COUNCIL IS IS IS LOOKING TO PROTECT OUR RIVERS PROTECT THE CITIZENS THERE WOULD BE TO MAKE THAT RESOLUTION I'M NOT SURE WHERE THAT MONEY COME FROM FROM US YET BUT AT THIS POINT WE'RE SAYING WE'RE GOING TO COMMIT IT AND THEN WOULD FIND THAT PLACE THAT THAT WE CAN FIND THE MONIES TO TO TO PAY FOR THIS IN THE FUTURE. OKAY. COUNCILMAN DAWSON? YES, CHARLIE, THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION. HOW MANY HOMES ARE LOCATED IN ALL YOUR AREA AND WHAT PERCENTAGE OF THOSE HOMES WILL YOUR 4.6 PROJECT BRING ON LINE AS FAR AS SERIOUS CONCERN THE PROJECT THAT WE'VE BEEN LOOKING AT CONCEPTUALLY THE $15 MILLION PROJECT WOULD BE JUST OVER 200 HOMES 202 IN TERMS OF THE EXACT AMOUNT OF HOMES WITHIN ALL JOY I NOT HAVE THAT ANSWER. OKAY. THANK YOU.

YES, MA'AM. CHARLIE, DO YOU KNOW IF THE HOMES DOWN ON PINE ISLAND ROAD

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HOWEVER WE'RE JUST WE'RE NOT THERE TODAY AND YOU KNOW FUNDING IS A BIG PIECE OF THAT SO WE IS STONEY CREEK IT IS FURTHER UP THE RIVER ESSENTIALLY THE HEADWATERS OF OF BOISE. SO YOU DON'T AND IT'S THE SEWERS I MEAN HOOKUPS GOING TO ALL GO ALL THE WAY DOWN TO PINE ISLAND BECAUSE THAT'S LITERALLY ON THE AT THE RIVER WE ARE IN THE PLANNING PHASE OF THE PROJECT RIGHT NOW ALONG WITH ASSEMBLY OF FUNDING SOME OF THE PROJECT BOUNDARIES MAY CHANGE AS WE GET FURTHER INTO ENGINEERING.

CONCEPTUALLY WE'VE IDENTIFIED A PROJECT BOUNDARY THAT WAS LOOKING AT THE LOWEST LEVEL OF ELEVATION ALONG THE EXISTENCE OF WHERE YOU GOT JASPER WATER SEWER INFRASTRUCTURE CURRENTLY USE AS WELL AS TAKING INTO SOME OF THE DATA FROM GRANT CONSORTIUM AND USCCB PRESENTLY. THE PROJECT FRAMEWORK THAT WE HAVE IS CLOSER TO THE BOAT LANDING ALONG TILLMAN STREET, ALDERLEY ROAD AND ALMA ROAD PINE WOULD NOT BE INCLUDED IN THAT. OH YEAH THAT'S RIGHT. YES.

AT LEAST IN THIS AND AGAIN THIS IS THE WHAT I THINK WHAT WE'RE FOCUSED ON IS THE LOWEST LYING THAT'S RIGHT THERE BY THE BOAT LANDING BAY THAT HAS THE MOST AND IT HAS THE MOST RUNOFF AND HAS THE MOST PROBLEMS. IT COMES TO SEWER SYSTEMS BACKING UP BUT OBVIOUSLY WE WE GET THAT FAR. THERE'S THEN THE CHANCE TO THEN GO FURTHER WITHOUT GOING THERE.

WE CAN'T EVENTUALLY GO TO PINE ISLAND WHICH IS ACROSS THE BRIDGE ACROSS THE THE CAUSEWAY.

BUT AGAIN SO THIS WOULD BE BIGGER THAN THAT. 200 HOMES IS A BIG PORTION OF ALL JOY AREA AND THEN FROM THERE I GUESS IS AS CHARLIE MENTIONED, FIRST PHASE IS TO GO THE OTHER OTHER PLACES IN THAT COMMUNITY. YEAH AND TO MARK'S POINT WE HAVE BEEN WORKING HAND IN GLOVE WITH THE LEGISLATURE. WE ARE ALSO WORKING VERY CLOSELY WITH THE TOWN OF BLUFFTON. YOU KNOW THE CONVERSATION TODAY COMMITMENT MADE BY BEAUFORT JASPER AND HOPEFULLY A COMMITMENT MADE BY THE COUNTY IS ABOUT THAT LARGER PROJECT. AND YOU KNOW I DESCRIBE IT AS WE'RE REALLY LOOKING TO BUILD A CASE AND ALLOW OUR LEGISLATORS TO A VERY COMPELLING CASE COME JANUARY AS THEY'RE WORKING THROUGH THEIR PROCESS BECAUSE ALL STATE APPROPRIATION APPROPRIATIONS ARE ARE COMPETITIVE AND SO THEY'RE GOING TO BE GOING OUT COMPETING WITH COUNTIES FROM ACROSS THE STATE THAT HAVE SIMILAR CHALLENGES. I'M FETTERMAN YES.

AND I HAVE SPOKEN OUR DELEGATIONS NOT ONLY IN BUTTE COUNTY BUT JASPER.

WE'RE MAKING THE COMPELLING ARGUMENT THAT THIS PROBLEM IS A REGIONAL PROBLEM AND THEREFORE WHEN WE WERE IN WASHINGTON D.C. VERY COMPELLING ARGUMENT WITH OUR FEDERAL DELEGATION DOWN THERE THAT THIS IS CERTAINLY WORTHY OF THE EXPENSE THAT WE'RE GOING TO PUT IN YOU HAVE TO HAVE SKIN IN THE GAME ONCE YOU HAVE SKIN IN THE GAME THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT AND OUR STATE GOVERNMENT IS WILLING TO PARTICIPATE. SO CHARLIE KNOWS VERY WELL THAT THIS IS THE FIRST OF MANY PROJECTS THAT BEAUFORT JASPER WATER IS IN DESPERATE NEED OF DOING OVER LONG PERIOD OF TIME. YEAH.

SO YEAH MY QUESTION THANK YOU. AND THERE'S AND THERE'S LOTS OF OLDER NEIGHBORHOODS NEED THIS ABSOLUTELY YEAH AND WHAT WHAT FITS THE BILL IS NOT ONLY ARE THESE NEIGHBORHOODS THEY'RE SEPTIC SYSTEMS FAILING BUT THEY COULD NEVER AFFORD TO SWITCH OVER AND BECAUSE OF THAT THERE IS FEDERAL FUNDING AND STATE FUNDING AVAILABLE THAT WE WANT TO TAP IN.

SO THAT'S OUR COMPELLING ARGUMENT NOW IS NOT ONLY NEED BUT THE THE PEOPLE THAT NEED IT THE MOST. WE CAN PROVIDE THAT FOR. COUNCILMAN GLOVER, YOU HAD A QUESTION DID YOU HAVE A QUESTION? I THINK THE CHAIRMAN KIND OF CLEAR THINGS UP FOR ME SO I . I APPRECIATE YOUR REMARKS.

I WAS WAS WAS REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT ALL THE AREAS IN THE AREA COUNTY DEALING WITH THIS TYPE

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SIEGEL MEYERS MATERIALS COMING . WELL, THAT'S WHAT WE DON'T KNOW AND THAT'S YES I MEAN WE CAN THIS IS IN THE EARLY CONCEPTUAL PLANNING STAGES.

YES, MADAM CHAIRMAN. YES. WELL YOU'RE LOOKING FOR THAT THROUGH THE ATTORNEYS ADVICE ON THIS. I'M CHAIRMAN LAWSON.

LET ME ASK YOU THIS WITH ALL THE WORK THAT YOU'VE PUT INTO THIS WITH THE FINANCE COMMITTEE NOTE HAVE WE LOOKED AT FUNDING AND FROM WHAT SOURCES AND IT SOUNDS LIKE FIRST OF ALL CHARLIE STONE GREAT JOB. I THINK I'VE MET WITH YOU AS WELL ON THIS AND I THINK YOU'RE DOING A GREAT JOB AND I THINK IT'S VERY, VERY WELL NEEDED. MY QUESTION IT'S GOING TO HAVE TO EXPAND WITH SEPTIC BEYOND THESE 200 HOMES WITH ALL THE WORK THAT YOU'VE PUT INTO THIS AS A GROUP AND EVERYBODY WHERE ARE YOU LOOKING AT THIS MONEY FROM? HAS THAT BEEN ADDRESSED OTHER THAN MAYBE THOUGHT ABOUT YOU KNOW, THIS AFTERNOON I'VE HAD CONVERSATIONS AND UNFORTUNATELY MISS CHRISTMAS DENISE WAS HERE WHENEVER WE FIRST START HAVING THESE CONVERSATIONS AND SHE CAME UP AND SAID WE CAN DO IT HERE.

WE CAN FIND MONEY HERE, WE HAVE MONEY HERE WE HAVE MONEY THERE. IT WAS SO CLOSE TO THE END OF OUR FISCAL THAT THERE WAS NO WAY WE'RE GOING TO GET IT INTO THE END OF THE YEAR'S BUDGET FOR THIS COMING YEARS. THAT'S WHY IT WAS NOT PUSHED THROUGH OR NOT ASK AT THAT POINT. SO AGAIN I CAN GO BACK THROUGH AND AGAIN WE HAVE MR. ROBINSON WHO'S OUR ACTING FINANCIAL OFFICER AND AS WE HIRE SOMEONE TO FIGURE OUT IN OUR NEXT BUDGET CYCLE WHERE THAT MONEY'S GOING TO COME FROM RIGHT NOW AS FAR AS I KNOW THAT THE MONEY IS IS IT'S NOT NEEDED IMMEDIATELY AND IT CAN EVEN BE SOMETHING THAT AS THE THE LOCAL OR THE OUR DELEGATION SETS MONEY ASIDE THAT IT COMES NEXT SUMMER THE SAME THING WITH US AND IT COMES BACK THROUGH OUR NEXT FINANCIAL BUDGET CYCLE CYCLE THAT WE CAN THEN BUDGET IT IN AS OPPOSED TO TRYING TO SQUEEZE MONEY FROM SOMEPLACE NOW. SO THAT'S WHY I WAS MENTIONING A RESOLUTION THAT ACTUALLY THE COMMITMENT THAT SAYS HEY WE'RE WE'RE WILLING TO PUT THE THE THE MILLION DOLLARS AS MR. PASSMAN SAID, IS SKIN IN THE GAME BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT THAT'S WHAT THE DELEGATION IS LOOKING FOR. THAT'S WHAT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT WANTS. THAT'S WHAT ALL THE GRANTS LOOK FOR IS MONEY THAT COMES FROM OTHER PLACES. SO AGAIN THAT WE'RE COMMITTED TO DO TO MOVING FORWARD SO THAT THIS PROJECT AND CHARLIE CAN THEN GIVE YOU FOR JASPER THE GREEN LIGHT THEY CAN START ENGINEERING KNOWING THAT THERE'S THERE'S THERE'S A COMMITMENT OUT THERE.

I THANK YOU I APPRECIATE THAT IF THAT'S THE APPROACH THAT YOU WANT TO TAKE TO PUT IT IN NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET THAT'S PROBLEM IF YOU WERE LOOKING FOR A FUNDING SOURCE NOW THAT'S A PROBLEM THAT WOULD BE A PROBLEM. WE CAN WE HAVE OPTIONS BUT NOT WELL SO THAT'S WHY I WAS MAKING THAT RESOLUTION AS OPPOSED TO SAYING LET'S YOU KNOW LET'S SO SO WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR TODAY IS US TO TO SAY YES THIS COUNCIL IS COMMITTED TO THAT MILLION DOLLARS AS WE HAVE TO GIVE THE COUNCIL AND THEN FOR US TO TO AT SOME POINT THEN FIND THE MONEY FOR THIS IN OUR BUDGET IN COMING YEAR AND THAT'S THE THAT'S THE TIMING WE WOULD ANTICIPATE WITH THE LEGISLATIVE PROCESS. SO THAT LINES UP RIGHT IN A MOTION BEFORE THE COUNCIL RECOMMENDING THAT YOU PUT FORTH A RESOLUTION TO START PUTTING THE BILLION DOLLARS IN NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET. OKAY THEN WE'LL MAKE A MOTION TO LET TO MAKE A MOTION WE DO FOR A RESOLUTION TO GO TO COUNCIL WE WILL LOOK AT PUTTING $1,000,000 INTO OUR NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET FOR THE PURPOSE OF KEEPING THE MAY RIVER CLEAN AND ALSO PROTECTING THE FOLKS AND ALL JOY FUTURE SEWER SYSTEMS IN MOTION WE HAVE A SECOND I'LL SECOND SECOND BUT COUNCILMAN GLOVER WITHOUT OBJECTION THIS WILL GO FORWARD TO FULL COUNCIL AND THANK YOU FOR THANK YOU THANK YOU JIM THANK YOU CHARLIE THANK YOU. OKAY THE NEXT THING ON THE

[9. RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR TO EXECUTE THE NECESSARY DOCUMENTS AND PROVIDE FUNDING FOR THE FEE SIMPLE PURCHASE OF REAL PROPERTY IDENTIFIED AS TAX MAP SERIAL NUMBER R600 009 000 0030 0000 AND ALSO KNOWN AS RAWSTROM ROAD (FISCAL IMPACT: $1,870,000 Beaufort County Rural and Critical Land Preservation]

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THE PRICE IS 1.87 MILLION THIS ARE WOULD BE LIKE I SAID ADJACENT TO PROPERTY WE ALREADY OWN THERE IS A CEMETERY ON THERE WHICH WILL THE ACCESS TO THAT CEMETERY REMAIN 17 HAGIN WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT THAT ACCESS YOU WERE GOING TO PUT A FENCE AROUND THAT RIGHT? YEAH. AND THE FAMILY WOULD STILL HAVE ACCESS TO THAT CEMETERY BUT THIS WAS LOOKED ON FAVORABLY BY THE BOARD AND BY STAFF. YOU CAN SEE I THINK IN THE AERIAL THE BLUE IS ALL TO THE HALL AND THEN THE PIECES RIGHT NEXT DOOR.

I CAN'T THINK THAT IT'S DOING. WANT TO OPEN IT UP FOR ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS? YOU KNOW WHERE IS THAT THERE'S SIR CAN YOU SCROLL THERE IS A PLANT ON WANT TO KEEP GOING RIGHT NO DO IT NO. OKAY OKAY YEAH YEAH GO DOWN TO THE NEXT ONE THAT THERE IT IS RIGHT THERE THAT LONG SEES ON THE BOTTOM IT'S THAT WAY SO IT'S KIND OF A LONG NARROWS OH BUT IT'S ADJACENT TO EXISTING YES IT'S ADJACENT TO ALL HIGH IT TOUCHES IT YEAH THIS WOULD BASICALLY HAD MORE SPACE FOR IN THAT AREA AND YOU FIGURE SO SOMEWHERE THAT THEY MAY BE ANOTHER SIX ACRES AND SO THEY MAY BE INTERESTED AS WELL TO POSSIBLY NEXT DOOR.

YOU KNOW I'LL BE GLAD TO SECOND A MOTION THAT THE CHAIRMAN MAKE IT IT'S IN DISTRICT FIVE.

YEAH THE JUST ADDED TO ALL TOMAHAWK AS PART OF WILL WOULD BE PART OF ALL TO BECOME PART YES. I'VE ACTUALLY TALKED WITH THE SC DNR WHO CO-OWNS ULTIMATE WITH US AND THEY WERE VERY INTERESTED IN THIS PARCEL AS WELL.

THEY DO BELIEVE THERE'S SOME ARCHEOLOGICAL RESOURCES THAT BLEED OVER THE PROPERTY LINE SO THEY'RE DEFINITELY INTERESTED IN US PROTECTING IT AND IT'LL JUST END UP BECOMING PART OF THAT PROPERTY. WE DO ALSO HOPE TO HAVE THE TRAIL AT ULTIMATELY JUST KIND OF DEAD ENDS. IT JUST GOES ONE WAY. SO WE DO HOPE TO HAVE A TRAIL THROUGH THE WOODS AND HOPEFULLY MAKE LIKE A LITTLE BIT OF A LOLLIPOP LOOP SO IT'S A LITTLE BIT NICER OF A TRAIL. THERE WAS SOME POSSIBLE ADDITIONAL DO YOU REMEMBER THAT THE ADDITIONAL ACREAGE IS IN ON ANY OF BACK UP THAT YOU SAW? THEY THERE'S I BELIEVE STATED THAT THERE WAS THE SAME LANDOWNER OWNED ABOUT EIGHT ACRES THAT WERE RIGHT AT THE JUNCTION ROSTRON ROAD AND OLD BAILEYS ROAD AND IT'S KIND OF THIS SQUARE IT ALMOST LOOKS LIKE AN OLD BAR PIT THAT HAS GROWN UP INTO A FORESTED SO BUT THAT HAS NOT HAD AN APPLICATION

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YES MA'AM AND SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN GLOVER SIR YES. WITHOUT OBJECTION THIS ONE WILL

[10. RECOMMEND APPROVAL TO UNDERTAKE DUE DILIGENCE AND DISCUSSION/NEGOTIATIONS FOR THE PROPOSED FEE SIMPLE PURCHASE OF REAL PROPERTY KNOWN AS NORTH WIDGEON (FISCAL IMPACT: $10,000 due diligence fees for appraisal, Beaufort County Rural and Critical Land Preservation Program Bond Referendum Account #45001)]

WE DO NOT HAVE A PRICE AT THIS POINT. HOWEVER IF IT IS MORE THAN THE REMAINING FUNDS WE HAVE WE WOULD OPENLY AND TRUST WOULD BE APPLYING GREENSPACE PROGRAM AND THE CONSERVATION BANK TO HELP WITH THIS PROJECT AND MAKE IT A JOINT PROJECT COULD BE A JOINT PROJECT YES BUT WE NEED THE APPRAISAL WELL RIGHT. THIS WILL BE JUST APPROVAL FOR DUE DILIGENCE RIGHT NOW TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS AND THEN AS SOON AS WE GET APPROVAL FOR DUE DILIGENCE KATE WILL ORDER THE APPRAISAL TO BE DONE TO SEE HOW MUCH IT WOULD BE WE HAVE A MOTION TO YES MADAM CHAIR, I RECOMMEND THE APPROVAL TO UNDERTAKE THE DUE DILIGENCE I DO HAVE A SECOND I'LL SECOND IT MY SECOND MY QUESTION COURSE YES SIR IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY I READ THAT THE C 11 .7. WHATEVER ACRES BURNED MORE THAN ONE PROPERTY OWNER RIGHT? YES AND APPLICATION FOR THIS WELL THIS PROJECT WAS SIGNED BY DANIEL DANIELS ANDERSON RIGHT.

AND SO THE OTHER APPLICANT DOESN'T WE DON'T NEED THEIR SIGNATURE THE TO SEND NORTH VISION IS 23 ACRES AND THERE ARE THREE PROPERTY OWNERS AND MR. HENDERSON HAS BEEN THE LANDOWNER CONTACT FOR THE FOR THE GROUP YOU ARE CORRECT HE WAS THE ONLY ONE THAT SIGNED THE APPLICATION. I'M HAPPY TO HAVE THAT CONFIRMED BY ALL THE OTHER PARTIES PRIOR TO SPENDING ANY ADDITIONAL FUNDS IF YOU'D LIKE DO THAT PRIOR TO ORDERING THE APPRAISAL I'D BE HAPPY TO GET THE OTHER LANDOWNER SIGNATURES MY IS THAT THERE IS CONSENSUS AND THERE'S NOT AN ISSUE BUT IF YOU WOULD LIKE ME TO CONFIRM THAT WITH SIGNATURES I'M HAPPY TO DO THAT. IT'S NOT UNCOMMON THAT ONE LANDOWNER DOES REPRESENT THE WHOLE PARTY BUT AGAIN HAPPY TO DO NO HARM AND DOUBLE CHECKING. OKAY.

ALL RIGHT. TO FOLLOW UP QUESTIONS WHEN I WANT TO LOOK AT THE SIGNATURE OF THE APPLICANT, I CAN'T READ THAT. IS THAT ACCEPTABLE? IT'S LIKE A HURRICANE. IT'S JUST A SCRIBBLE. I YEAH.

I DON'T I MEAN I SPOKE TO HIM ON THE PHONE. I TRUSTED HIS SIGNATURE REALLY ,REALLY COULD BE A DOCTOR. HE'S A A LAWYER. HE'S A LAWYER.

DOCTORS AND LAWYERS ARE NOTORIOUSLY HAVE TOUGH HANDWRITING, BUT I BUT I DON'T I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO SUGGEST THAT THERE'S ANYTHING OTHER THAN HIS SIGNATURE ON THAT PAGE IT'S JUST THE BLURB SO WHAT ARE WE WANT TO GET CONFIRMATION OF THE OTHER OWNERS, SIR? YES, SIR. WE CAN CERTAINLY THAT WITH THE

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OKAY SO WE HAVE TO DISCUSS I'M GOOD AND APPROVED AMENDMENT AND THEN I'M OKAY WITH THAT.

WITHOUT OBJECTION WE WILL PROVE THE AMENDMENT. ALL RIGHT.

AND WE GO BACK TO THE ORIGINAL MOTION WITHOUT OBJECTION WILL PROVE THE ORIGINAL MOTION AS AMENDED. AMENDED. OKAY EVERYBODY GOOD GOOD.

I COULDN'T READ IT EITHER BUT WHEN I WAS GOING TO I THINK THREE OR AT THE END OF OUR AGENDA WE DON'T A NEED FOR EXECUTIVE SESSION SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH WE ARE ADJOURNED

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.