Oct 07, 2024 Planning Commission

[1. CALL TO ORDER]

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ONE YOU CALL THIS MEETING TO ORDER IF YOU JOIN ME FOR THE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA ON WHERE WE STAND ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. THANK YOU. THANKS.

YEAH. OKAY. OKAY.

[4. APPROVAL OF MEETING MINUTES – September 5, 2024]

[5. APPROVAL OF AGENDA]

OKAY. WE HAVE AGENDA TO ITEMS. ANYBODY HAVE ANY THOUGHTS OR ADDITIONS TO THE AGENDA? NO. ALL RIGHT.

OKAY. NOW WE COME TO THE POINT WHERE WE HAVE CITIZEN COMMENTS ON AGENDA ITEMS. SO IF THE GENERAL PUBLIC WISHES TO SPEAK, PLEASE SUBMIT YOUR REQUEST TO THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT OVER HERE BY THE MONITOR YOU WILL BE ALLOWED 3 MINUTES TO SPEAK. THE COMMISSIONERS WILL RESPECTFULLY LISTENING TO YOUR COMMENTS AT THE PODIUM PLEASE IDENTIFY YOURSELF. STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE PUBLIC. WE ASK THAT YOU IN TURN BE RESPECTFUL OF THE PUBLIC FORUM THAT YOU ARE IN. THIS IS PUBLIC MEETING IS RECORDED AND THEREFORE BECOMES A MATTER OF PUBLIC RECORD AS ALL CORRESPONDENCE ON THIS ISSUE DIRECTED TO COUNTY OFFICIALS PLEASE TRY TO AVOID REPEATING COMMENTS OFFERED. PLEASE PLACE YOUR CELL PHONES ON SILENT MODE IF YOU NEED TO SPEAK WITH THE CALLER PLEASE STEP OUTSIDE THE ROOM.

JUST A REMINDER. PLANNING COMMISSION IS AN ADVISORY BODY TO COUNTY COUNCIL AS SUCH PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMENDATIONS ON THIS ANY ISSUE GOES FORWARD TO COUNTY COUNCIL THROUGH THE COMMUNITY AND LAND USE COMMITTEE THEN TO COUNTY COUNCIL FOR THE REVIEW AND VOTING DETERMINATION. SO THE PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMENDATION IS A STEP IN THE REVIEW PROCESS AND VOTING DETERMINATION BY COUNTY COUNCIL WITH THAT SAID DO WE HAVE ANY CITIZEN COMMENTS OF A NON AGENDA NATURE HEARING OR NONE HEARING NONE.

[7. CONSIDERATION OF AN ORDINANCE AMENDING THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT CODE (CDC): SECTION A.6.40 (PERMITTED ACTIVITIES) TO ALLOW LODGING: SHORT-TERM HOUSING RENTAL (STHR) IN DALE COMMUNITY PRESERVATION DISTRICT (DCP)]

I'M GOING TO JUMP INTO THIS ONE SO THIS ONE THE APPLICANT SEEKS TO THE DALE COMMUNITY PRESERVATION DISTRICT TO INCLUDE TO INCLUDE SHORT TERM RENTALS AS AN ALLOWABLE SPECIAL USE. THE PURPOSE OF THE DCP IS TO MAINTAIN OR IMPROVE LIVABILITY AND CHARACTER OF EXISTING RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS, ENCOURAGE INFILL OF AVAILABLE LANDS AND TO ACCOMMODATE HOUSING TYPES WHICH WILL RELATE WELL WITH EXISTING NEIGHBORHOOD CHARACTER SCALE AND DENSITY PER ORDINANCE 20 2032 SHORT TERM RENTAL STANDARDS WERE ESTABLISHED THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT CODE AT THE TIME OF ADOPTION THE SHORT RENTAL USE WAS ADDED AS A SPECIAL USE TO ALL TRANSECT AND CONVENTION ZONES EXCEPT FOR T1 NATURAL PRESERVE AND AS ONE INDUSTRIAL ESPECIALLY USE WAS NOT ADDED TO ANY OF THE COMMERCIAL OR THE COMMUNITY PRESERVATION DISTRICTS. HOWEVER DCP IS CONSISTENT WITH TRANSECT ZONE DISTRICTS THAT ALLOW SHORT TERM RENTALS. THEREFORE THE ADDITION OF SHORT TERM AS A SPECIAL USE TO THIS DISTRICT IS APPROPRIATE AND. I'M JUST GOING TO RUN THROUGH THE AMENDMENT REVIEW STANDARDS QUICK SO NUMBER ONE IS CONSISTENT WITH THE GOALS OBJECTIVES AND POLICIES OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. SO YES THE PROPOSED TEXT AMENDMENT IS CONSISTENT AS THIS IS ENVISIONED TO BE RURAL COMMUNITY NUMBER TWO IS NOT IN CONFLICT WITH ANY PROVISIONS OF THE DEVELOPMENT CODE . NO, THE SHORT TERM RENTAL USE IS NOT IN CONFLICT. THE DCP IN THE DCP CERTAIN STRUCTURES AND USES SERVING

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NUMBER THREE IS REQUIRED BY CHANGE CONDITIONS. YES IT IS PER ORDINANCE 20 2032 SHORT TERM RENTAL STANDARDS WERE ESTABLISHED AS A SPECIAL USE IN THE CDC AND LIKE SAID THESE STANDARDS WERE NOT ADDED TO THE COMMUNITY PRESERVATION DISTRICTS ADDRESSES A DEMONSTRATED COMMUNITY AND COMMUNITY NEED YES IS CONSISTENT WITH THE PURPOSE AND INTENT OF THE ZONES IN THE DEVELOPMENT CODE YES IT IS CONSISTENT NUMBER SIX WOULD RESULT IN LOGICAL AND ORDERLY DEVELOPMENT. YES IT WOULD AS A SPECIAL USE EACH APPLICANT SEEKING ESTABLISH A SHORT TERM RENTAL PROPERTY IN THE DCP WILL BE REQUIRED TO APPLY TO THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS FOR APPROVAL IN ADDITION TO TYPICAL CONSIDERATIONS, BODY MAY ALSO ESTABLISH AN APPROPRIATE RENTAL LIMIT AS A CONDITION OF APPROVAL AFTER CONDUCTING THE PUBLIC HEARING NUMBER SEVEN WOULD NOT RESULT IN ADVERSE IMPACTS ON THE NATURAL ENVIRONMENT YES IT WOULD NOT RESULT IN ANY ADVERSE IMPACTS.

ANY DEVELOPMENT WOULD NEED TO ADHERE RESOURCE PROTECTION, TREE PROTECTION, WETLAND AND STORMWATER STANDARDS AND THEN SO WE'RE DONE WITH THAT AND INDEED THE RECOMMENDATION STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL AND STAFF ALSO RECOMMENDS THAT THE AMENDMENT BE APPLIED TO THE DALE USE DISTRICT. THAT IS ALL QUESTIONS AND A QUESTION ON NUMBER THREE YOU TALKED ABOUT THE SHORT TERM RENTAL STANDARDS AND THEY WERE NOT ADDED TO THE COMMUNITY PRESERVATION DISTRICTS WHEN THAT WAS ESTABLISHED DO YOU KNOW OR WHAT THE REASON WHY WAS THAT HAPPENED? DO THAT I'M GOING TO HAVE ROB COME BECAUSE I WAS NOT HERE WHEN THAT WAS I KNOW IF YOU'RE GOING YEAH YEAH YES. JUST TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION THE REASON THAT WASN'T DONE IS WE WANTED EACH ONE OF THOSE TO BE CONSIDERED SEPARATELY AND JUST A REMINDER IF YOU REMEMBER SEVERAL YEARS AGO THE PLANNING COMMISSION LOOKED AT SEVERAL OF THE DISTRICTS ON LADY'S ISLAND. SO THIS IS VERY SIMILAR TO THAT WHERE A PROPERTY OWNER WHO IS INTERESTED IN SHORT TERM RENTAL CAME TO THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT REQUESTING THIS TAX AMENDMENT BE MADE AND SO THAT'S WHAT'S HAPPENING HERE.

OKAY THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTIONS, ROB. HOW MANY PRESERVATION DISTRICTS ARE THERE IN NORTH OF THE BROAD ? OH, OKAY.

SO WE HAVE TWO IN TERMS OF PRECEDENT BECAUSE I'M THINKING ABOUT THE CPO AND YEAH SO GIVE ME A SENSE NORTH OF THE WELL BRANCH WE HAVE DALE BIGGEST STATES IN SHELTON AND THEN JUST SOUTH OF THE ROYAL BRANCH WE HAVE THE STEEPLE STEWART POINT COMMUNITY PRESERVATION DISTRICT AND LADIES ISLAND WOULD BE THE ONLY OTHER ONE NORTH OF THE BROAD AND THOSE HAVE BEEN ADDRESSED SEVERAL YEARS AGO THROUGH TEXT AMENDMENT SO THEY THEY NOW ALLOW SHORT TERM RENTALS SO DALE BIG ESTATE DEALS IN FRONT OF US BUT YOU'RE SAYING BIGGEST STATE SHELDON STEWART POINT AND LADIES ISLAND HAVE ALLOWED THE SHORT TERM RENTALS NO LADIES ISLAND HAS MADE THEY'VE AMENDED CODE OR I MEAN THE CDC WAS AMENDED TO ALLOW SHORT TERM RENTALS IN THE LADIES ISLAND COMMUNITY PRESERVATION DISTRICTS AND ARE SEVERAL OF THEM. SEABROOK STEWART POINT SHELDON AND BIGGER STATES CURRENTLY DO NOT PERMIT SHORT TERM RENTALS IN DALE IS WHAT'S BEING CONSIDERED TODAY SO HAVE YOU HAD REQUESTS FOR CHANGES TO TEXT AMENDMENT FROM BIG ESTATE SHELDON SEABROOK AND STEWART NOW DO YOU ANTICIPATE THAT? IS THIS A PRECEDENT SETTING? YES.

AND I THINK THAT THE ARGUMENT THAT MAKING IS THAT THESE DISTRICTS ARE VERY SIMILAR TO OTHER DISTRICTS LIKE RURAL TO RURAL NEIGHBORHOODS AND TO RURAL YOU KNOW, BASICALLY THE SEABROOK STEWART POINT OR NOT. SEABROOK STEWART POINT BIGGEST STATES AND SHELDON NORTH OF THE

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OKAY. JUST TO MAKE IT CLEAR SO SHELDON SEABROOK YOU'RE SAYING ARE DENSER ALREADY THAN DALE AND BIGGER STATE? NO, I'M SAYING THEY'RE DENSER THAN THE SURROUNDING IF LOOK AT THE MAP AND THIS IS JUST THE DALE COMMUNITY PRESERVATION AREA THAT AROUND THE BLUE IS IS GREEN AND THAT GREENEST TO RURAL SURE TO RURAL ALLOWS SHORT TERM RENTAL BUT THE BLUE YOU KNOW THE DALE AND THE DALE CP MIXED USE DISTRICT WHICH IS THE DARK DON'T ALLOW THEM SO YOU HAVE A SITUATION WHERE THE LESS DENSE ZONES PROPERTY ALLOWED SHORT TERM RENTAL BUT THE MORE DENSE DO NOT AND IS IT YOUR UNDERSTANDING THAT THAT IS WHY THIS PETITION COME TO YOUR WELL THIS PETITION IS A INDIVIDUAL PROPERTY OWNER WHO IS REQUESTING THAT TAX AMENDMENT BUT FOR OUR REVIEWING THE ZONING MAP AND THE CODE AND THE WAY IT'S APPLIED THIS SINCE THIS IS LOGICAL WITHIN THE FRAMEWORK OF THE CDC AND THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. SO TO MY ORIGINAL QUESTION WOULD THIS TEXT AMENDMENT OR WHAT EFFECT IF ANY WOULD IT HAVE ON LIKE A CPO OF A DISTRICT SUCH AS ST HELENS AND IN NOTHING OR WHAT'S YOUR POINT OF VIEW? SHORT TERM RENTALS ARE ALREADY PERMITTED ON ST HELENA ISLAND SO IN SOME NEIGHBORHOODS NOT ALL WELL THE ONLY DISTRICTS WHERE THEY'RE NOT PERMITTED THE T ONE NATURAL PRESERVE SO PLACES LIKE BAY POINT OR CAPE BUT FOR KIND OF 29 DAYS RIGHT ISN'T IT OR. YES YEAH THAT'S THE LIMIT.

YES FOR WELL NO I MEAN IN THE TOO RURAL DISTRICT WHICH IS THE MAJORITY OF ST HELENA ISLAND AND THE TRANSIT ZONES THAT MAKE UP THE CORNERS COMMUNITY SHORT TERM RENTALS ARE ALREADY A SPECIAL USE IN THOSE DISTRICTS SO AN INDIVIDUAL WOULD HAVE TO COME YOU OR THE CBO.

YES. AND WE'VE BEEN SEEING A LOT OF THEM IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD.

YES. BECAUSE OF COURSE IN POINT OF THAT THAT'S MY QUESTION.

YEAH. LET'S SEE I DID HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION I'VE FORGOTTEN NOW.

OKAY. NOW I HAVE A QUESTION IF IT ONLY TAKES ONE ONE RESIDENT IN THE ENTIRE DISTRICT TO ASK FOR THIS AND EVERYBODY IS SUBJECT TO THAT CHANGE WELL THAT'S WHAT'S BEING CONSIDERED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND THEN ULTIMATELY COUNTY COUNCIL IN MAKING THAT CHANGE BUT I MEAN IT'S IT'S IT'S NOT ON THE BASIS OF A PUBLIC VOTE FOR THE ENTIRE DISTRICT. IT'S JUST ONE PERSON WHO'S WHO'S ASKED FOR THIS REQUEST AND WE GET WE MAKE IT AUTOMATICALLY FOR THE WHOLE DISTRICT FOR THAT PARTICULAR RESIDENT. YES WELL IT'S A REQUEST MADE BY A BY PRIVATE CITIZEN WHICH IS YOU KNOW ANY PRIVATE CITIZEN HAS THE RIGHT TO PETITION FOR A ZONING TEXT AMENDMENT AND WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS STAFF IN REVIEWING THIS PROPOSED WE BELIEVE IT'S CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IN THE CODE . OKAY.

I HAVE ONE OF THE COMMON LEADS TO ME TO A QUESTION TO I DO THE RESEARCH ON THE IMPACTS OF SHORT TERM RENTALS ON AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND THERE'S A LOT OF RESEARCH FROM INSTITUTIONS AND UNIVERSITIES THAT SUGGEST IT HAS AN ADVERSE IMPACT ON LONG TERM DRIVING UP THE PRICE OF LONGER TERM RENTALS TO A MORE PROFITABLE SHORT TERM RENTAL MARKET AND REDUCING THE AMOUNT OF AVAILABLE HOUSING. AND WE JUST SPENT A LOT OF TIME IN DOING THAT HOUSING AFFORDABLE HOUSING ANALYSIS AND IT SHOWS WE'RE IN A DIRE STRAITS. WHY DO WE WANT TO EXPAND THE USE OF SHORT TERM RENTALS IF IT'S GOING TO HAVE THAT KIND OF IMPACT OR DON'T BELIEVE THAT THAT'S WHAT'S HAPPENING? WELL, I BELIEVE THAT THERE'S TWO QUESTIONS AT HAND. WE ALREADY HAVE A PROVISION FOR SHORT TERM RENTALS IN A COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT CODE AND IT IS OUR STAFF OPINION THAT ALLOWING IT TO DE LCP APPLIES THAT MORE EQUITABLY EQUITABLY IN THE COUNTY BUT IF WE TO RECONSIDER OUR STANDARDS FOR SHORT TERM RENTAL THEN THAT'S SOMETHING I BELIEVE WE NEED TO APPROACH IN A COMPREHENSIVE MANNER AND I DON'T BELIEVE THAT THIS I MEAN FROM OUR STANDPOINT

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SO IT ALLOWS THEM TO HAVE MORE SCRUTINY OVER EACH ONE BUT IT DOES OPEN UP THE POSSIBILITY OF THAT IN JUST ABOUT EVERY DISTRICT IN THE COUNTY. SO THAT'S OUR CURRENT POLICY AND SO THE MANY COMMUNITIES HAVE DIFFERENT WAYS OF OF ENFORCING THEM.

THANK YOU. OKAY. SO ROB, JUST A QUICK QUESTION.

WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT A CHANGE TO AN ENTIRE DISTRICT, DO DOES NOTIFICATION GET TREATED ANY DIFFERENTLY THAT KIND OF SCENARIO OR NO THAT IT'S A TAX AMENDMENT, IT'S THROUGH YOU KNOW, THE NOTIFICATION IN THE PAPER BUT NOT POSTED PROPERTY IT'S APPLYING TO AN ENTIRE DISTRICT. THANK YOU. YES, HE GOT IT.

SO ROB, JUST FOR EVEN THOUGH THIS RESIDENT IS FROM DALE, THIS IS APPROVED WILL THIS APPLY TO ALL OF THE COMMUNITY PRESERVATION DISTRICTS? NO, JUST JUST THE DALE C.P DISTRICT, THE AREA THAT'S THE LIGHT BLUE. AND THEN WHAT WE'RE RECOMMENDING BECAUSE THE DARK BLUE WHICH IS THE DALE MIXED USE THAT THAT WOULD ALLOW IT AS WELL SINCE THAT'S A MORE THAT'S A MORE INTENSE DISTRICT THAN THE DALE C.P SO WITH ANYONE ELSE ANY OTHER CITIZEN WAS INTERESTED IN THIS THEY WOULD HAVE TO MAKE THEIR OWN SPECIAL REQUEST. IT DEPENDS ON WHERE THEY'RE LOCATED THE REMAINING AREAS OF THE COUNTY WHERE SHORT TERM RENTALS ARE NOT PERMITTED WOULD BE IN THE SEABROOK OR BIG ESTATES PRESERVATION AREAS AND SEABROOK STEWART POINT SO IN THOSE AREAS IT IF SOMEBODY WANTED TO DO SHORT TERM RENTAL THEY MIGHT HAVE TO CONSIDER COMING TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION OR MAKING A TAX AMENDMENT BUT IF THEY'RE SIMPLY IN AN AREA THAT IS ZONED TO RURAL YOU KNOW IN THE SHELDEN AREA THEY COULD ALREADY APPLY FOR SPECIAL PERMIT FOR SHORT TERM RENTAL. YES, I CAN'T I'M UNABLE TO EXPRESS THINGS THE WAY YOU DID BECAUSE SOME OF THE LANGUAGE I'M STILL NOT FAMILIAR WITH BUT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT REVIEWING THE ENTIRE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND MAYBE YOU WANT TO LOOK AT IT SEPARATELY BUT THIS ONE YOU SET A PRECEDENT WHERE WE'VE ALREADY THE PRECEDENT IN A WAY SO WE'RE BASICALLY OPEN UP THE FLOODGATES AND THE TIME WE GET AROUND TO A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN REVIEWS THIS IT MIGHT BE TOO LATE, YOU KNOW. YEAH, I, I BELIEVE THOSE FLOODGATES WERE OPENED IN 2020 WHEN WE ADOPTED THE SHORT TERM RENTAL ORDINANCE IN THE WAY YOU KNOW SO IN I DON'T I DON'T I BELIEVE THAT THERE ARE SOME AND BALANCES WITH REQUIRING IT TO BE A SPECIAL IN GOING BEFORE THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS BUT THIS IN THE DALE COMMUNITY IS VERY SMALL COMPARISON TO WHAT HAS ALREADY BEEN APPROVED IN THE COUNTY IF THAT MAKES SENSE IN THE DALE COMMUNITY ITSELF AT SOME POINT SAY THE TERM RENTALS ARE NOT WORKING OUT THE WAY WE THOUGHT THEY THEY WERE AND THEN BECOME MORE CONSTRUCT RESTRICTIVE OR ONCE THIS IS APPROVED THE DALE COMMUNITY HAS NO RECOURSE TO GO BACK NO THEY COULD IF THEY IF THEY DECIDE THAT THE IMPACT OF THIS CHANGE IS UNACCEPTABLE FOR THE COMMUNITY THEY CAN APPROACH US WITH ANOTHER TEXT AMENDMENT OR A DIFFERENT WAY OF APPLYING SHORT TERM RENTALS IN THAT AREA AND BASICALLY ASK FOR A REVERSAL OF A REVERSAL OR A MODIFICATION YOU KNOW THEY MIGHT LIMIT THEM TO CERTAIN AREAS OR YOU KNOW SOME COMMUNITIES ACTUALLY HAVE LIMITS ON THE PERCENTAGE OR NUMBER OF SHORT TERM RENTALS. SO YOU KNOW, THERE ARE OTHER OF REGULATING THE WAY THE COUNTY DOES ROB HAS THERE BEEN AN ARGUMENT MADE THAT THIS IS AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT OPPORTUNITY FOR MEMBERS OF THE DALE COMMUNITY?

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THAT'S WHY I MEAN IT IT'S A MEAN IT'S BEEN MADE IN OTHER CASES YES.

IT DOES PROVIDE MORE OPTIONS FOR A HOMEOWNER BUT NO WE HAVE NOT YOU KNOW TALLIED THIS AS AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT SO YOU KNOW, JUST TO FOLLOW UP ON WHAT CHAIRMAN PAPPAS SAID IN TERMS OF OF THE BIGGER PICTURE AFFORDABLE HOUSING, THIS IS NOT YOU'RE NOT FRAMING THIS AS A BIGGER PICTURE OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT IN DALE OR IN THE DALE AREA.

NO I WOULD SAY WE'RE RESPONDING TO AN EXISTING REGULATION AND. WE'RE SIMPLY SAYING FOR EQUITY PURPOSES ALLOWING THIS TO ALLOW SHORT TERM RENTAL WE BELIEVE IS CONSISTENT WITH THE WAY THE CODE CURRENTLY APPLIES. THAT SHORT TERM RENTAL AS APPEALED BY ONE LANDOWNER? YES. THANK YOU. OTHER QUESTIONS THIS JUST OUT OF CURIOSITY WHO THEN WATCHES WHAT'S GOING IF THERE'S THIS THAT COULD GO FORWARD AS A RECOMMENDATION AND COUNTY COUNCIL WOULD ADOPT IT THEN SOMEBODY LIVES JUST OUTSIDE THE ZONE STARTED DOING SHORT TERM RENTAL IS WHO'S WHO'S WATCHING WHETHER DOING IT WELL WHAT'S THE RIGHT WORD YOU KNOW IT IS A CHALLENGE LET'S LET'S PUT IT THAT WAY BECAUSE IT IS VERY DIFFICULT TO HAVE SMOKING GUN PROOF THAT SOMEBODY IS HAVING A SHORT TERM RENTAL THAT IS NOT PERMITTED CORRECTLY. I MEAN THAT'S SOMETHING THAT OUR CODE ENFORCEMENT DEPARTMENT SPENDS A LOT OF TIME, YOU KNOW, ANSWERING COMPLAINTS ABOUT LIKE THAT FROM THE ADMINISTRATIVE SIDE, YOU KNOW, BEING THAT IT'S ENFORCED THROUGH A SPECIAL USE PERMIT.

THEN OUR STAFF IS REVIEWING EACH SEPARATELY AND THEN MAKING PRESENTATIONS AT THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS AND THEN THEY ULTIMATELY MAKE THE DECISION OR THEY CAN ADD CONDITIONS, THEY CAN SAY WELL MAXIMUM THIS NUMBER OF PEOPLE OR YOU KNOW YOU KNOW OTHER THINGS ABOUT THE EXTERNAL IMPACTS OF THE SHORT TERM RENTAL BUT THE THE ADMINISTRATION ULTIMATELY GOES TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING DEPARTMENT AND OUR CODES ENFORCE MENT HANDLES THE ENFORCEMENT OKAY SO FROM AN PERSPECTIVE IT WOULD BE PROBABLY CLEANER NOT TO HAVE SHORT TERM RENTAL BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT IT. WELL IT DEPENDS BY NOT HAVING SHORT TERM RENTAL ARE YOU IT'S NOT PERMITTED OR ARE YOU SAYING WE DO WE JUST DON'T CARE GO AHEAD AND DO WHAT YOU WANT TO DO NOT PERMIT IT IS NOT PERMITTED THAT I WOULD SAY THAT'S MORE WORK FOR CODE ENFORCEMENT. ALL RIGHT WHEN I SAW THAT WRONG AND YEAH WELL YOU HAVE A GOOD SET OF REGULATIONS THAT WERE DEVELOPED IN 2020.

YEAH. AND YOU KNOW THIS BUT THEY NEED TO BE EXAMINED AND WHAT RESULT THEY HAVE PRODUCED AND IF THEY'RE NOT PRODUCING THE RESULT THAT YOU WANT IT CAUSING YOU MORE ANGST PARTICULARLY FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I THINK DEEMS WORTHY OF RESEARCH AND NEW POLICY. I MEAN WELL EVENTUALLY YES, WHATEVER THE RESEARCH SHOWS ANY OTHER COMMENTS QUESTIONS OF MR. MERCHANT IS THE IS THE APPLICANT HERE I JUST WANT IT'S BY ANY CHANCE MR. DAWSON MICHAEL I DON'T SEE HIM HERE.

OKAY. OKAY. ALL RIGHT, ALL RIGHT.

WELL, I GUESS AND IF THERE IS NO FURTHER COMMENTS THANK YOU. OKAY.

THANK WHAT IS ANYBODY I HAVE NO COMMENTS TO OFFER FOR THIS SUBJECT BY THE PERMANENT MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC SO I'LL BRING THIS BACK UP TO THE PODIUM.

ANY COMMENTS YOU ALL WOULD LIKE TO MAKE BEFORE WE TAKE THE MOTION? JOHN I'LL START I GUESS FOR ME AT SOME POINT I'D LIKE TO SEE A CONVERSATION ABOUT IN SCENARIOS LIKE THIS WHERE YOU'RE DEALING WITH DISTRICTS THAT THERE'S A BETTER WAY TO BE ABLE TO COMMUNICATE TO THE PUBLIC WHAT'S HAPPENING. WE FEEL CONFIDENT THAT THERE'S MORE OF AN OPPORTUNITY INPUT. THAT SAID, THAT'S REALLY NOT WHAT'S BEFORE US THIS EVENING AND BASED ON WHAT STAFF HAVE SAID I MEAN I CERTAINLY AM IN AGREEMENT WITH THE FACT THAT IF YOU'VE GOT THIS TYPE OF USE ALLOWED IN THE TO AND THAT EVERY INDIVIDUAL CASE IS GOING BEFORE OUR BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS THAT THERE IS A CHECKS AND BALANCES IN PLACE TO ENSURE THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY AT THAT POINT FOR PUBLIC INPUT AND TO UNDERSTAND IF THAT PARTICULAR SITE MAKES FOR THIS TYPE OF USE OR NOT. I'M PERSONALLY COMFORTABLE WITH

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ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION RAISE YOUR HAND. THREE, FOUR ALL THOSE OPPOSED TO THE MOTION RAISE YOUR HAND OR FOUR AGAINST IT. THE MOTION IS DEFEATED THE SECOND I GUESS I'M SORRY BUT WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU PUT THESE THINGS ON SO IF THE MOTION DEFEATED WE HAVE TO GIVE THE THE COUNCIL A MOTION THAT WE WOULD SUPPORT GOING FORWARD SO TO HAVE A MOTION HAVE A MOTION TO NOT APPROVE THIS PARTICULAR TEX AMENDMENT CHANGE ANYBODY WHO VOTED FOR OR AGAINST IT WOULD LIKE TO MAKE DO I HAVE I'LL GO AHEAD AND GO AHEAD.

OKAY RIGHT SO CHAIRMAN PAPPAS I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE DO NOT VOTE TO APPROVE THE CHANGE TEXT AMENDMENT CHANGE TO CDC SECTION 8.6.40 TO ALLOW SHORT TERM HOUSING RENTAL IN DALE COMMUNITY PRESERVATION DISTRICT THANK YOU. SECOND SECOND ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION DENIAL RAISE YOUR HAND TWO OR THREE OR FIVE ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION THAT WE OKAY THAT'S THREE THE MOTION IS APPROVED THERE'S A RECOMMENDATION GOING FORWARD TO COUNTY COUNCIL. ALL RIGHT, LET'S FINISH WITH

[8. CONSIDERATION OF AN ORDINANCE AMENDING THE ZONING MAP FOR 121.43 ACRES (R600 013 000 0008 0000, R600 013 000 0050 0000, R600 013 000 0105 0000, R600 013 000 0104 0000) LOCATED ON OKATIE HIGHWAY FROM T2 RURAL (T2R) TO T4 NEIGHBORHOOD CENTER (T4NC) AND T3 NEIGHBORHOOD (T3N) USING A VILLAGE PLACE TYPE OVERLAY (PTO)]

MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING WHAT WE ARE CONSIDERING TODAY IS A PROPOSAL MAP AMENDMENT WHICH IS A UNIQUE KIND CALLED A PLACE OVERLAY. AND I THINK SOME OF YOU MAY REMEMBER ABOUT A YEAR AGO THE PLANNING COMMISSION LOOKED AT A SIMILAR AND THEY ACTUALLY INCLUDED SOME OF THE LAND THAT IS UNDER THIS CURRENT CONSIDERATION AND ON THE OTHER SIDE THE CHERRY POINT ROAD BUT JUST TO PROVIDE A BRIEF OVERVIEW PLACE TYPE OVERLAY IS A PROVISION IN OUR CODE THAT ALLOWS AND OBSERVING WITH A LITTLE MORE DETAIL MORE BEING MORE PRESCRIPTIVE IN THE TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT THAT WOULD BE THE OUTCOME FOR THIS UP IN THE AREAS WHERE IT'S APPLIED IN OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN WE HAVE A FUTURE LAND USE MAP WHICH PROVIDES A GENERAL OVERVIEW OF THE TYPE OF LAND USES AND INTENSITY IN VARIOUS AREAS OF THE COUNTY IN ADDITION TO THAT WE HAVE PLACE TYPES THAT ARE IDENTIFIED IN A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN WHICH INDICATE AREAS OF THE COUNTY WHERE WE'RE PROPOSING HIGHER DENSITY THAN THE SURROUNDING AREA MIXED WALKABLE COMMUNITIES AND SO THESE AREAS ARE DELINEATED IN A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IN THE SITES THAT IS BEING CONSIDERED TODAY IS ONE OF THOSE AREAS AND THAT IS WHAT IS BEING PROPOSED A VILLAGE PLACE TYPE OVERLAY AND WHAT OUR ORDINANCE DOES IS IT PROVIDES A I WOULD SAY A KIND OF A PALETTE OF DIFFERENT ZONING DISTRICTS

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SO THE DISTRICTS THAT WOULD BE ADOPTED ARE MUCH MORE SPECIFIC IN THE TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT THAT IT WOULD PRODUCE. IF YOU THINK OF A MIXED USE COMMUNITY LIKE HABERSHAM NEW POINT THAT IS KIND OF THE INTENT OF THIS DISTRICT THAT IT'S CREATING MORE WALKABLE COMMUNITIES WITH BUILDINGS ADDRESSING THE STREET SIDEWALK PORCHES THAT TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT THAT IS WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED HERE. I JUST WANTED TO PROVIDE THAT OVERVIEW. THIS IS THE TOTAL SITE IS 121.43 ACRES BUT SOMETHING INTERESTING ABOUT THIS IF YOU CAN GO BACK TO THAT MAP IN A LOT OF THIS IS A RESPONSE I THINK TO THE WAY THE ORIGINAL THAT WE LOOKED AT LAST YEAR WAS RECEIVED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND ULTIMATELY COUNCIL DENIED THE REQUEST AT FIRST READING THIS WAS I BELIEVE IT WAS OCTOBER 2023 SO IT WAS ABOUT A YEAR AGO MANY OF THE COMMENTS THAT WERE MADE I MEAN THERE GENERAL CONCERN ABOUT THE INCREASE IN TRAFFIC BUT ALSO THE IMPACT ON THE SCHOOL AND THE CAPACITY OF OKATIE ELEMENTARY AND OTHER PUBLIC SCHOOLS IN SOUTHERN COUNTY WHERE THEIR CAPACITY ISSUES IN ADDITION THERE WAS MUCH OPPOSITION FROM THE CHERRY POINT COMMUNITY ALONG THE OKATIE RIVER AND SO THIS PARTICULAR DEVELOPMENT IS IT'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT AND I'LL JUST KIND OF WALK THROUGH IF YOU LOOK AT MAP THE AREA TO THE SOUTH OF CHERRY POINT ROAD THAT IS WHAT WE LOOKED AT LAST YEAR. THAT'S THE THAT AREA IS CURRENTLY ZONED RURAL AND THEN IF YOU GO NORTH OF CHERRY POINT ROAD YOU COULD SEE IN THIS MAP PARCEL C THAT IS ACTUALLY ELEMENTARY SO THAT IS A SITE THAT IS CURRENTLY OWNED BY THE SCHOOL DISTRICT DEVELOPED AS AN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL AND THEN YOU HAVE PARCEL D AT THE TOP LEFT HAND CORNER WHICH IS ANOTHER PROPERTY OWNED BY THE SCHOOL DISTRICT.

PART OF THAT IS IS WETLANDS OF IT IS CURRENTLY BEING IMPROVED TO PROVIDE ANOTHER MEANS OF ACCESS TO OKATIE ELEMENTARY FOR SCHOOL BUSSES AND WHAT IS BEING PROPOSED IN ADDITION TO THIS REZONING IS THAT THE SCHOOL DISTRICT AND THE DEVELOPER ARE PROPOSING A LAND SWAP SO THE PROPERTY THAT IS INDICATED AS PARCEL D IS CURRENTLY OWNED BY THE SCHOOL DISTRICT THEY'RE PROPOSING TO CONVEY TO THE DEVELOPER WHERE THE DEVELOPER WOULD CONVEY A PARCEL B WHICH IS IN 30 ACRES SITE AT THE REAR OF THAT CHERRY POINT PROPERTY THAT WE LOOKED AT LAST YEAR THE SET SO IT'S IT'S BASICALLY THE SCHOOL DISTRICT BENEFITS BECAUSE THEY GET CURRENTLY THAT PROPERTY NOW WITH THE WETLANDS THE ACCESS ROAD IS REALLY NOT IDEAL FOR THEIR MINIMUM SITE AREA FOR A FUTURE SCHOOL SITE THE DEVELOPER BENEFITS FROM HAVING LAND IT IS CLOSER TO 170 AND ALSO THIS PROVIDES A BUFFER BETWEEN THIS DEVELOPMENT IN THE CHERRY POINT AND RIVER OAKS COMMUNITY BY HAVING A SCHOOL SITE LOCATED ON PARCEL B SO KIND OF AN OVERVIEW OF WHAT IS BEING PROPOSED HERE. THE DARK PURPLE ON THIS MAP IS PROPOSED T FOR NEIGHBORHOOD CENTER AND THEN THE LIGHTER IS T THREE NEIGHBORHOODS AND THE SCHOOL SITES OF COURSE NOT GOING TO BE DEVELOPED AS HOUSING OR DENSITY WITH THAT.

SO EVEN THOUGH IT'S A MUCH LARGER LAND, THE ACTUAL SIZE AND COMPARISON IS VERY SIMILAR TO WAS BEING PROPOSED BEFORE THAT YELLOW PARCEL IS PROPERTY OWNER AND THAT'S NOT BEING

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SO THAT IF YOU LOOK AT THE MAP THERE'S THERE'S A LARGER THERE WHICH INCLUDES THAT ENTRANCE ROAD AND THEN THE DARK PURPLE WHICH IS ALL PARCEL D THAT IS WHAT THE SCHOOL DISTRICT WELL THIS MIGHT MAKE IT A LITTLE CLEAR THAT'S WHAT THE SCHOOL DISTRICT CURRENTLY OWNS AND THEN THE REAR PORTION OF THAT CHERRY POINT PROPERTY 30 ACRES IS WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING TO BUY FROM THE DEVELOPER OR TRADE FOR THIS PROPERTY. OKAY.

SO JUST WITH THAT OVERVIEW AND THERE'S I GUESS SOME ABOUT THE NUMBER OF UNITS BEING PROPOSED AND THERE'S THAT I CAN GO THAT WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING ON THE CALL.

OKAY. BUT IS THERE IS THERE A CEILING OF HOW MANY UNITS THERE IS? OKAY. SO TWO DIFFERENT IT'S IDENTIFYING BY YEAH I HAD TWO DIFFERENT NUMBERS JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT. HELLO BRIAN WITMER WITH WITMER JONES KEEFER WE'RE THE LAND PLANNERS ON THIS PROJECT AND SO WE ARE ON THE PARCEL THAT THE LOWER PARCEL WHICH A IT'S 258 RESIDENT UNITS IN A MIX OF 290 COMMERCIAL RETAIL MIX AND THEN D WOULD BE PARCEL D WHICH IS YES IS 132 MAX RESIDENTIAL AND HUNDRED AND 25 COMMERCIAL MAX AND THOSE ARE THE MAXIMUMS WHEN THE PLAN COMES IN IT'S GOING TO BE A COMBINATION OF THOSE AS DEFINED RIGHT NOW THAT IS THE MAX YOU COULD DO THE MAX YOU COULD DO OKAY.

ALL RIGHT? YEAH. AND THAT TAKES INTO ACCOUNT ALL FOUR PARCELS IT DOES WE'RE REALLY AND I THINK WHEN WE GET TO AND WHEN I TALK TO PEOPLE ABOUT THIS PLAN I THINK IT'LL BE EASIER FOR YOU TO SEE IF WE GET TO THIS.

I THINK WE'LL TALK A LITTLE HELP. ALL RIGHT.

OKAY. I I SAW SOME NUMBERS THAT WERE IN THE LETTERS FROM THE MIDDLE BLUFF COMMUNITY AND AND THEN ALSO THE TIA. SO IT'S A LITTLE CONFUSED BUT I CAME UP WITH THE MAXIMUM ALLOWABLE IF YOU GO 612 YEARS PER ACRE WITH THE VILLAGE PLACE TYPE IT'S 384 UNITS. JUST TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA, THE PLAN THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION CONSIDERED LAST YEAR THAT WAS THAT SMALLER COULD HAVE BEEN 426 UNITS JUST TO GIVE YOU THE COMPARISON OF WHAT YOU LOOKED AT THE PREVIOUS TIME AND THAT WAS IS PARTIAL A AND B CORRECT? YES. WAS LAST YEAR THEY WANTED 428.

YES AND NOW YOU'RE JUST SAYING JUST WITH THAT PARCEL IT'S GOING TO BE 384 NOT WITH PARCEL WITH PARCEL A AND D. OKAY. SO SO THE OTHER THING IS THAT AND THIS WILL GET FURTHER INTO DISCUSSION THAT THERE IS A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT THEN THAT'S SOMETHING IN ADDITION COULD BE NEGOTIATED AS FAR AS GETTING MORE SPECIFIC ON COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL BUT THAT'S WHAT THE ORDINANCE WOULD ALLOW WITH THIS REZONING BASED ON THE ACREAGE THE CONTRACT FOR PARCEL D WHERE THE WETLANDS ARE CURRENTLY LOCATED AND IT'S GOING TO BE A ROAD THROUGH IT BUT YOU SAID SOME UNITS GOING TO BE BUILT THERE.

IS THERE A PLAN TO CREATE WETLANDS SOMEWHERE ELSE ON THE ON THE PROPERTY? CAN YOU GO TO THE I GUESS THE MORE DETAILED PLAN? YEAH OF COURSE.

I THINK THE NEXT ONE SIR ONE MORE HAS THE STREETS BUT MAYBE NOT BUT PROBABLY LOOKING FOR THE DEVELOPER. OH WE GO. NO NO NOT IT'S THAT'S THE OLD

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NOW SO WHAT I'M GOING TO DO I'M GOING TO LET KEVIN SULLIVAN OUR TRANSPORTATION PLANNER TALK ABOUT THE TRANSPORTATION ISSUES AND THEN I'LL GET BACK INTO THE REVIEW OF THE DEVELOPMENT AND HOW IT SQUARES OUR CRITERIA THAT WE USE AND THEN THE THEN GO ON TO OUR RECOMMENDATION THAT WE'RE GOING TO DISCUSS THE STAFF COMMENTS. YES, YES.

1516 THINGS YES. OKAY. OKAY.

OKAY. EVENING COMMISSIONER. COULD YOU PLEASE IDENTIFY YOURSELF KEVIN SULLIVAN IF THE COUNTY ENGINEERING SO WE UNDERSTAND THAT THERE WERE CHANGES MADE TO THE DEVELOPMENT OF COURSE ROB WENT THROUGH THE OVERLAY DISTRICT AND THE PRELIMINARIES AS TO HOW WE ARE LOOKING AT WHAT TO WITH THIS PROJECT MOVING FORWARD AS ENGINEERS WE WANTED TO UNDERSTAND THE TRAFFIC IMPACT SO WE ASKED THE APPLICANT TO PROVIDE WHAT WE CALL A TO A MEMORANDUM SO WE CAN EXPRESS SOME INFORMATION TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION AS FAST AS POSSIBLE. THIS IS ONE OF THE TOOLS WE USE IN OUR PLANNING TOOLBOX TO YOU KNOW, TO TO DESCRIBE WHAT'S GOING ON WITH CHANGES NUMBER ONE AND TO DEMONSTRATE THE IMPACT THAT THE CHANGES MIGHT HAVE IN THE AREA.

AND LASTLY TO DETERMINE WHAT IS TO BE DONE NEXT. AND SO THE REPORT IS UP ONLINE RIGHT NOW. WE CAN WALK THROUGH SOME OF THE REPORT.

BUT JUST JUST SO THE PLANNING COMMISSION KNOWS THIS REPORT WHAT IT DOES WHAT WHAT IT DOES IN THE CHANGES FROM THE NEW I MEAN FROM THE OLD TRAFFIC IMPACT TO WHAT THEY'RE PLANNING TO DO NOW IT DESCRIBES CHANGES THAT'S THE FIRST D THE SECOND D IT DOES IT DEMONSTRATES WHAT IMPACTS THOSE CHANGES MAY HAVE TO THE NETWORK AND NUMBER THREE, THE THIRD D IS IT DETERMINES WHAT IS TO BE DONE. SO AS YOU WALK THROUGH THE ACTUAL TIE MEMORANDUM IT STARTS THE TRIP GENERATION FROM THE THE STUDY THAT WAS DONE ON PHASE NUMBER TWO AND IT DETAILS THE NUMBER OF AM PM TRIPS FOR THAT DEVELOPMENT I BELIEVE WAS 400 POINTS AND 400 AND SOMETHING UNITS. AND AS YOU MOVE DOWN WE ACTUALLY ASKED THE APPLICANT TO SHOW US THE HIGHEST AND BEST USE SCENARIOS SO THESE SERVICES THAT WE WANTED HIM TO KIND OF THINK THROUGH WHAT THEY MAY POSSIBLY BE PUTTING TOGETHER IT'S REALLY IN THE EARLY STAGES. THEY REALLY DON'T KNOW IF THEY WANT TO GO THERE, IF THEY WANT TO. RIGHT. THEY WANT TO GO UP.

THEY WANT TO GO DOWN. SO TO BE AS TRANSPARENT AS WE POSSIBLY COULD FOR THE COMMISSION WE WANTED THEM TO PUT IN THIS MEMORANDUM OF THE SCENARIOS THAT THEY THINK MAY THE HIGHEST AND BEST USE AND THEY DID THAT SO THEY REALLY WORKED GOOD.

THEY WORKED FAST AND THEY PUT A VERY MOLDED MEMORANDUM TOGETHER FOR US FOR YOU.

SO IF YOU GO ON TO THE NEXT YOU CAN SEE I GUESS YOU CAN START WITH SCENARIO EIGHT IT'S NOT A SMALL C BUT YEAH THAT'S THAT THAT'S SCENARIO A AND IT IT'S SCENARIO IS SLIGHTLY HIGHER AS FAR AS THE TOTAL TRIPS GENERATED PER DAY IS SLIGHTLY HIGHER SOME THEM ARE A GOOD BIT HIGHER END TRIPS THAN THE EXISTING STUDY. SO THAT'S THE TRANSPARENCY THAT WE WANTED TO SHOW IN THE MEMORANDUM SO WE KNOW THAT WHAT THE THE ORIGINAL STUDY SAID THAT THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT NEEDED BE MADE BASED ON THE TRIPS GENERATED THERE WE UNDERSTAND BECAUSE IT'S MORE BEING GENERATED WITH THESE PROPOSED SCENARIOS THAT THAT

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YES. AND I THINK ONE OF THE FOUR SCENARIOS OR MAYBE A FIFTH ONE THAT HASN'T BEEN STUDIED MIGHT BE A PART OF THAT, CORRECT? CORRECT.

BUT IN ESSENCE YOU SAY THE IN WON'T FLOW DON'T MEASURABLY THE INFRASTRUCTURE NEEDS WITHIN AND WITHIN SITE NOT MEASURABLY NOT MEASURABLY BUT BUT BUT BUT WE DO NEED THAT TO IF WE WANT TO BE PRECISE IN HOW WE DO RATCHET UP THOSE DIFFERENT IMPROVEMENTS WHAT WE SAW IS A THOROUGH PLAN A THOROUGH FAIR PLAN. YES ISN'T NECESSARILY GOING TO BE THE FINAL EVERYWHERE, YOU KNOW. NO. WELL, THAT'S TRUE.

I MEAN WE WERE UP YOU CAN COME UP WITH THAT. I BELIEVE THAT THERE ARE BOTH THE THOROUGHFARE IS A THAT THAT SHALL BE THE CERTAIN WIDTH IT TO BE THAT WAY THE SIDEWALKS IT HAS TO BE THAT WAY SO THE OKAY I BELIEVE THAT'S ALL RIGHT THANK YOU.

YEAH I DON'T WANT CONFUSE THE THE THE TRAFFIC IMPACTS ANALYSIS AND THE TYPE OF ISSUES THAT THAT ADDRESSES REALLY HAVE TO DO WITH THE EXTERNAL IMPACTS OF THE DEVELOPMENT OR ON STREETS THAT ARE WITHIN THE AREA LIKE CHERRY POINT. BUT THE THOROUGHFARE PLAN IS SOMETHING THAT IS THAT GOES FORWARD. YOU KNOW IT RECOMMENDED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION APPROVED BY COUNCIL THAT IS SOMETHING THAT'S SET AND NEEDS TO BE FOLLOWED BY THE APPLICANT AS THEY DEVELOP IT AND DEVELOP THE PROPERTY.

SO WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO PROPOSE TO DO I'D GO OVER THE LARGER PLANNING ISSUES RELATED TO THIS DEVELOPMENT IN OUR RECOMMENDATION AND THEN ALLOW THE APPLICANT TO I GUESS GO A LITTLE MORE INTO DETAIL ABOUT THE ACTUAL PLACE OVERLAY THAT IS BEING PROPOSED, THE DETAIL OF THE NATURE OF THE DEVELOPMENT. I THINK THAT MIGHT BE THE EASIEST WAY TO DO THIS. SO AS WE EVALUATE OF COURSE A BIG FACTOR HAS TO DO WITH THE TRAFFIC IMPACTS THAT'S PART OF OUR OVERALL ZONING MAP AMENDMENT REVIEW STANDARDS THAT WE HAVE TO USE FOR ALL THE ZONING MAP AND PLACE TYPE. BUT THE FIRST AND FOREMOST IS THAT THE QUESTION ABOUT WHETHER IT'S CONSISTENT WITH A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND BY VIRTUE OF WHAT IS BEING PROPOSED AND ITS LOCATION, IT'S IT'S A PLACE TYPE OVERLAY VILLAGE PLACE TYPE IN THAT CORRESPONDS WITH WHAT IS IN OUR FUTURE USE PLAN IN THE IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. SO IN THE TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT THAT IT IS CREATING WALKABLE DEVELOPMENT ESPECIALLY WHICH IS INTERCONNECTED WITH OTHER COMMUNITIES AND WITH THE SCHOOL

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OUR AUDIENCE HAS VERY YOU KNOW FORMIDABLE ENVIRONMENTAL STANDARDS STORMWATER ANYTHING SITES SPECIFIC THAT'S SOMETHING THAT COULD BE A CONDITION YOU KNOW AS THIS MOVES FORWARD BUT WE BELIEVE THAT THE CURRENT STANDARDS IN OUR CODE ADEQUATELY ADDRESS NEW DEVELOPMENT AND THEY HAVE ALSO LOCATED THEIR OPEN SPACE IN AREAS WHERE THERE ARE SIGNIFICANT FEATURES WHETHER THEY'RE WETLANDS OR EXISTING STANDS OF TREES ON THE SITE AND THEN ULTIMATELY QUESTION NINE YOU KNOW IT'S YEAH YOU KNOW IT DOES IT BY PUBLIC FACILITIES WE BELIEVE THAT THE SCHOOL DISTRICT QUESTION HAS BEEN ADEQUATELY ADDRESSED BECAUSE IT IS YOU KNOW PROVIDING FOR A FUTURE SCHOOL SITE THE QUESTION ABOUT GETS A LITTLE MORE COMPLICATED AND WE BELIEVE THAT THAT CAN BE WORKED OUT THROUGH THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT AND ALSO COORDINATED WITH WITH THE PROPOSED IMPROVEMENTS 170 THAT ARE COMING FROM THE COUNTY BUT WE BELIEVE THAT IT YOU KNOW IS ADEQUATELY SERVED BY FACILITIES THAT THEY ARE, YOU KNOW, COORDINATED PROPERLY AND THAT'S A BIG QUESTION WITH THE REFERENDUM LOOMING OUT THERE BECAUSE OF THE TIMING OF , THE 170 IMPROVEMENTS WILL MOST LIKELY BE IMPACTED THE THE FUNDING AND THE THE THE ABILITY TO PAY FOR IT. SO THAT'S SOMETHING TO KEEP IN MIND OVERALL. STAFF RECOMMENDATION JUST TO SUMMARIZE I MEAN A REVISION JUST TO PROVIDE SOME CLARITY I'LL GO AND PASS THE SOUTH TO EVERYONE.

IT'S A PARKING SORT OF RECOMMENDATION AS I HAD SAID EARLIER, WE BELIEVE THAT THE SO WE SUPPORT THE PROPOSED PLACE TYPE OVERLAY AMENDMENT BUT WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS AND COMMENTS. YOU KNOW THE FIRST IS I KIND OF WALK YOU THROUGH THE CRITERIA FOR CONSIDERING OF MAP AMENDMENTS AND WE BELIEVE THIS MEETS THAT CRITERIA.

WE BELIEVE I GUESS ON THE JULY THREE YOU KNOW, AS KEVIN SPOKE WITH YOU, YOU JUST ONE PAGE RIGHT IT TWO SIDE SIDES TO ONE THING YEAH SO THE IMPACTS IN A TRANSPORTATION COULD BE ADDRESSED BY ONSITE AND OFFSITE IMPROVEMENTS TO 170 CHERRY CHERRY POINT ROAD IN IMPLEMENTED THROUGH DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT AND THAT'S KEY ALL THE IMPROVEMENTS WILL NEED TO BE COORDINATED WITH PROPOSED REGIONAL IMPROVEMENTS TO SEE 170 THE ZONING AMENDMENT

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SO WE BELIEVE THAT THE COMPLEXITY OF WHAT IS BEING PROPOSED HERE NEEDS TO BE BOLSTERED WITH THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT BY COUNTY COUNCIL FOR A NUMBER OF REASONS.

YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT THE LAND SWAP WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT SHOULD BE MEMORIALIZED IN THAT AGREEMENT. THE PROPOSED TRANSPORTATION BOTH ON SITE AND OFFSITE IMPROVEMENTS TO CHERRY POINT ROAD ALL OF THAT NEEDS TO BE AS WELL.

IN ADDITION, IF THE PROPOSED NUMBER OF DWELLINGS UNITS IS LOWER OF WHAT IS BEING PROPOSED IS LOWER THAN WHAT THE MAXIMUM THAT COULD BE PERMITTED WITH THE ZONING CHANGE THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE BELIEVE SHOULD BE THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT AS WELL SO AS FAR THE COMMENTS. SO I WANTED TO I GUESS REMIND THIS IS A LITTLE MORE COMPLICATED THAN A STRAIGHTFORWARD REZONING. WE HAVE A THOROUGHFARE PLAN, AN OPEN SPACE PLAN THAT A COMPANY IT AND SO FOR THAT REASON AND I HAD THIS CONVERSATION WITH ED EARLIER OR I GUESS WEEK IS THAT IF IT MAKES IT A LITTLE MORE DIFFICULT FOR STAFF WE MEAN WE HAVE TO MAKE A DETERMINATION WHETHER AN APPLICATION IS COMPLETE AND THEN THERE ARE ISSUES ABOUT THE SUBSTANCE OF THE APPLICATION. SO WHEN WE'RE DETERMINING COMPLETENESS WE'RE BASICALLY LETTING THE APPLICANT KNOW WE'VE RECEIVED YOUR APPLICATION AND THIS COULD BE ON THE NEXT PLANNING COMMISSION AGENDA BUT THEN WHEN YOU GET SOMETHING LIKE A POLICE TYPE OVERLAY WITH THIS LEVEL COMPLEXITY STAFF NEEDS TO REVIEW IT AND SO IN THAT REVIEW WE'VE COME UP WITH SOME QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS FOR THE WE'VE PROVIDED THESE TO THEM AND. WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE WORK THROUGH THEM BUT THESE HAVE TO DO WITH SOME OF THE DETAILS OF HOW THINGS ARE LAID OUT IN THE COMMUNITY.

WE HAVE SUCH THINGS AS MAXIMUM BLOCK SIZES TOO TO PROMOTE A NETWORK OF STREETS WE HAVE REQUIREMENTS THAT YOU KNOW THAT PEOPLE ARE WITHIN WALKING DISTANCE OF SOME SORT OF SPACE AND THAT'S WHERE THAT PEDESTRIAN SHADOW APPLIES. YOU SEE THE RADII ON THE ON THIS MAP AND ALSO THE YOU KNOW, THE CIVIC AND OPEN SPACE PLAN VERY SPECIFIC REQUIREMENTS FOR THAT. AND SO THAT'S WHAT THESE ISSUES ON THE BACK ARE SO THAT THIS GIVES YOU I THINK JUST A LITTLE MORE CLARITY IN HOW WE CRAFTED OUR, YOU KNOW, STAFF RECOMMENDATION TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO QUESTION OKAY. SO PARTICULAR ISSUES NEED TO BE ADDRESSED BEFORE IT GETS TO THE COMMUNITY LAND USE COMMITTEE WE BELIEVE THEY SHOULD BECAUSE I YOU KNOW YOU KNOW THAT WAY IT'S MOVING FORWARD IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN SAY IS MEETING THE REQUIREMENTS OF OUR CODE OKAY AND YOU KNOW OUR CONCERN IS THAT GETTING TOO FAR INTO THE PROCESS AND STILL HAVING TO MAKE THESE REVISIONS SPEC THEN YOU'RE GOING TO SEE A MATERIAL CHANGE TO THE APPLICATION BETWEEN NOW AND THE TIME IT GETS THE LAND USE.

WELL I MEAN IF THESE ISSUES WOULD MEAN SOME SMALL CHANGES TO WHAT WHAT YOU SEE ON THIS SLIDE HERE SO SOME CHANGES THE WAY THE OPEN SPACE IS CONFIGURED, SOME MINOR CHANGES TO THE STREET PLANS SO THAT THE BLOCK SIZES ARE MEETING OUR MAXIMUM BLOCK SIZES AND BLOCK LENGTHS THINGS LIKE THAT OKAY IS WHAT WE WOULD ANTICIPATE. ALL RIGHT.

GOOD QUESTIONS ARE OKAY. GOOD. I DON'T KNOW ROB ON THE ON OKATIE LENDING STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS. SO THE FLIP SIDE I GUESS IT'S NOT WANTING TO ADD WHAT YOU SAID THIS DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT SHOULD BE ADOPTED CONCURRENTLY

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OKAY. BECAUSE OKAY THAT'S A LITTLE DIFFERENT FROM WHAT I HEARD YOU SAYING THIS SAYS OKAY, THANK YOU. WE THAT'S WHAT I MEANT TO SAY BECAUSE THAT'S THE WAY IT'S BEEN DONE WITH WITH EVERY OTHER THAT THE DEVELOPMENT IS AGREEMENT DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT IS DONE WITH A REZONING. IT'S DONE CONCURRENTLY THAT BOTH THIRD AND FINAL READING FOR BOTH AT THE SAME TIME IS WHAT I'M GETTING AT.

SO ROBERT, I JUST HAD A QUESTION ABOUT VILLAGE PLACE TAPE OVERLAY IN GENERAL WHAT MY FIRST SAW THE APPLICATION MY INITIAL QUESTION IS WHY ARE WE UP ZONING THE SCHOOL SITES THEN I REALIZE THAT WE NEED THE THE T THREE TO MEET THE REQUIREMENT OF WHAT'S LAID OUT IN THE CODE IN TERMS OF THE VILLAGE PLACE TYPE OVERLAY. BUT THEN I ALSO WAS THINKING BASED WHAT I READ IN TERMS OF THE INTENT OF THE VILLAGE PLACE TYPE OVERLAY THAT MUCH OF THAT T THREE IS REALLY INTENDED TO BE A RESIDENTIAL COMPONENT THAT SUPPORTS WHAT'S HAPPENING IN THE T FOUR WE'RE IN THIS CASE VIRTUALLY ALL THE T THREE IS CIVIC SPACE SO THAT THAT SEEMS A LITTLE BIT INCONSISTENT WITH WHAT I WOULD HAVE ENVISIONED OR EXPECTED BASED ON MY UNDERSTANDING OF THE CODE WHAT A VILLAGE PLACE TYPE OVERLAY IS INTENDED TO ACCOMPLISH. AND THEN THE SECOND PART OF THAT WAS THAT I KNOW IT ALSO TALKS ABOUT WHEN YOU WOULD HAVE CIVIC SPACES REQUIRED AS PART OF THE VILLAGE REFERS TO SECTION 238 OPEN SPACE CIVIC SPACE CIVIC BUILDINGS AND UNDER THAT SECTION OF THE CODE IT SAYS FOR NEW SCHOOL CAMPUSES YOU SHOULDN'T EXCEED 15 ACRES FOR A SCHOOLS, TEN ACRES FOR MIDDLE SCHOOLS AND FIVE ACRES FOR ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS. AND I MEAN CLEARLY WE'VE GOT 30 PLUS ACRES FOR A FUTURE SCHOOL. SO I JUST WANTED TO GET STAFF'S TAKE ON THOSE WOULD SEEM LIKE DISCREPANCIES IN TERMS OF WHAT'S IN THE CODE IN TERMS OF THE VILLAGE PLACE TYPE OVERLAY AND WHAT'S BEEN PROPOSED. OKAY.

YEP. YEAH. THE QUESTION YOU ASK ABOUT THE SCHOOL AREA IS A LITTLE MORE DIFFICULT BECAUSE I THINK WHAT YOU HAVE IS IS I WOULD SAY MORE OF A PLANNING IDEAL VERSUS SCHOOL DISTRICT POLICY AND SO WHAT I SEE IS IS SOME SORT OF STRIKING OF A BALANCE BETWEEN WHAT THEIR FACILITY NEEDS ARE YOU KNOW, IF THEY'RE GOING TO DO A MIDDLE SCHOOL OR ,YOU KNOW, AN EARLY LEARNING CENTER, HOWEVER THEY THEY EVENTUALLY THAT SCHOOL SITE IT'S YOU KNOW, THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO WORK WITH THEIR OWN SCHOOL SITING POLICIES IN ADDITION TO THE ZONING AS WELL .

IT COULD BE ADDRESSED THROUGH HOW WE DISTRIBUTE YOU KNOW A SCHOOL SITE CONSISTS BALL

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IT PROVIDES A REALISTIC SITE FOR A FUTURE SCHOOL AND THEN IN TERMS OF THE MIX OF T FOUR AND 23I MEAN IT SEEMS LIKE REALLY T FOUR THAT'S BEING PROPOSED IS LESS SERVING THE VILLAGE AND IT'S GOING TO HAVE TO BE SUPPORTED BY A MUCH LARGER MARKET AREA THAN WHAT I WOULD HAVE ENVISIONED IN TERMS OF THE VILLAGE, IN TERMS OF A CONCEPT .

YEAH. AND I THINK THAT THAT'S A FAIR POINT AND I WOULD RECOMMEND YOU KNOW THE THE APPLICANT IS GOING TO BE TALKING THROUGH THE PROPOSAL AND I THINK THAT YOU KNOW THAT SHOULD BE A QUESTION BROUGHT TO THE APPLICANT. THANK YOU.

OKAY. I THINK I RECALL A YEAR AGO WHEN WE WERE LOOKING AT THE SCHOOL TO LOOK AT THE ELEMENTARY WAS ALMOST CAPACITY IN .91 OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT AND I DON'T BELIEVE IN THE CURRENT SCHOOL OR REFERENDUM IS ASKING FOR AN ADDITIONAL SCHOOL AND SO I WAS WONDERING WHY THE SCHOOL DISTRICT WAS NOT REPRESENTED TONIGHT.

WELL, THEY ARE PART YOU KNOW THEY'RE PART OF THE APPLICATION AND THAT THAT IS A GOOD QUESTION. KNOW WE'VE WE HAVE BEEN COORDINATING WITH THEM WE'VE HAD MEETINGS WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT. YOU'RE RIGHT.

THIS IS NOT PART OF THE CURRENT REFERENDUM. THAT REFERENDUM IS BUILDING A NEW SCHOOL OVER THE MAY RIVER CAMPUS BUT NOT IN THIS LOCATION.

SO THIS IS A LAND SET ASIDE FOR FUTURE NEEDS FOR THE SCHOOL DISTRICT FUTURE.

YEAH. OKAY. AS AS IT'S GOING BE PROPOSED AND THAT ZONING FOR PARCEL UNDER T FOUR AND C IT'S CONSIDERED A SPECIAL USE SCHOOL IS THAT CORRECT. SPECIAL USE IN YOUR VIEW FOR PARCEL B THAT THAT WE'RE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT RIGHT NOW FOR FUTURE USE RIGHT. YEAH IT'S A GOOD DO YOU HAVE THAT CRYSTAL. YEAH WELL SHE'S LOOKING AT A THAT AREA OBVIOUSLY WILL BE DATED TO COUNTY SCHOOL SYSTEM YES THAT'S PART OF THE AGREEMENT SOMEWHERE DOWN THE LINE WOULD THE SCHOOL IT AS IT GETS ON IT'S EITHER T FOUR NC OR T3N COULD THEY SELL PARTS OF THOSE LAND IF THE LARGE YOU KNOW I THINK JOHN EVEN SAID THE FOOTPRINT THAT IS REQUIRED FOR A HIGH SCHOOL SCHOOL AND MIDDLE SCHOOL IF THEY FIND THAT HERE WE HAVE 20 ACRES THAT WE NEED AND HERE'S ANOTHER TEN THAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO ANYTHING TO COULD THEY POSSIBLY SELL THAT AND HOMES COULD BE BUILT ON THAT AT THAT POINT UNDER THE VILLAGE TYPE OVERLAYS CORRECT WELL THAT'S WHY I RECOMMEND THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT THOSE YOU KNOW THAT SCHOOL DISTRICT RATHER SHORT OF A RESTRICTED COVENANTS OR SOMETHING THAT WOULD SAY THAT THIS PROPERTY COULD ONLY USE BE USED FOR EDUCATIONAL PURPOSES SO THAT'S A PRIVATE MATTER WITH WITH THE DEED I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT THAT'S A TYPE OF ISSUE THAT WOULD BE ADDRESSED TO THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT THAT IF THIS LAND IS TRANSFERRED AND IT'S ZONED WAY THAT FOR THE LIFE OF THIS AGREEMENT THIS THIS IS FOR YOU KNOW, SCHOOL USE ONLY OR FOR SCHOOL SITE.

OKAY SORRY ONE LAST QUESTION AND I KNOW THE PLACE TYPE OVERLAY IS RELATIVELY A NEW CREATURE FOR ALL OF US NOT ONLY FOR STAFF BUT ALSO FOR THE COMMISSION IN TERMS OF I WANT TO SAY HISTORICALLY BUT WE REALLY HAVEN'T SEEN THAT MANY OF THEM.

IT SEEMS LIKE THE LAST COUPLE OF PLANS THAT WE'VE SEEN THAT BECAME THE REGULATORY OR REGULATION REGULATING PLAN EXCUSE ME LOOKED MORE LIKE WHAT THE APPLICANT SHOWING ON THEIR SKETCH MASTER PLAN THAN THE LEVEL OF INFORMATION THAT'S BEING SHOWN ON WHAT'S LABELED

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SO I GUESS MY QUESTION IS TRYING TO BE CONSISTENT IN TERMS OF WHAT ASKING OF APPLICANTS AS FAR AS A REGULATING PLAN TO MOVE FORWARD, WOULD WE BE ABLE TO HAVE THAT LEVEL OF INFORMATION THAT SHOWS UP ON THE SKETCH MASTER PLAN IS BECOMING THE ACTUAL REGULATING PLAN RATHER THAN WHAT WE'RE SEEING ON THE SCREEN RIGHT NOW? WELL, THE ORDINANCE DOESN'T THE ORDINANCE REQUIRES THE PLAN AND IT REQUIRES THE REGULATING PLAN WITH THE ZONING DISTRICTS BUT IT DOESN'T GET DOWN TO INDIVIDUAL BUILDINGS.

SO THE LAST TIME THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION WHEN YOU LOOKED AT THE CHERRY POINT PLACE TYPE OVERLAY, THAT INFORMATION WAS PROVIDED FOR ILLUSTRATIVE PURPOSES BUT IT WASN'T SOMETHING THAT WAS GOING BE REGULATORY WITH THE PLACE TYPE OVERLAY SORRY.

I'M LOOKING AT MY NOTES BECAUSE I THOUGHT WHEN IT DESCRIBED THE PLAN IT SPECIFICALLY MENTIONED BUILDINGS AS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT EVEN THOUGH IT RECOGNIZED THAT THEY WERE ILLUSTRATIVE THAT AT LEAST IT WAS SHOWING AND PART OF THE REASON I THINK THAT'S AT LEAST IMPORTANT FOR ME IS IF YOU SEE A SERIES OF FOUR SMALL FOOTPRINT STRUCTURES ON A PARTICULAR RATHER THAN ONE LARGE FOOTPRINT STRUCTURE THAT HAS AN IMPACT IN TERMS OF POTENTIAL USES AND HOW IT MIGHT AFFECT CIRCULATION AND PARKING AND OTHER KIND OF ARRAY OF TYPES OF THINGS.

SO I THINK IT'S USEFUL AND IT SEEMS LIKE WE HAD HAD THOSE KINDS OF FOOTPRINTS ON OTHER REGULATING PLANS THAT WE HAD SEEN BUT MAYBE I'M WRONG I BELIEVE THEY WERE WITH THE CHERRY POINT BUT I CAN'T THINK OF ANY OTHER ONES THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION LOOKED AT.

ONE THING I WILL SAY IS THAT THE TRANS ZONES HAVE RESTRICTIONS ON THE OVERALL SIZE OF BUILDINGS, THE SIZE OF FOOTPRINTS SO THE MAXIMUM NUMBER OF UNITS FOR AN APARTMENT IS 12 YEARS FOR BUILDING, YOU KNOW SO YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT SMALLER FOOTPRINT OR SMALLER MORE FINE GRAINED BUILDINGS UNLESS YOU'RE GETTING KIND OF A MAIN STREET STOREFRONT AREA. SO THERE IS A LOT MORE IN THE TRANSACTION ZONES THAT PROVIDE THAT TYPE OF COMMUNITY AND THE THE NATURE OF DEVELOPMENTS THEN IN A TYPICAL SETTING, YOU KNOW, CONVENTIONAL ZONING DISTRICT COULD THANK YOU. JUST ONE LAST QUESTION.

OKAY. AND I RECOMMENDATION TO GO FORWARD FOR THE REZONING.

WE CAN ADD ALL OF THE CONDITIONALS, STAFF COMMENTS AND ANY OTHER COMMENTS THAT WE THINK ARE APPROPRIATE TO THAT HAVE THINGS THAT NEED TO BE DONE ARE PART OF THAT RECOMMENDATION. IN OTHER WORDS, WE DON'T DROP SOMEWHERE ALONG THE WAY BECAUSE THEY'RE IN SOME OF THE CORRESPONDENCE WE'VE RECEIVED THERE'S A NUMBER OF RECOMMENDATIONS TO BE INCLUDED AND WE HAVEN'T HEARD ABOUT THOSE YET SO.

THIS IS MORE THAN JUST OUR RECOMMENDATION FOR THE REZONING BASED ON THE REGULATING PLANS AND ALL THE PLANS THAT HAVE BEEN SUBMITTED. IT'S A LOT OF THINGS HAVEN'T BEEN DONE BY IN PROGRESS AND WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT STAY TUNED TO THEM AND ALL THE WAYS THAT THE PUBLIC HAS DEMONSTRATED THAT THEY WANT OR GET NEGOTIATED BETWEEN THE DEVELOPER AND THE COMMUNITY. I'M VERY PLEASED SEE BASED ON THE CORRESPONDENCE I'VE SEEN THAT THE COMMUNITY HAS BEEN VERY IMPRESSED BY YOU KNOW AS A MR. RICHARD SCHWARTZ WE'VE BEEN IN DIALOG WITH WITH THEM BOTH COMMUNITIES MAILING IN PROPOSED AND IS VERY HAPPY THAT THESE ISSUES ARE BEING ADDRESSED QUESTION IS WE DON'T WANT TO DROP THE BALL ON THAT EXPECTATION SO IT'S GOING TO BE OUR RECOMMENDATION TO CARRY FORWARD A LOT OF THINGS THAT DON'T WAIT UNTIL THE FINAL SAY BY THE PLANNING BY THE COUNTY COUNCIL BUT THE LAND USE FOR FOLKS ARE GOING TO HAVE SOME WORK TO DO WELL, IT'S MY VIEWPOINT.

THANK YOU. WHO'S NEXT? I AM KIMBERLY.

WE'RE GOING TO MOVE. YEAH, I'LL GO TO START ONCE AGAIN BRIAN WHITMER.

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I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND INTRODUCE DYLAN TURNER IS GOING TO TALK ABOUT TRAFFIC SO QUESTIONS THAT RELATE TO TRAFFIC OR ROAD IMPROVEMENTS DOING ANSWER JEFF ACKERMAN IS HERE OUR CIVIL ENGINEER AND THEN RICHARD SWARTZ IS ON THE ZOOM CALL.

HE'S GOING TO JOIN US IN. HE'S GOING TO TALK ABOUT SOME BACKGROUND OF THE PROJECT AND THEN THAT DIALOG HAD WITH THE NEIGHBORS. SO HE WANTS HE'S GOING TO FILL IN SOME GAPS ARE MAKE SURE THAT ALL THAT INFORMATION IS CONVEYED THERE AND LASTLY WALTER NESTER OUR LAND USE ATTORNEYS HERE BEING TAUGHT DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT QUESTIONS COME TO HIM SO HE'S BEST TO ANSWER THOSE. ROB, CAN WE PUT THE SKETCH MASTER UP? I THINK IT MAY EASIEST TO TALK TO THAT AND WHY PROPS FOR THAT WITH THE STAFF COMMENTS THINK THERE WERE 16 WE'VE REVIEWED AND WE'RE FINE WITH ALL THOSE WE STARTED LOOKING AT ADDRESSING THOSE SO OUR CLIENT AND WE HAVE NO CONCERN ABOUT THOSE THERE WERE TWO OR THREE ROB THAT WERE NEW THAT I THINK I'M GOOD WITH I JUST JUST COMING RIGHT OFF THE CUFF FOR ME AT SOME POINT IF WE CAN JUST RETOUCH ON THOSE JUST TO MAKE SURE BUT I THINK THEY SOUNDED FINE BUT THOSE ARE NEW SO I JUST WANT TO HEAR THOSE AGAIN THIS PLAN HERE I THOUGHT IS EASIER TO TALK TO BECAUSE IT SHOWS THE UPPER LEFT HAND CORNER. YOU CAN SEE HOW THAT'S NO LONGER PURPLE AND THAT'S THE AREA THAT THE SCHOOL WOULD BE SWAPPING FOR PERSONAL WHICH IS KIND OF MIDDLE AGE.

THIS PLAN SHOWS THAT PRETTY CLEARLY I BELIEVE THE SCHOOL HAD A LETTER OF SUPPORT THAT THEY ALSO SENT SO THAT CAME ALONG WITH SOME LETTERS FROM THE RESIDENTS.

I'M GOING TO LET RICHARD TALK ABOUT THOSE BECAUSE HE'S HE KNOWS ALL THE DETAILS ON THAT.

SO CAN SPEAK TO WHERE THAT IS AND THE DIALOG HE'S BEEN HAVING THE PLAN AND THIS IS THE VILLAGE THE VILLAGE PLACE OVERLAY AND WHEN WE LOOK AT IT FROM A STANDPOINT THAT'S WHAT WE ARE. IT ISN'T JUST THE LAND WE'RE LOOKING AT THE ADJACENT LANDS TO IT SO YOU HAVE RESIDENTIAL AROUND IT SO THAT WILL ALSO BE PART OF THIS BECAUSE.

I THINK THE INTENT OF THIS IS NOT TO JUST SPOT A COUPLE PIECES, IT'S TO LOOK AT THE BIGGER AREA AND I THINK THAT'S WHY THOSE NODES IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN ARE THAT WAY AND THAT'S WHY WE HAVE SOME TEA AND THEN SOME LESSER RESIDENTIAL.

WE'D HAVE THAT CIVIC SPACE AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO HAVE MIXED USE AREAS.

SO THAT'S OUR TAKE ON HOW THE ON HOW THESE OVERLAY DISTRICTS WORK AND LOOK AND WHEN YOU GET THIS OVERLAY THIS VILLAGE PLACE TYPE OVERLAY YOU ALSO GET THAT REGULATING PLAN.

WHAT THAT DOES IS THAT SETS SOME PARAMETERS FOR HOW SITE WILL BE DEVELOPED AS WE'RE STARTING TO HIT ON THE ROADWAYS IT WILL IDENTIFY THE ONES THAT IN THE COMMERCIAL AREAS THEY'RE TO HAVE ANGLED PARKING AND THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE SIDEWALKS AND IT'S GOING TO BE A COMPLETE STREET THERE SO YOU'RE HAVE THAT AND THEN THE NEXT TIER DOWN WHERE YOU'RE A LITTLE BIT MORE RESIDENTIAL YOU'LL HAVE ON STREET AND SIDEWALKS AND THIS IS ALL GOING THROUGH THE THOROUGHFARE PLAN THE STREETSCAPE SECTIONS THE TOWN IDENTIFIES ARE THE COUNTY EXCUSE ME AND WE'VE IDENTIFIED THAT THE REGULATING PLAN WHICH SECTION APPLIES TO WHICH AREA SO IT'S A TIERED ROAD SECTION AND THAT'S IN IT'S IN THE INTERIOR BLOCK WHERE YOU SEE WE STARTED TO HIT IT OUT OF THE BUILDINGS WORK SO WE HAVE THOSE ROAD SECTIONS THAT WAY AND THEY'RE CREATING BLOCKS IN AS ROB WAS TALKING ABOUT WE HAVE A FEW MINOR TWEAKS JUST TO GET TO THE STANDARDS WERE REAL CLOSE BUT THE OTHER ADVANTAGE OF THAT BLOCK SYSTEM IS YOU HAVE VEHICULAR START MOVEMENTS EVERY 600 FEET 800 FEET OF THE AREA THAT'S TRAFFIC CALMING.

THAT'S MUCH BETTER THAN OTHER WAYS TO TRAFFIC. THAT ALSO IS THE RIGHT PLACE FOR PEDESTRIANS TO CROSS. SO WHEN YOU LAY OUT THESE THIS VILLAGE PLACE TYPE WITH THE THOROUGHFARES IN THE BLOCK NETWORK YOU GET A GRID STREET THAT'S GOING TO SLOW DOWN

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SO THAT'S PART OF THE IS WHEN YOU LOOK AT THIS AND YOU LOOK AT SOME OF THE CRITERIA FOR WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR, WE WANT TO PROMOTE DEVELOPMENT PATTERNS THAT ARE SAFE AND EFFECTIVE AND MULTIMODAL AND I THINK WHEN YOU START TO LAY IT OUT THIS WAY YOU GET THAT YOU GET A I CAN RIDE A BICYCLE THE PARKING THE THE PARKING ARE THE BIG PARKING AREAS WOULD BE BEHIND THE BUILDINGS WITH SOME ON THE STREET BUT THE SIDEWALKS AREN'T CUT BY DRIVEWAYS HAPPENING EVERY SO OFTEN THEY ARE SAFE FOR SIDEWALKS SO YOU HAVE MULTIPLE WAYS THAT YOU CAN GET AROUND IN THESE NEIGHBORHOODS YOU WANT A VARIETY OF HOUSING TYPES AND THAT IS WHAT YOU WOULD GET IN THIS AREA IS YOU WOULD GET A VARIETY FROM SOME OF THE ADJACENT NEIGHBORHOODS TO SOME SOME WOULD HAPPEN ON THESE PROPERTIES.

YOU'RE GOING TO GET A VARIETY OF HOUSING TYPES. HOUSING TYPES EXCUSE ME YOU WANT FOCAL AREAS IN AND IN THIS YOU KNOW WE'RE GOING TO HAVE PARK SPACES AND YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE CIVIC SPACES. YOU HAVE THE SCHOOLS AND WE ARE GOING TO HAVE AN AREA THAT WILL HAVE MORE OF A MIXED USE. SO WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS OF LOCAL AREAS.

SO WHEN WE STARTED TO LOOK THROUGH WHAT'S THE ADVANTAGES OR WHAT ARE THE CRITERIA FOR THAT VILLAGE PLACE TYPE, WE THINK THAT WE'RE HITTING MOST OF THESE FROM PLANNING STANDPOINT THERE'S MANY MORE BUT WHEN WE START LOOK THROUGH WE'RE CHECKING THE BOXES ON THESE. SO IN ALL THAT'S IN THE COMMUNITY OUT OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AS FAR AS HOW THAT WORKS THE ON THIS PLAN THE WE'RE WE'RE A LITTLE LOOKING AT MORE DENSITY AND MORE OF THE MIXED USE WOULD BE ADJACENT TO 170 AND THEN AS YOU GET A LITTLE FURTHER BACK TOWARDS THE SCHOOL SIDE THAT'S WHERE THE RESIDENTIAL DENSITY THAT'S WHERE IT WOULD BE MORE RESIDENT SO THAT'S THAT'S WHERE WE'RE SHOWN THE SKETCH.

SO YOU GET AN IDEA OF HOW IT WORKS AND IT IT JUST ISN'T THAT REGULATING PLAN THAT YOU SAW ON THE SLIDE BEFORE A COUPLE OF OTHER WE'VE DONE ON THIS PLAN THERE IS A 75 FOOT BUFFER ON THE SOUTHERN SIDE OF PARCEL B AND I KNOW THAT HAS BEEN THE 75 FEET.

IT'S BEEN SOME DIALOG AND DISCUSSION BETWEEN THE NEIGHBORS AND RICHARD'S THOUGHTS TO MAKE THAT BUFFER BIGGER THERE BECAUSE THERE'S SOME EXISTING HOMES IN THAT AREA. SO THAT BUFFER HAS INCREASED AND THERE'S AND WE OCR IN BUFFER THAT RUNS FROM THERE ALL THE WAY DOWN THAT SOUTHERN PROPERTY LINE AS WELL AND I THINK WE CAN IF YOU'RE FINE IF WE WANT TO HOLD QUESTIONS UNTIL ON OUR TEAM IS DISCUSSED AND THEN WE CAN KIND OF BREAK THEM UP AND SO TRAFFIC DYLAN CAN ANSWER IF IT'S A LAND USE ARE THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT THAT WOULD BE WALTER OR IF IT'S PLANNING THAT WOULD BE ME OKAY SO I'D LIKE TO DO IT THAT WAY AND AT THIS TIME IF WE CAN GET IS RICHARD ON THE ZOOM STILL I AM OKAY GO AHEAD AND THE HANDED OVER RICHARD SPORTS OWNER AND LET HIM GIVE SOME BACKGROUND ON THE PROJECT AND AND ALSO TALK ABOUT DIALOG AND COMMUNICATION HE'S HAD WITH ADJACENT NEIGHBORHOODS THANK YOU COMMISSIONERS THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND I APOLOGIZE I'M NOT THERE IN PERSON I AM A IT'S IMPORTANT TO KNOW THAT NOT AN OUT OF TOWN DEVELOPER I'VE BEEN AROUND HERE INVOLVED HOUSING DEVELOPMENT AND IN SINCE 96 I LIVE IN ROSE HILL PLANTATION I'M IN UNINCORPORATED COUNTY SO I'M CLOSE TO THE PROPERTY AND I CARE WHAT HAPPENS.

AT ONE POINT I WAS PARTLY THROUGH DIFFERENT COMPANIES RESPONSIBLE FOR MOST OF THE HOUSING BUILT IN THE IN THE SOUTHERN BEAUFORT COUNTY SO I'M EXPERIENCED AS THE NEW ELMO HAS COME OUT AND IDENTIFIED THE VILLAGES OF WHERE BEAUFORT ON THE LONG RANGE PLANNING WANTS TO DO BUSINESS THAT ONE OF THOSE VILLAGE CIRCLES ARE IDENTIFIED RIGHT WHERE WE ARE AS COMMISSIONERS ANY POINTED OUT THE ALAMO HAS BEEN AROUND BUT IT'S KIND OF A NEW THING

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THE CHERRY POINT RESIDENTS, THE SCHOOL DISTRICT IN THEIR STRATEGIC VISION AND GREATER RESIDENTS IN THE REGIONAL AREA THERE THERE IS THE SHOPPING DESERT IN THAT AND THERE AND RESIDENTS ARE BEING BUILT ON THE EAST RIVER BED MAILING BLOCK RIVER OAKS CHERRY POINT ARE BUILDING NEW HOME RESIDENTS ORIGIN EAST DOWN THE ROAD THERE THERE IS A REGIONAL NEED FOR QUALITY COMMUNITY ON THAT SIDE OF THE HIGHWAY WE'RE FORTUNATE THAT THERE'S A TRAFFIC LIGHT BUT THERE ARE SOME PROBLEMS IN THAT AREA AND IN BY COMING WITH THE RESIDENTS AND THE STAKEHOLDERS WE'RE ENOUGH TO PROVIDE SOLUTIONS IF WE ALL COME TOGETHER AND APPROVE PLAN AND THOSE SOLUTIONS FOR FOR THIS IS IS IMPROVING CHERRY POINT ROAD THE COUNTY STARTED DESIGNING IT BUT THERE'S NO WAY TO PAY FOR IT WELL WHEN DEVELOPERS COME IN THERE'S A WAY TO PAY FOR IT. THOSE IMPROVEMENTS WILL TAKE AWAY OF THE MOST CHALLENGING ISSUES THAT ARE WHEN THE SCHOOL LETS OUT AND WHEN THE SCHOOL GET ON THE DROP THEM WE WILL BE WE WILL BE HELPING THE THE SCHOOL DISTRICT WITH THEIR STRATEGIC VISION AND BALANCE THEY THINK THIS IS A GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO PUT A POTENTIAL MIDDLE SCHOOL AND AND THAT REALLY WAS AN INTRIGUING TO THEM THEY COULD NOT USE THE LAND NOT 170 IT WASN'T LARGE ENOUGH FOR THEIR NEEDS AND BY HAVING A RELATIONSHIP WITH THEM FROM OTHER PROJECTS IT WAS GREAT THAT WE CAN COME TOGETHER ON THIS PROVIDING COMMERCIAL SERVICES IN THAT AREA IS SOMETHING THAT IS IS VERY NEEDED. I'M NOT SURE HOW MANY OF THE COMMISSIONERS HAVE GONE IN THAT AREA RECENT LEAVE BUT NOW THAT MAILING BLOCK IS FILLED WITH PEOPLE RIVER OAKS IS STARTING TO HAVE HOUSES IN THERE. THERE ARE GOLF CARTS, BICYCLISTS, PEOPLE WALKING THERE EVERYWHERE AND WE'RE TRYING TO PROVIDE THEM A DESTINATION THAT'S ON THAT SIDE OF THE HIGHWAY THAT THEY CAN EASILY ACCESS THROUGH A WALKABLE COMMUNITY AND IN THE CURRENT PLACE OVERLAY IS EXACTLY WHAT IS SO IT WAS VERY EXCITING TO KIND OF SEE ALL THESE VISIONS COME TOGETHER FOR THAT WE'RE ALSO PROVIDING SOLUTIONS OF INTERNAL TRAFFIC FLOW THINGS THAT DON'T GO OUT ON TO 170 BUT STAY WITHIN WHICH IN TURN WILL ATTRACT OTHER FAMILIES AS WE APPROVE IF WE'RE LUCKY ENOUGH TO GET THIS COMMERCIAL VILLAGE ON PARCEL A THAT MOST OF THE FOCUS HAS BEEN PARCEL A AND B THROUGH MOST OF THE DISCUSSIONS WITH OF THE STAKEHOLDERS HERE BECAUSE OF THE THE TRAFFIC AND THE SCHOOL THAT'S MOST OF THE THINGS WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO TO SELL THERE AND SO BY HAVING AN INTERNAL TRAFFIC SYSTEM THE OUT PARCEL BETWEEN D AND CHERRY POINT WE HAVE A COMMITMENT THAT THE THAT THE PARCEL IF WE APPROVE THIS ZONING YOU WILL COME IN AND COMMIT THE ROADWAY TO COMPLETE THE FRONTAGE ROAD THAT WE'RE TRYING TO THAT WE WILL PUT IN OUR ZONING POINTS OF CONTACT BUT HE'LL COMPLETE IT IF HE COMES THROUGH SO WE HAVE MANY ACCESS POINTS AND PEOPLE FAMILIES THAT COULD POTENTIALLY HAVE THE KIDS GOING TO SCHOOL, GO TO RESTAURANTS, GO TO AFTERSCHOOL PROGRAMS, GO THE DRY CLEANERS, THE DENTIST E DE EAT AT THE RESTAURANT.

I ALREADY SAID THAT ALL WITHIN WALKABLE VILLAGE WHICH IS WHICH IS VERY NICE TO ACCOMPLISH THIS

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THEY WANTED A MAX OF THE PARCEL A AND B QUALIFY ON T FOR THREE FOR 430 RESIDENTIAL UNITS WE AGREED A CAP OF 258 UNITS ON THOSE PARCELS. THEY ALSO DESIRED THERE'D BE NO RESIDENTIAL HOUSING. I AGREED IT THERE WILL BE 258 APARTMENTS AND SO WE AGREED ON MANY CONCEPTS THAT WE WANT TO PUT A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT TO LOCK DOWN AND MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY IS SECURE HOLDING HANDS, MOVING FORWARD TOGETHER. SO THIS IS TRULY A COMMUNITY APPROACH. THAT'S ALL I HAVE. I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME.

I'LL BE HERE FOR QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. AND THE QUESTIONS THIS IS WORTH IT EVEN TO WAIT UNTIL WE HAVE OH WAIT WE'RE GOING TO WAIT TILL WE FINISH DO MORE THE HOUSING WHAT SOME OF THE CIRCUIT PUT UP BUT INTRODUCE MYSELF FIRST DAWN TURNER WHAT CAN WE LEARN AND DID THE TIE FOR THE PREVIOUS STUDY THAT CAME BEFORE Y'ALL AND WE WORKING ON THIS AS WELL SO TO FIRST TOUCH ON WHAT RICHARD WAS TALKING ABOUT THIS IS WHAT THE COUNTY'S CURRENTLY WORKING ON. WE'VE GOT SOME PRELIMINARY PLANS AND THEY'RE GOING TO REVIEW WITH THEIR STAFF BUT YOU CAN SEE ON THIS PLAN YOU HAVE THE LEFT TURN LANE INTO TREE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL THAT IS NOT THERE TODAY. SO WHEN YOU GATHER IN THE MORNING OR AT SCHOOL DISMISSAL THOSE ARE THE CARS BACK UP ON CHERRY POINT ROAD AND START CREEPING BACK TOWARDS 170. AND SO AS PART OF THIS PLAN WE'RE CREATING AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THOSE CARS TO QUEUE ON CHERRY POINT WITHIN TO TURN AND SO IT GETS THEM OFF OF THE MAINLINE ROAD, KEEPS THEM AWAY FROM 1/17. SO THAT'S PART OF THAT PLAN WE'RE ALSO PROVIDING SIGNIFICANT STORAGE FOR THAT OUTBOUND MOVEMENTS OF CHERRY POINT ON 170 PROVIDING A LOT MORE STORAGE THERE. SO THAT WAS AN APPLICATION FROM OUR PREVIOUS TRAFFIC STUDY WOULD ALSO BE APPLICABLE TO THIS STUDY AS WELL AS WE GO FORWARD WITH THOSE NUMBERS. SO WITH WHAT KEVIN HIT ON EARLIER, WHAT WE'VE DONE SO FAR WITH THIS IS WE'VE IDENTIFIED WITH THIS NEW DEVELOPMENT WE'RE ADDING NEW PARCEL D1 I BELIEVE IS WHAT IS ON THE PLAN. WE'VE SEEN AN INCREASE IN THE TRIP SO BEFORE GET ANY APPROVALS FROM DOTTIE OR ANYTHING WE'RE GOING UPDATE THAT THE PREVIOUS TRAFFIC STUDY WE HAD BECAUSE THIS MORE TRIPS INFRASTRUCTURE WE HAD PLANNED IN THE PREVIOUS TRAFFIC STUDY WILL BE APPLICABLE AND WE'VE GOT TO CHECK DO WE NEED DO WE NEED MORE SO THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'LL DO AS WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS NEW TIME WHEN YOU GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE.

SO THIS STARTS BUILDING THE STORY OF HOW DOES THIS PLAN OPERATE WITH THE FUTURE 170 CORRIDOR PLANS THAT COUNTY IS CURRENTLY ADOPTING SO? THE DESIGN WILL BE SUCH AND CONSTRUCTED SUCH THAT WE CAN TRANSITION FROM THE PRE 170 IMPROVEMENTS TO POST SO THIS IS THE BEGINNING OF WE WOULD DO WE WOULD TAKE AWAY THE LEFT TURN FROM CHERRY POINT ON 170 BECAUSE THAT'S PART OF THAT PLAN AND THEN THE NEXT SLIDE OUR NEXT ONE IS THE FULL SO WE'D HAVE THE DUAL RIGHTS HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF MEDIAN IT COULD BE ADDITIONAL STACKING WE'D

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SO WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT HERE IS PRETTY MUCH A STICK FIGURE OF WHAT THE LANES TODAY AND THEN YOU GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE WE START BUILDING THE STORY. OKAY HERE'S WHAT MAINLAND BLUFF AND THEIR TRAFFIC AND THEY HAD TO DO SO THAT'S THE PURPLE ARROWS THE NEXT ONE OKATIE VILLAGE I THINK IS NOW CALLED RIVER OAKS I BELIEVE IS WHAT THEY'VE GOT TO DO WITH THEIR TRAFFIC STUDY. YOU'LL SEE THE ORANGE ARROWS SO THE DUAL LAUGHS AND THE THROUGH CHERRY POINT TOWARDS PEARLSTEIN NEXT SLIDE IS THE SPEEDWAY SO THAT'S THE GAS STATION I DON'T THAT HAS BEEN CONSTRUCTED YET BUT THIS IS ALL STUFF WE HAD TO CONSIDER WHEN WE DID THE PREVIOUS OF THE TIRE YOU'LL SEE THE SEPARATION OF THE LEFT AND THROUGH RIGHT ON.

PEARLSTEIN SO THAT'S A NEW LANE THERE AND THEN FINALLY IF YOU GO HERE WE'RE ADDING THE NEW LANE EDGE ON CHERRY POINT WHICH CREATES THAT ADDITIONAL THREE LANE WE TALKED ABOUT WHICH WOULD DROP OFF AT OAKWOOD ELEMENTARY SCHOOL WE WOULD A NEW TRAFFIC SIGNAL AT RIVERWALK BOULEVARD WHICH D.O.T. APPROVED IN THE PREVIOUS ITERATION. SO YOU HAVE THAT NEW TRAFFIC SIGNAL THE ACCESS STREET B WAS ON HERE WHICH IS A RIGHT IN RIGHT OUT WOULD HAVE A DECELERATION LANE BUT THIS DID NOT INCLUDE THE NEW PARCEL PARCEL DO YOU WANT D ONE HAS A RIGHT AND RIGHT OUT AS WELL BETWEEN CHERRY POINT MIDLAND BLUFF THAT WOULD HAVE TO HAVE A RIGHT TURN DO SO WELL AND THEN WE'D HAVE TO LOOK AT MARLIN BLUFF IN THOSE OPERATIONS.

IS THERE ANYTHING ADDITIONAL THAT'S NEEDED IN THIS SHORT TERM BETWEEN NOW AND WHEN THE 170 PLAN IMPLEMENTS THAT WE WOULD NEED TO DO D.O.T. WOULD REQUIRE TO DO THAT.

ONE OF THE THINGS TOO THAT THIS ALLOWS IS WITH THE NEW SIGNAL RIVERWALK IS THAT MORE CONNECTIVITY FOR RESIDENTS IF IT CHERRY POINT IS BACKED UP YOU NOW HAVE THE ABILITY TO GO THROUGH THE DEVELOPMENT TO GO TO THE NEW SIGNAL AS A NEW NEW WAY AND ROUTE TO GO THROUGH THE DEVELOPMENT WELL TO HELP WITH THAT TRAFFIC SIGNAL TIMING THERE AND ANOTHER THING TO IS IS WITH THIS WE SAW IN THIS CONCEPT PLANS WHAT WE'RE DOING IT IS IN LINE WITH THAT ULTIMATE 170 CORRIDOR STUDY SO WHAT WE'RE DOING CAN BE TRANSLATED INTO THAT BUT I HAVE TO SAY TO THE IF YOU GO BACK TO THE LAST ONE SORRY SEE THIS IS THE LAST SLIDE ON THIS SLIDE FIVE BUT I DON'T KNOW IF IT IS SO BUT I DO WANT TO SAY IS WITH THOSE RED ARROWS THIS THIS SLIDE HERE THIS HAS GOT TO BE CONFIRMED WITH THE NEW TIE. SO AS WE GO FORWARD WITH THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT WITH YOU SO I'M NOT GOING TO SIT HERE AND SAY THAT THIS IS THE ULTIMATE THIS IS WHAT IT WILL BE. THERE MIGHT BE MORE BECAUSE WE HAVE MORE TRIPS AND WE HAVE ANOTHER ACCESS POINT. SO I KNOW FOR SURE THE RIGHT IN RIGHT OUT BETWEEN CHERRY POINT MIDLAND BLUFF WILL HAVE A DECENT LANE AND IT'LL LOOK JUST LIKE STATE STREET B IN THIS DIAGRAM AND THEY WOULD HAVE TO GO BEFORE COUNTY AND NCDOT AS WELL AND THAT'S GOING TO OFFER TRAFFIC BEFORE. WE DO ALL THE QUESTIONS, EVERYTHING I KNOW WE WERE GOING TO WAIT UNTIL THE END OF COURSE BUT SINCE YOU HAD THE SLIDE UP THAT'S GOING TO ADD AN ADDITIONAL FOUR LIGHTS ALONG 170.

RIGHT IT'S GOING TO DO WANT TO ADD AN ADDITIONAL FOUR LIGHTS OR THREE OUT.

NO, IT'S ONE IT'S ONE VIEW FOR IT'S ONE NEW LIGHT. SO WITH OUR DEVELOPMENT SO THE ONLY THE ONLY NEW LIGHT WOULD BE A RIVER WALK TIDE WATCH ALREADY HAS A SIGNAL AND THEN PRITCHARD POINT HAS THE PLANNED SIGNAL WITH MAINLAND BLUFF THAT WAS IN THEIR TRAFFIC STUDY SO THIS IS ONLY ONE NEW LIGHT. THANK YOU. GOOD EVENING.

MR. CHAIRMAN, MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION MY NAME IS WALTER NESTOR AND I'M WITH THE LOCAL OFFICES OF BERNARD FORMAN LAW FIRM AND AS ON THE LAND USE ATTORNEY ON THIS AGREEMENTS ARE

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SO THE WHAT GETS APPROVED IN A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT IS WHAT IS WHAT WILL REMAIN AND CANNOT BE CHANGED FOR THE TERM OF THE DEVELOPMENT LESS CERTAIN STANDARDS STANDARDS ARE MET SO IT'S A VERY PLANNING TOOL. IT ENHANCES THE ABILITY TO PLAN DEVELOPMENT SUCH AS SUCH AS THIS AND TO AGAIN CONFIRM FOR THE FOR THE MUNICIPALITY WHAT A DEVELOPER IS GOING TO DO AND WHEN IT'S GOING TO BE DONE. THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT CAN ALSO BE USED AS A TOOL TO ADDRESS CONCERNS OF LANDOWNERS . AS MR. SCHWARTZ SAID, HE'S MET WITH THE LOCAL OWNERS. THEY'VE THEY'VE ALERTED HIM TO HIS THEIR AND THOSE ARE THE TYPES OF CONCERNS THAT CAN BE SET FORTH AND ADDRESSED IN DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.

MR. MERCHANT ALSO IDENTIFIED SOME AREAS THAT HE BELIEVED THAT SHOULD BE SET FORTH IN A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT AND WE BELIEVE THAT THOSE THINGS ARE SOMETHING THAT COULD BE PLACED THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT THERE WERE SOME QUESTIONS MR. MCMILLAN YOU HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT TIMING. RIGHT. SO A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT APPROVED LIKE AN ORDINANCE AND WHEN IT'S APPROVED WHEN IT'S FINAL APPROVAL IT'S GONE THROUGH A NUMBER OF MEETINGS RIGHT WITH YOUR LAND USE COMMITTEE WITH MEMBERS OF COUNCIL MEMBERS STAFF AND IDENTIFY THOSE THINGS THAT ARE GOING TO BE IN THE FINAL VERSION THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT AND BECAUSE IT IS SOMEWHAT CONTINGENT UPON THE ZONING APPROVAL THEY GET APPROVED AT THE SAME TIME AND THAT'S THE REASON WHY BECAUSE YOU CAN'T EXPECT THE LANDOWNER OR THE DEVELOPER NOR CAN WE EXPECT THE COUNTY TO AGREE TO DEVELOPMENT UNLESS IT'S BEING APPROVED AT THE SAME TIME AND SO THEY'RE KIND OF CONDITIONED UPON EACH OTHER AND THEY'RE DONE AT THE SAME TIME. MR. POPE, AS YOU INDICATED THAT CAN YOU PUT CONDITIONS ON THE COMMISSION'S APPROVAL? YOU CERTAINLY CAN DO THAT OBVIOUSLY. BUT WE WOULD WE ASK THAT YOU BE CAREFUL ABOUT THOSE CONDITIONS BECAUSE WE HAVE A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT PARTIES. WE'VE GOT CERTAINLY HAVE THE THE ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS BUT WE HAVE THE COUNTY SCHOOL DISTRICT AND THE AND THE CURRENT LANDOWNERS. MR. SCHWARTZ DOESN'T OWN THE PROPERTY YET SO WE DON'T IF WE HAVE A IF WE HAVE A CONDITION GETS IMPOSED BY BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT'S AGREED TO BY A THIRD PARTY. WE'D HAVE TO COME BACK TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION, DO THIS ALL OVER AGAIN. WE'D ASK THAT THE CONDITIONS THAT ARE THAT ARE AT ISSUE WE'RE CERTAINLY WILLING TO TO HEAR WHAT THOSE CONDITIONS ARE.

BUT STAFF HAS IDENTIFIED CONDITIONS MR. SCHWARTZ HAS IDENTIFIED CONDITIONS.

I EXPECT THAT YOU'LL HEAR FROM OTHER OTHER REQUESTS FOR CONDITIONS AS WELL BUT AGAIN MY REQUEST IS TO LET'S BE CAREFUL ABOUT THAT BECAUSE IF WE IMPOSE YOUR APPROVAL ON SOME CONDITION THAT WE DON'T KNOW IF EVERYBODY HERE AGREES TO WE HAVE TO START ALL OVER AGAIN.

OKAY. AND WITH THAT I'M GLAD TO ANSWER ANY ANY QUESTIONS THE COMMISSIONERS MAY HAVE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

OKAY. SO OUR OPPORTUNITY HERE FOR ROUND TWO QUESTIONS AND THE PRESENTERS ON YOUR QUESTIONS WHO WOULD LIKE TO START I I GUESS THIS IS A GENERAL QUESTION WHICH WE THE REFERENDUM IN NOVEMBER HOW MUCH OF YOUR THINKING AND PLANNING AND PARTICULARLY THE 170 IMPROVEMENTS ARE ARE ARE BASED ON THAT REFERENDUM PASSING NUMBER ONE TO MY UNDERSTANDING THERE'S NOBODY HERE FROM SCHOOL BOARD OR THE SCHOOL ADMINISTRATION HERE. SO IF THE DOESN'T PASS IS THE SCHOOL COMMITTEE STILL COMMITTED TO DOING THE LAND SWAP FOR THE AND HOW IMPORTANT IS THE LAND SWAP TO THIS PROPOSAL? IT'S A GREAT QUESTION SO TONY, INTRODUCE MYSELF AGAIN.

SURE. OKAY. SO DON'T TURN ANYTHING WE LEARN. SO AS FAR AS THE REFERENDUM GOES SO WHAT OUR TRAFFIC STUDY PREVIOUSLY HAD AND WE'LL HAVE TO HAVE IN THIS NEXT ITERATION IS A CASE OF WHAT THE ROAD LOOKS LIKE WITHOUT THE REFERENDUM AND WITH SO IT'LL BE DYNAMIC TO SHOW BOTH CASES SO I MEAN IF IT DOESN'T PASS IT'S STILL GOING TO BE A PLAN OUT THERE THAT WOULD COME UP AGAIN

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YOU HAVEN'T DONE THAT YET. YOU'RE WAITING TILL POST NOVEMBER POST REFERENDUM TO SEE WHAT IS FOR AS FAR AS THE TRAFFIC STUDY WE'RE JUST GETTING READY FOR THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT AS PART THAT BUT PREVIOUSLY WE HAD IT THAT WAY AS WELL WHERE WE HAD BOTH SCENARIOS IN THERE MADE IT A LITTLE BIT MORE CONFUSING WITH PEOPLE NOT IN THE THE TRAFFIC WORLD BUT IT PRESENT IN THAT SO IT'S NOT NECESSARILY WAITING UNTIL THE REFERENDUM.

GREAT. THANKS. I MEAN ONE OF MY GREATER CONCERNS IS THAT THERE ARE SO MANY ASSUMPTIONS THAT THE DEVELOPER AND WE'VE EVEN HEARD FROM THE NEIGHBORS AND SO ON WE'RE DEALING WITH SO MANY ASSUMPTIONS.

WE AS I MEAN ME MAYBE MY COLLEAGUES ARE A TON BRIGHTER THAN I AM BUT YOU KNOW MY HEAD IS SPINNING BY HOW MANY ASSUMPTIONS THAT WE HAVE TO CONSIDER AS WE GO FORWARD.

SO UNDERSTOOD THAT WAS ONE PIECE OF IT AND NO ONE CAN PREDICT THE REFERENDUM RIGHT AROUND THREE DAYS AGO MR. MCMILLAN I JUST WALTER NESTER AGAIN WANTED TO SPEAK TO YOUR COMMENT OR QUESTION ABOUT THE SCHOOL DISTRICT. OF COURSE WE'RE NOT HERE ON BEHALF OF THE SCHOOL DISTRICT BUT THERE'S NO CONDITION ON LAND SWAP ON THE AGREEMENT RELATIVE TO THE LAND SWAP THERE'S NO CONDITION IT DOESN'T THE SALES TAX REFERENDUM.

OKAY. SO BUT I THINK MY COLLEAGUE ASKED WHETHER OR NOT IN YEARS TO COME WHETHER THERE COULD BE A CHANGE THAT THE SCHOOL DISTRICT MIGHT KNOW, YOU KNOW, REFER BACK AND AND HAVE AN AGREEMENT TO DEVELOP THERE AND NOT HAVE A SCHOOL THERE.

AND THAT'S UNCLEAR TO ME. THANK YOU. AND I AND I DID HEAR MR. ROSS'S QUESTION AND AND THAT'S AGAIN SOMETHING THAT GETS PLACED IN THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT BECAUSE THE SCHOOL DISTRICT THE OWNER OF THAT WOULD BE THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY THEY'RE A PARTICIPANT AND AND SIGN SIGNER RIGHT OF THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.

SO THAT WOULD BE A COMMITMENT THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE MADE BY THE SCHOOL DISTRICT AND THAT'S CONTEMPLATED BY MR. SCHWARTZ AND AS I UNDERSTAND IT BASED ON HIS DISCUSSIONS WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT. GREAT. YOU.

YES JOHN, I HAD A FEW QUESTIONS REGARDING THE ZONING MAP AMENDMENT DOCUMENT THAT WAS SUBMITTED AND PREPARED BY WITMER JONES AND KEEFER. I'LL LET YOU ALL DECIDE WHO THE BEST PERSON TO ANSWER IS. I WALKED THROUGH THESE AND I APOLOGIZE SOME OF THESE ARE GOING TO SOUND A LITTLE NITPICKY BUT I WOULD FOR MY PURPOSE I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE IN TERMS OF WHAT WE'RE DEALING WITH HERE.

THE FIRST JUST HAD TO DO UNDER SECTION FOUR OF THE REGULATING PLAN VILLAGE PLACE TYPE OVERLAY IT MAKES REFERENCE TO OKATIE BLUFF WHICH I ASSUME MUST HAVE BEEN AN EARLIER NAME FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT RATHER THAN OKATIE . YES I WOULD ASSUME THAT'S A TYPO AND THEN IT ALSO TALKED ABOUT THE TRANSACTIONS BEING INCLUDED TEA FOR NEIGHBORHOOD CENTER AND TEA FOR HAMLET CENTER IN ADDITION TO THE 83 NEIGHBORHOOD.

BUT I'M ASSUMING IS NO. THREE HAMLET CENTER TRANSIT ZONE BEING PROPOSED? IT'S 83 AND YES SO IT'S TWO THAT'S BEING PROPOSED RIGHT NOW.

SO OKAY SO THE PLAN SHOULD REFLECT THAT BUT WE'LL GET THE TAX UP TO MAKE SURE IT MATCHES UP UNDER EXHIBIT B NATURAL RESOURCE PLAN. THERE'S A WETLAND D THAT'S NOTED ON THE PLAN TO BE MITIGATED BUT THEN THE WETLAND ALSO HAS A 20 FOOT BUFFER.

I'M ASSUMING THAT WETLANDS GOING AWAY ALTOGETHER BY THE PHRASE MITIGATED YOU'RE YOU'RE LOOKING AT D YES SIR YEAH THE WETLAND D WE ARE GOING TO MITIGATE FOR AND THE REASON IT APPEARS AND WE TOOK A LOOK AT IT IT'S OLD BAR A BIT SO IT'S NOT WONDERFUL WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING OUR YOU CAN SEE ALL THE GREEN DOTS ALL AROUND IT WHERE WE HAVE REALLY NICE LIVE OAKS THAT ARE 24 INCHES AND GREATER. WE WANT TO PRESERVE SOME OF THAT LAND MITIGATE FOR THE WETLANDS SO WE'RE LOOKING AT DOING THAT TO SAVE THE REALLY NICE LIVE OAK CANOPIES AND THAT WETLAND WHICH IS OF IT WOULD BE SOMETHING WE WANT TO MITIGATE FOR SO THAT THE INTENT AND BY MITIGATE YOU'RE JUST THAT WETLAND WON'T EXIST ANYMORE YOU'LL BE DOING SOMETHING YEAH WE'D HAVE TO GET A PERMIT TO DO THAT BUT YES THAT WOULD BE THE INTENT IS TO COUNTERBALANCE IT BY SAVING PRESERVING SOME OTHER NATURAL RESOURCE AREAS AREAS.

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THREE ON THE REGULATING PLAN SAYS BUILDINGS AND PARKING LOCATIONS ARE SHOWN FOR REPRESENTATION PURPOSES. I THINK THAT'S I THINK IT'S FINE TO HAVE THAT YOU NEED ANOTHER BUILDING BUT YOU'RE REGULATION PLAN DOESN'T HAVE ANY BUILDINGS OR PARKING SHOWN IN IT DOES AND SO WE CAN REMOVE THAT NOTE AND JUST PUT IT ON THE SKETCH PLAN.

THAT'S WHAT WE DO. OKAY. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE.

I WAS DEALING WITH APPLES AND APPLE. I SEE WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT . LET'S SEE THE PEDESTRIAN SHOWED SHOWN ON THE REGULATING PLAN.

I COULDN'T QUITE UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT SECOND PEDESTRIAN SHADE WAS TRYING TO INDICATE.

IT WASN'T CLEAR WHERE THE FIVE MINUTE WALK WAS SUPPOSED TO BE COMING FROM.

THERE'S A FIVE MINUTE WALK FROM NUMBER SEVEN WHICH IS THE PARK AND THEN THERE'S A FIVE MINUTE WALK THAT WOULD BE COMING OUT OF THE NUMBER TWO WHICH IS MORE OF THE VILLAGE PARK UP FRONT.

SO THERE'S TWO PEDESTRIANS. THE FIRST ONE MADE SENSE BECAUSE IT LOOKED LIKE IT WAS COMING FROM YOUR KIND OF AREA. THAT WAS WHAT WAS CONFUSING. AND THEN THE OTHER ONES COME COMING FROM LIKE THE THERE'S A PARK AT NUMBER SEVEN IF YOU LOOKED AT THE SKETCH PLAN SO IT'S COMING FROM THAT BUT WE CAN MAKE THAT A LITTLE BIT EASIER TO FOLLOW AS WE WHEN WE MAKE SOME OF THESE WELL AND PART OF THE REASON WAS ASKING PARTICULARLY WITH THE ADDITION OF PERSONAL D IT SEEMS LIKE REALLY DEALING WITH KIND OF A LINEAR PEDESTRIAN SHOULD BECAUSE YOU'RE ANTICIPATING TRYING TO MAKE THAT CONNECTION WITH THE RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT ON THE OTHER SIDE OF CHERRY POINT AND YES AND NO BUT I THINK ONE OF THE COUNTY COMMENTS WAS THAT TO LOOK A THIRD PEDESTRIAN SHARED IN THAT AREA I THINK THAT WAS A 416 REFERENCE. OKAY. YEAH.

SO THAT'S A COMMENT WE HAVE TO ADDRESS FROM THE GET ON TO THAT WAS ANSWERED SORRY OKAY THE OTHER QUESTIONS I HAD HAD TO DO WITH THE TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS AS WELL I DO AND JUMP UP IN ANSWER THOSE FOR YOU AND I APOLOGIZE I KNOW JUST ENOUGH TRAFFIC TO BE DANGEROUS SO I'M

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IS THAT THAT'S A CORRECT ASSUMPTION? YEP.

AND THEN THE LAST QUESTION I HAD WAS THE THE NEW SIGNAL THAT'S BEING PROPOSED AT RIVERWALK. AT RIVERWALK DOES SOUTH CAROLINA DOT IN TERMS OF THEIR WARRANTS IT'S LIKE MOST DOT'S THAT I'VE WORKED WITH UNFORTUNATELY IT'S LIKE IT UNTIL YOU'VE BUILT IT AND THE THE ACCIDENT START HAPPENING THAT'S IT IT'S WE COULD LOOK AT SOMEWHERE IN THE COUNTY TO PROVE THAT IT AT ALL FEEL RIGHT THAT'S THOUGHT THAT WAS THE CASE IT'S IT'S WE HAVE TO BUILD AND HAVE THE VOLUME IN MOST CASES THERE ARE A FEW EXCEPTIONS SO I CAN'T SAY THIS WON'T BE ONE BUT IN MOST CASES VOLUME HAS TO BE THERE BEFORE YOU CAN CONSTRUCT THE TRAFFIC SIGNAL THAT IT COULD THANK YOU HAVEN'T THOUGHT THIS QUESTION UP THOROUGHLY BUT THIS ONE JUST SPECIFICALLY SAID THEY DIDN'T WANT A TRAFFIC THEY JUST WEREN'T ABLE TO PROVIDE ME WITH NUMBERS TO PUT INTO THE MEMO BECAUSE THEY AGREED TO THE LAND SWAP TO BEGIN WITH. I CANNOT SPEAK FOR THEM FOR THAT.

I DON'T KNOW THAT ANSWER SO. THE ONLY THING THAT I CAN SAY IS WHEN WE WENT THROUGH THE INITIAL DISCUSSIONS WE SAT OVER HERE WITH SCHOOL DISTRICT ACTUALLY I'VE CALLED INTO THAT ONE AND ASKED ABOUT THAT AND THEY'RE LIKE ONE IT RIGHT NOW IT'S BEING THROWN OUT AS A MIDDLE SCHOOL BUT THAT WASN'T EVEN A DEFINITE AT THAT TIME AND THEY DIDN'T HAVE A TIMELINE ON AND SO I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S FIVE YEARS FROM NOW TEN YEARS FROM NOW I'D HAVE TO HAVE THEM TO TO SPEAK TO THAT. SO I JUST I DON'T I DON'T AN ANSWER FOR THAT BUT ANYTHING ELSE FOR TRAFFIC FROM ANYONE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR YOU GENTLEMEN.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU THANK YOU.

I THINK WE'RE READY FOR PUBLIC COMMENT SO I'VE GOT A NUMBER HERE.

I'M GOING TO JUST CALL YOUR NAME AND LET'S SAY AS YOU COME UP AND REDUCE YOURSELF AND BE AWARE A THREE MINUTE CLOCK. CHRIS, WOULD YOU TURN THE CLOCK ON PLEASE THE FIRST NAME I HAVE HERE IS I APOLOGIZE IF I CAN'T READ WRITING BUT I'M GOING TO TRY TO NICKNAME MAXI.

THERE'S A NICKI RIGHT? THANK YOU. I'M NICKI MAXI.

I LIVE IN BLUFFTON SOUTH. I OWN A COMPANY CHRISTIE'S INTERNATIONAL REAL ESTATE AND I'M JUST HERE ON BEHALF OF THE PROJECT I'M EXTREMELY IMPRESSED WITH MR. SCHWARTZ'S PLAN.

I THINK IT'S VERY MUCH NEEDED OUR AGENTS GET PEOPLE ALL THE TIME LOOKING FOR HOUSING.

WE HAVE NO REAL GOOD HOUSING, NO AFFORDABLE HOUSING FOR PEOPLE IN THE RENTALS AND OUR INVENTORY IS TERRIBLE. SO I THINK THE PROJECT IS IT CHECKS A LOT OF BOXES.

I THINK THAT DEVELOPMENT IS REALLY COOL WE CAN GOLF CART IN DOWNTOWN INTO THE LITTLE AREA I THINK IT MIGHT BE ANOTHER LIKE ANOTHER LITTLE BLUFFTON SO I THINK IT'S AWESOME.

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BIG AS JIM REPORTED AND FORTUNATE TO LIVE IN THE OUTDOOR AREA WITH MY WIFE AND BE A YOUNG PROFESSIONAL WORKING HERE IN BLUFFTON AND NICKY HITTING ON THAT BUT THIS PROJECT CAN REALLY BE YOU KNOW THAT SAME SORT OF DEVELOPMENT NEW RIVERSIDE OR OLD TOWN BLUFFTON AND FOR YOUNG PEOPLE WORKING WE CAN'T AFFORD TO GET IN GATED COMMUNITIES AND HAVE THAT COMMUNITY THAT WORK LIFE BALANCE AND SO I THINK THAT'S A GREAT OPPORTUNITY AND I HOPE YOU OFFERED THANK YOU. THANK YOU. COME WITH ME HERE.

DEREK STETLER SKINNER HELLO MY NAME IS DEREK STUTTER. MY FAMILY AND I LIVE AT 169 CHERRY POINT ROAD. I SPOKE HERE ABOUT A YEAR AGO WHEN WE WENT THROUGH THE PREVIOUS ITERATION I GOT FOUR BEFORE ITEMS AND I'LL SPEAK QUICKLY YOU KNOW 3 MINUTES ONE THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT PUBLIC IS VERY IMPORTANT WITH THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.

MY ONLY CONCERN IS WHEN IT COMES TO THAT POINT GET 3 MINUTES AND ONLY FIVE PEOPLE CAN SPEAK. SO I DON'T KNOW IT'S JUST TO ME THAT'S THAT'S NOT PUBLIC INPUT NUMBER TWO DENSITY IT'S TOO HIGH WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING WAY TOO HIGH FOR THIS AREA THEY'RE PROPOSING IF MY MATH IS CORRECT 959 ACRES THEY WANT ROUGHLY 380 TO HOUSING UNITS LIVING UNITS THAT'S TOO HIGH FOR THIS AREA. I'M ALSO CONCERNED ABOUT THE TRAFFIC ANALYSIS.

I'M NOT SURE IF THEY INCLUDED THE BUILD OUT AT RIVER OAKS WHEN THEY DID THIS TRAFFIC ANALYSIS. THAT WHOLE AREA IS GOING TO BE I THINK ABOUT TWO THIRDS OF IT IS STILL NOT EVEN STARTED. SO THAT TRAFFIC IS GOING TO BE ADDING TO THIS PROPOSED TRAFFIC WHICH I HOPE DOESN'T PASS NUMBER THREE ACTUALLY TRAFFIC WAS THREE ON NUMBER FOUR IS THE REZONING CRITERIA. NUMBER EIGHT ON THE REZONING CRITERIA I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO SAY THAT I DISAGREE WITH THE FOUR COUNTIES PLANNING DEPARTMENT THE NUMBER EIGHT SAYS WILL NOT RESULT IN ADVERSE IMPACTS ON THE NATURAL ENVIRONMENT INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO WATER AIR NOISE STORMWATER MANAGEMENT, WILDLIFE, VEGETATION, WETLANDS AND NATURAL FUNCTIONING OF THE ENVIRONMENT. HOW IS CUTTING DOWN 30, 40, 50 ACRES OF TREES REMOVING WETLANDS NOT ADVERSELY AFFECTING THE ENVIRONMENT WE CANNOT HARVEST IN OUR BACKYARDS BECAUSE THE WATER QUALITY SO POOR.

WHY IS IT SO POOR BECAUSE OF OVERDEVELOPMENT I UNDERSTAND DEVELOPMENT IS GOING TO HAPPEN IT'S GOT TO BE RESPONSIBLE AND I DON'T THINK THIS IS RESPONSIBLE AT ALL.

SO I URGE YOU NOT TO PASS THIS PROPOSAL. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU. PEACH SHRIMP. YES, THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TO SPEAK. MY WIFE AND I LIVED ON 170 YEAR OFF OF 170 FOR 24 YEARS.

SO WE'VE SEEN THE EFFECTS OF TRAFFIC AND GROWTH PERSONALLY WE WERE 22 YEARS PLUS IN RIVERBEND AND WE TO MAINLAND BLUFF FOR A VARIETY OF REASONS WE'VE BEEN THERE OVER A YEAR NOW AND I'M HERE TO TELL YOU THAT PERSONALLY THE IMPACT HAS BEEN IN NEGATIVE MANNERS AND I'LL GIVE YOU SOME EXAMPLES WE CAME HERE WITH THE IDEA THAT WE WANTED TO BE PART OF A COMMUNITY AND IT WAS IMPORTANT FOR US TO VOLUNTEER OUR TIME AND OUR TALENTS IN THAT AREA MY WIFE AND I ARE BOTH OUR ARTISTS AND SO AND I ALSO HAVE A STRONG INTEREST IN NATURE SO I WENT TO CLEMSON A DEGREE IN NATURAL SCIENCE SO I COULD BE PART OF THE ACTIVITIES OF TEACHING PEOPLE AT THE COASTAL DISCOVERY MUSEUM ABOUT THE NATURAL ENVIRONMENT.

I SPENT COUNTLESS HOURS OUT ON THE BEACH IN THE MUSKIE AND OTHER ISLANDS EDUCATING THE PUBLIC AS ARTISTS. WE WERE HEAVILY INVOLVED IN THE ART LEAGUE IN HILTON HEAD AND IN THE SOBA SOCIETY OF BLUFFTON ARTISTS IN BLUFFTON AS WELL AS WE'RE MASTER DOCENTS AT THE

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THANK YOU, MR. FELICE. TARA GARCIA. GARCIA GOOD EVENING.

FELICE LAMARCA WE MY HUSBAND AND I ON 149 CHERRY POINT AND THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR SERVICE YOUR WORK THIS IS NOT EASY BEAUFORT COUNTY WAS HERE A YEAR AGO AND I AM TODAY.

I'LL BE VERY WITH YOU. OUR NEIGHBORHOOD IS SPLIT. WE CAME TOGETHER AND MET WITH RICHARD SCHWARTZ AND WE WELCOMED HIM AND WE APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT HE HAS MADE US A PART OF THIS DEVELOPMENT. WE HAVE MANY CAUTIONS. WE HAVE MANY DOUBTS.

THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT HAS GOT TO WORK WITH US THERE NOT ONE THING IN YOUR PROPOSAL TO THE COMMISSION THAT RICHARD TALKED ABOUT THAT WERE OUR CONDITIONS TO SUPPORT IT.

SO THANK YOU, MR. PAPPAS FOR URGING STAFF AND EVERYONE TO WORK ON WHAT IS VERY SERIOUS TO US IN KEEPING OUR SUPPORT AND WORKING TOGETHER AND MAKING THIS WORK FOR.

EVERYONE, WHY DID WE CHOOSE TO WORK WITH MR. SCHWARTZ AS MUCH AS I'D TO SAY, RICHARD, IT WAS YOUR PERSONALITY. IT IS WE KNOW THIS COUNTY DOES NOTHING BUT ZONE.

THAT'S WHAT IT'S ALL BEEN ABOUT FOR 29 YEARS THAT I'VE LIVED HERE AND I'VE SAID THIS MANY TIMES I DO NOT KNOW WHO'S GETTING WHAT WHO'S MAKING MONEY IT ISN'T ME BUT IT'S KILLING ME SO THAT'S MY PERSONAL OPINION. I WILL STICK TO THAT BUT I WILL WORK VERY HARD WITH SCHWARTZ TO MAKE SOMETHING QUALITY AND GOOD HAPPEN BECAUSE I ONLY COUNSEL IS GOING TO UP AND MAKE THIS HAPPEN. MARK MY WORDS THANK YOU THANK YOU SCOTT DANIEL GOOD EVENING.

EVENING. THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR TIME. I REALLY APPRECIATE THE WAY YOU ALL HANDLED THIS LAST YEAR AND THE WAY YOU'RE HANDLING THIS YEAR YOUR ATTENTIVENESS IS NOT LOST ON US I'M A CHERRY POINT RESIDENT AND WE HAVE BEEN SPEAKING TO RICHARD.

ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS I WANTED TO SAY IS IF YOU GO TO THEIR NUMBER ONE IT SAYS IS CONSISTENT WITH THE WITH AND FURTHERS THE GOALS AND POLICIES OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND PURPOSE OF THIS DEVELOPMENT CODE . SO COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS FAIRLY

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THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN STATES THE FUTURE LAND USE OF THESE PROPERTIES IS TO BE RURAL.

THAT'S WHAT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN SAYS IT IS TO BE RURAL IS ALSO EXPRESSED AS FOR THE OPTION TO CREATE A VILLAGE TYPE SO THAT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN STATES SUPPOSED TO STAY RURAL AND HERE WE ARE AGAIN ONE YEAR LATER FIGHTING THE SAME FIGHT UNTIL TWO DAYS AGO WE DID I DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT LAND SWAP. I DIDN'T KNOW THAT THERE WERE GOING TO BE THESE PROPOSED BUSINESSES AND HOUSES UP THERE ACROSS FROM CHERRY POINT IT'S KIND OF LIKE TO ME A SHELL GAME WE'RE GOING TO WHICH WHICH SHOW IS THE OVERDEVELOPMENT GOING TO BE ON IS IT GOING TO BE BY YOUR HOUSE? IS IT GOING TO BE BY THIS HOUSE? IS IT GOING TO BE OVER HERE? WE JUST FLIP IT AND WE'RE FLOP AND WE'RE STILL LOOKING TO OVER DEVELOP EVERYTHING THE COUNTY'S PRESENTATION HE SAYS THAT HE BELIEVED IT WAS SUITABLE FOR SCHOOL USE. WE'D LIKE A GUARANTEE THAT THIS SWAP IS SUITABLE FOR SCHOOL USE AND THAT THE SCHOOL WILL BE A MIDDLE SCHOOL OR LOWER BECAUSE THE LAST THING WE WANT IS A HIGH SCHOOL WITH A HIGH SCHOOL FOOTBALL GAME RIGHT ACROSS FROM OUR HOUSE WE HAVE THE SAME CONCERNS OVER ALL OF A SUDDEN IT GETS CONVERTED BY THE SCHOOL DISTRICT.

WE CAN'T BUILD WHAT WE THOUGHT WE WERE GOING TO BUILD. HERE YOU GO HAVE IT BACK.

BUILD WHATEVER YOU WANT TO BUILD. SO THAT'S ONE OF OUR CONCERNS AND WE HAVE HAD EARNEST DISCUSSIONS WITH RICHARD. ONE OF MY CONCERNS THOUGH IN AN EMAIL HE SENT TO US WE WERE ASKING WHERE THE GUARANTEES WERE THAT WE WERE SEEKING AND HE SAID AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE HE'S TALKING ABOUT GIVING US HIS WORD.

HE SAID IT'S NOT MY WORD THAT COUNTS. THIS IS A DIRECT QUOTE FROM HIS EMAIL. IT'S WHAT I'VE TO THAT WILL BE IN DEVELOPING THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT IF YOU CAN'T SUPPORT ME THEN I SHOULD NOT PUT ANY RESTRICTIONS OR CAPS ON DENSITY THE AGREEMENT WE DO IT TOGETHER OR WE DON'T SO KIND OF I'M SORRY BUT DON'T QUOTE ME IN THE EYE MOVEMENT FOR THE DEFENSE NOT $0.01 FOR TRIBUTE SO NOT GOING TO BASE MY SUPPORT BECAUSE YOU'RE THREATENING PULL YOUR AGREEMENTS FROM US IF WE DON'T THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THANK YOU I REALLY THAT FOR NOW I THINK WAS IN THE TIME IS ANYBODY HERE THE ONE WAY BACK? YEAH. PLEASE COME UP. DON'T THINK SO.

I DID THIS PLACE HERE AND OBVIOUSLY NO, I APPRECIATE THAT.

THANK YOU. MY NAME IS JOSHUA HOWARD ACTUALLY LIVE IN MAINLAND BLUFF AS WELL. I REALLY APPRECIATE EVERYBODY COMING OUT HERE TONIGHT.

I APPRECIATE THE COMMISSION TAKING A MOMENT TO LISTEN TO US AS RESIDENTS IN THIS IMMEDIATE AREA. WE SEVERAL CONCERNS WHEN IT COMES TO OBSERVING AND WE ARE A LITTLE BIT SPLIT I HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH MY COMMUNITY I'VE ACTUALLY SUBMITTED THE CONDITIONAL LETTER OF RECOMMENDATION TO THE COMMISSION FOR THIS MEETING AND I JUST WANT TO GO AHEAD KIND OF ITERATE THAT A LITTLE BIT. I THINK THERE IS A NEED FOR COMMERCIAL SPACE IN THIS AREA. I REALLY LIKE THE CONCEPT OF A RESTAURANT DENNY'S A DOCTOR'S OFFICE, A HABERSHAM KIND OF FEEL DRIVE DOWN THERE, GET SOMETHING TO EAT, GO DO SOME STUFF AND OPEN SPACE AND THEN I REALLY LIKE THE IDEA OF HAVING MIDDLE SCHOOL OR LOWER SOME KIND OF CIVIC BUILDING OR CIVIC USE THAT CAN ALL TAKE ADVANTAGE OF AND I THINK THAT'S A GREAT IDEA FOR THIS LOCATION CONCERNS ME OUTSIDE OF WHAT WE BROUGHT TO THE COUNTY COUNCIL AND TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION LAST YEAR WHEN HAD THE SAME DISCUSSION IN THESE ZONES AROUND US IS NOT ONLY DO WE HAVE INFRASTRUCTURE CONSTRAINTS, NOT ONLY ARE THERE TAX ISSUES THAT ARE GOING TO COME OUT OF INCREASING THE APARTMENTS, INCREASING THE RESIDENTS MOVING TO THE AREA INTO THE COUNTY SPECIFICALLY IS THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT AND WE'VE HEARD A LITTLE BIT BACK AND FORTH ON WELL WHEN DO YOU HAVE THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT? WHEN DOES IT GET CODIFIED? WHEN IT GET ATTACHED TO THE ZONING? I FIND IT A LITTLE DISAPPOINTING THAT THIS MATERIAL WASN'T PRESENTED TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION. I FIND IT A LITTLE DISAPPOINTING THAT WE HAVE A LOT ASSUMPTIONS THAT ARE MADE IN THE PACKAGE AND WHAT WAS PRESENTED WHAT IS SUBMITTED TO MAKE YOUR DECISION AS ADEQUATELY AS POSSIBLE. I BELIEVE YOU NEED ALL THE INFORMATION AND ALL THE AGREEMENTS AND ALL THE DISCUSSIONS ARE HAPPENING BETWEEN THE DIFFERENT INTERESTED PARTIES TO HAVE A GOOD SENSE OF WHAT'S GOING ON, WHAT WE NEED TO DO TO COMMIT TO TO MAKE THIS WORK FOR EVERYONE. AND I JUST WANTED TO TAKE A QUICK SECOND TO REITERATE ON THE RECORD THE THE LETTER I DO THINK THAT IF THE COMMITMENTS ARE MADE FROM THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT THAT WE WERE PROMISED I DO SEE SOME INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS FOR THE EXPANDED EXITS ONTO THE TRAFFIC. I DO SEE THE INSTITUTE

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THERE ARE SOME ECOLOGICAL CONSIDERATIONS I FIND THAT GOOD.

I ALSO AGREE WITH THE COMMENT THAT IF YOU'RE GOING TO CUT OUT WETLANDS AND THAT PUT A LITTLE BIT OF WETLANDS BACK IT'S NOT REALLY ECOLOGICAL PRESERVATION WALKABILITY GREAT UNFORTUNATELY MALE BLUFFS NOT WITHIN THAT PEDESTRIAN SHED SO WE DON'T REALLY GET THE BENEFIT OF THE WALKABILITY. I'M STILL GOING TO DRIVE MY CAR DOWN TO ENJOY ENTITIES NICE FACILITIES THAT WILL BE IMPLEMENTED AND THEN WITH THE LAST COUPLE OF SECONDS I WANTED TO JUMP INTO THE TRAFFIC STUDY. THIS IS THE FIRST TIME I HAD HEARD THAT THIS WAS GOING TO BE A RIGHT ALL WE'RE AT A CHERRY POINT AND THAT WAS KIND OF WHAT WE WERE LOOKING AT.

I FIND THAT EXTREMELY DISAPPOINTING EXTREMELY CONCERNING BECAUSE THE 170 OUR COMMUNITY SPECIFICALLY NEEDS THE ABILITY TO TAKE A SAFE LEFT TURN.

SO I WOULD ASK THAT THAT IS SOMETHING THAT'S CONSIDERED WHEN GET TO THE NEXT LEVEL IF YOU DO SUPPORT THIS MOVING FORWARD THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU AND ALL THE PUBLIC COMMENTS THAT I HAVE, MR. MERCHANT OR YOU WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A COMMENT BEFORE WE BRING THIS UP NOW.

ALL RIGHT. WELL THEN IF THERE ARE NO FURTHER QUESTIONS AND ANYBODY BRING THIS UP TO THE IS IN DISCUSSION I HAVE A QUESTION THAT I MIGHT BE TO ROB YOU MR. POWERS WHO IS YEAH MR. HOWER. SO THIS YOUR LETTER I RECEIVED THIS EVENING BUT IT'S DATED SEPTEMBER ONE AND FROM MATURITY POINT NEIGHBORHOOD AND I REMEMBER MS. LAMARCA FROM LAST YEAR AND SEVERAL FOLKS THERE NEXT DATED SEPTEMBER TWO I GOT THESE TONIGHT LIKE AT THE BEGINNING OF THE MEETING SO I GUESS I'D LIKE TO KNOW DID YOU SEND THEM TO THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT? DID THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT YOU MENTIONED THAT THEY DIDN'T INCLUDE THEM I'M JUST CONFUSED IF THAT COULD BE CLARIFIED EITHER BY YOU KNOW MR. OR YOU THAT WOULD BE GREAT. THANK YES JUST SORT OF GOING THAT WAS PROVIDED TO RICHARD SCHWARTZ AND HE DID CONFIRM THAT HE HAD SENT THEM IN. WE DO HAVE A COMMUNICATION EMAIL FROM HIM CLARIFYING TODAY THAT THOSE WERE ADMITTED. I BELIEVE THE REASON WAS THEY JUST WEREN'T RELEVANT TO THE GENERAL DISCUSSION THEY WERE COMMITTED THEY WERE SUBMITTED AND THAT MR. SCHWARTZ AND HE SAID THAT HE OFFERED ME AN EMAIL CONFIRMING FROM A KIMBERLY I BELIEVE I DON'T KNOW THE LAST NAME THAT THEY WERE THEY WERE IN FACT OMITTED BUT HE DID PROVIDE THEM TO THE COUNTY STAFF I BELIEVE THANK YOU.

I MEAN I BRING IT UP. I'M NOT CASTING BLAME BUT THESE TWO LETTERS IN TERMS OF PUBLIC INPUT AND THIS GROUP HAS BEEN KNOWN A YEAR AGO FOR GIVING TERRIFIC PUBLIC INPUT AND CONSIDERED PUBLIC INPUT AND THEY'VE ALSO CLEARLY WITH THE PROPOSED OWNER I THINK HE'S UNDER CONTRACT FOR THIS PROPERTY SO I THINK THAT'S GREAT AND MR. NESTER SAID EVERYONE IT REALLY WORKING TOGETHER SO THAT IS A VERY GREAT THING.

SO I JUST PUZZLED WHY TONIGHT THAT WE'VE SEEN OF THESE CONDITIONS.

YEAH THAT'S MY POINT AND AND TO ADD TO THAT IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO MAKE SNAP DECISIONS IT'S HIGHLY DIFFICULT. I MEAN IT'S REALLY UNFAIR US REALLY FOR SURE.

IT'S UP TO YOU GUYS. SORRY MR. PAPPAS, I JUST HOPE YOU KNOW THAT I'M RUNNING THE MEETING. I'M SORRY IF THAT'S WHEN WE RECEIVED THE AGENDA WHICH IT WAS AVAILABLE. I THINK I WAS ABLE TO PULL IT UP OCTOBER 1ST OR SECOND AND YOU KNOW, THE DAUNTING SIZE OF IT I THROUGH IT QUICKLY TO BEGIN WITH AND SAW THE LETTER FROM THE SCHOOL WHICH DOESN'T MENTION A MIDDLE SCHOOL EXCUSE ME AND THEN THERE WERE NO LETTERS FROM MR. AND MYSELF WHICH YOU SEE THE DATES THOSE ARE THE DATES GOT THEM TO MR. SCHWARTZ BY HIS REQUEST SEVERAL EMAILS BACK AND FORTH WITH MR. SCHWARTZ WHY ARE YOU NOT SUBMITTING OUR LETTERS AND HE ACTUALLY SAID I THOUGHT YOU AND JOSH PULLED THEM AND I SAID WHY WOULD WE DO THAT? AND THEN HE GOT TO US AND SAID THAT AND I THINK THE PERSON'S NAME WAS ROB HAD SAID SHE DID SUBMIT THEM TO YOU SEPARATELY. ALL RIGHT.

WE DON'T KNOW WHY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU.

OKAY. SO I DID RECEIVE THAT WITH THE APPLICATION I JUST DID NOT PUT IT IN THE STAFF REPORT BECAUSE IT IS CORRESPONDENCE FROM THE PUBLIC.

THAT'S WHY IT WAS SENT TODAY AND IT NOT INCLUDED IN THIS STAFF REPORT.

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MAY I SAY SOMETHING? WHO'S SPEAKING? CHAIRMAN SORRY.

YES, MR. GEORGE BACK PLEASE. THANK YOU. ARE A LOT OF THE ANGST THAT HAS COME OUT OF THIS IS WE HAVE COME DOWN THE ROAD I IT WAS JUST MENTIONED AN EMAIL THAT I HAD WITH THE CUSTOMER WITH THE LANDOWNER A LOT OF THIS IS BEEN KIND OF LIKE ABOUT THE PROCESS AND THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT. I WAS UNABLE TO GIVE MY COMMITMENT IN ANY WORD FORMAT EXCEPT THE EMAILS AND THEN THE GUCCI ATIONS WITH THE PROPERTY OWNERS DUE TO THE THEY SAID THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT GOES ALONG TO THE VOTE AND AS YOU KNOW THIS THESE GROUPS ARE ARE APPREHENSIVE FROM WHAT HAS HAPPENED BEFORE AND SO MY HANDS WERE TIED AND BELIEVE WE ALL GOT SIDEWAYS ABOUT IT WITH WITH NO SOLUTION ON THE ON THE THIRD MEETING I ACTUALLY ASKED TOM DAVIS TO COME AND OBSERVE THE MEETING AND HE GAVE HIS HE SAID HE WOULD REVIEW THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT FOR THE PROPERTY OWNERS MAKE SURE THAT THE COMMITMENTS I'M MAKING WOULD FLOW THROUGH. I ONLY BRING THIS IS BECAUSE THERE WILL BE OTHER TIMES THAT THERE WILL BE REZONINGS AND YOU HAVE A VERY TOUGH JOB AND YOU DON'T HAVE ALL THE FACTS AS AS IT WAS BROUGHT UP BUT I PROMISE LANDOWNERS AND THE STAKEHOLDERS THAT WE'RE GOING TO DO THIS TOGETHER. BUT I DIDN'T HAVE ANY FORMAT IN WHICH I CAN IN WRITING GIVE TO THEM AS PART OF THE PROCESS. IT'S JUST A PROCESS COMMENT THAT CAUSED US ALL A LOT OF HEARTBURN THAT WE PROBABLY DIDN'T NEED TO HAVE. WE WERE ALL REALLY THAT WE HAD THE DENSITY WE AGREED THE RESTRICTIONS, WE AGREED ON THE BUFFERS AND WE WERE ALL COMFORTABLE ABOUT WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO AND AND UNFORTUNATELY YOU DON'T KNOW UNTIL NOW WHAT WE PROMISED EACH OTHER TO MAKE THIS HAPPEN AND THIS IS A COMMUNITY WE'RE NOT WE'RE NOT DOING THIS IN A VACUUM. WE'RE DOING THIS HOLDING HANDS AND SO IT MIGHT BE SOMETHING THAT IS SUGGESTED TO BE PART OF THE PROCESS ON ON FUTURE THAT IS THERE A LIST OF CONDITIONS? IS THERE A LIST OF AGREEMENTS BETWEEN PARTIES WHICH HAVE SOMETHING TO ADD TO IT? SIR THANK YOU.

IT'S GOOD. I CAN I ASK MR. SCHWARTZ A QUESTION IS THIS SOMETHING THAT YOU NORMALLY DO WHEN YOU'RE BUYING ENVELOPING PROPERTIES AS YOU SPEAK WITH AN ELECTORATE AND ELECTED OFFICIAL BEHIND CLOSED DOORS TO FIGURE THE RIGHT WAY TO GO BEFORE YOU PRESENT IT TO THE LOCAL RESIDENTS WHICH ELECTED OFFICIALS BEHIND CLOSED DOORS WITH SENATOR DAVIS, IS THAT CORRECT? HE WAS INTERESTED BECAUSE THIS IS A HIGH PROFILE PROPERTY WITHIN HIS DISTRICT. HE WAS NOT THERE ON MY BEHALF.

YEAH. AND HE MADE THAT CLEAR TO THE RESIDENTS.

OKAY. NO, HE WAS THERE IN SUPPORT. ALL RIGHT.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, SENATOR. THANK US ALL VERY WELL.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU. I'M SORRY IF I MISLED YOU IN ANY WAY ON THAT THOSE COMMENTS, SIR. THANK YOU. THERE WAS NO FURTHER BEFORE WE GO INTO A MOTION AND FURTHER DISCUSSION I WOULD LIKE TO ASK HAVE A DIALOG JUST A QUICK ONE KRISTEN CAN YOU PULL UP THE FINAL REDUCED CONFLICT PLAN FOR CHERRY POINT THAT I THINK WAS SHOWN DURING MR. TURNER'S PRESENTATION? IT'S THE ONE THAT SHOWS THE IMPROVEMENTS TO CHERRY OVERLAID ON AN AERIAL IMAGE ONLY THAT SO IS THIS BECAUSE IT WAS SOMETHING MR. HOWARD SAID THAT I DIDN'T PICK UP ON SINCE THE FINAL PLAN FOR CHERRY POINT

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IF I'M REMEMBERING I'M PRETTY SURE IT IS SOME OF THEM ALONG THE CORRIDOR ARE NOT SIGNALIZED I BELIEVE THIS ONE IS SIGNALIZED AND IT WOULD HAVE A BIG ENOUGH U-TURN RADIUS FOR BUSSES YOU KNOW IS PART OF THAT JUST TO REDUCE THE NUMBER OF IT'S FOR PHASING YOU'VE GOT IT YOU DON'T IT IN THE U-TURN ISSUE YOU'RE NOT A TRAFFIC ENGINEER IS THIS QUESTION IS THIS ONE WHEN THERE'S SIX LINES WHICH MEANS IT'S A SIX LANE IT SIX LANE YET SO THIS IS LIKE 510 YEARS OUT YEAH WE DON'T WE DON'T KNOW IT'S A SIX LANE STRUCTURE IT'S GOING TO TAKE HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS OF THAT. THAT'S RIGHT YEAH.

GET PROJECT WE HAVE WE HAVE A STUDY CURRENTLY UNDERWAY BY ONE OF THOSE CAN YOU SPEAK UP A BIT. WE HAVE A STUDY CURRENTLY UNDERWAY BY ONE OF OUR CONSULTANTS THEY'VE BEEN WORKING ON IT VERY, VERY HARD. THEY'VE BEEN TAKING A LOOK WHAT'S BEEN GOING ON IN THE IN THE AREA RESPECT TO PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT NOT ONLY ON BEAUFORT COUNTY SIDE BUT ON ALREADY BUILDS THAT TOO. SO WE KNOW THAT IT'S HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF OTHER TRIPS THAT ARE PROPOSED TO BE GENERATED IF THE DEVELOPMENTS ARE BUILT OUT. YOU TALK ABOUT ASSUMPTIONS SO THE WHOLE TRAFFIC WHAT WE CALL THE TRANSPORTATION MODELING THAT WE DO IT'S ALL OFF ASSUMPTIONS.

IT TURNS OUT THAT POOR EXCUSE ME ORIGIN AND DESTINATION TRIPS IN DEVELOPMENT THAT APPROVED SO YES SO WHEN WE LOOK AT 2035 SO RIGHT NOW WE'RE IN 2024 SO THEY THEY AECOM STUDY IS THEY BELIEVE THEY'RE GOING TO EITHER 2035 OR 2045 SO AS YOU WELL KNOW WITHOUT ANY DEVELOPMENT THERE'S SOMETHING JUST CALLED JUST IT'S CALLED ANNUAL GROWTH .

LIKE IF NO DEVELOPMENTS WERE TO HAPPEN THE TRAFFIC WOULDN'T NECESSARILY GROW AND GENERALLY BASED ON PERCENTAGES BECAUSE IN 1990 IT WAS JUST TOO MUCH TRAFFIC IN 2000 IT WAS AS MUCH TRAFFIC IN 2010 AS THIS MUCH THANKS TO IT. SO BASED OFF THE CURRENT TREND EVEN CERTAIN DEVELOPMENTS DON'T HAPPEN. TRAFFIC IS GOING TO GROW AND THAT IS INCLUDED IN THEIR TRAFFIC IMPACTS. THEY HAVE NO ABILITY TO WAIT AND WHERE TRAFFIC IS ALREADY ACCUMULATED WITHOUT A DEVELOPMENT AND THEN THIS TRAFFIC ON TOP OF THAT FOR SURE. OKAY.

WHAT IT WOULD BE LIKE IF THE DEVELOPMENT WERE TO SO WE HIRED A AECOM TO TAKE A LOOK AT OUR CORRIDOR AND IT'S A PLAN THAT IS BEING LOOKED AT BY MULTIPLE STAKEHOLDERS INCLUDING AS THE D.O.T. IS THE NCDOT ROAD AND BASED ON THE THAT IS BEING PROJECTED OUR WILL PROPOSE WHAT YOU SEE THERE SO YOU KNOW WE ARE HOPEFUL THAT IF WAS IMPLEMENTED THEN IN TERMS OF THE COMMUTING FROM NORTHERN BEAUFORT COUNTY TO SOUTHERN BEAUFORT COUNTY AND TRAFFIC COMING FROM HILTON HEAD AND TRAFFIC COMING FROM HARTSVILLE ALL OF THESE CARS USING THIS THIS THIS CORRIDOR ONCE IT'S WIDENED TO THREE LANES THAT EITHER DIRECTION THE THE STUDY WILL SHOW THAT IF WE USE THIS PARTICULAR SCENARIO THE FLOW ON TRAFFIC WILL BE BENEFICIAL TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC GIVEN YOU KNOW OUR SEASONAL OUR SEASONABLE OUR SEASONAL CHANGES YOU KNOW WITH, OUR TOURISM AND ALSO GIVEN OUR COMMUTER AND M PEAKS.

SO YOU KNOW WHEN YOU WHEN YOU LIMIT THE LEFT TURNS YOU REDUCE SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF TURNING CONFLICTS SO IT'S SAFER FOR TRAFFIC COURSE BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE THE 90 DEGREE CRASHES THAT COULD HAPPEN BUT WITH RESPECT TO THE FLOW OF TRAFFIC AND THE TIMES THAT WAIT AT A LIGHT THIS PARTICULAR SCENARIO IS BETTER FOR THE GENERAL TRAFFIC IN GENERAL EXCUSE THE U-TURN IS BETTER THAN BEING ABLE TO TURN LEFT RIGHT RIGHT DOWN THE ROAD AND TURN AROUND RIGHT. SO I MEAN TRADITIONALLY SPEAKING WE ARE USED TO WHAT A TRAFFIC LIGHT BEFORE YOU SEE IN A ROUNDABOUT IN THE UNITED STATES HAD LOTS OF ROUNDABOUTS

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COMMENTS UP HERE. LET'S SEE IF WE KEEP THAT UP. SO I GUESS THE CONCERN THAT I HAVE IS THE RIGHT IN THE RIGHT THIS DOESN'T IF I CORRECTLY DOES NOT TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION THE SCHOOL IF THE SCHOOL EVER GOES IN IF THE SCHOOL GOES AND THEN YOU NEED ANOTHER TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDY ANOTHER MILLIONS OF DOLLARS TO IMPROVE THIS INFRASTRUCTURE AND BEING A LIFELONG DRIVER I DON'T FIND ANY SAFETY IN NOT BEING ABLE TO TAKE A LEFT AT A LIGHT GOING UP THE ROAD 100 FEET AND TRYING TO CROSS OVER TWO LANES TO TAKE A LEFT INTO TWO OTHER LANES OF TRAFFIC. I DON'T SEE THE SAFETY THAT AT ALL.

I SEE THAT CAUSING MORE ACCESS TO BE HONEST WITH YOU. THAT'S AN OPINION.

THERE'S JUST I'VE JUST GOT A COUPLE OF COMMENTS THAT I'VE READ THROUGH THIS A COUPLE OF TIMES AND A I REALLY WANT TO SEE THE VILLAGE TYPE OVERLAYS TAKE PLACE.

I REALLY THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THE RIGHT AREAS AND IN THE RIGHT TIMES IT'S STILL JUST A VERY CONGESTED AREA. DON'T CARE HOW MANY THINGS WE THROW AT THIS I CAN'T SEE IT GETTING BETTER. THERE'S JUST NOT A MAGIC WAND THAT'S GOING TO GET BECAUSE OF A STUDY THAT'S GOING TO BE DONE ON ASSUMPTIONS AND LOOKING BACK HISTORICALLY TRY AND LOOK FORWARD MAYBE I'M JUST VERY NARROW MINDED AND I GUESS I AM OVERALL I THINK THERE'S STILL TOO MANY OPEN ENDED VARIABLES TO THE PRESENTATIONS THAT WERE MADE TONIGHT.

I THINK THERE WERE THINGS THAT WERE ADMITTED EITHER WILLFULLY OR NEGLIGENTLY I DON'T KNOW BUT I JUST DON'T FEEL THAT IF COMMON SENSE WERE TO PLAY IN THIS AND THE VISION TO LIMIT THE GROWTH IN THIS AREA, I THINK WE JUST NEED TO HAVE MORE CONCERN FOR THE RESIDENTS, NOT FOR THE DEVELOPERS, THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE ALREADY BOUGHT INTO THESE NEIGHBORHOOD AND JUST BECAUSE THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN SAYS THAT IT'S IT'S OKAY IT DOESN'T MEAN WE SHOULD DO IT WITHOUT LOOKING AT IT AND HOW IT WILL AFFECT LONG TERM. THOSE ARE JUST MY THOUGHTS.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. OTHERS SLIGHT MATTER OF TIMING TO GO BACK TO ONE OF JON'S POINTS YOU I DON'T KNOW WHETHER OR IF THERE IS GOING TO BE A REGULATING PLAN COMING FORWARD OR REGULATING SKETCH THAT WAS NOT MADE CLEAR.

DID YOU GET AN ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION? WELL, WHAT I MEAN YES.

OKAY. I MEAN FOR EXAMPLE, I REALLY LOVED YOUR POINT OF VIEW THAT THERE COULD BE, YOU KNOW, A UNIT AN X ON A PIECE OF LAND BUT IN FACT THAT X MIGHT TURN OUT TO BE FOR LITTLER BUILDINGS KNOW ADDING UP TO MORE OR LESS THE SAME SQUARE FOOTAGE WITH PARKING DELINEATED. THAT'S NOT WHAT WE WERE GIVEN SO IT'S ILLUSTRATE I THINK POINT THAT I TOOK FROM YOU IS THAT WE WANT LESS ILLUSTRATIVE AND MORE READING.

IS THAT YOUR WAS THAT WHAT YOU'RE GETTING AT IN PART I MEAN BETWEEN WHAT WE HEARD AND STAFF'S COMMENTS IT'S HARD FOR ME TO FEEL LIKE I'M MAKING A REASONABLE DECISION BECAUSE AS OTHER COMMISSIONERS HAVE SAID THE INFORMATION DOESN'T SEEM TO ALL BE CONGEALED YET IN ONE PLACE WHERE I WHERE I'M KIND OF AT IS I COULD GO TWO WAYS. ONE IS WE ASK TO HAVE ADDITIONAL INFORMATION THAT EVERYBODY'S BEEN TALKING ABOUT PUT IN PLACE SO THAT WE'RE ABLE TO HAVE THAT IN ORDER TO MAKE THE. THE OTHER PART IS, YOU KNOW, A YEAR AGO WHEN WE HAD THIS CONVERSATION I'M SURE TRYING NOT TO TURN MY BACK ON YOU GUYS IT'S JUST A TIME TO DO IT. BUT I MEAN A BIG PART OF THINKING PART OF THE

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YEAH, RIGHT. YEAH ABSOLUTELY. AND THERE ARE STILL A LOT OF UNANSWERED QUESTIONS IN TERMS OF TIMING, PARTICULARLY WITH TRANSPORTATION INFRASTRUCTURE THAT WE DON'T KNOW WHEN IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN OR IF IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN.

SO THAT TROUBLES ME IN TERMS OF WHETHER OR NOT GIVEN THE WHAT APPEARS TO BE AT LEAST AND THAT'S THE OTHER THING I'M STRUGGLING FROM A LAND USE PERSPECTIVE I DON'T KNOW IF THE 258 CAMP IS ALL MULTIFAMILY IF IT'S A OF MULTIFAMILY AND SINGLE FAMILY AND THEN A FAIR AMOUNT OF NONRESIDENTIAL ALL OF WHICH RESULTED MORE AM AND PM TRIP SPIN GENERATE IT IN THE PLAN THAT WE LOOKED AT A YEAR AGO SO I'M THINKING WELL EITHER NOT ENOUGH HAS CHANGED THAT.

IT'S HARD FOR ME TO SAY THIS MAKES SENSE NOW THAN IF IT DIDN'T MAKE SENSE A YEAR AGO OR I NEED MORE INFORMATION ORDER TO BE ABLE TO REALLY MAKE A DECISION ON WHAT'S GOING ON HERE. I'M GOING TO ADD THE WHOLE SCHOOL DISTRICT PIECE WE HEARD A YEAR AGO THAT THE DISTRICT WAS GOING TO AT FOR CAPACITY AND IF YOU PUT ANOTHER 258 UNITS WITH MIXED USE, THOSE KIDS WERE THEN GOING TO GO TO THAT SCHOOL.

RIGHT. WELL, THEY DON'T HAVE ENOUGH ROOM FOR IT SO THAT PIECE PLUS THE INTEREST, THE TRAFFIC STUDY INFRASTRUCTURE IS IS IS TROUBLESOME AND IT'S A GREAT IDEA THIS WHOLE VILLAGE PLACE OVERLAY I LIKE IT TOO YOU KNOW JUST HARD TO JUSTIFY IN THIS PARTICULAR LOCATION BUT YEAH SIMPLE AS THAT REALLY FOR ME THIS IS THE THIRD BITE OUT OF THE APPLE. WE SAW THIS IN AUGUST OF 2023 BASED ON THE DISCUSSION AND DEFERRAL WAS REQUESTED AND WE GAVE A DEFERRAL OR IMPROVEMENTS WERE MADE THEN THE NEXT TO THE NEXT MONTH BUT NOT TO THERE WERE STILL A LOT OF OPEN QUESTIONS AND A LOT OF ANGST IN THE COMMUNITY WHAT WAS BEING DONE OR WHAT WASN'T BEING DONE OR WHAT WAS BEING ATTENDED TO.

I THINK WE'VE COME A LONG WAY A MILE WE HAVE ANOTHER MILE TO GO MAYBE EVEN MORE.

THERE'S TOO MANY UNANSWERED QUESTIONS TOO MANY BLANK SPACES THAT WERE IMPORTANT AND STILL ARE IMPORTANT LIKE THE SCHOOL IN THIS SWAP IS KIND OF A BRILLIANT IDEA TO BETTER USE THE LAND AND MAKE THE SCHOOL PART OF IT. BUT THERE'S NO MONEY HERE TO SAY THIS SCHOOL WE'RE GOING TO DO THAT. IT'S ENDED.

THEY MADE IT THEY THEY MADE COMMITTED TO THE SWAP BUT THEY'RE NOT GOING TO THEY HAVEN'T SAID ANYTHING ABOUT BUILDING A SCHOOL IN THAT SPOT AND THAT MAKES A DIFFERENCE TO . THE CAPACITY TO THE USE OF THE LAND ETC. AND IF IT'S NOT A SCHOOL IT'S GOING TO BE LEAVING IT AS AN OPEN SPACE GREEN SPACE FOR IT FOREVER.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT ACTUALLY MEANS. YOU WANT TO ADDRESS MR. MESSER? THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. GIVEN GIVEN YOUR COMMENTS, WE WOULD ASK THAT ANOTHER DEFERRAL BE BE PROVIDED IF THE COMMISSIONERS HAVE THESE KIND OF QUESTIONS WE'VE TAKEN THEM TAKING NOTES. HOPEFULLY WE'LL BE ABLE TO WORK WITH STAFF AND GET BACK TO THE COMMISSION AND AND BE RESPONSIVE TO THOSE CONCERNS. HOW MUCH TIME WOULD YOU NEED? WELL, WITH AT LEAST ONE TO DEFER TO THE NEXT MONTH BUT I DON'T THAT THAT'S GOING TO BE SUFFICIENT PERIOD OF TIME. SO IF YOU COULD TWO MONTHS WE WOULD APPRECIATE THAT.

OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR THE DISCUSSION WELL WE HAVE THAT OTHER DEFERRAL FROM THE PROPERTY NEXT DOOR BUT NEARBY IN DECEMBER JUST THE FIRE THAT'S IN DECEMBER. YEAH, THAT'S RIGHT.

SO WE HAD ROB IS GOING TO HAVE TO MANAGE THAT SCHEDULE. OKAY.

RIGHT FROM THE NIGHT BEFORE MIDNIGHT. I MEAN BARRY JOHNSON'S HE HAS SORT OF FIRST DIBS ON OUR DECEMBER MEETING, RIGHT? YEAH.

BUT THIS IS THIS WOULD AND THIS WOULD BE YEAH, IT WOULD BE DECEMBER 3RD JANUARY I MEAN I DON'T KNOW BUT IT COULD WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO WAIT UNTIL JANUARY IF MR. IS ON THE LINE

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MR. HESTER YES, SIR. IT'S JANUARY THEN IT'S JANUARY .

WELL, I'M NOT SAYING IT HAS TO BE JANUARY. I'M JUST REMINDING THE COMMISSIONER THAT WE HAVE A BEHAVIORAL ISSUE IN DECEMBER. IT'S GOING TO BE A WE WILL REALLY BE HERE TILL MIDNIGHT. JESUS, WE HAVE A SPECIAL MEETING OR HAVE A SPECIAL MEETING WOULD FOR THEIR COMMENTS. CAN I HAVE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE DEFERRAL OR NOT? DOES IT HAVE TO BE WITH THE TIMELINE AND WOULD BE WITH THE TIMELINE THAT WAS JUST QUESTION IT'S NOT OUR DEFERRAL REQUESTS THERE IS JANUARY I'M NOT SURE HE SAID. MR. NESS ARE YOU SUGGESTING IS JANUARY BECAUSE I DIDN'T HEAR THAT FROM MR. SCHWARTZ YES. MR. SCHWARTZ TO PARAPHRASE I BELIEVE HE'S SAYING THAT WE'RE GOING TO MAKE IT WORK SO IF IF IF THE DEFERRALS INTO WE HAVE TO RESUBMIT IN NOVEMBER GET HEARD IN JANUARY THAT WORKS OKAY ALL RIGHT CAN I HAVE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THAT OR NOT? I'LL BE HAPPY TO MOVE THAT UP. AND SO LONG SINCE WE STARTED THIS AND MY PAPER OH IN CASE CDP P000 43 DASH 2020 403 LANDING ZONING AMENDMENT I WOULD MAKE THE MOTION THAT WE DEFER HEARING UNTIL JANUARY HEARING BASED ON THE TESTIMONY WE HEARD THIS EVENING AND THE LETTERS YOU KNOW IN LITTLE LETTERS RECEIVED THE THINGS IN THE LETTER.

YES THEY HAVE PUT WE'RE SECOND WE HAVE A SECOND ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE ACCEPTANCE OF THE DEFERRAL MOTION DEFERRAL. OKAY. WE'RE IN A DEFERRAL STATUS UNTIL JANUARY AND YOU KNOW, JUST YOU KNOW, IN THAT CONTEXT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT AND YET YOU KNOW, IF THAT'S UP TO THE RELIGIOUS RELIGIOUS PLANK, COMMISSIONERS, WE'RE NOT WE'RE NOT ADJOURNED EXCUSE ME NOW WE'RE NOT WE'RE NOT WE'RE NOT ADJOURNED IS THERE ANY OTHER BUSINESS? I HAVE NO CHAIRMAN'S REPORT EXCEPT TO REMIND YOU ABOUT YOUR TRAINING. YOU JUST KIND OF FINISHED READING THOSE THINGS.

SORRY. I THOUGHT WE WERE SO IS THERE IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE YOU WISH TO DISCUSS IN A HEARING? NONE OF THESE ADJ

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