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[I. CALL TO ORDER]
TO ORDER, UH, FOR THE WEDNESDAY, AUGUST 14TH, 2024.HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION MEETING.
CAN I GET A ROLL CALL PLEASE? CHAIRMAN EVAN GOODWIN, VICE CHAIRMAN JOE DEPAUL.
COMMISSIONER DEBBIE WONDER COMMISSIONER LY
OKAY, WE STILL HAVE THE FORUM WITHOUT COMMISSIONER FRAZIER.
I'D LIKE TO WELCOME COMMISSIONER PROBES.
[III. NOTICE REGARDING ADJOURNMENT]
REGARDING ADJOURNMENT.THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION WILL NOT HEAR NEW ITEMS AFTER 9:30 PM UNLESS AUTHORIZED BY A MAJORITY VOTE OF THE COMMISSION MEMBERS.
PRESENT ITEMS WHICH HAVE NOT BEEN HEARD BEFORE 9:30 PM MAY BE CONTINUED TO THE NEXT REGULAR MEETING, OR A SPECIAL MEETING DATE IS DETERMINED BY THE COMMISSION MEMBERS.
[IV. ADOPTION OF MINUTES]
FROM THE JUNE HC MEETING.I'M LOOKING FOR AN ADOPTION OF THE MINUTES.
ALL IN FAVOR OF ADOPTION OF THE MINUTES, SAY AYE.
A AYE AGAINST THE MINUTES ARE ADOPTED.
UH, WE HAVE NO PUBLIC COMMENT, CORRECT? NO OLD BUSINESS EITHER.
[VII.1. Certificate of Appropriateness: A request by Southern Coastal Homes, on behalf of the Owners Nathalie and Andrew Hintz, for approval of a Certificate of Appropriateness-HD to allow the Construction of a new 1-story Single Family Residential Structure of approximately 1,818 SF and Carriage House of approximately 1,165 SF at 5783 Yaupon Road, Lot 38 in the Stock Farm Development, in the Old Town Bluffton Historic District and zoned Neighborhood General-HD. (COFA-04-23-017854)(Staff - Katie Peterson)]
UM, NEW BUSINESS.WE HAVE ONE TYPICAL OF APPROPRIATENESS.
UM, TONIGHT BEFORE US, WE HAVE A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS.
IT IS A REQUEST FROM SOUTHERN COASTAL HOMES ON BEHALF BEHALF OF THE OWNERS, THE
IT'LL BE LOCATED AT 57 83 Y POND ROAD, WHICH IS LOT 38 IN THE STOCK FARM DEVELOPMENT.
IT'S LOCATED IN ALTO BLUFFTON, HISTORIC DISTRICT AND IT'S OWN NEIGHBORHOOD.
UM, YOU CAN SEE THAT THIS IS ON A THREE STREET, UM, OR TWO REAL STREETS AND AN ALLEYWAY.
AND THEN, UM, MS. LITO LOOP IS THIS DIRECTION HERE.
SO, UM, JUST FOR THE RECORD, 6 0 2 CARLY, THAT HAS JOINED US.
UM, THE FIRST FLOOR PLAN IS ON THE SCREEN IN FRONT OF YOU, AS WELL AS THE FLOOR PLAN FOR THE BREEZEWAY.
THERE IS ONLY ONE FLOOR PLAN, SO THIS IS, UM, SUPERFLUOUS, BUT THE FLOOR PLAN IS, IS LOCATED HERE AS WELL AS THE ELEVATIONS.
SO I'VE GOT THE ELEVATIONS ON THE SCREEN IN FRONT OF YOU.
UM, TIM, I GO VERY FAST BECAUSE I LIKE TO FLY THROUGH THESE SO WE CAN GO BACK AND ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU ALL HAVE.
SO THIS SPACE IS, SO THIS FACES AWAY FROM YON AND AWAY FROM MISS OTOE, THE LEFT ELEVATION.
SO THIS IS THE SIDE TOWARDS MISS OTOE.
I SKIPPED THE RIGHT ELEVATION.
SO THIS IS TOWARDS THE ADJACENT PROPERTY.
IN FURTHER ON YON ROAD, I HAVE ATTACHED TO SECTIONS AND DETAILS.
AS USUAL, THEY'RE VERY SMALL ON YOUR SCREEN, BUT I CAN ZOOM IN IF YOU NEED TO SEE ANY OF THEM ANY CLOSER.
AND THEN THE CARRIAGE HOUSE ELEVATIONS AS WELL, IT IS ACCESSED OFF OF THE BACK ALLEYWAY.
UM, SO THE GARAGE DOORS FACE AWAY FROM GLP POND AND AWAY FROM MISSILE TOE LOOP.
YOU CAN SEE ON THE LANDSCAPE PLAN, IT'S A LITTLE ZOOM.
MORE ZOOMED IN HERE ARE THE GARAGE DOORS.
THIS IS THE ADJACENT PROPERTY.
UM, THE SETBACKS FOR THE STOCK FARM DEVELOPMENT ARE DETERMINED BY THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR THE MAIN STRUCTURE.
AND THE CARRIAGE HOUSE IS SET BY OUR UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT ORDINANCE, WHICH IS FIVE FEET FROM ALL SIDES.
UM, SO IT IS MEETING THOSE SETBACKS, WHICH ARE A LITTLE LARGER THAN SOME OF THOSE THAT YOU FIND IN SECTION FIVE 15 TEAM.
WE DO HAVE A LANDSCAPE PLAN, WHICH SHOWS FOUNDATION PLANTINGS AS WELL AS STREET TREES.
UM, AS INDICATED IN THE STAFF REPORT, WE DO NOT HAVE THOSE CANOPY COVER CANOPY COVERAGE CALCULATIONS.
UM, THE HPC REVIEWS APPLICATIONS FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS AGAINST THE CRITERIA FOUND IN SECTION 3 18 3 OF OUR UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT ORDINANCE.
WHEN ASSESSING, UM, IT IS THE AUTHORITY OF THE HPC TO APPROVE AN APPLICATION IS SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT.
IF THEY MEET THOSE CRITERIA, APPROVE THE APPLICATION WITH CONDITIONS OR DENY THE APPLICATION IS SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT.
IF THEY FIND THEY DO NOT MEET THOSE CRITERIA, STAFF IS FOUND WITH A FEW CONDITIONS, IT COULD MEET THOSE CRITERIA, UM, AND RECOMMENDS APPROVAL WITH CONDITIONS.
SO THE, THE ITEMS I'M GONNA RUN THROUGH, IF IT'S OKAY,
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MR. CHAIRMAN.UM, I'LL RUN THROUGH THE CONDITIONS THAT STAFF HAS FOUND AND THEN OPEN IT UP FOR QUESTIONS.
THERE IS SOMEONE FROM THE APPLICANT TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF THE PROJECT IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO ASK QUESTIONS OF THEM AS WELL OR OPEN UP THE FLOOR TO HAVE THEM SPEAK TO IT.
THE FIRST ITEM IS A TREE REMOVAL PERMIT.
UM, WE HAVE HAD A TREE REMOVAL PERMIT SUBMITTED, SO IT IS ON FILE.
WE DO NEED THE CANOPY COVERAGE CALCULATIONS FOR THAT AS WELL.
BUT IT IS ALSO A REQUIREMENT THAT WE MAKE IT THIS FAR BEFORE THAT TRUE REMOVAL PERMIT CAN GET APPROVED SO THAT WE KNOW THAT THEY'RE NOT JUST CUTTING DOWN TREES TO THEN WALK AWAY AND MOVE TO TEXAS INSTEAD.
UM, THE SECOND ONE IS A LETTER OF APPROVAL FROM THE STOCK FROMM POA.
I ALSO HAVE RECEIVED THAT IN THE MEANTIME.
SO THIS MEETING BEING PUSHED BY A WEEK HAS, HAS GIVEN ME THE ABILITY TO HAVE THOSE ITEMS IN FRONT OF US.
THE TRUE REMOVAL PERMIT WAS ACTUALLY SUBMITTED PRIOR TO THE, UM, STAFF REPORT, SO I APOLOGIZE ON THAT.
THE NEXT ONE IS THE MATERIAL CHANGE AT THE REAR PORCH TAKES PLACE AT AN INTERIOR CORNER.
MATERIAL CHANGES SHALL TAKE PLACE ON AN EXTERIOR CORNER ONLY.
UM, AND I CAN SHOW YOU THAT HERE.
SO THIS HERE IS ACTUALLY ALL ONE PLANE AND THEN IT CHANGES MATERIAL RIGHT HERE.
AND WHILE THERE IS A, UM, COLUMN THERE, NOT COLUMN TECHNICALLY, BUT IT'S THE COLUMN THERE, UM, IT IS STILL THE SAME PLANE AND WOULD NEED TO HAVE THE SAME MATERIAL THERE.
THE NEXT ITEM IS THERE'S SOME PLYWOOD IN THE SOFFIT, UM, WHICH THAT'S A STANDARD DETAIL THAT WE SEE A LOT, BUT IT NEEDS TO BE REVISED TO A PERMITTED MATERIAL.
THE PORCH HEIGHT NEEDS TO MEET THE MINIMUM HEIGHT REQUIREMENT.
PORCHES ARE REQUIRED TO BE 30 INCHES ABOVE AVERAGE ADJACENT SIDEWALK GRADE.
IT WAS SITTING JUST BELOW THAT.
UM, THE SHUTTER SIZE SHUTTERS ARE REQUIRED TO FIT THE OPENINGS WHICH THEY COVER.
UM, AND IF SHUTTERS ARE PROPOSED, WE DO NEED TO SEE A DETAIL OF THOSE SHOWING THE MATERIAL OPERATIONAL HARDWARE.
UM, OR THEY COULD BE REMOVED FROM THE, FROM THE DRAWINGS.
THE NEXT ITEM IS THAT THE COLUMNS ON THE FRONT PORCH, THE END BAYS, THEY NEED TO BE REVISED TO BE NO FURTHER APART THAN THEY ARE AT ALL.
THE NEXT ITEM IS, UM, THAT THE, DURING THE SITE PLANNING OF ANY SITE, THE CONSIDERATION SHALL BE GIVEN TO THE EXISTING CANOPY OF THOSE TREES.
UM, THIS IS A REALLY LARGE SITE, BUT IT'S ALSO A COMPLICATED SITE BECAUSE THERE ARE SOME REALLY BIG TREES ON THIS SITE.
UM, LET ME USE THE WORD SITE THREE MORE TIMES GUYS, BUT THE, UM, TREES THAT ARE HAVING TO BE REMOVED FOR THE PLACEMENT OF THE HOUSE.
IF THERE WAS A WAY TO SHIFT THE HOUSE A LITTLE BIT AND SAVE A MAGNOLIA RATHER THAN A WATER OAK, WE JUST WANTED TO SEE IF THAT COULD BE ADDRESSED.
WE'D ASK FOR A LITTLE BIT MORE INFORMATION ON THAT AT A TIME OF CONCEPTUAL AND DID NOT SEE, UM, ANY ARB ARBITRAGE REPORT OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT COME IN WITH THE FINAL.
SO WE'VE JUST LISTED THAT HERE AS WELL.
HOWEVER, AGAIN, THERE ARE, THERE IS NO WAY TO PLACE THE HOUSE ON THIS SITE WITHOUT TAKING OUT SOME GOOD SIZED TREES.
AND THERE ARE STILL A LOT OF GOOD SIZED TREES ON THE SITE.
AND I CAN BRING UP THAT FOR YOU GUYS JUST TO SEE WHERE IT IS THAT I'M TALKING ABOUT A LITTLE BIT THERE.
AND THEN THE LAST ITEM IS THE CANOPY COVERAGE CALCULATIONS.
UM, IT VERY WELL MAY BE THAT THEY DO MEET THOSE REQUIREMENTS.
WE JUST NEED THE DOCUMENTATION THAT SHOWS THAT IT WILL MEET THOSE REQUIREMENTS.
SO THE ONES THAT WE ARE LOOKING AT, THESE BAYS RIGHT HERE ARE WIDER THAN THEY ARE TALL.
AND THEN THE SHUTTERS ARE HERE AND THE PORCH HEIGHT IS JUST BELOW.
AND THE TREES WAS THE LAST ONE I WAS GOING TO SHOW YOU.
IT DOESN'T LIKE TO ZOOM IN THIS NEW VERSION.
SO THERE IS A 10 INCH MAGNOLIA THAT'S RIGHT HERE.
THERE'S A WATER OAK RIGHT HERE THAT'S 25 INCHES.
UM, AND THERE ARE A COUPLE OTHER LARGE TREES RIGHT IN THIS AREA.
SO AGAIN, IF THEY SHIFT IT TO THE, UM, SCREEN LEFT HERE, IT WILL BE TAKING OUT THIS WATER OAK AND A MAPLE POTENTIALLY IN ORDER TO PROTECT ANOTHER TREE.
THIS IS A 10 INCH MAGNOLIA, SO IT REALLY, UM, IT IS UP TO Y'ALL FOR A DETERMINATION ON THE APPROPRIATENESS OF THAT.
IT IS ONE THAT, UM, BECAUSE WE HAD NO ADDITIONAL INFORMATION FROM CONCEPTUAL AND WE'D MENTIONED IT, WE JUST HAVE PUT IT IN THERE AS WELL.
BUT, UM, THERE ARE STILL GOING TO BE TREES THAT ARE REMOVED FROM THE SITE NO MATTER WHICH WAY THE HOUSE SHIFTS.
SO IT IS, UM, THEY'RE ALL, THEY'RE ALL DECENT SIZED TREES THERE.
UM, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE.
AND THE APPLICANT IS HERE TO COME BACK TO THE PROJECT.
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UM, I DROVE BY THE, I DROVE BY THE SITE AND THE MAGNOLIA TREE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IT IS SIGNIFICANT.AND WHEN YOU BROUGHT THAT UP, WAS THERE ANY, UM, WAS THERE, WERE THEY OPEN TO MAYBE SHIFTING THE HOUSE A LITTLE BIT TO SAVE THAT TREE? 'CAUSE THE SECOND BIGGEST TREE I THINK I SAW WAS THE WATER OAK THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE.
I WILL HAVE TO LET THE APPLICANT SPEAK TO THAT, BUT UM, IT IS A SIGNIFICANT, THERE'RE A BUNCH OF SIGNIFICANT TREES.
THERE IS ANOTHER LARGER WATER OAK THAT YOU MAY HAVE BEEN LOOKING AT THAT'S RIGHT HERE.
SO HOW I ALWAYS EXPLAIN IT IS IF YOU HAVE A STANDARD SIZE SHEET OF PAPER AND YOU TURN IT HOTDOG STYLE, IT IS 11 INCHES.
IF YOU HOLD THAT OUT LIKE THIS, YOU'RE MEETING THE TREE WITH, SO IF THIS IS A NORMALIZED PIECE OF PAPER, THIS IS AN 11 INCH.
SO IT WOULD BE ABOUT THIS BIG AROUND WHERE THAT ONE THAT IS RIGHT UP BY THE SERVICE YARD IS 12.
SO IT WOULD BE, THIS IS NOT QUITE A WHOLE SIZE PIECE OF PAPER, BUT IT WOULD BE ABOUT THIS BIG.
SO, UM, AND THEN THE MAGNOLIA IS A LITTLE BIT SMALLER THAN THAT, SO IT'S
UM, SO I DON'T KNOW WHICH, I THINK THAT YOU PROBABLY ARE LOOKING AT THE CORRECT ONE THAT YOU'RE SAYING IS THE SUBSTANTIAL ON THE OTHER SIDE, BUT, UM, AS A WATER OAK, IT IS A FAST GROWING TREE AS WELL.
SO, UM, WHY DON'T WE START AT ONE END AND WORK OUR WAY DOWN WITH QUESTIONS.
MR. HE, DO YOU WANNA START? UM, I MEAN, I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
I MEAN, I THINK YOU COVERED MOST OF THE THINGS THAT WOULD BE CONCERNING ON THE, UM, ON YOUR SUGGESTIONS.
SO PRETTY, PRETTY GOOD WITH IT.
MR. WARNER, DID YOU HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? JUST A THAT, UM, WHEN I WENT AND LOOKED AT THE SITE, THE MAGNOLIA MAGNOLIA TREE WAS, UH, REALLY STUCK OUT TO ME AND I JUST WANTED TO FIND OUT CONFIRMATION, WAS THERE PLANS TO REMOVE IT.
AND THEN IN KATIE'S PRESENTATION SHE MENTIONED THAT THERE WAS LIKE, SOMEBODY BROUGHT UP THE IDEA ABOUT SHIFTING THE HOUSE A LITTLE BIT.
AND, UM, ON THIS, UM, IS IT, I THINK IT'S BELOW ATTACHMENT THREE ELEVATION SEEMS LIKE THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT SIZE WINDOWS BELOW ATTACHMENT FREE, SORRY, IN PAST MEETINGS, THAT'S ALWAYS BEEN BROUGHT UP OF LIKE TOO MANY DIFFERENT SIZE WINDOWS ON ONE SIDE.
AND IF ANYBODY ELSE HAS A PROBLEM WITH IT, IT JUST A LITTLE
YEAH, THAT THAT'S, YEAH, ONE SIDE.
AND THEN THE OTHER ONE I THINK WAS TALKING WAS YEAH, THAT SIDE THERE TOO.
WE HAVE AN ACTUAL WINDOW DOOR SCHEDULE ONE WAS NOT PROVIDED, BUT JUST CURIOUS WHAT EVERYBODY ELSE THOUGHT ABOUT THAT.
FOR ME, IT'S NEVER SO MUCH ABOUT MAYBE DIFFERENT FOR OTHERS, BUT IT'S NOT SO MUCH ABOUT THE AMOUNT OF DIFFERENT TYPES ON ONE SIDE OR AROUND THE HOLE.
AS LONG AS THE PROPORTIONS ARE IN KEEPING AROUND THE WHOLE HOUSE, MOST OF THEM SEEM TO, BUT IT IS KIND OF TOUGH TO SEE BEHIND THE SHUTTERS WHAT SOME OF 'EM ARE DOING.
LIKE ON THE RIGHT ELEVATION, THERE'S A SHUTTER COVERING IT, THAT WINDOW AND IT'S HARD TO TELL, BUT THE SASH LOOKS LIKE IT'S LIKE OFF CENTER FROM WHERE THE WINDOW WOULD BE.
THE TOP OF THE WINDOW WOULD BE ON THIS ONE? NO, ON THE LOWER ONE ON THE LEFT SIDE.
SO IF YOU TAKE THAT WHOLE RECTANGLE OH, SASH OF THAT UPPER, THE UPPER SASH LOOKS LIKE IT'S LOWER THAN IT SHOULD BE IF THAT'S THE WHOLE HEIGHT SPLIT IN HALF.
I THINK THAT WINDOW HAD A TRANSOM ON IT IN THE, THAT'S SEXUAL APPROVAL.
UM, BUT WE COULD LET THE YEAH.
WHAT ARE THE WINDOWS? I MEAN, DOUBLE HUNGS, IT'S HARD TO TELL ARE VACATIONS.
UM, SO, SO THE TOP ONE HERE IS, IS FIXED AND THEN THOUGHT MOST OF 'EM ARE LABELED, BUT LISTEN ON THE FLOOR PLAN.
SO THE TYPE IS NOT SOME LOCATION TRIPLE HUNG.
YEAH, I WAS GONNA SAY THE CASEMENTS ARE IDENTIFIED HERE AND OVER HERE.
SO IF THEY'RE ALL LISTED CASEMENTS ARE DOUBLE LUNGS AND THERE'S A TRIPLE AND THEN THERE'S FIXED.
UH, ALL RIGHT, LET'S GO BACK TO QUESTIONS.
DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE? THAT WAS IT.
I DON'T HAVE ANY COMMISSION OR, UH, QUESTIONS FOR STAFF.
UM, COMMISSIONER PROPS, ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF COMMISSIONER FRAZIER, DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? YES.
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WOULD THE APPLICANT LIKE TO SPEAK TO THOSE OR ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS? I, MY ABILITY THANK YOU FOR COMING.IF YOU CAN JUST STATE YOUR NAME AND WHAT, WHO JUST NAME SO WE KNOW HOW TO ADDRESS YOU
I'M BAILEY QUICK WITH SOUTHERN COASTAL HOMES.
UH,
UH, THEY'RE, THEY LOOK LIKE THEY'RE SHOWN AS BAHAMA SHUTTERS THAT ARE ONLY FOR THE HALF OF THE HEIGHT OF THE WINDOWS.
UM, YOU KNOW, STAFF'S COMMENTS I THINK MAKE SENSE THAT THEY WOULD NEED TO BE THE FULL HEIGHT OF THE WINDOWS.
HAVE YOU GUYS DISCUSSED THAT WITH THE, YOUR CLIENT? SO I TALKED TO THE ARCHITECT AND HE SAID THE SHUTTERS ARE SIZED FOR THE WINDOWS, BUT THEY, HE INDICATED THEM PARTIALLY OPEN AND PROPPED BY A ROD.
SO, UM, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT KIND OF HELPS YOU LIKE THAT IT'S GONNA COME DOWN.
I MEAN, TYPICALLY WHEN YOU PROP 'EM WITH A ROD, THEY'RE NOT PROPPED OPEN.
I MEAN FOR THAT TO ONLY COVER THAT MUCH, IT'S BASICALLY HORIZONTAL AT THAT POINT.
SO I THINK THAT'S WHAT'S CONFUSING.
HAVE YOU, I THINK THAT WE DISCUSSED THAT WITH THE OWNERS.
ARE THEY, SO WE DISCUSSED CHANGE, LIKE TAKING THE SHUTTERS OFF COMPLETELY AND THEY DIDN'T REALLY LIKE THAT IDEA.
BUT WE CAN KIND OF GO BACK TO A DIFFERENT STYLE MAYBE.
BUT THE ATTENTION IS THAT THEY WOULD BE THE FULL HEIGHT EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE NOT NECESSARILY COMPLETELY DRAWN THAT WAY.
UM, AND THEN ON THE WINDOWS, COULD YOU TRY TO RUN US THROUGH WHAT, BECAUSE I THINK WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO PROBABLY SEE IS A DOOR WINDOW SCHEDULE, ESPECIALLY SINCE MOST OF THE WINDOWS ARE OBSCURED BY SHUTTERS AT THIS POINT IN THE DRAWING.
UM, I CAN GET THAT OVER TO YOU, BUT UM, COULD YOU TRY TO RUN US THROUGH WHERE THERE'S THE LOGIC BEHIND WHERE THERE'S CASE MINS AND DOUBLE HUNGS IN THIS? I DON'T KNOW THAT ANSWER.
HE'S THE ONE THAT'S BEEN REALLY TALKING TO THE CLIENT ABOUT ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF.
IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S LARGELY, THERE'S ONLY ONE DOUBLE HUNG AND IT'S A TRIPLE HUNG THAT SOUND RIGHT.
WHICH CASE I THINK WE MIGHT HAVE AN ISSUE WITH IT JUST ONLY HAVING ONE WINDOW.
THAT'S A DIFFERENT TYPE OF OPERATION.
UM, AND THEN ON THE SIGHTING OF THE HOUSE, COULD YOU, SO WE DESCRIBE WHAT YOU GUYS, WHAT YOUR GOALS WERE THERE.
I, SO I THINK IT WAS JUST THE ARCHITECT DESIGNING THAT KIND OF PART.
HE DIDN'T UNDERSTAND THE FACT THAT HE WASN'T SUPPOSED TO CHANGE THE MATERIAL.
IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO SAY? OR WHAT WHAT UH, YEAH, I GUESS THE, THE SIDING THERE.
UM, IF YOU HAVE SOME THOUGHTS ON THAT, I THINK WE'D BE INTERESTED IN HEARING IT OUT.
SO WE TRIED TO GET THE ARCHITECT TO CHANGE IT TO ALL ONE TYPE OF THING AND HE KIND OF CAME BACK WITH PUSHBACK SAYING THAT IT WAS NOT, IT WAS A DIFFERENT CORNER THAT IT WASN'T CHANGING, BUT WE CAN TALK TO THEM ABOUT CHANGING IT.
AND THEN ON THE SIGHTING OF THE HOME ON THE LOT MM-HMM.
DURING CONCEPTUAL REVIEW, BUT THERE'S SOME LIVE BOOKS IN THE BACK THAT YOU'RE SAVING AS WELL.
SO THE CLIENT REALLY DOESN'T WANNA MOVE THE HOUSE.
THEY REALLY LIKE WHERE IT IS AT THIS MOMENT.
SO WE'RE THINKING THAT IF MAYBE WE COULD SAVE JUST, I MEAN IF WE LOOKED AT IT, WE SAVE A LIVE OAK, EIGHT INCH LIVE OAK, EIGHT INCH LIVE OAK, 16 INCH, UM, AND THEN TWO WATER OAKS.
I KNOW THEY'RE NOT REALLY SOMETHING THAT YOU ARE WANTING TO KEEP, BUT JUST SINCE THE CLIENT WANTED TO STAY IN THAT SAME KIND OF AREA IN THE SITE PLAN, WE JUST THOUGHT THAT SAVING SOME OF THE LIVE OAKS WOULD KIND OF HELP WITH GETTING RID OF THAT BIG MAGNOLIA.
I DON'T REMEMBER LIVE OAKS BEING THAT BIG, BUT WHICH LIVE OAKS WOULD THEY WANT, WANTED TO SAVE? UM, KIND OF
THESE RIGHT HERE, THESE ONES, THERE'S, THERE'S A LIVE OAK UNDERNEATH THAT 25.25 CALL OUT ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE PORCH.
AND THEN A LI 14 INCH LIVE OAK ON THE OTHER CORNER OF THE PORCH.
THE SHERIFF'S HOUSE EXCUSE, I MEAN, I, I THINK I'M SYMPATHETIC TO THAT LOCATION, TRYING TO KEEP THOSE TREES AROUND THEIR SCREEN PORCH AND NOT TRY TO SHIFT THE HOUSE TO THE LEFT HERE AND CLOSER TO THE GARAGE.
SO IF YOU ALL ARE COMFORTABLE WITH THAT, POTENTIALLY ADDING SIGNIFICANT, UM, TREE
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PROTECTION FOR THE EXISTING TREES SO THAT WE ENSURE THAT WHEN THEY START TO DIG THE FOUNDATION FOR THIS AND PUTTING IN THE FILL, THEY'RE PROTECTING THE ROOT SYSTEMS FOR THOSE.IF THAT'S, UM, IF THE INTENT IS TO ENSURE THAT THESE HERE ARE SAVED, MAKING SURE THAT THAT TREE PROTECTION FENCES IN PLACE.
I, I'M, I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THAT 14 INCH LIVE OAK NEXT TO THE SCREEN PORCH ON THE BACK THAT'S REALLY CLOSE TO THE ROOT SYSTEM.
AND THEN IT SEEMS LIKE THAT'S EVEN CLOSER THAN THE 10 INCH LIVE OAK UP ON THE RIGHT HAND, UH, RIGHT SIDE OF THIS SCREEN.
WHERE THE 25 FOOT CONTOUR IS SHOWN, THERE'S AN X SHOWN THROUGH IT.
UH, IT'S NOT IN THE HOUSE, IT'S OUTSIDE THE HOUSE'S.
SO STRAIGHT UP FROM THE MOUTH, STRAIGHT UP FROM THAT RIGHT THERE.
THAT'S SHOWN IS BEING REMOVED.
BUT THAT SEEMS FURTHER AWAY THAN THE 14 INCH LIVE OAK BY THE SCREEN PORCH.
I'D LIKE TO SEE 'EM BOTH SAVED IF POSSIBLE, BUT I, I DO HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT THE, THE ROOT SYSTEM OF THE 14 INCH LIVE OAK BEING SO CLOSE TO THAT SCREEN PORCH.
DID YOU HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? I DIDN'T HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS SIR.
UM, I GUESS I HAVE SOME CLARIFICATIONS.
UM, ONE ON THE, CAN WE GO TO THE FOUNDATION PLAN? OKAY.
SO IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT THAT UM, FOUR SEASON PORCH, IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S THE SAME ELEVATION AS THE HOUSE SLAB.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE ELEVATIONS, IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE THERE'S A STEP DOWN.
UM, THIS IS THE, I'M SORRY, RIGHT.
OR SUSAN'S PORCH, BUT I THINK THAT SHOULD BE THE SAME ELEVATION AS THE PORCH 'CAUSE IT'S MADE IT LOOK LIKE A PORCH DETAIL.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE ELEVATION, THAT'S HOW IT'S DRAWN.
I THINK THE ELEVATION'S CORRECT 'CAUSE THAT BRICK GOES AROUND.
SEE IF THE BRICK, THAT BRICK IS AT THE SAME LEVEL AS THAT PORCH.
I WAS GONNA ASK THE ARCHITECT TO CLARIFY.
I THINK THAT'S BORING 'CAUSE IT'S MADE IT LOOK LIKE A PORCH THAT'S BEEN, YOU KNOW, FRAMED IN THAT IT'S AT THE SAME LEVEL.
I JUST DON'T WANT THAT TO GO UP THAT BRICK TO GO UP THERE.
IT WOULD BE AT A DIFFERENT LEVEL AND I THINK YOU JUST HAVE TO RAISE THE FLOOR THEN INSIDE THE HOUSE.
SO IT'S, IF YOU WANT IT AT THE SAME LEVEL, YOU HAVE TO BUILD THAT UP.
UM, BUT IF, IF THE TENT IS TO MAKE THAT LOOK LIKE A PORCH THAT'S BEEN FRAMED IN THAT BRICK NEEDS THE SAME LEVEL.
UM, THE, UH, JUST A QUESTION, WHAT THE PORCH CEILING GONNA BE TARA? UM, WE HAVEN'T REALLY GONE THROUGH THAT WITH THEM, BUT IT'S A REQUIREMENT.
DETAILS, SORRY, I ZOOM REALLY FAST.
UM, QUESTION, UH, SO ON THE, IF YOU CAN GO DOWN A LITTLE BIT TO THE FOUNDATION DETAIL PORCH.
SO I THINK I'D LIKE TO SEE THOSE, THOSE PIECES OF WOOD THAT ARE NAILED ON TO THAT.
I DON'T THINK YOU'RE EITHER A SHADOW LINE THERE AND YOU'RE GONNA READ THAT FOUNDATION.
I THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE A FURNISHING STRIP BEHIND THAT SO YOU GET A SHADOW LINE SO IT A THREE QUARTER INCH FURNISHING STRIP THERE.
SO THE DETAIL THAT WE HAVE HERE, WHETHER THERE'S A FIRST STRIP, FUR STRIP, FIRST STRIP, UM, THERE HAVE BEEN SEVERAL ITERATIONS OF THIS IN SPECIFICALLY IN THE STOCK FARM AREA.
UM, WE DON'T HAVE A CODE SECTION THAT HAS TO REQUIRE THAT, BUT WE DO HAVE ONE THAT SAYS IT DOES HAVE TO BE SET BACK, UM, INTO IT.
SO IT LOOKS TRUE HERE VERSUS THAT.
BUT THE CONFIGURATION SPECIFICALLY, WE DON'T HAVE AN ORDINANCE SECTION THAT WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO TIE THAT TO.
I MEAN THE ONES I'VE SEEN IN THERE, THEY'RE ACTUALLY BUILT FROM THE FRONT, BUT YOU STILL GET THAT SHADOW LINE.
IT'S NOT, I MEAN THIS IS PROBABLY BETTER.
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YOU'RE NOT GONNA GET THAT SHADOW LINE IF IT'S, THIS IS ALSO THE DEVELOPMENT WHICH PUT THAT ORDINANCE REQUIREMENT INTO PLACE THAT WE HAVE TO HAVE THAT SHADOW LINE BECAUSE THEY, UM, POURED FLAT SLABS AND STUCK WITH I THINK CRAZY GLUE TO THE FRONT OF THEM.BUT SINCE THEN HAVE, WE'VE REQUIRED THAT THAT BE SET BACK, BUT WE DON'T HAVE ONE THAT SPECIFICALLY SUITS TO THAT COMMUNICATION.
UM, AND THEN JUST A QUESTION ON THE, THE COLUMNS THEMSELVES, IS THERE A REASON THERE'S NOT CAPS AND BASES ON 'EM THAT SEEMS TO BE EVERYWHERE IN THAT STOCK FORM HAS THAT DETAIL? I THINK IT WAS JUST THE CLIENT.
SO I CAN JUST A QUESTION AND THEN, UM, THE OTHER THING I WORRY ABOUT IS THE COLUMNS BEING JUST TOO CLOSE TO THAT PITCH OF THE ACTUAL PORCH THAT GETS ADDED ON LATER.
THOSE BASES MAY, MIGHT STICK OVER.
ESPECIALLY BEING FLUSH WITH THE FRONT OF THE WALL.
UM, IS THERE ANY, DO YOU KNOW WHAT THE ACTUAL SERVICE YARD DETAIL IS? I DIDN'T SEE ANYTHING ON THERE.
AND I APOLOGIZE IF I HAVE, LOOKS LIKE IT'S BORED ON BOARD, BUT IT'S UP TO SAY IT IS HARDY TYPE SO IT SHOULD BE SPECIFIED.
DETAIL I KIND OF INTERESTED ON IS THE BRACKET DETAIL FOR THAT IS JUST A BRACKET DETAIL.
IT LOOKS A LITTLE BIT UNDERSIZED TO ME, ESPECIALLY RELATIVE TO THE, THE BRACKET RELATIVE TO THE SIZE OF THE BEAM HOLDING UP THE RAFTERS LOOKS VERY SMALL, LOOKS LIKE A FOUR BY FOUR.
IT'S TOUGH TO SAY WITH A LOT OF IT TAMPERED OUT.
UM, AND THEN THE OTHER COMMENT IS, WHAT, WHAT'S WITH THE PORCH BEING RAISED UP TO 30 INCHES, YOU'RE GONNA NEED A RAILING ON THAT.
WHAT IS THE RAILING GONNA BE? THE FRONT PORCH, EVERYTHING IN THERE IS JUST PICKETS.
BUT BEING RAISED 30 INCHES, YOU'RE GOING TO REQUIRE YES, WE HAVE ALLOWED, SO THE REQUIREMENT OF OUR ORDINANCE IS 30 INCHES ABOVE AVERAGE ADJACENT SIDEWALK GRADE.
UM, WE HAVE ALLOWED FOR IT TO BE PLUS OR MINUS ONE INCH FROM THERE.
IN ORDER TO MEET THAT 29 INCHES AND ALLOW FOR THEM TO NOT HAVE TO HAVE A RAILING, SHOULD THAT BE THEIR, THEIR REQUEST? UM, WE DO NOT ALLOW IT TO BE PLUS OR MINUS TWO FEET.
SO
UM, AND WHILE WE HAVE IT ON HERE, IT NORMALLY SAYS PLUS OR MINUS ONE INCH IS HOW IT TRULY IS LABELED BECAUSE IT CANNOT BE MAXIMUM 30 INCHES, IT HAS TO BE MINIMUM 30 INCHES PLUS OR MINUS ONE INCH.
UM, AND THAT'S HOW WE'VE HAD PEOPLE THAT WERE ABLE TO NOT HAVE FRONT PORCH RAILINGS BECAUSE THEY FEEL INCLINED, WHICH, UM, HAS BEEN CONSISTENTLY ACCEPTABLE IN THE PAST.
BUT YEAH, IF THEY ARE GOING TO HAVE IT, WE DO NEED TO SEE THE DETAIL OF IT.
COMMISSIONER FRAZIER, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? EVERYBODY HAS IT ALL COVERED? UM, JUST OFF THE BAT, IT SEEMS LIKE A LOT OF COMMENTS AND A LOT OF QUESTIONS.
SO WE HAVE A COUPLE OPTIONS I THINK.
AM I CORRECT IN ASKING THAT WE, SO WE HAVE THE OPTION TO VOTE AND EITHER APPROVE, VOTE AND DENY OR VOTE TO TABLE THE DISCUSSION AND HAVE THEM ADDRESS A LOT OF THESE CONCERNS AND RE RESUBMIT? YES.
THE OTHER OPTION THAT YOU HAVE, SHOULD YOU CHOOSE, I'M TRYING TO GO THROUGH HERE AND NARROW OUT AND AT LEAST SHAPE WHAT I BELIEVE YOUR MOTION IS, IS TO LOOK LIKE, SO THE TREE REMOVAL PERMIT HAS BEEN SUBMITTED AND THE STOCKROOM POA HAS BEEN SUBMITTED.
UM, THE MATERIAL CHANGE AT THE PORCH, UM, THE DIRECTION ON THAT THAT I WAS
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HEARING FROM IT IS CHANGE THAT TO BE APPROPRIATE.EITHER, UM, HAVE THE PORCH STEP BACK OR, OR KEEP THE SAME MATERIAL ON THAT PORTION OF IT.
THE PORCH HEIGHT NEEDS TO BE REVISED TO THE MINIMUM.
AND ON THIS PAGE, THE SHUTTER DOES NEED TO FIT IT.
WAS IT ACCEPTABLE TO HAVE A DIFFERENT TYPE OF SHUTTER IF THEY CHOOSE, OR WOULD YOU LIKE TO SEE THOSE UM, REMOVED ENTIRELY IF THEY DO NOT HAVE BAHAMAS THAT FIT THE WINDOWS TO THEIR SIZE? I THINK AS LONG AS THEY'RE REVISING IT TO, TO FIT THE OPENINGS, REVISE SHUTTER SIZE, SHOWING THAT IN THE RETAILER, SHOWING IT IN SOME WAY.
BUT I SEE THE DIRECTION YOU'RE GOING HERE, EVAN, WHICH IS THAT THAT THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT AREN'T DEFINED IN THE DETAILS THAT WE WOULD TYPICALLY SEE.
AND I MEAN, I REALLY APPRECIATE THE CHANGES THAT WERE MADE TO THE CARRIAGE HOUSE AND THE BACK MASSING OF THE STRUCTURE SINCE CONS CONCEPTUAL REVIEW, BUT WE'RE MISSING BRACKET DETAILS AND UM, A LOT OF INFORMATION ON THE WINDOWS AND, YOU KNOW, THE SHUTTERS ARE DEPICTED IN A, IN A POD WAY, UM, AND ARE UP IN THE AIR, THE SITE'S KIND OF UP IN THE AIR.
IT'S A LOT OF THINGS TO LEAVE FOR STAFF REVIEW.
THAT'S, THAT'S KIND OF WHAT I'M GETTING AT.
I I HESITATE TO REALLY LIST OUT ALL OF THE CONDITIONS BECAUSE I, I DON'T WANT TO TAKE AN INFORMAL VOTE, BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE'S SO MANY CONDITIONS THAT WE WOULD WANT TO SEE IT COME AGAIN BEFORE THE COMMISSION.
AM I DO I HAVE SORT OF SOME AGREEMENT ON ON THAT? YEAH, I MEAN I, I, YEAH I HAVE UH, A LOT OF FAITH IN STAFF BUT ESPECIALLY, YOU KNOW, LIKE THE BRACKET DETAIL ON THE GARAGE, I FEELS PRETTY UNDERSIZED AND I DON'T KNOW WHERE KATIE WOULD DRAW THE LINE IN REVIEWING THOSE PROPORTIONS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, THAT I FEEL LIKE WE, IT'S A COMMISSION SHOULD PROBABLY TAKE A LOOK AT AGAIN.
SO IT SOUNDS LIKE WE'RE LEANING TOWARDS PROBABLY A, A MOTION TO DENY OR POTENTIALLY TABLE IT.
SO I, I AM NOT ARGUING THAT POINT IN THE SLIGHTEST.
THAT IS ABSOLUTELY UP TO Y'ALL.
UM, THE APPLICANT, IF THE APPLICANT REQUESTS TO TABLE IT, IT IS SOMETHING THAT DEFINITELY CAN HAPPEN.
THE OTHER OPTION IS IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO, UM, IF THERE'S CLEAR DIRECTION IT COULD BE APPROVED WITH CONDITIONS THAT IT IS BROUGHT BACK TO HPRC, WHICH IS THE STAR PRESERVATION REVIEW COMMITTEE, THAT THREE MEMBER SUBCOMMITTEE, UM, WITH STAFF APPROVAL FOLLOWING THEIR, THEIR OKAY TO IT.
UM, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT IS BEYOND THE SCOPE OF WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT, BUT IF IT IS JUST WANTING TO BE ABLE TO HAVE A COUPLE OTHER SETS OF EYES ON IT, THAT IS AN OPTION AS WELL.
UM, I AM TRYING TO ADD THE ITEMS THAT WERE DISCUSSED HERE SO THAT THERE'S AN IDEA.
IF I'VE MISSED SOMETHING PLEASE LET ME KNOW.
UM, ANY DISCUSSION ON THAT POINT? THE IDEA OF EITHER DENYING OR EXCUSE ME, APPROVING WITH CONDITIONS THAT IT COMES BACK BEFORE HPRC OR VERSUS COMING BACK BEFORE THE FULL COMMISSION? I'M, I'M OKAY WITH THE FIRST OPTION.
YEAH, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT'S SOMETHING THAT PLANNING COMMISSION DOES QUITE OFTEN.
SENDING IT BACK TO DRC FOR A QUICK REVIEW.
I JUST FEEL THAT THERE'S A LOT STILL NEEDED TO BE DONE FOR THIS.
UM, TO GIVE THEM THAT OPTION TO TABLE IT, TAKE CARE OF THOSE, ALL THE CONCERNS, WHETHER OR NOT THEY'RE WILLING TO SHIFT THE HOUSE TO SAVE THE TREES, TAKING CARE OF THE SHUTTERS, THE WINDOWS, ALL OF THOSE DIFFERENT THINGS.
THAT IS DEFINITELY AN OPTION AS WELL.
AND WILL WE MAKE A VOTE TO TABLE IT OR WILL WE GIVE THE APPLICANT THE OPTION TO DO SO? YOU, IF THE APPLICANT REQUESTS THAT WE TABLED YOU WOULD MOVE TO TABLE THE A APPLICATION UNTIL FURTHER INFORMATION IS PROVIDED THE APPLICANT HAVE ANY THOUGHTS ON WHETHER YOU WOULD LIKE TO TABLE IT AND REAPPLY OR COME BACK BEFORE THE COMMISSION?
UM, WE PROBABLY LIKE TO TABLE IT MORE THAN GET DENIED AND HAVE TO COME BACK.
I THINK WE'D PROBABLY BE HAPPY TO HAVE FURTHER DISCUSSION ON ANY SPECIFIC POINTS TOO.
I THINK THAT THEY MIGHT WANNA TALK MORE ABOUT THE SITE OR WHAT ELSE YOU WOULD NEED FROM US IF THEY REALLY WANTED TO KEEP IT.
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I NEED TO GET AN ARBORIST REPORT OR HOW DOES YEAH.AND THAT, LET'S DO NEXT REVIEW.
DO YOU HAVE A SPECIFIC ARBORIST LIKE THAT YOU OKAY.
CERTIFIED AND HAVE A BUSINESS LIFE? YEAH.
AND I THINK WHAT I'M HEARING THERE IS THAT MOSTLY OUR CONCERN IS THAT THE TREES ARE BEING, THAT ARE BEING SAVED IN LIEU OF TREES AT THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE.
THE TREES THAT ARE BEING SAVED IN THE BACK ARE REALLY CLOSE TO THE HOUSE AND JUST OVERALL KIND OF CONCERNED ABOUT WHICH TREES ARE BEING SAVED AND ARE THEY EVEN REALLY BEING SAVED BECAUSE OF THE PROXIMITY OF A DOWN SLAB.
HOW YOU PROTECT THE ROOT SYSTEM.
SO IF THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING TO TABLE IT, THEN YOU DON'T NEED TO SORT OF PROVE ANYTHING, CORRECT? NO.
HOWEVER, IF YOU ALL DO SEE ANYTHING THAT I HAVE MISSED IN HERE SO THAT WHEN I AM DISCUSSING WITH THE APPLICANT WHAT IT IS THAT THEY'RE RESUBMITTING, UM, I'M NOT LEAVING OUT SOMETHING THAT IS MAJOR, UM, THAT WOULD BE VERY HELPFUL.
DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY OTHER COMMENTS BESIDES WHAT KATIE'S LISTED OUT THERE? DO I CATCH IT ALL? OH, WE HAVE A SUGGESTION FOR THE FOUNDATION ON OH, SUGGEST YEAH.
SUGGESTION FOR THE FOUNDATION FOR THE HOG DANCING OR THE YEAH, STRAIGHTFORWARD FOR UM, I CAN'T TYPE SO NO, I COULDN'T FIX THAT RECOMMENDATION.
STILL CAN'T TYPE GRAY SHADOW ON THE BACK OF THE SPACE BOARDS.
IS THIS THE SAME COMPUTER I USE ALL DAY? DOES THAT SCARE YOU ALL? ANYTHING ELSE THAT MATCHES MY NOTES? OKAY.
I MEAN I THINK THAT IN THE WINDOW AND DOOR SCHEDULE IT LOOKS ALSO REVIEW THE, UM, APPLICATION OF THE DOUBLE HUNG CASEMENTS AND MAKE SURE THAT IT IS CONSISTENT AND MAKES SENSE.
UM, AND THAT THERE'S JUST ONE DOUBLE HUNG ON ITS OWN IN A WHOLE HOUSE OF CASEMENTS.
I CAN'T, I GIVE UP Y'ALL EVERY, I MEAN EVERY WORD DON'T NEED, WE DON'T NEED THIS TO MAKE THE MOTION RIGHT? NO, THIS IS JUST FOR NED.
WOULD IT BE APPROPRIATE TO SUGGEST THAT THE ARCHITECT COULD REACH OUT TO THE HPRC FOR FURTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS? THEY CAN REACH OUT TO ME AND I AM HAPPY TO PASS ON THAT THROUGH.
ALRIGHT, SO IF, IF A MOTION WOULD BE MADE, I WOULD ENCOURAGE THE MOTION TO SOUND SOMETHING ALONG THE LINES OF I MOVE TO TABLE THE APPLICATION FOR THE APPLICANT TO ADDRESS THE CONDITIONS AS LISTED IN THE STAFF REPORT AND AS DISCUSSED DURING THE AUGUST 14TH HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION MEETING, I'M LOOKING FOR A MOTION THEN LITERALLY BE SO MOVED.
STATED SECOND FOR COMMISSIONER FRAZIER.
UH, THEN THE MOTION PASSES TO TABLE THE, UH, THE APPLICATION.
THAT'S ALL THE NEW BUSINESS WE HAVE DISCUSSION
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AND HISTORIC DISTRICT MONTHLY UPDATE.UH, THE MONTHLY UPDATE FOR ALL OF THE, MOSTLY I THINK THEY'RE ALL SITE FEATURES.
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THAT IS NOT APPROVED IS ONE THAT IS ON HOLD WAITING FOR BUSINESS LICENSE TO GET UPDATED APPROPRIATELY.SO, UM, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? QUESTIONS? ALRIGHT.
I GOT FOR A MOTION TO ADJOURN.