* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:01] CLOSED CAPTIONING PROVIDED BY BUFORT COUNTY. ADOPT THE AGENDA. [4. ADOPTION OF AGENDA] MAY I GET SOMEONE TO ADOPT THE AGENDA? I MOVE THAT WE ADOPT THE AGENDA WITH, UM, ITEM NUMBER EIGHT, AND IT'S PUBLIC COMMENT DELETED. I'LL SECOND IT. SO IT'S BEEN PROPERLY MADE TO ADOPT THE AGENDA WITH THOSE CONDITIONS. UM, ALL IN FAVOR CHANGES. THANK YOU. UM, APPROVAL [5. APPROVAL OF MINUTES - June 27, 2024] OF THE MINUTES. EVERYONE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW THE JUNE 27TH MEETING? YES. YEAH. UH, LET'S SEE. SO CAN I GET SOMEONE TO MAKE THAT MOTION TO ADOPT? GO AHEAD. I MOVE. WE ADOPT THE, UH, MINUTES OF OUR LAST MEETING ON JUNE 27TH, 27TH. SECONDED. IT'S PROPERLY MADE TO APPROVE THOSE MINUTES. AND SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? MOVED. UH, IS ANYONE IN HERE FOR A PUBLIC COMMENT THAT HAVEN'T FILLED OUT ONE OF THESE FORMS? IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON ANY ITEM FOR PUBLIC COMMENT, IF YOU WOULD SEE THE, UH, TABLE WHERE THE ADMINISTRATOR, WHERE THE, UH, STAFF IS, THAT YOU CAN RECEIVE THOSE, UH, PUBLIC COMMENT FORMS THERE. KNOW THAT PUBLIC COMMENT IS UP TO THREE MINUTES. JUST TO BE CLEAR, THAT PUBLIC COMMENT IS UP TO THREE MINUTES FOR THOSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO BE A PART OF THE, UH, PUBLIC COMMENT. SO, IF THAT BEING SAID, WE ARE GONNA MOVE [6. Lisa Prutsman is requesting a Special Use Permit for a Lodging, Short-Term Rental Unit. The property is located at 129 Sea Pines Drive, St. Helena Island. The property is zoned T2-Rural (T2R). (Continued from last month's meeting)] ON TO ITEM NUMBER SIX. LISA KURTZMAN RECUSE MYSELF. NOTE THAT MR. UH, UM, MITCHELL WILL BE RECUSING HIMSELF FROM ITEM NUMBER SIX, SEVEN AND 10. SEVEN SIX. OKAY. HE'LL BE RECUSING FROM ITEM NUMBER SIX AND ITEM NUMBER 10. OKAY. ITEM NUMBER SIX. UH, IS THAT CHECKED? RE DON'T GO FIRST. GOOD EVENING, MR. CHAIRMAN. LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, IT'S GOOD TO SEE Y'ALL AGAIN. I'M CHESTER WILLIAMS. I'M AN ATTORNEY FROM HILTON HEAD ISLAND. AND, UM, I THANK Y'ALL FOR YOUR SERVICE HERE. I SAT UP THERE WHERE Y'ALL ARE SITTING NOW FOR I THINK 16 YEARS. KEVIN, MR. MR. CHAIRMAN WAS THERE WHEN I STARTED. YES, I WAS. AND HE'S SO, SO, SO I UNDERSTAND THE, WHAT Y'ALL GO THROUGH TO DO THIS, AND I APPRECIATE IT VERY MUCH. UM, I'M HERE THIS EVENING REPRESENTING JOHN AND LISA PRESMAN, WHO FILED AN APPLICATION FOR A SHORT TERM RENTAL AT THEIR HOUSE ON SEA PINES DRIVE. UM, THE COUNTY STAFF HAS GONE BACK AND FORTH A COUPLE OF TIMES WITH RECOMMENDATIONS, UM, BECAUSE AT ONE POINT THEY HAD CHANGED THINKING THAT THERE WERE SOME APPLICABLE COVENANTS THAT PROHIBITED SHORT TERM RENTALS. THERE, THERE ARE NO APPLICABLE COVENANTS ON THIS PROPERTY. IN FACT, THERE ARE NO RESTRICTIVE COVENANTS AT ALL ON THIS PROPERTY. UH, HAD MR. PRESSMAN SENDING ME A COPY OF HIS TITLE INSURANCE POLICY FROM WHEN THEY BOUGHT THE PROPERTY? NO REFERENCE TO RESTRICTIONS AT ALL. UH, HAD HIM SEND ME A COPY OF THE TITLE EXAMINATION THAT WAS DONE BEFORE THEY BOUGHT THE PROPERTY. ALL IT SAYS IS THE COVENANTS EXPIRED JANUARY 1ST, 2000. SO THE COUNTY STAFF HAS RECOMMENDED APPROVAL SINCE IT MEETS ALL THE CRITERIA FOR A SHORT TERM RENTAL. UH, WE AGREE, UH, MR. PRESSMAN IS HERE IN CASE Y'ALL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR HIM. UH, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME, BUT OTHERWISE, I THINK THAT'S OUR CASE THERE. YES. DO ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. WILLIAMS? NO QUESTIONS. THANK YOU MR. WILLIAMS. THANK YOU. WE'LL CALL YOU BACK OUT. UM, DO THE STAFF, WOULD THE STAFF LIKE TO SAY ANYTHING ON THIS? UM, I, I ADDED, UH, UH, CONDITION BEING PLACED ON, BECAUSE IT'S ON THE BEACH AND THE, THE COUNTY DOES HAVE THAT BEACH OVERLAY THAT HAS THE PROTECTION FOR THE TURTLES BETWEEN MAY IN OCTOBER. AND I'D LIKE THAT TO START BINA IF WE APPROVE IT, A CONDITION TO THESE BEACH, UM, PROPERTY THAT [00:05:01] THE APPLICANTS NOTIFY THEIR RENTERS THAT THESE ARE CONDITIONS THAT NEEDS TO BE APPLIED DURING THOSE MONTHS. OKAY. THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE COUNTY? IF, IF I MAY, MR. CHAIRMAN, UH, MR. MRS. PRESSMAN ARE AWARE OF THOSE, UH, THOSE ISSUES AND THEY HAVE NO PROBLEM AT ALL WITH HAVING THOSE REQUIREMENTS BE PART, UH, CONDITIONS OF THE APPROVAL HERE. THANK YOU, SIR. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. WE WILL OPEN UP PUBLIC COMMENT. MARTIN HKA FOR THIS. THANKS FOR ALLOWING ME TO SPEAK. UM, I LIVE ON 1 3 5 SEA PINES DRIVE. UM, LATELY I'VE SEEN A WHOLE BUNCH OF HOUSES COME UP FOR AN EXEMPTION. UM, ONE OF THE REASONS I READ THE PAPER, HILTON HAD ALL KIND OF PLACES ARE LOOKING TO SAVE THE RESIDENTIAL AREA AND NOT HAVE, NOT HAVE AN A, UH, EXEMPTION. SO, UM, TO ME AN EXEMPTION IS IF'S AN IF THERE'S A EXIT, YOU KNOW, AN EVENT THAT HAS TO BE OVERCOME FROM WHAT THE CODE IS. THE CODE WAS TO BE, UM, FOR RESIDENTIAL AND NOT HAVE SHORT TERM RENTALS. SO MY, MY QUESTION IS, IF WE KEEP MAKING EXCEPTIONS TO THE RULE, WE'LL HAVE NO RULE. AND ALONG THE WAY WE, I'VE SEEN A WHOLE NUMBER OF CASES COMING THROUGH, SO I WOULD REQUEST THAT WE REJECT THIS AND MAINTAIN THAT AREA, ALL OF SEA PINE'S AREA TO BE RESIDENTIAL AND NOT BREAK WITH THE CODE. JUST CONTINUE WITH THE CODE THAT'S IN PLACE. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU, SIR. ARNOLD HOLLIS. HELLO, EVERYBODY. UM, I LIVE ON 2 0 1 MC TIER AND, UM, I DON'T THINK THIS IS THE PLACE FOR SHORT TERM. I REALLY DON'T BELIEVE IT. AND THE AREA THAT I LIVE IN AND AREA WHERE, UM, MARTY LIVES IN AREA, PRETTY MUCH EVERYBODY IS ELDERLY AND WE, MOST OF US LIVE ON THE WATER. WE DO NOT NEED A LOT OF RUCKUS GOING ON IN OUR AGE. SO I I I'M NOT IN FAVOR OF THIS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU, SIR. UH, CAROL MILLER. HI, I'M CAROL MILLER AND I RESIDE AT, UH, MY HUSBAND AND I ARE OWN THE HOUSE AT 1 97 AND WE RESIDE THERE FOR THE LAST 27 YEARS ON SEA PINES. AND, UM, I BELIEVE THESE TWO GENTLEMEN YOU JUST SPOKE ARE ON THE OTHER END OF PAST JEANETTE, WHERE COVENANTS DO APPLY ON OUR END OF SEA PINES. UH, WHERE I AM, COVENANTS DO NOT APPLY. AND I'VE HAD, I'VE BEEN THERE FOR 27 YEARS AND WE'VE HAD MORE PROBLEMS WITH PEOPLE WHO RESIDE IN THE AREA AND WE HAVE THEIR GOLF CARTS THAN PEOPLE WHO ARE RENTING. I'VE HAD NO PROBLEM WITH RENTERS. UM, I FIND THEM TO BE, UH, UH, YOU KNOW, INVIGORATING AND NICE TO HAVE AROUND, UH, ESPECIALLY DURING THE OFF SEASON WHEN YOU, THERE'S RENTERS AND THERE'S PEOPLE OUT THERE. 'CAUSE A LOT OF THESE PEOPLE, UH, GO UP NORTH OR SOMEPLACE ELSE IN OUR EARN AROUND. I'M THERE FULL TIME AND I HAVEN'T SEEN NO PROBLEM WITH THE RENTERS. UM, I DO, AS FAR AS THE TURTLES, I'M ON THAT THING. I, I DO THE T TURTLES EVERY SUNDAY MORNING. I'M ONE OF THE VOLUNTEERS AND YEAH, I'D LIKE TO MAKE SURE THAT ALL THE RENTERS KNOW ABOUT THAT. SO THEY DON'T HAVE SPOTLIGHTS THERE. BUT REALLY THERE'S MORE PROBLEM WITH LOCALS AND PEOPLE WHO USE THE BEACH AND GOLF CARTS AND OF COURSE CHICKENS. THEN, UH, THE PROBLEMS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD THEN, THEN WITH RENTERS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ALEXANDRIA. HELLO, I'M ALEXANDRA LONZA. I'M AT MY HUSBAND AND I, CRAIG LIVE AT ONE 17 C PINES DRIVE. AND, UM, I'VE BEEN HERE BEFORE AND I WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT I AGREE WITH THE GENTLEMAN THAT CAME UP EARLIER THAT, UM, WE LIVE IN A QUIET NEIGHBORHOOD AND STR IS SHORT-TERM RENTAL IS A, IS, UH, AN EXEMPTION. AND I THINK THAT OUR AREA IS DESIGNED NOT TO HAVE EXEMPTIONS. AND SO THE FACT THAT WE'RE ASKING FOR AN EXEMPTION ALL THE TIME MAKES IT FEEL LIKE WE'RE TRYING TO CHANGE THE RULES. AND THAT'S NOT WHERE WE BOUGHT. UM, THE [00:10:01] RENTERS DISREGARD OUR NATURAL ENVIRONMENT, INCLUDING THE 40 TURTLE NEST AND THE LIGHTS OUT POLICY. I KNOW THAT THE, UM, THAT RENTERS ARE INFORMED ABOUT THE LIGHTS OUT POLICIES. WE KNOW THAT, UM, UH, HIGH TIDE VACATIONS THAT HAS THIS RENTAL NEXT TO ME POSTED, UM, HAS SIGNAGE THAT THEY NEED TO KEEP THE LIGHTS OUT. BUT I THINK THE RENTERS DISREGARD THAT. AND IF THERE WAS MAYBE MORE TEETH IN THE PROGRAM TO SAY THAT IF YOU'RE RENTING AND YOUR RENTER LEAVES THEIR LIGHTS ON DURING TURTLE SEASON, THEN THEIR STR COULD BE REVOKED, THEN THAT KIND OF MAKES MORE SENSE BECAUSE IT'S, IT IS TRUE THAT EVERYONE'S AWARE OF THAT AND THAT IT IS POSTED AND IT IS PUT UP ON THE RENTAL, ON THE RENTAL WEBSITES. AND I THINK OUR, I ALSO BELIEVE THAT OUR RENTERS DISREGARD OUR NEIGHBORHOOD'S PRIVACY AND SAFETY. AND WE LIKE KNOWING WHO LIVES NEAR US. UM, WE ARE NOT A FULL-TIME, BUT WE'RE THERE. WE DON'T RENT, WE DON'T EVEN HAVE GUESTS BECAUSE WE CONSIDER IT OUR PRIVATE LITTLE PIECE OF PARADISE THAT WE REALLY DON'T WANNA SHARE WITH ANYONE BECAUSE LESS THEY SEE THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND DECIDE TO WANNA MOVE. SO IT'S A SECRET WE'RE KEEPING TO OURSELVES. AND I THINK THAT IS A CHALLENGE THAT RENTERS BRING TO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD TOO, THAT THEY DON'T HAVE THE RESPECT FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE PRIVACY AND THE SAFETY OF EVERYONE THAT NEEDS TO PROTECT EACH OTHER. WE ARE MORE THAN 30 MINUTES AWAY FOR A POLICE CALL. SO IT ISN'T REALLY SOMETHING THAT WE EVER REALLY WANNA ENCOURAGE AT ALL. THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY, BUT I'M AGAINST THE STR IN GENERAL. THANK YOU. THANK YOU RICHARD. NEIL, RICHARD AND TINA NEIL. WE LIVE AT 1 31 SEA PINES. WE ARE OPPOSED TO THE SHORT-TERM RENTAL AT 1 29 SEA PINES. UM, WE OBJECT TO A PARADE OF VACATIONERS AND PARTY GOERS IN AND OUT OF THE HOME ON A WEEKLY BASIS. OUR HOME IS OUR PERMANENT HOME, AND WE'VE LIVED THERE FOR OVER 26 YEARS. I AM A LOCAL, I'VE LIVED IN BEAUFORT ALL MY LIFE, SO I'M VERY FAMILIAR WITH IT. UM, WE CHOSE TO LIVE THERE BECAUSE WE BELIEVE THAT IT WAS A RURAL, QUIET AND A PRISTINE ENVIRONMENT. NOW, WE DON'T THINK THAT THE SHORT TERM RENTAL PEOPLE UNDERSTAND OR APPRECIATE THAT WE HAVE A SHORT TERM RENTAL DOWN THE BEACH. IT'S AT ONE 19 SEA PINES DRIVE. I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT HAPPENED, AND I DON'T QUITE UNDERSTAND THE WORKINGS HERE. MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT IT IS A ZONED WITHOUT SHORT TERM RENTALS. AND YET HERE WE ARE. WE HAVE, UM, WE HAVE THE, I WAS HERE LAST MONTH FOR THIS. SO WE, WE, WE DON'T BELIEVE THAT I WALK TO BEACH EVERY MORNING. AND THAT ONE 19 IS EASY TO FIND. AND IT'S THE ONE WITH THE BEER CANS ON THE BEACH. THE BEER BOTTLES ON MORE THAN ONE OCCASION, I HAVE PICKED THEM UP AND THROWN THEM BACK IN THEIR YARD. THEY GO FISHING. I UNDERSTAND THAT. NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT. THEY PUT THESE SURF SPIKES IN THE GROUND FOR IT TO HOLD THEIR RODS. THAT'S OKAY TOO. BUT THEY LEAVE THEM OUT THERE FOR THREE OR FOUR DAYS. AND AS, AS YOU'VE SEEN, WE HAVE 40 TURTLE NESTS. IT'S A RECORD THIS YEAR. AND WE DON'T NEED BARRIERS FOR THE TURTLE NESTS IN SURF SPIKES. THEY CATCH FISH. I'VE WITNESSED THIS. THEY THROW THE FISH ON THE BEACH. THEY JUST DON'T KNOW ANY BETTER. THEY DON'T TAKE IT HOME AND EAT IT. THEY DON'T THROW IT BACK IN ORDER. LEAVE IT TO DIE ON THE, ON THE BEACH. I'VE WATCHED ALL THIS HAPPEN. UH, I PROMISE YOU THE LOCAL PEOPLE WOULD NOT DO THAT. WE'RE JUST ASKING YOU TO DENY THIS SPECIAL PERMIT SO THAT WE CAN HAVE THE PEACE AND ENJOYMENT OF OUR HOME. IF I MAY, I HAVE A COUPLE OF LETTERS HERE. UH, ONE IS FROM LINDA STRAUSER. UH, LINDA IS AN ELDERLY LADY THAT LIVES THERE ON THE BEACH. SHE COULDN'T MAKE IT TONIGHT. SHE LIVES AT 1 41 SEA PINES. UH, SHE SAYS, I'VE OWNED THIS PROPERTY. UM, UH, LET'S SEE. SO I LIVE AT 1 41. THIS HAS BEEN MY FAMILY HOME FOR OVER 20 YEARS. UH, BY WAY OF THIS LETTER, I WOULD LIKE TO STATE MY OPPOSITION TO THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT ON SHORT TERM RENTALS BEING REQUESTED AT 1 29 SEA PINES DRIVE. I ALSO HAVE A LETTER FROM MARTY LINDER. MARTY. [00:15:01] MARTY GOT A CASE OF SHINGLES AND HE'S NOT, UH, BEING GONNA BE ABLE TO MAKE IT THE NIGHT. ALTHOUGH I'M UNABLE TO ATTEND THIS MEETING IN PERSON. PLEASE ACCEPT THIS LETTER AS MY ATTENDANCE AND OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK AGAINST THE SHORT-TERM RENTALS IN COFFIN POINT. COMMUNITY COFFIN POINT IS NOT A GATED COMMUNITY SUCH AS DAL WITH THE RULES, REGULATIONS, GOVERNING AND ENFORCING BOARDS, ET CETERA. CONSEQUENTLY, TONIGHT'S MEETING IS OUR ONLY OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK TO THE OPPOSITION OF THE SHORT TERM RENTAL AND SUBSEQUENTLY THE COMMERCIAL COMMERCIALIZATION OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. IT IS, UH, IT IS OUR HOPE THE BOARD WILL CONTINUE THE PRECEDENCE THAT WAS SET LAST MONTH BY DENYING 40 SEA PINES DRIVE. I THOUGHT THAT WAS 50. IS IT 40? 40 OR 50? AND DENYING ONE 11 AND ONE 13 SEA PINES DRIVE IN THE SUMMER OF 2022. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. CAN I EXCUSE ME? YES. CRAIG CROSSON. SORRY FOR GETTING THE NOTICE THEN. A LITTLE LATE. THE BRIDGE WAS OPENING UP WHEN WE WERE TRYING TO COME ACROSS. OKAY. SO AGAIN, THANK YOU FOR HEARING OURSELVES. MY WIFE AND I, UH, AT THIS MEETING. UH, AS I SAID LAST TIME, WE LIVE AT 1 37 SEA PINES DRIVE. WE'VE BEEN THERE FOR 13 YEARS NOW. UH, YOU KNOW, COFFIN POINT, UM, THE RESIDENTS THERE, IT'S A UNIQUE, DIVERSE COMMUNITY. BUT THE ONE THING THAT BINDS IT REALLY ALL TOGETHER IS THAT THEY ARE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES FOR FAMILIES. AND THIS IS REALLY WHY WE BOUGHT THERE. IT'S WHY YOU HEARD EVERYONE ELSE TALK ABOUT THE SINGLE FAMILY NATURE, THE COMMUNITY NATURE, AND UNFORTUNATELY THE SHORT TERM RENTALS CAN AND HAVE DISRUPTED THAT WE, YOU'VE HEARD ABOUT BEER BOTTLES, YOU'VE HEARD ABOUT PARTYING, YOU'VE HEARD ABOUT CHALLENGES WITH SEA TURTLES. BUT IT, IT GOES BEYOND THAT. IT'S JUST PE VISITORS DON'T UNDERSTAND UNTIL YOU'VE HAD IT EXPLAINED TO YOU HOW FRAGILE THE ECOLOGY IS OF THOSE DUNES. AND IF THE DUNES FAIL IN ONE AREA, IT AFFECTS US ALL BECAUSE THE WATER JUST COMES THROUGH AND POURS IN TO EVERYBODY'S YARD. AND SO IT'S INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT THAT WE THE RESIDENTS OF THAT AREA MANAGE THIS FRAGILE ECONOMY, UH, ECOLOGY. EXCUSE ME. UH, AS YOU ALSO HEARD, WE'RE AT THE END OF THE ROAD IF THERE IS A PROBLEM. YOU KNOW, WE'RE 30, 45 MINUTES AWAY FROM ANY HELP. I KNOW I'VE HAD TO CALL EMS AND IT'S NOT THE FACT THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE DOING A BAD JOB. IT'S JUST WHERE WE ARE. AND SO THAT NEEDS TO BE TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION. AS YOU'VE HEARD, WE'RE NOT A GATED COMMUNITY. AND AGAIN, I THINK YOU'VE HEARD A NUMBER OF ARGUMENTS TONIGHT WHY THIS SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED. I'M NOT GONNA REPEAT THEM ANYMORE, BUT I WOULD JUST ASK YOU TO CONSIDER THAT WE DON'T HAVE THE COVENANTS. WE DON'T HAVE AN HOA, BUT WE DO HAVE THE ZONING AND CONTROL BOARD TO ACT IN OUR BEST INTEREST. SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU. STILL ANYONE ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON ITEM NUMBER SIX? SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, WE CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT, UM, JUST LIKE TO KNOW THAT WE TAKE ALL PUBLIC COMMENT INTO CONSIDERATION AND, UM, THE BOARD WILL MAKE A DETERMINATION ON TODAY. MR. CHAIR, WOULD YOU LIKE TO SAY SOMETHING IF I MAY? CHAIRMAN, JUST A COUPLE OF ISSUES IN RESPONSE. UM, A COUPLE OF SPEAKERS REFER TO THIS BEING AN EXCEPTION AND, AND IT'S NOT AN EXCEPTION. YOU KNOW, THE FIRST GENTLEMAN WHO SPOKE SAID, JUST USE THE CODE THAT'S IN PLACE. AND, AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE. THESE PROVISIONS ARE IN THE CODE NOW. THEY'VE BEEN IN THE CODE FOR FOUR YEARS NOW AND IT'S NOT AN EXCEPTION. IT'S A SPECIAL USE PERMIT. AND SPECIAL USES ARE PRESUMPTIVELY PERMITTED USES. UH, AND, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT PEOPLE LIKE TO PRESERVE THEIR SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL USES, BUT THESE ARE PROVISIONS IN THE CODE THAT ALL CITIZENS WHO THEY'RE APPLICABLE TO ARE ABLE TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF. I DIDN'T HEAR ANYBODY SAY ANYTHING THAT THIS APPLICATION DOESN'T MEET THE CRITERIA THAT ARE SET OUT IN THE CODE. THAT BEING THE CASE, THE COUNTY STAFF AGREES THAT IT OUGHT TO BE APPROVED AND WE AGREE THAT IT OUGHT TO BE APPROVED. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, SIR. SO, PUBLIC COMMENT HAS BEEN CLOSED. UM, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, BASED ON THE INFORMATION THAT'S BEFORE [00:20:01] US AND THE TESTIMONY WE'VE HEARD, WE'VE ALREADY HEARD FROM THE COUNTY, UM, I WOULD SAY THAT I DID HEAR FROM THE, UM, NEIGHBORS TALKING THAT THE PROPOSED USE IS NOT COMPATIBLE WITH THE CHARACTER LAND IN THE IMMEDIATE VICINITY. SO I WOULD HAVE A, UM, GO AGAINST THAT ONE THAT THEY DON'T MEET THE REQUIREMENTS FOR THE SPECIAL USE. ANYONE ELSE? WELL, I TEND TO AGREE ON THE BASIS THAT IT, IT SEEMS TO BE CHANGING THE CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. IT IS A VARIATION FOR A COMMERCIAL USE. THAT WAS HOW IT WAS DEFINED WHEN IT WAS WRITTEN. SO, UM, IF IT WAS A BLANKET OPEN FOR EVERYBODY TO HAVE 'EM WOULD'VE SAID THAT, WELL, WOULD ANYONE LIKE THE POLICE OF MOTION ON THE FLOOR? I MOVE THAT WE DENY THE SPECIAL USE BECAUSE THE, UM, PROPOSED USE IS NOT COMPATIBLE WITH THE CHARACTER OF THE LAND IN THE IMMEDIATE VICINITY. I'D SECOND MA'AM. SO IT'S A MOTION TO DENY THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT MADE. AND SECOND, ALL IN FAVOR OF DENYING SPECIAL USE. SO THEREFORE YOU HAVE A TIE. IT'S THREE AND THREE. SO THAT MEANS THE MOTION, YOU HAVE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE IT AND THEN IT'LL TIE AND THEN IT'LL NOT PASS BECAUSE IT DIDN'T HAVE ENOUGH TO PASS , IT FAILS. WHAT WOULD YOU DO NOW? WELL, IF SOMEONE WENT TO PUT A MOTION ON THE FLOOR TO, WELL, YOU WOULD BE THE SAME PLACE. SOMEONE WAY TO PUT A MOTION ON THE FLOOR TO APPROVE. WE STILL HAD A TIE. SO, BUT THEN IT WOULD FAIL BECAUSE IT DIDN'T PASS. ONE OF YOU GUYS LIKE TO PUT A MOTION ON THE FLOOR TOO. APPROVE THE ONE THAT DID NOT FAVOR VOTE IN FAVOR OF. I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT FOR SHORT-TERM RENTAL AND THAT IT ALSO HAS TO COMPLY WITH THE, UH, RESTRICTIONS DURING TURTLE SEASON. MAY THE FIRST TILL OCTOBER THE 31ST. NO. CAN I SECOND IT? SO IT'S BEEN MADE TO APPROVE PROPERLY MADE TO APPROVE. AND SECOND, ALL IN FAVOR OF APPROVING THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT SIGNIFY BY RAISING YOUR HAND. SO AT THIS POINT, I MEAN YOU HAVE TO ASK WHO VOTES TO DENY. SO WHO ALL DENIED? WHO, WHO ALL NOT IN FAVOR OF IT. NOT IN FAVOR. SO IT STILLS FAIL. YEAH. THE MOTION STILL FAILS. MM-HMM. . SO IT'S DENIED. AT THE END OF THE DAY, THE MOTION HAS BEEN DENIED. IT, IT FAILS. SO, MR. WILLIAMS? YES. AT THIS POINT THE MOTION FAILS. SO IN THIS SITUATION AND THE BOARD HAS NOT TAKEN ANY ACTION AT ALL? CORRECT? AND SO, UH, I'D CARRY IT OVER TILL NEXT MONTH. THEN WE'RE ALL HERE. WHAT, WHAT I DON'T SEE ANYTHING DIFFERENT HAPPEN NEXT MONTH. I, I, I'D LIKE TO KNOW THE REASON WHY MR. MITCHELL RECUSED HIMSELF. WELL, YOU KNOW, I DON'T EVEN HAVE A, A LETTER STATING WHY HE ACCUSED HIMSELF, BUT HE ACCUSED HIMSELF. HE ACCUSED HIMSELF HIS, I DON'T WANT TALK ABOUT IT IN, IN HERE. OKAY. BUT ALRIGHT, WE'LL TALK ABOUT IT THEN. WE'LL TALK ABOUT IT LATER ON. BUT AT THIS POINT, THE BOARD IS TAKING NO ACTION PROCEDURE. IT'S A LOT. I MEAN, WE CAN PUT IT ON THE AGENDA FOR, FOR NEXT WEEK, I MEAN, FOR NEXT MONTH. BUT, UH, UNTIL WE GET SOME CLARIFICATION ON, ON, ON MR. MITCHELL, BECAUSE YEAH. OTHER THAN THAT, I MEAN, I, I SEE THE SAME RESULTS. YEAH, I SAW MR. HOLBERT HERE EARLIER. I DON'T SEE HIM NOW, BUT I'LL BE GLAD TO TALK TO MR. HOLBERT ABOUT IT. OKAY? ALRIGHT. THANK YOU SIR. ALRIGHT, THANKS. MM-HMM, . SO WE MOVE TO ITEM NUMBER 10. REVEREND JAMES LEWIS, WHO WAS ALSO, COULD YOU JUST CLARIFY FOR US, HAS IT BEEN DEFERRED OR HAS IT BEEN? WELL, WE ARE GONNA CONTINUE THIS TO OUR NEXT SCHEDULE MEETING. OH, NO. HOWEVER, IT'S, IT'S IT, [00:25:01] THE MOTION FAILS. THE MOTION ACTUALLY FAILED. BUT UNTIL WE GET CLARIFICATION WHY ONE OF OUR OTHER BOARD MEMBERS RECUSED HIMSELF. I DON'T, YOU HAVE TO HAVE YOUT HAVE TO HAVE, HAVE ANY CLARIFICATION. THAT'S HIS OWN PERSONAL WAS NOT ON THE BOARD LAST MONTH BECAUSE HE DID NOT PUT HIS REAPPOINTMENT LETTER IN. MM-HMM. . SO HE DID NOT GET ANY OF THIS PACKAGE. HE WAS NOT HERE LAST MONTH. SO HE DID NOT GET ANYTHING. HE CANNOT COME IN TODAY AND SAY, OH, I WANT TO VOTE ON THIS. IT'S A CONTINUATION. HE HAS NOT BEEN REAPPOINTED TO THE BOARD AS YET. NO. OKAY. BECAUSE COUNTY COUNCIL HAS NOT VOTED ON HIS REAPPOINTMENT. SO THAT'S WHY HE WAS NOT HERE LAST MONTH. SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, IT IT OVER SO HE, IT FILLS NO NEED TO CARRY THIS ON, ON THIS CASE OVER OR THE CASE AFTER THIS. OKAY. SO NO NEED TO CARRY THIS OVER THEN. RIGHT? SO WHAT IS THE DECISION THEN? IT FAILS. WELL, THE MOTION, THE MOTION YOU CAN APPEAL IT. GO AHEAD MR. THE MOTION TO DENY FAILED. MM-HMM. . AND THE MOTION TO APPROVE FAILED. THE BOARD HAS TO TAKE POSITIVE ACTION ON AN APPLICATION. AND YOU HAVEN'T TAKEN ANY ACTION YET. WAIT A MINUTE. AND I, I'D SUGGEST THAT MR. MITCHELL SERVES UNTIL HIS REPLACEMENT BEING QUALIFIED DID NOT REAPPOINTMENT. YEAH. I, I'LL LET, LET BEEN ON BOARD FOUR MONTHS. LEMME TALK TO, TO BRIAN ABOUT IT. OKAY? YEAH. THE BOARD, THE BOARD SIMPLY HASN'T TAKEN ANY ACTION AT THIS POINT. HOLD ON JUST A SECOND. WE'RE GONNA GET SOME, UH, THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN. MAY I APPROACH? YES, YOU MAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. MY NAME IS CHARLES ATKINSON. I'M THE DIVISION DIRECTOR, UM, DEVELOPMENT SERVICES BEAUFORT COUNTY. ALL THE STAFF THAT ARE HERE ARE, UM, UNDER MY PURVIEW. IT IS STAFF'S. UM, UNDERSTANDING THAT WHEN YOU HAVE A TIE VOTE, THE MOTION FAILS. MM-HMM. WHEN THE MOTION FAILS, IT IS A DENIED APPLICATION. IF, IF THEY WOULD LIKE TO APPEAL THAT, OR IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEEK FURTHER GUIDANCE THROUGH COUNSEL, YOU ARE MORE THAN WELCOME TO DO THAT. BUT IT IS STAFF'S CONTENTION THAT BECAUSE YOU HAD A TIE VOTE, THE MOTION FAILS AND THE APPLICATION IS DENIED. SO IF HE WERE TO APPEAL THAT, DO HE COME CIRCUIT COURT? OKAY. THAT'S WHAT I WAS GETTING TO. OKAY. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN. COULD YOU, SO FOR THE RECORD, WHAT THE RESULTS ARE? IT FAILED. OH, SORRY. THANK YOU. OH, SORRY. . UM, MR. CHAIR, WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO DO? WOULD YOU, I MEAN, 'CAUSE OBVIOUSLY IT FAILED. SO DO YOU WANNA APPEAL? BUT, BUT THE BOARD NEVER, THERE WERE TWO THINGS THAT FAILED. MR. CHAIRMAN. A MOTION TO DENY FAILED. MM-HMM. . SO IT WASN'T DENIED. A MOTION TO APPROVE FAILED. SO IT WASN'T APPROVED. SO IT WAS NEITHER AND YET IN A TIE VOTE LIKE THAT, THE MOTION FAILED. THAT ROBERT'S RULES. NO, WE, WELL, SO ONE MOMENT. SO SINCE YOU HAVEN'T APPROVED IT AND YOU HAVEN'T DENIED IT, YOU HAVEN'T TAKEN ANY ACTION AND IT'S STILL AN EXTANT LIVE APPLICATION. THE ADMINISTRATORS JUST WORKED IT WELL AT THIS POINT BECAUSE IT DENIED IT. IT, IT FAILED. I MEAN, BUT YOU ARE RIGHT. BUT THE DENIAL FAILED FIRST. RIGHT? OKAY. THE APPROVAL FAILED SECOND MM-HMM. . SO THE CODE SAYS THE BOARD HAS TO EITHER APPROVE OR DENY. THE BOARD HAS DONE NEITHER. AND SO I SAY IT'S STILL A LIVE APPLICATION. LEMME TALK TO BRIAN HALBERT ABOUT IT AND WE'LL COME BACK NEXT MONTH AND SEE WHERE WE ARE. SO, I'M, I'M SORRY, WHAT'D YOU SAY? EVAN? I BELIEVE THAT THE MATTER WOULD BE DECIDED NOW THAT, UH, IF ANYTHING GOES MOTION, BUT YOU'RE, IT'S ALSO, BUT YOU'RE OBVIOUSLY NOT GOING TO DECIDE IT NOW BECAUSE IT'S A THREE THREE VOTE BOTH WAYS. WHAT? THE APPROVAL WAS FAILED AND THE DENIAL FAILED. THE DENIAL FAILED FIRST. I THINK THAT MIGHT BE A MATTER YOU HAVE TO TAKE OVER THE CIRCUIT COURT. YEAH. WELL, THERE, BUT THERE'S NOTHING TO APPEAL NOW BECAUSE THE BOARD HAS NOT YET TAKEN ACTION BY, BY RULE OF THIS. EXCUSE ME, SIR. NO, I'LL, I SUGGEST WE CARRY THIS OVER. GIVE ME AN OPPORTUNITY TO TALK TO MR. HALBERT AND WE'LL DECIDE WHICH WAY TO GO. COUNTY ADMINISTRATIVE STAFF. UM, I WISH WE HAD AN ATTORNEY HERE TO TALK TO. UM, I I CAN'T HEAR YOU [00:30:05] TO APPROVE IT. IF YOU TO MAKE ANOTHER MOTION TO APPROVE. 'CAUSE WE TAKING THE EXECUTIVE WHO, WHO WE WANT TALK TO THAT A REASON LEGAL. UM, SO AT THIS POINT, WOULDN'T, I THINK I MADE ANOTHER MOTION. THERE WAS A PROMOTION FLOOR TO APPROVE IT. , WE NEED SOME LEGAL ADVICE. YEAH. AT THIS POINT, WE NEED, I WOULD, UH, RECOMMEND THAT WE DO DEFER THIS UNTIL OUR NEXT MEETING SO THAT WE CAN GET LEGAL COUNSEL ON THIS. I THINK THAT WOULD BE THE BEST. THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN. BEST APPROACH AT THIS POINT, KEVIN, COULD I, UM, SAY THAT IF WE GET LEGAL COUNSEL AND THEY SAY THAT IT HAS BEEN DENIED, THAT THEN WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT SO THAT THE NEIGHBORS WOULD NOT HAVE TO COME BACK OUT. BUT IT'S, I GUESS, AND, AND HOW WILL WE NOTIFY THE NEIGHBORS? I GUESS THAT LOOK IN THE PAPER NEXT MEETING. YEAH. UM, SIR, YOU CAN COME FORWARD. LET, LET'S SEE WHAT YOU, 'CAUSE WE NEED TO MOVE FORWARD ON THIS. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. I APOLOGIZE. I'VE FORGOTTEN THE GENTLEMAN'S NAME. THAT IS THE ADMINISTRATOR FOR THE STAFF. HE DESCRIBED TO YOU VERY CLEARLY THAT WHEN IT'S A TIE VOTE, THE APPLICATION IS DENIED. THEY MAY APPEAL THAT. AND THERE ARE MECHANISMS TO DO THAT. IT GOES THROUGH COUNTY COURT. WE JUST HEARD THE EXPLANATION. THESE ARE THE RULES OF THE BOARD THAT I UNDERST JUST HEARD. I'M NOT AN EXPERT, BUT I JUST ASK YOU TO FOLLOW THOSE RULES. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU, SIR. SO AT THIS POINT, WHAT WE ARE GONNA DO IS WE ARE GONNA DEFER THIS UN TO OUR NEXT MEETING. AND, EXCUSE ME, AND IF IT'S, IS THAT THIS MOTION FAIL, THIS WILL NOT GO ON TO OUR NEXT MEETING. HE WILL JUST HAVE TO APPEAL THIS WITH THE COURTS. SO WE WILL NOT BE HERE IF WE FIND OUT THAT AFTER SEEKING LEGAL COUNSEL THAT WE ARE IN FACT, UM, IF THIS MOTION WERE TO FAIL, THEN IT'S NOTHING THAT NO ACCIDENT THAT THIS BOARD CAN TAKE. HE CAN MOVE FORWARD AND, AND, UH, APPEAL THIS TO SOME HIGHER COURTS OR TO THE COURTS. OKAY. HOW DO WE KNOW THIS? WELL, THERE WILL BE NOTIFIED IN THE NEWSPAPER. BE NOTIFIED. YEAH, YOU ELECT IF YOU LOOK AT THIS AGENDA, IF YOU SEE IT A CONTINUATION, THEN THAT MEANS WE'LL BE BACK HERE NEXT MONTH. IF IT'S NOT A CONTINUATION, THEN THAT MEAN HE WILL HAVE TO APPEAL IT TO THE COURTS. PLEASE SEND DOWN A LETTER TO THOSE PROPERTY OWNERS. I'LL SEND OUT A LETTER IF IT'S GOING TO BE HEARD. SO IF IT'S GOING TO BE HEARD, SHE A LETTER WILL BE SENT OUT. THANK YOU. ITEM NUMBER 10, REVEREND [10. Rev. James Lewis is requesting a Special Use Permit for a Camp and Retreat Center. The property is located at 333 Brickyard Point Road S, Ladys Island. The property is zoned T2-Rural (T2R). (Continued from last month's meeting)] JAMES LEWIS. IF YOU JUST GIVE HIM A LITTLE TIME TO, FOR THOSE THAT ARE GOING TO BE LEAVING, YOU MAY. THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN, MEMBERS OF THE ZBOA. MY NAME IS WALTER NESTER AND I'M AN ATTORNEY WITH, UH, BURN FOREMAN LAW FIRM. AND WITH ME THIS EVENING IS THE REVEREND KEN WELDON OF THE ANGLICAN DIOCESE OF THE STATE OF SOUTH CAROLINA. UH, ALSO WITH ME IS MR. DAN KEEFE FROM WHITMER JONES. KEY FOR GREG BA OF WARD EDWARDS ENGINEERING. STEWART DAY AT STANTEC IS A TRAFFIC ENGINEER FOR THE PROJECT. I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY, BECAUSE WE WERE HERE LAST MONTH, BUT I WANT TO CLARIFY THAT WE ARE SEEKING TWO SPECIAL USE PERMITS, ONE FOR LODGING, AND THAT WILL BE AN INN WITH UP TO 24 ROOMS AND A MEETING FACILITY PLACE OF WORSHIP WITH 15,000 SQUARE FEET. [00:35:01] THERE HAVE BEEN A COUPLE OF ACTIONS THAT HAVE TAKEN PLACE SINCE WE LAST MET. IMPORTANTLY, THE ZBOA SPOKE AND THE APPLICANT LISTENED. ZBOA WAS CONCERNED ABOUT SOME OF THE SIZE OF THE, IN THE SIZE OF THE IN ROOMS AND THE APPLICANT SHARPENED ITS PENCILS AND HAS GONE BACK. AND THE A RIGHT NOW THE ROOMS ARE 50% SMALLER THAN THEY WERE IN JUNE. SO THE REDUCTION IN THE SIZE OF THE ROOMS IN RESPONSE TO THE CONCERNS OF THE ZBOA WAS MORE THAN 50%. IN ADDITION, WHILE WE WERE HERE SPEAKING, WE UNDERSTOOD AND AFTER THE MEETING, WE UNDERSTOOD THAT THERE WERE CONCERNS OF SOME OF THE PUBLIC IN THE AREA OF CAMP JUBILEE. AND THEREFORE, A WEEK AGO, THE APPLICANT AND SOME OF ITS REPRESENTATIVES MET WITH THE PUBLIC, HAD A TOWN HALL MEETING, A COMMUNITY MEETING TO DISCUSS CAMP JUBILEE AND WHAT ITS INTENTS AND PURPOSES WERE AND TO, TO, TO HEAR THE QUESTIONS AND CONCERNS OF THE REPRESENTATIVES OF THE PUBLIC. AND, AND WE BELIEVE THAT WE, WE HAVE BEEN RESPONSIVE TO THOSE CONCERNS IN THIS, IN, IN THE APPLICATION AS AMENDED. SO WE DO THINK THAT IT'S IMPORTANT TO ADDRESS THE SPECIAL USE STANDARDS. I RECOGNIZE THAT THE, THE ZBOA HAS HEARD THESE BEFORE AND IS FAMILIAR WITH THEM, AND THEY'RE SET FORTH IN OUR APPLICATION AND OUR RESPONSES. BUT WE DO THINK THAT IT'S IMPORTANT TO, TO TALK ABOUT WHAT THE, WHAT THOSE SPECIAL USE REVIEW STANDARDS ARE. AND THAT IS, AND THERE ARE FOUR THAT IT, THE APPLICATION IS CONSI NOT, EXCUSE ME, NOT THE APPLICATION, BUT THE USE IS CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN'S PURPOSES, GOALS, OBJECTIVES AND POLICIES AND APPLICABLE STANDARDS OF THE DEVELOPMENT CODE, INCLUDING STANDARDS FOR BUILDING INSTRUCTIONAL INTENSITIES AND DENSITIES AND INTENSITIES OF USE. STAFF AGREES THAT WE'VE MET THAT CRITERIA. WE BELIEVE THAT THE COMP PLAN SEEKS TO ENSURE THAT BEAUFORT COUNTY MAINTAINS ITS HIGH QUALITY OF LIFE, UNIQUE LANDSCAPE ACCESS TO NATURE, LOW COUNTRY AESTHETIC, AND EXPANDS ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITIES. AND WE BELIEVE THAT OUR APPLICATION PROVES THAT CAMP JUBILEE IN FACT, DOES THAT. AND WE AGREE WITH THE STAFF'S, UH, UM, UH, STAFF REPORT RELATIVE TO THAT ITEM. THE SECOND ITEM IS THAT THE USE IS COMPATIBLE WITH THE CHARACTER OF THE LAND AND THE IMMEDIATE FAC FACILITY. AND WHEN WE, THE WORD COMPATIBLE CA COMPATIBLE MEANS HARMONIOUS, FRIENDLY, FRICTIONLESS. THAT'S WHAT HARMONIOUS MEANS. AND WE BELIEVE SINCE THE PROPERTY IS SURROUNDED BY SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT, FARMING, RURAL DEVELOPMENT, THAT THIS USE IS COMPATIBLE WITH THAT KIND OF, WITH THAT KIND OF DEVELOPMENT. THAT IT IS HARMONIOUS, THAT IT CAN EXIST IN HARMONY WITH THE SURROUNDING DEVELOPMENT. THE THIRD ELEMENT IS THAT IT'S DESIGNED TO MINIMIZE THE ADVERSE EFFECTS, INCLUDING VISUAL IMPACT OF THE PROPOSED USE AND, AND THE ADJACENT LANDS. AND YOU'LL SEE WHEN, WHEN WE PUT UP THE AMENDED MASTER PLAN, THAT THERE'S A 750 FOOT BUFFER OFF OF BRICKYARD POINT ROAD 750 FEET, AND ALL OF THE BUFFERS AND ALL OF THE SETBACKS HAVE BEEN MAINTAINED. AND IT IS A VERY LOW INTENSE, SO IT IS NOT GOING TO HAVE AN ADVERSE EFFECT ON THE ADJACENT LANDS. YOU WON'T, WE DON'T BELIEVE THAT PEOPLE WILL BE ABLE TO SEE THROUGH 750 FEET OF, OF FOREST SOMEDAY TO BE FULLY GROWN MARITIME FOREST. THE FINAL IS THAT IT'S DESIGNED TO MINIMIZE ADVERSE EFFECTS AND IMPACTS ON THE ENVIRONMENT, TRAFFIC AND CONGESTION. AND, UM, SOMETIMES THE TRAFFIC ANALYSIS CAN BE PROVIDED IN THE STAFF'S REPORT. THE STAFF LAID OUT A NUMBER OF CONDITIONS FOR APPROVAL OF THE, UM, RE WELL THE STAFF RECOMMENDED APPROVAL, BUT ALSO SET FORTH A NUMBER OF CONDITIONS. EACH OF THOSE CONDITIONS WE, WE AGREE TO TRAFFIC ANALYSIS REQUIREMENTS SHALL BE MET AT FINAL REVIEW. SEPTIC SYSTEM PERMITS REQUIRED AT FINAL REVIEW. WETLAND DELINEATION REQUIRED AT FINAL REVIEW. COMMUNITY IMPACT STATEMENT REQUIRED AT FINAL REVIEW. PHASING PLAN REQUIRED AT FINAL REVIEW, ANY MAJOR CHANGES TO THE SITE LAYOUT SHALL HAVE TO COME BACK TO THE ZBOA. ALL STORMWATER REQUIREMENTS ARE MET AND, AND ARE DUE AT FINAL REVIEW. AND ALL CONDITIONS BY FROM THE FIRE MARSHAL ARE ALSO DUE. WE BELIEVE THAT OUR APPLICATION MEETS, MEETS THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT CODE AND FOR THE ISSUANCE OF A SPECIAL USE PERMIT. WE THINK THAT NOT ONLY HAVE WE MET THE APPLICATION'S REQUIREMENTS, BUT WE'VE ALSO MET THE SPIRIT OF WHAT WAS WHAT IS BEING SOUGHT. THIS IS, THIS IS A USE, IT'S A USE THAT REQUIRES A SPECIAL APPROVAL. AND WE BELIEVE THAT WE'VE SUBMITTED AND WILL SUBMIT HERE THIS AFTERNOON INFORMATION TO THE ZBOA THAT WILL SHOW THAT WE DO IN FACT, UM, MEET THOSE REQUIREMENTS. AND WE'RE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. I'M GONNA TURN IT OVER TO MR. KEEFER. GOOD [00:40:01] EVENING. MY NAME'S DAN KEEFER WITH WHITMER JONES KEEFER, OR LAND PLANNERS AND LANDSCAPE ARCHITECTS. I'M GONNA WALK THROUGH JUST SOME MORE DETAIL ON THE PLAN. UH, LAST MONTH WE DIDN'T GET INTO MANY SPECIFICS, BUT I JUST WANTED TO WALK THROUGH, SO THE DETAILS OF THE LAND PLAN AND SOME OF THE THINGS, SOME OF THE MAJOR CHANGES FROM LAST MONTH TO THIS MONTH. ROB, THE NEXT SLIDE. SO THIS IS THE, THE SPECIAL USE MASTER PLAN. UM, THE, THE BOTTOM OF THE PAGE, THAT'S BRICKYARD POINT ROAD. WALTER MENTIONED THAT FRONT BUFFER. UM, WHEN WE PLANNED THE PROPERTY, THE, THE MAIN ENTRANCE OFF BRICKYARD ROAD, WE, WE WORKED AROUND THE EXISTING WETLANDS AND AND TREES TO CREATE MORE OF A PARK-LIKE ACCESS TO THE PROPERTY. UM, SO EVERYTHING ON THE PROPERTY IS, IS LOCATED INWARD TO THE, THE PROPERTY. UM, AS YOU LOOK ON THE PLAN TO, TO THE LEFT OF THE PROPERTY, AND, AND WE'LL, WE'LL ZOOM IN IN A SECOND, BUT THE LEFT OF THE PROPERTY ARE THE CABINS AND TO THE RIGHT ARE THE COTTAGES. UM, AGAIN, EVERYTHING'S CENTRALLY LOCATED. THE, THERE IS PARKING THAT WILL BE LOCATED NEXT TO THOSE FACILITIES, UM, BASED ON THE MINIMUM REQUIREMENT FOR THE COUNTY. AND WE ALSO ARE PROVIDING SOME OVERFLOW PARKING AROUND THE, THE DINING HALL AND AROUND THE, THE CAMP, UM, MEETING FACILITY. ROB, NEXT SLIDE. THIS, THIS HELPS BETTER EXPLAIN THE, THIS IS THE, THE SAME EXACT MASTER PLAN, BUT THIS EXPLAINS THE OPEN SPACE. IF, IF WE WORK FROM THE BOTTOM OF THE PAGE UP THE, THE BOTTOM OF THE PAGE IS, IS BRICKYARD POINT ROAD. AS YOU COME IN, WALTER REFERENCED THAT 750 FEET, THAT AREA IS, IS COMBINED. IT'S COMBINED WITH NATURAL RESOURCES, WHICH ARE REQUIRED PRESERVATION AREAS WITH THE COUNTY. SO THOSE AREAS, AREAS WILL BE PRESERVED FOREVER BASED ON REQUIREMENTS WITH THE COUNTY CODE. THERE'S ALSO WHERE YOU SEE THE WETLAND PRESERVE, WETLAND PRESERVES THERE, UH, ON, IN THAT FRONT AREA. AND THEN AROUND THE PERIMETER, UH, ON THE EDGE OF THE PROPERTY, THERE'S A REQUIRED A HUNDRED FOOT SETBACK AND BUFFER. SO YOU CAN SEE THE, THE GREEN AREAS ARE AREAS THAT WILL REMAIN TREE CANOPY, UNTOUCHED, BUFFER AREAS. UM, AND ONE THING TO POINT OUT IN, IN OUR NARRATIVE, WE STATED, AND I THINK IN THE STAFF REPORT, THE 40% OPEN SPACE REQUIREMENT. RIGHT NOW, THIS PLAN, WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IN GREEN IS OVER 65%. AND WHEN, WHEN WE COMBINE, COMBINE THE, WHERE IT SAYS CAMP JUBILEE, THE ACTUAL CORE OF THE CAMP, WHICH WILL MOSTLY BE BUILDINGS PLACED AMONGST TREES, WE'RE WELL OVER 75% OPEN SPACE BASED ON BUILDING BUILDINGS ALONE. SO I JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT THAT WE, WE FAR EXCEED, WE'RE REQUIRED 40%. THIS IS SHOWING 65% IN THE GREEN AND WE'RE WELL OVER THAT THE PLAN. UM, NEXT SLIDE. THIS AGAIN, THE SAME UNDERLYING MASTER PLAN. WE WANTED TO SORT OF MAKE SURE EVERYBODY WAS AWARE OF WHEN WE SAID CABINS VERSUS COTTAGES. THE, AS YOU LOOK AT THE LEFT ON THE PLAN, THOSE ARE THE, THE CABIN IN UNITS. THERE'S, THERE'S SIX BUILDINGS THERE THAT ARE THE CABINS. UH, WHEN WE WERE HERE LAST MONTH, THERE WERE THE SAME NUMBER OF BUILDINGS. UM, BUT WE HAD, WE COUNTED THOSE AS SIX IN ROOMS IN OUR ACCOUNTS AS WE'LL. WE'LL SEE IN A SECOND. WE'RE COUNTING EACH OF THOSE BUILDINGS AS TWO ROOMS. SO EACH BUILDING IS 2000 SQUARE FOOT AND HAS TWO ROOMS. SO EACH OF THE, EACH OF THE CABIN ROOMS ARE A THOUSAND SQUARE FOOT. THE COTTAGES, THOSE ARE ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE OF THE BUILDING. THE PLAN THAT WAS LAST MONTH HAD WE HAD 16 UNITS. WE'VE REDUCED THOSE TO 12 UNITS AND WE'VE ALSO REDUCED THE SIZE OF THOSE UNITS AS WELL. UM, AND THEN FOR CLARIFICATION, THERE'S CONCEPTUAL FLOOR PLANS OF THE CABINS AND THE COTTAGES, UM, THAT ILLUSTRATE THE, THE NUMBER OF BEDROOMS AND THE USES FOR THOSE. WHILE WE'RE ON THIS SLIDE ON THE GUEST COTTAGE, YOU HAVE TWO ROOMS IN THERE AND WE'RE LIMITED TO 24, UM, GUEST ROOMS TOTAL BY THE, UM, SPECIAL USE. WE AFTER OUR DISCUSSION LAST MONTH, IN TERMS OF THE, THE END USE, AND THAT'S NOT, NOT CLEARLY DEFINED AS ONE ROOM, TWO ROOMS GUEST AS FAR AS IT SAYS A GUEST ROOM AND I INTERPRET A GUEST ROOM. WE WERE INTERPRETING THAT AS, AS THERE COULD BE TWO BEDROOMS THERE WE CAN FURTHER, HOW ABOUT WE GET THROUGH OUR SLIDE AND THEN MAYBE WE, WE'LL COME BACK TO THAT IF THAT'S OKAY WITH EVERYBODY. SO YEAH, SO THE GUEST COTTAGES ARE SHOWING TWO SMALL ROOMS IN THE SITTING AREA. NEXT SLIDE. UH, AGAIN, JUST FOR [00:45:01] COMPARISON, FROM LAST MONTH TO THIS MONTH, WE'RE, WE'RE LOOKING AT THE, THE, THE CABINS ON THE, THE LEFT HAND SIDE THAT SHOWS WHERE THERE WERE TWO ROOMS PER BUILDING ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE. UM, EXCUSE ME, ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE, WE WERE COUNTING THOSE AS AS ONE ROOM ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE. NOW WE'RE COUNTING THEM AS, AS TWO ROOMS IN THE FOOTPRINT SIZE HAS REDUCED. SO AGAIN, JUST TO SUMMARIZE, LAST, LAST MONTH WE WERE SAYING WE WERE COUNTING THOSE AS SIX ROOMS AND NOW WE'RE COUNTING THEM AS 12. DOES THAT, DOES THAT MAKE SENSE EVERYBODY? MM-HMM. . BUT THEY'RE REALLY 24 BRICKS AND, AND THE SIZE REDUCED FROM DOWN TO 2000 SQUARE FEET. NEXT SLIDE. SO THESE ARE THE COTTAGES. THIS IS TO THE NORTH OF THE PLAN. SAME THING WE HAD ON THE LEFT. THAT'S THE PLANS FROM LAST MONTH. THERE WERE 16 INDIVIDUAL BUILDINGS. THIS MONTH WE CAME BACK WITH 12 TOTAL BUILDINGS. UM, AND, AND EACH BUILDING WAS REDUCED FROM 2,400 SQUARE FOOT TO SHOULD SAY 800 SQUARE FEET AS, AS FAR AS THE SIZE. SO 2,400 SQUARE FOOT DOWN TO 800 SQUARE FOOT. LAST MONTH WE WERE SAYING THREE BEDROOMS. NOW WE'RE SAYING TWO BEDROOMS. NEXT SLIDE. AND THEN AS FAR AS SPECIAL USE, WE JUST SO EVERYBODY'S CLEAR ON MEDIUM FACILITY, THAT'S THAT, THAT ONE BUILDING, THAT'S THE BUILDING THAT'S 15,000 SQUARE FOOT OR OVER THE OTHER BUILDINGS ON THE CAMPUS ARE THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURES. ALL RIGHT, I'M GONNA TURN IT OVER TO GREG. THANK YOU. GOOD EVENING. GREG BAES WITH WARD EDWARDS ENGINEERING. UM, I'M GONNA JUST ADDRESS SOME OF THE SUPPORTING, UH, SITE INFRASTRUCTURE COMMENTS THAT, UH, WE HAD PREVIOUSLY. AND ALSO JUST TO INTRODUCE TO YOU, UH, JUST THE MAIN ELEMENTS OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE. ONE OF THE ADVANTAGES OF THE SPECIAL USE PROCESS, UM, IN, IN HITTING THE CODE IS IT, IT ALLOWS THE ENGINEER TO GET INVOLVED EARLY IN THE PROCESS AND YOU CAN KIND OF STUDY THE SITE AND, UH, IMPACT THE LAYOUT AND THE USE OF THE PROPERTY. UH, SO IT'S WORKS BETTER WITH THE NATURAL TOPOGRAPHY, THE SOIL CONDITIONS. SO WE'VE DONE SOIL STUDIES ON THIS PROPERTY. UH, WE'VE DONE, YOU KNOW, TREE AND TOPOGRAPHIC STUDY ON THE PROPERTY AND LOOKED AT ALL THOSE ELEMENTS, THE WETLAND STUDY, ALL THOSE ARE COMPLETE AND WE CAN THEN, YOU KNOW, USE THOSE TO INFORM THE LAND PLAN MOVING FORWARD WITH, WITH THAT. SO I JUST WANNA TOUCH BRIEFLY ON THE, THE KEY TOPICS OF, UH, SEWER WATER, STORM WATER AND, AND THE TRAFFIC. AND, UH, IF YOU HAVE DETAILED QUESTIONS LATER, WE CAN ADDRESS THOSE. BUT, UH, AS FAR AS THE SEWER, UM, THE NEAREST PUBLIC SEWER TO THIS AREA IS ABOUT A MILE AND A HALF, BOTH DIRECTIONS. UM, ONE OF THE ADVANTAGES OF, OF THIS AND, AND ALSO I, I'LL MENTION THE REDUCTION OF THE SQUARE FOOTAGES THAT, UH, DAN SPOKE TO, UM, RIPPLE AND, AND INFILTRATE INTO THE ENGINEERING. SO THE INFRASTRUCTURE, OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, THE REDUCTION IN THE BUILDING ALLOWED THE SEPTIC, FOR EXAMPLE, TO BE REDUCED BY 40%. AND, YOU KNOW, SO WE'RE A LITTLE OVER HALF AN ACRE OF SEPTIC. THE OTHER ADVANTAGE WITH SEPTIC IN THIS SITE IS, YOU KNOW, THIS IS KIND OF, UH, THE WAY IT'S, UH, WORDED IN THE, THE GEOTECHNICAL SOILS REPORT IS IT'S REALLY A RELIC SAND DUNE AREA, UM, UP ON THE, THE DEVELOPED PROPERTY. SO THE AREA THAT HAS THE BEST SOILS, UM, ARE WHERE THE, THE DEVELOPMENT ACTIVITY OCCURS, WHICH THIS USE, UM, YOU KNOW, NOT BEING PUSHED TO THE PERIMETER OF THE PROPERTY, UH, SUCH AS MAYBE A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL WOULD BE, ALLOWS THE SEPTIC ALSO TO BE CONTAINED INTERNALLY, UH, WHERE THE BEST SOILS ARE. UM, AND, UH, SIMILAR TO THE STORMWATER, YOU KNOW, THE STORMWATER IS ABLE TO OCCUR INTERNALLY AND IT WOULD MEET ALL THE STATE STANDARDS AND WE CAN, YOU KNOW, IN, WE CAN INFILTRATE THROUGH SWALES THROUGHOUT THAT AREA AND ALSO THROUGH THE BIORETENTION PRIOR TO ANY KIND OF OUTFALL. UM, AND, AND WE'RE NOT OUTFALL DIRECTLY TO THE OCRM CRITICAL LINE. EVERYTHING THAT WOULD INTERNALLY AFTER TREATMENT, IF THERE WAS ANYTHING AFTER THE CODE FLOOD, FLOOD WISE, WOULD COME INTERNALLY THROUGH THE WETLANDS FOR ADDITIONAL TREATMENT, UM, PRIOR TO ANY TYPE OF OUTFALL. UH, WHICH IS AGAIN, ONE OF THE ADVANTAGES OF THIS. AND, AND WITH THE SEWER, WHEN YOU DON'T HAVE PUBLIC SEWER, YOU ALSO CAN FIT THOSE SEPTICS IN CLUSTERS IN AND AROUND THE TREES AND INTO THE GOOD SOILS, UH, INSTEAD OF HAVING DEEP GRAVITY RUN THROUGHOUT. UM, AS FAR AS THE TRAFFIC, AND YOU KNOW, DAN HAD MENTIONED THE PARKING, [00:50:01] UM, WE HAVE THE MAIN TRUNK LINE. THE OTHER STREET NETWORK IN HERE IS, IS REALLY INTENDED TO MEET THE FIRE CODE. AND IT IS ALL GONNA BE PERVIOUS AND, YOU KNOW, THROUGHOUT THE CABINS. AND REALLY IT'S REALLY PEDESTRIAN AND FIRE SAFETY, UH, THROUGHOUT THE PROPERTY, BEYOND THAT MAIN SPINE WHERE, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE WOULD COME AND GO. UM, THE TRAFFIC ENGINEER WHO'S HERE, IF YOU HAVE ANY MORE DETAILED QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT, UM, I'LL JUST SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, KNOW THEY, THEY COMPLETED THE, THE STUDY THAT WAS ASKED TO BE DONE ACTUALLY PRIOR TO FINAL. AND THEY, YOU KNOW, CONDUCTED TRAFFIC COUNTS ON THE AREA. THEY STUDIED THE USE IN MULTIPLE DIFFERENT WAYS. THEY USE THE MOST CONSERVATIVE, UH, APPROACH TO THAT. AND IT HAS REALLY NEGLIGIBLE IMPACTS ON ANYTHING OFF SITE AS FAR AS THE LEVEL OF SERVICE GOES, WHICH IS THE TECHNICAL WAY THAT THE STATE DOT UH, REVIEWS A SITE. SO THERE'S NO MITIGATION REQUIRED THAT THE ADVANTAGE OF THIS USE AS WELL VERSUS, YOU KNOW, THE ADJACENT, THE ADJACENT AREAS THAT ARE, YOU KNOW, HAVE SOME SINGLE FAMILY USES IS THIS IS OFF PEAK WITH THOSE. UM, WHICH I THINK IS ANOTHER ADVANTAGE OF HOW THEY'RE USING THE PROPERTY. YOU KNOW, YOU'RE, YOU'RE UH, 6:00 AM TO 8:00 AM TRAFFIC AND GETTING TO WORK AND THEN COMING HOME FOUR TO SIX DURING THE WEEK IS NOT IMPACTED BY THIS USE. THIS USE IS, YOU KNOW, A TURNOVER ON THE WEEKEND AND REALLY HEAVILY MORE DURING THE SUMMER AS WELL. UM, SO ANYWAY, THAT, THAT'S ALL I WAS GONNA TOUCH ON BRIEFLY ON THE INFRASTRUCTURE, BUT IF YOU HAVE ANY MORE QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT, WE CAN GET GET TO THAT AS WELL. I'M GONNA TURN IT OVER TO KEN TO KIND OF TALK THROUGH A LITTLE BIT OF THE VISION AND THE USE IN A LITTLE MORE DETAIL. UH, THANK Y'ALL AGAIN. UM, JUST A COUPLE OF THINGS 'CAUSE WE'VE BEEN TALKING FOR A LONG TIME. UH, OUR OUR VISION FOR THIS IS TO BE A SUMMER CAMP AND A SMALL RETREAT CENTER. UM, WE HAVE BEEN DOING THIS IN DIFFERENT PLACES FOR 90 YEARS. WE ARE GOOD NEIGHBORS. WE ARE SEEKING A NEW PLACE TO DO IT. UM, THE HEAVIEST USE WOULD BE FOR EIGHT WEEKS, UH, IN THE SUMMER. UM, WE'RE CURRENTLY SERVING 70 TO 75 KIDS A WEEK IN OUR EXISTING PROGRAM AT THE OTHER PLACES THAT WE'RE RENTING. UM, WE'RE HOPING THAT THIS PLACE WILL BE OUR FOREVER HOME. UH, WE'RE, UH, A MINISTRY THAT, UH, EXPOSES KIDS TO NATURE, EXPOSES KIDS TO THE GOSPEL, UM, AND THE NATURAL BEAUTY OF THE WORLD AND, AND, UH, A MINISTRY THAT'S BUILDING CHRISTIAN LEADERS FOR THE FUTURE. AND, UH, WE BELIEVE THAT WE WILL BE GOOD, GOOD NEIGHBORS AND WE FEEL A CALL TO BE GOOD NEIGHBORS TO THOSE AROUND US. UH, THE NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING THAT WE HAD LAST THURSDAY WAS AMAZING. THERE WERE LOTS OF GOOD QUESTIONS AND WE GOT LOTS OF GOOD FEEDBACK. UH, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION ABOUT THE NUMBER OF ROOMS, UH, IT WAS OUR UNDERSTANDING RIGHTLY OR WRONGLY, UH, LAST TIME WHEN WE MET WITH Y'ALL THAT, UH, TWO BEDS, EVEN IF THEY'RE IN SEPARATE ROOMS, BUT IF IT'S IN UNDER THE SAME SMALL BUILDING THAT'S LESS THAN 800 SQUARE FEET, THAT COUNTS AS ONE IN-ROOM. LOTS OF HOTELS HAVE TWO DOUBLE BEDS AND THEN LOTS OF HOTEL ROOMS ARE SUITES WITH A FOLDOUT COUCH IN ONE ROOM AND A A BED IN ANOTHER ROOM. EACH OF THESE COTTAGES WILL ONLY SLEEP FOUR PEOPLE. SO WE'VE REDUCED OUR THING, WHICH WE WERE ASKED TO DO, AND WE DID FROM 18 COTTAGES THAT HAD THREE BEDROOMS EACH TO TO 12 COTTAGES THAT THAT JUST SLEEP FOUR PEOPLE EACH. SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AS FAR AS DENSITY IS 48 PEOPLE IN THE RETREAT CENTER. UM, IF IT'S TOTALLY FULL WITH TWO PEOPLE IN EACH OF THE DOUBLE BEDS AND, AND THESE SIX CABINS THAT ARE DIVIDED TO A HALF, HALF EACH. UM, AGAIN, WE THANK YOU, UH, FOR YOUR TIME AND UH, OUR TEAM WOULD BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT THE ZBOA HAS. UM, BUT I'M SURE THERE'S PROBABLY PUBLIC COMMENT AS WELL, IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY FROM LAS GO ROUND. IT'S, IT IS, UM, DO YOU GUYS WANT TO HEAR FROM THE COUNTY BEFORE WE ASK QUESTIONS HERE OR DO YOU WANT TO GO AHEAD AND START ASKING THOSE TWO THAT HAVE QUESTIONS? WHATEVER YOU WANT US TO DO. UM, WELL SINCE THEY'RE HERE WE CAN GO AHEAD AND, AND, UH, HAVE THE QUESTIONS. YOU KNOW, WE ARE THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS, SO WE REALLY HAVE TO GO BY OUR ZONING ORDINANCE AND IN SECTION 4.2 POINT 20 POINT E 0.2, WHICH IS ABOUT ACCESSORY BUILDINGS AND STRUCTURES. IT SAYS, EXCEPT FOR THE T TWO R DISTRICT, INDIVIDUAL FREESTANDING ACCESSORY STRUCTURES ON A PARTIAL SHALL NOT COLLECTIVELY EXCEED 30% OF THE FLOOR AREA OF THE PRINCIPAL STRUCTURE. SO I'M LOOKING AT THE ACCESSORY BUILDING. IT SAYS EXCEPT FOR THE T TWO R, IT'S FOR ALL ACCESSORY STRUCTURES EXCEPT FOR THE T TWO RT TWO R, THAT'S WHAT WE ARE. [00:55:01] BUT IT SAYS IN THE T TWO R, EXCEPT FOR STRUCTURES USED FOR BONAFIDE AGRICULTURAL PURPOSES, ALL FREESTANDING ACCESSORY STRUCTURES SHALL BE CLEARLY INCIDENTAL AND SUBORDINATE TO THE PRINCIPAL STRUCTURE. AND IT SEEMS LIKE THAT DINING HALLS, REC HALLS AND PAVILIONS ARE, YOU KNOW, THEY END UP BEING 2,400 SQUARE FEET TO THE END OF BEING 2100, 600 SQUARE FEET. 24,000 VERSE 21,000. YEAH. I'M SORRY. OKAY. I I THINK WE COULD, WE COULD MAKE SURE THAT HIS NUMBERS ALIGN WITH STAFF. I MEAN, IF, IF TO ME YOU'RE SAYING THE ACE THE TOTAL ACCESSORY NEEDS TO BE UNDER THE PRINCIPAL USES, THE WAY WE WERE INTERPRETING THAT WAS, THAT WAS THE REASON WE WERE APPLYING FOR THE SECOND USE OF THE, IN THE 15, THE GREATER THAN 15 AND WE WERE ADDING THOSE TWO. I THINK THAT'S RIGHT. SO THE, THE MEETING FACILITIES 15,000 AND IT IS TWO ACCESSORIES OR THE OFFICE AND THE SERVICE BUILDING, WHICH ARE 6,000. SO THAT'S, WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT MATH IS CONSISTENT WITH A, WITH A FILE OR YOU CAN MAKE THAT A CONDITION WITH, AND WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT THAT IS MET. I I SEE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING THOUGH. YEAH. 'CAUSE IT JUST SEEMS, YEAH, THE INTENT IS NOT TO HAVE THE ACCESSORIES LARGER THAN THE PRINCIPAL USE OF THE RIGHT OF THE, THE LODGING AND THE, AND THE RIGHT. I MEAN, IT JUST SEEMS LIKE THAT IT'S THE THE TAIL WAGGING THE DOG THERE. CORRECT. YEAH. AND UM, YEAH, AND IN THIS CASE, YOU KNOW, WHEN THE, THE DINING FOR EXAMPLE, YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU PULL THAT ALL OUT OF THE ROOMS AND IT'S IN THE BUILDING. SO, BUT IT, YOU KNOW, AS AN ACCESSORY TO IT. MM-HMM. AGREE. AND, AND THEN I HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION. UM, THERE'S THREE THINGS. OKAY. THERE WAS THE SEASONAL STAFF HOUSE THAT Y'ALL CALLED IT IN ROOM EARLIER IN THE CARETAKER HOUSE, ONE THAT WAS CALLED AN IN ROOM AND NOW THEY'RE NOT ANYTHING, WHAT ARE THEY? WE'VE REMOVED THEM. IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? THE OLD BUILDING'S EIGHT AND NINE, IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO? NINE AND 10 OR NINE AND 10. IS THAT WHAT THOSE NUMBERS WERE? LIKE? IS THAT THE ONE THAT SAID FUTURE OR SOMETHING? YEAH, YEAH. THEY'VE BEEN ELIMINATED FROM THE PLAN. SO ARE YOU COMING COMPLETELY, COMPLETELY, YEAH. FOREVER. WELL, I MEAN IF THEY WERE, IF ANYTHING WERE TO EVER COME BACK, IT WOULD BE HAVE TO BE DONE FOR THE CODE. OKAY. AND THEY, THEY'D HAVE TO COME BACK TO THIS BOARD IF IT'S A SPECIAL RELATED TO THE SPECIAL USE. IS THAT ALL YOUR QUESTIONS? YEAH. DO ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? COULD WE HEAR FROM THE COUNTY PLEASE? THANK YOU. WELL, GOOD EVENING, . GOOD EVENING. UM, ROBERT MERCHANTS, UH, DIRECTOR OF PLANNING AND ZONING. UM, I GUESS I WANTED TO I BACK UP A LITTLE BIT AND, AND JUST SAY, YOU KNOW, YOU RECEIVED OUR STAFF REPORT, UM, YOU KNOW, STAFF, UH, RECOMMENDS APPROVAL. I GUESS I WANTED TO ADDRESS THIS ON TWO, TWO ASPECTS OF THAT. ONE IS, YOU KNOW, THAT STAFF BELIEVES THAT THIS IS ELIGIBLE FOR SPECIAL USE PERMIT COMING BEFORE THE ZBOA AND THEN THE SECOND HAS TO DO WITH THE SUBSTANCE OF, OF THE, UH, APPLICATION. UM, BUT GETTING TO THE HEART OF SOME OF THE QUESTIONS, WELL, I GUESS WE WERE APPROACHED, I WOULD SAY SIX TO EIGHT MONTHS AGO, UM, BY THE APPLICANT ASKING FOR AN INTERPRETATION OF THE ORDINANCE TO DETERMINE WHETHER THIS USE WAS PERMITTED. SO, UM, HILLARY AND I AND OUR STAFF, WE WORK TOGETHER. UM, WE DO NOT HAVE A SPECIFIC USE THAT DEALS WITH SUMMER CAMP, BUT WE DO HAVE THE COMPONENT USES. UM, AND WE DETERMINE THAT THE MEETING FACILITY, UH, GREATER THAN 15,000 AND THE IN WERE THE TWO COMPONENTS THAT COULD BE USED IN THE RURAL DISTRICT TO ALLOW THIS TO OCCUR. SO WE DIRECTED THE APPLICANT TO PURSUE THIS ROUTE. SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE THAT CLEAR THAT THIS IS COMING AT ITS STAFF DIRECTION, UH, TO COME TO THE CBOA. AND OF COURSE, THAT PROJECT WENT THROUGH THE SRT RECEIVED INPUT FROM OUR ENGINEERING STORMWATER, UH, FIRE DISTRICT, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT BROUGHT IT HERE. SO THE QUESTION ABOUT ROOMS, UM, UM, WE LOOKED AT THAT VERY CLOSELY. UNFORTUNATELY, OUR ORDINANCE PROVIDES NO DIRECTION FOR THE, FOR THE SIZE OR ANY INFORMATION ABOUT A ROOM OTHER THAN THE DEFINITION FOR, UH, THE IN OR THE HOTEL WHERE THEY TALK ABOUT, UM, WHETHER IT'S, IT'S ONE BUILDING WITH A SERIES OF ROOMS OR A SERIES OF BUILDINGS. UM, FROM MY EXPERIENCE AND, AND FROM LOOKING AT OTHER CODES, HOTEL ROOMS ARE COME IN ALL SHAPES AND FORMS, YOU KNOW, FROM A SINGLE, UH, BED IN A SINGLE ROOM WITH A BATHROOM TO A SUITE, YOU KNOW, THAT [01:00:01] WAS MENTIONED EARLIER. UM, AND WE LOOK AT THE, BASICALLY WITH THE SHARED, UM, BATH AND SHARED LIVING AREA THAT WE SEE THAT AS ONE UNIT. WE DON'T SEE THAT AS, UH, TWO UNITS JUST BECAUSE THERE ARE TWO BEDROOMS. UM, IN ADDITION, YOU KNOW, THE, YOU KNOW, THE, WE ARE MUCH MORE COMFORTABLE WITH THE DIVIDING UP BECAUSE THE CABINS HAD REALLY TWO SIDES WITH TWO ROOMS. UM, THE WAY THAT THEY'RE COUNTING THAT, UM, WE MUCH MORE SUPPORT THAT. AND, AND SO WE STAND BEHIND THE UNIT COUNT OF 24, UH, FOR THE INN. AND SO I'M WILLING TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT OUR INTERPRETATION, BUT I JUST WANTED TO SAY FROM A STAFF'S POSITION, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT IS OUR INTERPRETATION OF THE ORDINANCE. UM, I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT YOUR BROOM DEFINITION, BECAUSE I KNOW IF YOU GO TO ANY HOTEL AND THERE'S A SUITE, OR EVEN IF IT'S A TWO BEDROOM SUITE, THEY HAVE A CONNECTING DOOR. MM-HMM. . AND THEY SAY THAT THEY WOULD COUNT THOSE SLEEPING ROOMS AS TWO SEPARATE ROOMS. WELL, NOT ALL THE TIME. I JUST THINK THIS IS GOING DOWN A SLIPPERY SLOPE TO COUNT SEPARATE SLEEPING ROOMS AS ONE SLEEPING ROOM. YEAH. BUT I MEAN, THERE ARE ALSO SUITES WHERE THERE'S ONE BATHROOM, ONE SHARED LIVING AREA AND A BEDROOM, YOU KNOW, AND SO THAT'S WHAT THIS IS, THIS IS NOT TWO ROOMS THAT JUST HAPPEN TO BE CONNECTED BY A PARTY WALL. THIS IS ACTUALLY AN INDIVIDUAL UNIT WHERE THEY'RE SHARING THE, THE BATHROOM AND THE, YOU KNOW, SO THIS IS NOT A CONVENTIONAL, UM, YOU KNOW, IN OTHER COUNTRIES PEOPLE MIGHT BE WILLING TO SHARE A BATHROOM, YOU KNOW, OR, OR IN A, A HOSTILE SITUATION, BUT NOT IN A, UM, YOU KNOW, A TYPICAL HOTEL ROOM. SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE WE MAKE THAT DISTINCTION. IF YOU HAD TWO UNITS, AND I'VE SEEN THESE MANY TIMES HOTELS SIDE BY SIDE WITH A, WITH A DOOR THAT COULD BE LOCKED OR IT COULD BE OPEN TO, TO CONNECT THE TWO, WE WOULD SEE THAT AS TWO ROOMS. IT'S, YOU KNOW, SO AND YOU WOULD SAY TWO ROOMS BECAUSE IT'S EACH ROOM. YEAH. YOU HAVE TWO SEPARATE THAT BASICALLY A LOCKED DOOR CORRECT. MAKES IT DEFACTO TWO ROOMS. THERE'S NO WAY TO DO THAT WITH THESE COTTAGES. COULD YOU TAKE US BACK TO THE FLOOR PLAN OF THE COTTAGE? I KNOW THAT'S JUST A, YEAH. UM, NOT SET IN STONE, BUT JUST SO TO SEE ALL ARE SHOWING, AND I, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING, TWO BEDROOMS, ONE SHARED LIVING FACILITY, ONE BATHROOM, YOU'RE NOT HAVE ANY DOORS ON THOSE BEDROOMS. THEY CAN PROVE ME WRONG, , AND THERE'RE NOT GONNA BE ANY DOORS ON THIS BEDROOM. WELL, THERE'S, OKAY. OKAY. I GUESS WHAT I'M SAYING IS, REGARDLESS WHETHER THERE'S A DOOR IN A BEDROOM, YOU HAVE TO SHARE THE BATHROOM, YOU HAVE TO SHARE THE LIVING AREA. IF YOU HAVE TWO UNITS, LET'S SAY TWO HOTEL ROOMS NEXT DOOR TO EACH OTHER WITH A SHARED WALL, YOU LOCK THAT DOOR, THOSE BECOME TWO UNITS BECAUSE YOU HAVE, YOU, YOU KNOW, YOU BASICALLY HAVE TWO PRIVATE UNITS WITH A BATHROOM THAT IS ENTERED THROUGH A SEPARATE DOOR. THAT'S NOT THE CASE WITH THIS. AND THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE WE'RE DRAWING THE DISTINCTION IN. IN NICER HOTELS, YOU HAVE SUITES THAT ARE AVAILABLE LIKE THIS, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, FOR A FAMILY, I MEAN, IF YOU'VE TRAVELED WITH TEENAGERS, YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES YOU WANT THAT PRIVACY. BUT, UM, THIS IS STILL SOMETHING WHERE YOU'RE, YOU HAVE TO USE THE SAME ENTRANCE, USE THE SAME BATHROOM, AND THE, UM, THE LIVING AREA. I GUESS ANOTHER EXAMPLE, IF ANYONE'S EVER GOTTEN A CONDO IN MYRTLE BEACH, YOU HAVE A BEDROOM IN THE BACK, A FRONT ROOM WITH A MURPHY BED AND A BATHROOM, YOU KNOW, BUT IT'S STILL REALLY ONE UNIT. IT'S, IT'S NOT, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE YOU'RE ALL SHARING IT, YOU'RE USING THE SAME ENTRANCE. OKAY. SO THAT'S, YOU KNOW, AND I GUESS THE OTHER THING THAT I'LL EMPHASIZE IS THAT INS OUR SPECIAL USE IN RURAL, SO WE BELIEVE THE LACK OF GUIDANCE IN THE ORDINANCE PUTS MORE ON THE, THE ZBOA TO MAKE A DETERMINATION. BUT FROM THE STAFF STANDPOINT, I DON'T SEE A, A REASON TO SAY THIS IS, YOU KNOW, THESE ARE MORE ROOMS THAN WHAT ARE PERMITTED IN, IN THE END. AND SO WE'RE KIND OF THROWING THAT TO THE SPECIAL USE PROCESS THAT'S BEEN SUBMITTED. OKAY. THE OTHER THING I'LL JUST SAY REAL QUICK FROM OUR REVIEW OF THE, UH, PLAN IS THAT I BELIEVE THAT THIS IS A CASE OF, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE HEARD THE, THE, THE WHOLE IS GREATER THAN THE, THE COMBINED PARTS, BUT I THINK IN TERMS OF IMPACT, THE COMBINATION OF THE LIVING FACILITY AND THE, THE MEETING SPACE IS ACTUALLY REDUCING THE EXTERNAL IMPACT OF THIS DEVELOPMENT. BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, UH, RURAL [01:05:01] ALLOWS FOR CHURCHES GREATER THAN 15,000 SQUARE FEET ACCORDING TO OUR ORDINANCE. THOSE CHURCHES COULD HAVE SCHOOLS, THEY COULD HAVE DAYCARE FACILITIES, COMMUNITY SERVICES, ALL OF THOSE HAVE AN IMPACT ON, YOU KNOW, TRAFFIC EXTERNAL IMPACT TO THE DEVELOPMENT. BUT THIS USE TYPICALLY, YOU KNOW, I KNOW WITH THE SUMMER CAMPS, IT'S TYPICALLY LIKE A MONDAY MORNING TO FRIDAY MORNING WHERE YOU HAVE PICK UP AND DROP OFF NON-PEAK TIMES. OTHER THAN THAT, THOSE KIDS BETTER NOT BE LEAVING THE CAMP, YOU KNOW, SO IT, IT HAS A MUCH LESS EXTERNAL IMPACT. AND FOR THAT REASON, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE LOOKED AT THE CRITERIA FOR A SPECIAL USE, UH, THE TRAFFIC IMPACTS, THE IMPACTS ON THE ENVIRONMENT. UM, THAT IS, THAT IS WHY IS STAFF, YOU KNOW, WE RECOMMEND SUPPORT OF THIS APPLICATION. SO THANK YOU ANY MORE. UM, DO WE HAVE ANY MORE QUESTIONS? YEAH. ROB, I'VE GOT A QUESTION. YEAH. DOES IT MATTER? WE KEEP USING THE WORD IN. WHAT IF WE JUST SAID CABIN OR COTTAGE, DOES THAT CHANGE ANYTHING? IT'S NOT, WELL, FROM OUR INTERPRETATION, THE, THE RESIDENTIAL FACILITY ON THE SITE IS, YOU KNOW, WHAT GETS YOU THERE IS THE SPECIAL USE FOR IN. UM, WE DON'T HAVE, WE HAVE OTHER USES THAT ALLOW, LIKE INSTITUTIONAL, UM, WE HAVE LIKE NURSING HOMES, THINGS LIKE THAT, THAT, THAT JUST DON'T MEET THE DEFINITION OF A SUMMER CAMP. SO, YOU KNOW, THAT CALL USING THE IN AS THE PROVISION TO ALLOW THOSE RESIDENTIAL USES, WE BELIEVED WAS THE PATH FORWARD FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT. SO, AND IF THAT WAS, UH, HOW MANY, IF SOMEBODY WANTED TO DEVELOP THAT IN THE HOUSING, HOW MANY HOUSES COULD THEY PUT IN THERE? ANY IDEA? UM, WHAT'S THE ACREAGE? UH, TOTAL 26 ON THE ENTIRE OVERALL PARCEL. OH, IT'S 26. 26. ONE PER THREE ACRES IS WHAT? THE . OH, OKAY. SO THE TOTAL ACREAGE IS ABOUT 70, 80. 80, YEAH. SO APPROXIMATELY 26 DWELLING UNITS HOUSES. YEAH, BASED ON THE ONE DWELL PER THREE ACRES. AND THEY COULD BE FOUR OR 5,000 SQUARE FOOT MILES. OKAY. THANK YOU. OKAY. THANK YOU, SIR. IF THERE'S NOT ANY MORE QUESTIONS, THANK YOU. OKAY. UM, YEAH. YEAH. IT'S A LOT OF BOOKLET, HUH? ALL RIGHT. WELL, WE OPEN UP TO PUBLIC COMMENT. UM, , MR. CECIL, CECIL MITCHELL . HELLO. UM, I'M CECIL MITCHELL. Y'ALL KNOW I'M A MEMBER OF THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS. UM, I'VE RECUSED MYSELF AND TONIGHT I'M MEETING, I'M SPEAKING AS A, A COMMUNITY MEMBER. UM, I'M URGING THE BOARD TONIGHT TO APPROVE THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT. I THINK THAT, UM, IT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO HAVE A PLACE, ESPECIALLY IN THIS AREA, WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH OF, FOR CHILDREN TO BE ABLE TO LEARN AND BE EDUCATED ON OUR NATURAL ENVIRONMENT AND ENJOY IT. I THINK IT CREATES A FUTURE OF, UM, OF STEWARDSHIP AND UNDERSTANDING AND HELP US CREATE A FUTURE TO PROTECT OUR ENVIRONMENT WITH THIS. UM, THERE'S, THERE'S NOT VERY MANY PLACES THAT YOU CAN DO THIS ANYMORE WITH. UM, SEC SECOND OF ALL, THIS APPLICATION DOES ABSOLUTELY, IN MY OPINION, MEET THE, UM, SPECIAL USE CRITERIA OF THE CDC, UM, DIVISION 7.2, 0.13 OD. UM, AND WITH HAVING THAT TWOFOLD, YOU DON'T FIND THAT MUCH TO BE ABLE TO MEET THAT SPECIAL USE CRITERIA AND BE ABLE TO CREATE THIS COMMUNITY, UM, THIS AREA FOR COM FOR CHILDREN TO BE ABLE TO, TO LEARN AND, UM, PROTECT THIS WHOLE AREA. UM, SO I URGE THE BOARDS TONIGHT TO, UM, APPROVE THIS, UM, AS THE SRT STAFF HAS RECOMMENDED. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. JOHN HOPER, I, I JUST KIND OF THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, I KEEP HEARING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, CAMP FOR 120 CHILDREN, BUT THEN I LOOK AT 15,000 SQUARE FOOT MEETING FACILITY, WHICH IS PUT SIX FOOT ROUND TABLES IN THERE THAT'S SEATING FOR 1,250 PEOPLE. AND THEN YOU GOT A 14,000 SQUARE FOOT DINING HALL. AND, YOU KNOW, I KNOW THAT, UM, UH, WHEN WE, WHEN THE QUESTION WAS ASKED ABOUT IF THEY WERE GOING TO LEASE OUT SPACE FOR EVENTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, THEY KIND OF DODGED THE QUESTION, OH, NO CURRENT PLANS TO DO THAT. BUT, YOU KNOW, WHEN I LOOK AT HISTORY AND THE ENGLAND DIOCESE OF SOUTH CAROLINA, YOU [01:10:01] KNOW, DOING BUSINESS AS CHRISTOPHER KEMP AND CONFERENCE CENTER, THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE DOING. I HAVE THE, THEIR OWN FILING. THEY WERE BASICALLY, UM, CHARGING $12,000 FOR A FAMILY TO HAVE A REUNION THERE. THE FILING WAS 'CAUSE THEY DIDN'T GET PAID. BUT MY POINT WAS CALLING A CAMP FOR KIDS, WHEN, YOU KNOW, TO ME FROM APPEARANCE IS WHAT THEY'RE DOING OUT THERE. IT'S MORE OF A, UH, DESIGN TO GENERATE REVENUE AND MORE OF A COMMERCIAL, UH, PROJECT THAN, THAN A CAMP FOR KIDS. AND THAT'S WHERE MY CONCERNS ARE. THEY, THEY DIDN'T ADDRESS, YOU KNOW, THEY SAID THEY WERE GONNA ROPE OFF THE AREA TO ADDRESS THE NESTING BALD EAGLES. YOU KNOW, THAT'S NOT IN KEEPING WITH THE FISH AND WILDLIFE SERVICE, UH, GUIDANCE ON HOW TO, UM, NOT DISTURB EAGLES. AND THAT INCLUDES NOT, UH, HAVING THEM, UM, ABANDON A NEST. AND, YOU KNOW, WHEN THEY LOOK AT ALL OF THE CHANGE THAT'S GONNA HAPPEN IN THAT SMALL AREA, CHANCES ARE ALMOST GUARANTEED THAT THAT'S GONNA DISTURB THEM AND MAKE THEM MOVE FROM THEIR CURRENT NESTING SIDE. UM, THERE'S OTHER ANIMALS OVER THERE AND, AND, YOU KNOW, I LIVE ACROSS THE STREET. UM, AND SO THOSE ARE SOME OF THE CONCERNS THAT I HAVE WITH THIS. THANK YOU, SIR. UM, CATHERINE PRINGLE. CATHERINE, OH, I HAD A LONG WAY TO COMFORT. WOULDN'T IT BE GREAT? I'M CATHERINE PRINGLE, 32 PARTRIDGE CIRCLE IN THE PARTRIDGE WOOD SUBDIVISION. AND MY PROPERTY DIRECTLY ABUTS, UM, THE PROPERTY THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. AND I WAS GONNA SAY, WOULDN'T IT BE NICE IF WE COULD JUST LEAVE IT LIKE IT'S BEEN LIKE, YOU KNOW, WE'VE, WE'VE ALL GOTTEN USED TO TRESPASSING OVER THERE AND WALKING ALONG THE SHORELINE AND SEEING ALL THE NATURE COMING OUTTA THE WOODS. BUT IN THE REALITY, ESPECIALLY, IS HOW BEAUFORT IS, IS GROWING, IS WE CAN'T STOP DEVELOPMENT. SOMETHING'S GONNA HAPPEN WITH THAT PROPERTY. AND SO MY CONCERN IS THAT WE, YOU KNOW, WE GET THE BEST USE FOR IT. UM, I ORIGINALLY WAS AGAINST THIS PROJECT. UM, I EVEN SENT A LETTER TO Y'ALL IN OPPOSITION. I I WAS, UM, AT THE MEETING ON THIS PAST THURSDAY, AND I'M GONNA READ YOU WHAT, WHAT I SAID. UM, I ATTENDED THE INFORMATIONAL MEETING LAST THURSDAY EVENING THAT WAS HELD BY THE CAMP JUBILEE FOLKS. I, AMONG OTHERS IN ATTENDANCE, ASKED LOTS OF QUESTIONS AND GAINED MORE INSIGHT INTO JUBILEE'S INTENT AND PLANS FOR THEIR CAMP SLASH RETREAT. I ARRIVED AT THAT MEETING FAIRLY OPPOSED TO THEIR ORIGINAL CONCEPTUAL MASTER PLAN. I'D LEFT THERE FEELING MUCH MORE COMFORTABLE WITH THEIR PROPOSAL. THEY HAD LISTENED TO Y'ALL AND REVISED THEIR THEIR CONCEPTUAL MASTER PLAN. IN ADDITION, SINCE THAT MEETING, I HAVE MET ON SITE WITH THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR KEN WELDON, TO VOICE A FEW OF MY CONCERNS. MAINLY THAT THEIR PROPOSED NATURE LOOP TRAIL COMES CLOSER TO SOME OF OUR BACKYARD BACKYARDS THAN SEEMS NECESSARY GIVEN THE AMOUNT OF PROPERTY AVAILABLE SINCE ACCORDING TO THIS NEW PLAN, THEY ARE NO LONGER PUTTING IN THAT DEDICATED SERVICE ROAD THAT IS BEING DONE AWAY WITH, UM, THE SERVICE, THE MAINTENANCE FACILITY WILL BE REMOVED FURTHER AWAY FROM US. UM, SO WE DISCUSSED, WE WALKED AROUND, WE LOOKED AT BACKYARDS, WE DISCUSSED DISTANCES, WE DISCUSSED USES, AND HE AGREED AND ASSURED ME THAT, AND WE LOOKED AT THE MAP, ASSURED ME THAT, THAT THEY WOULD MAKE ALLOWANCES TO MOVE THINGS WHERE THEY CAME CLOSER TO US FURTHER AWAY. 'CAUSE THERE'S LOTS OF ROOM TO DO THAT. UM, OUR PARTRIDGE WOODS NEIGHBORHOOD DODGED A BIG BULLET WHEN A PREVIOUS DEAL TO PURCHASE THIS 89 ACRES BY A HOME BUILDING COMPANY FELL THROUGH. IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT BUY RIGHT, ACCORDING TO THE EXISTING ZONING, THEY OR ANY OTHER BUYER COULD PUT IN 26 HOUSES AND CROWD. THE CREEK WITH DOCKS UNDER 30 HOUSES. DOESN'T SOUND SO BAD AT FIRST. BUT THE REALITY IS THAT ANOTHER BUYER IS GOING TO WANT TO GET THE BIGGEST BANG FOR THEIR BUCK AND WOULD LIKELY GO FOR UPZONING TO INCREASE THE DENSITY. THINK ABOUT WHAT IS HAPPENING DOWN BRICKYARD POINT ROAD AT THE GLEASON FARMS DEVELOPMENT HOMES BY MGO. BASICALLY CLEAR CUT, CLEAR CUT THAT ACREAGE TO BUILD AS MANY HOUSES ON SLABS WITH CONCRETE DRIVEWAYS AND ASPHALT STREETS AS THEY COULD FIT IN. JUBILEE INTENDS TO KEEP THEIR PROPERTY AS NATURAL AND WOODED AS POSSIBLE AND MAINTAIN LARGE BUFFERS BETWEEN BRICKYARD POINT ROAD AND THE PARTRIDGE WOODS BOUNDARY. THEY PLAN TO BUILD STRUCTURES THAT ARE IN KEEPING WITH THE LOW COUNTRY AND THE NATURAL ENVIRONMENT. THEY'RE WORKING WITH A LOCAL ARCHITECT KNOWN FOR DESIGNING COMPATIBLE BUILDINGS AND HOMES. THE ROADS, DRIVEWAYS, AND PARKING AREAS WILL BE MOSTLY OF PERVIOUS MATERIALS SUCH AS GRASS AND GRAVEL. I TRULY FEEL THAT JUBILEE WILL BE A BETTER, MORE THOUGHTFUL AND LESS INTRUSIVE NEIGHBOR, NEIGHBOR THAN IF THIS PROPERTY WERE TO BE PURCHASED BY AN ENTITY WITH THE INTENT ON HIGHER DENSITY, FAR LESS TREES, MORE DAILY NOISE, POLLUTION FROM YARD MAINTENANCE, MAINTENANCE EQUIPMENT LIKE BLOWERS, CHEMICAL [01:15:01] RUNOFF FROM INDIVIDUAL LAWN TREATMENTS, CONSTANT CARS ON THE ROAD, STREET LIGHTS AT NIGHT, MULTIPLE DOTS, ET CETERA. THIS IS A BEAUTIFUL, UNIQUE PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT DESERVES SPECIAL CARE. AND IT, MY, IT'S MY HOPE THAT JUBILEE WILL HONOR THAT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. STEVEN AUGUSTO, I'M GONNA PASS. UH, CHAIRMAN, I WAS ORIGINALLY OPPOSED TO THIS, BUT AFTER HEARING SOME OF THE DISCOURSE TODAY, I'M NO LONGER OPPOSED. THANK YOU. OKAY, WELL, WE'LL PUT YOU DOWN FOR IN FAVOR OF, UH, JANE MAN. MANEL, MANEL. MAD THANK YOU. UH, MY NAME IS JANE MANUS AND MY HUSBAND AND I WERE BORN AND RAISED IN CHARLESTON. WE LIVED IN BEAUFORT FOR 32 YEARS AND RAISED OUR FAMILY HERE. WE'VE SPENT AS MUCH TIME ON THE WATER AS POSSIBLE, BOATING, TUBING, FISHING, AND WE FEEL LIKE IT WOULD BE A SAD DAY IF THIS AREA OF LADIES ISLAND IS DEVELOPED WITH MULTIPLE HOMES. WELL, LIKE THE PREVIOUS SPEAKER SAID, POSSIBLY 26, AS MANY WE'VE HEARD, MAYBE 12 DOCKS CONDOS. THERE'S ENDLESS POSSIBILITIES. I BELIEVE THAT CAMP JUBILEE COULD PREVENT THIS. UM, OF THE 78 OR 80 ACRES IT PLANS TO DEVELOP, I THINK IT WAS 36. I'M NOT QUITE SURE IF THAT'S THE NUMBER. MY PARENTS MOVED TO THE GATED COMMUNITY OF SEABROOK ISLAND IN CHARLESTON 22 YEARS AGO, AND THAT IS WHERE CAMP ST. CHRISTOPHER IS LOCATED. UM, I CAN HONESTLY SAY IN, IN MY OPINION, AND JUST HAVING PARENTS THERE AND ALL THEIR FRIENDS THAT I'VE NEVER HEARD THEM COMPLAIN ABOUT CAMP ST. CHRISTOPHER. IT'S BEEN THERE 70 YEARS AS FAR AS TRAFFIC, AND INSIDE AND OUTSIDE IT'S A GATED COMMUNITY. AND THEY WOULD KNOW. UM, IT JUST TO US HAS NOT BEEN AN ISSUE THAT OUR PARENTS HAVE HAD TO DEAL WITH. SO IT WOULD BE IN THE LONG RUN, A TRUE BLESSING TO ALLOW CAMP JUBILEE HERE AT THIS SITE TO FINALIZE THE PLANS FOR A CAMP NOW SO THAT WE WILL KNOW, WE WILL ALL KNOW WHAT TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT WILL BE IN THIS BEAUTIFUL AREA FOR MANY YEARS TO COME. THANK YOU. THANK YOU KEITH NICHOLSON. GOOD EVENING. EXCUSE ME. GOOD EVENING. APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK. UM, MY NAME'S KEITH NICHOLSON. MY WIFE AND I KIM OWN THE PROPERTY AT 4 0 7 BRICKYARD POINT ROAD. SO WE WOULD BE WITHIN A A HUNDRED OR 200 YARDS JUST TO THE NORTH OF THE PROPERTY. AND I'D LIKE TO ECHO WHAT THE PREVIOUS SPEAKERS HAVE SAID. IT'D BE GREAT IF THIS PROPERTY COULD REMAIN PRISTINE AS IT IS, BUT IT'S INEVITABLE. IT WILL BE DEVELOPED SOME WAY AT SOME POINT. SO THAT'S WHY WE RISE IN SUPPORT OF THE CAM JUBILEE PLAN. I BELIEVE IT'S THE MOST REASONABLE AND PRUDENT USE OF THE LAND RIGHT NOW. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. KIM NICHOLSON. I WAIVE MY POINTS TO, OKAY. , UH, KATHY PRITZ. KATHY, BOTH. GOOD EVENING. I'M KATHY PRINCE MCGILL AND I LIVE ON 10 BRICKYARD HILLS DRIVE. BRICKYARD HILLS DRIVE IS THE ROAD DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE MAIN ENTRANCE THAT THEY'RE PROPOSING FOR THIS CAMP. FIRST OF ALL, I'LL SAY THAT I DON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEM WITH SUMMER CAMPS. MY SON WENT TO CHURCH CAMPS IN THE SUMMERS WHEN HE WAS GROWING UP, THE CAMPS THAT HE WENT TO WERE IN ISOLATED AREAS. NONE OF THEM WERE EVER IN THE MIDDLE OF A RESIDENTIAL AREA. THIS PROPERTY, THEY'RE PROPOSING PUTTING THIS CAMP ON IS SURROUNDED BY RESIDENCES. THAT'S THE REASON MY HUSBAND AND I MOVED THERE SIX YEARS AGO FROM GREENVILLE, SOUTH CAROLINA. I HAD, UH, FIRST OF ALL, ALL THIS CAME AS A SURPRISE SINCE MOST PEOPLE WEREN'T NOTIFIED IN OUR AREA. BUT IN THE MEANTIME, I HAD DISCUSSIONS WITH OTHER PROPERTY OWNERS AND I SUBMITTED A PETITION TO THE BOARD THAT HAS 179 SIGNATURES OF OTHER HOMEOWNERS IN THE AREA ASKING THAT SPECIAL USE PERMITS BE DENIED. I'M ALSO AWARE OF QUITE A FEW LETTERS AND EMAILS THAT HAVE BEEN WRITTEN BY OTHERS. UM, [01:20:01] I WENT TO THE MEETING, UM, AT, AT CHURCH THE OTHER NIGHT, AND WHAT I WAS TOLD WAS 16 WEEKS OUT OF THE YEAR THERE WOULD BE BRINGING IN 120 CHILDREN ONCE A WEEK, TAKING OUT 120 CHILDREN. AND IT'S ALSO MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THE COTTAGES, UH, CAN BE RENTED OUT FOR WHATEVER PARTICULAR USE, UM, TO WHATEVER PARTICULAR GROUPS THEY CHOOSE. AND IN A LOT OF WAYS, THIS SEEMS TO ME IT'S NOT ONLY SHORT TERM RENTALS, BUT IT'S A COMMERCIAL ENDEAVOR BECAUSE THEY'RE GOING TO CHARGE FOR THE ROOMS IN THE END. THEY'RE NOT GOING TO LET PEOPLE STAY THERE FOR FREE. UM, I KNOW THAT THEY'VE SAID THEY'VE DONE A TRAFFIC STUDY, BUT BRICKYARD POINT ROAD SOUTH IS A VERY NARROW TWO LANE ROAD WITH NO SHOULDERS NOR SIDEWALKS. PEOPLE WALK AND BICYCLE UP AND DOWN THAT ROAD. SO ANY INCREASE IN TRAFFIC WOULD BE AN ISSUE. UM, THE OTHER THING, TALKING ABOUT THE ENVIRONMENT, I BELIEVE THERE WAS, UM, ONE OF THEIR MAPS THEY HAD, AND ALL THE TREES WERE LABELED AS TO WHAT KIND OF TREES THEY WERE. BUT THE PEOPLE AT THE MEETING THE OTHER NIGHT DID NOT KNOW HOW MANY LIVE OAKS ARE IN THAT AREA, NOR HOW MANY THEY PLANNED TO CUT DOWN. AND IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT IT IS AGAINST LOCAL LAW TO CUT DOWN TREES, LIVE OAK TREES. WE ALSO HAVE DISCOVERED THAT WE HAVE RED C**K DEAD WOOD WOODPECKERS ON THE PROPERTY, WHICH ARE FEDERALLY ENDANGERED. SOMEONE ELSE SPOKE ABOUT THE EAGLE. I WATCHED, I TAKE MY DOG TO W AT, UM, WHITEHALL PARK, AND I WATCHED, UM, THEM DIM MARK OFF THAT TREE IN HU HALL PARK. THEY HAD THE EAGLE. BUT ONCE THEY STARTED THE ACTIVITY OF CHANGING EVERYTHING, THE EAGLE'S GONE. WE'RE ALSO CONCERNED ABOUT THE POLLUTION OF WATER THAT WILL CREATE, BE CREATED, BECAUSE I DO NOT BELIEVE YOU CAN BUILD A SEPTIC SYSTEM THAT IS NOT GOING TO HAVE ISSUES ON THAT PROPERTY. AND I DON'T THINK YOU CAN BUILD THEM UP AGAINST TREES BECAUSE THE ROOTS WILL GO THROUGH THEM. SO IT'S JUST MY EXPERIENCE. UM, WE JUST DON'T BELIEVE THAT THAT PROPERTY CAN HANDLE THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE WHO WILL BE THERE AT ONE TIME. AND THE RUNOFF WILL PULL NOT ONLY BROOMFIELD CREEK, BUT WILL EVENTUALLY, UM, PULL PROTECTED PROPERTY ON BROOMFIELD CREEK AND THEN GO INTO THE RIVER AND THE OCEAN. THE RESIDENTS WHO LIVE IN THE IMMEDIATE AREA ALSO BELIEVED THAT THE, UH, ADDITION OF THIS CAMP RETREAT WILL CAUSE CONSIDERABLE NEGATIVE EFFECTS TO OUR PROPERTY VALUE. THERE WILL BE LIGHTS ON, TALK ABOUT STREET LIGHTS. THERE WILL BE LIGHTS ON OVER THERE TILL 11 O'CLOCK EVERY NIGHT. IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING. KATHY, JUST WANNA REMIND YOU, HAVE UP TO THREE MINUTES. THANK YOU. I'M ALMOST DONE. OKAY. AND, UM, THAT LIGHTING WILL AFFECT US BECAUSE WE'RE RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET. THERE'S ALSO GOING TO BE CONSIDERABLE NOISE. SO THE PROPERTY OWNERS THAT HAVE SIGNED THIS PETITION ASKED THAT THE BOARD PLEASE DENY THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT BEING REQUESTED. AND WE DO HAVE A COPY OF THAT, UH, PETITION AS WELL. I DO. NO, WE DO HAVE, OH, YOU, WE HAVE A COPY OF IT. GOOD. GOOD. YES. THANK YOU. UH, MS. BARBARA LIPPER. HELLO, I'M BARBARA LIER AND I'M A RESIDENT AT TELFA MANOR. I LIVE AT 15 BRICKYARD HILLS DRIVE, WHICH IS DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET FROM WHERE THEY WANT TO BUILD THE CAMP. MY CONCERN IS THE PEOPLE THAT IT'S GOING TO BRING IN ROTATING WEEKLY YEAR ROUND, THAT IT'S GOING TO CREATE TRAFFIC PROBLEMS. THERE'S GOING TO BE CONTINUOUS NOISE SUMMER LONG WITH THE KIDS PLAYING AND WHATNOT. AND YOU CAN HEAR WHEN THEY DO THE WATER FESTIVAL DOWNTOWN, YOU CAN HEAR ALL OF THAT IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. SO THAT'S QUITE A DISTANCE FROM WHERE THE CAMP'S GOING TO BE. AND YOU CAN STILL HEAR EVERYTHING THAT'S GOING ON. I'M CONCERNED ABOUT WHAT THE TAXES, WHO'S GOING TO PICK UP THE, THE MONEY FOR THE TAXES OF WHATEVER'S CREATED FROM THE CAMP BEING BUILT. SINCE IT'S A NONPROFIT ORGANIZATION, THE HOMEOWNERS WILL IT RAISE OUR TAXES. AND, UM, ALSO AS A REALTOR, UH, IN A DIFFERENT STATE, [01:25:01] I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE VALUE OF OUR PROPERTIES WHEN PEOPLE FIND OUT THAT THERE'S A CAMP DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET FROM US. SO I'M DEFINITELY OPPOSED TO THE CAMP GOING IN. UM, OTHER PEOPLE, THEY THINK 25 HOMES IS A LOT, BUT YOU'RE ON THREE ACRES. TO ME THAT'S MAYBE 50 PEOPLE, 60 MAX COMING IN THERE AS OPPOSED TO HUNDREDS ROTATING IN AND OUT WEEKLY. SO THANK YOU FOR LISTENING AND HAVE A GOOD EVENING. THANK YOU. UH, THIS ONE, I GUESS THIS IS CAMDEN WIND WINDHAM. THAT'S RIGHT. UH, MY NAME IS CAMDEN WINDHAM AND MY WIFE KELLY, AND I LIVE AT SIX MARQUEE WAY IN TELFA. UM, WE ARE A FIVE MINUTE WALK TO THE POTENTIAL PROPERTY. UH, WE ARE FOR THE PROPERTY. I HAVE THE BLESSING TO BE ABLE TO WORK WITH STUDENTS AND YOUTH FROM ALL OVER THE COUNTY. UM, THERE MAY BE A FEAR OF NOISE OR BUSYNESS, WHICH IS UNDERSTANDABLE BECAUSE WE'RE NOT GONNA LIE THAT IT'S A CAMP. THEY MAKE NOISE AND THERE'S BUSYNESS. BUT ANYONE WHO WORKS WITH TEENAGERS OR KIDS KNOWS THAT THAT JOY IS, OR THAT NOISE IS JOYFUL. AND CHRISTIAN CAMPS ARE FILLED WITH JOYFUL SUPERVISED NOISE. WITH THE RISING NUMBER OF YOUNG FAMILIES MOVING TO THE ISLAND AND THE LACK OF PLACES AVAILABLE FOR THEM TO EXPERIENCE GOD'S CREATION, A CAMP WILL BE CELEBRATED. I EVEN HAD ONE CHILD AT A VACATION BIBLE SCHOOL TODAY TELL ME THAT THEY'RE EXCITED FOR THE CHANCE OF A CAMP TO BE IN THEIR TOWN. THIS CAMP WILL TAKE THE PLACE OF AN APARTMENT COMPLEX OR A HOME DEVELOPMENT AND PROVIDE A PLACE FOR BEAUTY. UH, THE BEAUTY OF BEAUFORT TO BE EXPLORED AND HONORED BY THE NEXT GENERATION. HOPEFULLY ONE DAY THEY CAN BE IN A ROOM LIKE THIS, ADVOCATING FOR CONSERVATION AND JOYFUL EXPERIENCES IN OUR TOWN. Y'ALL MAY OR MAY NOT WANT THAT ACTUALLY. UM, BUT MY PRAYER IS THAT IT WILL BE A PLACE THAT HONORS GOD AND ENDEAVOR, BUT TRULY BLESS THE ENTIRE ISLAND. I'LL CLOSE WITH THIS. THERE IS A BIBLICAL CONCEPT THAT IS KNOWN BY MANY, AND IT'S CALLED COUNTING THE COST. THE COST WE MUST COUNT AS NEIGHBORS, IS WHETHER WE WANT A CAMP THAT IS SEEKING RELATIONSHIPS WITH THE SURROUNDING COMMUNITY, OR DO WE WANT A DEVELOPER WHO WILL DO WHAT THEY PLEASE? AND WITHOUT REGARD TO OUR OPINIONS, WHEN I COUNT IT, I SEE THAT A CHRISTIAN CAMP IS WORTH IT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. BRUCE CLAN. HI, MY NAME'S BRUCE. EVA. I, UH, LIVE AT LE LUCY CREEK AND I'VE LIVED IN BEAUFORT SINCE 1978. UH, PLAYED IN ALL THE CREEKS AND THE RIVERS AND HAVE THE UTMOST RESPECT FOR IT. UH, I HAVE NOTHING AGAINST THE CHURCH OR THE CAMP, UM, BUT IF THIS CAMP IS PLACED IN THE MORGAN RIVER, THE SAU RIVER, THE BEAUFORT RIVER, IT MAY WORK WITH 120 KIDS PER WEEK IN THE LITTLE BROOMFIELD CREEK. THE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT IS GONNA BE INCREDIBLE. IT'S A TINY LITTLE CREEK. IT'S NOT THE, IT'S NOT THE BEAUFORT RIVER. IT'S NOT THE MORGAN RIVER. IT'S NOT THE SAU RIVER. IT'S A TINY LITTLE CREEK. YOU KNOW, WE, WE'VE, THE, THE PINK SPOON BILLS ARE FINALLY BACK. WE ACTUALLY SAW A MAN THE TWO WEEKS AGO GOT TO TALK TO DNR ABOUT IT, WAS VERY EXCITED ABOUT IT. UM, IT, IT'S, IT'S THE ENVIRONMENT IMPACT THAT REALLY CONCERNS ME. THAT'S, AGAIN, IF YOU PUT IT IN A DIFFERENT SPOT, IT MAY WORK. I JUST DON'T THINK IT'LL WORK IN THIS SPOT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU, DEBBIE. SHE, GOOD EVENING. I'M DEBBIE SHER AND I LIVE IN PARTRIDGE WOODS AND I'M ON BROOMFIELD CREEK, SO I'M ABOUT TWO DOCKS DOWN FROM THE PROPOSED SITE. I CAN STAND IN MY BACKYARD AND LOOK AT IT. UM, SO I'VE LOOKED AT THE PROPOSAL AND I WENT TO THE MEETING WITH THE CHURCH GROUP. REALLY APPRECIATED THAT. LEARNED A LOT. UM, BUT MY CONCERN IS, AGAIN, THE 120 KIDS COMING IN EVERY WEEK, AND THE EFFECT OF ALL THE NOISE AND THE LIGHTS AND THE ACTIVITY, WHILE IT'S, I, I AGREE IT'S JOYOUS, BUT I JUST DON'T KNOW HOW THAT'S GONNA AFFECT OUR LITTLE TITLE CREEK AND OUR NEIGHBORHOODS. UM, I'M ALSO CONCERNED ABOUT THE TRAFFIC. I KNOW THEY SAID IT'S, IT'S OFF, UM, PEAK TIMES, BUT WE'VE GOT A LOT OF RETIREES THAT, THAT AREN'T TRYING TO GET OUT BETWEEN SIX AND EIGHT IN THE MORNING, YOU KNOW, AND 120 KIDS BEING DROPPED OFF AND PICKED UP EVERY WEEK. THAT'S GOT TO DO SOMETHING TO THE TRAFFIC AND TO OUR, UM, AND TO OUR ROADS THAT, THAT BRICKYARD POINT ROAD. SO I WOULD ASK THAT YOU DENY THE PERMIT. THANK YOU. UM, GARRETT, WARDEN. WARDEN. GOOD EVENING. [01:30:01] UM, THIS IS MY FIRST EBOA MEETING AND I'VE GOT A NEWFOUND RESPECT FOR ALL THE COMMITTEE MEMBERS. SO THANK Y'ALL VERY MUCH FOR YOUR SERVICE TO THE, THE COUNTY AND THE COMMUNITIES WITHIN, WITHIN THE COUNTY. UM, LET'S SEE. I'VE LIVED ON LADIES ISLAND MOST OF MY LIFE. IN, IN GENERAL. I AM A PRO CONSERVATION AND PRESERVATION OF, OF LAND. UH, I, I SERVED ON THE OPEN LAND TRUST BOARD FOR SIX YEARS, AND I DO NOT SPEAK FOR THEM TONIGHT. THIS IS MY OWN PERSONAL, UH, OPINION. UH, I, I AM IN FAVOR OF CAMP JU JUBILEE, JOINING LADIES ISLAND AS, AS OUR NEIGHBOR. UH, AS WE'VE SEEN MOST OF THE 90 ACRES, UH, WILL, WILL NOT BE DEVELOPED. AND I, AND I TEND TO THINK BASED ON THIS, AND, AND I, I BELIEVE IN WHAT I'VE HEARD SO FAR FROM CAMP JU JUBILEE MEMBERS, IS THAT IF YOU DROVE BY THAT, YOU PROBABLY WOULDN'T EVEN KNOW THAT THERE WAS A CAMP, UH, BEYOND, UH, ALL OF THE TREES THAT ARE, UH, RIGHT ON BRICKYARD ROAD. UH, I HAD, I HAD SOME COMMENTS FOR MY CONCERNS ABOUT UPZONING. AND, UM, THERE, YOU KNOW, I I WOULD REALLY DEFER TO MS. PRINGLE BACK THERE. I THINK SHE HIT THE NAIL ON THE HEAD. UM, BUT WITH A POTENTIAL UP ZONE WHERE THERE ARE 240 AND OR 320 HOMES ON, ON THIS PROPERTY, YOU CAN SAY GOODBYE TO THE WOODPECKER, THE EAGLE. THEY, THEY WON'T HAVE ANY HOME, UH, RIGHT THERE. LASTLY, UH, WHILE I BELIEVE IT'S IMPORTANT IS JUST THE CHILDREN. UH, I ATTENDED ST. CHRISTOPHER AS A KID. UM, AND JUST THINKING ABOUT THE POSITIVE IMPACT THAT CAMP JUBILEE WILL OFFER, UH, AS A FATHER OF TWO, JUST SEEING THE PURE JOY ON THESE KIDS FACE EVERY TIME WE GO OUT FOR A, A LOW COUNTRY ADVENTURE. IT'S, IT'S, IT'S PRICELESS. AND, UH, WHAT WE COULD DO FOR FUTURE GENERATIONS OF CHILDREN EXPERIENCING THE LOW COUNTRY. UH, I REMAIN HOPEFUL THAT IF WE PROPERLY PLAN FOR INEV INEVITABLE GROWTH IN A BALANCED MANNER, FUTURE GENERATIONS WILL CONTINUE TO EXPERIENCE THE LOW COUNTRY IN A WAY THAT IS REMINISCENT OF PAST GENERATIONS, WHICH IS THE WAY IT SHOULD BE EXPERIENCED, ESPECIALLY FOR CHILDREN. I ASKED THE MEMBERS OF THE ZBOA TO PLEASE APPROVE THE SPECIAL ZONING, AND I ALSO HAVE A, UM, LETTER FROM MY FATHER-IN-LAW, WHO COULD NOT BE HERE TONIGHT. UH, HIS NAME'S CHARLIE WEBB. UH, HE GOES, I, I APPRECIATE THOSE WHO ARE IN ATTENDANCE TO EXPRESS THEIR VIEWS CONCERNING THE PROPOSED CAMP JUBILEE. ALTHOUGH THERE MAY BE DISAGREEMENT AMONG YOU, MY HOPE IS THAT YOUR DISCUSSIONS WILL YIELD POSITIVE RESULTS. I'VE ENJOYED AND APPRECIATED BEING A LADIES ISLAND RESIDENT FOR 67 YEARS. IT WAS A SPECIAL PLACE TO SPEND MY CHILDHOOD AND REMAIN SO TODAY, MY WIFE, MARTHA LYNN, AND I LIVED IN PARTRIDGE WOODS, WHICH BORDERS ON THE PROPERTY PROPOSED FOR CAMP JUBILEE, THE MARSH TIDAL CREEKS, FISHING, SHRIMPING, BOATING, AND YES, EVEN THE PLUFF MUD WERE NATURE'S PLAYGROUND FOR MY YOUNG CHILDREN. SINCE THOSE YEARS, RAPID DEVELOPMENT HAS OVERTAKEN MANY OF BUFORD'S NATURAL PLAYGROUNDS AND THUS LIMITED AREAS WHERE CHILDREN CAN EXPLORE, PLAY, AND LEARN. CAMP JUBILEE APPROVED BY OUR COUNTY DEVELOPMENT BOARD AND STAFF CAN BE THE BASE FOR ONE OF THOSE SPECIAL PLACES THAT ENCOURAGE CHILDREN TO LEAVE THE CELL PHONE AND SOAK IN OUR CLEAN SALT WATER, GET MUD BETWEEN THEIR TOES, AND NOT ONLY ENJOY, BUT ALSO APPRECIATE THE WONDERFUL PLACE WE CALL. UM, THANK Y'ALL FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU. EXCUSE ME FOR HOW I'M ABOUT TO PRONOUNCE THIS NAME. UH, WANSKI. IT'S, UM, IS IT THERE? THANK YOU. JANICE WANSKI. OH, I, I LIVE AT 53 CAMEROON DRIVE, WHICH IS DIRECTLY ACROSS WHERE THE DOCKS ARE OF THE COTTAGE UNIT ENDS. UM, I'M AGAINST IT. I'M AGAINST THEM PUTTING A CAMP THERE. UM, AS OTHERS HAVE SAID, THE NOISE, I, UM, I DO ATTEND THE YMCA AND WHEN CAMP IS IN SESSION AS AN ADULT IN THE POOL, IT IS NOISY, REALLY NOISY. I HAVE ALSO, UM, BEEN THE FOOD SERVICE DIRECTOR AT THREE DIFFERENT CAMPS IN MY YOUTH, OR I SHOULDN'T SAY AS MY YOUTH, AS A YOUNG ADULT. AND IT, IT, IT'S A NOISY ENVIRONMENT. YOU'RE GONNA PUT ME AS HE INDICATED, RIGHT ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE CREEK. IT'S A SMALL CREEK. SO YES, I'M GONNA HIT THAT IMPACT COMPLETELY EVERY TIME I'M IN THE POOL, EVERY TIME I'M ENJOYING MY HOME, IN MY WATERFRONT, HIGHER TAXED PROPERTY. UM, SO THAT SAID, IF, IF IT WERE TO BE PASSED, I REALLY WANT YOU TO MAKE SURE THERE'S GONNA BE A HUNDRED FOOT TREE BARRIER AROUND IT. SO IT WOULD HAVE ITS NATURAL LOOK. UM, NO WAY. SOMETHING HAS TO BE DONE WITH A NOISE AND THERE ARE NOISE BARRIERS, THERE'S OTHER THINGS THAT CAN BE DONE. UM, KIDS MAKE A LOT OF NOISE. AND SO FOR THOSE EIGHT WEEKS OF CAMP, I HEAR DIFFERENT NUMBERS. BUT EIGHT WEEKS OF CAMP, I WOULD BE CON VERY, I I WOULDN'T BE ENJOYING MY HOME AS MUCH AS I DO TODAY. THE LIGHTING, I I, IF, IF IT'S SUMMERTIME, WE DON'T GET DARK [01:35:01] TILL LIKE 8 30, 9 30. SO MAYBE THERE IS NO NEED FOR OVERHEAD LIGHTING, YOU KNOW, MAYBE GROUND LIGHTING OR SOME OTHER TECHNICAL LIGHTING COULD BE USED. SO WE DON'T HAVE THAT LIGHTING ACROSS FROM US. UM, SO I MAYBE THE DIOCESE COULD CONSIDER THAT. DEFINITELY NOT A SPEAKER SYSTEM. I MEAN, THERE'S ENOUGH TECHNOLOGY. WE DON'T NEED A SPEAKER SYSTEM AS THEY REFERENCED IN LAST WEEK'S MEETING. I MEAN, THERE'S WELL, CELL PHONES, THERE'S BEEPERS, THERE'S, I'M SURE THERE'S OTHER TECHNOLOGY THAT'S OUT TO AVOID A SPEAKER SYSTEM. WE DO HEAR, WE HEAR MCAS, WE HEAR THEIR ANNOUNCEMENTS AND ALL THAT. WE, WE UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT WE DON'T HAVE TO BE HEARING EVERY CAMP ANNOUNCEMENT THAT'S GONNA BE GOING ON. UM, SO THE NOISE IS OBVIOUSLY MY CONCERN. BIG CONCERN. I'M, I'M ALSO, UM, CONCERNED ABOUT THE ROADS AS WELL. UM, FROM WHAT I UNDERSTOOD DURING THE MEETING, IT'S NOT WEEKLY CAMPS, IT'S EIGHT WEEKS OF CAMPS. SOME WILL BE ONE DAY, SOME WILL BE COUPLE DAYS. IT DEPENDS ON THE AGE. SO THE TRAFFIC CONCERN IS, IS A REAL CONCERN TONIGHT. AS I WENT TO THE MEETING AND CAME DOWN MIDDLE ROAD, AND AS YOU'RE COMING OFF BRICKYARD POINT ROAD SOUTH, I'LL HAVE TO CHECK IT WHEN I, WHEN I'M GOING ANOTHER TIME, SOMEBODY BLEW THROUGH AND CUT ME OFF. I MEAN, I HAD TO STOP TO AVOID THEY, TO AVOID HITTING THEM. AND I JUST THINK ABOUT ALL THESE 120 PEOPLE DROPPING OFF THEIR, YOU KNOW, THEIR CHILD. YOU KNOW, THEY'RE NOT GONNA KNOW OUR CIRCLE ON SAMS POINT ROAD. THEY'RE NOT GONNA KNOW THAT BRICKYARD POINT ROAD. IT'S A CONCERN BECAUSE YOU HAVE, THESE ARE ALL VISITORS COMING IN, IN ADDITION TO THE, THE COTTAGES. UM, SO, UM, AND PERHAPS LASTLY, BUT MOST IMPORTANT, IF YOU DO APPROVE THE CAMP, MAYBE YOU WANNA RECONSIDER THE, HOW YOU'RE GONNA TAX US AND NOT MAKE IT JUST WATERFRONT PROPERTY. 'CAUSE WE'RE NOT GONNA HAVE THE SAME TYPE OF PROPERTY THAT WE HAVE TODAY. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S PERSONALLY 26 3 ACRE HOMES ON A PERSONAL LEVEL. I, I WOULD APPRECIATE THAT MORE. ON THE OTHER SIDE OF SHAMMY CREEK IS PLEASANT POINT, AND THERE ARE HOMES THERE, BUT WE NEVER HEAR NOISE FROM THEM. I MEAN, WE DON'T REALLY GET LIGHTS FROM, IT'S, WE'RE NOT DISRUPTED FROM THEM, BUT THIS IS A LARGE CONCERN OF MINE. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. WANSKI. HI, I'M, UH, EARL MURKOWSKI. I LIVE AT 49 CAMEROON DRIVE, AND JANICE IS ONE OF MY NEIGHBORS. UNFORTUNATELY, NOBODY EVER TOLD US THAT THIS WAS HAPPENING AT ALL. WE, WE LIVE DIRECTLY ACROSS THIS LITTLE CREEK, AND IF YOU LOOK RIGHT WHERE THAT'S BEING BUILT, WE'RE DIRECTLY ACROSS A CREEK THAT AT LOW TIDE, SOMETIMES IT'S 20 FEET ACROSS, BELIEVE IT OR NOT, HIGH TIDE, PROBABLY A HUNDRED TO 150 FEET. THE CREEK ITSELF, WE DO HAVE A LITTLE MARSH BARRIER, BUT THERE IS NO BARRIER BETWEEN US. NOW YOU GOT 750 FEET ON THE ONE SIDE WITH ALL THE TREES. WE'RE GONNA GET ALL THE NOISE, ALL THE LIGHTS AND ALL THE THINGS THAT JANICE JUST MENTIONED ARE GONNA BE ON US. NO ONE EVEN ADVISED US THIS WAS HAPPENING. I CAME IN VERY LATE IN THIS. THE ONLY REASON I KNEW ABOUT IT AND TOLD SOME OF OUR PEOPLE IN THE DEVELOPMENT IS I BIKE ON BRICKYARD. I'VE BEEN BIKING THERE. WE, I'VE LIVED THERE FOR 21 YEARS. I BIKE ON THAT ROAD BETWEEN 150 TO 200 DAYS A YEAR. AND I'VE DONE IT FOR 21 YEARS. IF THE TRAFFIC, THERE'S NO SHOULDER ON THAT ROAD, UNLESS YOU'RE GONNA BUILD A WIDER ROAD AND GIVE US SOME, SOME LEADWAY. MIDDLE ROAD IS BRUTAL. IF YOU GO DOWN MIDDLE ROAD, YOU'RE PROBABLY GONNA GET RUN, RUN DOWN. SO YOU USE BRICKYARD, BEAUTIFUL ROAD, VERY MINOR TRAFFIC. YOU START PUTTING ALL THESE PEOPLE IN THERE AND IT IS GONNA BE BRUTAL. THE, UH, I'M JUST CONCERNED, I'M KIND OF LIKE THE RIVER KEEPER ON, ON OFFICIAL RIVER KEEPER. I'M ON THAT RIVER MORE THAN THAN ANYBODY ELSE PROBABLY IN, IN THE WHOLE, IN THE WHOLE AREA. I MEAN, I, I'M ON THAT RIVER CONSTANTLY. I KNOW IT LIKE THE BACK OF MY HAND. AND, UH, NO ONE ADVISED US. AND YOU'RE GETTING OUR WHOLE DEVELOPMENT, WHICH IS CALLED SHAMMY CREEK DEVELOPMENT. WE'RE GONNA GET ALL THE IMPACT. THE WINDS THAT COME IN IN THE SUMMER ARE STRICTLY FROM THE EAST, SOUTHEAST, OFF THE OCEAN NORTH OR OFF THE EAST, NORTHEAST. ANY SOUNDS YOU'RE GONNA GET ARE GONNA COME RIGHT TO OUR WHOLE NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, FROM NOISE, LIGHTS, ANY ACTIVITY, IF THEY'RE USING ANY KIND OF, UH, HORNS OR ANYTHING THEY'RE DOING. I CAN'T IMAGINE THIS LITTLE CREEK PUTTING 120 PEOPLE ON IT EVERY DAY. I MEAN, THAT'S JUST ALMOST MIND BOGGLING. I'VE WATCHED THIS CREEK DETERIORATE OVER THE 21 YEARS WHERE I USED TO GO OUT AND CATCH BOAT FULL OF FISH. IF YOU WANTED THEM, I'D CATCH AND RELEASE. THE BLUE CRABS HAVE JUST ABOUT GONE [01:40:01] AWAY. YOU PUT THIS KIND OF STRESS ON THIS CREEK, THIS LITTLE TEENY CREEK, AND IT'S PROBABLY GOING TO BE ENVIRONMENTALLY NO GOOD ANYMORE. THAT WILL FLOW INTO THE BEAUFORD BEAUFORD RIVER. UM, AND, UH, SOME OF THE OTHER THINGS I'M, I'M WORRIED ABOUT IS JUST SEPTIC. WHAT, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN WITH ALL THE SEP SYSTEMS, UH, WATER RUNOFF, JUST, YOU KNOW, OUR EXPOSURE TO THAT SIDE. AND LIKE JANICE HAD MENTIONED, YOU KNOW, IF YOU TAKE THE CRITICAL LINE, OUR CRITICAL LINE PROBABLY HAS ONE OR TWO TREES BECAUSE THE CRITICAL LINE GOES OUT INTO THE MARSH. NOW, IF THEY TAKE THEIR CRITICAL LINE BACK IT OFF A A HUNDRED FEET FROM THE SHORELINE, IT'S A WHOLE DIFFERENT BALL GAME. NOT, NOT FROM THE CRITICAL LINE BECAUSE THERE'LL BE ALMOST NO TREES ON THE CRITICAL LINE. WE'RE GONNA GET ALL THE IMPACT, OUR WHOLE DEVELOPMENT'S GETTING ALL THE IMPACT OF THAT. UH, I THINK WE'VE COVERED, UH, MOST OF THE STUFF. UH, LIKE I SAID, IT'S, IT'S GONNA HAVE A, A MAJOR IMPACT. THE OTHER, PROBABLY THE MOST OTHER THING, IF YOU DO HAVE CHILDREN, THIS CREEK IS, CAN BE, IT'S IT'S WONDERFUL CREEK, BUT IT CAN BE TREACHEROUS FOR PEOPLE THAT DON'T KNOW HOW TO SWIM. WHEN WE GET, UH, HIGH TIDES, YOU TAKE MICHAEL PHELPS WOULD HAVE A HARD TIME SWIMMING AGAINST THE CURRENT AND IT'S GOING IN DURING HIGH TIDE, COMING OUT DURING LOW TIDE. AND IF YOU GET PEOPLE COMING IN AND OUTTA THERE, THEY BETTER BE WELL COVERED WITH PEOPLE THAT ARE WATCHING THEM. OR YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A BODY FLOATING DOWN DOWN THE CREEK. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. UH, PATRICK. UM, ROYAL, GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS PAT RAUL. UM, I'VE BEEN RESIDING IN PARTRIDGE WOODS WITH MY WIFE AND I'VE BEEN THERE FOR 33 YEARS. UM, I'M IN FAVOR OF THE PROPERTY OF BRICKYARD POINT ROAD ON THESE ISLAND BEING APPROVED TO RECEIVE SPECIAL ZONING IN ORDER TO, FOR THE ANGLICAN, SOUTH CAROLINA, ESTABLISH A CAMP KNOWN AS CAMP JUBILEE. I RESIDED IN PARTRIDGE STREET SUBDIVISION WITH, UM, WHICH IS IMMEDIATELY SOUTH OF THE PROPERTY FOR ALMOST 33 YEARS. AND OVER THOSE YEARS, I'VE WALKED, BEEN JOGGED MANY MILES BACK AND FORTH ON BRICKYARD, WANDERING AND DREADING WHEN THIS PROPERTY WOULD EVENTUALLY BECOME ANOTHER HOUSING DEVELOPMENT AND THUS LOSE MUCH OF ITS NATURAL STATE. IT IS THEREFORE MY OPINION THAT A CAMP, ESPECIALLY A CHURCH CAMP, ESTABLISHED WITH THE INTENT OF GIVING THE VISITORS AN EXPERIENCE OF THE NATURAL BEAUTY OF BEAUFORT COUNTY, UH, IS I FEEL IS THE BEST SOLUTION FOR THIS PROPERTY. AFTER REVIEWING THE MASTER PLAN THAT WAS PRESENTED AT THE INFORMATION MEETING LAST WEEK, I'M IMPRESSED THAT REVEREND KEN WELDON AND HIS TEAM HAVE DONE THEIR HOMEWORK AND THEY HAVE SOME OF THE SAME PASSIONS FOR THE NATURAL BEAUTY OF LADIES ISLAND AND BUT COUNTY THAT DREW ME HERE MANY YEARS AGO. I BELIEVE THAT IF GRANTED SPECIAL ZONING, THE ANKLE CAN DSS WILL WORK DILIGENTLY TO MAINTAIN AS MUCH OF THE NATURAL STATE OF THE PROPERTY AND HAVE MINIMAL IMPACT ON THE ECOSYSTEM AS POSSIBLE. ALMOST HALF OF THE PROPERTY IS WELL AND PRESERVE THE MASTER PLAN INDICATES THAT THERE WILL BE NATURAL BUFFERS AROUND ALL OF THE PROPERTY CONCERNING BROOMFIELD CREEK, WHICH CIRCLES THE WESTERN HALF OF THE PROPERTY. WHEN THEY ARE GRANTED DOCK PERMITS, THE NUMBER OF DOCKS WILL BE, WILL NOT EXCEED FOUR. CAMP JUBILEE IS PRIMARILY A SUMMER CAMP FOR CHILDREN. FROM MY DISCUSSIONS WITH REVEREND WELDON, A MAXIMUM OF 120 CHILDREN AND UP TO ABOUT 30 STAFF, WHICH WOULD BE A FIVE TO ONE RATIO WOULD BE ON THE CAMP DURING THE SUMMER. HE SAID THEY EVENTUALLY PLANNED TO BUILD THE CABINS. UH, I THINK I HAD MY NUMBERS WRONG. I THINK IT WAS 48 ADULTS WHO MAY BE ON THE RETREATS DURING OTHER MONTHS. IN CLOSING, I FEEL THAT A CAMP MAINTAINED BY THE ANGLICAN DEIS IS THE BEST SOLUTION FOR THIS PROPERTY OVER ANOTHER HOUSING DEVELOPMENT. AND I THEREFORE, RESPECTFULLY RECOMMEND THAT SPECIALS ZONING BE GRANTED. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, SHANE GELLER. GOOD EVENING. UH, MY NAME IS SHEA GILLARD. I'VE LIVED IN BEAUFORT FOR EIGHT YEARS. I'M THE SENIOR PASTOR AT ST. HELENA'S ANGLICAN CHURCH, AND I'VE LIVED IN THE LOW COUNTRY MOST OF MY LIFE. AND, UH, JUST STAND TO SAY THAT WE ARE IN FAVOR. I'M IN FAVOR OF THIS SPECIAL USE FOR CAMP JUBILEE. I WAS THE SUMMER CAMP DIRECTOR, UH, AND ASSISTANT DIRECTOR AT CAMP ST. CHRISTOPHER FOR 10 YEARS. I RAISED TWO DAUGHTERS OUT IN THE CAMP. UM, AND WHAT I WOULD TELL YOU IS THAT YOU HAVE A HIGHLY TRAINED STAFF, UH, A GREAT GROUP OF FOLKS WHO WILL BE IN THE COMMUNITY. IT'LL BE A BLESSING FOR THE COMMUNITY. I THINK WE'VE TRIED TO DO EVERYTHING THAT WE CAN TO PREPARE, UH, UH, EVERYTHING THAT MEETS THE CODES, AND I JUST ASK THAT YOU APPROVE THESE SPECIAL USES. THANK YOU, BO MITCHELL. [01:45:05] GOOD EVENING. I'M BO MITCHELL. I'M A LIFELONG RESIDENT OF LADIES ISLAND. AND, UH, I JUST WANNA SAY WE'RE IN FAVOR OF CAMP JUBILEE. WE BELIEVE THE CREEK IS WHERE THESE CHILDREN NEED TO BE, AND, UH, WE'VE WATCHED DEVELOPMENT COME AND GO. WE, I TOOK PEOPLE TO LOOK AT SHAMMY CREEK WHEN IT WAS JUST AN ISLAND STICKING OUT WITH WASHING MACHINES. UH, UH, WE KNOW THAT THIS IS GONNA AFFECT OUR CREEK A LITTLE BIT, AND I LIVE ON THAT CREEK TOO. AND, UH, WELL, WE ARE VERY MUCH IN FAVOR FOR THE LACK OF DENSITY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. FRANK GIBSON. I'M FRANK GIBSON. THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE. UH, LIVE ON LADIES ISLAND. I HAVE BEEN IN BEAUFORT FOR 50 YEARS AS A RESIDENCE, AND THIS WILL BE MY 77TH SUMMER ON THE MAY RIVER IN BLUFFING WITH A SUMMER HOME. UH, IT'S NO NEED TO BE REPETITIVE, BUT WE DO NOT NEED ANOTHER SUBDIVISION ON LADIES ISLAND. DAVID, UM, TWO AND THREE MORE CARS. DAILY USE COMING AND GOING. WE DO NOT NEED THAT. THIS PROPOSED WELL-PLANNED CHRISTIAN CAMP WOULD DO WELL FOR THE ANGLICAN CHURCH, THE CHILDREN AND THIS COMMUNITY. SO I ASK FOR YOUR APPROVAL. THANK YOU. JEFF HEATLEY. HI, I'M JEFF HEATLEY. I LIVE AT 48 PARTRIDGE CIRCLE IN PARTRIDGE WOODS, AND I'M ABOUT PROBABLY FOUR DOCKS DOWN FROM THIS PROPOSED PROPERTY. AND I AM OPPOSED TO IT MAINLY BECAUSE OF THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOODS AND JUST PUTTING THIS DIFFERENT USE IN THE MIDDLE OF IT AND THE DENSITY INVOLVED. UM, THAT CREEK IS VERY SMALL CREEK, AS EVERYBODY SAID. I MEAN, AT LOW TIDE YOU CAN WALK DOWN THE WHOLE CREEK AND I JUST CANNOT IMAGINE THAT MANY PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, FOR HOW MANY EVER, UH, THEY SAY EIGHT WEEKS, BUT I THINK IT'S GONNA BE MORE THAN THAT. I JUST CAN'T MENTION THAT MANY PEOPLE IMPACTING THAT CREEK. AND I READ ALL THE LETTERS FROM THE RESIDENTS BEFORE THIS MEETING, AND MOST OF THEM WERE AGAINST IT. IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S CHANGED A BIT NOW, BUT, UM, FOR ALL THE SAME REASONS, THE TRAFFIC, THE ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUES, NOISE. SO I JUST, UM, I'M OPPOSED TO IT. AND I ASK YOU TO DENY THE BUSH PERMIT. THANK YOU. THEN HOFFER, UH, MR. CHAIRMAN, THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK. I AM BRAMPTON HARPER, UM, BEEN IN BEAUFORT 51 OF MY 56 YEARS. I'VE BEEN A RESIDENT OF LADIES ISLAND FOR 31 YEARS. MY FIRST HOME WITH MY WIFE IS JUST DOWN THE ROAD FROM THIS SUBJECT PROPERTY. I'M IN SUPPORT OF THIS SPECIAL USE, UM, BEING GRANTED, I THINK THIS WILL BE A GREAT ASSET FOR NOT ONLY LADIES ISLAND, BUT FOR THE CITY OF BEAUFORT AND REALLY FOR THIS REGION AS IT'S BEEN SET STATED BEFORE BY OTHERS, ANOTHER SUBDIVISION EVENTUALLY WILL COME. UM, COMPREHENSIVE PLAN WAS PUT IN PLACE IN 1990. I BELIEVE THE LAND USE RULES CHANGE OVER TIME, AND THIS IS THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE THIS PROPERTY SET ASIDE FOR A UNIQUE PURPOSE, UM, THAT ONCE IT'S IN PLACE STAYS FOR FUTURE GENERATIONS. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU. UH, JOHN SAWFISH, 1 26 CUSA . WHAT DOES IT LOOK LIKE? BEATS ME. LOOK LIKE SAWFISH. . THAT'S YOUR SAWFISH. WE COULD HAVE SHORTHAND. SHORTHAND, YES. MY DAD WAS A DOCTOR. UM, LIKE SOMEONE SAID A MOMENT AGO, I HAVE UTMOST RESPECT FOR WHAT Y'ALL DO. UH, THIS IS MY FIRST ZBOA MEETING. I'D LIKE TO SAY IT'S MY LAST. UM, BUT NEVER SAY NEVER, BUT I, I TRULY MEAN IT. UM, WHAT YOU GUYS DO AND THE PATIENCE YOU HAVE TO HEAR PEOPLE LIKE MYSELF OR ANYONE ELSE, UM, IS QUITE IMPRESSIVE. YOU'VE HEARD EVERYONE'S PERSONAL TAKE. I'M NOT GONNA BORE YOU WITH MY PERSONAL TAKE OTHER THAN TO SAY I'M HERE VERY MUCH IN SUPPORT OF CAMP JUBILEE, BUT [01:50:01] I WANNA PUT A LITTLE DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE ON IT. AND ACTUALLY FOR THE FOLKS THAT ARE, YOU KNOW, PROBABLY NOT IN SUPPORT OR ARE DIRECTLY AND VIOLENTLY OPPOSED TO IT OR VEHEMENTLY NOT VIOLENTLY, UM, A QUICK STORY. SO IN JANUARY, FEBRUARY OF 1981, I WAS 15 AND I WENT WITH MY FATHER ALIVE AT THE TIME. AND, UM, WE WENT TO THE JAMES J. DAVIS ELEMENTARY SCHOOL IN DALE, SOUTH CAROLINA. AND IF Y'ALL THOUGHT THAT IT WAS CONTENTIOUS A MINUTE AGO, MULTIPLY IT BY 10. I MEAN, YOU WALKED IN AND IT WAS HOT. AND I WAS A YOUNG MAN AND I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT I WAS SEEING, BUT I KNEW I DIDN'T LIKE IT. UM, AND WHAT WAS ON THE TABLE WAS A PRESENTATION TO ALLOW SOMETHING CALLED THE BEAUFORT MARINE INSTITUTE IN DALE, SOUTH CAROLINA, WHICH IN TREMENDOUS CONTRAST TO THE SUBJECT GROUP OF CHILDREN THAT WOULD BE AT CAMP JUBILEE, BEAUFORT MARINE INSTITUTE, MIND YOU, 46 YEARS AGO, UM, IS FOR INDIGENT CHILDREN, OR CHILDREN THAT HAVE BEEN IN THE PENAL SYSTEM OR THAT BASICALLY IN, IN THE, IN THE CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM AT A VERY YOUNG AGE. SO YOU CAN IMAGINE IN A SMALL TOWN LIKE DALE AND THE THOUGHT OF JUVENILE DELINQUENT BEING COM COMING AND BEING PART OF OUR COMMUNITY, IT WAS MET WITH FIERCE RESISTANCE. BUT HERE WE ARE, 46 YEARS LATER AND I'M NOT 15 ANYMORE. AND IT GOES ON AND IT HAS WORKED BEAUTIFULLY. AND ON A PERSONAL NOTE, UM, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT CHARTS, WE HAVE GRAPHS, WE ARE TALKING SORT OF NUMBERS. AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT CHILDREN. AND I KNOW OF FOUR IN SPECIFIC INSTANCES WHEN A, A FORMER ATTENDEE OF A BUTFOR MARINE INSTITUTE, I HAD A CHANCE TO MEET THEM. AND TO THE PERSON IT WAS ONLY FOUR, NOT A LARGE SAMPLE SIZE, BUT FOUR, LOOKED ME DEAD IN THE EYE AND SAID IT CHANGED MY LIFE. NOW, I'M NOT HERE TO SUGGEST THAT EVERY CHILD THAT GOES TO CAMP JUBILEE IS GONNA HAVE THEIR LIFE CHANGED. MOST LIKELY THEY WON'T. BUT I GUARANTEE YOU THERE WILL BE MANY THAT WILL. AND SO WITH THAT TREMENDOUS CONTRAST OF A SMALL TOWN OF DALE AND A, A CAMP MADE FOR, FOR, YOU KNOW, CHILDREN WITH GENERALLY VERY, VERY ROUGH BACKGROUNDS AND IT WORKING GREAT FOR ALMOST A HALF A CENTURY, I'D LOVE JUST ASK Y'ALL TO THINK ABOUT THAT IN COMPARISON WITH WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED HERE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU JAN MALINOWSKI, MR. CHAIRMAN, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, YOU GOTTA, I DIDN'T KNOW YOU NEEDED TO BE A LINGUIST TO HAVE TO BE CHAIRMAN OF THE ZBOA, BUT YOU'VE, UH, YOU'VE DONE WELL TONIGHT WITH MY NAME AND OTHERS AS WELL. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. UM, I'M HERE SPEAKING ON BUT IN FAVOR OF CAMP JUBILEE. UH, I'VE BEEN A RESIDENT OF LADIES ISLAND FOR 33 YEARS, LIVE ON, UH, SUNSET BOULEVARD. AND DURING THAT 33 YEARS ON ON DURING THE 33 YEARS ON LADIES ISLAND, I HAD THE PLEASURE OF WORKING WITH JIM HICKS, WHO MANY OF YOU PROBABLY KNOW WHO WAS HEAD OF THE HAD THEN, UH, UH, I'M GONNA CALL IT A SUB ZONING BOARD CALLED THE LADIES ISLAND COMMUNITY PRESERVATION COMMITTEE. AND I'VE SERVED WITH JIM FOR 10 TO 12 YEARS. AND, AND IT, IT WAS, EVERY MEETING WAS INTERESTING AND UNIQUE AS THE MEMBERS OF THAT COMMITTEE STRUGGLED TO TRY TO MAINTAIN THE CHARACTER OF LADIES ISLAND. WE ALL KNEW THAT DEVELOPMENT WAS HAPPENING. THE STRUGGLE WAS HOW DO YOU BALANCE THE NEEDS OF THE RESIDENTS BORN AND RAISED OR MOVED HERE AGAINST THOSE WHO, YOU KNOW, WANTED TO DEVELOP THE PROPERTY. AND, AND FOR 33 YEARS, YOU KNOW, WE TALKED ABOUT HOW DO WE MAINTAIN THE RURAL CHARACTER OF, OF NORTHERN LADIES ISLAND IN PARTICULAR. AND THE PROPERTY UNDER DISCUSSION TONIGHT IS A UNIQUE SPECIAL PIECE OF PROPERTY. AND UM, IT APPEARS THAT BASED ON MY CONVERSATIONS WITH MEMBERS OF THE ANGLICAN DIOCESE, THEY HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO TAKE A SPECIAL PIECE OF PROPERTY AND CREATE A VERY SPECIAL USE FOR THAT PROPERTY. AND BASED ON THE PLANS THAT I SEE, UM, I THINK THERE'S ENOUGH OR PLENTY OF CONSIDERATION FOR BUFFERS PUTTING THE DEVELOPMENT, CONCENTRATING IN ON AN AREA OF THE ISLAND OR ON THE PROPERTY ITSELF WITH MINIMAL IMPACTS. AND I THINK, UM, FROM WHAT I HAVE SEEN AND WHAT I'VE HEARD, IT IS PROBABLY THE BEST SOLUTION FOR THE USE OF THIS PROPERTY, SORT OF, OR SHORT OF IT NOT BEING SOLD, BUT IT WILL BE SOLD. AND I THINK WITH THIS PLAN, UM, [01:55:01] THE RURAL CHARACTER CAN PROBABLY MAINTAIN AND SHALL BE MAINTAINED FOR MANY YEARS TO COME. THANK YOU. THANK YOU SHELLY LIN, YOU ARE DOING GOOD WITH NAMES TONIGHT. . UM, I'M SHELLY SCHLENZ AND MY HUSBAND AND I, UM, OWN THE PROPERTY AT 4 0 5 BRICKYARD POINT ROAD SOUTH AND WE ARE BOTH IN FAVOR OF THE PROPOSAL FOR CAMP JUBILEE. UM, YOU'VE HAD A LOT OF INFORMATION GIVEN TONIGHT FROM BOTH SIDES. UM, I'M MORE CONCERNED WITH THE RACING UP AND DOWN BRICKYARD RIGHT NOW. UM, BUT THAT'S TO BE TAKEN UP SOMEWHERE ELSE. I THINK, THINK THIS CAMP IS A GREAT, UM, USE OF THE, OF THE LAND. I WOULD MUCH RATHER SEE THAT THAN 25, 26, 27, HOWEVER MANY HOUSES THEY COULD PUT ON THAT LAND. I THINK YOU'D FIND THE TRAFFIC WOULD BE MUCH WORSE IF YOU HAD A DEVELOPMENT, UM, ON THAT SPACE. SO I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME. THANKS. THANK YOU. I'M GONNA STAY IN THE LEAD WHILE I CAN, MS. PAM, I'M NOT GONNA EVEN TRY TO PRONOUNCE YOUR LAST NAME. GOLDSMITH PAM. ALRIGHT. I GUESS SHE COULDN'T WAIT NO LONGER. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT FOR THIS ITEM? WELL, AT THIS POINT WE CLOSE PUBLIC ITEM. THANK YOU EVERYONE. WE TAKE ALL PUBLIC CON UH, COMMENTS INTO CONSIDERATION AND, UH, DELIBERATION. UM, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN OF THE BOARD, WE'VE HEARD FROM BOTH SIDES. UM, WE HAVE TWO SPECIAL USE ON THIS THAT WE NEED TO VOTE ON. UM, WHILE YOU GUYS ARE PREPARED AND READY TO MOVE FORWARD ON IT, WE HAVE THE SPECIAL USE FOR THE, UH, LODGING UP TO 24 ROOMS AND THE MEETING ASSEMBLY GREATER THAN 15,000 SQUARE FEET. SO WE CAN MOVE ON THE LODGING FOR UP TO 24 ROOMS. I WOULD LIKE TO ADD ON THE LODGING, IF WE APPROVE IT TO LIMIT THE COTTAGE IN UNITS TO ONE BATHROOM PER UM, BUILDING, THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE SHOWING. BUT THESE ARE PRELIMINARY DESIGNS, BUT IF WE WOULD LIMITED TO ONE BATHROOM FOR GUEST COTTAGE, I'D BE IN AGREEMENT WITH THAT. I THINK IT WOULD KEEP THE RIGHT, 'CAUSE THAT WOULD KEEP, AND, AND FOR A PRECEDENT THAT WOULD BE A LOGICAL REASON THAT IT WOULD BE ONE ROOM. THAT WOULD BE THE CONCERN THAT IF YOU HAD TWO BATHROOMS WITH TWO ROOMS, THEN YOU'RE REALLY HAVING 24 ROOMS INSTEAD OF 12 ROOMS. WITH THAT BEING SAID, WOULD YOU LIKE TO, UM, DO, DO WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE, THE, THE WHOLE PROJECT? BECAUSE I HAVE A COUPLE OF OTHER CONCERNS. OKAY. I WOULD WANT THE ACCESSORY BUILDINGS TO BE SUPPORT SUBORDINATE TO THE PRIMARY USES SO THAT WE, THERE IS NOT THE TAIL WAGGING THE DOG. UM, AND THAT THE BUFFER BETWEEN THE, THE CAMP AND THE RIVER TO HAVE EXTREMELY LIMITED VISTA PRUNING AND BE MAINTAINED NATURALLY. AND WE CAN MAKE I GUESS THAT BEING A CONDITION ON THE, ON THE, ONE OF THE, PROBABLY THE, UH, THE JACKET MAY I I ONE OF'EM ONE OF MAYBE ON BOTH OF 'EM. YEAH, MAYBE WE DO IT ON BOTH OF 'EM IN CASE THEY'RE PHASED. SO IT MAKES IT FOR BOTH OF THEM. MR. CHAIRMAN, MAY I SUGGEST THAT WE JUST, UH, WOULD BE EASY TO SAY THAT THEY HAVE TO BUILD THOSE CABINETS AND COTTAGES AS THESE PLANNED SHOW? NO, I DON'T THINK THAT WOULD BE, I THINK THAT I WOULD HOPE THEY WOULD REVISE 'EM A LITTLE BIT. THEY'RE NOT GREAT. UM, BUT I THINK JUST LIMITED TO ONE BATHROOM, TWO SLEEPING ROOMS WITH RESPECT TO THE GUEST COTTAGE? YEAH, THE GUEST COTTAGES. IF WE LI LIMITED IT TO ONE BATHROOM. AND YOU, OKAY, SO YOU'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT THE UH, YOU'RE JUST TALKING ABOUT THE, THE YEAH. OKAY. I UNDERSTAND, BUT THERE'S ONLY, THERE'S ONLY ONE BATHROOM IN THERE NOW. RIGHT. BUT THESE ARE CONCEPTUAL DRAWINGS. I, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE FINAL DRAWING WILL BE. I MEAN IF THERE'S ONE BATHROOM IN THERE NOW, I MEAN, IF IF WE PUT IT IN THERE [02:00:01] AS A CONDITION, THEN THAT'S FINE. I MEAN MM-HMM. HOPEFULLY THEY'LL STAY WITH THE PLANS. MM-HMM. . BUT I MEAN, I DON'T HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THAT. UM, DO ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANY CONCERNS ON THIS? SO DO YOU WANT TO GO AHEAD AND AND AND PUT A, OR WOULD SOMEONE LIKE TO YEAH, I, I CAN MAKE A MOTION. UM, I MOVE, WE APPROVE BOTH SPECIAL USES WITH THE FOLLOWING, UM, CONDITIONS THAT THE GUEST COTTAGES, WHICH ARE CURRENTLY LABELED, UM, IN COTTAGES ROOMS 13 TO 24 WOULD BE LIMITED TO TWO SLEEPING ROOMS WITH ONE BATHROOM THAT THE BUFFER BETWEEN THE CAMP AND THE UM, THE CREEK IS MAINTAINED AS THICK AS POSSIBLE WITH LIMITED VISTA PRUNING. UM, JANE? YEAH, I THINK WE HAVE A HUNDRED FOOT BUFFER AROUND THE RIVER. RIGHT? I KNOW, BUT UM, LOTS OF TIMES PEOPLE GET REALLY CRAZY VISTA PRUNING AND THEY'RE GONNA ALLOW THAT. OKAY, GOOD. BUT I'M GONNA PUT IT IN THERE ANYWAY. UM, AND THAT THE, UM, UM, ACCESSORY STRUCTURES ARE SUBORDINATE TO THE, UM, PRIMARY USES. OKAY. AND YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT ALONG WITH THE OTHER EIGHT AND, AND THE OTHER EIGHT THAT THE COUNTY RECOMMENDED AS THAT'S THE CONDITION YOU PUT THE STAFF CONDITIONS. OKAY. MR. CHAIR, I HAVE ONE QUESTION ON THAT. GO AHEAD. UH, YOU'RE STILL GONNA ALLOW A SITTING ROOM IN THE COTTAGE? OH YEAH. OKAY. YEAH. WHEN YOU SAID LIMITED TO TWO BEDROOMS, RIGHT. TWO SLEEPING ROOMS, BUT IT COULD HAVE A SITTING SO THEY COULD, OKAY. YEAH. SO DO YOU HAVE ALL OF THE CONDITIONS? UM, HILARY. OKAY. ALRIGHT. SO IT'S A MOTION ON THE FLOOR TO APPROVE BOTH SPECIAL USE WITH A NUMBER OF CONDITIONS THAT THE COUNTY DO HAVE ON RECORDS. UM, DO WE HAVE SOMEONE TO SECOND THAT MOTION? I'LL SECOND IT. OKAY. SO IT'S BEEN PROPERLY MADE TO APPROVE THESE, UH, SPECIAL USE PERMIT. AND SECOND, ALL IN FAVOR OF APPROVING THANK AND THANK YOU FOR MAKING THE BUILDING SMALLER. I, WE GOT OTHER WORK TO DO EVERYBODY OUT BUSINESS. IT DOESN'T MATTER WHY, IT DOESN'T MATTER. THIS IS THE BUT I HAVE A COUPLE, UM, 12. YEAH, YOU'RE READY TO GO HOME, AREN'T YOU? WE ARE TOO. WHAT'S THAT? OH WOW. NO, THAT'S FINE. NO, YOU I THOUGHT THEY WERE, THEY'LL BE NERVOUS. OKAY. OKAY. OKAY. ALRIGHT, SO WE GOOD ON THIS? OKAY. UM, SO YOU SAID IS THE SAME 14TH, SO WE HAVE 12 NOW. YOURS SHOULD BE EASY. I HAVE THOSE, I HAVE THOSE. MOST PEOPLE DON'T BRING AN ATTORNEY. UM, BUT YOU SAID THIS NEW ONE IS IN THE SAME AREA, [02:05:08] BUT YEAH. UM, I JUST, I'M GONNA LOOK AT IT. TRUST ME. OKAY. YEAH. ALRIGHT. UM, ITEM NUMBER 12. [12. Ashley Timmons is requesting a Special Use Permit for a Lodging, Short-Term Rental Unit. The property is located at 207 Sea Pines Drive, St. Helena Island. The property is zoned T2-Rural (T2R).] ASHLEY TIMMONS. YEP. HI THERE. HI, MY NAME IS ASHLEY TIMMONS AND I'M HERE TODAY WITH MY HUSBAND SCOTT AND OUR FOUR CHILDREN. THEY'RE CURRENTLY OUTSIDE SINCE IT'S BEEN A LONG EVENING AND THEY'VE BEEN CRYING AND EVERYTHING, BUT WE'RE GRATEFUL TO BE HERE FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY TO MEET WITH YOU. UM, SORRY I'M A LITTLE BIT NERVOUS, BUT PURCHASING A HOUSE IN BEAUFORT COUNTY ON ST. HELENA ISLAND IS TRULY A DREAM COME TRUE FOR OUR FAMILY. AND ONE DAY WE PLAN TO LIVE HERE FULL TIME. WE FELL IN LOVE WITH COFFIN POINT THE FIRST TIME WE VISITED THE PEOPLE, THE CULTURE, THE COMMUNITY. MY HUSBAND AND NAVY VETERAN WAS BORN IN CHARLESTON AND IS NATIVE TO THE AREA. HAVING FAMILY IN CHARLESTON, SAVANNAH, AND BEAUFORT, WE ALWAYS HOPE THAT WE WOULD BE ABLE TO PURCHASE A PLACE IN THE LOW COUNTRY. WE LOOK FORWARD TO MAKING MEMORIES WITH OUR FAMILY FOR YEARS TO COME. WE HAVE NO CHANGE, NO PLANS TO CHANGE ANYTHING ABOUT THE PROPERTY OUTSIDE AND LOVE EVERYTHING ABOUT THE AREA. WE PLAN TO BE HERE AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE AT LEAST TWO WEEKENDS EACH MONTH. OUR GOAL IS TO MOVE HERE FULL TIME ONCE WE'RE NO LONGER CARING FOR ELDER ELDERLY RELATIVES IN CHARLOTTE. AND ONCE I'M NOT REQUIRED TO TRAVEL SO MUCH FOR WORK, THE ONLY REASON WE'RE LOOKING TO RENT OUR PLACE PERIODICALLY IS BECAUSE WE'RE UNABLE TO LIVE HERE FULL TIME. WE WOULD HATE FOR THE HOUSE TO SIT EMPTY AND WANNA SHARE THE BEAUTY WITH OTHER FAMILIES. WE SPECIFICALLY PURCHASED A HOUSE NOT IN THE COFFIN POINT, HOA, AND NOT WITHIN THE SEVEN DIFFERENT COVENANTS. SO WE WOULD BE ELIGIBLE TO HOPEFULLY GET APPROVAL TO RENT THE PROPERTY. THE PREVIOUS OWNERS RENTED THE HOUSE ON VRBO AND ADVERTISED THIS ON REAL ESTATE DOCUMENTS, ALSO PROVIDING RENTAL INCOME. WE JUST FOUND OUT DURING THIS PROCESS THAT THEY DIDN'T HAVE A, A PERMIT FROM THE COUNTY TO DO THIS. WE WANNA DO EVERYTHING THE RIGHT WAY, WHICH IS WHY WE'RE HERE. THERE WERE ALSO NO COMPLAINTS FROM ANY NEIGHBORS OR POLICE RECORDS FILED AGAINST ANY OF THE RENTERS THAT THEY HAD WHEN THE PREVIOUS PEOPLE WERE RENTING IT OUT. AT BEST, THE RENTAL WILL BE SEASONAL, NOT YEAR ROUND, REDUCING TRAFFIC ON THE ROADS. OUR FAMILY IN THE FUTURE AS OUR KIDS GROW OLDER COULD BE AS MANY AS SIX CARS COMING AND GO GOING. WE ALSO HAVE MORE THAN ENOUGH ADEQUATE PARKING FOR GUESTS AT OUR HOUSE. WE COULD EASILY HAVE 10 PLUS CARS IN OUR PAVED DRIVEWAY, WHICH EXTENDS UNDER OUR HOUSE. WE'LL NOT ALLOW OUR HOUSE TO BE RENTED FOR PARTIES AND WE'LL ADVERTISE THAT AS A HOUSE RULE. WE HAVE AN OUTSIDE CAMERA TO MONITOR OUTSIDE ACTIVITY WHEN WE'RE NOT THERE TO ENSURE OUR GUESTS ARE RESPECTFUL. WE WILL ALSO ENFORCE A FINE FOR ANY GUESTS WHO BREAK THE HOUSE RULES AND, AND WE WILL HAVE THIS AS PART OF THE RENTAL AGREEMENT. WE'RE LOOKING TO ONLY RENT TO OTHER FAMILIES AND WILL NOT RENT TO ANY RESPONSIBLE PARTY BELOW 25 YEARS OLD. OUR HOUSE IS FURNISHED AND EQUIPPED WITH AMENITIES TOWARDS FAMILIES WITH YOUNG KIDS LIKE US. SINCE WE WANNA HAVE ALL THE THINGS WE NEED FOR OUR KIDS WHEN WE'RE HERE. WE ALSO CAN PROMISE YOU THAT OUR FOUR KIDS MAKE MORE NOISE IN A FRATERNITY HOUSE ON A FRIDAY NIGHT. LUCKILY, OUR, OUR NEIGHBORS WILL LIKELY BE HAPPY WHEN OUR WILD CREW ISN'T THERE AND RENTERS ARE. MOST OF THE PEOPLE THAT WILL BE STAYING ON OUR BEHALF WILL BE FAMILY, FRIENDS AND NEIGHBORS THAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO CHARGE TO SHARE THIS BLESSING WITH. FOR EXAMPLE, OUR SON'S KINDERGARTEN TEACHER AND HER HUSBAND WILL BE COMING FOR A VISIT SOON BEFORE SCHOOL STARTS. WE WANNA PAY IT FORWARD AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE. WE WANNA EXTEND OUR HOSPITALITY TO THOSE THAT MAKE A DIFFERENCE IN OUR LIVES IN THE COMMUNITY. WE ARE EXCITED FOR THE TEA SEA TURTLE NESTING SEASON. THAT'S FROM MAY 1ST TO OCTOBER 31ST. WE TAKE THIS VERY SERIOUSLY AND HAVE EDUCATED OUR KIDS AND FAMILY ON THE IMPORTANCE OF FOLLOWING THE REQUIRED PROTOCOL TO ENSURE THE SAFETY OF THE TURTLES. WE HAVE PURCHASED BLACKOUT BLINDS FOR ALL THE WINDOWS. WE HAVE AN ELECTRIC ELECTRICIAN DISCONNECTING ALL OUTDOOR LIGHTS FACING THE WATER AND, AND PURCHASE SPECIAL FLASHLIGHTS IN CASE SOMEONE NEEDS TO GO TO THEIR CAR AT NIGHT. THERE ARE ALSO SIGNS THROUGHOUT THE HOUSE, INSIDE AND OUT, REMINDING PEOPLE OF THE NEST ECCS AND LIGHTS OUT POLICY. WE WILL ENSURE THIS IS INCLUDED IN ANY RENTAL INFORMATION FOR GUESTS AND STATED IN THE HOUSE RULES. WE UNDERSTAND THAT THE COFFIN POINTS, TURTLE PATROL GOES TO THE BEACH IN THE MORNINGS TO IDENTIFY AND NEST AND MARK THEM WITH STAKES. WE'RE THANKFUL AND SUPPORTIVE OF THIS GROUP OF VOLUNTEERS. UM, WE WOULD LIKE THE SAME CONSIDERATION THAT WAS GIVEN TO OUR NEIGHBORS THAT HAVE RECEIVED APPROVAL. 1 79 SEA PINES, 180 5, SEA PINES, 2 0 3 SEA PINES. THESE HOUSES ARE SIMILAR IN SIZE AS OURS, ON THE SAME ROAD AND HAVE THE SAME AMOUNT OR, OR, AND WE HAVE THE SAME AMOUNT OR MORE PARKING AVAILABLE. AND ALSO JUST ADD A COUPLE THINGS I WANTED TO ADD. JUST LIKE AFTER HEARING SOME OF THE OTHER COMMENTS TONIGHT. UM, CAROL, WHO'S HERE TONIGHT, SHE LIVES THREE HOUSES DOWN AND SHE'S SUPPORTIVE OF US BEING APPROVED. UM, THE BETWEEN CAROL AND I, THERE'S A SHORT, UH, HOUSE THAT'S A SHORT TERM RENTER AND, UM, IN THE 27 YEARS THAT SHE'S LIVED HERE, SHE'S NEVER HAD ANY ISSUES WITH ANY OF THE RENTERS SINCE WE'VE, UM, OWNED THE HOUSE SINCE APRIL. WE'VE NEVER HAD A SINGLE PROBLEM WITH ANYONE THERE. ALL OF THE GUESTS HAVE BEEN KIND AND COURTEOUS AND I KNOW SOME NEIGHBORS TONIGHT HAVE [02:10:01] SPOKEN ABOUT RENTERS TRASHING THE BEACH AND DISTURBING THE SEA TURTLES. I WOULD JUST WANNA KNOW, LIKE, IS THERE, DO WE HAVE PROOF OF THIS? ARE THERE, UM, PICTURES OR THERE ARE THERE POLICE REPORTS SHOWING THIS? UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S OR WHAT? THAT THESE WERE ACTUAL RENTERS BECAUSE THERE IS A PUBLIC COFFIN POINT, BEACH ACCESS THAT WE CAN WALK TO. IT'S WITH AND WALKING DISTANCE FROM OUR HOUSE. IT BRINGS IN, YOU KNOW, TONS OF PE YOU KNOW, PEOPLE THROUGHOUT THE YEAR FOR JUST TO GO TO THE BEACH FOR THE DAY. AND IT COULD, THESE PEOPLE COULD BE POTENTIALLY MESSING WITH THE SEA TURTLES OR LEAVING TRASH BEHIND. UM, SO, YOU KNOW, ARE WE GONNA HAVE A POLICE OFFICER THERE THAT'S GONNA MANAGE THIS BEACH, BEACH ACCESS AND FOLLOW THESE PEOPLE AROUND AND MAKE SURE THEY'RE NOT LEAVING TRASH BEHIND AND MESSING WITH THE SEA TURTLES. UM, THOSE ARE JUST SOME POINTS THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, I WANTED TO BRING OUT, BRING UP. AND THEN I ALSO HAVE THE COVENANTS AND RESTRICTIONS THAT SHOWS THAT OUR HOUSE IS NOT A, A PART OF THAT. WE'RE ON THE OPPOSITE END OF THE HOA. SO I HAVE THOSE DOCUMENTS AND THEN I HAVE THE REAL ESTATE DOCUMENTS THAT SHOW, UM, HOW THAT THE HOUSE WAS ADVERTISED AS A SHORT TERM RENTAL OR, UM, RENTAL BEFORE. SO IF YOU GUYS WANT THOSE DOCUMENTS, I'M HAPPY TO GIVE 'EM TO YOU. SO, UM, I'LL, SO ALL I'LL SAY IS, YOU KNOW, THANKS FOR YOUR TIME TODAY AND I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU GUYS HAVE. I'M SURE OTHER PEOPLE WANNA SPEAK AS WELL. SO, ANY QUESTIONS FIRST OR NO QUESTIONS? THANK YOU. THANK YOU. COUNTY STAFF LEASE, UH, APPROVAL UP THE BOARD, THE APPROVAL UP TO THE BOARD, OUR DENIAL UP TO. ALRIGHT. BASED ON THE COVENANTS AND RESTRICTIONS WERE VOTED ON, DOES NOT APPLY TO THESE. OKAY. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. UM, LET'S MOVE TO PUBLIC COMMENTS THEN. NO, MEAN, DO ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE COMMENT? ALRIGHT, WELL, LET'S MOVE TO PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS ITEM. UM, MS. LILLIAN HOLLIS, MR. CHAIRMAN AND MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL, THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TO SPEAK. I LIVE AT 2 0 1 MCTIER DRIVE TWO YEARS AGO. WHAT? THE TWO HOUSES ON EITHER SIDE OF US WHEN WE MOVED IN, MOVED THERE. THEY, THEY RENTED, BOTH OF 'EM RENTED TWO YEARS AGO. THEY STOPPED, BIFA COUNTY STOPPED THE RENTALS THERE AND I KNOW HOUSES FURTHER DOWN, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE THAT WERE RENTING, THEY ENDED UP SELLING THEM 'CAUSE THEY COULDN'T RENT ANYMORE. SO I, I DON'T KNOW WHY IT'S CHANGED. AND WHY ARE THEY ALLOWED TO RENT NOW? WHEN THEY TALK ABOUT THE SEA TURTLES? YES, THERE ARE SEA TURTLES. UH, PEOPLE THAT RENT, YES, THEY KNOW THEIR SEA TURTLES. THEY KNOW THE LIGHTS AREN'T SUPPOSED TO BE ON, BUT THE NEIGHBOR TO THE RIGHT OF US OR WHOEVER WAS RENTING, UH, THEY WOULD TURN THE LIGHT ON TO LET THEIR DOG OUT IN THE YARD AND THEN THAT LIGHT WOULD STAY ON ALL NIGHT LONG SHINING RIGHT INTO MY BEDROOM. AND THEY KNEW THEY WEREN'T. SO THE NEXT MORNING I WOULD HAVE TO CALL THE RENTAL COMPANY AND TELL THEM THAT THE NEIGHBORS WERE LEAVING THE LIGHT ON AND COULD THEY PLEASE CALL 'EM AND TELL 'EM TO TURN IT OFF? WE ARE A RESIDENTIAL AREA. RENTALS ARE COMMERCIAL, WHETHER THEY'RE SHORT TERM OR LONG TERM COMMERCIALS. COMMERCIAL MEANS MAKING OR INTENDED TO MAKE A PROFIT. I DON'T MAKE A PROFIT ON MY HOUSE. THAT'S MY HOME. I LIVE THERE FULL TIME. I'VE BEEN HERE EIGHT YEARS. AND I MOVED HERE BECAUSE OF THE PRIVACY, UM, HOW QUIET IT WAS, HOW RESPECTFUL PEOPLE WERE. I HAVE CALLED THE POLICE SEVERAL TIMES FOR FIREWORKS ALMOST EVERY YEAR ON, ON JULY. THEY'RE OUT IN THE, I MEAN, COME ON, LET'S FACE IT. IT IT'S DRY NOW. WE'RE NOT HAVING A LOT OF WATER. THEY'RE LETTING OFF FIREWORKS. AND I SEE THE FIREWORKS SHOOTING INTO THE WOODS NEXT TO ME. AND THIS GOES ON ALL THE TIME. ONE YEAR, I THINK IT WAS IN MAYBE I WANT TO SAY 2019, MAYBE IN JULY, THEY HAD A HUGE RENTAL GOING ON FURTHER DOWN THE BEACH FROM US OFF OF THE JEANETTE [02:15:01] ACCESS. AND THEY WERE LIGHTING FIREWORKS OFF ALL NIGHT LONG. AND THE NEXT DAY THE PEOPLE THAT LIVED THERE ON THE BEACH HAD TO CLEAN UP THE BEACH BECAUSE THEY LEFT DEBRIS EVERYWHERE. NOT TO MENTION THE DOGS, THE WALK AND THE DOGS WITHOUT THE LEASH NOT PICKING UP THEIR DOG FECES. UM, AND WHEN THEY TALK ABOUT LEAVING THE LIGHTS ON AND THE TURTLES, I JUST FEEL THAT THEY DON'T HAVE ENOUGH RESPECT. WHEN THEY, WHEN THEY WERE RENTING NEXT TO US, THE CHILDREN USED TO RUN AROUND IN OUR YARD, WE'D SEE 'EM RUNNING AROUND OUR HOUSE. YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY JUST DON'T RESPECT, RESPECT YOUR PROPERTY. THEY, THEY JUST KEEP GOING ON AND ON. UM, I KNOW PEOPLE HAVE TALKED ABOUT ONE 19, UM, SEA PINES, UM, ON THEIR, THEIR TIDE WATCH WEBSITE THAT IT'S LISTED ON THERE. AND IN BOLD LETTERS IT SAYS MONTHLY ONLY RENTALS, BUT YET THEY'RE RENTING EVERY WEEK. SO WHO POLICES THAT? IF THEY ONLY HAVE A PERMIT FOR LONG-TERM RENTALS, HOW ARE THEY RENTING EVERY WEEK? WHO POLICES THAT? I, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW. DID THEY HAVE A PERMIT? OBVIOUSLY NOT. I MEAN, I'M QUITE SURE IF THEY HAD A, IF IF, I MEAN, WE WERE TOLD THEY USED, THEY DID, BUT I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW WHO ACTUALLY CHECKED IT OUT, BUT YEAH. YEAH, BUT THAT'S, A LOT OF FOLKS BEEN OPERATING ILLEGALLY, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG, OH, I DIDN'T, YOU WERE TALKING, YOU SAID YOU MOVED THERE HOW MANY YEARS AGO? EIGHT. YEAH. AND THEY, THEY WERE RENTING SHORT TERM OR THEY WERE JUST RENTING? THEY WERE, BUT THEY STOPPED THEM TWO YEARS AGO. OKAY. BUT THIS ONE THAT EVERYBODY KEEPS PICKING UP ON THIS ONE 19 SEASIDE. 'CAUSE SEE, I LIVE ON MCTEER. THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT, WELL, WE GO BY THERE AND WE, WE SEE LIKE SEVEN OR EIGHT CARS IN, IN THE DRIVEWAY. OKAY. AND THEY'RE NOT, YOU KNOW, AND IT'S RIGHT ON THE BEACH, SO, OKAY. BUT, UM, IF THEY'RE ADVERTISING ON A WEBSITE, WE, FOR MONTHLY RENTALS ONLY, UM, MY FEELING IS, IS THEY ONLY HAVE A PERMIT FOR LONG-TERM RENTALS. BUT THEY'RE NOT, THEY'RE RENTING WEEKLY RIGHT NOW. SO YOU'RE NOT IN FAVOR OF I AM NOT IN FAVOR OF SHORT TERM RENTALS ANYWHERE. AND WHEN I WAS HERE LAST WEEK, LAST MONTH, EXCUSE ME, THEY, UM, I MEAN THEY DENIED SOMEONE THAT WAS JUST DOWN THE STREET FROM ME. SO I, I PLEASE URGE YOU TO CONSIDER ALL THESE SHORT TERM RENTALS IN, UH, ST. HELENA ON COFFIN POINT AREA TO, UM, NOT ALLOW, NOT ALLOW THEM. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. UH, RICHARD NEIL? RICHARD RICHARD'S NOT HERE. OKAY. CAROL. CAROL? YEAH. HI. I AM CAROL MILLER, AND YOU'VE HEARD ME HERE BEFORE AT THE MEETINGS. UM, I'M, I AM THREE DOORS DOWN AND ALL THE PEOPLE OVER HERE I BELIEVE ARE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF JEANETTE, WHERE THOSE MORE RESTRICTIVE COVENANTS APPLY. UM, WE DO NOT HAVE SUCH COVENANTS ARE NED FROM JEANETTE ON DOWN SEA PINES, THESE OTHER PEOPLE, SOME ARE A MILE AWAY. UH, YES, THAT IS TRUE. WE SAY OR SHARE THE SAME BEACH. HOWEVER, OUR BEACH, THAT BEACH IS PUBLIC. NO ONE OWNS THE BEACH. UH, THERE HAS BEEN ALREADY BEEN ANOTHER SUIT, AS YOU PROBABLY ALREADY KNOW, WITH PEOPLE FROM, UM, THAT'S NOT FOR THIS AREA NOW, BUT WHERE PEOPLE FROM THE COFFIN POINT THING HAD CLAIMED THEY OWN THE ENTIRE BEACH. UH, BUT, UM, THAT IS NOT APPLICABLE. THAT IS PUBLIC. UH, SO THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT FIREWORKS FROM THREE YEARS AGO. THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT BEING HERE FOR EIGHT YEARS. I'VE BEEN HERE FOR 27 YEARS AND I HAVE NOT SEEN ANY PROBLEM. UM, NOW YES, THERE ARE MORE PEOPLE IN BEAUFORT COUNTY AND THERE ARE MORE PEOPLE WHO COME OUT TO THE BEACH BECAUSE IT'S THE FREE BEACH. AND YES, THERE WILL BE MORE DISTURBANCES, BUT I HAVE NOT SEEN ANYTHING ON OUR END OF JEANETTE, I MEAN ON OUR END OF SEA PINES. AND I DON'T SEE WHERE THIS SHOULD BE [02:20:01] DENIED. THANK YOU MS. CARROLL. ARE YOU ON THIS END? THAT'S IN QUESTION. I'M ON HER THREE DOORS DOWN FROM HER. YES, I'M ON HER END. OKAY. ALRIGHT. UM, THEY'RE ON THE OTHER END. OKAY. ALEXANDRIA, I GOT NOMINATED. I GOT NOMINATED TO TAKE HER PLACE. UM, I, IT'S DIFFICULT, RIGHT? BECAUSE THIS IS A NEIGHBORHOOD IN TRANSITION AND WE STARTED OUT WITH A LOT OF RENTALS AND THEN RECENTLY THE SEVERAL HAVE BEEN NOT APPROVED AND PEOPLE HAVE SOLD PROPERTIES. AND BECAUSE OF THAT, I THINK THE MAJORITY OF THE RESIDENTS, AND YOU HEARD A LOT OF PEOPLE, I HATE, I HATE TO HAVE YOU HAVE, YOU GO THROUGH A WHOLE NOTHER PARADE OF EVERYBODY GETTING UP AND SAYING THE SAME THING OVER AND OVER AGAIN. THE BOTTOM LINE IS MOST OF US BELIEVE THAT THIS IS A RESIDENTIAL AREA AND THAT PEOPLE ARE USING IT FOR COMMERCIAL PURPOSES, WHICH IS NOT THE INTENT OF WHAT THE, WHAT THE AREA WAS MEANT TO BE. AND I HAVE DEEP SYMPATHY FOR SOMEONE THAT BROUGHT A HOME THAT FEELS LIKE THAT THEY BOUGHT IN A CERTAIN SPACE SO THEY COULD GET AN APPROVAL ON THIS. AND I CERTAINLY UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT WE ARE NOT IN, WE ARE IN ONE 17 C PINE, SO WE'RE IN THE SAME AREA. MM-HMM. AS FAR AS NO COVENANTS IS CONCERNED. AND SEVERAL OF THE ONES THAT HAVE BEEN TURNED DOWN RECENTLY ARE IN THAT SAME AREA. SO YEAH, I THINK IT'S A VERY, IT'S A DIFFICULT SITUATION, BUT I THINK THE COMMUNITY FEELS QUITE STRONGLY THAT WE'RE TRYING TO BRING THIS BACK TO A RESIDENTIAL AREA BECAUSE IT KIND OF GOT OUT OF CONTROL THREE OR FOUR YEARS AGO AND SOME CHANGES WERE MADE AND SOME THINGS WERE DENIED RECENTLY. AND WE FEEL LIKE WE'VE GOT SOME REAL MOMENTUM AND WE'RE TRYING NOT TO TAKE A STEP BACK. ARE YOU GUYS TRYING TO, UH, REVISIT THAT COVENANT? WELL, IT'S, IT'S QUITE UNCLEAR EXACTLY HOW TO GO HOW TO GO ABOUT DOING THAT. AND MAYBE OFFLINE YOU CAN GIVE US SOME GUIDANCE OF HOW TO DO THAT. BECAUSE I, I FEEL SORRY FOR YOU GUYS BECAUSE YOU'RE TRYING TO, YOU'RE TRYING TO IMPLEMENT SOMETHING AND IT'S NOT CLEARER, IT'S NOT CLEAR IN THAT SPACE OUTSIDE OF THE DEFINED COVENANT WHAT THE RULES ARE. RIGHT. SO IF THERE'S A WAY FOR US TO BE ABLE TO JUST SIMPLY HAVE A COVENANT TO DO THAT, I THINK OFFLINE, WE'D BE GLAD TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION. YEAH. I MEAN, AND, AND THAT WOULD GAIN, GIVE YOU GUYS SOME KIND OF CONTROL, RIGHT? YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT THAT'S WHY THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT ARE CONCERNED BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF RULES AND WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF CONTROLS AND THEY LIKE THAT. RIGHT. SO IT WOULD, IT WOULD HAVE TO BE SOMETHING THAT'S VERY SPECIFIC MM-HMM. TO THIS SPECIFIC ISSUE. BUT I THINK IF WE COULD DO THAT, WE COULD GET SOME PEOPLE TOGETHER AND AT LEAST HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT IT. BUT I THINK IN THE MEANTIME, WE, I THINK THERE'S A PRETTY STRONG CONSENSUS FROM MOST OF THE PEOPLE YOU'VE ALREADY HEARD FROM THE LAST ONE. YOU KNOW, THAT WE DON'T BELIEVE THIS IS IN, IN THE SPIRIT OF WHAT WE'RE, WHAT WAS LAID OUT AS A RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ISN'T A COUNTY ORDINANCE, YOU KNOW, IT'S A SPECIAL USE IF IT MEETS THEIR CRITERIA FOR THE APPLICATIONS, YOU KNOW, I JUST DON'T WANT TO, IT DOESN'T HAVE RESTRICTIVE COVENANTS UP. WELL, AND THAT'S WHERE IT IS AT. AND, AND MY HARDSHIP IS, YOU KNOW, WE, IT, IT MEETS THE CRITERIA. SO, I MEAN, I DON'T SEE WHERE IT DOES NOT MEET IT. SO THAT'S, THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I STRUGGLE WITH, ESPECIALLY WHEN WE DON'T HAVE A, UH, ANY KIND OF COVENANTS. GRANTED, I THINK THAT WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THAT, UH, THERE'S THE POINT THAT THEN THE CBOA BECOMES THE LAST LINE AS TO WHETHER IT MEETS THE SPECIFIC CHARACTER OF, OF THE AREA AND WHETHER IT IT CHANGES THE CHARACTER IN, I I, I DON'T THINK THAT THERE'S ANY COVENANTS OVER THIS, BUT WHETHER PUTTING SHORT TERM RENTALS IN THIS AREA PERMANENTLY CHANGES THE CHARACTER. AND I THINK THAT'S THE QUESTION THAT THE BOARD HAS. AND THAT IF IT FELT THAT IT DID, THEN IT HAS THE ABILITY TO DENY IT EVEN IF IT MEETS THE OTHER. THAT'S VERY, THAT'S A VERY SUBJECTIVE VIEW INTO THAT. AND WE DID A FEW VERY SUBJECTIVE VIEWS LAST MEETING THAT PEOPLE HAD CERTAIN CONDITIONS, YOU KNOW, WHICH, WHICH I VOTED WITH YOU, BUT, UH, LIKE CHILDREN ON THE, ON THE ROAD AND SO FORTH. AND, AND SO WE DIDN'T APPROVE IT, BUT IN THIS CASE, I MEAN, IT JUST SEEMS TO ME THEY MEET ALL THE RULES, THEY MEET ALL THE, ALL THE LAWS AND THE OTHERS ARE SUBJECTIVE TO, TO REJECT IT. AND I, I DON'T SEE A STRONG ENOUGH. I, I UNDERSTAND, BUT I DON'T SEE A STRONG ENOUGH, UH, SUBJECTIVE OBJECTION TO THIS. THAT'S ME. HOLD BEFORE WE GO ANY FURTHER, I THINK THERE'S ONE MORE, UM, PUBLIC COMMENT AND WE WILL, 'CAUSE I NEVER CLOSED PUBLIC COMMENT. SO, UH, I'M ASSUMING THIS IS FOR THIS MS. ANN MO. MY NAME IS ANN WEER AND I LIVE AT 1 37, 1 35 C PINES DRIVE. AND, UH, [02:25:01] I DIDN'T MOVE TO HILTON HEAD BECAUSE IT HAS SO MANY VACATIONERS PEOPLE WHO BUY ON HILTON HEAD DO NOT BUY BECAUSE THEY WANT TO LIVE THERE. THEY BUY BECAUSE THEY WANNA MAKE MONEY. AND THAT'S NOT WHY WE MOVED TO ST. HELENA. WE MOVED TO ST. HELENA BECAUSE IT WAS RESIDENTIAL AND FARM AND IT'S VERY, VERY NICE TO LIVE THERE 'CAUSE IT'S QUIET AND WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF TRAFFIC EXCEPT WHEN IT'S VISITOR TIME, THEN THE PEOPLE ARE COMING TO RIP AND AU AND, AND THAT KIND OF STUFF. AND OR GOING OUT TO, UH, HUNTING ISLAND. AND WHEN, WHEN HUNTING ISLAND IS BUSY, WE HAVE A DIFFERENT DIFFICULT TIME GETTING HOME IF WE GO INTO BEAUFORD. SO WE STAY HOME A LOT. WE DON'T GO OVER HILTON HEAD IN THE SUMMERTIME. WE ONLY GO IN THE WINTERTIME WHEN THERE ARE LESS TR THERE IS LESS TRAFFIC EVEN OVER TO BLUFFTON. WE DON'T GO IN THE, IN THE SUMMERTIME. ONLY IN THE WINTERTIME. SO WE WOULD LIKE YOU TO PLEASE KEEP ST. HELENA RESIDENTIAL BECAUSE MOST OF US WANT IT TO BE RESIDENTIAL, NOT COMMERCIAL. WE'RE NOT LIVING THERE SO THAT WE CAN MAKE MONEY. WE'RE LIVING THERE BECAUSE WE WANNA HAVE PEACE AND QUIET AND WE WANNA LIVE IN PARADISE BEFORE WE DIE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. AND YOU'RE VERY PATIENT. YES. YOU HAVE ANOTHER PUBLIC COMMENT. COME ON. AND AFTER THAT WE'LL CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT. YEAH, NO, I JUST WANTED TO ADD THAT LIKE, WE WOULD BE HAPPY TO, WE DON'T WANNA UPSET ANYONE. WE'D BE HAPPY LIKE WE ARE LOOKING TO RENT IT. JUST OCCASIONALLY IF THERE'S A, LIKE EVEN IF WE TOOK SOME TYPE OF LIKE WE CAN WIN, RENT IT ONE MONTH OUT OF THE YEAR, LIKE JUST SOMETIME THAT WE'RE NOT GONNA BE HERE, WE'LL BE HAPPY TO TAKE ON WHATEVER RESTRICTIONS WE NEED TO BECAUSE WE'RE NOT, WE'RE LOOKING TO BREAK EVEN. WE'RE LOOKING TO BREAK EVEN SINCE WE CAN'T USE IT ALL THE TIME. JUST COVER OUR EXPENSES. WE WANNA BE HERE AS MUCH AS WE CAN. LIKE I SAID, WE'RE COMING DOWN HERE AT LEAST, YOU KNOW, TWO WEEKENDS OUTTA EVERY MONTH THAT WE'VE COMMITTED TO. SO IF THAT'S AN OPTION, LIKE WE'D BE HAPPY TO TAKE ON ADDITIONAL RESTRICTIONS. THAT'S ALL I WANTED TO ADD. YEAH. I HAVE ONE QUESTION FOR YOU. SURE. WHO'S GONNA MANAGE THIS PROPERTY? UM, WE'RE LOOKING, WE'RE, WE'RE NOT SURE. I MEAN 'CAUSE WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN APPROVED AND HONESTLY WE'RE DOING SOME RENOVATIONS IN THE HOUSE, SO WE'RE NOT EVEN LOOKING TO RENT IT TILL NEXT YEAR. POTENTIALLY. WE'RE SPENDING ALL SUMMER THERE. UM, SO WE WOULD POTENTIALLY, I MEAN WE'RE OPEN TO OPTIONS IF IT'S, I MEAN EITHER WE RENT IT WOULD MANAGE IT OURSELF OR RENT OR MANAGE IT THROUGH A MANAGEMENT COMPANY. WE'RE NOT SURE YET THOUGH, TO BE HONEST, IF YOU RENT IT FOR OVER 30 DAYS, YOU DON'T NEED A SPECIAL USE. OH, OKAY. YOU MEAN UNDER 30, UNDER 30 DAYS YOU'RE SAYING? NO, OVER 30 DAYS. OVER 30 DAYS AT A TIME. CONSECUTIVE CONSECUTIVELY. OH, CONSECUTIVELY. OKAY. 'CAUSE WE WE'RE JUST LOOKING AT LIKE EVERY, A COUPLE WEEKS, EVERY OTHER WEEK, YOU KNOW, SAY EVERY OTHER WEEK. BUT MAYBE YOU COULD, YOU COULD DO YOUR POTENTIALLY ON THE FAR END OF THE MONTH AND IF WE NEEDED TO YEAH. RENT A MONTH IN THE MIDDLE. YEAH. WELL THAT, I DIDN'T KNOW THAT. SO THANK YOU. LIKE I SAID, I'M NOT AN ATTORNEY AND I DON'T, YOU KNOW, HAVE ALL THE ANSWERS TO EVERYTHING. I HAVE THE DOCUMENTS THAT I WAS PRESENTED WITH AS FAR AS, UM, IF YOU GUYS WANNA REVIEW THE COVENANTS AND RESTRICTIONS THAT SHOW OUR PROPERTY, IT'S NOT A PART OF THOSE. I HAVE THOSE. I ALSO HAVE THE REAL ESTATE DOCUMENTS THAT THE PREVIOUS PEOPLE HAD THAT SHOWED THAT THEY WERE RENTING IT. AND, UM, BUT, YOU KNOW, ALE, I GUESS ILLEGALLY OR IF YOU WANNA SAY THEM. YEAH, I HAVE A QUESTION. SURE. UM, IS YOUR ROAD PAVED OR IS THIS A IT'S UNPAVED. OUR, OUR, UM, DRIVEWAY IS, IS PAVED. BUT I MEAN, ARE THERE, UM, IS IT, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE ONES THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT BEFORE WERE VERY NARROW? NO, IT'S, I THINK, I THINK THERE'S PICTURES. I DON'T KNOW IF Y'ALL HAVE THOSE. I THINK THERE SHOULD BE A LOT OF PICTURES OF THE DRIVEWAY AND WE HAVE LOTS OF, OF, OF, OF SPACE AND WE'RE PRETTY CLOSE TO THE PAVED ROAD AS WELL. LIKE WE'RE CLOSE TO THE PUBLIC BEACH ACCESS. SO THERE'S LOTS OF PARKING AND EVERYTHING. YEAH. BUT SEA PINE IS UNPAVED, BUT CORRECT. THE ROAD IS IS UNPAVED. YES. ONE CAR WHO MAINTAINS THE ROAD? THE, I GUESS THE, THE EIGHT, I MEAN IT'S THE COUNTY. THE COUNTY WOULD MAINTAIN IT, NOT THE ROAD. RIGHT. THERE'S NO HOMEOWNERS. CORRECT. SO THAT'S ALL I WANTED TO ADD. THANK YOU. WELL, WE CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT. OKAY. UM, THEN YOU GUYS HAD SOME QUESTIONS OR CONCERN THAT YOU GUYS WERE TALKING ABOUT. UM, YOU WANT TO GO AHEAD AND CONTINUE IF YOU STILL HAVE THOSE CONCERNS? IF NOT, WE CAN PUT A MOTION ON THE FLOOR TO GRANT THEM OR DENY IT. I'LL MAKE A MOTION. WE APPROVE THE, UH, SPECIAL USE PERMIT FOR A SHORT TERM RENTAL. I'LL SECOND IT. SO IT'S PROBABLY MADE THE MOTION TO APPROVE A SPECIAL USE PERMIT, UM, FOR THIS APPLICANT. AND IT'S PROBABLY MADE A SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR OF APPROVAL [02:30:01] OF SPECIAL USE, ANY DENIAL. SO TWO DENIED. SO THEREFORE IT PASSED. UM, ITEM NUMBER [14. Timothy Shirtciiff is requesting a Special Use Permit for a Lodging, Short-Term Rental Unit. The property is located at 21 Frame Avenue, Beaufort. The property is zoned T2 Rural Neighborhood (T2RN).] 14, TIMOTHY SHELAN. TIMOTHY, THEY'RE NOT HERE. THEY'RE NOT HERE. I DON'T THINK HE SHOULD. HE CAME TO THE OFFICE AND WHEN HE FOUND OUT THAT I DENIED IT, HE, HE DECIDED TO NOT SHOW UP. SO DO WE WANT TO ALLOW THEM HERE'S COVENANTS ON IT. YOU CAN HEAR THE CASE. OKAY. WHETHER HE'S HERE OR NOT. OKAY. WELL, UM, I DON'T THINK HE'S GONNA COME BY. HE'S NOT. I TOLD HIM TO BE HERE. OKAY. WELL LET'S GO AHEAD AND MOVE FORWARD IN HERE IN THIS CASE THEN, UM, MR. TIMOTHY IS HERE FOR A SPECIAL USE PERMIT. UM, WE HAVE THOSE INFORMATION IN FRONT OF US. UM, DOES HE MEET THE REQUIREMENTS? UM, DO THE COUNTY WOULD LIKE TO SAY SOMETHING ON THIS. THERE'S COPIES COUNTY, UM, RECOMMENDED DISAPPROVAL. MM-HMM. BECAUSE HE HAS, UH, RESTRICTED DEED THAT STATES IT'S RESIDENTIAL ABUSE ONLY. OKAY. AND YOU KNOW HOW THE COUNTY FIELD, THIS IS A COMMERCIAL ABUSE. MM-HMM. . OKAY, SO WE RECOMMENDED DISAPPROVAL. ONE THING, THE QUESTION THAT I HAD, HILLARY WAS, DID THE COVENANT SEEMED TO ONLY APPLY TO PARCEL TWO. SAY AGAIN? AND THE DEED OF DISTRIBUTION. YEAH, IT APPLIED TO NUMBER TWO. IS, IS THIS PARCEL TWO? THAT IS. 'CAUSE I THOUGHT THAT 21, THIS BROOM WAS IDENTIFIED AT BY A SEPARATE, THIS OTHER TAX AMOUNT NUMBER THAT WAS NOT, UH, THIS PARCEL NUMBER IS 17. I HAD IT SOMEWHERE. SO, SO THIS 21 FRAME IS THE 17 EIGHTH SEVEN. SO 17 A IS THE ONE. YEAH. AND FOR THE MOST PART, THIS SHOULDN'T BE ALLOWED. IT'S DISTRIBUTION. OKAY. GOT TWO PARCELS ON. YEAH. PARCEL ONE IS 70 A AND THEN SO THE, THAT'S FOR THE DOC. SO YEAH, PARCEL TWO IS THE SEPARATE ONE THAT HAD COVENANTS ON IT. AND SO, SO THIS ONE DID NOT HAVE COVENANTS. ALRIGHT, SO 47 IS THAT, THAT'S THE 21 FRAME THAT I THOUGHT THAT HE WAS APPLYING AND 'CAUSE THIS IS, I FOUND ANOTHER D FOR HIM. AND I DON'T KNOW IF THIS WAS THE OTHER HALF OF THE LOT THAT IS A LATER ON THAT OBVIOUSLY DOES NOT HAVE THAT. THIS ONE IS 17 A SO WHICH IS THE, WHICH IS THE FRAME IS HIS TAX MAP OF 16 A IN THE TAX PARCEL? 17. IT SHOULD BE 19. SO MY ADDRESS IS 19. I, I, I DON'T KNOW, I DIDN'T LOOK INTO ALL OF THAT. THAT JUST TO KIND OF QUESTION MADE ME THINK THAT, UH, YEAH, HERE'S THE PLAN. SO WE'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT CORRECT. I CHANGED MY VOTE . SO WHAT, SO HE'S NOT A PART OF THE ADDRESS THAT WE'RE NO COVENANT. HE'S 17 A AND THE DEED OF THE RESTRICTIVE COVENANT, IT'S RESTRICTIVE DEED IS FOR 47 MM-HMM. NOT 17 A. SO, UM, GUESS HE'S, OKAY. SO ONE OF Y'ALL PLANS. SO OH, THEY'RE GONNA CALL FOR PUBLIC? YES. WE'LL CALL FOR PUBLIC COMMENT. UM, STAFF CHANGES FOR POSITION. ALRIGHT, WELL LET'S GO AHEAD AND LISTEN. LET'S HEAR FROM THE [02:35:01] PUBLIC COMMENT. UM, WE'RE GONNA OPEN UP AND, AND WAIT, BUT THIS GENTLEMAN DIDN'T SHOW UP BECAUSE SHOW UP BECAUSE HE THOUGHT IT WAS DISAPPROVED BECAUSE OF THE DEED, BECAUSE OF THE YES. BUT THAT WAS AN INCORRECT READING BY THE YEAH. SHOULD WE, SO SHOULD WE CONTINUE THIS WITH THE, THIS I THINK SO MORE INFORMATION. THAT'S WHAT I WOULD, I THINK SO TOO. I CALL BACK. I THINK ONCE HE, UH, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE DEEDS, OUR DEED AND HIS DEED, THE ORIGINALS AND THE CURRENT FROM THE LAST SALES OF BOTH PROPERTIES. UM, TELL YOU WHAT, WHAT I'M GONNA DO IS I'M GONNA OPEN UP PUBLIC COMMENT. COMMENT. OKAY. THAT WAY YOU CAN COME UP TO THE MIC. OKAY. UM, WE, WE GONNA GO AHEAD AND OPEN UP PUBLIC COMMENT SO THAT WE CAN'T HEAR FROM THEM. WE FIND Y'ALL HARD TO HEAR. I DON'T KNOW IF YOUR MIC'S NOT TURNED UP ENOUGH, BUT I NEVER COULD. AND I WAS BACK ON THE BACK SEAT BACK THERE. AND THEN WE GOT TO MOVE UP HERE TO LAST. ALRIGHT, I'M SORRY WE COULDN'T HEAR YOU. OKAY, BELL. SO LET'S GO AHEAD AND OPEN A PUBLIC COMMENT. THE LAST NAME BELLS BELL. BELL RIGHT HERE. YES. MY NAME IS, MY NAME IS CHARLES BELL. I'VE BEEN A RESIDENT OF BEAUFORT COUNTY ABOUT 60 YEARS. I'VE LIVED ON PAULY ISLAND FOR THE LAST 34 YEARS, AND I LIVED TWO DOORS DOWN FROM, UM, MR. SHORT CLIFF'S, UM, SHORT TERM RENTAL. AND UH, I AM ALSO HEAD OF THE PAULY ISLAND HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION. AND WE HAVE HAD NUMEROUS DIFFICULTIES, UH, WITH, WITH HIS SHORT TERM RENTAL. UH, NUMBER ONE IS HE NEVER WENT TO THE HOMEOWNER'S ASSOCIATION, TOLD US HE WAS GONNA HAVE A SHORT TERM RENTAL. HE JUST OPENED IT UP AND, AND THERE THEY WERE. AND NOR DID HE, UH, REGISTER IT WITH BEAUFORT COUNTY. SO HE'S BEEN OPERATING WITHOUT A, WITHOUT A PERMIT. UH, SOME OF THE THINGS WE'VE RUN INTO LAST WEEK, A GENTLEMAN CAME IN WITH A TRAILER HOOKED A PICKUP TRUCK WITH A BIG HARLEY DAVIDSON MOTORCYCLE IN THE BACK OF IT. AND AT 10 O'CLOCK AT NIGHT, HE'S OUT THERE REVVING THIS MOTORCYCLE UP. I COULD HEAR IT, UH, FROM MY HOUSE. AND SEVERAL OF THE NEIGHBORS HAVE BABIES AND SMALL CHILDREN. AND, UH, UH, THEY COMPLAINED ABOUT THE NOISE. AND, UH, UH, WE'VE HAD SOME OTHER PROBLEMS. LAST YEAR WE HAD SOME FOLKS COME IN THAT WERE DRINKING AND, UH, THEY WERE SHOOTING OFF, UH, FIRECRACKERS AND FIREWORKS AND, UH, I HAD TO GO DOWN AND ASK 'EM TO BEHAVE THEMSELVES OR I WAS GONNA CALL THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT. AND, UH, SO THEY FINALLY, UH, AFTER SOME FOUL LANGUAGE, UH, WENT IN THE HOUSE, WE HAD SOMEONE COME DOWN WITH A BIG BOAT. THEY PULLED IT DOWN FROM OHIO. IT WAS LIKE 30 FEET LONG. IT WOULDN'T EVEN FIT ON THE ROADS ON PAULY ISLAND. UH, THEY HAD NO PLACE TO PUT THIS THING. AND I'M A TRUSTEE AT THE GRAVES HILL BAPTIST CHURCH, SO I OFFERED TO LET THEM PARK THEIR BOAT AT THE CHURCH. UH, WHILE THEY WERE, WERE IN BEAUFORT. ALL OF POKEY ISLAND ARE, IS ONE WAY STREETS. THEY GO ONE WAY OR THE OTHER, AND YOU GO ACROSS A LONG CAUSEWAY TO GET THERE. WE HAVE CHILDREN ON GOLF CARTS AND WHEN THESE, WHEN THESE PEOPLE GET THERE, THEY GO THE WRONG WAY ON THE ROADS. THEY DON'T KNOW WHERE THEY ARE. AND IT JUST REALLY CREATES, UM, A PROBLEM. UM, AND WE, UH, THERE WERE 50 HOMES ON PAULY ALLEN AND, AND THESE FOLKS NEGATIVELY IMPACT ALL OF US THERE IN ONE WAY OR ANOTHER, JUST SO TIMOTHY IFF CAN MAKE A FEW DOLLARS. UM, SO I HOPE THAT YOU FOLKS WOULD DENY HIS PERMIT FOR SHORT TERM RENTAL, UM, JUST BASED ON THE FACT THAT, UH, JUST MAKES LIFE REALLY TOUGH FOR US. AND, UM, HE REALLY NEVER COMES AND TAKES CARE OF ANYTHING, ANY OF THE PROBLEMS. HE LEAVES THOSE TWO WE PEOPLE WHO LIVE THERE. UH, I WANNA THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND I APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I JUST, I HAD ONE QUESTION. IS THE, HIS HOUSE SUBJECT TO THE POY ISLAND? SIR, DO YOU MIND IF I APPROACH YOU? I'M, I'M HEARING IMPAIRED. I'M SORRY. SURE. YOU SAID THAT [02:40:01] YOU WERE THE PRESIDENT OF THE HOMEOWNERS. YES. HIS HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION IS HIS HOUSE SUBJECT TO THE HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION. UM, NOT REALLY. UH, HOMEOWNER ASSOCIATION JUST CONTROLS WHAT WE CALL THE COMMON PROPERTY. WE HAVE A BOAT LAB, WE HAVE A PARK, UH, WE CONTROL THAT. UH, WE HAVE NO CONTROL OVER HIS HOME WHATSOEVER. UH, YOUNG LADY THERE, UH, HAS SOME INFORMATION WHERE SHE SHARES A DOCK WITH SU THAT THEY SHARE A, A , THEY SAID SHARE A DOCK TOGETHER. AND SHE HAS THEM SOME CERTIFICATION WHERE HE AGREED NOT TO COMMERCIALIZE THE DOCK THAT THEY SHARE TOGETHER. AND, UH, SO PERHAPS THAT MAKES A LITTLE CLEAR. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I APPRECIATE IT. UH, WINDOW CRUISE. YEAH. UM, MY MOM LIVES AT 19 FRAME STREET AND IFF LIVES AT 21 FRAME STREET SIDE BY SIDE. I HEARD YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT 17 A, BUT WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THAT OR WHICH JUST A TAX MAP NUMBER. TAX. OH, TAX MAP. BUT, UM, ANYWAY, WE HAVE A, A SHARED DOCK. UM, HE IS, WHEN HE CAME IN, HE STARTED RENTING IT. HE HAS NOT EVEN TALKED TO MY MOM AND DAD ABOUT SHORT TERM RENTALS, AIRBNB OR ANYTHING. UM, BUT IN HIS DEED THAT HE SIGNED, IT SAYS, FOR RESIDENTIAL USE ONLY. MY MOM AND DAD'S DEED SAYS THE SAME THING. I'VE BEEN GOING DOWN THERE FOR 45 YEARS. MY GRANDMOTHER AND GRANDFATHER BOUGHT THE HOUSE AND THE YARDBIRDS WERE THERE WHEN WE HAD IT. AND THEY ALWAYS SAID STUFF THAT WAS IN THERE SO NOBODY COULD OPEN UP A COMMERCIAL CRABBING THING ON THE, ON THE DOCK OR DO ANYTHING WITH THE LAND. BUT, UM, IT'S BEEN NOTHING BUT A HEADACHE AND TROUBLE. AND WE'VE RECENTLY TALKED TO A LAWYER AND WE, WE SENT THEM A CERTIFIED LETTER, UM, WITH ALL THIS AND THAT. I ASK THAT YOU DENY THIS UNTIL THEY CAN GET SOMETHING. THE LAWYERS CAN TALK ABOUT THE DOCK SITUATION AND THE HOUSE, BUT IN THE DEED IT SAYS FOR RESIDENTIAL ONLY AND HE SIGNED IT DEED. YEAH, MY MOM AND DAD DID TOO. SO, BUT ASK THAT YOU DENY IT. THANK YOU. UH, KRISTIN COOK. OH, CHRISTINE, I'M THE DAUGHTER. THAT WAS MY BROTHER TO MY MOM AND DAD AND WEDO AND ANN CRUZ THAT OWN THE 19 FRAME AVENUE. AND JUST TO REITERATE, I'D LIKE TO EXPLAIN, UM, THE HOUSING SITUATION. THE TWO HOUSES SIDE BY SIDE WERE BUILT IN 1953. IN 1983, MY GRANDPARENTS BOUGHT THE HOUSE ON THE LEFT AND THE YARBOROUGH'S WERE CURRENTLY LIVING THERE. GREAT NEIGHBORS. THEY WERE THE SAME AGE. THEY, YOU KNOW, WE HAD COOKOUTS ALL THE TIME. IT WAS A FAMILY ATMOSPHERE. GREAT. UM, MY MOTHER BECAME, INHERITED THE PROPERTY IN 2007. AND SINCE WE'VE BEEN THERE SINCE 1983, WE'VE HAD GREAT NEIGHBORS ALL ALONG UNTIL MR. AND MRS. IFF BROUGHT IT, BOUGHT IT, AND THEY CAME, YOU KNOW, FOR A COUPLE OF MONTHS AND WE THOUGHT THEY WERE LIVING THERE. THESE ARE OUR NEW NEIGHBORS, YOU KNOW, THEY WEREN'T SO FRIENDLY, BUT WE SHARE A DO WE HAVE TO SEE EACH OTHER, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO SPEAK, DO THE NEIGHBORLY THING. AND THEN A COUPLE MONTHS INTO IT, YOU KNOW, THEY START, UM, RENTING IT OUT. WE HAVE DIFFERENT NEIGHBORS EVERY WEEK. AND THE MAIN CONCERN FOR ME IS THE SAFETY OF MY MOTHER WHO LIVES THERE FOR FULL TIME AND HAVE, HAVING DIFFERENT NEIGHBORS THERE ALL THE TIME, IT CONCERNS ME. AND WE WERE NEVER, IT WAS NEVER MENTIONED TO US THAT IT WAS GOING TO BE A RENTAL PROPERTY FOR US TO DISPUTE IT INITIALLY AND THEN COME TO FIND OUT HE WAS RUNNING IT WITHOUT THE PROPER PERMITS. SO IN MY OPINION, I FEEL LIKE YOU SHOULD TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION AND DENY IT. BUT NOT ONLY THAT, THE RENTERS THAT COME, THEY'RE NOT FROM THIS AREA. SOME OF THEM ARE NOT EVEN FAMILIAR WITH THE WATERWAYS AND THEY HAVE SMALL CHILDREN RUNNING UP AND DOWN THE, THIS DOCK. WE DON'T HAVE BOARD RAILINGS. WE HAVE ROPE RAILINGS AND IT TERRIFIES ME, BUT MY MOTHER CAN'T SLEEP WHEN SHE HAS A GUEST WITH SMALL CHILDREN BECAUSE [02:45:01] SHE'S AFRAID THAT THEY'RE GONNA, UM, FALL OVER. OKAY. IF SOMEONE PASSES AWAY OR SOMEONE GETS SEVERELY HURT, BEING THAT WE SHARE THIS DOCK, THERE'S AN ASSUMPTION OF LIABILITY THAT IF IT GOES TO COURT IS GONNA FALL ON MY MOTHER JUST AS WELL AS MS. IFF BECAUSE WE SHARE THIS DOCK. AND TO ME THAT THAT IS NOT FAIR. AND WE WERE NEVER GIVEN THE RIGHT TO DISPUTE HIM MAKING AN AIRBNB. SO I ASKED YOU TO PLEASE TAKE THAT IN CONSIDERATION AND DENY HIS PETITION TO MAKE IT A SHORT TERM RENTAL. THANK YOU. HOW MANY RESIDENTS ARE IN THAT? IT'S APPROXIMATELY 50 HOUSES. I I BELIEVE 50 HOUSES IN THE WHOLE LITTLE SUBDIVISION. YEAH. OKAY. BUT, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT THAT MANY WATERFRONT, BUT THERE ARE HOUSES BEHIND US THAT ARE NOT WATERFRONT. MM-HMM. . UM, UM, AND WHAT I WAS GONNA SAY ABOUT THE DOC TOO, WITH IT BEING TITLE AND THE LITTLE KIDS, YOU KNOW, WE'RE TERRIFIED. THEY DON'T, YOU KNOW, SO LIKE WE HAD ONE COUPLE, THEY HAD RENTED WATERFRONT PROPERTIES PRIOR, BUT IT WAS LAKE AND IT DOESN'T MOVE. AND SO THEY JUMP IN AND THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, AND IT IS JUST TERRIFYING. IT'S TERRIFYING. SO Y'ALL HAVE A DOCK EASEMENT WITH THE WE HAVE A, NO, WE DON'T, BUT THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS OUR ATTORNEY IS WORKING ON THAT, YOU KNOW, IF Y'ALL DO DECIDE TO GRANT IT, WE ARE GONNA, UM, PROPOSE TO GET A DOCK AGREEMENT THAT DOESN'T IN PLACE. IT GOVERNS THE USE AND WHO CAN COME ON. WE DON'T HAVE ANY OF THAT NOW. LIKE I SAID, WE, WEVE NEVER HAD ANY PROBLEMS WITH THE NEIGHBORS PRIOR TO THIS. UM, SO YES, WE ARE IN THE PROCESS OF GETTING THAT FIGURED OUT. IF, IF YOU DO APPROVE, PROVE THAT. I THINK THAT WAS IT. THANK YOU ANN CRUZ. GOOD AFTERNOON. MY HOME IS AT 19 FRAME AVENUE NEXT DOOR TO 21, WHICH IS ABOUT 20 FEET AWAY. UM, OUR DEEDS GOING BACK TO 1953. THESE TWO HOMES WERE ORIGINAL TO THE ISLAND. THE FIRST TWO HOMES ON THE ISLAND. UM, TWO BROTHERS FROM HAMPTON BUILT THESE TWO HOMES. AND SINCE 1953, ALL OF OUR DEEDS HAVE CONVEYED THAT THIS PROPERTY IS SOLD SUBJECT TO THE FOLLOWING RESTRICTIONS AND COVENANTS. AND NUMBER ONE SAYS THAT THE PROPERTY HEREIN CONVEYED SHALL BE USED FOR RESIDENTIAL PURPOSES ONLY. I ALSO HAVE A CONCERN WITH A SHARED DOCK WITH THE SMALL CHILDREN RUNNING UP AND DOWN IT. AND I'M CONSTANTLY HAVING TO TELL 'EM TO SLOW DOWN, DON'T RUN. AND OF COURSE I'VE HAD SEVERALS TELL ME, YOU CAN'T TELL ME WHAT TO DO. I SEEN THEM CRABBING ON THE DOCK, CATCHING LITTLE BABY CRABS AND, AND KEEPING THEM. AND I WAS TELLING THEM NOT TO KEEP THE BABY CRABS. AND THEY SAY WE CAN. MY BROTHER CAUGHT IT. I'M KEEPING IT. SO I HAVE PROBLEMS WITH SHARING MY DOCK. MY HOMEOWNER'S ASSOCIATE, MY HOMEOWNER'S INSURANCE DOES NOT COVER MY DOCK. IF ANYBODY GOT HURT SERIOUSLY OR ANY KIND OF, I AM HALF RESPONSIBLE FOR ANYTHING THAT GOES ON ON THAT DOCK. AND I'M TIRED OF SOME OF THESE PEOPLE COMING DOWN AND JUST TAKING OVER MY DOCK. AND BESIDES THAT, THEY'RE MAKING MONEY OFF MY HALF OF THE DOCK. AND I REALLY ASK YOU TO PLEASE DENY THIS AIRBNB NEXT TO ME. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. UM, JAMES FU. HUH? DREYFUS. YEAH. DREYFUS. YES SIR. THANK YOU, UH, FOR HEARING US. IT WAS OUR PARENTS, ANN, ANN AND I, OUR BROTHER AND SISTER WHO BOUGHT THAT HOME. AND I'VE HUNTED AND FISHED FROM THAT HOME ON THE SALT WATER AND UP IN THE CBEE AND THE SATCHIE THERE. IT HAD FRIENDS DOWN TO DO THAT. IT MEANS A LOT TO US. AND FOR SOMETHING LIKE WHAT'S HAPPENED TO CHANGE, UH, IT CHANGES THE TRAJECTORY OF WHAT WE CAN DO ON THE DOG. YOU KNOW, YOU GO OUT FISHING OR WHATEVER AND YOU COME IN AND THEY'RE OUT THERE, YOU KNOW. BUT, UM, AND I COULD GO THROUGH THE SAME [02:50:01] THINGS EXCEPT TO SAY THAT, UH, IT'S A PEACE OF MIND KNOWING THAT YOUR ISLAND IS SAFE. AND, UH, AND LIKE, LIKE IT'S BEEN SAID, THERE'VE BEEN SOME PEOPLE THAT REALLY DID NOT KNOW WHAT THEY WERE DOING ON A DOCK IN A SALT WATER TIDAL AREA. IT'S DANGEROUS IF YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE DOING AND YOU ALL SHOULD KNOW THAT YOU'RE FROM THIS AREA. AND I, LIKE I SAID, I'VE HUNTED AND FISHED DOWN HERE ALL MY LIFE. I'M 72, YOU KNOW. UM, SO, UH, IF PEOPLE CAME DOWN AND TRIED TO DO THAT AND THEY'RE NOT FROM THIS AREA, THEY'RE IN THE WRONG PLACE, MAN. UM, BUT PLEASE CONSIDER EVERYTHING THAT'S BEEN SAID CAREFULLY AND, AND TO KNOW THAT WE, WE LOVE POCKY. WE LOVE THE ISLAND, AND WE ARE GOOD NEIGHBORS AND MY FAMILY THAT YOU SEE ARE GOOD PEOPLE. THEY REALLY ARE. I HAVE A QUESTION. YES MA'AM. SO THE PROPERTY THAT IFF OWNS NOW WAS PREVIOUSLY OWNED BY THE Y BRO YARBOROUGH'S? NO, THAT WAS THE, WHO OWNED IT BEFORE AND THEN PAINTERS AND NOW CURRENT. OKAY. PAINT THE PAINTERS OWNED IT AND THEN, YEAH. OKAY. IT'S BEEN TO SEVERAL OWNERS. THEY'VE ALL BEEN WONDERFUL NEIGHBORS. I MEAN, YOU KNOW, GOOD PEOPLE. I MAKE ANOTHER COMMENT TOO. JUST WOULD YOU LIKE TO SPEAK TO THE DOG IS DIRECTLY IN FRONT OF OUR HOUSE. WE, WE CAN'T HEAR YOU. I'M SORRY. SORRY. UH, WHO? SHE WAS SAYING THE DOCK IS IN FRONT OF OUR HOUSE. I MEAN, WHEN THEY WALK OUT ON THE DOCK A LITTLE, THEY HAVE, I'M SITTING, I CAN SIT ON THE SOFA THERE RIGHT OUTSIDE THE DOOR AND YOU CAN SEE 'EM WALKING UP AND DOWN AND THEY'VE JUST GOT A LITTLE CADDY LITTLE WALKWAY TO COME, A CATTY CORNERED KINDA WALKWAY TO GET ON IT FROM THE OTHER HOUSE. SO IT'S NOT ON A PROPERTY LINE, IT'S IN OUR, OUR PROPERTY LINE? NO, IT'S ON OUR PROPERTY. THE, THE DOCK IS ON OUR PROPERTY LINE. BUT FOR THEM TO GET TO IT, THERE'S A, AN ADJACENT PART OF THE DOCK FROM THAT HOUSE OVER TO THE MAIN DOCK. I HAVE A PICTURE OF IT. IT'S LIKE A Y AS, AS MY MOTHER STATED EARLIER, THESE TWO HOUSES WERE INITIALLY BUILT IN 1953 BY TWO BROTHERS AND THAT'S WHY IT WAS EVER A SHARED DOCK AND WHY IT'S IN THE DEEDS AND ALL THAT AS SHARED DOCKS IS 'CAUSE NOBODY'S TRIED TO DISPOSE OF THAT. YEAH. THEY WERE BUILT AS HUNTING LODGES, LITTLE HUNTING LODGES, YOU KNOW. YEAH. AND THEY COME DOWN AND GO HUNTING AND IT'S BEEN A TRADITION, YOU KNOW, IT'S WHAT IT'S BEEN USEFUL. SURPRISED YOU GUYS DIDN'T BUY IT. I'M SORRY. I DON'T HEAR GOOD. WELL HE'S SAYING SURPRISE. WE DIDN'T BUY IT. DON'T WORRY. IF IT COMES UP FOR SALE, IT I KNOW. WE, WE ARE, WE'RE HOPING THAT IF, IF IT DOES IT THERE, UH, WE CAN MANAGE TO DO THAT, UH, BETWEEN US OR WHATEVER. BUT LIKE I SAID, THE WHOLE TIME THAT WE, IT'S BEEN OUR FAMILY PROPERTY, WE'VE HAD NO PROBLEMS WITH NEIGHBORS. AND I CAN SHOW YOU A PICTURE OF THE DOCK IF YOU'D LIKE TO SEE IT. I SEE IT ON THE PLA. YES. OH, YOU DO SEE IT. OKAY. OKAY. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR HEARING US. WE APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU. UH, LINDA IS THE YOU'RE WELCOME. OKAY. VERY HI, I'M LINDA MUTU. NO, I APPRECIATE Y'ALL LISTENING TO US. AND UM, I WAS BORN IN CHARLESTON, SOUTH CAROLINA AND RAISED IN LITTLE VAUDEVILLE, SOUTH CAROLINA AND HAMPTON AND VAUDEVILLE IS RIGHT TOGETHER. AND ALL OF US HAVE BEEN FRIENDS FOR YEARS. AND SO I, MY HUSBAND AND I BOUGHT OUR PROPERTY OVER THERE ON PAULY ISLAND IN I THINK 1977. I'VE HAD IT 46, 47 YEARS. AND THEN WE BUILT A HOUSE ON IT. AND UH, AUGUST 1ST WILL BE 26 YEARS. I'VE HAD MY HOUSE. I LIVE THERE BY MYSELF NOW 'CAUSE MY HUSBAND'S DECEASED. BUT, UH, WE KNEW ALL THE NEIGHBORS AND THE MAN THAT OWNED MOST OF PAULY WAS A LAWYER FROM WARRENVILLE. AND THAT'S WHY SO MANY PEOPLE FROM HAMPTON AND WARRENVILLE THERE. AND WE KNEW EVERYBODY IN THE YARBOROUGH. THEY WERE FROM SAVANNAH, BUT THEY WERE SO NICE. AND, UH, SO AS IT TURNS OUT, I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW WE HAD A GUY DOING SHORT TERM RENTAL. I DON'T LIKE THAT. I HAVE RENTED BEFORE. WE'VE LIVED IN SPARTANBURG IN GREENVILLE AND HAD, WE HAD FOUR CHILDREN AND WE WERE GOING TO MOVE AND THE LANDLORD SAID, I'LL CUT YOUR RENT IF Y'ALL ESTATE. I MEAN, 'CAUSE WE WERE GOOD RENTERS. BUT I RENT SOME PROPERTY ALSO, BUT I JUST DON'T WANT ANY SHORT TERM RENTALS. AND I'VE NEVER SEEN THIS MAN. I DON'T KNOW [02:55:01] HIM, BUT I CAN TELL YOU IF, IF HE DIDN'T DO AND PAY WHAT HE WAS SUPPOSED TO PAY, HE'S NOT VERY GOOD IN MY BOOKS. AND, UH, I WOULD TELL HIM TO HIS FACE 'CAUSE I'M A VERY OUTSPOKEN PERSON. AND UH, WHEN MY HUSBAND WAS ALIVE, HE USED TO WATCH THE, THE BOATS, UM, THE, THE DOCK AND EVERYTHING. WE CAN SEE IT FROM MY HOUSE AND HE WOULD WATCH WHO WAS COMING DOWN AND EVERYTHING. 'CAUSE WE DIDN'T WANT ANY JOHNNY COME LATELY OR FLY BY NIGHT THERE. AND THAT'S WHAT THIS GUY'S DOING. RENTING THE PEOPLE WE DON'T KNOW. AND I DON'T HAVE SMALL CHILDREN ANYTHING THERE NOW, BUT I WANNA KNOW WHO'S THERE. I WANNA KNOW WHO I CAN TRUST AND YOU DON'T KNOW IT FROM THESE PEOPLE. AND I WAS JUST RAISED IN A SMALL TOWN WHERE WHEN YOU WENT UPTOWN, EVERYBODY WAS YOUR PARENT. AND IF YOU DID SOMETHING, YOUR PARENT KNEW IT BEFORE YOU GOT HOME. SO I'M JUST NOT USED TO THESE PEOPLE JUST POPPING IN AND POPPING OUT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU MA'AM. THERE ANYONE ELSE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT? TURN AROUND AT THIS POINT. WE'LL CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT. UM, WELL WE'VE HEARD FROM THE COUNTY AND THE, UH, PUBLIC COMMENT, MR. CHAIRMAN, I THINK THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY HAS UNIQUE CIRCUMSTANCES WITH THE DOCK AND THAT THAT WOULD BE, UM, A REASON WHY IT SHOULD NOT BE, UM, APPROVED FOR SPECIAL USE. I THINK THAT, UM, MAKES IT NOT COMPATIBLE WITH THE CHARACTER OF THE LAND AND THE IMMEDIATE VICINITY IN THAT THE SHARED DOCK IS NOT A, UM, UM, A CLEAR USE, IF THAT MAKES SENSE. BUT I'M JUST TRYING TO MAKE THE CURRENT USE OF THE DOCK. WELL, IT'S JUST THAT I THINK THAT IT, UM, WITH THE SHARED DOCK, IT MAKES THE PROPERTY, UM, UNCLEAR ON WHAT THE, THE, THE, THE USE IS THAT WITH THE BEING IN FRONT OF THE NEIGHBOR'S HOUSE AND THE RENTAL PROPERTY USING IT, IT JUST IS A CONFUSING SITUATION THAT DOESN'T LEND ITSELF TO SHORT TERM RENTAL IN MY MIND. YEAH. ONE OF THE REQUIREMENTS IS IT'S SUPPOSED TO, UH, MINIMIZE ADVERSE EFFECTS INCLUDING VISUAL IMPACT THAT A PROPOSED USED ON ADJACENT LAND. SO I WOULD THINK, YEAH, MAYBE THAT'S MORE WHAT IT WAS INSTEAD OF WHAT I WAS SAYING. YEAH. YEAH. THAT'S, THAT'S DEFINITELY A NEGATIVE, SOMETHING BETTER THAT WOULD HOLD UP IN THE COURTS PROBABLY A LITTLE BIT BETTER. UM, SO WITH, WITH YOU SAYING THAT, DO YOU WANT TO GO AHEAD AND PUT A MOTION ON THE FLOOR? YEAH, I MOVE IF WE, UH, DISAPPROVE THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT BECAUSE IT WILL HAVE ADVERSE EFFECTS ON THE ADJACENT LAND, THE ADJACENT NEIGHBORS. SO IT'S A MOTION ON THE FLOOR TO DIE. I'LL SECOND IT, IT PROPERLY MADE. AND SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR OF DENYING THE SPECIAL USE. IT'S BEEN DENIED. THANK Y'ALL. THANK YOU. SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH BY THE WAY. I JUST WANT TO MAKE ONE COMMENT. YOU COULD NOT HEAR US, BUT WE COULD HEAR YOU. I HAVE A BIG, I HAVE A BIG MOUTH. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.