Jun 27, 2024 Zoning Board of Appeals

WE MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER SIX.

IF SO, I MOVE THAT WE, UM, APPROVE 'EM AS SUBMITTED.

SECOND MAY 23RD MINUTES IS PROPERLY, IS APPROVED, UH, PROPERLY MADE IN SECOND.

ALL IN FAVOR OF APPROVING THAT MAY 23RD.

I NOTE THAT I WAS NOT THERE.

AND NOW

[6. Allen Patterson is requesting a Special Use Permit for Mining. The property is located at 1515 Seaside Road, St. Helena Island. The property is zoned T2-Rural (T2R). ]

MR. ALLEN PATTERSON.

UM, PUBLIC NOTIFICATION.

YEAH, WE DID THAT ALREADY.

YOU DID? OKAY.

HI, GOOD EVENING.

MY NAME'S DAVID CARLI.

I'M WITH CAROLINA ENGINEERING HERE ON BEHALF OF MY CLIENT, MR. PATTERSON AND THE PROPERTY OWNER, MR. SANDERS.

UM, WE ARE HERE BEFORE YOU TODAY TO GET A SPECIAL USE PERMIT TO DIG A FIVE ACRE DIRT PIT ON A 218 ACRE PIECE OF PROPERTY ON ST.

HELEN ISLAND.

ESSENTIALLY, WE'RE DIGGING A FIVE ACRE POND IN THE MIDDLE OF A TOMATO FIELD.

IT'S ESSENTIALLY THAT SIMPLE.

UM, I'LL BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS Y'ALL HAVE.

ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? HOW WOULD YOU GUYS BE ACCESSING THAT? I THINK I SAW SOMETHING SAID YOU WOULD BE ACCESSING OFF OF SEASIDE, IS THAT CORRECT? YES, SIR.

THERE'S AN EXISTING ACCESS OFF OF SEASIDE WE WOULD BE UTILIZING.

AND IT GOES UP THE, THE EAST SIDE OF THE PROPERTY AND THEN INTO OUR PIT.

IT'S AN EXISTING DIRT ROAD ON THE PROPERTY.

SHALL .

SO YOU GUYS HAVE LOOKED AT, AT THE, UH, RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THE COUNTY.

WE SKIMMED THROUGH 'EM.

UM, WHAT DID THE COUNTY RECOMMEND? I MEAN, THEY REPRESENT, I MEAN THEY, THEY, IT'S APPROVED WITH CONDITIONS ON IT.

I DIDN'T KNOW IF YOU HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW THE CONDITIONS.

WE DID.

THE ONLY CON THE ONLY THING WE HAD A QUESTION ON WAS THE BUFFER A HUNDRED FOOT BUFFER FROM RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES.

THIS IS MY FOURTH OR FIFTH DIRT PIT I'VE PERMITTED IN THAT AREA AND WE'VE NEVER HAD TO PROVIDE ONE BEFORE.

AND I DIDN'T KNOW IF THAT WAS THE DISCUSSION WE HAD WITH Y'ALL OR IF WE TOOK THAT UP WITH MS. HILLARY WHEN WE WENT FOR OUR FINAL SRT HIL.

WELL, I GUESS WE ARE AHEAD FROM THERE.

THAT'S ON THERE.

WE'LL DO THAT AT FINAL.

WELL, ALRIGHT, WE'LL DISCUSS IT THEN.

THAT, THAT'S OUR ONLY ISSUE.

I KNOW I GOT OFFENSIVE.

YEAH, WE GOTTA PUT ROCK AT THE ROAD.

SO WE'VE DONE TWO OR THREE OF THESE BEFORE.

SO THE FIRST FIRST RODEO, HUH? ALRIGHT, WELL IS THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? THANK YOU.

HILLARY.

HAVE YOU APPROVE, I MEAN WE UNDER, WE HAVE THE RECOMMENDATIONS IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO COME UP AND SPEAK.

HUH? IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO.

I MEAN, WE HAVE YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS.

THEY CAME IN FRONT OF THE STAFF ROUTINE AND THIS, THESE ARE THE CONDITIONS WE DO FOR ALL OF THE PONDS.

I JUST COPIED AND PASTE.

SO THE MINE SHALL BE LIMITED TO 12 FEET DEEP AND NO MORE THAN FIVE ACRES.

FENCING THE PERIMETER BUFFERS, UH, RECLAMATION BOND FOR THE ROAD.

UM,

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HOURS OF OPERATION.

YOU GUYS ARE OKAY WITH THAT? SEVEN TO SIX MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY, SATURDAYS EIGHT TO FIVE.

YES MA'AM.

UM, ALL GENERAL STANDARDS OF THE CODE, UH, SHALL MEET, SHALL USE IT.

YOU'RE USING THE EXISTING HALL ROAD AND YOU HAVE TO ENSURE THAT SEASIDE ROAD IS KEPT FREE FROM DEBRIS.

UM, DEWATERING TO STORM WATER AT FINAL.

UH, APPLICANT SHALL RESEARCH TO DETERMINE IF A MONITORING WELL IS TESTING THE, THE, UH, THE SALT LEVEL IN THE WATER.

SO I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING YOU DO ALL THE TIME AND QUARTERLY REPORTS TO ENSURE THE DEPTH OF THE POND IS NOT MORE THAN 12 FEET AND CONFIRMS THE STORM WATER THAT IT CAN SUSTAIN THE 100 YEAR STORM EVENT.

SO THOSE ARE THE CONDITIONS THAT WE YES.

IS THERE A REQUIREMENT OF, SINCE THIS IS A 200 SOMETHING ACRE PIECE OF PROPERTY TO LIMIT IT TO ONE, UM, POND.

POND PER THERE'S NO, BUT YOU WOULD LOOK AT THAT IF IT CAME BACK FOR ONE THAT WAS TWO, THEY DON'T THREE ONE BIG 20 ACRE POND.

RIGHT.

IF YOU DIG FOUR OF THEM, WE'RE DIGGING A POND IN A TOMATO FIELD.

SO IF THEY COME BACK AND THEY'RE 500 FEET DOWN THE ROAD, FURTHER DOWN ON THE PROPERTY, AND WE'RE GONNA GIVE 'EM ANOTHER FIVE ACRE OKAY.

POND.

GOOD.

THERE'S NOTHING IN THE CODE THAT SAYS YOU ONLY GET ONE POND PER PARCEL.

THE 12 FEET DEPTH.

HAS THAT ALWAYS BEEN AN EFFECT? I THOUGHT IT WAS 20 FOR THE, FOR THE FIVE ACRE OR LESS POND.

IT HAS TO BE NO MORE THAN 12 FEET DEEP.

AND THAT'S WHY WE DO THE, UM, THE COURT REPORTS TO MAKE SURE THEY DON'T GO DEEPER THAN THAT.

THAT SHOULDN'T LAST LONG.

ALRIGHT, THANK YOU.

ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE COUNTY? WELL, WHAT WE'VE HEARD FROM THE COUNTY AND, UH, THANK YOU GUYS.

THANK YOU GUYS.

WE OPEN UP PUBLIC COMMENT TO DO.

IS THERE? OH, I GUESS I WOULD KNOW.

HUH? SIX ITEM SIX.

SO THERE'S NO PUBLIC COMMENT.

UH, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, WE'VE HEARD FROM THE COUNTY AND THE APPLICANT, WHAT WOULD BE THE PLEASURE? I MOVE THAT WE APPROVED A SPECIAL USE PERMIT FOR THE, UM, SAND MINE WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS THAT WERE PRINTED IN THE STAFF REPORT OUTLINED BY THE COUNTY.

I'LL SECOND.

SO THERE'S A MOTION TO APPROVE ITEM NUMBER SIX AND SECOND.

ALL IN FAVOR? YOU GUYS CAN MOVE FORWARD AND THANK YOU MR. POND.

ITEM NUMBER 10, ASHLEY OWEN AVAR.

BUT YOU HAVE TO, YOU HAVE TO DO EIGHT AND, AND CONTINUE IT.

LORI AND DENNIS ABBOTT REPRESENTING ASHLEY.

SO ITEM

[8. Lisa Prutsman is requesting a Special Use Permit for a Lodging, Short-Term Rental Unit. The property is located at 129 Sea Pines Drive, St. Helena Island. The property is zoned T2-Rural (T2R)]

NUMBER EIGHT, LISA WMAN.

THEY ARE REQUESTING TO BE DEFERRED TO OUR NEXT SCHEDULED MEETING.

I MOVE THAT WE DEFER IT TO OUR NEXT SCHEDULED MEETING.

SECOND IT.

SO IT'S BEEN PROPERLY MADE, UH, IT'S BEEN PROPERLY MADE TO DEFER THIS.

AND SECOND, ALL IN FAVOR OF DEFERRING ITEM NUMBER EIGHT.

ALRIGHT, THAT'S BEEN DEFERRED IN PUBLIC COMMENT.

THERE IS BE NONE ON THAT.

SO ASHLEY OWENS,

[10. Ashley Owen-Avart is requesting a Special Use Permit for a Lodging, Short-Term Rental Unit. The property is located at 50 Sea Pines Drive, St. Helena Island. The property is zoned T2-Rural (T2R).]

ITEM NUMBER SIX.

AVA IS 10.

ASHLEY, IS SHE HERE? NUMBER 10.

SEE WHAT WE GOT UP HERE.

WE'RE JUST REPRESENTING ME.

OH, YOU GUYS ARE REPRESENTING ASHLEY? YES.

AND WHO ARE YOU GUYS AGAIN? WE'RE GONNA BE THE PROPERTY MANAGERS, LORI AND DENNIS ABBOTT.

I'M ASSUMING THERE'S NO COVENANTS THAT YOU GUYS ARE CORRECT UNDER.

ALRIGHT, WELL JUST, UH, GO AHEAD AND ENLIGHTEN US.

TELL US WHAT, WHAT YOU'RE HERE FOR THE, A SPECIAL PERMIT FOR SHORT TERM RENTAL.

SO Y'ALL ARE NEIGHBORS TO THE YES.

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WELL, AND IS, IS THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? WELL, IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS WE CAN COME BACK TO YOU GUYS.

PARDON ME? I SAID WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, WE'LL COME BACK TO YOU.

UM, HILLARY, DO YOU WANT TO COME? WE HAVE YOUR RECOMMENDATION? I'M GOOD.

I DIDN'T FIND ANY COMMENTS AND RESTRICTIONS, SO.

SO WE DO HAVE PUBLIC COMMENTS FOR ITEM NUMBER 10, MS. VIRGINIA BRANCH.

GO AHEAD.

UM, I LIVE ON MC TIER DRIVE ON ST.

HELENA ISLAND.

AND, UM, THE PROPERTY THAT WAS ASKING FOR THE, UH, EXCEPTION OR WHATEVER YOU CALL IT IS RIGHT BEHIND ME.

UM, I'M, I, I, AND I THINK MY NEIGHBORS TOO ALL VERY MUCH WANT OUR NEIGHBORHOOD TO STAY THE QUIET RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD.

IT IS.

WE ALSO WENT THROUGH QUITE A TURMOIL A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO WHEN PEOPLE WHO DID HAVE SHORT TERM RENTALS HAD TO GIVE THEM UP AND WE WERE IN FAVOR OF THAT, BUT ALSO THE WHOLE THING WAS VERY DIFFICULT ON PEOPLE WHO DID OWN PROPERTY THAT PREVIOUSLY THEY HAD BEEN ABLE TO, TO GIVE SHORT TERM RENTALS TO.

AND SO I JUST THINK THE OPENING UP THE WHOLE IDEA AGAIN, UM, IS JUST NOT, NOT THE DIRECTION THAT WE WANT TO MOVE IN.

WE WANNA STAY SAINT IN HELENA.

WE DON'T WANNA TURN INTO HILTON HEAD.

I BELIEVE THIS IS ARNOLD HOLLIS.

HI EVERYBODY.

UH, I LIVE ON 2 0 1 MCTEER AND, UM, I'M OPPOSED TO THIS.

I HAD BEFORE THEY TURNED THIS ALL OVER TWO YEARS AGO, I HAD RENTERS ON BOTH SIDES OF ME FOR FOUR YEARS AND IT WASN'T PLEASANT.

SO I'M OPPOSED TO THIS.

I WOULD, I DON'T LIKE A SHORT TERM RENTAL.

SO WHEN YOU, I HAVE A QUESTION.

WHEN YOU SAID YOU HAD RENTERS, OBVIOUSLY THEY WERE JUST LIKE SHORT TERM, LIKE SHORT TERM ON BOTH SIDES OF ME AND IT WAS BRUTAL.

IT WAS BAD.

I, I, I CRINGED EVERY WEEK HOPING I'D, I'D GET SOMEBODY GOOD .

SO IT, IT WAS NOT, YOU KNOW, IT'S, AND I LIVE RIGHT ON THE WATER.

IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST, IT'S NOT THE PLACE FOR IT, I DON'T BELIEVE.

WHERE, WHERE ACTUALLY DO YOU STAY FROM THIS PROPERTY? HOW FAR, HOW CLOSE, UH, FAR IS IT THAT YOU ARE FROM THIS PROPERTY? UH, I WOULD SAY IT'S PROBABLY, UM, MAYBE TWO MINUTES.

THANK YOU MR. KENNETH.

I, KENNETH LINDER ONE 13 SEA PINES.

I OWN ONE 13.

BOUGHT IT A COUPLE YEARS AGO.

IT IS ONE OF THE ONES THAT TWO YEARS AGO WENT THROUGH THIS AND YOU PEOPLE DENIED THEM, ET CETERA.

ONE 11 AND ONE 13.

THE REASON I BOUGHT THE HOUSE WAS BECAUSE OF THE QUIET NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE LACK OF RENTERS.

THERE IS A HOUSE THAT IS TWO HOUSES FROM US THAT ON SUNDAY HAD SEVEN CARS IN THE YARD.

THEY WERE NOISY.

THEY ARE NOT BEFORE YOU PEOPLE TONIGHT WHATSOEVER.

THAT PART HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH IT, EXCEPT THAT IS THE TYPE OF CLIENTELE THAT COMES TO SOME OF THESE HOUSES.

AND AS A HOMEOWNER IN THE AREA, I THINK I COULD SPEAK FOR EV THE WHOLE NEIGHBORHOOD.

WE JUST WANT IT QUIET AND SIMPLE AND NOT A LOT OF NOISE IN BALONEY.

SO I'M ASSUMING ON THIS AREA THAT'S IN QUESTION, UM, YOU GUYS DO NOT HAVE A COVENANT? THAT PART I COULD NOT TELL YOU.

I HAVE NO IDEA.

I BOUGHT ONE 13 YEAR AND A HALF AGO, AND PART OF THE REASON I WAS ABLE TO BUY IT IS BECAUSE THE PEOPLE FROM CALIFORNIA THAT OWNED IT COULD NO LONGER RENT IT.

IT WAS NO LONGER THEIR CASH COW AND THEY DECIDED TO GIVE IT UP.

SO, AND PROPERTY MANAGERS NEED TO BE AVAILABLE IF THIS GOES FORWARD, YOU NEED BETTER PROPERTY MANAGERS THAN MOST PEOPLE

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WANT TO PAY FOR.

IT JUST, IT'S BUNCH OF BALONEY THAT YOU HAVE TO GO THROUGH AS A NEIGHBOR TO GET ANYTHING SQUASHED.

IF THERE IS AN ISSUE, IF THERE'S A LIVE PARTY AT TWO O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING, IT'S JUST VERY DIFFICULT.

ALRIGHT, RICHARD NEIL, I LIVE AT 1 31 SEA PINES AND I'M OPPOSED TO, UH, THE SHORT TERM RENTAL AS WELL.

WE CHOSE TO LIVE THERE, UM, BECAUSE IT'S A QUIET RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD.

AND WE'RE, WE, WE CHOSE TO NOT TO LIVE IN A RESORT.

WE DON'T, UH, I MEAN, I COULD HAVE LIVED ON FRIPP OR HARBOR AND THAT'S WHERE THE SHORT TERM RENTALS ARE, BUT WE CHOSE THAT NEIGHBORHOOD SO THAT, UH, WELL, WE WOULDN'T HAVE THIS SORT OF THING.

SO I AM OPPOSED TO THE, UM, SHORT TERM RENTAL.

THANK YOU, SIR.

WHAT'S THAT? HKA? WELL, I'LL JUST SAY THE LAST NAME.

HOPEFULLY.

HKA.

DID THAT SOUND FAMILIAR? THAT'S IT, THAT'S IT RIGHT THERE.

YOU'LL HAVE TO EXCUSE MY PENMANSHIP.

YES, SIR.

WE FIGURED IT OUT.

UH, I'M OPPOSED ON, UH, WE'VE LIVED THERE NOW.

WE, WHEN WE FIRST LOOKED FOR PROPERTY, UH, DOWN HERE, UH, 12, 14 YEARS AGO, AND, UH, WE FOUND ST.

HELENA AND IT WAS A NICE NEIGHBORHOOD OF PEOPLE WHO LIVED THERE, ALL CONSTANTLY, GOOD NEIGHBORS.

UM, ANYTIME YOU HAVE PEOPLE COMING IN JUST ON A WEEKLY BASIS, THERE'S JUST NO WAY TO CONTROL ANY OF THAT.

SO I AM OPPOSED TO, AND, AND MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT'S REASON WE PUT REGULATIONS IN PLACE.

WE PUT REGULATIONS IN PLACE TO CONTROL SOMETHING LIKE THE SHORT TERM RENTALS.

IF WE PUT THEM IN PLACE, THEN THAT'S WHY PEOPLE MOVE INTO THE AREA.

SO IF PEOPLE MOVE IN AND HAVE SOME OTHER DESIRES, THEN THEY, THEY SHOULD HAVE BEEN TOLD AT THE TIME THAT THEY BOUGHT THE PROPERTY.

SO I AM OPPOSED TO IT BASED ON THAT.

IN A QUIET NEIGHBORHOOD WITH THE BEAUTIFUL TURTLES IN OUR ENVIRONMENT.

ALEXANDRA.

HELLO, I'M ALEXANDRA LONZA.

THIS IS MY HUSBAND CRAIG LAWTON.

WE LIVE AT ONE 17 SEA PINES AND WE ARE OPPOSED TO THIS SHORT-TERM RENTAL PERMITS.

THIS IS DISRUPTIVE TO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.

WE ACTUALLY HAVE A SHORT-TERM RENTER NEXT DOOR TO US.

MENTIONED PREVIOUSLY WITH THE SEVEN CARS LAST WEEKEND.

IT IS ABSOLUTELY UNACCEPTABLE TO LIVE IN A SMALL, QUIET, QUIET RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY VILLAGE PRACTICALLY WHERE WE ALL LIVE AND HAVE THIS KIND OF INTRUSION WEEK OVER WEEK OVER WEEK OF CHANGING FACES.

WE CAN'T, WE DON'T KNOW WHO'S COMING INTO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.

WE DON'T KNOW WHO IS WALKING AROUND OUR DIRT ROADS.

IT'S KIND OF FRIGHTENING TO HAVE PEOPLE THAT YOU DON'T RECOGNIZE JUST SHOW UP IN THE MIDDLE OF THE DAY, STAY FOR A FEW DAYS, DEPART NEW BUNCH, COME IN THE NEXT WEEK.

IT'S KIND OF SCARY PERSONALLY FOR ME TO BE AT HOME AND NOT KNOW WHO IS AROUND ME LIVING DAY IN AND DAY OUT.

SO FOR THESE REASONS, WE OPPOSE IT.

BUT ALSO ALONG WITH OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, OUR VILLAGE HERE, WE FEEL THAT THIS DISRUPTS THE TRANQUILITY OF OUR ENVIRONMENT.

WE HAVE THE DUCK, UH, THE TURTLES COMING TO LAY THEIR EGGS AND THESE RENTERS DON'T UNDERSTAND ABOUT TURNING OFF THE LIGHTS, KEEPING THEM OFF AT NIGHT, KEEPING IT DARK FOR THE TURTLES.

THEY DON'T APPRECIATE THESE THINGS.

THEY'RE ONLY THERE TO PARTY FOR A FEW DAYS AND BE GONE AND COME ANOTHER GROUP.

AND UNFORTUNATELY THEY'RE REFERRING FRIENDS OVER AND OVER.

IT FEELS LIKE IT'S MULTIPLYING FASTER AND FASTER.

LIKE WHACK-A-MOLE THAT WE CAN'T KEEP TRACK OF THESE HOMES NOW THAT ARE COMING UP HERE.

TONIGHT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE 1 29 AND NOW ALSO NOW THERE'S 50.

IT, IT'S CONSTANTLY NOW IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, THE SITUATION WHICH I FEEL LIKE WE HAVE TO, CAN CONSTANTLY STAND UP AND STOP.

SO WE APPRECIATE THAT.

IF YOU THINK OF US, THE HOMEOWNERS, WE PAY THE TAXES TO LIVE

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WE DON'T WANT OUTSIDERS COMING IN AND OUT EVERY FEW DAYS.

IT'S NOT CORRECT.

I WOULD JUST ADD THAT THERE IS PRECEDENT HERE BECAUSE THERE WAS A NUMBER OF PERMITS THAT WERE NOT PROVED IN IN THE LAST YEAR AND A NUMBER OF HOMES HAVE SOLD.

SO I THINK WE HAVE A PRESTON ALREADY THAT THE CASTLE HAS TURNED THESE DOWN IN THE PAST AND WE WOULD ACTUALLY CONTINUE TO CONTINUE DOWN THAT PATH.

WE THINK IT'S THE RIGHT PATH.

SO, AND YOU GUYS MAY KNOW THE ANSWER TO THIS AND YOU MAY NOT.

SO THE HOUSES THAT IN THE AREA THAT'S OBVIOUSLY OPERATING UNDER A SHORT TERM RENTAL, DO YOU KNOW IF THEY WERE APPROVED THROUGH THIS BOARD OR, I UNDERSTAND FROM OFFICER GOUCHER THAT WORKS.

I'VE CALLED WHEN I SEE SOMETHING AND WE WORK TOGETHER AND WE, WHENEVER WE FIND AN AIRBNB OR A-V-R-B-O ON OUR STREET, I CALL IT INTO HER, UM, SHE'S BEEN AWESOME.

SHE EXPLAINED TO ME THAT NEXT DOOR TO ME, THEY HAVE A PERMIT THAT HA WAS APPROVED IN THE PAST.

AND WHEN THAT PERMIT COMES UP DUE IS THE ONLY TIME WE HAVE A CHANCE TO COME BACK AND PRESENT IN FRONT OF THE BOARD.

AND UNTIL THAT PERMIT IS, IS, YOU KNOW, UM, REISSUED UNTIL IT'S REISSUED OR RENEWED.

BUT THOSE OWNERS LIVE IN DENVER, THEY REALLY DON'T CARE ABOUT WHO'S MOVING IN EVERY SINGLE WEEK NEXT TO US.

THEY REALLY DON'T.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME, MR. CHAIRMAN.

MR. CHAIRMAN.

YEP.

COULD YOU SAY AND TELL US HOW LONG THE ACTUAL, IF SOMEONE IS GRANTED A PERMIT FOR A RENTAL, HOW LONG THAT PERMIT IS GOOD FOR? DOES ANYBODY KNOW THAT IT HAS TO BE RENEWED EVERY YEAR? EVERY YEAR.

BUT IT DOESN'T COME BACK TO THIS BOARD? OH NO.

ONCE THE SPECIAL PERMIT IS ISSUED, THEY RENEW IT EVERY YEAR.

NOW, IF IT'S A CHANGE, THE CHANGE OWNERSHIP OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, WE'D WANT TO SEE IT COME BACK.

IS THERE ANY CHANCE FOR APPEAL ON THOSE RENEWALS OR IS IT JUST A PRO FORMA ANY APPEAL NEEDS TO BE TO THIS MEETING? I MEAN, THAT'S APPROVING.

HOW WOULD WE KNOW WHEN THAT APPROVAL IS GOING TO BE? OR THE RE-APPROVAL IS GONNA BE, ARE WE NOTIFIED IT'LL BE NEXT YEAR THIS TIME? 27TH? NO, NO.

THE EXISTING ONES.

THE ONE 19 C, PINE ONE 19 C PINES HAS AN EXISTING VRB WHAT DATE.

BUT IS THERE A WAY TO FIND OUT WHEN THAT WE CAN COME BY THE OFFICE AND WE'LL LOOK AT THE OLD PERMIT AND SEE.

PERFECT.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH WHEN THE YEP.

LETTER SAYING THAT THE ONE 20, THE SPECIAL PERMIT FOR 1 29 WILL BE DISCUSSED AT THE NEXT MEETING.

UH, CRAIG CROSSON.

THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN, BOARD MEMBERS FOR YOUR TIME AND HEARING OUR CONCERNS OVER THIS.

AS YOU CAN TELL.

CAN YOU SPEAK UP? SURE.

UH, APOLOGIZE.

AGAIN, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

UM, AND, UH, LISTENING TO OUR CONCERNS, AS YOU CAN TELL, THE COFFIN POINT AREA IS A TIGHT KNIT COMMUNITY.

AND IF YOU HAVEN'T BEEN OUT THERE, I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO COME OUT.

AND THE ONE THING THAT YOU QUICKLY REALIZE IS THAT WE ARE AT THE END OF THE ROAD, AND WE ARE NOT A GATED COMMUNITY, BUT WE ARE A GROUP OF SINGLE FAMILY HOMES THAT ARE OCCUPIED BY FAMILIES.

AND THIS IS IMPORTANT TO US.

IT TRULY IS.

WE BOUGHT HERE 13 YEARS AGO BECAUSE OF THAT, BECAUSE OF THE SINGLE FAMILY NATURE, BECAUSE OF THE COMMUNITY, AND BECAUSE WE'RE AT THE END OF THE ROAD, IF THERE'S AN ISSUE, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT THE COUNTY'S SHERIFF'S FAULT, IT'S JUST THAT WE'RE AT THE END OF THE ROAD AND IT TAKES A WHILE TO GET OUT THERE.

WE'RE NOT A GATED COMMUNITY.

WE DON'T HAVE THAT BACKUP OF THAT INFRASTRUCTURE.

SO WE'RE REALLY RELYING UPON GROUPS LIKE YOURSELF TO HELP PROTECT OUR WAY OF LIFE AND WHAT WHAT WE THINK IS IMPORTANT.

UM, YOU KNOW, AND AGAIN, THERE'S A LOT OF REASONS TO, FOR US TO OPPOSE THIS.

I WANT TO JUST MAKE IT BRIEF.

I THINK YOU'VE HEARD A NUMBER OF GREAT ARGUMENTS TODAY, BUT AGAIN, BOTH MY WIFE AND I WHO, AND WE LIVE AT 1 37 SEA PINES DRIVE, WHO ARE OPPOSED TO THIS ONE.

MY ONLY OTHER REQUEST IS THAT COULD YOU PLEASE SEND OUT A LETTER FOR THE 1 29 SEA PINES THAT WAS DEFERRED FOR NEXT WEEK FOR, FOR NEXT, UH, MONTH.

JUST SO THAT EVERYONE IS AWARE THAT IT IS COMING UP FOR DISCUSSION.

AS I UNDERSTAND IT DOESN'T HAVE, THE LETTERS DO NOT HAVE TO BE SENT OUT AGAIN.

IF I'M WRONG ON THAT, I APOLOGIZE.

BUT IF YOU COULD JUST REISSUE THE

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THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I'M HAPPY TO TRY TO ANSWER THEM.

NO, I DON'T.

DO ANYONE HAVE A QUESTION? MM-HMM.

THERE'S NO ONE ELSE ON PUBLIC COMMENT.

WE ARE GONNA CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT.

UM, WE HAVE HEARD FROM THOSE RESIDENTS THAT LIVES IN THERE AND I'LL LET YOU KNOW THAT IT'S NOT GOING ON DEAF AIR.

WE ARE DEFINITELY GONNA TAKE THAT IN CONSIDERATION AS WE DO OUR DELIBERATION.

SO, UH, JUST WANT TO LET YOU GUYS KNOW THAT WE ARE GOING TO, YOU KNOW, WE DO HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING ABOUT THE COMMUNITY, UM, BOARD MEMBERS.

WE HAVE HEARD FROM THE COUNTY, THE APPLICANT AND PUBLIC COMMENTS.

I, I MEAN, I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANYTHING IN THE COVENANTS OR THERE'S NO COVENANTS THAT PROHIBIT IT, BUT I THINK THE BOARD HAS TO DECIDE WHETHER IT'S OUTSIDE THE CHARACTER OF THE COMMUNITY AROUND IT, IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, THERE AND EVAN, I THINK IT IS.

I MEAN ESPECIALLY THE, THE QUALITY OF LIFE THAT THE, UM, NEIGHBORS TALKED ABOUT.

AND IF YOU ALSO THINK WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLANS GOALS OF PROTECTING THE ENVIRONMENT THAT AS THEY MENTIONED THE TURTLES AND THAT, UM, TURTLE NESTS ARE NOT, OR THE LIGHTS OUT FOR THE TURTLE NEST ARE NOT NECESSARILY RESPECTED BY SHORT TERM RENTALS.

MR. CHAIR, I GOT A QUESTION FOR HILLARY.

, YES.

HILLARY CAN'T THAT NEIGHBORHOOD GET TOGETHER, ISN'T IT? IF THEY GET 75% OF THE RESIDENTS TO VOTE, THEY COULD WRITE COVENANTS.

I THEY WOULD HAVE TO GET, I THINK IT'S TOO LATE FOR THAT.

I DON'T THINK IF THIS PERSON DECIDE THEY DON'T WANT TO BE A PART OF THAT.

BUT IF 70 PART, I THOUGHT I WAS ON THE EXTENT OF 75% OF THE RESIDENTS WANTED TO DO SOMETHING, THEY COULD, I DON'T, I'M NOT A HUNDRED PERCENT SURE ON THAT.

IF THEY HAD COVENANTS AND RESTRICTIONS BEFORE AND THEY WERE GETTING READY TO EXPIRE OR SOMETHING, OKAY, THEY COULD ALL GET TOGETHER AND, YOU KNOW, AND CHANGE IT OR DO SOMETHING.

BUT I, I COULDN'T FIND ANY COVENANTS FOR THIS, FOR THIS LAW, MR. CHAIRMAN.

I JUST TO LET EVERYBODY KNOW THAT I DO LIVE IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.

THEY, THIS HOUSE WILL BE MY NEIGHBOR.

THE HOUSE NEXT TO US IS ALSO OWNED BY ASHLEY CROOK.

THEY, AND THAT IS AN AIRBNB AND IN FOUR YEARS THAT THEY'VE OWNED IT, THERE HAS NEVER BEEN A PROBLEM.

THEY DO AN EXCELLENT JOB OF BACKGROUND CHECKS ON THE PEOPLE THAT RENT THEIR HOMES AND THEY ARE BASICALLY FAMILIES.

I'VE NEVER SEEN A YOUNGER PEOPLE IN THAT HOUSE.

A LOT OF 'EM COME FROM A OKAY, HOLD UP.

WE, WE, WE, WE, WE CAN'T JUST BE TALKING OUT IN THE AUDIENCE.

LIKE THAT PUBLIC COMMENT IS OVER.

I MEAN, IF YOU HAVE SOMETHING YOU WANT, YOU WOULD LIKE TO SAY AND I GRANT YOU THAT OPPORTUNITY, THEN YOU HAVE TO COME UP BEFORE THE BOARD.

SO, UM, I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU GUYS ARE SAYING AND I DEFINITELY AGREE WITH THE CHARACTER THAT THAT THEY HAVE THERE, BUT MY CONCERN HERE IS WHAT DO WE DO ABOUT THE PERSON THAT WE HAVE ALREADY ISSUED THAT A, A, A SPECIAL USE PERMIT TO, HOW DO WE GIVE IT TO ONE AND NOT TO ANOTHER? SO THAT WOULD BE MY CONCERN BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY, BUT IT WAS A DIFFERENT BOARD THAT THAT PERSON CAME BEFORE.

I MEAN IT WAS THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEAL, BUT IT WAS NOT THESE PEOPLE OR ALL OF US.

SO I THINK THAT SINCE IT IS A SPECIAL USE, IT'S OUR RESPONSIBILITY TO INTERPRET IT AS WE SEE.

WELL ONE PEOPLE MENTIONED THERE WERE PEOPLE THAT HAD BEEN TURNED OUT, RIGHT? IS THAT YEAH.

IS THAT TRUE? WELL, THIS SAID SOME THAT CAME BEFORE THE BOARD WAS ACTUALLY TURNED DOWN.

SOHIL.

DOES THIS PROPERTY ABUT THE AREA THAT DOES HAVE, UM, COVENANTS? YES.

THE ONE THAT YOU GUYS VOTED TO ALLOW? I THINK IT'S CLOSER TO THAT SET OF COVENANTS, BUT FOR SOME REASON I CAN'T FIND ANYTHING FOR THIS ONE.

BUT THIS IS NOT, AND I'M SURE IF THERE WERE COVENANTS, YOU GUYS, WOULD YOU ALL REMEMBER RIGHT? UH, WHEN THAT ONE DID COME UP, WASN'T THERE SEVEN DIFFERENT SETS OF COVENANTS OUT IN THAT AREA? YEAH, THAT'S FURTHER DOWN THE STREET.

COME SPEAK ABOUT EXISTING PERMITS AND THEIR, THEIR RENEWALS AND HOW WE CAN, UH, YOU KNOW, DEAL WITH THOSE ACCORDINGLY AND FAIRLY, UH, YOU KNOW THAT IF THERE APPROVED PRO FORMA, THERE'S NOTHING WE CAN DO.

ALRIGHT, WELL I GUESS WE, BASED ON WHAT'S SIR, YOU COME FORWARD.

THANK YOU SIR.

TWO POINTS, UH, THAT WERE NOT RELATED TO THE SPECIFIC ISSUE.

WE WOULD ASK THAT THE ZONING BOARD, YOU KNOW, UH, ALLOW US TO

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IF YOU GRANT ANOTHER, UH, PERMIT TODAY AND WE DEVELOP COVENANTS, IT WOULD BE GRANDFATHERED IN AS AN EXISTING EXCEPTION.

SO, UH, YOU KNOW, IT'S, THAT'S JUST THE RULES IN WHICH WE HAVE.

AND SO I WOULD PLEASE ENCOURAGE THE ZONING BOARD TO ALLOW US TO HAVE SOME APPEAL ON SHORT-TERM RENTAL PERMITS THAT HAVE BEEN GRANTED IN THE PAST OR, UH, PROVIDE US A WAY TO APPEAL THEM.

IT MAY NOT BE THROUGH THIS BOARD, BUT THERE MAY BE A MORE EFFICIENT WAY.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

YES, IT WOULD BE THROUGH THIS BOARD.

WELL, AGAIN, I'M, FORGIVE ME FOR NOT KNOWING YOUR RULES, UH, FORWARD, I MEAN IT'S ZONING BOARD OF APPEAL MAN, SO YOU WOULD HAVE TO COME THROUGH THIS BOARD FOR ANY, BUT AGAIN, SPECIAL USE.

WE DON'T KNOW WHEN THEY COME UP THEY DON'T.

AND IT WAS SAID THAT THEY DON'T COME BEFORE THE BOARD FOR RENEWAL.

THAT'S WHAT I HEARD.

THEY DON'T, NOT FOR RENEWAL.

NO.

AND BUT WE WOULD LIKE TO AT LEAST HAVE THE RENEWAL DISCUSSED, UH, WHEN IT IMPACTS US.

AND AGAIN, THAT'S ONLY TRYING TO BE FAIR TO THESE PEOPLE THAT ARE APPLYING FOR SPECIAL USE PERMITS NOW BECAUSE A LOT OF THE ANGST THAT YOU'RE HEARING HAVE COME FROM THE SHORT TERM RENTALS THAT RENTERS THAT WE HAVE DEALT WITH.

LADIES AND GENTLEMEN.

UH, BASED ON WHAT'S PRESENTED BEFORE US TODAY AND THE EVIDENCE WE'VE HEARD, UM, I MEAN DOES EVIDENCE THAT'S PRESENTED BEFORE US AND TESTIMONY WE'VE HEARD, WHAT WOULD BE THE PLEASURE? I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE DENY THE SHORT TERM RENTAL BECAUSE IT'S NOT IN KEEPING WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IN PROTECTING OUR ENVIRONMENT WITH THE SEA TURTLES AND THE CHARACTER OF THE IMMEDIATE LAND IN THE, OR THE LAND IN THE IMMEDIATE VICINITY, WHICH IS SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL.

SO THERE'S A MOTION ON THE FLOOR TO DENY, ESPECIALLY USE PREVENT SECOND AND SECOND.

ALL IN FAVOR OF DENYING THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT SIGNIFY BY RAISING YOUR HAND.

SO THAT'S BEEN DENIED.

WHICH IS THE APPLICANT NAME IS, UH, MILES CHANDLER.

MOVING RIGHT ALONG.

ITEM NUMBER 12,

[12. Mirella Astudillo is requesting a Special Use Permit for a Lodging, Short-Term Rental Unit. The property is located at 39 Pritchard Farm Lane, Bluffton. The property is zoned T3-Edge (T3E).]

I MIGHT NEED SECURITY TO TAKE ME OUT TO MY TRUCK ALL THESE PEOPLE BEHIND ME, I CAN'T BELIEVE I'M GONNA SAY THIS PUBLICLY.

MY NAME IS MILES AND I'M A SOUTH CAROLINA REAL ESTATE COMMISSION, LICENSED PROPERTY MANAGER IN CHARGE OF ZENITH DEGREE, LLC, UH, A PROPERTY MANAGEMENT COMPANY LOCATED IN THE LOW COUNTRY.

UH, TODAY I'M ASKING THE BOARD FOR AN APPROVAL OF A SPECIAL USE PERMIT FOR OPERATING A SHORT TERM RENTAL PROPERTY LOCATED AT 39 PRITCHARD FARM LANE IN BLUFFTON, SOUTH CAROLINA.

UH, IT'S A ONE BEDROOM, ONE AND A HALF BATHROOM, 1,100 SQUARE FOOT, UH, STRUCTURE THAT'S ON FIVE ACRES OF LAND.

UH, THERE ARE NO COVENANTS OR RESTRICTIONS, UM, ON THIS PARCEL.

UH, THE HOME CAN HOST FOUR GUESTS AND CAN ACCOMMODATE TWO CARS.

UH, THE PROPERTY HAS MAINTAINED ITS ORIGINAL NATURAL STATE WITH NO SIGNIFICANT ALTERATIONS OR DEVELOPMENTS THAT, UH, MODIFY ITS EXISTING FOOTPRINT.

UH, THE BLUFFTON FIRE MARSHAL HAS ALSO, UH, APPROVED THE PROPERTY FOR OPERATING.

UM, YOU KNOW, AS WE'VE HEARD ABOUT PROPERTY MANAGERS, UM, I'M 24 7 365 PROPERTY MANAGEMENT COMPANY.

UH, WE HAVE SURVEILLANCE SYSTEMS SET UP TO VERIFY THAT THE GUESTS THAT ARE GOING TO BE STAYING AT THE PROPERTY ARE IN FACT THE ONES THAT HAVE BEEN BOOKED.

UH, AND WE WILL BE CLOSELY MONITORING, UH, NOISE LEVELS AS WELL.

SO THAT IS ALL.

OH, ALSO, I CONDUCT MONTHLY INSPECTIONS OF MY PROPERTY, SO I'LL BE OUT THERE ONCE A MONTH DOING MY EXTERNAL AND INTERNAL, UH, INSPECTION OF IT.

SO THANK YOU FOR CONSIDERATION.

AND, UH, YEAH, ANY QUESTIONS? I HAVE A QUESTION.

MM-HMM, , UM, IS NUMBER 37 PRITCHARD FARM LANE ON THE SAME PIECE OF PROPERTY? THAT IS CORRECT.

THAT'S FIRM.

AND WHO LIVES IN THAT? THAT IS A LONG-TERM RENTAL.

UH, IT IS OWNED BY, OBVIOUSLY THAT PARCEL'S OWNED BY THE OWNER.

SO SHE HAS THAT OPERATING AS A LONG-TERM.

THIS IS A SMALLER STRUCTURE OFF TO THE SIDE.

THAT'S A DIFFERENT ADDRESS THAT WOULD BE OPERATING AS A SHORT TERM.

IS THERE ANY MORE QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? THANK YOU, SIR.

IF THERE'S ANY MORE QUESTIONING, WE DEFINITELY CALL YOU BACK UP.

UM, HILLARY, WE HAVE YOUR RECOMMENDATION.

WE NEED YOU, WE WILL BE CALLING YOU.

I DON'T WANT YOU TO UNNECESSARY EXERCISE, BUT I'M QUITE SURE IF

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UM, WE HAVE PUBLIC COMETS FOR THIS ITEM.

UM, WE'RE GONNA OPEN UP PUBLIC COMMENT RIGHT NOW, WHICH IS MEGAN ZEL.

HELLO.

UH, WE OWN THE PROPERTY NEXT DOOR, DIRECTLY NEXT DOOR.

IT'S NUMBER, UH, 29.

WE ARE AN ACTIVE HORSE FARM, UH, THAT HAS BEEN GRANDFATHERED IN.

WE'VE BEEN AN ACTIVE HORSE FARM FOR MANY YEARS.

I'M ONE OF THE LAST SMALL HORSE FARMS IN BLUFFTON.

I'M ALSO THE MOM OF A SEVERELY AUTISTIC CHILD.

AND I AM VERY, VERY MUCH OPPOSED TO HAVING A, A SHORT TERM RENTAL NEXT DOOR TO ME FOR THE SAFETY OF MY CHILDREN AND MY ANIMALS.

I DO NOT SEE HOW THESE CAN COEXIST TOGETHER.

UM, WE'VE HAD PROBLEMS IN THE PAST.

IT IS A DIRT ROAD DEAD END.

THERE IS SOMETHING ABOUT A DIRT ROAD THAT INSPIRES PEOPLE WHO DON'T LIVE ON IT TO DO VERY STUPID THINGS ON IT.

UM, WE HAD A PROBLEM ON MONDAY ACTUALLY, WITH SOMEBODY GOING TO THAT PROPERTY DRIVING TOO FAST.

THERE'S A CURVE THEY INTENTIONALLY TRIED TO SKID OUT AND THEY ALMOST HIT MY 6-YEAR-OLD WALKING HIS PONY.

UM, AND AGAIN, WE'RE, WE'RE TALKING SPECIAL NEEDS CHILDREN.

UM, AND I JUST CANNOT SEE HOW THIS CAN COEXIST PEACEFULLY TOGETHER FOR THE SAFETY OF EVERYBODY.

AND HOW LONG HAVE YOU STAYED AT THAT PROPERTY? WE WILL HAVE, WE'VE LIVED HERE FOUR YEARS IN JULY.

FOUR.

OH, AND ACTUALLY I DO WANNA ADD, WE HAVE HAD AN INSTANCE, UH, AGAIN WITH THAT PROPERTY WHEN IT WAS WITH ANOTHER SHORTER TERM RENTER, UM, WHERE THEY ACTUALLY DROVE THROUGH THE HORSE FENCE AT, UH, MIDNIGHT.

THEY LET THEIR UNDERAGE CHILD DRIVE THE CAR BECAUSE IT'S A DIRT ROAD.

AND BECAUSE THEY WERE ONLY STAYING THERE A COUPLE OF MONTHS, THERE WAS NO CONSEQUENCE WE HAD TO FIX OUR NEIGHBOR'S FENCE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT TO KEEP THE ANIMALS CONTAINED.

DID YOU SAY THAT WAS A SHORT TERM RENTAL OR THEY WERE THERE IT WAS A SHORTER TERM RENTAL.

THEY, THEY WERE ONLY THERE FOR A COUPLE OF MONTHS.

IT'S NOT THE INDIVIDUALS IN 37.

IT WAS, IT WAS SOMEONE PREVIOUSLY BUT AT THE SAME PROPERTY IN THE SAME HOUSE.

SO THAT IS OUR CONCERN, IS THAT THERE WILL BE NO WAY TO MONITOR WHO THESE PEOPLE ARE.

ARE THEY GOING TO BE SAFE AROUND SPECIAL NEEDS CHILDREN? ARE THEY GOING TO, UH, BE COGNIZANT OF THE FACT THAT THERE ARE ANIMALS AND CHILDREN ON THE ROAD? THAT WE ARE A FAMILY ORIENTED NEIGHBORHOOD WHERE THERE'S A LOT OF WALKERS, THERE'S A LOT OF ANIMALS.

UM, THERE'S LITTLE KIDS ON BIKES AND WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE ARE ABSOLUTELY TREATING OUR HOMES AND ROAD WITH RESPECT.

AND THAT'S VERY HARD TO ACCOMMODATE WITH A SHORT-TERM RENTER WHO'S ONLY GONNA BE THERE A COUPLE OF DAYS.

I WOULD ALSO POINT OUT THAT SHORT-TERM RENTERS LOVE FIREWORKS AUTISTIC CHILDREN AND HORSES DO NOT.

AND HOW ARE WE GOING TO ACCOMMODATE THAT? THANK YOU.

AND I'M ZACHARY.

I'M HER HUSBAND.

THE LAST THING I WOULD ADD IS, UH, PRICHARD FARM LANE IS A SMALL DIRT ROAD, SIX PROPERTY OWNERS, I THINK, UH, FIVE OF US ARE , ARE EITHER HERE IN PERSON TO OPPOSE THIS MEASURE OR HAVE SENT IN AN OPPOSITION VIA EMAIL OR LETTER.

WE, THERE IS A LETTER IN OUR PACKET.

AND IT'S A DARK ROAD AT NIGHT.

AND I JUST WANNA LET YOU GUYS KNOW THAT WE DO HAVE THOSE LETTERS IN OPPOSITION LETTERS.

SO, UH, JUST TO LET YOU GUYS KNOW, UH, PATTY BECKWITH, UH, WE'RE THE OTHER ADJOINING PROPERTY TO, UM, THIS, UH, SPECIAL USE PERMIT.

AND OUR BIGGEST CONCERN, OURS WAS THE FENCE THAT THEY WENT THROUGH.

UM, THE PREVIOUS, UH, TENANTS THERE, THE, IT, IT IS A, MY BIGGEST CONCERN IS IT'S A SMALL DIRT ROAD AND IT'S A COUNTY MAINTAINED ROAD, BUT IT'S ALSO A DEAD END ROAD.

AND I CAN COUNT EVEN THIS IN, IN THE PAST THREE MONTHS, HOW MANY CARS OF RENTERS, BECAUSE REMEMBER THE PEOPLE WHO ARE CURRENTLY AT THAT PROPERTY ARE RENTERS.

BUT OTHER PEOPLE COME IN AND OUT OF THAT PROPERTY AND MISTAKE OUR GATE FOR THEIR GATE AND ARE CONTINUALLY COMING THROUGH INTO OUR YARD TRYING TO FIND AND TRYING TO FIND A TURNAROUND FOR THE DIRT ROAD.

THEY TRAVEL TOO FAST ON THE DIRT ROAD.

AND IT IS, IT'S, IT NOT ONLY CREATES A HAZARD TO THE RESIDENTS WHO ARE THERE, BUT ALSO DIRT.

I MEAN, THIS THING IS STIRRING UP QUITE A BIT OF, OF DIRT IN, IN THE PROPERTY.

UM, THE, I THINK OUR DOMINION ENERGY NO LONGER SERVICES, THE, UM, LIGHT POLES THAT ARE ON THE PROPERTY, THE LIGHTS THERE

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AND WE'VE HAD MANY PEOPLE COME UP AND INTO OUR PROPERTY IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT AND WE HAVE A RING DOORBELL AND THAT'S HOW WE MONITOR WHO'S COMING UP AND WHO'S ENTERING OUR PROPERTY LATE AT NIGHT.

AND THAT'S MY BIGGEST CONCERN.

THESE PROPERTY, THERE'S ONLY SIX FAMILIES.

WE KIND OF LOOK OUT FOR EACH OTHER.

BUT IT'S, YOU KNOW, THAT PROPERTY IS FIVE ACRES.

OUR PROPERTY IS FOUR ACRES, SO THERE'S SOME DISTANCE BETWEEN US AND IT'S, IT'S, YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T, YOU THINK OF YOUR OWN SAFETY AND PEOPLE YOU DON'T KNOW COMING UP AT THE END OF THE ROAD.

SO MICHAEL HOWELL, I'M A A NEIGHBOR.

BEEN THERE, UH, I WAS BORN AND RAISED ON THE PROPERTY, BEEN THERE SINCE 1965 JUST OFF OF PRITCHARD FARMS LANE.

AND JUST HIGHLY OPPOSE, YOU KNOW, A SHORT TERM RENTAL AS EVERYBODY ELSE IN THE WHOLE FACILITY HERE.

JUST, IT'S NOT A GOOD PRACTICE, NOT A GOOD IDEA.

YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE SMALL KIDS, HORSE, HORSES, DOGS, WE, WE ALL HAVE DOGS, KIDS, GRANDKIDS.

IT'S JUST A, AND AND ORIGINALLY THAT WAS PERMITTED AS A GARAGE.

HOW CAN THEY RENT OUT WHO WANTS TO COME AND RENT OUT A GARAGE? I MEAN, FOUR YEARS AGO IT WAS AN OPEN GARAGE.

HOW DID IT EVER GET PERMITTED TO BE A, A RESIDENCE? I, I'M, I'M ASKING A QUESTION.

YOU KNOW, THEY CONVERTED INTO A ING UNIT THROUGH THE BEAUFORT COUNTY PERMITTING PROCESS IF THEY DID IT RIGHT? YES.

THEY GOT A PERMIT.

I PROMISE YOU THERE'S NEVER BEEN A PERMIT ON THAT PROPERTY.

I'VE BEEN NEXT TO IT SINCE 2001.

SO THAT'S MY QUESTION IS HOW, HOW DOES A GARAGE TURN INTO A HOUSE? NO PERMIT.

THEY SAID, WELL, IF YOU DON'T THINK IT'S A PERMIT, I'M QUITE SURE, YOU KNOW, YOU OR SOMEONE WOULD HAVE SOMEONE TO COME OUT AND CHECK ON THAT.

GO TO THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT.

OH, YOU MIGHT HAVE SOMEONE HERE THAT CAN HELP YOU OUT ON THAT.

I MEAN, WE GOT, I MEAN, IT SHOULDN'T REALLY HAVE TO BE OUR JOB TO, TO, AND YOU ARE RIGHT, YOU ARE RIGHT.

BUT YOU BROUGHT IT UP.

YEAH, I MEAN I CAN, I CAN IF IF YOU CALL ON THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT, WE'LL CHECK ON IT.

YOU SAID IT'S ONLY SIX OF YOU GUYS.

I'M JUST ASKING FOUR YEARS AGO OR FIVE YEARS AGO, IT WAS AN OPEN GARAGE.

AND NOW IT'S A, AN APARTMENT HOUSE THAT'S FIXING TO BE SHORT TERM RENTED.

UH, YEAH.

AND, AND YOU SAID IT'S SIX OF YOU GUYS TO STAY IN THAT AREA THERE.

THERE'S SIX DOWN IN FIVE OPPOSED ROAD PROPERTY ROAD DOWN THE ROAD.

EVERYBODY'S HERE.

AND THE ONE THAT COULDN'T BE HERE IS KIND OF IN BAD HEALTH.

HIS HEALTH WOULDN'T ALLOW HIM TO BE HERE.

HE'S WATCHING ONLINE NOW.

HE'S, AND HE SENT A LETTER, HE HAS A EMAIL LETTER UP HERE.

YEAH, WE'VE GOT HIS LETTER.

YES, WE GOT THAT RIGHT HERE.

THANK YOU SIR.

ANYONE ELSE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS ITEM? SO WE CLOSED PUBLIC COMMENTS.

THAT'S WHAT ACTUALLY I WOULD, DID YOU FILL OUT A FORM? I, I DID NOT.

NEIGHBORS, NOT INVESTORS.

SO YOU CAN COME UP, BUT PLEASE FILL OUT THE FORM.

IT'LL BE FAST, I PROMISE.

UM, WHILE I'M NOT ACTUALLY LIKE ONE OF MEGAN'S NEIGHBORS, UM, I JUST, I I ALSO OWN HORSES.

I ALSO OWN A, A FARM.

I'M ACTUALLY HERE FROM A, A SEPARATE THING.

I JUST KIND OF WANTED TO POINT OUT THOUGH THAT AS SHE ALSO POINTED OUT, BUT DIDN'T MENTION, UM, HAVING SHORT TERM RENTALS NEXT TO HORSES.

HORRIBLE IDEA.

UM, NOT ONLY FOR DANGER FOR THE HORSES, SIMPLY BECAUSE ANYBODY WHO'S EVER HAD A KID, ESPECIALLY A LITTLE GIRL, THEY ALWAYS WANNA GO SEE THE HORSES, RIGHT? THEY WANNA SEE THE PONIES, THEY WANNA PET 'EM, THEY WANT TO GIVE THEM TREATS, ALL THAT SORT OF STUFF.

NEIGHBORS WHO HAPPEN TO HAVE EXTRA GRASS CLIPPINGS THINK THAT IT'S A GREAT IDEA TO GIVE THAT AS A TREAT TO HORSES NOT KNOWING THAT THAT'LL ACTUALLY KILL THE HORSES.

LIKE, I MEAN ACTUALLY KILL THEM, NOT MAKE THEM SICK AND HOPEFULLY LIVE THAT CAN ACTUALLY KILL THEM.

UM, IF A HORSE HAS AN INSULIN RESISTANT PROBLEM, UM, THEY CAN GO AND MAYBE GIVE THEM TOO MANY HORSE TREATS OR TOO MANY CARROTS OR TOO MUCH FRUIT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

SO IT'S NOT ONLY JUST DANGEROUS FOR THEM, BUT WHILE MEGAN MIGHT NOT HAVE ANY BAD HORSES OR ANY NAUGHTY PONIES OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, HORSES ALSO CAN BE VERY UNPREDICTABLE.

SO A PARENT THERE FOR MAYBE THE WEEKEND COULD SAY, OKAY, SURE, YEAH, GO LET LITTLE TIMMY RUN UP AND PET THE PONY.

AND THEY MAY TRY TO FEED THE PONY SOMETHING.

IT MIGHT BE BAD, BUT THE PONY ALSO MIGHT THINK, OH, THOSE FINGERS LOOK REALLY A LOT LIKE CARROTS.

AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN THE KID'S MISSING A FINGER AND THEN THERE'S A LAWSUIT AND IT'S JUST NOT, IT'S DANGEROUS.

IT'S DANGEROUS ON BOTH COUNTS.

AND WHILE I THINK LONG TERM RENTALS ARE SAFER BECAUSE YOU ACTUALLY GET TO KNOW THE PEOPLE AND THEN THEY CAN HAVE THAT CONVERSATION BETWEEN THE OWNERS OF THE HORSES

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AND THE PEOPLE THERE.

THAT THAT'S GREAT.

THAT'S, THAT'S FINE.

BUT SHORT TERM, YOU DON'T GET THAT OPPORTUNITY.

AND ME SITTING HERE FOR EVEN A FEW MINUTES LISTENING TO EVERYBODY ON ALL THESE SHORT TERM, YOU KNOW, PERMITS, IT REALLY SOUNDS TO ME LIKE THE LOCALS WANT NEIGHBORS, NOT INVESTORS.

I MEAN, ISN'T THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S THE BASIC TRUTH.

AND THAT'S WHAT YOU GET WHEN YOU DO SHORT TERM.

SO.

WHAT'S YOUR NAME? SO THIS CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT.

I OPPOSED, CAN I JUST SPEAK BACK TO THAT? YES, PLEASE.

UM, YEAH, I HEAR, UH, EVERYONE'S CONCERNS.

UH, AND I'VE MANAGED, UH, PROPERTIES IN SAVANNAH ON BROON STREET.

I MANAGE ANOTHER ONE IN OKEE.

UM, UH, LOVE THE EDUCATIONAL MOMENT ABOUT HORSES.

I DIDN'T KNOW THAT MUCH.

UM, UH, THERE ARE WAYS TO WORK AROUND A LOT OF THE CONCERNS THAT YOU'VE BROUGHT UP.

UH, I NOTICED ON THAT ROAD, I WAS THERE TODAY, I DRIVE REALLY SLOW, LIKE ALMOST SUPER SLOW AND I STILL SAW DIRT GETTING KICKED UP.

UM, SO I AM VERY CONSCIOUS ABOUT HOW I DRIVE AS WELL, UH, IN THE LISTING, YOU KNOW, MORE THAN HAPPY TO PUT THINGS ON THERE ABOUT THE SPEED LIMIT THAT THEY HAVE TO GO BY.

UH, ABSOLUTELY NO FIREWORKS.

UH, AND ONE OF THE PROPERTIES WE INSTALLED, UH, UH, NOISE DECIBEL READERS.

SO AT A CERTAIN TIME IF IT GOES UP A CERTAIN THRESHOLD, I GET A PING ON MY PHONE AND I'LL GO OUT THERE AND I'LL KICK 'EM OUT MYSELF WITH UH, THE HELP OF AUTHORITY.

BUT, BUT NOT PRIOR TO MY SON HAVING AN AUTISTIC MALE HOME BECAUSE SOMEBODY SET OFF A FIRE RIVER.

FAIR.

VERY FAIR.

THERE'S ONLY SO MUCH I CAN DO TO YOU.

TWO OF MY SONS ARE ADOPTED OUT OF FIRE, UH, OUT OF FOSTER CARE.

SO THEY ARE AUTISTIC ONES, BUT THEY HAVE SERIOUS FEARS OF GUNSHOTS AND GUN VIOLENCE.

IT ONLY TAKES ONE FIREWORK.

AND THE NEIGHBORS CAN ATTEST TO HAVING SEEN MY CHILDREN MELT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE YARD BECAUSE SOMEBODY DID SOMETHING THAT THEY TRULY COULD NOT HANDLE.

WELL I HEAR YOU.

UM, WITH ALL THAT BEING SAID, YOU KNOW MORE THAN HAPPY TO FORM A RELATIONSHIP WITH YOU.

YOU'LL HAVE MY BUSINESS CARD, YOU COULD REACH ME 24 7 365.

PROPERTY MANAGEMENT DOES NOT SLEEP.

UM, SO, UH, I JUST WANTED TO ADDRESS SOME OF THOSE CONCERNS.

WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? WITH THAT BEING SAID, WHAT WOULD BE THE PLEASURE? I MOVE THAT WE DENY THIS SPECIAL USE, UM, PERMIT BECAUSE IT'S NOT IN KEEPING WITH THE CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

I'LL SECOND IT.

SO IT'S BEEN PROBABLY MADE A SECOND TO DENY THIS APPLICANT THIS SPECIAL USE PERMIT.

UM, THOSE THAT ARE IN FAVOR OF DENYING OF THIS PERMIT, PLEASE SIGNIFY BY RAISING YOUR HAND.

SO IT'S BEEN DENIED.

ALRIGHT, LET'S SEE.

ITEM

[14. Barry Gupton is requesting a Special Use Permit for a Lodging, Short-Term Rental Unit. The property is located at 3 Dulamo Bluff Road, St. Helena Island. The property is zoned T2-Rural (T2R).]

NUMBER 14.

MR. BARRY TON WAS ALSO REQUESTING A SPECIAL USE PERMIT.

UM, SO GOOD EVENING.

MY NAME IS BARRY GUNTON.

I AND MY FAMILY RESIDE AT THREE DEL LAMO BLUFF ST.

HELENA ISLAND.

UH, WE PURCHASED THIS PROPERTY ABOUT A YEAR AND A HALF AGO NOW AND HAVE BEEN REMODELING THE HOME.

UH, WAS IT WAS IN MUCH NEEDED REPAIR.

UH, MY WIFE, CHILDREN, MYSELF HAVE BEEN DOING THE WORK COMPLETELY OURSELVES IN OUR SPARE TIME, RIPPING OUT, REPLACING TILE, PATCHING HOLES, PANNING, ET CETERA.

THIS HOME IS AND WILL BE OUR PRIMARY RESIDENCE GOING FORWARD.

WE DESIRE TO OCCASIONALLY RENT OUT ONE BEDROOM AND BATHROOM THAT IS ON ONE END OF THE HOUSE THAT HAS ITS OWN PRIVATE ENTRANCE.

UM, THE GOAL IS TO HELP ALLEVIATE, ALLEVIATE OUR MORTGAGE PAYMENT A LITTLE.

AND A SHORT-TERM RENTAL OFFERS US MORE FLEXIBILITY AND PRIVACY SINCE WE ALSO LIVE THERE VERSUS A LONG-TERM RENTAL.

THE IDEA IS, YOU KNOW, JUST ON A WEEKEND AND, UH, AND VETTING THE PEOPLE AND OFTEN PEOPLE WE MAY, WE MAY, UM, KNOW SOMEHOW.

UM, I'M FRIENDS WITH ALL THE ADJOINING PROPERTY OWNERS AT ONE TWO AND FIVE DEL LAMO BLUFF.

UH, I HAVE INCLUDED A LETTER WITH ALL OF THEIR SIGNATURES STATING THAT THEY HAVE NO OPPOSITION TO MY PLANS.

UM, THAT'S, UH, TODD VIC, STACY AND ARTHUR FORD AND REX AND TRACY FIELD.

UM, WE ARE AT THE END OF THE ROAD, SO THERE ARE ANOTHER, NO OTHER LOTS ARE WITHIN APPROXIMATELY A FOOTBALL FIELD OF OUR HOME OR CAN'T EVEN SEE US.

AND NO ONE ELSE FROM THE COMMUNITY DRIVES BY OUR HOUSE TO, TO GET TO THEIR HOUSE EXCEPT THESE NEIGHBORS THAT I'VE MENTIONED.

UM, I'VE BEEN TOLD THAT THERE ARE OTHERS THAT LIVE IN THE DEL LAMO COMMUNITY THAT MAY BE HERE TONIGHT THAT ARE OPPOSED TO ME SHORT-TERM RENTING AT ALL, UM, THAT LIVE FARTHER AWAY FROM ME.

I RESPECT THEIR OPINION AND I DON'T BLAME THEM BECAUSE NO ONE WANTS LARGE INVESTORS BUYING UP HOMES TO BECOME RENTAL PARTY HOUSES.

UM, I'M NOT A CORPORATE

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INVESTOR.

THIS IS OUR PRIMARY RESIDENCE.

IT CAN'T BECOME A PARTY HOUSE BECAUSE AS STATED IN OUR APPLICATION TO THE ZBOA, WE ARE APPLYING FOR A MAXIMUM OF TWO GUESTS IN THE ONE BEDROOM.

WE LIVE AND WORK HERE.

MY KIDS ARE IN THEIR SECOND YEAR AT ST.

HELENA ELEMENTARY SCHOOL AND WE DON'T WANT TO ALLOW ANYTHING TO HAPPEN THAT WOULD HARM THE PEACE AND TRANQUILITY OF THE COMMUNITY BECAUSE IT IS OUR COMMUNITY AS WELL.

UM, I'M AN INDEPENDENT CONSTRUCTION CONTRACTOR WITH A FAMILY JUST TRYING TO GET A LITTLE HELP PAYING THE MORTGAGE BY OCCASIONALLY RENTING ONE BEDROOM TO A MAXIMUM OF TWO PERSONS.

THERE ALSO APPEARS TO BE SOME CONFUSION ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT I'M PART OF THE DEL LAMO HOA AND COVENANTS.

THE PREVIOUS OWNER, RICHARD MICHAELS FAMILY, OWNED THE PROPERTY FOR HALF A CENTURY OR MORE.

HE OPERATED A 65 FOR 65 FOOT COMMERCIAL FISHING TRAWLER FROM THE DOCK OF THE PROPERTY FOR 30 YEARS.

AND IT EXPLAINS IN DETAIL IN A LETTER THAT I'VE SUBMITTED THAT THEY HAVE NEVER BEEN PART OF THE CURRENT DEL LAMO HOA AND ASSOCIATED COVENANTS.

UM, I, AS I HAVE ALSO SUBMITTED A LETTER FROM THE DEL LAMO, HOA STATING THE FOLLOWING, TO WHOM IT MAY CONCERN, PLEASE BE ADVISED THAT THE PROPERTY LOCATED AT THREE DEL LAMO BLUFF IS NOT A PART OF THE DEL LAMO HOA AND DOES NOT PAY ANNUAL DUES FOR THE USE OF THE AMENITIES IN THE SUBDIVISION.

THIS LOT ALONG WITH SIX OTHERS, ALL LOCATED ON DEL LAMO BLUFF ARE NOT MEMBERS DUE TO PRIVATE OWNERSHIP.

PRIOR TO THE COVENANTS RESTRICTIONS AND AFFIRMATIVE OBLIGATIONS THAT WERE IMPOSED ON APRIL 22ND, 1977, PAT HARVEY PALMER OR SIGNED PI PAT HARVEY PALMER PALMER, TREASURER OF DEL LAMO HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION.

UH, I'M NOT A LEGAL EXPERT AND I DON'T CLAIM, UM, TO UNDERSTAND ALL THE LEGALITIES OF WHY THIS PROPERTY IS NOT PART OF THE EXISTING DEL LAMO COMMUNITY COVENANTS AND HOA.

BUT I HAVE SUBMITTED A LETTER FROM ATTORNEY DEREK GILBERT STATING WHY THIS IS AS WELL, MR. GIL GILBERT'S ATTENDANCE THIS EVENING WITH US TO CLARIFY AND EXPLAIN ANY LEGAL SPECIFICS WITH REGARDS TO THE TITLE OF THE PROPERTY.

UM, THAT'S ALL I HAVE.

UM, QUITE SURE WE, IS THERE ANY QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT? NO.

SO IF NOT, UH, WE'LL HILLARY, I GUESS YOUR, UH, WE HAVE YOUR RECOMMENDATION, BUT IS HAS ANYTHING CHANGED? I'M NOT CHANGING, I'M STICKING WITH WHAT I HAVE.

UM, HE'S SAYING THIS IS LOT TWO, THIS IS 10, SO I'M NOT SURE.

UM, I DON'T DO PRIVATE SEARCHES LIKE THAT, BUT I DO FIND COVENANT RESTRICTIONS AND THE PLAQUE, SORRY, THE PLAQUE THAT WAS, UH, RECORDED SHOWS BLOCK 10, WHICH IS HIS LOCK AS A PART OF THAT SUBDIVISION.

UM, AND I'M READING THE COVENANTS AND RESTRICTIONS AND IT, IT STATES THAT ALL THE LOSS THAT WERE RECORDED FLAT BOOK 25, PAGE ONE 15 AND IT'S, UH, ONE THROUGH 35 OF BLOCK A LOTS ONE THROUGH 21 OF BLOCK B LOTS ONE THROUGH 19 OF BLOCK C LOTS ONE THROUGH 11 BLOCK E AND UH, AND ALL OF THE REAL PROPERTIES SHOWN ON THE PLA NOT SUBDIVIDED ARE SUBJECT TO THE, TO THE COVENANTS.

SO MY RECOMMENDATION IS DENIAL.

UH, IF I CAN GET MR. GILBERT AND OUR ATTORNEY TO GET TOGETHER AND, AND WORK THIS OUT AND THEY COME UP AND SAY IT'S NOT, THEN I'LL CHANGE MY RECOMMENDATION.

BUT UNTIL THEN, I THINK THEY'RE PART OF THE DEL LAMO SUBDIVISION.

THEY DON'T HAVE TO BE A PART OF THE HOA, BUT THEY'RE PART OF THE SUBDIVISION.

SO, SO HILLARY, IT'S STREET ADDRESS IS THREE, BUT IT'S LOCKED 10, IS THAT CORRECT? RIGHT.

HE'S LOCKED 10.

HE'S NOT, THAT'S NOT, HIS THREE IS NOT HIS LOCKED NUMBER.

THAT'S THE STREET ADDRESS.

UM, I'M QUITE SURE WE GET A LOT OF THE PUBLIC COMMENT.

UM, WE'RE GONNA OPEN THIS UP TO PUBLIC COMMENT.

MR. DERRICK GILBERT.

UH, ARE, UH, THE, THE HOA IS CREATED UNDER THOSE COVENANTS.

UM, I DID A TITLE SEARCH ON THIS PROPERTY AND IT IS, UH, IT'S LOT TWO A OF GEELONG SUBDIVISION.

YOU CAN CHECK THE TAX ASSESSOR'S, UH, WEBSITE FOR THREE DELANO BLUFF AND IT'S LOT TWO A.

UH, SO I'M NOT REALLY SURE WHERE 10 IS IS COMING FROM.

AND THE UH, UH, DEL LAMO SUBDIVISIONS, IT WAS ORIGINALLY LAID OUT, WAS SUBJECT TO A SET OF COVENANTS THAT EXPIRED IN 1980.

UH, THIS LOT WAS SOLD OUT BEFORE ANY NEW COVENANTS WERE IMPOSED.

AND THE NEW COVENANTS THAT WERE IMPOSED,

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AND IN, IN THIS PARTICULAR SITUATION, THIS PROPERTY, I MEAN THE HOA ITSELF SAYS THAT THIS PROPERTY IS NOT SUBJECT TO THE COVENANTS.

UH, OUR TITLE SEARCH SHOWS THAT THIS PROPERTY IS NOT SUBJECT TO THE COVENANTS.

UH, AND SO I'M REALLY NOT SURE, UH, WHERE ALL THIS IS COMING FROM.

UH, BUT I'VE SEARCHED IT TWICE, ONCE WHEN PROPERTY WAS PURCHASED AGAIN RECENTLY.

UH, AND IT SIMPLY NOT PART OF THE COVENANTS.

IT'S NOT SUBJECT TO THE COVENANTS FOR DELANO SUBDIVISION.

DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT ASPECT OF IT? I MEAN, IF YOU'VE DONE THE TITLE SEARCH TWICE AND IT STATES THAT IT'S NOT A PART OF IT, I MEAN, YOU ARE THE EXPERT ON IT.

SO THAT'S WHAT WE KIND OF GO BY THE EXPERTS, BUT UH, YEAH, AND AS I SAID, O THEMSELVES SAYING IS THERE WAS NO UNITY OF OWNERSHIP BY THE PERSON, THE ENTITY THAT SUBJECTED WHATEVER PROPERTIES WERE LEFT TO THE COVENANTS.

CORRECT.

WELL EXACTLY THE PROB THE, THE ENTITY THAT IMPOSED THE COVENANTS THAT EXIST NOW HAD ALREADY SOLD THIS LOT ALONG WITH SEVERAL, SEVERAL OTHERS OUT TO PEOPLE AND AT THAT POINT HAD NO AUTHORITY TO NOW IMPOSE COVENANTS ON PROPERTY THEY'D ALREADY SOLD.

COMMENT.

SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY.

UM, MCCAULEY, ALL VERY GOOD.

INTERESTING.

I HAVE A LITTLE STORYBOARD THAT BACKS UP MY INFORMATION.

I HAVE A COPY OF THE AMENDED COVENANTS FROM 2001 THAT CLEARLY LIST BLOCK A LOT TWO IN THE COVENANTS.

THIS IS THE SIGN THAT GREETS YOU AS YOU ENTER OUR NEIGHBORHOOD DEL LAMO, A PRIVATE DEEP WATER RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY, NO HUNTING, FISHING, OR TRESPASSING.

THE SWEET LITTLE HISTORIC COMMUNITY OF ONLY 102 LOTS.

AH, , APPROXIMATELY 70 HOUSES IS SITUATED ON EDDING CREEK WITH A PRIVATE MARINA BOAT LAUNCH COMMON AREAS AND COMMUNITY PAVILION.

IN 2022, OUR BOARD RECEIVED A NUMBER OF COMPLAINTS ABOUT ILLEGAL SHORT-TERM RENTALS.

AIRBNBS GARBAGE LEFT ON THE STREETS, NOISE LOUD, MUSIC, FIREWORKS AT ALL HOURS, FOUL LANGUAGE, ABUSIVE AMENITIES, NO CONTRIBUTION TO THE UPKEEP OF OUR ARENA AND COMMON AREAS, CONCERNS FOR SAFETY, LIABILITY, AND SECURITY.

VISITORS WERE IGNORING SPEED LIMITS.

AND YES, WE HAVE POSTED SPEED LIMITS, DOESN'T MATTER.

THEY WERE LAUNCHING LARGE BOATS IN OUR ARENA, DRIVING BOATS AT SPEEDS THAT ADVERSELY IMPACTED OUR DOCKS AND VULNERABLE MARSH AREAS.

IT WAS NOT UNUSUAL FOR MULTIPLE TRUCKS WITH BOATS PARKED OUT ON THE STREETS AND UP TO SIX CARS IN THE DRIVEWAYS.

IN APRIL OF 2022, THE BOARD CHAIR APPOINTED A COMMITTEE TO STUDY THE IMPACT OF SHORT-TERM RENTALS.

I FIND THIS VERY INTERESTING BECAUSE THE PERSON WHO SIGNED ON BEHALF OF THE HOA ACTUALLY WAS A PART OF THAT COMMITTEE AND SHARED THIS AMENDED COVENANT WITH US FOR THE COMMITTEE.

WE RESEARCHED THE POLICIES IN NEIGHBORING COMMUNITIES, BEAUFORT COUNTY REQUIREMENTS, AND WE DEVELOPED A SURVEY FLYER THAT WAS MAILED TO ALL PROPERTY OWNERS ASKING FOR INPUT ON SHORT-TERM RENTALS.

THE OVERWHELMING RESPONSE TO THE SURVEY WAS A SOLID NODE TO SHORT-TERM RENTALS, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF ONE RESPONSE FROM AN OWNER THAT HAD A VACANT LOT AND LIVES IN ANOTHER STATE.

SEVERAL HOMEOWNERS INDICATED THEY MOVED TO DEL LAMO BECAUSE OF ISSUES WITH SHORT-TERM RENTALS IN THEIR PREVIOUS HOMES.

RV SEARCH SHOWED THAT QUALITY OF LIFE AND PROPERTY VALUES ARE DIRECTLY IMPACTED IN COMMUNITIES WITH SHORT-TERM RENTALS.

IN ADDITION, LONG-TERM RENTAL FEES ARE ALSO NEGATIVELY IMPACTED.

THIS PROPERTY IS LISTED IN THE DEL LAMO HOMEOWNERS COVENANT UNDER BLOCK A LOT TWO, WHICH IS THE DESCRIPTION IN THE DEED OF WHICH I HAVE A COPY ON MY STORYBOARD HERE.

THE BUFORT PROPERTY, UH, COUNTY PROPERTY CLASS CODE IS RESIDENTIAL SINGLE FAMILY.

THE PROPERTY WAS ADVERTISED FOR SALE, WATERFRONT DOCK LAUNCH AMENITIES AND LOW HOA FEES.

WE ARE PROHIBITED FROM COMMERCIAL USE OF DOCKS IN OUR COMMUNITY AND WE'VE RECENTLY DEALT WITH THAT SITUATION.

ALSO, THE APPROVAL OF A SHORT-TERM RENT WOULD SET A VERY BAD PRECEDENT IN THE

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WE LIVE HERE, WE ARE NOT SNOWBIRDS OR A BEACH COMMUNITY.

MANY OF OUR RESIDENTS OWN AND WORK AT LOCAL BUSINESSES AND HAVE BEEN HERE FOR MANY YEARS.

WE WANT TO ENSURE THAT DEL LAMO REMAINS A WELCOMING, SAFE AND FAMILY-ORIENTED COMMUNITY.

WHILE I RESPECT HIS CONCERN TO BE ABLE TO OFFSET HIS MORTGAGE, IT WOULD SET A PRECEDENT THAT WOULD BE VERY BAD IN THIS COMMUNITY.

AND I URGE YOU TO REJECT THE ZONING APPEAL FOR SPECIAL USE SHORT-TERM RENTAL.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.

I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU, MS. MCCAULEY THAT ADDRESS HIS ADDRESS.

IS IT, DID YOU SAY IT WAS ON THAT THREE DEL LAMO BLUFF? I LIVE ON 66TH DEL LAMO BLUFF AND IT IS ON THE MAP.

IT'S ON THE MAP OF OUR COMMUNITY.

I'VE, I'VE LAID IT ALL OUT THE MAP OF OUR COMMUNITY, THE DEED, HERE'S A COPY OF THE DEED.

CLEARLY LAY, LAYS IT OUT AT THAT LOT IN THAT SECTION AND IT'S CLEARLY LISTED IN OUR COVENANT THAT WAS AMENDED IN 2001.

BUT ISN'T IT, IT'S NOT GONNA BE CONCLUSIVE AS TO THE PROPERTY SUBJECT TO THE COVENANT OR NOT.

IT'S NOT LOCKED 10, IT'S LOCKED TWO AND IT IS LISTED AS A PART OF THAT FLAT 25 1 16 WHEN THE COVENANTS WERE DONE IN 1977.

WELL, WITH THAT BEING SAID, UM, IS, IS THERE ANY MORE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT? SO WE CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT AT THIS TIME, LADIES AND JENS, I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE HILLARY'S RECOMMENDATION THAT, UM, MR. GILBERT GET IN TOUCH WITH THE COUNTY ATTORNEY AND SEE IF THEY CAN FIGURE OUT IF THERE'S ACTUALLY COME TO AN AGREEMENT, IF THERE'S COVENANTS OR NOT, BECAUSE I THINK THAT THAT'S IMPORTANT.

SO ARE YOU SAYING WE DEFER THIS? MM-HMM.

? YEAH, I I WOULD BE PROBABLY IN FAVOR OF THAT TOO.

I, I MEAN IS THIS, I THINK IS THIS, I THINK THAT THE ISSUE COULD BE WORKED OUT.

I THINK IT'S FAIRLY CLEAR IF THE ATTORNEYS GET TOGETHER AS TO THIS.

UM, DID YOU GUYS, SO WHY DON'T, UH, WHAT ONE OF THE RECOMMENDATION IS, IS WE ALL, YEAH, I MEAN YOU CAN HEAR ME.

YOU DON'T HAVE TO IT IS TO MAYBE DEFER THIS INTO OUR NEXT SCHEDULED MEETING.

'CAUSE OBVIOUSLY THERE IS SOME CONFLICT HERE AND YOU KNOW, MAYBE IT CAN BE WORKED OUT.

I WOULDN'T SAY WORKED OUT BUT, YOU KNOW, IRON OUT SOME OF THE WRINKLES THAT'S IN THERE AND MAYBE YOU GUYS WILL BE BACK BEFORE US OR MAYBE NOT.

BUT, UM, IT WOULD BE, IT IS THE PLEASURE OF THIS BOARD THAT, YOU KNOW, WE RECOMMEND THAT WE RESCHEDULE THIS TO OUR NEXT SCHEDULE, DEFER IT TO OUR NEXT SCHEDULE MEETING, WHICH IS NEXT MONTH.

DO YOU NEED A MOTION ON THAT? I DON'T THINK WELL GO AHEAD.

WE CAN DO IT.

I MOVE THAT WE, UM, DEFER THIS, UM, ITEM NUMBER 14 UNTIL NEXT MONTH.

I SECOND.

ALL IN FAVOR OF IT'S BEEN PROPERLY MADE.

AND SECOND TO DEFER THIS TO OUR NEXT MONTH MEETING.

ALL IN FAVOR, PASS NEXT HIM UP.

UM, ALL RIGHT,

[16. Heidi Holland is requesting a Special Use Permit for a Lodging, Short-Term Rental Unit. The property is located at 11 Running W Road, Bluffton. The property is zoned T2-Rural (T2R)]

MS. HOLLAND.

SEE, HELLO.

MY NAME IS ALEC WESTMARK.

I AM HERE ON BEHALF OF HEIDI HOLLAND, UH, REQUESTING A SPECIAL USE PERMIT FOR A SHORT TERM RENTAL AT 11 RUNNING W ROAD.

UH, THE HOUSE IS A RIGHT NEXT DOOR TO THEIR PRIMARY, UH, LIVING WHERE THEY LIVE AND HAVE A HORSE PASTURE AND, UH, ARE RAISING A FAMILY.

AND THEY BOUGHT THIS PROPERTY, UH, IN HOPES TO MAKE IT A SHORT TERM RENTAL.

THAT'S ALL.

LEMME ASK YOU THIS.

I'M HOPING YOU'RE NOT UNDER ANY COVENANTS, ARE YOU? THEY'RE AMENDED FOR SHORT.

FOR SHORT TERM RENTAL.

MANY PEOPLE WOULD BE IN THE HOUSE? UH, I BELIEVE IT WAS, IT CAN ACCOMMODATE I BELIEVE SIX.

IS THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? AND YOU SAID THEY LIVE NEXT DOOR TO THE HOUSE THAT'S GOING TO BE SHORT TERM, CORRECT? THAT IT'S THEIR PRIMARY RESIDENCE RIGHT NEXT DOOR.

HOW

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YES, SIX IS WHAT'S ON THE, IT'S A THREE BEDROOM.

YES, I SEE IT.

AND SO THEY WOULD BE MANAGING THE PROPERTY, CORRECT.

ANY MORE QUESTIONS? JUST NO MORE QUESTIONS FOR YOU AT THE MOMENT.

UM, HILLARY, WE HAVE YOUR RECOMMENDATION.

WELL LIKE HE SAID, THEY AMENDED THEIR COVENANTS TO ALLOW SHORT TERM RENTAL.

SO I WOULD RECOMMEND, I DUNNO IF I PUT IT PER THEIR COVENANTS, THEY GET TO DO SHORT TERM RENTAL FOR I THINK IT'S WHAT, FIVE YEARS? FIVE YEARS? YEAH.

SO WE WOULD RECOMMEND THAT.

I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT YOU GUYS, YOU KNOW, LIMIT THE SHORT TERM RENTAL TO FIVE YEARS.

18, REVEREND JAMES LEWIS.

SO YEAH, I THINK MM-HMM? .

THANK YOU MA'AM.

UM, IT WAS FIVE YEARS FROM THE DATE OF THIS, SO IT'S FOUR YEARS FROM NOW.

SO WE DO NOT HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT FOR THIS ITEM.

SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, WE'LL OPEN AND CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENTS.

UM, LADIES OBJECT.

WE'VE HEARD FROM THE COUNTY AND THE APPLICANT.

MR. PLEASURE.

I MOVE, WE APPROVE THE SHORT TERM RENTAL FOR A PERIOD OF FOUR YEARS.

UM, ENDING ON JULY 24TH, UM, 2028.

ALRIGHT, SO THERE'S A MOTION ON THE FLOOR TO APPROVE THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT.

SECOND AND SECOND.

ALL IN FAVOR? SO IT'S BEEN APPROVED.

ALRIGHT, MOVING RIGHT ALONG.

THE LAST AND MOST INTERESTING.

THERE YOU GO.

ITEM NUMBER

[18. Rev. James Lewis is requesting a Special Use Permit for a Camp and Retreat Center. The property is located at 333 Brickyard Point Road S, Ladys Island. The property is zoned T2-Rural (T2R).]

REQUESTING A SPECIAL USE PERMIT.

YOU GOING FIRST? YES.

GOOD EVENING.

THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.

MY NAME IS WALTER NESTER AND I'M AN ATTORNEY WITH THE LAW FIRM OF BY FOREMAN.

UH, AND WE REPRESENT THE, THE APPLICANT, THE ANGLICAN DIOCESE OF, UH, SOUTH CAROLINA.

WITH ME TONIGHT IS REVEREND KEN WELDON, UH, AS WELL AS, UH, A VOLUNTEER ON BEHALF OF THE DIOCESE.

AND HIS NAME IS FRANK ZAIN.

WE ALSO HAVE, UM, DAN KEEFER WITH WHITMER JONES, KE KEEFER, GREG BA WITH WARD EDWARDS AND ANDY EGAN WITH TRAFFIC CONSULTANTS, SANTEC STANTEC.

UM, I DO WANT, IT'S A LONG APPLICATION AND I APPRECIATE IT.

IT'S BEEN A LONG NIGHT, BUT WE'RE HERE FOR THREE SPECIAL USE PERMITS AS PART OF THIS APPLICATION.

AND I THINK THAT'S, IM IMPORTANT TO POINT OUT THAT ONE IS FOR LODGING FOR AN INN OF UP TO 24 ROOMS, AND THAT'S SET FORTH IN THE APP IN OUR, IN OUR APPLICATION.

THE SECOND SPECIAL USE PERMIT REQUEST IS FOR A MEETING FACILITY, PLACE OF WORSHIP, 15, UM, THOUSAND SQUARE FEET OR UP TO 15,000 SQUARE FEET.

UM, AND THE THIRD IS FOR, UH, APPROVAL OF A SPECIAL USE PERMIT TO IDENTIFY WHAT THIS USE IS BECAUSE THERE'S NOT ANYTHING IN YOUR COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT CODE THAT REALLY IDENTIFIES IT.

'CAUSE IT'S A MIX OF VARIOUS USES.

UM, AND THE SPECIAL AND WHAT WAS LANDED ON BY STAFF WAS TO RECOMMEND THAT THIS BE CLASSIFIED AS A RECREATION FACILITY, COMMERCIAL, OUTDOOR.

AND SO THAT WOULD BE THE THIRD SPECIAL USE PERMIT THAT WE'RE REQUESTING.

UM, I, IN THE A IN THE STAFF COMMENTS, THERE IS DISCUSSION ABOUT DOCKS.

I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY, THE DOCKS ARE NOT A PART OF OUR APPLICATION.

IT'S THOSE THREE SPECIAL USE PERMITS THAT WE'RE REQUESTING.

UM, AND I ALSO BELIEVE THAT IT WOULD PROBABLY BE BEST FOR, UH, REVEREND WELDON TO SPEAK ABOUT WHAT IS PROPOSED ON THIS SITE.

SO IF WITH YOUR PERMISSION, MR. CHAIRMAN, I'D LIKE MR. UH, REVEREND WELDON TO TALK ABOUT THE PROJECT.

WE'RE A NONPROFIT ORGANIZATION.

UH, MY NAME IS KEN WELDON.

I'M NOT JIM LEWIS, BUT JIM IS A REPRESENTATIVE OF THE ANGLICAN DIOCESE.

SO HIS NAME IS

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ON THE APPLICATION.

I'M THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF CAMP JUBILEE, WHICH IS A MINISTRY OF THE ANGLICAN DIOCESE OF SOUTH CAROLINA.

IT IS A SUMMER CAMP PROGRAM.

UH, I WANNA THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR TIME.

I WANNA THANK THE SRT.

THEY WORKED WITH US OVER SEVERAL MEETINGS.

UH, WE ARE CURRENTLY A SUMMER CAMP THAT ARE RENTING SPACE IN OTHER PLACES AROUND SOUTH CAROLINA, AND WE WERE LOOKING FOR OUR FOREVER HOME, UH, AND BELIEVE THAT WE HAVE FOUND IT ON LADIES ISLAND ON THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY.

UM, OUR PRIMARY, UH, MISSION, UH, WITH THIS CAMP IS TO SHARE THE GOSPEL WITH YOUNG PEOPLE AND WITH OTHER FOLKS THAT COME TO THE RETREAT CENTER.

UH, WE SEE IT AS A PLACE WHERE WE'RE RAISING UP AND SHAPING CHRISTIAN LEADERS FOR THE CHURCH AND FOR THE WORLD.

UH, WE WANT TO BUILD CHRISTIAN COMMUNITY THERE, AND WE WANT TO INTRODUCE KIDS TO WHAT IT MEANS TO BE PART OF A CHRISTIAN COMMUNITY.

BUT WE ALSO WANT TO GET THEM OUT IN THE WOODS IN NATURE.

WE WANT TO GET THEM OUT OF, UH, SITTING IN FRONT OF SCREENS AS SO MANY, UH, YOUNG KIDS ARE THESE DAYS.

SO WE WANT TO BE OUT IN NATURE.

UH, WE WANT TO BE IN THE LOW COUNTRY.

WE WANT TO BE NEAR THE WATER WHERE THERE'S FLOATING AND FISHING AND KAYAKING, AND WE CAN ENJOY, UH, THE AMENITIES OF THE LOW COUNTRY.

UH, HERE IN BEAUFORT, UM, WE FELT CALLED HERE.

WE LOOKED AT, UH, SEVERAL PIECES OF PROPERTY IN BEAUFORT COUNTY.

UM, AND THIS WAS THE PERFECT SITE.

UH, WE THOUGHT, UH, FOR CAMP JUBILEE, WE KNOW THERE'S SOME PUSHBACK FROM, UH, THE NEIGHBORS, BUT WE ALSO HAVE SOME OTHER NEIGHBORS HERE THAT I THINK WILL SPEAK ON OUR BEHALF.

UH, FINALLY, WE DON'T WANT TO BE, UH, AN INVESTOR WHO'S OUT TO MAKE MONEY.

WE WANT TO BE A BLESSING TO LADIES ISLAND.

WE WANT TO BE A BLESSING, UH, TO BEAUFORT, AND WE WANT TO BE GOOD NEIGHBORS.

UM, OUR PLAN, UH, PRESERVES, UH, ROUGHLY HALF OF THE NATURAL WOODED SPACE THAT'S RIGHT THERE ON THE ROAD.

UM, WE DON'T WANT TO HAVE ANY ADVERSE IMPACT ON OUR NEIGHBORS OR ON THE ADJACENT LAND.

UM, AND OUR, OUR HOPE IS TO BE A PART OF THIS COMMUNITY FOR YEARS AND YEARS, UH, TO COME AND TO BE GOOD NEIGHBORS.

AS I SAID TO THE FOLKS ON LADIES ISLAND AND TO THE FOLKS IN BEAUFORT AND BEYOND.

UM, OUR TEAM IS HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT THE ZBOA HAS.

UH, WE UNDERSTAND THAT THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT STUFF, UH, GOING ON, MR. CHAIRMAN, AS YOU SAID.

UH, LAST AND MAYBE MOST INTERESTING, IT'S SOME, SOME ODD STUFF AND WE'RE LEARNING THROUGH THIS PROCESS AS WELL.

AGAIN, WE JUST WANNA THANK Y'ALL FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION AND WE WANNA THANK AGAIN THE, UH, STAFF REVIEW TEAM, UH, FOR GUIDING US THROUGH, UH, THIS PROCESS.

I HAVE QUESTIONS.

UM, MR. NEST, UM, QUESTION, WE HAVE QUESTIONS THERE FOR YOU GUYS.

UM, I'M REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT WHAT YOU CALL A ROOM AND WHAT IS IT, IN MY DEFINITION OF AN END IS LIKE A, A LODGING FACILITY WHERE YOU WOULD HAVE SINGLE ROOMS OR MAYBE A SUITE THAT WOULD HAVE MAXIMUM OF 24 ROOMS. AND WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING IS SETTING A HORRIBLE PRECEDENT.

I COUNTED UP THE ROOMS AND THERE ARE, SO COTTAGES ONE THROUGH SIX ARE 2,400 SQUARE FEET.

ON YOUR LIST, YOU SAY THAT'S, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU SAY HOW MANY BUILDINGS, YOU JUST COUNT THAT AS ONE BUILDING.

SO THERE'S ACTUALLY 35 BUILDINGS, NOT 16.

UM, THE THREE BEDROOM COTTAGES, YOU'RE COUNTING AS ONE ROOM, A HOTEL ROOM.

TYPICAL HOTEL ROOM IS 302 5 SQUARE FEET.

A LUXURY HOTEL ROOM IS FOUR TO 600 SQUARE FEET.

WE HAVE 2,700 SQUARE FEET OF THE 15 COTTAGES.

WE HAVE 1,440 SQUARE FEET OF ROOMS ONE THROUGH SIX.

AND THEN, THEN THERE'S TWO ADDITIONAL THREE BEDROOM HOUSES OF 6,000 SQUARE FEET HOUSE.

AND THERE'S NO WAY THAT THIS IS 24 ROOMS. I DON'T KNOW WHY YOU'RE SO DISINGENUOUS.

YOU THINK WE'RE STUPID OR WE'RE NOT PAYING ATTENTION.

IT'S JUST NOT AN END.

WELL, MS. FREDERICKS, I'M GONNA, UH, ASK DAN KEEFER TO SPEAK TO THAT, BUT I, I WOULD WANT TO COMMENT.

WE'RE NOT, WE DON'T THINK THAT OF THE ZBOA AND WE'RE NOT TRYING TO BE DISINGENUOUS.

AND IT'S, AND IT'S IN THE PLAN THAT'S SUBMITTED WITH THE PACKAGE.

UM, AND THIS HAS BEEN BASED ON OUR DISCUSSIONS WITH STAFF FOR A COUPLE OF MONTHS.

I'M ABOUT THE, THE WAY THAT THIS SHOULD BE HANDLED.

SO, BUT I'LL LET MR. KEEFER SPEAK TO THE, UH, TO THE SIZES AND SOME OF YOUR CONCERNS.

DAN KEEFER WITH MAJE KEEFER.

I CAN WALK THROUGH SOME OF THE USES AND I MAY LOOK

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TO REVEREND.

WELL, I, I, I WANNA TALK ABOUT THE IN AND THE ROOMS RIGHT NOW.

SURE.

IF YOU COULD EXPLAIN THAT TO ME.

SURE.

SO THEY'RE LOOKING AT THE PLAN.

THEY'RE, THE END ROOM'S ONE THROUGH SIX.

WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE CALLING THOSE CABINS.

SO THEY'RE, THEY'RE SET UP AS ONE SPACE THAT'S OCCUPIED FOR THE RETREAT USE.

AND WITH 24 BEDS IN EACH ONE WITH BED ACCORDING TO THE, UM, PERMIT AS, AS PART OF THE OVERNIGHT CAMP EXPERIENCE.

SO THIS IS, THIS IS NOT A HOTEL EXPERIENCE, THIS IS NOT A RESORT.

THIS IS A, A SUMMER CAMP.

SO, SO THE ONE THROUGH SIX, THOSE ARE CABINS SET UP FOR THE, THE KIDS CAMP.

I THINK WE SAID 105 TOTAL FOR THAT.

120 FOR THAT.

SO THOSE KIDS WILL BE THERE AS PART OF THAT CAMP EXPERIENCE.

THE SEVEN THROUGH 19, WELL, SEVEN THROUGH 22.

THOSE ARE THE RETREAT PART OF THE EXPERIENCE.

, THOSE ARE FOR, FOR THE EVENT EXPERIENCES.

THERE MAY BE A, A MEN'S WEEKEND OR A FAMILY EVENT.

THAT, THAT THOSE ARE OCCUPIED.

AND HOW MANY ROOMS ARE IN EACH ONE OF THOSE? THERE, THOSE ARE ONE SPACE.

THERE MAY BE LIKE A SUITE OF SLEEPING, SLEEPING AREA, TWO SLEEPING AREAS.

WE, WE, THEY HAVEN'T BEEN DESIGNED YET AT THIS POINT.

BUT YOU'RE, BUT LOOKING AT THE, UM, SEPTIC PERMIT THAT YOU'VE PUT TOGETHER, IT SAID THAT THERE'S THREE BEDROOMS. WELL, WE, WE HAD TO, AS, AS PART OF THE, THE SRT PROCESS, WE HAD TO BACK INTO A SCENARIO FOR ALL OF THE SEPTIC DESIGN AS PART OF THE CONCEPTUAL PROCESS.

SO WE, WE DID OUTLINE POTENTIAL USES, UM, AS WE GET THROUGH THIS PROCESS IN THE FINAL, THE, THOSE USES THAT WE FINALIZED IN TERMS OF FINAL BEDROOM COUNTS.

AND USES.

SO CAMPS ARE ALLOWED IN THIS ZONING.

WHY DID YOU NOT GO FOR THAT ZONING THERE? THERE WASN'T A SPECIFIC USE FOR THE, FOR, AS A A CAMP RETREAT, THERE IS A, UM, UH, DEVE SEMI DEVELOPED AND DEVELOPED CAMPGROUNDS, WHICH IS VERY VAGUE.

THEY WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO USE THAT.

THERE'S NO, UH, PUBLIC SEWER.

BUT WE'RE GONNA HAVE OVER 48,875 SQUARE FEET OF SEWER SEPTIC FIELDS ON THIS PROPERTY AS YOUR PROPOSING, WHICH IS OVER AN ACRE OF SEPTIC.

I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO LOOK AT ALSO THE, THE SIZE THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IN TERMS OF THE SPACE AND THE EXPERIENCE.

PROVIDED THE, YOU KNOW, AN IN AN IN ROOM AS BY DEFINITION OR, OR AN IN SPACE COULD FIT ON A HALF ACRE OR AN ACRE OF PROPERTY.

AND, AND WE'VE SPREAD THAT OUT THROUGH SIX 60 ACRES.

AND WE'RE, WE'RE BEING VERY, VERY SENSITIVE TO THE SPACE.

AND AGAIN, I I, THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE WITH SPECIAL USE.

THE, THE SPECIAL USE COMES TO ZBLA FOR, FOR THE, THIS INTERPRETATION OF, OF HOW WE'RE USING THE PROPERTY.

WE, WE WORK VERY CLOSELY WITH STAFF TO DEVELOP THIS PLAN AND THE, THE APPLICATION.

SO THAT, THAT, THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE AS FAR AS THE SQUARE FOOTAGES OF THE END IN EACH EACH ROOM.

THIS IS THE, THIS IS THE INFORMATION WE PROVIDED AND GLAD TO CLARIFY THAT IN MORE DETAIL IF WE NEED TO.

WELL, I, I'M A LITTLE CONFUSED ABOUT IT TOO.

UH, IF YOU GOT THOSE ONE THROUGH SIX AND THEY CAN HOUSE 24 PEOPLE EACH MONTH, CORRECT.

AND THAT'S NOT COUNTING THE OTHER COTTAGES OR INNS OR WHATEVER YOU CALL 'EM.

THOSE WILL BE LARGE ROOMS WITH, YOU WANNA DESCRIBE THOSE? YEAH, THOSE ARE CHILDREN.

BETTER TO, TO ASK FOR EVERYTHING AND THEN WE SHRINK DOWN IF WE NEED TO BECAUSE WE, WE WE'RE NOT, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T HAVE A FULL PLAN YET.

I UNDERSTAND YOU'RE GONNA BE WAY ABOVE THE 120.

YOU INDICATED THAT WOULD BE CAMPING THERE.

YEAH, WE'RE GONNA, THE, THE PROPOSAL IS FOR SIX CABINS THAT ARE SORT OF DIVIDED IN HALF FOR ONE BUILDING THAT BASICALLY HOLD 10 KIDS ON EACH SIDE FOR A TOTAL CAPACITY OF 120 CAMPERS PLUS COUNSELORS.

UH, I'M, I'M, I'M GETTING THERE.

I'M GETTING THERE.

UM, AND SO THOSE ARE THE CAMPERS.

AND THEN, UH, WE WILL HAVE SEASONAL STAFF THAT WILL BE THERE.

UH, UM, AND THEN WE'RE PROPOSING THE RETREAT CENTER AS THINGS THAT WOULD BE USED PROBABLY NOT AS MUCH DURING THE SUMMER, BUT AT DIFFERENT TIMES.

AND I SAW SOMETHING THAT SAID, YOU KNOW, THREE FAMILIES IN EACH OF THOSE ROOMS WE'RE, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SMALL COTTAGES.

THE THING THAT WAS OUR UNDERSTANDING FROM THE SRT, AND I MAY HAVE MISUNDERSTOOD, IS THAT IT'S

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WE'RE, WE'RE DOING IT IN PHASES.

UM, AND, AND WE'LL, WE'LL ABIDE BY WHAT, WHATEVER THEY SAY, BUT, BUT THE GOAL IS, IS SMALL COTTAGES THAT ARE PROBABLY GONNA BE SIX OR 800 SQUARE FEET EACH, THAT ARE JUST, UH, GUEST COTTAGES LIKE YOU WOULD HAVE AT ANOTHER END.

WHAT, WHAT YOU'RE SHOWING US IS THAT THERE, UM, 15 COTTAGES AT 1800 SQUARE FEET, WHICH IS TWICE AS BIG AS MY FIRST HOUSE WAS IT'S, AND MINE TOO.

UM, BUT, UH, I, I THINK WE JUST, WE TALKED TO HER, BUT I DON'T, I, I MEAN, WE'RE HAPPY TO, TO TALK ABOUT THE SIZE OF THOSE THINGS.

THEY'RE NOT, THESE ARE NOT HOUSES WHERE PEOPLE LIVE FULL TIME OR RENT LONG TERM.

THEY ARE GONNA BE EFFICIENCY COTTAGES WITH THE, THE, THE, THE EITHER TWO BEDROOM OR THREE BEDROOM THAT HAVE A, A, A SMALL LIVING AREA, A SMALL PORCH AND, AND, AND A AND, AND A BEDROOM OR TWO.

BUT IF THERE ARE THREE BEDROOMS, HOW CAN YOU COUNT THAT AS ONE ROOM? AND WHEN WE GET SOMEBODY COMING IN ON A, A SENSITIVE BARRIER ISLAND SAYING, WELL, YOU PASSED AN INN THAT HAD, YOU KNOW, 15 ROOMS THAT WERE ACTUALLY 45 ROOMS. I, I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION.

I MEAN, I DON'T SEE HOW WE COULD SET THAT PRECEDENT.

'CAUSE YOU'RE SAYING SOMETHING DIFFERENT.

I, I WOULD JUST ADD TO THAT AS FAR AS THE PRECEDENT IS, IS THE USE THAT WE'RE, WE'RE LOOKING AT HERE, NON-PROFIT AND C CAMP RETREAT.

SO I THINK HOLISTICALLY LOOKING AT THE, WHAT'S WHAT'S IN FRONT OF YOU, THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT'S BEING APPROVED.

SO AS FAR AS SETTING THE PRECEDENT, THIS IS TOTALLY DIFFERENT THAN A RESORT THAT SOMEBODY WOULD COME IN AND PRIVATELY DEVELOP, IF THAT'S THE CONCERN.

I AM I CORRECT THAT YOU'RE GONNA DO THE CAMP PART FIRST AND THEN AT SOME PART DEVELOP? YES, MA'AM.

OUR, OUR HOPE WOULD BE TO DEVELOP THE SUMMER CAMP PART FIRST.

UH, AND OUR FIRST PART WOULD BE TO GET APPROVAL FROM YOU ALL, OBVIOUSLY, UH, TO BUILD A CAMP AT ALL.

AND THEN, UH, THE SUMMER CAMP WOULD BE NEXT AND THE RETREAT CENTER, UH, WOULD COME LATER.

AND THE GOAL WAS NEVER FOR THAT TO BE A LARGE CONFERENCE CENTER WITH, YOU KNOW, HUNDREDS OF GUESTS, BUT FOR IT TO BE A SMALL, UH, A, A SMALL RETREAT CENTER WITH, WITH, WITH COTTAGES THAT PEOPLE COULD COME AND, AND, AND HAVE RETREATS FOR WORK IF THEY'RE OVERNIGHT THAT WANT TO COME TO THE LOW COUNTRY AND, AND BE HERE OR SO YOU'RE AMENABLE TO MAKING THOSE SMALL.

ABSOLUTELY.

YES MA'AM.

SIR, I THINK THE PROBLEM IS OBVIOUSLY THESE PLANS ARE CONFUSING US WITH THE SQUARE FOOTAGES AND THE HEADCOUNT.

BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT'S ON THE PLANS.

AND THAT'S WHERE I THINK THE, UH, WELL, MS. MS HOS JUST ASKED IF WE WERE AMENABLE TO CHANGING IT.

AND WE ARE.

I UNDERSTAND THAT.

BUT WE'RE MAKING A DECISION BASED OFF WHAT'S IN FRONT OF US.

SO IF I, IF I VOTE YES, AND YOU WANT TO PUT A, A CABIN ON THERE AT 1800 SQUARE FEET, IT HAS 24 BEDS IN EACH ONE.

NOW YOU CAN DO IT.

'CAUSE WE APPROVED IT.

WELL, FOR THE, FOR THE CABINS.

THOSE, THOSE, WE, WE DO WANT THOSE TO, THERE, THERE WOULD BE 10 KIDS ON EACH SIDE.

SO 20 KIDS WITH BATHROOMS AND PORCH, YOU KNOW, TO BE OUT THERE.

BUT YES, SIR.

I THINK WHAT SHE WAS ASKING MAYBE WAS MOVING FORWARD WITH THE, THE COTTAGES AND THE ENDS PART.

AND OUR UNDERSTANDING WAS THAT, UH, WE DIDN'T HAVE, COULDN'T DO A BIG END.

SO WHAT WE WERE TRYING TO DO IS GET THE SAME NUMBER OF GUESTS, 50, 60, A HUNDRED, DEPENDING ON HOW THE BEDROOMS FILL UP.

OBVIOUSLY IF IT'S A MEN'S RETREAT, THEY'RE NOT THAT THE, THE, THE ROOMS BECOME LESS, EVEN THOUGH THEY HAVE DOUBLE BEDS IN THEM.

BUT OUR GOAL IS NOT TO BE A BIG HUGE CONFERENCE CENTER.

OUR, OUR GOAL IS TO BE A SMALL RETREAT CENTER AND A AND A SUMMER CAMP.

I UNDERSTAND THAT.

I SUPPORT THAT.

BUT YOUR PLANS ARE STATING SOMETHING, TELLING ME SOMETHING DIFFERENT.

YOU'RE SAYING 10 BEDS.

10 BEDS ON EACH SIDE.

YOUR PLANS SAY 24 BEDS.

THAT'S PER BUILDING, CORRECT? NO, I'M SAYING 10 BEDS ON EACH SIDE OF EACH BUILDING.

CORRECT.

OH, AND, AND THE COUNSELOR, THE, THE OTHERS.

SO 12 ON EACH SIDE FOR A TOTAL OF, OF 24 COUNTING THE COUNSELOR AND STAFF TIMES SIX FOR THE SUMMER CAMP, WHICH MINIMUM YOU WOULD HAVE TO COUNT THAT AS TWO ROOMS FOR EACH BUILDING.

SO THAT WOULD BE 12 ROOMS THERE.

SO WE WOULD BE LIMITED TO 12 MORE ROOMS ON THE REST OF THE, THE RETREAT CENTER FOR A TOTAL OF 12 AND 12 MM-HMM.

A TOTAL OF 12 OTHER ROOMS TOTAL.

12 WITH NO.

WOULD THAT INCLUDE WHAT, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN FOR LIKE STAFF HOUSING THAT LIVE ON THE PROPERTY? ARE WE, ARE, WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT THAT YET.

I THINK, I THINK THE STAFF HOUSING COULD PROBABLY DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT.

THE, IN WHICH YOU'RE CALLING THESE RETREAT ROOMS, THE IN, YOU CAN ONLY HAVE 24 ROOMS. AND A ROOM IS A ROOM, NOT THREE ROOMS. OKAY.

BUT IF YOU, IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT

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I UNDERSTAND.

AND IF I MAY, MR. CHAIRMAN, JUST THE, THE PLAN IS, IS IS TO ASSIST THE ZBOA, THERE ARE THREE SPECIAL USE PERMITS.

AND THE ONE SPECIAL USE PERMIT THAT'S BEING REQUESTED IS TO ALLOW AN IN, IN THIS ZONING DISTRICT WITH UP TO 24 ROOMS. AND THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT THE APPLICATION IS.

AND THE PIC, THE PICTURE OBVIOUSLY IS CAUSING SOME CONFUSION.

BUT WE CAN, YOU KNOW, YOU, WE COULD PUT RESTRICTIONS, UH, I MEAN WE'RE WORKING, THIS, THIS IS A RESULT OF, IS A PRODUCT OF NOT ONLY, UH, THE PRO THE CONSULTANTS, BUT ALSO A PRODUCT OF THE CONSULTANTS WORKING WITH COUNTY STAFF.

AND SO WE CAN CONTINUE TO WORK WITH COUNTY STAFF BASED ON PARAMETERS THAT THE ZBOA PUTS ON, ON, ON THE APPLICATION.

BECAUSE AGAIN, WE'RE NOT TRYING TO PULL ONE OVER THIS, THIS, THIS INFORMATION WAS PROVIDED TO THE ZBOA BECAUSE WE WANTED TO SHOW YOU WHY THESE, WE NEEDED THOSE SPECIAL USES AND WHY WE FELT THAT IT WAS A GOOD USE AND MEANT THE CRITERIA FOR THE APPROVAL OF A SPECIAL USE.

WE VERY MUCH APPRECIATE THIS CONVERSATION, BUT WE ASK THAT HELP, HELP US WITH, BECAUSE WE'RE HERE FOR SPECIAL USE APPROVAL, GIVE US SOME PARAMETERS, GIVE US SOMETHING TO WORK WITH SO WE CAN 24 24 ROOMS IS WHAT THE SPECIAL USE IS FOR.

THAT'S CORRECT.

YES, THAT'S CORRECT.

AND THIS IS NOT, THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT IT, THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT THE ORDINANCE, THAT'S WHAT THE ORDINANCE SAYS.

RIGHT.

AND SO I WOULD SAY A ROOM, IF IT'S A COTTAGE, WOULD PROBABLY BE GENEROUS.

SIX TO 800 SQUARE FEET MAX.

THAT WOULD GIVE YOU A ROOM SPACE FOR A BATHROOM AND A LITTLE BIT BIGGER.

I MEAN, BUT 1800 FOR ONE ROOM IS NOT IN KEEPING WITH OUR SPECIAL USE REQUIREMENTS.

WELL, THERE'S NO, THERE'S, THERE'S NO ROOM SIZE THAT'S IN THE ORDINANCE THAT, THAT I'M, THAT I'M AWARE OF.

AND I, I, I APPRECIATE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING AND YOUR EXPERIENCE AND, AND WHAT, HOW YOU'RE IDENTIFYING IT.

BUT WE'RE, WE'RE NOT, BUT WE DON DON'T WHAT WE DON'T KNOW WHAT TO SHOOT FOR.

BUT YOU'RE COUNTING A BUILDING WITH THREE BEDROOMS AS ONE ROOM.

AND THAT IS NOT IN KEEPING WITH OUR ZONING ORDINANCE.

WELL, I CERTAINLY UNDERSTAND THAT, THAT POSITION.

I DON'T, I THINK IT'S A FACT.

I MEAN, IT'S NOT A POSITION.

CAN I, CAN I INTERJECT? YES, ABSOLUTELY.

UM, UH, OUR GOAL FOR THESE COTTAGES, UH, UH, JUST I KNOW THEY'RE ALL ENDS WITH REGARD TO SPECIAL USE IS MY UNDERSTANDING.

EVERYTHING COUNTS AS AN END.

BUT FOR THIS CONVERSATION, CABINS ARE THE, THE BUNK BEDS FOR THE KIDS.

SIX OF THOSE THAT BASICALLY HOLD 20 KIDS EACH, BUT ADDITIONAL STAFF FOR SURE TOO, PER SIDE FOR FOUR, FOR THE BUILDING, FOR THE COTTAGES.

UH, I, WE ARE HAPPY TO DO THOSE COTTAGES AT 600, 800 SQUARE FEET.

THAT'S WHAT WE ARE ACTUALLY LOOKING AT AS FAR AS THE PLANS WE'RE LOOKING FOR.

WE JUST WENT HIGH OUT OF THE GATE BECAUSE WE SAID IT'S EASIER TO BACK OFF.

AND I MEAN, WE, IT WAS OUR UNDERSTANDING, RIGHTLY OR WRONGLY, THAT IT WOULD BE EASIER WHEN WE GET TO SPECIFIC PERMITTING TO BUILD, BUILDING A, BUILDING B, BUILDING C, THAT IT'S EASIER TO BUILD A, A 600 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING IF YOU'VE GOTTEN PERMISSION FOR 1800 SQUARE FEET THAN TO COME BACK AND DO.

AND WE, I'VE NEVER DONE THIS BEFORE.

AND SO I I, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE CREATING IT AS WE MOVE FORWARD.

BUT THE GOAL IS NOT TO HAVE 18 THREE BEDROOM HOUSES ON THE PROPERTY.

IT'S TO HAVE GUEST COTTAGES THAT LITERALLY HAVE ROOM TWO BEDROOMS OR THREE BEDROOMS FOR, UH, A FAMILY, ONE FAMILY TO SLEEP IN, UH, OR THREE INDIVIDUALS AND, AND A, A PLACE TO SIT ON THE PORCH IN A, A SMALL AREA.

AND, UH, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT, NOT HOUSES.

SO IF, IF YOU WOULD DO THAT, SO IF YOU HAD, YOU COUNT THE COD, THOSE, THE KIDS THAT'S, UM, 12 ROOMS. SO IF YOU WANTED TO DO THREE BEDROOM COTTAGES, YOU COULD DO FOUR OF 'EM.

'CAUSE THAT EQUALS 24 ROOMS. AND, AND THERE'S NO, IT, IT DOESN'T, UH, THERE'S NO DIFFERENT, WOULD WE NEED EXTRA PERMITS IF WE WANTED MORE COTTAGES THAT, 'CAUSE WE HAVE, WE HAVE BASICALLY 65 ACRES OF LAND.

YOU'VE HAVE TO VARIANCE FOR THAT.

I DON'T KNOW.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS.

WHAT, DID THEY SET THE, THE, UH, 24 ROOMS OR NO, THAT'S WHAT OUR, OUR, UM, SPECIAL USE SAYS IS 24

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ROOMS. OKAY.

AND THEY'RE COUNTING A THREE BEDROOM COTTAGE AS ONE ROOM.

AND THE, THE KIDS' BUNK ROOMS, WHICH IF WE CAN COUNT AS TWO ROOMS, 'CAUSE THERE'S TWO SIDES TO IT, BUT THEY'RE COUNTING THOSE AS ONE ROOM.

SO THEY, AND WHAT THEY HAVE NOW IS PROBABLY APPROXIMATELY 132 ROOMS COMPARED TO WHAT 24 IS ALLOWED IN THE SPECIAL USE.

WELL, DOES THE ROOM, IS THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE AFFECTED WITH ROOMS? 'CAUSE THE CABINS OBVIOUSLY COULD BE ONE CABIN THAT HOLDS 20 KIDS INSTEAD OF TWO CABINS THAT HOLD 10 KIDS.

AND, AND WE WANT, I MEAN, I'M NOT TRYING TO, I'M I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND LIKE HE SAID, HOW TO, HOW TO, TO GET THIS DONE.

BUT WE DO WANT TO HAVE ENOUGH COTTAGES FOR PEOPLE TO COME AND VISIT.

AND WE'RE, I MEAN, IF WE GO TO TWO ROOM COTTAGES THAT ARE 600 SQUARE FEET, DOES THAT MAKE A DIFFERENCE? DOES THAT COUNT AS ONE ROOM? LIKE IT WOULD AT A HOTEL? LIKE IF A HOTEL HAS A GUEST HOUSE THAT, THAT SLEEPS FOUR OR A BEDROOM THAT SLEEPS FOUR, DOES THAT COUNT AS I THINK IT'S THE ROOMS. IT'S NOT THE HOW MANY PEOPLE'S, I MEAN, OKAY.

SO EVEN IF, SO IF WE HAD LIKE A LIVING ROOM WITH TWO BEDROOMS, THAT EVEN COUNTS AS THREE ROOMS. EVEN IF THERE'S NOT, I WOULD, I THINK YOU COULD COUNT THAT AS TWO ROOMS. ALL RIGHT.

BECAUSE THAT WOULD BE MORE OF A SUITE KIND OF SPACE, I WOULD THINK.

WELL, I APPRECIATE YOUR HELP.

I, I, I JUST, WE, WHAT WE DON'T WANT TO, WE'RE, WE'RE, THIS IS A VERY EXPENSIVE PIECE OF PROPERTY AND WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO USE IT YEAR ROUND, NOT JUST AS A SUMMER CAMP.

AND, UM, AND A LOT OF OUR FOLKS AREN'T GONNA WANT COME SLEEP IN THE BUNK BEDS IN OUR CABINS.

AND SO WE WANT TO HAVE GUESTS THAT ARE THERE YEAR ROUND, UH, THAT COME, UH, TO, TO SMALL RETREATS, CHURCH MEETINGS.

WHY A QUESTION OF OF, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S HILARY OR YOU KNOW, THE STUFF, BUT WITH THIS MANY ACRES THEY CAN'T HAVE, THAT'S, I MEAN, IF THEY DIDN'T, IF THEY'RE COMBINING IT, I MEAN, IF THEY KEPT IT SEPARATE PROPERTIES, THEY COULD PROBABLY DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT.

BUT THAT'S NOT OURS TO DECIDE.

THAT'S WHAT THEY PRESENTED US WITH.

WE WERE NE WE WERE NEVER TOLD THAT.

AND WE CAN'T, WE, WE DON'T, WE DON'T OWN THE PROPERTY YET BECAUSE IT'S BA CONTINGENT ON SOME SORT OF ZONING APPROVAL.

SO, UH, PARDON THE PASTOR'S BAD LANGUAGE, BUT WE'RE DANGED IF WE DO, AND DANGED, IF WE DON'T , WE, I'LL JUST INTERJECT WITH THAT.

THERE ARE THREE PROPERTIES CURRENTLY, AND WE HAVE, WE HAVE DISCUSSED, WE HAVE CAMP JUBILEE WAY, THAT'S A, THAT'LL BE A, OUR MAIN STREET IN CAMP RUNNING EAST WEST OR YEAH.

FROM BRICKYARD ROAD.

WE HAVE DISCUSSED INTERNALLY HAVING A CABIN SIDE OF THE PROPERTY PARCEL AND A COTTAGE SIDE.

SO I THINK THAT THE IDEA THERE, I'M LOOKING AT HILLARY COULD BE TWO PARCELS AND 24 ON ONE SIDE AND 24 ON THE OTHER SIDE TO, IF THAT'S PART OF WE NO, I SAID INTERNALLY THIS GROUP, I'M A LITTLE CONFUSED.

IT, IT SEEMS TO ME THAT, THAT YOU SHOULD BE BRINGING SOMETHING THAT WE DECIDE WHETHER IT MEETS ALL THE CRITERIA.

RIGHT.

AND IF IT DOESN'T, WE MAY SAY, WE HAVE AN OBJECTION OF THIS, OR YOU NEED TO CHANGE THIS TO SOMETHING.

BUT WE'RE NOT CONSULTANTS HERE.

I MEAN, WE CAN, WE CAN GIVE ADVICE, BUT WE'RE NOT CONSULTANTS.

SO WHAT ARE WE VOTING ON? WE'RE VOTING ON SOMETHING THAT WE MAY, MAY CHANGE OR, OR, YOU KNOW, OR MAYBE Y'ALL SHOULD GO BACK AND RETHINK IT AND BRING IT BACK.

RETHINK IT.

WE'LL BE MY RIGHT.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'RE VOTING ON.

ARE WE VOTING ON HOW MANY ROOMS? HOW MANY THIS, YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? SO I'M CONFUSED AND I, I DON'T KNOW WHY WE GO ON WITH THIS.

, I MEAN, IN OTHER WORDS, WORK WITH THE STAFF.

I'M NOT, I'M NOT TRYING TO TO STOP YOU AT ALL.

I THINK IT'S A GOOD IDEA.

BUT WHEN IT IS YOUR IDEA, BRING IT TO US AND DECIDE.

TO TALK ABOUT IF WE CAN, WHAT WE COULD DO TO, UM, ADDRESS, UH, MS. FREDERICK'S CONCERNS IN TERMS OF SIZE.

AND, AND WE'RE NOT GOING TO DAMAGE IT.

SO IT NEVER COULD EVER, EVER HAPPEN, YOU KNOW? IN OTHER WORDS, YOU'D HAVE TO CHANGE SOMETHING OR NOT CHANGE SOMETHING AND, YOU KNOW, DOES THAT MAKE SENSE TO YOU GUYS? AM I OFF THE, OFF THE WALL HERE? NO, THAT MAKES A LOT OF SENSE TO ME.

IT DOES.

UM, AND, UM, MR. NIELSEN, WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT ASKING YOU TO DESIGN THE COTTAGES? NO, NO, NO.

WE WE'RE RESPONDING TO COMMENTS THAT WE RECEIVE FROM MS. FREDERICKS RELATIVE TO THE, TO THE COTTAGE.

I MEAN THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT.

THERE'S FOUR CRITERIA FOR THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT.

WE FEEL THAT WE'VE MET THE CRITERIA IN EACH INSTANCE AND, UM, IN, IN TERMS OF A SPECIAL USE PERMIT.

AND I RECOGNIZE THAT THERE'S QUESTIONS ABOUT THE SIZE OF THE ROOMS. UM, AND WE, WE WOULD HAVE TO TALK INTERNALLY.

MR. CHAIRMAN, YOU CAN GIVE US A COUPLE OF MINUTES

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UM, MY, MY EXPERIENCE, IT'S NOT JUST SIZE.

IT'S NUMBER THE NUMBER.

YES, MA'AM.

AND, AND PERHAPS ADJUSTING THE NUMBER BECAUSE INS DO HAVE SUITES AND THEY'RE CONSIDERED ONE ROOM.

AND THE, THE, THE SEAT, THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT CODE SPEAKS TO THE, THE NUMBER OF ROOMS THAT WE CAN HAVE.

BUT WHEN YOU GO TO A RESORT AND YOU RENT THAT, THAT ROOM THAT'S GOT TWO BEDROOMS AND A KITCHENETTE, IT'S AN, IT IS CONSIDERED AN IN-ROOM.

SO HAVING SOME ABILITY TO HAVE A COUPLE OF CABINS THAT MIGHT BE LARGER, AS THE REVEREND SAID.

SO WE COULD PUT 10 CHIL, UH, 10 CHILDREN ON ONE SIDE, 10, 10 CHILDREN IN THE OTHER SIDE OR WITH, WITH RESPECT TO THE COTTAGES SO THAT THERE ARE TWO ROOMS IN A COTTAGE SO THAT TWO COUPLES COULD COME ON A RETREAT OR SOMETHING, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

BECAUSE THAT'S REALLY WHAT THE VISION IS.

WE APPRECIATE VERY MUCH YOUR CONCERN IN TERMS OF THE SIZE AND THE NUMBER OF ROOMS AND WHAT IS IT THAT YOU'RE APPROVING.

BUT I THINK AS, AS MR. KEEFER SAID, IT, IT'S A HOLISTIC, IT'S, IT'S A NONPROFIT, IT'S A, IT'S WHAT, WHAT YOU'RE APPROVING.

YOU'RE NOT APPROVING THE MONTAGE.

YOU'RE NOT APPROVING A FOR-PROFIT OPERATION ON THIS, UM, ON THIS PIECE OF LAND, YOU'RE APPROVING A SPECIAL USE FOR A CHURCH.

AND SO, UH, IF, IF WE COULD, MR. MACK, WE COULD TAKE A COUPLE OF MINUTES OR, UM, WE COULD TAKE A COUPLE MINUTES OR WE COULD KIND OF LIKE JUST THE PLAN FUR UNTIL NEXT, THE FURTHEST THE PLAN.

AND MAYBE YOU CAN PROBABLY GET WITH THE COUNTY AS WELL AND YOU GUYS COULD MEET, AND LET'S REVISIT THIS AND LET'S SEE WHAT IT IS THAT YOU GUYS CAN DO TO KIND OF, FOR LACK OF A BETTER TERM, MAKE IT MORE, A LITTLE BIT MORE APPEALING.

BECAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE YOU JUST COMING FOR THE MAX OF EVERYTHING AS FAR AS NUMBERS HERE.

SO WE APPRECIATE THAT, MR. CHAIRMAN, SIR.

YEAH, WE'RE HAPPY TO DO THAT.

LIKE I SAID, WE'RE, OUR GOAL IS NOT TO CHANGE, UH, LADIES ISLAND, OUR GOAL IS TO BE GOOD NEIGHBORS.

OUR GOAL IS TO BUILD A CAMP AND A RETREAT CENTER.

AND IF, IF THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT PERMITS 24 ROOMS, WE CAN GO BACK AND LOOK AND SEE WHAT THE PARCELS ARE.

AND IF WE DO THE CAMP ON ONE SIDE AND THE CABINS ARE, ARE ONE, AND I MEAN, WE'RE, WE ARE HAPPY TO, I UNDERSTAND THAT WE WANNA FOLLOW THE RULES AND WE WANT TO, WE WANNA BE TEAM PLAYERS.

WE'RE NOT TRYING TO PULL ONE OVER ON ANYBODY.

WE'RE JUST TRYING TO BUILD A, A, A CHRISTIAN SUMMER CAMP WITH A SMALL RETREAT CENTER.

UH, FOR, FOR THE, THE, THE ANGLICAN DIOCESE.

UM, WE, WE HAVE SOME PEOPLE HERE TO SPEAK ON OUR BEHALF.

THAT MAY NOT BE APPROPRIATE AT THIS POINT.

NOT AT THIS POINT.

I THOUGHT I'D TRY.

I THOUGHT I, I THOUGHT I'D TRY ANYWAY.

YEAH, I MEAN, THEY CAME OUT IN THE RAIN.

IT WAS THUNDER OUT THERE, Y'ALL HEARD, HEARD IT.

ESPECIALLY IF WE ARE GOING TO DEFER THIS, MAYBE WE CAN ABSOLUTELY.

OUR NEXT NO, YEAH, NO, WE, NO, I THANK Y'ALL FOR HEARING US AND I'M, I'M, YEAH, WE'RE, WE, WE WANNA BE TEAM PLAYERS AND IF YOU WOULD LIKE FOR US TO DEFER THIS, THEN ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS REQUEST ACCESS AS OPPOSED TO JUST DENYING.

I REQUEST THAT YOU DEFER THIS MR. MACK, CHAIRMAN OF THE Z-B-O-A-I, KEN WELDON FORMALLY REQUEST.

YEAH, NO, WE WANT TO, WE WANT TO BUILD THIS CAMP AND, AND, AND WE THINK THAT IT WOULD BE A BLESSING TO, TO THE PEOPLE OF LADIES ISLAND.

AND THERE ARE LOTS OF PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY THAT WOULD RATHER HAVE A SUMMER CAMP THERE THAN ANOTHER HOUSING DEVELOPMENT WITH OH, THEY'RE, THEY'RE NOT.

ALRIGHT, WELL, SO, SO IT IS THANK YOU REQUEST.

YOU ARE REQUESTING THAT THIS BE DEFERRED.

I REQUEST THAT THIS BE DEFERRED.

AND, UH, AS THE CHAIRMAN, UH, WE WILL HEAR YOU ON OUR NEXT SCHEDULE MEETING, WHICH IS NEXT MONTH, ON THE THIRD, FOURTH THURSDAY.

FOURTH THURSDAY OF NEXT MONTH UNTIL THE FOURTH THURSDAY OF NEXT MONTH.

WE WILL, WE WILL BE BACK AND WE WILL TRY TO HAVE, UH, OUR DUCKS IN A ROW BETTER.

WELL, I THINK WHAT'S GOOD IS WHEN YOU'RE DEFERRED, YOU'RE AT THE F TOP OF THE LIST WHEN YOU COME BACK.

YOU HAD TO WAIT SO LONG.

SO WHAT THAT BEING SAID, WE WILL CLOSE, OPEN AND CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT UNTIL NEXT.

UH, DEFER, DEFER TO PUBLIC COMMENT.

IS THERE ANY, UH, OLD BUSINESS, NEW BUSINESS? DO WE NEED TO VOTE ON GOING? NO, I DON'T THINK SO.