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CLOSED CAPTIONING PROVIDED BY BUFORT COUNTY.
ALL THE MEETING, THE ORDER OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION
[1. Call to Order]
FOR THE TOWN OF HILTON HEAD.AS ALWAYS, WE'LL START WITH THE BUDGET FLAG.
BUDGET FLAG IN UNITED STATES AMERICA, WHICH STANDS ONE NATION UNDER GOD IN ISRAEL.
THANK YOU AND WELCOME EVERYONE.
[3. Adoption of the Agenda]
BUSINESS HERE IS TO ADOPT TODAY'S AGENDA.UM, I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE STAFF.
MAY I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE AGENDA? PLEASE? MOVED.
ALL IN FAVOR, PLEASE? RIGHT HAND.
ANY OPPOSED? I SHOULD HAVE SAID
[4. Approval of the Minutes]
THAT FIRST.UM, NEXT IS THE APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES THEY'VE BEEN SENT TO US IN ADVANCE, AND I ASSUME THAT EVERYONE'S HAD A CHANCE TO TAKE A LOOK AT THEM.
ARE THERE, UH, ANY CORRECTIONS OR ADDITIONS TO THE MINUTES? IF SECOND, MOVE BY COMMISSIONERS.
UM, DO WE HAVE ANY APPEARANCE BY CITIZENS
[5. Appearance by Citizens]
TODAY FOR ITEMS NOT ON THE AGENDA? OKAY.[6. Unfinished Business]
IF, IF NONE, THEN LET'S, UH, GO ON TO OUR, UH, NEW BUSINESS.WE HAVE NO UNFINISHED BUSINESS.
[7. New Business]
OUR NEW BUSINESS IS THE ANNUAL TRAFFIC MONITORING AND EVALUATION REPORT, AND I UNDERSTAND JIM'S GONNA PRESENT THAT TO US.UM, GONNA NEED A LITTLE HELP HERE.
THAT'S, THAT'S A WHOLE DIFFERENT VALID VALUE WORK THERE.
I'M THE, UH, TRANSPORTATION PROGRAM MANAGER.
I TOOK OVER FOR DARREN ABOUT A YEAR AGO, UH, LAST APRIL.
AND, UH, SO I'M HERE TO PRESENT, UH, THE 2023 MONITORING REPORT.
AND, UH, UH, THE 24 1 WILL BE A LITTLE BIT SOONER COMING THAN, UH, THIS ONE, UH, NOW THAT I GOT MY FEET ON THE GROUND AND KNOW WHAT'S EXPECTED.
UH, WE TOOK A, UH, AM PEAK HOUR COUNTS AND PM PEAK HOUR COUNTS.
THE LMO TALKS ABOUT THE PEAK HOUR BEING BETWEEN 7:00 AM AND 9:00 AM AND BETWEEN 4:00 PM AND 6:00 PM FOR THE PM PEAK.
UH, GOT SOME INFORMATION A LITTLE BIT LATER ON TO DISCUSS THAT.
WE ENDED UP TAKING 13 HOUR COUNTS OF OUR INTERSECTIONS THIS YEAR, AND IT, UH, SHOWED SOME, UH, KINDA SOME DIFFERENT RESULTS THAT WE'LL WE'LL TALK ABOUT.
BUT AGAIN, THE ALAMO TALKS ABOUT THOSE PEAK HOURS.
UH, WE'LL TALK ABOUT SOME HISTORICAL TRENDS AND THEN, UH, ONE INTERSECTION WHERE WE HAVE SOME DEFICIENCIES AT, UM,
UM, WE CHANGED THE COUNTS FROM JUNE TO JULY IN, IN THE LMO.
SO AGAIN, WE'RE COMPARING APPLES TO ORANGES A LITTLE BIT THIS YEAR AS COMPARED TO THE LAST, UH, REPORTS THAT WERE DONE.
SO, JUST JUST REALIZE THAT THERE ARE SOME DIFFERENCES BASED ON JUNE COUNT TO A JULY COUNT.
UH, WE DID NOT DO SEA PINE CIRCLE.
WE'VE BEEN COUNTING, UH, BY THE LMO.
IT WAS, UH, ANY ZERO YEAR OR ACTUALLY EVERY FIFTH YEAR.
AND DARREN'S BEEN COUNTING IT KIND OF EVERY EVEN YEAR.
SO WE DID NOT COUNT IT IN 2023.
SO THERE IS NO SEA PINE CIRCLE INFORMATION AS PART OF THIS REPORT.
IT, THERE WILL BE SOME, UH, IN NEXT YEAR'S REPORT.
SO, UM, KINDA SUMMARIZE, THIS IS IN THE REPORT.
THIS IS A SUMMARY OF, UH, AN A MP TOWER.
THIS IS AT, UH, PO POPE AND CARDILLO, UH, JUST KINDA SHOWING ALL THE INFORMATION THAT'S THERE.
UM, THERE ARE SOME, UH, SOME INFORMATION IN THE BOTTOM LEFT HAND BOX, BLACK BOX THERE THAT'S, UH, BEING USED TO DO SOME ENGINEERING CALCULATIONS.
AND IT WAS JUST EASIER TO HAVE IT DONE IN THE SPREADSHEET THAN, UH, TO PUT IT OFF ON THE SIDE.
BUT, UH, THAT KINDA SHOWS WHAT'S GOING ON.
UM, AND SO YOU CAN TAKE A LOOK AT THE AM AND PM PEAKS AT EACH ONE OF THE INTERSECTION AND KINDA SEE A PERCENT CHANGE OVER THE TOTAL AMOUNT, UH, IN
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THE REPORT.UM, APPENDIX A, UM, THIS SHOWS ALL THE 24 HOUR COUNT LOCATIONS.
UH, WE COUNT AT 10 LOCATIONS ACROSS THE ISLAND AND GET 24 HOUR COUNTS.
THESE COUNTS ARE DONE, UH, TYPICALLY ON A TUESDAY, WEDNESDAY, AND THURSDAY.
UH, SO THAT'S WHERE WE'RE GETTING THOSE TRAFFIC VOLUMES.
THE VOLUME COUNTS THAT WE GET FOR THAT AREA TEND TO BE A LITTLE BIT HIGHER THAN WHAT SC DOT REPORTS IN THEIR AVERAGE DAILY TRAFFIC, JUST BECAUSE WE ARE A, A THREE DAY AVERAGE IN THEIR, UH, A YEARLY AVERAGE.
UH, HERE IS OUR BIDIRECTIONAL COUNT, UH, AT ALL THE INTERSECTIONS YOU CAN SEE, UH, COMPARED TO THE PREVIOUS YEAR, WE'RE UP ABOUT, UH, 2.5% OVER 2022.
UM, AND SO WE'RE PRETTY MUCH BACK TO WHERE WE WERE IN 2021.
UH, YOU CAN SEE THOSE VOLUMES ARE JUST ABOUT THE SAME AS WE HAD IN 2021.
AND 2021 WAS THE AVERAGE OR THE HIGHEST AVERAGE COUNT THAT WE EVER HAD HERE ON THE ISLAND.
AGAIN, THOSE WERE JUNE NUMBERS.
THESE ARE JULY NUMBERS, UH, SC DOTS COUNT STATION.
UH, YOU CAN GO ONLINE AND FIND THIS INFORMATION ONLINE.
ACCORDING TO THEM, OUR AVERAGE DAILY TRAFFIC IS 57,900 COMING OVER THE BRIDGE EVERY DAY.
AND, UH, IS THAT ONE WAY OR IS THAT BOTH WAYS? THAT'S BOTH WAYS.
THOSE ARE TWO-WAY TRAFFIC VOLUMES.
UM, THIS IS WHAT'S GOING ON AT OUR PEAK, UH, HOUR SIGNALED INTERSECTIONS, BOTH AM AND PM.
YOU CAN SEE, UH, JUST AS A SUMMARY, WE WERE UP JUST ABOUT 1% IN THE AM HOUR AS COMPARED TO 2022, BUT WE ARE DOWN 4.5% IN THE PM HOUR.
AND AGAIN, THIS IS JUNE COUNT TO JULY COUNT.
UH, SOME OF THAT MIGHT BE SOME SCHOOL TRAFFIC.
UH, WE DID TAKE SOME SCHOOL TRAFFIC COUNTS, UH, AT THE FIRST FIVE OR SIX INTERSECTIONS COMING ONTO THE ISLAND IN SEPTEMBER TO GET A BETTER HANDLE ON THAT, UH, FOR OURSELVES.
UH, BUT AGAIN, SOME OF THAT MIGHT BE THAT DIFFERENCE.
SO THIS IS BEFORE THE SIGNALIZE IMPROVEMENTS CAME INTO PLAY.
SO THESE ARE HAPPENING YES, BEFORE THE ADAPTIVE SIGNAL WAS IN PLACE.
BUT AGAIN, THESE ARE THE NUMBERS, WHETHER THE ADAPTIVE SIGNALS WERE IN PLACE OR NOT, THESE WOULD BE THE VOLUMES THERE.
UM, HERE IS, UH, AGAIN, BECAUSE WE DID A 13 HOUR COUNT, DARREN ALWAYS GAVE YOU INFORMATION BASED ON TWO HOURS IN THE MORNING AND TWO HOURS, UH, IN THE EVENING.
THIS IS A 13 HOUR COUNT FROM 6:00 AM TO 7:00 PM SO, UH, WHAT WE'RE SHOWING HERE IS THE AMOUNT OF P HEADSS AND BICYCLES ON THE BIKE, ON THE PATHS THAT ARE USING THE CROSSWALKS AT THOSE INTERSECTIONS.
SO AGAIN, ABOUT 10 OVER 10,000 BIKES.
10,000 PEDESTRIANS FOR A A 13 HOUR TOTAL OF 20,000 PEOPLE USING OUR CROSSWALKS DURING THAT 13 HOUR.
HOW DO YOU COUNT PEDESTRIANS AND BICYCLES? KIND CARS ARE PRETTY CLEAR.
WHAT, WHAT THE TRAFFIC COUNTERS ARE DONE BY VIDEOTAPE.
AND SO THEY ANALYZE THE VIDEOTAPE AND ABLE TO COUNT BASED ON, UH, THE, THEM BEING CAUGHT ON VIDEO.
OKAY? SO HERE'S ONE OF THE INTERESTING IN INFORMATION, AND YOU KNOW, THE ONE OFF TO, UH, THE LEFT IS MATTHEW'S DRIVE IN FOLLY FIELD.
THE OTHER ONE IS ON POPE IN NEW ORLEANS IN OFFICE PARK.
BUT YOU CAN SEE THAT TRAFFIC BUILDS UP TO ABOUT 11:00 AM AND JUST CONSTANT.
THERE IS NOT THAT MORNING SURGE AND THEN RELAXING OF TRAFFIC AND THEN A PM SURGE.
IT'S MORNING MORE TRAFFIC, TRAFFIC GETS CONSTANT AND IT STAYS THERE TOWARDS THE END OF THE DAY.
SO THIS IS ONE OF THE INTERESTING THINGS THAT, AGAIN, BASED ON THAT 13 HOUR COUNT, YOU KNOW, WE ARE NOT HAVING A LULL.
AND SOME OF THE INFORMATION THAT WE FOUND OUT WAS THAT OUR PEAK HOURS ARE NOT NECESSARILY ON THE PM SIDE BETWEEN FOUR AND SIX.
THE PM IS SOMETIMES A LITTLE BIT EARLIER.
IF YOU LOOK TO THE GRAPH TO THE LEFT ON MATTHEWS FROM THREE TO FOUR WAS THE PM PEAK AT MATTHEWS DRIVE IN WILLIAM HILTON PARKWAY AT 34,000 VEHICLES RATHER THAN, AGAIN, BASED ON THE, UM, LMO FOUR TO 6 33 0 8.
SO, SO AGAIN, JUST SOME, SOME INFORMATION THAT'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT, BUT AGAIN, THAT HELP, THAT 13 HOUR HELPS US DO SOME
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ANALYSIS ON IT.JIM, WOULD YOU MIND REMINDING US OF THE TWO HOURS THAT DARREN USED TO DO IT, THE FOUR HOURS TWO AND TWO BE, BECAUSE THE LMO ACTUALLY STATES THE AM PEAK HOUR WILL BE BETWEEN 7:00 AM AND 9:00 AM AND THE PM PEAK HOUR WILL BE BETWEEN 4:00 PM AND 6:00 PM THAT'S ALL HE USED TO COUNT BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT THE LMO SAYS.
THERESA AND I, BEING NOON, WE THOUGHT WE NEEDED TO HAVE A BETTER FEEL FOR THINGS, ESPECIALLY WITH THE ADAPTIVE TRAFFIC SIGNALS COMING.
SO WE ASKED OUR, OUR BOSSES IF WE COULD COUNT SOME MORE AND THEY SAID YES.
AND SO THAT INFORMATION WAS AVAILABLE AND I, I THINK THAT'S GOOD INFORMATION AND YOU MIGHT SEE A CHANGE LATER ON TO ELIMINATE THAT.
DEFINING WHAT THE PM PEAK IS, AGAIN, YOU GOTTA CUT OFF AT A CERTAIN POINT OR BETWEEN 11 AND NOON WILL ALWAYS BE YOUR AM PEAK HOUR BASED ON THAT INFORMATION.
BUT YOU DON'T, YOU DON'T REALLY SEE ANY, UH, ANY DIFFERENCE IN THE METHODOLOGY THAT MIGHT CAUSE IT.
UH, SWING ONE? NO, JUST THE, THE PURE USERS OF THE SYSTEM.
UM, AGAIN, THIS IS THE HIGHWAY CAPACITY MANUAL.
UM, BOTH OF THEM COME OUTTA THE HIGHWAY CAPACITY MANUAL.
ONE IS THE, UH, VOLUME TO CAPACITY OF THE INTERSECTION.
UH, AND THE OTHER ONE IS THE DELAY.
OUR STANDARD ON THE LMO SAYS IT SHALL BE 55 SECONDS OR LESS.
ALRIGHT? AND SO, UH, THIS IS SHOWING, UH, THAT THIS ACTUAL INTERSECTION AT THIS TIME MET THAT.
THE OTHER IS THE VOLUME TO CAPACITY RATIO.
THIS IS A HAND CALCULATION THAT, UH, IS PERFORMED EVERY YEAR.
THIS IS KIND OF SAYING THIS INTERSECTION CAN HANDLE ABOUT THIS TRAFFIC BASED ON ALL THE GEOMETRICS THAT ARE OUT THERE AND THE TRAFFIC THAT HAS COME TO THAT INTERSECTION.
OUR STANDARD SAYS IT SHALL BE 0.9 OR 90%, UH, CAPACITY.
ANYTHING OVER 90% CAPACITY OF THE INTERSECTION IS NOT MEETING THE GOALS OF THE LMO.
SO WE HAD, UH, IN THE AM PEAK, WE DID NOT HAVE ANY ISSUES WITH EITHER ONE OF THOSE, UH, STANDARDS.
AND AGAIN, THIS IS COMPARING IT, UH, TO LAST YEAR, FIVE YEARS AGO AND 10 YEARS AGO, AGAIN, JULY, COMPARING TO JUNE COUNTS.
BUT, UH, AGAIN, GIVES YOU AN IDEA OF WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE AFTERNOON, PEAK HOUR, UH, TO NO SURPRISE, SQUARE POPE DOES NOT MEET AGAIN.
IT HASN'T MET FOR YEARS AND YEARS AND YEARS.
MY UNDERSTANDING, UH, WE HAD A VOLUME TO CAPACITY ISSUE.
IT'S AT 1.25% OF THE INTERSECTION AND A DELAY OF 230 SECONDS.
SO AGAIN, VERY SIGNIFICANT, UH, ISSUE THERE.
AND A, AGAIN, EVERYBODY SEES THAT, BUT EVERY OTHER PLACE IN THE PM PEAK HOUR DID MEET, UH, BOTH OF THE STANDARDS.
SO WHAT DO WE DO ABOUT SQUARE POPE? WELL, WE NEED TO ADD CAPACITY.
HOW DO YOU ADD CAPACITY? YOU NEED MORE TRAFFIC LANES.
THAT'S TYPICALLY, WE CAN'T DO ANYTHING WITH THE SIGNALS OR TIMING OF THE, UH, OR DOING MINOR IMPROVEMENTS.
WE NEED TO ADD CAPACITY THERE.
AND THE GATEWAY PROJECT DEALING WITH A BRIDGE WILL ADD THAT CAPACITY.
AND OUR FEELING IS IF THEY DO WHAT THEY SAY THEY'RE DOING AS PART OF THAT GATEWAY PROJECT SQUARE POPE WILL BE ALL RIGHT.
UH, BUT THAT'S HOW YOU MITIGATE THAT SITUATION.
UNTIL YOU ADD LANES TO SQUARE POPE, WE'RE GONNA HAVE A PROBLEM.
UM, THIS IS TALKING ABOUT THE REAL COUNT STATION.
WE TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT IT.
SO WE COULD SEE THAT PROBLEM EXISTING FOR SEVERAL MORE YEARS OR MORE.
WE, WE, THAT THAT PROBLEM WILL BE REAL.
THE ADAPTIVE TRAFFIC SIGNAL SYSTEM ISN'T GOING TO SOLVE IT.
UH, IT IS A, IT'S A REAL ISSUE BECAUSE THERE'S NOT ENOUGH CAPACITY, NOT ENOUGH VOLUME IN OF LANES TO GET THE TRAFFIC THAT'S USING THAT THROUGH THERE.
AND SO AGAIN, THERE'S, WHAT YOU'RE SAYING THOUGH IS, IS THE PROPOSED CORRIDOR, THE NEW BRIDGE CORRIDOR, UM, THAT WILL ADD CAPACITY AT THAT INTERSECTION? CORRECT.
THINK THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT WILL SOLVE THE ISSUE IS, IS IT GONNA GO DOWN TO 0.25? NO, BUT IT, BUT IT WILL MEET OUR 55 SECOND AND, UH, 90% CAPACITY REQUIREMENTS.
THAT, THAT, THAT'S OUR ANALYSIS.
OBVIOUSLY IF THEY TWEAK THINGS IN THE PROPOSED PLAN, THAT'S BASED ON WHAT'S PROPOSED RIGHT NOW.
AND I'M, I'M GETTING BEYOND THE SCOPE OF THIS, BUT, UM, SO WITH THE PROPOSED NEW
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CORRIDOR PROJECT THAT'LL FIX THIS INTERSECTION, WILL IT HURT ANY OF THESE OTHER INTERSECTIONS? UH, AGAIN, IN THE AREA THAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT, UH, WITH THE PROJECT AREA THAT GOES TO, IT DOESN'T GO TO GUMTREE GUM, IT GOES TO, UH, SPANISH WELLS AND WILDHORSE.AGAIN, THOSE IN, THEY WILL HAVE CAPACITY.
THERE WILL BE INCREASED CAPACITY AT SQUIRE POPE.
THERE'LL BE INCREASED CAPACITY GOING OFF ISLAND AND COMING ON ISLAND.
AND ALREADY THE SQUIRE POPE, I SHOULD SAY, THE, UM, SPANISH WELLS WILDHORSE INTERSECTION IS CURRENTLY MEETING OUR STANDARDS.
SO TRAFFIC WILL GET THERE A LITTLE BIT FASTER, BUT AGAIN, IT WILL BE ABLE TO HANDLE AND STILL MEET.
YOU MIGHT SEE SOME VOLUME TO CAPACITY GO A LITTLE BIT HIGHER THERE, BUT AGAIN, THERE'S ENOUGH SPACE THERE RIGHT NOW THAT YOU DON'T HAVE TO ADD ANOTHER LANE ON EACH SIDE.
SO THIS IS JUST TALKING ABOUT THE, THE COUNT STATION.
AND THESE ARE SOME OF THE, UH, NUMBERS, UH, THAT ARE ACTUALLY BEING COUNTED COMING ONTO THE ISLAND ABOUT CDOT.
UM, AND I THINK WHAT'S INTERESTING IS WE COUNTED, UM, THE INTERSECTIONS ON JULY 11TH, WHICH WAS A TUESDAY.
THE, UH, 24 HOUR COUNTS AT THOSE 10 LOCATIONS WAS THE, THE 12TH AND THE 13TH ALSO, UM, IF YOU TAKE A LOOK AT THE DAILY COUNTS AND HOW THEY RANK DURING THE 365 DAYS, AND IT'S HARD TO READ ON THE CHART, BUT YOU CAN READ IT BETTER IN, IN THE PLAN DOCUMENT ITSELF.
WEDNESDAY THE 12TH WAS THE 61ST HIGHEST DAY.
AND JULY 13TH, THURSDAY WAS THE 51ST.
SO WHEN WE COUNTED THE INTERSECTIONS, UH, THAT WASN'T IN THAT TOP 70.
AND I DID NOT DO THE CALCULATIONS TO SEE WHERE IT ACTUALLY FELL.
UH, I THOUGHT ABOUT THAT AFTER THE FACT HERE, BUT, UH, BUT JUST TO GIVE YOU SOME CONTEXT OF THAT INTERSECTION COUNT.
UH, AND, UH, YOU KNOW, OUR 24 HOUR COUNTS, I'M SORRY, WHAT INTERSECTION AM I LOOKING AT HERE? LOOKING AT? I DID.
WHAT INTERSECTION ARE WE LOOKING AT HERE? TH THIS, THIS IS THE COUNT STATION AS YOU COME ON THE ISLAND.
SO WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS WE'RE USING THIS TO HELP COMPARE HIGHEST TRAFFIC VOLUME DAYS.
AND AGAIN, THE WEDNESDAY THAT WE COUNTED 24 HOUR COUNTS WAS THE, THE 61ST HIGHEST DAY.
JULY 13TH WAS THE 51ST HIGHEST.
BUT WHEN WE COUNTED THE INTERSECTION, THAT WASN'T IN THAT TOP 70.
AND LIKE I SAID, I JUST DID NOT DO THE CALCULATION TO FIGURE OUT WHERE IT WAS.
BUT I THOUGHT THAT WAS SOME INTERESTING INFORMATION FOR YOU GUYS TO, TO KNOW.
UH, IF YOU TAKE A LOOK AT NATIONAL TRENDS, SOUTH CAROLINA, UH, WAS UP 2.4% OR OUR REGION WAS UP TWO 4.4%.
SO KIND OF RIGHT IN THAT RANGE OF WHAT WAS HAPPENING, UH, YOU KNOW, AREA UP WIDE.
AND THEN TO CONCLUDE, THIS IS THE REPORT THAT SAYS IN THE LMO, UH, WE WILL BE PASSING THIS ON TO THE, UH, TOWN COUNCIL IF THE PLANNING COMMISSION HAS ANY ADDITIONAL THINGS THAT THEY WANT TO PASS ON TO TOWN COUNCIL.
SO HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS.
AND I'M SORRY I DIDN'T TAKE THREE HOURS FOR YOU.
DOES THE FIRE DEPARTMENT GET A COPY OF THIS? THE HIGHWAY DEPARTMENT, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT? WE CAN GIVE 'EM A COPY, BUT IT DOES NOT SPECIFICALLY SAY, UH, TO DO THAT.
QUESTIONS FOR COMMISSIONERS? YEAH, I, I I DON'T KNOW.
THIS IS KIND OF, I GUESS AT TANGENTIAL TO THE REPORT ON SQUIRE, WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT SQUIRE POPE, UM, I'VE NOTICED COMING OFF AND ON THE ISLAND THAT THE SQUIRE POPE LEFT TURN COMING ONTO THE ISLAND IS FLASHING YELLOW A LOT.
SO IS IT, HAS IT BEEN ADJUSTED TO NOT TURN GREEN AND RED AS OFTEN? HAS THERE BEEN SOMETHING GOING ON THERE? BECAUSE PEOPLE HAVE BEEN ASKING ME THAT AND I DON'T HAVE ANY ANSWER TO IT.
SO SPOILER, POPE HAS GOT, UH, SOME, UH, TWO OPERATIONAL THINGS THAT HAPPEN.
YOU HAVE A PROTECTED PHASE AND THAT'S WHEN YOU GET THE GREEN ARROW.
OKAY? AND THEN THERE'S A PHASE THAT SAYS, HEY, IF UH, THERE IS NO TRAFFIC COMING IN EITHER DIRECTION, IT FLASHES YELLOW.
THAT MEANS YOU CAN TURN DURING THE, THE THROUGH MOVEMENTS FOR EACH SIDE.
SOME LOCATIONS WE CALL THAT A PERMISSIVE LEFT.
SOME LOCATIONS ON THE ISLAND HAVE BOTH OF THOSE OPERATIONS AND THERE'S SOME THAT ONLY HAVE THE PROTECTED
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OPERATION.AND IN THE PROTECTED OPERATION, THAT'S WHEN YOU CAN ONLY TURN LEFT DURING THE ARROWS.
AND THERE'S, WHEN, WHEN YOU'RE IN THAT AREA, THERE'S A SEPARATE SIGNAL HEAD FOR THE LEFT TURN THAT LETS YOU KNOW, HEY, LEFT TURN TRAFFIC, YOU'RE RED HERE.
RIGHT? AND SO A AGAIN, YOU HAVE TO, YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT THE SIGNALS.
THERE'S USUALLY A SIGN NEXT TO THAT LEFT HAND TURNING SIGNAL THAT TELLS YOU WHAT'S UP.
DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? SO THAT'S DYNAMIC OR IT'S PROGRAMMED? IT IS PROGRAMMED AND THE ADAPTIVE SIGNAL SYSTEM HELPS PROVIDE JUSTICE SOME, UH, UH, GUIDANCE FOR THAT ALSO.
DO YOU GUYS KEEP TRACK OF HOW OFTEN THAT GETS TRIGGERED INTO THE YELLOW FLASHING VERSUS A REGULAR TURN? DOES YOUR SIGNALING ALLOW THAT KIND OF TRACKING? UH, YES.
WE, WE KNOW WHO IS TURNING LEFT ON YELLOW AND WE KNOW WHAT TIMES A DAY THAT IS HAPPENING.
THAT'S EASY TO GET AT TO SEE THAT KINDA WE CAN, YOU KNOW, SOME, SOME SNAPSHOT.
YEAH, I, I CAN GET THAT INFORMATION.
PEOPLE ARE VERY UPSET ABOUT SQUARE POSTS FOR A LOT OF REASONS, BUT OKAY, THANK YOU.
YEAH, SO THAT, THAT'S, THAT'S THE PROBLEM, CHERYL, THAT PARTICULAR INTERSECTION, COULD YOU GO BACK TO THE, UH, GRAPHIC THAT SHOWS THAT INTERSECTION THERE JUST, UH, RIGHT THERE? 'CAUSE IT'S, AND YOU'VE GOT ANOTHER, ANOTHER CHART THAT SHOWS THE SITUATION WORSENING OVER TIME SO I CAN, AGAIN, IT'S BAD RIGHT NOW.
YEAH, IT'S BEEN BAD FOR, IN TALKING TO DARREN FOR AT LEAST THE LAST 14, 15 YEARS IS, HAS BEEN AN INTERSECTION THAT'S ALWAYS BEEN ON THE REPORT.
AND AGAIN, IT'S A CAPACITY ISSUE.
IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT YOU CAN FIX WITH ADJUSTING THE TRAFFIC SIGNAL STUFF.
YOU, YOU KNOW, WE'VE HEARD LOTS OF STUFF, HEY, LET'S LIMIT LEFT HAND TURNS OR WHATEVER.
THERE IS JUST NOT, YOU CAN DO THAT.
BUT IF YOU DO THAT, IT DOESN'T SOLVE ISSUES.
IT CREATES ISSUES OTHER PLACES IN THE CORRIDOR IF YOU MOVE THOSE LEFT HAND TURNERS FROM HERE.
AND SO AGAIN, THERE'S JUST A LOT OF TRAFFIC THAT MOVING THROUGH HERE AND IT'S GOING FROM FOUR LANES DOWN TO TWO LANES AS YOU GO OFF THE ISLAND.
AND THE PEOPLE THAT ARE DRIVING IT AREN'T NECESSARILY THE MOST COURTEOUS EITHER
IT'S NOT JUST, IT'S NOT JUST A CAPACITY ISSUE IN THIS INTERSECTION, THEN IT'S THE CAPACITY FARTHER DOWNSTREAM TO THE WEST.
THE CAPACITY FARTHER DOWNSTREAM TO THE WEST HAS THAT CAPACITY HAS BEEN, UH, AFFECTED BY THE WINDMILL HARBOR SIGNAL.
SO, SO YOU DON'T HAVE THE PROBLEM, THAT'S NOT A BOTTLENECK COMING ONTO THE ISLANDS JUST GOING OFF THE ISLAND.
SO SQUARE POPE IS ONLY A PROBLEM GOING OFF ISLAND.
WELL AGAIN, THE VOLUME OF TRAFFIC AND THE TIME IT'S COMING OFF ISLAND IS THE ISSUE, RIGHT? ON ISLAND IT'S A LITTLE BIT IN THE AM IT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE STRETCHED OUT.
IT DOESN'T, IT DOESN'T, IT BACKS UP THERE, RIGHT? BUT IT STILL MEETS OUR LMO DEFINITIONS OF WHAT'S ACCEPTABLE.
BUT IT HAPPENS THE INTERSECTIONS ON ALL THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE ISLAND, THE ONLY BAD ONE THAT DOESN'T MEET CODE IS GOING OFF ISLAND.
THE PM AT SQUA POPE, THE PM PEAK HOUR.
AND AGAIN, THAT CALCULATION IS BASED ON ALL THE TRAFFIC THAT'S USING IT.
THE ON ISLAND TRAFFIC, THE OFF ISLAND TRAFFIC, THE TRAFFIC COMING FROM SQUIRE POPE, THERE'S NOT MUCH COMING FROM CHAMBERLAIN OTHER THAN THE PEOPLE THAT WANT TO MAKE A LEFT ONTO SQUARE POPE DO THE LOOP AND TAKE A RIGHT ON CHAMBERLAIN AND THEN COME BACK AROUND SO THEY CAN DRIVE STRAIGHT AND GET THERE A LITTLE BIT FASTER.
JUST AN, JUST AN OBSERVATION, JUST MOVING WEST TOWARD THIS INTERSECTION, YOU'VE GOT THREE LANES AND THEN ONE LANE IS FORCED TO THE RIGHT AND MANY OF THOSE PEOPLE ARE TRYING TO STAY RIGHT AND THEN SKIRT LEFT AT A CERTAIN POINT, WHICH CREATES A SAFETY PROBLEM.
SO I'M JUST, I'M JUST SUGGESTING IT MIGHT BE A TEMPORARY FIX HERE PRIOR TO WAITING ON THE, THE NEW CORRIDOR, WHICH COULD BE 6, 7, 8 YEARS DOWN THE ROAD BEFORE WE SEE THAT IMPROVEMENT, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT IS BEING CONSIDERED OR SHOULD BE CONSIDERED? UM, I, ALL I CAN SAY IS IT'S BEEN TALKED ABOUT AND I DON'T HAVE AN ANSWER OF IF IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN OR, OR WHAT I, IT'S BEEN TALKED ABOUT.
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ISSUE.AND IT, IT'S THE QUESTION OF, YOU KNOW, WHEN DO YOU GET THOSE PEOPLE TO MERGE AND AT WHAT TI AT WHAT POINT IF YOU MOVE THAT MERGE POINT, THAT MERGE POINT GOES DOWN TO WILDHORSE AND SPANISH WELLS, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE THAT SAME ISSUE THERE.
AND SO AGAIN, YOU, YOU MIGHT MOVE THE PROBLEM, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO SOLVE THE PROBLEM.
YOU MIGHT MITIGATE IT A LITTLE BIT LIKE YOU'RE SAYING.
BUT AGAIN, THOSE ARE, THOSE ARE SOME, SOME QUESTIONS AND AGAIN, THAT'S SOME STUFF THAT WE'VE DISCUSSED AT THE STAFF LEVEL AND I DON'T HAVE A GOOD ANSWER, UH, FOR YOU WHETHER THAT'S GONNA HAPPEN OR NOT.
UH, UM, ON THE, IS THERE ANY CAPACITY ON SQUIRE POPE ITSELF THAT WOULD NOT BE PART OF THE BRIDGE PROJECT OR THE CORRIDOR PROJECT THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE? THAT WOULD BE TOWN INFRASTRUCTURE, NOT NECESSARILY PART OF THIS BIG PROJECT, UM, THAT THAT WOULD GO, THAT WOULD EXTEND DOWN SQUIRE POPE ROAD TO WIDEN ANY LANES ON SQUIRE POPE ITSELF? NO.
A AGAIN, WE HAVE NOT, I HAVEN'T BEEN PRIVY TO ANY CONVERSATIONS ABOUT MAKING ANY IMPROVEMENTS DOWN SQUIRE POPE.
BUT WOULD THAT CHANGE ANYTHING? WOULD THAT HELP? NO.
NO, IT, IT'S, UH, THE, THE RIGHT HAND TURNING TRAFFIC IS THE CONTROLLING THING IN THE PMP AT TOWER COMING FROM SQUIRE POPE.
BUT IT'S THOSE RIGHTS BEING ABLE TO GET OUT AND ALLOWING THEM MORE GREEN TIME TO GET OUT.
THAT'S WHY THE DELAY IS REAL BIG.
THERE IS BECAUSE OF A LOT OF THAT DELAY IS ON SQUIRE POPE, BUT IF WE TRY TO FIX THAT, THEN WE'RE PUTTING MORE DELAY ON THE MAIN LINE.
AND SO IT'S THAT BALANCING OF WHO DO YOU INCONVENIENCE.
AND SO THE WAY WE'VE DONE IT WITH THE TRAFFIC SIGNALS IS TO KEEP THE MAIN LINE AS THE PRIORITY AND THE WEIGHTS ARE ON THE SIDE STREETS.
SO KNOWING WHAT, YOU KNOW, GIVE US THE SCOOP.
WHAT'S THE EASIEST WAY OFF THIS ISLAND AT NIGHT? THAT'S MY SECRET.
I THINK COMMISSIONER, I WAS GONNA FOLLOW YOU ONE DAY, THAT'S ALL.
I THINK COMMISSIONER DEZI HAS A GOOD POINT HERE THOUGH THAT, 'CAUSE I ALWAYS GET, AND I'M ONE OF THE POLITE PEOPLE, BELIEVE IT OR NOT, THAT STAYS IN THE TWO LANES ON THE LEFT AND I'M WATCHING ALL THESE PEOPLE GO BY ME ON THE RIGHT AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT I, I'M SURE YOU'RE NOT TIMING CARS IN ANY ONE LANE, YOU'RE TIME TIMING THEM GETTING THROUGH, BUT I'LL BET YOU THESE PEOPLE WOULD BE GETTING THROUGH A LOT FASTER.
OH, TRUST ME, I ON A CAR BY CAR BASIS.
IF WE COULD SOMEHOW DEAL WITH THAT PROBLEM, BUT I DON'T SEE IT.
MY OFFICE LOOKS RIGHT OUT THERE AND THE, AND 'CAUSE MY OFFICE IS RIGHT THERE AT, UH, RIGHT PAST BETWEEN THE TWO WILD HORSES.
AND I, I LOOK AT THAT AND EVERY SINGLE DAY I SEE PEOPLE DRIVING CRAZY, FLYING DOWN THAT RIGHT LANE AND GETTING OVER AT THE LAST MINUTE INSTEAD OF TURNING ON WILDHORSE.
AND I HEAR HORNS HONKING EVERY DAY.
I HEAR TIRES SCREECHING EVERY SINGLE DAY.
MORE OFTEN THAN NOT YOU WILL SEE AT LEAST ONCE OR TWICE A WEEK AN ISSUE OF PEOPLE ALL THE WAY TO THE RIGHT.
WITH THE REAR END ACCIDENT OR YEP.
ANYTHING ELSE I CAN HELP YOU WITH,
UM, JUST TO CONFIRM THE NUMBER OF CARS ON AVERAGE USING THE BRIDGE EITHER COMING ON OR GOING OFF, DID YOU SAY IT WAS LIKE 58,000? IS THAT RIGHT? FIVE FIVE I THINK 59.
58,000 A DAY COMING USING THE BRIDGE BRIDGE.
UM, DO YOU KNOW WHAT THE TRAFFIC COUNT IS FOR I 95 AT, AT GEORGIA? I, I, I COULD FIND THAT OUT, BUT I, I DON'T KNOW THAT OFF MY TOP OF MY HEAD.
AGAIN, THE, THE COUNT STATIONS THAT ON SC DOT'S WEBSITE WOULD HAVE A STATION CLOSE BY THERE AND YOU COULD FIND OUT FROM THERE, BUT I DON'T KNOW OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD.
OTHER QUESTIONS, KAREN, JUST FOR THE RECORD, UM, DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS IN THE PORTAL ON THIS? NO SIR.
UH, DOES THIS NEED ACTION TO GO FORWARD OR, UM, IT'S JUST NEEDS OUR REVIEW
YOU CAN FORWARD AS THE REPORT IS PRESENTED OR ANY SUPPLEMENTARY, UH, RECOMMENDATIONS THAT YOU HAVE COULD ALSO BE ADDED.
LET ME ASK, ARE THERE PUBLIC COMMENTS ON THE REPORT? UH, SEEING NONE THEN, UM, I'D ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO APPROVE.
I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO MOVE THIS ON THE REPORT AS IT STANDS TO.
COUNSEL IS THERE A SECOND? COMMISSIONER
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CAMPBELL? UH, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.I REALLY THINK IT DID HIT THE RIGHT THINGS THAT WE NEEDED TO HEAR TODAY, SO THANK YOU.
[8. Commission Business]
I DON'T THINK WE HAVE ANY UNFINISHED BUSINESS.WE JUST COVERED ANY OTHER COMMISSION BUSINESS THAT NEEDS TO COME BEFORE US.
[10. Staff Reports]
DEVELOPMENTAL PROJECT.YOU'LL RECALL THAT, UM, WE AS THE PLANNING COMMISSION ARE SUPPOSED TO TAKE A LOOK AT THESE WITH WITHOUT ACTION, BUT HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO, UM, TO COMMENT ON THEM.
UH, THE PROJECT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS PROJECT DPR TRIPLE 0 4 6 7 2 0 2 4.
UM, AND YOU GUYS ARE GONNA DO THIS? YEAH.
TROY LYLE, SENIOR PLANNER FOR THE RECORD.
AND I'M SORRY TO SAY MINE'S NOT NEAR AS INTERESTING AS THE LAST ONE THAT CAME UP.
SO WE'RE JUST DOING A LITTLE ADD ON OVER IN, UH, SEA TURTLE MARKETPLACE.
SO STAFF PORT IS TOWN STAFF CONTINUOUSLY LOOKS FOR WAYS TO IMPROVE ITS PROCESSES.
ONE CHANGE IMPLEMENTED BY STAFF FOR THE DEVELOPMENT VIEW PROGRAM IS TO REQUIRE ALL DEVELOPMENT PLAN, PLAN REVIEW APPLICATIONS FOR NEW COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT AND MAJOR SUBDIVISION APPLICATIONS BE SHARED WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
THE APPLICATIONS WILL BE PRESENTED BY STAFF FOR INFORMATION PURPOSES ONLY.
THIS WILL PROVIDE A WAY FOR THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND THE GENERAL PUBLIC TO BE MADE AWARE OF ALL NEW DEVELOPMENT BEING PROPOSED ON HILTON HEAD ISLAND.
THERE IS A NEW DEVELOPMENT PLAN REVIEW APPLICATION READY TO BE SHARED WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION TODAY.
AS YOU MENTIONED, DPR TRIPLE 0 4 6 7 20 24.
WILLIAM HILTON PARKWAY, BUILDING F THAT IS C TURTLE MARKETPLACE.
FOR THOSE THAT AREN'T FAMILIAR WITH FOUR 30, IS ANYBODY NOT FAMILIAR WITH WHERE C TURTLE MARKETPLACE IS? DO WE NEED TO PULL THAT UP ON A MAP? LET SEE.
WOULD YOU REMIND US WHAT, WHAT BUSINESS IS IN THERE NOW THAT YOU'RE EX WHAT? I BELIEVE THIS IS ACTUALLY VACANT.
UH, THIS IS THE BUILDING THAT HAS A BATTALION RESTAURANT.
THIS IS DAVID MCALLISTER FOR THE RECORD.
HE IS THE, UH, PROJECT MANAGER FROM UH, WOODEN PARTNERS ARCHITECT.
YOU ASKED IF, IF WE COULD SEE A BIGGER MAP SO THAT WE KNOW WHERE THIS IS.
LIKE WHERE'S THE ROAD, WHERE'S THE OTHER BUILDINGS? IF YOU HAD THAT, THAT'D BE REALLY HELPFUL.
I DIDN'T SEE IT IN THE PACKAGE.
YEAH, I DON'T THINK IT WAS IN THERE.
IT WAS NOT PERFECT, SO THANK YOU.
SO THIS IS, SO OVER HERE, FOUR 30 IS THE OLD STEINMART BUILDING.
UM, THIS IS GOLF GALAXY ON THE END, PETSMART WEST MARINE.
UM, I BELIEVE THE ONE THAT'S ACTUALLY HIGHLIGHTED IS JERSEY MIKE'S AND ORANGE THEORY.
UH, AND THEN THERE ARE A COUPLE OF OTHER BUSINESSES OVER HERE.
ONE'S A RESTAURANT AND I THINK IT'S SOME OFFICE SPACE, I'M NOT REALLY SURE.
AND THEN PARKER'S, WHICH IS NOT THERE NOW IS ON THE CORNER OF MATTHEW'S AND WILLIAM HILTON PARKWAY HERE.
AND OBVIOUSLY ADJACENT OVER HERE IS THE, UH, AIRPORT AS YOU CAN SEE.
SO WE ARE IN THE AIRPORT OVERLAY.
UH, THIS DOES COME INTO EFFECT THERE.
WE DID GET, OR WE ARE WORKING ON GETTING, UH, SOME APPROVALS FROM THEM.
THERE WAS ONE, A PREVIOUS ONE IN 2016.
WE WANTED TO GET THAT UPDATED FOR THIS ACTUAL PROJECT HERE.
ALRIGHT, SO THE NARRATIVE FOR THIS ONE IS THE OWNERS OF SEA TURTLE MARKETPLACE ARE PROPOSING AN APPROXIMATE 1,125 SQUARE FOOT EDITION ON THE EAST ELEVATION OF EXISTING BUILDING F WHICH IS THE ONE WITH THE, THE, I'M NOT SURE OF THE RESTAURANT THAT'S IN THERE.
GUSTOS, THE RESTAURANT WHERE GUSTOS IS, UH, WHICH IS CALLED BUILDING F AND SUITE 3 0 5.
THE PROPOSED EDITION WILL BE OVER AN EXISTING CONCRETE SLAB RESULTING IN NO CHANGE IN IMPERVIOUS SURFACE FOR THE DEVELOPMENT.
THE PROPOSED CONSTRUCTION LAY DOWN AREA WOULD UTILIZE FIVE PARKING SPACES IN FRONT OF THE
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BUILDING.PROPOSED TREE REMOVALS INCLUDE TWO PALMS THAT WERE PLANTED AS A PART OF THE SHOPPING CENTER REDEVELOPMENT APPROXIMATELY FIVE YEARS AGO.
THE PALMS WERE FILLED, MEASURED AS 12 INCH AND 13 INCH RESPECTIVELY, PALMS AND WILL BE MITIGATED WITH TWO NEW PALMS. THE EXISTING 2 78 BUFFER WILL REMAIN UNDISTURBED AND NEW LANDSCAPING WILL BLEND WITH EXISTING MATERIAL ON SITE.
THE ORIGINAL FAA APPROVAL AS MENTIONED, HAS BEEN INCLUDED IN THE SUBMITTAL AND THE PRO PROPOSED BUILDING ADDITION WILL NOT INCREASE THE BUILDING HEIGHT.
THE EXISTING NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES WILL SATISFY THE LMOS PARKING REQUIREMENTS FOR THE, FOR THE PROPOSED ADDITION.
UH, AND THEN IT ASKS FOR THIS TO REVERT TO THE SUMMARY ON THE SITE PLAN AND STAFF HAS CONFIRMED THAT IT WILL MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE PARKING EVEN WITH THE ADDITIONAL, UH, APPROXIMATELY 1100 SQUARE FEET.
AND THIS IS THE EXISTING CONCRETE PATIO HERE.
AND THIS WILL BE, OR THIS IS A DEMO PLAN WHERE THEY'VE TAKEN OUT THE LANDSCAPING THERE AND THEN THIS IS AN OVERHEAD OF WHAT THE NEW OFFICE SPACE WILL LOOK LIKE.
IT WILL STILL HAVE INGRESS AND EGRESS COMING OUT THAT SIDE OVER THERE WHERE THERE WERE TWO ALREADY GOING OUT TO THE PATIO.
ALRIGHT, ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF OR THE APPLICANT? ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSIONERS? I JUST CURIOUS QUESTION IS THAT, IS THAT THE SERVICE AND EXISTING TENANT OR IS THIS TO, TO, FOR POTENTIAL NEW TENANTS? I GUESS IT'S FOR, UH, IT'S FOR A NEW TENANT.
BUT WE'RE, WE DON'T HAVE TO EITHER TAKE ANY ACTION OR COMMENT ON THIS.
[11. Adjournment]
THERE ANY OTHER BUSINESS TO COME BEFORE THE COMMISSION TODAY? UH, IF NOT, WE STAND ADJOURNED.