May 06, 2024 Planning Commission

[1. CALL TO ORDER]

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6:00 WE ALL PLEASE STAND AND JOIN ME FOR OUR PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE HERE I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED OF AMERICA AND TO EVERYBODY ELSE ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. THANK YOU, DAVID.

OKAY, DOWN TO BUSINESS FOR YOUR PUBLICATIONS NOTE HAS BEEN PUBLISHED FOR THE FREEDOM

[4. APPROVAL OF WORKSHOP AND REGULAR MEETING MINUTES – March 4, 2024]

IS THERE ANY MODIFICATION ACTIONS OR CHANGES ANYONE WISHES TO MAKE IF NOT WITHOUT OBJECTION THE MINUTES ARE APPROVED. THANK YOU.

ALL RIGHT. EXCUSE ME. CAN WE DO SOMETHING ABOUT THIS FILM? IS IT VERBATIM? HERE IT IS ON MY MICROPHONE.

A LOT OF IT A LOT OF FEEDBACK. WHERE'S OUR SOUND ENGINEER? IS THAT ALL RIGHT WITH YOU ALL OUT THERE? CAN YOU HEAR OKAY. ALL RIGHT.

IT'S JUST UP HERE I THINK JUST UP HERE WHEREVER. WELL, WE'RE TRYING TO HOLD IT

[5. APPROVAL OF AGENDA]

I'M GOING TO GO FORWARD NEXT COMES TIME FOR SUSAN COMMENTS ON NON AGENDA ITEMS BUT LET ME JUST GO OVER A FEW REMARKS BEFORE. WE HAVE ANY CITIZEN COMMENTS IF YOU EVER IF YOU WANT TO WE'D LIKE TO SPEAK PLEASE YOUR REQUEST TO SPEAK TO COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT OVER HERE YOU'LL BE ALLOWED 3 MINUTES TO SPEAK THE COMMISSIONERS WILL RESPECTFULLY LISTEN TO YOUR COMMENTS AT THE PODIUM PLEASE CLEARLY STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR OUR RECORDS PLEASE IN TURN BE RESPECTFUL OF THE PUBLIC FORUM THAT YOU ARE IN. THIS PUBLIC MEETING IS RECORDED AND THEREFORE BECOMES A MATTER OF PUBLIC RECORD AS DOES ALL CORRESPONDENCE ON THIS ANY ISSUE DIRECTED TO COUNTY OFFICIALS PLEASE TRY TO AVOID REPEATING COMMENTS IF YOU HAVE THEY'VE ALREADY BEEN OFFERED PLEASE PLACE YOUR CELL PHONES ON SILENT MODE. IF YOU NEED TO SPEAK WITH THE CALLER PLEASE STEP OUTSIDE THE ROOM. AND JUST AS A REMINDER THE PLANNING COMMISSION AN ADVISORY BODY TO COUNTY COUNCIL AND AS SUCH THE PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMENDATIONS ON ANY ISSUE GOES FORWARD COUNTY COUNCIL THROUGH COMMUNITY SERVICES AND LAND USE THEN TO THE COUNTY COUNCIL FOR THE REVIEW AND VOTING TO TERMINATE.

SO THE PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMENDATION IS A STEP THE REVIEW PROCESS AND VOTING DETERMINATION OF COUNTY COUNCIL . I WILL ASK AT THIS TIME IF THERE ARE ANY CITIZEN COMMENTS ON NON AGENDA ITEMS SOMETHING THAT IS NOT ON THE AGENDA SOMEONE WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ABOUT TO THE COMMISSION. OKAY IF NOT WE'LL MOVE ON TO

[7. CONSIDERATION OF AN ORDINANCE AMENDING THE ZONING MAP FOR 4.73 ACRES (R200 019 000 0076 0000) LOCATED AT 26 EUSTIS LANDING ROAD FROM T2 RURAL (T2R) AND T2 RURAL CENTER (T2RC) TO T2 RURAL CENTER (T2RC).]

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SO NUMBER ONE LOOKS AT THE CONSISTENCY WITH AND FURTHERS THE GOALS AND POLICIES OF THE COMPREHENSIVE AND THE PURPOSE OF THE DEVELOPMENT CODE . SO WE WROTE NO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IDENTIFIES THIS PARTICULAR SITE AS RURAL CROSSROADS PLACE TYPE.

THIS MEANS THAT THAT WOULD BE THAT RURAL CROSSROADS PLACE TYPE OVERLAY PROVISION SHOULD BE USED WHEN ZONE IS TO BE OBSERVED. I MEAN WHEN THIS PROPERTY IS UP ZONED THE RURAL CROSSROADS ARE TYPICALLY LOCATED AT INTERSECTION OF TWO OR MORE RURAL CROSSROADS OR ROADS. THEY PROVIDE A AMOUNT OF PEDESTRIAN ORIENTED LOCALLY SERVING RETAIL IN A RURAL CONTEXT AND TRANSITION QUICKLY INTO USES SO THEREFORE ZONING THE ENTIRE PROPERTY T TO R C WOULD EXTEND THE COMMERCIAL CENTER OF THE DISTRICT 425 FEET FURTHER INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD WHICH IS INCOMPATIBLE WITH THIS PLACE TYPE.

SO EVEN IF THE RURAL CROSSROADS PTO WAS TO BE USED. WE WOULD STILL LOOK AT THIS FURTHER AND RECOMMEND THAT THE PARCEL STAY AT STAY AS IS DUE TO THE NECESSITY OF THE QUICK TRANSITION TO AGRICULTURAL USE WHICH IS CURRENTLY PRESENT ALREADY DUE TO THE SPLIT ZONING OF THE PARCEL. THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN ALSO CALLS FOR REVISING THE GROWTH BOUNDARIES BETWEEN THE CITY AND THE COUNTY IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE 2000 2019 LADY'S ISLAND PLAN IN THIS AREA IT RECOMMENDS MOVING THE EASTERN BOUNDARY, MOVING IT TO THE EASTERN BOUNDARY OF THE WALMART SITE SO ANY REZONING IN THIS AREA RESULTING IN MORE COMMERCIALLY ZONED LAND WOULD COUNTER THIS RECOMMENDATION. WE GO TO NUMBER TWO IT IS NOT IN CONFLICT WITH ANY PROVISION OF THE DEVELOPMENT CODE . NUMBER THREE NO THIS REZONING DOES NOT A COMMUNITY NEED FOR NO CHANGES NO CHANGE CONDITIONS REQUIRE THIS REZONING NUMBER FIVE COMPATIBILITY WITH EXISTING PROPOSED USES SURROUNDING THE LAND SO IT IS NOT COMPATIBLE THE PARCELS THAT ARE ZONED TO OUR C NEARBY ARE ALSO SPLIT ZONED ALONG THE FRONT PORTION TO ENSURE THAT RURAL USES ARE CONCENTRATED ALONG SEA ISLAND PARKWAY AND THAT THE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES ARE LOCATED ALONG THE LOCAL ROADS FURTHERING.

THE DEPTH OF T TO OUR C COVERAGE WOULD DISRUPT THE INTENTIONAL DEVELOPMENT PATTERN IN THIS AREA AND CREATE A PRECEDENT FOR THE NEARBY PARCELS.

NUMBER SIX THIS WOULD ADVERSELY AFFECT NEARBY LANDS. COMMERCIAL TRAFFIC COULD SIGNIFICANTLY DISRUPT THE RURAL INTENT OF USE THIS LANDING ROAD ESPECIALLY CONSIDERING THAT THE PARCEL EXTENDS MORE THAN HALFWAY DEEP INTO THE ROAD POTENTIALLY IMPACTING THE QUALITY OF LIFE FOR A SINGLE FAMILY HOMEOWNERS NUMBER SEVEN LOGICAL AND ORDERLY DEVELOPMENT PATTERN NO PIGGYBACKING OFF OF WHAT WE JUST TALKED ABOUT NUMBER EIGHT DISCUSSING WOULD NOT RESULT IN ADVERSE IMPACTS NO BECAUSE ANY DEVELOPMENT ON THE SITE WOULD BE REQUIRED TO ADHERE TO ALL OF THE STANDARDS THAT THE COUNTY HAS NUMBER NINE WOULD RESULT IN DEVELOPMENT THAT IS ADEQUATELY SERVED BY PUBLIC FACILITIES SCHOOLS PARKS SO THIS THIS DEVELOPMENT WOULD NOT AFFECT SCHOOLS AND THE DEVELOPER WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR COVERING ANY REQUIRED OR EXPANSIONS TO WATER AND SEWER CAPACITIES A MOVE DID REACH OUT TO PIVOT JASPER WATER AND THEY STATED THAT THERE ARE NO CONCERNS REGARDING CAPACITY AND SERVICE AT THIS LOCATION.

SO JUST TO WRAP IT ALL UP STEPS RECOMMENDATION IS DENIAL FOR THE REASONS THE ZONING OF THE PARCEL WAS DELIBERATELY DESIGNED TO CONFINE BUSINESSES ALONG SEA ISLAND PARKWAY AND

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I LIVE AT 62 HARDING STREET HERE IN BEAUFORT. I'VE BEEN A RESIDENT OF BEAUFORT COUNTY FOR 23 YEARS AND. WE LIKE IT A LOT DOWN HERE SO MY BUSINESS IS CURRENTLY LOCATED AT DARTMOOR ISLAND MARINA WHERE WE SERVICE YACHTS AND BOATS OF ALL DIFFERENT SIZES BEFORE MOVING TO ST HELENA WE WERE LOCATED ON HILTON HEAD ISLAND. WE HAVE A GOOD REPUTATION. WE WON THE BEST IN HILTON HEAD FOUR OR FIVE TIMES WHICH IS A YEARLY EVENT TAKING FOR THE PUBLIC'S OPINION ON THE TYPE OF SERVICE THAT WE PROVIDE AND HOW WE OUGHT TO DO BUSINESS WITH SO.

WE'RE PROUD OF OUR REPUTATION AND WE WE HAVE A NEED TO EXPAND OUR OPERATION, EXPANDING IT BY HAVING MORE OFFICE SPACE TWO TO WORK WITH AND I BELIEVE THE LOCATION THAT WE'VE SELECTED AND HAVE A PURCHASE AGREEMENT WITH THE WITH THE OWNER IS A GREAT PLACE FOR A NUMBER OF REASONS. I I DISAGREE THAT THERE IS NOT A NEED FOR OUR SERVICE IN AREA WE WE HAVE A THREE MONTH BACKLOG FOR WORK TO GET DONE. MY BIGGEST CHALLENGE IS FINDING TECHNICIANS WHO WANT TO WORK. ANYBODY HAS ANY IDEAS I'LL GIVE YOU MY CELL PHONE NUMBER THE WE THAT THE PROPERTY IS WELL-SUITED BECAUSE IT IS RIGHT ALONG THE MAIN HIGHWAY THERE IS A LIGHT THERE SO IT WOULD NOT CAUSE PROBLEMS WITH PEOPLE COMING IN AND OUT OF THE BUSINESS. WE'RE A BUILDING WITH A SETBACK MAYBE A LITTLE BIT FURTHER BACK THAN WHAT THE GAS STATION IS BUT THAT'S JUST TO ALLOW EASY INGRESS AND EGRESS THE HIGHWAY THERE WE DO NOT PLAN ANY ENTRANCE TO THE TO THE BUSINESS ALONG USE THIS LANDING ROAD THE ONLY CAVEAT THERE MIGHT BE THAT THE FIRE COMPANY MIGHT WANT AN ADDITIONAL ROAD LIKE THEY DO IN MANY BUSINESSES IN CASE OF A FIRE THEY WOULD HAVE THE TO THE GATE SO THE THE THE PROPERTY IS LEVEL IT DOESN'T REQUIRE TAKING DOWN ANY TREES AND THERE'S ALREADY A DRAINAGE THERE BEHIND THE GAS STATION IF WERE TO HAVE A ROAD THERE TO SUIT THE FIRE COMPANY THAT'S THE LOGICAL PLACE IT WOULD BE RIGHT BEHIND THE FENCED IN AREA WHICH IS A DRAINAGE POND.

SO I I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAN ANYBODY ON THE ON THE PANEL HAS OR IF THERE'S SOMEBODY FROM THE PUBLIC THAT HAS QUESTIONS. WE DID SIGN A LETTER ALONG OUR APPLICATION. I AM NOT SURE IF THAT WAS SENT OUT TO ANYBODY THAT WAS INTERESTED BUT WE DO HAVE COPIES HERE IF ANYBODY WOULD LIKE TO SEE ABOUT THE HISTORY OF THE COMPANY. WE'RE A SMALL FAMILY BUSINESS AND WE HAVE BEEN LOOKING FOR A COUPLE OF YEARS FOR A PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT SUIT THE BUSINESS AND IS SOMETHING WE COULD AFFORD A SMALL COMPANY BUSINESS, A SMALL FAMILY BUSINESS.

WE ARE NOT A DEVELOPER. WE DON'T HAVE WE DON'T HAVE DEEP POCKETS BUT WE BELIEVE THAT THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY DO IT WOULD DO THE JOB FOR US AND WE DO SEE A NEED FOR SERVICING AND SOME SHORT TERM PARKING OF BOATS AND RVS WE ARE DEALER FOR RV EQUIPMENT AS WELL AS BOATS AND THERE'S AS YOU KNOW THERE'S A VIEW COUNTY IS A VERY ATTRACTIVE PLACE TO VISIT NOT ONLY YOU'RE A BOATER BUT IF YOU'RE TRAVELING A LOT OF PEOPLE COME THROUGH HERE WITH THEIR RVS. THE NEAREST PLACE THAT I KNOW OF IS 95 TO GET YOUR RV

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YES, MA'AM. I'M A LITTLE CONFUSED ABOUT THE ARMY PORTION.

MM HMM. SO WILL THAT BE? I THINK UNDER THE ORDINANCE IT REQUIRES THAT REPAIRS TO BOATS OR VEHICLES OF ANY KIND. YES.

HAVE TO BE IN A BUILDING. YES, WE DO BECAUSE I DIDN'T SEE THAT IN THE LETTERS THAT I RECEIVED. OH, IS THIS LIKE A BUTLER BUILDING A SHED? THIS THIS IS A BIG THING. YES IT IS IT'S A PREFABRICATED BUILDING AND THE SITE IS PRETTY WELL SUITED TO A 60 BY 100 BUILDING THAT'S 6000 SQUARE FEET ROUGHLY THAT WOULD INCLUDE OUR OFFICE SPACES AND BAYS THAT . THE VEHICLES AND BOATS CAN BE PULLED INTO FOR THE WORK SO THERE WOULDN'T BE ANY NOISE OUTSIDE SO YOU'RE NOT PARKING BOATS ON TRAILERS OR RVS OUTSIDE OF THIS EITHER AFTER THEY'VE BEEN SERVICED OR WHILE PEOPLE ARE AWAY OR BEFORE THEY'RE SERVICED. THEY YES, THEY WOULD BE PARKING WHILE WAITING EITHER FOR PARTS OR YES. SO THERE WOULD BE PARKING THAT WOULD BE BEHIND THE BUILDING. WELL, IT'S THE ONLY GAS STATION FOR EXAMPLE, THERE ARE OFTEN, YOU KNOW, TREE SERVICE LANDSCAPERS UNITS WITH THE YOU KNOW, THE BUCKET TRUCKS AND SO ON OR WHATEVER UP THERE. SO YOU WOULD AND MAYBE THERE ARE FOUR OR FIVE PARKED BEHIND IN THE CEMENTED AREA OF THE GAS STATION. SO YOU WOULD EXPECT THAT YES, THERE WOULD BE SOME ON SITE VISIBLE PARKING THERE. YES.

YEAH. AND WE'RE WELL AWARE OF WHAT WE WOULD NEED TO DO TO CONFORM TO THE REQUIRED AMOUNTS AND WE'RE ALL FOR THAT. WE OPERATE A VERY CLEAN OPERATION. WE ALWAYS DID THAT ON HILTON HEAD ISLAND AND WE DO THAT AT DARTMOOR ISLAND CURRENTLY WE'VE RUN A NEAT AND CLEAN SHOP ORDERLY SERVICE AND ABIDE BY THE RULES. SO ONE OTHER QUICK QUICK QUESTION.

SURE. THE ACCESS IT'S NOT OFF USE TO LANDING.

IT'S ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE GAS STATION. I FORGET HUDSON YES.

IT NOW WOULD BE ON THE MAIN HIGHWAY SEA ISLAND PARKWAY. YES.

21 YES. RIGHT ALONGSIDE OF THE ENTRANCE TO THE GAS STATION DOWN FROM USED AS LAID OUT YES RIGHT. THE GAS STATION THERE'S A SEAFOOD MARKET THERE'S A KITCHEN DESIGNER COMPANY THERE. THERE'S ANOTHER BUSINESS GOING IN NEXT TO IT.

SO THAT'S OUR BUSINESS WOULD BE RIGHT BETWEEN THE OTHER THREE BECAUSE YOU MENTIONED THE LIGHT SO THAT'S NOT AT THE LIGHT. THAT'S ACTUALLY NO THE LIGHT IS THAT USE THIS LANDING ROAD RIGHT BUT BUT YOU'RE IN EGRESS AND INTEREST AND SO ON IS BEYOND THE LIGHT.

YOU WOULDN'T BE DOMINATED THE LIGHT OR CONTROLLED BY THE LIGHT.

THERE'D BE A BUNCH OF CORRECTIONS GOING THERE. YEAH.

AND IS THERE THE GOOD THING ABOUT THAT LIGHT IS IT DOES SLOW DOWN THERE.

SURE. BUT IS THERE YOU KNOW, THIRD LANE YOU KNOW, WE WHO LIVE OUT THERE AND CALL THE SUICIDE IS THERE A THIRD LANE SO THAT YOU CAN PULL OVER AND YOU'RE CUSTOMERS CAN GO TO A CENTER LANE AND PULL LEFT OR IS IT A HARD LEFT? I DON'T REMEMBER THE HONEST WITH YOU I DON'T BELIEVE THERE IS I DON'T THINK THERE IS EITHER I DON'T THINK THE ROUTE BECAUSE IT'S NOT AT THE LIGHT ACTUALLY I MEAN RIGHT YES THE IT WILL BE THE NEXT LOT SAYING IN EGRESS AND SO IS NOT CORRECT THANK YOU I'VE GOT TO JUST YEAH WHEN YOU DO THE MAINTENANCE WORK ON THE BOATS AND YOU WANT TO TEST RUN THE ENGINES WHERE WOULD YOU PERFORM THOSE TESTS THAT BE DONE INSIDE LIKE WE AT IF IT'S IF THEY'RE DONE OUT OF THE WATER THEN PRIMARILY THOSE WOULD BE FOR OUTBOARDS AND WE HAVE SEVERAL LARGE CONTAINERS THAT YOU IN CASE AROUND THE MOTOR SO THAT YOU HAVE WATER FOR THE COOLING AND THEY WOULD BE INSIDE. OKAY. AND THERE IS THERE'S YOU'RE PLANNING ON HAVING SOME TYPE OF NOISE ISSUE CONTAINMENTS WITHIN THE BUILDING ITSELF.

THE BUILDING WILL BE INSULATED OKAY. SO THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY NOISE INSULATION IS JUST FOR HEATING AND COOLING AND WHEN YOU PUT NOISE DAMPENING STUFF THE THAT THAT WILL HAVE A PRETTY SERIOUS DAMPENING EFFECT. YES.

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NOT SURE ABOUT AIR CONDITIONING RIGHT OFF THE BAT THAT WOULD BE IDEAL BUT THAT'S A HUGE EXPENSE. I'M NOT SURE IF WE CAN AIR CONDITIONED THE WHOLE BUILDING TO BEGIN WITH BUT THE OFFICE SPACES WOULD BE SO WOULD ESSENTIALLY BE OPEN BAYS IN THE SUMMER UNLESS IT WAS AIR CONDITIONED YOU HAVE TO WHERE YOU'D BE WORKING ON THAT.

YES SO THERE COULD POSSIBLY BE NOISE ISSUES OUTSIDE OF THE BUILDING THAT COULD BE I WILL SAY THAT WITH THE WITH THE MOTORS SUBMERGED IN WATER LIKE THEY ARE, WHICH IS WHERE THE EXHAUST COMES OUT IN THE WATER THERE'S NOT A GREAT DEAL OF NOISE ABOUT PROBABLY HALF THE DECIBELS OF THE TRUCKS GOING UP AND DOWN THE HIGHWAY. OKAY.

AND WERE YOU ALSO GOING TO BE DOING WORK ON THE RVS AS WELL OR.

YES. YES. OKAY.

SO WHAT WOULD BE SERVICING AND REPAIRS? WHAT TYPE OF NOISE CONTENT WOULD YOU HAVE? WOULD THOSE LESS THAN A TRUCK GOING UP AND DOWN THE HIGHWAY AND THEN ALSO AROUND THIS BUILDING BASED ON THE DEVELOPMENT CODE YOU HAVE TO HAVE A FENCE THAT'S COMPLETELY OPAQUE GOING AROUND THAT PARTICULAR AREA.

SO WITH THE HOUSES THAT ARE IN THAT PARTICULAR AREA OBVIOUSLY MANY OF THEM I RODE OUT THERE RIGHT NOW THERE ARE A COUPLE OF TIMES AND LOOKED DOWN THERE THE HOUSES WOULD ACTUALLY STILL HAVE THEIR WATERFRONT VIEW BUT OF THESE HOMES HAVE THEIR FRONT YOU WOULD NOW BE FACING JUST AN OAK FENCE WITH A LARGE BUILDING BEHIND THAT FENCE. WELL, ACTUALLY I ONLY SAW ONE HOME THERE THAT THAT WOULD APPLY TO AND THEY ARE RIGHT ON THE WATER.

OKAY. THE SEVEN HOMES I RODE OUT TODAY.

OH AND DO THEY FACE SEA ISLAND ? YOU KNOW THEY FACE YOU OH OH YOU OKAY? ALL RIGHT. YES.

THERE ARE SOME ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE OF THE ROAD THAT'S WELL ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE AND THEN ACTUALLY BEHIND THAT PROPERTY THAT ARE THE MARSH ITSELF. OKAY.

RIGHT. I KNOW OF THE ONE HOME BACK THERE.

I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE'S MORE THERE'S A FEW. OKAY.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO YES, ALSO WE PLAN TO LIKE I SAY WE RUN A CLEAN, NEAT OPERATION APPEARANCE IS VERY IMPORTANT TO OUR BUSINESS SO WE'D BE RECEPTIVE TO PUTTING UP SOME ADDITIONAL SHRUBBERY OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT ALONG WITH OUR ALONG WITH OUR SECURITY FENCE WE WANT TO KEEP THE NEIGHBORS HAPPY.

WE WE HAVE WE ARE NEIGHBORS AND WE HAVE NEIGHBORS. WE'VE LEARNED THAT IT'S BEST THAT WE GET ALONG WITH EVERYBODY I GUESS THAT'S ALL I HAVE.

YEAH. YES, SIR. WHAT ABOUT THE WASTE OIL? HOW DO YOU PLAN TO DO THE SAME THING THAT WE DONE FOR THE LAST 23 YEARS? WE HAVE IT HAULED AWAY AND DISPOSED OF THE SAME THING WITH USED BATTERIES WE ARE VERY CONSCIENTIOUS ABOUT HAZARDOUS WASTE AND WE HAVE A SMALL FEE BUILT RIGHT INTO OUR BILLING THAT COVERS REMOVAL OF BATTERIES WASTE OTHER CONTAMINANTS THAT THAT NEED TO BE DISPOSED OF SO WE WOULD NOT BE RELYING ON THE TO PROVIDE THAT SERVICE TO US WE HAVE A COMMERCIAL COMPANY TAKES CARE OF THAT FOR US SO YOU HAVE AN ABOVE GROUND OR UNDERGROUND STORAGE ABOVE GROUND ABOVE GROUND 50 GALLON IT'S PRETTY SMALL THEY COME REGULARLY 50 GALLONS DOESN'T HOLD MUCH WHEN YOU KNOW IT DOESN'T YOU KNOW IT DOESN'T.

THE QUESTIONS I HAVE IN GENERAL I THINK IT WOULD BE FOR STAFF BUT I'LL WAIT UNTIL THIS.

OKAY. I HAVE A QUESTION. YES, SIR.

WELL, CERTAINLY A COMMENT FIRST. I CERTAINLY ARMIES AND BOATS ARE DESTINED FOR COUNTY AS A DESTINATION FOR RV AND FOR BOATS YEAH.

BY THE INDICATION OF YOUR BACKLOG I WOULD IMAGINE THE GROWTH IN VIEW FOR COUNTY THAT IS GOING TO CONTINUE WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS ON THE LIMITS OR CONTROLS FOR A SHORT TERM STORAGE IN PARKING A BOAT FOR REPAIR IN THOSE THREE MONTHS BACKLOG MY THOUGHTS ARE WE LIKE TO KEEP MOVING AS AS MUCH AS WE CAN EVER SINCE COVID NOW THE SUPPLY LINE HAS IMPROVED BUT IT'S NOT UNUSUAL TO HAVE A BOAT SITTING FOR THREE MONTHS WAITING FOR PARTS FROM EUROPE OR ASIA AND. RVS ARE NOT QUITE AS SUSCEPTIBLE TO THE PARTS WAIT THAT THAT BOATS ARE BUT THERE ARE THOSE INSTANCES WHERE THEY COULD BE THERE FOR QUITE A PERIOD OF TIME SO WE DO TEND NOT TO HAVE SHORT TERM RENTALS SO TO SPEAK BOATS OR RV BUT ONLY ONES THAT YOU ARE ACTIVELY IN THE REPAIR STATUS FOR. WELL I DON'T KNOW.

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THERE'S A LOT OF YOU MENTIONED THE GAS STATION WHERE THEY HAVE A PARKING LOT BEHIND IT.

I KNOW THERE'S SEVERAL 45 FOOT TRAILERS IN THERE ON IT ON OCCASION WITH FOR SALE SIGNS ON UP AND WE'RE NOT IN IN HAVING STUFF THERE FOR SALE BUT FAR AS AS FAR AS SHORT TERM PARKING.

YES, THAT WOULD BE PART OF OUR REQUIREMENT TO PROVIDE THE SERVICE TO THE TO THE BONE OWNERS AND SOME RV OWNERS AS WELL. THANK YOU.

THERE ARE NO MORE QUESTIONS ONE QUICK ONE. WHAT'S THE BACKLOG OF BOATS NEEDING REPAIR BOAT ENGINES NEEDING REPAIR AT SHORT TERM RIGHT NOW.

I ASSUME THAT YOUR PROPOSAL WOULD HELP WITH OVERFLOW FROM DOWNTOWN MARINA, IS THAT CORRECT? ABSOLUTELY THERE IS A MIXTURE OF .

THERE IS A MIXTURE. WE ACTUALLY HAVE TWO PRODUCTION BOARDS WE CALL ON THE PRODUCTION BOARD. WE HAVE ONE FOR STORE OWNERS. THOSE ARE THE HOMEOWNERS LIVE ON THE ISLAND THAT HAVE THAT HAVE BOATS EITHER THE MARINA OR IN THE DRY STACK OR ON THEIR DOCKS WHICH ARE WITHIN THE CONFINES OF THE ISLAND AND THEN WE HAVE A NON OWNERS BOARD ARE PEOPLE FROM OUTSIDE OF THE ISLAND AND RIGHT NOW THE MIXTURE IS ABOUT 5050 SO AND BASICALLY WE GET TO THEM AS FAIRLY AS WE CAN BUT PRIMARILY IT'S BASED ON WAITING FOR PARTS AND ALL DEPENDS ON WHERE THE VESSEL WAS BUILT IF IT WAS BUILT IN CHINA, IF IT WAS BUILT IN THERE'S A LOT OF ITALIAN BOATS NOW SO IT DEPENDS A LOT ON WHERE THE PARTS COME FROM AND THEIR AVAILABILITY I THINK YOU SAID IN YOUR LETTER THAT THERE'S NO ROOM FOR EXPANSION OF YOUR OFFERINGS AT DOVER TO US THAT'S CORRECT. WE'RE OUT OF FOOTPRINT.

WE'RE OUT OF FOOTPRINT. SO THERE'S NO MORE UNFORTUNATELY THEY HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO PROCEED AS QUICKLY AS WE HAD HOPED WITH THE BUILDING OUT OF THE MARINA WHICH WAS WHICH WAS DESTROYED. THE MARINA IS AT ABOUT 15% OF WHAT ITS ORIGINAL CAPACITY WAS BEFORE HURRICANE MATTHEW. SO THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN A HUGE HELP WITH OUR CURRENT BUSINESS LOAD. BUT AS YOU KNOW IT TAKES TIME AND YOU HAVE JUMP THROUGH A LOT OF HOOPS TO BUILD A MARINA SO SO YEAH THERE'S THERE'S THERE'S A CURRENT NEED AND I THAT NEED INCREASING LIKE I MENTIONED BECAUSE OF THE BECAUSE OF THE WAY THE COUNTY IS GROWING A LOT OF PEOPLE MOVING TO THE COUNTY. THERE'S A LOT OF CONSTRUCTION GOING ON, NEW HOUSING AND A LOT OF THIS NEW HOUSING. IT IS NOT IT'S IT'S NOT THREE ACRES PER A LOT I WAS LUCKY TO FIND THREE ACRE LOT IN BEAUFORT THAT WE WERE ABLE TO PURCHASE AND IT'S PRETTY MUCH ON MARSH BUT THOSE THOSE PIECES OF LAND ARE GOING AWAY. THEY'RE BEING BOUGHT BY DEVELOPERS THAT HAVE PUT UP MULTIPLE MULTIFAMILY YOU KNOW SO I SEE THE NEED INCREASING FOR OUR SERVICE AS MUCH WITH OUR BEES AS I DID WITH BOATS BECAUSE.

IT'S A GREAT IT'S A GREAT RECREATIONAL AREA. BEAUFORT COUNTY SO BUT WHY CHOOSE A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD TO PUT THIS IN YOU KNOW, WHY ARE YOU COMING TO US TO SELL YOUR BE ENTIRELY COMMERCIAL SO THAT WE HAVE SOME THAT WE HAVE FLEXIBILITY WITH HOW MANY VEHICLES OR BOATS WE HAVE THERE AT ONE TIME WE REALLY CAN'T CONTROL WE REALLY CAN'T CONTROL ALL PHASES OF IT. SO WE NEED WE NEED SOMEPLACE TO YOU KNOW, TO PUT VEHICLES AND

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IT'LL BE PUT BACK ON THEIR TRAILER, BE PUT BACK OUT IN THE YARD AND THEY'LL COME OR IF THEY'RE THERE OR IF THEY ARE A WEEKEND BOATER IT WOULD BE THERE DURING THE WEEK THEY WOULD COME FOR TAKE IT, USE IT, BRING IT BACK. WE WOULD DO WHATEVER REPAIRS AND THEN PARKING FOR THEM. THANK YOU. YES, SIR.

WHEN SOMEBODY BRINGS YOUR BOAT WITH THEM TO GET SERVICE, DO YOU HAVE ANY KIND OF I GUESS STIPULATION THAT THEY NOT A BOAT THAT HAS FIVE GALLON GALLONS OF GASOLINE IN THERE BEING A FIRE HAZARD? YOU KNOW, I MEAN KNOW A BOAT SITTING THERE FOR THREE MONTHS AND THERE'S FIVE GALLONS IN THERE. YOU KNOW, THE THE VAST MAJORITY OF THE BOATS THAT WE WORK ON WHICH ARE OUR TRAILER SIZE WHICH ARE 30 FEET AND UNDER ARE GASOLINE POWERED. SO THEY TANKS WITHIN THE BOAT OR THEY HAVE PORTABLE THAT SIT IN THE VESSEL AND THEY JUST WALK UP TO THE MOTOR WITH A QUICK DISCONNECT.

SO WE'RE VERY WE'RE VERY COGNIZANT OF GASOLINE AND WE DO REQUIRE THAT ANY VESSEL OR RV THAT COMES IN FOR SERVICING BE FULLY INSURED. WE ASK FOR PROOF OF INSURANCE BEFORE THEY BEFORE WE'LL DO ANY WORK ON THEM OR EVEN ALLOW THEM ON THE PROPERTY AND SO WHAT WE WOULD BE DOING THERE WOULD BE NOTHING DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING FOR 23 YEARS AND WE'VE NEVER HAD ONE ACCIDENT AND WE'VE NEVER HAD ONE ISSUE THAT KNOW OF SO PRETTY GOOD. IT'S PRETTY GOOD TRACK RECORD. I THANK YOU.

THANK YOU, MR. TORRENCE. OKAY. MY PLEASURE.

BEFORE WE GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT, I HAVE ONE THAT'S BEEN OFFERED. DID YOU WANT TO ASK A QUESTION OF STAFF. I DO. ME UNDERSTAND SOMETHING TO REFRESH MY MEMORY TO. TR WHAT ARE WE EXPECTING TO YOUR PROPERTY? I MEAN DUE TO ISSUES OF TWO T RC SO I CAN SEE WHAT THAT IS AND THAT WOULD CERTAINLY BELIEVE FIT WHAT THE GENTLEMAN IS ASKING FOR T T TO T R IN I'LL GET THROUGH THESE LETTERS AND NUMBERS APPEARS TO BE MORE RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD AT LEAST THAT'S WHERE YOU UNDERSTAND IT FROM READING THE DESCRIPTION. WHAT DO WE EXPECT OF THE TWO TR? BASICALLY IT'S TOO RURAL AND IT'S PRIMARILY A LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL YOU KNOW A COMBINATION OF AGRICULTURE LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL AND SOME NONRESIDENTIAL USES AND THAT DIFFERS IN WHAT WAY FROM TWO TR IN WELL THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF A LEGACY HERE THAT WE INHERITED THIS IS GOING BACK 20 YEARS THE REASON WE HAVE THE DARK BLUE ZONING IN EARTH I'M SORRY THE DARK GREEN ZONING IN A LIGHT GREEN THE T TO OUR END THESE WERE AREAS THAT PRIOR TO 1999 WHEN WE ADOPTED THE ZONING ORDINANCE AT THAT TIME WERE THERE WERE CLUSTERS OF FIVE ACRE PARCELS OR LESS FIVE OR MORE PARCELS THAT WERE FIVE ACRES OR LESS. AND THE REASON THAT WE DID THAT WAS THE T TWO RURAL ZONING DISADVANTAGES IT'S ONE DWELLING IN FOUR THREE ACRES SO THE SMALLER THE PARCEL YOU HAVE THE MORE OF AN IMPACT IT'S GOING TO HAVE ON A PROPERTY OWNER. THE LARGER YOU GET YOU HAVE MORE SUBDIVISION OPTIONS AND PART OF THAT DARK GREEN ZONING WAS TO GIVE SMALLER PROPERTY A LITTLE MORE FLEXIBILITY. UM, AND SO IT'S A LEGACY THAT WE INHERITED.

WE EVEN TOOK A STEP, YOU KNOW, ABOUT TEN YEARS AGO TO GET RID OF THAT BECAUSE WE BELIEVE THAT IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT CREATES THIS KIND OF PATCHWORK QUILT OF ZONING THAT OUR COUNCIL WAS ADAMANT ON LADIES ISLAND AND THIS IS TECHNICALLY PART OF DAVIS ISLAND TOO TO KEEP THE CURRENT IN PLACE. SO IT'S KIND OF SOMETHING WE INHERITED BUT THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TWO RURAL NEIGHBORHOOD THAT'S ABOUT ONE DWELLING PER ACRE AND THE TWO RURAL IT'S ONE PER THREE ACRES. OKAY YEAH. SO WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF WE WERE TO SAY YES IN THE AND THE BOARD SHOULD GO ALONG WITH RECOMMENDATION WHAT WOULD HAPPEN WITH THAT LIGHT GREEN THAT'S LEFT BETWEEN THE THAT WOULD BE LEFT BETWEEN THE TWO TR C AND THE TWO TR AND I MEAN IT'S SIT THERE FOREVER OR IS YEAH I MEAN THIS THIS IS A

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I KNOW WE HAVEN'T SEEN A LOT OF POLICE TYPE OVERLAY APPLICATIONS SINCE A FAIRLY NEW TOOL IN THE TOOLBOX FORCE BUT THE ONES WE HAVE SEEN BECAUSE OF THAT DESIGNATION THE APPLICANT IS PREPARED WHAT I WOULD CONSIDER A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAILED OF A PLAN HELPS US TO SEE WHERE ACCESS POINTS ARE WERE HARD SURFACE VERSUS OPEN SPACE ETC. IS WAS THAT NOT SOMETHING EXCUSE ME REQUIRED FOR THIS APPLICATION? WELL WE WE TALKED ABOUT THIS CHRIS AND TODAY YOU KNOW THE THE PLACE TYPE OVERLAY IS AN OPTION THIS IS THIS IS IDENTIFIED IN OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AS A RURAL CROSSROADS PLACE TYPE AND SO THE CURRENT ZONING WITH THE MIXTURE OF RURAL ARE T TO RURAL T TO RURAL NEIGHBORHOOD AND TEACHER T TO RURAL CENTER IS ALREADY HAS A PATTERN ZONING THAT WOULD ALREADY NEED THAT OF A RURAL CROSSROADS. WE DON'T BELIEVE THAT YOU KNOW THIS AREA HAS TO BE RE ZONES TO MEET THAT IN THE OTHER ISSUE AND THIS WAS KIND OF A SUBSTANTIVE ISSUE FAR AS IF THIS YOU KNOW CONSIDERING THIS IS A RURAL TYPICALLY THE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT IS CLOSE TO A MAJOR ROAD AND DOESN'T GO DEEP INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THAT'S THIS WOULD INTRODUCE COMMERCIAL USES DEEPER INTO THE USE OF THIS COMMUNITY AND SO THAT WAS ONE OF THE REASONS THAT OUR STAFF REPORT WE RECOMMENDED THAT MOVING FORWARD WITH THIS WITH THIS AMENDMENT THANK YOU. I GUESS THE ONLY OTHER THING I WANTED TO JUST SAY IS A LOT OF THE CONVERSATION I UNDERSTAND THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT THE IMPACT OF THIS REZONING THAT ANY USE THAT IS ALLOWED IN TO CENTER COULD LOCATE ON THIS PROPERTY ONCE IT'S RESUMED.

AND A LOT OF THE ISSUES AS FAR AS WHERE THE BAY DOORS FACE THE TYPE OF SCREENING OF THOSE ARE HANDLED AT YOU KNOW, IF THEY SHOULD BE FORWARD WITH FOR DEVELOPMENT PERMIT SO WE DO A LOT OF STANDARDS THAT ADDRESS THOSE ISSUES AND I DO REALIZE THAT THAT'S THOSE QUESTIONS ARE ASKED TO INFORM ABOUT THE IMPACT IT WOULD HAVE BUT THIS IS A STRAIGHTFORWARD REZONING FROM ONE DISTRICT TO ANOTHER. SO YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THE IMPLICATIONS ANY USE THAT THAT COULD BE PERMITTED IN THAT DISTRICT. WHAT WERE SOME OF THE USES KEY TO OUR CITY IT'S A PRETTY BROAD YOU KNOW, THEY'RE GENERALLY LOW INTENSITY.

THERE'S NOTHING THAN 15,000 SQUARE FEET BUT IT DOES ALLOW RETAIL OFFICE IN SOME INDUSTRIAL SO THAT THAT DISTRICT IS PRETTY BROAD AND WOULD IT PERMITS.

OKAY THANK YOU. RIGHT YEAH. TO FOLLOW ON WHAT JOHN SAID IN STAFF'S REPORT, ONE OF THE ONE OF YOUR COMMENTS WAS THE PRECEDENT THAT THIS FOR GOING DEEPER INTO AREAS AWAY FROM SEA ISLAND PARKWAY AND TO THE POTENTIAL OF REZONING.

SO MY QUESTION IS HOW ARE ON YOUR DOCKET I MEAN IS THIS ONE OF TEN DO YOU THINK IS IT ONE OF 50? I MEAN WHAT'S YOUR NOTION OF HOW IS IT THE FIRST THAT'S SORT OF ONE QUESTION IF YOU GIVE IT SOME CONTEXT AND THE SECOND IS THAT I WENT DOWN THERE THE OTHER DAY AND IT'S VERY SHORT DRIVE FROM SKYLINE PARKWAY TO THE ASPHALT ENDS AT THE END OF YOU USE THIS LANDING ROAD IT MEANS EXTREMELY BEAUTIFUL DOWN THERE AND IT'S A VERY SHORT PIECE OF PROPERTY OR LENGTH OF THE LENGTH OF THE ROAD AND MAYBE 15 HOMES.

I MEAN PERHAPS RESIDENTS CAN, YOU KNOW, ILLUMINATE BUT A 6000 SQUARE FOOT I DON'T KNOW BUILDING TO HOUSE ALL OF THIS ACTIVITY. I DON'T THERE IS ANYTHING THAT A 6000 SQUARE FEET ON THAT ROAD AND PERHAPS AGAIN THE NEIGHBORS CAN YOU HELP ME THAT IT IS GOING TO BE AS WILL BUFFERED AS IT MAY BE IT'S BIG IT WILL STAND OUT AND IT IS A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD SO AGAIN I'M WONDERING HOW MANY OTHER APPLICATIONS HAVE COME FORWARD THAT ASK FOR MORE. AS FOR THE COMMERCIAL POTENTIAL COMING OFF OF SYDNEY PARKWAY INTO A DETOUR NEIGHBORHOOD I MEAN WE DON'T REALLY HAVE A BUNCH OF PARALLEL EXAMPLES YOU KNOW AND BASICALLY THEY WOULD HAVE ALL COME TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION BUT I YOU KNOW I DO REMEMBER THAT AND IS GOING THIS IS ONE OF THE ADVANTAGES OF HAVING INSTITUTIONAL MEMORY OF WAY BACK WHEN THERE IS COMMERCIAL DISTRICT LINES WERE DRAWN IN USE THIS COMMUNITY

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THANK YOU ROB FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS. I HAVE ONE IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO COMMENT IF ANY OF YOU WOULD LIKE TO OFFER COMMENTS AGAIN THE PROCESS TO SEE THE ADMINISTRATIVE SEARCH ASSISTANT OVER THERE ON THE SIDE FILL OUT A FORM.

I HAVE MR. STEVE DUDLEY BOARD MEMBERS MY NAME IS STEVEN DUDLEY.

I LIVE AT 34 EUSTIS LANDING IT WAS MARKED ON THE ON THE MAP THAT WAS PREVIOUSLY SHOWN I'M NOT SPEAKING OR REPRESENTING I HAVE SIGNATURES NAMES AND ADDRESSES OF 24 PEOPLE WHO WOULD BE IMPACTED BY THIS PROJECT MOST OF THEM HAVE PROPERTY THAT'S ACCESSED OFF EUSTIS LANDING ROAD. A FEW OF THEM HAVE THAT'S DIRECTLY ACROSS FROM THE GAS STATION OR WHAT OR THE PROPOSED INTO THIS BUSINESS I DOING THIS IS SURE WE WILL TAKE THAT WE'LL TAKE THAT SURE THAT'LL BE PART OF THE PUBLIC RECORD. OKAY.

THERE ARE A NUMBER OF THESE FOLKS HERE THAT ARE RESIDENTS AND HAVE SIGNED THAT.

JUST TO CLARIFY THAT SMALL PIECE OF OUR YARD TO OUR PROPERTY JUST TOWARD CHALLEN CREEK FROM THE PROPOSED REZONING IS ACTUALLY A RESIDENCE AND THE PERSON WHO OWNS IT IS SITTING IN THE BACK ROW THERE WE BASICALLY SPEAKING AS AN A BUTLER I BASICALLY MIRROR THE COMMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN MADE BY THE PLANNING FOLKS EARLIER THAT REZONE BASICALLY IS INCOMPATIBLE WITH OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. IT CERTAINLY DOES AFFECT THE RURAL CHARACTER OF THE COUNTY WHICH IS IS ONE OF THE TENANTS OF THIS PARTICULAR ZONING.

AND I REITERATE THAT YOU A PLAN PRESENTED NOW IF THE PROPERTY IS RE ZONED DOESN'T MEAN THE FUTURE IS FOREVER. THAT PLAN IT COULD BE MORE ONEROUS AND YOU KNOW AND WE WOULD HAVE LESS CONTROL LESS ABUTTERS FEW THINGS THAT HAVEN'T BEEN BROUGHT UP IS THAT THERE A SEPTIC SYSTEM FOR THAT GAS STATION THAT IS ACTUALLY IN THE PROPOSED ENTRY AREA AND COUNTY ENVIRONMENTAL WOULD HAVE TO ADDRESS THE EXACT LOCATION OF THAT.

THERE ARE FEW FOLKS HERE THAT KNOW MORE SPECIFICALLY I DO NOT BUT IF YOU WISH TO HAVE MORE INFORMATION THEY CAN TO THAT WE LOOK AT IT AT THE OTHER POINT IS THERE IS A SCHOOL ON DISTANT WHICH IS DIRECTLY ACROSS THE ROAD. THERE'S A LOT OF TRAFFIC IN AND OUT OF THERE ARE PARENTS THAT NOT TOO MANY KIDS THAT WALK ANYMORE SO WE HAVE SCHOOL BUSSES, WE HAVE PARENTS THERE CAN BE A LOT OF THERE AND SAFETY IS CERTAINLY A POINT TO TAKEN AND ALSO THE LAST JUST GENERAL POINT IS THAT THIS NEIGHBORHOOD IS A FLOOD ZONE MY HOUSE IS STILTED TO BE FOUR FEET ABOVE THE FLOOD ZONE BUT LOOKING OUT ACROSS OPEN SPACE TO SEE ISLAND PARKWAY I SEE FOUR FEET OF ELEVATION IN THERE SO IT'S POTENTIAL THAT THAT WHOLE PROPERTY COULD BE FLOOD ZONE. WE FEEL THAT YOU KNOW HAVING THIS WOULD WOULD DEGRADE OUR NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE QUALITY OF THE RESIDENTIAL LIFE THAT WE HAVE THERE PROPERTY VALUES COULD BE DEGRADED THERE'S WE'VE ALREADY SPOKEN AND YOUR QUESTIONS HAVE HIGHLIGHTED THAT THERE'S GOT TO BE MORE NOISE DUST SAFETY LIGHTS ODORS FROM WELDING FROM PEDRO HANDLING AND BASICALLY THE PREDOMINANT BREEZE COMES DOWN THAT METAL

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LIKE I SAID, THESE FOLKS ARE ALL RESIDENTS MY WIFE THE WOMAN WHO OWNS 32 YEARS AND THE MAN AND ALL THE OTHER FOLKS THAT WORKING OR COULD NOT BE HERE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THANK YOU, MR. DUDLEY IS KAREN REDFORD REDFORD. GOOD EVENING.

MY NAME IS KAREN RANFORD AND I CURRENTLY OWN 32 YEARS SINCE LANDING IT WAS MY FATHER'S PROPERTY BUILT IT IN THE YEAR 2000 WHEN HE RETIRED PASSED NOVEMBER 17TH.

THE PROPERTY CURRENTLY IS IN PROBATE RIGHT NOW HOWEVER AM THE SOLE OWNER OF THE RESIDENCY IT DOES BACK UP TO THE LAND. I WROTE MOST OF MY NOTES ON THAT PAPER THAT I THINK WAS TO YOU WHEN DAD AND I WOULD SPEND OUR TIME THERE TOGETHER YOU WOULD SEE THE TURKEYS COME OUT AND COME THROUGH THE FIELD THE DEER, THE WILDLIFE. I MEAN IT'S A BEAUTIFUL YOU TALK ABOUT A FENCING GOING UP AN OPAQUE FENCING. YOU KNOW, MY QUESTION IS WOULD THAT HIDE THAT AND THE PIECE OF LAND THERE THE GREEN LAND I DO NOT I DO NOT KNOW WHERE THE PROPERTY LINE IS THERE AND WHAT THAT LITTLE GREEN SPACE THE LIGHT GREEN SPACE REPRESENTS IT THAT'S AREA THAT WOULD STILL BE LEFT FOR WILDLIFE ALSO WHEN THEY TALK ABOUT THE BIRDING OR ARE THEY PLANNING ON USING THE ROAD TO GO DOWN TO THE BOATING OR WILL THEY JUST SIMPLY BE USING THE ROAD COMES IN FROM CYCLING PARKWAY. MOST OF THE BUSINESSES THAT DO HAVE BUSINESSES ON THE SEA ALLEN PARKWAY THEY DO USE AN ENTRANCE IN AND OUT WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE GAS STATION IT DOES HAVE DRIVEWAY ON THE SIDE. SO I JUST IMPLORE IS JUST SUCH A BEAUTIFUL NEIGHBORHOOD AND WE HAVE SO MANY PLACES HERE IN BEAUFORT THAT ARE NOT GREEN ANYMORE. I JUST HATE TO SEE ONE MORE BEAUTIFUL PLACE GONE BUSINESSES BUT I JUST IMPLORE THAT I HOPE THAT IT DOES HAPPEN FOR BUSINESS PURPOSES AND ANY OTHER QUESTIONS THAT I HAVE, I WROTE ON THAT PIECE OF PAPER AND I'M AFRAID WAS DOING THAT AS IS THE SPEAKING WAS GOING ON AND I DO NOT REMEMBER I THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

THANK YOU. OKAY. ANY OTHER COMMENTS? OKAY. IF NOT ONE COMMENT FROM YOU COME BACK UP PLEASE.

YES, MR. TORRANCE? YEAH. DID YOU WANT TO RESPOND TO SOMETHING HERE? YES, MR. MCMILLAN MENTIONED THAT 6000 SQUARE FEET SOUNDED BIG IF YOU I'M NOT SURE IF THIS WAS SUBMITTED BUT BY MAY, YOU KNOW SEEN YEAH WE'VE GOT THAT OH YOU GOT OKAY I BELIEVE IF IF IT'S MEASURED OUT YOU'LL SEE THAT THE GAS STATION HAS ABOUT THAT MUCH LONGER SO IT'S NOT I THINK MY POINT WAS I DON'T THINK ANY BUILDING ON EUSTIS LANDING ROAD IS 6000 SQUARE FEET THAT I WAS JUST TRYING TO ESTABLISH SOME CONTEXT.

OKAY. AND HOW BIG IT WOULD BE RELATIVE TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

OKAY. THIS ISN'T REALLY LABELED HERE BUT THAT BASICALLY BE FACING OF A LONGWOOD HERE. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. THIS IS UP FOR COMMENT BY THE MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION IF THERE I'D LIKE TO DISCUSS AND YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS LIKE TO OFFER JOHN I'M HAPPY TO MAKE A FEW COMMENTS. I GUESS FIRST I WANTED TO LET MR. TORRANCE KNOW I THINK I SPEAK FOR EVERYBODY SITTING UP HERE THAT WE APPRECIATE SMALL BUSINESS INVESTMENT IN YOUR INVESTMENT IN BEAUFORT COUNTY IT SOUNDS LIKE THE BUSINESS THAT YOU'VE BEEN RUNNING GREENTECH SERVICES IS UPSTANDING AND IS DOING ALL THE THINGS RIGHT. PART OF OUR JOB IS STAFF POINTED IS THAT WHEN WE LOOK AT

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AND SO AS PART OF OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THERE WAS A VERY CLEAR CHARACTERISTIC WAS ENVISIONED FOR WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IN TERMS OF FUTURE LAND USE AND DEVELOPMENT WITHIN THAT AREA. AND SO SOMETHING ELSE THAT ADDS A UNIQUE LAYER TO CONSIDERATION IS THAT WE NEED TO LOOK AT WHETHER OR NOT WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED MEETS THOSE CRITERIA AS WELL TOO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY HAD A CLEAR UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT WE HAVE TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION WHEN WE DELIBERATE. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU. ATTORNEY ANYONE JUST BRIEFLY AND I'LL PIGGYBACK ON WHAT JOHN SAID I THINK IT'S VERY IMPORTANT FOR US ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND FOR THE COUNTY TO TO REALIZE THAT IF IF A PRECEDENT IS SET THAT OPENS THE DOOR FOR MANY OTHER PEOPLE TO COME IN AND TRY AND DO THE TYPE OF ZONING THAT'S BEING ASKED FOR.

DON'T GET ME WRONG, MR. TORRANCE I SYMPATHIZE WITH YOU. FIRST OF ALL, I THINK IT'S THIS IS GOING TO SOUND ODD IN A WAY. I THINK IT'S GREAT THAT YOU'RE BACKED UP THREE MONTHS.

THAT MEANS THAT YOU'VE GOT BUSINESS AND YOU'RE TRYING CONTINUE YOUR BUSINESS.

UNFORTUNATELY I THINK SOME OF THESE BUSINESSES THAT WANT TO GO IN IT HAS TO BE THE RIGHT TYPE OF BUSINESS IN THE RIGHT PLACE AND BASED ON WHAT I SAW WHEN I WENT OUT THERE TO LOOK AROUND, WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THE CURRENT RESIDENTS. I KNOW YOU'RE GOING TO SAY YOU YOU WANT TO BE A GOOD NEIGHBOR TO THESE RESIDENTS AND I UNDERSTAND THAT.

I THINK WE ALL TO TRY AND GET ALONG AND BE GOOD NEIGHBORS ONE WAY, SHAPE OR FORM OR ANOTHER.

AND A LOT OF THESE FOLKS HAVE SPENT THEIR ENTIRE LIVES BUILDING THEIR LITTLE SLICE OF AMERICA OUT THERE AND THEY WANT TO PROTECT THAT FOR FOR WHAT IT IS YOU WANT TO BUILD YOUR YOU KNOW, EXPAND YOUR PIECE OF AMERICA WHICH IS THE AMERICAN DREAM TO HAVE THAT BUSINESS AND HELP IT GROW AND UNDERSTAND THOSE RULES WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THE RURAL CROSSROADS OBVIOUSLY THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN TRIES TO HAVE A VISION FORWARD TO MAKE SURE THAT BUSINESSES DON'T OUTPACE THE COMMUNITY. WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE KEEP AS MANY THINGS IN CHECK AS POSSIBLE SO THAT WE DON'T FRUSTRATE THE TAXPAYERS AND THE CURRENT LANDOWNERS LANDOWNERS THAT HOUSES. SO I KNOW FOR ME FOR ONE FROM WHAT I'VE READ AND FROM WHAT I'VE HEARD THIS EVENING I DON'T BELIEVE BE ABLE TO SUPPORT THIS PARTICULAR ZONING AMENDMENT. THANK YOU. OTHERS WELL I'D JUST LIKE TO THROW IN MY COMMENTS I ENDORSE BOTH WHAT MR. HANEY MR. ROSS ADDRESSED.

I THINK IT'S CLEAR THERE'S A DEMONSTRATED NEED FOR REPAIR OF OUR BEACHES AND IMPROVED SERVICES AND STORAGE OF SAME I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE CONTINUING GROWTH THAT'S GOING TO TRANSPIRE AS THIS IS A MUCH NEEDED WITH A LIMITED AREA TO BE DEVELOPED CERTAINLY IT DOESN'T APPEAR TO BE USEFUL TO THE COMMUNITY I WAS OUT ON THE ROAD AND TRAVELED UP AND DOWN IT AND IT IS A BEAUTIFUL AREA AND A COMMERCIAL BUSINESS ATMOSPHERE NOT SUITABLE IN MY OPINION TO THAT COMMUNITY I SUPPORT THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION AS ENDORSE THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND AS WELL THE LADY'S ISLAND PLAN WHICH HAS BEEN STUDIED FOR MANY YEARS ABOUT LIMITATION OF GROWTH AND ABOUT THOUGHTFUL PLANNING OR RURAL DEVELOPMENT AND COMMERCIAL USE. SO I AM NOT TO SUPPORT AT THIS TIME THE REZONING HAS REQUESTED OTHER COMMENTS. IF NOT CAN WE HAVE A MOTION ONE WAY OR THE OTHER TO ADDRESS THIS REZONING REQUEST? I'LL MAKE A MOTION DENIAL OF AN ORDINANCE AMENDING THE ZONING MAP FOR .73 ACRES OR 200 0190000076 QUADS ZERO LOCATED AT 26 YEARS JUST LANDING ROAD FROM TEE TO RURAL INTO TWO RURAL CENTER 2 TO 2 RURAL CENTER TWO TOURS SECOND WE HAVE

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[8. CONSIDERATION OF AN ORDINANCE AMENDING THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT CODE (CDC): DIVISION 6.3 (TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS) TO UPDATE TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS STANDARDS.]

I'M KEVIN SULLIVAN, BEAUFORT COUNTY ENGINEER AND TRANSPORTATION PLANNER.

I'M HERE TONIGHT TO BRING FORWARD THE ADOPTION OF AN UPDATED TIRE ORDINANCE THAT WILL PROVIDE MORE CONSISTENCY TO THE PROCESS TO ENSURE THIS CONSISTENCY AND WE ARE PLACING ON MULTI-JURISDICTIONAL COORDINATION AND A REVISION TO THE T TO T I'S IN ADDITION TO HOW OUR T'S ARE TO BE PREPARED TONIGHT WE HAVE A SLIDE DECK TO AN OVERVIEW OF THE PROPOSED TRAFFIC STUDY ORDINANCE TO THE COMMISSION. WE HAVE OWN CALL CONSULTING TRAFFIC AND YOU HAD AN ENGINEER TONIGHT HER NAME IS JENNIFER BEALL.

SHE CAN FACILITATE US AS WE WALK THROUGH THIS PROPOSED STUDY ORDINANCE.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. SURE.

WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY ON CALL TRAFFIC? THERE'S THERE'S A COUPLE OF WAYS WHERE WE CAN PROCURE SERVICES AS A COUNTY. ONE OF THOSE WAYS ON CALL.

SO BASICALLY SHE SHE'S CALL WORK FOR THE COUNTY. SHE WORKS FOR A CONSULTING COMPANY. WELL SEE SHE ACTUALLY OWNS HER OWN FIRM I YEAH AND SHE'S CONTRACTED SHE'S CONTRACTED WITH THE COUNTY SO BEFORE A TAXPAYER COMES UP I HAVE A QUESTION GENERAL QUESTION SURE. HAS THIS PROPOSAL REVIEWED WITH THE MUNICIPALITIES BOTH WITHIN BOTH COUNTY AND THOSE THAT MIGHT BE FOR A COUNTY LIKE HARTSVILLE OR RIDGE LANE OR EVEN JASPER COUNTY? TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION THAT IS A YES IT HAS BEEN REVIEWED BY THEM. OKAY. YEAH, SURE SO YES, THIS HAS BEEN PRESENTED TO THE LAST POLICY COMMITTEE AND THEN ALSO A WORKING GROUP WAS CREATED WITH THE LAT LAST SOLUTIONS THAT ARE MPO ARE METROPOLITAN.

OKAY OF COURSE YOU GUYS THAT WELL SO WE PRESENT IT TO THE LOTS COMMITTEE LAST FALL AND THEN WE'VE CREATED A WORKING THERE'S BEEN WORKING GROUP WITH ALL THE JURISDICTIONS SO BEFORE PORT ROLL HILL HEAD HARRISVILLE JASPER COUNTY AND OF COURSE COUNTY AND WE'VE HAD IT AT THE STAFF WE HAD AT THE POLICY LEVEL FOR THE POLICY COMMITTEE AND THAT'S ALSO BEEN PRESENTED AT THE WE'VE BEEN WITH THE ACTUAL WORDING AND AND THE MUNICIPALITIES A NUMBER OF THEM ARE GOING THROUGH THE SAME PROCESS OF OF OF WORKING THROUGH ADOPTING THIS THIS THIS PLAN THE COUPLE THEM ARE HAVE YOU HAVE TWEAKED THE LANGUAGE A LITTLE BIT AND ARE GOING A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT DIRECTION BUT THE NEED AND FROM THE POLICY AND AT THE STAFF LEVEL OF HAVING A COMPREHENSIVE KIND OF LOOK HOW WE DO TRAFFIC STUDIES A LITTLE MORE CONSISTENT CONSIDER CONSISTENTLY IN THE REGION IS WHAT KIND OF PROCESS SUPPORT WAS A FAIR TO SAY THIS IS A COUNTRY REGIONAL PLAN THAT'S BEING IMPLEMENTED OR WOULD BE IMPLEMENTED YEAH MANY MANY OF THE MUNICIPALITIES AND NOT AND NOT ALL OF THEM BUT YES MANY ARE ADOPTING THIS KIND OF PROCEDURE FOR MOVING FORWARD OF HAVING THE THE TRAFFIC STUDIES PERFORMED FOR THE COUNTY VERSUS FOR A DEVELOPER DIRECTLY.

SO THE TRAFFIC CONSULTANTS IF YOU READ THE THE LANGUAGE THOSE TRAFFIC CONSULTANTS WOULD WORK DIRECTLY FOR THE COUNTY AND IN THE COUNTY IT WOULD BE THE CLIENT VERSUS A DEVELOPER BEING CLIENT. THIS IS A MODEL THAT'S BEEN DONE IN THE CHARLESTON AREA AND THROUGHOUT THE STATE. IT'S STARTING TO HAZARD MORE AND MORE JURISDICTIONS THIS DIRECTION SO THAT THE TRAVESTIES ARE ACTUALLY DONE FOR THE MUNICIPALITY OR THE COUNTY. THANK YOU INJURY TO KIND OF GO THROUGH AN OVERVIEW.

OKAY. YEAH. SO JUST THIS KIND OF THESE NEXT COUPLE OF SLIDES JUST KIND OF KIND OF WALK THROUGH THIS SOME OF THIS PROCESS.

ROB I GET THE NEXT SLIDE AS KEVIN SAID, WE'RE LOOKING AT KIND OF HAVING A CONSISTENCY THE TRAFFIC STUDIES AND WHAT IS INCLUDED IN THEM. FOR EXAMPLE LIKE AN APPROVED DEVELOPMENT STANDPOINT WHAT WHAT TRANSPORTATION IMPROVEMENTS ARE BEING DONE BY BY OTHER DEVELOPERS AND REALLY KIND OF CREATE A COMPREHENSIVE DATABASE THAT ALL THE

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BUT BASICALLY YOU START WITH THE KICKOFF MEETING. THE DEVELOPER WOULD MEET WITH THE COUNTY AND THEN THE CONSULTANT WOULD BE ASSIGNED FROM THE ON CALL VON CALL LIST AND BASICALLY HAVE THE MEETING WITH THE COUNTY STAFF AND THEN YOU WOULD HAVE DOTTIE.

DOTTIE IS OF COURSE INVOLVED IN A LOT OF OUR TRAFFIC STUDIES THESE DAYS BECAUSE THEY OWN A NUMBER OF THE ROADS AND SO WE'VE GOT COORDINATION WITH THE DOTTIE THAT WOULD ALSO OCCUR AND THEN WE DO A TASK WORK ORDER THAT TASK WORK ORDER WOULD BE GIVEN TO THE COUNTY STAFF THEN THE COUNTY STAFF WOULD THE DEVELOPER WOULD PAY THE COUNTY AND THEN THE COUNTY WOULD ENGAGE THE CONSULTANT TO PERFORM THE TRAFFIC STUDY. THE TRAFFIC STUDY THEN WOULD GO BACK TO THE COUNTY FOR REVIEW FOR REVIEW AND THEN THE APPLICANT OR DEVELOPER FOR REVIEW AS WELL AND SO THAT'S KIND OF HOW YOU KIND OF WOULD WORK THROUGH THE PROCESS OF A TRAFFIC SUBMITTAL. NEXT SLIDE WHAT THIS ALSO DOES IS UPDATE THE ORDINANCE LANGUAGE TO GET IT IN LINE WITH WHAT A LOT OF THE DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION STANDARDS ARE SO WE WOULD TRAFFIC STUDIES AT THERE'S A SERIES OF THERE'S A THERE'S A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT THAT YOU WOULD DO THAT WOULD TRIGGER A TRAFFIC STUDY BUT ESSENTIALLY YOU WOULD HAVE 100 PEAK HOUR TRIPS. WE LOOK AT THE MORNING THAT 7 TO 9 IN THE MORNING 4 TO 6 IN THE AFTERNOON TIME PERIODS, YOU KNOW IF THERE'S SPECIAL USES SCHOOLS, CHURCHES OR IF ON THE COAST HILTON HEAD, YOU KNOW, THERE MAY BE OTHER TIME PERIODS BUT THOSE GOING TO BE THAT AND PEAK HOURS IS WHAT'S IN THERE. SO THE ORDINANCE ACTUALLY WHEN YOU GUYS READ THROUGH IT KIND OF GETS INTO DETAILS OF LIKE WHAT IS ACTUALLY INCLUDED IN A TRAFFIC STUDY.

I ASK A QUICK QUESTION. SURE. 100 PEAK HOURS PREVIOUSLY WAS 50. WHY WHY WHY IT WHY DID YOU BECOME MORE LAX AND BEFORE YOU KNEW IT TRIGGERS IT TO REQUIREMENT SO IT DID LOOK AT 50 BUT WITH THE DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION DOES LOOK AT 100 TRIPS AND THAT'S TOTAL TRIPS AND I BELIEVE THE 50 WAS LOOKING AT MORE I THINK A DIRECTIONAL PEAK. AND SO THIS IS ACTUALLY YOUR TOTAL FOR 100 BUT IT DOES PUT YOU IN LINE IT DOES PUT IT IN LINE WITH.

THE TRAFFIC WITH THE WITH THE SOUTH CAROLINA TRAFFIC ORDINANCE DRIVER WHAT WE REQUIRE FOR SOUTH KOREAN DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION AND THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT YOU THAT THE COUNTY CAN'T ASK FOR A DIFFERENT TYPE OF STUDY LOOKING AT LIKE A DRIVEWAY IF IT'S LESS THAN 100 TRIPS BUT THIS IS THAT THAT WHEN YOU LOOK AT THIS LIKE TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS WE LOOKED AT THE EXTERNAL THE EXTERNAL INTERSECTIONS AS WELL .

SO THERE IS IF IT'S UNDER 100 TRIPS IT COULD ALSO A DIFFERENT TYPE STUDY COULD BE REQUIRED.

YEAH, THERE'S A FAIRLY LARGE DIFFERENCE IN WHAT WE WOULD AT 100 TRIPS HERE IN COUNTY PARTICULARLY AROUND THIS NEIGHBORHOOD NOW AND WHAT YOU MIGHT SEE IN HAMPTON OR CLINTON OR SOMEWHERE ELSE IT'S MUCH MORE RURAL IF SOMEONE WERE TO GO IN THERE SO SO THE FLEXIBLE BILITY I THINK IS THE KEY BUT IF IT'S OUTLINED HERE AT 100 IS THAT LIKE YOU SAID THAT'S A SET NUMBER WHERE IS SAID RIGHT. WHERE IS THAT WHERE WAS THAT WRITTEN? IT SAYS IT CAN BE ADJUSTED. IN OTHER WORDS, IS IT CONSTANTLY SET AT 100 OR COULD IT BE 50 FOR A CERTAIN AREA LIKE TAKE RIGHT OUT HERE ON REBEL ROAD? SAY FOR INSTANCE SOMEONE WANTED TO BUILD A DEVELOPMENT OVER HERE AND IT ALLOWED BY ZONING CODE 100 MIGHT BE WORTHWHILE TO LOOK AT BUT IF IT'S FURTHER OUT BY THE AIR STATION.

100 IS NOT GOING TO MEET THE NUMBERS THAT YOU KNOW MIGHT FIND THE NEED FOR MORE TRAFFIC SIGNALS OR ALONG THOSE LINES. I'M NOT SURE IF I'M MAKING MYSELF CLEAR OR NOT.

I JUST I'M NOT SURE WHY WE HAD TO GO UP TO 100 JUST BECAUSE NCDOT SAID IT NOW HAS TO BE 100 AND WE NEED TO GET IN LINE WITH THEM NOT EVERYTHING IS THE SAME COLOR, NOT EVERYTHING IS THE SAME. THE TRAFFIC IN ALL AREAS OF THE STATE SO AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN TAKE AS A COMMENT FROM FROM THAT YOU WOULD LIKE IT IF THAT'S WHAT YOUR RECOMMENDATION AT THE AT THE AT THE END THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT AT IS THE DIRECTION THAT YOU GUYS WANT TO GO THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE CAN WE CAN LOOK INTO AND IN DISCUSSIONS WITH STAFF AND KIND OF WHAT WE WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT AND WHAT WE'VE SEEN FROM STUDIES IN THE AREA WE FELT THAT THAT WAS WE AS STAFF YOU KNOW FELT THAT

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SO I'M YOU KNOW AND I SAY THAT TO SAY THIS THE THRESHOLD WE ARE PROPOSING IT TO GO TO 100 BUT WE WE'RE NOT SAYING THAT WE WILL BACK OFF OUR JOB AS PUBLIC STEWARDS WITH RESPECT TO TAKING CARE OF THE COMMUNITY SAYING I THINK THAT IS IMPORTANT AND IT'S INTERESTING YOU SAY IT BECAUSE I TRIED TO DO SOME RESEARCH ON THIS AND I EVEN TRIED TO LOOK AT THE INSTITUTE OF TRANSPORTATION ENGINEERS GENERATION 11TH EDITION AND THAT'S A $700 A YEAR FEE OR WHATEVER IT IS AND I KNOW YOU GUYS HAVE ACCESS TO IT BUT TO US AS A PLANNERS AND COMMISSIONERS WE HAVE NO IDEA HOW THESE FORMULAS EXTRACTED FROM THAT OR WHAT WOULD ACTUALLY GO IN SO THAT WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO HAVE A BETTER IDEA WHEN SOMETHING'S PRESENTED TO US. DON'T GET ME YOU CAN COME IN AND SAY OKAY WE'VE ADJUSTED THIS TO 70 AND I KNOW I'VE SEEN THEM BEFORE WHERE THE FORMULAS OUT THERE AND IT'S A LOT OF YOU KNOW CIRCLES AND AREAS AND PARAGRAPHS BUT A LOT OF IT JUST DOESN'T REALLY MAKE SENSE.

SO WE WOULD PROBABLY WANT SOMETHING MAYBE LITTLE MORE YOU KNOW JOHN'S PROBABLY LEFT AND BECAUSE I'M YOU KNOW I'M AN IDIOT SO IT'S SOMETHING THAT I WOULD BE MORE SOMETHING THAT WOULD ALLOW US A LITTLE BIT BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF HOW THAT TRAFFIC ANALYSIS NO I THINK I CAN SAY FOR ALL OF US WE'RE NOT TRAFFIC ENGINEERS. WE DON'T WANT TO BE TRAFFIC ENGINEERS BUT WE DO WANT TO BE ABLE TO UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, RIGHT? YEAH. RIGHT. I THINK THAT WHAT I'D RATHER SEE IN PRINT IS SOMETHING MORE RESTRICTIVE LIKE THE 50 METERS THAT WE CAN WAVE OR OUR OR OUR STAFF CAN COME BACK AND SAY THAT 50 IS REALLY NOT APPROPRIATE, THAT WE THINK THAT OR 100 IS MORE APPROPRIATE FOR THIS SITUATION AT LEAST WE HAVE THAT NUMBER TO START WITH OVER THE 50 WAVE. YEAH IF YOU COME IN AT 100 THEN ALL THOSE THINGS BELOW IT EVEN THOUGH THE INTENT IS WORK AT YOU CAN YEAH AND I'M GLAD YOU MENTIONED EDUCATION BECAUSE I USED TO BE INVOLVED IN EDUCATION AND IT'S ALMOST LIKE HEY LET'S DUMB THIS DOWN AND THAT'S YOU KNOW I'M TIRED OF DUMBING DOWN SOCIETY SO YOU KNOW I'D LIKE TO SEE THE 50 BACK IN THERE AND HARD WORKING WITH YOU KNOW THAT YEAH. WITH SOME INDICATION OF FLEXIBILITY DEPENDING ON THE CIRCUMSTANCE AND REVIEW AND FURTHER REVIEW THAT MIGHT BE REQUIRED TO MAKE POSSIBLE I MEAN I THINK ABOUT OUR MAJOR CORRIDORS THE ONE SEVENTIES AND SO ON YOU KNOW 50 YEARS MIGHT BE TOO MUCH FOR A LITTLE STRIP MALL THAT WANTS TO SUDDENLY APPEAR ON SOMEWHERE ON HIGHWAY 7170 AND EVERY PIECE OF LAND BETWEEN TO 78 AND SNAKE ROAD IS PRETTY MUCH UP FOR GRABS AND SO A LOT GOING ON AND THAT'S AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN WE CAN TAKE BACK AND AND DISCUSS WITH WITH STAFF AND YOU KNOW, GET THEIR GET THEIR THOUGHTS AS WELL. REMEMBER IT IS 50 TOTAL SO IT'S 25 IN IN AN HOUR OR 25 OUT OF IT'S GOT A 5050 SPLIT BUT I DON'T THINK WE JUST COOKIE CUT IT AND SAY YES THIS IS WHAT IT'S GOING TO BE AT 100 PARTICULARLY IN DIFFERENT AREAS THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY.

I THINK WE'RE ALL ONE IS WE'D LIKE TO SEE A LITTLE BIT MORE FLEXIBILITY INSTEAD OF A HARD AND FAST NUMBER AND A BETTER IDEA OF HOW THE FORMULA IS DERIVED ON, WHAT THE ENGINEERS HAVE DECIDED THAT IT NEEDS TO BE. SO I'LL TAKE A LITTLE SIDE SIDE NOTE TO YOUR QUESTION ABOUT HOW THAT'S DEVELOPED SO THE INSTITUTE OF TRANSPORTATION ENGINEERS THEY HAVE YES THE BIG 700 PAGES VERY, VERY, VERY LARGE GROUP AND WE CONTINUE TO ADD USERS AS IT GOES ON BUT BASICALLY THOSE ARE TABLES IN AND BASED ON EMPIRICAL DATA AT ACTUAL LOCATIONS. SO YOU'VE GOT LIKE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES EXAMPLE THAT'S ACTUAL DEVELOPMENTS WHERE THEY'VE COUNTED WHAT IT IS AND WHAT THE INS AND ARE AND DEVELOPED EITHER RATES OR EQUATIONS OR BOTH ON WHAT THEY EXPECT FOR IF YOU HAVE A 100

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BUT WE CAN DEFINITELY TAKE BACK THE COMMENT ON THE ON THE USES .

I MEAN IT'S JUST GOING TO BE IT WILL JUST BE MORE TRAFFIC STUDIES BECAUSE MORE WHICH IS FINE. YOU KNOW THE MORE TRAFFIC STUDIES BECAUSE MORE MORE DEVELOPMENTS WILL TRIGGER THAT 50 TRIPS I MEAN JUST THAT THAT WOULD BE THE ONLY THING THAT I COULD SEE THAT WOULD I THOUGHT YOU SAID EARLIER THAT THE 100 PEAK HOUR TRIPS IS BOTH WAYS AND THE 51 WAY. NO THAT WAS JUST I THINK OF THE FOUR SO THIS IS THE ORDINANCE OF THIS WAY THAT WE HAVE A WRITTEN NOW THAT AS A TOLL THE 100 IS A TOTAL A TOTAL TRIP THAT'S IN AND OUT SO LIKE IF YOU HAVE A IF YOU HAVE A A RETAIL DEVELOPMENT YOU WOULD HAVE 50 THAT IT WOULD BE TRIGGERED YOU THAT 50 TRIPS AND 50 TRIPS OUT THAT EQUALS 100 AND SO THAT WOULD BE WHAT YOUR TRAFFIC AND THAT'S AM OR PM EITHER PEAK HOUR IS FINE A NUMBER AND I'D HAVE TO DO EXACTLY THE WORDING OF THE PREVIOUS ORDINANCE A LOT OF THE PREVIOUS OLDER ORDINANCES JUST LOOKED AT A DIRECTION SO TRY TO HIT THAT 50 IN ONE DIRECTION IS ONE FOR SIX OR EIGHT IT'S ONE OF THE PEAK HOURS ONE HOUR BETWEEN FOUR AND SIX IN THE AFTERNOON AND THEN A M IS ONE HOUR BETWEEN SEVEN AND NINE IN THE MORNING WOULD IT BE OR WAS GOING TO SAY OUR CURRENT ORDINANCE OR ANY DEVELOPMENT THAT WOULD GENERATE MORE THAN 50 OR PEAK HOUR AS DETERMINED BY THE COUNTY TRAFFIC ENGINEER SHALL REQUIRE THE TIME.

RIGHT. OKAY. SO IT'S 50 TOTAL.

YEAH. OKAY. WOULD IT BE HELPFUL TO HAVE A DEFINITION OF THESE THINGS IN THE ORDINANCE? RIGHT.

100 PEAK HOURS IS ONE HOUR HERE, 2 HOURS THERE 100 NOW 100 TRIPS THIS IS IT'S 100 TOTAL TRIPS IS I THINK BELIEVE HOW IT'S FREE SO I DON'T BELIEVE THERE'S WORDING CHANGE THAT WOULD NEED TO BE DONE AND IT'S PEAK HOUR AND THOSE ARE THE TWO PEAK I MEAN YOUR PEAK HOUR COULD BE OTHER THAN AMPM IN ADDITION TO AMPM. SO IF YOU HAVE A CHURCH WE HAVE A TENDENCY TO CHURCHES ON SUNDAYS OF COURSE BECAUSE THOSE ARE HIGHER TIME SCHOOLS.

YOU ALSO HAVE A SCHOOL PEAK AND SO THAT SCHOOL CAN BE EARLIER IN THE DAY WHERE YOU WHERE WE ACTUALLY LOOK AT LIKE AN IT FOR SCHOOLS WE LOOK LIKE AN A PM WHICH IS USUALLY THAT 2 TO 4 PERIOD AND THEN YOU LOOK AT A PM FROM THAT 4 TO 6 PERIOD AND SO IT'S EVERY SITE IS SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT SO YOU DO HAVE TO LOOK AT THAT AND THAT'S WHY YOU'VE GOT THE THE DESIGNEE YOU KNOW THE THE THE THE COUNTY STAFF PERSON THAT'S ABLE TO KIND OF MANAGE THIS THIS PIECE OF THAT WHERE THEY THEY WILL YOU KNOW WHEN WE SET SO WE DO A REVIEW FOR THE TRAFFIC THAT COME THROUGH THE ENCROACHMENT PERMIT PROCESS WE USUALLY WILL WORK WITH THE TRAFFIC ENGINEERS AND SET A STUDY AREA AND WHAT THEY NEED TO BE IN THE BEGINNING THEN THEY STUDY IT AND THEN WE REVIEW IT AND SO KEVIN AND I BOTH DO THAT PIECE AS THESE PROJECTS GO THROUGH THE PROCESS OF DOING I PROBABLY SHOULD KNOW THE ANSWER TO THIS BUT IS THERE A LANGUAGE IN HERE THAT SPECIFICALLY YOU HAVE A THERE'S A BULLET POINT HERE ABOUT THE DRIVEWAY ANALYSIS BEING REQUIRED IN THIS LESSON. THE FIRST AND THAT'S LANGUAGE THAT WE CURRENTLY DON'T NEW ORDINANCE SO I THINK YOU KNOW JUST I MEAN IT'S THEY'VE ALREADY STATED THIS BUT IT'S ALLOWING US TO DO AN APPROPRIATELY SIZED STUDY FOR THE SIZE OF THE DEVELOPMENT

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SO IT'S IN HERE IT'S A DRIVEWAY TRAFFIC ANALYSIS MAYBE OF THE CHURCH GENERATION IS PROJECTED TO BE BELOW THE THRESHOLD ABOVE AT THE REQUEST OF THE ADMINISTRATOR MANAGER OR HIS OR HER DESIGNEE. YEAH. AND SO I GUESS OF THAT SAYING IS THAT SOMETHING THAN 100,000 TRIPS IS LESS LIKELY TO BE HAVING OFF SITE IMPROVEMENT MEANS BUT IT'S GOING TO HAVE DEFINITELY HAVE IMPACTS ON SOME THE INDUSTRY AND THIS IS ALSO JUST ANOTHER POINT IS IT'S FOR NEW DEVELOPMENT BUT ALSO IF SOMETHING IS PLANNED TO BE REDEVELOPED IN THAT REDEVELOPMENT IS GOING TO GENERATE THAT THAT THAT ADDITIONAL TRIP THRESHOLD THAT ALSO TRIGGERS THE TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS AND YOU KNOW TRAFFIC TICKETS PEAK WE'RE WE'RE LOOKING AT I'M ONLY I'M LOOKING AT MY DRIVEWAY AND THEN I'M LOOKING AT OTHER INTERSECTIONS AROUND EXTERNAL INTERSECTIONS SOME OF THESE THE LESSER THE ONES THAT CREATE FEWER OR GENERATE PROJECTED GENERATE FEWER TRIPS WE USUALLY WILL JUST LOOK AT THE DRIVEWAY THEY NEED TURN LANES YOU KNOW IS THERE SOME SORT IS THERE AN ACCESS PIECE? BUT WE DON'T NECESSARILY GO AT LARGER INTERSECTIONS OUT FROM WHERE THE DRIVEWAYS ARE LOCATED. SO THERE'S KIND OF LIKE TWO LEVELS OF TRAFFIC ANALYSIS THAT WE WOULD TYPICALLY LOOK AT. THERE WILL BE MORE QUESTIONS.

OH YEAH, THAT'S SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE HERE FOR RIGHT? YEAH.

GO AHEAD FINISH. YOU SHOULD NOT HAVE ANY POLICING ISSUES ONCE BEHAVE YOURSELF SO SO THIS DOES GO SO CAN EITHER GO INTO THIS IN DETAIL IF YOU GUYS WANT TO LIKE A QUICK LITTLE TRAFFIC ENGINEERING ONE ON ONE BUT BASICALLY WHAT WE LOOK AT AS WE LOOK AT THE EXISTING CONDITIONS LIKE WHAT TRAFFIC WHAT THE TRAFFIC IS LIKE TODAY, WHAT IT WILL BE LIKE IN NO BUILD CONDITION WHERE YOU'RE LOOKING AT WHAT'S GOING TO BE IN THE FUTURE BUT WITHOUT THE PROJECT THEN YOU LOOK AT A BUILD CONDITION AS WELL.

WE ALSO WILL WE'LL LOOK AT IN COOPERATION WITH THE DOT, THE NUMBER ACCESS POINTS AND ALSO THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT NUMBER OF ACCESS POINTS THAT ARE THERE .

WHAT'S THE SPACING BECAUSE EVEN THE DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION AND THE COUNTY BOTH STANDARDS FOR THAT WE'LL ALSO LOOK AT INTERNAL CIRCULATION IN SOME CASES AND THEN ALSO LOOK AT THE MITIGATION THAT IS REQUIRED AS PART OF THOSE AS PART OF THESE DEVELOPMENTS AS PART OF THE IMPACT. AND THEN YOU KNOW, IN THAT SCOPING IF IT'S SOMETHING SPECIAL LIKE IF IT IS A CHURCH OR IF IT'S SOMETHING GOT SOME SPECIAL TYPE OF DRIVE, YOU KNOW SOMETIMES WE'LL LOOK AT DRIVE THROUGH DRIVE THROUGH A LITTLE CLOSER TO MAKE SURE THE QUEUING DOESN'T CU OUT OF THE SITE YOU KNOW IF THERE'S SOMETHING LIKE THAT THAT HAPPENS THAT HAPPENS IN THAT SCOPING MEETING IN THE BEGINNING IN ROB NEXT LIKE AND THEN THIS JUST GOES THROUGH THE FIVE CRITERIA OF WHETHER OR NOT YOU NEED A TRAFFIC STUDY TO BE UPDATED OR REVISED AND SO THIS IS REALLY LOOKING AT DO YOU HAVE IS YOUR DID YOU DO YOUR TRAFFIC STUDY TEN YEARS AGO AND NOW YOU'RE READY TO DEVELOP SO NOW THAT ONE'S GOOD YOU KNOW HOW OFTEN YOU HAVE TO YOU KNOW REALLY TRAFFIC STUDIES ARE FOR ABOUT A YEAR.

YOU KNOW THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF LEEWAY ON THAT WITH DEVELOPMENT BUT YOU KNOW GENERALLY THEY'RE GOOD FOR ABOUT A YEAR OR SO AND YOU KNOW THAT THIS KIND SETS A STANDARD FOR THE COUNTY ON WHEN SOMEBODY HAS TO DO A NEW TRAFFIC STUDY SO THEY CAN'T JUST YOU KNOW, JUST CAN'T SIT ON THE SHELF AND THEN BE YOU KNOW, ON A SHELF AND THEN FIVE YEARS LATER WELL THIS IS WHAT I'M DOING, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE THINGS HAPPEN I MEAN WE'RE YOU KNOW, THERE COULD BE DEVELOPMENTS THAT ARE BEING DONE LIKE THAT HAVE BEEN IN OR IMPROVEMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN DONE THAT NEED TO BE CONSIDERED AND SO THERE'S JUST KIND OF SETS THE FIVE CRITERIA OF WHAT REQUIRES A TRAFFIC STUDY UPDATE FROM FROM A PREVIOUSLY PERFORMED STUDY AND I THINK THE LAST SLIDE IS JUST GOES OVER KIND OF WHERE WE ARE. SO AS I SAID WE'VE PRESENTED TO LET'S WE'VE PRESENTED TO THE LET'S POLICY COMMITTEE WE'VE HAVE THE WORKING GROUP WITH THE TECHNICAL COMMITTEE. WE'VE WORKED ON THE ORDINANCE LANGUAGE WITH THE VARIOUS DEPARTMENTS PLANNING AND I THINK BELIEVE LEGAL'S LOOKED AT IT IN LEGAL AS WELL.

WE'RE KIND OF ALL IN THE PHASE RIGHT NOW SO THE MUNICIPALITIES THAT ARE MOVING FORWARD THIS HAVE HAD THEY KIND OF STARTED WORKSHOPS WITH THEIR PLANNING COMMISSIONS AND SO KIND OF AT THAT YOU KNOW WORKING ON ADOPTION OF THE LANGUAGE AND THEN ONCE ADOPTED THEN IT WOULD KIND OF MOVE ON INTO THE YOU WE'RE WE'RE GOING TO WE'RE CREATING A SHARE DATABASE SO WE ALL KIND OF THE RIGHT PIECES AND PARTS TO INCLUDE IN THE TRAFFIC AND THEN YOU KNOW ALSO OF ROADWAY IMPROVEMENTS THAT ARE PLANNED. UNTIL RECENTLY NEITHER BEAUFORT BEAUFORT NOR AT THAT POINT ROYAL HAD THAT PLANNING COMMISSION SO THEY'RE BRAND NEW NOW SO YEAH SAT DOWN WITH THAT NEW GROUP OF NEW PLANNING COMMISSIONERS HAVE A WORKSHOP TO DISCUSS A UNIFORMITY A REGIONALITY SO I KNOW THAT STAFF SO THE STAFF THE STAFF REPRESENTATIVES THAT ARE ON OUR TECHNICAL WORKING COMMITTEE ARE THE ONES THAT ARE BRINGING THEM

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THEY THEY LIKE IT AT 75. ANOTHER ONE OF THE MUNICIPALITIES PRETTY MUCH ARE IN LOCKSTEP WITH THE 100. THEY THEY THEY FEEL AS THOUGH THE THE THE 100 ACTUALLY SPEAKS WHAT MR. MERCHANT WAS TALKING ABOUT EARLIER YOU KNOW, THE OFF SIDE AND HOW YOU KNOW TYPICALLY AT THE 50 TRIP TO ASHEVILLE IT'S LESS LIKELY TO HAVE A WHOLE LOT OF HALF SIDE IMPROVEMENTS. MOST OF THE IMPROVEMENTS ARE GOING TO HAPPEN ON SITE SO THEY KIND OF UNDERSTAND THAT. SO THEY THEY'RE KIND OF IN LOCKSTEP WITH THEM.

BUT BUT TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, IT KIND OF MAKES, YOU KNOW, SOME IT SOME LIKE WHERE THEY ARE SOME SOME WORD I GUESS AGAINST YEAH WELL MY SENSE IS THAT THIS COMMISSION IS KIND OF LOOKING KIND OF AT A SLIDING SCALE OF AND FLEXIBILITY AND REQUIREMENTS AND NOW DIFFERENT LEVELS SCALE IF YOU OR 50 WOULD BE NECESSARY SIT FOR IT'S NOTHING LESS THAN THAT A FURTHER REVIEW AND THIS WOULD BE NECESSARY AND FOR 75 YET ANOTHER REVIEW IN ORDER TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S A UNIFORMITY AND AN OVERALL DEVELOPMENT INPUT PLAN OKAY.

ALL RIGHT. THAT MAKES SENSE. YOU KNOW, WE CAN FIGURE OUT A WAY TO WRITE THAT. YEAH, WE CAN FIGURE OUT A WAY TO WRITE THAT.

YEAH, I WOULDN'T USE THE WORDS I JUST USE I MEAN I THINK PROBABLY IN WHAT WE WOULD HAVE TO GO BACK TO THE OTHER KIND OF STAKEHOLDERS WITH WITH ORDINANCE WRITING BUT THE THE SIMPLEST WAY MAY BE JUST TO SET IT AT 50 AND THEN ADJUST THE STUDY AREA ACCORDINGLY RATHER THAN MAYBE I MEAN YOU COULD STILL HAVE THE UNDER 50 TRIPS STANDARD AND THEN MAYBE THAT WOULD JUST BE MORE OF YOU KNOW THAT STEP WHEN YOU HAVE THAT SCOPING MEETING MAKING SURE THE SCOPE SCOPING IS APPROPRIATE FOR THAT SITE SO THAT MAY YOU MAY DO A SCOPING MEETING AND MAYBE THEY ONLY NEED TO DO THE DRIVEWAY EVEN IF THEY'RE OVER 50 TRIPS.

YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT THAT JUST PUTS A LITTLE BIT MORE IN THAT THAT PHASE.

OKAY. I'M GOING TO JUST SAY ONE THING THAT I GUESS IS JUST IN THIS IS IT HAS TO DO WITH TRAFFIC NOT NECESSARILY IMPACT ANALYSIS BUT IT'S SOMETHING THAT I'VE SEEN AND I DON'T KNOW HOW FAMILIAR YOU ARE WITH LADY'S ISLAND DRIVE LADIES I DON'T DRIVE GOES FROM RIBAUT ROAD TO SEA ISLAND PARKWAY AND OVER THE COURSE WE'VE LIVED HERE EIGHT OR NINE YEARS 30 YEARS AGO WE LIVED HERE THERE WASN'T A HARD DRIVE AND A MCTEER BRIDGE SPEED LIMIT STARTS AT 45. IT GOES TO 55 AND IT'S CLOSE TO 45.

THAT SPEEDS UP TO 55 AND IT SLOWS DOWN TO 45 AGAIN UNTIL IT GETS TO SEA ISLAND PARKWAY.

QUESTIONS HAVE BEEN ASKED NOT NECESSARILY BY ME BUT FOLKS WHY THE DIFFERENCES AND WHY THE CHANGES AND SPEED LIMITS EVERY THEY'VE RECEIVED AN ANSWER FROM NCDOT AND I'VE BEEN IN CONTACT MR. FREDERICKS ON THIS A COUPLE OF TIMES WHERE WE HAVE TO DO A STUDY I HAVE EMAILS MY BOOK I'VE HAD HERE THAT ARE THREE YEARS OLD AND I'VE ASKED HOW LONG DOES IT TAKE THAT STUDY TO GET DONE? I CAN GO OUT THERE. YOU GIVE ME A RATCHET AND A SCREWDRIVER AND I CAN CHANGE EVERY SIGN ON THAT TO MAKE IT ONE UNIFORM SPEED ON IT TO ACCOMMODATE THE AMOUNT OF GROWTH AND THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC THAT WE HAVE ON THAT ONE PARTICULAR ROAD AND IT'S ABSOLUTELY INSANE. I'VE GIVEN UP CALLING IT LETTERS ON DRIVE JUST CALLED THE AUTOBAHN BECAUSE THERE IS NO SPEED LIMIT ON THAT ROAD AND I UNDERSTAND THE TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS IS VERY IMPORTANT WITH NEW DEVELOPMENTS.

MY POINT BEING IS THAT MOVING DOWN THE ROAD TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS YOU HAVE TODAY EVEN IF THE DEVELOPMENT BEGINS UNFORTUNATELY THINGS ARE MOVING AT A MUCH MORE RAPID PACE THAN GOVERNMENT CAN ACCOMMODATE AND I THINK IT'S IT'S A CHALLENGE IT'S A CHALLENGE FOR THE RESIDENTS, THE COUNTY AND I'M NOT SAYING THIS TO YOU THIS IS JUST A PERSONAL OBSERVATION AND

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YOU WERE TALKING VERY QUICKLY SO WHAT I'D LIKE TO KNOW IS JUST TO SORT OF FOLLOW THE MONEY IN THE CONTRACTS. YOU JUST DESCRIBE THAT. SURE, ROB.

NEXT SLIDE I THINK IS ONE TO LOOK AT. OKAY.

SO RIGHT NOW YOU GUYS HAVE ON CALL CONSULTANTS THAT HAVE BEEN SELECTED THROUGH THEIR PROCUREMENT PROCESS FOR TRAFFIC AND TRANSPORTATION AND SO HOW DO THEY WORK WITH KEVIN AND I HAVE WITH KEVIN AND THE REST OF THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT DURING JARED AND THE REST OF THE TEAM AND BASICALLY HOW THIS WOULD WORK IS THAT A DEVELOPMENT DEVELOPER OR APPLICANT WOULD COME IN TO REQUEST A TRAFFIC STUDY BE COMPLETED AND THIS IS THIS IS HOW IT'S FORMATTED IN HERE AND THIS IS WHAT'S BEEN TRIED OUT IN IN OTHER JURISDICTIONS IN THE CHARLESTON AREA BUT BASICALLY APPLICANT COMES IN AND THEY SAY THEY MEET WITH EITHER ENGINEERING OR PLANNING AND THEY IN IS IDENTIFIED THAT THEY NEED TO HAVE A TRAFFIC STUDY THEY WILL SOME INFORMATION ABOUT THEIR DEVELOPMENT AND PRELIMINARY PRELIMINARY SITE PLAN THERE WILL BE A MEETING WITH START WITH WITH THE STAFF DESIGNEE FORM THE COUNTY THE DEVELOPER AND THEN THE SELECTED CONSULTANT IN THE MUNICIPALITIES AND COUNTIES DO IT DIFFERENT WAYS WHICH ONES THEY ARE ASSIGNED TO AND BASICALLY WE YOU DO A SCOPING THING TO CONSULT A SCOPING MEETING WE GO OVER THE QUESTIONS ANY QUESTIONS ARE THERE'S FURTHER COORDINATION WITH THE DOT ON A MAJORITY OF THEM BECAUSE THE DOT WAS INVOLVED IN A LOT OF THESE AS WELL SO SO FAR THE COUNTY IS PAYING FOR THIS WELL THE SCOPING MEETING WELL LET ME LET ME KEEP GOING AND I THINK THIS WILL ANSWER YOUR QUESTION. SO AS A RESULT OF THAT MEETING QUICKLY THEREAFTER THERE WILL BE A TASK WORK ORDER INVOLVED. THAT TASK WORK ORDER WILL COVER THE THAT WILL COVER THAT SCOPING MEETING WILL COVER THE ANALYSIS AND BASICALLY TASK OF PERFORMING THIS TRAFFIC STUDY FOR THE APPLICANT THAT THAT TASK WORK ORDER GOES TO COUNTY STAFF COUNTY STAFF OR FOR THAT TO THE APPLICANT THE MONEY GOES APPLICANT THEN PAYS THE COUNTY FOR THAT THAT SERVICE AND THEN THE COUNTY IS THE ONE THAT'S CONTRACTED WITH THE WITH THE TRAFFIC CONSULTANT TO COMPLETE THE STUDY BUT THE BUT WHO PAYS THE CONSULTANT. NO THE COUNTY SO THE DEVELOPER PAYS THEM SAY IT'S $10,000 THE TASK WORK ORDER IS SET FOR IT SAYS OKAY IT'S ONLY $10,000 TO COMPLETE THE STUDY THAT IS THEN PASSED ON THE COUNTY OKAY APPLICANT IT'S $10,000.

APPLICANT PAYS $10,000 TO THE COUNTY THEN THE COUNTY GOES UNDER CONTRACT THE CONSULTANT AND THE CONSULTANT IS THEN PAID THEIR JUST A CONTRACTUAL RELATIONSHIP WITH THE CAN THE COUNTY PAYS THAT MONEY TO THE TRAFFIC CONSULTANT THAT'S HOW IS AND THERE'S NOT NEGOTIATION THAT'S JUST A FLAT WHATEVER THE FEE IS IS THE FEE THERE'S NOT OVERAGE THERE'S THERE'S NOT NEGOTIATION IT'S A I MEAN THE SCOPE IS DEFINED IN THE TASK WORK ORDER IN TASK WORK ORDER AS DEFINED IN THAT SCOPE IS X AMOUNT OF MONEY AND I HAVE A QUESTION TO FOLLOW UP WITH THAT. JIM, PLEASE IT IN THE NOTES THAT WE GOT IT ALSO TALKS ABOUT TRAFFIC SIGNALIZATION AND SAYS THE APPLICANT SHOULD PROVIDE FUNDS FOR FUTURE SIGNALS THE COUNTY GET DEPOSITED IN ESCROW OR SPECIAL SET UP FOR THIS PURPOSE OF FUTURE INSTALLATION OF TRAFFIC SIGNALS I GET THAT NUMBER ONE WHAT IT WOULD THERE BE ANY TYPE OF CAP ON THE OR IS THAT JUST GOING TO CONTINUE TO BLOSSOM AND BLOSSOM SECONDLY WHERE WILL THESE FUNDS BE ANNOTATED IN THE BUDGET? HOW THAT GOING TO BE HELD AND HOW WILL THAT BE ACCESS THIRD, WHO HAS THE DISCRETION TO RELEASE THOSE FUNDS AND AT WHAT TIME WHAT OTHER STUDIES AND IS THERE TIME LIMIT FOR THE FUNDS TO BE HELD? I MEAN IS IT AD INFINITUM MEAN ? HOW LONG WILL THESE FUNDS AND HOW WILL THAT AFFECT THE BUDGET ? BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE LOOKING AT BUDGETS NOWADAYS AND THEY WANT TO KNOW WHAT THAT MONEY IS FOR AND WHERE IT'S GOING TO AND KEVIN MIGHT BE ABLE TO BETTER ANSWER THAT. DON'T KNOW. I WILL I WILL GIVE ONE PART.

SO THE TRAFFIC STUDY ITSELF AND THEN I WILL HAND QUICKLY OVER TO KEVIN BECAUSE THAT GOES AND NOT INTO MY AREA. THE FIRST THE FIRST PART OF THAT QUESTION IS BASICALLY THE TRAFFIC WILL IDENTIFY IMPROVEMENTS THAT ARE NEEDED TO BE COMPLETED AS PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT. THAT PIECE IS THAT WOULD BE IN YOU KNOW THE TRAFFIC STUDIES GET THEN YOU KNOW THEY GO THROUGH APPROVAL WHERE THEY GET APPROVED BY THE CAN THEY GET APPROVED BY THE STATE. THERE'S AN EXPECTATION FROM FROM THE STATE TO BE ABLE TO HAVE YOUR PROJECT MOVE FORWARD THAT WHATEVER IS IDENTIFIED IN THOSE IMPROVEMENTS THAT ARE IN THE TRAFFIC STUDY NEED TO BE COMPLETED AS OF THE DEVELOPMENT I WILL HAND IT OVER TO

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SO THERE'S YOUR WE WILL FOLLOW THE BEST PRACTICES BASED ON OUR PROCUREMENT OFFICE.

I MEAN SO WE WON'T BE OPERATING IN A SILO WITH RESPECT TO THE MONEY AND HOW THE MONEY IS BEING HELD OR BEING DISPERSED OR HOW LONG IT WILL BE, HOW WE WILL WORKING IN LOCKSTEP WITH OUR PROCUREMENT OFF THE OFFICE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE DOING IT.

WE'RE USING THE BEST PRACTICES THERE. SO I KNOW EVERYBODY HERE HAS HEARD OF DEVELOPMENT IMPACT FEES SO THIS WILL BE LIKING TO A DEVELOPMENT IMPACT JUST JUST TO KIND OF GIVE YOU SOME FOUNDATION. OKAY.

WELL HOW MUCH YOU SAY IMPACT FEE THAT COULD BE THOUSAND DOLLARS TO BE 100,000.

WELL, WE KNOW BASICALLY A AND I WAS SPEAKING STRICTLY TO MR. ROSS'S QUESTION ABOUT THE SIGNALIZATION AND THE WHAT QUESTION WAS HOW AS WELL. RIGHT AND THEN WHO'S RESPONSIBLE FOR AND ALL THAT. I'M NOT GETTING THAT ANSWER RIGHT SO OKAY WELL THERE WAS GOING TO BE A CERTAIN AMOUNT FUNDS LIKE I SAID, THE QUESTIONS THAT I HAD IS IS NUMBER ONE WHO'S AND YOU ANSWER THAT THE PROCUREMENT FOLKS ARE GOING TO HAVE ACCESS TO THOSE FUNDS TO BE ABLE TO RELEASE IT SO THAT WILL BE HELD THEIR BUDGET AND IS THERE A TIME LIMIT THAT THOSE FUNDS WILL BE HELD? I MEAN THERE MAY NOT BE ANY NEED FOR TRAFFIC SIGNALIZATION FOR THREE, FIVE, TEN YEARS. WHAT HAPPENS TO THAT MONEY? WHERE DOES IT GO? WELL, THAT'S THE PURPOSE, YOU KNOW, AND WE DON'T WANT TO BEAT A DEAD HORSE TONIGHT, BUT THAT'S THE PURPOSE OF AN ESCROW ACCOUNT, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW WHEN WE'RE GOING TO SPEND IT. BUT BUT BUT BUT OF COURSE THERE WOULD BE AGREEMENTS IN PLACE AND WE'LL USE PLACE AND AGAIN WE WOULD DEFINITELY FOLLOW THE RULES WITH RESPECT TO HOW WE PROCURE THE MORE THINGS THAT COME INTO THE COUNTY.

SO THE QUESTION THAT YOU ASKED ASKING WE COULD DEFINITELY FOLLOW UP WITH YOU TO GIVE YOU THE DETAILS. YEAH BUT. WHAT WE WILL BE DEFINITELY CONSIDERING THE BEST PRACTICES APPLICATION IN ALL OF THIS. KEVIN ARE YOU SAYING THEN THAT BASICALLY EVERYTHING IS INDIVIDUALLY NEGOTIATED AS FAR AS CREW FEES AND DEPOSITS WHATEVER TO BUILD EACH THERE'S A SEPARATE CONTRACT FOR EACH ONE.

IT'S NOT A STANDARD CONTRACT. WELL WELL WELL AS MS. BILL KIND OF ALLUDED TO LIKE THE TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDIES WILL BEGIN WITH THE SCOPING MEETING ABOUT THE TRAFFIC IMPACT.

WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ESCROW FEES ETC. FOR CIVILIZATION RIGHT SIGNALIZATION WHATEVER THEY ARE RIGHT THESE ARE IN ONCE THE TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS HAS BEEN COMPLETED THEY PAID FOR THAT DONE RIGHT. THE OTHER PART IS ALL COVERED BY A CONTRACT WE DEVELOP THE DEVELOPER HE USING THOSE WORDS TOGETHER HE'S PUT TOGETHER WITH DEVELOPER AND EACH ONE IS A SEPARATE ONE AS TO HOW MUCH IS NEEDED BECAUSE WE MADE THE TRAFFIC THERE AND HOW LONG IT'S GOING TO BE A SEPARATE NEGOTIATION GOES THAT OR IS IT A STANDARD PRACTICE THAT WE HAVE WHERE THERE'S A STANDARD SAYS OH TWO TRAFFIC SIGNALS IT'S $3,000 EACH.

I KNOW IT'S MORE THAN THAT BUT YOU KNOW, IS IT A STANDARD OR IS THIS SOMETHING THAT MAYBE MAYBE MAYBE JENNIFER CAN HELP WITH THAT? SO I THINK SO THE THE REASON THAT THIS IS BROUGHT UP IS THAT WHAT WILL HAPPEN SOMETIMES IS THERE WILL BE A DEVELOPMENT THAT WILL COME AND THAT WE'LL NEED IT'S PROJECTED TO NEED A TRAFFIC TO A TRAFFIC SIGNAL THE FUTURE IT DOESN'T MEAN THERE'S FEDERAL WARRANTS THAT NEED TO BE MET TO BE ABLE TO BE ALLOWED TO PUT IN A TRAFFIC SIGNAL THAT YOU HAVE TO PROVE TO THE DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION THAT IT'S NEEDED. AND SO WHAT HAD WHAT HAS HAPPENED IN THE PAST IS THAT YOU KNOW THAT BY THE TIME THE TRAFFIC SIGNAL IS NEEDED THERE'S IT'S THERE'S NO THERE'S NO MONEY THAT'S BEEN SET ASIDE FOR THIS. BUT TO ALL THE DETAILS OF THE ESCROW ACCOUNT, I THINK THAT'S INFORMATION THAT WE CAN GET. I DON'T THINK THAT KEVIN OR I KNOW THAT WE REALLY PROBABLY NEED TO TALK TO FINANCE AND SEE EXACTLY HOW THAT THAT IS GOING TO BE SET UP. THAT'S KIND OF BEYOND BEYOND BEYOND US AND BEYOND ME FOR SURE AND I APOLOGIZE. BUT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE COULD FIND A LITTLE BIT MORE INFORMATION BUT THAT'S WHAT IT IS FOR THE REST OF THE IMPROVEMENTS ARE ASSOCIATED WITH THE TRAFFIC STUDY LIKE IF YOU NEED TO PUT IN A TURN LANE OR IF THIS NEEDS TO BE DONE THOSE GET DONE AT THE TIME OF THE STUDY IT'S FOR SOME OF THESE DEVELOPMENTS OR SOME OF THESE THINGS THAT WILL BE IN THE FUTURE THAT WE KNOW ARE COMING SO THAT THERE'S ACTUALLY MONEY THERE TO, YOU KNOW, FIVE YEARS, TEN YEARS FROM NOW WHAT YOU KNOW, TO TO PAY THAT BUT I DON'T KNOW ALL THE DETAILS TO ALL THAT PIECE THAT YOU HAVE TO DO BUT.

I THINK YOUR POINT THIS IS VERY, VERY WELL TAKEN BECAUSE AND YOU PROBABLY DON'T KNOW THIS MY BACKGROUND IS SCHOOL DISTRICTS UP NORTH AND WE'VE NEVER HAD THE MONEY TO BUILD A SCHOOL BECAUSE IF THERE WASN'T ESCROW NO WAY. NO WE'RE NOWHERE MONEY.

AND SO I MEAN YOUR QUESTION IS A VERY WELL VERSED VERY IMPORTANT QUESTION AS WE GO

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I MEAN FROM MY PERSPECTIVE AN ESCROW AS A AS AN ACCOUNTING THAT SHOULD NOT BE AN ORDINANCE WHERE I'M COMING FROM. YOU'RE BASICALLY PLAYING TO A WE WANT YOU TO PUT X AMOUNT OF MONEY INTO AN ESCROW ACCOUNT YOU MAY NEVER SEE IT AGAIN AND WE'RE EXPECTING THEM TO JUST GO FORWARD WITH THAT. I CAN'T THINK OF TOO MANY DEVELOPERS THAT WOULD WANT TO DO THAT. IT'S IT'S WORTH YOU AGREE I JUST THERE'S NO IT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE TO ME BUT LOOK THAT'S ALL PART OF THE THE TASK WORK ORDER YOU'VE IDENTIFIED INTERSECTION YOU'RE ANALYZING AND ARE GOING TO KNOW THROUGH THAT THAT AT THE END OF THAT PROCESS WHAT IMPROVEMENTS ARE GOING TO BE REQUIRED MAYBE RIGHT MAYBE MAYBE OR WILL BE WELL OKAY. CAN WE JUMP IN? OKAY.

LET ME JUMP IN REAL QUICK AND CLARIFY. OKAY.

SO WHEN WE DO A TRAFFIC STUDY I DON'T WANT TO YOU GUYS GO DOWN A RABBIT HOLE.

YOU DON'T NEED TO GO DOWN. THAT'S WHY THAT'S WHY I STOPPED YOU.

OKAY. SO WHEN YOU DO A TRAFFIC STUDY YOU HAVE A SET SET OF INTERSECTIONS, YOU HAVE A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF IMPROVEMENTS THEY CAN THOSE IMPROVEMENTS ARE IDENTIFIED. THOSE IMPROVEMENTS ARE REQUIRED AT TIME OF STUDY WHERE THIS ALL THIS ONE PIECE OF WHERE WE DON'T KNOW WHEN IT WILL BE WARRANTED.

WE HAVE AN IDEA IF WE DO A TRAFFIC STUDY THE TRAFFIC SIGNAL BASED ON PROJECTED VOLUMES WILL BE WARRANTED IN YOU KNOW, 20 YOU KNOW, 28 AND BUT YOU CAN'T BUT YOU CAN'T PUT IT IN UNTIL 2028 BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO PROVE TO THE DEPARTMENT TRANSPORTATION THAT THE SIGNALS ACTUALLY NEEDED. THEY JUST DON'T LET YOU PUT IT IN EARLY BECAUSE THERE'S A WHOLE SERIES OF REASONS ON WHY YOU DON'T PUT A TRAFFIC SIGNAL IN EARLY.

SO WITH THE WHERE THE THAT THE IDEA OF THIS ACCOUNT WAS CREATED IN IN REVIEWED WAS THAT THAT THAT PIECE OF YOU HAVE A YOU HAVE A TRANSPORTATION THAT WE KNOW IS COMING IN THE FUTURE WE DON'T KNOW TIME CERTAIN OF WHAT IT IS EVERYTHING ELSE IN THE TRAFFIC STUDY MOST EVERYTHING ELSE IN TRAFFIC STUDY WOULD BE TIME CERTAIN YOU HAVE TO DO IT AT THIS PHASE OR THAT PHASE JUST BECAUSE THERE'S A SEPARATE THAT'S ASSOCIATED WITH A TRAFFIC SIGNAL IN PARTICULAR. THAT'S WHY THAT HAS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT WORDING ASSOCIATED WITH IT. BUT I MEAN DEFINITELY WE CAN GET MORE DETAILS AND WORK WITH COUNTY FINANCE AND LEGAL ON THE QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE TODAY BUT THE TRAFFIC STUDIES ARE A FORECAST AND IT'S NOT AN EXACT ASSIGNMENT. IT IS AN ACTUAL CLUE OF WHAT IS ON NOT BEFORE IT'S SO I MEAN THEY'RE THE BEST SO THEY'RE THE BEST ESTIMATE THAT WE HAVE TO BE ABLE TO UNDERSTAND THE IMPACTS OF A DEVELOPMENT OR OR BUREAU OF DEVELOPMENT OR A CHANGE IN DEVELOPMENT. SO IT'S USING THE INFORMATION USES EXISTING INFORMATION THAT'S GROWING UP AND THEN YOU APPLY USING ENGINEERING JUDGMENT AND ANALYSIS TOOLS TO GIVE THE BEST PROJECTION THAT WE KNOW OF WHAT'S GOING TO BE NEEDED ASSOCIATED WITH THIS DEVELOPMENT. SO WHETHER THAT'S DRIVEWAY TURN LANES OR SIGNALIZATION AT THE DRIVEWAY OR IF IT'S IMPROVEMENTS AT OTHER OUTSTANDING INTERSECTION INS, THOSE ARE ALL THE DIFFERENT PIECES THAT WE LOOK AT WHEN WE DO A TRAFFIC STUDY AND WE ANALYZE THAT SO IT IS PROJECTIONS IT'S OUR YOU KNOW IT'S OUR BEST IS OUR BEST ESTIMATE OF WHAT WE THE PROJECTIONS ARE GOING TO BE AND WHAT IMPACTS ARE GOING TO OCCUR BASED ON DEVELOPMENT. AND I GUESS MY QUESTION WOULD BE WHAT IF ANOTHER DEVELOPMENT CAME IN AND ESCROW FUNDS WERE USED FOR THAT AND THAT FOR THE PRESENT DEVELOPMENT FOR THE PROPOSED ONE THAT WASN'T EVEN ON THE PLANNING BOARDS. IN GOING BACK TO THE QUESTION HOW LONG DOES THE ESCROW LAST BECAUSE I WOULD TAKE AS A DEVELOPER I WOULD NEVER AGREE TO HAVE MY ESCROW USED FOR A FUTURE IMPACT OF TRAFFIC THAT WASN'T CAUSED BY MY DEVELOPMENT . YEAH MAKES SENSE IN AND WE CAN GET YOU MORE INFORMATION ON EXACTLY HOW THE COUNTY WOULD STRUCTURE THAT FINE BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW OF ANY DEVELOPER THAT WOULD UNLESS UNLESS YOU WAS DONALD TRUMP WOULD DO SOMETHING SO YEAH I MEAN THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN GO BACK TO STAFF AND TO THE FINANCE STAFF AND GET MORE INFORMATION GO AHEAD KEN MAYBE MAYBE THIS IS THIS IS SOMETHING THAT MAY I GUESS TO USE MRS. MRS. MCMILLAN'S WORD ILLUMINATE AND THE COMMISSION THERE WAS A PROJECT IN BALTIMORE MARYLAND IT'S CALLED INNER HARBOR EAST OKAY. IT STARTED A LONG TIME AGO MAYBE LIKE 1015 YEARS AGO BUT IT WAS A PHASE PROJECT SO. THEY KNEW THERE WAS SOMETHING

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THE FIRST THING IN THE CITY OF BALTIMORE CITY IS IS OKAY. ALL RIGHT, YOU GUYS TO YOU GUYS ARE GOING TO NEED A LOT OF WATER RIGHT NOW CURRENT WATER STORAGE TO THIS IS LACKLUSTER SO THE FIRST IMPROVING THE FIRST MITIGATION IMPROVEMENT FOR YOU GUYS DEVELOPMENT IS FOR YOU GUYS TO RENEW THE WHOLE WATER SYSTEM THIS ROAD IT'S CALLED CENTRAL AVENUE FROM CENTRAL AVENUE ALL WAY TO IN ARBY'S. YOU GUYS GOT TO MAKE THAT IMPROVEMENT SO WRITTEN INSIDE THE TO WAS THAT'S A MITIGATION ALONG WITH THEIR MITIGATION THEY NEEDED SIGNALS PLUS A WHOLE BUNCH A WHOLE HOST OF OTHER THINGS BUT WHAT THEY DID WAS THEY CAME IN LIKE 24 MONTHS LATER DID THE WHOLE SEWER SYSTEM OVER THE DEVELOPMENT JUST STAYED. THEY DIDN'T BUILD ANYTHING. THEY DIDN'T DO ANYTHING DIDN'T LAY ANY FOUNDATION. IT WAS JUST DIRT FOR YEARS BUT TO THE POINT THAT WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE WITH INSTITUTING THIS IN OUR TIAA WHEN YOU DO THINGS AND YOU HAVE GOVERNMENTAL POLICIES AND REGULATIONS IN PLACE IF THEY'RE CLEAR THEN THE DEVELOPER ALREADY KNEW OKAY WE'RE GOING TO BUILD THIS REALLY BEAUTIFUL REMARKABLE REMARKABLE QUOTE UNQUOTE GLOBALLY RECOGNIZED ATTRACTION ONE DAY. SO THEY PLACED THE MONEY IN ACCOUNT THAT JUST THAT THEY'RE RIGHT SO WHEN THE TIME CAME FROM THE INSTITUTE LIGHTS AND TO PUT IN LEFT TURNS AND RIGHT TURNS AND STUFF LIKE THAT THEY DIDN'T HAVE TO GO LOOKING FOR IT PLUS PLUS PLUS THEY WERE IN A TIFF DISTRICT. I KNOW YOU GUYS WERE ACTIVE DISTRICTS PLUS THEY WERE IN A TIP DEFAULT SO SO A LOT OF THE MONEY THAT WENT TO THEIR MITIGATION WAS DUE TO THE TIFF AGREEMENT THAT THEY HAD WITH THE STATE NO NO STORY SO IT IS THAT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT IS NOT BRAND NEW. IT IS DONE ALL ACROSS THE UNITED STATES. BUT WE WILL COME BACK WITH MORE CLARITY AND MORE INFORMATION ON THE TIMELINES AND HOW WE AS A COMPANY WOULD BE ABLE TO DO IT THE WAY WE WOULD LIKE TO DO IT.

BUT I THINK THAT MIGHT TO MAKE ME KIND OF ILLUMINATE HOW THAT WORKS.

I SPOKE ABOUT A SEWER SYSTEM THAT WENT UNDERNEATH THE ROAD BUT MISS MILLER MR. MILLER WAS FOCUSED ON A TRAFFIC LIGHT JUST . MR. MYERS THE TRAFFIC LIGHT THE SAME THE SAME IS THE SAME PREMISE YOU KNOW SOMETHING IS COMING.

WE KNOW WE KNOW IT'S COMING. WE KNOW IT'S GOING TO COST THIS MUCH.

WE'RE GOING TO USE THIS SET ASIDE FUND TO HANDLE IT. WE THE COUNTY AGREED WITH THE DEVELOPER DO IT WHETHER IT'S A M OR YOU WHETHER IT'S SOME OTHER TYPE ARRANGEMENT.

BUT THAT ARRANGEMENT IS SIGNED IN THE PARTIES BOTH AGREED TO IT AND YOU KNOW IT GETS DONE.

I ALWAYS GET DONE. SO THAT'S THAT'S JUST YOU KNOW ,ONE INSTANCE OF HOW THAT WORKS BUT YOU KNOW THANK YOU. THANK YOU. DON'T FORGET INFLATION BUT YEAH THE PROJECT I'M SURE THEY WON'T. YEAH.

OKAY LET'S BRING THIS UP TO THE COMMISSIONERS FOR ANY DISCUSSION US ABOUT ANYTHING WE WOULD LIKE TO SAY ABOUT THIS. YES YEAH. A COUPLE MORE QUESTIONS FOR YOU IN THE SECTION 6.3.10, THE PART THAT STRICKEN THE SENTENCE SAYS AGAINST THE COUNTY'S TRAFFIC SERVICE LEVEL GOALS SET FORTH IN THE BEAUFORT COUNTY COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IN THE NEW I WOULD NEVER EVEN MENTION THE COMPREHENSIVE AND I WAS WONDERING IF YOU SHOULD PROBABLY PUT THAT IN THERE, YOU KNOW BECAUSE YOU DO TALK ABOUT SERVICE LEVELS THAT ARE PART OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. I THINK IT'S LAUSD YES. AND I WAS WONDERING IF YOU WANTED TO PUT YOU KNOW YES. YES. THE TO THE PLAN AND THIS ORDINANCE SHOULD BE KIND OF YOU KNOW, TO YOUR COMMENT, YOU KNOW THAT YOU KNOW THAT THAT REMARK CAN BE REPLACED BACK INTO THE OLD PROGRAM. YEAH.

AND THEN THE SECOND ONE I HAVE IS PROBABLY ABOUT EIGHT OR NINE TIMES THROUGHOUT THIS THAN THE NEW LANGUAGE TALKS ABOUT THE ADMINISTRATOR SLASH MANAGER AND HIS WORD DOESN'T NEED TO BE ALL LANGUAGE NEVER EVEN MENTIONS MY AND SO I'M MY QUESTION REALLY IS OF A GENERAL NATURE WHICH IS WHO IS THIS AND OR HIS HAVE DENSITY WHY IS IT IMPORTANT TO PUT IN THIS LANGUAGE AND COULDN'T WE JUST SAY AS APPROVED BY THE COUNTY ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT OR

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WE JUST DON'T KNOW WHO THAT IS. AND SO WE WANT YOU TO THE NAME RIGHT WELL RIGHT BUT EVEN LIKE JUST AS GIVES FLEXIBILITY MAYBE IT WOULD CHANGE OVER TIME. WE HAD SOME DISCUSSIONS WITH MANY MANY THIS HAS GONE HAS AS KEVIN SAID THIS HAS HAD MANY DIFFERENT VERSIONS BUT THIS WAS FELT TO BE THE BEST THAT WE COULD THE BEST THAT THAT REFLECTED THE DIRECTION THAT THE COUNTY WANTED TO GO. OKAY, THAT'S GOOD. OKAY.

HOW MANY TRAFFIC IT HOW MANY TRAFFIC ENGINEERING CONSULTANTS DO WE HAVE NOW ON THIS ON CALL BASIS WE OWN WE CURRENTLY HAVE THREE TO SORT OF A QUESTION THAT I HAD IN TERMS OF THE PRE-QUALIFY PROCESS FOR WHO GETS TO PERFORM THE TIAA. IS THAT PROCESS THE SAME NOW AS IT CURRENTLY IS OR IS CONSULTANTS GET SELECTED IN ORDER TO BE ABLE TO PERFORM A TIE INTO THE NEW ORDINANCE? WELL IT IT WOULDN'T CHANGE THE COMPANY HAS A AND TRANSPARENT PROCESS TO HOW THEY SECURITY SERVICES FOR OUR TRAFFIC ENGINEERS SO THAT PROCESS OF BEING FAIR AND TRANSPARENT WOULDN'T CHANGE BECAUSE IT SEEMED LIKE I READ SOMEWHERE ONE OF THE REASONS FOR THIS WAS TO HAVE GREATER CONSISTENCY IN TERMS OF HOW THE PROCESS WAS BEING DONE AND I DIDN'T KNOW IF THAT WAS SPECIFIC TO THE TIAA ITSELF OR IF WAS ALSO TIED SOMEHOW TO HOW YOU WERE PRE QUALIFYING ENGINEERS THAT WERE ABLE DO THE WORK.

SO YEAH THAT THAT WAS THAT THAT WAS MORE SPECIFIC TO A DEVELOPER HIRING HIS OWN ENGINEER VERSUS THE COUNTY HAVING ITS OWN ENGINEER NOW TO DO TO TIE IN THIS IN THIS TIE PROPOSES THAT THE COMPANY WILL HAVE ITS OWN ENGINEER TAKE IT ONE MORE QUESTION YOU TALKED ABOUT HAVING THE NEED TO DO THIS SO THAT YOU GET AWAY FROM THE INCONSISTENCIES THE PAST TO WHAT WERE YOU SEEING THAT MADE IT INCONSISTENT? WELL, IT'S THINGS THAT WE WERE DOING WITH RESPECT TO OUR ASSUMPTIONS THAT WE KIND OF WANT TO FORMALIZE WHERE WE WOULD BE KIND OF DOING THEM INFORMALLY BUT WE WANT TO FORMALIZE.

SO JEN JENNIFER SPOKE ABOUT GROWTH. I MEAN SHE SHE SPOKE ABOUT APPROVED DEVELOPMENTS. I LIKE DEVELOPMENTS THAT IN THE PIPELINE SHE THOUGHT SHE SPOKE ABOUT MULTI-JURISDICTIONAL COORDINATION MEANING I'LL SPEAK IN THE HEART OF YOU ARE SPEAKING TO US I SPEAK IN THE PORTRAYAL OF SPEAKING TO THE CITY SO THOSE ARE THOSE ARE THE THINGS THAT WE'RE KIND OF DOING INFORMALLY BUT WE WANT TO USE THIS TO CODIFY THAT YOU KNOW YOU TO YOU TO SAY NO THIS IS EXACTLY WE PLAN TO DO THESE THINGS MOVING FORWARD.

THE NEXT TWO REASONS I'M GOING TO I'M DONE. OKAY.

JUST TO COMMENT WITH REGARD TO JUNCTURE WHERE, THERE HAVE BEEN A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF QUESTIONS AND REQUESTS FOR FURTHER INFORMATION JUST TO GET DONE A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF THE NEW PROCESSES THAT ARE GOING TO BE PUT IN PLACE, WHETHER IT BE ESCROWS, EQUALIZATION ETC. THE SELECTION CRITERIA DO WE WANT TO MAKE MOTION TO APPROVE WITH PROVISIONS OR WOULD WE PREFER THAT TRANSPORTATION ORGANIZATION COME BACK TO US WITH IDENTIFIED AREAS FOR FURTHER QUESTIONS? BASED ON YOUR QUESTIONS, IS THERE ANY FEEL FOR THAT ANY COMMENT ON THAT? I'D LIKE OPTION NUMBER TWO I WOULD DO I'D LIKE MORE INFORMATION PARTICULARLY FROM THE FINANCIAL WE YOU KNOW IT'S REALLY BECAUSE OF THE TRANSPARENCY ISSUE I THINK THAT EVERYONE IS CONCERNED WITH AS FAR AS LIKE I SAID FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY.

EVERYONE WANTS TO MAKE SURE EVEN THOUGH IT'S COMING FROM A DEVELOPER ARE GOING TO WANT TO KNOW WHERE THEIR YEAH. MONEY'S GOING AND WHAT'S GOING TO BE THE POINT.

YEAH I HAVE A SENSE THE SAME SENSE OF THAT THERE'S A LOT OF NEW PROCESS TO HEARING IT AND FOLLOWING THROUGH ON ALL THE DETAILS THAT NEED TO BE THOUGHT THROUGH MY BROTHER'S PROCUREMENT OR ACCOUNTING OR LAYING OUT LEGAL CONSIDERATIONS OR WHOMEVER NOW IS ENGAGED IN THE PROCESS THAT WASN'T IN THE PROCESS BEFORE AS TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE IT NAILED DOWN THERE'S SOMEONE SOMETHING THAT'S SLIPPED THROUGH US AND THAT WE DO THIS WITH THE OBJECTIVE AS

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RIGHT. SO I'M READY TO ENTERTAIN A MOTION AND BASED ON WHAT YOU JUST COMMENTED ON AS TO CARRYING THIS FORWARD, YOU NEED A MOTION FOR THAT.

WELL, I GUESS WE NEED A MOTION FOR THAT DOING ROB TO WE TAKE A MOTION ON IT IT'S ALWAYS MOTION YEAH I THINK YEAH I THINK IT IS TOO SO SO MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE THIS UNTIL MORE INFORMATION IS AVAILABLE FROM THE PARTICULAR DEPARTMENTS WE ASK FOR.

WELL I'D LIKE YOU TO SPECIFY IN THE MOTION WHAT THOSE THAT INFORMATION NEEDS TO BE SO THEY CAN COME BACK WITH SPECIFIC RESPONSES THAT WILL THEN BE ABLE TO GO FORWARD WITH THEIR ACTIVITIES HERE BECAUSE THEY HAVE THEY HAVE A VERY ACTIVE CALENDAR TO GET GOING ON THIS ISSUE FOR ANYBODY ONE LIKE TO MAKE THAT MOTION JUST TO WE HAVE A RECORDING THAT WE CAN GO BACK AND MAYBE IT'S EASIEST WAY TO DO THIS ROB SCRATCH OUT EASY WHICH WHAT'S THE WAY TO DO THIS OR THE THREE THINGS AND I JUST TAKE THEM GOOD THANK YOU THANK YOU.

OKAY SO THERE'S THREE THINGS THAT I THINK YOU GUYS ARE MAINLY FOCUSED ON SO WE DEFINITELY NEED MORE ON THE ESCROW PIECE. SO HOPEFULLY THAT AND KEVIN CLARIFIED THAT WE NEED YOU WANT MORE YOU WANT MORE DETAIL SO YEAH WE'LL GET WITH WITH MR. AND SEE HOW HE WANTS TO TO HANDLE THAT PIECE OF IT WHETHER IT'S SOMEBODY FOR FINANCE OR JUST MORE INFORMATION THAT WE CAN PROVIDE YOU ON THAT A REVIEW OF POTENTIALLY CHANGING IT TO 50 TRIPS INSTEAD OF 100 AND IF SEE IF THERE'S ANY CONCERN CHANGING TO 50 OR SEEING IF THERE'S ANY CONCERN OF CHANGING IT TO 50.

AND THEN THE OTHER THING IS A REFERENCE TO A REFERENCE TO THE CDC THE THE THE THE CODE IS JUST SOMETHING IN THERE TO TO TO REFER A PERSON TO THAT REALLY THOSE ARE THE THREE MAIN THINGS THAT I KIND OF HAVE TAKEN BACK LIKE THE THREE MAJOR WAS THERE ANY OTHER THAT YOU THOUGHT WAS COMPELLING AND JUST TO CLARIFY IT WAS A REFERENCE TO THE CURRENT PLAN YES.

WE CAN'T PLAN A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. IT DOESN'T EVEN HAVE TO SAY 2045 JUST BECAUSE THAT CHANGES THE CURRENT PERIODICALLY THE CURRENT ONE THAT WOULD BE THE OKAY YEAH I'D LIKE TO ENTERTAIN A MOTION THEN YOU CAN I CAN LOOK AT THE MOTION AS THE TABLE AND A DECISION ON THIS UNTIL WE TO GET A RESPONSE FROM THE AREAS IDENTIFIED IN THE DISCUSSION TONY THIS EVENING DR. CAN YOU COME BACK NEXT MONTH WHENEVER YOU I MEAN I DON'T WANT TO RUSH IF YOU NEEDED MORE TIME TO DO THIS. YEAH.

YEAH, I DON'T I THINK NEXT MONTH. OKAY.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THAT MOTION. ALL RIGHT.

UNANIMOUS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

I THINK WE SHOULD PROBABLY ALSO SAY THAT THE BONES OF THIS IS REALLY GOOD AND REALLY UNDERSTAND IT THAT MUCH. THAT'S WHY THERE WERE SO MANY QUESTIONS.

RIGHT. SO AND DO APPRECIATE YOUR EXPLANATION ABSOLUTELY IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO CODIFY SOMETHING THAT HASN'T BEEN YEAH SO THANK THANK YOU ALL RIGHT WE'RE AT THE POINT WHERE THE DISCUSSION ITEMS I HAVE NOTHING TO REPORT IS THERE ANYBODY HAVE ANY BURNING LIKE TO DISCUSS BEFORE WE ADJOURN I HAVE ONE QUESTION I OUT OF TOWN JUNE AND MEANS SORRY BUT IS THERE ANY WAY I CAN PARTICIPATE DURING THOSE MEETINGS? DO I HAVE TO BE HERE PHYSICALLY TO PARTICIPATE? I, I BELIEVE I CAN DO THEM BUT CAN YOU THERE ARE PERIODS OF TIME WHEN THE COUNTY AUTHORIZED USERS ONLINE DISCUSSIONS OR INTERACTION CAN COMMISSIONERS WITHOUT COUNTY APPROVAL PARTICIPATE IN VOTE ONLINE I'LL SPEAK WITH OKAY YEAH THANK YOU FOR THE SUGGESTION COUNCILOR IT'S BEEN HAPPENING OCCASIONALLY THE COUNCIL MEMBER IS REMOVED. YES WELL WE'LL MAKE AN INQUIRY ON THAT. I PROMISE NOT TO BE OBNOXIOUS I'LL JUST ASSUME THAT YOU SHOW UP WE'LL JUST THAT YOU SHOW UP AT THE YOU KNOW WHO SET THIS PROCESS SO THAT WELL IT'S BEEN A LIVELY DISCUSSION THIS EVENING THERE'S NO FURTHER DISCUSSION.

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