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CLOSED CAPTIONING PROVIDED BY BUFORT COUNTY ADVISORY COMMITTEE MEETING.
I'D LIKE TO CALL THIS TO ORDER.
WE HAVE APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES.
THE, THE, THE REASON IS THAT, UH, UM, I WAS THERE AT THE LAST MEETING, BUT I, UH, MY MICS DIDN'T GET TO WORK.
WE COULDN'T CONNECT EVEN WITH IPHONE, SO I WAS, UM, SLIGHTLY MUSCLES THAT MEETING.
I WANTED TO GET THIS, UM, POINTS ACROSS BECAUSE IT ALSO IMPACTS, UM, I THINK THE, THE, THE MEETING TODAY.
I'LL TRY TO GO THROUGH THEM QUICKLY.
JUST SO YOU KNOW THAT THE, THE, THE MINUTES WILL BE APPROVED AT THE NEXT MEETING.
UH, BUT JUST IN THE INTEREST OF, OF THIS MEETING AND THE PREPARATION FOR NEXT MEETING.
UM, AT THE LAST MEETING, UM, MY FIRST ISSUE WAS THAT WE DID REALLY DIDN'T DISCUSS THE BRIDGES.
AND AT THE END OF THE DAY, THE DOCUMENT THAT, UH, LOCH IS GONNA PRODUCE IS GOING TO BE, UM, THE, UH, IMPORTANT DOCUMENT FOR THE TOWN TO, UH, NEGOTIATE WITH THE COUNTY ON WHAT THEY WANT IN ADDITION TO, UH, AS A CONDITION TO THE MUNICIPAL CONSENT.
SO, UM, WHAT I DIDN'T SEE, UH, NATE WAS, UM, A AN OPINION, AND MAYBE THAT CAN COME LATER ON ONE SPAN VERSUS TWO SPANS.
I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT, UM, FOR A WHOLE BUNCH OF REASONS.
SECONDLY, UM, IF YOU HAVE A ONE SPAN, 11 LANE BRIDGE, IS THAT ACTUALLY TECHNICALLY FEASIBLE OR DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? UH, AS A WHOLE, CAN YOU EVALUATE IN YOUR VI UH, OR SYNCHRO TWO LANES IN A BREAKDOWN LANE WITH ALTERNATIVE ALTERNATIVE USE, UM, AS A ROADWAY DURING PEAK HOURS OF THE BREAKDOWN LANE.
UM, AND THEN ON THE VEHICLES PER HOUR, UH, A SIMULATION OF 3000 VEHICLES PER HOUR, WHICH IS WHAT WE HAVE NOW.
THEN IF YOU TAKE THE, THE VARIOUS GROWTH RATES, NOW YOU AT, UH, 0.56, THE COUNTY IS 1.19, YOU END UP ANYWHERE BETWEEN THREE AND A HALF AND 4,000 VEHICLES PER HOUR.
SO I THINK IF YOU HAVE THESE TWO, UM, UM, MILESTONES, 3003 AND A HALF THOUSAND AND 4,000 VEHICLES PER HOUR, YOU AT LEAST CAPTURE THE, THE, THE, THE WIDTH OF THE POSSIBILITIES FOR THE, UM, FOR THE BRIDGES.
UM, THEN SECOND POINT, THE ON-GRADE BYPASS OPTIONS.
SO NOT THE ELEVATED, BUT THE, UM, I THINK IS IT MORE AND MORE BECOMES AN IMPORTANT, UH, ALTERNATIVE TO EVALUATE.
UM, THE REASON THAT I'M SAYING THAT IS BECAUSE IT CAN BE, UM, LESS OBSTRU OBTRUSIVE OVERALL ENVIRONMENTALLY, UM, LESS IMPACT ON STONY.
UM, IT CAN BE A QUICK CONNECTION, UM, TO, UH, TO THE CROSS ISLAND PARKWAY.
UM, IN MY BOOK, IT MAKES A LOT OF SENSE.
IT'S THE LOWEST COST OPTION AS WELL.
AND IT'S, IT ALSO, UM, CUTS THE TIME, UH, OF THE COMMUTE FOR PEOPLE.
SO THAT'S ON THE BYPASS OPTION, I THINK, UH, NEEDS TO BE GIVEN SERIOUS CONSIDERATION.
THREE, UM, THE, THIS WAS VERY FRUSTRATING WHEN I WAS SITTING THERE AND I COULDN'T TALK.
THE GRADING, UH, MATRIX THAT YOU'VE PRODUCED IN MY BOOK, EVEN THOUGH YOU MAY HAVE WEIGHTED SOME OF THE OPTIONS, IS REALLY COMPARING APPLES AND ORANGES.
YOU CANNOT ADD UP THESE NUMBERS AND COME TO A NUMBER AND THEN SAY, OKAY, THIS IS 22, THIS IS 21.
THIS IS, SO WE, WE, WE PICKED THIS ONE NUMBER.
I THINK THAT IT'S, UH, RELYING ON THAT MATRIX TO MAKE A DECISION WOULD BE AN EMBARRASSMENT NOT ONLY TO MOLAH, BUT ALSO TO THE TOWN.
AND I WANT TO DO THIS DIFFERENTLY.
I HAVEN'T REALLY THOUGHT ABOUT HOW YOU CAN COMPARE ALL THESE ITEMS, BUT YOU CANNOT ADD NUMBERS.
AND THEN COME TO A CONCLUSION.
NUMBER, NUMBER FOUR, THE BIKE LANE.
UM, I'VE MENTIONED THAT BEFORE.
WE SHOULD DO A COST BENEFIT ANALYSIS OF THE BIKE LANE.
AND, UM, WHETHER FUNDS FOR A BIKE LANE CANNOT BE BETTER ALLOCATED SOMEWHERE ELSE WITH BIKE LANES ON HILTON NET.
UM, I KNOW THAT THERE ARE A LOT OF BIKERS, BUT IN REALITY, IF THERE ARE A HUNDRED, 200 BIKERS, DOES IT REALLY JUSTIFY DOING AN ADDITIONAL LANE ONTO THESE,
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ONTO THESE BRIDGES? UM, I'M STILL NUMBER FIVE ADAPTIVE TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT SYSTEM, AND I KNOW THAT, UH, THE TOWN HAS BEEN WORKING VERY HARD TO GET THAT TO WORK, BUT YOU ARE STILL WORKING IN CLUSTERS.UM, AND THE TWO CLUSTERS AT THE END, UH, OF THE 2 78, THERE'S GOTTA BE A WAY THAT THESE CAN BE CONNECTED DURING PEAK HOURS TO CREATE A BETTER FLOW.
IN ADDITION, IN YOUR SYNCHRO VISUAL MODELING, UM, THERE SHOULD BE, UH, UM, A TIME ELEMENT FOR THE WINDMILL HARBOR LIGHTS, WHICH REALLY STOPS TRAFFIC TO LET TWO CARS THROUGH.
UH, IT'D BE GOOD TO SEE WHAT THAT DOES IF YOU DISABLE THAT LIGHT IN A SENSE, DURING PEAK HOURS AND ENABLE IT, UH, BEYOND THAT.
NUMBER SIX, THE BOW TIE ALTERNATIVE.
I QUESTION WHETHER THAT ACTUALLY WOULD WORK.
UM, AND AGAIN, IF YOU CAN TEST THAT IN YOUR, IN YOUR SIMULATION MODELS, HOW MANY CARS DOES THE BOW TIE ACTUALLY HOLD DURING PEAK HOURS? IS IT ENOUGH? HAVE YOU, HAVE YOU GONE INTO THOSE NUMBERS? AND, UM, IF NOT, CAN YOU DO THAT? UM, AND OF COURSE, I THINK THAT YOU'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT NUMBER SEVEN, ELEVATED BYPASS, WHETHER, UM, UH, WHAT THE COST PICTURE IS ON THAT, WHETHER IT MAKES SENSE AT ALL.
BUT MOST IMPORTANTLY, HAVE WE, UM, CUED WITH DOT AS A POTENTIAL, UH, SOLUTION? AND WHAT IS THEIR OPINION? IF, IF DOT SHOOTS IT DOWN FOR A WHOLE BUNCH OF REASONS, UH, IT'S ALL NICE TO THINK ABOUT IT.
UM, BUT IT'S NOT GONNA WORK, UH, AT THAT POINT.
UM, THE, UM, LAST THING I HAVE IS THE FOUR 25 MILLION, WHICH HAS BEEN MENTIONED AS A NUMBER.
UM, WE WENT FROM 290 MILLION TO FOUR 25 MILLION, WHICH IS A 50% INCREASE.
UM, WHERE DOES THAT COME FROM? HOW IS THAT PUT TOGETHER? IT'S NOT JUST A QUESTION I HAVE, BUT I THINK IT'S A QUESTION FOR THE GENERAL PUBLIC AND FOR, AT THE END OF THE DAY FOR PEOPLE TO, UM, BUY INTO WHATEVER ALTERNATIVE WE COME UP WITH.
SO I THINK THE, ALL THESE POINTS I'D LIKE, UH, LAMU TO CONSIDER, TAKE IT INTO ACCOUNT AND WHERE APPLICABLE, UH, TIME ONTO YOUR SIMULATION MODELS.
SO WE'LL MOVE INTO UNFINISHED BUSINESS.
AND SEAN, I'LL LET YOU GO AHEAD AND TAKE OVER, UH, THANK YOU MAYOR COMMITTEE.
AND, UH, THANK YOU FOR ALL AGREEING TO MEET ON, UH, LATE NOTICE.
UM, AFTER A LONG HERITAGE WEEKEND, UH, THAT ACTUALLY DIDN'T FINISH TILL THIS MORNING.
UM, AT THE LAST COMMITTEE MEETING, LOCK WHEELER PRESENTED FOUR ALTERNATIVES THAT THEY THOUGHT WERE VIABLE, UH, TO ADVANCE FOR ADDITIONAL, UM, EVALUATION.
UM, THEY DID A COMPARATIVE ASSESSMENT OF THOSE ALTERNATIVES, AND THE COMMITTEE, UM, ASKED FOR SOME ADDITIONAL INFORMATION, UM, RELATED TO COST RELATED TO PROPERTY IMPACT BOTH THE PUBLIC AND PRIVATE LANDS.
AND LOCK MUELLER HAS DEVELOPED THAT ADDITIONAL INFORMATION, UM, ALONG WITH, UM, A THIRD BIT OF INFORMATION RELATED TO CONSTRUCTION PERIOD, UM, BASED ON THEIR PROFESSIONAL, UM, OPINION OF THE PROJECTS AT ANN.
SO, UM, I'D LIKE TO TURN IT OVER, UH, TO NATE AND HIS TEAM.
UM, WE'VE ALSO GOT BRAD STRADER AND BRIAN KINSMAN ON THE CALL, UM, HERE.
BUT, UH, TURN OVER TO NATE AND HIS TEAM TO GO THROUGH THAT ADDITIONAL INFORMATION, UH, ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT THE COMMITTEE HAD, AND, UH, MAKE A COUPLE OF POINTS THAT, UM, MR. ADVOCATE MADE JUST FOR CLARITY.
UM, BECAUSE THERE'S A COUPLE THINGS THAT LOCK MUELLER IS NOT, IT'S NOT WITHIN THEIR SCOPE TO PERFORM, UH, ESPECIALLY THE FUNDING AND FINDING ADDITIONAL FUNDING FOR THIS PROJECT.
UM, BUT I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S CLEAR, UM, AT THIS TIME.
UH, MAYOR PERRY, MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE, THANK YOU ALL FOR HAVING US ONCE AGAIN.
UH, FOR THE LOCK MUELLER TEAM, WE HAVE KATE SWINFORD AND MICHELLE ROMA JOINING US.
THEY'RE OUR TRAFFIC ENGINEERING LEADS.
CHAD COSTA IS OUR CHIEF ENVIRONMENTAL ENGINEER, AND THEN LAUREN JACKSON IS ALSO WITH US, AND HE'S OUR CHIEF ROADWAY ENGINEER.
SO WE HAVE THE SUBJECT EXPERTISE, UH, FOR ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE AS WE'RE GOING THROUGH THE PRESENTATION.
UM, AS SEAN MENTIONED, THE AS AN ACTION ITEM FROM THE APRIL 10TH MEETING, YOU ALL ASKED US TO PUT TOGETHER SOME INFORMATION RELATED TO THE PARCELS OF RIGHT OF WAY THAT WOULD GO BEYOND WHAT THE DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION'S ALTERNATIVE WOULD REQUIRE.
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WHAT YOU'D ASK US TO DO IS DELINEATE BETWEEN PUBLIC AND PRIVATE PARCELS, AND WE HAVE THAT NUMBER, THOSE NUMBERS FOR YOU.WE'VE ALSO PREPARED HIGH ORDER OF MAGNITUDE COST ESTIMATES, AS WELL AS ESTIMATES FOR THE CONSTRUCTION DURATION.
AND THEN WE HAVE A, A MATRIX AT THE END OF THE PRESENTATION THAT HAS EVERYTHING INCORPORATED INTO THAT.
SO THIS ON THE NEXT FEW SLIDES, THIS IS JUST MORE JUST TO REMIND EVERYBODY WHAT THE ALTERNATIVES ARE.
THESE WITH THE NUMBERS, AS WE MENTIONED BEFORE, IS NOT A RANKING RIGHT NOW, IT'S JUST THE ORDER IN WHICH WE'VE, UH, WENT THROUGH OUR ANALYSIS ALTERNATIVE.
ONE IS THE S-E-D-O-T MODIFIED RECOMMENDED PREFERRED ALTERNATIVE.
WE ASSUMED THE GEOMETRY THAT WAS WITHIN THEIR STUDY WEST OF CROSS ISLAND PARKWAY.
HOWEVER, WITH OUR STUDY, THE BIGGEST, THE BIG DIFFERENTIATOR IS NOT ONLY TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION OUR VOLUMES, OUR TIMINGS, OUR EVALUATIONS OF THE INTERSECTIONS, BUT WE ALSO HAVE INCLUDED GUMTREE ROAD INTO OUR, UM, ANALYSES.
ALTERNATIVE TWO ARE THE BOW TIE OPTIONS.
THOSE ARE THE DUAL ROUNDABOUTS, UM, NORTH AND SOUTH OF WILLIAM HILTON PARKWAY.
THAT, UH, THE GOAL OF THAT WAS TO REMOVE THE LEFT TURNS FROM THE MAIN LINE, THEREFORE, EFFECTIVELY TURNING INTO TWO FACE SIGNALS, HELPING INTERSECTION OPERATION CONDITIONS, AS WELL AS, UH, PROVIDING BETTER PEDESTRIAN, UH, TRAVEL WAYS MAKE IT A LITTLE BIT SAFER, PROVIDING REFUGE ISLANDS.
AND EVEN THOUGH IT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE OF A CIRCUITOUS PATTERN, THERE'S A TABLE THAT WE SHOW HERE IN JUST A LITTLE BIT.
IT SHOWS THAT IT IMPROVES THE OVERALL TRAVEL TIMES.
ALTERNATIVE THREE WERE THE ECHELONS AND CENTER TURNOVER PASSES.
THESE WERE OUR OPTIONS WITH VERTICAL GRADE SEPARATION AT EITHER SQUIRE POPE OR SPANISH WELLS ROAD.
UM, I KNOW KATE HAS WENT INTO THESE IN GREAT DETAIL.
I WON'T BELABOR THEM, BUT EFFECTIVELY TRYING TO THROUGH GREAT SEPARATING, IT'S CREATING TWO, TWO PHASE SIGNALS, AGAIN TO HELP WITH INTERSECTION, UH, EFFICIENCY AND ALSO ALLOWING FOR PEDESTRIAN REFUGE ISLANDS UNDERNEATH THE INTERSECTIONS THEMSELVES.
AND THEN ALTERNATIVE FOUR IS THE ELEVATED BYPASS.
AND WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO IS JUST TAKE A FEW MOMENTS AND JUST MAKE SURE EVERYBODY, UM, UNDERSTANDS MAYBE THE TIE IN POINTS AND THE GEOMETRY IS ASSOCIATED WITH THAT.
I KNOW WE HAVEN'T MAYBE DONE THAT QUITE YET.
UM, SO THERE'S A FEW SLIDES THAT ARE FOLLOWING.
SO JUST SO EVERYBODY'S UNDERSTANDING WHAT WE'RE, UM, BRINGING FORTH FOR CONSIDERATION, THE ELEVATED BYPASS, THE CENTER, THERE WOULD BE TWO LANES EASTBOUND AND TWO LANES WESTBOUND.
THOSE WOULD RESIDE WITHIN THE INNER PORTIONS OF THE CORRIDOR.
SO AS YOU COME OFF OF THE, THE CAUSEWAY HERE FROM JENKINS ISLAND, THE INNER TWO LANES WOULD BE TWO EASTBOUND LANES THAT WOULD BE ELEVATED, THAT WOULD CONTINUE OVER THE CRAZY CRAB ENTRANCE, CONTINUE OVER SQUI PULP ROAD.
CONVERSELY, WE WOULD HAVE THE TWO INNER LANES WOULD BE ELEVATED GOING OVER THESE TWO LOCATIONS, AND IT WOULD TIE BACK IN AGAIN PRIOR TO THE CAUSEWAY.
THROUGHOUT THE CORRIDOR, WE HAVE, UH, A SINGLE EASTBOUND AND A SINGLE WESTBOUND LANE ALLOWING ACCESS, FULL ACCESS TO THE INTERSECTIONS THEMSELVES.
YOU SEE THIS BLACK AREA THAT'S JUST TO INDICATE, AND I'LL SHOW THIS ON A, UH, ANOTHER SLIDE AND WE'LL ZOOMED IN OF WHAT THE GEOMETRY WOULD BE.
AND ALONG THE CORRIDOR, AGAIN, IT WOULD BE, UH, TWO LANES EASTBOUND, TWO LANES WESTBOUND IN THE CENTER OF THE CORRIDOR DOWN JUST A LITTLE BIT.
AND THE NEXT SLIDE WILL KIND OF SHOW HOW EVERYTHING IS GONNA WORK AT THE CROSS ISLAND PARKWAY.
BUT AGAIN, SINGLE LANES, EASTBOUND, SINGLE LANE WESTBOUND, AND ALLOWING LEFT TURN POCKETS AT ALL THE INTERSECTIONS TO MAINTAIN THAT LEFT TURN.
UM, HOPEFULLY EVERYBODY CAN SEE, I KNOW IT'S A LITTLE BIT ZOOMED OUT, BUT I'LL JUST WALK THROUGH IT.
SO IF WE'RE TRAVELING EASTBOUND, AS YOU APPROACH THE MOTORIST WOULD'VE THREE OPTIONS.
ONE, THEY COULD EXIT OFF HERE TO GET BACK DOWN TO GUMTREE AT GRADE, OR THEY COULD REMAIN ELEVATED TO GO OVER THE NEW BYPASS.
THAT WOULD GO OVER THE EXISTING CROSS ISLAND PARKWAY TRAVEL OVER GUMTREE ROAD, WHICH I'LL SHOW ON ANOTHER SLIDE.
OR THEY COULD ACCESS THE EXISTING CROSS ISLAND PARKWAY.
ULTIMATELY CONTINUES SOUTH TO THE SOUTH END OF THE ISLAND WESTBOUND.
THESE, UH, THERE WOULD BE TWO LANES THAT WOULD MERGE INTO ONE AT THIS LOCATION, AND THEN ALSO THE EXISTING CROSS ISLAND PARKWAY, AS WE ALL KNOW, IT MERGES INTO ONE AT THIS LOCATION.
SO THAT WOULD BE OUR TWO LANES, A TRAVEL WESTBOUND.
AND THEN AT GRADE FROM GUMTREE ROAD, AS THERE ARE EXISTING, WE HAVE TWO WESTBOUND LANES THAT COME UP TO GUMTREE.
AND THEN I'LL SHOW, UH, A SUBSEQUENT SLIDE THAT THAT WOULD CONTINUE ON.
BUT THAT FIRST, UH, ONE OF THE LANES WOULD DROP OFF AT OLD WILDHORSE AS WE APPROACH GUMTREE ROAD.
AND AGAIN, WE WOULD HAVE AT GRADE TRAVEL LANES SIMILAR TO WHAT'S IN PLACE TODAY.
THE ELEVATED BYPASS WOULD GO OVER THE EXISTING CROSS ISLAND PARKWAY TRAVEL OVER GUMTREE, AND THEN IT WOULD TIE DOWN, TIE DOWN WEST OF WILBORN.
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THE AT GRADE LANES FROM GUMTREE WOULD COME IN PARALLEL.AND THEN AGAIN, WHERE THIS TIES IN WEST OF WILBORN FROM A WESTBOUND PERSPECTIVE, WE WOULD BEGIN THE TRANSITION UPWARD WEST OF WILBORN TO WHERE THE TWO ELEVATED LANES COME IN THIS DIRECTION.
AND THEN THE AT GRADE LANES WEST OF WILBORN GOING TO GUMTREE WOULD REMAIN AS THEY ARE TODAY.
THIS IS A ZOOMED IN VIEW OF THE SQUIRE POPE ROAD INTERSECTION.
AGAIN, THE SINGLE LANE, EASTBOUND SINGLE LANE WESTBOUND, WE CAN HAVE LEFT TURN POCKETS, IT SHRINKS DOWN THE INTERSECTION.
WE COULD HAVE, YOU KNOW, REFUGE ISLANDS RIGHT HERE.
AND THEN THIS PROVIDES AN INTERVIEW OF WHAT THE ELEVATED LANES ARE, LIKEWISE AT SPANISH WELLS.
SIMILAR CONFIGURATION THEN AT GUMTREE ROAD, UM, AS I DISCUSSED, ELEVATED.
ELEVATED, AND THAT'S WITH TIE IN WEST OF WILBORN, ELEVATED LANES WESTBOUND, AND THESE WOULD BE THE AT GRAVE LANES.
SO I WON'T, KATE, UH, OVER THE LAST COUPLE PRESENTATIONS WE'VE OUTLINED, UH, WHAT THE INTERSECTION OPERATING CONDITIONS WOULD BE WITH EACH ALTERNATIVE.
SO I WILL NOT GO INTO GREAT DETAIL ON THIS.
THE REASON I WANTED TO BRING THIS UP WAS, UM, AND I DON'T THINK WE TOUCHED ON AT THE LAST MEETING, WAS WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE REDUCTIONS IN TRAVEL TIME, WHEN YOU COMPARE ALTERNATIVES ONE THROUGH FOUR, THE ELEVATED BYPASS SHOWING THAT, UM, IN THE PEAK CONDITION ONLY BEING A REDUCTION OF 330 SECONDS IN AT FACE VALUE, THAT MAY NOT SEEM LIKE A LOT MORE AS COMPARED TO, YOU KNOW, EVEN IF YOU LOOK AT THE ECHELON OPTION.
WHAT I WANTED TO BRING UP AND EMPHASIZE WITH THAT, THESE ARE DONE USING SYNCHRO SIM TRAFFIC SOFTWARE.
AND IN THIS UNIQUE CONFIGURATION, WHEN YOU HAVE TWO MOVEMENTS, ONE BEING ELEVATED AND ONE AT GRADE, ALL THESE OTHER ONES ARE ESSENTIALLY AT GRADE.
YES, THE ECHELON MAY BE RAISING IT UP, BUT IT'S REALLY A, LIKE ONE CORRIDOR.
THIS OPTION WOULD HAVE ESSENTIALLY TWO RUNNING PARALLEL TO ONE ANOTHER.
AND SO UNFORTUNATELY, ONE OF THE LIMITATIONS OF SYNCHRO IS THAT IT CAN'T MODEL THE ELEVATED PORTION OF IT.
HOWEVER, SHOULD THE, THE TOWN AND COMMITTEE DESIRE TO PURSUE MORE EVALUATIONS OF ALTERNATIVE FOUR SSOM WOULD BE ABLE TO DO THAT.
SO WE COULD, THIS WOULD BE A GR A MORE SIGNIFICANT REDUCTION IF YOU WERE TO LOOK AT THE CORRIDOR BETWEEN MOSS CREEK AND INDIGO RUN.
AND NICK, CAN I ASK YOU A QUESTION? THIS TABLE, SO WHAT DO YOU COMPARE IT WITH? THIS IS 2045, NO BUILD COMPARED TO CORRECT.
COMPARED TO WHAT, WHAT THE, WHAT THE RESULTS ARE FOR EACH OF THE ALTERNATIVES.
SO FOR ALTERNATIVE ONE, UM, FOR EXAMPLE, IN THE AM AND P AND P CAR, YOU CAN SEE THAT THE COMPARED TO ALTERNATIVE ONE, THAT'S S-C-D-O-T, THE, UM, OUR, OUR VERSION OF THE S CDTS, WHICH AGAIN CONSIDERS OUR VOLUMES, OUR TIMINGS, BUT THEN ALSO THE, UM, IMPLEMENTATION OF THE IMPROVEMENTS AT GUMTREE ROAD.
YES, IT'S IN RELATION TO, BUT THE, THE DELTAS PLUSES AND MINUSES ARE IN RELATION TO WHAT THE CONDITIONS WOULD BE IF NOTHING HAPPENS.
SO THE 20, 20 45, NO BUILD IS THE BASE, RIGHT? AND THEN THEY COMPARE EACH OF THESE ALTERNATIVES AGAINST THE 2045 NO BUILD, RIGHT? SO OUT OF THAT, CAN YOU JUST GO BACK TO THE TABLE? SO OUT OF THAT TABLE, UM, YOU GAIN MOST OF THE TIME BY ALTERNATIVE THREE, RIGHT? FROM A, FROM A THROUGHPUT STANDPOINT, BUT AGAIN, EVERYTHING ELSE, BUT JUST ON THE, ON THESE NUMBERS FROM A THROUGHPUT STANDPOINT.
BUT AGAIN, WE WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT THAT THOSE NUMBERS FOR ALTERNATIVE FOUR WILL BE A GREATER REDUCTION IF YOU'RE CONSIDERING THE TRUE ELEVATED FROM A TOUCHDOWN TO TOUCHDOWN.
BUT THE, UM, AS YOU CAN SEE, THESE, THESE ARE REFLECTIVE JUST AT THE AT GRADE INTERSECTION.
SO, UM, FOR, SO WITH ALTERNATIVE FOUR, THAT'S SAYING THAT IF YOU'RE TO REMAIN AT GRADE, YOU WOULD STILL, THE 330 FOR THE WESTBOUND AND THE PM AND 126, THOSE SIGNIFICANT REDUCTIONS, THOSE ARE WHAT'S HAPPENING AT THOSE SMALLER FOOTPRINT INTERSECTIONS.
SO EVEN AT THE AT GRADE INTERSECTIONS, THERE'S SIGNIFICANT DIFFERENCE.
AND ON TOP OF THAT, WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS THAT OVERALL YOU'D SEE A BIGGER NUMBER FOR WHAT IT TAKE FOR SOMEBODY TO TRAVEL FROM MOSS CREEK TO INDIGO RUN, JUST BYPASSING EVERYTHING.
SO THAT THROUGHPUT WOULD BE EVEN A GREATER REDUCTION THAN THAT.
UH, NATE, IF I CAN CHIME IN FOR A MINUTE HERE.
I THINK BASICALLY THE DIFFERENCE WITH THIS, WITH ALTERNATIVE FOUR AND WHY THIS, IT WOULD BE NEEDED TO GET THE TRUE UNDERSTANDING IS SYNCHRO IS THERE FOR MODELING AND INTERSECTION.
WHEN YOU RAISE THOSE LANES, THEY'RE NO LONGER IN AN INTERSECTION.
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A GAUGE OF WHAT THE DELAY IS ON THOSE THROUGH LANES BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT PART OF THE INTERSECTION.SO THIS, THIS NUMBER IS FAR THE, THE LANES WITHIN THE SIGNALIZE INTERSECTION, AND LET THAT EXPLAINS IT A LITTLE BETTER.
YOU STILL HAVE THE, UM, THE WESTBOUND CROSS ISLAND PARKWAY COMING DOWN AS ONE LANE MERGING, MERGING IN TWO.
WHY IS THAT? WHY CAN'T WE HAVE TWO LANES COMING DOWN ON ALTERNATIVE FOUR? OR WHICH ALTERNATIVE? ALTERNATIVE FOUR WITH THE TWO WESTBOUND LANES THAT WERE BEGINNING WEST OF WILBORN COMING IN, AND, AND THEN YOU HAVE THE EXISTING CROSS ISLAND PARKWAY THAT MERGES INTO ONE ANYWAY, THEN WE WOULD JUST HAVE THAT WAY, WE HAVE THE TWO THAT WOULD MERGE IN FROM COMING IN FROM WILT, FROM GUMTREE ROAD AND THEN FROM THE CROSS ISLAND THAT WOULD MERGE INTO THE TWO.
AND WE'VE LOOKED AT THAT FROM, UM, LAUREN.
THAT WAS, THAT WAS, THAT'S CORRECT.
DESCRIPTION OF GEOMETRY, CORRECT.
IT, IT, IT, WE, WE COULD DO MORE, BUT AT SOME POINT YOU NEED TO GET DOWN THE TWO.
AND OUR MODELING IS SHOWING THAT IF YOU DON'T, IF THAT TRAFFIC'S NOT GO APPROACHING THAT INTERSECTION AND GOING THROUGH THAT INTERSECTION, YOU DON'T NEED TO.
PART OF THE ISSUE WITH IT CURRENTLY IS THAT TRAFFIC IS MERGING TOGETHER AND THEN THEY'RE ALSO GETTING STOPPED AT THE INTERSECTION.
IF IT'S, IF IT'S A THROUGH FREE MOVEMENT, THE, THE SITUATION CHANGES AND YOU DON'T HAVE AS MUCH OF A, AN ISSUE WITH THE MERGE.
BUT YEAH, IT, IT COULD BE THAT COULD BE EXPANDED TO BE TWO, TWO LANES.
AND THEN AT SOME POINT BEYOND THAT MERGE, YOU WOULD THEN GO DOWN FROM THREE LANES TO TWO LANES TO CONTINUE ON.
IF YOU DON'T HAVE OVERPASS THEN, AND YOU MERGE THOSE TWO LANES COMING OFF THE CROSS ISLAND PARKWAY, THEN THERE'S NO REASON TO NOT HAVE TWO LANES.
I MEAN, IT'S, THAT, THAT'S WHERE THE BIG SQUEEZE POINT IS, UH, DURING PEAK HOURS.
BUT YOU NEED THE, YOU NEED TO ACCOMMODATE THE LANE COMING FROM GUMTREE FOR AND FROM THE, FROM THE EAST.
SORRY, CAN YOU SAY THAT AGAIN? SO OUR MODELING WAS SHOWING THAT ALL WE NEEDED WAS ONE LANE FOR EACH OF THOSE THAT IT WAS WORKING, IT WAS FUNCTIONING, UH, FINE WITH JUST ONE LANE FOR EACH.
'CAUSE WE, WE TOOK THE TWO LANES COMING WESTBOUND AND WE DROPPED THOSE DOWN TO ONE LANE, YOU KNOW, THE SAME AS DROPPING, UH, THE CROSS ISLAND DOWN TO ONE LANE.
AND THEN THEY COME INTO THEIR OWN LANE.
THEY HAVE THEIR OWN LANE JUSTING TO SEE IT MODELED, THOUGH, I MEAN, SEE WHAT THE EFFECT IS.
'CAUSE I MEAN, YOU'RE, EVEN WITH THE INCREASE IN, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE 50% INCREASE ON THE CROSS ISLAND PARKWAY.
SO THE, THE, THE CRITICAL POINTS ARE JUST AT MERGE.
IF YOU DON'T HAVE A, A STRAIGHT OVERS FROM THE CROSS ISLAND PARKWAY, UM, YEAH, THE, THE, YOU COULD GO, YOU COULD KEEP TWO LANES ON THE CROSS ISLAND AND AS THEY MERGE, YOU WOULD HAVE THREE LANES, AND THEN AT SOME POINT BEYOND THAT DROP DOWN TO THE TWO LANES.
BEYOND THAT POINT, I MEAN, THERE'S, THERE'S ROOM TO DO THAT, UM, MAYOR, BUT OUR MODELING WAS SHOWING THAT IT WASN'T NECESSARY.
UM, I, I, UH, SO, OKAY, I JUST HAD ONE QUESTION.
SO THE EASTBOUND OVERPASS ON THE BUSINESS ROUTE, UM, AS I LOOK AT IT AND IT'S, IT'S IN PLAN VIEW AND THERE'S NO ELEVATION, BUT WOULD THAT ONE THERE, UM, WOULD THAT BE AN OVER AN ELEVATED BYPASS OVER THE EXISTING OVERPASSES? OKAY, SO IT WOULD BE, YES.
UM, IT, YES, IT WOULD GO OVER THE TOP OF THAT.
UH, IT, IT'S ACTUALLY AT GRADE AT THAT POINT.
AND DO WE KNOW HOW OVER THE TOP CROSS AISLE, MUCH HIGHER IT HAS TO BE, I'M SORRY, HOW MUCH HIGHER IT HAS TO BE FOR CLEARANCE? I'M JUST TRYING TO GET A GAUGE 'CAUSE I DRIVE THAT.
AND THEN IF THERE'S ANOTHER ROADWAY THAT'S ABOVE THAT BYPASS, IS IT ANOTHER 15 FEET? UM, HIGHER ISH FROM FROM THE VER YOU'RE GONNA BE, YEAH, I MEAN, IT, IT GENERALLY CLEAR, UH, BRIDGE CLEARANCES ARE 17, 18 FEET PLUS THE THICKNESS OF THE STRUCTURE.
SO I MEAN, YOU'RE FROM EXISTING GR UH, ROADWAY, YOU'RE UP 20, 22 FEET PROBABLY TO THE ROADWAY ABOVE ROADWAY SURFACE ABOVE.
I JUST WANTED TO MAKE THAT POINT.
IF YOU WERE GOING OFF ISLAND ON THE CROSS ISLAND, YOU WOULD HAVE A ANOTHER LANE THAT WOULD BE ABOVE TYING BACK INTO THAT WOULD BE TYING BACK INTO THE BUSINESS ROUTE.
UM, THERE PAST ENTRY, UH, THROUGH THE GRADES OF EACH, UH, APPROACH ON THAT
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OVERPASS, OR WHENEVER YOU CALCULATE THE TIE DOWN POINTS, YOU, YOU TOOK THAT INTO CONSIDERATION.YEAH, WE, WE'VE GOT PLENTY OF DISTANCE TO GET BACK DOWN THERE.
'CAUSE BY THE TIME WE, THE WAY THAT LAYS OUT, BY THE TIME YOU, YOU, YOU GO OVER THAT, BUT THEN YOU CAN IMMEDIATELY START COMING BACK DOWN AND BE JUST WHAT YOU NEED TO GET OVER GUMTREE.
AND THEN FROM THERE, YOU THEN TAPER DOWN TO GET DOWN TO GRADE BEYOND GUMTREE.
SO YOU ONLY HAVE TO GO THAT EXTRA HEIGHT UP TO GET OVER THE CROSS ISLAND, OTHERWISE YOU'D STAY DOWN LOWER THROUGH THE REST OF IT.
AND EVEN BETWEEN, UH, SQUIRE, POPE AND SPANISH WELLS, YOU KNOW, IF YOU DECIDED YOU DIDN'T WANT THE FULL ACCESS AT OLD WILDHORSE, YOU COULD EVEN COME DOWN BACK DOWN CLOSE TO EXISTING GRADE OR AT THE EXISTING GRADE BETWEEN THOSE TWO TO REDUCE THE AMOUNT OF ELEVATED SECTION.
BUT BECAUSE WE'RE SHOWING A, UH, A FULL ACCESS THERE AT AND A BRIDGE AT, UH, AT OLD, UH, WILDHORSE, YOU KNOW, WE WOULD JUST, WE JUST FIGURED IT WOULD STAY ELEVATED INSTEAD OF GOING UP AND BACK DOWN A LOT AND MAKING IT LOOK LIKE A ROLLERCOASTER.
CAN YOU EXPLAIN TO, TO THE COMMITTEE AND TO EVERYBODY HERE, TO WHAT EXTENT THESE THINGS HAVE BEEN DISCUSSED WITH, UH, S-E-D-O-T IN TERMS OF VIABILITY IN, IN, IN TERMS OF WHETHER THEY'RE OPEN TO LOOK AT THESE PLANS? UM, OR, OR IS IT ONLY PUT TOGETHER BY, UH, BY
UH, THAT CONVERSATION WILL COME OUT AFTER LOCK MUELLER, LOCK MUELLER WORKS WITH A COMMITTEE TO IDENTIFY ALTERNATIVES THEY THINK ARE WORTHY TO ADVANCE.
UM, AND THEN ANY DESIGN MODIFICATIONS, UH, OR CONSIDERATION WOULD THEN BE SHARED WITH, UH, BOTH THE COUNTY AND S-C-D-O-T FOR CONSIDERATION AT THAT POINT.
SO WHY NOT? WHY NOT, UH, HAVE, UH, HAVE YOU HAVE A DISCUSSION, SEAN, WITH S-C-D-O-T, UH, OUTSIDE OF THE, UH, TO SEE WHETHER THESE THINGS ARE FEASIBLE AT ALL? I MEAN, IF THEY, IF AT THE END OF THE DAY, SE DOT SAYS, YOU KNOW, EXCUSE ME, BUT, UH, YOU'RE A BIT OFF THE CHART HERE AND WE ARE NOT GONNA PUT THE MONEY UP OR, OR, OR OUR ENGINEERING EXPERTISE DOESN'T REACH ANY OF THOSE ISSUES, UM, BEFORE WE START RUNNING DOWN THAT PATH.
WELL, WE, WE WILL HAVE CONVERSATIONS WITH BOTH THE COUNTY AND S-C-D-O-T, UM, BUT I DON'T KNOW YET WHAT WE'RE ASKING THEM.
UM, WE HAVE AN ALTERNATIVE THAT'S BEEN PRE PRESENTED BY THE COUNTY, UM, AND S-C-D-O-T IS THEIR MANAGING PARTNERS PUT TOGETHER THIS ALTERNATIVE ONE THAT THIS HAS EXTENDED THAT PROJECT AREA.
UM, WHAT I KNOW FROM WHAT WE'VE HEARD PREVIOUSLY IS THAT ANY ADDITIONAL PROPERTY IMPACT WITHIN THE, THE TRADITIONAL CULTURAL PROPERTY AREA, WOULD, IT'D BE DIFFICULT TO GET IT APPROVED THROUGH FEDERAL HIGHWAYS.
AND S-C-D-O-T HAS MENTIONED THAT, UM, UNLESS THERE'S SIGNIFICANT INCREASE IN OVERALL PERFORMANCE OF THE PROJECT, UM, ANYTHING ABOVE THE, UM, THE FUNDING FOR THE CURRENT PROJECT IS DEFINED, UH, BY S-C-D-O-T OR BY THE COUNTY AND S-C-D-O-T WOULD BE A LOCAL REQUIREMENT TO FIND THE ADDITIONAL FUNDS TO PAY FOR THAT.
SO I GET A LITTLE NERVOUS, UM, NOT PERSONALLY, BUT JUST AS TRYING TO ADVANCE FEASIBILITY OF A PROJECT.
IF IT'S, UH, 50 OR A HUNDRED MILLION DOLLARS MORE FOR ONE OF THESE ALTERNATIVES, IT APPEARS AT THIS POINT THE, THE ADDITIONAL FUNDING WOULD FALL BACK TO THE LOCAL COMMUNITY TO MAKE UP THAT DELTA.
UM, AND WE ALREADY KNOW THAT THE ORIGINAL PROJECT COST THAT WAS PUT TOGETHER BASED ON THE DEFICIENT BRIDGE, THE STATE INFRASTRUCTURE BANK, UM, GRANT, AND THEN THE REFERENDUM LEAVE US AT A DEFICIT RIGHT NOW OF A HUNDRED PLUS MILLION DOLLARS.
SO, UM, SO THAT'S WHAT I KNOW THERE HAVE BEEN COMMUNICATIONS, BUT NOT SPECIFICALLY ABOUT, UM, HAVING S-A-D-D-D-O-T VET ALL OF THESE, UM, ENGINEERING SOLUTIONS.
THAT'S WHAT WE'VE ASKED 'EM TO COME UP WITH.
I UNDERSTAND, BUT I DON'T WANNA BELABOR THE POINTS, BUT I WOULD, IF I WERE YOUR SHOES, I PLACE A CALL TO S-C-D-O-T AND SAY, LOOK, THIS IS WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.
ARE WE OFF THE CHARTS? IS IT REASONABLE? IS IT SHOULD BE INVESTIGATED FURTHER?
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I MEAN, SURE, I WOULD, I WOULD SERIOUSLY CONSIDER THAT.UH, I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THE BENEFIT OF THE RESULTS OF THIS MEETING AND, AND THE POSITION OF THE COMMITTEE.
UM, AND WE'LL HAVE SOME ADDITIONAL CONVERSATIONS THIS WEEK.
UH, THE NEXT FEW SLIDES ARE ONES THAT LAUREN WENT OVER AT THE LAST MEETING, JUST WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT WHICH AREAS WE'RE SPEAKING OF WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ADDITIONAL RIGHT OF WAY ABOVE AND BEYOND WHAT WAS WITHIN THE DOTS, THEIR PREFERRED ALTERNATIVES.
SO AGAIN, FOR ALTERNATIVE, OUR ALTERNATIVE ONE, WHAT WE'RE SHOWING THAT WOULD BE IN ADDITION TO THEIRS, WOULD BE THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT WE'RE RECOMMENDING.
UM, AS YOU CAN SEE IN THE NORTHEAST QUADRANT AT GUMTREE ROAD, BECAUSE AGAIN, WE ARE, WE ARE LOOKING AT GUMTREE ROAD, THEY DID NOT.
SO THIS PARCEL THAT YOU SHOW HERE WOULD ALLOW US TO, UH, PROVIDE A ANOTHER SOUTHBOUND LEFT TURN LANE THAT WE'RE FINDING WOULD BE NEEDED TO MAINTAIN ACCEPTABLE INTER INTERSECTION OPERATING CONDITIONS.
ALTERNATIVE TWO ARE THE BOW TIES.
YOU CAN SEE THE WIDENINGS THAT WE WOULD BE REQUIRED FOR THE ROUNDABOUTS NORTH AND SOUTH OF WILLIAM HILTON PARKWAY.
IN ADDITION TO THE PARCEL I JUST MENTIONED AT GUMTREE.
ALTERNATIVE THREE WOULD BE WHAT WOULD BE REQUIRED IF ECHELONS WERE, UM, CONSTRUCTED EITHER AT SQUIRE POPE OR SPANISH WELLS.
AND AGAIN, THE IMPROVEMENTS AT GUMTREE CENTER TURNOVER PASSES.
LIKEWISE, UM, WHAT WOULD BE REQUIRED AT SPANISH WELLS, SQUIRE, POPE, AND GUMTREE ROAD.
AND THEN ALTERNATIVE FOUR, AGAIN, THE, THERE'S NO SLIDE WITH THAT BECAUSE WE, WE FEEL THAT WE COULD VERY LIKELY BE ABLE TO BE WITHIN SC DOT'S PROPOSED RIGHT OF WAY LIMITS.
WE WOULD NOT NEED ANY ADDITIONAL RIGHT OF WAY FOR THE ELEVATED BYPASSES WE HAVE SHOWN.
AND NATE, BEFORE YOU GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE, BECAUSE IN THIS EVALUATION, WE'VE EXTENDED THE TOWNS PROJECT AREA FOR STUDY THAT THE, THE, THE PROPERTY IDENTIFIED NEAR GUMTREE INTERSECTION IS NOT WITHIN THE TRADITIONAL CULTURAL PROPERTY.
IT'S NOT WITHIN WHAT THE COUNTY AND SED OT HAVE DEFINED AS THE PROJECT AREA.
SO WHILE THERE'S 0.2 ACRES OF ADDITIONAL IMPACT TO TOWN PROPERTY, UM, AT THE GUMTREE, IT, IT DOESN'T INCREASE THE IMPACT WITH THE STONE THROUGH THE STONY COMMUNITY.
SO ALTERNATIVES ONE IN FOUR HAVE NO ADDITIONAL IMPACT WITHIN THE STONY COMMUNITY, BUT ALTERNATIVES TWO AND THREE DO.
AS I MENTIONED IN MY INTRODUCTION, THE ACTION ITEMS THAT YOU ALL BROUGHT FOR OR ASKED US TO PREPARE FOR YOU WERE JUST THE DELINEATION BETWEEN THE PUBLIC AND PRIVATE RIGHT OF WAY PARCELS FOR THOSE, UM, RIGHT OF WAYS I JUST DESCRIBED.
SO JUST WALKING THROUGH FROM LEFT TO RIGHT IN ALTERNATIVE ONE AT 0.2 THAT WE REFERENCED BEFORE, ALL OF THAT IS WITHIN THE, THE PUBLICLY OWNED RIGHT OF WAY ALTERNATIVE TWO OUT OF THE 1.1 ACRES THAT WE REFERENCED BEFORE.
WE HAVE, UM, 0.74 PLUS THE 0.2 AT GUMTREE ROAD.
THAT GIVES US 0.94 OF PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY 0.16 OF PRIVATE RIGHT OF WAY.
ALTERNATIVE THREE WOULD BE 0.6 PLUS THE 0.2 FROM GUMTREE ROAD.
IT WAS MENTIONED ALTERNATIVE ONE PLUS THE 0.54 OF PRIVATE RIGHT OF WAY.
THAT GOT, GIVES US TO 1.4, UM, ACRES OF RIGHT OF WAY THAT WAS, UM, SHOWN AT THE LAST MEETING.
IT'S JUST TO SHOW WHAT THE, UM, UM, OR HOW WE SCORED THAT BASED ON THOSE RESULTS.
AND THEN FROM A COST STANDPOINT, AS, UH, DIETRICH ALLUDED TO, YES, WE DID USE BEAUFORT COUNTY'S 425 MILLION, UM, BUDGET AS A BASE MOVING FORWARD, BUT THEN WE REALLY KIND OF LOOKED AT IT FROM A DELTA STANDPOINT.
UM, LAUREN EVALUATED WHAT HE FELT THE INCREASE WOULD BE, UM, HOW MUCH MORE IT WOULD BE FROM THAT BASE POINT.
SO WE HAD 425 STARTING ALTERNATIVE 1 420 5 MILLION.
AND THEN WE ESTIMATED CONSERVATIVELY THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU TAKE, UM, A MILLION DOLLARS FOR THE IMPROVEMENTS OF GUMTREE.
THAT WOULD BE THE WIDENING, UH, THAT WE SHOWED, UH, SOME INTERNAL INTERSECTION IMPROVEMENTS THAT WOULD NEED TO BE MADE THAT BE, WOULD BE WITHIN RIGHT OF WAY AND COMPLETELY RECONSTRUCTING ALL OF THE SIGNAL INFRASTRUCTURE THERE.
ALTERNATIVE TWO, THE DELTA WOULD BE APPROXIMATELY $4 MILLION.
UM, DIFFERENCE BETWEEN, UM, TO INCORPORATE ALL THE, TO INCORPORATE THE ROUNDABOUTS AS COMPARED TO ALTERNATIVE ONE.
ALTERNATIVE THREE WOULD BE A RANGE OF 15 TO 25 MILLION MORE TO DO.
UM, I THINK ECHELON IS WHAT THAT REFLECTS.
AND THEN ALTERNATIVE FOUR WAS A RANGE OF 120 TO 150
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ADDITIONAL MILLION.UM, AS COMPARED TO THE, UH, ALTERNATIVE ONE SCORING WOULD REFLECT THOSE, UM, ARE THE SAME SCORES THAT YOU SAW LAST TIME AND THEN THE CONSTRUCTION DURATION.
WE FELT THAT THAT WAS WORTH INSERTING THERE AS WELL.
UH, LOOKING THROUGH THE DOCUMENTS, UM, FOR THE PREVIOUS STUDY, THEY SHOWED THAT IT WOULD TAKE APPROXIMATELY THREE YEARS TO CONSTRUCT ALTERNATIVE.
ONE FOUND A DELTA APPROXIMATELY OF TWO MONTHS IF WE WENT WITH ALTERNATIVE TWO, A DELTA OF SIX MONTHS COMPARED TO ALTERNATIVE ONE IF WE WENT WITH THREE.
AND THEN ALTERNATIVE FOUR WAS, UM, JUST ABOUT ANOTHER YEAR WORTH OF CONSTRUCTION.
UH, NATE, UM, I JUST FOR THE RECORD, I I APPRECIATE THE CHARTS AND APPRECIATE CALCULATING OUT THE ACREAGE.
UM, BUT YOU CAN'T ADD UP THESE, THESE RANKINGS.
I MEAN, IT JUST CAN'T ADD UP WRITER SCORE, COST SCORE, UH, CONSTRUCTION, AND THEN, AND THEN RATE THE WHOLE THING ON IT.
I MEAN, IT JUST DOESN'T MAKE SENSE.
AND I THINK BY DOING THAT, WE ALL, UH, WE WOULD BE EMBARRASSED, UH, DOWN THE ROAD.
AND I DO NOT UNDERSTAND WHY YOU DO THIS.
SO I THINK THAT INDIVIDUALLY YOU CAN, YOU CAN COMPARE, UH, THE RIGHT OF WAY AND THE COST SCORE, BUT CAN'T PUT A NUMBER TO IT, IT, TO ME, YOU KNOW, DOESN'T MAKE SENSE.
AND I THINK THAT'S AT THE END OF THE DAY WHEN THIS GETS, UH, UH, EVALUATED IN THE PUBLIC, UM, WE, WE ALL HAVE EGG ON OUR FACE BECAUSE THIS DOESN'T WORK UNLESS YOU CAN CONVINCE ME IT DOES.
WE WE'RE OPEN TO ANY OTHER SORT OF EVALUATION, UH, WAITING OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
THIS IS JUST A STARTING POINT FOR THE FINAL REPORT.
IT, IT'S REALLY UP TO THE COMMITTEE TO DECIDE HOW THEY WANNA WAIT EACH CATEGORY.
SO, YOU KNOW, MAYBE COST IS A LOWER CONSIDERATION THAN RIGHT AWAY.
MAYBE IT'S A HIGHER, BUT THAT CAN BE TAKEN CARE OF WITH WEIGHTING EACH CATEGORY AND THEN ADDING THINGS UP.
YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE DEFINITELY OPEN TO ANY SUGGESTIONS YOU HAVE ON HOW THAT, UH, WAITING WOULD BE DONE.
JUST PUT THIS, USE THE SAME MATRIX, JUST DON'T PUT IN THE SCORES.
AND SAME FOR THE OTHER, OTHER, UH, OVERALL SCORING MATRIX.
I DON'T SEE HOW YOU CAN ESPECIALLY LOOK LOOKING AT IT FROM A SCIENTIFIC PERSPECTIVE, HOW YOU CAN DO THAT.
WELL, LET, LET, LET ME JUMP IN.
UM, WE TRY TO HELP, UH, YOU, YOU'RE, UM, DERICH YOU'RE CORRECT IN THAT BASED ON RIGHT OF WAY IMPACT, THEY'VE RANKED THEM FROM LEAST IMPACT TO MOST IMPACT FROM COST FROM LEAST EXPENSIVE TO MOST EXPENSIVE.
SO THE 1, 2, 3, 4 OR LESS RELEVANT THAN THE, THE NUMBERS, RIGHT? THE COMPARATIVE ASSESSMENT BETWEEN EACH ONE OF THEM.
I DO WANNA SAY AGAIN, IN THE SCOPE OF WORK THAT WAS APPROVED BY THE COMMITTEE AND BY TOWN COUNCIL, IT HAD AN, IT HAD A MATRIX THAT WAS GENERATED INITIALLY BY THE TECHNICAL WORKING GROUP, UM, IN AN RFP DRAFT THAT WAS SUBMITTED, UH, FOR CONSIDERATION.
IT WAS A FOUNDATION FOR PUTTING THIS TOGETHER AND IT ASKED, ASKED FOR A COMPARATIVE, UM, ASSESSMENT AND MATRIX TO EVALUATE THESE, THESE THINGS.
AND SO IT ALSO ASKED THAT THE CONSULTANT TO, TO CONSIDER WHAT WAS IN THE, OR HOW THE MATRIX WAS PUT, WAS PUT TOGETHER.
BUT ALSO IF THEY HAD A DIFFERENT WAY THAT THEY WANTED TO REPRESENT THAT EVALUATION, THEN IT SHOULD BE UP TO THEM TO DO SO.
SO I THINK THEY'VE GIVEN YOU THE INFORMATION.
I'D LIKE THE COMMITTEE'S FEEDBACK ON THE RIGHT OF WAY IMPACT THE COST, THE CONSTRUCTION DURATION AND THE OTHER ELEMENTS TO KNOW IF THERE'S ALTERNATIVES THAT JUST DON'T MAKE SENSE FROM WHAT YOU'RE, WHAT WE'RE SEEING ON THE SCREEN HERE, AND SEAN, IT STILL DOESN'T MAKE SENSE.
YOU CANNOT COMPARE APPLES AND ORANGES.
I MEAN, I CAN, AND WE ARE ALL INTELLIGENT PEOPLE HERE.
YOU CAN MAKE A JUDGMENT, YOU DON'T HAVE TO SCORE IT.
SCORING IT AND ADDING IT UP IS JUST LEADING PEOPLE DOWN THE GARDEN PATH.
I MEAN, COME ON FROM PREVIOUS PROJECT STANDPOINT, UM, THOSE THAT WE SHARED IN OUR STATEMENTS OF QUALIFICATIONS, THESE ARE THE, THESE ARE THE METHODOLOGIES THAT WE'VE USED ON OTHER PROJECTS BEFORE.
AND IF I LOOKING AT THE HISTORICAL DATA ON THIS SPECIFIC PROJECT, I KNOW THAT OTHER CONSULTANTS, OR EVEN FOR THE DOT, THEY, THEY WENT WITH JUST LIKE RED, YELLOW, GREEN.
YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? SO WE FEEL THAT THIS IS EVEN PROVIDES MORE WEIGHTING, IT PROVIDES MORE THOUGHT AND INPUT TOWARD IT.
UM, AGAIN, I APPRECIATE ALL THESE, ALL THE DATA THAT'S IN THERE, BUT I,
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FOR THE RECORD, I DISAGREE WITH PUTTING A SCORING AND ADDING IT UP AND THEN HAVING PEOPLE DECIDE BASED ON THE LOWEST OF THE HIGHEST SCORE.IT JUST, TO ME IT'S, IT'S PULLING THE WOOL OVER PEOPLE'S EYES.
MAY I ON THIS FOR, FROM MY STANDPOINT, THIS IS, IS CRYSTAL CLEAR AND I'M COMING FROM SOMEONE HAD 30 YEARS AN EQUIPMENT MANUFACTURER, 15 OF THOSE 30 YEARS I WAS IN CHARGE OF THE BULLDOZERS FOR AMERICA.
AND OURS WOULD BE ABOUT THE SAME.
SITTING DOWN WITH ENGINEERS, WE'D HAVE A COST AND THEN MANUFACTURING ENGINEER WOULD COME BACK AND SAY, IT'S GONNA TAKE US THESE MANY MONTHS TO BRING YOUR FIRST PRODUCT O OFF THE ASSEMBLY LINE.
SO YOU'RE DOING THE SAME THING.
SO FOR ME, I PERFECTLY UNDERSTAND IT AND PEOPLE THAT HAVE BEEN IN THE ENGINEERING MANUFACTURING SIDE, LOOK AT THIS, EVEN THE CONSTRUCTION SIDE, OKAY, I UNDERSTAND IT.
HOW MANY APPLE, HOW MANY APPLES EQUAL? UH, TWO ORANGES.
MAY, MAY I ADD? UM, YOU KNOW, NATE, I THINK YOU'VE DONE A INCREDIBLE JOB OF TRYING TO, YOU KNOW, EXPLAIN OUR METHODOLOGY AND I'LL JUST ADD ONE MORE, UM, POINT THAT MAYBE WOULD CLARIFY IT.
WE DID A LOT OF WORK WITH THIS COMMITTEE AND INTERNALLY TO DETERMINE WHICH ALTERNATIVES WOULD BE VIABLE FOR THE CORRIDOR.
WE DIDN'T PRESENT ANYTHING TO YOU AS A FINAL ALTERNATIVE OR INCLUDE ANYTHING IN THIS MATRIX THAT DID NOT WORK.
AND SO IF WE DID NOT HAVE SOME SORT OF COMPARISON BETWEEN THESE ALTERNATIVES FOR THESE DIFFERENT CATEGORIES, THE ONLY INFORMATION WE WOULD'VE PROVIDED TO THIS COMMITTEE WOULD'VE BEEN, HERE ARE FOUR OPTIONS.
AND WITHOUT MUCH MORE INFORMATION THAN THAT OR COMPARING THEM IN SOME WAY, WHICH WE HAVE ADDRESSED IN THIS MATRIX, UM, I, I, I PERSONALLY FEEL THAT'S A REALLY TOUGH WAY TO MAKE A DECISION BY SAYING YOU HAVE FOUR OPTIONS.
THEY'RE ALL GREAT OR THEY ALL WOULD WORK.
THAT WAS THE REASON BETWEEN, THAT WAS THE REASON WHY WE COMPARED THEM AGAINST ONE ANOTHER.
SO, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, 1, 2, 3, 4, IT DOES NOT, UM, YOU KNOW, IT DOES NOT MEAN THAT THEY ARE, UH, YOU KNOW, FOUR IS TERRIBLE.
UM, YOU KNOW, CLEARLY IT'S STILL, IT STILL WORKS.
OTHERWISE WE WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN PRESENTING THIS INFORMATION TO YOU OR HAVE IT BE AN ALTERNATIVE THAT MADE IT THIS FAR INTO THE ANALYSIS.
UM, YOU KNOW, SO DIETRICH, YOU ARE, YOU ARE CORRECT THAT THERE ARE, THERE IS, UH, YOU KNOW, SOME, SOME THOUGHT REQUIRED TO ANALYZE THE MATRIX AND THINK ABOUT IT IN THAT PERSPECTIVE.
BUT AGAIN, I WANTED TO JUST CLARIFY, UM, YOU KNOW, WE, WE DID THIS TO TRY AND PROVIDE SOME CONTEXT AND HELP AID IN MAKING A DECISION JUST BECAUSE SOMETHING IS RANKED 1, 2, 3 OR FOUR, ARE THEY ALL STILL GENERALLY CLOSE TO ONE ANOTHER? SURE, SOME CATEGORIES THERE IS A MORE CLEAR SEPARATION BETWEEN SOME ALTERNATIVES.
UM, BUT WE FELT THE COMPARISON WAS IMPORTANT TO BE ABLE TO MAKE A DECISION.
SO TAKING INTO, UH, CONSIDERATION THE INFORMATION, UH, AS ACTION ITEMS, UH, SPECIFICALLY, UM, THE INFORMATION THAT WE PROVIDED TO YOU ALL, UM, RELATES SPECIFICALLY TO THE RIGHT OF WAY IMPACT, UM, ROW THE SECOND ONE FROM THE TOP.
UH, THIS MATRIX IS VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT YOU SAW ON APRIL THE 10TH.
UM, JUST STARTING FROM THE TOP, UM, BASED ON THE INFORMATION WE'VE GATHERED, THE TASKS THAT WE'VE COMPLETED SINCE OUR MEETING, THE TRAFFIC OPERATING, UH, TRAFFIC OPERATIONS DID NOT CHANGE FROM WHAT WAS SHOWN PREVIOUSLY, THE RIGHT OF WAY IMPACT, EVEN THOUGH WE PROVIDE YOU MORE CLARIFICATION AS TO WHAT, UH, THE DELINEATION THAT DID NOT CHANGE THE RANKINGS, ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS SAFETY BIKE AND PEDESTRIANS DID NOT CHANGE.
UM, I DID WANT TO JUST PAUSE A MOMENT AND JUST, UH, IN ORDER TO BE TRANSPARENT, THE COMMUNITY SOCIAL IMPACTS, THE PREVIOUS SLIDE THAT WE SHARED FROM LEFT TO RIGHT SHOWED 1, 4, 4 AND THREE.
AND UM, IN HINDSIGHT THAT WAS A, I THINK KATE DID A GREAT JOB AT THE, THE PREVIOUS MEETING DESCRIBED, UM, DESCRIBING HOW WE RANK THESE WHEN SOMETHING WAS CLOSE TO BEING TIED.
UM, YOU CAN SEE AT THE TOP, LIKE THE 1 3, 3 4, I WON'T BELABOR THAT, UM, IN TERMS OF WHAT, HOW WE GRADED IT, BUT THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN IN HINDSIGHT, THAT SHOULD HAVE ACTUALLY BEEN, UH, 1, 4, 4 AND TWO.
BUT THEN ONCE WE REALIZED THAT WE TOOK A, UM, JUST ANOTHER CLOSER LOOK AT THE COMMUNITY AND SOCIAL SUBCATEGORIES AND UM, I WON'T GO INTO GREAT DETAILS, BUT THOSE INCLUDED RELOCATIONS RIGHT OF WAYS, NEIGHBORHOODS, ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE, CULTURAL RESOURCES, AND SECTION FOUR F RESOURCES.
AND WE DID FIND OVER THE LAST WEEK OR SO THAT THERE WAS JUST A LITTLE BIT OF A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN ALTERNATIVES TWO AND THREE.
SO THAT'S WHY THIS SLIDE SHOWS THE RANKING THAT IT DOES NOW WITH THE 1 3, 4 2 RESPECTIVELY,
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UH, THE AESTHETIC SCORE DID NOT CHANGE.WE PROVIDE YOU MORE INFORMATION, BUT THE OVERALL SCORE DID NOT CHANGE.
AND THEN WE DID ADD THE CONSTRUCTION DURATION.
SO IF WE USE THE METHODOLOGY THAT WE'VE, LET ME PULL THIS DOWN, WHEREAS BEFORE I BELIEVE IT SHOWED, UM, PAUSE, I DON'T HAVE THAT IN FRONT OF ME.
THE 19, THIS IS FROM THE LAST MEETING PREVIOUSLY OR IT SHOWED 2022.
APOLOGIZE, I DON'T HAVE THAT IN FRONT WITH THE, I HAVE IT HERE.
THE PREVIOUS SLIDE ON THE, IN APRIL THE 10TH THAT SHOWED 19 21, 25 AND 19.
BUT WITH ADDING THAT CHANGE THAT I SPOKE ABOUT WITH THE COMMUNITY SOCIAL IMPACT AND THEN ADDING IN THIS SECOND ROW, YOU CAN SEE HOW IT CHANGED THE RESULTS WHEN WE ADD THESE UP.
UM, AND THEN NOW THE OVERALL RANKING IN TERMS, UM, OF IMPACT WOULD BE ALTERNATIVE ONE.
AND THEN SHOWING THAT ALTERNATIVES TWO AND FOUR HAVE SIMILAR SCORES AND THEN ALTERNATIVE THREE WOULD REMAIN IN THE POSITION OF FOURTH.
NATE, HOW DO YOU, UM, HERE YOU HAVE, UM, ALTERNATIVE ONE COMMUNITY AND SOCIAL IMPACT.
I THINK IT HAS, HOW DO YOU GET TO THE ONE? 'CAUSE IT HAS SIGNIFICANT IMPACT ON STONY, DOESN'T IT? WHY? THIS IS WHAT I
SO NOW YOU ARE, UM, YOU ARE CONCLUDING THAT ONE ALTERNATIVE IS BETTER OVER ANOTHER BY JUST ADDING UP THESE NUMBERS.
CHAD CAN CHIME IN MORE, I'M SURE AS TO THE DETAILS OF HOW THAT PARTICULAR LINE WAS ARRIVED AT.
AND THE LAST SLIDE DECK CERTAINLY WENT THROUGH MUCH GREATER DETAIL WITH THE SPECIFICS INTO HOW WE CAME TO THIS CONCLUSION.
BUT TO ANSWER YOUR POINT, DIRECTLY, DIETRICH, THESE SCORINGS WERE COMPARED TO WHAT, UM, HAS ALREADY BEEN APPROVED, RIGHT? THE IMPACTS THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN DEEMED OKAY OR ACCEPTABLE, UH, WE DID NOT FIND AN ALTERNATIVE THAT WOULD GENERALLY REQUIRE LESS IMPACTS THAN WHAT HAS ALREADY BEEN DESIGNED OR CONSIDERED.
AND SO THAT'S WHY ALTERNATIVE ONE WAS SCORED AS A ONE, MEANING THAT IT GENERALLY IS, UM, THE, WITHIN THE LINES OF WHAT HAS CURRENTLY BEEN APPROVED.
ALTERNATIVE TWO ALSO GENERALLY STAYS WITHIN THE LINES OF WHAT CURRENTLY HAS BEEN APPROVED, BUT HAS A BIT, A BIT MORE IMPACT, WHICH IS WHY IT WAS SCORED AS NUMBER TWO IN THIS LINE.
AND THEN SUBSEQUENTLY ALTERNATIVE TWO WAS GOING TO REQUIRE A LITTLE BIT MORE RIGHT AWAY OUTSIDE OF WHAT HAS ALREADY BEEN APPROVED.
AND IN THIS CONTEXT RIGHT AWAY EQUALS IMPACT TO A CERTAIN DEGREE.
AND THEN ALTERNATIVE THREE REQUIRED MORE OF THOSE IMPACTS, UH, MORE RIGHT AWAY THAN THE OTHER ONES.
SO THAT WAS THE LENS, THE CONTEXT IN WHICH WE ANALYZED THIS ROW.
UH, THERE WAS NOT A SOLUTION THAT WE WERE ABLE TO COME UP WITH THAT ADDRESSED ALL THE OTHER CONCERNS AND ALSO TOOK LESS RIGHT OF WAY LOOKING AT THE CORRIDOR HOLISTICALLY.
SO THAT'S WHY THE SCORING WAS THE WAY IT WAS.
YEAH, I THINK YOU HIT IT RIGHT ON THE HEAD, KATE.
I MEAN, IT WAS SPECIFICALLY LOOKING AT ADDITIONAL DIRECT ENCROACHMENT ON TOP OF WHAT S-C-D-O-T WAS, UH, PROPOSING.
AND SO THAT'S, THAT'S HOW WE ARRIVED AT THE SCORING THAT, THAT WE'RE SEEING HERE FROM A COMMUNITY AND SOCIAL PERSPECTIVE.
AND AGAIN, IT'S NOT VETTING IT THROUGH ANY RESOURCE AGENCIES OR THROUGH THE PUBLIC THAT'S JUST LOOKING AT IT, UH, LOOKING AT EACH ALTERNATIVE AND APPLYING SOME THOUGHT BEHIND IT AS TO WHAT THIS COULD MEAN TO THE COMMUNITY AND SOCIAL ENVIRONMENT.
AND A SCORE OF ONE DOES NOT AT ALL INSINUATE THAT THERE WILL BE ZERO IMPACTS, CORRECT? WELL, I MEAN, I, I JUST FIND THIS, UM, CREDIBILITY OF THAT MATRIX, UM, VERY WOBBLY TO SAY THE LEAST.
AND I THINK I'M JUST LOOKING AT IT AS A NON-TRAFFIC PERSON.
UM, I THINK OTHER PEOPLE WILL HAVE THE SAME VIEW.
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PLUS I THINK THAT'S STILL THE ON ON-GRADE ALTERNATIVE BYPASS, UM, SHOULD ALSO, UH, RECEIVE EQUAL ATTENTION.AND, UM, I WOULD LIKE TO ASK, UM, LOCK MUER OR THE TOWN TO REALLY GIVE THAT SERIOUS CONSIDERATION.
THE TWO POINTS JUST, UM, TO RE UM, REFRESH EVERYONE'S MEMORY AS TO WHAT WAS INCLUDED IN THE LAST PRESENTATION.
CHAD WENT OVER IN DETAIL HOW WE CAME TO THESE SCORES.
SO YES, IT JUST SAYS 1, 2, 3, 4, BUT THERE'S A LOT OF, UM, THOUGHT THAT GOES INTO THAT.
AND CHAD WENT TO BROKE IT DOWN, PEARL ALTERNATIVE ECOLOGICAL SOCIAL IMPACT, WE GOT RESULTS.
AND THEN HE EVEN WENT TO ANOTHER DEGREE OF THEN WEIGHTING THEM, UM, BASED ON SECTION 1 0 6, SECTION FOUR F AND COMMUNITY AND SOCIAL PROVIDING HIS OWN, UH, WEIGHTING IN THAT TO BE AS CONSERVATIVE AS POSSIBLE.
SO, UH, YES, THE RESULTS ARE NUMBERS, BUT THERE'S A LOT OF THOUGHT AND DATA THAT'S WENT INTO THAT THAT WE'LL BE INCLUDING IN THE ULTIMATE REPORT AS WELL THAT YOU CAN POUR OVER.
UM, BUT A LOT OF DETAIL DID GO INTO THAT.
AND THEN FROM A CHAD, WOULD YOU, UM, DIETRICH BROUGHT UP THE, UH, THAT THE SOUTHERN OR THE AT GRADE BYPASS OPTION, COULD YOU JUST TAKE A FEW MINUTES AND SPEAK TO WHAT YOU HAVE NOTED IN TERMS OF THE IMPACTS, UM, THAT WOULD BE RELATED TO THE ENVIRONMENTAL SIDE OF THINGS, IF SOMETHING WAS PURSUED ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF WILLIAM HILTON PARKWAY SURE.
WHICH IS INCLUDED, IT'S STILL WITHIN THE STONY COMMUNITY.
SO, SO WHAT TO KEEP IN MIND WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A, A BYPASS LANE ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF WILLIAM HILTON PARKWAY IS THAT THIS IS STILL AT THE END OF THE DAY, IT'S, IT'S STILL A SOUTH CAROLINA PROJECT THAT IS FEDERALIZED, MEANING IT HAS, UH, OVERSIGHT BY FEDERAL HIGHWAY ADMINISTRATION AND, AND FEDERAL HIGHWAY ADMINISTRATION HAS TO ENSURE ALL THEIR, UH, POLICIES AND RULES AND GUIDANCES ARE ADHERED TO.
AND, UH, ONE I WILL SPEAK TO DIRECTLY HERE, AND IT IS INCLUDED IN THE MATRIX.
UH, NICK OR NICK, SORRY, NATE, DIDN'T MEAN TO CALL YOU NICK THERE, NATE POINTED IT OUT AS SECTION FOUR F.
SO SECTION FOUR F DEALS, SPECIFICALLY WITH THE US DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION ACT IS REALLY FOCUSED ON NOT SO MUCH PUBLIC VERSUS PRIVATE OWNERSHIP OF LAND, BUT WHETHER SOMETHING IS IN A TRANSPORTATION USE OR NOT A TRANSPORTATION USE.
SO WHAT A FOUR F PROPERTY IS, IS A PROPERTY DISTRICT, UH, THAT WAS FOUND TO BE ELIGIBLE OR LISTED ON A NATIONAL REGISTER.
THAT'S ONE TYPE OF FOUR F PROPERTY.
AND THE SECOND ONE IS A PUBLIC PARK THAT'S PUBLICLY OWNED AND MAINTAINED AND ACCESSIBLE TO THE PUBLIC.
UH, ALSO TRAILS THAT ARE, UM, UH, PUBLICLY OWNED AND DESIGNATED FOR RECREATIONAL PURPOSES.
OUR FOUR F RESOURCES, WILDLIFE REFUGES, OUR FOUR F RESOURCE GENERALLY HAS GEN SECTION FOUR IS GENERALLY ABOUT PUBLIC RECREATION RESOURCES AND THEN ADDED LAYER OF CULTURAL RESOURCES.
SO, UH, CULTURAL RESOURCES THAT ARE IMPORTANT ENOUGH TO BE CONSIDERED AT LEAST ELIGIBLE FOR THE NATIONAL REGISTER.
SO WHEN YOU LOOK ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF WILLIAM HILTON PARKWAY, WE HAVE THE STONY TRADITIONAL CULTURAL PROPERTY THAT'S A FOUR F RESOURCE.
WE HAVE, UM, THE OLD SCHOOLHOUSE PARK THERE, 1 52 WILLIAM HILTON PARKWAY, WHICH WAS ALSO CONSIDERED IN THE S-E-D-O-T IS DRAFT EA.
AND THEN JUST ON THE OTHER SIDE OF JARVIS CREEK, WE HAVE, UH, PROPERTY KNOWN AS THE HONEY HORN PLANTATION, WHICH WAS FOUND TO BE ELIGIBLE FOR THE NATIONAL REGISTER AT THE TIME, UH, CROSS ISLAND PARKWAY WAS CONSTRUCTED.
UM, SO RIGHT THERE WE HAVE THREE FOUR F RESOURCES THAT WOULD BE IMPACTED BY A, A SOUTH BYPASS LANE.
UM, AND AGAIN, THE GENERAL S SCHEMATICS I'VE SEEN ON THIS SHOW THE LINE, THE CONCEPTUAL LINE GOING THROUGH AREAS THAT ARE NOT DESIGNATED AS TRANSPORTATION USE RIGHT NOW.
SO THAT WOULD BE A CONVERSION FROM AN ON TRANSPORTATION USE TO A TRANSPORTATION USE.
IF S-C-D-O-T WERE TO ADOPT THAT, THAT, THAT WOULD REQUIRE A DIFFERENT LEVEL OF ANALYSIS CALLED AN INDIVIDUAL SECTION
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FOUR F ANALYSIS, WHICH IN AND OF ITSELF COULD REQUIRE 12 TO 18 MONTHS JUST TO STUDY AND PROVE THAT THERE'S NO OTHER ALTERNATIVES THAT AVOID OR MINIMIZE IMPACTS TO THOSE FOUR F RESOURCES.UM, AND THAT'S GONNA BE PROBABLY A LITTLE BIT DIFFICULT TO PROVE WHEN THE S-E-D-O-T HAS THE OPTION ON THE TABLE.
NOW THAT DOES MINIMIZE IMPACTS TO THOSE, UH, PROPERTIES.
NOW THE, THE BENEFIT TO ALTERNATIVE FORWARD THAT WE'VE PUT FORWARD THE ELEVATED BYPASS LANE IS THAT IT DOESN'T ADD ANY CONVERSION OF THOSE FOUR F RESOURCES BECAUSE IT'S ALL WITHIN, UH, THE EXISTING FOOTPRINT, WHAT IS ALREADY SC DT RIGHT OF WAY OR WILL BECOME IS ALREADY ACCOUNTED FOR IN SC DOT'S ANALYSIS TO DATE.
SO, UM, THAT, AND I JUST FOCUS SPECIFICALLY ON FOUR F I'M HAPPY TO DROP IN THE CHAT HERE FOR ANYONE THAT WANTS TO LOOK AT, UH, SECTION FOUR F IN THEIR SPARE TIME, I CAN DROP THE LINK TO FEDERAL HIGHWAYS, UH, FOUR F UM, REQUIREMENTS.
UM, BUT THAT, THAT WAS THE BIG OBSTACLE THAT I POINTED OUT TO NATE.
IF WE WERE TO LOOK AT A SOUTHERN BYPASS LANE, IS JUST THE TIME AND THE EFFORT AND WHETHER FEDERAL HIGHWAY WOULD EVEN APPROVE THAT, KNOWING THAT THERE ARE OTHER ALTERNATIVES THAT WOULD FULFILL THE PROJECT'S PURPOSE AND NEED AND MINIMIZE IMPACTS TO THOSE FOUR F RESOURCES.
I, I APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENTS AND I WILL LOOK INTO FOUR F, BUT IF I TAKE A STEP BACK AND I LOOK AT A FOUR LANE ELEVATED BYPASS VERSUS A, UH, ONE OR TWO LANE OR TWO OR FOUR LANE, UM, ON GRADE BYPASS, AND YES, I WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH, UH, MOSTLY TOWN OWNED PROPERTY AND A AND A AND SOME TENNIS COURTS.
UM, YOU KNOW, WHERE THERE'S A WILL, THERE'S A WAY, I MEAN LET'S, LET'S PUT THAT NEXT TO YOUR ELEVATED, UH, BYPASS BECAUSE IT'S A, IT'S AN ALTERNATIVE THAT IS LEASE COST LEAST IMPACT ON STONY AND IT HAS BEEN COMMUNICATED WITH STONY, WHEREAS THE ELEVATED BYPASS HAS NOT BEEN COMMUNICATED WITH STONY SOMETHING THAT ALSO NEEDS TO BE, UM, BE DONE.
UM, AND IT'S A QUICK WAY TO CONNECT PEOPLE TO THE, UM, TO THE COAST ISLAND PARKWAY AND YOU AVOID ALL THE LIGHTS.
SO TO ME IT HAS ALWAYS ELEMENTS IN THERE AND I THINK IF WE DON'T EVALUATE IT, PEOPLE ARE ARE GOING TO ASK US WHY, WHY WE DIDN'T DO THAT.
AND UH, TO ME, THE ISSUES THAT YOU'RE PUTTING FORWARD IN TERMS OF, UH, PROPERTY OWNED BY CERTAIN ENTITIES, UM, LET'S, LET'S PUT THAT DOWN ON PAPER AND SEE WHAT IT REALLY IS.
AND I THINK HERE WE ARE, UH, AT THIS POINT WHERE WE NEED TO SEE THAT FROM AT THE BEGINNING OF THE PROJECT.
UM, REALLY THE DECEMBER MEETING, YEAH, WE ASKED FOR FEEDBACK IN TERMS OF, UM, MAYBE WHAT WAS A, MAYBE A HIGHER PRIORITY IN TERMS OF WHAT WE SHOULD AND SHOULD NOT CONSIDER.
AND AT THE TOP OF THAT LIST WAS NO ADDITIONAL RIGHT OF WAY AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE, NO MATTER WHAT TYPE OF RIGHT OF WAY THAT IT IS THAT WE SHOULD NOT DO SEEK, UM, OPTIONS THAT PURSUE SIGNIFICANT RIGHT OF WAY.
SO IF YOU LOOK AT THAT, YES, THAT MAY BE TOWN OWNED PROPERTY, BUT RIGHT OF WAY IS RIGHT OF WAY AND THAT'S STILL CONSIDERED WITHIN THE STONY TRADITIONAL CULTURAL PROPERTY.
I KNOW A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE FOCUSING ON THE NORTH SIDE, BUT THAT'S STILL ON THE SOUTH SIDE, THAT IS TRADITIONAL CULTURAL PROPERTY.
UM, AND THEN FROM A, UM, A, A BENEFIT STANDPOINT IN TERMS OF THE OPERATIONS, WE FEEL THAT THIS ADDRESSES THAT AS WELL AS IT FIXES THE OPERATING CONDITIONS AT GUMTREE ROAD.
UM, SO, AND, AND THEN LAUREN TOO, DID YOU, UM, YOU HAD MENTIONED THE CONCERNS WITH THE, UM, THE CONNECTING DIRECTLY TO THE CROSS ISLAND ON THE SOUTH SIDE AS WELL, UM, DIFFICULTIES THAT BE POSED BY THAT? WELL, MY, MY MAIN CONCERN WITH A BYPASS DOWN THERE IS EVEN THOUGH YOU'RE, YOU'RE, YOU'RE VIEWING THAT AS BEING ABLE TO BE FREE FLOW, BUT YOU STILL HAVE PARCELS THAT WOULD BE SOUTH OF THAT BYPASS THAT HAVE TO HAVE ACCESS.
SO YOU'RE STILL GONNA HAVE TO HAVE SOME AT GRADE ACCESS ON THAT BYPASS OR YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO BE ELEVATED TO ALLOW THEM TO GO UNDERNEATH.
DID DID YOU MENTION TO SEAN THE RELOCATIONS AS WELL AT LEAST, AND IN, IN ADDITION TO THAT, I MEAN I, I'VE, I'VE LOOKED AT THE PARCEL MAP AND I DON'T SEE ANY WAY YOU CAN GET THROUGH THERE WITHOUT IMPACTING A PRIVATE OWNED PARCEL.
THERE'S, THERE'S SEVERAL PRIVATELY
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OWNED PARCELS SCATTERED AROUND THROUGH THERE THAT WOULD MAKE IT VERY DIFFICULT TO GET THROUGH WITHOUT IMPACTING ONE OR MORE OF THEM, WHICH THEN IS ADDITIONAL RIGHT OF WAY OF PRIVATE PROPERTY.AND JUST, JUST A ROUGH ESTIMATE BASED ON THAT LENGTH, YOU'RE LOOKING AT PROBABLY A TOTAL ADDITIONAL RIDE OF WAY ACREAGE OF MAYBE SIX ACRES TO CREATE A 60 FOOT WIDE RIDE OF WAY THROUGH THERE.
LAUREN, WOULD THAT BE SIX ACRES ON TOP OF THE FOUR FOUR? SO ACRES THAT'S ALREADY PROPOSED FROM STONY? YES, IT WILL BE ADDITIONAL, YEAH.
WELL, YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO REDUCE SOME OF THE, FROM OF THE, YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO REDUCE SOME OF WHAT THEY, THEY WERE PROPOSED TO BE TAKING BECAUSE YOU WOULDN'T NEED AS MUCH WIDENING, BUT I DON'T THINK YOU WOULD OFFSET ALL OF IT.
WE'D HAVE TO LOOK AT IN MORE DETAIL.
YEAH, I, I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE STONY AREA.
UM, AS YOU COME OUT OF, UH, AS YOU GET ACROSS JENKINS ISLAND, IT TURNS INTO FIVE LANES OF CONCRETE THERE.
WHAT IS THE ACTUAL WIDTH OF THAT RIGHT OF WAY THROUGH THAT AREA? WELL, I'M SORRY, I DON'T KNOW IF I UNDERSTAND YOUR QUESTION, CHARLES.
ARE WE TALKING ABOUT JENKINS ISLAND? YEAH, NO.
UH, WHEN YOU GET OFF OF JENKINS ISLAND AND YOU'RE, NOW YOU'RE ONTO HILTON HEAD ISLAND, WHAT IS THE WIDTH OF THE RIGHT OF WAY AS YOU GO THROUGH THE SIX LANES OR FIVE LANES OF CONCRETE PAVEMENT THAT ARE IN THE STONY AREA, WHEN AS SOON AS YOU APPROACH AND GO INTO THAT STONY AREA, WHAT IS THE RIGHT OF WAY THERE? WHAT IS THE ACTUAL CURRENT RIGHT OF WAY? CURRENT RIGHT OF WAY, RIGHT.
LAUREN? WOULD LAUREN, WOULD YOU BE ABLE TO, UM, GO INTO YOUR FILE AND JUST SEE IF YOU COULD MENTION IT? YEAH, LET ME TAKE A, SEE IF I HAVE CAN.
IT VARIES THROUGH THERE, BUT UM, LAUREN, I THINK IT'S BETWEEN A A HUNDRED FEET AND 115 FEET.
UM, YEAH, THAT'S WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE.
IT'S AROUND A HUNDRED TO 115 FEET CURRENTLY.
SO SIX LANES OF PAVEMENT, 72 FEET.
I'M JUST SAYING, YOU KNOW, COMING OFF OF THE BRIDGE, WIDEN THAT, THAT AREA THROUGH THAT AREA DIRECTION.
AND THEN WHEN YOU WIDEN OUT TO THE, UH, WHAT, WHAT IS IT, THE, UH, FIRE POPE AREA THAT ACTUALLY GOES TO AN, THERE'S, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THAT I THINK SHOULD BE ALSO, I DON'T KNOW WHY, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVEN'T, I DON'T THINK YOU'VE DONE THAT.
HAVE YOU LOOKED AT AT GRADE, UH, AT GRADE WORK? OTHER, IN OTHER WORDS, OTHER THAN THE, IT WAS A, OTHER THAN ALTERNATIVE ONE, WHICH, YEAH.
SO ALTERNATIVE ONE IS, IS ALL THAT GRADE WORK, UM, THE, AND YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT.
THERE IS RIGHT OF WAY THERE TODAY THAT IS WIDER THAN THE CURRENT ROAD CROSS SECTION.
UM, AND MOST OF THE ROADWAY, UM, IMPROVEMENTS NEEDED OR PROPOSED COULD FIT WITHIN THAT RIGHT OF WAY.
THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK AT SOME DESIGN MODIFICATIONS.
UM, SOME HAVE ALREADY BEEN REQUESTED BY COUNCIL AND AN MOU WITH THE COUNTY TO REDUCE TWO LANES ON EACH SIDE FROM 12 FEET TO 11 FEET, WHERE THERE'S FOUR FEET OF ADDITIONAL SAVINGS, UM, POTENTIAL MOVEMENT OF A LEFT TURN LANE IN THE MEDIAN TO SHIFT, UM, SOME WIDTH NEEDED IN STONY.
AND THEN THERE'S TWO LEFT TURN LANES FROM WILLIAM HILTON PARKWAY ONTO SQUIRE POPE.
AND THERE'S TWO RIGHT TURN LANES FROM QUI POPE ROAD BACK, UM, GOING WESTBOUND ONTO US 2 78 OR
THAT COULD ALSO POTENTIALLY BE REDUCED TO REDUCE SOME OF THAT IMPACT.
AND SO RIGHT NOW I'M LOOKING AT THE, UM, THE UPDATED PROPERTY, RIGHT OF PROPERTY IMPACT, UM, MAP AND INFORMATION THAT'S PART OF THE EA IT WAS UPDATED IN JANUARY.
UM, I SHARED IT WITH, UH, WITH THE COMMITTEE, BUT THERE'S A TOTAL OF 3.4 ACRES, UH, OF, UM, PROPERTY NEEDED THAT'S EXECUTE WHAT THE COUNTY IS CURRENTLY PROPOSED WITH BUFORT COUNTY.
OF THAT 3.4 ACRES, 2.19 ARE PUBLICLY OWNED AND 1.21 ACRES ARE PRIVATELY OWNED.
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WE TALK ABOUT THE FOUR F RESOURCE AND THE TRADITIONAL CULTURAL PROPERTY, RIGHT NOW, THERE'S AN OPTION THAT IS ONLY IMPACTED, UH, IT'S IMPACTED 3.4 ACRES, RIGHT? IS THERE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE CURRENT ALTERNATIVE THAT'S BEING PROPOSED TO HAVE LESS IMPACT BY, BY MAKING SURE YOU'RE UTILIZING THE RIGHT OF WAY THAT'S THERE BY LOOKING AT FEWER, YOU KNOW, LESS THAN TWO LEFT TURNS AND, AND MAKING SOME DESIGN CONSIDERATIONS, THERE'S POTENTIALLY WAYS TO SAVE SOME IMPACT TO BOTH PUBLIC AND PRIVATE PROPERTY AND REDUCE THAT OVERALL 3.4 TO SOMETHING LESS.WHEN WE TALK ABOUT A HORIZONTAL BYPASS, AND I'VE LOOKED AT THE POTENTIAL CONNECTIONS, AGAIN, NO.
NO MATTER WHAT, WHEN YOU TIE BACK IN TO WILLIAM HILTON PARKWAY OR THE CROSS ISLAND, THERE HAS TO BE SOME ELEVATION TO TIE BACK IN THERE, RIGHT? SO THERE'S GONNA BE COST THERE.
UM, BUT WHEN I LOOK AT THE PRIVATE PROPERTIES THAT ARE LOCATED ALONG THE SOUTHERN SIDE OF WILLIAM HILTON PARKWAY, AS YOU COME ON ISLAND, THERE ARE BETWEEN FIVE AND NINE PRIVATE PROPERTIES THAT COULD BE IMPACTED WITH THAT HOR, THE HORIZONTAL BYPASS OFF OF, UM, WILLIAM MILTON PARKWAY.
THE TOWN OR THE TOWN OWNS, OR, OR PROPERTY IS PUBLICLY OWNED, A SIGNIFICANT PORTION ON THAT SIDE, BUT NOT ALL OF IT.
AND SO THERE'S NOT A WAY TO RUN A HORIZONTAL BYPASS WITHOUT ADDING ADDITIONAL RIGHT OF WAY.
AND I HEAR THAT IF THAT HAPPENS, IT'S LESS IMPACTFUL ON THE STONY COMMUNITY.
BUT WHEN WE LOOK AT THE TOTAL AMOUNT OF PROPERTY NEEDED, UM, TO EXECUTE THAT ALTERNATIVE, IT'S, IT'S SIGNIFICANTLY MORE.
IT'S 3.4 NOW, IT'S, IT'S MORE THAN THAT.
IT'S, UH, SOUNDS LIKE LAUREN MENTIONED SIX PLUS WHATEVER'S NEEDED, EVEN IN A REDUCED, UM, FOOTPRINT FOR THE CURRENT CORRIDOR PLUS FOR NOT GRADE OF A BYPASS.
YEAH, I, UM, BASED ON WHAT'S PROPOSED THERE, THERE CURRENTLY ISN'T, UNLESS THERE ARE SOME DESIGN MODIFICATIONS THAT ARE MADE.
BUT, BUT I THINK YOU COULD GET VERY CLOSE.
IT JUST DEPENDS ON THE RESULT OF THAT, OF THAT DETERMINATION AT THAT ADDRESSED AND UNDERSTOOD.
BRIDGES, UH, FOR THE REHABILITATION VERSUS THE RETROFIT, WE, WE RECEIVED A COPY OF THE SEISMIC STUDY, UM, LAST WEEK, AND WE'VE WENT GOING THROUGH THAT WITH OUR STRUCTURAL ENGINEERS RIGHT NOW.
BUT MY CURSORY REVIEW OF IT, I'M, I'M ALLOWING THEM 'CAUSE I'M NOT A STRUCTURAL ENGINEER.
UM, BUT SOME OF THE KEY FINDINGS, I KNOW THAT THEY DID SHARE, I MENTIONED AT THE LAST MEETING, WAS IT, IT WASN'T FEASIBLE WHEN I WAS GOING THROUGH IT.
UM, IT WAS THE, THE FACT THAT THE LIQUIFICATION POTENTIAL OF THE SOIL BEYOND THE FEE AND THE SEE CATEGORIES OF A CATEGORIES OF AN EARTHQUAKE, THAT THERE COULD NOT BE ANY FINANCIALLY FEASIBLE WAY TO MAKE IT SEE RATED.
WHEREAS A BRAND NEW BRIDGE, THEY COULD, YOU COULDN'T RETROFIT AN EXISTING BRIDGE TO MEET SEE REQUIREMENTS.
SO THAT'S A BIG THING THAT TOOK AWAY FROM ME AND THEN SUGGESTED THAT THAT BE A TEMPORARY SOLUTION.
WIDEN THE, WIDEN THOSE EXISTING BRIDGES.
THEY'RE THE ONE THAT'S DEFICIENT TEMPORARY SOLUTIONS UNTIL SOUTHERN CROSSING IS.
BUT THEN TALKING ABOUT THE, THE SOUTHERN, UM, SORRY, THE, THE SECOND BRIDGE WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, 15 TO 20 YEARS AT BEST.
AND THEN IF IT'S RIGHT, I THINK AT THE ORIGINAL REVIEW OF THAT, IT WAS, THEY ARE 40, 40 YEARS OLD, UM, AT THE BEGINNING OF THE STUDY, AND THEN NOW IT'S PROBABLY GETTING TO BE 50 AND THEN IF THEY RETROFIT IT, POTENTIALLY ANOTHER 35 AT BEST.
SO, UM, THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN DOCUMENT ONCE OUR STRUCTURAL ENGINEERS ARE ABLE TO LOOK AT THAT IN MORE DETAIL.
BUT WE DID RECEIVE A SEISMIC STUDY, UH, EARLIER LAST WEEK.
SO YOU'RE IN THE PROCESS OF REVIEWING IT.
I, BY THE WAY, I WON'T BE HERE AT THE, THE EIGHTH.
SO, SO AT THE LAST COMMITTEE MEETING, UM, WHEN LOCK MILLER PRESENTED THEIR EVALUATION, A COMPARATIVE ASSESSMENT OF THE ALTERNATIVES, UM, THE GOAL WAS TO
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IDENTIFY AN ALTERNATIVE THAT WAS, UM, THAT WOULD BE THE PREFERRED ALTERNATIVE TO PUT IN THE VISIM MODEL SO THAT THEY COULD THEN DO THE DEEPER LEVEL OF ANALYSIS AND EVALUATION.UM, BECAUSE VIS M HAS GREATER CAPABILITY THAN, UH, SYNCHRO.
UM, AND WITH THAT THEY COULD, UM, MOVE BEYOND THE CURRENT STUDY AREA AS WELL TO LOOK AT THE FULL END TO END.
THAT WAS, THAT WAS, UM, THAT REQUESTED ALL THE WAY DOWN TO SEA PINE CIRCLE AND THE WILLBORNE INDIGO RUN.
AND SO, UM, WHAT THEY PRESENTED TODAY IS ADDITIONAL INFORMATION REQUESTED PLUS SOME INFORMATION ON CONSTRUCTION DURATION AND WOULD LIKE THE COMMITTEE TO WEIGH IN ON ALTERNATIVE OR ALTERNATIVES THAT WE NEED TO CONTINUE TO MOVE FORWARD IN ADVANCE.
UM, AND SO I'D LIKE TO HEAR, I GUESS I'D LIKE TO HEAR THE COMMITTEE'S INPUT AND FEEDBACK AT THIS TIME.
I THINK WHY VOTE STILL STAYS THE SAME.
UH, I, I THINK THE, UH, BRIDGE THE OVERPASS IS GONNA GIVE PEOPLE POINT A TO B OR CROSS THE BRIDGE TO C FINDS, UH, THE QUICKEST, THE SAFEST MOST DEFINITELY ELIMINATE SOME LEFT HAND TURNS, WHICH, AND AS I MENTIONED, TRAVELING GLOBALLY, I HAVE SEEN SOME PASSES, HIGH DUCKS, WHATEVER YOU WANNA CALL 'EM, THAT YOU HAVE TO STOP AND LOOK TO SEE THAT THEY'RE THERE.
BOW TIES NUMBER TWO, OVERPASS NUMBER ONE, UM, I HAVEN'T MADE IT MY MIND AND I THINK THAT'S, UM, MAYBE IT'S A COMBINATION OF, OF ALL OF THE ABOVE.
UM, I THINK THAT WE NEED TO SEE THE ON GRADE BYPASS SOUTH OF 2 78, UM, WITH ITS ISSUES APPARENTLY.
UM, BUT I'M GONNA RUN, RUN THE, UH, THE SIMULATION ON THAT PARTICULAR BYPASS.
UM, I THINK WE HAVE SO MANY UNANSWERED QUESTIONS ON, ON THESE THINGS THAT, UH, I CAN'T MAKE A JUDGMENT ON WHETHER I LIKE ALTERNATIVE TWO, THREE, OR FOUR.
AND I THINK MAYBE THE NEXT MEETING WE CAN GET SOME ANSWERS ON SOME OF THE ISSUES THAT THAT, UH, WERE BROUGHT OUT.
UM, AND HAVE A, UM, SIMULATION ON, UM, THE FIFTH ALTERNATIVE REALLY ON ON GRADE BYPASS AFTER HEARING, I'VE HEARD THIS TODAY, ACTUALLY TENDING TO GO WITH ALTERNATE ONE, PROVIDING THAT THE BRIDGE IS NOT 11 LANES OR THE EQUIVALENT OF 11 LANES THAT BE PAIRED BACK AS A
UM, BUT THAT'S WHY I ASKED AT THE LAST MEETING I ASKED, WAS THERE PEDESTRIAN, UH, SURVEY DONE OR A BICYCLE SURVEY THAT SHOWS THE AMOUNT OF PEDESTRIAN BICYCLE TRAFFIC THAT OFTEN INTO DALE? I, I DON'T DON'T RECALL THAT SPECIFIC ABOUT THAT.
I DON'T KNOW IF WE NEED A BIKE LANE ON THE, ON THAT, ON THAT BRIDGE.
YEAH, IF I COULD JUMP IN ON THAT.
SO, UM, THERE WAS A PREVIOUS COM, UM, COMMITTEE THAT WAS ASSEMBLED.
I THINK THEY HAD SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 20 AND 25 MEETINGS TO GET INPUT.
THEY, UM, ADOPTED GUIDING PRINCIPLES AND THEN PROVIDED INPUT, UM, AND RECOMMENDATIONS TO COUNCIL, ONE OF WHICH WAS TO ADD BIKE AND PED FACILITIES FROM THE CORRIDOR.
RIGHT NOW, OCCASIONALLY I SEE SOMEBODY WALKING OR BIKING ON THE BRIDGE, BUT, UM, OH, I'M, I, I SEE COMMUTING,
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UM, EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE, SOMEONE WALKING OR BIKING, BUT, UH, ALONG INSIDE THE JERSEY AREA IN THE SHOULDER.AND SO AS IT RELATES TO THE 11 LANE BRIDGE, RIGHT, RIGHT NOW, AS PROPOSED, IT'S THREE LANES IN EACH DIRECTION.
THERE IS A, THERE IS ONE BREAKDOWN LANE ON THE OUTSIDE OF EACH DIRECTION AND ON THE INSIDE WHERE THEY WERE PROPOSING 10 FOOT BREAKDOWN LANES ON BOTH SIDES, UM, THERE'S BETTER REDUCTION IN THE INSIDE BREAKDOWN LANES TO SOMETHING LESS, I THINK IT'S SIX FEET ON EACH SIDE, SO THERE'S BEEN EIGHT FEET OF SAVINGS THERE ON THAT SIDE.
BUT AS, UM, AS FAR AS THE BIKE AND PED FACILITY, THERE IS ONE PLAN AS PART OF THE PROJECT 12 FEET WIDE, UM, ON THE SOUTHERN SIDE OF THE BRIDGE.
RECOMMENDATIONS THAT CAME FORWARD WITH THAT OTHER CITIZEN ADVISORY COMMITTEE.
COMMITTEE WERE TO INCLUDE THAT.
UM, BUFORT COUNTY ADAPTED, THE BUFORT COUNTY, UH, CONNECTS PLAN TO INCREASE MULTIMODAL, UH, CONNECTIVITY AND BIKING PEDS THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY.
AND IN THAT PLAN, THEY RECOMMENDED CONNECTING HILTON HEAD TO THE MAINLAND WITH BIKE AND PEDS.
UM, AND IN THE CURRENT, UM, ALTERNATIVE, THE INDIGO RUN, I MEAN, AND HOPE, I STILL THINK WE GONNA HAVE A TRAFFIC PROBLEM GOING.
SO I'VE ACTUALLY BEEN LOOKING AT ALTERNATE NUMBER TWO, UM, AS A STANDPOINT OF FOR, FOR THE VISTA MODEL.
IT'S, IT'S KIND OF IN BETWEEN.
IT'LL GIVE US A BASIS AS TO, SO WE CAN SEE HOW IT WILL WORK.
WE KNOW I WOULD, I WOULD EXPECT ANYWAY THAT WE WOULD SEE THAT ALTERNATE THREE OR FOUR WOULD ALSO PROBABLY WORK BETTER THAN TWO AND ONE, BUT I THINK, I THINK ALTERNATE TWO WILL GIVE US A, A PICTURE OF HOW WELL IT COULD WORK.
AND THAT'S KIND OF THE WAY I'M LOOKING AT IT.
UM, I APPRECIATE THE EXPLANATIONS ON THE F FOUR PROPERTIES AND, AND OBVIOUSLY Y'ALL HAVE DONE YOUR WORK AND UNDERSTAND WHAT IT WOULD TAKE TO, TO DO SOMETHING ELSE ON THOSE PROPERTIES AND IT'S NOT FEASIBLE.
SO I, I ACCEPT THAT EXPLANATION.
UM, SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE I AM.
OKAY, SO WE'VE GOT TWO FOR THREE AND THE OTHER TWO, AND NOT, NOT, NOT ANSWERING
UM, CAN, CAN WE CONFIRM THAT, YOU KNOW, IN THE NEXT MEETING THAT LER WILL, UM, EVEN IF IT IS A, A BRIEF LOOK AT, UH, A GREAT BYPASS, I THINK WE ARE, WE ARE OTHERWISE LEAVING AN OPPORTUNITY TO REALLY, UM, LOOK AT A REALISTIC SOLUTION, UH, ON THE SIDE.
AND I THINK THAT'S NOT, UM, NOT A GOOD THING.
UM, WE HAVEN'T REALLY TALKED ABOUT, UM, PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION EITHER.
I MEAN, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT'S GONNA BE ADDRESSED AS WELL, OR THOSE TWO THINGS? PART OF THE DELIVERABLE FOR TASK ONE WAS PROVIDING A, UM, INCLUDING THE TRANSIT, UM, FACTS, UM, FACTOR OF THAT.
AND BASED ON OUR RESEARCH, WE'RE PREPARING OUR FINDINGS WITH THAT RIGHT NOW.
BUT OUR UNDERSTANDING IS THAT, UM, KATE MENTIONED AT A PREVIOUS MEETING THAT THERE WOULD NEED TO BE, UH, A REDUCTION OF APPROXIMATELY 30% OF THE EXISTING TRAFFIC ACROSS THE BRIDGE TO BE ABLE TO MAINTAIN FOUR LANES ACROSS WITH 2045.
WE'VE HAD OUR TRANSIT EXPERTS IN HOUSE LOOK AT THE EXISTING SYSTEM, AND RIGHT NOW, UM, PROBABLY THE, THE BEST CASE IN HIS OPINION WOULD BE THAT YOU COULD, IF EVERYTHING WAS WORKING OPTIMALLY, BECAUSE THERE IS AN EXISTING SYSTEM NOW IN PLACE, IT'S, YOU KNOW, UM, APPROXIMATELY MAYBE LIKE 2%.
UH, I KNOW THAT THERE'S BEEN DISCUSSIONS ABOUT, UM, PREVIOUS CONSULTANTS THINKING, YOU KNOW, FIVE IS THE BEST CASE.
UM, SO EVEN IF YOU TOOK THE CONSERVATIVE APPROACH OF A 5% REDUCTION, THAT NOWHERE NEAR REACHES THAT 30% REDUCTION.
UM, SO WE, WE, WE, WE DO THINK THOSE TRANSPORTATION DEMAND MANAGEMENT STRATEGIES ARE, ARE GOOD AND ARE BENEFICIAL, BUT THEY BEING A STANDALONE OPTION IN ORDER TO MAINTAIN A A FOUR-LANE BRIDGE ACROSS THE WAY JUST ISN'T PRACTICAL IN OUR OPINION.
UM, I KNOW THAT, UM, UM, I MIGHT SEEM TO GIVE YOU A HARD TIME, BUT, UH, I JUST WANNA BE, UH, CRITICAL AND CONSTRUCTIVE, AND I THINK YOU GUYS HAVE DONE AN ENORMOUS AMOUNT OF WORK.
UM, WE'VE BEEN LOOKING AT THIS FOR THE LAST FOUR YEARS, AND SO WE HAVE
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THOUGHT THINGS THROUGH AND THAT'S WHY I'VE SORT OF BROUGHT OUT THESE POINTS AND I APPRECIATE YOUR ATTENTION TO IT.I ALSO JUST LIKE TO SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AN INCREASE ALREADY TO, YOU KNOW, $425 MILLION.
UM, WHAT IS THE LIKELIHOOD, AND I'M NOT ASKING YOU THIS QUESTION, I'M JUST MAKING IT AS A STATEMENT THAT THE STATE INFRASTRUCTURE BANK OR THE STATE HOUSE OR ANYBODY AT THE IN COLUMBIA WOULD'VE GIVE US THE ADDITIONAL FUNDING TO DO ANYTHING ADDITIONAL.
YOU KNOW, IT'S VERY POSSIBLE THEY MAY COME BACK TO US AND SAY, THAT'S WHAT YOU WANT.
IT'S YOUR DIME, YOU PAY FOR IT, YOU DO IT.
SO, YOU KNOW, THERE'S CONVERSATIONS THAT ARE GOING TO BE HAD WITH THE STATE INFRASTRUCTURE BANK SOON TO UNDERSTAND WHERE THE ADDITIONAL FUNDING'S COMING FROM, UM, WHAT THEY'RE WILLING TO DO, UM, HOW THEY'RE WILLING TO FUND THIS.
SO THOSE ARE, THOSE ARE FORTHCOMING.
UM, SO I LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, THESE OPTIONS, AND THAT'S ANOTHER REASON WHY I CHOOSE TWO IS BECAUSE IT'S MORE IN LINE COST-WISE.
UM, SO THAT'S, THAT'S ALSO WHY I GO THERE.
AND I DID WANNA POINT OUT, UM, YOU KNOW, WHEN I DID THE MATH, THERE'S ABOUT $140 MILLION SHORTFALL ON ONE BASED ON WHAT THE CURRENT FUNDING IS.
WHEN YOU GET TO ALTERNATIVE FOUR, THE BYPASS IS SOMEWHERE BETWEEN, UH, 2 66 AND 295 MILLION OF A, OF A SHORTFALL.
UM, AND WHEN I LOOK AT THE PROPERTY IMPACT, IT LOOKED LIKE IT WAS 0.2 ACRES IN ALTERNATIVE ONE, BUT IT WAS OUTSIDE OF STONY, IT WAS GUMTREE AND IT WAS ALL PUBLICLY OWNED AND ALTERNATIVE, IT LOOKED LIKE IT WAS ROUGHLY ZERO, WHATEVER, WE THOUGHT IT WAS ABOUT ZERO.
SO ONE IN FOUR, DON'T HAVE ANY, DON'T HAVE ANY IMPACT OR ADDITIONAL IMPACT ON STONY, BASICALLY WHAT I'M LOOKING AT.
BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE PRICE, IT'S ANOTHER 120 TO 150 MILLION ON ALTERNATIVE FOR.
UM, SO IF IF PRICE IS NO OBJECT, THEN I UNDERSTAND, BUT I, I DON'T KNOW THE LIKELIHOOD OF TRYING TO GET ANOTHER 260 TO 295 MILLION ON TOP OF WHAT WE'VE ALREADY GOT.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT IMPACTS ANYONE'S, YOU KNOW, EVALUATION.
UM, BUT YOU KNOW, WE, WE WOULD LIKE, IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO GO TO THE EM WITH FOUR OR FIVE, UM, DIFFERENT ALTERNATIVES, UM, BECAUSE IT'S REALLY TIME INTENSIVE.
AND THEN YOU, UM, WHEN YOU EVALUATE THE, THE INTERSECTION OPTIONS BETWEEN EACH ONE, UM, WE'LL BE AT THIS AN AWFUL LONG TIME AND, AND OUR CURRENT CONTRACT, UM, WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO MODEL OR MODEL THROUGH V UM, THE, A PREFERRED ALTERNATIVE TO GET THOSE END-TO-END IMPACTS.
UM, SO I WOULD NEED A CONTRACT ADDENDUM, AND I'M TRYING TO MOVE THROUGH THIS AND GET YOU INFORMATION THAT YOU NEED, UM, BUT ALSO LET LOCH MEER AS THE INDEPENDENT PROFESSIONALS HERE TELL US WHAT THEY THINK IS THE BEST ALTERNATIVE, WHAT THEY BELIEVE IS THE BEST SOLUTION.
UM, BECAUSE IF WE DON'T LET THEM DO THAT IN AN INDEPENDENT MANNER, WE WILL BE EVALUATING MANY DIFFERENT OPTIONS, UM, FOR A VERY LONG TIME.
ARE YOU STILL STICKING WITH THEIR CHOICES? SO BASED OFF OF THAT, THEN WE'VE GOT TWO THAT ARE, THAT ARE FOR ALTERNATIVE THREE TO RUN THE, THE, THE BIAM ON MY, MY THOUGHT ON THE, ON THE BOW TIE, UM, THAT'S ALMOST LIKE A, UM, SHORT TERM SOLUTION AS TRAFFIC.
AND I EQUATED TO, OKAY, I HURT MY KNEE, I GO TO THE DOCTOR, HE SAYS THERAPY WHEN REALLY I SHOULD HAVE SURGERY.
AND SO I'M THINKING THE BOW TIE IS A QUICK THERAPY, MIGHT GET US FIVE, 10 YEARS DOWN THE ROAD, AND THEN THE NEXT GROUP IS LOOKING AT MORE TRAFFIC.
AND, UM, I'M JUST THINKING FURTHER AHEAD THAN MAYBE I SHOULD.
UM, NUMBER ONE, NUMBER TWO IS MY FALLBACK.
UM, LAST BUT NOT LEAST, I, I AM JUST WARY, WARY ABOUT MAKING THAT DETERMINATION.
SORRY, THAT'S, THAT'S TOO MANY ANNOUNCED THINGS AND ESPECIALLY THE ON GRADE BYPASS.
I MEAN, IT'S A VERY VIABLE OPTION AND I WOULD LIKE IT TO BE EVALUATED OR I MAKE A CHOICE OF WHAT'S, UH, PLUS THE, ALL THE OTHER, OTHER ISSUES I MENTIONED.
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OR SEAN, IN THE ON GRADE BYPASS, THERE'S WETLANDS, RIGHT? CHAD, DO YOU HAVE THAT, THAT MAP? UM, I KNOW THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE LOOKED AT AS WELL.THERE, THERE WOULD HAVE TO BE, BECAUSE YOU'D HAVE TO CROSS THE CREEK TO THE, UH, EAST OF SPANISH WELLS.
WAIT, WHAT ARE WE TALKING ABOUT? ARE WE TALKING ABOUT THE ELEVATE ELEVATED BYPASS? THE, THE A SOUTHERN BYPASS? YES.
YEAH, THERE'S, THERE'S ESTUAN ESTUAN WETLANDS THERE ASSOCIATED WITH JARVIS CREEK.
UH, YOU'D BE SPANNING MOST OF THOSE.
SO YOUR IMPACTS WOULD BE LIMITED TO PROBABLY WHEREVER YOUR PEERS ARE GOING.
BUT YEAH, THERE, THERE WOULD STILL BE WELLING IMPACTS THERE AS WELL AND STREAM IMPACTS.
SO FROM MY SOURCES IN THE CONSTRUCTION INDUSTRY, THEY TELL ME FIVE TO SEVEN YEAR MINIMUM TO GET APPROVAL TO BUILD A, A NEW ROAD THROUGH, UH, WETLANDS.
SO WE'RE, WE'RE PUTTING FIVE TO SEVEN YEARS DOWN THE ROAD ROAD, UH, IF WE'RE GONNA KEEP IT AT GRADE, WE HAVE TO DIG OUT THE WETLANDS DOWN TO FIRM MATERIAL, UH, THAT IS GONNA BE EXPENSIVE.
I DON'T THINK WITH THE LAND THAT SEAN TALKED ABOUT, I JUST DON'T SEE IT'S A VIABLE ALTERNATIVE.
UH, I UNDERSTAND PEOPLE WANT IT THAT WAY, BUT I I'M NOT FEELING IT.
WELL, LET'S, LET'S, UM, I UNDERSTAND YOUR COMMENTS, UH, ED, BUT LET'S TAKE STOCK OF WHAT, WHAT, WHAT IT TAKES, YOU KNOW, NOT JUST THROW IT OUT.
LET, LET ME OFFER ONE THING BECAUSE IT WAS BROUGHT UP EARLIER.
UM, YOU KNOW, AT THE BEGINNING OF THIS PROCESS, THIS WAS MEANT TO BE INDEPENDENT WITHOUT DISCUSSION WITH D-O-S-E-D-O-T AND THE COUNTY.
UM, BUT I'M, I'M HAPPY TO TEST THE ALTERNATIVES THAT WE NOW HAVE IN FRONT OR OUR PUBLIC RECORD WITH, UM, WITH THE COUNTY AND THE S-E-D-O-T.
IF, IF THEY DON'T BELIEVE ANY OF, UH, UH, WELL ANY, IF THEY DON'T BELIEVE AN ALTERNATIVE OR TWO ARE FEASIBLE OR THAT WOULD NOT BE AN OPPORTUNITY TO ADVANCE, THEN I'D LIKE TO GET THAT INFORMATION TO HELP NARROW DOWN THE ALTERNATIVES THAT ARE STILL IN PLAY.
BUT I, I, I THINK WE HAVE TO DO THAT.
UM, NOW, UM, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE GOTTEN, YOU'VE GOTTEN THIS FAR WITHOUT HAVING TO HAVE THE CONVERSATION WITH DOT, BUT THESE ARE WAY OUTSIDE OF THE REALM OF WHAT WAS DISCUSSED, RIGHT? AND OUTSIDE OF THE, THEIR, THEIR, THEIR CHOICE.
UM, AND IF THEY JUST COME BACK AND SAY, NO, IT'S YOUR DIME PERIOD, THEN THAT, THAT IS A, IS A DRIVER, REAL DRIVER.
BUT LET'S FIND, LET'S FIND OUT.
I MEAN, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING.
SO HAVE A HAVE A DISCUSSION, YOU KNOW, WITH, WITH DOT, WITH THE COUNTY, WITH EVERYBODY AS INVOLVED AND TAKE STOCK AND SEE WHAT, WHAT THE POSSIBILITIES ARE.
BUT LET'S NOT JUST ASSUME OR THINK, UH, ABOUT THINGS THAT MAY OR MAY NOT HAPPEN.
WILL THE COMMITTEE SUPPORT THEN? WE'LL MAKE SURE TO DO THAT.
WE, YOU KNOW, WE SAID IN THE VERY BEGINNING THAT NO, NO COMMUNICATION WITH THE COUNTY, NO COMMUNICATION WITH DOT, KEEP THEM OUT OF IT.
BUT I THINK WE'RE FAR ENOUGH ALONG NOW THAT WE COULD ASK THE QUESTION, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE IT, WE WANT IT TO BE INDEPENDENT.
SO ONE THING IS BEING INDEPENDENT, THE OTHER THING IS BEING, UH, UH, SMART ABOUT IT.
AND, UH, YOU CAN, YOU HAVE YOUR CHANNELS TO DOT AND OTHER PEOPLE, AND YOU CAN BOUNCE IT OFF THEM AND SEE WHETHER CERTAIN THINGS ARE POSSIBLE AND CERTAIN THINGS AREN'T ER SAFE.
MAKE, MAKE SURE THAT HAPPENS VERY QUICKLY.
DO THAT, DO THAT, AND JUST GET BACK TO US, UM, AND SEE IF IT CHANGES ANYBODY'S OPINIONS, WHAT WE NEED TO, WHAT WE WANT TO SEE.
ANYTHING ELSE? NO PROBLEMS OR QUESTIONS? THERE'S PARENTS BY CITIZENS.
UM, I WANNA MAKE TWO QUICK POINTS.
FIRST OF ALL, I JUST FOUND OUT FROM, ON SATURDAY NIGHT FROM PERSONAL EXPERIENCES THAT THE TWO LIGHTS ARE NOT SYNCHRONIZED OR OPTIMIZED.
WAITED AT, UH, UM, SPANISH WELLS, UM, FOR, UH, TRAFFIC PASSED, RED LIGHT LIGHTED SPANISH WELLS.
AND THE LAST CAR WENT BY AND THERE WAS AT LEAST ANOTHER 15 TO 20 SECONDS BEFORE THE LIGHT TURNED YELLOW AND THEN TURNED RED.
SO THAT'S NOT REALLY OPTIMIZED.
AND THEN, AND THEN WE WENT AT SPANISH WELLS AND GOT WITHIN ABOUT, OH, I DON'T KNOW, 300 YARDS OF, UH, OR 300 FEET
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OF, UM, SQUIRE POPE, AND IT TURNED RED.SO, YOU KNOW, IF, IF YOU'RE MAKING STUDIES AND THINK THAT, THAT WE ALREADY HAVE THE SYNCHRONIZED OPTIMIZED LIGHTS THAT AIN'T HAPPENING.
SECOND OF ALL, UM, THERE'S SOMETHING THAT, UM, I DID BRING UP AND MENTION, UH, A COUPLE OF MEETINGS AGO, BUT IT'S THE COST VALUE FOR BENEFIT GAINED.
AND THAT IS, UM, OKAY, UM, ACCORDING TO LOCK MILLIS FIGURES, UH, A GRAND TOTAL OF 1.82 MINUTES EXPENDING ALL OF THIS 425 MILLION, A TOTAL OF 1.82 MINUTES IS SAVED IN THE MORNING COMMUTE AND 4.6 MINUTES AT THE, UH, AFTERNOON COMMUTE.
SO THAT'S A TOTAL OF 640, UH, SIX MINUTES AND 42 SECONDS.
UM, SO, UM, I CALCULATED OUT THAT EACH MINUTE SAVED, UH, COM COMPUTES TO SIX $66,355,140 PER, PER MINUTE SAVED.
UH, AND THAT'S THE LEAST, THAT'S THE, THE, UM, ALTERNATIVE ONE.
SO IS THIS REALLY WHAT HILTON HEAD ISLAND RESIDENTS WANNA SPEND THEIR TAX DOLLARS ON? UM, I, I'M THINKING, YOU KNOW, UM, THAT MAYBE EVEN LOOKING AT SOME OF THE LESSER COSTS, LIKE CHARLIE'S PROPOSAL OF MAYBE JUST ADDING LANES ONTO EXISTING BRIDGES, AND MAYBE THAT ONE OLD BRIDGE NEEDS TO BE 86TH AND REPLACED, BUT, UM, I THINK MAYBE $66 MILLION PER MINUTE SAVED ON THE, ON THE TOTAL COMMUTES, UH, IS A LITTLE EXCESSIVE.
AND MAYBE WE MIGHT WANNA CONTINUE TO LOOK FOR OTHER ALTERNATIVES THAT DON'T COST THIS MUCH.
UM, CHRISTOPHER CLIFF, UM, SINCE NOVEMBER, 2018, I'VE ATTENDED 32 COMMITTEE MEETINGS THAT CHAIRED BY DAVID JOHNSON.
I'VE LISTENED AND TUNED INTO, I THINK SEEMED LIKE A DOZEN JOINT, UH, BROADCAST OF BEAUFORT COUNTY AND THE TOWN I'VE ATTENDED.
I DUNNO HOW MANY COUNCIL MEETINGS AT WHICH THIS BRIDGE HAS BEEN DISCUSSED.
UM, AND AT NO TIME DURING ALL OF THOSE MEETINGS UNTIL VERY RECENTLY HAS COSTS COME UP AS A, A DETERMINING FACTOR.
SO IT'S SOMETHING SINISTER GOING ON THAT WE DON'T KNOW ABOUT.
AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE MATRIX THAT, UH, LOCH MOLO HAVE PROVIDED, SETTING ASIDE THE INTELLECTUAL QUESTION OF WHETHER THEY'RE REASONABLE OR NOT, IF YOU TAKE OUR COST, THEN ALTERNATIVE FALL IS EXTREMELY COMPETITIVE.
AND WHERE ON EARTH HE GOT THE CONSTRUCTION DURATION FROM GOODNESS ONLY KNOWS BECAUSE S-T-D-T-O-T DON'T HAVE THE WORLD'S BEST RECORD.
AND CRAIG WYNN SAID IT WOULD TAKE THREE YEARS TO CONSTRUCT.
AND WHEN I ASKED HIM HOW HE MEASURED IT, HE SAID, WELL, I CAN TALK TO THAT OUTSIDE NOW, CRAIG WYNN, UM, MADE IT QUITE CLEAR IN THE SECOND MEETING OF DAVID JOHNSON'S COMMITTEE, UM, THAT THERE WERE CERTAIN ASPECTS OF THE BRIDGE THAT WOULD BE FOR THE TOWN TO PAY, UM, NOT AS CDOT.
NOW, WHERE DOES THIS PEDESTRIAN CYCLE PATH COME FROM? IT CAME PART FROM OUR, UM, RESIDENT SPONSOR OF CYCLE PATHS AND HE SAID, LOOK AT RAVENEL, THEY'VE GOT THIS WONDERFUL, UM, SIDETRACK THERE.
I GO OVER RAVENEL A COUPLE OF TIMES A MONTH, AND YOU SEE LOTS OF YOUNG PEOPLE USING IT AND CYCLISTS, AND IT GOES FROM ONE RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY TO ANOTHER RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY.
THIS THING GOES FROM NOWHERE TO NOWHERE.
NOW, MKAS, UM, THE LEAD CONSULTANT, I'M SURE, I'M SURE YOU CAN REMEMBER THIS SAID AT THE COUNCIL MEETING WHEN DISCUSSING THE WIDTH OF THIS BRIDGE, THIS IS ABSURD.
THIS BRIDGE IS SO FAR AWAY FROM SIZABLE RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITIES.
YOU'RE GONNA NEED A TRAILHEAD, AND AT THE MOMENT IT'S GONNA GO FROM NOWHERE TO NOWHERE.
SO WHAT ELSE HAVE YOU GOT? SO WHEN WE LOOK AT THE, THE MATRIX, WE, WE, WE SEE IN HERE, UH, A COST AND IT'S CONSIDERED TO BE A DEEN DIFFERENTIAL.
NOW, WE ALL KNOW THAT THE 425 MILLION WAS THE LAST FIGURE S-C-D-O-T CAME UP WITH IN 2022.
OKAY? NOW, THEY'VE NEVER EXPLAINED PUBLICLY HOW THEY ARRIVED AT THE 4 25, BUT WE ALL KNOW THERE'S WELL OVER A HUNDRED MILLION, UH, SHORTFALL.
NOW NATE'S PEOPLE HAVE COME UP WITH THEIR OWN FIGURES.
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WANT TO ASK THE QUESTION, ARE YOU COMPARING CURRENT MONEY WITH OLD MONEY OR HAVE YOU ACTUALLY COSTED THE INCREMENTAL COST BASED ON 22 NUMBERS? WE GOT THREE MINUTES IS UP.YEAH, WELL, YEAH, BUT, UH, BUT I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S VERY IMPORTANT BECAUSE THIS MATRIX, THE INFORMATION IN THIS, NONE OF IT'S ABSOLUTE, UH, A LOT OF IT'S SUBJECTIVE AND THE S-C-D-O-T HAVE ACTUALLY BEEN BURDENED WITH A TASK, RIGHT, WHICH THEY DIDN'T SET OUT.
CRAIG WILEY CAME THANK YOU, LAID OUT HIS OBJECTIVES AND SAID QUITE CLEARLY IT WAS TO FIX MACKIE CREEK.
SO WE BROUGHT THIS IN OURSELVES.
OTHER PUBLIC COMMENTS? YES, SIR.
AT ONE OF YOUR RECENT MEETINGS, I MADE THIS POINT THAT WE NEED A FAIR, TRANSPARENT AND INDEPENDENT ANALYSIS INDEPENDENT OF ALL POLITICAL MANIPULATION.
UNFORTUNATELY, THAT HAS NOT BEEN THE CASE.
THE IMPACT ON THE STONY COMMUNITY HAS BEEN DOWNPLAYED.
CITIZEN QUESTIONS HAVE BEEN IGNORED.
A QUESTIONABLE WAITING SYSTEM HAS BEEN USED, A BETTER ALTERNATIVE THAT HAS BEEN DISREGARDED AND THE TOWNS SOMEWHAT CALL IT MANIPULATION OF THE CONSULTANT HAS MADE THE DOT PLAN THE BEST CHOICE WITH A MINOR TWEAK.
AND ALL THIS, KEEP IN MIND, MR. WARNER TALKED ABOUT COST.
WE'VE SPENT AN ESTIMATED $1 MILLION IN TAXPAYER MONEY THUS FAR ON THE CONSULTANT AND TOWN HALL STAFF TIME.
KEEP IN MIND THAT THIS COMMITTEE DOES NOT HAVE, I KNOW THIS DOESN'T SEEM TO BOTHER ANYONE, BUT DOES NOT HAVE A LEGITIMATE CHAIR.
MAYOR PERRY ELECTED HIMSELF AND HAS KEPT COMMITTEE MEMBERS FOR MAKING LEGITIMATE MOTIONS, AND YET HE'S THE ONE WHO HAS PROCLAIMED THAT WE WILL LEAVE NO STONE UNTURNED AND THAT IT WAS CRITICAL TO PRESERVE THE CHARACTER OF OUR ISLAND.
UNFORTUNATELY, NONE OF THIS HAS HAPPENED.
TOO MUCH ATTENTION IS BEING PLACED ON AN OVERSIZED BRIDGE AND NOT ENOUGH ON OUR TRAFFIC LIGHTS, WHICH ARE THE REAL CAUSE OF OUR CONGESTION PROBLEMS. A DOT SOLUTION THAT NOW COSTS $425 MILLION A YEAR AND SAVES 109 SECONDS IN ONE DIRECTION AND 276 SECONDS IN THE OTHER A DOT SOLUTION THAT PRODUCES A MONSTROSITY 11 LANE BRIDGE.
AND TWO HUGE NEW UGLY INTERSECTIONS ON HILTON HAD IS THAT THE CHARACTER OF THE ISLAND THAT WE WANT OPTIONS THAT MAY BE BETTER, CHEAPER, WITH LESS COMMUNITY IMPACT, HAVE BEEN SUGGESTED BY THE TECHNICAL WORKING GROUP AND WOULD BE LESS HARSH ON THE GULLAH COMMUNITY, SUCH AS A HORIZONTAL BYPASS TO THE CROSS ISLAND PARKWAY HAD BEEN IGNORED AFTER FOUR YEARS OF DELAY CAUSED BY THE COUNTY RUSHING.
NOW TO APPROVE A BAD PLAN WOULD BE A DISASTER FOR OUR TOWN.
THE TOWN'S DECISION ON THIS ISSUE WILL BE ONE OF THE MOST CONSEQUENTIAL DECISIONS IN YEARS AND WILL IMPACT OUR ISLAND FOR DECADES TO COME.
I'M A NATIVE OF HILTON NET ISLAND AND UM, I HAVE A JOB TO DO.
AND THAT JOB WAS ASSIGNED TO ME BY GOD.
AND THAT IS TO KEEP OUR GULLAH GEECHEE CULTURE ALIVE ON HILTON HEAD ISLAND.
MY ANCESTORS WERE SLAVES BROUGHT FROM AFRICA HERE TO AMERICA, WORK FOR 400 YEARS WITHOUT ANY PAY.
AND WHEN THEY COULD HAVE GOTTEN PAID, THEY GOT THE LEASE, WHAT WAS PROMISED TO THEM, 40 ACRES AND A MULE NEVER HAPPENED, BUT THEY WERE NOT DISCOURAGED.
GOD STILL GIVE THEM A DESIRE TO HAVE LAND LEFT HERE ON HILTON ISLAND FOR THEIR DESCENDANTS.
AND THEY WERE ONLY DOING WHAT GOD SAID TO DO.
PROVERBS 13 AND 22 SAY A GOOD MAN, LEAVE IT AN INHERITANCE TO HIS CHILDREN'S CHILDREN.
IF IT HAD NOT BEEN FOR THEM THINKING ABOUT US, WE WOULD NOT BE ON HILTON HEAD ISLAND.
ALL WE HAVE IS THE LAND THAT WAS PURCHASED BY OUR ANCESTORS AND
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PASSED DOWN TO US.THE LAND IS SO VERY IMPORTANT TO US BECAUSE LIKE I SAY, MANY TIMES, A LOT OF Y'ALL IN THIS ROOM, IF SOMETHING HAPPENED ON HILTON HEAD ISLAND, YOU DON'T WANNA STAY HERE ANY LONGER.
YOU CAN PULL UP STICKS AND GO BACK HOME.
SO THE LAND IS VERY, VERY IMPORTANT TO US BECAUSE THIS IS ALL WE HAVE.
SO I'M GRATEFUL TO EVERYONE IN THIS ROOM WHO FEEL OUR PAIN, WHO KNOW THAT WE ARE HUMAN BEING JUST LIKE YOU ARE.
IF YOU CUT US, WE BLEED JUST LIKE YOU.
OKAY? GOD JUST HAPPEN TO PUT US IN THESE DARK SKINNED BODY.
WE ARE NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR BEING BLACK HERE IN AMERICA.
GOD PUT US IN THESE BODIES, BUT HE MADE US.
HE INTENDED FOR HIS GARDEN TO HAVE BRUISES OF ALL COLORS.
OKAY, SO, UM, WHAT I'M ASKING YOU, PUT YOURSELF IN OUR POLICE.
SUPPOSE THIS WAS HAPPENING TO YOU.
IF THIS WAS IN A WHITE COMMUNITY, WE WOULDN'T EVEN BEEN HERE TODAY BECAUSE THERE'S NOT BE HAPPENING.
BUT SINCE IT SEEMS LIKE COULD BE IN THE BLACK COMMUNITY, WE ALWAYS ARE THE ONE TO BE STEPPED ON.
AND I KNOW SOME PEOPLE IN THIS ROOM FEEL THAT IF YOU DIDN'T FEEL IT, YOU WOULDN'T HAVE BE HERE.
AND I THINK EVERY ONE OF YOU, BUT AGAIN, I'M SAYING PLEASE HELP US TO KEEP OUR LAND, KEEP OUR CULTURE, AND KEEP THIS COMMUNICATED.
AND JUST REMEMBER NOW IF YOU GO ALONG WITH WHAT IS WRONG, THE WORD OF GOD SAY, YOU GOING TO REAP WHAT YOU SOW.
SO IT MIGHT NOT BE TODAY, BUT IT'S COMING IF NOT TO YOU, TO YOUR NEXT GENERATION AND THE NEXT ONE, THANK YOU SO VERY MUCH.
OTHER, OTHER PUBLIC COMMENTS? ALRIGHT, SEEING NONE, WE'LL COME BACK IN ANY NEW BUSINESS.
GOOD MORNING LADIES AND GENTLEMEN.
UM, GUEST AND MOST IMPORTANTLY OUR TENNIS PLAYERS.
WELCOME TO THE NEWLY RENOVATED BEAUFORT TENNIS COURT.
UM, THIS ROUGHLY $700,000 INVESTMENT WILL SERVE TENNIS LOVERS FROM ALL OVER THE COUNTY.
THE RENOVATION STARTED LAST APRIL WITH DE, UH, DEMOLISHING OF THE EXISTING COATS AND INSTALLING ALL NEW COATS, NETS, FENCES, AND GATES, ALONG WITH A DA COMPLIANCE SIDEWALKS.
THE EXISTING COURT LIGHTING WAS UPGRADED AND RAIN GARDENS AND RUNOFF CONTROLS WERE ADDED TO ADDRESS THE STORM WATER ISSUES.
THE REPAIRS WERE COMPLETED THROUGH A VERY STORMY, WET SUMMER.
THIS IS ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF BEAUFORT COUNTY INVESTING IN THE CITY OF BEAUFORT, SPENDING AROUND $2 MILLION IN PARKS AND RECREATION FACILITIES.
THE CHARLES LYNN BROWN CENTER CONTINUES TO BE UPGRADED AND THE COUNTY WILL ADD MORE PICKLEBALL AND BASKETBALL COURT TO THE SOUTH SIDE PARK WITH MUCH MORE TO COME.
ALTHOUGH TENNIS IS THOUGHT TO BE A, PREDOMINANTLY A PREDOMINANTLY WHITE SPORT, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO RECOGNIZE THAT IN 2022, MANY AFRICAN AMERICANS ARE PLAYING TENNIS.
AND THERE IS ACTUALLY A LONG, RICH HISTORY BEYOND ARTHUR ASH AND THE WILLIAMS SISTERS TUSKEGEE INSTITUTE FOUNDED BY BOOKER T WASHINGTON, ADDED TENNIS COURTS IN THE TENNIS TEAM IN THE 1890S.
NOT MANY PEOPLE HAVE HEARD THE STORY OF ALETHA GIBSON.
SHE WAS BORN IN A TOWN OF SILVER IN CLARATON
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COUNTY, SOUTH CAROLINA, AND MOVED TO THE, IN 1930S TO HARLEM.GIBSON WAS THE FIRST AFRICAN AMERICAN WOMAN TO COMPLETE, TO COMPETE INTERNATIONALLY IN TENNIS, WINNING FIVE GRAND SLAM SINGLE T UH, TITLES BETWEEN 1956 AND 1958.
IF THAT WAS NOT ENOUGH TO THE, UH, IN THE 1960S, SHE ALSO BECAME THE FIRST AFRICAN AMERICAN PLAYER TO COMPETE ON THE WOMEN'S PROFESSIONAL GOLF TOUR.
SO AS YOU CAN SEE, AMERICAN, BOTH BLACK AND WHITE HAVE BEEN, HAVE ENJOYING TENNIS FOR A LONG TIME.
AND ON A PERSONAL NOTE, I LEARNED TENNIS OR HOW THEY HIT THE BALL, UH, ON THAT COURT RIGHT THERE BACK IN THE 19 EARLY 1960.
I NEVER KNEW THE GAME OF TENNIS UNTIL I GOT TO COLLEGE AND I FIRST LEARNED WHAT, UH, 15 LOVE WAS.
UM, SO WE JUST PLAYED TENNIS, UH, ON THIS COURT RIGHT HERE.
I HOPE THAT THIS STORY AND THESE COURTS INSPIRE ALL THE YOUTH IN BEAUFORT COUNTY TO EXCEL IN THEIR INTERESTS AND TALENT.
AND MAYBE JUST MAYBE A TENNIS STAR WILL START THE JOURNEY RIGHT HERE.
YEAH, I KNOW THAT THE CITIZENS OF BEAUFORT, UH, THE BEAUFORT AREA WILL ENJOY THIS BEAUTIFUL FACILITY.
I GREW UP RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET.
SO THIS IS THE HOOD, THIS IS HOME.
MY GRAND BABIES, UH, ALL FOUR OF THEM PLAYED, UH, NATIONAL TENNIS BECAUSE OF, UM, LARRY DWAYNE, WE JUST LOVE YOU.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR DEDICATION TO THE YOUNG PEOPLE OF THIS COMMUNITY.
JUST A LITTLE SIDE NOTE BEFORE I PRAY.
UH, LARRY'S UH, I GREW UP ON THIS CORNER AND HE GREW UP RIGHT ON THE CORNER.
HIS OLDEST SISTER WAS MY BEST FRIEND.
AND WE COULD TALK FROM THE STEPS.
AND I REMEMBER WHEN HE WAS A LITTLE, LITTLE, HE WAS, HE WAST EVEN WALKING.
HE WAS CRAWLING AND HE HAD A TENNIS BALL IN HIS HANDS.
AND I TOLD MY JULIE, HIS MOTHER AT THE TIME, I SAID, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER HE'S GONNA BE IN LIFE IS GONNA BE WITH THE BALL.
AND NOT ONLY DOES HE PLAY TENNIS WELL, HE PLAYED EXCELLENT BASKETBALL, BASEBALL AND EVERYTHING ELSE, BUT HE HAS EXCELLED IN TENNIS AND HE IS GIVEN THAT GIFT BACK TO THIS COMMUNITY.
HE'S SUCH A JEWEL AND A TREASURE, AND I THANK GOD FOR HIM, FATHER GOD, WE THANK YOU, HALLELUJAH.
SWEET HOLY SPIRIT FOR YOUR PRESENCE IN THIS PLACE.
FATHER GOD, WE ANOINT THESE GROUNDS AS HOLY AND HOLLOW GROUND FOR YOUR SERVICE, FOR YOUR SPIRIT TO DWELL GOD.
WE SAID, NONE OF US, BUT ALL OF YOU, AND WE SAID, NO WEAPON FORMED AGAINST WHAT YOU HAVE STARTED HERE SHALL BE ABLE TO PROSPER.
FATHER GOD, AS WE WALK THESE COURTS AND OUR YOUNG PEOPLE COME, FATHER GOD, THEY WILL FIND A PLACE OF SAFETY, A PLACE WHERE LOVE ABIDES IN THIS PLACE AND WHERE SOMEBODY CAN SPEAK A POSITIVE WORD INTO THEIR LIVES.
AND GOD, THOSE THAT HAVE HAD A HAND IN THIS MOMENT, GOD, WE ASK THAT YOU BLESS THEM WITH A DOUBLE PORTION OF A PROPHET'S REWARD.
AND GOD, ORDER OUR STEPS IN YOUR WORD.
HELP US TO TRUE, TRULY BE KEEPERS AND STEWARD OF THE GIFT THAT YOU'VE GIVEN US AND NOT TO TAKE THIS DAY FOR GRANTED.
LORD, THIS IS THE DAY THAT YOU HAVE MADE AND WE'VE MADE A CHOICE TO COME TOGETHER TODAY AND TO BE REJOICE AND BE GLADED.
NOW, ONE OF THE GULLAH TRADITIONS IS ONCE YOU GET THE WORDS YOU HAVE TO JOIN IN, THIS IS NOT A SOLO.
OH, Y'ALL GONNA DO THE PLEDGE.
THEY WANNA DO THE PLEDGE FIRST.
OH, I, OH, I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
HOLY SPIRIT OF KUMBAYA, HOLY SPIRIT, KUMBAYA, HOLY SPIRIT, KUMBAYA SAID WHISTLE, LONG FIRE.
HOLY SPIRIT SAID WE SAW ON FIRE HOLY SPIRIT.
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HOLY SPIRIT, KU SAY HOLY SPIRIT.HOLY SPIRIT SAID, WE SO CAN PRAY.
RIGHT? HOLY SPIRIT, HOLY SPIRIT, HOLY SPIRIT, KU THAT SAID, WE SO LONG CAN LOVE.
RIGHT HOLY SPIRIT, KU, HOLY SPIRIT, KU, HOLY SPIRIT, KU, THAT SAID, WE SO LONG FIRE, THEY SAID, WE SO LONG FIRE.
HE SAID, WE SO LONG FIRE, THE MANDATE IS THAT WE LOVE BETTER AND IF WE LOVE BETTER, WE'LL DO BETTER.
OH NO, YOU'VE GOT, YOU CAN'T CROSS.
MY NAME IS MARSHALL WILLIAMS AND I'M A MEMBER OF THE STEERING COMMITTEE OF THE NEW BEAUFORT TENNIS CLUB.
THE CLUB HAS BEEN ORGANIZING OVER THE SUMMER TO BE READY TO BRING THESE BEAUTIFUL TENNIS COURTS TO LIFE WITH CHILDREN AND ADULTS FROM THIS HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOOD, THE NORTHWEST QUADRANT OF BUFORT, AND FROM THE WIDER AREA NORTH OF THE BROAD, AND EVEN FROM SOUTH OF THE BROAD.
IF YOU CAN BRAVE THE TRAFFIC
I THINK ALL THE MEMBERS OF THE BUFORT TENNIS CLUB STEERING COMMITTEE ARE HERE THIS MORNING.
AND I'LL JUST ASK THEM TO STEP FORWARD OR WAVE SO WE CAN SEE EVERYONE.
JANICE JOHNSON, MARY ENRIGHT, CHRIS PETERSON, ROB HILTON, JAN HORAN, VICKI HOKI, SALLY HENDRICKS, SUE RAINEY.
IT'S BEEN GREAT TO WORK WITH YOU ALL.
IF YOU WANNA LEARN MORE ABOUT THE CLUB, PLEASE SPEAK TO ANY OF US AND WE'D LOVE TO HAVE YOU VOLUNTEER ALONG WITH US.
WE'LL HAVE INFORMATION AND AN EMAIL SIGNUP SHEET FOR YOU AFTER THE CEREMONIES.
I KNOW MANY OF YOU ARE ON OUR LIST ALREADY.
IT'S ALSO A REAL PLEASURE FOR ME TO BE HERE TO INTRODUCE AND RECOGNIZE LARRY SHEPHERD.
LARRY, COME ON, COME ON OVER A LITTLE BIT.
HE REALLY DOESN'T NEED AN INTRODUCTION.
LARRY HAS BEEN LEADING FREE PUBLIC CHI CLINICS FOR CHILDREN AT THESE COURTS, AND HE'S TAUGHT LEGIONS OF YOUNG AND OLDER TENNIS PLAYERS THROUGH THE YEARS.
HE'S HERE WITH HIS ASSISTANT DONNA WINLAND.
GREW UP COMING HERE TO PLAY TENNIS.
HE WAS BORN AND RAISED RIGHT IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD, AND CHARLES LYD BROWN WAS A MENTOR TO LARRY AS HE WAS TO SO MANY YOUNG PEOPLE GROWING UP HERE.
LARRY AND HIS CREW WORK HARD TO CONTINUE THAT TRADITION.
HIS FREE CLASS FOR YOUNG PEOPLE AGED TWO TO 18 WILL START ON SATURDAY AT NOON AND HIS CLINICS AND LESSONS BEGIN TOMORROW.
LARRY, I KNOW YOU'RE GOING TO BE WORKING WITH ALL OF US SOON, AS SOON AS WE'RE DONE HERE, BUT PLEASE JUST TO HAVE A WORD FOR US.
OH, UH, FIRST OF ALL, I WANNA SAY THANK YOU TUPACS AND RECREATION FOR GIVING THE OPPORTUNITY, UH, TO GIVE OUR SERVICES TO THE COMMUNITY AND THE SURROUNDING COMMUNITIES.
UH, THANK YOU TO MY COUSIN, UH, PERLEY SUE, SAYING THOSE KIND OF THINGS ABOUT ME.
UH, THANK YOU TO, UH, MY ASSISTANT, MS. WINLAND, AND TO ALSO MS. JANICE JOHNSON, JAN AND ALL OF YOU WHO HAVE HELPED ME THROUGHOUT THE YEARS.
UH, WE'LL CONTINUE TO DO WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING.
JUST WANNA SAY THANK YOU GUYS.
AND ALSO I KNOW MR. LYNN BROWN'S LOOKING.
YEAH, WE NEVER WANT TO FORGET HIM.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR, FOR YOU ALL, FOR GIVING US THE OPPORTUNITY.
THIS LAND WAS GIVEN MANY YEARS AGO TO THE PUBLIC FOR THE RECREATION OF ITS YOUNG PEOPLE.
OUR GOAL AND PURPOSE IS TO SEE THESE COURTS FILL UP WITH YOUNG PEOPLE AND ADULTS PLAYING TENNIS AT ALL LEVELS.
AND OUR CLUB WILL BE MADE UP OF VOLUNTEERS HELPING TO ORGANIZE ROUND ROBINS SPECIAL EVENTS, MEN'S AND WOMEN'S MIXED DOUBLES, TENNIS UNDER THE STARS, U-S-T-A-C-C-T-A AND OTHER TOURNAMENTS.
WE CAN USE EVERYONE'S HELP AND IDEAS.
THE USTA AND COASTAL CAROLINA TENNIS ASSOCIATION HAVE BOTH SENT THEIR BEST WISHES AS WE OPEN UP.
AND I'D LIKE TO RECOGNIZE PATTY LATA, WHO IS THE CCTA LEAGUE COORDINATOR WHO IS JOINING US TODAY.
I'D LIKE TO GIVE A BIG SHOUT OF THANKS TO SHANNON LOPER FROM
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BEAUFORT COUNTY PARKS AND REC FOR GETTING US HERE TODAY TO THEIR MAINTENANCE SUPERVISOR, JACK FRIPP, WHO MADE THE PARK BEAUTIFUL AND USER FRIENDLY.AND THEIR STAFF, JEREMY AND HEATHER ARE ALSO HERE.
THANKS, MR. GLOVER AND PURLEY SUE, THANK YOU SO MUCH.
BLESS YOU FOR LAUNCHING THE NEW TENNIS COURTS AND THANK YOU ALL FOR BEING HERE TODAY.
WELL, IN CLOSING, EVERYBODY'S KIND OF BEEN THANKED, BUT I'D STILL LIKE TO THANK A FEW MORE.
UM, THANK YOU ALL FOR COMING OUT HERE TODAY.
WE'RE SUPER EXCITED ABOUT BEING ABLE TO OPEN UP THE COURTS.
IT'S BEEN A LONG TIME COMING AND I THINK EVERYBODY CAN AGREE WITH THAT.
UM, WE'RE REALLY EXCITED AT PARKS AND REC TO HAVE, UM, LARRY SHEPHERD AS, UM, PART OF OUR STAFF NOW, UM, TO BE WORKING WITH US, BUT ALSO TO BE WORKING AND DOING CLINICS OUT HERE.
UM, WE FEEL LIKE THAT IT'S GONNA BE A GREAT PARTNERSHIP BY HAVING HIM ON BOARD TO BE ABLE TO NOT ONLY MONITOR THE COURTS, BUT TO BE ABLE TO OFFER MORE PROGRAMS FOR THE KIDS, FREE PROGRAMS FOR THE KIDS, AND TO BE ABLE TO OFFER LESSONS WITH THE KIDS.
UM, WE STILL HAVE A FEW THINGS TO FINISH UP, SO IT'S A WORK IN PROGRESS, BUT WE'VE COME A LONG WAY WITH IT.
UM, AS WE, UM, PROGRESS OVER THE NEXT FEW WEEKS, YOU'LL SEE SOME ADDITIONAL LIGHTING, UM, THAT'LL BE DONE.
UM, SOME WATER FOUNTAIN CHANGE OUTS, UM, MESSAGE BOARDS ADDED, AND, UM, JUST ODDS AND ENDS THAT NEED TO BE DONE.
WE'LL HAVE, UM, MORE SIGNS, WE'LL HAVE THE COURTS NUMBERED.
UM, BUT WE WANTED TO GET EVERYBODY OUT HERE AND, AND START PLAYING TENNIS WITHOUT ANY MORE HOLD UP.
UM, I REALLY WOULD LIKE TO THANK THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT, UM, FOR OVERSEEING THE PROJECT.
UM, I REALLY THANK ERIC LARSON FOR COMING OUT HERE ON THURSDAY WHEN I WAS IN A HUGE PANIC OF HOW, HOW ARE WE GONNA GET THIS RIGHT AND HAVE HIM CALL EVERYBODY THAT HE CALLED OUT TO, UM, GET THE, UM, EVERYTHING COMPLETE AND LOOKING GOOD.
THE PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT FOR BRINGING ALL THEIR CREWS OUT.
MY MAINTENANCE CREW WHO'S BEEN OUT HERE SINCE THURSDAY, UM, CHUCK, UM, ATKINSON, WHO SUPPORTS ME IN MY ROLE AS THE PARKS AND REC DIRECTOR, AND ALSO WHAT I CALL OUR DYNAMIC DUO, ERIC AND WHITNEY, FOR BRINGING, UM, THE OLD PARKS AND REC BACK TO LIFE AND REALLY SUPPORTING US, UM, IN THE PARKS AND REC DEPARTMENT.
SO, UM, IF EVERYBODY IS READY, WE'RE GONNA CUT THE RIBBON AND, UM, EVERYBODY CAN SERVE UP, START SOME MATCHES AND HIT THE BALLS.
HI, MY NAME IS JAVIER ZEBRA AND I AM A VOLUNTEER AT THE BEAUFORT COUNTY ALCOHOL AND DRUG ABUSE DEPARTMENT.
UH, IT'S IMPORTANT TO ME BECAUSE I MYSELF HAD STRUGGLES WITH ALCOHOL AND DRUGS AND I THINK, UH, ME BEING A MEMBER OF SOCIETY AND, UH, AND IN RECOVERY AND BEING BILINGUAL AS WELL, UH, IS A BIG PLUS TO BE SERVING ON THIS PARTICULAR BOARD.
I'VE BEEN IN THIS, UH, IN THIS COUNTY FOR 26 YEARS AND I'VE SEEN THE GROWTH AND I SEE THE, THE IMPACT AND THE DAMAGE THAT ALCOHOL AND, UH, DRUGS AND NEW DRUGS HAS AFFECTED OUR COMMUNITY.
AND, UH, BY ME BEING OF SERVICE AND EXPERIENCING, UM, SHARING MY EXPERIENCE WITH ALCOHOL AND DRUGS AND GETTING THE MESSAGE OUT THERE AND TELLING, UH, LETTING PEOPLE KNOW THAT THERE IS LIFE AFTER ALCOHOL AND DRUGS AND, UH, WE, THE BOARD, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE HERE FOR, TO OFFER A, A NEW BEGINNING FOR SOMEBODY THAT, UH, THINKS, UH, THAT THEY'RE LOST.
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