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CLOSED CAPTIONING PROVIDED BY BUFORT COUNTY.
IT IS ONE O'CLOCK AND I'D LIKE TO CALL THIS MEETING.
I'D LIKE TO CALL THIS MEETING.
ALRIGHT, SO, UM, CAN, CAN, CAN Y'ALL HEAR ME? YES, WE CAN.
UM, I'D LIKE TO GO AHEAD AND CALL THIS MEETING TO ORDER THE WILLIAM HILTON, UH, GATEWAY CORRIDOR INDEPENDENT REVIEW ADVISORY COMMITTEE.
AND DO WE HAVE APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES FROM FEBRUARY 14TH? YOU CAN TURN MY MICROPHONE DOWN.
WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY RAISING YOUR RIGHT HAND.
SO, MOVED ALL UNFINISHED BUSINESS.
UPDATED, UH, PROJECT ON SCOPE REPORT.
UM, THE UPDATE ON THE SCOPE OF WORK, UH, LAMEER HAS EMBEDDED IT INTO THEIR PRESENTATION, WHICH WILL COME UP UNDER NEW BUSINESS.
UM, ITEM FOUR B, SO I JUST SOON DEFER, UM, FOR TIMING TO, TO MOVE THAT, UM, INTO THAT SECTION.
UH, READY TO MOVE INTO NEW BUSINESS.
UM, I, I WANTED TO ADD A, AN UPDATE ON PARALLEL WORK THAT'S, UH, GOING ON IN, UH, CONJUNCTION WITH THE WORK THE OF THE INDEPENDENT STUDY.
WE CAN'T HEAR, WE'RE, WE'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT THE CAMERAS REAL QUICK FOR THE OTHER FOLKS.
ANYBODY HAVE ANY BIG EASTER PLANS THIS WEEKEND?
THEY'RE GETTING SOME ERRORS ON INPUT ONE AND INPUT FIVE.
SO GO FOR ANOTHER MINUTE JUST TO SEE.
'CAUSE I'D LIKE TO HAVE WHOEVER'S ON LINE FOR THEM TO BE ABLE TO SEE IT.
UM, YES, ALL THAT JUST CAME IN.
WE'RE STILL ADDRESSING SOME TECHNICAL ISSUES.
SO ANYBODY FROM THE TECHNICAL WORKING GROUP, CAN YOU FIX THIS
I, I WILL TAKE A MOMENT TO RECOGNIZE, UH, WE HAVE THREE COUNCIL MEMBERS HERE.
MS. BECKER IN THE BACK LEFT MS. PRICE IN THE BACK, RIGHT? AND MR. ALFRED UP FRONT FOR BEING HERE TODAY.
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IN LIEU OF THINGS, I'D GIVE ANOTHER 30 SECONDS OR SIX SOMETHING.SO WE, WE, WE'VE GOT AN UPDATE.
UM, THERE IS AN ISSUE WITH THE COUNTY CHANNEL.
UM, THE MEETING IS BEING RECORDED AND WE'LL BE UP FOR REVIEW LATER.
HOPEFULLY WE'LL BE ABLE TO PULL IT IN LIVE HERE IN A LITTLE BIT, BUT WE ARE HAVING THOSE DIFFICULTIES FROM THE COUNTY SIDE.
SO WITH THAT, LET'S GO AHEAD AND CONTINUE.
UM, I JUST WANTED TO GIVE THE COMMITTEE AN UPDATE ON A PARALLEL, UM, EFFORT THAT WE'VE BEEN ENGAGED WITH, UM, IN ADDITION TO WORKING WITH LOCK MUELLER ON THE INDEPENDENT STUDY, UM, AND SOME OF THIS UPDATE I'M SHARING ON BEHALF OF THOMAS BOXLEY, THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF OUR GULLAH GEECHEE HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOOD COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION.
UM, SO FOR BETWEEN DECEMBER AND MARCH, UM, THE, UH, CDC HAS HOSTED SEVERAL MEETINGS WITH PROPERTY OWNERS AND BUSINESS OWNERS WITHIN THE, UM, MOST IMPACTED, WHICH YOU SEEN ON THE SCREEN HERE.
UH, THERE'S BEEN NINE MEETINGS HOSTED BY THE CDC DURING THAT TIMEFRAME.
UH, THERE WAS A COMMUNITY MEETING HELD AT THE HILTON HEAD LIBRARY, ATTENDED BY BOTH TOWN AND COUNTY REPRESENTATIVES, UM, TO GET INPUT AND REALLY TO SHARE WHAT IMPACTS, UM, CURRENTLY ARE BEING PROPOSED BY THE ALTERNATIVE THAT BEAUFORT COUNTY HAS, HAS POSITIONED.
AND SO THERE'S, UH, BEEN SOME INFORMATION, UH, THAT WAS DEVELOPED AND SHARED.
AS YOU CAN SEE, UH, THIS DIAGRAM, UM, IN GENERAL SHOWS THE CURRENT PROPOSED ALTERNATIVE BY BEAUFORT COUNTY.
THE RED LINE SHOW THE LIMITS OF THE RIGHT OF WAY AND THE IMPACT OF PROPERTY, UH, WITHIN THE AREA.
UM, SONY, UM, THIS SHOWS, UH, THE PROPERTIES IMPACTED THOSE IN GREEN ARE PUBLICLY OWNED PROPERTIES.
THOSE THAT ARE IN PAINT COLOR ARE, ARE PRIVATELY HELD PROPERTIES, UH, IMPACTED BY THE PROPOSED.
UM, AND THEN WITHIN THE SONY SECTION OF THE, OF THE PROJECT.
SO STARTING ON, UM, STARTING OUT HERE NEAR, UH, RIGHT BEFORE YOU GET TO CRAZY CRAB AS YOU COME ON ISLAND, UM, YOU COME ACROSS THE CAUSEWAY FROM JENKINS ISLAND, UH, WE'VE DONE A SET A SECTION VIEW TO LOOK AT THE PROPOSED RIGHT OF WAY.
AND THIS IS THE EXISTING CONDITION AT THE TOP.
SO THERE'S 105 FEET OF EXISTING RIGHT OF WAY.
THE ROADWAY SECTION WITHIN THAT RIGHT OF WAY IS CURRENTLY 76 FEET WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT, UM, ON THE CROSS SECTION FROM BACK OF CURB ON THE SIDEWALK BACK, CURB ON THE SIDEWALK.
UM, AND THEN WHAT THE COUNTY'S PROPOSING.
AND THE CURRENT PROJECT, UM, WITHIN THAT SECTION HAS A HUNDRED FEET, 105 FEET OF RIGHT OF WAY AND 103 FOOT ROAD SECTION.
BUT BECAUSE THE, UM, THE WIDENING IS ALL IT'S ASYMMETRIC TO THE NORTH SIDE, YOU'RE SEEING ADDITIONAL RIGHT OF WAY MEANS THROUGH THAT SEGMENT ON THE NORTH SIDE.
UM, WHILE THERE'S SOME ADDITIONAL RIGHT OF WAY, UM, AN EXCESS ON THE SOUTH SIDE, UH, MOVING THROUGH THE CORRIDOR, UM, CENTRALIZED, UH, IN THAT STONY SECTION, UH, YOU CAN SEE THE RIGHT OF WAY HERE.
EXISTING IS A LITTLE NARROW OR A HUNDRED FEET, BUT THE ROADWAY SECTION IS STILL SEVEN SIX SIDEWALK THERE SIDEWALK THERE.
UM, UNDER THE COUNTY PROPOSAL, UM, WHICH HOUSES ADDITIONAL
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RIGHT OF WAY NEED ON THAT SIDE IMPACT HUNDRED FOOT RIGHT OF WAY SECTION NEED HUNDRED EIGHT FEET CAN SEE KIND OF A, UH, A PERSPECTIVE OR, UM, VIEW OF THAT, OF THAT AREA.AND AS YOU GET CLOSER, UM, TO THE, YOU CAN SEE THAT THERE, THERE'S 15 FEET OF RIGHT OF, AND 85 FOOT ROAD SECTION CURRENTLY BECAUSE OF THE, AND THEN YOU CAN SEE WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED HERE AT THE BOTTOM ROAD SECTION ASYMMETRIC, UM, TO THE NORTH, WHICH IS INCREASING THAT RIGHT OF IMPACT ON THAT SIDE OF THE STREET.
SO, UH, WE'VE THESE AND HAVE SHARED THESE WITH THE COUNTY ALONG PROPERTY ORDERS.
SO THERE'S AN UNDERSTANDING OF THE IMPACTS.
WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO WITHIN THIS SECTION IS TO TRY TO REDUCE THE AMOUNT OF IMPACT, UH, THE PROPERTIES AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE WITH SOME DESIGN CONSIDERATIONS.
UM, AND SO THAT'S WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING IN PARALLEL BUILD THAT.
UM, AND UH, THAT COMPLETES PART AND, UH, IF THERE'S ANY QUESTION, I CAN ANSWER THOSE.
ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMITTEE AT THIS POINT? NO.
FEEDBACK FROM, YES, THAT'S ONE THING THAT, UM, KATE DID MENTION THAT, UM, SHE'S HAVING A HARD TIME HEARING SEAN.
SO SPEAKING TO THE MICS, UM, THIS IS JUST A TEST FOR EVERYBODY THAT'S ON THE GROUP.
CAN YOU ALL SEE THE SCREEN, HEAR EVERYBODY? UH, YES, I CAN HEAR YOU AND WE CAN SEE THE TEAMS, UH, YOU KNOW, CIRCLES BEING SHARED.
YOU, OKAY? WELL, CRISIS AVERTED, THAT WAS A LITTLE BIT WORRISOME AT FIRST.
SO, UM, UH, MAYOR TOWN COUNCIL OR, UH, COMMITTEE, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR OPPORTUNITY TO MEET WITH YOU AGAIN.
I KNOW IT'S BEEN A FEW WEEKS SINCE WE LAST MET, BUT REST ASSURED WE'VE BEEN WORKING VERY, VERY HARD AND WE HAVE A LOT OF, UH, GREAT INFORMATION TO SHARE WITH YOU TODAY FOR OUR AGENDA.
I'M GONNA START OFF BY GIVING YOU ALL A UPDATE ON THE PROGRESS THAT WE'VE BEEN MAKING SINCE OUR FEBRUARY MEETING, AS WELL AS, UH, PERCENT COMPLETE ON ALL OF OUR, UM, MAJOR TASKS UP TO THIS POINT.
AND THEN KATE IS GOING TO GO INTO THE PRESENTATION REGARDING THE 2023 EXISTING IN 2020, UH, I'M SORRY, THE 2045, NO BUILD CONDITIONS RELATED TO OUR VISTA FINDINGS.
IF YOU RECALL, DURING THE FEBRUARY MEETING, WE HAD THE 2023 COMPLETED, BUT WE FELT THERE WAS, UH, MUCH MORE BENEFIT IN BRINGING THE 2045 NO BUILDS TO YOU ON THE SAME DAY SO THAT YOU CAN SEE WHAT'S OCCURRING TODAY IN VISO AND THEN WHAT'S PROJECTED IN 2045 IF THERE'S NO IMPROVEMENTS MADE ALONG THE CORRIDOR.
AND THEN THAT KIND OF LEADS VERY NATURALLY INTO, UH, KATE THEN UNVEILING THE FOUR RECOMMENDED ALTERNATIVES THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE SHARING WITH YOU ALL FOR CONSIDERATION TO THE COMMITTEE AND ULTIMATELY TO TOWN COUNCIL.
AS I SAID, WE'VE BEEN VERY BUSY OVER THE LAST SIX WEEKS, AND I WILL NOT GO THROUGH EVERY BIT OF TEXT ON THAT SLIDE.
REALLY, THE, THE MAJOR COMPONENT WAS GETTING THROUGH THE 2045, NO BUILD S MODELING AND UNDERSTAND WHAT THE LEVELS OF SERVICE WERE FROM OUR VISIN MODEL.
AND THEN FROM THERE, THAT SERVED AS THE BASE POINT IN HELPING US DETERMINE WHICH ALTERNATIVES BEST MITIGATED THE DEFICIENCIES SHOWN.
WE'VE COME UP WITH FOUR ALTERNATIVES.
UM, THERE'S NO RANKING ORDER, UM, WITH THOSE, THEY'RE JUST LABELED, UH, SEQUENTIALLY.
WE HAVE TRAFFIC OPERATIONS AND FINDINGS READY FOR YOU TODAY TO DISCUSS.
HOWEVER, ALTERNATIVE NUMBER FOUR IS A LITTLE BIT MORE COMPLEX AND WE'RE WORKING ON THAT.
THE GOAL IS TO BRING FORTH THE TRAFFIC OPERATING CONDITIONS FOR ALTERNATIVE FOUR AT THE UPCOMING COMMITTEE MEETING ON THE 10TH, AND ALSO BRING THE, UH, ROADWAY RIGHT OF WAY, ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS.
AND WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A MATRIX PREPARED THAT SHOWS HOW THEY, UH, GRADE AGAINST ONE ANOTHER UNDERNEATH THE CRITERIA SET FORTH IN THE MATRIX.
NOW, I WANTED TO GIVE YOU, UH, AN OVERALL PROJECT PROGRESS UPDATE, AND THEN IN TERMS OF LIKE A PER TASK.
SO OVERALL, I FEEL THAT AS OF MARCH 22ND WHEN WE SUBMITTED THE SLIDE DECK TO SEAN TO ULTIMATELY TO PROVIDE TO THE COMMITTEE, THERE WERE PROBABLY ABOUT ALMOST 50% OF THE WAY THERE.
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ALL THE WAY THROUGH TASK FIVE.AND JUST AS A REMINDER TO THE, THE GROUP, WHEN I REFER TO TASKS ONE THROUGH FIVE, THAT'S RELATING TO THE SCOPE OF SERVICES ADDENDUM THAT WE PREPARED.
I WORKED CLOSELY WITH SEAN, YOU ALL SAW APPROVED BY COUNSEL.
IT'S TAKING THE INFORMATION THAT IS WITHIN THE TOWN APPROVED RFQ, BUT JUST REFORMATTING IT A BIT TO WALK THROUGH CHRONOLOGICALLY HOW WE WERE GOING TO COMPLETE THE PROJECT.
AND SO IN TASK ONE, THAT WAS THE FRONT END, THE FRONT END WORK INITIATION AND COORDINATION, THAT'S WHERE THINGS LIKE THE SITE VISIT WAS COMPLETED.
UM, SO WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO COMPLETE A SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF THAT.
THERE ARE ITEMS THAT WILL REMAIN THROUGHOUT THE REST OF THE PROJECT, SUCH AS MEETINGS.
WE'RE GONNA CONTINUE TO MEET WITH YOU ALL.
WE'RE GONNA CONTINUE TO, YOU KNOW, AS WE BEGIN PREPARING DETAILED REPORTS AND, UM, MEMOS, WE'RE GONNA HARKEN BACK TO PREVIOUSLY COMPLETED REPORTS IF WE NEED TO REFERENCE A CERTAIN ITEM.
AND THEN, UH, THERE'S UH, SOME BRIEF TECHNICAL MEMORANDUMS AND HIGH OPINION OR OPINIONS OF PROBABLE COSTS THAT REALLY ARE IN PARALLEL.
THERE'S NOTHING THAT'S THERE THAT'S PRECLUDING WHAT WE'RE DOING MOVING FORWARD.
TASK NUMBER TWO, THAT WAS A REVIEW OF THE EXISTING OPERATING CONDITIONS AND THE TRAVEL DEMAND MODEL.
THE RESULTS OF TASK NUMBER TWO WERE BROUGHT FORTH AT THE FEBRUARY 14TH MEETING.
THAT'S WHERE WE OUTLINED THE OPERATING CONDITIONS.
AND THEN THAT'S WHEN SHARIF, UH, SHARED OUR RECOMMENDED BACKGROUND
AND SINCE THAT IS COMPLETED, WE WOULD CONSIDER TASK TWO 100% COMPLETE.
TASK THREE IS LOOKING AT WHAT WE CALL THE MODIFIED ORIGINAL PROJECT STUDY AREA.
AND THAT IS CONSIDERING THE INTERSECTIONS WITHIN BLUFFTON AT MOSS CREEK AND BUCK BUCKINGHAM PLANTATION ACROSS US 2 78 BRIDGE ONTO THE ISLAND AND THEN PASSED CROSS ISLAND PARKWAY TO GUMTREE ROAD.
AS YOU ALL KNOW, THE DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION STUDY DIDN'T INCLUDE THOSE BOOKENDED INTERSECTIONS, AND WE'RE DOING THAT RIGHT NOW.
WE DECIDED TO MOVE THIS CORRIDOR UP TO THE FRONT OF OUR EVALUATION SO Y'ALL WOULD UNDERSTAND WHAT WE RECOMMEND NEEDED TO BE DONE ON THAT CORRIDOR.
AND IN TERMS OF PERCENT COMPLETE, THAT MAY SEEM QUITE LOW.
BUT AS I SAID, SOME OF THE MAJOR ITEMS THAT WE ARE GONNA BRING FORTH ON MARCH 10TH WOULD BE, UH, THERE'S A SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEWS THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE COMPLETED BY THEN, THE RIGHT OF WAY, UM, EVALUATIONS AND HIGH OPINIONS OF, UH, PROBABLE COSTS.
I JUST WANNA CORRECT YOU, YOU SAID MARCH 10TH, AND THAT'S APRIL 10TH, I'M SORRY, APRIL 10TH.
UM, THAT SHARES WHAT WE'RE CONTINUING TO WORK ON.
I KIND OF ALLUDED TO THAT IN THE BEGINNING.
AND THEN THE KEY SUB TASKS FORTHCOMING, THE ULTIMATE DELIVERABLE FOR TASK NUMBER THREE WOULD BE THE, UH, SUMMARY OF FINDINGS MEMO WITH ACCOMPANYING EXHIBITS THAT OUTLINES EVERYTHING THAT WE'VE DONE TO DATE, DATE TO GET TO THIS POINT THROUGH TASK THREE.
AND THEN ALSO TO SEAN, WHEN WE WERE PREPARING THE SCOPE ASKED US TO, UM, BUDGET FOR A, UM, IF DESIRED TO HAVE PARTICIPATION IN A PUBLIC OPEN HOUSE WITH THE COMMUNITY, PARTICULARLY THE STONY COMMUNITY THAT WOULD BE LED BY, UH, SEAN'S STAFF AS WELL AS THEIR PLANNING CONSULTANT.
AND I DON'T HAVE ANY SLIDES FOR THE NEXT TWO, TWO TASKS.
THEY HAVEN'T BEEN COMPLETED YET OR STARTED BECAUSE TASK THREE NEEDS TO BE COMPLETE BEFORE WE MOVE ON TO TASK FOUR, BECAUSE AS I SAID, TASK THREE IS TO GET THAT ALIGNMENT FROM MOSS CREEK THROUGH TO, TO GUMTREE ROAD.
AND THEN OFF OF THAT, THAT'S WHEN WE'LL BEGIN EVALUATING ALL THE DOWNSTREAM INTERSECTIONS FROM THERE.
AND THAT WOULD BE TASK FOUR, AND THEN RUNNING A VISTA MODEL OF ALL THE INTERSECTIONS COLLECTIVELY.
AND THEN TASK FIVE IS SIMPLY JUST THE SUMMATION OF EVERYTHING, THE FORMAL TRAFFIC SAFETY AND OPERATIONS REPORT, AND THEN THE ULTIMATE PRESENTATION TO THE COUNCIL.
SO THAT IS AN UPDATE ON WHERE WE STAND AND WHAT'S BEEN COMPLETED SINCE OUR LAST MEETING.
UH, BEFORE I HAND IT OVER TO KATE, I DID JUST WANT TO OFFER IF ANYBODY HAD ANY QUESTIONS, WHAT I'VE COVERED SO FAR.
ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMITTEE? NO, UM, GOING BACK, UH, SO WHEN YOU TRAVEL DEMAND MODEL, I THINK, UM, ANY WHICH WAY WE PLAY IT, UH, THE TRAFFIC OVER THE CROSS ISLAND WILL INCREASE AND IT WILL HAVE, I MEAN, IT'S ALMOST THE FLOOD GATES GOING OPEN, UH, ONTO CINE CIRCLE.
SO, UM, ARE YOU PLANNING TO, UH, GET SOLUTIONS FOR CINE CIRCLE AS A PART OF TASK FOUR? YES.
WHERE DOES THAT STAND AT THE MOMENT? HAVE YOU STARTED THAT OR IS THAT NO, AS AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, WE ARE GONNA, WE NEED TO GET TASK THREE COMPLETED WITH UNDERSTANDING WHAT A CORRIDOR ORDER AND ALIGNMENT, BECAUSE WHAT, WHAT'S AFFECTED HERE DETERMINES THE THROUGHPUT.
YES, THAT'S A SUBSTANTIAL DISTANCE.
UM, BUT WE'VE BEEN WAITING TO MOVE ANYTHING WITH THOSE INTERSECTIONS.
WE HAVE THE, WE UNDERSTAND WHAT THE 2045 NO BUILDING SYNCROS ARE, BUT WE HAVEN'T DONE ANYTHING IN SSO
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WITH THESE INTERSECTIONS TO MITIGATE ANY DEFICIENCIES THAT ARE THERE RIGHT NOW.ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY, KATE, UM, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND TURN OVER TO YOU TO BEGIN SPEAKING ABOUT THE 2023 EXISTING RESULTS.
CAN Y'ALL HEAR ME OKAY? YES, VERY WELL.
SO AS NATE MENTIONED, I WILL FIRST WALK THROUGH SOME OF OUR EXISTING, UM, AND NO BUILD VISIM RESULTS.
WE CAN HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT OUR FINALIZED FINDINGS.
UM, MANY OF THE NUMBERS, UM, WELL ALL THE NUMBERS ON THIS SLIDE REALLY WILL NOT BE NEW TO THIS COMMITTEE.
THESE ARE, UM, WHAT WE PRESENTED IN OUR PRIOR MEETING AS PRELIMINARY.
AND THEN AS WE HAVE STEPPED THROUGH AND FINALIZED THE EXISTING AND NO BUILD VISTA MODELS, UM, YOU KNOW, SOME SMALL TWEAKS, WE ARE COMFORTABLE CALLING THESE FINAL NOW, UM, GETTING A LITTLE BIT OF FEEDBACK.
I DON'T, UM, I'LL KEEP GOING THOUGH.
UM, SO THE, THE MAIN THING I WANT YOU GUYS TO GET FROM THIS SLIDE IS THAT, UH, LET'S PAY ATTENTION TO THE PERCENT DIFFERENCES, WHICH ARE THE TWO COLUMNS TOWARDS THE END OF THE TABLE HERE.
AGAIN, THIS IS THE SAME TABLE THAT WE PRESENTED TO YOU AT OUR PRIOR MEETING.
AND, UH, THE, THE POINT IN SHOWING THIS, WE LOOK AT OUR OBSERVED TRAVEL TIME IN SECONDS, AND THEN THE SIMULATED TRAVEL TIME IN SECONDS FROM OUR VISIM MODEL.
THE OBSERVED TRAVEL TIMES WERE WHAT WE COLLECTED DURING OUR SITE VISITS, THAT'S REAL ACTUAL DATA.
AND OUR TARGETS TO CONSIDER THE MODEL SUCCESSFULLY CALIBRATED ARE THE PERCENT DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THOSE TWO VALUES, ALL LESS THAN 10%.
SO AS YOU CAN SEE IN THE LAST TWO COLUMNS OF THIS TABLE, WE ARE WITHIN THAT 10% THRESHOLD FOR OUR EXISTING RESULTS.
AND THEREFORE WE CONSIDER THE RESULTS, UH, VALID.
AND WE BELIEVE WE HAVE A VERY WELL CALIBRATED MODEL, A GOOD SOLID BASELINE TO STEP INTO OUR FUTURE NO BUILD ANALYSIS AND ULTIMATELY PROVIDE SOLID RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THE FOUR ALTERNATIVES AS TO WHAT COULD POTENTIALLY HELP THE CORRIDOR IN THE FUTURE.
YOU CAN GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, NATE, UH, TREND.
OKAY, UH, AGAIN, THIS IS ANOTHER EXISTING RESULTS TABLE ABOUT VOLUMES THIS TIME.
SO PRIOR WAS TRAVEL TIME RESULTS.
THIS IS OUR EXISTING VOLUME RESULTS.
VOLUME IS THE, UM, YOU KNOW, THE NUMBER OF VEHICLES GENERALLY AT A SPECIFIC POINT IN THE SYSTEM, THE POINT DENOTED BY THE LOCATION ON THE LEFT HAND OF THE SLIDE.
SO AGAIN, LET'S PAY ATTENTION TO THE COLUMNS ON THE FAR RIGHT HAND OF THE TABLE.
ALL OF THE PERCENT DIFFERENCES ARE WITHIN 10%.
THEREFORE, WE ARE AGAIN COMFORTABLE THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, WITH THE SECOND STAND, THE VOLUME, BOTH, UH, THOSE DIFFERENTIALS, BOTH RESTING WITHIN OUR 10% THRESHOLD.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE'RE CONFIDENT IN THE RESULTS OF OUR EXISTING CONDITIONS MODEL.
SO ON THE NEXT SLIDE, WE WILL SHOW A FEW SPEED MAPS AM FIRST FOLLOWED BY PM.
SO SPEED MAPS ARE NOT NECESSARILY, UM, LIKE THE SPEED, THE POSTED SPEED LIMIT OF THE ROADWAY, RIGHT? THESE SPEED MAPS ARE GENERALLY HOW FAST DOES TRAFFIC ARE VEHICLES ABLE TO FLOW THROUGH THE NETWORK AND THE COLORS THAT YOU'LL SEE, UM, YOU KNOW, IT IS ZOOMED UP TO BE VERY HIGH LEVEL, BUT THE COLORS SHOULD STILL SHOW THROUGH.
THE AREAS THAT ARE YELLOW TO ORANGE TO RED ARE CONGESTED TO MORE SEVERELY CONGESTED POTENTIALLY STANDSTILL CONDITIONS AT TIMES WHERE THOSE RED AREAS ARE GREEN ARE AREAS WHERE GENERALLY FOR MOST OF THE PEAK HOUR OF THE MODEL, IT WAS FLOWING REASONABLY WELL.
THERE MAY HAVE BEEN A FEW BLIPS HERE OR THERE, BUT, UM, ON AN AVERAGE WE CAN GET AN IDEA OF HOW THE QUARTER IS PERFORMING FROM THESE MAPS.
ANOTHER THING I WANTED TO NOTE OUT QUICKLY, UM, BEFORE WE PROCEED, UM, YOU KNOW, THERE HAVE BEEN A FEW COMMENTS PREVIOUSLY ABOUT THE VOLUMES THAT WE'RE USING IN THE STUDY AND HOW WE SHOULD NOT FOCUS ON A A DT ALONE.
WE SHOULD ALSO FOCUS ON THE PEAK HOUR FACTOR, UM, EXCUSE ME, THE PEAK HOUR VOLUMES FOR BOTH THE AM AND THE PM AND UNDERSTAND HOW THE SYSTEM WORKS AT YOUR MOST CONGESTED POINTS, WHICH WOULD BE THE COMMUTER PEAKS AS WELL AS THE ENTIRE DAY.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, I WANT TO CLARIFY THAT OUR MODELS THAT WE BUILD, OUR VISTA MODELS ARE BASED ON HOURLY VOLUME DATA, BOTH THE AM AND THE PM.
AND WE ALSO USE A DT VALUES IN A HIGHER LEVEL GENERAL CAPACITY TO TALK ABOUT ROADWAY CHARACTERISTICS.
BUT PLEASE REST ASSURED THAT OUR MODELS ARE BASED ON HOURLY DATA AND THE VE THE SPECIFIC HOURLY VOLUMES FOR ANY MOVEMENT IN QUESTION IS FOUND IN THE APPENDIX OF THIS PRESENTATION.
IF ANYBODY IS CURIOUS TO GO, UM, YOU KNOW, LOOK THROUGH THAT AND HAVE, IF WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE VOLUMES IN THE AM OR P AND PEAK PERIOD FOR VERY SPECIFIC INTERSECTIONS, UM,
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YOU KNOW, WE HAVE, WE HAVE THAT DATA AVAILABLE, IT'S IN THE APPENDIX OF THIS PRESENTATION, AND I WOULD, YOU KNOW, IF WE HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT, I WOULD CALL ON, UH, MY COLLEAGUE WHO'S ALSO PART OF THIS MEETING, MICHELLE ROMA, AND SHE CAN LOOK THAT UP FOR US QUICKLY SO THAT INFORMATION'S AVAILABLE TO US TOO AS PART OF OUR DISCUSSION.UM, SO BACK TO THE SPEED MAPS, GENERALLY WHAT I'M SEEING, WHAT I TAKE AWAY FROM THIS MAP FOR AM IS THAT WE REALLY HAVE OUR MAIN PINCH POINT ORIGINATING FROM THE BRIDGE.
WE CAN SEE THE EXISTING BRIDGE, THE EXISTING FOUR-LANE BRIDGE ON 2 78.
YOU CAN SEE THAT MOST OF OUR RED IN THE LONGEST, UH, YOU KNOW, THE LONGEST SECTIONS ORIGINATE, UH, YOU KNOW, FROM MAINLAND TRAFFIC TRYING TO COME ONTO THE ISLAND IN THE MORNING, WHICH IS CONSISTENT WITH THE COMMUTER PEAKS THAT WE HAVE IN THIS AREA, AND CONSISTENT WITH THE DELAY THAT WE OBSERVED DURING OUR PEAK HOUR OBSERVATIONS.
AND OF COURSE, UM, STILL HOLDS TRUE WITH THE, UH, YOU KNOW, THE EXPERIENCES THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, YOU FOLKS HAVE LIVING IN THIS AREA.
YOU CAN ALSO NOTICE THAT THE INTERSECTIONS, THE AT GRADE INTERSECTIONS WILL POP RED.
UH, YOU KNOW, THE CORRIDORS BETWEEN THE INTERSECTIONS WILL FLUCTUATE VARIOUS DIFFERENT COLORS.
BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S PRETTY TRUE ACROSS THE CORRIDOR THAT OUR SIGNALED INTERSECTIONS HAVE A LOT OF CONGESTION AND THERE IS A LOT OF TRAFFIC TRYING TO FLOW THROUGH ONE BOTTLENECK POINT.
AND WE CAN SEE THAT REFLECTED IN THE SPEED MAPS HERE.
UM, IF WE FLIP TO THE PM SPEED MAP, WE'LL SEE MUCH OF THE SAME, ALTHOUGH FLIP FLOPPED, RIGHT? SO WHEREAS IN OUR AM PEAK HOUR COMMUTING PEOPLE ARE MAINLY COMING FROM THE MAINLAND ACROSS THE BRIDGE ONTO THE ISLAND.
IT FLIPS IN THE PM PEOPLE WHO COME TO THE ISLAND TO WORK OR FOR LEISURE, UH, PERHAPS RETURN HOME TO THE MAINLAND IN PM.
AND SO WE WILL SEE MUCH OF THAT CONGESTION CENTERED AROUND THE CROSS ISLAND PARKWAY INTERCHANGE WITH 2 78 SPANISH WELLS GUMTREE.
UM, ALL OF THIS IS DATA THAT PRESENTED ITSELF THROUGH OUR OTHER ANALYSIS AND ALL OF OUR, UH, PEAK HOUR METRIC TABLES FOR THE EXISTING CONDITIONS.
AND IT AGAIN, UM, YOU KNOW, TELLS THE SAME STORY WHEN WE LOOK AT THE SPEED MAPS FOR THE CORRIDOR.
SO IF WE CONTINUE ONTO THE NEXT SLIDE, WE ALSO ARE ABLE TO PRODUCE VIDEOS OF OUR VIS MODELS, WHICH IS A REALLY NEAT TOOL, UH, INTERACTIVE THAT BRINGS, UH, YOU KNOW, THE ANALYSIS TO LIFE, SO TO SPEAK, HELPS VISUALIZE THINGS MORE.
SO NATE'S GONNA GO AHEAD AND PLAY THIS EXISTING VSIM MODEL.
THIS IS FROM, UM, THE AM PEAK HOUR.
AND SO THE POINT OF THIS ILLUSTRATION IS REALLY TO BRING TO LIFE THE MODEL AND HOPEFULLY LET YOU GUYS VISUALLY SEE KIND OF HOW THE CALIBRATION, UH, PLAYED OUT IN REAL LIFE.
AND OUR GOAL WAS TO CAPTURE, UH, SOME OF THE CONGESTION IN THE VARIOUS AREAS THROUGHOUT THE CORRIDOR.
UM, WE DON'T HAVE THE ENTIRE CORRIDOR SHOT ON THIS ONE VIDEO SNIP, UM, BUT WE, WE WERE HOPING TO REALLY JUST ILLUSTRATE THE MOST CONGESTED POINTS ALONG THE CORRIDOR AND GIVE YOU A, A GENERAL VISUAL OF, UM, WHAT WE HOPE IS A, IS REPRESENTATION, UH, A VISUAL REPRESENTATION OF WHAT THE, THE HARD DATA IS SHOWING US NOW, SOMETHING IMPORTANT TO NOTE ABOUT THE VIDEOS, THEY ARE TAKEN FROM ONE POINT IN TIME THROUGHOUT THE PEAK HOUR.
OUR MODEL ANALYZES AN ENTIRE HOUR AND DOES AN AGGREGATE OF THE RESULTS TO GET US OUR METRICS THAT WE'RE PUTTING INTO THESE TABLES.
BUT THIS VIDEO'S FROM, YOU KNOW, LIKE ONE, ONE MINUTE, ONE TWO OR THREE MINUTE TIME WITHIN THE PEAK HOUR.
SO, UH, YOU KNOW, THERE MAY BE SOME SPECIFIC POINTS IN THIS NETWORK WHERE YOU THINK, OH, I KNOW THAT THERE'S WAY MORE CONGESTION THERE IN THE MORNING THAN, THAN WHAT IS CURRENTLY SHOWN IN HERE.
WELL, OUR, WE MAY JUST HAVE BLOWN THE VIDEO OVER THE CORRIDOR AT A TIME WHEN THE MAIN LINE WAS IN THE MIDDLE OF A VERY LARGE GREEN BAND SO THAT THE QUEUE HAD NOT PROPAGATED AT THAT TIME.
UM, YOU KNOW, SO LET'S JUST KEEP THAT IN MIND WHEN VIEWING THESE VIDEOS.
BUT, UH, YOU KNOW, GENERALLY I DO THINK THAT THEY'RE REALLY A REALLY NEAT TOOL THAT SEM OFFERS US THAT IS, UM, ABOVE AND BEYOND WHAT SOME OF THE OTHER, UH, CAPACITY ANALYSIS SOFTWARE PROVIDES, UM, TO, TO AID IN THE VISUALIZATION OF SOME OF THESE MORE COMPLEX DISCUSSIONS.
UH, THE AM PM WHAT, AT 12 TO 12, BUT WHAT HOURS ARE YOU PULLING FROM? YEAH, SO THE AM PM DESIGNATIONS ARE GOING TO BE OUR AM PEAK HOUR AND OUR PM PEAK HOUR.
AND SO THAT'S JUST, IT'S NOT, UH, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT 12, IT'S NOT MIDNIGHT TO NOON AND THEN NOON TO, TO MIDNIGHT.
IT IS ONE HOUR OF TIME, ONE 60 MINUTE BLOCK WITHIN THE, UM, YOU KNOW, WITHIN THE COMMUTER PEAKS.
I HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION, KATE.
UM, WHAT ARE YOU USING THE DATA, THE TRAFFIC DATA FROM THE ADAPTIVE TRAFFIC SYSTEM OR, UM, WHAT
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TRAFFIC DATA ARE YOU USING FOR THIS? YEAH, GREAT QUESTION.UH, YES, WE ARE USING THE SIGNAL TIMINGS FROM THE ADAPTIVE SIGNAL SYSTEM.
UM, WE WERE ABLE TO PUT THAT INTO OUR SYNCHRO MODELS AND OUR SYNCHRO MODELS THEN TRANSLATE INTO THE NT MODELS.
SO EVEN THOUGH WE'RE USING TWO DIFFERENT MODELING SOFTWARE SYSTEMS TO SHOW YOU THIS DATA IN DIFFERENT WAYS, IT IS THE SAME BASE DATA.
SO IT IS THE SAME VOLUMES THAT HAVE GONE INTO SYNCHRO AS HAVE BEEN INPUT INTO VSIM.
AND SIMILARLY, IT'S THE SAME SIGNAL TIMINGS.
SO THE SIGNAL TIMINGS THAT WE, UH, YOU KNOW, WE WORKED WITH Q3, UH, Q3 TO GET THE EXISTING TIMINGS THAT ARE RUNNING OUT THERE TODAY.
UH, WE WORKED WITH THEM TO GET THE EXACT TIMINGS THAT WE'RE RUNNING WHEN WE DID OUR OBSERVATIONS IN DECEMBER.
SO YES, THESE SHOULD BE REFLECTIVE OF THE BENEFITS OF THE ADAPTIVE SYSTEM IN PLACE.
OR KATE, DID YOU WANNA GO AHEAD AND SHOW THE PM VIDEO, NATE? SO THIS WILL BE MUCH OF THE SAME.
SO YOU'LL SEE A SIMILAR VIEW OF THE CORRIDOR, UH, YOU KNOW, KIND OF FLYING ACROSS AND CAPTURING VARIOUS ROLLING CUES, THE CONGESTION AT DIFFERENT POINTS ALONG THE CORRIDOR.
UH, THESE VIDEOS ARE ALSO COMPLETELY CUSTOMIZABLE IF WE OR THE COMMITTEE, UH, YOU KNOW, DECIDES THAT THEY WOULD LIKE A DIFFERENT VIEW AT A DIFFERENT TIME OF A SPECIFIC INTERSECTION, UM, YOU KNOW, WE COULD CUT A NEW ONE THAT FOCUSES JUST ON SPANISH WELLS, OR WE COULD CUT A NEW ONE THAT FOCUSES JUST ON GUMTREE.
UM, BUT OUR INTENTION TODAY WAS TO GIVE THE COMMITTEE A SENSE OF, UM, YOU KNOW, BRINGING THE, BRINGING THE MODEL TO LIFE, SO TO SPEAK, INSTEAD OF JUST TRYING TO CONVEY THIS INFORMATION THROUGH A GRAPH OR SOME STATISTICS.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE, WE HOPED THAT THE VISUAL OF THE, THE CARS AND THE CUES AND THE CONGESTION WOULD, UM, YOU KNOW, GIVE YOU COMFORT THAT OUR MODEL IS CALIBRATED APPROPRIATELY AS WE BELIEVE.
YOU CAN SEE HERE THE, UM, YOU KNOW, THE RAMP FOR THE CROSS ISLAND PARKWAY IS, IS CONGESTED AND REALLY BACKED UP, WHICH ALSO HAPPENS IN THE EXISTING CONDITIONS AND THE CONGESTION IS REALLY QUITE A QUESTION.
UM, YEAH, CERTAINLY HAVE YOU, THIS IS GREAT TO HAVE THIS MODEL IN PLACE, BUT, UM, AND IT CAN BE MODIFIED.
SO HAVE YOU, UM, PLAYED AROUND WITH, UM, LOOKING AT THE RESULTS IF YOU, UH, PUT IN AN OVERPASS OR IF YOU, UH, TAKE OUT A TRAFFIC LIGHTS OR, UM, SEE WHAT THE ACTUAL EFFECT IS ON BIG HOUR, UH, TRAFFIC? YEAH, SO WE ARE GOING TO GET INTO THAT DISCUSSION TOWARDS THE END OF MY, MY TALKING TIME WITH YOU TODAY.
WE HAVE SOME IDEAS, UM, AS YOU'RE, AS YOU'RE DESCRIBING, UM, YOU KNOW, WHAT COULD POTENTIALLY BE IMPLEMENTED ALONG THE CORRIDOR TO RELIEVE SOME OF THESE AREAS OF CONGESTION.
AND WE HAVE TOYED AROUND WITH THOSE IN SYNCHRO AT THIS TIME.
WE HAVE NOT PUT THEM INTO VSIM YET.
AS NATE WAS DESCRIBING EARLIER.
UM, WE ARE, THE, THE GOAL OF DOING ALL OF THE ALTERNATIVES IN SYNCHRO WAS TO GET YOU, UH, SOME ANSWERS ON POTENTIAL SOLUTIONS THAT COULD WORK FOR THE CORRIDOR SOONER.
AND, UM, YOU KNOW, LIKE EARLIER IN THIS STUDY PROCESS, UH, THIS, SOME MODELS TAKE QUITE A LONG TIME TO CALIBRATE AS YOU GUYS HAVE SEEN.
BUT THEN AFTER THE CALIBRATION, EVEN TO INPUT VARIOUS ALTERNATIVE CONFIGURATIONS, UH, REQUIRES A LOT OF CARE AS WELL TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S DONE APPROPRIATELY.
SO AT THIS POINT, OUR IDEAS ARE IN SYNCHRO, AND THEN AT THE END OF TASK FOUR, WE WILL HAVE, UH, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE ALTERNATIVES ALSO PUT INTO TO SEM TO CONFIRM THAT OUR THOUGHTS BASED ON THE SYNCHRO RESULTS WERE ACCURATE AND ADEQUATE.
RIGHT? ANY MORE QUESTIONS ON THE VIDEOS OR THE EXISTING RESULTS BEFORE WE STEP INTO 2045 QUESTIONS? NO, HEARING NONE.
UH, SO THE 2045 NO BUILD RESULTS WERE ALSO DONE IN VISIM.
ESSENTIALLY IT TAKES OUR CALIBRATED EXISTING BISSON MODEL.
WE INSERT UPDATED VOLUMES BASED ON THE PER YEAR GROWTH RATE THAT WE WORKED, UH, YOU KNOW, WITH THE COMMITTEE, UH, YOU KNOW, VERY HARD TO DETERMINE APPROPRIATE GROWTH RATE, ALL THE TRAVEL DEMAND MODELING EXERCISES THAT SHARIF WAS ABLE TO DO.
SO THE 2045 NO BUILD MODEL REFLECTS THAT 0.56% PER YEAR GROWTH RATE, BUT IT ASSUMES THAT NOTHING HAS BEEN DONE ON THE CORRIDOR OTHER THAN MINOR SIGNAL TIMING IMPROVEMENTS.
SO NO GEOMETRIC IMPROVEMENTS, NO WIDENING, UH, YOU KNOW, NO NEW BRIDGE, UH, NONE OF THOSE THINGS.
IT REALLY IS, IF YOU LEAVE THIS PROBLEM FOR THE NEXT 20 YEARS, HOW MUCH WORSE IS IT GOING TO GET? AND
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SO, UM, YOU KNOW, AS WE HAVE SEEN, AND WE'LL SHOW ON THE NEXT FEW SLIDES, UH, YOU KNOW, TRAVEL TIME IS EXPECTED TO INCREASE BY UP TO APPROXIMATELY 62% WHEN WE COMPARE TO EXISTING CONDITIONS.AND THAT MAY NOT EVEN BE THE REAL EXTENT OF HOW BAD THE SITUATION WOULD BE.
SO THIS TABLE SHOWS TRAVEL TIME IN SECONDS.
IT'S SET UP SIMILARLY TO THE EXISTING TIMES AND THE CALIBRATION METRICS.
SO THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE DIFFERENCE ON THE EXISTING SLIDES WHERE, BETWEEN OUR OBSERVED EXISTING SECONDS AND THE MODEL EXISTING SECONDS, THE DIFFERENCE HERE IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN OUR EXISTING VISTA MODEL AND THEN THE NO BUILD 2045 VIS MODEL.
SO THIS IS TO SHOW YOU, UH, YOU KNOW, THE DIFFERENCE IN HOW MUCH WORSE IT'S GOING TO BE IN 20 YEARS IF NOTHING IS DONE TO THIS CORRIDOR.
SO THE 62% YOU'RE SEEING FROM THE BOTTOM RIGHT SQUARE HERE, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT DIRECTION, UH, NORTHBOUND FROM MOSS CREEK, UH, TO CROSS ISLAND PARKWAY FROM SEA PINES IS THE DIRECTION WHERE THAT ONE'S COMING FROM.
UM, BUT I THINK WHAT'S EVEN, YOU KNOW, POTENTIALLY MORE TELLING AID IF YOU GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE IS THAT WE ALSO DID THIS COMPARISON FOR VOLUMES IN THE DIFFERENCE IN VOLUMES THAT WE'RE ABLE TO GET THROUGH EACH OF THE, UM, EACH OF THE SYSTEMS. AND SO NOW THE VOLUMES WILL NOT EXACTLY MATCH AS THEY SHOULDN'T, BECAUSE THAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN AN EXISTING MODEL AND A NO BUILD MODEL.
BUT THE NO BUILD MODEL INTENTIONALLY HAS MORE VOLUME GOING THROUGH THERE.
AND WHAT WE LOOK AT TO SEE, UH, TO MEASURE IF A 2045 CONDITION WOULD BE ABLE TO REASONABLY HANDLE THE INCREASED TRAFFIC OR NOT, IS, YOU KNOW, CAN THE GEOMETRY OF WHAT IS OUT THERE RIGHT NOW HANDLE THE VEHICLES? CAN WE PHYSICALLY GET, UH, YOU KNOW, IN THE MODEL SPACE, THE INCREASED NUMBER OF VEHICLES THROUGH THE NETWORK AS WE HAVE IT CODED? AND IT, THAT WAS NOT THE CASE IN ALL OF THESE TRIAL RUNS THAT WE TRIED TO DO.
AS YOU CAN SEE, THERE ARE NEGATIVE PERCENT VALUES IN SOME OF THE PERCENT DIFFERENCE.
AND SO THAT IS SAYING THAT THERE ARE, THERE WERE MORE VEHICLES THAT WERE BE PROCESSED THROUGH THE EXISTING MODEL THAN THERE WERE IN THE 2045 NO BUILD MODEL.
AND WE KNOW THAT THERE ARE MORE VEHICLES THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN ABLE TO BE PROCESSED THROUGH THE 2045 NO BUILD MODEL, BECAUSE THERE ARE GOING TO BE MORE BASED ON TRAFFIC GROWTH.
SO THIS ESSENTIALLY IS SAYING THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, ANYWHERE THAT WE HAVE A NEGATIVE PERCENT DIFFERENCE, THE 2045 MODEL WAS SO CONGESTED, THERE WAS SO MUCH CONGESTION, CARS WERE NOT MOVING THROUGH THE MODEL, UM, WITH SUCH A, A DEGRADED LEVEL OF SERVICE THAT SOME VEHICLES WERE NOT EVEN ABLE TO LIKE ENTER OUR MODEL SPACE TO BE CAPTURED INTO THESE SIMULATION VALUES.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, FURTHER CONFIRMATION WHAT WE ALREADY BELIEVED FROM THE BEGINNING.
UM, YOU KNOW, WHAT I THINK EVERYBODY ASSUMES, UH, IS REASONABLE TO BE TRUE, THAT IF WE DO NOTHING TO THIS CORRIDOR, UM, YOU KNOW, BY THE TIME 2045 ROLLS ROLLS AROUND EVEN WITH A A 0.5% GROWTH, WHICH IS LOWER THAN THE GROWTH RATES USED IN SOME OF THE OTHER STUDIES THAT HAVE BEEN DONE IN THIS AREA, UM, WE'RE GONNA SEE SOME PRETTY SEVERE CONGESTION, UM, TO THE LIKES OF, UM, YOU KNOW, A, A LEVEL THAT WE MAY NOT EVEN BE ABLE TO ACCURATELY CAPTURE TODAY WITH, WITH OUR BEST MODELING TOOLS.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, IN SUMMARY, SOMETHING SHOULD BE DONE TO THE CORRIDOR IN THE NEXT 20 YEARS TO HELP ALLEVIATE THIS CONGESTION OR ELSE IT'S JUST GONNA GET MUCH WORSE.
WE HAVE SPEED MAPS FOR THE 2045, NO BUILD RESULTS AS WELL.
SO SIMILAR TO WHAT WE SHOWED FOR EXISTING, THERE'S AN AM MAP, THERE'S A PM MAP.
UM, WHAT'S NOTABLE ABOUT THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE EXISTING AM MAP AND WHAT'S CURRENTLY ON YOUR SCREEN IS THAT THE RED CONGESTION BAND HAS GROWN UP IN THE, UH, YOU KNOW, TOP LEFT CORNER OF THE SLIDE, WHICH IS, UM, YOU KNOW, CONGESTED OR STANDSTILL CONDITIONS PROPAGATING REALLY FROM THE BRIDGE FURTHER ONTO THE MAINLAND.
WE HAVE A LONGER AREA OF, UH, A MORE PROMINENT AREA OF CONGESTION DONE BY SEA PINE CIRCLE THAN WE DID IN THE EXISTING CONDITIONS.
AND WE STILL HAVE THE SPOTS OF RED CONGESTION AT THE INTERSECTIONS AS WE DID WITH EXISTING CONDITIONS.
AND IF WE FLIP OVER TO THE PM SPEED MAP, AGAIN, MUCH OF THE SAME.
UM, YOU KNOW, THE INTERCHANGE WITH THE CROSS ISLAND PARKWAY WAS RED IN EXISTING, BUT NOW YOU CAN SEE IN THE 2045 NO BUILD MAP, THE RED HAS REALLY, UH, YOU KNOW, PROPAGATED DOWN VERY FAR DOWN THE, THE CROSS ISLAND PARKWAY, UH, YOU KNOW, FARTHER THAN IT WAS IN THE EXISTING CONDITIONS.
AND IF WE LOOK AT SEA PINE CIRCLE, UH, YOU KNOW, ALMOST THE ENTIRE CIRCLE, INCLUDING EACH OF THE ROWS LEADING UP TO IT, ARE ALMOST COMPLETELY CONGESTED.
UM, YOU KNOW, GRIDLOCK STANDSTILL, PEOPLE AREN'T REALLY ABLE TO GO GO ANYWHERE.
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SO WE ALSO HAVE AN AM AND A PM HIT FOR 20 AND, UH, FOR 2045, NO BUILD RESULTS AS WELL.SO NATE, IF YOU JUST PLAY BOTH OF THOSE IN SUCCESSION, UM, YOU KNOW, AFTER YOUR AM FINISHES, YOU CAN GO AHEAD AND GO AHEAD AND PLAY THE PM.
UM, SO THESE AGAIN, ARE THE SAME, SAME SHOTS, YOU KNOW, SAME INTERSECTIONS, THE SAME LENGTH OF VIDEO.
WE ATTEMPTED TO MAKE THESE VIDEOS EXACTLY THE SAME EXCEPT FOR THEIR TWO DIFFERENT MODELS.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, IF SOMEONE WERE TO HAVE THEM UP ON, YOU KNOW, TWO SCREENS AND PLAY THEM SIDE BY SIDE, YOU'D BE ABLE TO SEE THE DIFFERENCES IN THE CONGESTION AND GET A VISUAL REPRESENTATION OF HOW MUCH THAT CONGESTION REALLY NEEDS FOR THE CORRIDOR AND HOW MANY CARS ARE, UM, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO GET THROUGH THESE LIMITED GEOMETRIC AREAS.
WHILE WE'RE WATCHING THE VIDEOS, DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE 2045 MIL BUILD RESULTS OR ANYTHING ELSE? I'VE GONE OVER UP TILL NOW? QUESTIONS? I HAVE A QUESTION ON THE AFTERNOON, IT LOOKED LIKE THERE WAS ANOTHER AREA THAT WAS RED.
IS THAT POP AVENUE? EACH INTERSECTION IS, YEAH, YOU CAN STILL SEE IF I MAY.
UM, SO I THINK THIS, IT'S GREAT TO SEE THESE VISUALIZATIONS, BUT TO ME, UM, DOESN'T HAVE ANY VALUE RIGHT NOW UNTIL I CAN PUT THAT AGAINST APPLYING SOME ALTERNATIVES.
SO WHAT IF I, WHAT DO I DO AN, DO AN OVERPASS? WHAT IF I LIMIT A RIGHT HAND TURN OR A LEFT HAND TURN? HOW DOES, HOW DOES THAT ON
YEAH, I, UH, I MAY HAVE MISSED YOUR QUESTION IN THERE, AND IF SO, I APOLOGIZE.
BUT YES, AT THE, UH, TOWARDS THE END OF THE PRESENTATION, WHEN WE GET INTO OUR FOUR ALTERNATIVES THAT WE ARE CONSIDERING THAT WE THINK ARE, UH, YOU KNOW, BEST TO BRING FORWARD AS POTENTIAL SOLUTIONS AT THIS TIME, WE DO GET INTO A COMPARISON OF HOW THOSE ALTERNATIVES FUNCTION VERSUS THE NO BUILD RESULTS AND HAVE A GENERAL PERCENT, UM, IMPROVEMENT AS FAR AS TRAVEL TIME IS CONCERNED.
AND AGAIN, THOSE ARE JUST BASED ON SYNCHRO AT THIS POINT BECAUSE THE VISIM OF THAT ENTIRE AREA IS GOING TO BE BROUGHT FORTH DURING TASK FOUR, WHICH WE WILL START, UM, YOU KNOW, AS SOON AS WE CONCLUDE TASK THREE.
YEAH, BECAUSE I THINK VISIM OR SYNCHRO, WERE ONE OF THE OTHER ONES.
YOU ACTUALLY, YOU, YOU DON'T SORT OF FLY OVER THE ROAD.
YOU HAVE A, AN ACTUAL MAP THAT YOU CAN SEE TRAFFIC FROM ONE END TO THE OTHER, AND YOU CAN SEE THE EFFECTS OF MAKING CHANGES.
UM, UH, FOR INSTANCE, IF YOU CHANGE THE ON RAMP ON WESTBOUND, ON RAMP ONTO THE 2 78 FROM THE CROSS ISLANDS, IF YOU CHANGE THAT FROM THE ONE LANE TO THE TWO LANES, AND I THINK THERE'S ROOM FOR IT, THEN YOU CAN AUTOMATICALLY SEE HOW THAT SORT OF, WHAT KIND OF EFFECT THAT HAS, UM, ON THE WHOLE, UM, CORRIDOR AREA.
AND I THINK THAT'S REALLY WHAT I, UH, LIKE TO GET TO AS WELL.
IS THAT A POSSIBILITY? YEAH, CERTAINLY.
WELL, I THINK YOU'RE GONNA LOVE SOME OF THE SLIDES TOWARDS THE, UH, TOWARDS THE END HERE.
ONCE WE GET THROUGH SOME OF THESE OTHER DISCUSSIONS, UM, WE WILL SHOW YOU EXACTLY THOSE COMPARISONS IN SYNCHRO.
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SO, UM, I DON'T THINK THE VIDEO HAS VERY LONG LEFT TO PLAY FOR THIS PM AND WE CAN KEEP MOVING THROUGH OUR DISCUSSION.UH, SO IN GENERAL, UM, WE HAVE A, YOU KNOW, HIGH LEVEL CONCLUSIONS OF OUR EXISTING IN 2045, NO BUILD, UH, SCENARIOS.
UM, SO AS SHOWN, WE BELIEVE THERE'S GOING TO BE SIGNIFICANT CONGESTION, UM, THAT CURRENTLY EXISTS THROUGHOUT THE STUDY AREA, AND IT'S EXPECTED TO BE, UH, YOU KNOW, JUST EXACERBATED BY 2045 WITH THE FORECASTED GROWTH.
UM, THE QUESTION HAS BEEN THROWN OUT A FEW DIFFERENT TIMES.
YOU KNOW, WHAT WOULD NEED TO BE DONE TO MAINTAIN THE CURRENT FOUR LANE CONFIGURATION GIVEN THE, UH, YOU KNOW, THE CONCERN ABOUT THE RIGHT OF WAY AND THE EXPANDED FOOTPRINT OF THIS CORRIDOR.
SO BASED ON OUR CALCULATIONS, WE BELIEVE THAT THE EXISTING 2023 VOLUMES, SO WHAT YOU HAVE OUT THERE TODAY WOULD NEED TO BE REDUCED BY APPROXIMATELY 30% TO BE ABLE TO MAINTAIN ACCEPTABLE TRAFFIC OPERATIONS ON YOUR EXISTING ROADWAY.
AND THEN IN THE FUTURE, ONCE WE APPLY THE ANNUAL GROWTH RATE OF THE 0.56% PER YEAR, YOUR FUTURE 2045 TRAFFIC VOLUMES WOULD NEED TO BE REDUCED BY APPROXIMATELY 40% FOR THE CURRENT FOUR LANE CONFIGURATION TO CONTINUE TO OPERATE ACCEPTABLY.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, DIETRICH YOU KIND OF MENTIONED WHAT IF WE DO A PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION SYSTEM? WHAT IF WE DO SOME OF THESE OTHER THINGS? A LOT OF THESE OTHER IDEALS ARE REALLY NOBLE AND WORTHWHILE AND HAVE LOTS OF MERITS IN MANY DIFFERENT AREAS.
HOWEVER, IT'S NOT CURRENTLY OUR PROFESSIONAL OPINION THAT THEY WILL REDUCE TRAFFIC AT THESE LEVELS.
UM, YOU KNOW, I DON'T BELIEVE A PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION SYSTEM WOULD REDUCE THE TRAFFIC DEMAND ON THE ROAD BY 30 OR 40%.
UM, I, I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, CORRIDOR IMPROVEMENTS EVEN IN COMBINATION WITH SOME OF THESE OTHER IDEAS TO HELP MITIGATE THE INCREASE IN TRAFFIC ARE STILL GOING TO BE NEEDED.
UH, YOU KNOW, SO THEREFORE IT'S OUR RECOMMENDATION THAT A SIX LANE SECTION IS NECESSARY TO ACCOMMODATE THE PROJECTED TRAFFIC VOLUMES BOTH ON THE BRIDGE AND ON THE LAND.
UM, ONCE YOU GET TO GET TO THE GROUND THROUGH, YOU KNOW, SQUARE POPE, UM, SPANISH WELLS, THOSE AREAS TO ACCOMMODATE THE EXISTING TRAFFIC THAT YOU HAVE, AND THEN THE FUTURE TRAFFIC GROWTH THROUGH 2045.
WE ALSO HAVE HAD A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT A SECOND BRIDGE THROUGH OUR VARIOUS, UH, MEETINGS AND TIME TOGETHER.
UM, YOU KNOW, A SECOND BRIDGE HAS BEEN DISCUSSED WELL BEFORE LOCH MUELLER'S INVOLVEMENT IN THIS PROJECT, TO MY UNDERSTANDING, UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S BEEN DISCUSSED LOCALLY AS A POTENTIAL SOLUTION FOR A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT ISSUES THAT ARE CURRENTLY FACING THE ISLAND.
UM, BUT OUR PROFESSIONAL OPINION, AND THE REALITY IS THAT A NEW BRIDGE CAN TAKE UP TO 20 YEARS TO CONSTRUCT ONCE ALL THE STUDIES PLANNING, DESIGN, AND CONSTRUCTION IS COMPLETE.
THERE ARE A LOT OF PRE STUDIES AND PRE-PLANNING THAT NEED TO BE DONE.
IT'S, UH, NOT SO SIMPLE AS TO SAY, LET'S DRAW A DOTTED LINE BETWEEN THESE TWO POINTS OF LAND AND SEND IT OFF TO GO MAKE SOME PLANS, AND THEN WE'LL BE GOING TO CONSTRUCTION IN FIVE OR SIX YEARS.
UH, YOU KNOW, WE BELIEVE THAT A COMPLETE REDO OF A TRAVEL DEMAND MODEL SPECIFIC TO THE SCENARIO WOULD NEED TO BE COMPLETED.
IT WOULD TAKE AN ENORMOUS PUBLIC INVOLVEMENT EFFORT.
UM, IT WOULD HAVE NUMEROUS ENVIRONMENTAL REPORTS AND STEPS TO GO THROUGH TO DETERMINE WHICH ALIGNMENT, YOU KNOW, UH, BECAUSE THERE ARE MANY, UH, YOU KNOW, WOULD BE LEAST IMPACTFUL, UH, YOU KNOW, RIGHT AWAY CULTURALLY SENSITIVE AREAS.
THERE ARE SO MANY DIFFERENT CONSIDERATIONS IN THIS AREA THAT THE PRE-PLANNING OF SOMETHING LIKE THIS WOULD TAKE EASILY UP TO 10 YEARS POTENTIALLY IF THOSE EFFORTS ARE NOT CURRENTLY UNDERWAY.
AND IT'S OUR UNDERSTANDING THAT THEY ARE NOT CURRENTLY IN EARNEST UNDERWAY IN ANY MEANINGFUL FASHION.
UM, YOU KNOW, DESIGN OF A STRUCTURE THAT LONG AND COMPLEX WOULD ALSO TAKE ANOTHER APPROXIMATELY FIVE YEARS, AND THEN YOU HAVE CONSTRUCTION.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHERE WE'RE GETTING THIS 20 YEAR ESTIMATE IN OUR PROFESSIONAL OPINION BASED ON, UH, YOU KNOW, THE TYPICAL FLOW OF PROJECT LIKE THAT.
SO, YOU KNOW, WE'VE, WE'VE SHOWN TODAY AND IN PREVIOUS PRESENTATIONS THAT THE OPERATING CONDITIONS OF YOUR CORRIDOR TODAY ALREADY SHOW SIGNIFICANT CONGESTION.
IT ALREADY SHOWS THAT THERE ARE PROBLEMS, OTHERWISE WE WOULDN'T BE HERE TALKING TO YOU ABOUT THIS.
AND SO IF NOTHING IS DONE TO THIS CORRIDOR FOR 20 YEARS INTO THE FUTURE, UM, IN HOPES THAT A SECOND BRIDGE WOULD BE OUR ANSWER TO THE PROBLEMS OF THIS CORRIDOR, UH, IT WILL BE A VERY HARD 20 YEARS ALONG THIS CORRIDOR AS WE SHOWED.
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IT'S GONNA, YOU KNOW, UP TO 62% INCREASED TRAVEL TIME DELAY FOR THE EXISTING CONDITIONS, WHICH ARE ALREADY VERY BAD.UM, SO BECAUSE OF ALL OF THOSE FACTORS, LOCK, MUELLER'S FOCUS FOR THIS STUDY HAS BEEN TO MITIGATE YOUR EXISTING AND FORECASTED CONDITIONS WITHIN THE NEXT 20 YEAR TIME, TIME SPAN.
UM, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE THROUGHOUT THAT TIME SPAN, THE CONGESTION WILL BE SIGNIFICANT.
AND SO BECAUSE IT IS NOT OUR OPINION THAT A NEW BRIDGE IS VALUABLE WITHIN THE NEXT 20 YEARS, WE ARE NOT CONSIDERING THAT AS ONE OF OUR FOUR ALTERNATIVES TO SOLVE THE CORRIDOR CONGESTION BETWEEN NOW AND 2045.
UM, YOU KNOW, IT IS OUR OPINION THAT THE SIX LANE SECTION IS NEEDED INDEPENDENTLY OF A SECOND BRIDGE.
AND THAT, YOU KNOW, THOSE, THAT CONVERSATION HAS A LOT OF MERIT.
IT IS A VERY LENGTHY PROCESS AND IS SOMETHING THAT WOULD NEED TO BE INITIATED SEPARATE FROM THIS INDEPENDENT STUDY AND THE DISCUSSIONS ON THIS CORRIDOR SPECIFICALLY.
ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENT ABOUT THE SECOND BRIDGE, ANNIE, BEFORE WE MOVE ON? I'M SURE THERE'S A FEW.
UM, COULD YOU ARTICULATE, UM, LOCK MORE'S PROFESSIONAL OPINION ON, UH, HILTON HAT AND, UM, EVACUATION ROUTES? AND SO THE IDEA HAS ALWAYS ALSO BEEN THAT THE SECOND BRIDGE WOULD HELP THE, UM, EVACUATION OF THE ISLAND IN A HURRICANE.
UM, WOULD YOU, SO IF, IF YOU, IF YOU THINK THAT A, A SECOND BRIDGE IS NOT, UH, REALISTIC, UM, WOULD YOU, UM, AND YOU DON'T HAVE TO ANSWER ME NOW, BUT, UM, CAN YOU THINK ABOUT WHETHER TWO BRIDGES RATHER THAN ONE SPAN WOULD BE MORE FAVORABLE? UM, FROM HILTON NET TO THE MAINLAND? UH, PART OF OUR SCOPE IS TO PREPARE A HIGH LEVEL MEMORANDUM OF OUR OPINION ON THIS ISSUE.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE NOT COMPLETED THAT YET, BUT IT IS PART OF OUR TASKS TO BE COMPLETED.
UH, YOU KNOW, BEFORE OUR EFFORTS ARE, ARE CONCLUDED HERE.
BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, THE, THE SPARK NOTES VERSION OF THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, OUR OPINION IS THAT THERE IS A LOT OF MERIT TO THIS SECOND BRIDGE CONVERSATION, BUT IT IS INCREDIBLY COMPLEX AND REQUIRES VERY CAREFUL AND DETAILED ANALYSIS AS TO THE VIABILITY OF WHERE OR WHAT IT WOULD EVEN LOOK LIKE.
AND BECAUSE THAT PROCESS IS GOING TO TAKE A VERY, VERY, VERY LONG TIME, UM, YOU KNOW, IT, IT LIKELY WOULD NOT COME TO FRUITION SOON.
UH, THAT IS WHY WE ARE NOT CONSIDERING THAT AS AN ALTERNATIVE IN, IN THIS STUDY.
I'M NOT SURE YOU UNDERSTAND ME.
SO RIGHT NOW WE HAVE TWO SEPARATE BRIDGES YEAH.
SO THERE'S ALSO THOUGHT ABOUT HAVING JUST ONE SINGLE SPAN VERSUS TWO SEPARATE BRIDGES.
OKAY, SOMETHING HAPPENS ON ONE BRIDGE, WHAT DO YOU DO? THAT'S SORT OF MY THINKING.
I THINK, UH, YOU KNOW, WE ALSO PER OUR SCOPE ARE, UH, PLANNING ON DOING A PROFESSIONAL OPINION AS TO MORE SPECIFICS ON, ON THE BRIDGE THAT ARE, I THINK GETTING INTO, INTO YOUR QUESTION, UM, I AM NOT A STRUCTURAL ENGINEER, SO I DON'T NECESSARILY FEEL CONFIDENT EXPRESSING MY OPINION ON BRIDGE STRUCTURES, UM, YOU KNOW, IN, IN THIS SETTING.
BUT THAT IS, YOU KNOW, WE DO HAVE, UH, STRUCTURAL ENGINEERS ON OUR TEAM, AND THAT IS PART OF OUR STUDY TO, UM, YOU KNOW, DO A, A HIGH LEVEL BRIEF MEMORANDUM ON THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, REVIEW OF THE CONCLUSIONS THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN ISSUED AND STUDIES THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN COMPLETED ON THAT TOPIC.
SO MOVING ON FROM THAT POINT, UH, BEFORE WE GET INTO THE SPECIFICS ON OUR FOUR ALTERNATIVES THAT WE ARE PROPOSING AS POTENTIAL SOLUTIONS FOR THE CORRIDOR, UM, YOU KNOW, NATE IN THE TOWN, UH, WE, YOU KNOW, WE THOUGHT IT WOULD BE A GOOD IDEA JUST TO REMIND EVERYBODY OR PUT IN THIS PRESENTATION AT LEAST, UH, THE GUIDING PRINCIPLES FOR THIS CORRIDOR PROJECT.
THESE ARE NOT LAMEER CREATED, THEY WERE CREATED, UH, YOU KNOW, BY THE TOWN.
I'M SURE THIS IS NOTHING NEW TO YOU ALL, BUT AGAIN, JUST THOUGHT IT WOULD BE GOOD TO GO THROUGH THIS, UH, THIS LIST BEFORE GETTING INTO THE DETAILS OF OUR FOUR ALTERNATIVES.
JUST IF NOTHING ELSE TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT, YOU KNOW, LOCK MEER GROUP STUDIED EACH OF THESE GUIDING PRINCIPLES IN DETAIL, AND WE REALLY TRIED TO HOLD TRUE TO EACH OF THEM AS WE CONSIDERED VARIOUS ALTERNATIVES THAT WOULD BE POTENTIALLY HELPFUL FOR THE
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CORRIDOR.UH, THINGS LIKE ADDRESSING THE CONGESTION AND FIXING THE TRANSPORTATION ISSUES, IMPROVING SAFETY AND QUALITY OF LIFE FOR RESIDENTS IN THE NEIGHBORHOODS AND BUSINESSES THAT WOULD BE DIRECTLY IMPACTED BY THIS WORK.
UM, UNDERSTANDING THAT THERE'S A DESIRE FOR AESTHETICALLY PLEASING IMPROVEMENTS AND FOR THERE TO REMAIN A GATEWAY TO AND FROM HILTON HEAD THAT THE REGION CAN BE PROUD OF.
UM, AND, YOU KNOW, SO WE, WE TRIED TO KEEP ALL THESE THINGS IN MIND WHEN WE THOUGHT OF THESE POTENTIAL ALTERNATIVES.
SO IF YOU GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, NATE, WE CAN GET INTO, GET INTO THE MEAT AND POTATOES OF THIS PRESENTATION.
UM, SO WE HAVE FOUR RECOMMENDED ALTERNATIVE IMPROVEMENTS THAT WE ARE CONSIDERING FOR THIS STUDY.
AND, UM, YOU KNOW, TODAY I'M GONNA PLAN TO GO THROUGH EACH OF THEM.
WE CAN EITHER STOP AFTER EACH ONE TO DISCUSS IF WE HAVE QUESTIONS, OR WE CAN WAIT UNTIL WE'VE KIND OF GONE THROUGH ALL FOUR OF THEM AND UNDERSTAND THE SPREAD OF WHAT WE'RE CONSIDERING AND GO BACK AND DISCUSS.
UM, YOU KNOW, I REALLY DON'T HAVE A PREFERENCE EITHER WAY.
SO IF YOU HAVE A, A QUESTION THROUGHOUT THIS, PLEASE FEEL FREE TO STOP ME.
IF YOU WOULD PREFER BEFORE WE GET TO THE END OF, UH, YOU KNOW, DISCUSSING ALTERNATIVE FOUR.
SO THE FIRST ONE IS AN S-C-D-O-T MODIFIED RECOMMENDED PREFERRED ALTERNATIVE.
ALTERNATIVE NUMBER TWO IS, UM, UH, CONFIGURATION CALLED A BOW TIE AT SQUIRE POPE IN SPANISH WELLS.
ALTERNATIVE NUMBER THREE INCLUDES GRADE SEPARATED OPTIONS ALTERNATIVES.
ONE AND TWO BOTH WOULD BE WHAT I'M GOING TO REFER TO PROBABLY A LOT AS AT GRADE, WHICH MEANS THERE ARE NO BRIDGES, THERE ARE NO VERTICAL SEPARATION COMPONENTS OF THE ROADWAY FOR DIFFERENT MOVEMENTS.
EVERYTHING EITHER, UM, YOU KNOW, EVERYTHING'S ON THE GROUND.
ALTERNATIVE THREE AND FOUR ARE GRADE SEPARATED OR ELEVATED, MEANING THAT THERE IS SOME SORT OF BRIDGE COMPONENT VERTICAL STACKING COMPONENT TO, TO THE SOLUTIONS.
UM, SO WE ARE CONSIDERING AN ECHELON OR A CENTER TURN OVERPASS FOR ALTERNATIVE THREE.
THESE ARE TYPES OF INTERCHANGES, BUT THEY STILL REQUIRE SOME SIGNALED CONTROL OF SOME MOVEMENTS, BUT NOT FOR OTHERS.
SO WE WILL GET INTO THOSE DETAILS.
UM, YOU KNOW, KIND OF, WE HAVE SOME NICE EXPLANATIONS TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THOSE REALLY MEAN AS WE GET THROUGH THOSE SLIDES.
AND THEN ALTERNATIVE NUMBER FOUR, WE ARE CONSIDERING AN ELEVATED BYPASS.
I KNOW THAT HAS BEEN ANOTHER, UM, POPULAR TOPIC THROUGHOUT THE COURSE OF THIS STUDY.
AND EVEN AT SOME OF THESE MEETINGS, YOU KNOW, WE SHOULD CONSIDER A BYPASS AND WE ARE GIVING A NOD TO THAT IDEA IN ALTERNATIVE FOR HOWEVER, PUTTING, UM, YOU KNOW, PUTTING OUR SPIN ON IT AS TO WHAT WE THINK IS MOST, UM, UH, WHAT WOULD, WHAT WOULD PROVIDE THE LEAST NEGATIVE IMPACTS TO RIGHT AWAY CONSIDERATIONS AND THE CULTURAL IMPACTS THAT HAVE BEEN, UM, YOU KNOW, STATED AS BEING SO IMPORTANT FOR THIS PROCESS.
SO WE CAN GET INTO ALTERNATIVE ONE AS WE GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE.
SO THIS IS LARGELY WHAT HAS ALREADY BEEN STUDIED, THE S-C-D-O-T MODIFIED RECOMMENDED PREFERRED ALTERNATIVE.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE DIDN'T REALLY DEVIATE VERY MUCH FROM WHAT S-C-D-O-T HAS ALREADY PREFERRED, UH, I'M SORRY, WHAT S-C-D-O-T HAS ALREADY RECOMMENDED AS THEIR PREFERRED ALTERNATIVE.
HOWEVER, THERE ARE A FEW KEY DIFFERENCES BETWEEN WHAT S-C-D-O-T HAS ALREADY STUDIED, WHAT OTHER PEOPLE HAVE ALREADY STUDIED, AND THEN THE STUDY THAT WE HAVE CONDUCTED.
SO, NATE, IF YOU GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, THOSE ARE LISTED THERE.
SO THE DIFFERENCES HERE ARE THE EFFECTS OF THE ADAPTIVE SIGNALS BEING IN PLACE TO OUR KNOWLEDGE, NONE OF THE PRIOR STUDIES CONSIDERED THE EFFECTS OF YOUR ADAPTIVE SIGNAL SYSTEM AND THE, YOU KNOW, THROUGH NO FAULT OF THEIR OWN, THEY COULD NOT, BECAUSE THE SYSTEM WAS NOT EVEN IN PLACE EARLY AND FULLY FUNCTIONAL UNTIL DECEMBER OF THIS YEAR.
SO THEY DID NOT HAVE THE PRIVILEGE OF ANALYZING ANY POTENTIAL BENEFITS FROM YOUR ADAPTIVE SIGNAL SYSTEM THAT WAS IN PLACE.
WE ALSO HAVE USED A DIFFERENT GROWTH RATE THAN ANY OF THE PRIOR STUDY EFFORTS WITH THE 0.56% GROWTH RATE THAT WE'VE ALREADY DISCUSSED AT LENGTH IN PREVIOUS MEETINGS AS TO HOW WE ARRIVED THERE.
AND SOME OF THE OTHER STUDY EFFORTS ALSO DID NOT INCLUDE GUMTREE.
THEY DID NOT EXTEND LONG ENOUGH TO INCLUDE GUMTREE, WHICH THIS EFFORT, UH, YOU KNOW, THE TOWN AND THIS COMMITTEE FELT WAS IMPORTANT TO INCLUDE IN ANY OF OUR CONSIDERATIONS FOR ALTERNATIVES TO THIS.
SO OUR IMPROVEMENTS TO GUMTREE CONSIDERED ONLY AT GRADE IMPROVEMENTS.
UH, GUMTREE IS VERY CLOSE TO THE EXISTING CROSS ISLAND PARKWAY INTERCHANGE, AND WHILE THERE ARE A SIGNIFICANT, YOU KNOW, AMOUNT OF VEHICLES THAT PROCESS THROUGH THE GUMTREE INTERSECTION, SOME MOVEMENTS COULD, UH, YOU KNOW, THEORETICALLY BENEFIT FROM BEING SEPARATED FROM ONE ANOTHER, FROM BEING TAKEN OUTTA THE SIGNAL AND BEING GRADE SEPARATED.
THE, THE NATURE OF WHERE GUMTREE IS AND HOW CLOSE IT IS TO SOME OF THE EXISTING BRIDGE SYSTEM THAT IS PART OF THE CROSS ISLAND PARKWAY INTERCHANGE REALLY
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DID NOT, UH, SEEM FEASIBLE TO US FROM A CONSTRUCTABILITY STANDPOINT.SO FOR THOSE REASONS, WE HAVE CONSIDERED ONLY AT GRADE IMPROVEMENTS TO THE GUMTREE INTERSECTION, WHICH INCLUDED A COMPLETE RECONFIGURATION OF WHAT IS THERE TODAY WIDENING TO ALLOW FOR DUAL LEFT TURN LANES AND CONCURRENT LEFT TURN MOVEMENTS ON MOST APPROACHES.
AND, UM, YOU KNOW, REALLY JUST EXPANDING THAT TO BE AS LARGE OF AN ACCURATE INTERSECTION AS POSSIBLE TO PROCESS THE NUMBER OF VEHICLES, UM, THROUGH THERE THAT TRY TO, UH, YOU KNOW, TRAVERSE THAT, THAT PINCH POINT EVERY DAY.
SO ON THE NEXT SLIDE, WE GET INTO SOME OF OUR FINDINGS.
UM, OVERALL THROUGHOUT THE NETWORK FOR THIS ALTERNATIVE, THE STUDY INTERSECTIONS ARE EXPECTED TO OPERATE ACCEPTABLY UNDER ALTERNATIVE ONE.
GENERALLY EACH SIGNALED INTERSECTION IS EXPECTED TO OPERATE WITH A LEVEL OF SERVICE D OR BETTER OVERALL.
MANY OF THEM HAVE E OR EVEN FS UNDER THE EXISTING CONDITIONS AND THE 2045 NOBLE CONDITIONS.
SO THOSE WOULD BE AN IMPROVEMENT.
STREET AND UNSIGNED APPROACHES MAY STILL EXPERIENCE LONG DELAYS, BUT, UH, YOU KNOW, QUITE FRANKLY THAT IS TO BE EXPECTED ON CORRIDORS SUCH AS THIS WITH A REALLY HIGH THROUGHPUT OF VEHICLES ON THE MAIN LINE.
UM, YOU KNOW, IF IF WE'RE NOT SEPARATING MOVEMENTS FROM ONE ANOTHER, THEN THEY STILL HAVE TO SHARE THE SAME PHYSICAL SPACE OR THE SAME CYCLE LENGTH.
AND SO MANY TIMES SOME OF THE MINOR MOVEMENTS ARE, UM, YOU KNOW, COMPROMISED SLIGHTLY FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE MAIN LINE, WHICH IS WHERE MOST OF THE CARS ARE.
SO MOST OF THE MAJOR INTER INTERSECTIONS ARE GONNA BE FUNCTIONING VERY WELL.
THERE MAY BE SOME, SOME SMALLER SIDE STREETS THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, UNFORTUNATELY ARE GONNA TAKE MORE OF THE DELAY THAN, UM, THAN THE MAIN LINE.
BUT, UH, YOU KNOW, IT'S A COMPROMISE THAT WE, UH, WE, WE SEE ALL THE TIME ON QUARTERS SUCH AS THIS.
SO ON THE TABLE AT THE BOTTOM OF THE SLIDE, YOU CAN SEE OUR TRAVEL TIMES, UM, THESE TRAVEL TIMES WERE PERFORMED IN SYNCHRO.
SO THAT'S A, THAT'S A KEY DIFFERENCE HERE BETWEEN THE TABLES THAT YOU'RE GONNA SEE ON THESE ALTERNATIVE SLIDES.
AND THEN THE TABLES THAT YOU SAW FOR OUR EXISTING AND KNOW BUILD VISIM SLIDES, THOSE SLIDES WERE INVIS.
I THOUGHT YOU GUYS MIGHT GET A REAL KICK OUT OF THIS.
SO THIS IS A CORN SINK THAT I JUST CAUGHT, I MEAN, MINUTES AGO, AND I PUT 'EM ON THE SIDE OF THE TREE BECAUSE I WANTED YOU GUYS TO SEE HOW GOOD A CLIMBERS THEY ARE.
NOW I'M GONNA MOVE IN JUST A LITTLE BIT CLOSER.
AND YOU NOTICE HOW THE EDGE OF THE SCALES ARE SLIGHTLY CURVED AND SO ON A CORN SNAKE, THEY CAN USE THOSE IRREGULAR SCALES TO GRIP ROUGH PARTS IN THE BARK AND GO STRAIGHT UP THE TRUNK OF A TREE.
AND OF COURSE, THIS WORKS REALLY WELL FOR RAT SNAKES AND CORN SNAKES.
THEY CAN GET UP HIGH WHERE THEY CAN CATCH MICE AND RATS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, AND BIRDS, AND YES, OCCASIONALLY BLUE BIRDS, ALTHOUGH YELLOW RAT SNAKES ARE GENERALLY THE ONE THAT, UH, GETS INTO TROUBLE FOR THAT ANYWAY, CORN SNAKE NON VENOMOUS OF, OKAY.
SO THE, THE BOTTOM TABLE HERE IS SIMILAR TO THE DIFFERENCES THAT WE SHOWED IN SOME OF THE PRIOR TABLES WITH THE EXISTING VISIM AND THE NAIL BUILD, UM, 2045 VIS TABLES, EXCEPT FOR, UM, YOU KNOW, THOSE PERCENTAGES WERE DIFFERENCES IN EITHER, UM, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE OBSERVED AS THE EXISTING VERSUS WHAT OUR MODEL WAS, UH, TO GET THE CALIBRATED RESULTS FOR OUR V MODELS AND THE NO BUILD, UH, PERCENTAGES WERE, UH, DIFFERENCE OF HOW MUCH WORSE THE POTENTIAL NO BUILD SCENARIOS GOING TO BE COMPARED TO THE EXISTING CONDITION.
THESE TABLES ARE HOPEFULLY, UH, OR EXCUSE ME, THESE TABLES ARE, UH, CONVEYING THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN NO BUILD AND WHICHEVER ALTERNATIVE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
SO THIS PERCENT DIFFERENCE IS THE, UM, YOU KNOW, EITHER INCREASE OR DECREASE IN TRAVEL TIME THAT WOULD BE ASSOCIATED WITH ALTERNATIVE ONE AS IT'S COMPARED BACK TO THE 2045 NO BUILD.
AND I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO MAKE THE DISTINCTION THAT THE TABLES THAT YOU'LL SEE AS PART OF THESE ALTERNATIVE SLIDES ARE ALL COMPARED TO SYNCHRO.
SO IT'S COMPARED TO SYNCHRO, NO BUILD VERSUS
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SYNCHRO ALTERNATIVE, WHATEVER NUMBER WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE PRIOR SLIDES AT THE BEGINNING OF THE DECK, WERE ALL THIS.AND WE DO PLAN ON BRINGING THE CHOSEN ALTERNATIVE FORWARD INTO AVIS MODEL AS PART OF TASK FOUR, AS WE'VE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT.
BUT THIS IS STILL TASK THREE, AND WE NEED TO KIND OF WORK THROUGH NARROWING DOWN SOME OF THESE OPTIONS AND GO THROUGH OUR MATRIX EXERCISE BEFORE WE, WE PICK WHICH ALTERNATIVE IS GOING TO MOVE FORWARD INTO TASK FOUR, WHICH IT WILL THEN BE PUT INTO OUR MISS MODELING SOFTWARE.
SO, JUST A A, A QUICK DISTINCTION, UM, BUT THE, THE SUMMARY OF ALTERNATIVE ONE ESSENTIALLY IS THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, THE, THE ALTERNATIVE CAN BE EXPECTED TO PROVIDE APPROXIMATELY A 16% REDUCTION IN TRAVEL TIME FOR AM TRAFFIC IN THE EASTBOUND DIRECTION, AND APPROXIMATELY A 34% DECREASE IN TRAVEL TIME FOR WESTBOUND TRAFFIC.
SO PEOPLE LEAVING THE ISLAND, GOING BACK ONTO THE MAINLAND IN THE PM YOU MOVE TO THE NEXT SLIDE.
UM, SO WE WERE ASKED BY THE, UH, TOWN TO DO A FURTHER MODIFICATION OF THE, UH, MODIFIED RECOMMENDED PREFERRED ALTERNATIVE FOR A-C-D-O-T IN THE AREA OF SQUIRE POPE SPECIFICALLY.
UH, THERE HAS BEEN SOME CONCERN EXPRESSED ABOUT THE RIGHT OF WAY REQUIRED PER THAT ALTERNATIVE.
AND SO WE DID A QUICK HIGH LEVEL ANALYSIS TO SEE IF, UH, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE IMPACTS WOULD BE IF SOME OF THAT, UH, LAND AREA FOR SQUIRE POPE WERE POTENTIALLY TO BE REDUCED.
SO WE EVALUATED, UM, IF WE COULD REDUCE THE DUAL EASTBOUND LEFT TURN LANES AT SQUIRE POPE JUST TO ONE LEFT TURN LANE.
AND WE ALSO EVALUATED IF WE COULD REDUCE THE DUAL SOUTHBOUND RIGHT TURN LANES AT SQUIRE POPE JUST DOWN TO ONE RIGHT TURN LANE.
AND THE RESULTS OF EACH OF THOSE, UH, REDUCTIONS ARE SHOWN IN THE BULLET POINTS BELOW EACH OF THOSE.
AND, UH, YOU KNOW, GENERALLY THEY'RE PART OF THE S-C-D-O-T RECOMMENDATION BECAUSE IN MY OPINION, THEY PROVIDE A VERY HIGH, HIGH LEVEL BENEFIT FOR THE CORRIDOR AND, UH, A PRETTY, UH, DECENT REDUCTION IN TRAVEL TIME AND QUEUING.
SO IF YOU DO NOT PROVIDE THE DUAL EASTBOUND LEFT TURN LANE, IF YOU ONLY PROVIDE ONE AT SQUIRE POPE, THE KEY LENGTH WOULD BE EXPECTED TO INCREASE FROM APPROXIMATELY SEVEN VEHICLES TO 23 VEHICLES.
SO, 16 MORE VEHICLES REQUIRED TO WAIT DURING THE PMP HOUR, AND THEN THE DELAYS ARE EXPECTED TO INCREASE FROM APPROXIMATELY 75 SECONDS TO OVER 200 SECONDS, WHICH IS AN INCREASE OF 139 SECONDS.
IT'S OVER TWO MINUTES DURING THE PMP HOUR.
SIMILARLY, IF WE REDUCE THE DUAL SOUTHBOUND RIGHT TURN LANES AT SQUIRE POPE TO JUST A SINGLE RIGHT TURN LANE, UH, THE MOVEMENT WOULD BE OVER CAPACITY.
THE QUEUE LENGTH WOULD BE EXPECTED TO INCREASE BY APPROXIMATELY 15 VEHICLES FROM NINE TO 24 DURING THE PMP HOUR, AND THEN THE DELAYS AT THAT SAME MOVEMENT WOULD BE EXPECTED TO INCREASE FROM 50 TO 116 SECONDS, WHICH ADDS A MINUTE TO THE DELAY AT THAT MOVEMENT DURING THE PMP HOUR.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, THESE ARE CERTAINLY THINGS TO TO CONSIDER.
UM, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY RIGHT AWAY IMPACTS ARE A VERY SERIOUS THING TO CONSIDER AND IS SOMETHING THAT SHOULD NOT BE TAKEN LIGHTLY.
AND, UM, YOU KNOW, THESE WOULD BE THE, THE IMPACTS OF LESSENING THE RIGHT AWAY TAKE AND REDUCING THE FOOTPRINT OF SQUARE POPE IN ALTERNATIVE ONE PER, UM, YOU KNOW, AT S-C-D-O-T, I'D RECOMMENDED IT AS PART OF THEIR MODIFIED PREFERRED ALTERNATIVE.
ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT ALTERNATIVE ONE BEFORE WE TALK ABOUT ALTERNATIVE TWO? UM, I'M CURIOUS, ARE THOSE TWO INTERSECTIONS THAT WE'RE JUST TALKING ABOUT NOW, ARE THEY TRAFFIC ACTUATED SIGNALS? THE SIGNALS AT SQUIRE POPE, ARE THEY ACTUATED? YEAH.
ARE THEY TRAFFIC ACTUATED? YES, THEY ARE.
I I MEAN, WHEN YOU IMPLEMENT THE ADAPTIVE SIGNAL SYSTEM, I BELIEVE UPDATED DETECTION AND ACTUATION AS PART OF THAT ENTIRE SYSTEM.
SO THESE RESULTS ARE ON TOP OF THE ADAPTIVE SIGNAL TIMING IMPROVEMENTS THAT ARE ALREADY EMBEDDED IN OUR SYNCHRO MODELS OF ALTERNATIVE ONE.
SO THESE WOULD BE RESULTS THAT WOULD BE TRUE EVEN WITH ADAPTIVE SIGNAL TIMING MEASURES IN PLACE.
ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON ALTERNATIVE ONE? HEARING NONE, WE CAN GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE.
SO, ALTERNATIVE TWO, OUR IDEA FOR ALTERNATIVE TWO IS TO DO WHAT IS CALLED A BOW TIE INTERSECTION AT
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SQUIRE POPE IN SPANISH WELLS.AND GENERALLY, WHEN WE WERE THINKING ABOUT ALTERNATIVES AND THE FOUR THAT WE WERE TASKED WITH, UM, YOU KNOW, COMING UP WITH AND PROVIDING IS POTENTIAL SOLUTIONS FOR THIS CORRIDOR, WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE HAD ENOUGH BALANCE OF AT GRADE INTERSECTIONS, WHICH MEANS, YOU KNOW, WITHOUT ANY BRIDGES AND THEN GRADE SEPARATED ALTERNATIVES, WHICH WOULD REQUIRE SOME GRADE SEPARATION STRUCTURES TO MAKE THE CONFIGURATIONS WORK.
UM, YOU KNOW, AS THIS COMMITTEE KNOWS, AS YOU KNOW, MOST OF THE LISTENERS HERE TODAY KNOW THERE HAVE BEEN NUMEROUS, NUMEROUS, NUMEROUS ALTERNATIVES THAT HAVE BEEN LOOKED AT AS PRIOR, AS PART OF PRIOR STUDY EFFORTS, UM, UPWARDS OF 19 TO 20.
UM, YOU KNOW, THE, THE INITIAL RECOMMENDATION FROM S-C-D-O-T TO DO, UM, YOU KNOW, SOME DIFFERENT LEFT TURN TREATMENTS AT OLD WILDHORSE AND MEDIAN U-TURN CONFIGURATIONS, THOSE TYPES OF THINGS.
UM, YOU KNOW, PART OF OUR PRIOR DISCUSSIONS, WE UNDERSTAND THAT THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY DESIRED AS ONE OF YOUR ALTERNATIVES HERE.
AND WHILE THOSE IDEAS, UM, YOU KNOW, HELD A LOT OF WATER FROM A TECHNICAL PERSPECTIVE AND WOULD, YOU KNOW, ON PAPER MOVE TRAFFIC THROUGH THE CORRIDOR EFFICIENTLY, UM, YOU KNOW, LOCK MEER UNDERSTANDS THAT, THAT, UH, THERE WAS COMMUNITY CONCERN FOR SOME OF THOSE PRIOR STUDY EFFORTS.
AND SO, AS PART OF OUR SCOPE, WE WERE ALSO TASKED WITH LOOKING THROUGH SOME OF THE THINGS THAT YOU GUYS HAD CONSIDERED BEFORE AND MAYBE BRINGING BACK AN IDEA THAT PERHAPS WAS DISMISSED A LITTLE BIT TOO QUICKLY TO SEE IF IT, UH, YOU KNOW, DESERVED A SECOND LOOK.
AND SO, UM, YOU KNOW, WE, WE CONSIDER THIS ALTERNATIVE ALTERNATIVE TO OUR NOD TO DOING, TO DOING THAT BOW TIES.
AND THIS IDEA IS SOMETHING THAT WAS CONSIDERED AS PART OF THE PRIOR 19 TO 20 ALTERNATIVES THAT HAVE BEEN CONSIDERED FOR THIS EFFORT TO DATE.
AND WE THINK THAT IT IS SOMETHING THAT IS WORTH CONSIDERING, AGAIN, WORTH FURTHER CONSIDERATION.
SO IF YOU GO AHEAD AND PLAY THIS YOUTUBE VIDEO, UM, IT'LL DESCRIBE HOW YOU ALL THE MAJOR TRAVEL THROUGH THOSE TIMES.
CONTINUE STRAIGHT AND TURN RIGHT.
I DON'T, DOES IT HAVE THE AUDIO ON YOUR END? CAN YOU HEAR ANYTHING? OR YOU JUST HEAR ME? I CAN TURN THE AUDIO, AUDIO BACK ON TO MAKE A U-TURN AND THEN CONTINUE STRAIGHT FROM THE SIDE STREET.
ALL MOTORISTS WILL NAVIGATE THROUGH A ROUNDABOUT BEFORE REACHING THE MAIN INTERSECTION.
IF THE HONOR, OR IT'S NOT BIG DEAL MOTOR, I JUST DIDN'T WANNA BE TALKING OVER MOTORISTS WHO WISH TO MAKE A LEFT TURN ONTO THE MAIN STREET WILL CONTINUE STRAIGHT THROUGH THE MAIN INTERSECTION TO THE NEXT ADJACENT ROUNDABOUT AND MAKE A U-TURN.
UM, SO GENERALLY THESE WILL THEN TURN, TURN RIGHT AT THE MAIN INTERSECTION ONTO THE, IS THE AUDIO ON OR NOT? I'LL TURN THE, I'LL TURN THE AUDIO OFF AND ALLOW YOU TO, TO CHAT THROUGH IT.
UM, SO GENERALLY HOW YOU MOVE THROUGHOUT A BOW TIE IS IF, UH, YOU KNOW, THE, THE INTERSECTION, THE MAIN INTERSECTION ITSELF DOES NOT ALLOW LEFT TURNS, WHICH IS WHERE A LOT OF THE EFFICIENCY COMES FROM.
IT'S ALSO WHERE A LOT OF THE SAFETY COMES FROM IF YOU DO NOT ALLOW LEFT TURNS AT THE INTERSECTION.
SO ANYBODY THAT WANTS TO MAKE A LEFT WOULD FIRST MAKE A RIGHT TRAVERSE THROUGH A ROUNDABOUT AND THEN, UH, YOU KNOW, PROCEED THROUGH YOUR INTERSECTION IN QUESTION.
UM, THAT WOULD BE TRUE FOR MAIN LINE, THAT'D BE TRUE FOR, YOU KNOW, ANY, ANY DIRECTION OF TRAVEL.
IF YOU WANNA MEET MAKING A LEFT-HAND TURN, YOU'RE GONNA FIRST MAKE A RIGHT TRAVEL THROUGH THE ROUNDABOUT AND THEN PROCEED THROUGH YOUR INTENT TO YOUR INTENDED DIRECTION OF TRAVEL.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, THIS WOULD REQUIRE TWO ROUNDABOUTS, ONE ON EITHER SIDE OF BOTH SQUIRE, POPE AND SPANISH WELLS.
THE EXACT PLACEMENT OF THOSE ROUNDABOUTS IS UP FOR, I'M SORRY, DOES SOMEONE HAVE A QUESTION? EXACTLY.
TH THIS IS NOT ON THE STUDY COURT.
YOU ASKED THE QUESTION, I DIDN'T KNOW SHE DIDN'T.
THIS IS A, THIS IS A SAMPLE, THIS IS JUST A SAMPLE INTERSECTION, CORRECT? THIS, YEAH, THIS VIDEO IS, UH, PULLED FROM VIRGINIA DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION AND THEY DO A REALLY NICE JOB OF VISUALIZING SOME OF THESE TOUGHER CONCEPTS TO GRASP AS FAR AS HOW YOU TRAVERSE THROUGH A CORRIDOR.
AND SO THAT'S WHY WE PULLED, UM, YOU KNOW, PULLED THE VIDEO IN JUST AS AN ILLUSTRATIVE TOOL TO HELP VISUALIZE HOW A DRIVER MAY, YOU KNOW, FIND THEIR WAY THROUGH THIS INTERSECTION, PARTICULARLY IF THEY WERE HOPING TO TURN LEFT.
UM, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE JUST GOING STRAIGHT THROUGH OR TURNING RIGHT, YOU DON'T DO ANYTHING DIFFERENT THAN YOU DO TODAY, BUT LEFT TURNS ARE TREATED A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENTLY.
SO, AGAIN, AS I SAID BEFORE, THIS ALTERNATIVE REMOVES LEFT TURNS FROM BOTH SQUIRE, POPE AND SPANISH WELLS.
THE VEHICLES MUST NAVIGATE THROUGH THE BOW TIE INTERSECTIONS, BUT THE BOW TIE PART OF THAT ARE JUST TWO ROUNDABOUTS, UM, YOU KNOW, TO MAKE THEIR LEFT TURN MOVEMENTS.
IF YOU CLICK TO THE NEXT SLIDE, UM, YOU KNOW, WE LIST THE PROS AND CONS OF THIS CONFIGURATION.
ONE OF THE LARGEST PROS IS THAT IT'S GONNA IMPROVE SAFETY BECAUSE THERE WILL BE CON THERE WILL BE FEWER CONFLICTING VEHICLE AND PEDESTRIAN MOVEMENTS
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ALLOWED.UH, BOW TIE INTERSECTIONS HAVE 12 FEWER CONFLICT POINTS WHEN COMPARED TO TRADITIONAL INTERSECTIONS.
AND JUST STATISTICALLY, IF WE HAVE FEWER POINTS WHERE THERE ARE POTENTIAL CONFLICT ZONES, THAT IS REMOVING 12 POINTS, 12 POTENTIAL COLLISION POINTS WITHIN A TRADITIONAL INTERSECTION.
SO NATURALLY, ANYTHING THAT REMOVES LEFT TURNS FROM THE INTERSECTIONS, UM, YOU KNOW, ARE GOING TO REALLY INCREASE THE SAFETY OF THE CONFIGURATION INTO THE FUTURE.
THIS WILL ENCOURAGE LOWER VEHICLE SPEEDS BECAUSE PEOPLE WILL BE, UH, YOU KNOW, TRAVERSING THROUGH A ROUNDABOUT.
THIS REDUCES THE SIZE OF THE INTERSECTIONS OVERALL BECAUSE THE LEFT TURN LANES ARE REMOVED FROM THE MAIN LINE AND THE SIDE STREETS.
THAT INCREASES THE EFFICIENCY OF THE SIGNALED INTERSECTIONS BECAUSE MORE OF THE SIGNAL TIME CAN GO TO THE MAIN THROUGH MOVEMENTS AS OPPOSED TO THE LEFT TURNING MOVEMENTS, WHICH WILL IMPROVE TRAFFIC OPERATIONS.
SOME OF THE DOWNSIDES FOR BOW TIE, ONE OF THE OBVIOUS ONES, OF COURSE, IS THAT IT REQUIRES A CHANGE IN DECISION MAKING FOR DRIVERS AND ALL OF THE LEFT TURN MOVEMENTS WOULD BECOME RIGHT, TURNS HAVE TO NAVIGATE THROUGH A ROUNDABOUT AND RETURN, UH, TO TRAVEL STRAIGHT THROUGH THE INTERSECTION INTO THEIR INTENDED DIRECTION OF TRAVEL.
SO THIS WILL INCREASE THE AMOUNT OF TRAVEL TIME FOR LEFT TURNING VEHICLES, AND THIS ALSO WILL POTENTIALLY REQUIRE SOME ADDITIONAL RIGHT AWAY IN DIFFERENT AREAS FOR ROUNDABOUTS THAT ARE, UM, YOU KNOW, FARTHER AWAY FROM THE MAIN CORRIDOR THAT HAS BEEN IN QUESTION SO FAR.
IF YOU GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, NATE, UM, WE GET INTO A SIMILAR SLIDE AS WE PROVIDED FOR ALTERNATIVE ONE, WHAT THE BENEFITS WOULD BE.
UM, YOU KNOW, OVERALL THIS CONFIGURATION AT SQUIRE, POPE AND SPANISH WELLS IS EXPECTED TO IMPROVE OPERATIONS THROUGHOUT THE STUDY AREA.
UM, EACH SIGNALED INTERSECTION WOULD BE EXPECTED TO OPERATE WITH A LEVEL OF SERVICE D OR BETTER.
THIS IS GONNA BE THE SAME STORY FOR SIDE STREETS OR UNSIGNED SIDE STREET MOVEMENTS FOR THE ENTIRE CORRIDOR.
UM, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S, IF IT DOESN'T HAVE A SIGNAL, UH, IT, IT MAY STILL BE EXPERIENCING LONG DELAYS AT THE MAIN CORRIDOR SIMPLY BECAUSE WE NEED TO PROVIDE A LITTLE BIT OF PREFERENCE TO THE HIGHER VOLUME MOVEMENTS, WHICH ARE THOSE MAINLINE TRAFFIC TRAFFIC MOVEMENTS ALONG 2 78.
AND THEN, UH, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE ANOTHER COMPARISON TABLE, UH, HERE AT THE BOTTOM WHERE ALTERNATIVE TWO COULD POTENTIALLY PROVIDE UP TO A 15% REDUCTION IN TRAVEL TIME FOR EASTBOUND TRAFFIC IN THE AM AND POTENTIALLY UP TO A 36% REDUCTION IN TRAVEL TIME FOR WESTBOUND VEHICLES.
IN THE PM WE HAVE A, A SLIDE AT THE END THAT COMPARES ALL OF THE ALTERNATIVES AGAINST ONE ANOTHER, PUTS THESE TABLES KIND OF ON THE SAME SCREEN.
BUT IF WE REMEMBER FROM A FEW SLIDES AGO, ALTERNATIVE ONE PROVIDED ABOUT 16% FOR AM EASTBOUND ALTERNATIVE ONE PROVIDED APPROXIMATELY 34% FOR, UH, THE WESTBOUND DIRECTION IN THE PM.
SO THESE TWO ALTERNATIVES ARE REALLY REMARKABLY CLOSE TO ONE ANOTHER IN THE IMPROVEMENT OF LEVEL SERVICE AND DECREASE IN TRAVEL TIME THAT THEY WOULD PROVIDE.
IF YOU GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, UM, WE DID ATTEMPT TO QUANTIFY THE CHANGE IN TRAVEL TIME THAT WOULD BE EXPECTED FOR THE DISPLACED LEFT TURN MOVEMENTS.
I KNOW THAT IS PROBABLY GONNA BE ONE OF THE LARGEST CONCERNS FOR THIS ALTERNATIVE SPECIFICALLY.
AND SO, AS YOU CAN SEE, THE LEFT TURNS AT SQUIRE POPE DO EXPERIENCE, UH, YOU KNOW, IN SOME, IN SOME PLACES, A PRETTY APPRECIABLE AMOUNT OF ADDED DELAY TO THEIR TRAVEL TIME.
UM, NOT GREATER THAN TWO MINUTES, BUT, UH, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THOSE NUMBERS IN THERE ARE BETWEEN ONE MINUTE, ONE MINUTE AND TWO MINUTES.
THE LARGEST INCREASE IN THE TRAVEL TIME, THOUGH I'LL NOTICE FOR THE NORTHBOUND LEFT TURN, WHICH IS NOT A HIGH VOLUME MOVEMENT AT SQUIRE POPE, UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S REALLY RATHER LOW.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, YES, THERE WILL BE SOME INCREASE IN TRAVEL TIME FOR LEFT TURNING FOLKS, BUT AGAIN, THE BENEFIT OF THAT IS 15% DECREASE IN TRAVEL TIME FOR THE CORRIDOR IN THE AM AND 36% DECREASE IN TRAVEL TIME FOR THE CORRIDOR WESTBOUND IN THE PM.
SO THERE ARE GONNA BE TRADE OFFS IN ANY OF THESE ALTERNATIVES THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
UH, IF WE LOOK AT SPANISH WELLS, HOWEVER, THE CURRENT CONFIGURATION OF SPANISH WELLS IS SO CONGESTED THAT THIS CONFIGURATION ACTUALLY WILL SAVE MOST PEOPLE TRAVEL TIME AT THE INTERSECTION, EVEN THOUGH THEY WILL HAVE TO TRAVEL FARTHER OUT OF THEIR WAY, TRAVERSE THEIR ROUNDABOUT AND COME BACK.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT IS ENCOURAGING, UM, YOU KNOW, AND CERTAINLY SPEAKS TO HOW CONGESTED THE EXISTING CONFIGURATION IS TODAY.
ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT ALTERNATIVE TWO AND THESE BOW TIES BEFORE WE GO TO ALTERNATIVE THREE? ANY QUESTIONS, SANDY? OKAY, ALTERNATIVE THREE, UM, IS WE HAVE A FEW DIFFERENT OPTIONS THAT WE CAN DO HERE.
UM, SO WE CONSIDERED EITHER AN ECHELON OR A CENTER TURNOVER PASS, AND WE DO HAVE ANOTHER VIDEO THAT WE COULD SHOW YOU FOR AN ECHELON, BUT UNFORTUNATELY WE DO NOT HAVE A VIDEO FOR THE CENTER TURNOVER PASS.
SO I'M GONNA DO MY BEST TO DESCRIBE EACH OF THESE FOR YOU BEFORE
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WE GET INTO THE SLIDES.UM, EACH OF THESE CONFIGURATIONS IS WHAT I'M GONNA CALL A PARTIALLY GRADE SEPARATED INTERCHANGE.
AND THE PARTIALLY GRADE SEPARATED IS THAT THERE ARE NO FREE FLOW MOVEMENTS IN ANY DIRECTION, AND ONLY SOME OF THE MOVEMENTS ARE ELEVATED ONTO THE BRIDGE SECTION.
SO FOR AN ECHELON, YOU MOVE TWO ENTIRE LEGS OF THE INTERSECTION.
SO, UM, AND THE, AND THEY SHOULD BE OPPOSING, SO LIKE SOUTHBOUND AND WESTBOUND OR NORTHBOUND AND EASTBOUND, BUT ONE L OF THE INTERSECTION, SO TO SPEAK, GETS ELEVATED AND THE OTHER ONE STAYS DOWN BELOW.
AND SO THERE ARE ESSENTIALLY TWO SIGNALED INTERSECTIONS ON TOP OF ONE ANOTHER.
AND BY DOING THAT, YOU ALLOW EACH OF THE INTERSECTIONS TO BE TWO PHASE SIGNALS, ONE DIRECTION AT A TIME, AND THEN TRAFFIC WOULD MERGE BACK IN TO FREE FLOW TRAFFIC, UH, YOU KNOW, IN THE MIDDLE OF THE CORRIDOR SEGMENT AS OPPOSED TO AT THESE INTERSECTION PAIN POINTS.
A CENTER TURNOVER PASS IS SIMILAR, HOWEVER, ALL OF THE LEFT TURNS OR ALL OF THE TURNS RATHER, UM, ARE ELEVATED INTO THE MIDDLE.
SO MOST OF YOUR MAIN LINE THREE TRAFFIC STAYS, STAYS DOWN.
THEY DON'T HAVE TO GO UP ONTO THE BRIDGE SECTION.
THEY STILL ARE, YOU KNOW, TWO SIGNALS STACKED ON TOP OF ONE ANOTHER, SO TO SPEAK.
UH, THEY STILL BOTH WOULD BE ABLE TO GENERALLY BE TWO FACE SIGNALS AND BENEFIT FROM THAT EFFICIENCY.
UH, BUT YOU WOULDN'T HAVE TO ELEVATE A MAJOR MOVEMENT.
UM, LIKE WE WOULDN'T HAVE TO ELEVATE ONE OF THE, UH, ONE OF THE LEGS OF 2 78 WITH A CENTER, TWO CENTER TURNOVER PASS, WHICH COULD POTENTIALLY REDUCE THEIR REQUIRED, UM, YOU KNOW, BRIDGE FOOTPRINT AND NATURALLY REDUCE, UM, COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH THAT.
SO IF WE STEP THROUGH THE SLIDE DECK HERE, WE HAVE ANOTHER VIDEO.
UM, YOU KNOW, NATE, IF YOU PLAY IT AGAIN, UM, WE CAN KIND OF WATCH HOW THIS GOES AND I'LL TRY AND TALK OVER IT.
UM, AGAIN, THIS IS A VIRGINIA DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION VIDEO.
I THINK THEY DO A REALLY NICE JOB OF VISUALIZING SOME OF THESE INNOVATIVE INTERSECTION CONCEPTS AND MAKING IT EASY TO UNDERSTAND HOW DRIVERS WOULD TRAVERSE THROUGH THEM.
SO AGAIN, THIS IS NOT A MOCKUP OF OUR CORRIDOR, THIS IS JUST A GENERAL PUBLIC INFORMATION TOOL THAT VIRGINIA DOT PROVIDES ON THEIR WEBSITE.
AND I THINK IT'S REALLY, UM, RATHER USEFUL.
SO IF YOU GUYS, IF ANYBODY ON THE COMMITTEE OR ANYBODY IN THE PUBLIC IS INTERESTED IN HEARING THIS VIDEO WITH SOUND OR POKING AROUND THEIR WEBSITE TO SEE MORE INFORMATION ON ANY OF THESE CONFIGURATIONS, IT'S, IT'S PRETTY EASY TO FIND.
THEY HAVE A REALLY NICE WEBSITE, SO I WOULD CERTAINLY ENCOURAGE ANYBODY TO DO THAT.
UM, YOU KNOW, SO HOW DO YOU USE AN ECHELON AS A MOTORIST? THERE REALLY IS NO, THERE'S NOT MUCH DIFFERENCE INTUITIVELY OF HOW YOU TRAVERSE THE, THE INTERSECTION.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO EXIT EARLY, YOU DON'T HAVE TO TURN RIGHT TO TURN LEFT, YOU DON'T HAVE TO TURN AROUND AT A U-TURN AROUND ABOUT YOU'RE DRIVING AS YOU NORMALLY WOULD HAVE.
IT'S JUST PART OF THE ROAD IS GOING TO BE ELEVATED AND PART OF IT IS NOT, DEPENDING ON WHICH LEG OF THE INTERSECTION YOU'RE GOING TO BE AT.
AND THEN AS YOU TRAVERSE THROUGH THE INTERSECTION IN YOUR INTENDED DIRECTION OF TRAVEL, YOU MAY OR MAY NOT BE REQUIRED TO RIDE A RAMP DOWN AND MERGE BACK IN WITH THE MAIN LINE OF TRAFFIC IN WHICHEVER DIRECTION YOU ARE HEADED.
THERE ARE A LOT OF BENEFITS FOR PEDESTRIANS AND BICYCLISTS FOR THIS OPTION TWO.
UM, BECAUSE WE'RE STACKING THE INTERSECTIONS ON TOP OF ONE ANOTHER, GENERALLY THAT MEANS THAT THE FOOTPRINT IS LESS THAN IF THE ENTIRE INTERSECTION WAS COMBINED AND AT GRADE.
SO THAT ALLOWS FOR SHORTENED CROSSING DISTANCES FOR PEDESTRIANS, WHICH IS REALLY, REALLY QUITE NICE.
IT'S NOT AS DAUNTING TO CROSS, YOU KNOW, SIX OR EIGHT LANES OF TRAFFIC, UH, WHERE YOU COULD BE, YOU KNOW, WALKING UNDER THE BRIDGE AND POTENTIALLY ONLY CROSSING FOUR OR FIVE LANES OF TRAFFIC.
YOU MAY BE ABLE TO AVOID HAVING PEDESTRIAN ISLANDS THAT WAY.
UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S REALLY, UM, YOU KNOW, HAVE SHORTER WAIT TIMES IMPROVED SAFETY.
AGAIN, IF WE ARE TAKING OUT A LOT OF THE CONFLICT POINTS BECAUSE WE'RE SEPARATING THE, WHAT USED TO BE ONE INTERSECTION INTO TWO, ESSENTIALLY, UM, THAT'S GOING TO HAVE SOME IMPROVED SAFETY, UM, YOU KNOW, REDUCED, REDUCED CONFLICT AREAS AND IMPROVED SAFETY IMPLICATIONS AS WELL.
SO IF YOU GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, SOME OF THE BENEFITS OF THE ECHELON, THE PROS AND CONS OF THE ECHELON OR THE CENTER TURNOVER PASS ARE LARGELY GONNA BE THE SAME.
UM, BUT PROS FOR THE ECHELON, IT'S GONNA IMPROVE SAFETY FOR FEWER CONFLICTING VEHICLE AND PEDESTRIAN MOVEMENTS.
UM, THE ECHELON INTERSECTION HAS 10 FEWER CONFLICT POINTS WHEN COMPARED TO TRADITIONAL INTERSECTIONS.
IT DOES NOT REQUIRE CHANGE IN DECISION MAKING FOR DRIVERS BECAUSE ALL MOVEMENTS WOULD REMAIN AT THE POINT WHERE THEY ARE CURRENTLY MAKING DECISIONS TODAY.
IT'S GOING TO INCREASE THE EFFICIENCY OF THE SIGNALED INTERSECTIONS BECAUSE WE'RE SPLITTING ONE INTO TWO AND WE ARE REDUCING THE NUMBER OF PHASES THAT HAVE TO BE SERVED AT EACH OF THE SIGNALS THROUGH THAT WAY.
SO EACH MOVEMENT'S GONNA GET MORE GREEN TIME ALLOCATED
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TO THEM.AND, UM, WE, YOU KNOW, IT HAS THE POTENTIAL TO REDUCE THE AMOUNT OF, OF RIGHT OF WAY NEEDED BY THE GREAT SEPARATION.
AND, UH, ELEVATING SOME OF THESE MOVEMENTS, SOME OF THE CONS.
UM, OF COURSE IT REQUIRES GREAT SEPARATION, IT REQUIRES BRIDGES.
THOSE THINGS ARE NATURALLY GOING TO BE MORE EXPENSIVE TO CONSTRUCT, POTENTIALLY MORE EXPENSIVE TO MAINTAIN.
AND, UM, YOU KNOW, OVERALL, UH, IT WOULD STILL BE A, A RATHER LARGE INTERSECTION.
I, YOU KNOW, I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY WAY AROUND THAT, ALTHOUGH ALL MOVEMENTS ARE STILL GONNA BE ALLOWED AT THIS CONFIGURATION.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, AS FAR AS PUBLIC ACCEPTANCE OR COMFORT DRIVING THROUGH SOME OF THESE GREAT SEPARATED ALTERNATIVES, UM, YOU KNOW, IT, IT HOPEFULLY WOULD NOT BE TOO MUCH OF A LEARNING CURVE TO, TO LEARN HOW TO GET WHERE YOU'RE GOING THROUGH ONE OF THESE CONFIGURATIONS.
IF YOU CLICK TO THE NEXT SLIDE.
KATE, CAN I ASK YOU THE ECHELON MODEL? I, I THINK IT'S A, UH, A GOOD ONE.
DOES THAT MEAN THAT IT ELIMINATES THE TRAFFIC LIGHTS? SO THE TRAFFIC LIGHTS ON 2 78, UM, FROM, UH, SPANISH WELLS GUM TREE, BUT ON 2 78, SO IS THE, IS THAT, UM, POSSIBILITY THE SIGNALS WOULD STAY? SO I KNOW THAT IT'S KIND OF HARD FROM THE VIDEO TO SEE, YOU KNOW, UNDER THE BRIDGE, BUT IT WOULD BE TWO SIGNALED INTERSECTIONS ON TOP OF ONE ANOTHER, ESSENTIALLY.
AND SO FOR THE ECHELON SPECIFICALLY, ONE LEG OF 2 78 AND ONE LEG OF THE SIDE STREET, WHETHER IT BE SQUIRE POP OR SPANISH WELLS WOULD STILL BE, WOULD, WOULD BE AT THE SAME LEVEL.
SO ONE WOULD BE DOWN, ONE WOULD BE UP, AND THEN THOSE INTERSECTION POINTS WOULD BE CONTROLLED BY A SIGNAL.
BUT INSTEAD OF HAVING, INSTEAD OF THAT SIGNAL HAVING TO PAY ATTENTION TO FOUR DIRECTIONS OF TRAFFIC AND UP TO EIGHT PHASES, IF YOU INCLUDE LEFT TURNS, IT'S ONLY PAYING ATTENTION TO TWO DIRECTIONS OF TRAFFIC AND CAN BE, UH, TWO PHASE SIGNAL AS OPPOSED TO AN EIGHT PHASE SIGNAL.
AND SO THAT'S GONNA ALLOW MORE GREEN TIME TO BE SERVED TO EVERY MOVEMENT, AND THEN THEY WILL MERGE BACK IN, UM, YOU KNOW, IN FREE FLOW CONDITION BACK ONTO WHATEVER ROAD THEY'RE TRYING TO GET ON.
BUT AT LIKE, AT A MIDBLOCK LOCATION, INSTEAD OF DOING ALL OF THAT AT THE INTERSECTION CONGESTION POINT.
BUT I WOULD THINK IF YOU HAVE A SIMPLE OVERPASS AND DO AWAY WITH THE TRAFFIC LIGHTS, NO, NO, THERE ARE COMPLETELY GRADE SEPARATED INTERCHANGES THAT, UH, WE CERTAINLY DID CONSIDER.
BUT TO DO AWAY WITH THE TRAFFIC LIGHTS COMPLETELY, YOU A LOT OF TIMES HAVE TO MAKE THINGS COMPLETELY FREE FLOW MOVEMENTS.
UM, AND THAT REQUIRES A LOT OF RAMPS.
UM, USUALLY A LOT OF RIGHT OF WAY, A LOT OF, UM, YOU KNOW, DECELERATION, EXTENDED DECELERATION AND ACCELERATION LANES IF IT'S A FREE FLOW MOVEMENT RATHER THAN BEING CONTROLLED BY A SIGNAL.
THERE ARE A LOT OF GEOMETRIC IMPLICATIONS WITH PROVIDING SOMETHING THAT DOES NOT REQUIRE A SIGNAL IN THE CONFIGURATION.
AND WHAT WE REALLY LIKED ABOUT THE ECHELON AND THE CENTER TURNOVER PASS WAS THAT YOU HAD A LOT OF THE SAME BENEFITS OF A TRUE, LIKE INTERSTATE INTERCHANGE IN A MUCH TINIER FOOTPRINT.
YOU DIDN'T HAVE, YOU KNOW, LIKE A, IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH A CLOVERLEAF INTERCHANGE, UM, YOU KNOW, LIKE WHAT IS ON MANY OF THE INTERSTATE SYSTEMS THROUGHOUT THE UNITED STATES, IF YOU LOOK OVER TOP OF IT, UM, YOU KNOW, YOU KIND OF HAVE THE FOUR QUADRANTS OF FOUR LEAF CLOVER AND EIGHT RAMPS ALL AROUND.
LIKE, THOSE THINGS ARE MASSIVE.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE, THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD HAVE VERY SEVERE RIDEAWAY IMPLICATIONS FOR THIS CORRIDOR.
AND SO WE FELT THAT SOMETHING WITH A SMALLER FOOTPRINT AND A BIT MORE CONSTRAINED WOULD, UH, WOULD BE A NICE COMPROMISE, UM, CONSIDERING ALL THE COMPETING INTERESTS THAT WE'RE HOPING TO HIT FOR THE SOLUTION.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THE ECHELON? SO THE ONLY WAY TO, 'CAUSE I THINK THE REAL VALUE IS IN GETTING RID OF THOSE LIGHTS.
SO THEN YOU HAVE A, EVERY, EVERY OTHER LIGHT YOU HAVE ON THAT TRACK IS A PROBLEM.
UM, BUT YOU ONLY SEE ELIMINATION OF THOSE LIGHTS BY DOING, UM, A CLOVER.
THERE, THERE, THERE, THERE ARE OTHER WAYS.
YEAH, I WAS, UM, YOU KNOW, SPEAKING IN A BIT OF A GENERALITY THERE.
SO ALTERNATIVE FOUR I THINK IS, UM, YOU KNOW, WHAT YOU'LL BE, WHAT YOU'LL BE INTERESTED TO SEE, UM, ONCE WE KINDA GET THROUGH THERE AND, UM, YOU KNOW, FINISH OUR DISCUSSION.
ALTERNATIVE THREE, ALTERNATIVE FOUR DOES HAVE A CONFIGURATION, UH, THAT IS A NOD TO OUR BYPASS IDEA AND ALSO IS, UM, YOU KNOW, REMOVE SOME OF THE, SOME OF THE LIGHTS IN CERTAIN PLACES OF THE CORRIDOR AS YOU'RE, AS YOU'RE NOTING.
SO, UM, IF IT'S OKAY, I'LL MOVE THROUGH AND JUST BRIEFLY DESCRIBE THE CENTER TURNOVER PASS, MAKE SURE NOBODY HAS QUESTIONS ON THAT.
AND THEN WE CAN GET INTO ALTERNATIVE FOUR, WHICH IS MORE OF, UM, YOU KNOW, THE TRUE BYPASS, WHICH I THINK YOU'RE INTERESTED IN DIETRICH.
SO AS SENATOR TURNOVER PASS, AGAIN, WE
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DON'T HAVE A VIDEO OF THIS ONE, BUT THIS GRAPHIC HOPEFULLY ILLUSTRATES ABOUT THE SAME THING.UM, GENERALLY YOU ARE GOING TO MAKE A TURN IN THE SAME DIRECTION AS YOU WOULD UNDER A, A NORMAL AT GRADE SIGNALED INTERSECTION TODAY.
HOWEVER, IF YOU'RE MAKING A LEFT TURN, YOU'RE JUST GONNA TAKE A RAMP UP AND THE LEFT TURNS THEN WOULD BE THE TOP SIGNALED INTERSECTION ABOVE THE REST OF THE MOVEMENTS, WHICH WOULD STAY AT GRADE BELOW.
SO THIS COULD POTENTIALLY REDUCE THE SIZE OF THE STRUCTURE THAT'S REQUIRED.
UM, OBVIOUSLY ONE LEFT TURN LANE ELEVATED IS DIFFERENT THAN ELEVATING AN ENTIRE LEG OF BOTH ROADWAYS.
SO THAT'S A, THAT'S A POTENTIAL BENEFIT FOR THE CENTER TURNOVER PASS OVER AN ECHELON.
UM, YOU KNOW, BUT AGAIN, TO MAKE A LEFT TURN, YOU TAKE THE LEFT TURN RAMP UP TO THE ELEVATED INTERSECTION, TURN LEFT AT A TRAFFIC SIGNAL, AND THEN YOU MERGE WITH THROUGH TRAFFIC ON YOUR WAY BACK DOWN, UM, BACK DOWN TO GRADE LEVEL AGAIN.
PEDESTRIANS CAN USE MARKED CROSSWALKS TO SAFELY CROSS THE INTERSECTION AT GRADE.
UH, DEPENDING ON THE LEVEL OF COMFORT, BICYCLISTS CAN STILL NAVIGATE THE INTERSECTION USING VEHICLE OR BICYCLE PATHS.
UM, IT, YOU KNOW, REALLY JUST REMOVES A PHASE OF THE SIGNAL BY STILL ALLOWING LEFT TURNS TO HAPPEN WHERE THEY DO TODAY, IT'S JUST GONNA BE ELEVATED AND ON TOP OF, SO TO SPEAK, THE EXISTING INTERSECTION CONFIGURATION.
SO IF YOU CLICK TO THE NEXT SLIDE, WE AGAIN LIST PROS AND CONS OF THIS ALTERNATIVE.
THEY'RE GONNA BE LARGELY THE SAME AS THEY WERE FOR THE ECHELON.
UM, YOU KNOW, IT IMPROVES SAFETY BECAUSE YOU HAVE FEWER CONFLICTING VEHICLE AND PEDESTRIAN MOVEMENTS.
THE CENTER TO OVERPASS INTERSECTION HAS EIGHT FEWER CONFLICT POINTS WHEN COMPARED TO TRADITIONAL INTERSECTIONS.
IT INCREASES OUR EFFICIENCY BECAUSE WE'RE ABLE TO REDUCE THE NUMBER OF PHASES AT OUR SIGNALS.
IT REDUCES THE SIZE OF THE INTERSECTION BECAUSE LEFT TURN LANES ARE REMOVED FROM THE AT GRADE SETTING.
UM, SOME CONS, IT DOES REQUIRE GRADE SEPARATION, WHICH DOES REQUIRE BRIDGE STRUCTURES, WHICH IS GOING TO REQUIRE MORE MONEY TO CONSTRUCT THAN A TRADITIONAL AT GRADE INTERSECTION.
AND OVERALL, IT STILL WOULD BE A VERY LARGE INTERSECTION, UM, LIKELY, BUT MOVEMENTS WOULD STILL BE ALLOWED WHERE THEY CURRENTLY EXIST TODAY, THERE WOULD NOT BE ANY REROUTING CONFUSION FOR, UM, YOU KNOW, RESIDENTS OR VISITORS TO THE ISLAND ALIKE.
UM, IT'S, IT'S STILL PRETTY INTUITIVE HOW TO NAVIGATE THROUGH THIS SYSTEM.
SO IF YOU CLICK ON THE NEXT SLIDE, UH, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE AN ALTERNATIVE OF EITHER OF THESE.
AND SO WHEN WE'RE CONSIDERING ALTERNATIVE THREE, UM, YOU KNOW, WE THINK THAT EITHER THE ECHELON OR THE CENTER TURNOVER PASS HAVE VALUE AT SQUIRE POPE OR SPANISH WELLS, BUT THE REALITY IS THAT THERE'S NOT ROOM ALONG THE CORRIDOR TO HAVE ONE OF THEM AT BOTH.
SO WE'RE VIEWING THIS AS AN EITHER OR, LIKE EITHER YOU HAVE THIS GRADE SEPARATED INTERSECTION PROVIDED AT SQUIRE POPE OR AT SPANISH WELLS.
THE OTHER ONE WOULD STILL BE A REGULAR AT GRADE INTERSECTION.
AND THE REASON FOR THAT IS THAT YOU, LIKE, THERE'S NOT ENOUGH ROOM TO GET UP AND THEN BACK DOWN BETWEEN SQUIRE, POPE AND SPANISH WELLS.
UM, YOU KNOW, EVEN IF THERE WAS A SMALL AREA WHERE IT TECHNICALLY WOULD WORK, WE ARE CONCERNED ABOUT THE SAFETY AND IMPLICATIONS OF WEAVING THAT WE WOULD BE ASKING TURNING VEHICLES OR MERGING VEHICLES TO PERFORM THEN BEFORE THEY WOULD APPROACH THAT NEXT INTERSECTION.
SO FOR THIS PURPOSE, WE ARE ASSUMING THAT THIS IS AN EITHER OR SITUATION.
WE'RE GONNA HAVE ONE OF THESE EITHER AT SPANISH WALLS OR AT SQUIRE POPE, BUT NOT BOTH.
SO WE HAVE A MORE EXTENSIVE TABLE ON THE NEXT SLIDE THAT'S GONNA SHOW THIS, BUT GENERALLY ANY COMBINATION OF THAT IS GOING TO PROVIDE ACCEPTABLE LEVELS OF SERVICE ALONG THE CORRIDOR INTERSECTIONS AT MAJOR POINTS ARE GONNA OPERATE WITH LEVEL OF SERVICE D ARE BETTER.
SAME STORY SIDE STREETS STILL MAY HAVE SOME LESSER LEVELS OF SERVICE PROVIDED, BUT THAT IS A COMPROMISE TO TRY AND HAVE THE MAIN LINE RUN AS EFFICIENTLY AS POSSIBLE.
UM, YOU KNOW, THE, THE LONG KEYS AND DELAY THAT ARE EXPECTED UNDER THE NO BUILD CONDITION, UM, ARE GENERALLY GONNA BE IMPROVED WITH ANY OF THESE, ANY OF THESE ALTERNATIVES, ONE THROUGH THROUGH THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT.
SO IF YOU GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, UM, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE THIS EXPANDED TABLE FROM WHAT WE'VE SHOWN FOR ALTERNATIVES, ONE OR THREE, BUT IT'S THE SAME INFORMATION.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, THIS IS EVERY COMBINATION OF EITHER AN ECHELON AT SQUIRE POP OR SPANISH WELLS OR A CENTER TURNOVER PASS AT SQUIRE POP OR SPANISH WELLS.
WE GENERALLY DON'T SEE MANY DIFFERENCES FROM A TRAFFIC PERSPECTIVE ON WHICH OPTION WOULD ULTIMATELY BE SELECTED FOR ALTERNATIVE THREE HERE.
I THINK THAT IT'S GONNA BE MORE OF A GEOMETRIC OR RIGHT AWAY ISSUE AND MORE OF A DISCUSSION ON TIE DOWN POINTS AND WHICH LEGS TO BE ELEVATED IF THE ECHELON HAS PREFERRED THOSE TYPES OF THINGS.
BUT GENERALLY, JUST TO GIVE YOU GUYS AN IDEA OF HOW THESE PERFORM AGAINST ONE ANOTHER, UM, AN ECHELON AT SQUIRE POPE WOULD BE
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A POTENTIAL 32% REDUCTION.WESTBOUND PM ECHELON AT SPANISH WELLS REALLY DOESN'T PERFORM AS WELL.
UM, BUT IT STILL IS, IS PRETTY, PRETTY DECENT REDUCTION.
UM, 21% EASTBOUND IN THE AM, 40% WESTBOUND IN THE PM.
AND THEN IF WE GO TO THE CENTER TURNOVER PASSES, UM, YOU KNOW, AT SQUIRE POPE IT WOULD BE ABOUT AN 18% REDUCTION EASTBOUND IN THE AM 41% REDUCTION PM IN THE WESTBOUND.
UH, THOSE NUMBERS AREN'T QUITE AS HIGH AS, UM, THE ECHELON AT ESQUIRE POPE, BUT THEY'RE, I MEAN, THEY'RE SIMILAR AND THEY STILL PROVIDE A REALLY NICE REDUCTION.
AND THEN A CENTER TO OVERPASS AT SPANISH WELLS WOULD BE ABOUT A 20% REDUCTION.
EASTBOUND AM 45% REDUCTION IN EASTBOUND PM.
AGAIN, IF YOU COMPARE THAT NUMBER TO THE ECHELON NUMBER AS SPANISH WELLS, UM, YOU KNOW, THOSE ARE, THOSE ARE PRETTY SIMILAR TOO.
UM, IF, IF IT WAS DECIDED THAT THIS TYPE OF INTERSECTION CONFIGURATION WAS PREFERRED AS SPANISH WELLS RATHER THAN SQUARE BOAT NOW, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT ALTERNATIVE THREE AND THE IDEA OF THIS, UM, YOU KNOW, KIND OF QUASI GRADE SEPARATED INTERSECTION? ANY QUESTIONS? I'M NOT SEEING ANY, KATE.
SO WE CAN MOVE ON TO ALTERNATIVE FOUR.
SO AS NATE NOTED IN THE BEGINNING, ALTERNATIVE FOUR IS ONE THAT WE HAVE NOT QUITE PINNED DOWN ALL OF OUR TRAFFIC NUMBERS ON YET.
WE ARE STILL WORKING THROUGH SOME OF THE INS AND OUTS.
UM, THE GEOMETRICS WERE A LITTLE COMPLICATED, AND SO WE SPENT MOST OF OUR TIME PRIOR TO THIS MEETING MAKING SURE THAT WE WERE ABLE TO, YOU KNOW, DRAW SOMETHING UP THAT MADE SENSE TO GIVE ACCESS TO ALL THESE MOVEMENTS PRIOR TO THE APRIL 10TH MEETING.
AS IT'S NOTED AT THE BOTTOM OF THIS SLIDE, WE WILL HAVE OPERATING RESULTS AND CONFIRMED TIME POINTS AND, YOU KNOW, FURTHER DEFINED WHAT THIS WOULD LOOK LIKE AT THE APRIL 10TH MEETING.
BUT GENERALLY OUR AL OUR ALTERNATIVE FOUR IS AN ELEVATED BYPASS.
A NOD TO THE IDEA, YOU KNOW, DIETRICH THAT YOU'VE BEEN DISCUSSING IN THIS MEETING AND IN OTHERS THAT WE NEED SOME, UH, YOU KNOW, THE CORRIDOR, UH, COULD POTENTIALLY BENEFIT FROM HAVING A, A BYPASS OPTION WHERE VEHICLES THAT DON'T REALLY NEED TO GO TO SQUIRE PO OR SPANISH WELLS OR GUMTREE THAT WANNA BYPASS ALL OF THAT CAN GET OUTTA THE WAY, NOT HAVE TO GO THROUGH ALL OF THESE AT GREAT SIGNAL ICE INTERSECTIONS AND POTENTIALLY RELIEVE SOME OF THAT CONGESTION FOR THE LOCAL TRAFFIC THAT IS TRAVERSING THROUGH THIS NETWORK.
SO OUR IDEA FOR OUR BYPASS WOULD LARGELY MAY LARGELY STAY WITHIN THE EXISTING CORNER FOOTPRINT.
AND SO THAT IS, THAT IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN SOME OF THE IDEAS THAT HAVE BEEN FLOATED PRIOR.
AND THIS ALTERNATIVE CORE THAT WE ARE GONNA SHOW YOU TODAY.
IT'S OUR OPINION THAT, UM, CON CONSTRUCTING A NEW BYPASS THROUGH VIRGIN WETLANDS AND, UH, YOU KNOW, OTHER, OTHER LANDS WHERE THERE IS NOT CURRENTLY A ROADWAY COULD OPEN UP A NUMBER OF ENVIRONMENTAL CONCERNS OR ROADBLOCKS, QUITE FRANKLY, THAT WOULD PREVENT THAT IDEA FROM EVER COMING TO LIGHT.
SO WE TRIED TO SEE IF THERE'S AN IDEA THAT COULD WORK LARGELY WITHIN THE EXISTING CORRIDOR FOOTPRINT, AND THAT IS WHAT WE'VE COME UP WITH TODAY.
SO GENERALLY IT'S, UH, YOU KNOW, I'LL, I'LL DESCRIBE IT AS BEST I CAN IF WE HAVE SPECIFIC QUESTIONS ABOUT THE BYPASS.
I KNOW WE HAVE LAUREN JACKSON ON THE PHONE WHO'S OUR SENIOR ENGINEER.
HE, UM, YOU KNOW, REALLY DEVELOPED, DEVELOPED THESE DRAWINGS AND, UH, YOU KNOW, IS INTRICATELY AWARE OF THE INS AND OUTS AND HOW SOME OF THIS COULD BE CONSTRUCTED.
SO THE IDEA WOULD BE THAT THE, THE MIDDLE LANES THAT YOU SEE WOULD BE AN ELEVATED FOUR LANE BYPASS, TWO LANES IN EACH DIRECTION, AND THEN THERE WOULD BE A ONE LANE COLLECTOR ROAD, AS YOU WILL, THAT WOULD BE KIND OF ON THE OUTSIDE OF THAT BYPASS.
THAT WOULD STILL BE AT GRADE ON THE GROUND WHERE IT IS TODAY.
AND THAT WOULD BE WHAT SERVES THE LOCAL TRAFFIC AND SERVES SQUIRE, POPE AND SPANISH WELLS.
AND THE, YOU KNOW, THE LAUNCH POINT FOR THAT BYPASS WOULD BE TO THE WEST OF SQUIRE POPE.
AND THEN IF YOU CLICK THROUGH THESE SLIDES, I THINK THERE ARE THREE OF THEM, WE WOULD CONTINUE WITH AN ELEVATED ROADWAY SECTION.
UM, AS YOU CAN SEE, WE'RE STILL PROVIDING FULL ACCESS ON THE LOCAL SYSTEM TO, FOR PEOPLE TO TURN IN EVERY DIRECTION.
UM, YOU KNOW, FROM THAT LOCAL, LOCAL ROADWAY SYSTEM, WE STILL HAVE THE FOUR LANES ELEVATED THROUGHOUT THIS ENTIRE STRETCH.
UM, FOUR LANES ELEVATED THROUGH SPANISH WELLS.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE, YOU'D STILL BE ABLE TO TURN IN EVERY DIRECTION AT A SIGNAL ICE INTERSECTION ON THE GROUND AT SPANISH WELLS.
AND THEN WE GET INTO HOW IT WOULD TIE INTO OUR EXISTING CROSS ISLAND PARKWAY.
AND THEN IF YOU GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, UM, YOU KNOW, LARGELY WE'RE FOLLOWING THE ALIGNMENT OF THE EXISTING ROADWAY.
THERE IS ONE NEW, UH, YOU KNOW, KIND OF BRIDGE RAMP, SO TO SPEAK, WHERE PEOPLE, UM, THAT WERE ON THE ELEVATED SECTION, IF THEY WANTED TO CONTINUE
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TO THE EAST ON 2 78 AND BYPASS GUMTREE, THEY COULD DO THAT.OR YOU'RE ALSO ABLE TO GO ON THE EXISTING CROSS ISLAND PARKWAY TO THE SOUTH AND DOWN TO LIKE THE SEA PINE CIRCLE AREA.
UM, AS WE HAVE THIS DRAWN TODAY, THERE'S ALSO THE OPTION FOR PEOPLE TO GET ONTO THE BYPASS EAST OF GUMTREE TO THEN CONTINUE ALL THE WAY TO THE WEST OUT AND BE ON THE BYPASS SO THEY DON'T HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE SPANISH WELLS AND SQUIRE POPE INTERSECTIONS TO ULTIMATELY LEAVE THE ISLAND AND GET BACK TO THE MAINLAND.
SO WE THINK THAT THIS IDEA, UM, YOU KNOW, WE, NATE SAID IN THE BEGINNING OF THE MEETING, WE'VE NUMBERED THESE SEQUENTIALLY IN HOW WE KIND OF THOUGHT ABOUT THE MAGNITUDE OF THE IMPROVEMENTS, NOT NECESSARILY IN ANY SORT OF ORDER AS LIKE BEST TO WORST OR LIKE FAVORITE TO LEAST FAVORITE.
BUT IF YOU'VE NOTICED, YOU KNOW, ONE AND TWO, WERE STILL AT GRADE INTERSECTIONS DIDN'T INCLUDE BRIDGES, ASSUMING THEY'RE GONNA BE THE LEAST COSTLY TO CONSTRUCT WITH MATERIALS BECAUSE OF THE BRIDGE, YOU KNOW, THE LACK OF BRIDGES.
ALTERNATIVE THREE IS, YOU KNOW, KIND OF AN IN BETWEEN.
WE HAVE SOME BRIDGES, BUT WE STILL HAVE SIGNALS.
NOTHING IS, YOU KNOW, COMPLETELY ELEVATED OR, UH, YOU KNOW, WITHOUT SIGNALS AND CAN, CAN BYPASS THAT CONGESTION.
AND THEN THIS ALTERNATIVE FOUR WOULD BE A TRUE, YOU KNOW, REMOVE A BULK OF THE TRAFFIC FROM THE LOCAL SYSTEM COMPLETELY.
AND, UH, YOU KNOW, THIS IS AN IDEA THAT WE THINK WOULD BE WORTH CONSIDERING IF AN IMPROVEMENT OF THAT MAGNITUDE IS DESIRED, KATE.
AND SO, YES, UM, I'M SURE YOU'VE SEEN THE, THE OTHER BYPASS, UM, IDEA THAT HAS BEEN FLOATED AROUND, WHICH IS, UH, NOT ELEVATED, BUT RUNS, UM, SOUTH OF THE 2 78 AND THEN TIES INTO THE CROSS ISLAND GOING OVER MM-HMM,
ONE OF THE THOUGHTS THAT WE HAD, AND, AND I THINK I WOULD LIKE TO ASK YOU TO CONSIDER THAT AND TO MODEL THAT BECAUSE IT, UH, IS, UH, OF COURSE A WIDE SLAB OF CONCRETE, UM, BUT NOT ELEVATED EXCEPT FOR OVER SPANISH WELLS ROAD.
AND SINCE 50 60% OF THE TRAFFIC GOES ONTO THE CROSS ISLAND, UM, THAT WOULD ALSO ACHIEVE THE TAKING CARS OFF THE REGULAR BUSINESS 2 78 AND FUNNELING IT DIRECTLY TO, UH, TIE INTO THE 2 78 TO TO THE CROSS ISLAND PARKWAY.
UM, HAVE YOU, HAS, HAVE YOU AND NATE SEEN THAT, UM, THAT PROPOSAL THAT HAS BEEN FLOATING AROUND? YES.
YES, WE'VE SEEN THAT ALIGNMENT AND WE BELIEVE THAT THIS ACHIEVES THE SAME THING THAT YOU JUST DESCRIBED.
UM, YOU KNOW, TAKING CARS FROM 2 78, BYPASSING SOME OF THE LOCAL TRAFFIC, IT HAS AN OPTION TO TIE IN DIRECTLY TO THE CROSS ISLAND PARKWAY.
IT ALSO HAS ADDITIONAL BENEFITS THAT THE OTHER BYPASS DOES NOT, WHICH ALLOWS PEOPLE TO BYPASS GUMTREE EVEN AND CONTINUE TO THE EAST ON 2 78.
AND THIS ALSO HAS THE ADDED BENEFIT OF STAYING LARGELY WITHIN THE EXISTING ROADWAY ALIGNMENT, WHICH WOULD, UM, YOU KNOW, AVOID SOME OF THE ENVIRONMENTAL CONCERNS AND POTENTIAL ROADBLOCKS AND RED FLAGS THAT WOULD BE ASSOCIATED WITH TRYING TO PUT A NEW CORRIDOR THROUGH PREVIOUSLY UNDEVELOPED ROADWAYS.
SO, YEAH, KATE, UH, MY BIG CONCERN WITH THIS, THE, THE PROPOSED NEW DEVELOPMENT, THERE'S NO CONSIDERATION TO SOIL MECHANICS AND, UH, EITHER IT'S GONNA HAVE BE ELEVATED BECAUSE OF THE WETLANDS THERE.
FIRST YOU HAVE TO APPROVE WETLAND, WHAT WE'RE GONNA GO THROUGH, AND WE'RE GONNA PRELOAD THAT SO WE SEE WHAT THE SETTLEMENT IS, AND WE'RE LOOKING AT 18 TO 24 MONTHS, THE PRELOAD SET AND THE ADDITIONAL COST OF THAT.
I THINK IT'S A, LIKE, UH, PLAYING DARTS, INSTEAD OF HAVING THE DART BOARD, YOU THROW THE DART AT A CONCRETE WALL, IT'S GONNA BOUNCE BACK.
SO, UH, THAT'S, THAT'S AN IDEA THAT WE CONSIDER BECAUSE THERE ARE TOO MANY RED FLAGS.
NATE, IF THERE WAS A QUESTION IN THERE, I DON'T THINK I CAUGHT IT.
COULD YOU REPEAT IT, PLEASE? I THINK IT'S, IT'S, UM, AN OPTION WE DEFINITELY NEED TO LOOK AT.
AND WE WERE GOING THROUGH WETLANDS, UM, ON OTHER PLACES AS WELL.
AND JUST TO BLUNTLY THROW IT OUT LIKE THAT.
AND, UM, SOIL MECHANICS IS SOIL MECHANIC.
WELL, YOU HAVE SOIL MECHANICS EVERYWHERE ALONG THE WHOLE THING.
SO MY REQUEST HERE TO LMU IS TO TAKE THAT IDEA SERIOUSLY, SEE WHAT IT COMES OUT WITH.
OH, I, I'M GONNA ASK SEAN TO, TO ADDRESS SOME OF THAT BECAUSE THAT, THAT, UM, WHAT WHAT HAS BEEN FLOATING AROUND, UM, HAS SOME CHALLENGES TO IT.
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WANT YOU TO ADDRESS THAT NOW IF YOU COULD.UM, ONE IN GENERAL, UM, WE WERE TASKED TO HAVE A CONSULTANT COME AND DO AN INDEPENDENT REVIEW.
UM, SO THE BYPASS THAT HAS BEEN MENTIONED, WHICH RUNS, UH, SOUTH OF THE CURRENT ALIGNMENT, HAS BEEN PROVIDED TO LOCK NEWELL AND, AND INTER SCOPE.
THEY'VE, THEY'VE RECOMMENDED FOUR ALTERNATIVES THAT THEY BELIEVE WERE WORTHY OF CONSIDERATION.
UM, THE, THE BYPASS THAT HAS BEEN PROPOSED SOUTH OF THE CURRENT ALIGNMENT.
UM, ONE, YOU KNOW, WHEN THE STONY COMMUNITY WAS DESIGNATED A CULTURAL OR TRADITIONAL CULTURAL PROPERTY, IT MEANT THAT THERE WAS A GOAL FROM OF THE PROJECT TO MINIMIZE THE IMPACT OF PROPERTIES WITHIN THAT AREA.
UM, WHILE MOST OF THE TOWN, MOST OF THE PROPERTY IS PUBLICLY OWNED OR TOWN OWNS, IT DOESN'T DISTINGUISH THAT IMPACT BETWEEN PUBLIC AND PRIVATE.
UM, IN ADDITION, THERE WOULD BE AT LEAST FIVE TO NINE PUBLIC, OR SORRY, PRIVATE PROPERTIES THAT WILL BE IMPACTED ABOVE AND BEYOND ANY, ANY THAT ARE ALREADY IDENTIFIED.
AND SO THERE ARE SOME SIGNIFICANT CONCERNS, UM, WETLAND ENVIRONMENTAL CONCERNS, OR ONE THING, UM, OBVIOUSLY THE, THE SOILS ARE ANOTHER CONDITION THAT, UH, MR. WARNER HAS BROUGHT UP.
UM, I'VE TALKED THROUGH OUR, WITH OUR TECHNICAL TEAM ABOUT THE BYPASS, NOT TO SAY WE, WE LIKE IT OR DON'T LIKE IT, BUT ASKED LOCK ME ALERT TO TAKE A LOOK AT IT AND SEE IF IT WAS AN ALTERNATIVE THEY THOUGHT WAS VIABLE TO REMAIN IN THEIR WORK.
UM, AND I THINK WHAT YOU'VE HEARD FROM KATE AND, AND NATE TODAY IS I THINK THIS ALTERNATIVE FOUR, AGAIN, NOT PUT WORDS IN THEIR MOUTH, AND, BUT IN THEIR OPINION IS AN ALTERNATIVE THAT ACHIEVES VERY SIMILAR GOALS.
THAT THE BYPASS THAT WAS PRESENTED, UM, BY THE, BY BY CITIZEN, RIGHT, UM, ACHIEVES AND, AND IS WORTHY OF CONSIDERATION.
THE, THE IDEA THAT WE, THAT A CONSULTANT WILL MODEL EVERY ALTERNATIVE THAT SOMEONE BRINGS UP IS NOT REALLY AN INDEPENDENT PART.
THE BYPASS WAS ANOTHER ONE THAT THEY'VE CONSIDERED, THEY'VE RECOMMENDED FOUR.
I'M TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE WORKING WITHIN THE SCOPE OF WORK THAT TOWN COUNCIL AND THE COMMITTEE APPROVED AND, UM, AND LET THEM DO THEIR WORK AND GIVE YOU THE, THE RESULTS BASED ON THEIR PROFESSIONAL OPINION.
SO THANK YOU FOR LETTING ME MAKE THOSE COMMENTS.
BUT I LOOK AT AN OVERPASS, AN ELEVATED OVERPASS, I SERIOUSLY DOUBT THAT THAT WILL BE, THAT, UH, RESIDENTS OF HILTON HEAD WOULD BUY THAT.
AND I THINK IT'S, UM, ME THAT'S DEAD IN THE WATER.
I MEAN, IT'S, UH, THAT'S NOT GONNA FLY AMONG THE RESIDENTS OF, OF HILTON HEAD.
UM, EVEN THOUGH IT MAY BE, MAY BE A GOOD SOLUTION, I THINK THAT A MORE PRACTICAL SOLUTION.
AND THE OTHER THING THAT WE NEED TO LOOK AT WITH THE, WITH THE, UH, OTHER BYPASS IDEA IS THAT IT SEEMS THAT THAT HAS LESS OF AN IMPACT ON THE TONY COMMUNITY THEN, UH, UH, THIS EXPLAIN, UH, BRIDGE AND SO ON THAT WE ARE TRYING TO DO RIGHT NOW.
SO I WOULD LIKE TO, UH, HAVE IT EVALUATED, HAVE IT MODELED, AND TAKE A LOOK AT IT.
AND IF IT REALLY DOESN'T FLY, THEN OKAY, LET'S, LET'S, UH, LET'S DROP IT.
BUT FOR ME, UM, IT SEEMS THAT LEAVING THE, THE 2 78 BUSINESS CORRIDOR BY 60 BY A GOOD PERCENTAGE OF THE TRAFFIC MAKES, MAKES A HELL OF A LOT OF SENSE.
SO, UH, AND OF COURSE, YOU, YOU DO HAVE TO HAVE, YOU, YOU'RE GOING THROUGH WETLANDS ANY WHICH WAY, UM, WITH THE WHOLE, WITH THE WHOLE PROJECT, AND THAT THE, THE FACTS THAT THIS ALTERNATIVE HAS ON THE WETLANDS IS REALLY QUITE MINIMAL.
AND SO I WOULD, I WOULD ASK YOU, I WOULD EVEN PUT A MOTION FORWARD IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO SECOND MY MOTION TO, TO, UH, UH, HAVE THIS AS A VIABLE ALTERNATIVE TO BE LOOKED AT INSTEAD OF AN ELEVATED BYPASS.
IF I COULD MAKE AN COUPLE MORE COMMENTS.
SO, YOU KNOW, IN LOOKING AT THE, THE, THE OTHER BYPASS, THE, THE ONE SOUTH OF THE CURRENT ALIGNMENT, UH, THIS IS ELEVATED, UM, THERE WOULD BE, UM, REQUIREMENTS TO ELEVATE THAT BYPASS THAT'S THAT BY MR. BEAR OVER S SQUARE POPE AND SPANISH WELLS.
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WHAT, YEAH, I WAS SAY, GONNA SAY THE TIE-INS.SO IF YOU WERE TO DRIVE OFF ISLAND ON THE BYPASS HEADING TO THE MAINLAND, AND YOU'RE SOUTH OF CURRENT WILLIAM HILTON PARKWAY, THERE'S GONNA BE ANOTHER FLYOVER TO TIE BACK IN, RIGHT? TO BLEND INTO THAT MAIN LINE.
SO YOU'RE LOOKING AT AT LEAST FOUR SEPARATE ELEVATED TREATMENTS, RIGHT? TO, UM, TO EXECUTE WHAT IS PROPOSED IN THAT BYPASS, THE, THE START POINT AND END POINT, RIGHT? UM, THAT DOESN'T ALLEVIATE WHERE YOU SAW THE BIGGEST RED IN THE AM PEAK, WHICH IS AT THE, THE BRIDGES, RIGHT? THE BLUFF AND FLYOVER MERGE WITH WILLIAM MILTON PARKWAY.
THAT'S WHERE THE GR GREATEST AM PEAK CONGESTION IS.
AND THE PM IT'S REALLY AROUND GUMTREE ROAD TO CROSS ISLAND.
THE BACKUP ON THE CROSS ISLAND IS EXACTLY WHAT IT SAYS THERE.
I WAS BACKED UP, UM, ALL THE WAY TO THE U-TURN OR FURTHER, UM, A COUPLE TIMES LAST WEEK.
SO THEY'RE VERY SIMILAR IN HOW THEY OPERATE.
AND, AND ONE IS NOT AS SIMPLE AS JUST HAVING A SECONDARY ROAD TO THE SOUTH WHERE THE TIE WHERE THE ROAD WAS BEING PROPOSED, IT'S EITHER GONNA IMPACT THE CRAZY CRAB IN THE STEWART PROPERTIES ON THE SOUTH.
AND IF IT'S NOT, IF IT, IF IT'S NOT PHYSICALLY IMPACTING IT, AND IT'S MOVED FURTHER INTO JARVIS CREEK, IT STILL HAS IMPACT.
NOW IT HAS A GREATER IMPACT ON THE WETLAND AND ENVIRONMENTAL, IT'S GONNA BE VISUAL IMPACTS TO ALONG THAT SIDE NOW FROM BOTH SIDES OF JARVIS CREEK.
SO I JUST WANT, IT'S NOT SEAN TO EVALUATE, I'M JUST LETTING YOU KNOW OUR CONSULTANTS HAVE LOOKED AT THAT AND THEY BELIEVE BASED ON ALL OF THE FACTORS THAT I THINK ARE BEING DISCUSSED, YEAH.
THAT TO ME, THIS, THIS ELEVATED TRACK IS DEAD IN THE WATER.
PEOPLE IN HILTON HEADS, TOURISTS, THEY ALL GONNA SAY, UGH, WHAT ARE WE HERE, YOU KNOW, UH, JACKSONVILLE WITH OVERPASSES UNDERPASS, I THINK IT'S JUST, IT DOESN'T WORK.
AND TO, TO HAVE THAT AS A FOURTH ALTERNATIVE JUST TO, TO, TO, UH, HAVE A FOURTH ALTERNATIVE, I THINK IS, IS NOT WORTH IT.
I'D MUCH RATHER SEE, AND IF IT SHOWS THAT IT REALLY FAILS, OKAY, FINE.
BUT IT'S, UH, NOT LEAVING ANY STONE UNTURNED.
I THINK WE SHOULD, THE ISSUE WITH NOT LEAVING ANY STONE UNTURNED IS THE, IF I COULD MAKE A COMMENT HERE ON THE, THE BYPASSES, JUST REAL QUICK, AS FAR AS THE VIABILITY OF THE SEPARATE BYPASS TO THE SOUTH, UH, ONE, WE, WE DID KIND OF GIVE IT A CURSORY LOOK WHEN THOSE ALIGNMENTS CAME THROUGH.
AND OUR, WE HAD A FEW CONCERNS.
ONE IS, YOU'RE STILL GONNA NEED AN AT GRADE INTERSECTION TO THE WEST AT THE SPLIT, WHICH IS GONNA BE A PROBLEM AS FAR AS THROUGHPUT OF TRAFFIC.
YOU'RE ALSO, IF YOU'RE AT GRADE TO THE SOUTH, YOU'RE STILL GOING TO NEED TO PROVIDE LOCAL ACCESS TO THOSE PROPERTIES DOWN THERE.
SO AT THAT POINT, YOU'RE CREATING SOME SORT OF ACCESS FOR LOCALS.
THEY'RE EITHER GOING TO NEED TO BE SIGNALED OR YOU'RE GONNA HAVE THIS MASSIVE THROUGH TRAFFIC COMING THROUGH WITH NO, WITH JUST SIDE STREET STOP CONTROL AND VERY DIFFICULT, UH, IT'LL BE DI VERY DIFFICULT FOR ANYBODY TO GET OUT ONTO THE ROADWAY THERE.
AND THEN YOU, YOU WOULD ALSO WOULD REQUIRE A, AN OVERPASS AT THE VERY LEAST, AT, UH, AT SPANISH WELLS.
AND THEN OF COURSE GOING, UH, OVER THE, UH, THE WETLAND AREA.
AND IT, IT, SO, I MEAN, IT, IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT THAT IT CAN'T BE DONE, BUT THE OVERALL IMPACTS OF IT, IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT CAN BE DONE IN THE SHORT TERM ON NEW ALIGNMENT.
YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO GO THROUGH ALL THE ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEWS.
I MEAN, YOU'RE PROBABLY TALKING AT LEAST 10 YEARS BEFORE ANYTHING COULD GET BUILT AS FAR AS A BYPASS.
AFTER YOU GET THROUGH ALL THAT, THAT'S RIDICULOUS.
SO LET, LET'S, YOU KNOW, BRING IT BACK.
AND, AND I, I APPRECIATE THE INPUTS, YOU KNOW, AS TO WHAT OPTIONS TO LOOK AT.
AND WE COULD COME UP WITH A, A TREMENDOUS NUMBER OF VARIATIONS THAT COULD BE, COULD BE DONE.
UM, BUT DO THEY MAKE THE MOST SENSE FOR OUR COMMUNITY AND IS IT WITHIN THE SCOPE OF WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO WITH THE BUDGET THAT WE HAVE? UM, SO I, YOU KNOW, MR. BARRY, I APPRECIATE YOUR, YOUR DIFFERENT VARIATIONS THAT YOU'VE PROVIDED UM, OVER THE PAST.
OVER THE PAST, BUT WE'RE HERE TO RELY ON THE EXPERTS TO PROVIDE US WITH THE DIRECTIVE AS TO WHAT THEY SEE IS FEASIBLE IN THE BEST INTEREST IN COMMUNITY.
I THINK THEY NEED TO EVALUATE BOTH.
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STONY THE OTHER REQUIRES MOVING SOME PICKLEBALL.WE, WE'LL, WE'LL COME BACK TO WETLAND A PUBLIC COMMENT HERE IN A LITTLE BIT.
UM, UH, MAY I ASK KATE OR NATE, OF THE FOUR ALTERNATIVES YOU'VE PRESENTED HERE TODAY, UM, HAVE ANY OF 'EM, HAVE YOU PUT A NUMBER ON ANY OF THEM? MAYBE AN ENGINEER MIGHT KNOW THAT FROM A, FROM AN OVERALL COSTING STANDPOINT.
THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'RE, SORRY, I THINK I WAS, WE'RE WORKING THROUGH AT THIS MOMENT, WE'RE GONNA HAVE FOR YOU AT THE APRIL 10TH MEETING.
ARE YOU GONNA WORK ON THAT? OKAY.
YEAH, I THINK I JUST HAVE ONE MORE SLIDE THAT I WANNA GET THROUGH, THROUGH, AND THEN WE WERE GONNA END AND OPEN UP FOR QUESTIONS AND I THINK THAT MIGHT BE A, A GOOD PLACE TO CONTINUE THE CONVERSATION AND ANSWER THIS QUESTION A LITTLE BIT.
SO GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, NATE.
UM, AT OUR APRIL, LET ME GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE.
AT OUR APRIL 10TH MEETING, WE PLAN TO BRING BACK A COMPARISON MATRIX OF ALL OF THESE ALTERNATIVES WITH A, A HIGH LEVEL ASSESSMENT OF A NUMBER OF THESE OTHER FACTORS THAT ALIGN WITH THE TOWN GOALS, INCLUDING RIGHT AWAY ENVIRONMENTAL COST IS GOING TO BE ONE OF THEM AS FAR AS LIKE RELATIVE COST OF THEM AGAINST ONE ANOTHER.
WHAT IS GONNA BE THE LEAST EXPENSIVE TO THE MOST EXPENSIVE TO BUILD.
WE'RE GONNA TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION AESTHETIC COMMUNITY AND SOCIAL IMPACT.
WE'RE GOING TO ASSESS EACH OF THESE FOR BICYCLE AND PEDESTRIAN IMPACT.
AND WE'RE GO, WE'RE PLANNING ON RANKING THEM IN ONE THROUGH FOUR, AS IN LIKE SOMETHING THAT WAS DEEMED NUMBER ONE IN A CERTAIN CATEGORY WE FEEL PROVIDES THE BEST VALUE IN THAT SPECIFIC CATEGORY AS COMPARED TO THE OTHER FOUR.
AND IF THERE ARE ANY THAT WE FEEL REALLY ARE ABOUT EQUAL TO ONE ANOTHER, WE WOULD, WE WOULD TIE THOSE, UM, YOU KNOW, SO WE, SOMETHING COULD BE RATED, YOU KNOW, TWO COULD BE RATED ONE, BUT THEN THE NEXT ONE WOULD BE RATED THREE, SO TO SPEAK.
UM, AND SO WE'VE GIVEN YOU AN EXAMPLE OF A BLANK MATRIX HERE THAT YOU CAN EXPECT TO SEE AT THE APRIL MEETING.
WE'VE PUT A FEW ILLUSTRATIVE NUMBERS IN THERE THAT DON'T REALLY MEAN ANYTHING JUST TO SHOW YOU, YOU KNOW, HOW WE PLAN TO FILL IT OUT.
UM, BUT WE BELIEVE THAT THIS DECISION CANNOT BE MADE IN A VACUUM AND IT ALSO CANNOT BE MADE SOLELY LOOKING AT TRAFFIC OPERATIONS AND THROUGHPUT OR TRAFFIC SIMULATIONS.
THERE ARE A NUMBER OF OTHER VERY, VERY IMPORTANT CONSIDERATIONS TO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT.
AND SO WE ARE GOING TO, AS NATE NOTED AT THE BEGINNING OF THE MEETING, HAVE OUR ENVIRONMENTAL TEAM FINISH THEIR WORK TO GIVE US AN OPINION OF THE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT.
WE WILL HAVE A FINALIZED ASSESSMENT OF THE RIGHT OF WAY IMPACTS OF EACH OF THESE COST WILL BE INCLUDED.
UM, YOU KNOW, ALL OF THESE OTHER FACTORS WILL BE, UH, YOU KNOW, KIND OF SUMMARIZED AND WE CAN DISCUSS EACH OF THESE AT THE APRIL 10TH MEETING.
SO WE THREW A LOT OF INFORMATION AT YOU TODAY.
A LOT OF IT WAS TRAFFIC RELATED.
UM, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE COME BACK AT APRIL 10TH, NONE OF THE TRAFFIC INFORMATION WILL HAVE CHANGED, BUT NOW WE JUST WILL HAVE SOME OF THESE ADDITIONAL CONTEXT TO CONSIDER EACH OF THESE ALTERNATIVES.
AND WHEN WE THINK ABOUT, UM, YOU KNOW, ONE THAT MAY, MAY BE MORE PREFERRED OVER ANOTHER.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR FURTHER CONVERSATION, UM, YOU KNOW, WE CERTAINLY WELCOME THE INPUT.
I WOULD JUST SAY THIS, THAT SOME OF THESE THINGS YOU HAVE HERE ARE ACTUALLY SOMEWHAT SUBJECTIVE, CORRECT? IN TERMS OF THE PROS, IN TERMS OF THE PROS AND CONS.
LIKE WHAT, IN, IN TERMS OF PUTTING ONE TO ONE TO FOUR ON 'EM OR WHATEVER.
I MEAN MAYBE THESE, MAYBE THE AESTHETIC ONE.
YES, BUT WE WILL HAVE DATA TO BACK UP THE RIGHT OF WAY, THE ENVIRONMENT, THE SAFETY, THE BIKE PED AND THE COST.
UH, BUT AGAIN, THE COST IS NOT SO, SO MUCH SUBJECTIVE, I GUESS.
BUT SOME OF THE OTHER THINGS, AESTHETIC OF, OF A PARTICULAR ITEM IS ALL YEAH.
IS, IS, UH, LIKE I SAID, THE AESTHETICS OF, FOR EXAMPLE, THAT ONE COLUMN, ISN'T THAT BASICALLY IN THE EYE OF THE, THE HOLDER? SURE, IT CERTAINLY IS.
UM, YOU KNOW, AND WE WOULD TAKE OUR CUES FROM PRIOR TOWN STATED DESIRES AND PUBLIC COMMENT AND DOCUMENTS TO FILL TO FILL OUT ONE.
WELL, LOCK, LOCK MUELLER THEN WILL BE DOING THIS, UH, EVALUATION.
THESE EVALUATIONS, I TAKE IT, YES, WE'LL FILL OUT A DRAFT MATRIX, BUT WE ALSO WILL VALUE AND CONSIDER INPUT FROM THE TOWN AND COMMUNITY WHERE APPROPRIATE.
AND I THINK THE AESTHETIC, UM, COLUMN IS CERTAINLY ONE OF THOSE AREAS WHERE, AS YOU NOTE, THERE IS SOME FLEXIBILITY IN HOW IT IS SCORED.
UM, BUT SOME OF THE OTHER, MOST OF THE OTHER COLUMNS WILL BE BACKED BY QUALITATIVE DATA.
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OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? UM, I HAVE A BUNCH OF QUESTIONS.UH, UH, PRODUCTIVE MANNER, UM, BECAUSE I THINK THAT, UM, I WILL EMAIL THESE THINGS TO, TO GAIN SHOWN AS WELL, UM, FOR CONSIDERATION IN THE, IN THE MODELING.
'CAUSE ULTIMATELY, UH, YOU WANT TO BE ABLE TO COMPARE, UH, THE VARIOUS ALTERNATIVES, SO DOES THE GENERAL PUBLIC AND JUST FOR A BETTER UNDERSTANDING AND, AND REALLY FOR CREATING, UH, THE BEST POSSIBLE OUTCOME, UM, FOR THIS PROJECT.
SO, UM, WHEN WE STARTED THIS WHOLE PROCESS, UH, WE WERE QUITE KEEN TO HAVE AN INDEPENDENCY AND TO HAVE NEW IDEAS FROM FROM M AND THERE ARE A FEW NEW IDEAS THAT HAVE COME ABOUT, UH, THE, THE, UH, UH, WHAT DO YOU CALL IT? THE, THE TRAFFIC CIRCLE TO AVOID LEFT HAND TURNS, UM, AND SOME OF THE OVERPASS IDEAS.
UM, AND I THINK IT, IT HAS TAKEN A LOT OF TIME AND WORK OF LAMU AND I, YOU KNOW, CREDIT TO YOU GUYS FOR PUTTING ALL THAT IN AND THE HOURS SPENT ALSO BY THE TOWN.
UM, AND I THINK THAT'S A FANTASTIC, UH, THING THAT YOU HAVE DONE.
BUT, SO HAVING SAID THAT, UM, THERE ARE A BUNCH OF THINGS, UM, THAT I THINK NEED TO BE MORE, UH, GRANULAR ON.
UM, AND I'LL JUST GO THROUGH A LIST AND I WILL SUMMARIZE IT AND DISTRIBUTE IT LATER ON.
SO, UM, I THINK IT'D BE VERY GOOD TO, UH, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT SAFETY AND IMPACT TO, UH, UH, QUANTIFY, UH, WHAT THE IMPACT ON THE VARIOUS MODEL IS ON THE, UH, PONY COMMUNITY AND THE COMMUNITY IN GENERAL.
UM, AND MAYBE WE, WE CAN BE MORE GRANULAR ON THAT.
UM, ULTIMATELY, UH, IT WOULD ALSO BE HELPFUL TO SEE SIMULATION MODELS IN ACTION.
UM, NOT THE VISUAL, UM, VIDEO THAT WE GET, BUT TO REALLY SEE A TOP DOWN OF THE ENTIRE AREA AND SEE HOW IT, HOW CERTAIN VARIABLES, UH, WILL AFFECT THE TRAFFIC FLOW.
BECAUSE YOU CAN'T SEE THAT REALLY ON THE MODELS THAT YOU'VE PRESENTED TODAY.
SO, UM, ONE OF THE, UH, ELEMENTS IS FOR INSTANCE, CREATE, UH, GO AWAY WITH THE MERGE COMING FROM THE CROSS ISLAND PARKWAY, UH, GOING WEST ONTO THE 2 78, UH, AND HAVE THAT CONTINUE AS A TWO LANE RATHER THAN A ONE LANE, BECAUSE YOU ALWAYS SEE THE CONGESTIONS, UH, TAKING PLACE AT THE, AT THAT, AT THAT CRUCIAL POINT.
AND ULTIMATELY YOU GET FIVE LANES THAT YOU DON'T HAVE TO FIND A MERGE FOR, UH, HEAD OFF THE ISLAND.
SO I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S ONE SIMULATION ITEM THAT I WOULD BE, UH, HAPPY, UH, IF YOU COULD PUT THAT IN AT SOME POINT.
UM, THEN I ALSO THINK, UH, TO ADD A TIME FACTOR INTO YOUR, UH, INTO THE MODEL.
SO FOR INSTANCE, UH, WE ALL, THE CRITICAL THING IS THE RUSH HOUR.
SO WHAT HAPPENS IF YOU PUT A TIME LIMITATION ON THE WINDMILL HARBOR LIGHTS, UH, BETWEEN THE VERY PEAK OF THE TRAFFIC HARBOR, UM, OR FIND ANOTHER SOLUTION FOR THE WINDMILL HARBOR.
'CAUSE YOU CAN, IN EFFECT, DO A LOOP UNDER THE BRIDGE WITH A CIRCLE BACK ONTO THE WESTBOUND 2 78.
THAT'S A POSSIBILITY TO DO THAT.
SO CAN WE ADD THAT AS ANOTHER THING IN, IN THE, IN THAT BUCKETS? UM, THEN, UM, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT, UH, AN 11 LANE BRIDGE, EVERYBODY SORT OF, UM, GOES CRAZY.
AND I, I WONDER IF WE CAN HAVE AN OPINION ON WHETHER WE NEED TWO BREAKDOWN LANES.
I THINK THAT WE SEE FROM THE DATA THAT WE NEED THREE LANES, BUT TO HAVE TWO BREAKDOWN LANES SEEMS EXCESSIVE.
UM, CAN WE HAVE ONE BREAKDOWN LANE THAT CAN BE CONVERTED, UM, TO A PER PEAK HOURS TO A REGULAR LANE? SO YOU ACTUALLY HAVE A, EVEN A WIDER BRIDGE THAT CAN BE USED COMING ONTO THE ISLAND AND, AND OUT OF THE ISLAND AS WELL.
AND THAT CAN BE MAYBE, MAYBE ACCOMPLISHED ALSO BY HAVING, UM, YOU KNOW, THE INDICATORS ON THE ROAD AT THE, THE, THE RED AXI AND THE GREEN AXIS TO SHOW WHICH LANES CAN BE USED.
UM, UM, THE OTHER THING IS THAT I THINK WE DON'T LIKE BIKERS AND WE LIKE TO CREATE BIKE PATHS ON HILTON
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HEAD ISLANDS, BUT I THINK IT'S WORTHWHILE, UH, THE COST BENEFIT ANALYSIS OF CREATING A BIKE LANE ACROSS THE BRIDGE.I MEAN, I UNDERSTAND THAT PEOPLE WANT TO BE ABLE TO BIKE ALL THE WAY TO BLUFFTON, BUT UM, IS IT REALLY, AND THESE ARE HARD CHOICES TO MAKE, IS IT REALLY WORTHWHILE, UM, CONVENIENCING TWO BIKERS FOR ANOTHER LANE ON THE BRIDGE? OR IS IT A SOLUTION TO POSSIBLY CONVERT THAT BIKE LANE INTO SOMETHING ELSE IF WE NEED TO? AND SO IF THE BIKE LANE DOESN'T WORK, AND IF WE DO WANT IT AND NOBODY USES IT, MAYBE AS WE CAN, UH, THEN WHAT WE HAVEN'T HIT UPON IS PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION.
UM, AND THAT IS AN IMPORTANT ELEMENT THAT ALSO AFFECTS THE TRAFFIC DATA, AND I THINK IT'D BE VERY USEFUL.
UH, PROBABLY PART OF A BIGGER PLAN BECAUSE IF YOU DO PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION, IT'S ALSO GONNA WORK.
YOU'RE GONNA HAVE THE WHOLE INFRASTRUCTURE ON HILTON NET ISLAND.
UM, BUT, UH, TAKE CARS OFF THE ROAD, UH, WANNA TALK ABOUT PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION FOR SERVICE PERSONNEL AND PEOPLE THAT DON'T NEED TO HAVE A VAN WITH THEIR TOOLS OR, OR MATERIAL, UM, WOULD BE A USEFUL, UH, UH, ELEMENT TO ADD TO THAT EQUATION AND INTO YOUR SIMULATION MODELING.
UM, THEN I THINK, UM, I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO, UH, SEE WHAT
HAVE WE REALLY SCRAPED THE BOTTOM OF THE BARREL ON THAT? RIGHT NOW WE HAVE, IT'S LEAVE IT UP IN CLUSTERS.
SO YOU HAVE THE, THE CLUSTERS OF THE LAST THREE LIGHTS ON THE ISLAND, AND THEN THERE'S THE CLUSTER AROUND, UH, HILTON PLANTATION GOING UP TO WILBORN.
BUT THE BEAUTY OF THAT SYSTEM IS THAT IT IS, THERE ARE MORE POSSIBILITIES WITH AN ADAPTIVE MANAGEMENT TRAFFIC SYSTEM.
YOU CAN ACTUALLY LOOK AT TRAFFIC DENSITY AND REGULATOR TRAFFIC, AND YOU COULD ALSO TIE IN THESE TWO CLUSTERS TOGETHER OVER, UH, NOT, NOT FOR THE ENTIRE DAY, BUT DURING YOUR PEAK HOURS.
SO, UM, AND THEN THE OTHER THING THAT WE HAVE IS THAT THE BEAUTY OF THE ADAPTIVE TRAFFIC SYSTEM IS THAT IT PRODUCES HUGE AMOUNT OF DATA.
UH, YOU CAN PINPOINT WHERE, UH, THE, THE HIGHEST PROBABILITIES OF ACCIDENTS HAPPENING ON THE, ON THE ROAD, UM, BY USING THAT DATA, UH, UH, APPROPRIATELY.
NOW THEN THE QUESTION IS, DO WE HAVE THE CAPABILITY IN HOUSE TO, TO MANAGE THAT? OR DO, DO WE NEED TO, UM, HAVE OUR, OUR TRAFFIC ENGINEERS IN THE TOWN, JIM AND, AND, AND PERL, UM, THE, THE, UH, ELEVATED TO, TO, TO ACTUALLY DEAL WITH THESE, THESE TECHNICAL AND, AND SOFTWARE ISSUES.
UH, IT'S IMPORTANT TO LOWER YOUR ACCIDENTS.
UH, IT'S IMPORTANT FOR, FOR REDUCING THE NUMBER OF ACCIDENTS.
THE OTHER SAFETY ASPECT THAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE, UM, AND YOUR OPINION WILL BE APPRECIATED IS MANY PLACES OR HIGHWAYS HAVE CHEVRONS PAINTED ON THE ROAD.
80% OF ACCIDENTS, ACCORDING TO SHERIFF TENNER HAPPENED BECAUSE PEOPLE DRIVE TOO CLOSE TO EACH OTHER.
IF YOU PUT CHEVRONS ON THE ROAD THAT SHOW TWO CHEVRONS BETWEEN EACH CAR, IT'LL REDUCE THE NUMBER OF TRAFFIC ACCIDENTS.
UM, NOT EVERYBODY WILL ADHERE TO IT, BUT, UH, DEFINITELY HELP.
AND THEN I, MAYBE THESE ARE THINGS THAT, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT A TRAFFIC GUY, BUT MAYBE THERE ARE OTHER WAYS THAT WE CAN, UM, UH, MAKE PEOPLE DRIVE SLOWER ON THE BRIDGE.
UM, MAYBE IT MEANS HAVING, UM, UH, POLICE ACTIVITY STATIONED ON THE BRIDGE OR AT RUSH HOURS.
MAYBE IT MEANS HAVING A TOW TRUCK.
UH, I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU SEE OVERALL IN, IN TRAFFIC WORLD, WHAT PEOPLE DO, BUT I THINK SUGGESTIONS FROM YOUR SIDE WOULD BE QUITE HELPFUL.
UM, OH, HAVE TO, AM I, I'LL SEE WHAT I HAVE MISSED.
I'VE BEEN SAYING OVER THE PAST FEW MEETINGS THAT WE'VE HAD, I'D LIKE TO SEE THE BRIDGES WIDENED, THE EXISTING BRIDGES WIDENED AND NOT CONSIDER AN ALTERNATE BRIDGE.
UM, SEAN, YOU'VE SAID THAT SORT OF DETERMINED
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THAT THE, UH, THE EXISTING BRIDGES DON'T HAVE, DON'T MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF SEISMIC AND BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, AND THAT THE COST OF THE NEW BRIDGES IS ONLY A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN THE COST OF REHABILITATING AND, AND WIDENING THE EXISTING ONES.UM, I DON'T SEE IT THAT WAY, AND I THINK I'D LIKE TO SEE LOCK MILLER CONSIDER THAT IF YOU, UNLESS YOU ALREADY HAVE, HAVE YOU LOOKED INTO THE EXISTING BRIDGES AND WHETHER OR NOT THEY'RE, IF THEY'RE, THEY'RE CAPABLE OF BEING WIDENED OR FOR MANY REASONS, AND I, I TEND TO THINK THAT THIS SEISMIC IDEA IS, IS JUST A WAY OF, UH, YOU KNOW, ELIMINATING THAT POSSIBILITY.
I JUST, YOU KNOW, I, I JUST CAN'T BELIEVE THAT THAT'S THE ANSWER.
AND I, IN OTHER WORDS, NOT THAT I DON'T TRUST THE COUNTY, BUT, UM, I JUST DON'T BELIEVE IT
SO THE CORRIDOR ANALYSIS THAT, THAT KATE'S, WE'VE WENT THROUGH IT, THAT IS TRULY INDEPENDENT, LIKE FROM, YES, WE HAVE LOOKED AT OTHER PIECES OF INFORMATION, BUT IT'S OUR NUMBERS, OUR DATA, EVERYTHING ELSE FROM START TO FINISH.
HOWEVER, THAT WAS ONE ITEM THAT SEAN HAD ASKED THAT WE LOOK AT AND PROVIDE OUR PROFESSIONAL OPINION ON BASED ON WHAT HAS BEEN COMPLETED TO DATE, THAT WE WOULD NOT GO BACK AND DO ANY RE BRIDGE REDESIGNS OR QUESTION THE DOTS STUDIES WITH THAT JUST PROVIDE OUR PROFESSIONAL OPINION.
SO WE STARTED, I STARTED LOOKING INTO THAT AND LOOKED AT WHAT, UM, PREVIOUS CONSULTANT HAD PRESENTED TO THE COUNTY, OR I'M SORRY, TO THE TOWN AS A TOWN PREFERRED OPTION.
AND WITH THAT OPTION THAT SHOWED, UM, IF IT WOULD WORK FROM A TRAFFIC OPERATION STANDPOINT, BUILDING JUST TWO EASTBOUND BRIDGES AND THEN REHABILITATING THE WESTBOUND BRIDGES.
AND FOR US, PART OF THE DELAY IN NOT PROVIDING THAT DELIVERABLES IS BECAUSE I FEEL WE NEEDED TO BE 100% SURE WHAT OUR GROWTH RATE AND WHAT THE 2045 VOLUMES NEEDED TO BE TO BE ABLE TO SPEAK TO IF A TWO LANE EASTBOUND BRIDGE WOULD WORK.
AND NOW WE KNOW FOR SURE THAT IT WILL NOT.
WITH THAT STUDY, THEY MENTIONED THAT, UM, SOME OF THE CONCERNS WERE, UH, IN ADDITION TO CAPACITY THAT IF THE, THE WEST, THE WESTBOUND BRIDGES OVER SKULL CREEK AND THEN THE MACKEY AS WELL, THAT THEY COULD NOT MEET SEISMIC STANDARDS.
SO ONE OF THE, THE FEE CHECK INTO THAT THOUGH, DID YOU ACTUALLY, THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S ONE OF, WE'VE REQUESTED TO GET A COPY OF THE SEISMIC STUDY FROM THE DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION.
THE COUNTY DIDN'T HAVE A READILY AVAILABLE, UM, COPY OF THAT.
HOWEVER, WHAT I DID ASK THEM WAS WHEN THAT STATEMENT IS MADE THAT, UM, THE COUNTY REPRESENTATIVE LET US KNOW THAT THEY SAID THAT NOTHING COULD BE DONE TO RETROFIT IT, TO MEET CURRENT SEISMIC STANDARDS.
SO WHEN I CALLED TO ASK THE DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION TO MAKE SURE THAT IT IS JUST A STANDARD FO YOU PROCESS TO GET THAT SPECIFIC STUDY, HE LET ME KNOW THAT IT, IT WAS, HE HAS SHARED THAT THAT STATEMENT IS USUALLY FOR ONE OF TWO THINGS.
ONE, STRUCTURALLY OR PHYSICALLY, IT JUST CANNOT BE DONE TO MEET CURRENT STANDARDS.
YOU KNOW, STANDARDS CHANGE OVER TIME, UM, AND NOTHING CAN BE DONE, OR IT'S A FACTOR OF THE COST TO DO THAT EXCEEDS WHAT IT WOULD BE TO BUILD NEW.
SO IT'S ONE OF THOSE TWO THINGS.
SO WHEN WE GET THE SEISMIC STUDY, WE'LL SEE, BUT WHEN WE LOOK AT THE, UH, CROSS SECTION OR THE OPTION THAT, THAT SEAN PRESENTED TO US TO TAKE A LOOK AT AND PROVIDE OUR PROFESSIONAL OPINION, IF IT'S JUST TWO LANES, WE KNOW THAT THAT'S NOT GONNA WORK.
AND IF IT COMES BACK THAT, THAT IT CANNOT BE DONE EITHER PHYSICALLY OR STRUCTURALLY, OR IT COSTS MORE THAN TO BUILD NEW, THEN IT SEEMS THAT IT MAY BE UNFEASIBLE.
SO YOU ARE DOING THAT ANALYSIS CORRECT.
WHAT, WHAT'S GOING TO BE A DELIVERABLE IS A, A PROFESSIONAL OPINION COMMENTARY, NOT A REDESIGN.
IT'S JUST GONNA BE THE LEVEL OF WHAT I JUST SHARED, JUST WITH SOME BACKUP DATA THAT WE'VE RECEIVED FROM A PREVIOUS SEISMIC STUDY.
I, A DESIGN, DESIGN OR THE, OR TO SPEAK TO, UM, THE SEISMIC STUDY THAT THEY DID AND QUESTION THAT.
SO, YOU KNOW, JUST LIKE WE QUESTIONED THE GROWTH RATE, WE DOVE INTO THAT, RIGHT? SEAN DIDN'T FEEL IT WAS NECESSARY FOR US TO GO INTO THAT LEVEL, BUT WE HAVE, YES, WE'VE, THAT'S PART OF, UH, TASK 1.8.
THAT WAS A DELIVERABLE THAT I'VE DESCRIBED THAT WE'LL BE PROVIDING.
I'VE GOT TWO MORE THINGS AND THEN I'M OUTTA YOUR HERE
UM, SO ONE IS THAT I PUT A LOT OF VALUE INTO LOOKING AT A SYNCHRO MODELING.
AND TO DO THAT IN A MEETING LIKE THIS IS QUITE DIFFICULT.
AND ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU WANT TO PLAY AROUND WITH VARIOUS THOUGHTS, OVERPASS, UNDERPASS, UH, LIGHTS HERE, LIGHTS, LIGHTS OFF.
AND I THINK WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO PROPOSE IS THAT WE HAVE, UH,
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SOME POINT IN TIME A MEETING, UH, WITH THE, UH, GUYS THAT ARE DOING THE MODELING, UH, TO BE ABLE TO LOOK AT ALL THESE DIFFERENT, UH, ELEMENTS THAT WE CAN THROW INTO IT.UM, I'D LIKE TO HAVE THAT, UH, BE CONSIDERED, WHAT WOULD THAT DO TO THE, THE COST RIGHT BETWEEN THE TOWN AND MUELLER? HEY, UH, KATE, IF YOU COULD, UM, SPEAK TO, I KNOW THIS IS, UM, SPEAKING WITH DIETRICH, HE HAS A DESIRE TO SEE THE SIMULATIONS IN PERSON.
I KNOW THAT YOU SHARED IN THE PAST THAT FROM A VIRTUAL STANDPOINT, UH, SHOWING IT ON THE SCREEN, HAVING THE SIMULATION MODELS RUNNING GREAT LAG TO OCCUR.
UM, IT'S FAIR TO SAY THAT THERE WOULD BE A PRETTY, PRETTY SIGNIFICANT LAG IN DOING THAT VIRTUALLY ALSO, WHILE IT MAY BE, YOU KNOW, ONE OR TWO CLICKS, SO TO SPEAK, TO GET, UH, VARIOUS ALTERNATIVE, UM, YOU KNOW, CHANGED IN SYNCHRO, THERE'S ALSO LIKE A LOT OF CHECKING AND QUALITY CONTROL AND MOVING AROUND TO VARIOUS THINGS THAT WOULD NEED TO BE DONE, UM, DURING A LIVE SESSION SUCH AS THAT.
UM, I MEAN, JUST TO GIVE YOU ALL AN IDEA ABOUT HOW OUR TEAM WORKS, UM, YOU KNOW, WHEN I MEET INTERNALLY WITH MY TEAM, WE TALK ABOUT ALL THESE DIFFERENT IDEAS THAT WE WANNA DO, AND THEN THEY HAVE A TASK LIST TO GO UPDATE THE MODELS TO DO ACCORDINGLY.
AND THEN WE DON'T MEET AGAIN FOR LIKE TWO DAYS, BECAUSE SOMETIMES THAT'S HOW LONG IT TAKES TO WORK THROUGH AND GET A MODEL WORKING CORRECTLY, AND MAKE SURE THAT THE SITUATION AND PARAMETERS THAT WE HAD CHECKED FOR THE PRIOR SITUATION STILL APPLY FOR THIS SITUATION.
AND SO I CAN CERTAINLY APPRECIATE THE IDEA IN WANTING TO DO THAT.
BUT AS FAR AS THE PRACTICALITY OF THAT, I'M, I'M JUST AFRAID IT WOULD BE A LOT OF, UM, LIKE DEAD AIR DEADER SPACE OF EVERYBODY, UM, JUST KIND OF, OH, MY SEAN, WHAT, WHAT, UM, IS THAT OVERREACHING? WELL, I, I MENTIONED BEFORE AND I, AND THE CONSULTATION WITH NATE AND THEIR TEAM THAT I THINK WE'RE OVERSIMPLIFYING THE, UM, UTILITY OF THE MODEL TO THINK IT'S JUST A QUICK TOGGLE ON AND OFF.
AND IF YOU TOGGLE OFF SOMETHING THAT YOU'RE GONNA IMMEDIATELY SET, SEE THE IMPACTS OF BENEFIT OR, OR, OR JUST IMPACTS I GUESS, OF THAT, UM, NOT EVERY OPTION IS BUILT INTO THE MODEL, UM, TO EVEN BE ABLE TO TOGGLE ON AND OFF.
AND THAT'S WHY THIS HAS BEEN AN ITERATIVE PROCESS TO IDENTIFY ALTERNATIVES FOR ALIGNMENT, LOOKING AT ALL 1920 PLUS, AND THEY'RE OUT THERE, AND THEN AS THEY WENT, UH, BUILT THE SYNCHRO MODEL, AND NOW IN THE MORE DETAILED VIS SIM MODEL, THEY WILL GET INTO EVALUATION OF INTERSECTION OPTIONS WITH THAT VARIABILITY THAT THEY, THAT THEY WILL ASSESS.
SO, I, I DON'T, I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THE COMMITTEE UNDERSTANDS THAT IT'S NOT JUST GET IN A ROOM AND, AND, AND YOU ADD OR SUBTRACT ONE ELEMENT OR, OR COMPONENT OR DIFFERENT GEOMETRY, AND THEN IT HAPPENS, UM, IMMEDIATELY.
AND LET ME KNOW IF I'M SPEAKING ON A TURN, BUT, UM, I'M TRYING TO PARAPHRASE PREVIOUS CONVERSATIONS THAT THAT CAPABILITY AND EFFECTIVENESS JUST, ISN'T THERE REAL TIME TO DO THAT AT THAT PACE, SEAN? OKAY.
ALTERNATIVELY, I CAN PRESENT YOU WITH ALL THE, ALL THE THOUGHTS I HAVE.
YOU MAY HAVE OTHER IDEAS AND YOU CAN PLAY AROUND WITH IT, UM, UH, WITHOUT ANYBODY, ANY OF THE GENERAL PUBLIC AND COME BACK TO US WITH, UH, WHAT YOUR RESULTS HAVE BEEN.
BUT I THINK, YOU KNOW, I THINK WE HAVE TO, UH, UH, HAVE THE, THE, THE, THE, THE ATTITUDE, FOR LACK OF A BETTER WORD, TO REALLY, UM, SEE THAT STUFF.
AND WHAT I HAVE SEEN, AND I'VE REALLY LOOKED AT QUITE A FEW, UH, TRAFFIC MODELS AND ALTERATIONS THAT YOU MAKE ARE NOT THAT COMPLICATED WHEN IF YOU JUST TAKE ONE STATIC OR IF YOU TAKE ONE, YOU DON'T HAVE TO TAKE EVERY ALTERNATIVE, BUT TAKE, TAKE A ALTERNATIVE THAT YOU LIKE AND PUT THESE THINGS IN.
I'M TELLING YOU IT'S NOT AS COMPLICATED.
I'M GONNA RELY ON IF THIS TEAM TO ANSWER THAT.
I'LL START KAYTON IF YOU WANT TO, UH, CHIME IN IF ANYTHING THAT I MISSED.
BUT FROM AN INTERSECTION STANDPOINT, IF IT IS JUST, IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH SYNCHRO, SOUNDS LIKE YOU ARE, YOU CAN TOGGLE AND LIKE CHANGE A LANE, RIGHT? AND IT AUTOMATICALLY, ON YOUR VISUAL, IT SHOWS AN ADDED LANE.
HOWEVER, WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, UM,
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COMPLICATED, YOU KNOW, DIFFERENT CORRIDOR ALIGNMENTS, I MEAN, FOR EXAMPLE, UM, ONE OF THE REASONS FOR THE, UM, THE ELEVATED BYPASS, WHY YOU WOULDN'T WANT TO SHOW A SIM TRAFFIC VERSION OF THAT, BECAUSE THERE'S LIMITATIONS IN, IT'S LIKE VISUALLY LIKE IT, IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE IT IN THE CENTER, BUT IN ORDER FOR SYNCHRO TO PRODUCE RESULTS THAT ARE ACCURATE, IT LOOKS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT.BUT WHEN YOU'RE GOING ON AN INTERSECTION BASIS, YES, YOU CAN ADD A TURN LANE, BUT THEN WHENEVER YOU START CARRYING IT THROUGH, THEN TO KATE'S POINT, IT TAKES A WHILE TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYTHING ELSE DOWNSTREAM TIES IN APPROPRIATELY.
AND THEN LOOKING AT THE VARIOUS, UM, INPUTS.
AND THEN WHEN YOU GET INTO SOME TRAFFIC, THERE ARE ALSO CALIBRATIONS WITH THAT AS WELL.
SO IT IS A LOT LONGER THAN, I'LL LEAVE IT WITH YOU.
I MEAN, I'LL, I'LL MAKE MY LIST OF THINGS IF YOU CAN ADD OTHER THINGS, PLAY WITH IT, AND, AND, UH, SHOW IT NEXT TIME, UM, AT THE NEXT MEETING, THAT'D BE BE GREAT.
AND I THINK ALSO FOR, IN GENERAL, FOR PEOPLE'S UNDERSTANDING, UM, WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU DO CERTAIN THINGS VERY USEFUL.
AND, YOU KNOW, AT THE END OF THE DAY, IT'LL ALL MAKE US, UH, UH, SUPPORT WHATEVER WE COME UP WITH.
AND IT'S A GOOD THING I'M NOT HERE ON APRIL 10.
SO THAT'S MY LAST, MY LAST POINT.
UH, HELEN, I CAN BE HERE VIRTUALLY, BUT IF THERE'S A WAY THAT WE CAN MOVE THE MEETING TO THE 17TH, UH, THAT'D BE GREAT.
UM, I KNOW THE 17TH, THAT THAT IS NOT AN OPTION FOR ANOTHER DAY.
SO, UM, WE HAVE TO TAKE A LOOK AT THAT.
WE TRIED TO WORK IN THE 10TH, UM, SO WE'LL SEE IF WE, OKAY.
ANY OTHER, UH, COMMENTS FROM, FROM THE COMMITTEE? PUBLIC COMMENT FAIR? JUST, UM, A QUICK COUPLE OF QUICK ONES.
I SENT YOU AN EMAIL EARLIER TODAY.
NUMBER ONE, I SERIOUSLY THINK THE FORECASTS ARE BEING UNDERSTATED, UH, SERIOUS.
I SERIOUSLY THINK THE FORECASTS ARE BEING UNDERSTATED.
UH, FOR EXAMPLE, YOU'VE GOT, UH, IN 2045, 2,754 WESTBOUND PEOPLE IN 2 0 4 5, WHEREAS ACCORDING TO COUNTY DATA IN 2018, WE ALREADY HAD OVER 3000.
SO I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT'S GONNA SHRINK THE TRAFFIC.
I THINK YOUR MODEL IS GOOD, BUT THE NUMBERS ARE WRONG.
AND I ALSO DOUBT THE GROWTH RATE.
AND SO THE WAY TO RESOLVE THAT IS JUST RUN THE MODEL FOR THREE GROWTH RATES, EUROS, 0.56, THE COUNTIES AND THE IN INTERMEDIATE.
THAT'S NOT CHANGING A CONFIGURATION, JUST RUNNING, UH, DIFFERENT NUMBERS.
AND ALSO WHEN YOU RUN THE MODEL, GIVE US THE RESULTS FOR, AND I GAVE YOU THE NUMBERS THIS MORNING, 2,500, 3000, 30 504,000 VEHICLES PER HOUR, BECAUSE I THINK SOME OF THESE EARLY PLANS ARE GONNA BREAK DOWN COMPLETELY.
I THINK THINGS LIKE THE BYPASS, AND I DON'T REALLY CARE WHAT KIND OF BYPASS YOU USE.
A VERTICAL, A HORIZONTAL OR DIAGONAL DOESN'T MATTER TO ME.
I THINK THE VERTICAL IS HARDER ON THE PEOPLE IN STONY, THE HORIZONTAL MAY REQUIRE SOME ENVIRONMENTAL JIGGERY, BUT YOU BUILT PICKLEBALL COURTS DOWN THERE.
YOU BUILT A PARKING LOT, YOU BUILT A PARK, AND YOU OWN LOTS OF LAND.
AND I THINK WHAT WE'RE ASKING IS WE WANNA SEE BOTH METHODS.
WE DON'T WANT AN OUT OF THE POCKET DECISION HERE IN THE ROOM.
SHOW US THE, A BYPASS OR EQUIVALENT OF A BYPASS AND SHOW US THE VERTICAL AND THE HORIZONTAL AND SHOW US THE PAIN.
THE PAINT IS STONY WITH THE VERTICAL AND THE SOME ENVIRONMENTAL PURCHASE WITH THE HORIZONTAL.
EVERY TIME YOU BUILD AN AIRPORT OR A TERMINAL, YOU HAVE HUGE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS.
UH, YOU PAY FOR THEM, YOU DO MITIGATION, YOU DO ENVIRONMENTAL MITIGATION.
YOU'RE GONNA BURN 40 ACRES FOR THIS HUGE BRIDGE AND THE BIKE PATH.
THAT'S, IT'S NOT GONNA BE HARD.
TELL US A NUMBER OF ACRES OF WETLANDS THAT ARE NEEDED AND THOSE THAT ARE REALLY WETLANDS BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT.
IT'S GOT A PICKLEBALL COURT, NOT ALL WETLANDS.
LOOK AT THE, UH, THE MAPS THEY SENT YOU OVER THE WEEKEND.
THERE'S WAYS AROUND USING A FLYOVER.
THERE'S A MUCH CHEAPER WAY TO START WITHOUT THE LOOK AT THAT MAP.
AND ALSO CONSIDER THE LOCAL CONNECTION ROAD BETWEEN SPANISH WELLS ROAD AND CHAMBERLAIN THAT ACTUALLY CAME UP IN THE MKS CASE STUDY.
I THINK THEY HAD A WAY TO GET AROUND THE ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUES ALSO.
SO IN THE END, I THINK THE BYPASS IDEA, WHATEVER WAY YOU USE HORIZONTAL, VERTICAL DIAGONAL CIRCLES, DOESN'T MATTER.
BYPASSING THOSE TWO TRAFFIC LIGHTS IS GOING TO BE VERY IMPORTANT.
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AND GETTING THE EXPRESS TRAFFIC THAT WANTS TO GO TO SEA PINES OUT OF STONY.FOREMAN, DO YOU IF I GO AFTER THIS PLAN? HE'S, GO AHEAD.
UH, CHRISTOPHER CLIFF, UH, I'D LIKE TO ADDRESS A QUESTION TO SEAN IF I MAY.
UH, SEAN, AT THE BEGINNING OF THE MEETING, YOU MENTIONED A COUPLE OF ANCILLARY, UH, THINGS GO GOING ON.
UM, RECENTLY THE CHAIRMAN OF SEA PINES, UH, COMMUNITY SERVICE ASSOCIATES, HAS REFERRED TO INTERACTION THEY'RE HAVING WITH THE TOWN REGARDING THE, THE PALMA BAY ROAD IN THE CIRCLE.
AND WE'VE HEARD TODAY VARIOUS ALTERNATIVES DISCUSSED, AND ONE CONSEQUENCE OF SPEEDING TRAFFIC THROUGH, UH, THE, THE BRIDGE AND THE CROSS ISLAND PARKWAY IS IMPACT ON THE CIRCLE.
UM, COULD YOU COMMENT PLEASE, ON THE INTERACTIONS YOU ARE HAVING WITH, WITH, UH, CINE CSA AND I BELIEVE YOU HAVE SOME CONSULTANTS AND WHETHER OR NOT YOU'RE GONNA DOVETAIL IN WITH LOCH MULLER? YEAH.
SO IF WE CAN ON THAT, IF, IF WE CAN ANSWER AFTER PUBLIC COMMENT? YEAH.
JUST 'CAUSE THERE MIGHT BE SOME OTHER QUESTIONS THAT, THAT WE CAN ANSWER AT THAT TIME.
YOUR, UH, YOUR SERVICE IS APPRECIATED.
UH, MR. PERRY, YOU ARE A MORTGAGE BROKER AND MANY OF YOU SIT ON THIS DAES OR COMMITTEE, GET A FALSE SENSE OF KNOWLEDGE OVER THE PROFESSIONALS WHO ADDRESS YOU FROM THE PODIUM.
THIS CORRIDOR PROJECT MUST BE CITED BY HONEST PROFESSIONALS AND NOT POLITICS, POLITICIANS, LAWYERS INVOLVED, NOR, AND THIS SHOULD INCLUDE SPECIAL INTEREST GROUPS LIKE THE CHAMBER, THE SECRET GREATER ISLAND COUNCIL.
AND NO ONE CARES ABOUT OPINIONS FROM NON-PROFESSIONALS, ONLY A GROUP OF PROFESSIONALS THAT CAN COME TO A TOTAL OR MAJORITY DECISION ON HOW TO PROCEED AND END THE ONGOING DELAYED PROCESS.
THIS IS A PERFECT EXAMPLE OF A GOVERNMENT BUREAUCRACY WHERE FINAL DECISIONS ARE DELAYED OVER AND OVER.
LET'S JUST GIVE THE FULL POWER AND FINAL DECISIONS TO THE PROFESSIONALS AND ANY NON-PROFESSIONALS ON THIS COMMITTEE ARE REPLACED.
WHAT ARE THE QUALIFICATIONS OF THIS COMMITTEE? MR. PERRY? YOU, FOR ONE, ARE A MORTGAGE BROKER AND SHOULD NOT EVEN GET A SAY AND REPLACE WITH A QUALIFIED PROFESSIONAL.
WILLIE YOUNG, I'VE KNOWN FOR YEARS.
HE'S A NICE GUY, BUT HE'S A, HE'S IN THE UPHOLSTERY BUSINESS.
WORSE, NO DOUBT, PERRY IS ONLY ON THIS COMMITTEE TO REPRESENT SPECIAL INTEREST AND ALREADY PROVEN THIS, AND ALSO PROVED HIS DISHONESTY FOR, UH, UH, UH, SPECIAL IN FOR THE SPECIAL INTEREST GROUPS.
HE DOES NOT EVEN QUALIFY FOR A MAYOR.
LASTLY, HOW DOES PERRY CHAIR AN ADVISORY COMMITTEE VERSUS A PROFESSIONAL? AND HOW DOES, AND HOW DOES AND CAN AN ADVISORY COMMITTEE MADE UP OF NON-PROFESSIONALS ADVISE ON ANYTHING THEY DON'T KNOW ABOUT OR UNDERSTAND? LET'S PUT FIVE PROFESSIONALS ON THIS ADVISORY COMMITTEE MADE UP OF ENGINEERS, DESIGNERS TRAINED FOR ROADS, BRIDGES, AND ALL THE OTHER ASPECTS OF THIS PROJECT TO GET THIS COMPLETED.
DO WE HAVE ANY ENGINEERS FOR ROADS AND BRIDGES OR ANY ASPECT OF THIS PROJECT ON THIS COMMITTEE? PERRY AND PA, I SEE THAT YOU'RE ONE, I LOOKED YOU UP AND I'M GLAD I DID NOT LOOK YOU UP.
I WAS TRYING, BUT I COULDN'T GET YOU AND CALLING US NONPROFESSIONAL.
I SAID I I, NO, I DIDN'T SAY THAT.
IF YOU'RE AN ENGINEER, THEN YOU SHOULD BE ON THAT COM.
THIS COMMITTEE, I'M SAYING THAT THE NON-ENGINEERS ARE PEOPLE THAT ARE NOT QUALIFIED, SHOULD NOT BE ON THIS COMMITTEE.
I THINK YOU ARE IF YOU'RE AN ENGINEER.
ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENTS? TONER, UM, MELINDA TENNER.
UM, SO THERE WAS A LOT TO CONSUME AND DIGEST TODAY WITH ALL THE MATERIALS, AND I APPRECIATE, UH, THE AMOUNT OF DETAIL AND WORK THAT WENT INTO THIS.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I'M INTERESTED IN TRYING TO UNDERSTAND, AND BECAUSE I DIDN'T HAVE ACCESS TO THE INFORMATION AHEAD OF TIME, IS HOW LONG ARE THESE BENEFITS GONNA LAST? UM, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE COMPARISONS, UH, THAT YOU'RE USING, YOU'VE GOT CURRENT STATE AND THEN YOU'VE GOT THE CURRENT, YOU KNOW, AND THEN, UH, FORECASTED FOR 2045 AND ALL THE ALTERNATIVES COMPARE TO THAT 2045 NUMBER.
I'D ALSO BE INTERESTED TO LOOK AT HOW DOES IT COMPARE TO TODAY? MEANING THAT WHEN YOU PUT ALL THIS IN THERE AND YOU SPEND ALL THIS MONEY, ARE WE GONNA BE IN THE SAME PLACE AND POSITION THAT WE'RE IN TODAY? IS IT GONNA BE BETTER OR IS IT GONNA BE WORSE? AND I I COULDN'T TELL, UH, FROM THE MATERIAL, BUT I THINK THAT WOULD BE AN INTERESTING THING TO KNOW.
AND THEN I KNOW THAT THE CLOCK IS TICKING FOR MUNICIPAL CONSENT, AND I'M JUST WONDERING WHAT ALL THE PUBLIC ACTIVITIES ARE GONNA BE
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BETWEEN THEN AND NOW.I KNOW YOU HAVE, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT ANOTHER MEETING OF THE COMMITTEE, EITHER THE 10TH OR THE 17TH OR ANOTHER DATE I SAW THAT YOU ARE PUTTING OUT THERE A PUBLIC OPEN HOUSE.
UH, AT LEAST IN THE PRESENTATION IT TALKED ABOUT THAT, WHICH I THINK WOULD BE A VERY IMPORTANT THING TO DO.
AND THEN YOU HAVE ALL THE WORK ASSOCIATED WITH THE GULLAH GEECHEE COMMUNITY IN DETERMINING ALL THE MITIGATION IMPACTS THAT'LL BE NEEDED AND AGREED UPON BEFORE YOU GIVE MUNICIPAL CONSENT.
SO I'M JUST WORRIED ABOUT THE TIMELINE BETWEEN THEN AND NOW AND GETTING ALL OF THAT COMPLETED.
OTHER PUBLIC COMMENTS? THAT'S GREAT.
I HAD, UH, GRAY SMITH, UH, INDIGO RUN HILTON HEAD ISLAND.
I HAD, UH, THREE PREPARED POINTS, BUT I'M ONLY GONNA MAKE THE FIRST ONE.
AND THEN I'M GOING TO, UH, UH, SEGUE INTO, UH, SOME OBSERVATIONS I HAD AND QUESTIONS I HAD, UH, BASED ON THOSE INCREDIBLE VIDEOS.
UH, FIRST POINT, LOOKING AT THE CONSULTANTS RESULTS FOR THE 2045 S-C-D-O-T MODIFIED RECOMMENDED PREFERRED ALTERNATIVE, IT BECOMES EMINENTLY CLEAR AS TO WHY THAT ALTERNATIVE SHOULD BE SUMMARILY DISCARDED.
IT SPENDS CLOSE TO A THIRD OF A BILLION DOLLARS OF OUR, OUR TAXPAYER MONEY TO SHORTEN THE MORNING EASTBOUND COMMUTE BY LESS THAN TWO MINUTES.
AND IT SHORTENS THE AFTERNOON WESTBOUND COMMUTE BY A STELLAR FOUR AND A HALF MINUTES.
FURTHERMORE, I RECALL S-C-D-O-T ITSELF STATING THAT THE BEST POSSIBLE OUTCOME THEY COULD EXPECT AFTER SPENDING THE AFOREMENTIONED THIRD OF A BILLION DOLLARS WOULD BE AN UPGRADE IN THE PEAK TRAFFIC RATING FROM AN F TO A D.
THE MINUSCULE BENEFIT DERIVED FOR THE MILLIONS AND MILLIONS OF DOLLARS EXPENDED TO SAY NOTHING OF THE FIVE YEARS OF THE CONSTRUCTION, THAT THE RESIDENTS AND VISITORS ALIKE WOULD BE FORCED TO ENDURE.
MAKE THE S-C-D-O-T PROPOSAL UNTENABLE TO THE POINT OF ABSURDITY.
OKAY, UH, SECOND, UH, IN RESPONSE TO THE VIDEOS, THE 20:45 AM SHOWS THAT MOST OF THE CONGESTION IS AT THE MERGE FROM THE, UH, BLUFFTON PARKWAY, UH, MERGING PRIOR TO THE BRIDGES AND THEN OVER THE BRIDGES.
IT'S PRETTY CLEAR SAILING AND THEN MORE CONGESTION HAPPENS AS WE GET TO THE PLACE THAT WE KNOW ALL THE PROBLEMS ARE THOSE TRAFFIC LIGHTS.
THEN I LOOKED AT THE, UH, VIDEO OF THE PM DEPARTURE, UH, TIME, AND THERE'S A LOT OF CONGESTION BEFORE THOSE LIGHTS.
AND THEN ONCE YOU GET PAST SQUIRE POP LIGHT, THERE'S CLEAR SAILING OVER THE BRIDGES.
SO WHAT THE HELL ARE WE SPENDING? I, FIRST OF ALL, DEVASTATING THE, UH, ECOLOGICAL AND AESTHETIC APPROACH TO HILTON NET ISLAND BY BUILDING THIS SINGLE SLAB 130 FOOT AIRCRAFT CARRIER DECK LOOKING MONSTROSITY OF A BRIDGE WHEN YOUR, UH, SIMULATIONS SHOW THAT THE BRIDGES ARE NOT THE PROBLEM.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH MR. MAYOR AND COMMITTEE FOR YOUR SERVICE AS VOLUNTEERS TO TRY TO IMPROVE THE TRAFFIC CONDITION CONDITIONS ON HILTON HEAD.
UH, MY NAME FOR THE RECORD IS THOMAS BARNWELL JR.
I, I'M A NATIVE OF HILTON HEAD AND I'M NOT AN ENGINEER, SO I'M NOT GONNA QUESTION ANY, ANY OF THE TECHNICAL THINGS.
I HAVE LIVED HERE FOR A LONG TIME AND I WAS HERE WHEN THE BOAT HIT THE SWING BRIDGE MANY YEARS AGO, WHICH WAS QUITE AN INCONVENIENCE FOR BUSINESSES AS WELL AS INDIVIDUAL RESIDENTS ALONG WITH THE VACATIONERS ON THIS ISLAND.
THEREFORE, LISTENING TO YOU WITH MY HEARING AID, I DON'T HEAR VERY WELL.
I WOULD LIKE TO CONGRATULATE THE COMMITTEE MEMBERS THAT SPEND HOURS EVALUATING ALL THE DETAILS THAT I SAW YOU FLIPPING THROUGH WHILE YOU WERE SITTING HERE TODAY.
AND AMONG THOSE I HEARD OF THE
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STUDY STUDIES THAT WAS DONE, I WOULD HOPE THAT THE CONSULTANTS THAT'S DOING THE STUDIES ZERO THEIR TIMEFRAME REGARDING THE STUDIES IN THE MORNINGS BETWEEN 7:00 AM AND 9:00 AM AND IN THE EVENINGS BETWEEN 3:00 PM AND 6:00 PM SPECIFICALLY.AND THE REASON I'M SAYING THAT IS THAT I HAVE PERSONALLY TRAVELED THE HIGHWAYS DURING THOSE TIMES COMING ON THE ISLAND AND GOING OFF THE ISLAND.
FOR EXAMPLE, THIS MORNING I WENT OUT OFF THE ISLAND AT SIX 30, HAD A SEVEN 30 APPOINTMENT AT OC WELCH FORD.
I WAS ABLE TO GET OFF THE ISLAND OUT OF SQUIRE POPE ROAD.
WHEN I GOT TO OC WELCH, IT TOOK ME ABOUT EIGHT MINUTES BEFORE I COULD MAKE THE LEFT TURN OFF 2 78 TO GET INTO THE SERVICE PLACE.
I MEAN, THERE WAS A STRAIGHT STREAM OF TRAFFIC THAT FAR OUT AND I KNOW MY TIME IS UP.
THE OTHER THING I WOULD LIKE TO SUGGEST, PLEASE CONSIDER THAT SECOND ALTERNATIVE BRIDGE OFF AND ON THE ISLAND.
THE LAST ONE IS, THERE'S A DESPERATE NEED TO REALLY CONSIDER ABOVE THE GROUND ELEVATED HIGHWAY FROM THE EXISTING BRIDGE DOING A CONNECTOR TO THE CROSS ISLAND PARKWAY.
IT WILL REALLY ALLEVIATE THE PROBLEMS IN STONY.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME.
UH, FOR THE RECORD, MY NAME IS RICHARD BUSY.
SO MR. MAYOR, NO STONE UNTURNED REALLY SOUNDS LIKE HYPERBOLE TO ME.
NOW, WE HAD LOTS OF CHARTS, LOTS OF DATA TODAY, BUT I'M NOT CONVINCED PERSONALLY THAT OUR HIGH PRICE CONSULTANTS WHO ARE GONNA BE MAKING MORE THAN $400,000 OF TAXPAYERS MONEY HAVE EXPLORED ALL OPTIONS TO SOLVE OUR TRAFFIC CONGESTION ISSUES AND LOOKED AT FRESH NEW IDEAS.
IT SEEMS TO BE THAT WHAT I HEARD TODAY WERE RELATIVELY MINOR TWEAKS TO THE COUNTY PLAN, WHICH WE KNOW WILL NOT WORK.
BUT YOU, MR. MAYOR, HAVE NOT HELPED AT THIS COMMITTEE MEETING LAST MONTH.
THE MOTION WAS PROPERLY MADE BY MR. ADVOCATE REGARDING MINIMIZING THE IMPACT OF THE CORRIDOR PROJECT ON THE STONY COMMUNITY.
THE MOTION WAS SECONDED BY MR. YOUNG, BUT YOU ACTING AS CHAIRMAN, EVEN THOUGH YOU WERE NEVER ELECTED CHAIRMAN OF THIS COMMITTEE, YOU REFUSED TO ALLOW ANY DEBATE OR DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION CLEAR VIOLATION OF ROBERT'S RULES OF ORDER.
AND YOU KNOW, IT, ANOTHER MOTION WAS MADE AGAIN BY MR. ADVOCATE CONCERNING A SECOND BRIDGE.
AND AGAIN, BEFORE ANYONE COULD MAKE A SECOND TO THAT MOTION, YOU SHUT IT DOWN.
ANOTHER VIOLATION OF ROBERT'S RULES OF ORDER, WHICH GOVERNED THIS COMMITTEE.
SHAME ON YOU, YOU KNOW BETTER.
AND YOU DID IT AGAIN TODAY WITH MR. ADVOCATE.
HE TRIED TO MAKE A MOTION TO DIRECT THE CONSULTANTS TO STUDY MR. BAYER'S BYPASS PLAN.
YOU DIDN'T EVEN ASK FOR A SECOND.
YOU DEFERRED TO YOUR STAFF MEMBER AND AVOIDED THE QUESTION.
AND WE LEARNED TODAY, THINK ABOUT IT, WE CAN HAVE A SECOND BRIDGE.
MR. BARNWELL TALKED ABOUT THE NEED FOR A SECOND BRIDGE.
WE COULD HAVE IT IN 40 YEARS BECAUSE THE CONSULTANTS SAID, WELL, IT'S GONNA TAKE 20 YEARS, SO DON'T EVEN THINK ABOUT IT NOW.
YEAH, WE'LL THINK ABOUT IT MAYBE IN 20 YEARS AND THEN 20 YEARS TO BUILD IT SO YOU CAN HAVE A SECOND BRIDGE IN 40 YEARS.
WE NEED A FAIR, TRANSPARENT AND INDEPENDENT ANALYSIS, INDEPENDENT OF ALL POLITICAL MANIPULATION.
AND THE TOWN HOLDS THE TRUMP CARD IN BEING ABLE TO WITHHOLD MUNICIPAL CONSENT.
AND WE SHOULD NOT MOVE FORWARD WITHOUT A PROPER PLAN.
THE TOWN SHOULD NOT PROVIDE MUNICIPAL
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CONSENT UNTIL WE HAVE A PLAN THAT IS PROVEN TO MEET OUR NEEDS AND IS FULLY VETTED IN PUBLIC.AND I KNOW THAT THERE ARE THOSE, THE MAYOR BEING ONE WHO SAYS, LET'S MOVE FORWARD.
WE'VE WAITED LONG ENOUGH, BUT LET'S GET IT RIGHT.
AND DON'T BE FOOLED INTO THINKING THAT SOMEHOW WE'RE GONNA LOSE OUR STATE FUNDING IF WE DON'T GRANT MUNICIPAL CONSENT.
HILTON HEAD IS A CASH COW AND HILTON HEAD OR FUNDING RATHER, WILL BE AVAILABLE WHEN THE TOWN DECIDES IT HAS A PLAN THAT IT APPROVES OF.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS? ALRIGHT, SEEING NONE.
AND, UM, JUST WANNA SAY THIS FOR THE RECORD, THAT I AM IN 100% AGREEMENT WITH MR. BEERS, UH, ALTERNATIVE ROUTE.
AND MR. MR. BARNWELL STATED AS WELL, WE SHOULD BE OPEN TO THE OPINIONS OF THE CITIZENS, UM, PARTICULARLY, UH, THE NATIVE ISLANDERS.
AND WE HAVE, LIKE I STATED PREVIOUSLY, WE HAVE GIVEN A LOT, WE HAVE LOST A LOT OF LAND AND WE DON'T WANNA LOSE ANYMORE.
AND IMPROVEMENTS CAN BE HALVED, IT CAN BE ACCOMPLISHED WITHOUT US LOSING OUR LAND, BE NANG NEGATIVELY IMPACTED.
AND WE ARE BEING NEGATIVELY IMPACTED BY THE PREFERRED PLAN THAT WAS SHARED.
AND, UM, WE SHOULDN'T LOSE ANY MORE STRUCTURES ANYMORE LAND.
AND FOR ONE, UM, MR. YOUNG, HIS HIS UPHOLSTERY SHOP IS ON 2 78.
AND PRIOR TO HIM OWNING THAT, THAT WAS MR. ALEC PATTERSON'S STORE, RIGHT? MAMA, UH, BUILT IN 1954 BEFORE THE BRIDGE.
SO THAT'S A PART OF OUR COMMUNITY, AND MANY PEOPLE MAY NOT UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT IT'S A PART OF THE NATIVE ISLANDERS COMMUNITY, OUR BUSINESS COMMUNITY BACK THEN.
AND WE STILL RELISH IT AND WE JUST DON'T WANT IT TOUCHED.
SO, IMPROVEMENT, YES, BUT DO IT IN SUCH A WAY WHERE THERE'S SOME MORALITY AND SOME ETHICS INVOLVED IN THIS.
YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT NATIVE ISLANDERS, GULLAH, GEECHEE COMMUNITIES.
THERE'S NOT MUCH LAND LEFT IN OUR COMMUNITY.
AND BY GOD AT LEAST TAKE THAT TO HEART.
YOU KNOW, WE'VE SAID THIS AGAIN AND AGAIN AND YOU, AND IT IS KNOWN THAT WE'RE, WE'RE DWINDLING HERE.
SO TO TAKE MORE FROM US AT THIS POINT WILL BE WRONG.
SO I ASK THAT EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU TAKE THAT IN CONSIDERATION.
I KNOW YOU HAVE YOUR INDEPENDENT STUDY GOING ON HERE, BUT IT'S A MATTER OF THE HEART AS WELL.
SO PLEASE DO THE RIGHT THING AND NOT IMPACT THE GULLAH GEECHEE COMMUNITY.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS? ALL RIGHT, SAME DONE.
SO SEAN, I'LL LET YOU RESPOND, UH, TO THE QUESTION FROM EARLIER.
SO THERE'S, UM, A FEW EFFORTS THAT, UM, THAT WILL ALL MERGE RELATED TO, UH, EVALUATION OF OTHER, OTHER INTERSECTIONS, UM, INCLUDING THE INE CIRCLE.
SO THIS EFFORT DELIBERATELY WAS EXTENDED TO A REAL END-TO-END TO LOOK ON THE BUSINESS ROUTE TO HOOPING CRANE AND INDIGO RUN, BUT ON THE CROSS ISLAND ROUTE, ALL THE WAY TO INE CIRCLE.
AND SO ONCE THEY, UM, LOCK MUELLER AND THIS WORK HAS MOVED THROUGH THIS TASK THREE, WHEN THEY GET INTO TASK FOUR, THEY'LL BE LOOKING AT ALL THE INTERSECTIONS FURTHER DOWNSTREAM.
RIGHT NOW THEY'RE LOOKING JUST, JUST A GUMTREE TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S, UM, INFORMATION PROVIDED RELATED TO THE PRIMARY PROJECT.
UM, WE ALSO HAVE A, UM, MAJOR THOROUGHFARES CORRIDOR PLAN THAT MKSK, UH, KIMLEY HORN TOOL ARE ALL WORKING TOGETHER IN A, IN A BIG, UH, TEAM TO DELIVER, UM, A, A PLAN FOR THE ENTIRETY OF WILLIAM HILTON PARKWAY.
UM, THE DIFFERENT SEGMENTS, UH, PALMETTO BAY ROAD, POPE AVENUE, NEW ORLEANS ARROW, UH, BUT SEA PINE CIRCLE IS PART OF THAT EVALUATION AS WELL.
AND WE'VE BEEN TALKING WITH, UH, MEMBERS FROM CSA AND SEA PINES, UM, ABOUT THE SEA PINE CIRCLE.
UH, WE'VE ENGAGED A CONSULTANT THROUGH KIMLEY HORN TO FOCUS SPECIFICALLY ON THE SEA PINE CIRCLE AGAIN.
SO FOUR SEPARATE ENGAGEMENTS THAT'LL HELP, UH, PROVIDE SOME OPPORTUNITY FOR IMPROVEMENTS IN THAT AREA.
AND I UNDERSTAND THAT SEA PINES IS WORKING, UH, TO SECURE THAT SAME CONSULTANT TO EVALUATE GREENWOOD DRIVE AND ACCESS
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MANAGEMENT THROUGH THERE.SO, UM, ALL FOUR OF THOSE EFFORTS ARE CURRENTLY IN MOTION, UM, AND, UM, AND SHOULD GIVE US IS, UH, THE ADEQUATE INFORMATION TO UNDERSTAND WHAT OPTIONS ARE AVAILABLE FOR IMPROVEMENTS IN THAT AREA.
SEAN, VERY QUICKLY, IF I MAY, DO YOU HAVE A TIMEFRAME IN MIND? UM, WE ABOUT TO GET BACK TO YOU ON THAT.
SO WE HAVE A CORRIDORS PLAN THAT'S SCHEDULED FOR A WORKSHOP NEXT MONTH.
BUT TOWN COUNCIL ALLOWS US TO FOCUS IN ON SOME PRIORITY SEGMENTS, INCLUDING THE AREA KNOWN PRIMARILY AS NORTHRIDGE.
BECAUSE OF SOME SAFETY CONCERNS THERE ALONG WITH SEGMENT TWO, WHICH IS GUMTREE ROAD TO BEE CITY ROAD AND MAIN STREET, BECAUSE WE WANNA ADVANCE THE, NOW THAT WE OWN THE ENTIRETY OF MAIN STREET ADVANCE, SOME IMPROVEMENTS IN THAT.
SO IT WOULD BE SUBSEQUENT TO THAT, THAT DISCUSSION YOU MENTIONED MKSK AND KIMLEY HOR, WHO'S THE THIRD CONSULTANT GROUP TOOL'S, A LEADER IN MULTIMODAL DESIGN PATHWAYS.
AND I CAN CERTAINLY TALK WITH YOU AFTER, UM, THE MEETING.
ALRIGHT, WELL THANK Y'ALL FOR COMING OUT TODAY.
APPRECIATE EVERYBODY'S INPUT AND GIVING US, UH, ABOUT THREE HOURS TODAY.
IT'S GOOD TO SEE YOU, TO SEE YOU.
UH, I WE'RE, WE'VE GOT A LOT TO TALK ABOUT AND WE'RE GONNA TRY TO TALK ABOUT IN A, ALL OF THIS IN A VERY SMALL KIND OF PRESENTATION TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC ABOUT WHAT WE WANT TO DO.
UH, IF Y'ALL REMEMBER, UH, WE STARTED WORKING ON A NEW SCHOOL RESOURCE OFFICER OPPORTUNITY LAST YEAR.
UM, BECAUSE WE KNEW, AND WE HAVE KNOWN THAT TRYING TO RECRUIT LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS TO BE CLASS ONE CERTIFIED, WHICH IS WHAT THE STATE REQUIRED, UH, YOU KNOW, TO BE IN OUR SCHOOLS AS SCHOOL RESOURCE OFFICERS, WHICH ARE, IS, IS A SPECIAL, I THINK WE ALL AGREE THAT THAT IS REALLY A SPECIAL CANDIDATE, UH, THAT WE CONSIDER TO BE THAT CLOSE IN ASSOCIATION TO OUR KIDS.
UM, AND, BUT WE KNOW THE IMPORTANCE OF THE SCHOOL RESOURCE OFFICER PROGRAM BECAUSE OF THE SAFETY FACTORS IT CREATES, NOT ONLY IN OUR SCHOOLS, BUT WHAT OUR BUT OUR COMMUNITIES AS WELL BECAUSE THE SCHOOL IS A MELTING POT OF THE COMMUNITIES THAT WE SERVE.
SO HAVING THAT RIGHT PERSON IN THAT JOB AND THAT ROLE TO PROVIDE SECURITY TO OUR KIDS LEADERSHIP, TO OUR KIDS, UH, AND GIVING THE CONFIDENCE TO THE STAFF TO WORK IN THE SCHOOLS, I MEAN, IT'S IMPORTANT TO FIND THAT RIGHT PERSON.
SO IT'S DIFFICULT TO FIND A CLASS ONE OR A CLASS ONE LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER, FOR THOSE THAT DON'T KNOW, IS ONE THAT GOES TO THE ACADEMY FOR 12 WEEKS, SPENDS 12 WEEKS FOR THE MOST PART IN COLUMBIA.
AND WE DO SOME OF THE TRAINING HERE LOCALLY, BUT EVERYTHING ELSE, UH, HAS TO BE DONE IN COLUMBIA.
AND THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT WE'RE TRYING TO ATTRACT TO BE SCHOOL RESOURCE OFFICERS THAT REALLY DON'T WANT TO GIVE UP THEIR LIFE AND THEIR FAMILY TO GO TO COLUMBIA AND GO THROUGH BOOTCAMP TO BE A CLASS ONE LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER.
SO I HAD OUR TRAINING STAFF PUT TOGETHER A TRAINING SYLLABUS FOR A, WHAT WE CALL A CLASS THREE.
UH, AND IT WAS A CLASS THREE DESIGNATION FOR SCHOOL RESOURCE OFFICER.
WHAT THAT DID IS IT ALLOWED US TO CREATE A TRAINING SYLLABUS THAT WE COULD TAKE A PERSON, UM, YOU KNOW, OF, OF ANY AGE, UM, AND THAT WE WOULD BRING THEM INTO LAW ENFORCEMENT ENVIRONMENT, YOU KNOW, WITH BLUFFTON OR BEAUFORT OR PORT ROYAL OR THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE.
UH, AND WE WOULD TRAIN THEM HERE IN BEAUFORT COUNTY.
ALL OF THEIR TRAINING WOULD BE DONE RIGHT HERE.
UH, IT WOULD BE EIGHT WEEKS, MAYBE A LITTLE MORE THAN EIGHT WEEKS OF TRAINING.
UH, WE WOULD LIKE TO START THIS, UH, THE, OUR FIRST CLASS.
WE'D LIKE TO START IT IN JUNE.
UH, THAT WAY WE CAN GET 'EM THROUGH THE PROGRAM AND BE READY FOR DEPLOYMENT, UH, WHEN SCHOOL STARTS IN AUGUST.
UH, I, I THINK IT'S AN AWESOME PROGRAM.
WE, WE, WE SENT THE TRAINING SYLLABUS TO THE ACADEMY THAT TRAINS ALL OF OUR LAW ENFORCEMENT IN SOUTH CAROLINA.
THEY APPROVED IT, UH, WITH THE BLESSING OF THE SOUTH CAROLINA TRAINING COUNCIL.
SO WE ARE READY TO GET THIS THING MOVING AND GET IT STARTED.
AND I THINK FOR US, UH, WE JUST NEED TO KIND OF TELL OUR CITIZENS, YOU KNOW, WHO ARE WE LOOKING FOR? UH, THE ROLE IS SCHOOL RESOURCE OFFICER.
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IT'S A CLASS THREE LAW ENFORCEMENT DESIGNATION.UH, IT'S A UNIFORM POSITION, IT'S AN ARMED POSITION.
UH, THEY HAVE ARREST POWERS, UH, AND THEY HAVE ALL THE POWERS OF ANY OTHER LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER ON THE SCHOOL GROUNDS, UH, THAT THEY'RE ASSIGNED TO.
SO WHAT DO YOU THINK, JOE, SHERIFF? I THINK IT'S A GREAT IDEA, AND THANK YOU FOR TAKING LEAD ON THIS.
UM, WE HAVE FOUR ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS IN BLUFFTON THAT CURRENTLY ARE NOT STAFFED BY CLASS THREE OR HIGHER OFFICERS.
AND I THINK THAT THIS PROGRAM IS GONNA ATTRACT PEOPLE TO THESE POSITIONS AND IT'S GONNA PROVIDE MORE OF A SECURITY BLANKET FOR OUR SCHOOLS TO INCLUDE OUR ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS.
SO WE'RE DEFINITELY EXCITED ABOUT IT.
WE'RE EXCITED TO BE PART OF IT.
WHO, WHO DO WE WANT TO ATTRACT? I THINK WE'VE GOT A, WE'VE GOT AN ENORMOUS NUMBER OF RETIRED MILITARY FOLKS HERE.
THEY MAY HAVE CHILDREN IN OUR SCHOOLS AND WITH THE, WITH THE PROGRAM THAT YOU WERE ABLE TO PUT TOGETHER.
UM, THEY'LL BE HOME WHEN THEIR CHILDREN ARE HOME, NOT IN SCHOOL.
AND, UM, AND I'VE ALWAYS SAID, YOU AND I HAVE HAD THIS CONVERSATION, SHERIFF, WE, WE NEED TO GET INTO THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL IF WE, IF WE WAITED UNTIL HIGH SCHOOL, WERE TOO LATE.
I'M, I'M GLAD THAT YOU TOOK THE LEAD ON IT.
UM, I'M EXCITED TO SEE IF WE CAN GET SOME PEOPLE IN, BUT I REALLY THINK THE YOUNG RETIRED MILITARY PEOPLE ARE, THEY'RE JUST MADE FOR THIS, YOU KNOW, AND WE'VE GONE THROUGHOUT OUR CAREERS, UH, IN THE COUNTY OF BEAUFORT AND WE'VE HAD CONVERSATION AFTER CONVERSATION WITH DIFFERENT PEOPLE THAT SAY, YOU KNOW, I'M RETIRED, I'D LIKE TO FIND SOMETHING TO DO.
AND THEN YOU START TALKING TO 'EM AND THEY'RE A RETIRED TEACHER OR RETIRED LAW ENFORCEMENT, RETIRED FIRE DEPARTMENT, RETIRED MILITARY, RETIRED BANKERS, RETIRED, I MEAN, RETIRED, THIS, THAT, AND THE OTHER.
AND THEY'RE STILL, STILL AT AN AGE THAT THEY COULD, UM, THEY COULD DO THIS JOB WITH NO PROBLEM AT ALL OF ANY KIND.
UM, AND THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT, THAT I'D LIKE TO SEE.
YES, I'D LIKE TO SEE, UH, THOSE THAT ARE STILL, THEY STILL FEEL LIKE THEY CAN MAKE A DIFFERENCE THAT MAYBE HAVE ALWAYS LOOKED AT LAW ENFORCEMENT AS BEING A JOB, BUT BECAUSE OF THE PAY AND BECAUSE OF THE, YOU KNOW, THE WORKING CONDITIONS AND FAMILIES AND, AND ALL THAT, THEY JUST DIDN'T WANNA DO IT.
BUT HERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY, UH, TO MAKE $45,000 A YEAR STARTING PAY TO WORK BASICALLY THE SCHEDULE OF THE TEACHING AND SUPPORT STAFF OF THE SCHOOL DISTRICT, WHICH IS A PRETTY GOOD SCHEDULE.
IT IS, UH, TO HAVE BENEFITS, UH, TO BE IN THE RETIREMENT SYSTEM AND TO BE ABLE TO BRING THEIR MATURITY, UH, THEIR LIFE EXPERIENCE AND, AND YOU KNOW, TO TO ELEMENTARY SCHOOL AGE KIDS WHO WILL BENEFIT GREATLY FROM JUST HAVING THAT OPPORTUNITY TO SOCIALIZE AND BE AROUND, UH, THESE FOLKS THAT BRING A LOT TO THE TABLE.
AND I, WE, IN OUR COMMUNITIES, YOU TAKE BLUFFTON AND BEAUFORT AND, AND IN THE COUNTY AND THEN IN PORT ROYAL, THOSE PEOPLE ARE HERE.
AND THEY'RE LOOKING FOR THINGS TO DO.
AND I JUST THINK THIS IS AN AWESOME OPPORTUNITY FOR THEM TO, YOU KNOW WHAT, JUST DO IT KINDA LIKE NIKE, LET'S JUST DO IT.
UH, YOU KNOW, I THINK IT'S, THE TRAINING IS, I THINK THEY'LL ENJOY THEIR TRAINING.
AGAIN, IT'S ALL DONE RIGHT HERE.
THEY, THEY'LL STAY AT HOME, THEY'LL SLEEP IN THEIR OWN BED, THEY'LL HAVE THEIR OWN PILLOW, AND THEN THEY CAN COME TO TRAINING.
AND ONCE THEY'RE CERTIFIED, UH, THEN THEY'LL START THE SCHOOL YEAR, UH, AUGUST OF THIS YEAR.
SO, I MEAN, I KNOW YOUR COMMUNITY REPRESENTS THAT OPPORTUNITY AS WELL.
YOU KNOW, SO WHAT ELSE, WHAT ELSE DO YOU THINK THIS, UM, THIS PROGRAM'S GONNA DO IN TOTALITY FOR WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH? I THINK, I THINK THIS PROGRAM, ONE WILL BE ABLE TO GET US OVER THE TOP.
I THINK WE'LL BE ABLE TO GET, WE'LL BE ABLE TO GET A POLICE OFFICER IN EVERY SCHOOL IN BUFORT COUNTY, WHICH IS IMPORTANT.
A POLICE OFFICER AND I, AND I, AND YOU KNOW, WE, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS, THERE'S A LOT OF TRAINING THAT GOES ALONG WITH THIS JOB.
THERE IS, AND YOU KNOW, THIS IS NOT A SECURITY OFFICER.
THIS IS A LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER, UH, THAT'S GONNA BE WELL TRAINED, UH, IN THIS.
AND I, I THINK THAT AT THE END OF THE DAY, THAT'S, IT'S EXTREMELY IMPORTANT.
AND I THINK WITH THE YOUNG CHILDREN TARGETING THE RETIREES MM-HMM.
THEY'VE GOT THE LIFE EXPERIENCE FOR THE, FOR THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS.
AND, AND TO GET THAT STARTED OFF.
SO I THINK HOW, HOW MANY, HOW MANY OPENINGS DO YOU HAVE FOR THIS PROGRAM? FOR THIS PROGRAM? WE, WE ONLY HAVE TWO CURRENTLY.
POSSIBLY A THIRD COMING ON BOARD.
SO, I MEAN, IN TOTAL, AND HERE'S THE THING.
IT, IT DOESN'T MATTER IF YOU WORK AT THE CITY OF BEAUFORT OR THE TOWN OF BLUFFTON, UH, OR PORT ROYAL OR FOR THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE, YOU KNOW, WE WANT YOU TO COME TO WORK.
AND LAW ENFORCEMENT TO BE A CLASS THREE SRO, DOESN'T
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MATTER WHERE YOU GO, DOESN'T MATTER WHO YOU ARE EMPLOYED BY.THE WORK ENVIRONMENT'S BASICALLY THE SAME.
THERE MAY BE A DIFFERENCE IN UNIFORM THAT YOU WEAR AT THE SCHOOL THAT YOU'RE ASSIGNED TO, UH, THE PAY.
I MEAN, EVERYTHING IS GOING TO BE BASICALLY THE SAME.
SO ALL WE WANT PEOPLE TO DO IS PUT THEIR APPLICATIONS IN, GIVE US THE OPPORTUNITY TO SIT DOWN AND EXPLAIN THE PROGRAM IN DETAIL.
AND IF YOU REALLY HAVE AN INTEREST IN IT, UH, THEN LET'S, LET'S, LET'S GET STARTED.
AND, AND ONE THING THAT I WANT TO HIT ON IS THIS PROGRAM IS IMPORTANT AND, AND REASON BEING IS NONE OF OUR KIDS SHOULD FEEL AFRAID GOING TO SCHOOL.
UM, THEY SHOULD BE GOING TO SCHOOL TO LEARN AND NOT WORRYING ABOUT THEIR SAFETY.
UM, AND WHAT THIS DOES IS THIS PROVIDES ANOTHER LAYER OF SAFETY FOR ALL OF OUR SCHOOLS, ESPECIALLY THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS.
UM, IT ALSO PROVIDES PEOPLE WITH AN OPPORTUNITY TO MENTOR THESE YOUNG MEN AND WOMEN.
AND SO, LIKE THE SHERIFF SAID, IF YOU TRULY WANT TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE, UH, THIS IS A POSITION THAT YOU REALLY, REALLY WILL BE MAKING A DIFFERENCE.
I JUST HOPE THE APPLICATION START POURING IN.
AND IF YOU GET MORE THAN, THAN YOU NEED THEN AND, AND WE NEED TO GO TO BEAUFORT OR WE NEED TO GO TO THE, THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE OR, OR PORT ROYAL, WE JUST NEED, WE NEED TO PUT THESE PEOPLE TO WORK.
WE NEED TO FILL THESE VACANCIES, UH, AND LET'S MAKE OUR SCHOOLS IN BEAUFORT COUNTY AS SAFE AS THEY POSSIBLY CAN.
AND I THINK THE UNIQUENESS OF THIS PROGRAM, THESE OFFICERS WILL BE TRAINED BY PEOPLE THAT HAVE CHILDREN IN THESE SCHOOLS.
THEY HAVE THE SAME DESIRES, THE OUTCOMES THAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR.
SO I'M, I'M LOOKING FORWARD, LOOKING FORWARD TO IT.
WELL, I MEAN, THE GREAT THING ABOUT IT IS THAT WE ARE, WE WILL BE DOING THE TRAINING TOGETHER.
IF YOU GET, IF YOU GET, IF YOU HIRE ONE OR TWO AND YOU HIRE FOUR, AND YOU KNOW, AND I CAN FILL THE NINE THAT WE NEED, WE'RE ALL GONNA BE TRAINING TOGETHER.
SO THIS IS GONNA BE ONE TRAINING SYLLABUS TO BENEFIT, UH, THE SCHOOL RESOURCE OFFICER PROGRAM.
I MEAN, THIS IS GOING TO BE, THIS, THIS PROGRAM IS FOR SOUTH CAROLINA AS A WHOLE.
THIS IS NOT JUST FOR BEAUFORT COUNTY.
BUT I'M EXCITED THAT WE'RE GONNA START THIS AND INITIATE, YOU KNOW, THE SRO CLASS THREE POSITION HERE IN BEAUFORT COUNTY.
AND WE'RE GONNA SHOW THE STATE IT WORKS.
AND THE GREAT THING ABOUT THE TRAINING TOGETHER, SHERIFF, IS YOU'RE CREATING A NETWORK BEFORE YOU EVEN GET STARTED.
SO YOU'RE GOING TO KNOW PEOPLE FROM DIFFERENT SCHOOLS WHERE IF YOU CAN RUN INTO A PROBLEM, YOU HAVE SOMEBODY ELSE THAT YOU CAN CALL AND GET SOME ADVICE OR TALK TO THEM ABOUT THINGS GOING ON IN THEIR SCHOOL AND CURRENT TRENDS THAT ARE HAPPENING IN THEIR SCHOOL.
SO IT'S A GREAT COLLABORATION OF ALL THREE DEPARTMENTS IN THE ENTIRE COUNTY GETTING TOGETHER, BECAUSE HAVING THAT NETWORK AND PEOPLE THAT YOU CAN RELY ON FOR ADDITIONAL ADVICE IS INVALUABLE.
WELL, I TELL YOU WHAT, I MEAN, I WANT, I WANT PEOPLE TO BE ABLE TO, TO MAKE THOSE PHONE CALLS OR GO ONLINE AND RESEARCH, YOU KNOW, UH, JUST THE, THE, THE CLASS THREE SRO, UH, THROUGH ALL AGENCIES.
SO I THINK LINDSEY, IF WE CAN, I MEAN, AT THIS POINT, I THINK IF WE PUT THAT INFORMATION ON THIS VIDEO FOR BLUFFTON, BEAUFORT, PORT ROYAL, AND THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE WEBPAGE AND PHONE NUMBERS, UH, I THINK WE'LL HOPEFULLY WE'LL START GETTING CALLS.
THAT SOUND GOOD TO Y'ALL? YES, SIR.
GETTING THE FLU IS NOT FUN FOR ANYONE.
FLU PREVENTION AND RESPONSE IS EASY AS 1, 2, 3.
YOU CAN PRACTICE PREVENTION BY WASHING YOUR HANDS AND KEEPING YOUR HOME CLEAN, KEEPING YOUR IMMUNE SYSTEM STRONG BY EATING HEALTHY AND BEING ACTIVE AND STAYING AWAY FROM PEOPLE WHO ARE SICK.
IF YOU DO GET THE FLU OR GET SICK, THEN GO TO THE DOCTOR.
STAY HOME FROM SCHOOL OR WORK STAY HYDRATED TO STRENGTHEN YOUR BODY, TO FIGHT THE VIRUS.
REMEMBER, FLU PREVENTION AND RESPONSE IS EASY AS THAT.