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CAPTIONING PROVIDED BY BUFORT COUNTY.
I'LL CALL THE MEETING TO ORDER.
UM, FIRST, UM, ORDER OF BUSINESS IS PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE, PLEDGE OF ALL, ALL UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO, TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INVISIBLE WITH THE MIDDLE TEAM OF JUSTICE FOR ALL.
UM, HOYA, UM, NOTICE OF PUBLIC NOTIFICATION OF THIS MEETING HAS BEEN PUBLISHED, POSTED, AND DISTRIBUTED IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE SOUTH CAROLINA FREEDOM OF INFORMATION ACT.
UM, NEXT ORDER OF BUSINESS IS APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES FROM JANUARY 18TH.
I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES OF JANUARY 18TH.
CATHERINE, DID WE LOSE HER? SHE, SO THIS IS CATHERINE.
UH, NOW WE HAVE CITIZEN COMMENTS.
IS THIS FOR ALL ACTION ITEMS? THANKS.
SO I THINK GENERAL AND COMMENTS ARE LIMITED TO THREE MINUTES.
DO WE HAVE ANYBODY WHO'S GOING TO I LIKE TO.
DO YOU KEEP TRACK OF THE I HAVE IT ALL.
I'M THE, UH, DISTRICT THREE REPRESENTATIVE FOR ST.
AND I BASICALLY WANT TO COME AND TALK ABOUT, UM, AND THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY, MS. EPPS, UM, TO, TO SPEAK TO YOU.
UM, SOME CONCERNS WAS RAISED, UH, THE COMMUNITY, UH, THE CPO COMMITTEE MEETING, UH, THAT WAS HELD ON TUESDAY, UM, CONCERNING THE SURVEY THAT WAS BEING ON THE WEBSITE.
AND, UM, APPRECIATE THE SURVEY.
UM, WANT TO, AS A MATTER OF FACT, I DID, UH, ENTER, UM, A SITE, UM, ON THE SURVEY AND PROBABLY WOULD HAVE SOME MORE.
BUT THE CONCERN WAS THAT, UM, THE COMMUNICATION AND GETTING THE ANNOUNCEMENT OFF OUT TO THE PEOPLE, AND MOST OF IT RIGHT NOW I THINK MAY HAVE BEEN JUST ON THE WEBSITE.
AND A LOT OF FOLKS DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO INTERNET, PARTICULARLY ON ST.
HE AS WELL, BECAUSE WE ARE, UH, FACING BROADBAND ISSUES.
AND WE GOING TO TRY TO ADDRESS THAT FROM A COUNTY PERSPECTIVE.
BUT, UM, UM, THE DEADLINE AND MAYBE, UH, EXTENDED THE DEADLINE AND WANTING TO KNOW WHETHER AS A COMMITTEE, YOU'VE REACHED OUT TO MUCH OF THE OLDER PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY, THE PENN CENTER, UH, AS GROUP, AS SITES AND STUFF, UM, AND SEEING WHETHER YOU CAN GARNER INFORMATION FROM THEM BECAUSE YOU'RE LOOKING FOR, YOU KNOW, SITES, UH, PLACES OF GATHERING, ET CETERA.
UM, UNLIKE, UM, MOST PEOPLE, UM, AND EDUCATED FOLKS, UM, UM, DOCUMENTATION IS DONE, YOU KNOW, IN WRITING.
UM, A LOT OF THE DOCUMENTATION, UH, ON HISTORY IN THE BLACK COMMUNITY IS ORAL.
AND SO YOU GOTTA TALK TO PEOPLE AND GET THAT INFORMATION, UH, FROM THEM.
SO JUST BASICALLY WANNA SAY, YOU KNOW, UM, UH, TRY TO, UM, EXTEND AN INVITATION, UH, PARTICULARLY TO A PLACE LIKE THE PENN CENTER SO THAT, UM, THEY COULD HAVE A GATHERING OF PEOPLE FROM THE ST HOME COMMUNITY, OLDER PEOPLE, AND MAYBE HAVE A, A SESSION FOR RECEIVING THAT INFORMATION, UM, FROM THEM.
UM, THE ONE I DID AND STUFF, UH, WAS ACTUALLY A SITE ON ST ON, ON THE OAKS PLANTATION COMMUNITY.
AND IT'S AN OLD, UH, UH, SITE, I BELIEVE.
UM, SO IT GOES WAY BEYOND 1950.
UH, BUT I PUT IT ON THERE ANYWAY BECAUSE, UM, UM, THERE IS A, UM, WHEN I WAS A LITTLE CHILD, UM,
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I RAN INTO A TABBY RUIN.AND AT THE TIME I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT A TABBY RUIN WAS.
UM, AND AS I, UH, GOT OLDER, I UNDERSTOOD, YOU KNOW, WHAT A TAB IS.
SO, UM, MAYBE I LOOKING AT THAT AS WELL AND, AND DOING SOME EXCAVATION TO SEE WHAT THAT WAS ABOUT.
AND THEN MAYBE I KNOW EXACTLY WHAT WAS THERE.
I THOUGHT SOMEBODY WAS COMING.
YOU DID IT RIGHT? HEY, HEY, THIS IS CATHERINE PRINGLE.
CAN YOU SEE US? SHE CAN'T SEE US.
I SEE Y'ALL ABOUT THE SIZE, THE SIZE OF A POSTAGE STAMP.
UM, SO I CAN KNOW IF MR. GLOVER KNEW THAT THE OAKS PLANTATION IS HELD UNDER AN EASEMENT, A PRESERVATION EASEMENT BY THE HISTORIC BE FOUNDATION.
SO THEY'VE GOT ALL KIND OF INFORMATION ABOUT, UM, UH, UH, UH, ABOUT THE BUILDING AND THE GROUNDS.
WAS IT A CHURCH? WAS THE, WAS THE ROOM A CHURCH? I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW.
I I JUST WANTED YOU TO KNOW THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT THE HOUSE ITSELF ITSELF, THE PLANTATION HOUSE ITSELF ON THE WATER THAT IS THAT AND THE GROUNDS TO THAT, OR UNDER AN EASEMENT.
I'VE BEEN OUT THERE FOR AN INSPECTION ON THE EASEMENT THING, BUT I HAVE NOT SEEN ANY TAB RUINS, SO THAT'S INTERESTING.
UH, I KNOW EXACTLY WHAT HOUSE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
THIS IS, UM, THIS IS WOULD BE EAST OF THAT IN ANOTHER LITTLE AREA OF THE OAKS PLANTATION IS, AH, OKAY.
AND, UH, MAYBE, UM, EVERYONE SHOULD SAY THEIR NAME, UM, JUST TO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY SAYS THEIR NAMES.
I HAVE LIVED AND WORKED AND DONE HISTORY WORK ON ST.
I DID USED TO WORK WITH THE NATIONAL TRUST FOR HISTORIC PRESERVATION, AND AT ONE POINT I REALIZED THEY'RE ONLY INTERESTED IN THE HOMES THAT WOULD BE LIKE TOM B OR COFFIN POINT.
HELENA IS SO PRECIOUS AND SO UNUSUAL, AND IT IS NEVER ACKNOWLEDGED BECAUSE OF THE FACT THAT IT WASN'T BUILT BY WEALTHY PEOPLE.
FOR INSTANCE, WE HAVE MAID'S STORE.
DOES ANYONE RECOGNIZE THIS BUILDING? YEAH.
WHAT DO YOU THINK IT IS? THAT'S THE ONE RIGHT THERE ON THE, UM, IT'S RIGHT ACROSS FROM THE ART STUDIO.
IT'S THE GULLAH GR OH, GULLAH GROVE OF 1932.
AND IT IS NOW FALLING APART ALONG WITH THE PACKING SHED THAT IS ALSO ON THE REGISTER, AND IT IS FALLING APART.
WHY I GAVE YOU ALL A COPY OF MY LITTLE BOOK IS BECAUSE THERE ARE SO MANY THINGS IN HERE THAT NOBODY KNOWS ANYTHING ABOUT DR. YORK BAILEY'S HOUSE, FOR INSTANCE.
UM, THERE ARE SO MANY VALUABLE PLACES ON ST.
HELENA, BUT BECAUSE THEY HAVE ALWAYS BELONGED TO THE GULLAH AND GULLAH PEOPLE COULDN'T GET THE MONEY TO RESTORE THEM, AND THEY WENT AND TORE THEM DOWN AND GOT THE MANUFACTURED HOUSES.
I AM PROPOSING THAT SOMEBODY ON YOUR COMMITTEE, AND I DON'T REALLY KNOW WHAT YOUR COMMITTEE IS, BUT SOMEBODY NEEDS TO HELP US SAVE THE PLACES THAT YOU MAY NOT THINK ARE VALUABLE, BUT THEY ARE EXTREMELY VALUABLE TO OUR CULTURAL FOOTPRINT AND TO OUR CULTURAL IDENTITY.
AND YOU DO KNOW THAT IF WE DON'T SAVE THEM, WE'LL END UP LOOKING LIKE HARDY BILL AND THAT NOBODY ON SAINT HELLER WANTS THAT.
WE WANT TO PRESERVE OUR COMMUNITY EXACTLY THE WAY WE PUT IT IN THE CULTURAL PROTECTION OVERLAY, WHICH MEANS WE ALSO WANT TO SAVE OUR HUMBLE BUILDINGS AND ALL OF THE OTHER PARTS OF OUR COMMUNITY.
SO I'M JUST PUTTING THAT FORWARD FOR YOU ALL TO LOOK AT THIS BOOK.
SEE A FEW PLACES YOU MAY NEVER HAVE HEARD OF, BUT THAT WE KNOW ARE VERY IMPORTANT.
HAS ANYONE CATALOGED THE HOUSES THAT WERE, WELL, OF COURSE NOT.
I MEAN, ARE YOU KIDDING? THE NATIONAL TRUST WASN'T INTERESTED IN ANY OF THAT.
AND THEY ASKED ME ABOUT SOME GULLAH HOUSES AND I SAID, WELL, YOU'RE JUST A LITTLE LATE, BECAUSE THIS HAS ALL BEEN TORN DOWN.
PEOPLE HAVE IGNORED OUR COMMUNITY IN OUR ISLAND FOR A LONG TIME, BUT THAT'S OVER NOW.
SO HAVE WE GONE TO PRICE HOUSES? AND YES, YOU PROBABLY HAVE, AND THOSE ARE IMPORTANT AND THOSE ARE SAVED, BUT THERE ARE MANY OTHER
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PLACES THAT WE CAN IDENTIFY.AS YORK SAID, IF WE COULD MEET IN OUR HOMES, I MEAN, ON ST.
HELENA ISLAND AT PENN CENTER, WE COULD SAVE THOSE PLACES.
I WROTE THAT LITTLE BOOK ABOUT ST.
WOULD ANYONE ELSE SPEAK PUBLIC COMMENTS? OKAY.
WELL, BUT I WANT TO THANK YOU SO MUCH, MAKE THAT PRESENTATION.
ALRIGHT, UH, FIRST ACTION ITEM IS CONSIDERATION OF CASTLE HILL PLANTATION ALTERATIONS.
UM, LET ME SEE REAL QUICK, UM, ON TEAMS, ARE Y'ALL ABLE TO HEAR US? OH, I CANNOT HEAR.
UH, SO IS THERE ANYTHING THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO SAY? SURE.
UM, I, I'M MICHAEL FREDERICK WITH FREDERICK AND FREDERICK ARCHITECTS.
UH, WE PRESENTED THIS PROJECT IN JANUARY AND YOU ASKED US TO DO TWO THINGS.
ONE WAS TO GET RID OF THE, A CIRCULAR BUILDING THAT WE, WE HAD, AND WE DID THAT.
AND THEN YOU ASKED ME TO ALSO MAKE THE, UM, THE, THE OUTDOOR LIVING SPACE SMALLER.
OPEN IT UP TO THE BOARD FOR ANY COMMENTS.
CAN YOU KEEP SCROLLING? UH, THIS IS CATHERINE.
I'VE GOT SOME COMMENTS ON THE, THE, THE NEW, UM, UH, PROPOSAL.
AND MOSTLY IT'S THE, THE SECOND FLOOR ADDITION TO, FOR THE, FOR THE MASTER BATHROOM.
UM, I, I FEEL, I FEEL LIKE IT'S TOP HEAVY.
IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S A BIG THING SITTING ON SPINDLY LEGS.
UM, I JUST WONDERED IF IT WOULD BE POSSIBLE TO, INSTEAD OF HAVING IT WRAPPED IN, IN BRICK, MAKE IT BE, UM, SIDING IN INSTEAD.
AND IF THERE WAS A WAY TO MAKE THOSE, UH, IN THAT BAY WHERE THE SHOWER WINDOWS ARE, AND I REALIZE IT'S A SHOWER, THERE'S A PRIVACY, UM, ELEMENT THERE, BUT IT'D BE POSSIBLE TO MAKE THE WINDOWS, UM, LONGER.
BUT I MEAN, IT'S OBVIOUSLY IN ADDITION, THE HOUSE HAS HAD SO MANY CHANGES TO IT.
SOME OF 'EM GOOD, SOME OF 'EM NOT SO GOOD.
I FEEL LIKE, UM, I PERSONALLY FEEL LIKE WE SHOULD JUST, IF YOU COULD, IF YOU COULD LIGHTEN IT UP, IF THAT WOULD WORK.
I KNOW YOU'VE GOT THAT HOLE AND TABLATURE THAT WRAPS AROUND THAT IS PART OF THE BRICK.
BUT IF YOU COULD SIMPLIFY THAT SECTION THAT'S ON, ON THAT POP OUT ON THE SECOND FLOOR WITH A, WITH LESS OF A DETAILED DENTAL WORK, SORT OF, UM, CORNICE AND MAKE IT SIDING.
AND MAYBE THAT WOULD LIGHTEN UP WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE A HEAVY LOAD.
BUT I'M JUST, I, I PERSONALLY AM READY TO GO AHEAD WITH, WITH APPROVING THIS BECAUSE EVERY, THERE'S BEEN SO MUCH DONE TO THIS HOUSE THAT I, I THINK THIS IS NOT DETRIMENTAL.
I JUST, I JUST WANTED TO ASK, UM, WAS IT, WAS IT THE OWNER WHO ASKED FOR THE COLUMNS TO BE PLACED ON THE HOUSE? YES.
BECAUSE THE 1930S HOUSE DID NOT HAVE ANY COLUMNS.
SO, SO I MEAN, IT SEEMS LIKE WE'RE CHANGING THE INTENT OF THE HOUSE IF WE'RE, IF WE'RE LOOKING AT THE THIRTIES.
WE, WE TALKED ABOUT THIS IN JANUARY, AND WE, WE LOOKED BACK AT THE EXAMPLES OF, OF THE ARCHITECT'S WORK AND THE PROJECTS THAT HE HAD DONE AROUND THE AREA, AROUND THE AREA THAT WERE SIMILAR.
AND THIS ONE WAS BUILT RIGHT IN THE DEPRESSION.
AND WE, WE HAD COME TO THE CONCLUSION THAT, AND WE DON'T HAVE THE ORIGINAL DRAWINGS, THAT IT MIGHT NOT HAVE BEEN BILLED AS IT WAS ENVISIONED TO START WITH.
AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE REPORT, DID YOU, HAVE YOU SEEN THE REPORT THAT I TURNED IN THAT HAD THE EXAMPLES OF, OF HIS, THE ARCHITECT'S OTHER WORK? YES.
I, I DIDN'T HAVE, DON'T THINK I HAVE AN UPDATE FROM JANUARY UNLESS WHAT WE WERE SENT IS THE UPDATE.
SO I'M LOOKING AT THE, WHAT THE WHOLE, NOW THE WHOLE REPORT WITH ALL THE DRAWINGS AND THE HOUSES.
AND I THINK YOU CAN SCROLL BACK AND GET TO IT.
RIGHT? YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THESE OTHER EXAMPLES OF HIS ARCHITECTURE? YES.
IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT? YES.
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YEAH.AND THIS ONE IS JUST SUCH AN ANOMALY WITH, WITH ALL OF HIS, WE'RE LOOKING AT ALL OF HIS OTHER WORK AND THE FACT THAT IT WAS BUILT IN THE RIGHT, IN THE MIDDLE OF THE DEPRESSION, WELL, EVIDENTLY IT WAS BUILT AS A, A HUNTING LODGE, SO, UH, WHICH DOESN'T MEAN IT WOULD, IT WOULD NEED CONES OR NOT NEED CONES, BUT IT WAS NOT BUILT AS A, YOU KNOW, PLANTATION HOUSE IN THE THIRTIES.
SO MAY MAYBE THAT HAD SOMETHING TO DO WITH IT.
SO, AND THE OTHER QUESTION I JUST WANTED TO THROW IN, UM, ARE, IS THERE A LOT OF CARE BEING TAKEN TO PRESERVE THE, UH, THE CONFEDERATE FORCE, THE CONFEDERATE EARTH WORKS AND ALL BACK THERE? THERE IS.
BECAUSE EVIDENTLY THERE WAS A BATTLE RIGHT BEHIND THE HOUSE, UH, BACK IN THE JANUARY MEETING, I THINK, I'M TRYING TO REMEMBER, WAS THERE CONCERN ABOUT THE SIZE OF THOSE COLUMNS ON THE PORTICO? I THINK I REMEMBER THAT BEING BROUGHT UP.
SOMEONE MENTIONED THE, THE SIZE OF THOSE COLUMNS, AND WE, WE ANSWERED BY SAYING THAT THEY WERE, THEY, THEY'RE PRECISELY WHAT PALATE WOULD'VE DONE AS FAR AS THE DI THE DIAMETER UHHUH OF, OF THE COLUMNS IN THE SIZE OF THE FREEZE.
I, I'M KIND OF IN AGREEMENT WITH CATHERINE, THOUGH, WITH THE, THE BATHROOM THAT YOU PUT ON THERE AND THOSE PILINGS UNDERNEATH ARE THE COLUMNS UNDERNEATH.
UM, AND WELL, THAT BATHROOM WAS THE FORMER, IT WAS THE FORMER TEMPO.
YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE CIRCULAR BUILDING.
BUT YEAH, I, I MEAN, AND, AND MAYBE IF YOU COULD LIGHTEN IT UP BY USING, UM, CLAPBOARD OR SOMETHING THAT'S A LIGHTER, VISUALLY LIGHTER, BUT YEAH, I, YEAH, I CAN DO THAT.
I'M OKAY WITH, AND I CAN GET RID OF THE FREEZE TOO AND MAKE IT LOOK.
SO IT'S LIKE, SO IT LOOKS MORE LIKE WE'RE STILL GONNA DO THE PRESENTATION, YOU KNOW, AN ADDITION LATER ADDITION, BECAUSE IT STILL STICKS OUT.
ALTHOUGH THE IMPROVEMENTS IN THE GARDEN AND REDUCING THAT OUTDOOR SPACE DOES HELP, I THINK YOUR PROBLEM MIGHT BE THAT IT'S IN WHITE SO THAT WE CAN DISTINGUISH.
IT WANTS TO SHOW WHAT'S EXISTING RIGHT.
AND, AND I, I RENDERED IT THAT WAY.
AND I THINK YOU'RE RIGHT ABOUT THAT, THAT IT JUMPS OUT.
AND IT REALLY IS JUST A, A JUST A TOOL TO SHOW YOU.
I THINK IF IT WAS GRAY OUT, UM, IT WOULD BLEND IN BETTER.
IT BLEND IN A LOT BETTER, BUT IT DOES STICK OUT.
BUT THAT'S BECAUSE OF THE COLORING.
DO YOU WANT MAKE AM I WANT MAKE A MOTION.
I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE AS IS.
WAIT A MINUTE, KATHY, WHAT ABOUT THE LIGHTNING UP WITH, UM, USING SIDING AND, AND SIMPLIFYING THE, THE CORNICE? OKAY.
I
IS THAT ALL RIGHT? CATHERINE? I'LL SECOND THAT.
ALL IN FAVOR? I HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION.
OH, MAYBE WE'VE GOT ONE MORE QUESTION.
I, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE RULINGS ARE AS, AS FAR AS AN HISTORIC STATUS AND HOW THAT WORKS.
IF WE HAVE SUCH A DRASTIC CHANGE TO WHAT THE ORIGINAL HOUSE LOOKED LIKE, DOES THAT CHANGE IN ANY WAY? OR, WELL, THE THING IS, THE ORIGINAL HOUSE BURNT DOWN.
NO, I MEAN, THE THIRTIES, THE, THE WILLIAMS' HOUSE FROM THE THIRTIES, CATHERINE, CAN YOU ANSWER THAT NOW? I DON'T KNOW THAT ANSWER FOR SURE, BUT I JUST FEEL LIKE THERE HAVE BEEN SO MANY DIFFERENT THINGS ADDED ON, TAKEN AWAY, WHATEVER, THAT UM, IF IT WAS GONNA LOSE ITS NATIONAL REGISTER STATUS, WHATEVER THAT MIGHT'VE, YOU KNOW, THAT WOULD'VE ALREADY OCCURRED.
BUT I DON'T KNOW WHO DOES THAT, WHO WOULD DO THAT? THERE'S SOMEBODY GONNA COME IN FROM THE NATIONAL TRUST OR FROM THE STATE HISTORIC PRESERVATION OFFICE AND DO A SURVEY.
I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT HAPPENS.
AND, AND, AND THE HISTORIC STATUS WOULD'VE BEEN GIVEN TO THE HOUSE
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THAT STANDS NOW NOT TO THE ONE THAT BURNT DOWN OR, RIGHT, RIGHT.THE FIRST HOUSE THAT WAS THERE THAT BURNED OUT, AND THEN THIS HOUSE, I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT THAT LOOKED LIKE.
NOBODY, NOBODY HAS THE RECORD.
AND THEN THIS HOUSE, I MEAN, THE ENTIRE INTERIOR WAS GUTTED.
THAT'S KIND OF HOW THIS ALL GOT STARTED.
I DON'T THINK THERE'S MUCH, IT'S BEEN THROUGH SO MANY CHANGES.
IT REALLY DOESN'T HAVE AN ARCHITECTURAL STYLE, SO TO SPEAK.
SO THE MOTION THAT STANDS IS ON THE TABLE IS TO APPROVE IT AS IS WITH MODIFICATIONS TO THE PORTICUS AND THE LIGHTNING OF THE EXTERIOR.
IT'S THROUGH THE SECOND STORY BATHROOM EDITION MODIFICATIONS TO THE CORNICE IFICATION OF THE CORNICE.
UM, SO THE NEXT ORDER OF BUSINESS.
IS THE ABOVEGROUND SURVEY UPDATE PRESENTATION BY STANTEC? YES.
LET ME MAKE SURE I CAN SHARE MY SCREEN HERE.
AND IS THIS MEETING ALREADY RECORDING, OR, KRISTEN, DID YOU WANNA SPECIALLY RECORD THIS SECTION TO MAKE IT AVAILABLE LATER? IT'S BEING, IT'S BEING RECORDED ALREADY.
UH, I WILL START BY INTRODUCING MYSELF.
I'M AN ARCHITECTURAL HISTORIAN WITH STANTEC.
I'M THE PROJECT MANAGER FOR THIS PROJECT, AND I'VE GOT ALTHEA WONDER SELBY ON THE LINE WITH ME.
SHE WAS RECENTLY IN TOWN TO CONDUCT SOME OF THE EARLY RESEARCH FOR THE CONTEXT.
UM, SO IF WE HAVE ANY NITTY GRITTY QUESTIONS, I HOPE SHE CAN, UH, HELP ME ANSWER THEM.
SO TODAY WE ARE GONNA GIVE YOU AN OVERVIEW OF THE PROJECT, IT'S PURPOSE, A BREAKDOWN, THE DIFFERENT TASKS THAT ARE PART OF THE PROJECT, AND THEN REVIEW THE SCHEDULE.
SO THE IMAGE HERE SHOWS THE SURVEY AREA, UH, WHICH CORRESPONDS TO ST.
HELENA ISLAND AND THE UNINCORPORATED AREAS OF BEAUFORT COUNTY, SPECIFICALLY SOUTH OF THE BROAD RIVER.
AS YOU KNOW, THE COUNTY HAS CONTRACTED OUR FIRM TO CONDUCT A HISTORIC RESOURCES SURVEY OF THIS AREA.
AND HISTORIC RESOURCES SURVEYS ARE A TOOL THAT MUNICIPALITIES CAN USE TO IDENTIFY AND RECORD THEIR HISTORIC PROPERTIES.
UM, AS PART OF A SURVEY, THESE RESOURCES ARE ALSO PLACED WITHIN A HISTORIC CONTEXT TO BETTER UNDERSTAND THEIR SIGNIFICANCE, AND THEY CAN BE ASSESSED FOR ELIGIBILITY FOR THE NATIONAL REGISTER OF HISTORIC PLACES.
UH, MANY OF THESE THINGS THAT I'M SAYING MIGHT BE OLD HAT TO THIS COMMITTEE, BUT HOPING THAT WE'LL HAVE SOME, UH, BROADER AUDIENCE BE ABLE TO VIEW THIS POWERPOINT.
SO, UM, AND THIS PRESENTATION LATER, SO BEAR WITH ME AS I GO OVER SOME TERMS THAT, UM, MIGHT BE ALREADY FAMILIAR WITH, UH, YOU GUYS MIGHT ALREADY BE FAMILIAR WITH.
SO THIS PROJECT WILL BE FOCUSING SPECIFICALLY ON RESOURCES BUILT BETWEEN 1950 AND 1979.
AND THAT'S BECAUSE RESOURCES BUILT BEFORE 1950 WERE PREVIOUSLY SURVEYED.
UM, THERE MAY BE A NEED TO REVISIT SOME OF THOSE IN THE FUTURE.
UM, BUT THAT IS THE SCOPE OF THIS PROJECT.
UH, WE WILL ALSO BE, UM, RE DOCUMENTING PROPERTIES THAT WERE RECOMMENDED AS ELIGIBLE FOR THE NATIONAL REGISTER IN 1998, BUT THAT HAVE NOT BEEN SUBSEQUENTLY LISTED.
A REALLY IMPORTANT PART OF WHAT WE'RE DOING IS DEVELOPING A HISTORIC CONTEXT STATEMENT, WHICH REALLY HELPS GUIDE THE EVALUATION OF WHETHER OR NOT SOMETHING IS HISTORICALLY SIGNIFICANT.
BASICALLY, IT'S A WRITTEN FRAMEWORK THAT SERVES AS A TOOL FOR THE SURVEYORS.
UM, AND OUR, OUR PROJECT IS GONNA FOCUS ON POST WORLD WAR II HISTORY WITH A SPECIAL EMPHASIS ON BLACK HISTORY.
AND THE PROJECT IS FUNDED JOINTLY BY THE COUNTY AND FROM GRANTS ADMINISTERED BY THE SOUTH CAROLINA
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DIVISION OF ARCHIVES IN HISTORY.UM, I AM NOT ABLE TO SEE THE ROOM OR THE CHAT RIGHT NOW, SO IF ANYBODY WANTS TO JUMP IN WITH A QUESTION, PLEASE JUST SPEAK UP, UM, OR I CAN ANSWER QUESTIONS AT THE END.
SO THERE ARE THREE PRIMARY REASONS THAT THE COUNTY HAS UNDERTAKEN THIS PROJECT.
THE FIRST ONE IS TO UPDATE AND EXPAND ON THE CONTEXT THAT WAS WRITTEN FOR THAT 1998 SURVEY, UM, WHICH INCLUDED HISTORY THROUGH THE 1940S ONLY, AND THEN TO PROVIDE THE COUNTY WITH UPDATED RECOMMENDATIONS OF ELIGIBILITY FOR RESOURCES THAT WERE RECOMMENDED ELIGIBLE, BUT HAVE NOT BEEN LISTED YET.
AND THEN RECOMMENDATIONS FOR NATIONAL REGISTER, ELIGIBILITY FOR NEWLY RECORDED RESOURCES, INCLUDING DISTRICTS.
AND THEN FINALLY, TO SUPPORT THE COUNTY OR INDIVIDUAL PROPERTY OWNERS IN PURSUING FUTURE NATIONAL REGISTER NOMINATIONS FOR PROPERTIES THAT WE IDENTIFY IN THE SURVEY AREA.
THIS PROJECT HAS FOUR MAIN TASKS.
THE FIRST ONE IS COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT AND OUTREACH TO MAKE SURE THAT THE PUBLIC'S AWARE OF THE PROJECT AND HAS THE OPPORTUNITY TO SHARE THEIR KNOWLEDGE WITH US.
AND AS WE HEARD FROM MR. GLOVER, UH, RIGHT BEFORE THIS, UH, IT'LL BE IMPORTANT TO MAKE SURE WE TAILOR THAT TO THE COMMUNITY AND THE WAYS THAT THEY ARE COMFORTABLE, UM, GIVING THAT INFORMATION AND MAKING SURE THAT THAT'S ACCESSIBLE.
SO I KNOW KRISTEN HAS PLANS FOR A WORKSHOP, UM, ON ST.
HELENA, AND, UH, I THINK THAT'LL BE VERY USEFUL.
THE SECOND TASK IS HISTORIC CONS, CONTEXT DEVELOPMENT, AS I MENTIONED, UH, TO PROVIDE A FRAMEWORK FOR EVALUATING THESE RESOURCES THAT WE DOCUMENT.
THE THIRD ITEM IS THE SURVEY ITSELF, WHICH INCLUDES, UH, PRE-FIELD WORK PREPARATIONS, AND THE FIELD WORK.
AND THEN POST FIELD WORK AND REPORTING, WHICH INCLUDES MANAGING AND FINALIZING OUR DATA, SUMMARIZING THE RESULTS, AND COMING UP WITH RECOMMENDATIONS IN A REPORT.
SO OUR FIRST TASK, COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT AND OUTREACH IS ONGOING.
THIS MEETING IS A PIECE OF THAT CAMPAIGN.
UH, WE UNDERSTAND THAT THERE'S A LOT ABOUT THE POST WORLD WAR II ERA AND BLACK HISTORY THAT'S NOT IN THE HISTORY BOOKS YET.
SO THIS IS REALLY IMPORTANT TASK FOR OUR PROJECT.
UH, MR. GLOVER MENTIONED THE IMPORTANCE OF ORAL HISTORY TO THIS COMMUNITY.
SO WE WANNA GATHER AS MUCH INFORMATION FROM THE PUBLIC AS WE CAN.
IN ADDITION TO THIS MEETING TODAY, WE'LL BE PRESENTING, UH, THE RESULTS OF THE PROJECT.
AT ANOTHER MEETING IN NOVEMBER, THE COUNTY WILL BE POSTING UPDATES ON SOCIAL MEDIA, INCLUDING THEIR INSTAGRAM, UH, FACEBOOK X AND NEXTDOOR ACCOUNTS.
AND THEY'RE GONNA SEND OUT PERIODIC EMAIL BLASTS WITH MORE INFORMATION.
STAKEHOLDERS ARE ALSO BEING IDENTIFIED AND WILL BE INCLUDED IN THE EMAIL BLAST.
AND RIGHT NOW, WE ARE ASKING THE PUBLIC TO PARTICIPATE IN A LITTLE QUESTIONNAIRE AT THE LINK THAT'S DISPLAYED ON THE SCREEN.
UH, THAT IS TINYURL.COM/BC HISTORIC PLACES.
SO THIS LETS THE COMMUNITY MEMBERS SHARE THEIR KNOWLEDGE OF IMPORTANT, UH, HISTORIC RESOURCES, EITHER BY PLUGGING IN AN ADDRESS OR PINNING IT ON A MAP AND, AND TELLING US ABOUT IT.
UM, WE ENCOURAGE EVERYBODY TO MAKE USE OF THIS AND SHARE IT OUT WIDELY.
UM, AS OF YESTERDAY, I BELIEVE WE'D ONLY HAD MAYBE 10 OR SO RESPONSES, UM, SOME BLANK RESPONSES.
SO WE WOULD LOVE TO GET THE ENGAGEMENT ON THAT SURVEY.
UM, I GET THE LOCAL PAPER, AND I DON'T HA RECALL SEEING ANYTHING ABOUT IT IN THE BEAUFORT GAZETTE.
IS THAT ONE OF THE THINGS YOU'RE USING IS PRINT MEDIA OR JUST ONLINE? THAT WAS NOT PART OF THE CURRENT CAMPAIGN, BUT THAT'S A GREAT IDEA TO ADD THAT.
SO THE UHHUH, THE ONLY TWO PUBLIC MEETINGS ARE THIS ONE AND ONE AT THE END.
AREN'T YOU DOING SOMETHING? YEAH, WE'RE, I'M GONNA BE DOING SOMETHING, UM, FOR ST.
UM, THIS IS JUST THE ONLY ONE THAT STANTEC THEMSELVES ARE DOING.
AND THERE'LL BE ONCE JUST ST FOR ST.
I MEAN, THAT COULD BE AN OPTION.
UM, I'LL MAYBE TALK TO COUNSEL FOR THAT ONE.
BUT, UM, ME, I'M GONNA TALK TO YORK ABOUT, OR MR. GLOVER
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ABOUT DOING, UM, ONE FOR ST.WE NEED TO SCHEDULE EXACTLY WHERE AND WHERE.
AM I ALLOWED TO ASK A QUESTION? YEAH.
UH, UH, JUST A RECOMMENDATION FOR, FOR COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT PURPOSES.
THE, UH, THE POST OFFICE ON ST.
HELENA IS ACTUALLY A VERY, UH, GREAT TOUCH POINT.
SO IF YOU WANTED TO DISTRIBUTE THOSE QUESTIONNAIRES IN A FORMAT THAT IS FILL OUTABLE, AND THEN TAGABLE, UM, THEY COULD BE CONSOLIDATED, UH, AT SOME POINT.
BUT, UM, THAT'S A GOOD PLACE TO, UH, TOUCH PEOPLE OUT THERE.
ARE PEOPLE ALLOWED TO JUST PUT STUFF IN THE POST OFFICE? IS THAT I THINK SO.
YOU HAVE PERMISSION? THERE'S BOTH IF YOU GET PERMISSION OH, OKAY.
EVEN IF IT'S AN ANNOUNCEMENT THAT THIS IS HAPPENING, UH, UH, I'LL, UH, THE PAPER FOR THAT QUESTION.
I KNOW THERE'S SOME RULES ABOUT WHAT YOU, THERE'S FREE PAPERS AND EVERYTHING.
WE READY TO MOVE ON TO THE CONTEXT? SURE.
SO OUR SECOND TASK IS DEVELOPING A HISTORIC CONTEXT, WHICH IS ALSO ONGOING.
IT'S GONNA ADD THAT POST-WORLD WAR II HISTORY THAT WAS NOT INCLUDED IN THE 1998 SURVEY.
UH, AND WE'RE ALSO HOPING TO INCLUDE THE STORIES OF THE SURVEY AREAS, BLACK COMMUNITIES.
THE THEMES, UM, WILL BE LIKE BLACK HERITAGE POST-WAR TOURISM AND ARCHITECTURE, AND THE CIVIL RIGHTS MOVEMENT.
IT'S BEING DEVELOPED WITH INFORMATION FROM SECONDARY AND PRIMARY SOURCES GATHERED DIGITAL DIGITALLY.
AND DURING THE RESEARCH TRIP THAT ALTHEA RECENTLY MADE, THE THE CONTEXT IS NOT MEANT TO BE AN EXHAUSTIVE HISTORY OF AN AREA.
THERE, AGAIN, JUST A ROADMAP FOR IDENTIFYING PROPERTIES WITH HISTORIC SIGNIFICANCE.
UM, DURING HER RESEARCH TRIP, ALTHEA VISITED THE BEAUFORT DISTRICT COLLECTION, THE HISTORIC BLUFF BLUFFTON FOUNDATION, MORRIS CENTER FOR LOW COUNTRY HERITAGE, AND THE YORK BAILEY MUSEUM.
WE WILL BE COMPLETING THE HISTORIC CONTEXT AND SUBMITTING THAT TO THE COUNTY AND THE STATE BEFORE WE DO FIELD WORK FOR THEIR REVIEW TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN ACCURATELY ASSESS RESOURCES WITHIN THEIR HISTORIC CONTEXT.
THE FIELD WORK FOR THE SURVEY HAS THREE PHASES.
PRE-FIELD WORK, WINDSHIELD SURVEY, AND AN INTENSIVE LEVEL SURVEY BEFORE THE WINDSHIELD AND INTENSIVE SURVEYS, UM, WHICH ARE PLANNED FOR THE SUMMER.
WE'RE GONNA BE DEVELOPING A DIGITAL MAP IN GI S TO USE DURING FIELD WORK.
IT'S GONNA HAVE A DATABASE WITH THE SURVEY AREA BOUNDARY, THE PROPERTY BOUNDARIES TO THE EXTENT THAT THOSE ARE AVAILABLE FROM, UM, PARCEL DATA.
AND THOSE WILL BE COLOR CODED BY THEIR CONSTRUCTION DATE.
WE'RE GONNA HAVE HIGH RESOLUTION, MODERN AND HISTORIC AERIALS, UH, AND HISTORIC MAPS.
WE'RE ALSO GONNA POPULATE THAT MAP WITH THE HISTORIC RESOURCES IDENTIFIED BY THE COMMUNITY THROUGH THIS SURVEY, UM, SO THAT WE MAKE SURE WE INVESTIGATE THOSE APPROPRIATELY DURING THE FIELD WORK.
UM, WE WILL BE USING OUR TABLET COMPUTERS IN THE FIELD, AND WE'LL HAVE THOSE DIGITAL FIELD MAPS LOADED UP IN THERE FOR THE FIELD WORK.
SO WE ARE GONNA START WITH A WINDSHIELD SURVEY, WHICH CONSISTS OF BASICALLY DRIVING THE ENTIRE SURVEY AREA, LOOKING AT ALL THE PROPERTIES BUILT BETWEEN 1950 AND 1979, PAYING CLOSE ATTENTION TO THOSE IDENTIFIED BY THE PUBLIC AND THINGS THAT HAVE POPPED UP IN OUR RESEARCH.
SO WE WILL BE KIND OF CANVASSING THE WHOLE AREA FOR THOSE PROPERTIES THAT WE THINK HAVE THE HIGHEST POTENTIAL FOR NATIONAL REGISTER ELIGIBILITY BASED ON ARCHITECTURE OR HISTORICAL ASSOCIATIONS.
UM, TO BE ELIGIBLE FOR THE NATIONAL REGISTER, A PROPERTY MUST ALSO HAVE WHAT WE CALL INTEGRITY, UM, THAT FROM THE EXTERIOR, IT, IT SHOULD MORE OR LESS LOOK LIKE WHAT IT DID DURING THE HISTORIC PERIOD.
SO THAT'S KIND OF WHAT WE'RE GONNA BE KEEPING OUR EYES PEELED FOR, UM, IN THAT INITIAL PHASE OF THE SURVEY.
SO WE'LL MAKE A LIST OF THE PROPERTIES THAT WE INVESTIGATE AND THE ONES THAT WE THINK HAVE THE HIGHEST POTENTIAL FOR DESIGNATION.
AT THE END OF THE WINDSHIELD SURVEY PHASE, WE'LL HAVE A MAP AND THE LIST OF PLACES, UM, WE'RE GONNA COORDINATE WITH THE COUNTY TO FINALIZE THAT AND DETERMINE WHICH TO DOCUMENT AT THE INTENSIVE LEVEL.
AND THEN WE'LL GO BACK OUT, UM, TO VISIT THOSE PROPERTIES, PLUS THE ONES
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PREVIOUSLY IDENTIFIED IN 1998 AS ELIGIBLE.AND WE WILL DO PHOTOGRAPHY, TAKE NOTES ON THE ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES, RECORD THE PRECISE LOCATION WITH GPS, UM, GATHERING ALL OF THIS INFORMATION ON OUR TABLET, SO IT'S BACKED UP TO THE CLOUD.
UM, AND THIS, BOTH THE WINDSHIELD AND THE INTENSIVE SURVEY WILL BE DONE BY QUALIFIED ARCHITECTURAL HISTORIANS.
UM, THEY WILL STAY IN THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY UNLESS THEY HAVE PERMISSION, UH, TO ENTER THE PROPERTY, UH, BY THE OWNER.
SO AFTER FIELD, I'M SORRY TO, I'M SORRY TO INTERRUPT.
SO IF THE OWNER, IF A PROPERTY IS IDENTIFIED AND THE OWNER DOESN'T, DOESN'T WANT IT IN THIS LIST, IS THAT POSSIBLE? 'CAUSE I KNOW A LOT OF PEOPLE GET WORRIED, OH MY GOD, IF IT'S LISTED, THAT MEANS I CAN'T DO ANYTHING TO MY PROPERTY.
SO I THINK WE WOULD STILL, WE WOULD WORK WITH THEM TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY UNDERSTAND THE IMPLICATIONS OF DOCUMENTATION AND DESIGNATION AS THOSE ARE DIFFERENT.
SO I THINK THAT, UM, IF POSSIBLE WE WOULD STILL WANNA RECORD IT AND DOCUMENT IT IN THE SURVEY, AND THEN IT WOULD BE UP TO THE PROPERTY OWNER IF THEY WANTED TO ACTUALLY PURSUE LISTING.
NO LISTING WOULD BE OCCURRING WITHOUT THEIR PERMISSION.
SO AFTER FIELD WORK, UM, BACK IN THE OFFICE, WE'LL BE FINALIZING THE DATA THAT WE COLLECTED, UM, CONDUCTING ADDITIONAL RESEARCH, UM, GOING THROUGH A QUALITY CONTROL PROCESS, BEING REVIEWED BY OTHER HISTORIANS, UM, DISCUSSING THINGS AMONG EACH OTHER AND WITH THE COUNTY AS NECESSARY.
AND THEN COMPILING THAT INFORMATION INTO A REPORT AND OTHER PROJECT DELIVERABLES, THE SURVEY FORMS, UM, AND THE LIST OF PROPERTIES.
SO THAT WILL INCLUDE THE HISTORIC CONTEXT AND INVENTORY OF ALL THE SURVEYED RESOURCES, UH, AND DETAILED DESCRIPTIONS OF OUR NATIONAL REGISTER NOMINATIONS, UM, AND RECOMMENDATIONS FOR FUTURE WORK.
WE ARE ALSO GONNA BE PREPARING GIS DELIVERABLES, UM, AND ACCESS DATABASE.
AND THAT THE STATE USES AND DIGITAL PHOTOGRAPHS.
SO WE'RE HOPING THAT THIS WILL BE ABLE TO BE QUICKLY, UH, AND EASILY INTEGRATED INTO THE SYSTEMS THAT THE COUNTY AND THE STATE HAVE ALREADY.
AND HERE IS A LOOK AT THE SCHEDULE.
CURRENTLY WE'RE PERFORMING OUR RESEARCH AND STARTING THE PUBLIC OUTREACH.
THE DRAFT HISTORIC CONTEXT WILL BE DONE BY JUNE.
AND THEN WE'LL BE REVIEWED BY THE COUNTY AND THE STATE.
THE FIELD WORK, UH, IS ANTICIPATED TO OCCUR IN JULY OR AUGUST.
WE'LL THEN HAVE UNTIL NOVEMBER TO FINALIZE THE DATA AND SUBMIT THE DRAFT DELIVERABLES.
AND THEN AT THAT POINT, WE'LL HOLD THE SECOND PUBLIC MEETING TO DISCUSS THE OUTCOME OF THE SURVEY WITH THE PUBLIC.
UM, THEN THE COUNTY AND THE STATE WILL HAVE A REVIEW OF THE DRAFT AND WILL MAKE REQUESTED EDITS AND SUBMIT THE FINAL DELIVERABLES IN JANUARY, 2025.
UM, WITH THIS INFORMATION ABOUT ELIGIBILITY THAT HAS COME OUT OF OUR SURVEY, THE COUNTY AND INDIVIDUAL PROPERTY OWNERS CAN PURSUE ACTUAL LISTING OF THE PROPERTIES IF THEY WANT TO.
UM, THAT'S NOT PART OF WHAT WE'RE DOING, AND IT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD ONLY OCCUR IF THE PROPERTY OWNERS WISH TO DO THAT.
UM, THE INFORMATION WE HOPE WILL BE USEFUL FOR A WIDER AUDIENCE IF THE COUNTY AND RESIDENTS ARE INTERESTED.
THE INFORMATION COULD BE USED FOR LOTS OF OTHER PURPOSES, LIKE A LOCAL DESIGNATION, UM, PROGRAM OUTSIDE OF, UM, BEAUFORT, CITY OF BEAUFORT.
UH, THE COUNTY COULD USE THE SURVEY RESULTS TO GUIDE PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT INITIATIVES.
THE CON CAN BE USED FOR COMMUNITY HISTORY INITIATIVES LIKE BLACK HISTORY MONTH PROGRAMMING, TOUR DAYS, TOURISM, THAT SORT OF THING.
SO I THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME TODAY.
WE'RE EXCITED TO BE PART OF THIS PROJECT.
UM, WE'RE HOPING THAT WE CAN GET SOME MORE TRACTION ON OUR QUESTIONNAIRE.
AND I'VE, I'VE TAKEN NOTE OF MR. GLOVER'S CONCERN WITH THE CLOSING DATE.
WE'LL SEE IF WE CAN EXTEND THAT AND IF WE CAN FIND A WAY TO MAKE IT MORE ACCESSIBLE TO THOSE WITHOUT, UH, INTERNET.
UM, IF YOU'VE GOT ANY QUESTIONS AT THIS POINT, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER THEM.
OR, UM, KRISTEN MAY BE ABLE TO ANSWER FROM THE COUNTY'S PERSPECTIVE.
YOU HAVE QUESTIONS? I HAVE A, THIS IS CATHERINE.
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I HAVE A QUESTION I DIDN'T SEE ON ONE OF THE FIRST, UM, THINGS YOU SHOWED US.I DIDN'T SEE HISTORIC BUFORT FOUNDATION LISTED AS A RESOURCE.
ARE THEY, UM, A PART OF THIS? 'CAUSE FOR INSTANCE, THEY HOLD THAT EASEMENT THAT I MENTIONED EARLIER ON THE OAKS PLANTATION ON ST.
YEAH, THAT'S, I SPEAK TO THAT.
UM, SO WE DID REACH OUT TO THEM TO ASK IF THEY HAD ANY RESOURCES THEY WOULD RECOMMEND, AND THEY DID RESPOND VERY HELPFUL FOR THAT.
UM, BUT WITH THE, THE LENGTH OF OUR VISIT, IT WASN'T, UM, A VERY PROACTIVE USE OF TIME TO, TO GO TO THEIR ORGANIZATION.
BUT WE ARE IN CONTACT WITH THEM AND THEY ARE AWARE OF THE PROJECT.
IS HERITAGE LIBRARY ON HILTON HEAD AWARE OF THE PROJECT? YEP.
WE ALSO REACHED OUT TO THEM AS WELL.
UM, THEY COMMUNICATED THAT THEY, THEY DIDN'T REALLY HAVE ANYTHING RELEVANT TO THAT POST-WAR PERIOD.
UM, BUT AGAIN, THEY'RE AWARE OF THE PROJECT AND, AND KNOW SPECIFICALLY WHAT WE'RE RESEARCHING.
SO IF THEY DO HAVE INTEREST OR HAVE RESOURCES, I CAN RECOMMEND THEY HAVE OUR CONTACT INFORMATION.
WHAT ABOUT, UM, QUEEN QUIT? SHE SEEMS TO BE THE PULSE OF THE GULLAH COMMUNITY.
CERTAINLY SHE IS ON THE, THOSE EMAIL BLASTS AND IS AWARE OF THE PROJECT TOO.
AND WE DEFINITELY WANNA, UM, TAP HER IS A GREAT RESOURCE FOR THIS PROJECT.
ALRIGHT, CHRISTIAN, I, I CAN TELL YOU QUEEN QUT IS OUT OF TOWN FOR THIS MEETING.
SHE WAS VERY DISAPPOINTED THAT NO ONE HAS COME OUT TO ST.
HELENA AND SPOKEN TO THE COMMUNITY.
UH, DISAPPOINTED MIGHT BE AN UNDERSTATEMENT.
UM, SHE WANTS YOU ALL TO COME OUT THERE AND SHE WANTS OUR PEOPLE TO GIVE YOU THEIR INFORMATION.
PERSONALLY, NOT A LOT OF SOCIAL MEDIA GOING ON, ON ST.
HENA, ALAH PEOPLE ARE OF COURSE INVOLVED.
UH, THEY HAVE ALL THAT, BUT THEY DON'T, THAT'S NOT THEIR FORM OF COMMUNICATING.
THEIR FORM OF COMMUNICATING IS MEETING AND TALKING AND TELLING, AS YORK MENTIONED.
SO I, AS A COMMITTEE MEMBER OF THE CULTURAL PROTECTION OVERLAY, I CAN TELL YOU YOU NEED TO GET OUT TO ST.
HELENA AND YOU PROBABLY NEED TO DO IT RATHER QUICKLY.
UH, THE QUEEN IS WAITING
HAVE YOU ANY KNOWLEDGE OF TOBI? TOBI AT LANDAN ROAD? YES.
WE DON'T LIKE TO USE THAT WORD.
THE OWNERS NOW WOULD NEVER ALLOW YOU TO CALL IT A PLANTATION.
IT IS AN ESTATE NOW, BUT HISTORICALLY THE HOUSE WAS BUILT IN 1798 OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
DO YOU KNOW THE OWNERS? WE DO NOT KNOW THE OWNERS, BUT WE WOULD DEFINITELY LOVE TO HAVE THEIR CONTACT INFORMATION.
I'M, I'M KIND OF ONE OF THE CARETAKERS THERE, SO I CAN HELP YOU WITH THAT.
ONE OF THE PROBLEMS IS THAT IF YOU, I DIDN'T PUT TOMMY IN MY LITTLE BOOK FOR EXAMPLE, BECAUSE I'VE, GOSH, I'VE, I'VE WORKED THERE FOR OVER A DECADE AND I CAN TELL YOU THAT THEY DON'T WANT PEOPLE DRIVING DOWN TOBI ROAD AND LOOKING DOWN THEIR DRIVEWAY.
SO THEY'VE REALLY TRIED TO KEEP A LOW PROFILE, BUT I THINK IT MIGHT BE SOMETHING IMPORTANT FOR YOU TO CHECK ON.
SINCE TOBI AND COFFIN POINT ARE THE TWO MAJOR ESTATES LEFT ON ST.
THERE'S FROGMORE MANOR AND I THINK THE SANDERS HAVE ANOTHER ONE.
BUT I WOULD SAY TOMBY AND COFFIN POINT WERE THE TWO ANCHORS OF SOCIETY ON ST.
UM, WHAT YEAR WERE THOSE BILL? UH, COFFIN POINT 1803.
I MEAN, IT'S PROBABLY ALREADY ON THERE.
WHICH IS WHAT I MEAN, WE NEED TO MAKE SURE WE'RE STAYING WITHIN THE SCOPE OF 1950.
WELL, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE STAY WITHIN THE SCOPE OF THE GULLAH CULTURE.
SO TOBI IS SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE, YOU NEED TO BE AWARE OF IT.
WELL, AND YORK WAS, YORK WAS TALKING ABOUT, UM, INVOLVING LESSER BUILDINGS.
I MEAN, WE'RE NOT WEALTHY PEOPLE.
WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF THESE BIG ESTATES OR ANYTHING, BUT WHAT WE HAVE IS PRECIOUS AND WORTH PRESERVING.
SO THAT'S HOW THE COLOR PEOPLE FEEL.
BUT YOU KNOW, HAVING WORKED ON THIS FOR 30 YEARS, I KIND OF HAVE A POINT OF VIEW THAT IS VALID.
SO ONE OF THE CONCERNS FOR, FROM SEVERAL PEOPLE IS, AND WE UNDERSTAND THE SCOPE OF THIS, DOES NOT HAVE TO DO WITH BEFORE, IT'S NOT FREE WORLD WAR II.
UM, SO IS THERE PLAN IN THE FUTURE TO REVISIT THIS, TO INCLUDE
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SOME THAT WERE MISSED THE FIRST TIME BY BROCKINGTON? I MEAN THAT COULD DEFINITELY, I WOULD HOPE SO.I MEAN, I'M JUST ASKING, I DON'T KNOW.
UM, WE WOULD'VE TO, THAT WOULD'VE TO BE LIKE A WHOLE NOTHER FISCAL YEAR.
THIS IS JUST, RIGHT NOW THIS IS BECAUSE THE GRANT THAT WE PURSUED WAS SPECIFICALLY DURING THE CIVIL RIGHTS ERA.
UM, SO WE AREN'T NECESSARILY REVISITING.
UM, WE ARE, WE TALKED ABOUT IT.
WE ARE OPEN TO DO THAT IN THE FUTURE.
UM, FOR RIGHT NOW, THIS, THIS IS JUST KIND OF A SMALLER PROJECT TO GET UP TO DATE WITH EVERYTHING.
RIGHT? 'CAUSE IT'S OBVIOUSLY AFTER.
IF YOU GO BACK TO THE PRESENTATION, IT DID STATE THAT, UH, THE SURVEY THAT WAS DONE IN 1998, THOSE THAT WEREN'T IN THE NATIONAL REGISTRY WOULD BE, YOU WOULD LOOK AT THOSE AGAIN.
UNDER, SO THE ONES THAT ARE UNDERSTANDING THAT, UM, WERE LOOKED AT AS HAVING SOME ELIGIBILITY OR FURTHER, UM, TO BE FURTHER LOOKED AT, THOSE ARE GOING TO ALSO BE PART OF THAT.
UM, THEY'RE JUST NOT, IF THEY'RE NOT LISTED WHICH PROJECT.
SO THEY MIGHT NOT BE LISTED RIGHT FROM THE SURVEY, PREVIOUS SURVEY, BUT IF THEY WERE ALREADY MISSED, IF THEY, IF THEY WERE MISSED THE FIRST TIME, YEAH.
LIKE THOSE PLACES HIDDEN IN THE WOODS, LIKE THE TABBY RUINS, THEY WON'T BE LOOKED AT.
THE SCOPE OF THIS IS NOT FOR THAT.
FOR THAT, I GUESS A KEY WORD FOR ME WOULD BE LINKAGE.
YOU HAVE ONE PERIOD THAT'S BEEN STUDIED, YOU'RE DOING ANOTHER.
WHAT YOU WANT TO MAKE SURE IS THAT THERE'S A LINK BETWEEN THOSE TWO.
YOU DON'T WANNA START THIS OFF WITHOUT SHOWING SOME OF WHAT HAPPENED.
SO THE KEY TO ME WOULD BE INCLUDING THAT LINKAGE.
EVEN IF YOU HAD TO SAY THIS WAS DONE BEFORE AND YOU BACK THIS, BUT HERE'S SOMETHING THAT PUTS THESE TWO TOGETHER.
BECAUSE EVENTUALLY YOU WANNA TALK, TELL YOUR WHOLE STORY.
I THINK YOU DON'T WANNA, YEAH.
AND Y WILL, I MEAN Y'ALL WILL BE ABLE TO LINK A LOT OF THESE NEW STR NOT NEW STRUCTURES, BUT POST THE LAND AND EVERY, THE, THE BUILDINGS WITH PREVIOUS USE.
THAT WOULD BE VERY IMPORTANT WHEN YOU COME TO ST.
HELENA TO LET PEOPLE KNOW WHAT YOU'VE ALREADY IDENTIFIED.
'CAUSE THEY WILL BE FLYING BLIND SINCE IT HASN'T BEEN PUBLISHED.
I'VE BEEN ON THIS BOARD A LONG TIME AND I KNOW ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE MADE A SITE VISIT WAS WHEN TOBI WAS BEING RENOVATED THE SECOND TIME.
NOT WHEN TURNER DID IT, BUT THE NEXT ONE, I BELIEVE THAT WAS WHEN DEBORAH ANN AND SIDNEY SNELLGROVE OWNED.
IT WAS WHEN DEBORAH ANN AND SIDNEY SNELLGROVE OKAY.
THEY DID A LOT OF WORK WITH CYNTHIA COLE JENKINS.
SO AT LEAST WE WERE INVOLVED WITH TOBI BACK THEN TO MAKE SURE THOSE CHANGES WERE UP TO, THAT WAS ALL DONE ACCORDING TO THE RULES.
WELL, SANDY YEARLY, UH, RESTORED.
TOBI UHHUH
I KNOW I, I THINK SOME OF THE HOUSES THAT ARE IN THE TOBI AREA ARE WORTHY OF YES MA'AM.
LOOKING AT THE LITTLE FRAME HOUSES.
AND THEY PROBABLY WERE A LITTLE BEFORE, UM, 1950.
UM, I KNOW THEY WERE THERE IN 67 BECAUSE THAT'S WHEN I ARRIVED IN THE AREA.
WE APPRECIATE THE PRESENTATION AND WE'LL BE SEEING A LOT OF Y'ALL IN THE COMING MONTHS.
PEOPLE DOING THE FIELD SURVEY IN JULY AND AUGUST.
NEED SOME MOSQUITO NUTS FOR SURE.
LIKE SHE, ALRIGHT, UM, I GUESS COURSE, MAY I ASK A QUESTION? UH, WHAT IS THE APRIL 4TH DEADLINE FOR QUESTIONNAIRE THAT CLOSES THEN? WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? SO THEY HAVE SOME SURVEY.
UM, AND YOU CAN GET ONLINE AND, AND TAKE THE QUESTIONNAIRE AND AS IT STANDS NOW THE DEADLINE IS APRIL 4TH, BUT THEY'RE POSSIBLY GOING TO BE ABLE TO EXTEND IT.
WHAT ABOUT THOSE PEOPLE THAT DON'T USE THAT'S LOOKING, THEY'RE GOING TO LOOK IN THE POSSIBILITY PUT IN THE POST OFFICE.
HOPEFULLY IN THE NEXT TWO WEEKS.
BUT IT MAY BE NEXT WEEK OR WITHIN THE
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NEXT TWO.UM, I NEED GUYS STILL FIGURE OUT THE FREE PAPER THAT PEOPLE GET THAT YOU DON'T HAVE TO PAY FOR IT.
IF YOU WANNA EXPAND YOUR YEAH, THERE'S, I WAS TRYING TO THINK OF THAT.
WHAT WAS THAT? UH, SUGGESTION FOR PREPAYING FOR SOMETHING.
IF IT'S IN FREE PUBLICATIONS, IT WOULD BE BEST.
JUST THINK ABOUT HOW OH, LIKE ISLAND NEWS, FRIENDS, FAMILY AND ALL THAT.
LOW COUNTRY WEEKLY THAT IS NOT, IS NOT FREE, BUT YEAH.
BUT THE ISLAND NEWS IS REALLY YEAH, BUT WHAT REALLY NEED TO DO IS HAVE A PERSONAL MEETING WITH THE COMMUNITY.
MOST OF THEM AREN'T GOING TO BE READING THAT AND THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE LOOKING AT THAT.
BUT THEY WILL ATTEND THE PERSONAL PUBLIC MEETING.
BUT YOU HAVE TO ADVERTISE ABSOLUTELY.
THE MEETING ITSELF, YOU DON'T SEE THAT THAT SOUTH ABROAD NEEDS, NEEDS ONE.
SOUTH ABROAD NEEDS ONE AS WELL.
UM, YOU'RE GONNA GET BETTER TURNOUT AND I WOULD SAY NOT DURING THE DAY IS MY RECOMMENDATION.
SO TO DATE, CAN STANEC TELL US HOW, HOW UM, UH, THE PERCENTAGE OF, UH, QUESTIONNAIRES THEY HAVE TO DATE THAT ARE COMPLETED? YEAH.
LET ME SEE IF I CAN PULL THAT UP.
I DON'T HAVE IT OPEN RIGHT NOW.
WHILE YOU'RE DOING THAT IS HOW WOULD WE ACCESS YOUR ORIGINAL OR THE, THE ONE YOU DID BEFORE 19? THE ONE FROM THE NINETIES? YES.
AND THAT WAS BY A DIFFERENT CONSULTANT, BUT IT IS, I BELIEVE IT IS PUBLISHED SOMEWHERE ONLINE.
IF YOU JUST GO ONTO THE COUNTY'S WEBSITE AND THERE'S LIKE A SEARCH BAR, YOU CAN JUST TYPE IN, I THINK HISTORIC PRESERVATION OR A ABOVEGROUND SURVEY AND THEN I'LL GO TO GO TO IT AND THEN YOU'LL SELECT LIKE YOUR AREA.
IT'S, THAT'S A LITTLE FAST FOR ME.
UH, GO TO THE COUNTY WEBSITE AND HISTORIC PRESERVATION.
IF YOU SEARCH HISTORIC PRESERVATION, IT MAY BE LIKE THE SECOND LINK THAT COMES.
UM, OR YOU CAN JUST SEARCH ABOVE GROUND SURVEY ABOVE GROUND SURVEY AND IT'LL POP UP TOO.
UM, AND YOU CAN JUST GO THROUGH THOSE.
THEY'RE EACH INDIVIDUALLY THERE.
WHAT ABOUT, UM, ELIZABETH, I DON'T KNOW ELIZABETH BISHOP'S LAST NAME NOW.
UM, SHE'S, UH, ARE YOU FAMILIAR WITH ELIZABETH? WHO ARE YOU TALKING TO? I'M TALKING TO ANYBODY THAT'S LISTENING.
HER, HER FATHER WAS SONNY BISHOP.
I DON'T KNOW ELIZABETH THOUGH.
WHAT ABOUT ELIZABETH? WELL, SHE'S WRITTEN A BOOK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THAT AREA AND SHE SEEMS TO BE A WEALTH OF HISTORIC INFORMATION.
AND I, I ONLY KNOW ALL THAT FROM FACEBOOK.
DO YOU HAVE SOME SORT OF SOMETHING THAT CAN GO OUT ON VARIOUS FACEBOOK SITES? SONNY WAS AN AMAZING SOURCE OF HISTORICAL INFORMATION.
AND HE'S LIKE, AND THERE MAY BE LOTS AND YEAH, LARRY ROWLAND USED TO OWN DO TALK.
UM, SO THERE, THERE ARE LOTS OF RESOURCES OUT THERE.
THERE MAY BE JUST SO MUCH STUFF, SO MUCH RESOURCES OUT THERE THAT Y'ALL HAVE TO GET A WAREHOUSE
I'VE GOT THE, UH, THE SURVEY UP HERE AND CAN LET YOU GUYS KNOW OUR RESULTS SO FAR.
SO WE'VE HAD SEVEN NO RESPONSES.
SO WE, WE DON'T HAVE A PLACE WE KNOW ABOUT THAT WE WANNA TELL YOU.
I WILL SAY MOST OF THE YES RESPONSES ARE PROPERTIES THAT PREDATE THE 1950S.
SO NOT THINGS WE'LL BE SURVEYING, BUT CERTAINLY STILL RELEVANT INFORMATION TO KNOW.
UM, BUT YEAH, SO FAR ONLY 11 POSITIVE RESPONSES.
WELL, THE GULL PEOPLE AREN'T GONNA THAT WAY, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, THEY'LL RESPOND, BUT ONCE YOU GET 'EM IN A PUBLIC MEETING TOGETHER.
WELL NO, THE THE GALA COMMUNITY, YOU'VE GOTTA HAVE COME, YOU HAVE TO GO PUBLIC BECAUSE THAT'S THE ONLY WAY YOU'RE GONNA GET, WE ALL GOT LEFT BEHIND IN THE, IN THE DIGITAL TRANSFORMATION.
AND SOME OF THOSE LITTLE HOUSES ARE PROBABLY THE ONES MY GREAT-GRANDFATHER BUILT.
AND THAT'S WHY THEY'RE SO VALUABLE TO US.
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CHERISH THEM.BUT I GAVE THEM A HOME AND LION SHELTER.
CAN I GET A MOTION FOR ADJOURNMENT? I MAKE A MOTION TO ADJOURN.