[IX.1. Certificate of Appropriateness: A request by Pearce Scott Architects, on behalf of the Owner, Billy Watterson, for approval of a Certificate of Appropriateness - HD to allow the construction of a new 1,999 SF 1-story retail building in the Ma Daisy's Porch Development Plan, on the parcel currently addressed as 24 Ma Daisy's Way, in the Old Town Bluffton Historic District and zoned Neighborhood General - HD. (COFA-12-23-018754) (Staff - Katie Peterson)]

COMMENT AND OR BUSINESS WE'RE GOING TO MOVE ON TO NEW BUSINESS THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS I WILL HAVE TO USE MYSELF ON THIS AND THE NEXT ONE WITH VICE-CHAIR BECAUSE SHE ALL OF HER BEING VICE CHAIR AND ACTING CHAIR I CAN HELP WALK YOU THROUGH SOME OF THE THINGS SO THAT SINCE THIS IS YOUR FIRST MEETING AS VICE CHAIR HERE AND ALSO THE FIRST ITEM THAT IS UP SO I WILL WALK YOU THROUGH A LITTLE BIT OF IT.

OKAY. I SEE WHERE I'M AT HERE. CORRECT.

SO COMMISSIONER IS THE REQUEST THAT WE HAVE BEFORE US IS BY AMANDA DENMARK OF COURSE ARCHITECTS THERE IS HERE ON BEHALF OF THE OWNER BILLY WATERSON FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF A NEW THOUSAND 999 SQUARE FOOT 1 TO 1 STORY RETAIL BUILDING IN THE MODERNIZES THESE PORTS DEVELOPMENT PLAN WHICH IS ON THE OAK THE PARCEL CURRENTLY ADDRESSED TO FOR MY DAISY WAY IT'S IN THE OLD HOME BLUFFTON HISTORIC DISTRICT AND IT IS KNOWN AS NEIGHBORHOOD GENERAL HD.

THIS IS SITE RIGHT HERE SO DIRECTLY IN FRONT OF IS THE DEER TONGUE WAREHOUSE AND THEN TO THE RIGHT IT IF YOU'RE FACING THE BUILDING IS THAT L-SHAPED PARCEL THAT HAS THE BAKERY AND RESTAURANT THAT WE REVIEWED TWO MONTHS AGO MAYBE WAS LAST MONTH FOR THIS SAME AREA SO MY DAISY'S WAY IS THE TO THE LEFT HERE WHICH IS THE OF THIS LOT THEY ARE REQUESTING A ALLOWANCE TO HAVE THEIR BUILDING SET BACK FURTHER FROM THE FRONT BUILD TO LINE THAN THE UDAS SPECIFICALLY ALLOWS BUT THERE IS A OF THE UTO WHICH ALLOWS FOR THE DEVIATION FROM WHEN THERE ARE EXISTING FEATURES NATURAL FEATURES THE NEED FOR OUTDOOR PATIOS, CAFES ETC. WHICH IN THIS CASE THIS PARKING LOT IS ALREADY ESTABLISHED AND IT IS NOT IT

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BEING PROPOSED AS MOVED. SO I FIND THAT THAT IS MORE THAN ACCEPTABLE TO ALLOW THE BUILDING PLACEMENT AS IT IS CURRENTLY HERE. SO THIS IS TECHNICALLY A SIDE SETBACK ON THE BOTTOM OF YOUR SCREEN AND THEN ON THE TOP OF YOUR SCREEN AND THE REAR SETBACK IS BETWEEN THIS BUILDING AND THE BAKERY WHICH IS THIS BUILDING RIGHT HERE AND DO MEET THOSE SETBACKS FOR THE SIZE AND REAR THE FIRST FLOOR PLAN IS PRETTY SIMPLE IT'S AN OPEN MARKET DESIGN I BELIEVE THE INTENT IS TO BE SIMILAR TO THE ONE THAT IS UP IN CHARLESTON IF. YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH THAT ONE WHERE IT WILL HAVE THE VENDORS INSIDE OF IT. BUT THE FLOOR PLAN BASICALLY CONSISTS OF AN OPEN FLOOR PLAN WITH THE ELECTRICAL ROOM AND THEN JANITOR'S CLOSET WHICH OPENS THE OUTSIDE.

BUT THIS IS THE EXTENT OF YOUR FLOOR PLAN. THE ROOF PLAN IS ALSO SIMPLE WITH ASPHALT SHINGLE ROOF AND METAL ROOFS ON THE SHED ROOFS THAT ARE OVER THE ENTRANCE EXIT ON EITHER END OF THE STRUCTURE. SO FOR THE ELEVATIONS YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE FRONT WHICH FACES INTERNAL TO THE PARKING LOT UP IN THE TOP CORNER HERE AND THE RIGHT SIDE HERE.

SO THIS WOULD BE THE SIDE THAT FACES TOWARDS ME RIVER ROAD BUT DON'T WORRY BECAUSE IF YOU'RE CONFUSED THIS IS THE SIDE THAT FACES AWAY FROM THE RIVER ROAD WHICH IS ALMOST THE SAME EXCEPT IT DOES HAVE THAT SERVICE DOOR RIGHT HERE AS WELL AS AN ELECTRIC METER SO THAT'S FACING THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY AND NOT TOWARDS MAIN RIVER ROAD SO THAT'S GOOD OF THE PLACEMENT THERE. AND THEN THIS IS THE REAR ELEVATION WHICH FACES TOWARDS THE BAKERY BUILDING IS ON THE LOT NEXT TO IT SO THIS IS INTERNAL TO THE SITE AGAIN THEY'RE FAIRLY SIMILAR ON BOTH SIDES AND BOTH ENDS OF THE STRUCTURE FAIRLY SIMPLE IN DESIGN THERE ARE SOME WALL SECTIONS I'M HAPPY TO COME BACK TO ANY OF THESE AND THEN MY MY MY PAGE OF DETAILS THAT I HAVE CRAMMED ALL IN ONE PAGE SO THAT IF WE NEED TO ZOOM IN TO ONE I AM HAPPY TO DO SO. I WON'T SPEND TOO MUCH TIME THERE FOR THE DOORS.

THE ONLY DOOR THAT IS TRULY A DOOR IS THE SMALL MAN DOOR THAT IS AT BOTH THE AND THE ELECTRIC ROOM AND THE EXTERIOR JANITOR'S CLOSET. THE UTILITY ROOM IS WHAT I WAS GOING TO SAY THERE BUT THE OUTSIDE ON THE REAR THIS DOOR IS RIGHT HERE AND THEN THEY HAVE THE DOOR DETAILS FOR THE JAMES AND THE CASINGS FOR THAT AND THEN WE HAVE THE THERE ARE NO WINDOWS SO THEY'RE NOT INCLUDED THE CANOPY COVERAGE IS HERE SO IT SHOWS THIS IS THE LOT RIGHT HERE. SO IT IS MEETING THE CANOPY COVERAGE CALCULATION REQUIREMENTS AND THEN THERE'S A SECTION OF THE FENCE THE REST OF THE LANDSCAPE I HAVE THE ONE FOR THIS SITE HERE BUT I REMOVED THE REST OF THE LANDSCAPE PLAN FROM YOUR PACKET BECAUSE IT IS NOT PERTINENT TO THIS SITE IT IS THE REST OF THE DEVELOPMENT.

SO THESE ARE THE ITEMS THAT REFLECTS THIS SITE RIGHT HERE AND SO YOU'VE GOT YOUR CANOPY TREES AND YOUR ISLAND TREE THAT IS PART OF THE PARKING LOT AS WELL AS THE FOUNDATION THAT CIRCLED THE WHOLE BUILDING. I AM HAPPY TO GO BACK TO ANYTHING THAT YOU GUYS WOULD LIKE TO SEE BUT THE HPC CONSIDERS THE EIGHT CRITERIA WHICH ARE SET FORTH IN SECTION 318 THREE OF OUR UNIFIED DEPARTMENT ORDINANCE WHEN THEY ASSESS AN APPLICATION FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS AND ARE AUTHORIZED TO APPROVE THE APPLICATION SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT, APPROVE THE APPLICATION WITH CONDITIONS OR DENY APPLICATION AS SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT IF THEY FIND THEY DO NOT MEET THOSE CRITERIA IN THAT SAME SECTION THAT WENT THROUGH THIS APPLICATION AND FOUND THAT WITH THE FOLLOWING ITEMS ADDRESSED THEY COULD THAT IT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE TO APPROVE IT AS THEY FIND IT MEETS THE GUIDELINES IN THAT SECTION SO THE THREE ITEMS ARE RUN THROUGH THEM. MR. CHAIR IF THAT'S OKAY REAL QUICK BECAUSE THEY ARE BRIEF SO THE FIRST ONE IS THAT THERE ARE NO EXTERIOR MECHANICALS SHOWN ON THIS SITE. IF THERE IS TO BE A SERVICE YARD IT WOULD NEED TO BE SHOWN AND THE DETAILING FOR IT AND THE DETAILING FOR IT PROVIDED BECAUSE IT IS AN OPEN AIR IT IS POSSIBLE THAT THERE IS NO OUTSIDE MECHANICALS. SO I DID PUT THE CAVEAT ON THERE THAT OTHERWISE NO MECHANICAL EXTRA MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT IS PERMITTED SO IT NEEDS EITHER BE SHOWN ON A SERVICE YARD OR NOT BE SHOWN ON THE OUTSIDE.

BASICALLY WHICH IS POTENTIALLY JUST FINE. THE INFORMATION ABOUT THE DOWN SPOT LOCATION SLASH, RAIN CHAIN SO THE DOWNSIDE THERE ARE GUTTERS ALONG THE ROOFLINE ON BOTH SIDES OF THE BUILDING. THEY HALF ROUND GUTTERS WHICH MEANS OUR ORDINANCE REQUIREMENTS AND THERE'S A NOTE THAT SAYS THE RAIN CHAIN RAIN CHAINS BE PROVIDED BUT WE JUST WANT TO SEE THE LOCATION OF WHERE THOSE WOULD BE TO MAKE SURE THEY'RE NOT GOING.

YOU RIGHT IN FRONT OF DOORS AND THINGS LIKE THAT AND SO THEY LIKELY JUST BE AT THE CORNERS

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AND NOT HAVE ANY BREAKS IN THE MIDDLE. SO IF THAT'S THE CASE THERE SHOULD BE NO ISSUE. WE JUST NEED TO SEE THOSE LOCATIONS AND THEN THE LAST IS ABOUT THE SHUTTER OPERATION. SO THE SHUTTERS THAT ARE SEEN ON THE SIDE ELEVATIONS HERE THE WAY OUR ORDINANCE IS IT SAYS THAT THE SHUTTERS SHALL BE HINGED AND OPERABLE AND SIZE TO FIT THE OPENINGS ON WHICH THEY ARE PLACED. SO THESE ARE OPERABLE AND THEY DO 50 OPENINGS IN WHICH THEY'RE PLACE BUT THEY'RE SHOWN A SLIDING SHUTTER RATHER THAN A HINGED SHUTTER. AND SO IN ORDER TO MEET THAT REQUIREMENT THEY WOULD NEED TO BE MODIFIED A HINGE PROFILE. AND SO THE HARDWARE THAT GOES ALONG WITH THAT IN A DETAIL IT UP TO THE HPC TO MAKE DETERMINATIONS ON APPROPRIATENESS OF DEVIATIONS FROM OUR WHEN IT COMES TO A DESIGN STANDARD IF YOU SEE FIT THIS BUILDING NOT THIS BUILDING A BUILDING SIMILAR THIS ONE BUT TWO STORIES AND A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT WAS PROPOSED IN THE SITE ALONG WITH THE OTHER BUILDINGS WHEN THEY CAME THROUGH SINCE THEN THEY HAVE MODIFIED THE BUILDING, TAKEN OFF THE SECOND STORY AND MADE CHANGES IT THIS IS A NEW CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS APPLICATION. IT IS REVIEWED AS A NEW CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS APPLICATION. HOWEVER I WILL SAY THAT IN THIS LOCATION PREVIOUSLY THEY DID ALLOW FOR A SLIDING SHUTTER DOOR ON THIS ELEVATION DUE TO THE USE OF THE BUILDING AND THE CONFIGURATION. SO THAT IS SOMETHING TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION YOU DO NOT NEED TO CONSIDER IT MORE HEAVILY THAN YOU WOULD OTHERWISE BUT I AM OFFERING THAT INFORMATION BECAUSE SOME OF YOU WERE NOT SITTING ON THE COMMISSION AT THE TIME THAT THAT DID COME THROUGH AND SO THERE IS SOME PRECEDENT FOR ALLOWING IT IN THIS LOCATION. BUT AGAIN IT IS A NEW BUILDING, IT IS A NEW DESIGN SO IT IS UP TO YOU ALL ON THE APPROPRIATENESS OF THAT OPERATION FOR, THE STRUCTURE, THE MOST IMPORTANT THE WAY THAT THE STAFF COMMENT IS PHRASED IN HERE SHOULD YOU DECIDE TO MAKE A MOTION THE STAFF CONDITIONS IT IS PHRASED THAT IT WOULD NEED TO BE REVISED.

SO IF THAT IS NOT THE CASE PLEASE MAKE SURE THAT YOU DO SPECIFY IF YOU MAKE A CHANGE TO THAT SO THAT'S ALL I HAVE. I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE.

LIKE I SAID, FAIR IS HERE TO SPEAK BEHALF OF THE APPLICATION AND ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE AS WELL DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF AND QUESTIONS SO THE ON THE EXTERIOR THOSE BIG OPEN WINDOWS BIG OPEN AREAS IS THAT IS THE INTENTION THAT EVERYBODY GOES INSIDE TO PURCHASE IN THE MARKET OR WILL PEOPLE BE ABLE TO PURCHASE ON THE OUTSIDE THROUGH THOSE BIG WINDOWS. I'M GOING TO LET THE APPLICANT SPEAK TO THAT IF THAT'S OKAY.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR ME OR IS THERE A REASON THAT YOU INTERPRETED THESE AS SHUTTERS NOT BARN DOORS? RIGHT. BECAUSE THERE'S A NEW WALL THAT IS IN FRONT OF THEM AND SO THEY'RE AND THEY'RE IDENTIFIED AS SHUTTERS ON THEIR THEIR BUILDING PLAN ON THE CONCEPTUAL APPLICATION THEY DID ACTUALLY HINGE I BELIEVE SO THEY WERE I A LARGE SHUTTER TO COVER THIS WINDOW TO OPENING ON THE SIDE ELEVATION I MAINTAINED THEM THERE BUT A BARN DOOR THERE'S NOTHING THAT REALLY IN PARTICULAR TO THAT SPEAKS TO BARN DOORS NO BUT DOORS DO SPECIFICALLY STATE THAT THEY BE EITHER CASEMENT OR FRENCH SO OAK SHUTTERS ARE HINGED DOORS ARE ALSO HINGED AS IN THEIR CASEMENT OR FRENCH IN OPERATION. SO REGARDLESS IT'S A DIFFERENT CODE SECTION IF IT THAT IT TIES BUT THE SAME LANGUAGE ON THE OPERATION OF THE DOOR OKAY SO YOU KNOW I THINK I LEFT MICHEL IF MY MEMORIES ME CORRECTLY WHEN IT WAS BROUGHT BEFORE SOMETHING SIMILAR IT'S BASICALLY SET THIS WAY SO THAT WHEN THEY CLOSE UP THE MARKET THEY'RE ABLE TO CLOSE THOSE OFF CORRECT? YES, I BELIEVE SO. BUT AGAIN, I WILL LET THE APPLICANT SPEAK TO THAT MORE SPECIFICALLY IF YOU'D LIKE. ABSOLUTELY FOR ME I HAVE PRESENT AND WOULD LIKE TO PRESENT TO THE MEETING ROOM PERMANENT.

ALL RIGHT. IT'S FINE. HI, I'M SARAH KEPPEL FROM PIER SCOTT ARCHITECTS AND SO I THINK KATIE EXPLAINED IT BUT TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION DEBBIE ABOUT HOW IT'S GOING TO FUNCTION. YES THE INTENTION IS TO WALK THROUGH THE BUILDING NOT TO SELL ANYTHING FROM THE OPENINGS ON THE SIDES TO LONGER SIDES AND THEN THE BIG OPENING WHERE EVERYBODY ENTERS FROM IS THERE A WAY TO SECURE THAT AT NIGHT OR THAT WILL ALWAYS BE OPEN? CURRENTLY IT'S OPEN. WERE WONDERING IF PERHAPS WE MIGHT HAVE AN INTERIOR VERSION OF THE SHUTTER THAT WOULD HINGE SHUT BUT IT REALLY WON'T BE

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IT'S KIND OF WEATHER PROTECTED BUT NOT WEATHERPROOF. I'M JUST THINKING ABOUT SECURITY LIKE THE KIDS GET IN THERE AND THEFT. YOU KNOW I COULD ASK OWNER BUT AT THIS POINT THE PLAN WAS NOT TO HAVE THOSE CLOSED SO WE'RE OPEN ALL THE TIME THE BAYS ARE SECURED. I THINK THAT THE WE YEAH WE WANTED TO HAVE THE OPTION TO CLOSE SIDE SHUTTERS PRIMARILY YOU KNOW THE WEATHER WAS BAD WE DIDN'T WANT THE WHOLE BUILDING TO BE ENTIRELY OPEN BUT YEAH SO WE DID INTEND FOR THE SIDES TO CLOSE IF NEEDED AND THE REASON WE WE ARE ASKING THE DEVIATION FOR THE SLIDING SHUTTERS IS BECAUSE WE HAVE A LOT OF FOUNDATION PLANTINGS AS YOU SAW IN THE LANDSCAPE AND IF THIS SIZED DOOR NEEDS TO HINGE SHUT WE PRETTY MUCH LOSE ALL THE FOUNDATION PLANTINGS ON THE BUILDING.

YOU RECALL HOW WIDE THOSE OPENINGS ARE? THEY'RE EIGHT FEET SO EACH ONE OF THESE PANELS IS FOUR FEET WIDE. THAT SHUTTERS WHEN EXACTLY WE DIDN'T FEEL LIKE THAT WOULD HOLD UP VERY WELL EITHER. SO THAT'S HOW WE WERE HOPING THAT IT WOULD BE EASIER TO SLIDE THEM SHUT THAN TO HINGE QUESTIONS OR THEY MIGHT HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. I WOULD GO AHEAD AND OPEN IT UP TO GENERAL DISCUSSION MAYBE YOU SEE LIKE CONCERNED THAT THERE'S GOING TO JUST BE A LARGE OPENING THAT ANYBODY LIKE DURING THE NIGHT YOU GO IN AND IF THE PEOPLE WHO ARE WHO ARE SELLING THEIR LEAVE ANYTHING BEHIND THERE COULD BE THEFT. CAN YOU GO TO THE PLAN WHERE IT SHOWS THE ACTUAL INSIDE OF THE BAY I DON'T THINK THAT'S THE INTENT AS THE MARKET AS THESE ARE COMING IN TO UTILIZE CAN YOU JUST THE VIEW YEAH CAN YOU CAN YOU SO THIS IS THE FLOOR PLAN. WHAT WE'VE BEEN TOLD IS THAT THE OWNER ENVISIONS SETTING UP TABLES TEMPORARY KIND OF STALLS ALMOST WHEN THEY BRING IN ARTISANS OR FARMERS MARKET FARMER'S MARKET KIND OF OBJECTS. SO I DON'T THINK FROM THAT STANDPOINT THEY'RE GOING TO BE LEAVING ANYTHING THERE BUT SO EVERY DAY SETTING UP PACKING OUTSIDE. YEAH, YEAH IT WASN'T REALLY A PERMANENT LIKE IT IS SOMEBODY TO SAY RENT A STALL FOR SIX MONTHS OR THREE MONTHS. I MEAN THERE THE INTENT TO MAYBE LEAVE SOMETHING BEHIND BECAUSE THEY HAD THAT SPACE FOR THAT MUCH.

WELL I WOULD I WOULD THINK THAT WOULDN'T MERELY BE USED THAT WAY BECAUSE REGARDLESS THOSE THOSE SIDE WALLS I MEAN WE CAN CLOSE THE SHUTTERS FOR WEATHER BUT THEY WEREN'T REALLY INTENDED BE LIKE LOCKED DOWN NECESSARILY IT'S JUST GOING TO BE USED AS AN EVENT SPACE.

WELL BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY THE VENDORS ARE LEAVING AT THE END OF THE DAY IS THAT THE I I DON'T KNOW THE ONLY I MEAN THE OWNER LIKE I SAID HAS ENVISIONED IT AS AN OPEN AIR MARKET IS HOW SHE'S DESCRIBING IT SO NO I DON'T THINK SO. I BELIEVE WHEN IT WAS BROUGHT BEFORE IT WAS STATED THAT WHEN THEY HAD THESE EVENTS WHOEVER ARE USING THESE SPACES THEY'RE TAKING THEIR ITEMS NOTHING'S LEFT BEHIND. YEAH I THINK THAT'S A VALID CONCERN. I THINK THAT THE OWNER SORT OF UNDERSTANDS WHAT THEY'RE GETTING INTO AN OPEN STRUCTURE ON THEIR PROPERTY AND I WOULD THINK IF THEY HAD A GARAGE THAT ADDED DOORS TO THE INSIDE THAT CLOSED AND WERE VISIBLE FROM THE EXTERIOR THAT WOULD BE AN AMENDMENT THAT EITHER STAFF WOULD REVIEW OR WE WOULD SEE IF THEY FELT UNCOMFORTABLE APPROVING IT. I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT WOULD WORK ON THIS ONE WITH THE JANITOR'S CLOSET YOU WOULDN'T HAVE ENOUGH ROOM TO PUT A DOOR ON THE UNABLE TO DOUBLE STACK A SLIDING FROM THE BOTTOM SIDE THEY'RE ROLLING DOORS ON SOME WAS IT THIS STRUCTURE THAT THERE WERE ROLLING DOORS ON IT AT ONE POINT AND THEY WERE IN IT WAS IN WHEN IT WAS A TWO STORY BUILDING THE TWO ENDS HAD ROLL DOWN DOORS ON THE INSIDE BUT WE KIND OF THIS BUILDING WENT THROUGH A LOT OF V VALUE ENGINEERING AND JUST TRIED TO SIMPLIFY A LOT OF IT SO TRYING TO CREATE A LITTLE BIT MORE LIKE A PAVILION GOT IN A A BUILDING LIKE IT USED TO BE A BIT MORE SOLID SO ONCE YOU SEE AS HARD TO SEE I KNOW I KNOW YEAH SO YEAH SO WE'RE IT AS YEAH OPEN AIR MARKET OR PAVILION KIND OF AT THIS POINT OKAY BUT ARE EVERYBODY'S

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THOUGHTS ON THE SLIDING DOOR OPERATION IN THIS INSTANCE I THINK IT MAKES A LOT OF SENSE I CAN SWEAR THERE'S A FEW OTHER AROUND BUT THEY DON'T NEED TO BE APPROVED EVERYWHERE JUST IN THIS INSTANCE IT DOES THE LANDSCAPING MAKES SENSE AND PROTECTING THE LANDSCAPE RIGHT THERE SO IN MY MIND I'M OKAY WITH IT YES I AGREE AND I WOULD AGREE I THINK GIVEN THE AGRARIAN NATURE OF THE STRUCTURE IT MAKES SENSE AND THEN THE BARN OUT RIVERSIDE AND OTHER EXAMPLES AROUND TOWN OF THESE DOORS ON CERTAIN STRUCTURES AND THIS IS OLD TOWN'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT BUT I THINK IT FITS FOR HERE AND DOES PROTECT THE PLANTINGS THE TWO OPENINGS AT THE END OF THE BUILDINGS DO HAVE THE SHED ROOFS SO THEY WILL HELP PREVENT SOME WEATHER GETTING IN. SO VERY QUICKLY ONE HAD TO CLOSE THE SHUTTERS. THEY COULD REACH OUTSIDE AND JUST SLIDE.

OKAY. AND NOT JUST RUN OVER THE STOCKERS CONCERN ABOUT THE OPEN STRUCTURE CARNIVAL WHAT IS OUR PURVIEW ON THAT IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S PROBABLY LIKE A HEALTH SAFETY WELLNESS ISSUE AND JUST HAVING AN OPEN UNSECURED OPEN STRUCTURE.

IS THAT REALLY SOMETHING THAT HBC CAN EVEN WEIGH IN ON THIS OUT A GENERAL AMOUNT RIGHT.

SO THE USE OF THE STRUCTURE IS TECHNICALLY AN ARTICLE WHICH IS NOT PART OF THE PURVIEW OF THE HPC. HOWEVER IT IS THE PURVIEW OF THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT THROUGH THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN PROCESS AND IT'S BEING PROPOSED AS A RETAIL SPACE.

SO IF THE USE FROM THAT CHANGES TO SOMETHING ELSE IT WOULD NEED TO BE REVIEWED TO ENSURE THAT IT WAS STILL MEETING THE REQUIREMENTS. BUT AS FOR THE OPEN STRUCTURE BUILDING SAFETY DOES HAVE JURISDICTION A STRUCTURE IS LEFT UNSECURED THAT IS PROBLEMATIC IF THE BUILDING IS ALL THE WAY OPEN LIKE A PAVILION LIKE I I'M NOT ENTIRELY SURE HOW THAT WORKS BUT I WOULD MY INSTINCT IS THAT THE SECURITY OF THE STRUCTURE IS NOT PART OF THE DESIGN OF THE STRUCTURE. I MEAN IT IS PART OF THE DESIGN AND STRUCTURE AND I UNDERSTAND THAT INHERENTLY BUT IT IS NOT A PART OF THE STANDARD STRUCTURE.

SO I THINK THAT IT WOULD JUST FINE AND IF THERE'S A CHALLENGE WITH IT FOR BUILDING SAFETY'S SAKE THEY HAVE NOT MENTIONED IT UP TO THIS POINT AND HAVE SEEN THE PLANS NOT FOR A FULL CODE STUDY BUT OR AT LEAST FOR SHOULD PROVIDE COMMENT ON THE FRONT END OF IT SO I THINK THAT IT'S FINE TO BE AN OPEN STRUCTURE. IT WOULD BE SIMILAR TO REVIEWING PAVILION OR A PARK AND BUILDING THAT'S AT DUBOIS PARK AND ALSO I GUESS NOT QUITE AS CLOSE AS THE ONE AT WORK STREET BECAUSE THAT ONE IS COMPLETELY HOLE GARDEN TYPE SITUATION BUT THE ONE AT DUBOIS VALLEY WORK WITH THE SHRIMP BOAT.

IT HAS THE BATHROOM FACILITIES ON THE SITE, THE REAR OF IT AND IT'S GOT THE THREE OPEN SIDE PAVILIONS. SO I THINK THAT IT SHOULD BE TREATED SIMILAR TO THAT.

THERE'S NO ISSUE WITH THAT FOR PURPOSES SO I THINK THAT MAY HAVE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THAT PARTICULAR POINT. BUT I MEAN IT SEEMS TO BE ALONG WITH THE OTHER PAVILIONS AROUND THAT I MEAN LIKE THE JANITOR'S CLOSET AND THE WATER HEATER AND ,YOU KNOW, SO BE IT MOVING IN . I WOULD AGREE WITH THAT AS WELL.

EVERYBODY'S GOT CAMERAS NOW. SO IF THEY IF THEY FIND THAT IT IS A SECURITY ISSUE, THEY DO WISH TO PUT A DOOR ON THE OTHER SIDE OF ARE CORRECT IN THAT IT WOULD NEED TO COME BACK BEFORE US BECAUSE WHILE IT MAY BE MOUNTED INSIDE IT IS THE EXTERIOR DOOR TO THE STRUCTURE SO IT WOULD COME BACK EITHER YOU ALL ARE BEFORE STAFF DEPENDING ON THE OPERATION AND CONFIGURATION OF THAT THERE'S ANYBODY. SO ANY FURTHER COMMENTS ARE WE READY TO PROCEED WITH THE MOTION BEFORE THEY I LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE AS SUBMITTED CONTINUE TO PASS ON ITEM TWO AND THREE THAT NEED TO COME BACK OR ONE TO THAT NEED TO COME BACK AND BE APPROVED AT A STAFF LEVEL OR REVIEWED AND APPROVED AT A STAFF LEVEL. THINK ABOUT THREE OF THE ITEMS OR IN THE BARN IN ITEM NUMBER

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THREE THE BARN DOORS ARE APPROPRIATE IN THIS SITUATION DUE TO THE LANDSCAPING TRYING TO SAVE THE LANDSCAPING WE HAVE A SECOND ALL IN FAVOR I AM OPPOSED MOTION PASSES WE UNANIMOUS ON I AM SORRY I WAS LONG I WAS THINKING THE NEXT ITEM WE HAVE BEFORE US TONIGHT

[IX.2. Certificate of Appropriateness: A request by Charlie Wetmore for a review of a Certificate of Appropriateness - HD to construct a new 2-story attached Carriage House of approximately 1,200 SF, and renovation of the existing single family residential structure to include window and door modifications, porch addition, and modification to the rear exterior stairs, to be located at 48 Lawrence Street, in the Old Town Bluffton Historic district and zoned Neighborhood General - HD zoning District. (COFA-11-23-018662) (Staff - Katie Peterson)]

IS ANOTHER CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS I WOULD IF IT IS A CONTRACT PROBABLY WENT MORE FOR THE APPROVAL OF CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CONSTRUCT A TWO STORY ATTACHED CARRIAGE HOUSE OF APPROXIMATELY 1200 SQUARE FEET AND TO RENOVATE EXISTING SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE TO INCLUDE A WINDOW AND DOOR MODIFICATION AND SMALL PART TO DESIGN AND A MODIFICATION TO THE REAR STAIRS TO BE LOCATED AT 48 LAWRENCE STREET IN THE OLD HAMILTON HISTORIC DISTRICT AND ZONED NEIGHBORHOOD GENERAL . SO THIS IS THE OVERALL SITE. SO THIS IS LAWRENCE STREET AND IF YOU WERE TO WALK STRAIGHT OUT THIS DRIVEWAY YOU WOULD BASICALLY END UP IN THE THE DISPENSARY PARKING LOT AND THIS WOODSHED THAT'S IDENTIFIED RIGHT HERE IS THE BARN THAT IS BEHIND THE STORE. SO THAT KIND OF ORIENTS TO THE LOCATION WHERE THIS IS PLACED.

SO IT IS THE PRIMARY IS AN EXISTING NON-CONFORMING STRUCTURE TOWARDS THE BACK OF THE LOT HERE THAT IS THAT WAY BACK FROM THE ROAD AND IS IN ITS CURRENT PLACEMENT THE ITEMS THAT THEY ARE MODIFYING ON THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE ARE ESSENTIALLY THIS AREA RIGHT HERE AND THEN CHANGING THE CONFIGURATION OF THE STAIRS TO SUPPORT THE ADDITION OF THIS CARRIAGE HOUSE WHICH IS HERE. SO THIS IS ZOOMED IN. I'VE LABELED STREET THIS SIDE BECAUSE WAY UP IS THE PAGE FROM THAT AND AS YOU CAN SEE HOW FAR I THINK THAT CUTS OFF ABOUT HERE SO UP HERE LAWRENCE STREET SO THIS IS THE ATTACHED CARRIAGE HOUSE THAT IS BEING PROPOSED AS A PORTION OF THIS STRUCTURE AND THIS IS THE FIRST FLOOR PLAN.

SO YOU'VE GOT THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE THAT EXISTS. THIS IS THE AREA WHICH THE CHANGES ARE BEING PROPOSED FOR THAT PRIMARY STRUCTURE AS WELL AS RECONFIGURING THE STAIR TO WRAP AROUND THE PROPOSED CARRIAGE HOUSE AND THEN THIS STRUCTURE HERE IS THAT CARRIAGE HOUSE STRUCTURE FOR THE SECOND FLOOR IT IS THE SAME THIS IS THAT THERE IS NO MODIFICATIONS THE SECOND FLOOR HERE BUT THERE IS THE ADDITION OF THE STAIRWAY THAT WOULD CONNECT INTO THE THE DOOR AS WELL AS THE ADDITION OF THE SQUARE FOOTAGE AND ATTACHED HOUSE SPACE HERE.

OKAY ON THE HOUSE. OH I'M SO SORRY. AND THERE'S A WINDOW SO I MISSED THERE IS ONE MODIFICATION HERE IT'S JUST THIS WINDOW.

SO HERE IS THE ROOF PLAN SO YOU CAN SEE ADDITION OF THE PORCH AREA ON THE FIRST FLOOR AND THEN THE ATTACHED CARRIAGE HOUSE HERE TYING INTO THE EXISTING STRUCTURE THIS IS THE FRONT ELEVATION I'VE PUT THE ELEVATIONS OF THE EXISTING UP IN THE TOP CORNER AND THEN WHAT IS PROPOSED DOWN HERE. SO BECAUSE IT IS ATTACHED YOU WON'T ACTUALLY SEE THE REST OF THAT IT IS ATTACHED TO THE STRUCTURE SO ALL OF THE OBLIGATIONS HAVE BEEN PROVIDED AND IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S HIDDEN BEHIND THE STRUCTURE WHICH IS THE INTENT BUT IT IS ACTUALLY ATTACHED SO IT IS THERE IS NO REST OF THAT ELEVATION SO THIS IS THAT WHAT I'M CALLING A PORCH BECAUSE IT'S ON THE GROUND IT'S A ROOF OVER AN ENTRYWAY BUT THIS IS THAT PORCH AREA AND THEN THE CARRIAGE HOUSE ON THE REAR ELEVATION THERE IS THE TO THE STAIR HERE AND THEN THIS IS THE CARRIAGE HOUSE STRUCTURE. YOU CAN SEE THAT THIS WINDOW IS BEING REMOVED FROM THIS LOCATION BECAUSE THAT WHERE THERE WILL NOW BE AN ATTACHED CARRIAGE HOUSE THE LEFT ELEVATION WHICH THIS IS THE SIDE THAT HAS MOST SUBSTANTIAL CHANGE TO IT AGAIN REMOVING THE HORSE WINDOWS THAT ARE UP IN THE CORNER HERE.

THEY'RE ADDING THE WINDOW HERE WHICH IS THANK YOU FOR POINTING THAT OUT TO ME AGAIN ADDING THE WINDOW THERE AND HERE ADDING THE PORCH PORTION OF THE STRUCTURE HERE WHICH HAS THE COLUMNS THAT ARE PLACED NO FURTHER APART THAN THEY ARE TALL WITH THE ROOF.

AND THEN THIS WAS AN EXISTING GARAGE DOOR THAT WAS ON THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE AGAIN.

I EMPHASIZE THAT THIS IS A NON CONFORMING STRUCTURE AND AS A WHAT MORE HAVE BEEN RENOVATING IT THEY ARE FINDING MORE AND MORE NONCONFORMITY EVEN THAN YOU SEE ON THE OUTSIDE OF THE

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STRUCTURE. SO THIS IS THE ELEVATION OF CARRIAGE HOUSE THAT'S VERY TOUCHING DOWN TO GAIN ACCESS TO THE SECOND FLOOR THE DOORS DO OPEN OUT TOWARDS THE MONASTERY PROPERTY AND I WILL SHOW YOU WHERE THAT IS HERE. SO THEY OPEN THIS DIRECTION WHICH THERE'S NOT QUITE ENOUGH SPACE IT'S I BELIEVE JUST OVER 18 FEET BETWEEN THIS CORNER AND THE PROPERTY LINE. AND SO TO THAT THEY HAVE THE RADIUS THAT THEY HAVE NECESSARY THEY DO HAVE AN EASEMENT A PERMANENT ACCESS EASEMENT ON THE MONASTERY PROPERTY HERE THAT IS RECORDED AND WE DO HAVE A COPY OF THAT. SO THERE IS NO ISSUE WITH ACCESS BEING GAINED FROM THIS BECAUSE IT IS A PERMANENT EASEMENT THAT WE HAVE A COPY OF THE RECORDING DOCUMENTS FOR THAT TO ENSURE THAT IT DOESN'T GO AWAY THE RIGHT ELEVATION AGAIN THIS PORTION IS NOT BEING ALTERED BUT HERE IS WHAT YOU WILL SEE FROM THE RIGHT SIDE HERE OF THE PROPOSED CARRIAGE HOUSE. SO YOU'VE GOT THE STAIRS THAT COME DOWN THE SIDE AND THEN RAMP TOWARDS YOU'LL WALK DOWN THIS WAY TOWARDS THE MONASTERIES AND BACK PLAY AREA BY SECTION MATCH OR SECTION IN DETAIL MATCH UP I SHOULD BE CALLED AS WELL AS THE WINDOW AND DOOR TABLES. SO YOU'VE THE LARGE GARAGE DOORS AND THEN THE SIX FOOT WIDE GARAGE DOOR FOR THE GOLF CART ENTRY HERE AS WELL AS THE NEW DOORS THAT WOULD BE PROPOSED ON THAT ACCESSORY STRUCTURE AND THE STRUCTURE HERE THIS IS AND THESE ARE PICTURES OF THE EXISTING STRUCTURE SO THIS IS WHAT FACES TOWARDS THE MONASTERY PROPERTY NOW THE CARRIAGE HOUSE THAT'S BEING PROPOSED WILL REMOVE THESE TWO WINDOWS HERE AT THAT WINDOW HERE AND HERE. THE PORCH AREA THAT I'M CALLING OUT OF THE PORCH IS HERE AND THE REST OF IT IS REMAINING AS .

IT IS EXISTING. THIS IS KIND OF FROM THE FRONT SO THAT CARRIAGE HOUSE AGAIN WILL BE PLACED RIGHT. YOU CAN SEE MY MOM'S RIGHT HERE AND THEN ON THIS ONE IT'LL BE TAKING UP THIS SPACE HERE AND IT'S NOT THIS WHOLE SPACE IT'S LIKE THIS SPACE AND THEN THE WINDOW IS ALSO ON THE SIDE OF THE COLUMN AND THEN FROM THE REAR YOU CAN SEE WHERE THE PORCH KIND OF ARE. IT'S VERY SMALL BUT THE PORCH TIES IN.

SO THIS IS THE STAIR THAT'S BEING MODIFIED HERE THAT WILL TIE INTO THE CARRIAGE HOUSE AND THEN WRAP AROUND THE SIDE OF IT SO THAT YOU GAIN ACCESS TO BOTH STRUCTURES FROM THAT.

THIS IS A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS. SO THERE ARE THE EIGHT REVIEW CRITERIA WHICH ARE FOUND IN SECTION 318 THREE OF A UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT ORDINANCE.

THE HPC IS AUTHORIZED TO APPROVE THE APPLICATION AS I APPROVE THE APPLICATION WITH CONDITIONS OR DENIED THE APPLICATION IS SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT SATISFIED FOUND THAT IT DOES MEET THE CRITERIA WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THIRD GARAGE DOOR AT SIX FEET WHICH EXCEEDS THE PERMITTED TWO DOORS BY SECTION 515 EIGHT OF THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT ORDINANCE AS REQUESTED BY THE APPLICANT SO THE STATEMENT THAT I HAVE ABOUT THIS ONE IS THAT AT THIS TIME GARAGE DOORS ARE PERMITTED BY OUR ORDINANCE. IF YOU RECALL MONTH YOU DID MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS TO MAKE SOME MODIFICATIONS TO THE DESIGN STANDARDS FOR THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT ORDINANCE WHICH INCLUDED THE ADDITION OF THE ABILITY TO HAVE A THIRD DOOR IF IT WAS SIX FEET WIDE TO BE FOR A EITHER JUST LARGER ACCESS FOR LAWNMOWERS ETC. OR A GOLF CART OR SOMETHING OF THAT NATURE A THIRD BAY WITH A SIX FOOT WIDE OPENING IT HAS NOT BEEN TO PLANNING PERMISSION. IT GOES THIS MONTH BEFORE A PLANNING COMMISSION AND THEN FOLLOWING THAT IT DOES HAVE TWO READINGS AT TOWN COUNCIL HOWEVER AS IT IS A FEATURE THE HPC HAS THE AUTHORITY TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF A DETERMINATION OF THE APPROPRIATENESS OF THE ADDITION OF THIS THIRD DOOR BY ITSELF BUT THEN ALSO JUST A NOTE THAT IT MAY BE PERMITTED BY OUR ORDINANCE IN THE COMING MONTHS SHOULD. COUNCIL AND PLANNING COMMISSION TAKE THE RECOMMENDATION THAT WAS MADE THE HPC AT THE PREVIOUS MEETING SO.

IT IS UP TO YOU ALL. I'M JUST DRAWING THAT TO YOUR ATTENTION THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE BEEN CONSIDERING BUT IT HAS NOT MADE IT THROUGH THE ENTIRE PROCESS YET BUT IT IS UP TO YOU ALL ON A DETERMINATION FOR THAT AND SO I WILL LEAVE YOU WITH THAT.

I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE THE OWNERS HERE FLASH THE APPLICANT TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF THE PROJECT. SO DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR HIM AND I AM HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF BEFORE WE HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT? I KNOW YOU WERE REVIEWING THE PROJECT. DID YOU GIVE ANY IS THOUGHT TO THE EXTRA GARAGE DOOR ON THE

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HOUSE? IS IT JUST THE HOUSE IS THE HOUSE AND THE CARRIAGE HOUSE A SEPARATE HOUSE? YEAH IT IS BECAUSE THIS IS SUCH AN EXISTING STRUCTURE AND IT IS NOT CONSIDERED A PORTION OF THE IT IS NOT AN ATTACHED CARRIAGE HOUSE ON THIS STRUCTURE BY BUILDING DESIGN IT WAS HOW YOU WOULD INTERPRET IT. YEAH I IT'S AN EXISTING THAT IS EXISTING ON THE STRUCTURE AS IT CURRENTLY SITS AND I KNOW IN SUMMARY THE IS THE APPLICANT PRESENT AND WOULD LIKE TO PRESENT YES ONE CLICK LOCATION ACTUALLY THAT'S BEING A MEMBER OF PLANNING COMMISSION WE DID PASS IT I'M SORRY. YEAH IT WAS PART OF THE UDOT THAT YOU ALL FORWARDED TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND PASSED STILL HASN'T BEEN PASSED BY COUNCIL. WE'RE ASKING YOU TO CONSIDER THE INTENT THAT YOU ALL WENT THROUGH AND WE WENT THROUGH A YEAR AGO ALLOWING GOLF CART ACCESS ON THAT.

BUT BUT IF I MAY SAY IF IT WASN'T REPLACED IF YOU THOUGHT IT WAS LOUD ENOUGH TO MAKE I THINK YOU NEED TO SAY I ASK YOU TO PUT UP WITH ME BECAUSE. I'M ACTUALLY USED TO BEING ON THAT SIDE, NOT THIS SIDE. SO THIS IS A LITTLE WEIRD FOR ME.

MY WIFE AND I HAVE BEEN SEARCHING AN OLD TOWN AND WE FOUND THIS PLACE ON A HUGE COVE LAST SUMMER AND THE INTENT THAT WE HAD WAS FIRST OF ALL WE WANTED TO HAVE SOME LOVELY COVE OR MAYBE RIVER ACCESS BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY WE WERE LOOKING FOR A PROPERTY WHERE WE COULD MOVE MY 87 YEAR OLD MOTHER IN LAW IN WITH US THIS PROPERTY LENDS ITSELF TO IT AND THAT IF COULD FINISH OFF THE FIRST FLOOR AS A SPACE FOR HER PUT A SMALL ELEVATOR IN BETWEEN THE FIRST AND SECOND FLOOR WHERE SHE COULD GET UP TO WE ARE BECAUSE SHE'S STARTING TO EXPERIENCE MOBILITY ISSUES THAT WE CAN HAVE HER LIVE WITH US WHICH IS WHICH WHAT WE WANT AT THIS POINT IN TIME IN LIFE AND WHAT WE REALIZED WHEN WE LEARNED THROUGH THIS PROCESS IS TWO THINGS. FIRST OF ALL, WE WERE LOSING OUR GARAGE SPACE AND IF YOU'VE MET MY WIFE SHE'S A WONDERFUL WOMAN. I LOVE HER DEARLY.

BUT IF YOU TAKE HER GARAGE AWAY THAT'S A PROBLEM. SO THAT'S PART OF THE WHY WE LOOKED AT THE CARRIAGE HOUSE. THE OTHER PART IS LIVING IN OLD TOWN IS NOT INEXPENSIVE AND SO HAVING A SMALL APARTMENT THAT WE CAN RENT OUT WHETHER IT'S AIRBNB OR LONG TERM RENTAL WAS APPEALING US TO BE ABLE TO DO IT. THOSE WERE THE CONSIDERATIONS ON THE HOUSE THE OTHER CONSIDERATION WE HAD IS LEGALLY WE HAVE A RIGHT TO GREEN STREET AND GREEN STREET IS WHAT MOST PEOPLE WOULD LOOK AS MAY RAY ROMANO SAW HIS DRIVEWAY YOU'RE GOING TO PULL IT UP AND AS A FORMER CHILDREN'S CHILDREN'S PASTOR SAFETY AND SECURITY OF KIDS AND OF AND OF PLAYTIME AND PLAY SPACE IS IS PARAMOUNT TO US AND ONE OF THE INTENSE WITH BUILDING THIS ATTACHED CARRIAGE HOUSE IS TO BLOCK ACCESS FROM THIS PROPERTY TO GREEN PROPER. WE APPROACHED MARIA MONTESSORI WE TOLD THEM WE DO NOT WANT TO HAVE A WAY FOR PEOPLE TO GET IN AND OUT IN BOTH DIRECTIONS BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY THE TODDLER BUILDING IS DIRECTLY OUR HOUSE AND IF WE BLOCK THAT ACCESS WITH THE CARRIAGE HOUSE THAT MAKES IT A NATURALLY MORE SAFE AND SECURE AREA FOR THOSE KIDS. THEY AGREED WITH US TO THE POINT WHERE THEY GAVE US, GAVE US, DIDN'T SELL US, GAVE US THE ACCESS EASEMENT FOR US TO BE ABLE TO POINT THE CARRIAGE HOUSE IN SUCH A WAY THAT OUR VEHICLES CAN GO OUT TO LAUREN STREET, NOT BACK TO GREEN STREET WHICH HAD EVERY LEGAL RIGHT TO DO BUT WE WEREN'T GOING TO DO. THOSE ARE THE THOUGHTS BEHIND WE'RE HERE BEFORE YOU TODAY.

ONE OTHER THING TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION THE PARCEL DOOR TO THE CALHOUN STREET SIDE PARCEL 123 RIGHT THERE WHICH IS CURRENTLY THE PLAY FIELDS HAS BEEN APPROVED FOR MAY RIVER MONTESSORI TO BUILD A MAIN STREET STYLE BUILDING ON CALHOUN STREET.

SO THE ENTIRE SIDE OF THE BUILDING THAT'S NOW PARTIALLY BLOCKED BY TREES OF OUR HOUSE WILL EVENTUALLY BE BLOCKED BY THE NEW SCHOOL BUILDING FROM RIVER MONTESSORI.

SO YOU WON'T SEE IT UNLESS YOU'RE ON THE BACK OF THE NEW BUILDING AND THAT'S ALL I HAVE IS THERE QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS OR DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. ONE? ARE YOU STILL GOING TO BE USING THE GARAGE THE MAIN HOUSE THAT WOULD BE FOR MY MOTHER IN LAW THERE BE A DOOR FROM THAT GARAGE DIRECT INTO HER LIVING ROOM OR HER FOR THE REVISED

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PLAN. DOESN'T THIS SHOW AND DRIVE IT JUST SAYS MOTOR COURT AND IT ALLOWS THE ONLY THING THAT AT THE OPEN ONE OR MORE OF IT SHOWS THE ADDITION BUT NO THERE IS CURRENTLY A DRIVEWAY THERE SO WE'LL BE REMOVING PART OF IT WITH THE WITH THE FRONT PORCH WORD SO HERS WILL BE RIGHT RIGHT WHERE THE EXISTING DRIVEWAY IS THE TIGHTER FIT IS GOING TO BE WHERE THE CARRIAGE HOUSES ARE IT'S GOING TO BE ABOUT A 20 FOOT TURN RADIUS WHEN YOU NORMALLY WANT ABOUT 23 BUT WE'VE DONE IT WITH HER OUR MOTTO TO MAKE SURE EVERYTHING WORKS RIGHT AND THEN THERE WILL BE BETWEEN THE PORCH AND THE CARRIAGE WHERE IT'S NOW DRIVEWAY IS GOING TO END UP BEING A GARDEN AND AND I DON'T KNOW IF IT WILL BE SOLID BUT IT WILL BE A VEGETATED AREA. SO THE THE GARAGE ON THE CURRENT MAIN STRUCTURE AND THAT WON'T BE OPERATIONAL IT'LL TURN FROM A TWO CAR GARAGE. ONE OF THE CARS WILL BECOME THE FOYER IN THE ELEVATOR AND HER LIVING ROOM THE OTHER CAR GARAGE THE OTHER ONE WILL BE A SINGLE CAR GARAGE IT'LL BE FOR HER SHE'S A LOT LIKE HER DAUGHTER AND WANTING TO HAVE A GARAGE CAN ANYONE GUESS WHERE I'LL BE PARKING OUTSIDE EVEN THOUGH IT'S A TWO CAR GARAGE IT'S STILL GOING TO RETAIN THE GRAVEL OF THE HOME. YES, SIR.

WE'RE ACTUALLY ABOUT RICK RAVELING IT WITH A LITTLE BIT A LITTLE BIT FINER GRAVEL TO MATCH WHAT MAY RIVER MONTESSORI HAS AND WHILE YOU'RE UP HERE ON THE WINDOWS, WHAT'S THE THOUGHT BEHIND THE SWITCH FROM DOUBLE HANGS TO CASEMENT? THE CHALLENGE IS THE SCALE AND QUITE HONESTLY WE SEARCHED LONG AND HARD TO TRY AND FIND FIND A DOUBLE HOME THAT WOULD FIT AS AN EGRESS WINDOW AND STILL NOT LOOK OVERSIZE YOU PUT IT UP ON THAT UPPER FLOOR AND WE JUST COULDN'T FIND IT RATHER SO THE HOUSE WINDOWS THEMSELVES ARE NOT EGRESS SIDE OF THERE THEY ARE THERE THEY ARE BUT THE MASS AND THE SCALE IF YOU LOOK AT THE CARRIAGE HOUSE IS SHORTER AND IT'S GOT IT DOESN'T HAVE THE HEIGHT OF THE BUILDING FLOORS HAVE AND BECAUSE OF THAT THAT CHANGED THE THEY CHANGED THE DIMENSIONS ON THE WINDOWS. AND SO IF WE TRIED TO DO IF WE TRIED TO DO DOUBLE HUNG WINDOW ON THE UPPER FLOOR OF THE CARRIAGE HOUSE IT WOULD NOT MEET THE 5.7 CUBIC I KNOW IF IT'S CUBIC FEET OR WHATEVER IT IS THE 5.7 I'D NEED AN UPPER FLOORS AND THE LOWER FLOOR ALREADY 5.0 EGRESS BUT THAT IS WHAT IS ACCEPTABLE FOR GROUND FLOOR. THE MATTER OF FACT IF YOU GO AROUND TO THE SIDE ON THE GROUND FLOOR TO THE BACK I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE IT YOU SEE THOSE DOUBLE WINDOWS UNDER THE BACK PORCH? YES. THOSE AREN'T I DON'T EVEN LIKE THOSE. WE'RE PROBABLY GOING TO WITH PERMISSION MAKE THEM MATCH A LITTLE BIT BETTER TO THE OTHER WINDOWS. OKAY.

THE CEILING IN THE CARRIAGE I MEAN IT LOOKS LIKE FROM THE HEIGHT OF THE ROOF THAT THERE IS CEILING HEIGHT TO MAKE THOSE WINDOWS TALLER OR IS THERE NOT? BUT IT'S IT'S GOING TO BE MY UNDERSTANDING IS GOING TO BE EITHER EIGHT OR EIGHT AND A HALF IN THE GARAGE PORCH AND IT'S GOING TO BE EIGHT AND A HALF OF TOP AND MAYBE NINE. I JUST CAN'T I DON'T REMEMBER NOW IT'S NINE TO THE CEILING OR POSSIBLY EIGHT AND A HALF AND WHAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW IS WE HAVE 12 ON THE GROUND FLOOR. WE'RE ACTUALLY BRINGING THE INTERIOR CEILING DOWN TO EIGHT AND A HALF BUT WE HAVE 12 FOOT THERE AND THEN WE HAVE ANOTHER IT'S NINE FOOT INTERIOR CEILING ON THE ON THE SECOND FLOOR BUT IT JUST IT THROWS EVERYTHING OUT OF PROPORTION WHEN TRY AND PUT THE DOUBLE HUNG WINDOWS WHERE YOU'VE GOT THE SHORTER CEILING ON THE FIRST FLOOR.

YES SIR AND WE RUN INTO ROOF PROBLEMS IF WE IF WE TRIED TO MAKE THE FIRST FLOOR CLOSE TO HER AS HIGH AS THE FIRST FLOOR OF THE MAIN HOUSE THEN WE HAVE A REAL CHALLENGE WITH TYING CARRIAGE HOUSE ROOF INTO THE MAIN ROOF. OKAY.

AND YOU'VE GOT THE WINDOW YOU'VE HAD IT ON THE MAIN HOUSE.

IT'S KIND OF DRIVING THAT ROOF HEIGHT AND THEN TRYING TO MAKE IT SUBORDINATE BY A LITTLE BIT TO THE HOUSE. OKAY. I ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR GENERAL DISCUSSION GO BECAUSE WE'RE OPEN TO THE THINKING IF THERE COULD BE HEAR SOME

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THOUGHTS ON THE GARAGE DOORS BUT I MEAN WE DID JUST THE LAST MEETING OF APPROVED LANGUAGE SO IN THIS INSTANCE I, I DON'T KNOW I, I YEAH I GUESS I AM IN AGREEMENT ON THAT STAFF KICKED IT BACK LAST TIME KATIE THE THE GENERAL UPDATES YOU MADE IT OR THAT STAFF MADE IT ALL THE WAY TO THE TOWN COUNCIL AND TOWN COUNCIL HAD EXTENSIVE DISCUSSION AND SOUNDED AND THEN SENT THEM BACK AROUND WAS OR NOT THAT DISCUSSION WAS ON THE GROUND TO THE BEST OF MY KNOWLEDGE NO I THINK THE PRIMARY DRIVER OF IT RETURNING OR NOT BEING THERE WERE THERE WERE SOME ITEMS THAT WERE SPECIFICALLY ADDRESSED DURING THE TOWN COUNCIL DISCUSSION.

A LOT OF THEM WERE AROUND NEEDING ADDITIONAL INFORMATION AND SETBACKS AND THINGS LIKE THAT BUT NOT SPECIFIC ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES. THEY WERE NOT RAISED SPECIFICALLY BUT AS A WHOLE WERE SENT WERE DENIED AT COUNCIL TO BE FURTHER STUDIED AND RE BROUGHT FORWARD. SO THEY'RE IN THE PROCESS OF RE BROUGHT FORWARD BUT I DO NOT FORESEE ANY CHALLENGES THAT BASED ON THE FORMER DISCUSSION HOWEVER IT ALSO A HUGE CHUNK OF MATERIAL FOR THEM SO THEY MAY READ IT FURTHER WHEN IT COMES TO THEM I CAN'T BE FOR COUNCIL IS WHAT IT COMES DOWN TO. CAN'T SPEAK FOR COUNCIL BUT THERE WAS NOTHING SPECIFICALLY INDICATED AT THE LAST MEETING THAT SPOKE EITHER WAY TO THE GARAGE DOOR. OKAY WHAT ABOUT OAK AND I THINK YOU KNOW MY MY THOUGHT ON IT FOR DISCUSSION WAS JUST YOU KNOW, IF WE WERE GOING TO GIVE A VARIANCE SOMETHING THE HOUSE WITH AN EXISTING GARAGE DOOR THAT ENDS UP HAVING FOUR GARAGE DOORS WOULDN'T BE IT IT DOESN'T SOUND LIKE ANYBODY ELSE HERE REALLY SHARES THAT CONCERN THAT CORRECT KIND OF REBUILDING SO I MEAN IT COULD BE A DIFFERENT IF IT WAS THE SAME STRUCTURE I MEAN ALSO THERE IS THERE IS THE ISSUE THAT IF YOU WENT FOR THE FOR THE GOLF CART ONE IS MAYBE THERE NEEDS TO BE SOMETHING SET OF LIKE EXACTLY HOW WIDE IT CAN BE BECAUSE YOU SET A PRECEDENT AND ALL OF A SUDDEN LIKE GOLF CARTS GET BIGGER AND THEN THERE MAYBE IS A REASON TO MAKE THAT CONTINUED TO MAKE THAT GARAGE DOOR BIGGER. BUT ULTIMATELY I THINK HAVING DEDICATED GARAGE DOOR WITH A SET LIMIT OF HOW WIDE CAN BE IS GOOD BECAUSE IF IT KEEPS LIKE A GOLF CART OFF THE STREET OR OFF A DRIVEWAY IT JUST MAKES THE PROPERTY LOOK NICER AND NEATER THREE AND SIX FEET IS KIND OF THE SMALLEST THE NARROWEST WITH YOU CAN GET IN A STANDARD SIZE AND GOLF CARTS HAVEN'T CHANGED THE LAST 40 YEARS SIZE WAS THE WE DO PROPOSE A CAP AT SIX FEET FOR THAT THIRD OPENING SO IF IF IT IS APPROVED BY A COUNCIL THAT WOULD BE THE CAP WOULD BE TO SIX FEET.

OKAY AND IT'S A SIX FOOT DOOR RIGHT YOU SEE I'M NOT HEARING ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION.

ANYBODY LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION? OKAY, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE AS SUBMITTED WITH NUMBER ONE BEING APPROVED WITH APPROVING THE GARAGE DOOR, THE THIRD DOOR OR GOLF CART OR SCUSE ME. THANK YOU ALL IN FAVOR I I HAVE MOTIONS PASSED AND CAN YOU HAVE ANY? I THOUGHT WE GAINED SOME PUBLIC COMMENT BUT I FORGOT DOING BACK IN THE AUDIENCE THE LAST NEW ITEM THAT WE HAVE HERE. THANK YOU FOR YOUR ALL RIGHT

[IX.3. Certificate of Appropriateness: A request by Court Atkins Architects, Inc. on behalf of the owner, TripleBCo, LLC for approval of a Certificate of Appropriateness - HD to construct a new 1.5-story commercial building of approximately 2,315 SF for Hair and So On Salon to be located at 5818 Guilford Place, in the Old Town Bluffton Historic district and zoned Neighborhood General - HD zoning District. (COFA-11-23-018646) (Staff - Katie Peterson)]

THE LAST NEW ITEM THAT WE HAD ON OUR AGENDA IS A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR 5818 GUILFORD PLACE WHICH IS A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO ALLOW THE CONSTRUCTION OF A NEW ONE AND A HALF STOREY COMMERCIAL STRUCTURE OF APPROXIMATELY 2315 SQUARE FEET TO BE LOCATED 5818 GUILFORD PLACE WHICH IS LOT 13 IN THE STOCK FARM DEVELOPMENT IN OLD TOWN BLUFFTON AND IT IS ZONED NEIGHBORHOOD GENERAL HD THE SITE PLAN HERE I'VE IT

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TURNED SIDEWAYS SO ALL OF YOUR WORDS ARE GOING TO BE SIDEWAYS BECAUSE IT FIT ON THE SCREEN AND I THOUGHT THAT BIGGER WAS BETTER THAN READING OF THE THINGS WITH NOT A HEAD TILT IN WORK NOW SO THE SITE PLAN YOU CAN SEE THE FRONT OF THE PROPERTY IS THE RIGHT HAND SIDE WHICH IS SOUTH CAROLINA 46 MAY RIVER ROAD ON THIS SIDE AND THEN THE REAR THE PROPERTY IS INTERNAL TO THE STOCK FARM DEVELOPMENT SO AS YOU'RE GOING THIS YOU CAN ALWAYS TELL WHICH SIDE OF THE BACK BECAUSE THIS IS WHERE THAT PARKING JUTS IN SO START THAT AS YOUR NEIGHBOR ROAD INTERNAL TO STOCKHOLM GUILFORD PLACE AND TECHNICALLY THIS IS THE FIRST FLOOR PLAN THE FIRST FLOOR YOU'VE GOT THE FRONT ENTRY HERE AS WELL AS A SIDEWALK THAT LEADS TO THE SIDE ENTRY WHICH HAS A SIDE PORCH HERE AND THE ADA ACCESS WHICH TIES IN BOTH TO THE FRONT BUT SPECIFICALLY A RAMP GOES INTO THE SIDE DOOR HERE THE SECOND FLOOR OR THE HALF STORY ABOVE THE FIRST IS THIS SPACE HERE. SO THIS IS EXIT HERE THIS IS THE UPPER PORCH AREA AS WELL AS THE OUTSIDE STAIRS AND THEN YOU HAVE THE SECOND FLOOR SPACE HERE WITH A SMALL BALCONY TO THE FRONT AND THEN THE ROOF PLAN AGAIN THIS IS THAT STAIRWELL ELEMENT AS WELL AS THE OUTSIDE PORCH. YOU CAN SEE HERE THAT BALCONIES UNDER THIS ROOF AND THEN THIS IS WHERE THERE'S ONLY ONE STORY THIS TWO STORY PORTION OF THE BUILDING BEING ON THE FRONT HALF OF THE BUILDING FACING TOWARDS ME RIVER ROAD THIS IS YOUR FRONT ELEVATION.

THERE'S THE WALKWAY WITH THE MAIN DOOR THAT FACES THE STREET AND THE BALCONY AND THEN THAT SIDE STAIRCASE THE RIGHT ELEVATION. SO THIS IS THE SIDE THAT FACES TOWARDS SAVANNAH BUT NOT REALLY TOWARDS THE 170 TRAFFIC CIRCLE WAY WAY DOWN THE ROAD WITH THE ENTRANCE HERE RAMP THAT GOES UP AND THEY DID ADJUST FROM THE CONCEPTUAL THE PLACEMENT OF THE SERVICE YARD RAMP SO THERE IS NO LONGER A SPACE WHERE WATER COULD GET BETWEEN THEM HERE AND THEN THEY HAVE THE ELEMENT ON THE SIDE ELEVATION HERE WITH THE FRONT HAVING BALCONY FEATURE ELEMENT THE REAR ELEVATION YOU CAN SEE THIS IS THE ONE STORY PORTION OF THE STRUCTURE IN THE STOCKHOLM DEVELOPMENT THE SETBACKS AND SQUARE FOOTAGE ALLOTMENTS ARE SET BY THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN UNLESS OF COURSE THE AUDIO IS RESTRICTIVE IN THIS CASE THE DOCK FARM COVENANTS MORE RESTRICTIVE AND THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN IS MORE RESTRICTIVE.

SO THEY DO MEET THE SET BACK AND SQUARE FOOTAGE ALLOWANCES FOR THE DEVELOPMENT WITH STRUCTURE THAT THEY PROPOSED TONIGHT AND THEN THIS IS THE LEFT ELEVATION SO THIS IS THE SIDE THAT FACES CLOSER WHERE WE ARE STANDING TONIGHT WITH THE FRONT FACING MAE RIVER ROAD.

THE OTHER SIDE HAS THE RAMP AND THE FEATURE ELEMENT WHICH YOU CAN JUST A LITTLE BIT HERE AS WELL AS THESE ELEVATION WITH YOUR SERVICE YARD ALL OF INFECTIONS WHICH AGAIN I WILL GO BACK TO ANYTHING THAT YOU'D LIKE OF MORE SECTIONS THROUGH THE AND THE DETAILS FOR THE BAHAMAS SHELTER CORNER COLUMN SECTION THROUGH THE FIRST FLOOR AREA BRACKETS WINDOWS AND DOORS AND THEN THEY PROVIDED US SOME NICE 3D VIEWS HERE.

SO THE NORTHWEST VIEW HERE THIS WOULD BE IF YOU WERE STANDING ON MAE RIVER ROAD LOOKING INTO THE SITE AND THIS IS IF WERE STANDING IN STOCK FARM AT ABOUT THE PARKING AREA THAT I POINTED OUT ON THAT SITE PLAN IT'S A LITTLE YOU'RE PROBABLY STANDING IN FRONT OF THE PARKING SPACES LOOKING TOWARDS THE BUILDING AND THIS WOULD BE MAE RIVER ROAD UP HERE.

HERE'S THE LANDSCAPE PLAN. SO AGAIN YOU'VE GOT THE PARKING SPACES HERE MAYBE RIVER ROAD TO YOUR THE STREET TREES AS WELL AS THE FOUNDATION PLANTINGS. THERE'S SOME SIDE IN THE MIDDLE HERE AND THE PLANTS SCHEDULE AS WELL THE CANOPY COVERAGE CALCULATIONS PROVIDED AT THE BOTTOM THERE AND I AM HAPPY TO GO BACK ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE WITH THE SPECIFICS OF APPROPRIATENESS THERE ARE STILL THE EIGHT REVIEW CRITERIA WHICH ARE STILL IN SECTION THREE AND THREE OF OUR ORDINANCE AND YOU ARE STILL AUTHORIZED TO APPROVE THE APPLICATION BY THE APPLICANT APPROVE IT WITH CONDITIONS OR DENY IT SHOULD YOU FIND IT DOESN'T MEET THOSE CRITERIA STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL WITH CONDITIONS THE ITEMS THAT ARE ON HERE IS THAT A TREE REMOVAL PERMIT REQUIRED AS THERE ARE TREES ON THE SITE WHICH ARE BEING PROPOSED FOR REMOVAL THAT MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF A TREE REMOVAL PERMIT A FEATURE IS REQUIRED FOR ANY SIGNS PROPOSED. I PUT THIS ON ANYTHING THAT HAS COMMERCIALS SO THAT EVEN THOUGH IT IS SHOWN ON THE ARCHITECTURAL DRAWING THAT DOES NOT MEAN THAT THAT WILL BE APPROVED. IT MEANS AS PROPOSED IN THIS

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CASE I'M NOT SURE I SEE ANY ISSUE WITH THE SIGNS. I JUST LIKE TO SAY THAT OVER AND OVER AGAIN SO THAT IT IS IN EVERYONE'S MIND AS WE GO THROUGH WITH THE FINE AND SITE FEATURE THERE. AND THEN THE THIRD IS THE RAILING AND BALLAST OR MATERIAL MUST BE REVISED TO A PERMITTED MATERIAL IT'S CURRENTLY PROPOSED AS THAT POWDER COATED ALUMINUM WE HAVE SEEN SOME OF IT BEFORE. HOWEVER OUR ORDINANCE DOES NOT SEEK TO POWDER CRITICAL ALUMINUM IT PERMIT. IT ALLOWS FOR ROT OR CAST IRON AS A METAL MATERIAL BUT NOT TANKS. THE POWDER COATED ALUMINUM.

AND THEN THE FINAL ONE IS EIGHT TERMINATION ON THE USE OF THE WOOD COMPOSITE HAMMER SHUTTERS ON THE SECOND FLOOR PORCH ONLY ARE ORDINANCE ALLOWS FOR THE USE OF WOOD COMPOSITE MATERIAL IF THEY ARE ON ABOVE THE FIRST STOREY OUT OF REACH AND ARE NOT ABLE TO BE DISCERNED FROM A WOOD FROM A DISTANCE I GUESS SO IN THIS CASE THESE ARE ONLY ON THE SECOND FLOOR SO YOU CAN SEE ON THE ELEVATIONS WHERE THAT IS BEING PROPOSED THESE ARE WOOD SHUTTERS BUT THESE HERE ARE THE WOOD COMPOSITE MATERIAL WHICH WOULD FALL ON THE SECOND STORY AND OUT OF REACH.

SO IT DOES MEET THAT REQUIREMENT. IT IS A DETERMINATION OF THE ON THE APPROPRIATENESS OF THE USE OF THAT WOOD COMPOSITE MATERIAL THERE.