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TO CALL THIS PLANNING COMMISSION.
MEETING TO ORDER THIS WEDNESDAY, THE JAN, JANUARY 24TH.
MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? CHAIRWOMAN AMANDA JACKSON DENMARK.
HERE, VICE CHAIRMAN CHARLIE WHITMORE.
[III. NOTICE REGARDING ADJOURNMENT]
REGARDING ADJOURNMENT, THE PLANNING COMMISSION WILL NOT HEAR NEW ITEMS AFTER 9:30 PM UNLESS AUTHORIZED BY MAJORITY VOTE OF THE COMMISSION MEMBERS PRESENT ITEMS WHICH HAVE NOT BEEN HEARD BEFORE, NINE 30 MAY BE CONTINUED TO THE NEXT REGULAR MEETING OR A SPECIAL MEETING DATE AS DETERMINED BY THE COMMISSION MEMBERS.[IV. ADOPTION OF THE AGENDA]
WE'RE GONNA MOVE ON TO ADOPTION OF THE AGENDA BEFORE.WHAT? UM, I HAVE A MOTION ON THAT.
I HAVE TWO THINGS THAT I NEED TO CHANGE ON THE AGENDA.
ONE, THERE IS A TECHNICAL AREA ERROR WHERE IT SAYS, UM, SIX, NUMBER SIX, ADOPTION OF MINUTES SHOULD REALLY SAY ELECTION OF OFFICERS.
AND THEN ALSO I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE AGENDA ITEM NUMBER TWO TO THE FIRST ITEM THAT WE SEE TONIGHT.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.
[V. ADOPTION OF MINUTES]
A I HAVE AN ADOPTION OF THE MINUTES FROM DECEMBER THE 20TH.ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.
OKAY, NOW WE HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING.
[VI. ADOPTION OF MINUTES]
WE HAVE ELECTION OF OFFICERS.UM, AND CARRIE'S GONNA PUT THAT UP MY, OKAY.
I FORGOT THAT THAT WAS BEFORE ALL OF, OKAY.
UM, TONIGHT WE HAVE, BECAUSE IT HAS BEEN A YEAR, WE HAVE NOMINATIONS OF OFFICERS.
THE PROCESS TO NOMINATE IS ABOVE YOU ON THE SCREEN OR IN FRONT OF YOU ON THE SCREEN IF YOU'RE LOOKING STRAIGHT AHEAD.
UM, THE TWO CHAIRS ARE BOTH, UM, ELECTABLE OFFICES.
AND THEN THERE IS A THIRD, WHICH IS THE DEVELOPMENT REVIEW COMMITTEE AT LARGE MEMBER.
SO THERE ARE THE CHAIR, VICE CHAIR, AND ONE AT LARGE MEMBER SIT ON THE DEVELOPMENT REVIEW COMMITTEE.
UM, JUST AS A REMINDER, BECAUSE THE CHAIR AND VICE CHAIR DO, SOMEONE ELSE WOULD BE IN THAT THIRD POSITION.
THAT THIRD POSITION PROVIDES FEEDBACK.
UM, SO EMAILS ARE SENT OUT WHEN WE RECEIVE AN APPLICATION AND THOSE EMAILS ARE 15 TO 20 BUSINESS DAYS IN ADVANCE OF WHEN WE EXPECT THOSE COMMENTS BACK TO US, WE ASK THAT YOU EMAIL US THE COMMENTS, WHOEVER'S NAME IS IN THAT EMAIL.
UM, AND BASICALLY IT IS THE, IT IS THE CONCEPTUAL OR THE PRELIMINARY APPLICATION FOR THOSE ITEMS. IT GIVES YOU A CHANCE TO LOOK AHEAD, BUT IT ALSO REQUIRES OF YOU THAT YOU LOOK AHEAD.
SO, UM, YOU'LL BE GETTING, YOU'LL BE GETTING EYES ON PROJECTS TWICE INSTEAD OF JUST THE ONES THAT YOU DO IN FRONT OF THIS COMMISSION HERE.
WE ALSO ASK THAT YOU ATTEND THE WEDNESDAY ONE.
THIS PLANNING COMMISSION WEDNESDAY AT 1:00 PM MEETINGS WHEN YOU'RE AVAILABLE.
BUT, UM, THAT IS NOT A REQUIRED ATTENDANCE SO MUCH AS A REQUESTED ATTENDANCE.
WE REQUIRE THAT YOU SEND US FEEDBACK ON THOSE APPLICATIONS AHEAD OF TIME.
SO THAT'S WHAT THE DRC POSITION IS.
AGAIN, THERE IS NO SECOND REQUIRED.
SO YOU, IF YOU HAVE SOMEBODY THAT YOU'D LIKE TO NOMINATE, YOU DO NOT HAVE TO SECOND IT, BUT YOU ARE ALLOWED TO IF YOU WANT TO SHOW ENDORSEMENT OF THAT PERSON.
SO, MADAM CHAIR, I'D LIKE TO NOMINATE AMANDA DEMARCUS CHAIR AGAIN, BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT GONNA GET AWAY FROM US.
YOU LIKE TO NOMINATE, UH, MR. CHARLIE WETMORE AS VICE CHAIR.
WE CAN WE DO ONE, HAVE THOSE ON THE FIRST.
UM, ALL IN FAVOR OF AMANDA DENMARK, MYSELF BEING CHAIR.
UM, ALL IN FAVOR OF CHARLIE WHITMORE BEING VICE CHAIR.
ANY NOMINATIONS FOR DRC? I'D LIKE TO NOMINATE RICH DELCOR FOR DRC AND WE DID SPEAK TO RICH TODAY.
HE WOULD BE HAPPY TO ACCEPT THE NOMINATION IF, UM, THERE, IF THAT EXISTS.
SO JUST, I'M SORRY, WE TALKED TO JIM.
UM, ALL IN FAVOR OF RICH BEING, UM, DRC MEMBER.
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WHERE'S THIS SLIDE FOR NO, WE DON'T HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS.AND WE DON'T HAVE ANY OLD BUSINESS.
[IX.2. Unified Development Ordinance Amendments (Public Hearing): Amendments to the Town of Bluffton’s Municipal Code of Ordinances, Chapter 23, Unified Development Ordinance, Relating to Contributing Resources and Development Standards in Old Town Bluffton Historic District, including Article 3 – Application Process, Sec. 3.18, Certificate of Appropriateness Historic District; Sec. 3.19, Site Feature-Historic District Permit; and, Sec. 3.25, Designation of Contributing Resources; Article 4 – Zoning Districts, Table 4.3, Uses by District; Article 5 – Design Standards, Sec. 5.10, Stormwater; 5.11, Parking; and, Sec. 5.15, Old Town Bluffton Historic District; and, Article 9 – Definitions and Interpretations, Sec. 9.2, Defined Terms and Sec. 9.3, Interpretation of Dimensional Standards. (Staff - Charlotte Moore)]
TO GO TO NEW BUSINESS, WHICH THIS IS, THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING.THIS IS THE FIRST CALL FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS.
I'M TRYING TO READ, I'M TRYING TO GO THROUGH MY ROLE AFTER THE, THE IS A PUBLIC HEARING.
THIS IS THE FIRST CALL FOR PUBLIC COMMENT ON ITEM NUMBER ONE.
CARRIE, THERE'S TWO DIFFERENT PLACES, TONY.
SORRY, TONY, WE WOULDN'T HAVE FORGOT YOU.
CONGRATULATIONS ON YOUR REAPPOINTMENT THE ELECTION.
AND MR. WETMORE, YOU KNOW THAT I HAVE AN INTEREST IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT AND IT'S MY PASSION AND I'M NOT HERE TO, I'M HERE TO WORK WITH YOU FOR OUR COMMON GOAL WITH THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, WHICH REALLY IS THE SOURCE OF COMMUNITY FOR ENTIRE BLUFFING, AS WELL AS THE SOURCE OF COMMENT.
AND WHEN I WENT ON THE WEBSITE TO LOOK AT FOR THE UDA, I NOTICED THAT THE VISION STATEMENT FROM BLUFFTON IS BLUFFTON, THE HEART OF THE LOW COUNTRY.
A TOWN THAT APPRECIATES THE PAST, FOCUSES ON TODAY AND IS PLANNING TO GATHER FOR A BETTER FUTURE.
I WOULD LIKE TO PLAN TOGETHER WITH YOU ALL.
SO IN READING A PRESENTATION THAT WAS MADE TO THE HPC, THAT'S WHERE MY COMMENTS ARE COMING FROM.
AND I HAVE A LOT OF COMMENTS, BUT I'M JUST GONNA SAY A FEW.
UM, ON PAGE THREE, ITEM 3.1 A SAYS THAT NEW CONSTRUCTION, AND THIS IS JUST A LITTLE TECHNICAL THING, I THINK EITHER YOU SHOULD ADD.
IT SAYS, NEW CONSTRUCTION AND ALTERATIONS SHOULD BE CONSISTENT WITH THE STANDARDS, CRITERIA AND GUIDELINES DEVELOPED BY THE DISTRICT.
YOU SHOULD SAY, STANDARDS DEVELOPED BY THE TOWN OF BLUFFTON TO DIFFERENTIATE FROM THE DEPARTMENT OF INTERIOR.
IT'S IMPLIED THAT SOMETIMES YOU NEED TO SAY THINGS, HOWEVER, AND I HAVE A THANK YOU FOR THESE NEW ADDITIONS FOR ADDING THE INFO ABOUT FOUNDATIONS FOR RELOCATING STRUCTURES.
I GUESS IT'S BETTER LATE THAN NEVER BECAUSE OUR, ONE OF OUR CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES IS BEING RUINED.
AND REGARDING THE RELOCATING STRUCTURE, I, I GUESS I'M GONNA SAY THAT WE REALLY NEED TO THINK ABOUT THE OWNER OF, OF THESE STRUCTURES THAT NEED TO BE RELOCATED OR, UM, DEMOLISHED FOR THAT PURPOSE OR REHABILITATED.
'CAUSE EVERYBODY'S NOT IN THE SAME FINANCIAL STATUS AND EVERYBODY CAN'T GO OUT, RUN OUT TO GET AN ENGINEER'S REPORT FOR $2,000, WHICH IS REQUIRED IN SOME CASES.
AND WE NEED TO BE A LITTLE MORE UNDERSTANDING AND TRANSPARENT.
AND THEN IN THIS SECTION AS WELL AS IN THE SECTION ON DEMOLITION, I THINK YOU TALK ABOUT EXTRAORDINARY.
THAT IS SO THAT VAGUE AND LEAVES SO MUCH ROOM FOR WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL IT.
I THINK WE NEED TO DEFINE EXTRAORDINARY OR AT LEAST GIVE SEVERAL EXAMPLES OF EXTRAORDINARY.
AND WE CAN ALL THINK OF EXAMPLES.
UM, AND THEN WHEN IT COMES TO REASSEMBLY, I HAVE A REAL ISSUE WITH REASSEMBLY.
OH LORD, I'VE GONE THREE MINUTES.
HOWEVER, RE ASSEMBLY IS, CAN YOU WRAP THAT UP? MENTIONED IN THE DEPARTMENT OF INTERIOR STANDARDS.
IT'S, IT'S, UM, UNIQUE TO DIFFERENT HISTORIC DISTRICTS.
AND I KNOW IT IS, BUT I THINK THAT REASSEMBLY COULD BE CONSIDERED RECONSTRUCTION.
RECONSTRUCTION IS NEW CONSTRUCTION.
AND THE DEPARTMENT OF INTERIOR ABOUT OMITTING IT IS REALLY IMPLYING THAT IT'S NEW CONSTRUCTION AS FAR AS THAT THING.
ARE YOU ALMOST, UM, AND LET JUST SAY MISSION STATEMENT.
I'M NOT, YOU KNOW, I'LL TALK TO SOMEONE I KNOW.
WELL, WE NEED TO, THE MISSION STATEMENT SAYS WE TAKE CARE OF OUR CITIZENS, THE TOWN AND EACH OTHER BY CONTINUOUSLY MAKING OUR COMMUNITY AND ORGANIZATION BETTER.
AND I THINK WE NEED TO ALWAYS CONSIDER OUR VISION AND MISSION.
JOANIE, CAN YOU, MS. JOANIE? YES.
CAN YOU MAKE SURE YOU EMAIL THAT TO, UM, STAFF SO THAT THEY CAN DISSEMINATE IT TO US? BECAUSE WE CAN, EVEN AFTER WE APPROVE
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IT TONIGHT, WE CAN DISSEMINATE AND SEND RECOMMENDATIONS WITH IT TO COUNCIL BASED ON WHAT WE SEE THERE.SO DO YOU WANT ME TO SEND IT TO HER? SEND IT TO CARRIE.
YOU'LL GET AN EMAIL FROM ME TONIGHT.
UM, THE SECOND CALL FOR PUBLIC COMMENT AND THIRD AND FINAL CALL FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.
THE PUBLIC HEARING'S CLOSED AND THEN WROTE, THANK YOU.
UH, THESE ARE, UH, AMENDMENTS TO, TO THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT ORDINANCE.
SOME OF THEM WILL LOOK FAMILIAR TO YOU, UH, INCLUDING AMENDMENTS TO, UH, OUR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS SECTION FIVE POINT, UH, 15.
UM, THIS WAS, AGAIN, THIS WAS REVIEWED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION LAST YEAR.
IT WENT ON TO TOWN COUNCIL FOR FIRST READING AND WAS APPROVED AT THE PUBLIC HEARING.
SOME QUESTIONS CAME UP AND, UH, SO THE DISCUSSION WAS PERHAPS IT SHOULD BE REMOVED FROM THE AGENDA AND SOME THINGS RECONSIDERED.
AFTER DISCUSSION, WE, WE LEFT THE AMENDMENTS AS PROPOSED ALONE.
UM, SO, UH, WHAT IS PROPOSED WITH THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, UM, YOU SEE HERE, I'VE IDENTIFIED SEVEN THINGS.
I'M NOT GONNA READ IT WORD FOR WORD.
UM, THIS IS, UH, BASICALLY SOME, UH, PROCEDURAL ITEMS INCLUDING A PROCESS FOR RELOCATION OF BUILDINGS, WHETHER OR NOT THEY'RE CONTRIBUTING TO THE DISTRICT OR NOT.
UM, WE'VE DONE SOME MINOR AMENDMENTS TO, UH, THE FORMATTING SECTION.
WE'RE DISTINGUISHING SHEDS FROM GARDEN STRUCTURES.
WE'RE MAKING SOME, UH, BUILD TO FRONT BUILD TO LINE CHANGES, UH, WITHIN THE, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD CORE AND NEIGHBORHOOD CENTER, UH, DISTRICT.
UM, ONE THING THAT DID COME UP THAT WE'VE REVIEWED SINCE THE TOWN COUNCIL MEETING IS, UM, IN THE CHARACTERISTICS FOR THE MEDIUM HOUSE TYPE THAT WE ARE PROPOSING IS THAT, UM, RIGHT NOW THE TEXT THAT WE'VE SUBMITTED TO THE COMMISSION SAYS LARGER THAN A CO COTTAGE, SMALLER THAN A VILLAGE HOUSE.
WELL, THE, THE MEDIUM HOUSE TYPE IS REALLY ESSENTIALLY A VILLAGE HOUSE, BUT IT'S NOT AS TALL.
SO WE, WE ARE RE UH, SUGGESTING A MINOR AMENDMENT TO THE LANGUAGE.
AND, UM, SO YOU SEE THAT THERE, UH, PARKING, THIS IS AGAIN, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT YOU REVIEWED LAST YEAR.
THIS RELATES TO, UH, NOT ALLOWING COMPACT PARKING SPACES TO BE CONSIDERED FOR REQUIRED PARKING FOR SMALLER DEVELOPMENTS.
UM, OUR RECOMMENDATION IS THAT WHERE THERE ARE 25 OR MORE, EXCUSE ME, 25 OR MORE PARKING SPACES REQUIRED THAT IT BE ONLY, UH, 25%.
UM, SO IT GOES FROM 25% TO 10% OF THE TOTAL.
UM, WE ARE ALSO RECOMMENDING THAT, UH, GOLF CART SPACES NOT BE COUNTED TOWARDS REQUIRED PARKING.
UM, AS WE'VE GROWN, UH, DOWNTOWN AND WE HAVE HAD MORE VISITORS TO THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, UM, WE CERTAINLY HAVE A NEED FOR VEHICULAR PARKING AND GOLF CARTS CAN PARK IN REGULAR PARKING SPACES.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE HAVE PROPOSED SINCE TOWN COUNT, OR SINCE THE PLANNING COMMISSION REVIEWED, UH, THE AMENDMENTS WAS THAT, UH, OUR DIMENSIONAL REQUIREMENTS FOR ANGLE PARKING, UM, ALLOW VEHICLES TO OVERHANG SLIGHTLY INTO THE DRIVE AISLES.
SO WE ARE RECOMMENDING SOME DIMENSIONAL CHANGES THERE.
OUR WATERSHED DEPARTMENT HAS ASKED FOR SOME AMENDMENTS TO THE STORM WATER SECTION, UH, RELATING TO MAKING A DISTINCTION BETWEEN DEVELOPMENT AND REDEVELOPMENT AND ALSO FOR THERE TO BE CONSISTENCY WITH THE BEAUFORT COUNTY STORM WATER REQUIREMENTS.
THESE ARE VERY MINOR AND THE FINAL EDITION IS FOR STOREFRONT MANUFACTURING TO ALLOW THAT TO BE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD GENERAL DISTRICT AS A, UH, CONDITIONAL USE.
AND THIS IS A, A USE THAT MAY HAVE SOME ASSEMBLY, SOME MANUFACTURING, BUT IT'S AT SCALE THAT'S SO SMALL THAT YOU WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO DISCERN THAT FROM THE OUTSIDE.
SO THINGS LIKE, UM, UH, FOR EXAMPLE, MAKING LEATHER GOODS, UM, SOME, UH, COFFEE GRINDING, SOMETHING OF THAT EFFECT.
UM, SO THAT'S, UH, AGAIN, A NEW PROPOSAL.
UM, AND IF YOU'D LIKE, I CAN GO THROUGH ANY OF THE AMENDMENTS.
I CAN BRING THOSE UP IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS AT ALL.
UH, THE REVIEW CRITERIA, UH, FOR TEXT AMENDMENTS, THERE ARE FIVE.
THE PROPOSED, UH, AMENDMENTS ARE CONSISTENT WITH THOSE CRITERIA.
AND THE ACTIONS THAT YOU CAN TAKE TONIGHT ARE EITHER TO APPROVE AS SUBMITTED, UH, APPROVE WITH
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AMENDMENTS OR TO DENY.AND IF YOU TAKE ACTION TONIGHT ON THIS ITEM, IT WILL MOVE FORWARD TO TOWN COUNCIL IN MARCH.
AND THERE WILL BE A PUBLIC HEARING IN APRIL.
ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS? IT'S DONE A GOOD JOB.
WE DUG INTO THIS DEEP LAST YEAR.
MUST WE DID QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, RECOMMENDATION.
IT'S A RECOMMENDATION, CORRECT? A RECOMMENDATION, SORRY.
YEAH, WE'VE, SO HERE, THERE, HERE IS A MOTION TO APPROVE WITHOUT ANY AMENDMENTS AT ALL.
AND WITH THE ONE AMENDMENT THAT WE HAD SUGGESTED TO THE VILLAGE HOUSE, WE HAVE THAT FOR YOU AS WELL.
DID YOU WANT TO DISCUSS THE DOOR WITH THAT? YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT, OH, I GUESS WE NEED TO DO, THAT'S NOT, YOU PICKED THAT COMMENT THAT YOU JUST HAVE RIGHT THERE WITH THE CARRIAGE HOUSE OR NO, NOT THAT CARRIAGE.
UM, SO WE DID HAVE DISCUSSION ABOUT THE WIDTH OF GARAGE DOORS.
SO PRESENTLY THE WIDTH RIGHT NOW IS 12 FEET.
SO A GARAGE, WE CONSIDER IT THE CARRIAGE HOUSE BUILDING TYPE.
UH, THE CURRENT LANGUAGE, NO, I GUESS WHAT I'M CONFUSED ABOUT IS YOUR REVISION.
WHAT'S ON THE SCREEN? CARRIAGE HOUSE CHARACTERISTICS FROM LARGER THAN OUR, WHY IS IT SAYING CARRIAGE HOUSE CHARACTERISTICS? SO THAT'S, THIS IS WHERE IT FALLS UNDER, SHOULD SAY MEDIUM GLASS.
RIGHT? THIS IS WHERE I'M GETTING CONFUSED.
LIKE THIS IS WHAT WE KIND OF TALKED ABOUT YESTERDAY.
THAT'S, I'M A LITTLE CONFUSED BECAUSE I WAS LIKE, WE DID GO OVER SOME OF
SO YES, THAT NEEDS TO SAY AND THEN LIKE, SORRY, I WAS GETTING HUNG ON UP ON THAT VERSUS THE OTHER.
THE OTHER THINGS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT, UM, PREVIOUSLY WERE THE GARAGE DOOR WIDTHS.
UM, IS THAT SOMETHING TO BE INCLUDED AT THIS TIME FROM, UM, 12 MAX TO 10 FOOT MAX? YOU MIGHT WANT TO EXPLAIN IT TO YEAH, I'LL CLEAN IT.
SO CURRENTLY, OR WHAT THEY WERE SUGGESTING WAS TO SAY THAT YOU COULD HAVE 12 FOOT DOORS FOR GARAGE DOORS.
YOU HAVE TWO OF THEM, WHICH IN THEORY IS 24 FEET, WHICH MEANS YOU NEED EXTRA FOOTAGE TO MAKE YOUR GARAGE, WHICH MEANS YOU HAVE A REALLY LARGE GARAGE FOOTPRINT, WHICH REALLY IS NOT WITH WHAT WE'RE ALLOWED, IT'S NOT EASY TO DO THAT.
BUT IF WE'RE TRYING TO KEEP THE SCALE DOWN ON THINGS, THEN WE, WE REALLY SHOULDN'T HAVE 12 FOOT GARAGE DOORS.
A TYPICAL DOOR WOULD BE, UM, NINE FOOT BY, UM, EIGHT FOOT.
AND OBVIOUSLY YOU CAN GET THINGS SHORTER, BUT WE WERE TRYING TO COME UP WITH A COMPROMISE.
WHAT IF SOMEBODY DID HAVE AN OVERSIZED VEHICLE AND WANTED TO HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO BE ABLE TO HAVE SOMETHING A LITTLE LARGER? I THINK 12 IS JUST, IN MY OPINION, TOO LARGE.
UM, ESPECIALLY THINKING ABOUT SCALE AND MASSING OF THE OVERALL BUILDING AND THE CHARACTER THAT WE'RE GOING FOR.
SO I WAS SUGGESTING THAT WE TAKE IT TO 10 FOOT.
AND THIS APPLIES TO CARRIAGE HOUSE.
THIS APPLIES TO YOUR GARAGE OVERHEAD DOOR.
WELL, THE ONLY PERIOD, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT THE ONLY PLACE WIDTH IS MENTIONED IS WHAT THE CARRIAGE HAS.
IT'S NOT MENTIONED WITH ANYTHING ELSE.
WELL, THAT'S WHAT IT WOULD BE PART OF.
EVEN IF YOU HAD IT CONNECTED TO A HOUSE STILL IN THAT REALM.
OBJECTION, THAT'S DO YOU NEED FOR ME TO BRING UP THE TEXT? SO THE, THE ORDINANCE READS NOW, UM, NO MORE THAN TWO SINGLE CAR GARAGES.
AND I THINK IT, I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS A MODIFICATION OR IF THAT'S WHAT IT IS, BUT YEAH, RIGHT HERE NOT EXCEEDING 12 FEET, IT'S RIGHT DOWN.
AND CAN WE, I'M JUST GONNA REITERATE THIS FOR EVERYBODY.
IS ONE LARGER DOOR ACCEPTABLE OR DO YOU HAVE TO HAVE TWO? SO HAVE ONE LARGER DOOR, BUT IT CANNOT EXCEED 12 FEET.
SO IF YOU ONLY WANT ONE DOOR, YOU CAN HAVE ONE DOOR, BUT IT CAN'T BE ANY MORE THAN 12, WHICH WOULD ALLOW FOR LIKE A BOAT TO BE STORED IN THERE.
OR, UM, I GUESS I'M JUST WORRIED IF WE SAY THAT WE'RE LETTING ANYBODY COULD PUT 24 FEET OF GARAGE DOORS ON THE NO, THEY CANNOT.
WELL, IT'S, I MEAN, IT'S TWO SEPARATE ONES, BUT THE MASSING OF THE BUILDING WOULD BE LARGE POTENTIALLY.
BUT YOU CAN STILL HAVE AN 800 SQUARE FOOT FOOTPRINT OF YOUR CARRIAGE HOUSE NO MATTER IF IT'S DOORS, WINDOWS, OR NOT A BLANK WALL, BUT A BLANK WALL WITH NO, UH, A WALL WITH NO INJURIES.
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COMMISSIONER DENMARK, THE WAY I READ THIS THOUGH, GARAGES ARE LIMITED TO TWO, THE KILLER OPENINGS NOT EXCEEDING 12 FOOT WIDTH.HOW DOES THAT, HOW DO YOU INTERPRET? YOU CAN ONLY HAVE ONE 12 FOOT DOOR AND NOT TWO DOORS.
THEY'RE LIMITED THAT YOU COULD HAVE TWO 12 FOOT DOORS, BUT IF YOU WANT ONLY ONE DOOR, IT COULD NOT BE A 24 FOOT DOOR.
YOU COULD HAVE ONE 12 FOOT DOOR, TWO 12 FOOT DOORS, TWO 12 FOOT DOORS, AND A SIX FOOT DOOR.
AND I'M JUST WONDERING, I KNOW I'M PROBABLY GETTING TWO PARTICULAR MM-HMM.
BUT I AM JUST GONNA OUTSIDE OF HISTORIC DISTRICT.
OKAY, JUST ROLL WITH ME FOR A MINUTE.
SOME OF THESE OTHER NEIGHBORHOODS THAT MIGHT HAVE ONE DOOR THAT'S LIKE 18 FEET FOR TWO CARS, CAN YOU DO THAT? CURRENTLY? NO, BECAUSE IT'S 12 FEET.
BUT WHAT, THIS IS ONLY WITHIN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, THE STANDARD.
SO NO MATTER WHAT, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE'RE PROTECTED THAT NO ONE CAN EVER HAVE.
LIKE I I I'M JUST WORRIED THAT THE MASS THING'S GONNA GET REALLY LARGE.
THAT'S MY CONCERN, BUT THAT'S JUST ME.
WELL, DO YOU WANT TO RECOMMEND A CHANGE TO IT? WELL, I MEAN, I'M ONE PERSON, SO THAT'S WHY I'D LIKE FEEDBACK IF ANYBODY ELSE SHARES THE CONCERN OR NOT.
BECAUSE IF WE DON'T SHARE THE CONCERN, WHAT'S THE STANDARD, WHAT'S THE STANDARD DOOR OUTSIDE OF THE, THE NINE? WELL, JUST IN GENERAL.
NINE FOOT WIDE BY EIGHT FOOT TALL.
SO WHAT'S WRONG WITH 10? WELL, THAT'S WHAT I WAS SUGGESTING, BUT IF CURRENTLY IT SAYS 12, I'M SUGGESTING IS 10.
SO THAT'S AS A FULL DISCLOSURE AS A RESIDENT OF OLD TOWN BLUFFTON, WHO HAS AN APPLICATION THAT'S COMING BEFORE A HPC IN FEBRUARY CONCERNING A CARRIAGE HOUSE.
I, I CONCUR WITH WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
I THINK 12 FEET IN THINKING OF THE DESIGN OF MY CARRIAGE HOUSE, IF I HAD 12 FEET, 12 FOOT DOORS ON THAT, I WOULD HAVE THE MASS AND SCALING WOULD LOOK DIFFERENT, ALTHOUGH KATIE WOULD PROBABLY WOULD LET ME BRING IT MICROPHONE.
BUT THE ONE THING THAT I CAN, UM, I MEAN IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL WITH 10 FEET INSTEAD OF 12 FEET, THAT IS UP TO YOU ALL ON YOUR DETERMINATION.
THIS SECTION IS ONLY APPLICABLE TO THE HISTORIC ZONING DISTRICTS.
SO ANYTHING OUTSIDE, THEY CAN HAVE A 24 FOOT WIDE DOOR.
IT DOESN'T, I MEAN, IT, IT MATTERS.
IT DOESN'T MATTER BECAUSE OF THIS REQUIREMENT JUST RIGHT HERE, THAT'S THE THING.
I'M THE LIMITING FACTOR ON THE WIDTH OF YOUR GARAGE IS GOING TO BE YOUR SQUARE FOOTAGE WHERE YOU HAVE TWO 12 FOOT DOORS AND A SIX FOOT DOOR PLUS 12 INCHES ON EITHER SIDE TO MAKE, YOU KNOW, UH, 12 DOOR, 12 DOOR 12, RIGHT? YOU'VE GOT 66 FEET.
THAT MEANS THAT THE DEPTH OF YOUR GARAGE IS ONLY GONNA BE, AND I, THESE ARE ROUGH NUMBERS.
I KNOW YOU CAN MAYBE DO IT WITH A LITTLE LESS THAN THAT, BUT YOUR DEPTH OF YOUR GARAGE, IF YOU'VE GOT THAT EXPANSE ON THE FRONT, IS GOING TO BE 12 FEET, 12 TIMES 66 IS GONNA MEET YOUR MAXIMUM, WHICH A CAR DOES NOT FIT IN.
AND SO IN ORDER TO HAVE THOSE GARAGE DOORS, WE WOULD LOOK AT THAT AND WE'D SAY, HEY, THIS IS NOT PROPORTIONATE.
AND WE'D BE ABLE TO MAYBE CATCH IT UNDER A DIFFERENT SECTION.
IF THEY HAVE TWO DOORS WITH THEIR 12 FEET EACH, IT IS GOING TO BE A CUSTOM DOOR, I BELIEVE BECAUSE THEY ARE 10 BY NINE, 10 BY EIGHT FOOT DOORS.
SO, UM, SO IT MAY, I THINK THAT A MAJORITY OF THEM ARE GOING TO BE NON-CUSTOM 10 FOOT WIDE OPENINGS.
BUT IF WE PUT THE 10 FOOT REQUIREMENT ON THERE AND THERE IS A CUSTOM DOOR THAT EXCEEDS IT BY AN INCH OR TWO, YOU MAY BE RESTRICTING SOMETHING OUT THAT ALLOWS FOR SOMEBODY'S BOAT TO NOT SIT IN THEIR FRONT YARD AND REAR YARD INSTEAD.
SO IT WAS BEING TOO RESTRICTIVE AND LIKE WOULD'VE CASE UP TO YOU ALL.
BUT I THINK THAT WAS THE INTENT TO FIND IT, IS THAT 12 FEET WOULD BE WIDE ENOUGH FOR A CAR AND A GOLF CART TO KIND OF SLIDE IN NEXT TO EACH OTHER IF THEY HAVE A ONE CAR GARAGE ESSENTIALLY, WHERE A 10 FOOT DOOR WOULD NOT BE WIDE ENOUGH, EVEN IF THE BAY OR THE, THE SPACE BEHIND THE DOOR, MAYBE WIDE ENOUGH FOR THE CAR IN THE GOLF CART, YOU COULDN'T WEDGE PAST THE CAR TO GET OUT OF A 10 FOOT DOOR IF THAT WAS THE CASE.
SO IT IS UP TO YOU ALL, THEY ARE REVIEWED ON OTHER CRITERIA BESIDES JUST THE WIDTH OF THE GARAGE DOOR.
SO, UM, MY PERSONAL, UH, PROFESSIONAL OPINION WOULD BE TO LEAVE IT AT 12 BECAUSE IT IS REALLY NOT BECAUSE ANYTHING THEY COULD ACTUALLY BUILD ANYWAY IF THEY WERE TO LINE IT UP.
BUT ALSO, SO I JUST THINK THE MATH ON THAT IS MAYBE A LITTLE BIT OFF.
'CAUSE IF YOU HAVE, YOU KNOW, EVEN IF YOU GIVE YOURSELF 18 INCHES ON EACH SIDE OF THE GARAGE DOORS, YOU CAN STILL HAVE A 20, WE HAVE AN 800 SQUARE FOOT FOOTPRINT, SO YOU COULD STILL HAVE OVER A 26 FOOT, 27 FOOT DEEP GARAGE.
IN THEORY, IF WE DO THAT, I AGREE THAT TWO 12
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FOOT DOORS NEXT TO EACH OTHER IS UNATTRACTIVE AND UNAPPEALING.BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT WE SHOULD RESTRICT PEOPLE FROM BEING ABLE TO HAVE A SINGLE CAR BOAT GARAGE OR THAT WOULD USE ONE.
I THINK ONE 12 FOOT DOOR COULD STILL HAVE THE MASSING OF A CHARMING STRUCTURE WHERE TWO 12 FOOT DOORS DON'T.
I THINK THAT'S, UM, TWO NEXT TO EACH OTHER.
SO I THINK IF THERE'S OTHER LANGUAGE THAT GIVES THE HPC THE ABILITY TO REGULATE BASED ON THE SCALE AND MASSING, NOT JUST SAYING THAT YOU, YOU'RE ALLOWED TO HAVE 12 FEET DOORS AND THEREFORE YOU CAN DO IT NO MATTER WHAT THE BUILDING LOOKS LIKE.
LIKE IF THEY HAVE SOME TEETH THERE, THEN I WOULD PROBABLY KEEP IT.
BUT IF IT, IF SOMEBODY CAN COME BEFORE US WITH, OR BEFORE HVC WITH TWO 12 FOOT DOORS NEXT TO EACH OTHER, THEN I THINK THAT'S YEAH.
THAT'S SOMETHING WE, IS THERE A WAY TO WORD IT IN THAT WAY? SO THAT JUST 'CAUSE THE VIDEO SAYS IT DOESN'T MAKE YOU RIGHT.
SO WHAT ARE YOU THINKING? YOU'RE THINKING UH, IF THEY DO ONE DOOR, IT CAN BE UP TO 12 FEET, BUT IF IT'S MORE THAN ONE DOOR, THEY MIGHT, THEY CANNOT BE MORE THAN 10 FEET.
IS THAT TOO RESTRICTED? UH, IT'S DEFINED.
AS FAR AS EVEN ANOTHER SCENARIO, I THINK THAT THAT IS PROBABLY AN ACCEPTABLE RECOMMENDATION.
UM, UH, ULTIMATELY IS UP TO TOWN COUNCIL TO ADOPT OR NOT.
SO I MEAN, IT COULD BE THAT THAT'S HOW YOU PROPOSE IT AND I CHANGE IT.
AND KNOWING IN YOUR HEARTS THAT IF THAT IS THE ONE THING THAT DOESN'T GET THE SAME OPINION THAT YOU HAVE TONIGHT, YEAH.
IT MAY NOT BE THE WORST THING IN THE WORLD, OR IT MIGHT BE, IT MIGHT BE OKAY BECAUSE YOU GUYS ARE A LITTLE UP IN THE ARMS, LIKE AFTER YOU'RE YOU OR IN THE BUSINESS AND DOING THINGS, YOU SEE THINGS AND PROTECT OTHER PEOPLE.
WELL I'LL TAKE A STAB AT IT IF YOU WANT.
UM, I MOVE TO APPROVE THE AMENDMENTS TO THE TOWN OF BLUFFTON CODE OF ORDINANCES CHAPTER 23 UDO AS SUBMITTED BY TOWN STAFF WITH THE FOLLOWING TWO AMENDMENTS.
ONE A REVISION TO THE MEDIUM HOUSE TYPE TO CHANGE THE CHARACTERISTIC FROM LARGER, LARGER THAN A COTTAGE AND SMALLER THAN A VILLAGE HOUSE TO LARGER THAN A COTTAGE.
AND TWO, IF YOU CAN GO BACK TO THE OTHER PAGE, I CAN PROBABLY I OR YEAH.
UM, REVISE WHAT SECTION IS THAT? JUST SO WE'VE GOT IT.
UM, DEFINITE UNDER DEFINITION F OF CARRIAGE HOUSE, REVISE IT TO READ.
GARAGES ARE LIMITED TO TWO VEHI, UH, IN GARAGES WITH ONE DOOR.
A MAXIMUM WIDTH OF 12 FEET IS ALLOWED IN GARAGES WITH TWO DOORS, A MAXIMUM OF 10 FOOT WIDTH IS ALLOWED PER DOOR OR VEHICLES.
12 FEET FOR ONE DOOR WITH, YEAH, WE ARE GONNA HAVE TO FIND, UM, ONE VEHICULAR DOOR, CORRECT BECAUSE VEHICULAR OPENING BECAUSE OF THE WHOLE, UM, GOLF CART.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE.
[IX.1. Car Village (Certificate of Appropriateness- Highway Corridor Overlay): A request by Dan Keefer on behalf of Charlie and Brown LLC for review of a Certificate of Appropriateness - Highway Corridor Overlay District application. The project consists of 20,000 SF of clubhouse space and 5 buildings divided into garage condominium units totally approximately 80,000SF and associated infrastructure. The property is zoned Village at Verdier PUD and consists of approximately 5.00 acres, identified by tax map number R610-021-000-0808-0000, located on Highway 170 approximately 1,200 feet south of Seagrass Station Road and falls within the Town of Bluffton Highway Corridor Overlay District. (COFA-08-23-018440) (Staff - Katie Peterson)]
ON OUR GARAGE ITEM TWO CAR VILLAGE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, HCOD.THIS PROJECT CONSISTS OF A 20,000 SQUARE FOOT OF CLUBHOUSE SPACE AND FIVE BUILDINGS DIVIDED INTO GARAGE CONDOMINIUM UNITS TOTALING APPROXIMATELY 80,000 SQUARE FEET AND ASSOCIATED INFRASTRUCTURE.
GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONERS AGAIN.
UM, SO AS MADAM CHAIR JUST READ, THIS IS A REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR THE CLUBHOUSE SPACE AND FIVE BUILDINGS, WHICH, UM, IT IS A TOTAL OF FIVE BUILDINGS, INCLUDING THE CLUBHOUSE, FIVE BUILDINGS DIVIDED INTO GARAGE CONDOMINIUM UNITS, UM, OF APPROXIMATELY 80,000 SQUARE FEET.
UM, IN THE VILLAGE AT VER VERDE, PUD,
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THE VILLAGE AT VERDE, PUD, WHICH IS SOMETIMES REFERRED TO, WE'VE GOT SEAGRASS STATION OUT THERE NOW IS REALLY THE NAME OF THAT DEVELOPMENT, UM, RUNS OFF OF THE ARCHITECTURAL STANDARDS FOR, FROM THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT ORDINANCE.UM, AND SO THAT IS DETAILED IN YOUR STAFF REPORT HOW WE GOT THERE.
HOWEVER, THE, UM, HIGHWAY CORRIDOR OVERLAY DISTRICT IS, IS REGULATED BY THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT ORDINANCE FOR THAT, FOR OUR SLIDESHOW TONIGHT.
I HAVE INCLUDED THE ELEVATIONS IN HERE.
UM, AGAIN, THE STAFF REPORT AND PACKET, WHICH IS FOUND ONLINE AND WAS DISTRIBUTED TO YOU ALL EARLIER, UH, THE END OF LAST WEEK.
AND FOR ANYBODY WHO'S WATCHING ONLINE, IT IS AVAILABLE IN THE AGENDA CENTER, WHICH IS LOCATED ON THE TOWN OF BLUFFTON.SE.GOV WEBSITE.
SO BECAUSE OF THE NUMBER OF BUILDINGS, THE NUMBER OF DETAILS THAT ARE INCLUDED IN HERE, I DO HAVE THE ARCHITECTURAL PACKAGE PULLED UP, BUT FOR TIME, I HAVE THE SITE PLAN HERE.
SO YOU CAN SEE THAT THIS IS BUILDING AB HERE.
THIS IS HIGHWAY ONE 70 AT THE FRONT OF YOUR, OR THE TOP OF YOUR SCREEN.
IT WOULD MAKE LIFE A LITTLE EASIER.
SO THIS IS HIGHWAY ONE 70 AND THIS IS THE ENTRANCE THAT IS PROPOSED.
LER BOULEVARD, I BELIEVE IS THE NAME OF THIS ROAD THAT IS BACK HERE, WHICH WILL BE TIED IN WITH A GATE ACCESS ONLY.
AGAIN, THIS IS SOMETHING YOU HAVE REVIEWED AS A DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
SO WHAT WE ARE LOOKING FOR IS THE LANDSCAPE LIGHTING AND ARCHITECTURE, WHICH IS SUBJECT TO THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS.
SO THIS IS BUILDING AB, THIS BLUE SPOT IS THE FOUNTAIN.
WE'VE GOT BUILDING C AND BUILDING D.
THIS ONE OVER HERE IS BUILDING E.
AND THEN THIS IS THE CLUBHOUSE BUILDING.
SO BUILDING A B, WHICH IS AGAIN AT THE FRONT OPPOSITE THE CLUBHOUSE.
UM, THIS IS GOING TO BE YOUR COMPOSITE FRONT ELEVATION AND REAR ELEVATION.
AND THEN I HAVE BROKEN IT OUT AS, AS THE APPLICANT HERE FOR THE A HALF AND B HALF OF BUILDING AB.
SO THIS IS THE CENTER LINE IS APPROXIMATELY HERE, WHICH THIS IS THE, THE ELEVATOR ON THE FLOOR PLANS THAT YOU ALL HAD.
AND THIS IS THE B HALF ELEVATIONS OF BUILDING AB.
SO AGAIN, THIS IS THAT CENTER LINE, WHICH IT, YOU'RE SEEING A BIT OF THE A SIDE HERE, JUST SO THAT YOU'RE TRACKING WHERE WE ARE.
AND THEN THIS IS THE ROOF PLAN FOR BUILDING AB, BUILDING C.
I'VE INCLUDED ALL OF THE ELEVATIONS ON ONE SHEET FOR YOU BUILDING D, WHICH IS VERY SIMILAR TO C, BUT I BELIEVE IT'S FAIRLY MIRRORED.
AND THEN THIS IS THE ROOF FOR BOTH OF THOSE.
BUILDING E, WHICH IS THE ONE THAT SITS BEHIND THE CLUBHOUSE IS THE ROOF FOR THAT AND THE ELEVATIONS FOR IT.
AND THEN THIS IS THE ROOF PLAN FOR THE CLUBHOUSE AS WELL AS THE ELEVATIONS FOR THE CLUBHOUSE HERE.
SO AGAIN, THIS IS THE FRONT ELEVATION.
SO THIS WILL BE WHAT FACES TOWARDS ONE 70 AND INTERNAL TO THE DEVELOPMENT.
THIS SIDE WOULD FACE BUILDING E HERE THEY PROVIDED SOME RENDERINGS.
THESE WERE ON THE COVER SHEET OF THEIR, UM, ARCHITECTURAL DRAWINGS.
THESE EL THESE RENDERINGS ARE NOT QUITE THE SAME AS THE ELEVATIONS, BUT I DID INCLUDE THEM FOR YOU BECAUSE IT DOES SHOW SOME OF THOSE DEPTH ELEMENTS.
SO FOR EXAMPLE, THERE'S ANOTHER ROW OF WINDOWS THAT RUNS ALONG THE BOTTOM HERE THAT ARE NOT SHOWING UP ON YOUR RENDERINGS, BUT THEY ARE ON THE, THE, UM, ELEVATION SHEETS AS WELL AS SOME OF THE, UM, TRIM DETAILING THAT GOES ALONG WITH THE WINDOWS THERE.
SO THERE WERE PREVIOUS ITERATIONS THAT HAD SOME OF THOSE, BUT THIS SHOWS THE SHADOW LINES, UM, THAT YOU CAN SEE ON THE FLOOR PLANS.
BUT IT'S A LITTLE HARD TO, UM, DISTINGUISH WHETHER THIS PIECE HERE SITS TWO INCHES PROUD OF THE REST OF THE WALL OR IF IT SITS THREE FEET OR IF IT SAYS 20 FEET.
SO I DID INCLUDE, UM, THIS, SO YOU HAVE A LITTLE BIT BETTER IMAGE OF THAT FOR YOU.
UM, AS WELL AS THIS IS JUST AN IMAGE STANDING BETWEEN THE, UM, IT SHOULD BE THE CLUBHOUSE AND BUILDING E ON YOUR RIGHT CLUBHOUSE ON YOUR LEFT WITH THE PEOPLE IN THE RED SHIRTS.
AND THEN THIS IS THE LANDSCAPE PLAN.
SO AGAIN, THIS KIND OF HAS THE FLOOR PLANS THAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT WHERE YOU CAN SEE WHERE THOSE BUILDINGS STEP BACK.
SO THIS IS THAT CENTER PORTION OF BUILDING AB THAT STEPS BACK AS WELL AS THE CLUBHOUSE.
IT FOCUSES FOR ME, UM, WHERE THOSE PIECES STEP OUT HERE.
SO YOU CAN SEE THOSE ON THE FLOOR PLANS, WHICH ARE IN YOUR PACKET.
BUT, UM, ON THIS, THIS SCREEN IS A LITTLE HARD TO SEE THOSE THINGS.
SO I'VE EXCLUDED THEM FROM THE POWERPOINT.
I'D BE HAPPY TO NAVIGATE TO THAT ARCHITECTURAL SET IF YOU NEED ME TO GO THERE OR WE NEED TO LOOK AT ANY ADDITIONAL DETAILS.
SO AGAIN, HIGHWAY ONE 70 IS AT THE
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TOP OF YOUR SCREEN.THIS IS THE CONNECTOR TO HAGER.
IS IT HAGER? IT'S HAGER AND I'VE BEEN CALLING IT HAER SINCE THE BEGINNING OF THIS PROJECT.
UM, THAT RUNS THROUGH THE DEVELOPMENT WITH GATE ACCESS ONLY FOR EMERGENCY VEHICLES.
AND AT THIS END I BELIEVE IT'S FOR THE, UM, IT'S FOR, UM, CONDOMINIUM OWNERS, CLUB MEMBERS AS WELL AS EMERGENCY VEHICLES.
SO AGAIN, AB, A, B, C, D, E, CLUBHOUSE, FOUNTAIN, LANDSCAPE PLAN, EXISTING POND.
AND THEN I HAVE ON THE SIDE PUT A LITTLE KEY AS I WORK MY WAY AROUND THE SITE BECAUSE AGAIN, ON A SUCH A LARGE SITE, IT IS CHALLENGING TO SEE THE DETAILS OF ALL OF THOSE ON ONE SCREEN.
SO I'M HAPPY TO GO BACK TO ANY OF THESE THAT YOU'D WISH.
BUT YOU SEE WE MOVE ACROSS THE FRONT OF THE SITE.
HERE'S AGAIN FOUNTAIN, IT'S A BLUE SPOT SO IT'S EASY TO TRACK AS WELL AS THE CORNER OF THAT EXISTING STORMWATER DETENTION.
AND THEN THIS GOES TO THE BACK.
SO YOU CAN STILL SEE THE, THE STORMWATER DETENTION OFFSITE HERE.
THIS IS THE CENTER OF THE SITE.
BLUE FOUNTAIN DIDN'T TURN BLUE IN THIS ONE BECAUSE IT'S TECHNICALLY NOT ON THIS PAGE.
AND THEN THIS IS THE BUILDING E HERE.
I'VE INCLUDED THE PLANT SCHEDULE.
AGAIN, IT'S A LOT OF WORDS ON A SCREEN, BUT SHOULD WE NEED IT, IT IS AVAILABLE FOR YOU.
AND THEN THIS IS ALL OF THE GATES AND FENCES.
SO YOU'VE GOT THE GATES INTERNAL TO THE SITE AS WELL AS THE PRIVACY FENCE FOR THE EDGES OF THE SITE.
AND THE ALUMINUM FENCE, WHICH IS TO GO AROUND THE SIDE OF THE PROPERTY.
THE DUMPSTER ENCLOSURE IS HERE ON THE TOP.
AND THEN THE FOUNTAIN INFORMATION IS HERE ON THE BOTTOM.
THERE'S A FLAGPOLE ON THE RIGHT.
AND THEN THIS IS THE LIGHTING PLAN.
LIGHTING PLANS ON POWERPOINTS ARE, UM, CHALLENGING.
SO THEY ARE AGAIN LOCATED IN YOUR PACKET, BUT THIS IS, THIS IS THE WIDE ANGLE VIEW OF IT, AS WELL AS THE DETAILS THAT ARE FOUND ON THAT, INCLUDING YOUR, UM, MAXIMUMS MINIMUMS AND AVERAGES FOR THOSE NUMBERS THAT ARE INCREDIBLY HARD TO SEE ON A POWERPOINT SLIDE.
BUT THIS IS THE SUMMARY OF THOSE CALCULATIONS AS WELL AS THE DETAILS FOR THOSE, UM, LIGHT POLES AND LIGHTS FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS HIGHWAY CORRIDOR.
THE REVIEW CRITERIA ARE FOUND IN SECTION 3 17 3 OF OUR UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT ORDINANCE.
UM, AND THESE ARE THOSE CRITERIA.
THIS IS LOCATED WITHIN THE, UM, VILLAGE OF VERDE, PUD IN THE, UM, I CAN'T WORK MY WAY THROUGH, BUT IT IS LISTED OUT THE WHOLE LIST OF THEM IN THE, OF THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENTS.
ESSENTIALLY ALL OF IT AGAIN, FALLS TO THE UDO FOR THE DESIGN CRITERIA.
UM, AND THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN IS THE ONLY OTHER PLAN THAT IS APPLICABLE TO THAT, WHICH HAS SOME DESIGN CRITERIA OR SOME DESIGN ASPECTS IN IT.
UM, AND IT HAS BEEN TO THE DEVELOPMENT REVIEW COMMITTEE.
THEY WERE MAKING A COUPLE MINOR CHANGES.
UM, I DID LOOK AT IT, WHILE IT HAS NOT BEEN FORMALLY SENT BACK TO THEM WITH THE TOWN COMMENTS, IT APPEARS AS THOUGH THEY HAVE ADDRESSED, ADDRESSED TO THE COMMENTS THAT WERE RELATING TO THE LANDSCAPING AROUND THE POND AND THE, UM, A COUPLE OTHER ITEMS THAT THEY HAD THAT WERE, UM, A BUILDING CORNER ENCROACHING INTO THE 50 FOOT BUFFER.
SO THOSE ITEMS HAVE BEEN ADDRESSED ON THE SET OF PLANS THAT WAS SUBMITTED FOR THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS.
THE PLANNING COMMISSION CAN APPROVE THE APPLICATION SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT, APPROVE THE APPLICATION WITH CONDITIONS, DENY THE APPLICATION IS SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT, AND, UM, WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS, STAFF FINDS THAT IT DOES MEET THOSE CRITERIA AND, UM, RECOMMENDS APPROVAL WITH CONDITIONS.
MADAM CHAIRMAN, IF YOU DON'T MIND, I'M GONNA RUN THROUGH THE ITEMS ON HERE BEFORE, UM, YOU ASK QUESTIONS SLASH OPEN IT UP TO THE APPLICANT FOR THEIR DISCUSSION JUST SO THAT I CAN YEAH, SOME OF THEM ARE COVER THEM.
THERE'S A LOT OF, UM, OR NOT A LOT.
THERE'S SEVERAL THAT ARE ADMINISTRATIVE SLASH UM, YEAH, ADMINISTRATIVE FOR THE MOST PART SLASH SCRIBNER ISH ITEMS. SO THE FIRST ONE IS TO INCREASE THE HEIGHT OF THE SEVERAL OF THE BUSHES THAT ARE BEING PLANTED.
THE UDO REQUIRES THE SHRUB HEIGHT FOR PLANTINGS TO BE 36 INCHES.
THEY'RE JUST NOT QUITE AT THAT.
UM, SO THE SPOTS ON THE LANDSCAPE PLAN WILL APPEAR THE SAME.
THE PLANTING SCHEDULE JUST NEED TO BE UPDATED.
THE UM, NEXT ITEMS ARE THE SERVICE YARD INFORMATION OR INFORMATION REGARDING THE ROOF MOUNTED EQUIPMENT ON BUILDING AB.
UM, DURING DISCUSSIONS BETWEEN THE CONCEPTUAL SUBMITTAL AND NOW THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT NOT HAVING ANYTHING ON THE ROOF AND THEN THERE'S A IMAGE OF SOMETHING THAT IS ON THE ROOF.
FOR THIS, I CALLED THE ARCHITECT AND KEVIN AND I DISCUSSED THAT HE SAID THAT THERE WAS NOT SUPPOSED TO BE SOMETHING THERE.
HE CAN SPEAK TO THAT A LITTLE MORE CLEARLY THAN I CAN, BUT FROM THE SOUNDS OF IT, THAT ITEM WILL JUST BE REMOVED FROM THE ROOF AND UM, WAS NOT INTENDED TO BE THERE.
THE PARAPET ON THE LEFT SIDE ELEVATION OF
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BUILDING E IS THE SAME WHERE IT HAS AT ONE ITERATION IT WAS ONE HEIGHT AND IT IS REFLECTED ON ONE HALF THAT IT HAS BEEN MOVED UP, BUT NOT THE OTHER HALF OF THE BUILDING.SO IT JUST NEEDS TO BE RAISED THERE.
AND THEN THE WALL MOUNTED MECHANICALS WE HAD DISCUSSED REMOVING THOSE, UM, BECAUSE THEY HAD BEEN PREVIOUSLY SHOWN ON THE FRONT ELEVATION, ONE 70 ELEVATION AND THEY WERE INTENDED TO BE MOVED TO THE INTERIOR SIDE ON ONE OF THE ELEVATIONS.
THAT'S SHOWING UP WITH THE UNIT MOUNTED ON THE, IT'S NOT A COLUMN, BUT, UM, THE, IT'S, IT'S SHOWN ON THE ELEVATION IN ONE LOCATION, BUT NEEDS TO BE SHOWN IN ALL LOCATIONS WHERE THEY WILL BE TO SCALE AND HAVE THAT, UM, REFLECTED.
SO IT'S, IT'S JUST NOT BEING REFLECTED ON SOME OF THE DRAWINGS, SO IT NEEDS TO BE UPDATED.
THE UM, THIRD ITEM IS ADDITIONAL INFORMATION REGARDING THE WALL-MOUNTED LIGHTS ON EACH OF THE BUILDINGS.
THERE'S A ZERO, UM, ALONG THE ENTIRE FRONT OF THE PROPERTY, BUT IT APPEARS THAT THERE ARE, UM, BOTTOM NINE LIGHTS OR SO ALONG THAT FRONT ELEVATION, ESPECIALLY OF AB HERE WHERE THIS ALL IS AT THE LIGHT PLAN.
UM, SO THIS IS BUILDING AB THIS ELEVATION HERE.
ALL OF THESE LIGHTS HERE HAVE SOMETHING, BUT THEY'RE SHOWING ZERO ON THE ILLUMINATION PLANS.
SO THERE'S NOT INFORMATION ABOUT THOSE, UM, NOR A SPEC FOR THOSE LIGHTS TO BE INCORPORATED IN.
UM, WHILE WE UNDERSTAND THAT THEY SOMETIMES CANNOT MAKE IT INTO THE PHOTOMETRIC TABLE INFORMATION SHOWING THAT THEY'RE FULL CUTOFFS AND THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE SPOTLIGHTS STICKING OUT STRAIGHT OF THE BUILDING, UM, MAY BE ADEQUATE TO MEET THAT REQUIREMENT, UM, WHICH IS DOUBTFUL FOR THE RECORD, BUT UNLESS WE SAY IT, UM, THE WHOLE HEIGHT IS SHOWN AT 25 FEET FOR THE AUDUBON AND DOUBLE LARGE AUDUBON LIGHTS, WHICH ARE THE LIGHTS THAT ARE IN THE PARKING LOT.
THEY NEED TO BE REDUCED, NO TALLER THAN 20 FEET, WHICH IS A REQUIREMENT OF OUR ORDINANCE.
AND THEN THE, UM, A DETERMINATION ON THE APPROPRIATENESS OF THE LEVELS OF ILLUMINATION.
THEY'RE REQUESTING A DEVIATION FROM THAT WITH THEIR ILLUMINATION TABLES.
THEY ARE BELOW ON ALL COUNTS, UM, THEIR ILLUMINATION LEVELS.
SO THAT DOES BODE WELL AS LONG AS THEY AREN'T SPOTLIGHTS, WHICH I ASSUME THEY'RE NOT FOR THOSE LIGHTS SINCE THAT WILL RAISE THE ILLUMINATION LEVELS JUST A BIT.
UM, BUT THEY ARE UNDER ON ALL OF THOSE.
SO, UM, THE ITEM THAT WE'RE, WE APPLY IT TO, IT WOULD BE COMMERCIAL PARKING LOT BECAUSE THAT IS ESSENTIALLY WHAT THE, IT'S A COMMERCIAL SPACE, IT IS A PARKING LOT SPACE.
UM, AND IF IT IS A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD, WHICH IT IS NOT, BUT THEY ARE CONDOMINIUMIZED UNITS, THEY'RE OVER BY ABOUT 6.0 ON ALL COUNTS AS WELL.
SO, UM, THE, THE BEST PLACE TO, OR THE BEST CATEGORY TO PUT IT INTO WOULD BE THAT COMMERCIAL PARKING LOT AREA.
IT IS OVER ON THAT, BUT UM, THEY'RE REQUESTING THE DEVIATION FROM THAT TO ALLOW IT TO BE LOWER THAN THAT, WHICH, UM, IS UP TO YOU ALL ON THAT DETERMINATION.
BUT SINCE IT WILL NOT BE USED AS A, THE SAME CONCEPT AS A PUBLIX OR A WALGREENS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, UM, A DEVIATION MAY BE WARRANTED IF IT IS, IF YOU FIND THAT IT IS REASONABLE.
UM, THE NEXT ONE IS JUST THE COLOR BOARD AND MATERIALS FOR BUILDING CDE AND THE CLUBHOUSE.
UM, THERE WAS A COLOR BOARD PROVIDED, BUT IT WAS JUST LABELED THAT IT WAS FOR THE ELEVATIONS AND AB.
SO, UM, MAKING SURE THAT THAT IS APPLICABLE TO ALL OF THEM SO THAT WE KNOW WHAT IS TO BE EXPECTED.
THE NEXT ONE IS THAT COPE AND BLUE IS A COLOR VALUE OF ABOUT 65.3%, I BELIEVE IS THE SPECIFIC NUMBER I'VE LISTED IT IN YOUR STAFF REPORT THOUGH, IS I THINK 65.
IF IT'S A, UM, PRIMARY COLOR IN THE HIGHWAY CORRIDOR AS A PART OF THE BUILDING FACADE, IT IS TO BE NO MORE THAN 50% COLOR VALUE.
SO THAT JUST NEEDS TO BE UPDATED TO BE A, A COLOR THAT IS LESS THAN THAT 50% OR A TAN BROWN OX BLOOD, THE LIST OF PERMITTED COLORS.
SO IT COULD GO EITHER WAY ON THAT.
UH, ALL COMMENTS FOR THE FINAL DRC FOR THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN NEED TO BE ADDRESSED, WHICH IS ADMINISTRATIVE AND YOU ALL SEE THAT FAIRLY OFTEN.
UM, THE POAI ACTUALLY SPOKE WITH THE PROPERTY OWNERS ASSOCIATION AND THEY DID CLARIFY THAT THAT WAS THE CASE.
THERE WAS JUST A LINE IN THERE THAT SAID, FOR YOUR ARCHITECTURAL STATUS, PLEASE CLICK THIS LINK.
I DIDN'T HAVE ACCESS TO THAT LINK, SO I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY HAD NOT JUST REVIEWED THE LANDSCAPING FOR SOME REASON THEY SAID THAT THEY ARE GOOD TO GO ON ALL COUNTS.
SO, UM, NUMBER NINE SHOULD BE A NON-ISSUE.
AND THEN NUMBER 10 IS JUST TO UPDATE THE FOLLOWING NOTES.
NOTES TO ADD, UM, A NOTE THAT IT DOES NEED TO BE REVIEWED BY THE TOWN OF BLUFFTON AS WELL.
THEY ARE GENERIC STATEMENTS THAT SAY THINGS LIKE, HEY, OUR NUMBERS MIGHT BE A LITTLE OFF IN THE FIELD, BUT BECAUSE THEY ARE TO DO WITH THE LANDSCAPING SPECIFICALLY, UM, THOSE NOTES CANNOT JUST BE FIELD MODIFIED BY THE CONTRACTOR AND THEY DO NEED TO BE REVIEWED BY THE TOWN OF LEFTIN.
SHOULD THEY MAKE CHANGES TO THOSE PLANS, THE LAYOUT, THE, UM, DESIGN OF THE FOUNTAIN, UM,
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OR THE NUMBER OR SPECIES OF PLANTINGS.SO THOSE ARE ALL THE ITEMS I HAVE.
DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME BEFORE YOU OPEN UP THE FLOOR TO THE APPLICANT? I, I CAN COME BACK TOO.
I'LL GO AHEAD AND OPEN TO THE APPLICANT IF EVERYBODY'S GOOD.
WOULD THE APPLICANT LIKE TO SPEAK? DO YOU WANT ME TO RUN THE MASK OR DO YOU WANT TO RUN MASK? UH, TRY TO RUN MASK.
DAN KEEFER WITH WHI JONES KEEFER AND KEVIN'S GONNA BE UP HERE AS WELL.
UM, KEVIN NER FROM KRA ARCHITECTURE.
FIRST THING, WE WANTED TO THANK EVERYBODY, KATIE, ESPECIALLY FOR THE PROCESS.
THIS WAS, I THINK WE WERE THE FIRST ONE TO GO THROUGH THE CONCEPTUAL REVIEW PROCESS FOR CORRIDOR REVIEW.
SO WE, WE SUBMITTED CONCEPTUAL PLANS AND HAD QUITE EXTENSIVE BACK AND FORTH TO GET TO WHERE WE'RE AT.
SO I THINK IT'S HELPED SO THAT WE'RE HERE MORE WITH A FINALIZED VERSION VERSION OF THE PLAN.
SO THANK YOU EVERYBODY FOR THAT.
AND IT WAS A LITTLE MORE WORK FOR EVERYBODY, BUT WE, WE APPRECIATE THAT.
UM, WE WERE GONNA JUST GO THROUGH THE LIST.
UM, I'LL GO THROUGH THE LANDSCAPE AND SITE ITEMS AND THEN KEVIN WILL GO THROUGH THE ARCHITECTURE ITEMS. THEN WE'LL BE AVAILABLE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
MOST OF 'EM ARE, ARE PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD.
NUMBER ONE WITH THE LANDSCAPE, THERE'S TWO, MOST OF THE, OR SOME OF THOSE PLANTS ARE IN INTERIOR.
THE ONES THAT ARE IN THE BUFFER, THE YELLOW ANISE AND THE BY BURNS ARE THE ONES THAT ARE THE 36 INCH REQUIREMENT.
BUT WE'LL CONFIRM THAT WITH KATIE.
THE, THE ONES THAT ARE INTERNAL, UM, OR EXCUSE ME, QUESTION.
SHE WAS SAYING WE HAVE TO INCREASE IT.
YOU'RE SAYING THOSE ARE DIFFERENT PLANTS? THE, SO SEVERAL OF THE PLANTS, LIKE FOR EXAMPLE, THE, THE BOX WOOD ARE ONLY USED AROUND THE FOUNTAIN.
SO THOSE WOULD BE LOWER LIKE 12, 18 INCHES I THINK WE HAD.
UH, IF THEY NEED TO BE BIGGER, WE'LL WE'LL CERTAINLY MEET THE REQUIREMENT.
UM, I THINK IT'S JUST A COUPLE OF THE ONES THAT ARE IN THE ACTUAL BUFFER AREA ARE THE ONES THAT NEED TO BE MEET THE REQUIREMENT.
BUT I SEE KATIE SHAKING HER HEAD AND WE'LL CERTAINLY MEET THE REQUIREMENTS THAT WE, WE NEED TO, IF THAT CAN BE A STAFF LEVEL COORDINATION ITEM.
THE, UM, I'M GONNA SKIP TO THE, THE LIGHTS.
SO THE, THE PALM ELECTRIC LIGHTS, THEY'RE 25 FOOT POLES, BUT THEY PUT FIVE FOOT IN THE GROUND.
SO ON ON THE PLAN IT SAYS 25 FOOT, BUT IT SAYS 20 FOOT MOUNTING HEIGHT.
SO THEY PUT FIVE FOOT IN THE GROUND, SO THERE'LL BE 20 FOOT HEIGHT, WE'LL PUT FIVE FOOT ONE ON THE GROUND JUST TO BE SAFE.
I'M BRINGING THE TECHNICIAN WRITE ON THE PLAN, MAKE SURE THAT IT'S SHOWN THAT, YEAH, IT'S, IT, IT'S, IT IS ON THE PLAN.
THEY, THEY SAID THAT, UH, THE, AS FAR AS THE LIGHTING, THE PHOTOMETRICS, WE HAD TWO VERSIONS OF THE LIGHTING PLAN.
THE FIRST VERSION WE SUBMITTED I THINK IN, IN DECEMBER.
AND WE, WE WORK WITH PALM ELECTRIC AND THEY, THE LIGHTS ARE, ARE ALL LEASED.
AND BASICALLY WHAT THEY DO IS WE, WE LOCATE THE LIGHTS AND WORK WITH THEM AS FAR AS STRATEGY AND WHERE WE NEED THE LIGHTS.
AND THEY, THEY RUN THE PHOTOMETRICS FOR BASICALLY WHERE THE LIGHTS ARE LOCATED.
SO THEY, THEY RAN THEIR, THEIR CALCULATIONS AROUND THE BUILDING FOOTPRINTS AND, AND CAME BACK WITH THE PHOTOMETRICS THAT MEET THE TOWN TOWN REQUIREMENTS.
AND THEY'RE, THEY'RE USED TO THE REQUIREMENTS 'CAUSE THEY HAVE A, A SHEET THAT HAS TO BE SIGNED OFF BY THE TOWN OR THE COUNTY.
SO THEY SORT OF, THEY, THEY WANNA KNOW THE RULES UP FRONT MORE THAN ANYBODY.
SO THEY'RE NOT, SO THEY'RE DESIGNING APPROPRIATELY.
WE WENT BACK TO THEM WITH THE COMMENT OF GETTING, THEY HAD TO SHOW THE ZEROS ALL THE WAY TO THE PROPERTY LINE.
SO WHEN THEY RERAN THEIR, THEIR NUMBERS, THEY CALCULATED THE ENTIRE SITE.
SO FOR EXAMPLE, BEHIND THE BUILDINGS AND OVER TOP OF THE BUILDINGS, ALL THE WAY TO THE PROPERTY LINE WERE ZEROS.
SO IN THEIR LIGHTING INTENSITY THEY HAD LESS AREAS.
BASICALLY THEY HAD BUFFERS OF THE PROPERTY AT ZERO.
SO THE AVERAGE WAS SIGNIFICANTLY DIMINISHED.
SO I THINK WHAT WE CAN DO IS HAVE THEM, AND MAYBE THIS IS FOR FUTURE REFERENCE TOO.
WE COULD HAVE THEM DO AN OVERALL PLAN, LIKE A EXHIBIT THAT SHOWS ZERO AROUND THE SITE JUST FOR A REFERENCE ONLY.
AND THEN MAYBE WE CAN HAVE THEM RUN THE METRIC OF THE USE ZONE WHERE THE ZEROS WHERE THE LIGHTING STOPS TO SHOW THAT, THAT WE'RE MEETING THE REQUIREMENTS.
AND, AND OBVIOUSLY WHAT WAS SUBMITTED WE'RE FINE.
IF, IF YOU GUYS ACCEPT THAT I SUBMITTED, THAT'S GREAT, BUT I JUST WANTED TO EXPLAIN THAT, HOW THAT WORKS.
SO IT'D BE LIKE THE, IF YOU TOOK THE WALMART PARKING LOT FOR EXAMPLE, AND EXPENDED IT ALL THE WAY BACK TO WITHIN THE BUFFERS ON 2 78 AND CALCULATED THAT ZERO, THE NUMBER GETS SIGNIFICANTLY DIMINISHED.
THAT, DID I EXPLAIN THAT FOR EVERYBODY?
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AND YOU SAID IT ENCOMPASSES THE ROOF PLAN OF THE BUILDINGS TOO, RIGHT? SO THAT'S AN ADDITIONAL DIMINISH YEAH.I'M NOT SURE EXACTLY WHAT THEY USE FOR THAT, BUT THE ZEROS AND THE BUFFER ARE THE BIG THINGS, BIG DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE FIRST, THE TWO PLANS.
UM, KATIE, YOU SAID SOMETHING ABOUT LIGHTING WAS DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WAS REQUIRED.
I THINK YOU WERE EVEN SAYING THAT IT WAS LOW, WASN'T IT LOWER? SO HOW DOES THAT APPLY TO WHAT YOU'RE JUST TALKING ABOUT? DID THE GROWS REDUCE THE OVERALL YES, I UNDER, SO, SO THEY'RE BELOW OUR REQUIREMENTS FOR COMMERCIAL.
UM, ALRIGHT, JUST STEPPING A LITTLE CLOSER SO THAT BIG BROTHER HEARS ME.
UM, THE, THEY'RE LOWER THAN WHAT IT IS.
THIS IS KIND OF SIMILAR TO, UM, I THINK THE BEST ONE I CAN COMPARE IT TO IS, I THINK IT WAS LAST MONTH THAT WE HAD THE RESTAURANT OUT AT NEW RIVERSIDE WHERE THE TRIANGLE SHAPED PARCEL BECAUSE THAT BACK THIRD OF THE PARCEL IS NOT DEVELOPED WITH ANYTHING.
IT WAS ALL, UM, BUFFER AND GREEN.
THE ZEROS OUT THERE BRING THE WHOLE NUMBER DOWN.
I MEAN, YOU GUYS ARE FAMILIAR WITH THE IDEA OF AN AVERAGE AND WHEN YOU GET THAT AVERAGE BECAUSE YOU'VE PUT IT OVER THE WHOLE SITE, WHICH THE WHOLE SITE ISN'T LIGHTED BECAUSE PART OF IT IS, IN THIS CASE MOST OF IT IS, BUT UM, THE WHOLE SITE, WHEN IT BECOMES LIGHTED, IT BRINGS THAT NUMBER DOWN BECAUSE IT HAS TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION 75 ZEROS WHICH PULL THE WHOLE NUMBER DOWN.
IT DOES NOT PULL THE MAXIMUM NUMBER DOWN BECAUSE SOMEWHERE ON THAT SITE, THE MAXIMUM NUMBER IS STILL BEING MET AND IT DOES NOT PULL THE MINIMUM DOWN BECAUSE THE MINIMUM IS GOING TO BE ZERO ON THERE SOMEWHERE.
BUT, UM, THAT AVERAGE NUMBER, IT, IT AFFECTS THAT IT PULLS INTO ONE IT'S TUG OF WAR AND THE ZEROS ARE WINNING WAY TO SAY IT.
ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU HAVE 50 FOOT BUFFERS AROUND THE WHOLE PROPERTY.
I THINK, I THINK, UH, EIGHT, NINE AND 10 WE'VE, THEY'RE SORT OF MORE STAFF LEVEL ITEMS THAT, THAT WE'VE ALREADY, UM, DISCUSSED.
SO I'LL LET KEVIN GO IN THE ARCHITECTURE.
UM, SO AS KATIE MENTIONED IN HER PRESENTATION, WE HAD THE DISCUSSION ABOUT, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE HVAC UNITS BEING SHOWN ON THE WRONG FACE, ON THE WRONG SIDE ON SOME BUILDINGS AND THEY'RE CORRECT ON THE OTHER.
SO SHE WAS JUST CONFUSED, WHICH IS WHY SHE CALLED ME.
SO WE HAVE SINCE MADE SURE THAT EVERY SINGLE UNIT IS BEHIND THE BUILDINGS, NOT ON THE ONE 70 SIDE.
SO WE'VE ALREADY ADDRESSED THAT COMMENT, BUT YOU'LL WORK WITH STAFF ON THAT? YES, CORRECT.
WELL I HAVE, I HAVE AN AC QUESTION ON THAT.
THE INDIVIDUAL UNITS, KEVIN, IF I READ IT CORRECT, ARE 1500 SQUARE FEET OVER THREE FLOORS? MM-HMM
ARE ARE YOU PUTTING MINI SPLITS IN THERE? YES.
AND DID I READ THE PLANS? CORRECT.
THAT BASICALLY THE CONDENSER UNIT FOR THE MINI SPLIT IS 90 DEGREES TO THE BUILDING IN BETWEEN WHERE THE GARAGE DOORS ARE? IT'S, IT'S ON THE PILE LASTERS, THEY'RE ON THE INTERIOR FACE.
THAT WOULD FACE YOU FOR LACK OF A BETTER TERMINOLOGY.
YEAH, NO, I'M JUST TRYING TO GET A FEEL FOR, I ACTUALLY CAN SHOW YOU, I CAN ACTUALLY SHOW YOU AN UPDATED PLAN IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT.
YEAH, LET'S JUST SEE IF YOU CAN YOU POINT IT IT OUT, WHAT, WHATEVER KATIE'S GOING ON.
YOU DIDN'T PAY YOUR INTERNET BILL OR NOT, SO EACH UNIT HAS THREE MINI SPLITS? NO, IT WOULD HAVE ONE ONE MINI SPLIT FOR THREE PER UNIT.
PER PER DAY EACH? YEAH, EACH UNIT.
THREE FLOORS HAS ONE MINI SPLIT.
THEY COULD, YEAH, THEY COULD DO A MULTI-HEADED MINI SPLIT SO THEY COULD HAVE FOUR OR FIVE HEADS IN THERE.
UM, MY CONCERN WAS MORE ON THE, WITHIN OUR
JUST ASSUMING WE WERE GONNA HAVE RESTAURANT LOADS AND UNITS THAT WE CAN'T COVER WITH MINI SPLITS.
WE DEFINITELY DIDN'T PUT ANYTHING ON THE ROOF FOR COST ISSUES.
YOU CAN, AND I KNOW THIS IS A CONVERSATION FOR ANOTHER DAY, BUT YOU CAN GET SOME OF THE NEW SIDE DISCHARGE STUFF THAT IS ABOUT THE SAME SIZE AS A MINI SPLIT IF YOU RUN INTO SPACE CONSIDERATIONS OUTSIDE ON THE COMMERCIAL.
YOU WANNA GET YOUR ENGINEER'S LICENSE
WELL SINCE WE'RE JUST TALKING ABOUT SERVICE YARDS TOO, THERE WAS ONE SHOWN ON A SIDE ELEVATION, BUT THOSE ARE METER LOCATIONS? NO, THERE'S ONE ON UM, GENERATOR MAYBE.
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YES.ANYWAY, GO BACK TO YEAH, YOU CAN SEE RIGHT HERE.
IT'S DOWN BELOW, RIGHT? NO, THEY'RE OUT.
WHAT ARE THE THESE ARE GARAGE DOORS.
I'M NOT GONNA PUT 'EM WHERE A CAR COULD WELL AND THAT'S WHAT THAT, THAT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS I WAS WONDERING IS YEAH, YOU KNOW THEY'RE GONNA BE ON BRACKETS ON THE WALL PROBABLY AT YOUR FACE HEIGHT.
THEY'RE GONNA BE BIGGER THAN THAT BUT THAT'S AS LONG AS THEY'RE ON THE SIDE OF THE BUILDING THEN IT DOESN'T MATTER.
YOU KNOW, I MEAN THEY PROJECT FOUR FEET OUT SO SOMETIME IN SOME CASES SIX FEET OUT.
SO AS LONG AS THE MINI SPLIT ITSELF ISN'T BIGGER THAN FOUR FEET.
IT'S IT'S LIKE THE SIZE OF A SUITCASE.
YOU'RE GONNA NEED TWO TO THREE TON.
YOU'RE SAYING THAT THESE YES, YOUR ARE PROJECTING FOUR FEET IN THIS, IN THIS DIRECTION.
SO FOUR FEET BACK, I MEAN PERPENDICULAR TO THE BUILDING.
THEY FIT ALONG THE SIDE OF THE POST.
NOT STICKING OUT PAST, BUT HOW FAR DOES THAT POST COME OUT? THAT'S THE TABBY POST THAT YOU HAVE SHOWN THERE AT MINIMUM FOUR FEET DEPENDING WHERE YOU ARE ON THE BUILDING.
BECAUSE WE DON'T, I MEAN WE CAN'T SEE THE DEPTH ON THE STRIKE.
SO I THOUGHT YOU MEANT THE BALLARD WHEN YOU SAID POST.
NO, I THOUGHT THE BALLARD WAS THE OUTDOOR UNIT.
MY QUESTION WAS THE SERVICE AREA, IT'S ON THE RIGHT ELEVATION ON BUILDING A ELEVATION.
IT WASN'T ON THE PLAN BUT I SAW IT ON THE ELEVATION.
FOR BUILDING AB IT JUST SAYS BUILDING A ELEVATION.
WHERE, WHERE IS THAT? THAT, THAT IS, THAT IS ON THE ROAD AS YOU COME IN FROM ONE 70 BY THE GATE.
SO IT NEEDS TO BE SHOWN ON THE PLAN.
AND INCORPORATED WITH YOUR LANDSCAPE.
IT'S ON THE ONE I HAVE IN MY HAND.
WELL I'M JUST, YEAH, I MEAN IT MAY BE THERE, I JUST CAN'T SEE.
I WAS JUST ASKING BUT BE IN THIS WHOLE AREA.
YEAH, SHE'S GONNA HAVE TO UPDATE HIS UH, LANDSCAPE PLAN.
WHAT'S THAT? IT'S, IT'S BEHIND THE STAIR TOWER.
YOU HAVE THE METER BANKS, YOU HAVE THE DISCONNECT AND YOU HAVE THE GENERATOR.
SO WHAT YOU JUST SAW ON A 2.1, THE THE SERVICE YARD.
YEAH, THAT'S WHAT IT'S HIDING IT.
SO IT'S ON THE PLAN OR IT'S NOT ON THE PLAN? 'CAUSE I DON'T SEE IT ON THE PLAN.
IF IT'S NOT ON THE PLAN, WE WOULD MAKE SURE IT WOULD BE ON THE PLAN AND WE COORDINATE.
THAT'S WHAT I'M JUST GETTING AT IS, IS IT THERE, IS IT NOT THERE? OKAY.
SO IT NEEDS TO BE ON THE PLAN BECAUSE THAT IT'S REALLY, IT'S GONNA BE CORRECT THERE.
IS THERE ANY OTHER ONES LIKE THAT ANYWHERE ELSE THAT WE'RE NOT SEEING ON THE PLAN? UH, LIKE PLANE'S PROBABLY THE FIRST ONE.
OR MAYBE JUST DO A REALLY QUICK, LIKE HERE'S A SERVICE CHARTS OR YOU KNOW, ON THE PLAN JUST SO WE MAKE SURE WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE.
ONE I BROUGHT, I ACTUALLY CHANGED THE COLOR SO YOU COULD TELL IT WOULD POP.
OH IT'S JUST HARD 'CAUSE WE HAVE PEOPLE OUTSIDE HERE THAT CAN'T SEE THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
YEAH, SO YOU CAN SEE IN THE CLUBHOUSE IT'S THE SAME SCENARIO.
RIGHT HERE YOU'RE GONNA HAVE THE SAME SCENARIO HERE, WHICH IS ESSENTIALLY THE SAME AS THIS.
YOU CAN WORK WITH THE STAFF ON PUTTING THAT IN THE CORRECT LOCATION AND E IS THE ONLY ONE THAT'S ON THE ROAD AS WELL.
ARE THERE GENERATORS FOR ALL UNITS OR JUST THE CLUBHOUSE? THE CLUBHOUSE IS DEFINITELY GONNA HAVE A GENERATOR.
AB WE DON'T KNOW RIGHT NOW WE'RE CALLING IT A FUTURE GENERATOR.
UM, WHERE, WHERE WOULD THAT BE LOCATED? THAT WOULD BE ABS ON TOP RIGHT.
SO THE METER BANK AND THE GENERATOR WOULD BE VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT YOU SEE ACROSS THE ROAD AT THE CLUBHOUSE AND IT WOULD BE LOCATED RIGHT HERE AND ONE 70 IS TOWARDS THE TOP.
SO THAT'LL BE ENCLOSED FENCED AROUND? CORRECT.
SO YOU DON'T SEE THESE UGLY BOXES ON THE SIDE OF THE BUILDING.
PLUS ALL THE UTILITIES BASICALLY COME DOWN THIS ROAD AND, AND GO THIS WAY.
SO TO PLACE EVERYTHING ON THE OPPOSITE END JUST IS VERY COST PROHIBITIVE.
AND QUITE HONESTLY, YOU CAN'T EVEN PUT 'EM ON THIS SIDE 'CAUSE WE'RE TOUCHING THE SETBACK LINE ON THIS SIDE.
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JUST TO COMMENT, I I WISH THE, THE PLANS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT AND WE REVIEWED AT HOME WERE THE PLANS THAT ARE ESSENTIALLY WHAT YOU'RE, WHAT YOU WANT.BUT, 'CAUSE IT'S HARD TO VISUALIZE EVERYTHING YOU'RE SAYING.
AND AT THIS POINT, AND NOW THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT SERVICE YARDS, GO TO THE NEXT ITEM.
I THINK THE ONLY OTHER COMMENT WAS ABOUT THE COPE AND BLUE.
YOU WERE GONNA REVISE THE PARAPET.
YOU'RE GOOD WITH THAT AND YEAH, THE, THE PARAPETS ALREADY BEEN REVISED RAINBOW AND THE COLOR'S GONNA HAVE TO GET RESELECTED.
FOR NOW I PICKED SEA SALT ONLY BECAUSE IT'S ON MY HOUSE, WHICH IS IN THE STAR DISTRICT.
DON'T REGULATE PAINT COLOR IN THE STORAGE DISTRICT.
I HAVE TO JUST CHECK THE LIGHT REFLECTIVE VALUE.
YOU TWO SHOULD HAVE BEEN ON THE PHONE.
WELL THEN I WILL OPEN IT UP AND SEE WHO HAS QUESTIONS OR WHO WANTS TO START WITH QUESTIONS.
NO, WOULD YOU LIKE TO GO FIRST OR RICH? I'M ALWAYS LOOKING THIS WAY.
SO RICH, DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I'M JUST, I'M STRUGGLING WITH THE VIEW OF ON ONE 70 WHAT, UM, AND, AND, AND IT'S, IT'S JUST SAME SIZE WINDOWS, SAME SPACING.
AND YES, I KNOW WE'RE GONNA HAVE A BERM AND SOME BUFFER, BUT ALL I COULD REMEMBER IS WHEN THEY FIRST BUILT THAT STORAGE UNIT WITH THE RED ROOFS ON BLUFFTON PARKWAY, THEY PLANTED THE REQUIRED, WHAT IS IT? FOUR INCH CALIBER BUSHES AND LOW THINGS.
AND NOW FIVE OR SIX YEARS LATER, IT'S STARTING TO LOOK OKAY.
UM, SO THIS WONDERFUL PICTURE IS WONDERFUL, BUT WE'RE NOT GONNA SEE THAT FOR FIVE OR SIX YEARS MINIMUM.
BY THE TIME THE MINIMUM TREES THAT YOU'RE REQUIRED TO PLANT ARE GONNA GROW TO ANY AMOUNT, THAT'S, THAT'S GONNA COVER SOME OF THE, I WILL SAY, SCHOOL BUILDING TYPE OF WINDOWS.
I'M SURPRISED THAT WITH SUCH AN UPSCALE PLACE AND THE FRONT SIZE OF THESE LOOK GREAT, BUT THERE WAS NO VARIATION IN THE SIZE OF THE WINDOWS OR SHAPE OF THE WINDOWS.
IT'S JUST THE SAME, LOOKS LIKE 36 BY 48 WINDOWS THE WHOLE WAY ACROSS.
AND I'M SURE THERE'S
WHAT CAN I SAY? MY WIFE CALLED IT A PRISON.
I'M JUST SAYING THAT GIVEN I LOVE EVERYTHING WITH THAT WALL.
DO YOU HAVE AN OBJECTION TO MAYBE DIFFERENTIATING LIKE THE WINDOWS AND NOT, SO THEY'RE NOT ALL, UM, SAME LIKE, YOU KNOW, MAYBE IT'S AGAIN TWO.
ARE WE TALKING BUILDING AB ONE THAT'S FACING 1 7 1, THE ONE THAT'S FACING, I MEAN THIS ONE RIGHT HERE.
SEEING AS WE'RE THERE, LET ME, LET ME MAKE A COUPLE OF SUGGESTIONS.
UM, AB JUST HAS SUCH MASS AND SCALE WITH IT BEING SUCH A BIG BUILDING THAT WHEN YOU PUT THE, I THINK WHAT WE'RE, WHAT WE'RE REALIZING HERE IS WHEN YOU PUT TWO THINGS ON HERE, THE SYMMETRY OF THE BUILDING, SO YOU HAVE THE VARIATION, YOU GOT IT, YOU KNOW, STICKING OUT AND SOME HAVE PEAKS AND SOME ARE FLAT, BUT IT'S VERY SYMMETRICAL.
AND THEN YOU PUT THE SAMENESS OF THE WINDOWS ALL THE WAY ACROSS.
IT LOOKS LIKE AN INSTITUTIONAL BUILDING.
LOOKS LIKE A SCHOOL OR A, SORRY, MY WIFE SAID AT A JAIL OR A, UM, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
AND I THINK, UM, AMANDA AND I WERE TALKING ABOUT THIS AT ONE POINT TOO.
AND, AND IF YOU COULD, I GUESS THE BEST WAY TO PUT IT, THE CARECORE BUILDING, EVACORE, NOW IT'S A BIG BUILDING.
IT LOOKS LIKE MULTIPLE BUILDINGS THOUGH.
SO WHEN YOU DRIVE BY IT, YOU'RE NOT THINKING IT'S THIS HUGE, MASSIVE BUILDING.
WHAT DID THEY DO? THEY PUT DIFFERENT ELEMENTS IN.
THEY PUT DIFFERENT SIZE WINDOWS IN.
AND THAT'S KIND OF LIKE WHAT RICH SAID ON THE OTHER SIDE OF, OF YOUR BUILDINGS HERE.
UM, YOU'VE GOT VARIATION, YOU'VE GOT A VARIATION WITH BALCONIES AND WITH, UM, SLIDING DOORS AND SMALLER WINDOWS AND ROLL UP DOORS AND THAT, I KNOW IT'S NOT WHAT YOU'RE, Y'ALL ARE WANTING TO HEAR, BUT WE'RE TRYING TO AVOID ANOTHER INDUSTRIAL LOOKING BUILDING ON ONE 70.
AND IF I MAY, ARE THE NUMBER OF WINDOWS A REQUIREMENT? BECAUSE IF I THINK OF THE TYPICAL CAR GUY, WHICH I'M A CAR GUY TOO.
YOU WANT LIGHTING FOR YOUR, WHEN YOU'RE SHOWING YOUR CARS AND YOU GOT FRIENDS COMING OVER, BUT YOU GOT GREAT LIGHT COMING IN FROM THE OTHER SIDE, AND I'M SURE THE INTERIOR IS GONNA HAVE SOME GREAT, YOU KNOW, ARTIFICIAL LIGHTING ELEMENTS.
SO WHY THE, THE NUMBER OF WINDOWS AND THE, AND THE SYMMETRY OF ALL THESE WINDOWS ON
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THIS SIDE.WHAT'S, WHAT'S, YEAH, WHAT'S DRIVING THAT FROM A USER STANDPOINT OR AN OWNER STANDPOINT? WHY, WHY DID THEY WANT THAT MANY WINDOWS? WELL, YOU'RE CERTAINLY NOT GONNA APPROVE JUST ALL WALLS WITH NOTHING AGREED.
SO BASICALLY THE WINDOWS ARE THERE TO BREAK UP UP THE MASSING OF THE WALLS.
BUT COULD THEY BE GANGED UP LIKE DOUBLES VERSUS EVERY SINGLE, LIKE MAYBE ONE OF 'EM IS ALL THE SINGLES AND THE NEXT ONE YOU GANG UP SOME.
I MEAN, CAN THEY BE, I'D BE WILLING TO DO THAT AS DIFFERENT CONFIGURATIONS.
I GUESS I'D BE WILLING TO, TO DO THAT AS LONG AS WE CAN WORK WITH STAFF ON THAT.
I, I THINK, AND I DON'T KNOW HOW THIS PLANNING COMMISSION FEELS, I THINK THAT'S AN ACCEPTABLE THING IF WE HAVE IT COME BACK BEFORE DRC, NOT NECESSARILY PLANNING COMMISSION, BUT JUST INPUT OF DRC BECAUSE THIS IS, AND THAT WOULDN'T NECESSARILY SLOW YOU DOWN IF, IF WE'RE THINKING OF A SPEED ISSUE, THE TIME REQUIREMENTS AND EVERYTHING FOR GETTING BACK HERE MIGHT I'D BE, BUT I DON'T KNOW HOW OKAY WITH THAT.
THE REST OF THE COMMISSION FEELS ABOUT THAT.
I THINK IF WE CAN GIVE HIM GOOD DIRECTION ON GOOD GUIDANCE ON WHAT IT IS EXACTLY.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THINGS LIKE THE WINDOWS.
IS THERE OTHER, IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE THAT PEOPLE HAVE FEELINGS ABOUT THAT WE CAN TELL HIM WHAT IT IS WE'RE HAVING AN ISSUE? DOES THE REST OF THE COMMISSION KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT WITH THE ECOR BUILDING OR THE OLD CARE CORPS BUILDING RIGHT NEXT TO THE JAIL? HOW IT'S, AND IT'S EVEN GOT DIFFERENT COLORS AND TEXTURES AND MATERIALS AND DIFFERENT WINDOWS AND A TURRET IN PART, I'M NOT SAYING ANY OR ALL OR OF THOSE ELEMENTS NEED TO HAPPEN, BUT IT JUST, IT BREAKS IT UP.
THE DESIGN I THINK, I THINK THE MAJORITY OF COMMISSION, IF NOT ALL, ARE SAYING WE LIKE THE DESIGN OVERALL.
IT'S JUST THAT ONE HUGE AND YOU'VE MADE CHANGES TO IT.
UM, I THINK IN RE-LOOKING AT THAT TOO, IT WOULD HELP TO HAVE SOME EITHER CONSISTENCY OR INTENTIONAL DEVIATION FROM CONSISTENT HEAD HEIGHTS LIKE THE STAIR OR THE CAR LIFT SECTION.
SOME OF THE WINDOWS THERE SEEM TO BE TALLER THAN THE ONES AND SOME ARE LOWER.
LIKE IT JUST, THEY DON'T NECESSARILY SEEM TO RELATE TO THE FLOOR LINE.
UM, AND SOME OF THOSE WINDOWS ON THE FIRST FLOOR LEVEL SEEM VERY HIGH IN THE WALL.
IF I MAY, ON THE EL ELEVATOR CENTER THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, THERE, THERE ARE NO FLOORS WHERE THAT IS.
BUT THEN IT'S, IT'S JUST A COMPLETE THREE STORY ELEMENT THEN I THINK THAT'S GREAT.
'CAUSE IT OPENS YOU UP TO BE ABLE TO ADJUST THINGS WHERE THEY NEED TO BE.
UM, I'M JUST STRUGGLING WITH THE WINDOW HEADS.
I THINK PART OF IT BEING AT, IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S AT LEAST OVER 11 AND A HALF FEET, UM, BASED ON SOME OF THE DATA LINES THAT ARE COMING, WHICH JUST THE HUMAN SCALE, WHICH I KNOW WE MENTIONED BEFORE, IT JUST DOESN'T FEEL LIKE A, IT'S VERY TALL.
IT'S JUST A VERY TALL FIRST FLOOR TO HAVE THE WINDOWS THERE.
SO I THINK A COMBINATION OF INCREASING SOME WINDOW SIZES, GANGING SOME TOGETHER, TRYING TO GIVE EACH MASS LIKE A CLEAR SENSE OF HIERARCHY WHERE THE FURTHER YOU GO UP THE SMALLER THE FENESTRATION WOULD BE HELPFUL BECAUSE IT REALLY DOES, AND I DON'T THINK THIS IS THE FIRST TIME WE'RE SEEING COMPOSITE ELEVATIONS, BUT IT IS TREMENDOUSLY LONG AND REPETITIVE.
UM, AND I WOULD ALSO ASK IF WE COULD GET THE FRONT DOOR ON THE ONE 70 ELEVATION INTO THAT ELEVATOR TO NOT LOOK LIKE A SERVICE DOOR SINCE IT IS HIGHWAY CORRIDOR FACING.
IF WE COULD BUILD UPON THAT, I'D LIKE DAN TO TALK ABOUT THE, THE FIRM THAT'S IN FRONT OF THE BUILDING AND HOW MUCH OF THE BUILDING THAT BERM IS GONNA COVER.
WE COULD PROBABLY FLIP TO THE LANDSCAPE PLAN AS WHAT IS, I KNOW YOU'RE GOING TO THE BERM.
IS THERE A PURPOSE TO THE BERM? IS IT A DRAINAGE ISSUE OR IS IT A THE BERMS EXISTING.
SO RIGHT NOW, YEAH, ONE 70, THEN THERE'S A BIKE PATH AND THE BERMS UP FROM 10 TO 15 FEET ABOVE.
RIGHT? OR, OR EVEN MORE ABOVE THAT.
WE DON'T, BUT THE, THE ELEVATIONS GO FROM 15 TO 2325.
SO IT'S AN EIGHT TO 10 FOOT TALL BERM.
SO AS FAR AS THE ELEVATIONS OF THE, THE BUILDING FROM ONE 70, THAT LOWER LEVEL WILL BE ESPECIALLY OUT OF VIEW WITH THE, THE BERM AND THE EXISTING LANDSCAPE THAT'S THERE.
THE PINE TREES THAT ARE THERE ON THE FACE OF THE BERM.
WE'RE NOT DISTURBING ANY OF THAT.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE, REALLY THE, THE TOP OF THE LOWER FLOOR, THE TOP OF THOSE WINDOWS WILL BE COVERED BY THAT BERM.
YOU EQUAL UP THE LANDSCAPE PLAN.
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5 0 2, THERE YOU GO.SO THERE YOU CAN SEE HOW FAR THE MOUSE RIGHT HERE.
THAT'S THE LOW POINT OF THE BERM.
SO THESE, THESE ARE THE CONTOUR LINES.
THAT'S ROUGHLY EIGHT TO 10 FEET OF ELEVATION CHANGE THAT'S EXISTING.
SO THIS SIDE GOING DOWN THE HILL IS ALL EXISTING TO REMAIN.
SO THAT STARTS HERE AND GOES ALL THE WAY DOWN THE FACE OF THAT, THAT BUILDING.
SO THAT ALL EXISTING VEGETATION THAT'S YEAH, THAT'S EXISTING.
YOU'RE NOT EVEN GONNA SEE IT PINES AND WAX TURTLES AND TOTALS THE BUILDING 40.
UM, NO, I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING.
I DON'T BELIEVE THAT'S 40 FEET.
IT'S THE TOP OF THE PARA, BUT YES.
BUT JUST WANTED TO POINT THAT OUT AS FAR AS THAT LOWER LEVEL IN TERMS OF LIKE THE DOORS AND SURFACE.
AND THAT'S GONNA BE OUT OF VIEW.
AND WE CERTAINLY LOOK AT SOME OF THE, THESE BUFFERING ON SOME OF THE ENDS HERE, BUT THAT'S GONNA BE WELL OUT OF VIEW WITH WHAT EXISTS TODAY.
SORRY, I HAVE A QUESTION ON, UM, THE FRONT ELEVATIONS FOR, CAN YOU PULL THOSE UP OR SOMEBODY ON HERE? POINT ONE 2.1 AND 2.2.
THEY'RE NOT LABELED LIKE THAT.
I JUST REALIZED THIS AND I WAS LOOKING AT IT WHEN LYDIA WAS TALKING ABOUT THE WINDOW HEIGHTS.
UM, ARE THEY HAVE TWO DIFFERENT WINDOW HEIGHTS? LIKE ARE YOUR LEVELS, YOUR LINES OR GUIDELINES IN THE WRONG SPOTS? WHAT AM I MISSING HERE? SIX MORE SLIDES.
YOU GAVE ME TWO POINT ONES, CORRECT? YEAH, IT'S THE A.
SO THE BUILDING B, HERE WE GO.
OKAY, SO YOU LOOK AT THE GUIDELINES ON THOSE, LIKE YOUR BOTTOM WINDOWS, THEY'RE SET DOWN AT NINE FEET.
BUT IF YOU GO TO THE BUILDING A, UM, 2.1, WHATEVER THAT IS, I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS PREVIOUS.
LOOK AT YOUR GUIDELINES, THEY'RE NOT THE SAME SPOT AND YOUR WINDOWS ARE HIGHER.
SO ON THIS FRONT ELEVATION, YOU DON'T HAVE, YOU DON'T HAVE A FLOOR IN THE WAY.
BUT WOULDN'T YOUR, WOULDN'T YOUR WINDOWS SIT AT THE SAME HEIGHT IF IT'S ALL IN THE SAME PLANE? I MEAN IT'S AB RIGHT? AND WE'RE LOOKING AT THE ROAD.
DO YOU SEE WHAT I'M SAYING? AM I CRAZY? WELL, HERE'S YOUR COMPOSITE.
ALL THESE WINDOWS ALIGN WITH EACH OTHER.
IT'S NOT OKAY, BUT NOT ON OUR DRAWINGS.
THAT IS NOT ALIGNED WITH ANYTHING.
I THINK MAYBE THAT'S WHERE I'M GETTING CONFUSED IS BECAUSE THAT ONE LOOKS REALLY TALL.
IS THAT WHAT YOU WERE LOOKING AT? AND YOU WERE SAYING IT LOOKED REALLY TALL? THERE'S ONE WHERE IT'S MEASURED ABOVE 11 SIX AND THEN THERE'S ONE WHERE IT'S MEASURED AT NINE, BUT THEY'RE SUPPOSEDLY ALL AT THE SAME HEIGHT.
SO IT'S A LITTLE BIT CONFUSING WHAT IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE.
I JUST NOTICED IT WHEN I WAS LIKE, WAIT A MINUTE, SOMETHING JUST DIDN'T, SO THE COMPOSITE LOOKS RIGHT, RIGHT.
BUT IT'S JUST THIS, THAT WOULD BE B THE COMPOSITE IS MUCH BETTER THAN THE ONE ON A 2.1, WHICH IS VERY, VERY TALL.
ONE B WINDOWS ARE BUT YOU DON'T SEE 'EM AT THE SAME TIME.
YEAH, THEY'RE ALL, THEY'RE ON THE STREET CONTINUATION OF THAT BUILDING.
BUT THEY WERE THE, THEY'RE ALL ON THE HIGHWAY CORRIDOR, YOUR LINES.
I THOUGHT IS WHAT I, I THOUGHT SHE WAS TALKING FRONT AND BACK.
SO THE FRONT ELEVATION OF A, I WANNA SAY RUNNING ALONG THE TOP NOW SCROLL DOWN, DOWN FRONT.
ELEVATION B LINE IS SITTING WELL ABOVE IT.
'CAUSE THAT WAS THE MIDDLE ONE.
SO WELL THAT'S, WE HAVE THAT CONVERSATION AGAIN THEN ABOUT WINDOWS SO THAT WE CAN MAKE SURE WE'RE AT THE RIGHT.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE SAME THING.
OKAY, LYDIA, SO
I AM COMFORTABLE WITH THE HEAD HEIGHT WHERE THEY ARE SHOWN AT NINE.
THE COMPOSITE APPEARS TO SHOW THEM ALL AT NINE, POSSIBLY OR CLOSER TO NINE, WHERE THE WINDOW SILL IS MUCH CLOSER TO THE WATER TABLE.
I THINK THAT'S A MUCH BETTER PROPORTION FOR THAT LEVEL OF WINDOWS THAN BEING ALMOST AN EQUAL WINDOW IN BETWEEN THE WATER TABLE AND THE WINDOW SILL OF THAT OR ABOVE.
UM, I THINK THE REST OF THE, YOU KNOW, HIERARCHY OF WINDOW SIZES WHERE THE FIRST FLOOR WINDOWS ARE TALLER AND LARGER, UM, AND THEN THE ARRANGEMENT OF THEM TO NOT JUST BE A SERIES
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OF PUNCHED OPENINGS WOULD BE HELPFUL.BUT IF YES, THE COMPOSITE AND I GUESS, UH, 2.22 ARE A NICER LOOK THAN 2.1.
KATIE, DID YOU HAVE AN OBJECTION? 2.2 IS THE B SIDE, WHICH IS THE LOWER SET OF WINDOWS ON THE TWO, WHICH IS THE CORRECT ONE.
THAT'S, THAT'S WHY NONE OF, OKAY.
I WAS SKETCHING AND I'M LIKE THAT THAT DOESN'T WORK LIKE THAT
FROM A LAYMAN'S PERSPECTIVE, WE NEED TO, SORRY, WAS THAT RED? OH, YOU'RE A LAYMAN.
YEAH, WE NEED IT TO NOT LOOK LIKE ONE BIG MASSIVE BUILDING WITH A COUPLE OF CHANGES.
AND WHETHER THAT LOOKS LIKE, UM, YOU KNOW, DIFFERENT, DIFFERENT MATERIALS, WHETHER IT'S DIFFERENT SIZE WINDOWS OR FAKE BALCONIES OR REAL BALCONIES OR SOMETHING, UM, YOU DID A GREAT JOB ON, ON THE OTHER ELEMENTS.
IT'S JUST THAT ONE THAT WE SEEM TO BE HANGING UP ON.
AND EVEN IF IT'S TAKING LIKE SOME OF THOSE BRACKET OF ROOFS AND MAYBE IT WAS AT A DIFFERENT LEVEL, LIKE THE SECOND LEVEL VERSUS THE VERY TOP LEVEL OR SO, OR CHANGING IT UP, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW, MAYBE THOSE ALTERNATE AS THEY GO.
MAYBE THE, THE, MAYBE LIKE YOU SAID, LIKE IT GOES, I MEAN, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF, IF I GO UP, DOWN, UP, DOWN, UP, DOWN.
BUT SOME KIND OF SOMETHING, A COLOR OF MATERIAL CHANGE BETWEEN THE SEGMENTS WILL, THAT'LL HELP.
AND, AND, AND AGAIN, I REFER BACK TO CARE CORE JUST 'CAUSE THAT'S, THAT'S THE ONE EXAMPLE THAT KEEPS POPPING IN MY HEAD.
I MEAN, ONE IDEA IS TO KEEP THE WINDOWS AS THEY ARE, BUT JUST CHANGE MATERIALS.
MAYBE MOVE SOME OF THE AWNINGS.
YEAH, I WOULD AGREE WITH LYDIA.
FIVE FOOT, FOUR FOOT, THREE FOOT OR SOMETHING TO THAT NATURE.
UM, BECAUSE YEAH, IF YOU CHANGE WHERE THE BRACKET OF ROOFS ARE, THEN IT'S NOT LIKE IT'S CRAMMED IN BETWEEN THE TWO.
IT GIVES A LITTLE MORE RELIEF.
THE ONLY THING I'M CONCERNED ABOUT IS NOT VISUALLY HAVING THOSE WINDOWS DRAW YOU TO 'EM, EVEN IF THEY'RE VARIATIONS.
AND I THINK, I THINK IT CAN BE DONE ARCHITECTURALLY, BUT IT'S JUST THE WAY YOU LOOK AT IT NOW, YOU SEE THOSE WINDOWS 'CAUSE THEY'RE ALL LINED UP AND SO IF THE WINDOWS STAY ALL LINED UP, IT'S, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'LL STILL EXIST OR NOT.
WELL, I THINK GANGING SOME OF 'EM UP TO DOUBLES OR TRIPLE, I MEAN WHATEVER IT MIGHT BE IN DIFFERENT ELEMENTS, AS LONG AS THERE'S SOME TYPE OF, I MEAN DIFFERENCE.
I'M NOT TRYING TO DESIGN IT FOR YOU.
WE'RE JUST TRYING TO GIVE YOU A FEEL FOR JUST, WE DON'T WANT THE REPETITIVE FOR THOSE ALL THE SAME SAUCE.
COMMISSIONER DENMARK, I WOULD AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER DEPAUL.
I, I WOULD NOT BE COMFORTABLE WITH THIS AND QUITE FRANKLY, UM, WITH THE NUMBER OF, I GUESS THINGS THAT ARE NOT ON DRAWING, I'M NOT AS COMFORTABLE WITH THIS, JUST GOING TO STAFF AND NEVER SEEING IT AGAIN.
BUT ARE YOU COMFORTABLE GOING TO DRC? BUT, BUT I, I WOULDN'T HOLD IT UP FROM, FROM THIS STANDPOINT.
UM, IF IT WILL BE LOOKED AT AT DRC, THAT'S GOOD.
BUT SITTING HERE RIGHT NOW, IF YOU HAVE TO ASK ME, I WOULD SAY NO.
SO, AND THAT'S WHY I SUGGESTED DRC BECAUSE THREE PLANNING COMMISSION MEMBERS CAN COME AND UNDERSTAND.
IS EVERYBODY COMFORTABLE WITH THAT? MAYBE WE CAN DO THAT.
I MEAN IT WOULD BE APPROVED AT A STAFF LEVEL WITH DRC OVERSIGHT.
EVERYBODY GOOD WITH THAT? MM-HMM,
SO WITH THAT, DOES ANYONE WANNA MAKE, BEFORE YOU MAKE A MOTION, CAN YOU, SO THAT THE MOTION IS NOT MESSY, YOU WANT, WELL CAN WE JUST GIVE A BRIEF SUMMARY OF THE ITEMS THAT YOU WANT TO ADD SO I CAN YEAH, I HAVE A BIG IDEA BECAUSE WE'VE TALKED ABOUT A LOT OF DIFFERENT ELEMENTS.
I CAN, I CAN ALWAYS REMOVE IT IF IT DOESN'T HAPPEN.
BUT JUST SO WHAT I, WHAT I'M THINKING IS I MOVE THAT WE DON'T MOVE, JUST THINK, JUST CURIOUS.
WELL, I CAN ALWAYS PULL IT, I CAN ALWAYS PULL IT BACK.
NO, NO, BECAUSE I DON'T WANNA SAY IT TWICE.
YOU CAN JUST SAY MOVED AS PREVIOUSLY STATED IF YOU'RE OKAY.
BUT SO BASICALLY, UM, APPROVED WITH SEF RECOMMENDATIONS AS STATED IN THE REPORT, UM, WITH THE ADDITIONAL CONDITIONS THAT IT ADDRESSED, THE MASS AND SCALING OF BUILDING AB, PUT THAT ON THE HIGHWAY ONE 70 ELEVATION TO VARY MATERIALS OR, AND OR WINDOW SIZING AND OR, UM, PLACEMENT TO AVOID SYMMETRY IN THE LARGE LENGTH OF THE BUILDING.
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GOSH, WHAT IS IT? DETERMINATION 3.1 7.3 0.5 I BELIEVE IS THE REFERENCE.UM, NO, THAT'S THE ILLUMINATION.
THAT'S NOT NO, I KNOW, BUT I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT'S 'CAUSE WE HAVE TO OH, AND THEN ADD THAT.
I THOUGHT I, THAT'S WHY WE'RE NOT, I THOUGHT IT WAS THAT AND THEN WE HAVE TO DETERMINE THAT I GOT 85, 14 3.
AND WHAT WAS THE OTHER ITEM? WE HAVE TO DETERMINE THE NUMBER FIVE ON YOUR BLUE.
WITH THE DETERMINATION ON THE LIGHTING.
I WOULD LIKE TO PROPOSE THAT WE USE THE WORD MONOTONY INSTEAD OF SYMMETRY.
'CAUSE I DON'T THINK THE ISSUE IS THAT IT'S SYMMETRICAL.
IT'S THAT IT'S JUST MONOTONOUS AND SOMEHOW GET IN A CLEAR SENSE OF HIERARCHY THAT BREAKS DOWN THE SCALE OR SOMETHING TO THAT EFFECT.
AS LONG AS IT DOESN'T OFFEND THE ARCHITECT.
COMMISSIONER WHITMORE, DO WE HAVE TO SAY SOMETHING ABOUT THE
UM, I, I MEANT TO PUT THAT ON THERE AND THAT'S ONE OF THE IONS.
THAT'S WHY WE'RE NOT MAKING A MOTION YET BECAUSE WE'RE TALKING, TALKING FOR A MOMENT.
SO THE ONLY THING THAT IS BEING ADDED BEYOND WHAT WAS INCLUDED IN THE STAFF REPORT IS THAT THE MASS SCALE OF BUILDING AB ON THE ONE 70 ELEVATION IS TO ADD VARIETY IN MATERIALS AND WINDOW SIZING TO AVOID MONOTONY OR, UM, TO, TO AVOID IN THE LENGTH OF THE BUILDING TO BE REVIEWED OR TO BE APPROVED AT STAFF LEVEL WITH DRC REVIEW.
IS THAT MY UNDERSTANDING? AFTER DRC REVIEW A CORRECT.
AND THEN WE NEED TO ADDRESS THE UH, DEVIATION.
AND YOU WERE IN FAVOR OF ALLOWING THE DEVIATION AS EXPEDITED.
I'M SORRY KEVIN, IF YOU DON'T MIND, AFTER THE MEETING, I'D LIKE TO LOOK AT THE PLANS SHOUTING AT EVERYBODY.
KATIE, CAN YOU MAKE THE PRINT? YOU DON'T HAVE TO USE YOUR READING GLASSES.
IT'S GONNA BE THREE PAGES ALONG THIS
YOU'RE DOING A GREAT JOB, KATIE.
THAT MEANS YOU HAVE, YOU MEMORIZE 70 ELEVATION OF A B BE REVISED AS
KATIE'S WORKING HARD ON THE SPOT.
HEY, IT TOOK, IT TOOK KATIE BEING HERE FOR SEVEN YEARS BEFORE I DIDN'T CALL HER NEW GIRL
WE ARE BEING VIDEOED RESPECTFUL.
THEY KNOW I'D DO ANYTHING FOR YOU.
THEY DIDN'T INVITE US TO THEIR TACO DAY.
I TELL YOU WHAT, WE'LL DO IT AT MY HOUSE.
WE'LL JUST ROTATE AT YOUR HOUSE.
BUT IT'S ONLY PLANNING COMMISSION.
USS, I THINK I'M GONNA WIN YOU OVER ANOTHER.
BEFORE YOU MAKE A MOTION, IF YOU WANTED TO ASK IF THEY HAD ANY OTHER ITEMS TO ADD, YOU SHRINK THE FONT ON THIS
I WRITE YOUR MOTION FOR YOU OR I HELP YOU WRITE THE MOTION AND STILL HAVE CONCERNS.
YES, HE WAS MAKING THE MOTION I THINK.
I THINK THIS COVERS CONDITION.
DOES THIS COVER YOUR CONCERNS? YES, THAT'S, THAT'S NUMBER ONE.
AND THEN NUMBER TWO WOULD BE, UM, I'M SORRY.
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TO REVIEW BY DRC FOR STAFF APPROVAL.ANYONE WANNA MAKE A MOTION? MICHAEL
I WILL THANK YOU TO APPROVE THE PER STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS ONE 10.
ALLOWING THE DEVIATION FROM THE LIGHTING TO BE APPROVED AS SUBMITTED AND THE CONDITION THAT THE MASS AND SCALE OF THE ONE, ANY ELEVATION OF BUILDING AB BE REVISED THROUGH MATERIAL CHANGES AND WINDOW SIZES TO AVOID MONOTONOUS PATTERNS WHICH APPEAR LONG PER SECTION TO BE APPROVED BY STAFF AFTER DRC REVIEW.
DO I HAVE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.
THANKS FOR WAITING US OUT WITH US.
IS THERE ANY SEVEN FURTHER DISCUSSION WITH ANYONE? NO.
DO I HAVE A MOTION? ALL IN FAVOR.