Jan 03, 2024 Town of Bluffton Historic Preservation Commission

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ON ORDER FOR THE STORE PRESERVATION COMMISSION THIS WEDNESDAY, JANUARY 3RD, 2020 4:06 P.M. WE GET A CALL HERE I MEAN EVAN GOODWIN YOU'RE VICE CHAIRWOMAN LISA FRAZIER COMMISSIONER DAVID PARKER HERE WELL GUNTHER THERE COMMISSIONER JIM HAS COMMISSIONER CARRIE SCHMELZER COMMISSIONER WONDER. NOTICED REGARDING ADJOURNMENT THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION

[III. NOTICE REGARDING ADJOURNMENT]

COMMISSION MEMBERS PRESENT ITEMS WHICH HAVE NOT BEEN HEARD BEFORE 9:30 P.M. TO BE CONTINUED TO THE NEXT MEETING OR A SPECIAL MEETING DATE AS DETERMINED BY THE COMMISSION MEMBERS DISREGARDING PUBLIC COMMENTS EVERY MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC WHO IS RECOGNIZED TO SPEAK SHALL ADDRESS THE CHAIRMAN AND SPEAKING OF WITH DISRESPECT COMMISSION STAFF OR OTHER MEMBERS IN THE MEETING PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS WHEN SPEAKING FOR THE

[V. ADOPTION OF THE AGENDA]

THANK YOU ALL IN FAVOR I YOUR AGENDA IS PASSED NOW WE'RE LOOKING FOR AN ADOPTION OF THE

[VI. ADOPTION OF MINUTES]

[IX.1. Certificate of Appropriateness: A request by DePauw Architects, on behalf of the owners, Jill and Steve Duncan, for approval of a Certificate of Appropriateness - HD to construct a new 1- story Carriage House of approximately 754 SF, to be located at 4 Tabby Shell Road, Lot ,4 in the Tabby Roads Development, in the Old Town Bluffton Historic district and zoned Neighborhood General- HD zoning District. (COFA-11-23-018622)(Staff - Katie Peterson)]

YOU JUST PRESENT. THANK YOU. GOOD EVENING, COMMISSIONERS.

HAPPY NEW YEAR. HAPPY NEW YEAR. WE FIRST REQUESTS THAT WE HAVE BEFORE US TONIGHT IS REQUEST BY THE ARCHITECTS. SO IF YOU WERE NOT AWARE THAT IS WHY WE HAVE A REFUSAL HERE ON BEHALF OF THE OWNERS STEPHEN BILL DUNCAN THE REQUEST THAT THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION APPROVE A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CONSTRUCT A NEW ONE STOREY CARRIAGE HOUSE OF APPROXIMATELY 754 SQUARE FEET TO BE LOCATED AT FOUR TABISH AL ROAD WHICH IS FOUR IN THE TABBY ROADS DEVELOPMENT IT IS ZONED NEIGHBORHOOD AND IS LOCATED HERE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD GENERAL IS ZONING DIS THE OLD TOWN BLUFFTON HISTORIC DISTRICT REPEATING MYSELF THERE HERE IS THE SITE PLAN SO AS YOU CAN SEE IS THE EXISTING PRIMARY STRUCTURE HERE THIS IS THE PROPOSED CARRIAGE HOUSE STRUCTURE HERE SO THIS IS A FOR THE MOST PART CARPORT. SO THIS AREA HERE IS OPEN THIS SPACE HERE IS ENCLOSED AND IT'S LOCATED TO THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY.

SO TABBY ROSE IS OUT ABOVE THE TOP OF YOUR SCREEN AND THEN THE I BELIEVE IT'S CALLED LEFT LANE THE LITTLE GRAVEL ACCESS DRIVE BEHIND THE TABBY ROADS FRONTING PROPERTIES RUNS ALONG THE BACK OF THE PROPERTY HERE IS THIS YOUR ROOF PLAN AND YOUR FLOOR PLAN SO YOU CAN SEE AGAIN WHERE THE TWO VEHICLES ARE THAT'S THE CARPORT PORTION OF THIS AS WELL AS THE LITTLE STORAGE AREA AND THEN THIS IS CALLED THAT IS A PORCH BUT IT'S A CONTINUATION OF THE THE OPEN SPACE HERE, THE ELEVATIONS. SO THIS IS THE REAR ELEVATION. SO IF YOU'RE STANDING IN THE ACCESS DRIVE THIS IS WHAT YOU WOULD BE SEEING AS YOU LOOK TOWARDS MAP HERE WHICH IS THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE WITH THOSE SOLAR PANELS ALONG THE RIDGE THERE AND THEN THIS IS THE FRONT FACING. SO IF YOU'RE STANDING REALLY THEIR BACK PORCH YOU COULD LOOK OUT AND SEE THIS ELEVATION HERE IN THEIR BACKYARD THE RIGHT AND LEFT ELEVATIONS ARE HERE.

YOU CAN SEE THE LEFT ELEVATION HERE AGAIN THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE SHOWN HERE.

THANK YOU FOR PUTTING THAT IN AND THE RIGHT ELEVATION IS HERE SO YOU CAN SEE THE SMALL ENCLOSED PORTION AND THEN THIS IS A CUT THROUGH OF THAT LEFT SIDE SINCE IT IS NOT VISIBLE HERE WHAT THAT ENCLOSED SPACE WILL LOOK LIKE FROM IF YOU'RE STANDING AT AN ANGLE BECAUSE IT IS PRIMARILY OPEN SO IT'S JUST TO THE SIDE HERE THAT IS GOT THE WOOD SLATS THE DETAILS HERE HAVE FOR THE SERVICE YARD FENCE WHICH IS NOT ACTUALLY ON THE HOUSE BUT IS BEING ADDED TO THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE ON THE SIDE SITE PLAN. YOU CAN SEE IT HERE SO IT'LL BE JUST THIS LITTLE AREA HERE TO PROTECT SOME OF THE SERVICE EQUIPMENT THAT'S ALREADY AND THEN THE WINDOW AND DOOR SCHEDULE IS HERE. THE DOOR DETAIL YOU CAN SEE RIGHT HERE IS THE NARROW DOOR FOR THE OUTDOOR A NARROW SET OF FRENCH WHICH MEANS THAT NOT AS NARROW FOR THAT SMALL ENCLOSED SPACE. HERE ARE THE DETAILS FOR YOU YOU'VE GOT YOUR WINDOW DETAILS AS WELL AS YOUR SECTIONS THE WALL AND THE EVE THE MATERIALS ON THAT IT LOOKS FINE AND THE CORNER BOARD HERE AS THIS IS A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS

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MR. POTTER IS HERE TO SEE ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICATION. AS JOE SITS ON THIS COMMISSION SO I CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE OR WE CAN OPEN UP THE FLOOR TO THE APPLICANT TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF THE PROJECT. THE TWO ITEMS THAT WE HAVE IS JUST TO PROVIDE A BETTER WAY TO PROVIDE A BETTER BETWEEN THE PROPOSED CARRIAGE HOUSE AND THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE THROUGH CONSISTENCY AND THE DETAILING THE BRACKETS, COLUMNS AND WINDOWS OF THE TWO STRUCTURES AND THEN TO UPDATE THIS THAT APPLICATION CONCEPTS TO INDICATE THAT IT'S ON THE LEFT ELEVATION AS REFLECTED ON THE ELEVATIONS WHICH I BELIEVE I JUST DESCRIBED TOGETHER.

SO THE AREAS THAT WE ARE DISCUSSING IN THAT CONDITION ARE THE BRACKET DETAILING THAT IS ON THE CARRIAGE HOUSE VERSUS ONES THAT ARE SHOWN ON THE THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE THE WINDOWS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT. THIS EXTRA PANEL TOWARDS THE BASE HERE GIVES THEM A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT PROPORTION THAN YOU ARE GOING TO FIND ON THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE AND THEN THE COLUMNS FROM THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE ARE WOULD SQUARE COLUMNS WITHOUT CAPS OR BASES.

SO THESE HERE ARE JUST A LITTLE BIT WIDER THAN THE ONES THAT ARE ON THE FRONT EXISTING STRUCTURE AND HAVE THAT BASE DETAIL AS WELL. SO THAT WAS WHERE THOSE COMMENTS HAD COME FROM. DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME BECAUSE IT'S REASONABLE THE APPLICANT TO SPEAK THEM. HERE YOU GO. IF YOU'RE HAVE TO GO BACK A LITTLE FURTHER, GO. HELLO. MY NAME IS LYDIA DEPARLE WITH THE ARCHITECTS. THANK YOU FOR HEARING OUR APPLICATION TODAY.

I JUST WANTED TO ADDRESS TWO COMMENTS THAT KATIE HAD MENTIONED.

FIRST WE KIND OF WENT THROUGH THE WHOLE TABBY ROADS PROCESS AND DO HAVE THEIR APPROVAL ON THE STRUCTURE NO PROBLEM ON UPDATING THE ELEVATION NOTE FOR THE APPLICATION AND THEN FOR THE CONSISTENCY AND THE DETAILING. WE KIND OF ALWAYS APPROACHED THINGS THAT THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURES ARE OFTEN SLIGHTLY MORE DETAILED AND OF A SIMILAR CHARACTER BUT KIND OF GET THEIR OWN DETAILING TO SUPPORT THE SCALE OF THE STRUCTURE.

AND SO BECAUSE THE COLUMNS ARE TALLER THAT'S WHY ADDED THE BASES TO HELP WITH THE PROPORTION AND KEEPING THEM IN RELATIONSHIP HEIGHT WISE TO THAT TO THE COLUMNS ON THE MAIN HOUSE. THE WINDOW IS A DOUBLE HUNG THE WINDOWS ON THE HOUSE EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE DRAWN AS CASEMENT'S ARE CASEMENT'S WITH A SIMULATED RAIL TO APPEAR AS THOUGH IT'S A DOUBLE HUNG. SO WE ARE TRYING TO MATCH THAT AND THEN FOR THE BRACKETS WE'RE USING THE SAME MATERIAL AND KIND OF COMPONENTS BUT BECAUSE IT'S A CARPORT WITH AN OPEN GABLE DETAIL WE KIND OF JUST SWITCHED THE ORIENTATION OF THAT BRACKETING TO RELATE TO THE HOUSE BUT TO BETTER WORK WITH AN OPEN GABLE FOR THE PORCH.

OKAY. ANY QUESTIONS FROM PERMISSION? I HAVE NO QUESTIONS.

I THINK I'D RATHER SEE THE SAME BREATH IN DETAIL MATCHING THE HOUSE EVEN IF IT'S A SECONDARY UNIT AND I THINK IT'LL JUST BE MORE PERSISTENT. THAT'S JUST MY OPINION.

CAN YOU RUN THE SIDING ALL THE WAY UP THE GABLE INSTEAD OF THE ROAD? I THINK IT IS A TO THE USE OF THE CARPORT BECAUSE THEY DO PLAN TO USE IT AS A PORCH KIND OF REAR ENTERTAINING. AND SO I THINK HAVING IT OPEN AIR IS A BENEFIT TO THE USE OF THE STRUCTURE. I'M NOT SAYING CLOSE IT IN I'M SAYING THE GABLE YOU GET SMOOTH AND YOU RUN THE SIDING UP THAT NOT HAD THE SMOOTH IT'S NOT SMOOTH IT'S OPEN.

I BELIEVE IT'S A SMOOTH HARDY. OH, I'M SORRY. YES, YOU'RE CORRECT THE TO DO IT IN LAP SIDING INSTEAD AND I I'D LIKE TO SEE LAP SIDING IN THE BRACKETS TO MATCH THE HOUSE. THAT'S JUST MY OPINION I PERSONALLY I DON'T KNOW THAT THE BRACKETS THEMSELVES WOULD LEND THEMSELVES TO IT VERY WELL JUST BECAUSE IT'S SUCH A SMALLER GABLE THAN THE MAIN HOUSE I THINK I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE LAP SIDING INSTEAD OF THE HARDY PANEL JUST SO THAT IT MATCHES A LITTLE MORE CLOSELY ME THE THE COLUMNS I DEFINITELY GET THE BASE OF HAVING IT BRING THE HEIGHT UP SINCE IT IS SUCH A TALL COLUMN I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE PANEL COME OUT BELOW THE WINDOW JUST BECAUSE THERE'S NOT MUCH OF A RELATION TO THE MAIN HOUSE ITSELF WE DON'T SEE THAT DETAIL ANYWHERE ELSE.

THE WIDTH OF THE COLUMNS COULD GO EITHER. IT DOESN'T REALLY BOTHER ME SINCE IT'S LIKE THE APPLICANT SAID IT IS A LITTLE BIT OF A DIFFERENT APPLICATION I COULD SEE IT GOING TO SIX BY SIX SINCE THE MAIN HOUSES ALTHOUGH IT'S ADMITTEDLY SMALL THE MAIN HOUSE BUT WE'RE NOT HERE TO RULE ON THAT SO MR. GANTRY, WE'LL JUST GO DOWN THE LIST.

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CHANGE IT NOW ADD ONE SO IT IS FILLED IN WHERE WE HAVE THE STORAGE BUT IT IS OPEN AIR FOR THE REST OF THE CARPORT AND SO IT'S CLEAR THROUGH ALL THE WAY IT'S.

CLEAR ALL THE WAY. YEAH I SEE SO IT'S CLEAR ON THE LEFT SIDE NOT MORE DEPENDING ON WHICH SIDE YOU'RE LOOKING CLEAR FOR ALL THE PORCHES, NOT THE SIDING INFILL SECTION.

GOT IT. OKAY, THAT CHANGE ANYBODY THE PAINT DOES BECAUSE I MEAN YOU'RE NOT GOING TO YEAH THROUGH IF WAS APPLIED TO BOTH SIDES IT'D BE BALANCED OTHERWISE IT KIND OF A LITTLE NON SYMMETRICAL OKAY OR LESS SYMMETRICAL SO WE HAVE A CONSENSUS ANYBODY'S WANTING TO MAKE IT IN A MOTION BUT WE THINK IT SOUNDS LIKE WE'RE OKAY WITH THE PANEL THEN AND THE GABLE DETAILING MAYBE PARTLY WE ALL DID NOT WANT TO GO AWAY UNDER THE WINDOW. I MEAN IT LOOKS KIND OF IT DOESN'T GO IN ANYTHING.

IT KIND OF THROWS IT OFF A BIT . ALL RIGHT.

I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE AS SUBMITTED WITH THE LOSING OF THE PANEL BELOW THE WINDOW AND UPDATE THE FLAT APPLICATION CONCEPT TO INDICATE LEFT ELEVATION REFLECTED WE GET CHECK IT ALL IN FAVOR I THE AGAINST OKAY THANK YOU IT'S APPROVED WITH CONDITIONS THANK YOU YES THIS ITEM IS ANOTHER CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS AND IT IS FOR CENTRAL COURT.

[IX.2. Certificate of Appropriateness: A request by Nicki Jacoby on behalf of the owner, King Tide Custom Homes, for approval of a Certificate of Appropriateness - HD to construct a new 2- story mixed-use building of approximately 2,894 SF for office use on the first floor and one dwelling unit above, to be located at 10 Carroll Court, in the Old Town Bluffton Historic district and zoned Neighborhood Core - HD zoning District. (COFA-09-23-018484)(Staff - Katie Peterson)]

SO THIS IS THE THE BUILDING PLACEMENT THE SITE PLAN IS BETTER SEEN ON THE LANDSCAPE PLAN BECAUSE IT INCLUDES THAT THE PATHWAYS AND CONNECTION TO IT BUT THIS IS THE PLACEMENT OF IT IN CONNECTION TO THE EXISTING DEVELOPMENT HERE ARE THE FLOOR PLANS THAT STRUCTURE SO YOU CAN SEE THE FRONT OF THE STRUCTURE ACTUALLY THE LEFT SIDE OF YOUR SCREEN SO THIS SIDE HERE AND THIS WILL BE YOUR FRONT DOOR THAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT WALKING INTO THE NOT THE GREAT ROOM BECAUSE THAT'S THE SECOND FLOOR BUT THE CONFERENCE ROOM HERE AND THEN THIS WILL BE THE FRONT ELEVATION AS YOU GO UP THE STAIRS. THIS IS THE ROOF PLAN AGAIN THE FRONT IS GOING TO BE THE SIDE HERE. SO AS YOU SEE IT HERE YOU HAVE THE EAST ELEVATION WHICH THIS IS CONSIDERED TO BE THE FRONT ELEVATION.

THEN YOU HAVE WEST WHICH THIS WILL BE THE REAR I'VE PUT DIAGRAMS NEXT TO IT BECAUSE THIS IS SUCH A SIMILARLY SITED STRUCTURE WHICH IS NOT AN ISSUE JUST IT IS FOR ME TO KEEP TRACK OF WHICH SIDE WHICH HERE. SO IF YOU WERE STANDING IN THE CARROLL COURT YOU WALK UP CARROLL AND YOU'RE LOOKING STRAIGHT AT THE BUILDING. THIS WILL BE THE FRONT ELEVATION THE REAR ELEVATION IS THIS ONE HERE. SO AND KIND OF BEHIND THE

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THIS IS ANOTHER CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS WHICH MEANS YOU HAVE THE CRITERIA WHICH ARE SET FORTH IN SECTION 318 THREE TO BASED YOUR ASSESSMENT THE HBC IS AUTHORIZED TO APPROVE THE APPLICATION IS SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT APPROVE THE APPLICATION WITH CONDITIONS OR DENIED THE APPLICATION IS SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT IF THEY FIND IT DOES NOT MEET THOSE CRITERIA. STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS THAT WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS IT COULD MEET THOSE REQUIREMENTS AND AND RECOMMENDS APPROVAL WITH CONDITIONS SO GOING THROUGH THOSE CONDITIONS. THE FIRST ONE IS THE SITE COVERAGE CALCULATIONS IN THE APPLICATION DOESN'T QUITE INCLUDE ALL OF THE IMPERVIOUS AREAS IT APPEARS THAT IT ONLY INCLUDES TWO OF THE LANDINGS FOR THE DOORS AND SO WE'LL JUST NEED THOSE CALCULATIONS TO BE UPDATED ON THERE. THE APPLICATIONS MANUAL REQUIRES THE TREE REMOVAL PERMITS AND THEY ARE REMOVING A TREE OR TWO THAT ARE THAT IS LARGER THAN THE EIGHT INCHES IN DIAMETER HEIGHT AS WELL AS SINCE IT'S A APPLICATION ANY SIGNAGE WILL REQUIRE A SITE FEATURE SO TWO AND THREE OF THOSE ARE BOTH VERY ADMINISTRATIVE AND ONE IS ALSO FAIRLY ADMINISTRATIVE AS IT'S JUST A CORRECTION PAPERWORK THAT WE NEED.

THE FOURTH ONE IS TIED TO THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS AS WELL AS THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN . I'M GIVING YOU ALL A LESSON IN ALL OF THE QUIRKY THINGS THAT TAKE PLACE WITHIN THE TOWN OF BLUFFTON BECAUSE OF THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENTS AND DEVELOPMENT PLANS EXIST. SO THIS ONE IS INSIDE OF A DEVELOPMENT PLAN BUT ALL OF THE PARKING FOR IT IS LOCATED IN THE DEVELOPMENT BUT NOT ON THE PROPERTY.

SO THEY JUST NEED TO HAVE A CERTIFICATE OF CONSTRUCTION COMPLIANCE INSPECTION AS THEY WORK TOWARDS THEIR FINAL INSPECTION WITH A BUILDING PERMIT SHOULD YOU CHOOSE TO APPROVE THE APPLICATION TO ENSURE THAT THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS HAVE BEEN ADEQUATELY AND THE SIDEWALKS DO CONNECT INTO THE SIDEWALKS THAT EXIST THE SITE DEVELOPMENT THERE BECAUSE THIS DEVELOPMENT PLAN HAS BEEN BUILT IN INCREMENTS SOME OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE IS THERE SOME OF IT IS ALLUDED TO BUT NOT QUITE INSTALLED TO.

IT'S NECESSARY INTENT AND THEN SOME OF IT HAS NOT YET BEEN INSTALLED BECAUSE.

THEY WERE WAITING FOR THIS PROJECT TO ARRIVE ONLINE SO IT'S THE OFFSITE RELATED TO THAT AND THEN THE INSPECTION IS TIED TO THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN BUT BECAUSE THE PARKING IS A REQUIREMENT OF THIS CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS THAT HAS TO BE TIED TO IT AS WELL THE TWO LARGE TREES AT THE REAR THE LOT WE JUST NEED TO HAVE THE THE FENCE AND INSTALLATION PRACTICES WHICH ARE MOST EFFECTIVELY PREVENT THOSE ROOT SYSTEMS FROM BEING DESTROYED WHILE THEY INSTALL THE FENCE. SINCE IT IS A BRICK PERIOD FENCE IT SHOULD BE NO ISSUE HAVE THAT INSTALLED BUT THE TWO TREES THAT I AM POINTING AT ARE MOST OF THEM HERE THE COUNTRY WHICH IS RIGHT HERE AS WELL AS THE LAUREL THAT IS HERE SO THE FENCE DOES SPLIT TO AVOID THOSE TREES. WE JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THESE PILLARS AREN'T GOING TO NEGATIVELY IMPACT THE ROOT SYSTEM AS THEY MOVE FORWARD WITHIN THAT WHOOPS INSTALLING THAT FENCE ALONG THE REAR PROPERTY LINE THERE, MOVING IT A LITTLE BIT IN FRONT OR A LITTLE BEHIND THE TREE MAY BE ADEQUATE OR JUST ENSURING THAT THEY ARE HAND DIGGING THOSE PILLARS MAY ALL THEIR POSTS I GUESS THEY'RE COLUMNS MAKING SURE THAT THOSE ARE INSTALLED TO PROTECT THAT TREE. THE NEXT ONE IS JUST TO REVISE THE SOUTHWEST TO A LARGE CAN BE

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SO THERE'S A VARIETY OF DIFFERENT TREES THAT COULD BE THAT REQUIREMENT AND IT IS UP TO THEM WHICH OF THOSE THEY CHOOSE AND I'D BE HAPPY TO REVIEW THAT IF YOU ALL ARE COMFORTABLE WITH IT AND THEN INFORMATION ON THE LOUVERED WALL TO ENSURE IT IS EITHER A GREEN OR RECYCLED BUILDING MATERIAL IF IT IS COMPOSITE OR IT IS REVISED TO A PERMITTED BUILDING MATERIAL AND AND THEN THE RAILINGS BALUSTRADES AND HANDRAILS I BELIEVE THEY WERE CALLED OUT AS IRON IN ONE PLACE AND THEN THEY SWITCH FROM NOT MISTAKEN NO THIS ONE THEIR POWDER COATED ALUMINUM RAILINGS HAVE BEEN INDICATED SO ADDITIONAL INFORMATION ON THAT OR IF YOU WILL FIND THAT THAT IS AN APPROPRIATE MATERIAL AND WE'LL JUST NEED TO ENSURE THAT THEY DO HAVE THE TRADITIONAL FINIALS MEANING THEY DON'T HAVE A TO CHOP AND THEY DO HAVE A SEALED BOTTOM THEM SO THEY'RE NOT ALUMINUM LOOKING AND THEN THE NEXT ONE IS ADDITIONAL INFORMATION ON THE LOCATION AND THE PROFILE OF , THE GUTTERS, THE APPLICATION LISTED AS A ALUMINUM GUTTER. BUT I THINK GOOD ENOUGH INFORMATION ON THAT AND THEY DO NOT APPEAR VISIBLE ON THE ELEVATIONS AND THEN THE FINAL ONE IS THAT THE LOW BRICK WALL NEEDS TO BE INCREASED TO MEET THE 24 INCH MINIMUM HEIGHT REQUIREMENT IT'S CURRENTLY BEING PROPOSED BELOW THAT AND THE BRICK COLUMN THAT GOES ALONG WITH THAT REVISED AS WELL THAT IS THIS HERE WHICH IS INDICATING THAT IS 18 INCHES SO IT NEEDS TO JUST BE RAISED TO BE AT LEAST A MINIMUM OF FOUR. THOSE ARE THE ITEMS THAT I HAVE.

I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE AVAILABLE HERE AS WELL AS THE OWNERS. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS THAT I CANNOT ANSWER OR YOU WISH TO OPEN THE FLOOR UP TO THEM TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF THE PROJECT QUESTIONS FOR STAFF THE COVERAGE CALCULATIONS YOU MENTIONED THAT I DIDN'T SEE ANY THERE'S NO CONCERN TO REDOING THE CALCULATIONS OR RESULT IN AN OVERAGE OVER THIS FINE UNDER IS NOT FINE SO IT SHOULD BE JUST FINE BECAUSE THE TREES THAT THEY HAVE PROPOSED APPEAR TO BE MEETING THE CANOPY COVERAGE CALCULATIONS BUT THE REQUIREMENT QUESTION TWO WASN'T RIGHT.

THERE WAS A QUESTION ABOUT THE HARDSCAPE CALCULATIONS TOO. YES.

AND WE DON'T ACTUALLY HAVE A WE DON'T HAVE A IT'S NOT A FLOOR AREA RATIO BECAUSE.

IT'S NOT FLOOR AREA. WE DON'T HAVE A IMPERVIOUS TO PERVIOUS SPECIFIC IN THIS ZONING DISTRICT BESIDES THAT IT WILL BE REVIEWED. THEY DO THEIR STORMWATER TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY HAVEN'T GONE OVER THE MAXIMUM BUT I SEE NO ISSUE WITH THAT BEING A PROBLEM THAT WE MAKE SURE WE HAVE ACCURATE SO PEOPLE WHEN THEY LOOK BACK AT THIS FILE AND IF YOU KNOW WHAT THEY'RE THEY'RE LOOKING FOR OKAY ANY OTHER QUESTIONS YOURSELF I'M AT THE MOMENT WITH THE APPLICANT LIKE TO SPEAK TO ANY OF THE QUESTIONS OR DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT TO ANSWER IT? OKAY.

WELL, WE DON'T THINK WE'RE UP TO THE MIC. PLEASE.

SO I'M I DON'T THINK WE'RE TAKING THE TREE DOWN. YOU'RE NOT ANY CRAZY.

OKAY. I RAN IT BY THE LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT AND THE OWNERS AND WE WE DIDN'T I DON'T THINK A TREE IS BEING PROPOSED AROUND HERE THAT I THINK EVERYONE UNDERSTANDS THE FRONT OF THIS BUILDING IS FACING THE PARKING REALLY? THAT'S WHY WE DID THE WRAPAROUND PORCH BECAUSE WHEN YOU'RE WALKING DOWN THE MAIN STREET THAT'S THE ONLY ANGLE YOU'LL EVER SEE. THIS BUILDING BECAUSE IT'S HIDDEN BEHIND MAGGIE AND ME AND NICOLE PUMPERS HERE WAS AN OUT AND I DIDN'T PROPOSE GUTTERS BUT THEY MAY JUST BE LISTED ON THE APPLICATION. OKAY, THAT'S OKAY.

JUST A CORRECTION. ALL RIGHT. LIVE MATERIAL DELIVERY ARTERIAL WAS LISTED AS COMPOSITE. YES. I DO WISH.

YOU ALL HAVE SAID THIS IF YOU WANT TO COME. THAT'S ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU, CHAPMAN FROM KING TIDE. SO I BROUGHT A SMALL SAMPLE BASICALLY TRADITIONAL LOUVER. THIS IS A RECYCLED ALUMINUM PRODUCT THAT WE GET FROM A LOCAL COMPANY. THEY FABRICATED THEM FOR A SERVICE AND OTHER LOUVERS HYDROSTATIC VENTS ETC. BECAUSE ONE OF TWO I DON'T THINK AT LEAST I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'RE OKAY WITH THAT I'D LIKE TO HAVE IT LOOK WHAT OUR FOOD MOVERS ARE SO IT'S CONSIDERED A WALL MATERIAL THAT'S LACKING IN WALL IN THIS CASE AND SO HARDI OR WOOD OR IF YOU CAN FIND A WAY

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SOUTH ELEVATION IS DIFFERENT THAN THE EAST ELEVATION THERE'S NO LITTLE PIECE I COME IN SAYS SOMEONE SAID IS IT GOING TO BE LOOKED LIKE TWO PIECES OR IS GOING TO BE ONE BIG PIECE LIKE IN THE SOUTH ELEVATION SHOULD YOU LOSE ONE SOLID MATCH THEN YOU'RE LIKE SO LET'S SEE THIS IS ONE AND THEN I'LL LOOK AT IT WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO DO IT AND IT'LL BE ONE, TWO, THREE THREE SECTIONS BUT WORST CASE SCENARIO I GUESS YOU'D HAVE TO SPLIT THOSE ON THE EAST ELEVATION THREE SECTIONS IN THIS ONE YEAH THAT WOULD BE FOUR.

OKAY WORST CASE SCENARIO I THINK WE CAN DO THAT ONE WOULD BE ONE FOURTH SECTION.

COULD YOU PUT THESE IN TO MAKE IT MATCH LIKE YOU I TO DO IT SORT OF I THINK WHAT YOU'RE GETTING AT IS IF IT WAS A THREE COLUMNS IT WOULD LOOK LIKE MORE SIMILAR PROPORTIONS HAVE IT IN THE CENTER OH OKAY. I CAN'T CHANGE THE COLUMNS THOUGH BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW JUST CHANGE THE TO DO A THREE PIECE. IF IT WAS A GRID OF SIX YOU WOULD HAVE SIMILAR PROPORTIONS THE GRID OF FOUR ON THE OTHER SIDE OR DOWN TO THE TWO.

YEAH I CAN I CAN MAKE CELL TWO AND WILL BE VERY SIMILAR TO EAST THEN ALSO SOUTH IS ABOUT FIVE FEET AWAY FROM THEM. OKAY SO THEN IF YOU MAKE SELF TWO THEN THAT LOOKS LESS LIKE A SHUTTER TO ME THAN THE SOUTH ELEVATION LOOKS LESS LIKE A SHUTTER THEN THE EAST ELEVATION TO ME THEN THESE LOOK LIKE A SET OF SHUTTERS. YEAH THAT DOES NOT MATTER.

I LIKE THE SCALE THE EAST SIDE BETTER SO I. I MEAN I WOULDN'T ARGUE ANOTHER CASE LIKE A SHUTTER BECAUSE I THINK THE HISTORIC DISTRICT IT PROBABLY SHOULD.

I AGREE. BEFORE WE GO DOWN THIS PATH SURE KATIE HAS THE BOARD EVER APPROVED SUCH MATERIAL BEING USED IN THIS CONFIGURATION? I KNOW WE HAVE TO DISCUSS THE HANDRAIL BECAUSE IT'S POWDER COATED VERSUS USUALLY MATERIALS THAT ARE NOT TRUE OR APPROVED IN THE YOUDO OR ABOVE AND REACHABLE OR TOUCHABLE YOU KNOW WE WOULD APPROVE IT ON THE SECOND FLOOR OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. SO SPECIFICALLY COMPOSITE MATERIALS FOR SHUTTERS THEY HAVE TO BE OUT OF TOUCH OR COMPOSITE MATERIALS FOR WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING IS AN ALUMINUM MATERIAL SO. I'M SURE I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH ANY AS A IF IT IS A BUT THAT YEAH I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH ANY THAT HAVE

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THE SECOND STORY THE BUILDING THAT IS IN GETS THE NEXT ONE IN FROM THE GOLF CART PLACE IN THE PROMENADE HAS IT ON THE UPPER STORIES DOING THE SAME FUNCTION IS THIS WHERE IT'S INFILLING A STAIR CASE BUT IT IS A COMPOSITE MATERIAL THAT IS ABOVE THE FIRST FLOOR IN THAT INSTANCE SO IF THIS WAS LIKE A SERVICE OR SOMETHING IS THAT SOMETHING THAT'S BEEN APPROVED IN THE PAST AGAIN LIKE A COMPOSITE MATERIAL FOR SERVICE YARDS OR LIKE DUMPSTER ENCLOSURES. SO SERVICE YARDS ARE CONSIDERED GARDEN WALLS FENCES SO THEY HAVE DIFFERENT STANDARDS. SO BETWEEN NOTE HOWEVER I THINK IF YOU ARE WHILE IT DOES SET A PRECEDENT FOR A WALL MATERIAL WHICH COULD BE PROPOSED IF YOU'RE CONCERNED THAT PRECEDENT BECAUSE IT IS A METAL MATERIAL AS A WALL MATERIAL THAT I THINK IS AN APPROPRIATE RESPONSE AS AS IF YOU ARE COMFORTABLE WITH IT BECAUSE IT IS AN OPEN WEAR IT IT IS NOT A WALL MEAN IT IS A WALL BUT IT IS A METAL BRING THAT IS MADE OF RECYCLED MATERIAL OR RECYCLED CONTENT AND WE CAN MAKE SURE WE GET A CUT SHEET FROM THAT THAT REFLECTS THAT THE APPLICATION OF IT WOULD BE LIMITED TO SIMILAR INSTANCES BECAUSE. YOU CAN'T ENCLOSE A FULL STRUCTURE WITH THIS WITHOUT. I MEAN YOU COULD POTENTIALLY ON A GARDEN SIMILAR TO AGAIN THE CARPORT THAT WE REVIEWED IN JUST FEW MINUTES AGO IF IF THAT WAS THE INTENT THERE OR POTENTIALLY A PORCH OF SOME KIND BUT LIKE A FULL STRUCTURE NEVER BE MADE OUT OF THIS MATERIAL BECAUSE IT WOULD NOT BE AIRTIGHT BECAUSE YOU COULDN'T BE COMFORTABLE WITH IT. THAT'S HOW YOU COULD ALLOW FOR THE USE OF IT IS UNDER THE GREEN MATERIALS OR THE BUILDING WALLS AND YOU ARE NOT THEN KNOWING THAT IT IS A METAL ON THE WALL. SO POTENTIALLY IF SOMEONE HAD A FRONT PORCH THEY COULD USE THAT SORT OF LIKE HOG FENCING UNDER I THINK WE WOULD CONSIDER THAT A RAILING AND THEN WE KNOW BECAUSE THAT WOULD BE THERE'S ANOTHER SECTION FOR THAT AS WELL IS THE AND I KNOW IT COULD NEVER BE USED UNDER A FRONT PORCH IT IT HAS ITS OWN SPECIFIC USE AS IT IS BEING REVIEWED TODAY THAT IS THE CASE BECAUSE UNDERPINNING UNDERPINNING IS THE SECTION THAT IS TO REVIEW THE FENCING FENCING THAT YOU SEE IN BETWEEN HERE.

THAT'S WHERE I'M LOOKING FOR TRYING I MEAN I'M SYMPATHETIC TO THE NEED FOR A DURABLE MATERIAL ESPECIALLY ON A COMMERCIAL BUILDING AND THAT I CAN SEE THAT THAT AND AGREE WITH THE FACT THAT IT'S MORE OF A WALL APPLICATION AND NOT SHUTTERS ON THE BUILDING.

YOU KNOW I THINK IT IMPORTANT TO HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT IT. YEAH I AGREE BUT I THINK IF YOU WERE ARGUING I THINK I'D AGREE I'D WANT THEM TO MATCH I AGREE WITH THE MATCHING BUT I DON'T

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IT LOOKS LIKE IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE TRADITIONAL. IS THERE ANY OTHER COMPOSITE YOU WOULD CONSIDER THAT WOOD OR RECYCLED CONTENT MEAN BORAL IS PARTIALLY RECYCLED? I WOULD RULE OUT RECYCLED PVC IN THE PAST I DON'T SEE SOMETHING IS IF NOT I'M SORRY LOOKING AT THE WALL SECTION HERE SO WERE FIBER CEMENT SIDING CONCRETE MASONRY IS THE TATTY STUCCO WHICH OBVIOUSLY NOT IN THIS CASE SHINGLE VERTICAL BOARD AND BATTEN AND THEN IT SAYS FIBERGLASS AS A CORNICE MATERIAL AND COMPOSITE MUST BE LOCATED OUT OF REACH A PEDESTRIAN TO BE VISUALLY APPEAR TO HAVE A HANDRAIL OR FINISH WHEREVER POSSIBLE GREEN BUILDING MATERIALS SHALL BE USED IN THE CONSTRUCTION BUILDING WALLS INCLUDING RECYCLED CONTENT SHEATHING CITING COMPOSED OF RECLAIMED OR RECYCLED SALVAGED MASONRY BRICK OR BLOCK AND LOCALLY PRODUCED PRODUCED STONE BRICK. I KNOW THE THREE THAT WERE MENTIONED WERE THE WOOD HARDIE YEAH WOOD HARDIE OR BORAL WOODEN HARDIE WOULD BE PERMITTED BY BORAL IS THE MATERIAL THAT IS THE FLY ASH RESIN IF RECYCLED CONTENT THAT HAS BEEN APPROVED IN A NUMBER OF CASES FOR TERM WORK AND I THINK WE'VE DONE SOME WORK SOFFIT MATERIAL WHICH I GUESS IS STILL TECHNICALLY TERM BUT IT HAS BEEN IT HAS BEEN APPROVED IN SEVERAL INSTANCES AS A PERMEABLE MATERIAL. I MEAN THERE'S OF WAYS IT'S SOMETHING THIS LARGE BECAUSE YOU'RE SAYING TRIMMING SO THE TRIMMING CORNER BOARDS WATER TABLES WE MAY HAVE A WITH BORAL SIDING DID I'M SORRY I I WENT UP ON ONE OF THOSE THAT BELIEVE IS YES I BELIEVE IT WAS APPROVED AS A SIDING MATERIAL AN INSTANCE AS WELL THERE ARE PLENTY OF WAYS TO DETAIL A LOUVERED SCREEN OR SOME SORT OF YEAH.

OKAY AIR PERMEABLE SCREEN. WELL I HAVE TO MAKE ALMOST SURE IT HAS BEEN APPROVED A SITING IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT. I KNOW WITH CERTAINTY THAT IS USED AS A SIDING PRODUCT IN PALMETTO BLOCK AND A FEW OTHER WHERE IT DOES NOT NECESSARILY MEET OUR HISTORIC DISTRICT IN THOSE PLACES BUT IT IS A MATERIAL WE'VE APPROVED IN OTHER USES IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT AND I HAVE SEEN IT APPLIED IN A LARGE SETTING AND WORKS SUCCESSFULLY SO WELL IF

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LET ME ASK THIS IF WE ALL AGREE ON THAT THAT WE'RE NOT LIKE IN THE ALUMINUM ARE WE OKAY WITH STAFF REVIEWING IT? YEAH, I THINK WITH THE CONDITION THAT IT WOULD EITHER BE WOOD, BORAL OR HARDIE AND WE CAN PUT THAT IN THE CONDITION. YES, SURE.

OKAY THEN MOVE THIS. I THINK WE WERE ALL IN AGREEMENT THAT JUST TO KEEP MOVING THIS ALONG WE'RE OKAY WITH THE OR DO WE HAVE COMMENTS DISCUSSION ON THE POWDER COATED ALUMINUM RAILING OF NO, NO. OKAY. ALL RIGHT.

DOES ANYBODY WANT TO TAKE A STAB AT THE MOTION? I GUESS I ONE OTHER QUESTION ON THE DOUBLE BAND BOARD TWO BY FOURS ARE PRETTY TALL BUT THE PORCH SORT OF CONFUSED HOW THE DETAILS RELATE TO EACH OTHER BECAUSE THERE'S TWO BY 12 FRAMING AND THE TRIM LOOKS TALLER THAN TWO BY ONE BY 12 AND TAKE A LOOK AT THAT AND MAYBE CLARIFY HOW THOSE TIED TOGETHER YOU MIGHT HAVE TWO RIGHT HERE. SO WE'RE LOOKING FOR A GROUP QUESTION IF WE LOOK AT THE PORCH DETAIL WHICH I THINK IS DOWN A PAGE OR TWO AND IT'S ON THE LEFT HERE THAT TWO BY YOU'VE GOT DOUBLE TWO BY 12 BANDS STACKED BUT THEN THE STRUCTURE ON THE PORCH IS THE STRUCTURE IS TWO BY 12. OKAY SO THE TRIM DOESN'T LIKE IT WOULD ALIGN ON THE JUST I NEED TO HAVE BE TWO INTENSE INSTEAD ON THE PORCH FRAMING OR I THINK IT'S PROBABLY JUST NEEDS A THIRD BAND BUT IT WOULD JUST BE NICE TO HAVE THAT ADDRESSED AND STAFF REVIEWED RATHER JUST COME YOU KNOW THE CONTRACTOR IN THE FIELD SORT A SOLUTION SO YOU'RE LOOKING FOR THE TOP TO BE SMALLER THAN THE BEAM THE THE FLOOR STRUCTURE ITSELF IS TWO BY 12 THICK RIGHT AND THEN THE PIMA SITS ON TO ABOUT 12 SO THE ATRIUM HAS TO BE TALLER THAN THAT SOMEHOW AND SORRY. LOOK, I THINK THIS IS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING BECAUSE THE BEAM ITSELF. MM HMM.

YEAH THAT'S THE OTHER THAT'S FOLLOWING THE DOUBLE GLAZING IS THAT YEAH I THINK IS COMMON IS SAYING THAT BECAUSE IT'S IT CLEARLY IT'S GOT TO BE A BIGGER A TALLER PIECE OF TREND THAN TWO BY 12 ITSELF I THINK YOU'RE GOING TO BE HERE BECAUSE YOU WANT IT TO HANG LOWER RIGHT.

THAT'S HOW IT SHOWS THE SUB FASCIA IS THE TWO BY 12 LIKE YOU HAVE YOUR TWO BY FOURTH GRADER AND THEN YOU'VE GOT YOUR TRIM ON THE FRONT THAT IS WHICH IS SHOWN A LITTLE BIT LONGER BUT THINK THE FRAME CHOICE GETS YOU ON THINGS TO MATCH WAS HOTSPOT SO JUST PUT THE CEILING OR A THIRD PIECE OF TRIM IS IT OR A THIRD PIECE OF TRIM MAYBE THAT COULD BE AND EIGHTH AND TENS AND THAT SOLVES THE PROBLEM YEAH. YEAH.

SO MIGHT BE SOMETHING I THINK THAT COULD BE NECESSARY TO ADDRESS SO WE'RE NOT GIVING THE CONTRACTOR FIELD DECISIONS OKAY. SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? NO YOU KNOW THE DISCUSSION WHERE ARE WE AT ON THE RAILING ? I THINK FROM MY POINT OF WE'VE APPROVED POWDER COATED ALUMINUM IN THE PAST AS LONG AS WHAT WAS THE LANGUAGE OKATIE WITH TRADITIONAL FINIALS AND AND TRADITIONAL FENESTRATION ESSENTIALLY TO MAKE SURE THAT DOESN'T HAVE A PINCHED CAP OR PINCHED TOP AND IT DOES INCLUDE A ENCLOSED BASE SO IT'S NOT TO OPEN TO LOOKING THAT MIMICS THAT IRON OR SOMETHING.

YEAH. YEAH. OKAY WELL THIS LOOKS LIKE IT'S SQUARE SO THAT'S A CONDITION. YEAH. BECAUSE IT IT'S SHOWING A SQUARE CAP EVEN IN THE DETAIL SO THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING TO ADDRESS.

YEAH BUT YOU HAVE THAT NOW MOTION OF ALL SUGGESTION. OKAY HELPING US OUT HERE.

ALL RIGHT SO WE WEREN'T EXPECTING IF I'VE UNDERSTOOD AND PLEASE CORRECT ME I'M

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SO I COVER EVERYTHING UP OTHER THAN THE BAND I THINK WE WANT THE TRADITIONAL FINIALS WAS TALKING ABOUT THE PICKETS AND THEN I THINK THE RAIL IS OUR MAIN CONCERN ON THE PERIMETER IS CEILING WITH ADDITIONAL FINIALS AN ENCLOSED BASE OR NEUTRALIZER IT'S SORT OF LIKE WE WERE NOT OKAY WITH THE SQUARE RAIL RAIL ON TOP RAIL ON THE TOP GAP SO TRADITIONAL LIKE A YEAH THIS IS WHAT OKAY AND AS I'M DOING IN FACT THAT'S THE CAB HERE THAT'S THIS IS THE EXAMPLE THAT THEY BROUGHT IS I BELIEVE THE ONE IN STOCK FORM I CAN LET YOU SEE THE PICTURE SO OKAY SO SO WHAT HAPPENS SO WE'VE APPROVED THAT IN THE PAST WITHOUT A HORIZONTAL RAIL.

YEAH, YEAH YOU'RE RIGHT. YOU KNOW THESE COMPANIES THIS WAY HORIZONTAL RAIL TALK CAP AS WELL. OKAY. I WAS ON IF YOU LOOK AT THIS VERTICAL YEAH AN EXAMPLE OKAY SO ARE WE OKAY WITH YOU'RE GOING TO DO THEM VERTICAL JUST UNDER WELL IN THAT INSTANCE I'M NOT WELL I THINK THAT WE'RE TRYING TO WRAP IT WAS OKAY AT THE TIME THAT WAS A WHILE AGO I WOULD HAVE I THINK IT'S AGAINST THE HISTORIC DISTRICT IS START DOING SQUARE ALUMINUM RAILINGS EVERYWHERE I THINK IF THAT WAS ON EVERY BUILDING WE WOULD BE VERY HAPPY ABOUT IT I WOULD TEND TO AGREE WHICH WE'VE KIND OF COVERED THAT IN THE IN THE CONDITION THAT YOU UPDATED. I THINK WE'RE WHAT WE'RE WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS LEAVING THE CONDITION AS YOU AS YOU'VE EDITED IT AND NOT SO WHAT YOU WANT TO SEE IS A TRADITIONAL PROFILE INSTEAD OF A SQUARE AS WE'RE LOOKING FOR THE TOP PART CAP.

YEAH. OKAY LIKE THAT WORK BECAUSE THE COMMISSION PROPOSED EARLIER IT WAS DONE JUST FLAT. YEAH IT IS OKAY. YES I UNDERSTAND YOU KNOW THE DISCUSSION SO I WANT TO MAKE A MOTION AND I BELIEVE YOU CAN JUST MAKE A MOTION WITH CONDITIONS AS IT AS AS PRESENTED ON THE SCREEN OR YOU CAN LIST THE NUMBERS IF YOU'D LIKE TO EDIT ANYTHING THESE BY ALL MEANS DO BUT I CAN RUN THROUGH IN HERE AND I'LL MAKE IT A MOTION TO APPROVE ON SCREEN CAN I SEE NUMBER SIX PLEASE WITH NUMBER SEVEN BEING LOUVERED WALL MUST BE REVISED TO BE PERMITTED WALL MATERIAL BORAL OR EVEN WITH EVEN PROPORTIONS ON BOTH SIDES AND THE AS PER NUMBER EIGHT THE BALANCERS AND HANDRAILS BE AS POWDER COATED ALUMINUM WITH TRADITIONAL FINIALS PROFILE TOP RAIL AND HAVE ENCLOSED SPACE AND AN ADDITION TO NUMBER 11 AND UPDATE PORT SECTION TO EITHER BE EIGHT BY 1010 BY TEN OR A THIRD TRIM BOARD ADDED AS A SECOND YOU ALSO CAN DO ALL IN FAVOR BY HIGGINS OR THE

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OKAY NEXT ITEM IS ANOTHER CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS THE NEXT ITEM I HAVE IS FOR 13

[IX.3. Certificate of Appropriateness: A request by Court Atkins Architects, Inc. on behalf of the owner, Tidal Creek Investments, LLC for approval of a Certificate of Appropriateness - HD to construct a new 2.5-story mixed-use building of approximately 3,717 SF for office use on the first floor and one dwelling unit above, to be located at 213 Goethe Road, in the Old Town Bluffton Historic district and zoned Neighborhood Core - HD zoning District. (COFA-09-23- 018463)(Staff - Katie Peterson)]

I'VE INDICATED IN OUR STAFF REPORT EVERYBODY PICKED A DIFFERENT PLACE THIS WEEK OR THIS MONTH. SO THIS IS THE SITE PLAN, THE ACCESS EASEMENT THAT RUNS BEHIND IT. THIS IS THE DEVELOPMENT CURRENTLY IS SITTING BEHIND THE PROMENADE THERE IS LOT BETWEEN THE PROMENADE AND THIS DEVELOPMENT HOWEVER IT IS CURRENTLY UNDEVELOPED SO THIS IS WHAT YOU THINK OF AS THE BACK ACROSS THE STREET FROM THIS IS THE KIRK'S BLUFF DEVELOPMENT WHICH THOSE COLORFUL TOWNHOMES IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH THE AREA HERE SO THIS IS THE SITE PLAN HERE YOU CAN SEE THAT THERE IS ON STREET PARKING THAT IS IN FRONT OF THE SITE AS WELL AS THE PARKING THAT HAS BEEN PROVIDED FOR IN THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY HERE AND THEN THE SIDEWALK THAT RUNS ALONG EDGE HERE TO GIVE ACCESS FROM THESE PARKING SPACES TO THE FRONT ENTRY. SO THIS IS THAT OFFICE FIRST FLOOR AGAIN AND SO THE ROAD IS AT THE FRONT OF THE PROPERTY WHICH IS THE LEFT HAND SIDE OF YOUR SCREEN AND THEN THE ACCESS EASEMENT AS WELL AS THE PARKING IS BEHIND THE STRUCTURE WHICH IS RIGHT HAND SIDE OF YOUR SCREEN. THE FIRST FLOOR HAS BEEN INDICATED TO HAVE 372 SQUARE FEET OF RESIDENTIAL SO THAT WOULD BE THE AREA HERE AS WELL AS THE STAIR WHICH IS IS RESTRICTED FOR THE RESIDENTS. HOWEVER ONE OF THE CONDITIONS THAT I'VE LISTED IN THERE IS PUTTING A NOTE ON HERE THE NARRATIVE PROVIDES A BREAKDOWN EXACTLY WHERE THAT SQUARE FOOTAGE COMES FROM. BUT JUST BECAUSE AS THESE PLANS DO FOR A BUILDING PERMIT THEY GET SEPARATED FROM THAT NARRATIVE BECAUSE THEY BUILDINGS THAT I WOULD LIKE THAT TO BE INDICATED ON THE PLAN SO THAT WE CAN THAT THEY STILL ARE MEETING ALL OF THEIR REQUIREMENTS THERE HERE IS THE SECOND FLOOR PLAN SO THIS IS WHERE YOU'VE GOT THIS STAIR THAT COMES UP INTO THE LIVING AREA WITH THERE'S TWO BEDROOMS ON THIS FLOOR AND THEN THE THIRD FLOOR WHICH IS AGAIN THE HALF STORY ABOVE THE SECOND.

BUT I'M GOING TO KEEP IT THE THIRD FLOOR THE THIRD FLOOR AREA WHICH IS JUST ADDITIONAL LIVING SPACE THAT RESIDENTIAL UNIT IT DOES HAVE A ROOF ROOFTOP PORCH AREA THAT AGAIN IS ASSOCIATED WITH THAT RESIDENTIAL SPACE BUT IT DOES CONTAIN THE UNITS FOR BOTH THERE. SO THERE IS THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE A PORTABLE LADDER FOR ACCESS TO THOSE HBC UNITS SHOULD THEY NOT BE ABLE TO GAIN ACCESS THROUGH THE RESIDENCE? AND THEN THIS IS THE ROOF PLAN SO YOU CAN SEE THAT IT HAS THE THIS PORTION HERE IS THE THIRD STOREY PORTION OF IT WITH THE PORCH SECTION HERE AND BELOW BEING ONLY A TWO STORY STRUCTURE. YOU CAN SEE IT A LITTLE BIT BETTER IN ELEVATIONS HERE.

SO THIS IS FRONT ELEVATION. THIS IS WHAT WILL FRONT GO THE ROAD.

SO YOU'VE GOT THE TO THE RESIDENCE HERE AS WELL AS THE ENTRANCE ON THIS WALL HERE FOR THE COMMERCIAL PORTION OF IT PARKING WILL BE AT THE BACK OF THE STRUCTURE HERE AND THIS IS THE REAR ELEVATION SO YOU HAVE THE REAR ENTRY TO THAT BUSINESS AS WELL AS THE THIS IS THE ENTRANCE TO THAT THAT LITTLE CAR GARAGE THAT WILL BE PART OF THE RESIDENTIAL AND THEN THIS IS WHERE THAT PORCH FOR THE RESIDENTIAL IS HERE. AND SO HERE'S YOUR WALL SECTION WHERE YOU'VE GOT THE LIVING SPACE AS WELL AS THE WALKOUT PORCH THE REST OF YOUR BUILDING SECTIONS DETAILS HERE WINDOW AND DOOR DETAILS. I'M HAPPY TO GO BACK TO ANY

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HERE'S THE LANDSCAPE PLAN THAT HAS BEEN PROVIDED FOR US AGAIN GO THE ROAD IS HERE ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE OF YOUR SCREEN AND IS THIS CERTIFICATE APPROPRIATENESS? SO THERE ARE EIGHT REVIEW CRITERIA THERE ALL FOUND IN SECTION 318 THREE THE HPC CAN APPROVE THE APPLICATION IS SUBMITTED BY THE APP CAN, APPROVE THE APPLICATION WITH CONDITIONS OR DENY THE APPLICATION AS SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT SHOULD THEY FEEL IT DOES NOT MEET THOSE CRITERIA. STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS THAT WITH THE FOLLOWING ITEMS IT CAN BE WITH CONDITIONS AS IT WOULD MEET THOSE CRITERIA SHOULD THESE BE ADDRESSED.

THE FIRST ITEM IS THE FLOOR PLAN TO INDICATE SPECIFICALLY THAT THAT IS WHAT THE SPACE THAT IS THOSE 3372 SQUARE FEET IS FOR THE CART GARAGE TO BE RESIDENTIAL USE ONLY BECAUSE IT WILL BE SEPARATED FROM THE NARRATIVE. AS I INDICATED BEFORE.

THE SECOND IS THAT THERE'S A LETTER OF APPROVAL FROM THE OF A ROAD SUBDIVISION ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW BOARD OR THE PROPERTY OWNERS ASSOCIATION IF THEY HAVEN'T FULLY ESTABLISHED IT AS A IRB IT IS REQUIRED AS PART OF A DEVELOPMENT PLAN AREA TREE REMOVAL PERMIT IS REQUIRED IN A SIGN PERMIT OR SITE FEATURE PERMIT IS REQUIRED AND THERE IS A COMMERCIAL ASPECT TO IT. THEY ARE TAKING OUT A COUPLE OF TREES ON THE LOT PROVIDING A COVERAGE PLAN INCLUDING THE REQUIRED I'M SORRY NOT STREET TREE TAKE THAT THAT PORTION OUT THERE BECAUSE THIS IS PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN THAT DOESN'T HAVE AT THE FRONT OF THE LOT SO JUST THE CANOPY COVERAGE PLAN BE PROVIDED SHOWING THAT IT MEETS THE 75% CANOPY COVERAGE AND. THE LIVE OAK MUST BE REALLY RELOCATED AS IT'S CURRENTLY WITHIN THE ACCESS EASEMENT. THAT ACCESS EASEMENT IS NOT CURRENTLY ALL THE WAY OPEN BECAUSE THOSE LIGHTS ARE STILL BEING DEVELOPED HOWEVER BECAUSE IT IS AN ACCESS EASEMENT, A LARGE CANOPY WHICH COUNTS TOWARDS THE CANOPY COVERAGE FOR THE SITE CAN'T BE LOCATED IN THAT SPACE AND THAT IS A REQUIREMENT OF THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN TO HAVE ACCESS THERE THE SHUTTER MATERIAL INDICATED AS A COMPOSITE MATERIAL VIREO ALLOW FOR A WOOD COMPOSITE.

HOWEVER WE DID NOT RECEIVE ANY ADDITIONAL INFORMATION OR FACT SHEET FOR THE WOOD MATERIAL WOOD COMPOSITE MATERIAL SO IT NEEDS BE REVISED AND THEN A SHUTTER DOG DETAIL MUST BE PROVIDED WE GOT THE SHUTTER DETAIL WE JUST NEED THE SHUTTER DOG PROFILE TO ENSURE THAT IT IS MEETS THE REQUIREMENTS WITH THE TRADITIONAL TRADITIONAL PROFILE SO AN S OR A BUTTERFLY IRON HOOK ANY OF THOSE NOT SOMETHING LIKE A JELLYFISH OOPS AND THAT IS THE END OF MY CONDITIONS. I PICTURE JELLYFISH. I DON'T KNOW.

WELL I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE. THE APPLICANT IS HERE TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF THE PROJECT IF YOU'D LIKE TO REPRESENT THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF AT THE MOMENT THE APPLICANT LIKE TO PRESENT IN THE COURT ENTRANCE GROUP I WAS GOING TO PROPOSE JELLYFISH SHUTTER DOGS BUT SOUNDS LIKE I WON'T DO THAT. WE'RE FINE WITH ALL THE COMMENTS WE'LL CHANGE TO A DURABLE WOOD OR MAKE SURE IT'S IN SHAPE SHUTTER DOG THE OWNER AND WE'LL GET LANDSCAPE TO UPDATE THE PLANS ACCORDING TO THE ONLY ONE WE'RE HAVING TROUBLE WITH IS NUMBER TWO. WE HAVE REACHED OUT TO THREE DIFFERENT PEOPLE.

KATIE HAS PROVIDED A COUPLE OF THOSE NAMES TO US. WE HAVE HAD ZERO RESPONSE SO I'M NOT SURE THAT THERE IS A FUNCTIONING REVIEW BOARD FOR THAT ODD LITTLE WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE PRC AND THERE'S JUST THEY'VE BEEN INACTIVE FOR A WHILE FROM WHAT WE UNDERSTAND WE TRIED THREE DIFFERENT PEOPLE HAVE HAD SOME TIES TO IT IN THE PAST AND HAD ZERO RESPONSE.

SO I'M NOT SURE HOW WE NAVIGATE THAT OTHER THAN THE FACT THAT WE'VE THROUGH ALL THE HPC REQUIREMENT THAT THAT THEY WOULD TROUBLE MEET THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND GUIDELINES FOR THOSE SECTIONS OF LOTS REGARDING HEIGHT AND SIZE AND SETBACKS AND EVERYTHING SO BECAUSE WE'VE STRUGGLED OTHER APPLICANTS HAVE STRUGGLED IN THE PAST GETTING STUFF APPROVED THERE BUT I'M SORRY THAT IT'S I'M SORRY THAT'S WHAT I GOT FOR THIS ONE BECAUSE IT IS A CHALLENGE WITH THIS ONE TO TRACK DOWN WHO IS UNFORTUNATELY ARBY'S DON'T ACTUALLY HAVE TO NOTIFY THE TOWN OF BLUFFTON WHEN THEY CHANGE HANDS WHICH MAKES IT A CHALLENGING TASK FOR US BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT THERE HAS TO BE ONE BECAUSE IT IS A REQUIREMENT OF THEIR DEVELOPMENT PLAN OR THEY COULD BECOME DEFUNCT AND YOU CAN'T HAVE A DEVELOPMENT.

SO ONE HAS TO EXIST IN THIS CASE POTENTIALLY WE COULD AMEND THE LANGUAGE THIS CONDITION TO REFLECT THAT THEY RECAL LETTER E DOCUMENTATION AND UPON OFF I'LL BE THE ADMINISTRATOR THAT ONE COULD NOT BE REACHED OR SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES SO I CAN WORK WITH THEM GET THAT ACCOMPLISHED WITHOUT PUTTING THEM IN A SPOT WHERE IT IS A CIRCLE OF DOOM THAT NOT

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UNFORTUNATELY THIS ONE IS A ALL RIGHT SO YOU MAY WANT TO MAKE A MOTION OF OUR MOTION TO APPROVE THE PROJECT WITH THE CONDITIONS LISTED THE STACK RECOMMENDATION WITH NUMBER TWO MODIFIED TO PER THE APPLICATION MATERIAL A LETTER OF APPROVAL FROM THE MAY RIVER ROAD SUBDIVISION AND REVIEW BOARD IS REQUIRED AS THE LRB NOT BEEN RESPONSIVE RECORD OF ATTEMPTED CORRESPONDENCE AND AT THE TERMINATION OF THE VIDEO ADMINISTRATOR THIS CONDITION MAY BE WAIVED AND THAT THE GRAPHICS ON THE BUILDING CLARIFIED TO SHOW THAT THE BUILDING IS BELOW 35 FEET IN HEIGHT FROM GRADE TWO. WE HAVE A SECOND THANK YOU ALL IN FAVOR I AM AGAINST.

ALL RIGHT MISSION IS APPROVED THE CONDITIONS THANK YOU FOR ALL RIGHT AND ONE LAST TYPICAL OF APPROPRIATENESS NEW BUSINESS YEAH THE LAST ONE IS ANOTHER CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS

[IX.4. Certificate of Appropriateness: A request by William Court, on behalf of the owners, David and Susan Sewell, for approval of a Certificate of Appropriateness - HD for the construction of a new 2-story single-family residential structure of approximately 2,477 SF and a new 2- story Carriage House of approximately 905 SF to be located at 26 Tabby Shell Road, Lot 14 in the Tabby Roads development, in the Old Town Bluffton Historic District and zoned Neighborhood General-HD. (COFA-10-23-018547)(Staff - Katie Peterson)]

SO THIS IS THAT SAME BACK ALLEY THAT THEY RUN THROUGH THERE. THIS SITE IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT THAN OF THE OTHERS IN THIS DEVELOPMENT BECAUSE THERE IS A CONSERVATION EASEMENT WHICH THEY'VE HAD TO DESIGN AROUND ON THE SITE HERE ON THE SIDE THE LEFT SIDE OF THEIR PROPERTY AND SO THEY CANNOT GO WITHIN THAT IS MEANT TO THE TREES WHICH ARE PROTECTED BY IT.

THESE ARE YOUR FIRST FLOOR PLANS SO AGAIN TABBY ROSE TABISH ROAD IS ON THE RIGHT

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THIS IS THE SIDE THAT IS FACING THE CONSERVATION EASEMENT. YOU HAVE YOUR FRONT PORCH HERE.

YOUR BACK PORCH IS THE FULL PORCH ON THIS ONE AND THAT'S WHERE MY BRAIN HAS TURNED TOO MUCH TONIGHT. SO THIS IS YOUR REAR PORCH THIS FACES TOWARDS THAT LEFT SIDE LANE AND THE CARRIAGE HOUSE STRUCTURE AND THEN THESE ARE THE ELEVATIONS FOR YOUR CARRIAGE HOUSE. SO YOU'VE GOT YOUR FRONT THAT FACES TOWARDS THE HOUSE THE RIGHT FACES AWAY FROM THE CONSERVATION. THE LEFT PHASE IS TOWARDS THE CONSERVATION EASEMENT AND THEN THE REAR IS WHAT FACES THAT BLOCK MUD LANE I HAVE YOUR SECTIONS THROUGH THE HOUSE WELL AS THE DETAILS HERE SHOULD YOU NEED TO TAKE A LOOK AT THOSE ITEMS AND THEN THE DETAILS FOR THE CHIMNEY STAIRS THE BRICK DETAILING FOR THE PORCH AND AND THE WINDOWS AND DOORS AS WELL AS THE LANDSCAPE PLAN HERE. SO YOU CAN AGAIN SEE CONSERVATION EASEMENT THAT IS HERE WE HAVE THE LANDSCAPE PLAN WHICH INCLUDES THE CANOPY COVERAGE CALCULATIONS AS AS THE PLANTING SCHEDULE FOR THE LANDSCAPING AND THEN THE ADDITIONAL INFORMATION ON THE MATERIALS FOR YOUR BORAL TRIM AS AS THE METAL ROOF THE METAL ROOF IS JUST A STANDING SEAM ROOF. I PROVIDED THOSE IN THE PACKET BUT DID NOT PROVIDE THE ENTIRE PACKET IN POWERPOINT FOR YOU TONIGHT.

SO BORAL TRIM IS SOMETHING SEEN AND THEN THE ROOF MATERIAL IS ACTUALLY A MATERIAL THAT IS PERMITTED BY ORDINANCE AND IS SOMETHING THAT WE SEE FREQUENTLY HERE.

SO AS IS OUR FENCE DETAIL AS WELL AS THEIR GATE DETAIL IT IS LOCATED ONLY IN THE REAR YARD SO IT IS AT FOUR FEET WHICH IS PERMISSIBLE THE REAR YARD AND I'M HAPPY TO GO BACK TO WHICHEVER SLIDES YOU'D LIKE TO LOOK AT MORE CLOSELY THIS IS A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS MEANS THERE ARE EIGHT REVIEW CRITERIA WHICH ARE FOUND IN SECTION 318 THREE OF THAT UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT ORDINANCE HPC IS AUTHORIZED TO APPROVE THE APPLICATION IS SUBMITTED APPROVE THE APPLICATION WITH CONDITIONS OR DENY THE APPLICATION IF THEY FIND IT DOES NOT MEET THOSE CRITERIA STAFF IS FOUND WITH THE FOLLOWING ITEMS IT WOULD MEET THOSE CRITERIA AND RECOMMENDS APPROVAL WITH CONDITIONS. THE FIRST IS THAT A TREE REMOVAL PERMIT IS REQUIRED BECAUSE THERE ARE TREES WITHIN THE FOOTPRINT OF THE STRUCTURE THAT THEY WILL NEED TO REMOVE IN ORDER TO BUILD ON THE SITE. THE SECOND IS TO UPDATE THE BUILDING DATA JUST TO INCLUDE ALL OF THAT ENCLOSED SQUARE FOOTAGE FOR THE CARRIAGE HOUSE BOTH STORIES AND THEN THE SITE COVERAGE TO REFLECT ALL THOSE AREAS UNDER ROOF AGAIN IS JUST A PAPERWORK AND. THEN THE NEXT ONE IS TO PROVIDE A TREE PROTECTION ZONE SURROUNDING THAT CONSERVATION EASEMENT, ENSURE THAT IT IS NOT BOTHERED DURING THE CONSTRUCTION BECAUSE IT IS A PROTECTED AREA THERE AND IT IS CLOSE TO THE STRUCTURE INSIDE IS A LITTLE BIT CHALLENGING AND WE RECOGNIZE BUT WE JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT'S ALL PROTECTED DURING CONSTRUCTION AND THAT INSTALLATION OF THE STRUCTURE WILL MOST EFFECTIVELY PROTECT SYSTEMS AS THEY CONSTRUCT THE MINIMUM HEIGHT FOR THE CREEK MYRTLE AND THE LIVE OAK WOULD NEED TO BE INCREASED TO 12 FEET AS THEY'RE BEING USED AS THOSE THOSE CANOPY TREES FOR THEIR CANOPY COVER CANOPY COVERAGE CALCULATION THE FIRST FLOOR HEIGHT RAISED TO ME THREE FEET ABOVE AVERAGE ADJACENT SIDEWALK GRADE AND THE PORCH RAISED TO A MINIMUM OF 30. THE VERTICAL ESTABLISH THROUGH THE ALIGNMENT OF THE FRONT DOOR WITH THE DORMERS AND THE COLUMNS AND THEN THE FRENCH DOORS ON THE REAR ELEVATION THE METAL WINDSCREEN TO A PERMIT PERMITTED MATERIAL FOR THE WINDSCREEN.

THE HBC MUST MAKE A DETERMINATION ON THE APPROPRIATENESS OF THE USE OF BORAL. THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'VE DISCUSSED TONIGHT.

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THINK YOU'RE PERHAPS PICKING OUT THE DOOR IS ASYMMETRICAL IN THE FRONT BECAUSE IT'S A DOOR WITH A LIGHT. I'M SORRY IT'S THE DOOR. I'M SORRY.

THE WAY THAT I PHRASED THAT IS PROBABLY POORLY PHRASED THE DOOR IS NOT CENTERED BETWEEN THE COLUMNS AND WHEN THE DOOR SHIFTS NO LONGER WILL THE DOOR BE CENTERED UNDER THE DOOR.

DAUBER THAT'S HOW THAT WORKS OUT AND I'M SORRY THAT I PHRASED IT POORLY THAT STAFF REPORT BECAUSE YEAH AND THE REAR IS THE THE COLUMNS EITHER. YEAH OOPS IS HERE WHERE IT IS JUST A BIT UNDER YOU'RE JUST NOT THAT IS WITH THIS SECOND FLOOR PLAN PLEASE.

YES I ASSUME THEN THE DORMERS COULD SHIFT IF NEEDED THE QUESTIONS FOR STAFF AND FOR STAFF NOW. OKAY THE LIKE TO COME UP PLEASE IN GENERAL OR I CAN'T I'M NOT WILLIAM CALLED UP LAST MINUTE TO PINCH HIT FOR THIS ONE WAS ALREADY GOING TO BE HERE SO I'LL DO MY BEST TO ADDRESS ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS QUICKLY THREE ITEMS 1 TO 3 OR ARE FINE ON ITEM FIVE REGARDING THE HEIGHT OF THE SIDEWALK THE SIDEWALKS ACTUALLY 21 NINE AND WE'RE AT 2025 I BELIEVE SO FROM THE SIDEWALK THEY WERE MORE THAN THREE FEET NOW ON THE DRAWINGS IT SHOWS AN IMMEDIATE ADJACENT GRADE WHICH IS 30 INCHES BUT THE SIDEWALK ACTUALLY CONTAINS A DOWN ALMOST ANOTHER NINE INCHES. SO I THINK THAT WE'RE FINE THERE BUT WITH THE GRADING THE PORCH IS FOUR INCHES SHORT OF THE 30 INCHES SO WE CAN WORK WITH SOME LANDSCAPE TO MAKE SURE WE GET THAT PROPER 30 INCH CLEARANCE ON THE PORCH AND THAT I THINK WE CAN COVER THAT THERE WE REVISE THE MIDDLE ONE SCREEN TO SOMETHING WE TALKED ABOUT BORAL SO CAN DISCUSS THAT MORE OR CHANGE TO WROUGHT IRON NO ISSUES WE'D LIKE TO USE A WOOD COMPOSITE ON ONE JUST FROM A MAINTENANCE STANDPOINT BUT I'LL LEAVE THAT ALL TO YOU AND WE'LL USE A BLUE CRAB SHELTER DOGS NO I'M JUST KIDDING WE'LL USE A SHAPESHIFTER DOG ON THERE SO I THINK REALLY THE BIGGEST ONE TO KIND OF TALK AND WORK THROUGH IS ITEM NUMBER SIX AND I KNOW THIS CAME UP I BELIEVE DURING HPR SINCE WE ADJUSTED THE DORMERS AND STUFF TO ALIGN WITH THE FRONT DOOR AND A IN CABINETS OR CABINETS AND SINKS AND REFRIGERATOR SO THAT THE PROPER CLEARANCES AROUND THAT WE DO HAVE SOME A LITTLE BIT OF WIGGLE ROOM ON THE DORMER

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WE COULD PROBABLY SHOOT THIS A LITTLE FURTHER DOWN. IT JUST KIND OF MAKES THAT GREAT ROOM CORNER A LITTLE LESS USABLE OR WE CAN KEEP THE COLUMNS OUT A LITTLE BIT MORE WELL AND KIND OF RE SPACE THEM A LITTLE BIT BUT WE DON'T WANT TO GET THOSE DOUBLE COLUMNS TOO FAR APART THEN THEY START TO LOOK A LITTLE STRANGE BUT I THINK WE CAN PROBABLY CHEAT THE CURSOR IF I DON'T HAVE ONE. MAYBE I JUST I HAVE THE MOUSE CURSOR.

IT'S IN THE CORNER. OH THERE IT IS. I GO.

YOU KNOW I THINK WE CAN CHEAT THAT ONE OVER WON'T BE CENTERED IN THE ROOM ANYMORE BUT IF THAT'S THE PREFERENCE AND THEN THIS ONE A LITTLE MORE CHALLENGING IN THE SENSE IT COMES HERE BUT WE COULD TALK TO THE CLIENT ABOUT PINCHING PORCH IN A LITTLE BIT AND KIND OF SPACING THAT TO GET THAT CENTERED. SO I WE CAN SOLVE THE THE REAR PORCH AND GET THAT PRETTY CLOSE IT'S REALLY THE THE ONE UP HERE SO WE FELT LIKE THE CENTER OF THE DORMERS AND THE WINDOWS BELOW MADE A LOT OF SENSE AND MADE SURE THAT THE PRIMARY WINDOW IS CENTERED BETWEEN THE COLUMN SPACING AND MAKE SURE THAT THAT SPACING IS CORRECT THEN BALANCE THE FRONT DOOR WITH THE LIGHT FIXTURE JUST THE YOU'VE GOT A 310 BETWEEN CABINETS IN THE ISLAND ON ONE SIDE AND THREE NINE ON THE OTHER CAN WE SHE DID LITTLE OUT OF THERE AND SLIDE THAT WHOLE LAYBACK SO YOU CAN SHIFT THE DOOR OVER OH MY GAME IN INCHES WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO GET A COUPLE INCHES YOU KNOW THEN THE QUESTION IS DO WE GET IT SO FAR OFF NOW THE LIGHT FIXTURES BEHIND THE COLUMN SO I'M NOT WE CAN GET IT 100% CENTERED YOU TAKE US BACK TO THE FRONT ELEVATION PLEASE CAN YOU I MEAN THE FRONT DOOR BEING ASYMMETRICAL WITH THE LIGHT PERSONALLY DOES THAT BOTHER ME? I THINK IT'S A LITTLE KIND OF A CENTRIC AND LUFTHANSA I THINK I WOULD LEAN THAT THE DORMER SHOULD BE CENTERED ON THE PORCH COLUMNS THAT SCENARIO BUT THE RATHER THAN BEING OFF CENTER ON THE FRONT DOOR BUT CENTERED ON THE FRONT DOOR, YOU'RE SAYING IT SHOULD BE CENTERED ON THE FRONT DOOR? I THINK THE DORMER SHOULD BE CENTERED ON THE PROBABLY THE PORCH COLUMNS THEN YOU THEN YOU LOSE YOUR VISUAL UP AND DOWN IF THE SHIFTING ARE ALL IN THE FOREGROUND OR THEN LINED UP.

BUT I PREFERRED HAVING THE DORMER CENTERED RIGHT OVER THE DOOR SO FOR EVERYBODY THIS YEAR GUENTHER CENTERED STRAIGHT UP AND DOWN DORMER OVER DOOR BUT APPRECIATE THE DORMER THAT IS CENTERED IN ABOVE COLUMN THE ADJACENT TO THE BUT IN THIS CASE I THINK IT'S FINE AS PRESENTED. MR. PRESIDENT AS IF STATED IT PERSONALLY DOESN'T BOTHER ME.

I LIKE THIS ASYMMETRICAL FRONT DOOR. I DON'T THINK FROM A PERSPECTIVE IN A NOTICE IT BEING SLIGHTLY OFF I MEAN I LIKE THE IDEA OF THE DORMER BEING CENTERED WITHIN THE COLUMNS THEMSELVES BUT IT BEING A INSTEAD OF A COLUMN AND HOW MUCH YOU'LL NOTICE IT ANYWAYS. SO I THINK AS LONG AS THE DORMER CENTERED ABOVE THE DOOR I'M OKAY WITH IT. SO IT SOUNDS LIKE AS IS IS PROBABLY THE WORRY I'M IN AGREEMENT ON THAT. OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT ON THE PORCH DETAIL? THERE'S NO CARBON BASED ON COLUMNS.

THERE ARE AN ELEVATIONS I'M ASSUMING THE ELEVATIONS ARE YES, ELEVATIONS ARE CORRECT.

SMALL CAP AND PIECE OF LOG AND WHEN I GIVE YOU AND YOU HAD A COMMENT ABOUT WAS ABOUT THE RAILINGS DOING A WOOD COMPOSITE INSTEAD OF THE POWDER ROOM OR THE ROD IN THE WORLD.

I MEAN THERE'S JUST THAT LAMB'S TONGUE. I MEAN WHEN A WROUGHT IRON JUST

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THE ONE WAS ABOUT THE SHUTTERS WITH THE SHUTTERS RIGHT. DO A WOOD COMPOSITE RATHER THAN WOOD. YOU KNOW THERE ARE SEVERAL EXAMPLES OF THAT IN THE ABBEY ROADS ALREADY SO IT'S NOT LIKE IT'S A SETTING THE THE TONE FOR THE WHOLE NEIGHBORHOOD THERE'S WOOD COMPOSITE SHUTTERS THROUGHOUT THE NEIGHBORHOOD YEAH I THINK WE'VE WE'VE ALLOWED THAT IN THE PAST AND SHUTTERS IN GENERAL THE ALLOWING SOME WOOD COMPOSITES WE WOULD NEED INFORMATION ON WHICH WE IT BECAUSE THERE ARE SOME THAT ARE REALLY REALLY BAD THERE ARE SOME THAT ARE REALLY REALLY GOOD SO I THINK WE USE THE GOOD ONES.

YEAH I'D BE COMFORTABLE WITH STAFF APPROVAL. OKAY.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS AND YOU TRAY A BLUE CRAB SHUT IT DOWN. REALLY PRETTY OPEN.

YEAH IT WOULD BE WRONG. I CAN SUBMIT UDL AMENDMENT WHEN I HAVE TO WRITE YEAR AND HOPEFULLY WITH A VERY BUSY YEAR IN THE COURT OF LAW YOU KNOW I'M GOING OKAY NOW WE'RE READY FOR A MOTION. SORRY YES, LOOK AT IT JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT I HAVE UNDERSTOOD EVERYTHING BECAUSE I HAD A WHOLE BUNCH OF NOTES HERE BUT NOT GREAT ONES.

THE FRONT ELEVATION WITH THE THE ALIGNMENT IS OKAY THE REAR ELEVATION WHERE YOU ALL RIGHT WITH THE ALIGNMENT ON THE REAR AS WELL OR YOU KNOW SHIFT THEM OVER CENTER IN BETWEEN THE COLUMNS DOORS CENTERED A ROOM THERE WE'LL MAKE IT HAPPEN. OKAY.

AND THEN THE COURT SIDE IS GOING TO BE UPDATED THE METAL WINDSCREEN.

WE DIDN'T ADDRESS THE IT WAS THE MIDDLE WINDSCREEN. THE CHIMNEY CAP HP OKAY WITH THAT AND THERE'S A BEEN IMPROVED ON THAT THING YEAH IT'S I WOULD ASSUME THE METAL WINDSCREEN WOULD BE THE SAME AS THE OTHER METAL STANDING SAME ON THE SUPPORT I DON'T REALLY HAVE AN ISSUE WITH IT PRETTY BUT VERY HISTORIC BUT I MEAN WE SEE IT A LOT DOWN HERE.

YEAH YEAH IT'S THE REASON YOU'RE GOING WITH THAT LOOK OVER A CHIMNEY POT OR SOMETHING JUST SORT OF AS FAR AS THE RESTAURANT THERE YOU KNOW AND WE'VE TRIED TO DO IT AT TRADITIONAL CHIMNEY IT LOOKS FAKE AND JUST BECAUSE THEY GET BIGGER AND YOU GET ALL THE CLEARANCES AROUND THEM AND EVERYTHING SO SOMETIMES LESS IS MORE JUST TO THE BOARD AND IT WORKS LIKE I THINK I'M ALL RIGHT WITH IT. OKAY AND SUBMITTED YEAH AND THEN THE THE USE OF BORAL WAS DETERMINED TO BE OKAY AND THE TRIM WORK AND THE RAILING DETAIL WAS STICKING TO WHICH ONE I'M SORRY IRON IS STICKING OUT AND PERFECT THEN WOOD COMPOSITE TO BE REVIEWED A STACK SHUTTER DOCK IS TO BE PROVIDED AND THEN THE PORCH DETAIL THAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT I'M SORRY I MISSED THAT CONVERSATION.

I WAS THE COLUMN CAPS AND JUST THE COST. YEAH, JUST OKAY MATCH THE ELEVATION REVISED TOWARDS DETAIL OR CARBON IS TO MATCH ELEVATION AND THEN FOR THE FINISH FOR HEIGHT I MY AVERAGE CAME OUT AS OPPOSED TO 22 AND CHANGE BUT I MAY HAVE HAD OFF NUMBERS SO IF COULD JUST PROVIDE THAT AS AN UPDATE IF THEY LEAVE THE CONDITION IN THERE AND THAT'S IT YOU JUST KNOW THAT THAT'S WHAT THE AVERAGE IS I ONLY USE THE NUMBERS THAT I HAVE ON THERE AND YOU PROBABLY HAVE A BETTER SURVEY THAN I DO TO WORK OF SO IF MY UNDERSTANDING IS CORRECT A MOTION COULD BE SOMETHING SIMILAR TO APPROVED PER STAFF CONDITIONS ONE THROUGH FIVE NUMBER SIX TO ALLOW THE FRONT AS SUBMITTED BUT ALIGN THE REAR DOORS TO BE CENTERED WITHIN THE COLUMNS I FIRST STACK SEVEN TO ALLOW AND THEN EIGHT IS TO

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[X.1. Discussion Regarding Potential Amendments to the Town of Bluffton Code of Ordinances, Chapter 23 - Unified Development Ordinance (UDO) Relating to Contributing Resources and Architectural Standards in Old Town Bluffton Historic District (Staff - Charlotte Moore)]

WE HAVE MORE CLARITY REGARDING THE AND AGAIN THIS IS RELATING TO BOTH NON CONTRIBUTING AND CONTRIBUTING RESOURCES. THESE WILL BE SUPPLEMENTED WITH GUIDELINES RELATING TO PROCESSES RELATING TO DEMOLITION OR RELOCATION ANY SORT OF RECORD KEEPING PHOTOGRAPHS ANY SORT OF MEASUREMENTS THAT MAY NEED TO BE TAKEN THAT WE DON'T FEEL NECESSARILY APPROPRIATE FOR THE FOR STUDIO. SO WE'RE GOING TO HAVE SOME GUIDELINES TO GO ALONG WITH AND THAT WILL BE PROVIDED TO TOWN COUNCIL BY SO IT WON'T ACTUALLY

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WHAT ELSE DO I HAVE HERE WE THIS IS A NEW PROCESS TO DO IS TO REMOVE THE RESOURCE DESIGNATION AND BASICALLY THE SAME PROCESS AS DESIGNATING A CONTRIBUTING RESOURCE THE CRITERIA WOULD THEN APPLY AND THIS PROVIDES OPPORTUNITY TO CONSIDER DID YOU OKAY OR NOT.

OKAY THANK YOU. SORRY ABOUT THAT PREVIOUSLY WAS THERE IS AN X OH I THINK YOU HAVE A BETTER IT'S A REALLY GREAT ONE AND I THINK I'M SORRY THANK YOU AND I FORGOT WHERE WAS INTERPRETING REMOVAL OF A THANK YOU YEAH RIGHT NOW IT'S BEEN IT'S BEEN A A POLICY AND WE'VE HAD A FEW SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE IN MY LITTLE OVER FOUR YEARS AND IN THE PROCESS IS ALWAYS PERHAPS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT. IT DEPENDS ON THE BOARD THE COMMISSION AND SO WE WANTED TO HAVE A AN ACTUAL PROCESS PROCEDURE THAT WOULD BE CONSISTENT GOING FORWARD. WE HAVE PROPOSED ALSO A LITTLE HOUSING TYPE AND LET ME SWITCH BACK OVER TO THE ACTUAL TEXT AND WE'VE DONE SOME THINGS WITH STANDARDS SO WE HAVE PROPOSED A METAL TYPE AND SOMEWHERE BETWEEN A COLLIE COTTAGE AND A VILLAGE HOUSE AND IT WAS FELT THAT THIS WAS NECESSARY TO HAVE BECAUSE WE HAVE OFTEN PEOPLE WHO ARE RELYING ON THE ADDITIONAL BUILDING TYPE AND THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY APPROPRIATE AND THAT'S BEEN SOMEWHAT PROBLEMATIC. SO KATIE FELT THAT WE SHOULD INTRODUCE AGAIN SOME MORE CLEANUPS HERE. WE HAVE SOME SET BACK THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO INCREASE SLIGHTLY FROM 5 TO 8 FEET AND WE'VE HAD SOME ISSUES RELATED TO THAT WITH REGARDS TO DRIVEWAYS AND THIS MAY PROVIDE THE ABILITY TO SAVE MORE TREES AS WELL. AND WHAT ELSE DO WE HAVE HERE AND I'M SORRY I'M JUST KIND OF RUNNING THROUGH IT. YOU MAY HAVE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK THROUGH IT YOURSELF. THERE'S ANYTHING SPECIFICALLY THAT YOU'D LIKE TO TALK ABOUT. I'D BE TO JUST STOP AND WE CAN FOCUS ON THAT.

THE CHARACTERISTICS REGARDING THE CARRIAGE HOUSE TYPE AND WE'VE MADE SOME SLIGHT REVISIONS THERE ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT WORTHY OPENINGS I THINK STAFF INITIALLY IDENTIFIED THEM AS BAYS. WE MADE A CHANGE HERE CALL THEM VEHICULAR OPENINGS. THE INTENT THERE IS TO LIMIT THE NUMBER THAT WOULD BE ON THE CARRIAGE HOUSE BUILDING FORM AND AS WELL AS TO CONTROL THE WIDTH EACH OPENING SO THERE WOULD BE A LIMITATION OF TWO AND THEN THERE WOULD BE THE ABILITY TO ALLOW FOR VEHICULAR OPENING FOR A GOLF CART AS WELL AND LITTLE HOUSE BUILDING TYPE THAT I MENTIONED WITH THE PHOTOGRAPHS SHOWING ALL THREE OF THESE ARE WITHIN OLD TOWN BLUFFTON HISTORIC DISTRICT AND THEN WE HAVE SOME TERMINOLOGY THAT WILL BE NEW THE GARDEN STRUCTURE IS A NEW DEFINITION HISTORIC INTEGRITY WHICH WE USE ELSEWHERE IN THE VIDEO FELT THAT THAT NEEDED A DEFINITION AND REVISIONS TO THE PRINCIPAL BUILDING AND THEN A DEFINITION FOR ACCESSORY STRUCTURE AND FOR SHED SO I REALLY OF GOTTEN VERY HIGH LEVEL REVIEW OF WHAT'S PROPOSED BUT AGAIN SOME OF THESE MOST OF THIS YOU'VE ALREADY SEEN BEFORE AND THE ONLY THREE CHANGES THAT WERE

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I MEAN YOU CAN HAVE A 12 FOOT GARAGE DOOR AND THEN YOU CAN GO INSIDE TO 12 FOOT GARAGE DOORS GO INSIDE AND HAVE IT BE 36 FEET WIDE IF YOU WANT TO DO YOU HAVE ANY COMMENT ON THAT, KATIE? I AGREE. OKAY, FINE.

OKAY. YEAH. IS TO VEHICULAR OPENINGS NOT EXCEEDING IN 12 FOOT AND WITH EACH ONE ADDITIONAL ON TOP TO WHERE THAT I'M NOT SURE THAT IT'S A PROBLEM. I JUST THOUGHT WHEN WHEN THAT LANGUAGE WAS THAT THEY'RE TRYING TO CAP IT AT 12 FEET OF INTERIOR SPACE FOR EACH CAR AND THAT THAT'S NOT THE CASE.

SO YEAH, THAT'S RIGHT. IT'S LOOKING AT THE GARAGE DOORS AND TRYING TO KEEP US FROM HAVING A WIDE OPEN CAR GARAGE DOORS IS AS LONG AS IT'S PROVIDING THE BUILDING FOOTPRINT IS THAT EXCEEDED RIGHT? YEAH.

YEAH YOU SAW THAT. OKAY SO AND JUST TO SPEAK TO THIS A LITTLE BIT I'M SORRY I FIGURED OUT YOU'RE FINE. I THINK THE INTENT BEHIND THIS ONE IS IS MOSTLY TO ALLOW FOR THAT SIX INCH SIX INCH SIX FOOT ADDITIONAL BAY. OKAY.

BECAUSE WE'VE SEEN SEVERAL OF THOSE COME THROUGH AND AND IT HAD BEEN THE CONSENSUS AT LEAST A BIT OF THE COMMISSION AT THE TIME THAT THEY WERE COMING THROUGH THAT THAT WAS NOT SO MUCH AN ISSUE TO HAVE THAT EXTRA THEY ADDED ON TO THE STRUCTURE AGAIN AS LONG AS THAT'S BUT IT IS THEREFORE IT BUT I THINK BAY VERSUS YOUR IS IS JUST A WORD CHOICE RATHER THAN TRYING TO PREVENT ANYTHING FROM CHANGING ON THAT IT HAS BEEN THAT THE GARAGE DOORS CAN'T EXCEED THAT 12 FEET ANYWAYS IT WAS JUST LOCATED IN A DIFFERENT SECTION OF THE WHICH MAKES IT HARD I THIS IS IF THAT'S THE CASE THIS IS WHY WE'RE CLEAR I'M SO IN AGREEMENT THE INTENT BEHIND THIS THE OPENINGS IS NOT TO CHANGE ONLY TO ADD SMALL OPENING AND THE DOOR SIZE IS WHAT IT HAS ALWAYS BEEN BESIDES THE THINGS THAT WE WITH THE REWRITE THE SECTION COVER HOW IS THIS ONE THE NEW CONSTRUCTION ALTERATION SECTION IT DOESN'T REALLY HAVE ANY LANGUAGE SPECIFIC TO HISTORIC DISTRICT ON WHAT CONSTITUTES ALTERATION AND THE KIND OF THIS CHAPTER ONE SECTION THAT DOES IS A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT FOOTPRINT CHANGES THINGS THAT WOULD BE WHAT WOULD BE CONSIDERED DEVELOPMENT ELSEWHERE IN THE TOWN IT MIGHT BE PROBABLY A BAD IDEA TO GET A DEFINITION FOR WHAT CONSTITUTES AN ALTERATION THAT WOULD NEED TO BE REVIEWED BY THE HPC OR TOWN STAFF. WHAT'S HAPPENED IS THAT IN HERE THAT YOU DESCRIBE IT DESCRIBES ALTERATION BUT WHAT WHAT IS AN ALTERATION AND WHAT IS BELOW LEVEL IS AN ALTERATION AND DOESN'T NEED REVIEWED I DON'T THINK IS REALLY CLEAR IN A SECTION OF THIS WRITTEN AND MAYBE A DEFINITION OF ALTERATION MIGHT HELP THAT WHERE THE ORIGINAL LANGUAGE REFERRED TO CHANGE THINGS THAT CHANGE THE CHARACTER OF THE EXTERIOR OR IS IT IN HERE IS BACK UNDER SECTION SO YOU'RE SAYING THE CURRENT LANGUAGE RIGHT NOW MAKES A REFERENCE TO IT IF YOU SCROLL UP TO THE THE OLD THREE POINT 18.2 SECTION

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I UNDERSTAND THAT AND ANY OTHER AREAS THE NEW MIDDLE IT'LL HOUSE MIDDLE HOUSE I THINK IS A GREAT IDEA. IT SAYS IT GOES UP TO 3000 SQUARE FEET WHICH WAS LARGER THAN THE VILLAGE HOUSE. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WAS A TYPO OR IF WAS THE INTENT ON THE ALL THAT PICTURE WHAT THE DRAWINGS GO DRAWING ON THE SIDE AND IT'S KIND OAK VILLAGE AREA IT'S THAT YEAH AS RANGE 1300 TO 3000 SAY COTTAGES 700 TO 1500 A VILLAGE IS 1220 400 INSIDE ARE 1200 TO 2800 SO THAT WOULD BE THE WELL AND WE HAVE BE THAN THOSE SO I WITH THE INTENT LIKE 2000 WAS TYPED IN WRONG I ACTUALLY THINK THAT THAT A MEDIUM HOUSE IS LARGER THAN THE AND I SAY WE WOULD LOOK AT THAT HOWEVER NO BECAUSE IT CAN'T BE TWO AND A HALF STORIES IT MAXES OUT AT TWO STORIES AS THAT'S JUST AN E WITH A BEND OR BUT THE I THINK THE THE MATH BEHIND THAT BECAUSE I THINK I DID THE MATH ON THIS ONE SORRY I'M SCREWED IT UP WAS THAT THIS CANNOT BE TWO AND A HALF STORIES IT CAN ONLY BE TWO STORIES AND SO WHILE THE VILLAGE HOUSE IS A LITTLE BIT SMALLER AND SQUARE FOOTAGE IT CAN BE MUCH TALLER. AND THIS ONE IF YOU HAVE A FRONT A FULL FRONT PORCH BUT YOU HAVE ENCLOSED SPACE ABOVE THAT FRONT PORCH, YOU POTENTIALLY COULD BE OVER. SO 1300 TIMES TWO IS 2600. THAT GIVES YOU A LITTLE BIT OF WIGGLE ROOM IF YOU TO HAVE A PORCH THAT WAS STACKED UNDER MATH.

NOW IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU WANTED TO CONSIDER DROPPING IT BACK TO THE 2000, WE CAN DO THAT. THE MATH ON IT IS ONE TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S ACTUALLY TWO STORIES AND NOT JUST ONE AND A HALF STORIES BECAUSE BECAUSE 910 SQUARE FEET IS MAKES THAT A HALF STORY 910 OR LESS SO THAT GIVES IT A FAIRLY NARROW WINDOW.

SO I DON'T I I SEE WHAT YOU'RE SEEING I DON'T KNOW BECAUSE I KNOW IT'S THE NEXT THE NEXT TYPE UP PAST SIDE YARD WAS OVER THAT BUT SIDE YARD IS LESS ABOUT THE SITE I MEAN IT IS ABOUT THE SIZE BUT IT'S MORE ABOUT THE CONFIGURATION. YEAH I MEAN I APPRECIATE THAT

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BUT THE INTENT BEHIND THIS WAS JUST TO CREATE SOMETHING GAVE US SOMETHING THAT SOUNDED A LITTLE LESS INNOCUOUS THAN ADDITIONAL BUILDING TYPE ON 80% OF OUR APPLICATIONS AND THAT'S I DIDN'T CHECK TO BE SURE BUT THAT'S NOT I WOULDN'T BECAUSE THE ALL RIGHT THE KIDS VERNACULAR HOUSE IS LARGER AND IT'S THE SAME DISTRICT SO THAT WAS A SMALLER CENTER ALL HOUSE IS LARGER AND IT'S THE SAME DISTRICT SO WE'RE NOT INCREASING WHAT SOMEBODY COULD DO WITH AN BUILDING TYPE 3000 YEAH THE VERNACULAR HOUSE CAN ONLY BE ONE AND A HALF STORIES.

OKAY SO IT'S REQUIRED TO HAVE A BIGGER FOOTPRINT AND THAT WAS WHERE I THINK I FOUND THE MIDDLE BUT I CAN LOOK AT THAT AGAIN IF COULD GO SUCH WE CAN BUT I WILL DO MY LOGIC BEHIND IT THAT'S OKAY WITH ME I CAN IT SEEM LIKE IT WAS FOLLOWING THE LOGIC BEFORE.

THE ONLY ISSUE I SEE THERE IS IF WE GET INTO A SITUATION LIKE WE HAD ONE RECENTLY WITHIN THE AVERAGE DEVELOPMENT THAT WAS THE SQUARE FOOTAGE IS SORT OF SPLIT UP AND THEN A SUSPICIOUS WAY SO THAT WE COULD GET A MAXIMUM I'M CERTAIN THAT THE CARRIAGE HOUSE AND SO THAT'S WHY I LIKE THAT ADDITION MAKING SURE IT IS SUBSTANTIALLY INFERIOR OR SECONDARY TO THE MAIN HOUSE SO HOPEFULLY THAT WILL HELP BUT THAT'S WHERE THE GRAY AREA THAT COULD USE THAT EXTRA 400 SQUARE FEET I NOW JUST I GET NERVOUS IT ANY OTHER QUESTIONS AND CARRIAGE WE HAVE SOME USES NOT THERE'S ANYTHING SORT OF RESIDENTIAL FOLLOWING A DWELLING UNIT LIKE IF SOMEBODY WOULD USE IT FOR A POOL HOUSE OR A PORCH OR SOMETHING THAT'S ALL KIND OF INCLUDED IN DWELLING UNIT USE TYPE IF THERE'S WE'VE STARTED TO LIST CARRIAGE HOUSE CAN BE USED FOR GARAGE CARPORT DWELLING UNIT SHOP STUDIO WORKSHOP LIKE IF YOU WANT TO USE IT AS A POOL HOUSE OR A PORCH. I MEAN THAT'S ALL FALLS UNDER DWELLING IN THE BASEMENT.

THE LONGER THE LIST GETS THE MORE RESTRICTIVE SEEMS TO BE THE OUTSIDE THINGS INCLUDE INCLUDED AND THEN THEY WE THREE SHEDS IS THAT IN ADDITION TO A CARRIAGE HOUSE IT IS VERY SEPARATE DISTRICT YOU COULD HAVE THREE CARS YOU COULD HAVE A MAIN HOUSE THREE SHEDS AND TWO CARRIAGE HOUSES IF WELL IN THE PLACE OH I'M SORRY I KEEP HEARING THE RULE IN RIVERS DISTRICT. THAT WOULD BE CORRECT. YOU COULD SIX STRUCTURES CORRECT THE WAY THAT THE LANGUAGE WRITTEN YOU COULD HAVE TWO HOUSES AND 97 TO THE PROPERTY AND BE APPROPRIATE SO THAT WAS CONSIDERED IN PUTTING TOGETHER THE NUMBER OF THREE.

YES, WE I BELIEVE WE SELECTED THREE BECAUSE THE SHADE STRUCTURE SOMEONE HAS LIKE A TRUE SHED THAT IS LIKE 80 SQUARE FEET TO PUT THEIR SHOVELS AND RIGS IN AND THEN HAD AN ADDITIONAL YOU KNOW, A GOLF CART SHED COULD TECHNICALLY STILL FALL UNDER THAT AS LONG AS IT'S WITHIN THAT SIZE RANGE WITHOUT IT BEING OVERWHELMING TO A PROPERTY. SO THIS IS THE INTENT IS NOT TO RESTRICT WHAT COULD BE DONE ON A PROPERTY BUT RATHER TO PREVENT AGGRESSIVE ABUSE OF A LOOPHOLE THAT EXISTS WHICH HAS NOT HAPPENED AT THIS. BUT YOU KNOW, I WANT ONE FOR MY RACE, ONE FOR MY TROUBLES.

ONE GOES ONE FOR MY LAWNMOWERS AND AND SO ON. SO THAT'S TO AVOID THE CLUTTERING OF A BY SHUTTERS RATHER THAN TO TO AVOID THE LOOPHOLE OF JUST BUILDING ONE STRUCTURE THAT MEETS THE CARRIAGE HOUSE DEFINITION. BUT THEY ALREADY HAVE A CARRIAGE SO NOW WE'RE TRYING TO DO IT IN SHEDS. YEAH I WAS RIGHT ANYWAY SO APPRECIATE IT OKAY FEELS WE'RE NEXT STEPS FOR THE NEXT STEP BUT IT WILL GO TO THE PLANNING

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THERE'S TIME TO MAKE CHANGES IF THERE'S ANYTHING THAT YOU FIND. OKAY I ENCOURAGE EVERYBODY TO REVIEW IT ALL GIVEN ALREADY JUST IN CASE THERE IS AN ORDINANCE ONCE PRESENT TAKES A WHILE TO CHANGE IT. YEAH. OKAY.

THANK YOU. YOU ALL RIGHT IT FOR DISCUSSION ? I'M LOOKING FOR A MOTION TO ADJOURN. MY MOTION TO ADJOURN.

I'M SORRY ON

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