Dec 20, 2023 Town of Bluffton Planning Commission

[I. CALL TO ORDER]

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. PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING ORDER TO ORDER THIS WEDNESDAY, DECEMBER THE 20TH AT 6:00 WE HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE ROBIN AMANDA JACKSON DENMARK HERE VICE CHAIRMAN CHARLIE WATMORE PRESENT COMMISSIONER MICHAEL BROCK HERE COMMISSIONER RICH COMMISSIONER LYDIA DEBAR COMMISSIONER JIM FLYNN COMMISSIONER JASON STEWART

[III. NOTICE REGARDING ADJOURNMENT]

[IV. NOTICE REGARDING PUBLIC COMMENTS]

[V. ADOPTION OF THE AGENDA]

[VI. ADOPTION OF MINUTES]

[VII. PUBLIC COMMENTS FOR ITEMS NOT ON THE AGENDA]

NO I WAS GOING TO HAVE TO WAIT TILL THE END OF THAT MEETING. THEY'RE WANT TO JUST DO IT NOW WELL THEN WE'LL TRY MISUNDERSTOOD YOU OKAY? I MEAN THE FIRST ONE.

ALL RIGHT, DENISE HOLLYWOOD HOLLYWOOD YOU KNOW CHAIRMAN AND COMMITTEE MEMBERS MY NAME IS DENISE HOLLYWOOD. I LIVE AT 27 BORDEN COURT IN HAMPTON LAKE.

I'M A RETIRED AIR FORCE OFFICER AND VETERAN. I'M A LOCAL BUSINESS OWNER AND IN PREPARING FOR THIS MEETING I LOOK BACK OVER MY MILITARY CAREER AND HOW MANY PRIOR MOVES I HAD MADE AND THAT WAS 18. SO WHEN I PICKED THIS PLACE TO FINALLY SETTLE DOWN IN IT WAS WITH THE INTENT OF NEVER MOVING AGAIN. I ALSO THOUGHT OF VETERAN AND MILITARY FRIENDLY COMMUNITY THAT IS WHAT I FOUND IN BLUFFTON AND IN HAMPTON LAKES.

HOWEVER THIS APARTMENT COMPLEX IS MAKING ME THINK ABOUT DECISIONS I NEVER I WOULD BE THINKING ABOUT LIKE SELLING MY DREAM HOUSE THAT I BOUGHT MERE TWO YEARS AGO AND IF I DON'T SELL WHAT KIND OF DAMAGE IS THIS COMPLEX GOING TO DO TO THE VALUE OF MY HOME MEASURES NEEDS TO BE TAKEN TO PROTECT NOT ONLY VETERANS BUT ALL RESIDENTS ALIKE TALL BLOCKING FENCING A SIGNIFICANT BUFFER OF TREES, GARBAGE AND UNSIGHTLY UTILITIES OUT OF SIGHT WITHOUT PROPER MITIGATION THE VET THE ACTIONS THAT THIS APARTMENT ARE GOING TO CAUSE IN OUR COMMUNITY CAN SPREAD VERY QUICKLY WITHIN OUR VETERAN COMMUNITY TURNING WHAT IS CURRENTLY A FRIENDLY PLACE TO LIVE INTO ONE NOT SO FRIENDLY. I APPRECIATE LEARNING MORE AND HEARING MORE ABOUT WHAT THE COMPLEX WILL ACTUALLY BE, HOW IT WILL AFFECT OUR COMMUNITY.

AND I THANK YOU FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE ON HEATHER PERKINS THANK YOU.

HELLO AND GOOD EVENING. HEATHER HARKINS 5840 COURT TV IN REGARD TO ITEM FIVE ON YOUR AGENDA, MR. JOHN REED ENTERED THIS STATEMENT INTO LAKE DIRECTORS MEETING MINUTES IN AUGUST 2017 FOUR MONTHS AFTER HE HAD REACQUIRED THE 3540 COURT PARCEL QUOTE IT ISN'T THE PROFIT THAT MOTIVATES MY TEAM. THE TEAM DOING WHAT THEY DO. THEY ARE EXCITED AS THEY WITNESSED AN IDEA, A VISION COME TO LIFE END QUOTE. ONCE UPON A TIME THE ARBOR IS AT FORDING COURT IN HAMPTON LAKE WAS A VISION WE HAVE COME TO LIFE AS MIXED AGE COMMUNITY WHERE MY KIDS CALL NEIGHBORS GRANDPARENTS THE LOOMING PINES CIRCLING ALL AROUND US FORM AN ARENA OF TREES THAT SHADE SUN HOSTS KIDS OUTSIDE UNTIL DARK CONVERSATIONS AND STREET PARTIES WITH NEIGHBORS AND LOTS OF WALKING. IF YOU HAVE NOT BEEN TO OUR STREET I PERSONALLY INVITE YOU TO VISIT BECAUSE THERE IS NOWHERE ELSE IN BLUFFTON LIKE IT. THE BUILDABLE LAND ON THE 3540 COURT PARCEL IS BETWEEN A ROCK AND A HARD PLACE THE ROCK BEING OUR EXISTING FORDING COURT COMMUNITY TO THE SOUTH AND THE

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IT MARKETED TO US ESTABLISHED IN THE MASTER PLAN A BILLBOARD ON THE LAND IDENTIFIES THE BUFFER AS WELL AS AN ADDITIONAL 30 FOOT SETBACK FROM THE EDGE OF THE BUFFER.

THERE MUST BE A SETBACK AT LEAST 30 FEET FOR THE UNDISTURBED BUFFER TO NOT BECOME A FALSE PROMISE. WE NEED YOUR HELP TO MITIGATE THE ADJACENT LAND USES.

FOR INSTANCE, THE DUMPSTER CAN BE MOVED FURTHER AWAY FROM TO THE NORTHEAST OF THE DEVELOPMENT WHERE IT WILL BE MORE SERVICEABLE AND FUNCTIONAL .

THE PLANTS CAN BE MINIMIZED AND KEPT WOODED AND FENCED AS AT RIVER RIDGE ACADEMY TO PRESERVE TREES FOR SCREENING AND TO NEGATE BASKING SPACE FOR ALLIGATORS.

IF GARAGES ARE ACTUALLY NEEDED THEY CAN ALL ASSEMBLE ALONG THE SOUTH OF THE PROPERTY TO BLOCK CAR LIGHTS FROM REACHING FORDING COURT. FINALLY, A FENCE SHOULD BE CONSTRUCTED FOR THE SAFETY OF APARTMENT AND FORECOURT RESIDENTS OTHER NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL PROPERTY AT FORDING LAKE ALREADY IS FENCED. 3540 COURT SHOULD BE TOO.

WITHOUT A FENCE THE UNDISTURBED BUFFER WILL DEGRADE OVER TIME. KIDS WILL SHORTCUT INJURY AND LIABILITY CAN BE AVOIDED WITH A FENCE. IN SUMMARY THE BUCKWALTER PD AGREEMENT SHOULD NOT BE A MECHANISM TO RIP APART THE ESTHETICS OF EXISTING COMMUNITIES WHERE LIVES HAVE BEEN BUILT FOR SAKE OF MAKING MONEY OFF OF NEW ONES THAT SIMPLY MAKES IT A MECHANISM FOR FRAUD. WITH THE TOWN COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AS ITS ACCOMPLICE PLEASE HELP PROTECT THE COMMUNITY OF YOUR NEIGHBORS THAT EXISTS ON FORDING TODAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

[IX.1. Compass Commons (Certificate of Appropriateness- Highway Corridor Overlay)]

OKAY. SO FOR NEW BUSINESS FOR CAMPUS COMMONS CERTIFICATE APPROPRIATENESS FOR HIGHWAY CORRIDOR OVERLAY KEVIN GOOD EVENING PLANNING COMMISSION.

THANK YOU FOR HAVING US UP HERE THIS EVENING. WE ARE HERE FOR A REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF OPENNESS IN THE HIGHWAY CORRIDOR. THIS IS FOR THE TWO RESTAURANTS EXCUSE ME TWO RESTAURANT BUILDINGS WITH APPROXIMATELY 5125 SQUARE FEET AND 875 SQUARE FEET OF OUTDOOR DINING SPACE AS WELL AS THE NECESSARY INFRASTRUCTURE.

THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED IN THE NEWER SIDE VILLAGE AND HERE IS THE SITE PLAN OF THE SITE TO THE SITE. HERE YOU SEE HOW A 46 THE PARK SIDE COMMONS THE ENTRANCE THIS IS IN THAT NEWLY CONSTRUCTED RIVERSIDE VILLAGE AND IT'S THE CLOSEST TO SEE ME IT'S THE FURTHEST WAY PARCEL FROM THE TRAFFIC CIRCLE. HERE IS THE FIRST FLOOR PLAN SO I'M GOING TO RUN THROUGH THIS RELATIVELY QUICKLY AND THEN HOPEFULLY EVERYONE HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO READ THROUGH STAFF REPORT. SO HERE'S THE RESTAURANT FLOOR PLANS, THE ROUTE PLANS. ONE OF THE ITEMS I'VE KIND OF HIGHLIGHTED HERE IN YELLOW IS JUST THAT WE WERE USING A SCRIBNER'S ERROR THAT WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WAS JUST UPDATED THAT THERE IS A PITCHED ROOF THERE BUT IT DIDN'T HAVE THE PITCH IT.

WE BELIEVE IT IS THE 412 PITCH ROOF BUT JUST JUST LOOK MISLABELED ACCIDENT.

THESE ARE THE BASING PARK SIDE COMMON ELEVATIONS HERE YOU CAN SEE THE QUARTER UP HERE WHICH WEST POINT THIS IS FACING ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE WITH THE ADJACENT WHICH IS FORMERLY KNOWN AS THE SOUTH CAROLINA FORESTRY COMMISSION PARCEL OTHER ELEVATIONS FACING MAY RIVER ROAD THEN THE REAR OF THE DEVELOPMENT FACING MORE TOWARDS THE THE LANDINGS DEVELOPMENT JUST SOME OF THE ELEVATIONS FOR THE SEPARATIONS OF IT YOU CAN SEE IS THE SECOND BUILDING.

AGAIN THE ELEVATIONS BECAUSE OF THE ANGLE OF THE BUILDING THEY JUST JUST DIDN'T TURN OUT THEY DIDN'T LOOK RIGHT IF YOU TRIED TO JUST A FULL FULL FRONTAL VIEW OF IT.

COLOR RENDERINGS, THE MATERIALS AND ALL THE COLORS THAT HAVE BEEN REVIEWED.

HERE'S THE COLOR. THEY'RE ALL CONSISTENT AND IN COMPLIANCE.

AGAIN ADDITIONAL RENDERINGS FROM THE SIDES ADDITIONAL CROSS-SECTIONS.

I'M NOT GOING TO GO THROUGH THESE THESE ALL PART OF YOUR PACKET.

ONE ITEM THAT WE DID NOTICE AND MIGHT BE JUST AN ELEVATION ERROR IS JUST MAKING SURE THE THE DUMPSTER ENCLOSURE THE HEIGHT OF IT WOULD JUST BE A LITTLE BIT TALLER THAT FIVE SEVEN JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY HAVE HEIGHT SCREEN THAT MECHANICAL DETAIL AS ADDITIONAL RENDERINGS OF THE SITE SO THESE ARE ALL IN THE PACKET THE LANDSCAPE PLAN WE HAD WE WENT

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ONE ITEM IS THE LIGHTING PLAN. WE DID GO THROUGH THIS THERE WAS ONE OR TWO AREAS WHERE IT WAS BELOW BELOW THE MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS FROM A STAFF LEVEL AND WE HAVE IT IS ONE OF THE CONDITIONS WE FELT THAT IT IS APPROPRIATE WE JUST WANT CONSIDERATION FOR THAT AND THEN ALSO DEALING WITH THE THE ACTUAL LIGHTS THEMSELVES SINCE LED LIGHTS ARE NOT LISTED IN THAT ALLOWED LIGHTING WE JUST ASKED FOR THE DEVIATION THAT YOU DO ALLOW FOR LED LIGHTING WHICH WE HAVE DONE SO IN THE PAST THE REVIEW CRITERIA MET THESE CRITERIA YOUR THIS EVENING YOUR ACTIONS ARE TO APPROVE APPROVE WITH ANY CONDITIONS TO DENY THE APPLICATION BY THE APPLICANT. AND I'LL JUST KIND OF BRIEFLY GO THROUGH THESE WITH SOME OF OUR RECOMMENDATIONS SO I TALKED ABOUT THAT EIGHT FOOT FOUNDATION PLANTING THERE AT FIVE FEET JUST SHIFTING THE BUILDING OVER TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY MEET THAT REQUIREMENT THE DETERMINATION ABOUT THE LIGHTING THAT WHILE IT DOES NOT MEET THAT MINIMUM REQUIREMENT WE FELT THAT IS APPROPRIATE OVERALL AS WELL AS THE LED LIGHTS ALLOWING THE LED LIGHTS, THE SHED ROOF THIS WAS THE SCRIBNER'S THAT WE REFERRED TO IS JUST MAKING SURE THAT THAT THAT SHED ROOF PITCHES ON THEIR OTHER ITEMS INCLUDE LETTERS FROM THE DECLARANT THAT THE FINAL APPROVAL OF THE COFA IS WITH THE FINAL DEVELOPING PLAN MUST BE APPROVED FIRST AND OF COURSE SIGNED PERMITS ARE REQUIRED SEPARATE FROM THIS REVIEW PROCESS HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS I KNOW THE APPLICANT IS HERE MR. STOWERS ARE RIGHT THERE IF YOU HAVE ANYTHING FOR HIM KEVIN IF YOU COULD JUST BACK UP 1/2 TO THE PREVIOUS PAGE.

THIS ONE RIGHT HERE? YEAH. POINT NUMBER ONE ACTUALLY NEEDS TO SAY EAST SIDE AND NORTH SIDE BECAUSE THE NORTH SIDE IS ONLY FIVE FEET UP.

SAY THAT AGAIN THE HIGHWAY 46 SIDE YEAH IT'S ONLY FIVE FOOT INTO THE DRAWING IT'S NOT JUST THE EAST SIDE IT'S I THINK I WILL CHECK BUT I THINK WHEN WE SAY THE EAST SIDE THAT WE WERE REFERRING REFERRING TO THAT SIDE OF THE EAST SIDE OF THE BUILDING IS THE SIDE IN THE BACK WITH THE PARKING IS 5.2 FOR TWO DIFFERENT THERE ARE TWO DIFFERENT I GOTCHA I GOTCHA MAYBE WE JUST WHEN WE GET TO THAT POINT IF DO APPROVE IT WE SAY FEET ALL AROUND YEAH OKAY THANKS. ALL RIGHT. THE APPLICANT LIKE TO SPEAK TOWARDS THE PROJECT OR DO YOU WANT TO JUMP ON STEVE'S STIVERS WITH ARCHITECTURE 1 TO 1 IS THE ARCHITECT ON THIS PROJECT JUST WANTED SPEAK TO THE CLEARANCES AROUND THE BUILDING WE'VE HAD A NUMBER OF OPPORTUNITIES TO PRESENT THE PROJECT TO YOU. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE WE TALKED ABOUT AT OUR LAST MEETING WAS IN A LOT OF WAYS THIS IS TRYING TO PUT A RECTANGLE IN A TRIANGULAR PLOT AND SO WE GET A LITTLE SQUEEZED AND SO IN SOME LOCATIONS YES WE ARE SHORT OF THAT EIGHT FOOT BARRIER BUT IN OTHER PLACES WE HAVE WELL OVER 20 FEET OF FOUNDATION BUT SO WE WORK REALLY HARD TO KEEP THE EIGHT FOOT CONSISTENT ALONG THE MAIN WHAT WE THE MAIN FRONT OF THE BUILDING I KNOW 46 IS TECHNICALLY THE FRONT BUT I THINK THIS BUILDING IS BARELY VISIBLE FROM 4 TO 6 WITH THE REST OF THE FORESTED BUFFER SO WE KEPT A FIVE FOOT BUFFER THERE AND THEN WE WE SPECIFICALLY PLANTED THAT BUFFER THAT FIVE FOOT SO THAT IT WOULDN'T JUST BE TYPICAL FOUNDATION BUFFER WE PLANTED WITH CAMELLIAS AND PUT A CORPUS SO WOULD BE IT WOULD FEEL LIKE A VERY SIGNIFICANT FOUNDATION BUFFER AND THEN YOU KNOW IN THE OTHER AREAS I MEAN WE'VE WE'VE GOT 20 FEET OF FOUNDATION BUFFER IN A LOT OF PLACES AROUND THE BUILDING. SO WE'RE JUST TIGHT IN A COUPLE PLACES AND THAT'S JUST THE NATURE OF A TRIANGULAR BLOCK. COMMISSION'S HEARD ME SAY THIS BEFORE AND I'LL SAY IT AGAIN IT IS A MINIMUM OF EIGHT FEET ALL THE WAY AROUND IF YOU CAN'T MEET IT YOU CAN MAKE THE BUILDING SMALLER OR MOVE THE BUILDING IN MY OPINION I'M ONE OF FIVE TONIGHT BUT. THAT'S A REQUIREMENT WE HAVE THAT WE HOLD EVERYBODY TO I AND YOU'RE I UNDERSTAND YOUR ARGUMENT HOWEVER RIGHT RIGHT WITH THAT DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER COMMENTS? NO, I THINK ALL RIGHT. KEVIN DID A FANTASTIC JOB.

OKAY. AND I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

I'M SURE WE HAVE A COUPLE DO WE WANT TO AND WHAT I WANT TO START OFF OF ANY QUESTIONS WHEN YOU WANT TO START. SURE. JUST ON THE FOUNDATION PLANTING IS IT NOT TO JUST SHIFT EVERYTHING TO THE LEFT? WELL, WHAT WHAT WHAT ENDS UP IS AS YOU SHIFT IT THIS WAY THE FIRST TAKE AWAY NOW I THINK WE CAN ACTUALLY SHIFT AND IS ALL YOU'RE ALL DISCRETION ABOUT IF IF IF THE THE THREE FOOT DEFICIENCY ON WHAT NORTH SIDE WENT ON TO THE PLANT THE SITE PLAN THAT WAY WE ARE TALKING THE SAME LANGUAGE THAT EITHER

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SOUNDS LIKE THAT BUILDING NEEDS TO BE THREE FEET NARROWER OR 2.8 FEET NARROWER.

WHAT ELSE ON THE LIGHTING IS THERE? WHAT'S THE RATIONALE BEHIND THE DISCREPANCIES FOR THE GUIDELINES? WHAT'S PRESENTED OR WHAT ARE THE CHALLENGES TO I ACTUALLY THINK A COUPLE OF THEM THEY CAN JUST BE SLID DOWN AND THEN THAT WOULD ONLY LEAVE ONE DEFICIENCY WHICH IS DOWN AT THE WHAT WE'RE CALLING THE ACCESS ROAD OR THE THE THE THE MASTER DEVELOPMENT ROAD THAT ATTACHES TO THE ADJACENT PARCEL.

AND I THINK THAT MORE APPROPRIATELY LIT WITH THE STREET LIGHTING THAT'S CURRENTLY DONE THROUGHOUT THE MASTER DEVELOPMENT AS OPPOSED TO OUR LIGHTS EVEN THOUGH IT IS OUR PROPERTY IT'S THEIR EASEMENT. MY OTHER QUESTION IS JUST FOR A SAFETY PERSPECTIVE IS IT POSSIBLE TO GET SOME LIGHTS DON'T LEAVE THE DUMPSTER WITH NO FOOT CANDLES OR I DON'T THINK THAT WILL ACTUALLY HAPPEN IF WE SWITCHED ONE OF THESE A SLIDING GLASS MAYBE IT'S WAS IT IN HERE? THERE YOU GO.

IF IF WE TAKE THIS ONE RIGHT HERE AND SLIDE IT TO THE DUMPSTER, I THINK THAT WILL HELP. OKAY. AND THE OTHER THING IS I WOULD SAY THIS THIS PLAN IS THE SITE LIGHTING PLAN FOR JUST THE OVERLAY IT DOESN'T TAKE INTO ACCOUNT ALL THE BUILDING ON THE BUILDING. GOTCHA.

THANK YOU. THAT'S ALL I HAVE. JIM, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING? AND JUST AS CHARLIE INDICATED EARLIER, JUST CAN THE BUILDING BE MOVED A LITTLE BIT BUT THEN HE'S SAYING THAT THE GOING TO IMPACT THE OTHER ONE THEN YOU GO BACK TO HIS CHARLIE'S POINT OF THEN THE BUILDING SHOULD HAVE BEEN SMALLER TAKE INTO ACCOUNT ANYTHING ELSE THAT OKAY I'M GOING TO SIDE WITH CHARLIE ON THE THE FOUNDATION I THINK THAT MAYBE A ROAD SIDE IS IS IMPORTANT SO WHATEVER YOU NEED TO DO TO TO TO MEET REQUIREMENTS ON THAT FOUNDATION ALSO LOOKING AT THE THE DUMPSTER SCREENING AND JUST THERE'S POCKET THAT'S A LITTLE BIT OPEN SO LOOK AT THAT IT'S ALONG A TRAIL SO JUST LOOK SEE IF YOU CAN ADD A LITTLE BIT MORE MATERIAL AROUND THAT DUMPSTER SO THE VISIBLE FROM CEDRIC OKAY I DO HAVE A QUESTION AND MAYBE YOU CAN NAVIGATE THIS FOR ME ON THE ELEVATION THE MAY RIVER ELEVATION WHERE DO THOSE STACKS COME UP FOR THE PIZZA OVENS THEY ARE NOW WE HAVE MOVED THE PIZZA OVENS ALL OF THE ALL OF THE VENTING IS ON THE BACK SIDE.

SO TELL ME ALL OF THAT WILL BE ON THIS AND AGAIN IT'S COMPLICATED BECAUSE IT'S LET'S GO TO A ROOF PLAN. I JUST WANT TO VERIFY THAT NOTHING'S GOING TO BE SHOWN ON MAKING PERMIT. THERE IS I KNOW WE TALKED ABOUT THIS BEFORE ON ON THE BUT I JUST DIDN'T UNDERSTAND WITH THE FLOOR PLAN HOW DID YOU GET THOSE STACKS TO GO TOGETHER? YOU'RE NOT DEALING WITH GREASE. THEY'RE JUST THEY'RE JUST MINUTES.

THEY'RE JUST HEAT. SO THEY'RE GOING TO GO UP AND WHERE DO THEY COME OUT ON THE ROOF THEY'LL BE NOT A THING ON THE ROOF. NO THAT'S THE I DO HAVE THEM SHOWN ON HERE BUT I, I FEEL WE HAVE A HOLE ADEQUATE I WOULD FEEL COMFORTABLE IF YOU SHOW THEM ON THEIR I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S NOT ON RIVER AND WE DON'T SEE ANY THING COMING UP HIGHER THAN WE ANTICIPATE AND HAS ALL THE I'M ASSUMING YOU'VE ALREADY GONE THROUGH MECHANICAL SO ALL THE CLEARANCES ARE GOOD UP THERE WELL ACTUALLY BASED ON THAT LET ME MAKE THE COMMENT WE'VE MADE TO OTHER APPLICANTS RECENTLY IT IS A REQUIREMENT THAT THOSE MECHANICALS STAY UNDER THE VISUAL BARRIER TO THE POINT WHERE THEY WILL NOT PERMIT YOU IF THEY DON'T. SURE YEAH WE WORKED PRETTY HARD IN FACT I COMMUNICATED ON A COUPLE OF THESE ELEVATIONS THAT THE SCREEN ACTUALLY IS THE SAME HEIGHT AS THE HOOD.

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OKAY. SO THE MECHANICAL PIECE ON YOUR BUILDING BEAT BACK COMING OUT OF THE ROOF, HOW DO ACCESS THAT BECAUSE THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE BI LATERAL WE WORKED HARD TO GET THAT TO OTHER LOCATIONS ACCESSIBLE FROM THE WALKWAY BUT FOR THE GREEN FOOT AND THE CONDENSER THAT'S GOING TO BE IN THERE YOU'LL HAVE TO GET LOT OF SO THERE'S ROOM FOR YOU TO WALK AROUND. YEAH I THINK IT LITERALLY JUST BROUGHT IN A PROP AND A LADDER UP AGAINST THE SCREEN AND I'M JUST THAT JUST BECAUSE I'M WORKING SOMETHING WE HAVE SOME ON THE ROOF AND WE HAVE TO PUT A PLATFORM AND LADDER SO YOU'RE YOU MEET THE HEIGHT BECAUSE THE LADDER DOESN'T HAVE TO BE AS LONG AS YOU'RE LESS THAN 16 FEET.

BUT I WAS JUST WONDERING HOW THAT WORKED ON THE MAINLAND THAT WE CAN PUT A A SMALL ACCESS FROM THE MECHANICAL ROOM BEHIND IT IN THERE THOSE ARE JUST HARD TO WATERPROOF AND IF I KNOW I KNOW IF DON'T HAVE TO DO THAT I'M FINE IT WAS JUST IT'S NOT A IT'S JUST I KNOW I'M GOING THROUGH IT DURING YOUR HEAD WHICH IS THIS IS YOUR RIGHT AS SOMEBODY IN THE AC BUSINESS I DON'T APPRECIATE THAT YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A LITTLE DOOR.

YES. OKAY. LITTLE GORGEOUS.

YOU GOT IT. NO, I'M NOT I'M NOT SAYING THAT.

OKAY. SO SOUNDS LIKE WE'RE HAVING A HARD TIME WITH THIS EIGHT FOOT FOUNDATION. THE QUESTION ENHANCING YEP. FIRST OFF, PERHAPS IN THE ORDINANCE FOR THE LANDSCAPING SECTION D NUMBER. CAN WE GET SOME CLARITY ON WHAT IT MEANS WHEN IT SAYS A LANDSCAPE BUFFER AT LEAST EIGHT FEET WIDE SHALL BE MAINTAINED BETWEEN ANY STRUCTURE AND ANY PARKING DRIVING AREA EXCEPT LOADING AREAS AND AREAS WHERE DRIVE THRU ARE UTILIZED. SPACE IS RESERVED FOR PLANT MATERIAL NO SPACES REQUIRED AT THE REAR OR OTHER SIDES OF THE BUILDING. DOES THAT MEAN YOU DON'T HAVE TO HAVE EIGHT FEET ALL THE WAY AROUND THE BUILDING? YEAH LOOK WHEN YOU HAVE AREAS THE BACK OF HOUSE ESPECIALLY FOR RESTAURANTS WHERE YOU KNOW YOU MIGHT HAVE LIKE A MOP SINK OR SOMETHING LIKE OBVIOUSLY YOU CAN'T PUT FOUNDATION PLANTINGS IN WHERE YOU'RE HAVING MUCH OR YOU'RE HAVING YOU KNOW, ANY TYPE OF EQUIPMENT IF YOU HAVE YOU KNOW, GASOLINE UTILITIES, THINGS LIKE THAT CAN'T BE BLOCKED AND THEN THAT'S WHAT GIVES THAT THAT LITTLE BIT OF BUT WHEN IT SAYS IT'S NOT REQUIRED AT THE REAR OR OTHER SIDES, IS THAT A BLANKET STATEMENT WHERE IT'S ONLY TO MEAN THAT THE EIGHT FEET IS ONLY REQUIRED AT THE FRONT OR DO YOU KNOW I MEAN MAYBE IT WOULD HELP IF YOU HAVE THAT SECTION UP.

YEAH I DON'T KNOW IF I HAVE IT IN THE SECOND ONE BECAUSE I THINK ON OTHER PROJECTS BEFORE WE'VE HAD LESS THAN EIGHT FEET ON REAR I'M NOT SURE IF THAT HELPS WE STILL WANT IT TO BE ON THE FRONT BUT YEAH THE SERVER SIDE IT'S BEEN LESS A PART OF THE CHALLENGE WE HAVE ON THE EAST SIDE IS YOU'VE GOT A PARKING SPACE WITH NO SIDEWALK THERE TOO.

WE HAVE A LOT OF THAT PROBLEM BUT WE CAN'T LOOK AT THAT TONIGHT.

YEAH YEAH I DON'T I I'M SORRY I DON'T I DON'T WE DON'T HAVE THAT IN THE PRESENTATION IT'S IN THE PACKET I DON'T HAVE THE WHOLE PACKAGE. OH GOTCHA SORRY IT'S DIDN'T IT WAS ACTUALLY LOOK AT IT SO I WANT TO KNOW THIS LANDSCAPING STAGE 58 OF THE PACKET IF THAT HELPS THE COMPLETE PACK IN FRONT OF ME SORRY THAT'S OKAY I MEAN I CAN IF YOU DON'T MIND I CAN GIVE ME A FEW MINUTES AND WE CAN LOOK INTO THAT BUT I MEAN WHAT WE CAN IS AGAIN IF WE'RE ABLE TO SHIFT THE BUILDING WE'RE GETTING THE LANDSCAPING ON OUR PUBLIC SIDE IT MAY RIVERSIDE THE STREET SIDE THAT'S VISUAL LIKE VISIBLE FROM I GUESS I'M JUST TRYING TO GET AT IS IT A VARIANCE IF IT'S LESS THAN IF IT'S AT SEVEN FEET ON THE OTHER SIDE WHEN IT SAYS NO SUCH SPACE IS REQUIRED THE REAR OR OTHER SIDE YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? LIKE IF IT'S NOT A VARIANCE THEN I DON'T THINK WE HAVE TO HOLD THEM TO THAT.

HOW ABOUT WE DO IT THIS WAY JUST AND IN THE INTEREST OF TIME WE CAN OUR MOTION FOR EIGHT FOOT BUFFERS ALL AROUND AS DEFINED BY AND THEN MENTION THAT YEAH THE STAFF WITH THAT GUIDELINE SO THEN IF IT IS NOT THEN WE CAN DO SOME MORE RESEARCH ON IT I OKAY SO WITH THAT THE WHO WANTS TO MAKE THAT MOTION SHE HAS THE CODE SO I KIND OF GOT TO FIGURE OUT WHAT SECTION 48.48 COULD I MAKE THE POINT BECAUSE THERE'S BEEN SO COULD COULD THE MOTION BE MADE

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YEAH YEAH. I THINK ANY OF OUR MOTION WILL BE STAFF LEVEL.

OKAY. I MEAN UNLESS WE DO THE OPPOSITE SO IF THAT ORDINANCE WHICH WE JUST READ IT SAID AN EXCEPTION TO WHAT IS THE STACKING RECALL TRYING TO FIND THE RIGHT YEAH YOU KNOW IT'S NOT THE IDEA YET YOU KNOW FOR THE FOLKS WHO ARE HERE FROM PUBLIC NAME IS RICHARDSON BRUCE I'M THE ATTORNEY FOR THE PLANNING COMMISSION HERE THAN I AND I HAVE A MOTION I MAKE SURE PEOPLE PARDON YOU DON'T HAVE A MICROPHONE TO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY CAN HEAR YOU WELL OKAY. RIGHT.

GOOD EVENING EVERYBODY TO TO WORK FOR THIS MOTION A LITTLE BIT MORE QUICKLY WHAT I WOULD RECOMMEND BASED OFF OF WHAT I'VE HEARD FROM THE COMMISSION TONIGHT IS TO MAKE A MOTION AS AS RECOMMENDED BY STAFF FOR APPROVAL WITH CONDITIONS CONDITIONS LISTED IN THE STAFF REPORT BUT WITH CONDITION NUMBER ONE BEING SUBJECT TO STAFF REVIEW AND APPROVAL TO THE REAR BOUNDARY EIGHT FOOT BUFFER AND THAT ISSUE I WOULD SAY THE BUFFER ALL AROUND SUBJECT TO THAT. OKAY SO WE'LL DO THE A MOTION APPROVE WITH CONDITIONS AS STATED IN THE STAFF REPORT SUBJECT TO THE MODIFICATION CONDITION NUMBER ONE THE CONFIRMATION THE ARE FROM STAFF THAT THE EIGHT FOOT BUFFER IS REQUIRED AROUND THE ENTIRE BUILDING BUT ALSO READ THE GENERIC TERM EFFECTS FOR THAT I WANT TO MAKE SURE ALL THE MECHANICALS ON THAT AND WHAT HAVE THEM SHOWN ON THE PLAN ON THE POINT YOU LOOK I'D LIKE MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE APPLICATION WITH THE CONDITION NOTED BY STAFF WITH THE FIRST CONDITION AND SUBJECT TO STAFF REVIEW OF THE BUSY ISO REQUIREMENTS FOR THE FOUNDATION BUFFER TO ENSURE THAT THE FINAL PLAN IS COMPLIANT WITH THE SECTION.

I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO INCLUDE THAT WE HAVE THAT LED LIGHTS ARE AN APPROPRIATE SUBSTITUTE PER SECTION THREE OF THIS AND THEN ADD AN ADDITIONAL CONDITION THAT THE CHIMNEYS BE AND VENTS ALL BE SHOWN ON THE ROOF PLAN AND CONFIRMED NOT TO BE VISIBLE FROM YOU'LL HAVE A SECOND 1/2. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? YES.

DO WE HAVE IN HERE THE DUMPSTER SITE NOT SAYING YEAH BUT IS IT IN IS IT IN THE STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS OTHERWISE WE NEED TO ADD IT. I'M NOT SAYING WE CAN THAT ON THE ON THE ON THE FINAL ONE ON THE PLAN STAFF I'LL MAKE SURE IT HAPPENS.

OKAY GOOD. OKAY. OH THOSE IN FAVOR SAY I KNOW.

[IX.2. Parklands Drive Tract 4 (Development Plan Amendment)]

THE SECOND ITEM ON THE AGENDA PARKLANDS DRIVE TRACT FOR DEVELOPMENT PLAN AMENDMENTS AND SHOULD PEOPLE BE THANK YOU MADAM CHAIRMAN. GIVE ME 1/2 TO THIS PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR PARKING'S DRIVE TRACK FOUR. IT'S A REQUEST JEN TOWNSLEY OF PALMETTO COASTAL LANDSCAPING ON BEHALF OF HAMPTON COMMUNITY ASSOCIATION FOR APPROVAL OF A PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN. THE APPLICATION PROPOSES TO CONSTRUCT AN ENCLOSED STORAGE AREA TO SERVE AS VEHICLE AND EQUIPMENT STORAGE FOR LANDSCAPE OPERATIONS.

PROPERTY IS IN THE BUCKWALTER PD AND WITHIN THE PRIVATE WATER MASTER PLAN.

THIS IS THE LOCATION OF THE PROPERTY OFF OF BLUFFTON PARKWAY AND THE IS JUST SOUTH OF PARKLANDS DRIVE THE HAMPTON LAKE COMMUNITY AT THE AREA OF THIS SAME LOCATION THE APPLICATION FOR A PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN SO PREVIOUSLY SERVED A STOCKPILE YARD FOR DREDGE MATERIAL DURING THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE ADJACENT APARTMENT COMPLEX AND A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF EXCAVATED IS PRESENT ON SITE. THE PROPOSED WORK INCLUDES

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THAT'S A CLOSE A LITTLE BIT CLOSER PICTURE OF IT. BUT I CAN COME BACK TO THIS SEVEN QUESTIONS PLANNING COMMISSION SHALL CONSIDER THE CRITERIA SET FORTH IN SECTION 310 THREE EIGHT OF THE VIDEO. THIS IS THE SIX CRITERIA PLANNING COMMISSION HAS THE AUTHORITY TO TAKE THE FOLLOWING ACTION THEY CAN APPROVE THE APPLICATION OF THE SUBMITTED PROOF THE APPLICATION WITH CONDITIONS THEY CAN TABLE THE APPLICATION OR THEY CAN DENY THE APPLICATION SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT AND THAT FINDS THE REQUIREMENTS OF 310 THREE A THE UTO HAVE BEEN MET AND RECOMMENDS THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION APPROVE THE APPLICATION AS SUBMITTED AND WE HAVE A SUGGESTED MOTION THERE BUT I CAN MOVE TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE FIRST WOULD THE APPLICANT LIKE TO SPEAK SORRY WOULD THE APPLICANT LIKE TO SPEAK ON SOMETHING I'M SORRY I WAS GOING TO SAY YOU'RE DIFFERENT PROJECT IS THE APPLICANT YEAH AND FEEDBACK THAT I AN ENGINEER ON THE PROJECT I'M HERE ON HIS BEHALF A REAL STRAIGHTFORWARD PROJECT WE'RE TRYING TO USE A SITE THAT OTHERWISE IS TOUGH TO USE AND WE'RE GOING TO TALK YARD BACK THERE AND I'LL BE ABLE TO SEE IT.

WE'RE KIND OF CAPTURING FLOW FROM GOING TO A PROTECTED AREA AND REROUTING IT TO A STORMWATER KIND OF OVER DESIGNED TO HELP IMPROVE WATER QUALITY TO BE STRAIGHTFORWARD I THINK NO THE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE WILL BE AFFECTED BY THIS PROJECT.

THANK YOU. YOU MENTIONED A FENCE. IS IT ON ANY OF THESE MAPS OR CAN YOU SHOW US WHERE THE FENCE IS GOING TO BE? IT'S IT'S BASICALLY AROUND HARD TO SEE ON THIS SCALE BUT IT'S AROUND THE GRAVEL PARKING AREA .

IT'S JUST GOING TO FULLY ENCOMPASS IT. IT'S ABOUT 0.8 ACRES WRAPS AROUND HERE. IS THERE JUST ALL THE GRAVEL BE FULLY ENCOMPASSED THE QUESTIONS OF SIX FOOT CHAIN LINK WITH I BELIEVE SO WE WILL SUBMIT WILLING PARTNERS IS DOING A LANDSCAPE DESIGN PLAN AND THEY'LL SUBMIT FENCING WITH OUR FINAL PITCH AND I DID LOOK AT THE ELEVATIONS I MEAN IT'S 20 FEET 20 FEET ABOVE SEA LEVEL WHERE THE GRAVEL IS IT GOES UP TO A HIGH 38 AND THEN DOWN WHERE THE LAGOON IS IS 26. SO YEAH IT'S 12 TO 18 FEET IN VERTICAL AND BY THE TIME THEY'RE DONE MOVING THE DIRT ON TOP IT MAY BE EVEN MORE.

ANYONE WANT TO MAKE A MOTION TO PUBLIC COMMENTS ON THIS ITEM? OH OKAY.

WELL THEN I GUESS WE'RE GOING TO GO TO THE PUBLIC COMMENT AMENDMENT.

THIS ONE FRANK BARBARA OKAY. NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD FRANK BARBIERI 114 COURT MY CONCERNS WITH THIS IS NOT WITH THE BUFFERING THAT SORT OF THING.

IS GASOLINE GOING TO BE STORED ON THE SITE AND ARE ANY TOXIC THAT ARE PART OF A LANDSCAPING SITUATION GOING TO BE ON THE SITE? ARE THEY GOING TO BE SECURED AND ANY OF THESE BE DRAINED INTO THE LAKE AND I'M CONCERNED THOSE ASPECTS.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU. YOU HAVE ANOTHER ONE IN LOT OF THEIR THUNDER. HI, I'M TIM LATIMER. I'M A PROFESSIONAL GEOSCIENTIST MOSTLY RETIRED AND LIVING HERE IN SIX MONTHS OF THE YEAR. I'M A CANADIAN CITIZEN BUT I REALLY LOVE IT IN THIS ADDRESS LOCALLY THAT PICTOU ANCHOR BAND LOTTIE 017 GOING ON TO PLAN AND

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I'M CONCERNED THAT THE STORMWATER OUTLET FROM THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT WILL DISCHARGE INTO THAT POND AND I THINK THAT IF THE WATER IF THERE'S NO CHANGE IN WATER QUALITY IN THE AREA BECAUSE OF THE BETTER PRACTICES OF THE LANDSCAPE CONTRACTOR IN THE DEVELOPMENT THEN THAT WATER SHOULD ALL GO INTO THE WETLAND RATHER THAN INTO THE POND TO PREVENT THE RISK OF ADDITIONAL PHOSPHORUS COMING FROM FERTILIZER FOR EXAMPLE FROM THE LANDSCAPE OR IN DISCHARGING OR REDUCING THE WATER QUALITY IN THAT POINT HAVE LOTS OF TECHNICAL BACKUP INFORMATION THAT I CAN PROVIDE IF YOU ASK ME AND I APOLOGIZE THIS DAY THAT THIS NEW AMENDMENT AVAILABLE TO ME UNTIL IT WAS RELEASED IN NOVEMBER THE 22ND.

SO THERE'S BEEN A RELATIVELY SHORT TIME TO PREPARE A REASONABLE PRESENTATION TO THE COMMITTEE. I THINK I FOR MYSELF NOT RESIDENTS BUT THANK YOU I APPRECIATE IT VERY MUCH. AND THEN COULD YOU ADDRESS SOME THE COMMENTS THAT THEY HAD AS FAR AS WHAT'S GOING TO BE STORED ON SITE AND I'M SECURITY AND DIFFERENT THING AS FAR AS I KNOW I'LL NEED TO CHECK WITH MEDICAL SCHOOL IN TERMS OF THE EQUIPMENT AND MATERIALS GOING TO BE STORED ON SITE I'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THE ASSUMPTION IT WILL BE VEHICLES FOR THE WORKERS DURING THE DAY. IT'LL BE TRAILERS THAT NEED TO BE STORED AND LAWNMOWERS THAT SORT OF THING IN TERMS OF GASOLINE AND CHEMICALS I'M NOT SURE HOW TO ADDRESS THE LAGOON BUT WE ARE NOT CHANGING ANY OF THE DRAINAGE PATTERNS. ALL OF THIS AREA ALREADY GOES TO THE POND. SPEAK A LITTLE BIT CLOSER TO THE MIKE.

I THINK THEY'RE HAVING A HARD TIME. CAN YOU HEAR BACK THERE? NO, NO, NO, NO. BUT WHAT I HEARD A LITTLE BIT OKAY.

MARY ALL RIGHT. SO WE ARE NOT CHANGING EXISTING PATTERNS.

ALL OF THIS LAND ALREADY DRAINS TO THE POND WE'RE ACTUALLY CAPTURING IT, SLOWING IT DOWN AND WE'RE REDUCING BEYOND WHAT IS REQUIRED IN THE SO LOCAL ALL OF OUR POST DEVELOPMENT FLOWS LEAVING THIS AREA ARE LESS THAN PRE-DEVELOPMENT CONDITIONS AND INCLUDING THEY WILL ALL BE REDUCED AT LEAST 80% FROM THIS SITE AND THERE'S THEIR LITERATURE OR SOMETHING THAT BACKS UP SO THAT WHEN YOU ALL CONTINUE FOR THE STAFF AND YES MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S HAPPENING A STORMWATER DESIGN REPORT THAT GOES THROUGH ALL OF THIS INCLUDING THE POLLUTANT REDUCTIONS. SO THE QUESTION IF YOU CAN DISCHARGE IN THE WETLANDS IT'S NOT IDEAL. THOSE ARE PROTECTED WETLAND AND IN FACT YOU CAN SEE THERE'S BEEN SIGNIFICANT BUFFERS BEYOND WHAT'S NORMAL ESTABLISHED FOR THIS.

SO DURING KIND OF THE DESIGN DEVELOPMENT OF MEAN WE'RE TALKING WE WERE TALKING WITH THE STATE THEY PREFER TO GO TO THE INTERCONNECTED POND SYSTEM RATHER THAN THE WETLAND BUT I CAN ALSO TELL YOU IN HAMPTON LAKE ON THE OTHER OF HAMPTON LAKE THERE'S BEEN TOO MUCH FRESHWATER TO THE WETLANDS AND IT'S KILLING THE TREES AND DISCHARGING TO WETLANDS AROUND HERE IS A BIG NO NO AS OPPOSED GOING TO A FRESHWATER LAGOON. SO LIKE ANYBODY HAVE ANY FURTHER COMMENTS QUESTIONS YOU WON'T FEEL COMFORTABLE TO GO AHEAD AND MAKE A MOTION TO MOVE TO APPROVE THE PARKLANDS DRIVE TRACK FOR PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN AS SUBMITTED A SECOND SECOND ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON PAPER I AND JUST SAY YOU KNOW THERE'S OTHER

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[IX.3. Alljoy Donut Company (Development Plan Application)]

THANK YOU MADAM CHAIRMAN. THIS IS PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR OLDROYD DONUT COMPANY TO REQUEST BY MARIA GIRARDI ON BEHALF OF TROY DERRIDA FOR APPROVAL OF A PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT APPLICATION. THE PROJECT CONSISTS OF A TWO STORY BUILDING WITH A DONUT SHOP ON THE FIRST FLOOR AND A RESIDENTIAL UNIT ON THE SECOND FLOOR AND THE ASSOCIATED PARKING AND INFRASTRUCTURE PROPERTIES IDENTIFIED BY TAX NUMBER I SKIP THAT CONSIST OF .21 ACRES LOCATED AT 26 BRUIN ROAD IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD GENERAL HISTORIC THIS IS THE LOCATION OF THE PROPERTY IT IS THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF WHERE BRUIN ROAD AND PRITCHARD STREET INTERSECT THE AERIAL OF THE SAME LOCATION APPLICATION FOR THE PROPERTY IS WITHIN THE DISTRICT AND WILL IT WILL BE REQUIRED A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS HISTORIC DISTRICT WILL BE REQUIRED REVIEW AND APPROVAL THE APPLICANT PROPOSES TO CONSTRUCT A TWO STOREY 2388 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING CONTAINING A DONUT SHOP ON THE FIRST FLOOR AND A SHORT TERM RENTAL DWELLING UNIT ON THE SECOND FLOOR. PARKING PROVIDED INCLUDES FIVE STANDARD SPACES ONE ADA ACCESSIBLE PARKING AND TWO GOLF CART PARKING SPACES AND THAT THAT IS THE EIGHT REQUIRED SPACES THAT COME ON UNEMPLOYMENT AREA DEVELOPMENT PLAN WERE REVIEWED AT OCTOBER 25, 2023 REVIEW COMMITTEE MEETING.

THE APPLICANT PROVIDED A RE SUBMITTAL INCLUDING A RESPONSE TO COMMENTS ON NOVEMBER 21ST, 2023. REVISED SITE PLAN DEMONSTRATES THAT THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT MEETS PARKING OPEN SPACE TREE CANOPY AND LANDSCAPE REQUIREMENTS AND THIS IS THE SITE PLAN AND MAYBE I COULD BRING IT UP A LITTLE BIT CLOSER SO USE THIS OVER HERE THE IT'S A 22 FOOT WIDE ENTRANCE COMING OFF THE BRUIN ROAD PARKING PARKING UP ON ONE SIDE THERE'S ONE ADA SPACE AND IN THREE FOR ADDITIONAL PARK STANDARD PARKING SPACES HERE TWO GOLF CART SPACES AT THE END ONE ADDITIONAL PARKING SPACE HERE. THIS IS PROVIDED AS A TURN AROUND AS YOU COME IN IT COME IN YOU FIND THAT THAT PARKING IS FULL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO PULL INTO HERE AND TURN AROUND AND HEAD BACK. THIS IS THE PROPOSED PROPERTY WITH THE PORCH IS ACTUALLY UNHEATED TO THE PATIO AND BACK IF YOU COUNT THE PATIO IN BACK AND THE FIRST FLOOR OF THAT REQUIRES SIX PARKING SPACES TOTAL AND THE SECOND FLOOR OF RESIDENTIAL UNIT REQUIRES THIS REQUIRES TWO ADDITIONAL PARKING SPACES TO BE ALLOCATED FOR IT. THIS IS THE OPEN SPACE PLAN WAS IN YOUR PACKET ON THE LEFT PROVIDE SOME OF THE SITE DATA THAT WAS ADDITIONAL SITE DATA THAT YOU HAD A CHANCE TO REVIEW . THE SHADED BLUE AREA REPRESENTS PERVIOUS CLOSE CLOSER VIEW OF IT PURPLE PURPLE COLORED PLAN BLUE IS ABOUT THAT CLOSE PLANNING COMMISSION SHALL CONSIDER THE CRITERIA SET FORTH IN SECTION THREE 1038 OF THE RADIO IN ASSESSING THE APPLICATION IT IS THE SAME SIX CRITERIA I SHOWED YOU AT THE PREVIOUS DEVELOPMENT APPLICATION PLANNING COMMISSION HAS THE AUTHORITY TO TAKE ACTION.

YOU CAN IMPROVE THE APPLICATION, YOU CAN IMPROVE THE APPLICATION WITH CONDITIONS. YOU CAN TABLE THE APPLICATION, YOU CAN DENY THE APPLICATION AS SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT AND TOWN STAFF FINDS THAT THE REQUIREMENTS OF SECTION 310 THREE A OF THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT OR HAVE BEEN MET RECOMMENDS THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION APPROVE THE APPLICATION AS SUBMITTED AND I'LL OPEN IT UP FOR ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE IF THE APPLICANT WANTED TO SPEAK I DON'T KNOW.

NOT AT THIS MOMENT. OKAY, GREAT. JUMP IN HERE TOO OR JUST HERE

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I'M AFRAID THAT'S WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN WHEN THE ALL THE SPOTS SHOW FIVE OR SIX WHEN NORMALLY ON A SATURDAY OR SUNDAY THEY'LL HAVE TEN OR 12 SO I'M AFRAID ALL THAT PARKING'S GOING TO CONGEST ALL ALONG PRITCHARD STREET AND IT'S GOING TO AFFECT MY PROPERTY VALUES. THANK YOU. YOU'RE JEANETTE BUSSARD WANT TO THANK THE COMMUNITY FOR GIVING ME THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. OH, I'M SORRY. I'M JEANETTE BUSTARD.

I AM THE WIFE OF PRESTON BROTHERS. I LIVE AT 21 PRITCHARD STREET IN THE TYBURN SUBDIVISION I CAME UP TO TO EXPLAIN THE SPREADSHEET THAT I THINK YOU SHOULD HAVE GOTTEN A COPY OF QUESTION AND I DID A LITTLE BIT OF TRAFFIC OBSERVATIONS OVER THE WEEKEND AT THE CURRENT HALL JOY DONUTS LOCATED ON THOMAS HAYWARD STREET FIRST FOUR COLUMNS YOU'LL SEE THE NUMBERS OF THAT WE OBSERVED AT THAT LOCATION AT 645 ON FRIDAY.

THIS IS ACTUALLY BEFORE THEY EVEN OPENED THERE WERE FIVE CARS PARKED THERE.

THERE WERE NO GOLF CARTS AND THERE NONE PARKED ON THE STREET AT 1006 THE SAME DAY THERE WERE 13 CARS PARKED THERE THERE NO GOLF CARTS AND THERE WERE THREE CARS PARKED ON THE STREET THE NEXT DAY ON SATURDAY AT 9:20 A.M. THERE WERE 13 CARS PARKED IN THE PARKING LOT AND THERE WERE NO CARS ON THE STREET. THERE WERE NO GOLF CARTS AND AT 12:30 P.M. WHICH WOULD HAVE BEEN ABOUT A HALF AN HOUR BEFORE CLOSED, THERE WERE TEN CARS IN IT IN THE PARKING LOT AND NO CARS PARKED ON THE STREET. AND AS YOU CAN AS YOU KNOW FROM THE PLAN THE PROPOSED NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES FOR THIS FOR THE RESTAURANT IS FOUR AND THAT INCLUDES AN ADA SPACE SO EVEN EVEN I ASSUMING THAT THE ADA SPACE IS BEING UTILIZED ALL THE TIME THAT SHOWS THAT YOU KNOW YOU'RE ONE SPACE WITH WOULD HAVE BEEN OVERFLOW AT 6:45 A.M.

ON FRIDAY AND NINE WOULD HAVE BEEN OVERFLOW ON CHANNEL SIX ON FRIDAY ANOTHER NINE ON AT 920 ON SATURDAY AND SIX CARS AT 12:30 P.M. ON SATURDAY. SO WE FEEL LIKE THESE NUMBERS ARE ACTUALLY CONSERVATIVE BECAUSE IT IS DECEMBER IS COLD BUT THE WEATHER WASN'T GREAT THIS LAST WEEKEND IT WAS KIND OF DRIZZLY. IT JUST WASN'T A GOOD DAY TO BE OUT RIGHT. SO FEEL LIKE THESE NUMBERS ARE ACTUALLY VERY CONSERVATIVE AND THIS IS NOT DURING THE PEAK TOURIST SEASON. SO IN THE SUMMERTIME THERE TRAFFIC IS PROBABLY EVEN MORE THAN THIS IS WORSE THAN THIS. SO WE'RE GOING TO SEE A CONSIDERABLE AMOUNT OF OVERFLOW TRAFFIC THAT'S NOT ACCOMMODATED BY THE PARKING PLAN THAT THEY'RE PROPOSING. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU FOR DOING THAT TRAFFIC ASSESSMENT. YOU OKAY? DOES ANYONE WANT TO START WITH QUESTIONS FOR DAN OR THE APPLICANT? OH OH I HAVE A COUPLE. DID YOU WANT TO START? SURE I WANT TO TURN AND ASK HIM I WANT TO COME UP AS WELL. I WAS AT THE DRC MEETING WHEN YOU WERE THERE AND THERE WERE A COUPLE OF THINGS WE DISCUSSED AT THAT TIME I DON'T SEE ADDRESSED IN HERE.

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HAS HE REACHED AN AGREEMENT OR ARRANGEMENT HE AND I'M READY TO DRAW ANY THANKS FOR HAVING ME HE HAS NOT REACHED AN AGREEMENT. I DON'T EVEN THINK HE'S GONE TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION YET. I KNOW WE TALKED AND HE WAS FORWARD WITH A PLAN TO HAVE THEM OFF SITE SOMEWHERE BUT NOT NECESSARILY AT COURT ACTIONS IN OR IN THAT AREA.

SO THEY POTENTIALLY HAVE TO WALK FROM SOME OTHER LOCATION. I'M NOT EXACTLY SURE WHERE THAT WOULD AT THIS POINT BUT IT WASN'T RIGHT NEXT DOOR. RIGHT.

MY FEAR IS YOU ALL KNOW THE CODE AND YOU ALL KNOW THAT A THOUSAND SQUARE FEET OF RESTAURANT SPACE OR LOWER YOU HAVE TO HAVE FOUR SPOTS AND YOU HAVE TO HAVE TWO SPOTS FOUR UPSTAIRS AND SO THAT'S WHAT YOU PROVIDED WE KNOW AND THIS IS THE CONVERSATION WE'VE HAD THAT THIS IS NOT GOING TO WORK FOR A PRACTICAL MATTER. THERE'S NOWHERE EVEN IF YOU PUT THE EMPLOYEES SOMEWHERE THERE ISN'T ENOUGH ROOM FOR THE CUSTOMERS TO PARK THERE WITHOUT CREATING BIG TIME TRAFFIC CONGESTION. THAT'S A HUGE CONCERN OF MINE TO THE POINT WHERE I PERSONALLY AM CONSIDERING VOTING AGAINST THIS.

EVEN THOUGH YOU'RE FOLLOWING THE YOUDO BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO CREATE A MESS.

SURE. AND I'M VERY DISAPPOINTED. I'M SORRY.

I'M NOT I'M NOT TAKING IT OUT ON YOU PERSONALLY BUT I'M VERY DISAPPOINTED TO SEE A COME FROM DRC WITH CONCERNS WE BROUGHT UP THERE THAT AREN'T MENTIONED I MEAN IF THIS WAS FURTHER DOWN HAYWARD STREET OR IF IT WAS OVER NEAR THE PROMENADE OR IF IT WAS SOMETHING LIKE THAT IT WOULD BE TOTALLY DIFFERENT THAN A PINCH POINT ON BROWN ROAD WHERE THERE IS NO PARALLEL PARKING WHERE AS WE JUST HEARD FROM A RESIDENT AROUND THE CORNER THEY HAVE CONCERNS THAT PEOPLE ARE GOING TO PARK ALONG THE GRASSY STREET IN OF THEIR HOUSE OR WE A PHANTOM AGREEMENT TO PUT CARS SOMEWHERE WE DON'T KNOW WHERE THEY ARE TO HOPEFULLY FIX THIS I JUST FEEL IT'S INCOMPLETE AT THIS POINT AND I'M FRUSTRATED. OKAY.

I'M SORRY YOU'RE FRUSTRATED. I DON'T RECALL THAT CONVERSATION ABOUT OFFICIALLY TO HAVE ANY EMPLOYEES SO THAT JUST ISN'T SO I DIDN'T HAVE ANYTHING TO BRING TO THE TABLE ABOUT THAT SO THAT I WAS AT THE LAST MEETING WE HAD BUT PERHAPS THAT WAS ANOTHER SIDE MEETING.

I JUST DIDN'T KNOW THAT WE NEEDED TO HAVE THAT FOR TODAY OR HAVE THAT IN THE WORKS WELL WE USUALLY WE TALK ABOUT POSSIBLY AND YOU'RE TALKING TO ONE PERSON OKAY THERE ARE FIVE PEOPLE UP HERE WE TALKED ABOUT ROTATING BUILDING WHEN ■SHE DID WE TALKED ABOUT CREATING AN AREA FOR MORE PARKING WE WE WANT YOU YOUR AS A BUSINESS PERSON IN THIS TOWN TO SUCCEED AND TO THRIVE IN THIS IN MY OPINION AS A BUSINESS OWNER IN THE PAST AND AS YOU KNOW INVOLVED IN BUSINESS FOR YEARS IS NOT A FORMULA SUCCESS. IT'S A FORMULA FOR CHAOS.

SURE THERE IS PARALLEL PARKING. YES, I HEAR EVERYTHING YOU'RE SAYING AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE PROBABLY CONCERNED ABOUT IS JUST THE RUIN IS A MAIN STREET AND THEN IT'S JUST YOU KNOW, IT'S RUNNING STRAIGHT TO EITHER BURN CHURCH OR OR WAY STOP AND YOU KNOW BUT I MEAN WE'RE JUST ADHERING TO WHAT THE REQUIREMENTS ARE IN TERMS OF WHAT THE PARKING IS GIVEN OUR YOU KNOW THE SORT OF BIZARRE POLYGON THAT IS THAT LOT THERE PARKING PARALLEL PARKING UP ONE BLOCK YOU KNOW AS WE ALL KNOW FIVE OR SIX BETWEEN THE CORNER OF PRITCHARD AND BRUIN KIND OF ACTUALLY RUNNING RIGHT IN FRONT OF COURT. ATKINS I THINK THERE'S LIKE FIVE I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY BUT THERE'S SEVERAL SO HOW THAT PLAYS OUT IF YOU COME IN TO THE SITE AND CAN'T FIND A PARKING SPACE AND YOU CAME BACK OUT I GUESS YOU COULD GO UP IN FRONT OF COURT ADKINS AND JUST PARK IN FRONT OF THE THOSE I DROVE BY THERE AND NO ONE EVER REALLY PARKED THERE BECAUSE THERE'S NOTHING GOING ON CURRENTLY I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE PROPOSED THINGS ARE IN THAT ADJACENT KNOW ACROSS THE STREET AND STUFF BUT SO I MEAN ME YOU COULD COME IN YOU CAN'T FIND A PLACE TO PARK YOU SHOULD BACK YOU HANG A RIGHT AND YOU JUST HIT ONE OF THOSE FIVE PARKING SPACES PARALLEL WALK AND COME OVER AND HAVE A DO NOT LEAVE. THAT WAS JUST WHAT I WAS THINKING WHEN I WAS SORT OF ASSESSING IT. I TOTALLY WHAT YOU'RE SAYING ABOUT THE YOU KNOW IN WORKING OUT WAS SAYING ABOUT FOUR SPOTS AND THIS AND THAT SO I MEAN IT ALL MAKES SENSE WE'RE JUST GOING WITH WHAT WE CAN DO BASED ON YOU KNOW WHAT YOU ALL ARE REQUIRING. DID YOU FOR CLARIFICATION THEY MENTIONED SOMETHING ABOUT TO CURB BUT I JUST WANT A CLARIFICATION THERE'S ONLY ONE WHEN THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT

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I WOULD JUST HATE FOR IT TO GET SO FAR DOWN THE LINE AND THEN IT HAD GET BIGGER AND THEN IT DOESN'T EVEN MAKE SENSE SURE WHAT YOU'RE ALLOWED TO I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY I KNOW THE STAIRS ARE GOING TO HAVE TO BE SOMEWHERE AND THERE'S A FEW OTHER THINGS YOU KNOW AND I DON'T KNOW WHERE THOSE ARE GOING TO GO. I KNOW WE TALKED ABOUT IT BUT I DON'T KNOW TODAY WHERE THOSE WOULD BE LOCATED BUT I KNOW THAT WOULD AFFECT I THINK THAT WE'RE GOING TO GO TO THE RIGHT OF THE LOWER VERTICAL PART OF THAT FOOTPRINT THAT.

THAT'S WHERE I THINK THAT HE WAS TALKING ABOUT I DON'T THINK IT WOULD BE AND I KNOW THAT PART'S NOT IN OUR PERVIOUS FORMS WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE. I'VE JUST CONCERNED THAT THE FOOTPRINT HAS TO GET BIGGER THAN IT AFFECTS PARKING. OH SURE.

OH, RIGHT, RIGHT, RIGHT. WELL, I MEAN ARE THE STAIRS CONSIDERED PART OF THAT FOOTPRINT THEN THAT SQUARE FOOTAGE DEPENDS ON HOW YOU DO THE STAIR.

I MEAN THAT'S OKAY. SO THAT'S THE OF LIKE JUST BE AWARE THAT IF SOMETHING CHANGES WITH THAT BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT TO FIT ALL THE STUFF IN THERE RIGHT YOU CAN'T PARK BUT ANYWAY SURE I MEAN I KNOW THAT WITH THE SQUARE FOOTAGE WE WE UNDERSTOOD ALL OF THAT WHEN WE CAME AFTER THIS LAST MEETING THAT WE HAD. SO I'M ASSUMING I DON'T KNOW FOR SURE BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE MORE DETAIL FOR YOU AND GUESS I JUST REITERATE KIND OF THING BECAUSE I WAS I THINK THE FIRST DRC MEETING OR ONE OF THE MEETINGS AND WE DID TALK EXTENSIVELY ABOUT THE WHOLE PARKING SITUATION AND WE WEREN'T REALLY HAPPY WITH THE TRAFFIC BACKUP THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN AND WE'RE GOING TO PARK ALL THE CARS AND I WAS JUST HOPING TO SEE LIKE CHARLIE SAID SOMETHING DIFFERENT TO SHOW THAT WE TRIED TO DO MORE.

YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? THEY'RE OPEN FOR THREE DAYS A WEEK BUT WE ALL KNOW THAT YOU KNOW, WE HAD SOMEONE DO A PARKING COUNT ON A RAINY TERRIBLE SATURDAY.

SO JUST I MEAN I'M SAYING WE ALL KNOW THAT THE BUSINESS IS GREAT AND IT'S AWESOME.

WE ALL LOVE IT ALL GO THERE AND WE WERE THERE ALL THE TIME BUT WE JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE FOR THE PUBLIC IT'S SAFE AND FOR THE TRAFFIC CONCERNS. THAT'S BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT I'M STRUGGLING. SURE. OKAY.

AND THERE WAS ANOTHER I KNOW LADY WASN'T IT YOU THAT SAID SOMETHING ABOUT THE PATIO AND SEATING AND AND OF COURSE IT SOUNDED LIKE WHEN DAN PRESENTED THAT IT DID INCLUDE THE PATIO SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE PATIO SQUARE FOOTAGE. THE THIRD IS JUST LIKE YOU'RE SAYING AND THEY DON'T HAVE MUCH ROOM FOR CARBON FOOTPRINTS IN ORDER TO LOOK IN A PARKING SPACE. OH, AND SO ARE WE. WE'RE SAYING THE PERVIOUS PATIO IS INCLUDED IN THE FOOTPRINT. IT INCLUDED YOUR SQUARE FOOTAGE COUNTS.

OKAY, SO I MEAN I WOULD SAY THEN WE WOULD JUST CUT THAT IN HALF OR WHATEVER.

I MEAN I DON'T KNOW I THINK HE WOULD WANT TO MAKE IT WORK SO WE WOULD JUST MAKE IT A SMALLER AREA OR. WHAT IS IT FOR? I THINK HE JUST WANTED SOME CHAIRS OUT THERE. SOMEBODY WANTED TO SIT AND HAVE SOME COFFEE .

WELL, I THINK HE'S GOING TO NEED THE SQUARE FOOTAGE FOR HIS BUILDING.

DON'T THINK THAT'S GOING TO WORK BECAUSE YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A BIGGER BUILDING THAN WHAT YOU'RE THINKING OKAY. I THINK THAT THAT THAT'S THAT WOULD BE LIKE A VIABLE AND I MEAN WE BE HAPPY TO GET RID OF THE PERVIOUS PATIO THEN MAYBE YOU CAN RELOOK AT SOME AREAS BY THE SHAPE OF YOUR BUILDING. OH YOU MEAN KNOCK OFF THE BOTTOM HALF OF IT? I DON'T I DON'T KNOW. I'M NOT IT FOR YOU BUT I'M JUST SAYING BY MOVING SOME OF THE FOOTAGE AROUND AND SHAPING IT DIFFERENTLY, YOU COULD LOOK AT DIFFERENT PARKING RIGHT. I DON'T I D'T KNOW THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE ANY MORE PARKING AND JUST BECAUSE IT'S WHAT YOU ALL REQUIRE AND SO I WOULD JUST SAY THE PARKING IS WHAT IT IS BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT THE MINIMUM REQUIREMENT IS. SO I MEAN YOU KNOW WHAT I LIKE THAT I UNDERSTAND THAT IT'S JUST HARD AND IT'S JUST HARD BECAUSE EVERYBODY DOES THE

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THAT'S KIND OF CONCERNING FOR ME. WELL, IT'S NOT THAT I'M NOT CONCERNED JUST THAT I AS I'M SAYING THE OH YOUR CLIENT. OH NO.

THINK HE'S DOING THE RIGHT THING. YOU KNOW WE'RE WE'RE MEETING THE REQUIREMENTS AND THEN I ALSO BELIEVE THAT AS A PATRON OF ANYTHING IF I CAN'T GET THERE IN THE LOT. I'M JUST GOING TO PARK SOMEWHERE CLOSE AND WALK WHICH IS WHAT BLUFFTON THIS WALKABLE COMMUNITY WE'RE TRYING TO BE THAT MORE SO TO ME YOU DON'T NEED TO BE LIKE RIGHT SLAMMED UP AGAINST THE DONUT SHOP ESPECIALLY IF YOU'RE EATING DONUTS PROBABLY TO WALK A LITTLE BIT YOU KNOW I MEAN I UNDERSTAND THAT THAT ADJACENT PARKING OF THE ROAD OR EVEN JUST ENCOURAGING MORE PEDESTRIAN I SAID THAT ALL THE TIME WE HAVE A WALKING PROBLEM, NOT A PARKING PROBLEM AND. I GET IT.

BUT I THINK THE SAME FACT IS WE'RE ON A BUSIER IS THE PROBLEM YEAH YEAH YEAH AND THAT'S WHY WE CAN ABOUT IT ALL NIGHT LONG SO LET'S MOVE ON SO OKAY SO I WOULD JUST SAY TO THAT POINT IF YOU HAVE A SHORT TERM VIEW OF IT YES THEY MAY UNDERSTAND HOW TO DEAL WITH PARKING BUT I THINK IN THE LONG TERM YOU MAY HAVE MORE PEDESTRIAN BIKE ACCESS.

THAT'S WHAT I WOULD SAY. SO I WOULD THANK YOU I WOULD I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE THE COMMENT WOULD ASK I'M STILL NOT SURE WHERE I'M LANDING ON THIS ONE WE GO FOR EMOTIONAL ABOUT BUT IF SOMEBODY MAKES A MOTION I THINK WE NEED TO PUT IN THERE SOMETHING TO THE EFFECT OF STAFF TO WORK WITH APPLICANT TO MAXIMIZE PARKING IN THE SPACE PROVIDED YEAH MAYBE STAFF CAN HELP THEM COME UP WITH AN IDEA IT TO LYDIA SHE'S BEEN WAITING ON PENS AND KNOW I GOT A QUESTION STAFF SO SHE CAN AVOID THE PARKING THE I KNOW WE CAN USE 25% SUBSTITUTE FOR A GOLF CART BUT DOES IT MATTER THAT NEITHER OF THE USERS WOULD THEN BE COMPLIANT LIKE THE RESTAURANT WILL NOT HAVE SIX LIKE 25% OF EIGHT THEY CAN HAVE TWO BUT THE RESTAURANT NEEDS SIX SPACES AND THE HOUSE NEEDS TWO OR THE AIRBNB NEEDS TWO. SO NEITHER OF THEM I MEAN YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN AS A TOTAL FOR PROJECT IT'S 25% BUT NEITHER USE IS MEETING THE 25%.

DOES THAT MATTER OR NO I DON'T THINK IT DOES. THE USE OF THE WHOLE SITE REQUIRES EIGHT SPACES SO DEPENDING ON THE TO USE IT BETTER THERE AND THEN 25% OF THE EIGHT REQUIRED SPACES IS 12 CARD THAT'S HOW WE INTERPRET IT.

IT'S NOT THE SAME PEOPLE BUT WELL IT'S JUST BECAUSE THE AIRBNB PROBABLY ISN'T GOING TO BE THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TWO CARS PRESUMABLY. SO THEN YOU HAVE THREE SPACES FOR CARS THAT AREN'T 80 WHICH IS THE CHALLENGE FOR ME AND CAN CLARIFY SOMETHING ON PARKING IS THAT PARKING ON THE FRONT IT GO ALL THE WAY TO THE SET BACK LINE.

I DON'T THINK THEY CAN SQUEEZE ANOTHER SPOT IN HERE THAT WHAT YOU'RE ASKING ADDITIONAL CRITERIA THERE DON'T THINK SO BECAUSE OF AND IT MAY BE BASED ON WE WE WE DEFER TO THE FIELD STANDARDS FOR THE PARKING AND THIS IS DOT ROAD AND I THINK YOU HAVE TO HAVE SO MUCH CLEARANCE AS YOU COME IN BEFORE YOUR FIRST PARKING SPOT AND YOU JUST COULDN'T FIT ONE MORE IN THERE AS SOMEONE BACKING OUT WELL SOMEBODY IS COMING IN HERE MOST DEFINITELY WOULD HAVE A ACTUALLY I JUST DIDN'T PUT A PARKING SPOT THERE BECAUSE I THINK BUMPED IT BACK TO THAT TEN FOOT BUFFER A LINE OR BUILD LINE THAT WAS THE ONLY REASON I HAD THAT DOWN THERE.

SO THERE IS TEN FEET THERE IT IS A SPOT IN THERE BUT IS THERE TURNING RADIUS? I MEAN YOU DO THAT IF IT IS A FIVE FOOT TURNING RADIUS ON THE RIGHT BUT YOU'RE SAYING IF YOU BUMP IT IT'S TOO CLOSE TO ME AND I DON'T KNOW SURE IF THIS IS TO MY OTHER COMMISSIONERS OR IF IT'S FROM STAFF BUT FROM DRC. WHAT WAS THE CONVERSATION REGARDING THE SHARED DRIVE ENTRY VERSUS THEIR OWN ENTRY AND KIND OF THE RATIONALE BETWEEN THOSE CHANGES? IT WAS ALONG THE LINES OF THEY DON'T HAVE CLEAR OWNERSHIP OR CLEAR AGREEMENT WITH THE PROPERTY OWNERS. RIGHT.

AND THE CURB CUT BELIEVE IS RIGHT THERE RIGHT NOW I CAN'T REMEMBER THERE'S NO THERE.

NOT YET. WE HAVE A TENTATIVE APPROVAL FOR BUT YOU KNOW, VERBAL KIND OF CASUAL EMAILS BUT NO NO. OKAY. IT'S REALLY HARD.

IT IS BUT YOU KNOW, IT'S REVIEWED BASIS BASED ON THE BECAUSE I KNOW THAT PERSPECTIVE LOOKING I ALWAYS LIKE TO LOOK AT YOUR RESUME IN CASE YOU HAD WORDS OF WISDOM DO YOU HAVE

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IT'S NOT IN A FACTORY I, I I THINK YOUR ONLY THOUGHT WOULD BE IS 310 3A4 WHICH HAS TO BE SERVED BY ADEQUATE PUBLIC SERVICES GENERALLY THAT IS GOING TO BE LIMITED TO UTILITIES PROVISIONS PROVIDED BY THE GOVERNMENT AND YOU KNOW THE TOWN OF BLUFFTON BEEF FOR JASPER WATER AND SEWER AUTHORITY FORM AND TRANSPORTATION IN THIS CASE WE HAVE NEVER USED BASED TO DENY AN APPLICATION BASED ON A PARKING LIMITATION BUT IF THAT IS SOMETHING THAT YOU ALL I'M LIKE WOW I WAS MORE CONCERNED ABOUT THE TRAFFIC IMPACT ON BRUIN AND THEN BACKING UP I MEAN WE ALREADY HAVE A PROBLEM WITH TRAFFIC AT CERTAIN TIMES AND I UNDERSTAND IT'S A CONDITIONAL BUSINESS BUT IF IT'S NOT JUST THAT BUSINESS MEAN YOU KNOW BUT THAT'S WHY I WAS ASKING. ABSOLUTELY, MADAM CHAIR AND IF YOU IF YOU ALL FEEL LIKE YOUR CONCERNS AND THE APPLICATION CAN'T MEET THAT PARTICULAR CRITERIA, THAT WOULD BE MY RECOMMENDATION TO LOOK UNDER THAT ONE FOR YOUR OR A BASIS FOR DENIAL IF THAT IS THE WAY THAT YOU'RE GOING. AND I'M JUST WONDERING READING AND TALKING ABOUT PROVIDING ANALYSIS AND MITIGATION OF IMPACT TRANSPORTATION UTILITIES AND COMMUTING SERVICES LIKE WHAT THEY THEY DON'T HAVE TO DO A IMPACT STUDY CURRENTLY. NO, MA'AM. AND IN THAT SECTION DEALS WITH THE PHASING PLAN IN PARTICULAR AND MY UNDERSTANDING IS THIS IS NOT GOING TO BE A PHASED DEVELOPMENT. THERE IS ALSO ANOTHER THIS IS A AS YOU KNOW IN THE HISTORIC DECISIONS ARE KIND OF A DUAL PROCESS YOU HAVE THE SITING WHICH IS WHAT PLANNING COMMISSION HERE STARTING TONIGHT THAT IS YOUR PRELIMINARY PLAN BUT THEY'RE ALSO GOING TO HAVE TO GO BEFORE THE HISTORIC HISTORIC REVIEW COMMISSION OR PRESERVATION OR REVIEW BOARD. ARE THEY FOR A COFA H.D.? SO ANYBODY WANT TO IT SHOULD BE NOTED THAT THE IS TALKING ABOUT THE SAFETY ISSUES FOR TRANSPORTATION THEY ARE REQUIRED TO RECEIVE AN ENCROACHMENT THROUGH NCDOT SO THEY ARE LOOKING AT IT FROM A SAFETY STANDPOINT. THEY DO HAVE CERTAIN CRITERIA THAT HAVE TO BE MET FOR A DISTANCING. I UNDERSTAND THE CONCERN OF , YOU KNOW, PEOPLE ENTERING AND EXITING THE SITE THAT'S WITH EVERY SITE THAT WE HAVE SO YOU KNOW TO JUST KEEP THAT INTO

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SO WE'LL MAKE A VOTE. WE'LL MAKE A VOTE ON PAPER AND ANY POST ONE ON ONE HERE IS OKAY SO THAT'S A THREE MEMBER ITEM NUMBER FOUR VENTURE AGREEABLE DEVELOPMENT

[IX.4. Venture at Okatie Bluffs (Development Plan Application]

THANK YOU MADAM CHAIR. THIS IS A PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR VENTURE AT OKATIE BLUFFS REQUEST BY WILLIE POWELL OF WARD EDWARDS ON BEHALF THE PROPERTY OWNER OKATIE BLUFFS OWNER LLC ADRIENNE DAN MILLER OR APPROVAL OF A PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN THE APPLICANT PROPOSES TO CONSTRUCT THE CONSTRUCTION OF A HUNDRED AND 50 UNIT MULTI-FAMILY DEVELOPMENT AND ASSOCIATED PARKING PROPERTY IS OWNED BY QUARTER PD AND CONSISTS OF APPROXIMATELY 22 ACRES LOCATED WITHIN THE PARCEL B1 MASTER PLAN AND A RECENTLY APPROVED MASTER PLAN THAT CAME BEFORE YOU JUST A FEW MONTHS AGO.

THIS IS A SUBJECT PROPERTY IT IS THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF WHERE GILBERT ROAD INTERSECTS WITH OKATIE AS HE WON 70. THIS IS THE SAME PROPERTY SUPERIMPOSED OVER AN AERIAL WAS THE ORIGINAL PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLANNING APPLICATION WAS SUBMITTED ON OCTOBER 12, 2023 AND INCLUDES SIX MULTIFAMILY BUILDINGS, FOUR GARAGE BUILDINGS, AMENITIES AND ASSOCIATED INFRASTRUCTURE. ON OCTOBER 31ST THE APPLICANT REQUESTED TO EXPAND THE SCOPE TO INCLUDE STOPPING UTILITIES TO THE SOUTHERN FUTURE DEVELOPMENT PARCEL EXTENDING UTILITIES AND THE MULTI-USE PATH THROUGH THE NORTHERN FUTURE DEVELOPMENT PARCEL AND CONSTRUCTING AN ADDITIONAL AC 170 ACCESS POINT NORTH OF THE SUBJECT PARCEL. AND I'VE GOT A SLIDE WHERE I'LL POINT THAT OUT TO YOU.

HERE'S A SECOND STAFF COMMENT ON THE PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN WERE REVIEWED AT THE NOVEMBER 15, 2023 DEVELOPMENT REVIEW COMMITTEE MEETING. THE APPLICANT A RESPONSE TO COMMENTS AND REVISED NARRATIVE SITE PLANS AND PRELIMINARY LANDSCAPE PLANS ON NOVEMBER 22ND, 2023. AND IF I DID NOT THIS IS THE WHEN THEY DECIDED TO REQUEST AN EXPANDING THE SCOPE WHICH WHICH RE APPROVED AND THIS WAS THE GRAPHIC THEY PROVIDED IN THE HERE AND I WON'T EVEN ATTEMPT THAT COLORS BUT THE MAIN GOAL HERE IS MORE MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENT THEY THEY BUILD THIS IN ITS ENTIRETY WHAT THEIR WHAT THEY EXPAND IT TO IS THIS CORNER THIS THIS IS GIVE IT ROAD COMING UP AN INTERSECTION WITH 170 THIS IS THE CORNER PARCEL AND THIS CORNER PARCEL WOULD HAVE UTILITY STUB TO IT THAT INCLUDES DRAINAGE COMING FROM I YOU WOULD CALL IT FROM THE FROM THE EAST AND THEN WATER AND SEWER INTO IT HERE.

SO IT'S JUST STUBS TO THIS PARCEL WHEN LOOK AT THE NORTH SIDE OF THIS PARCEL TO THE RIGHT OF THE SCREEN THIS IS THE COMMERCIAL PARCELS UM I BELIEVE IT'S ALL ONE PARCEL NOW THEY'RE PROPOSING IN THE MASTER PLAN THAT IT WOULD BE THREE PARCELS BUT THEY WOULD RUN THE WATER AND THE SEWER THE WAY ACROSS. THIS WOULD ACTUALLY BE AN ADDITIONAL ACCESS POINT ONTO 170 AND THAT'S THE AND ACTUALLY THE WATER AND SEWER WOULD COME BACK SO THAT IT COULD BE AVAILABLE TO THIS BACK PARCEL HERE. SO THAT WAS THE ADDITIONAL EXPANDED SCOPE THAT THEY THEY'VE REQUESTED EARLY ON AND WE APPROVED AS PART OF THEIR PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN APPLICATION HERE IS THE LAYOUT WE'VE WE HAVE SO THEY ARE PROPOSING A WRITE IN RIGHT OUT AT THIS LOCATION RIGHT IN RIGHT OUT OF THIS LOCATION WOULD ACCESS THE SITE THIS THIS DRIVE WOULD BE BUILT. THAT'S ONE THING I DID NOT MENTION. THIS DRIVE WOULD BE BUILT AS PART OF THE SCOPE WE'VE GOT DUMPSTER LOCATION IN THE BACK WE'VE GOT A PUMP STATION OVER HERE AND WE'VE GOT SIX UNITS A

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THAT'S THE SITE PLAN FROM THE DEVELOPMENT PLANS THAT MEANS THAT I CAN COME BACK TO IF YOU IF YOU HAVE ANY IT SHOULD BE NOTED THAT THE TO BOTH OF THE PARCELS THAT DO NOT INCLUDE THE MULTIFAMILY PARCELS THEY'RE DESIGNATED AS FUTURE DEVELOPMENT THE MASTER PLAN THAT WAS APPROVED SHOWED SHOWED A GENERIC LAYOUT ON THEM. NOTHING HAS BEEN APPROVED ON THOSE PARCELS THEY HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE FULL DEVELOPMENT PLANNING PROCESS THERE'S A WIDE RANGE OF COMMERCIAL USES THAT COULD BE ALLOWED ON EITHER OF THOSE PARCELS NORTH AND SOUTH OF THE APARTMENT COMPLEX PLANNING COMMISSION SHALL CONSIDER THE CRITERIA SET FORTH IN SECTION 310 THREE OF THE UDL . THESE ARE THE SIX CRITERIA PLANNING COMMISSION CAN APPROVE THE APPLICATION IS SUBMITTED APPROVE THE WITH CONDITIONS TABLE THE APPLICATION OR DENY THE APPLICATION SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT TOWN STAFF FINDS THAT THE REQUIREMENTS 310 THREE A OF THE UTO HAVE BEEN MET AND RECOMMENDS THAT THE COMMISSION APPROVE THE APPLICATION AS SUBMITTED. WE'VE WORKED A WHOLE BUNCH WITH THIS APPLICANT UM AND AND THEY'VE THEY'VE BEEN FAIRLY WELL TO WORK WITH THERE KEEP AN OPEN THEY'RE THERE THEY'RE GOING TO PROVIDE A TEN FOOT MULTI-USE PATH ACROSS THE FRONT OF THIS PROPERTY AND. UM AND SO OUR RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL OF A GOOD BACK AND FORTH IN MASSAGING THE PLANNING OF IT AND I WILL OPEN IT UP FOR ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE FOR ME OR THE APPLICANT THE APPLICANT LIKE TO SPEAK YOU'RE GOOD YOU WANT TO WAIT WILLIE SHAKING HIS HEAD BUT I DON'T KNOW YOU GUYS COME UP AND STATE YOUR NAME RIGHT I DEFINITELY NEED TO ADDRESS IT. YEAH UM SO UM I JUST WANTED TO MENTION ONE THING WHICH IS THAT THIS UM THE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT WE'RE EXTENDING TO THE FUTURE DEVELOPMENT AREA TO THE NORTH, UM, WE WITH STAFF AND WITH TOWN COUNCIL AND THEY KIND OF HAD REQUEST THAT YOU KNOW, THERE'S A NEED COMMERCIAL USES IN THIS AREA SO BY WE RE IT AND AGREED TO EXTEND THAT TO MAKE THOSE AREAS MORE UH PREPARED TOO SO THAT COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT AND THE USES TOWN COUNCIL REALLY WANTED TO SEE YOU CAN COME ON BOARD FASTER WAY OF US DOING THAT SO THAT'S KIND OF THE REASON WE DID THAT JUST I'D MENTION BUT OTHER THAN THAT ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE TO VERY MUCH THANK YOU WE DON'T HAVE ANY DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR REVOLVED AROUND THEM FOR A WHILE. OKAY. I THINK IT'S A GOOD LOOKING PROJECT. ONE THING IS I, I JUST I SEE ONE DUMPSTER FOR SIX BUILDINGS AND I KNOW THERE'S WHOEVER IS ONE AND TWO ARE GOING TO HAVE A LITTLE FRUSTRATION WALKING ALL THE WAY ACROSS SIDE TO THE OTHER TRASH WAY. I DON'T KNOW IF THE END OF THAT END PARK YOU KNOW THERE'S A CHANCE TO PUT SOMETHING OVER THERE THAT MIGHT BE ADVANTAGEOUS TO THE BIG ONE AND THEN WE HAD TO MOVE IT ONCE BUT THAT WAS ONE RIGHT? UM TO THAT POINT IT'LL BE IT'LL BE A LARGE COMPACTOR SO IT'LL HAVE A LOT OF CAPACITY AND THEN THE OTHER THING IS IS THAT WE OFFER A VALET TRASH SERVICE THAT'S DAILY SO UM, IT'S ACTUALLY PART OF THE SERVICES UM THE DEVELOPMENT THAT THE TRASH WOULD BE COLLECTED AND TRANSPORTED TO THAT AREA FOR THEM SO THAT YOU KNOW THAT KIND OF ALLEVIATES MAYBE SOME THINGS RELATED TO THAT. CAN WE GIVE ARE ADDRESS RECYCLING I LIVE ACROSS THE STREET AND WITHOUT LOOKING FOR ANY OTHER QUESTIONS I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION FOR I MOVED TO APPROVE THE VENTURE AT OKATIE BLUFFS PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN AS SUBMITTED.

YES. OKAY SECOND MICHAEL YOU ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ALL THOSE IN FAVOR I THANK YOU THAT THAT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS PARKWAYS MULTI-FAMILY DEVELOPMENT PLAN

[IX.5. Parkways Multi-family (Development Plan Amendment)]

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THAT IS WHY I GOT THE PLUMBER ON HERE IS A REQUEST BY JAKE REED ON BEHALF OF THE PROPERTY OWNER H DEVELOPMENT LLC FOR APPROVAL OF A PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN.

THE APPLICANT PROPOSES THE CONSTRUCTION OF A 200 UNIT MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENT AND ASSOCIATED PARKING AND INFRASTRUCTURE PROPERTY IS OWNED BY WALTER PEABODY AND CONSISTS OF APPROXIMATELY 20.06 ACRES LOCATED WITHIN THE HAMPTON LAKE MASTER PLAN AND HERE IS THE LOCATION OF THE PROPERTY JUST SOUTH OF BLUFFTON PARKWAY AND EAST OF THE MAIN ENTRANCE INTO HAMPTON LAKE SAME LOCATION ON AN AERIAL THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT INCLUDES FOUR THREE STORY MULTIFAMILY BUILDINGS CONTAINING A TOTAL OF 200 APARTMENT UNITS.

THE DEVELOPMENT ALSO INCLUDES A CLUBHOUSE POOL GARAGES AND STORAGE UNITS, A TRASH COMPACTOR MAINTENANCE AND THE REQUIRED 455 PARKING SPACES. THE NORFOLK COUNTY ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT HAS THE DEVELOPMENT PLANS, TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS AND TRAFFIC WARRANT ANALYSIS AND HAVE PROVIDED A RECOMMENDATION LETTER. THEY JUST PROVIDED THAT TO US TODAY I THINK AND WHEN YOU RECEIVED YOUR PACKET WE HAD SAID THAT WE THAT IT HAD BEEN TO THEM FOR REVIEW SO I CAN ELABORATE ON THAT ONCE GET THERE CONTINUING STAFF COMMENTS ON THE PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN WERE REVIEWED AT THE NOVEMBER 29, 2023 DEVELOPMENT REVIEW COMMITTEE MEETING. THE APPLICANT PROVIDED A RESPONSE TO COMMENTS CONCEPTUAL PLAN AND REVISED SITE PLANS IN RESPONSE TO COMMENTS PROVIDED TIME OF RECENT RENTAL NOTES THAT THE DEVELOPER WILL AGREE TO DESIGN PERMIT AND CONSTRUCTED FULL ACCESS PRIOR TO CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY. THE RESPONSE TO COMMENTS NOTES THAT THE DEVELOPER WILL INDEED RESTRICT AS A PERMANENT RESIDENTIAL THE 2.27 ACRE PARCEL SOUTH OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY THAT IS ALSO OWNED BY THE DEVELOPER. AND HERE IS THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN TO CLOSE THE HUMAN HERE SO I WISH YOU WELL WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE SECONDARY ACCESS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS THIS ACCESS HERE OFF OF BLUFFTON PARKWAY.

I SHOULD NOTE THAT THIS IS A 200 UNIT APARTMENT IF SOMEONE WERE TO COME IN UNDER OUR STUDIO ONE EVEN 11 RESIDENTIAL UNITS WHERE WE WOULD IN A SUBDIVISION WE WOULD WANT TWO POINTS OF ACCESS. UM, THE ACCESS THIS ACCESS HERE IS INTERNAL TO HAMPTON PARKWAY BUT. IT LEADS OUT TO THE ROUNDABOUT INTO SIGNALIZED INTERSECTION BLUFFTON PARKWAY WE HAVE FOUR BUILDINGS THERE IS A THERE'S ENTRANCE HERE THAT'S OPEN SPACE AND A GRASS GRASS FIRE LANE THE FIRE MARSHAL WAS CONCERNED ABOUT BEING ABLE FOR THE HOLES TO BE ABLE TO REACH ALL OF THE BUILDINGS. THEY RELOCATED THE BUILDINGS AND PROVIDED FIRE LINE ACCESS TO TO RESOLVE THAT COMMENT THAT COMMENT THESE ARE GARAGES AND EACH OF THE END PIECES OF EACH OF THE GARAGE IS ACTUALLY A STORAGE UNIT ON THE THERE IS THERE IS A MARGINAL ACCESS ROAD THAT THAT WHEN BUILT OUT IN FALL IT WOULD RUN PARALLEL WITH PARKWAY THAT ACCESS THAT THAT ACCESS ROAD THIS IS A CONTINUATION OF IT HERE IF I IF I HAD PULLED OUT VERSION YOU WOULD SEE WHERE IT'S BUILT IN SEVERAL DIFFERENT THE IDEA IS FOR IT TO CONNECT TO MINIMIZE THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC HAS TO GET ON BLUFFTON PARKWAY OR THAT THAT TRAFFIC CAN GET ON BLUFFTON AT A SIGNALIZED INTERSECTION SO THIS JUST IN THIS DEVELOPMENT IT'S A CONTINUATION OF THAT MARCH THIS ROAD AND IT'S RUNNING HERE AND IT TIES IN AND IT WILL CONTINUE WESTWARD AND OVER FUTURE DEVELOPMENT WOULD BE THIS CONTINUING EASTWARD. WE'VE GOT A COMPACT AND RECYCLING LOCATION HERE MAINTENANCE BUILDING THE 2.27 ACRE I BELIEVE IS WHAT I SAID THE PARCEL THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS RIGHT HERE. MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THAT THEY'RE WILLING TO RESTRICT THAT AS A RESIDENTIAL BUFFER. I DON'T THINK YOU CAN MAKE THAT A CONDITION OF APPROVAL IF IT'S

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CRITERIA AND THREE THEREFORE DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN SHOULD THE PLANNING COMMISSION CHOOSE TO APPROVE THE APPLICATION WITH TOWN STAFF FINDS THAT THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS SHOULD BE MET PRIOR TO FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN APPROVAL TO BE IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE REQUIREMENTS OF SECTION 310 3AI HAD TO TWO CONDITIONS LISTED HERE ONE WAS TO PROVIDE THIS ACCESS MANAGEMENT PLAN.

THE SECOND THAT SECONDARY ACCESS ROAD THAT I POINTED OUT THAT IT SHOULD SERVE IT SHOULD BE DESIGNED AND BUILT AS OF THIS DEVELOPMENT IT SHOULD SERVE AS THE CONSTRUCTION ENTRANCE AND PROVIDE A PERMANENT OPEN ACCESS. I'LL REREAD THAT THE SECOND THE SECOND CONDITION THAT I HAD WAS TO PROVIDE A WRITE IN WRITE OUT THAT THAT THAT ALSO SHOWN IN THE BLUFFTON PARKWAY ACCESS MANAGEMENT PLAN WHEN WE GOT FEEDBACK FROM COUNTY ENGINEERING THEY THEY SAID THAT THAT THE INTERPRETATION OF THAT WAS THAT WAS PROVIDING RIGHT IN RIGHT OUT AREAS THAT THAT MAY OR MAY NOT HAVE TO BE BUILT. IT WAS MORE MORE FOR AS DEVELOPERS SEE FIT AS AN OPPORTUNITY TO GET THE BLUFFTON PARKWAY AT A NON SIGNALIZED LOCATION BUT IT ISN'T IT ISN'T THE MANDATORY REQUIREMENT THAT THESE SIGNALIZED INTERSECTIONS WOULD BE IN OTHER WORDS IT'S MORE IMPORTANT FOR THEM TO HAVE ROUGHLY 1700 FEET APART OR THE SIGNALIZED INTERSECTIONS AND THEY SHOWED RIGHT IN RIGHT OUT IN BETWEEN THEM OPPORTUNITIES FOR A DEVELOPER TO UTILIZE THOSE AS ADDITIONAL ACCESS BUT AS RIGHT IN RIGHT OF ACCESS POINTS SO WE REMOVED THAT SECOND CRITERIA. WE JUST HAVE THE FIRST CRITERIA WHICH IS OH I'M SORRY WHAT'S THAT DISTANCE FOR THE GAP MIGHT BE BETWEEN SIGNALIZED LIGHTS.

LET ME JUMP BACK UP TO IT HAVE LITTLE APPROXIMATELY 2500 2500 FEET IF I IF I COULD JUST BECAUSE THIS IS THIS IS RELEVANT OKAY. SO THE COMMISSION KNOWS I WAS SITTING ON TOWN COUNCIL WHEN THIS ACCESS MANAGEMENT PLAN CAME BEFORE TOWN COUNCIL COUNTY COUNCIL TOWN STAFF AND COUNTY STAFF TO SPEAK TO THOSE RIGHT IN RIGHT OUTSIDE THE COUNTY AND THE TOWN WERE CONCERNED WITH HAVING STOPLIGHT AT LEAST 2500 FEET APART IN BUCKWALTER AND BLUFFTON PARKWAY AND THEY DREW THE RIGHT IN RIGHT OUT IN BETWEEN THE LIGHTS BECAUSE DIDN'T WANT ANYTHING CLOSER THAN A THOUSAND FEET TO THE LIGHTS AND THEY SAID AT THE TIME WE WANT THIS TO BE AS LIMITED ACCESS A ROADWAY BOTH BUCKWALTER AND BLUFFTON AS POSSIBLE WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT IF A DEVELOPER NEEDS TO GET IN OR OUT OF THEIR PROPERTY AND THE LIGHT CANNOT WORK FOR SOME REASON THAT THAT WOULD BE PUT IN THERE.

SO IT WAS DRAWN ON THERE BUT IT WAS A WAY AT LEAST BACK THEN IT WAS DISCUSSED IF WE COULD AVOID THOSE RIGHT AND RIGHT OUTSIDE WE WANT TO AVOID THOSE RIGHT AND RIGHT OUT AND THAT'S WHAT THE COUNTY SENT BACK IN THAT LETTER TO VERY MUCH IN LINE WITH WHAT YOU JUST SAW JUST AS SOMEBODY WHO WAS IN THE ROOM THEN I WANTED TO SHARE IT WITH WITH COMMISSIONER AND YOU KNOW, GO BACK TO THAT SLIDE, FINISH THE PRESENTATION. BUT WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS WHAT'S CALLED OUT HERE IS TEMPORARY HALL ROAD OPPOSITE OF THIS THE APARTMENTS THAT ARE GOING IN RIGHT NOW. SO SO THAT'S THAT FOUR WAY INTERSECTION WOULD BE THE APARTMENTS HAVE MODIFIED MEDIAN TO ALLOW FOR LEFT TURNS AND THIS WOULD BE SAME MODIFICATION FOR ACCESS INTO THIS SITE BUT WE ARE NOT SAYING THAT IT NEEDS TO BE SIGNALIZED AT THIS TIME

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MY NAME IS TIM BRADFORD CAROLINE ENGINEERING REPRESENTING THE THE DEVELOPMENT GUYS FROM BEING HERE JUST WANT TO SEE IF YOU GUYS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.

WE BROUGHT A TRAFFIC ENGINEER WE BROUGHT LANE PLANNER JOSH TAYLOR AND THEN WE GOT THE OWNERS JAKE AND JOHN REED TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. UM AS FOR THE WHOLE ROAD THE WHOLE IS CURRENTLY BEING DESIGNED AND UNDER CONSTRUCTION TO PROVIDE DIRT TO ALL THE PORTION TO THE EAST THAT'S A MULTI BUILDING COMMERCIAL PROJECT THAT'S WORKING IN THROUGH THE IAP PROCESS RIGHT NOW SO WE DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THIS TO THE SCOPE OF OUR PROJECT BUT FROM A TIMING STANDPOINT IT MAKES MORE SENSE TO GET SOME THE UTILITIES DESIGNED FOR THE COMMERCIAL SO AS THEY DO THEY CAN FIGURE OUT THEIR STORMWATER OR THEIR SEWER. UM AS WE DON'T NEED ANY OF THE UTILITIES WITH HAMPTON LAKES PROVIDING ALL THAT FROM US AND ALL WE NEED IS THE ACCESS SO YOU'RE SAYING TIMING WHY THE OTHER PROPERTY WILL GET DONE THAT ROAD WILL DONE BEFORE THIS WE JUST WANT WE JUST WANT TO LOOK YES. WE WOULD LIKE TO ADD IS ON A CONDITIONAL APPROVAL SO BEFORE WE TO SEE FOR THE BUILDINGS THAT ROAD WILL BE UP AND OPERATIONAL AND THAT'S GOING TO BE DONE DURING THE OTHER PROPERTIES. YES.

AS WE GET THE RAMP BEGINNING WE COULD BEGIN TO LOOK AT UTILITIES TO SERVE THOSE PARCELS. THE ALL RIGHT. WELL WE HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT SO LET'S GO AHEAD AND DO THOSE. SO BARBIERI THANK YOU. THERE'S A LITTLE BIT INSTANT REPLAY I'M BACK AGAIN YOUR NAME AGAIN YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD THREE 7114 COURT THE TRAFFIC THAT'S BEEN DISCUSSED TO ME IS A AND MAINLY WHEN IT COMES TO HAMPTON ROAD HAMPTON LAKE DRIVE THE REASON BEING IS 200 APARTMENTS LET'S SAY 100 PEOPLE LEAVE FOR WORK BETWEEN 630 AND 8:00. THAT IS NOT A HIGHWAY OF ANY KIND.

THAT IS A LITTLE RESIDENTIAL STREET. THAT'S AN ENORMOUS IMPACT ON THAT LITTLE AREA AND I THINK THAT IT WOULD BE BETTER IF THE TRAFFIC CAN BE DIVERTED NOW THERE WAS ALSO A PROPOSAL FOR ANOTHER COMPLEX DOWN CLOSER THE CORNER OF WALTER AND BLUFFTON PARKWAY. WELL, I'M NOT A ROAD ENGINEER. AN EYEBALL TEST WOULD SAY IF BOTH OF THOSE JUST THREE IN A ROAD INTERNALLY AND THEN TURN OFF AT LOCATIONS THAT WERE APART IT WOULD SERVE THE INTERESTS OF BOTH AND NOT HAVE A LOT OF I THE HIGHWAY THEY DON'T WANT A LOT OF EXITS AND ENTRANCES ALONG THE WAY SO I THINK THAT SHOULD BE CONSIDERED AS PART OF IT AND I THINK THERE SHOULD BE ADEQUATE BUFFERING AND FENCING BETWEEN THAT AND HAMPTON LINK DEVELOPMENT THANK YOU. IF YOU COULD CLOSE TO TEN AND I WON'T LOLLYGAG IN MY AREA ANYWAY SO MY NAME IS MICHAEL JOHN I LIVE IN COME UP CLOSER TO MIKE MY NAME IS KIM MICHAEL JOHN AND I LIVE AT 83/14 COURT AND THANK YOU FOR HEARING ME MADAM. I HAVE A COUPLE OF THINGS IN THERE NOT PERSONAL.

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I SEE THE RECYCLE BIN BEING RIGHT THERE NEXT TO THE WATER AND I SEE ALLIGATORS AND YOU KNOW WE ALL SEE THE ALLIGATORS THAT COME EVENTUALLY AND TO ME THAT RECYCLE BIN IS GOING TO A FEEDING PLACE FOR THEM WHICH ALSO OPENS UP A DANGER TO THE RESIDENTS OF THAT COMMUNITY.

I WAS WONDERING IT COULD BE MOVED ADJACENT TO WHERE THERE ISN'T ANY WATER AND THEREFORE THE ALLIGATORS WILL BE FED UNNATURALLY. THE OTHER THING AND THIS MAY BE A SORE SUBJECT BUT WE KNOW THAT THERE WAS A PRIOR PLAN BEFORE TO TURN THIS INTO A RESIDENTIAL AREA AND PART OF LAKE THE RESIDENTS SUPPORTING COURT ASKED THEM TO PUT A BUFFER IN PUT SOME SIDEWALKS IN AND THEY AT THAT TIME SAID NO THEY BEING THE REEDS I'M WONDERING IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT COULD BE RIVER ASSISTED AT THIS TIME WITH THE PROPER WHEN THE WORD I'M LOOKING FOR THE PROPER AREA BEING AVAILABLE IN BETWEEN THE TWO NEIGHBORHOODS OR THAT WOULDN'T BE THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO BE IN EXTENSION OF HAMPTON LAKE SO MAYBE WE COULD REVISIT IT BUT PUT SOME OF THESE THINGS IN THAT WE ASKED FOR TO BEGIN WITH THAT WE'RE STILL ASKING FOR AND IN THE REEDS DON'T HAVE A HISTORY OF BEING ACCOUNTABLE EXCUSE ME FOR THINGS AFTER THEY'VE BUILT THEM OUR CRYSTAL TO BE ONE OF THE SORE SUBJECT IN OUR COMMUNITY.

SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYTHING THAT CAN BE WRITTEN TO THE TEE IN THIS PROPOSAL IS COMPLETED BY YOU GUYS WHOMEVER . SO IF HE'S GOING TO GIVE US THE MAXIMUM NUMBER OF DISTANCE IN BETWEEN PLEASE HAVE A WRITTEN SOMEWHERE IF GOING TO GIVE US THE FENCING WHICH I THINK WE NEED PLEASE HAVE IT WRITTEN WRITTEN PLEASE BECAUSE IT WILL DISAPPEAR CHANGE THE OTHER THING I HAVE A LITTLE CONCERN ABOUT I GUESS THAT'S A WARNING IF IT SHORT WRAP IT UP ALL RIGHT I'LL DO A SHORT IS THE LIGHTING AND THE NOISE POLLUTION FROM THE APARTMENTS AND ADDRESSING THE WILDLIFE THAT'S IN HAMPTON LAKE AT THIS POINT THE WETLANDS AND THE WILDLIFE THAT RUN OFF FROM ALL OF THAT.

SO IN CONCLUSION I RESPECT THE READS AND THEIR VISIONS BUT I ALSO KNOW WE NEED TO BE VERY CAREFUL. THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

ALL RIGHT. I APPRECIATE AND WHEN WANT TO START WITH QUESTIONS FOR YOU STAFF OR THE APPLICANT YOU WISH YOU I SPEAK FOR THEM. YEAH YOU CAN GO AHEAD.

YOU WANT TO ANSWER SOME OF QUESTIONS THAT I HAD I JUST COULDN'T FIND AN ANSWER.

STATE YOUR NAME PLEASE. I'M JOHN REED 1138 MARTIN'S PLACE I AM DEVELOPER OF HAMPTON LIGHT AND A FEW OTHER COMMUNITIES BUT I JUST WANT TO SAY BEGINNING THE MIKE I APPRECIATE EVERYBODY BEING ABOUT IT. I THINK I'M HERE TO TELL TELL THEM THAT THEY WON. YOU KNOW, WHEN WE HAD A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO WE HAD 52 HOMES PLANNED THERE, I THOUGHT THAT WAS THE BEST PLAN. BUT THEY BROUGHT UP SOME GOOD THEY BROUGHT UP SOME GOOD GOOD SUGGESTIONS AND WHATEVER BECAUSE DURING THOSE 52 HOMES PUTTING THEM THERE WHILE LESS THAN 30 IT WAS GOING TO TAKE EVERY BIT OF THE BUFFER OUT.

WE DON'T HAVE TO HAVE A BUFFER AND BET YOU DAY BUT I SPENT 20 YEARS DEVELOPING I DIDN'T MEAN TO SPEND THAT LONG DEVELOPING HIM LATE WE KIND OF GOT SLOW DOWN WITH THE RECESSION AND DEPRESSION BUT ANYWAY I PUT A LOT OF MY HEART INTO DEVELOPING HAMPTON LAKE AND.

I THOUGHT THE 52 HOUSES WITH WITH THE RIGHT THING DO BUT WHEN I HEARD THEM THEY SAID THEY WANT IT THEY WANT BUILT THE ARBORS, THEY WANTED THE TREES THEY WANTED THE THE THE PRIVACY THEY WANTED THE WILDLIFE HABITAT THAT ACRE BUFFER COST A 17 LOTS A 34

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I MEAN I THINK THAT ANSWERED YOUR QUESTION AND HOPE YOU GO HOME TONIGHT.

HEY, WE WON. I THANK YOU. I THINK DID BUT WE ARE GOING TO BUILD SO WE'LL PUT IT IN WRITING LIKE YOU SAY A DEED RESTRICTED AND WE'RE ALSO PUTTING IN A CONDITION THAT WE BUILD THE INTERSTATE, WE BUILD THE SECOND INTERSECTION BEFORE WE HAVE A THEO CERTIFICATE MARKET, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. SO IF I HAVE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS I'LL TRY TO AND FROM BUT I DO THINK THERE ANY BECAUSE THEY WERE ASKING FOR FENCING OPPORTUNITIES WELL I THINK THAT SHOULD PROBABLY BE THE PLAY I MEAN WE'RE PUTTING A BUFFER UP PRETTY BIG BUFFER AND IT AND AND THE THIRD I'M WILLING TO GIVE THE WHOLE TWO ACRES TO THE PLAY BUT OKAY WHAT ABOUT THE OTHER THING SOMEONE HAD MENTIONED WAS ABOUT THE COMPACTOR AND TRASH AND ALL OF THAT NOW THAT WHOEVER SAID THAT MADE SENSE THAT IF IT'S NEAR THAT LAGOON IS IT GOING TO ATTRACT ANIMALS TO AREA OR ARE YOU GOING TO HAVE TO CONSIDER TRASH AND ACT? YEAH, YEAH. SOMETHING LIKE HAMPTON LIKE APARTMENTS OUT AT FIRST. YEAH YEAH. OKAY SO YOUR ADDRESS ARE PRETTY STANDARD AND POLICY. YEAH. SO YOU ARE HAVING THAT.

I'M NOT COMMITTED TO THAT I DON'T KNOW I'LL LET THE TECHNICAL KNOW I'VE BEEN COVERING QUESTION IT'S NOT IT'S A GOOD CONCERN JUST BECAUSE OF THE LOCATION OF IT THE WILDLIFE THAT WE'RE TRYING TO PROTECT. RIGHT, RIGHT.

YEAH. OKAY. AS FOR THE POND THAT'S RIGHT THERE NEXT TO THE ADJACENT TO THE COMPACTOR THAT'S WOULD BE A BAR RETENTION AREA AND DUE TO HIGH WATER TABLES AND EVERYTHING IT CAN ONLY BE I THINK I'VE GOT IT CURRENTLY DESIGNED AT EIGHT INCHES DEEP SO THAT WATER IS MEANT TO TO FILL UP AND THEN THE SPACE WAS MEANT TO BE A DRY POND SO I DON'T I DON'T YOU KNOW I'M NOT A WILDLIFE EXPERT MYSELF BUT YOU KNOW I DON'T SEE WATER SO I DON'T SEE ALLIGATORS STAYING IN THERE AND ALL THAT STUFF MAYBE NOT BLUE AND REALLY I'M JUST SAYING PEOPLE DON'T UNDERSTAND SO SO IT'S BOTH POND THE ONE ON THE EAST IN THE WEST OR BOTH BY A RETENTION IS WHAT THEIR PLAN TO BE IN THE ONE IN THE CENTER IS ACTUALLY IS GOING TO BE THE TRADITIONAL WET DETENTION POND THAT YOU'LL SEE AND I I CALLED RICHARDSON EARLIER TODAY BECAUSE I HAD SOME CONCERN AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU CAME UP WITH BUT BASICALLY TO BRING EVERYBODY UP TO SPEED BECAUSE COUNCIL HAS DIRECTED US TO NOT APPROVE DEVELOPMENTS OVER TEN UNITS WITHOUT TWO ENTRANCES IF WE ARE TO APPROVE IT TONIGHT I WAS SAYING WE ARE WE ARE BUT IF WE ARE TO APPROVE IT TONIGHT WE NEED TO SEE A CLEAR PATH TO

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THANK ON RECORDING SO EVERYBODY IS ON THIS PROPERTY COMMISSIONER COMMISSIONER WETMORE IT'S NOT THERE'S NOT REALLY SIMPLE SOLUTION THERE BUT WHAT I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT WE DO IF WE'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO APPROVE THIS WITH CONDITIONS I THINK THAT THE REQUIREMENT WOULD HAVE THE CONDITION WOULD HAVE TO BE THE CONSTRUCTION OF THAT SECONDARY ACCESS POINT TO THE STANDARDS BY BUS STAFF OR THE BEFORE SECOND ENTRANCE. THE CONCERN I THINK THAT WE WOULD HAVE IS A VAGUE A VAGUE STATEMENT WOULD ALLOW SOMETHING SOMETHING LIKE A CONSTRUCTION ROAD OR A I DON'T WANT SAY A TIMBER ROAD BECAUSE THAT'S NOT I DON'T THINK WHAT'S GOING TO BE INTENDED HERE BUT SOMETHING LESS THAN YOU WOULD EXPECT FOR APARTMENT COMPLEX OF THAT SIZE A DEVELOPMENT WITH 200 SOME ODD UNITS. SO THE WAY THAT I WOULD DO IT AS A IS A REQUIREMENT THAT PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF THE CEO THAT THE FOR THE I BELIEVE THAT ONE IS THE RIGHT IN RIGHT OUT OR IS THAT THE FULL INTERSECTION WILL THAT THE FULL INTERSECTION BE CONSTRUCTED AND PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF THE CFA AND BE CONSTRUCTED TO THE STANDARDS REQUIRED BY TOWN STAFF OR THE 200 UNIT PROJECT GUIDE.

SIMILARLY I THINK IN JUST TRYING TO WORK THROUGH THE TO THE CONDITIONS THAT THE APPLICANT HAS GRACIOUSLY TO COMPLY WITH THERE'S THAT ONE AND THEN AS TO THE BUFFER PARCEL BECAUSE I BELIEVE THOSE ARE OWNED BY THE SAME ENTITY AS WELL THERE WOULD NEED TO BE A DOCUMENT OF RECORD RECORDED RESERVING THAT AND ITS VEGETATIVE STATE SO EVEN YOU KNOW MINOR MODIFICATIONS FOR ESSENTIALLY NECESSARY UTILITIES TO SERVICE THE 200 UNIT DEVELOPMENT WITH THAT BEING RECORDED PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF THE C AND WITH THOSE RIGHTS HELD BY SOMEONE OTHER THAN OWNER OF THAT 2.1 ACRE PARCEL SO LONG AS IT'S THE SAME SAME PROPERTY OWNER SO THEY CAN'T JUST AMEND THEM LATER. I'M NOT SURE IF THEY'VE TALKED TO THE HAMPTON LIBRARY ASSOCIATION ABOUT THE DONATION OF THAT PARCEL.

IT'S OUTSIDE THE PURVIEW OF THIS COMMITTEE AT THE MOMENT BUT IT'S JUST ABOUT MAKING SURE THAT THOSE DOCUMENTS ARE OF RECORD AND PROVIDED TO STAFF FOR FULL REVIEW PRIOR TO THE CFA AND THAT THAT CAN BE WORKED BETWEEN NOW AND FINAL BRC I WOULD IMAGINE I BELIEVE SO AGAIN IF I'M NOT TRYING TO SPEAK FOR OF US JUST IF THAT'S THE PATH WE GO THAT'S WHAT WE'D HAVE TO WE CAN PROTECT THAT LAND AND WE COULD REQUIRE THAT ENTRANCE AND I BELIEVE THAT AN APPLICANT MAY HAVE SOME COMMENTS OR SOME SUGGESTIONS ON HOW TO MOVE THAT THROUGH OR EXPEDITE THAT TO GIVE STAFF THE OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW IT BEFORE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN.

SO IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT THEY'RE STAFF TRYING TO REVIEW WHILE THEY ARE DOING.

THEY'RE TRYING TO GET THE CEO AS WELL. SO THERE AND I WOULD JUST I WOULD JUST ON ONE OTHER SUBJECT AND IT'S NOT NECESSARILY INVOLVING YOU JUST TO THE COMMISSION AND TO STAFF ONE OF THE CONCERNS I HAVE OR SOME OF THE DEVELOPMENTS THAT WE'VE APPROVED IN THE THAT IF ALL OF A SUDDEN BECOME GATED FULLY GATED COMMUNITIES I THINK AND I DON'T KNOW THE EXACT DIRECTION TO GO ON THIS BUT I THINK WE MIGHT WANT TO HAVE A CONDITION A DIRECTION TO STAFF THAT IT MUST NOT BE COMPLETELY GATED. I MEAN I DON'T THINK WE HAVE A PROBLEM IF IT'S GATED BUT THERE HAS TO BE A THOROUGH FAIR SOMEWHERE THROUGHOUT THE OF THAT. YES, THAT'S BEEN DISCUSSED AND WE'VE DISCUSSED THAT WITH THE APPLICANT AS WELL. SO YEAH WE'VE MADE THOSE COMMENTS THAT IT HAD SHOWN THERE WAS EMERGENCY ACCESS BUT THE THAT WAS FOR WITH THE APPLICANT JUST SHOWING ACCESS TO HALL ROAD BUT SINCE THIS IS A FULL MOVEMENT AT THAT INTERSECTION WILL BE OPENED AND I UNDERSTAND YOUR PARTIAL GATING OF CERTAIN AREAS MAYBE THAT'S A POSSIBILITY IF THEY SO

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NO, NO. SO FROM A DEVELOPMENT STANDPOINT AGAIN YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE AN ACCESS POINT HERE AND THEN THE ROAD WILL THIS PORTION OF ROADWAY WILL THEN COME UP TO THE PARKWAY SO THERE WILL BE A ROAD THAT WILL KIND OF COME THROUGH THROUGH THIS DEVELOPMENT AND I'M KIND OF JUST TAKING DAN'S HERE. SO THE THE SITE THAT IS IN QUESTION IS THE AREA RUNNING ALL THE WAY TO BUCKWALTER PARKWAY AND AS AS MR. REID SAID AND WE HAVE THE INTENT TO ANNEX AND TOWN COUNCIL HAS MOVED FORWARD SO THE APPLICANT HAS PORTIONS THIS WILL ALL COME TO YOU VERY SOON PORTIONS OF THE GRANDIOSE DEVELOPMENT THAT THEY'RE LOOKING TO INTO THE TOWN AS THEY START TO MOVE FORWARD WITH A LARGER MASTER PLAN FOR THE AREAS TO THE EAST OF THIS PROPERTY. NO NEW RESIDENTIAL ON THAT.

YES, THAT IS CORRECT. THERE'S NO NEW RESIDENTIAL WITH THE ANNEXATION REQUEST.

SO JUST FOR MY OWN CLARITY WHEN THEY SUBMIT FOR THE STORMWATER IT WILL HAVE THE CORRECT ELEMENT OF DISTURBANCE THAT INCLUDES THE ACCESS THE LIMITS OF DISTURBANCE JUST WHERE WHERE IT IS GOING TO BE IT'S ALMOST A BLOCK LEVEL AND THEN AS THEY MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN WHERE YOUR CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS GET TO THAT FINAL 100% REVIEW RIGHT NOW IT'S ONLY THAT, YOU KNOW, 6060 5%. SO THEY WILL HAVE THE TIME TO BE ABLE TO FULLY DESIGN THE ACCESS ROAD AND CONNECTION TO THE PARKWAY AND BEFORE WE SEE IT YEAH AND AND WE ALSO SAID OR ONE OF THE CONDITIONS WOULD BE YOU KNOW THEY COULDN'T HAVE CO THAT ROAD'S NOT DONE. YES SO NO MATTER WHAT CAN'T BE OPERATIONAL UNTIL THAT REDSTONE YES AS I MAKE SURE IT'S DONE TO THE RIGHT DESIGN THAT'S ALL WELL IT'LL GO THROUGH YEAH KEVIN I'LL MAKE SURE YES AND HEATHER AND EVERYONE ELSE HEATHER SCARES ME MORE THAN KEVIN . YOU SHOULD. OKAY.

I'M CURIOUS IF THE SORRY. NO, I WILL ADDRESS THE QUESTIONS THAT I'VE EVER HEARD OUT OF THE DEAF DEFINITELY IS THE PROBABLY THE ONLY CONCERN THAT I HAVE ON RIGHT NOW.

THANK YOU. NATURALLY I JUST WANT TO FOLLOW UP ON SOMETHING YOU BROUGHT UP EARLIER WITH THE APPLICANT BE WILLING TO MOVE THE DUMPSTER ENCLOSURE FURTHER AWAY FROM THE HAMPTON LAKE PROPER AREA UP TOWARDS BUCKWALTER PARK OR BLUFFTON MORE AND YOU SEE WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT JOSH JUST MOVE IT UP MORE TOWARDS BLUFFTON OR BLUFFTON PARKWAY SORRY THIS IS I'M JOSH TAYLOR WITH JAKE TAYLOR ASSOCIATES IT'S A RED ROOM AND EVENING

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YEAH THERE'S ONE THERE TIGHT DOORS AND YOU JUST OPEN UP THE DOOR OPEN PUT YOUR STUFF IN, CLOSE IT, MAKE IT AUTOMATICALLY AND THE CONCIERGE PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE DOING I WAS GOING TO SAY IT'S JUST LEFT UP TO THE RESIDENTS. YOU'RE GOING TO GET TRASH LEFT OUT. YOU KNOW ANY CONCIERGE THAT YOU THANKS IF I MAY THAT'S AND I THINK YOU NECESSARILY NEED TO DO THOSE THINGS YOU DON'T NECESSARILY NEED TO TAKE THAT AS A CONDITION WE CAN JUST FROM OUR STAFF WE CAN WORK WITH THE APPLICANT ON THAT.

YOU KNOW, JUST FOR THE PUBLIC COMMENT THAT WE DID HAVE, CAN YOU TALK US THROUGH WHAT I THINK WE'RE PRETTY MUCH AS FAR FORWARD AS WE'RE ALLOWED TO BE ON THE SITE BUT CAN YOU JUST WALK US THROUGH WHAT THAT BUFFER IS BETWEEN WHAT THE KIND OF SITE CONSTRAINTS ARE IN TERMS OF WHERE THE BUILDINGS NEED TO BE AND WHAT THOSE SETBACKS AND BUFFERS ARE? CLARIFICATION FROM COMMENT YEAH I THINK YOU OWE THE ONE WITH THE POWER LINES I HAD MENTIONED THAT AREA. YEAH THIS THIS SHOWS THE OVERHEAD POWER LINES WHAT IT DOESN'T SHOWS THE EASEMENT LINE AND THE EASEMENT LINE RUNS ROUGHLY RIGHT ACROSS RIGHT TEN FEET AT THE MOST FROM THE FROM THE BUILDING LINE I THINK THEY COULD PROBABLY DO IS ACTUALLY THERE A TWEET FROM THE POWER LINE FROM THE FROM THE POWER LINE FROM THE POWER LINE TO THE OUTSIDE OF THE EASEMENT, WHAT WERE FURTHER THINGS SO EVERYBODY CAN HEAR YOU SO WHAT HAVE RIGHT NOW IS WE HAVE FOUR CONSTRUCT ABILITY THE WE'VE WE'VE PUT THE BUILDINGS AS CLOSE AS WE CAN TO THE POWER LINES FOR PEOPLE ACTUALLY ACTUALLY PHYSICALLY BUILD THEM FOR US REGULATIONS AND EVERYTHING SO WE CAN'T REALLY PUSH THE BUILDINGS ANY FURTHER TO THE NORTH. IT IT'S WELL OUTSIDE THE EASEMENT BUT IT'S JUST DUE TO THOSE HIGH VOLTAGE POWER LINES AND HAVING STUFF YOU KNOW HAVING SOMEONE ON SCAFFOLDING NEXT TO THE POWER LINES PROBABLY VERY GOOD. IT'S NOT RECOMMENDED IS IT? AND CAN YOU JUST CONFIRM THE BOTTOM SET BACK BY THE GARAGES JUST FOR THE RECORD THERE IS OR THERE IS NONE THERE'S ARE YOU OFF OF THE PROPERTY. YES.

IF I WERE TO SAY TEN FEET FROM THE GARAGES ARE ABOUT TEN FEET TO THE POVERTY LINE AND THEN YOU GOT YEAH. THAT MEANDERING KIND OF BUFFER BUFFER IS MINIMUM 50 FEET BECAUSE THE ASSEMBLY FIELD IS 1280 FEET LONG BUT 50 TO 70 FEET AND THEN YOU'VE GOT A SETBACK. YEAH. AND WHAT WERE THE NUMBER OF RESIDENTIAL UNITS COULD HAVE CONVERTED TO ON THIS PROPERTY? WASN'T IT ABOUT 250 INITIALLY TO PUT IT IN YOUR BUILDING 200 IN THIS PLAN 16 YEAH WE HAD THE ABILITY TO CONTINUE THE ZONING IS 16 UNITS PER ACRE AND YOU WANT TO STEP UP AND SPEAK THE MARKET PLACE DIFFERENT IT'S ACTUALLY 16 DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE IS WHAT WE CAN DO SO ON A ACRE SITE EVERY 300 UNITS WERE AT 200 RIGHT AND THE OTHER ISSUES AND WANTS TO DISCUSS BECAUSE THE MONITORS KEEP GOING UP IT BE TIME OKAY I HAVE A MOTION 32 I'M WORKING ON A MOTION FOR YOU YOU'RE WORKING ON A MOTION IF YOU WOULD THAT I CAN PRESENT BASED ON THE FEEDBACK THAT I'VE HEARD AND THAT'S A GO FOR IT BUT IF YOU'RE JUST KIND OF THINKING ABOUT A THREE WHAT DOES A 34 WELL WELL HE'S DOING THAT I DO WANT TO MENTION THING BECAUSE THIS QUESTION HAS COME UP BEFORE AND I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND CORRECTLY AND WE ALL DO.

FOR EXAMPLE HAMPTON LAKE PROPER WAS PERMITTED FOR 1450 APPROXIMATELY UNITS 1350 GOT BUILT THERE. THOSE EXTRA 100 UNITS COULD TECHNICALLY BE MOVED SOMEWHERE

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SO MR. READ THE READ GROUP OWNS AN ALLOTMENT OF ARDEN USE AND HE HAS THE ABILITY TO TO MOVE THOSE ALREADY USE ANYWHERE HE WANTS TO IN THE BUCKWALTER DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT AS WELL AS COMMERCIAL ACREAGE SO THE LAND USE SHOWN ON THERE AS THAT NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL SO HE HAS AN OF RIGHTS HE COULD HAVE USED HIS DEVELOPMENT RIGHTS ON THAT PROPERTY OR HE COULD USED HIS RESIDENTIAL DWELLING UNITS ON THAT PROPERTY. THERE'S NO THE CONVERSIONS HAVE ALREADY HAPPENED SO THERE'S NO MORE CONVERSIONS OF COMMERCIAL RIGHTS TO RESIDENTIAL RIGHTS THAT ARE ALLOWED IN THE BUCKWALTER BEAUTY. SO HE HAS A BANK, HE HAS A BANK OF UNITS AND ALL THE PROPERTIES THAT HE OWNS AND THEN HE CAN JUST HE CAN MOVE THEM TO THESE PROPERTIES HOW HE SO CHOOSES AND IN THIS CASE HE'S TAKING THOSE DWELLING UNITS THAT HE HAS IN HIS BANK AND HE'S APPLYING THEM TO THIS PROPERTY. SO DOES THAT HELP? YEAH, IT'S COMPLICATED AND HE COULD DONE UP TO 300 AND HE DID 200 POTENTIALLY.

YES THEORETICALLY. THEORETICALLY, YES. AND IT COULD BE COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS THAT WERE COULD HAVE BEEN COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS. WE HAD NUMEROUS MEETINGS OF INDIVIDUALS LOOKING SPECULATING ON THINGS. SO ARE YOU READY THINK THAT OKAY I DON'T HAVE TIME BUT I FEEL THAT YOU HAVE PLENTY OF PLENTY OF TIME THANK YOU.

WELL THANKS MADAM. JUST BE CLEAR THE TWO CONDITIONS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT HAVE TO DO WITH THE FOR THE FULL INTERSECTION, THE SECONDARY MEANS OF ACCESS AND THEN THE SECOND IS TAKE THIS OFF. SO TO WE'LL JUST LEAVE THEM AND THE SECOND ONE HAS TO DO WITH THE 2.1 ACRE PARCEL TO THE SOUTH AND RETAINING A BUFFER ON THAT THROUGH DEED RESTRICTION OR CONVEYING AS OPEN SPACE TO THE THE ASSOCIATION BEFORE YOU GO FURTHER. YES, MA'AM. AND NOT EVEN BE PART OF I MEAN THIS APPLICATION IS BECAUSE THE DIFFERENCE IT'S NOT A DIFFERENT PROPERTY.

IT'S A DIFFERENT PROPERTY. SO BOTH OF THESE CONDITIONS ARE BEING IMPOSED AS THEY ARE ON THEY ARE ON DIFFERENT THE DIFFERENT PARCELS THAT ARE NOT THE SUBJECT OF THIS APPLICATION. HOWEVER THE APPLICANT IS ON RECORD SAYING AS THE PROPERTY OWNER OF THOSE TWO ADJACENT PARCELS THAT THEY TAKE BUT I'M JUST SAYING HE DIDN'T HAVE TO DO THAT BECAUSE THAT'S NOT PART OF THIS PROPERTY. I THINK THE APPLICANT HAS BEEN VERY CLEAR HE'S UNDER NO OBLIGATION TO DO ANYTHING AS TO THE 2.1 ACRE PORTION.

I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WAS CLEAR THAT THE APPLICANT HAS VOLUNTARILY TO THESE NOT NECESSARILY PRECISELY MY WORDING THERE MAY BE AN OBJECTION THERE IF IT'S IT'S OF SOME CONCERN BUT I BELIEVE THIS IS CONSISTENT WITH WHAT I'VE HEARD TONIGHT.

SO MY RECOMMENDED RECOMMEND A MOTION WOULD BE TO APPROVE WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS FIRST THAT PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF ANY SEO ON THE PROPERTY THAT A FULL ACCESS INTERSECTION AT THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF THE SITE WHERE THE TEMPORARY HALL ROAD CURRENTLY INTERSECTS WITH THE PROPERTY BE CONSTRUCTED TO THE STANDARDS REQUIRED BY STAFF IN ANY AND ALL LOCAL OR STATE STANDARDS AND TO DO THAT PRIOR TO THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN APPROVAL APPLICANT WILL SUBJECT THE 2.1 ACRE PARCEL LOCATED TO THE SOUTH THE SITE AND RESTRICTIVE COVENANTS DESIGNED TO LIMIT ANY DISTURBANCE AND PRESERVE THE EXISTING VEGETATION VEGETATION TO THE MAXIMUM POSSIBLE PROVIDE THE SAME FOR STAFF REVIEW AND APPROVAL SUBJECT TO REASONABLE MODIFICATIONS FOR UTILITIES. I HAVE A QUESTION HERE DO WE NEED I KNOW THAT THEY NEED THE ROAD BY THEO BUT DO WE NOT NEED TO SEE THAT DESIGN AS PART OF FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN OR ARE WE SAYING IT WILL BE AFTER THAT IT SHOULD COME THROUGH ONE OF THE DEVELOPMENT PLANS I MAKE THAT BECAUSE OF THE CONDITION INSTEAD OF IT JUST THE CONDITION ONLY BEING THAT IT'S CONSTRUCTED BY THEN DOESN'T NEED TO BE PART THE BUT IT MIGHT BE PART OF THE OTHER PROPERTY RIGHT. I THINK I THINK THE CONCERN FROM FROM WHAT I'M HEARING TONIGHT IF IT WAS NOT A CONDITION OF SEO IN THEORY IT COULD BE THAT MASTER PLAN COULD JUST HAVE A TERMINUS RIGHT THERE OR THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN COULD HAVE THE TERMINUS WITHOUT

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OKAY. YES. SO MOVED I HAVE A SECOND.

OKAY. DO WE HAVE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ALL THOSE IN FAVOR ARE ANY OPPOSED? NO. OKAY.

THANK YOU. APPRECIATE ALL ON THAT. DO WE HAVE FURTHER DISCUSSION? YOU MAKE A MOTION FOR A SECOND. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THAT? NO ALL IN FAVOR I YOU JUST JUST

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