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. CALL THIS MEETING OF THE COMMUNITY SERVICE AND PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE MEETING TO ORDER. IT'S MONDAY, DECEMBER 18TH, 10 A.M. AND IF WE CAN AUTHORIZE TO SAY THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE I BELIEVE THIS THE AND STATES OF AMERICA AND THE REPUBLIC AS ONE NATION WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
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THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. AND CAN WE GET A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES OF NOVEMBER 13TH, 2023. OKAY.ALL IN FAVOR I AND I'D ALSO JUST LIKE TO MAKE A NOTE THAT COUNCILMAN HAS AGREED TO JOINING US VIA ZOOM AND I'D LIKE WELCOME HER OH YOU'RE FEELING A LITTLE BIT BETTER VERY SOON BUT THANK YOU FOR JOINING US. OKAY.
AND ARE THERE ANY PRESENTATIONS OR RECOGNITIONS TODAY AND ARE THERE ANY APPEARANCE BY
[7.a. Consideration of a Resolution Adopting the Town of Hilton Head Island Beach Parking Fee Schedule - Josh Gruber, Deputy Town Manager]
CITIZENS I MEAN AND SO WE HAVE NEW BUSINESS CONSIDERATION OF A RESOLUTION ADOPTED IN THE TOWN OF HILTON HEAD ISLAND BEACH THAT IS BEACH PARKING FEE SCHEDULE AND JOSH PUGA, THE DEPUTY TOWN MANAGER IS HERE TO MAKE A PRESENTATION US. GOOD MORNING.GOOD MORNING. LET'S DOVE RIGHT IN HERE. SO WHAT WANTED TO ACCOMPLISH TODAY IS WE WANTED TO CONTINUE OUR DISCUSSION OF IMPLEMENTING A BEACH PARKING MANAGEMENT PROGRAM. AND JUST BY WAY OF SOME VERY BRIEF BACKGROUND, THIS PROJECT STARTED A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO INITIALLY HIRING THE SERVICES OF AN OUTSIDE CONSULTANT WHO FOCUSED ON THE AREA OF PARKING MANAGEMENT. THEY PUT TOGETHER A REPORT FOR US THAT LOOKED AT A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT AREAS AND THEN ULTIMATELY RECOMMENDED A PATH FORWARD TOWARDS IMPLEMENTING MORE OF A REGULATORY SYSTEM FOR OUR BEACH PARKING AREAS AND.
SO THAT'S KIND OF THE PATH THAT WE HAVE BEEN ON FOR THE PAST COUPLE OF YEARS.
MOST RECENTLY THERE WAS AN ORDINANCE THAT MCKENDRY RAFTED FOR US THAT BASICALLY SET FORTH THE THE OUTLINE OF THE BACKBONE OF THE MANAGEMENT PROGRAM FROM A CODE REGULATORY STANDPOINT.
WHAT WE HAVE BEEN ASKED TO ATTACH TO THAT IS SOME OF THE MORE SPECIFIC PROGRAM DETAILS THAT ARE GOING TO DEAL WITH THE QUESTIONS THAT WE'RE GOING TO DISCUSS TODAY.
AND SO THERE ARE ESSENTIALLY FOUR DIFFERENT AREAS WHERE WE'RE GOING TO NEED SOME POLICY DIRECTION FROM COMMITTEE SO THAT WE CAN PUT THAT INFORMATION TOGETHER AND THEN ULTIMATELY BRING IT BEFORE TOWN COUNCIL FOR FINAL DISCUSSION APPROVAL.
THE FIRST QUESTION THAT WE'RE GOING TO DISCUSS TODAY THE ADOPTION OF AN HOURLY RATE FOR BEACH PARKING AND WHAT WE WERE ASKED TO DO AS STAFF IS A COUPLE OF THINGS ONE.
WE WERE ASKED TO GO GATHER DATA IN TERMS OF THE EXISTING DEMAND ON PARKING AND SO IN THE BACKUP MATERIALS THAT WERE PROVIDED FOR TODAY'S MEETING WE HAVE SOME OF THAT DATA THAT WE WERE ABLE TO GATHER THIS PAST SUMMER. WE'VE USED THAT DATA TO HELP EXTRAPOLATE IT A LITTLE BIT BECAUSE ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS WE WERE ASKED TO DO IS TO PROVIDE WHAT WOULD BE A BREAK EVEN FEE THAT COULD BE CHARGED WHERE THE BEACH PROGRAM WOULD ULTIMATELY SUPPORT ITSELF AND WOULD NOT NEED FUNDING FROM OTHER SOURCES IN WHICH TO PAY FOR THE EXPENSES DIRECTLY RELATED TO PROVIDING THE PROGRAM.
SO I'M GOING TO GO THROUGH TODAY KIND OF WHAT THE UNDERLYING ASSUMPTIONS ARE THAT LED US TO THIS BREAK EVEN RATE AND THEN WE'RE ALSO GOING TO DISCUSS OTHER OPTIONS BECAUSE ULTIMATELY AT THE END OF THE DAY WE CAN GO LOW, WE CAN GO HIGHER, WE CAN GO IN THE MIDDLE. BUT WE HAVE A LOT OF FLEXIBILITY IN DETERMINING RATE WE WANT TO CHARGE AT WHAT LOCATION AND AT WHAT TIME OF . THOSE ARE ALL VARIABLES THAT WE'RE FORTUNATE ENOUGH THAT WE CAN HAVE FLEXIBILITY IN TERM IN TERMS OF DISTINGUISHING THE SECOND PART THAT WE'RE GOING TO DISCUSS AND IT'S REALLY KIND OF WITHIN THE FIRST ONE IS THE QUESTION ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT WE WANT TO ESTABLISH A MAXIMUM DAILY RATE IN TERMS OF SURVEYING A NUMBER OF OTHER JURISDICTIONS AND LOOKING AT KIND OF HOW THEY THEIR PARKING PROGRAMS. WE FOUND THAT A SIGNIFICANT MAJORITY OF THEM NOT ONLY IMPOSED AN HOURLY RATE BUT THEY ALSO IMPOSED A CAPPED DAILY RATE.
AND SO THAT'S ANOTHER QUESTION IN TERMS OF POLICY IS DO WE WANT TO ESTABLISH AN HOURLY RATE AND A CAPPED RATE FOR ANY PARTICULAR IN ANY PARTICULAR DAY? THE THIRD QUESTION WAS THE IMPLEMENTATION OR PROVIDING FOR EMPLOYEE PARKING AT THE LIGNE
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BEACH PARK? I CAN TELL YOU THAT'S BEEN ONE OF THE BIGGEST QUESTIONS THAT HAS DISCUSSED THROUGHOUT THIS ENTIRE PROCESS IS ARE WE GOING TO ADDRESS THEM? AND SO THE DATA THAT WE ARE GOING TO DISCUSS TODAY IS THE DATA THAT WE HAVE GATHERED WHICH REALLY TRIES TO FRAME THE SCOPE OF THE SITUATION. WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS WE'VE THE NUMBER OF BUSINESSES THAT ARE LOCATED WITHIN A CERTAIN RADIUS OF A FIXED POINT WHICH IN THIS CASE IS THE CLEANING BEACH PARK AND THEN LOOKING AT KNOWING INFORMATION, WHAT OPTIONS DO WE HAVE AVAILABLE IN TERMS OF STRUCTURING SOME KIND OF PROVISION TO PROVIDE FOR EMPLOYEE PARKING AND AGAIN IN SURVEYING OTHER JURISDICTIONS WE FOUND THAT THERE'S A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT WAYS THAT THIS CAN BE ADDRESSED BUT WE ALSO DISCOVERED THAT MANY OF THEM DON'T SPECIFICALLY PROVIDE FOR EMPLOYEE PARKING. BUT WE'RE GOING TO HIGHLIGHT BOTH OF THOSE AS WE GO THROUGH IT. AND THEN LASTLY, WE WERE ASKED TO ADDRESS THE POTENTIAL CONFLICT BETWEEN PEOPLE UTILIZING CHAPLAIN PARK AT VARIOUS POINTS IN THE YEAR REGIONAL SPORTS PROGRAMING VERSUS PEOPLE THAT ARE USING CHAPLAIN PARK PRIMARILY FOR PURPOSES OF BEACH ACCESS AND BEACH.AND SO WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT THAT AS WELL AND WE'VE GOT A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT THAT WE CAN PROPOSE DISCUSSION PURPOSES. AND SO AGAIN OUR GOAL TODAY IS TO GET THAT INFORMATION OUT, GET IT TO YOU, ALLOW YOU TO START DIGESTING IT, ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE WITH AN IDEA THAT WE'RE WORKING TOWARDS HOPEFULLY BEING ABLE TO GET POLICY DIRECTION ON THOSE FOUR ISSUES THAT WE CAN THEN INCORPORATE INTO A DRAFT THAT CAN BE FORWARDED TO COUNCIL FOR THEIR CONSIDERATION ALONG ADOPTION OF THE PARKING MANAGEMENT ORDINANCE.
ALL RIGHT. SO LET'S DOVE IN NOW IN TERMS OF BEACH PARKING RATES.
SO AS INDICATED IN THE MEMO WE WERE REQUESTED TO DEVELOP A BREAK EVEN RATE.
AND WHAT WE'VE DONE IS WE'VE LOOKED AT THIS PAST YEAR'S SO THIS IS BACKWARDS LOOKING FIGURES NOT FORWARDS FIGURES. AND SO IN TERMS OF THE FBI 23 BUDGET, A SCHEDULE WAS THAT INDICATED KIND OF WHAT EACH LINE ITEM EXPENSE WAS FOR AND I'VE HIGHLIGHTED THE ONE HERE AT THE BOTTOM THAT SAYS CAPITAL EXPENSE IT WAS JUST A LITTLE OVER $500,000 WHICH WAS ALMOST MORE THAN 50% OF THE TOTAL ANNUAL EXPENSE WE'RE USING WHY I WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT THAT IS BECAUSE CAPITAL EXPENDITURES TYPICALLY ARE TIME EXPENDITURES.
NOW CERTAINLY I THINK WE'RE GOING TO HAVE SOME LEVEL OF CAPITAL INVESTMENT GOING FORWARD IN TERMS OF REPLACEMENT OR IMPROVEMENT, BUT THAT FIGURE SHOULD SUBSTANTIALLY DECREASE AS MOVE FORWARD INTO FUTURE YEARS BECAUSE THOSE ONE TIME EXPENSES WILL HAVE BEEN INCURRED. THE TECHNOLOGY, THE EQUIPMENT WILL HAVE BEEN INSTALLED AND WE'LL BE ABLE TO USE IT. WHAT I SUSPECT HOWEVER IS THAT AS THAT CAPITAL EXPENSE GOES DOWN, OUR FUTURE LABOR AND OPERATING EXPENSES ARE LIKELY TO GO UP BECAUSE AS THIS PROGRAM GETS IMPLEMENTED IT'S GOING TO BECOME MORE FOCUSED ON OF THOSE REGULATIONS RATHER THAN BUILDING OUT THE PROGRAM. AND SO WE CAN'T TELL YOU TODAY WHAT THAT NUMBER IS GOING TO BE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO KIND OF FEEL THAT OUT AS THE PROGRAM GOES FORWARD.
BUT IF WE ESTABLISH A PROCESS OF COMING BACK, YOU KNOW, PERIODICALLY SAY ANNUALLY WE CAN LOOK BACK AT WHAT THE PRIOR YEAR'S WERE AND THEN WE CAN PEG THE PROPOSED BEACH PARKING RATES TO WHAT THOSE EXPENSES WERE AND HAVE THE PROGRAM FOR ITSELF AS ANOTHER OPTION WE'VE IN WHAT CAME FROM THE WALKER REPORT WHICH WAS A RECOMMENDATION THAT BASED UPON BASED UPON MARKET RATES WHAT THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS WERE AND THIS LOOKS KIND PRIMARILY AT SEASONAL RATES THAT THE HIGHER THE DEMAND THE MORE YOU CAN CHARGE FOR PARKING THE LOWER DEMAND, THE LOWER THE RATE THAT YOU WOULD CHARGE FOR PARKING. I'VE INCLUDED THIS IN THERE JUST AS AGAIN A REMINDER AS TO THE FLEXIBILITY THAT WE HAVE WITHIN THIS PROGRAM THAT IF WE WANT TO ADJUST THE PARKING RATES FOR SPECIFIC AREAS FOR SPECIFIC TIMES OF YEAR WE HAVE THE FLEXIBILITY TO DO THAT. SO AS WE GO FORWARD, IF THERE'S CHANGES THAT YOU WANT TO SEE MADE ONE WAY OR THE OTHER WITH REGARDS TO EITHER LOCATION, THE RATE THAT'S CHARGED OR THE SEASON OR TIMING THAT IS CHARGED KNOW THAT WE CAN INCORPORATE THAT IN THERE IF THERE'S SUPPORT FROM THE COMMITTEE TO DO THAT. THE LAST THING THAT I WANT TO SAY ON THE SO WE'VE PROPOSED A BREAK EVEN RATE $1.30 PER HOUR AND I WANT TO COVER KIND OF WHAT SOME OF THE UNDERLYING ASSUMPTIONS ARE IN CREATING THAT RECOMMENDING PORTION.
SO AS YOU CAN SEE IN THIS CHART WE AT THE TOTAL NUMBER OF PAID PARKING SPACES AND JUST LOOKS AT THE THE TOWN'S BEACH LOTS THAT ARE DESIGNATED IN THE ORDINANCE AND THROUGH THOSE BEACH LAWS THERE'S 1062 PARKING SPACES AND SO THEN IF WE ASSUME A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE
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OF UTILIZATION IN FOR A PARTICULAR TIME OF YEAR, THAT IS WHAT THEN DRIVES TOTAL AMOUNT OF REVENUE THAT IS PROJECTED TO BE COLLECTED FOR ANY GIVEN TIME OF YEAR.MR. BROWN POINTED THAT ONE OF THE FUTURE QUESTIONS THAT WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT IS THE TIMING FOR CHAPLAIN PARK AND IF THE COMMITTEE RECOMMENDS NOT IMPLEMENTING PAID PARKING DURING THE TIME THAT RECREATIONAL SPORTS ARE BEING PROVIDED THAT WOULD HAVE AN IMPACT ON THESE ASSUMPTIONS AND SO PRESUMABLY YOUR REVENUE COLLECTIONS WOULD GO DOWN ALTHOUGH WE'VE ALSO THOUGHT THAT IF THE PARKING IS COMPLETELY UTILIZED FOR THE RECREATIONAL SPORTS THAT MAY DRIVE BEACHGOERS TO GO TO ANOTHER PARK AT THEY WOULD PAY THE FEE AND IT MAY BE AN OFFSET BUT AGAIN WE DON'T KNOW. SO IF WE'RE LOOKING BACK WE CAN TELL WHAT THAT NUMBER WAS FOR ANY GIVEN YEAR AND THEN ADJUST RATES GOING FORWARD FROM THERE OR WE CAN TRY TO TAKE AN EDUCATED GUESS BASED UPON WHAT WE THINK IS THE MOST LIKELY OUTCOME. BUT I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT UNDERSTOOD WHAT THE UNDERLYING ASSUMPTIONS WERE WHERE THIS DOLLAR AND $0.30 PER HOUR FIGURE WAS GENERATED AND DO WE HAVE AN IDEA OF WHAT THAT HAPPENS DURING SPORTS SEASON, WHAT THOSE NUMBERS ARE NOT THAT WE HAVE A COUNT THAT WE CAN SAY AT ANY TIME I GUESS FROM OBSERVATIONAL EXPERIENCES ON THE WEEKENDS DURING THE RECREATIONAL SEASON YOU CANNOT FIND A PARKING SPOT IF YOU'RE TRYING TO ATTEND A SOCCER GAME ESPECIALLY IF YOU GET THERE LATE.
AND SO JUST BASED UPON THAT INFORMATION WE THINK THAT DURING THE WEEK THERE WOULDN'T BE MUCH OF A CONFLICT. THERE SHOULD BE PLENTY OF PARKING FOR ALL ON THE WEEKENDS. THERE TENDS TO BE NO AVAILABLE PARKING AT LEAST NOT IN CLOSE ACCESS TO THE BEACH ACCESS AND IS AND THAT CONFLICT BECAUSE OF SPORTS AND BEACH GOERS AT THAT TIME YEAR YES WE THINK THE MAJORITY OF IT DURING THAT TIME ARE THE SPORTS PEOPLE BUT IT IS ALSO CERTAINLY A MIX OF PEOPLE WHO ARE GOING TO THE BEACH MEAN .
OKAY. ALL RIGHT SO I DON'T KNOW IF WE WANT TO TAKE ALL OF THESE UP OR IF WE JUST WANT TO TAKE THEM UP SUBJECT BY SUBJECT. BUT THAT'S THE DATA THAT WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO GATHER IN TERMS OF PROVIDING OPTIONS FOR THE COMMITTEE TO DISCUSS AS FAR AS ESTABLISHING A PARKING, I GUESS THAT'S KIND OF HOW THEY FEEL WHICH I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE THEM PIECE BY PIECE OR WAIT TO HEAR THE ENTIRE PRESENTATION AND THEN GO BACK WHAT IS YOUR PREFERENCE? DO YOU HAVE ONE AT SEA? HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT THAT? UM, I DO HAVE SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT THE RATES THAT ARE SO I THINK I'D LIKE TO TAKE ONE BY ONE. OKAY. AND ALEX FROM DIFFERENT BECAUSE MY COLUMN IS ALTHOUGH I THINK ALL OF THEM RELATIVE OKAY BUT IF WE NEED TO THEM ONE BY ONE THEN OKAY WELL LET'S LET PATAKY JUMP IN WITH HER SO THAT WE CAN KIND OF KNOW THEM ALL AND SO FRESH IN EVERYONE'S MIND AND SO YEAH. OKAY SURE.
IS THAT GOOD? YES. SO I THINK LOOKING IT FROM A POLICY VIEWPOINT I THINK OUR DECISION IS ARE WE TRYING TO GENERATE A RATE TO PAY FOR THE OPERATIONAL COST OR ARE WE TRYING TO SOMEHOW REDIRECT PARKING OR SOMEHOW THE BEACH FROM OVER PARKING AND ALSO ARE WE TRYING TO MINIMIZE THE IMPACT ON SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOODS DUE TO BEACH PARKING? SO I THINK WE HAVE TO FIRST OF ALL DECIDE WHAT'S THE PURPOSE OF HAVING PARKING RATES THE BREAK EVEN YOU KNOW SEEMS FINE TO ME. I DID HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THAT ONE TIME CAPITAL AND I THANK MR. GRUBER FOR EXPLAINING THE ANALYSIS THERE BECAUSE I WAS WONDERING HOW LONG YOU'RE ADVERTISING ON THE CAP THAT ONE TIME CAPITAL ONE EXPENSE BUT SOUNDS AS THOUGH YOU'RE RECOMMENDING THE 30 RATE PER HOUR OR ONGOING FUTURE EXPENSES RECOGNIZING AT THE SAME TIME THAT WE CAN ADJUST THE RATE ON A GOING FORWARD BASIS. SO I JUST WONDERED ABOUT THAT ONE TIME CAPITAL EXPENSE AND WHY THAT WAS INCLUDED IN THE RATE ANALYSIS AND THEN THE OTHER QUESTION IS ACTUALLY AT IT THERE WAS A QUESTION ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT AND MAYBE THIS IS THE NEXT AND I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT AND THAT IS WHAT WOULD BE THE MAXIMUM DAILY RATE AND I DID NOT SEE A RECOMMENDATION FOR MAXIMUM DAILY RATE. I THOUGHT I HAD ONE TIME BUT I LOOK BACK THROUGH THE MATERIALS AND COULDN'T NOTICE IT SO MAYBE THAT'S THE NEXT QUESTION SO I APOLOGIZE FOR ASKING IT RIGHT NOW BUT I THINK I THINK OUR COMMITTEE NEEDS TO TALK ABOUT WHAT ARE WE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH WITH THIS AND THEN WHAT TO DO ABOUT THE CAPITAL EXPENSE BEING INCLUDED IN IN ESTABLISHING THE RECOMMENDED RATE?
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YES, MA'AM. SO JUST TO TOUCH ON A COUPLE OF THOSE BRIEFLY AGAIN TO HIGHLIGHT THOSE CAPITAL EXPENDITURES THAT WAS AS PART OF THIS PAST YEAR'S BUDGET.SO THOSE WERE ONE TIME EXPENDITURES THEY'RE LIKELY TO NOT GO FORWARD, CERTAINLY NOT IN THAT AMOUNT. I THINK WE WILL HAVE SOME AMOUNT OF ONGOING CAPITAL INVESTMENT OR REINVESTMENT BUT CERTAINLY NOT TO THE TUNE OF HALF A MILLION DOLLARS.
BUT AGAIN WE DO SUSPECT THAT AS THIS PROGRAM COMES ON LINE THE OF THE ENFORCEMENT WITHIN THE NEIGHBORHOODS THAT IS GOING TO BECOME MORE OF AN ACUTE ISSUE THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO STAY ON TOP OF ONCE REQUIREMENT TO PAY FOR PARKING GOES LIVE AND SO WHILE WE DON'T HAVE THOSE IN THIS YEAR'S BUDGET BECAUSE THAT WAS NOT A PART OF WHAT WAS PREVIOUSLY WE'RE ANTICIPATING NEEDING THAT FOR THE FUTURE SO WE'RE KIND OF INDICATING THAT WHILE THAT A CAPITAL EXPENSE FIGURE IS GOING TO COME, THE OPERATIONAL EXPENSE FIGURES ARE GOING TO GO UP AND IT MAY BE ENOUGH OF AN OFFSET THAT IT'S A WASH. BUT IF IT'S NOT WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO COME BACK YOU KNOW THIS TIME NEXT YEAR WHENEVER THE COMMITTEE FEELS IT'S APPROPRIATE TO DO SO TO LOOK AT THOSE EXPENDITURES AND THEN PEG THE PARKING RATES AT A BREAK EVEN RATE IF THAT'S THE POLICY DIRECTION FROM COMMITTEE OF AND THEN JUST A COUPLE OF OTHER THINGS I GUESS THE OTHER QUESTIONS THE COMMITTEE ARE DO WE WANT TO ESTABLISH DIFFERENT RATES FOR DIFFERENT LOCATIONS AND FOR DIFFERENT TIMES OF THE YEAR VERSUS THE OVERALL RATE ALL YEAR ROUND FOR EVERY LOCATION. SO I THINK IN THE ANSWER TO THAT ONE. OKAY. THANK YOU.
STEVE HAS A FOLLOW UP QUESTION IN TERMS OF THE $1.30, I HAVEN'T IS ESSENTIALLY IS THAT WE SHOULD RECOVER ALL EXPENSES HERE AND THAT TO ME INCLUDES DEPRECIATION TO THE EXTENT WE HAVE CAPITAL EXPENDITURES THE EVENTS THAT THAT US ON CASH FLOW ITEMS THAT I THINK WE NEED TO INCLUDE IN HERE AS WELL. LET ME SHIFT TO A DIFFERENT ASPECT THAT IS WHO IS PAYING THESE PARKING FEES. THEY'RE NOT RESIDENTS. THEY'RE NOT RUNNERS WHO ARE HERE FOR 184 DAYS. THEY'RE THEY'RE PEOPLE FROM ACROSS THE BORDER WHO ARE COMING. AND IF MY UNDERSTANDING IS CORRECT, THERE'S A FAIR NUMBER OF DAY TRIPPERS, ANY OF WHOM DO NOT CONTRIBUTE OTHERWISE TO THE ECONOMY OF THE ISLAND.
SO I THINK I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION WHEN WE SET THIS FEE.
YES, SIR. AND I THINK I THINK WE MIGHT HAVE SOME DATA ON THE PLATES, THE STATUS OF WHERE PEOPLE WERE COMING FROM. I KNOW ONE POINT IN TIME PCI AND TALKED ABOUT THE ABILITY TO TO DO THAT WITHOUT INTO ANY KIND OF IDENTIFYING INFORMATION BUT JUST UNDERSTANDING WHERE KIND OF COMING FROM BASED UPON THEIR LICENSE PLATES.
AND IF I RECALL CORRECTLY THERE ARE CERTAINLY A FAIR AMOUNT OF PEOPLE WHO LIVE WITHIN THIS REGION AND ARE COMING THERE FOR THE DAY FOR THE WEEKEND WHAT HAVE YOU.
I THINK THERE'S ALSO A FAIR AMOUNT OF PEOPLE ARE COMING IN OCCUPYING SHORT TERM RENTALS THAT ARE LOCATED ON THE ISLAND BUT THAT AREN'T LOCATED WITHIN WALKING DISTANCE TO THE BEACH ITSELF. SO THOSE PLACES ALSO ARE UTILIZING THE BEACH PARKING FOR ACCESS PURPOSES. SO I THINK IT'S I DON'T KNOW THAT I WANT TO SAY IT'S A 5050 RATIO BUT I THINK IT'S A GOOD MIX OF BOTH IN TERMS OF WHO IS OCCUPYING THESE SPACES BUT ALSO TO YOUR IF YOU'VE OBTAINED A RESIDENT BEACH PARKING PASS YOU WILL NOT PAYING FOR PARKING BECAUSE YOU'RE EXEMPT ONCE YOU HAVE THAT PASS. SO WE PRESUME THAT IT'S NOT RESIDENTS WHO ARE PAYING FOR IT BECAUSE THEY WOULD HAVE OTHERWISE GOTTEN PARKING PASS.
OKAY. I MEAN I THINK AT THIS POINT I'D RATHER YOU DO.
OKAY. OKAY. IF IF YOU CHANGE YOUR MIND FEEL FREE TO JUMP IN. OKAY. SO I HAVE A QUESTION.
YES, MA'AM. AND THIS LISTING EXPECTED ANTICIPATED FEES I WOULD ACTUALLY LIKE TO SEE SOME OF THE COSTS WITH REGARD TO ANTICIPATED DEPRECIATION.
I THINK STEVE MAKES AN EXCELLENT POINT THERE SO THAT THAT'S BUILT IN ADDITIONALLY, I WOULD ASK MARK ELLEN IN TERMS OF ANTICIPATED BUDGET CREATION THIS COMING YEAR WHAT IT IS THAT PUBLIC SAFETY MIGHT NEED WITH REGARD TO ADDITIONAL CODE ENFORCEMENT TO HELP TO MONITOR AND ENFORCE THESE RULES SO THAT TO PASS POINT NEIGHBORHOODS ON IMPACT ONE THAT IS AT LEAST TWO ADDITIONAL US THAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE AND THEN THE LAST ONE THAT I'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT AS WE STARTED THIS CONVERSATION IS AND YOU IT UP WITH REGARD TO
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TWO ISLAND RESIDENTS WHO ARE GOING TO PAY EACH PASS THEY'RE USED TO DOING THAT SO THEY HAD THEIR PLACES SECURED NOTHING REALLY TOO MUCH CHANGES FOR THEM BUT MANY OF US HAVE WHAT A BEACH PASS EVER IN OUR LIVES AND SO NOW WE WILL BE WE WILL BE FORCED TO HAVE TO BUY A BEACH ASK IN MY MIND I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE COSTS COVERED TO BE THOSE FOR THE RESIDENTS SO THAT THOSE EXPENSE IF IT'S MINIMAL I UNDERSTAND IT AND I STILL THINK THIS IS SOMETHING THAT COULD HELP ALLEVIATE AN EXPENSE ISLAND RESIDENTS WHO HAVE TO TOLERATE NOT BEING ABLE TO FIND SPOTS ON THE ISLAND WHEN WE WANT TO GO SOMEWHERE SO WOULD SAY THAT IS A COST AS WELL CERTAINLY COVERED AND I WOULD SAY IF THERE IS CONSENSUS AMONG THE COMMITTEE WE COULD INCORPORATE THAT WITHIN THE RESOLUTION AS WELL THAT IN TERMS OF ESTABLISHING A PAID PARKING RATE FOR BEACH PARKING CAN ALSO ESTABLISH WHAT THE PARKING PASS RATE WOULD BE BECAUSE A RESOLUTION WOULD ALLOW US TO DO THAT.SO IF THERE'S CONSENSUS WE CAN CERTAINLY INCORPORATE. OKAY.
SO THOSE ARE MY POINTS FOR A QUESTION IF I GET THERE AS A VISITOR AT 5 A.M. FREE.
YES, YOU WELL YES YOU WOULD BECAUSE WE WOULDN'T HAVE STAFF THERE TO ENFORCE THE ACTUAL PAID PARKING UNTIL LATER ON IN THE DAY HOWEVER SOME OF THE PARKS WILL HAVE GATE CONTROLLED ACCESS AND SO IN THEORY YOU WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO ACCESS THE PROPERTY AT THAT TIME UNTIL IT BECOMES OPEN TO THE PUBLIC USE . SO GOING FORWARD I THINK WE'LL HAVE SEVERAL WHO WILL LIKELY HAVE THAT IN PLACE PRIMARILY NOT SO MUCH TO ENFORCE PEOPLE TRYING TO COME IN THE MORNING BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY TO ENFORCE PEOPLE STAYING LATE NIGHT WE'VE HEARD PARTICULARLY AT LEAST IN THE TERMS OF THE CLEANING BEACH LOT THAT IF PEOPLE STAY LATE AT NIGHT THERE TENDS TO BE A LOT OF NOISE, SOME ISSUES GOING ON WITH VEHICLES AND STUFF LIKE THAT AND SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE LOOKED AT IS COULD WE MANAGE THE ACCESS TO THOSE BETTER TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE ADDRESSING THOSE CONCERNS? ONE OF THE QUESTIONS THAT I BELIEVE WILL STILL BE COMING BEFORE US IS TO DISCUSS HOURS OF THE VARIOUS PARKS AND I ASSUME WITH THAT WHICH OF THOSE PARKS WILL HAVE GATES AND I WOULD SAY THE SAME COMMENT YOU MADE WITH REGARD TO DISNEY IS CERTAINLY TRUE WITH PARKS LIKE REASON AND I'M SURE OTHERS ACROSS ISLAND SO THIS CONVERSATION IS PROBABLY SOON BECOME SO THAT WE CAN THAT'S SOMETHING BIG AT THE SUMMIT DOES AN EXAMPLE THE THE OLDER BEACH LANE ACCESS THAT'S ACTUALLY A SHARED ACCESS WITH A PRIVATE DEVELOPMENT AND SO WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO INSTALL A GATE THERE BUT TO YOUR POINT. ANDRESEN THAT IT'S ONE WAY IN ONE WAY OUT CERTAINLY MAKES SENSE THAT THAT COULD BE AN AREA THAT WE CAN CONTROL FROM A GATE ACCESS. RIGHT. AND IN FAIRNESS, THAT'S ONE THAT'S ALWAYS OKAY AND EXPECTED ALLIGATORS IS AGREEMENTS OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS IN THIS TOPIC 30 ARE YOU COULD I YES I'M GOING TO FOR NOW. THANK YOU, MA'AM.
OKAY. GOSH. SO WE'LL GO ON AND PATSY DID THIS BRING THIS UP IN HER INITIAL SO THIS IS THE DISCUSSION OF ESTABLISHING A DAILY RATE. NOT ONLY DO WE WANT TO LOOK AT ESTABLISHING AN HOURLY RATE BUT DO WE ALSO WANT TO PUT A CAP ON THAT AND THERE'S POLICY PROS AND CONS DEPENDING UPON WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH. WHAT WE WANTED TO PROVIDE IS KIND OF A SNAPSHOT OF OTHER COMMUNITIES AND HOW THEY APPROACH THIS SO THAT IF YOU WANT TO UNDERSTAND WHAT OTHER JURISDICTIONS ARE DOING, THIS CHART RIGHT HERE WILL HOPEFULLY YOU KIND OF HOW THEY'VE STRUCTURED THAT AND AGAIN I WOULD SAY BY LARGE A LOT OF IT IS GEARED TOWARDS THE HIGH SEASON AND GEARED TOWARDS WEEKEND PARKING. THAT'S WHEN YOU PAY THE MOST WHEN THE CAPS ARE THE HIGHEST JUST TO KIND OF CAPTURE THE DEMAND THAT IS TYPICALLY PRESENT DURING THOSE TIMES OF YEARS AS COMPARED TO OTHERS .
ANY COMMENTS ON CASE AND I PARKED MY CAR THERE FOR THREE DAYS NO.
SO BASED UPON THE EXISTING LANGUAGE THAT'S IN PLACE WE NOT ALLOW FOR OVERNIGHT PARKING BEING TOWED OR, FINED OR SOMETHING IN THEORY YES YOU COULD BE TICKETED OR YOU COULD BE TOWED. I THINK THAT'S AN IMPORTANT QUESTION BECAUSE I HAVE HEARD DIRECTLY AND INDIRECTLY OF FOLKS WITH SHORT TERM RENTALS FOR INSTANCE OR EVEN FAMILY HOMES WITHOUT ADEQUATE PARKING IN FAMILIES THAT THEIR INTENTION WOULD BE TO USE A PARKING SPOT IN A PARK. AND SO SOME OF THOSE PARKS THAT MIGHT BE USED ARE ONES GATES WON'T WORK AT AND SO SOME OF THOSE QUESTIONS HOW WE ENFORCE THAT ACT TO YOU KNOW WHY INCORPORATING CODE ENFORCEMENT, ETC. IS IMPORTANT SO THAT YOU HAVE ANYTHING ON THAT. YES. THANK YOU, MA'AM.
SO JUST LOOKING AT THE RECOMMENDED RATE OF A DOLLAR 30 AN HOUR IF YOU'RE THERE FROM 8
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A.M. TO 8 P.M. ON OUR CALCULATIONS THAT'S $15.60 FOR THOSE 12 HOURS.SO I'M LOOKING AT SOME OF THE MAXIMUM DAILY RATES FOLLY BEACH IS A AND IT $10 LAST $15 CHARLESTON COUNTY BEACH ARE $5 TO $15 SO THE RANGE IT LOOKS LIKE FROM $5 MAXIMUM TO $25 AND THAT'S PROBABLY DRIVEN BY WHAT THEIR HOURLY RATE IS. INSTANCE WRIGHTSVILLE BEACH MAY HAVE A HIGHER HOURLY RATE BUT DOES THE STAFF HAVE A RECOMMENDATION A MAXIMUM DAILY RATE BASED ON THE DOLLAR 30 PER HOUR? SO THE ONLY RECOMMENDATION THAT WE HAVE IS KIND OF GOING BACK TO THE ASSUMPTIONS THAT ARE INHERENT WITHIN THE BREAK EVEN KNOWING THAT THAT WAS KIND OF A GOAL AT A MINIMUM OF THE COMMITTEE WE ANTICIPATED THAT THE AVERAGE PART THE LENGTH OF PARKING WOULD BE THREE AND A HALF HOURS AND SO AT A DOLLAR AND $0.30 BASED UPON THESE ASSUMPTIONS I DON'T KNOW THAT WE WOULD ASSUME THAT PEOPLE WOULD HIT THAT DAILY PARKING WHICH IS WHY WE KIND OF HAVEN'T PROPOSED ONE IF THE RATE IS GOING TO BE $1.30 AN HOUR, IF THE RATE IS GOING TO BE SOMETHING HIGHER THAN THAT, THEN I THINK WE DO COME BACK INTO MAYBE WE DO NEED TO LOOK AT A CAP IN TERMS THE RATE BUT AT A DOLLAR 30 PER HOUR LIKE YOU SAID YOU'D HAVE TO PARK THERE ALL DAY BEFORE YOU HIT ANYTHING THAT WOULD BE CLOSE TO A MARKET CAP. RIGHT.
AND BECAUSE OF THAT WHAT DO YOU HAVE SOMETHING AS I SAID IN THE DRAFT RESOLUTION THAT WE HAVEN'T YET GOTTEN TO YET IT DOES CONTEMPLATE CURRENTLY A $15 DAILY MAXIMUM RATE.
OBVIOUSLY THAT COULD BE CHANGE BUT THAT'S WHAT IS I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE AND THAT WAS BASED ON THESE CALCULATION AS PROVIDED IN THE EARLIER 30 AN HOUR IT WAS THE $15 DAILY MAXIMUM RATE JUST BASED OFF OF YOU KNOW THAT WAS WITHIN THE RANGE THAT WE'VE SEEN WITH OTHER JURISDICTIONS. AGAIN THESE THESE CALCULATIONS ARE BASED OFF OF AN AVERAGE SESSION OF THREE AND A HALF HOURS. THANK YOU.
IT MEANT AT A HIGHER RATE I GUESS SO FOR INSTANCE IF IT'S $4 AN HOUR TIMES HOURS EMPTY 16 BUCKS. YEAH. OKAY BUT A DOLLAR 30 PERHAPS NOT INCLUDING A MAXIMUM RATE. YES, MISSY OKAY. SO THOSE ARE THE FIRST TWO QUESTIONS. THE THIRD QUESTION DEALT WITH EMPLOYEE PARKING AND IS INDICATED IN THE STAFF MEMO WHAT WE DID TO TRY TO FRAME THIS DISCUSSION TO TRY AND UNDERSTAND WHAT IS THE SCOPE, THE ISSUE THAT WE MAY BE DEALING WITH.
AND SO IN LOOKING AT ALL OF OUR BEACH PARKS THERE'S ONLY ONE THAT REALLY HAS ANY KIND OF CONCERNS WITH ADJOINING OR ADJACENT COMMERCIAL PROPERTY AND THAT'S CLEANING BEACH PARK.
SO WE FOCUSED ON THAT AREA AND WHAT WE DID WAS WE USED E911 DATA AND BUSINESS LICENSE DATA TO SURVEY THE NUMBER OF BUSINESSES THAT ARE IDENTIFIED WITHIN 100 YARDS OR 300 FEET OF THE GEOGRAPHIC CENTER OF THE BEACH PARK. AND THERE A SPREADSHEET THAT WAS INCLUDED IN YOUR LIST THAT SHOWED ALL OF THOSE BUSINESSES .
WE'VE TAKEN THAT AND WE'VE APPLIED THAT TO OUR MAPPING SYSTEM AND THIS SHOWS YOU KIND OF ALL OF THOSE BUSINESSES BEING IDENTIFIED AND IF IT'S NOT IDENTIFIED THOSE ARE TYPICALLY RESIDENTIAL. SO THAT RIGHT THERE IS RESIDENTIAL THIS IS RESIDENTIAL AND THIS IS RESIDENTIAL ALL THE REMAINING ONES THIS IS A HOTEL. THIS IS A HOTEL AND THEN ALL THE OTHER ONES ARE THE BUSINESS THAT THEY'RE IN AND AROUND THIS AREA.
SO WHEN YOU ADD UP ALL OF THOSE BUSINESSES I BELIEVE IT'S 149 LET'S JUST ROUND UP AND SAY 150 BUSINESSES THAT ARE WITHIN WHAT WE CONSIDER TO BE WALKING DISTANCE OF THE ALLEGHENY BEACH PARK AND. THAT'S IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND BECAUSE THIS PARKING LOT IN TOTALITY HOLDS RIGHT AROUND 400 PARKING SPACES. SO IF WE THAT SOME OF THESE EMPLOYERS ARE LARGER SUCH AS THE BEACH HOUSE, YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE NUMEROUS EMPLOYEES AND SOME OF THE OTHER ONES HERE WITHIN COLLIGNON MAY BE MUCH SMALLER AND THEY MAY ONLY HAVE ONE OR MAYBE TWO EMPLOYEES IF YOU AVERAGE THAT OUT TO TWO EMPLOYEES PER BUSINESS AT 140 150 BUSINESSES YOU QUICKLY CAN USE UP ALMOST ENTIRETY OF CALIFORNIA BEACH PARK JUST WITH EMPLOYEE PARKING IF THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO DESIGNATE IT AS.
SO WE'VE ALSO LOOKED AT KIND OF HOW DO OTHER JURISDICTIONS ADDRESS THIS ISSUE? I KNOW THAT INFORMATION'S INCLUDED IN THE STAFF REPORT AS WELL BY AND LARGE MANY JURISDICTIONS DO NOT PROVIDE FOR IT SEPARATELY. IT IS JUST HERE'S WHAT THE PARKING RATE IS REGARDLESS OF WHO YOU ARE IF YOU'RE GOING TO PARK THERE, HERE'S THE RATE THAT YOU PAY FOR THOSE JURISDICTIONS THAT DID TREAT EMPLOYEE PARKING DIFFERENTLY.
WE KIND OF SAW IT GO IN ONE OF TWO DIRECTIONS. ONE DIRECTION WAS TO CHARGE FOR A PARKING PASS AND THAT CHARGE SIGNIFICANTLY LESS THAN WHAT THE MARKET RATE WOULD BE.
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BUT IT WAS A MONTHLY RATE AND THEN THE PARKING SPACES THAT WERE AUTHORIZED FOR THEM WERE NOT WHAT I WOULD CALL THE PREMIER SPACES THEY WERE THE SECONDARY SPACES SO OR MYRTLE BEACH IS THE ONE THAT KIND OF REALLY COMES TO MIND FOR ME AND FOREMOST THEY SAY THAT THE FIRST ROW OF PARKING IS FOR VISITORS AND TOURISTS. IT'S THE SECOND AND THIRD ROWS THAT THEY MAKE AVAILABLE FOR EMPLOYEE PARKING THAT DISCOUNTED MONTHLY RATE.THE OTHER WAY THAT WE SAW IT ADDRESSED TO TAKE SPECIFIC GEOGRAPHIC AREA AND SET ASIDE A FIXED NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES AND JUST DESIGNATE THAT AS RESTRICTED TO EMPLOYEE PARKING AND THAT THAT WAS THEN OPENED UP ON A FIRST COME FIRST SERVED BASIS FOR WHOMEVER QUALIFIED TO PARK IN THAT AREA. SO THOSE WERE KIND OF THE TWO WAYS THAT WE SAW THIS ISSUE BEING ADDRESSED. AND SO AGAIN THAT'S GOING TO BE A POLICY DIRECTION FROM THIS COMMITTEE AND WE WANTED MAKE SURE THAT YOU KIND OF HAD SOME OF THE UNDERLYING DATA TO HELP FORMULATE WHAT THAT POLICY SHOULD OR SHOULD NOT BE. THAT'S A BIG ONE.
ALL RIGHT. ANYONE WANT JUMP IN ON THIS AND SPEAK MY MIND RELATED TO EMPLOYEE PARKING USE CUSTOMER IF I'M A BEACHGOER AND I SEE THE POSTED RATE OR BEACH PARKING AND I'M GOING TO GO AND PARK IN AND I KNOW YOU'VE HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH THE EMPLOYERS. HOW HAVE THOSE BEEN GOING SO THEY'VE BEEN ABOUT THE SAME FOR A NOW BECAUSE HERE'S THE CONFLICT WE KNOW THAT WHEN WE START FOR PARKING WE'RE GOING TO NEED MORE ENFORCEMENT ASSETS BECAUSE. WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO TRY TO PREVENT THE SPILLOVER EFFECT. THE ISSUE THAT WE HAVE AND I'M JUST GOING TO USE CALIFORNIA AS THE EXAMPLE IS THE SAME ONE THAT WE HAVE FOR A LOT OF OTHER PLACES UNLESS YOU HAVE MANNED ACCESS THAT IS SPECIFICALLY ASKING EVERYBODY COMING INTO THE PARKING LOT WHAT IS YOUR PURPOSE FOR BEING HERE TODAY? THERE'S NO WAY TO KNOW IF SOMEBODY IS PULLING IN IF THEY'RE PLANNING ON GOING TO A SHOP OR THEY'RE PLANNING ON WALKING TO THE BEACH.
AND SO THAT BECOMES THE ISSUE IS HOW DO YOU DETERMINE THE INTENT NOW ONE OF THE WAYS THAT HAS BEEN PROPOSED TO ADDRESS THIS IS CALIFORNIA DECIDE TO CHARGE FOR PARKING ITSELF BUT THEN HAVE BUSINESS OWNERS PROVIDE BASICALLY A VALIDATION TICKET TO VALIDATE THE PARKING WHICH MEANS THAT THE PERSON WOULDN'T HAVE TO PAY SO LONG AS THEY'VE GONE IN AND SHOPPED AT ONE OF THE SHOPS IN THE PARKING LOT. SO THERE ARE OPTIONS THERE.
I CAN'T TELL YOU THAT THERE'S A GREAT SOLUTION BECAUSE AGAIN IT GOES BACK TO KNOWING THE INTENT OF THE PERSON GOING IN THERE. BUT IF WE DO CREATE MORE ENFORCEMENT ASSETS AS A PART OF THIS PROGRAM WE WILL BE ABLE TO TRY TO WORK THEM TO THE EXTENT THAT WE CAN AND TRY TO CONTROL THAT ISSUE OF THE HAVE THERE BEEN DISCUSSIONS OF EMPLOYEE THIRD PARTICIPATING IN THIS CAR RIDE? WE'VE NOT DISCUSSED A SPECIFIC WITH THEM.
WHAT WE'VE HEARD FROM THEM IS A SIGNIFICANT PORTION OF THEIR EMPLOYEE POPULATION DOES UTILIZE THIS AREA FOR PARKING LISA WAS THAT THAT'S WHAT THEY REPRESENTED TO US AND THAT IF WE BEGIN TO CHARGE FOR PARKING THAT IS JUST ANOTHER IMPEDIMENT TO THEM HIRING STAFF OR BEING ABLE TO PAY FOR IT. ALL RIGHT. SO ME THAT'S IT.
AND SO I THINK THAT GOES BACK TO ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS WE CAN PROVIDE A DISCOUNTED PARKING PASS AND ALLOW THEM TO PARK HERE. ANOTHER OPTION THAT'S RECENTLY COME UP WITH REGARDS TO THE ACQUISITION OF THE WILD WING PROPERTY IF WE WANTED TO YOU KNOW REMOVE THE BUILDING THAT'S THERE THEN DEDICATE THOSE PARKING SPACES TOWARDS EMPLOYEE PARKING WE COULD SET ASIDE A SPECIFIC NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES THAT WOULD BE AVAILABLE ON A FIRST COME FIRST SERVE BASIS TO TRY AND PROVIDE FOR THAT NEED.
I THINK ONE OF THE CONCERNS IS GOING TO BE IS THAT KNOWING THAT IF THERE'S 150 BUSINESSES THAT ARE IN THIS AREA WE'RE PROBABLY NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO CREATE SOMETHING THAT SATISFIES EVERYBODY. THERE'S JUST NOT ENOUGH PARKING TO GO AROUND BUT AT LEAST TO TRY AND PROVIDE SOME RELIEF I THINK WOULD GO A LONG WAYS TOWARDS ADDRESSING THEIR CONCERNS AND I PERSONALLY WOULD URGE THE EMPLOYER TO PAY FOR THE CUSTOMERS PARKING SPOTS TO GIVE THEM A REIMBURSEMENT THEY WOULD HAVE I DON'T THINK YOU WANT TO REFUSE CUSTOMERS BUT I ALSO DON'T THINK YOU WANT TO REDUCE. SURE, IT'S A GREAT SUGGESTION STEVE ALEX ON THIS ONE YOU WANT TO JUMP IN THE INSTALLATION OKAY.
JUST CHECKING. YES, THANK YOU MADAM CHAIR. FIRST OF ALL, I'M NOT AS FOND OF THE FIRST COME FIRST SERVE OPTION BUT I'M ALSO CONCERNED ABOUT ADMINISTRATION ENFORCEMENT. SO THE STAFF HAVE A RECOMMENDED NURSE WHICH WOULD BE EASIER TO ADMINISTER AND ENFORCE WHAT. IS IT A FIRST COME FIRST SERVE OR IS IT THE CERTAIN NUMBER OF PARKING PASSES OR EMPLOYEES ? TO ME I THINK IT'S THE FIRST
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COME FIRST SERVE OPTION AND REASON WHY I SAY THAT IS IF WE JUST OPEN IT UP LET'S SAY WE DO A REDUCED MONTHLY PASS FOR EMPLOYEES. WHERE DO WE CUT THAT NUMBER OFF? YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S AN AVERAGE OF FIVE EMPLOYEES PER BUSINESS, ARE WE GOING TO BE GIVING OUT 250 OR MORE, YOU KNOW, EMPLOYEE PARKING PASSES AT WHICH POINT, YOU KNOW, THERE MIGHT NOT BE ANY BEACH PARKING AVAILABILITY WITHIN COLLIGNON AND SO I THINK IF WE SET FORTH A SPECIFIC NUMBER OF RESERVED SPACES THAT GETS US OUT OF HAVING TO SOLVE THE QUESTION OF WHO DOES OR WHO NOT GET A PASS IT IS ANYBODY WHO'S QUALIFIED BUT THEN ONCE THE SPACES ARE FILLED THEN IT'S INCUMBENT UPON THEM FIND ALTERNATIVES FOR FOR EMPLOYEE PARKING BUT TO ME THAT'S THAT'S THE ONLY WAY THAT I CAN COME UP WITH A SOLUTION THAT DOESN'T PROVIDE FOR WINNERS OR LOSERS IN TERMS OF WHO GETS EMPLOYEE PASSES AND WHO DOES NOT RETURN TO HAVING OVERFLOW CARS SEEKING PARKING, GOING TO TRY TO DO ANYTHING TO HELP IN THAT SUCH AS HAVE A LOT THAT'S AWAY BUT WITH TRANSPORTATION THAT'S CERTAINLY AN OPTION THERE'S A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT WAYS THAT WE CAN DO THAT. I KNOW THAT ONE THAT WAS TALKED ABOUT WAS POTENTIALLY UTILIZING YOU ASKED PARKING LOT FOR EMPLOYEE PARKING AND PROVIDING A SHUTTLE RIGHT. NOW OUR OUR PLANS WOULD BE TO PROVIDE THE BEACH PARKING SHUTTLE WE HAVE THE PAST COUPLE OF YEARS AND CERTAINLY IF WE NEED TO EXPAND THE HOURS WE'RE DOING THAT WE CAN LOOK AT DOING THAT AN OPTION. YEAH.MADAM CHAIR, IF I COULD ASK A COUPLE MORE QUESTIONS. YES, MA'AM.
WHAT ARE WE HEARING FROM THE EMPLOYERS AS FAR AS THE OPTIONS GO? DO THEY HAVE A PARTICULAR OPTION THAT THEY WOULD PREFER? WHAT HEARD FROM THEM IS THAT THEY DON'T WANT US TO CHARGE FOR PARKING AT ALL FOR FOUR TWO REASONS NOT JUST THE EMPLOYEE ASPECT OF IT BUT THEY'RE ALSO THAT IF WE'RE CHARGING FOR PARKING THAT'S LESS MONEY THAT THE PEOPLE WHO ARE PARKING WOULD HAVE TO SPEND AT ONE OF THE BUSINESSES IN THE AREA.
AND SO FOR THEM IT'S KIND OF A MULTIPLE FACTOR LOSS. IT'S IT'S THAT I HAVE TO NOW PAY MORE FOR MY EMPLOYEES TO PARK AND I'M LOSING OUT ON REVENUE BECAUSE THAT REVENUE IS GOING SOMEPLACE ELSE OTHER THAN COMING TO ME IN TERMS OF A GOOD OR SERVICE THAT I'VE SOLD.
SO WE'VE NOT HEARD FROM THEM THAT THEY'RE OPEN TO ANY OTHER OPTION.
JUST EXPRESSED CONCERNS ABOUT IMPLEMENTING PAID PARKING FOR THOSE REASONS.
OKAY AND AND TO SCRATCH MY HEAD ABOUT CONCERNED SOMEBODY SPENDING TEN BUCKS FOR PARKING AND NOT SPENDING 20 BUCKS FOR WHATEVER I'M TRYING TO SELL THEM BUT ANYHOW SO THE OTHER QUESTION IS IF IT'S FIRST COME FIRST SERVE, WHERE WOULD THOSE SPACES BE? AND CLEARLY I'M NOT EXCLUDING THE WILD WINGS WHERE THEY'RE THINKING OF HAVING THOSE SPACES . SO THE FIRST ONE THAT COMES TO MY MIND IS THE WILD WINGS PROPERTY BECAUSE IT IS NEW THERE'S NO EXPECTATIONS FROM THE PUBLIC TO HAVE PARKING FOR THIS PURPOSE AND SO IF WE WERE TO ESTABLISH IT IT WOULD PROBABLY FAIRLY EASY TO DO IT FROM A RESTRICTED USE STANDPOINT. YEAH, IF WE'RE GOING TO DO THAT I THINK YOU TALKED ABOUT TEARING DOWN THE BUILDING YOU WERE GOING TO HAVE ADDITIONAL CAPITAL COST TO TEAR DOWN THE BUILDING AND ALSO RE DRIVE AND PUT UP SOME SORT OF GATED ACCESS I GUESS SO THAT SEEMS AS THOUGH THEN WE'RE GOING TO NEED TO RECOVER THOSE COST AND IF WE'RE YOU KNOW IT SOUNDS LIKE WE'RE GOING TO GET BACK INTO THE SOME OF MONTHLY PASS TO PAY FOR THOSE KIND OF COST, THAT IS CERTAINLY AN OPTION THAT THE COULD RECOMMEND IF NOT THE WILD WINGS PROPERTIES AND WHERE THE PARK WHERE WERE THE SPACES BE RESERVED? THAT WOULD BE A GREAT QUESTION. I DON'T KNOW THAT WE HAVE ANOTHER PROPERTY THAT WE CAN PRESENT TO YOU TODAY BUT IT'S CERTAINLY SOMETHING WE COULD GO BACK LOOK AT I KNOW THE OTHER ONE THAT WAS MENTIONED AND AGAIN WE'D HAVE TO DO A LITTLE BIT MORE DIGGING IN THIS IS TO USE USC CB'S LOT NOW THAT WOULD PRESUMABLY JUST BE ON THE WEEKENDS BECAUSE DURING THE WEEKDAY THEY'RE USING IT FOR THEIR OWN PURPOSES BUT ON SATURDAYS AND SUNDAYS THAT COULD BE AVAILABLE AT LEAST SOME PORTION OF IT FOR EMPLOYEE PARKING AS WELL IF WE'RE ABLE TO STRUCTURE AN AGREEMENT WITH THEM TO ALLOW FOR THAT AND I GUESS THE QUESTION QUESTIONS HAVE TO DO WITH SPECIAL EVENTS WOULD THE EMPLOYEES STILL HAVE ACCESS TO RESERVE PARKING AREA ON A FIRST COME FIRST SERVE BASIS DURING EVENTS THAT WOULD BE A DISCUSSION FOR THE COMMITTEE AND ULTIMATELY COUNCIL TO MAKE THAT DETERMINATION.
YES I MEAN THAT IT COULD BE IN PERPETUITY IT COULD BE RESERVED ON A TEMPORARY BASIS OR IT REALLY JUST DEPENDS ON ON WHAT YOU WANT TO PROVIDE FOR. YOU KNOW IN THE LAST COMMENT
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FIRST COME FIRST SERVE IS YOU KNOW IF EMPLOYEES START STARTS ARE THEY HAVE A MORNING SHIFT SO TO SPEAK THEN WHAT DOES THAT LEAVE FOR FOLKS WHO COME IN IN THE OVERLAPPING OUR LUNCH TIME SHIFT SO THAT'S ANOTHER CONCERN I HAVE WITH FIRST COME FIRST SERVE THAT IT'S A IT'S A BIT OF A PICKLE YOU KNOW PATTY YES, MA'AM. THANK YOU.ALL RIGHT. SO IT IS TYPICAL UM AND I THINK IT GOES BACK TO SOME OF THE QUESTIONS THAT RAISED ORIGINALLY WHAT IS THE PURPOSE OF WHY CREATING PARKING AND I THINK IN MY MIND AT LEAST I'LL SPEAK FOR MYSELF UM IT HAS BEEN TO A PROTECT NEIGHBORHOODS UM TO BE MAKE SURE THAT OUR VISITORS ARE WELCOMED AND THAT THEY HAVE A SAFE SECURE PLACE TO. PARK THEIR CARS WHILE THEY ENJOY OUR SHOPS.
WE VALUE OUR BUSINESSES ON THE ISLAND AND WHILE FOLKS ENJOY THE RESTAURANTS AND THE BEACHES . OUR RESIDENTS ARE OBVIOUSLY INCLUDED IN THAT DYNAMIC AS WELL. SO THERE'S SOME REAL IMPORTANT PURPOSE BEHIND CREATING THIS ZONE I IMAGINE WHEN THESE BUSINESSES WERE APPLYING AND THEY WENT THROUGH THE BUILDING STANDARDS CODES OR AND I IMAGINE THAT THEY MET THOSE BUSINESSES AND STANDARDS AND I REALIZED THAT CLEANING ITSELF IS AN ODOR A GROUP OF ESTABLISHMENTS AND SO MAYBE THOSE STANDARDS WERE A BIT DIFFERENT WHEN THOSE TIMES BUT I'LL SAY WHAT HASN'T BEEN SPOKEN YET AND THE ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED A COLLISION A CONGLOMERATION OF WILD ITALIAN HEALTH HAD PURCHASED FROM THEM .
SO IF THEIR CONCERN WAS PARKING THEY HAD EVERY OPPORTUNITY TO TAKE DOWN THAT BUILDING AT THEIR EXPENSE AND CREATE THEIR EMPLOYEE CUSTOMER PARKING AND NOT INSTEAD SELL TO THE TOWN AT A COST BENEFIT TO THEM FOR US TO DO THE IMPROVEMENT TO PROVIDE FOR THEM TO SOLVE THEIR PROBLEM. SO I'M NOT REALLY SYMPATHETIC QUITE FRANKLY UM AND I'M NOT GENEROUS THE TAXPAYER DOLLARS TO SAY THAT WE'VE TAKEN ON THAT OBLIGATION AT THE TAXPAYERS EXPENSE OR SO LIKENING. SO I THINK THAT ONLY LEAVES A COUPLE OF THINGS POINTS TO BE MADE. ONE, THE PURPOSE IS TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR VISITORS AND RESIDENTS ARE ABLE TO PARK SAFELY AND SECURELY AND ENJOY LOW COUNTRY CELEBRATION PART BUSINESSES THE RESTAURANTS AND THE BEACH AND AND THAT IF THE BUSINESSES NEED ADDITIONAL PARKING THEIR STAFF AND THEIR CUSTOMERS THEN WE WELCOME PERHAPS A LIMITED NUMBER OF PARKING SPOTS THAT THEY CAN RESERVE ON AN ANNUAL OR MONTHLY PASS AND HOW THEY DISTRIBUTE IT BASED THEIR STAFFING NEEDS IS UP TO THEM BUT FOR ME THE PURPOSE WAS TO CREATE ENVIRONMENT FOR THE VISITORS AND RESIDENTS TO PARK SO THAT'S REALLY HOW I SEE IT.
WE HAVE VERY LIMITED PARKING IF WE OPEN UP WILD WINGS I IMAGINE THAT WE OPEN THAT UP TO THE BENEFIT OF THE RESIDENTS AND OUR VISITORS ARE HERE TO SPEND THE MONEY SO THAT ALL OF THESE BUSINESSES CAN STAY IN AND IN BUSINESS AND CREATE ANY TAX MONEY THAT FEEDS BACK INTO THE QUALITY OF LIFE THAT WE ENJOY. THE UCB SHUTTLE IS A GREAT IDEA .
WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THAT IN THE PAST AND I THINK WE NEED TO KEEP IN MIND THAT WE'RE VERY HOPEFUL FOR THAT UM CITY NOW GOING TO BE ABLE TO GENERATE SOME MORE STUDENTS ON THAT CAMPUS AND SO PARKING HERE MY DIFFICULT TO ALL THE WHILE MAKING THAT WE PROTECT THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOODS SO THAT FOLKS DON'T START PARKING ON NO PARKING STREETS AND IN PEOPLE'S DRIVEWAYS AND CAUSING AND WE CAN HAVE IT THAT I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THEN THEN THE WILD THINGS BEING USED FOR BUSINESSES SO I'M NOT SURE IF OFFENDED EVERYONE AT THIS POINT BUT IT'S CERTAINLY WAS SOMETHING THAT I THINK NEEDED TO BE SAID WITH REGARD TO PARKING AND OBSERVATIONS WITH BUSINESSES ACROSS IF I HAD MY DRUTHERS RATHER THAT CUSTOMERS
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AND EMPLOYEES DO NOT PAY FOR PARKING AND EMPLOYEES AS A CONSEQUENCE OF THAT HAVE TO PARK FAR AWAY AND TAKE A SHUTTLE IF THEY LIKE THAT WHICH I ASSUME MANY OF THEM WILL NOT THEY CAN PAY TO PARK CLOSE YEAH THAT'S MY DRUTHERS ARE. WELL ULTIMATELY AGAIN WE'RE NOT EXPECTING ANY KIND OF CONSENSUS TODAY. I THINK OUR GOAL TODAY WAS TO TEE UP THIS DISCUSSION BUT ULTIMATELY IN THE NEXT COMING MONTHS WE WILL NEED A DIRECTION FROM THE COMMITTEE THAT WE CAN THEN TAKE TO COUNCIL AND GET ULTIMATE APPROVAL ON TO IMPLEMENT AS PART OF THE PROGRAM. ALL RIGHT.SO MADAM CHAIR, I THINK THERE'S A FOURTH ISSUE THAT WE HAVEN'T TALKED ABOUT YET AND THAT IS CHAMPLIN AND RECREATIONAL LAKE . I'M SORRY, PATTY, THAT DIDN'T COME OUT CLEAR. KEN, CAN YOU REPEAT PLEASE? SURE.
I THINK THERE IS A FOURTH QUESTION THAT WE HAVE BEFORE US AND THAT IS CHAMPLIN PARK AND RECREATIONAL LEAD. THAT'S THE NEXT ONE. THAT'S IN I DON'T KNOW UP TO THAT ONE IN JUST A SECOND. I DO WANT TO TAKE AN OPPORTUNITY AND CHECK BECAUSE IF THERE CONSENSUS AMONG THE COMMITTEE DO YOU WANT TO STRIKE WHILE THE IRON IS HOT AND WE THEN GO AHEAD AND KIND OF LOCK THAT IN AND THEN FOCUS OUR TIME AND ATTENTION ON THE OTHER ISSUES IF THERE'S NOT CONSENSUS SO KNOWING WHAT MR. ORFORD SAID IN TERMS OF POSITION AS BECKER WHAT YOU'VE INDICATED IN TERMS OF YOUR THOUGHTS I DON'T KNOW IF THE REST OF THE COMMITTEE WOULD AGREE WITH THAT, DISAGREE WITH THAT BUT WANTED CHECK JUST IN CASE THERE IS CONSENSUS ON THAT ISSUE AT THIS POINT IN TIME I WILL ASK IF IF THERE'S A STRONG FEELING I'M RELUCTANT TO DO IT AT THIS MOMENT BECAUSE I KNOW THAT COUNCILMAN BROWN IS WAITING TILL THE END.
BUT IF YOU HAVE SOMETHING WITH REGARD TO THIS PARTICULAR QUESTION, I'M MORE THAN HAPPY TO EXPRESS MY POSITION ON EMPLOYEE SHUTTLE PARKING WHEN WE WRAP UP.
YES, SIR. RIGHT. LET'S GET TO THE FOURTH QUESTION AND WE'LL BE VISIT ABSOLUTELY EVERY TIME. ALL RIGHT.
SO THEN THE LAST CONSIDERATION WAS THIS POTENTIAL CONFLICT OF USES PARTICULARLY AT CHAPLAIN PARK AND SO IN LOOKING AT THIS SITUATION WE'VE COME UP WITH A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT OPTIONS THAT COMMITTEE COULD CONSIDER FROM A POLICY STANDPOINT.
SO THE FIRST WOULD BE THAT WE WOULD JUST ESSENTIALLY NOT PROVIDE FOR PARKING AT THIS LOCATION WHILE THERE IS ACTIVE RECREATIONAL PROGRAMING GOING ON.
AND WE KNOW THAT THAT'S IT'S RELATIVELY FIXED TO OCCUR ANYWHERE OUTSIDE OF MEMORIAL DAY TO LABOR DAY. IN TALKING WITH FRANK, THAT'S REALLY KIND THE BOOKENDS OF THEIR SEASON IN TERMS OF STARTING AT LABOR DAY AND ENDING MEMORIAL DAY.
SO KNOWING THAT INFORMATION WE WOULD THEN SET FORTH A PARKING FEES SCHEDULE ACCORDINGLY FOR THOSE TIMES THAT DON'T INCLUDE RECREATIONAL PROGRAMING. THE OTHER OPTION AND THIS IS NOT THE OPTION THAT WE'RE RECOMMENDING BUT IT'S AN OPTION IS AVAILABLE IF WANTED TO BE PURSUED IS THAT AS PART THE REGISTRATION PROCESS FOR THE SPORTS PROGRAMING WE COULD INFORMATION ABOUT LICENSE PLATES FOR HOUSEHOLDS AND WE WOULD HAVE TO DETERMINE THE NUMBER AND A NUMBER OF OTHER THINGS ESSENTIALLY THAT WE COULD DO IS THAT INFORMATION AND KNOWING THE TECHNOLOGY THAT THE PARKING MANAGEMENT PROGRAM HAS IN PLACE THEY COULD USE THAT TO ESSENTIALLY A DEDICATED PASS FOR SPORTS AND RECREATIONAL PARKING ASSOCIATED WITH THAT PROGRAMING. AND SO IF THAT'S CASE WE WOULD IMPLEMENT PAID PARKING YEAR ROUND BUT THOSE WHO HAVE REGISTERED THROUGH THE RECREATIONAL PROGRAM COULD HAVE A CERTAIN NUMBER OF LICENSE PLATES EXEMPTED IN ADDITION TO NOT BEING ABLE TO PARK IF YOU HAD A RESIDENT BEACH PARKING PASS AS WELL. BUT AGAIN THAT'S NOT THE OPTION THAT WE IT'S JUST IDENTIFYING THAT IT IS AN OPTION THAT COULD BE EXPLORED I'M GOING TO JUMP IN FIRST NO ONE MINDS THIS TIME ONLY BECAUSE MY CONCERN ABOUT IF POSSIBLE BUILDING IN AN OPPORTUNITY FOR RESIDENTS A PARKING PASSES WITH NO COST WHAT WOULD ALLEVIATE ISSUE CORRECT BECAUSE THEN ALL RESIDENTS WOULD HAVE A PARKING PASS SO WHERE REGARDLESS IF IT WAS MEMORIAL DAY AND LABOR DAY OR IF IT WAS 12 MONTHS OF THE YEAR THEY WOULD HAVE AMPLE OPPORTUNITY TO CORRECT THE ISSUES THAT WE COULD GET INTO WITH THAT ARE PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT RESIDENTS WHO WOULD COME FOR THAT PURPOSE IN THAT PROGRAMING.
BUT AGAIN IF YOU HAVE A VISITING SPORTS TEAMS, YOU HAVE GRANDPARENTS, YOU HAVE ALL OF US WHO PARK AS WELL. SO IS A QUESTION HOW TO RESOLVE THAT PORTION OF THE BIGGER ACTION. AND SO AGAIN THAT WOULD PROBABLY GO MORE TOWARDS OPTION TWO WHICH IS GATHERING REGISTERED LICENSE PLATES AS PART THAT PROGRAM.
OTHERWISE I THINK WHAT WE DO BUT YOU WOULDN'T HAVE THOSE REGISTERED LICENSE PLATES IF IT WAS A VISITING TEAM, CORRECT? WELL, I IN THEORY WE COULD GATHER THAT INFORMATION MAYBE
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WE JUST DON'T CHARGE FOR THEM AND THAT'S WHY WE GO BACK TO THE FIRST OPTION WHICH IS THE ONE THAT WE'RE RECOMMENDING WHICH IS DURING THAT TIMEFRAME IT'S PROBABLY JUST TO NOT CHARGE FOR PARKING. OKAY. I'M SORRY.I DON'T MEAN TO JUMP IN FIRST BUT BECAUSE IT COLLIDED WITH MY OTHER PRIORITY I WANTED TO ASK I KNOW IF YOU HAVE ANYTHING ON THIS ONE. OH I JUST LIKE YOUR LAST SUGGESTION OF NO FEE DURING ATHLETIC SEASON AT YES I AGREE THAT WAS THE OPTION I HAD CHOSEN IN A STAFF REPORT OPPORTUNITY IF WE'RE WAITING THIS IS THE LAST QUARTER ROUND IN I CAN JUMP IN NOW. YES I WOULD LET ME I'LL MAKE IT EASY FOR YOU.
I AGREE WITH THE SUGGESTION OF NOT CHARGING DURING THE SEASON AS WELL.
THIS SIR LET ME BACK UP AND SORT OF LOOK AT THIS AS TO THE WHY WHEN THIS TO SORT FOR DEMAND. RIGHT AND WE KNOW THAT PARTICULARLY IN THIS AREA YOU HAVE A SUPPLY. OKAY. SO BACK UP AS FAR AS HOW WE ARE DETERMINING THE COST OR THE RATE. OKAY.
IF YOU NEED TO SORT OF DEVELOP A 2024 BUDGET THAT WILL INCLUDE A LOT OF WHAT HAS BEEN DISCUSSED HERE TODAY AS FAR AS SOME OF THE OPERATIONAL THAT ARE GOING TO COME ALONG WITH.
OKAY. OKAY. I AGREE WITH THE AGGRESSIVE APPROACH OF WANTING TO BREAK EVEN. I WANT TO BREAK EVEN WITH SOME OF THE OTHER STUFF THAT WE SUGGESTED AS WELL. OKAY.
WHICH MAY MEAN A HIGHER RATE. YES, I'M DOING SOME ROUGH CALCULATIONS IN MY HEAD.
OKAY. AND I WOULD THEN MAKE THE ASSUMPTION THAT IF THERE IS A HIGHER RATE ASSOCIATED THEN WE DEFINITELY NEED TO HAVE A CAP ON THAT RATE.
ALL RIGHT. AND SO THAT SAME REALM OF THINKING LIKE FOR US TO GET OUT OF THE BOX ON THIS ONE. OKAY, UH, COUNCILMAN BECKMAN AS AS RESIDENTS MATTER RIGHT BUT THERE'S A POWER ALONG WITH THAT AS WELL WE WILL THEN HAVE TO PROCESS ONE OF THE LIKELY A LOT MORE REGISTRATIONS THAN WE ARE CURRENTLY AT. RIGHT.
OKAY. SO THAT'S ANOTHER PIECE THAT NEEDS TO BUDGETARY.
UM ARMADA'S LOOK AT THIS. UM, AS FAR AS THE PLACEMENT OF YOU THEY'RE VERY CLOSE TO HOW WE VIEW IN THE RESIDENCE LOOK AT THIS QUADRANT IS THE ECONOMIC DRIVERS NO QUESTION ABOUT THAT AND HERE WE ARE NOW ADDING ANOTHER REVENUE STREAM SO SPEAK IN THAT QUADRANT DON'T WANT TO HAVE HAPPEN IS THAT REVENUE STREAM SORT OF OFFSET SOME POTENTIAL INCREASES IN BUSINESS LICENSE UM THE PROPERTY TAXES THAT BUSINESS OWNERS PAY AND THAT SORT OF THING. SO TO ME THIS IDEA OF UH AVAILING MORE SUPPLY OFFSITE IS ONE THAT WE NEED TO CONSIDER IN OUR BUDGETARY DISCUSSION. WELL, UM, I LIKE THE EMPLOYEE SHUTTLE IDEA. UM, THAT'S OUT OF THE BOX. YES.
YOU WILL SEE THE OF THE PARKING LOT DURING THE WEEK BUT WHEN I WRITE ABOUT HERE DURING THE WEEK KNOW NOT A WHOLE LOT OF SPACE IS USED IN AS WELL. RIGHT SO I THINK THERE'S SOME OPPORTUNITY THERE BUT THEN YOU HAVE TO CONSIDER THE COST OF THE SHUTTLE AND IF YOU GOING TO DO THIS AT THIS RATE YOU HAVE TO HAVE MORE FREQUENT PIT STOPS OKAY IN ORDER TO COVER THOSE SHIFT CHANGES THAT COUNCIL MEMBER THEMSELVES. YES, RIGHT.
OKAY. SO THAT'S A PIECE THAT AT THE MOMENT IS NOT IN THAT BUDGET AND I THINK NEEDS TO BE THERE FOR US TO CONSIDER A RATE AND ALSO CONSIDER IF THAT'S THE DIRECTION THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO GO. UM, I CAN'T REALLY GET INTO THE WILD WINGS BUT I THINK THIS POTENTIALLY AN OPPORTUNITY BUT WE ARE LOOKING 2024 I'M NOT QUITE SURE THAT WE CAN HAVE WILD WINGS READY FOR THIS OPERATION BY 2024.
RIGHT. SO TO ME THAT'S SORT OF DOWN THE ROAD WE CAN LOOK AT THE RATES AS TO HOW WE ACCOMPLISHED IT AT THAT POINT THE UM, I GUESS THE ONLY OTHER THING THAT I'D ADD IS WE ARE LOOKING BE LARGE IN 2024. THAT'S CORRECT.
THAT IS OUR UNDERSTANDING THAT COUNCIL'S ASKED THAT STAFF PURSUE THIS FOR IMPLEMENTATION
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TO LET'S SAY MEMORIAL DAY 2024. UM BUT WHEN WE LOOK AT THE BUDGET LOOKING AT IT ON A FISCAL SO THIS IS BASED OFF THE FY 23 BUDGET AND SO HERE HERE BY JUNE WE'LL BE ABLE TO LOOK BACK AND SHOW WHAT THE FY 24 BUDGET WAS. OKAY.I JUST MENTIONED THAT BECAUSE THINK THAT THAT IT DOES HAVE SOME PLAY ON US CONSIDERING THE IN-SEASON RATE AND OUT OF RATE . OKAY JUST BECAUSE OF THE FISCAL OF IT. SO THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS I'M I'M IN SUPPORT OF THE PROGRAM.
OKAY. UM, I WILL SAY THAT AT POINT I WAS SORT OF PUSHING BACK ON IT BECAUSE WE DIDN'T HAVE THE DETAILS DIDN'T HAVE THE HISTORY THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT NOW ALTHOUGH WE STILL HAVE SOME GAPS BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THE DEVICES IN PLACE TO ANSWER SOME OF THE QUESTIONS THAT WE NEED ANSWERED TO ESTABLISH THE RATE. BUT I THINK WE'RE GETTING THE RIGHT SO FOR ME I GUESS THE REAL BIG THEMES YES, THE RESIDENTS DON'T NEED TO SUFFER BECAUSE OF THIS AND I THINK THAT HELPS IN CHAPLIN AS WELL AND THE BUSINESSES DON'T NEED TO SUFFER BECAUSE OF THIS BECAUSE WE'RE TRYING TO CONTROL DEMAND SO THOSE ARE COMMENTS HOPEFULLY WRAPPED UP IN A WAY THAT YES SIR. THE ONE THING IN RESPONSE THAT I WOULD POINT TO IN THAT BECAUSE I THINK WE'RE GOING TO COME BACK AT THE NEXT MEETING AND HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE IN-DEPTH DISCUSSION ABOUT WHAT THAT RATE SHOULD BE.
WE'VE KIND OF PROJECTED HERE THAT BASED UPON VARIOUS DOLLAR AMOUNTS KIND OF WHAT THE PROJECTED REVENUE WOULD BE AND THEN OBVIOUSLY IT'S BASED UPON THE SOME SAME UNDERLYING ASSUMPTIONS ABOUT THE AVAILABILITY PARKING SPACES, THE LENGTH OF TIME AND THEN THE AMOUNT OF THE LOT THAT'S USED TO KIND OF COME TO THOSE RESPONSES.
BUT I SAY THAT FOR ILLUSTRATIVE PURPOSES THAT IF WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT SOMETHING THAT'S BEYOND $1.30 TO ACCOUNT FOR OF THOSE OTHER PROJECTED EXPENSES THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE COMING UP NEXT YEAR, THIS KIND OF GIVES YOU AN IDEA OF WHAT THAT MAY LOOK LIKE SO AND YOU BRING GOOD POINT THERE, JOSH WHEN YOU WHEN YOU LOOK AT CHAPLIN FOR AN EXAMPLE AND JUST THE SCHEDULE BECAUSE OF THE AMOUNT OF PARKING SPACES IN CHAPLIN'S IT TENDS TO ACCOUNT FOR A LOT MORE OF THE REVENUE YES WE'RE SAYING WE'RE GOING TO BLOCK THAT OFF FOR CERTAIN TIME.
WELL THAT'S AN ADJUSTMENT. IT DEFINITELY WOULD HAVE TO BE MADE AS AS WHAT THEIR REASONS GOING TO BE. YES PROBABLY GOING TO BE HIGHER YEAH.
IS THAT IF IF THE POLICY DIRECTION AND AT THIS POINT I WOULD SAY BASED UPON THE FEEDBACK I'VE HEARD TODAY THE OPTION ONE WHICH IS NOT CHARGING THERE DURING THE ATHLETIC SEASON SEEMS TO HAVE CONSENSUS. SO WE'RE GOING TO TAKE AND LOCK THAT IN THAT WAY IT'S ONE LESS THING TO DISCUSS AT THE NEXT MEETING BUT THAT MEANS THAT WE WOULD NEED TO ADJUST THESE NUMBERS AND THEN ADJUST THAT RATE FOR THE BREAK EVEN.
SO I THINK THAT WE CAN AGREE THAT AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG THAT YES, YOU DO HAVE A CONSENSUS THAT NOT CHARGING A CHAPLIN DURING THIS OR IT'S DURING THIS WINTER MONTHS IS IS SOMETHING WE'VE AGREED ON SO GOOD FOR THAT AND I THINK WE'VE ALSO AGREED AND THANK YOU ALEX FOR YOUR THOUGHTS THAT THERE ARE A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT AREAS IN TERMS OF THAT EXPENSE THAT WE NEED TO GO BACK AND INCORPORATE AN ESTIMATE SO THAT WE HAVE A BETTER IDEA OF THE BIGGER NUMBER. YEAH OKAY. I THINK IT'S A DOLLAR 30 PLUS DEPRECIATION PLUS OF THE COST OF MENTIONING THIS WILL WE'LL PREPARE KIND OF AN OUTLINE BREAKDOWN IN THE BUDGET SCHEDULE WILL INCLUDE DEPRECIATION FOR THE ASSETS AND THEN WE'LL ALSO LOOK AT THE INCREASED COSTS WOULD BE TO EXPAND THE PARK AND RIDE SYSTEM AT USC B BECAUSE RIGHT NOW WE DO ONLY PROVIDE THAT ON THE WEEKEND I IT'S FRIDAY, SATURDAY, SUNDAY AND SO IF WE'RE GOING TO DO IT ALL THE WEEK WE WOULD HAVE TO ADD ADDITIONAL ROUTES AND TRIPS WHICH WE CAN CERTAINLY DO BUT WE NEED TO INCORPORATE THAT EXPENSE POINT AND SO WHEN YOU'RE DOING THAT YOU SEE WHAT THE DIFFERENT COST IS SEVEN DAYS VERSUS THOSE EXPANDED ON THE WEEKENDS AND WHAT FIVE DAYS WOULD BE AND THEN ADDITIONAL ENFORCEMENT AS WELL AND TAKING OUT THE RESIDENT PARKING PASSES AS WELL AS WHATEVER WAS CALCULATED AND HERE IN TERMS OF REVENUE THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN OTHERWISE GENERATED BY THOSE RESIDENTS USING THAT. SO WHATEVER THAT NUMBER MIGHT BE WHO'S DOING THESE GUESSES BUT I'M GLAD IT'S NOT ME BUT WE HAVE FINANCIAL MINDS AROUND HERE SO ANYTHING STEVE WITH REGARD TO THAT FROM YOUR HEAD OF ONE OF THE THING IS THE MAXIMUM YES $15 RECORDS WITH ROUGHLY 12 HOURS AND AN HOURLY RATE AT AN HOURLY RATE OF $1.30 AND A THIRD.
YEAH, I WOULD TELL YOU THAT COULD SAY YEAH I LIKE 15 BUT YEAH COME BACK WITH A RATE
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HIGHER THAN 130 AND MAYBE 20 WELL THAT'S IT. SO I THINK WE'RE DEFINITELY TO HAVE TO ADJUST THE DOLLAR 30 TO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT NOT CHARGING AT CHAPLIN JUST GOING TO AUTOMATICALLY ADJUST THAT SCHEDULE AND THEN TO INCLUDE THOSE ADDITIONAL COSTS IF WE'RE GOING TO RECOVER THE REVENUE THAT WAS OTHERWISE GENERATED FROM THE RESIDENT PASS INCREASE THE IN THE ADDITIONAL PARKING REVENUE THAT WE WOULD NOT RECOGNIZE BECAUSE WHEN YOU AWAY THAT CHARGE WE WOULD EXPAND PRESUMABLY THE NUMBER OF RESIDENTS WHO WOULD APPLY FOR A PASS AND THEN IF YOU INCLUDE OF THE PROPOSED CAPITAL EXPENSES AND OPERATIONAL INCREASES THAT'S GOING TO DRIVE A WHOLE NEW BUDGET WHICH WE WOULD THEN TRY TO BACK INTO WITH A NEW HOURLY FIGURE AND IT'S PROBABLY GOING TO BE SOMEWHERE UPWARDS OF $2 AN HOUR, MAYBE A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN THAT BUT WE'LL PREPARE A SCHEDULE THAT KIND OF SHOWS THAT AND BRING IT BACK TO YOU AT THE NEXT MEETING. I THINK A QUESTION LIKE THIS ALONG WITH THOSE RESIDENT PASSES IS THAT WE USE OUR DEFINITION OF A RESIDENT SO THAT'S WHY I INCLUDED THAT IN YOUR THIS RESOLUTION THAT WAS ADOPTED HERE WE GOT A 2022 OR FIVE THAT SET FORTH THE DEFINITION OF WHO QUALIFIES AS A RESIDENT SO I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WAS IN THERE AS A REMINDER ABOUT WE HAVE DEFINED THAT PERSON AND HERE'S HOW WE DEFINE IT. OKAY OKAY. OKAY.PATSY, DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING WITH REGARD TO THAT DISCUSSION YOU WANTED ADD YES.
WITH REGARD TO THE RESIDENT PATHS OF THAT I LIKE THE IDEA OF EITHER A NO OR THE CALL SO THAT MORE RESIDENTS CAN HAVE PASSES FOR THE BEACH AREAS. I'D BE CURIOUS TO KNOW WHAT THE EXACT REVENUE AMOUNT WAS FOR THE LAST TWO YEARS FOR RESIDENT PASSES AND I GUESS YOU'RE GOING PROVIDE US WITH THAT ALONG WITH THOSE CALCULATIONS. AND THE OTHER THING IS THAT I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'VE COME TO SOME SORT OF CONSENSUS ON WHAT TO DO ABOUT EMPLOYEE PARKING THAN MAYBE LOOKING AT A SHUTTLE OPTION. BUT AS FAR AS MY VIEW RIGHT NOW ,THE LEAST AMOUNT I WOULD AGREE TO IS A SMALL NUMBER OF PARKING PASSES FOR FOR A YEAR AND CERTAINLY, YOU KNOW, ANYTHING LIKE A MULTIPLIER OF 150 BUSINESSES CLAIMS TO HAVE ALWAYS IS THAT TAKES UP PRETTY MUCH THE WHOLE PARKING AREA OF 399 BUT YOU KNOW A 10% OF 399 WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, 40 SPACES. SO I MIGHT LOOK AT MAYBE 25 PARKING PASSES FOR EMPLOYEES WITHIN OUR EXISTING PARKING AND 399 BUT THAT'S THE AND THEN YOU KNOW, MAYBE THE BUSINESSES HAVE A LOTTERY OR SOMETHING TO SEE WHO GETS A PARKING PASS THAT YEAR. BUT THAT'S THE THAT'S THE ONLY THINKING I RIGHT NOW ABOUT EMPLOYEE PASSES I CAN JUMP IN JUST QUICKLY ON THAT LAST POINT I PREFER SOME SIMPLICITY NOT PASSES WHEN THE BOYS WHO PARKED FOR FREE WAY OFF WILL BE SELF-SELECTING DON'T TO VERIFY WHETHER THEY'RE REALLY EMPLOYEES OR NOT. I GOT UP JUST AFTER THAT JUST TO GIVE A LITTLE DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE HERE IF IT NEEDS TO BE AS SIMPLE AS POSSIBLE BUT AS A BUSINESS OWNER IN THIS QUADRANT RIGHT A PARKING SPACE IS ALL VALUABLE.
OKAY. AND I DON'T REMEMBER WHAT THE TOTAL NUMBER IS AND THAT THAT QUADRANT JOSH BUT THE BOTTOM LINE IS YOU HAVE A MULTIPLY OF ONE OR TWO EMPLOYEES PER IT IS VALUABLE SPACE AND EMPLOYEE PARKING THAT SPACE PROBABLY HAS 0 TO 10% CHANCE OF THEM SPENDING MONEY WITHIN THAT QUADRANT. IF A CUSTOMER OR VEHICLE OR PARKS FACILITIES YOU PROBABLY GOT A 5050 CHANCE THAT THEY'RE GOING TO SPEND MONEY IN THAT QUADRANT. RIGHT SO THAT'S BUT THERE MAY NOT BE AN EMPLOYEE TO SERVE THEM. ARE YOU GOING BUT I THINK YOUR POINT'S WELL TAKEN.
I THINK THAT YOU CAN LOOK AT IT WAY IT'S MUCH MORE POSITIVE IMPACT ON THE BUSINESSES.
BUT LET US DO THIS GENERAL WORK TO SEE IF WE CAN IDENTIFY A FIXED NUMBER OF SPACES AT UCB THAT THEY WOULD FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH IF WE WENT TO A SEVEN DAY A WEEK AND THEN WE CAN ALSO GET THE INFORMATION FROM PALMETTO BREEZE WHO PROVIDES THE SHUTTLE SERVICE JUST ON WHAT BECAUSE WE PAY THEM ON AN HOURLY BASIS SO WE CAN PROVIDE YOU THAT INFORMATION. SAY IF WE GO FROM X NUMBER OF HOURS A WEEK A MONTH TO THIS NUMBER OF HOURS THIS IS WHAT THE COST WOULD BE. AND I THINK IN TERMS OF HIS IDEA I LIKE THAT AND I THINK WE ARE DEVELOPING A CONSENSUS REGARD TO OFF SITE EMPLOYEE PARKING SUCH THAT WE CAN ARRANGE IT AND ASSIST WITH AN ALREADY EXISTING SHUTTLE LOGISTICS IT BUT TO AS HIS POINT WITH REGARD TO YOU KNOW THOSE PASSES I WOULDN'T WANT TO GO DOWN THAT ROAD WITHOUT HAVING A SURVEY FROM EACH ONE OF THE EMPLOYEE'S EMPLOYERS
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THEIR WITH REGARD HOW MANY EMPLOYEES AND WHAT THEIR SCHEDULES ARE WHICH MAKES NOT SIMPLE AND IN THIS IT'S DEVELOPING AS A CONSENSUS IS SIMPLE SO SO I LIKE THAT IDEA IF WE CAN WE CAN PUT THAT DOWN I THINK WE'RE WORKING ON SOMETHING WITH REGARD TO THE MAXIMUM AMOUNT EVEN THE HOURLY AMOUNT I THINK THAT THAT'S GOING TO WAIT UNTIL WE GET MORE DATA FROM YOU AND WHAT ELSE SO WHERE ELSE ARE WE LOOKING FOR ANSWERS TODAY WITH REGARD TO WHAT CONSENSUS WE CAN BRING BEING TO HELP YOU GUYS OUT? I MEAN THOSE WERE THE FOUR QUESTIONS WE'VE GOTTEN A SOLID ANSWER TO. I THINK ONE OF THE FOUR QUESTIONS THE OTHERS ARE SOMEWHAT INTERTWINED WITH OTHER BECAUSE THE BUDGET IS A RESPONSE TO THE SERVICE THAT WE PROVIDE THE EMPLOYEES AND THEN THE BREAK EVEN RATE IS A RESPONSE TO THE BUDGET AND SO I THINK WE'LL HAVE TO GET SOME ADDITIONAL INFORMATION AND BRING IT BACK TO YOU BEFORE WE KIND OF NARROW ON THOSE THE ANSWERS TO THOSE OTHER THREE QUESTION AND HOW DOES THAT LOOK FOR TIMING FOR YOU IN TERMS OF OUR GOAL BEING READY FOR THE SEASON? YOU KNOW, IF WE CAN BRING SOMETHING BACK TO YOU IN JANUARY AND, HAVE SOME SOLID INPUT COMING OUT OF COMMITTEE TO COUNCIL THAT MEANS WE WOULD BE IN PLACE TO ADOPT THE ORDINANCE AND THEN THE RESOLUTE IN MARCH WHICH WOULD THEN GIVE US TIME TO IMPLEMENT IT PRIOR TO START OF THE BUSY SEASON. AND YOU COMFORTABLE WITH THAT THAT FRAME? YES, MA'AM. IF THE COMMITTEE IS WILLING TO MOVE THE POLICY QUESTIONS AT THE NEXT MEETING IN JANUARY. OKAY.AND IF NECESSARY I'M GOING TO ASK YOUR COMMITTEE MEMBERS IF NECESSARY IF WE NEEDED TO HAVE A SPECIAL WE WOULD BE AGREEABLE TO GETTING BACK UP HERE AND AND HELPING OUT TO MAKE SURE THAT HAPPENS. SO EVERYONE OKAY? YES, YES, YES.
OKAY. ANYTHING ELSE FOR US TODAY? DON'T KNOW WHAT TO THINK MAC FOR BEING I CAN TELL YOU THE BACKBONE OF ALL THIS DATA CAME FROM A LOT OF HIS RESEARCH AND I APPRECIATE HIM CONTINUING TO BE A PART OF THIS PROJECT. THANK YOU MAN.
I JUST WANTED TO THAT I THOUGHT THE BOTH THE WRITTEN AND ORAL PRESENTATIONS TODAY WERE EXCELLENT. THANK YOU. THAT'S ALL RIGHT.
ARE THERE ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS WITH REGARD TO THE H PARKING PROPOSALS THAT WE'VE DISCUSSED HERE TODAY? OH ALL RIGHT THEN. WE STAND ADJOURNED.
MERRY CHRISTMAS, EVERYONE. I'LL BE ALL RIGHT. BUT I AM GOING TO TAKE THOSE BABIES
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.