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UM, WE'LL START AS USUAL WITH, UH, THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.
AND THE FLAGS OVER THERE IN THE CORNER, I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
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WE HAVE AN AGENDA IN FRONT OF US.
I'D LIKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE AGENDA.
WE HAVE THE MINUTES OF NOVEMBER 9TH LAST WEEK.
UM, I'VE TAKEN A LOOK AT THEM.
UH, I NEED A MOTION TO APPROVE THOSE MINUTES.
BERNIE WANTS TO MAKE A SECOND.
UM, ANYBODY SEE ANYTHING THEY NEED TO FIX? IF NOT, I'M GONNA ASK FOR A VOTE TO APPROVE.
UM, EVERYONE ELSE, I'M GONNA START BY, UM, SIMPLY SAYING THAT WE MADE A LOT OF PROGRESS LAST WEEK.
UH, AND, UM, UH, I THINK JARED HAS GOT KIND OF UP ON THE SCREEN.
WE'VE KIND OF, UH, LAID OUT WHAT WE, UH, ESSENTIALLY CAME TO, WHICH WAS 15 YEARS, ASSUME A 5% GROWTH.
UM, AND, UH, AND THEN WHAT HE DID WAS GO THROUGH THE PROJECTS AND, UM, AND USING THE SAME, ESSENTIALLY THE SAME PERCENTAGE APPROACH FOR THE GENERAL IN GENERAL THAT WE HAVE ON THE ORIGINAL PROPOSAL.
BRINGING THAT DOWN SO HE GETS TO SEE, UH, HOW MUCH MONEY WE'RE DEALING WITH FOR EACH OF THESE PROJECTS.
UM, SO JARED, DO YOU WANT TO CHAT AT ALL ABOUT WHAT WE'RE DEALING WITH HIM BACK IN THE GO THROUGH JUST A LITTLE BIT AND THEN HAND IT BACK TO YOU GUYS? SO, BASED OFF THE LAST WEEK, WE MOVED THE BIG FRY JUST TO THE TOP.
WE TOOK THE 10% OUT UNDER AND WE PUT IT INTO, UM, BIGGER PROJECTS OR THE PROGRAM PROJECTS I WAS GETTING MIXED UP ON.
IF I'M WRONG, I'LL TAKE CORRECTION.
UM, SO 40% OUT OF 1.625 BILLION GETS A 650 MILLION.
UM, THESE ARE THE PROJECTS THAT EQUALS 445 MILLION.
SO THE DIFFERENCE THEN IS THE 205 MILLION.
AND THEN ON THE PROGRAM PROJECTS, UM, HAVE IT 55%, SO 895 MILLION.
AND WE HAVEN'T, WE HAVEN'T, UM, CHANGED ANY OF THESE PERCENTAGES OF THAT.
AND THEN GREENBELT'S AT 5% IS, IS 80 MILLION.
THE OTHER TASK THAT DEAN U HAD ASKED TO TAKE A LOOK AT IS A LITTLE BIT, WHAT ABOUT THESE PROJECTS? WHAT WOULD THOSE PROJECTS LOOK LIKE? JUST SOME EXAMPLES.
SO NEXT PAGE, JUST TO GO THROUGH A FEW, THESE ARE NOT A FULL LIST.
THESE ARE, LIKE I SAID, JUST EXAMPLES.
UM, SO SAFETY TRAFFIC, WHAT DO WE IMAGINE ON TYPES OF PROJECTS? SO THOSE ARE INTERSECTION IMPROVEMENTS OR SPOT TURN, LANE IMPROVEMENTS.
UM, REBO DRIVE, REBO ROAD AND LADIES ISLAND DRIVE.
THAT $2 MILLION IS, UM, PART OF THE REIMAGINE REBO THAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT A LOT.
THERE'S A, A KIND OF SHORT TERM RIGHT FREE FLOW RIGHT TURN LANE AT ADVANCED AUTO PARTS THERE.
UM, IT'S ABOUT A MILLION DOLLARS IN, IN WORK AND THEN SOME RIGHT OF WAY IN UTILITY COSTS.
SO $2 MILLION, UM, AT 2 78 IN GUMTREE AS PART OF THE BRIDGE PROJECT.
AND THE RECOMMENDATIONS OUT THE LATEST,
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A LATEST, UM, INDEPENDENT REVIEW, THEY SAID, HEY, IF YOU MAKE A FEW CHANGES AT GUMTREE, THAT'LL KIND OF FLEE UP, FREE UP SOME OF THAT FLOW THROUGH THERE BECAUSE, UH, THERE'S ONLY TWO LANES INSTEAD OF THREE LANES FLOWING THROUGH THAT INTERSECTION.AND SO JUST SMALL, UM, LITTLE IMPROVEMENTS THAT WOULD MAKE A SIGNIFICANT, UH, AMOUNT OF, OF SAFETY OR TRAFFIC ENHANCEMENT.
AND THEN THIS IS NOT A SPECIFIC PROJECT, BUT THIS IS AN EXAMPLE.
SO BACK NORTH OF THE BROAD ON ONE 70 THERE AT WALMART, UM, AND PARIS ISLAND GATEWAY, ABOUT SIX, WELL, MAYBE A YEAR AGO, UM, DOT CAME IN, THIS IS NOT A COUNTY PROJECT, BUT DOT CAME IN AND PUT THOSE, UH, CONCRETE MEDIANS IN, IN THE MIDDLE.
UM, BUT THEY'RE EFFECTIVE IN, WHAT THEY WERE TRYING TO DO IS KEEP PEOPLE FROM TAKING LIFTS OUT OF WALMART, UM, AND OUT OF THE DRIVEWAYS CLOSE TO THE INTERSECTION SO THE INTERSECTION FLOWS BETTER, AND TO GET RID OF SOME, UM, CONFLICT POINTS.
UM, SO THAT WOULD BE A SAFETY TYPE PROJECT THAT'S REALLY LOW COST, PRETTY EASILY RED, READILY ACCESSIBLE.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO GET MAJOR PERMITTING.
UM, AND IT MADE A PRETTY SUBSTANTIAL DIFFERENCE AS FAR AS FLOW THROUGH THERE.
AGAIN, IT'S NOT NECESSARILY PRETTY, WE COULD DO MORE ON THE PRETTY SIDE, BUT A PROJECT LIKE THAT IS KIND OF IN THAT 350 TO $500,000 BALL FRAME.
YOU'RE SAYING INTRODUCE THOSE TO THE OTHER SIDE OF IT? I MEAN, 'CAUSE THE ONES, NO, I'M NOT SAYING INTRODUCE ANYMORE.
I'M JUST KIND OF USING THAT AS AN, AS AN IDEA.
EVERYBODY'S THAT'S DRIVEN THROUGH THERE CAN RECOGNIZE THAT.
AND THAT WOULD BE, THAT WOULD QUALIFY AS LIKE A SAFETY PROJECT.
THAT'S, SO THESE WOULD BE THINGS THAT WE COULD, WE COULD DO ALL OVER THE COUNTY.
UM, SOMEBODY MAKES A CALL NEXT WEEK AND SAYS, HEY, THIS INTERSECTION NEEDS IMPROVEMENT.
WE CAN GRAB FUNDS FROM IT AND, AND QUICKLY AND EFFECTIVELY MAKE SIGNIFICANT IMPROVEMENT THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY AT SPOT INTERSECTIONS AND STUFF.
SO THESE ARE, THESE ARE EXAMPLES OF ACTUAL PROJECTS THAT FIT INTO THOSE BUCKETS.
AND KIND OF THE PRICE RANK NOW, I WOULDN'T SEE, UM, LIKE $20 MILLION PROJECTS OUTTA HERE, BUT YOU MIGHT HAVE A $5 MILLION INTERSECTION.
UM, AND WE CAN DEVELOP CRITERIA ON HOW THAT GETS SELECTED.
SO IT'S NOT JUST, UH, SOMEBODY CALLS UP AND THEN WE PUT IT IN FRONT OF THEIR HOUSE AND THEY'VE GOT A STOPLIGHT TYPE THING.
CAN YOU, YOU'RE GOING TO DISCUSS THE PAVEMENT RESURFACING.
ANY, ANY MORE ON SAFETY KIND OF THOUGHTS? CAROL SUNSET BOULEVARD.
THAT'S ANOTHER ONE I DIDN'T PUT ON THERE.
SO, UM, WE HAVE A PLAN TO DO SOME SAFETY ENHANCEMENTS FOR THE ENTIRE LENGTH OF SUNSET.
UM, RIGHT NOW THE, THE 2018 PLANS HAS SUNSET AND MILLER, BUT IT DOESN'T CONTINUE DOWN SUNSET.
SO WE'VE DONE SOME WORK WITH DOT ON SOME TRAFFIC CALMING THAT WOULD BE ONE THAT WOULD FIT IN IN THAT, THIS TYPE OF BUCKET.
SO I JUST WANT TO GO BACKWARD WHEN YOU SAID, UH, WE'RE SHOWING THIS TO THE PUBLIC AS AN IDEA OF WHAT YOUR MONEY WOULD BE USED FOR IN EACH BUCKET, RIGHT? MM-HMM.
AND I ASSUME THAT YOU'RE NOT GONNA RECREATE THE WHEEL.
YOU'RE JUST GONNA TAKE WHAT CHARLESTON DID.
'CAUSE WE HEARD FROM THAT FELLA, I CAN'T REMEMBER HIS NAME.
'CAUSE HE SAID WE HAD REAL TROUBLE WITH THAT.
BUT WHEN WE HAD A, WE, WE SET UP A PROCESS, THEN IT BECAME RATHER EASY TO PICK AND CHOOSE WHICH PROJECTS WE WOULD JUST BE KIND OF CLONING THEIRS.
WELL, CLONING SLASH EDITING AS WE SEE FIT.
SO THEY, THEY HAD THEIR CRITERIA IF THAT CRITERIA IS IMPORTANT TO US.
UM, AND TO ME, I WOULD SEE THIS FROM Y'ALL'S SEAT WHERE Y'ALL ARE SITTING, UM, Y'ALL ARE MAKING A RECOMMENDATION TO COUNCIL, THIS IS THE PROJECT LIST.
IF YOU DO THIS PROGRAM AND WE'RE GOING THROUGH KIND OF PROJECTS THAT WOULD FIT IN THE PROGRAM, I THINK A GOOD RECOMMENDATION OR SUGGESTION WOULD TO PUT THAT BACK ON COUNTY COUNCIL TO YOU GUYS, WORK THROUGH YOUR COMMITTEE TO FIGURE OUT WHAT PRIORITIES ARE IMPORTANT TO YOU.
UM, BECAUSE AT THE END OF THE DAY, THEY'RE THE ONES THAT ARE APPROVING THE PROJECTS THAT'LL BE COMING THROUGH.
UM, SO IF THEY WANT INTERSECTIONS MORE THAN TURN LIENS, THEN THEY WOULD PRIORITIZE THAT IN HOWEVER THEY RANK A PROJECT.
BUT I THINK THAT WE ARE ADVISING
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THAT COUNTY COUNCIL, OKAY, WE THINK YOU SHOULD DO OR WHATEVER, A A PENNY SALES TAX, AND THIS IS HOW WE SHOULD PRESENT IT TO THE, TO THE PUBLIC.I DO THINK THAT THE PUBLIC SHOULD BE, WE, I THINK THE COUNTY COUNCIL SHOULD ADOPT OR DO SOMETHING SIMILAR TO WHAT JIM TALKED ABOUT SO THAT THE PUBLIC ARE ASSURED IT'S NOT GOING TO BE MM-HMM.
OR, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? RIGHT.
IT HAS TO BE, THIS IS THE PROCESS WHICH IT GOES, WE, WE HAVE A TICK LIST OF POINTS AND THE ONES WITH THE MOST POINTS GETS IT, IT DOESN'T MATTER WHO'S IT IS.
SO THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT THAT THE PUBLIC KNOW THAT BECAUSE I, I'VE BEEN THE ONE TO TELL EVERYONE THAT THE PUBLIC DOES NOT HAVE TRUST IN THE COUNTY COUNCIL AS IT IS.
AND SO I THINK IF WE, IF WE PUT THAT AS A RECOMMENDATION, THE COUNTY, THAT'S IMPORTANT TO ME.
'CAUSE OTHERWISE PEOPLE AREN'T GOING TO, THEY'RE NOT GONNA GIVE MONEY FOR A BUCKET.
I DON'T KNOW WHERE YOU GUYS ARE SITTING AND THE TIME COMMITMENT THAT Y'ALL ARE UNDER THAT THIS GROUP HAS TIME TO DEVELOP THAT CRITERIA, BUT TO TELL COUNTY COUNCIL BEFORE Y'ALL GO TO NOVEMBER, Y'ALL NEED TO HAVE A CRITERIA THAT THE PUBLIC CAN BE COMFORTABLE WITH.
ANY, ANY MORE ON SAFETY? THE ONLY THING I WOULD SUGGEST WOULD BE THAT TO THE EXTENT WE HAVE THIS, UM, WE, WE ENSURE EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS THESE ARE EXAMPLES.
RIGHT? THESE ARE NOT, WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT NECESSARILY ADVOCATING ANY OF THESE PARTICULAR PROJECTS, BUT THESE ARE EXAMPLES OF THE KINDS OF PROJECTS THAT WOULD FIT INTO THESE CATEGORIES.
SO THE PUBLIC WOULD HAVE AN UNDERSTANDING, OH, I GET IT.
I'M VOTING YES OR NO FOR THIS BUCKET.
AND THAT BUCK WOULD, WOULD DO THESE TYPES OF THINGS, RIGHT? YEAH.
AND SO REBA ROAD WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH THAT INDEX AND SEE WHERE IT RANKS RELATIVE TO GUMTREE.
SO QUESTION, WHAT IS LIKE LIGHTNING LIGHTING, LIKE LIGHTS ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD OR LIGHTS ON, LIKE THE WALKING BRIDGE OR WHATEVER.
WHERE DOES THAT FALL IN? SO THERE'S SOME THINGS THAT COULD FALL IN A COUPLE DIFFERENT BUCKETS.
SO THAT COULD BE IN SAFETY OR THAT COULD BE IN PATHWAYS AND, AND YEAH.
IT COULD, IT COULD FALL EITHER WAY.
A LOT OF, CAROL AND I ARE TALKING ABOUT THIS DRIVING HERE.
WE RODE DOWN BUCK WALTER AND BLUFFTON PARKWAY, AND THERE'S NOT ONE STITCH OF LIGHTING ON THAT.
PEOPLE WERE USING IT LIKE, HEY, BUT I'M SURE RIGHT NOW NOBODY'S ON IT.
THAT'S WHERE SAFETY COMES IN BECAUSE NOW WE'VE CREATED AN ASSET THAT'S A REALLY GREAT ASSET.
NOW WE'VE EXTENDED IT AND CREATED A SAFER, SAFER FUNCTION OF USING THAT ASSET.
UM, PAVEMENT AND RESURFACING AND PRES PAVEMENT, RESURFACING AND PRESERVATION.
SO WE HAVE SOME EXISTING PAVEMENT PROGRAMS. UM, WHICH, SO RATHER THAN RECREATE THE WHEEL BACK TO WHAT YOU JUST SAID, CAROL, THERE'S SORT OF SOME PROGRAMS THAT ARE ALREADY ESTABLISHED THAT HAVE INDEXES ALREADY BUILT INTO 'EM.
AND SO THE INTENT WOULD BE THAT WE WOULD BASICALLY POUR MORE FUEL INTO THOSE PROGRAMS. AND SO CURRENTLY, UM, MS. TAVER, NICK SITS AS A LIAISON TO THE CTC COMMITTEE AND THEY GET ABOUT $4 MILLION A YEAR, THREE TO $4 MILLION A YEAR, WHICH COMES FROM GAS TAX, TOTALLY SEPARATE FROM SALES TAX, BUT THEY USE THAT TO FUND LOCAL PAVING PROJECTS.
MOST OF IT IS ON COUNTY OWNED ASSETS, BUT SOME OF IT IS ON DOT OWNED ASSETS.
THAT'S JUST THEIR RULES OF ENGAGEMENT.
SO EACH YEAR WE PUT OUT ABOUT A $6 MILLION PAVING PROJECT.
WE HAVE A FIVE YEAR PAVING PLAN ON THE COUNTY OWNED ROADS.
UM, AND WHAT WE'VE DONE, OUR ROADS ARE BASICALLY IN A PRETTY GOOD CONDITION.
THE COUNTY OWNED ROADS, NOT THE DOT, SOME OF THEIRS ARE OKAY, BUT, UM, THEY HAVE A LOT MORE ROADS TO TAKE CARE OF.
SO, UM, SO WE COULD ADD TO THAT TO KEEP THOSE ROADS THAT WE OWN AND MAINTAIN IN GOOD AND GREAT CONDITION.
WHAT WE'VE DONE, YOU SEE MILL REFILL, UH, MICROSURFACES AND REJUVENATOR.
SO IN THE PAST, BEFORE WE HAD A, A YEARLY PROGRAM, WE ASSESSED ALL THE ROADS AND WE SAID, THESE ARE THE ROADS THAT NEED ATTENTION TODAY, TOMORROW, AND THE NEXT
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DAY.BEFORE WE HAD THAT, WE WOULD JUST GO OUT EVERY TIME, PICK SOME ROADS THAT WERE IN BAD SHAPE, MILL 'EM, AND PUT MORE ASPHALT.
NOW WE WEREN'T KEEPING THE GOOD ROADS IN GOOD CONDITION.
WE WERE JUST REPAIRING THE BAD ROADS.
AND SO YOU NEVER GET AHEAD PAVEMENT PRESERVATION IS ABOUT DOING THE RIGHT TREATMENT ON THE RIGHT ROAD AT THE RIGHT TIME.
SO IF YOU ONLY FOCUS ON THE BAD ROADS, YOU'RE SPENDING THE MOST MONEY AND YOU'RE LETTING THE GOOD ROADS SLIP THROUGH YOUR FINGERS.
SO NOW THAT WE HAVE OUR ROADS IN A FAIR TO GOOD CONDITION, WE CAN FILTER IN THESE PRESERVATION TECHNIQUES.
SO THE MICROSURFACES LIKE A A HALF INCH OR A THREE QUARTER INCH, UH, MIX THAT GOES OVER THE TOP AND IT BASICALLY SEALS A GOOD ROAD.
YOU DON'T PUT IT ON A BAD ROAD.
YOU PUT IT ON A ROAD THAT'S FAIRLY NEW, MAYBE SOME MINOR CRACKS, AND IT SEALS THOSE SO WATER DOESN'T PENETRATE AND MAKE THE, THE ASPHALT DETERIORATE FURTHER.
AND THEN REJUVENATOR, UM, WE'VE STARTED THIS TWO YEARS.
NOW YOU PUT THIS ON A BRAND NEW ROAD.
SO YOU PAVE IT THIS YEAR, UH, EITHER THE NEXT YEAR OR THE FOLLOWING YEAR.
YOU SPRAY IT, IT LOOKS LIKE A ASPHALT SPRAY, AND THEN, UM, IT GOES ON PINK AND IT DRIES, DRIES CLEAR, AND BASICALLY IT DIVES INTO THE, THE COMPONENTS, UM, OF THE ASPHALT AND HAS A CHEMICAL REACTION AND REJUVENATES THE ASPHALT CONTENT SO THAT IT STAYS FLEXIBLE LONGER.
SO THAT IS BY FAR THE CHEAPEST OPPORTUNITY TO KEEP THE ROAD IN GOOD CONDITION.
SO, UM, SO WE HAVE A PROGRAM, SO BASICALLY THIS PAVEMENT PRESERVATION WOULD BE HELPING ADD TO THAT PROGRAM AND KEEP THOSE ROADS IN GOOD CONDITIONS.
ALSO EXPAND THE PROGRAM BEYOND JUST COUNTY ROADS, BUT TO ALL ROADS.
PEOPLE DON'T KNOW WHETHER THEY'RE DRIVING ON A COUNTY ROAD, ADOT ROAD, A CITY ROAD.
SO THE GOAL WOULD BE, THIS IS MY GOAL, JARED FRITZ'S GOAL IS I DON'T WANNA BE A POTHOLE IN BEAUFORT COUNTY.
AND AS SOON AS YOU GET ACROSS FROM JASPER COUNTY OR FROM COLTON COUNTY, I WANT YOUR TIRES TO SOUND.
YOU GO RUMBLE, RUMBLE, RUMBLE, BABU, AND THEN SMOOTH THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE COUNTY.
UM, SO THIS WOULD BE DOING THE SAME SYSTEM AS MUCH AS WE CAN TO SUPPORT DOT PROJECTS AS WELL.
WHEN I SEE THEM INJECTING THAT, INJECTING SOME EPOXY IN THE ROADS.
WHAT IS THAT? LIKE A BLACK, UM, INTO THE CRACK.
SO THAT'S A CRACK SEAL BONES, WHAT, WHAT THAT IS, THAT'S KIND OF IN BETWEEN NUMBER TWO AND NUMBER THREE.
UM, WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO DO IS KEEP WATER OUT OF THE SUBSTRUCTURE, BECAUSE THAT'S WHEN YOU GET A POTHOLE.
UM, SO BY FILLING IN THE CRACKS, IT BASICALLY SEALS IN THE TOP OF THE ROAD.
NOW IT'S UGLY, BUT IT'S A CHEAP PREVENTATIVE MAINTENANCE.
UH, A LOT OF TIMES YOU'LL SEE 'EM COME OVER THAT AND, UH, IF THEY'VE GOT THE MONEY THE FOLLOWING YEAR WITH A LAYER OF ASPHALT.
UM, AND THEN SAME THING, LIKE I SAID, ADD REJUVENATOR, WHAT DOT? THEY'VE GOT MORE ROADS THAN THEY HAVE MONEY.
AND SO YOU'LL SEE 'EM PAVE A BRAND NEW ROAD, A BIG SECTION OF ROAD, UM, AND THEN THEY REALLY DON'T TOUCH IT UNTIL IT NEEDS COMPLETELY RESURFACED.
SO THE GOAL WOULD BE THAT WE COME ALONG DOT WITH THIS REJUVENATOR, WHICH IS THE CHEAPEST THING, UM, AND SPRAY THEIR ROADS A YEAR OR TWO AFTER THEY PAVE THEM.
SO WE KEEP ALL THE ROADS IN BEAUFORT COUNTY IN A GOOD, GOOD SHAPE.
UM, PATCHING CONTRACTS, KIND OF WHAT YOU'RE MENTIONING IN TRON.
UH, SO PATCHING IS SOMETIMES WE HAVE ROADS THAT JUST HAVE A COUPLE BAD SPOTS, THE REST OF THE ROADS IN DECENT CONDITION.
UM, SO IF WE COULD JUST GRAB THOSE SPOTS, THAT MAKES A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF DIFFERENCE.
SO HAVING A, A YEARLY PATCHING CONTRACT, UM, RURAL ROADS, CTC IS WORKING ON THIS, BUT WITH LIMITED FUNDING IS, UM, A LOT OF THE ROADS IN THE COUNTRY, UM, IN THE RURAL AREAS WITH, UH, LOW VOLUME, UM, THEY'RE NEVER GOING TO GET ATTENTION FROM DOT 'CAUSE DOT JUST DOESN'T HAVE ENOUGH MONEY TO THROW AT FARMER TO MARKET ROADS.
SO, UM, DOING SOME TYPE OF TREATMENT, MAYBE NOT A FULL ASPHALT TREATMENT, BUT SOME OTHER MECHANISM, UM, TO PAVE, UM, OR ENHANCE THOSE ROADS THAT, THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE DRIVE ON, UM, THAT, THAT LIVE ON THOSE ROADS.
BUT THEY'RE REALLY NEVER GONNA GET IMPROVEMENT OUTSIDE OF SOME MEASURE LIKE THIS.
SO WHAT IS THE ADT RESEARCH AVERAGE DAILY TRAFFIC? AVERAGE DAILY TRAFFIC.
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NOT LIKE A FULL DIRT ROAD, THAT'S JUST, THAT'S A, THAT'S LIKE A ROAD OUT IN THE COUNTRY THAT, UM, THAT YOU'RE GOING AND YOU GOT FIVE HOUSES IN A MILE, LIKE JUST A COUNTRY ROAD FARMER TO MARKET ROAD, THAT PRIVATE ROAD, OR THAT HAS TO BE COUNTY ROAD, ADOT ROAD.SO THE COUNTY DOESN'T REALLY OWN THOSE TYPE OF ROADS.
THOSE ARE PREDOMINANTLY OWNED BY DOT.
WHAT INDIVIDUAL DOT HAS LIMITED FUNDING TO IMPROVE THOSE ROADS BECAUSE THEY WANT TO, BIGGEST BANK FOR THEIR PUCK IS TO IMPROVE A PRIMARY ROUTE.
SO YOU'LL HAVE A ROAD THAT'S IN LESS THAN IDEAL CONDITION, BUT THEY'RE IN DISTRICT ONE.
AND DISTRICT ONE SHOULD HAVE ROAD IMPROVEMENTS, JUST LIKE DISTRICT 11 SHOULD HAVE ROAD IMPROVEMENTS.
SO WE HAVE A DIRT ROAD PAVING PROGRAM.
THIS IS PAID FROM, UM, CURRENTLY FROM OUR TAG FUND.
SO EVERY YEAR YOU RENEW YOUR, YOUR TAGS FOR YOUR VEHICLE.
THERE'S A $20 CHARGE, AND WE DO ABOUT TWO TO TWO AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS OF A DIRT ROAD.
UM, WE HAVE ABOUT 75 MILES OF DIRT ROAD.
AND I WAS ASKED, I GET ASKED FREQUENTLY BY MR. GLOVER AND MR. DAWSON, HOW LONG WILL IT TAKE US TO PAVE ALL THOSE DIRT ROADS? AND AT THAT CLIP, WE'RE GETTING ABOUT FOUR ROADS A YEAR, UM, OR ABOUT TWO MILES.
SO ABOUT 40 YEARS IS THE ANSWER.
SO THIS PROGRAM COULD ADD FIRE TO THAT.
NOW IF WE JUST PUT $40 MILLION THERE TOMORROW, UM, WE COULDN'T GET THAT DONE TOMORROW BECAUSE WE'VE GOTTA GO GET RIGHT AWAY.
SO THERE'S NO USE THROWING $40 MILLION ON DAY ONE, BUT WITH THE PROGRAM, AND YOU'VE GOT A PERCENTAGE, IF WE DOUBLED OR TRIPLED OUR PROGRAM, THAT WOULD BRING THAT 40 YEARS TO 15 YEARS OR 20 YEARS, AS YOU SAID, IT TAKES ABOUT A MILLION TO DO ONE MILE OF DIRT ROAD.
ABOUT, THAT'S ONLY TWO MILES OF DIRT ROAD.
AND NOT EVERY DIRT ROAD IS A MILE LONG.
SO WE'RE TYPICALLY GETTING FOUR ROADS, THREE TO FOUR ROADS A YEAR IN OUR, IN OUR DIRT ROAD PAVING PROGRAM.
JARED, JUST TO TALK ABOUT DIRT ROADS AND PAVING AND, YOU KNOW, UH, THERE ARE A LOT OF FACTORS THAT COME INTO PLAY IN PAVING A DIRT ROAD IN, IN OUR COUNTY.
IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE WE CAN DO? AND I THINK WE'VE HEARD THIS BEFORE, TO ADDRESS THE POSSIBILITY OF THOSE ROADS OTHER THAN PAVING, UM, AS FAR AS SOME MAINTENANCE PROGRAM THAT WE COULD DO, USE SOME OF THESE DOLLARS TO DO TO STABILIZE OR TO IMPROVE THE DRAINAGE OR TO IMPROVE THE SIDEWALKS ALONG, OR SOME WALKING PATH ALONG THE, THE ROADS, BECAUSE I THINK, UM, THEY'RE NOT GONNA GET PAVED.
BECAUSE FOLKS ARE NOT GOING TO GIVE UP THEIR, THAT EASEMENT THAT EASILY BECAUSE IT, UH, BASICALLY INTERRUPTS THE WHOLE LITTLE HAMLET OR THE LITTLE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT THAT DIRT ROAD RUNS THROUGH.
BUT I THINK WE NEED TO GET, AS IN, UH, SOME INNOVATION IN INNOVATION, UM, AS FAR AS HOW WE ADDRESS THAT PROBLEM, BECAUSE THAT, THAT SEGMENT OF THE POPULATION IS, IS STILL CRYING THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, WE ARE PAVING EVERYONE ELSE ROAD OR DOING SOMETHING WITH EVERYONE ELSE ELSE'S ROAD WITHOUT EVEN COMING TO, UH, GREAT HOURS.
AND THE FIRETRUCK CAN'T GET THERE, THE AMBULANCE CAN'T GET THERE, AND THEY HAVE TIME, TOUGH TIME GETTING THERE ON RAINY, WET DAYS.
SO WHAT ELSE CAN WE DO? SO, SO THAT COULD ALL FIT IN THIS BUCKET.
UM, DIFFERENT PROGRAMS. SO, UM, CHARLESTON PROGRAM HAS A LESS THAN STANDARD ROAD.
I, I DON'T KNOW THAT SOMETHING, THAT'S NOT QUITE THE NAME OF IT.
BUT BASICALLY, INSTEAD OF GETTING 50 FEET OF RIDE AWAY RIGHT, AND A 24 FOOT ROAD, THEY SAID, OKAY, WELL GIVE US 30 FEET RIGHT OF AWAY AND WE'LL MAKE A 18 FOOT ROAD.
UM, IN D IN CHAR, IN COLLETON COUNTY.
UM, I WORKED THERE AS A COUNTY ENGINEER AND UH, WE DID, WE HAD 300 MILES OF COUNTY ON ROAD AND ONLY 30 OF IT WAS PAVED AND WE HAD LESS THAN $2 MILLION A YEAR.
AND WHEN I GOT THERE, THEY WERE PAVING ROADS LIKE, MAN, YOU'RE GETTING A HALF OF A ROAD DONE EVERY YEAR.
AND SO WE TRADED UP AND SAID, OKAY, ONLY THE TOP 10 WARRANT PAVING THE NEXT ONES, LET'S DO A LITTLE BIT LESS.
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ROCK.AND THE NEXT ONE'S, THESE ARE GONNA STAY DIRT FOREVER, BUT LET'S IMPROVE THE DRAINAGE.
AND SO WE HAD A PROGRAM, UM, EVERYBODY THAT LIVED ON THE ROAD THAT HAD THAT SITUATION, THEY SAID THEY WANTED TO PAVE ROAD, BUT WHEN WE WENT OUT THERE AND THE ROAD, THEY APPRECIATE WHAT THEY'RE REALLY SAYING.
THEY WANT AN IMPROVED ROAD AND WANT TO BE ABLE TO GET OUT THE MUD.
AND SO WE WERE, THERE'S DIFFERENT THINGS THAT WE CAN LOOK AT.
ONE THING THAT THIS WOULD NOT COVER, WHICH IS A SEPARATE SUBJECT, IS JUST LIKE PEOPLE DON'T KNOW WHETHER THEY LIVE ON ADOT ROAD OR A COUNTY ROAD OR CITY ROAD, SOMETIMES THEY DON'T KNOW IF THEY LIVE ON A PRIVATE ROAD ROAD.
RIGHT? SO THIS WOULD NOT COVER PRIVATE ROADS.
SO EVEN IF WE PAVED ALL THE COUNTY ROADS IN THE COUNTY DIRT TO PAVE, WE WOULD STILL HAVE COMPLAINTS ABOUT DIRT ROADS.
BUT THOSE DIRT ROADS ARE PRIVATE ROADS.
NOW THAT WOULD BE ANOTHER SUBJECT FOR ANOTHER DAY, BUT THIS WOULD NOT BE TOWARDS THAT.
UM, BUT HOW WOULD WE CONVINCE THAT POPULATION OR THOSE COMMUNITIES THAT THE'S A NEED FOR US TO, UM, APPROVE A PENDING SALES TAX? IF, IF MY ROAD'S NOT GONNA BE IMPROVED, IF I'M NOT GOING TO GET DRAINAGE, IF I'M NOT GOING TO GET SIDEWALK, IF I'M NOT GOING TO GET SOMETHING OUTTA THIS DEAL, WHY WOULD I SUPPORT? SO THEIR PRIVATE ROAD MAY NOT GET IMPROVED, BUT ALL THE ROADS THAT LEAD TO THEIR PRIVATE ROAD, WHETHER IT'S ANOTHER COUNTY OWNED ROAD OR A, OR ADOT LOW VOLUME ROAD, OR A PATHWAY IN THAT AREA THAT DOESN'T EXIST, THOSE COULD GET, THOSE, COULD BE BENEFICIAL TO THAT PERSON.
THAT COULD BE, THAT CAN BE IMPROVED.
IS THERE ANY TIME ANY OF THOSE SCHEDULES ARE MADE PUBLIC? LIKE SOMEBODY CAN SAY, UM, WELL, 2025, I KNOW I'M SUPPOSED TO GET A DIRT.
I DON'T THINK WE DO A GOOD JOB AT BROADCASTING, UM, THE GET, BUT WE HAVE A, A COUNTY APPROVED DIRT ROAD PAVING PLAN, A FIVE-YEAR PLAN, AND A COUNTY APPROVED, UM, RESURFACING FIVE-YEAR PLAN.
AND, AND THERE'S A, A WHOLE REPORT THAT AND AN INDEX ON HOW WE DEVELOPED THAT PLAN AND HOW THIS ONE MADE IT TO THE TOP AND NOT THIS ONE.
UM, IS THAT ONLINE? SO PEOPLE, IT'S ONLINE INSIDE THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT.
IT'S, THE PROBLEM IS IT TAKES 10 CLICKS TO GET THERE AND YOU'RE, YOU'RE LOST BY THE TIME YOU GET THERE.
SO THAT'S AN AREA WE CAN WORK ON.
UM, THERE'S ALREADY KIND OF EXISTING PROGRAMS, NO NEED TO RECREATE THE WHEEL ON PAVING BECAUSE WE'VE GOT A LOT OF EXISTING PROGRAMS THAT ALREADY HAVE AN INDEX AND A CRITERIA.
WE JUST NEED MONEY TO CONTINUE WORKING THOSE PROGRAMS. UM, THAT WOULD BE THE THOUGHT PROCESS.
CAROL, SO, SO YOU SAID I'M SORRY.
SO YOU SAID THERE ARE 75 MILES OF DIRT ROADS IN OUR OKAY.
UM, AND 75 OF IT IS DIRT, 75 MILES OF IT.
ARE YOU SAYING ROADS OR MILES? WHEN YOU SAY 2 0 9 ROADS, THERE'S 200, WE HAVE 209 DIRT ROADS.
I'VE GOT A, I SENT THAT EMAIL OUT THIS WEEK, I SHOULD HAVE MEMORIZED IT.
SO I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THE WHOLE COMPLEX ISSUE.
AND I'M, I'M HEARING WE HAVE DIRT ROADS.
THERE'S NOT ENOUGH MONEY TO PAVE ALL THE DIRT ROADS.
FURTHERMORE, PEOPLE, SOME PEOPLE THAT LIVE ON DIRT ROADS DON'T WANT TO PAY PAVE.
IT WON'T GIVE THE RIGHT OF WAY.
UM, BUT YET THEY WANT SOMETHING OUT OF THE DEAL.
SO THE QUESTION BECOMES, CAN WE UTILIZE JARED'S EXPERIENCE FROM CO, WHICH APPARENTLY HAS LOTS OF DIRT ROADS THAT THEY WOULD ROCK AND MAYBE DO SOME DRAINAGE THAT WOULD HELP IN TIMES OF MUD SLIDES OR RAIN OR WHATEVER IT IS THAT WOULD KEEP SOMEBODY ACCESSING THEIR HOME ON A DIRT ROAD, OR MORE IMPORTANTLY, OR AS IMPORTANTLY A NINE 11 CALL.
BEING, YOU KNOW, SO IS THERE IN THIS PLAN THINKING, OR DO WE HAVE IN OUR COUNTY SOMETHING ALONG THE LINES OF WHAT YOU'RE DESCRIBING IN COLLETON, IF I'M UNDERSTANDING THE, THE, THE, THE PROBLEM TO BEGIN WITH? MM-HMM.
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UM, WE DON'T HAVE IT AS DEFINED AS WHAT COLTON HAS.SO COLTON STARTED WITH A DIRT ROAD PAVING PLAN, AND THEN WE ITERATE.
IT WAS A ITERATIVE PROCESS THAT WE MOVED FROM JUST PAVING TO A PAVING AND ROCK AND AND STORM.
SO WHAT WE WERE DOING IN COTON IS, UH, AND, AND I DIDN'T HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO STAY THERE THAT LONG, BUT WHAT WE WERE, WHERE WE WERE HEADED IS, ALRIGHT, LET'S DO A PAVING PROJECT THIS YEAR.
NEXT YEAR WE'RE ONLY GONNA DO ROCKING.
UM, AND THEN THE NEXT YEAR WE MIGHT BE DOING ROCKING AND STORM DRAINAGE AND THEN WE'LL DO A PAVING PROJECT THE THIRD YEAR OR THE FOURTH YEAR, UM, WE JUST DIDN'T HAVE NEAR AS MUCH FUNDS AS WE EVEN HAVE IN BEAUFORT.
SO BEAUFORT HAS FUNDS AND OF COURSE IF WE RAISE A PENNY, WE'LL HAVE MORE FUNDS.
SO MY QUESTION IS, COULD OUR PLAN INCLUDE PAVING, ROCKING DRAINAGE AND DIFFERENT ROADS THAT WOULD BE CONSIDERED FOR PAVING AND SEVERAL THAT JUST, HEY, WE'RE NEVER GONNA PAVE YOU, BUT WE'RE GONNA DO ROCK THIS YEAR.
WE'RE GONNA DO DRAINAGE NEXT YEAR, OR WE'RE GONNA, I'M NOT SURE THAT WE WANT TO GET IN THAT DEEP IN THE WEEDS MUCH.
NO, WE DON'T NEED, WE'RE NOT GETTING INTO DETAILS.
IT'S JUST THE, IT DOES THE PROBLEM THAT I WANT ADDRESS THAT I THINK WE NEED TO ADDRESS IF WE ARE GOING TO GET THE KIND OF SUPPORT THAT WE ARE LOOKING FOR.
WELL, AND WHAT IT CAN BE IS EVEN THOUGH WE HAVE A PROGRAM, IF THAT'S NOT THE PROGRAM THAT WE NEED TO, MAYBE WE NEED TO EXPAND THAT THOUGHT ON THE PROGRAM.
AND THAT CAN BE A RECOMMENDATION TO COUNTY COUNCIL TO EXPLORE THIS.
SO WHEN YOU SAY DIRT ROAD PAVING PROGRAM, IT IS MORE INCLUSIVE.
AND I WOULD JUST WONDER WHICH ONES OF 'EM THAT WERE THAT WOULD, YOU KNOW, PROHIBIT NINE 11 CALLS FROM GETTING BACK THERE IS, YOU KNOW.
AND THAT CAN BE A FACTOR IN HOW WE PRIORITIZE WHICH ROAD GETS IMPROVED.
WHICH HEIGHT? TOP OF THE LIST.
WHEN I WAS AT COLTON, WE DIDN'T, WE NINE, THE 9 1 1 CALLS WAS A FACTOR, BUT IT WASN'T THE ONLY FACTOR AND WE DIDN'T HAVE THE DATA.
SO I JUST GOT WITH PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR, I WAS LIKE, GIMME A ONE, TWO, OR THREE IF THIS IS A HARD ROAD OR A, OR EASY ROAD TO MAINTAIN.
SO THAT WAS THE ONLY DATA WE HAD.
SO HE HAD 40 YEARS OF EXPERIENCE AND WE, UH, CREATED A SYSTEM BASED OFF HIS KNOWLEDGE THAT WAS LIMITED, BUT THAT HIS KNOWLEDGE WASN'T LIMITED, THE SYSTEM WAS LIMITED.
BUT ANYWAYS, I DO HAVE THE NUMBER FOR YOU.
WE HAVE A TOTAL OF 857 COUNTY OWNED ROADS.
UM, 203 OF THOSE ARE DIRT ROADS, WHICH EQUIVALENT TO 76 MILES.
SO JUST TO FINALIZE, I DIDN'T MEAN TO GET IN THE WEEDS, I APOLOGIZE.
I THINK THAT MAYBE IT WARRANTS AN ASTERISK ON THE RECOMMENDATION DIRT ROADS TO INCLUDE, OR WE'RE RECOMMENDING THAT YOU INCLUDE NOT ONLY PAVING, BUT ROCKING AND, AND, AND DRAINAGE FOR ROADS THAT WILL NEVER BE PAVED.
AND I, YOU KNOW, MAYBE IT COULD BE AS SIMPLE AS THAT.
AND I HAVE, UH, PULLED UP, I DON'T WANNA MESS THE SCREEN UP, BUT, UM, AS ANOTHER EXHIBIT TO LOOK AT TONIGHT IF Y'ALL WANT TO, IS WHAT DEAN PREPARED AT THE END OF LAST YEAR AS HERE'S OUR RECOMMEND AND IT WAS LIKE A FIVE PAGE MEMO TO COUNCIL.
AND INCLUDED IN THAT WAS THE SPECIFIC RECOMMENDATIONS OF THE 10 YEAR, $700 MILLION PROGRAM.
BUT IT HAD A BUNCH OF DISCUSSION POINTS JUST LIKE WE'RE TALKING TONIGHT.
THAT WERE, WE WANT YOU TO CONSIDER THIS, THIS, AND THIS TOO.
THE DIRT ROADS ARE JUST FOR MY KNOWLEDGE, THE DIRT ROADS, THE 203 DIRT ROADS THAT YOU NAME, ARE THEY ELIGIBLE AT THIS POINT FOR PAVING? UM, SORT OF THE ANSWER IS YES, THEY'RE COUNTY OWNED AND MAINTAIN, THEY'RE COUNTY MAINTAINED ROADS.
SOME OF THOSE ARE CONSIDERED WHAT WE CALL LEGACY ROADS THAT WE DON'T HAVE A FULL TITLE TO THAT WE'VE BEEN MAINTAINING.
SO WE HAVE PRESCRIPTIVE EASEMENT.
SO PART OF OUR RANKING CRITERIA IS HAVE WE ALREADY, AND WE TRY TO DO THIS AT LEAST TWO OR THREE YEARS OUT, WE HAVE A RIGHT OF WAY MANAGER THAT GOES AND TRY TO, TO WORK WITH THE LANDOWNERS TO GET THE RIGHT OF WAY DONATED AHEAD OF THE PAVING PROJECT.
IF WE DO THAT, THEN IT SETS UP THE PAVING PROJECT WHERE IT MOVES QUICKER, UM, VERSUS IF WE PUT IT OUT AND THEN TRY TO ACQUIRE IT.
SO THOSE 203 ROADS ARE ROADS THAT WE HAVE MAINTAINED, WE DON'T OWN RIGHT AWAY ON ALL OF IT.
AND SOMETIMES THAT'S ONE OF THE POINTS WHERE, OKAY, WELL WE'RE NEVER GOING TO PAVE
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THIS ROAD BECAUSE WE'RE JUST GONNA CONTINUE TO MAINTAIN IT ALL.IT DOES SEEM TO ME THAT IT WOULD BE WORTH THE COUNTY'S EFFORT AND TIME WORKING WITH THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT TO COME UP WITH A, A CLEAR POLICY DOCUMENT THAT DEFINED EVERYTHING AND, AND LAID OUT A PLAN THAT SAID, THIS IS OUR PLAN FOR DEALING WITH DIRT ROADS.
AND, UM, AND AT SOME POINT IT MAY BE THAT, THAT DEALING, UH, IDENTIFYING DIRT ROADS THAT YOU DON'T OWN, BUT THAT YOU MAYBE SHOULD OWN, BECAUSE MANY OF THEM ARE GETTING BIGGER AND BIGGER AS PROPERTIES DEVELOP.
YOU KNOW, THEY MIGHT'VE STARTED OUT WITH TWO HOUSES, NOW THEY'VE GOT 10 HOUSES.
SO, I MEAN, THERE, IT SEEMS TO ME THAT THE PROCESS OF, OF COMING UP WITH A DOCUMENT WHICH DEALS WITH THESE ISSUES, I DON'T THINK IT'S OUR JOB TO GET INTO THAT LEVEL OF DETAIL HERE.
BUT I DO THINK THAT, I DO THINK THAT THE COUNTY HAVING A DOCUMENT THAT THEY CAN HAND SOMEBODY AND SAY, THIS IS WHAT WE'RE DEALING, THIS IS HOW WE DEAL WITH DIRT ROADS HERE, TAKE THIS.
NOT TO THE FULL EXTENT WE HAVE IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO PETITION A ROAD TO COME INTO THE SYSTEM, HOW THAT PROCESS HAPPENS.
BUT WE DON'T HAVE AN EVALUATION OF CURRENTLY THAT ONE OVER THERE IS PRIVATE AND WE SHOULD PROBABLY MAKE THAT ONE PUBLIC.
UM, AND THIS ONE IS PUBLIC AND WE SHOULD PROBABLY MAKE IT PRIVATE.
UM, WE DON'T HAVE A OVERALL DOCUMENT LIKE THAT, BUT WE DO HAVE SOME DOCUMENTS ON ACCEPTING NEW ROADS.
YOU WANT ME TO MOVE ON? YEP, PLEASE.
SO PATHWAYS, AGAIN, THESE ARE EXAMPLES.
SO IN 2021, WE, AND I SHOULD HAVE LISTED THIS, BUT UM, WE DEVELOPED A PEDESTRIAN, COUNTYWIDE PEDESTRIAN AND BICYCLE MASTER PLAN.
AND WHAT WAS INTERESTING IS WE'VE GOT A LOT OF GOOD COMPONENTS SPREAD OUT THE COUNTY, BUT THEY'RE NOT NECESSARILY CONNECTED, ESPECIALLY WITH ANY STRATEGY.
THEY'RE, WE'VE GOT SOME HERE, SOME THERE, SPANISH MOSS TRAIL IS GREAT.
UM, BUT SO WHAT THE, THE BIG THOUGHT THAT CAME OUT OF THAT MASTER PLAN WAS FOCUS ON THE SPINE NETWORK ON YOUR MAJOR ROUTES AND GET THAT ACCOMPLISHED.
SO THEN YOU HAVE SOME CONNECTIVITY TO DIFFERENT POINTS OF INTEREST.
THEN OFF OF THE SPINE ROAD YOU CAN START MAKING FEEDER ROADS.
SO A GOOD EXAMPLE IS, UH, BLUFFTON PARKWAY AND BUCKWALTER.
AND THEN IF YOU WANT TO GO, UM, INTO A SUBDIVISION, THAT WOULD BE THE NEIGHBORHOOD, THE, THE RIB CAGE KIND OF OFF OF THE MAJOR SPINE.
SO ONE OF THE MAJOR ONES THAT IS DESCRIBED IN THAT PLAN IS SC ONE 70.
SO EVEN THOUGH THE, THE AVERAGE BICYCLIST MIGHT NOT TRAVERSE THAT WHOLE 15 MILES, ONE, THAT'S PART OF THE EAST COAST GREENWAY.
SO YOU HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT ARE GOING THAT ROUTE ON THEIR OWN.
BUT SECONDLY, THEN YOU CAN HAVE ALL THE DEVELOPMENT THAT YOU HAVE A MAIL-IN BLUFF TYPE DEVELOPMENT OR A SHADOW MOSS.
THEY CAN HAVE A ROAD IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT EVEN IS PAID BY THE NEIGHBORHOOD, THE DEVELOPER THAT THEN TIES INTO THE SPINE WHERE PEOPLE CAN WALK FROM THEIR HOUSE SAFELY ONTO A PATH, A SIDEWALK ONTO A LARGER PATHWAY AND HAVE SAFE ACCESS THE WHOLE WAY.
SO ONE 70, UM, IS A, I DON'T WANNA SCARE Y'ALL OF THIS, BUT I MEAN THAT'S A HUNDRED MILLION DOLLAR PROJECT AS A PATHWAY BECAUSE YOU'RE TRAVELING, YOU ALSO GOTTA GET ACROSS THE BROAD RIVER AND THE CHACHES CREEK.
SO YOU GOTTA HAVE SOME ACCOMMODATIONS.
BUT IF YOU DID THAT AND YOU HAD A 10 FOOT PATHWAY OR 12 FOOT PATHWAY, ENTIRE STRETCH, YOU REALLY HAVE SOME SUPER CONNECTIVITY.
YOU ALSO HAVE A LOT OF WETLANDS AND JUST A WHOLE BUNCH OF ISSUES THERE.
BUT IF I WAS TO SAY ONE, IF I COULD DO ONE PROJECT, THAT WOULD BE THE ONE PATHWAY PROJECT.
BUT THEN, UM, ALL THESE SMALLER ONES, SO THE DEPOT, THE MERIDIAN ROAD, STEWART POINT, IT WOULD COME OFF OF YOUR BIG NETWORK SPANISH MOSS TRAIL.
THERE'S NO REASON WHY THAT CAN'T BE EXTENDED.
ONE FINALLY DOWN INTO, UM, PORT ROYAL, WHICH THAT'S WORKING ITS WAY, BUT EVEN THE OTHER WAY.
SO, UM, ANYHOW, THOSE ARE THE IDEA WHAT WE DID IN THE PATHWAYS, UM, IN THE 2018, WE DID THIS, UH, SHOTGUN APPROACH AND WE DIDN'T HAVE THE MASTER PLAN DEVELOPED YET.
AND WE ARE PAYING FOR IT NOW BECAUSE WE'VE GOT 24 PATHWAYS, WHICH MANY OF THEM AREN'T NECESSARILY DESIRED.
WE GET OUT THERE IN THE COMMUNITY AND THEY'RE LIKE, WE DON'T WANT THIS PATHWAY NOT IN FRONT OF MY YARD.
AND SO AT LEAST NOW WE HAVE A VETTED
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PLAN WITH THE, WITH THE MASTER PLAN.AND THEN, UM, ANYHOW, SO THAT'S, THAT'S THE CONCEPT OR THE IDEA WITH PATHWAYS.
AND THERE WOULD PROBABLY NEED TO BE, AGAIN, SOME TYPE OF INDEX.
HOW DO WE PRIORITIZE ONE THAT NEEDS TO PROBABLY SHOW UP ON THAT MASTER PLAN, BUT HOW DO WE PRIORITIZE THIS ONE VERSUS THAT ONE? I JUST WANT TO SAY, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T ALWAYS GET THINGS RIGHT IN OUR DIFFERENT TOWNS AND IN OUR COUNTY, BUT I, I TRULY BELIEVE THAT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THE COUNTY AND THE TOWN OF BLUFFTON HAVE DONE WELL THROUGHOUT BLUFFTON.
AND TO JUST SEE OVER THE PAST 30 YEARS, UH, PEOPLE OUT ON THE PATHWAYS, YOU KNOW, THE PATHWAY ALONG ONE 70, UM, REALLY FROM BLUFFTON PARKWAY DOWN TO 46, I DIDN'T THINK ANYBODY WOULD BE WALKING ON THAT.
I SEE PEOPLE ON THAT ALL THE TIME.
I SEE PEOPLE IN FRONT OF HAMPTON LAKE UP AND DOWN BUCKWALTER I EXPECTED.
UM, BUT LONG STRETCHES AND THEY'RE OUT WALKING, THEY'RE RIDING THEIR BIKES, THEY'RE ENJOYING IT AND WE NEED THAT, BELIEVE IT OR NOT, THAT ALSO LIGHTENS UP OUR ROADS.
'CAUSE PEOPLE AREN'T HOPPING IN THEIR CAR TO GO SOMEWHERE TO WALK.
WHAT'S THAT? I SAID, AND WE DON'T HAVE ANY TRUE WALKING PARKS AROUND HERE.
THAT'S, THAT'S LIKE THAT YOU GO TO SAVANNAH, YOU HAVE DIN PARK O OVER A MILE AND YOU HAD LIGHTS ALL AROUND IT, FIVE O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING, LITTLE OLD LADIES OUT THERE WALKING 'CAUSE THEY FEEL SAFE, BUT THEY HAVE LIGHTS, BUT IT HAS NICE WALKING.
YOU KNOW, WE DON'T, WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TRUE TO THAT.
THE THE NEW RIVERSIDE ONE THAT, UM, THE TOWN'S WORKING ON, AND I THINK THE COUNTY'S ON THAT AS WELL IS GONNA BE THE FIRST ATTEMPT THAT I KNOW OF IN BEAUFORT COUNTY TO DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
AND WELL, I BELIEVE AND TRON, LIKE YOU SAID, LIGHTS, UM, THAT COULD FIT IN SAFETY.
SO IF WE WANTED TO PUT LIGHTS, EVEN IF IT WAS JUST PATHWAY LIGHTING AND NOT STREET LIGHTING ON THE PATHWAYS RIGHT HERE, BUCK WALTER.
AND, UM, THAT WOULD, THAT IN MY EYES WOULD BE A PATHWAY PROJECT.
SO, UM, FROM A COST PERSPECTIVE, THIS IS THE BIGGEST OPPORTUNITY.
THE BIGGEST COST BENEFIT THERE IS, UM, ANY TRAFFIC PROBLEM IS WITH TRAFFIC TECHNOLOGY.
SO IF YOU RE TIME A SIGNAL AND YOU PUT SIGNALS THAT ARE CONNECTED TOGETHER AND LINKED UP AND YOU CAN GO FROM GREEN LIGHT TO GREEN LIGHT TO GREEN LIGHT, UM, THAT COSTS YOU A COUPLE HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS TO DO THAT.
UM, THE BIGGEST THING THAT WE'RE MISSING IN THAT IS CONNECTING THEM THROUGH FIBER.
UM, SO RIGHT NOW A LOT OF OUR SIGNALS ARE SEMIS SMART.
SO THEY'RE, UM, THEY'RE ACTUATED.
IF YOU DRIVE UP, IT RECOGNIZES THAT THERE'S A CAR ON THE SIDE ROAD AND IT'LL SHUT OFF THE MAIN ROAD WHEN THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY.
UM, BUT IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY CONNECT TO THE NEXT ONE.
WE HAVE SOME OF THEM CONNECTED.
2 78 IS DECENTLY CONNECTED, BUT IT'S NOT OPTIMIZED.
WHAT WE DO IS EVERY THREE YEARS OR SO, WE DO A RETIMING OF THAT.
SO OVER THE COURSE OF THREE YEARS IT CALIBRATES AND WE'RE ABOUT DUE FOR ANOTHER CALIBRATION.
SO THE FIBER ALLOWS US TO HAVE A MORE SYNCHRONIZED APPROACH AND KEEP 'EM TIMED BETTER.
UM, THE ADAPTIVE SIGNALS, YOU'VE HEARD THAT ON HILTON HEAD.
UM, SO THAT IS ANOTHER LEVEL OF TECHNOLOGY.
AND SO RATHER THAN US TELLING THE SIGNAL, HERE'S THE TIME, GO AND DO, PUT 60 SECONDS OF GREEN TIME TO THE MAIN ROAD AND 20 SECONDS TO THE SIDE ROAD, YOU PUTS IN SOME PARAMETERS AND THEN THE COMPUTER THINKS FOR ITSELF, WHICH IS KIND OF GOOD AND KIND OF BAD BECAUSE AT NO TIME CAN WE GO IN AFTERWARDS IF THERE'S AN ACCIDENT AND TELL YOU WHAT THE TIMING WAS.
I DON'T KNOW THE COMPUTER WAS DOING IT.
UM, BUT IT REALLY DOESN'T HELP WHEN THERE'S CONGESTION.
WHAT IT DOES HELP IS IF YOU'RE ON THE SIDE ROAD AND, AND YOU'RE SITTING THERE FOR 60 SECONDS AND THERE'S A GAP IN TRAFFIC, IT'LL SENSE THE GAP IN TRAFFIC AND STOP THE MAIN LINE AND LET THE SIDE ROAD FLUSH AND THEN OPEN UP THE MAIN LINE BEFORE THE GAP CLOSES.
BUT IF IT'S JUST STEADY, STEADY TRAFFIC ON THE MAINLINE AND YOU GOT SOMEBODY SITTING, IT'S NOT GONNA ALLOW THE THE SIDE ROAD TO FLUSH.
IT'S JUST SO IT DOESN'T HELP IN SATURATED CONDITIONS, BUT
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IT HELPS WHEN IT'S IN LESS THAN SATURATION, IF THAT MAKES SENSE.DYNAMIC MESSAGE BOARDS, WE TALKED ABOUT THIS SOME AT WOODS BRIDGE.
SO UM, IF WE HAD A BOARD ON, ON BOUNDARY STREET OR REBO OR AT WALGREENS BEFORE YOU GET TO THE PLACE WHERE YOU NEED TO TURN RIGHT OR LEFT, IT SAYS BRIDGE OPEN, UM, THAT AUTOMATICALLY THE BRIDGE OPERATOR HITS A BUTTON AND IT SENDS A MESSAGE OUT, THEN YOU KNOW NOT TO GO THAT WAY.
I NEED TO GO DOWN LADIES ISLAND DRIVE.
I KNOW WE ARE WORKING ON THAT.
YOU CANNOT DO SOMETHING'S RIGHT.
SO WE'RE NOT, WE DON'T WANNA MAKE IT LOOK LIKE THE INTERSTATE SIGNAGE.
JUST WANTS TO SAY WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE.
BUT THERE'S A LOT OF TECHNOLOGIES THAT ARE OUT THERE TODAY AND EVEN MORE THAT OBVIOUSLY THAT ARE, THAT ARE IN THE WORKS THAT ARE COMING, UM, THAT ARE RELATIVELY LOW COST BUT HAVE A PRETTY HIGH BENEFIT AS FAR AS COST BENEFIT.
SO THAT'S WHAT TRAFFIC TECHNOLOGY, IT'S KIND OF HARD TO EXPLAIN.
UH, WE ARE CURRENTLY WORKING BACK ON THE INDEX ON THIS.
WE'RE CURRENTLY WORKING WITH LATS ON THE ITS MASTER PLAN.
SO INTELLIGENT TRANSPORTATION SYSTEMS THAT WOULD SAY THIS IS WHERE YOU NEED TO FOCUS ON THE FIBER TO START WITH.
THEN YOU NEED TO DO THIS, THEN YOU NEED TO, SO IT'LL HAVE A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THAT'S IN THE WORKS RIGHT NOW.
UH, EVACUATION, EMERGENCY EVACUATION AND RESILIENCY.
SO THIS IS SOME OF THE CAUSEWAYS.
WE'RE WE'RE WORKING ON A PLAN RIGHT NOW TO IDENTIFY THE LOW CAUSEWAYS.
WE KNOW 'EM JUST BY NAMING A COUPLE LIKE WARSAW AND MLK AND THERE'S OTHERS.
UM, SO OBVIOUSLY WHAT CAN WE DO TO IMPROVE THOSE? IT MAY BE THAT WE CAN ADD EARTH AND BRING THEM UP BY TWO FEET OR IT MAY BE THAT WE'RE NEVER GONNA BE ABLE TO GET THAT PERMITTED AND WE HAVE TO TAKE OUT THAT CAUSEWAY AND, AND REPLACE IT WITH A BRIDGE STRUCTURE.
DIDN'T WE RESEARCH OR STUDIED THAT BEFORE? THERE'S BEEN SOME STUDIES ON THAT, NOT SPECIFICALLY TO THE ROADS AND THE CAUSEWAYS.
THERE'S SOME, THIS IS WHERE FLOODPLAIN, WHERE IT'S GOING TO FLOOD IN THIS REGION OF THE COUNTY VERSUS THAT REGION, BUT NOT TIED DIRECTLY TO THE ROADS.
IF YOU'RE GONNA PUT THIS OUT TO THE PUBLIC AND YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT EMERGENCY EVACUATION AND RESILIENCY, I KNOW THAT THIS DO, THIS PENNY IS NOT GONNA PAY FOR A THIRD BRIDGE, BUT THERE HAS TO BE SOME DISCUSSION OF A THIRD BRIDGE BECAUSE IF PEOPLE THINK THAT YOU'RE NOT CONSIDERING A THIRD BRIDGE, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO SUPPORT THIS.
SO, SO THIRD, SO MAYBE THERE'D BE LIKE A PLANNING FOR THE THIRD BRIDGE OR STUDY ON A THIRD.
THERE'S GOTTA BE SOME KIND OF DISCUSSION ABOUT A THIRD BRIDGE FOR BEDFORD.
SO THIRD BRIDGE AND THE SECOND BRIDGE, THE HILLS AND HEAD ARE BOTH A PLANNING DOCUMENT THAT LATS HAS ON THEIR AGENDA IN THE NEXT YEAR OR TWO.
UM, HOW WOULD THAT HEAD, SO FOR INSTANCE, IF THE THIRD BRIDGE WAS STUDIED BY LATS AND IT WAS DEEMED, NOW IS THE TIME YOU NEED TO ADD A THIRD BRIDGE TO LADIES ISLAND, THAT WOULD BE HERE UNDER FUTURE PROJECTS NEXT.
OR YOU COULD TAKE A LITTLE BIT OUT OF THE EVACUATION AND RESILIENCY.
ANOTHER EVACUATION ONE, UM, THAT I HEAR A LOT OF FROM COUNCILMAN GLOVER IS, UM, OH, WHAT'S THE NAME OF THE WHA NOT WARSAW, UM, AT THE BRIDGE RIGHT THERE.
WHAT'S THE BRIDGE RIGHT PAST WALMART? UMEN CREEK.
SO IF THERE'S AN ACCIDENT THAT YOU CAN STILL HAVE TRAFFIC GETTING PASSED MM-HMM
UM, SO THERE MAY BE AN OPPORTUNITY TO DO SOME MINOR RESURFACING AND LANE RES STRIPING TO ALLOW FOR THAT WITHOUT HAVING TO BUILD TO HOLD NEW BRIDGE.
THAT'S, THAT'S A PRETTY DAMN WIDE BRIDGE.
SO THAT BRIDGE IS WIDE, YOU'VE GOT ALMOST 10 FEET OF EACH SIDE OF EACH OF EITHER WIDE.
YEAH, IT IS WIDE, BUT THERE MAY BE, UH, OTHERS THROUGHOUT THE AREA THAT THAT NEEDS TO BE EVALUATED.
IF YOU PUT THE BIKE PATH ON IT, IT'S NOT AS WIDE AS YOU THINK IF YOU DO THAT.
BUT SEE YOU AIN'T THE, THE Y ANOTHER MLK BRIDGE, THE BRIDGE ON MLK, THAT THAT WOULD BE ONE, THAT WOULD BE ANOTHER ONE TO LOOK AT BECAUSE IF THAT'S NOW THAT ONE, THAT ONE DOESN'T HAVE A SHOULDER OR ANYTHING ON MLK, YOU'RE RIGHT.
LET ME, LET'S TOUCH AN EMERGENCY EVACUATION RESILIENCY IF MY MEMORY'S CORRECT AND I I MY MEMORY IS NOT, UM, GOOD ANYMORE.
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WE TALKED, WHEN WE TALKED LAST MEETING, WE TALKED ABOUT GETTING RID OF THE ALLOCATION THAT WE HAD THAT HAD BEEN PROPOSED TO THE, THE, THE HOWEVER, HOWEVER MUCH IT WAS.10 I THINK FOR THE NEIGHBORS ALLOCATED TO THE NEIGHBORING COUNTIES.
BUT WE DIDN'T WORD IT LIKE THAT.
WE THOUGHT THOSE, THOSE DOLLARS WOULD FLOW INTO THAT EMERGENCY EVACUATION RESILIENCY POT BECAUSE THAT WOULD BE BASICALLY HOW WE WOULD JUSTIFY THE EXPENDITURES OF FUNDS, COUNTY FUNDS IN OTHER COUNTIES.
SO THAT POT OF OF MONEY FOR THE EMERGENCY EVACUATION RESILIENCY SHOULD IN, IN MY OPINION, KIND OF WENT UP FROM 10% TO A HIGHER PERCENT.
YEAH, I THINK WE, WE WENT, UH, WE DID BUMP THAT UP.
LET'S SEE, I THINK IT WAS ACT 10 AND MAYBE WES THING WENT UP FIVE, SO I BET.
NO, I MIGHT HAVE DIDN'T CATCH IT.
SO, AND YOU PUT IT, WHAT YOU SAID WHEN WE STARTED WAS YOU MOVED THAT MONEY THAT'S 20 INTO THE BIG PROJECTS.
UM, I THINK I TECHNICALLY EVERYTHING, THIS WAS AT 50 AND I THINK I PUT FIVE HERE TO MAKE THIS 55 AND FIVE.
THIS WAS AT 35 AND MOVED IT TO 40.
AND I MIGHT HAVE, MY NOTES WEREN'T THAT GREAT LAST TIME.
SO I'VE BEEN THINKING ABOUT THAT DONOR AND I'M OKAY WITH DONOR, BUT I'M THINKING ABOUT, SOUNDS LIKE WE HAVING A HARD TIME TAKING CARE OF HOME AND I MEAN, WE GOT DIRT ROADS THAT WE CAN'T GET DONE.
WE GOT BRIDGES THAT NEED TO GET WIDENED.
WE HAVE ROADS THAT NEED TO BE RAISED UP.
I MEAN, I MEAN REALLY FOCUS ON WHAT WE NEED TO DO AT HOME AND PUT THAT MONEY'S THERE.
SO IF WE HAVE TO HAVE, YOU GOTTA HIRE EXTRA CREWS, WHATEVER, SO IT DON'T TAKE 30, 40 YEARS TO PAY TWO MILES OF DIRT ROADS.
I'M NOT, I'M NOT NECESSARILY ADVOCATING, I JUST WAS REMEMBERING THAT, THAT WE HAD YES SIR, WE DID, WE HAD TALKED ABOUT THAT AND WHETHER THAT WAS, WANTED TO KNOW WHETHER HE HAD REFLECTED THAT IN THAT EMERGENCY EVACUATION AND RESILIENCY, UM, SECTION.
AND I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT WE TALK ABOUT WHEN WE SAY IMPROVE EVACUATION ROUTES, WE'VE ALREADY SHOWN THAT WE'VE GOT MONEY GOING INTO 21.
WE'VE GOT MONEY GOING INTO ONE 70, MONEY GOING INTO 2 78, 46 IS A SPECIFIC PROJECT.
AND THE BIG PROJECT, WHEN WE SAY APPROVE EVACUATION ROUTE, WHAT, WHAT DO, WHAT DO YOU THINK? AND WE MEAN BY THAT, UM, BASICALLY WHAT YOU, WHAT WE ADVOCATING, I I THINK MAKING THOSE INVESTMENTS IN THOSE ROADS, SAY FOR EXAMPLE 46, ONCE YOU GET ACROSS THE BRIDGE INTO JASPER COUNTY, WHAT HE SAID, MAKING THAT SAFE, LET'S NOT PUSH IT.
IF YOU, IF YOU, I DIDN'T PUT ON HERE 3 21, BUT 46 TURNS INTO 3 21 IN JASPER COUNTY.
IF YOU PAVED 3 21 IN JASPER COUNTY, YOU WOULD HAVE JASPER COUNTY LOVING YOU FOREVER.
THAT'S ONE OF THE WORST RIDING ROADS IN THEIR HOME COUNTY.
UM, IT JUST HAPPENS TO BE ON EVACUATION ROUTE.
LIKE THAT ROAD YOU TURN LIKE THAT ROAD.
I THOUGHT YOU, I THOUGHT YOU WERE OLD.
I MEAN, I LIKE IT IF IT WAS RIDING GOOD.
AND 2, 2 78 TURNS INTO 68, UM, IN HAMPTON COUNTY, WHICH AGAIN, THESE ARE JUST EXAMPLES, BUT ANYTHING THAT SHOWS UP ON THE DOT EVACUATION ROUTE, THAT MIGHT BE A WAY TO PHRASE IT.
AND IT IS, YOU KNOW, YOU DO LOOK AT ALL THIS AND YOU SAY, MY GOODNESS, WE HAVE TO TAKE CARE OF OUR OWN.
I VALIDATE THAT BECAUSE YOU'RE RIGHT.
WE, WE, THE MONEY SHOULD BE FOR THE COUNTY RESIDENTS OF BUFORT.
THAT'S WHO'S RAISING THE MONEY.
BUT IN ADDITION TO THAT, WE NEED TWO THINGS.
WE NEED PEOPLE TO BE ABLE TO GET OUT
AND WE NEED PEOPLE TO BE ABLE TO COME IN AND WORK AND SERVICE ALL OF THESE PEOPLE THAT LIVE HERE, THAT DON'T WORK, THAT ARE RETIRED.
I MEAN, IT'S SUCH, SUCH A LARGE RETIREMENT.
UH, AND THAT, THAT POPULATION, THAT BULLET, THAT BULLET SORT OF, AND THAT DOES HELP PEOPLE HERE.
I DON'T KNOW THAT WE SHOULD GO ANY, ANY MORE IN DEPTH.
I THINK THAT GIVES THE FREEDOM TO, WHETHER IT'S IN THE COUNTY OUT OF THE COUNTY FOLLOWS THAT ROUTE THAT KIND OF, IF WE START EXPLAINING IT FURTHER, I THINK WE'RE THINKING THE SAME THING.
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THE QUESTION IS BASICALLY DO, DO WE HAVE ENOUGH MONEY IN THERE TO DO WHAT WE MIGHT WANT TO DO? THAT WAS 10.WHERE DID THE TAKE FROM? 10% OF OH 8 95.
SO LET'S, YOU KNOW, 90 MILLION OVER 15 YEARS DEDICATED TO THAT BUCKET AT THIS MOMENT.
ALRIGHT, YOU WANT ME TO HIT MASS TRANSIT? YEP.
SO MULTIMODAL IS, IS CATCHALL MASS TRANSIT.
UM, SO RIGHT NOW OUR MASS TRANSIT IS BASICALLY A COMMUTER ROUTE, UM, FROM THESE OTHER COUNTIES THAT WE JUST MENTIONED.
IT REALLY IS NOT GOING TO DEVELOP INTO A MAJOR MASS TRANSIT AND TOOL.
THERE IS HIGHER DENSITY IN THE COUNTY, UM, THAT IS HAPPENING CURRENTLY TO CHARLESTON COUNTY.
SO BETWEEN NOW AND THEN WE DO HAVE OPPORTUNITIES, AND THIS GETS INTO THE 2 78 BRIDGE DISCUSSION AND DIFFERENT THINGS IF WE WERE TO PURCHASE PROPERTY AND DEVELOP IT AS PARK AND RIDE, UM, BEFORE YOU GET TO THE BRIDGE, AND THEN THAT'S WHERE PEOPLE DRIVE THEIR CAR TO, TO CATCH MASS TRANSIT.
THAT MAY BE AN OPPORTUNITY TO BE MORE SUCCESSFUL THAN EXPECTING SOMEBODY TO WALK TO THE BUS STOP TODAY.
IT COULD BE AT THE INTERSTATE IN JASPER COUNTY.
THIS IS ANOTHER COUNTY ONE IF YOU WANTED TO LOOK AT THAT AND CATCH PEOPLE AS SOON AS THEY GET OFF THE INTERSTATE WHERE THEY HAVE LAND AND THEN THOSE PEOPLE ARE NOT ON 2 78 ALL THE WAY THROUGH THE COUNTY.
UM, IT COULD ALSO BE AS SOON AS YOU GET ON THE TO HILTON HEAD.
UM, YOU'RE IN THE BRIDGE PROJECT AREA ON JENKINS ISLAND.
UM, IF THERE WAS A PLACE ON JENKINS ISLAND AND YOU PARKED RIGHT THERE, UM, AND YOU DIDN'T DRIVE TO YOUR CONDO OR TO YOUR HOTEL, AND THEN YOUR HOTEL CAME AND PICKED YOU UP FROM THAT PARK AND RIDE AND YOU RODE THE TROLLEY SYSTEM THE WHOLE WEEK WHILE YOU'RE AT THE BEACH.
UM, SO TAKING THE CARS OFF THE ROAD FOR THAT WHOLE WEEK WHILE YOU'RE, WHILE YOU'RE VISITING OR, UM, OR IN COMBINATION WITH THE AIRPORT, A PARK AND RIDE WITH THE AIRPORT, UM, BUS, RAPID TRANSIT SYSTEM.
AGAIN, WE DO NOT HAVE, UM, THE DENSITY TO DEMAND IT, BUT WHAT'S HAPPENING IN CHARLESTON COUNTY IS THEIR GROWTH HAS HAPPENED OBVIOUSLY OVER THE LAST 25 YEARS.
UM, AND THEY ARE IN ESSENCE RETROFITTING A BUS.
RAPID TRANSIT IS IS THE NEXT STEP TO EVENTUAL LIGHT RAIL.
NOW, I DON'T SEE CHARLESTON HAVING LIGHT RAIL.
UM, IF IT IS, IT'S NOT FOR A VERY LONG TIME.
OUR LIGHT RAIL WOULDN'T BE FOR 75 OR A HUNDRED YEARS IF WE EVER NEEDED IT.
SO BUS RAPID TRANSIT SYSTEM IS YOUR CLOSEST THING TO RAIL.
AND WHAT CHARLESTON'S DOING RIGHT NOW IS THEY'RE FITTING IN A PROJECT.
THEY'VE GOT THE SAME WORKFORCE ISSUE, THE SPREAD, EVERYTHING THAT WE HAVE.
EVERYBODY'S LIVING IN SOMERVILLE AND DORCHESTER AND BERKELEY COUNTY AND TRYING TO COME INTO DOWNTOWN CHARLESTON.
SO THEY'VE GOT A 30 MILE ROUTE WHERE THEY'RE RETROFITTING ON RIVERS AVENUE AND, AND OTHER MAJOR CORRIDORS THERE FOR THE BUS TO PICK PEOPLE UP.
AND THAT COST IS LIKE 1.2 TRI OR $2 BILLION BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T PLAN FOR IT.
SO WE KNOW THAT OUR GROWTH IS HEADING IN A CHARLESTON LIGHT TRAJECTORY, NOT NECESSARILY THE SAME, BUT IT'S SIMILAR.
AND IF WE PLAN FOR IT NOW, UM, IF WE PLAN OUR BRIDGES, IF WE PLAN ALL OF OUR ROAD IMPROVEMENTS NOW FOR THAT, THERE'S OPPORTUNITY TO BE SUCCESSFUL FOR A LESS COST IN OUTDOORS.
UM, ANY QUESTIONS ON BUS RAPID TRANSIT? I JUST, I SEE AN EMPTY PALMETTO BREEZE BUS GOING AROUND BLUFFTON ALL THE TIME AND IT, IT PAINS ME THAT IT'S TWOFOLD.
IT PAINS ME THAT, THAT WE'RE SOMEBODY'S PAYING FOR THAT AND IT PAINS ME THAT PEOPLE AREN'T TAKING ADVANTAGE OF IT.
BUT I, I AGREE WITH WHAT, WHAT WHAT WAS SAID TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF IT NOW BEFORE IT GETS WHERE, WHERE IT COSTS YOU MORE TO TAKE CARE OF IT.
AND I SEE THE, I SEE, I SEE SOME OF THE OPPOSITE.
I SEE SOME PEOPLE, LOTS OF PEOPLE GETTING OFF
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OF THE, UM, OFF OF, OFF OF THE BREEZE, YOU KNOW, ESPECIALLY AROUND THE ISLAND.AND EVEN IN OKER TEA, I SEE 'EM GET OFF THERE, SOME OF 'EM GET GET OFF RIGHT THERE AT THE MEDICAL CENTER.
UM, SO YEAH, ANYTIME YOU CAN TAKE ADVANTAGE OF IT NOW IS IS YEAH.
AND IF IT'S PUSH ON THE SHOVE, THEY HAVE TO SLOW THEIR PROCESS DOWN.
IT'S NOT LIKE IT'S GONNA BE, IT'S INEVITABLE.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S AN INEVITABLE THING.
BUT HAVING THE GAME AND HAVING THE PEACE IN PLAY ALREADY, UH, UH, I'LL TAKE YOU THERE.
I I GET, YOU GET US CLOSE TO WHERE WE NEED TO BE.
AND ALSO THINKING ABOUT GETTING THAT PATHWAYS AND THOSE WALKWAYS AND ALL OF THAT WHERE PEOPLE WHO THE PURPOSE IS THEY DON'T USE THEIR CARS TO GET THERE IN A SAFE MANNER, A SAFE MANNER.
THAT'S, YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING, IN A SAFE, SAFE MANNER THAT, YOU KNOW, AND I'M WORRYING ABOUT THE ALLIGATOR SITTING ON THE SIDEWALK.
YOU KNOW, AND I'M, I'M TALKING ABOUT THE FOUR-LEGGED COUNTY IN THE TWO-LEGGED COUNTY, YOU KNOW, UM, PLACES THAT, THAT'S DONE IT SUCCESSFULLY.
LIKE ATLANTA, ATLANTA MORTAR SYSTEM.
I MEAN, HEY, THEY MADE A WAY TO DO IT OUT OF WHAT WAS ALREADY THERE.
WE, WE WON'T BE ON THAT LEVEL.
BUT YEAH, IF YOU CAN GET IT DONE NOW, DEFINITELY BECAUSE PRICES ARE STEADY GOING UP AND SO IS OPPORTUNITY THAT'S GOING DOWN ON THE EMPTY BUSES NOW.
SO IT'S ACTUALLY A, ANOTHER WAY TO LOOK AT IT, TO SPIN IT IN A POSITIVE LIGHT IS IT TAKES YEARS TO DEVELOP RIDERSHIP.
SO JUST LIKE ANY BUSINESS, YOU GOT THE HOCKEY STICK THAT YOU GO DOWN BEFORE YOU BE EXTREMELY PROFITABLE.
WE'RE IN THE, THE BOTTOM PART OF THE HOCKEY STICK.
SO WE'RE CLOSE TO AN INFLECTION POINT.
AND WHAT THEY REALLY DON'T HAVE IS THE FUNDING TO MAKE THE TURN.
SO THERE'S OTHER OPPORTUNITIES OUT THERE THAT EVEN THOUGH WE DON'T HAVE DENSITY THAT THEY'RE PLANNING, LIKE AN UBER-LIKE BUS SYSTEM WHERE YOU NEED TO GO TO YOUR MEDICAL APPOINTMENTS, DIAL IT UP A DAY BEFORE, AND THEY'LL, THEY'LL PLAN A ROUTE SPECIFICALLY FOR THAT DAY THAT WE'VE GOT 10 DIFFERENT PEOPLE THAT SAID THEY HAVE AN APPOINTMENT AT THE HOSPITAL AT 10 O'CLOCK TO 12 O'CLOCK AND THEY'LL PLAN THAT OUT.
UM, SO THE BUS BUS WILL GET FULLER.
SO ANYHOW, DON'T BE DISCOURAGED THAT PEOPLE AREN'T USING IT.
JUST BE ENCOURAGED IN THE FACT THAT SOON IF WE DON'T DO THAT, WE'RE IT'S GONNA, IT HAS TO GO THROUGH THAT MATRICULATION PROCESS TO BE SUCCESSFUL.
AND I PULL UP THE ROUTE WHILE WE'VE BEEN TALKING AND LOOK AT, I MEAN, IT'S A GOOD ROUTE.
IT GOES EV ALL THE WAY FROM, UH, USCB AND BLUFFTON TO TANGER OUTLETS THROUGH OLD TOWN AND PAST MEDICAL CENTERS AND SO ON.
IS IT A GET THE WORD OUT THING? IS IT? WELL, AND WE'RE TRYING TO BEAT DOWN THE GATES TO GET INTO SUN CITY CONVERSATION.
UM, AS SUN CITY AGENTS, THERE'S GONNA BE LESS DRIVERS.
SO THE OPPORTUNITY FOR THEM TO GET OUT AND GO TO TANGER OR GO TO THE GROCERY STORE OR GO TO WHEREVER, THOSE ARE OPPORTUNITIES THAT PALMETTO BREEZE IS WORKING ON RIGHT NOW.
THAT'S THE ONLY ONE YOU GO TO BECAUSE IT'S IN NO, I MEAN THE, UH, PALMETTO BREEZE PICKS UP AT FOOD LION 'CAUSE THEY'RE NOT ALLOWED TO GO IN THE GATE.
THAT'S ANOTHER, I MEAN, SAVANNAH, SAVANNAH ALREADY HAS ELECTRIC BUSES.
THEY'RE ALREADY DOING ELECTRIC BUSES TO COME BY AND DROP DOWN.
I WAS AT A PARADE AND I DIDN'T HEAR THE BUS, WHAT IN THE WORLD'S GOING ON HERE? AND THEY COME UP AND TOLD ME THEY'RE ALREADY IN ELECTRIC BUSES.
SO, I MEAN, FOR US, I THINK IT'S JUST A MATTER OF TIME.
AND TRANSPORTATION ACTUALLY FALLS UP UNDER ME AS FAR AS HAVING PATIENTS, PICKING UP PATIENTS.
AND I CAN TELL YOU THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT NEED RIDES OR REQUEST RIDES, UM, IS LIKE THROUGH ROOF.
I ACTUALLY NEED TO HIRE TWO MORE PEOPLE TO TAKE CARE OF THAT.
SO IF IT WAS SOMETHING THAT TOOK SOME OF THAT LOAD, I MEAN, I, I, I KNOW THE MARKET'S THERE.
I DON'T, I KNOW THE MARKET'S THERE BECAUSE I KNOW HOW MANY PEOPLE I SENT OUT ON ROUTES TO PICK PEOPLE UP TO BRING 'EM BACK AND FORTH.
SO I'M SAYING IT'S JUST A MATTER OF TIME, BUT IT'S THERE, YOU KNOW, I WISH IT WAS THERE NOW AND IT WILL IT'S MATTER, MATTER OF TIME BEFORE IT LINES UP.
AND THE MAIN, THE MAIN THING, I THINK WHAT HE'S, I THINK THAT HE'S SAYING IS THAT IF WE SIT DOWN NOW AND WE LOOK AT EFFECTIVELY WHERE THE ROUTES ARE, WHERE THEY'RE GOING TO BE, AND WE CAN MAKE A PRETTY GOOD JUDGMENT ABOUT WHERE PEOPLE ARE GOING TO AND WHERE THEY'RE COMING FROM, THAT TO THE EXTENT WE NEED TO MAKE SPECIFIC IMPROVEMENTS OR INCORPORATE THOSE INTO WIDENING PLANS,
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INTO OTHER KINDS OF PLANNING THAT WE'RE DOING FOR THESE ROADS AND STREETS.AND IF WE DO THAT TODAY, THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE THE MONEY SAVING IS WITHOUT HAVING TO GET, UH, YEARS FROM NOW HAVING TO TAKE, UH, 2 78 AND RETROFITTED 2 78 TO, YOU KNOW, RETROFIT FOR IT TO FOUR LANES OR SOMETHING.
BUT AT ANY RATE, THINKING ABOUT IT, PLANNING FOR IT, TO ME IS IMPORTANT.
UH, AND THE LAST ONE IS FERRY TERMINAL.
SO THIS IS, UM, ONLY IF, IF THIS STATUTE CHANGES IS NOT ALLOWED RIGHT NOW.
UM, BUT THIS, WHAT WE'VE LEARNED IN BEING IN THE FERRY BUSINESS IS ONE, WE'D PREFER NOT TO BE IN IT.
UH, THAT'S WHAT WE'VE LEARNED MOST.
BUT SECONDLY, WHAT WE LEARNED IS IN ORDER TO BE IN IT PROPERLY, YOU'VE GOT TO OWN THE TERMINAL.
AND, UM, OUR GOAL IS TO OWN THE TERMINAL AND FARM OUT THE OPERATION.
UM, SO THAT WAY WE'RE NOT MANAGING BOATS AND COAST GUARD CERTIFICATIONS AND CAPTAINS AND SCHEDULES.
UM, BUT THE WAY YOU RAISE YOUR HAND FOR FUNDING, UM, IF, IF YOU'RE TRYING TO GET, UH, FERRY TERMINAL FUNDING IS YOU GOT TO HAVE THE OWNERSHIP.
SO IF YOU DON'T OWN WHERE THE BOAT'S DOCKING AND CURRENTLY, UM, WE DON'T OWN WHERE WE'RE DOCKING AT DFU HOUR.
WE ARE ALSO HAVING TO LEAVE WHERE WE'RE CURRENTLY, UM, DEPARTING FROM AT BUCKINGHAM LAND INTO A DIFFERENT LOCATION.
AND THEN HAVING ENOUGH PARKING AND ACCOMMODATIONS, IT'S ALMOST LIKE AN AIRPORT TERMINAL AS FAR AS YOU HAVE PEOPLE COMING, YOU HAVE PEOPLE GOING, UM, YOU HAVE LONG TERM, YOU HAVE SHORT TERM PARKING.
UM, YOU HAVE, RIGHT NOW WE HAVE A PARK AND RIDE SYSTEM WITH THAT, BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH PARKING AT THE LOCATIONS WHERE PEOPLE ARE GETTING ONTO THE FERRY TERMINAL, UH, LONG TERM.
THERE'S TWO ADDITIONAL COMPONENTS THAT ARE PRETTY INTERESTING IS ONE, A CONNECTION TO SAVANNAH, UM, TO TAP INTO THEIR VISITOR, THEIR 15 MILLION VISITORS AND OUR 3 MILLION VISITORS, SO THEY CAN INTERACT BETWEEN A DAY TRIP TO SAVANNAH OR HILTON HEAD.
UH, SECONDLY IS A INTER INTERCOASTAL IN OUR OWN COMMUNITY.
SO IF WE HAD AN OPPORTUNITY FOR SOMEBODY TO GET ON THE FERRY AND GO FROM HILTON HEAD TO BLUFFTON, TO PORT ROYAL TO BEAUFORT, OR TO ST.
HELENA, TO BEAUFORT TO BACK, THERE MAY BE SOMETHING THERE.
IT MAY BE THAT THE FIRST THING IS A ST.
HELENA TO HILTON HEAD AS A WORKFORCE ISSUE.
SO YOU HAVE A DESTINATION THAT PEOPLE DRIVE TO AT ST.
HELENA INSTEAD OF HAVING TO DRIVE YOUR CAR.
AND I KNOW A HANDFUL OF PEOPLE THAT LIVE ON HAES LADIES ISLAND AND DRIVE TO HILTON HEAD.
AND THAT'S TWO HOURS OUT THEIR LIFE EACH DAY, EACH, IF THEY'RE WALKING EACH MORNING YEAH.
WE'VE BEEN, WE'VE BEEN SAYING THAT FOR YEARS.
SO ANYHOW, SO, UM, STRAIGHT ACROSS, DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH OF THAT WE CAN ACHIEVE OR HOW MUCH IS, IS, MAKES SENSE, BUT AT LEAST HAVING THE OPPORTUNITY TO ONE, SOLVE THE DUSKY SITUATION AND SECONDLY, EXPAND, UM, IF THAT'S A VIABLE, A VIABLE OPPORTUNITY.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S THE PROJECT PROGRAMS. AND AGAIN, THE NOTION IS THAT, AND THE DECISION OF COURSE IS WHAT, WHAT DOES THE ACTUAL BALLOT LOOK LIKE? WHAT INFORMATION IS ON THE BALLOT DOCUMENT? BECAUSE THAT WOULD THEN, AS OPPOSED TO THE, THE INFORMATION THAT WE WOULD UTILIZE OR WOULD BE UTILIZED IN THE CAMPAIGN TO SUPPORT AND BRING OUT THE VOTERS TO VOTE FOR IT.
SO THAT, THAT'S, THAT'S KIND OF A QUESTION, JARED, I THINK WE NEED TO MAYBE WRESTLE WITH A LITTLE BIT.
UM, SO EFFECTIVELY WHERE WE ARE IS, UM, WE HAVE, WE HAVE, AT LEAST WHERE WE ARE RIGHT NOW, IS AGREED UPON A ROUGH, UH, PERIOD OF TIME.
UM, WHICH I GUESS ABOUT 15 YEARS, WE'VE AGREED ON A PROJECTION OF, UH, OF A 5% GROWTH RATE, WHICH HAS GIVEN US A NUMBER.
WE HAVE A LIST OF SPECIFIC PROJECTS.
WE HAVE A LIST OF, OF GENERALLY BUCKET RELATED PROJECTS.
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UH, THE QUESTION IS AT, AT SOME POINT, AND I DON'T THINK WE'RE WE GOT, WE'VE GOT MORE TALKING TO DO, BUT, BUT NOT A LOT MORE TALK.I MEAN, WE'VE HIT THE, WE'VE HIT THE MAJOR MAJOR POINTS HERE.
SO THE ISSUE IS, UH, YOU KNOW, PUTTING THIS INTO SOME FORMAT, UH, THAT MAKES, UM, MAKES SENSE AND, AND A PACKAGE THAT WE CAN TAKE TO COUNTY COUNCIL, UH, AND EFFECTIVELY BRIEF THEM ON IT.
UH, AND, UH, DO YOU THINK IT MAKES ANY SENSE? I MEAN, LAST YEAR WHAT WE DID IS WE FINISHED IT, WE PUT THE STAMP ON IT, I WROTE THIS MEMO, WE WALKED IN THE DOOR, THEY LOOKED AT IT, AND THEY WERE, AND EVEN THE PEOPLE WHO HAD INDICATED PRIOR TO OUR PRESENTATION, THEY WEREN'T SUPPORTIVE OF IT, VOTED FOR IT WHEN IT WAS PUT UP FOR FIRST READING.
AND WE HAD UNANIMOUS SUPPORT ON THE FIRST READING FOR THAT, FOR THAT FOR THE PROJECT.
DO WE TRY TO DO THAT KIND OF THING AGAIN? OR DO WE, DO WE ENTER INTO SOME QUIET DISCUSSIONS WITH INDIVIDUAL COUNCIL MEMBERS AND CITIES TALKING ABOUT WHAT THE PROPOSAL IS BEFORE WE FINALIZE IT AND TAKE IT TO COUNTY COUNCIL? WELL, I CAN TELL YOU AS, UH, BLUFFTON REPRESENTATIVE, I'VE BEEN IN CONVERSATIONS WITH TOWN STAFF AND, UM, SOME OF THE THINGS THAT I'VE SAID HERE ARE A DIRECT RESULT OF THOSE CONVERSATIONS.
AND I, I CAN TELL YOU RIGHT NOW, I'LL GO BACK AFTER TONIGHT'S MEETING AND UPDATE 'EM, BUT THEY'RE VERY COMFORTABLE WITH WHERE WE'RE GOING.
SO, UH, I WOULD ASSUME OTHERS HAVE BEEN DOING THAT, OR WE'LL DO THAT A LITTLE BIT.
WE'RE IN CHAOS IN NORTHERN BEAUFORT COUNTY RIGHT NOW.
I HAVE NOT MET WITH THE, THE TOWN COUNCIL, UM, I MEAN ALL THE TOWN REPS YET.
BUT I THINK I WAS GONNA TALK TO TOM AFTER THE MEETING AND SINCE HE HAPPENS TO LIVE ON HILTON HEAD, WE'LL, WE'LL PROBABLY DOUBLE TEAM JUST THE STAFF, BUT, UH, 80% OF OUR STAFF PROBABLY DON'T EVEN LIVE ON HILTON HEAD.
SO THAT'S, YOU KNOW, THAT'S GOING TO BE SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE TO WORK WITH.
BUT, UH, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE DO DO SOME GROUNDWORK OR BACKGROUND WORK FIRST.
AND IF, AND INSTEAD OF JUST BRINGING IT DIRECTLY TO COUNCIL, MAYBE WE CAN GET IT THROUGH A COMMITTEE OF COUNCIL, WHICH WILL HELP US AND, UH, HELP US, UH, AT LEAST LAY THE PLAYING FIELD.
UM, I MEAN, WHAT YOU THINK, I MEAN, I MEAN, MS. MO COUNCIL, WHAT DO YOU THINK COUNCIL DIRECTED TO BRING US TO THEM? OR DID THEY YEAH, DID THEY DIRECTED TO BRING, BRING IT TO, YEAH, SO, SO, SO I THINK GOING THROUGH A COMMITTEE MADE SENSE.
HOWEVER, THIS COUNCIL OR THIS COMMITTEE IS AT THE PURVIEW AND DIRECTION OF THE COUNTY COUNCIL CHAIRMAN.
SO IT'S NOT AN ESTABLISHED COMMITTEE.
SO IF WE TALK TO THE CHAIRMAN AND THE CHAIRMAN, SO TECHNICALLY THIS COMMITTEE NEEDS TO REPORT BACK TO COUNTY COUNCIL AT WHOLE, UNLESS THE COUNTY COUNCIL CHAIRMAN WHO HAS THE AUTHORITY TO APPOINT THIS COMMITTEE SAID, TELLS YOU TO RUN THROUGH ONE OF THE OTHER COUNCIL COMMITTEES, UM, TAB.
DO YOU HAVE THOUGHTS? I DON'T KNOW.
IT SHOULD RUN THROUGH FINANCE.
I MEAN, TO ME IT, WELL, IT COULD RUN THROUGH EITHER, TO ME IT WOULD RUN THROUGH THE FINANCE COMMITTEE 'CAUSE YOU'RE TALKING MONEY, BUT THE WHOLE COUNCIL'S GONNA HAVE TO BE ON BOARD EVENTUALLY.
AND IF YOU RUN THROUGH A COMMITTEE, THEN THE COMMITTEE MEMBERS TRY TO BRING THE REST OF COUNSEL ALONG WITH FULL INFORMATION BECAUSE IF YOU PUT OUT AN 11 PAGE DOCUMENT RIGHT, AND THEY'RE NOT READING IT, SOME OF THEM DON'T.
WELL, I READ IT, BUT SOME PEOPLE DON'T READ IT, WHICH MEANS THE REST OF US WOULD LOBBY IT.
I THINK IT WOULD NEED TO BE A, A QUESTION FROM YOU AS A CHAIRMAN TO COUNTY COUNCIL CHAIRMAN AND ASK HOW HE WOULD LIKE IT.
AND YOU COULD IN YOUR ASK GIVE YOUR THOUGHTS.
BUT THAT MADE EACH OTHER PRETTY WELL.
SO, BUT I, LAST YEAR WAS GOOD BECAUSE THEY TOOK WHAT YOU SAID AND JUST HIT STAMP AND APPROVE.
BUT IS THAT THE BEST WAY TO GET LARGE SUPPORT? I DON'T KNOW IF I COULD, IF I COULD SAY, I MEAN, IF YEAR THE PROCESS WORKED, THE THE LETTER WORKED, IT GOT UNANIMOUS FIRST VOTE.
THE ONLY REASON IT GOT SIDE RAILED IN MY OPINION, IS BE, AND WE, WE WRESTLED WITH WHETHER WE SHOULD EVEN RECOMMEND IT, UM, BECAUSE OF TIMING.
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ONLY REASON IT GOT SIDE RAILED WAS BECAUSE OF THE GREEN SPACE.SOME CAME IN, UM, I WASN'T TRYING TO THROW HIM UNDER THE BUS, BUT YEAH, TOM DID IT.
UM, I WONDER IF THIS IS JUST ME, I WONDER IF WE'RE BOGGING IT DOWN IF WE TRY AND BRING IT THROUGH A COMMITTEE WHEN COUNCIL AS A WHOLE WAS RECEPTIVE TO IT LAST YEAR AND PROBABLY IS RECEPTIVE TO IT AND THEY'RE PROBABLY GOING TO TAKE IT AND THEN RUN IT THROUGH A COMMITTEE AFTER WE HAND IT TO THEM.
YOU'RE YOU'RE PUSHING MORE TIME IN THERE.
SO THE PROBLEM WITH FINANCE IS WE DON'T HAVE A COUNTY COUNCIL MEETING AFTER FINANCE COMMITTEE.
GENERALLY IT'S THE ONE THAT DOESN'T HAVE IT.
IT'S A, SO IF YOU WENT THROUGH FACILITIES OR ALICE'S COMMITTEE, THOSE COMMITTEES HAVE A COUNTY COUNCIL MEETING RIGHT AFTER.
I MEAN, MOST OF THE PEOPLE COME TO ONE OF THOSE COMMITTEE MEETINGS BECAUSE WE HAVE A COUNTY COUNCIL MEETING AFTER YOU WON'T SEE THEM ALL AT FINANCE COMMITTEE.
SO ONE OF THE OTHER TWOS PROBABLY A GOOD CHOICE.
PROBABLY THE BEST BET TO PUT IT THROUGH, UH, COMMUNITY, YOU KNOW, ALICE'S COMMITTEE.
CLEARLY, CLEARLY WHAT WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO DO, HOWEVER, WE, AND FOR THOSE OF US PARTICULARLY WHO, WHO ARE MUNICIPALLY CONNECTED HERE, BEFORE WE BRING THIS TO ANYBODY, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE CITIES, THE MUNICIPALITIES UNDERSTAND IT AND HOPEFULLY WILL SUPPORT IT.
AND IF THE ALL FOR IT SOLIDLY AND WE, WE SOMETHING SOLID THERE.
COUNTY COUNCIL WILL BE, WILL BE, TEND TO BE MORE ACCEPTING OF IT THAN THEY WOULD BE IF, IF, UH, YOU REMEMBER, YOU REMEMBER THE FIGHTS WE HAD OVER, UM, IMPACT FEES, THE, THE BLOCK PARKWAY WAY, THE WAY WE, THE WAY WE HAD WHAT THE EXTENSION, YOU KNOW, MONEY TO PUT BLUFFED PARKWAY THROUGH.
IT'S BEEN APPROVED TWICE ALREADY.
YOU KNOW, KNOW IF I COULD SAY ONE OTHER THING.
I WAS NOT ON COUNCIL WHEN YOU PRESENTED THIS, BUT I WAS THERE LISTENING.
BUT THEY, MOST OF THE MEMBERS KNOW FROM LAST YEAR AND THEY KNOW YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A PENNY REFERENDUM.
SO THEY KNOW SOMETHING'S COMING.
AND IF YOU PUT THIS TOGETHER WITH THAT, IT'S NOT A STRETCH.
AND I THINK THE TOWNS AND MUNICIPALITIES GET IT TOO.
WELL, DEAN'S, RIGHT, THEY NEED TO SUPPORT, THE MUNICIPALITIES NEED TO SUPPORT THIS.
AND THAT'S PART OF OUR JOB IS TO, UM, JERRY, COULD YOU, I DON'T WANNA FORGET TO ASK THIS, CAN YOU SEND US AN UPDATED VERSION OF WHAT WE WENT THROUGH LAST NIGHT? BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW IF WE'VE BEEN EMAILED A KIND OF A
YEAH, THE ONE WE JUST, NOT THE ONE THAT'S UP THERE.
I HAVE A MEETING WITH THE FUTURE MAYOR IN THE NEXT COUPLE DAYS AND I'LL WE'LL, WE'LL GET IT OUT TOMORROW AHEAD OF THE MINUTES.
YOU ALL ARE THE CITIES, WE'RE THE DISTRICTS.
YOU ALL HAVE FIGUREHEADS TO SPEAK TO MAYORS OR WHO WHOEVER'S GETTING ELECTED IN, UM, DO THAT.
BUT MY 2 CENTS IS ABSOLUTELY DON'T BOG THIS DOWN.
THEY SET UP THIS, THIS COMMITTEE.
UM, MAYBE WE DO IT IN A WAY THAT THEY CAN JUST READ THE SUMMARY AT THE BEGINNING AND THEN, YOU KNOW, EXPAND ON IT MORE.
WHY DON'T JUST TAKE THAT LETTER AND REWORK.
YEAH, WE WRITE IT CHANGE THE DATE AND ALSO, AND THE AMOUNT.
IT'S FINE FOR WHEN YOU PRESENT IT TO COUNSEL ON BEHALF OF US THAT WE COULD BE THERE.
IF THEY HAVE QUESTIONS, WE'RE THERE TO DISCUSS IT.
BUT I WORRY ABOUT IT GETTING BOGGED DOWN.
WELL, WAIT A MINUTE, WHAT ABOUT MY SECTION? WELL, HOW COME, YOU KNOW, I I THINK IF WE'VE WORKSHOP IT, WE'RE NEVER GONNA GET IT DONE.
WELL, SO THE EXPECTATION FROM CHAIRMAN PASSMAN AT THE VERY BEGINNING THAT HE SET OUT WAS THAT THIS WOULD COME BACK BY THE END OF THE YEAR TO COUNTY COUNCIL.
THE ONLY TIME FOR THAT TO HAPPEN IS ON DECEMBER 11TH.
THAT'S THEIR ONLY COUNTY COUNCIL MEETING MEETING.
SEE IF IT WENT TO ALICE'S COMMITTEE BEFORE THAT COUNCIL MEETING.
THOSE ARE NOT HIT BY THESE MUNICIPALITIES.
BUT WE DON'T HAVE ANOTHER ONE OF THOSE THIS YEAR.
WE ONLY HAVE TWO MORE POSSIBILITIES TO MEET BETWEEN NOW AND THEN TOO.
SHE COULD CALL DECEMBER, DECEMBER 11TH.
DECEMBER 11TH IS WHEN AND WHEN WE GIVE IT TO, TO THE COUNTY COUNCIL.
COULD BE A SPECIAL ONE AHEAD OF DECEMBER.
BE BECAUSE I, I ASSUME WE'RE NOT MEETING NEXT THURSDAY.
NO, NOT NO SPECIAL MEETING UNLESS YOU'RE COOKING FOR ME.
HOW ARE YOU GOOD AT PIES? ARE YOU GOOD AT MAKING PIES?
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SO NOT NEXT THURSDAY, BUT THEN WE'LL HAVE TWO THURSDAYS AFTER THAT.THEN THE PRESENTATION ON THE 11TH AM I SO PUT IT DOING THE MATH RIGHT.
THAT SPECIAL MEETING BEFORE THIS, THAT GOES TO THE DATES.
ASK A QUESTION THAT WE HAVEN'T, YOU KNOW, AND IT'S PROBABLY NOT A PART OF THIS ALL.
IT'S GOING SO WELL, BUT, UM, SEE, THAT'S A PROBLEM.
I SHOULD HAVE NEVER SEEN THE BOOK TWO ANYHOW.
HAVE WE EVER, ANYTHING EVER COME UP ABOUT ANY TYPE OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING? THERE'S A LOT GOING, THERE'S A LOT GOING ON THERE.
I'M MARRIED TO THE WOMAN WHO IS CHAIR OF THE COUNTY'S AFFORDABLE OF, OF THE REGIONAL AFFORDING AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
I DIDN'T KNOW THAT ARE WELL, I'M PLAYING.
I SAW YOU GUYS JUST STUCK US INTO THIS STUFF.
THEY GOT SOME NICE STRUCTURED, AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
IT'S LIKE THEY DID A, IT WAS SOME TYPE OF EXPERIMENT THEY DID, BUT THEY BUILT NOT, THEY BUILT SOME NICE PLACES.
AND THEY MIXED IT IN WHERE, WHERE IT WAS A MIX OF COMMUNITY, NOT JUST, YOU KNOW, YOU HAD TO BE THIS TYPE OF INCOME.
IT WAS HIGH INCOME, MEDIUM INCOME ACCORDING TO WHAT YOU WERE, BUT YOU WERE IN PRIME LOCATIONS, PRIME SPOTS.
ONE ON THE ONE ON THE EAST SIDE, CLOSER TO THE GARDEN CITY SIDE.
AND THEY DID ANOTHER ONE ON THE, I WOULD SAY THE, NO, THAT'S THE WEST SIDE.
ANOTHER ONE ON THE EAST SIDE CLOSER TO LIKE, UM,
AND THEY'RE, THESE ARE NICE LOOKING PLACES, NOT JUST, I MEAN, IT'S A PLACE THAT I THINK ANYBODY WILL WANT TO STAY IN.
AND I THINK, I DON'T KNOW HOW THE EXPERIMENT'S BEEN GOING, BUT WHEN I PASS THROUGH THERE, IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S WORKING.
IS, IS, AND AND I THINK THE CITY OF SAVANNAH HAS IT IS A, IS A PROCESS BY WHICH WHEN A DEVELOPER WALKS IN THE DOOR AND WANTS TO PUT IN RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURES, MULTI-FAMILY STRUCTURES, UM, THEY PUT A CRITERIA ON 'EM AND SAY, YOU'VE GOT TO MAKE A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE OF THESE STRUCTURES AFFORDABLE.
AND THERE'S VERY SPECIFIC CRITERIA FOR HOW THEY DO THAT.
AND THEY CAN'T LOOK ANY DIFFERENT.
AND THE REST OF 'EM, THEY, THEY'RE GONNA BE LIKE THE ONES, THE OTHER ONES, BUT THEY'VE GOTTA BE, YOU'VE GOTTA HAVE AFFORDABLE STRUCTURES IN THERE.
IT'S, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S THE MOST COMPLICATED DAMN STUFF.
I'VE, I MEAN, IT MAKES THIS LOOK EASY, UH, FIGURING OUT HOW YOU DO IT.
MY WIFE HAS A, THERE'S A RETREAT TOMORROW MORNING STARTING AT SEVEN O'CLOCK, UH, THAT SHE'S GONNA BE OUT ALL DAY WITH HER BOARD TRYING TO WORK ON IT.
THEY SAID STEWART VICE CHAIRMAN, THE ONE POPULATION TO WANT TO DO BETTER.
SO I DON'T KNOW HOW, YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST HOW THAT'S BEEN WORKING.
WHEN YOU, ARE YOU THINKING, BECAUSE YOU, IT WAS LISTED IN HERE AT SOME POINT THAT WE COULD CONSIDER IT.
THAT LEGISLATION IS NOT PASSED YET, HAS IT TO ALLOW NO, THAT WAS, THAT WAS IN THE CAPITAL PROJECTS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT.
UM, BUT YEAH, THAT STATUTE HADN'T BEEN INTRODUCED OR THAT AMENDMENT TO THE STATUTE.
CAN I JUST CLOSE THE LOOP ON PRESENTING THIS? SO IF THIS HAS TO GO TO COUNCIL DECEMBER 11TH, YOU COULD ASK ALICE'S COMMITTEE TO MEET AN, UH, YOU KNOW, AN EXTRA MEETING ON THAT DAY BEFOREHAND.
SO IT'S A TWO HOUR BLOCK THAT YOU COULD HAVE THIS WHOLE DISCUSSION AND THEN YOU GO INTO COUNTY COUNCIL AND IT WOULD BE A SINGLE ITEM EXCEPT FOR THAT IT WOULD BE A SHORT DISCUSSION AT COUNTY COUNCIL.
BECAUSE WE WOULD ALREADY CHEWED IT UP AND EXECUTIVE SUMMARY, THIS IS WHAT WE CAME OUT WITH.
AND TO ME, THAT'S YOUR BETTER PATH.
EVERYBODY CAN GET IN ADVANCE, READ IT, COME WITH THEIR QUESTIONS, ASK YOU, GRILL YOU, THEN IT GOES TO COUNTY COUNCIL AND IT'S FIRST READING AND WE'RE DONE.
IT COULD BE ADVERTISED THAT, HEY, COMMITTEE MEMBERS, THIS IS THE TOPIC.
HERE'S YOUR, THE THINGS ATTACHED.
THAT'S HOW I THINK YOU SHOULD PRESENT IT.
BUT THAT'S PREDICATED IF CHAIRMAN PASSMAN SAYS HE'S SUPPOSED, WELL, LET ME SAY, IF YOU GUYS PRESENT IT THAT WAY, JARED'S BEHIND IT OR WHY WOULDN'T HE? I, I SAID, YOU KNOW, I'M, I'M JUST PLAYING PROTOCOL.
EVEN THOSE COMMITTEE MEETINGS NORMALLY START
WHEN DOES THE COMMITTEE MEETING NORMALLY START? THREE O'CLOCK.
AND THEN THE WHAT TIME IS COUNCIL'S AT FIVE.
SO THAT GIVES YOU REALLY GOOD TIME TO TALK ABOUT WHAT YOU DID.
LOOK AT THE DOCUMENTS, LET PEOPLE ASK QUESTIONS.
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WHO READ IT AND WHO DIDN'T.AND YOU COULD ASK PROBING QUESTIONS TOO.
THERE'S NONE, NO REASON YOU CAN'T ASK THEM.
I MEAN, I, I I DINNER SERVED IS THERE, WHAT? DINNER SERVED? NO.
WE GET, UH, DORITOS AND STUFF AT 4 45.
MAYBE THE CHAIRMAN DON'T THINK THAT'S A BETTER PATH TO MOVE THINGS OVER.
VICE CHAIR IS RESPONSIBILITY THERE.
WHY WOULD HE SAY NO? HE LET ME, UH, AS THE ROOKIE GET UP THE SPEED AND I'VE GOT A COUPLE COMMENTS AND QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE ALREADY ANSWERED, BUT, UH, UH, I AM COMMUNICATING WITH, UH, UH, THE MAYOR AND TOWN MANAGER, ASSISTANT TOWN MANAGER, AND JARED'S COUNTERPART, UH, EVERY WEEK SO THEY KNOW EXACTLY WHERE THE COMMITTEE IS.
UH, BUT I THINK I WAS REALLY SURPRISED, PLEASANTLY SURPRISED BY THE VOTE ON THE SCHOOL DISTRICT, UH, CAPITOL.
UH, AND I THINK, I THINK FRANK HAS LAID A TEMPLATE AT OUR FEET, UH, OF HOW TO GET THIS DONE.
AND I THINK WE OUGHT TO PICK UP MUCH OF WHAT HE'S DONE.
AND, UH, WHAT HE DID MOST EFFECTIVELY WAS COMMUNICATED YES, WITH EVERYBODY ROUTINELY AND FREQUENTLY.
UH, THE QUESTION I HAVE IS, I, I GET WHAT JARED PUT UP ON THE SCREEN, WHERE IS THE DETAIL ADDED AT OUR LEVEL OR TABS LEVEL COUNTY COUNCIL.
BUT SOMEPLACE IN THAT, IF YOU GO BACK AND LOOK AT WHAT FRANK DID WITH HIS COMMUNICATION, HE PUT DETAIL TO IT.
AND THERE WAS SO MUCH BREADTH COVERED COUNTYWIDE THAT ANYBODY THAT LOOKED AT IT HAD TO FIND SOMETHING THEY LIKED AND MOTIVATED THEM TO SUPPORT IT.
AND I THINK THE SAME THING IS HERE.
SO MY QUESTION AND WHETHER WE ANSWERED TO, TO KNIGHT OR SOMETIME BEFORE DECEMBER 11TH, WHERE DO WE PUT THE DETAIL ON THIS? BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S MISSING HERE.
UH, JARED, WHY IS THERE A GREEN BELT IN HERE? THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT STARTED FROM LAST YEAR AND WE CARRIED IT FORWARD AND WE TALKED ABOUT IT A LITTLE BIT, BUT MORRIS, A LITTLE LIKE YOU CAN GET A GOOD ANSWER.
YOU KNOW, I I THINK THAT IT WAS CONSENSUS THAT WE KEEP GREEN BELT IN HERE BECAUSE GREEN BELT IS A GRAVEL FOR SOME PEOPLE.
AND IF THEY SEE GREEN BELT AS A PART OF THIS INITIATIVE, THEY WILL SUPPORT THE GREENBELT PART AS WELL AS THE ROAD PART.
UH, THEY, THEY GO HAND IN HAND REALLY, UM, IN, IN THE SENSE OF, UM, HAVING A GOOD, A GOOD ROAD SYSTEM AS WELL AS GOOD, GOOD TRANSPORTATION SYSTEM, I SHOULD SAY, AS WELL AS THE AESTHETICS AND ALL OF THOSE OTHER THINGS THAT WOULD BE, UM, A PART OF THAT GREEN BELT.
AND THE, THE POINT TO, UH, TOM, I THINK THE, WE ARE JUST A COMMITTEE NOW SAYING THAT YES, WE HAVE, UH, IDENTIFIED AND WE THINK THAT IT'S IMPORTANT FOR US TO HAVE THIS AS A REFERENDUM, BUT THE DETAILS SHOULD COME FROM THE PROFESSIONALS, NOT US.
WE ARE NOT THE CAMPAIGN COMMITTEE.
WE ARE BASICALLY THE COMMITTEE SAYING THAT WE SAW THE NEEDS AND WE AGREE THAT THERE IS A NEED AND WE ARE RECOMMENDING THAT WE GO AFTER THE PENNY, UM, FROM THE PUBLIC INSTEAD OF GETTING INTO THE WEEDS.
AS FAR AS THE DETAIL, THE CAMPAIGN OF IT CANNOT BE DONE BY US NOR COUNTY COUNCIL IS MY UNDERSTANDING.
I'LL TELL WHAT SOLD THE, WHAT I THINK SOLD THE REFERENDUM.
THEY HAVE A CITIZEN OVERSIGHT COMMITTEE.
AND THEY MONITOR THE 2019 REFERENDUM, HOW THAT MONEY WAS SPENT AND THE REPORT OUT.
THAT WAS, THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO PEOPLE.
OUR UPHILL CLIMB IS A, THE BRIDGE IS STILL IN ABEYANCE.
SO PEOPLE STILL REMEMBER WE HAVE THAT AND, AND YOU KNOW, AT LEAST I THINK 16% OF PEOPLE VOTED IN THE REFERENDUM ELECTION.
YOUR ELECTION'S GONNA BE A PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION.
SO WE HAVE TO DO A BIG SELL ON THIS.
BY THE WAY THE REFERENDUM DID YOUR POINT, WE A GREAT BIG CHUNK OF THAT 18 REFERENDUM THAT WE NOT DONE.
WHICH IS THE BIGGEST THING PUSH THE, TO ME THAT WE, WE HAVE TO, YOU HAVE TO SWEET TALK THAT.
WELL THAT'S WHY, THAT'S WHY I TOLD JARED, YOU KNOW, AS WE APPROACH THE, THE ELECTION NEXT YEAR, I WANT AS MANY,
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UH, YELLOW VESTS, RED TRUCKS, SHOVELS HAPPENING, SHOVEL PEOPLE OUT ON THE DAMN ROAD.SO YOUR YOUR POINT TOM IS A GOOD POINT.
BUT THAT'S NOT, THAT'S NOT OUR JOB AT THIS POINT TO SELL IT.
I MEAN, NOT TO PROMOTE IT AS FAR AS, UH, THE ELECTION PROCESS IS CONCERNED, BUT WE'VE DONE OUR DUE DILIGENCE BASICALLY SAYING THAT YES, WE SHOULD DO IT.
AND THEN THERE'S A CITIZEN GROUP OR THERE'S A PROMOTIONAL GROUP, UH, BE IT THE CHAIRMAN OF COMMERCE, BE IT, UH, THE POES FROM VARIOUS COMMUNITIES, BUT THAT'S A SEPARATE ENTITY.
SO, UM, AFTER THE SEVENTH OR AFTER THE, THE 11TH, UM, WE, WE ARE IN THE SUNSET.
NOT UNLESS YOU WANT TO COME BACK AND BE THE, BE THE POSTER CHILD FOR, FOR THE, FOR THE PENNY TAX.
BUT I THINK IT'S AN EXCELLENT POINT.
'CAUSE WE'VE DONE A LOT OF GOOD WORK.
I THINK WE'VE DONE IT TWICE NOW.
AND WE HAVE GOOD RECOMMENDATIONS AND WE WANT TO SEE IT PASSED THAT WE'RE RECOMMENDING THIS AND WE WANT THAT PENNY PASSED.
SO YOU'RE EXACTLY RIGHT IN THIS REPORT, WE NEED TO SAY IT'S NOT GOING TO GET PASSED BASED ON LOW TURNOUT BASED ON, YOU KNOW, WE DIDN'T ACCOMPLISH AS MUCH AS WE WANTED TO ACCOMPLISH FROM THE 2018.
I THINK THOSE ARE ALL VALID POINTS.
AND I THINK THAT COUNTY COUNCIL NEEDS TO TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION AND DETERMINE HOW THEY'RE GOING TO GO FORWARD FROM OUR RECOMMENDATIONS TO DO EXACTLY WHAT FRANK RODRIGUEZ DID AND HIS PEOPLE.
I THINK THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT WHETHER THAT WAS ETHICAL, WHETHER HE USED MONEY FOR PROMOTIONS.
THERE WAS SOME ISSUES ABOUT THAT.
I PERSONALLY AM THRILLED THAT IT PASSED THAT THAT'S ME.
UM, BUT NO, IT, IT, THIS IS ALL FOR NOT IF THEY DON'T GET THE INFORMATION OUT.
SO I I ABSOLUTELY AGREE WITH YOU AND WE SHOULD PUT IT IN OUR RECOMMENDATION.
HERE ARE THE, THE TROUBLESOME SPOTS YOU'RE GONNA HAVE AND YOU NEED TO GET OVER THOSE WITH A BIG CAMPAIGN.
HOWEVER THEY CHOOSE TO DO IT LEGALLY.
IS IT YOUR PLAN TO UPDATE THIS DOCUMENT WITH CURRENT? I I WOULD HOPE THAT, UH, SOMEBODY ON THE COMMITTEE WOULD YEAH.
I I I, I WOULD, WHAT I WOULD DO WOULD BE TO TAKE, I WROTE THAT LETTER, SO I WOULD TAKE, I HAVE IT ON MY COMPUTER.
I KNOW
AND I, AND I THINK, I THINK HAVING ESSENTIALLY A SECTION ON WHAT I, WHAT MIGHT CALL CHALLENGES, UM, YOU HAVE JUST TO LOOK AT WHAT YOU HAVE RIGHT HERE.
I MEAN, YOU KIND OF GO THROUGH, YOU GOT ALL RIGHT THERE.
IF YOU'RE THE CHARGE CHALLENGES DO PROS TOO.
YOU KNOW, YOU GET AN A PLUS ON THE PROJECT, I MIGHT ADD.
AND DON'T YOU THINK PEOPLE WILL UNDERSTAND GREEN SPACE IS FALLING OFF, SO THIS IS JUST A CONTINUATION OF A PENNY.
OH, WE HAVE A GREEN SPACE COMPONENT ON THIS TOO.
SO PEOPLE WHO ARE INTERESTED IN YES, BUT I MEAN, WE'RE NOT RERUNNING THE GREEN SPACE PENNY.
I DON'T SEE HOW, I HOPE NOT GREEN SPACE ON BE THIS PENNY DOESN'T CONFLICT WITH DAVIS'S GREEN SPACE COMPLIMENTED.
RIGHT? WELL IT'S ACTUALLY MORE STRUCTURED THAN DAVIS'S GREEN SPACE.
DAVIS'S IS GONE AT THE END OF THIS YEAR.
AND I DON'T THINK WE'LL BE ABLE TO SPEND A A HUNDRED MILLION, THE GREEN SPACES.
I'VE GOT A, I I WORK FOR THE OPEN LAND TRUST.
YEAH, I WAS GONNA SAY WE, YEAH.
UM, THEY HAVE A WHOLE LIST OF PLACES.
THAT A HUNDRED MILLION CAN GO LIKE THAT.
IF THEY DECIDED THEY WANTED TO GO, ESPECIALLY IN THE AREAS WHERE THERE'S HIGH TRAFFIC AND WE'RE TRYING TO BUY IT AND IT'S HIGH DEMAND LAND.
UNLESS, UNLESS THE FUNDS ARE USED TO BUY DENSITY.
SOMETIMES YOU BUY THE LAND AND YOU DON'T HAVE TO BUY THE DENSITY.
YOU CAN BUY THE DENSITY AND NOT THE LAND.
I, I AND I PERSONALLY LIKE THAT BECAUSE THEN WE DON'T HAVE THE MAINTENANCE OF THE LAND.
AND I MEAN, IF WE NEED THE LAND FOR A PARK AND, AND RIDE, THAT'S GREAT.
IF WE NEED TO LAND FOR A TERMINAL, WE'RE GONNA USE IT.
BUT IF WE NEED THE LAND TO SAY, GOSH, WE DON'T WANT ANY MORE DEVELOPERS PUTTING 6,000 BILLION HOUSES HERE, WE JUST CAN BUY THE CONSERVATION RIGHTS AND NOT HAVE TO MAINTAIN THAT PROPERTY.
I DON'T, THE COUNTY DOESN'T NEED TO GET INTO ALL THAT.
I THINK THERE'S SOME CONSERVATION THAT YOU CAN BUY AND NOT NECESSARILY BUY THE LAND.
THEY, THEY, THAT'S WHERE THEIR HEADS ARE FOR THE MOST PART.
THEY, THEY, THEY'RE NOT REALLY INTERESTED IN OWNING A LOT OF THIS PROPERTY.
UM, THERE'S SOME, THERE'S SOME VERY BIG DEALS THAT ARE ROAMING AROUND OUT THERE RIGHT NOW.
SO BEFORE DECEMBER 11TH, WE HAVE NEXT WEEK IS THANKSGIVING, AND THEN WE HAVE THE 30TH AND DECEMBER THE SEVENTH, AND THEN THE, THE WEEK OF
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THE 11TH.SO WE HAVE TWO MEETINGS BEFOREHAND.
WHAT DO YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE NEXT TWO MEETINGS? WHAT I, WHAT I WILL DO FOR THE MEETING ON, UH, THE NEXT MEETING, 30TH AFTER CHRISTMAS, I WILL HAVE REDRAFTED THIS DOCUMENT AND WE WILL HAVE THIS AVAILABLE.
EVERYBODY WILL HAVE TO BE ABLE TO REVIEW BEFORE WE MEET.
YOU MAY NOT NEED THE MEETING ON THE SEVENTH OR WE MAY WANT TO USE IT TO TALK ABOUT THE OTHER TWO TAXES.
I'LL GET A DRAFT OUT SO EVERYBODY CAN REVIEW THAT.
AND I AM, I AM THIS ALL MY LIFE.
SO EDITING PEOPLE, HAVING EDITING MY WRITING IS NOT SOMETHING I AM, UH, UNCOMFORTABLE WITH YOU.
IF YOU, YOU WANT SOMETHING CHANGED, WE CHANGE IT.
I, IT'S, UH, SO THAT IN ONE MEETING.
AND, UM, AND THAT, AND THAT SHOULD BE, I THINK, EXCELLENT.
AND THAT GIVES US THEN ANOTHER WEEK AND A HALF FINISH UP AND POLISH UP WHATEVER WE WANT TO DO.
AND, AND, AND WE'LL TALK TO THE CHAIRMAN, UH, MAYBE NEXT WEEK.
MAY, NEXT WEEK MAY NOT BE GOOD.
MAYBE THE WEEK AFTER THANKSGIVING.
GOTTA FIND OUT, YOU KNOW, WHAT HIS, WHAT HIS PLAN IS AND WHAT HE'D LIKE, HOW HE'D LIKE TO MAKE THIS WORK.
AND I THINK THAT IF HE ALLOWS US TO DO IT THE WAY COUNCILWOMAN SUGGESTS, ARE WE ALL COMFORTABLE GOING ON THE 11TH AT THREE O'CLOCK? ANSWER QUESTIONS, DISCUSS, ATTEND THE FIVE O'CLOCK, HOPEFULLY GET A THUMBS UP AND THEN SEE YOU LATER.
DOES EVERYONE, IS EVERYONE OKAY WITH THAT PLAN? IF IT'S, IF IT'S ALLOWED, WE HAVE TO BRING DINNER IN FOR YOU GUYS.
IF YOU WANT ME TO TALK AND YOU HAVE TO HOLD IT HERE.
I DON'T, I DON'T SEE A PROBLEM.
DO YOU, OTHER THAN SOME PEOPLE DON'T LIKE TO BE TOLD WHAT TO DO.
WELL, THE ONLY, ONLY PROBLEM, UM, IS FROM JOHN'S PERSPECTIVE, HE WAS TOLD TO KEEP IT TO VERY SHORT ON THAT ONE MEETING.
SO WELL, BUT THIS COMMITTEE TAKES A TOP PRIORITY, SO, SO THAT WE WE CAN TALK.
I THINK YOUR APPROACH IS WORTHWHILE MEETING YOU AND JOHN ON THIS TO TALK ABOUT.
IT'S REALLY, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO CONVINCE THE CHAIR.
OTHERWISE, THIS PUSHES TO JANUARY.
AND NOW WE'RE, OR, OR IT JUST PUSHES TO COUNCIL MEETING AND THE SESSIONS FULLY ON 11TH.
IF WE HAVE TO GO BEFORE COUNCIL, DO WHAT DEAN HAS DONE IN THE PAST THAT THAT MEETING'S ALREADY, I CAN TELL GOING TO BE A LENGTHY MEETING.
SO YOU DON'T REALLY WANNA BE AT JUST THE COUNCIL MEETING FOR THE PRESENTATION.
THE AMOUNT OF EFFORT THAT'S BEEN PUT INTO THIS COMMITTEE TO HAVE THE AMOUNT OF ATTENTION.
I THINK YOU WOULD GET A GREATER ATTENTION AT A COMMITTEE MEETING LATER AS YOU SUGGESTED AND ONLY HAVE THE EXECUTIVE SUMMARY PRESENTED AT THE COUNCIL MEETING.
YEAH, I I THINK THAT'S A GOOD WAY TO GO.
AND YOU EXPLAINED THAT TO THE JUROR.
WHAT'S THAT? YOU'RE ON THE OPEN LAND TRUST.
I I'M STILL IN A COMMITTEE OVER THERE.
AND THEN I'VE GOT THIS THAT I DROPPED OFF IN FRONT OF EVERYBODY.
WHAT DO THEY HAVE TO DO WITH THIS? CAN WE PAID WITH, UH, CAN WE PAY ONCE THE PENNY TAXES PASSED ON
SO, UM, I WILL REDRAFT THE LETTER AND HAVE THAT IN EVERYBODY'S HANDS RIGHT AFTER THANKSGIVING SO THAT SHE, WE HAVE A CHANCE TO LOOK AT IT AND TALK ABOUT IT AT THE MEETING.
IT'S, YOU SAID, OH, UNIT A RECOMMENDATION.
I'LL, I'LL REDRAFT THE LETTER SO IT CONFIRMS WHAT, WHAT WE'VE DONE.
AND, UM, I WILL TALK TO THE CHAIRMAN AND IF YOU, YOU KIND OF DO YOUR LITTLE POKING AROUND AS WHAT, WHAT WE WANT TO DO.
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OR A PRESENTATION THAT WE CAN PUT ON THE SCREEN AND TALK DETAIL, WE CAN, WE CAN MAKE THAT HAPPEN.WHAT ELSE WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT TONIGHT? YOU GOT ANYTHING YOU WANT TO ADD TONIGHT? AMEN.
THIS HAS BEEN, THIS HAS BEEN A GREAT, YEAH.
AND WE'VE, WE'VE GOT SOME THINGS.
ANY OPPOSED? WE ARE ADJOURNED.