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I'D LIKE TO CALL THIS PLANNING COMMISSION TO ORDER THIS WEDNESDAY, OCTOBER THE 25TH.
MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? CHAIRWOMAN AMANDA DENMARK.
HERE, VICE CHAIRMAN CHARLIE WHITMORE.
COMMISSIONER JASON STEWART HERE.
[III. NOTICE REGARDING ADJOURNMENT]
PLANNING COMMISSION WILL NOT HEAR NEW ITEMS AFTER 9:30 PM UNLESS AUTHORIZED BY A MAJORITY VOTE OF THE COMMISSION MEMBERS PRESENT ITEMS WHICH HAVE NOT BEEN HEARD BEFORE NINE 30 MAY BE CONTINUED TO THE NEXT REGULAR MEETING OR SPECIAL MEETING DATE AS DETERMINED BY THE COMMISSION MEMBERS NOTICE REGARDING PUBLIC COMMENT.[IV. NOTICE REGARDING PUBLIC COMMENTS]
EVERY MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC WHO'S RECOGNIZED TO SPEAK SHALL ADDRESS THE CHAIRMAN.AND IN SPEAKING, AVOID DISRESPECT, DISRESPECT, COMMISSION, STAFF OR OTHER MEMBERS OF THE MEETING STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS WHEN SPEAKING FOR THE RECORD, COMMENTS ARE LIMITED TO THREE MINUTES.
[V. ADOPTION OF THE AGENDA]
AGENDA? I MOVE THE SECOND.ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.
I MAY HAVE ADOPTION OF THE MINUTES
[VI. ADOPTION OF MINUTES]
FOR SEPTEMBER THE 27TH.ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR A AYE.
PUBLIC COMMENTS FOR ITEMS NOT ON THE AGENDA.
[VIII.1. Big Blue Marble Academy (Certificate of Appropriateness- Highway Corridor Overlay)]
BIG BLUE MARBLE ACADEMY.CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, HIGHWAY CORRIDOR OVERLAY.
A REQUEST BY SAMANTHA
DEVELOPER MANAGER ON BEHALF OF THE PARCEL OWNERS FOR APPROVAL OF A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS.
UM, SO THIS IS A REQUEST FOR THE LANDSCAPING, LIGHTING AND ARCHITECTURE FOR BIG BLUE MARBLE ACADEMY, WHICH IS AN 11,293 SQUARE FOOT ONE STORY CHILDCARE FACILITY, WHICH INCLUDES AN OUTDOOR PLAY AREA, THE ASSOCIATED PARKING.
UM, IT'S LOCATED AT THE INTERSECTION OF MILL CREEK BOULEVARD AND OAKLEY HIGHWAY, WHICH IS ONE 70, WHICH IS WHY IT IS IN THE HIGHWAY CORRIDOR.
UM, IT IS IN THE JONES ESTATE, PUD AND IT IS IN THE CYPRESS RIDGE MASTERPLAN AREA.
SO WE REVIEW IT BASED ON ALL OF THOSE CRITERIA.
UM, THIS IS ONE AGAIN, I'D LIKE TO REFRESH YOUR MEMORY.
THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN HAS ALREADY BEEN REVIEWED THROUGH THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN SUBMITTED, UM, AND REVIEWED THROUGH THE DRC.
SO IF THEY ARE ADDRESSING, THEY'RE STILL ADDRESSING FINAL COMMENTS ON THAT.
BUT THE UM, ORGANIZATION OF THE SITE HAS PRETTY MUCH BEEN ADDRESSED THROUGH THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN PROCESS.
WE'RE JUST LOOKING AT THE LANDSCAPING, LIGHTING AND ARCHITECTURE.
AS YOU CAN SEE, THE FRONT HAS BEEN LABELED IN BIG RED DOWN HERE BECAUSE THIS IS THE FRONT OF THE SITE IN THE HIGHWAY CORRIDOR.
THE HIGHWAY IS ALWAYS THE FRONT OF THE SITE NO MATTER HOW THE SITE FUNCTIONS.
SO, UM, WE HAVE MILL CREEK BOULEVARD HERE.
THE PLAY AREA THAT I REFERENCED IN THE AGENDA LANGUAGE IS THIS AREA RIGHT IN HERE, IN HERE.
AND THIS IS ONE THAT WAS BEFORE YOU ALL, UM, JUST A FEW MONTHS AGO.
I THINK WE HAVE A COUPLE NEW MEMBERS SINCE THAT TIME.
SO, UM, SLOW ME DOWN, MAKE ME GO BACKWARDS TO BE IN ANY FURTHER DETAIL FOR ANYONE WHO IS NOT AS FAMILIAR WITH THIS PROJECT AS THE REST OF YOU, I DID INCLUDE AS THE FIRST ATTACHMENT, THE ENTIRE PACKET, INCLUDING THE STAFF REPORT AND ATTACHMENTS FOR THE UM, PRESENTATION THAT HAPPENED A COUPLE MONTHS AGO.
SO, UM, THEY HAVE ADDRESSED A LOT OF THOSE CONCERNS.
THESE ARE THE, UM, RENDERINGS THAT THEY PROVIDED JUST SO THAT YOU HAD AN IDEA OF WHAT IT WAS LOOKING LIKE.
THIS IS THE AREA, THIS IS THE FRONT.
THEY HAVE INSET, UM, MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT INTO THE ROOF LINE OF THIS GABLE HERE.
AND THIS IS THE VIEW FROM THE OTHER DIRECTION.
SO THAT HOOD EQUIPMENT IS RIGHT IN IS OUR MOUSE RAMP? YEAH, IN THIS AREA RIGHT HERE IS HOW THAT'S BEING PROPOSED.
THE TINY ONE IS THE ONE THAT WAS WHAT WAS PROPOSED AT THE PREVIOUS ITERATION OF THIS WHEN IT WAS NEW BUSINESS.
THIS IS NOW THE REVISED, UM, ELEVATIONS ARE THE BIGGER ONES.
SO FACING SLATER STREET SLASH THE PARKING LOT, WHICH IS THE FRONT FOR UH, OPERATIONAL PURPOSES IS THIS ELEVATION HERE.
BUT THE FRONT FOR HIGHWAY CORRIDOR PURPOSES IS THE BOTTOM PICTURE HERE.
SO YOU CAN SEE THAT THEY DID, UM, ADDRESS A HANDFUL OF THE COMMENTS THAT YOU GUYS HAD AT THE PREVIOUS MISSION COMMISSION MEETING.
UM, BY CENTERING THESE GABLES, TURNING ALL OF THE WINDOW LIGHTS TO BE VERTICAL RATHER THAN HORIZONTAL, I CANNOT DO THAT EVERY TIME I HAVE TO DO MY CROSS THERE.
UM, THEY'VE CHANGED THE DOOR PATTERN SO THAT IT IS THE SAME ON ALL OF THE DOORS WHICH GO ACROSS.
THEY'VE CENTERED THE GABLES OVER ELEMENTS THAT ARE BENEATH THEM RATHER THAN HAVING THEM OFF CENTER JUST A LITTLE BIT, AS YOU CAN SEE RIGHT HERE.
UM, AND THEY HAVE PUT THE MECHANICALS FROM FLAT ON THE FACE OF THE ROOF INTO THE ROOF LINE.
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UM, THIS IS THE SIDE ELEVATION FOR BOTH OF THOSE.SO THIS FACES THE PLAY AREA HERE AND THIS IS WHAT FACES THE WEST ELEVATION, WHICH IS THAT MILL CREEK BOULEVARD ENTRANCE.
UM, YOU CAN SEE THE DASH LINES SHOW THE HVAC UNITS, WHICH WE HAD THEM MOVE FROM THE FRONT ELEVATION TO THE SIDE ELEVATION SO THAT THEY'RE UM, NOT ON THE ONE 70 FRONTING ELEVATION.
UM, THEY ALSO CHANGED THE ROOF PITCH IN THIS ITERATION FROM A FOUR AND 12 ON THE MAIN WITH LOWER THAN FOUR AND 12 ON THE GABLES TO FOUR AND 12 ON THE GABLES AND SIX AND 12 AS THE MAIN MASS.
HERE ARE THE DUMPSTER ENCLOSURE.
I WILL GO BACKWARDS A LITTLE BIT FOR IN A SECOND, BUT THIS IS THE DUMPSTER ENCLOSURE DETAIL.
THE CHALLENGE THAT WE HAD WITH THE DUMPSTER ENCLOSURE WAS THAT IT WAS CMU BLOCK AND IT DID NOT HAVE A FINISH.
THEY HAVE PROPOSED THE BRICK FINISH TO MATCH THE BUILDING ON THE DUMPSTER ENCLOSURE.
SO THEY'VE BROUGHT THAT INTO COMPLIANCE AS WELL.
THE EXTERIOR FINISH COLORS AND MATERIALS, OYSTER GRAY, WHITE MONTEREY TOPE.
UM, THIS SCREEN FENCE IS WHAT IS BEING PROPOSED WITH THE HVAC UNITS.
THERE'S A STEEL FENCE THAT IS A LITTLE FURTHER IN THE DETAILS HERE, WHICH IS THE ONE THAT YOU SEE WRAPPING AROUND THE REST OF THE PROPERTY HERE.
UM, THEY'VE CLEARED UP THE, UH, CIRCULATION CHALLENGE THAT WAS AT THIS CORNER, UM, WITH THE PINCH POINT.
SO IT HAS BEEN PULLED AWAY FROM THAT CORNER.
I DID HIGHLIGHT THE TWO AREAS WHERE IT STILL IS UP AGAINST THE FRONT OF THOSE COLUMNS.
UM, THE NARRATIVE HAD IT AS BEING PULLED OFF THAT, BUT I THINK JUST AS AN OVERSIGHT IT IS NOT YET BEEN PULLED OFF.
UM, SO IT'S NOT A CONCERN TO PULL IT OFF THE FRONT AS A UM, CONDITION OF THE APPROVAL.
HOWEVER IT IS STILL TOUCHING THE COLUMN BASED ON THIS VERSION OF IT.
UM, THIS IS THE LANDSCAPE PLAN.
UM, AS WE DISCUSSED AT THE LAST ONE, THERE WAS A CHALLENGE WITH THE CIRCULATION BECAUSE THE CARS WOULD COME IN, THE HANDICAPPED PARKING SPACE WAS OVER HERE ALONG WITH THE SIDEWALK THAT BROUGHT IT TO HERE.
BUT ALL OF THE PEOPLE PULLING IN ARE GONNA TURN RIGHT WHEN THEY COME IN BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE THE HANDICAP AND THE UM, THE ENTRANCE WAS ON THIS SIDE HERE.
IT HAS BEEN PULLED SO THAT IT IS NO LONGER ON THIS SIDE, WHICH MEANS NOW MORE CARS WILL TURN LEFT AS THEY COME IN AND BE ABLE TO HAVE THE FULL CIRCULATION OF THE SITE.
HOPEFULLY NOT CREATE THE CHALLENGE THAT I SEE ON BUCK WALTER PARKWAY EVERY SINGLE MORNING OF THE WORLD WHEN I'M RUNNING LATE TO WORK.
UM, THEY HAVE CHANGED THE SIZE OF THE, UM, PLANTINGS THAT ARE IN FRONT OF THE TRANSFORMER HERE, RAISED THOSE IN HEIGHT SOME AND THEY'VE CHANGED UM, WHERE THE SIDEWALK IS.
SO THOSE POKEY THINGS THAT WE'RE GONNA POISON LITTLES ARE NO LONGER POKEY AND POISON NEXT TO A SIDEWALK.
UM, SO THEY HAVE MODIFIED THAT AS WELL.
THEY DID REMOVE THE PEDESTRIAN DOOR HERE SO THAT IT'S JUST A FRONT ENTRANCE ON THE DUMPSTER, WHICH MEANS YOU WON'T HAVE THE CONFLICT WITH THE DOOR THERE.
UM, HOWEVER, MR. BROCK DID BRING UP TO MY ATTENTION THAT THIS IS A RATHER SMALL AREA FOR THAT LARGE CANOPY TREE WITH THE DUMPSTER, WHICH WILL BE AN OVERHEAD DUMP, UM, AND MAY CAUSE PROBLEMS THERE.
SO THEY MAY NEED TO THINK ABOUT THE LOCATION OF THAT TREE.
IT DOES NEED TO HAVE A TREE BECAUSE IT IS A LANDSCAPE ISLAND, IT IS A REQUIREMENT TO HAVE SAID TREE.
SO THAT MAY JUST NEED TO BE, UM, ADJUSTED A BIT IN ORDER TO REFLECT THAT THE LIGHTING PLAN.
UM, NO CHANGES WERE MADE TO THE LIGHTING PLAN.
HOWEVER, CHANGES TO THE LANDSCAPE PLAN DID MEAN THAT THE LIGHTING PLAN NO LONGER HAD THE SAME ISSUES THAT IT HAD IN THE PREVIOUS VERSION BECAUSE THE CONFLICT WAS WITH THE LANDSCAPING AND THE LIGHTING AT THE SAME TIME.
UM, THEIR NUMBERS ARE STILL JUST FINE.
THE LOCATION OF THEIR LIGHTS IS NO LONGER IN CONFLICT WITH THE TREES.
THE TWO ITEMS THAT I DO STILL NEED IS, UM, THAT ONE, THE PLANNING COMMISSION MAKE A DETERMINATION ON THE APPROPRIATENESS OF THE USE OF LED LIGHTS BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT PERMITTED BY OUR CODE.
THIS IS SOMETHING WE SEE ALL THE TIME.
AND THE OTHER ONE IS THAT THE UM, THE INFORMATION REGARDING IT BEING A FULL CUTOFF FIXTURE IS JUST NOT LISTED CLEARLY, AT LEAST ON THE INFORMATION THAT WE RECEIVED WITH THE SUBMITTAL.
SO, UM, INFORMATION ON IT BEING A FULL CUTOFF TO ENSURE THAT THOSE ARE NOT GOING TO BE A PROBLEM TO THE RESIDENTIALS BEHIND IT.
UM, AND THAT THEY MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE ORDINANCE ARE THE TWO LIGHTING CHALLENGES THAT ARE STILL BEING FACED THERE.
UM, SO THIS IS JUST THE UP CLOSE AND PERSONAL OF THAT.
THIS IS A LITTLE BIT HARD TO READ.
IT IS A LITTLE BIT HARD TO READ ON THE SUBMITTAL VERSION AS WELL, BUT IT CAN ZOOM IN A BIT BETTER WHEN I'M LOOKING AT IT ON THE FULL SCREEN.
SO, UM, JUST SOMETHING TO ENSURE THAT THESE ARE FULL CUTOFFS, OTHERWISE THERE'S NO ISSUE WITH THAT.
ARE YOU ALL STILL FOLLOWING? YES, GOOD DEAL.
UM, SO WITH THIS BEING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, THE REVIEW CRITERIA THAT ARE APPLICABLE ARE THOSE WHICH ARE SET FORTH IN SECTION 3 17 3 OF OUR UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT ORDINANCE.
IT IS THAT THEY ARE IN COMPLIANCE WITH ARTICLE FIVE DESIGN STANDARDS.
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LOCATED IN THE JONES ESTATE AND NOT WITHIN THE THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT ORDINANCE REGULATED DOCUMENT, THAT IS NOT APPLICABLE.SO IT IS TO BE IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, PUD CONCEPT PLAN, PUD, MASTER PLAN SUBDIVISION, AND ANY OTHER REGULATING DOCUMENTS WHICH WOULD INCLUDE THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
UM, AND THEN THE APPLICATION MATCHES COMPLY WITH THE APPLICATIONS MANUAL.
IT IS IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE APPLICATIONS MANUAL DESIGN.
IT IS FOR THE MOST PART IN COMPLIANCE WITH ALL OF THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, CONCEPT PLAN, MASTER PLAN WITH A FEW SMALL EXCEPTIONS THAT I WILL BRING TO YOUR ATTENTION IN JUST A MOMENT.
THE HPC HAS THE AUTHORITY TO APPROVE THE APPLICATION AS SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT.
I'M, YEAH, DID I SAY HPC? I'M SO SORRY.
THE HPC HAS NO AUTHORITY WHATSOEVER OVER THIS APPLICATION.
SO THE PLANNING COMMISSION HAS THE AUTHORITY TO APPROVE THIS APPLICATION AS SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT, APPROVE THE APPLICATION WITH CONDITIONS OR DENY THE APPLICATION AS SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT WITH THE PERMISSION OF THE APPLICANT.
THE OPTION TO TABLE IS SOMETHING THAT EXISTS AS WELL.
THE APPLICANT PROVIDED ME A LITTLE BIT MORE INFORMATION UM, AT 9:44 PM LAST NIGHT.
THE ARCHITECTS WERE WORKING OVER TIME.
UM, AFTER WE HAD A PHONE CONVERSATION ABOUT SOME OF THESE ITEMS WE WERE PLAYING PHONE TAG FOR A MINUTE.
UM, SO I DO HAVE A COUPLE THINGS TO DRAW ATTENTION TO, BUT THE ITEMS THAT IN THE SUBMITTAL DOCUMENTS THAT YOU HAVE THUS FAR SEEN BECAUSE WHAT YOU HAVE THUS FAR SEEN IS WHAT EXISTS AS THE SUBMITTAL DOCUMENTS.
THEY HAVE ADDRESSED ALL OF THE CONDITIONS THAT WERE OUTLINED IN THE STAFF REPORT EXCEPT THE FOLLOWING, WHICH IS THE ROOF MECHANICALS THAT ARE SHOWN ON THE FRONT ELEVATION, UM, IN THE SCREENED NOOK INSET IN THE ROOF LINE.
UM, WITH THE INTERNATIONAL MECHANICAL CODE THAT THE TOWN OF LEPTON USES, WHICH IS THE 2021 VERSION, THERE'S A REQUIREMENT FOR 10 FEET OF CLEARANCE HORIZONTAL FROM ALL OTHER PARTS OF THE BUILDING.
OR WITH AN EXCEPTION, FIVE FEET OF CLEARANCE FROM ALL OTHER PARTS OF THE BUILDING IF IT IS VENTED AWAY FROM THE STRUCTURE.
SO IT'D HAVE TO BE VENTED AWAY FROM BOTH WALLS.
SO IN THEORY, IF THIS IS THE NOOK THAT IT'S SITTING IN, THIS IS ONE WALL OF THE WALL BUILDING, THIS IS THE OTHER WALL AND THIS IS THE EDGE.
IT COULD VENT THIS DIRECTION AWAY FROM THE WALLS AND HAVE FIVE FEET OF CLEARANCE.
HOWEVER, IT STILL HAS TO BE 10 FEET AWAY FROM THE INTAKE AND IT EVEN WITH FIVE FEET AWAY FROM THE INTAKE AND THE WALLS WOULD STAND PROUD OF THE RIDGE LINE WITH THE WAY THAT IT IS CURRENTLY DRAWN.
AND THE DIMENSIONS OF THAT, UM, NOOK, THAT'S THE TERM I'M USING TODAY.
SO, UM, I USE A DIFFERENT ONE EVERY TIME I THINK.
SO THAT IS A BIT OF A CHALLENGE THERE.
THE SECOND ITEM IS THAT THE FENCE HAS NOT BEEN PULLED AWAY FROM THE FRONT COLUMNS WHERE I HIGHLIGHTED ON THE SCREEN THERE.
UM, THE LIGHTING ARE THE TWO ITEMS THAT I'VE ALREADY MENTIONED WITH THE LEDS AND ALSO TO ENSURE THAT ALL OF THOSE FIXTURES ARE CUTOFFS.
AND THEN THE OTHER ITEMS THAT HAVE TO BE ADDRESSED, THEY ARE FAIRLY ADMINISTRATIVE BECAUSE THEY ARE THAT THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN NEEDS TO BE APPROVED PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF THIS.
THEY ARE, IF NOT HAVE ADDRESSED ALL OF THE ITEMS THAT DRC IS, UM, HAS COMMENTED ON.
THEY WOULD NOT AFFECT THE SITE PLAN, IT WOULD JUST BE ADMINISTRATIVE STUFF THAT THEY'RE STILL WORKING TOWARDS BECAUSE THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN MUST BE APPROVED ONE SECOND BEFORE THE, THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS SO THAT IT FALLS IN THE RIGHT ORDER.
AND THEN THE LAST ONE IS THE COMMENT THAT I PUT ON EVERY SINGLE COMMERCIAL STRUCTURE.
SIGNAGE MUST BE SUBMITTED THROUGH THE TOWN OF LEFT IN FOR A SIGNED PERMIT RATHER THAN BEING APPROVED AS A PORTION OF THIS CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS.
SO FOUR A AND B, VERY ADMINISTRATIVE THREE A, SOMETHING WE SEE ALL THE TIME.
THREE B, SOMETHING THAT UM, I NEED A LITTLE BIT MORE INFORMATION AND AS LONG AS THEY CAN SHOW THAT WHICH THIS TYPE OF LIGHT DOES HAVE A CUTOFF VERSION OR FULL CUTOFF VERSION.
UM, SO THE TWO ITEMS THAT ARE DESIGNED FORWARD ARE THE HOOD SYSTEM AND THE FENCE ON THE FRONT ELEVATION.
SO, UM, FIRST DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? I PUT A WHOLE SLIDE IN HERE FOR IT.
OKAY, SO SUPPLEMENTAL PICTURES ONE, TWO, AND THREE ARE ON THE SCREEN HERE.
UM, WITH THE, AFTER A CONVERSATION WITH A COUPLE OF OUR PLANNING COMMISSIONERS, UM, AND THE APPLICANT, THEY'VE MADE A COUPLE CHANGES.
THE APPLICANT IS HERE TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF THE PROJECT SAMANTHA'S HERE AND SO MATT FROM CRANSTON AND UM, THEY CAN ANSWER SOME OF THESE QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE AS IT RELATES TO THIS.
HOWEVER, WHAT HAS BEEN MODIFIED HERE THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS THAT THE ROOF LINE HAS BEEN PULLED BACK DOWN FROM A SIX AND 12, FROM A FOUR TO A SIX.
THE REASON FOR DOING SO, THAT WAS GOING TO LOWER THE RIDGE OF THAT
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ROOF BY THREE-ISH FEET, WHICH WILL MAKE THIS AREA HERE A LITTLE SMALLER BECAUSE IT, WHEN YOU PULL IT TO SIX IT BECAME VERY LONG AND BLANK FACADE AND THERE WAS A LOT OF SPACE ABOVE THE, UM, WHAT DO YOU CALL THIS WINDOWS NOW THE GABLES WHERE WHERE THEY WALK UNDER YEAH, THE GABLES.THE GABLES I GUESS THE PORCH AREAS.
THERE WAS A LOT OF SPACE ON THE FRONT ELEVATION AS WELL.
SO RIGHT THERE, THIS IS WHAT YOU'RE TALKING, YOU GET A LOT OF SPACE UP HIGH.
SO WHEN IT WAS PULLED, WHEN IT'S PULLED HIGHER, AS YOU CAN SEE HERE BETWEEN THE RIDGE OF THIS GABLE AND THE RIDGE OF THE SIDE GABLE, YOU'VE GOT MORE SPACE OBVIOUSLY HERE AND, AND HERE AS WELL AS ON THE SIDE ELEVATION.
THIS SPACE THAT WAS UM, SQUATTY IN A GOOD WAY HAS BECOME, UM, BIGGER WHEN YOU INCREASE THAT ROOF LINE.
I TOOK IT FROM 30 FEET DOWN TO 27 ISH, 26 9.
BUT THEY ALSO CHANGED THE DORMERS TO BE LESS THAN FOUR AND 12.
I SEE THAT WHAT THERE'S A THREE UP THERE.
OH NO, YEAH, THAT NEEDS TO BE ACTIVE.
THAT WOULD NEED TO GO BACK TO FOUR AND 12 IN ORDER TO MEET THE REQUIREMENTS HERE.
UM, AND THEN ADDED THE BRACKET DETAIL IN THE GABLE DEN.
IT IS NOT TOUCHING THE SIDES HERE LIKE IT IS ON THE FRONT ELEVATION, HOWEVER, THE INTENT IS TO DO SO IT, THIS IS A UM, QUICK MOCKUP.
YES, QUICK MOCKUP TO BE ABLE TO SHOW US A LITTLE BIT OF SOMETHING.
SO THAT IS GOING TO LOOK LIKE THIS HERE BUT IN THE OTHER END, OKAY.
AND AGAIN, APPLICANT CAN SPEAK TO A LOT OF THIS AS WELL, BUT I'M WALKING THROUGH SOME OF IT HERE.
AND THEN MOVING THE KITCHEN VENT TO THE SIDE ELEVATION HERE, WHICH OUR ORDINANCE REQUIRES THAT IT IS NOT ON THE FRONT ELEVATION.
THIS WOULD MEET THAT REQUIREMENT.
IT ALSO DOES PUT ANOTHER, UM, DETAILS, NOT EXACTLY THE WORD I WANT TO USE, BUT IT HAS, IT IS SOME INTEREST ON THAT SIDE ELEVATION AS WELL.
THIS IS THE SIDE THAT FACES THE PLAYGROUND.
THE OTHER SIDE HAS THE DOOR CENTERED BETWEEN THE WINDOWS.
UM, AND THEY DID PULL THAT DOOR BACK TO CENTER.
THREE AND A HALF INCHES JUST FOR YOU COMMISSIONER DENMARK.
UM, BUT THAT IS THIS SIDE FACES MILL CREEK BOULEVARD WHERE THE BOTTOM SIDE FACES TOWARDS THE PLAYGROUND AND THEN BEYOND THE PLAYGROUND IS THE WETLANDS.
SO THERE IS MORE OF A BUFFER ON THAT SIDE.
AND SO PULLING THE HOOD SYSTEM OUT OF THE SIDE IS HIGHLY PREFERRED TO THE FRONT ELEVATION, WHICH IT CANNOT BE.
UM, AND SO THAT IS WHERE THEY'VE PROPOSED TO MOVE THAT AND THE MAKEUP STAYS UP ON THAT ROOF.
THAT IS HOW IT IS CURRENTLY DRAWN.
UM, WE WERE, WE WERE QUESTIONING THAT SHE HAD MADE A PHONE CALL TO THE ARCHITECT IN BETWEEN ME COMING UP HERE AND NOW AND THEN THIS IS SUPPLEMENTAL IMAGE THREE, WHICH THIS SHOWS THE MAKEUP IN THAT FRONT, UH, CRANNY, NOOK AND CRANNY.
AND IT ALSO SHOWS THE ROOF LINE BEING BROUGHT DOWN.
UM, SO THOSE GAVE UH, NOPE DORMERS SHED, SHED DORMERS WOULD NEED TO MEET THE FOUR AND 12 IN ORDER TO MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THIS ORDINANCE.
SO, UM, AND I DID HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH 'EM ABOUT THE COLUMNS WITH THE BEAMS AS WELL.
THEY UNDERSTAND WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR AND SAID THAT THEY HAVE NO ISSUE DOING THAT.
IT IS NOT SHOWN CURRENTLY, BUT COULD BE EASILY, UM, MODIFIED FROM THAT SHOULD YOU SEE THAT BE ACCEPTABLE.
UM, THE FINAL THING THAT I BROUGHT TO THEIR ATTENTION AFTER IT WAS BROUGHT TO MY ATTENTION I THINK BY COMMISSIONER WHITMORE WAS THAT THE UM, FENCE ALONG THE REAR ELEVATION RATHER THAN PRESSING IT RIGHT AGAINST THE BRICK BASE OF THOSE COLUMNS COULD POTENTIALLY GO IN BETWEEN THE COLUMNS SO THAT THE COLUMNS ACT AS THE POST.
I'M SORRY, IT WAS NOT, IT WAS CHAIRMAN MARK.
UM, HOWEVER, UM, PULLING IT IN BETWEEN THOSE SO THAT IT IS NOT SITTING FLUSH AGAINST THE COLUMNS ON THE SIDE, THAT WHILE IT IS NOT THE FRONT OF THE SITE, IT IS THE FRONT OF THE OPERATIONAL, UM, SINCE THEY DO NEED THAT FOR SECURITY PURPOSES FOR THE SMALL CHILDREN NOT TO RUN OUT AND GET SQUISHED BY CARS.
SO ARE THEY GONNA ELECTRIFY IT? JUST KEEP GOING.
NO, I WILL NOT LET THEM ELECTRIFY IT.
I'M GONNA HAVE YOU TEST IT THOUGH.
UM, SO
WHILE IT IS NOT THE COMPLETE NORM FOR HOW APPLICATIONS ARE PRESENTED AS THIS IS OLD BUSINESS AND WE'RE WORKING OUR WAY TOWARDS SOMETHING, IF THE SOLUTIONS THAT THEY HAVE PROVIDED AS SUPPLEMENTAL IMAGES BECAUSE THEY GOT THEM TO ME EARLY ENOUGH THAT I COULD GET THEM IN THE SLIDE, IF YOU WISH TO MAKE A MOTION BASED ON THOSE, I WOULD REQUEST THAT YOUR MOTION INCLUDE AS SHOWN IN THE SUPPLEMENTAL IMAGES ONE, TWO AND THREE DURING THE 10 25 MEETING AND THEN ANY CONDITIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE, UM, IN ADDITION TO THOSE.
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WOULD, IN THE SUPPLEMENTAL IMAGES SHOWN DURING THIS MEETING, WOULD BE ADEQUATE FOR THOSE PICTURES THAT I SHOWED YOU THAT ARE NOT NECESSARILY IN THE STAFF REPORT AS THIS WILL BE INCLUDED IN THE MINUTES MARK ON EACH OF THOSE SUPPLEMENTAL IMAGES FOR 15, 20 SECONDS.WHICH ONE? JUST I'LL JUST SOAK IT IN.
AND UH, JUST FOR FUTURE REFERENCE, IF SOMETHING LIKE THIS HAPPENS, CAN YOU GIVE PRINTED COPIES? YES, I CAN.
YEAH AND IT'S NOT A BIGGIE, IT'S JUST IN YOUR MOTION.
COULD YOU GO TO THE MOTION FOR A SECOND? THE MOTION IS ABSOLUTELY JUST A PROPOSED AND DOES NOT OH NO, I KNOW, I KNOW THAT.
BUT IN ONE OF THOSE WE'D HAVE TO TALK ABOUT THE FOUR AND 12 VERSUS THE THREE AND 12.
YOU HAVEN'T ADDED THAT RIGHT? I HAVE NOT BECAUSE THAT WAS JUST BROUGHT TO MY ATTENTION AND JUST BECAUSE IT BUGS ME BECAUSE THEY DO IT WRONG ON MY PROJECTS ALL OF THE TIME.
THE COLUMN AND BEAM ALIGNMENT, PLEASE MAKE SURE THAT'S IT.
I THINK YOU HAVE IT RIGHT ON THE, THE ROOF PLAN.
IT'S JUST THAT ONE ELEVATION'S SHOWING A THREE ON THE SUPPLEMENTAL FOUR.
CAN YOU GO TO SUPPLEMENTAL THREE SO WE CAN LOOK AT THAT AS WELL PLEASE? ABSOLUTELY.
AND WHAT WAS CHANGED DOWN HERE? JUST THE UM, ROOF PITCH DROPS BACK DOWN.
SO YOU'VE GOT THE DIFFERENT DISTANCE HERE.
UM, YOU CAN SEE THE ONLY THE INTAKE INTAKE BECAUSE THE EXHAUST WOULD BE COMING OUT THE SIDE HERE.
AND THEN THE, DO WE HAVE A CUT SHEET OR KNOW HOW TO, THAT EXHAUST VANS ARE REALLY GONNA BE, I MEAN IS THAT THE ACTUAL SIZE THAT'S SHOWN? WELL I DO HAVE A NOTE JUST SO WE DON'T RUN INTO THE THIS ISSUE AGAIN, PLEASE.
APPLICANT, PLEASE REALIZE THAT IF THAT MAKE ERROR IS INSTALLED AND IT'S PEEKING OUT OVER THAT ROOF, THAT WILL NOT MEET THE REQUIREMENTS.
SO MAKE SURE WITH YOUR CURB, WITH YOUR MAKEUP AIR, EVERYTHING IS BELOW THAT, THAT FRONT ELEVATION ROOF LINE INCLUDING THE, INCLUDING, YOU KNOW, THE ANGLE THAT'LL BE THERE.
I THINK YOU'VE GOT, I'M IN THE AC BUSINESS.
I THINK YOU'VE GOT THE ROOM THERE, BUT JUST MAKE SURE OF IT BEFORE YOU BUILD IT.
DOES ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY OTHER THOUGHTS WHILE SHE'S STILL TYPING UP? GO AHEAD.
SHE'S GOT A WHOLE BOOK OVER THERE ME BECAUSE I KNOW WE NEED TO ASK SOME THINGS.
THE FIRST ONE, IF WE OPEN IT UP TO THE APPLICANT BEFORE YOUR QUESTIONS OR AFTER YOUR QUESTIONS.
COMMISSIONER DEPAW, IS IT SOMETHING THAT APPLICANT NEEDS QUESTIONS FOR ME OR QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? ANYONE THAT WANTS TO ANSWER WOULD THE APPLICANT LIKE TO SPEAK? OKAY, JUST PUSH.
WE JUST KIND, SHE'LL HAVE BETTER ANSWERS.
SAMANTHA, FROM EIGHT 14 DEVELOPMENT, DO YOU NEED ADDRESS? NOTHING.
OKAY, WHAT'S YOUR QUESTION? FROM THE APPLICATION, RIGHT? OH YES.
UM, ON THE ROOF PLAN IT LOOKS LIKE THERE ARE PERHAPS, UM, POWER ATTIC FAN VENTS OR SOMETHING ON THE ONE 70 SIDE THAT DON'T SHOW UP ON THE ELEVATION.
YOU'RE REFERRING TO THESE ITEMS, THE THREE ITEMS NEAR THE RIDGE.
AH, RIGHT ON THE TOP CATCH RIGHT HERE.
SO LOOKING AT THESE ITEMS AND THOSE WOULD JUST BE NEED TO BE, YOU'D WANNA SEE THOSE ADDED ONTO THE ELEVATIONS.
UH, THEY SHOULD NOT BE FACING ONE 70.
THEY NEED TO BE SWAPPED TO THE OTHER SIDE.
THEY JUST LIKE VENTS FOR UH, BATHROOM OR GOING THE WRONG WAY.
GUYS, THIS IS THE PROJECT AT NIGHT BEFORE THE LIGHTING'S ADDED.
SO THEY'RE CURRENTLY NOT SHOWN ON THE ELEVATIONS, HOWEVER THEY WOULD NEED TO BE SHOWN ON THE ELEVATIONS AND MOVED TO THE SIDE HERE.
YEAH, THAT SHOULDN'T BE AN ISSUE.
WE COULD MAKE THAT A CONDITION OF APPROVAL AS WELL.
I DON'T THINK THAT SHOULD BE ANY PROBLEM.
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QUESTION FOR KATIE MAYBE IS THE, I SAW IN THE STAFF REPORT SOMETHING ABOUT THE METER LOCATION IS THE FACT THAT IT'S NOT SCREENED FINE BECAUSE IT'S ON THE SIDE VIBRATION.THE POWER COMPANY HAS UM, MODIFIED, SORRY, I'M GETTING A LITTLE CLOSER TO THE MIC BECAUSE IT DOESN'T PICK UP.
THE POWER COMPANY HAS MODIFIED A LOT OF THEIR REGULATIONS AS TO WHAT THEY WILL ACCEPT.
SO THERE COULD BE A SCREEN THAT SITS LIKE THREE, I THINK IT'S THREE FEET AWAY FROM IT AS A SINGLE WALL, BUT IT STILL HAS TO BE ACCESSIBLE FULLY.
UM, AND NO GATES, THEY'VE, THEY HAVE PLANTINGS AND UM, SO I THEY HAVE A SERVICE YARD FENCE IN FRONT OF IT.
IT'S JUST THAT THE FENCE IS LIKE, YEAH, SUPER LOW.
THEY HAVE CHANGED THE RULES ON US
DO YOU THINK THAT, CAN WE LOOK AT THAT ELEVATION? YEAH.
YOU THINK THAT IT NEEDS TO BE MOVED UP TO BE MORE APPROPRIATE THEN YOU CAN SUGGEST THAT IT JUST SEEMS ODD TO PUT A SCREEN IN FRONT OF IT THAT DOESN'T CONCEAL IT UNLESS I'M MISREADING THE DASH HIDDEN LINES ON THAT.
I THINK THOSE ARE JUST THE CONDENSING UNITS THEMSELVES.
I DON'T THINK IT'S UHUH THIS HERE.
IT'S THE ELECTRIC METER THAT SHE'S LOOKING AT HERE.
YEAH, BUT I MEAN THERE'S NOT LIKE A FENCE AROUND THAT, RIGHT? WHAT'S THE UM, I THINK THAT IT TECHNICALLY IS KIND OF ENCLOSED BY THE SAME FENCE THAT'S FENCING IN THE HVAC UNITS SHOWN THERE.
IT SHOULD BE ENCOMPASSED WITHIN THAT AREA AND THAT SHOULD PROVIDE A LITTLE BIT OF SCREENING.
IT DOESN'T REALLY, REALLY PRINT OUT VERY MUCH EITHER, SO YEAH.
IT'S REALLY WELL SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE, BUT IT'S REALLY, YOU CAN'T TELL WHAT THAT IS.
SO I THINK SHE'S LOOKING TO SEE THAT COULD, I'M SORRY I CAN'T ZOOM THERE BUT WE CAN TIE HERE.
IT'S NUMBER DETAIL SEVEN ON A THREE 12.
SO TALL KITS CAN STILL GET OVER TALL KITS CAN STILL GET OVER IT? YES.
AND WE DON'T HAVE A REQUIREMENT.
IT WAS JUST A QUESTION, JUST EXTRA STUFF TO DO BECAUSE I TURNED AROUND THE C UNIT.
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OKAY, SO YOU MAY WANT TO RAISE THAT.
IT'S MORE JUST A QUESTION SO THAT THE CHILDREN CANNOT ACCESS IT.
WE COULD, WE COULD MAKE THAT A RECOMMENDATION.
WOULD YOU, WOULD YOU WANT TO REUSE IT TO SIX FOOT INSTEAD OF FOUR? I GUESS WHAT'S CURRENTLY PROPOSED BEFORE
I DON'T HAVE ANY ISSUE WITH THAT.
I MEAN HONESTLY THE, THE ORGANIZATION THAT LICENSES ACRES AND SCHOOLS PROBABLY WILL CATCH THAT IF IT NEEDS TO BE HIRED TOO.
IT'S NOT A HILL I NEED TO DIE ON.
NO, YEAH, IT'S, I THINK JUST LOOK INTO IT AND JUST FOR THE DAYCARE PURPOSES THEY MAY WANT TO INCREASE THE HEIGHT OF THAT.
WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO DO THE
SO THAT MAY COME UP ANYWAY BUT WE CAN LOOK INTO IT AND SEE IF THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING.
WELL AND THERE'S JUST A MAXIMUM THAT YOU CAN DO, RIGHT? KATIE? SIX, THE MAX EIGHT.
THERE'S NO, SO LET'S SAY NO LARGER THAN SIX.
WELL AND KATIE TO ASK A CLARIFYING QUESTION IF, IF WE APPROVE THIS THE WAY IT IS IS ARE THEY, THEY'RE KIND OF STUCK AT THAT THREE FOOT FOUR, CORRECT? UNLESS WELL WE COULD PUT IT IN THE RECOMMENDATION OF IT.
NO, I'M JUST SAYING IF WE DON'T NOTE IT THEN YES THEY'D HAVE TO COME BACK.
SO WE NOTE IT AS A CONDITION GREATER THAN SIX.
UM, OTHER QUESTION I WASN'T SURE IS THE NEW FIVE AND 12 VERSION, DOES YOUR PERSPECTIVE STILL LOOK OTHER THAN THE ROOF PITCH OBVIOUSLY, BUT HOW THE MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT IS SEATED? IS THAT STILL THE
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SAME AS THAT PERSPECTIVE? SO THE VENT, THE EXHAUST VENT IS, WE REROUTED IT SO THAT IT VENTS OUT THE EAST SIDE OF THE BUILDING.SO IT'LL LOOK A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT.
THE MAKEUP AIR UNIT WILL STILL EXIST WITHIN THAT PARAPET, BUT UM, WE HAVE THE HEIGHT ON THE ROOF IN ORDER TO HIDE IT FROM HIGHWAY ONE 70.
SO I DON'T FORESEE IT BEING AN ISSUE OR ANYTHING THAT WOULD BE VISIBLE.
UM, WE CAN DEFINITELY SCREEN IT FROM VIEW 'CAUSE RIGHT THERE YOU'RE SEEING OBVIOUSLY THE TALLER EXHAUST THAT WE HAD, BUT SINCE WE CHANGED IT NOW IT'LL BE COMING OUT THE EAST ELEVATION.
YEAH, THE TALL ONE'S NOT THERE.
YEAH, THIS GOES AWAY AND SHOWS UP.
YEAH, IT'S JUST KIND OF THAT SMALLER SQUARE MAKEUP AREA UNIT IF YOU WILL.
AND THIS HERE STAYS IN THAT CUBBY AND FROM PERSPECTIVE, I GUESS COMING IN THE OTHER ROOFS KIND OF BLOCK IT LIKE THE GABLE ROOF, THE DORM ROOF, ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF.
MY CONCERN IS IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE IT'S GETTING BLOCKED AND I UNDERSTAND THAT TECHNICALLY YOU'RE KIND OF SEEING IT FROM THE SIDE ELEVATION, BUT TO ME THAT'S THE ONE 70 FRONTAGE IF YOU'RE SEEING IT DRIVING PAST ON ONE 70, NOT LIKE ON THE, ON THE TRUE SIDE ELEVATIONS, BUT IT'S KIND OF A FRONT ELEVATION COMPONENT.
SO I'M KIND OF STRUGGLING WITH THAT AS A SOLUTION.
AND I THINK I WOULD ALSO JUST MY 2 CENTS, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE FOUR AND 12 DORMER ON THE FIVE AND 12.
'CAUSE I'M, I THINK I AGREE THAT THE SIX AND 12 IS TOO MUCH ROOF GIVEN THIS DESIGN.
BUT I'M ALSO HAVE SOME CONCERNS OVER WHAT THAT'S GONNA END.
WHERE THAT THING ENDS UP THAT ACTUALLY THAT IS FOUR 20.
WELL THAT'S THE, THAT'S NOT THE, OH THAT'S ON THE SIXTH.
THAT'S NOT THE UM, PROPOSED THE NEW PROPOSED GO TO THE THE SUPPLEMENTAL SUPPLEMENTAL B I'M SORRY, I THOUGHT IT WAS ON THEM.
SO THAT'S WHERE IT SAYS THREE AND 12, WHICH THAT THREE OR OUT A FOUR.
SO YOU'RE AFRAID IT'S GONNA RIDE TOO FAR UP THE ROOF? I'M JUST CURIOUS HOW FAR IT'S GONNA RIDE UP THE ROOF.
'CAUSE IF IT'S REALLY CLOSE TO THE RIDGE, I THINK THAT'S ANOTHER CONSIDERATION.
IN THIS PARTICULAR INSTANCE I'D RATHER IF, IF THAT WERE THE CASE, I'D RATHER ALLOW THEM TO DO THE THREE AND 12 TO KEEP THE MESS.
YEAH, I'M STRUGGLING WITH THAT.
SO WHATEVER I AM TOO, KEEP IT DOWN.
IF THE FOUR 12 DOESN'T LOOK RIGHT, IF IT, IF IT ENDS UP HITTING RIGHT BELOW THE PEAK.
MAYBE THIS IS AN EXCEPTION TO ALLOW THREE 12 AND I'M ASKING THE ARCHITECT AND I'M STRUGGLE WITH THAT 'CAUSE LIKE THIS ISN'T THE DESIGN IT HAS TO BE, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? LIKE THEY COULD MAKE A DESIGN THAT IS LOOKS GOOD AND DOESN'T HAVE A FIVE HEAD AND ALSO HAS ALL THE COMPLIANT ROOF SLOPES.
IT JUST WOULDN'T BE ONE CONTINUOUS GABLE ACROSS THE WHOLE LENGTH OF THE BUILDING.
UM, SO IT'S KIND OF SOLVING A, NOT FULLY THOUGHT THROUGH DESIGN PROBLEM RATHER THAN ACTUALLY BEING A BENEFIT TO THE COMMUNITY BY ALLOWING THE VARIANCE.
GOT ANY MORE DOWN YOUR LIST? ONLY OTHER THING I WOULD RESTUDY THE GABLE VENT IN RELATIONSHIP WITH THAT TRUST.
I FEEL LIKE IT MAYBE IS ONE OR THE OTHER.
MAYBE LIKE E LITTLE SQUARE SQUARE DOING THE VENT.
I MEAN JUST DOING THE ARCH, THE ONE THAT WE'RE ON RIGHT NOW THAT, UM, LIKE LEAVING THE, THE BRACKET IN DETAIL BUT UH, THE GABLE DETAIL BUT TAKING THE VENT OUT, THE GABLE WILL BE EXTENDED TO FIT THAT ROOF PEAK AS WELL.
SO THAT WAS JUST KIND OF PUT TOGETHER SORT OF QUICKLY.
I THINK SHE MIGHT HAVE PULLED THE GABLE FROM THE FRONT ENTRANCE AND JUST KIND OF INSERTED IT THERE.
SO THAT WILL BE STRETCHED SO THAT IT FITS THAT.
WE'RE JUST SAYING ELIMINATE THE, THE VENT.
IF YOU'VE GOT THREE ATTIC EXHAUST OR FANS UP ON THE TOP ROOF, YOU SHOULDN'T EAT THAT.
YOUR PHONE IN THE, WELL I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU, OR YOU COULD INCORPORATE A GABLE DETAIL THAT IS A VENT.
IT JUST SEEMS ODD TO HAVE A TRUS AND VENT.
I WOULD, IF YOU NEED THE VENT, I WOULD MAKE IT PART OF THE TRUST DETAIL 0.8.
WHAT'S 0.8 AS A FRACTION? WHAT 0.86 AS A FRACTION IS GONNA BE
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SEVEN EIGHTS.SO IT'S GONNA BE VERY CLOSE TO THAT.
WHAT ARE YOU, WHAT ARE YOU FACTORING? YES, WHAT'S THE SO THE ROOF LINE ON THAT GABLE IS GONNA DROP, UM, JUST UNDER A FOOT IT'LL BE EIGHT INCHES AND IT'S CURRENTLY AT TWO EIGHT.
SO THAT MEANS THAT THE REVEAL ON THE SIDE ELEVATION WOULD BE TWO APPROXIMATELY REALLY CLOSE TO TWO FEET EVEN INSTEAD OF TWO EIGHT, WHICH IS WHAT IT CURRENTLY IS EXPOSED ON.
SORRY, WHAT ARE WE TALKING ABOUT? WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? WHICH DIMENSION IS I KNOW WHERE SHE'S GOING.
WHICH DIMENSION? AND IT GOES FROM TWO EIGHT TO TWO.
AT THE BOTTOM IT WOULD BE TWO.
SO BECAUSE THIS IS JUST UNDER 19 FEET.
SO IF I DO MY MATH RIGHT, WHICH I BELIEVE THAT I HAVE IT IS GOING TO DROP TO BASICALLY BE THE TOP WILL BE WHAT THE BOTTOM OF THIS LINE IS.
I DON'T THINK YOU WOULD DROP IT.
YOU KEEP THE PLATE WHERE IT IS AND YOU INCREASE THE SLOPE.
BUT SO THAT WOULD BE, THAT'S MY ANGLE THOUGH, IS WHAT I'M COMING.
PLEASE HOLD, HOLD FOR ONE MORE SECOND.
YOU NEED TO DO THE OTHER LINE.
CAN YOU JUST TELL THAT FOUR 12, I JUST MOVE THAT TO, IT'S NOT MOVING
SO IT WILL BE ALMOST AT THE TOP ON IT.
DID YOU SAY IT WAS FOUR 12 ON OTHER SHEETS? WAS THAT'S NOT JUST A MISPRINT LAST SHEET, RIGHT? IT SAYS FOUR 12 ON THAT ONE.
ON THE ROOF PLANS IT SAYS FOUR 12 BUT THOSE ARE ALSO THE PROPERTY.
OKAY, WELL WE'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO SOLVE THAT RIGHT NOW.
IT LOOKS LIKE A THREE 12 THOUGH IF YOU LOOK AT IT COMPARED TO THE OTHER ONES.
WHAT OTHER COMMENTS DO YOU HAVE? OKAY, I THINK THAT'S IT.
MICHAEL, MY UM, CONCERN THAT KATIE ALREADY MENTIONED WAS HAVING DO THE LANDSCAPE AND THE SIDEWALK, UM, ACCESS TO THE DUMPSTER AND IT'S A VERY SMALL ISLAND, BUT THEN ALSO THE FACT THAT THERE'S AN OVERSTORY TREE OVER THAT DUMPSTER AND THE WAY THAT THE TRUCKS WORK WHEN THEY PULL THAT OVERHEAD.
AND THEN THE SIDEWALK COMING IN, THERE'S A VERY SMALL SPACE AT THE ENTRANCE OF SIDEWALK THAT'S CROSSWALKS UP TO THE BUILDING IS A VERY SMALL SPACE FOR A TREE AS WELL.
SO THOSE ARE THE TWO HUNDREDS THAT I SAW.
SO I GUESS I NEED TO FIGURE OUT WHERE DO WE GO FROM HERE? 'CAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF, UM, THINGS THAT SEEM TO NEED TO CHANGE OR WE'RE NOT A HUNDRED PERCENT COMFORTABLE WITH.
UM, I THINK LYDIA, YOU'RE ON THE FENCE.
WHAT ABOUT EVERYBODY ELSE? I JUST KIND OF WANT EVERYBODY'S TEMPERATURE ON WHAT THEY'RE THINKING.
ARE YOU ONE WAY OR THE OTHER? YOU'RE GOOD.
MIDDLE ROAD, WHERE YOU AT? I AM NOT SURE JASON.
MY, MY, MY CHALLENGE IS THE, THE PROFESSIONAL EXPERTISE THAT IS ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION IS NOT COMFORTABLE WITH IT.
UM, PERSONALLY WHEN I LOOK AT IT, I, I DON'T HAVE THE EXPERTISE TO KNOW WHAT I SHOULD BE CONCERNED ABOUT.
SO I RELY HEAVILY ON YOU TWO OR NOT YOU, I SO A DON'T FEEL OF EXPERTISE EITHER.
I APPRECIATE THAT YOU'VE CHANGED SOME THINGS AND ARE TRYING TO DO THAT.
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BUT THERE ARE SOME OF THOSE OUTSTANDING THINGS LIKE NOW THAT WE'RE REALLY THINKING ABOUT IT, LIKE, YOU KNOW, WHAT DOES THAT ROOF LOOK LIKE? AND WE, WE JUST DON'T KNOW UNLESS IT'S DRAWN.UM, WHAT DOES THAT GABLE INN LOOK LIKE? I MEAN I KNOW THAT IT'S AN IDEA OF ONE, SO LIKE THAT'S GREAT AND I THINK THAT WE ALL AGREE THAT SOMETHING NEEDS TO BE THERE, BUT WE'D LIKE TO SEE IT ACTUALLY WHAT IT IS.
UM, I THINK THE SAME THING WITH ALL THE OTHER ELEMENTS THAT WE'VE KIND OF TALKED ABOUT.
UM, I THINK IT'S JUST THOSE ROOF PITCHES ARE, ARE MAKING IT DIFFICULT.
AND THEN OF COURSE, YOU KNOW, THE MECHANICAL, MAKING SURE THAT THAT IS DISGUISED.
UM, I THINK WE'RE AGREEABLE TO MOST OF THE ITEMS THAT YOU GUYS HAVE POINTED OUT THIS EVENING.
UM, I THINK THERE'S ABOUT SIX THAT WE WENT THROUGH THAT WE WOULD DEFINITELY BE ABLE TO MEET.
I UNDERSTAND THE CONCERN WITH NOT BEING ABLE TO SEE THE ROOF OR THE DORMERS AT A DIFFERENT PITCH.
UM, WOULD THERE BE ANY WAY TO ISSUE THAT AS KIND OF A CONDITION OF APPROVAL THAT IT COULD BE LOOKED AT? UM, IF THERE WAS SOMETHING THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSIONERS WERE NOT LIKING AFTER WE RESUBMITTED THE REVISED ELEVATIONS THAT WE COULD REVERT BACK.
DID IT COME THROUGH LIKE ANOTHER LIKE PROCESS? I DON'T KNOW TO IF WE, IF IF WE APPROVED WITH ALL WITH THE CONDITIONS WE'VE KIND OF TALKED ABOUT AND THEN ANOTHER CONDITION SAYING THAT IT IT HAS TO I NOT A SPECIAL MEETING.
SEE HOW WE CAN DO THAT WITHOUT ACTUALLY SEEING IT? SO YOU GUYS AREN'T COMFORTABLE WITH THAT? IT IS, IT IS UP TO THE COMMISSION OF COURSE.
UM, THERE'S SEVERAL LIKE, SO IF IT IS, IF IT IS AMENABLE TO THE APPLICANT, TABLING THE APPLICATION WOULD MEAN THAT IT WOULD NEED TO BE RESUBMITTED AND PLACED ON ANOTHER PLANNING COMMISSION AGENDA, WHICH NEEDS TO BE IN FOUR WEEKS IN ADVANCE OF THE MEETING, WHICH IS THE LAST WEDNESDAY OF EACH MONTH.
CAN AN EXCEPTION EVER BE MADE TO THAT? BECAUSE THE NEXT MEETING IS IN THREE WEEKS.
UM, I MEAN WE COULD PROBABLY ACCEPT SOMETHING UP TO ABOUT FRIDAY, BUT IN ORDER TO GET THE TURNAROUND OF THE PACKET THIS FRIDAY TOGETHER, THIS MM-HMM
UM, I COULD POTENTIALLY EVEN PUSH IT TO MONDAY MORNING.
BUT THAT'S, THAT'S UM, IN ORDER TO GET THINGS TURNED AROUND QUICKLY FOR YOU ALL, I'M JUST ASKING THAT'S AND THAT'S TOTALLY OKAY AND ABSOLUTELY UP TO YOU ALL.
I MEAN WE WANNA GET IT THROUGH TOO, TOO.
SO IT'S NOT THAT WE'RE TRYING TO NOT GET IT THROUGH.
SO IT HELPS YOU, THE APPLICANT THAT THE NEXT MEETING IS IN THREE WEEKS BECAUSE OF THANKSGIVING.
SO IT'S QUICKER TO START WITH.
BUT ALSO, BUT YOU ALSO WOULD HAVE TO QUICKLY GET IT DONE.
UM, AND AN ALTERNATE SOLUTION, WHICH UNFORTUNATELY DOESN'T HELP LYDIA SEE IT MUCH.
HOWEVER IT WOULD BRING IT BEFORE JIM, AMANDA, AND CHARLIE.
SHE COULD COME TO THAT MEETING THOUGH.
AS LONG AS WELL ACTUALLY SHE'S ALLOWED, OH, THERE'S, THERE'S FOUR.
UM, 'CAUSE IT CAN ONLY HAVE THREE OF US FOUR.
HOWEVER, THEN SOMEBODY'S GONNA HAVE SIMILAR TO.
UM, BUT REGARDLESS OF THAT, HOLD FOR ONE SECOND 'CAUSE I WILL STILL GET YOU THERE, BUT IT COULD BE BROUGHT BACK TO DRC, WHICH HAPPENS EVERY WEEK, HAS A MORE ROLLING DEADLINE ON THEIR SUBMITTAL, UM, FOR YOUR COMMENT AND STAFF APPROVAL TECHNICALLY BECAUSE THE DRC DOES NOT APPROVE APPLICATIONS.
UM, AND AT THAT TIME, I COULD SEND IT SEPARATELY TO COMMISSIONER DEPAUW IF THAT IS WHAT THE COMMISSION IS, IS LEANING TOWARDS FOR COMMENT BECAUSE IT WOULD JUST BE FOR COMMENT ON BOTH, UM, BOTH PARTS OF THAT.
DOES D-R-C-C-H-C-O-D-I MEAN IT DOESN'T GO TO DRC FROM HERE NORMALLY, RIGHT? TYPICALLY IT DOES NOT TYPICALLY.
I MEAN YOU ALL ARE THE APPROVAL AUTHORITY.
YOU ALL ARE THE APPROVAL AUTHORITY FOR IT.
UM, APPLICATIONS THAT ARE APPROVED WITH CONDITIONS ARE EITHER BROUGHT BACK TO STAFF ONLY FOR THEM TO THEM BEING ME 90% OF THE TIME.
BUT STAFF LEVEL REVIEW OF THOSE CONDITIONS OR TO THE DEVELOPMENT REVIEW COMMITTEE WHERE TECHNICALLY IT IS STILL A STAFF APPROVAL BECAUSE THE DRC DOES NOT HAVE APPROVAL AUTHORITY OF A-H-C-O-D APPLICATION, BUT THEY CAN PROVIDE COMMENT AND I WOULD TAKE THAT COMMENT AS WHETHER OR NOT IT WAS AMENABLE TO PASS THOSE CONDITIONS.
QUESTION, QUESTION, QUESTION ON THAT THEN.
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SO IF THEY, IF THEY PUT IT IN NEXT MONDAY, WHAT WOULD HAPPEN? IT WOULD BE ON IN TWO WEEKS.
SO IT'S ALMOST THREE WEEKS AGAIN.
SO IT'S THE SAME WHETHER IT COMES BACK HERE OR GOES TO DRC TIMING, IT, IT, THIS FEELS KIND OF FUNKY
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TO TRY TO GET AN APPROVAL TODAY WHEN THE, THE MAJORITY OF US ARE.I WAS GONNA SAY IF IT IS AMENABLE TO THE APPLICANT, TABLING IT IS ALSO AN OPTION.
UM, BUT IT HAS TO BE AT THE REQUEST OF THE APPLICANT FOR A TABLE, UM, FOR THE SAY APPLICANT.
ARE YOU INTERESTED IN TABLING? WE, WE WOULD'VE INTEREST IN TABLING IT.
UM, I THINK WE WOULD BE ABLE TO WORK THROUGH EVERYTHING IS A CONDITION OF APPROVAL.
I MEAN, WE'RE WILLING TO WORK WITH YOU GUYS AND REVISE EVERYTHING AS SUGGESTED.
SO I DON'T REALLY FORESEE ANY CONFLICTS OR ANYTHING THAT'S NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO WORK FOR US OR OUR ARCHITECT.
UM, BUT IF YOU'D PREFER TO TABLE IT AND VOTE AT THE NEXT PLANNING COMMISSION, I THINK THAT THAT COULD WORK.
I THINK IT'LL KIND OF BE THE SAME TIMETABLE AS THE D-R-C-R-C MEETING.
SO, YEAH, I THINK, I THINK THAT MIGHT BE THE BETTER THING TODAY THEN.
WELL, THE, THE PROCESS IS, UM, WE HAVE A CHOICE TO APPROVE OR DENY RIGHT NOW.
UNLESS YOU REQUEST SHE JUST SAID SHE, SHE REQUEST AND, AND THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE DOING.
IS THAT WHAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO DO? GO AHEAD AND PUT IN A REQUEST BECAUSE WE ARE ONE WAY OR THE OTHER, YES OR NO? AND IT'S LEANING TO THE NO.
SO WOULD YOU LIKE TO PUT IN, IN A REQUEST? WE, WE COULD TABLE IT FOR NOW AND WE COULD RESUBMIT HOPEFULLY IF, IF WE'RE ABLE TO, WE COULD BY THIS FRIDAY.
IF YOU COULD MAKE AN EXCEPTION FOR NEXT MONDAY.
I THINK THAT WE COULD MAKE THAT DEADLINE.
IT IS IN BY, AND I, I'M SOUNDING IT'S SOUNDING LIKE TABLE.
UM, AND I CAN MAKE AN EXCEPTION UNTIL MONDAY AROUND NOON, BUT IF IT IS IN BY FRIDAY, I CAN TECHNICALLY ACTUALLY GET IT ON NEXT WEEK'S DRC BECAUSE THE AGENDA IS, UM, STILL OKAY TO BE MODIFIED UNTIL FRIDAY.
SO WOULD IT BE D BUT THAT AFFECTS OUR VERSION ACTUALLY, IF THE, IT'LL THEM, IT SOUNDS TABLING IS THE BEST SOLUTION THAT WILL MAKE ALL PARTIES FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH AND THEN EVERYBODY CAN SEE IT AGAIN TOO.
AND, AND IT'S AN OFFICIAL VOTE.
FORMALLY PLANNING COMMISSION AND LYDIA'S ACTIVELY INVOLVED AS OPPOSED ABSOLUTELY.
I I'M MORE COMFORTABLE WITH THAT.
I'D RATHER HAVE IT COME BACK THROUGH.
SO THEN WHAT, WHAT DO I DO WHEN IT'S TABLE? IS THIS TABLE REQUEST TABLE AND THEN I DON'T, THERE'S THEN THAT'S IT.
SO THE APPLICATION HAS BEEN TABLED, SO THE APPLICATION HAS BEEN TABLED BY REQUEST OF THE APPLICANT.
I WAS DO WE HAVE ANY NEW BUSINESS? NO, WE DO NOT.
DO WE HAVE ANY DISCUSSION? DO WE HAVE A MOTION TO ADJOURN? JASON WANTED TO MAKE, I'LL MAKE, YOU'LL MAKE THE MOTION FOR SECONDING OVER HERE WITH MICHAEL.