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CAPTIONING PROVIDED BY BUFORT COUNTY, THANKING EVERYBODY FOR PARTICIPATING IN THIS.AND IT'S IMPORTANT, UM, AND, UH, AT LEAST MANY OF US AT THE TABLE HAVE BEEN THROUGH THIS AT LEAST ONCE BEFORE.
UM, SO WE KIND OF KNOW A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE DRILL, BUT I, I THINK WE CAN TELL FROM THE, FROM THE ADDED SECURITY AND THE PRESENCE OF THE LAWYER IN THE ROOM TV, THINGS HAVE CHANGED A LITTLE BIT, BUT I WANNA THANK, I WANNA THANK YOU.
THIS SOUNDS STRANGE FOR HONORING ME WITH THE CHAIR.
UM, I HOPE THAT I CAN LIVE UP TO YOUR EXPECTATIONS AND THAT WE CAN GET THIS THING DONE QUICKLY AND, UH, WITH, YOU KNOW, UH, A GOOD OUTCOME FOR THE COUNTY.
SO, OTHER THAN THAT, I DON'T HAVE MUCH ELSE TO SAY OTHER THAN THANK YOU, JARED.
YEAH, WE GOTTA GO THROUGH THE MM-HMM.
UM, SO, UH, BACK TO TODAY'S, UM, WE'VE GOT TO DO THE PRO OF ALLEGIANCE, SO WE MIGHT AS WELL DO THAT.
I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLICAN FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL IFICATION OF THIS MEETING HAS BEEN PUBLISHED, POSTED, AND DISTRIBUTED IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE SOUTH CAROLINA FREEDOM OF INFORMATION ACT.
THE AGENDAS IN FRONT OF US ALL.
MAY I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE AGENDA? SO MOVED.
I HAVE A MOTION TO HAVE A SECOND.
UH, THE MINUTES FROM THE LAST MEETING ARE, ARE ON THE NEXT PAGE IN, UH, I HAVE NO BASIS FOR JUDGING THEM, SO, UH, I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE TO ACCEPT THEM.
UH, ANY DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF APPROVING THE MINUTES OF OCTOBER 12TH, UH, 2023, SAY.
SO I, GIVEN MY, I'VE GIVEN MY OPENING OF REMARKS,
SO, UM, SHOULD WE HAVE AMENDED THE AGENDA? BECAUSE YOU,
SO JARED, I'M TURNING THIS TO YOU.
WE HAVE A LOT OF GROUND TO COVER TONIGHT, SO I WANNA BE AS FAST AS POSSIBLE, WHAT I WANNA BE AS, AS, UM, FULLY EXPLAIN EVERYTHING, AS MUCH AS ANYBODY NEEDS EXPLANATION.
SO, UM, ALSO JUST I WANTED TO NOTE, WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF PUBLIC, BUT WE DO HAVE ONE PUBLIC HERE.
UM, MR. JIM ARMSTRONG, HE RECENTLY RETIRED FROM CHARLESTON COUNTY, UH, AND HE SERVED AS DEPUTY DEPUTY COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR FOR PUBLIC SERVICES.
SO HE, HE'S DONE A LOT WITH THEIR SALES TAX PROGRAM AND, UM, MAYBE LATER THAT WE CAN PICK HIS BRAIN, WHETHER HE SHOWS UP TONIGHT OR ANOTHER NIGHT IN FUTURE.
ALRIGHT, SO, PICKING UP WHERE WE LEFT OFF LAST YEAR, LA OR LAST WEEK, WE JUST KIND OF WENT OVER WHAT WE DID LAST YEAR, AND WE PICKED UP WHAT WE DID LAST YEAR AND THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT THE COMMITTEE MADE TO COUNCIL, AND WE KIND OF WENT OVER THAT.
AND THEN, UM, WE TALK ABOUT THE DIFFERENCE OF WHAT LAST YEAR'S COMMITTEE DID VERSUS THIS YEAR, WHAT THE COMMITTEE'S TASKED TO DO.
AND THE DIFFERENCE IS, LAST YEAR WAS SET UP AS A TRANSPORTATION SALES TASK COMMITTEE.
THAT WAS THE PLEDGE BY COUNCIL TO STUDY THAT AND PROVIDE RECOMMENDATION BACK.
THIS IS SET UP A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENTLY.
IT'S SET UP AS A SALES TAX ADVISORY COMMITTEE TO EVALUATE WHETHER WE SHOULD DO TRANSPORTATION, CAPITAL PROJECTS, EDUCATION, WHATEVER THE GAMUT IS.
UH, AND BECAUSE OF THAT, WE USE THE, UH, MOST STRINGENT STATUTE IN, IN STATE LAW FOR THE FORMATION OF THIS COMMITTEE.
SO THAT IS CAPITAL PROJECT SALES TAX.
HENCE THE REASON WE HAVE SIX MEMBERS IS HOW IT'S WRITTEN IN THE CODE.
AND ALSO, UM, THE, THE REASONS WE'RE A LITTLE BIT MORE FORMAL THAN WE WERE LAST YEAR IS THERE'S A LOT MORE, UH, LITERATURE IN THE LAW ABOUT HOW THIS IS TO TAKE PLACE.
SO, UM, SPEAKING OF THAT POINT RIGHT THERE, AS FAR AS THE DIFFERENT, UH, OPTIONS FOR LOCAL GOVERNMENTS, FOR LOCAL SALES TAX IN SOUTH CAROLINA, I WANT TO START WITH A SLIDE TO A PRESENTATION.
I SENT THIS OUT, I DIDN'T PRINT IT OUT,
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AND YOU GUYS CAN TELL ME RIGHT OR WRONG MOVING FORWARD, BUT I DID SEND IT OUT ON THE EMAIL.UM, THIS, A BUNCH OF PAGES, ABOUT 55 PAGES, WE'RE NOT GONNA HIT EVERY SLIDE.
UM, BUT RATHER THAN KILL ALL THOSE TREES, UM, YOU GUYS CAN FOLLOW ALONG.
IF YOU DON'T LIKE THAT, LET ME KNOW NEXT TIME.
I'LL MAKE SURE I THAT ONE, YOU DON'T HAVE THIS ONE? MM-HMM.
ON THE THUMB DRIVE? NO, I DON'T HAVE THAT ONE ON THE THUMB DRIVE.
DO YOU HAVE ACCESS TO YOUR EMAIL? I DO NOT.
I, ALEX, UM, DO YOU HAVE THE OTHER ONE? YES.
CAN YOU PULL THAT ONE UP AND THEN WE'LL COME BACK TO THIS.
SO IF YOU PULL THAT ONE UP, UM, WE'RE GONNA SKIP, IF IT'S ALL RIGHT TO NUMBER EIGHT AND COME BACK TO NUMBER SEVEN, IF THAT'S ALL RIGHT.
UM, AND THEN WHEN YOU GET THAT ONE PULLED UP, WE CAN, NO, NOT THIS ONE, CAROL.
THE, THE SPREADSHEET WITH ALL ON IT.
DO YOU HAVE THAT? NO, WE DON'T.
SEE, I DON'T KNOW THAT IT MAKES A DIFFERENCE, BUT I DO HAVE THAT SLIDESHOW ON HERE IF IT CAN.
IF, IF IT DOESN'T MAKE A DIFFERENCE, DO WE NEED TO HAVE THAT ONLINE WHILE I'M GOING THROUGH IT? I DON'T THINK SO, BUT I, I CAN TRY AND MAKE IT ONLINE.
HOW ABOUT, HOW ABOUT I GO THROUGH IT? THEN WE'LL STAY WITH WHERE WE WERE.
AND THEN IF YOU CAN GRAB THAT FILE FROM YOUR DESKTOP.
AND, AND BRING IT BACK WHILE WE'RE GOING THROUGH IT.
SO WE'LL STAY WITH THE AGENDA.
EXCUSE ME, SORRY FOR THE TO GO.
ALRIGHT, SO THIS IS THE SPREADSHEET OR THE, THE P D F THAT I'M GOING THROUGH.
UM, THIS WAS, OKAY, THIS WAS THE ONE THAT WAS SENT OUT PRIOR TO, UM, AND THIS IS FROM COUNCIL OF GOVERNMENTS, UM, IN APPALACHIAN UPSTATE.
IT'S A LITTLE DATED, BUT THE INFORMATION IN THERE IS STILL SUFFICIENT.
THAT'LL BE, YEAH, LET'S DO THE ONE THAT'S ON THE SCREEN.
THAT WAY YOU GUYS CAN SEE, UH, WHAT WE HAVE.
ALRIGHT, SO THIS IS ITEM NUMBER EIGHT.
THIS IS THIS SPREADSHEET TO MAKE IT EASIER TO FOLLOW ALONG FOR EVERYBODY.
IT'S IN, IT'S IN YOUR DOCUMENTS THERE IN FRONT OF YOU.
THIS IS ANSWERING THE QUESTION.
LAST YEAR, UH, WE ENDED WITH THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF 10 YEAR, 700 MILLION, AND WE HAD A PRODUCT, UH, WORK PRODUCT THERE.
AND COUNTY COUNCIL SAID, WE'RE MOVING FORWARD WITH GREEN SPACE, BUT WE WANT TO COME BACK TO TRANSPORTATION.
SO THEY PROVIDED $6 MILLION FOR COUNTY STAFF TO START WORKING ON PROJECTS TO GET 'EM READY, UM, AND OFF THE GROUND.
SO WHEN WE COME BACK IN POTENTIALLY 2024, WE'RE NOT STARTING FROM GROUND ZERO.
SO THIS IS A BREAKDOWN OF THOSE PROJECTS.
AND THE MOST IMPORTANT THING IS, UM, IF YOU REMEMBER LAST YEAR WE HAD, UM, PROGRAM PROJECTS, BUCKET PROJECTS, SAFETY, RESURFACING, UH, RESILIENCY, DIFFERENT THINGS.
AND THEN WE HAD SPECIFIC PROJECTS.
SO WE USED THAT SAME FORMAT IN HOW WE'RE GONNA TACK WITH THIS INVESTMENT FUNDS, UH, WHAT OUR GOAL WAS TO ONE, START THE BIG PROJECTS THAT WE HAD.
SO THAT'S THE SC 46, WIDEN FROM THE TRAFFIC CIRCLE TO JASPER COUNTY LINE, THE TRIANGLE PROJECT.
SO THIS WAS SC ONE 70 FROM 2 78 UP TO 4 62.
UM, WHAT WE'VE DONE SINCE THEN THOUGH IS SAID, YOU KNOW WHAT, IF WE'RE GOING DO THE EFFORT TO WIDEN, UH, THAT SECTION OF ROAD FOUR AND A HALF MILES ON ONE 70 ARJUN BOULEVARD IS THE DESPERATE NEED OF HELP AS WELL.
AND OH, BY THE WAY, TWO 70 EIGHT'S GONNA NEED WIDENED AT SOME POINT AS WELL.
SO WHEN YOU START LOOKING AT ALL THOSE TOGETHER, THE LEVEL OF EFFORT, UM, FROM A SMALLER PROJECT TO A LARGER PROJECT, IT'S ALL THE SAME PROCESS.
AND WHEN US ENGINEERS LOOKED AT IT ON A MAP, IT LOOKED LIKE A TRIANGLE, SO WE CALLED IT THE TRIANGLE.
SO THAT IS THE DESIGNATION OF THAT PROJECT.
UM, BUT THAT'S BASICALLY THE SC ONE 70 WIDENING THAT WAS IN THE RECOMMENDATIONS FROM LAST YEAR.
UH, AND THEN LASTLY IS REIMAGINE REBO ROAD.
SO THIS IS, UH, ONE OF THE NORTHERN, UH, NORTH OF THE BROAD PROJECTS.
SO BASICALLY FROM BOUNDARY STREET ALL THE WAY THROUGH THE BELL BRIDGE, THAT, UH, FOUR AND A HALF MILE STRETCH.
UM, SO THOSE THREE PROJECTS, WE, YOU CAN SEE THE FUNDING THAT WE ALLOCATED TOWARD EACH ONE OF THOSE.
AND THE INTENT IS TO GET THE PROJECT STARTED.
WE ACTUALLY HAD A GOOD PLANNING SESSION YESTERDAY WITH D O T AND HE SAID, THESE NUMBERS DON'T SCARE ME.
THE BIG NUMBERS THAT, THAT GO TO THIS, UM, ARE IN THE, UH, UM, TENS OF MILLIONS, HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS ACTUALLY FOR THESE THREE PROJECTS ALONE.
AND D M T, UH, SAID, THAT NUMBER DOESN'T SCARE ME.
WHAT SCARES ME IS EVER GETTING STARTED.
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IS HELPING US GET STARTED.ONCE YOU GET STARTED, UH, WE'RE THREE OR FOUR YEARS OUT FROM RAISING OUR HANDS, HEY, WE NEED MATCHING FEDERAL FUNDS, OR WE NEED, WE DON'T HAVE SALES TAX FUNDS, WE DON'T HAVE ANY FUNDS.
UM, SO BY GETTING THEM STARTED AND IF SALES TAX WAS TO COME THROUGH, THEN ONCE WE'RE READY TO APPLY FOR GRANTS, WELL, WE CAN SAY WE'RE 50% THROUGH WITH THE DESIGN.
WE'VE GOT OUR INITIAL PERMITS, WE'VE, UM, STARTED OUR RIGHT OF WAY ACQUISITION.
ALL THAT LOOKS GOOD ON FUTURE GRANT OPPORTUNITIES.
UM, SO WE'VE GOT THOSE THREE, UH, UNDER CONTRACT AND STARTED, EXCEPT THE TRIANGLE.
UM, THE TRIANGLE WE'RE WORKING RIGHT NOW TO GET THAT PROCESS STARTED.
UM, THE INTENT IS THAT THIS WOULD BE FOR THE FIRST PORTION OF THE DESIGN, BASICALLY UP THROUGH THE 30% DESIGN.
SO THAT'S WHERE WE HAVE TO DO ALL THE ENVIRONMENTAL DOCUMENTATION.
UM, IF WE HAVE TO, LIKE ON THE BRIDGE PROJECT, THE HILTON HEAD, WE HAD TO LOOK AT ALL THE DIFFERENT RANGE OF ALTERNATIVES.
ALL THAT'S IN WHAT'S CALLED THE NEPA, THE, UM, THE ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW.
SO THIS IS OUR BEST GUESS AT GETTING US AT LEAST TO THAT POINT, WHICH IS A GOOD STANDOFF.
AND AT THAT POINT YOU MOVE INTO FULL DESIGN AND RIGHT AWAY AND UTILITY COORDINATION.
UM, SO THAT'S THOSE THREE PROJECTS.
THE OTHER ONES, RATHER THAN SPREADING IT AROUND TO RESURFACING, UM, AND DIRT ROAD PAVING AND DIFFERENT PROJECTS LIKE THAT, ALL THOSE PROJECTS COST A GOOD BIT AND HAVE A GOOD BIT OF PERMITTING, UM, UTILITY COORDINATION RIGHT AWAY ACQUISITION ASSOCIATED WITH THEM.
OUR INTENT WAS LET'S DO SAFETY PROJECTS THAT WE HEAR ALL THE TIME.
WELL, IF THIS WAS A LEFT TURN RING OR IF THIS WAS A DECELERATION LANE OR IF THIS INTERSECTION GOT IMPROVED.
UM, AND WHAT WE FEEL IS WITH THIS MONEY THAT'S BEEN ENTRUSTED TO US FROM COUNTY COUNCIL, WE COULD GET A LOT OF THESE PROJECTS DESIGNED AND EITHER ON THE STREET OR CLOSE TO READY TO GO TO STREET PRIOR TO A SALES TAX REFERENDUM AS EARLY AS 24.
UM, SO THEN WE'RE SAYING, HEY, LOOK WHAT WE'VE DONE WITH THE MONEY THAT'S BEEN ENTRUSTED AND SHOULD WE, SHOULD THE, UH, POP GENERAL POPULATION VOTE TO ENTRUST MORE MONEY, WE CAN CONTINUE TO GET MORE OF THESE PROJECTS DONE.
SAFETY PROJECTS ARE TYPICALLY HAVE LITTLE TO NO, UH, RIGHT OF WAY ACQUISITION.
UM, UTILITY COORDINATION IS LESS.
YOU'RE BASICALLY STAYING WITHIN THE CONFINES OR JUST ADDING A LITTLE BIT OF TURN LANE.
UM, SO THEY'RE, THE PERMITTING IS MUCH LESS AS WELL.
SO THESE ARE THE DIFFERENT PROJECTS AND WE CAN TALK THROUGH 'EM AS MUCH AS YOU WANT TO, BUT YOU CAN SEE 'EM THERE ON THE SCREEN.
UM, SO SUNSET, WE HAVE SUNSET AS PART OF THE ORIGINAL SALES TAX IN 2018, BUT THIS IS CONTINUATION.
UM, THESE ARE ALL HOT SPOTS THAT WE ALREADY KNOW AND RECOGNIZE THAT WE'RE WORKING ON.
SO, UM, I CAN GO INTO AS MUCH OR A LITTLE DETAIL FROM HERE.
WHAT IS A $17,000 CABINET UPGRADE? THAT IS FOR A SIGNAL ITSELF.
SO THE HARDWARE INSIDE THE SIGNAL, WHICH I SEE, WHICH ONE ARE YOU AT? YEAH, CABINET UPGRADE TIDE WATCH.
SO THAT WAS TO INSTALL A LEFT TURN SIGNAL AT TIDE WATCH.
OKAY, SO THE CABINET IS THE THING THAT MAKES THE SIGNAL IS THE COMPUTER THAT THE BRAIN OF THE SIGNAL.
UM, WHAT'S NOT INCLUDED UP HERE IS SIMILAR TO THIS TRIANGLE PROJECT, THERE WAS A, UM, SHORT TERM MIDTERM, LONG TERM.
WE'VE GOT FOUR AND A HALF MILES OF WIDENING.
IT'LL TAKE A LITTLE WHILE FOR THAT TO DEVELOP.
BUT SAME THOUGHT PROCESS IS WE'RE GETTING STARTED WITH A $3 MILLION PROJECT TO DO SOME IMPROVEMENTS AT ONE 70 AND 2 78 AND ARJUN BOULEVARD AND ONE 70 AND AN SE 4 62 AND ONE 70.
SO SEPARATE PROJECT, BUT SAME THOUGHT PROCESS.
UM, SO YOU CAN SEE THAT WE'VE GOT HALF OF THAT ENCUMBERED OR UNDER CONTRACT, UM, RIGHT NOW WHERE THIS IS THE BIG ONE THAT WE'RE WORKING ON RIGHT NOW TO GET UNDER CONTRACT, UM, WORKING WITH D O T AND THE M P O ON THAT.
SO ARE YOU SAYING THAT, UM, YOU'RE WORKING ON ALL THESE SAFETY IMPROVEMENTS? THAT'S A LARGE LIST RIGHT THERE.
ARE YOU SAYING THAT THEY'LL GET READY TO GO WHEN WE HAVE THE REFERENDUM OR A LOT OF THEM WILL HAVE BEEN STARTED OR IN MID WORK? ALL THE ABOVE.
SO AS MUCH AS WE CAN PUT OUT THERE.
SO THE SAFETY PROJECTS, IT COULD BE A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS SAFETY PROJECT OR IT COULD BE A $2 MILLION SAFETY PROJECT.
SO DEPENDING ON WHAT TYPE OF PROJECT IT IS, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND PUT IT OUT OR, UM, HAVE IT READY TO PUT OUT PENDING THE SALES TAX.
SO FOR INSTANCE, WINDMILL HARBOR, WE JUST INSTALLED A SIGNAL THERE THAT WAS $120,000.
SO EVEN THOUGH IT'S A WHOLE NEW SIGNAL, WE DIDN'T DO ANY ASPHALT WORK.
IT'S NOT THE PERMANENT MASS ARMS, IT'S JUST THE WOODEN POLES AND THE STRING WIRES.
BUT WE WERE ABLE TO MAKE THAT SAFETY IMPROVEMENT, NOT WITH THIS FUND.
AND WE HAD SOME OTHER FUNDING PLEDGED.
UM, BUT THAT WOULD BE THE TYPE OF IMPROVEMENTS.
AND WE CAN SAY, UM, WE CAN PUT SOME SIGNAGE UP TO ANNOUNCE HOW WE DID THAT.
WE WOULD, OUR GOAL WAS TO SPREAD THE SAFETY DOLLARS AROUND THE COUNTY
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TO DIFFERENT PINPOINTS AND TO HAVE BARRELS ON THE ROAD, AT LEAST SOME BARRELS ON THE ROAD BETWEEN NOW AND NOVEMBER.WELL THAT'S WHAT WE'VE BEEN SINCE.
SO WE USED THE RECOMMENDATION AS A SPRINGBOARD.
YOU CAN SEE THE PROGRAM PROJECTS AND THEN THE SPECIFIC PROJECTS.
AND THIS IS BASICALLY WHAT, UM, IF THE SAME RECOMMENDATION WAS MADE, BASICALLY MOVING THIS STRAIGHT INTO PRODUCTION.
ALRIGHT, WELL LET'S JUMP BACK TO THE OVERVIEW OF SALES TAX STATUTES.
AND I APOLOGIZE, I'M GONNA BE DOING A LOT OF TALKING TONIGHT, SO, UM, I'LL TRY TO NOT BE MONOTONOUS AS MUCH AS I CAN.
SOMETIMES IT'S NOT AS INTERESTING, ESPECIALLY DEALING WITH STATUTE STUFF.
BUT, UM, SO DO YOU HAVE THIS ONE FOUND CAROL? UM, WE'LL NEED IT RIGHT NOW.
DO YOU HAVE A PACKET? GO HAVE ANOTHER PACKET.
IT IT, DID YOU SEND THIS TO US ELECTRONICALLY? I SENT THIS ELECTRONICALLY.
WAS IT UNDER YOUR NAME? YES, I'M SORRY BECAUSE I'M LOOKING AT CAROL'S NAME.
CAROL SIGN IT DID CAROL'S THAT LOGIN.
WHAT'S THE WIFI? UM, WHAT'S THE WIFI CAROL GOT? IT'S JUST THE PUBLIC WIFI BC GUN PASSWORD.
ALRIGHT, LET'S WAIT SOME TITLE 10.
IS THIS THE WAY? NO, THIS, IT LOOKS LIKE THIS.
ISN'T THAT OVERVIEW? IT'S IN THE EMAIL ING THE EMAIL.
ALL RIGHT, NOW WE'RE LOCKED AND LOADED.
ALRIGHT, I'M NOT GONNA RUN THROUGH ALL OF THIS, BUT AGAIN, YOU CAN SEE IT'S DATED 2014.
THE ONLY ONE THAT'S CHANGED IS GREEN SPACE, WHICH JUST GOT ADOPTED.
UM, SO CAROL, WE'RE GONNA JUST SLIDE THROUGH THESE.
WE DON'T NEED THIS ONE RIGHT HERE.
ALL RIGHT, SO THIS IS THE SALES TAX STATUTES IN SOUTH CAROLINA STATUTES.
SO THERE ARE SEVEN SALES TAX, LOCAL OPTION SALES TAX CAPITAL PROJECTS.
UM, A COUPLE YOU PROBABLY NEVER HEARD OF.
LOCAL PROPERTY TAX CREDIT, SALES TAX, PERSONAL PROPERTY, UM, TAX RELIEF, SALES TAX.
UM, LOCAL TRANSPORTATION PROJECT, SALES TAX, LOCAL AGENT, UH, HOSPITALITY AND ACCOMMODATION TAX.
THAT'S NOT A SALES TAX, WE'RE NOT GONNA TALK ABOUT THAT.
UM, CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT SALES, EDUCATION CAPITAL AND SCHOOL DISTRICT SALES TAX.
THE ONLY ONE THAT'S NOT LISTED ON THERE IS GREEN SPACE.
SO NOW WE HAVE EIGHT SALES TAX.
SO AGAIN, WE HAVE A 6% ACROSS THE BOARD AT THE STATE LEVEL, WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE UP TO THREE ADDITIONAL OUT OF THE EIGHT VALID STATUTES.
DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? ALL RIGHT, SCROLL DOWN.
SO THIS IS A MAP, THIS IS IN YOUR FILE.
I SEE A COUPLE PEOPLE THAT HAVE IT IN FRONT OF YOU.
WHAT YOU HAVE IS THE LATEST AND GREATEST AS OF MAY OF THIS YEAR.
BUT IN ESSENCE, WHAT THIS IS, THIS IS SAYING THIS IS THE 46 COUNTIES AND THIS IS WHAT TAX THEY HAVE OR DON'T HAVE.
SO YOU CAN SEE DIFFERENT COLORS HAVE LOCAL OPTION SCHOOL DISTRICT TAX, SOME OF 'EM HAVE MULTIPLE TAX AND I'LL TALK ABOUT THAT MORE LATER.
SO WE'LL COME BACK TO THAT SHEET.
BUT THAT'S IN ESSENCE JUST A PICTORIAL, QUICK PICTORIAL, WHAT OTHER COUNTIES ARE DOING.
SO STARTING WITH LOCAL OPTION SALES TAX.
SO THIS WAS THE FIRST SALES TAX.
UH, JUST REAL QUICK, UH, COUNTY GOVERNMENT WAS ESTABLISHING BY HOME RULE IN 1975.
UP UNTIL THAT TIME, COUNTY GOVERNMENT REALLY DIDN'T EXIST.
UM, IT WAS MORE OF A STATE REPRESENTATIVE AND THEY WOULD COME BACK TO THE AREA AND THAT'S HOW GOVERNMENT WORKED.
SO IN 75 BASICALLY HOME RULE WAS ENACTED.
UM, AND WE STARTED WITH COUNTY GOVERNMENT AND THEN A LOT OF PROVISIONS ON WHAT WE CAN OR CANNOT DO BASED OFF THAT HOME RULE ACT.
SO THIS IS THE FIRST TIME THAT SALES TAX CAME TO THE LOCAL LEVEL AT, AT THE COUNTY LEVEL.
SO 1990, THIS WAS THE FIRST ONE.
NEXT, UM, AT THE TIME RIGHT OUT THE GATE, SIX PEOPLE, SIX OUT OF THE 46 ADOPTED IT.
AND THEN AS OF 21, UH, OUR 2014, 31 OF THE 46 HAD ADOPTED THIS LOCAL OPTION SALES TAX.
UM, SO SINCE THEN THEY'VE ADOPTED SIX OTHERS AND NOW SEVEN BEING GREEN SPACE.
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UM, NEXT SLIDE.SO THIS IS THE BASIS OF LOCAL OPTION SALES TAX.
SO THIS RIGHT HERE, UM, IT'S OFTEN REFERRED TO AS A, AS A PROPERTY TAX ROLLBACK.
AND WHAT I MEAN BY THAT IS FOR EVERY DOLLAR THAT'S COLLECTED 71% OR SAY EVERY A HUNDRED DOLLARS $71 IS GOING BACK TO RELIEF.
UM, AND THERE'S A BREAKDOWN IN THE FORMULA FOR THAT.
AND THEN 29% OF IT GOES BACK TO THE LOCAL GOVERNMENTS AS A CAPITAL PROJECT REVENUE FUND.
SO, UM, THAT WAY THEY CAN DO CERTAIN PROJECTS, WHETHER IT'S BUILDING PROJECTS OR WHATEVER PROJECTS THAT THEY HAVE.
AND THERE'S A LIST OF WHAT PROJECTS ARE ELIGIBLE THAT LOCAL GOVERNMENTS CAN SPEND OUT OF THIS BREAKDOWN.
ARE YOU TELLING ME THAT $29 OUT OF A HUNDRED DOLLARS GOES TO ACTUALLY BUILD SOMETHING, SOME TYPE OF, SOME TYPE OF STRUCTURE? YEAH.
YOU SAID CAPITAL WHATEVER, $71 OUT OF THAT A HUNDRED DOLLARS MAKES MY TAX BILL LOWER.
SO IT DOESN'T, IT JUST PAYS FOR THE OPERATION OF THE COUNTY.
SALES TAX IS LOWERING YOUR PROPERTY TAX.
THE BEAUTY OF IT IS THAT YOU HAVE ALL THE TOURS HELPING TO PAY YOUR PROPERTY TAX.
THAT'S A DOWNSIDE TO, TO THE NEXT, BUT ONLY 29 CENTS OR $29 OUTTA THAT A HUNDRED DOLLARS WE CAN ACTUALLY UTILIZE TO BUILD OR DO SOMETHING WE AS LOCAL GOVERNMENTS, RIGHT? AND LOCAL GOVERNMENTS.
SO THERE'S A SPLIT BETWEEN THE COUNTIES, HOW MUCH THE COUNTY GETS FOR THAT AND HOW MUCH THE MUNICIPALITIES WITH IT.
AND THERE'S A FORMULA FOR THAT.
SO, BUT THE, THE PRO HAS BEEN LISTED, THERE IS A CON IN THAT AND THAT IS ANYBODY THAT OWN DOES NOT OWN PROPERTY IS PAYING THAT HIGHER TAX TO HELP SUPPLEMENT THE PROPERTY OWNERS.
SO THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE DICHOTOMY BETWEEN PROPERTY TAX AND SALES TAX.
SO, UM, PROPERTY TAX, YOU'VE GOT TO OWN STUFF.
UH, IF YOU DON'T OWN STUFF, YOU DON'T PAY ANYTHING US AT THE SAME TIME.
SALES TAX, EVERYBODY PAYS REGARDLESS WHETHER YOU OWN OR NOT.
NOT ONE'S RIGHT OR WRONG, THAT'S JUST HOW THEY'RE SET UP DIFFERENTLY.
UH, SO THIS IS JUST A VISUAL OF THAT.
A HUNDRED DOLLARS IS THE A HUNDRED THOUSAND, RIGHT? NEXT SLIDE.
ALRIGHT, SO THIS IS THE BREAKDOWN.
THE 71% THAT'S ROLLING BACK YOUR TAXES, 67 OF IT GOES TO THE COUNTY TO ROLL BACK THE COUNTIES AND 33 GOES BACK TO ROLL BACK THE MUNICIPALITY.
SO YOU PAY, IF YOU LIVE IN A MUNICIPALITY, YOU PAY MUNICIPALITY TAX AND COUNTY TAX.
SO A PORTION OF THIS ROLLS BACK BOTH PARTS OF YOUR TAX BILL BASED OFF POPULATION, UM, RELATIVE TO EACH OF THE COUNTY.
NEXT SLIDE, THE 29%, IT IS BROKEN OUT BETWEEN THE COUNTIES AND THE MUNICIPALITIES AS WELL.
SO THIS BASED OFF WHERE THE TAXES COLLECTED AND THE POPULATION OF EACH ENTITY.
SO FOR BEAUFORT COUNTY, JUST A CASE IN POINT, JUST SAY THERE'S 200,000 PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN THE COUNTY.
THERE'S 40,000 THAT LIVE IN HILTON HEAD AND 30,000 IN IN BLUFFTON.
UM, BUT MORE MONEY MIGHT GO TO BLUFFTON BECAUSE MORE MONEY IS SPENT AT TANGER OUTLET.
SO EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE 30%, THEY MAY GET HIGHER THAN THAT BECAUSE OF WHERE THE, THE SHOPPING IS, IS COLLECT WHERE THE FUNDS ARE COLLECTED.
ALL RIGHT, THIS IS JUST A BREAKDOWN OF THAT AND KEEP GOING.
SO JUST SOME RESTRICTIONS ON HOW THE REVENUE CAN BE USED.
UM, THERE'S A LOT OF SLIDES ON LOCAL OPTION SALES TAX.
ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS, AND I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S GONNA GET IN HERE, SO LOCAL OPTION SALES TAX.
ONCE IT GOES ON, THE ONLY WAY THERE'S NO SUNSET DATE, THERE'S NO LIKE 10 YEARS OR 25 YEARS.
IT'S ON THERE FOREVER UNTIL THERE'S A PETITION BY A CERTAIN NUMBER OF THE, UM, CITIZENS THAT LIVE IN THE COUNTY TO ASK FOR IT TO COME OFF.
SO OUT OF THE 38 THAT ARE ON THERE, I WOULD GUARANTEE THAT PROBABLY 38 ARE STILL ON THERE.
UM, AM I WRONG? NOT DIFFERENT.
MOST OF THE OTHERS THAT WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT HAVE A SUNSET DATE.
IS IT A DUMB QUESTION TO SAY WE'RE NOT ONE OF 38? WE'RE TALKING NOW ABOUT WHETHER WE DO THIS AND HOW THAT MONEY WILL BE USED? THAT'S CORRECT, BECAUSE WE ARE NOT ONE OF THE 38.
WHICH IS, WHICH IS TO ME THE STRANGEST, ONE OF THE STRANGEST THINGS.
YEAH, BECAUSE GIVEN, GIVEN THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT COMES IN FROM
UH, IF YOU LOOK AT THE MAP, WHAT YOU'LL SEE IS A LOT OF THE SMALLER COUNTIES HAVE THE LOCAL OPTION SALES TAX.
NOW SOME OF THE BIGGER COUNTIES DO TOO.
CHARLESTON COUNTY HAS A LOCAL OPTION SALES TAX.
UM, BUT THE SMALLER COUNTIES, UH, THEY DON'T HAVE AS MUCH SALES TAX COLLECTION.
SO THEIR PROPERTY TAXES ARE HIGHER.
SO PEOPLE ARE ALWAYS COMPLAINING ABOUT PROPERTY TAX.
SO THIS ALLOWS THEM TO REDUCE THEIR PROPERTY TAX.
THE PROBLEM IS IF YOU LIVE THERE FOREVER, YOU DON'T SEE IT ANYMORE 'CAUSE IT'S JUST BUILT INTO YOUR,
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YOUR WAY OF LIFE.UM, BUT GREENVILLE, UM, AND BUFORT ARE TWO OF THE BIGGEST ONES THAT DON'T HAVE ANY OF THE TAXES, BUT LET ALONE THE LOCAL OPTION SALES TAX, CHARLESTON HAS A LOCAL OPTION SALES TAX.
UM, SO KEEP KEEP SCROLLING DOWN.
UM, THIS IS JUST A BREAKDOWN OF THAT.
THIS IS JUST MORE OF THE FORMULA STUFF AND KEEP GOING.
SO, SO IS IT MY UNDERSTANDING THAT LOCAL OPTION SALES TAX IS HARD TO PASS BECAUSE PEOPLE SEE IT AS A FAUCET THAT NEVER GETS TURNED OFF.
THEY'RE GONNA KEEP TAKING MY MONEY OPPOSED TO? SO THAT IS ONE AVENUE.
SO IF ANYBODY IS, UH, REMEMBERS THIS OR IS AWARE, SO IN 2021 WE ACTUALLY, THE COUNTY PUT ON A REFERENDUM FOR LOCAL OPTION SALES TAX.
SO THIS CAN BE PUT ON IN ANY CALENDAR YEAR.
SOME OF 'EM CAN ONLY BE ON INTER EVEN YEARS OR GENERAL ELECTION YEAR.
THIS ONE CAN GO ON AT ANY TIME.
WHAT HAPPENED IS THE, AND THIS IS A LITTLE BIT OF MY TAKE ON WHAT HAPPENED, UM, THE MUNICIPALITIES ASKED FOR THE COUNTY TO PUT PUT LOCAL OPTION SALES TAX ON THE REFERENDUM.
THE REASON IS THE LOCAL, THE MUNICIPALITIES DON'T HAVE AS MANY FUNDING OPPORTUNITIES.
ALL THESE SALES TAXES APPLY TO COUNTIES.
UM, THERE'S A STATUTE IN, THIS IS ALL IN WHAT STATUTE IS FOR COUNTIES.
TITLE, CHAPTER FOUR, TITLE FOUR.
TITLE FOUR IS FOR COUNTIES ONLY.
AND THEN THERE'S ANOTHER SECTION IN STATUTE FOR CITIES ONLY.
THEY DON'T HAVE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO RAISE THEIR SALES TAX.
THEY DO, A COUPLE OF THEM HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY BY FAR AND LARGE, THEY DON'T HAVE AS MANY FUNDING OPPORTUNITIES.
SO THIS WAS A WAY FOR THE MUNICIPALITIES TO HAVE A CAPITAL PROJECT TO DIP INTO, BUT IT WAS ONLY GONNA BE 29%.
NOW, IT ALSO HELPED THEM 'CAUSE THEY WERE ROLLING BACK THEIR TAXES WITHIN, UM, WITHIN THEIR JURISDICTION AS WELL AS THE COUNTY.
IT WOULD HELP THE COUNTY UNINCORPORATED FOLKS AS WELL.
I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE WAS A LOT OF EDUCATION ABOUT IT.
IT'S FAIRLY COMPLICATED TO EXPLAIN TO THE, THE GENERAL, UH, LAY PERSON ON HOW IT'S BREAKDOWN AND HOW THIS IS GONNA AFFECT ME AND WHAT AM I GONNA GET OUT OF BECAUSE OF THE BREAKDOWN IN THE CALCULATION.
SO IT FAILED PRETTY MISERABLY.
I WANNA SAY CLOSE TO 70, NO AND 30 YES ON IT.
UM, AND I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S BEEN TRIED AT ANY OTHER TIME, BUT I DO KNOW IT HAPPENED IN 21.
I WANNA SAY WE TALKED ABOUT IT IN HILTON HEAD BACK IN WHAT, 16 OR 17 WHEN YOU WERE ON COUNCIL? I DON'T REMEMBER WHY IT DIDN'T GO FORWARD, BUT THERE WAS LONG DISCUSSION, UH, DURING THAT TIMEFRAME.
YOU'LL HEAR IT CALLED LOST LOCAL OPTION SALES TAX.
UH, ALL OF THESE ARE LOCAL, LOCAL SALES AND USE TAX, BUT THIS IS CALLED LOCAL OPTION SALES TAX.
ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS ONE BEFORE WE MOVE FORWARD? WE'RE GONNA REFER BACK TO THIS LATER IN OUR DISCUSSION.
SO IT'S NOT FOR N EVEN IF THIS IS THE ONE THAT'S NOT CONSIDERED, IF IT IS, IT'S CONSIDERED, THAT'S GREAT TOO.
UM, SO 1%, AND THIS IS THE STA THIS IS THE STATUTE WE WERE FOLLOWING.
YOU SEE HERE, YOU HAVE TO CREATE A COMMISSION.
AND THIS DOESN'T SAY IT, BUT IN THE STATUTE IT REACHED SHALL, IT DOESN'T SAY YOU CAN OR YOU COULD, IT SAYS CHOW.
UH, SO SIX MEMBERS, THREE FROM THE COUNTY, UH, THREE FROM THE MUNICIPALITIES.
AND THEY'RE APPOINTED USING APPOINTED INDEX, WHICH IS BASICALLY A FORMULA.
UM, GO TO THE, WELL HERE IT IS RIGHT HERE.
THE INDEX IS A FUNCTION OF THE CITY'S POPULATION RELATIVE TO THE TOTAL POPULATION OF ALL THE COUNTY.
SO, UM, THE REASON HILTON HIT GOT A REPRESENTATION IS THEY'VE GOT 40,000, UM, OUT OF, IT'S REALLY OUT OF THE MUNICIPALITY POPULATION.
WE HAVE 90,000 PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN UNINCORPORATED AND 90,000 PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN INCORPORATED CITIES.
SO ONE BASICALLY 40,000 IS ONE THIRD.
UM, SO THEY MET THE THRESHOLD FOR A FULL APPOINTED INDEX.
UM, THEN THIS IS THE CHARGE INSIDE OF CAPITAL PROJECT SALES TAX.
SO YOU, YOU CONSIDER, UM, PROPOSALS, UM, THEN YOU FORMULATE THE PROJECTS AND THE VALID QUESTION, AND THEN IT GOES ON THE NEXT YEAR.
THIS IS WHAT CAPITAL PROJECT SALES TAX CAN BE USED ON.
SO IT CAN BE USED ON ROADS, STREETS, AND EVEN PUBLIC PARKING GARAGES.
A LOT OF COUNTIES, UM, IN THE PAST HAVE USED CAPITAL PROJECTS AND ONLY DONE ROADS.
I KNOW HORRY COUNTY DOES THAT.
UM, AND UM, ROCK HILL, NOT ROCK HILL, YORK, YORK COUNTY, YORK COUNTY STARTED THIS.
SO THIS GUY IN 97, I DON'T KNOW IF
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IT WAS 97 THEY STARTED, BUT THEY STARTED AS SOON AS IT WAS APPROVED.AND THEY HAVE DONE IT OVER AND OVER.
UM, I THINK THE NEXT SLIDE PROBABLY SAYS EIGHT YEARS.
SO THE LAST ONE DOESN'T ROLL OFF.
YOU CAN SET IT AS SLOW AS I THINK IT HAS TO BE IN TWO YEAR INCREMENTS, UH, AS TWO YEARS OR UP TO EIGHT YEARS.
BUT IF EIGHT YEARS YOU'VE EITHER COLLECTED THE AMOUNT YOU SAID YOU WERE GOING TO COLLECT OR THE TIME PERIOD OF EIGHT YEARS HAS LAPSED AND IT ROLLS OFF, IT DOESN'T HAVE TO HAVE A PETITION OR ANYTHING ELSE.
UM, AND GO BACK UP TO THE, TO THE USES.
SO THE OTHER USES, YOU SEE, UM, COURTHOUSES, ADMINISTRATIVE BUILDINGS, HOSPITALS, SO WHOLE BUNCH OF GOVERNMENTAL TYPE USES.
UH, CULTURAL, RECREATIONAL WATER AND SEWER.
SO YOU CAN'T NECESSARILY DO, UM, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS, BUT YOU CAN DO THE WATER AND SEWER THAT LEAD TO IT, OR YOU CAN PARTNER WITH B FOR JASPER IF THEY SAY, HEY, COULD YOU DO THIS PROJECT THAT'S VIABLE? UH, FLOOD CONTROL.
SO YOU CAN DO STORMWATER TYPE FACILITIES, UM, AND BEACH ACCESS.
SO ANYTHING THAT'S SIMILAR TO THE BEACH OR UM, BOAT LANDINGS, ANYTHING LIKE THAT ON THE MARINE, UH, RENOURISHMENT PROJECTS TO THE BEACH.
SO IF YOUR BEACH IS ERODING AND YOU WANT TO, EVERY SO OFTEN YOU HAVE RENOURISHMENT PROJECT THAT IS ALLOWABLE.
SO, SO WE'VE HAD A LOT OF, UM, LANDINGS AND, AND REDONE IN THE COUNTY.
ONE OF THEM IS NEAR WHERE I LIVE, THAT'S WHY I KNOW THAT.
UH, CAPITAL PROJECT SALES TAX.
WE JUST TOOK THAT OUT OF THE BUDGET OF OUR COUNTY.
IS THAT RIGHT OR HOW DID THAT, UM, UH, THAT WAS BEFORE I WAS HERE, SO I DON'T KNOW EXACT FUNDING.
SO I WANNA SAY THERE WAS A AND H TAX.
A AND H ACCOMMODATIONS AND HOSPITALITY ATTACKS.
YEAH, THAT IS BASICALLY HOSPITALITY.
UH, ACCOMMODATIONS IS, IS HOTELS.
SO, UM, IF YOUR COMMUNITY HAS THAT, THEN THEY CAN PUT THAT BACK TOWARDS TOURISM RELATED FACILITIES OF WHICH, AND ALSO BEACH ACCESS AND MM-HMM.
SO JUST IN THAT CASE IN POINT, WE HAVE 27 BOAT LANDINGS.
THAT BOAT LANDING COSTS ABOUT $2 MILLION TO UPGRADE.
SO IF WE WANTED TO UPGRADE ALL OF OUR BOAT LANDINGS TO LOOK LIKE WHITEHALL, RIGHT? THERE IS $50 MILLION SPENT NOW THAT CAN BE DONE INSIDE OF THIS.
UM, BUT THAT'S, WE JUST, THAT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT WE JUGGLE AT THE, AT THE COUNTY LEVEL, HOW DO WE FUND AND REPAIR AND MAINTAIN.
UM, ANY QUESTIONS ON THE USE? THIS ONE IS A PRETTY WIDE GAMUT.
SO, AND LIKE I SAID, SOME COUNTIES HAVE JUST STRICTLY DONE ROADS, UM, AND HAVEN'T EVEN BOTHERED WITH ANY OF THIS, BUT JUST STAY WITH CAPITAL PROJECT IN LIEU OF TRANSPORTATION, WHICH WE'LL TALK ABOUT LATER.
AND, AND AS WE RECALL, LOOKING AT ALL THE DIFFERENT COUNTIES, YORK WAS SUPER SUCCESSFUL.
ONE AFTER THE OTHER, AFTER THE CLICK, CLICK, CLICK, CLICK, CLICK.
WE'VE NOT BEEN SUCCESSFUL THAT WAY.
SO YORK HAS DONE, I THINK FOUR, I MEAN MAYBE THEY'RE ON THEIR FIVE, THEY'RE ABOUT TO FINISH FOUR, THEY'RE ON THEIR FIFTH.
THEY'RE ON THEIR FIFTH PENNY RIGHT NOW.
SO THEY HAVE, THEY'RE THE GOLD STANDARD AS FAR AS CAPITAL PRIDE AND SALES TAX THROUGHOUT THE STATE BECAUSE THEY HAVE BEEN SO SUCCESSFUL.
UM, AND I WANNA GO UP AND TALK TO THEM.
WE, HOW DID YOU, HOW DID YOU DO THAT? WHAT, WHAT IS IT THAT YOUR, YOUR, YOUR RESIDENT SEAT THAT YOU'RE DOING THAT THEY LIKE, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT THOSE SAFETY THINGS AND ALL THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY AND GET THE CONES UP, PEOPLE ARE SEEING THAT ALL THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY.
UM, THEY'RE SAYING, THIS IS THE PROJECT LISTS THAT I'M DOING, UM, AND THIS IS THE COST OF THE PROJECTS AND THEY'RE GETTING THE PROJECTS DONE.
NOW, THERE MIGHT BE HICCUPS WITH THE PROJECTS ALONG THE WAY, BUT THEY GET ENOUGH OF THE PROJECTS DONE WHERE PEOPLE SEE THAT, HEY, THIS ROAD GOT IMPROVED AND I CAN APPRECIATE THAT.
SO THEN THEY PUT ANOTHER LIST OF PROJECTS AND THEY'VE GOT ANOTHER FOUR TO EIGHT ROADS THAT THEY'RE GONNA DO.
AND HERE'S, AND YOU CAN SEE IT GROW OVER TIME.
AT FIRST IT WAS A HUNDRED MILLION DOLLARS WORTH OF PROJECTS.
NOW IT'S $300 MILLION WORTH OF PROJECTS BASED OFF HOW VALUABLE THEIR PENNY IS.
UM, BUT WE CAN GET SOME MORE INPUT AND, AND IF YOU WANT TO HEAR SOMETHING, I CAN REACH OUT TO YORK COUNTY FOR SURE.
AND, AND IF TAXPAYERS ARE GONNA ASK, WELL, WHY WOULD WE DO THAT IF WE VOTED ON THIS AND WE SAID WE WERE GONNA DO THESE THINGS AND THEY DIDN'T GET DONE.
WHAT IS, WHAT IS THE RESPONSE OF THE COUNTY? LIKE WHAT'S THE INTELLIGIBLE RESPONSE? HEY, THE PRICES WENT UP, COVID CAME, I MEAN IT'S YEAH, SOME OF THAT.
SO CURRENTLY IN 2018 WE HAD A FOUR YEAR PENNY, UM, FOR $120 MILLION.
ONE WE UNDER PREDICTED HOW MUCH WE WOULD COLLECT MM-HMM.
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RATHER BE ON THAT SIDE ON THE HIGH SIDE THAN THE LOW SIDE.I DON'T THINK IT WAS RELAYED AT A TIME, EVEN OF THE 2018 VOTE, THAT MOST OF THOSE PROJECTS WERE NOT GOING BE COMPLETE IN FOUR YEARS.
SO LET ALONE IN TWO AND A HALF YEARS.
SO THE KEY TAKEAWAY FOR EVERYBODY TO SAY IS THE IMPLEMENTATION TIME IS DIFFERENT, IS NOT NECESSARILY THE SAME AS THE COLLECTION TIME.
AND I WOULD RATHER THE COLLECTION BE FASTER THAN THE IMPLEMENTATION ALL DAY LONG BECAUSE, UM, A SMALLER COUNTY ACROSS THE STREET, JASPER COUNTY, THEIRS IS $30 MILLION OVER 10 YEARS.
IT TOOK 'EM ABOUT SEVEN AND A HALF YEARS TO COLLECT IT.
BUT $30 MILLION IS COLLECTED IN SIX MONTHS HERE.
SO, UM, IF THEY HAVE A PROJECT, A BIG PROJECT THAT COSTS $20 MILLION AND IT TAKES THEM EIGHT YEARS TO DEVELOP, WELL IT WAS WITHIN THE 10 YEARS THAT THEY HAVE.
WELL, IF WE HAVE A A 30 MILLION, A $20 MILLION PROJECT AND IT TAKES EIGHT YEARS TO DEVELOP, WE COLLECTED THAT IN SIX MONTHS.
SO WE'RE NEVER GOING INTO OUR, OUR OPINION IS SO POWERFUL AND I'LL TALK ABOUT THAT SOME MORE.
UM, THAT'S, THAT'S THE TAKEAWAY IS IF, IF, UM, YOU DON'T HAVE STUFF DONE, IT'S JUST 'CAUSE MAJOR INFRASTRUCTURE TAKES A REALLY LONG TIME TO DEVELOP.
AND THE GOOD THING IS WE'RE GETTING STARTED ON THE LIST THAT Y'ALL CREATED LAST YEAR.
SO IF A PROPOSAL WENT FOR 24, WE'RE TWO YEARS INTO THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS.
ANYTHING ELSE ON CAPITAL? WHAT'S UM, WE HAVE ONE PENNY.
IS THAT THE MAXIMUM THAT CAN BE ADDED OR DO THEY GET, DO DO ESSENTIALLY, DOES THE REFERENDUM SAY ONE PENNY, TWO PENNY OR TWO? SO EACH STATUTE ALLOWS UP TO ONE PENNY, BUT YOU CAN HAVE UP TO THREE PENNIES OF SEPARATE STATUTES AT ONE TIME.
CURRENTLY WE HAVE ONE PENNY, WHICH IS THE GREEN SPACE.
UM, AND THAT IS TO GET A HUNDRED MILLION DOLLARS OR 24 MONTHS, WHICHEVER ONE COMES FASTER, NOT 24 MONTHS, THE END OF 2024.
UM, WE'VE GOT SOME INITIAL NUMBERS WE'VE BEEN COLLECTING NOW SINCE MAY.
UM, I THINK WE'RE GOING TO COLLECT IT FASTER THAN THE END OF 2024.
AND DOES THAT MEAN THEN WHAT WE ARE GOING TO BE RECOMMENDING, WE CAN RECOMMEND UP TO THREE SINCE THAT ONE WILL BE DONE.
IT'S JUST A MATTER OF WHEN THEY WOULD START.
REGARDLESS, WHATEVER GETS VOTED ON IN A NOVEMBER REFERENDUM WOULD NOT START UNTIL THE FOLLOWING MAY 1ST.
AT THE EARLIEST, I THINK THERE'S ONE OR TWO THAT STARTS LIKE JUNE 1ST.
UM, BUT IT GETS VOTED ON IN NOVEMBER AND THEN BASICALLY THE COUNTY AND THE D O R MAKE SURE ALL THE COMMERCIAL RETAIL KNOW AND THEN THEY START COLLECTING ON MAY 1ST FOR THE MOST PART.
UM, SO YEAH, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, THAT'S THE REASON COUNTY COUNCIL SET IT UP IS THEY SAID YES FOR TWO YEARS AND THEN HOPEFULLY BY THAT TIME THEY'VE COLLECTED A LARGE SUM OF MONEY FOR GREEN SPACE AND THEN THEY HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO ANY OF THE EIGHT SALES TAXES AVAILABLE.
LOCAL PROPERTY TAX CREDIT, UM, 19 OR THIS DOESN'T TELL WHEN THIS WAS IN THE NINE OR 2006, UH, SCROLL DOWN.
UM, SO THIS IS BASICALLY A ROLLBACK FOR PROPERTY TAXES SPECIFICALLY.
SO SALES TAX IS PAYING BACK ROCKY TAX MILLAGE.
UM, I DON'T KNOW, IN LOOKING AT THE COUNTIES THAT ANY COUNTY HAS THIS, UM, LISTED, SO IT CAN BE ANY PERCENTAGE, ONE 10TH TO 10 TENTHS OF A PENNY, UM, NOT TO EXCEED ONE PENNY AND IT GOES AGAINST THE CREDIT GOES AGAINST THE COUNTY OR IT CAN GO OR SCHOOL DISTRICT OR BOTH.
SO, UM, SCHOOL DISTRICT HAS THEIR OWN MILLAGE SET UP.
SO THE REASON I THINK THAT STATUTE'S IN THERE, BECAUSE THERE IS A SCHOOL DISTRICT SALES TAX THAT ONLY GOES AGAINST SCHOOL DISTRICT MILLAGE, THIS ONE CAN GO OVER, UM, COUNTY MILLAGE OR SCHOOL MILLAGE.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S THE DIFFERENCE.
AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW THAT ANY COUNTIES HAVE THIS GOING ON.
IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT GONNA GET US WHERE WE NEED TO BE.
TAXES AND OR IT REPLACES TAXES.
PROPERTY TAX WITH SALES TAX FOR BEAUFORT COUNTY IS A GOOD THING BECAUSE SALES TAXES PAID BY A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE OF OUT-OF-TOWNERS.
BUT IF WE COULD ONLY HAVE THREE PENNIES, WE'RE NOT GONNA USE THAT ONE BECAUSE THAT'S NOT GONNA PUT ANYTHING NEW ON OUR ROADS OR OUR BUILDINGS THAT DOESN'T DEVELOP ANY INFRASTRUCTURE.
THE, THE WAY INFRASTRUCTURE WOULD GET CONSTRUCTED AT THAT POINT IS COUNTY WOULD HAVE TO ISSUE MILLAGE, DEBT MILLAGE TO BUILD SOMETHING WHICH WOULD OFFSET THE REDUCTION YOU JUST CREATED.
IT JUST DEPENDS ON WHAT YOUR GOAL IS IN PASSING THE SALES TAX.
THOSE THREE DIFFERENT SALES TAX YOU MAY HAVE DIFFERENT GOALS, MAY ALL FOR PROJECTS AND ROADS OR MAY BE REDUCED PROPERTY TAX.
IT'S WHERE YOU GUYS DECIDE TO RECOMMEND.
WELL THERE NEEDS TO BE A DISCUSSION ON DO WE DO THREE?
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YEAH.UM, KEEP GOING, JUST KEEP GOING TO THE NEXT ONE, WHICH IS PERSONAL.
SO THIS ONE IS THE SAME, UM, EXCEPT IT GOES ON PERSONAL PROPERTY TAX.
SO ROLLED DOWN, SO THIS IS VEHICLES, BOATS, RVS, PERSONAL PROPERTY AVIATION AIRCRAFT BOATS.
UM, THE KEY KICKER HERE IS 2%.
UM, SO THE LESSER OF 2% ARE THE AMOUNT REPLACED.
THE PROPERTY TAX THAT IS, OR THE, THE VALUE THAT IS RAISED BY THE PROPERTY TAX ON YOUR BILL.
SO YOU'VE GOT MILLAGE, UM, AND YOU'RE GOING TO PAY PROPERTY TAX ON YOUR HOUSE AND YOU'RE GONNA PAY PROPERTY TAX ON YOUR, YOUR CAR AND YOUR BOAT.
THAT IS COLLECTING A LOT LESS MONEY FOR THE COUNTY THAN THE HOUSE AND THE REAL ESTATE IS.
SO THIS IS BASICALLY SAYING YOU CAN EITHER DO 2% OF YOUR BUDGET THAT THIS PENNY CAN GO TOWARDS OR THE AMOUNT THAT THE TOTAL PERSONAL PROPERTY TAX BRINGS TO YOUR BUDGET.
SO WHICHEVER ONE'S LESS BUT NOT GREATER THAN 2%.
SO AGAIN, THIS IS ROLLING BACK TAXES, BUT SPECIFIC TO PERSONAL PROPERTY TAXES.
SO ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT ONE? ALRIGHT, THIS ONE JUST GO DOWN REAL QUICK.
UM, THIS IS A FEE, IT'S NOT CONSIDERED A TAX.
THAT'S, THAT'S FOR THE LAWYERS TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THE FEE WANTS.
BUT BASICALLY THIS IS, UM, YOU CAN SEE IT'S ONLY IF YOU HAVE $14 MILLION IN STATE ACCOMMODATIONS.
AND AT THE TIME OF THIS IN 2014, THE ONLY ONE THAT MET THIS WITH HORRY COUNTY.
AND WHAT THAT ALLOWS IS FIRST YOU GOTTA MEET THAT THRESHOLD AS A COUNTY.
THEN IF YOU MEET THAT THRESHOLD AS A COUNTY, THEN THE MUNICIPALITIES CAN ADOPT THIS FEE WITH A TWO THIRD VOTE BY THEIR COUNCIL.
AND BASICALLY IT GOES BACK TO TOURISM RELATED ADVERTISING.
UM, SO GUESS WHERE THE ONLY PLACE THIS IS DONE IN THE STATE? MYRTLE BEACH? MYRTLE BEACH.
MYRTLE BEACH IS ATTRACTING THAT OUT OF TOWN AND THEY WANT THE HEADS IN THE BED.
I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT'S THE SAME HERE.
I MEAN, WE HAVE VISITORS BUT THEY HAVE 15 MILLION VISITORS AND WE HAVE 3 MILLION VISITORS.
IT ALSO HAS TO BE IMPOSED BY A CITY.
IT CAN'T BE IMPOSED BY THE COUNTY.
SO I TOLD YOU THERE'S MORE BUCKETS FOR THE COUNTY, BUT HERE'S A BUCKET.
BUT YOU FIRST GOTTA MEET THE COUNTY THRESHOLD.
SO I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW THE OTHER CITIES IN RY COUNTY, UM, BUT THEY COULD IMPOSE IT SHOULD THEY CHOOSE TO.
BUT IT CAN BE DONE BY BY ORDINANCE Y YEAH.
ORDINANCE, UM, WITH A TWO THIRD SUPER MAJORITY OF YOUR COUNCIL OR VIA REFERENDUM.
UM, BUT AGAIN, IT'S A MUNICIPALITY, NO REFERENDUM ON THAT.
SO WE MAY MEET THAT THRESHOLD.
I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH OUR STATE ACCOMMODATIONS, TAXES, UM, THAT WE COLLECT.
I DON'T, I KNOW WHAT WE GET BACK IS NOT THAT MUCH.
I'D BE SURPRISED IF THE COUNTY AS A WHOLE COLLECTS THAT MUCH.
YEAH, I I DOUBT IT'S PROBABLY THAT'S ONE OF, THAT'S ONE OF THOSE PARTICULAR PIECES OF LEGISLATION PUT TOGETHER, UH, PARTICULAR GROUP OF LEGISLATORS TO ACCOMMODATE ONE COUNTY.
BUT REALLY IT WAS WRITTEN FOR ONE.
ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT ONE? NEXT ONE.
UH, ALL RIGHT, TRANSPORTATION.
SO THIS IS, FOR SOME REASON THEY STUCK THIS IN A DIFFERENT CHAPTER.
I HAVE NO REASON WHY EVERYTHING ELSE HAS BEEN TITLE FOUR.
UM, CHAPTER 10, THIS IS IN CHAPTER 37.
THIS IS THE ONE THAT, UM, BEAUFORT COUNTY HAS HAD MOST SUCCESS WITH.
UM, AGAIN, CAPITAL PROJECTS CAN BE THIS, BUT CAPITAL PROJECTS, WHAT HAPPENS OFTENTIMES ON CAPITAL PROJECTS, UNLESS YOU HAVE A STRONG COMMITTEE, EVERYBODY PUTS IN THEIR WISHLIST.
AND WE HAVE GONE OUT PREVIOUSLY FOR CAPITAL PROJECTS THAT HAVE FAILED BECAUSE IT STARTED OUT WITH A GOOD IDEA AND THEN EVERYBODY STARTED ADDING ON AND THEN IT GOT WATERED DOWN AND NOBODY LIKED IT ON TRANSPORTATION.
UM, AND A COUPLE OTHER USES WITHIN ROADS, BUT BASICALLY 1%, UM, THE BIGGEST DIFFERENCE ON THIS CAPITAL PROJECTS WAS WAS EIGHT YEARS.
TRANSPORTATION HAS A LIFESPAN UP TO 25 YEARS AS A MAX.
SO ANYWHERE FROM ONE YEAR TO 25 YEARS.
UM, CHARLESTON COUNTY IS REPRESENTED.
UM, THEY HAVE DONE A 25 YEAR PENNY.
UM, AND A COUPLE OTHER COUNTIES ACROSS THE STATE HAVE EITHER DONE 25 OR 22.
UM, NOT EVERYBODY, BUT, SO WHAT WE HAVE DONE, UM, I WON'T SPOIL THIS 'CAUSE I GOT A QUESTION FOR LATER.
I'M GONNA SAVE MY, YEAH, I'M GONNA SAVE MY
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STATEMENT, BUT WE'LL COME BACK TO TRANSPORTATION A LOT.UM, THIS IS, THIS IS WHAT IT'S ALLOWED FOR.
UM, SO HIGHWAYS, ROADS, STREETS, BRIDGES, MASS TRANSIT, UM, GREEN BELTS AND OTHER RELATED TRANSPORTATION.
SO LAST YEAR'S RECOMMENDATION, WE HAD A SEGMENT IN THERE FOR GREEN BELTS.
SO THAT IS VERY SIMILAR TO RURAL AND CRITICAL PROGRAM.
UM, THERE'S NOT A LOT OF DEFINITION AROUND THAT BESIDES GREEN BELTS.
SO CHARLESTON COUNTY, AGAIN HAS USED TRANSPORTATION SALES TAX AND THEY HAVE USED GREENBELTS.
UM, THEY ALSO, UM, USE MASS TRANSIT, WHICH WE HAD A PLUG IN THERE LAST YEAR FOR MASS TRANSIT.
AND THEY, THEY HAVE A BIGGER MASS TRANSIT SYSTEM THAN WE DO.
AND SO THEY HAD A FUNDING GOOD TOWARDS THAT.
UM, YOU DON'T HAVE TO HAVE A COMMISSION, BUT IF YOU DO, YOU GOTTA FOLLOW SOME CERTAIN RULES.
NEXT 25 YEARS WE ALREADY HIT, UM, AND I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS TRUE WITH ALL OF 'EM, BUT DEFINITELY WITH TRANSPORTATION, IF YOU WANT TO, YOU CAN ISSUE GEO BOND DEBT AS A REVENUE BOND BASICALLY AND USE THE SALES TAX TO PAY BACK THE REVENUE BOND.
UM, SO IT'S ISSUED AS GEO DEBT, GEO DEBT, GENERAL OBLIGATION DEBT, BUT IT'S TECHNICALLY A REVENUE BOND.
AND, BUT YOU HAVE TO DECIDE UP FRONT BECAUSE THE BOND LANGUAGE HAS TO GO IN THE REFERENDUM.
SO IF YOU SAY WE'RE GOING FOR 10 YEARS AND $700 MILLION, YOU CAN ALSO PUT IN A QUESTION THAT SAYS WE INTEND TO BOND FOR $700 MILLION.
WHAT IT, WHAT IT REALLY DOES IS GIVE THE COUNTY THE FLEXIBILITY SHOULD THEY CHOOSE TO.
SO IF YOU'VE GOT A $300 MILLION BRIDGE PROJECT LIKE WE HAVE AND THAT WAS THE ONLY FUNDING SOURCE THAT YOU HAD AND YOU NEEDED TO ISSUE A CONTRACT FOR CONSTRUCTION, YOU MIGHT ONLY HAVE $200 MILLION IN THE BANK.
THAT'S WHERE THAT QUESTION IS CRITICAL.
SO YOU'VE GOT THAT PERMISSION BUT YOU DON'T HAVE TO USE IT.
NOW YOU COULD SAY WE'RE GONNA BOND $350 MILLION 'CAUSE WE KNOW WE'VE GOT $300 MILLION PROJECT.
JUST GIVE US ENOUGH FOR THAT AND WE'LL COLLECT THE REST FOR ALL THE OTHER PROJECTS AS WE GO.
I THINK IT'S IN A WISE DECISION TO INCLUDE THAT IN YOUR REFERENDUM AS AN ADDITIONAL STATEMENT.
I DON'T KNOW THAT IN PRACTICALITY THAT IT WILL GET USED THAT MUCH BECAUSE OF HOW STRONG AND TASKED OUR PENNY DEVELOPED.
I JUST SAID IT TAKES A LONG TIME FOR US TO DEVELOP A PROJECT, EIGHT YEARS ON A MAJOR INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECT.
UH, EIGHT YEARS OF COLLECTING AT OUR RATE.
WE HAVE MORE MONEY THAN WE CAN SPEND.
I THINK IT WAS, WHICH IS A GOOD THING I THINK IN THE GREEN SPACE QUESTION.
SO IT'S IN A LOT OF THE STATUTES, IF NOT ALL OF THEM.
AND MOST OF THE TIME YOU SEE MOST COUNTIES PUT 'EM TOGETHER.
AND IS THAT IT? KEEP GOING, KEEP GOING.
SO WE'RE GONNA SKIP ACCOMMODATIONS AND HOSPITALITY.
AND THEN, SO THERE'S THREE MORE THAT I DIDN'T COVER BUT I'LL COVER QUICKLY.
UM, IS THE, THERE'S TWO SCHOOL TAXES.
SO ONE IS THE EDUCATION CAPITAL AND ONE IS THE SCHOOL DISTRICT.
UH, EDUCATION CAPITAL IS A 15 YEAR PROGRAM, SAME ONE PENNY.
UM, WHAT IT IS IS PAID FOR FOR CAPITAL PROJECT.
SO BUILDINGS, UM, UPGRADES, RENOVATIONS TO EXISTING BUILDINGS, LAND DIFFERENT, ANYTHING TO SUPPORT THE CONSTRUCTION OF NEW SCHOOLS BASICALLY, OR EXISTING SCHOOLS.
UM, THE INTERESTING THING ABOUT EDUCATION CAPITAL DIFFERENT THAN SOME OF THE OTHERS IS YOU CAN PAY BACK EXISTING DEBT.
SO IF THE SCHOOL DISTRICT HAS DEBT ON THEIR BOOKS THAT WAS USED TO BUILD AND CONSTRUCT SCHOOLS, THAT WOULD'VE BEEN AN ALLOWABLE EXPENSE.
YOU CAN RETROACTIVELY PAY OFF DEBT WITH THE EDUCATION CAPITAL.
UM, AND WE'LL COME BACK THAT IDEA LATER.
THE SCHOOL DISTRICT SALES TAX, AGAIN, ONE PENNY.
UM, BUT AS I UNDERSTAND IT, AND I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT CHAPTER IN VERSE 'CAUSE IT'S NOT IN THE SAME TITLE FOUR, UM, AS THE REST OF THESE, BUT SCHOOL DISTRICT SALES TAX IS BASICALLY A ROLLBACK TO OFFSET THE MILLAGE ASSOCIATED WITH SCHOOL OPERATING.
SO THE SCHOOL HAS TWO MILLAGES THAT THEY ASSIST.
ONE FOR OPERATING, ONE FOR DEBT, SIX PERCENTERS AND FOUR PERCENTERS, EXCUSE ME, ONLY SIX PERCENTERS PAY SCHOOL OPERATING.
SO IF YOU OWN YOUR HOUSE AND YOU HAVE THE 4% EXEMPTION, YOU DON'T PAY THAT OPERATING MILLAGE.
ALL THE RETAIL AND, AND THE OUT OF TOWNS PAY THAT SECOND HOMEOWNERS DUE SCHOOL DEBT IS PAID BY EVERYONE.
FOUR PERCENTERS AND SIX PERCENTERS.
SO THAT'S JUST A KEY DIFFERENCE.
SO THAT SCHOOL DISTRICT SALES TAX, UM, SOMETIMES YOU'LL SEE THAT IN SMALLER COUNTIES AS WELL BECAUSE AGAIN, UM, THE ONLY BURDEN THAT THE ONLY WAY THEY HAVE TO PAY FOR SCHOOL DISTRICT IS PROPERTY TAX.
SO IF THEY'RE JACKING UP PROPERTY TAX, THEY CAN USE
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UM, 1 CENT SALES TAX TO ROLL BACK THAT PROPERTY TAX AND KIND OF GET THAT UNDER CONTROL A LITTLE BIT.MAYBE IT'S THE SAME PERSON PAYING IT, I DON'T KNOW.
BUT THAT'S, YOU DON'T SEE THAT A LOT, UH, BUT YOU SEE IT'S SOMETHING.
UH, AND THEN LASTLY IS GREEN SPACE.
SO GREEN SPACE IS THE NEWEST ONE.
IT GOT COMMISSIONED LAST YEAR AS WE'RE ALL AWARE.
UM, THE, THE INTERESTING THING WITH GREEN SPACE IS, IS THE USES OF GREEN SPACE.
UM, SO WE ARE JUST IN, WE STARTED A COMMISSION, UM, TO START GOING THROUGH APPLICATIONS THAT WE HAVE.
BUT GREEN SPACE, IF YOU'RE NOT FAMILIAR WITH IT, UM, IT'S UP TO SEVEN YEARS AS THE MAXIMUM COUNTY COUNCIL CHOSE TWO YEARS.
UM, AND THEN THE USES FOR GREEN SPACES FOR ACQUISITION OF PROPERTY IS ALL INTENDED FOR THE CONSERVATION OF LAND AND BASICALLY TO TAKE LAND OUT OF DEVELOPMENT OPPORTUNITIES.
SO YOU CAN USE IT TO BUY PROPERTY STRAIGHT UP, YOU CAN USE IT TO BUY CONSERVATION EASEMENTS, YOU CAN USE IT TO BUY EXISTING DEVELOPMENT.
SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO BUY THE PROPERTY, BUT YOU CAN SAY, HEY YOU, YOU'RE ALLOWED TO BUY RIGHT TO BUILD A THOUSAND HOMES AND WE'RE GONNA PAY YOU X NUMBER OF DOLLARS.
SO IF THEY'RE GONNA SELL IT OFF, SOMEBODY'S GONNA SELL IT OFF.
UM, OPTIONS TO BUY LEASE WITH OPTIONS TO PURCHASE AND OTHER INTEREST IN REAL PROPERTY, BASICALLY, AGAIN, TRYING TO CONSERVE PROPERTY.
UM, SO IT DOESN'T GET DEVELOPED INTO A HARDER, MORE DENSER USE IS THE INTENT.
UM, AND IT HAS A COMMITTEE TOO MADE OF SEVEN PEOPLE, A DIFFERENT, UM, DIFFERENT FOLKS.
ONE FROM COUNTY COUNCIL, ONE FROM LEGISLATIVE DELEGATION, ONE WHO'S AN EXPERT IN GEOGRAPHY, WHICH IS AN INTERESTING THING.
UM, AND THEN ONE FROM NORTHERN OF THE COUNTY, SOUTHERN PART OF THE COUNTY, EASTERN PART OF THE COUNTY AND WESTERN PART OF THE COUNTY.
UM, WE HAD TO DRAW SOME LINES ON MAP AND KIND OF DEVELOP OUR NORTHWEST EAST, UH, QUADRANTS.
ANY QUESTIONS ON GREEN SPACE? I KNOW THAT'S COVERED A LOT OF GROUND.
SO COUNTY COUNCIL SAID HERE'S A BALL OF WAX.
THESE ARE THE EIGHT SALES TAX THAT ARE AVAILABLE.
Y'ALL COME BACK TO US, UH, COMMITTEE COME BACK TO COUNCIL AND TELL US WHAT SALES TAX THEY SHOULD CONSIDER AND WHAT PROJECTS SHOULD BE ON THAT SALES TAX.
SO ANY QUESTIONS WITH THE OPPORTUNITIES THAT ARE AVAILABLE, WE'LL COVER A LOT.
I'M SURE WHAT'LL HAPPEN AS WE GO FORWARD IS AS WE TALK ABOUT PARTICULAR APPROACH, THE DETAILS OF THAT WILL BE COMING BACK TO THESE DEFINITIONS, UH, AS WE TRY TO UNDERSTAND AND EXPLORE THE DETAILS.
SO THAT IS ALL THE ITEMS NUMBER, UM, SEVEN AND EIGHT ON THE AGENDA.
AND IF YOU'RE READY I CAN GO INTO NUMBER NINE.
I APOLOGIZE I HAVE TO LEAVE IN ABOUT 10 MINUTES, BUT OKAY.
SO I DID NOT SEND THIS OUT BECAUSE I WANT YOU GUYS TO HEAR THIS AND I'LL TRY TO GET TO THE MEAT AND POTATOES IN THE NEXT 10 MINUTES.
IT WILL TAKE ME A LITTLE WHILE TO GET THROUGH, BUT I CAN HAVE A SEPARATE CONVERSATION WITH YOU.
I CAN SIT DOWN AND DEFINITELY GO THROUGH IT.
SO THIS IS, UH, LAST YEAR, UM, THE COMMITTEE MET, CAME UP WITH A RECOMMENDATION, UH, AND THEN WAS COUNCIL WAS PRESENTED WITH THE OTHER SALES TAX GREEN SPACE AND THEN ELECTED TO GO WITH GREEN SPACE.
BUT THEY SAID NO FOR NOW BUT NOT FOREVER.
AND THEY PROVIDED THE INVESTMENT FUNDS TO GET STARTED FOR A PERIOD OF TIME.
I'M NOT GONNA LIE, I WAS A LITTLE AGGRAVATED.
UM, THAT'S PROBABLY THE NICEST WORD.
UH, 'CAUSE WE HAD SPENT ALL THIS TIME EFFORT AND I THOUGHT WE HAD SUCH A GREAT PRODUCT.
UM, AND WE STILL HAVE GOOD PRODUCT, BUT IT DIDN'T MOVE FORWARD.
YOU WERE HIJACKED, WE
SO, UH, ANYHOW, UM, AFTER A MONTH OR SO I SAID, YOU KNOW WHAT, THIS IS NO SENSE OF SOUR GRATES.
SO SAY, OKAY, WELL WHAT IF THIS AS AN OPPORTUNITY? WHAT, WHAT IF THIS GIVES US TIME TO THINK FULLY? WE SAID 10 YEARS AND 700 MILLION, BUT WHAT ABOUT IF WE REALLY POUR, POUR SOME MORE BRAIN CELLS TO THIS IDEA? SO THIS IS WHAT THIS GAVE AND WE GAVE THIS INITIAL PRESENTATION TO COUNTY COUNCIL AT OUR RETREAT IN FEBRUARY OF THIS YEAR, THIS YEAR.
UM, AND, AND CAME UP WITH AN IDEA, AND THIS IS WHAT YOU'VE HEARD WITH THE SUPER PENNY.
SO SINCE THIS IS 2020, UM, THE CENSUS, WE WERE 11TH, FASTEST GROWING STATE IN THE NATION.
AND BEAUFORT COUNTY IS THE SEVENTH FASTEST GROWING
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COUNTY OUT OF THE 46 COUNTIES IN THE 11TH, FASTEST GROWING STATE.AND SINCE OVER THE LAST 10 YEARS, WE HAVE GROWN BY 15%.
UM, AND THEN BEAUFORT COUNTY IS CURRENTLY THE 10TH MOST POPULATED COUNTY IN THE STATE.
AGAIN, THIS WAS THE CENSUS NUMBERS OF 187, SO IT'S PROBABLY A LITTLE BIT HIGHER THAN THAT NOW.
BUT LO AND BEHOLD, OUR STATE IS GROWING.
OUR COUNTY IS GROWING AND OUR COMMUNITY IS GROWING.
THERE IS NOTHING THAT WE CAN DO AT THE LOCAL LEVEL TO STOP THE GROWTH.
I TALK ABOUT THIS ALL THE TIME WHEN I TALK TO FOLKS IS, WELL, I'M TIRED OF THE TRAFFIC.
IT'S LIKE, WELL YOU CAN'T JUST TELL PEOPLE TO STOP COMING.
YOU CAME HERE, MORE PEOPLE ARE COMING.
THIS IS A MACRO ECONOMIC SHIFT THAT WE'RE SEEING.
WE'RE SEEING THE NORTHEAST MIGRATE TO THE SOUTHEAST.
WE'RE SEEING THE SAME THING IN TEXAS AND ARIZONA AND MIGRATION FROM CALIFORNIA.
ALL IT IS JUST SOMETHING THAT'S BIGGER THAN US AND THE GROWTH IS HERE.
OUR OPPORTUNITY IS, ARE WE GOING TO USE THAT GROWTH AND USE IT TO OUR ADVANTAGE? ARE WE GONNA JUST STICK OUR HEADS IN THE SAND AND JUST GET PLOWED OVER BY THE GROWTH? THAT'S THE QUESTION.
SO THIS IS THE FACTS THAT WE HAVE.
WE CAN'T CONTROL IT BECAUSE WE, WE CAN JUST CONTROL HOW WE REACT TO IT.
SO WE SAID, WHAT ABOUT IF WE COME UP WITH A LONG-TERM VISION? SO, UM, 25 YEARS, SO WE'RE ABOUT TO BE AT 2025.
WHAT I THINK WE'RE REALLY TALKING ABOUT IS WE ALL LOVE BEAUFORT COUNTY.
'CAUSE THE QUALITY OF LIFE THAT WE HAVE.
WHAT CAN WE DO TO PROTECT AND PRESERVE AND ENHANCE THAT QUALITY OF LIFE? WE HAVE A HUGE SENSE OF COMMUNITY AND WHAT CAN WE SHAPE AROUND THIS LONG-TERM PLAN? SO THESE ARE THE TYPICAL FUNDING SOURCES THAT WE HAVE TO FUND INFRASTRUCTURE AS A COUNTY GOVERNMENT.
GEO BONDS, THAT'S PROPERTY TAX.
IF WE ISSUE DEBT, IT'S PROBABLY GONNA BE 10 TO $30 MILLION, BUT THAT'S AS NEEDED.
AND ONE YEAR AT A TIME, NOT A REOCCURRING REVENUE BONDS IS IF WE HAVE A REVENUE GENERATING FACILITY, UM, LIKE AN AIRPORT AND IT PRODUCES ITS OWN REVENUE, THEN WE COULD ISSUE REVENUE BONDS, IT'S DEVELOPMENT IMPACT FEES.
UM, THOSE ARE FOR NEW GROWTH USER FEES.
SO THAT'S WHEN YOU GET YOUR LICENSE RENEW.
YOU PAY A USER FEE, UM, FOR, WE CALL IT TAG FUNDS.
UM, WE TALKED ABOUT ACCOMMODATIONS.
SO THIS IS HEADS AND BEDS AND PEOPLE AT RESTAURANTS.
THAT'S ABOUT HOW MUCH THE COUNTY COLLECTS, UM, BETWEEN LOCAL AND STATE, UH, MAYBE A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN THAT, AND THEN SPECIFIC GRANTS.
BUT ALL OF THESE ARE, ARE ONE-OFFS.
UM, OR IF THEY'RE REOCCURRING, THEY'RE, THEY'RE, THEY'RE NOT, UM, SUBSTANTIAL LIKE THIS IN THE COST OF INFRASTRUCTURE.
BUT THIS RIGHT HERE, AS OF 2020, THIS IS HOW MUCH ONE SINGLE PENNY IN BEAUFORT COUNTY COLLECTS IS $16 MILLION A YEAR.
SO AS YOU CAN SEE, IT'S THE BIGGEST TOOL IN THE TOOLBOX THAT WE HAVE.
AND PART OF THAT IS DUE TO OUR ECONOMY AND HOW WE'RE SET UP AS A TOURISM ECONOMY.
THAT'S NOT THE SAME IN EVERY COUNTY.
A LOT OF COUNTIES, INLAND AND SMALLER COUNTIES, THAT MAY NOT BE THE BIGGEST NUMBER.
BUT FOR US IN BEAUFORT COUNTY IT IS.
WHAT YOU SEE HERE IS A LOT OF COLORS.
MOST COUNTIES, 57%, 27 OF THE COUNTIES HAVE TWO SALES TAX PENNIES.
UM, UH, THE, BASICALLY A THIRD OF 'EM, 28% HAVE ONE.
AND WHAT YOU SEE AT THE BOTTOM, SO THE WHITE IS THE FOUR COUNTIES THAT HAVE ZERO.
SO GEORGETOWN, BEAUFORT COUNTY, OCONEE, AND GREENVILLE, IT'S CHANGED NOW ON THE MAP THAT YOU HAVE, BECAUSE WE JUST ELECTED GREEN SPACE, BUT THIS WAS AFTER OUR TRANSPORTATION HAD BEEN FULLY COLLECTED.
WE DIDN'T HAVE ANYTHING ELSE ON THE BOOKS.
AND WE WERE SITTING THERE WITH ZERO PENNIES COMING IN WHEN WE WERE COLLECTING $60 MILLION A YEAR WITH TRANSPORTATION.
ON THE FLIP SIDE, THERE'S THREE THAT HAVE THREE PENNIES, AND THAT IS HIT THE NEXT MYRTLE BEACH, CHARLESTON AND JASPER COUNTY.
AND WE SAID, WELL, THAT'S PRETTY INTERESTING BECAUSE WE HAVE SOMETHING VERY IN COMMON WITH CHARLESTON AND MYRTLE BEACH.
WE HAVE A VERY SIMILAR ECONOMY WITH TOURISM, AND WE'VE GOT AN ADJACENT NEIGHBOR IN JASPER COUNTY THAT HAS THREE PENNIES.
SO WE SAID, OKAY, WELL THAT'S, THAT'S GOOD.
WELL, WHAT WOULD THREE PENNIES LOOK LIKE FOR US? OR HOW DOES OUR PENNIES COMPARE WITH EVERYBODY ELSE ON THE MAP? SO OUR PENNIES, THIS IS 2020 NUMBERS, UM, WAS $57 MILLION.
REMEMBER, WE'RE THE 10TH LARGEST BY POPULATION.
SO WE'RE NOT THE HIGHEST, BUT OUR, OUR PENN IS THE FIFTH STRONGEST IN THE ENTIRE COUNTY OR ENTIRE STATE.
BUT ON A PER CAPITA, IF YOU LOOK PER POPULATION, OURS IS ACTUALLY THE SECOND HIGHEST ONLY BEHIND CHARLESTON.
SO THEIR PENNY IS COLLECTING $135 MILLION, UM, PER PENNY.
AND WHEN YOU DIVIDE THAT BY THEIR 350,000,
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IT'S, IT'S IN THE THREES.WHAT YOU SEE ALSO IS THE TOP THREE.
SO THE THREE ECONOMIES THAT ARE COASTAL ARE IN THIS BRACKET AROUND $300.
THE NEXT BRACKET IS, IS AT $200.
SO THESE THREE ECONOMIES ARE 33% HIGHER OR 50% HIGHER THAN THE REST OF THE STATE.
THE INTERESTING THING IS, BACK TO THE LAST MAP, CHARLESTON HAS THREE PENNIES.
SO THEY'RE COLLECTING 135 TIMES THREE.
THEY'RE COLLECTING $400 MILLION A YEAR TO INVEST IN THEIR COMMUNITY.
WHILE CURRENTLY WE ARE INVESTING ZERO.
SO WE SAID, OKAY, WELL WHAT IF WE TAKE A PAGE OUT OF CHARLESTON'S BOOK? WHAT IF WE JUST FOR INSTANCE, SAID WE DID DO THREE PAGES? WHAT WOULD THAT LOOK LIKE? SO NEXT SLIDE IS WE SAID, WELL, WHAT'S THE RIGHT MIX OF PENNIES? WE JUST WENT THROUGH ALL EIGHT DIFFERENT PENNIES THAT WE COULD DO.
THE ONES THAT COME TO MIND ARE OBVIOUSLY ROADS.
WE'VE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT THAT.
WE'VE GOT A LOT OF BUILDING NEEDS, WHETHER IT'S A FACILITY LIKE THIS OR WHETHER IT'S A RECREATION FACILITY, WHETHER IT'S BOAT LANDINGS, A LOT OF FACILITY NEEDS, AND WE NEED MORE SCHOOLS.
APPARENTLY WE NEED MORE SCHOOLS BECAUSE THEY'RE GOING OUT WITH THEIR OWN BOND REFERENDUM FOR SCHOOLS.
SO WE SAID, WHAT ABOUT IF WE PUT THESE TOGETHER AND WE CALL THIS A SUPER PAYMENT? SO WE'D GO TO THE MAX, NOT SAYING WE DO IT, BUT JUST GOING THROUGH THE PROCESS AND THE VISION.
WHAT IF WE HAVE A LONG-TERM 25 YEAR PLAN WITH THREE MAJOR PROJECTS? WHAT WOULD THIS LOOK LIKE AND WHAT WOULD THIS COLLECT? SO NEXT SLIDE.
SO THIS IS THE TYPE OF PROJECTS THAT YOU COULD START DOING IF YOU HAVE MAJOR INFRASTRUCTURE FUNDS.
SO THIS IS, GO BACK TO THE LAST ONE.
THIS IS A OVERLOOKING HAN LOOK OVERLOOKING THE GOOSE CREEK RESERVOIR.
SO THIS IS A RECREATION FACILITY.
SO THIS IS I BELIEVE, A, UM, REGIONAL JAIL.
SO THERE'S DEFINITELY NEEDED FOR JAIL FACILITY.
THIS IS A PERFORMING ART CENTER, FINE ART CENTER.
UM, CHARLESTON COUNTY HAS A FANTASTIC ONE.
I'M NOT SURE WHERE THIS ONE IS.
SO THIS, THIS IS A, A HIGH-RISE BUILDING.
NOT TO SAY THIS FITS IN OUR COMMUNITY, BUT OUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT MAY NOT BE A BOEING OR A VOLVO.
IT MAY BE THAT WE HAVE A HEADQUARTERS BOAT AND WE CAN FACILITATE SOME OF THAT.
WE MAY NOT BE ABLE TO BUILD THIS BUILDING, BUT MAYBE WE CAN BRING THE WATER AND SEWER TO A SITE TO ALLOW FOR A, A HEADQUARTERS FACILITY TO BE BUILT IN OUR COMMUNITY.
UM, SO PORTS, I'LL TALK ABOUT THIS.
SO THIS IS IN NORTH CAROLINA, I BELIEVE.
I'LL TALK ABOUT THIS SOME MORE.
SO THIS IS THE ACTUAL RENDERING.
WE HAVE A $70 MILLION AIRPORT THAT WE CAN'T GET FUNDED.
WE ACTUALLY BROKE IT APART AND, AND SAID WE WERE ABLE TO GET $30 MILLION IN FUNDING FROM F A A, UM, AND OTHER SOURCES.
SO WE'RE BUILDING PART OF IT, BUT THAT'S THE FULL $70 MILLION AIRPORT THAT WE HAVEN'T BEEN SUCCESSFUL AT, AT BUILDING YET.
IS THAT ON HILTON HEAD? THAT'S THE HILTON HEAD AIRPORT.
THAT'S WHAT IT WILL LOOK LIKE WHEN FULLY CONSTRUCTED.
UM, SO WE HAVE SOME FANTASTIC LIBRARIES, BUT THE WAY WE BUILD LIBRARIES PRETTY MUCH IS WITH IMPACT FEES.
SO UNLESS WE HAVE THE IMPACT FEES GENERATING ENOUGH FUNDS, UM, WE'VE DONE GOOD AT LIBRARIES, BUT THERE'S MORE OPPORTUNITIES THERE.
UH, NORTH CHARLESTON COLISEUM.
SO EVERY TIME I GO WATCH A SHOW, IT'S EITHER IN CHARLESTON OR SAVANNAH, WHETHER THAT'S AT THE, AT THE COLISEUM OR WHETHER THAT'S AT DANIEL ISLAND.
WE DON'T HAVE A FACILITY THAT CAN FIT 6,000, 8,000 PEOPLE.
I DON'T KNOW THAT WE WANT IT, BUT IF WE DID, WE DON'T HAVE A WAY TO BUILD IT OR FUND IT.
CAPITAL PROJECTS COULD HELP YOU GET TO SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
AQUATIC CENTER, WE JUST DID A MASTER PLAN STUDY ON RECREATION, AND FOR SOME REASON, AQUATICS IS LIKE AT THE TOP.
THAT IS A NEED IN THE COMMUNITY.
UM, WE'VE GOT THREE POOLS THAT ARE IN VERY POOR CONDITION ACROSS THE, THEY'RE ALL, I DON'T KNOW WHY THIS WAS A THING IN THE EIGHTIES, UH, BUT IT'S NOT A THING IN TODAY'S WORLD TO BUILD A A PUBLIC POOL ON A SCHOOL BUILDING CAMPUS.
ALL OF OUR POOLS ARE RELATED TO THAT.
WHAT HAPPENED WAS THEY SAID, HEY, UM, THIS, I, I'VE HAD THIS STORY TOLD ME, UM, A SECOND GRADER DROWNED IN THE EIGHTIES, AND THEY SAID, WE NEED TO TEACH ALL OUR KIDS TO SWIM.
SO THE SCHOOL SAID, WELL, I'VE GOT SOME FREE LAND AND THE COUNTY, YOU CAN BUILD IT IN ON MY FREE LAND.
SO IN THE EIGHTIES, IT WASN'T WEIRD FOR YOU TO SHOW UP WITH YOUR BUSINESS SUIT, A GROWN MAN, UM, AND TEENAGERS BE SWIMMING IN THERE.
AND THAT'S NOT LOOKED UPON FAVORABLY IN THE SAME LIFE AS IT IS TODAY.
SO, UH, WE'VE GOT THREE POOLS THAT NEED UPGRADING.
UM, WHY DON'T WE JUST BUILD A MAGNIFICENT FACILITY AND LET IT BE AN ATTRACTION TO THE COMMUNITY PARKING GARAGE.
AGAIN, CAPITAL PROJECTS ALLOWS FOR THAT.
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UM, WE HAVE A LOT OF AREAS THAT HAVE DENTS, BUT PARKING IS A BIG NEED.CITY OF BEAUFORT, UM, PORT ROYAL'S ABOUT TO BUILD OUT IN THEIR FACILITIES.
HILTON HEAD, OBVIOUSLY BLUFFTON, DOWNTOWN BLUFFTON, UH, AND THEY DON'T HAVE TO LOOK UGLY.
THIS ONE I THINK IS IN, UM, MIAMI.
SO THEY CAN, THEY CAN BE OUTFITTED AND, AND LOOK ATTRACTIVE TO THE COMMUNITY.
SO CHARLESTON COUNTY IS WORKING, OR CHARLESTON AND DORCHESTER AND, AND BERKELEY COUNTY.
THEY'RE WORKING ON RETROFITTING BASICALLY A, UH, BUS RAPID TRANSIT SYSTEM FROM SOMERVILLE TO DOWNTOWN CHARLESTON.
UM, THIS FOR THEM IS $1.2 BILLION.
UH, SO IT'S A MAJOR COST, BUT WE, WE DON'T HAVE THAT NEED FOR THE SAME LEVEL OF MASS TRANSIT, BUT WE MAKE ONE DAY AS WE GROW.
SO WHY NOT PLAN FOR IT AND PROVIDE FOR IT NOW? NEXT PROJECT.
BALL FIELDS, UH, ALWAYS IN NEED FOR MORE BALL FIELDS, RECREATION.
UH, SO THIS, ANYBODY KNOW WHERE THIS IS GREENVILLE GREEN.
EVERYBODY KNEW IT WAS IN GREENVILLE.
SO WE'VE GOT MONEY FOR PATHWAYS AND WE'VE GOT BEAUTIFUL PLACES.
WHY DON'T WE MAKE BEAUTIFUL PATHWAYS? THIS IS AN ATTRACTION.
MY FAMILY HAS DONE THAT JUST TO WALK ON THIS BRIDGE.
NOW WE DO OTHER THINGS WHILE WE'RE THERE.
WE SPEND MONEY, WE STAY IN THE BEDS, WE EAT AT RESTAURANTS, BUT THIS IS THE, AT TRACTION.
THERE'S NO REASON WHY WE CAN'T HAVE SIMILAR LEVEL OF ATTRACTIONS VERSUS JUST A FIVE FOOT SIDEWALK ON THE SIDE OF A ROAD.
WE, WE DO HAVE SPANISH MOSS TRAIL, WE HAVE SIMILAR ATTRACTIONS.
WE DON'T HAVE ANY THAT QUITE HAVE THIS.
WELL, WE DO HAVE THIS THAT GOES OVER.
WE'RE ON OUR WAY, BUT WE CAN CONTINUE THAT EFFORT.
SO EDUCATION CAPITAL IS NOT JUST FOR SCHOOL DISTRICTS.
IT CAN BE USED FOR TECHNICAL COLLEGE AND HIGHER EDUCATION.
UM, SO THIS IS THEIR $26 MILLION TRAINING CENTER THAT THEY CURRENTLY HAVE NO FUNDING FOR.
THEY WOULD LIKE TO BUILD THIS BUILDING.
I CAN'T REMEMBER SPECIFIC CLASSES.
IT'S A CERTAIN TRAINING, BUT THEY HAVE SOME TYPE OF TRAINING IDENTIFIED.
UM, SO THE WAY YOU SEE TECHNICAL COLLEGES AND EVEN LOCAL COLLEGES IS THROUGH SUPPORT OF LOCAL COMMUNITY.
WE, BEAUFORT COUNTY DOESN'T HAVE THE FUNDS.
WE HAVE OUR OWN PRIORITIES, LET ALONE GO BUILD SOMEBODY ELSE'S PRIORITIES, CAPITAL PROJECTS AND OR EDUCATION CAPITAL.
PENNY CAN BUILD THIS ACROSS THE STREET.
THIS IS THEIR CONVOCATION CENTER.
THEY HAVE, I THINK $30 MILLION IN FUNDING FOR IT.
UM, AND HAVE A $40 MILLION GAP EVERY DAY THAT THEY DON'T BUILD IT.
SO EVEN THOUGH IT MIGHT BE 10% INTEREST TO GO GET A LOAN, UM, THE COST OF CONSTRUCTION IS GREATER THAN 10%.
SO THIS, THEY'RE LOSING THEIR, THEIR DOLLAR BY NOT BUILDING THIS WHEN THEY WANT IT.
UM, WE'VE GOT GREAT BEACH ACCESS, WE CAN CONTINUE.
WHY CAN'T ALL OF OUR BEACH ACCESSES BE THAT GREAT? UM, POOLS.
CHARLESTON COUNTY HAS, I THINK THREE AQUATIC CENTERS.
UM, AGAIN, WE'VE GOT, UM, AQUATIC CENTER.
WHY CAN'T WE HAVE A PLACE FOR THE KIDS TO PLAY OUTSIDE AS WELL? AND THEN BOAT LANDINGS, WHITE HALL, YOU MENTIONED IT ALREADY.
WHY CAN'T ALL OF OUR 27 BOOK RAMPS APPLY THAT? SO THIS IS WHAT THE IDEA OF WHAT'S, WHEN WE SAY SUPER PENNY, WHEN WE START PUTTING THESE THREE PENNIES TOGETHER, NOT SAYING THAT WE DO IT, BUT THESE ARE THE LEVEL OF INFRASTRUCTURE AND INVESTMENTS THAT WE CAN MAKE WITH SERIOUS, UM, SALES TAX IN PLAY.
ALRIGHT? SO ONE OF OUR CHALLENGES, UM, WE HEAR THIS ALL THE TIME, YOU'VE ONLY BUILT ONE TURN LANE ON LADIES ISLAND AT WALGREENS.
WELL, AS I MENTIONED ALREADY, UH, THE IMPLEMENTATION TIME IS NOT THE SAME AS THE COLLECTION TIME.
UM, ALL OF THESE TRANSPORTATION PROJECTS, HEAVEN KNOWS THE 2 78 BRIDGE PROJECT TAKES A LONG TIME TO DEVELOP.
SO THE IMPLEMENTATION, THAT IS THE KEY TAKE.
IF YOU DON'T HEAR ANYTHING ELSE TODAY AND SOMEBODY ASKS YOU ABOUT SALES TAX AND IT HAS A NEGATIVE, UH, SLANT TO IT, WELL YOU DON'T GET ANYTHING DONE.
IMPLEMENTATION IS NOT THE SAME AS COLLECTION.
ALRIGHT? AND LET ME PROVE THAT.
DOES ANYBODY KNOW WHEN THE FIRST SALES TAX IN, IN BEAUFORT COUNTY WAS? SO REMEMBER, ARE YOU TELLING NOT L O S T? WE DON'T, WE DON'T HAVE THAT TAX.
NO, WE DON'T HAVE THAT SALES TAX.
ANY SALES TAX THAT WE'VE DONE IN BEAUFORT COUNTY.
ANYBODY KNOW WHEN THE FIRST ONE WAS LOCAL SALES TAX.
LOCAL SALES TAX, NOT STATE SALES TAX.
DID YOU MENTION IT? NO, I I SPECIFICALLY LEFT IT OFF 'CAUSE I WANTED Y'ALL TO GUESS.
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1998.REMEMBER THE TRANS, THIS WAS A TRANSPORTATION SALES TAX.
IT WAS FOR TWO YEARS AND $40 MILLION FOR ONE 70.
IT WAS A LOCAL MATCH TO FUND 14 MILES OF WIDENING AND TWO BRIDGES ACROSS THE BROAD RIVER BRIDGE INTO CHEE CREEK BRIDGE.
WE WERE THE FIRST COUNTY IN THE ENTIRE STATE TO DO A TRANSPORTATION SALES TAX.
SOUNDS A LITTLE LIKE GREEN SPACE.
THE FIRST ONE TO GO OUT THERE THAT TRAILBLAZER THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE STATE.
IT, THE STATUTE GOT ESTABLISHED IN 1995.
WE CAME BACK IN 98 AND IT PASSED.
AND THAT WAS OUR LOCAL MATCH TO HELP FUND THAT ROAD.
SO IF THIS WASN'T CONSTRUCTED, IT WOULD BE DRIVING ON TWO LANES FROM BEAUFORT TO BLUFFTON RIGHT NOW.
ANYBODY ELSE KNOW WHEN THE NEXT SALES TAX WAS? THIS IS, UH, 1721 AND 17 ISN'T, YEAH.
UH, THE NEXT SALES TAX, 95 TO NEXT SALES TAX.
THAT'S THE FIRST TIME I'VE BEEN AN AUDIENCE AND SOMEBODY'S GUESSED IT.
AND WE LEVERAGED THAT A COUPLE DIFFERENT WAYS.
THIS RIGHT HERE WAS THE DEADLIEST SECTION CLASSIFIED ONE OF THE DEADLIEST ROADS IN AN ENTIRE COUNTRY BECAUSE WE HAD THE MARINE CORPS DEPOT BUS WITH THE RECRUITS, UH, THAT HAD AN ACCIDENT THERE.
SO THIS WAS OUR LOCAL MATCH WENT INTO THIS.
THIS WAS, UM, FIVE MILES OF WIDENING FROM TWO LANES TO FOUR LANES FROM HERE, FROM 21 UP TO COLLEGE AND COUNTY LINE.
AND THEN THEY CONTINUED IT BEYOND.
BUT SALES TAX WENT INTO THIS PROJECT GARDENS CORNER NEXT AND BLUFF IN 2 78.
WE WIDENED FROM UM, SIMMONS V BACK TO ONE 70 FROM FOUR LANES TO SIX LANE, FIVE MILES WIDE AND FROM FOUR LANES TO SIX LANE SALES TAX FUNDING.
NEXT PROJECT BACK NORTH OF THE BROAD.
THIS IS, UH, OLD SAVANNAH HIGHWAY 1 28 FROM BROAD RIVER BRIDGE TO PARIS ISLAND GATEWAY.
WE WENT FROM TWO LANES TO FIVE LANES WIDENING TWO AND A HALF MILES OF ROADWAY.
NEXT PROJECT STILL BACK THERE, LADIES ISLAND.
UM, SO WE ADDED THE TWIN BRIDGE.
WE DIDN'T MEAN FOR THE ACCIDENT, PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE PICKED A DIFFERENT PICTURE,
UM, BUT WE ADDED, WE ADDED A TWIN BRIDGE.
UM, SO WE ONLY HAD WOODS MEMORIAL AND THE TWO LANE, UM, LADIES ISLAND BRIDGE.
NOW WE'VE GOT FOUR LANES GOING TO LADIES ISLAND NEXT.
WE CONTINUED THAT WIDENING FROM THE BRIDGE, UM, TWO AND A HALF, TWO MILES UP TO SEA ISLAND PARKWAY TO US 21.
SO FROM TWO LANES TO FOUR LANES WIDENING BACK DOWN SOUTH, WE WENT FOUR AND A HALF MILES OF SC ONE 70 FROM 2 78 TO THE TRAFFIC CIRCLE OF SC 46, AS WELL AS A 10 FOOT PATHWAY ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD.
WE ALSO COMPLETED THE BLUFFTON PARKWAY.
SO THIS IS THE FLYOVER THAT TIES IN, UH, FROM BURN CHURCH ALL THE WAY TO US.
2 78 RIGHT BEFORE THE BRIDGE AND NEXT PICTURE.
SO THIS IS ONE AND A HALF MILES OF WIDENING OR, OR ACTUALLY WE DIDN'T WIDEN.
WE REDUCED IT TO FOUR LANES, BUT WE WERE ABLE TO, UM, WE ACTUALLY ADDED TWO SIGNALS AS WELL IN THAT ONE AND A HALF MILES.
BUT WE IMPROVED SAFETY AND CAPACITY.
WE LIMITED ACCESS POOL ACCESS.
OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE THE MEDIUM THERE, BUT WHAT THAT MEDIAN DOES, IT CREATES A LEFT TURN.
COLLISIONS GETS RID OF THAT AND ALSO ALLOWS TRAFFIC TO FLOW THROUGH THEIR FASTER.
SO, UH, EVEN WITHOUT WIDE ENDING, WE ADDED CAPACITY AND IMPROVED SAFETY AND AESTHETICS ALL IN THAT PROJECT.
SO 2006 AGAIN, WE DID A SIX YEAR.
UM, SO WE FULLY COLLECTED IN 2012.
ANYBODY KNOW WHEN THIS PROJECT WAS CONSTRUCTED? 2020.
IT STARTED IN 2015 AND FINISHED IN 2019.
WAS THIS PROJECT SUCCESSFUL? YES.
SO IT DIDN'T, IT DIDN'T GET FULLY COMPLETED UNTIL SEVEN YEARS AFTER WE HAD FINISHED COLLECTING IN 2012.
SO THE ANSWER TO THE TEST QUESTION IS JUST BECAUSE IT DOESN'T GET CONSTRUCTED WHEN WE COLLECT THE CASH DOESN'T MEAN THAT THE PROGRAM OR THE PROJECT'S NOT SUCCESSFUL.
SO THIS PROJECT STARTED IN 2006 WITH THE, WITH CONCEPTUALS.
WENT INTO CONSTRUCTION IN 2015 AND WAS FULLY CONSTRUCTED IN 2019.
IT TOOK 13 YEARS TO DEVELOP THAT PROJECT, BUT TODAY WE HAVE A PROJECT, ALL THIS PROPERTY, UH, YOU CAN SEE CHICK-FIL-A GOT, UH, RENOVATED AND UPDATED.
UM, AND A WHOLE BUNCH OF OTHER PROJECTS HAVE BEEN UPDATED AND RENOVATED ALONG, ALONG, UM, BOUNDARY STREET.
SO 2018, WE'VE GOT $80 MILLION
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TO GO TOWARDS OUR $300 MILLION BRIDGE PROJECT.WE DON'T HAVE IT FINISHED, BUT WHEN WE DO, IT'LL BE ANOTHER ONE THAT OUTLIVES THE COLLECTION AND WILL BE EXTREMELY SUCCESSFUL.
LADIES ISLAND, WE'VE GOT NINE PROJECTS ON LADIES ISLAND, INCLUDING THE TWO MAJOR CORRIDORS.
SO THAT'S AT THE WALGREENS, UM, WALGREENS.
AND UM, SO WE'RE GONNA DO SOME SIMILAR IMPROVEMENTS TO BOUNDARY STREET.
NOT NECESSARILY ALL THE MEDIANS, BUT, UM, ACCESS MANAGEMENT AND SAFETY IMPROVEMENTS AND A LITTLE BIT OF WIDENING FOR CAPACITY AND SAFETY ENHANCEMENTS.
AND THEN LASTLY, WE'VE GOT A BUNCH OF PATHWAYS THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE COUNTY THAT WE'RE WORKING TOWARDS.
AND WE'LL START TO SEE, UM, ACROSS THE COUNTY, ORANGE BARRELS COMING UP FROM THOSE GETTING OUT THE BID RIGHT NOW.
SO WHEN SOMEBODY SAYS YOU HAVEN'T BEEN SUCCESSFUL OR HOW DO YOU, SO YOUR COUNTY, THEY'VE HAD SUCCESSIVE PENNIES, BUT WE HAVEN'T HAD SUCCESSIVE PENNIES.
BUT IN THE LAST 25 YEARS, ALL THOSE PROJECTS, THERE'S PROBABLY A HANDFUL OF PROJECTS, A HANDFUL OF ROADS WITHIN BEAUFORT COUNTY THAT HAVE NOT BEEN TOUCHED WITH SALES TAX FUNDS THAT ARE GREATER THAN TWO LANES IN BEAUFORT COUNTY.
SO THE INTERESTING THING IS, OVER THE LAST 25 YEARS, WE HAD A TWO YEAR PENNY, A SIX YEAR PENNY, AND A FOUR YEAR PENNY.
SO WE ONLY, WE DID ALL THAT WORK THAT I JUST DESCRIBED WITH 12 YEARS OF COLLECTION.
IMAGINE WHAT IT WOULD BE FIRST IF WE HADN'T DONE ANY OF THAT WORK.
AND THEN SECOND, IMAGINE WHAT IT WOULD BE HAD WE COLLECTED FULLY FOR 25 YEARS, THE 13 MISSING YEARS OF SALES TAX.
WE WOULDN'T BE WORRYING ABOUT THE BRIDGE.
THE BRIDGE WOULD ALREADY BE CONSTRUCTED AND PAID FOR.
SO WE LEFT ON THE TABLE 13 YEARS OF SUCCESSIVE COLLECTING, WHICH IN ESSENCE YORK COUNTY HAS BEEN DOING, EVEN THOUGH NOT THROUGH TRANSPORTATION, THEY'VE BEEN DOING IT SUCCESSIVELY WITH CAPITAL PROJECTS.
SO, UM, THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY OUT THERE THAT WE HAVE, WE'VE BEEN SUCCESSFUL AND WE CAN SHOW THAT WE WILL BE SUCCESSFUL, ESPECIALLY WITH A LONGER TERM SUCCESS.
ALRIGHT, NEXT, UH, CHALLENGE THAT WE HAVE.
REGRESSIVE, OH, YOU'RE JUST RAISING TAXES AND YOU'RE NEVER COMING BACK DOWN.
WELL THIS IS WHERE THE SUPER PENNY CONCEPT COMES IN.
SO BY THEMSELVES, THAT'S PARTIALLY A TRUE STATEMENT.
SO THEY ARE REGRESSIVE 'CAUSE TAX GOES UP.
THE DIFFERENCE IS, AND DIFFERENT THAN LOCAL OPTION SALES TAX, LOCAL OPTION I WOULD ARGUE IS A LITTLE BIT MORE AGGRESSIVE BECAUSE IT REALLY DOESN'T COME OFF.
YOU GOTTA HAVE A PETITION FOR IT TO COME OFF.
NO ONE'S JUST GONNA FOCUS THAT.
SO YOUR SALE, YOUR TAX GOES UP AND IT REALLY NEVER COMES DOWN.
ALL OF THESE, THE TRANSPORTATION, THE CAPITAL AND THE EDUCATION CAPITAL ALL HAVE A SUNSET DATE.
SO THEY ARE NOT REGRESSIVE IN THE FACT THAT THEY NEVER COME OFF.
NOW DO THEY MAKE YOUR TAXES GO UP BY THEMSELVES? THEY DO, BUT WHEN YOU START PUTTING 'EM TOGETHER, THAT'S WHERE THE MAGIC AND THE SUPER PENNY CONCEPT COMES IN BECAUSE, UM, GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE.
THIS IS WHERE THE EDUCATION CAPITAL IS SUPER IMPORTANT.
SO WHAT WE HAVE HERE IS A PROPERTY TAX BILL AND THIS IS JUST A, A GUY THAT MAKES A FAMILY THAT MAKES 40,000 BUCKS.
SO THIS IS THE BASE LEVEL IN BEAUFORT COUNTY MAKES $40,000 A YEAR, LIVES IN $120,000 HOUSE.
HIS PROPERTY TAX RIGHT NOW IS $714.
IF HIS SCHOOL DEBT RIGHT NOW ON THAT BILL IS $174, WITH THAT EDUCATION CAPITAL YOU CAN DEFRA OLD DEBT.
SO ON DAY ONE YOU APPROVE EDUCATION CAPITAL.
THAT RIGHT THERE COMES OFF THE, OFF THE RACK, OFF THE TAX BILL.
COUNTY DEBT, UM, A LITTLE BIT CAN BE DEFRA IF IT'S A SPECIFIC PROJECT.
SO HIS TAX BILL WITH THE CAPITAL PENNY AND THE EDUCATIONAL PENNY AT WORK BASICALLY ARE ROLLING BACK HIS TAX BILL FROM SEVEN 14 TO 5 26.
HOWEVER, IF WE HAVE THE SUPER PENNY, WE HAVE THREE PENNIES THAT HE'S PAYING ON HIS USE OF SALES USE.
SO JUST SAY THIS GUY, 40,000 HAS A DISPOSABLE INCOME OF 20% AFTER HE PAYS ALL HIS OTHER BILLS AND HE GOES AND, AND AND SPENDS OUT OF THAT 20,000 OR 20%, THAT'S $8,000 THAT HE'S GONNA GET SALES TAX APPLIED TO.
SO WE'RE JUST TALKING ABOUT THE DIFFERENCE FROM SIX TO NINE.
SO THREE PENNIES TIMES 8,000 IS $240.
SO IN THIS SPECIFIC EXAMPLE, THIS GUY'S TAXES IS GOING UP BY $53 A YEAR OR BASICALLY ONE STARBUCKS A MONTH IS HOW MUCH HIS TAXES ARE GOING UP.
SO THIS IS A SLIGHTLY BIGGER HOUSE.
SO 167,000 IN THE HOUSEHOLD AND A $500,000 HOUSE TAX BILLS.
THE SCHOOL DEBT, IF EDUCATION DEFRAYED THE DEBT, IT WOULD REDUCE BY THAT MUCH.
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TOTAL REDUCTION OF $782, SAME THING OVER HERE.SO DISPOSABLE INCOME, JUST SAY IT'S 15% 'CAUSE HE IS MAKING MORE MONEY.
UM, UM, SO THE AMOUNT HE CAN SPEND 15 TIMES 167.
SO HE'S SPENDING $25,000 A YEAR THAT WOULD HAVE SALES TAX APPLIED AT THE THREE PENNIES IS $750.
SO THIS GENTLEMAN, THIS FAMILY IS ACTUALLY GAINING $32 A MONTH.
SO HIS TAX BILL GOES DOWN BY $32 OR $2 AND $67 A MONTH.
SO WHAT, WHEN THEY'RE ALL WORKING TOGETHER, THE, THE PROPERTY TAX ROLLBACK THAT YOU SEE IN LOST AND THAT YOU SEE IN SOME OF THE OTHER SALES TAX IS TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT BECAUSE THE SCHOOL DISTRICT HAS DEBT ON THEIR TAX BILL RIGHT NOW, WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN SHOULD THE GEO BOND THAT THEY HAVE ON REFERENDUM IS, SO RIGHT NOW IN TWO, 2019 THEY DID A $350 MILLION GEO BOND DEBT ISSUANCE.
IT GOT APPROVED AT REFERENDUM, THAT WAS PART OF A $700 MILLION MASTER PLAN.
SO THEY SAID, AND FOUR YEARS LATER WE'RE GONNA COME BACK AND FINISH THE PLAN.
SO THAT'S WHY THEY'RE COMING BACK TO THE REFERENDUM, UH, TO THE VOTERS.
SO INSTEAD OF 350, AGAIN IT'S $455,455 MILLION IS WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO ASK FOR.
SO AS SOON AS IF THAT GOT APPROVED, THAT WOULD GO ONTO THEIR DEBT MILLAGE THAT ALL FOUR PERCENTERS AND SIX PERCENTERS ARE GOING TO PAY.
SO YOUR MILLAGE IS STAYING THE SAME, BUT YOUR TAXES ARE GOING UP BECAUSE YOU AS A FOUR PERCENTER PAY SCHOOL DEBT.
SO IT ACTUALLY REINFORCES THE SUPER PENNY BECAUSE THE EDUCATIONAL ON DAY ONE, IF YOU DID 15 YEARS, WOULD HAVE MORE THAN ENOUGH MONEY TO DEFRAY THE DEBT THAT THEY'RE ISSUING RIGHT NOW, PLUS FUTURE PROJECTS.
DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? SO YOU'RE SAYING IF WE DID THESE PENNIES, SOME OF THOSE PENNIES WOULD BE USED TO DEFRAY THAT, THAT MONEY THEY'RE ASKING FOR NOW THAT'S RIGHT.
THAT THE FOUR PERCENTERS ARE GONNA PAY BECAUSE FOUR PERCENTERS PAY DEBT.
AND THAT PENNY COULD BE USED TOWARDS THAT DEBT.
PLUS EVERYBODY'S PAYING THE SCHOOL, ALL THE SCHOOL TAXES ON THEIR PER PERSONAL PROPERTY.
LIKE THEIR CARS, THEIR BOATS, YES.
SO IN ADDITION, YOU MIGHT NOT BE PAYING SCHOOL OPERATING, BUT YOU'RE PAYING THAT ON YOUR, ON YOUR PERSONAL PROPERTY.
UM, AND CITIZENS DON'T TRUST THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT.
WE'VE HEARD, WE'VE HEARD THAT ONE BEFORE.
SO THE ANSWER IS WE HAVE A LONG TRACK RECORD.
WE'RE WHAT WE'VE DONE WITH SALES TAX IS OUR RECORD.
JUST LIKE YORK COUNTY HAS A RECORD, JUST LIKE CHARLESTON COUNTY HAS A RECORD, WE'VE DONE SOME SUCCESSFUL PROJECTS AND PROGRAMS. JUST BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT QUICK, JUST BECAUSE WE'VE GOT A BRIDGE THAT WE CAN'T, CAN'T FIGURE OUT HOW TO MOVE FORWARD DOESN'T MEAN THAT WE HAVEN'T BEEN EXTREMELY SUCCESSFUL.
SO WE'VE BEEN ENTRUSTED WITH 40 PLUS 150 PLUS 120.
SO $300 MILLION IN, IN SALES TAX BY THE LOCAL CITIZENS.
THAT HAS BEEN, AS YOU CAN SEE, PUT TO GOOD USE.
SO THAT ONE QUICK EXAMPLE ON THE POWER OF LEVERAGE.
SO BACK TO 2 78, WHEN THE PROJECT GOT STARTED, IT WAS A $240 MILLION PROJECT.
THERE WAS A RANGE OF ALTERNATIVES, BUT IN GENERAL THE, IT WAS 240 MILLION.
SO SALES TAX, WE DIDN'T FUND THE WHOLE THING.
WE SAID, OKAY, LET'S SAY WE DO PART OF, WE'LL GO FISHING FOR MORE MONEY.
OH GOING FASTER THAN I CAN TALK.
SORRY, WE HAD 80 MILLION FROM SALES TAX.
SO THAT IS WHAT BEAUFORT COUNTY RESIDENTS AND TOURISTS ARE PAYING FOR $80 MILLION OUT TO.
SO WE'RE ONLY PAYING A THIRD OF THIS PRICE RIGHT NOW.
SO, UH, WE SAID, HEY, D O T AT THE TIME WHEN WE GOT STARTED IN 2018, IT WAS A CONCEPT.
THERE WASN'T MUCH MORE THAN THAT.
WE MADE AN AGREEMENT WITH D O T THAT SAID, HEY, I THINK WE CAN PUT A SALES TAX ON.
AND THEY SAID, WE'LL GIVE YOU TWO YEARS.
AND IF SO, THEY WERE GOING TO REPLACE ONE.
SO THAT BRIDGE HAS FOUR SEPARATE SPANS TO IT.
ONE OF 'EM MET THE CONDITIONS FOR THEM TO REPLACE.
THEY SAID, WELL, IT'S WORTH 40 MILLIONS OF DOLLARS TO US.
WE'LL PUT OUR $40 MILLION INTO THIS BIGGER REPLACEMENT OF ALL THE BRIDGES INTO A NEW STRUCTURE.
IF YOU CAN GET THE MONEY, UH, AND SALES TAX APPROVED IN THE NEXT TWO YEARS.
IF NOT, WE'RE GOING AND REPLACE THAT ONE SPAN AND WE'RE GONNA BE DONE.
WE'RE NOT DOING SIX LANES, WE'RE NOT DOING ANY IMPROVEMENTS.
WE'LL COME BACK IN ANOTHER 10 YEARS AND DO ANOTHER BRIDGE.
SO WE SAID, OKAY, THAT SOUNDS GREAT.
SO WE TOOK OUR MONEY, WE WENT FISHING, WE PUT IT TOGETHER, WE HAD $120 MILLION, WE'RE STILL THE $120 MILLION SHORT.
SO THEN WE WENT TO THE NEXT SLIDE TO THE STATE INFRASTRUCTURE BANK AND WE SAID, HEY, WE GOT THIS PROJECT WE WANNA GET DONE.
WE'VE GOT 50%, WILL YOU COME INVEST
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WITH US? NOW THE BANK IS A BANK, SO THEY WANT A RATE OF RETURN.SO A LOT OF TIMES THE MINIMUM IS 10 TO 20% IS ALL YOU GOTTA PUT IN.
SO IF YOU'RE PUT SITTING THAT AS A BANKER, THE LESS RISK IS WHERE SOMEBODY'S PUTTING MORE EQUITY IN.
SO WE'RE ALREADY PUTTING 50% EQUITY INTO THIS PROJECT.
OUR PROJECT GOT VOTED AS THE NUMBER ONE PROJECT OUT OF ALL THE APPLICATIONS THAT WERE SUBMITTED THAT YEAR, UM, TO THE STATE INFRASTRUCTURE BANK.
AND WE GOT THE FULL REQUEST OF $120 MILLION.
SO WE NOW HAVE A FULLY FUNDED PROJECT, BUT THE MATH GETS BETTER.
SO REMEMBER, 40% OF OUR OPINION IS PAID BY OUT OF TOWNERS AND THAT NUMBER COULD BE HIGHER OR LOWER.
I'M GONNA WORK TO GET THAT EXACT NUMBER.
I'M GONNA GET THE C B B TO HELP US, UM, DETERMINE IS IT 40%? IS IT 42%? IT, IT COULD BE HIGHER, BUT LET'S JUST SAY 40% 'CAUSE IT HELPS WITH OUR MATH.
ALRIGHT, SO REMEMBER WE HAD 80, $80 MILLION UP HERE THAT, THAT WE, BEAUFORT COUNTY PAID FOR.
SO 40% OR 60% IS PAID BY, BY BEAUFORT CITIZENS.
SO 60 POUND, THAT IS $48 MILLION.
SO WE SAID WE ARE PUTTING IN $1 AND WE GOT FOUR OTHER DOLLARS FROM SOMEBODY ELSE THAT ARE PAYING FOR THIS QUARTER OF A BILLION DOLLAR BRIDGE.
WE COULDN'T DO THAT IF WE DIDN'T HAVE BAIT ON OUR HOOK TO GO FISH WITH.
SO THE WAY YOU GET BIG PROJECTS DONE AND FUNDED IS YOU GOTTA HAVE LOCAL MONEY SUPPORT SO YOU CAN GO OUT IF YOU DON'T HAVE ANY MONEY ON YOUR HOOK, NO FISH IS GONNA SWIM BY AND BUY IT.
BUT BECAUSE OUR MONEY WAS THERE, THAT WAS THE ATTRACTION.
THE D O T THAT WAS THE ATTRACTION TO THE BANK.
AND THEN WE'VE GOT OUT-OF-TOWNERS THAT ARE EVEN ASSISTING US WITH THIS AMOUNT.
SO THIS IS THE BEST OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO FUND INFRASTRUCTURE IS BECAUSE WE CAN LEVERAGE THAT AND WE'RE NOT EVEN PAYING ALL OF THAT MONEY OURSELVES.
WHAT PROJECT IS THIS HILTON HEAD BRIDGE, THE ONE THAT WE'RE STRUGGLING TO GET? YEAH, SO THE BRIDGE IS FUNDED NOW THE COST IS GOING UP AND IT'S MORE THAN $240 MILLION AND WE'VE HAD TO PUT OTHER SOURCES OF FUNDS IN THERE AND D O T HAS INCREASED THEIR PRICE FROM 40 TO $70 MILLION.
BUT, UM, WE HAVE A $300 MILLION BRIDGE THAT IS FULLY FUNDED.
MOST OF THE TIMES YOU'RE TRYING TO SEARCH FOR FUNDS, THE FUNDS ARE THERE, ALL WE'VE GOTTA DO IS DESIGN AND CONSTRUCT, BUT WE ARE ONLY PAYING 20% OF THE COST OF THAT BRIDGE, WHICH IS PRETTY PHENOMENAL 'CAUSE OF SALES TAX.
HOW DO WE PAY THE, THE STATE BANK FACT? WE DON'T.
IN ESSENCE, WE ARE PAID THE STATE GRANT DOESN'T, ISN'T EXACTLY OUT OF THIN AIR.
SO WHEN YOUR 6% SALES TAX AND YOUR, UH, TAX THAT YOU PAY TO THE INCOMES, TECH TAX TO THE STATE, I'M NOT SURE WHERE IT COMES FROM EXACTLY, BUT ANYHOW, DEPARTMENT OF COMMERCE OUT OF THE STATE BUDGET DISTRIBUTES TO SOME TO THE BANK.
AND THE BANK IS USED TO INVEST IN PROJECTS THAT ARE GONNA DEVELOP THE ECONOMY OF THE STATE AND SUPPORT TRADE AND GROWTH AND COMMERCE.
SO, ALL RIGHT, SO SUPER PENNIES PLAN, AGAIN, LARGEST FEASIBLE.
SO IF WE PUT THREE PENNIES IN MOTION, WE'VE GOT 60 MILLION TIMES THREE, 180 MILLION, ALMOST $200 MILLION A YEAR THAT WE'RE INVESTING IN OUR ECONOMY VERSUS TODAY, UM, PRIOR TO GREEN SPACE, WE WERE INVESTING ZERO, UH, LARGE PERCENTAGE IS FROM OUT OF TOWNERS 40, MAYBE GREATER THAN 40%.
UM, IT'S NOT ASSESSED ON THE NECESSITY.
SO YOU ASKED THE QUESTION, AND I DO HAVE A HANDOUT FOR YOU.
BASICALLY, HOUSING, GAS, GROCERIES, UTILITIES ARE NOT ASSESSED SALES TAX.
SO IT'S WHEN YOU GO OUT TO EAT, IT'S WHEN YOU GO RETAIL, THAT'S WHERE SALES TAX COMES INTO EFFECT.
SO, UM, THE SUPER PENNYS TO WORKING TOGETHER, WHAT LOST, REMEMBER YOU HAD A PROPERTY ROLLBACK AND YOU HAD A CAPITAL REVENUE FUND.
SO THE ROLLBACK IS COMING FROM THE EDUCATION ROLLING BACK.
THE DEBT MILLAGE, THE 29% THAT WAS CAPITAL REVENUE FUND IS BEING REPLACED WITH $60 MILLION FROM CAPITAL PROJECTS.
SO THE THOUGHT PROCESS IS THAT RATHER THAN THE COUNTY JUST DO COUNTY PROJECTS, THAT WE OPEN THAT UP TO ALL THE MUNICIPALITIES AND WE CREATE A FUNDING SOURCE FOR ALL THE MUNICIPALITIES AND COUNTY TO DO THEIR PROJECTS.
SO IN $60 MILLION, ONLY 29% WAS GOING TOWARDS THE PROJECT REVENUE FUND.
NOW THE ENTIRE $60 MILLION IS GOING TO THE PROJECT REVENUE FUND.
SO IT IS BASICALLY A LOST ON STEROIDS, PLUS IT HAS AN EXPIRATION DATE.
SO THE IDEA OF IT BEING REGRESSIVE IS THE FACT THAT IT HAS A EXPIRATION DATE AND AS WE SHOWED IN THE CALCULATION, DOESN'T REALLY INCREASE THE TAXES BASED OFF THE MILLAGE DEBT REFRAME FROM SCHOOL DISTRICT.
UM, SALES TAX, THIS IS SUPER KEY.
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GOODS, COST OF PROJECTS KEEP GOING UP.SALES TAX GROWS WITH INFLATION AS, AS YOUR PAIR OF SNEAKERS COST A HUNDRED.
YOUR TAX IS A PERCENTAGE OF THAT.
SO IT GROWS WITH INFLATION, THE COST OF GOODS.
IT ALSO KEEPS UP WITH POPULATION.
SO WE GOT 200,000 IF WE HAVE 220,000.
NOW ALL THOSE PLAYERS, IT ALSO GROWS WITH TOURISM GROWTH.
IF IT GROWS TO 4 MILLION, ALL THOSE ARE PAYING SALES TAX.
SO PROPERTY TAX IS LIMITED BY 15 YEARS CAP EVERY FIVE YEARS.
SO WE JUST DID A QUADRENNIAL REASSESSMENT AND PEOPLE'S PROPERTY TAX.
THE, THE PROPERTY TAX GOES UP.
COUNTY COUNCIL CHOSE TO KEEP THE BILL TAX NEUTRAL.
AT LEAST OUR HALF OF THE BILL SCHOOL DISTRICT DID SOMETHING DIFFERENT.
OUR HALF OF THE BILL TAX NEUTRAL.
SO THEY REDUCED YOUR MILLAGE THAT THEY'RE ASSESSING ON YOUR HIGHER APPRAISED PROPERTY TAX.
SO, UM, EVEN AT 15% WE'VE SEEN INFLATION HAS BEEN HIGHER THAN, I MEAN IT'S BEEN SUPER HIGH HERE LATELY.
SO PROPERTY TAX DOESN'T KEEP UP THE SAME AS SALES TAX DOES.
SO WHAT YOU GUYS DID A GOOD JOB LAST YEAR IS WE KNOW WE'RE GONNA HAVE SAFETY PROJECTS.
WE DON'T KNOW WHICH INTERSECTION IT'S GONNA BE, BUT WE CAN PROVIDE, UH, OPPORTUNITY AND A FUNDING PART FOR FUTURE SAFETY PROJECTS KNOWING THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE INTERSECTIONS THAT NEED IMPROVEMENT LATER IN THE DAY.
SO IT'S SUPER FLEXIBLE IF YOU SET IT UP CORRECTLY.
I'M NOT SAYING THAT THIS IS THE PATH, THIS IS JUST A, A THEORETICAL EXERCISE.
SO WHAT COULD IT LOOK LIKE? UM, WHAT COULD 25 YEARS LOOK LIKE WITH A LONG-TERM PLAN IN PLACE? AND HOPEFULLY I'VE DISPLAYED THAT TO YOU THAT CAN WE PASS ALL THREE IN ONE YEAR? MAYBE NOT, MAYBE, MAYBE NOT.
CAN YOU PASS 'EM IN SUCCESSIVE YEARS? POSSIBLY.
COULD YOU PASS 'EM TWO ONE YEAR AND ONE AT ANOTHER YEAR? POSSIBLY? UH, ALL THAT'S FOR YOU GUYS TO CONSIDER.
WHAT I'M HOPEFULLY LAYING OUT IS JUST WITH A LONG-TERM PLAN, WE CAN NOT ONLY KEEP UP WITH OUR GROWTH, BUT HOPEFULLY EVEN GET IN FRONT OF IT AND REALLY MAKE SOME REMARKABLE INVESTMENTS IN OUR COMMUNITY THAT TODAY WE DON'T HAVE THE FUNDING TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN.
UM, AND JOHN F. KENNEDY SAYS IN THE SIXTIES THAT WE CHOOSE TO GO TO THE MOON IN THIS DECADE AND DO OTHER THINGS.
NOT BECAUSE IT'S EASY, BUT BECAUSE THEY ARE HARD.
BECAUSE THAT GOAL WILL SERVICE TO ORGANIZE AND MEASURE THE BEST OF OUR ENERGIES AND SKILLS.
AND BECAUSE THAT CHALLENGE IS ONE THAT WE ARE WILLING TO ACCEPT, ONE WE'RE UNWILLING TO POSTPONE, AND ONE WE INTEND IN WHICH WE INTEND TO WIN.
AND WE HAVE THE SAME CHALLENGE IN FRONT OF US IF WE CHOOSE TO GO FORWARD WITH A LONG-TERM PLAN.
IF YOU'VE HEARD IT, UM, BEFORE, IF YOU HAVEN'T HEARD IT BEFORE, YOU'VE HEARD IT.
NOW NOT SAYING IT IS, IT IS THE PLAN, BUT IT IS A PLAN TO BE CONSIDERED.
THAT'S, THAT'S THE PRESENTATION.
LET'S UHS SEE WHERE WE ARE HERE.
DO WE WANT TO TAKE THIS AND SPEND SOME TIME THINKING ABOUT IT? YES SIR.
COME BACK AGAIN AND START HAMMERING ON IT ON NEXT MEETING.
UH, IN WHICH CASE, UH, WE'RE GONNA KEEP MEETING ON THURSDAY AFTERNOONS, FIVE 30 RIGHT HERE, SAME TIME, SAME PLACE.
UM, JARED, I I DO WANT TO GET A CHANCE TO SIT DOWN WITH YOU AND KIND OF KIND OF SKETCH OUT HOW YOU THINK THE STEPS OF THIS THING.
YEAH, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO TALK.
I MEAN, I'LL BE SPEAKING MYSELF.
I THINK THE SUPERINTENDENT HERE IS PROBABLY PRETTY SENSIBLE AND WELL EXPLAINED.
AND, UM, SO, BUT I THINK, I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF THINKING THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE AND A LOT OF PLANNING THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE TO GET US TO THE POINT WHERE WE'VE GOT A PACKAGE WE CAN TAKE FORWARD, UH, TO COUNSEL.
SO ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS THAT WE HAVEN'T, ANYTHING WE HAVEN'T TALKED ABOUT TONIGHT THAT WE WANT TO TOUCH ON BEFORE WE AUR? OKAY.
THANK YOU EVERYBODY AND THANK YOU JARED, FOR A GREAT PRESENTATION.
UM, I GUESS WE NEED A MOTION TO ADJOURN.
UM, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE.
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THOSE IN FAVOR OF ADJOURNMENT, PLEASE SAY AYE.