Oct 04, 2023 Town of Bluffton Historic Preservation Commission

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UH, HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION.

IT'S WEDNESDAY, OCTOBER 4TH, 2023,

[I. CALL TO ORDER]

HERE, COMMISSIONER WILL GUNTHER PRESENT.

COMMISSIONER DEBBIE WONDER.

HERE.

COMMISSIONER JIM HESS.

HERE.

COMMISSIONER JOE DEPAUL.

HERE.

COMMISSIONER CARRIE SMELTER.

YES.

VICE CHAIR WOMAN CARLITA FRAZIER.

OKAY.

NOTICE REGARDING ADJOURNMENT.

[III. NOTICE REGARDING ADJOURNMENT]

THE COMMISSION MEMBERS PRESENT ITEMS WHICH HAVE NOT BEEN HEARD BEFORE, 9:30 PM MAY BE CONTINUED TO THE NEXT REGULAR MEETING OR A SPECIAL MEETING DATE AS DETERMINED BY THE COMMISSION MEMBERS NOTICE REGARDING PUBLIC COMMENTS.

EVERY MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC WHO IS RECOGNIZED TO SPEAK SHALL ADDRESS THE CHAIRMAN.

AND IN SPEAKING, AVOID DISRESPECT TO COMMISSION STAFF OR OTHER MEMBERS OF THE MEETING.

PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS WHEN SPEAKING FOR THE RECORD, COMMENTS ARE LIMITED TO THREE MINUTES.

WE'RE GONNA LOOK FOR THE ADOPTION OF THE AGENDA.

CAN I GET A MOTION TO

[V. ADOPTION OF THE AGENDA]

IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND.

ANY DISCUSSION? AND ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.

AYE.

ANY OPPOSED? OKAY.

THE AGENDA IS ADOPTED AS WRITTEN NOW WE'RE LOOKING FOR AN ADOPTION OF THE MINUTES FROM

[VI. ADOPTION OF MINUTES]

CAN I GET A MOTION? AYE.

MOTION ADOPT THE MINUTES.

A SECOND.

THAT GOOD? ANY DISCUSSION? AND I'M LOOKING FOR ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.

AYE.

AYE.

ALL OPPOSED? OKAY.

AND THE MEETING MINUTES FROM SEPTEMBER ARE ADOPTED.

PUBLIC COMMENTS? WE DON'T HAVE ANY.

OKAY.

THEN WE WILL BEGIN WITH, WE DON'T HAVE ANY OLD BUSINESS EITHER.

SO WE'LL START WITH NEW BUSINESS.

UH, THE

[X.1. Certificate of Appropriateness: A request by Pearce Scott Architects, on behalf of the owners, Matt and Dianne Donovan, for the approval of a Certificate of Appropriateness - HD for the construction of a new single-family residential Carriage House of approximately 1,056 SF, to be located at 12 Tabby Shell Road, Lot 24 in the Tabby Roads Development, in the Old Town Bluffton Historic District and zoned Neighborhood General - HD. (COFA-06-23-018375) (Staff - Katie Peterson)]

UM, COMMISSIONERS, IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO SELECT SOMEONE, IT CAN BE AS AN OPEN DISCUSSION TO ACT AS THE CHAIR FOR THIS ITEM AS THERE IS NO VICE CHAIR PRESENT TONIGHT.

UM, WE'LL JUST HAVE, TAKE A QUICK VOTE TO, TO DECIDE WHETHER OR NOT THAT PERSON, EVERYONE AGREES, BASICALLY.

UM, BUT YOU CAN OPENLY DISCUSS WHO YOU'D LIKE TO ACT AS CHAIR MATTER TO ME.

WHAT , WHO'S CLOSEST? .

ALRIGHT.

THANK KAREN.

THERE WE GO.

I'LL SECOND THAT.

WE'LL SECOND IT THEN.

ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.

AYE.

GOOD.

THANK YOU.

UM, DO YOU NEED THE, THE CHEAT SHEET ISN'T, THE CHEAT SHEET IS IN THE EVANS CHAIR IF YOU NEED IT.

PERFECT.

JUST IN CASE YOU SHOULD NEED IT.

BUT I'M HAPPY TO HELP YOU GO THROUGH.

THANK YOU.

YOU NEED AS WELL.

SO THE FIRST ITEM THAT WE HAVE BEFORE US TONIGHT IS A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR 12 TAB SHE ROAD.

SOMETHING HAS GONE WRONG WITH MY STUFF.

SORRY.

OKAY.

SO IT IS A REQUEST, UM, ON FROM PIERCE SCOTT ARCHITECTS ON BEHALF OF THE OWNERS, MATT AND DIANE DONOVAN FOR APPROVAL OF THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF A NEW SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL CARRIAGE HOUSE OF APPROXIMATELY 1056 SQUARE FEET TO BE LOCATED AT 12 TABBY SHELL ROAD, WHICH IS LOT 24 IN THE TABBY ROADS DEVELOPMENT HERE IN THE OLD TOWN.

LUPTON HISTORIC DISTRICT.

IT IS ZONED NEIGHBORHOOD GENERAL HD.

THE STRUCTURE IS TO BE LOCATED IN THE BACKYARD.

UM, AND I HAVE THE SITE PLAN RIGHT HERE.

SO IT'LL TAKE THE PLACE OF THE, UM, EXISTING SHED THAT IS OUT THERE.

IT IS AN ALUMINUM NON-CONFORMING, NOT, UM, CURRENT EXISTING STRUCTURE THAT HAS BEEN OUT THERE FOR SOME TIME.

UM, AND WE'LL THEN GO BEYOND OBVIOUSLY THE SIZE OF THAT.

BUT THIS IS THE TABBY SHELL ROAD AT THE FRONT OF THE LOT.

AND YOU HAVE FIDDLER LANE AT THE BACK.

IN ORDER TO MAKE THIS A LITTLE CLEARER OF WHERE IT IS ON THIS ROW OF TABBY ROAD'S HOUSES.

IT IS THE SECOND ONE FROM THE MINI TRAFFIC CIRCLE ON TOWARDS PRITCHARD STREET.

SO THIS IS THE ELEVATIONS FOR THE REAR, WHICH WILL FACE PLUFF MUD AND RIGHT SIDE, WHICH WILL BE THIS SIDE THAT YOU ARE KIND OF SEEING HERE.

UM, BECAUSE THE FRONT OF THIS STRUCTURE WILL ACTUALLY BE FACING TOWARDS THE HOUSE.

SO THIS IS THE EXISTING HOUSE, THIS IS WHERE IT WILL SIT.

AND THIS IS WHAT YOU WOULD BE LOOKING AT WOULD BE THIS SIDE AND THIS SIDE HERE.

IF YOU WERE STANDING WHERE THIS PICTURE WAS TAKEN, THE FRONT AND LEFT

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SO YOU HAVE AN IDEA OF WHAT THAT WILL LOOK AT.

UM, IT IS A, IT'S A FAIRLY BASIC CARRIAGE HOUSE THAT HAS, YOU KNOW, A FEW WINDOWS ON EACH SIDE.

SO IT HAS SOME INTEREST, THE GARAGE DOORS, UM, AND CHARACTERISTICS SIMILAR TO THAT OF THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE.

IT HAS MATCHING SHUTTERS MATCHING MATERIALS.

UM, IT HAS BEEN INDICATED THAT THE COLORS WILL MATCH WHILE WE DON'T HAVE JURISDICTION OVER THAT.

IT DEFINITELY HELPS TOWARDS MAKING IT LOOK SIMILAR.

UM, BUT THE DETAILING OF THIS STRUCTURE IS THE SAME AS THE DETAILING FOR THE PRIMARY HOUSE THAT ALREADY EXISTS ON THE SITE.

UM, TO FURTHER THOSE DETAILS HERE YOU GO.

THE DETAILS FOR SOME OF THOSE SMALLER THINGS, THE, UM, BRACKET THE STAIR RAIL AND THEN THERE'S A SERVICE YARD.

UM, THEY HAVE THE H A R B HAS ASKED THAT THEY PUT A SERVICE ROUND YARD AROUND THE EXISTING UNITS FOR THE H V A C ON THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE AS WELL.

SO THEY'RE TAKING CARE OF THAT AS A PORTION OF THIS.

AND THEN HERE'S A SECTION THROUGH THE WALL AS WELL AS THEIR WINDOW AND DOOR TABLE.

THEIR WINDOWS AND DOORS MATCH THOSE ON THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE.

UM, AS THE H P C, YOU ARE TO CONSIDER THE EIGHT REVIEW CRITERIA, WHICH ARE FOUND IN SECTION 3 18 3 OF A UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT ORDINANCE.

WHEN ASSESSING ITS CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS APPLICATION, YOU'RE AUTHORIZED TO APPROVE, APPROVE WITH CONDITIONS OR DENY THE APPLICATION BASED ON THOSE CRITERIA.

UM, TOWN STAFF HAS REVIEWED THIS APPLICATION AND FOUND THAT IT DOES IN FACT MEET THE REQUIREMENTS IN THAT SECTION AND RECOMMENDS APPROVAL IS SUBMITTED.

I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

AMANDA'S HERE ON BEHALF OF SHE ON THE SIDE OF ME THE PROJECT, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR HER, UM, OR SHE'D LIKE TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF THE PROJECT.

IS THERE ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS JUST TO MEET THE 10 FOOT SETBACK OFF THE PROPERTY LINE? SO, UH, MY ONLY COMMENT WAS THAT IT, IT SEEMS LIKE, UH, JUST HAVING TWO BRACKETS ON EACH SIDE OF THE ELEVATION IS A LITTLE BIT ANEMIC CONSIDERING HOW PROMINENT THE BRACKETS ARE ON THE, YOU KNOW, MAIN HOUSE.

I THINK IT'S TRYING TO JUST MIMIC THE ONES THAT THEY HAVE ON LIKE RIGHT, RIGHT.

AND I'M JUST, THERE'S JUST TWO AT EACH CORNER AND IT SEEMS LIKE THERE SHOULD BE AT LEAST A THIRD ONE, IF NOT A FOURTH ONE ON EACH SIDE, GIVEN HOW PROMINENT THAT IS ON THE HOUSE.

I MEAN, JUST ADD ONE IN THE MIDDLE, TWO IN THE MIDDLE IS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.

ONE OR TWO.

YEAH, I MEAN ONE I THINK WOULD WORK.

OH, AND THEN TWO ON THIS ELEVATION.

YES.

I KNOW YOU GUYS THINK ABOUT THAT.

THAT'S JUST MY THOUGHTS ON IT.

YES.

WELL, THE STRUCTURE IS SUBSERVIENT TO THE MAIN BUILDING.

I MEAN, I DON'T GO EITHER WAY, BUT THAT'S ALL.

YEAH, I WAS GONNA SAY WHAT WILL JUST SAID.

AND TWO, THERE IS A DOOR ON THE SECOND FLOOR, SO A BRACKET MIGHT GET KIND OF CLOSE TO THAT'S WHERE THEY'D WANNA DO TOO, BUT IT'S A DECORATIVE BRACKET, BUT STILL I DON'T WANT IT TO BE TOUCHING.

SO SOMEONE'S UP THERE TOUCHING IT.

YEAH, I THINK THERE ARE SOLUTIONS TO WORK AROUND THAT.

EITHER PUTTING TWO ON THAT SIDE OR DOING JUST THE, YOU KNOW, TOP PIECE ABOVE THE DOOR WHEN THE TOP PIECE INSTEAD OF, YOU KNOW, DOING A SHORTER BRACKET, SHALLOW MAKING RACK SHALLOW.

WELL THE ISSUE WITH THAT IS THE TABBY ROADS AIR, BUT THEY WERE VERY SPECIFIC ABOUT EVERYTHING MATCHING.

EXACTLY.

OKAY, WELL THEN I WOULD SUGGEST SLIDE THERE, SUGGEST THAT POTENTIALLY THAT IT WOULD BE BRACKETS EITHER SIDE OF THE DOOR, BUT I MEAN, IF NOBODY ELSE IS FEELING STRONGLY ABOUT IT, THAT WAS JUST, IT MAKES SENSE.

MY THOUGHTS ON IT.

IF YOU DO THAT, THEN IT WOULDN'T BE CONSISTENT AROUND BECAUSE LIKE ON THE REAR THEN WHERE WOULD YOU PUT THE BRACKET? AND THEN WHEN YOU DO THE SIDE, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN, LIKE YOU WOULDN'T HAVE A CONSISTENT RHYTHM AROUND.

I I COULD FOR YOU SAYING IT DOESN'T NEED TO BE CONSISTENT.

PERSONALLY, I COULD SEE ON THE, THE REAR ELEVATION, FOUR BRACKETS, THE FRONT ELEVATION, FOUR BRACKETS AND THE LEFT SIDE ELEVATION, FOUR BRACKETS.

BUT THEN WHEN YOU GET TO THE RIGHT SIDE, OR EXCUSE ME, THREE BRACKETS ON THOSE THREE SIDES AND THEN ON, ONCE YOU GET TO THE RIGHT SIDE, YOU'D HAVE FOUR BRACKETS.

SO IT'D KIND OF BE AN ODD SORT OF MIX AND, AND GETTING FOUR BRACKETS ON THE, THE REAR FRONT AND LEFT WOULD SEEM TO BE A CHALLENGE.

YOU KNOW, IT JUST IN, IN MY MIND, THE RHYTHM REALLY WOULDN'T BE THERE.

UM, SO I, MY OPINION WOULD JUST GO WITH THAT, SUBMIT IT.

SO, AND IT REALLY DOESN'T BOTHER ME EITHER BEING AS A SECONDARY STRUCTURE.

THERE'S, THERE SEEMS TO BE A BRACKET IN BETWEEN EVERY WINDOW, SO LIKE ON THE, ON THE MAIN ELEVATION.

SO YOU WOULD THINK YOU WOULD HAVE IT IN BETWEEN ON BOTH, LIKE SO THREE ON THIS ONE AND FOUR ON THIS ONE.

BUT THAT DOES KIND OF MAKE IT ODD.

SO I'LL

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SECOND, SECOND, THIRD.

ALL RIGHT.

SO WE NEED TO VOTE.

ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.

AYE.

AYE.

JUNE.

PERFECT.

OKAY.

THANK YOU SO MUCH.

NAILED IT.

ALL RIGHT, MY JOB'S OVER NOW.

THANK YOU, GARY.

ALL RIGHT.

WE HAVE OUR

[X.2. Certificate of Appropriateness: A request by Shifting Tides, LLC on behalf of the owner, May River Project, LLC, for a review of a Certificate of Appropriateness - HD to renovate the Contributing Resource, known as Nathaniel Brown's Cottage, to include enclosing the rear porch, replacing windows, renovating the front porch, and adding a side patio with ramp, and the renovation of the CMU Carriage House Structure to include removing the shed-roof side addition, and replacing windows and updating the structure. The site is located at 1268 May River Road, in the Old Town Bluffton Historic District and is zoned Neighborhood General - HD. (COFA-06-23-018141) (Staff - Katie Peterson)]

UM, YES, THIS IS A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, UM, A REQUEST BY SHIFTING TIDES L L C ON BEHALF OF THE OWNER MAY RIVER PROJECT L L C, FOR APPROVAL OF THE RE RENOVATION AND ADDITION TO THE CONTRIBUTING RESOURCE KNOWN AS THE NATA NATHANIEL BROWN COTTAGE TO ENCLOSE, OH MY GOODNESS GUYS, SORRY TO INCLUDE ENCLOSING THE REAR PORCH, REPLACING WINDOWS, RENOVATING THE FRONT PORCH, ADDING A SIDE PATIO WITH A RAMP, AND THE RENOVATION OF THE C M U CARRIAGE HOUSE STRUCTURE TO INCLUDE REMOVING THE SHED ROOFED SIDE ADDITION AND REPLACING WINDOWS AND UPDATING THE STRUCTURE IN A FEW OTHER WAYS.

THE SITE IS LOCATED AT 1268 MAY RIVER ROAD IN THE OLD TOWN, BLUFFTON HISTORIC DISTRICT AND A ZONED NEIGHBORHOOD GENERAL HD.

UM, THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE IS A CONTRIBUTING RESOURCE.

THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE IS NOT A CONTRIBUTING RESOURCE TO OUR HISTORIC DISTRICT.

SO, UM, WHILE THERE, THERE ARE TWO SETS OF CRITERIA.

WELL, ONE SET OF CRITERIA, BUT NOT ALL OF THE CRITERIA THAT APPLIES TO THE CONTRIBUTING RESOURCE APPLIES TO THE, THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE.

SO KEEP THAT IN MIND AS WE GO THROUGH THIS.

THIS IS A SITE PLAN.

UM, SO MAY RIVER ROAD IS ALONG THE FRONT OF THE SITE.

THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE IS RIGHT HERE UNDER THIS DARKER ROOF WITH THE PROPOSED SIDE PORCH ADDITION SHOWN HERE IN THE LIGHT, BECAUSE THERE IS NO ROOF OVER THAT.

THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE OR THE, THE C M U BLOCK BUILDING CARRIAGE HOUSE IS THIS STRUCTURE RIGHT HERE.

THIS IS THE EXISTING DRIVEWAY OFF OF MAY RIVER ROAD.

THE FRONT ELEVATION, SORRY GUYS.

THE FRONT ELEVATION, THE PICTURE AT THE TOP HERE IS WHAT IS CURRENTLY OR AS OF A WEEK OR SO AGO.

UM, THE CONDITIONS OF THIS STRUCTURE, THIS IS THE DRAWING VERSION OF THE EXISTING CONDITIONS OF THE STRUCTURE, AND THEN THE PROPOSED EX, THE PROPOSED CONDITION OF THE FRONT ELEVATION OF BOTH THE PRIMARY AND THE CARRIAGE HOUSE STRUCTURE.

UM, THIS STRUCTURE IS LOCATED HERE AT THE BOTTOM AS WELL, SO YOU CAN KIND OF SEE THE, UM, WHAT IS PROPOSED VERSUS WHAT CURRENTLY EXISTS.

SO THERE WAS AT ONE POINT A GARAGE DOOR IN THIS SPACE.

IT HAS BEEN GONE FOR MANY, MANY YEARS, AS LONG AS I'VE BEEN HERE AT LEAST.

AND THEN, UM, THE ONE THING THAT DEBBIE ACTUALLY BROUGHT TO MY ATTENTION, I, UM, LOOKED AT IT, I DIDN'T MENTION IT IN THE STAFF REPORT HERE, IS THAT THE WINDOW HERE IS NOT QUITE THE OPENING SIZE THAT IS SHOWN IN THEIR PROPOSED DRAWINGS.

SO, UM, CLARIFICATION ON WHICH CONDITION, AND IF IT IS THE SMALLER WINDOW, JUST HAVING IT SHOWN ON THE PLANS AS THE SIZE THAT IS CURRENTLY, THE CA THE CASING OPENING WOULD BE, UM, SOMETHING THAT WE COULD REQUEST.

UM, THIS IS THE EXISTING CONFIGURATION OF THE FRONT PORCH.

SO THE BAYS OF THE PORCH ALIGN.

THEY ARE PROPOSING TO CHANGE THEM FROM TWO BY FOURS, WHICH ARE OUT THERE, UM, TO A FOUR BY FOUR, WHICH WILL ACTUALLY SUPPORT STRUCTURALLY THE FRONT.

UM, THE, UM, CHAIR RAIL, WHICH IS NOT A STRUCTURAL REQUIREMENT, BUT IS TO MATCH THE EXISTING CONFIGURATION WITH THE CHAIR RAIL OR THE, UM, GUARDRAIL, I GUESS IS REALLY WHAT IT'D BE CALLED ON A FRONT PORCH HERE WOULD BE ADDED AS WELL.

AND THEN THEY'RE PROPOSING THE, UM, UNCOVERED PORCH AREA OFF TO THE SIDE HERE.

SO IT WOULD BE WOOD PANELS, UM, PORCH.

IT WOULD WOOD IN THE UNDERCROFT THERE SO THAT IT WOULD BE A LITTLE BIT LIGHTER THAN THE BRICKWORK ON THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE AND SET ITSELF APART FROM THAT STRUCTURE.

THE REAR ELEVATION IS, UM, PROPOSED HERE.

SO THIS IS WHAT IS CURRENTLY EXISTING.

THIS IS WHAT, UM, IS EXISTING WITHOUT THE PLYWOOD OVER IT.

AND THEN YOU'VE GOT THE PROPOSED, SO THIS IS WHERE THEY'RE PROPOSING TO ENCLOSE THAT PORCH.

THIS AREA, UM, WAS A LATER ADDITION TO THE STRUCTURE THAT HAS BEEN ENCLOSED PARTIALLY ALREADY, AND THEY'D BE PROPOSING TO ENCLOSE THE, THE OTHER HALF OF THAT REAR ADDITION.

UM, THE OTHER ITEM

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SO YOU CAN SEE KIND OF THAT WALL RIGHT HERE.

IT'S A LITTLE BIT HARD TO SEE IN THIS PICTURE, BUT THEN THIS IS THIS PORTION OF IT.

SO THE ANGLE THAT I WAS STANDING WHEN I TOOK THIS PHOTO WASN'T PERFECT.

UM, THIS IS THE PROPOSED REAR OF THE CARRIAGE HOUSE STRUCTURE.

THIS IS THE LEAN-TO THAT THEY'RE PROPOSING TO REMOVE WITH THE REAR OF THAT STRUCTURE HERE AS WELL.

UM, AGAIN, THESE WINDOWS AND THESE WINDOWS DON'T EXACTLY ALIGN AS TO WHAT THE PROPORTIONS OF THE WINDOWS ON THE STRUCTURE VERSUS WHAT'S EXISTING.

SO CLARIFICATION ON WHETHER THEY'RE PROPOSING TO INCREASE THE SIZE OF THAT OR TO LEAVE THEM AS IS, IS, IS NECESSARY THERE THE RIGHT ELEVATION.

THIS IS THE RIGHT ELEVATION OF THE STRUCTURE.

SO YOU'VE GOT THE, UM, EXISTING, I TOOK IT DOWN THE SIDE OF THE BUILDING, I'M SORRY, BUT IT DOES REFLECT WHAT IS SHOWN ON THE PLANS HERE AS WELL AS THE, UM, THAT'S, I'M SORRY, THAT'S THE CARRIAGE HOUSE.

SO THAT'S THIS ELEVATION RIGHT HERE.

THE WINDOWS ARE THIS SIZE ON THIS ELEVATION, AND THEN THE SIDE ELEVATION OF THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE AND WHAT IS PROPOSED.

SO IF YOU LOOK CAREFULLY ON THE SCREEN, IT'S REALLY HARD TO SEE IT.

SO I APOLOGIZE ON THIS SCREEN, BUT YOU CAN SEE THE YELLOW HIGHLIGHTED AREAS ALONG THE SOFFIT.

THAT IS WHERE THE, THE PROPOSED, UM, REPAIRS OF THE SOFFIT MATERIAL ARE BEING PROPOSED.

UM, SO THE BRICKWORK WILL STAY AS IT IS.

THE ROOF HAS BEEN REPLACED THAT WAS REPLACED UNDER A SITE FEATURE PERMIT A FEW YEARS AGO.

UM, AND THE MATERIAL OTHERWISE WILL REMAIN BESIDES THE NEW INFILL AREA THAT IS BEING PROPOSED.

SO THE STAIR WILL SHIFT AROUND THE CORNER.

THE REASON FOR THE STAIR SHIFT IS ACTUALLY A PORTION OF THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN THERE, UM, IN ORDER TO ALLOW FOR THE DRIVEWAY TO BE PASSABLE AT A, UM, IT'S NOT QUITE AT THE REGULATED WIDTH FOR A DRIVEWAY THAT WOULD ALLOW FOR PARKING BEHIND THE STRUCTURE.

UM, BUT IT IS MUCH CLOSER THAN IT COULD BE IF THERE WERE THE STAIRS THAT CAME OFF THIS SIDE OF THE STRUCTURE THERE AND THE PEDESTRIANS WOULD STEP RIGHT INTO THE FLOW OF TRAFFIC IF THE STAIRS REMAINED THERE.

SO, UM, THAT SHIFT WAS SOMETHING THAT STAFF HAD HAD REQUESTED FROM THE APPLICANT IF THEY WERE TO PROPOSE THIS STRUCTURE AS A COMMERCIAL USE, WHICH IS WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED HERE.

UM, SO IT'D BE OFFICE USE.

AND THEN THIS IS THE LEFT ELEVATION.

SO THE LEFT ELEVATION IS A LITTLE TRICKY BECAUSE THIS PORTION IS GOING TO GO AWAY.

IT IS THE SHED ROOFED, UM, LEAN-TO PORTION OF THE CARRIAGE HOUSE.

SO YOU'LL SEE THIS AREA HERE.

WHAT'S BEHIND THIS WALL IS A C M E BLOCK WALL.

SO THEY'RE NOT PROPOSING CHANGE TO THAT.

THEN THE SIDE ELEVATION HERE, SO YOU CAN SEE THIS IS WHERE THAT PORCH WILL BE PROPOSED IS RIGHT IN THIS SPACE HERE.

THE WINDOWS WILL BE RETURNED TO THE PANE CONFIGURATION THAT WAS ON THE STRUCTURE PRIOR TO THESE, UM, WINDOWS BEING PUT INTO THE BUILDING.

SO THESE ARE THE EXISTING CONDITION PHOTOS.

I'VE MADE A REALLY NICE COLLAGE HERE.

I THOUGHT YOU'D ENJOY MY ARTWORK.

UM, BUT YOU CAN SEE THESE ARE THE AREAS THAT ARE HIGHLIGHTED ON THOSE DRAWINGS IN YELLOW.

THIS IS A LOT EASIER TO SEE THAN THAT YELLOW HIGHLIGHTER MARK.

UM, BUT IT'S MOSTLY IN THE CORNERS.

A LOT OF THE REST OF THE AREA, UM, NEEDS TO BE SCRAPED AND REPAINTED, BUT IS IN FAIRLY DECENT SHAPE IN SOME OF THE PORTIONS OF IT.

IT CURRENTLY IS A PLYWOOD SOFFIT AND WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING TO REPLACE IT WITH IS A PLYWOOD SOFFIT, UM, IN THE SAME CONFIGURATION THAT IT IS BECAUSE PLYWOOD IS NOT A PERMITTED MATERIAL PER OUR U D O, IT IS UP TO THE H P C TO DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT THAT IS AN APPROPRIATE SUBSTITUTE.

STAFF HAS LOOKED AT IT AND UM, WOULD RECOMMEND THAT IT IS AS THEIR REST OF THE SOFFIT MATERIAL WOULD IS PLYWOOD AND IT WOULD MATCH THE CURRENT EXISTING CONDITIONS OF THE SOFFIT MATERIAL.

UM, AND THEN THERE'S ANOTHER COLLAGE.

I THOUGHT YOU COULD USE THREE PICTURES INSTEAD OF FOUR ON THIS ONE.

UM, SO THESE ARE THE CONDITIONS OF THE STRUCTURE, THE REASON THAT THE WINDOWS ARE BEING PROPOSED WITH THE HORIZONTAL LIGHT, THIS STRUCTURE.

UM, HISTORICALLY THE OPENINGS OF THIS STRUCTURE, EVERYTHING IS A KIND OF HORIZONTAL.

YOU SEE THE BRICK IS IN THE HORIZONTAL.

THERE'S NOT VERY MANY STRUCTURE, THERE ARE NOT VERY MANY STRUCTURES IN BLUFFTON THAT ARE OUR BRICK AS THE ORIGINAL MATERIAL HERE.

UM, AND YOU'VE GOT THE HORIZONTAL LINES WITH THAT, THE HOR HORIZONTAL LINES WITH THE WINDOWS AND THEN THE WOOD FRAMED PORCH AND THE WOOD FRAMED REAR ADDITION.

SO THIS IS WHAT IT LOOKED LIKE IN 2019 AND IN 2018, THESE ARE THE EXISTING CONDITIONS OF THE,

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SO YOU CAN SEE ON THE REAR ADDITION, THEY DID HAVE THOSE TWO OVER TWO WINDOWS ALREADY IN PLACE.

UM, THIS IS WHAT THAT OPENING LOOKED LIKE BEFORE THE PLYWOOD WENT UP.

AND THEN THE CONFIGURATION OF THE WINDOWS, THESE ARE OPEN AT THE TIME OF THIS PICTURE, SO IT DOES REPLICATE ON THE, THE BOTTOM PANE HERE.

SO ARE THEY GONNA CHANGE THE BACK WINDOWS TO DO THE HORIZONTAL SIDE BY SIDE OR ARE THEY GONNA LEAD THE TWO? THEY'RE BEING PROPOSED AS TO REMAIN AS TWO OVER TWO.

SO THEY'RE WANT TWO OVER TWO AND THEN THEY WANT THE HORIZONTAL AND THE OTHER ONES.

YES.

THE REVERTING BACK TO WHAT WAS ORIGINALLY THE HISTORIC CONFIGURATION, WHICH IS WHAT THE TRADITIONAL OPENINGS ARE AND WHAT GIVES THE BUILDING ITS CHARACTERISTICS.

VERTICAL ONES THAT WERE PUT IN WERE TEMPORARY TO SECURE THE BUILDING BECAUSE THE OTHER ONES WERE BROKEN, DIDN'T NECESSARILY CLOSE, THEY WEREN'T NECESSARILY APPROVED.

SO YES, UM, I'VE LOST ME.

HERE WE GO.

HERE ARE SOME SECTIONS.

THE SECTION OF THE RAMP SO THAT YOU CAN SEE HOW THAT WORKS WITH THE PORCH.

THAT'S IN ORDER TO GIVE IT THE A D A ACCESS THAT'S REQUIRED FOR, UM, CHANGING IT TO AN OFFICE USE AS WELL AS A SECTION THROUGH THE BUILDING.

AND THEN THEY PROVIDED A COUPLE RENDERINGS HERE FOR YOU, BUT THEY'RE NOT GONNA CHANGE THE WINDOWS OUT WITH THE, BUT THE RENDERINGS ARE SHOWING THEM CHANGED.

NO, THE WINDOWS WILL BE REVERTED TO THE HISTORIC CONFIGURATION TO REFLECT THE CHARACTER OF THE HISTORIC STRUCTURE.

SO THEY'RE GONNA REPLACE ALL THE OTHER WINDOWS? YES.

THE ONES ON THE BACK ELEVATION ARE THE ONES THAT ARE NOT PROPOSED TO BE MODIFIED.

THESE WILL BE REVERTED TO THE HISTORICALLY ACCURATE WINDOWS OR HISTORICALLY APPROPRIATE WINDOWS FOR THIS STRUCTURE.

AND THEN THIS IS THE SIDE THAT HAS THE RAMP, SO YOU CAN SEE HOW THAT WILL FIT ONTO THE STRUCTURE.

HERE'S THE WINDOW AND DOOR DETAILS.

SO YOU'VE GOT, THIS IS THE WINDOW ONE IS THE ONE THAT IS ON THE REAR ELEVATION, UM, ON THE ADDITION.

AND THEN THESE HORIZONTAL PANED WINDOWS MATCH THE, UM, ONES THAT WERE IN PLACE AT BEFORE THE WINDOWS WENT AWAY.

WHERE'S NUMBER SIX? WHERE'S SIX? THAT'S ON THE, THE HOUSE OR THE BAR? THE BARBER SHOP.

WAS THAT WHAT THAT USED TO BE? LET'S SEE.

I BELIEVE IT WAS A, OH, I CAN'T FIND IT.

OH, IT'S THIS ONE RIGHT HERE.

HMM.

OOPS, SORRY.

IT LOOKS DIFFERENT.

NO, IT'S NOT.

THAT'S DIFFERENT.

YEAH, THAT'S A, SO THIS ONE IS NOT ON ANY OF THE ELEVATIONS CURRENTLY.

SO THAT'S, IT IS LIKELY A TYPO HERE.

YEAH, THAT SECTION SHOULD BE, UM, THE CENTER GRID SHOULD BE TAKEN.

ANDREW PETES IS HERE AS, UM, A REPRESENTATIVE OF THE PROJECT.

I, I'D BE HAPPY TO HAVE HIM ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE AS WELL.

I'LL FINISH THE LAST COUPLE SLIDES HERE AND THEN, UM, PUT IT ON YOUR WAY.

SO THIS IS THE ANDERSON 400 SERIES DOUBLE-HUNG WINDOW.

UM, THE PICTURE , I'VE PUT AN ASTERISK NEXT TO IT.

THE PICTURE THAT IS HERE IS JUST A PICTURE FROM THE WEBSITE.

UM, HE DID BRING IN A SAMPLE FOR US TO TAKE A LOOK AT THE, THE WINDOW MATERIAL THERE.

UM, AS I INDICATED IN THE STAFF REPORT, THE ANDERSON 400 SERIES, DOUBLE-HUNG WINDOW TILT, WASH DOUBLE-HUNG WINDOW, UM, DOESN'T CURRENTLY SHOW THE ABILITY TO HAVE THE MUTTONS AND THE PATTERN THAT IS BEING PROPOSED.

HOWEVER, THERE IS A CAVEAT ON THEIR WEBSITE THAT SAYS IF YOU SKETCH THE WINDOW PANE CONFIGURE OR THE MUTTON CONFIGURATION FOR US, WE WILL BE ABLE TO CREATE THAT FOR YOU.

SO I'VE JUST PUT IN THE STAFF REPORT THAT IF THAT IS NOT ABLE TO HAPPEN BASED ON THEIR SKETCH, WHEN THEY GO TO ORDER THESE WINDOWS, THEY WILL NEED TO COME BACK AND TALK TO STAFF BEFORE THEY, UM, SELECT A DIFFERENT WINDOW TYPE TO PUT INTO, UM, HERE OR A DIFFERENT BRAND WINDOW TO PUT INTO IT.

BECAUSE THESE HAVE BEEN REVIEWED FOR, UM, CONFORMANCE WITH OUR ORDINANCE.

AND THEN THIS IS THE LANDSCAPE PLAN.

SO THERE ARE, UM, A HANDFUL OF LIVE OAKS THAT ARE BEING PLANTED.

THIS IS THE, UM, GROUND COVER FOR YOUR FOUNDATION PLANTINGS CURRENTLY BECAUSE THERE'S NO, THERE'S GRASS OUT THERE ALREADY AND THERE ARE SOME PLANTINGS THAT ARE ALREADY OUT THERE.

THEY'RE FAIRLY MINIMAL AT THIS POINT.

UM, THE REQUIREMENTS ARE FAIRLY MINIMAL BESIDES THE CANOPY COVERAGE AND HAVING STREET TREES WHICH HAVE BEEN INSTALLED HERE.

BUT, UM, THIS ISN'T A NEW CONSTRUCTION, SO THEY'RE NOT CLEARING THE SITE, THEY'RE MAINTAINING THE SITE AS IT CURRENTLY IS.

BUT THIS IS THE BIG OAK THAT WE ARE PROTECTING AT THE CORNER OF THE LOT HERE.

AND THEN THERE'S A COUPLE AT THE REAR TOO.

THIS IS A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS.

SO THE H P C IS AUTHORIZED TO APPROVE THE APPLICATION AS SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT, APPROVE THE APPLICATION WITH CONDITIONS OR

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UM, OOPS, SORRY.

THE FIRST IS THE CONFIGURATION OF THE WINDOWS, IF IT'S UNABLE TO BE MET, THEN BRINGING ALTERNATE WINDOW TO THE TOWN STAFF TO TAKE A LOOK AT IT BEFORE IT IS APPROVED OR BEFORE IT IS INSTALLED.

AND THEN THE SECOND ONE IS TO DETERMINE THE APPROPRIATENESS OF THE PLYWOOD FOR THE SOFFIT REPAIRS, WHICH MATCHES THE EXISTING MATERIAL, BUT IS NOT PERMITTED SPECIFICALLY BY 5 15 6 OF OUR UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT ORDINANCE.

I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT I CAN.

THE APPLICANT IS HERE TO HOPEFULLY BE ABLE TO ANSWER ANYTHING THAT I CANNOT OR TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF THE PROJECT IF YOU'D LIKE TO OPEN THE FLOOR UP TO HIM AS WELL.

DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? YEAH, I, FOR ONE, WOULD LIKE ALL THE WINDOWS TO MATCH AND NOT HAVE THREE, TWO OVER TWO IN THE HORIZONTAL, THE REST OF THE BUILDING DO WE WANT THE APPLICANT TO SPEAK? UM, PART OF SOME OF THE DISCUSSIONS THAT WE HAD IS SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WERE ADDED TO THE BUILDING NEED TO HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF A DIFFERENT LOOK.

SO SINCE THAT HAD THAT LOOK PREVIOUS WE'RE WE'RE KIND OF GOING BACK AND REFLECTING, UM, WHAT IT WAS BEFORE.

SO, UH, PREVIOUSLY IT WAS, IT WAS THE HOUSE HAD HAD THAT SAME CONFIGURATION.

UM, AND THEN, UM, SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE WERE DISCUSSING ORIGINALLY, WE, WE CAME IN WITH A, LIKE A BRICK ON THE RAMP AND THEY WANTED IT TO HAVE A LITTLE DIFFERENT PEEL BECAUSE IT'S A, AN ADDITION TO.

SO, YOU KNOW, WE JUST KIND OF KEPT THAT SAME FEEL ON THE BACK TO KEEP THAT DIFFERENT BECAUSE IT WAS AN ADDITION TO KEEP THE HISTORIC, THE HISTORIC OF WHAT IT ORIGINALLY WAS.

SO, AND THAT'S, I MEAN, THAT'S REALLY WHY WE DETERMINED, UH, TO, TO DO THE WINDOWS THE WAY THEY WERE.

BUT THERE'S JUST THREE THAT ARE TWO OVER TWO AND THE REST ARE ALL HORIZONTAL.

SO THERE IS, IT WOULD BE EVERYTHING IN THE BACK ON THAT BACK, UH, ONE ON THE BACK OFFSET.

WHAT ADDITION? YEAH, THAT BACK WOOD, IT UH, PORCH, BASICALLY ENCLOSED PORCH.

UM, THERE'S, THERE'S ACTUALLY 1, 2, 3, THE, I THINK THERE MIGHT BE, THERE'S GONNA BE A NEW ONE ON THE SIDE OVER HERE ON, UH, WHERE THE SCREENED IN AREA IS, WHERE THERE'S A DOOR.

SO THIS ONE HERE IS WHY.

OKAY.

SO YEAH, SO THAT ONE IS EXISTING AND THEN THERE'S GONNA BE A NEW ONE THAT WOULD BE PUT ON, ON THE OTHER SIDE WHERE THE DOOR IS NOW THE ARCHITECT HERE.

I THINK THERE'S JUST A LITTLE BIT OF MISCOMMUNICATION ON THAT ONE.

RIGHT? SO THAT ONE, EVERYTHING ON THAT BACK WAS SUPPOSED TO BE CONSISTENT WITH, WITH WHAT'S ON THE BACK.

THAT ONE ACTUALLY SHOULD NOT BE A HORIZONTAL, BE A HORIZONTAL BECAUSE THEN THE, THE BACK WOULD, THE NEW ADDITION WOULD NOT, UM, HAVE ALL THE DIFFERENT, SO THAT'S THE, THE CONVERSATION THAT I HAD WAS TO HAVE EVERYTHING MATCHED ON THE NEW ADDITION AND EVERYTHING TO BE THE SAME ON THE EX EXISTING CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE.

OKAY.

AND THEN THE, THE LAST ONE THAT WAS THE FOUR OVER FOUR.

THAT'S NOT IN THAT I, YEAH.

OKAY.

WE MADE A CHANGE ON, WE MADE A CHANGE ON THE EXISTING C M U BUILDING ORIGINALLY WE HAD HAD, UM, HARDY ON IT AND I THINK WHEN HE MADE THE CHANGE, I THINK FOR SOME REASON HE, HE MUST HAVE ALTERED THE SIZE OF THOSE WINDOWS BECAUSE THEY, I, I THINK ORIGINALLY THEY WERE ALL WHAT WAS EXISTING.

SO THE, THE PROPOSAL WOULD BE TO PUT EVERYTHING BACK IN THE HOLE INSTEAD OF CUTTING THE C M U, YOU KNOW, SO EVERYTHING WILL BE A TWO OVER TWO AS YOU'RE SEEING IT ON THE HORIZONTAL TWO TWO C M U.

YEAH.

AND THEN THE, THE PROPOSED WILL BE TO KEEP EVERYTHING HORIZONTAL ON THE MAIN CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE AND THEN EVERYTHING ON THAT BACK PIECE, THAT'S, THAT'S AN ADDITION THAT WAS NEW TO THE BUILDING TO BE A TWO TWO, I THINK IS WHAT, IT'S TWO OR TWO WITH THE VERTICAL.

YEAH.

OKAY.

AND I MEAN, THAT'S HOW WE CAME UP WITH IT WAS THE, THE CONCEPT OF KIND OF KEEPING THE HISTORIC WHAT, NOT TRYING TO MAKE THE NEW STUFF LOOK LIKE THE OLD, IF THAT MAKES SENSE.

YEAH.

SO YOU HAVE A DISTINCTION BETWEEN THOSE TWO THINGS.

OKAY.

WELL, WITH DIFFERENT, WITH THE, THE HARDY OR THE SIDING AND THE BRICK, IT'S STILL GOT THAT HORIZONTAL ELEMENT.

AND I THINK WHAT HE'S SAYING IS THAT'S, THAT'S INCORRECT IN THAT DRAWING THAT I KNOW HE WANTS TO DO THAT TWO OVER TWO.

YEAH, THE TWO VERTICAL.

I'M SAYING THEY'RE SAYING HORIZONTAL BECAUSE THE BRICK IS RUNNING THIS WAY, EVERYTHING'S RUNNING THIS WAY.

WELL, SIDING IS STILL RUNNING THIS WAY.

SO THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN YOU'RE CHANGING IT TO THIS WAY.

YEAH.

AND I THINK THE BIGGER, THE BIGGER GOAL THERE IS TO SHOW EVOLUTION OF THE HOUSE, RIGHT? SO THERE'S THE MAIN PORTION, WHICH IS THE BRICK MASS, AND THEN THE ADDITION, WHICH WAS LATER IN SIDING ON THE BACK, WHICH WOULD HAVE A DIFFERENT TYPE OF WINDOW.

AND THEN THE, THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE IS ITS OWN THING.

LIKE ONE OF THE WAYS WE'RE, WE'RE TRYING TO PRESERVE SOME OF THAT SIMILAR LOOK IS WHEN WE TAKE THAT

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SO LIKE IF YOU LOOK AT THE REAR ELEVATION, SEE THAT THIS PIECE, DO YOU MIND IF I WALK OVER HERE AND YOU CAN SHOW YOU, SO THIS, THIS, THIS, SHE'S GOT A LASER.

THERE YOU GO.

WELL IT MIGHT, IT WORKS TODAY.

THERE'S A LEAN TO THAT GOES A LEAN TO THAT'S CONNECTED TO THAT.

SO WE'RE GONNA TAKE THE MATERIAL OFF THE LEAN TO OH, ON THE, ON THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE.

YEAH.

THESES DON'T SHOW UP ON TV.

OH, THERE, YEAH.

SO YOU HOLD THAT DOWN.

SO LET'S SEE.

OKAY, SO SEE THE C M U, THIS IS A LEAN TOOTH ON THAT, THAT'S PROPOSED TO GET REMOVED AND THEN THAT'LL BE THE DRIVEWAY THAT COMES IN.

SO THE GOAL WILL BE TO TAKE THAT MATERIAL OFF AND THEN WHEN WE ADD THE MATERIAL BACK TO THE BACK WHERE THE, LET'S JUST CALL IT LIKE THE ORIGINAL EXTENSION OR ADDITION TO THAT, WE'RE GONNA TAKE THAT MATERIAL AND ADD IT TO THE BACK TO TRY TO MAKE IT MATCH WHAT THE EXISTING MATERIAL IS.

OKAY.

SO THEN WE TRULY HAVE KIND OF THE EVOLUTION OF LIKE, THIS IS THE MAIN STRUCTURE THAT WAS THERE IN THE BEGINNING.

AND THEN YOU'VE GOT THIS ADDITION THAT THAT WAS PUT ON WITH THAT KIND OF MATERIAL THAT'LL, THAT'LL MATCH.

AND THEN A DIFFERENT WINDOW THAT WAS EXISTING.

THIS WAS AN EXISTING WINDOW, UM, LIKE THE, THE TWO OVER TWO NOT HORIZONTAL IS EX IS WAS CURRENTLY AS IS.

SO GET THE WINDOWS BACK TO ORIGINAL AND THE MAIN STRUCTURE AND THEN GET THE, UH, ADDITION BACK TO THE ORIGINAL, UM, WITH A LITTLE TWEAK OF THE, THE DOORS AND FLIPPING THE DOOR AROUND SO THAT WE CAN, WHEN WAS THE ADDITION DONE? I MEAN, WHY WOULDN'T THEY HAVE, I I I GUESS IT'S JUST BUGGING ME THAT THE WINDOWS AREN'T MATCHING.

I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING TO MAKE IT LOOK LIKE A NEW AND AN ADDITION, BUT I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY.

LOOK, THEY WOULDN'T HAVE JUST KEPT IT RUNNING THROUGH.

SO, SO I MEAN, TO ME, I WAS KIND OF, I WAS KIND OF IN THE SAME POSITION YOU WERE WHEN I CAME HERE.

I, OR WHEN I CAME TO THE TOWN, I SAID, HEY, LET'S MAKE EVERYTHING LOOK THE SAME, RIGHT? SO LET'S GO IN AND I PROPOSED LIKE THE, THE, UM, THE, THE DO, UH, WHEELCHAIR RAMP TO BE THE SAME, RIGHT? SO I WAS KIND OF GOING WITH THE SAME CONCEPT.

WELL, THAT'S NOT ACTUALLY HOW THEY WANT IT TO END UP.

YOU WANT, YOU KNOW, FROM WHAT IT SOUNDED LIKE, WE WANT THE, THE EVOLUTION LIKE HE WAS TALKING ABOUT TO, TO HAVE IT BE DIFFERENT.

SO, UM, SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE PROPOSING WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING TO.

SO YOU CAN LITERALLY SEE THE EVOLUTION OF THAT BUILDING, WHAT YOU'RE, YOU'RE STAYING WITH THE DEPARTMENT OF INTERIOR'S, UH, PROTOCOL, RIGHT? FOR AN EXISTING STRUCTURE.

RIGHT.

AND HAVING A NEW ELEMENT ADDED, IF IT'S DIFFERENT, KEEP IT DIFFERENT.

RIGHT.

SO YOU CAN MAKE A D DETERMINATION BETWEEN THE TWO THINGS.

THIS IS EXISTING, THIS WAS NOT EXISTING, IT WAS ADDED AT A PERIOD OF TIME LATER IN DATE.

RIGHT.

SO, BUT IT'S, SORRY, WHAT YOU, WHAT YOU JUST SAID WITH REGARDS TO GOING BACK TO WINDOW TALK THAT, UM, THAT WINDOW THAT YOU'RE ADDING ON THE BACK THAT DOESN'T, ON THE EXISTING STRUCTURE, THAT DOESN'T CURRENTLY EXIST RIGHT NOW, THERE'S JUST A PIPE STICKING OUT OF THE WALL THAT, THAT SHOULD NOT BE THERE EITHER.

THAT, AND I'M, I'M SORRY, I DON'T KNOW WHERE HE CAME UP WITH THAT WINDOW.

'CAUSE I'M NOT, I DON'T WANT TO CUT ANY NEW HOLES IN THE, IN THE YEAH, I THINK THERE'S WINDOW GOES AWAY.

SO YEAH, SO WHEN YOU DO AN, UM, HE HAD AN ORIGINAL PLAN AND ON THAT ORIGINAL PLAN HE'S LOOKING DOWN ON IT LIKE THIS, A FLOOR PLAN AND I THINK HE CAUGHT THAT WINDOW AND THAT WINDOW IS ACTUALLY ON THE INSIDE OF THE BUILDING WHERE THOSE THREE WINDOWS ARE.

SO I THINK HE SAW THAT AS A WINDOW ON THE EXTERIOR WHEN IN, IN ALL REALITY IT'S ACTUALLY, IT'S, IT'S ACTUALLY ON THE INSIDE OF WHERE THOSE THREE WINDOWS ARE.

SO THERE'S NO, IT'S LIKE WHERE THAT THERE'S A PIPE COMING OUT OF THE WALL.

YEAH, THAT PIPE, I DIDN'T EVEN, YOU KNOW, THIS, THIS IS THE RIGHT OF THE DOOR.

YEAH.

SO THIS WINDOW RIGHT HERE IS NOT EXISTENT AND WILL NOT BE ADDED.

GOT IT.

UNLESS YOU SAY, HEY ANDREW, WE'RE NOT GONNA PASS YOU UNLESS YOU ADD THAT WINDOW.

AND I'LL SAY, OKAY, WELL I'LL PROBABLY DO IT.

BUT, UM, BUT SEE THAT WINDOW RIGHT THERE IS ACTUALLY ON THE INSIDE IN HERE.

YES.

BUT WHEN HE LOOKED AT THE FLOOR PLAN, I THINK FROM A, FROM A TOP VIEW, I THINK HE THOUGHT THAT THAT WAS ON THE OUTSIDE OF THE STRUCTURE.

SO THE INSIDE, SO YOU'RE NOT ADDING A WINDOW TO SEE, SO I'M NOT ADDING A WINDOW THERE.

YOU CAN SEE THAT IN ONE OF THE EXISTING IMAGES THAT THE WINDOW YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT LOOKS ON OUT ONTO THAT NEW PORT.

RIGHT.

IT'S NOT RIGHT.

SO I FEEL LIKE MAYBE HE GOT A LITTLE CONFUSED ON THAT, THAT THAT WINDOW AND THEN ON THE BACKSIDE WHERE HE WAS ADDING THE NEW ONE, I THINK HE WAS JUST TAKING THE RHYTHM OF THE HOUSE ALONG THE BACK, BUT THE PROPOSED WINDOW SHOULD BE ALL THE SAME ON THE OUTSIDE.

WHAT WAS THE KITCHEN? UM, ADDITION PORCH AND

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AND THEY HAVE, YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE A, A CONCRETE SEAL THAT THAT GOES AROUND THERE.

SO IT MAKES SENSE TO KEEP EVERYTHING INSTEAD OF STARTING TO CUT INTO THAT C M U BLOCK BUILDING CHANGE, ALL THAT.

SO I'D SAY IT'S A LITTLE BIT OF A CHALLENGE ON THE ACCESSORY BUILDING LOOKING AT THOSE WINDOWS VERSUS THE WINDOWS THAT ARE JUST GONNA BE TAKEN OUT AND PUT BACK IN THE SAME HOLE.

EXACTLY.

YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING.

YEAH.

WELL IT'S NOT HARD.

IT'S JUST YEAH, I, THEY DON'T MATCH EITHER, IN MY OPINION THAT THE WAY THE, THE WAY LIKE WHEN YOU LOOKED AT THE FRONT, THE GARAGE, SO THE, THE EXISTING WINDOWS ARE TO STAY THE EXISTING SIZE.

RIGHT.

OKAY.

SO, AND I CAN, I CAN GO THROUGH AND RED LINE THAT SO YOU KNOW, EVERY, EVERYTHING, EVERYBODY'S CLEAR ON THAT.

BUT UM, 'CAUSE LIKE IF WE GO TO THE ELEVATION WHERE YOU WERE SEEING THE GARAGE DOOR, I DON'T THINK IT MATCHES WELL WHEN YOU HAVE THE GARAGE DOOR, YOU HAVE THE DOOR AND THEN YOU HAVE LIKE AN OVERSIZED WINDOW IN THAT SMALL SPACE.

IT FITS BETTER AS IT CURRENTLY IS.

AND I, AND I COMPLETELY AGREE WITH THAT.

SO ANY IDEA WHY THE BATTENS WERE ADDED ON THE SIDING ON, ON THE SCREEN PORCH ON THE BACK, YOU KNOW, THE PATTERNS IF, UM, THAT IMAGE RIGHT THERE.

OH, OKAY.

SO THE SIDE OF THE DOOR AND THEN THE SIDE BECAUSE, BECAUSE IN THE ORIGINAL IT HAD OPENINGS THERE BECAUSE IT WAS A SCREENED IN PORCH, RIGHT.

THAT WAS TREATED LIKE THE FRONT.

SO TREATING IT LIKE, LIKE TO BRING IT BACK TO WHAT THE ORIGINAL STATE OF IT WHERE THEY, THEY WANT, THEY, THEY PROPOSE THAT WE BRING THAT TO YOU WITH A BATTEN LOOK TO GIVE YOU AN OPENING LOOK OF WHERE IT USED TO BE.

DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? SO WHEN WE ROUND THE CORNER, SAME THING, WE HAVE THAT OPEN LOOK OF THE OLD PREVIOUS SCREEN PORCH AND THOSE COULD END AT THE DOOR HEIGHT IF THAT'S, YEAH, I WOULD REALLY RATHER SEE THAT WALL FRAMED INSIDE OF THE ORIGINAL, YOU KNOW, SCREEN POST.

AND SO YOU ACTUALLY SEE THE SCREEN POST EXPRESSED ON THE EXTERIOR RATHER THAN JUST THESE THIN LITTLE BATTENS.

I THINK THAT WOULD BE MORE CONSISTENT WITH THE CHARGE THAT ANY ADDITIONS TO THE BUILDING BE SOMETHING THAT COULD BE REMOVED WITHOUT AFFECTING THE HISTORIC CHARACTER AND, AND IT WOULD, YOU KNOW, LEAVE THE INTEGRITY OF THE STRUCTURE.

I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE, IS THE ENTIRE BUILDING A CONTRIBUTING RESOURCE OR WAS THE ADDITION ON THE BACK AND THE ACCESSORY OR NOT NOT INCLUDED IN THE CONTRIBUTING RESOURCE.

I GUESS THE QUESTION'S FOR GLENN, THE STRUCTURE WITH THE ENCLOSED PORCH IN ITS ENTIRETY IS THE CONTRIBUTING PIECE.

OKAY.

THE ACCESSORY BUILDING IS NOT CONTRIBUTING.

OKAY.

SO THE ENTIRE MAIN BUILDING IS CONTRIBUTING, RIGHT.

WITH THAT INCLUDED ADDITION LATER ADDITION INCLUDED, YES.

OKAY.

AND THOSE VERTICAL LIGHT WINDOWS ON THE BACK PIECE WERE THERE ORIGINALLY.

RIGHT? RIGHT.

BUT YEAH, I MEAN I, I FEEL LIKE THAT THE, THE PORCH HEADER THAT'S BEHIND THAT PLYWOOD AND THE ORIGINAL COLUMN SHOULD KIND OF REMAIN AND THEN THE WALL BE FRAMED, YOU KNOW, INSIDE YOU LOSE LIKE FOUR INCHES ON THE INTERIOR, BUT THE WALL FRAMED INSIDE OF THAT, THAT YOU REALLY EXPRESSED IT BECAUSE THOSE, THOSE BAT REALLY, I THINK IT WAS TWO BY FOUR BEFORE.

YEAH.

SO IT WAS A TWO BY FOUR AND THOSE BATTENS ARE GONNA BE, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE GONNA SIT ON THE WRONG SIDE OF THE FOUNDATION.

IT'S GONNA LOOK REAL WEIRD 'CAUSE IT'S JUST GONNA BE APPLIED TO THE OUTSIDE.

JUST LIKE DECORATIVE, JUST INSTEAD OF LIKE THE ORIGINAL SCREEN FOR RIGHT.

EVER.

ANYBODY HAVE ANY MORE QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT NOW? IS THERE A COMMENT ON MAYBE WHAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE A LITTLE DIFFERENT ON THAT? I'M OPEN BECAUSE I MEAN, REAL HONESTLY, I'M NOT MARRIED TO THAT IDEA.

I WAS JUST TRYING TO KIND OF FOLLOW THE GUIDELINES OF WHAT WAS THERE.

SO I MEAN, YOU KNOW, REALLY LIKE TO GIVE IT THAT VISUAL LOOK OF WHAT WAS EXISTING.

YOU COULD MAKE THE, THE COLUMNS IN THE BACK MATCH THE ONES IN THE FRONT.

SO IF WE DID LIKE A FOUR BY FOUR AND THEN JUST ENCLOSED ON THE INSIDE AND THEN DID A LITTLE, LIKE A, A LITTLE BIT OF A SET IN.

RIGHT.

EXACTLY.

I THINK THAT WOULD BE, THAT'D BE FINE WITH A LOT MORE SUCCESSFUL THAT IT READS AS AN OLDER PORCH.

RIGHT? YEAH.

YEAH, I'D BE FINE WITH THAT.

SO FOUR BY FOUR COLUMNS WHERE THE EXISTING BATTEN IS, AND THEN DO YOU WANT THAT COLUMN TO GO ALL THE WAY UP OR STOP AT THE HEADER? STOP AT THE HEADER, KEEP THE HEADER AND EVERYTHING.

THAT ALMOST MIGHT SUGGEST A SIX BY FOUR IF YOU CAN FIND ONE.

SO THE NEW WALL IS INSET.

YEAH, INSET.

SO IT READS LIKE, HEY, IT'S IN FILLED.

YEAH, I GUESS THE, YEAH, THE ULTIMATE INTENT WOULD BE TO BE, WOULD BE TO HAVE THE REAR PORCH IF YOU WERE TO REMOVE THOSE WALL LOOK LIKE THE FRONT PORCH.

OKAY.

RIGHT.

UM, AND IS THE, SO I MEAN LIKE ONE OF THE THINGS WE COULD DO IS FOUR BY FOUR POSTS ON THE OUTSIDE AND JUST ADD ON THE INSIDE WHERE WE'RE CLOSING THAT UP.

SO I THINK THAT WE COULD STILL GIVE IT THAT LOOK, HAVE A LITTLE INSET SO IT MAKES SENSE.

AND THEN, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT SITTING, LIKE HE WAS SAYING ON THE OUTSIDE OF THAT

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IS THE, IS THE DOOR TALLER THAN THE WINDOWS OR IS IT THE HEADER OR THE WINDOWS ARE JUST LOW? IT'S, IT, THE DOOR IS A SIX EIGHT.

SO THAT'S THE HEADERS ARE JUST THE EXISTING CONDITIONS ON THAT THOUGH ALSO WERE HIGHER THAN THE YEAH, ON THE LEFT.

OKAY.

THE, WHILE YOU'RE STILL HERE, THE, THE USE OF THE CARRIAGE HOUSE, IS THAT ALSO, UH, OFFICE SPACE? YEAH, THAT'LL BE, UH, COMMERCIAL.

YEAH.

SO THAT, THAT GLASS DOOR MAKES SENSE SERVING AS LIKE A, A STOREFRONT SORT OF SITUATION.

RIGHT.

YEP.

COOL.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I GUESS WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT THE USE OF PLYWOOD AS UM, A MATERIAL FOR THE SOFFIT.

DOES ANYBODY HAVE THOUGHTS? I THINK IT'S EXISTING THAT, YOU KNOW, IT'S THE SMALL PIECES THAT THEY'RE REPLACING TO JUST MATCH WHAT'S EXISTING.

THEY NEED TO REDO THE WHOLE S UH, I WOULD AGREE.

I MEAN, IT'D BE ASKING THE APPLICANT TO TAKE ON A FINANCIAL BURDEN THAT DOESN'T NECESSARILY NEED TO BE DONE AND HE, WE'D LIKE THE MATERIAL OF A MATCH.

AND IN THIS INSTANCE, THE U D O HASN'T CAUGHT UP WITH THE AGE OF THIS BUILDING BECAUSE WE'RE, THE U D O IS FOR STUFF BACK IN 18 HUNDREDS.

THIS BUILDING IS BUILT IN LIKE 1950 OR SOMETHING, BUT STILL THE DATE OF IT EQUALS A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE.

THUS THAT'S WHAT THEY USED AT THE TIME.

THEY BUILT IT WITH PLYWOOD.

NOW PLYWOOD BEING UH, APPLIED TO A HOME BUILT IN 1920 WOULD NOT BE APPROPRIATE.

BUT IN THIS INSTANCE, IN MY MIND IT WOULD BE AN APPROPRIATE USE OF MATERIAL TO IT'S MATCH AND SAME BLANKET MATERIAL THAT'S EXISTED.

MAKES SENSE.

YEAH, I WAS GONNA ARGUE IF, IF IT WAS A SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT THAT WAS GONNA BE REPLACED, I'D PROBABLY ARGUE TO REPLACE IT WITH SOMETHING THAT'S A LITTLE MORE DURABLE.

IT'S STILL YEAH.

OF A HISTORIC NATURE, BUT SINCE IT'S ONLY A FEW AREAS, I THINK IT MAKES SENSE TO, AND WE, WE KIND OF THOUGHTFULLY DISCUSSED THAT TOO, THAT IF WE GET IN THERE, YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES YOU'RE GETTING IN THERE AND YOU'RE STARTING TO DO A REPLACEMENT AND YOU'RE LIKE, YOU KNOW, IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO SALVAGE THIS.