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CAPTIONING PROVIDED BY BUFORT COUNTY ORDER THIS WEDNESDAY, SEPTEMBER[I. CALL TO ORDER]
THE 27TH.MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? CHAIRWOMAN AMANDA JACKSON DENMARK.
HERE, VICE CHAIRMAN CHARLIE WHITMORE.
[III. NOTICE REGARDING ADJOURNMENT]
NOTICE REGARDING ADJOURNMENT.THE PLANNING COMMISSION WILL NOT HEAR NEW ITEMS AFTER 9:30 PM UNLESS AUTHORIZED BY A MAJORITY VOTE OF THE COMMISSION MEMBERS PRESENT ITEMS WHICH HAVE NOT BEEN HEARD BEFORE NINE 30 MAY BE CONTINUED TO THE NEXT REGULAR MEETING OR A SPECIAL MEETING DATE AS DETERMINED BY THE COMMISSION MEMBERS NOTICE REGARDING
[IV. NOTICE REGARDING PUBLIC COMMENTS]
PUBLIC COMMENTS.EVERY MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC WHO IS RECOGNIZED TO SPEAK SHALL ADDRESS THE CHAIRMAN.
AND IN SPEAKING, AVOID DISRESPECT TO THE COMMISSION STAFF OR OTHER MEMBERS OF THIS MEETING.
STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS WHEN SPEAKING FOR THE RECORD, COMMENTS ARE LIMITED TO THREE MINUTES.
DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS? WE HAVE NO PUBLIC COMMENTS.
[V. ADOPTION OF THE AGENDA]
THE AGENDA MOVED? DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND.ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR A.
[VI. ADOPTION OF MINUTES]
MAY I HAVE AN ADOPTION OF THE MINUTES? ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.[IX.1. JC’s Cove Recreation Center (Development Plan)]
NEW BUSINESS AND I HAVE TO RECUSE MYSELF SO CHARLIE WILL TAKE OVER.FIRST ITEM ON THE AGENDA FOR NEW BUSINESS IS JC COVE, JCS COVE RECREATION CENTER DEVELOPMENT PLAN, A REQUEST BY NATHAN STIR OF STIR ENGINEER.
AM I SAYING THAT RIGHT? STRY OF STRY ENGINEERING ON BEHALF OF THE PROPERTY OWNER JAMES SABBA, FOR APPROVAL OF A PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN APPLICATION, THE PROJECT PROPOSES CONSTRUCTION OF A 2,786 SQUARE FOOT RECREATION BUILDING TO SERVE THE SIX SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCES AT JCS CO.
THE PROPERTY IS ZONED AGRICULTURE AND CONSISTS OF 1.53 ACRES IDENTIFIED BY TAX MAP NUMBER AS STATED IN THIS, LOCATED ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF MAY RIVER ROAD, APPROXIMATELY 1200 FEET EAST OF BUCK ISLAND ROAD.
MR. FRAZIER? CHARLIE, CHARLIE, I WAS JUST BRINGING UP THE, THERE WE GO,
THIS IS A PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN APPLICATION FOR JCS COVE RECREATION BUILDING.
IT'S A REQUEST BY NATHAN SURRY OF SURRY ENGINEERING ON BEHALF OF THE PROPERTY OWNER JAMES SABA FOR APPROVAL OF A PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
APPLICATION PROJECT PROPOSES THE CONSTRUCTION OF A 2,786 SQUARE FOOT RECREATION BUILDING AND IT IS EXCLUSIVE TO SERVING THE SIX SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE RESIDENCES ON JCS COVE, 1.53 ACRE PROPERTY ZONE AG AND IS LOCATED AT ONE JCS COVE.
IT ACTUALLY IS A PARCEL THAT FRONT ON MAY RIVER ROAD PROPERTY IS CURRENTLY VACANT.
THE LOCATION OF THE PROPERTY ON MAY RIVER ROAD SOUTH SIDE, ADJACENT TO THE, UH, BETWEEN RED CEDAR AND WHISPERING PINES.
THE AREA LOCATION OF IT, THE APPLICATION IS, UH, LOCATED WITHIN THE AG DISTRICT AND THE SUBJECT IS STANDARD SET FORTH IN THE TOWN OF BLUFFTON.
U D O SITE IS LOCATED WITHIN THE HIGHWAY CORRIDOR OVERLAY AND WILL REQUIRE A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, HIGHWAY CORRIDOR OVERLAY REVIEW AND APPROVAL.
ON AUGUST 11TH, 2015, THE TOWN OF BLUFFTON ADOPTED TOWN ORDINANCE 2015 DASH 17, WHICH ANNEXED ALL OF THE PARCELS ON JCS COVE AND REZONED THE PARCELS TO AG ZONING DISTRICT AS SPECIFIED IN THE ADOPTION BY TOWN COUNCIL.
THIS LOT MEANING THE SUBJECT LOT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT RIGHT NOW, THAT FRONTS ON MAY RIVER ROAD CAN ONLY BE UTILIZED FOR A COMMON OPEN SPACE, BUT IT CAN INCLUDE A RECREATIONAL BUILDING TO SERVE THE SIX SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE AT JCS.
COMMENTS ON A PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN WERE REVIEWED AT SEPTEMBER 6TH, 2023.
DEVELOPMENT REVIEW COMMITTEE MEETING COMMENTS WERE MINOR.
WE DIDN'T, WE DIDN'T REQUIRE A FORMAL RESUBMITTAL PRIOR TO ADVANCING THE REQUEST PLAN.
HERE'S A LITTLE CLOSER VIEW OF IT.
I CAN BRING IT BACK UP IF YOU WANNA TALK ABOUT ANY SPECIFICS ON THE PROJECT.
WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED IS A TWO STORY RECREATION BUILDING TOTALING 2,786 SQUARE FEET.
UM, THE SIX RESIDENTIAL LOTS MAX OUT THE RESIDENTIAL DENSITY OF THE JCS COVE SUBDIVISION AS, AS WAS BROUGHT INTO THE TOWN.
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I MENTIONED IT'S IN THE HIGHWAY CORRIDOR OVERLAY.THERE'S A 50 FOOT CONSERVATION EASEMENT ADJACENT TO THE CEMETERY BUFFER THAT'S SHOWN ON THE PLAN.
UM, THERE WAS MAILBOXES AND A LOOP ROAD THAT WERE EXISTING ON THE PROPERTY.
WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED IS TO WIDEN, WIDEN THE ROAD, UM, ALL PERMEABLE BUT TAKING IT TO 22 FEET, PROVIDING FOUR PERMEABLE PARKING SPACES, ONE CONCRETE A D A SPACE.
UM, UH, CANOPY COVERAGE REQUIRED WAS 75% AND WHAT'S BEING PROVIDED IS 75%.
FINDING COMMISSION SHALL CONSIDER THE CRITERIA SET FORTH IN SECTION THREE TEN THREE A OF THE U D O AND ASSESSING AN APPLICATION FOR A PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
UH, PLANNING COMMISSION HAS THE AUTHORITY TO TAKE THE FOLLOWING ACTION.
THEY CAN APPROVE THE APPLICATION AS SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT.
YOU CAN APPROVE THE APPLICATION WITH CONDITIONS.
YOU CAN TABLE THE APPLICATION OR YOU CAN DENY THE APPLICATION AS SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT.
THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS FINDS THAT THE REQUIREMENTS OF SECTION THREE TEN THREE A OF THE U D O IS MET AND RECOMMENDS THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION APPROVE THE APPLICATION AS SUBMITTED.
AND THEN I'LL OPEN UP FOR ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE FOR ME OR THE APPLICANT.
UM, BEFORE THAT, DOES THE APPLICANT WISH TO, UH, SPEAK TO THE PROJECT? UM, I'LL JUST SAY THAT, UH, AND IDENTIFY YOURSELF.
I'M A CIVIL ENGINEER ON THE PROJECT.
UM, MI MR. SABA IS JUST TRYING TO DEVELOP THE SITE WHICH WAS ORIGINALLY APPROVED WITH THE ANNEXATION.
IT HAD TO REMAIN OPEN SPACE AND SO THE TOWN APPROVED A REC CENTER AND WE'RE WITHIN THE GUIDELINES OF THE ANNEXATION.
ANY QUESTIONS? JUST ONE QUESTION.
UM, IN THE D R C COMMENTS, YOU WEREN'T SURE ABOUT THE SIZE OF THE A D A PARKING, DID YOU CONFIRM THAT? WE WEREN'T SURE ABOUT THE, IN THE, IN THE, IN THE D R C COMMENTS, YOU SAID SPECIFICALLY, UM, COULD NOT TELL THE DIMENSIONS OF THE ACCESSIBLE PARKING.
IT MUST BE SU SUCH AND SUCH AND SO FORTH THAT DID YOU CONFIRM THE SIZE OF THE AADA? A PARKING, UH, I FORGET THE DIMENSIONS, BUT IT DOES MEET THE, THE, THE REQUIREMENTS.
IT'S A, A 11 FOOT WIDE WITH A FIVE FOOT DIAL.
YEAH, IT WHAT THE D R C SAID, IT HAD TO BE 132 BY 96, ASSUMING IT'S THAT, THAT'S FINE.
I DIDN'T SEE A RESPONSE AS HE SAID IT WASN'T NECESSARY.
JUST CURIOUS IF IT WAS RESOLVED.
ANYTHING, JASON? ANYTHING? OKAY.
YOU KNOW, MY ONE CONCERN, RIGHT? AND JUST TO SAY IT IN PUBLIC, WHEN THIS WAS PASSED BY TOWN COUNCIL, UH, THE ORIGINAL REQUEST INCLUDED A COMMERCIAL BUILDING UP FRONT FOR OFFICES AND THAT IS NOT WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT APPROVING.
JUST TO MAKE SURE WE'RE ALL CLEAR, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A RECREATION BUILDING FOR USE OF THE SIX HOMES, NOT FOR THEM TO HAVE BUSINESSES OR OFFICES IN THIS BUILDING.
JUST TRYING TO STICK WITH TOWN COUNCIL'S APPROVAL.
THAT'S WHY WE HAD THAT CONVERSATION.
UM, DO I HAVE A MOTION? A MOTION? UM, MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE JCS COVE RECREATION CENTER AS SUBMITTED.
[IX.2. Magnolia Square (Development Plan)]
MISS AMANDA, YOU'RE ACCUSING YOURSELF FROM THIS ONE TOO, SIR, YOU'RE JUST GONNA SIT OUT THERE ALL NIGHT, AREN'T YOU? YEP.THE SECOND ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS MAGNOLIA SQUARE DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
A REQUEST BY WILLIE POWELL OF WARD EDWARDS, ENGINEERING ON BEHALF OF ED GOAS GOAS.
A V R B ENTERPRISES L L C AND TREVOR WELLS FOR APPROVAL OF A PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN APPLICATION THE APPLICANT PROPOSES TO CONSTRUCT SITE INFRASTRUCTURE INCLUDING AN INTERNAL STREET SCAPE, DRIVES PARKING, WALKS, UTILITIES, DRAINAGE, AND STORM WATER TO SERVE FOUR MIXED USE LOTS, TWO COMMERCIAL LOTS AND FOUR RESIDENTIAL LOTS.
THE SUBJECT PROPERTY CONTAINS THREE LOTS.
ZONED NEIGHBORHOOD GENERAL, TWO LOTS ZONED NEIGHBORHOOD CORE AND TWO LOTS ZONED RESIDENTIAL GENERAL AND CONSISTS OF, BOY, YOU'RE UP FOR PUNISHMENT THERE, AREN'T YOU? THREE DIFFERENT ZONING, UM, CONSISTS OF 3.86 ACRES IDENTIFIED BY THE FOLLOWING TAX MAP NUMBERS REFERENCED ON OUR AGENDA AND IS LOCATED AT 1195 TO 1217
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MAY RIVER ROAD AND 15 TO 19 JASON STREET.PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR MAGNOLIA SQUARE.
IT'S A REQUEST BY WILLIE POWELL OF WARD EDWARDS ENGINEERING ON BEHALF OF THE PROPERTY OWNERS.
ED GOZ OF E R B ENTERPRISES AND TREVOR WELLS FOR APPROVAL OF A PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
PROJECT PROPOSES THE CONSTRUCTION OF AN INTERNAL STREET SCAPE, DRIVES PARKING, WALKS, UTILITIES, DRAINAGE AND STORMWATER TO SERVE FOUR MIXED USE LOTS, TWO COMMERCIAL LOTS AND FOUR RESIDENTIAL LOTS.
SUBJECT PROPERTIES ARE CONTIGUOUS AND INCLUDE THREE EXISTING LOTS ON NEIGHBORHOOD GENERAL HD TWO EXISTING LOTS ZONE NEIGHBORHOOD CORE NC TWO EXISTING LOT ZONE RESIDENTIAL GENERAL RG AND CONSISTS OF 3.8 3.86 ACRES LOCATED ON MAY RIVER ROAD AND JASON STREET.
THAT IS THE LOCATION OF THE PROJECT ON MAY RIVER ROAD, NORTH SIDE, JUST DOWN THE STREET FROM THE PROJECT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT.
IT IS IN IN BETWEEN PIN OAK STREET AND THE, AND THE PRIMARY ENTRANCE IS OPPOSITE OF STOCK FARM ROAD.
HERE'S AN AERIAL OF THE SAME LOCATION.
THE APPLICATION IS A PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN REQUEST SUBJECT TO THE STANDARDS SET FORTH IN THE TOWN'S UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT ORDINANCE.
PARCELS WITHIN THE N G H D DISTRICT WILL REQUIRE A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS.
HISTORIC DISTRICT REVIEW AND APPROVAL AND PARCELS WITHIN THE NC DISTRICTS ARE ALSO WITHIN THE HIGHWAY CORRIDOR OVERLAY IT.
SO THEY WILL REQUIRE A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, HIGHWAY CORRIDOR OVERLAY REVIEW AND APPROVAL.
SO ALL OF THE PROPERTIES WITH FRONTAGE ON MAY RIVER ROAD WILL BE COMING BACK FOR ONE OR THE OTHER ON THE KOFA.
THE APPLICANT PROPOSES TO CONSTRUCT SITE INFRASTRUCTURE INCLUDING INTERNAL STREET SCAPE DRIVES, PARKING WALKS, UTILITIES, DRAINAGE, AND STORMWATER BMPS IN A SINGLE PHASE.
AND THEN FINAL BUILDING TENANTS ARE YET TO BE DETERMINED AND THEY WILL COME IN AS, UH, WITH, WITH UH, BUILDING PERMIT REQUESTS AS THEY IN STAFF.
COMMENTS WERE REVIEWED AT THE JUNE 14TH, 2023 D R C MEETING.
THE APPLICANT PROVIDED A RESUBMITTAL INCLUDING A RESPONSE TO COMMENTS ON AUGUST 30TH, 2023.
THAT'S INCLUDED IN THE PACKET.
THE APPLICANT PROVIDED A SECOND RESUBMITTAL ADDRESSING ADDITIONAL STAFF CONCERNS ON SEPTEMBER 12TH, 2023.
HERE'S THE SITE PLAN AND I WILL BRING IT IN A LITTLE BIT CLOSER.
UM, THE REASON FOR WE, THE ORIGINALLY THIS PARCEL THAT TREVOR WELLS PROPERTY PROPERTY AT 1195 MAY RIVER ROAD, WHICH WHICH IS DEVELOPED, THEY'RE, THEY'RE PROPOSING ADDITIONAL OFFSITE, UM, ORIGINALLY PROVIDING OFF PROPOSING OFFSITE IMPROVEMENTS WHERE THE, WHERE THEY JUST WOULD SHARE A PROPERTY LINE.
IT WOULD ACTUALLY, THERE'S SOME EXISTING LANDSCAPING OUT HERE NOW AND VIAL SWELL DRAINAGE OUT HERE NOW.
SO THIS WOULD BE MOVING THE ENTRANCE.
IT WOULD ALSO BE PROVIDING PARKING ON BOTH SIDES.
UH, AFTER INTERNALLY DISCUSSING THIS, WE, WE DECIDED IT WOULD BE A BETTER APPROACH TO INCLUDE THAT PARCEL AS PART OF THIS WHOLE DEVELOPMENT.
UM, AND, AND THAT WAS THE REASON FOR THE SECOND SUBMITTAL THAT THEY PROVIDED.
UM, AS MENTIONED, WE HAVE RESIDENTIAL IN THE BACK, THAT'S LOT SIX, SEVEN, AND EIGHT UP FRONT ARE FOUR MIXED USE LOTS ON THE EAST SIDE LOT FIVE FIVE A AND FIVE B IS NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL.
AND THEN THE EXISTING, UH, DEVELOPMENT THAT, THAT I'VE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT.
THE, THE ROAD WOULD BE COMING OUT OF THE MAY RIVER ROW PARKING LOT ACROSS HERE.
THE FIRST FOUR PARKING SPACES ARE ACT WILL ACTUALLY BE DEDICATED SPACES ALLOCATED TO MAY RIVER ROW.
THERE'LL BE SOME OFFSITE IMPROVEMENTS TYING IN SIDEWALKS.
THERE'S GOOD, GOOD SIDEWALK CIRCULATION WITHIN THE PROJECT.
OPPOSITE STOCK FARM ROAD WOULD BE THE ENTRANCE.
SO THIS WOULD BECOME A LITTLE BIT BUSIER INTERSECTION.
THERE WOULD HAVE TO BE SOME STRIPING ON STOCK FARM ROAD.
THEY'VE ALREADY RECOGNIZED THAT.
UM, THIS WAS INCLUDED IN YOUR PACKET.
IT'S A GOOD DESCRIPTION OF THE DEVELOPMENT SUMMARY.
THEY'RE SHOWING WHAT WITHIN THIS TABLE, I HOPE YOU HAD A CHANCE TO LOOK AT IT.
UH, THEY ARE ARE SHOWING THE PROPOSED BUILDING SIZES, WHICH, WHICH IN MOST CASES IS SMALLER THAN WHAT WOULD BE ALLOWED ON THE PROPERTY THEY'RE PROVIDING.
UM, ACCESS FOR THE RESIDENTIAL WILL BE THREE DRIVES AND LET, LET ME JUMP BACK.
WILL BE FROM THREE DRIVEWAYS FROM JASON STREET FOR THE MIXED USE LOTS IN THE COMMERCIAL LOT FIVE
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I ALREADY MENTIONED.ONE ACCESS POINT AS BEING OPPOSITE STOCK FARM ROAD, SECONDARY ACCESS POINT IS, UH, IS WEST OF THAT BE BETWEEN THESE TWO PARCELS AND A THIRD ACCESS POINT WILL BE THROUGH, THROUGH THE PARKING LOT OF MAY RIVER ROW FOR, FOR THE NEW ROAD BEING BUILT.
UH, THEY'VE GOT A STREET NAME ON THERE, BUT THEY'LL ACTUALLY HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE STREET NAMING REQUEST APPLICATION THAT'LL COME BEFORE YOU FINDING COMMISSION SHALL CONSIDER THE CRITERIA SET FORTH IN SECTION THREE TEN THREE A OF THE U D L AND ASSESSING THE APPLICATION FOR PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
SAME CRITERIA SHOWED YOU A MOMENT AGO WITH THE OTHER PROJECT.
UNDER COMMISSION HAS THE AUTHORITY TO APPROVE THE APPLICATION AS SUBMITTED, APPROVE THE APPLICATION WITH CONDITIONS TABLE THE APPLICATION, OR DENY THE APPLICATION AS SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT.
TOWN STAFF RECOMMENDS THE, THAT THE REQUIREMENTS OF SECTION TOWN STAFF FINDS THAT THE REQUIREMENTS OF SECTION THREE TEN THREE A OF THE U D O HAVE BEEN MET AND RECOMMENDS THE PLANNING COMMISSION APPROVE THE APPLICATION WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITION.
THAT BEING AT THE TIME OF FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN SUBMITTAL PROVIDE A CONSTRUCTION SEQUENCING PLAN THAT DEMONSTRATES THE PROPOSED PHASE CONSTRUCTION OF THE DEVELOPMENT.
UM, THE REASON WE ADDED THAT CONDITION WAS WE, WE UNDERSTAND THAT THE INFRASTRUCTURE'S GONNA GO IN BASICALLY PHASE ONE IS MAKING IT A, A PAD READY DEVELOPMENT STUBBING TO THE PARCELS.
BUT AS EACH OF THESE COME IN, THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF A CONCERN ON HOW THESE GET BUILT STAGING AREAS AS, AS MORE COME IN, YOU'LL HAVE, UH, I ANTICIPATE THERE'LL BE EXISTING BUSINESSES WHILE CONSTRUCTION IS GOING ON ON OTHER PARCELS.
SO, SO BASICALLY WE JUST WANT THEM TO DEMONSTRATE HOW, HOW IT, HOW IT WOULD BE BUILT, BUILT OVER TIME.
AND, UH, I MYSELF UP FOR QUESTIONS OR ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE FOR THE APPLICANT.
WELL, IF WE COULD, UH, WOULD THE APPLICANT LIKE TO SAY SOMETHING FIRST AND THEN WE CAN GOOD EVENING.
WILLIE POWELL WITH WOOD EDWARDS ENGINEERING WHERE THE APPLICANTS, UM, I ALSO HAVE THE CLIENT.
WE HAVE DAN KEEPER, WHIT KEEPER, AND WALTER ER HERE.
UH, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR OTHER MEMBERS OF US, I, I THINK DAN DID A REALLY GOOD JOB OF KIND OF GOING THROUGH THE PROJECT, SOME OF THE DIFFERENT, UH, CONSTRAINTS THAT, UM, WE WORKED AROUND.
I THINK YOU ALSO CAN SEE THAT WE REALLY TRIED TO PAY CLOSE ATTENTION TO SOME OF THE TREE CANOPIES AND TREE COVERAGES, UM, AS WELL.
SO THE WAY THE ROADS KIND OF DO MEANDER A LITTLE BIT IS TO, TO GO AROUND EXISTING TREES.
UM, WE'VE ALSO TRIED TO BE REAL SENSITIVE TO THE STORMWATER NEEDS.
UH, WE'LL INTEND TO USE A GOOD BIT OF PERMEABLE PAVERS TO HELP LESSEN THAT OVERALL, UH, STORMWATER IMPACT.
UM, WE HAVE WORKED WITH SS E D O T ON THE DIFFERENT DRIVEWAY CONFIGURATIONS AND LOCATIONS.
ALL THOSE HAVE BEEN REVIEWED AND, UH, APPROVED BY D O T.
UM, WE JUST CAN'T PROCEED TO GET ENCRYPT PERMITS UNTIL WE GET THROUGH, UM, THE PRELIMINARY D R C STAGE.
BUT WE HAVE REVIEWED THOSE WITH D O T AND HAVE WRITTEN APPROVAL OF THEIR LOCATIONS AS, AS SHOWN.
UH, AND WE, YESTERDAY WE'VE WORKED WITH BOTH THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES TO COORDINATE THE POINTS OF ACCESS TO HELP MAKE THIS AS, UM, INTERCONNECTED AS POSSIBLE.
I THINK REALLY THE GOAL WAS TO REALLY CREATE, UM, UH, AN INFILL PIECE THAT REALLY CONNECTS ITSELF TO THE, THE SURROUNDING PIECES.
UH, I THINK ONE THING TO NOTE TOO IS THAT THERE'S NOT ANY KIND OF CONNECTIVITY FROM MAY RIVER ROAD TO JASON STREET VIA VEHICULAR CONNECTION.
THERE'S PEDESTRIAN CONNECTIONS, WHICH WE WANTED TO HAVE, BUT THERE'S NO ABILITY FOR A, A VEHICLE TO GO FROM MAY RIVER TO JASON STREET THROUGH THE PROPERTY.
UM, DAN MENTIONED WE DO A LINE ACROSS FROM STOCK FARM ROAD AND WE WILL DO SOME RES STRIPING OF THE EXISTING ACCESS ON STOCK FARM ROAD, UH, TO HELP ACCOMMODATE, UM, THAT, UM, THAT'S THE OVERALL JUST STUFF.
JUST GONNA LET YOU GUYS KINDA HAVE AT IT AND ASK US ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.
I THINK IT'S WELL THOUGHT OUT.
I DO SEE THE NOTES ON THE POTENTIAL AREA FOR TRASH ENCLOSURES.
IT JUST LOOKS LIKE IT'S MANEUVERABILITY IS GOING TO BE A LITTLE TIGHT.
UM, IF THESE ARE RESTAURANTS, I SEE THE SERVICE YARDS, ARE THOSE GOING TO ALSO BE USED FOR TRASH AND FOR TRASH PICKUP? YES.
WE'VE ACTUALLY HAD THAT DEBATE A GOOD BIT ABOUT TRASH SERVICE.
AND OUR INTENT IS THAT EACH BUSINESS WOULD HAVE A TO ROLL OFF CONTAINER, MUCH LIKE STOCK FARM ACROSS THE WAY THOUGH, THOSE BUSINESSES ALL HAVE THEIR OWN INDIVIDUAL TRASH SERVICE THAT THEY THEN CONTRACT WITH A LOCAL TRASH COMPANY.
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YOU KNOW, STOCK FARM HAS ITS OWN DUMPSTER, BUT IT ACTUALLY IS NOT EVEN USED.ALL THE BUSINESSES JUST USE THEIR OWN COLLECTION.
AND SO THE IDEA WOULD BE TO DO THE SAME THING HERE.
UM, AND SO THAT THERE'S A SERVICE YARD BEHIND EACH COMMERCIAL SPACE, AND IT WOULD BE ALSO USED TO HOUSE THE ROLL-OFF CONTAINER.
THE ONLY CHALLENGE WITH THAT IS WHEN YOU HAVE A RESTAURANT, A ROLL-OFF CONTAINER ISN'T ALWAYS PRACTICAL, RIGHT? SO YEAH.
AND, AND THEN JUST IF THOSE ARE TRASHING CLOSURES FOR DUMPSTERS, MANEUVERABILITY FOR TRUCKS ARE GONNA BE DIFFICULT.
THE, UM, THE ONE THAT'S EXISTING ON 1195 WAS CENTERED TO THE ROAD, AND NOW IF THE ROAD SHIFTED, IT'S GONNA BE DIFFICULT, BUT POSSIBLE FOR THE, THE TRUCKS TO GO IN THERE.
UM, THE ONLY OTHER THING THAT I, I HAD NOTED IS THE, UM, THE CONSTRUCTION AROUND THOSE, THOSE EXISTING TREES THAT ARE TO BE SAVED, LIKE THE 32 INCH LOOKS LIKE LIVE OAKS,
DAN, COULD YOU PULL UP THE SHEET WITH THE TREES ON IT? BECAUSE I WAS GONNA GO DOWN THE SAME PATH.
I THINK THE PLANNING AROUND THE TREES HAS BEEN BEEN GREAT, UM, BUT JUST ADDING A LITTLE MORE CARE TO THOSE, ESPECIALLY AROUND THE ROAD AROUND THAT DRIVE AND THE PARKING WE INTEND TO.
VERY IMPORTANT I WOULD EXPECT.
I MEAN, I, I DON'T THINK IT'S QUITE FULLY NOTED IN HERE, BUT I DO EXPECT THAT THAT EAST WEST, UM, ROADWAY TO BE PRETTY, UM, HIGHER LEVEL OF FINISH INCLUDING PAVERS.
AND SO I THINK WE CAN EASILY SHOW PAVERS AROUND THE 32 INCH LIVE OAK AND OTHER AREAS, BUT I, I THINK THE ANTENNA FOR THAT ENTIRE CORRIDOR TO BE, UM, PAVERS WHICH ALLOW US A LITTLE MORE FLEXIBILITY FOR THE ROOT ZONES.
YOU MENTIONED SOMETHING ABOUT PERVIOUS, SO I'M, I'M HOPING THAT, I KNOW IT'S, IT'S PRELIMINARY, BUT I'M HOPING WHEN YOU GET TO THE POINT AS MUCH PARKING AS YOU CAN IS, IS PERVIOUS.
I ALSO NOTE THAT IT SEEMS LIKE YOU'VE, YOU'VE PROVIDED A, A GOOD NUMBER OF PARKING SPOTS AT THIS POINT, WHICH YOU KNOW, WOULD PROBABLY BE NEEDED IF THESE ARE RESTAURANTS.
UM, BUT I WAS JUST GONNA FOCUS ON THE TREES, UM, IN THE D R C COMMENTS, UM, SPECIFICALLY, UM, WE TALK ABOUT TREE 21, 17, 19 AND 22 AND YOU KNOW, I THINK 22, YOU'RE, YOU'RE GONNA TRY TO SAVE TREE 21, YOU SAYS IT WAS APPROVED FOR RE FOR REMOVAL BY TOWN STAFF.
ON THE NEXT COMMENT, TREE 17 IS CALLED OUT AND YOU THE SAME RESPONSE WAS, PLEASE NOTE, TREE 21 WAS APPROVED FOR REMOVAL.
SAME THING FOR 1921 WAS REMOVED, UH, WAS APPROVED FOR REMOVAL.
SO MY QUESTION IS, ARE 17 AND 19 AND AND 21 ALL GOING, OR WAS THAT A MISPRINT IN THE D R C RESPONSE THAT YOU PROVIDED? THOSE ARE THE ONES SHOWN THE 1719 HERE? YEAH.
IN THE D R C RESPONSE FOR 21 17 19, THE SAME RESPONSE WAS TREE 21 WAS APPROVED FOR REMOVAL.
SOMEBODY CUT AND PASTE DAN KEEFER WHISKY FOR, UM, WE DID A SIDEWALK WITH, WITH JORDAN AT THE TOWN MM-HMM.
THE, SO THE 21, 17 AND 19 WERE ONES THAT, THAT WE REVIEWED IN THE FIELD MM-HMM.
THEY WERE, A COUPLE OF 'EM HAD HOLES IN THE TRUNKS AND THEY WERE BASED ON SITE VISIT, NO QUESTION ABOUT IT.
THE 22 WAS THE ONE THAT AS WE MOVED FORWARD WITH THE FINAL PLANS, WE WERE GONNA GET ARBORIST OUT THERE.
IT'S A, I THINK IT WAS A WHITE OAK.
BUT YOU LOOK AT IT UP AND YOU START SEEING THE BRANCHES THAT ARE DYING OFF AND THERE'S SOME ROUND THE TRUNK, THERE'S SOME START OF SOME DECAY AROUND THE TREE.
AND THE WHITE OAKS, NO MATTER WHAT WE DO AROUND THEM ARE, ARE DEC DECLINE, BASICALLY DECLINING.
THE LIVE OAKS LOOK LIKE THEY'RE DECLINING, BUT THEY ALL LIVE FOR A LONG TIME.
BUT THE WHITE OAKS AND THE LAUREL OAKS AND SEVERAL, SEVERAL OTHER SPECIES ARE DECLINING.
WELL, AGAIN, I I'M JUST GOING BY WHAT YOU RESPONDED IN D R C, SO, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THERE'S JUST A CORRECTION NEEDED THERE.
I BELIEVE, I BELIEVE YOU AND THE ARBORIST AND JORDAN DID THE RIGHT THING.
IT JUST ISN'T REFLECTED IN THE D RE D R C RESPONSE.
ONE OTHER THING, UH, TO TO, TO THE COMMISSIONER'S, UH, COMMENTS,
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I HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT TREES 4 18, 24 25.THOSE ARE GREAT LOOKING TREES AND THERE'S BUILDINGS PRETTY CLOSE TO 'EM.
UM, SO IT'S GONNA HAVE TO REALLY, WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE CANOPY AND THE ROOT PROTECTION, THOSE ARE TREES THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE YOUR ARBORISTS THERE.
WE'RE DOING THE RIGHT PROTECTION ACCORDING TO FIVE DASH THREE DASH D DASH ONE, UM, BECAUSE THOSE ARE BIG, BEAUTIFUL TREES.
AND AGAIN, THE WAY THEY'RE SITUATED AND THAT'S, UH, UM, 18 24, 25 AND FOUR, THEY'RE PRETTY CLOSE TO SOME BUILDINGS AND SOME CONSTRUCTION THAT'S GONNA HAVE TO GO ON.
SO I GUESS I'D LIKE A, A WORD OF REASSURANCE.
A REASSURANCE FOR US THAT YOU'RE GONNA DO EVERYTHING YOU CAN TO SAVE THOSE TREES.
AND STARTING AT EIGHT 18, THAT'S, THAT'S BASICALLY LIKE A CORNER OF POCKET PARK THAT WE'RE CREATING THERE.
AND THE, THE BUILDINGS ALONG THE HIGHWAY FRONTAGE WILL COME BACK THROUGH THE H P C PROCESS.
SO AS FAR AS LIKE THE FOOTINGS ON THE BUILDINGS AND HOW CLOSE WE ARE AND THE CONSTRUCTION METHODS, THAT'LL COME BACK IN, IN STRICT DETAIL OF HOW WE'RE GONNA BUILD THAT.
AND WE'LL HAVE GRADING STRANGE PLANS, SO WE'LL HAVE A LOT MORE, THERE'LL BE ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY FOR YOU GUYS, NOT FOR YOU GUYS, BUT FOR H P C AND STAFF.
JUST TO SEE THAT, UM, SAME THING WITH FOUR AND, AND 25 IS, IS SPECTACULAR.
AND WE'VE, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THAT BEING A ONE STORY TYPE, UM, COTTAGE RIGHT NEXT TO THAT UNDER THE CANOPY MM-HMM.
SO WE'VE, WE'VE, WE'VE SORT OF PLACED THE BUILDINGS AND WE'RE LOOKING AT HEIGHTS OF BUILDINGS TO WORK AROUND ALL THE CANOPY AND THE, THE ROOT ZONES.
AND I LOVE THE COMMENT YOUR ASSOCIATE MADE ABOUT LOOKING FOR PAVERS TO POSSIBLY HELP PROTECT THE ROOT STRUCTURE.
MINE WERE A LOT WITH THE TREES AS WELL TOO, BUT I HAVE SOME OTHER THINGS WE CAN TALK ABOUT LATER ON AS WELL.
BUT AS YOU COME THROUGH, BUT LIKE FOR EXAMPLE, YOU ARE PUTTING IN MORE PARKING THAN NECESSARY.
IS THERE ANY PLANS OF EXPANDING THOSE BUILDINGS OR NO, NOT, NOT AT THIS POINT.
UM, I MEAN OBVIOUSLY YOU DON'T HAVE ANY TENANTS YET, BUT NO, I MEAN, AT THIS POINT, THE, AND SPEAKING TO THE RESTAURANTS RIGHT NOW, IT'S, THERE'S A SMALL ICE CREAM SHOP AND COFFEE SHOP.
THOSE ARE BASICALLY THE TWO BUILDINGS THAT ARE ALLOCATED FOR PARKING.
AND THEY, AGAIN, THEY'RE, THEY'RE IN HISTORIC DISTRICTS.
THERE'S STRICT REQUIREMENTS ON PARKING ON THE LOTS AND OTHER THINGS THAT WE GOTTA FOLLOW FOR, FOR THOSE WE DID AS FAR AS THE, THE BACK TO THE DUMPSTER QUESTION THAT WE, WHERE WE HAD THE DUMPSTER PREVIOUSLY, WE PICKED UP A COUPLE PARKING SPOTS.
SO WE'RE, THERE IS A QUESTION LIKE, WILL INTERNALLY, WHETHER WE TAKE OUT THOSE FOUR SPACES AND PUT IN A DUMPSTER OR, OR A SERVICE, MAYBE MORE OF LIKE A SERVICE AREA FOR TRASH, BUT I, I WOULD SUGGEST WE KEEP THE PARKING IF IT'S A COUPLE EXTRA KNOWING IN THE OH, THAT, THAT'S FINE.
UM, I WANT TO CAMP FOR A SECOND.
ON THE 1195 MAY RIVER ROAD THAT WAS BROUGHT IN HERE, WAS THAT A TOWN DECISION? WAS THAT A JOINT DECISION? HOW DID WE, HOW AND WHY? I KNOW YOU'VE MENTIONED THE DR THE ROADS GETTING REALIGNED AND ADDITIONAL PARKING, BUT I GUESS I WANT TO UNDERSTAND THE OWNER OF 1190 FIVE'S INVOLVEMENT IN THIS AND AGREEMENT TO THIS AND ALL THAT, BUT THEY PROVIDED
1195 INCLUDED IN THIS SUBMITTAL, EVEN THOUGH IT'S JUST RECENTLY BEEN CONSTRUCTED MM-HMM.
UM, AND IT HAD TO DO WITH THE OFFSITE IMPROVEMENTS THAT WERE BEING PROPOSED FOR, FOR THE PROJECT, WHICH WAS REALIGNING THE ACCESS POINT.
UM, AND IT IMPACTS THE EXISTING LANDSCAPING AS WELL AS ADDING PARKING ON IT.
UH, WE MET WITH THEM AGAIN, WE SAID IT WOULD MAKE MORE SENSE TO BRING THAT PARCEL IN.
THEY AGREED, THEY CONFERRED WITH, WITH MR. WELLS WHO PROVIDED THE LETTER ON THE FRONT END.
UM, AND, AND, UH, SO HE SIGNED ON TO THE APPLICATION OFFICIALLY AS PART OF THE PROJECT.
SO, SO WE DO HAVE TWO DIFFERENT PROPERTY OWNERS, BUT THAT WAS BY REQUEST OF STAFF.
IT, EVEN THOUGH IT WAS ORIGINAL SITE PLAN DIDN'T CHANGE ANY, THEY WERE JUST SHOWING OFFSITE DEVELOPMENT WHERE WE SAID, JUST BRING IN THAT PARCEL AND IT'LL BE PART OF THE REQUEST.
OKAY, HOW DOES THAT APPLY? LET'S GO DOWN THE ROAD 15 YEARS AND 1195 WANTS TO SELL THEIR PARCEL TO SOMEBODY ELSE.
IS THERE A COMMON AREA? IS THERE A P O A THAT THEY NOW ARE A PART OF THAT'S MAINTAINING THAT DRIVEWAY IN BETWEEN? OR DO WE HAVE AN ISSUE WHERE THEY DON'T HAVE ACCESS? ARE THERE EASEMENTS BEING PUT IN? YOU SEE WHERE I'M GOING WITH THIS? WE'VE TALKED ABOUT, WE'VE, THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLANS
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AN EASEMENT FOR BOTH ACCESS POINTS.I, WHAT THE THING WE DON'T WANT IS FOR ONE OF THE TWO PARTIES TO SELL AND THE NEW OWNERS TO GO, WAIT, I DON'T HAVE TO GIVE YOU THAT.
YOU, I'M DEALING WITH AN ACCESS EASEMENT MYSELF,
UM, AND THEN THE, JUST OUTTA CURIOSITY, AND IT WAS ALREADY BROUGHT UP ABOUT PERVIOUS, UM, PLEASE USE AS MUCH PERVIOUS AS POSSIBLE, UM, ESPECIALLY THAT CLOSE TO MAY RIVER AND, UH, DRAINAGE ISSUES.
BUT DID I SEE THERE IS GONNA BE UNDERGROUND RETENTION HERE? THERE IS SOME UNDERGROUND RETENTION.
UM, WE'RE CURRENTLY PROPOSING THAT ALL THE PARKING THAT'S NON A D A, UH, WOULD BE PERVIOUS, PERMEABLE.
SO WE'RE NOT TALKING A LARGE TANK LIKE STOCK FARM OR AT, UH, PROMENADE.
IT WOULD STILL, WE DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT TYPE IT WOULD BE, BUT IT STILL WOULD BE SOME TYPE OF PERFORATED PIPE, UM, UNDERNEATH THAT PARKING AREA.
IT COULD BE A CHAMBER, IT COULD BE A PIPE.
WE DON'T QUITE KNOW THE WELL, AND I KNOW STORM WATER'S GONNA REQUIRE A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF IT, BUT I ENCOURAGE YOU TO DO AS MUCH AS YOU CAN.
AND THAT WAS PART OF THAT LAST SUBMITTAL THAT WE MADE WITH STAFF WAS TO WORK THROUGH THOSE COMPONENTS WITH, UM, THE DEPARTMENT.
I MEAN, AGAIN, THERE'S A, THERE'S A CERTAIN AMOUNT WE CAN REQUIRE YOU TO DO AND WE WILL, I'M JUST ENCOURAGING YOU AS A RESPONSIBLE DEVELOPER TO CONSIDER GOING BEYOND THAT, UH, FOR THE SAFETY AND THE HEALTH OF, OF THE RUNOFF INTO THE MAY RIVER.
YEAH, I WAS, UM, I DID WANT TO ASK THE SAME QUESTION.
IT SEEMS LIKE YOU HAVE THREE BIORETENTION BMPS AND, AND ABOUT SIX UNDERGROUND INFILTRATION THINGS THROUGHOUT THIS AREA.
AND AGAIN, I'M, I DON'T KNOW THIS, I'M NOT
DOES THIS MOVE WATER TOWARDS JASON STREET OR TOWARDS MAY RIVER ROAD? I MEAN, HOW, HOW, HOW DO THOSE ELEVATIONS IN THE GRADING WORK ON YOUR PROPERTY? UM, SO ALL THE, THE MIRROR OF ROAD IS ABOUT TWO FOOT HIGHER THAN THE PROPERTY.
THE STREETSCAPE ITSELF RAISED THAT ROAD UP.
AND SO WHAT WE'RE SEEING NOW BASED ON TOPOGRAPHY AND SIDEWALKS AND DRAINAGES, ALL THAT WATER GOES TO THE REAR TOWARD JASON STREET.
AND SO WE'RE GONNA COLLECT IT ALL, UM, THROUGHOUT THE SITE, DO THE TREATMENTS AND THE ATTENTION REDUCTION.
AND ULTIMATELY IT TIES IN TO THE EXISTING SYSTEM THAT'S ON JASON STREET.
AND FROM THERE IT GOES EAST TOWARD PIN OAK AND THEN FROM THERE WORKS ITSELF BACK DOWN PIN OAK, UM, AND TIES INTO THE LOCAL PARK SYSTEM AS IT COMES TO OUTS.
SO ALL OF IT DOES GO TO THE REAR TOWARD JASON STREET AND NOT TOWARD MAIN RIVER ROAD.
UM, THERE'S KIND OF A A, A BREAK WHERE UM, THE DELI IN ITS PARKING LOT KIND OF COMES INTO THE FRONT AND GOES OUT.
THIS KINDA GOES TO THE BACK AND GOES OUT THAT WAY.
AND AS A REMINDER, THEIR NEXT STEP AFTER PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN APPROVAL IS TO SUBMIT FOR SOME AMOUNT PERMIT APPLICATION AND, AND MM-HMM.
REMEMBER WHY I SAID I WAS GONNA HOLD OFF THAT, WAS IT
WAS THE RETENTION UP CLOSE TO YES.
THERE ARE A COUPLE OF LIKE STUFF OUT, BUT WE'RE NOT USING THEM.
IT'S STILL EVENTUALLY GONNA GO DOWN INTO I THINK IT'S OR COVE.
UM, IT'S JUST A MATTER OF, IT'S GOING THERE BY WAY OF PIN OAK AS OPPOSED TO BY WAY OF CORRECT.
A LITTLE MORE OF AN INDIRECT ROUTE.
GUESS THERE PIN OAK CROSSES OVER TO DOWN HERE.
STREET SHOP ER COVE SPECIFICALLY HAS HAD ISSUES THROUGHOUT THE YEARS WITH, AND IT, IT, IT'S NOT Y'ALL, BUT WITH BLUFFTON PARK HAVING A LOT OF RUNOFF COMING OFF IT.
AND SO THERE'S BEEN SOME EROSION ON SOME OF THE PROPERTIES THERE.
SO I JUST ASK YOU HUMAN TO HUMAN HERE, BE AS RESPONSIBLE AS YOU CAN TO KEEP AS MUCH OF THAT RUNOFF AWAY.
UM, 'CAUSE IT'LL, IT'LL MAKE LIFE EASIER ON THE PEOPLE DOWNSTREAM TO USE THE PHRASE.
ANYTHING ELSE? WAS THERE ANY RESPONSE, UM, ON THE, THE REQUIREMENT FROM THE STAFF FOR THE PHASING PLAN? I THINK THE KEY POINT IS ALL THE TRUCTURE WILL BE BUILT IN PHASE ONE AND THEN I THINK WHAT YOU SEE FROM A ONE THROUGH FIVE WOULD BE THE INITIAL FALLS ON PHASING.
SO, AND EACH ONE OF THOSE BUILDING AREAS WOULD BE ITS OWN PHASE, UM, GOING THROUGH BUILDING PERMIT AND THEN ALSO IN THE BACKING CLOSE OUT.
AND PART OF, PART OF THIS PARCEL, JUST 'CAUSE IT'S IN THREE DIFFERENT ZONING DISTRICTS, PART HAS TO GO THROUGH HISTORIC PRESERVATION PART, HAS TO GO THROUGH HIGHWAY CORRIDOR OVERLAY AND PART HAS TO GO THROUGH NOTHING.
SO I THINK THAT'S GONNA TELL US WHICH WAY IT'S GOING TO GET DEVELOPED
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AS WE GO THROUGH IT.WE JUST GOT THE COMMENT FOR THE FIRST TIME THIS EVENING, SO WE'LL ADDRESS IT AS, AS OF NOW, IT'S ONE, ONE OWNER FOR THE WHOLE PROPERTY.
SO THAT'LL HELP US CONTROL WHERE WE'RE SEQUENCING.
DAN, YOU SAID THAT NEIGHBORS WERE NOTIFIED OF THIS.
DID YOU GET ANY FEEDBACK FROM THE NEIGHBORS RIGHT NEXT DOOR ACROSS THE STREET FROM JASON STREET? I DID THE, UM, THE HOFFMAN'S LIVE DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET.
THEY LIVE AT EITHER 18 OR 20 JASON STREET AND THEY SAID IT'S WONDERFUL.
I SHOWED 'EM YOUR INITIAL MOCKUP WHEN THERE WERE 10 OR 11, NOT NINE.
UM, AND THEY JUST SAID TO PLEASE, UH, PAY ATTENTION TO RUNOFF AND PAY ATTENTION TO TREES AND TRAFFIC.
AND BY NOT HAVING A CUT THROUGH ROAD, YOU HELP THE TRAFFIC HUGE.
AND IT LOOKS LIKE YOU'RE SAVING THE LARGER LAUREL OAKS AND OTHER TREES ON THERE.
AND SO, UM, INDIRECTLY TO ANSWER.
THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S, I'M ALWAYS WORRIED ABOUT WHAT THE NEIGHBORS THINK, SO THAT'S GOOD.
UM, I DID WANNA SAY, I, I DO THINK IT'S, IT'S A WELL THOUGHT OUT PLAN.
I THINK YOU'RE WORKING WITH THE NEIGHBORS FROM WHAT I CAN SEE.
UM, HAVE YOU GOTTEN ANY FEEDBACK FROM PEOPLE IN MAY RIVER ROAD BUSINESSES THERE ONE WAY OR ANOTHER? I KNOW YOU'VE HAD TO WORK WITH THEM FOR ACCESS.
WE THINK YOU, THE NEIGHBORS BEHIND
I JUST, I THINK IT FLOWS WELL AND I, I APPRECIATE IT.
BUT UH, WITH THAT SAID, UH, I'D LIKE TO ENTERTAIN A MOTION.
I'D LIKE TO ENTERTAIN A MOTION IF YOU WANT, YOU WANT HAVE SOMETHING TO PUT UP DAN.
I WAS JUST GONNA SAY I'M LOOKING FOR MY, I CAN'T FIND, I'LL GO TO DAN.
UM, I MOVE THAT, UH, TOWN STAFF FINDS THE REQUIREMENTS OF THIS SECTION OF THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT ORDERS HAVE BEEN MET AND RECOMMENDS PLANNING COMMISSION APPROVE THE APPLICATION WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITION AT THE TIME OF FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN SUBMITTAL PROVIDE A CONSTRUCTION QUEING PLAN THAT DEMONSTRATES THE PROPOSED PHASE CONSTRUCTION OF THE DEVELOPMENT.
ALL OPPOSED MOTION PASSES AND I AM PASSING THE GAVEL BACK.
YEAH, I COULD'VE HAD DAN PUT IT UP.
[IX.3. Lowcountry Pickleball Club (Certificate of Appropriateness-Highway Corridor Overlay District)]
ARE ON TO ITEM NUMBER THREE.UM, A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR THE HIGHWAY COURT CORRIDOR OVERLAY DISTRICT, A REQUEST BY CORD ATKINS ON BEHALF OF THE OWNER, RICK MEGAN WITH PALMETTO LAND ASSOCIATES FOR APPROVAL OF A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS.
KATIE? GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONERS.
UM, AS CHAIRMAN DENMARK JUST INDICATED, THIS IS A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR THE HIGHWAY CORRIDOR.
SO KEEPING IN MIND THIS IS A REVIEW OF THE, UM, ARCHITECTURE, LANDSCAPING AND LIGHTING FOR THIS SITE.
THE SITE DESIGN ELEMENTS ARE ALL REVIEWED THROUGH THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN PROCESS.
I HAVE ZOOMED IT OUT REALLY FAR HERE BECAUSE WHILE THE STREET THAT LEADS IN IS A PORTION OF THE REVIEW, SO THE LANDSCAPING THAT'S ASSOCIATED THERE, UM, IS INCLUDED.
MOST OF WHAT WE ARE LOOKING AT IS ON THE RIGHT HALF OF YOUR SCREEN HERE IN THE AREA THAT HAS PICKLEBALL, COURTS, UM, AND THE BUILDING THAT IS ASSOCIATED WITH IT.
SO I'VE ZOOMED IN A LITTLE BIT CLOSER HERE BECAUSE WHILE THAT STREET PORTION IS IMPORTANT, THE MORE IMPORTANT STUFF THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS THIS SECTION RIGHT HERE.
SO YOU HAVE THE MAIN STRUCTURE RIGHT HERE THAT GOES AROUND THESE SIX COURTS.
UM, THERE IS THE CLUBHOUSE AND EVENT SPACE AND UH, FUTURE TENANT SPACES ALL IN THE PORTION HERE.
AND THEN THERE'S A SMALL CONCESSION BUILDING THAT IS HERE.
SO COURTS AND UM, THERE'S SOME FENCING AND THINGS LIKE THAT EXCEPT FOR THIS LITTLE DUMPSTER ENCLOSURE THAT'S OVER HERE.
SO I HAVE LABELED IN RED ON THE SCREEN WHICH DIRECTION IT'S FACING BECAUSE IT'S LONGER THAN IT IS WIDE IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT IT LIKE THE SITE PLAN.
BUT THAT DOESN'T FIT ON A SCREEN VERY WELL.
UM, THE PARKING LOT WILL BE AT THE BOTTOM HERE, WHICH IS FACING THE OUT PARCELS AND HIGHLAND CROSSINGS DRIVE.
THE AREA THAT IS AT THE TOP OF YOUR SCREEN FACES CANE DRIVE, WHICH IS THE, UM, FACES ALL OF THE COURTS.
AND THEN CANE DRIVE THE SIDE ON THE RIGHT OF THE SCREEN IS FACING TOWARDS ESTATES DRIVE.
AND THEN THE LEFT SIDE OF YOUR SCREEN IS FACING THAT HIGHWAY ONE 70.
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THESE ARE THE ELEVATIONS.UM, SO THESE ARE THE FRONT, WHICH IS TECHNICALLY THE RIGHT HAND SIDE BECAUSE EVERYTHING THAT'S IN THE CORRIDOR HIGHWAY ONE 70 OR 46 IS GOING TO BE YOUR FRONT.
HOWEVER, THIS IS THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING WHICH IS FACING TOWARDS THE PARKING LOT TOWARDS HIGHLANDS HIGHLAND CROSSING DRIVE.
AND THEN THE REAR ELEVATION HERE IS WHAT IS FACING TOWARDS THE COURTS AND THEN BEYOND THE COURTS CANE DRIVE, THIS IS THE ZOOMED IN, OH, I LIED, THIS IS, I'M SORRY, THESE ARE THE SIDE ELEVATIONS HERE.
SO YOU'VE GOT THE, UM, THE RIGHT SIDE WHICH FACES TOWARDS A STATE DRIVE AND THE LEFT SIDE, WHICH IS THE FRONT FACING HIGHWAY ONE 70, AGAIN LABELED IN RED FOR YOU BECAUSE IT DOES GET A LITTLE BIT CONFUSING.
UM, I HAVE A POST-IT NOTE, WHICH I'VE DRAWN A BEAUTIFUL DING TO BE PROUD PICTURE OF THIS BUILDING FOOTPRINT SO THAT I CAN KEEP THESE THINGS ALL STRAIGHT.
UM, I'VE ALREADY CONFUSED THEM A COUPLE TIMES, SO I'VE HOPEFULLY LABELED THEM ALL SO THAT YOU GUYS HAVE A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT IS FACING WHICH DIRECTION.
UM, I'VE INCLUDED THE SECTIONS THROUGH THE BUILDING, WHICH WERE INCLUDED IN THIS MIDDLE DOCUMENTS.
UM, I CUT AND PASTE THESE SO THAT THEY FIT BETTER ON A SCREEN.
YOUR PACKET INCLUDES EVERYTHING THAT WAS IN THERE, INCLUDING TITLE BLOCKS, ET CETERA.
UM, BUT I'VE ONLY INCLUDED SOME OF THE SECTIONS THROUGH HERE.
I DO HAVE ACCESS TO YOUR ENTIRE PACKET SHOULD YOU NEED SOMETHING THAT IS NOT ON ONE OF THESE.
THIS IS THE CONCESSIONS FLOOR PLAN AND ROOF PLAN.
UM, SO YOU'VE GOT HIGHWAY ONE 70 WOULD BE AT THE TOP OF THE SCREEN.
YOU CAN SEE THE LITTLE PICNIC TABLES UNDER, UM, THE ROOF, WHICH WILL BE EXPOSED HERE ON THE BOTTOM OF YOUR SCREEN THAT FACES TOWARDS THE COURTS.
THEN THE SINGLE DOOR HERE IS FACING TOWARDS THE HIGHWAY ONES.
THAT'S FACING TOWARDS THE BUILDING.
AND THIS SIDE THAT HAS THE SURFACE AREA IS FACING TOWARDS THE FAR SIDE OF THE COURTS AWAY FROM THE BUILDING AND ONE 70.
SO AGAIN, FACING THE COURTS IN A STATE DRIVE IS THIS SECTION HERE FACING TOWARDS ONE 70 IS THE TOP RIGHT FACING CANE DRIVE IS THE BOTTOM RIGHT AND FACING THE OUT PARCELS AND HIGHLAND CROSSING.
BUT IT IS LOCATED BEHIND THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE.
SO YOU WILL NOT SEE IT FROM HIGHLAND CROSSING.
THAT'S JUST THE WAY IT'S FACING AND THE SECTIONS THAT GO ALONG WITH THAT CONCESSIONS BUILDING.
I'VE ALSO INCLUDED THE DETAILS FOR YOU.
AGAIN, THEY'RE SMALL ON THIS SCREEN AND THEY ARE CUT UP VERY SMALL, BUT I CAN ZOOM IN IF WE NEED THEM AS WELL AS A GREAT THREE D VIEW THAT HAS BEEN PROVIDED.
I INCLUDED THAT LITTLE SITE PLAN WITH AN ARROW FOR HOW YOU WOULD BE LOOKING AT THIS.
UM, ON THE SITE PLAN HERE, HIGHWAY ONE 70 IS AT THE VERY TOP OF YOUR SCREEN.
UM, A STATE DRIVE AT THE BOTTOM CAME TO THE RIGHT AND HIGHLAND SLASH THE REST OF THE PARKING LOT AND OUT PARCELS IS TO THE LEFT.
SO THIS IS THE VIEW FROM SOME OF THE COURTS HERE.
AND THEN THIS IS THE VIEW OF THE CONCESSION STAND.
BEYOND THIS, YOU WOULD BE LOOKING AT THE BUFFER AND THEN BEYOND ONE 70, AND THEN THIS IS FROM, FROM ONE 70 STANDING INSIDE THE BUFFER.
LOOKING TOWARDS THE BUILDING HERE, I'VE INCLUDED THE LANDSCAPE PLAN ON THE SLIDES HERE FOR YOU.
SO WE HAVE, AGAIN, THIS IS THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE WHICH DOES, THIS IS AGAIN A LARGE SITE, SO IT CUTS OFF OF THIS PAGE AND WE'LL CONTINUE ON TO THE NEXT.
THIS IS YOUR DUMPSTER ENCLOSURE OVER HERE AND YOUR LITTLE CONCESSIONS BUILDING HERE.
THERE IS ARTIFICIAL TURF THAT HAS BEEN INSTALLED INSIDE OF THE COURT AREA AS WELL AS FOUNDATION PLANTINGS AROUND THE BUILDING AND IN THE MEDIANS ALONG THE EDGES OF THE PROPERTY.
SO THIS IS THE BOTTOM HALF OF THAT BUILDING AS WELL AS THE CONCESSION STAND WOULD BE OFF THE SCREEN HERE.
AND THEN YOU HAVE YOUR OUT PARTS FU FUTURE OUT PARCELS AS WELL AS THE ENTRANCE TO HOW YOU ACCESS THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT HERE.
AND THIS IS THE TOP HALF OF THAT PORTION.
SO ONE 70 IS AT THE TOP OF THIS SCREEN HERE.
I'VE INCLUDED THE PLANT SCHEDULE FOR YOU AS WELL AS THE PLANTING NOTES AND GENERAL NOTES FROM THE LANDSCAPE PLAN.
AGAIN, THE ENTIRE SUBMITTAL DOCUMENTS ARE IN YOUR PACKET.
I JUST CUT AND PASTE SOME OF THAT INFORMATION THAT IS SPECIFIC
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TO THE STAFF REPORT YOU'VE RECEIVED.THE COLORS AND MATERIALS HAVE BEEN PROPOSED HERE, SO THEY'VE GOT ALL NEUTRAL TONES, UM, WITH A LITTLE BIT OF SAVANNAH GRAY BRICK IN A CHEROKEE COLOR.
UM, THE COLOR SCHEME MATCHES THE REQUIREMENTS AND THEN THE PARKING AND COURT SITE LIGHTING PLAN.
THIS ONE IS IMPOSSIBLE TO GET ON A SCREEN FOR YOU.
IT WOULD FIT ON THIS HERE, BUT IT IS A LOT OF NUMBERS.
SO, UM, I'VE ONLY INCLUDED THESE TWO ON HERE.
YOUR PACKET DOES HAVE ALL OF IT.
UM, JASON SENT ME AN EMAIL EARLIER.
OH, THERE, THAT, UM, INDICATED I, I MADE AN ERROR IN THE STAFF REPORT ON THE MAXIMUM FOR THE PARKING AREA, SO I APOLOGIZE IN ADVANCE FOR THAT.
UM, THEY HAVE THEIR LIGHTING EXPERT HERE TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF THE PROJECT AS WELL.
HOWEVER, FOR THE PARKING AREA, THE MAXIMUM IS ACTUALLY 8.32, WHICH IS WITHIN THE, THE RANGE FOR THE, IT'S UNDER THE MAXIMUM, UNDER THE MAXIMUM MAXIMUM FOR THE SITE.
UM, AND THEIR MINIMUM DOES EXCEED THAT MINIMUM.
SO THEIR AVERAGE IS STILL PROPOSED AS 2.7 FOOT CANDLES AND IT'S PERMITTED TO BE 2.4, SO THEY'RE OVER A LITTLE TINY BIT ON THAT.
UM, BUT THE OTHER TWO NUMBERS FOR THE PARKING AREA ARE WITHIN THE, THE RANGE THAT IS PERMITTED BY OUR ORDINANCE.
HOWEVER, AS WE'VE DISCUSSED THROUGH THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN PROCESS AND UM, STAFF HAS DISCUSSED WITH THE APPLICANT, THIS IS A DETERMINATION THAT'S GOING TO NEED TO BE MADE BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION BECAUSE THIS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT IS ACCOUNTED FOR IN OUR ORDINANCE.
WE HAVE A LOT OF DIFFERENT USES THAT CAN BE THERE.
UM, THEY MOSTLY INCLUDE WALKING PATHS, PARKING AREAS, UH, LANDSCAPED, WALKING PATHS, UN LANDSCAPED WALKING PATHS, BASICALLY JUST WALKING PATHS IS WHAT I'VE SUMMARIZED.
BUT, UM, SPORTING SPORTS FIELDS AND COURTS ARE NOT SOMETHING THAT WE'RE ACCOUNTED FOR.
SO, UM, THEY'VE BROUGHT SOMEONE IN TO SPEAK MORE EDUCATEDLY THAN I CAN ON THE LIGHTING PLAN THAT THEY'VE SUBMITTED.
UM, THEY DID INCLUDE THIS NIGHT SKY VIEW OF IT, WHICH IS FAIRLY HELPFUL TO SEE HOW THE SPILLOVER IS GOING TO TAKE PLACE.
UM, AND IF YOU ZOOM IN ON THESE PLANS THAT WE HAVE HERE WHERE THESE LIGHTS ARE ALONG THE EDGE OF THE COURT, IF YOU LOOK SPECIFICALLY ON THE ONES THAT ARE NEAR THE CHAMPIONSHIP COURT, SINCE THAT'S SET INTO THE PROPERTY AND AWAY FROM SOME OF THE OTHER COURTS, YOU CAN SEE HOW ABRUPTLY THOSE NUMBERS DROP OFF.
SO RIGHT AT THE LIGHT YOU'RE GONNA GET A REALLY HIGH COUNT, BUT IT DOES DROP OFF, UM, FAIRLY QUICKLY BEHIND IT.
SO, UM, THEY ARE CUT OFF BULBS THAT ARE GOING TO BE SUCCESSFUL AND AT LEAST THAT APPROACH, WHETHER OR NOT THE NUMBER IS APPROPRIATE IS UP TO Y'ALL AS THIS IS A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS.
THE H P C CONSIDERED, I'M SORRY, THE PLANNING COMMISSION HI GUYS.
CONSIDERS THE CRITERIA WHICH ARE FOUND IN SECTION 3 17 3 OF OUR UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT ORDINANCE, UM, WHICH SPEAKS TO THE DESIGN STANDARDS, THE IN ARTICLE FIVE, WHICH ARE NOT APPLICABLE TO THIS SITE AS IT IS LOCATED WITHIN A P U D.
THE APPLICATION NEEDS TO BE IN CONFORMANCE WITH THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, P U D CONCEPT PLAN, MASTER PLAN, SUBDIVISION PLAN, AND ANY OTHER AGREEMENTS AND PLANS THAT ARE APPLICABLE.
THAT WOULD INCLUDE THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND THEN THE APPLICATION MUST COMPLY WITH THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE APPLICATIONS.
MANUAL STAFF WENT THROUGH THE ITEMS AND HAVE SOME CONDITIONS.
HOWEVER, THE PLANNING COMMISSION HAS THE AUTHORITY TO APPROVE THE APPLICATION IS SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT, APPROVE THE APPLICATION WITH CONDITIONS, DENY THE APPLICATION IS SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT, OR AT REQUEST OF THE APPLICANT COULD POTENTIALLY TABLE THE APPLICATION SHOULD THEY FIND THAT THEY NEED ADDITIONAL INFORMATION.
UM, STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS THAT WITH THE FOLLOWING ITEMS, IT COULD MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF, UM, SECTION 3 17 3 AND COULD POTENTIALLY BE APPROVED WITH CONDITIONS SHOULD YOU SEE FIT.
I WOULD LOVE TO RUN THROUGH THOSE CONDITIONS QUICKLY BEFORE WE OPEN UP TO THE APPLICANT, IF THAT'S ALL RIGHT WITH YOU, MS. MADAM CHAIRMAN.
OKAY, SO FOR THE ARCHITECTURE, UM, THE TWO ITEMS THAT WERE CAPTURED HERE ARE THAT THE REAR ELEVATION WOULD NEED TO BE REVISED TO INCORPORATE A LITTLE MORE ARTICULATION IN THE ROOF LINE AND THE PARAPET REVISED OR PITCH ROOFS ADDED PER SECTION 5 15 9 E TWO OF THE ZONING DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS ORDINANCE.
AND THEN THE OTHER ONE IS THAT THE DETERMINATION ON THE, THE APPROPRIATENESS OF THE USE OF METAL SIDING IDENTIFIED AS A BOARD AND BATTEN STYLE METAL PANEL SIDING, UM, WOULD NEED TO BE MADE AS IT'S A DEVIATION FROM THOSE MATERIALS WHICH ARE LISTED IN THE ORDINANCE.
SO THE TWO AREAS WHICH SHOW THAT ARE GOING TO BE THIS REAR ELEVATION HERE OR LEFT SIDE, IF YOU'RE TALKING HIGHWAY FRONTAGE, UM, THIS AREA HERE THAT HAS THE VERTICAL LINES IS THE METAL BOARD AND BATTEN SIDING.
IT IS LABELED ON THE ZOOMED IN VERSION OF THE, UM,
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ELEVATIONS.BUT IN THE FULL SIZE ONE, IT'S THIS VERTICAL LINED AREA HERE IT IS ON ONLY THIS SIDE AND IT IS STEPPED BACK FROM THE EDGES.
SO IT DOESN'T CHANGE MATERIAL ON A FLAT PLANE.
THERE IS A EIGHT INCH OR SO I, THE LINES WERE THICKER THAN I MEASURED WITH MY, UM, WITH MY REVIEW, UM, SOFTWARE, HOWEVER IT STEPS IN JUST A BIT BEFORE IT CHANGES TO THAT METAL SIDING AND IT'S JUST ON THE REAR ELEVATOR OR THE REAR SLASH LEFT SIDE ELEVATION FACING INTERNAL TO THE COURTS.
SO THEY HAVE INCLUDED HARDY SIDING ON THE FRONT PARKING OUT PARCEL SIDE AS WELL AS UM, SOME BRICK AND THERE'S A COUPLE OTHER MATERIALS THERE.
AND THEN THIS IS ALSO THAT ROOF LINE, WHICH, UM, IS APPROXIMATELY 180 FEET OF NOT BROKEN UP ROOF LINE THERE.
THEY HAVE ADDED SOME, UM, SHED ROOFS OVER DOORS ALONG THE BASE HERE, UM, AS WELL AS THE ENTRANCE HERE.
BUT THIS IS THE ROOF LINE THAT WAS CAPTURED IN THAT.
FOR THE LANDSCAPE COMMENTS, UM, THE HIGHWAY BUFFER NEEDS TO BE REVISED TO MEET THE MINIMUM PLANTING REQUIREMENTS FOUND IN SECTION 15 5 15 8.
COULD YOU GO TO YOUR SHEET THAT I SURE HIGHLIGHTS THAT PLEASE? YEAH.
SO THIS IS THE OVERALL, UM, WHEN THE MATH WAS DONE ON THIS, IT IS BASED ON THE INFORMATION THAT WE HAVE WITH THIS PLAN.
UM, WITH THIS PLAN IT SHOWS THE EXISTING BUFFER AND SOME OF THE TREES ARE CALLED OUT.
HOWEVER, AS ON MOST TREE SURVEYS, THAT COUNT USUALLY STOPS AT EITHER EIGHT OR 14 DEPENDING ON, UM, WHO'S DOING THE TREE SURVEY THAT IS USED AS THE BASE HERE.
SO WE COUNTED THE TREES THAT WE COULD, THAT EXISTED ON THE PLAN.
UM, HOWEVER, THOSE NUMBERS IN THE PLAN ARE GOING TO BE A LITTLE LARGE COMPARED TO WHAT'S ACTUALLY IN THE FIELD, BUT BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THE COUNTS ON ANY OF THOSE THINGS, WE CAN'T INCORPORATE THEM INTO OUR FINDINGS HERE.
UM, SO THE BUFFER REQUIREMENTS ARE THAT THERE IS A REQUIREMENT OF SIX BROADLEAF, SEVEN UNDERSTORY, AND 30 SHRUBS FOR EVERY A HUNDRED LINEAR FEET OF FRONTAGE.
AND SINCE THIS IS A 500 FOOT FRONTAGE, IT REQUIRES 30 OVERSTORY, 35 UNDERSTORY AND 150 SHRUBS WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO COUNT, WHICH AGAIN, THIS IS BASED ON OUR NUMBERS THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE.
14 OVERSTORY 23 AND 66, WHICH MEANS THERE'S AN ADDITIONAL 16 OVER STORY, 12 UNDER STORY AND 84 SHRUBS THAT NEED TO BE INSTALLED OR SHOWN ON THE PLAN IF THERE ARE SOME THAT EXIST FOR IT TO BE IN COMPLIANCE WITH THAT SECTION.
UM, THE NEXT ITEM IS THAT THE PLANTING NOTES WOULD NEED TO BE REVISED TO INDICATE THAT QUANTITIES AND SIZE MINIMUMS ARE MET.
UM, FOR THOSE IT IS THAT THEY'RE JUST, UM, A LITTLE BIT SMALL ON THE CALIPER SIZES OF THOSE.
SO THE BALD CYPRESS, WILLOW OAK AND SCHUMER OAK NEED TO BE A MINIMUM OF 12 FEET AND HIGH WIND PLANTED.
I BELIEVE THEY'RE CURRENTLY SHOWN AT 10.
THEY'RE BEING SHOWN AT 10 TO 12.
SO WHILE THE MAXIMUM DOES SHOW THAT IT NEEDS TO BE THE MINIMUM, SO IT COULD BE 12 TO 14 IF THEY'D LIKE, OR IT CAN BE A MINIMUM OF 12 MAXIMUM OF HOWEVER BIG THEY WANT, BUT IT NEEDS TO MEET THOSE MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS.
AND THEN THE UM, UH, SHRUBS ARE NOT MEETING THE HEIGHT REQUIREMENT AT TIME OF PLANTING EXCEPT FOR THE SHRUBBY U.
SO THOSE JUST NEED TO BE INCREASED IN SIZE.
UM, THE LANDSCAPING BETWEEN THE COURTS AND ESTATE'S DRIVE ALSO NEED TO BE INCREASED TO PROVIDE A BUFFER THERE.
UM, THERE ARE SOME TREES THERE, THEY JUST ARE NOT QUITE TALL ENOUGH TO REALLY DISGUISE THE FENCING THAT IS GOING TO GO AROUND THE COURTS.
AND SO THIS IS THIS AREA HERE SPECIFICALLY THAT NEEDS TO BE, UM, A LITTLE BIT TALLER AT TIME OF PLANTING TO ENSURE THAT THAT FENCE, WHICH IT IS A, UM, CHAIN LINK FENCE, IT IS A COATED AND, AND, UM, SCREENED.
SCREENED, THANK YOU SHIELD IS THE WORD I WAS COMING UP WITH, BUT SCREENED FENCE.
HOWEVER, THAT TYPE OF FENCE IS NOT PERMITTED IN THIS DISTRICT.
WHILE WE KNOW IT'S A REQUIREMENT OF A PICKLEBALL FACILITY LIKE THIS OR ANOTHER, UH, SPORTING FIELD AND UNDERSTAND THAT, WE JUST NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S GOING TO BE ADEQUATELY SCREENED FROM THE START RATHER THAN HAVING TO WAIT A COUPLE YEARS TO GET THAT HEIGHT IN THERE TO PREVENT THAT FROM A STATE DRIVE.
UM, THE LIGHTING, I ALREADY WENT OVER THE, THE, UM, PARKING AREA.
IT IS UP TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO
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MAKE A DETERMINATION ON THE APPROPRIATENESS OF THE ILLUMINATION LEVELS FOR THE COURTS AREA.AND THEN THE LAST ITEM UNDER LIGHTING IS THAT IT IS UP TO YOU ALL TO MAKE A DETERMINATION ON THE APPROPRIATENESS OF THE USE OF LEDS.
AGAIN, THIS CODE WRITTEN BEFORE THAT WAS A THING, SO WE HAVE TO MAKE THAT DETERMINATION EVERY SINGLE TIME SINCE IT IS A, IT IS A CONTRACTUAL AGREEMENT THAT IS SET IN PLACE RATHER THAN SOMETHING THAT WE CAN AMEND QUITE EASILY TO REFLECT THAT.
SO, UM, THOSE ARE THE ONLY ITEMS THAT I HAVE UNDER THE LIGHTING FOR THE ADDITIONAL REQUIREMENTS, AGAIN, THESE ARE THINGS THAT WE'VE KIND OF GONE OVER, BUT THE SIDEWALK NEEDS TO BE PROVIDED ALONG A STATE DRIVE.
IT WAS CONDITION OF THE PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
IT HAS SINCE BEEN ADDED TO THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN DOCUMENTS, BUT BECAUSE THESE CAME IN A MONTH AND A HALF AGO OR SO, UM, THEY DO NOT REFLECT THAT.
SO WE'LL NEED TO SEE THE ESTATE DRIVE SIDEWALK AT THE BASE OF YOUR SCREEN HERE.
THE DESIGNATED SHUTTLE BUS SLASH PULLOUT LOCATION WAS INDICATED ON THE PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN AS WELL.
UM, AND IT, I BELIEVE IS SHOWING UP AS THAT HERE, BUT IT'S NOT SHOWING UP ON OUR PLAN, SO WE JUST NEED CLARIFICATION OF THAT.
HOWEVER, IT CAN ALSO, IF YOU CHOOSE TO OMIT THAT ONE, IT'LL WE'LL STILL NEED TO BE SHOWN ON THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
AND THEN THE FINAL ONE IS THAT OR SECOND TO FINAL, SORRY, IS THAT ALL COMMENTS FROM THE D R C AND PLANNING COMMISSION FOR THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN WILL NEED TO BE ADDRESSED AND COMPLIANT BEFORE YOU CAN ISSUE A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS.
MY ALWAYS STATEMENT IS THAT IF THEY HAVE TO FOR SOME REASON CHANGE THE WHOLE SITE BECAUSE THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN HAS TO CHANGE, THIS COFA WOULD NEED TO POTENTIALLY START, UM, AGAIN IF IT CANNOT BE AMENDED BECAUSE SOMETHING THAT IS NOT APPROVED CANNOT BE AMENDED.
AND THEN THE LAST ONE IS THAT SIGN PERMITS ARE SEPARATE AND WILL NEED TO BE PULLED.
SO ANY SIGNAGE THAT YOU SEE ON THE ELEVATIONS IS PURELY FOR, UM, FOR IDEAS AND NOT NECESSARILY SOMETHING THAT COULD BE APPROVED.
IT WILL HAVE TO BE REVIEWED SEPARATELY.
DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME? I JUST RAN THROUGH A LOT OF INFORMATION.
DID YOU GO THROUGH NUMBER ONE ON THE ARCHITECTURE, THE REAR ELEVATION? DID I MISS WHEN YOU WERE THAT PARA PIT? YEAH.
I SAID IT OUT LOUD BUT I DIDN'T POINT WHAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT.
PARA PIT AND THE SO STRAIGHT LINE, THE ORDINANCE ALLOWS, UH, OR DOES NOT ALLOW FOR FLAT ROOFS.
IT DOES ALLOW FOR ROOFS THAT HAVE A FOUR AND 12 PITCH OR GREATER AND THOSE CONCEALED BY A PEDIMENT.
IN THE PAST, A PARAPET HAS BEEN PERMITTED TO BE SOMETHING THAT WE, UM, ALLOW TO COVER THOSE FLAT ROOFS.
THE PLANNING COMMISSION HAS SEEN SEVERAL OF THOSE COME THROUGH.
THE CHALLENGE THAT WE HAVE WITH IT ON, OR I HAVE, I'M SORRY, STAFF HAS WITH IT ON THIS SPECIFIC ONE, IS THAT THE PARAPET, SORRY, I ALMOST SAID PEDIMENT AGAIN, PARAPET PROPOSED ON THIS SECTION HERE IS VERY SHALLOW, UM, AND ACTUALLY FALLS BELOW THE ROOF LINE AS IT WOULD MEET UP WITH THE REAR OF THAT FLAT OR 0.5 AND 12 SLOPED ROOF OF THIS PORTION OF THE BUILDING.
UM, SO THE PARAPET FALLS HERE, WHICH ACTUALLY FALLS BELOW THE, THE EDGE OF THE ROOF LINE.
WHILE IT IS UNDERSTOOD THAT THE HUMAN STANDING ON THE COURTS LOOKING UP AT THE BUILDING WON'T EVER GET THE PERSPECTIVE WHERE THEY'RE STANDING IN LINE WITH THAT PARAPET AS FLAT ROOFS OR SOMETHING THAT AREN'T SPECIFIC OR SPECIFICALLY NOT PERMITTED, UM, IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE FIND IS, SHOULD BE INCREASED IN HEIGHT A LITTLE BIT TO BETTER CONCEAL THAT SO THAT IT MEETS THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE PEDIMENT RATHER THAN JUST A, UM, HERB ON THE ROOF ESSENTIALLY.
SO THAT'S THE, THAT'S WHAT I WAS LOOKING AT THERE.
SO YOU'RE SAYING THAT THE SIDE, IF I'M LOOKING AT IT ON THE LEFT, WOULD NEED TO BE, UM, MORE ARTICULATED ON NOT THAT SIDE, THE OTHER SIDE.
UM, ARE YOU SAYING THE ONE ON THE RIGHT NEEDS TO BE RAISED UP? THE ONE ON THE RIGHT NEEDS TO, WOULD NEED TO BE RAISED, RAISED A BIT SO THAT IT IS AT LEAST CONCEALING THE REAR OF THIS FLAT ROOF HERE.
MS. PETERSON, I QUESTION THERE'S LIKE 14, 13 CONDITIONS THAT YOU'VE IDENTIFIED.
I THINK YOU SAID ONE OR TWO MAY HAVE BEEN RESOLVED THE LAST TIME WE TALKED ABOUT THIS WAS IN SEPTEMBER OF 22.
ARE THE, DO THEY KNOW ABOUT ALL YOUR CONCERNS HERE AND HAVE THEY KNOWN ABOUT THESE CONCERNS? SO SOME OF THEM, YES.
UM, SOME OF THEM, NO, BECAUSE THIS IS THE FIRST TIME THAT THE CERTIFICATE APPROPRIATENESS HAS FORMALLY BEEN PRESENTED.
UM, STAFF HAS HAD A COUPLE CONVERSATIONS ABOUT SOME OF THESE ITEMS, BUT AS THINGS EVOLVE, SO, UM, SPECIFICALLY IT'S GOING TO BE THE LIGHTING AND THE ARCHITECTURE.
THIS IS THE FIRST TIME THAT THOSE HAVE BEEN
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PUT DOWN ON PAPER BECAUSE THEY'RE THE FIRST TIME THEY'VE BEEN THERE.UM, THE LANDSCAPING AT CONCEPTUAL, IT'S FAIRLY MINIMAL FOR THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
UM, SOME OF THESE ITEMS WERE CAPTURED IN THE CONCEPTUAL, THE PRELIMINARY, I'M SORRY, PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
UM, AND SOME OF THEM ARE NEW BECAUSE ADDITIONAL INFORMATION HAS BEEN PROVIDED.
UM, SO KIND OF SOME OF IT
I'M GONNA, UM, IF EVERYONE'S OKAY, SEE IF THE APPLICANT WANTS TO SPEAK BEFORE WE HAVE OUR QUESTIONS.
PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME, GIVE YOU A PRETTIER PICTURE TO LOOK AT TO START.
JIMMY ATKINS WITH COURT ATKINS GROUP AND I HAVE A HOST OF PEOPLE OVER HERE, UH, THE OWNER, DEVELOPER, RICK, MEGAN.
I'VE GOT, UM, THE LIGHTING AND ELECTRICAL EXPERTS, WARREN AND JASON AND MR. TILLER OVER HERE FOR LANDSCAPING.
AND THEN I DON'T THINK WE HAVE ANY LEGAL THINGS, BUT WALTER'S HERE TO SUPPORT US SINCE HE WAS ALREADY HERE.
SO HE WANTED TO, UM, YOU DON'T HAVE TO REPRESENT EVERY APPLICANT.
THAT'S SO, UM, A COUPLE BIG, IT'S NOT A POSITIVE
UH, A COUPLE BIG PICTURE THINGS, UM, JUST FROM A, THE HIGHWAY QUARTER, JUST TO KIND OF GIVE YOU A LITTLE INSIGHT INTO HOW WE ENDED UP WITH THIS PLAN.
WE DID INTENTIONALLY, WE ORIENT THE BUILDING THIS WAY SO THAT, AGAIN, FROM A A CORRIDOR PERSPECTIVE, WHICH IS HIGHWAY ONE 70, IT WOULD HAVE A MINIMAL IMPACT TO THE CORRIDOR.
UM, WHEN WE GET INTO LIGHTING LEVELS, WE INTENTIONALLY PUT THE TOURNAMENT COURT, UH, ALONG A STATE DRIVE AS FAR AWAY FROM THE CORRIDOR THAT WE CAN GET AND ACROSS THE STREET FROM A STORAGE UNIT.
UM, AND THEN, UH, THERE'S A FUTURE RESTAURANT BUILDING, SOME OTHER THINGS THAT WE'LL SCREEN UP FROM THE LEFT SIDE.
UM, AND THEN, UH, WE CAN TALK ABOUT LIGHTING, BUT I JUST WANTED TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND ON THAT.
UH, AND THEN I KNOW JOSH, UH, HAS, UH, SOME THINGS IN REGARDING THE, THE BUFFER.
IT'S ESSENTIALLY AN OPAQUE BUFFER.
AND SO THE, WE HAVE PHOTOGRAPHS OF IF YOU OR IF YOU'VE BEEN OUT TO THE SITE, LIKE YOU CAN'T SEE THROUGH IT.
SO THE DISCUSSIONS WITH THE TOWN WERE, UH, DURING DEVELOPMENT PLAN WAS WE'RE GONNA LEAVE THAT OPAQUE BUFFER AND PROTECT IT AND THEN WORK WITH, IF FOR SOME REASON SOMETHING DIES THAT WE, BUT IT REALLY DIDN'T SEEM APPROPRIATE TO COME IN AND TEAR OUT THE BUFFER IN ORDER TO CALCULATE EVERYTHING THAT WAS THERE WHEN IT'S ALREADY A HUNDRED PERCENT OPAQUE.
CONVERSATIONS HAPPENED, UH, WITH STAFF ON THE DEVELOPMENT SPECIFIC TO THE ARCHITECTURE, WHICH IS WHAT MY PARTS ARE.
UM, AND WE, UH, APPRECIATE, UH, KATIE'S INPUT HERE, UH, ON THIS FACADE.
IN TALKING WITH, UH, THE OWNER, UM, WE ACTUALLY, UH, HAVE DISCUSSED, UH, UNDULATING THAT, UH, SECTION OF THE FACADE THAT WOULD, UM, BASICALLY TAKE INTO ACCOUNT MAYBE SOMETHING SIMILAR TO WHAT WE DID ON MAY RIVER ROW, BUT THESE, UM, VERTICAL ELEMENTS HERE AND THEN ACTUALLY BREAK UP THE MONOTONY OF THAT TO GIVE IT SOME, UH, ADDITIONAL, UM, I FORGET HOW SHE DESCRIBED IT, ARTICULATION OF THE, OF THE PARAPET.
UM, AND THEN, UH, IN TALKING TO, UH, MR. MEGAN ABOUT THE MATERIALS, UH, I KNOW WE'VE BEEN SUCCESSFUL IN HAVING THIS METAL BOARD AND BATTEN, UH, APPROVED IN THE PAST, WHICH OBVIOUSLY IS NO GUARANTEE FOR THE FUTURE.
UH, BUT CONSIDERING THAT WE HAVE A LOT OF HARDY PLANK AND EVERYTHING IN HERE, WE'D ACTUALLY, UM, BE HAPPY TO SWITCH THAT TO PARTY SIDING IF WE FELT LIKE THAT WAS A MORE APPROPRIATE MATERIAL AND WE CAN JUST CROSS IT OFF THE LIST.
UM, BUT WE DID, AS, UH, KATIE MENTIONED, UM, TRY TO PROVIDE A BREAK IN THOSE MATERIALS, BUT I'LL JUST OFFER THAT UP IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU FEEL STRONGLY ABOUT THAT WE CAN, SINCE WE'VE GOT HARDY ON THE OTHER SIDE, WE CAN CONSIDER HARDY ON THIS SIDE AS WELL.
UM, AND I'LL LET JOSH TALK ABOUT LANDSCAPING AND WE CAN GET INTO LIGHTING.
I KNOW YOU MENTIONED THAT THERE ARE 13 COMMENTS.
THAT'S ONE JUST ALWAYS POPS UP AND WE KIND OF MOVE FORWARD.
LET'S, LET'S GO EACH CATEGORY.
SO IF YOU'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT THE ARCHITECTURE, MAYBE WE TALK ABOUT THAT FIRST AND THEN, THEN WE'LL DO LANDSCAPE AND JUST GO DOWN THE LINE THAT WAY SO WE'RE NOT HAVING TO REMEMBER BACK AND FORTH.
UM, DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY COMMENTS THEY WANNA START WITH FOR ARCHITECTURE? ALRIGHT.
WHY DOES IT LOOK LIKE AN AUTO REPAIR SHOP? NO, IT LOOKS LIKE AN AMAZON WAREHOUSE.
I LOVE THREE OF THE ELEVATIONS.
I DON'T HAVE THE PROBLEMS OR CONCERNS THAT SOME PEOPLE WITH THE PARA PARAPETS MIGHT HAVE.
AND THAT, AND I UNDERSTAND AND I'LL AGREE, BUT IT LOOKS LIKE AN AUTO REPAIR SHOP ON THE ONE SIDE ARE THESE ROLL UP GARAGE DOORS WITH LANDSCAPING RIGHT IN FRONT OF THEM.
AND IT'S NOT TO GO IN AND OUT, BUT JUST TO CREATE SOME, UM, OUTDOOR ENVIRONMENT.
THERE'S A LOT OF, UH, PRECEDENTS AND
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CHICKEN AND PICKLE AND, UH, VARIETY OF, UH, PICKLEBALL, UH, REC CENTERS AND CLUBHOUSES THROUGHOUT.SO THE THOUGHT, UM, I I, I HEAR YOU ABOUT PRECEDENT AND THAT, AND I'M, I'M ONE OF SEVEN.
I SAY THAT A LOT UP HERE, BUT IT JUST, CAN YOU DESCRIBE MAYBE WHAT YOU WERE THINKING ABOUT WITH THE ARTICULATION WHEN YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT MAY RIVER ROW AND THIS LIKE COMPARING LIKE, OH, CAN YOU DESCRIBE IT JUST A LITTLE BIT BETTER? SO WE, WE'VE, WE, WE ADDED THE SLOPE RUSE HERE AND JUST SOME RAIN PROTECTION OVER THE ROLLUP DOORS AND THE THAW.
IT'S SHOWING UP THERE IS THAT WE WOULD ARTICULATE UP THROUGH THIS ROOF AND CREATE SOME UPS AND DOWNS ALONG THAT MUCH LIKE AVER.
SO WHAT, WE'VE ALREADY GOT SOME COLUMNS THERE, SO WE'D ACTUALLY JUST EXTEND THAT BUMP UP AND GIVE IT A LITTLE BIT MORE HEIGHT THERE.
SO WE'LL GET SOME SHADE AND SHADOW ALONG THAT WAY.
KIND OF LIKE THE NEW BUILDING AT MAY RIVER ROAD, THE BILLY WATERSON OFFICES WHERE YOU HAVE THAT SOLID PIECE, THAT BRICK PIECE.
SO, AND THEN WE'VE GOT THE TRANSOM WINDOWS ABOVE THERE.
SO WE WOULD CREATE JUST KIND OF A RHYTHM GOING DOWN THERE.
HER QUESTION, CAN YOU DO SOME OF THE IN AND OUT AS WELL AS THE UP AND DOWN YOU THINK? UH, YEAH.
SO THE, WE'VE ALREADY GOT THE, THE OUTS SOME THERE, UH, AT EACH OF THE DOORS OKAY.
WE WANTED TO EXTEND THAT ARTICULATION UP.
YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT GONNA BE FOUR OR FIVE FEET.
WE'VE GOT LANDSCAPING AND EVERYTHING.
AND YEAH, YOU HAVE TO THINK IN THE FOREGROUND OF THIS.
WE HAVE 16 COURTS, UH, THAT HAVE FENCING AND LANDSCAPING AND POLE AND YOU KNOW, I MEAN, IT, IT, THERE'S, AND A PARK IN BETWEEN THAT.
BUT THAT, THAT BUMP, WHICH IS SIX TO EIGHT INCHES, WHICH IS KINDA WHAT WE HAVE ON THE INSTITUTE THERE AS WELL, WHERE ARTICULATE UP AND THEN BECOME PART OF THAT PARAPET BOMB SAYING IT'S NOT MUCH, BUT THAT'S WHAT HE'S TALKING ABOUT.
AGAIN, I THINK THE HARDY, WE'VE ALREADY GOT IT THERE.
UH, I HAVEN'T SEEN AMAZON WAREHOUSE THAT THEY USUALLY TILT UP CONCRETE CONSTRUCTION.
UM, BUT UH, YOU KNOW, I I, I THINK WE CAN GET SOME, SOME SHADE AND SHADOW THERE AND SOME ARTICULATE THE, UM, THE HEIGHT OF THAT AND UH, THE STOREFRONT AND YOU KNOW, AGAIN, IT'S THE BACK OF THE BUILDING.
UM, BUT IT IS AN IMPORTANT SIDE AND WE DON'T WANT IT TO BE UNATTRACTIVE FROM THE OTHER COURTS.
UM, BUT WE CERTAINLY WANTED TO, UM, HIGHLIGHT AS YOU COME DOWN THAT BOULEVARD ON THE SITE, UM, YOU KNOW, THE MAIN ENTRANCE ON THAT SIDE, THE CORRIDOR, GETTING THE NARROW SIDE THERE AND GIVE SOME, SOME DETAIL.
UM, I WAS THINKING SOMETHING EVEN MUCH MORE SIMPLER.
UM, IF YOU TOOK THAT MIDDLE PIECE, LIKE ON THE HIGHLANDS CROSSING DRIVE WITH THE ORS, LIKE IF YOU TOOK THAT OBJECT AND PUT IT DOWN THERE, THEN THAT'S THAT CIRCULATION SPACE.
WE COULD JUST NEEDS TO BE BROKEN MORE.
ALMOST 200 FEET OF THE SAME LOOK JUST NEEDS TO BE BROKEN UP.
WHAT I'M AFRAID OF IS IF YOU DO THE OTHER, UM, I WOULDN'T, AND YOU KNOW THIS, YOU WOULDN'T WANT IT TO BE IN, OUT, IN, OUT, IN, OUT, IN, OUT.
AND BE SO EITHER IT'D HAVE TO BE LIKE TWO OF THE BAYS WERE OUT AND, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING THAT WAS BALANCED BUT NOT SYMMETRICAL.
WE CERTAINLY CONSIDER JUST, UH, HIGHLIGHTING THE, THE MIDDLE SECTION.
IT'S ABOUT MIDPOINT AND YEAH, THAT LOOKS NICE.
AND, AND CREATE A LITTLE BIT OF AN, AN ELEMENT THERE THAT MAYBE EVEN HAS A LITTLE BIT MORE DEPTH.
'CAUSE I KNOW IT'S NOT AS DEEP THERE JUST, AND IT, THE FUNCTION'S DIFFERENT, SO.
AND YOU'VE GOT, UM, THERE'S SOME CONNECTING WALK THERE AS WELL.
SO AGAIN, WE COULD, MAYBE IT'S ALREADY PULLS OUT IF, UH, I DON'T KNOW, I CAN'T ZOOM IN HERE, BUT THERE'S ALREADY THAT LITTLE BAY POPS OUT, I THINK THREE OR FOUR FEET ALREADY.
SO WE COULD BEGIN TO JUST ARTICULATE THAT FURTHER UP AND, AND DEFINE THAT AND KEEP EVERYTHING ELSE.
I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING AND ALSO WE DON'T, I, I, I THINK, YOU KNOW, THE MORE LIPSTICK YOU ADD TO IT, THE MORE IT FEELS FAKE.
SO HERE'S MY REALLY ROUGH, NOT REAL GOOD ARCHITECTURE PIN, JUST YOUR NORMAL THING, JUST LIKE WHAT THEY HAVE IN FRONT, BUT THAT'S MY OPINION GIVES YOU, IT'S GOTTA BE A B A B A RHYTHM.
'CAUSE YOU GOT THE BRICKS TO TURN THE CORNER.
I THINK YOU'RE GETTING THE SENSE OF YOU NEED SOMETHING.
AND I THINK WE ALSO, FROM AN ARCHITECTURE STANDPOINT, HAVE TO INCREASE THIS HEIGHT OF THAT PARAPET.
I THINK THAT ALL NEEDS TO BE A, WE CAN MAKE IT THE SAME HEIGHT AS THE OTHER SIDE.
IT'S ALREADY ON THE OTHER SIDE.
I DO HAVE A QUESTION THAT WHAT IS THE DOME? THE DOME? I
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ASKED THAT.IT'S THAT BIG LARGE, UH, YOU, YOU MEAN THE UH, THE KIND OF OCTAGONAL, UM, YEAH.
UM, SO, UH, INSIDE, I DON'T KNOW, SCROLL WAY UP.
THERE'S A, UH, THERE'S A BAR RESTAURANT, THERE'S AN EVENT SPACE UP THERE.
AND IN CONCERT THERE'S A RESTAURANT BUILDING THAT KIND OF ATTACHES TO THIS THING WITH AN OUTDOOR DINING, BUT IT'S NOT PART OF THIS PROJECT.
BUT I'M JUST KIND OF DESCRIBING WHAT'S HAPPENING THERE.
LIKE ACROSS THE PARKING LOT THAT NO, IT ATTACHES TO THIS BUILDING ATTACHES.
WHAT WAS THAT IT RIGHT THERE? RIGHT THERE.
OH, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THAT LITTLE ONE, THE ONE ON TOP THERE IS THIS, WHAT DID I DO? YOU DIDN'T DO ANYTHING.
UH, RIGHT, SO THERE IS A PAD RIGHT HERE.
AND THAT, THAT IS A, UH, RESTAURANT BUILDING THAT THEN TIES INTO THIS PIECE AND SO THAT, THAT PORCH EXTENDS AROUND THAT AND IT BECOMES THIS OUTDOOR VIEWING PLATFORM TO THE TOURNAMENT COURT.
AND IF THEY DO TELEVISED THINGS UP THERE.
OH, UM, SO IT IS A HIP HEXAGON.
IT'S A HEXAGON WITH A WHAT? NOT REALLY ROUNDED DOME.
IT'S PROBABLY REVIT DOING ITS MAGIC.
I WAS TRYING TO READ THAT ROOF PLAN TOO.
FELT LIKE YOU WERE MISSING SOME, SOMETHING IS LIKE THIS.
UM, I DON'T QUITE UNDERSTAND IT THOUGH STILL.
LIKE WHAT IS THE ADVANTAGE OF THAT TYPE OF ROOF STRUCTURE? LIKE IS IT DOING SOMETHING WITH ACOUSTICS? LIKE WHAT IS THE, WHY DOES IT NEED TO BE THAT SHAPE LOOKS EXPENSIVE,
JUST BECAUSE IN THE LOW COUNTRY WE HAVE SIMPLER FORMS. I'M LOOKING AT IT RIGHT NOW.
SO THERE SHOULD BE A RIDGE RIGHT HERE.
I'M, LOOK, I'M LOOKING AT IT UP ON THE BIG SCREEN 'CAUSE THIS IS REALLY SMALL.
NOT REALLY SURE WHAT'S SO, UH, THIS IS SHOULD BE A RIDGE RIGHT HERE AND THEN THAT SLOPE THAT WAY AND THAT SLOPES THAT WAY.
AND THEN THIS IS BASICALLY LIKE A BAY AND A BAY.
SO I'M NOT REALLY SURE WHAT'S, WELL THAT WOULD MAKE SENSE, BUT THIS DOES NOT MAKE SENSE.
NO, WHAT ARE SAYING? YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I WAS DOING.
SO, UH, THIS IS CERTAINLY A, UH, I DON'T EVEN KNOW HOW THEY GOT THE, I'M NOT A REVIT EXPERT SO I DON'T, NEITHER AM I DUNNO HOW THEY MAKE THESE THINGS UP.
BUT THIS IS SUPPOSED TO BE A STRAIGHT RIDGE RIDGE HERE.
AND THIS IS SUPPOSED TO SLOPE DOWN AND DOWN WALL AND THIS CABLE DIES INTO IT.
AND THIS IS A THREE-SIDED BAY.
AND THAT'S A THREE-SIDED BAY THAT WOULD IT'S A HIP.
THAT'S, YEAH, I'M LOOKING AT THAT.
YEAH, THAT'S WHY I WAS LIKE, UM, IT'S A HAPPY TO WHATEVER YOU WANNA SAY AND DO THAT.
IT'LL BE A TRADITIONAL HIP FORM.
SO YOU HAVE THAT, YOU HAVE YOUR LITTLE ANGLED WALLS AND IT COMES UP AS A HIP TO THE POINT AND THERE'S A RIDGE AND YOU'RE DONE.
THAT'S WHAT THAT'S SUPPOSED TO BE.
THIS IS LIKE TOO COMPLICATED TO EVEN, LIKE ARE WE GOING TO AN ORCHESTRA? HOW, HOW WOULD YOU DESCRIBE THE IMAGE? THIS, THERE'S SUPPOSED TO BE A RIDGE.
I GUESS I'M NOT SUPPOSED TO DO THAT, THAT BUT JAMES POINT SHOWED LIKE WHERE THE RIDGE ARE YOU? OH YOU CAN DRAW.
MAYBE I'VE LOST MY MOUSE SO IT'S OKAY.
SHE IS PRETTY GOOD OF ABOUT SHE DIDN'T DO THAT.
THERE YOU, IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE.
SUPPOSED TO TRADITIONALLY RIDGE THERE.
AND THEN IT'S BASICALLY A KIND OF A, LIKE A THING, YOU KNOW, THREE SIDED.
AND THEN I WAS NOT GOOD GUYS DID A GOOD JOB, KATIE.
THAT'S A GOOD, SO A TRADITIONAL ROOF.
I DON'T, JUST TRYING TO KEEP TRACK.
SOMETHING GOT, I'M GLAD THAT WE TALKED ABOUT IT BECAUSE I GUESS YOU CAN JUST LIKE PICK ROOFS AND LET THEM BUILD ROOF.
I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT, WHAT IS THE USE OF THAT AGAIN? JUST SAY THAT OBSERVATION.
IT'S A TRADITIONAL UH, HIP ROOF WITH NO WHAT GOES ON UNDERNEATH IT? OBSERVATION.
OH, THERE, THERE'S A, AN EVENT SPACE UNDERNEATH THAT AND THEN THE BAR DOWN BELOW AND THEN THERE'S THE KIND OF THE UPPER GALLERY FOR THE TOURNAMENT COURT.
SO WHEN YOU'RE DRINKING FOR THAT, YOU LOOK UP, YOU THINK YOU'RE ALREADY DRUNK BECAUSE, AND YOU CAN WATCH PICKLEBALL AT THE UP.
AND THEN I THINK FOR, DID WE ALREADY SAY WE'RE ALL AND IS EVERYONE OKAY WITH THE METAL BOARD AND BATTEN LOOK THAT WE'VE PROVED PREVIOUSLY? YOU ALREADY SAID THAT HE COULD SWITCH IT.
YOU WANNA SWITCH IT TO HARDY ONE? THAT'S YOUR OPINION.
I LIKE THE CHANGE THE MATERIAL THAT'S ON THE NORTH SIDE.
SO YOU'RE NOT GONNA HAVE DIRECT SUN ON THAT.
YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A LOT OF SHADOWS.
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WHAT HE'S TALKING ABOUT DOING.IF WE DO SOMETHING IN THE MIDDLE, IT'S GONNA BREAK THAT UP.
WELL AND IF YOU HAVE YOUR WINDOWS ARE MORE HORIZONTAL ON THAT BACKSIDE AND THE VERTICAL OF BOARD MATTING, I THINK THEY RELATE WELL TO EACH OTHER AS OPPOSED TO EVERYTHING GOING.
IT'S NOT LANGUAGE GOOD AT THIS RUB OFF.
UM, THE ONLY OTHER JUST HOUSEKEEPING ITEM IS ON YOUR CONCESSIONS AREA.
I THINK IT'S JUST A NOTE THAT NEEDS TO BE MOVED.
YOU'RE NOT INTENDING FOR A SERVICE YARD TO BE ON THE ONE 70 SIDE, CORRECT? IT'S NOT.
SO YES, THAT NOTE'S SUPPOSED TO BE THAT NOTE'S IN THE WRONG SPOT.
MOVED IT INTEGRATED INTO THE, AND THEN YOU ALSO HAVE ANOTHER HOUSEKEEPING NOTE.
UM, ON THAT ROOF PLANT IT SAYS STANDING SEA METAL ON THE BOTTOM.
NOTE THAT NEEDS TO COME OFF 'CAUSE IT'S REALLY ASPHALT SHINGLE DOWN, DOWN, DOWN RIGHT THERE.
'CAUSE YOU'VE ALREADY GOT IT CAUGHT AT OUT AS ASPHALT ON THE OTHER SIDE.
I ACTUALLY THINK THAT IS SUPPOSED TO BE STANDING SEA METAL AND IT, IT'S THE WRONG ON THE FOUR 12 SLOPE.
IS IT METAL? I THINK IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE STANDING SEA METAL AND IT GOT OH, A 12 TO FOUR 12.
THE UM, OH, THERE'S NOT A LINE SEPARATING THE HIP.
THE GABLE FROM THE IT IS, IT'S RIGHT THERE.
I THINK JUST A GOES FROM A 12 TO FOUR 12 THERE.
THAT'S, I THINK THAT'S MORE OF A, THAT'S FOUR RIGHT THERE.
AND YEAH, THINK THAT'S BUT THE ELEVATIONS DON'T SHUT THAT.
I THINK THAT'S THE WRONG GRAPHIC.
YEAH, JUST IT WAS JUST AN OBSERVATION.
DID YOU SAY ABOUT THE CONCESSIONS? UH, I WAS JUST CLARIFYING THAT THE SERVICE SHARD IS NOT GONNA BE ON ONE 70 SIDE.
THERE'S JUST A NOTE THAT'S IN THE WRONG SPOT AND THEN THE ROOF MATERIAL NEEDS TO BE COORDINATED ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.
THOSE ARE MY THINGS FOR ARCHITECTURE.
ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANY MORE ARCHITECTURE? KELLY, DO YOU HAVE ANY MORE? I, I HAVE A MINOR QUESTION AND I GUESS IT COULD GO UNDER ARCHITECTURE OR SOMETHING TOTALLY DIFFERENT, BUT THE, THE MAIN STADIUM ARE THERE STANDS AROUND THAT MAIN STADIUM.
UM, SO THERE ARE, IF A TOURNAMENT, WHICH WILL, I MEAN THEY'RE NOT GONNA HAPPEN THAT OFTEN, BUT WHEN THEY DO, THEY WOULD YOU HAVE, BE CAREFUL WHERE YOU'RE GOING WITH.
UM, THEY WILL, THEY WILL BRING IN TEMPORARY STADIUM SEATING FOR THAT FOR A SPECIAL EVENT AND THEN SPECIAL EVENT IN THE RESTAURANT PHASE.
THERE ACTUALLY IS KIND OF A TIERED, UM, GATHERING STAIR THAT COMES DOWN TO THE STADIUM.
BUT AGAIN THAT JUST GIVING YOU SOME INSIGHT TO THIS.
OKAY, SO THERE'S, THERE'S NOTHING PERMANENT BECAUSE WE SHOULD BE LOOKING AT IT IF THERE'S SOMETHING PERMANENT, NOTHING PERMANENT IN THE SUBMITTAL.
THERE'S ROOM, THERE'S ENOUGH ROOM AROUND THE TO CENTER TOURNAMENT COURT TO HAVE THOSE STANDS BUILT IN.
CAN WE SEE A PICTURE OF THAT? IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S QUITE A BIT OF ROOM THERE.
UH, WHICH RELATES TO MY FOLLOW-UP.
SO, UH, ARE WE, ARE WE VENTURING INTO LANDSCAPE, VENTURING INTO, WE HAVE, UH, AREAS HERE FOR TEMPORARY TOURNAMENT SANDS.
WHEN THE RESTAURANT BUILDING COMES IN HERE, THERE IS A GATHERING STAIR THAT WILL BECOME PERMANENT AND BECOME PART OF IT AND YOU'LL SEE THAT WHEN IT PASSES.
SO WHERE WOULD YOU PUT THE BLEACHERS IF YOU CALL 'EM THAT? AROUND THAT? ON THE, ON THE BOTTOM HERE? NO, THERE'S FOUR SIDES.
BLEACHERS HERE AND THEN YOU CAN PUT TEMPORARY BLEACHERS HERE.
AND THEN YOU HAVE THE THREE SITES.
AND THEN YOU HAVE THE KIND OF GALLERY UP HERE.
AND AGAIN, IF IT'S TELEVISED FOR SOME REASON THEY'LL SET THE CAMERAS UP THERE AND UM, WHERE DID THE TV TRUCKS PARK? NO, I'M MY GOD,
UM, CAN I MENTION TWO THINGS TO YOU? SURE.
WE ACTUALLY HAD PLANNED ON MAKING THAT AREA, WE CAN'T SEE WHAT HELL IS.
A PERMANENT SET OF BLEACHERS AND THE OTHER TWO ON THE SIDES TEMPORARY THAT CAME IN AND OUT.
HOW? HOW IT'S JUST THE APPLICATION PROCESS HAS TO BE SUCH, YEAH.
AND HOW HIGH WOULD THOSE BLEACHERS BE? BECAUSE THEN WE HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THE SCREENING.
I THINK ON THIS PARTICULAR SIDE, THERE'RE ONLY ABOUT FIVE.
BUT AGAIN, THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WE, WE WOULD COME BACK IN TO COORDINATE WITH STAFF.
WE CAN COORDINATE WITH STAFF ON THAT.
AND AND THE OTHER THING, CAN WE GO BACK TO THE ELEVATION OF THE PARAGRAPH? WELL I CALLED IF, IF WE TAKE THIS AND SORT OF MATCH THAT AND BRING THAT UP AND CREATE A HIGHER IMPEDIMENT.
IS THAT ACCEPT? THAT'S WHAT SHE SKETCHED UP.
THAT'S WHAT WE'LL, I MEAN THAT'S MY OPINION.
YEAH, NO, THAT'S WHAT I'M SEEMS TO BREAK IT UP VISUALLY.
BREAK IT UP, YEAH'S BREAK UP BECAUSE ALL I'M TRYING TO DO IS GET SOME CLARITY SO EVERYBODY AGREES ON SOMETHING SO WE DON'T HAVE TO GO BACK AND FORTH.
WELL SOMETHING HERE AT THE MAIN ENTRANCE THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING SIMILAR TO THE SIDE AND THEN WE'LL RAISE THIS PARAPET UP.
TO LINE UP WITH THE OTHER ONE.
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IS THERE ANY WAY WE CAN HAVE THE OPTION OF GOING EITHER WITH THE METAL SIDING OR THE PARTY BOARD, DEPENDING, PICK ONE OR THE OTHER AND THEN I WOULD SAY LET US KNOW.SO THEY'LL, BUT IF THEY APPROVE THE MEDAL AND I THINK IT'LL LOOK NICE IF WE WANT TO CHANGE IT, WE'LL HAVE TO COME BACK.
YOU JUST HAVE TO COME BACK FOR AN AMENDMENT THAT'S, OR TO GO WITH A MEDAL FOR NOW.
IF THAT'S WHAT DO YOU WANT? WHAT? WELL, WE HAD METAL.
I MEAN WE'RE RIGHT NOW WE'RE SAYING WE'RE OKAY WITH THIS.
LIKE THE DIFFERENCE IN THE MATERIAL.
JOSH, WOULD YOU LIKE TO COME UP AND TALK ABOUT LANDSCAPE AND LIGHTING?
CHARLIE HAS A LOT OF QUESTIONS ON LIGHTING.
NO, I JUST HAVE ONE AS IT RELATES TO THE STADIUM.
I DO HAVE SOME SHOW AND TELL S THE BENCH.
I DON'T KNOW, I DON'T KNOW IF I TRUST YOU, BUT LET'S SEE.
YOU USED TO SOME PHOTOS OF THE, UH, OF THE RECORD.
SOME EXISTING PHOTOS THAT JOSH TILLER HAS BROUGHT UP.
WELL, YOU NEED ONE FOR THE RECORD.
YOU CAN HAVE NEXT IS THIS I JUST WANT ONE.
I'M THE LAND PLANNER, LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT.
UM, I'VE BEEN INVOLVED WITH THIS PROPERTY LONG TIME AND THE PROPERTY OWNER GOING BACK ALMOST 20 YEARS.
AND AT THAT TIME, HIGHWAY ONE 70 WAS JUST A TWO LANE SHADY COUNTRY ROAD.
UM, HARD BEEN WIDENED THE FOUR LANES LIKE IT IS NOW.
UM, IN THE, IF WE GO BACK TO THE, WHEN THE JONES ESTATE WAS APPROVED AND PLANNED, THAT WAS 2000, ALMOST 24 YEARS AGO.
UM, THE INTENT OF THE BUFFER WAS TO BE AN OPAQUE BUFFER AS IT EXISTED AT THE TIME.
AND WE STILL HAVE THAT ORIGINAL OPAQUE BUFFER.
THIS IS, WE'RE ON THE EAST SIDE OF ONE 70.
THAT'S THE ORIGINAL CORRIDOR FOR HIGHWAY 1 72.
UM, THAT BEING SAID THAT WHAT YOU SEE THERE IN THOSE PHOTOGRAPHS ARE, IS THE SAME EXACT BUFFER THAT WAS THERE 20 YEAR, 20 YEARS AGO.
PLUS, UM, PROBABLY GOING BACK A CENTURY.
UM, WE, AS WE WERE GOING THROUGH D R C, UM, BECAUSE IT'S VISUALLY YOU CAN SEE IT, IT'S AN OPAQUE BUFFER.
UM, WE FELT THAT IT WAS, IT WOULD BE A LITTLE TOO CUMBERSOME TO HAVE TO GO OUT THERE AND SURVEY EVERY LITTLE SHRUB, EVERY LITTLE UNDERSTORY TREE, EVERY LITTLE SAPLING TO MEET THE STANDARD.
UM, BECAUSE VISUALLY IT ALREADY MEETS THE STANDARD BECAUSE END, END OF THE JONES AGREEMENT, IF YOU'RE PLANTING A, IF YOU HAD A A, A NAKED BUFFER THERE, IF YOU'RE PLANTING IT, IT ONLY HAS TO BE AT 50% OPACITY AFTER THREE YEARS.
UM, AND THAT'S THE EXTENT OF IT.
SO EVENTUALLY IT WOULD BECOME AN OPAQUE BUFFER.
WE'RE ALREADY AT THAT OPAQUE BUFFER.
UM, WHEN WE MET WITH STAFF, UM, DURING THE D R C PROCESS, IT WAS DECIDED THEN THAT ONCE CONSTRUCTION STARTED AND THEY'VE DONE THE INITIAL LAND DISTURBANCE, WE'D GO OUT THERE AND ASSESS THE BUFFER.
AND IF THERE WERE ANY HOLES IN THERE THAT POP UP, UM, WE'D COME BACK WITH SOME SUPPLEMENTAL PLANNINGS FOR STAFF TO REVIEW.
AND THAT'S WHY WE, WE LEFT THE BUFFER AS IS ON THIS SUBMITTAL FOR HIGHWAY CORRIDOR.
AND I THINK THERE WAS SOME LACK OF COMMUNICATION BETWEEN D R C HIGHWAY CORRIDOR.
SO ALL THE PLANT MATERIAL THAT WAS MENTIONED IN THE STAFF REPORT AND IN THE CONDITIONS.
UM, IF YOU LOOK AT THE CORRIDOR STANDARDS, THERE'S TWO DIFFERENT, THERE'S BUFFER PLANTING STANDARDS AND THERE'S PARKING LOT PLANTING STANDARDS.
AND THE SIZES, PLANT MATERIAL SIZES ARE DIFFERENT.
AND THE BUFFER, THE SHRUBS MINIMUM TWO FEET IN THE PARKING LOT.
UM, AND AROUND THE BUILDING IT'S ONE FOOT.
SO WE KEPT TO THOSE STANDARDS.
'CAUSE ALL THE PLANT MATERIAL WE'RE, WE'RE SHOWING HERE APPLIES TO THE PARKING LOT AND THE FOUNDATION PLANTINGS.
ADDITIONALLY IN THE JONES ESTATE, UM, THE MODIFIED HIGHWAY CORRIDOR STANDARDS, THE MINIMUM TREE SIZE IS 10 FEET
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AND THAT'S EVERYWHERE, INCLUDING THE BUFFER AND ALL THE, ALL THE, UM, PARKING LOT PLANT MATERIAL.SO THE SIZES MEET THE STANDARD, UM, THE, THE, THE SIZES FOR SHRUBS ONLY THE PARKING LOT, UM, SIZES, UM, RELATE TO THAT.
SO WE FEEL THAT WE MEET THE LANDSCAPE REQUIREMENT.
UM, WE'RE WILLING TO GO BACK OUT AFTER LAND DISTURBANCE TO DETERMINE IF THERE'S ANY ADDITIONAL PLANTINGS NEEDED IN THE BUFFER AS FAR AS STATE DRIVE GOES.
DURING, UM, D R C, THIS IS DOWN HERE, THIS, THIS EDGE HERE, WE'RE SIMPLY MIRRORING WHAT WAS DONE ON THE STORAGE FACILITY SIDE.
SO WE HAVE A CONSISTENT CROSS SECTION OF THAT STREET.
SO WE'VE BASICALLY MIRRORED THAT PLANTING PLAN.
UM, AND I THINK YOU MIGHT HAVE HAD SOME PHOTOS OF THAT.
UM, I DON'T IF SOMEONE
WANT YOU PUT BACK FREE OF CHARGE.
WE HAVE SOME MORE PHOTOS FOR THE RECORD.
UM, BUT WE'VE, IF ANYTHING WE'VE GONE BEYOND WHAT WAS PLANTED ON THE, UM, OPPOSITE SIDE OF STATE DRIVE THAT.
UM, SO AS FAR AS THE LOCATION, I THINK THERE WAS A COMMENT ABOUT THE LOCATION OF THE SHUTTLE THAT IS HERE.
IT'S JUST LIKE IN UNDER THE SAME SPOT AS WHAT WAS APPROVED AT D R C AND ALL THAT WAS, UM, S SPELLED OUT IN THE CIVIL PLANS.
UM, THE SAME GOES FOR THE SIDEWALK.
THAT SIDEWALK ACTUALLY FALLS, IT ENDS HERE DOWN HERE, UH, GOING INTO THE RESIDENTIAL PORTION OF PALMETTO POINT.
THAT SIDEWALK ENDS ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE STATE DRIVE.
THAT WILL CONNECT AND GO ALL THE WAY THROUGH TO GIBB ROAD.
UM, SO IT'S NOT GONNA BE SHOWN ON OUR SIDE.
THERE ARE SOME EXISTING TREES BETWEEN BACK OF CURB AT A STATE AND OUR PROPERTY LINE, BUT WE DON'T HAVE THOSE, THEY WERE OFF OUR PROPERTY.
SO THOSE AREN'T SURVEYED, BUT THOSE TREES WILL BE PRESERVED SINCE THEY'RE OFF OUR SITE.
UM, SO WE FEEL LIKE ALL THOSE CONDITIONS RELATED TO THE BUFFER AND LANDSCAPE, PLANT SIZES, UM, UH, AND THEN THE LANDSCAPING ALONG AS STATE DRIVE, WE, WE MEET THE INTENT, UM, AS DECIDED IN AT D R C.
I'D BE HAPPY TO ASK HER ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
DID WE AGREE THAT THERE'S SUPPOSED TO BE A ACTIVITY PATH ON THE ONE 70, UH, PART OF THIS PROPERTY? SO, 'CAUSE I LOOK AT THESE PICTURES AND IT LOOKS LIKE THE OPACITY BARRIER THAT YOU'RE IDENTIFYING IS GONNA HAVE TO GET TRIMMED UP ON BOTH ENDS, THE SIDE YOU'RE CONSTRUCTING ON AS WELL AS THE SIDE FOR THE ACTIVITY PATH.
WHAT DOES THAT DO TO THE OPACITY OF THIS BUFFER THEN? WE DO HAVE UPDATED PLANS THAT SHOW THAT 10 FOOT, UM, MULTIPURPOSE TRAIL UP HERE IS THIS LINE, HERE IS THE BUFFER LINE, WHICH EXTENDS BACK HERE TO THE PARKING THAT IT'S EXISTING.
THAT TRAIL IS OUT THERE IN THE RIGHT OF WAY.
IT'S NOT ON OUR PROPERTY, IT'S NOT IN THE BUFFER, IT'S IN THE RIGHT OF WAY.
SO IT WON'T IMPACT THE BUFFER BECAUSE IT LOOKS FROM THE PICTURES THAT YOU SUBMITTED, ESPECIALLY THIS CENTER NUMBER TWO PICTURE, IT LOOKS VERY CLOSE TO THE HIGHWAY.
SO THAT, THAT, THAT 10 FOOT TRAIL WILL RUN THROUGH HERE.
THERE'S AN EXISTING SWALE, WHICH WILL HAVE TO BE, BE ENGINEERED, UM, PROBABLY PIPED TO ACCOMMODATE, BUT THAT ENTIRE, UM, PATHWAY WILL BE WITHIN THE BUFORT COUNTY OR WITHIN THE RIGHT OF WAY ONE 70.
NOTHING IN THE BUFFER WILL BE DISTURBED.
ANYTHING ELSE TO SEND MICHAEL? NO, I THINK, UM, I THINK IT'S A SUBSTANTIAL BUFFER THAT'S ALREADY THERE.
AND STATING THAT AFTER DEVELOPMENT, LOOKING FOR HOLES.
I MEAN I THINK THAT SUFFICE IS OKAY.
DO WE HAVE, WELL WE DO HAVE QUESTIONS, SO, YES.
AND I DID, JUST TO MAKE SURE IT'S CLEAR, THE SHUTTLE DROP OFF IS HERE.
THERE'S, IT'S KIND OF LIKE A PARALLEL PARKING SPACE LONG PARALLEL
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WHEN IT'S NOT BEING USED FOR SHUTTLES.IT MIGHT BE USED FOR FOR FOOD TRUCKS AND THAT KIND OF THING, BUT, OKAY.
SO YOU WANNA BRING UP YOUR, I'M START US OFF.
YOU'RE GONNA START AND THEN YOU'RE GONNA INTRODUCE OFF AGAIN.
JAMES ATKINS WITH THE CORD ATKINS GROUP.
AND THEN, UH, WARREN IS LEFT ENGINEER AND JASON IS THE LIGHTING EXPERT.
UM, AS WE, UM, KIND OF STARTED WORKING THROUGH THE LIGHTING, A UNIQUE SITUATION WE DIDN'T HAVE, AGAIN, WHEN THE JONES P U D, THEY STUFF DIDN'T REALLY EXIST.
PICKLEBALL PROBABLY WASN'T EVEN REALLY A THING.
UM, AND SO WE HAD TO CONSULT THE EXPERTS.
UM, SO WE POOLED ALL OF THE, THE STANDARDS FOR DIFFERENT PLAY FOR PICKLEBALL.
UH, AND I THINK ONE OF THE PRIORITIES, AND I THINK YOU ALL KNOW AND I'LL JUST KIND OF READ THE QUOTE THAT, YOU KNOW, PICKLEBALL IS FOR ALL AGES, UH, IT IS A, A SPORT THAT A LOT OF, UH, OLDER PEOPLE DO PARTAKE IN, UM, THAT MAYBE ENJOY TENNIS BUT HAVE SMALLER COURTS.
AND SO THERE ARE STANDARDS IN PLACE FOR SAFETY, UH, AND LIGHT LEVELS, UM, FOR THE GENERAL COURTS, UM, WHICH ARE IN THAT KIND OF 40 TO 50 RANGE, UM, FOOT CANDLE WISE.
UM, THERE'S SOME CATEGORIES, UM, WE'VE PROVIDED THIS TO STAFF OF WHAT THOSE ARE THAT WOULD BE SIMILAR TO LET'S SAY THE BALL FIELDS AT OSCAR FRAZIER PARK.
NOW THEY'RE SET RIGHT WITHIN A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD.
UH, WE DO HAVE THE, UH, I GUESS GOOD GRACES THAT WE ARE KIND OF SET BACK AND NEXT TO A LARGE STORAGE UNIT.
UM, SO YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT GONNA BE INTERRUPTING, UH, RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD OR HAVE BRIGHT LIGHTS AND, AND AS YOU CAN SEE AS DESIGNED, THERE'S SOME SIGNIFICANT CUTOFFS.
THIS, I THOUGHT THIS PICTURE HERE WAS A GREAT PICTURE.
I MEAN, THAT'S KIND OF WHAT THIS THING DOES ON THE TOURNAMENT COURT.
UM, THAT DOES BUMP UP AND IS RECOMMENDED TO BE 75 FOOT CANDLES RATHER THAN, UH, THE 40 TO 50 RANGE, UM, FOR, YOU KNOW, TOURNAMENT PLAY, UH, AND THE STANDARDS THAT COME IN FROM, UM, THAT HOST TOURNAMENTS AND SUCH.
UM, WE DO HAVE THE ABILITY, AND AGAIN, THESE TOURNAMENTS ARE NOT GONNA BE A WEEKLY THING.
THERE MAY BE, I DON'T KNOW, 6, 4, 6 8 A YEAR MAYBE TOPS.
UM, AND SO WE DO HAVE THE ABILITY PROBABLY TO PUT SOME LIGHTING CONTROLS ON THOSE SO THAT IT WOULD ONLY BE AMPED UP DURING TOURNAMENTS AND THEN IT WOULD BE MORE THE GENERAL PLAY LIGHT LEVEL OF THAT 40 TO 50 FOOT CANDLES, IF THAT'S SOMETHING OF DESIRE IN TALKING TO THE ELECTRICAL ENGINEER.
UM, BUT WE DID HAVE TO KIND OF CONSULT NATIONAL STANDARDS OF WHAT WE SHOULD BE DOING FOR THIS.
AND WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR ANYTHING ABOVE AND BEYOND WHAT THE RECOMMENDATIONS ARE AND TOOK SENSITIVITY TO MAKE SURE THAT WE WEREN'T GETTING LIGHT BLEED OUT TO THE CORRIDOR OR THE, UH, NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES AND SUCH.
AND SO WITH THAT, I CAN TURN IT OVER TO, OR IF YOU HAVE SPECIFIC QUESTIONS, I HAVE JASON AND WARREN HERE THAT CAN TACKLE DETAILED LIGHTING QUESTIONS.
CHARLIE, YOU HAD A QUESTION OR DID HE ANSWER IT? I'M CURIOUS, AND I MAY HAVE MISSED THIS.
I'M SORRY, I GOT DISTRACTED FOR A SECOND.
UM, HOW TALL ARE THE LIGHT POLES AROUND THE CHAMPIONSHIP COURT? HOW TALL ARE THE LIGHT POLES AROUND THE REGULAR COURTS? SO WE WENT WITH, AND THEY ARE DOWN IF WRONG, WE DID ALL THE LOW MAST, UM, ONES.
AND SO THERE'S, THERE'S TWO TYPES OF COURTS.
THERE'S A, A, A HIGH MAST AND A CUTOFF, LOW MAST LIGHTING AND THE LOW MASS
SO FOR THE CHAMPIONSHIP COURT, IT IS, RIGHT NOW, THE WAY IT'S DESIGNED IS HAS 25 FOOT POLES.
I THINK THERE'S THREE ON EACH SIDE OF THE COURT.
SO IT'S SIX POLES OF 25 FEET, ALL THE OTHER COURTS AND THE PARKING LOT LIGHTS ARE ON 20 FOOT POLES AS OPPOSED TO THE OTHER OPTION, WHICH WERE 35 FOOT POLES.
IF WE'RE PUTTING, AND I'M, I'M JUST TRYING TO WRAP MY HEAD AROUND THIS.
IF WE'RE PUTTING AN ADDITION ON LATER THAT HAS A RESTAURANT WITH STEP DOWN SEATING, HOW HIGH IS THAT SEATING GONNA BE AND HOW DOES IT RELATE TO THE LIGHTS? OR ARE WE GONNA BE RAISING LIGHTS NOW THAT RESTAURANT, UH, BUILDING TO THE LEFT IS A TWO STORY RESTAURANT BUILDING.
UM, AND SO WHEN THAT GETS BUILT, YOU WON'T EVEN, IT, IT, IT'S NOT REMOVING THE LIGHTING AROUND THE COURT OR ANYTHING.
IN FACT, IT WILL END UP HIDING ALL OF IT.
LIKE THE POLES WILL BE LOWER THAN THE BUILDING, BUT THE POLES ARE SPECIFIC TO THE COURT.
SO THEY'RE SITTING RIGHT AT THE COURT SHINING ONTO THE COURT THAT WILL BE INDEPENDENT OF THE FUTURE RESTAURANT BUILDING.
WHAT'S, WHAT'S THE BUILDING HEIGHT IN THAT P U D DO YOU KNOW OF HANK? KATIE, IS IT 45? UM, WHAT IS IT AT? NO, NO.
WHAT'S THE MAXIMUM BUILDING? SHE, IT HELPS HER REMEMBER WHAT GOTCHA.
IT'S AT 30 SOMETHING, RIGHT? 45 3.
IT'S, I WAS GONNA SAY I THINK IT'S 44 CHANGE.
IT'S 45 THEN BECAUSE THEY'RE UNDER SIGNIFICANTLY.
AND I, I DID LOOK AT THAT UP, I PROMISE, BUT IT IS, THAT'S WEIRD HOW
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YOU REMEMBER THAT, BUT OKAY.UM, I MEAN, Y'ALL HAVE OUR WEIGHT, IF IT WERE AT 35, IF IT WAS AT 34 AND THE MAXIMUM WAS 35, IT WOULD'VE RAISED A LOT OF RED FLAGS IN MY HEAD.
I THOUGHT THAT'S A LOT OF FEET AND I MOVED ON.
IT MIGHT MAKE IT 10 FEET TALL.
YEAH, THERE ARE A LOT OF PAGES HERE.
SO IF I UNDERSTAND RIGHT, UM, THE TALLEST LIGHT POLES ARE STILL GONNA BE ALMOST 10 FEET LOWER THAN THE BUILDING ITSELF THAT IT RELATES TO.
AND IS THE, THE CHAMPIONSHIP COURT ISN'T ELEVATED COMPARED TO THE REST OF THE PROPERTY, IS IT? NO.
CAN I, UM, FOLLOW ON HIS QUESTION.
THE FOOT CANDLES ASSOCIATED THAT YOU'RE PROPOSING FOR THESE COURTS, HOW DOES THAT BENCHMARK TO, UM, HILTON HAD CHRISTIAN ACADEMY LIGHTS ON THEIR COURTS OR THE LIGHTS THAT THEY'RE PROPOSING FOR THE, UH, HILTON HEAD PICKLEBALL OPERATION? HAVE YOU LOOKED AT THAT? UH, WELL, I, I DID THE, THE HI HEAD CHRISTIAN AND UH, THAT WAS THE TOPIC OF CONVERSATION.
SO THE CUTOFF AND EVERYTHING PRETTY SPECIAL AND IT'S PROBABLY PRETTY CLOSE TO THAT ABOUT 40 AND CHANGE, UH, DEPENDING ON WHERE YOU'RE AT IN THE FIELD.
UM, AND THEN THE STRONG CUTOFF AND IF YOU'VE BEEN THERE IN NIGHT GAME, THOSE LIGHTS ARE ABSOLUTELY AMAZING HOW THEY JUST PUT A RECTANGLE RIGHT OVER THE FIELD.
UM, SO THAT'S REALLY HOW THESE THINGS WORK.
AND AGAIN, YOU CAN LOOK AT, I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF NUMBERS.
THIS FOOT CANDLES DROP DOWN SIGNIFICANTLY ONCE YOU MOVE OUT FROM JUST THE COURT.
SO OSCAR FRAZIER PARK,
UM, THE ADDITIONAL REQUIREMENTS ARE YOU, UM, I BELIEVE JOSH TO THE JOSH, SHE DRESSED THOSE, UM, YES.
THEY'RE ALL GOT THE SIDEWALK, THE BUS PULL OFF.
UM, SO YOU'RE GOOD WITH ALL OF WHAT WE'VE DISCUSSED.
ANYTHING ELSE YOU MENTIONED? YEAH, I JUST, JUST ON THE, I THINK ON THE PLANT MATERIAL, THE ADDITIONAL PLANT MATERIAL STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS, THAT CAN ALL BE IGNORED SINCE WE ADDRESSED IT.
IT'S NOT, IT'S, WE ALREADY MEET THE BUFFER STANDARD.
I THINK LIKE WITH WHAT YOU SAID, THAT IT WAS ENOUGH BUFFER, BUT REVISIT LIKE RIGHT.
Y'ALL HAD TALKED ABOUT AND THAT WAS, THAT WAS THE CONDITION OF DRC AS WELL.
EVERYBODY ELSE WITH THAT? I'M NOT SURE.
UM, I THINK THAT THE BUFFER STANDARDS AS DISCUSSED AT D R C, THEY'RE, IF THEY ADD A NOTE TO THE LANDSCAPE PLAN THAT INDICATES THAT THAT WILL TAKE PLACE SO THAT IT'S FORMALLY IN WRITING.
THAT COULD DEFINITELY ADDRESS IT.
I DO SEE THE AREA WHERE HE'S TALKING ABOUT WITH THOSE MINIMUMS. I'M SORRY, I TRANSFERRED THOSE MINIMUMS OVER AND UM, I DIDN'T CAPTURE THAT IT SWITCHES BETWEEN THE TWO FOR THE PARKING LOT AND THE BUFFER.
UM, AND THEN THE SIDEWALK ON A STATE DRIVE WAS A SPECIFIC CONDITION OF THE APPROVAL IN THE LETTER FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION ON SEPTEMBER 28TH, 2022.
SO THAT SIDEWALK ON A STATE DRIVE WAS A CONDITION OF THE PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN APPROVAL.
UM, SO IT, IT DOES NOT INDICATE ON THE OTHER SIDE IT SAYS ON THEIR, UM, SITE.
SO WE NEED TO MAKE THAT DETERMINATION.
THEY, THEY, THEY HAVE A RESUBMITTAL COMING IN AND WHAT THEY'RE DOING AS A SEPARATE PROJECT, IT'S GONNA BE THE EXTENSION OF THE SIDEWALK ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE OF THE STATE FROM, FROM THE PICKLEBALL DEVELOPMENT.
AND WE ARE, UH, NOT GOING TO ISSUE A CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY FOR, FOR BUILDING OR PUBLIC PRIVATE ACCESS TO THE COURTS UNTIL THAT IS INSTALLED.
AND THAT'S AN IN AGREEMENT WITH, WITH HOW IT'S PRESENTED TO US.
SO WE JUST NEED TO DECIDE IF THAT SATISFIES OUR REQUIREMENT.
AND IF IT, IF IT DOES, IT CAN BE ADDED AS A NOTE AGAIN ON THIS AS WELL.
OKAY, SO MADAM CHAIRMAN, IF I UNDERSTAND THE ITEMS THAT WE'VE ADDRESSED TO MAKE THIS EASIER ON YOU ALL SINCE I KNOW IT IS, YOU'VE GOT IT ALL WRITTEN A LOT, YOU'VE GOT IT ALL.
WHAT I, WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO MADAM CHAIRMAN, IS NOT MAKE A MOTION BUT READ THE ELEMENTS THAT I'VE CAPTURED TO SEE IF THEY CAPTURE IT.
IS THAT ALL RIGHT, KATIE? NUMBER ONE, UNDULATE THE ELEVATION, UH, FACING COURT AND CRAIG STREET AS WE DIS DISCUSSED.
NUMBER TWO, INCREASE THE PARAPET HEIGHT TO HIDE THE BACK WALL.
NUMBER THREE, CHANGE THE DOME TO TRADITIONAL RIDGE.
NUMBER FOUR, SERVICE YARD, NOT ON ONE 70 SIDE NUMBER FIVE, PUT A NOTE IN ABOUT
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ROOF MATERIAL CHANGE ON THE, ON THE DRAWINGS TO CORRECT IT.NUMBER SIX, COORDINATE WITH STAFF ON PERMANENT BLEACHERS.
LOCATION NUMBER SEVEN, DEVELOPMENT DEVELOPER WILL FILL ANY HOLES IN THE NATURAL BUFFER THAT MAY BE DISTURBED DUE TO THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE PLAN OR THE ACTIVITY PATH.
NUMBER EIGHT, ALLOW THE L E D LIGHTING IS PROPOSED.
AND NUMBER NINE, SIDEWALK TO BE PROVIDED ON A STATE DRIVE.
WE HAVE TO ALSO TALK ABOUT THE DETERMINATION THAT WE THINK APPROPRIATENESS OF THE METAL FLAG.
LET ME, LET ME GET HERS FIRST.
NO, NO, I WAS TALKING ABOUT US.
WHAT ELSE? HE WAS JUST, OH, HE WAS CAPTURING YOU.
HE WAS JUST GIVING ME A HARD TIME.
DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD TO WHAT HE SAID BEFORE WE ACTUALLY MAKE A MOTION? KATIE, DID YOU GET ALL THAT? ARE YOU NEEDING SOMETHING? DID YOU UNDERSTAND ALL OF THAT? NOT POSSESSION.
EVERYBODY KNOWS THE DIRECTION BEFORE WE DO THIS.
YOU WANNA WAIT FOR HER TO CAPTURE EVERYTHING? I'M WAITING ON KATIE.
UM, BECAUSE IT WAS WRITTEN HERE ABOUT A DETERMINATION OF THE, UM, L E D, THE L E D, BUT THE, THE FOOT CANDLES AT THE, UM, THE COURTS AS NOTED IN THE, UM, SO I'LL ALLOW L E D LIGHTING IS PROPOSED WITH THE FOOT CANDLES IDENTIFIED AT THE COURT.
SO WE SHOULD JUST SAY AS PER THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION, SEVEN, EIGHT NOT RIGHT, YOU'RE GONNA GO BY WHAT'S ON THE YEAH, ELLIOT 7, 8, 9, LIKE, UH, EIGHT WAS, WAS STRICKEN.
KATIE, UH, STRICKEN EIGHT BECAUSE, UH, WE'VE CLARIFIED THAT.
SO YOU CAN JUST SAY, YEP, I GOT IT.
SO NUMBER ONE S YOU KNOW, THAT'S ON THERE.
YEAH, EVERYONE SEEMS TO BE GOOD WITH THE METAL.
BUT WE WOULD SAY THAT WE STILL WOULD WANNA HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT THE APPROPRIATENESS OF THE METAL SIDING SELECTED.
IS THAT RIGHT? WELL, WE ARE DETERMINED THAT WE ARE, WE, WE APPROVE THAT, RIGHT? LIKE WE THINK THAT IT'S AN APPROPRIATE MATERIAL.
SO WE'RE JUST LETTING STAFF KNOW THAT WE'RE OKAY WITH THAT.
UM, THE, WITH YOUR, WELL, WHICH ONE? THE LANDSCAPING DEVELOP.
I WAS JUST GOING DOWN THIS LIST.
WE'VE GOT THE PLANTING NOTES QUANTITY, THAT WAS STILL PART OF THAT.
I THINK HE ADDRESSED NUMBER SIX, RIGHT? JAMES? WE'RE GOOD.
FOUR, FIVE AND SIX WERE ADDRESSED.
AND KATIE MENTIONED THAT TODAY.
SHE HAD A TRANSLATION THERE IN THERE.
THAT THEY ARE ACTUALLY THE CORRECT QUANTITIES INSIDE THIS.
AND THEN REQUIREMENTS SIDEWALK, WE'RE ALL OKAY WITH THE SIDEWALK GOING ON THE OTHER SIDE AS LONG AS THEY'RE WORKING IT OUT ON THE OTHER SIDE BECAUSE BEFORE IT WAS ON THEIR PROPERTY.
OH, ON THE, WE CAME THROUGH EASEMENT.
AS LONG AS IT GETS BUILT, I'M, YEP.
SO WE DON'T HAVE TO REPEAT THAT.
AND THEN YOU HAVE THE OTHER COMMENTS.
IF YOU WANNA DO THE, WELL SHE'S GOT, SHE'S GETTING IT.
OH, KATIE, I THINK FOUR ON LANDSCAPE NEEDS TO BE STRUCK.
WELL, BECAUSE WHAT WE SAID WAS THE DEVELOPER WILL FILL ANY HOLES IN THE NATURAL BUFFER THAT MAY BE DISTURBED DUE TO THE CONSTRUCTION OF THEIR PLAN OR THE ACTIVITY PATH.
THAT'S THE, THIS IS THE OPPOSITE SIDE.
IS THIS SO STRUCK OR, I MEAN, AGAIN, YOU GUYS CAN MAKE COMMOTION BESIDES WHAT I'VE WRITTEN ON THE SCREEN.
I'M JUST TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S CLEAR FOR EVERYONE SO THAT IT'S NOT YEAH, I WOULD KEEP THAT RIGHT.
SO YES, STRUCK, STRUCK THAT AND THEN, AND YOU'VE ALREADY DONE THAT THOUGH, CORRECT.
BUT YOU HAVEN'T SEEN IT YET? NO, IT, IT, IT IS PART OF THE PLANS.
IT'S PART OF THE PLANS, BUT IT'S NOT INSTALLED CURRENTLY.
IF THAT'S WHAT YOUR QUESTION IS, WE'RE GOOD.
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UNDERSTANDING OF THE ARCHITECTURE IS THAT THE REAL ELEVATION IS GOING TO BE REVISED TO CREATE ARTICULATION IN THE CENTER SIMILAR TO THE FRONT ELEVATION AND THE ROOF LINE PARAPET REVISED OR PITCHED ROOF ADDED, BUT IT'S NOT GONNA BE OR PITCHED ROOFS ADDED, RIGHT? CORRECT.THAT'LL JUST BE RATE REVISED TO BE TALLER.
OH, IT'S GETTING CLOSER TO 45 FEET.
IT'S NOT, UM, A DETERMINATION ON THE APPROPRIATENESS OF BED SIDING.
THE METAL SIDING IS FOUND TO BE APPROPRIATE AS A SUBSTITUTE.
WE HAVE THE HIP ROOF IS GOING TO BE FIXED TO NOT BE A DOME THAT IS MAGICALLY DONE BY AI.
WE HAVE A LABEL FOR THE SERVICE YARD THAT'S GONNA BE FIXED AS WELL AS THE LABELS FOR THE CONCESSION STAND CONSISTENT, WHETHER IT IS ASPHALT AS IT'S CURRENTLY SHOWN OR STANDING SEAM, EITHER ONE IS OKAY.
AS LONG AS IT IS WHAT IT SAYS IT IS.
ANYTHING ELSE FOR ARCHITECTURE THAT I'M MISSING? WHERE DOES THE BLEACHER SHOW UP? DOES THAT SHOW UP IN LANDSCAPING? IT SAYS IT CAN SHOW UP HERE.
COORDINATE THE, COORDINATE WITH STAFF ON THE LOCATION AND HEIGHT OF THE PERMANENT BLEACHERS.
I CAN IN FACT TYPE THE NEXT ONE.
LANDSCAPING, WE'RE CROSSING TWO, THREE, AND FOUR, BUT WE'RE ADDING A NOTE TO INDICATE THAT IF THERE ARE HOLES WE'LL FIX THEM WITH STAFF IN THE FIELD AFTER CLEARING HAS TAKEN PLACE, LIGHTING S ARE APPROPRIATE.
THE ILLUMINATION LEVELS, UM, FOR THE PARKING AREA ARE APPROPRIATE OR ARE WE DROPPING THE MIDDLE TO THE 0.3 DOWN FROM WHAT IS PROPOSED FOR THE PARKING AREA? IT WAS, SO THE, UM, PARKING AREAS HAVE A MINIMUM, OR I'M SORRY, AN AVERAGE OF 2.4 IS PERMITTED BY THE ORDINANCE AND IT'S PROPOSED AT 2.7 CURRENTLY, WHICH IT'S UP TO YOU ALL TO DETERMINE IF THAT'S SOMETHING YOU WANT TO CROSS OR IF YOU WANT TO LEAVE THAT IN.
DOES, DOES A DEVELOPER HAVE AN ISSUE WITH REDUCING IT TO 2.4? 2.5, RIGHT.
LONG AS IT DOESN'T CREATE, IT'S A REQUIREMENT.
LET'S JUST MAKE IT NO, I MEAN IT'S DIFFERENCE BETWEEN 2.7, 2.4 FOOT CANDLES THAT YOU CANNOT BE SEEN WITH THE HUMAN EYE.
UM, THAT BEING SAID, TRYING TO ACHIEVE THE 2.4, YOU KNOW, EITHER, YOU KNOW, MOVING LIGHT FIXTURES AROUND, CHANGING LIGHT FIXTURES, YOU KNOW, REDUCING, REDUCE THE OUTPUT OF EACH FIXTURE OR SPECIFIC FIXTURES.
YOU KNOW, IT COULD AFFECT THE WHOLE LAYOUT, THE WHOLE UNIFORMITY OF, UM, THE LIGHT LEVELS AND EVERYTHING.
SO, YOU KNOW, IT COULD RESULT IN THE MINIMUMS DROPPING BELOW THE REQUIRED MINIMUM.
IT'S JUST YOU CHANGE ONE THING, IT'S GONNA AFFECT, YOU KNOW, IT TRICKLES DOWN.
THERE'S A LOT OF OTHER, UM, POINTS, FOOT COUNTS, THOSE CALCULATION POINTS THAT'LL BE AFFECTED.
I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT THE COURTS.
YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT.
I KNOW IT SEEMS LIKE IT WOULDN'T BE TOO HARD, BUT AGAIN, I DUNNO WHERE EVERYBODY GO IS ON THIS.
KATIE, IS IT 2.5 OR 2.4? FIRST OF ALL, UM, 2.4 IS WHAT THE AVERAGE CURRENT OR IS PERMITTED TO BE IN THE PARKING AREAS.
AND 2.7 IS WHAT IT IS PROPOSED AT.
IF IT'S 2.4, THEN JUST, LET'S JUST MAKE IT 2.4 GUYS.
THAT'S THAT'S WHAT I'M THINKING.
I WOULDN'T, WE DON'T NEED TO START MAKING EXCEPTIONS.
YEAH, WE'RE MAKING, WE'RE WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE THIS WORK.
I, I'M, I'M ALREADY BEYOND MY STANDARD RULE.
IF THERE ARE FIVE MORE CONDITIONS THAT WE TABLE IT, BUT
AND THEN THE, UM, THE DETERMINATION ON THE ILLUMINATION LEVELS FOR THE COURTS.
EVERYONE WAS OKAY WITH THE COURTS OR POTENTIALLY OKAY.
SO WE, WE WANNA REWORD THAT SO SOUNDS LIKE WE AGREE RIGHT THERE.
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SURE.AND THEN SIDEWALK IS GONNA BE SHOWN ON THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN PRIOR TO OCCUPANCY PER DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
SHUTTLE BUS WILL SHOW UP COMMENTS PROVIDED BY D R C AND SCIENCE.
DID I MISS ANYTHING? SHADOW WATCH THIS ACCIDENT ON THE PLAN.
IT'S NOT ON THIS, THE LANDSCAPE THAT I HAVE BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE THE SITE PLAN, BUT IT, IT IS SHOWING UP ON THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN, SO IT'S GOOD.
WE JUST NEED TO MAKE SURE IT'S ALL COORDINATED.
IT'S JUST FOR COORDINATION, IT'S SHOWN, IT'S JUST NOT PLAINTIFFS.
IT'S SHOWN AS PARALLEL PARKING ON THE, THE VERSION OF PLAN THAT I HAVE IS SUBMITTED.
SO IT'S, IT, THE AREA IS THERE AND YOU SHOULD BE JUST FINE WITH IT.
THERE SHOULD BE NO ISSUE WITH
DID YOU WANNA GO AHEAD AND MAKE THAT MOTION? YEAH, I'M NOT GONNA READ ALL THAT, BUT COULD YOU GIMME THE FIRST PART OF YOUR, YOUR FIRST PART OF THIS FOR MAKING THE MOTION? SO I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE THE, UM, THE, UH, THE RECOMMENDATION IN FRONT OF US FOR THE, UH, PICKLEBALL, UH, CONSTRUCTION WITH ALL OF THE, UM, CONDITIONS THAT WE'VE IDENTIFIED.
I'M GONNA SAY THERE'S SIX ARCHITECTURE CONDITIONS.
THERE ARE ONE, ONE LANDSCAPE CONDITION AND THREE, UH, THREE, NO TWO, NO THREE LANDSCAPE CON UH, THREE LIGHTING CONDITIONS THAT ARE INCLUDED IN THIS, UH, RECOMMEND IN THIS MOTION.
IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE? I'M NOT GONNA READ ALL OF THEM.
UH, INCLUDING IN, IN MY MOTION THE ADDITIONAL RE THE THREE ADDITIONAL REQUIRE THE FOUR ADDITIONAL REQUIREMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN LISTED BY STAFF.
DO I HAVE A SECOND? DO I HAVE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? DOES EVERYONE UNDERSTAND? I DO WANT TO SAY ONE SECOND.
UM, DON'T ANYBODY TAKE THIS PERSONAL LIE.
AM NOT VOTING THIS BECAUSE THERE IS TOO MUCH MOVING HERE.
I FEEL LIKE WE SHOULD BE TABLING THIS AND LET THEM MAKE THE CHANGES FOR US TO SEE.
I UNDERSTAND THAT I'M PROBABLY IN THE MINORITY HERE, BUT THROW THAT OUT.
THERE IS THE CONCERN THE REAR YEAR, WE'VE GOT ALMOST 15 CONDITIONS THAT WE'RE SLAPPING ON 'EM.
UM, SOME OF 'EM ARE ARCHITECTURAL, SOME ARE SIMPLE.
I JUST, I'M PERSONALLY NOT COMFORTABLE WITH THAT, BUT THAT'S OKAY.
I KNOW THIS THING HAS BEEN A LONG TIME COMING AND I AGREE.
DO I HAVE A MOTION TO ADJOURN? SO MOVED.