Sep 25, 2023 Public Facilities and Safety Committee

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[7. PRESENTATION OF THE US 278 CORRIDOR PROJECT JOINT INDEPENDENT STUDY - Jared Fralix, ACA Infrastructure]

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THINK LOUIS, MISSOURI WE HAVE NEVER WORKED WITH JOHN BEFORE OR HIS COMPANY AND LAND NOW

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SO A LITTLE BIT ABOUT CB WE ARE A NICHE TRANSPORTATION ENGINEERING PLANNING FIRM OUT OF ST LOUIS SO THERE'S ABOUT 35 OF US AND ALL WE DO IS TRANSPORTATION, ENGINEERING,

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THAT'S THE TEAM THAT WORKED ON IT. SO THERE'S MYSELF NEURO PATEL'S OUR MODELER MIKE DID THE WORK YOU'LL SEE ON TRANSIT AND MY HEAD INJURY AND MARTIN IS MY ASSISTANT PROJECT MANAGER AND THESE SO WHAT WE WERE ASKED THESE ARE THE BASIC QUESTIONS IS WIDENING TO 78 SIX LANES NECESSARY DO WE NEED TO DO IT WHAT THE DOWNSTREAM IMPACTS IF YOU DO WIDEN TO SIX LANES IS SOMETHING THAT A LOT OF TIMES IS AN AFTERTHOUGHT.

WHAT ARE THE CONSEQUENCES? ARE THE DOTS TRAFFIC FORECAST REASONABLE AND CAN YOU DO OTHER THINGS LIKE USE PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION AND USE ADAPTIVE TRAFFIC SIGNALS? IT'S INTELLIGENT TRANSPORTATION SYSTEMS. CAN YOU DO ANY OF THOSE AND NOT WHY BRIDGE END AND THEN HOW WILL THE PROJECT IMPACT NON-MOTORISED USERS THAT ARE OUT THERE? SO WE DID A LOT OF WORK IS JARED SAID SO WE LOOKED AT ALL THE PREVIOUS STUDIES WERE OUT THERE THE EIA WE LOOKED AT THE PREVIOUS INDEPENDENT STUDY THAT WAS DONE WE EVALUATED AND YOU'LL SEE WHERE THIS INTO PLAY SOME U.S. CENSUS DATA ON JOURNEY TO WORK TO UNDERSTAND WHO'S USING THE BRIDGE WHEN THEY'RE USING THE BRIDGE.

WE LOOKED AT CHAMBER OF COMMERCE DATA, LOOKED AT A LOT OF DOT HISTORIC COUNTS GET INTO THAT AND THEN WE DID OUR OWN FIELD WORK SO WE TOOK IN MARCH A LOT OF TRAFFIC COUNTS.

WE STUDY THE TRAVEL PATTERNS THAT ARE OUT THERE WATCHED UNDERSTAND WHERE THE CUES ARE THAT ARE OUT IN THE FIELD AND SOME OF THOSE AND WE DID A LOT OF TRAVEL TIME RUNS AND WE NEEDED THOSE TRAVEL TIME RUNS TO CALIBRATE THIS VIS A MODEL WILL TELL YOU ABOUT WE BUILT A A MODEL AND EXPLAIN MORE ON THE NEXT PAGE ABOUT WHAT THAT VIS MODEL IS BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THAT DID IS IT EXPANDED THE STUDY AREAS THAT WAS PREVIOUSLY DONE.

SO WE BROUGHT OUR MODELS OUT TO INDIGO RUNS. WE WENT DOWN FURTHER ON BUSINESS TO 78 AND WE WENT ALL THE WAY DOWN THE CROSS ISLAND PARKWAY TO SEE PINE.

SO WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT AND THAT'S LOOKING AT THOSE DOWNSTREAM IMPACTS.

SO WE LOOKED AT THE ROADWAY NETWORK. WE ALSO AS WE WERE OUT HERE STARTED TO UNDERSTAND THAT THERE MIGHT BE SOME OTHER THINGS IN PLACE.

SO WE TOOK A HARD LOOK AT THE BIKE PED NETWORK, THE TRANSIT NETWORK THAT'S OUT HERE.

WHAT YOU HAVE FOR ADAPTIVE SEGMENT SYSTEMS IT'S IN THOSE TYPES OF THINGS.

SO WHAT IS THIS AND THIS IS A TRAFFIC ANALYSIS SOFTWARE. IT'S OUT BASED OUT IT STARTED OUT OF GERMANY I'VE BEEN USING IT ALMOST MY MY WHOLE CAREER AND WHAT IT DOES IS IT MODELS EACH VEHICLE INDEPENDENTLY SO YOU BUILD A VIRTUAL ROAD NETWORK AND THEN ON THAT VIRTUAL ROAD NETWORK YOU PUT VIRTUAL VEHICLES IN IT HAS DIFFERENT TYPES OF TYPES OF DRIVERS SO IT'LL HAVE MORE AGGRESSIVE DRIVERS, LESS AGGRESSIVE DRIVERS AND DIFFERENT TYPES OF VEHICLES WHERE YOU CAN SET THE THE TRUCK PERCENTAGES OF THE VEHICLE TYPES THAT ARE OUT THERE. I THINK THE PREVIOUS INDEPENDENT STUDY IS SOMETHING CALLED SIM TRAFFIC. THIS TAKES THAT MODELING WAY UP TO HIGHER LEVELS AND ALLOWS US TO DO A LOT OF REALLY CUSTOMIZABLE ANALYSIS. SO ONE OF THE THINGS WE HAD WAS A THREE HOUR PEAK WE LOOKED AT THE MORNING THE EVENING RUSH HOURS OVER A THREE HOUR PEAK SO WE CAN SEE BEFORE THE PEAK HOW THE TRAFFIC FLOWING IT'S GOING FINE.

WE CAN SEE THOSE QUEUES DEVELOP AND WHY THEY DEVELOP IN CERTAIN AREAS AND WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT AND THEN WE CAN SEE HOW THAT CUES EVENTUALLY DISPERSE SO WE CAN GET THE WHOLE EVENT RATHER THAN LOOK AT A SNAPSHOT THIS IS THE KIND OF THE WORST 15 MINUTES OF THE DAY AND WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE WE CAN ACTUALLY SEE HOW THAT DEVELOPS, IT EVOLVES AND THEN HOW IT KIND OF GOES AWAY. WE AT A NUMBER OF SCENARIOS SO THIS THIS TALKS ABOUT THE ONES THAT ARE IN THE REPORT WE RAN A LOT A LOT A LOT OF SCENARIOS TO TRY TO REALLY GET A HANDLE ON WHAT THE ISSUES ARE AND MAKE SURE THAT WE HAD A REALLY STRONG UNDERSTANDING OF THAT THE OTHER THING THAT'S INTERESTING WITH THIS IS IT'S BASED ON IT'S A STOCHASTIC MODEL WHICH MEANS IT INTRODUCES RANDOMNESS INTO THE MODEL SO IT CHANGES PARAMETERS EVERY TIME YOU RUN IT SO I CAN RUN THE EXACT SAME MODEL FIVE TIMES AND I'LL GET FIVE DIFFERENT RESULTS SO THAT SOME WAY TO REFLECT AND THIS IS IF YOU GO OUT THERE EVERY DAY WEEK THE CUES ARE NOT EXACTLY THE SAME RIGHT? THE TRAVEL PATTERNS ARE NOT EXACTLY SAME.

THE RANDOMNESS IN THE ACTUAL IN THE WORLD AND THE HELPS US TO REFLECT THAT RANDOMNESS THAT'S OUT THERE. SO THE FIRST QUESTION IS THE PROJECT AND THIS IS MY FAVORITE GRAPH TO EXPLAIN THAT THE PROJECT NEEDED IN SOME OF THIS THAT WE HAVE HIGHLIGHTED IN I'LL GIVE YOU A SECOND TO READ. YOU KNOW THE HIGHLIGHTED THE BOLDED TEXT THAT'S THAT'S THOSE ARE OUR MAJOR FINDINGS BASICALLY YES THE ANSWER IS YES ABSOLUTELY THIS PROJECT IS NEEDED IF YOU LOOK AT THAT BLUE LINE THE TOP THOSE ARE THE AVERAGE DAILY TRAFFIC VOLUMES

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AND WHAT YOU SEE WITH THOSE PEAK HOUR THAT'S THE MORNING PEAK AND EVENING PEAK THOSE REALLY CAPPED OUT AROUND 2017. YOU SEE THEY'RE FLAT PAST 2017. WHAT THAT TELLS ME IS SINCE THE DAILY TRAFFIC STILL GOING UP BUT SINCE OUR PEAK HOURS ARE FLAT HIT CAPACITY, THE REASON THAT THEY'RE FLAT ISN'T BECAUSE PEOPLE AREN'T TRYING TO GET ON TO THE ISLAND AND OFF THE ISLAND IT'S BECAUSE THERE'S NO MORE CAPACITY THAT BRIDGE AND THAT'S ALL THE TRAFFIC YOU'RE GOING TO FIT. SO WE GO OUT ANOTHER FIVE YEARS WITHOUT DOING THE BRIDGE.

THOSE NUMBERS WILL STILL BE FLAT. WHAT HAPPENS IS WE HAVE THIS THING CALLED PEAK SPREADING AND WHAT HAPPENS WITH PEAK SPREADING THAT IF I IF I GOT TO BE AT WORK AT EIGHT RATHER THAN LEAVE AT 730 MAYBE I'M GOING TO LEAVE AT SEVEN.

SO I START GOING EARLIER AND EARLIER OR LATER AND LATER AND THIS GETS BACK TO THAT TRAVEL TIME RELIABILITY I STARTED JUST IN MY TRAVEL TIME SO I MISS I'M TRYING TO GET ON THE EDGES OF THAT THAT WORST TRAFFIC AND THAT'S ALREADY HAPPENING OUT THERE RIGHT NOW.

SO THERE'S THE MORNING AND THIS SHOULD BE NO SURPRISE ANYBODY THE BOTTOM DIAGRAM SHOWS JUST ONE OF THE OUTPUTS THAT WE CAN GET OUT OF THIS IS A MODEL THAT SHOWS SPEEDS SO GREEN IS GOOD, RED IS LOWER SPEEDS. PINK IS REALLY LOW SPEEDS. YOU CAN SEE THE QUEUE SO IT BASICALLY HAPPENS IN THE MORNING AS YOU HAVE ALL THIS TRAFFIC COMING ON FROM THROUGH BLUFFTON EITHER FROM 278 OR BLUFFTON PARKWAY AND IT ALL HAS TO COME DOWN AND MERGE ONE POINT AND PASS THAT MERGE TO 78 IS RUNNING AT CAPACITY RIGHT. YOU'RE GETTING AS MANY CARS ON ROAD AS YOU CAN AND THEN WHEN THEY GET TO SQUIRE POPE WE START INTERRUPTING THE TRAFFIC STREAM BECAUSE WE HAVE A TRAFFIC LIGHT. RIGHT.

AND WITH THOSE INTERRUPTIONS QUEUES THAT'S A PROBLEM BECAUSE THAT BECOMES THE BOTTLENECK ALL THE WAY BACK AND YOU'LL GET THAT SLINKY EFFECT ALL THE WAY THROUGH THE SYSTEM THAT'S BASICALLY THAT RED LIGHT GREEN LIGHT PROPAGATING ITS WAY BACK THROUGH THE SYSTEM ALL WAY BACK TO BLUFFTON. SO THAT'S WHERE THOSE CUES COME FROM.

SO YOU HAVE TWO QUEUES YOU'RE GOING TO CAPACITY CONSTRAINTS THE SQUARE POPE IS THE BIGGER BOTTLENECK BUT THE FACT THAT THERE'S ONLY TWO LANES ON THE BRIDGE AND THROUGH THAT MERGE IS ALSO A BUT A LESS A BOTTLENECK WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT IN A LITTLE BIT SO THAT YOU REALLY START TO SQUARE POP NOW THE GOOD NEWS IS THE MORNING ONCE YOU GET PAST QUIAPO YOU'VE GOT SOME TAKING CROSS ISLANDS SO PEOPLE TAKING VISITS TO 78 SO THAT TRAFFIC AND DISPERSE BUT THAT'S REALLY THE THE SOURCE THAT BOTTLENECK IN THE EVENING IT'S THAT WAY IN REVERSE NOW IN CROSS ISLAND I'VE GOT TWO LANES THAT ARE COMING NORTH THEY MERGE INTO ONE BUT STILL A LOT OF TRAFFIC YOU'VE GOT TWO LANES FROM TWO FROM BUSINESS 278 AND ALL THAT'S GOT TO SQUEEZE DOWN AT THE SQUARE POLE TRAFFIC SIGNAL BACK TO TWO LANES AND BECAUSE OF THAT YOU GET THOSE BIG QUEUES OF BACKUP THROUGH THE SYSTEM.

SO AGAIN HERE WE CAN SEE THE SPEEDS AND THEN YOU CAN SEE SOME OF THE QUEUES ARE TINY I'LL TELL YOU THAT NORTHBOUND QUEUE ON CROSS ISLAND PARKWAY THAT'S GOT TO BE THE SLOWEST QUEUE I'VE EVER PERSONALLY SAT AND I WAS I WAS ASTONISHED AT HOW THAT THAT TRAFFIC WAS GOING SO ONE OF THE QUESTIONS WE ASKED IS WHO'S IMPACTED WHO ARE WHO'S IN THE QUEUES AND WHERE THIS REALLY CAME UP IS IT THESE GUYS TOLD US YOU KNOW TRAFFIC STARTS FOR GETS LIGHT OUT AS I'M SITTING IN THIS QUEUE IN THE DARK IN THE MORNING THESE ARE TOURISTS THAT ARE ON THIS THAT ARE DRIVING HERE RIGHT. AND I LOOK AROUND ALL THE WORK TRUCKS AND THESE ARE COMMUTERS.

SO THAT'S OF THE FIRST INDICATION THAT WAS BEING IMPACTED IN THE MORNING.

IT'S A WORK FORCE. WE LOOK AT THIS JOURNEY TO WORK DATA THAT UPPER RIGHT DIAGRAM THIS IS FROM THE US CENSUS BUREAU AND. IT TELLS YOU OF ALL THE JOBS IN HILTON HEAD ISLAND WHOSE LIVES THE ISLAND WHO'S COMMUTING IN AND THEN WE HAVE SOME PEOPLE THAT LIVE ON THE OR LIVE ON THE ISLAND NOW I THINK YOU WERE MENTIONING SOMEBODY THERE REALLY, RIGHT? SO TWO THIRDS OR 64% OF THE PEOPLE WHO WORK ON THAT ISLAND ACTUALLY COMMUTE IN. SO THAT'S YOUR MORNING RUSH. IT'S ALL THE PEOPLE TRYING TO COMMUTE. 50% OF THE JOBS ON THE ISLAND ARE THINGS LIKE FOOD SERVICE.

YOU KNOW, IT'LL SERVE AS CONSTRUCT AND PEOPLE WHO HAVE TO BE THERE AT A CERTAIN TIME.

THESE ARE NOT JOBS THAT I CAN ZOOM IN OR I CAN TEAMS IN AND DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE THE FLEXIBLE WORK HOURS. SO THIS MORNING RUSH HOUR YOU'RE REALLY DEALING WITH THE WORKFORCE IN SAINT LOUIS. A NUMBER OF YEARS AGO WE WERE TRYING TO GET A TAX FOR TRANSIT AND THE MAYOR OF A COMMUNITY CALLED CHESTERFIELD WHICH IS A HIGHER HIGHER END, YOU KNOW, KIND OF A WEALTHY NEIGHBORHOOD THE LEADER FOR THIS THE PEOPLE WERE TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHY IS THIS PERSON SO PRO TRANSIT AND IT WAS THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY THAT WAS REALLY TALKING TO HIM SAYING HEY LISTEN, THE PEOPLE THAT ARE WORKING IN STARBUCKS AND WORKING ALL THESE STORES ARE TAKING TRANSIT TO GET TO WORK. RIGHT.

SO THAT'S KIND OF THE SITUATION THAT YOU HAVE. YOU HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT NEED TO GET INTO WORK IN THE MORNING THAT DOING A LOT OF THESE JOBS THAT YOU NEED TO GIVE LANDSCAPING INSTRUCTION AGAIN AND A LOT OF THE SERVICE INDUSTRY AND THOSE ARE THE

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THE COMMUTE CAN VARY DRASTICALLY FROM DAY DAY AND PART OF THAT AS WE UNDERSTAND IT AND WE ARE ASKING A LOT OF QUESTION LIKE WHY IS THAT IF IT'S A NICE DAY AND YOU HAVE A LOT OF VISITORS IN ON THE BEACH AND THEN IT STARTS TO RAIN EARLY AFTERNOON A LOT OF PEOPLE MIGHT SAY FORGET IT WE'RE GOING BACK HOME ALL THOSE PEOPLE THAT ARE PILED ON TOP OF , ALL THE WORKFORCE THAT'S TRYING TO GET HOME AND IT REALLY CREATES A BIG BOTTLENECK.

THAT BRIDGE IS THE ONLY WAY OFF THE ISLAND AND THERE'S A LOT OF VARIABILITY IN THAT IN THAT TIME WHICH REALLY IMPACTS PEOPLE ABILITY TO BRING THEIR KIDS TO SOCCER PRACTICE OR FOOTBALL PRACTICE OR ALL THE OTHER THINGS THAT PARENTS WANT TO DO WITH THE KIDS OR FAMILIES WANT TO DO RIGHT? SO THAT VARIABILITY REALLY HAS A BIG IMPACT ON THE PEOPLE WHO WORK ON THE ISLAND AND NEED TO BACK HOME TO DO THINGS AT THE END OF THE DAY WE TOOK A LOOK AT SOME NUMBERS. THERE'S A LOT OF GRAPHS HERE ALL KIND OF EXPLAIN THE SIGNIFICANCE OF THESE. SO THE ONE ON THE UPPER LEFT IS JUST HOW MANY VISITORS COME EVERY MONTH THE ISLAND WE GOT THAT FROM THE CONVENTION BUREAU AND YOU CAN IT'S A LOT HIGHER IN THE SUMMER AND IT TAILS OFF IN THE WINTER. WE LOOK AT THE DAILY TRAFFIC VOLUMES THE ONE BELOW IT WE SEE THAT SAME SHAPE WE SEE IT'S MUCH MORE CONSISTENT.

THERE'S AN R-SQUARED VALUE ON THREE OF THOSE CHARTS SO THAT R-SQUARED IS JUST SOME MEASURE OF CONSISTENCY. SO THE CLOSER THAT NUMBER IS TO ONE THE MORE CONSISTENT THE DATA IS. SO THE LOWER LEFT IS THE DAILY VOLUMES IT'S MORE CONSISTENT THE VISITOR DATA BUT IS ACTUALLY LESS CONSISTENT THAN THE MORNING THE EVENING PEAK.

THE MORNING PEAK IS THE UPPER RIGHT IN THE EVENING PEAK IS THE LOWER RIGHT SO YOU CAN SEE THE MOST CONSISTENT DATA IS THAT MORNING PEAK HOUR RUSH THOSE ARE JUST PEOPLE TRYING TO GET INTO WORK YOUR HIGHEST IS THE PEAK WHICH IS LESS CONSISTENT THE MORNING AND THAT'S A VARIABILITY I WAS TALKING ABOUT AND THEN THERE'S MORE VARIABILITY WHEN WE JUST LOOK AT DAILY VOLUMES BECAUSE THAT'S MUCH MORE RELATED TO TOUR SEASON WHEN WE LOOK AT THE BRIDGE CROSSINGS ACCORDING TO THE DOT THERE'S ABOUT 20 MILLION CROSSINGS OF THE BRIDGE EVERY YEAR ACCORDING TO THE BUSINESS BUREAU THERE'S ABOUT 3 MILLION VISITORS.

WHEN YOU LOOK AT PEOPLE PER CAR AND ALL THAT STUFF, ABOUT 10 TO 20% OF THAT TRAFFIC ON THE BRIDGE ARE ACTUALLY VISITORS THE VAST MAJORITY OF THAT ARE PEOPLE WHO ARE ON OUR COMMUTERS . SO I WOULD TALK ABOUT TO WHAT I'M CALLING SUPPORTING PROJECTS Y'ALL NEED TO THINK ABOUT AND THEN WE'LL TALK ABOUT KIND OF THE IMPACT OF THIS PROJECT OVERALL THE FIRST THING THAT WE SEE IS LIKELY TO HAPPEN IS GUM TREE IN THE MORNING IN THE EASTBOUND ALREADY BACKS UP TO CROSSTOWN PARKWAY OR KNOW PASS THAT UNDERNEATH IT'S ALREADY AT CAPACITY IF WE RELEASE THE QUEUE AND WE SEND MORE TO THAT TRAFFIC SIGNAL IT'S GOING TO IT'S GOING TO BACK UP IT BECOMES A CHOKE A CHOKE POINT SO IT BECOMES THE NEW BOTTLENECK IN THE PASS AND I THINK IS GOING BACK TO AROUND 2017 THAT USED TO HAVE THREE EASTBOUND THRU LANES IN THERE WHEN CROSSWALKS WERE PUT IN OR THERE'S A PEDESTRIAN IMPROVEMENT PROJECT IT WAS BROUGHT DOWN TO TWO THRUS AND A RIGHT TURN LANE ARE A RECOMMENDATION IS TO TAKE A REAL HARD LOOK AT PUTTING THREE THRU LANES BACK THROUGH THAT INTERSECTION. IT LOOKS LIKE YOU CAN DO IT WITHOUT WIDENING THE FOOTPRINT.

YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO STILL DO IT AND KEEP THE CROSSWALK AND KEEP IT SAFE.

ONE OF THE THINGS YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO DO ON THE WEST SIDE WHEN YOU PUSH THE WALK BUTTON IT ACTUALLY GIVES YOU ENOUGH TIME TO GET ALL THE WAY ACROSS ALL OF THAT.

WHAT COULD DO IS YOU COULD LET THEM GET ACROSS HALF OF IT PUT ANOTHER PET BUTTON IN THE MIDDLE IN THAT MEDIAN AND THEY'LL GET ACROSS THE REST OF THE WAY.

SO THERE'S WAYS THAT YOU COULD DESIGN SIGNAL TO HAVE THREE EASTBOUND LANES.

WE REALLY THINK THAT THAT'S GOING TO BE NEEDED WHEN THIS WHEN THE BRIDGE PROJECT IS DONE THE OTHER ONE IS THIS ONE'S A LITTLE HARDER. THIS IS SEE PINE CIRCLE SO SEE PINE CIRCLE IS ALREADY CONGESTED IN IN ORDER TO ATTRACT PEOPLE TO CROSS ISLAND PARKWAY AND TAKE TRAFFIC OUT OF THIS GUM TREE INTERSECTION WE'RE JUST TALKING ABOUT YOU NEED MORE PEOPLE THESE CROSS PARKWAY BUT THEY GET STUCK GET TO SEE PINE CIRCLE RIGHT BECAUSE IT'S ALREADY CONGESTED AND AGAIN IF I'M SENDING MORE TRAFFIC DOWN THEY'RE JUST GOING TO MAKE THAT PROJECT PROBLEM WORSE. THE TRICK HERE IS THAT YOU GOT SOMETHING REALLY GREAT THERE THAT IT'S A NICE GATEWAY AND IT'S A NICE COMMON FEATURE SO PEOPLE COME OFF CROSS ISLAND PARKWAY, THEY HIT SEE PINE CIRCLE IT SLOWS EVERYBODY DOWN COMING INTO TOWN AND IT'S A NICE POINT OF YOU'RE OFF THE FREEWAY, YOU'RE IN A COMMUNITY, YOU SHOULD DRIVE BETTER. SO WE DON'T HAVE A STRONG RECOMMENDATION OF WHAT THAT OUGHT TO LOOK LIKE BECAUSE. I THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE MUCH MORE INVOLVEMENT.

THAT'S A BIG PROJECT TO FIGURE THAT OUT ON ITS OWN. BUT WHAT OUR RECOMMENDATION IS FOR THE COMMUNITY BETWEEN THE COUNTY AND THE TOWN TO REALLY TAKE A HARD LOOK AT THAT

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AND THE BOTTOM LINE IS THE THE ISSUE IS AT SQUIRE POPE SPANISH WALLS AREA BECAUSE EVERYBODY FROM BRIDGE GOES TO THOSE TWO TRAFFIC LIGHTS AND THEN YOU SPLIT OFF BUSINESS TO 78 AND THE CROSS ISLAND PARKWAY SO IF WE DON'T MAKE AN IMPROVEMENT THERE THAT ACTUALLY MAKES IT WORSE RIGHT. SO IT'S REALLY NOT HELPING ANYTHING.

YOU'LL NOTICE THE BIG JUMP IN NORTHBOUND CROSS ISLAND PARKWAY IN PM FROM 17 TO 33 WE ACTUALLY IMPROVED IN THE MODEL C PINES BUT LET THAT TRAFFIC UP AND THEN WHAT IS THERE'S JUST MORE TRAFFIC SITTING IN THAT SAME OL QUEUE SO YOU CAN SEE WHAT THOSE WHAT THOSE IMPACTS ARE BUT WE WERE ASKED DO YOU REALLY NEED TO WADE THROUGH THAT AREA AND IF YOU WANT PROJECT TO BE EFFECTIVE YES YOU DO. WE'RE ASKED TO LOOK AT FUTURE TRAFFIC GROWTH.

SO THIS LOOKS AT THE HISTORIC EIGHTIES WE TALKED ABOUT EARLIER THAT THE GREEN DOT WHICH IS COVERED UP BY THE BLACK THAT TO SOME EXTENT IS THE EIA'S TRAFFIC FORECAST WHEN WE LOOK AT ALL THE MODELING THAT WAS DONE TO DO THOSE FORECASTS, THEY ALL SEEM PRETTY REASONABLE. SO WE HAVE ANY QUIBBLES WITH THE FORECAST THAT WAS DONE BY THE DOT FOR THIS PROJECT. WE THINK IT'S REASONABLE AND IF WE CAME UP WITH THE NUMBER INDEPENDENTLY WOULD PROBABLY COME UP WITH THE SAME NUMBER THIS ONE AND THIS IS GOING TO TAKE A LITTLE EXPLANATION. SO THIS IS THE QUESTION FOR HOW DOES THIS GOING IN THE FUTURE EVERYTHING HAVING TALKED ABOUT SO FAR IS LOOKING AT HOW DOES THIS WORK TO DATE OPENS RIGHT OPENING DAY SO ON THE LEFT SIDE WE HAVE A GRAPH IN THE BLUE THERE THAT'S THE NUMBERS WE WERE ABOUT EARLIER WITH THE MORNING PEAK. SO IT GROWS GROWS IT FLATTENS OFF THE ORANGE EXTENDING SHOWS THE THROUGHPUT ON THE BRIDGE IN OUT YEARS AND SO SHOWS THAT THE TRAFFIC ACROSS THE BRIDGE CONTINUES TO GROW AS WE HAVE CAPACITY THERE SO ABOUT 2045 IN ABOUT 2045 WHAT HAPPENS IS WE START TO HIT CAPACITY AND THIS BECOMES THAT BECOMES THE THING ON RIGHT ALL THOSE GRAPHS IN THE WORDS AREN'T AS IMPORTANT THE NUMBERS ARE IT'S THE COLORS THAT ARE IMPORTANT. SO THE VERY TOP ONE IS 2023 NO BUILD AND ALL THE ONES BELOW IT ARE BUILD AND IT STARTS 2025, 2030, 2035, 2040, 2045 AND 2050 AND AT THE VERY TOP OF EACH OF THOSE LITTLE CELLS IS BLUFFTON. AND IT JUST SHOWS THE SPEEDS GO TO THE EAST SO YOU CAN SEE THAT OPENING DAY A HUGE IMPROVEMENT. ALL THE REDS GONE AND WE HAVE A LOT OF GREEN SO A LOT OF GOOD SPEEDS AND AS WE PROGRESS THROUGH THE YEARS START GETTING SOME ORANGE AND THEN WE START GETTING SOME RED BACK SO THE QUESTION IS HOW LONG IS IS THIS PROJECT WE CAN PROVIDE? WELL, IT'S GOING TO PROVIDE A BENEFIT ALL THE WAY UP TO SAY

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RIGHT. WE'RE ABLE TO GET MORE PEOPLE AND OFF THE ISLAND.

BUT WE ARE GOING TO START TO SEE SOME SOME CONGESTION IN AND SOME DELAY AS WE GET BACK INTO THE OUT YEARS MAYBE AROUND 2040, 2045 RANGE AND THEN PM SEE THE SAME TREND RIGHT? SO IN THE BLUE IS THE HISTORIC PEAK OUR VOLUMES WE CAN SEE THAT THAT ORANGE LINE WE CONTINUE TO HAVE MORE THROUGHPUT AS WE GO THE VERY TOP A LOT RED AS IT'S JAMMED UP THE DOT'S PROJECT CLEARS UP AND THEN WE START TO GET SOME CONGESTION AGAIN DOWN THE OUT YEARS WHAT WE SEE IN THIS ONE IS JUST A NOTE THE RED IS DOWN FURTHER DOWN THE COLUMN IN THE TOP CHART BECAUSE THAT IS FROM SQUARE POST WHAT ENDS UP ACTUALLY HAPPENING ON THE PM IS AT SOME POINT TO BUSINESS 278 ITSELF CAN ONLY ACCEPT SO MUCH TRAFFIC THAT'S WHERE THE CONGESTION IS. IT'S MORE TO THE EAST MAYBE YOU'LL RUN SOME OF THE OTHER INTERSECTIONS. SO THE QUESTION IS THEN HOW DO WE THE LIFE OF THIS PROJECT HOW DO WE MAKE IT SO THIS PROJECT CAN CAN CAN LAST A REALLY LONG TIME.

RIGHT. AND THIS WE GET TO TRAVEL DEMAND MANAGEMENT SO CAN WE PROVIDE PEOPLE OPPORTUNITY EAST TO MAKE THEIR TRIPS WITHOUT NECESSARILY HAVING TO DRIVE ACROSS THE AND WE'LL COME BACK TO THIS AND WE THINK THAT YOU'VE GOT REALLY GOOD BONES TO START WORKING WITH THAT BASED ON THE BIKE PED NETWORK YOU HAVE THE INFRASTRUCTURE THE ISLAND WHICH REALLY NEEDS TO BE BOLSTERED UP ON THE MAINLAND SIDE AS WELL AS.

YOU'VE GOT A BASE TRANSIT SYSTEM. WE'LL TALK ABOUT THIS HERE IN A MINUTE THAT COULD REALLY BE BOLSTERED UP TO HOW WE STARTED .

LOOK AT OTHER COMMUNITIES, OTHER TOURIST COMMUNITIES AND WHAT THEY'RE DOING AND ONE OF THE BEST EXAMPLES I COME UP WITH WAS SUMMIT COUNTY, COLORADO, WHICH FEELS KIND OF WEIRD RIGHT. SO WE'RE A COMMUNITY HERE. WHAT SOME COUNTY HAVING TO DO WITH THIS, SOME COUNTY HAS THE SAME KIND A SITUATION SO. CHARLENE BOTT WHO'S THE NEW FEDERAL HIGHWAY ADMINISTRATOR USED TO BE THE COLORADO'S DOT CEO.

HE WAS RECENTLY AT A CONFERENCE THAT I WAS AT AND HE'S TALKING ABOUT THIS.

SO THE TIMING IS REALLY IS REALLY COOL. YOU'VE GOT A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT ARE IN DENVER EITHER FLYING INTO THE AIRPORT OR LEAVING DENVER AND WANT TO GO UP TO BRECKENRIDGE, VAIL, ALL THESE AND GO SKI IN 70 HAS GOT ENVIRONMENTAL CONSTRAINTS FOR THE D.O.T. TO BE ABLE TO WIDEN IT SO THEY'RE NOT TO WIDEN 70 SO THEY'RE TRYING TO THINK HOW DO WE KEEP THIS THRIVING SKI COMMUNITY ALIVE WHILE WE HAVE THIS THESE CONSTRAINTS THE EISENHOWER TUNNEL, SOME OTHER VERY ENVIRONMENTALLY SENSITIVE AREAS THROUGH THE THROUGH THE SO WHAT THEY'VE DONE IS IS THEY'VE DEVELOPED THE TRANSIT SYSTEM IN SUMMIT COUNTY THAT THE COUNTY RUNS AND IT'S LOCAL CIRCULATOR THAT GETS PEOPLE AROUND BETWEEN THE DIFFERENT RESORTS TO YOU KNOW GET AROUND WHEREVER THEY NEED TO GO IN THAT TIME THERE'S A VERY ACTIVE SHUTTLE SYSTEM FROM DENVER THAT'LL BRING PEOPLE UP SO YOU CAN FLY INTO DENVER, TAKE THE SHUTTLE UP TO FRISCO, CATCH THE LOCAL SHUTTLE AND YOU GET ANYWHERE YOU NEED TO GO WITHOUT HAVING TO DRIVE UP THERE. VERY CONVENIENT FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE IN THEIR RIDERSHIP THEY START REALLY STARTED AND IN THE NINETIES AND IN 92 THE RIDERSHIP WAS YOU KNOW 400,000 AND THEY'RE UP TO YOU KNOW, CLOSE TO 2 MILLION TRIPS A DAY NOW.

SO IT'S MAYBE A MODEL THAT COULD LOOK AT OF HOW PEOPLE COULD GET AROUND IN THIS AREA THE SAME WAY AND REDUCE TO SOME EXTENT THAT THE NEED FOR PEOPLE TO DRIVE ACROSS THE BRIDGE YOU'VE GOT A STRONG BASE TO BUILD FROM AND THAT YOU'VE GOT AN ESTABLISHED TRANSIT SYSTEM YOU'VE GOT REALLY STRONG BIKE PAD INFRASTRUCTURE. THERE'S GOING TO BE A NEW MULTI-USE PATH ALONG THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE BRIDGE. YOU KNOW ONE OF THE THINGS THAT'S THAT'S A BIG DISCUSSION IN THE WORLD OF TRANSPORTATION IT'S PROBABLY TOO FAR FOR MOST PEOPLE TO RIDE A BIKE TO YOU KNOW, TO WORK IF I'M GOING TO WORK IN A SERVICE BUSINESS BUT IF I HAVE AN E-BIKE THAT CHANGES THE GAME, RIGHT? SO WHEN YOU HAVE PEOPLE IN THESE FUTURE YEARS WE'RE TALKING YEARS DOWN THE ROAD IN WHOSE TRAFFIC'S YOU KNOW THERE'S TRAFFIC ISSUES MIGHT BE FASTER RIDE YOUR E-BIKE ACROSS THE BRIDGE THAN THIS AND TRAFFIC TO TO BE ABLE TO GET THERE THERE ARE CHALLENGES SO THE THE METAL BRIDGE DOESN'T HAVE A LOT OF FUNDING THEY GET ABOUT HALF THEIR FUNDING FROM LOCAL AND ABOUT HALF FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT THE SERVICES RIGHT NOW AREN'T COORDINATED WELL SO YOU'VE GOT A LOT OF TRANSIT SYSTEMS LIKE THE SEA PINES TROLLEY THE SERVICES AREN'T NECESSARILY COORDINATED TO MAKE IT EASY FOR PEOPLE TO TO USE THEM A SEAMLESS SYSTEM THE SERVICE IS LIMITED TO MAKE

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SO ONE OF THE ISSUES IS YOU KNOW, RUNS ONCE A DAY IN AND KIND OF ONCE A DAY OUT AND THEN THE FERRY KNOW ONLY RUNS DURING THE THE YOU KNOW MAY TO SO ONLY DURING THE TOURIST SEASON SO IF I WORK ON THE ISLAND IT'S NOT SOLELY GOING TO HELP ME OUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT COULD BE AN EASY FIX AREN'T ANY PARK AND RIDE LOTS TO BE ABLE TO USE THAT AND EVEN IF THERE WERE THE TRANSFER HUB THAT THEY HAVE IS IN A MAINTENANCE FACILITY AND AT THE ENTRANCE THE MAIN FACILITY IS ON A NO TRESPASSING SIGN SO WE TRY GET OUR GUY OUT OF THE BUS.

HE'S LIKE WELL I CAN'T FIGURE OUT WHERE TO CATCH THE CATCH THE THING BECAUSE THERE'S THERE'S A TRANSFER HUB THERE BUT I CAN'T GET TO IT WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, KIND OF TELLING OF SOME OF THE THE CHALLENGES AND THEN A LOT OF THE BUS STOPS AREN'T VERY WELL.

AGAIN, IT'S NOT OBVIOUS WHERE THOSE WHERE THOSE BUSSES STOP. SO WHEN WE LOOK AT IT THERE'S SOME REALLY COOL OPPORTUNITIES THAT ARE THERE THERE ARE SOME CHALLENGES THINGS THAT ARE DEFINITELY YOU'RE ABLE WORK OUT TO IMPROVE UPON TO GET A SYSTEM THAT WOULD BE MORE FUNCTIONAL SO THE SHORT TERM AND THESE ARE ALL THINGS I THINK YOU COULD START THINKING ABOUT NOW GOODNESS AS YOU'VE GOT A SYSTEM THIS BRIDGE PROJECT WILL GO BEFORE THE BRIDGE IS BUILT OUT HAVE GUM TREE DONE AND I HAVE AN IDEA ONE WOULD SEE PINES BECAUSE THOSE ARE GOING TO COME UP AS IMMEDIATE ISSUES ALL THIS OTHER STUFF IS GOING TO COME UP YEARS DOWN THE ROAD BUT IT TAKES A LONG TIME GET SYSTEMS IN PLACE AND GET PEOPLE TO ACCEPT IT AND REALLY GET TO WORK WELL. SO I BELIEVE THAT IN THE PAST IT'S BEEN ON THE AGENDA TO HAVE A SALES TAX FOR TRANSIT AND MAYBE THAT'S BACK ON BUT THAT'S SOMETHING I WOULD DEFINITELY LOOK AT. I'M JUST TO GET THE FUNDING PLACE TO START WORKING ON SOME OF THESE WE'VE DID DO WORK WITH THE CITY OF SAINT LOUIS AND I'VE TOLD THEIR STREET COMMISSIONER THAT TO GET PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION WORK IT'S IT'S NOT METRO'S PROBLEM.

METRO HAS HALF THE PROBLEM THEY THE OTHER HALF BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO HAVE GOOD BUS STOPS AND PEOPLE HAVE TO BE ABLE TO GET THERE AND THE SYSTEM HAS TO WORK THE INFRASTRUCTURE HAS TO WORK FOR BUSSES. SO PARK RIDE LOTS WOULD BE HELPFUL I THINK TO GET THEM A GOOD TRANSFER THAT'S ACCESSIBLE IN PARK AND RIDE LOTS OF PEOPLE COULD USE IT WOULD BE A BIG I'M TRYING TO WORK WITH THEM TO COORDINATE BETWEEN THE SYSTEMS AND TO GET A LITTLE BETTER SERVICE WOULD BE A BIG DEAL YOU'LL HAVE TO MARKET THIS AT SOME POINT SO PEOPLE KNOW THAT IT'S THERE AND HOW TO USE IT AND YOU CAN DO SOME OF THAT THROUGH YOU KNOW LOOKING AT MAYBE RETIREMENT COMMUNITIES OTHER PLACES WHERE YOU KNOW YOU WOULD HAVE PEOPLE THAT WOULD BE KIND OF A CAPTIVE AUDIENCE. SO THE TRANSIT SYSTEM IN SANTA CRUZ COUNTY WHERE I'M FROM STARTED IS IS THE SILVER EXPRESS OR SOMETHING BUT IT WENT TO THE RETIREMENT CENTERS AND EVENTUALLY EXPANDED OUT THINGS THAT THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE USE.

AND THEN ONE OF THE THINGS I THINK TO LOOK WITH THE DOT'S PROJECT IS THERE'S A CONCEPT THAT'S OUT IN IN MANY CITIES OF BUS AND SHOULDER IT A LITTLE DIFFERENT DESIGN IT DEPENDS ON WHERE THEIR DESIGN IS HOW Y THEY'RE GOING TO MAKE THEIR SHOULDERS IF THE SHOULDERS ARE WIDE ENOUGH IN FUTURE YEARS IF THERE WAS CONGESTION AND THE BUSSES CAN GET OVER ON THE SHOULDER AND THEY'RE NOT DOING 60 THEY'RE PROBABLY DOING 30 MILES AN HOUR WHERE THEY CAN BYPASS THAT QUEUE AND MAKES THAT TRANSIT A LOT MORE PROVIDES A LOT BETTER CONSISTENCY FOR PEOPLE USING IT THAT MAKES THAT TRANSIT A LOT MORE ATTRACTIVE FOR PEOPLE TO USE. SO IN A NUTSHELL THAT'S WHERE WE'RE AT AND HAPPY TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? YES, MA'AM.

I LIKE THE IDEA OF THE BUS JUMPING THE LOOKING FOR THE BUSSES BUT ANY DID YOU LOOK AT ANYTHING ABOUT A RAILWAY AS PART OF THIS LIKE MORE IF WE WENT TO MORE LINE YEAH SO DURING THE PEAK TIMES SO THERE'S THERE'S CALLED MANAGE LANES THERE'S DIFFERENT WAYS YOU CAN PLAY MANAGE LANES THERE'S HB LANES WITH EIGHT OR TEN LANES OR HIGH ACTIVITY TOLL I REALLY DON'T SEE THEM ON THE BRIDGE. THERE'S A CONCEPT OF HARD RUNNING SHOULDERS YOU COULD DO THE THAT YOU HAVE FOR THE SIX LANES IS A BASIC CAPACITY SO A LOT OF PLACES IN COLORADO DID THIS THEY PUT HARD RUNNING SHOULDERS WITH A TOLL AND THE REASON THEY DID THAT IS BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T HAVE ENOUGH MONEY TO BUILD THE EXTRA LANES.

SO IT WAS A REVENUE MECHANISM I THINK I'M NOT SURE IF SOUTH CAROLINA ALLOWS TOLLS.

I THINK I THINK THERE'S SOME MAYBE SOME LEGISLATIVE ISSUES WITH THAT POTENTIALLY.

SO BEFORE THE THREE LANES IT'S REALLY JUST THE NEED FOR THAT BASIC CAPACITY THAT YOU I'M NOT SURE I SEE A REAL STRONG ARGUMENT FOR MANAGED LANES ON THAT FOR THAT PROJECT IT'S NOT A QUESTION USED TO COME IN YEAH I THANK YOU FOR THIS YOU'VE GIVEN US A GREAT DEAL OF INFORMATION TO DEAL WITH I'M HAPPY TO SEE THAT YOU WENT OUT IN YOU KNOW RUN AND ALSO TO

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GREAT SUGGESTIONS AND CONGRATULATIONS REALLY WELL DONE.

I THINK YOU OF COURSE WOULD PEOPLE BE THAT'S COMING FROM HARTVILLE AND JASPER PARK SOMEPLACE A COMMUTER LIGHT PARK SOMEPLACE HAVE THE BUS PICK THEM UP THERE ARE CERTAIN TAKE THEM TO THE ISLAND DROP THEM OFF CERTAIN PLACES AND THEN COMING BACK THE SAME THING PICK UP THE CAR I MEAN THAT'S WE DID IN THE D.C. AREA ALL OVER THE PLACE AND IT REALLY WORK RIGHT THAT'S THAT'S THE IDEA IS TO AND YOU NEED RIDERSHIP FOR THAT'S WHY IT TAKES A LONG TIME TO BUILD THIS KIND OF A SYSTEM SO YOU NEED INFRASTRUCTURE WITH THOSE LOTS YOU NEED FUNDING TO BE ABLE TO RUN THE BUSSES PART OF IS IF THE BUS RUNS ONCE A DAY AND THAT DOESN'T COINCIDE WITH YOUR SHIFT. RIGHT. AND THAT'S NOT GOING TO WORK.

SO THE MORE RIDERSHIP YOU GET, THE MORE SERVICE YOU CAN GET AND IT JUST KIND OF BUILDS UPON ITSELF. BUT THAT THAT THAT'S CERTAINLY THE IDEA FEELS A GOOD THING THE PARKING LOT TRANSPORTATION I LIKE THAT IN YOUR STUDY DID YOU IDENTIFY HOW MANY FOR FUTURE PLANNING IF YOU THOUGHT ABOUT THAT HOW MANY DO WE ACTUALLY NEED TO LOOK AT SO THAT IF WE'RE GOING TO DO THAT AND PURCHASING LAND RIGHT IS JUST GOING TO BE CHEAPER THAN WAITING TEN YEARS DOWN THE ROAD TO PURCHASE THE LAND SO. IT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, PUTTING SOME THOUGHTS IN THE MIND WHETHER WE BUY IT OR NOT IS OURS IS UP TO US BUT WE'LL STUDY LOOK AT THAT AT A POTENTIAL FOR SAY YOU'RE GOING TO NEED THREE FIVE PARKING LOTS TO COVER COUNTY FOR THE YEAH IT'S A GOOD QUESTION OUR STUDY DID NOT GET FAR THIS IS ONE OF THE PLACES THAT WE WERE EXPECTING IT OF IS SOME MODELING AND THEN THAT ONCE WE GET INTO IT ARE LIKE WELL WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT SOME OTHER SOLUTIONS AND I'M I CAN REMEMBER HER NAME OF THE EXECUTIVE WE INTERVIEWED THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF I'M OUT OF BERRIES AND VERY SHE'S ON TOP OF IT SO SHE'S GOT PLANS. SHE KNOWS WHAT SHE WOULD DO SO I THINK THERE WOULD NEED TO BE A SUBSEQUENT STUDY TO KIND OF MAP THAT OUT DEPENDING ON WHAT KIND OF FUNDING IS AVAILABLE. PART OF IT DEPENDS THE SERVICE AND SO IT ALL KIND OF ROLLS TOGETHER BUT TO COME UP WITH LARGER TRANSIT PLAN I THINK IS A NEED IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THE COUNTY IS INTERESTED IN PURSUING.

THANK YOU. THIS FOCUS WAS FROM BLUFFTON HILTON.

YES. OKAY. SO IF WE'RE GOING TO EXPAND THAT TO OTHER AREAS WOULD BE A WHOLE OTHER CONSIDERATION. RIGHT.

SO THE PARKING LOTS WE MIGHT NEED WILL BE OVER IN THAT AREA MOVING TRAFFIC FROM ON TO AND THEN BACK TO GET THE CAR TO GO WHEREVER THAT. YES.

ANYBODY ELSE FARGO I MINE'S MORE OF A QUESTION AND A COMMENT AT THE SAME I NOTICED YOU AS YOU HAVE A PROJECTED THAT NUMBERS ARE GOING TO CONTINUE CLIMB PART OF THAT YOU SAY IS BECAUSE WE'RE EXPANDING SO GOING TO GO UP NO MATTER WHAT BECAUSE WE'RE ALREADY ALLOWING MORE CARS BUT. AT WHAT POINT IN THE FUTURE DO WE PLATEAU BECAUSE THERE'S NO MORE GROWTH, THERE'S NO MORE JOBS TO THERE'S NO MORE HOUSES THAT CAN BE BUILT.

AT WHAT POINT IS THAT HAPPENING? SO IF WE DO OUR JOB PROPERLY I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT COMING SOONER RATHER THAN LATER. IF NOT WE'RE NOT DOING JOB PROPERLY AND WE'RE JUST ALWAYS GOING TO BE CHASING IT OVER AND OVER AND OVER SO.

DID YOUR MODELS SHOW WAS IT BASED OFF OF THE CONTINUED INCREASE OR IS THAT TAKING THE POPULATION IS GOING TO CAP OUT ON THAT? YEAH, SURE.

SO THE DOT HAD AND SO EVENTUALLY THE RIGHT THINGS CAP OUT THE DOTS GOT A TRAVEL DEMAND AND THAT INCORPORATES LAND USE AND FUTURE LAND USE AND DEVELOPMENT AND THAT SO WITH THIS TRAVEL DEMAND MANAGEMENT THERE'S COUPLE OF THINGS YOU CAN DO YOU CAN NOT HAVE YOU CAN HAVE AFFORDABLE HOUSING ON THE ISLAND SO PEOPLE CAN LIVE HERE AND NOT HAVE TO DRIVE IN SO THERE'S A NUMBER OF THINGS THAT YOU CAN DO SO YOU BRING UP A GOOD QUESTION AND YOU CAN CHANGE THAT TRAJECTORY. SO WE GAVE YOU A COUPLE TRANSPORTATION WAYS TO CHANGE THAT DIRECTORY. THE OTHER WAY TO DO THAT IS THROUGH LAND USE PLANNING A LAND USE POLICY AND THAT WAS OUTSIDE OF THE SCOPE THAT WE

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I THINK THIS GETS US STARTED WHAT WE NEED TO DO NEXT. THANK YOU.

GERRY, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE ON THAT ONE? NO, JUST ALL THE WORK THAT SEAN AND HIS GROUP DID AS YOU CAN SEE THERE IS A LOT OF ENERGY AND EFFORT THAT WENT INTO IT AND A LOT OF BRINGS THOSE AND SO WE APPRECIATE THAT PART AND YEAH WE'LL WE'RE GOING TO MOVE THIS PROJECT TO THE NEXT STEP SO THIS WILL BE HELD SAME PRESENTATION IS GOING TO BE JOHN IS GOING TO FLY BACK AND COME BACK NEXT WEEK TOO. HE'LL BE NEXT TUESDAY PERFECT GET THAT LAST SHEET YOU HAD RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WILL BE THE LAST SLIDE PRESENTATION IS SO THE RECOMMENDATION YEAH YOU WILL GET A COPY OF THIS NOW THANK YOU GOOD LUCK AT THAT MEETING NEXT WEEK. YEAH THANK YOU. WE WILL MOVE ON.

[8. DISCUSSION REGARDING SALES TAX COMMITTEE APPOINTMENTS - Jared Fralix, ACA Infrastructure]

THREE ARE TO BE APPOINTED FROM THE COUNTY AND THEN THREE ARE TO BE APPOINTED BY MUNICIPALITIES. IN ADDITION TO THAT, THE MUNICIPALITIES IT GOES FURTHER AND HAS A FORMULA AND SAYS THIS IS HOW BASED OFF YOUR POPULATION RELATIVE TO THE REST OF THE COUNTY HOW MANY APPOINTEES EACH MUNICIPALITY GETS FOR US THAT WAS HILTON HEAD HAD ONE APPOINTEE. WE THOUGHT INITIALLY THAT THE TOWN OF BLUFFTON HAD A AN APPOINTEE AS WELL AND THEN THAT BLUFFTON ARE BEFORE IN HILTON EXCUSE ME BEAUFORT AND PORT ROYAL WOULD SHARE ONE ONE TECHNICALITY THAT OUR LEGAL TEAM FOUND FROM ATTORNEY GENERAL WAS THAT WE HAD WE WERE USING A ROUNDING AND BASICALLY IT WAS PER THE MATH CALCULATION ONLY IF YOU ARE ABOVE AND BEYOND THAT POINT WOULD YOU HAVE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO POINT SO SPECIFIC US THAT MEANS THE TOWN OF HILTON HEAD IS THE ONLY ONE THAT MET THAT THRESHOLD TO HAVE A MUNICIPAL APPOINTEE THEY HAVE MADE A MUNICIPAL APPOINTEE AND MR. MOORE CAMPBELL AND THEN PURSUANT TO THE LAW AGAIN THEN THAT APPOINTEE APPOINTS THE OTHER TWO MUNICIPAL APPOINTEES NOT COUNTY COUNCIL. THE COUNTY COUNCIL ONLY APPOINTS THE COUNTY REPRESENTATIVES. SO THIS WEEKEND MR. CAMPBELL PROVIDED LETTER TO CHAIRMAN PARSON FOR THE OTHER TWO APPOINTEES.

SO FOR THE TOWN OF BLUFFTON HE APPOINTED CHARLIE WHITTEMORE AND FOR THE TOWN OF PORT ROYAL AND CITY OF BEAUFORT COMBINED HE APPOINTED DEAN MOSS. THOSE ARE ALL NAMES THAT WE HAD DISCUSSED PREVIOUSLY AND THAT THE TOWNS WERE HAPPY WITH SO IT WAS A FAVORABLE APPOINTEE APPOINTMENTS FROM MR. CAMPBELL. SO REALLY THE TASK TONIGHT IS TO DISCUSS THE THE COUNTY THREE REPRESENTATIVES AND WE'VE HAD VARIOUS NAMES AND I, I WOULD LEAN ON YOU GUYS AS THE COMMITTEE TO DISCUSS THOSE NAMES AND WHATEVER RECOMMENDATION YOU WOULD CHOOSE TO PROVIDE THAT THE FULL COUNCIL KNOW WE TEST CHAIRED WITH A BIG BIG PROJECT IN JANUARY OR FEBRUARY THAT WE WANTED TO GET THIS DONE AND THE COMMITTEE FORMED SO WE CAN GET THIS OUT TO THE PUBLIC AS SOON AS POSSIBLE WE'RE ON TRACK TO GET IT DONE BEFORE THE END OF THIS YEAR AND HAVE THE COMMITTEE MEET MULTIPLE TIMES. OUR GOAL IS TO EDUCATE THE PUBLIC BY THE END OF THE SPRING SO THERE'S ENOUGH TIME FOR US TO GO AROUND THE COU PUT IT OUTE PAPERS EVERYWHERE WE NEED TO SO WE CAN HAVE THIS WELL ROUNDED BECAUSE IT IS A BIG PROJECT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT DOING. MR. CHAIRMAN, IF YOU WOULD AS WE HAVE A COUPLE OF NOMINATIONS YES I WOULD MOVE THAT WE NOMINATE AND FORWARD THE NAMES OF ENTRANTS FROM SAINT HELENA ISLAND WHO REPRESENTS DISTRICT THREE. CAROL ROTH FROM LADY SIMON DISTRICT TWO AND TOM LENNOX FROM HILTON HEAD ISLAND DISTRICT 11 MOVED THAT WE SEND THESE NAMES TO COUNTY COUNCIL FOR APPOINTMENT TO THE TAX ADVISORY COMMITTEE IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE SOUTH CAROLINA SECTION FOUR DASH TEN DASH 320 WE HAVE A MOTION DO WE

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YOU KNOW, I HEARD YOU MENTIONED MARGE CAMPBELL. THAT'S OF THE COMMITTEES WHO ARE THE OTHER TWO BESIDES THE THREE THAT WE'RE TRYING TO NOMINATE CHARLIE WITH MORE IMPORTANCE? YEAH. AND CHARLIE CHARLIE LIVES IN THE TOWN OF BLUFFTON AND DEAN LIVES IN PORT ROYAL OR NORTH OF THE BROAD HERE.

SO THERE'S GOING TO BE THREE MEMBERS FROM NORTH OF THE BROAD THREE MEMBERS FROM SOUTH GROUP AND CHRISTCHURCH WHERE IN CONTACT WITH EVERYBODY. YES SO WE WERE ABLE TO REACH OUT TO THE THREE THE GERMAN PARLIAMENT JUST MENTIONED SO THEY ALL SAID THEY WERE VERY OPEN THIS AND IF IF NOMINATED WOULD SERVE YES ANY OTHER DISCUSSION DO WE HAVE ANY OBJECTION TO THIS NOMINATIONS? NO OBJECTION. THIS WILL MOVE ON TO COUNTY

[9. RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF A RESOLUTION TO ENTER INTO AN INTERGOVERNMENTAL SUPPORT AGREEMENT (IGSA) WITH THE DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE TO SUPPORT OPERATIONS AT THE MARINE CORPS RECRUIT DEPOT PARRIS ISLAND (MCRD PARRIS ISLAND), THE MARINE CORPS AIR STATION (MCAS) County Council Agenda – Beaufort County, SC AND THE NAVAL HOSPITAL BY PROVIDING GENERAL GOVERNMENTAL SERVICES (FISCAL IMPACT: In each and every task order, the County would quote a fee that covers all time and material costs to perform the identified work) - Jared Fralix, ACA Infrastructure]

IDSA IS AN INTER-GOVERNMENTAL SUPPORT AGREEMENT SO VERY SIMILAR TO AN IDEA INTERGOVERNMENTAL AGREEMENT THAT WE WOULD HAVE WITH ANOTHER MUNICIPALITY.

THE ONLY DIFFERENCE IS THIS WOULD SUPPORT AN INSTALLATION A MILITARY INSTALLATION BEING THAT WE HAVE THREE THIS WOULD BE A WAY AND A MECHANISM FOR US TO INTERACT WITH EACH OF THE BASES SHOULD THEY HAVE A SERVICE THAT BASICALLY THEY ARE IN ESSENCE WORKING LIKE A LITTLE MUNICIPALITY EACH AND EVERY ONE OF THEM ON ON ALL THREE BASES.

SO THOSE FUNCTIONS AREN'T NECESSARILY THEIR MISSION CRITICAL FUNCTIONS AND IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE ALREADY PROVIDE THAT SERVICE EITHER DIRECTLY OR THROUGH VIA CONTRACT, THEN THAT'S AN OPPORTUNITY THAT WE CAN HELP THEM AND IT HELPS THEM BY BY EXPEDITING THE PROCESS AND POTENTIALLY COST SAVINGS ON WHAT THE FT SO IN THESE THIS AGREEMENT THIS IS A RESOLUTION THAT WOULD PROVIDE US THE OPPORTUNITY TO ENTER INTO NOT JUST ONE THAT WE HAVE THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT RIGHT NOW BUT OTHERS IN THE FUTURE.

THE ONE THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT RIGHT NOW IS AN AGREEMENT THEY'VE ASKED US TO PUT SOME RIP WRAP ON A COUPLE SHORELINES THAT THEY HAVE TO REPAIR BEFORE HOPEFULLY BEFORE HURRICANE SEASON IS OVER. SO SO THEY DON'T GET DAMAGED ANYMORE IN ANY IF THERE'S ANY FURTHER STORMS THERE'S ALSO SOME OPPORTUNITIES THAT THEY'VE MENTIONED THERE'S SOME SUBSEQUENT ONES ONE BEING SOME CUSTODIAL SERVICES AND SECOND BEING SOME GROUNDS MAINTENANCE OPERATIONS. SO AGAIN STUFF THAT WE DO AND PROVIDE ALREADY WE WOULD WE WOULD PROVIDE A QUOTE OR A FEE TO THEM THEY THEIR OWN INTERNAL COST ESTIMATE OF WHAT THEY THINK THE WORK SHOULD COST THEM AND IF IT FINDS FAVORABLE FOR THEM THEN THEY WOULD PAY US TO PERFORM THAT WORK MUCH LIKE A CONTRACTOR AND WE WOULD USE OUR FORCES TO DO THAT WORK SO WITH THAT I GUESS I'LL TAKE ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE. YES, MA'AM.

WHAT I UNDERSTAND FROM LISTENING THE SAME OPPOSITION THAT THEY DID WITH THE TOWN OF FORT OIL OF THE COUNTY OR WHOEVER IS PROVIDING IT CAN ALSO ANY HANDLING LIKE IF YOU HAVE TO PUT SOMETHING OUT FOR CONTRACT OR OTHER THINGS THERE'S A CERTAIN AMOUNT PERCENTAGE COULD YOU GO OVER THAT ONE IS IT THE COUNTY COULD RECEIVE FOR HANDLING YEAH SO SO IF WE'RE WE'RE WORKING ON THIS SIMILAR TO A CONTRACTOR THERE'S AN OVERHEAD SO FOR INSTANCE IF WE'RE WE PROCURE A SERVICE DON'T NECESSARILY PROVIDE A SERVICE WE CAN WE CAN ASSESS A OVERHEAD RATE TO MANAGE THAT CONTRACT SO WHETHER WE PROVIDE IT IN-HOUSE AGAIN SAME THING THE INTENT IS NOT FOR US TO MAKE A TON OF PROFIT BUT THE INTENT IS FOR US TO COVER OUR COST OR OUR ANY EXTRA ASSOCIATED OVERHEAD COSTS THAT WE CARRY.

THIS IS VERY BENEFICIAL TO THE MILITARY AND IT SAVES MONEY FOR THEM TO TO USE LOCAL ASSETS.

SO YEAH. YES SIR. THANK YOU, SIR.

VERY MY MY MY I LIKE THE IDEA I LIKE THE CONCEPT OF WORKING WITH THE MILITARY INSTALLATIONS HERE. I GUESS MY REAL CONCERN IS ONE OF CURRENTLY WE UNDERSTAFFED SO

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SO THAT IT DOESN'T TAKE AWAY FROM OUR EXISTING WORK AND SCHEDULE OF SERVICES THAT WE ALREADY PROVIDE. BUT IN ADDITION TO THAT'S MY ONLY CONCERN I.

SHARE YOUR SAME CONCERNS YOUR DO WE HAVE A RECOMMENDATION TO MOVE THIS FORWARD? I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO MOVE IT FOR A SECOND THAT SECOND I MEAN RECOMMENDATIONS DO WE HAVE ANY

[10. RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF A RESOLUTION FOR AN ADDENDUM TO A 2020 MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING (MOU) WITH THE TOWN OF HILTON HEAD FOR THE ST. JAMES BAPTIST CHURCH RELOCATION PROJECT (FISCAL IMPACT: As part of the original MOU, both the Town and County deposited $150,000 each, totaling $300,000, into an account to share in the costs to prepare all of the preliminary documentation and studies necessary to secure FAA grant funding for the relocation of the Church and School. To date, there are still sufficient funds in the account for the expected expenses, and no additional funding is required by this Addendum)]

WE HAVE AN EMAIL SO THAT THAT WASN'T NECESSARILY TO DISCARD THAT AND START OVER.

IT STILL APPLIED A LOT OF THE STUFF WAS BASICALLY A LET'S WORK TOGETHER LESS THERE WAS REESTABLISHMENT SOME FUNDING UP TO $300,000 SO 150,000 FROM THE TOWN AND 150,000 FROM THE COUNTY SET ASIDE AN ACCOUNT FOR US TO DO THE DUE DILIGENCE AND PREPARE AN APPLICATION FOR THIS CHURCH FOR THE COUNTY TO MAKE UP THE MIDDLE OF THE RELOCATION OF THE CHURCH TO FHA FOR SO REALLY ALL THIS IS IS A REAFFIRMATION THAT AND AN UPDATE ON THE PROJECT SINCE 2020 SO THREE YEARS AGO WHAT HAS CHANGED THE OF THIS ADDENDUM IS ONE THAT WE IDENTIFY A CONSULTANT YOUR CHURCH PARTNERS THAT WOULD WORK UNDERNEATH CHURCH AND THAT THEY WOULD HELP THE CHURCH IN THE IN THE TOWN AND THE COUNTY HELP CULTIVATE WHAT THE PLAN IS THE CHURCH WOULD LIKE TO SEE AS THEIR NEW BUILDING AND HELP US THE COST ASSOCIATED WITH THAT DOING A COST ESTIMATE SO THAT WE CAN MAKE A FORMAL AND EDUCATED ASK TO FAA SO IT'S ONE ASKING THAT CHURCH PARTNERS BE INVOLVED AND THEN SECONDLY WHAT WE DIDN'T HAVE IN THE EMAIL IN 2020 WAS THE CHURCH SO WE WERE GOING TO MAKE ALL THESE GRAND PLANS BUT IT WAS JUST BETWEEN THE COUNTY AND THE TOWN AND THE PERSON ACTUALLY ARE THE GROUP ACTUALLY GETTING MOVE WASN'T A PART OF THIS SO THIS ADDENDUM ACTUALLY BRINGS THE CHURCH IN FOLD AND BOTH THE CHURCH AND THE TOWN OF HILTON HEAD HAVE ALREADY SIGNED THAT ADDENDUM AS AS DRAFTED SO FAR SO WE WOULD BE THE ONES THAT WOULD BE THE LAST SIGNATURE ON THAT. AND ONE THING TO NOTE JUST REAL QUICK I MENTIONED WE HAD A LOT OF GOOD MEETINGS RECENTLY. WE ACTUALLY HAD A MEETING ON SEPTEMBER 8TH. SO HERE JUST RECENTLY WHERE WE HAD FAA NOT LOCAL FAA BUT FAA ALL THE WAY FROM WASHINGTON, D.C.. MS. GINETTA GRIFFIN WHO IS THE ASSOCIATE ADMINISTRATOR. SO SHE IS THE TOP TOP DOG IN FAA ONLY SECOND UNDER PETE BUTTIGIEG WHO'S OVER US DOTTIE. SO SHE CAME AS AS THE TOP DOG FROM ATLANTA SO MR. PARKS PRESTON HE'S THE AREA MANAGED AREA DISTRICT OFFICE. SO BOTH OF THEM CAME AND

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I REMEMBER THAT WHEN YOU ALL FIGHT OVER SOME THINGS I NEED ONE VOICE FOR THAT IS YEAH.

JARED THIS YOU SAID THE TOWN OF HILTON HEAD THE CHURCH HAS BASICALLY AGREED TO THIS, YOU KNOW, GLOBAL AGREEMENT FOR RELOCATION OF THE STRUCTURE BUT WHERE ARE WE ARE WE BE WHAT THE RECONSTRUCT OF THE NEW BUILDING THAT THIS IS NOT PART OF IT RIGHT? NO, THIS IS THIS IS JUST FOR THE MOVING OF THE EXISTING CHURCH, THE EXISTING SCHOOL.

THAT WOULD BE WHAT THE APPLICATION THAT WE WOULD TOGETHER TO FHA FUNDING WHEN I'M MOVING THAT CHURCH WE'RE NOT MOVING AT CHURCH. THEY'RE MOVING TO A NEW SPACE.

WE'RE GOING BUILD A NEW CHURCH. YES. YES.

I'M SORRY I MISSED THAT. YES. THAT CHURCH WILL WILL NOT BE MOVED THAT CHURCH WILL BE BECOME FHA OR BECOME COUNTY PROPERTY AS FAR AS THE AIRPORT AND THEN THEY WOULD GET A NEW CHURCH BUILT AT A DIFFERENT LOCATION.

THE SCHOOL IS GOING TO BE THE SCHOOL WILL BE CORRECT. YES.

YOU ALL FOR THE CLARIFICATIONS. OKAY. IF MY MEMORY SERVES ME IN THE PAST THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT YOU RELOCATE THE RELOCATION OF THE CHURCH BUT NOT ACTUALLY REMOVING OR REMOVING THE EXISTING STRUCTURE BUT, RELOCATING THE CHURCH TO WHAT'S THE AREA OVER THERE THE THE GOLF COURSE OF THE UNION CEMETERY.

SO WE'RE RELOCATING THE PARISH, RIGHT? THE CHURCH MEMBERS, THE BODY AND BUILDING A NEW STRUCTURE. THE OLD STRUCTURE WILL REMAIN AND WILL BECOME PROPERTY OF THE AIRPORT AND THEN MOVING THE SCHOOL THAT WILL BE LIFTED UP AND RESET.

ALL RIGHT. IN ADDITION TO THAT, WE ALSO HAVE SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT THE COSTS AND THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE NEW SANCTUARY. YES.

WHERE WHERE ARE WE WITH THAT? WHERE'S THE CHURCH? THAT'S WHAT THIS IS.

SO WE WE HAD SOME DATES THAT WE SOME COST FIGURES THAT WE HAD INITIALLY APPLIED.

WE SENT THAT FAA AND THEY PROVIDED US THE RESPONSE AND THE RESPONSE WAS NO, WE'RE ONLY GOING TO APPROVE LIKE FOR LIKE DIDN'T GIVE US ANY MORE CLARITY THAN THAT.

SO FAA AGAIN LIKE I SAID CAME IN SEPTEMBER. THEY STILL DIDN'T REALLY GIVE A LOT MORE CLARITY THAN THAT BUT THEY DID SAY IT IS ABSOLUTELY ELIGIBLE PROJECT WE ARE GOING TO WORK WITH YOU HAND IN HAND TO FACILITATE THIS PROJECT. WE'RE GOING TO SHOW UP TO THE RIBBON CUTTING WHEN YOU MOVE THE CHURCH AND SO YOUR CHURCH PARTNERS THE CONSULTANT THAT'S GOING TO WORK UNDERNEATH THE CHURCH IS GOING TO HELP US THAT COST ESTIMATE SO THEY RECOGNIZE FABRIC AND THAT IS THAT THE EXISTING CHURCH THAT WAS BUILT IN THE SEVENTIES THE COST REBUILD THAT SAME STRUCTURE WILL COST MORE THAN THE VALUE OF THE CHURCH AS IT IS TODAY.

SO THERE IS A RECOGNITION BY FAA THAT THE COST OF CONSTRUCTION MORE BUT THEY WANT TO MAKE SURE IT'S A SIMILAR SIZED CHURCH YOU'RE NOT GOING FROM 200 SEATS TO 500 SEATS. SO THANK YOU FOR HAVING THE OBJECTION.

NO THIS WILL MOVE FORWARD WITH NO OBJECTION AND THE STEWARD BEFORE YOU MOVE ON I JUST WANT TO THANK YOU FOR WORKING THIS UP. IT'S BEEN A LONG PROCESS AND I KNOW THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF HEATED CONVERSATION ETC. SO I WOULD JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU AND TO HAVE TOP DOGS AT BOTH LEVEL REGIONAL AND NATIONAL COME DOWN.

THAT'S IMPRESSIVE. WELL AND THAT THAT WASN'T JUST ME THAT WAS THE TEAM AND THIS THING SO EVERYBODY'S BEEN WORKING TOGETHER UNTIL THE TEAM HAS DONE A GOOD JOB ABSOLUTELY.

[11. RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF AN ORDINANCE AUTHORIZING THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR TO EXECUTE ANY AND ALL DOCUMENTS NECESSARY TO ACCEPT RIGHT OF WAY ON DIANAH’S DRIVE - Jared Fralix, ACA Infrastructure]

ANY DISCUSSION THIS WILL MOVE FORWARD. NO OBJECTION.

[12. RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF CONTRACT AWARD TO FIRST CONSTRUCTION MANAGEMENT FOR IFB #082423E SPANISH MOSS TRAIL PORT ROYAL EXTENSION (FISCAL IMPACT: $977,253.24 with funding for this project will be Rail Trail account # 48060011-54435 with a balance of $$670,437.00 and TAG account # 2342001T-54500 with a balance of $5,643,326.00) - Eric Claussen, Director of Engineering]

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SO THE WE THIS WAS THE LOWEST ACCEPTABLE BID WAS FIRST CONSTRUCTION MANAGEMENT THERE WAS ANOTHER CONTRACTOR WHO WHO HAD SUBMITTED WHICH WHO WAS ACTUALLY LOW BID THERE NOT A DOT APPROVED CONTRACTOR AS WELL AS DID NOT PROVIDE ALL SUBCONTRACTORS NECESSARY TO BE ABLE TO COMPLETE ALL THE WORK PERFECT WE HAVE A MOTION FOR THIS.

I'M LIKE I KNEW IT WAS COMING MISS HOWARD. REMEMBER THAT GOLF CARTS IN BLUFFTON AND I DID TOO DO WE HAVE ANY DISCUSSION HERE? I JUST HAVEN'T COME IN, PLEASE.

YES, MA'AM. I APPRECIATE YOU PUT THE FISCAL IMPACT.

YOU PUT THE ACCOUNT NUMBER AND THE BALANCE LOST IN THE ACCOUNT.

THAT MEANS I DON'T HAVE TO GO DIG FOR IT. YES, IT WAS.

I TRIED PUT THE RIGHT NUMBER IN THERE. YES.

ANY OBJECTION NUMBER 12 THIS WILL MOVE FORWARD WITH NO OBJECTION.

[13. RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING THE INTERIM ADMINISTRATOR TO ENTER INTO A MOA BETWEEN BEAUFORT COUNTY AND THE CITY OF BEAUFORT TO EXPLORE THE FEASIBILITY OF CO-LOCATING MUNICIPAL FIRE SERVICE AND COUNTY EMS (FISCAL IMPACT: Funds in the amount of $25,000+/- are allocated to the building of a new EMS station in the CIP budget Account #10401230-54420. The fund balance is $1.5 Million) - Hank Amundson, Special Assistant to the County Administrator]

SO I HAVE A MOTION I MAKE MOTION SECOND PLEASE I'LL SECOND THIS THANK YOU ANY OTHER DISCUSSION THIS WILL MOVE FORWARD WITH OBJECTION THANK YOU.

[14. RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF CONTRACT AWARD TO BEAUFORT CONSTRUCTION OF SC, LLC FOR IFB #052523 PORT ROYAL PUBLIC LIBRARY CONSTRUCTION SERVICES (FISCAL IMPACT: $480,000.00 from funding source 26030011-54420 - Library Impact Fees. Current account balance is $606,400) - Eric Larson, Capital Projects]

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SIR. GOOD AFTERNOON. AS HAS ALREADY BEEN STATED, THIS IS AN AWARD OF A CONSTRUCTION CONTRACT BEFORE CONSTRUCTION WE'RE ASKING FOR $480,000 FOR THE CONSTRUCTION BUDGET. THERE'S ONE OTHER IMAGE IF YOU WANT TO THROW THAT ONE UP THAT MIGHT BE A LITTLE PRETTIER IT'S KIND OF A COMPUTERIZED DIMENSIONAL IMAGE OF THE INTERIOR OF THE SPACE AFTERWARDS IT'S UP.

I'LL LEAVE THAT ON THE SCREEN WHILE I'M TALKING. IT'S APPROXIMATELY 200 SQUARE FEET. IT'S IN THE EXISTING BUILDING ON PORT PARRIS AVENUE.

THIS IS INTERIOR RENOVATIONS ARE NOT FIT FOR THE LIBRARY AND AS I MENTIONED BEFORE WE HAD WE'RE ASKING FOR FOR 80 EXCUSE ME THE BID IS FOR 45 307 WE'RE ASKING FOR THE ADDITIONAL CONTINGENCY TO COVER ANY POTENTIAL ORDERS RE RE MODELS ARE USUALLY COMPLICATED COMPARED TO NEW CONSTRUCTION SO WE ALWAYS WANT TO KEEP A LITTLE CONTINGENCY THE BUDGET IN CASE WE HAVE CHANGE ORDERS FOR THAT IT WAS THERE WAS ONLY THE ONE BID WE DID REVIEW THE BID CAREFULLY WITH THE DESIGN WITH MADELINE PAST AND SMITH TO MAKE SURE THAT THE PRICE WAS AND REASONABLE AND THAT WE WERE COMFORTABLE WITH THE NUMBERS THAT THEY WERE PROVIDING AND THAT WE COMPLETED THAT AND WE'RE FINE WITH THAT. SO THE RECOMMENDATION THIS COMES AT A LIBRARY IMPACT EXCUSE ME AND THE RECOMMENDATION IS TO HIRE BEFORE FOR CONSTRUCTION IN THE AMOUNT OF 445 THREE OF SEVEN WITH THIS TABLET CONTINGENCY OF TWO FOR EIGHT ON THE QUESTION THREE QUESTION MR. LOCKSLEY YEAH, I WANTED TO THANK MR. QUINN AND MR. TRUMP FOR HAVING THE VISION ON THIS AND I'D LIKE TO GO WE HAVE A MOTION SECOND, SECOND, SECOND AND I JUST WANT TO REITERATE THAT IT IS COMING FROM THE LIBRARY IMPACT FEES AND THAT WAS A BIG DISCUSSION FOR US THE PAST YEAR AND A HALF ABOUT GETTING THOSE ALL SIGNED. SO I JUST WANTED TO POINT THAT OUT THAT THE TAXPAYER MONEY IS BEING USED AND IT IS PUTTING TO USE JUST LIKE WE DID IN BLUFFTON AND WE'RE DOING ANOTHER ONE HERE AND AS WE LOOK FORWARD TO ANOTHER LIBRARY COMING IN THE FUTURE AS WELL.

YES SIR YEAH IT'S VERY GOOD THAT WE ARE WE ARE MOVING TO THE POINT WHERE WE'RE GETTING READY TO BUILD LIBRARY AND IN THE POORER AREA AND ERIC MIGHT NOT BE ABLE TO ANSWER THIS SO CHUCK MIGHT HAVE TO COME IN AND SO I JUST WANT TO FOR THE SAKE OF THE PUBLIC IN THIS CONCERT GIVE US AN UPDATE, IF YOU WILL, WHERE WE ARE WITH THE CIP FEASIBILITY, THE BURTON WELLS LIBRARY WHICH IS BEING MIXED. WELL GOOD AFTERNOON. SO THE BURTON WELLS COMPLEX SITS ON PROPERTY THAT WAS DONATED FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.

THERE WAS AN OLD WELL NETWORK THAT'S WHY THEY CALL IT BURTON WELLS AND THERE ARE DEED RESTRICTIONS THAT SAY THAT IT HAS TO FOR RECREATION ONLY ORIGINALLY WE DISCUSSED THAT THAT PERHAPS COULD BE A PLACE TO BUILD A LIBRARY BUT WHEN WE GOT INTO THE DEFINITION OF RECREATION LIBRARIES ALTHOUGH ALTHOUGH IT HAS A RECREATIONAL ELEMENT IT WAS DETERMINED BASED ON THOSE DEED DID RESTRICTIONS THAT A PHYSICAL LIBRARY COULD NOT BE BUILT ON THAT PROPERTY. SO WHERE WE ARE RIGHT NOW WITHIN THAT ARE HUNDRED DISTRICT IMPACT FEET AREA WE HAVE ABOUT 690,000. I THINK IT'S CLOSE TO THAT AND THAT IS NOT ENOUGH MONEY TO BUY A PIECE OF PROPERTY AND BUILD A LIBRARY ANYWHERE IN THE COUNTY THIS PARTICULAR LIBRARY OPPORTUNITY CAME UP WE ALREADY OWNED THE BUILDING A LOT OF BANG FOR THE BUCK. A LOT OF PEOPLE GET TO IT BY WALKING, RIDING GOLF CARTS, WHAT HAVE YOU. SO WE BROUGHT THIS PROJECT FORWARD SO THAT WE CAN SUPPLY WHAT WE CAN AND FILL THE VOID THE NEED IN THAT AH 100 AREA AND WE ARE CURRENTLY LOOKING FOR FUNDING OPPORTUNITIES AND A SITE FOR THAT OTHER LIBRARY THE I'M GOING TO CALL IT THE BURTON WELLS AREA I THINK IT'S HIGHWAY 17 TO LAUREL BAY OUT TO HIGHWAY 21 ALL THE WAY TO THE BROAD RIVER. SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT RIGHT NOW AS WE GO YEAR YEAR INTO OUR CIP BUDGETS WE'RE LOOKING FOR THE THE FUNDING FOR A PIECE OF LAND AND THEN WE WOULD GET INTO THE DESIGN BASED ON THE NEEDS ONCE WE SECURE THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY AND THEN WE WOULD LOOK FOR A BOND OR SOMETHING TO ACTUALLY CONSTRUCT THAT LIBRARY.

SO THAT'S WHERE WE'RE AT WITH IT. OKAY.

I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE KEEP IT ON THE RADAR. YES, ABSOLUTELY.

THANK YOU. ERIC, IS THERE ANY IDEA WHY WE ONLY GOT ONE BID FOR THIS AND

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SO IT'S NOT FROM LACK OF TRYING THINK IT'S IT'S IT'S THE ECONOMY IT'S EVERYBODY'S BUSY IT'S ALL IT'S A SUPPLY AND DEMAND THING. WE HAVE A DEMAND AND THERE'S ENOUGH SUPPLY TO COVER EVERYBODY BUT WE ARE GETTING ONE BID BEFORE CONSTRUCTION IS A IS A LOCAL FIRM LOCAL COMPANY AND OTHER REPUTABLE AND THEY'VE DONE SEVERAL SUCCESSFUL WITH US IN THE PAST AND AS WE SAID WHEN WE ONLY HAD ONE WE DID MAKE SURE THAT WE WEREN'T GETTING AN A, WE WEREN'T GETTING A PRICE. IT WAS OVERINFLATED DUE TO LACK COMPETITION. WE WERE COMFORTABLE WITH WHAT WE GOT.

I THINK YOU KNOW I THINK WE TALKED ABOUT THAT A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO THAT WE'RE STARTING TO GET LESS BIDS BECAUSE THERE'S JUST SO MUCH WORK TO BE DONE.

THERE'S ONLY SO MANY CREWS TO GO AROUND. CAN WE MOVE THIS FORWARD?

[15. RECOMMEND APPROVAL FOR THE INTERIM ADMINISTRATOR TO EXECUTE A CONTRACT CHANGE ORDER FOR RENOVATION AND EXPANSION OF THE BLUFFTON TOWNSHIP FIRE DISTRICT EMS/FIRE STATION #34 ON WILLIAM POPE AVE WHICH SERVES SUN CITY (FISCAL IMPACT: $101,793.00 CIP FUND) - Eric Larson, Capital Projects]

WE HAVE SOME FUNDS STILL LEFT IN OUR CONTINGENCY SO THAT'S WHY YOU SEE THE FISCAL IMPACT ONLY BEING HUNDRED AND 1000 BECAUSE THIS WE HAVE WE HAVE NEARLY 93 STILL LEFT IN OUR CONTINGENCY BUT THIS CHANGE ORDER TIPS THE SCALE TO THE NEED TO COME BACK TO YOU AND ASK FOR A CHANGE. THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND HERE FOR THE SAKE OF TIME I'LL EVERYTHING BUT THE PROJECT'S BEEN ONGOING SINCE JANUARY 2020 TO WE HAVE HAD THREE CHANGE ORDERS TO DATE THAT EQUAL RIGHT $20,000 SO FAR THIS CHANGE ORDER INCLUDES A LONG LITANY OF THINGS AS YOU SEE IN THE DRAFT DOCUMENTS SOME OF THEM ARE ON TRAINING OWNER DIRECTED CHANGES WE CHANGE THE INTERIOR DESIGN OF THE CEILING IN THE NEW SECTION FROM A DROP CEILING VERY LOW HANGING DROP CEILING TO GOING UP TO A HIGHER CEILING THAT WAS SHEETROCK AND FINISHED LIKE YOU PROBABLY HAVE IN YOUR HOME WE ALSO ADDED THE THE REPLACEMENT OF THE EXISTING ROOF THE EXISTING PART OF THE BUILDING AND THE EXTERIOR PAINTING OF THAT BUILDING THAT SO IT MATCHES THE NEW CONSTRUCTION WE'VE ALSO TERMITE DAMAGE WE'VE HAD TROUBLE WITH ELECTRIC EXCUSE UTILITIES SO THERE'S SOME CHANGES FOR SANITARY CONNECTIONS WATER CONNECTIONS AND ELECTRICAL CHANGES THAT TO BE MADE TO THE DRAWINGS DUE TO THE ELECTRICAL SERVICE THAT WAS ABLE TO BE PROVIDED TO US WE HAD ADDITIONAL SITE IMPROVEMENTS AS WE GOT INTO IT THERE WAS A DECISION NEEDED AN EXTRA SIDEWALK TO GET TO THIS DOOR THAT SORT OF THING AND THEN THERE'S SOME DAMAGE AND WE WILL GET REIMBURSED FOR THIS.

BUT THERE'S BEEN SOME DAMAGE TO THE NEW BY A SUBCONTRACTOR THAT IS NOT RELATED TO THIS PROJECT AND WE WERE HAVING THAT REPAIRED BUT WE WILL BE SEEKING REIMBURSEMENT THAT PART.

SO THAT'S INCLUDED IN THERE BUT IT'S A VERY SMALL AMOUNT. ONE THING I DO WANT TO POINT OUT TO YOU BEFORE I OPEN UP FOR QUESTIONS AGAIN I'M NOT GOING TO READ EVERYTHING IN DETAIL.

THERE IS A DRAFT CHANGE A DOCUMENT G10701 YOU PROBABLY SEE THAT IN THE PACKET THERE IS A ITEM THE NUMBER EIGHT ON THE SECOND PAGE OF THAT DOCUMENT THAT WILL BE STRICKEN FROM THE FINAL VERSION AND IT'S A UNINTENTIONAL TYPO THAT WAS LEFT IN THERE BUT THAT IS SOMETHING WE'VE NEGOTIATED OUT OF THIS CHANGE ORDER. WE WILL NOT BE PAYING THAT 21,000 THE NUMBERS ARE IN THIS DOCUMENT ARE ALL CORRECT. IT WAS JUST THAT PARAGRAPH LEFT OUT SO I WANT MAKE THAT MAKE SURE THAT THAT THAT CHANGE WAS MADE CLEAR THE FINAL VERSION WILL NOT INCLUDE THAT YEAH AND IT'S HIGHLIGHTED AND SHOWN THERE ON THE SCREEN FOR YOU AT THIS POINT RATHER THAN TRYING TO GO OVER THIS IN THE 68 PAGE DETAIL THAT'S ATTACHED TO THIS, I'LL JUST OPEN UP FOR QUESTIONS ,TRY TO ANSWER TO THE BEST OF MY ABILITY TO SOLVE ONE PROBLEM REAL QUICKLY, THE BIGGEST THING IN HERE I BELIEVE WE HAVE END DATE YES THAT IS

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WE HAVE COME TO TERMS WITH THE CONTRACTOR TO COMPLETE THIS PROJECT BY JANUARY.

I'VE LOST IT NOW HERE LET ME FLIP TO IT SO THAT'S WHERE WE WERE 18TH.

WAS IT A DEFINITIVE COMPLETION DATE? YES.

THIS IS NOT THE RIGHT ON THE SCREEN RIGHT? YEAH.

THE CORRECT DATE WHERE THAT WHERE IT SAYS DECEMBER 27TH THAT ACTUALLY IS JANUARY 19.

CORRECT. NEXT YEAR I AND I APOLOGIZE THERE WAS A LOT OF BACK AND FORTH WITH ITERATIONS OF THIS DRAFT ON FRIDAY AFTERNOON PREPAREDNESS PACKET AND FALSE ALARM AND WE GOT THE WRONG VERSION IN MANGO GOING TO BE THERE FOR THAT JAMES ON JANUARY 18TH IS THE COMPLETION WHAT NUMBERS WHAT DATES ARE CORRECT ON THE SCREEN OCTOBER 12TH IS OUR THERE'S TWO PHASES PHASE ONE IS THE NEW CONSTRUCTION PHASE TWO WE MOVED THE FIRE DEPARTMENT INTO NEW PHASE AND THEN WE REMODEL THE OLD SECTION WHICH IS PHASE TWO.

SO WE ARE INTENDING TO BE DONE WITH PHASE ONE JUST IN A FEW WEEKS FROM NOW AND WE'LL MOVE THE DEPARTMENT OVER OVER THE WEEKEND INTO THE NEW PHASE AND START RENOVATIONS AND THOSE RENOVATIONS BE DONE BY JANUARY 19TH. AND YOU SEE THERE HAS BEEN SOME LANGUAGE TO THIS IN THE EVENT THAT THAT HAS NOT HAPPENED. SO WE'RE WE'RE HOLDING THE CONTRACTORS FEET TO THE FIRE TO MAKE SURE IT MEETS THIS DEADLINE.

ON THAT HAPPY NOTE, DO WE HAVE A MOTION SO MOVED AND I'LL TAKE IT ANY OBJECTION?

[16. RECOMMEND APPROVAL TO PURCHASE A 2023 PETERBILT 547 VACUUM TRUCK (FISCAL IMPACT: a quote was provided from AQUP from Sourcewell in the amount of $570,000 to come from the Stormwater account with a balance of $644,000) – Neil Desai, Public Works Director]

NUMBER 16 WE HAVE THREE MORE. WE WILL FLY THROUGH THESE THREE ALL QUITE THEY'RE PRETTY SELF-EXPLANATORY RECOMMEND APPROVAL TO PURCHASE A 23 PETERBILT 547 VACUUM TRUCK THE THINGS COMING OUT OF STORM WATER BALANCE RIGHT IT'S COMING OUT OF STORMWATER ACCOUNT IT'S 570,000 WHERE WE ABLE TO GET A PHOTO OF IT QUICKLY WE'LL THROW THAT UP THERE AND THEN I WILL ENTERTAIN IN MOTION WHILE SHE IS PULLING THAT UP I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE IT AND MOVE IT FORWARD. SECOND IT'S NOT FANTASTIC. GIVE HER JUST 1/2.

YEAH YOU CAN AND THIS THIS IS ABOUT WHAT WE'RE GOING TO BE PURCHASING A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO WHEN WE HAD SOME OF THESE MEETINGS WE THREW UP SOME THE THINGS THAT WE WERE ACTUALLY PURCHASING SO THE PUBLIC CAN SEE IT. A LOT OF PEOPLE COME BACK SAYING THEY SAW IT AND THEY LOOKED AT IT AND HAD NO CLUE WHAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT TO WE IT. SO I JUST WANT TO THANK THE STAFF FOR ACTUALLY YOU KNOW THIS STUFF UP AT THEIR REQUEST. I KNOW IT'S TEDIOUS BUT THE PUBLIC DOES NOTICE AND I IT CAN THIS MOVE FORWARD WITH NO OBJECTION YES THIS WILL MOVE FORWARD WITH NO OBJECTION AS

[17. RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF AN ORDINANCE AUTHORIZING THE INTERIM COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR TO ENTER INTO A LEASE AGREEMENT FOR REAL PROPERTY LOCATED AT 30 HUNTER ROAD WITH EDISON FOARD, INC. (FISCAL IMPACT: Hilton Head Island Airport will receive income generated through lease revenue --Tenant shall pay $1,390.00 for office space (814 square feet x $20.50/12) and $1,698 for warehouse space (1,406 square feet x $14.50/12) in monthly base rental payments for premises located at 30 Hunter Rd. These lease rates are in accordance with current Beaufort County lease policies) - Jon Rembold, Airports Director]

GOOD AFTERNOON. THANK FOR ENTERTAINING THIS. EDISON FORD IS A CONTRACTOR WHO WE JUST AWARDED THE CONTRACT FOR THE FIRST PHASE OF THE TERMINAL BUILDING AT HILTON HEAD ISLAND AIRPORT. THIS BUILDING IS ONE THAT WE PURCHASED A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO FOR THIS OVERALL PROJECT AT THE AIRPORT AND IT HAS TO BE LOCATED IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO THE TERMINAL. IT'S A PERFECT PLACE FOR THE CONTRACTOR PLENTY OF SPACE FOR AND OPERATE WITH ADMINISTRATIVE SPACE AND SOME SECURE WAREHOUSE SPACE THE BACK WHICH IS BENEFICIAL AND IT ENDS UP GENERATING REVENUE FOR THE AIRPORT I ENTERTAIN A MOTION AND I MOTION YES SIR YOU MAKE YOU SECOND THANK YOU YES SIR CAN THANK YOU MR. MACALLAN ANY OBJECTION OR QUESTIONS THIS THIS WILL MOVE FORWARD NO OBJECTION NUMBER 18 RECOMMEND

[18. RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF AN ORDINANCE AUTHORIZING THE INTERIM COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR TO ENTER INTO A LEASE AGREEMENT FOR REAL PROPERTY LOCATED AT 39 AIRPORT CIRCLE WITH HIGH TIDE AVIATION SCENIC TOURS (FISCAL IMPACT: Beaufort Executive Airport will receive income generated through fuel sales, the airport’s standard 3% operating agreement, and lease revenue --Tenant shall pay $231.00 (140 square feet x $19.80/12) in monthly base rental payments for premises located at the Beaufort Executive Airport terminal. These lease rates are in accordance with current Beaufort County lease policies) - Jon Rembold, Airports Director]

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I'M REALLY BAD WITH NAMES ANYBODY CAN TELL YOU ALL THAT IF THERE IS GREAT AND ALWAYS PUTS IN THERE FOR ME THE NAMES WHO'S COMING OUT SO I CAN KEEP THINGS FOR EVERYONE.

I APPRECIATE YOU GUYS COMING TODAY AND. THIS MEETING IS ADJOURNED.

THANK YOU. HAVE NEVER

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.