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CAPTIONING[1. Call to Order]
PROVIDED BY BUFORT COUNTY.MORNING AND WELCOME TO THE PUBLIC PLANNING COMMITTEE MEETING OF SEPTEMBER 14TH.
KIM, ARE WE IN COMPLIANCE WITH FOIA? YES.
[3. Adoption of the Agenda]
UH, SUGGESTIONS, ADOPT, OR, UH, CHANGES TO THE, UH, AGENDA? IF NOT, IS THERE A MOTION? ADJO IS THERE ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND AND I WILL VOTE OPPOSED BECAUSE I HAVE A PROCEDURAL QUESTION ABOUT THE ADDITION, THE REVISED AGENDA, VERY MUCH APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES FOR AUGUST 10TH, 2023.ARE THERE ANY ADDITIONS, DELETIONS, OBJECTIONS? KIM, YOU MISSPELLED MY NAME BEFORE ITEM EIGHT.
UH, AT THE END OF ITEM EIGHT, YOU PUT A D IN THE MIDDLE.
THAT HAPPENS A LOT IN THE SOUTH
OTHER THAN THAT, I HAVE NO OBJECTION AND MOVE ADOPTION AS AS AMENDED.
IS THERE A SECOND? THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.
[5. Appearance by Citizens]
APPEARANCE BY CITIZENS.KIM, DO WE HAVE ANYBODY SIGNED UP TO SPEAK ON ITEMS UNRELATED TO THE AGENDA TODAY? UNRELATED? NO.
WE HAVE FIVE REQUESTS FOR APPEARANCE.
LET ME ASK THE QUESTION OF THOSE WHO HAVE SIGNED UP.
DO YOU WANT TO SPEAK NOW OR WAIT UNTIL WE TOUCH ON THE SUBJECT THAT YOU'RE GOING TO BE SPEAKING TO? NONE.
[6A. Presentation and Discussion on the Creation of Hilton Head Island District Plans and Land Management Ordinance – Missy Luick, Director of Planning]
PRESENTATION AND DISCUSSION ON THE CREATION OF THE HILTON HEAD ISLAND DISTRICT PLANS AND LAND MANAGEMENT ORDINANCE.SEE EACH ONE OF US IN THE PUBLIC PLANNING COMMITTEE, UM, HAVE REVIEWED WHAT YOU HAVE PRESENTED AND WE ARE IMPRESSED, IF NOT MORE THAN IMPRESSED WITH THE WORK THAT YOU AND STAFF HAVE PREPARED.
WHAT OTHER STAFF IS HERE TODAY THAT YOU HAVE RELIED ON? I'D LIKE TO RECOGNIZE THEM IF THEY'RE HERE.
UM, SHAY FERRARA IS THE PRINCIPAL PLANNER AND SHE'S THE PROJECT MANAGER FOR THE DISTRICT PLANNING EFFORT.
RICH EDWARDS IS OUR COMMUNITY PLANNING MANAGER WHO'S, UM, IN CHARGE OF THE COMMUNITY PLANNING SECTION.
ZENOSS MORRIS IS THE DIRECTOR OF BUILT ENVIRONMENT.
HE'S PART OF THE DISTRICT PLANNING TEAM.
OF COURSE, SEAN COLON IS THE ASSISTANT IS INVOLVED ALSO.
UM, AND, UH, WE ALSO HAVE KYLE MAY, UM, HE'S AN ASSOCIATE PRINCIPAL FROM M K S K, PART OF OUR CONSULTANT TEAM THAT'S HELPING US WHO IS ALSO HERE TODAY.
AND THE EFFORTS ON THE PART OF ALL THE TEAM.
KIM, CAN YOU, UM, MINIMIZE THE, THE TIMER PLEASE? OOPS.
UM, SO I'M JUST GONNA GIVE A BRIEF, UH, UPDATE ON WHERE WE ARE OVERALL WITH DISTRICT PLANNING BEFORE WE DIVE INTO THE BRIDGE TO BEACH, UM, DISCUSSION TODAY.
UM, WE HAVE BEEN MEETING WITH THE PUBLIC PLANNING COMMITTEE, UM, OVER A SERIES OF MONTHS TO, UM, GO THROUGH THIS, THIS ENTIRE PROCESS.
UM, WE PRESENTED THE DISTRICT MAP SERIES BACK IN APRIL, UM, THE MARSH'S DISTRICT PLAN DRAFT IN JULY, UM, ALONG WITH THE SERIES OF MAPS THAT PROVIDE THE GROWTH, UH, CONSERVATION AND GROWTH FRAMEWORK, UH, DISTRICT MAPS.
AND, UM, THEN LAST MONTH, UH, WE DISCUSSED PRIORITIZATION OF THE REMAINING DISTRICTS FOR, UM, PLANNING PURPOSES AND FOR DELIVERY TO THE PUBLIC PLANNING COMMITTEE.
UM, AND, AND THIS IS THE SEQUENCING AND ORDER.
UM, AND OF COURSE, TODAY WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA BE PRESENTING ITEM THREE, BRIDGE TO BEACH.
BUT, UM, THIS IS THE PRIORITIZATION THAT WE ARE WORKING TO DELIVER FOR REVIEW BY THE PUBLIC PLANNING COMMITTEE.
UM, WE ALSO HAVE A COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT STRATEGY THAT'S BEEN IDENTIFIED FOR, UM, THE, THE DELIVERY, BOTH OF THE, THE PLAN OR THE CONCEPTS, AND THEN HOW WE'RE GOING TO COMMUNICATE AND RECEIVE FEEDBACK ON THOSE BY THE COMMUNITY, BOTH THROUGH THE PUBLIC PROCESS HERE WITH ITS DELIVERY TO PUBLIC PLANNING COMMITTEE.
BUT WE ENVISION COMMUNITY SURVEYS, UM, TO FOLLOW THE DELIVERY OF THE DRAFT CONCEPTS.
UM, AND WE'RE STILL WORKING TO LAUNCH THE MARSHES SURVEY, BUT THAT SHOULD COME OUT THIS MONTH.
UM, BUT THE SEQUENCING OF, UH, THE DELIVERY AND THEN THE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT SURVEY, UM, IS UP ON THE SCREEN HERE.
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UH, WE ALSO WILL HAVE, UH, COMMUNITY MEETINGS IN EACH OF THE DISTRICTS ARE PLANNED.WE'RE PLANNING STAKEHOLDER MEETINGS AS WELL.
AND OF COURSE, ONCE THESE ARE READY TO ROLL OUT FOR THE PUBLIC ADOPTION PROCESS, THERE WILL BE A SERIES OF PUBLIC MEETINGS, UH, THAT WE ANTICIPATE, UM, AT THAT TIME.
MR. MAY I JUST JUMP IN AND ASK YOU A QUICK QUESTION ON THAT? MM-HMM.
HAS THAT HAPPENED WITH THOSE THAT HAVE BEEN PRESENTED ALREADY? WE HAVE NOT DONE, UM, THE COMMUNITY SURVEYS AND COMMUNITY MEETINGS HAVE NOT YET HAPPENED.
WE ARE, UH, WORKING ON, UH, THE FINAL TOUCHES ON THE MARSH'S COMMUNITY SURVEY RIGHT NOW, AND THAT SHOULD BE LAUNCHED THIS MONTH.
AND WE'RE WORKING ON PLANNING SOME OF THOSE COMMUNITY MEETING STRUCTURES.
UM, BUT IT'S OUR INTENT TO HAVE COMMUNITY MEETINGS IN EACH OF THE DISTRICTS OR TO MID ISLAND.
UM, MID ISLAND DID HAVE, UH, THOSE COMMUNITY MEETINGS.
OH, THAT'S COMPLETED THERE? YES.
I, I THINK WE DISCUSSED BEFORE, WHEN THOSE COMMUNITY MEETINGS ARE SCHEDULED TO MAKE SURE THERE MAY BE DIFFERENT TIMES OF DAY OR DIFFERENT DAYS.
'CAUSE WE HAVE FOLKS THAT WORK ON VARIOUS SCHEDULES.
SO I, I KNOW YOU'RE STILL TRYING TO WORK TOGETHER ON THAT PLAN, BUT PUT A NOTE IN THERE ABOUT THAT AS WELL.
SO, UM, BEFORE, UM, I TURN THIS OVER TO KYLE, WHO'S GOING TO, UM, LEAD SOME OF THE DISCUSSION ON, UH, THE BRIDGE TO BEACH AND THE MASTER PLANNING PROCESS.
UM, WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR TODAY FROM, UH, P P C IS MORE OF THAT DIRECTION SETTING.
ARE THE CONCEPTS THAT ARE, UM, GOING TO BE DELIVERED TODAY, MOVING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION FOR THE NEW VISION FOR THIS DISTRICT? UM, ARE, SO WE'RE JUST LOOKING FOR THAT DIRECTION SETTING.
UM, ARE WE ON TRACK WITH THIS VISION THAT, THAT WILL BE PRESENTED? AND WITH THAT, I'M GONNA TURN IT OVER TO KYLE.
AND, UH, BEFORE WE GET STARTED, UH, KYLE MAY, ASSOCIATE PRINCIPAL, M K S K.
IT'S REALLY GREAT TO SEE ALL OF YOU AGAIN, AND EVERYONE HERE IN THE ROOM AS WELL.
UM, VERY EXCITED TO HAVE THIS CONVERSATION WITH YOU ALL TODAY.
UH, THIS IS AN INTERESTING OPPORTUNITY I THINK THAT THIS PARTICULAR DISTRICT PRESENTS.
BUT BEFORE WE GET INTO THAT, I, I DID JUST WANNA GIVE A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND ON THE BROADER PROJECT AT WORK, WHICH IS A, UH, UH, UM, UH, YOU KNOW, KIND OF A MOMENT IN TIME ENDEAVOR, WHAT WE'RE, WE'RE LAUNCHING HERE, UH, WITH THIS PROJECT.
UH, YOU KNOW, WE USE THIS TERM MASTER PLAN A LOT, BUT IT'S THIS REALLY COLLECTIVE THOUGHT ABOUT THE FUTURE OF THE ISLAND.
ITS DISTRICT, ITS PLACES, ITS NEIGHBORHOODS, ITS PEOPLE.
ULTIMATELY ITS COMMUNITY AS WELL.
WHAT WE WANTED TO SPEAK TO, UH, IN THIS DISCUSSION, REALLY THREE KEY PARTS.
ONE THAT PURPOSE, THE INTENDED OUTCOMES FROM THIS BROADER WORK.
WANTED TO ZOOM IN AND YOU GUYS KNOW WHAT THIS WORK, WE'RE ALWAYS ZOOMING IN, ZOOMING OUT, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? THAT'S KIND OF THE, UH, THAT'S KINDA THE THEME FOR, FOR PROJECTS LIKE THIS.
BUT WE WANNA ZOOM IN ON, UH, ONE DISTRICT IN PARTICULAR, THIS BRIDGE TO BEACH DISTRICT, WHICH I WILL DEFINE, PROVIDE CONTEXT FOR AS WE DISCUSS.
TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT WE'VE LEARNED ABOUT THAT GEOGRAPHY, UH, BUT SPEND A LOT OF TIME ON THE HIGH LEVEL VISION.
UH, WHERE DO WE THINK THIS AREA COULD GO IN THE FUTURE? UH, AND WHY DOES IT PRESENT SUCH A, UM, A UNIQUE OPPORTUNITY FOR YOU ALL AS LEADERS AND FOR THE ISLAND, UH, OVERALL.
AND DEFINITELY WOULD LIKE TO TALK ABOUT THOSE CRITICAL NEXT STEPS.
MISSY ALLUDED TO SEVERAL OF THOSE WITHIN THE CONTEXT OF OUR FORTHCOMING DISTRICTS, BUT ALSO WITHIN THE, UH, THE LARGER PROJECT AT HAND AS WELL.
UH, ZENOS IS GONNA JOIN ME HERE IN A COUPLE KEY MOMENTS AND MISSY WILL AS WELL TO HELP, UM, HELP DEFINE, UH, UH, THIS, THIS WORK.
UM, SO YOU, WELL, I'VE SEEN MANY OF THESE SLIDES BEFORE.
UH, I DON'T HAVE TO TO TELL YOU.
THIS IS AN IMPORTANT MOMENT IN TIME FOR A LOT OF REASONS, UH, FOR THE ISLAND.
UM, SOME PRESSURES THAT ARE OUT THERE, A LOT OF FAST MOVING CHANGES.
UM, BUT IT'S ALSO A REALLY BIG OPPORTUNITY AT THIS, AT THIS PARTICULAR MOMENT TO START TO DIRECT AND SHAPE SOME OF THE FUTURE INTEREST AND INVESTMENT THAT MAY INCUR, UH, UH, ON THIS ISLAND.
BUT IN ORDER TO DO THAT, WE KINDA HAVE TO BE READY.
YOU KNOW, IT'S A LOT OF WHAT WE'RE DOING IN, IN THIS WORK, IF YOU REALLY BOIL IT DOWN, IT'S ABOUT CRAFTING THAT INITIAL ARGUMENT.
IT'S ABOUT PREPARING A PLAN THAT PREPARES YOU ALL AS LEADERS, UH, AND ARTICULATES THE COMMUNITY'S VISION AND NEEDS INTO A SERIES OF HIGH LEVEL AND EVENTUALLY LOW LEVEL, UH, IMPLEMENTATION STEPS TO MOVE FORWARD AND TO GET YOU ALL WHAT YOU WANTED, YOU KNOW, OUT OF THIS, OUT OF THIS SET OF, UH, OPPORTUNITIES.
SO WHAT A MASTER PLAN DOES, A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, WHATEVER WORD YOU WANT TO USE UP, WHAT A PLAN OUGHT TO DO IS TALK TO YOU ABOUT HOW AND WHERE YOU WANT TO CONSERVE, PROTECT, OR MAYBE GROW THE ISLAND IN CERTAIN WAYS.
AND GROW HAS A LOT OF DIFFERENT
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MEANINGS, AND WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT TODAY.BUT AS WE DIDN'T TALK ABOUT INVESTMENT FOLKS THAT WANNA DO WORK HERE, HOW DOES THAT FIT IN WITH THE CHARACTER, THE CONVERSATION THAT'S BEEN OCCURRING HERE, UH, INDEED OVER GENERATIONS.
IT'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO BUILD, ENGAGE.
AND MISSY TALKED ABOUT THAT ENGAGED COMPONENT, WHICH IS JUST SO IMPORTANT TO DOING THIS WORK WELL, INVOLVING THE PUBLIC, INVOLVING LEADERSHIP STAKEHOLDERS AS WELL.
AND THROUGHOUT THIS PROCESS, WHAT WE HOPE TO DO IS NOT NECESSARILY IMPOSE THE VISION, BUT RATHER REVEAL THAT VISION, UH, THROUGH THOSE CONVERSATIONS, THROUGH SOME OF OUR DISCUSSION AND ANALYSIS, ESTABLISH THE POLICY AND SET THOSE FIRST STEPS FOR IMPLEMENTATION.
WHAT WE'RE DISCUSSING TODAY IS REALLY AT THAT VISION LEVEL.
NOW, REMEMBER, WE'VE GOT A SERIES OF DISTRICTS WE'RE WORKING ON, RIGHT? THAT ARE, THAT, THAT, UH, THAT RUN FROM, UH, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, UH, RUN FROM THE BEGINNINGS OF THE ISLAND TO THE, THE BEACH.
UH, SO WE WANNA DISCUSS THOSE.
IN TURN, THEY EACH HAVE THEIR OWN PECULIARITIES.
THEY EACH HAVE THEIR OWN CONTEXT.
WE WANT TO PROVIDE SOME PHYSICAL DIRECTION WITHIN THOSE, BUT THAT PHYSICAL DIRECTION IS REALLY NOTHING WITHOUT THE SUPPORTING POLICY COMPONENTS AS WELL.
SO, WITHIN, WITH THIS WORK, WE ALWAYS WANNA PROVIDE A VISION, BUT WE WANNA BOLSTER THAT AND SUPPORT THAT WITH POLICY THAT WILL ENABLE THAT VISION AND PROVIDE CLEAR NEXT STEPS AS ALL AS WELL.
I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO EMPHASIZE FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE PUBLIC.
WE'RE ALL WELL AWARE OF THIS, THAT THE PLANNING WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS THE LANDS OUTSIDE OF THE GATES.
UH, AND SO THIS IS THE, THE REST OF THE ISLAND.
AND THAT'S, UH, A GREAT POINT, UH, TO POINT OUT, MR. STANFORD, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE KEY ELEMENTS OF THIS IS THAT LOOKING AT THAT GEOGRAPHY, IT LOOKS PECULIAR WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE DISTRICT MAP BECAUSE THERE ARE AREAS THAT ARE IN WHITE, RIGHT? BUT THAT ARE IN WHITE BECAUSE THEY'RE PART OF A MASTER PLAN COMMUNITY.
SO WHAT WE'RE DEALING WITH IN A LOT OF, IN ALL OF THIS WORK, THE DISTRICT PLANS, IS ALL THOSE AREAS THAT ARE OUTSIDE OF THAT CONTEXT.
CAN YOU SPEAK UP ON THAT CONVERSATION A LITTLE BIT? UM, BECAUSE YES, 70% OF THE ISLANDS BEHIND THE GATE MASTER PLANNED RELATIVELY SET IN STONE, AND THAT LEAVES 30%.
AND WE ALWAYS, WE ALWAYS DIVIDE IT UP THAT WAY, 70, 30%.
BUT WHEN YOU HEAR IT THAT WAY, IT MAKES THE ASSUMPTION TO SOME WHO MAY NOT HAVE BE AS AWARE THAT 30% JUST HASN'T, BUT NOTHING'S BEEN DONE THERE.
AND THE FACT IS, IN 2023, MANY IF NOT ALMOST ALL OF THOSE AREAS OUTSIDE OF THE GATE AT 30% HAS HAD DEVELOPMENT ON IT.
AND THERE ARE EXPECTATIONS SET IN PLACE.
AND THE, I THINK THAT NEEDS TO BE MADE CLEAR BECAUSE JUST AS THOSE EXPECTATIONS ARE PROTECTED FOR THOSE 70% BEHIND THE GATES, THERE HAVE TO BE SOME PROTECTION OF EXPECTATIONS OF THOSE WHO HAVE ESTABLISHED THEIR LIFE HERE IN INVESTMENT HERE ON THE ISLAND OUTSIDE OF THE GATE IN WITHIN THAT 30%, WHICH IS EVER SHRINKING.
WANNA MAKE SURE WE'RE ALL REALLY CLEAR ABOUT THAT, BECAUSE IT'S IMPORTANT AS WE MOVE FORWARD.
AND THE PURVIEW OF THE TOWN COVERS THE FULL GEOGRAPHY, RIGHT? I MEAN, THE WORK THAT YOU ALL ARE DOING, THE WORK THAT WE'RE DOING COVERS THIS ISLAND COMPLETELY.
AND LEVELING UP THE EXPECTATIONS, CONSIDERATIONS ACROSS THE BOARD IS A CRITICAL ELEMENT OF WHAT THIS ALL IS.
AND I TALKED WITHIN THIS ONE, MS. BECKER, ABOUT THE IDEA OF ZOOMING IN, ZOOMING OUT.
AND AT THE ULTIMATE ZOOM OUT, WE TALK ABOUT THAT GROWTH FRAMEWORK MAP.
AND AGAIN, I DON'T WANT ANYONE TO FIXATE ON THE WORD GROWTH BECAUSE GROWTH CAN MEAN ALL THINGS.
WE TALK ABOUT CONSERVATION BEING A CRITICAL PART OF THAT.
IT'S ABOUT BEING THE COMMUNITY YOU WANT TO BE
AND AT THE HIGHEST LEVEL, WHERE DO WE START THAT DISCUSSION? AND AT THE LOWEST LEVEL WITH FUTURE LAND USE MAPPING WITH RECOMMENDATIONS, HOW DO WE IMPLEMENT THAT VISION? THAT'S THE REASON THE COMMUNITY SURVEY AND INPUT CRITICAL, ABSOLUTELY CRITICAL TRYING THINGS TOGETHER.
HERE, IF I COULD JUMP IN AS WELL, I, I APPRECIATE THE BACKGROUND INFORMATION.
I'VE ALREADY LOOKED AT IT, WE'VE ALREADY HEARD IT BEFORE.
COULD, COULD WE CUT TO THE CHASE AND TALK ABOUT THE, THE BRIDGE ALMOST TO THE BEACH? YEAH.
WELL, IF I CAN JUST STEP IN ON THAT.
WE HAVE A ROOM FULL OF FOLKS WHO ARE HERE TO HEAR THE DETAILS.
AND I THINK THAT ONE OF THE REASONS WE'RE HOLDING THIS MEETING IS TO MAKE SURE, INFORMED ON WHAT IT IS THAT WE'RE DOING, SO THAT THEIR PARTICIPATION IS MEANINGFUL AS IT COMES THROUGH WITH COMMUNITY MEETINGS AND SERVICE.
I THINK BRIDGE TO THE BEACH IS THE NEXT SLIDE.
AND SO IN SETTING UP THIS PARTICULAR DISTRICT, ONE THING THAT'S CRITICAL TO POINT OUT FOR YOU ALL IS THAT WITH, WITHIN EACH OF THESE AREAS, YOU KNOW, UH, THERE'S, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF CONSIDERATION ALREADY, RIGHT? SO WHEN WE DO THIS WORK, THE LAST THING WE WANNA DO IS IGNORE GOOD WORK THAT HAS BEEN PRODUCED OR THE THOUGHTS THAT HAVE BEEN ASSEMBLED ON IT.
SO WE HAVE SOME PREVIOUS PLANS, UH, WITHIN THIS DISTRICT.
NOW, THE GEOGRAPHIES MIGHT SHIFT A LITTLE BIT OVER TIME, BUT THE IDEA IS THAT WE'VE BEEN CONTEMPLATING THIS GROUND FOR A WHILE, UH, WHICH YOU'LL SEE, WE TALK ABOUT LAND USE DEMOGRAPHICS, THERE'S A LOT OF, UH, DIVERSITY IN THIS AREA RUNNING FROM THAT BRIDGE TO ALMOST AS YOU POINT OUT, MS. PR
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CORRECTLY, THE, UH, ALMOST TO THE BEACH 1999 PLAN FROM BRIDGE TO THE BEACH, A PUBLIC INPUT, DESIGN SHRIMP PROCESSES.AND MISSY, I DUNNO IF YOU WANNA SPEAK TO ANY OF THESE PLANS AND SPECIFICALLY THANKS KYLE.
UM, SO REALLY, UH, THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK BACKWARD A LITTLE BIT BEFORE WE LOOK AHEAD.
AND AS KYLE MENTIONED, UM, THE WORK THAT WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT TODAY REALLY BUILDS ON A LOT OF THIS PAST PLANNING AND EFFORTS THAT WE'RE DONE.
UM, AND UP ON THE SCREEN HERE, OF COURSE, IS THE 1999 TOWN LED PUBLIC CHARETTE PROCESS THAT PRODUCED THE REPORT CALLED FROM THE BRIDGE TO BEACH, A PUBLIC INPUT AND DESIGN ETTE PROCESS.
THIS WAS ALSO AROUND THE SAME TIME THAT THE ADOPTION OF THE TOWN'S TAX INCREMENT FINANCING DISTRICT, WHICH FACILITATED THE REDEVELOPMENT PROJECTS FOR LOW COUNTRY CELEBRATION PARK AND THE U S C B HILTON HEAD ISLAND CAMPUS.
SO IT REALLY AIMED TO IDENTIFY POTENTIAL WAYS TO ADDRESS MAJOR CONCERNS RELATED TO THE QUALITY OF DEVELOPMENT OF REDEVELOPMENT, AS WELL AS TRANSPORTATION, UM, WHICH CHARACTERIZED THE MOVEMENT OF PEOPLE, NOT JUST CARS.
SO SOME OF THE KEY RECOMMENDATIONS ARE UP ON THE SCREEN.
IT WAS ABOUT ROADWAY IMPROVEMENTS AND ADDING TO THE GRIDDED NETWORK OF THE STREET NETWORK WHERE IT WAS POSSIBLE TRAFFIC, CALMING PATHWAYS, PUBLIC ART, UTILITY IMPROVEMENTS, AND, UM, SOME DRAINAGE IN STORMWATER, UM, UPDATES THAT THEN LED, UM, IN 2000, THE BRIDGE TO BEACH STEERING COMMITTEE WAS FORMED BY A COUNCIL TO CREATE AND IMPROVE ON A VISIONING PROCESS, WHICH LED TO THE 2001 BRIDGE TO THE BEACH REDEVELOPMENT ADVISORY PLAN AND REPORT.
AND THAT REPORT IDENTIFIED SOME SPECIFIC ZONING CHANGES, UM, TO HELP ADDRESS SOME OF THE NON-CONFORMING STRUCTURES THAT WERE BUILT BEFORE THE TOWN WAS INCORPORATED.
IT ALSO HAD SOME SIMILAR, UM, CONCEPTS THAT WERE IN THE PRIOR PLAN FOR PEDESTRIAN FRIENDLY DESIGN, MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT.
OF COURSE, IT HAD A TRANSPORTATION FOCUS AS WELL.
AND PARKS RECREATION OPEN SPACE AND POCKET PARKS WERE, UM, INCORPORATED IN THAT.
THAT ALSO LED TO ADDITIONAL PLANNING IN THE 2004 BRIDGE TO BEACH AREA REDEVELOPMENT WORKBOOK.
THIS ALSO HAD POLICIES, PROGRAMS, AND PROJECTS WITH TIMEFRAMES FOR ACTION.
IT ALSO INCLUDED, UM, SIMILAR RECOMMENDATIONS FROM A TRANSPORTATION STANDPOINT AND NETWORK CONNECTIVITY AND KEY REDEVELOPMENT PROJECTS.
THEN THERE WAS THE, UH, 2016 CIRCLE TO CIRCLE VISION PLAN.
UM, IT ALSO INCLUDED TRAFFIC IMPROVEMENTS.
IT INCLUDED COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT.
IT HAD SEA PINE CIRCLE CAPACITY, ROADWAY CONNECTIVITY, TRANSIT PARKING, AND IN THE K CLICKY AREA.
AND, UM, PROMOTING PUBLIC BEACHES AS PRIMARY FOCUS AREAS IN THAT PLAN.
AND SO THERE'S BEEN AN ENORMOUS AMOUNT OF PLANNING IN THIS GENERAL VICINITY THAT WE'RE BUILDING ON.
AND, UM, A LOT OF THE SAME THEMES ARE IN, UH, WHAT YOU'RE GONNA SEE BEFORE YOU TODAY.
UM, THERE WAS IMPLEMENTATION PROJECTS THAT WERE OUTCOMES OF ALL OF THOSE PAST PLANS.
HERE'S JUST A LIST OF SOME OF THE THINGS THAT HAVE OCCURRED OR DID OCCUR FROM SOME OF THOSE PAST PLANNING EFFORTS.
UM, THERE WERE POPE AVENUE PATHWAYS THAT WERE RELOCATED AWAY FROM THE ROAD ON BOTH SIDES.
PALMETTO BAY ROAD PATHWAY, UH, ROUNDABOUT AT ARROW ROAD AND DUNNIGAN ALLEY POWER LINES WERE BURIED.
UM, OFFICE PARK ROAD WAS REALIGNED.
UM, THERE WERE SOME MEDIA ENCLOSURES, CROSSWALK UPDATES, SEA PINE CIRCLE UPGRADES AND THE ROCKS, REMY TRACK PARK, UH, RIGHT THERE BY FAT BABIES.
UM, THAT PASSIVE PARK WAS, WAS ESTABLISHED AS A RESULT OF THAT.
SO THERE'S A LOT OF, UM, PAST PLANNING THAT WE'RE BUILDING UPON.
AND, UM, BEFORE WE DIVE IN, AND I, I HAND IT BACK TO KYLE, UM, SOME OF WHAT IS VERY STRONG IN THE PLANNING EFFORTS THAT WE'RE DOING AS PART OF THIS ISLAND WIDE MASTER PLAN DISTRICT PLANNING EFFORT THAT KYLE ALREADY KIND OF, UM, FOCUSED ON, IS THAT THERE'S A VERY STRONG IMPLEMENTATION AND RECOMMENDATION SECTION THAT ARE PART OF THESE PLANNING EFFORTS TO ENSURE THAT WE CREATE THE POLICY FRAMEWORK THROUGH THE INTENDED L M O AMENDMENT REWRITE AND OVERHAUL, SO THAT WE HAVE THAT FRAMEWORK IN PLACE SO THAT THE VISION THAT'S BEING CREATED IN THESE DOCUMENTS CAN OCCUR.
AND SO WITH THAT, I WILL HAND IT BACK TO KYLE.
I COULD ASK A QUESTION BEFORE.
CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE PREVIOUS SLIDE WITH THE PROJECT SUMMARY? THANK YOU.
UM, I, I NOTICED IN THE PREVIOUS PLANS, AND THANKS VERY MUCH FOR THE SUMMARIES OF THOSE, UM, THAT THERE WERE SOME OTHER ITEMS IDENTIFIED SUCH AS SOME REZONINGS AND ALSO, UM, UH, A COORDINATED STORMWATER MANAGEMENT SYSTEM.
UM, SO, UH, IN ADDITION TO, TO THOSE KIND OF PROJECTS, DO WE HAVE ANY SORT OF ANALYSIS ABOUT WHAT WAS DONE, UM, WITH REGARD TO THOSE PLANS
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THAT I WANNA KNOW WHAT THE DIFFERENCE IS BETWEEN SOME OF THOSE PLANS, WHAT WE'VE DONE, AND WHAT THE PROPOSAL IS NOW? SURE.WE'D HAVE TO DO A LITTLE BIT OF RESEARCH TO FIND OUT IF ANY OF THE REZONINGS THAT WERE RECOMMENDED IN SOME OF THAT POLICY WORK AND WORK WITH THE STORM WATER TEAM TO FIND OUT IF, IF SOME OF THOSE OTHER RECOMMENDATIONS HAVE BEEN REALIZED.
I, I THINK IT'S VERY VALUABLE THAT WE GO BACK AND LOOK AT WHAT WE DID IN THE PAST TO TRY TO ACCOMPLISH SOMEWHAT THE SAME THINGS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH TODAY, BUT WHY WE DIDN'T GET TO WHERE WE WANTED TO GO.
SO I THINK ANALYZING, AS BRYSON SUGGESTED OF WHAT SUCCEEDED AND WHAT MAY NOT HAVE IMPLEMENTED THE WAY WE THOUGHT IT WAS GOING TO BE IMPORTANT FOR US, BECAUSE I THINK THERE ARE TWO OR THREE REALLY STRATEGIC ISSUES THAT WE DIDN'T CONFRONT PREVIOUSLY THAT I THINK WE HAVE TO CONFRONT TODAY.
UM, MS. BRI, THAT'S AN EXCELLENT POINT, AND I THINK, UH, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE MAJOR OPPORTUNITIES YOU HAVE AT, AT, AT HAND AS YOU EMBARK ON THIS PARTICULAR WORK IS THE L M O A PROCESS THAT'S GOING ALONG IN PARALLEL, RIGHT? SO, UH, YOU KNOW, STRANGE, YOU KNOW, YOU THINK ABOUT HOW DO YOU GET THIS DONE ON THE POLICY SIDE,
UM, JUST TO INTRODUCE A LITTLE BIT OF THE ORGANIZATION, UM, UH, OF, OF EACH OF OUR DISTRICT PLANS AS WE PROCEED THROUGH THIS WORK, OBVIOUSLY THE CONTEXT IS IMPORTANT.
WHAT WE WANNA TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT TODAY ARE KEY FINDINGS AND VISION, REALLY, I THINK WITHIN THIS WORK.
YES, LAND USE IS, IS INTEGRAL, UH, IMPORTANT.
WE WANNA TALK ABOUT STREETS AND PATHWAYS, BUT FOCUSING ON THE HIGH ORDER, UH, OF WHERE WE WANT TO GO, UH, IN THIS AREA ABOUT A SQUARE MILE, UH, IS WHAT WE DEAL WITH IN BRIDGE TO BEACH.
EACH OF OUR, OUR BOUNDARIES, UH, UH, A UNIQUE COLLECTION, WE WORKED HARD TO DETERMINE AREAS THAT MADE SENSE TO PLAN FOR TOGETHER.
UH, IT'S EASY IN THIS WORK TO TRY TO BREAK DOWN INTO EVERY INDIVIDUAL NEIGHBORHOOD OR EVERY INDIVIDUAL CROSSROADS.
WHAT WE WANTED TO DO IS CREATE AREAS THAT THERE IS, UM, UH, SOME RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN EACH OF THE USES, EACH OF THE ROADS, EACH OF THE INTERSECTIONS, WHERE AN IMPACT IN ONE AREA, UH, WILL BE FELT IN THE OTHER OBVIOUSLY, UH, HEAVILY TRAFFICKED, UH, AREA, UH, WHETHER IT'S YOUR VISITOR BUSINESS, UH, FULL-TIME RESIDENTS, UH, THERE'S A LOT OF ACTIVITY, UH, UH, IN THIS ZONE.
AND INCREASINGLY, UH, SO WE'VE GOT TWO MAJOR PARKS, UH, VERY MAJOR PARK WITH CROSSINGS IN COMPASS ROWS AS WELL.
UH, A COUPLE KEY FINDINGS, UH, RIGHT.
WON'T BE THERE TO, SORRY, IF YOU COULD BACK UP TO THE PREVIOUS SLIDE OF THAT AREA.
I, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT THIS AREA IS NOT THE SAME AREA AS THE PREVIOUS PLANS.
THAT IT BASICALLY, IT ALMOST CUTS IT IN HALF AND PERHAPS ADDS SOME.
UM, SO I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR US TO NOTE THAT ALONG THE WAY, THAT WE'RE NOT DEALING WITH THE SAME BRIDGE TO BEACH AREA AS WAS, UH, REVIEWED AND PLANNED IN 2001.
UM, AND I KEEP JOKING WITH THE STAFF ABOUT HOW, YOU KNOW, I WOULDN'T CALL THIS BRIDGE TO BEACH BECAUSE IT'S NOT TO THE BEACH
SO THERE WERE SOME NOTES IN THE 2001 PLAN, CALLING IT A GATEWAY.
UM, AND, AND SO, YOU KNOW, I DON'T GET REALLY HUNG UP ON NAMES, EXCEPT IN THIS CASE,
I THINK FOR THE PUBLIC'S, UH, INFORMATION, WHAT HAS BEEN ADDED FROM THE PREVIOUS BRIDGE TO THE BEACH IS BASICALLY PUNT POINT COMFORT ROAD.
AND WHAT HAS BEEN EXCLUDED IS BEACH SIDE OF CORD CORD, OR DILLO, ALL THE WAY DOWN TO FOREST BEACH AND EXCLUDING NORTH AND SOUTH FOREST BEACH.
YOU, YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT TO POINT THAT OUT, MR. PRESIDENT, I'M GLAD YOU DID.
THE, THE CONTEXT HERE IS NOT CO-TERMINUS WITH WHAT WE'VE STUDIED BEFORE.
UH, YOU KNOW, GENERALLY, HOWEVER, SOME OF THE ISSUES ARE, ARE FAIRLY CONSISTENT, OBVIOUSLY WITH THE CIRCLE AND THE CENTER.
UM, AND THERE'S RELATABILITY BETWEEN THOSE PLANS IN THIS ONE, BUT YOU'RE RIGHT, UH, THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF CHANGE, SO WE'LL BE SURE TO MAKE THAT MARK.
I THINK AS WE TALK ABOUT THOSE STUDIES IN PARTICULAR.
UM, JUST GETTING INTO SOME OF THE FINDINGS, AND I WON'T GO THROUGH THESE LINE BY LINE, BUT JUST WANTED TO HIT ON SOME OF THE, THE, THE KEY POINTS IS THAT, YOU KNOW, REALLY A JOB SPACE, YOU KNOW, FOR OUR ISLAND, UM, OBVIOUSLY WE'D BE HAVING A, A SEASONAL ECONOMY TO A CERTAIN DEGREE.
THERE'S SOME EBB AND FLOW TO THAT, BUT AROUND 5,000 OR SO JOBS, UH, IN THIS PARTICULAR AREA.
BUT A LOT OF BUSINESSES AS WELL ACTIVE, UH, IN THE ZONE AND IN A, IN A RANGE OF BUSINESSES AS WE'LL.
TALK HERE IN JUST A SECOND AND WHY? WELL, THERE'S A REAL CENTRALITY TO THIS PLACE, AS YOU GUYS KNOW.
UH, ACCESS, ESPECIALLY WITH THE, UH, THE CROSS ISLAND PARKWAY, THERE'S A LOT OF, UH, UH, ACCESS BOTH DOWN AND UP, UH, WHICH MAKES IT VERY WELL CONNECTED INTO THE OVERALL ROADWAY NETWORK, BUT ALSO INTO THAT PATHWAY NETWORK, WHICH WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT AS A MAJOR ASSET, UH, IN THIS A LITTLE BIT LATER.
UH, AND SOME INTERESTING, UM, INTERESTING LAND USE MIX.
ONE THING I'LL POINT OUT, PALMETTO VILLAGE, ESPECIALLY WITH THIS NEW MODEL, SOME EMPLOYER INITIATED HOUSING PROJECTS HERE THAT ARE ON THE ISLAND, A PRETTY UNIQUE PROJECT ACTUALLY, UH,
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EVEN IN, EVEN IN AROUND THE REGION.UH, BUT THAT'S ACTUALLY CONTAINED WITHIN OUR, OUR PLANNING AREA AS WELL.
KEY THING I WOULD SAY, THOUGH, DIVERSITY, DIVERSITY AND USE AND BUSINESS, UH, UH, REAL MIX, UH, FROM THE NORTH DOWN.
TALKING ABOUT DEMOGRAPHICS, UH, FULL-TIME POPULATION HERE IS A LITTLE BIT SMALLER THAN SOME OF OUR OTHER DISTRICTS.
UH, IT'S REALLY BUSINESS HEAVY, UH, BUT FOR THOSE, UH, UNITS AND HOUSEHOLDS THAT ARE HERE, PLATEAUING SIMILAR TO WHAT WE SEE WITH THE ISLAND OVERALL.
UH, A LOT OF BUILD OUT WITHIN THE HOUSING THAT EXISTS HERE TODAY.
UM, A LITTLE BIT OLDER, JUST IN TERMS OF MEDIAN AGE.
AND, AND OUR UNITS ARE MOSTLY FULL-TIME OCCUPIED, BUT THERE ARE PART-TIME RESIDENTS AS WELL.
LOTS SHORT, A LOT SMALLER SHORT-TERM RENTAL, UH, UM, UH, NUMBER HERE THAN WHAT WE HAVE.
AND THAT COINCIDES WITH OUR, UH, LAND USE STUDY AS WELL.
LOOKING AT SOME OF THE ECONOMY, UH, EMPLOYMENT, AGAIN, A KEY THING HERE IS THIS IS JUST REALLY A JOBS CENTER, UH, FOR OUR, FOR OUR ISLAND.
ONE THING THAT'S INTERESTING TO POINT OUT HERE, THOUGH, WHICH IS A REALLY CRITICAL PART OF, OF YOUR ECONOMY AND, AND REALLY LIVES HERE, IS THIS BUSINESSES THAT HELP OTHER BUSINESSES.
SO THAT ADMINISTRATIVE AND SUPPORT, THAT THAT SECTOR IS, UH, REALLY IMPORTANT, UH, ELEMENT HERE ON THE ISLAND.
UH, AND IS, IS THE LARGEST COMPONENT OF THE, UH, UH, SECTOR BREAKDOWN IN THIS AREA IN PARTICULAR.
ALSO HAVE A LOT OF LEGACY OFFICE PARKS, AS YOU ALL KNOW.
LET'S TALK ABOUT THOSE HERE IN IN JUST A SECOND.
I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT AS PART OF THE FINDINGS, DEALING WITH THIS AREA TO RECOGNIZE THAT WE'RE HAVING A CHANGE IN THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY IN THIS DISTRICT.
ALSO OTHER FACTORS HAVING TO DO WITH BUSINESSES LEAVING THE ISLAND.
PARTICULARLY IF YOU LOOK BACK TO 2001, UM, YOU HAD MUCH MORE OF A THRIVING OFFICE COMMUNITY THAN YOU DO NOW.
AND I THINK THESE ARE THE TYPES OF FINDINGS THAT ARE IMPORTANT FOR US TO RECOGNIZE AND INCLUDE AS WE MOVE THE PLAN FORWARD.
THERE'S A, THERE'S A LOT OF STRANGE HEADWINDS IN THE OFFICE,
AND SOME OF THEM YOU'VE ACTUALLY WEATHERED QUITE WELL.
THE INTERESTING THING HERE IS YOUR VACANCY RATE, UH, WITHIN A LOT OF THIS PRODUCT IS IT'S ACTUALLY PERFORMING BETTER THAN THE REGION, RIGHT? SO, UH, YOU'VE PARTIALLY BECAUSE THE RENTS ARE SO MUCH LOWER THAN NEXT TO THE REGION, BUT INTERESTING THOUGH ALSO MR. JAMES, IS THAT, THAT THOSE RENTS HAVE GROWN, RIGHT? SO EVEN THOUGH YOU'VE GOT A, AN OLDER PRODUCT, YOU STILL HAVE RENT GROWTH, YOU STILL HAVE PRETTY HIGH OCCUPANCY.
WHAT THAT SPEAKS TO, TO US IN REALLY A LOT OF WAYS IS OPPORTUNITIES WITHIN THE OFFICE MARKET GENERALLY, RIGHT? 'CAUSE WE DON'T HAVE, UH, CLASS A OFFICE IN THIS, IN THIS DISTRICT TODAY.
UH, DOMINANT PRODUCT HERE IS OF THE EIGHTIES DOMINANT PRODUCT, FRANKLY, IS PREDATING THE INCORPORATION OF THE TOWN, RIGHT? SO, UH, A LOT OF WHAT WE SEE, AND YOU SEE THIS IN SOME OF YOUR NEIGHBORS, THOSE THAT ARE TAKING ADVANTAGE OF NEW PRODUCT, THEY'RE SEEING, YOU KNOW, PRETTY SIGNIFICANT, UH, UM, UH, OCCUPANCY BASED ON THAT.
AND THEN RENT ON THE SAME SIDE AS WELL.
UH, ABSORPTION, YOU KNOW, IS HEALTHY HERE.
I THINK WHAT WE LOOK AT THAT IS, THAT'S NOT ABOUT NECESSARILY ADDING SQUARE FOOTAGE, THAT'S ABOUT LEASES ENDING LEASES BEING TAKEN UP, RIGHT? SO THAT CHURN IS ACTUALLY QUITE HEALTHY.
BUT MR. STANFORD, YOUR POINT ABOUT, UM, SOME OF THE MOVEMENT OF BUSINESS, ABSOLUTELY.
UH, AND WE SEE SOME, UM, SOME SHOOTS AND SOME MANIFEST OF THAT IN SOME OF THE REDEVELOPMENT PROJECTS THAT HAD BEEN PROPOSED.
UH, YOU KNOW, COMMERCIAL REAL ESTATE, AGAIN, I TALK ABOUT THIS MOMENT IN TIME THING.
THERE'S A A LOT GOING ON HERE.
THE KEY PIECE IS THAT 40 YEARS OLD, UH, WE GET TO 40, ESPECIALLY WE GET TO 50, THERE ARE DECISIONS BEING MADE ABOUT, ABOUT PRODUCT, EITHER MAJOR REINVESTMENTS OR DECISIONS ABOUT THAT BUILDING, UM, LONG TERM.
UH, AND WHY I POINT THIS OUT IS THAT I'M NOT THE ONLY HUMAN BEING THAT'S SEEING THIS, RIGHT? THERE ARE OTHER PEOPLE OUT THERE IN THE WORLD THAT SEE THE OPPORTUNITY IN THIS.
IT'S IMPORTANT TO STAY IN FRONT OF THOSE DISCUSSIONS AS THEY MAY POP UP, UH, OVER TIME.
UH, NOT TO BELABOR THIS POINT, BUT AGAIN, ON THE OFFICE MARKET HEALTH, YOU KNOW, WE DO SEE A PRETTY STRONG MARKET HERE DESPITE THE AGE, UH, DESPITE THE CLASSIFICATION, WHICH, YOU KNOW, IS A, IS A, IS A SCALE, UH, BASE RENT HERE MAY BE LOWER, THE NORTHERN PART, BUT AGAIN, IT IS STILL, IS STILL INCREASING ALONG WITH THE OVERALL ISLAND.
IT SEEMS TO ME A STATISTIC THAT SHOULD BE INCLUDED HERE.
AND IF YOU WERE TO TRACK THAT, MR. STANFORD, WHICH YOU'LL SEE IS A, A PRETTY STABLE RATE.
A PRETTY STABLE RATE, AND ACTUALLY ONE THAT'S COME DOWN, UM, DESPITE THE FACT OF IT'S CLIMBING GENERALLY IN THE REGION ABOUT THE PERCEPTION, THOUGH, THAT RIGHT? EXACTLY.
UM, WE THINK ABOUT THE, UH, THE HOUSING COMPONENTS HERE.
ANOTHER IMPORTANT THING TO POINT OUT.
WE, WE GET FIXATED A LITTLE BIT HERE ON SOME OF THE DYNAMIC PORTIONS OF THIS DISTRICT, BUT THERE IS A LARGER GEOGRAPHY THAT WE WANNA CONSIDER.
YOU MADE THIS POINT MS. JAMES ALREADY, AND NOT AS MUCH HOUSING AS HERE, AS WE SEE IN SOME OF THE OTHER DISTRICTS, ESPECIALLY FULL-TIME.
BUT WHERE WE DO, WE SEE PRICES
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INCREASING, UH, THEY MAY BE A LITTLE BIT LOWER THAN OVERALL IN TERMS OF MEDIAN VALUE.THEY ARE INCREASING, WHICH IS A MAJOR TREND, UH, ACROSS THE ISLAND, UH, FAR FEWER OF OUR, OUR SHORT-TERM RENTAL PROPERTIES THAT ARE IN THIS PARTICULAR AREA.
AND SOMETHING THAT HAS TO DO WITH THE GEOGRAPHY ITSELF, RIGHT? AND WHERE WE ARE, WE CAN'T TALK ABOUT THIS DISTRICT WITHOUT TALKING ABOUT THE VEHICULAR NETWORK, THE PATHWAY NETWORK, UM, IN SOME WAY, ESPECIALLY WHEN WE GET TO THE RECOMMENDATIONS LATER.
THIS IS A LOT OF THE STORY, UH, THE ACCESS.
UM, YOU'RE DEALING WITH A PATTERN HERE THAT WAS GIVEN TO YOU OVER TIME, RIGHT? AND WE'VE GROWN UP INTO, UM, AT ONE POINT I WANTED TO MAKE WITH SOME OF THESE PREVIOUS STUDIES IS THINK ABOUT HOW MUCH CHANGE WE'VE EXPERIENCED JUST FROM 2001 TO 2023, NOT OPPOSING GOING BACK EVEN FURTHER.
AND SOME OF THAT CHANGE HAS TO DO JUST WITH THE NUMBER OF VEHICLES ON THE ROAD, THE NUMBER OF BICYCLES ON OUR PATHWAYS.
THAT VOLUME INCREASE, UH, STARTS TO SPEAK TO SOME OF THE CAPACITY ISSUES THAT WE SEE.
AND WE SEE THE, THE, WE SEE SOME OF THE HIGHEST AVERAGE VOLUMES IN THIS DISTRICT, ESPECIALLY IN CIRCLES AND ON PALMETTO ROAD AS WELL.
SORRY, CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE SLIDE ABOUT DEMOGRAPHICS? WHERE YOU TALKED ABOUT HOUSING? SURE.
I, I THINK, UM, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE NUMBER OF HOUSING UNITS AND THE, UH, THE PERCENTAGE OCCUPIED FULL-TIME, UH, THAT'S PART-TIME.
AND THAT'S BECAUSE THIS AREA IS CORDIO NORTH OR TOWARDS THE BRIDGE.
'CAUSE I ALWAYS GET CONFUSED ABOUT WHERE THE COMPASS IS ON THESE MAPS.
UM, BUT, UM, IF YOU LOOK SOUTH OF CORDIO, THERE'S A WHOLE LOT OF HOUSING DOWN THERE, AND I THINK IT FLIPS FROM THOSE PERCENTAGES.
I DON'T HAVE ANY IDEA WHAT THE PERCENTAGES ARE, BUT WHAT'S MISSING HERE IS THAT THE TRAFFIC COMES OVER THAT WAY THROUGH SEA PINES HAS CORDIO DOWN TO THE BEACH AREA.
SO BY ONLY INCLUDING THIS NOTE, YOU HAVE FAILED TO LINK IT TO ALL OF THAT HOUSING AND ALL OF THE IMPACT ON THIS DISTRICT BECAUSE OF THE AREA SOUTH, WELL, TOWARDS THE BEACH THAT WAY, MR. STANFORD, UNLESS YOU CAN HELP ME OUT, UM, ANYHOW, I THINK THAT'S A A, A KEY MISSING POINT IN THIS PLAN IS IT FAILS TO REALIZE THE IMPACT OF THE ADJACENT AREA.
AND WHEN WE TALK ABOUT TRAFFIC AND TRAFFIC IMPACTS, WHAT'S IMPORTANT TO SAY IS THAT WE'RE NOT DEALING WITH A VACUUM
IN FACT, THE GROWTH OR CHANGE IN THE, WHAT'S GONNA BE THE FOREST BEACH DISTRICT, WHICH WILL BE OUR NEXT DISTRICT WE DISCUSS, HAS AN IMPORTANT AND CRITICAL IMPACT ON, UH, ON THIS DISTRICT AS WELL.
SO WE CAN'T CONTAIN THOSE THINGS.
AND I THINK AS WE DISCUSS THIS, WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT CONNECTION IS VERY, VERY CLEAR.
DOES THIS, DOES RECOGNIZE THE 32,000 CARS THAT ARE PASSING THROUGH THAT CORRIDOR ON A DAILY BASIS? YES.
AGAIN, GROWING OVER TIME, UM, ROADWAY.
SO WE, UH, OF COURSE WE'RE STUDYING THIS AS A, AS AN IMPORTANT COMPONENT OF, OF OUR WORK.
UH, SEA PINE CIRCLE, AGAIN, THIS IS THE NODE IN SOME WAYS,
UM, WE THINK ABOUT THE, SOME OF THE CONFIGURATIONS FOR OUR, AGAIN, I KEEP SAYING THIS WORD, LEGACY ROAD NETWORK, BUT A LOT OF WHAT WE'RE GONNA BE DEALING WITH HERE ARE DECISIONS THAT WERE MADE 30, 40, 50, SOMETIMES EVEN LONGER, UH, AGO.
AND HOW DOES THE UPGRADE START TO, UH, EMBRACE THAT AND WORK WITH, UM, THE OPPORTUNITIES THAT ARE AT HAND, MORE THAN SEVEN MILES OF, OF PATHWAY, UH, CRISSCROSSING, UH, THE DISTRICT, JUST LIKE IT DOES ACROSS THE ISLAND.
REALLY INCREDIBLE ASSET TO GROW AND TO USE AND TO FRANKLY LEVERAGE, UH, IN WORK.
UH, BUT, YOU KNOW, WITH THE CORRIDOR'S WORK THAT'S BEEN GOING ON RIGHT NOW, THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY RIGHT NOW TO ALSO UPGRADE THAT SYSTEM.
JUST LIKE OTHER GREAT COMMUNITIES ARE.
GREATER LEGIBILITY, SAFETY, ACCESS, ALL OF THOSE THINGS.
ALSO IMPORTANT TRANSIT CORRIDOR FOR, UH, FOR WORKERS, FOR OTHERS.
UM, HAVE A LOT OF STOPS IN THIS DISTRICT.
AND SEVERAL RECOMMENDATIONS THAT HAVE BEEN MADE WITHIN THESE SYSTEMS ABOUT HOW TO UPGRADE THOSE AS WELL.
UM, I WON'T GO THROUGH THE FULL INVENTORY HERE, BUT, UH, YOU KNOW, OPEN SPACE,
UM, IF YOUR MIND A VISION FOR THIS AREA, IS THERE SOMETHING THAT BEGINS TO SUGGEST THAT THE WAY WE ARE DOING TRANSIT IN THIS AREA NOW IS SUBOPTIMAL, THAT WE OUGHT TO BE LOOKING AT MOVEMENT OF PEOPLE IN A DIFFERENT WAY? YOU DON'T HAVE TO ANSWER THAT, BUT MY, MY, I'M GETTING TO THE POINT OF LET'S NOT TRY TO SOLVE ONLY TODAY'S PROBLEM, BUT WHERE DO WE WANT TO TAKE THIS PLAN FOR A 10 YEAR VISION? YEAH, YEAH, YEAH.
AND HOW THAT INTERACTS WITH SOME OF OUR WORKFORCE ISSUES AS WELL.
UM, YOU KNOW, MR. JAMES, WE'VE BEEN THROUGH WORKFORCE HOUSING, UM, UH, DISCUSSIONS.
UH, AND WE KNOW JUST HOW CRITICAL THAT TRANSPORTATION PIECE CAN BE.
UM, AND THIS IS AN AREA WHERE YOU CAN GET A LOT OF WORK DONE.
I THINK ON THAT PARTICULAR, WE'LL TALK ABOUT IT, ONE OF THOSE STRATEGIC ISSUES THAT
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IN ORDER FOR THIS TO BE A SUCCESS, DO WE HAVE TO RETHINK THE WAY WE ARE ACCOMMODATING PEOPLE TO MOVE WITHIN THE DISTRICT? NO DOUBT.WELL, THERE'S A, A REAL GREEN PRESENCE HERE AS WELL.
ONE OF THE LARGEST, UH, YOU KNOW, WITH CROSSINGS PARK, LARGEST FACILITY MAINTAINED BY THE TOWN.
UM, JUST, JUST A LOT HAPPENING.
UH, WHETHER IT'S PROGRAMMED OR NONE PROGRAM PASSIVE OR ACTIVE, UM, PATHWAYS IS A CRITICAL COMPONENT OF THIS AS WELL.
UM, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE, THE GREATEST ASSETS THAT THIS ISLAND HAS, FRANKLY, IS HOW MUCH THAT'S BEEN PRESERVED, RIGHT? EVEN WITHIN THE BUILT FOOTPRINT, UM, OF YOUR COMMUNITY.
UTILITIES ARE SOLIDLY WITHIN THE SOUTH ISLAND PUBLIC, UH, SERVICE DISTRICT, UH, AND ALL THAT, UM, UH, MEANS, UH, TAPPING THE FLORIDIAN AQUIFER AND ALSO WITH OUR DEEP CRETACEOUS AQUIFER WELL AS WELL.
UM, LOTS OF, UH, THOUGHT ABOUT THIS ISSUE AS THERE SHOULD BE
BUT, UM, RIGHT WITHIN OUR DISTRICT IS OUR, OUR, OUR SOUTH ISLAND.
UM, SORRY TO MAKE YOU KEEP GOING BACK.
I THINK THE QUESTION THAT I ASKED ABOUT STORM WATER, UM, I THINK THAT'S MISSING IN HERE.
COMPARING TO WHAT HAPPENED IN 2000, WHAT THE RECOMMENDATIONS WERE IN 2001.
UM, SO I SEE OTHER UTILITIES DISCUSS, BUT STORM, I MEAN, I KNOW THAT, UM, PUBLIC SERVICE DISTRICTS DEAL WITH STORM WATER, BUT, UH, I DON'T SEE THAT THERE OPPORTUNITY TO BOLSTER THAT COMPONENT AS WELL.
YEAH, MS. BRAN AND ABSOLUTELY.
AND WE SHOULD TAKE THAT IS, IS AS, UM, A REALLY IMPORTANT ENABLING COMPONENT OF THIS IS THAT THOSE ISSUES HAVE TO BE DEALT WITH WITH IT BEFORE ANYTHING ELSE.
AND THAT'S WHY WE TALK ABOUT UTILITIES.
WE TALK ABOUT TRANSPORTATION, UH, ULTIMATELY TO GET TO THIS DISCUSSION ABOUT LAND USE.
AND WHEN WE DO THIS WORK, AND THIS IS AN OPENING CONVERSATION HERE TODAY, UH, WITH YOU ALL.
UM, THE FIRST THING WE'RE TRYING TO LOOK AT, UM, JUST IF, IF NOTHING IS DONE, WHERE IS THERE SOME VOLATILITY WITHIN OUR DISTRICT? AND I DON'T MEAN VOLATILITY IN A NEGATIVE SENSE.
I MEAN, THERE'S POTENTIAL FOR ENERGY, POTENTIAL FOR INVESTMENT THAT WE MAY NOT BE ABLE TO DIRECT IF, BUT FOR THIS PLANNING PROCESS, UH, WE THINK OF THAT IN TERMS OF THINGS LIKE SUSCEPTIBILITY TO CHANGE.
UH, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? IT MEANS THAT THE MARKET IS CHANGING, RIGHT? YOU'VE GOT OLDER USES, OLDER BUILDINGS, THERE'S OPPORTUNITY THAT'S ALREADY BEING SEEN, UH, BY INSIDE OR OUTSIDE INVESTORS.
AND WE REALLY FOCUS IN THIS WORK ON OUR, ON OUR, ON OUR COMMERCIAL AREAS, FRANKLY, BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE WE'RE ALREADY SEEING, UH, A LOT OF THE WORK.
AND FRANKLY, WHAT WE'RE DOING IN THIS WORK IS TRYING TO CONSERVE AND PROTECT, UH, UH, OUR HOUSING, OUR NEIGHBORHOODS, UH, YOU KNOW, OUR, OUR RESIDENTIAL COMPONENTS OF THE COMMUNITY.
AND THOSE ARE THESE TWO KEY DRIVERS WITHIN THIS PLAN.
ONE IS THINKING ABOUT WHERE DO WE CONSERVE? THE OTHER IS THINKING ABOUT WHERE DO WE MAYBE CONSIDER THE FUTURE OF THESE AREAS? AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE, THE END FUTURE LAND USE MAP, YOU'RE GONNA SEE A LOT OF THIS ISLAND IS SOLIDLY WITHIN THE, THE CATEGORY OF CONSERVING.
UM, AND PROTECTING AND ENHANCING THE PEOPLE NEIGHBORHOOD USES.
ALSO CONNECTING THOSE PLACES TO, UH, UH, OTHER PORTIONS OF THE ISLAND WITHIN BRIDGE TO BEACH.
WHAT MAKES IT, UH, UNIQUE AND INTERESTING IS WE HAVE SOME AREAS WHERE WE MAY WANT TO CONSIDER THE FUTURE AND WHAT THAT FUTURE MIGHT LOOK, FEEL, AND FUNCTION LIKE IN, IN PURSUIT OF THIS IDEA OF CREATING SOME AUTHENTIC DESTINATIONS, UH, FOR RESIDENTS IN VISITORS AS WELL.
THOSE THREE CATEGORIES, PROTECT, ENHANCE, CONNECT, ULTIMATELY EVOLVE.
THERE'S SOME VERBS THAT LEAD OFF IN EACH OF THOSE.
AND I'LL FOCUS HERE MAYBE ON, JUST ON, UH, THE EVOLVING NATURE OF SOME OF OUR DISTRICTS WHERE WE CONSIDER THE FUTURE.
IT'S ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE, WHAT ARE WE, UH, WHAT ARE WE CONTEMPLATING FOR THAT AREA, AND HOW DO WE PURSUE AN AREA THAT IS, HAS GOVERNED BY A HOLISTIC SITE PLAN THAT HAS, YOU KNOW, PEDESTRIAN CONNECTIVITY BAKED IN THAT THINKS ABOUT THE, THE FUTURE IN A WAY THAT IS TAKING ADVANTAGE OF SOME OF THE STRATEGIC OPPORTUNITIES THAT ARE OUT THERE.
AND ALSO FOCUSES ON, YOU KNOW, CREATING DESTINATIONS, UH, YOU KNOW, MOVING FORWARD WITHIN THE ISLAND.
I TRIED TO CATCH YOU WHILE YOU'RE ON THAT SLIDE, BUT I WAS TOO SLOW BACK UP TO EVOLVE.
SO EVOLVE, YOU HAVE, CONSIDER THE POTENTIAL FOR INFILL DEVELOPMENT, PUBLIC SPACE ENHANCEMENTS, INCREASE
NOT GONNA INVOLVE IN ANY HOUSING IN THIS AREA.
WELL, I, I THINK WHEN WE TALK ABOUT REDEVELOPMENT, WE TALK ABOUT INFILL, THOSE OPPORTUNITIES ARE TRULY BAKED INTO THAT BROAD LOOK, RIGHT? I THINK IS WHAT WE DISCUSS, AND WE TALK, ESPECIALLY WITH THE FOCUS AREAS HERE, YOU KNOW, CAN WE CREATE A PATTERN THAT DOESN'T BREAK UP THE USES INTO, INTO COLOR CODED DISTRICTS? RIGHT? IS THERE AN OPPORTUNITY TO ACTUALLY, UM, UH, UH, YOU KNOW, ENGAGE AND ENCOMPASS THOSE USES INTO, WELL THOUGHT OUT, WELL CONSIDERED SPACES WITHIN THE COMMUNITY.
UM, SO WHAT WE'RE GONNA DISCUSS HERE IN JUST A MOMENT WITH THESE FOCUS AREAS, CAN YOU DO A LOT OF THAT STUFF WITHIN ONE PARTICULAR GEOGRAPHY? YES, MA'AM.
WELL, HOUSING IS ONE OF OUR 15 STRATEGIES,
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AND INFILLED REDEVELOPMENT IS A NICE TERM, BUT IT DOESN'T MEAN ANYTHING TO ME.ALSO SAID, PAUL, IT MIGHT BE A PRIORITY ON A LIST.
NOT EVERY AREA ACROSS THIS ISLAND IS RIPE AND APPROPRIATE FOR WHATEVER HOUSING IS BEING DISCUSSED.
I THINK THAT'S A FAR BIGGER DISCUSSION.
UM, AND THAN JUST SIMPLY HAVING A TERM, I, I'M GONNA JUMP IN HERE.
UH, IN MY OPINION, IN ORDER TO ACTIVATE THIS AREA, WE HAVE TO HAVE SERIOUS HOUSING BE INVOLVED.
AND THEN THE QUESTION BECOMES, WHO ARE WE SERVING WITHIN THAT? SURE.
AND IF WE CAN GO BACK, IF, IF, I MEAN, IF WE'RE HAVING A CONVERSATION AND NOT JUST A PRESENTATION, WHAT I WOULD ADD TO THAT THEN, DAVID, IS WHAT PATSY HAS BROUGHT UP THIS, THERE IS A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF HOUSING, UM, JUST SOUTH OF THIS, TOWARDS THE BEACH.
AND AS YOU'VE POINTED OUT, ALL OF THOSE ARE BEING ACCOUNTED FOR IN THAT 37,000 WHATEVER NUMBER IT WAS SOME ODD NUMBER THAT IT HAS NO OTHER, NO OTHER WAY, BUT TO TRAVERSE THROUGH THIS AREA TO GET, UM, ON OR OFF OR OUT INTO THE ISLAND, UH, FOR THEIR REGULAR DAY.
AND BECAUSE OF THAT, WE NEED TO CONSIDER TRAFFIC AND ALL OF THE REST THAT COMES ALONG WITH THAT, BECAUSE WE ALREADY KNOW THIS AREA HAS A, UM, IS, IS PUSHED, IS BURDENED BY THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC THERE AT THIS TIME.
SO ADDING MORE, I THINK WHAT THIS POINTS OUT IS THAT THERE ARE DIFFERENT VISIONS SITTING UP HERE THAT NEED TO BE DEALT WITH THROUGH THE CONVERSATIONS WITH AN OVERALL FOCUS ON WHAT THE ACTUAL CAPACITY SURE IS.
AND UNTIL YOU RECOGNIZE AND ACKNOWLEDGE WHAT THAT CAPACITY IS, YOU CAN'T CONTINUE TO PUSH MORE INTO IT.
UM, SO YES, IT'S A BROADER CONVERSATION, BUT THERE'S SOME REALITIES TO IT.
AND, AND, UH, MS. BERGER, I THINK ON THAT PARTICULAR POINT, UM, YOU KNOW, CAPACITY IS A, IS A, IS AN IMPORTANT WORD WITHIN THIS DISCUSSION.
WE'LL TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT SOME OF THE, UH, SOME OF THE NECESSARY ENABLING WORK THAT WOULD NEED TO GO ON FROM THE PUBLIC SIDE TO, TO HELP THIS VISION, YOU KNOW, OCCUR.
AND I THINK WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO, AND IT'S ALWAYS IMPORTANT, WE, WE USE A COUPLE OF WORDS HERE.
ONE IS INCREMENTAL, RIGHT? WELL, I, WHAT WE'RE DISCUSSING, AND THIS IS NOT A DAY ONE, DAY TWO, UH, YOU KNOW, A VISION, RIGHT? WE'RE TALKING ABOUT OVER TIME, JUST AS THE WAY THIS COMMUNITY HAS BEEN BUILT UP OVER TIME, AS WE SET A BROAD DIRECTION FOR THE FUTURE, WHAT DOES THAT SLOWLY START TO LOOK, FEEL, AND FUNCTION LIKE? ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THAT, HOW DO WE, UM, ENSURE THAT EVERY DECISION IS MADE IS, IS MADE IN A WAY THAT'S COMPLIMENTARY WITH THAT VISION, RIGHT? IS ADDITIVE FOR YOU ALL.
SO IT'S A, IT'S TRULY A LONG-TERM EXERCISE.
UH, AND WHAT WE'RE SHOWING HERE RIGHT NOW AND THINKING ABOUT FUTURE LAND USE IS REALLY A WORKING MAP.
AS WE CONTEMPLATE THESE ISSUES AND THINK ABOUT THESE THINGS MOVING FORWARD, WHERE DO WE START TO PLACE SOME OF THESE PIECES? UM, THE TWO THINGS I WOULD DIRECT YOU TO THOUGH, WHERE WE SPEND A LOT OF TIME HERE TODAY IS JUST THINKING ABOUT THE FOCUS AREAS THEMSELVES.
SO WE IDENTIFY THESE PLACES BECAUSE THERE'S A PARTICULAR SUSCEPTIBILITY TO CHANGE.
ONE, WE'RE ALREADY SEEING IT, RIGHT? THERE ARE ALREADY PROPOSALS THAT HAVE BEEN MADE.
OR TWO, IT'S SOME OF THE CHARACTERISTICS, UM, UH, UH, OF THE, THE LAND USE MAKEUP OF THE BUILDING OWNERSHIP THAT MAKE THESE AREAS, UH, IMPORTANT TO STUDY IN A LITTLE BIT FINER GRAIN AND DETAIL.
YOU TALKED ABOUT SOME OF THE CAPACITY AND SOME OF THE ENABLING WORK THAT WOULD NEED TO GO ON.
STREETS AND PATHWAYS ARE, UH, MAYBE THE MOST IMPORTANT, UM, DISCUSSION TO HAVE HERE.
INTERSECTION, UH, IMPROVEMENTS, UH, ACCESS DRIVES, UH, IN, IN THE PATHWAY SYSTEM AS WELL.
THOSE ARE, UH, UH, UH, FIRST STEPS THAT WE'RE DISCUSSING, YOU KNOW, WITHIN THIS WORK, NOT SECONDARY.
ONE EXAMPLE OF THIS, AND I USE THIS AS REALLY AS EXAMPLES, IS THIS IDEA THAT'S BEEN WITH US FOR QUITE A WHILE ACTUALLY, IS THIS IDEA ABOUT NEW CONNECTIONS.
AND I'M PICKING ON THIS SORT OF NORTHWEST QUADRANT GREENWOOD, UM, TO PALMETTO AS ONE EXAMPLE.
THERE ARE OTHER EXAMPLES THAT ARE OUT, UH, WITHIN, UM, OUR DISTRICT OVERALL, BUT MAKING SOME OF THESE CONNECTIONS CAN ALLOW YOU TO THINK ABOUT THE NEXT STEP, RIGHT? SO WE POINT THIS ONE OUT, WE HIGHLIGHT THIS ONE BECAUSE IT CREATES AN OPPORTUNITY TO DO SOMETHING, UH, UH, ELSE AND ADDRESS SOME CONTEMPORARY ISSUES THAT WE KNOW WE HAVE, UH, TODAY IN THE DISTRICT.
AL THERE'S A LOT OF HISTORY ON THAT, UH, RECOMMENDATION.
UM, IS THERE ANY NEW INFORMATION THAT SUGGESTS THINGS HAVE CHANGED? WELL, YOU KNOW, ONLY TO SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, WITHIN THE CORRIDORS PLANNING WORK THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, THAT'S BEEN GOING ON NOW FOR THE LAST YEAR OR SO.
UM, THE, THE, A LOT OF THE A D T VALUES, TRAFFIC VOLUMES HAVE ONLY INCREASED IN THIS DISTRICT, AS YOU ALL WELL
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KNOW.AS BRYSON POINTS OUT ACTIVITY EVEN FARTHER SOUTH TOWARD THE BEACH ON THIS, WE KNOW THAT THESE PRESSURES ARE, ARE CONTINUING TO GROW.
UH, WE ALSO KNOW, I THINK WITHIN THIS, IN STUDYING, NOT NECESSARILY ALIGNMENTS, AND I DON'T WANT YOU TO TAKE THAT AS AN ALIGNMENT, BUT THAT THESE OPPORTUNITIES, UM, IN TERMS OF A LAND USE, UH, YOU KNOW, MAY BE VIABLE.
UH, JUST LOOKING AT THE GEOMETRY, LOOKING AT THE LAND, UH, IT IS A, A REALISTIC PROPOSAL.
UM, BUT WHAT'S CRITICAL IN THIS IS TO SAY WE'RE NOT JUST DOING IT TO DO IT.
I THINK MR. AMES, RIGHT? WHAT THERE'S A PURPOSE BEHIND THIS CONNECTION.
UM, AND SOME OF IT MAY BE, UH, INTUITIVE, BUT THE OTHER PART OF THIS IS WHEN WE GET IN, WE TALK ABOUT THE LAND USE WORK, IS WHAT DOES THIS ALLOW US TO DO IN THE NEXT CHAPTER AS WELL, RIGHT? SO WHAT IS THE CHARACTER OF THIS CONNECTION AND HOW DOES IT PLAY INTO A BROADER STRATEGY FOR THE OVERALL ISLAND? MY SUGGESTION WOULD BE TO VET THAT IDEA AS EARLY AS POSSIBLE BECAUSE OF THE HISTORY OF ITS FAILURE.
I SEE, I SEE THE ARROW ROAD FOCUS AREA AS THE LOW HANGING FRUIT IN FRONT OF US.
THAT IS AN AREA THAT NEEDS TO BE CAREFULLY PLANNED.
WE NEED TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE OPPORTUNITIES THERE AND MAKE DECISIONS ABOUT WHAT DO WE WANT TO HAVE THERE IN THE NEAR TERM, BECAUSE THAT'S AN AREA THAT IS RIPE FOR DEVELOPMENT.
WELL, AND IF YOU WANT, LET'S JUST JUMP INTO THAT, MR. STANFORD.
'CAUSE I, I, I TOTALLY AGREE WITH YOU, AND I THINK IN A LOT OF WAYS WE TALK ABOUT THE ARROW, UH, ARROW ROAD, OR WE TALK ABOUT THE FOCUS AREAS IN GENERAL.
IT'S ABOUT DEVELOPING OUT THAT FIRST ARGUMENT, RIGHT? AS A COMMUNITY, WHAT DO YOU WANNA SEE? YOU KNOW, UH, BECAUSE THAT VISION WILL BE WRITTEN FOR YOU IF WE DON'T DEFINE IT, RIGHT? SO WHAT WE'VE TRIED TO DO IN THIS WORK IS IDENTIFY SOME AREAS WHERE WE KNOW THERE'S GONNA BE THAT PRESSURE GROWING OVER TIME AND DEVELOP OUT THAT FIRST STATEMENT OF THIS IS WHAT THIS IS GOING TO, UH, SLOWLY, INCREMENTALLY TRANSFORM INTO.
AND WHY HERE SOME KEY POINTS HERE.
UM, GENERALLY THIS IS RELATIVELY NEUTRAL GROUND, JUST IN TERMS OF WHERE WE ARE.
THERE IS SOME INCREMENTAL CHANGE THAT IS, IS POSSIBLE.
AND WHAT I MEAN HERE IN THE SHORT TO MIDTERM, SHORT TERM BEING ONE TO FIVE TO SEVEN YEARS, UH, UH, OUT FROM THE ADOPTION OF OUR PLAN, WE KNOW THAT THERE'S ALREADY CHANGES THAT ARE BEING PROPOSED.
SO WHY NOT GET IN TROUBLE, GET IN, UH, GET IN FRONT OF THAT WORK AS IT'S OCCURRING.
IF WE COULD START, WE'VE GOT TWO FOCUS AREAS THAT ARE PART OF OUR PACKAGE WITHIN BRIDGE TO BEACH, UM, ARROW ROAD, PERHAPS, UH, UM, MOST INTERESTING, UH, ABOUT A HUNDRED ACRES RIGHT NOW.
I TALKED ABOUT DIVERSITY ABOUT AS MIXED OF A, A FOCUS AREA WE MAY LOOK AT THROUGHOUT THIS PROCESS, BUT ALSO A LITTLE BIT OLDER IN TERMS OF, OF BUILDING ABOUT 41 YEARS IS THE AVERAGE, UH, BUILDING AGE THAT WE DEAL WITH HERE.
UH, TOWN OWNED PROPERTY THAT EXISTS WITHIN, UM, WITHIN THIS CORRIDOR.
WE TALK ABOUT CORRIDOR, YOU SEE ARROW ROAD KIND OF IN THE CENTER OF, OF, OF OUR DISTRICT THAT'S REALLY THIS SPINE, UH, THAT WE ARE PLANNING AROUND AS WE USE AND, AND PURSUE THIS WORK.
ALSO, A PATHWAY TO THE FAR FAR EAST, ALTHOUGH THIS MAP IS TILTED A LITTLE BIT, SO MAYBE NOT TRUE EAST, BUT LET'S SAY TO THE RIGHT OF OUR, OUR PLANNING AREA, THAT'S GONNA BE A CRITICAL LEVERAGE POINT AS WELL.
I ALMOST CAUGHT YOU AT THAT SLIDE
UM, SO THIS EXCLUDES THE CROSSINGS PARK AREA.
AM I LOOKING AT THIS MAP CORRECTLY? IT, IT DOES.
I THINK, YOU KNOW, ONE THING I WOULD POINT OUT THOUGH, WITH OUR BOUNDARIES, WITH THE FOCUS AREAS, THEY'RE RELATIVELY SOFT, YOU KNOW, AND FEATHERED AT THE SIDE, THERE'S SOME AREAS WHERE YOU HAVE SOME REAL, UH, UM, REAL CLOSE LOOK, BUT WE KNOW THAT A DECISION HERE INFLUENCES A DECISION THERE, RIGHT? AND WE SEE CROSSINGS PARK AS A MAJOR ASSET TO THIS AREA AS WELL.
AND THERE ARE TWO REASONS I ASK ABOUT THAT.
ONE IS, UM, THE TOWN DOES OWN PROPERTY IN THIS, IN THE AREA THAT'S OUTLINED AS THE TARGET AREA, EXCLUDING CROSSINGS PARK, BUT THAT'S ALSO TOWN PROPERTY.
AND, AND THE PREVIOUS MAPS SHOWN OF THIS DISTRICT CROSSINGS PARK IS INCLUDED.
UM, AND THE OTHER REASON IS BECAUSE IN THE PREVIOUS PLANS, IT POINTED OUT THE IMPORTANCE OF PARKS AND HABITAT CONNECTIONS.
AND UM, SO WHETHER YOU HAVE CROSSINGS PARK IN OR OUT, THERE'S SOME CONNECTION THERE TO THE PREVIOUS PLAN.
AND, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT ASSET IS, UM, IS, IS NOT FORGOTTEN BY OUR TEAM.
I THINK AS WE TALK ABOUT SOME OF THE ADVANTAGES HERE, THAT'S ONE OF THE MA MAJOR PIECES OF LEVERAGE THAT WE'VE GOT, UH, HERE MOVING FORWARD.
AND IN ADDITION TO THAT PATHWAY THAT WE WANNA TALK ABOUT HERE IN JUST A MOMENT, Z'S GONNA, AND, UH, Z KNOWS, IS GONNA TALK ABOUT THAT MORE, SOME BIG PIECES ON THE OPPORTUNITY.
ONE, THAT THERE IS A REAL OPPORTUNITY WITH THIS ZONE.
UM, YOU KNOW, WHAT DO WE DO HERE? WHAT'S THE VISION? WHAT'S THE MESSAGE MOVING FORWARD? AND SOME WORDS THAT KEEP POPPING UP, AND ESPECIALLY AS THE, WE DISCUSSED WITH THE COMMUNITY MORE THIS IDEA OF A DESTINATION, UM, AT DESTINATION, YOU KNOW, FOR FULL-TIME RESIDENTS, UH, FOR LONG-TERM RESIDENTS,
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MAYBE FOR VISITORS AS WELL.BUT THE IDEA THAT THIS CAN TRANSFORM THROUGH SOME INCREMENTAL, INCREMENTAL STEPS AND ALSO SOME LARGER, LIKE I SAID, LARGER LEAPS HERE INTO A REAL VIBRANT, UH, UH, UH, POINT OF EMPHASIS FOR YOUR COMMUNITY MOVING FORWARD.
SOME KEY WORDS IN THIS THAT, THAT REALLY RIFF OFF THE SPIRIT AND AUTHENTICITY OF THIS PLACE, THE ISLAND PARK ORIENTED, UM, YOU KNOW, BIKE AND PEDESTRIAN ACCESS, THOSE TWO THINGS BEING AS GIVEN, UH, IN THE WORK, THE CHARACTER PEOPLE, UH, ENVIRONMENT, REALLY DRIVE A PROGRAM TO BUILD THIS DESTINATION, UH, UH, AND, AND NEIGHBORHOOD ULTIMATELY FOR YOUR, UH, YOUR COMMUNITY MOVING FORWARD.
SO I THINK WE HAVE TO BE A LITTLE BIT MORE DELIBERATE IN SAYING WHAT OUR VISION IS FOR THIS PARTICULAR AREA OF THE ISLAND, HOW IT FITS INTO THE REST OF THE ISLAND, BUT, UM, EVERYTHING TO DO WITH HOW YOU'RE GOING TO SPEND YOUR MONEY, WHAT THE ARCHITECTURE'S GONNA LOOK LIKE, WHAT THE BUILDINGS, HOW THE BUILDINGS ARE GOING TO, UH, REACT TO ONE ANOTHER.
SO I, I THINK WE HAVE TO BE MORE DELIBERATE, MORE SPECIFIED IN WHO WE ARE ACTUALLY TRYING TO BUILD THIS FOR.
MY PERSPECTIVE IS PART OF THE CONVERSATION.
EVERYTHING WE DO ON THIS ISLAND, WE DO FIRST AND FOREMOST FOR OUR RESIDENTS WITH A WELCOMING OPENING TO OUR VISITORS WHO HELP SUPPORT US AND THEN BECOME OUR FUTURE RESIDENTS.
AND WE START TO THINK ABOUT THIS IN TERMS OF A STUDY, AND I WANT YOU TO VIEW THIS AS, AS SUCH, UM, YOU KNOW, WHERE DO WE START TO STACK AND LAYER SOME MOVES AND THINK ABOUT SOME OPPORTUNITIES? WE, WE DO HAVE A, A FAIRLY LARGE PLANNING AREA THAT WE'VE IDENTIFIED WITHIN THIS WORK.
AND WHAT I DON'T WANT YOU TO, TO NECESSARILY FOCUS ON TOO MUCH IS THE ONE, THE BOXES.
'CAUSE THE BOXES ARE REALLY JUST A WAY OF TESTING AND THINKING ABOUT CAPACITY, THINKING ABOUT WHERE AND WHEN.
THE OTHER PART OF THIS I WANT YOU TO THINK ABOUT, THOUGH, IS WHERE THOSE, THOSE KEY ASSETS EXIST.
SO ONE THING THAT WE SEE WITHIN THIS IS, YOU KNOW, THIS IS GONNA TALK ABOUT THIS A LOT MORE, IS THE IDEA OF THE PATHWAY CONNECTION FROM THE NORTH TO THE SOUTH, BUT ALSO INTO SOME OF OUR, UM, UH, OUR, OUR NEIGHBORHOODS THAT SURROUND THIS AREA.
HOW DO WE CREATE A MULTIMODAL ACCESS POINT INTO THE DISTRICT? WE THINK ABOUT ESTABLISHING, YOU KNOW, A REAL CENTER OF GRAVITY IN THIS PLACE, RIGHT? WE THINK ABOUT THAT VIBRANT DESTINATION.
WHAT DO THEY ALL SHARE? SO SOME COMMON DENOMINATOR, SOME COMMON CHARACTERISTICS ABOUT A PLACE WHERE PEOPLE GATHER, UM, THE D N A OF OF HILTON HEAD THAT'S VERY GREEN.
YOU KNOW, A KEY COMPONENT OF THIS IS THAT EVERY ASPECT OF THIS IS, IS, UH, UH, UM, VERY GREEN, WELL LANDSCAPED CONNECTED IN WAYS THAT BUILD OFF OF THAT PATHWAY NETWORK AND CREATE MULTIPLE WAYS OF GETTING AROUND.
AND THEN A CORE PUBLIC INVESTMENT HERE THAT WE THINK ABOUT MOVING FORWARD IS THIS IDEA OF WHAT ARROW ROAD COULD BE, COULD MEAN FOR THIS AS A POTENTIAL SIGNATURE STREET THAT COMPLIMENTS ALL OF THE WORK THAT MAY HAPPEN OUTSIDE OF THE RIGHT OF WAY WITH SOME INVESTMENTS BEING MADE INSIDE THE RIGHT OF WAY.
AND I WANTED TO BRING XENOS UP HERE TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT SOME OF THESE BIG MOVES.
THEY'RE NOT THE ONLY MOVES, BUT SOME OPPORTUNITIES THAT WE SEE WITHIN THIS DISTRICT IN PARTICULAR, STARTING WITH THIS IDEA OF, SORRY, SCALE.
ONE IS THERE'S A GREAT BIKE WALKING PATHWAY.
UM, THAT'S ONLY A, THE LAGOON, UH, WHERE IT SAYS NORTH SOUTH PARKWAY.
UM, THERE'S A GREAT BIKING WALKING PATHWAY THERE, AND MAYBE YOU'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT IT, BUT I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE NOTE THAT IT'S A, OTHERWISE IT'S A VERY DIFFICULT AREA TO NAVIGATE THROUGH ON A BICYCLE, ESPECIALLY, I KNOW, UM, THERE'S, UH, AT LEAST ONE MAJOR, UH, BICYCLE SHOP ON ARROW ROAD, AND GETTING TO AND FROM THAT BY BICYCLE IS VERY DIFFICULT FOR BICYCLISTS.
UM, IN ADDITION TO THAT, UM, THE, THE COLORS ON HERE, THERE'S NO LEGEND.
SO I'M GOING LIKE, WELL, IS RED SUPPOSED TO BE OFFICE? IS PURPLE HOUSING? WHAT'S YELLOW? ANYHOW, WHAT'S THE REASON FOR HAVING THESE COLORS ON HERE? YEAH, I, I CAN SPEAK TO THAT ZE AND HAMMER AT HOME.
I THINK ONE, ONE THING WE'RE TRYING TO POINT OUT HERE IS THAT WE'VE GOT NEIGHBORS WITH
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THIS DISTRICT AS WELL, RIGHT? SO ONE THING THAT WE WANT TO BE VERY DELIBERATE ABOUT IS THE STITCHING BETWEEN WHATEVER HAPPENS HERE IN THE FUTURE.AND THE NEIGHBORS THAT ALREADY EXIST, WHETHER THAT'S WEXFORD, IT'S THE UPSIDE OF THIS MAP HERE AT SEA PINES OF THE SOUTH OF THE BOTTOM SIDE OF THIS IS THAT THERE'S A, WE USE THIS TERM TRANSECT A LOT, THAT THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF A HUMP TO THE WORK, RIGHT? SO AS WE GET IN THE YELLOW, AS WE THINK ABOUT THE CENTER OF THIS, MAYBE THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO SOMETHING THAT'S A, HAS A LITTLE BIT MORE ACTIVITY WITHIN IT.
BUT AS WE SLOPE OFF TO OUR, TO OUR SIDES, THAT THERE'S A RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN WHAT WE'RE, UH, WHAT WE'RE PLANNING FOR AND WHAT EXISTS THERE TODAY.
AND THAT THIS DISTRICT BECOMES A GOOD NEIGHBOR TO WHAT'S OUTSIDE OF IT, BUT BECOMES A GREAT NEIGHBOR ALSO TO WHAT'S INSIDE AS WELL.
SO YELLOW, YOU KNOW, TALKING ABOUT GENERALLY SOME MIXES OF, OF USES WITHIN THIS THING, BUT ULTIMATELY THAT THIS IS A REALLY A, UM, A, A MIXED USE DISTRICT OVERALL.
THERE'S A LOT OF OPPORTUNITY BAKED IN.
WHEN YOU SEE COLOR CODING LIKE THAT, YOU IMMEDIATELY TRY, AT LEAST I DO TRY TO FIND THE LEGEND.
AND WHAT DO THOSE COLOR CODES MEAN? MAP AND YELLOW IS THE HOT AREA.
PICKING UP ON WHAT SHE'S SAYING, IT SEEMS TO ME THAT THIS MAP WOULD BE MUCH MORE USEFUL IF WE SHOWED COUNT ON PROPERTY VERSUS PRIVATELY OWNED PROPERTY.
WE'LL, UH, CONTINUE TO WORK ON THIS.
LIKE I SAID, EVERYTHING WE'RE WORKING HERE IS A WORKING, YOU KNOW, WORKING DIAGRAM AS WE MOVE FORWARD.
AND, UM, I WANNA BRING Z UP 'CAUSE I WANT TIM TO TALK ABOUT ONE PARTICULAR SET OF IDEAS HERE BEFORE WE GOT THAT Z I FORGOT ABOUT THIS SLIDE.
SO WE DO WANNA THINK ABOUT SCALE, THOUGH.
AND ONE, ONE THING THAT OUR PARTNERS WITH GENSLER HAVE HELPED US ON WITH THIS IS TRYING TO PLACE IN SOME, MAYBE SOME RELATABLE, UH, UH, PROJECTS THAT ARE FROM AROUND OUR REGION.
UH, NOT TO SAY THAT THIS WILL LOOK JUST LIKE THAT, BUT WE THINK ABOUT, UH, YOU KNOW, BLUFFED AND OLD TOWN A LOT IN THE CONTEXT OF WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE.
AND ONE PARTICULAR BLOCK HERE.
WE, WE MAP THAT ON TOP OF, UM, OUR CURRENT AREA JUST TO SHOW THE AMOUNT OF SPACE AND ROOM WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, WITHIN THIS ARROW ROAD CORRIDOR TO CONTEMPLATE, YOU KNOW, THE FUTURE OF THESE USES MOVING FORWARD.
BUT SEE, I WANT YOU TO TALK ABOUT THIS NORTH, SOUTH PATH AND JUST WHY IT'S SUCH AN IMPORTANT ASSET HERE.
HOW ARE YA
I THINK THAT THERE ARE SOME COMPONENTS BUILT INTO THIS PLAN THAT WILL ADDRESS THOSE.
KEEP IN MIND THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS IS A FLUID DOCUMENT, SO, YOU KNOW, WE OBVIOUSLY CAN MAKE SOME UPDATES TO IT, UH, BASED ON WHAT WE HEAR, UH, TODAY.
BUT WHAT I, FIRST OF ALL, I, WHAT I, I LOOK AT THIS AS A DISTRICT, BUT MORE SO A NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, CREATING NEIGHBORHOODS FOR PEOPLE, UM, RESIDENTS AS, AS YOU, UH, SO ELOQUENTLY, UH, DESCRIBED.
UM, AND ULTIMATELY, YOU KNOW, THESE, THIS IS AN PLACE FOR EXPERIENCES FOR OUR RESIDENTS.
SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT CREATING, UH, WITHIN THIS OUR ROAD CORRIDOR.
UH, THIS, THIS FIRST SLIDE, UH, I'M, I'M GONNA KIND OF LEAD YOU FROM THE PATHWAY, UH, NEXT TO WEXFORD OVER TO OUR ROAD, AND THEN INTO WHAT WE'RE CALLING THE CENTER OF GRAVITY.
SO, UH, WE TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT, UM, THE CONNECTIVITY TO THE PATHWAYS.
THAT IS AN IMPORTANT PART THAT, THAT WE THINK WE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S SO MANY PEOPLE THAT RIDE OVER THE BRIDGE ON THE BIKES OR JUST THROUGH THEIR PATH, YOU KNOW, RIDING ON THE STREETS, COMING, YOU KNOW, FROM TOWN HALL, UH, IF YOU WILL, SO ARE THE TOWN HALL AREA.
SO WE'RE LOOKING AT MAKING MORE DEFINED CONNECTIVITY TO THOSE PATHWAYS, UH, WHERE YOU ACTUALLY HAVE STOPS AND WHERE YOU, YOU ACTUALLY COULD HAVE BUSINESSES THAT ARE MORE ORIENTED TO, UH, THAT TYPE OF TRAFFIC.
NOT JUST VEHICULAR TRAFFIC, BUT ALSO, UH, BIKE TRAFFIC AS WELL.
UH, CREATING SOME OF THOSE EXPERIENCES.
AND WE'LL GET INTO SOME OF THE ARCHITECTURAL SIDE IN A MOMENT.
BUT THAT IS ONE THING THAT'S, UH, EXTREMELY IMPORTANT.
UH, PART OF WHAT YOU'RE SEEING IN THE LOWER RIGHT, UM, UH, SIDE OF THE SLIDE IS THOSE NEW CONNECTIVITY, UM, UM, PATHWAYS, IF YOU WILL, FROM THAT, FROM THAT BIKE PATH.
UH, WE'RE LOOKING, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT HELPS TO FIND, UH, NEIGHBORHOODS IS A GRID, IS A GRID PATTERN, A BLOCK PATTERN.
AND THAT'S WHAT WE'VE, WE'VE TRIED TO DO, UH, WITH THE HELP OF M M K S K, UH, TO DEFINE THESE ZONES, IF YOU WILL, THESE ZONES.
UM, AGAIN, UH, LOOKING AT THE TOP, UH, LEFT, EXCUSE ME, THE TOP RIGHT, UM, ILLUSTRATION, THAT'S A BIKE PATH,
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UM, THAT, AS AN EXAMPLE, THAT HAS SOME CONNECTIVITY, UH, TO BUSINESSES.ON ONE SIDE, WHAT YOU'LL SEE IN THE, THE COMING SLIDES IS THAT WE'RE TRYING TO CREATE TWO FRONT DOORS.
UH, BUSINESSES COULD ACTUALLY HAVE ONE FRONT DOOR THAT, YOU KNOW, UM, THAT LOOKS AT THE BIKE PATH, AND IS IT, IT TAKES THAT INTO CONSIDERATION, BUT ALSO ON THE OTHER SIDE, IT COULD BE A STREET.
SO, AND YOU'LL SEE THAT ONCE WE MOVE OVER TO THE, UH, TO THE ARROW ROAD SLIDE NEXT ONE.
UH, THESE ARE EXAMPLES, UM, OF, UH, AND AGAIN, DON'T, I, I WOULDN'T PAY TOO MUCH ATTENTION, UH, TO THE SCALE OF THESE BUILDINGS, BUT WE'RE THIS, THESE SLIDES TALK MORE ABOUT THE GREEN SPACE THAT IS, THAT IS KEPT, AND THAT IS THAT WE WANT TO MAIN MAINTAIN IN THIS AREA, BUT ALSO TO MAKE THESE AREAS WALKABLE AND, YOU KNOW, UH, YOU KNOW, MORE PEDESTRIAN FRIENDLY, IF YOU WILL, AND NOT JUST HAVING CARS THAT ARE JUST DRIVING DOWN TO 50 MILES AN HOUR AS THEY CURRENTLY DO, UM, ON
WHAT'S THE CURRENT RIGHT OF WAY ON ARROW ROAD, RIGHT OF WAY? IS THERE, IT DOES FLUCTUATE A LITTLE BIT.
WITH THE 60 FOOT RIGHT HERE IS, WE'RE WORKING WITH THE CURRENT GEOMETRY OF, OF, OF THE ROAD TODAY, THE RIGHT OF WAY THERE.
SO I MEAN, THE, THESE ARE, AGAIN, THESE ARE OPTIONS TO HAVE, UM, MORE ON STREET PARKING THERE, UH, STILL, UM, YOU KNOW, IN SPECIFIC LOCATIONS.
UH, BUT AGAIN, CREATING A PATHWAY THAT, UH, IS, IS MORE OF AN EXPERIENCE AND NOT JUST, UH, SOMEWHAT OF A DRIVE BY, YOU KNOW, AND YOU'RE NOT EXPERIENCING, UH, THE BEAUTY OF WHAT COULD BE OUR ASK THE QUESTION.
UM, AND I REALIZE THE IMAGES ARE STOCK IMAGES AND THE REST, THE ROADWAY, THE RIGHT OF WAY BEING 60 FEET.
UM, THAT'S AN, THAT WOULD BE A FULL EXPANSION OVER AND ABOVE WHAT IS CURRENTLY JUST TWO LANE ROAD.
WHEN WE TALK ABOUT EXPERIENCES AS JUST A GENERAL COMMENT, THE EXPERIENCE IN ORDER TO ACCOMPLISH THIS IS TO TAKE AWAY THE GREEN, TO TAKE AWAY MORE TREES, INTERRUPT OUR ENVIRONMENT AND OUR NATURAL RESOURCES THERE.
I, I, I, I THINK IT LITERALLY MAKES ME EMOTIONAL OKAY.
TO SEE OR THINK ABOUT THE FACT THAT WE WOULD BE TAKING UP THAT TO CREATE MORE PARKING AND MORE TRAFFIC AND MORE URBANISTIC TYPE OF A SETTING.
JUST A COMMENT THAT I HOPE IS WELL TAKEN.
UM, SO TH THIS IS, THIS IS BASICALLY, YOU KNOW, S SOME POINTS THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO, UH, TO ILLUSTRATE THAT THERE IS GONNA BE CONNECTIVITY FROM OUR ROAD, ULTIMATELY GOING INTO, UH, WHAT WE WOULD CONSIDER, UH, YOU KNOW, OUR CENTER OF GRAVITY, WHICH IS CREATING THIS ALMOST PUBLIC SQUARE, IF YOU WILL.
UH, THAT IS NOT THERE RIGHT NOW.
UM, I KNOW THE ONE QUESTION CAME UP ABOUT HOUSING AND WHAT THESE, WHAT THIS COULD BE, YOU KNOW, THIS, THIS COULD BE MIXED USE.
IT COULD BE, UH, YOU KNOW, RETAIL ON, ON THE FIRST, ON THE GROUND LEVEL, AND IT COULD BE RESIDENTIAL UP ABOVE, UH, LOOKING INWARDS TO THIS PUBLIC SQUARE, IF YOU WILL, CREATING THIS GREEN SPACE AS, AS MANY OF YOU HAD.
WE SHOWED IN THE ILLUSTRATION EARLIER, I'VE BEEN TO, UH, THE PROMENADE IN, IN, UM, IN, UM, IN BLUFFTON, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, MAYBE NOT AT THAT SAME SCALE, BUT YOU KNOW, IT'S CREATING THIS TOWN CENTER, IF YOU WILL, OR PUBLIC SQUARE, UH, WITHIN THAT, UH, CENTER OF GRAVITY AREA AS WELL.
AND SEE IF I COULD TAG ON JUST A LITTLE BIT OF THIS TO, TO REACT TO, UH, MS. BECKER'S POINT.
I THINK ONE, ONE IMPORTANT CHARACTERISTIC IS THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE GREEN SIDES, UH, OF YOUR COMMUNITY AND THIS AS WELL, AND THE OPPORTUNITY TO ACTUALLY EXPAND ON SOME OF THOSE CORRIDORS, YOU KNOW, IN, INTO THE FUTURE.
SO WHERE WE SHOW GREEN, THERE'S A REAL INTENTIONALITY AND RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE PARK, MINI PARK, PARKLET, WHATEVER YOU WANNA SAY, AND WHAT WOULD BE HAPPENING IN THE REAL ESTATE AS WELL.
A REAL VALUE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THOSE TWO ELEMENTS, WHETHER IT'S IN THE TREE PLANTING, WHETHER IT'S A PROGRAM SPACE, THE, A KEY ELEMENT, A KEY CHARACTERISTIC OF THIS IS THE ONE THAT YOU'VE ALREADY GOT, WHICH IS THAT IT IS, UH, IT IS PARK ORIENTED, IT'S GREEN ORIENTED ULTIMATELY.
AND, AND ONE POINT HERE TOO IS AGAIN, AS, AS KYLE HAS SAID BEFORE, YOU KNOW, THESE CHANGES ARE, UH, DON'T HAPPEN DAY ONE.
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YOU KNOW, THEY'RE OVER A PERIOD OF TIME, UH, AND THEY EVOLVE OVER A PERIOD OF TIME.SO, UH, JUST WANT TO MAKE THAT, YOU KNOW, LET ME INTERRUPT FOR JUST A SECOND, MISSY.
UM, ARE WE GETTING TOO GRANULAR WITH OUR COMMENTS IN ORDER TO GET THROUGH THIS? OR ARE WE, ARE COMMENTS BEING RECEIVED SOME VALUE? I'M JUST THINKING ABOUT THE TIME WE'RE COMMITTING TO THIS PRESENTATION.
I THINK IT'S ALL VERY HELPFUL FOR US AS THE TEAM TO HEAR YOUR THOUGHTS AND IDEAS ON DIRECTION SETTING FOR HOW WE REFINE THIS AND, UH, MOVE AHEAD TOWARD, UM, THE IMPLEMENTATION THAT WOULD BE REQUIRED FOR THE VISION.
SO I THINK WE'RE ON THE RIGHT TRACK.
THE, THE PRESENTATION, WE'RE ALMOST THROUGH THE SUBSTANTIVE PART.
AND, UM, SO WE'RE, WE'RE GETTING CLOSE.
SO, UM, WHERE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE CENTER OF GRAVITY, AND, AND AGAIN, I, I WOULD LOOK, YOU KNOW, WE TALKED ABOUT THE COLORS, UH, THAT, THAT ARE ILLUSTRATED HERE NOW, BUT THE WAY WE ENVISION THE SCALE OF THESE BUILDINGS, UH, ARE, UH, EXISTING BUILDINGS JUST BEING, UM, YOU KNOW, MODERNIZED OR, OR, UH, REFURBISHED A LITTLE BIT IS ALONG THE, UM, THE PATHWAY, UH, RIGHT UP NEXT TO, TO WEXFORD.
WE'RE LOOKING AT ONE STORY, KEEPING THOSE AT, AT, AT A SCALE THAT IS, IS LOW WHILE BUILDING UP, ONCE YOU GET TO THAT CENTRAL, ONCE YOU GET ACROSS OUR ROAD, UH, BUILDINGS WOULD BE OR COULD BE, YOU KNOW, ONE TO TWO STORY BUILDINGS IN, IN THOSE AREAS WITH, UH, LIKE WE SAID, RETAIL AT THE, AT THE GROUND FLOOR LEVEL, AND RESIDENTIAL UP ABOVE, AND THEN SCALING BACK DOWN, UM, YOU KNOW, TO ONE, TO TWO STORIES ALONG, UH, PALMETTO BAY ROAD.
SO THAT WOULD BE THE, YOU WOULDN'T HAVE LARGE ANY LARGE BUILDINGS UP AGAINST THE WEXFORD EDGE, UH, BUT MORE, UH, THE CENTRAL, UH, CENTRALIZED AREA.
YOU'D HAVE TALLER BUILDINGS, I SHOULD SAY, ALONG PALMETTO BAY ROAD.
PALMETTO BAY ROAD WOULD, AGAIN, THOSE COULD BE ONE TO TWO STORY, JUST TWO STORY BUILDINGS.
YOU, YOU HAVE EXAMPLES OF THOSE ALREADY IN, IN THAT AREA.
SO IT, WE ARE LOOKING AT TRYING TO MAINTAIN THAT SCALE.
I THINK IT'S, THAT'S THE GREEN BUFFER.
WHAT'S THAT? IN PALMETTO ROAD? IN THE, IN THE, YES.
UM, SO IF I OWN ONE OF THESE BUILDINGS IN THIS AREA RIGHT NOW, I'M EITHER SITTING HERE IN THIS ROOM OR OUT WATCHING THE VIDEO OR LATER LOOKING AT IT GOING LIKE, BUT I OWN PROPERTY RIGHT THERE.
WHAT'S THE TOWN GONNA DO TO ME? OF COURSE.
AND WHY ARE YOU, WHY, WHY DO YOU THINK YOU CAN OWN MY BUILDING AND CHANGE IT? YEAH.
SO I THINK WE NEED TO BE A LITTLE SENSITIVE TO, UM, EXISTING STRUCTURES, AND OF COURSE, ABSOLUTELY.
I, I, I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, THE APPROACH TO MAYBE NOT JUST A LITTLE VERY SENSE.
I THINK THE, YOU KNOW, THE APPROACH TO, UH, YOU KNOW, AND THESE ARE JUST ILLUSTRATIONS, BUT I, I THINK THE APPROACH TO, UM, YOU KNOW, WHEN, WHEN BUILDINGS ARE, UH, REMODELED, IF YOU WILL, THEY COULD BE, YOU KNOW, WE'VE SEEN EXAMPLES ALL OVER THE PLACE WHERE IT'S THE SAME OWNER.
UM, BUT, YOU KNOW, IT COULD BE THAT NEW AWNING THAT'S PUT ON THAT BUILDING THAT ADDRESSES THE, THE TWO FRONT DOOR, UH, ILLUSTRATIONS THAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT.
SO, YOU KNOW, THERE COULD BE SOME MINOR MODIFICATIONS TO BUILDINGS THAT, YOU KNOW, STILL KEEPS THAT SA THAT SAME OWNER OR THAT, YOU KNOW, UM, UH, PERSON THAT'S LEASING THAT BUILDING IN, IN THAT SPACE.
YOU KNOW, I THINK THE QUESTION ABOUT IMPOSING THINGS ON PROPERTY OWNERS, THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE ABOUT HERE.
WE WANT TO INCENTIVIZE THEM ABSOLUTELY.
TO TAKE THESE TYPES OF ACTIONS, AND WE'VE GOT TOOLS THAT WE CAN USE TO DO THAT.
THAT, MY POINT IS THAT THE, THE DISTRICT PLAN, I THINK WE NEED TO LOOK, BE, IN THIS CASE A LITTLE MORE CONCEPTUAL, BECAUSE TO ME, IT LOOKS LIKE A REDEVELOPMENT PLAN.
AND, AND TO BE QUITE, QUITE CLEAR, MS. BRYON, THIS IS A LONG-TERM VISION THAT WE'RE, WE'RE DEALING IN, RIGHT? AND I FULLY TAKE YOUR POINT ON CONCEPTUAL VERSUS THE REDEVELOPMENT PLAN, THAT'S NOT WE INTEND.
SO NOT TO LABOR IT OR DELAY MOVING ON TO THE NEXT THING, BUT TO GLEN'S POINT, RIGHT? INCENTIVIZING PEOPLE TO IMPROVEMENT, ALWAYS A POSITIVE STEP, OF COURSE, AND CERTAINLY PART OF OUR CURRENT L M O.
SO IT, AND TO PATSY'S POINT, I, I HEAR HER, WHAT I'VE HEARD NOW TWICE ALSO SAID IS THIS IS A LONG-TERM VISION, RIGHT? KIND OF INSINUATING THAT THIS IS WHERE WE WANT TO GET TO, BUT IT'LL TAKE US SOME TIME TO GET THERE.
WHAT I'M SAYING IS THAT PERHAPS
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THAT LONG-TERM VISION MAY BE AFFECTING THE GENERATIONS TO COME THEN, AND NOT NECESSARILY THOSE OF US SITTING HERE OR EVEN OUT IN THE AUDIENCE OR LIVING ON THE ISLAND CURRENTLY.THOSE ARE THE FOLKS I'M WORRIED ABOUT.
I'M NOT LOOKING OUT FOR MYSELF, RIGHT? I'M LOOKING OUT FOR THIS FURTHER GENERATIONS, RIGHT? SO THAT THEY CAN HAVE THE SAME EXPERIENCES LIVING ON HILTON HEAD ISLAND.
AND THIS ISN'T DIRECTED AT YOU, IT'S A GENERAL COMMENT SURE.
OF WHERE I STAND ON THESE, THAT WE ARE PROTECTING THIS ISLAND FOR THOSE GENERATIONS TO COME SO THAT THEY CAN HAVE THE SAME TYPE OF IMPACT THAT THIS MAGICAL PLACE HAS HAD ON THOSE WHO CAME BEFORE US.
THOSE WHO ARE HERE NOW, THAT'S OUR JOB.
IT IMPACTS HOW I SEE THE FUTURE AND FOR WHOM I SEE THE FUTURE.
UM, THESE ARE SOME GENERAL, UH, DESIGN, UH, LOWCOUNTRY DESIGN, UH, PRINCIPLES THAT WE WERE LOOKING AT.
AGAIN, WE, YOU KNOW, WE LOOK AT THE FRONT PORCH AS A, AS, YOU KNOW, THE CONVERSATIONAL AREA OF, OF ALL OUR HOMES.
AND, AND WE LOOK AT CREATING THAT EVEN, UH, WITH, YOU KNOW, OR, YOU KNOW, MAKING INCENTIVIZING, UH, BUSINESS EXISTING BUSINESSES OR NEW BUSINESSES TO HAVE THESE ELEMENTS WHERE YOU DO, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE, YOU'RE SPEAKING TO YOUR NEIGHBOR, YOU'RE, YOU'RE SITTING OUT HAVING YOUR CO UH, COFFEE OR YOUR CUP OF TEA.
THESE ARE SOME PRIME EXAMPLES.
UH, OBVIOUSLY THE ONE AT THE TOP, UH, UPPER RIGHT.
UM, YOU KNOW, PROBABLY ALL OF US HAVE BEEN TO, UH, THE SMOKEHOUSE, BUT, UH, SOME ALSO SOME OTHER LOCAL AREAS, UM, YOU KNOW, IN BLUFFTON ARE, ARE CORNER PERKS.
UH, THESE ARE AREAS THAT, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE LOVE TO SIT OUT IN, BUT THEY ALSO CREATE THAT NEIGHBORHOOD, UM, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD FEELING, IF YOU WILL.
UH, SO I THINK THESE ARE GOOD EXAMPLES OF THE TYPE OF ARCHITECTURE THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.
UM, YOU KNOW, UM, TRYING TO HAVE AN INFLUENCE ON A LITTLE BIT, UM, AND STILL BRINGS THE LOW COUNTRY, UH, SOUTHERN FIELD.
AND THE, THE SCALE AND THE SENSE OF PLACE, YOU KNOW, FEELS APPROPRIATE.
AND I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS IN THIS TOO IS, AS WE TALKED ABOUT A LOT, IS THAT THERE'S OPPORTUNITY IN THIS WORK TO BE SELF-REFERENTIAL.
THERE'S SOME REALLY GREAT EXAMPLES, UH, WITHIN THIS COMMUNITY TODAY, UH, UH, OF THE WORK THAT WE'VE DESCRIBED THUS FAR, AND WHERE WE CAN ADOPT THAT PART OF THE D N A MOVING FORWARD.
IT'S, IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO DO THAT.
AND THAT, YOU KNOW, WRITING THIS STUFF DOWN IS IMPORTANT TOO, RIGHT? TAKING OUT A LITTLE BIT OF THE SUBJECT SUBJECTIVITY TO SAY, THIS IS REALLY WHAT WE MEAN BY, UH, YOU KNOW, GOOD BUILDING, UH, MOVING FORWARD.
UH, MOVE INTO SEA PINE CIRCLE.
FOR TIMING, UH, THIS IS A BIG CONVERSATION.
THERE'S A, A LOT TO UNPACK HERE, AS YOU ALL KNOW.
AND IT'S A, UH, IMPORTANT DISCUSSION.
UM, SEA PINES CIRCLES, YOU'RE MOVING SOUTH, YOU REMEMBER, THAT'S THE, UM, THE FOUR QUADRANTS THAT SURROUND THE CIRCLE.
UH, OVERALL, A LITTLE BIT OF A DIFFERENT PATTERN THERE, A LITTLE BIT OF A DIFFERENT SET OF OPPORTUNITIES, BUT OPPORTUNITIES NONETHELESS.
AND THERE'S SOME SEQUENCING TO THE WORK WE WOULD NEED TO DO, I THINK, WITHIN THIS DISTRICT, MAYBE EVEN MORE SO THAN WHAT WE TALK ABOUT WITH ARROW ROAD CONGESTION, TRAFFIC MITIGATION, PRIORITIZATION WITH SAFETY.
THOSE ISSUES ARE, ARE REALLY PARAMOUNT AS WE THINK ABOUT THE FUTURE OF THAT AREA.
AND ENABLING, UM, UH, UM, SOME NEW HEALTHY, UH, ADDITIVE, UH, UH, INVESTMENT INTO THE, INTO THE ZONE.
UM, AGAIN, I TALKED ABOUT THE, THE PARCEL CONFIGURATION.
A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE SEE WITH ARROW ROAD, BUT A LITTLE BIT LARGER DISTRICT.
UM, LOTS OF JOBS, UH, IN THIS AREA, NO DOUBT.
UM, AN ACTIVITY CLUSTER, UH, BUILDING AGE, A LITTLE BIT YOUNGER THAN WHAT WE DEALT WITH IN ARROW ROAD, BUT STILL, UM, ABOUT 40 YEARS.
UM, BUT A BIG PART OF THIS IS THE IDEA OF THE ANCHOR WITH U S C B SATELLITE CAMPUS THAT IS IN THIS SPACE.
AND WHAT IS THE FUTURE OF, OF THAT REALLY IMPORTANT, UM, AND UNIQUE, UH, UH, ANCHOR AND LEVERAGE POINT, UH, FOR YOUR COMMUNITY.
AGAIN, JUST, YOU KNOW, AND, AND I TAKE THE NOTE ABOUT THE REDEVELOPMENT PLAN VERSUS THE VISION.
REALLY JUST TRYING TO HAVE SOME STUDY HERE ON THIS SPACE AS WE THINK ABOUT THIS ONE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT FROM ARROW, UH, IS WHAT DO WE DO WITHIN THESE QUADS? UH, AND WE THINK ABOUT THEM ALMOST AS SOME UNIQUE NEIGHBORHOODS, UNIQUE NODES, UH, THAT SURROUND THAT FREELY CRITICAL INTERSECTION WITH SEA PINE CIRCLE.
WHAT HAPPENS, UH, IN EACH OF THESE AREAS GOING FORWARD? EASIEST, MAYBE TO CONCEIVE OF, ALTHOUGH AGAIN, EACH OF THESE MOVES IS, UH, IS, IS A LONGER TERM STRATEGY.
UM, THINKING ABOUT THE FUTURE OF THE CAMPUS WITH U S C B, AND AGAIN, SIMPLY A TEST, BUT THINKING ABOUT AS THAT PLACE, AS THAT SPACE MAY EVOLVE, YOU KNOW, WHAT, UM, WHAT ARE SOME FUTURE COMPLIMENTARY COMPONENTS THAT COULD GROW ALONG WITH IT AND ADD TO THE, THE VIBRANCY, ADD TO THE OPPORTUNITY, UM, BOTH OF THE INSTITUTION,
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BUT ALSO OF THIS SUB AREA.UM, OVERALL, THINKING ABOUT CONNECTIVITY AS A REAL THEME WITHIN THIS AREA, WHETHER YOU'RE ON A BICYCLE, WHETHER YOU'RE IN A CAR, WHETHER YOU ARE CATCHING, UH, ONE OF OUR TRANSIT, UH, CHOICES, THAT'S A BIG PART OF THE DISCUSSION HERE.
AND ALSO WHAT I TALKED ABOUT WITH THIS CLASS A COMPONENT.
AS THESE OFFICES ENTER THEIR NEXT CHAPTER, WHAT DOES THAT CONVERSION STRATEGY LOOK LIKE? WHAT DOES THE REDEVELOPMENT OR MAYBE REINVESTMENT PLAYBOOK LOOK LIKE SO THAT WE TAKE ADVANTAGE AND MAINTAIN THOSE BUSINESSES LONG-TERM ON THE ISLAND? AS MANY OF THEM, I WOULD EXPECT HOPE TO BE, OH, YOU LEAVE THAT SLIDE.
I WON'T, I WON'T TOUCH, I DID IT.
UH, YOU SHOW, UM, ENLARGEMENT OF THE U S C B CAMPUS.
IS THERE A MASTER PLAN FOR THAT CAMPUS? THERE'S NOT A MASTER PLAN PER SE.
I THINK THAT'S THE PURSUIT RIGHT NOW, THOUGH.
UM, YOU KNOW, AND, AND WE GET A REAL GOOD EXCUSE WITHIN THIS PROJECT, UH, TO INFUSE SOME THOUGHTS AND CRITICAL THINKING ON, ON THAT SITE.
UM, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS WE DEAL WITH HERE IS, YOU KNOW, BEING A MAJOR ISSUE WITHIN U S E B IN GENERAL, IS HOUSING'S SUCH AN IMPORTANT COMPONENT OF THAT, RIGHT? AND WHERE DOES THAT GO? WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE? UM, HOW DOES THAT SUPPORT THE INSTITUTION? UM, HOW DOES THE INSTITUTION, YOU KNOW, OPEN ITS DOORS? IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT IS A LARGE SITE.
I THINK THAT'S THE FIRST THING WE, WE, WE, WE, WE'VE LEARNED HERE.
UM, AND THEN THERE'S A LOT OF OPPORTUNITY TO DO THINGS, BUT IT, AGAIN, I KEEP TO KEEP REPEATING THIS, BUT IT IS A LONGER TERM STRATEGY.
AND REALLY LOOKING AT THIS POINT JUST ABOUT CAPACITY AND MIX, UH, AND WHAT THIS COULD ADD.
CONTINUE TO ADD, FRANKLY, HAS U S C B BEEN PART OF THAT CONVERSATION? YES.
WELL, I, I THINK WHAT WE'RE DEALING WITH HERE IS JUST REALLY JUST LOOKING AGAIN, AT CAPACITY, AT, AT OPPORTUNITY, NOT IMPOSING THIS PLAN ON THEM AT ALL.
AND THAT'S A PRINCIPLE STAKEHOLDER IN THIS.
SO AS WE GET, AS WE CONSIDER THIS FUTURE, MORE CONVERSATIONS TO BE HAD FOR SURE.
AND HOW THIS FOLDS INTO A BROADER STRATEGY FINANCING, RIGHT? ABSOLUTELY.
SO MISSY, TALK ABOUT THE POLICY COMPONENT.
SO OBVIOUSLY TO REALIZE A VISION SUCH AS THIS, THERE WOULD NEED TO BE A VERY ROBUST IMPLEMENTATION SECTION.
UM, AND WE WE'RE NOT GONNA GO THROUGH ALL OF THE 11 STRATEGIES IN THE SPIRIT OF TIME, BUT, UM, IT INCLUDES A, A VERY INTENTIONAL, UM, IMPLEMENTATION STRATEGY TO REALIZE A FUTURE BUILT ENVIRONMENT, UM, SUCH AS WHAT WAS, UH, DISPLAYED.
AND WHAT WE HAVE POISED AND WHAT'S COMING AS PART OF THE OVERALL GROWTH MANAGEMENT STRATEGY IS THAT, OF COURSE, ALL OF THESE DISTRICTS GET THREADED TOGETHER AS AN ISLAND WIDE MASTER PLAN.
PART OF THE OVERALL IMPLEMENTATION OF ALL OF IT INCLUDES, UH, AN OVERALL FUTURE LAND USE MAP, UM, AN AMENDMENT TO OUR LAND USE ELEMENT, AND THE COMPREHENSIVE CLAN, THOSE, UM, ACCOMPANYING L M O AMENDMENTS AND OVERHAUL THAT WOULD REALIZE, YOU KNOW, WHAT CAN BE BUILT ON THE PARCEL LEVEL, THE ZONING, THE ASSOCIATED ZONING MAP AMENDMENTS THAT WOULD NEED TO TRANSPIRE, BUT ALSO THE POLICY AND ENABLING ENVIRONMENT.
SO THIS REQUIRES, UM, STRATEGIC, UM, TOWN PROPERTY ACQUISITIONS, PARK ACQUISITIONS, POTENTIALLY PATHWAY EXPANSION INFRASTRUCTURE.
UM, IT COULD REQUIRE TOOLS SUCH AS, UM, TIF DISTRICTS, PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIPS, UM, ADDITIONAL POLICY AND PROGRAMS AND INCENTIVES.
AND SO ALL OF THOSE KINDS OF THINGS ARE WHAT WE HAVE TO THINK ABOUT IN THAT MASTER IMPLEMENTATION SCHEDULE TO REALIZE THE OVERALL ISLAND MASTER PLAN AND INCLUDING WHAT WOULD BE INCLUDED IN THE BRIDGE TO BEACH PLAN.
UM, AND, AND WE DO HAVE IN THE SLIDE DECK, BUT I DON'T WANNA GO THROUGH EACH OF THOSE SLIDES, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THAT INITIAL, UM, IMPLEMENTATION AGENDA OR THOUGHTS ON HOW WE COULD REALIZE THIS VISION.
UM, BUT JUST KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, TRANSPORTATION AND SYSTEMS ARE IMPORTANT.
UM, THE PUBLIC INVESTMENT, UH, COMPONENTS OF THIS THAT WOULD ENABLE THE PRIVATE INVESTMENT TO FOLLOW.
UM, SO SOME OF THAT CRITICAL CONNECTIVITY COMPONENTS WOULD BE PART OF THAT IMPLEMENTATION STRATEGY.
UM, AND SO THAT, I THINK IF WE, AND JUST KNOW THAT I'M GONNA, UNLESS YOU WANT ME TO, UM, WE DON'T NEED TO GO THROUGH ALL OF THESE, UM, BUT, BUT THEY WOULD BE INCLUDED IN A, IN A PLAN.
OF COURSE, AN IMPLEMENTATION SECTION IS CRITICAL.
UM, AND BEFORE WE LIKE CLOSE, I JUST WANNA SAY THAT THIS IS THE BEGINNING OF THE PROCESS.
THIS IS THE FIRST, UM, CONCEPTUAL REVIEW OF THE BRIDGE TO BEACH PLAN.
OF COURSE, WE'RE GONNA COLLECT COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC, WE'RE GONNA HAVE SOME STAKEHOLDER
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MEETINGS.WE'RE GOING TO, UH, LAUNCH THAT PUBLIC SURVEY, HAVE AN EVENT WITHIN THIS DISTRICT, AND THEN WE'LL BE BACK AT THE EDITING TABLE TO INCORPORATE WHAT WE'VE HEARD FROM ALL OF THAT.
AND THEN EVENTUALLY THIS, AGAIN, GETS BUILT INTO THAT LARGER MASTER PLANNING EFFORT.
AND SO WITH THAT, I GUESS, UH, WE'D LIKE TO HEAR IF YOU HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS.
AND I WANNA THANK THE TEAM FOR, UM, ALL OF THEIR INPUT AND INVOLVEMENT IN, IN THE PRESENTATION TODAY.
IT'S INCREDIBLY COMPREHENSIVE.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR WORK, GLENN.
I WOULD SAY THAT I AM VERY PLEASED AND SOMEWHAT OVERWHELMED,
I REALIZE WE'RE JUST AT THE VERY BEGINNING, BUT THERE'S OBVIOUSLY BEEN A GREAT DEAL OF WORK AND EFFORT PUT INTO IT BY REAL EXPERTS.
AND I APPRECIATE YOUR EFFORTS AND I LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING THIS MOVE FORWARD, UH, OVER A LONG PERIOD OF TIME.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT OUR NEXT STEPS ARE FROM HERE TODAY, BUT, UM, I WOULD, UM, ASK THAT WE HAVE A SECOND MEETING, UM, TO ADDRESS PAGES, UH, 53 AND
AND, UM, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE FOCUSED ON, SETTING POLICY AND MAKING SURE THAT THAT IS, UH, APPROPRIATE, UH, FOR THE FUTURE, NOT JUST THE NEXT FIVE YEARS, BUT THE NEXT 25, 30, 50 YEARS.
AND SO I THINK THAT'S WORTHY OF ALL OF OUR FOCUS AND CONSIDERATION BEFORE WE JUST MOVE ON.
AND THEN THE LAST THING, NOT TO BE A, UH, HATE DEAD HORSE TO, UH, TO DEATH, BUT, UM, A LOT OF THE DISCUSSION AND FOCUS TODAY WERE, UM, REPRESENTATIONS AND CONSIDERATIONS, WHAT OLD TOWN OR WHAT BLUFFTON SURE.
AND I WANNA MAKE IT REALLY, REALLY CLEAR.
WE ARE NOT BLUFFTON OF COURSE, OF COURSE, RIGHT? YES.
WE ARE HILTON HEDGE AND WE HAVE OUR OWN STANDARDS AND OUR OWN DISTINCT IDENTITY.
AND WE ARE NOT, I WILL NOT, I'LL STAND IN THE WAY OF US BECOMING SOMETHING, SOMETHING ELSE.
BUT I DON'T THINK THIS PROCESS IS, IS DONE HERE TODAY.
FAR MORE INPUT, NOT JUST, UM, FROM COMMUNITY, WHICH IS CRITICAL, BUT FROM US AS WELL.
FOLLOW UP ON THAT FOR JUST A SECOND.
I, I, I THINK MS. BECKER MAKES A GOOD POINT THAT WE, WE NEED TO LOOK AT OUR STRATEGIES AND TACTICS IN MORE DETAIL.
AND I WOULD SUGGEST THAT YOU ORGANIZE THEM IN A WAY THAT IN YOUR HEAD, THEY'RE PRIORITIZED, ARE SO MANY TACTICS IN A NUMBER OF STRATEGIES.
SOMEHOW WE HAVE TO BEGIN UNDERSTANDING HOW TO PARSE OUT THOSE THAT ARE MOST IMPORTANT EARLY ON.
I, I, I, I FEEL SHORTCHANGED HERE TODAY AS WE DIDN'T TALK ABOUT THOSE STRATEGIES.
I THINK IT'S REALLY, AND, AND I KNOW FOLKS ARE SENSITIVE TO TIME, I AM AS WELL, BUT THIS IS IMPORTANT.
AND SO I DO THINK WE NEED TO REVISIT THIS BEFORE IT TAKES THE NEXT STEP.
UM, AND THE REVISIT IS NOT GOING BACK THROUGH THE WHOLE THING, BUT FOCUSING ON THOSE STRATEGIES AT THE END.
THERE'S 11 IMPORTANT STRATEGIES.
AND ONE OF THE QUESTIONS I ASKED EARLIER IS, WHAT ABOUT HOUSING? AND THAT THERE IS A STRATEGY ABOUT, UH, WORKFORCE HOUSING IN HERE.
AND I AGREE, UH, WITH MS. BECKER ON THAT, THAT WE NEED TO, UH, SPEND CONSIDERABLE TIME TALKING ABOUT THESE.
AND I AGREE WITH MR. AMES ABOUT LOOKING AT THE FOCUS, ANY IMPLEMENTATION PLAN WOULD LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S, WHAT'S, WHAT DO YOU DO FIRST? WHAT DO YOU DO SECOND? WHAT DO YOU DO THIRD BASED ON YOUR PRIORITIES? SO I THINK IT'D BE HELPFUL AND, AND CERTAINLY PART OF OUR RESPONSIBILITY IS TO HELP SET THOSE PRIORITIES.
UM, BUT I THINK YOU'VE HEARD SOME OTHER CONCERNS, UM, OF THE PLANS WE'VE SEEN SO FAR.
UM, I'M A LITTLE BOTHERED MORE BY THE CONCEPTUAL IDEAS MM-HMM.
UM, AND I SPECIFICALLY WANT TO GO BACK TO WHAT I SAID ABOUT THE MAPS, WHICH SHOW EXISTING BUILDING AND EXISTING PROPERTIES THAT WE ARE NOT LOOKING TO COME IN AND TAKE PEOPLE'S PROPERTY AND CHANGE 'EM.
MY COMMENTS, UM, I THINK ONE REASON, UH, PAST EFFORTS HAVE NOT MOVED FORWARD WITH KIND OF EMPHASIS MAKE A SIGNIFICANT DIFFERENCE WAS A TIMIDITY ON THE PART OF COUNCIL
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I USE, I HEARD YOU KYLE, USE THE WORD PLACES.I THINK WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TODAY IS GETTING PLACES THAT WE CAN BE PROUD OF THAT BRING PEOPLE TOGETHER AND GET PEOPLE EXCITED ABOUT BEING ON HILL NET ISLAND.
UM, I THINK THAT WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT PLACES YOU HAVE TO UNDER UNDERSTAND OR THINK ABOUT HOW PEOPLE REFER TO IT.
SO ARE PEOPLE REFERRING TO THIS AS
I THINK WE'RE MISSING AN OPPORTUNITY.
SO THE PEOPLE LIVING IN THE SEA PINES AREA MIGHT BE VERY WELL DIFFERENT, OR THE PEOPLE UTILIZING THE AREA OF SEA PINE MIGHT BE VERY DIFFERENT THAN THE PEOPLE WHO ARE LIVING OR UTILIZING, UM, HOW MEADOW BAY ROAD ARROW ROAD.
AND SO I'M, I'M ENCOURAGING US TO THINK ABOUT MORE GRANULAR LEVEL, WHO WE'RE TRYING TO SERVE IN THESE DIFFERENT PLANS.
'CAUSE GENERAL PLANS DON'T GET US THERE.
I THINK THAT OUR INVESTMENT IS GOING TO BE IN RESPONSE TO MAKING THAT KIND OF DECISION.
I THINK ONE OTHER THING THAT, UH, THE PRIOR PLANS DID NOT DO IN A STRATEGIC WAY WAS HAVING COMMUNITY SHAPING INVESTMENTS MADE IMPROVEMENTS, BUT THEY WEREN'T COMMUNITY SHAPING, TRANSFORMATIVE, INSPIRATIONAL, TARGETED.
I THINK SOMETHING ELSE THAT WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO IN, UH, CONSIDER IN A, IN A SERIOUS WAY IS THE, AND IT'S IN YOUR, IT'S IN ONE OF YOUR STRATEGIES PLAN, PURCHASE STRATEGIES.
IN ORDER FOR US TO MAKE A MATERIAL CHANGE IN HOW PEOPLE CAN MOVE ABOUT THE ARROW ROAD CORRIDOR AREA, THE CONNECTIVITY THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, I AM ANTICIPATING THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO MAKE SOME PURCHASES AND THEN REPURPOSE THAT LAND IN A WAY THAT MEETS THE BROADER OBJECTIVES OF THE PLAN, BUT ALSO PROVIDES AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE PRIVATE SECTOR TO INVEST IN THIS AREA.
UM, I THINK THERE'S, OR, AND, AND YOU, YOU TOUCHED ON THIS, WHAT IS THE ARCHITECTURAL CHARACTER OF WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO GET AT DURING THE, DURING THE LATE SEVENTIES AND EIGHTIES, ALL WE WERE DOING WAS BUILDING STICK BUILDINGS AND GETTING THEM UP AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.
THAT CORRIDOR DOESN'T REALLY HAVE A CHARACTER OTHER THAN IT'S MASSIVE.
SO I THINK THAT IF WE'RE TRULY GOING TO TRY TO CREATE SOMETHING THAT IS MEMORABLE, WE'RE PROBABLY GONNA HAVE SOME SORT OF ARCHITECTURAL VISION AS WELL.
THE LAST THING, OF COURSE, THE L M O POLICIES, WHICH YOU MENTIONED, YES, THEY WERE A PART OF THE PRIOR EFFORTS, BUT, BUT THOSE, THOSE THINGS THAT I MENTIONED SPEAK TO IN MY MIND, WHAT OUGHT TO BE A BOLD VISION FOR HOW WE ARE RECONFIGURING THIS AREA IN A WAY THAT IT ENHANCES HILTON HEAD ISLAND FOR ITS RESIDENTS, WHAT IT SAYS TO THE WORLD.
AND, AND I, AND I, I USE THE WORD WORLD FOR PUR ON PURPOSE BECAUSE HILTON HAD ISLAND DID SPEAK TO THE WORLD.
AND ITS EARLY VISIONS, EARLY VISIONS, EARLY MODERN VISIONS.
SO I, I THINK THAT EVERY TIME WE HAVE THIS STRATEGIC OPPORTUNITY THAT'S IN FRONT OF US TODAY, NOT TO BE BOLD ABOUT TO BE THINKING ABOUT HOW WE, HOW WE CAN AS A COMMUNITY SPEAK TO THE WORLD IN A WAY THAT MAKES US PROUD, BRINGS THE KIND OF RESIDENTS ON THE ISLAND.
WITH THAT, WE'LL GO TO THE NEXT AGENDA ITEM.
OKAY, WELL DONE ALL YOUR WORK.
[6B. Consideration of Proposed Ordinance 2023 –16 Amending Title 16 of the Municipal Code of the Town of Hilton Head Island, the Land Management Ordinance (LMO) to Amend Single Family Dwelling Parking Requirements and to Establish Regulations for Single Family Dwelling Floor Area Ratio Requirements - Missy Luick, Director of Planning]
WE HAVE A CONSIDERATION OF A PROPOSED ORDINANCE 2023 DASH 16 AMENDING TITLE 16[01:30:01]
DEALING WITH F A R AND PARKING.I BELIEVE THE MAYOR WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THE PUBLIC PLANNING COMMITTEE AND THE AUDIENCE.
UM, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND WHY, UM, THIS HAS COME BACK TO THE P P C COMMITTEE.
UM, AFTER THE LAST MEETING, I POSED QUESTIONS THAT I DIDN'T HAVE CLEAR ANSWERS TO.
AND I THEREFORE ASKED FOR A MEETING WITH STAFF, UH, TO GO OVER SOME OF THESE QUESTIONS.
AND THOSE QUESTIONS INCLUDED, UM, WHAT IS COVERED UNDER F A R? IS IT HEATED SQUARE FEET? IS IT A POOL HOUSE? IS IT A GARAGE? IS IT A FUTURE BONUS ROOM OVER THE GARAGE? UM, ALL THESE QUESTIONS, AND THERE ARE MANY MORE QUESTIONS THAT GO TO IT.
AND THOSE ANSWERS WEREN'T READILY AVAILABLE.
AND I DON'T THINK THAT THEY'D BEEN POSED OR ANSWERED IN SUCH A WAY THAT THERE IS CLARITY TO MAKE A DECISION THAT AFFECTS THIS COMMUNITY.
SO I HAVE PUSHED IT BACK TO P P C SO THE PUBLIC CAN HEAR THESE QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS SO THAT EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS WHAT THIS MEANS TO THEM.
I ALSO HAVE QUESTIONS REGARDING A CAP ON A PROPERTY AND WHAT IT DOES TO THE VALUE OF THOSE HOMES THAT ARE ABOVE THAT CAP OR, OR ABOVE WHAT THE PROPOSED F A R IS.
SO SOMEBODY THAT IS OVER THAT FAR OR CAP THEIR PROPERTY VALUES COULD INCREASE SOMEBODY UNDERNEATH THAT CAP OR FAR THEIR PROPERTY VALUES COULD DECREASE.
AND WE HAVE TO HAVE A TRUE UNDERSTANDING AS TO WHAT THIS MEANS TO EVERYBODY.
I ALSO HAVE THE QUESTION AS TO WHERE DOES IT APPLY? I KNOW THAT IT DOES NOT APPLY TO THE PUDS, BUT WHAT OTHER AREAS OUTSIDE OF THE PUDS DOES IT NOT APPLY? AND WHERE DOES IT APPLY? THERE'S ALSO QUESTIONS ABOUT INSURANCE AND MORTGAGE, AND THESE HAVE TO BE DISCUSSED AS WELL TO HAVE A CLEAR UNDERSTANDING WHAT THE EFFECTS ARE TO THE HOMEOWNER THAT IS ABOVE AND HAS A DISASTER.
AND SOME OF THESE QUESTIONS ARE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO BE ANSWERED COMPLETELY TODAY 'CAUSE THEY'RE STILL UNDER ADVISEMENT AND WE'RE STILL LOOKING FORWARD.
UM, SO AS WE GO FORWARD, A VOICE OF REASONING, WE GOTTA MAKE CERTAIN THAT WE'RE DOING THE RIGHT THING FOR THE RIGHT PURPOSE.
I'VE ALSO ASKED QUESTIONS ABOUT PERVIOUS VERSUS IMPERVIOUS ON A LOT.
WHILE WE DON'T HAVE THOSE REQUIREMENTS, MIGHT THAT BE SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE DISCUSSED FOR THE FUTURE? SO THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT ELEMENTS THAT GO INTO WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, AND I THINK WE NEED TO TAKE THE EMOTION OUT OF IT AND GO OFF OF THE FACTS SO THAT WE'RE MAKING THOSE RIGHT DECISIONS.
THAT IS WHY I PUSHED IT BACK TO P P C.
UM, YES, WE HAVE GOT TO HAVE SOMETHING IN PLACE THAT PROTECTS OUR COMMUNITIES, BUT WE HAVE TO MAKE CERTAIN THAT IT IS CORRECT FOR THE COMMUNITIES.
UM, WE HAVE EIGHT ACRE LOTS, WE HAVE ACRE LOTS, AND SOME THAT ARE BIGGER.
IMPOSING A CAP ON THOSE DECREASES SOME OF THOSE PROPERTY VALUES GREATLY.
SO WE NEED TO REALLY HAVE THAT HOLISTIC CONVERSATION AND PUT IT OUT THERE IN EVERYBODY TO UNDERSTAND.
UNFORTUNATELY, I'VE GOT TO LEAVE FOR 1130 MEETING AND YEAH, RIGHT ON TIME.
SO I WILL BE WATCHING THIS AT A LATER DAY, BUT I, I, I APPRECIATE Y'ALL TAKING THIS BACK BECAUSE THIS IS WHERE WE NEED TO VET THESE, THESE IDEAS AND THESE ORDINANCES AND THESE PROJECTS FOR THE COMMUNITY TO HAVE THEIR VOICE.
SO, UM, WE ARE BACK IN FRONT OF PUBLIC PLANNING COMMITTEE AGAIN TO TALK ABOUT THIS.
UM, WE'RE NOT GONNA COVER ALL OF THE SLIDES THAT WE COVERED LAST MONTH, BUT TRY TO FOCUS IN ON SOME OF THE QUESTIONS THAT WERE RAISED.
UM, THIS SLIDE DECK DOES SHOW, UM, SEVERAL ILLUSTRATIONS AND EXAMPLES OF FLOOR AREA RATIOS THROUGHOUT THE ISLAND.
UM, WE ALSO WILL COVER, UM, WHAT THE PURPOSE WAS FOR THESE AMENDMENTS.
UM, AND WE'LL GO THROUGH, UM, SOME OF THAT, UM, AS, AS WE'LL FOLLOW.
SO OVERALL, UM, THIS WAS TO ESTABLISH MR. CHAIR, IF I COULD, SORRY, HAVE ENTERED IT IN THE RECORD.
I DON'T KNOW WHERE, UM, UH, THAT, UH, I, I JUST HAVE A PROCEDURAL OBJECTION TO REVISITING THIS MATTER, UH, BASED ON THE PROCESS FOLLOWED.
SO IF I COULD NOTE THAT FOR THE RECORD AND HOPEFULLY OUR CLERK WILL RECORD THAT.
SO, UM, THE PURPOSE WAS TO ESTABLISH REGULATIONS FOR SINGLE FAMILY FLOOR AREA RATIO REQUIREMENTS TO EFFECTIVELY REGULATE THE VOLUME AND PLACEMENT OF HOMES ON
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A PARCEL.UM, AND THEN ALSO PARKING REQUIREMENTS TO BETTER ALIGN THE SINGLE FAMILY USE TYPE TO THE SIZE OF THE DWELLING UNIT.
UM, AND SO THESE WERE TO, UM, LOOK AT THE MASS AND SCALE AND INTENSITY OF USES IN IN SINGLE FAMILY.
SO, UH, THIS IS JUST A OVERVIEW OF WHAT FLOOR AREA RATIO IS IN A GENERAL ILLUSTRATION TO EXPLAIN THE CONCEPT.
UM, SO IT IS OF COURSE A MASS IN SCALE, UH, UH, UM, DETRIMENT OR, UH, REGULATION, AND IT REGULATES THAT BULK OR THAT VOLUME.
UM, IT'S A RATIO OF A STRUCTURE IN RELATION TO THE SIZE OF THE PROPERTY.
UM, AND IT'S DESCRIBED AS A DECIMAL NUMBER.
SO YOU CAN SEE ON THE GRAPHIC HERE, THERE'S A STRUCTURE THAT HAS A GROSS FLOOR AREA, AREA.
IT'S DI DIVIDED BY THE LOT AREA, AND THAT GIVES YOU THE FLOOR AREA RATIO.
UM, AND WE'RE GONNA GO THROUGH SEVERAL EXAMPLES OF THAT LATER IN THE SLIDES.
SO IN THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT, UM, THE DEFINITION FOR FLOOR AREA RATIO IS THE MEASUREMENT OF A BUILDING'S GROSS FLOOR AREA IN RELATION TO THE SIZE OF THE LOT IN WHICH THE BUILDING IS LOCATED ARE ON.
AND IT IS EXPRESSED IN THE DECIMAL NUMBER.
UM, WE'VE ALSO PROVIDED THE EXISTING DEFINITION OF GROSS FLOOR AREA ON THE SCREEN.
IT IS THE AREA WITHIN THE INSIDE PERIMETER OF THE EXTERIOR WALLS OF A BUILDING OR OTHER STRUCTURE WITH NO DEDUCTION FOR CORRIDOR, STAIRS, CLOSETS, THICKNESS OF WALLS, COLUMNS OR OTHER FEATURES, EXCLUSIVE OF AREAS OPEN AND UNOBSTRUCTED TO THE SKY.
AND IT IS MEASURED IN SQUARE FEET.
SO, UM, THAT MEANS THAT IT INCLUDES, UM, ANY ENCLOSED, UM, SQUARE FOOTAGE, WHETHER IT'S HEATED OR UNHEATED.
SO THAT INCLUDES THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE PRINCIPAL STRUCTURE OR ACCESSORY STRUCTURES.
UM, AND I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THAT WAS CLEARLY UNDERSTOOD OR WHAT'S CURRENTLY PROPOSED, A SCREEN PORCH OR NOT INCLUDED.
UM, WELL THAT HAS A WALL OR COLUMN.
UM, AND THE SCREEN WOULD MAKE IT, UM, IT WOULD NOT BE OPEN AND UNOBSTRUCTED TO THE SKY, SO IT WOULD BE PART OF GROSS FLOOR AREA IF IT WAS OPEN WITHOUT THE WALLS, IF IT WAS JUST COLUMNS WITH THE, WITH THE ROOF, THEN IT'S UNOBSTRUCTED, LIKE MAYBE A DECK OR A PATIO, A DECK OR A PATIO WOULD NOT BE INCLUDED.
BUT IF YOU PUT A SCREEN AROUND IT, THEN IT BECOMES INCLUDED.
UM, JUST ANOTHER QUICK QUESTION WITH REGARD TO THIS.
UM, AS OUR MAYOR BROUGHT UP, HE HAD A QUESTION WITH REGARD TO PULL HOUSES, WHICH ARE SEPARATE FROM THE MAIN BUILDING, SO THEREFORE THEY WOULD NOT BE INCLUDED IN THE GROSS SQUARE FOOTAGE, CORRECT? NO.
IF THEY'RE AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE OR AN ACCESSORY.
GROSS FLOOR AREA, AGAIN IS A, THE WALLS OF A BUILDING OR OTHER STRUCTURE WALLS OF A BUILDING OR SO ANYTHING ON THE LOT THAT YES.
SO UNDER ROOF, SO A SHED IT IS UN YES.
IT COULD BE A SHED, IT COULD BE A GARAGE, IT COULD BE ANY OTHER ACCESSORY STRUCTURE.
UM, UNLESS IT'S OPEN AND UNOBSTRUCTED TO THE SKY.
SO IF IT'S OPEN AIR, THEN IT IS NOT GROSS FLOOR AREA.
THAT'S THE CURRENT DEFINITION.
SO THAT IS THE CURRENT DEFINITION.
SO WE'RE OF GROSS FLOOR AREA AND OUR DEFINITION OF FLOOR AREA RATIO AS PROPOSED IS A MEASUREMENT OF GROSS FLOOR AREA.
SO ANYWHERE ON THE ISLAND CURRENTLY WHERE THERE IS A FLOOR AREA, RATIO REQUIREMENT, HOLIDAY HOMES,
SO WHEN Y'ALL REVIEW A PLAN IN THOSE AREAS, YOU TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION ALL OF THAT? YES.
SO, UM, THE INTENT IS TO ESTABLISH A FLOOR AREA RATIO STANDARD TO BE APPLIED TO, UM, SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENT CONSTRUCTION.
IT IS APPLICABLE IN THE ZONING DISTRICTS THAT ARE LISTED HERE.
IT DOES, IT'S, SO THESE ARE THE ZONING DISTRICTS THAT ALLOWS SINGLE FAMILY USE TYPE THAT EXCLUDES THE PD ONE DISTRICTS.
AND THERE'S A MAP ON THE FOLLOWING SLIDE.
UM, WHAT CURRENTLY IS PROPOSED IN THE AMENDMENT IS A FOUR AREA RATIO OF 0.32, UM, AND A, UH, A CAP OF A HOME SIZE NOT TO EXCEED 4,000 SQUARE FEET.
UM, WHAT ALSO IS PROPOSED CURRENTLY ARE SOME CHANGES FOR THE EXISTING OVERLAYS.
UM, THESE NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, CHARACTER OVERLAY DISTRICTS CURRENTLY DO HAVE
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A FLOOR AREA RATIO, UM, IN PLACE AS WELL AS A MAXIMUM HOUSE SIZE.UM, FOR SPEECH DISTRICT HAS A FLOOR AREA RATIO OF 0.55 AND A MAXIMUM HOUSE SIZE OF 5,000.
HOLLY FIELD HAS A FLOOR AREA RATIO CURRENTLY OF 0.45 AND A MAXIMUM HOUSE SIZE OF 4,500 SQUARE FEET.
AND HOLIDAY HOMES HAS A F A R OF 0.45 AND A 4,000 SQUARE FOOT, UH, MAXIMUM HOME SIZE.
ASK ALSO WITH REGARD TO THAT, WHEN AN OVERLAY IS ESTABLISHED, THE UM, CONVERSATION IS BETWEEN TOWN AND THE WHATEVER IT MAY BE, H O A P O A ESTABLISHED IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.
THAT'S A, THAT'S A COLLABORATIVE CONVERSATION.
WHEN THOSE WERE, WHEN THESE OVERLAYS WERE CREATED, YES.
THEY WERE A COLLABORATIVE CONVERSATION WITH THOSE AREAS.
UM, BUT THE CODE IS ADMINISTERED BY THE TOWN PLAN COMES THROUGH.
YOU LOOK AT WHAT IT IS FIRST THAT THE OVERLAY DISTRICT ALLOWS BEFORE, WHICH IS IMPORTANT PIECE.
BUT WHAT I WAS TRYING TO GET AT IS THAT COLLABORATIVE CONVERSATION THAT ESTABLISHED THE OVERLAY TO BEGIN WITH.
AND THAT I THINK I'LL PROBABLY BRING UP AGAIN IN A LITTLE BIT, UM, DEPENDING ON WHERE THIS ALL GOES.
UM, BECAUSE OTHER THAN THE PUDS, AS I UNDERSTAND IT, UM, THIS WOULD APPLY TO THAT 30% OUTSIDE OF THE GATES WHERE THERE ARE ALREADY ESTABLISHED COLLABORATIVE REQUIREMENTS WITH REGARD TO F A R AND MAXIMA HOUSE SIZE.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE NOT OVERLOOKING THAT, THAT PIECE OF THE CONVERSATION.
UM, CLARITY, WE ARE SAYING HERE THAT THE PROPOSAL IS TO CHANGE THE EXISTING FAR AND MAXIMUM SIZE IN THESE DISTRICTS OF WHAT CURRENTLY APPLIES YES.
FROM THE ACTION BY THE PUBLIC PLANNING COMMITTEE LAST MONTH.
SO YES, IT INCLUDED THE INCLUSION OF CHANGING THE F A R AND MAXIMUM HOME SIZE IN THE OVERLAY DISTRICTS AS WELL AS, UM, WITHIN ALL OF THE DISTRICTS THAT ARE, THAT ARE LISTED HERE.
SO THEY WOULD ALL BE THE SAME.
UM, AND I JUST WANTED TO ALSO POINT OUT THAT THE MAXIMUM HOME SIZE OF 4,000 SQUARE FEET IS NOT A RECOMMENDATION THAT THAT STAFF IS ENDORSING AS WELL.
UM, THE FLOOR AREA RATIO IS THE, THE REGULATION OF THE MASS AND SCALE TO THE LOT SIZE.
AND I JUST WANTED TO POINT THAT OUT AS WELL.
SO HE THAT, JUST WITH REGARD TO THE OVERLAY DISTRICTS, BECAUSE THE PREVIOUS STAFF STAFF RECOMMENDATION, WHICH THE PLANNING COMMISSION APPROVED DID INCLUDE THE 4,000 SQUARE FOOT MAXIMUM SIZE STAFF CHANGED THEIR RECOMMENDATION.
THE, THE OVERLAYS HAVE A MAXIMUM HOME SIZE THAT WAS PART OF THE COMMUNITY CONVERSATION THAT ESTABLISHED THOSE STEP DOES NOT OPPOSE THE MAXIMUM HOME SIZE IN THE OVERLAY OR THE FLOOR AREA RATIOS THAT WERE ESTABLISHED WITHIN THOSE CHARACTER OVERLAY DISTRICTS.
UM, SO THOSE WERE BASED ON, YOU KNOW, THE CONTEXT OF THE BUILT ENVIRONMENT WITHIN THOSE DISTRICTS, THE UNIQUE QUALITIES WITHIN THOSE NEIGHBORHOOD TYPES, AND THAT'S HOW THOSE, UM, CRITERIA WERE FORMED WITHIN THOSE OVERLAYS.
SO LEMME TRY TO ASK THAT QUESTION AGAIN.
UH, WHEN IT CAME BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND CAME BEFORE P P C STAFF RECOMMENDATION WAS A MAXIMUM OF 4,000 SQUARE FEET, THAT'S MY MEMORY.
AND SO NOW ARE YOU MAKING A DISTINCTION ONLY WITH REGARD TO THESE THREE OVERLAY DISTRICTS THAT THERE IS NOT A STAFF RECOMMENDATION ON THE MAXIMUM SQUARE FOOTAGE? SO MY DISTINCTION IS, IS THAT THE, UM, THE RECOMMENDATION THAT WENT THROUGH PLANNING COMMISSION AND CAME IN INITIALLY TO P P C WAS THAT THE, THE FLOOR AREA RATIO WITH A HOME CAP WAS BASED ON THE FORMULA THAT WE HAD IN PLACE FOR THE OVERLAYS.
HOWEVER, THE, UM, I THINK MR. UH, SEAN COLLIN WAS THE ONE WHO WAS PRESENTING AND THAT THE MAXIMUM HOME SIZE CAP FOR OUTSIDE OF THE OVERLAYS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT, UM, THAT, THAT CAME FROM THE CONSULTANT RECOMMENDATION.
IT IS BASED ON OUR EXISTING FORMULA.
UM, BUT IT, THE FLOOR AREA RATIO, THAT DECIMAL IS WHAT WOULD REGULATE THE MASS AND SCALE.
AND WE'RE GONNA GO THROUGH SOME EXAMPLES OF, UH, OF WHAT THAT 4,000 SQUARE FOOT, UM, IMPLICATION HAS.
AND SO I THINK SOME OF THE EXAMPLES THAT WE'RE GONNA SHOW YOU, UM, NEXT WILL, WILL SHOW THAT THAT REGULATION MAYBE DOESN'T MAKE SENSE.
UM, SO IS THERE A CHANGE IN THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION
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A AS COMPARED TO WHAT THE STAFF WAS RECOMMENDING BEFORE PLANNING COMMISSION PUBLIC PLANNING COMMITTEE? IS, HAS THE STAFF CHANGED ITS RECOMMENDATIONS? YES.WE, WE ARE NOT RECOMMENDING A MAXIMUM, UH, CAP OF 4,000 SQUARE FEET ANYWHERE WE ARE EXCEPT FOR THE THREE OVERLAY DISTRICT EXCEPT FOR THE THREE OVERLAY DISTRICTS.
SO IS THE WAY THEY ARE, SO THAT'S A CHANGE IN THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION.
AGAIN, THIS SHOWS THE AREAS THAT DO ALLOW SINGLE FAMILY, UM, AND, UH, OF COURSE IT EXCLUDES THE, THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICTS.
UM, FOUR A RATIO, UM, WAS REVIEWED.
THIS DATA SET WAS REVIEWED, THAT THAT DOES SHOW, UM, THE AVERAGE FLOOR AREA RATIO BASED ON THE AVAILABLE DATA THAT WE HAD IN THE VARIOUS ZONING DISTRICTS.
THE AVERAGE BUILDING SQUARE FOOTAGE, THE AVERAGE LOT SIZE, AND THEN THE AVERAGE FLOOR AREA RATIO THAT RESULTED.
UM, I THINK THIS DATA SET WAS MAYBE SOME OF THE LOGIC OF WHERE THE 0.32 RECOMMENDATION CAME FROM LAST MONTH.
UM, AND AGAIN, ON THIS SLIDE, UH, FOR CONTEXT, UM, THIS SHOWS THE NEIGHBORHOOD OVERLAYS THEIR EXISTING REQUIREMENTS AND THEN THE PROPOSED THOSE, THOSE FIGURES WERE FROM ACTUAL DATA BUILDING PERMITS OR BUILDING PERMITS.
UH, WHICH DATA SET DID THIS COME FROM? SO YOU GUYS CAN HEAR ME.
THIS DATA SET COMES FROM OUR EXISTING G I SS AND OUR EXISTING, UH, HOUSING STOCK.
STAFF REPORT THAT WE HAD PREVIOUSLY SAYS THAT THE, UM, BASELINE ANALYSIS OF BEST A AVAIL AVAILABLE DATA, UM, AND NOT INCLUDING MANUFACTURED HOMES EXISTING FAR RATIOS RANGE BETWEEN 0.10 AND 2.07.
AND THE AVERAGE BAR TOTAL PROPERTIES IS 0.32.
THERE ARE EXAMPLES OF WHERE, UM, THAT SUCCEEDED.
SO HAVE A FOLLOWING SLIDE, BUT THAT WAS BASED ON PREVIOUS DATA WE WERE PREPARED.
UM, WE ALSO LOOKED AT, UM, 2022 BUILDING PERMIT DATA ON HOME SIZE, UM, TO GET AN UNDERSTANDING OF, UH, WHAT THE AVERAGE HOME SIZE IS.
UM, THIS SHOWS THAT, UM, WE DID HAVE A LOT OF NEW RESIDENTIAL BUILD OUT IN CALENDAR YEAR 2022.
IT WAS 156 PROPERTIES THAT DOES, THAT FIGURE DOES INCLUDE THE PD ONE DISTRICT.
UM, THE HIGHEST AVERAGE FOR SINGLE FAMILY WAS, UM, 6,214.
UM, THE MAXIMUM, UH, UH, SQUARE FOOTAGE WAS 8,328.
UM, AND THE MEDIAN OF ALL OF THOSE 156 IS 5,290.
I'LL TRY TO CATCH YOU WHILE YOU'RE ON THAT SLIDE.
UM, SO THIS IS THE SAME DATA WE WERE PROVIDED BEFORE.
UM, AND SO IF YOU LOOK AT THOSE, UM, IF YOU LOOK IN THE RESORT DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT, THE AVERAGE HOME SIZE WAS 5,184 SQUARE FEET.
LOOK AT THE R M EIGHT, THE AVERAGE HOME SIZE 6,184 SQUARE FEET RS FIVE, 6,214 SQUARE FEET.
AND ONLY DID RM FOUR BRING THE AVERAGE DOWN.
AND THAT DATA HAS NOT CHANGED THAT, CORRECT? NO, THIS IS SAME DATA SET.
SO NEXT WE'RE GONNA GO THROUGH, UM, A SERIES OF EXAMPLES OF OF FLOOR AREA RATIOS, UM, FROM THE ISLAND.
AND I JUST WANT TO POINT OUT, UM, THIS WAS BASED ON, UH, THE AVAILABLE DATA THAT WE HAVE.
UM, THE LOT ACREAGE IS G I S, WHICH IT MAY OR MAY NOT BE THE ACTUAL ACREAGE AS WELL AS THE HOME SQUARE FOOTAGE, UM, IS BASED ON THE DATA THAT WE HAVE.
WE ARE UNSURE IF THAT INCLUDES, UM, ACCESSORY STRUCTURES, HEATED AND UNHEATED.
BUT, UM, SO IT, IT IS FROM OUR, UM, OUR BUILDING PERMIT SOFTWARE.
AND, UM, BUT THAT'S WHERE WE GOT THE DATA SETS FROM.
SO THE FIRST EXAMPLE IS A FAMILY COMPOUND.
UM, THE FLOOR AREA RATIO IS 0.06.
THE HOMES ALL COMBINED ARE 5,707 SQUARE FEET.
UM, AND FAMILY COMPOUNDS WOULD BE SUBJECT
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TO, UM, THESE REQUIREMENTS.UM, WE DID, UM, DO SOME ADDITIONAL MATH ON SOME, UM, MANUFACTURED HOME SIZES AND, UM, THE LOT SIZES, UM, AND DENSITIES THAT ARE ALLOWED.
AND, UM, NONE OF THE FLOOR AREA RATIOS, UH, FOR THAT, FOR THAT MATH THAT WE DID EXCEED 0.32.
UM, AND SO I JUST WANTED TO TO POINT THAT OUT.
SO AGAIN, I'M GONNA KIND OF GO THROUGH THESE, YOU CAN STOP ME AS I GO.
THEY'RE ALL IN THE SAME FORMAT WHERE WE SHOW AN IMAGE OF THE HOME AND THE, THE LOT, UH, PARCEL BOUNDARIES, UH, FROM OUR G I S.
AND AGAIN, IT GIVES THE ZONING DISTRICT THE STREET NAME, THE FLOOR AREA RATIO, SQUARE FOOTAGE, LOT ACREAGE.
UM, WE ALSO PULLED WHETHER IT WAS A 4% OR 6%, UM, PROPERTY AS WELL.
UM, THIS IS ON SAND DOLLAR ROAD.
THE HOME SIZE IS 1,310 SQUARE FEET ON A 0.4 ACRE LOT HOLLY FIELD, OVERLAND DISTRICT OCEAN FRONT HOME CRIME REDEVELOPMENT, AND, UM, JUST HAS THAT INFORMATION.
HERE'S AN EXAMPLE ON SEA OLIVE ROAD.
THE HOME SIZE IS OVER 4,000 SQUARE FEET AT 4,175 ON A 0.56 ACRE LOT.
HERE'S A HOME ON POINT COMFORT.
THE HOME SIZE IS 3,417 SQUARE FEET, UM, ON A 0.4 ACRE LOT.
HOME SIZE IS 3,527 SQUARE FEET ON A 0.34 ACRE LOT.
THAT HOUSE ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE IN PHOTOGRAPHED, WHERE IS IT ON THE RIGHT HAND PHOTO? UM, I, IT'S RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE.
IT'S ONE OF THE ONES IN THE MIDDLE.
ONE MIDDLE ONE RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE.
THIS IS A HOME ON WALKING HORSE.
UM, IT'S IN THE R FOUR OF ITS OWNING DISTRICT.
THE HOME SIZE IS OVER 4,000 SQUARE FEET AT 4,170 ON A 0.46 ACRE LOT.
HERE IS ONE ON STARFISH DRIVE WITH AN F A R OF 0.24, HOME SIZE OF 3,408 WITH A LOT SIZE OF 0.33.
THE HOME SIZE IS 4,027 WITH A LOT AREA OF 0.37.
THAT MYRTLE LANE
IT, I BELIEVE IT'S IN FOREST BEACH.
UH, HERE'S ONE ON BATTER STREET.
IT IS A 0.27 F A R 3,500 SQUARE FOOT HOME WITH A, UM, ACREAGE OF 0.3.
UM, I DIDN'T PULL THIS DATA SINCE WE WERE IDENTIFYING OTHERS.
I I CAN, IF YOU HAVE A QUESTION ON THAT, I CAN GET BACK TO YOU ON THAT.
UM, HERE'S ONE ON BERKS BEACH ROAD.
SQUARE FOOTAGE IS 3,563 ON A 0.3 ACRE LOT.
THE HOME SIZE IS 5,148 AND A LOT SIZE OF 0.5 FIRETHORNE LANE.
UM, F A R OF 0.31 HOME SIZE OF 4,588 WITH A 0.34 ACRE LOT.
UM, THE HOME SIZE IS 4,436 AND THE LOT SIZE IS 0.32.
THIS HOME IS ON FOLLY FIELD ROAD.
IT HAS AN F A R OF 0.32 HOME SQUARE FOOTAGE OF 3,585 ON A 0.25 ACRE LOT.
THIS HOME IS ON SOUTH FOREST BEACH WITH A 0.32 F A R AND A HOME SQUARE FOOTAGE OF 3,883 IN THE LOT AREAS.
WHILE, WHILE WE'RE ON THAT SLIDE, LET ME JUST OUT THE AMOUNT OF AS, UH, AMOUNT OF CONCRETE IN FRONT OF THAT HOUSE THAT'S IMPORTANT TO OUR DISCUSSION LATER ON IN THE CONVERSATION.
WAS ACTUALLY DAVID, THANK YOU.
PART OF MY THOUGHT AND I FIGURED IT WOULD COME AT LATER PAYING ATTENTION AND I HOPE EVERYONE IS.
UM, MOST OF EVERYTHING WE'VE SEEN RIGHT NOW, UM, PRIOR TO THIS HAS HAD GREEN SPACE.
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ON SAND DOLLAR ROAD.THE HOME SQUARE FOOTAGE IS 4,750 AND THE LOT ACREAGE IS 0.33.
THIS HOME IS ON SANDPIPER STREET WITH AN F A R OF 0.35 AND A HOME SQUARE FOOTAGE OF 4,795.
SO NOW WE'RE GETTING ABOVE THIS COMMITTEE'S PREVIOUS ACTION.
THAT IS OUR ACTION STILL EXISTS.
IT WAS THIS FROM THIS SLIDE UP.
UM, THIS HOME IS ON DUNE LANE.
THE HOME SQUARE FOOTAGE IS 4,922 ON A LOT ACREAGE OF 0.23.
THIS HOME IS ON PADDOCKS BOULEVARD WITH AN F A R OF 0.41 AND A HOME SQUARE FOOTAGE OF 5,451.
AGAIN, I JUST HAVE TO KEEP HITTING THIS ONE.
THE AMOUNT OF IMPERVIOUS SURFACE ON THAT LOT IS A SIGNIFICANT PROBLEM FOR THE ENVIRONMENT AND DRAINAGE ISSUES FOR THE ISLAND.
UM, THIS APPEARS TO BE A PAVER DRIVEWAY.
UM, THIS ONE WAS ON COBBLESTONE COURT.
IT IS A F A R OF 0.42 AND THE HOME SIZE IS ONLY 1,160 WITH A LOT ACREAGE OF 0.11 ON AZALEA STREET.
THIS HOME IS POINT HAS AN F A R OF 0.45.
THE HOME SQUARE FOOTAGE IS 3,674 WITH A LOT ACREAGE OF 0.18.
THIS HOME ON DUNE LANE IS AN F A R OF 0.51 HOME SQUARE FOOTAGE OF 3006 AND A LOT ACREAGE OF 0.18.
CIRCLE WOOD DRIVE HAS AN F A R OF 0.58 AND A HOME SQUARE FOOTAGE OF 2,647.
AND A LOT ACREAGE OF 0.11 BEFORE YOU MOVE ON.
I THINK ONE OF THE PURPOSES OF THIS ENTIRE EFFORT HAS TO DO WITH THAT KIND OF A SUBDIVISION ON HILTON HEAD ISLAND.
THAT IS A SIGNIFICANT ISSUE FOR A VARIETY OF REASONS.
THE HOMES THAT YOU'VE SHOWN US THAT WILL 0.32 OR OR LOWER TO BE OR IN HILTON ISLAND CHARACTER, WHAT WE SEE HERE IN THIS IS NOT HILTON HEAD ISLAND CHARACTER.
AND IS THIS A ZERO LOT LINE SUBDIVISION? I CAN CHECK ON THAT.
IT CERTAINLY IS A SMALL LOT SUBDIVISION, WHETHER IT'S ZERO LOT LINE, I I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT RIGHT NOW.
WELL IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT ZERO LOT LINE 'CAUSE THEY'RE NOT BUDDING A LOT.
I YEAH, WELL THE SETBACK IS MINIMAL BRIDGE ALMOST TO THE BEACH.
THIS IS ALMOST ZERO LOT LINE
YEAH, IT IT CERTAINLY IS A SMALL LOT SUBDIVISION.
SO IT SPEAKS FOR ITSELF CORRECT.
WHETHER THE SIDES ARE TOUCHING OR NOT.
THIS IS A ZERO LOT LINE SUBDIVISION.
THE, THE DEVELOPMENT TYPE APPEARS TO BE DUPLEXES, BUT THEY ARE SINGLE FAMILY.
AND THE LOT ACREAGE IS 0.09, I'D, I'D BE VERY INTERESTED IN KNOWING WHAT THE LOT COVERAGE IS.
THAT HOUSE, AGAIN, I'M CONCERNED ABOUT HOW WE DEAL WITH DRAINAGE INTO THE FUTURE.
IT FLOODS THE BACK OF THAT, I PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE SEEN THIS HOME IS ON MOSSY OAKS LANE.
THE HOME SIZE IS 4,615 ON A LOT SIZE OF 0.28 ON BROADVIEW LANE.
THE F A R OF THIS HOME IS 0.74.
THE HOME SQUARE FOOTAGE IS 3,261 WITH A LOT ACREAGE OF 0.09.
ALRIGHT, DO WE KNOW, CAN, CAN YOU HELP US WHERE, LET ME KNOW WHERE THAT IS.
ACROSS FROM THE GLEN, UH, THAT GLEN RIGHT OFF OF MARSHLAND ROAD.
THE HOME SIZE IS 4,302 WITH A LOT ACREAGE OF 0.13.
HOME SQUARE FOOTAGE IS 2,418 WITH A LOT ACREAGE OF 0.09.
AND HERE'S A HOME ON BERMUDA POINT.
THE F A R IS ONE, THE HOME SQUARE FOOTAGE IS 4,047 AND THE LOT ACREAGE IS 0.09.
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ALSO, UH, A ZERO LOT LINE ATTACHED.IT LOOKS LIKE A, A TRADITIONAL TOWN HOME OR ROW HOME DEVELOPMENT, BUT THESE ARE SINGLE FAMILY LOTS.
SQUARE FOOTAGE IS 1,877 WITH A LOT SIZE OF 0.04.
HERE'S A HOME ON SANDCASTLE COURT.
THE F A R IS 1.372 HOME SQUARE FOOTAGE AT 4,451.
SO AFTER LOOKING AT SOME, PULLING THIS DATA, UM, THE TEAM IDENTIFIED SOME THEMES, OBVIOUSLY SMALLER LOTS, UM, WITH THE HOME SIZES THAT ARE BEING BUILT TODAY HAVE LARGER FAR.
UM, THE PURPOSE OF A FLOOR AREA RATIO IS TO REGULATE THE HOME SIZE TO THE LOT SIZE.
UM, AND SO WE DID LOOK AT, UM, IF THE 4% VERSUS 6%, UM, WAS SOMETHING THAT SHOWED SOME PATTERN, UH, FOR HIGHER FA AND IT, AND IT REALLY DIDN'T, UM, FROM WHAT WE LOOKED AT.
UM, SO, AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE DATA SET AGAIN, UM, YOU COULD SEE IF YOU REACHED THAT SAME CONCLUSION, BUT IT SEEMED LIKE THERE WASN'T A CO DIRECT CORRELATION BETWEEN, UM, WHETHER IT WAS A FULL-TIME RESIDENT OR, OR A SECOND HOME.
SO I HOPE THAT, UM, SLIDESHOW SHOWED SOME F A R EXAMPLES ON THE ISLAND SHOWS THE FULL RANGE OF FLOOR AREA RATIO AS WELL AS THE, THE HOME SIZE, UM, TO GIVE MORE, UM, INFORMATION AND ANALYSIS ON THE POTENTIAL TEXT AMENDMENT, UM, REGULATION.
SO WE ALSO LOOKED AT, UM, AND SOME OF THIS WAS INCLUDED IN THE LAST, UH, PRESENTATION AS WELL, UM, THE LAST FIVE YEARS OF BUILDING PERMIT DATA WHEN WE WERE LOOKING AT FLOOR AREA RATIO, UM, AND WE WERE LOOKING AT SOME BUILD OUT, UH, INFORMATION HERE.
IT SHOWS THE NUMBER OF RESIDENTIAL PERMITS FROM 2018 TO, TO TODAY.
UM, AND NEARLY HALF OF THOSE PERMITS ARE LOCATED IN A ZONING DISTRICT BESIDES PD ONE.
SO 520 OF THOSE OR 40% DO HAVE, UM, HOMES THAT ARE MORE THAN 4,000, UH, GROSS FLOOR AREA.
UM, ALSO 385 OF THOSE PERMITS ARE ABOVE THE 0.32 FLOOR AREA RATIO, OR 74% OF THE PERMITS WITHIN THIS FIVE YEARS OF BUILDING PERMIT DATA.
UM, SO THAT MAY SPEAK TO HOW MANY POSSIBLE LEGAL NON-CONFORMING USES MAY BE CREATED, UM, OF THE TOTAL NUMBER OF PERMITS WITHIN THIS FIVE YEAR DATASET.
UM, 16% OF THOSE ARE BETWEEN 0.32 AND 0.45.
UM, AND AGAIN, AS WE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT THAT, UM, FAMILY COMPOUNDS ARE CONSIDERED SINGLE FAMILY USE.
SO THEY WOULD BE SUBJECT TO THE FLOOR AREA RATIO REQUIREMENTS.
UM, THERE WAS A QUESTION ABOUT NONCONFORMITIES AND ITS APPLICABILITY TO, UM, THE REGULATIONS PROPOSED.
UM, THE NONCONFORMITIES SECTION DOES HAVE, UM, A PROCESS CALLED SUBSTITUTION OF NONCONFORMITIES FOR REDEVELOPMENT.
AND IF THERE WAS A LEGAL NONCONFORMING STRUCTURE, UM, IT COULD REBUILD WITHIN ITS FOOTPRINT, UM, IF IT ACHIEVES THE SUBSTITUTION OF NONCONFORMITIES FOR REDEVELOPMENT PROCESS.
PART OF THAT SAYS THAT THEY DO HAVE TO DO SOMETHING TO BRING THE SITE OR THE STRUCTURE MORE INTO CONFORMANCE WITH THE CODE.
UM, BUT THEY CAN, UH, REDEVELOP WITHIN, UM, OUR EXISTING NON-CONFORMITY REGULATIONS.
UM, THERE ALSO IS A QUESTION RELATED TO INSURANCE IMPLICATIONS.
UM, WE DON'T FULLY HAVE AN ANSWER ON THAT, BUT, UM, INSURANCE IS TYPICALLY BASED ON, UH, REPLACEMENT COSTS AND, UM, IF THE HOME CAN BE REBUILT, UM, THEN THERE SHOULD BE, SHOULD BE MINIMAL IMPACTS ON INSURANCE.
HOWEVER, WE'RE STILL WORKING ON A FULL COMPLETE ANSWER TO THE INSURANCE IMPLICATION QUESTION.
SO THAT IS THE COMPLETION OF THE F A R PORTION OF THE PRESENTATION.
AND IF THERE ARE QUESTIONS OR IF THERE'S ADDITIONAL INFORMATION THAT WE DIDN'T PROVIDE TODAY THAT YOU STILL NEED, UM, WE CAN CERTAINLY BRING THAT FORWARD.
UM, AND I WANNA KNOW IF THE IMAGERY THAT WE SUPPLIED IS, ARE THE, THE EXAMPLES FROM ACROSS THE ISLAND THAT
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GIVES A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF, OF WHAT THE IMPLICATIONS ARE FOR A FLOOR AREA RATIO AND A POSSIBLE MAXIMUM HOME SIZE CAP.AND, UM, SO I HOPE THAT WE'VE PROVIDED ADDITIONAL INFORMATION THAT, UM, THAT YOU CAN MAKE A GOOD DECISION WITH.
ALRIGHT, UM, YOU CAN MAKE A PRESENTATION AFTER WE TAKE ACTION ON THIS.
IS THAT YOUR RECOMMENDATION? I, UM, OR, OR I COULD CONTINUE AND, UM, GO THROUGH THE PARKING.
WHY DON'T, WHY DON'T YOU DO THE PARKING AND THEN WE'LL TRY TO DO BOTH AT THE SAME TIME.
UM, SO WHAT IS PARKING? UM, SO WE HAVE, UM, OFF STREET PARKING ARE TO MINIMIZE BILLABLE PARKING ON PUBLIC STREETS AND TO ENSURE A SAFE AND EFFICIENT SUPPLY OF PARKING THAT'S ADEQUATE TO THE DEVELOPMENT THAT'S ON THE GROUND.
UM, PARKING CALCULATIONS ARE ROUTINELY, UM, CALCULATED BY ACCOUNTING FOR THE GROSS FLOOR AREAS, SQUARE FOOTAGE.
UM, OUR RESIDENTIAL PARKING SUPPLY IS BASED ON A CERTAIN NUMBER OF SPACES PER DWELLING UNIT AND THEN A GROSS FLOOR AREA THERE.
FROM THIS CHART SHOWS, UM, IN THE, IN THE FIRST COLUMN, IT IDENTIFIES SOME OF THE OPTIONS THAT WERE LOOKED AT.
OUR EXISTING REGULATIONS, UM, ARE IN THE TOP ROW.
UM, SO OUR, THE CURRENT CODE SAYS THAT WE CALCULATE PARKING FOR SINGLE FAMILY AS TWO PER DWELLING UNIT, PLUS ONE PER 1,250 GROSS FLOOR AREA OVER 4,000.
AND THE ARROW AT THE BOTTOM COLUMN SHOWS WHAT P P C UH, RECOMMENDED LAST MONTH, THAT WE CHANGE OUR REGULATIONS TO TWO PER DWELLING UNIT, PLUS ONE PER 750 GROSS FLOOR AREA OVER 200.
AND THEN YOU CAN COMPARE, UM, THAT AT A SMALLER HOME SIZE, THE IMPACT THAT OUT OF A 2,500 SQUARE FOOT HOME WOULD BE ONE ADDITIONAL PARKING SPACE.
UM, A 3,500 SQUARE FOOT HOME WOULD BE TWO MORE PARKING SPACES AND SO ON AND SO FORTH.
SO YOU CAN SEE A 6,000 SQUARE FOOT HOME WOULD HAVE FOUR ADDITIONAL SPACES AS PART OF THIS.
THIS IS WHAT THE TABLE OUTLINES.
UM, AND SO, AND, AND VARIOUS OPTIONS FOR REGULATING PARKING WERE ANALYZED AND, AND WHAT THOSE CHANGES COULD BE BASED ON, UH, SQUARE FOOTAGE OF A HOME.
SO THE, UH, PARKING AND LOADING STANDARDS, UM, WERE APPLICABLE TO, UM, ALL OF THE SINGLE FAMILY USE TYPES.
SO IT APPLIES TO, UM, ALL OF THOSE ZONING DISTRICTS THAT ALLOW SINGLE FAMILY AND THE PD ONE DISTRICTS.
UM, AND EVEN IF HERE IN, IN ITEM THREE, EVEN IF THE HOME IS EXPANDED AND THEIR, THEIR GROSS FLOOR AREA IS INCREASED, THAT COULD IMPACT THEIR PARKING COUNTS.
SO THAT'S WHAT THAT SHOWS THERE.
UM, SO WHAT ARE SOME OF THE EFFECTS OF PARKING? UM, AGAIN, IN THAT TABLE, IT SHOWS THAT A AVERAGE 4,500 SQUARE FOOT HOME WOULD DOUBLE THE, THE REQUIRED PARKING SPACES FROM THREE TO SIX.
UM, THE REGULATION DOESN'T CHANGE HOW WE MEASURE PARKING SPACES.
UM, A PARKING SPACE IS A NINE BY 18 SPACE.
UM, BUT IT COULD HAVE, AS YOU POINTED OUT WHEN WE WERE GOING THROUGH THE VISUALS, UM, THE IMPERVIOUS TO PERVIOUS COVERAGE ON A LOT.
UH, WELL, THE REGULATIONS DON'T REQUIRE THAT THE SURFACE TYPE, UH, OF THE ADDITIONAL PARKING CASES DOESN'T COUNT.
IT DOESN'T COUNT PERVIOUS OR IMPERVIOUS CURRENTLY.
UM, AS, AS DRAFTED, IT DOES NOT.
SORRY, I JUST DIDN'T UNDERSTAND.
UM, AND THEN WE WERE ASKED TO, UM, TALK ABOUT, UM, IMPERVIOUS COVERAGE ON SINGLE FAMILY LOTS.
UM, IN OUR OVERLAY DISTRICTS, THEY DO HAVE, UM, IMPERVIOUS COVERAGE REQUIREMENTS THAT ARE PART OF THE CRITERIA THAT ARE, UM, UNIQUE TO THOSE OVERLAYS.
UM, FOR THE REST OF THE ISLAND, THE IMPERVIOUS COVERAGE IS CALCULATED AT THE TIME THAT THE SUBDIVISION IS BEING PLANNED.
AND THEN THE INDIVIDUAL LOTS AFTER THE SUBDIVISION HAS BEEN APPROVED, DO NOT HAVE AN IMPERVIOUS COVERAGE, UH, REQUIREMENT.
UM, THIS IS THE MAP THAT SHOWS WHERE THE PARKING, OH, IT LOOKS REALLY WASHED OUT, UM, ON THE SCREEN.
UM, WHERE THE, WHERE THE PARKING IS, UM, PROPOSED, UH, THESE CHANGES.
SO AGAIN, IT'S, IT'S ALMOST SIMILAR TO THE PREVIOUS MAP, BUT IT DOES INCLUDE THE PD ONE DISTRICTS.
SO THESE ARE ALL DISTRICTS THAT ALLOW SINGLE FAMILY, UM, USE.
UM, THESE ARE THE REVIEW STANDARDS FOR TEXT AMENDMENTS, UM, PER THE LAND MANAGEMENT ORDINANCE.
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UM, AND ARE THE, THE GUIDELINES FOR REVIEWING A TEXT AMENDMENT.UM, AND, AND THAT REALLY CONCLUDES THANK YOU.
UM, MEMBERS, UH, DO YOU WANT TO HEAR FROM THE PUBLIC BEFORE YOU MAKE YOUR COMMENTS OR, I'D LIKE TO HEAR FROM THE PUBLIC FIVE MINUTE BREAK.
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I LIVED IN, UH, INDIGO RUN, UH, AND I, UM, I HAD SOME REACTIONS THAT I MADE NOTES ON, SO I DON'T HAVE A PREPARED THING, BUT I, I'M JUST GONNA, UH, KIND OF READ OFF THE NOTES.
AND, UM, SO, UM, THOSE CONNECTED BUILDINGS CONNOTE IN URBAN SETTING ANOTHER, WE NEED SEPARATE BUILDINGS WITH A PREDOMINANTLY TREE FILLED ENVIRONMENT LIKE IT IS NOW.
UM, I FORGOT I WANTED TO SAY I, I DON'T TRAVEL DOWN ARROW ROAD TOO MUCH, MOSTLY LEAVING THESE MEETINGS, BUT MY IMPRESSION IS IT'S TREES PUNCTUATED BY BUILDINGS.
IT'S NOT PREDOMINANTLY BUILDINGS THAT YOU SEE.
AND I THINK THAT THE WAY IT IS NOW, UH, CONNOTES MUCH MORE THE CHARACTER OF HILTON HEAD ISLAND.
UM, NOT ROW STORES AND ROW HOUSES.
UH, I SEE THIS QUOTE, REDEVELOPMENT PROPOSAL AS A FUNDAMENTAL CHANGE IN THE ENTIRE CHARACTER OF HILTON HEAD ISLAND FROM CHERRY DOMINATED WITH SOME SCATTERED BUILDINGS TO ROWS OF BUILDINGS.
WITH ALL THE RANDOM TREES REMOVED, DO WE WANT THE BLUFFTON PROMENADE LOOK TO REPLACE THE MORE NATURAL ENVIRONMENT THAT NOW CHARACTERIZES HI NET ISLAND.
UH, HOW MUCH DO WE WANT TO TRANSFORM THE FUNDAMENTAL IDENTITY OF HILTON HEAD ILAND FROM A NATURE AND ENVIRONMENT, UH, CENTRIC GEOGRAPHIC ENTITY TO A MORE URBAN ORIENTED ENVIRONMENT, WE DO NOT NEED TRANSFORMATIVE AS A MAJOR CHARACTERIZING THEME ON HILTON HEAD ISLAND.
THERE ARE NO ONE, THERE ARE NO OTHERS WHO WANT TO ADDRESS DISTRICT PLANNING.
HEY, THIS ONE, THIS ONE OR THIS ONE? UM, I'M ANGIE HUTCHINS.
UM, I LOVE, UH, THAT YOU, DAVID SAID, AND MSRA SAID, UM, THAT WE, WE REALLY NEED TO FOCUS ON WHO ARE WE TRYING TO SERVE.
AND TO PIGGYBACK OFF OF GRAYS, I LOVE BLUFFTON.
BLUFFTON ISS GREAT, BUT I LOVE ITALY, BUT I LIVE IN HILTON HEAD.
UM, I THINK THAT'S REALLY, REALLY IMPORTANT.
AND I'M ALSO CONCERNED ABOUT, LIKE, I'M, I'M AMAZED BY INDIVIDUALS AND THIS ISLAND IS FULL OF SOME OF THE MOST CREATIVE AND AMAZING INDIVIDUALS WHO LOVE THE LAND AND THAT'S WHY THEY CHOSE TO LIVE HERE.
AND IF THE TOWN IS TRYING TO TAKE
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OVER THE VISION, WE LOSE SOME OF THE INTRICACIES OF INDIVIDUAL CREATIVITY IN TERMS OF HAVING TOO, TOO TIGHT OF A PLAN OR SOMETHING.I WAS JUST A LITTLE CONCERNED ABOUT HOW MUCH ARE WE CONTROLLING OR SEEKING TO CONTROL.
AND YOU CAN HAVE ALL THESE FANTASTIC PLANS AND WE DON'T KNOW THE FUTURE.
WE CAN TRY TO PLAN THE BEST WE CAN FOR THE FUTURE, BUT IT SEEMS OVERWHELMINGLY COMPLEX AND I'M GONNA COME BACK TO THAT LATER.
ALRIGHT, LET'S MOVE ON TO F A AND PART.
I'M CHESTER WILLIAMS AND I'VE, I'VE JUST MENTIONED THIS TO MISSY, BUT I'M, I'M NOT SURE SHE'S CORRECT WHEN SHE SAYS THAT SCREENED PORCHES ARE INCLUDED IN THE CALCULATION OF GROSS FLOOR AREA, BECAUSE THE DEFINITION SAYS THE AREA WITHIN THE PERIMETER OF THE EXTERIOR WALLS OF THE BUILDING.
AND I DON'T THINK YOU CAN CALL A SCREEN AN EXTERIOR WALL OF THE BUILDING.
OTHER COMMENTS ABOUT THE DISCUSSION ON THE F A AND PARKING? YOU'RE MOVING BEYOND THE HOUR OF DEVELOPMENT, CORRECT? YEAH.
JIM COWEN, I OWN THE HOME OF BRADLEY CIRCLE.
UM, I THINK YOU HAVE TO LOOK AND UNDERSTAND THERE'S A FAR DIFFERENCE BETWEEN SOME OF THESE NEW LARGE SCALE DEVELOPMENTS ON ZERO LOT LINES THAT YOU WERE LOOKING AT AND HOW THOSE ARE ZONED AND HOW, WHAT THE RATIOS ARE THERE COMPARED TO NEIGHBORHOODS THAT ARE 90% BUILT OUT OR, OR REDEVELOPED.
I WAS VERY HAPPY TO HEAR YOU SAY WHEN YOU TALKED ABOUT THE ARROW DEVELOPMENT, YOU DON'T WANT TO TAKE PROPERTY OWNERS PROPERTY FROM THEM.
I'M ASSUMING BRADLEY CIRCLE FALLS INTO THE FOLLY FIELD AREA.
UM, WHERE, WHERE WOULD THAT FALL INTO IF IT DOESN'T FALL? OVERLAY OVERLAY? BRADLEY CIRCLE DOES NOT HAVE AN OVERLAY.
SO THIS APPLIES OR DOES NOT APPLY THE, THE FAR THAT YOU'RE DISCUSSING APPLY, IT APPLIES.
SO IF THIS APPLIES TO MY PROPERTY, RIGHT? MY ABILITY TO SUBDIVIDE THAT PROPERTY IN THE SQUARE FOOTAGE I COULD BUILD ON THAT GREATLY DIMINISHES.
SO IN EFFECT, YOU ARE TAKING MY PROPERTY FROM ME AND IT HAS GREAT E ECONOMIC IMPACT.
AND I'M SURE YOU GUYS ALL UNDERSTAND ECONOMICS.
WHEN I BOUGHT THE PROPERTY, I LOOKED AT THE FUTURE DEVELOPMENT, AND EVERY TIME A PROPERTY GETS DEVELOPMENT, SUPPLY GOES DOWN, IF DEMAND REMAINS, EVEN VALUES GO UP WHEN I NO LONGER CAN DIVIDE THE PROPERTY IN THE SAME WAY, BUILD THE SAME SQUARE FOOTAGE THAT DOZENS AND DOZENS OF OTHER PEOPLE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD HAVE BEEN AFFORDED.
AND I THINK THERE'S, AND THERE'S PEOPLE MAYBE ON THIS COMMITTEE THAT'S HOME, WOULDN'T COMPLY WITH THE 0.32 RATIO.
UM, YOU'RE, YOU'RE TAKING MY PROPERTY AND YOU SAY YOU DON'T WANT TO TAKE MY PROPERTY.
THERE'S, THERE'S A BIG DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A NEW A HUNDRED OR 200 HOME SUBDIVISION ON ZEROS LOT LINES.
AND PEOPLE MADE THAT STRATEGIC INVESTMENTS WHEN NOBODY WANTED TO BUY HILTON HAD REAL ESTATE AND TAKING THAT PROPERTY FROM ME IN THAT DEVELOPMENTAL, RIGHT? SO 90% OF IT'S DONE.
YOU HAVE TO REALLY CONSIDER THE DIFFERENCE IN EACH LITTLE NEIGHBORHOOD AND NOT MAKE A BLANKET RULE.
AND THERE'S ALSO CREATIVE WAYS YOU TALKED ABOUT WORKING WITH PROPERTY OWNERS, RIGHT? TO, TO MAKE IT FAIR AND EQUITABLE.
THERE'S STATES, THERE'S LOCAL MUNICIPALITIES THAT INCENTIVIZE OWNERS TO TAKE PAYMENTS UPFRONT TO NOT DEVELOP THEIR PROPERTY, RIGHT, LEAVE IT FARMLAND OR LEAVE IT LESS DENSITY.
SO YOU NEED TO THINK OF CREATIVE WAYS NOT TO ECONOMICALLY PUNITIVELY DAMAGE.
PROPERTY OWNERS THAT BOUGHT PROPERTY DIDN'T DO MASSIVE DEVELOPMENTS RIGHT AWAY, BUT RETAINED THE RIGHT TO, AND YOU TALK ABOUT FUTURE GENERATIONS, I'LL LOOK AT MY KIDS.
IT'S NOT SO MUCH ABOUT ME, BUT THAT MONEY AND THAT LAND AND THAT DEVELOPMENT ARE FOR MY CHILDREN AND MY GRANDCHILDREN.
SO YOU HAVE TO TAKE THAT ALL INTO CONSIDERATION.
HAS MAJOR, MAJOR IMPACT ON PEOPLE.
AND THERE'S A BIG DIFFERENCE BETWEEN SOMETHING OFF OF ONE STREET FOR A HUNDRED HOMES AND ONE LOT IN THANK YOU.
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AND, SORRY, WHAT'S YOUR NAME? DON HAM.UH, AND I HAVE A LOT IN THE BRADLEY BEACH CIRCLE ALSO.
I'M NOT LOOKING TO DEVELOP IT INTO A LARGE RENTAL PROPERTY.
IT WAS MEANT TO BE WHERE I RETIRE AND I'VE OWNED IT PROBABLY SEVEN OR SO YEARS.
UM, I HAVEN'T BUILT ON IT YET BECAUSE I'M NOT, I DON'T HAVE THE MONEY YET
AND, YOU KNOW, I'M LOOKING TO BUILD SOMETHING 25.
I'M IN A POSTAGE STAMP JUST LIKE SOME OF THOSE LAST PICTURES.
BUT IF THIS LAW OR THIS ORDINANCE PASSES, WHAT'S GONNA ULTIMATELY HAPPEN IS I'M GONNA HAVE A HOUSE NEXT TO HIM IF I WERE TO BUILD, AND IT'LL BE LIKE A SHED.
IT'LL, I'LL BE LIKE, THERE'S SHED
SO I THINK IT, I THINK MORE CONSIDERATION RATHER THAN BLANKET FARS ACROSS THE WHOLE COMMUNITY.
I ALSO SAW OTHER PICTURES UP THERE WHERE LOTS, WHERE THERE'S SOME BIG SQUARE FOOTAGE.
I'M NOT LOOKING, I'M LOOKING AT 2,500 SQUARE FOOT, BUT IF, UH, YOU KNOW, IF YOU, IF YOU PASS THIS LAW, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE HOUSES, BIG HOUSES, AND THEN A LITTLE HOUSE AND MY PROPERTY VALUE GOES DOWN, JUST LIKE A GENTLEMAN SAID BACK THERE.
AND I COULDN'T EVEN SELL MY LOT IF THIS PASSES AND GET PROBABLY BACK WHAT I PAID FOR IT SEVEN OR EIGHT YEARS AGO.
SO I THINK MORE THOUGHT NEEDS TO BE CONSIDERED THAN THIS.
IN ADDITION, IF MY GARAGE WILL BE UNDERNEATH, I CAN'T LIVE THERE.
'CAUSE IT'S A FLOOD ZONE, IF THAT'S INCLUDED.
I, I, I PRETTY MUCH HAVE NOTHING
SO THAT'S THE REASON I'M HERE TODAY.
THANKS FOR TAKING THE TIME, MISS ANGIE.
I I HAVE TWO QUESTIONS FOR MISSY, ACTUALLY.
UM, THE SQUARE FOOTAGE THAT YOU GAVE US IN THE WONDERFUL PRESENTATION THAT WAS INCLUDING THE UNHEATED AND EVERYTHING, CAN I ASK THAT? WELL, I MAY I, LET ME MAKE THE SUGGESTION.
WELL, BECAUSE IT WOULD CHANGE ALL THOSE RATIOS.
AND THEN AT THE END OF THE MEETING, YOU AND, AND MS. UM, OKAY.
AND THEN THE, I NOTICED A TREND SIGNIFICANTLY THROUGH THE PRESENTATION THAT THE THINGS WITH THE HIGHER F A R WERE ALL MORE RECENT BECAUSE DEVELOPMENT, I MEAN, WHAT'S NOT EVEN BEEN DISCUSSED THAT I'VE HEARD SO FAR IS DEVELOPMENT COSTS ARE SIGNIFICANTLY HIGHER TO DEVELOP ATTRACTIVE LAND.
PEOPLE ARE PAYING MUCH MORE TO GET THEIR LAND AND THEN THEY HAVE MUCH MORE INFRASTRUCTURE COSTS IN TERMS OF SEWAGE, WATER, ELECTRICITY, AND ET CETERA.
UM, AND THAT'S MUCH MORE NOW THAN IT WAS IN 1970.
MOST OF THE ONES THAT WERE ON THE TAIL END, WHAT WE DON'T REALLY WANT ON HILTON HEAD ARE GOING TO COST MORE.
AND WHO ARE WE BUILDING FOR? 'CAUSE IF WE EVEN HOPED TO HAVE ISLANDER WORKING PEOPLE HOUSING, THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO GET TO THE $2 MILLION RANGE.
SO I JUST THINK THAT'S A, THAT'S A VARIABLE THAT WASN'T THROWN IN THERE.
AND I ALSO WANTED TO MENTION THAT, UM, THE LAST TWO GENTLEMEN, UM, AND AS A REALTOR, I SEE THIS BECAUSE WHEN COMPENSATION IS REQUIRED, THIS, THIS IS A CATO, UM, INSTITUTE I GOT REALLY INTERESTED IN ON SIDETRACK OF PROPERTY RIGHTS WITH READING AND LEARNING ABOUT ALL THIS.
UM, AND THERE'S A SPECIFIC ARTICLE ABOUT WHEN COMPENSATION IS REQUIRED, AND IT'S WRITTEN TOWARD A GOVERNMENT, THE NATIONAL GOVERNMENT LEVEL, BUT THERE'S SOME LOCAL THINGS THAT ARE REALLY PERTINENT THAT AREN'T BEING LIKE LANDOWNERS SUCH AS THOSE TWO GENTLEMEN AND MANY, MANY OTHERS.
'CAUSE THERE WERE THREE DISTRICTS THAT WERE THE MOST, THAT WAS 132 OR 140 DIFFERENT PROPERTIES THAT WOULD BE ABOVE THAT AVERAGE OF THAT 0.32, WHICH IS SO DRASTIC, UM, IF YOU'RE, IF YOU'RE GONNA JUST CHARGE INTO NEW RESTRICTIONS FOR AT LEAST THOSE 132 PROPERTY OWNERS, IT'S OPENING A CAN OF WORMS FOR LIABILITY AS FAR AS WHEN COMPENSATION IS REQUIRED OF WHEN A GOVERNMENT BAIT AND SWITCHES A PROPERTY OWNER.
AND SO I'D LIKE YOU TO JUST CONSIDER WHAT THAT PROPERTY RIGHTS IS LIKE.
OTHER COMMENTS FROM THE BOOK? ANDRE? HI, GOOD MORNING.
UH, ANDRE WHITE, UH, 2 82 BEAT CITY ROAD.
UM, I'M COMING UP HERE NOT NECESSARILY TALKING ABOUT THE ECONOMIC IMPACTS OF THAT, BUT THE LAND UTILIZATION FOR, UM, FAMILIES SUCH AS MINE, UM, THAT PAST LAND ONTO GENERATIONS, UM, AND HAVE THE ABILITY TO, UH, UTILIZE OUR PROPERTY.
UM, I THINK ONE EXAMPLE MISSY HAD WAS OF A FAMILY COMPOUND WHERE I THINK IT WAS 1.83 ACRES AND THERE WERE SIX UNITS ON IT.
SO IN A TOTAL, I BELIEVE 6,000 SQUARE FEET.
SO LIKE IN MY CASE, I HAVE ONE ACRE, I HAVE THREE CHILDREN, RIGHT? OUR CURRENT HOME IS A LITTLE OVER 3000 SQUARE FEET.
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I COULD ONLY GIVE MY CHILDREN, MY CHILDREN COULD ONLY BUILD 3 333 3 330 SQUARE FOOT STRUCTURES ON OUR ONE ACRE PARCEL IF YOU HAVE THE 4,000 SQUARE FOOT CAP.SO THAT JUST FOR, FOR, SO FOR ME AND FOR OTHER FAMILIES THAT MIGHT HAVE THAT CONDITION, I THINK THE 4,000 SQUARE FOOT CAP PER SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE OR PROPERTY IS VERY LIMITING.
UM, SO I JUST WANTED TO BRING THAT TO YOUR ATTENTION.
ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO ADDRESS
GOOD MORNING, CHAIRMAN AND MEMBERS OF THE HILTON HEAD PUBLIC PLANNING COMMITTEE.
MY NAME IS JOCELYN STEIGER AND I APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS YOU TODAY.
ON BEHALF OF THE 1600 PLUS MEMBERS REGARDING THE PROPOSED FLOOR AREA RATIO, AMENDMENT TO THE LAND MANAGEMENT ORDINANCE, WHILE WE ACKNOWLEDGE THE IMPORTANCE OF RESPONSIBLE DEVELOPMENT AND PRESERVING THE UNIQUE CHARACTER OF OUR ISLAND, WE BELIEVE IT IS EQUALLY VITAL TO PROTECT THE PROPERTY RIGHTS OF RESIDENTS AND LANDOWNERS.
THE PROPOSED F A R AMENDMENT, IN OUR OPINION, LEANS TOO HEAVILY TOWARD REGULATION AND REQUIRES CAREFUL CONSIDERATION TO STRIKE A BALANCE BETWEEN PRESERVATION AND INDIVIDUAL RIGHTS.
HILTON HEAD ISLAND HAS A RICH HISTORY OF HOME OWNERSHIP AND PROPERTY RIGHTS RESIDENTS HAVE MADE SUBSTANTIAL INVESTMENTS IN THEIR PROPERTIES, AND THESE INVESTMENTS SHOULD BE RESPECTED.
IT IS CRUCIAL THAT ANY PROPOSED AMENDMENTS TO THE L M O TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THE IMPACT ON PRIVATE PROPERTY RIGHTS AND THE ABILITY OF HOMEOWNERS TO ENJOY THEIR PROPERTIES TO ITS HIGHEST AND BEST USE.
WE ENCOURAGE THE COMMITTEE TO THOROUGHLY REVIEW THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT TO ENSURE IT DOESN'T UNDULY RESTRICT HOMEOWNER'S ABILITY TO MAKE REASONABLE MODIFICATIONS OR IMPROVEMENTS TO THEIR PROPERTIES.
STRIKING THE RIGHT BALANCE BETWEEN PRESERVING OUR ISLAND'S CHARACTER AND RESPECTING PRIVATE PROPERTY RIGHTS IS ESSENTIAL TO MAINTAINING THE HARMONY OF OUR COMMUNITY.
FURTHERMORE, WE URGE THE COMMITTEE TO CONSIDER THE POTENTIAL UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES OF OVERREGULATION.
WHILE WE ALL WANT TO PROTECT HILTON HEAD ISLAND'S NATURAL BEAUTY AND UNIQUE CHARM, WE SHOULD BE CAUTIOUS ABOUT STIFLING INNOVATION AND ECONOMIC GROWTH.
OVERLY RESTRICTIVE REGULATIONS CAN DETER INVESTMENT AND DEVELOPMENT, WHICH CAN HAVE A NEGATIVE IMPACT ON OUR LOCAL ECONOMY.
ALSO, MANY CITIZENS LIVE OUTSIDE OF PUDS PURPOSEFULLY TO NOT DEAL WITH EXCESSIVE RULES AND REGULATIONS.
THIS AMENDMENT PROPOSES TO RESTRICT AND REGULATE THOSE VERY PEOPLE.
IN CLOSING, WE RESPECTFULLY REQUEST THAT THE HILTON HEAD ISLAND PUBLIC PLANNING COMMITTEE TAKE A THOUGHTFUL AND BALANCED APPROACH TO THE F A R AMENDMENT.
LET US ENSURE THAT WHILE WE PRESERVE OUR ISLAND'S CHARACTER, WE ALSO SAFEGUARD THE RIGHTS OF PROPERTY OWNERS AND ALLOW FOR RESPONSIBLE GROWTH AND DEVELOPMENT.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND YOUR CONSIDERATION.
WOULD ANYBODY ELSE LIKE TO ADDRESS THE PUBLIC PLANNING COMMITTEE? GOOD MORNING.
UM, ONE OF THESE DAYS I'M GONNA GET UP HERE AND NOT BE SO NERVOUS WHEN I SPEAK.
I LIVE ON WALKING HORSE STREET OFF OF JONESVILLE ROAD.
UM, THANK, THANK YOU GUYS FOR LISTENING TO ALL OF US.
UM, I WOULD LIKE TO THANK ALL OF YOU FOR YOUR TIME, EVERYTHING YOU DO, LISTENING TO US, BUT I WANNA BRING TO YOUR ATTENTION TO PEOPLE THAT COME HERE, UM, THE MOMS THAT, THAT LEAD, THAT HAVE TO LEAD, NOT JUST THIS MEETING, ALL THE MEETINGS.
I BETTER READ IT INSTEAD OF TRYING TO WING IT.
UM, I WANT Y'ALL TO REALIZE THAT WE HAVE PEOPLE HERE WATCHING FROM HOME LIVE OR LATER THAT TAKE THE TIME OFF OF WORK, CHANGE DOCTOR'S APPOINTMENTS, MOTHERS MAKING ARRANGEMENTS TO HAVE THEIR CHILDREN PICKED UP FROM SCHOOL.
PEOPLE WITH BAD BACKS THAT CAN BARELY SIT IN THESE CHAIRS.
AND I PERSONALLY HAVE SAT IN HERE IN CHAMBERS WITH MY OWN GRANDCHILDREN TO BE AT A MEETING.
UM, WE ALL JUST WANT TO BE HEARD, SOME OF US, LIKE WE'RE NOT BEING HEARD AND WE'RE CONSTANT.
WE'RE TELLING Y'ALL WHAT WE WANT.
UM, WE ARE SHOWING UP, SPEAKING OUT, WRITING IN, AND ASKING FOR OFF PLANTATION RESIDENTIAL AREAS.
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UH, WE, WE ARE ASKING THAT OUR RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS BE SPARED FROM OVERDEVELOPMENT AND INTRUSION.WE DO NOT HAVE SECURITY GATES OR SECURITY GUARDS.
A 0.32 FAR WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT THE NUMBER, UM, WILL BE ADJUSTED IN SOME AREAS THROUGH DISTRICT PLANNING WILL ONLY HELP OUR NEIGHBORHOODS.
WE ARE ASKING FOR THE PROTECTION OF THE QUALITY OF OUR LIFE.
AND I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO SAY THAT, UM, KELLY LEBLANC WOULD'VE BEEN HERE TODAY.
UM, SHE IS WITH HER HUSBAND RIGHT NOW.
UM, SO I'D REALLY LIKE FOR US TO ALL PRAY FOR NEWTON AND BE THINKING ABOUT NEWTON.
I WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THE PUBLIC PLANNING COMMITTEE.
THAT CORRECT? I THOUGHT IT WAS, UH, VERY INSTRUCTIVE AS MISSY WENT THROUGH ALL THOSE, THOSE PICTURES AND, AND THE INCREASING F A R DENSITY.
AND I WANT TO, UH, WHOLEHEARTEDLY AGREE WITH GLEN WHEN HE SPONTANEOUSLY ABOUT HALFWAY THROUGH WHERE, I DON'T KNOW, THE FARS MIGHT HAVE BEEN IN THE 0.4 AND ABOVE RATIO WHEN HE TOOK A LOOK AT THAT PICTURE AND SAID, THAT IS NOT HILTON HEAD ISLAND.
THESE BOXES THAT ARE, YOU KNOW, SO, UH, JUST THEY'RE SIX FEET IN, IN BETWEEN 'EM AND STUFF.
UM, WE NEED TO, UM, WE NEED TO COME UP WITH SOME F A R FORMULA, SOME CONSTRUCTIVE, UH, THINKING TO OBVIATE THOSE, UH, GOING FORWARD.
I READ AN ARTICLE, UM, A COUPLE OF DAYS AGO, I'M GONNA SEND IT TO YOU.
UM, AND IT, IT TALKED ABOUT HOW SHORT-TERM RENTALS HAVE WRECKED VEIL, UM, AND A LOT OF THE COLORADO SKI RESORT AREAS.
AND ONE OF THE REASON, ONE OF THE WAYS THAT THIS ARTICLE POINTED OUT THAT IT WRECKED IT IS IT DESTROYED WORKFORCE HOUSING BECAUSE YOU HAD BLACKROCK AND VANGUARD AND STATE STREET ALL CORPORATELY COME IN AND BUY UP THESE HOUSES.
AND SOME OF THEM, THEY TORE 'EM DOWN AND PUT UNITS FOR, YOU KNOW, NEAR THE SKI AREAS, VERY SIMILAR TO THE UNITS THAT MISSY PUT UP THERE.
AND NOW PEOPLE THAT WORKED IN THE RESORTS AND WORKED IN THE RESTAURANTS, THEY WERE KICKED OUT AND THEY, YOU KNOW, WENT 30, 40 MILES AWAY.
SO I THINK, UM, WHEN WE WORK ON THESE FAR AND RESTRICT, UM, THESE, THESE, UM, HIGH DENSITY, UH, CONSTRUCTION AREAS ON OUR ISLAND, WE'RE ACTUALLY, IN ADDITION, WE ARE HELPING WORKFORCE HOUSING ON THIS ISSUE.
IT'S A, YOU KNOW, IT'S ALL PART OF THE BIG PICTURE.
SO I DID WANNA POINT THAT OUT.
SO, UH, I REALLY HOPE THAT WE CAN ARRIVE AT A FORMULA THAT, UM, ALLOWS CONSTRUCTION OF, YOU KNOW, REASONABLE HOUSING VERSUS THEIR PROPERTY GOING FORWARD.
UM, AND WE DON'T HAVE ANY MORE OF THESE THINGS THAT, UH, GLENN AND I BOTH DON'T WANNA SEE ON HILTON HEAD ANYMORE.
I'M PREPARED TO SPEAK THIS MORNING, BUT MY NAME IS LORI SLAC.
I ALSO LIVE ON JONESVILLE ROAD.
AND, UM, I JUST WANNA ENCOURAGE YOU, I KNOW WE HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO ARE, UM, WORRIED ABOUT THEIR INVESTMENTS THAT THEY'VE MADE ON HILTON HEAD ISLAND, AS ARE ALL OF US.
UM, AND WE KEEP BEING TOLD TO BE PATIENT AND TO WAIT FOR DISTRICT PLANNING.
AND, AND WE ARE REALLY ON BOARD WITH DISTRICT PLANNING AND THINK IT'S A GREAT IDEA TO LOOK AT EVERYTHING STRATEGICALLY AND REALLY IDENTIFY WHERE WE SHOULD GROW, WHERE WE SHOULD PRESERVE, AND ALL THE PLACES ON THE ISLAND THAT WE WANT TO PROTECT.
UM, BUT I ENCOURAGE YOU TODAY, ONCE THINGS ARE DONE, THEY CAN'T BE UNDONE.
SO PUTTING AN F A R THAT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE CONSERVATIVE IN RIGHT NOW MIGHT RESTRICT SOME IMMEDIATE DEVELOPMENT.
BUT AS WE GO BACK INTO THESE DISTRICTS AND WE LOOK AT THEM, WE CAN, WE CAN ADJUST THAT.
ONCE BUILDINGS ARE BUILT, WE CAN'T GO BACK AND UNBUILD THEM.
SO I KNOW A LOT OF FOLKS IN BRADLEY CIRCLE ARE VERY FAMILIAR WITH THAT.
UM, BUT ONCE IT'S DONE, IT CAN'T BE UNDONE.
SO I JUST ENCOURAGE YOU TODAY TO THINK ABOUT THAT AS IF YOU FEEL LIKE IT'S A LITTLE BIT CONSERVATIVE.
MAYBE IT IS A LITTLE UNCOMFORTABLE, BUT IT'S A LITTLE BIT OF A PAUSE, A BREAK, A DEEP BREATH SO WE CAN FIGURE OUT WHERE WE WANT THIS ISLAND TO GO.
OR IF WE DON'T, ALL OF THIS PLANNING AND ALL OF THESE PROCESSES ARE MOOT BECAUSE WE'RE GONNA BUILD THINGS WE CAN'T GO BACK AND UNDO.
SO I JUST WANNA ENCOURAGE YOU TO TAKE THAT IN CONSIDERATION TODAY.
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ELSE WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS? BRING IT BACK TO THE DAAS? I'LL SAY SOMETHING REAL QUICK.HI, UM, MY NAME'S LISA FLEMING.
UM, I DON'T HAVE A LOT TO SAY.
I WOULD JUST KIND OF ENCOURAGE THAT THE, UM, FOCUS IS ON KIND OF PRESERVING, PROTECTING.
I LIKE A LOT OF THE THINGS THAT ARE HAPPENING.
UM, BUT PART OF WHAT I SEE WITH THE, UM, SECOND PART, UM, IS THAT THERE'S PROBABLY A LOT OF UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES THAT WILL HAPPEN, UM, IF ALL OF THE BIGGER PICTURE ISN'T REALLY PAID ATTENTION TO.
SO FOR INSTANCE, LIKE WHAT, UM, MR. MAYOR WAS SAYING EARLIER ABOUT KIND OF LOOKING A LITTLE BIT DEEPER INTO HOW THIS AFFECTS PROPERTY RIGHTS, PROPERTY VALUES, UM, YOU KNOW, LOOKING AT THE WHOLE ISLAND, LIKE, I DON'T WANNA JUST SAY WE'RE KIND OF A LITTLE BIT LATE FOR THIS CONVERSATION, BUT YOU KNOW WHAT, SOME OF THOSE PROPERTIES THAT DO HAVE ALMOST LIKE THAT ZERO BOUNDARY PERSONALLY, I'M NOT NECESSARILY LIKE, OH, THAT'S A GREAT ASSET, HOWEVER, IT'S AN ASSET TO SOME PEOPLE BECAUSE YOU'RE LOOKING AT, UM, VALUES AND AFFORDABILITY AND, AND THAT KIND OF THING.
SO, UM, TO ME, I THINK THAT FOCUSING ON LOOKING AT THOSE DEEPER QUESTIONS THAT THE UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES THAT COULD HAPPEN, HOW DO YOU ENSURE YOUR PROPERTY, YOU KNOW, IF YOU HAVE A A, A PROPERTY THAT IS MAYBE A FIRE, YOU HAVE A TOTAL LOSS AND YOU HAVE TO REBUILD.
WHAT ARE THESE NOW GOING TO IMPRESS UPON PEOPLE WHO, I MEAN THE, THE NEW RULES AND REGULATIONS? AND IS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU ARE NOW GONNA SAY, WELL, YOU'RE THIS PROPERTY, BUT YOU CAN ONLY BE THIS PROPERTY NOW BECAUSE OF THAT.
UM, THE RATIO SEEMS VERY SMALL.
I DON'T THINK THAT THE CURRENT RATIOS ARE, YOU KNOW, REALLY LIMITING PEOPLE OR I MEAN, OVEREXTENDING PEOPLE OR WHATEVER.
I, I THINK THE, THE SQUARE FOOTAGE, THE CURRENT PARAMETERS SEEM LIKE THEY'RE PRETTY FAIR, BUT A LOT OF TIMES PEOPLE MOVE INTO THESE COMMUNITIES THAT ARE NOT, UM, THE LARGER PUDS THAT BECAUSE THEY CAN, THEY'RE IN THAT LIVE AND LET LIVE TYPE OF, OF, OF ENVIRONMENT AND THAT'S WHY THEY MOVED HERE.
UM, SO I, THOSE ARE THE THINGS THAT I KIND OF THINK OF.
I THINK THEY'RE ALSO GONNA AFFECT OUR NATIVE ISLANDERS, UM, AND THEIR VALUES.
I THINK THAT'S A BIG THING AND THAT UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCE THAT YOU HAVE TO KIND OF LOOK AT.
SO THERE'S SOME REALLY, I THINK, A BROADER PERSPECTIVE THAT NEEDS TO BE TAKEN.
UM, AND LASTLY, I'LL SAY SOME OF THESE PEOPLE WHO ARE IN THE FOREST BEACH AREA, UM, YES, THREE MINUTES ARE UP.
THEY'RE SECOND HOMEOWNERS AND THEY BOUGHT FOR A CERTAIN REASON.
AND IF YOU TAKE THAT AWAY, YOU KNOW, THEY DON'T HAVE A VOICE.
ANYONE ELSE WHO WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THE PUBLIC? WHY DID I KNOW THIS WAS GONNA HAPPEN?
UM, UM, I'LL BE BRIEF 'CAUSE IT'S BEEN LONG, A LONG MORNING.
UM, THIS FAR, I THINK THE, THE THE 0.32 IS A, IS A GOOD, A GOOD IDEA.
UM, AS I'M TOLD, UH, I'VE HEARD IT A COUPLE DIFFERENT TIMES NOW THAT WE CAN ADJUST FAR AT DISTRICT LEVEL THROUGHOUT THE COMMUNITIES.
UM, I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE, WITH JUST ERASING THIS MAXIMUM SQUARE FOOTAGE AS LONG AS IT DOESN'T AFFECT THE PEOPLE WHO ALREADY HAVE THAT MAXIMUM SQUARE FOOTAGE IN AN OVERLAY.
YOU KNOW, I DON'T HAVE, I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM, YOU KNOW, IF PEOPLE CAN BUILD THAT KIND OF A HOUSE, THEY GOT THAT KIND OF MONEY TO LET 'EM DO IT.
YOU KNOW, AS FAR AS THE PARKING GOES, DAVID, I, THAT ONE, THAT'S WHY, I'M SORRY I'VE BLURTED THAT OUT, BUT I KNOW A LADY THAT LIVES BEHIND OLD STONEY AND SHE GETS FLOODED EVERY TIME IT RAINS BECAUSE OF THAT DEVELOPMENT, YOU KNOW? UM, SO YEAH, WE DO HAVE TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT PARKING.
I LIKE THE PARKING PARAMETERS THAT ARE SET WITH THIS NEW, THIS NEW AMENDMENT.
BUT WE DO HAVE TO OFFER SOMETHING IN A, IN AN IMPERVIOUS.
UM, WE HAVE TO HAVE SOMETHING OR, OR, OR UM, IS IT, YEAH, IT'S IMPERVIOUS.
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UM, WE HAVE TO HAVE SOMETHING OTHER THAN JUST CONCRETE.WE COULD DO PAVERS, WE COULD DO BRICK.
UM, AS LONG AS IT'S DESIGNATED AND THERE'S A CLEAR OUTLINE OF THOSE AREAS OF PARKING, YOU COULD PUT A MULTIPLE DIFFERENT SUB, YOU KNOW, SUBSTRATES IN THERE.
UM, AND THEN AS FAR AS THE, I HEAR A LOT ABOUT THE, YOU KNOW, VALUE PEOPLE'S PROPERTY RIGHTS, THIS, THAT, AND THE OTHER.
YOU BOUGHT A PROPERTY 'CAUSE YOU THOUGHT YOU COULD DO THIS, THINGS CHANGED.
YOU KNOW, I'M A BUILDER, YOU KNOW, I GO OUT THERE AND NOT BUST MY BUTT EVERY DAY.
I CAN'T BE, I CAN'T POSSIBLY, SOMEBODY CAN'T EXPECT ME TO BUILD SOMETHING TODAY FOR THE SAME PRICE.
I BUILT IT FIVE YEARS AGO UNDER THE SAME GUIDELINES.
THEY CHANGE, OUR CODES CHANGE ALMOST MONTHLY, AND WE HAVE TO ADAPT.
SO, YOU KNOW, I, WE JUST, WE'VE GOTTA CONTROL THIS.
I THINK THIS IS A RIGHT APPROACH TO DOING IT, BUT YOU'RE NOT GONNA MAKE EVERYBODY HAPPY DOING IT.
ACTUALLY BEFORE YOU PUT YOUR SPOTLIGHT IS ON, YOUR LIGHT IS ON YOUR IPHONE.
I'LL BRING IT BACK TO THE DAIS.
AND I'D LIKE TO DO SOMETHING THAT I DON'T NORMALLY DO AND, AND LEAD OFF, UM, WHAT WE ARE DISCUSSING TODAY AND F A R AND A PARKING RATIO IS ONLY A FRACTION OF WHAT THIS COMMUNITY NEEDS TO DO IN ORDER TO CONTROL GROWTH IN A WAY THAT WE GET TO WHERE WE WANT TO GO.
IMPERVIOUS COVERAGE, SIGNIFICANT ISSUE, SHORT TERM AND LONG TERM.
WE'RE ONLY GOING TO HAVE MORE SIGNIFICANT ISSUES WITH DRAINAGE ON THIS ISLAND.
UM, HILTON HAD ISLAND DESIGN PLANNING.
THIS ISN'T GOING TO SOLVE THAT.
BUT WHAT IT DOES ADDRESS IS THE MASS AND SCALE OF A BUILDING ON A PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT IS IMPORTANT BECAUSE WE SEE A PROLIFERATION OF REGIONAL DEVELOPERS COMING ONTO THE ISLAND AND NOT DOING THE KIND OF ENVIRON SENSITIVE PLANNING THAT WE'RE USED TO.
SO I THINK, I THINK IT'S JUSTIFIED FOR US TO TAKE A POSITION TODAY THAT SAYS SOMETHING HAS TO CHANGE.
NOW THE POINT WAS MADE THAT THIS CAN BE MODIFIED WITH DISTRICT PLANNING.
I THINK IT WOULD BE GREAT IF WE HAD MORE INFORMATION TODAY THAT, THAT WE KNEW EVERY NUANCE OF THIS CONSIDERATION, BUT WE DON'T.
SO I'M MAKING THE SUGGESTION THAT WE AS A COMMITTEE CONSIDER ELIMINATING THE 4,000 SQUARE FEET, HAVING A 0.45, UM, F A R AND ACCEPTING THE PARKING AS PROPOSED BY, UM, THE STAFF.
I THINK THAT, UM, ISSUE WITH IMPERVIOUS COVER ISN'T CONSIDERED TODAY.
I THINK IT'S A MAJOR ISSUE THAT WE NEED TO ADDRESS, BUT I'M NOT GONNA MUDDY THE WA WATER TODAY TO TRY TO PUT SOMETHING IN PLACE IN THAT REGARD.
BUT I'M INTERESTED IN HEARING WHAT THE REST OF THE, UH, COMMITTEE THINKS.
I NO LONGER SUPPORT THE 4,000 SQUARE FOOT LIMITATION.
IF SOMEONE HAS A LARGER LOT, POSSIBLY COULD BUILD A LARGER HOME, NOT IN FAVOR OF THAT ASPECT OF THIS PROPOSAL AT ALL ANYMORE WITH RESPECT TO F A R, I THINK IT IS A REASONABLE WAY TO CONTROL OUT OF CONTROL DEVELOPMENT AND TO PRESERVE SOME OF THE ISLAND CHARACTER THAT WE ALL VALUE HERE.
I CAN'T REALLY EVALUATE THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN 0.32 AND 0.45 HAS BEEN PROPOSED.
POINT THREE TWO SEEMED TO WORK PRETTY WELL IN THE PRESENTATIONS THAT WE SAW, UH, FROM THE GREAT PRESENTATION WE GOT FROM THE STAFF.
UH, BUT I'M, I'M WILLING TO LISTEN TO MY COLLEAGUES ON THAT.
VERY TROUBLED BY THE ASPECT THAT F A R AR AR COMPUTATIONS DO NOT INCLUDE DEALING WITH, UH, IMPERVIOUS SURFACE.
I RECOGNIZE IT'S SEPARATE ITEM.
IT SEEMS TO ME THAT IN THE LONG TERM, MAYBE
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NOT TODAY, IN THE LONG TERM, OUR PROVISIONS IN OUR L M O DEAL WITH A CERTAIN F A R PLUS CERTAIN AMOUNT OF IMPERVIOUS SERVICE BEING THE MAXIMUM PERMITTED.WHAT WOULD THAT DO? THAT WOULD PROMOTE PEOPLE USING PERVIOUS SURFACE ON VARIOUS MATERIALS SO THAT THEY COULD BUILD THEIR HOMES, WHICH WOULD BE BETTER FOR OUR, UH, ENVIRONMENT HERE AND WOULD CONTROL RUNAWAY, UH, SURFACE WATERS.
SO I AM TROUBLED BY THE LIMITATIONS OF THIS, ALSO TROUBLED BY THE FACTORS THAT, UH, WILLIAMS BROUGHT UP TO US.
THAT IS, THAT IT'S NOT REALLY CLEAR WHAT IS INCLUDED, UH, WITHIN THE, UH, SURFACE AREA OR THAT THIS TO BE CON COUNTED.
WE CAN DEAL WITH THAT IN THE FUTURE.
I'M INCLINED TO MOVE FORWARD, UH, WITH CREATING, UM, AN F A R, UNDERSTANDING THAT COUNSEL IN THE FUTURE CAN ALWAYS ADJUST THAT AND MOVE THAT.
UM, BUT I WANNA LISTEN TO MY COLLEAGUES IN TERMS OF WHETHER IT'S 0.3, TWO, 0.45, OR SOMEWHERE IN BETWEEN.
WE'VE ALL BEEN HERE FOR A LONG TIME.
I'M TAKE A MOMENT, UM, AND READ SOMETHING THAT IS CURRENTLY IN OUR LAND MANAGEMENT ORDINANCE WITH REGARD TO RESIDENTIAL BASED DISTRICTS.
SECTION 16 3 1 0 4 TALKS ABOUT THE GENERAL PURPOSES OF DEVELOPMENT IN RESIDENTIAL AREAS.
AND THERE ARE EIGHT ITEMS PROVIDE APPROPRIATELY LOCATED LANDS FOR RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT THAT ARE CONSISTENT WITH THE GOALS AND POLICIES THAT THE COMPANY HAS.
THE PLAN TO ENSURE ADEQUATE LIGHT, AIR PRIVACY AND RECREATIONAL AND OPEN SPACE LANDS FOR EACH DWELLING AND PROTECT RESIDENTS FROM THE NEGATIVE IMPACTS OF NOISE, EXCESSIVE POPULATION DENSITY, TRAFFIC, CONGESTION, FLOODING, AND OTHER SIGNIFICANT ADVERSE ADVENT ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS PROTECT RESIDENTIAL LANDS FROM FIRES, EXPLOSIONS, TOXIC FUMES, SUBSTANCES, AND OTHER PUBLIC HAZARDS SKIPPING THROUGH, PROVIDE FOR SAFE AND EFFICIENT VEHICLE VEHICULAR ACCESS AND CIRCULATION AND PROMOTE PEDESTRIAN FRIENDLY NEIGHBORHOODS, PROVIDE FOR PUBLIC SERVICES AND FACILITIES NEEDED TO SERVE THE RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT.
AND LASTLY, PROTECT RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT FROM INCOMPATIBLE NON RE NON-RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT.
AND I HIGHLIGHT THAT LAST ONE BECAUSE A LOT OF THE DEVELOPMENT THAT WE'VE SEEN TAKING PLACE IN RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS ARE NOT RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT.
THEY'RE INDEED COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT.
AND A LOT OF THE CONVERSATION CIRCLES AROUND THAT, RIGHT? AND SO WE HEAR A LOT, A LOT, A LOT ABOUT, UM, PROPERTY VALUES AND PROPERTY RIGHTS AND, UH, NON-RESIDENTIAL COMMERCIAL USE IN RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS.
ONE EXAMPLE THAT I WANT TO POINT OUT WHERE IT NECESSARILY DOESN'T REQUIRE THAT YOU ARE BUILDING TO THE HIGHEST FAR YOU POSSIBLY CAN TO ACCOMMODATE AS MANY BEDROOMS AS YOU POSSIBLY CAN SO THAT YOU CAN COMPLETE YOUR FINANCIAL GOALS AS AN INVESTOR IN A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD, IS THIS ONE EXAMPLE.
THERE ARE MANY, A 4,800 SQUARE FOOT NEW HOME RECENTLY BUILT WITH NINE BEDROOMS BUILT IN A RESIDENTIAL STANDARD IN A WAY WHERE IF YOU LOOKED AT IT FROM THE STREET, YOU SAID THAT COULD LOOK LIKE IT FITS IN ANY NEIGHBORHOOD.
HAS NINE BEDROOMS, HAS A GRASSY LAWN, HAS A DECENT SIZED POOL, FIRE PIT.
A LIFE COULD BE LED THERE RECENTLY SOLD FOR $3.1 MILLION.
ANOTHER HOME, MORE THAN 7,800 SQUARE FEET, 10 BEDROOMS WITH NO GRASS, NOWHERE TO PARK YOUR CAR, NOWHERE TO LIVE.
A LIFE HAS BEEN STAGGERED, STAGNANT ON THE REAL ESTATE MARKET FOR MORE THAN A YEAR, PROBABLY CLOSE TO TWO YEARS AT JUST UNDER $5 MILLION.
SO THE RATIO OF FAR THE BIGGER THE HOUSE, THE MORE MONEY RETURNED, ISN'T NECESSARILY PROVEN AT NINE BEDROOMS AND 4,800 SQUARE FEET SOLD AT 3.1
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AND ONE WITH 10 BEDROOMS AND ALMOST DOUBLE THAT SPACE THAT WON'T GET OFF THE MARKET.THE DIFFERENCE, MY HUMBLE OPINION, IS THE FACT THAT ONE IS A PLACE WHERE FAMILY COULD LIVE.
A RE A VISITOR, UM, TOURIST COULD COME AND RENT AND HAVE A PLACE TO THROW A BALL, HAVE THE DOG, WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE.
SO IT'S LIFE, IT'S QUALITY OF LIFE.
IT'S THE PURPOSE, INTENT OF WHAT ALREADY EXISTS IN OUR LAND MANAGEMENT ORDINANCE.
THAT SOMEHOW BETWEEN WHEN THIS WAS WRITTEN AND TODAY SITTING HERE, NO ONE'S PAID ATTENTION TO, NO ONE'S MADE SURE THAT WE ADHERE TO WHAT ALREADY EXISTS.
THOSE ARE IMPORTANT FACTORS TO KEEP IN CONSIDERATION BECAUSE THEY'RE REAL LIFE, THEY'RE NOT HYPOTHETICAL, THEY'RE NOT EMOTIONAL.
THEY'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT THINGS THAT PEOPLE CAN ONLY GIVE SOME SORT OF SENSE TO, OR WHAT THEY BELIEVE ARE CONGEN CONJECTURE.
SO THAT'S MY REAL LIFE EXAMPLE.
THIS IS A REAL LIFE DOCUMENT THAT LIVES WITH US TODAY.
OUS AND IMPERVIOUS HAS GOTTA BE A PART OF THIS CONVERSATION.
HOW IT HAS NOT BEEN IN THE PAST IS ABSOLUTELY BEYOND ME.
SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL LOTS SHOULD HAVE A PERVIOUS, IMPERVIOUS RELATIONSHIP.
IT'S THE REASON WE NOW HAVE FOLKS WHO HAVE BUILT A HOME ON EVERY FOUR CORNER OF THEIR BUILDING ENVELOPES.
WE CAN'T CHANGE NECESSARILY THE SETBACKS AND THE BUFFERS BECAUSE WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT LOTS THAT SOMETIMES ARE ONLY 40 FEET WIDE, IF YOU DO THAT MORE THAN WHAT WE ARE AT TODAY, YOU'LL HAVE A HOME THAT NO ONE CAN FIT THROUGH UNLESS THEY WALK SIDEWAYS.
SO PERVIOUS IMPERVIOUS IS A PARTICULAR, UM, POINT THAT NEEDS TO BE MAYOR.
I'D ASK THAT WE MAKE THAT PART OF, UM, THE CONVERSATION IN A SERIES WAY GOING FORWARD WITH REGARD TO THAT.
UM, IN SOME OF THE, THE PICTURES, WE KNOW THAT NOT ALL PAVER SITUATIONS ARE CREATED EQUAL.
SOME PAVERS, DEPENDING ON THE SUBSTRATE THAT THEY'RE LAID ON, WILL CREATE A NON PERVIOUS SITUATION.
SO THE PAVER QUALITY AND AND PURPOSE AND HOW THOSE ACTUALLY FUNCTION HAS TO BE, UH, PART OF THE CONVERSATION AS WELL TO MAKE SURE THAT WE AREN'T, UM, OVERLOOKING IT AND JUST SAYING, OKAY.
UM, I APPRECIATE, UH, MR. WILLIAMS, YOUR POINTING OUT THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A SCREEN AND A, UH, WILL.
WITH REGARD TO, UM, A A DEFINITION, I THINK IT'S CRITICALLY IMPORTANT THAT OUR DEFINITIONS ARE AS ARE AS SPECIFIC AS WE CAN BE.
WHAT IT LEADS TO IS AMBIGUITY AND DEBATE.
AND ULTIMATELY SOMEONE COMING BEFORE, UM, THE BUILDING AND ZONING APPEALS CHALLENGING AN OFFICIAL DECISION.
UM, WHEN OUR INTENT, WHEN WE CREATED IT WAS A SPECIFIC, UM, A SPECIFIC PURPOSE.
SO I THINK WE NEED TO DECIDE DOES IT INCLUDE SCREENS OR DOES IT NOT? MY PREFERENCE AS I SIT HERE TODAY IS TO TELL YOU IT SHOULD NOT INCLUDE A SCREEN PORCH.
UM, OVERLAY DISTRICTS AS I BEGAN THIS CONVERSATION ABOUT WAS A CONVERSATION THAT THE TOWN AND THOSE DISTRICTS, THOSE AREAS HAD HAD TOGETHER COLLABORATIVELY TO ESTABLISH WITH WHAT IS IMPORTANT TO THEM IN THEIR AREAS.
UNFORTUNATELY, WE ALL DON'T LIVE BEHIND A PO UH, P U D.
NOT EVERY COMMUNITY IS EQUAL THAT WAY.
AND SO THIS GUIDING, UM, DOCUMENT, THE LAND MANAGEMENT, UH, ORDINANCE IS IMPORTANT TO THE REST OF THOSE FOLKS.
BUT FOR THOSE WHO HAVE THE ABILITY TO HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH THE TOWN WITH REGARD TO WHAT IS IMPORTANT IN THEIR COMMUNITY, THEY SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO DO THAT AND NOT HAVE TO BE FORCED TO AND HIRE, UM, UH, REQUIREMENT.
AND IF THEY SO DESIRE A LOWER REQUIREMENT THAN WHERE THEY ARE PER, UH, PRESENTLY POSITIONED, THEN THEY SHOULD HAVE THAT CONVERSATION TO DO SO.
UM, A GARAGE, ESPECIALLY IN AREAS WHERE THERE ARE FLOOD, UM, ZONES CANNOT BE CONSIDERED PART OF THE OVERALL, UM, UH, REQUIREMENT UNDER THE F A R.
IT'S JUST A SITUATION THAT BECOMES UNFAIR AND UN OVERLY BURDENED TO PROPERTY OWNERS.
UM, I THINK SOMEONE SHOULD CORRECT ME BECAUSE I, THIS IS WHAT I THINK.
I BELIEVE IN THE LAND MANAGEMENT ORDINANCE.
WE ALREADY HAVE A RULE WITH REGARD TO, UH, REBUILDING IN THE CASE OF
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A FIRE OR SOME SORT OF DESTRUCTION OF A HOME.AND I BELIEVE THAT RULE IS 50% AND THAT IF YOU, IF YOU HAVE TO REBUILD MORE THAN 50%, THEN IT IS INCUMBENT UPON YOU TO FOLLOW THE CURRENT CODE THAT WE HAVE.
SO THIS IS NOT IN SOMETHING NEW.
IF THAT IS CURRENTLY IN OUR CODE, THEN THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE'RE ALL LIVING WITH PRESENTLY AND THAT'S NOT ANYTHING NEW.
AND, UM, IF YOU WANT SOMETHING DIFFERENT ABOUT THAT, THAT'S A DIFFERENT CONVERSATION FOR A DIFFERENT TIME.
THE 4,000 SQUARE FEET, IN MY MIND, THERE IS NO REASON TO HAVE A CAP.
THE GOAL OF THE F A R IS TO CREATE ENVIRONMENTS ON THE ISLAND THAT LOOK AND FEEL LIKE A COMMUNITY.
EACH AND EVERY AREA OF THE ISLAND AS ONE ISLAND SHOULD LOOK AS A COMMUNITY.
AND SO THE F A R SHOULD HELP DO THAT.
THE PERVIOUS IMPERVIOUS RELATIONSHIP SHOULD FURTHER HELP DO THAT.
UM, THE REASON IT'S IMPORTANT, SOMETHING THAT ETSY YOU LIKE TO, TO UM, HIGHLIGHT AND YOUR RIGHT TO DO SO, UM, AND WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT IT OUTSIDE OF THE GATES FOREST BEACH AREA, THE F FIELD AREA, THE BRADLEY BEACH, BRADLEY CIRCLES AREA IS INFRASTRUCTURE.
EVERY TIME ONE OF THE LARGER HOMES IN ANY ONE OF THOSE AREAS.
HICKORY LANE, SOUTH FOREST BEACH, I DON'T WANNA LEAVE ANYBODY OUT.
THIS IS AN ISSUE THAT STARTS AT THE SOUTH END OF THE ISLAND AND GOES ALL THE WAY UP TO THE NORTH END OF THE ISLAND AND EVERYWHERE IN BETWEEN.
SO HICKORY LAKE JONESVILLE, UH, ROAD AND EVERYWHERE IN BETWEEN THE INFRASTRUCTURE'S OLD AND IT WAS MEANT TO ACCOMMODATE REASONABLY SIZED HOMES, A REASONABLY SIZED F A R, UM, IN THOSE DISTRICTS.
AND WHEN YOU HAVE NOW INCREASED STUBBLE, TRIPLE THOSE FAR, YOU ARE PRESSING HARD ON THAT INFRASTRUCTURE.
AND THAT CAUSES ALL OF US DIFFICULTY IN THE LONG BREATH.
SO THOSE ARE A FEW OF THE THINGS THAT I WANTED TO TALK ABOUT AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED WITH REGARD TO PARKING, THAT FOR ME IT'S, UM, BUYING POSITION FOR US TO SIT, SIT-IN, UM, THAT WE RECENTLY DISCUSSED AND AGREED UPON.
UM, SO I WANNA HEAR EVERYBODY ELSE WITH REGARD TO THE F A R.
I'VE DONE MULTIPLE CALCULATIONS.
I HAVE LISTENED TO PEOPLE AND LEFT, WATCHED THEIR CALCULATIONS.
UM, THEY, UH, PRESENTED AND DISCUSSED WITH ME.
UM, IF, IF I WERE TO TAKE, UM, IF I WERE TO TAKE A, I DON'T WANNA GO INTO RMM 12, BUT R M A AND HAVE A MINIMUM SIZE, WHICH IS 0.125, ROUGHLY 5,400 SQUARE FOOT.
UM, AND I DO THE MATH ON THAT WITH NOTHING, NO CALCULATION FOR PERVIOUS IMPERVIOUS AT 0.32.
THAT LEAVES SOMEONE WITH ROUGHLY A 17, 1800 SQUARE FOOT HOME COMFORTABLE WITH FOUR FIVE A A AGAIN, THAT WOULD LEAVE SOMEONE WITH SOME ROUGHLY AROUND A 2 2500 SQUARE FOOT HOME.
UM, IF IT BOILS DOWN TO, I I'VE ASKED THAT WE DON'T INCLUDE ROGERS, I'VE ASKED THAT WE DON'T INCLUDE A SCREENED PORCH.
UM, I'M BOTHERED BY UM, MISSY'S ANSWER, WHICH IS CORRECT AND ACCURATE THAT IT INCLUDES A SHED.
YOU SHOULD INCLUDE A SHED THAT'S ON THE PROPERTY.
LEMME LEMME LET ME BOUNCE BACK BECAUSE SHED IS IMPERVIOUS COVER,
SO IT IS ACHIEVING SOMETHING THAT IS IMPORTANT TO US AS A COMMUNITY.
BUT I, I THINK THERE'S EQUAL ARGUMENT TO SAY THOSE THINGS OUGHT TO BE INCLUDED.
'CAUSE IT'S A PART OF THE MASSIVE SCALE AND A PREVIOUS COVER OF THE SITE.
BUT IN A FLOOD ZONE, FOR INSTANCE, HAVE AN OPTION, RIGHT? SO YOU'VE GOTTA BUILD IT UP AND GARAGE CAN BE ON THE GROUND.
WELL, THE GARAGE IS ON THE GROUND.
I'M, I'M, I'M OPEN AND THEN I'M LISTENING, BUT I DON'T WANNA MAKE IT SO OVERLY RESTRICTED THAT PEOPLE CAN'T BUILD A REASONABLY SIZED HOME, WHICH CAN ACCOMMODATE THE INVESTOR WHO IS CONCERNED ABOUT THEIR RENTAL OPPORTUNITIES.
SO WE HAVE, AT THIS POINT, WE HAVE THREE MEMBERS OF PUBLIC PLANNING WHO SAY THE 4,000 SQUARE FEET CAN GO CORRECT, HAVE VARIABLE UNDECIDED OPINIONS ON F A R.
OKAY, PATSY, ALL THIS COMMITTEE ALREADY ACTED.
UM, AND SO I, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE PROCEDURE IS FOR CHANGING THAT ACTION.
THAT WAS MY PROCEDURAL QUESTIONS.
UM, BUT I CAN SAY THIS, UM, WHEN I MADE THE MOTION PREVIOUSLY, I, WHAT I USUALLY DO, I THINK FOLKS KNOW BY NOW, I DO
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MY RESEARCH.I LOOK AT EVERYTHING THAT'S SENT TO ME, I LISTEN TO EVERYBODY THAT TALKS TO ME.
UM, AND THEN I DO MY OWN RESEARCH TOO, TRYING TO SORT OUT WHAT'S THE BEST DATA.
UM, I SAT ON THE BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS FOR I THINK ABOUT FOUR YEARS.
UM, AND I SAW A LOT OF THE, UM, SMALL, LOTS OF SUBDIVISIONS THAT CAME THROUGH, AND I SAW THE IMPACT ON THE ENVIRONMENT ON THIS ISLAND.
AND IT'S CONCERNED ME FOR A WHILE.
UM, ALSO, I I I'VE SAID, GOSH, SINCE 2015, UM, BUT I'VE BEEN CONCERNED ABOUT THE MASS SCALE AND DENSITY OF ALL KINDS OF BUILDINGS ON THIS ISLAND AND ITS IMPACT ON THE ISLAND.
UM, IT'S A REASON THAT I RAN AGAIN, IS BECAUSE I THINK WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT, UH, MANAGING THE MASS SCALE AND DENSITY OF BUILDING ON THIS ISLAND.
UM, ALSO AM CONCERNED ABOUT ITS IMPACT ON THE ENVIRONMENT.
UM, I'VE BEEN CHAMPIONING DOING A RESILIENCE PLAN BECAUSE WE NEED TO ADDRESS STORMWATER SURGES.
AND THE MORE BUILDINGS THAT WE BUILT THAT ARE SO CLOSE TOGETHER, UH, IN, IN MY VIEW, CREATE, UH, AND THIS IS NOT A FOUR LETTER WORD, THIS IS A THREE LETTER WORD, A DAMNING EFFECT
AND CERTAINLY IF YOU INCREASE THE, UM, IMPERVIOUS, IF YOU, I ALWAYS GET THIS BACKWARDS.
IF YOU INCREASE THE AREA WHERE WATER CAN'T GO THROUGH
AND SO I AGREE WITH MY COLLEAGUES ABOUT ADDRESSING THAT ISSUE.
UM, EVIDENTLY, UH, ADDRESS WITH REGARD TO SUBDIVISIONS, BUT NOT SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, BUT ALSO FEEL THE BURDEN OF SINGLE FAMILY HOMEOWNERS AND TRYING TO BUILD OTHER THAN A CONCRETE DRIVEWAY.
MAYBE IT'S THE SIZE OF THE DRIVEWAY THAT'S IMPORTANT AS SOME, SOME MATERIALS COST MORE THAN OTHERS.
UM, SO, UM, I, I LOOKED AT ALL THE DATA BEFORE.
UM, I, I LISTENED TO, UH, I WASN'T ABLE TO BE AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING WHEN IT WAS CONSIDERED.
SO I LISTENED TO IT AS A LOT OF FOLKS DO GO BACK AND LISTEN TO VIDEOS.
AND SOME OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEMBERS ASKED ABOUT THE 0.45 RECOMMENDATION ON FAR.
UM, AND THEN, UH, SOME OF THEM ASKED, WHY NOT REDUCE IT TO 0.32 OR 0.35? SO BEFORE I MADE, UH, MY MOTION, UH, FOR THIS COMMITTEE AT OUR PREVIOUS MEETING, UM, I LOOKED AT WHERE, WHERE DID THE 0.45 COME FROM? AND I SAW THE DATA FROM THE THREE OVERLAY DISTRICTS AND I USED TO LIVE IN SOUTH FOREST FIRE SPEECH AREA AND, AND WALK IN NORTH FOREST SPEECH AREA.
I'VE SEEN THE IMPACT ON SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS FROM THOSE LARGE MASSIVE STRUCTURES.
IT BOTHERED ME THEN IT BOTHERS ME.
NOW WE HAVE TO STOP THIS KIND OF IMPACT AND BLEEDING ON OUR ISLAND.
MOVING THROUGH DISTRICT PLANNING.
WE'RE GONNA BE LOOKING AT AMENDMENTS TO THE LAND MANAGEMENT ORDINANCE, BUT I CAN'T WAIT AND I DON'T THINK OUR ISLAND CAN WAIT.
I THINK WE NEED TO TAKE A STAND RIGHT NOW.
HEARD THAT IMPACT AND TO PROTECT THE ENVIRONMENT ON OUR ISLAND.
SO WHEN I LOOKED AT THE DATA BEFORE, I'M LOOKING AT THE SAME DATA AGAIN TODAY.
I ASKED THE QUESTIONS, I LOOKED AT THE DATA.
YES, I'M WILLING TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT ADDITIONAL INFORMATION, LISTEN TO OTHER ARGUMENTS.
UM, I READ THE LETTER FROM THE REALTORS ASSOCIATION.
I LOOKED AT THE DATA THEY PROVIDED AND I'M GOING LIKE, ARE ANY OF THESE VACANT LOTS? I LOOKED TO SEE IF THERE WERE ANY LOTS FOR SALE IN NORTH AND SOUTH FOREST BEACH.
NO, I LOOKED AT THE NONCONFORMING PROVISIONS AND THANK YOU MS. LOICK FOR POINTING OUT THE LANGUAGE ABOUT HOW TO ADDRESS NONCONFORMITIES.
I THINK THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT WHEN WE HAVE THAT LANGUAGE IN OUR LAND MANAGEMENT ORDINANCE.
UM, SO I HAVE DONE ALL SORTS OF CALCULATIONS.
I HAVE LOOKED AT SUBDIVISION MAPS.
I'VE GONE TO THE, UH, BEAUFORT COUNTY, UM, G I S TO LOOK AT SUBDIVISION LOT SIZES.
AND I CAN ALSO GET FROM THEIR PROPERTY TAX RECORDS, THEIR SQUARE FOOTAGE.
SO I WENT BACK AND I DID ALL THAT ADDITIONAL RESEARCH.
I CALCULATED, WHAT IF YOU HAD AN ACRE LOT AT 0.32? WHAT IF YOU HAD A QUAR QUARTER OF AN ACRE LOT? IF YOU HAD AN AN EIGHTH OF AN ACRE LOT THAT'S 5,445 SQUARE FEET AT 0.32, YOU COULD HAVE A GROSS FLOOR AREA OF 1,742 SQUARE FEET AT 0.45.
THERE'S OTHER TELLING INFORMATION I'VE BEEN CONCERNED FOR A WHILE ABOUT THE IMPACT, UM, OF THESE REGULATIONS ON GULLAH
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OWNED PROPERTY.AND I STILL HAVE THAT CONCERN.
I THINK THERE'S A WAY TO ADDRESS THAT.
AND THANK YOU MR. WHITE FOR SPEAKING ABOUT YOUR FAMILY OWNED PROPERTY.
WE, WE HAVE EXEMPTED FAMILY COMPOUNDS AND FAMILY SUBDIVISIONS FROM SOME REGULATIONS SUCH AS BUFFERING, SETBACKS AND THE TYPE OF ROAD IMPROVEMENTS REQUIRED.
SO PERHAPS THAT'S SOMETHING WE OUGHT TO CONSIDER.
UM, HERE, I'M GONNA WRAP UP WHAT I'M GONNA SAY RIGHT NOW.
UM, BUT I, I LOOKED AT OTHER DATA, UM, THAT, UM, THE REALTORS ASSOCIATION PROVIDED, UM, AND I LOOKED AT SHORT TERM RENTAL PERMITS AND THE SIZE OF THOSE BUILDINGS.
UM, AND I'M NOT PREPARED TO CHANGE MY MOTION ADOPTED PREVIOUSLY.
POINT THREE TWO IS THE RIGHT NUMBER.
RIGHT NOW, I'M NOT TOTALLY CONVINCED THAT WE SHOULD REMU REMOVE THE MAXIMUM SQUARE FOOTAGE.
I THINK THERE HAS TO BE SOME CONTROL IF THERE'S A LOT OF ABOVE ACRE OR IF THERE'S PROPERTY THAT'S PART OF A FAMILY COMPOUND OR FAMILY SUBDIVISION.
I'M CERTAINLY WILLING TO LOOK AT EXEMPTIONS THERE.
I THINK WE NEED SOME ADVICE FROM THE TOWN ATTORNEY.
WE TOOK AN ACTION, WE MOVED IT FORWARD TO THE FULL COUNSEL AT THE PREVIOUS MEETING.
DO WE HAVE TO TAKE ANY SORT OF SPECIAL ACTION TO UNDO THAT AND TAKE FURTHER ACTION HERE TODAY? I THINK THAT IN ORDER TO CHANGE WHAT YOU PREVIOUSLY VOTED ON, YOU PROBABLY NEED A MOTION FROM A MEMBER WHO VOTED IN FAVOR OF THE PREVIOUS ACTION TO MAKE A MOTION TO AMEND IT AND THEN STATE WHATEVER THAT AMENDMENT WOULD BE.
WELL, YOU'D HAVE TO VOTE ON THAT FIRST AND THEN RE AMEND RATHER THAN RECONSIDER RECONSIDER.
RECONSIDER HAS TO BE AT THE SAME MEETING AS I UNDERSTAND IT.
UH, IT SAYS WITHIN A REASONABLE TIME, NOT SPECIFICALLY LIMITED TO THAT.
CERTAINLY IT'S OKAY THERE, BUT THERE, THERE THERE'S WAYS TO DO THAT.
UM, SO I THINK IF A MEMBER IS WILLING TO MAKE THAT MOTION, THEN, THEN, THEN YOU CAN DECIDE IF YOU WANNA RECONSIDER.
AND THEN YOU CAN, SOMEONE CAN MAKE A MOTION AS TO A DIFFERENT MOTION.
DID YOU SAY RECONSIDER OR AMEND? WELL, IT'S TECHNICALLY RECONSIDER, BUT, BUT, BUT YOU'RE, IS IT ALL PART OF ONE MOTION? IS IS GUESS THE CLARIFICATION? TWO MOTIONS.
MOTION TO ACTUALLY DO THAT AND THEN SOMEONE WOULD HAVE TO MAKE A DIFFERENT MOTION TO SEE IF IT'S FRACTION.
THE, WE WERE SWORN IN WHERE WE WERE GIVEN A CO A SHORT VERSION OF ROBERT'S RULES OF PROCEDURE AND IT DID NOT INCLUDE A MOTION TO RECONSIDER FOR US.
I, I'M, I'M NOT A PARLIAMENTARIAN.
UM, OUR TIME ATTORNEY HAS SPOKEN.
WOULD YOU LIKE TO MAKE TWO EMOTIONS? I WOULD MOVE THAT THE PUBLIC PLANNING COMMITTEE RECONSIDER THE ACTION TAKEN AT THE PREVIOUS MEETING CONCERNING, UM, ADOPTION OF F A R REGULATIONS, PARKING REGULATIONS, AND MAXIMUM LOT SIZE.
IS THERE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND THAT.
UM, I BELIEVE WE HAD TWO SEPARATE, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, DID WE HAVE TWO SEPARATE MOTIONS? UM, ONE WITH REGARD TO F A R AND ONE WITH REGARD TO PARKING? SO THEN, IS THAT CORRECT? I THINK YOU'RE, THAT'S CORRECT.
SO FRIENDLY AMENDMENT, I WOULD ACCEPT AN AMENDMENT, UH, DEALING WITH PARKING AS A SEPARATE MATTER.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION TO AMEND, UH, PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.
I WOULD LIKE TO DO THIS IN SEPARATE MOTIONS SO WE DON'T GET CONFUSED ABOUT AMENDMENTS GOING BACK AND FORTH.
SO THE FIRST MOTION THAT I WOULD MAKE WOULD BE TO END THE PROPOSAL TO, TO ELIMINATE 4,000 SQUARE FOOT MAXIMUM LOT SIZE, HOUSE SIZE.
ALL ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.
WE GOT, WE GOT A QUESTION DOWN HERE.
DOES THIS APPLY TO THE OVERLAY DISTRICTS? THE ELIMINATION
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OF THE 4,000, THE DOESN'T AFFECT THE OVERLAY DISTRICTS AT ALL.THIS HAS TO DO WITH THE PROPOSAL THAT'S BEFORE US HERE TODAY, WHICH HAS TO DO WITH MAXIMUM.
WELL QUESTION IF, IF, IF WE'RE GONNA GET INTO THAT CONVERSATION, I WOULD SAY NO.
WE SHOULD NOT BE CHANGING PRIVATE NEIGHBORHOOD COVENANTS.
IF THEY ARE MORE RESTRICTIVE THAN THE TOWNS, IS THAT PERMISSIBLE THAT CAN WE, WHICHEVER WAS THE MOST RESTRICTIVE IS ONE YOU GUYS.
I DIDN'T HEAR ANYTHING MOST RESTRICTIVE APPLIES.
SO WE'RE NOT IF, IF IF THE INTENTION OF THE, OF THE MAKER YES.
IS AT THE AMENDMENTS THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT NOW.
IS, IS YOUR INTENTION THAT THESE AMENDMENTS AFFECT OR NOT AFFECT THE DISTRICTS WHERE F A R REQUIREMENTS ALREADY EXIST IS NOT MY INTENTION TO AFFECT F A R REQUIREMENTS WHERE THEY ALREADY EXIST.
WHY DID YOU SEPARATE? I WAS BEING CHALLENGED.
REQUIREMENTS HAVEN'T, RATHER THAN WHAT WE'RE DOING IS WHAT'S DONE BEFORE US, WHICH WOULD APPLY TO NEW DISTRICTS.
NOT BE SUBJECT TO, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT, I DON'T KNOW WHERE THIS CONVERSATION IS OR WHERE WE ARE IN IT, BUT I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WHERE THERE ARE AREAS WHERE THERE ARE OVERLAYS AN ESTABLISHED, UM, FAR ANY, ANYTHING ELSE THAT'S PARTICULAR TO A PREVIOUSLY ARRANGED AND COLLABORATIVELY DECIDED, UM, SITUATION IN THAT OVERLAY DISTRICT BE HELD AT WHERE IT IS.
AND IF THOSE OVERLAY DISTRICTS WANT TO HAVE A CHANGE, A REDUCTION AND INCREASE, WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE, THAT THEY AGAIN ARE INVOLVED IN A COLLABORATIVE CONVERSATION.
TO ME IT SEEMS AS THOUGH ANYTHING THAT WE DO THAT IS A BLANKET THAT WOULD DISMISS THAT I IS UNFAIR.
HOWEVER, I DON'T WANT TO LIMIT, I DON'T WANNA LIMIT THE OVERLAY DISTRICT COMMUNITIES TO ACKNOWLEDGING THAT PERHAPS THEY WANT SOMETHING DIFFERENT AND COMING FORTH TO THE TOWN AND ASKING FOR THAT.
UM, THAT TO SAY THAT YOU ARE NOT IN FAVOR OF CHANGING EXISTING REGULATIONS, DEALING WITH THAT I AM NOT IN FAVOR IN, UH, OF CHANGING THE, UM,
THAT'S WHY I SAID THAT I WAS NOT INTENDING TO CHANGE THE EXISTING, IF, IF I MAY, WE'RE WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT PRIVATE COVENANTS DOESN'T AFFECT PRIVATE COVENANTS.
IF I UNDERSTOOD MR. STANFORD BEFORE, WHAT HE WANTED TO DO WAS NOT HAVE THE, THE, THE CONVERSATION HAPPENING NOW AFFECT THE EXISTING OVERLAY DISTRICTS.
WHAT WE'RE SAYING AND WHATEVER I'VE JUST SAID DOESN'T, ISN'T BY NO MEANS SAYING THAT THOSE WITH OVERLAY DISTRICTS WOULD NOT WANT INDEED TO BE UNDER THESE RULES, WHATEVER THEY MAY BE.
I'M JUST SAYING THAT UNTIL WE KNOW WHAT THEY ARE, I DON'T THINK THEY CAN MAKE DECISION THAT'S NOT BEFORE HERE TODAY.
SO TO CLARIFY, BECAUSE THE, UM, ORDINANCE AS AMENDED BY THE PUBLIC PLANNING COMMITTEE FROM LAST MONTH IS ON YOUR DESKS AND WE ARE ONLY TALKING ABOUT CHANGING THE STATEMENT THAT SAYS THAT THE MAXIMUM GROSS FLOOR YEAR OF A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL DWELLING IS LIMITED TO 0.45 TIMES THE NET ACREAGE OF THE LAW ON WHICH THE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE IS LOCATED AND THEN ADD A PERIOD THERE.
SO WE ARE STRIKING PROVIDED HOWEVER THAT THE MAXIMUM GROSS FLA AREA OF THE FLOOR AREA OF THE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE SHALL NOT EXCEED 4,000 SQUARE FEET.
THAT'S THE NUMBER AND ON THE PRIOR PAGE THAT HANDLES THE OVERLAYS, WE ARE NOT TOUCHING THAT WITH YOUR AMENDMENT CURRENTLY.
THAT'S WHAT I WANTED TO CLARIFY.
SORRY, I MISSED, I, I WROTE DOWN MOVE TO AMEND TO REMOVE THE 4,000.
I DIDN'T HEAR ANYTHING ABOUT THE FAR WELL DID YOUR MOTION INCLUDE THAT AS WELL? OH, IT DIDN'T.
WELL, IT, THE MOTION DOESN'T HAVE TO AMEND.
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THE MOTION JUST HAS TO SPEAK THE FAR BECAUSE IT DOESN'T HAVE THE 4,000 INCLUDED UNLESS YOU WANT TO SPECIFICALLY ELIMINATE THAT.THE INTENTION IS ONE TO DELETE THE 4,000 SQUARE FOOT MAXIMUM OUTSIZE IN, IN AREAS THAT DON'T HAVE THAT LIMITATION NOW.
WHAT ABOUT THE 0.45 F A R? IS THAT A PART OF YOUR MOTION OR NOT? I DON'T THINK I MADE THAT AS PART OF THE MOTION.
I WAS TRYING TO MAKE SEPARATE MOTIONS.
IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND, RIGHT.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION, PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.
OKAY, MR. CHAIRMAN, I WOULD MOVE TO AMEND THE PROPOSAL TO SET THE MAXIMUM F A R 0.45.
SECOND TO THAT I'LL SECOND FOR DISCUSSION.
UH, A NUMBER OF THINGS, UM, ONE, UM, QUESTION THAT WAS ASKED OF ME THAT I'M GONNA ASK BECAUSE I DON'T, I THINK I KNOW THE ANSWER BUT I'M NOT GONNA ASSUME, TALK ABOUT NA NET ACRE OF A LOT THAT DOESN'T, THAT INCLUDES ANY SETBACKS IN BUFFERS.
THAT'S FROM PROPERTY LINE TO PROPERTY LINE, NOTHING.
IT'S PARCEL SIZE AND NET ACREAGE, UM, DOES EXCLUDE ANY TIDAL WETLAND THAT COULD BE PART OF THE PARCEL YES.
WHEN WE SAY 0.45, THEN, THEN MY NEXT QUESTION IS WHAT IS INCLUDED? WHAT IS INCLUDED IN THE BUILDING? CORRECT.
WE DON'T HAVE THAT BEFORE US HERE TODAY.
ACTUALLY THERE'S A DRAFT ORDINANCE HERE THAT WE HAVE.
UM, AND IT SAYS, UM, WITH, WITH REGARD TO THE THREE OVERLAY DISTRICTS, IT SAYS THE GROSS FLOOR AREA SHALL INCLUDE COVERED PORCHES IN ALL ENCLOSED SPACE WITH A CEILING HEIGHT OF SEVEN FEET OR GRADER EXCEPT AS FALL.
JESSE, YOU UH, SHARED A DEFINITION EARLIER.
AND YOU INCLUDED OUTBUILDINGS, YOU ALSO INCLUDED SCREEN PORCHES THAT HAS BEEN CHALLENGED.
DO YOU WANT TO ADJUST YOUR OPINION OR IS THERE SOMETHING IN THE ORDINANCE YOU CAN HANG YOUR HAT ON REGARDING SCREEN PORCHES? WELL, SO THE OVERLAY DISTRICTS HAVE A DEFINITION THAT IS DIFFERENT THAN THE FLOOR AREA RATIO DEFINITION THAT IS BEFORE YOU.
UM, AND THEY HAVE A SEPARATE DEFINITION OF GROSS FLOOR AREA IN THOSE OVERLAYS.
THE FLOOR AREA RATIO DEFINITION THAT IS PROVIDED, THAT APPLIES TO ALL OF THE OTHER AREAS OUTSIDE THE OVERLAYS BASES THAT ON GROSS FLOOR AREA.
SO I THINK I HEARD THAT THERE WAS SOME, UM, I GUESS DISSENT ON HOW I ANSWERED THE QUESTION OF WHAT WAS INCLUDED IN GROSS FLOOR AREA PRIOR TO, UM, WE COULD LOOK AT WHAT THAT MEANS.
UM, RIGHT NOW IT INCLUDES BOTH HEATED AND UNHEATED SQUARE FOOTAGE OF BUILDINGS AND STRUCTURES UNDER THE ROOFTOP.
AND SO WHETHER IT INCLUDES A SCREEN PORCH OR NOT, WE CAN GET CLARIFICATION ON THAT.
BUT, UM, BUT AS WRITTEN, THAT'S WHAT GROSS FLOOR AREA MEANS.
NOW YOU COULD, AS THAT IS A PROPOSED DEFINITION IN THE SET CHANGE HOW THE MEASUREMENT IS MADE.
IF YOU WANT TO BASE IT ON THE BUILDINGS HEATED AND UNHEATED SQUARE FOOTAGE OR SOMETHING, OR MAKE IT SIMILAR TO THE LANGUAGE FOR GROSS FLOOR AREA, THAT'S PART OF THE OVERLAYS.
FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, IT MAKES SENSE TO HAVE OUTBUILDINGS INCLUDED BECAUSE OF THE, OF THEIR COVERAGE AND MASS ON A SITE.
THEY IMPACT WHAT PEOPLE SEE ON THE SITE.
AND, UH, I THINK WHAT, UH, THAT MENTIONED EXTERIOR WALLS, UH, SO THAT YOU DEAL WITH THE PORCH SITUATION, PORCHES ARE INCLUDED.
NO PORCHES WOULD NOT BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT THE EXTERIOR WALL.
AND NOW IF, IF A PORCH IS ENCLOSED, THAT'S A DIFFERENT MATTER AND THAT GETS COMPLICATED.
LOOK, I I THE NUANCES AREN'T GONNA BE SOFT TODAY.
AND SO I THINK THE THRUST IS MITIGATE THE IMPACTS OF DEVELOPMENTS THAT HAVE EXTRAORDINARILY HIGH BARS.
I THINK THAT'S OUR INTENTION TODAY TO REFINE IT FURTHER AND FURTHER.
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UH, OBVIOUSLY WE'RE POINT ME THE NUANCES.WHY THEY ARE IMPORTANT IS THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO ARE SITTING IN THIS AUDIENCE WHO ARE LISTENING, WHO ARE MAKING PLANS AND THEY'RE GONNA DEVELOP THOSE PLANS AND THEY'RE GONNA DELIVER THEM TO THE TA AND THE TOWN IS GONNA HAVE TO MAKE DECISIONS.
AND IF THE TOWN DOESN'T KNOW WHETHER OR NOT A SCREENED IN PORCH IS PART OF WHAT THEY NEED TO CALCULATE, ANSWER THAT QUESTION.
BUT YOU SAID ENCLOSED WAS A QUESTION IN YOUR MIND.
SO ARE YOU SAYING THAT A SCREENED PORCH IS NOT ENCLOSED? IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? I JUST NEED CLARITY BECAUSE THEY NEED CLARITY.
I DON'T THINK A SCREEN PORCH IS ENCLOSED.
CLOSED MEANS WALLS AND WINDOWS.
I MEAN THIS IS OUR DEFINITION OF GROSS FLOOR AREA IN THE CODE.
IT'S THE AREA WITHIN THE INSIDE PERIMETER OF THE EXTERIOR WALLS OF A BUILDING OR OTHER STRUCTURE WITH NO DEDUCTION FOR CORRIDOR, STAIRS, CLOSETS, THICKNESS OF WALLS, COLUMNS OR OTHER FEATURES.
EXCLUSIVE OF AREAS OPEN AND UNOBSTRUCTED TO THE SKY.
SO THE INTENTION IS TO INCLUDE IN THE GROSS FLOOR AREA THE AREAS THAT ARE CONTAINED WITHIN EXTERIOR WALLS.
THAT'S WHAT GROSS FLOOR AREA SAYS.
SO THE EXTERIOR WALL COULD BE AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE, A GARAGE THAT IS AN EXTERIOR WALL OR A HOME.
I JUST NEED TO ASK THE QUESTION.
THE DEFINITION THAT YOU'RE READING FROM UM, IS AN EXISTING DEFINITION, CORRECT? CORRECT.
THAT'S SO WE'RE NOT CHANGING ANYTHING THAT'S EXISTING.
THE ONLY THING THAT IS BEING CHANGED IS THE FOUR AREA RATIO DESCRIPTION.
BUT WHAT TO UNDERSTAND, UH, THAT FOUR AREA RATIO IS BASED ON GROSS FLOOR AREA.
SO WE'RE NOT CHANGING IT AS A LANGUAGE? NO.
CAN I JUST GIVE A REAL LIFE? UM, SO I GAVE A, UM, ROUGHLY 2,500 SQUARE FOOT HOME THAT COULD BE BUILT ON A
IF AT 2400, 2500, JUST SAY 25.
IF YOU INCLUDE, AND, AND AGAIN, PARTICULAR IN THE FLOOD, UH, ZONE AREAS, IF YOU INCLUDE THE GROUND FLOOR, WHICH IS WHERE THE PARKING HAPPENS, YOU'VE TAKEN 2,500 AND YOU'VE SEPARATED UM, 1200, 12 50 WHATEVER OUT OF IT, WHICH MEANS THAT'S ALL YOU'RE LEFT WITH TO BUILD YOUR HOME ON.
SO WHAT YOU ESSENTIALLY HAVE AS A HOME IS 1,250 SQUARE FEET.
ARE YOU SAYING THAT THE FOUNDATION BECOMES EXTERIOR WALL? THE FOUNDATION HAS TO HAVE BRAKES IN IT FLOOD.
I THINK IF WHAT THAT SAYS IS THAT WE'RE EXCLUDING A A, AN ELEVATED GARAGE AREA THEN OR A GARAGE AREA, PERIOD.
YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A HOUSE OVER A GARAGE.
I MEAN, BUT IF THE GARAGE IS ENCLOSED AND YOU CAN ENCLOSE THE GARAGE, BUT THE REST OF THE WALLS HAVE TO BE OPEN, I'M JUST MAKING CONCERNED ABOUT LIVING SPACE.
AND WHAT YOU'RE BASICALLY DOING IS TAKING AWAY HALF.
I I DON'T, SO I DON'T THINK SO.
UM, I'M GONNA CALL THE QUESTION.
I WELL LET'S REPHRASE THE, THE MO PLEASE STATE THE MOTION.
I MOVE THAT WE RECOMMEND TO FULL TOWN COUNCIL PROVISIONS DEALING WITH FLOOR AREA RATIO F A R AT A LEVEL OF 0.45 PERIOD TO BE INCLUDED TO BE THAT CONTAINED WITHIN THE EXTERIOR WALLS OF THE STRUCTURE.
UM, SO MEETING THE DEFINITION OF GROSS FLOOR AREA? YES.
THERE'S A MOTION ON THE TABLE.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.
I'M GONNA STRUGGLE WITH THIS BECAUSE YOU'RE, I DON'T, CAN
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I ASK A QUESTION IN THE MIDDLE OF A VOTE? KIM SAID NO.WELL, I'M NOT, HAVE DISCUSSION IN THE MIDDLE OF A QUESTION.
IF, IF IT IS A TWO, TWO VOTE, IT FAILS.
I'M NOT WILLING TO LET IT FAIL, BUT I DON'T AGREE.
BUT I DON'T AGREE THAT PARKING SPACE, BECAUSE YOU ARE LEAVING PEOPLE IN, IN THAT SMALLEST LOT SIZE WITH A 2,500 SQUARE FOOT HOME THAT HAS TO BE DIVIDED UP AND YOU'RE ENDING UP WITH NOTHING AS A LIVING SPACE, BUT THREE FLOORS ESSENTIALLY.
RIGHT? IF YOU WERE, AND YOU TAKE 2,500 AND YOU DIVIDE IT BY THREE, YOU'VE GOT 830 SQUARE FEET ON THE, ON EACH FLOOR, YOU SOLVE THAT PROBLEM BY SIMPLY NOT ENCLOSING YOUR GARAGE.
IS THAT PRACTICAL? I MEAN, IS THAT PRACTICAL? THAT'S A PERSONAL CHOICE.
WELL, I'M GONNA VOTE YES BECAUSE I WANTED TO MOVE ON, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF THAT ANS THAT QUESTION IS ANSWERED FOR ME.
AND THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR PATIENCE.