Sep 11, 2023 Community Services and Land Use Committee

[1. CALL TO ORDER ]

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WITH ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND IOR WHICH IT STANDS ONE NATION UNDER GOD INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL OH

[3. PUBLIC NOTIFICATION OF THIS MEETING HAS BEEN PUBLISHED, POSTED, AND DISTRIBUTED IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE SOUTH CAROLINA FREEDOM OF INFORMATION ACT ]

COULD I PLEASE CONFIRM THAT MISS BROCK? YES, MA'AM.

[4. APPROVAL OF AGENDA ]

SECOND OF ALL RIGHT. I HAD A MOTION BY CHAIRMAN JOE PASSMAN AND SECOND BY VICE CHAIRMAN LARRY ALL IN FAVOR. I WANT YOU TO. OKAY.

[5. APPROVAL OF MINUTES- August 14, 2023 ]

IT'S MY JUST TO HAVE A SECOND I'LL SECOND IT. ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU, MISS BROWN. MOTION WAS MADE BY MR. IVANEK AND SECOND BY BY MISS BROWN ALL

[6. CITIZEN COMMENT PERIOD ]

I'M HERE TO COMMENT ON NOT TO RECOMMEND THE APPROVAL OF THE REZONING REQUEST FOR 71.54 ACRES LOCATED AT 1691 OKATIE HIGHWAY. I'VE BEEN TO TWO PLANNING BOARD MEETINGS WHICH WERE VERY EDUCATIONAL ME HOWEVER INFRASTRUCTURE FOR THIS PROPOSED COMMUNITY IS NOT THERE YET. THE STREETS ARE OVERTAXED THE SCHOOLS ARE OVERTAXED AND THE REZONING REQUEST REQUIRES IT I BELIEVE A MINIMUM EITHER OF 150 OR 170 ACRES THERE IS ONLY 71 ACRES ON SITE SO I'M COMPLETELY THAT THE BEAUFORT COUNTY PLANNING DEPARTMENT CONTINUES TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL FOR THIS PROJECT THEY WANT TO PUT 419 DWELLING UNITS AND 71 ACRES THAT DOESN'T INCLUDE ROADWAYS OR ANY CIRCULATION IN THAT AREA OR EVEN COMMERCIAL UPFRONT WHICH IS COMPLETELY UNREASONABLE, COMPLETELY UNREASONABLE. SO I'M NOT SURE WHY WE CONTINUE TO HAVE TO GO THROUGH THESE CIRCLES AND I DON'T FOR THE LIFE OF ME CAN'T UNDERSTAND WHY THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT CONTINUES RECOMMEND THIS APPROVAL. SO I URGE YOU TO NOT APPROVE THIS IN MY OPINION IT'S JUST IT'S A DISSERVICE TO THE COMMUNITY, IT'S A DISSERVICE TO THE SCHOOLS. IT'S GOING TO CONTINUE TO CAUSE PROBLEMS DOWN THE ROAD.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT.

NEXT ON THE LIST IS MR. CHUCK NEWTON AND IF YOU'LL STATE YOUR NAME AND WHERE YOU LIVE ON FOR THE RECORD, I'M CHUCK NEWTON. I'M CHAIRMAN OF THE CONCORD COALITION.

I'M A RESIDENT OF DR. ISLAND IN BETWEEN LADY ISLAND AND SAINT HELENA.

I APPRECIATE THE COMMITTEE'S INTEREST IN REVIEWING THIS LACK OF PROGRESS IN IMPLEMENTING THE LADY'S ISLAND PLAN WHICH THE COUNTY COUNCIL UNANIMOUSLY APPROVED AND ADOPTED WAY BACK IN 2019 PREDATES MOST THE PEOPLE HERE ON ON THIS PARTICULAR COUNCIL THE PLAN AND THE SUBSEQUENT WORK REQUIRED TO MAKE THIS PLAN ACTIONABLE HAS BEEN BOUNCED AROUND FOR FOUR YEARS DESPITE OUR BEST EFFORTS THE EFFORTS OF FULL COOPERATION OF MANY OF THOSE WHO SERVED THE ORIGINAL STEERING COMMITTEE I HAS NOT MOVED FORWARD DURING THIS PERIOD ADMINISTRATORS TOOK THE POSITION THAT A WE HAVE A PLAN B WE DON'T NEED A MORE DETAILED PLAN AND C WE CAN DO

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THAT SAID FAR BEYOND ANYTHING TO LOOK AT THE HISTORY OF LADY'S ISLAND PLAN THAT'S BACKWARDS. WHAT'S NEEDED IS AN OBJECTIVE AND A RESPONSIBLE ANALYSIS OF GROWTH AND DEVELOPMENT. I LADIES ON THE COUNCIL TO HELP DEAL WITH IT IT'S GOING TO REQUIRE SOME FUNDS WAY SHORT OF $1,000,000. THE LADY'S ISLAND PLAN WE HAVE IN HAND PROVIDES A GOOD FOUNDATION AND WE WILL NOT HAVE TO PAY FOR IT AGAIN AND YOU WILL HAVE A PARTNER CITY EFFORT IS WILLING TO PARTICIPATE MEANINGFULLY IN FINANCING A COMPREHENSIVE FOR THE ISLAND ALL THAT REMAINS IS THAT FOR THIS COUNCIL TO MAKE LADY'S ISLAND MORE OF A PRIORITY AND LESS MASTER PLAN IT'S A DECISION THAT'S WAY OVERDUE AND WAY TOO IMPORTANT TO CONTINUE TO IGNORE. THANKS VERY MUCH FOR TIME.

THANK YOU. NEXT ON THE LIST IS SCOTTIE DANIEL WHO WILL SPEAK ON ITEM NUMBER TEN IF YOU'LL STATE YOUR ADDRESS AND YOUR NAME PLEASE FOR THE RESTROOM.

MY NAME IS SCOTTIE DANIEL 65 CHERRY POINT ROAD. I'M HERE TO SPEAK ABOUT THE REZONING OF THE 71 ACRES ON CHERRY POINT ROAD. THIS WAS VOTED DOWN IN AUGUST BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION A VOTE OF TO TWO WASN'T EVEN CLOSE.

THIS VOTE PLACE AFTER TWO SEPARATE MEETINGS BECAUSE AT THE END OF THE FIRST MEETING THE DEVELOPER REQUESTED A CONTINUANCE DURING THESE MEETINGS THE APPLICANT'S COMMUNITY SCHOOL THE SCHOOL SYSTEM AND ENVIRONMENTAL GROUPS WERE ALL PRESENT WE REVIEWED EVERYBODY AIRED THEIR VIEWPOINT . MANY QUESTIONS WERE ASKED AND ANSWERED. THE PLANNING FULLY CONSIDERED THE PROPERTY OVERLAY AND THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FOR SOUNDLY VOTING THIS DOWN. SOME OF THEIR ISSUES WERE IMPACT ON SCHOOLS. WE ALREADY HAVE A SCHOOL SYSTEM THAT'S BURSTING THE SEAMS LOOKING TO ADD 440 MORE UNITS AND 78 PER AREA SOME WHICH DOESN'T EVEN INCLUDE THE HOUSING FOR THESE. THIS IS ON TOP OF THE OTHER DEVELOPMENTS THAT ARE ALREADY UNDER CONSTRUCTION IN CLOSE PROXIMITY WHEN THOSE COME ON LINE THAT'S SOMETHING WE STOP BUT WE CAN'T STOP THIS AND BY THEIR OWN ADMISSION PEOPLE WHO STOP THIS REZONING THEY DON'T HAVE TO ADHERE TO PLAN THAT THEY PRESENTED TO US. THEY COULD PUT A HOTEL IN THERE ONCE THIS IS THIS AS LONG AS IT MEETS CERTAIN STANDARDS. WHAT THEY SHOWED US IN DRAWINGS DOESN'T HAVE TO BE WHAT THEY ACTUALLY DO. WE'VE HAD MY WIFE HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH THE JASPER EXCUSE ME BEAUFORT JASPER WATER AND THEY SAID THAT THEY'RE STRUGGLING TO MEET THE CURRENT DEMANDS. THEY'RE NOT EVEN GOING TO BE FULLY ON LINE UNTIL 2025 TRYING TO MEET THE DEMANDS OF THIS AREA.

SO SECONDLY, IN ORDER FOR ME TO GET UP HERE AND SPEAK TODAY, I HAD TO PROVIDE MY NAME AND ADDRESS. YET THROUGHOUT THIS PROCESS NOBODY KNOWS WHO THIS DEVELOPER IS IT REPRESENTED BY AN ATTORNEY AND WE DON'T KNOW WHO'S BACKING THIS WHERE THE MONEY'S COMING FROM AND I DON'T SEE HOW THAT'S ALLOWABLE. I HAVE TO IDENTIFY THE PRESENT AND THEY'VE BEEN THROUGH TWO SEPARATE PLANNING COMMISSIONS MEETINGS AND NOBODY KNOWS WHO

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THEY REPRESENT THE COUNTY BEAUTIFUL. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME YOU.

NEXT ON THE LIST IS BONNIE CHRISTO LAKE. I'M PRONOUNCING THAT RIGHT.

OKAY. AND YOU'RE GOING TO SPEAK ON ITEM NUMBER, CORRECT? OKAY. PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS THE NAMES.

BONNIE CHRIS I'M A RESIDENT OF LADY'S ISLAND HAVE BEEN FOR ABOUT 24 YEARS.

I'M ALSO REALTOR SO ONE OF MY THINGS I'M ADDRESSING IS JUST CONTINUED DEVELOPMENT BOTH RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL ON LADY'S ISLAND WE HAD A MEETING YEARS AGO AT LADY'S ISLAND ELEMENTARY SCHOOL WHERE WE WERE TOLD THAT THINGS WOULD BE DONE SLOW DOWN THE DEVELOPMENT TO DO REASONABLE DEVELOPMENT. AS A REALTOR, ONE OF THE COMMENTS I HEAR WHEN PEOPLE COME FROM SOMEPLACE ELSE IS THIS IS SO GREAT THERE'S NOT A LOT OF BIG BOX DOWNTOWN.

YOU CAN WALK DOWN BAY STREET AND YOU'RE NOT SEEING EVERYTHING YOU SEE IN EVERY OTHER TOWN. YOU'RE NOT SEEING A CRATE BARREL THING.

OTHER STORES THAT ARE EVERYWHERE. THE OTHER THING I'M HEARING NOW WITH PEOPLE THAT'S A REALTOR ON LADY'S IS THAT THE TRAFFIC IS SO BAD NOW THERE'S ACCIDENTS ALMOST EVERY DAY SOMEWHERE ON LADY'S ISLAND MAINLY THAT INTERSECTION BY WALGREENS AND THE NEW HARRIS TEETER WHICH IN ITSELF IS GOING TO PROVIDE A LOT MORE CONGESTION.

SO I'M ASKING YOU TO THINK REALLY HARD ABOUT SITTING DOWN AND DOING A WORKABLE PLAN THAT CAN CONTROL THE GROWTH BOTH COMMERCIALLY AND RESIDENTIAL ON LADY'S ISLAND BECAUSE PEOPLE I KNOW ARE ALREADY OF LOOKING AT SOMEPLACE ELSE SO THEY DON'T HAVE TO GO OVER THE BRIDGE AND WITH THE TRAFFIC. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU.

OKAY. NEXT IS FELICE LAMARCA. ALISHA ARE POLICE POLICE? OKAY, THANK YOU. SO I AM MARCO 149 CHERRY POINT ROAD.

I ALSO ATTENDED THE TWO PLANNING COMMISSION MEETINGS WHERE THIS WAS PROPOSED AND CITIZENS TALKED COASTAL CONSERVATION. LEE SEVERAL ENVIRONMENTAL GROUPS SPOKE AND THE CONCLUSION IS PRETTY MUCH WHAT HOW OUR NEIGHBORHOOD IN OUR COMMUNITY WAS STAMPED SEES THE PLACE AS A WAY TO ENCOURAGE DEVELOPMENT IN WALKABLE NODES AS OPPOSED LOW DENSITY SPRAWL. WHAT'S WRONG WITH ONE HOME FOR THREE ACRES? WHAT'S WRONG WITH ONE HOME FOR ACRE? THEY SAY IT WILL POSITIVE IMPACTS ON OUR COMMUNITY. YOU'VE ALREADY PERMITTED 700 HOMES BETWEEN AND RIVER OAKS AND THEY ALL CAN DUMP ON ROAD. THEY HAVE TWO TO COME OUT AND TAKE A LEFT TURN ON 17.

NOW WE DON'T SEE ANY INFRASTRUCTURE PROGRESS BECAUSE OF THOSE TWO DEVELOPMENTS AND.

STAFF SAYS THEY ARE A PART OF THIS OVERLAY DISTRICT WHICH BLOWS MY MIND AN ADDITIONAL HUNDRED HOMES. SO WHAT'S THE POSITIVE IMPACT ON OUR COMMUNITY CONGESTION, WATER RUNOFF, LESS TREES MORE PAVEMENT MORE HEAT OUR LIFESTYLE CHANGES OUR LIFESTYLE CHANGES. OKAY. THERE WAS AN ENVIRONMENTAL STUDY DONE REALLY BECAUSE I MISSED THE PART ABOUT THE RIVER .

THERE WAS NO MENTION OF THE OKATIE RIVER AND WAS MENTIONED WAS HOW ORDINARY OUR BIRDS AND WILDLIFE ARE SO THEY DON'T CARE ABOUT WHAT HAPPENS TO THE ENVIRONMENT.

THE STUDY DID NOT ADDRESS THE RIVER AND IF WE DON'T WE'RE TO LOSE ONE OF THE MOST PRECIOUS THINGS. HEY, THIS IS US ALL OF US. NOT JUST ALL OF US.

YES, THE APPLICANT, A REALTOR AND I LOOKED IT UP AND I DON'T KNOW WHO THE APPLICANT APPEARS.

IT'S NOT THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY THAT BOTHERS ME. BOTHERS A LOT I WOULD THINK

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WE WITNESSED THE QUESTIONS. WE WITNESSED THE ANSWERS AND WHAT HAS HAPPENED THE END RESULT WHAT THEN ANSWERS THANK THANK YOU FOR AND THANK YOU VERY MUCH OKAY AS DIANE WRIGHT RENATO RANGEL RENDELL, IS SHE HERE OKAY TERRY LAUGHS GINGER AND YOU'RE GOING TO SPEAK ON THE JURY POINT NUMBER. YES, MA'AM, I AM. I'M TERRY LASSITER 146. ROAD.

I'VE BEEN THERE 32 YEARS. I KNOW A LOT OF YOUR FACES. I'VE SEEN THEM FOR YEARS.

I HAVE BEEN INVOLVED FROM THE GET GO WITH COMPREHENSIVE PLAN MAKE LEARNING ALL WHEN IT WAS ORIGINALLY DONE IN 2007 2008 I WAS ALSO AT THE MEETINGS THESE LAST TWO MEETINGS AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WAS EXTREMELY DISTURBING IS WE CANNOT A TRAFFIC STUDY BECAUSE WE USE A TRAFFIC STUDY FROM 2000 IN 19 SO WHAT ARE WE DOING WHY AREN'T WHY AREN'T WE GETTING NEW INFORMATION? BECAUSE BELIEVE ME THERE'S A WHOLE LOT MORE CARS OUT THERE RIGHT NOW THAN THERE WAS IN 2019. I WANT YOU TO TAKE A DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE OF OKATIE AND LOOK AT IT THIS WAY OKATIE IS A CENTER OF A HUB.

YOU LIVE HERE, YOU GO TO SAVANNAH, YOU'RE GOING THROUGH TICKETING.

IF HARTVILLE IS GOING TO BEAUFORT, THEY'RE GOING THROUGH OKATIE HIGHWAY 170 IS A HUGE PROBLEM HUGE PROBLEM AND IT'S ONLY GOING TO GET WORSE ACCIDENTS.

BLUFFTON JUST IN THE NEWS ABOUT HOW MANY ACCIDENTS THEY HAVE WE'RE HEARING IT WITH LADY'S ISLAND AND WE'RE HEARING THIS FROM DIFFERENT PLACES IN THE SAME COUNTY.

THERE MIGHT BE A PROBLEM IT MIGHT BE SOMEONE THESE THESE TAKE A GOOD LOOK AT AND WE HAVE NOW TO THAT MAITLAND BLUFF WANTS TO PUT 250 APARTMENTS UP ON 170 ALSO THEY'RE TRYING TO PUSH THAT THROUGH TO GET RID OF THEIR INITIAL PROPERTY TRYING TO DO US A FAVOR BY NOT PUTTING ANY MORE COMMERCIAL PROPERTY UP THERE. IT'S IT'S A REAL PROBLEM ON THE RIVER. I CAN TELL YOU RIGHT NOW THAT THE ROAD LEVEL IS PRETTY CLOSE TO WHERE IT SHOULDN'T BE. I CAN TELL YOU FOR SURE THAT THE OYSTER BEDS UP BY 278 IT'S NOT DOWN TO CHERRY POINT ARE CLOSED AND NOW THEY'RE CLOSED AT ONLY THE BAILEY'S NOW I CAN'T THINK OF BACK FROM THERE I CAN'T THINK OF THE NAME OF DEVELOPMENT BUT ANYWAY THEY'RE CLOSED. WE CANNOT PICK OYSTERS ANYMORE .

OKAY? IT'S A PROBLEM. WHAT DRAWS PEOPLE THIS AREA THERE 50% LAND IN THIS COUNTY AND 50% WATER. IT'S NOT THE LAND.

IT'S THE WATER PEOPLE GO IN ALL THIS DEVELOPMENT AND THIS NEW ONE ARE GOING TO DRAIN STRAIGHT INTO THE OAKAJEE RIVER. THERE IS NO CHECK ME NO RETENTION POINTS ON THAT PROPERTY FOUR RIVERS OKAY THERE IS A TRENCH THAT RUNS THE BACKSIDE OF IT TRENCHES OVER DOWN PARALLEL WITH CHERRY POINT ROAD AND A DRAIN IN THE BOTTOM OF THE POND THAT IS NOT LAST YEAR. OKAY, ONE LAST CALL FOR THE PERSON DIANE RONDEAU OKAY NOT

[7. UPDATE FROM ASSISTANT COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR ]

MR. JOHNSON OKAY. THAT'S FINE. MR. CHUCK ATKINSON WE'LL GO FIRST. GOOD AFTERNOON. I WANT ADD THAT IF I WENT FIRST YOU MAY NOT HAVE TIME TO GO AT ALL JUST GOOD AFTERNOON ALL OF YOU.

I KNOW YOU'VE HAD A LONG DAY SO I'M GOING TO KEEP THIS SHORT. I'M GOING TO GIVE YOU A BULLET UPDATES OF DIFFERENT PROJECTS AND ITEMS THAT WE THAT ARE OF INTEREST THE PORT ROYAL LIBRARY THE BID PERIOD FOR CONTRACTOR SERVICES ARE BEING CLOSED ON FRIDAY AUGUST 25TH AND PROCUREMENT RECEIVED ONE BID CAPITAL PROJECTS AND PROCUREMENT WILL BE BRINGING THE PROJECT FORWARD COUNCIL'S APPROVAL AT THE SEPTEMBER 25TH PUBLIC FACILITIES AND SAFETY COMMITTEE MEETING. THEY WILL COVER SPECIFICS AT THAT OUR GREENSPACE COMMITTEE

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ON FRIDAY, SEPTEMBER 1ST THE COUNTY RECEIVED A LETTER DOE R ACCEPTING THE PROGRAM'S CRITERIA AS BEING INCOMPLETE WITH APPLICABLE ENABLING LEGISLATION.

SECOND READING BY COUNCIL WAS SCHEDULED FOR TONIGHT THE NATIONAL FLOOD INSURANCE COMMUNITY RATING SYSTEM ANNUAL REVIEW AND THREE YEAR RENEWAL PROCESS.

SIMILARLY LENGTHY. SO IT'S VERY TECHNICAL. SO BEAR WITH ME I THINK IT'S IT'S SOMETHING THAT THE PUBLIC NEEDS TO KNOW ABOUT BEFORE GETTING BUILDING CODES.

DEPARTMENT ADMINISTERS THE COUNTY'S FLOODPLAIN MANAGEMENT PROGRAM PARTICIPATES IN FEMA'S VOLUNTARY COMMUNITY RATING SYSTEM AND MAINTAINS THE VERY HIGHEST RATING FOR BUILDING CODE EFFECTIVENESS GRADING SCHEDULE RATING THAT'S A MOUTHFUL WHICH IS A RATING THAT TELLS US WHAT A GOOD JOB WE DO WITH LOSS MITIGATION AS IT RELATES TO THE BUILT ENVIRONMENT AND IS ACCREDITED BY THE INTERNATIONAL ACCREDITATION SERVICE AND WE ARE UPDATED WE UPDATE THAT ANNUALLY ON AUGUST 228 THE DEPARTMENT SUBMITTED ITS ANNUAL CERTIFICATION PACKET WHICH INCLUDED 400 PLUS PAGES OF DOCUMENTATION TO FEMA FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL. WE'RE CONFIDENT THIS REVIEW WILL BE SUCCESSFUL AS IT HAS BEEN IN YEARS PAST AND THE COUNTY WILL CONTINUE TO RECEIVE FLOOD INSURANCE PREMIUM DISCOUNTS ASSOCIATED WITH BEING A CLASS FIVE COMMUNITY. THIS AGAIN IS A THREE YEAR RENEWAL CYCLE AND SITE VISIT WILL TAKE PLACE IN 2024. IT WAS ORIGINALLY SUPPOSED TO HAPPEN THIS YEAR BUT THE FEMA CONTRACTOR CALLED AND REQUESTED THAT THAT BE PUSHED A YEAR.

WE SUBMITTED ALL OF THE SAME DOCUMENTATION. IT'S JUST THE VISIT WAS PUSHED BACK A YEAR FOR CONTEXT ON WHAT A GOOD JOB OUR STAFF DO THERE ARE 12,000 NATIONAL FLOOD INSURANCE PROGRAM COMMUNITIES THE UNITED STATES. OF THOSE 12,000 ABOUT 1400 PARTICIPATE IN THE VOLUNTARY CRC PROGRAM. OF THAT 1400 LESS THAN 100 HAVE A CLASS OF FIVE OR HIGHER THAT PUTS US IN THE TOP POINT 8% IN THE NATION.

AS IT RELATES TO HOW WELL WE ADMINISTER AND DOCUMENT OUR FLOOD INSURANCE PROGRAM THE REWARD OF THAT IS THAT ALL FLOOD INSURANCE PROGRAM HOLDERS WHO ARE IN A SPECIAL FLOOD HAZARD AREA RECEIVE A 25% DISCOUNT IN THEIR EVERY YEAR. THAT IS A TOTAL SAVINGS DIRECT SAVINGS TO OUR TAXPAYERS WHO HAVE FLOOD INSURANCE POLICIES OF OVER $2 MILLION A YEAR.

THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE ARE VERY PROUD OF . IT'S SOMETHING WE'VE BEEN DOING FOR ABOUT 15 YEARS AND WE WILL CONTINUE TO PARTICIPATE IN THAT VOLUNTARY PROGRAM.

A FEW HIGHLIGHTS ON PASSIVE PARKS WHITEHALL THE WHITEHALL APARTMENT LADIES ON THE WATER SERVICE IS FINALLY AND IT HAS BEEN THE PARK IS AND IS NOW OPEN AND FULLY OPERATIONAL THE SITE'S PIER AND DOCK PROJECT IS CURRENTLY OUT FOR BID AND WE HOPE TO BRING THAT CONTRACT FORWARD VERY SOON. OKATIE WATER PARK IN BOSTON THAT PACKAGE THE BID PACKAGE HAS BEEN COMPLETED AND WE WILL BE PUT OUT BID LATER THIS MONTH.

DANCING MOVES PAST THE PARKS PROJECT THE CONCEPTUAL PLANNING PROCESS HAS BEGUN IN THE EXISTING STRUCTURES DEMOLITION AND ASBESTOS SURVEY PROJECT IS CURRENTLY OUT FOR BID.

OUR PLANNING DEPARTMENT I WANT TO GIVE A REMINDER THAT ON OUR WEBSITE ABOUT HALFWAY DOWN THE WEBSITE THERE IS A DEVELOPMENT PROJECT'S DASHBOARD LINK. IF YOU CLICK ON THAT LINK THE DASHBOARD IS UP TO DATE AND CONTAINS VERY USEFUL INFORMATION TO THE CURRENT DEVELOPMENT PERMIT APPLICATIONS IN THE UNINCORPORATED OF COUNTY.

I HOPE EVERYBODY WILL EXPLORE THAT SITE. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS PLEASE CALL OUR STAFF. IT'S A IT'S A WONDERFUL RESOURCE.

MY LAST ITEM THE FIRST KEY SHORT TERM RENTAL PERMITTING THE PERMIT AND GRACE PERIOD ENDS TODAY. CLOSE OF BUSINESS SEPTEMBER 11TH 2023 CURRENTLY OR TO DATE AS OF 230 THIS AFTERNOON WE HAVE RECEIVED 21 TOTAL THE FIRST BE SHORT TERM RENTAL APPLICATIONS. 11 OF THOSE HAVE BEEN APPROVED AND ISSUED.

SEVEN ARE UNDER REVIEW. WE'VE RECEIVED A NUMBER OF THE LAST WEEK AND TODAY THREE OF THE TOTAL SUBMITTED WERE DISAPPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE STR ORDINANCE.

TWO HAD SITE SPECIFIC COVENANTS AND RESTRICTION ISSUES THAT PROHIBITED SDR HOURS ON THAT LOT AND THE OTHER ONE WAS SUBMITTED FOR A CAMPER AND ACCORDING TO THE ORDINANCE YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO RENT OUT A CAMPER A SHORT TERM ON THE FUSCHIA ISLAND.

THAT CONCLUDES MY REPORT. OKAY, I'D LIKE TO OPEN IT UP FOR QUESTIONS.

ANYONE FROM COUNCIL? NO QUESTIONS? YES.

HAVE A COMMENT. I REALLY APPRECIATE THE DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS DASHBOARD

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IT'S REALLY A GOOD WEBSITE SO CONGRATS ON THAT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR A LIBRARY? WHEN DO YOU ANTICIPATE POSSIBLE CONCLUSION OF THE CONTRACT? SO THE BETTER WORD COMES OUR WE BRING IT FORWARD TO COUNCIL. IT HAS TO GO TO COMMITTEE AND COUNCIL FOR APPROVAL ONCE GET APPROVAL THERE'LL BE A LEAD TIME FOR THE CONTRACTOR TO START. I'M GOING TO GO OUT ON A LIMB AND SAY IT'S ABOUT A 90 DAY PROJECT. I'M HESITANT IN TODAY'S ENVIRONMENT TO SAY THAT BUT IT'S ABOUT A 90 DAY PROJECT CONCURRENT WITH THAT PROJECT. THE FTD, THE FURNITURE, THE FIXTURES, EQUIPMENT THAT'S GOING IN THE LIBRARY ALONG WITH MATERIALS TO GO IN LIBRARY A LIBRARY STAFF ARE WORKING ON SECURING ALL THOSE CONCURRENTLY SO HOPEFULLY AT THE END OF ABOUT THAT 90 DAY PERIOD WE'LL BE READY TO IT. THANK YOU.

ALL RIGHT. OKAY. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT NEXT IS SANDRA AFTERNOON MADAM CHAIR.

COMMITTEE MEMBERS JUST LIKE TO GIVE A BRIEF UPDATE ON A FEW ITEMS IN THE COMMUNITY SERVICES DIVISION LAST WEEK THANKS TO LAURA FANELLI WE WERE ABLE TO FILM FOUR SEGMENTS WITH W W H H I WITH OUR ALCOHOL AND DRUG ABUSE DEPARTMENT AND R OR A VOTER REGISTRATION ELECTIONS IN THE COUNTY. SO SHE SAID THAT WILL END OF A WEEKS IN THE COUNTY CHANNEL AND MEDIA SO THE FOR ALCOHOL AND DRUG IT WAS TALKING ABOUT TREATMENT AND RECOVERY PROGRAMS THAT THE DEPARTMENT OFFERS AND VOTER REGISTRATION JUST GIVING REMINDERS OF CITIZENS THE ELECTION GENERAL ELECTION IN 2024 WHAT YOU NEED TO DO TO COUNTY ANY HUMAN SERVICES DEPARTMENT AS WAS LIKE EVERY YEAR WE ARE IN THE PROCESS OF THE COMMUNITY SERVICES GRANT PROGRAM THE APPLICATION, THE DEADLINE CLOSE JULY 28 WE RECEIVED OVER 30 APPLICATIONS AND THAT WILL GO BEFORE THE PANEL AND THEN I AM LOOKING AT BEFORE COMMITTEE COUNSEL RECOMMENDATIONS TO I'D LIKE TO YOU KNOW KIND OF GIVE KUDOS TO THE OF VOTER REGISTRATION ELECTIONS OF COUNTY THEY HAVE BEEN TIRELESSLY WORKING ON SECURING POLLING LOCATIONS AND TRAINING POLL WORKERS FOR THE GENERAL ELECTION IN 2024. AND AS ORSON MENTIONED, THE LAST PMC EXPANSION THE ADDITION OF REGISTRATION OFFICE THAT IS MOVING FORWARD FORWARD AS YOU ALL ARE AWARE CAROLINE FURMAN IS THE DIRECTOR THE VETERANS AFFAIRS OFFICE.

SHE CAME ON BOARD IN JUNE AND EVER SINCE SHE COME ON BOARD SHE HIT THE GROUND RUNNING.

IT HAS DONE GREAT THINGS FOR THAT DEPARTMENT SO FAR. THE FIRST THING WAS THAT SHE HIRED A FULL TIME COUNSELOR JOHN ABNEY AND JOHN MR. JOHN ABNEY AND CAROLINE FURMAN ARE NOW HAVE BOTH COMPLETED ACCREDITATION TRAINING AT SCD AND WHAT CAROLINE IS FOCUSING ON IS MAKING IT MORE ACCOMMODATING FOR OUR VETERANS .

SO SHE IS WORKING AT GOING TO THE VETERANS AND THAT WILL TAKE PLACE NORTH AND SOUTH OF THE BROAD MORE HAVE A DESIGNATED LOCATION AND I'M IN AS BOSTON SUN CITY AND IN BEAUFORT AND ROTATE FROM YOU KNOW PICO AND SAINT HELENA AND I THINK THAT'S PRETTY MUCH ANY QUESTIONS FROM COUNCIL MEMBERS KNOW AND I HAD A QUESTION MEETING WITH THE VETERANS AND ARE THEY GOING TO DO IT LIKE IN LIBRARY IT LET ME GO YES AND CHECK THIS OUT TO THE LIBRARY AND SHE DID GET AUTHORIZATION AND SO THEY'RE THEY ARE REALLY COOPERATING AND DOING A GREAT JOB IN ASSISTING ON THAT POLLING LOCATIONS OR ARE THEY LOOKING AT MORE POLLING LOCATIONS THAN WE HAD IN THE LAST ELECTION PRIMARY WHERE YOU KNOW YEAH BOTH NORTH AND SOUTH PULSE NORTH AND SOUTH WERE MORE LOCATIONS WHERE WE HAVE THE MACHINES GO WITH THEM. YES, MA'AM.

WE WILL HAVE THE EQUIPMENT. WE'LL HAVE THE EQUIPMENT. YES I KNOW THAT'S ALWAYS AN ISSUE. MAY HAVE A LOCATION BUT NOT ENOUGH MACHINES SO YES WE WILL HAVE ENOUGH EQUIPMENT SC SSI MAKE SURE WE HAVE THAT AND ALSO I WOULD RECOMMEND ONCE THE W

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THANK ALL RIGHT. I'D LIKE TO GIVE A PLUG BEFORE WE GO ON TO NUMBER EIGHT ON THURSDAY I SAW MS.. FIELDS HERE BRITTANY MADE ME THINK ABOUT IT WE'RE HAVING IMAGINE REIMAGINING RIBAUT AND SO WE HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE IN THE AUDIENCE AND ON TV IT STARTS AT 6:00, CORRECT? YES. OKAY.

AND IT'S GOOD TO SEE YOU. THE STUDENTS ARE IN THE STUDENT CENTER RUNS FROM 6 TO 8 REIMAGINED RIBAUT ROAD. ANYONE USES RIBAUT ROAD THIS IS A VERY IMPORTANT MEANING YOU DON'T HAVE TO LIVE ON RIBAUT ROAD FOR IT TO BE IMPORTANT. IT'S A MAJOR ARTERY FOR.

NORTHERN COUNTY THIS IS YOUR CHANCE TO MAKE COMMENTS IF THERE'S THINGS YOU DO WANT TO SEE OR NOT SEE ON REMOTE ROAD AND WE HOPE WE HAVE A HIGH PARTICIPATION FROM EVERYONE AT

[8. Overview and background of the Lady’s Island Village Center Master Plan ]

MR. CHUCK, WE TALKED ABOUT THIS A FEW MONTHS AGO. I GUESS THE LONGER I WANTED TO PUT THIS ON THE AGENDA SO THAT OUR NEW COUNCIL MEMBERS AND THOSE OF US WHO HAVE BEEN AROUND COULD GET A REFRESHER ON THIS AND THIS PLANNING STAFF WAS KIND ENOUGH TO DO IT AND WE'RE GOING TO DO A LITTLE BIT OF REVIEW AND AND WHAT'S AND WHAT'S GOING ON LADIES ISLAND AT THIS AT THIS POINT. OKAY. WELL GOOD AFTERNOON MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC FACILITIES AND LADIES COMMITTEE I WANTED TO JUST GIVE A QUICK BACKGROUND OF THE LADIES PLAN AND THE VILLAGE CENTER MASTER PLAN AND THE STATUS OF IMPLEMENTATION.

SO IN 2018 THE CITY OF BEAUFORT AND COUNTY ADOPTED, THE LADIES ISLAND PLAN THIS WAS A AREA WIDE PLAN FOR THE ISLANDS AND I WOULD SAY THAT SOME OF THE THINGS THAT KIND OF SPURRED ON THIS DESIRE TO DO PLANNING FOR THE ISLAND AND TO DO WITH SOME DEVELOPMENT THAT THE COMMUNITY WAS CONCERNED ABOUT I THINK THERE'S BLAME TO GO AROUND ON BOTH SIDES.

I KNOW THAT THERE WAS A LOT OF CONCERN ABOUT THE WAL-MART LOCATED ON LADY'S ISLAND AND, SOME OYSTER BLUFF AND CLEARANCE OF TREES AND DIFFERENT THINGS, YOU KNOW, STARTED TO CREATE AN INTEREST AMONG CITIZENS TO SEE, YOU KNOW, WHETHER THERE COULD BE MORE COORDINATED EFFORT TO PLAN FOR THE ISLAND. THIS PROCESS FOR THE LADIES ISLAND PLAN TOOK PLACE OVER A PERIOD OF ABOUT A YEAR AND A HALF GUIDED BY A STEERING COMMITTEE WE HAD PUBLIC SURVEYS, PUBLIC MEETINGS AND AND IT WAS ADOPTED JOINTLY. SO THE OUT OF THAT WE PUT TOGETHER A LADY'S ISLAND COMMITTEE BECAUSE WE THE IDEA WAS THAT HAD A VERY YOU KNOW, A KIND OF A MATRIX OF ACTION ITEMS THAT CAME OUT OF THE PLAN AND WE WANTED TO HAVE A COMMITTEE PUT TOGETHER REALLY MADE UP OF THE SAME PEOPLE WHO STEERED THE STEERED THE PROCESS TO MAKE SURE THAT THE PLAN GETS IMPLEMENTED. THAT COMMITTEE MET FOR ABOUT A YEAR AND DURING THAT TIME THERE WAS AN INTEREST IN DOING A MUCH MORE FOCUSED PLAN AROUND THE SEA ISLAND PARKWAY CORRIDOR BASICALLY THE COMMERCIAL DISTRICT THROUGH LADIES ISLAND THAT IS REFERRED AS THE VILLAGE CENTER. SO A SUBCOMMITTEE FORMED OUT OF THAT IMPLEMENTATION TASK FORCE OR IMPLEMENTATION COMMITTEE CALLED THE VILLAGE CENTER TASK FORCE AND THEY BEGAN TO PUT TOGETHER A SCOPE FOR A VILLAGE CENTER MASTER PLAN. YOU KNOW THE I THINK THAT OF THE ISSUES EARLY ON IS THAT THERE'S NEVER BEEN FUNDING SOURCE ASSIGNED TO THIS PROJECT.

SO YOU KNOW, AS STAFFING THIS COMMITTEE WE WERE ALWAYS LOOKING WAYS HOW CAN WE MOVE THIS FORWARD? AND SO WE MADE IN OUR 2021 WE KNEW THAT THE PROJECTS THAT ARE COMING OUT OF THE 2018 SALES TAX REFERENDUM THERE WERE $40 MILLION ALLOCATED TO ROAD IMPROVEMENTS ON LADY'S ISLAND. AND SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE LOOKED AT HOW CAN WE FUND ALL THIS EFFORT FOR VILLAGE CENTER MASTER PLAN INTO THE DESIGN THESE ROAD PROJECTS AND SO WE HAD WORKED WITH THE COUNTY WAS ALREADY UNDER CONTRACT WITH STANTEC STAFF HAD WORKED ON PROVIDING A AN AMENDMENT TO THAT CONTRACT THAT WOULD INCLUDE PLANNING PORTION

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SO THERE'S BEEN A CONCERN THAT WE'VE TAKEN SOME STEPS BUT THERE'S A LOT OF ROOM REFINEMENTS IN MAKING SURE THOSE TWO ZONING ORDINANCES MESH BETTER.

AND SO THOSE HAVE BEEN TWO OF THE FUNDAMENTAL AND I WOULD SAY THAT THE THIRD ONE IS THEN ONE. SO THE ROADWAY IMPROVEMENTS ARE BUILT.

WHAT OTHER SUCH AS INTERCONNECTIVITY COULD HELP SOLVE THE TRAFFIC CONGESTION OF THE ISLAND AND MAKE IT MORE COHESIVE COMMUNITY. SO THOSE ARE KIND OF ROUGHLY SOME OF THE COMPONENTS THAT ARE PART OF THIS VILLAGE CENTER MASTER PLAN IDEA AND SO THAT IS REALLY WHERE YOU KNOW WHERE WE ARE RIGHT NOW AND I WOULD ENTERTAIN ANY QUESTIONS OPEN IT UP FOR QUESTIONS. YEAH NATURALLY MY MY DISTRICT I DO HAVE A LOT OF QUESTIONS FOR THIS ONE SO THE $25,000 I GUESS CHARRETTE THAT'S BEEN PROPOSED RIGHT NOW THE CITY OF HOOVER REJECTED THAT CURRENT PROPOSAL RIGHT. YES, IT WOULD HAVE BEEN A $50,000 BECAUSE BOTH THE CITY AND THE COUNTY AGREED TO FUND HALF OF THAT.

AND WHAT WAS THAT 50,025 AIRPORT WHAT WAS THAT DONE TO COVER THAT WAS SO WE HAD WORKED WITH A FIRM CALLED SGA, THE LAND PLANNERS BILL EUBANKS. HE'S DONE A LOT OF WORK IN COMMUNITY AND THAT PLAN WAS FOCUSED TAKING A LOOK AT THE ZONING OF THE CITY AND THE COUNTY AND IDENTIFYING THOSE AREAS WHERE WE YOU KNOW WHERE WE NEED TO AND TO BRING MORE UNIFORMITY INTO THE ZONING. IT WAS ALSO GOING TO LOOK SOME YOU KNOW, VISION HOW TO TAKE WHAT THE ZONING IS INTENDING TO DO AND CREATING SOME VISUALS THAT WOULD HELP IN COMMUNICATING WITH DEVELOPERS AND PROPERTY OWNERS TO HELP FORWARD PLAN.

AND I BELIEVE WE ALSO HAD A COMPONENT THAT WOULD AT THE FUTURE CROSS SECTION OF SEA ISLAND PARKWAY FROM THE BRIDGE TO THE MAIN INTERSECTION AND SO THAT LAYOUT DESIGN STANDARDS IN THAT PROPOSAL OR IN THE CHARRETTE THAT WAS PROPOSED. YEAH I MEAN IT WOULD IT WOULD FURTHER REFINE THE DESIGN STANDARDS BOTH THE CITY AND THE COUNTY HAVE ARCHITECTURE STANDARDS ON THAT AND WHAT AND PLEASE EDUCATE ME ON IT. YOU KNOW I'M NEW UP HERE BUT WHAT TRAFFIC STUDIES HAVE BEEN DONE BUT WHAT WAS THE MOST RECENT TRAFFIC STUDY FOR THAT AREA OUT THERE? AND I THINK YOU KNOW OVER HERE SORRY IT WASN'T THAT ONE.

OKAY. YEAH. STANTEC DID THEIR INITIAL

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AND I'M SORRY. NO, NO. THIS IS WHY WE'RE DOING THIS.

YES. SO WITH THE WITH THE PLAN THAT INCORPORATED THE SALES TAX I KNOW A LOT OF THIS I KNOW PEOPLE ARE WANTING THOSE TO GET DONE.

I HAVE A BETTER UNDERSTANDING. OBVIOUSLY THE FUNDING HAS TO COME IN FOR, YOU KNOW, ENGINEERING AND IMPLEMENTATION TAKES PLACE. SO IS THERE ANYTHING THAT'S BEEN DONE THAT INCORPORATES THE TRAFFIC, THE ZONING, THE DESIGN PARAMETERS AND TAKES A HOLISTIC APPROACH TO THE LADY'S ISLAND ESPECIALLY THE VILLAGE CENTER? IS THERE BEEN ANYTHING DONE OTHER THAN A VISIONING? WELL, SO WE HAVE A VISIONING DONE AND IT LAYS OUT YOU KNOW, IT LET'S SAY THAT'S A 20,000 FOOT VIEW BUT THE CITY AND THE TOWN BOTH HAVE ZONING IN PLACE.

THEY'RE TRANSECTS HOMES, YOU KNOW SO THE ZONING LAND USE POLICY IS DESIGNED TO IMPLEMENT THE VISION NOW IT NEEDS REFINEMENT YOU KNOW BECAUSE WE HAVE TWO JURISDICTIONS THEY DON'T NECESSARILY ALWAYS MESH YOU KNOW SO IT'S IT'S ALMOST LIKE YOU HAVE ALL PIECES IN PLACE AND WHAT YOU NEED TO DO IS COORDINATE THOSE PIECES AND YOU KNOW, AS YOU SAID, YOU KIND OF TAKE A YOU KNOW, TAKE A LOOK AT ALL THE DIFFERENT COMPONENTS, MAKE THEY'RE MESHING TOGETHER AND MAKE A DECISION. THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I WANT TO GET DONE. YOU KNOW, I HEARD FROM OUR PREVIOUS ADMINISTRATOR THAT WE'VE SPENT LOT OF MONEY OUT THERE AND LADIES ISLAND AND HE DIDN'T WANT TO SPEND ANY MORE AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT MONEY HAS BEEN SPENT OUT THERE. I DON'T KNOW WHAT PLANNING HAS BEEN OUT THERE OBVIOUSLY. YOU KNOW, I'VE DONE MY OWN RESEARCH THAT BUT IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY I TOLD MY CONSTITUENTS DOESN'T NECESSARILY SEEM LIKE MONEY WELL SPENT SO I DON'T NECESSARILY I DON'T WANT TO GO SPEND $25,000 WHEN WE'RE LEAVING A LOT OF THE TAPE. I WOULD RATHER SCRAP THIS AND SOMETHING TOGETHER.

IT'S GOING TO TAKE THAT HOLISTIC APPROACH AND ACTUALLY GET THAT THAT MASTER PLAN THE VILLAGE CENTER GET A COHESIVE EFFORT TOGETHER. LOOK AT THE TRAFFIC, THE ROAD IMPROVEMENTS, GET THE TRAFFIC OBVIOUSLY ON THE PARKWAY I THINK THE LAST OF THE PREVIOUS COUNCIL THEY HAD A PROPOSAL TO WIDEN THE ON THE PARKWAY AND I WAS CAMPAIGNING AT THAT POINT PEOPLE WERE UP IN ARMS ABOUT THAT. I MEAN THAT WAS GOING TO PROPERTY AWAY THAT WAS GOING TO TAKE PARKING AWAY FROM BUSINESSES.

I THAT'S THAT'S PART OF THE REASON I THINK A MASTERPLAN IS NEEDED AND I JUST DON'T WANT TO I DON'T WANT TO PUT A BAND-AID ON A BULLET WOUND ESSENTIALLY. I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE DOING THIS RIGHT WHEN WE MOVE FORWARD. THE STUDY THAT I JUST HAVE A QUESTION DOES THE STANDING PLAN THAT WAS DATED 2000 TO 2017 AND UPDATED IN 2022 ON THE 2021? OKAY. THAT PLAN IMPROVEMENTS TO THE PARKWAY INCLUDING SOME MEDIANS AND SOME OTHER THINGS THAT PEOPLE OBJECTED TO IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY OR.

YEAH IT'S HAD A COLORFUL HISTORY I MEAN IS THE SO THE IT I CAN YOU KNOW PROBABLY ENGINEERING COULD SPEAK BETTER TO THIS BUT THE PLAN THE ORIGINAL BY STANTEC WAS DESIGNED TO TRY TO YOU KNOW YOU COULD EITHER ADDRESS CONGESTION BY WIDENING ROADS OR BY TRYING TO IMPROVE THE TRANSPORTATION NETWORK SO IT WAS DESIGNED TO TAKE AS MANY TRIPS OFF OF THAT MAIN INTERSECTION AS POSSIBLE THE PROBLEM IS IS SEND EACH ONE OF THOSE INDIVIDUAL PROJECTS AND YOU KNOW, EFFECTS PEOPLE AND SO BEEN REVISIONS TO TO YOU KNOW IS WE'VE BEEN HAVING COMMUNITY MEETINGS YOU KNOW AND SO I THINK ENGINEERING COULD SPEAK BETTER TO THE STATUS OF THAT AND HOW THE NEW YOU KNOW THE REVISED PROJECTS WORK TOGETHER BUT THAT WAS THAT WAS THE IN THE ORIGINAL APPROACH TRYING TO IMPROVE THE NETWORK OF STREETS SO THAT PEOPLE CAN AVOID THE MAIN INTERSECTION OR MAKE GO TO A SIGNAL TO GET OUT RATHER THAN TRYING TO MAKE A LEFT TURN, YOU KNOW, ON A CONGESTED HIGHWAY. AND IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY THERE WAS NUMEROUS AND A LOT OF CONTROVERSY ABOUT THE HIGH SCHOOL ACCESS WHICH SINCE THE HIGH SCHOOL'S BEEN BUILT AND THROUGH THE PARK IT WAS NOT HOW TO DO THAT AND THAT KIND OF IS AT A STANDSTILL, IS THAT CORRECT? THERE'S OF AS FAR ENGINEERING'S GONE. YEAH. IF YOU DON'T MIND THE CHAIR COULD SPEAK THIS ALL OF THE I KNOW THIS IS YOU KNOW IT'S A SERIES OF EVENTS THAT HAVE OCCURRED IN TRYING TO IMPLEMENT WHAT WAS ON PAPER AND WHAT IS REALITY LIKE EXACTLY YOU'RE RIGHT ON MISS HOWARD IS THAT BASICALLY ON THAT SPECIFIC SECTION OF THE IMPROVEMENT SIDE

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WE ALL HAD DIFFERENT AND THINGS WE FOCUS ON ESPECIALLY CLOSER TO OUR DISTRICTS.

BUT ONE THING THAT I'VE ALWAYS BEEN BIG ON IS WHERE ARE WE AT? WHAT ARE WE DOING? SO JUST FOR CLARITY FOR EVERYBODY IN THE PUBLIC AND THE REST OF US ON COUNCIL, WHAT IS THE NEXT STEP? IT SOUNDS LIKE WE'RE JUST AT A STANDSTILL NOW.

SO WHAT DO WE NEED TO DO AT THIS POINT TO TAKE THE NEXT TO MOVE SOMETHING ALONG TO START IMPROVEMENTS OR PUT SOMETHING TOGETHER? I DON'T KNOW ANSWER TO THE VISION. LIKE I SAID IT'S NOT THE SAME EXPERTIZE BUT THE THING WE TALKED ABOUT THE SUPER PANEL WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT IT IN JANUARY SAID COOL BOOTS ON THE GROUND FEBRUARY WE STARTED WORKING IT OUT PLENTY OF TIME. SO WHAT DO WE NEED TO DO ON OUR END TO SUPPORT STAFF IN THE PUBLIC TO START FIGURING OUT WHAT WE NEED TO PUT TOGETHER TO PUT AN IMAGE AND AN IDEA ON PAPER AND STUFF. I WAS I MEAN SO I GUESS FROM OUR STANDPOINT IS STAFF YOU KNOW IF THIS IS IN THE INTEREST OF COUNCIL MOVING FORWARD THEN ,YOU KNOW WE NEED I GUESS TO WORK WHAT WE BELIEVE FOR THE NECESSARY COMPONENTS OF THIS AND THEN YOU KNOW IT COMES DOWN TO FUNDING SO IT'S REALLY YOU KNOW, WE'RE WILLING AS STAFF TO WORK WHATEVER YOU KNOW WHETHER THIS IS A SMALL PROJECT OR A BIG PROJECT WE'RE WILLING TO WORK WITHIN THOSE PARAMETERS. THAT'S YOU KNOW, WE'VE LOOKED AT THIS QUITE BIT AND SO I, I WOULD SAY THAT IT WOULD TAKE AN ACTION OF COUNCIL, YOU KNOW, TO THE 17 YEAR PLAN IS A RECOMMENDATION FOR DO MASTER PLAN OF THIS BOARD TO AT LEAST SEEK TO THE COST THAT MASTER PLAN WOULD COST US SO WE COULD ACTUALLY VOTE ON IT AND MAYBE JUST JUMP IN AND SAY ONE THING AND THEN LARRY DIE. WE REPRESENT HILTON HEAD ISLAND OF THE MOST STRONGEST THEMES WE HEAR IS THAT THERE WAS A MASTER PLAN KNOW SO TO MY COLLEAGUE DAVID BARTHOLOMEW GOT TO TELL YOU I GIVE YOU A LOT OF CREDIT FOR PUSHING THAT IF YOU GET THAT DONE, PAYING THE MONEY FOR THAT WOULD SAVE AN AWFUL LOT OF HEARTACHE. YOU ALSO I DON'T KNOW I THINK FOR VERY MORE BUILDING AND ALL I THINK OF MASTER PLAN IS THE WAY TO GO.

WELL, YOU PUSH THIS GUY. LET ME ASK MR. OCEAN CARLSON I HAVE TWO QUESTIONS.

I'M NOT SURE MR. VIRGIN OR CAN ANSWER THAT ONE WE WE SAID WE WOULD GIVE $25,000 THE PREVIOUS COUNCIL BUT CITY OF BEAUFORT SAID NO, THEY DON'T WANT TO PARTICIPATE IN THE CONTRACT SO WE'RE WONDERING WHY THEY SAID THAT AND THE SECOND THING IS OUR SECOND SPEAKER TODAY HE SAID IT'S $1,000,000 FOR A PLAN FOR A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN WHICH IS 40 TIMES 25,000 ARE THOSE CAN YOU RATIONALIZE THAT FOR ME? I'M NOT SURE THAT'S WHAT MR. NEWTON SAID. THEY SAID $1,000,000. I HEARD 1 MILLION.

HE DROPPED IT. I WRONG ON THAT NOT FOR THE MASTER PLAN AND IF I CAN MAYBE EDITORIALIZE A LITTLE BIT PLEASE. SO I THINK THE MASTER PLAN THE IDEA OF A MASTER PLAN MEANS SOMETHING DIFFERENT TO EACH PERSON.

SO I THINK I, I THINK IT'S REMINDING OURSELVES WHAT ARE THE COMPONENTS NECESSARY TO MOVE IT FORWARD AND SO DEFINING AND THEN FIGURING OUT IS THIS $50,000 PROJECT A $200,000 PROJECT, YOU KNOW, BEING ABLE TO COME BACK WITH WITH SOME SORT OF RECOMMENDATION WAY.

BUT I DO THINK IN SPEAKING OUT OF TURN BUT I KNOW THAT THERE'S THAT ISSUE OF SEA ISLAND PARKWAY BETWEEN THE BRIDGE AND THE INTERSECTION THAT IS ON HOLD.

BUT THAT'S SOMETHING WE DO ANTICIPATE WE'LL PICK UP AGAIN. YEAH I MEAN SO THERE'S OBVIOUSLY A LOT OF TRAFFIC IN THAT SECTION AND IT PLAYS TO THE OVERALL SYSTEM.

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IT POSSIBLY IS. I'M NOT SURE WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE ON THE ON THE CITY SIDE WHETHER THEY WOULD SUPPORT THIS OR NOT I THINK I THINK THERE PROBABLY IS SUPPORT AS FAR AS THE COST WHETHER IT'S 50,000 OR A MILLION I CAN FAIRLY CONFIDENT SAY THAT IT'S NOT BUDGETED FOR YEAH I GOT THAT SO THOSE ARE THOSE ARE CONCERNS AND I THINK THAT'S THE THAT'S WHY WE WANTED TO DO THIS MEETING YES OUR COUNTY CHAIRMAN WILL BE LISTENING TO EVERYONE IT LOOKS LIKE WE HAVE A PLAN THAT MAY HAVE FLAWS IN IN IN ORDER FOR US TO MOVE FORWARD WITH A REFERENDUM THAT COMES UP IN 2024 TO ADDRESS ISSUES IN THE VARIOUS AREAS AROUND, I THINK WE NEED A COLLABORATION BETWEEN THE CITY OF BEAUFORT AND THE COUNTY TO TALK ABOUT THIS PLAN WHAT IT NEEDS SO THAT WE CAN INSTRUCT THE COMMUNITY IF THIS IS WHAT PLAN SAYS, THIS IS HOW WE ACHIEVE THE PLAN. SO YOU KNOW I'M NOT SURE THAT 25,000 OR $50,000 IS GOING TO GET US ANYTHING. I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE A MEETING WITH OUR COUNTERPARTS IN THE CITY OF BEAUFORT TO LAY OUT A SCOPE OF WHAT WE WANT AS A MASTER PLAN.

LIKE MR. REID SAID AND MR. BARTHOLOMEW SAID SO THAT IF WE HAVE KIND OF PLAN WE KNOW WHAT IT'S GOING TO COST TO ACHIEVE THAT. YEAH AND TO THAT POINT A LITTLE BIT SO INITIALLY THE 2017 STUDY WAS $30 MILLION AND THAT WAS OFFERED IN THE 2018 SALES TAX THAT $30 MILLION TO DO THE TRANSPORTATION TO DO THE SIDE OF THIS WHAT WAS NOT CONCEIVED IN THAT STUDY WAS THE COST FOR WIDENING AND RIGHT AWAY BECAUSE THERE WASN'T A SALES TAX ENVISIONED AT THE TIME OF 2017 SO AFTER WE GOT THROUGH THAT WE DID A FULL COST OF ALL THE SCOPING OF THOSE NINE PROJECTS THAT COST AROUND MILLION DOLLARS.

SO WE KNEW WE'RE SHORT ON THAT PROJECT. WE'RE MOVING ON THE DESIGN ON ALL OF THEM AND WE'RE GETTING STARTED ON THE CONSTRUCTION OF SOME OF THEM LAST YEAR SALES TAX COMMITTEE BEFORE THEY TOOK NEW PROJECTS THEY MADE IN THEIR RECOMMENDATION COUNCIL THEY SAID LET'S PLUS UP THE OLD PROJECTS MAKE SURE THAT SCOPE IS FULLY ENVISIONED AND PAID FOR AND AND SO WE'RE ABOUT TO START THAT PROCESS AGAIN WITH THE NEW SALES TAX COMMITTEE AND WE'RE KIND OF USING THAT AS A JUMPING OFF POINT LAST YEAR'S RECOMMENDATION.

SO IF THE SCOPE IS BIGGER THAN WHAT WAS ENVISIONED IN THE 2017 STANTEC STUDY ■ANUPDATED STUDY IN 2021 THEN NOW WOULD BE THE TIME. SO IF YOU TO INCORPORATE THAT IN FUTURE SALES TAX FUNDING FOR THE ROAD FOR THE ROAD FOR THE TRANSPORTATION OF IT SO I DON'T THINK WE NEED A MOTION BUT JUST SOME DIRECTION AT POINT. YES SIR.

YOU GOT ANOTHER QUESTION IF YOU WOULDN'T MIND MORE OF IT I GUESS IS A QUESTION SINCE WE ARE JUST HAVING NOTHING THAT HAS AN ACTION BEING TAKEN UNLESS THERE'S A RECOMMENDATION SENSE OF DISCUSSION I AGREE WITH THE CHAIRMAN THERE HAS TO BE USER THANKFULLY WE DO HAVE THE MAYOR HERE RIGHT NOW. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I THINK WE NEED TO GET STAFF FIRST BEFORE WE UNDERSTAND. YEAH, BUT ONE OF THE QUESTIONS WAS FROM TAB ABOUT THE $25,000 ON THERE HAVE BEEN I KNOW IF THAT'S SOMETHING WE COULD GET AN ANSWER FOR AS YOU DIDN'T GET AN ANSWER FOR THAT WHY YOU DECIDED TO ENGAGE IN THAT? I DON'T I REALLY RECOMMEND WE NOT DO THAT THIS TIME. I THINK WE NEED TO BUT I DON'T ANSWER THAT. BUT WE'VE HAD SOME INITIAL THAT'S WATER UNDER THE BRIDGE WITH TOWN STAFF. YEAH I THINK THERE THEY'RE OPEN TO EXPLORING THE IDEA WHETHER THAT'S 25 OR BEYOND I DON'T KNOW BUT WE'VE HAD SOME DISCUSSIONS.

STAFF I'D LIKE TO DEFER COUNCILMAN OR JUST JUST ONE FINE UNLESS UNLESS COUNCILMAN CUNNINGHAM HAS SOMETHING ELSE TO AND NO MA'AM JUST ONE FINAL I REALLY THINK THIS IS A WONDERFUL OPPORTUNITY RIGHT NOW TO GET OUT IN FRONT OF THIS WE HAVE WHITEHALL DEVELOPMENT COMING OUT THERE IN LADY'S ISLAND. WE HAVE REIMAGINED REVO WE HAVE

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HOW DO WE MOVE FORWARD NOW? WHAT CAN WE DO JOINTLY TO ENSURE THAT ANY PLAN WE PUT TOGETHER CAN BE A PLAN THAT WE AGREE TO AND CAN IMPLEMENT BECAUSE WE HAVE THE REFERENDUM COMING UP AND WE MAY NEED TO PUT THINGS IN REFERENDUM BASED UPON THIS PLAN SO.

IF YES YOU DO MAKE JUST A COMMENT YOU HAVE TO PUT A DOLLAR AMOUNT THEN FROM THERE JUST HAVE A PLAN. YOU HAVE TO PUT SOME MONEY IN THERE SO WE KNOW WHAT THE BUDGET'S GOING TO BE. BUT I THINK TO YOUR POINT, COUNCILMAN BARTHOLOMEW INTO CHAIRMAN PASSIM, IF WE CAN ASK THE ADMINISTRATION TO WORK WITH THE CITY BEFORE AND OUR STAFF AND THEIR STAFF TO COME UP WITH BEFORE WE GO FOR THIS REFERENDUM TAX REFERENCE MAYBE WE'LL TAKE THAT UP. I HAVE A REQUEST ON NOW WE ARE ALL KEPT IN THE LOOP ON THAT AND IT'S NOT JUST A ONE SIDED THING RIGHT? WE CAN BE MY ONLY REQUEST FROM CONVERSATION WE HAVE HAD PREVIOUSLY WE CAN PUT IT ON THE AGENDA FOR THE NEXT COMMUNITY SERVICE LAND USE. WE'LL KEEP IT ON THE AGENDA AND JOEL AND HOWARD, THANK YOU FOR GETTING THIS ON THE AGENDA. APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU, ROB.

THANK YOU ALL SO MUCH. THANK YOU FOR THE UPDATE AND THE REVIEW AND OH AND NOT NOT TO NOT LET THE MAYOR BUT I THINK WE'RE MOVING FORWARD AND WE'RE GOING TO HAVE AN UPDATE AT THE NEXT MEETING OF COMMUNITY SERVICES AND LAND USE.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THERE'S NO USE BEATING THE OLD DEAD HORSE. WE'RE GOING TO GO FORWARD. THANK YOU.

[9. RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF AN ORDINANCE FOR A PROPOSED TEXT AMENDMENT TO ARTICLE 7, DIVISION 7.4, SECTION 7.4.50 (PUBLIC HEARING SCHEDULING AND NOTICE) AND SECTION 7.4.70 (PUBLIC HEARING PROCEDURES) TO CLARIFY THAT PUBLIC COMMENT IS NOT TAKEN FOR APPEALS TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION OR THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS ]

YES I'LL MAKE THAT MOTION THAT WE MOVE THIS ON TO COUNSEL FOR FIRST READING OF THE ORDINANCE WE HAVE A MOTION BY CHAIRMAN PASSMAN DO WE HAVE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND THAT.

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[10. RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF AN ORDINANCE FOR A ZONING MAP AMENDMENT/REZONING REQUEST FOR 71.54 ACRES (R600 013 000 0008 0000 AND R600 013 000 0050 0000), LOCATED AT 1691 OKATIE HIGHWAY, FROM T2 RURAL (T2R) TO T4 NEIGHBORHOOD CENTER (T4NC) AND T3 NEIGHBORHOOD (T3N) USING A VILLAGE PLACE TYPE OVERLAY (PTO) (ARTICLE 3 DIVISION 4 SECTION 80, ARTICLE 7 DIVISION 3 SECTION 50). ]

AND THEN NUMBER TEN IS RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF AN ORDINANCE FOR A ZONING MAP AMENDMENT REZONING REQUEST FOR 71.4 ACRES LOCATE AND I'M NOT GOING TO READ THE I IDEA IT'S IN THE AGENDA LOCATED AT 1691 OKATIE HIGHWAY FROM T RURAL TO T FOR NEIGHBORHOOD CENTER 93 NEIGHBORHOOD USING A VILLAGE PLACE TYPE OVERLAY PTO ARTICLE THREE DIVISION FOR SECTION 80 ARTICLE SEVEN DIVISION THREE, SECTION 50 AND THIS WILL BE BRIEF BY MR. MERCHANT WE O I REQUESTED THAT WE DO A DRONE OVERVIEW HE'S GOING TO RUN IT FORWARD FOR THAT BUT JUST SO THAT PEOPLE ON COUNCIL IN THE PUBLIC CAN SEE HOW THIS RELATES TO OTHER AREAS AND WHERE THIS PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT, THEN WE'LL GET INTO THE MEAT OF THE REZONING REQUEST HAVE IT'S A LARGE FILE SO GOING TO STAGGER A LITTLE BIT YEAH BUT BASICALLY IS AS YOU MENTIONED THIS IS A 71 ACRE PARCEL THAT IS LOCATED DIRECTLY SOUTH OF CHERRY POINT AT THE INTERSECTION OF CHERRY POINT ROAD AND 170. SO IT ALSO IS LOCATED IMMEDIATELY SOUTH OF OKATIE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL. SO GIVE YOU SOME IDEA SO IT ACTUALLY ADJOINS OKATIE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL ACROSS POINT ROAD AND RIVER OAKS WHICH IS A NEW SUBDIVISION THAT IS GOING IN AND HAS APPROXIMATELY 300 UNITS AND THEN RIVER OAKS ADJOINS MALE AND WHICH HAS ABOUT 300 UNITS SO 350 I THINK MARK PROVIDES YOU WITH THE EXACT THERE BUT I WANTED TO JUST GIVES BRIEF BACKGROUND THEN I'M GOING TO HAND THIS OVER TO MARK DAVIS BUT THE PROPOSAL THAT IS COMING FORWARD IS IS UNIQUE. THIS COUNCIL IS NOT AT A PROPOSAL LIKE THIS BEFORE BUT WE HAVE A TOOL IN OUR CODE CALLED A PLACE TYPE OVERLAY DISTRICT AND IN OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IN THIS PARTICULAR AREA ALONG 170 THE PLAN CALLS FOR NODES OF DEVELOPMENT IN MORE COMPACT WALKABLE COMMUNITIES RATHER THAN HAVING IT SPRAWLING ALONG CORRIDOR. AND SO THE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN ACTUALLY IDENTIFIES AREAS THAT YOU KNOW IF WE WERE TO CONSIDER AN UP ZONING UP ZONE IN A MORE WALKABLE NATURE AND IT'S IT'S NOT A ONE SIZE FITS ALL WE HAVE IF YOU'RE OUT IN A RURAL AREA WE HAVE SOMETHING CALLED RURAL CROSSROADS. SO LIKE IN THE SHELDON COMMUNITY BIG ESTATES GARDENS QUARTER THOSE ARE RURAL CROSSROADS AND WE HAVE HAMLETS AND WE HAVE VILLAGE AND SO WHAT IS BEING PROPOSED BECAUSE THIS IS COINCIDES WITH A VILLAGE PLACE TYPE IN OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS THAT THEY USE A TOOL THAT IS AVAILABLE IN OUR COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT CODE AND THIS IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT STRAIGHTFORWARD REZONING I GUESS WE'RE ON THE OKATIE RIVER . I FIGURED I'D RATHER THAN NARRATE I'LL JUST LET YOU WATCH THE SCENERY BUT IS IT JUST A PORTION OF IT ON THE OKATIE THIS PROPERTY NOT IT DOES FRONT A SALTWATER INLET. OH I BELIEVE IT'S IT'S A MARSH OR A VERY SMALL CREEK BUT THE CHERRY POINT SUBDIVISION IS ACTUALLY ON THE OKATIE RIVER.

SO THE TYPICAL REZONING WE LOOK AT A CHANGE FROM ONE DISTRICT TO ANOTHER YOU KNOW IF THEY'RE ZONED TO RURAL THEY WANT TO REZONE TO SEE THREE OR SEE FOUR AND REALLY WE ARE REQUIRED TO LOOK AT EVEN IF THEY HAVE A PARTICULAR PARTICULAR DEVELOPMENT IN MIND, WE HAVE TO LOOK AT ALL THE THINGS THAT THAT DISTRICT PERMITS BECAUSE IF YOU IF YOU ZONE NEAR YOUR PROPERTY AND IT'S A COMMERCIAL MIXED USE DISTRICT, WE CAN'T REALLY PLACE ANY ADDITIONAL CONDITIONS ON THAT REZONING. SO SOMEBODY IS ENTITLED IF IT'S SUPPORTED ON THE LAND TO DO WHATEVER THAT 70 DISTRICT ALLOWS. WHAT THIS DOES IS THE TYPE OVERLAY RECOMMENDS KIND OF A RANGE OF DISTRICTS TO BE ADOPTED IN THE AREA SO VILLAGE PLACE TYPE IS GOING TO HAVE SOME MORE DENSE DEVELOPMENT AT ITS CORE AND THEN AS IT GOES FURTHER AWAY FROM THAT CORE IT'S GOING TO GET LESS DENSE AND SO WHEN IT IS ADOPTED ON THE MAP IT WILL APPEAR AS DIFFERENT DISTRICTS YOU KNOW SO THEY'LL HAVE T FOR HAMLET

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BUT IT'S IN ADDITION TO THE JUST STRAIGHTFORWARD ZONING DISTRICTS.

THIS ALSO REQUIRES THE ADOPTION OF A THOROUGHFARE PLAN OR ROADS PLAN FOR THE FOR THE NEIGHBORHOODS YOU KNOW IS PART OF THE ADOPTION YOUR ADOPT SYSTEM OF STREETS AND CROSS-SECTIONS OF THOSE STREETS AND WOULD THIS AND THEN ALSO OPEN SPACE YOU KNOW IS IS ADOPTED AS WELL WHAT THIS DOES IT IN SOME WAYS IT HAS SOME SIMILARITY TO THE OLD PLAN UNIT DEVELOPMENT OR PD IN THAT YOU'RE ADOPTING MORE THAN JUST ZONING DISTRICTS.

BUT A MASTER PLAN IS WHAT ALLOWS THE COUNTY IS THAT YOU KNOW IF WE WERE MAKING DECISION TO MOVE IN THIS DIRECTION WE HAVE MUCH MORE SURETY OF CHARACTER OF DEVELOPMENT BECAUSE NOT ONLY ARE THEY SHOWING THE DISTRICTS ARE SHOWING THE STREET AND BLOCK LAYOUTS WHERE THE OPEN IS GOING TO BE, YOU KNOW, SO IT'S IT'S SOMETHING THAT PROVIDES A MORE SURETY IN HOW IT IS IMPLEMENTED, YOU KNOW, JUST A STRAIGHTFORWARD REZONING.

I WANTED GIVE THAT BACKGROUND, YOU KNOW, AS MARK MOVES FORWARD IN OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FOR THIS AREA IT RECOMMENDS TYPE OF UP ZONING AND SO IT STARTS YOU KNOW WE THAT YOU KNOW WHEN YOU LOOK AT WHY IS STAFF SUPPORTING THIS WELL WE'RE GOING TO THE LAND YOU SUBMIT LAND USE PLAN IN THE COMPREHENSIVE WHERE IT YOU KNOW IT OUTLINES THIS IS A VILLAGE PLACE AND THEN IMPLEMENTING IT THROUGH WHAT THE ORDINANCE LAYS OUT IS PROCESS TO DO THIS SO THAT'S KIND OF GIVING YOU JUST A BROAD OVERVIEW AND WHAT WAS THE VOTE AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION FOR THE REST OF THE COUNCIL TO AGAIN YEAH IT WAS IT WAS FIVE AGAINST TWO FOR AND THAT WAS THE MOST RECENT AND IT WAS PRESENTED PREVIOUSLY IN THE APPLICANT CAME BACK WITH THIS PLAN BASED ON THE PREVIOUS PEOPLE THEY WERE POSTPONED AND THEN THEY CAME BACK WITH THIS CORRECT AND WENT TO THE JULY MEETING AND AT THAT TIME AND I CAN'T REMEMBER IF THE PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMENDED THEY TABLED THEY TABLED IN JULY THEY TABLED IT IN JULY SOMETIMES THE APPLICANT MAY REQUEST THAT BUT IT WAS THE PLANNING IT WAS A COMMISSION THEY TABLED IN JULY AND THEN IN AUGUST THEY REVIEWED IT AND THEN MADE A RECOMMENDATION TO MY DO YOU WANT TO MARK PRESENT NOW OR DO YOU WANT SOME OTHER QUESTIONS BEFORE WE I MEAN IF YOU HAVE ANY KIND OF BROAD I MEAN MARK WILL GO INTO THE DETAILS OF THE PLAN BUT IF YOU HAVE SOME KIND OF LIKE BROAD POLICY QUESTIONS I MEAN I DO. YES.

OKAY. COMMENTS WERE MADE BY INDIVIDUALS.

THE FIRST ONE WAS THAT THIS IS 71 ACRES AND YOU CAN'T WHAT THEY WANT TO PROPOSE HERE BECAUSE NEED A MINIMUM OF 150 ACRES IS THAT ACCURATE? WELL SO THE PLAN SAYS THAT A VILLAGE AT A MINIMUM YOU KNOW IF YOU HAVE A VILLAGE TYPE IT SHOULD BE 71 ACRES.

BUT WHEN WE LOOKED AT DEVELOPMENTS OKATIE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL AND RIVER WE SAW THIS AS A COMPONENT OF THIS THIS VILLAGE. AND SO THAT IS HOW WE INTERPRETED THAT AS OKAY. THE SECOND QUESTION WAS THAT YOU KNOW, THIS IS GOING TO TALK DIRECTLY THE OKATIE RIVER AND IT IS NOT RIGHT ON THE RIVER. I DO SEE ONE LITTLE SECTION THERE WHERE THE WORD MARSH IS. HOW IS THAT BEING CONTROLLED? WELL, IT'S BEING CONTROLLED THROUGH I MEAN PART OF IT WOULD BE THE OPEN SPACE PLAN. THEY HAVE THEIR BUFFERS AND OPEN SPACE ALONG A TIDAL CREEK THAT RUNS ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE PROPERTY.

IN ADDITION THEY HAVE TO FOLLOW OUR SO LOCO STORMWATER MANUAL SO WATER WILL BE TREATED TO PRE-DEVELOPMENT YOU KNOW RUNOFF AND POST DEVELOPMENT SO I MEAN THOSE ALL OF THOSE INCLUDING OUR RIVER BUFFERS ARE DESIGNED TO MINIMIZE THE IMPACT OF STORMWATER SO THAT THAT WOULD BE HOW WE WOULD BE MITIGATING THE DEVELOPMENT HERE IS THROUGH THE TOOLS THAT WE HAVE THE NEXT ONE WAS THAT THE TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS HASN'T BEEN DONE FOR HERE.

OKAY WE HAVE TRAFFIC THERE HAS BEEN ONE AND THERE'S BEEN SOME TRAFFIC STUDY AND SOME IMPROVEMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN SUGGESTED BASED ON THOSE WE CAN GET INTO THAT MORE SO I BELIEVE OUR ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT'S HERE TO ANSWER ANY MORE DETAILED QUESTIONS IN THAT.

OKAY. BUT ONCE WE GET INTO THE PLAN WE CAN JUMP INTO THAT STUFF.

OKAY. NEXT WAS THAT RIVER OAKS DID NOT HAVE ANY RETENTION.

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I DO KNOW IN THEIR REFERENDUM THAT THEY INTEND TO BUILD A NEW ELEMENTARY SCHOOL TO TAKE THE PRESSURE OFF THE VARIOUS ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS IN BLUFFTON. YES.

AND I BELIEVE IT'S GOING TO BE OVER IN NEW RIVERSIDE. IS IT OKATIE ELEMENTARY IN HAS A VERY LARGE ATTENDANCE AREA SO I YOU KNOW IT'S OUR UNDERSTANDING THIS WOULD HAVE AN IMPACT OF MAKING THEIR ATTENDANCE AREAS SMALLER AND IT WOULD BE BY THE NEIGHBORING SCHOOL AND HAVE ANY OTHER BROAD QUESTIONS. OKAY.

WELL, COUNCILMAN CUNNINGHAM, JUST FOLLOW UP WITH ONE OF MR. PARSONS QUESTION.

I DON'T THINK WE GOT AN ANSWER TO THIS FIRST ONE ABOUT THE NUMBER OF HOUSES PER SQUARE FOOTAGE. WHY BEING JUSTIFIED IF DOESN'T MEET OUR NORMAL CODE RIGHT? HE ASKED THE QUESTION YOU MEAN THE MINIMUM THRESHOLD COMMENT WAS THIS NOT BE APPROVED BECAUSE THE ACREAGE IS ONLY 71 AND YOU NEED 150 ACRES, CORRECT TIME.

SO I DON'T THINK GOING TO ANSWER WHY IT'S BEING ALLOWED AT 71 WELL A LOT MIGHT HAVE MISSED IT I'M JUST YEAH WHAT SO WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS COMPREHENSIVE PLAN SAYS THIS IS A VILLAGE PLACE TYPE AND SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT THIS DEVELOPMENT THIS IS NOT A STANDALONE VILLAGE IT'S REALLY BUILDING OFF OF ADJOINING DEVELOPMENT AT OKATIE ELEMENTARY AND THEN ALSO AT THE RIVER OAKS SUBDIVISION. SO THE ACREAGE OF THOSE ADDITIONAL DEVELOPMENTS THAT ARE THAT ADJOINED THIS THAT WOULD BE YOU KNOW CONNECTED THROUGH ROADS ARE PART OF THE SO IT'S A GRAY AREA YEAH A STAFF INTERPRETATION YOU KNOW WHEN YOU NEVER HAVE PARCELS PERFECTLY SIZED TO CREATE A VILLAGE SO IN A WAY IN AN IDEAL WORLD YOU KNOW IT'S GOING TO BE A COMPONENT OF SEVERAL ADJOINING I UNDERSTAND YEAH.

A COUPLE MORE QUESTIONS THE OTHER ONE WAS WHEN WE HAVE A DEBATE ON THAT STUDY THAT TRAFFIC STUDY THINK SOMEBODY SAID 2017 BUT IT WASN'T STAFF ONCE AGAIN 1920 IS GOING TO GET AN INCREASE ON POINT LIKE OKAY WELL IT WAS RECENTLY 20 1928. OKAY.

I JUST HAVE ONE QUESTION. YES. IS ANY THE HOUSING THAT'S GOING TO BE DEVELOPED GOING TO BE APPLICABLE WORKFORCE HOUSING? WELL, THAT'S THAT'S A QUESTION FOR COUNCIL'S WE MOVE FORWARD SO THROUGH THE DISPLACED OVERLAY WE DON'T HAVE A REQUIREMENT FOR THAT BUT THAT'S A YOU KNOW THAT'S IF COUNCIL WANTS TO MOVE IN THAT DIRECTION THAT OBVIOUSLY SOMETHING THAT COULD BE IMPLEMENTED THROUGH SOMETHING LIKE A DEVELOPMENT OKAY THERE IS A MIX OF HOUSING TYPE THERE'S MIX OF HOUSING. YEAH.

OKAY. DO YOU WANT TO LET WITH MARK? GO AHEAD.

YES. SO INTERPRETING THE WORD VILLAGE YOU'RE I'M ASSUMING THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT DIFFERENT TYPES OF HOUSES OPEN LAND SPACE AND COMMERCIAL INPUT. IS THAT IS THAT READ BUILDINGS TOWARDS THE ROAD OF 170 I'M ASSUMING IS COMMERCIAL WELL THAT'S THEIR INTERPRETATION THEY'RE PLANNING FOR YES SO THAT DISTRICT IS A MIXED DISTRICT IT ALLOWS FOR A WIDE RANGE OF COMMERCIAL AND THAT ONCE AGAIN THAT'S A QUESTION THE DISTRICT ALLOWS IT TO REQUIRE IT'S OR REQUIRE IT TO BE TYING WITH DEVELOPMENT IS SOMETHING TO WORK THROUGH. YES.

AND THAT LEADS ME TO MY BIGGEST QUESTION IN ALL WE HAVE THIS EXACT SAME PROBLEM WITH ONE LOT NORTH OF THIS ON MAINLAND BLUFF IT'S CURRENTLY TRYING TO BE RESOLVED FOR LIKE THE THIRD TIME BECAUSE THEY CAN'T OR DON'T WANT TO SELL IT AS COMMERCIAL PROPERTY.

YEAH BECAUSE THEY'RE SAYING IT'S GOING TO TAKE TOO LONG TO DEVELOP YET WE'RE CONSIDERING DOING THE EXACT SAME PROCESS A MILE DOWN THE ROAD SOUTH OF DOING COMMERCIAL ON THE FRONT WHERE WE CAN'T THE COMMERCIAL PROPERTY THAT'S RIGHT NEXT DOOR TO IT I THINK IT'S LITERALLY THAT NEXT BLOCK UP AT THE ENTRANCE OF MAINLAND BLUFF AND PULTE HOMES DID THAT AND THE DEVELOPER OF THE FRONT LAND SOLD THE BACK OFF TO PULTE AND NOW THEY'RE TRYING TO CHANGE THAT ORIGINALLY PLAN WHEN THEY SOLD THE HOUSES AT RESIDENTIAL TWO AND IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE COMMERCIAL THEY SOLD THEM GOLF CART GARAGES TO GET TO THE GARAGE TO THE COMMERCIAL PROPERTY AND NOW THEY'RE TRYING TO DO WORKFORCE HOUSING IN APARTMENTS AND THEN

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BUT MR. HAMMOND AS I JUST SAID, I LISTENED TO ALL BOTH OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION SO IT WAS LIKE 5 HOURS. YEAH. SO IF I UNDERSTAND RIGHT TO GROW GROWS ONE DWELLING FOR THREE ACRES. YES.

IF WE'RE WORKING THIS WOULD BE SIX UNITS PER AN ACRE. OKAY.

MY BIGGEST CONCERN OBVIOUSLY THE SCHOOL THERE ARE 91% CAPACITY.

I UNDERSTAND IF THE REFERENDUM PASSES THEY'RE GOING TO BUILD BUT WE'RE GOING TO BE BUSSING KIDS ALL THE WAY DOWN THERE AND AS AN EDUCATOR I'M NOT UP FOR THAT.

BUT ALSO MIDDLE SCHOOLS AT 84% MAY REPRESENT 91% CAPACITY. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ADDING OVER 400 NEW HOMES HERE. ALL I COULD THINK ABOUT IS WHEN I DRIVE 170 TO COME HERE IT IS A VERITABLE NIGHTMARE PERIOD NOW WE'RE GOING TO DROP 400 MORE HOUSES.

I HEARD THEM SAY 50 TRIPS AND ALL THIS STUFF BUT UNDERSTAND WE'RE GOING TO DO IMPROVEMENTS ON 170 BUT NOT THAT FAST. SO I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE TRAFFIC I'M 170.

I'M CONCERNED THE SCHOOLS I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE INFRASTRUCTURE KNOW WE HAVE PLANS BUT ISN'T THERE C.J. WSJ AND AGAIN THIS IS A LOT OF UNITS AND THEN WE ANOTHER DEVELOPMENT THAT WANTS TO POP RIGHT IN THERE TOO AND I KNOW I RAN IN SOME OTHER PEOPLE RAN ON LIMITING SOME OF THE GROWTH OR MANAGING GROWTH BECAUSE SOUTH OF THE BROAD IT'S EXPLODING AND THIS IS EXAMPLE ONE RIGHT HERE IN FRONT OF ME SO I'M JUST HAVING REAL HARD TIME WITH THIS AND IF I LIVED IN MOLINE PLUS I'D BE HAVING A FIT. THERE'S A CERTAIN CITY RESIDENT I KNOW WHEN OUR DEVELOPER DID THINGS LIKE THIS BUT WE KEEP CHANGING THE LANDSCAPE ON THESE PEOPLE AND THIS IS A REZONING WHICH MEANS WE DON'T HAVE TO APPROVE IT.

OKAY. AND I HEARD SOMEBODY SAY THEY DIDN'T BUY IT YET.

WELL, THEY'RE YOU KNOW, THE APPLICANT CAN SPEAK TO THAT BUT THAT'S ACTUALLY HAPPENS OFTEN.

IT'S A IT'S A CONDITION OF SALES TO OKAY. CAN WE WE'RE GOING TO LOOK WE'RE GOING TO GO INTO THE WEEDS A LITTLE BIT MORE. OKAY.

LET MARK DAVIS COME FORWARD AND THEN WE'LL WORK APPLICANT COME FORWARD IF IT'S OKAY I'M GOING TO SPEAK FROM HERE AND DRIVE. CAN EVERYONE HIM GOOD YOU CAN DRIVE ALL RIGHT SO OKAY YOU KNOW YOU'RE GOING TO COME UP TO THE PODIUM OKAY THE ONE SEVEN YOU CAN'T DRIVE.

SO ALL THE COMMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN MADE ASSOCIATED AS EVERYBODY'S RIGHT NOBODY'S WRONG IN REGARDS TO AIR CONCERNS OR ENVIRONMENTAL OR TRAFFIC THEIR SCHOOL THESE PROBLEMS THAT WE HAVE AND WHAT WE'RE BRINGING FORWARD YOU TODAY BECAUSE WE RECEIVED AN APPLICATION TERESA ON THE PROPERTY WHEN STAFF RECEIVES THESE HAVE TO PROCESS THEM WE HAVE BRING THEM WHAT WE'RE BRINGING YOU TODAY IS AN EXAMPLE OF A TOOL THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE IN THE TOOLBOX TO ALLOW REZONING AND DEVELOPMENT PLANS DONE THAT ALLOWS US TO GET IN SOME DETAIL OF THE PLANS THAT I'M ABOUT TO GET INTO SO WHEN THEY COME TO PLANNING COMMISSION THEY COME TO COUNCIL YOU ALL GET AN OPPORTUNITY AND A SAY IN A CHANCE TO BE A PART OF THE DESIGN YOU KNOW LIKE USUALLY YOU JUST KIND OF APPROVE BLANK SLATE AND THEN STAFF JUST GOES THROUGH DEVELOPMENT REVIEW THEN DEVELOPMENT JUST ENDS UP THE WAY IT IS. THIS IS NOT THAT THIS IS A TOOL FOR THE PLANNING COMMISSION LEADERS OF THIS COUNTY TO BE INVOLVED IN SITE DESIGN OF A REZONING AT THAT TIME.

SO YOU KNOW EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE GETTING APPROVING IN ADDITION TO THAT IF YOU ACCOMPANY IT WITH THE DEVELOPMENT YOU CAN TIME IT WITH PHASES UNITS REQUIREMENTS OF OFF STREET INFRASTRUCTURE ASSOCIATED BECAUSE WE KNOW WE CAN PLUG IN EXACTLY THE AMOUNT OF UNITS WE HAVE ALL OF THE INPUTS PUT IN AT THAT TIME. SO WE'RE A TRAFFIC ENGINEERS CAN TAKE THOSE NUMBERS AND SEE WHERE THEY FALL BECAUSE A LOT OF TIMES SOMETIMES ZONING YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO GET SO WE CAN COHESIVELY DO THAT ALL AT ONE TIME THE APPLICANT CAN TOWARDS THEIR COMMITMENTS ON IT BUT WOULD BE LOOKING TO IMPLEMENT SOMETHING WITH ALL OF THOSE THINGS IN PLACE. WHAT WE'RE BRINGING FORWARD IS A TOOL FOR A LAND PLAN WHAT THE LEADERS OF THIS COUNTY WANT TO DO WITH THAT LAND PLAN IS UP TO YOU WHAT KIND OF HOUSING YOU WANT TO HAVE IN IT, WHAT'S IMPORTANT TO YOU.

ALL OF IT CAN BE DONE. YOU HAVE TO DECIDE THAT I JUST KIND OF WANT TO LIVE WITH THAT

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SO THIS IS ACTUALLY THE REZONING USUALLY YOU JUST SEE A COLOR THIS IS THE YOU ALL GET TO LOOK AT AS A PART OF THESE PATIOS. SO HERE YOU'LL SEE THE DIFFERENT ZONING TYPES AND THIS IS REGULATED THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT CODE TO GO BACK TO AGAIN YOUR CONCERNS ON THE FRONT NOT THAT IS COMMERCIAL WE HAD THE SAME IDEAS MOST OF THAT UP FRONT ARE SMALL HOUSE LIKE THE WHERE THEY'RE PROPOSING IT BASED OFF THE BLOCK SIZES ARE SMALL APARTMENT BUILDINGS A LITTLE PIECE UP THERE WHERE YOU KIND OF SEE SOME WHITE OUTLINES OR LIKE KIND OF OFFICE COMMERCIAL IT'S PROGRAMED I BELIEVE THE TRAFFIC STUDY PROGRAM SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 25 AND 50,000 SQUARE FEET. SO WE KIND OF HAD THE SIMILAR ALL OF THAT CAN CHANGE. WE CAN ADD MORE. WE CAN SOME AWAY, WE CAN ACCOMPANY IT FOR IT IN THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENTS WE CAN MAKE BUFFERS BIGGER.

WE CAN DO ANYTHING WE WANT HERE. BUT THE MOST IMPORTANT IS IS THIS IS A STAFF PLANNING COMMISSION AND COUNCIL EFFORT AND THESE THINGS AS WE DO THESE PLACE THEY VERBALIZE SO THIS IS THE ZONING YOU CAN SEE IT'S KIND OF GOT THE STREETS, IT'S GOT SOME BASIC GRIDS SET UP AND NETWORKS USUALLY Y'ALL DON'T SEE MUCH.

SO THIS IS WE CALL A THOROUGHFARE PLAN. SO AGAIN REMEMBER WE'RE ONLY TALKING REZONING THIS LEVEL BUT THIS IS THE DETAILS YOU GET. SO THE THOROUGHFARE PLAN YOU CAN KIND OF SEE IT'S COLOR CODED AND YOU SEE DETAILED THAT KIND OF SPECIFY THE LANE WHETHER IT'S GOT ON STREET PARKING AND THE TYPE OF ROAD SECTION THAT'S ASSOCIATED TO A PARTICULAR SO A LOT OF TIMES IN THESE THINGS WE HAVE WHAT'S CALLED BLOCK SIZE PERIMETER THAT'S HOW YOU KNOW YOU KEEP SOMETHING WALKABLE SO. ALL OF THESE HAVE TO MEET A BLOCK SIZE PERIMETER. THERE'S A LOT OF ALLEYS IN THERE SO THAT'S WHAT YOUR THOROUGHFARE PLAN. SO WE KNOW THE ROADS AND THE STREET SECTIONS WE'RE GETTING TO SERVE THAT PARTICULAR DENSITY OR THAT USE AT THAT TIME SO FRIENDS IF I'M ON AN ALLEY AND I'VE GOT A HOUSE FRONTING A STREET I MIGHT WANT ON STREET PARKING ON THAT BECAUSE THAT MAKES SENSE. THAT'S GOOD DESIGN. SO THESE PLANS HERE CAN GIVE US THAT AND AS THIS IF IF IT WAS TO GET APPROVED THEY HAVE TO BUILD THAT PLAN THEY HAVE TO BUILD IT AND THE WEIGHT OF THIS PROCESS DOESN'T ALLOW A DEVELOPER WHEN IT'S JUST STAFF IN THEM DURING OUR SRT PUSH UPS AROUND WHICH THEY DO OFTEN BUT THIS IS THE CIVIC BUFFER AND OPEN SPACE PLAN THIS PLAN HERE DETAILS YOUR BUFFERS THE CIVIC SPACE YOUR OPEN SPACE WHAT TYPES IF YOU LOOK AT THE CHART AND IT GIVES YOU AN EXAMPLE THEIR SIZE IS WHAT THEY'RE USED FOR. SO IF YOU PUT ALL OF THESE TOGETHER YOU START TO KIND OF LAYER IN THERE USES ROADS AND YOUR OPEN SPACE WHAT IT DOESN'T DO IS DICTATE THE PRODUCT SO YOU CAN'T SAY IT'S A CAN'T NECESSARILY SAY AT THIS TIME IT'S A TOWNHOUSE DUPLEX THAT'S THE APPLICANT THEY HAVE MANY RESIDENTIAL UNITS THAT THEY GET TO BURN IN THAT PROCESS AND LIKE THE BACK PORTION AND YOU KIND OF MAYBE GO THAT GO BACK TO THE GAS PLAN RIGHT THERE THE VERY BACK PORTION CLOSER TO THE RIVER FOR INSTANCE THAT WOULD BE IN THE TRANSECT SCALE AS YOU GET CLOSER TO THE ROAD WHERE YOU CAN SEE IT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE DENSE THAT PARTICULAR ZONING TRANSECT IS MORE DENSE HAS INTENSE USES AS YOU GET TOWARDS THE BACK LESS ENDS UP IT WOULD MAKE SENSE TO PROGRAM THAT AGAIN THIS IS A PROGRAM THAT THAT'S MORE SINGLE FAMILY AND AN A STATE SIZE LOTS GET THROUGH THAT NATURAL DIVIDE YOU GET TO THE OTHER SIDE YOU KIND OF HAVE AN AREA IN THERE WHERE YOU MIGHT HAVE SOME MAYBE SOME MORE SINGLE FAMILIES SMALLER LOTS AND AS YOU GET CLOSER UP AND THE COLORS CHANGE YOU CAN START GETTING IN TOWNHOUSES, DUPLEXES LOW THROUGH HERE YOU KNOW PEOPLE ARE WELL IS THERE'S YOU CAN HAVE MULTIPLE TYPES OF HOUSING NOW WE AS IN OUR PTA RIGHT NOW NOT GAINING THAT DETAIL MINUS SHOWING YOU THE BLOCKS HOWEVER AS A PART OF THIS PROCESS IF IT WAS THE COUNTY'S WILL FOR STAFF TO GET INTO THAT SPECIFICALLY SHOW WHAT KIND OF OR GET THE TOWNHOUSES ARE GETTING DUPLEXES WHERE WE GET SINGLES SO YOU GET THAT MIX AND WE CAN DO THAT THE

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I WOULD EVEN GO AS FAR AS I MEAN WELL I DON'T KNOW BUT I WOULD IF IT WAS ME AND I WAS DOING DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT I WOULD SAY THAT THE DEVELOPER DOESN'T HAVE A RIGHT TO REQUEST AN AMENDMENT FOR TEN YEARS. OKAY. BINGO.

OKAY. COUNCILMAN CUNNINGHAM YEAH, I LIKE THE IDEA LOOKS GREAT.

IT LOOKS GREAT ON PAPER IT'S VERY ENTICING FOR US TO BE A PART OF A PROJECT EVEN IF WE ARE PART OF THE PROJECT AND THE IDEA LOOKS GREAT STILL DOESN'T SOLVE ANY OF THE ISSUES THAT WE HAVE OUTLINED WITH THE ROADS, THE TRAFFIC WITH THE SCHOOLS. SO IT'S VERY ENTICING FOR ALL OF US UP HERE TO OH YEAH, THIS IS A GREAT IDEA ON PAPER THIS COULD BE A GREAT PROJECT FOR WE CAN FORCE THEM TO DO WORKFORCE HOUSING WE COULD POSSIBLY ALL THESE DIFFERENT THINGS BUT STILL 400 AND SOME HOMES WITH AT LEAST 600 CARS THEN 2 TO 1 RATIO.

SO IT STILL DOESN'T THOSE ISSUES DON'T GET ME WRONG I LOVE THE DESIGN.

IT CAN BE A GREAT I LOT THERE WOULD BE A LOT OF OFFSITE TRAFFIC IMPROVEMENTS TO THIS DEVELOPMENT A DEVELOPER WOULD HAVE TO PAY FOR INTERSECTION AND CHERRY POINT I WOULD THINK INTERSECTION LIGHTS SIDEWALKS AND THAT'S PART OF SOME OF THEIR PRESENTATIONS THAT THAT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS THE PLANNING COMMISSION HAD THEIR FIRST VISIT THEN THEY CAME BACK TO THE SECOND VISIT AND GAVE A VERY DETAILED DESCRIPTION OF WHAT TYPE OF IMPROVEMENTS WOULD BE MADE AND WHAT TIMES NOW DOES IT FIX 170 DOES IS IT GOING TO FIX THE SCHOOL? YEAH NO BUT WHAT I CAN SAY IS WHAT CONVERSATIONS WE'VE HAD TODAY REGARDING IT IS THAT IT WILL IMPROVE CHERRY POINT IT WILL IMPROVE THAT KIND OF MAKE UP FOR THE LOST OPPORTUNITY TO THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE BACK THERE . NOT WRONG THAT ROAD AND THAT SCHOOL SHOULD'VE NEVER BEEN PLACED ON THAT ROAD IN THAT CONDITION.

WE ARE TRYING TO HELP FIX THAT TODAY BUT IF OKAY THANK YOU. WE NEED TO LET APPLICANT PRESENT I THINK AT THIS POINT BECAUSE WE HAVE TO STILL DO EXECUTIVE SESSION.

OKAY. OKAY. AND THEY WILL IT'S APPLICANT WOULD LIKE TO COME FORWARD STAGE NAME REPRESENTING THE APPLICANT AND NOW WE WE HAVE SEVERAL OPTIONS AFTER YOU HEAR THE APPLICANT YOU KNOW WHAT ACTION WE CAN TAKE AND I THINK MOST OF COUNTY COUNCIL REALIZES WHAT THOSE OPTIONS ARE WE CAN JUST GO TO COUNCIL WE GO TO COUNCIL WITH WITH A RECOMMENDATION OR OR EVEN IF WE FEEL THAT'S NECESSARY.

OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIRWOMAN AND MEMBERS OF COUNCIL MY NAME IS DUKES, AN ATTORNEY WITH THE LAW FIRM HARVEY ABADIE AND I REPRESENT APPLICANT IN THIS MATTER THE APPLICANT'S WORKING WITH THE COUNTY FOR A FEW YEARS ON THIS THERE HAVE BEEN VARIOUS ITERATIONS THIS HAS COME THROUGH TO THIS PROCESS OF THIS PLACE TYPE OVERLAY RECENTLY TO ADDRESS A LOT OF THESE THINGS REALLY TO LOCK IN DEVELOPMENT AND SO I WOULD LIKE TO START SAYING THAT THIS WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THERE A CIRCLE AROUND THIS PARTICULAR AREA AND IT IS FOR A VILLAGE PLACE TYPE OVERLAY IN THIS AREA AND SO IT'S VERY SPECIFIC UNDER THE PLAN THAT'S WHAT THE COUNCIL WANTED TO HAVE HERE AND

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BUT I'M GOING TO GO THROUGH A FEW THINGS OF HOW WHAT I MEAN BY SOLUTION ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT HERE. FIRST WE HAVE THIS VILLAGE CONCEPT.

WE HAVE THE HIGHER DENSITY WHICH IS RIDING RADIATING OUT TOWARDS A LOWER DENSE SECTION SINGLE. A LOT OF THAT HAS TO DO WE DON'T WANT TO BUMP UP AGAINST THE NEIGHBORHOOD BACK THERE THEY WILL CLEAR WE INCREASE THE BUFFER BETWEEN THIS DEVELOPMENT AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS A DIRECT RESPONSE FROM THE PUBLIC COMMENT THAT CAME OUT ALSO THE DIVERSITY OF HOUSING THAT'S HERE THIS VILLAGE PLACE TYPE ALLOWS FOR US TO HAVE THAT DIVERSITY OF HOUSING THAT ALLOWS FOR RENTAL UNITS WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THE SIMPLE OWNERSHIP THERE'S GOING TO BE MULTIPLE TYPES OF FEASIBLE OWNERSHIP.

THERE'S GOING TO BE TOWNHOMES, THERE'S GOING TO BE MULTIFAMILY OFFICE SIMPLE, THERE'S GOING TO BE SINGLE FAMILY SO THAT WE CAN PROVIDE ENTRY LEVEL TRANSITIONAL HOUSING WHILE AT THE SAME TIME HAVING HOUSING IN THE BACK WHICH IS LONG TERM GROWTH AND ABILITY TO CREATE AND HOUSING FOR THESE INDIVIDUALS AND TO CREATE A PRODUCT WE'RE ALL PROUD OF THAT WE WANT TO SEE THAT'S A QUALITY DEVELOPMENT. SOME OF THOSE ENTRY LEVEL HOUSES MAY BE ACHIEVED BY NOT BY A REDUCTION IN QUALITY BUT RATHER BY REDUCTION IN SIZE SQUARE FOOTAGE BUILDING SAME. BUT WE'RE GOING TO LOWER WE'RE GOING TO REDUCE WE'RE ALSO GOING TO PROVIDE WORKFORCE HOUSING AS A DIRECT QUESTION HERE ABOUT WORKFORCE HOUSING WE'RE PUTTING OUT THERE THAT 20% OF THE PROJECT WOULD BE WORKFORCE HOUSING AND I THINK THAT WE THINK THAT THAT'S SIGNIFICANT. WE THINK THAT THERE'S THERE'S A PROBLEM IN THIS COUNTY FOR WORKFORCE HOUSING AND WE THINK THAT THAT HELPS IT DOESN'T SOLVE THE PROBLEM. NOT ONE PROPERTY OWNER, NOT ONE DEVELOPMENT CAN SOLVE PROBLEM JUST LIKE TRAFFIC. ONE OF THE THINGS WE'RE PROPOSING AS PART OF THIS DEVELOPMENT IS WE ARE PROPOSING AT OUR COST TO PUT IN AN INTERSECTION AT THE RIVERWALK BOULEVARD AND THE NEW SOUTH ENTRANCE ON DEVELOPMENT THAT WILL PROVIDE INTERCONNECTIVITY.

IT WILL ALLOW RESIDENTS TO THE BACK TO ENTER IN THERE AND WILL IMPROVE A VERY DANGEROUS SITUATION THE RIVERWALK NOW THAT IS SOMETHING ONE OF THE QUESTIONS THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION HAD IS OKAY YOU'RE DOING OFF IMPROVEMENTS. HOW DO THOSE FIT INTO THE COUNTY'S PLAN? THEY DIRECTLY FIT INTO THE COUNTY'S PLAN.

THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GOING BUILD IMPLEMENT TRAFFIC IMPROVEMENTS WHICH OUR ENGINEER WHO ALSO IS WORKING ON THE COUNTY'S PLAN FOR 170 IS PART OF THAT LONG TERM PLAN.

SO WHAT I WOULD POSIT TO THE MEMBERS HERE IS THAT NOT ONLY IS IT BEING PAID BY THE DEVELOPER BUT IT'S ALSO GOING TO BE ACHIEVED AND IMPLEMENTED LIKELY FOR BEFORE IT WOULD BE ABLE TO BE DONE BY THE COUNTY BY THE TIME YOU HAVE THE FUNDING AND THE APPROVALS AND THE DESIGN. AND SO WE THINK THAT'S A WE THINK THAT IMPROVES OUR MIND YOU IT'S INCREMENTAL IT'S NOT GOING TO PROVE 170 BUT THIS PROJECT IMPROVES 170 AND IMPROVES THE TRAFFIC ADDITIONALLY THERE'LL BE TURN LANES AT CHERRY POINT IT'LL INCREASE CHERRY POINT THAT'S A PROBLEM FOR THE SCHOOL WITH PICK UP, DROP OFF ETC. TO THAT POINT ANOTHER OF THIS IS THAT THIS YES THIS WILL THIS IS GOING TO HAVE CHILDREN THAT LIVE IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD. THERE'S NO DOUBT BUT THIS IS NOT THE FIELD OF DREAMS. WE'RE NOT BUILDING IT SO THAT THEY WILL COME THE CHILDREN ARE HERE AND THIS IS GOING TO PROVIDE AN OPPORTUNITY THESE KIDS TO WALK. THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE THE SCHOOL BUSSES. THERE'S NOT TO BE THE DROP OFF. THIS IS ACTUALLY A BETTER SOLUTION THAN WHAT WE HEARD FROM ROB THAT OKATIE HAS A VERY LARGE ATTENDANCE AREA THAT MEANS BUSSES, THAT MEANS EXPENSE, THAT MEANS DAMAGE ON THE ROADWAYS, THAT MEANS STACKING FROM PARENTS ALL THOSE THINGS THAT WILL BE BETTER SERVED BY THIS AGAIN DOESN'T SOLVE THE WHOLE PROBLEM BUT HOW MANY PROJECTS AND ACTUALLY PRESENT ANY GOOD SOLUTIONS TO THE COUNTY WE'RE TO ADDRESS IN EVERY SINGLE AREA SOLUTIONS TO PROVIDE TO THIS AND THOSE HAVE BEEN DEVELOPED THROUGHOUT THE PROCESS IN WORK WITH STAFF BY LISTENING TO THE COMMUNITY BY TO COUNCIL MEMBERS. THAT'S WHAT WE'VE TRIED DO. SO I THINK THAT HEARING THOSE THINGS MOVING FORWARD THAT'S THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACHIEVE IS THIS SOLUTIONS DEVELOPMENT THAT WILL PROVIDE BENEFITS FOR THE COUNTY WHILE ALLOWING DEVELOPMENT ON A PIECE

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WHAT WE WANT TO SEE IS 20% AND THAT CAN BE MEASURED IN SEVERAL DIFFERENT WAYS.

IT COULD BE 20% OF SINGLE FAMILY. IT COULD BE 20% OF ALL UNITS THAT IS KEPT WITHIN A RANGE AND THAT CAN BE DETERMINED BEFORE WE GET TO FIRST READING.

IT CAN BE DETERMINED THROUGHOUT THE PROCESS. THIS IS A FAIRLY NEW CHANGE TO THE PLAN. WE'RE STILL WORKING IN THAT BUT I DO WANT TO MAKE THAT MENTIONED IT WE'RE WILLING TO COMMIT TO A NUMBER BUT WE'RE NOT JUST STANDING HERE SAYING WE'RE GOING TO DO WORKFORCE HOUSING TRUST US. I MEAN IT'S ON ON VIDEO YOU'RE AT 20% THAT'S 20% OF THE UNITS WE MAY DETERMINE AND YOU KNOW, HAVE BEEN TOLD TO LOOK TOWARDS MAYBE THE BEAUFORT JASPER HOUSING TRUST. I HAVE A CALL IN TO THEIR DIRECTOR. I'VE NOT BEEN ABLE TO TOUCH BASE WITH HER.

I'VE JUST I WAS JUST GETTING HER CONTACT THURSDAY LAST WEEK AND COURSE FRIDAY AND MONDAY SO I WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO WORK WITH SOME PARTNERS TO DEVELOP SOME OF THAT AND MAKE THAT HAPPEN YEAH MY IS BASED ON INCOME CORRECT AND THERE'S A QUESTION OF HOW WE'RE MEASURING THAT WHETHER IT'S YOU KNOW BOTH INDIVIDUALS IN THE IN THE HOUSEHOLD AND THEN HOW THAT'S DONE AND HOW WE'RE HOW WE'RE GOING TO MEASURE THAT AGAINST INTEREST RATES AND AFFORDABILITY. AND SO I DON'T I'M NOT AN EXPERT ON THAT AND I DON'T THINK BUT WE'RE CERTAINLY WILLING TO ANSWER QUESTIONS AND HAPPY TO ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS AND TIE IT TO SPECIFICS LIKE THAT. AND I THINK THAT IT'S VERY IMPORTANT AND AND MARCH RIGHT. HE'S BEEN 100% STRAIGHT WITH US THAT NO AMENDMENTS AND I WILL POINT OUT THAT WE HEARD ABOUT NEYLON AND THAT'S TRUE THAT'S THE OLD WAY THAT'S THE BEAUTY.

THAT'S WHERE THE DEVELOPERS CAME IN AND SAID JUST GIVE ME A REZONING OF THIS YOU KNOW THIS AREA AND THAT'S WHERE IT HAPPENED. BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IF YOU WANT TO PUT NO AMENDMENTS IN THERE AS FAR AS DEVELOPMENT THAT CAN BE DONE AND THERE'S A WAY TO PROTECT AGAINST THAT. SO I WOULD JUST POINT OUT THAT THAT IS NOT THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR AND THAT'S NOT WHERE WE'RE HEADED.

ANY ANY QUICK QUESTIONS BEFORE ? YES.

ONCE YOU GET TO THEM I KNOW 80 UNITS OUT OF 400 DOESN'T SEEM SUFFICIENT FOR ME TO WORK WITH HOUSING SO I HOPE THAT'S NOT YOUR FINAL OFFER. WELL, I DIDN'T KNOW THAT WE WERE GOING TO NEGOTIATE BUT I KNOW I DIDN'T KNOW THAT WE HAVE TIME AHEAD OF US.

SURE IT DOESN'T SEEM TO ME TO BE SUFFICIENT FOR WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO BECAUSE THAT'S THE FIRST PRIORITY FOR US WAS AND SO WHEN YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT A NUMBER I'M NOT SURE IS SUFFICIENT. THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY. YOU DON'T HAVE TO YOU DON'T HAVE TO OFFER 150 HERE. YOU'RE SAYING THAT IT'S NICE BUT I DON'T THINK THAT THAT'S A SUFFICIENT NUMBER. THAT'S ONE. SO WE HAVE SOME CHOICES WE CAN MOVE IT FORWARD TO FULL COUNCIL OR WE OR WE CAN TAKE A VOTE TO NOT VOTE FOR THE REZONING OR WE CAN POSTPONE A SEE THOSE ARE RIGHT NOW WE DON'T EVEN HAVE A MOTION WE HAVE NOTHING AT THIS POINT SO THOSE ARE THE THREE CHOICES I PERSONALLY COME FORWARD TO HEAR MORE ABOUT IT.

YES. AND I'M GOING TO MAKE THE MOTION TO MOVE THIS FORWARD TWO COUNTS OF SECOND DOWN. OKAY. WE HAVE A SECOND BY COUNCILMAN BARTHOLOMEW AND A MOTION BY CHAIRMAN PASS SUBMIT ANY DISCUSSION I JUST WOULD ASK FOR A ROLL. WE WILL DEFINITELY A POINT. I MEAN WE LITERALLY HAVE THE FULL COUNCIL HERE EXCEPT MR. GLOVER. OKAY, THAT WOULD BE VOTE.

SO I MEAN WE'RE SIMPLY KICKING THE CAN DOWN THE ROAD NO WE'LL JUST MOVE IT IT'S GOING TO GO TO COUNCIL. I STAND BY. OKAY.

IT HAS TO GO TO COUNCIL WHETHER IT'S REJECTED I UNDERSTAND THAT AT THIS POINT WE WILL DO A ROLE. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION GOING TO DO ROLE? I JUST WANT TO SAY, YOU KNOW, I HEAR SOME OF THE CONCERNS I TO HEAR MORE ABOUT THOSE BUT I'M LIKE AND WHAT I'M HEARING SO FAR AND I THINK WE CAN FIND A WAY IF THEY'RE WILLING TO WORK WITH EVERYBODY I WOULDN'T I WOULD LIKE TO LET THE APPLICANT KNOW THAT I ENCOURAGED ALL THE COUNCIL MEMBERS TO AT THE MEETING AND I KNOW SEVERAL OF THEM DID AND I ALSO ENCOURAGE THEM TO LOOK AT THE SPIRIT BECAUSE IT IS COMPLEX AND THEY'RE PROBABLY GOING TO HAVE MORE QUESTIONS FOR STAFF NO MATTER WHAT HAPPENS RIGHT NOW IF I COULD JUST MAKE A STATEMENT TO MR. BARTHOLOMEW I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. IT DOES LOOK GOOD BUT IF I WAS TO BRING THIS UP ON THE PARKWAY WE'VE HAD A LOT OF MAD PEOPLE IN HERE 30 MINUTES AGO OR IN BLUFFTON OR BLUFFTON. WHAT CAN I ASK YOU A QUESTION AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION? SO I LISTENED TO BOTH OF THEM. DID YOU PROPOSE THAT 20% AFFORDABLE HOUSING DURING THAT AND I MISSED IT? NO, MA'AM. SO THAT'S A NEW THROW IN PIECE

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OKAY. OKAY. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE MS. INTO THE POINT ABOUT STAFF I MEAN WE WE WILL MEET WITH STAFF AND I THINK PART OF GETTING IT TO COUNCIL IS OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE TO BE PREPARED AND WE HAVE TO GIVE SPECIFICS AT READING BECAUSE THAT'S OBVIOUSLY A BIG, BIG VOTE. SO THAT'S WHERE I THINK WE WORK WITH MR. MCKELLAN ON SOME OF THOSE DETAILS SO THAT WE CAN GET THE DETAILS THAT MIGHT BE HELPFUL. YEAH. OKAY.

SO MOTIONS BEEN MADE THE SECOND WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A ROLL CALL VOTE AND END TO VOTE IN THE POSITIVE MEANS WILL MOVE IT UP TO TO MOVE IT UP TO FULL COUNCIL FOR FIRST READING CHEERING PRESIDENT YES COUNCIL MEMBER BARTHOLOMEW YES GOOD COUNCIL MEMBER HAVING NO COUNCIL MEMBER RATES NO COUNCILMEMBER LAWSON. MARK LAWSON YES TO MOVE IT TO FULL COUNCIL COUNCILMEMBER YES TO MOVE IT TO FULL COUNCIL COUNCILMEMBER DAWSON YOU KNOW COUNCILMEMBER CUNNINGHAM NOW COUNCILMEMBER BROWN NO IS VICE CHAIR YES IT'S FIVE FIVE MOTION FAILS SO LET'S GO ON TO COUNCIL. OKAY.

IT STILL MOVES TO TEN IS THAT RIGHT? I'M WITH THE WITH NO RECOMMENDATION NO RECOMMENDATION TO DENY RECOMMEND NOT RECOMMEND NOT WORKING IS RECOMMENDATION TONIGHT IT FAILS CORRECT BUT IT MOVES FORWARD IN USEFUL OKAY

[11. RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF AN ORDINANCE ADOPTING AMENDMENTS TO CH 38. ARTICLE II. TRASH AND LITTER CONTROL OF THE BEAUFORT COUNTY CODE OF ORDINANCES (FISCAL IMPACT: There is no fiscal impact) ]

OKAY. YEAH. MM HMM.

SO I ALWAYS LOVE TO READ THESE BECAUSE I LEARN NEW THINGS WHATEVER OF SIMPLE WASTERS AND RANK VEGETATION. BUT HERE'S MY QUESTION IT'S A BIG LONG THING HOW DO WE NOTIFY RESIDENTS OF THESE CHANGES AND THE FACT THAT WE ARE INCREASING THE FINE COULD GO UP TO HUNDRED DOLLARS. I MEAN I THINK WE GOT TO TELL RESIDENTS HOW DO WE DO THAT WHEN IT'S SO MUCH LANGUAGE? SURE. SO I'LL GO THROUGH IT QUICKLY AS I CAN. OUR PROCESS FOR ENFORCEMENT MULTI-LAYERED THE FIRST THING THAT WE DO IS ENFORCEMENT EMPLOYEES IS WE NOTIFY THE CUSTOMER ABOUT THE ISSUE AND WE HELP THEM FIND A SOLUTION TO CURE IT. WE DON'T JUST AUTOMATICALLY TICKETS AND TAKE PEOPLE TO COURT. SO THE FIRST PORTION OF WHAT WE DO IN CODE ENFORCEMENT IS EDUCATION AND MORE EDUCATION. SO AS THIS GOES OUT OBVIOUSLY IS A PUBLIC MEETING IT'S OUT THERE BUT INDIVIDUALS WILL BE GIVEN THE OPPORTUNITY TO CURE THIS AS PART OF A NOTIFICATION PROCESS BEFORE WE SAY PENALTIES THE PENALTY ACTUALLY DEFINED BY SOUTH CAROLINA CODE OF LAWS AND WE'RE JUST MAKING THE MATCH IS THIS HAS NOT BEEN UPDATED SINCE 1982 OKAY. SO IT'S A LITTLE OUTDATED. YEAH.

YES OH, QUICKLY. YES. I'M SORRY.

NO, WE GOT TO GIVE IT AS FAR AS CODE ENFORCEMENT ENTERING PROPERTY, IS THERE A COURT ORDER TO DO SO OR HOW DOES THAT WHEN DOES THAT COME INTO PLAY? NO.

SO THAT FALLS UNDER SEARCH AND SEIZURE LAWS. TYPICALLY WHAT WE DO IS IF WE CAN IT FROM THE PUBLIC WAY THE PLAINTIFFS USED A PLAIN THAT'S RIGHT IN THE WAY WE VIEW THAT THE WAY WE'RE TRAINED TO DO THAT IS WE CAN GO WHEREVER THE UPS GUY SO IF THERE'S A PATHWAY TO THE FRONT DOOR WE CAN GO TO THE FRONT DOOR WE CAN KNOCK ON THE FRONT DOOR WE CANNOT PEER THROUGH WINDOWS WE CAN'T GO OVER AROUND FENCES OR ON THE NEIGHBORS.

SECOND FLOOR DECK ALL SEARCH AND SEIZURE LAWS APPLY TO EVERYTHING THAT WE UNDER THE CONSTITUTION AND WE DO NOT VIOLATE TERMS OF MY QUESTION THAT OKAY WITHOUT OBJECTION THIS WILL GO FORWARD ALL RIGHT WE HAVE TO HAVE A MOTION TO GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION.

[EXECUTIVE SESSION ]

[01:45:02]

[14. MATTERS ARISING OUT OF EXECUTIVE SESSION ]

OH, NO, YOU DON'T NEED TO TAKE A ROLL IN. JUST OBJECTION.

OBJECTION ONE OBJECTION THAT IS SO NOTED BY COUNCILMAN CUNNINGHAM.

I WILL GO FORWARD TO FULL COUNCIL. THANK YOU.

WE ARE ADJOURNED. THANK YOU ABOUT OH FIVE GENERAL.

WHEN YOU WANT TO COME BACK IT'LL PROBABLY TAKE US 5 MINUTES TO CHANGE OVER EVERYTHING. YE

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.