Sep 07, 2023 Planning Commission

[1. CALL TO ORDER]

[4. APPROVAL OF MINUTES – August 7, 2023 ]

[5. APPROVAL OF AGENDA]

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I'M GOING TO CALL THIS MEETING ORDER AT 6:00 PLEASE. STANDING JOHNNY WITH THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG THIS IS WHERE IT STAYS ONE NATION UNDER GOD INDIVISIBLE JUSTICE FOR ALL . RON THANK YOU.

EXCUSE ME. THESE ARE FOR ME YOU IF THEY YOUR SHINE THE BECAUSE I'M SO NERVOUS THERE YOU GO. ALL RIGHT. PUBLIC NOTIFICATION FOR THE HAS BEEN PUBLISHED. WE HAVE THE FIRST ORDER OF BUSINESS WOULD BE APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES FOR AUGUST 7TH AND ARE THERE ANY COMMENTS, QUESTIONS, ADDITIONS DELETIONS ALL THE ABOUT THE MINUTES AS WRITTEN? OKAY.

SO AGAIN ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION EXCEPT THE MINUTES OF AUGUST SEVENTH I I.

OKAY ANY COMMENTS REGARDING THE AGENDA NO. YOU THINK CITIZEN COMMENTS AT THIS TIME WE TAKE CITIZEN COMMENTS ON NON AGENDA ITEMS ANYBODY WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK FOR MINUTES ON A NON AGENDA ITEM. THIS WOULD BE THE TIME TO DO OKAY GARY NONE.

I'LL MOVE FORWARD ONE COMMENT BEFORE WE GO TO THE FIRST ISSUE CONCERNING PUBLIC COMMENTS INSTRUCTION AS HAS BEEN INDICATED PLEASE SUBMIT YOUR REQUEST TO THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT SECRETARY WHO IS TO MY LEFT SHE JUST STEPPED OUT BE YOU RIGHT BACK AND THEN YOU'LL BE ALLOWED 3 MINUTES TO SPEAK MRS. WHILE RESPECTFULLY LISTEN TO YOUR COMMENTS AT THE PODIUM PLEASE CLEARLY STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE PUBLIC RECORD

[7. ZONING MAP AMENDMENT/REZONING REQUEST FOR 57 ACRES (R200 004 000 0301 0000, R200 004 000 0302 0000, R200 004 000 0300 0000, R200 004 000 0063 0000) LOCATED AT 1, 2, 3, 4 BENNETT POINT DRIVE FROM PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT (PUD) TO T2 RURAL (T2R).]

THIS PUBLIC MEETING IS RECORDED AND THEREFORE IT BECOMES A MATTER OF PUBLIC RECORD AND SAYS ALL CORRESPONDENCE ON THIS ISSUE DIRECTED TO COUNTY OFFICIALS PLEASE TRY TO AVOID REPEATING COMMENTS ALREADY OFFERED. I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY COMMENTS WE HAVE BUT WE ARE GOING TO TRY TO GO THROUGH ALL OF THEM. PLEASE PLACE YOUR CELL PHONES ON SILENT MODE IF YOU NEED TO SPEAK TO WITH THE CALLER PLEASE STEP OUTSIDE THE ROOM.

THIS IS A REMINDER THE PLANNING COMMISSION IS AN ADVISORY BODY TO COUNCIL AND AS SUCH THE PLANNING COMMISSION ON THESE ISSUES GO FORWARD TO COUNTY COUNCIL THROUGH THE LAND USE AND COMMUNITY SERVICES COMMITTEE AND THEN TO COUNTY COUNCIL FOR THEIR REVIEW AND VOTING DETERMINATION SO THE PUBLIC PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMENDATION IS A STEP AND THE REVIEW PROCESS AND VOTING DETERMINATION BY COUNTY COUNCIL .

WITH THAT SAID, LET'S GET TO THE ACTION ITEMS ON THE AGENDA ACTION ITEM NUMBER SEVEN ZONING MAP AMENDMENT REZONING REQUEST FOR 57 ACRES AT 1234 BULLET POINT DRIVE FROM PLAN UNIT DEVELOPMENT TO PD IP 222 ARE RURAL AREAS I'M GOING TO BE OVER HERE.

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FROM APD AND WOULD YOU MIND STEPPING UP TO THE PODIUM BECAUSE I HAD A HARD TIME HEARING YOU IF YOU DON'T MIND MAYBE OVER THE AUDIENCE. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU SO MUCH. I'M KIND OF FAMILIAR WITH THIS ONE BUT I'LL DO MY BEST TO ANSWER QUESTIONS. WELL I THINK I MEAN IN OUR YOU KNOW, I THINK YOU DIDN'T ANSWER THE QUESTIONS BUT JUST FOR PEOPLE WHO MIGHT BE WATCHING ON THE OC ON THIS IS A BEAUTY THAT WAS PUT INTO PLACE 1983 IT GOES BACK I MEAN I THINK THE APPLICANTS YEAH YEAH TO ANSWER THIS QUESTION YEAH I THINK IT'S AN OLD OLD BUT I THINK IT GOES BACK TO 2004 YEAH IT WAS IN THE DOCUMENTS THAT WE WERE PRESENTED RIGHT SO THE EASEMENT GOES BACK TO 2003 THREE.

YEAH RIGHT 24TH DAY OF DECEMBER 2003 TWO MILE HIGH SOUTH CAROLINA LLC IN FLORIDA.

GOT IT. SO I MEAN IF YOU COULD JUST WALK US THROUGH WHY THIS GROUP WANTS TO DOWN ZONE. I THINK IT'S A GREAT RIGHT DOWN HERE WELL THEY'RE HERE AND THEY CAN WALK. THANK SO MUCH. OH WELL I MEAN I WASN'T THAT THEY WERE EVEN HERE. YEAH. HI.

MY NAME IS GREG BENNETT. THAT'S THE NAME OF THE ROAD AND POINT ROAD.

OKAY, GREAT. YEAH. LIVE ON BENNETT POINT ROAD.

OKAY. SUPERB. VERY ORIGINAL NAME.

YEAH. THANKS SO MUCH. YEAH.

SO IN 2003 GENTLEMAN THAT OWN TWO MILE HIGH LLC PURCHASED THE BALANCE OF PLEASANT POINTE PLANTATION WHICH WAS KNOWN THE TEXAS TRACK 57 ACRES. IT WASN'T A PUDI AT THAT TIME HE PLACED A CONSERVATION EASEMENT ON IT AND HE TURNED THIS CONSERVATION EASEMENT OVER TO THE LAND YES SO THE DENSITY WAS REDUCED FROM 178 UNITS DOWN TO A TOTAL OF FOUR UNITS ONE RESIDENTIAL HOME ON EACH ONE OF THE FOUR PARCELS, 21 ACRE PARCELS AND 1617 ACRE PARCEL POSING. THOSE IMPORTANT PLANTATION PROPERTY OWNERS ASSOCIATION IN 2005 EFFECTIVELY ANNEXED THAT PORTION WHICH KNOWN AS THE TEXAS TRACK OUT OF PLEASANT POINT BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY IT WAS BRINGING ANY FINANCIAL BENEFIT TO PLEASANT POINT PLANTATION HE SAID GUYS AND WE HAVE A LETTER FROM THEM AND THEN WE HAD ALSO ACKNOWLEDGED RECEIPT OF THAT LETTER AND THAT WE WERE IN COMPLETE AGREEMENT WITH ANNEXED OUT THE ZONING OF PUDI IS REALLY NOT RELEVANT TO THESE LARGE TRACTS OF LAND IT'S MORE CONDUCIVE TO T TO RURAL THE WAY THE CONSERVATION EASEMENT IS STRUCTURED IT ALLOWS FOR A HOME ANCILLARY BUILDINGS LET'S SAY A STABLE FOR EXAMPLE ON A PROPERTY WHERE PUDI WOULD NOT ALLOW FOR THAT.

SO IN 2003 THERE WAS NEVER A CLEANING UP IF YOU WILL, OF THE CONSERVATION EASEMENT AND EXISTING ZONING. AND SO WHAT WE'RE ALL WE'RE TRYING TO DO AT THIS POINT IN AFTER ALL THESE YEARS IS JUST CLEAN IT UP. SO IT'S APPLICABLE TO THE LAND AT THE HOMES ARE ON OKAY THERE'S NO PLAN TO PUT MORE DEVELOPMENT I THINK TEACH YOU ARE ALLOWED YOU ONE FOR EVERY THREE ACRES BUT YOU'RE YOU'RE GUIDED BY THE WHEEL YOU ARE REGULATED BY THE CONSERVATION EASEMENT YEAH SO THERE WILL ONLY EVER BE ONE RESIDENTIAL

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SO FOR HOUSES ON 57 ACRES SO THAT'S FOR SINGLE AT 6000 SQUARE FEET.

I MEAN THAT'S WHAT I'M LOOKING AT WELL YEAH I MEAN IF SOMEBODY WANTED TO BUILD 6000 SQUARE FEET YEAH THAT'S PRETTY AGGRESSIVE. AND DO YOU HAVE ANY DOCUMENTATION FROM THE COUNTY OPEN INTEREST? I'M SORRY I IT'S RIGHT THERE.

IT'S PROBABLY THROUGH IT. IT WAS ACTUALLY ATTACHED TO THE PACKARD A WEEK BEGINNING ON ONE OF 14 AND THIS 14 PAGE DOCUMENT AND THE OPEN LAND TRUST IS ON WITH THE REZONING WE MET WITH EVERYBODY THERE AND THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO SEND THE LETTER OVER BUT I DO BELIEVE MOST OF PLACED WITH COUNTY THAT THEY WERE ON BOARD WITH REZONING ALONG WITH IT BUT GET FURTHER

[8. OSPREY POINT (MALIND BLUFF) PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT (PUD) MASTER PLAN AMENDMENT TO 17.2 ACRES (R600 013 000 0495 0000) TO REPLACE 207,700 SQUARE FEET OF COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT WITH 228 MULTI-FAMILY UNITS AND 20,000 SQUARE FEET OF COMMERCIAL; APPLICANT: ROBERT DEEB]

ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY. CAN I HAVE A MOTION FOR RECOMMENDING ZONING MAP AMENDMENT REZONING REQUEST? MR. CHAIRMAN, BE HAPPY TO MAKE A MOTION OR A MOVE THAT. WE RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE REZONING OF THE 57 ACRES LOCATED AT ONE, TWO, THREE AND FOUR BENNETT POINTE DRIVE FROM PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT TO TWO TWO RURAL BASED ON THE ZONING MAP AMENDMENT REVIEW STANDARDS AND THE TESTIMONY THAT WE HEARD THIS EVENING. WELL AS THE DOCUMENTATION IN THE STAFF REPORT I SECOND A MOTION IN THE SECOND RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL FOLLOWS IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION IS YOUR HAD A UNANIMOUS DONE THANK YOU ALL RIGHT LET'S GO FORWARD TO ITEM ACTION ITEM NUMBER EIGHT USPI POINT OF PLAN UNIT DEVELOPMENT MASTER PLAN AMENDMENT REQUEST YES.

YES. GOOD EVENING. SO THIS PARTICULAR ITEM I'M GOING TO KIND OF GO BACK A LITTLE BIT IN HISTORY I KNOW SOME OF YOU WERE HERE, SOME OF YOU WEREN'T I THINK IT BEST TO START THERE BUT IN JANUARY OF 2021.

THIS CAME BEFORE ALL AS A REQUEST TO RESUME PORTION OR PARCEL AT THAT MEETING THERE'S A LOT OF DISCUSSION. A LOT OF PEOPLE FROM MY OWN LIFE SHOWED UP WHILE RECOMMENDED AND ALL TO COUNSEL AT COUNCIL KIND OF GOT HIT IN COMMITTEE A LITTLE BIT AND THE APPLICANT KIND OF PULLED IT AND IT'S BEEN KIND OF LAYING IN LIMBO SINCE SO THEY HAVE KIND OF BROUGHT IT BACK TO AND THAT'S WHAT'S BROUGHT US HERE TONIGHT.

SO THAT'S A LITTLE BIT OF THE HISTORY THAT YOU ALL HAVE SEEN THIS I DON'T WANT YOU TO THINK THAT CAN NEVER REALLY MOVE FORWARD AND IT JUST KIND OF STAYED THERE.

BUT WHEN THEY WERE REDOING IT AND LOOKING AT IT AND SOME OF THE REVISIONS IT WAS DECIDED TO GO AHEAD AND PULL IT BACK AND BRING IT BACK TO PLANNING COMMISSION STAFF AND ALSO CONSIDERATION AND RECOMMENDATION AND BACK TO COUNCIL CONSIDERING SOME OF THE AMENDMENTS THAT THEY MADE. THE PREVIOUS ONE THAT YOU ALL SAW TO THIS PARTICULAR APPLICATION REQUEST THAT THEY HAVE SUBMITTED TO ALTMAN THAT'S WHAT WE'RE HERE TO DISCUSS IS THAT NEW APPLICATION I GUESS SO CURRENTLY THE EXISTING PLANNED DEVELOPMENT UP FRONT YOU AND YOUR EXISTING MASTER PLAN ON THE LEFT IS WHAT THE EXISTING KIND OF MASTER PLAN CONCEPTUAL MASTER PLAN CALLS FOR FOR PARTICULAR DEVELOPMENT OF THAT PARCEL.

WHAT YOU SEE ON RIGHT IS WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING TO CHANGE IT .

SO FROM A SITE PLAN YOU CAN KIND OF SEE A VISUAL THERE WHAT THAT EQUATES TO IS ON THAT FRONT ONE THAT'S ESSENTIALLY A LARGE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT OF 207,000 PLUS OR MINUS SQUARE FEET ON THE RIGHT ONE WHERE YOU SEE IT AS MASTER PLAN YOU'LL SEE A BUNCH OF BROWN BUILDINGS PROPOSED TO BE APARTMENT BUILDINGS AND THE VERY TOP YOU'LL SEE SOMETHING THAT I LIVE IN A PINK THAT'S A COMMERCIAL COMPONENT THAT'S 20,000 SQUARE I BELIEVE THE LAST RENDITION THAT WAS BROUGHT TO YOU DIDN'T HAVE COMMERCIAL OR HAD A VERY SMALL PORTION

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SO THEY COME IN THEIR REQUESTS THOSE I CAN'T SAY THAT'S WHAT I SEE GOING ON HERE BUT THAT'S CERTAINLY KNOW THAT THIS IS I BELIEVE FOURTH MAJOR AMENDMENT REQUEST TO THIS PART AND THIS DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT I WANT TO MAKE THAT VERY CLEAR THAT THAT'S WHERE WE ARE ON THIS AND THE USE OF PARTIES AND USE OF DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENTS BECAUSE OF THESE ACTIONS ARE NO LONGER ALLOWED YOU DON'T DO IT . I JUST WANT TO KIND OF STATE THAT FROM A PROFESSIONAL SITUATION. I'VE DEALT WITH THIS TOO LONG.

SO IN THAT I'LL I'LL COME BACK TO THEM OKAY. KNOW AND WE DO HAVE OUR TRANSPORTATION PLANNER HERE TONIGHT TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE THAT AS WELL. BUT ESSENTIALLY WHETHER AND THE APPLICANT HERE I'M GOING ALLOW THE APPLICANT TO COME FORWARD TO KIND OF TELL YOU WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING BUT IT'S ESSENTIALLY A MIX OF MARKET RATE AND AFFORDABLE MULTIFAMILY DWELLING UNITS IS WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING IN THEIR PLAN TO ACHIEVE THAT YOU WOULD USE THE EXISTING PLAN DEVELOPMENT AND THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT SO YOU HAVE THE TOOLS THERE TO LOCK IT IN ONE TO MAKE SURE THERE'S NO THERE'S NO ISSUE OF NOT LOCKING THIS. SO IF THE COUNTY IS INCLINED TO DO THIS TOOLS TO REQUIRE THIS I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS THAT'S ALL THAT WE HAVE IN PLACE. I KNOW. YEAH.

OKAY. WE DO HAVE SOMEBODY FROM THE SCHOOL.

WE DID GET A LETTER AND I THINK WE FORWARDED THAT LETTER FROM THE SCHOOL DISTRICT.

YES. SO I'M JUST GOING TO GO AHEAD AND READ I RARELY READ STRAIGHT FROM STAFF BUT REPORTS BUT IF THAT'S WHAT WANT I'LL GO AHEAD I'M GOING TO ASK RECOMMENDATION SURE. AS PERSONS TO STAY IN THE HISTORY SECTION OF THIS REPORT THE APPLICANT A REQUEST TO AMEND THE PIED MASTER PLAN THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT SEVERAL TIMES SINCE THE ORIGINAL US ADOPTED OSPREY POINT PLAN DEVELOPMENT.

UNFORTUNATELY THIS PRACTICE IS NOT UNCOMMON AND CAN OFTEN LEAD TO STRAYING FROM THE ORIGINAL INTENT OF WHY GOVERNMENT JURISDICTION AGREED UPON GREEN IN FIRST PLACE AS A PART OF THE ORIGINAL INTENT OF THE OSPREY POINT PLAN DEVELOPMENT AFFORDABLE HOUSING WAS A COMPONENT THAT'S IMPORTANT WAS ONE OF THE ORIGINAL CONCEPTS. HOWEVER IT WAS PROVIDED THROUGH A MIX OF HOUSING TYPES INCLUDING TOWNHOMES. OFTENTIMES THESE LEAD TO OWNERSHIP OPPORTUNITY. SEE SIMPLE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT DOESN'T MEAN THAT YOU HAVE MORE

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THE DOCUMENTS AND DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT STAFF ALSO SUGGEST THAT THIS BE PART OF THE DEED TO THE PROPERTY AS THREE POINT NOW ONE ASPECT OF THE EXISTING ACT 4.5 REQUIRES DEVELOPER TO DEDICATE A HALF ACRE PARCEL FOR PUBLIC SAFETY. THIS IS IN THE EXISTING AGREEMENT. THIS WAS WHEN THEY AMENDED IT LAST TIME THIS WAS PART OF THE CONTRACT. THE AMENDED MASTER PLAN DOES NOT SHOW ANY LAND DEDICATED FOR USE IF THE COUNTY NO LONGER BELIEVES THE USE FOR THE HALF ACRE IS THEN THE COUNTY SHOULD RECONSIDER A DIFFERENT PUBLIC USE AND THE COUNTY MAY RENEGOTIATE EIGHT THE SIZE OF THE LAND TO BE DEDICATED TO THE EXISTING DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT ONE THE EXISTING DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT REQUIRES 207,070 SQUARE FEET OF COMMERCIAL.

THE APPLICANT PROPOSED AMENDING TO 20,000 SQUARE FEET OF COMMERCIAL THIS ISSUE AND CONCERN WAS BROUGHT UP WHEN THIS ITEM WAS REVIEWED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION IN NATURAL RESOURCE COMMITTEE IN 2022. IF THE COUNTY SUPPORTS THIS SIGNIFICANT REDUCTION IN COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT SHALL REQUIRE THE COMPLETION OF THE ENTIRE 20,000 SQUARE FEET OF COMMERCIAL PRIOR TO THE COMPLETION OF THE VERY FIRST APARTMENT BUILDING IT'S VERY IMPORTANT EXISTING TRAFFIC ANALYSIS SHALL BE UPDATED IN ITS ENTIRETY TO REFLECT THE PROPOSED NEW USES AND EXISTING ROADWAY CONDITIONS.

IT SHOULD BE DONE AS A PART OF THE AMENDMENT. THE APPLICANT SHALL CONTINUE WORK WITH STAFF TO FURTHER REFINE THE MASTER PLAN IN PART AND SHALL BE IN SHALL BE AMENDED TO INCLUDE ALL DEVELOPMENT AND DESIGN STANDARDS AND CODIFY FORM WHICH WILL REQUIRE THE DESIGN ELEMENTS AS SHOWN IN THE CONCEPT MASTER THOSE ARE AT MINIMUMS. OKAY I'M GOING TO TURN IT OVER TO THE APPLICANT AND ONCE GUYS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS WE'LL HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS FOR YOU. I KNOW THE ZONING IS PDR THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FUTURE LAND USE MAP. AM I CORRECT IN ASSUMING THIS IS STILL IDENTIFIED AS KIND OF IN THAT VILLAGE? NO AREA VILLAGE PLACE TYPE KIND OF MODE OF WITHIN THE PD. WHAT'S THE THE WAY THAT THE MASTER PLAN HAS IN TERMS OF LOCKING IN, IF YOU WILL FORM PATTERN OF DEVELOPMENT THAT THEY'RE PROPOSING? I KNOW IT'S SHOWING HERE'S A BLOCK FOR COMMERCIAL BLOCKS OR MULTIFAMILY.

SO THAT WOULD BE PART OF PART OF RECOMMENDATION RIGHT NOW YOU'VE KIND OF GOT THE PICTURE THERE OF WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING AND THEN THERE WOULD HAVE BE REQUIREMENTS OR AMENDMENTS TO THE HUD DOCUMENTS THAT WOULD VERY MUCH OUTLINE THE DESIGN AND DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS IN WORD FORM MATCHES THAT PICTURE I KNOW IN THE LAST REQUEST THAT CAME FORWARD WHEN THIS WAS CHANGED WAS DISCUSSION ABOUT AMENDMENTS TO THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT TO ESSENTIALLY PUT IN PLACE THE NEW DESIGN STANDARDS THAT THE DEVELOPMENT CODE NOW HAS.

WAS THAT SOMETHING THAT HAPPENED? YEAH.

YES YOU KNOW THERE'S BEEN A COUPLE RENDITIONS THIS PLAN BUT THE MAINLY KIND OF HAVING BUILDINGS LIKE FRONT ALONG THE STREET KIND OF HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE OF A DESIGN FROM A DESIGN STANDPOINT OF THE WAY THE ROADS ARE DESIGNED LARGE PARKING AREA IS HOW THE LAYOUT WAS. THERE WAS SOME CONVERSATION OF KIND OF LINK IN THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT CODE REQUIREMENTS FOR MORE ELEMENT AND THOSE REQUIREMENTS WOULD ALSO BE PULLED THE PD IN RELATIONSHIP AS IT RELATES TO YOUR MASTER THAT WOULD BE IMPORTANT BECAUSE THESE THINGS NEVER REALLY REGULATORY IN NATURE.

IT'S THE PUNDITS, THE THAT'S YOUR LAND USE LAW THAT'S WHAT'S AS WELL AS THE DEVELOPMENT AND THESE THINGS ARE NOTHING FLUFF AND USUALLY AT THE BOTTOM IT SAYS SOMETHING ALONG THE LINES

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YEAH. SO SOME OF THE PREVIOUS POTENTIALLY IF YOU KIND OF LOOK BACK AND YOU CAN SEE THE EXISTING YEAH EXACTLY. IT HAS SHRUNK DOWN TO THE 17 ACRES SO THERE WAS AN ORIGINAL AMOUNT THAT IF YOU KIND OF GO WHERE IT'S ALL SINGLE FAMILY FROM THAT AMENDMENT THAT WAS MADE ALLOWED MOST OF THE PEOPLE BEHIND ME TO LIVE THERE A LOT OF THAT WAS ORIGINALLY SOME TOWNHOUSE LOTS FEE SIMPLE TOWNHOUSE LOTS IN COMBINATION SOME MULTIFAMILY FRONT AND THEN SOME OF THE SINGLE FAMILIES ARE THE ORIGINAL ADOPTED MASTER PLANS. THANK YOU BUT ONE QUICK QUESTION.

SURE. PAGE THREE OF FOUR THE BULLET POINT AROUND AFFORDABLE HOUSING THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING UNITS SHALL AT A MINIMUM SHORT AMOUNT TO MEET THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING REQUIREMENTS FOUND IN ARTICLE FOUR SECTION 4.1 BLAH BLAH THE PERIOD OF AFFORDABILITY SHALL BE NO LESS THAN 30 YEARS AM I AM I THINKING THAT IT USED TO BE 15 YEARS? IS THAT CHANGE OR IS IT ALWAYS BEEN 30 YEARS? IT'S NOT SO SO THIS COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT CODE HAS SOME GUIDING DOCUMENTS ON AFFORDABLE AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND I BELIEVE THERE THERE'S SOME DIFFERENT ONES ABOUT WHETHER IT'S FOR RENT OR FOR NOT FOR RENT. THERE'S DIFFERENT STANDARDS ON AM I IN THE PERIODS OF AFFORDABILITY. BUT BEING THAT THIS IS A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT PLAN, DEVELOPMENTS BY STATE ARE SUPPOSED TO GO ABOVE AND BEYOND MINIMUM STANDARDS.

OTHERWISE YOU WERE VIOLATING STATE LAW SO WE BELIEVE THAT BEING THAT OUR EXISTING COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT CODE IS CALLING OUT I BELIEVE IT'S A PERIOD I DON'T WANT TO SAY THIS RIGHT BUT I BRING AS I'M LOOKING AT 20 TO 25 YEARS 20 AND THERE MIGHT BE DIFFERENT STANDARDS FOR RENTAL NON RENTAL WE BELIEVE THAT THESE SHOULD BE AT LEAST 30 FOR MEANINGFUL ONE THING ONE THAT PERIOD AS WELL AS ALL OF THEM OTHERWISE IS JUST MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENT JUST COMING IN RIGHT TO YOU'RE SAYING THAT UNDER THE PD NOT LESS THAN 30 YEARS.

RIGHT AND GOING IF THE PARTY CHANGES IS THAT 30 YEAR WINDOW MORE OR LESS WILL BE MAINTAINED OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING? I REPHRASE THE QUESTION I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I'M ALL OVER THE PERIOD OF AFFORDABILITY SHALL NO LESS THAN 30 YEARS UNDER THE ORIGINAL STANDARDS THAT THE COUNTY HAS AGREED TO CORRECT NOW THERE IS NOTHING THAT IS AGREED TO RIGHT NOW REGARDING THE PERIOD OF AFFORDABILITY BUT IT'S RECOMMENDATION IS THAT YOU KNOW THIS THIS I'LL SAY THAT THE STAFF DID MEET WITH THE APPLICANT TALK ABOUT PLAN PROVIDED SOME FEEDBACK YOU PROBABLY HEAR BUT WE NEVER REALLY FELT LIKE WE WERE FULLY INVOLVED AND WE DO THINK THAT I MEAN HONESTLY YOU KNOW AND AGAIN BUT THIS GOES BACK TO AFFORDABLE HOUSING FOR EVERYBODY IN THIS ROOM I THINK WOULD AGREE AFFORDABLE HOUSING IS SOMETHING THAT THE COUNTY PLAN AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE KNOW THAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACHIEVE IT REALLY I THINK SOME OF THIS GOES BACK TO AGAIN IT'S JUST THE PRINCIPLE THE MATTER OF DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT AND PLANNED DEVELOPMENT WHAT IS PROMISED AND HOW MANY TIMES DO YOU VEER THE PROMISE OF THE ORIGINAL INTENT OF WHY YOU ENTERED INTO A CONTRACT IN THE FIRST PLACE? SO WHAT'S THE BALANCE OF THAT? WHAT'S THE BALANCE OF WHAT IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE FIRST CHECK IN THE BOX TO GET SOME AFFORDABLE HOUSING STAFF DOESN'T THINK THAT'S THAT RIGHT RIGHT. I SEE YOUR NEXT SENTENCE IS ASPIRATIONAL THIS TO BE CODIFIED IN THE DOCUMENT ALTHOUGH WE'RE TOSSING OUT THE DOCUMENT CORRECT.

NO REVISING IT OR RIGHT. THIS IS A THIS IS A THIS IS A MASTER THIS IS A MASTER.

THIS IS IN REVISING THE DEVELOPMENT OF EXACTLY THE POLICY SAYING THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT SAYING IT'S JUST THEY'RE REQUESTING AMENDMENTS. THOSE DOCUMENTS ALONG WITH THE PROPOSED MASTER THE GUIDING MASTER PLAN JUST OUT OF CURIOSITY.

SO SUPPOSE THIS GOES THROUGH WHO WOULD MONITOR THE SITUATION MAY THE AFFORDABLE 15 YEARS OF STILL IS IT STILL AFFORDABLE IS IT STILL AFFORDABLE 20 YEARS THERE'S AN APPLICANT HERE CAN SPEAK TO THAT BUT YOU A LOT OF THESE THINGS GO THROUGH YOU KNOW IT'S LIKE HUD STUFF AM I

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I'D LIKE TO HEAR FROM THE PEOPLE THAT ARE HERE. OKAY.

REPRESENT SO IS THERE SOMEONE FROM HIS YOU GOING TO ADDRESS THAT THE NEED FOR THE TIA OR TRANSPORTATION IMPACTS AS WELL AS SCHOOL IMPACTS? I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR FROM THEM AS PART OF YOUR RECOMMENDATION OR IS GOING TO DO THIS JUST IN CASE I'M SURE UNLESS YOU WANT HIM HERE WE DID FOR US TO BE ADDED HAVE TWO STAFF MEMBERS HAVE QUESTIONS WITH US? SURE. OKAY. WELL MAIN QUESTION GOING OUT TO THE PODIUM SO THAT'S GREAT IS GOING TO BE COMING UP TO THE PODIUM.

WELL NO HE'S THAT'S FINE. THIS WAS THAT'S WHAT I WAS ASKING.

ALL RIGHT. WELL, YOU CAN YOU CAN PARTICIPATE IF YOU LIKE AS WELL AS KEVIN . HELLO, I'M KEVIN SULLIVAN, BEAUFORT COUNTY ENGINEERING.

WE HANDLE THE TRAFFIC PLANNING ASPECT OF ELEMENTS THE COUNTY IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THE SEQUENCE WOULD BE AND I WOULD SPEAK TO THE TIRE AND ALSO OTHER STAKEHOLDERS HERE WHETHER IT'D BE THE DEVELOPER BY THE PROCESS AND THEY ALSO WILL SPEAK.

OKAY. SO TO SPEAK. YES SURE.

YEAH. SPECIFIC SPECIFIC TO A AMENDMENT OF COURSE AS YOU CAN SEE THAT HAVE INDICATED EFFICIENTLY DOWNSIZING THE COMMERCIAL ENGINE SO A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TYPE OF HOUSING THAT PROPOSING MORE MULTIFAMILY, MORE MULTIFAMILY ETC. SO FROM A TRAFFIC STANDPOINT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT'S GOOD FOR US BECAUSE IT'S LOPEZ IT'S IT'S NOT TRIP HEAVY I'M SORRY YOU SPEAK OH IT'S SORRY TO THAT YEAH I'LL BEND DOWN FOR HIM SO SO BASICALLY FROM OKAY OKAY BASICALLY FROM TRAFFIC STANDPOINT YOU KNOW THE AMENDMENT OF PUD WOULD ACTUALLY SHOW A NET DECREASE IN THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC.

SO YOU KNOW WE DON'T HAVE ANY ISSUE WITH THAT WE ACTUALLY LOOK FAVORABLY UPON THE TRAFFIC MEMO THAT CAME THROUGH FOR THIS PARTICULAR ELEMENT. NOW IF YOU HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS RELATED TO THE COMMENTS THAT WE MAY REFERENCE, I DO OKAY.

YEAH. THE TIRE THAT WAS THAT DOES THIS ALL EVEN THE LAST RECOMMENDATION THAT CAME TO US IN JANUARY 2022 WAS BUILT OFF OF A TIRE WAS RENDERED IN 2019 THAT'S BEFORE COVID AND WE'RE HEARING 23. I WOULD EXPECT AT A MINIMUM THAT THE TIRE WOULD BE UPDATED BASED ON THE CURRENT POPULATION AND NOT WHAT WAS PROJECTED BACK IN 2018. BUT I CAN ASSURE YOU IT'S DIFFERENT.

YES, YES. CORRECT. I KNOW IS THAT BECAUSE I LIVED THROUGH IT AND I'M JUST JUMPING ON THAT IS IN STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION.

I SEE YEAH SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU KNOW WE'RE NOT SAYING THAT THE CHANGE IS ACCEPTABLE WITHOUT KNOWING THAT BUT THE TIE IN SAYS RIGHT WHAT'S MAKING IT EVEN MORE CRITICAL IS THAT THERE'S ANOTHER DEVELOPMENT JUST THE ROAD THAT'S PROPOSING A LOT MORE COMMERCIAL AND SINGLE FAMILY HOMES PUT ALL THAT TOGETHER.

I'D LIKE TO KNOW WHAT THAT IMPACTS GOING TO BE ON TO THE THE ROAD'S FEATURES ROAD MIDLAND BLUFF ROAD I WENT 170 ETC. SO THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING IS THERE SOMEBODY SO A TIE A TIE HAS NOT BEEN UPDATED SINCE 2018 IS THAT CORRECT? YES, THAT'S CORRECT.

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WELL I WOULD HAVE EXPECTED SEE THAT OR HOW EXACTLY THE IMPACT FOR US.

YEAH YEAH AND BEING THAT YOU OPEN THE BOOKS UP ON A PD AND A DAY IT'S ALL FAIR YEAH AND THE FACT THAT IT'S NOT IT'S CONCERN . ALL RIGHT SO ANY OTHER QUESTION ON THE TRANSPORTATION ASPECT OF IT? SO IF NOT THEN WE'LL GO TO THE SCHOOL DISTRICT. DID YOU WOULD YOU LIKE TO OFFER SOME COMMENTS GENTLEMAN THEM BACK THERE SOMEBODY HAS OFFERED TO TALK ABOUT THE CONCERNS AND CONDITIONS OF THE SCHOOL DISTRICT. NO, THERE WAS A LETTER SUBMITTED BY THE SCHOOL DISTRICT. OKAY. SO EVERYBODY IS HEARD FROM THERE SO THERE'S NO WAY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS ABOUT THE SCHOOL DISTRICTS OTHER THAN WITH THE LETTERS THAT'S OKAY. ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS IN THAT REGARD WHICH I DO.

I HAVE A QUESTION. OKAY. I NOTICE THAT THE SCHOOL IS INDICATED OR THE APPLICANT HAS INDICATED THAT THERE IS A ROAD BEING BUILT BACK FROM THE ENVELOPE BACK TO THE SCHOOL OR IT'S IN PROCESS EITHER IN DEVELOPED OR IN PROCESS DEVELOPMENT. NO, NO. OKAY.

SO WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A SCHOOL, A LONG ROAD FROM NAYLAND BLUFF THOSE BACK.

YES. YES THERE IS SO IT'S GOING TO BE HARD FOR ME TO YEAH SO ON THE ON THE POINT RIGHT THERE IS ROAD A YEAH SO THEY ARE LOOKING TO DO CALLED AND THIS IS A PART OF LIKE SOME OF THE ORIGINAL DOCUMENTS OF THE ORIGINAL IN THE ORIGINAL DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT SO THIS IS NOTHING NEW BUT THAT IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THEM TO COME IN AND DO A BUS LOOP THERE TAKING OFF CHERRY POINT THAT'S NEW. WHAT'S NEW HERE IS A BUS ROUTE THAT WOULD TAKE YOU DOWN MAINLAND BLUFF AND ACROSS ROAD ACCESS WAY AND THEN DOWN TO PRITCHARD POINT ROAD THAT WOULD PUT TRAFFIC THROUGH MAINLAND BLUFF ALL THE WAY DOWN TO PURCHASE ROAD AS AN EXIT FOR SCHOOL BUS OR I TAKE IT AS AN ENTRANCE FOR SCHOOL BUSSES I BELIEVE THAT IS THE SCHOOL THAT'S IT. THAT'S THE SCHOOL'S PLAN AND I BELIEVE THEY HAVE KIND OF SUBMITTED BUT IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THAT THAT PLANNING HAS BEEN A PART OF THE DOCUMENT FOR TIME TO THE POINT I DON'T REMEMBER CLOSE TO THAT THEY'VE IN I BELIEVE THAT WAS LIKE THEY EVEN STUBBED IT OUT AND I BELIEVE THERE'S AN ACCESS EASEMENT THAT RUNS ACROSS TO THE RIGHT OF WAY LINE TO PROVIDE IT DOWN PURCHASE POINT ROAD OR CROSS RIGHT RIGHT THERE RIGHT WHERE THAT BUT I JUST WANTED TO I DON'T THINK THAT'S NOT A PART OF THIS I DON'T THINK THEY'RE TRYING TO CHANGE OR ANYTHING OF THAT BUT THIS APPLICANT YEAH THAT WAS STUBBED OUT AND FOR ACROSS THE HAS BEEN FOR SCHOOL TRAFFIC TO GO INTO THE SCHOOL THAT THAT THAT THAT WAS THAT THAT WAS PLACED A PART OF OUR TRANSPORTATION CLAIM IT'S JUST YOU KNOW JUST TOO AWARE BOTH PARTIES THAT THEY MAY NEED TO START TALKING TO EACH OTHER BECAUSE KNOW THINGS ARE GOING ON ADJACENT TO EACH OTHER SO THAT'S JUST TO LET THEM KNOW HEY IN THE FUTURE YOU GUYS MAY BE BUILDING SOMETHING THAT MAY BE OR PLANNING FOR SOMETHING THAT MAY INTERSECT SO SO YOU GUYS CAN GET AHEAD OF IT AND BE PROACTIVE MAYBE WORKING TOGETHER TO DO SOMETHING. WE AS PLANNERS WANTED TO MAKE THAT COMMENT SO THEY SO THAT THEY CAN TALKING NOW AND SO THAT THEY CAN BE PROACTIVE RATHER THAN REACTIVE THIS BECAUSE IT GOES BACK TO ME TO THE TRANSPORTATION THAT'S GROWING AS A RESULT OF THIS PURCHASE POINT WHICH I REMEMBER AND THE LAST PLAN THAT WE SAW WAS POTENTIAL FOR A LIGHT BEING AT PRITCHARD POINT ROAD ALSO AT PLAN THERE THEY RE THERE'S AN INGRESS RIGHT TURN IN RIGHT TURN OUT ONLY IN THE MIDDLE OF THE 17 ACRES WHICH IS MORE TRAFFIC COMING ON AND OFF.

SO THERE'S THERE'S SOME CONCERNS ABOUT WHAT THE TRAFFIC PATTERN TOTAL LOOKS LIKE IN

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OKAY AND NOT DOWN ANY ONE BLOCK FROM RIGHT ALL THE WAY TO TWO SEVEN AND WE HAVE A LETTER FROM THE SCHOOL BUT THERE'S NO ONE HERE TO SPEAK TO IT, RIGHT? NO, NO.

OKAY. I GUESS FROM MY PERSPECTIVE THEN YOU KNOW EVEN FROM THE LAST MEETING THE SCHOOLS GOING TO BE THEY'RE AT CAPACITY NOW AND THERE'S A SCHOOL BOARD SCHOOL BOARD REFERENDUM WILL BE ON NOVEMBER BALLOT AND FOR 39 MILLION WHICH MEANS THEY'RE GOING TO BUILD A NEW OKATIE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL. BUT THOSE CHANGES AREN'T GOING TO HAPPEN FOR FOUR, FOUR AND A HALF YEARS. SO I JUST DON'T THINK WE OUGHT TO HAVE THAT ON THE PUBLIC RECORD. BUT YEAH, AS I READ THE NEWSPAPER RECENTLY FROM THE REFERENDUM DOES NOT INCLUDE ANY ADDITIONS TO NEW YORK OKATIE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL IT HAS ADDITIONS AND EXTENSIONS TO MY BLUFFTON AND SHOULD HOPEFULLY YEAH YOU'RE RIGHT YOUR BUS KIDS THE OKATIE BUT IT WOULD BE A SHAME FOR THE KIDS WHO LIVE IN MAINLAND BLUFF AND OAKS NOT TO BE ABLE TO GO BECAUSE OVERCAPACITY I DON'T THINK THE SCHOOL WOULD ALLOW THAT. ALL RIGHT. I GUESS WE'RE READY TO HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT BUT DEFINITELY WE'VE GOT SOME QUESTIONS BUT PROCEED PLEASE.

SO YOU HAVE MULTIPLE SPEAKERS THAT WANT TO COME UP. I MR. BURTON ALSO THAT WAY.

THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. MY NAME IS WILLIAM NESTER AND I'M AN ATTORNEY WITH VERN FORMAN AND I REPRESENT PBR DEVELOPMENT LLC AND WITH ME AND I'M OUT THERE AS YOU NOTED THEY ARE COMING UP TO SIT UP HERE THERE WAS AN ACCIDENT AT 170 EASTERN LANE COMING FROM HILTON HEAD AND THAT FOR ME THE ARRIVAL BUT MR. DAVID BENNETT IS THERESA BENNETT I BELIEVE IS HERE AND MR. DUANE WENDELL IS ALSO HERE ON BEHALF OF BBR DEVELOPMENT THAT THE DEVELOPMENT COMPANY THAT'S BEHIND THE PROPOSED APPLICATION ALSO WITH US TONIGHT IS MR. WELLS MORTGAGE ERIC IS RIGHT HERE WITH WOODEN PARTNERS IS THE LAND PLANNER FOR THE DEVELOPMENT WE ALSO HAVE MS. JENNIFER BRP WILL BE ENGINEERING SHE'S A TRAFFIC CONSULTANT IN. MR. ASHER HOW WE DO KIRK ENVIRONMENT IS ALSO HERE ON BEHALF THE APPLICANT I WANT THIS TO BE TO BE CLEAR THIS IS AN APPLICATION FOR A REZONING OF THIS PORTION OF THE PROPERTY AND THERE ARE ELEMENTS THAT NEED TO BE REVIEWED.

I PLANNING COMMISSION IN COUNCIL WHEN THEY'RE APPROVING A REZONING AND I WANT TO MAKE CERTAIN THAT I MEAN I TRUST THAT COMMISSIONERS RECEIVED A COPY OF OUR APPLICATION BECAUSE IT WAS NOTED THE ONLINE MATERIALS THAT WERE PROVIDED OR THE PACKET THAT WAS PROVIDED THE APPLICATION WASN'T INCLUDED AND OUR APPLICATION SPEAKS POINT BY POINT TO THE NINE ELEMENTS THAT NEED TO BE CONSIDERED WHEN TALKING ABOUT A REZONING.

SO I WANT TO MAKE CERTAIN THAT THE COMMISSIONERS HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW THAT APPLICATION IN THEIR PACKET SIMPLE OUT AND I TRUST THAT IT WAS DONE.

I JUST WANT TO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE FOR THE RECORD THAT THAT INDEED IT WAS NO NO.

BECAUSE THERE ARE THERE ARE ELEMENTS THAT YOU NEED TO REVIEW WHEN AN APPLICATION FOR REZONING AND IN NARRATIVE FOR OUR APPLICATION WE SPEAK DIRECTLY TO EACH ONE OF THOSE AND WE CAN WE CAN SPEAK TO THOSE TO THOSE TO MAKE A COUPLE OF POINTS THAT THAT WERE MADE.

AND I'M NOT GOING TO TAKE VERY MUCH BECAUSE NOBODY REALLY WANTS TO HEAR FROM LAWYERS BUT THERE ARE A LOT OF LEGAL IT WAS ALL LEGAL ADVICE WAS COMING TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION THIS EVENING IT'S A LITTLE DISCONCERTING FRANKLY PLANS ARE NO LONGER AVAILABLE THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT CODE BECAUSE THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT CODE IS A FORM BASED CODE CODE WHICH CONTEMPLATES A MIX OF USES AND VARIOUS NODES UNDER THE UNDER THE FORMER CODE WHICH WAS THE EUCLIDEAN CODE NEEDED PUDI IN ORDER TO HAVE A MIX OF USES AND THE ASPREY PLANNING PERIOD WAS ACTUALLY THREE PERIOD IN USE WITH THREE DEVELOPMENT

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THE MAINLAND BLUFF IS IS ONE THAT HAS SURVIVED BUT HAS CHANGED THE CHANGES OF COURSE ARE NOT THE APPLICANT'S FAULT. THE ABA CONSENTED BECAUSE IT BELIEVES ON THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT CODE AND YOUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THAT YOU APPROVED THAT IS OVERLOOKING THAT THIS IS AN APPROPRIATE USE FOR THAT FOR THAT LAND DEFINITELY A REVIEW OF THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT A REVIEW OF THE RECOVERY PLAN WHICH DIRECTS COUNSEL DIRECTS COUNCIL TO AGGRESSIVELY PURSUE AFFORDABLE HOUSING. 75% OF THE UNITS IN THIS PROJECT ARE GOING TO BE AFFORDABLE AND AGAIN YOU DON'T NEED TO HEAR ANY FROM LAWYERS.

I'D LIKE TO INTRODUCE MR. BENNETT. THANK YOU.

AS YOU QUESTION YOUR SERVICE YOU SAID 75% ARE CONSIDERED AFFORDABLE ACCORDING THE COUNTY'S DEFINITION ONLY 49% MEET THE 80% OF OUR MIND WHICH IS AFFORDABLE HOUSING DEFINITION THAT THE COUNTY USES. AND THE DISCREPANCY BETWEEN YOUR BELIEF OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING UNDER THAT DEFINITION. YES, MR. CHAIRMAN AND THANK YOU. BUT THE AFFORDABLE COMPONENT THAT'S DESCRIBED IN THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT CODE PROVIDES INCENTIVES TO DEVELOPER DEVELOPERS TO DEVELOP LAND AND FIVE ZONING DISTRICTS THIS IS NOT IN THE C FIVE ZONING DISTRICT SO THAT THE REFERENCE IN THE STAFF THE STAFF REPORT REFERENCED TO AFFORDABILITY AND THAT SECTION OF THE CODE IS IRRELEVANT BECAUSE THAT'S THAT'S THAT SECTION OF THE CODE AND THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT CODE SPEAKS TO AFFORDABLE HOUSING INCENTIVES THAT ARE AVAILABLE TO DEVELOPERS. WE WANT TO DEVELOP AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN THE C FIVE ZONING DISTRICT AND I HOPE I'VE ANSWERED YOUR QUESTION AND ONE MORE QUESTION FOR YOU.

I HOPE THAT YOU WANT TO RESPOND TO THAT MEAN IT'S ONLY IF YOU HAVE A DIRECT QUESTION FOR ME ONLY IF YOU HAVE A DIRECT QUESTION FOR ME. OKAY.

NO, I DON'T YOU ALLUDED TO SOMETHING ABOUT LEGAL THINGS THAT WERE JUST AND I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT DISCUSSIONS ABOUT WHY THERE ARE NO NO LONGER PADS AVAILABLE AND WHAT HAPPENS TO VIEW THESE AND WHAT HAS HAPPENED TO BEAUTY AND IF STAFF IS GOING TO SUPPORT AN APPLICATION WHERE THINGS SHALL BE REQUIRED THOSE ARE ALL LEGAL CONCEPTS THAT WE DON'T BELIEVE WE BELIEVE ARE CERTAINLY APPLICABLE IF THEY'RE PART OF A DISCUSSION I DON'T THINK THAT IT'S FAIR TO THE APPLICANT FOR THE PLANNING COMMISSIONERS TO BE TOLD ITEMS THAT ARE ON THE LAW WHEN THERE'S JUST NOT THAT KIND OF DETERMINATION BEING MADE IN THE LAW IS THE ORDINANCE THAT WE HAVE AVAILABLE TO US THAT'S THE LAW OR THE LAW DETERMINED BY A COURT OF LAWYERS HAVE OPINIONS LAND PLANNERS HAVE OPINIONS ENGINEERS OPINIONS, DEVELOPERS HAVE OPINIONS AND THEY ALL MANNER. BUT MY CONCERN MR. MILLER IS THAT WITH THROWING OUT LEGAL CONCEPTS AS IF IT'S IS THE LAW OR IT'S THE FACT AND I DON'T THINK THAT'S FAIR FOR THE COMMISSIONERS AND I DON'T THINK IT'S FAIR TO THAT IT LIKE HISTORY TO ME SORRY IT SOUNDED LIKE HISTORY TO ME. OKAY.

YES, SIR. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU.

I THINK YOUR LEGAL AGREEMENT CHAIRMAN PAPPAS, MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION I'M GOING TO LEAVE ALL THE LEGAL BODIES TO THE LAND, THE LEGAL PEOPLE IF YOU DON'T MIND, WOULD YOU INTRODUCE YOURSELF, PLEASE? YES, SIR. I'M DAVID BENNETT AND MY COMPANY IS BENNETT AND RANDALL COMPANIES. I AM ONE OF MY PARTNERS.

DUANE RANDALL IS PASSING OUT A PACKAGE OF INFORMATION YOU IT CONTAINS THE INFORMATION THAT WALTER JUST REFERENCED A COPY OF OUR INITIAL APPLICATION, A COPY OF THE NARRATIVE THAT ACCOMPANY THAT THAT GOES TO THE MAIN POINTS OR THE CRITERIA THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND OTHER PLANNING BODIES ARE SUPPOSED UTILIZE TO MEASURE APPLICATIONS FOR PDD MODIFICATIONS, ZONING AMENDMENTS WE TOOK THE TIME BEFORE WE EVEN SUBMITTED THE APPLICATION TO REVIEW THOSE CRITERIA, ASSESS WHETHER OR NOT OUR CENTRAL PROJECT MEETS THOSE

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ONE OF ONE QUESTION FOR YOU RIGHT OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD IS THERE WAS A MENTION OF A HALF ACRE OF EMS? CAN YOU EXPLAIN WHY IT'S NOT IN THE IN THE PLAN NOW THE PLAN LET ME JUST I WILL LET ME MAKE AN IMPORTANT MAYBE AN IMPORTANT DISTINCTION.

WE ARE NOT THE APPLICANT I THOUGHT YOU SAID YOU WERE. NO, SIR.

WE ARE THE DEVELOPER AS A CONTRACT TO PURCHASE THE APPLICANT'S PROPERTY.

WHO IS THE APPLICANT? THE APPLICANT IS THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY.

IT'S ARE THEY HERE TONIGHT? NO SIR. WHETHER OR NOT THIS CHANGE OUR CONTRACT TO PURCHASE IS CONDITIONED UPON SEVERAL CONTINGENCIES ONE OF WHICH IS THE MODIFICATION TO PERMIT OUR LAND USES WHICH IS 20,000 SQUARE FOOT OF COMMERCIAL SPACE ,228 APARTMENTS. SO WE ARE THE BEST TO SPEAK TO THOSE RIGHT TO THOSE CONDITIONS THE PLAN FOR THE DEVELOPMENT UNDER THE PROPOSED BEAUTY MODIFICATION THE OWNER AND THE OWNER WHO HAS BEEN YES THE OWNER FOR A CONSIDERABLE PERIOD OF TIME WOULD BE THE ONE WHO WOULD ANSWER THE QUESTION. THE EMS GROUP AT THIS POINT IN TIME THAT IS NOT INCLUDED IN THE 17 ACRES ORIGINALLY IT WAS DESIGNED TO GIVE ME A REASON WHY DIRECTLY WE UNDERSTAND THAT THE SHERIFF HAS PURCHASED A CONSIDERABLE SIZE PARTIAL NOT TOO FAR AWAY IN OKATIE WITH A PLANNED OPERATION CENTER AND WE DON'T THINK THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE ANY A CONTINUING NEED FOR THAT HALF AN ACRE FOR A PUBLIC SAFETY PURPOSE. BUT JUST IF I MAY, WE HAVE A PRESENTATION THAT MAY ANSWER MANY OF YOUR QUESTIONS. I'M HAPPY TO COME BACK TO ALL OF THOSE BUT I'D LIKE TO GO THROUGH JUST TO GIVE YOU A GENERAL OVERVIEW OF WHAT IT IS WE'RE PROPOSING. ALL RIGHT, WHO WE ARE, WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING AND WHY IS WE'RE PROPOSING IT TODAY. GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE NEXT. SO WHO WE ARE IS BEN AND RANDALL COMPANY, THE DEVELOPER AND THE MEMBERS OF OUR COMPANY COLLECTIVELY HAVE ABOUT 100 YEARS OF EXPERIENCE IN ALL FACETS OF AFFORDABLE ELEMENT SYNDICATION MANAGEMENT FINANCING SUPER NUTS WORK AS A TEAM THOUGH AND I THINK IT WALTER MENTIONED SEVERAL OF OUR TEAM MEMBERS ARE HERE ONE THAT HE DID NOT IS ALAN WOLF WHO IN THE BACK OF THE OF THE ROOM ALAN IS A FOUNDING MEMBER OF CC DC WHICH IS A LOWCOUNTRY BASED NONPROFIT RECENTLY ESTABLISHED FACILITATE AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND CREATE AFFORDABLE HOUSING OPPORTUNITIES FOR HOUSEHOLDS THAT NEED THEM IN OUR AREA. HE'S ALSO A PRINCIPAL OF THE THIRD GROUP WHICH OWNS AND OPERATES A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT RESTAURANTS THROUGHOUT HILTON HEAD AND BOSTON AREA.

I THINK THEY ARE ONE OF THE LARGEST EMPLOYERS IN SOUTHERN BEAVERTOWN AND ALAN'S FIRM HAS A COUPLE THEIR RESTAURANTS HAVE INTEREST IN THE COMMERCIAL PORTION OF THE DEVELOPMENT AS WELL AND HE'S A VIABLE MEMBER OF OUR TEAM OF GLOBALLY WE'VE BEEN IF YOU COULD MOVE TO THE NEXT SLIDE THAT WE'VE BEEN INVOLVED WITH TWO DEVELOPMENTS ONE IS MEMBER OF A VILLAGE YOU CAN SEE PICTURES UP FRONT OF YOU MAYBE THE VILLAGE IS LOCATED AT GATEWAY TO OLD TOWN BLUFFTON THE LAND USE PATTERNS OF MAYBE A VILLAGE BEAR SOME SIMILARITIES TO THE MAINLAND BLUFF FOR INSTANCE MAYBE RIVER VILLAGE IS LOCATED 500 FEET FROM A PULTE SINGLE FAMILY

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IT'S RECENTLY BEEN UNDER CONSTRUCTION. IT'S APPROACHING NEARING THE END OF CONSTRUCTION IT CONTAINS A TOTAL OF 280 APARTMENTS IT CONTAINS A MIX OF 50% AMI 60% AMI 80% EMI AND MARKET RATE HOUSEHOLDS EXCELLENT FEEDING AND THERE IS ANOTHER PICTURE OF OF A VILLAGE DEVELOPMENT SO WHY ARE WE PROPOSING THE VILLAGE OF MAINLAND BLUFF? I THINK THE DIRECT SHORT ANSWER IS BEAUFORT COUNCILMAN COUNTY HAS AN AFFORDABLE HOUSING CRISIS 2011 SOUTHERN COUNTY HAD 696 AFFORDABLE APARTMENTS AND.

THEY ARE SHOWN THERE THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY AREA TO INCLUDE IN OUR NEXT SLIDE YOU CAN SEE THAT FROM 2011 TO 2023 SOUTHERN COUNTY LOST 536 OF THOSE AFFORDABLE APARTMENTS AND GAINED JUST HUNDRED AND 32 NEW ONES ALL OF THEM AT MAE RIVER VILLAGE, THOSE WHAT WAS LEFT ON THAT SCREEN ARE THE AFFORDABLE APARTMENTS THAT REMAIN AND SOME OF YOU CAN AND COUNTY KNOWS THIS IN FACT IT'S A TOP PRIORITY ILLUSTRATED THROUGHOUT OUR HOUSING SECTION OF OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND HERE ARE A FEW EXCERPTS FROM THE HOUSING PORTION OF THE PLAN TO LOCATE AFFORDABLE HOUSING ACCESSIBLE TO EMPLOYMENT SERVICES SCHOOLS ,PARKS AND PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION TO ENCOURAGE AFFORDABLE HOUSING TO BE LOCATED A MIXED INCOME MIXED USE WALKABLE COMMUNITIES TO REDUCE DEVELOPMENT COSTS FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING TO WORK TO BARRIERS TO DEVELOPING AFFORDABLE AND WORKFORCE HOUSING AND PROBABLY MOST IMPORTANTLY AGGRESSIVELY PURSUE THE DEVELOPMENT OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

AND FINALLY TO REVIEW ZONING DISTRICTS TO HELP INCORPORATE MORE OPPORTUNITIES FOR THE MISSING MIDDLE INCOME HOUSING. I'M GOING TO COME BACK TO THAT MISSING MIDDLE.

THERE ARE GUIDELINES ESTABLISHED FOR PRODUCING THAT WE TOOK INTO ACCOUNT ALL THOSE GUIDELINES WE TOOK INTO ACCOUNT WHEN WE ESTABLISHED A DEVELOPMENT PLAN THAT'S BEEN SUBMITTED TO YOU. AND I GUESS THE QUESTION IS HOW SERIOUS IS COUNTY ABOUT ALL OF THIS? THEY'VE CODIFIED IT IN THE CODE .

SOME OF THE STANDARDS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT EARLIER, IT DEFINES IT FOR 30% AND IF YOU AS A DEVELOPER AGREED TO RESTRICT 30% OF THE APARTMENTS IN A PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT AT 80% AM I FOR 20 YEARS OR 20% AT 80% AM I FOR 25 YEARS YOU WOULD BE ELIGIBLE FOR IN SOME INSTANCES OR NO DENSITY LIMITATIONS AND WAIVERS OF IMPACT FEES ON UNDER PERCENT IF YOU ARE PROVIDING 60% IN MY HOUSEHOLD AND 60% IF YOU ARE PROVIDING 80% AND MY HOUSE AND THE NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. SO WHAT ARE WE TRYING TO DO? WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING IS A 20 NEW DEVELOPMENT PLAN WITH 20,000 SQUARE FEET OF COMMERCIAL SPACE AND, 228 APARTMENT HOMES FOR THE SWIMMING POOL AND OTHER COMMON AREA AMENITIES TO SUPPORT.

49% OF THOSE APARTMENTS WOULD BE MADE AVAILABLE TO HOUSEHOLDS EARN UP TO 80% OF THE AREA MEDIAN INCOME OR LESS 26% OF THE HOUSEHOLD WOULD BE MADE AVAILABLE TO HOUSEHOLDS EARNING UP TO 120% OF THEIR INCOME AND LESS THAT'S THE MISSING MIDDLE STILL GOING TO COME BACK TO THAT AND 25% OF THE APARTMENTS WOULD BE MADE AVAILABLE AT MARKET RATE FOR EVERYONE'S BENEFIT 2023 COUNTY AREA MEDIAN INCOME FOR A FOUR PERSON HOUSEHOLD $91,800 PER YEAR FOR 23 SLIGHTLY THIS IS JUST MORE DETAILED OF AREA MEAN INCOMES AND HOUSEHOLD SIZES AND IT

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SO NOW LET ME JUST RETURN TO THE MISSING MIDDLE YOU MAY HAVE HEARD OF THE URBAN LAND INSTITUTE. THEY ARE ESSENTIALLY THE STANDARD BEARER LAND DEVELOPMENT FOR COMMUNITY PLANNING AND THIS IS AN EXCERPT FROM ONE OF THEIR STUDIES ILLUSTRATING THAT THE MISSING MIDDLE ARE HOUSEHOLDS THAT EARN BETWEEN 80 AND 120% OF THE AREA MEDIAN INCOME AND OFTEN INCLUDES TEACHERS, FIRST RESPONDERS, HEALTH CARE PROVIDERS AND OTHERS OTHERS WITH IMPORTANT ROLES THAT MAKE FOR A HEALTHY COMMUNITY.

NEXT SLIDE PLEASE OUR MISSING MIDDLE IS ESSENTIALLY THE SAME AS INDICATED IN THAT.

WE PREPARED A SALARY ANALYSIS FOR SOME OF THOSE IMPORTANT POSITIONS HOLDING ENTRY LEVEL TEACHERS EARN 50,000 ROUGHLY $50,000 A YEAR THAT THEM AT THE 80% AMI LEVEL.

BUT IF YOU'RE AN ENTRY LEVEL TEACHER WITH A MASTER'S DEGREE OR MORE THAN ONE YEAR OF EXPERIENCE YOU ARE APPROACHING 100% AMI. WELL SAME SITUATION WITH THE OCCUPATIONAL THERAPIST AND. THE PHYSICAL THERAPIST. SAME SITUATION WITH THE ARMS SOCIAL WORKERS THAT WORK FOR THE COUNTY SCHOOL DISTRICT. THEY'RE 80 AND 110% RESPECTIVELY. NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. GOES ON TO ILLUSTRATE WHAT THE WHAT THE SALARY LEVELS PLACE OF THOSE RESPECTIVE POSITIONS IN ROUGHLY BETWEEN 80 AND 100%.

YOU CAN SEE ON THE BOARD THOSE INDIVIDUALS THAT WORK IN THOSE PROFESSIONS THEY ARE THE MISSING MIDDLE. SO WHAT DOES THAT MEAN TO THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE AT THE VILLAGE OF SALEM? WHAT RENT SAVINGS OVER THE ENTIRE DEVELOPMENT.

WE'RE LOOKING AT IN RENT SAVINGS ON WHAT WE'VE PROPOSED APPROXIMATELY $850,000 PER YEAR THAT'S ROUGHLY 60 $600 PER YEAR IN RENT SAVINGS FOR THE 80% AMI HOUSEHOLDS.

THAT'S ROUGHLY 1500 DOLLARS PER YEAR IN SAVINGS THE HOUSEHOLDS AT 120% AMI LEVEL.

AND IF USED A MARKET BASED CAP RATE TO VALUE WHAT THAT RENT SAVINGS IS IT AMOUNTS TO ALMOST MILLION DOLLARS. THAT'S WHAT IT IS WE'RE PROPOSING.

THAT'S WHAT IT IS WE'RE OFFERING COUNTY TO THE RESIDENTS WHO WILL LIVE AT THE VILLAGE OF HELEN BLUFF. WHAT'S THAT GOING TO DO? IT'S GOING TO IMPROVE THEIR ECONOMIC WELL-BEING. IT'S GOING TO MAKE THEM BETTER ABLE TO AFFORD THEIR RENT.

IT'S GOING TO ALLOW THEM TO BETTER ABLE THE BALANCE OF THEIR BILLS AND EXPENSES.

IT MAY EVEN ALLOW THEM TO SAY PRODUCE A SAVINGS. AND ULTIMATELY I THINK IT'S GOING TO ORGANICALLY PREPARE THEM FOR WHAT MIGHT BE THE NEXT STEP IN THEIR HOUSE.

AND NOW JUST BRIEFLY LIKE TO TURN OUR DREAMS OVER TO OUR LAND.

ERIC AND THEN THAT'LL BE FOLLOWED BY OUR TRAFFIC. JENNIFER BEALS.

JENNIFER'S GOT A LOT OF EXPERIENCE WITH TRANSPORTATION.

SHE'S IN FACT WORKED ON THE TRANSPORTATION NEEDS IN A LOT OF AREAS THROUGHOUT THIS STATE ROUTE 170 CORRIDOR AND SOME VERY GOOD COMEDY A LOT OF VERY GOOD CONTENT AND A LOT OF GOOD KNOWLEDGE THAT PROBABLY WAS USEFUL. ERIC I'M TALKING THIS MORNING AND CAN YOU ASSURE COMMISSIONERS APPRECIATE YOUR TIME REVIEWING THIS WITH US? I SERVED ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION 2014 2017 ON WITH IT FOR A SPELL BUT I THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND EFFORT. I'M GOING TO JUST GO A LITTLE BIT OF THE HIGHLIGHTS OF THE MASTER PLAN. IT'S SUCH A MASTER PLAN WE'RE SHOWING SCREEN AS WELL AS THE DIFFERENCES THE CHANGES BETWEEN THE PUD PLAN AND THIS PLAN. AND I DO WANT TO MARK AND HIS STAFF WE DID MEET WITH THEM TO REVIEW THE PLAN. WE RECEIVED THEIR COMMENTS, WE MADE RESPONSES SO WAS SOME BACK AND FORTH WITH STAFF AND WE WELCOME TO CONTINUE THAT.

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IT'S TRYING TO CREATE THAT SENSE OF COMMUNITY AT YOUR FRONT DOOR.

THE PARKING'S BEHIND THE BUILDINGS ARE HIDDEN FROM VIEW AS BEST WE CAN.

I DO WANT TO POINT OUT THAT BY REDUCING THE AMOUNT OF COMMERCIAL SPACE FROM 207,000 DOWN TO 20,000 THIS TIME REDUCES ABOUT THOSE FROM ABOUT 700 PARKING SPACES DOWN TO A TOTAL OF 432 ON THE WHOLE PLAN THAT WE'RE SHOWING IN FRONT OF YOU.

SO I THINK MORE THAN HALF OF IMPERVIOUS PAVING AWAY BACK TO THE BUILDING HEIGHTS.

WE'RE PROPOSING 35 FEET AND THREE STORY MAX BY CODE . WE'RE ALLOWED 45 FEET AND FOUR STORIES. THE STREETS EACH STRENGTH OR THOROUGHFARE HAS BEEN ASSEMBLED USING THE CODE PAPER TRAVEL LANE WHERE IT'S A BIG FRONTAGE ASSEMBLIES INCLUDING PLANTER STRIPS, STREET TREES, SIDEWALKS, PUBLIC LANDSCAPING, PUBLIC FRONTAGE IN FRONT OF EACH BUILDING. WE ALSO READ FROM FOUR ENTRY EXIT LOCATIONS TO FIVE ON THIS PLAN SIDEWALK. SO WE'RE SHOWING YOU OVER TWO MILES OF SIDEWALKS THAT WILL PROVIDE PEDESTRIAN CONNECTIVITY . EACH BUILDING TO EACH PARKING AREA TO CIVIC OPEN SPACE THE AMENITIES, THE PATH TO DEVELOPMENT AS WELL AS THE ROAD THAT'S OUTSIDE THIS PD THE ANIMAL FACILITY WE'RE CARRYING OUT SOLELY AS WELL AS THE SCHOOL AND WE HOPE THAT HAPPENS IN GENERALLY WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS BRING BACK A LITTLE BIT OF THAT MIXED USE FEEL THAT WALKABLE COMMUNITY. I DON'T TO SPEAK TO PULTE DEVELOPMENT BUT THEY BASICALLY PUSHED ALL THAT STUFF OUT. SO WE'RE TRYING TO BRING THAT BACK A LITTLE BIT. THE PLAN IS INCLUDE A WELL-APPOINTED CLUBHOUSE FOR COMMUNITY EVENTS AND GATHERINGS ,A POOL OF CLOTHING, MULTIPLE SEATING AREAS ALONG SIDEWALKS AND FISHING PIERS TO ACTIVATE THOSE SPACES, GROWING AREAS CLOSE TO THE BUILDINGS AND ALL THESE THINGS WE COULD BE PLANNING FOR UP TO CREATE THAT SENSE OF COMMUNITY THAT WE'RE TRYING TO BUILD FOR. WE CAN GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE. THIS IS AN OPEN SPACE PLAN.

EVERYTHING IN WHITE IS NOT INCLUDED IN THE OPEN SPACE AS WELL AS EVERYTHING IN BROWN OR PINK. THOSE ARE THE BUILDINGS EVERYTHING IN GREEN AND IS OPEN SPACE PER THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT THAT'S ALMOST NINE ACRES OF OPEN SPACE SITE 17 SO THAT'S MORE THAN HALF OF OUR SITE IS DEDICATED TO PRESERVING OPEN SPACE OR CREATING THAT OPEN SPACE. ALSO WE'RE DEDICATING ABOUT THREE ACRES OF THAT OPEN SPACE TO WHAT THEY CALL CIVIC OPEN SPACE SET ASIDE MEANING IT HAS TO PROVIDE AN ACTIVE AREA BEING SIDEWALKS THE FISHING PIERS IT CAN'T JUST BE A STORMWATER LAGOON.

YOU HAVE TO PUT SIDEWALKS AROUND IT AND ACTIVATE THOSE SPACES AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE SHOWING HERE. THOSE HATCHED AREAS WOULD BE THE CIVIC SPACE WHICH INCLUDES THE PRESERVED WETLAND, THE STONE HOME AGAIN SIDEWALKS ALL AROUND IT, THE PLAYGROUND, THE POOL AREA, THE AMENITIES CENTER, THE CLUBHOUSE. ALL OF THAT GOES TOWARDS WHAT WE'RE SETTING ASIDE A CIVIC OPEN SPACE NEXT LIKE THIS. SO WHAT WE DO IS WE LOOKED AT THE BUFFERS AND SOME SECTIONS WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING WILL REQUIRE BY THE COUNCIL TO PROVIDE VEGETATED BUFFERS PRESERVED AS WELL AS ENHANCED. IF YOU LOOK AT LANDSCAPING SO THAT TOP SECTION IS A SECTION CUTTING THE MULTIFAMILY BUILDING ACROSS A STREET FRONTAGE A 50 FOOT VEGETATED BUFFER TO HIGHWAY 170. THAT BUFFER WE SEE IS IS BEING IN BOTH EXISTING AND ENHANCED LANDSCAPING MANICURED YOU WILL SPEAKING OF THAT THE BOTTOM

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SO IT HAS A VERY GENEROUS SPACE BETWEEN THERE ADEQUATE TRAVEL ALLOWANCE FOR A LOT OF OUR TODAY'S SIZES AS WELL AS EMERGENCY VEHICLES AND PARKING FOR VISITORS STREET TREES, SIDEWALK ON BOTH SIDES AND THEN LANDSCAPING IN OF EACH BUILDING TO REALLY SOFTEN THAT SPACE AND BREAK IT DOWN TO PEDESTRIAN SCALE THAT THE NEXT SECTION ON THE BOTTOM IS A SECTION FROM MAINLAND BLUFF ON YOUR RIGHT THEY HAVE AN EXISTING BERM WHICH IS PLANTED IN VERY NICELY I MIGHT ADD AND THEY WILL REQUIRE A 20 FOOT VEGETATED BUFFER WHICH IS SHOWN THERE AND WHAT THE DEVELOPER WOULD LIKE TO DO IS INCREASE THAT TO 40 FEET TO ENHANCE AND EXTEND THAT BUFFER TO PROVIDE SOME SCREENING FROM MAINLAND BLUFF DRIVE TO THE DEVELOPMENT.

THEN YOU STILL HAVE STORMWATER AND A STREET FRONTAGE AND THEN THE BUILDING CAN'T READ FROM THIS FAR AWAY ABOUT I THINK IT'S ABOUT 120 FEET OR SO FROM THE RIGHT OF WAY OF MAN IN BLUFF TO THE BUILDING THAT CORRECT. NEXT SLIDE PLEASE.

YES AND THEN THE BUILDING SHOWN ON THE RIGHT CONCEPTUALLY IS A RESIDENTIAL IN THE PULTE DEVELOPMENT. THIS WOULD BE OCCURRING ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE OF ROADWAY FROM OUR DEVELOPMENT AND THERE'S A 50 FOOT VEGETATED BUFFER THAT THEY PROVIDE AND THEN WE HAVE ROTATING SECTION AND WE'RE ACTIVATING THAT ROADWAY WITH SIDEWALKS, STREET TREES PARALLEL PARKING AND THEN OUR APARTMENT BUILDING WITH A PLAN ON HOPEFULLY ALL THOSE SIDEWALKS TWO MILES PLUS HELPS WHOLE COMMUNITY CONNECT TO ONE ANOTHER.

THAT SENSE I TALKED A LITTLE BIT JUST SOME POINTS ABOUT THE CHANGES FROM THE CURRENT APPROVED DATE TO THIS DEVELOPMENT PLAN. IT MEETS THE CURRENT COMMITMENT OF IT TO BEING A DEVELOPER TO A REPLACEMENT ROADWAY NETWORKS A PARKING SIDEWALKS AND OPEN SPACE. IT REDUCES COMMERCIAL FROM 200 TO 7700 SQUARE FEET TO 20,000 SQUARE FEET. IT RELOCATES THE PLAN 110 MULTI-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL UNITS THAT USED TO BE IN THE DAY WHICH WAS SHOWN ON THE ORIGINAL CONCEPT PLAN THAT I WORKED ON BACK IN 2008 SEVEN WAS ON THE POSITIVE SIDE AND THEY BASICALLY PUSHED THAT OUT SO WE WANTED TO PUT THAT BACK INTO OUR PLAN THIS SITE AND THEN CONVERT THAT A RESIDUAL 187,000 SQUARE FEET OF COMMERCIAL USE TO AN ADDITIONAL HUNDRED AND 18 MULTI-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL FOR A TOTAL OF 228 MULTIFAMILY RESIDENTIAL UNITS AND WE'RE BACK TO THAT MIXED USE FEEL OF SINGLE FAMILY MULTI-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL AGAIN WE PROVIDED FIVE ENTRY EXIT POINTS TO BETTER SERVE VEHICULAR CIRCULATION AND THE TRAFFIC CONDITIONS AND BY GOING FROM COMMERCIAL TO MULTIFAMILY IT REDUCES TRAFFIC IMPACTS AND I I'LL INTRODUCE JENNIFER BE OUR TRAFFIC ANALYSIS AND SHE COULD TALK MORE EXPERTLY TO THAT EXCUSE ME WHAT BEFORE YOU SIT DOWN AND LEAVE THE SLIDE UP PLEASE. THANK YOU.

I THINK YOU SAID THE CURB PROPOSED MANAGEMENT PLAN WOULD REDUCE A LOT OF PARKING AND A LOT OF NEED FOR IMPERVIOUS. AND YET WHEN I LOOK AT THE PROPOSED MASTER PLAN SEE TWO STORMWATER PONDS ONE IN THE MIDDLE AND ONE DOWN BELOW WERE IN THE EXISTING PLAN.

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AND SO TO MR. BENNETT'S POINT THAT THE MASTER PLAN THAT YOU SEE THERE IN COMMERCIAL WHEN COST VALUES GET TO A POINT WHERE YOU CAN DO UNDERGROUND ON YOUR PARKING WHICH IS NOT UNCOMMON IN SOME COMMERCIAL DISTRICTS CAN JUST DO IT JUST A LITTLE BIT MORE COSTLY.

YOU JUST HAVE TO DO AN ANALYSIS OF THE COST OF THAT CONSTRUCTION CURSE THE LAND VALUE AND SOMETIMES COMMERCIAL PRODUCERS THAT BUT IN THIS ORIGINAL MASTER PLAN IN THIS KIND OF WAY AS THEY GO AS THEY'RE THERE THEY WOULD STILL TO HAVE MET ALL OF OUR STORMWATER LAWS SO IF THEY LOST 50,000 SQUARE FEET OF COMMERCIAL AND PARKING IN TO DEVELOP THE REST THAT'S JUST WHAT IT IS BUT THEY WOULD HAVE HAD TO HAVE DONE IT IN THE IN THE VETTING OF THE OF THE ABILITY OF THIS MASTER PLAN SHOWING THAT SMALL LITTLE POND I HAVE SAID THIS I DID SAY THE SAME THING WHEREAS THE ONE THAT THEY'RE SHOWING IS A PROPOSED MASTER PLAN IS PROBABLY MORE REALISTIC OR MUCH CLOSER TO THE REALITY OF STORMWATER NEEDS TO SERVICE SITE WHEREAS THE ONE ON THE LEFT THE EXISTING UNLESS IT WAS UNDERGROUND AND WHICH IS NOT UNCOMMON IN COMMERCIAL THANK YOU FOR THAT. I THOUGHT I WAS GOING CRAZY.

MY EYES WERE MIXED UP OR SOMETHING. NO WE ACTUALLY WERE HEARING WE CAN MAKE THAT ANALYSIS FOR US SO THAT WE COULD REALLY HAVE A CLEARER UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT THE EXACT SITE COULD ACCOMMODATE IN TERMS OF THE DEVELOPMENT.

SO AUTUMN LEAVES THE STORMWATER RETENTION AREA AS SHOWN ON THE SITE WHAT WE'LL NEED IN ORDER TO ADEQUATELY ACCOUNT IS FROM OUR OCCURRENCE. OKAY THANK YOU AND TOO MUCH POINT OUR PLAN ALSO WE'LL HAVE TO GO THROUGH DEVELOPMENT APPROVALS PERMITTING LAND DEVELOPMENT ONLY TO MEET ALL THOSE REQUIREMENTS DESIGN REVIEW BOARD ARCHITECTURAL GUIDELINES AND I KNOW JENNIFER IS GOING TO GET UP AND TALK SOME TRANSPORTATION.

I JUST WANT KIND OF JUMP IN AS PART OF THE CONVERSATION AND THEN YOU'RE GOING TO HEAR FROM THE PUBLIC AS WELL. I'M UP TO THE PODIUM SO ANYBODY THAT'S OUT THERE OR YOU KNOW YOU CAN STAY UP THERE IF YOU WISH BUT WELL YOU KNOW THE PLANS THAT YOU SEE HERE AGAIN GOING BACK TO STAFF AND STAFF'S OPENING REMARKS, YOU KNOW, WE RECOGNIZE AFFORDABLE HOUSING NEED IT BUT HOW YOU GET THERE AND WHAT YOU HAVE TO DO WHAT BOXES YOU HAVE TO UNCHECK THE CHECK THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AND IS THIS THE RIGHT BALANCE OF THE SITE BALANCE THE COMMERCIAL, THE APARTMENTS AND THE MISSING MIDDLE ALL OF THESE ARE FOR RENT.

SO THIS IS THE CONVERSATION THE COUNTY NEEDS HAVING. NOBODY DISAGREES THAT WE NEED AFFORDABLE HOUSING RIGHT? THAT IS A GOOD OUTSIDE OF THE OUTSIDE OF THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT OUTSIDE OF THOUGHTS ON, ALL OF THAT. IT'S A GOOD LAND PLAN AS YOU

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SO THESE ARE THE CONVERSATIONS I THINK NEED TO BE SURROUNDED AROUND THIS TOPIC.

THEY'VE DONE A GREAT JOB, A SITE PLAN AND ALL APARTMENTS WITH A SMALL PORTION OF COMMERCIAL. IT DOES A LOT OF THE THINGS THAT THEY SAID THAT YOU WILL NOT CONVERSATION NEEDS TO BE IS IS THIS THE RIGHT PLACE? IS IT THE RIGHT TOOL AND IS THAT THE RIGHT MIX? I WOULD ENCOURAGE EVERYBODY IN TERMS OF ALL RIGHT, I HAVE A QUESTION JUST TO GIVE ME A LITTLE BIT MORE OF A CONTEXT. THIS IS MY TAKE ON IT AND THE QUESTION WILL FOLLOW FOR EITHER YOU OR MR. BENNETT, WHEN YOU CAME TO US IN JANUARY OF 20 2022 AND IT REQUESTS TO SCRAP THE COMMERCIAL PUT IN 204 MULTIFAMILY UNITS AND YOU IDENTIFIED APPROXIMATELY 60% AND PHASE ONE WAS GOING TO BE AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE DEFINITION IT USED FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING WAS BUT I CALCULATED THAT 80% OF AN ARMY WHICH WAS 122 YEAR AND A HALF YOU'RE COMING TO US WITH WANTING TO GIVE BACK 10% OF THE TWO UNITS AND 7000 TO COMMERCIAL INCREASE IN MULTIFAMILY UNITS OVER AND ABOVE YOU WOULD HAVE HAD BEFORE IF THE 228 VERSUS 204 AND BASED ON AN 80% AM-I IT'S 112 AFFORDABLE HOUSING AS OPPOSED TO 122 AT THE 60%. YOU PRESENTED IT IN JANUARY 2022. MY QUESTION WOULD BE THE SHIFTING RIGHT HAS THIS BEEN DISCUSSED WITH THE COMMUNITY AS A COMMUNITY ANY CHANCE FOR INPUT OR FEEDBACK ON WHAT'S BEING DONE OR IS THIS SIMPLY AN IDEA THAT YOU THINK MIGHT WORK AND WHY WASN'T IT 30% OR 40%? I DON'T MAYBE YOU CAN CLARIFY THAT BUT TRY CHAIRMAN PAPPAS, YOU SAY IT DIDN'T QUITE UNDERSTAND YOUR LAST COMMENT ABOUT THE 30% OR THE FOURTH? WELL, IT WAS 29.

I DIDN'T MEAN 20%. I'M AT 20,000. YOU HAD IT WHICH WAS 10% WAS IT WHY DID YOU CONSIDER JUST GIVING BACK 10%? WHAT WAS THE WHAT WAS THE RATIONALE TO GIVE BACK 10% TO COMMERCIAL RATHER THAN SAY 20% OR 30 40% ORIGINALLY HAD 100% COMMERCIAL? WELL, HOW DID YOU COME UP WITH THIS NEW EQUATION? AND IT WAS A PART OF THE FEEDBACK YOU GOT FROM THE COMMUNITY WE'RE GOING TO COME FROM. WELL, FROM OUR VANTAGE POINT THE HIGH PRIORITY IS TO CREATE HOUSING. SO THAT'S OVERWRITE THE OVERARCHING OBJECTIVE.

YOU'RE RIGHT THE COMMUNITY THAT THEY WANTED TO HAVE SOME COMMERCIAL SPACE BAKER WALK TO AND HAVE A CUP COFFEE OR GET AN ICE CREAM CONE OR SERVICES AND AMENITIES SUCH AS THAT SO I HAD DISCUSSIONS WITH STAFF ABOUT THE APPROPRIATE AMOUNT COMMERCIAL SPACE THAT SHOULD BE INCORPORATED. I'VE HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH VARIOUS KIND OF COUNCIL MEMBERS ABOUT THE AMOUNT OF COMMERCIAL SPACE THAT SHOULD BE INCORPORATED AGAIN WITH THE DESIRE TO TRY TO MEET THE NEEDS THE OVERALL COMMUNITY INCLUDING THE FUTURE RESIDENTS THAT THE VILLAGE OF MARYLAND WAS SURE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THOSE SAME FEATURES AND AMENITIES THAT WE OUGHT TO OFFER SHOP GIUSEPPE'S PIZZA OR OTHER SERVE GROUP RESTAURANTS OR POTENTIALLY BE EMPLOYED AT ONE OF THOSE ESTABLISHMENTS THEMSELVES. SO WE DID TRY TO TAKE INTO

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I CAN TELL YOU FOR SURE WE HAVE NEVER BEGUN A DEVELOPER. WE'VE NEVER BOUGHT A PIECE OF LAND, IDLED IT AND NOT COMPLETED OUR DEVELOPMENT. WE HAVE A TRACK RECORD OF SUCCESS RIGHT HERE COUNTY RELATIVELY LIGHT A LARGER DEVELOPMENT THAN WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE IN THE PORT ROYAL AREA THAT I'M NOT PUTTING OURSELVES ON THE BACK BUT FRANKLY IT WAS A VERY COMPLICATED STRUCTURE THAT HOUSING THAT INVOLVED WHAT I WOULD CHARACTERIZE AS CUTTING EDGE FINANCING THAT ALLOWED THAT TO HAPPEN REPRESENTING AN $80 MILLION DEVELOPMENT STATE TO HAVE ENTITLEMENTS TO BUILD MORE OF THEIR MARKET DICTATES.

AND OUR PROJECT IS BUILT FOR BUILDING STUFF DONE THE SAME THING IN SOUTHERN COUNTY IN FACT IN THE LAST 15 YEARS WE'RE THE ONLY ONES THAT HAS PRODUCED ANY AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN THAT AREA AND PURCHASED THOSE PROPERTIES GOT THEM ENTITLED BOTH OF THEM NEEDED SOME FORM OF GOVERNMENT AUTHORIZING USABLE SOME OF THEM ONE OF THEM MORE THAN THE OTHER AND IT EXACTLY WHAT WE SAID WE WOULD DO ON THAT TIME AND TIME AGAIN THROUGHOUT OUR CAREER WE HAVE DEVELOPED IN OUR FINANCED APPROACHING 10,000 APARTMENTS ALL ACROSS THE COUNTRY SO YOU'RE VERY CONFIDENT THAT WE WILL BE ABLE TO MAKE THE DEVELOPMENT PRESENTED TO YOU TONIGHT HAPPEN? WE HAVE THE RIGHT DEVELOPMENT TEAM IN PLACE WITH OUR RELATIONSHIPS THAT HAVE BEEN ESTABLISHED LONG AGO ALAN AT THE BIRD GROUP AS WELL AS THE CODES THAT I REFERENCED EARLIER THE NONPROFIT THAT'S HOUSING AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROVIDER AND WE'RE VERY CONFIDENT THAT WE CAN CREATE AN EXCITED ABOUT DOING SO IS THE QUESTION AND LITTLE QUESTION THERE MR. BENNETT WHEN YOU PRESENTED IT IN OF 22 YOU INDICATED YOU WERE BUILDING IN PHASES YES SIR. ARE YOU STILL PLANNING ON DOING THAT AND IS THE FIRST PHASE GOING TO BE THE COMPLETION OF THE 20,000 SQUARE FEET COMMERCIAL? THERE ARE STILL PLANNING TO DO THAT AND SIR, I CANNOT AGREE TO THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION TO HAVE A COMMERCIAL VERSION STRONG EXPRESSIONS OF INTEREST AS INDICATED FROM ALLEN IN THE BACK WITH SIR GROUP TO OCCUPY A PORTION OF THOSE BUILDINGS BUT I REFERENCED THE SOPHISTICATED FINANCING TECHNIQUES WE HAVE IN MIND FINANCE THE FIRST PHASE OF THIS APARTMENT DEVELOPMENT WITH A PRIVATE ACTIVITY TAXES AND BOND ISSUE SOUTH CAROLINA HOUSING AUTHORITY THOSE APPLICATION FOR THAT FINANCING ARE DUE DECEMBER THE 11TH THIS YEAR THAT IS FOR 2024 ALLOCATIONS OF THAT BOND VOLUME IS THIS AND FOR FAR AND AWAY EXCEEDS THE SUPPLY YOU NEED BE IN LINE THAT APPLICATION ON THAT DATE THE STIPULATION FOR A LOT OF THE HOUSING PROGRAMS IS

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ALL RIGHT. WHO'S NEXT? JENNIFER BEALS IS THE ENGINEER SINCE 19. YES, WE'VE BEEN HERE BEFORE. I HAVE I HAVE JENNIFER BIO OF THE ENGINEERING SO WE'RE IN BE ASSISTING WITH THE TRAFFIC AND SO KEVIN KIND OF GAVE LITTLE BIT OF AN EXPLANATION SO IF YOU YOU KIND OF FROM JUST AT THIS POINT WE'VE LOOKED AT THE TRIP JEN THE TRIP DISTRIBUTED THE TRIP GENERATION THAT'S GOING TO BE PLANNED FROM WHAT WAS ORIGINALLY PLANNED IN THE CURRENT YEAR 2018 WHAT'S CURRENTLY IN THE PAID FOR THIS COMMERCIAL AREA VERSUS WHAT IS PLANNED WITH THIS AMENDMENT FOR THE COMMERCIAL AREA AND WE'RE LOOKING AT GROSS TRIPS SO WE CREATED A LITTLE TABLE THAT'S IN FRONT OF YOU NOW THAT KIND OF SHOWS THE DIFFERENCES AND I'LL JUST TALK A LITTLE BIT AND KIND OF STEP BACK FROM WHAT AM PEAK HOUR ARE YOU GUYS SOMETIMES YOUR TRAFFIC SO YOU SOMETIMES DON'T HOW WE HANDLE GENERATION IS THROUGH NATIONAL INSTITUTE INTO CONSIDERATION INSTITUTE OF TRANSPORTATION ENGINEERS HAS A GENERATION MANUAL WHERE THEY'VE COLLECTED DATA AT PLACES ACROSS THE COUNTRY HERE IN SOUTH CAROLINA AND THE COUNTRY AND THE APARTMENT AND RETAIL AND OFFICE USES ARE SOME OF THE BEST RESEARCHED USES AND WE COME WITH EQUATIONS OR RATES SO THAT WE KNOW THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC THAT'S GOING TO OCCUR AT A DEVELOPMENT SO WE CAN PROJECT WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN IN THE AM WHICH WE LOOK AT ONE HOUR BETWEEN SEVEN AND NINE IN THE MORNING SO IT'LL BE CAN BE 7 TO 8 COULD BE 8 TO 9 COULD BE 738 THREE ISSUES ONE HOUR BETWEEN THAT TIME HERE IN THE MORNING IN THE AFTERNOON WHICH IS ONE HOUR BETWEEN FOUR AND SIX.

SO WE LOOK AT WHAT IS THE GENERATION ASSOCIATED WITH DEVELOPMENT DURING THOSE TWO TIME PERIODS. SOME DAYS WE DO SATURDAYS YOU KNOW TYPICALLY FOR RESIDENTIAL AND OFFICE AND COMMERCIAL YOU WOULDN'T DO SATURDAY BECAUSE THAT'S USUALLY FOR MORE OF YOUR RECREATION TYPE USES. BUT IF YOU KIND OF LOOK HERE IF WE LOOK AT WHAT IT WAS IN 2019 I MEAN WE HAVE A DEFINITE DECREASE IN SQUARE FOOTAGE FROM THAT THAT LARGE YOU KNOW, COMMERCIAL SQUARE FOOTAGE OF ABOUT 200,000 GETTING THAT DOWN TO 20,000 AND THEN HAVING THE MULTIFAMILY COMPONENT OF THE PROPOSED PLAN. WE'RE LOOKING AT A REDUCTION OF ABOUT 169 TRIPS IN THE MORNING THAT MORNING PEAK THAT MORNING FROM ONE HOUR BETWEEN SEVEN AND NINE IN THE MORNING LOOKING AT 400 IN THAT PEAK HOUR THAT ONE HOUR BETWEEN FOUR AND SIX AND THEN JUST BECAUSE JUST KIND OF LOOK AT SATURDAY IT'S OBVIOUSLY A LOT MORE YOU'D HAVE A LOT MORE RETAIL AS YOU WOULD EXPECT FOR SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE 200,000 TRIPS AND THIS

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THERE IS A YOU KNOW THERE IS A FORMAL TRAFFIC STUDY THAT WILL BE REQUIRED AS IS IN THE STAFF COMMENTS THAT WOULD LOOK AT THIS THE ORIGINAL 2019 STUDY ASSUME THERE'S 200,000 SQUARE FEET OF COMMERCIAL IN THIS AREA AND THEN THAT WOULD BE UPDATED TO THE PROPOSED PLAN THAT'S REAL QUICK TRAFFIC IS HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AND I GUESS THE 24 POINTS EARLIER OF COURSE WE DO THE TRAFFIC STUDY WILL INCLUDE THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN DONE ON THE ONES THAT ARE I GUESS OR RECOMMENDED ALONG THE 170 CORRIDOR AS PART OF THE AECOM STUDY WE'LL LOOK AT WILL INCLUDE APPROVED DEVELOPMENTS WORK WITH STAFF AND APPROVE DEVELOPMENTS AND ALSO WORK WITH THE STAFF SOUTH CAROLINA DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION ON ACCESS POINTS AND SO IS IT A WRITE IN WRITE OUT IS IT A FULL ACCESS YOU KNOW AND HOW OPERATE BECAUSE THAT'S AS PART OF THE TRAFFIC STUDY WE'LL LOOK AT THE OUT OF THE OFF THE OFF SITE INTERSECTIONS AS WELL AS THE ON SITE INTERSECTIONS AND LOOK AT LEVEL SERVICE AND IDENTIFY WHAT IMPROVEMENTS TO BE DONE AS PART OF THAT. SO THAT'S WHAT THE TRAFFIC THE TRAFFIC SO IS DOING WITH THE CURRENT PLAN HAS A SERIES OF IMPROVEMENTS THAT ARE ASSOCIATED WITH THIS 200,000 SQUARE FEET OF COMMERCIAL YOU KNOW WHEN WE UPDATE IT WE'LL HAVE ANOTHER LIST OF AND WE'LL HAVE WHAT THE IMPROVEMENTS AT THE STUDY AREA INTERSECTIONS ASSOCIATED WITH THIS UPDATE TO THE HUD IS THERE A REASON WHY THIS WASN'T AVAILABLE THE PLANNING COMMISSION I MEAN IT HASN'T BEEN COMPLETED YET SO SCHOOLS JUST GOT BACK IN SESSION AND SO IT HASN'T IT HAS BEEN COMPLETED YET. JUST TO CLARIFY AND SO WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT IS YOUR WEEKDAY 7 TO 9 AND 4 TO 6 P.M. BECAUSE I THINK THE SCHOOLS GET OUT A LITTLE EARLIER THAN 46. SO GIVE ME A SENSE OF WHERE THE SCHOOL TRAFFIC INTO YOUR 7 TO 9 AND SO WE CAN DO WHAT YOU CAN DO AS WE WERE DOING YOU KNOW WE COULD DO A SCHOOL STUDY AS WELL THE TRIPS ASSOCIATED WITH THE DEVELOPMENT WILL LIKELY BE LOWER WHEN THE SCHOOL GETS OUT BUT WE WOULD DO THE TRAFFIC COUNTS TO INCLUDE THAT SCHOOL TIME PERIOD BASED ON THE PROXIMITY WE ARE TO IT. BUT GENERALLY WHEN SCHOOLS GET OUT THE COMMUTER TRAFFIC LOWER BUT THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING BECAUSE WE'RE SO CLOSE TO A SCHOOL WOULD LOOK AT THE SCHOOL PEAK HOURS WELL WE'VE HEARD DIFFERENT ABOUT THAT IN OUR LAST MEETING ABOUT HOW BACK UP AT OKATIE ELEMENTARY A PROFOUNDLY YOU KNOW THIS AREA OKAY SO THERE'S DIFFERENT SO THERE'S A DIFFERENCE BUT LET ME ANSWER THAT QUESTION SO I WAS KIND OF JUST ANSWERING GENERALLY THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A SCHOOL PEAK IN SCHOOL PEAK IN A IN A REGULAR PEAK THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING WE'LL STUDY BUT IN GENERAL ON THE THE ON THE OVERALL ROADWAY NETWORK TYPICALLY YOU'RE OFF OF 170 JUST IN JUST A MINUTE ANY ANYWHERE THAT'S NOT LIKE IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO THE SCHOOL YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE QUEUING PICK UP AND DROP OFF IDEALLY THAT'S GOING TO OCCUR ON THE SCHOOL SITE WITHIN THE SCHOOL SITE DOESN'T ALWAYS HAPPEN FOR SOME OF THE OLDER AND SO THAT'S WHY THE SOUTH CAROLINA DEPARTMENT TRANSPORTATION HAS THEM DO AS MUCH QUEUING ON SITE AS POSSIBLE SO IN THIS AREA IN PARTICULAR AND WE'VE LOOKED AT IT WITH COUNTY STAFF THE PAST IS YES WORK TO ELEMENTARY AREA THERE SOME THERE'S CONGESTION DURING PICK UP AND DROP OFF ON CHERRY POINT AND YOU KNOW WITH THE BUS CONNECTION THAT WILL HELP TO GET THAT A LITTLE BIT REDUCED THERE'S ALSO SOME OTHER IMPROVEMENTS THAT ARE PLANNED TO HELP TO START TO ADDRESS THAT.

SO WHILE THE LOCAL CONGESTION AROUND THE SCHOOL IS IS HIGHER YOU KNOW GENERALLY IN IN ONCE YOU START TO GET AWAY FROM THE SCHOOL YOUR COMMUTER PEAK IS STILL THE HIGHER PEAK DURING THE PEAK PERIOD SO WHILE WE LOOK AT BOTH THE SCHOOL WELL BECAUSE OF OUR CLOSENESS TO THE SCHOOL WE'LL LOOK AT BOTH AND OF COURSE WE TAKE THE CONGESTION IS OCCURRING INTO ACCOUNT WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT THE OPERATIONAL ANALYSIS BUT YOU HAVEN'T DONE THAT ANALYSIS YET. YES, CORRECT. THAT THAT THAT FORMAL TRAFFIC STUDY HAS NOT BEEN COMPLETED YET. THANKS.

YOU HAVE QUESTIONS GENERAL. THANK YOU. THANKS.

I WAS UP FOR A LONG TIME SO I'LL MAKE IT BRIEF. SO I GUESS NOW HOPEFULLY WE'VE EXPLAINED WHO WE ARE AS A COMPANY, WHAT IT IS WE'RE TRYING TO DO, WHO IT IS WE ARE TEAMING WITH IN ORDER TO ACCOMPLISH WHAT IT IS WE PROPOSE YOU.

HOPEFULLY WE HAVE CONVEYED THE BENEFIT TO THE COMMUNITY IN DOING SO.

SO I WOULD LIKE TO ASK YOUR SUPPORT FOR QUESTIONS TALKING AGAIN ALTER ESTHER CLOSE UP FOURTH WITH ANY FINAL EAGLE ORIENTED COMMENTS THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE AND I'LL TURN IT BACK TO YOU IF THAT'S ALL RIGHT. CHAIRMAN MY ONLY COMMENT I

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I MEAN IT JUST GOING TO HIT ME COLD. THE NUMBERS ON OF PICTURES FROM OUR STATE I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE HAD THAT AS WELL. WE'D LOVE TO HAVE A A COMPLETE TRANSPORTATION ANALYSIS DONE SO WE CAN SEE THE IMPACT WE'VE BEEN WITH THAT SECTION OF WHEN 17 SIR AND I SEE THE ADDITIONAL IMPACT WOULD HAVE BEEN VERY HELPFUL.

IT'S ABOUT TYPICALLY SPEAKING WE LEAVE THAT ON STAFF PROVIDE YOU WITH A COPY OF THE APPLICATION AND ADDITIVES THAT ARE NEW THAT CAN ACCOUNT FOR THAT BUT I WANTED MAKE SURE YOU HAD IT WHEN I FOUND OUT THAT THE WORK WAS AVAILABLE ONLINE AND UP I SAW THAT OUR APPLICATION WAS NOT INCLUDED THERE AND SO THAT'S WHY WE BROUGHT THE COPIES TUESDAY AND THEN ALSO IN READING THROUGH THE COMMENTS I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU HAD A SENSE OF INFORMATION THAT WE'VE TRIED TO SUPPLY ALONG THE WAY LIKE THE BEST QUESTIONS THAT HAVE COME UP. THAT'S TRUE. BUT YOU THAT'S WHY WE BROUGHT THAT TODAY AND PRIOR TO TUESDAY I WAS NOT AWARE YOU DIDN'T HAVE THAT INFORMATION.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. WALDROP THAT MR. BENNETT I'VE GOT I'VE BEEN PUTTING THIS QUESTION OFF BECAUSE I DIDN'T WANT TO INTERRUPT THE FLOW OF YOUR PRESENTATION. THANK YOU FOR DOING THAT ANYWAY SO, IN ANY EVENT I WANT TO TOUCH A BIT ON THE STAFF'S KIND OF OVERARCHING POINT ABOUT WE START OUT WITH THE PD THAT I HAVEN'T HAD THE BENEFIT OF SEEING THE ORIGINAL PLAN BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE WAS A PLAN THAT WAS TRULY MIXED USE IT HAD TO THEY A MUCH BROADER VARIETY OF RESIDENTIAL TYPES INCLUDED IT AND THEN OVER TIME THE LAM GETS CHOPPED UP TO A KIND OF SINGLE USE DEVELOPER'S IN THAT WHOLE KIND OF CONCEPT OF A TRUE MIXED TENDS TO START TO BREAK APART.

I KNOW WHAT WE REFER TO THIS AS MIXED USE IN MY MIND IT HAS A MIX OF USES BUT IT'S PRETTY EUCLIDEAN IN TERMS OF ITS LAYOUT YOU'VE GOT THERE'S A PART OF COMMERCIAL BUT PART OF MULTIFAMILY HERE IS OVER SINGLE FAMILY OVER AND I KNOW ONE OF THE CONCERNS I HAD LOOKING AT THE 20,000 SQUARE FEET OF COMMERCIAL IS THAT IT COMES ACROSS AS SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO BE TO COMMERCIAL LOTS THEY GET SOLD OFF FOR POTENTIALLY TWO USES AND IT DOESN'T REALLY HAVE MUCH THAT I CAN SEE IN THE WAY OF CONNECTIVITY THE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL PORTION WHICH I KNOW IS IN YOUR AND IT SOUNDS LIKE PULTE CHANGED A LOT OF THINGS TO THE ORIGINAL PD THAT MAYBE WOULD KEPT PART OF THAT ORIGINAL KIND OF MIXED USE FEEL TO IT SO I'M JUST TRYING TO GET A SENSE IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU'RE APARTMENT DEVELOPERS THAT PART OF THE REASON WHY THERE ISN'T MORE VARIETY OF RESIDENTIAL USE OPPORTUNITY AS IT'S BEING PROPOSED OR CAN YOU AT LEAST KIND OF TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE CONCERNS? WELL, TO BE HONEST FROM MY EXPERIENCE THOSE ARE GREAT QUESTIONS BUT FROM MY EXPERIENCE FOR SALE PRODUCTS AND RENTAL PRODUCTS THERE TO EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE BOTH RESIDENTIAL WHEN YOU LOOK AT HOW THE INDIVIDUALS AND THE FIRMS THAT ARE PROVIDING THOSE PRODUCTS 99 TIMES OUT OF 100 YOU'RE GOING TO FIND BUSINESS.

PULTE OR D.R. HORTON THEY PROVIDE FOR SALE PRODUCTS. THEY REALLY DON'T GET IT LARGELY BUILDING RENTAL PROPERTIES WHEREAS IF YOU HAVE A DEVELOPER WHO IS A RENTAL PROJECT WON'T FIND THEM VERY OFTEN VENTURING INTO SALE TO DIFFERENT DISCIPLINES, DIFFERENT PROFIT STRUCTURES AND SO YOU DON'T TYPICALLY FIND DEVELOPERS THAT IN AND WILL SELL PRODUCT ON A 17 ACRE SITE LIKE THIS THAT'S SOMETHING BECAUSE I DON'T IF THAT SOUNDS LARGE OR SMALL BUT FROM A DEVELOPMENT PERSPECTIVE IN TERMS OF TRYING TO CREATE A MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT IT'S VERY SMALL REAL OPPORTUNITY TO CREATE THE MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT THAT. AH THE ORIGINAL PLAN WAS WHEN IT WAS A PART OF 145 ACRES SITE CHANGES THAT HAVE OCCURRED SINCE THEN FRANKLY THEY PROHIBIT THAT FROM HAPPENING AND I'VE SAID IN YOUR POSITION CHAIRMAN OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION WHAT PAST LIFE I UNDERSTAND THOSE THOUGHTS AND DESIRES GIVING YOU THE VANTAGE POINT OF THAT.

I THINK THAT THE TO CREATE THE DEVELOPMENT IN 228 THAT'S LONG GONE BY VIRTUE OF ALL THE

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THAT WAS ESSENTIALLY THE START OF THE GREAT RECESSION LARGEST DOWNTURN IN THE ECONOMY PROBABLY IN MOST OF OUR LIFETIMES OR IN OUR LIFETIMES. SO A LOT OF DEVELOPMENTS THAT WERE CONTEMPLATED IN 2008 NEVER CAME TO FRUITION IS OBVIOUSLY ONE I THINK WALTER REFERENCED EARLIER A COUPLE OF OTHERS THAT ACTUALLY FAILED I THINK MAYBE EVEN ONE OF WHICH THE COUNTY ENDED UP BUYING THE PROPERTY, YOU KNOW, CHANGING MULTIPLE TIMES.

I CAN'T FOR THAT. ALL I CAN ACCOUNT FOR TODAY IS WHAT WE HAVE IS A 17 ACRE PIECE OF PROPERTY AS I THINK WE PUT IT TO GOOD USE. I THINK AS MARK INDICATED THOUGHT IT WAS A VERY GOOD SITE PLAN AND THE REAL NEED IN COMMUNITY IS PRIORITIES IS THE CREATION OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING . WE THINK WE HAVE A TREMENDOUS OPPORTUNITY TO DO THAT IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE PROPOSALS THAT ARE PART OF OUR PLAN.

I THINK ERIC MENTIONED THAT WE'RE PUTTING IN ROUGHLY TWO MILES OF SIDEWALKS INCLUDING ALONG THE CONNECTOR ROAD, OUR SIDE OF THE CONNECTOR ROUTE THEN ALL THE WAY OVER TO THE SCHOOLS SO THAT THERE IS THAT CONNECTED TO THE EXTENT THAT WE CAN CREATE IT IN THAT AT OUR EXPENSE OR TO FACILITATE NOT JUST THE PEDESTRIAN CONNECTIVITY WITHIN OUR DEVELOPMENT BUT SO THAT OUR DEVELOPMENT CAN REACH THE COMMERCIAL SPACE IN NEW ENGLAND THAT WANT TO COME OUT AND WALK TO THE GIUSEPPE'S PIZZA THAT'S GOING TO BE ON SITE THEY CAN DO THAT AND WE WOULD INVITE THEM TO DO THAT WE WANT OUR CHILDREN TO BE ABLE WALK SAFELY OVER TO OKATIE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL WE'RE PUTTING MORE SIDEWALKS IN ORDER TO MAKE THAT EVERYTHING WE CAN CREATE THAT CONNECTIVITY THAT WE BELIEVE REMAINS POSSIBLE WITH MORE OF IT DIFFERENTLY THAN WAS SHOWN IN 2000 ONE TO BUILD OFF THAT JOHN JUST TO KIND OF GET BACK TO AND ON STAFFS THING IS IS THAT AGAIN THIS COMES DOWN TO THERE ARE 17 ACRES LEFT WE HAVE AN ORIGINAL PLAN THAT CALLS FOR A CERTAIN USE I THINK EVERYBODY CAN AGREE THAT AFFORDABLE HOUSING NECESSARY HOW DO YOU ACHIEVE AFFORDABLE HOUSING IS IS IT DO YOU DO THE WHOLE THING AS APARTMENTS AND LET DAVE DEVELOP THE WHOLE THING WITH SOME PORTIONS OF COMMERCIAL OR DO YOU ALSO LOOK AT SAYING ALL RIGHT, WELL MAYBE WE DO HALF OF IT AS APARTMENTS AND THE OTHER HALF OR A PORTION OF OUR COMMERCIAL AND SOME OF IT AS FAR AS SIMPLE TOWNS AND DUPLEXES HE MIGHT NOT GET INTO THAT BUSINESS BUT SOMEBODY WILL BUY THAT AND BUILD THAT.

LIKE YOU SAID, IT WILL BE A FOR SALE PERSON. THESE ARE THIS IS THE STUFF THE COUNTY NEEDS TO BE THINKING ABOUT AND TALKING ABOUT. NOBODY DISAGREES THAT AFFORDABLE HOUSING IS AN IMPORTANT IT'S WHAT'S THE RIGHT TYPE, WHAT'S THE BEST MIX OF IT AND HOW DOES THE COUNTY MOVE FORWARD NOT ON THIS JUST THIS SITE BUT JUST IN GENERAL THIS IS THE CONVERSATION FOR THIS SITE BUT FOR THE COUNTY AS A THE ONLY THING THAT I WOULD ADD TO THAT CHAIRMAN IS GENERALLY SPEAKING WHEN YOU ARE RUNNING AN APARTMENT DEVELOPMENT THERE'S A AN IMPORTANT THRESHOLD IN TERMS OF THE NUMBER OF APARTMENTS IN THE DEVELOPMENT IN ORDER TO MAKE THE BEST ECONOMIC SENSE OUT OF YOUR NUMBERS ELEMENT WORK BECAUSE WHAT WE'RE WORKING WITH HERE IS VERY CHALLENGING RENT OUR BUILDING COSTS OR APARTMENTS THAT ARE AT 80% IN MY APARTMENT THAT ARE BETWEEN 8200 TERMS 20% AMI THEY'RE NO DIFFERENT THAN THE MARKET BUT WE'RE CHARGING A LOT LESS RENT SO MAXIMIZING THE EFFICIENCIES OF YOUR OPERATIONS IS ABSOLUTELY CRITICAL. ABLE TO MAKE YOUR SOURCES USES FUNDS BALANCE ONLY HAVE SO MANY SOURCES THAT YOU CAN CHAIN THAT LOWER REVENUE STREAM APARTMENTS BECAUSE YOU ARE RESTRICTING THEM TO AMI LEVELS THAT WE'VE BEEN DISCUSSING AND LIKE TO ADD TO THAT THERE MANY MANY THERE ARE SEVERAL FINANCING PROGRAMS AND INCENTIVES AVAILABLE FOR HOUSEHOLDS FOR APARTMENTS HOUSEHOLDS AT 60% OR LESS THERE ARE NONE FOR HOUSEHOLDS BETWEEN 8020 PERCENT AND. SO ANY SAVINGS THAT WE'RE PROVIDING AND THOSE APARTMENTS

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MR. CHAIRMAN. THANK YOU, WALTER. MR..

AGAIN AT THE BEGINNING OF THE MEETING YOU DID SAY THAT THIS IS A RECOMMENDATION THAT THE MATTER'S BEFORE THE COMMISSION THIS EVENING FOR A RECOMMENDATION AND WE APPRECIATE THAT AND WE ASK THAT AGAIN ALTHOUGH YOU DIDN'T HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK AT THOSE NINE ELEMENTS FOR YOUR RECOMMENDATION, WE ASK THAT YOU USE THOSE AS PART OF YOUR CONSIDERATION FOR RECOMMENDATION AND AS MR. DAVIS INDICATED EARLIER, THERE IS A DEVELOPMENT COMPONENT AND SO THAT'S WITH COUNTY COUNCIL AND SO IN OF THE FIVE ACRE SITE AND THOSE THOSE CONTRACTUAL THOSE ARE STILL OUT THERE AND THOSE CAN STILL BE NEGOTIATED.

WE ASK THAT TRAFFIC SIDE OR ALL THOSE THINGS THAT ARE IN THE BACK OF YOUR MIND BUT ARE NOT THINGS THAT YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO CONSIDER WHEN LOOKING AT THAT THE NINE ELEMENTS THAT THE RECOMMENDATION THAT YOU REMEMBER THAT THOSE THINGS ARE GOING TO GO TO COUNT COUNTY COUNCIL AND THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT WHICH IS A CONTRACT BETWEEN THE LANDOWNER THE AND THE COUNTY THOSE THINGS WILL GET DEVELOPED. I'M GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE BUT WE VERY MUCH APPRECIATE THE TIME THAT YOU SPENT IN CONSIDERING THIS THIS EVENING QUESTIONS. MR.. MR..

SALMOND OWNER IS LCP THREE LLC G NATHAN DUGGAN'S YES MAN OKAY. AND THE APPLICANT IS ERIC WILSON WHICH WOULDN'T PARTNERS YOU SIR AND THEN THE DEVELOPERS MR. BENNETT AND THEN THE SERVE GROUP HAS BEEN MENTIONED SEVERAL TIMES MR. BENNETT YOU SAID A REPRESENTATIVE FROM SERVICE HERE AND YOU'VE ALSO TALKED ABOUT KIND OF I DON'T KNOW SUBSIDIES OR EXTRAS LIKE TO BUILD THE CLUBHOUSE AND SO ON. COULD YOU COULD YOU CLARIFY THE SERVE GROUPS IF THAT GENTLEMAN'S HERE IF I'M NOT PUTTING THAT PERSON ON THE SPOT, I'LL PROBABLY PUT THEM ON THE SPOT AND BE PREPARED FOR WELL YOU'RE THE ONE WHO BROUGHT IT UP, SIR. AND I THINK THE GENTLEMAN FROM SEARHC I THINK THAT GROUP IS THE LARGEST EMPLOYER ON HILTON HEAD. AM I RIGHT? THAT'S CORRECT. ALAN WOLFE, PRESIDENT SURGERIES GROUP I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE BUT TO SAY THE LEAST ARE VERY INTERESTED IN 170 CORRIDOR AS WELL AS NORTHERN COUNTY HAVE BEEN FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS. YOU SEE A BIT OF A RESTAURANT DESSERT ON 170 MY SONS THAT JUMP ON TO CATHOLIC SCHOOL VERY NEARBY SO I'M AWARE THERE'S NOT A LOT OF OPTIONS SO WE'RE VERY INTERESTED IN THE SITE AND WE HAVE 15 DIFFERENT RESTAURANTS ALL HAVE INDIVIDUAL PARTNERSHIP GROUPS AND A NUMBER OF CONCEPTS ARE INTERESTED WHETHER IT BE BARBECUE OR PIZZA AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO BACK IF THE OPPORTUNITY PRESENTED ITSELF TO PUT ONE OF OUR CONCEPTS THERE. SO LET'S I'M JUST GOING TO GO BACK HERE SO THE STAFF DOES NOT SUPPORT ACCORDING THE DOCUMENT I HAVE THE MASTER PLAN AMENDMENT SUBMITTED BECAUSE THE APPLICANT PROPOSES ALL OF THE UNITS AS APARTMENT AND NOT ALL OF THEM AS AFFORDABLE.

SO STAFF DOES NOT SUPPORT THAT CONCEPT. SIR GROUP HAS PURCHASED LAND AND APARTMENT BUILDINGS ON HILTON HEAD AM I CORRECT ON THE SOUTH IN SOME OF THE RESTAURANTS I AM RIGHT. SO DO YOU FEEL THAT THAT YOUR ORGANIZATION AS A FOR PROFIT NOT A NONPROFIT GROUP IS INTERESTED IN SUBSIDIZING OR HELPING A AFFORDABLE HOUSING DEVELOPER MAYOR BENNETT IN OUR SUBSIDIES GIVE BE DIRECTED DIRECTLY TOWARDS OUR EMPLOYEES I WOULD ASSUME THAT MOST EMPLOYERS WOULD TAKE THAT YOU KNOW THE COST OF DIRT IN COUNTY IS INCREDIBLY HIGH SO DEVELOPERS HAVE A HARD TIME FINDING THE REASON TO MAKE A SUBSIDY. BUT THE EMPLOYERS ON THE OTHER HAND HAVE EVERY REASON TO MAKE THAT OUR EMPLOYEES CAN LIVE THERE. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT ATTRACTS ME ABOUT THIS MODEL IS THE AFFORDABILITY AND MORE IMPORTANTLY THE VARIETY OF INCOMES THAT WOULD BE INCLUDED IN THIS PRODUCT BECAUSE EVERY SUCCESSFUL HOUSING REAL COMPLEX USUALLY HAS A MIXED USE OF INCOMES. IT'S NOT SPECIFIC TO JUST ONE

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OKAY. THANK YOU. I'VE GOT SOME PUBLIC COMMENTS FOR THE PUBLIC COMMENT SECTION . I'LL READ YOUR NAME AND IF YOU WOULD COME UP AND AGAIN INTRODUCE YOURSELF AND YOUR LOCATION WOULD BE HELPFUL OKAY.

HERE WE GO. JULIA FERRIGNO HELLO. HI MY NAME IS JULISSA RIGHT NOW AND I LIVE UP TO SEVEN FOUR DANNER DRIVE AND MARLIN BLUFF IN ORDER TO BE RESPECTFUL OF YOUR TIME, I'M HERE TODAY TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF THE RESIDENTS MARLIN BLUFF AS NEEDED WITH THIS PROJECT A LITTLE OVER A YEAR AGO RESPECTFULLY REQUEST THAT YOU DO NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THIS REZONING REQUEST. THE RESIDENTS OF MARLIN BLUFF ARE CURRENT AND RETIRED TEACHERS POLICE OFFICERS, ACTIVE DUTY AND RESERVE MARINES ,CIVIL SERVANTS, CIVIL SERVANTS AND OTHER IMPORTANT AND ESSENTIAL WORKERS THE COMMUNITY WE ARE PARENTS AND GRANDPARENTS AND. WE HAVE A LOT OF NEW FAMILIES WITH LOTS OF SMALL CHILDREN MORE ON THE WAY AND PERSONALLY AS THE WIFE OF THE SCHOOL COUNSELOR I WOULD ARGUE THAT WE ARE THE MISSING MIDDLE. WE HAVE THREE MAIN POINTS WE'D LIKE TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT TODAY. THE FIRST IS TROPIC CITY.

THE SECOND IS SCHOOL IMPACT AND THE THIRD IS THE PROMISE OF A WORK LED PLAY A MIXED USE COMMUNITY FIRST TROPIC I JUST GOING TALK TO YOU ABOUT TROPIC CITY IN A MOMENT HOWEVER FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION WHAT THEY ALREADY HEARD IS TROPIC AND SAFETY SITUATION THAT EXISTS.

WE WOULD LIKE YOU TO CONSIDER THE FACT THAT DIRECTLY ACROSS ONE OF 74 MAINLAND BLUFF IN THE CITY OF HARTSVILLE AND ALREADY UNDERWAY IS THE URGENCY OF WHETHER YOU PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT OF 300 LEASABLE APARTMENT HOME SITES ON THE SOUTH SOUTHWEST OF THE INTERSECTION OF 170 IN SHORTCUT ROAD NEXT SCHOOL IN FACT THESE ARE COUNTY SCHOOL DISTRICT HAS ALREADY TOLD YOU THAT THE SCHOOL SYSTEM CANNOT SUPPORT THIS DEVELOPMENT AND PARENTS OF CHILDREN ATTENDING SCHOOLS WE AGREE MIXED USE COMMUNITY WHEN WE WERE BUYING OUR PROPERTY IN BLUFF WE WERE PROMISED THAT IT WOULD BE A WORK LED PLAY WALKABLE COMMUNITY WHERE WE COULD LIVE IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, ENJOY THE AMENITIES ON THE RIVER AND WALK TO SHOPS, RESTAURANTS AND RETAIL AT THE FRONT WE DID SO WITH THE CONFIDENCE AND REASONING THAT OUR COUNTY GOVERNMENT WOULD UPHOLD THE CURRENT ZONING TO ALLOW US THIS QUALITY OF LIFE. SINCE THE INCEPTION OF THIS PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT IN 2008 WE WERE ALWAYS CONTEMPLATED AS A MIXED COMMERCIAL COMMUNITY.

THE MASTER AGREEMENT WAS MODIFIED IN 2013 AND IN 2019 AND BOTH TIMES THE DEVELOPER STAFF EXTOLL THE VIRTUES OF A LIVE WORK PLAY ENVIRONMENT. BOTH THE BLUFF AND RIVER OAKS DEPEND ON THAT COMMERCIAL TO CREATE THE MIXED USE AREA PROMISED AND REQUIRED.

BELLEVUE PURCHASED THE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY AND BEGAN CONSTRUCTION IN 2020.

THERE IS A SIGN RIGHT IN FRONT OF OUR GATE ADVERTISING THE SITE PLAN FOR THE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT TO COME BUT WE ALL BELIEVE WE'RE BUYING INTO A NEIGHBORHOOD WITH THE ABILITY TO WALK TO THIS COMMERCIAL AREA AND NOT HAVE TO DRIVE ON TO ONCE AGAIN TO GO OUT TO EAT OR GO SHOPPING TAKING THIS FEATURE AWAY AFTER HALF OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD BOUGHT HOMES UNDER THIS PRETENSE WOULD BE UNFAIR AND WRONG. IN SUMMARY THIS ANY CHANGE WOULD BE IRRESPONSIBLE. THERE ARE SEVERAL REASONS TO VOTE AGAINST THIS MEASURE BUT NOT A SINGLE REASON TO VOTE FOR IT. THE AREA 170 IS BEING BUILT IN A HAPHAZARD WAY AND IMPROVING THE CITY CHANGE WOULD JUST ADD TO THE UNRULY DEVELOPMENT.

PLEASE TAKE A STEP BACK AND THINK ABOUT WHAT IS BEST FOR THIS COMMUNITY.

IT'S A FOCUS SAFETY WITH INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENT AND A BETTER BALANCE OF ZONING TO ALLOW FOR A BETTER QUALITY OF LIFE FOR ALL RESIDENTS IN THE AREA.

PLEASE KEEP US SAFE AND ALLOW US TO LIVE, WORK AND PLAY IN THIS WHICH WE LOVE SO MUCH.

AND WITH MY 5 SECONDS REMAINING OR OVERTIME I'M SO SORRY I JUST WANT TO ASK THAT SORT OF GROUP CONSIDER THE FACT THAT IF THERE WAS MORE COMMERCIAL SPACE THERE WOULD BE MORE OPPORTUNITIES FOR MORE OF HIS RESTAURANTS. THANK YOU YOU. THANK YOU GREGORY SAME TO MAMA.

THE DEMAND BUILDING, MR. CHAIRMAN OUR COMMISSION RECENTLY MOVING OVER TO 64 MAN AND WOLF DRIVE AND I A PART OF THE MISSING MIDDLE THAT MR. BENNETT REFERRED TO REFER TO MY NOTES YOU SAID THIS WAS A KISS ME GOODBYE. SHE WAS WILLING TO GO TO WORK.

MY DAUGHTER HAS BEEN DRIVING FOR SIX YEARS RECENTLY MOVED HERE FROM PHILADELPHIA.

SHE HAD EXPERIENCE DRIVING SOME OF THE WORST HIGHWAYS IN THE COUNTRY SUCH AS THE GOOGLE EXPRESSWAY, I-95 AND THESE ARE TO BE MORE OF THE PHILADELPHIA AREA EVERY TIME SHE LIVES ARE

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I KNOW THOSE STUDENTS WERE REALIZED MY RACIAL MY DAUGHTER HAD BEEN INVOLVED IN AN ACCIDENT WHEN I SAID WHAT DO YOU MEAN SOME OF THE AND WHAT DID YOU SEE? YOU SEE MY DAUGHTER BLUE COLOR AND IT THE NEIGHBORS WOULD STOP TO HELP HER THE VEHICLE WAS SITTING IT WAS EVEN 70 TOTALLY DESTROYED I MY DAUGHTER TO THE EMERGENCY ROOM WHERE SHE WAS TREATED AND THE PHYSICAL INJURIES HAVE SINCE HEALED. HOWEVER TO THIS DAY SHE'S AN EMOTIONAL WRECK AND AFTER MY WELFARE I HAVE TO DRIVE TO DO THE WORK OR SCHOOL THE LEVEL TRAFFIC IN THIS AREA THAT IS REFERRED TO AS THE TRIANGLE IS ANY DANGEROUS CONDITIONS FOR MY WIFE AND I HAVE SEEN THE MANY YEARS OF LIVING AND WORKING IN PHILADELPHIA TO ADD AN ADDITIONAL TWO UNITS TO THE FRONT OF THAT DEVELOPMENT NOT ONLY ADDS TO INCREASED TRAFFIC AND AN EXCELLENT DEVELOPMENT BUT IT INCREASES IT 24 HOURS A DAY, SEVEN DAYS A WEEK AN ADDITIONAL TO THE SCENE OF THIS DEVELOPMENT IS OVERWHELMING SOMEBODY A DEATH SENTENCE BECAUSE SOMEBODY IS GOING TO GET KILLED. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU. BRADLEY TERRENCE, WE REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR TIME ON BRADLEY TERRENCE 83 DINNER DRIVE. I LIKE TO SHARE THAT MY GRANDFATHER TAUGHT ME EARLY ON THAT A MAN ONLY AS GOOD AS HIS WORD INCLUDING THE COMMITMENT TO THIS ORDER TO MAXIMIZE PROFIT GOES TO GREAT PRINCIPLE THAT MY GRANDDAD TAUGHT ME.

I'M NOT HERE TO DISCUSS BROKEN PROMISES THOUGH. I'M SIMPLY HERE TO SPEAK TO YOU AS A 23 YEAR VETERAN EDUCATOR WHO BELIEVES EDUCATION IS THE VEHICLE TO CREATE A MORE CIVIL AND JUST SOCIETY. I DEDICATE MY ENTIRE LIFE TO SERVING POOR AND LOW INCOME FAMILIES ESPECIALLY WITH AFFORDABLE I'VE BEEN IN CONTACT WITH A DIFFERENT KIND OF SCHOOL DISTRICT AND THEY ARE ADAMANTLY AGAINST THIS PROPOSAL. WELL OKATIE ELEMENTARY IS CURRENTLY FULL. OUR NEIGHBORHOOD IS APPROXIMATELY 70% BUILT AT THIS TIME. WE HAVE MORE FAMILIES MOVING IN EVERY DAY.

JOHN HATTIE IS A GREAT RESEARCHER AND AN EDUCATOR AND LOOKS AT THE EFFECT SIZE OF DIFFERENT IMPACTS ON EDUCATION THE TOP SIDE OF SUCCESS IS CLASSROOM SIZE.

WE WILL MAXIMIZE THE OKATIE ELEMENTARY RIGHT NOW THERE ARE NO SEATS.

THERE ARE NO MORE DESKS FOR KIDS TO SIT AT THIS MOMENT. A COUNTRY THAT WAS STATED EARLIER THERE WASN'T IT WASN'T THAT IT WASN'T THE FROM WHAT IT WAS DIRECTLY OUTSIDE OUR NEIGHBORHOOD WHERE A CAR WAS SUPPOSE ON WHY EVERYBODY WAS WAS LATE I APOLOGIZE IF MISTAKES CANNOT BE HEARD FOR THAT THEN THE SCHOOL REFERENDUM AS WELL THAT IS COMING OUT IT'S CURRENTLY NOT ADDRESSING OKATIE CAPACITY LEVEL EITHER IT IS LOOKING FOR STUFF BLUFFTON TO BE ABLE TO BUILD UP. I ASK YOU TO PLEASE PLEASE DENY THIS AND ALLOW OUR CHILDREN THE FUTURE TO BE TO HAVE A STRONG EDUCATION IN A SAFE PLACE. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU. GEORGE SHRUM RATHER LEAVING MY NAME IS GEORGE SCHRAM I LIVE AT 353 DANNER DRIVE AND REALLY WHAT YOU'RE HEARING TONIGHT FROM A LOT OF THE RESIDENTS IS A CONCERN ABOUT THE QUALITY OF LIFE AND QUITE FRANKLY I AM CONCERNED AS WELL WE'VE LIVED HERE FOR 23 YEARS. I CAME FROM NEW JERSEY WHERE WE EXPERIENCED A TERRIBLE QUALITY OF LIFE BECAUSE OF THE DENSITY OF TRAFFIC IN OUR HOMES AND THE LIKE AND EVER SINCE WE'VE BEEN HERE IT JUST SEEMS TO BE GETTING WORSE AND WORSE.

THE COMMENTS FROM THE GENTLEMAN FROM PHILADELPHIA JUST REFLECTS OUR CONCERN.

THERE WAS A TRAFFIC PUT AT THE INTERSECTION OF RIVERBEND. WE FIRST CAME HERE, WE LIVED IN

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DOES THAT MAKE ANY SENSE? IT DOESN'T TO ME AT ALL. BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THE DENSITY OF THE TRAFFIC, IT'S UNBELIEVABLE. THE OTHER THING I REALLY DON'T UNDERSTAND IS WHAT AFFORDABLE HOUSING IS GOING TO HELP THE COUNTY IF IT'S ONLY GOING TO PUT PEOPLE ON THE ROAD TO GET TO HILTON HEAD OR TO BEAUFORT, SO LONG PLACE TO PUT AFFORDABLE AFFORDABLE HOUSING HAS TO BE THE PLACE WHERE THE JOBS ARE YOU KNOW JOBS IN OKATIE IT'S A IT SHOULD BE RURAL ENVIRONMENT. THAT'S WHAT IT WAS REALLY INTENDED TO BE AS FAR AS CONCERNED AND TO PUT JOBS PUT PEOPLE AT RISK HAVING TO TAKE AN HOUR AND GET JUST TO THEIR JOB AS. THE GENTLEMAN FROM SURGE IF THAT'S REALLY THE COMMUNITY THAT HE WANTS TO HAVE EVERY MORNING TO GET TO HIS JOB IN A RESTAURANT TAKING AN HOUR OR MORE TO THERE WE ARE CHOKED BY TRAFFIC TO 78 IF YOU LOOK AT MAY RIVER ROAD, THE LOFTON PARKWAY THEY'RE ALL CHOKED AND WE HAVE TO TIME THE THE PART OF THE DAY THAT WE'RE GOING TO LEAVE OUR HOUSE TO GET TO A OR TO GET TO GET TO A FACILITY OR SOME DOCTOR IT JUST MAKES NO SENSE SO. I ASK YOU TO CONSIDER CAREFULLY WHAT IS THIS IS ALL ABOUT.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THAT'S THE END OF PUBLIC COMMENTS. I HAVE NO OTHERS. MANY OTHERS CAME UP BECAUSE NO . ALL RIGHT. I THINK IT'S TIME FOR A AMONG THE COMMISSIONERS AND COMMENTS QUESTIONS ANYTHING YOU'D LIKE TO SAY TO START THIS? WELL, I UNDERSTAND IT'S SMALLER THAN OTHER DEVELOPMENTS IN THIS AREA.

WE'VE DEALT WITH 17.2 ACRES BUT I THINK THE SAME ISSUES ABOUT ACCESS TO 170 AND INTERNAL TRAFFIC ISSUES APPLY AND I HAVEN'T SEEN THOSE TO MY KNOWLEDGE TO MY SATISFACTION SUFFICIENTLY ADDRESSED MAYBE THE TRAFFIC, THE TYPE FOLKS NEED MORE TIME I DON'T KNOW.

I'M QUITE CONCERNED ABOUT THE SCHOOL DISTRICT ISSUE. IT HASN'T BEEN BROUGHT UP HERE TONIGHT BUT THERE IS NO GUARANTEE THAT SCHOOL BOND ISSUE IS GOING TO BE PASSED BY THE COUNTY. I MEAN ANY OF THIS UP BEFORE AND EVEN IF IT DOES THERE'S NOTHING RIGHT AND IT'S NOTHING AS THE GENTLEMAN SAID THERE'S NOTHING IN OKATIE SO THAT'S LIKE A ISSUE TO ME ALSO. SO THOSE ARE TWO THINGS THAT I'M QUITE CONCERNED ABOUT.

I LOVE YOUR COMPANY. WELL, I THINK YOU HAVE REFLECTED MY THOUGHTS EXACTLY.

WE WERE ASKED IN A SIMILAR DEVELOPMENT HERE JUST FEW A MONTH OR TWO AGO AND THE SAME ISSUES APPLY THE SCHOOL SITUATION SOUNDS UNTENABLE IF IF IF THERE'S AN AVERAGE OF ONE OR ONE AND A HALF CHILDREN PER UNIT HERE WE'RE LOOKING TWO OR 300 ADDITIONAL CHILDREN AND WHERE WILL THEY ATTEND SCHOOL? DOESN'T SOUND LIKE THE LIKELIHOOD THAT THE TAX WILL PASS AND YET THAT COMES THIS NOVEMBER AND I THINK IN NOVEMBER WE MAY HAVE A BETTER IDEA OF WHAT THE SCHOOL SITUATION WOULD BE AND WE ALL KNOW ABOUT THE TRAFFIC AND THOSE TWO ISSUES LOOM LARGE IN REVIEW OF ANY POTENTIAL GROWTH .

THE GROWTH HAS BEEN USED UP OR THE INFRASTRUCTURE HAS BEEN USED UP BY THE GROWTH AND UNTIL THERE IS MORE INFRASTRUCTURE I HESITATE TO SAY WHAT IMPACT OF THE POPULATION AND THE IMPACT ON SCHOOLS AND INFRASTRUCTURE WOULD BE WITH THIS ADDITIONAL GOVERNMENT.

THANK YOU AND MARK BRINGS A GOOD GOOD VERY GOOD POINT ABOUT YOU KNOW WE NEED AFFORDABLE HOUSING WHERE ARE WE GOING TO PUT IT AND THE ANSWER IS NOT HERE BECAUSE OF THE SCHOOL, BECAUSE OF THE TRAFFIC, BECAUSE OF A BUNCH OF DIFFERENT REASONS YOU KNOW, IT JUST DOESN'T MAKE

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SO IT IS FRUSTRATING TO TRY TO BALANCE THESE INFRASTRUCTURE ISSUES THAT IN MANY WAYS ARE OUT OF OUR CONTROL. I THINK THE STAFF'S POINT YOU KNOW, WE'RE DOWN TO THE LAST ACRES IN SOME WAYS I ALMOST FEEL LIKE THE THE HORSE IS OUT OF THE BARN IN TERMS OF DECISIONS TO HAVE PRESERVED AND MAINTAINED WITH THE INTENT OF THAT ORIGINAL PD WORD WE LOST OVER MERE CHANGES OPPORTUNITIES TO REALLY HAVE THIS TRUE MIX OF TYPES ON THE ORIGINAL PD I THINK IT WAS THE WORD I SEE IT 221 MULTIFAMILY YOU'RE PROPOSING 228 SO SO FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE NOT THAT BIG OF A CHANGE IT JUST HAPPENS TO ALL COME DOWN TO THIS LAST 17 ACRES AND NOW WHAT MAKES MAKE SENSE I'M NOT NECESSARILY CONVINCED ANYMORE THE 207,000 SQUARE FEET IS THE RIGHT ANSWER . BUT I'M ALSO HAVEN'T BEEN CONVINCED TONIGHT THAT 20,000 SQUARE FEET OF COMMERCIAL SPACE IS APPROACHING WHAT WAS PROMISED TO THE RESIDENTS OF MAINLAND BLUFF IN TERMS OF WHAT TO EXPECT ON THAT DEVELOPMENT. SO I'VE GOT A LOT OF THOUGHTS BUT I'M NOT NECESSARILY SURE WHERE I'M PULLING ON THIS. IT'S SORT OF LIKE A ROCK AND A HARD PLACE.

IS THERE IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO DIRECT A QUESTION TO MARC. WELL LIKE TO MAKE A COMMENT YOUR VIEW THAT OF FOR ME THERE WERE THINGS THAT WERE MISSING THAT ARE YOU KNOW LEAVING ME UNCERTAIN TERMS OF WHETHER THIS APPLICATION COMPLETE FOR ME HAVING SEEN THIS THE FIRST TIME AND THE RESPONSES STAFF'S QUESTIONS I'M I DON'T KNOW WHAT I'M MISSING AND I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WOULD HELP ME CLARIFY MY UNDERSTANDING WAS BEING PROPOSED OR NOT IT'S JUST MISSING ME WHAT'S MISSING FOR ME SECONDLY IS A COMPLETE TIRE ANALYSIS THAT REINTERPRETS WHAT WAS DEVELOPED IN 2019. HERE WE ARE IN 2023 AND ALL OF THAT COMPLEXITY BECAUSE THAT CORRIDOR AS HAS BEEN SAID SEVERAL TIMES FROM REALLY FROM TO 78 ON UP TO 62 IS A MESS AND

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I KNOW THAT AREA IS IS A MESS SO THAT'S MISSING FOR ME. THE THIRD THING THAT'S MISSING FOR ME IS I UNDERSTAND THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IF I MAY BE INCORRECT ABOUT THIS NUMBER THERE WAS AN ESTIMATE OF 3000 AFFORDABLE HOUSING UNITS THAT WERE NEEDED BEAUFORT COUNTY AND I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S THE NEXT FIVE YEARS NEXT TEN YEARS OR JUST WHAT PERIOD OF TIME THE NUMBER OF BEING PROPOSED HERE IS NOT SIGNIFICANT TO THAT NUMBER WHICH IS I'M SURE GROWING AT THIS POINT AS INCOMES AS PRICES GO UP HOMES PRICES UP, RENTS GO UP.

WHAT'S AFFORDABLE IS ACTUALLY BEING AS SAID IN HILTON HEAD TURNED OVER TO SOMETHING ELSE THEY'RE LOSING THE AFFORDABLE APARTMENTS FOR THE SAKE OF REVENUE AND INCREASED RENTS SO THAT'S GOOD THAT'S NOT A BIG DEBT WE'RE IN AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND I FIND IT JUST IT'S CONCERNING THERE'S A STRONG DISAGREEMENT BETWEEN THE COUNTY AND DEVELOPERS AS TO WHAT IS CONSIDERED AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND THE LEGACY OF THE 80% OF THEM HAS BEEN THE FIGURE THAT WE'VE ALL BEEN TARGETING. I KNOW IT GOT A LOT OF DISCUSSION ON THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING CONSORTIUM AND FOR THE REGION WHICH DEVELOPED INVOLVING JASPER COUNTY, BEAUFORT COUNTY AND THE MUNICIPALITIES. SO THERE'S SOME THINGS THAT ARE MISSING FROM ME. I DO NOT FIND THIS AS A DESIRABLE TO SQUEEZE IN A LOT MORE PEOPLE THAN 17 ACRES WHEN IT WAS SO MUCH ACREAGE AVAILABLE IN THE FIRST PLACE AND WHAT'S MISSING FOR ME IS I DON'T SEE A TRANSPARENCY AND A DISCUSSION WITH THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE THERE WHO BOUGHT ON A PROMISE AND BECOME RESIDENTS CAPTIVE RESIDENTS OF THE PROPERTY. IT'S BEEN DEVELOPED ALL AROUND THEM WITH NO IDEA THAT WAS GOING TO HAPPEN SPECIFICALLY TO THE PROPERTY IMMEDIATELY. SO I HAVE SOME OBJECTIONS TO THE TO THOSE MISSING POINTS. SO YOU'RE WANT TO HAVE A QUESTION THAT YOU WANT TO ASK? I DON'T MEAN TO GET IN THE WEEDS WITH YOU, MARK, BUT WE'VE HAD A DISCUSSION HERE THIS PROJECT OVER THE YEARS AND I UNDERSTAND WHEN FORMER MAYOR BENNETT SAYS THE LOSS OF THE COMMERCIAL LOSES 1.5 ACRES OF PARKING SO THAT'S A BENEFIT BUT THEN ONE OF THE FOLKS FROM THE COMMUNITY SAID THEY HAD ANTICIPATED THAT THERE WOULD BE MORE THAN 20,000 ACRES OF COMMERCIAL I 20,000 UNITS OF COMMERCIAL SQUARE FEET SORRY SQUARE FEET OF COMMERCIAL.

SO MY QUESTION REALLY AND WE'VE HAD THIS DISCUSSION IN OF A TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS DOES COMMERCIAL COMMERCIAL INCREASED TRAFFIC BECAUSE WE'VE OFTEN THAT A COMMERCIAL REDUCES IN AND OUT TRAFFIC PER PER DAY ON DAY 170 IS THERE A WAY TO CLARIFY THAT I'M ALWAYS HAPPY, AS YOU ALL KNOW, TO ANSWER QUESTIONS THAT I BELIEVE I AM VERSED IN.

BUT I HAVE TWO PEOPLE IN THE ROOM WHO DO THIS FOR A LIVING. I HAVE GENERAL IDEAS ON WHAT THAT IS BUT I WOULD I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE ONE OF THEM DISCUSS THAT.

BUT IT'S OUR UNDERSTANDING I MEAN I MEAN MY EMANUEL'S ARE USED TO GENERATION IS DEFINED AND USED YOU TAKE THAT TO THE USE AND THAT'S WHAT THEY USE TO RUN THESE NUMBERS BUT THESE ARE THE EXPERTS IT'S ALL RIGHT SO THANK YOU YOU KNOW IT'S GREAT SUPER GREAT.

LET'S I MEAN JUST REALLY PIN IT DOWN. SO WE'RE LOOKING AT THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN 207,000 SQUARE FEET OF COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT THAT WAS THE FORMER BEING REDUCED TO 20,000. CAN YOU GIVE ME A SENSE OF THAT'S THE DIFFERENCE IN YOU KNOW, TRIPS PER VEHICLE ONTO 170 SURE AND THESE THIS IS GOING TO BE A GROSS TRIP.

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PEAK HOUR TRIPS AND 760 8 P.M. PEAK HOUR TRIPS SO THAT WOULD BE THAT WOULD BE WHAT THE THE COMMERCIAL HUNDRED AND 59,000 OF RETAIL THAT WAS PREVIOUSLY PLAN THAT WOULD BE THE IMPACT SO 232 IN THE MORNING 768 IN THE AFTERNOON WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE 20,000 OF RETAIL THAT 232 IN THE MORNING GETS REDUCED TO 45 AND THE 768 IN THE AFTERNOON GETS REDUCED TO HUNDRED AND 28.

SO IT'S A SIGNIFICANT DIFFERENCE WHEN YOU REDUCE RETAIL THAT'S A SIGNIFICANT DIFFERENCE IN RETAIL IS A GENERAL TO YOUR PREVIOUS QUESTION TRUE RETAIL PARTICULARLY IN THE PEAK HOUR RETAIL IS MUCH MORE A CRUISE MANY MORE TRIPS THAN RESIDENTIAL DOES IN THE MORNING . IT'S IT'S A SIZE THING BECAUSE YOU KNOW SOME OF THE RETAIL IS UP IN THE SOME NOT DURING THAT 7 TO 9 BUT A LOT BUT PEOPLE GO TO WANT TO BUT USUALLY IF IT'S A SIGNIFICANT ENOUGH SIZE OF RETAIL YOU KNOW THAT YOU DO GET THE TRIPS YOU KNOW THAT KIND OF WORKS KIND OF THING WITH LIKE THE FORTIES.

OKAY SO MY TAKEAWAY NOT BEING AN EXPERT IN THIS IS THAT MAYBE MORE ANALYSIS TO DONE ON THAT QUESTION IN A A A MORE A DIFFERENT WELL WHAT CAN I ANSWER LIKE I KNOW I THINK WE'RE GOOD YEAH WE'VE ANSWERED YOUR GENERATION AND THEN YOU TAKE THE TRIP YOU APPLY TO A DISTRIBUTION AND THEN YOU ANALYZE THE OPERATIONAL THE OPERATIONS OF THE DIFFERENT INTERSECTIONS. RIGHT. I MEAN I THINK WE'RE TALKING KIND OF I DIDN'T WANT TO GET INTO THE OTHER THING WHICH WERE THE EXPECTATION IS THAT A WOMAN FROM THE AUDIENCE MENTIONED ABOUT WHEN SHE MOVED THERE IS THAT THAT'S NOT ME AND THAT'S WHY I DIDN'T MENTION THIS BUT I'M JUST TRYING TO FEED THAT INTO UNDERSTANDING.

THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. NO, SHE'S GOING TO SAY FOR ME I THINK WHAT THE TITLE WOULD HAVE TOLD US IS MORE ABOUT WHAT TYPES OF IMPROVEMENTS WOULD BE NECESSARY BASED ON A NEW TRAFFIC INFORMATION. WELL, WE DIDN'T HAVE TO HAVE ANY OF THAT RIGHT. YOU HAVE THE EXISTING ONE THAT IDENTIFIES IT BUT THEN YOU HAVE NEW MATERIAL AND, NEW TRIP GENERATION AND THEN THAT COULD ALTER OFFSITE IMPROVEMENTS AND THAT JUST NEEDS TO TAKE A FRESH LOOK AND THAT WAS A PART OF STATS RECOMMENDATION.

ALL RIGHT. WE FINISHED THANK YOU. SORRY.

DO I CAN I HAVE A RECOMMENDATION REGARDING THIS APPLICANT REQUEST? DON'T BE BASHFUL. I KNOW I CAN DO IT. I CAN DO IT BUT I GUESS I HAD ONE QUESTION FOR THIS COMMISSION YOU HAD OUTLINED A NUMBER OF PIECES OF INFORMATION DURING THE THAT YOU SAID YOU WISH WE HAD HAD IN ORDER TO MAKE THIS DECISION.

THE QUESTION IN MY MIND IS WOULD HAVING THAT INFORMATION IN IT ARE YOU ABLE TO MAKE A DETERMINATION WHETHER OR NOT THAT WOULD ALTER YOUR DECISION? BECAUSE WE HAVE TWO OPTIONS EITHER A MOTION TO RECOMMEND DENIAL OR APPROVAL OR WE CAN BRING ABOUT OUR ONE OPTION FOR A DEFERRAL. WE BELIEVE THAT WOULD PROVIDE THEM WITH ENOUGH TIME TO PROVIDE THAT INFORMATION. AND SO I GUESS IT'S A QUESTION OF WHETHER THAT'S EVEN NECESSARY BASED ON WHERE YOU STAND ON THE OTHER POINTS I THOUGHT ABOUT THE DEFERRAL THING TO NOTE I BUT I'M THINKING IN TERMS OF THESE TWO I MIGHT TAKE A LITTLE MORE THAN JUST A MONTH TO GET TO I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE GAIN BY THIS WE TRIED THAT THE LAST TIME IT DIDN'T SEEM TO WORK SO. I'M THINKING WE DON'T GAIN MUCH BY DOING A DEFERRAL FOR NEXT MONTH AND HAVE THEM BRING BACK MORE INFORMATION SO I THINK THAT'S THE ANSWER TO YOUR

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RECOMMENDATION AND PLANNING WEREN'T TRY YOU KNOW I WELL BASED ON WHAT WE'RE SAYING I'M GOING TO SAY I WOULD MAKE A MOTION WE RECOMMEND DENIAL OF THE THE OR AMENDMENT OR WHATEVER IT IS BASED ON ALL OF THE INFORMATION THAT WE JUST TALKED ABOUT THE SCHOOL ISSUE, THE TRAFFIC ISSUE AT THAT I'LL CIRCUMVENT THE MOTION DENIAL OF THE APPLICANT REQUEST AND SECOND ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE DENIAL THAT'S UNANIMOUS .

THAT'S INSIGHT FOR THE NIGHT. THANK IT'S A BIT OF TIME I THINK TO DO IT.

[9. CHAIRMAN’S REPORT]

IT'S GOING TO BE YOU CANNOT GET A HALT THIS IS JUST A COUPLE OF ON THE SCHOOL SYSTEM BUT I REALLY DON'T HAVE A LOT TO SAY. CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES.

I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'VE TURNED ME OFF OR NOT. THEY DID LAST NIGHT.

AND TONIGHT'S THE ONE THING I WE STILL ON I DON'T WANT

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.