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CAPTIONING PROVIDED BY BUFORT COUNTY,[I. CALL TO ORDER]
SEPTEMBER 6TH, UH, 6:00 PM SEPTEMBER.HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION.
UH, CAN WE GET A ROLL CALL? CHAIRMAN EVAN GOODWIN.
VICE CHAIRWOMAN CARAN FRAZIER.
COMMISSIONER DEBBIE WONDER, COMMISSIONER JIM HESS.
[III. NOTICE REGARDING ADJOURNMENT]
HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSIONER WILL NOT HEAR NEW ITEMS AFTER 9:30 PM UNLESS AUTHORIZED BY MAJORITY VOTE OF THE COMMISSION MEMBERS PRESENT ITEMS WHICH HAVE NOT BEEN HEARD BEFORE, 9:30 PM CONTINUE TO THE NEXT REGULAR MEETING OR A SPECIAL MEETING DATE AS DETERMINED BY THE COMMISSION MEMBERS NOTICE REGARDING PUBLIC COMMENTS.EVERY MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC WHO IS RECOGNIZED AS SPEAKS WILL ADDRESS THE CHAIRMAN.
AND IN SPEAKING, AVOID DISRESPECT TO COMMISSION STAFF OR OTHER MEMBERS OF THE MEETING.
STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS WHEN SPEAKING FOR THE RECORD, PLEASE.
COMMENTS ARE LIMITED TO THREE MINUTES.
[V. ADOPTION OF THE AGENDA]
AN ADOPTION OF THE AGENDA AS WRITTEN.I MOTION TO ADOPT, ADOPT THE AGENDA AS WRITTEN.
AND THE AGENDA HAS BEEN ADOPTED.
[VI. ADOPTION OF MINUTES]
THE MINUTES FOR THE JULY MEETING.WE ADOPT THE MINUTES FROM THE JULY MEETING.
UH, MINUTES ARE ADOPTED FOR THE JULY MEETING.
[VII. PUBLIC COMMENTS FOR ITEMS NOT ON THE AGENDA*]
COMMENTS FOR ITEMS NOT ON THE AGENDA.I UNDERSTAND WE DO HAVE A PUBLIC COMMENT.
UH, WE HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT FOR ITEM NUMBER TWO.
DO WE WANT TO HEAR THAT NOW OR UNTIL THE MATTER? YOU PROBABLY JUST DO IT AT THE OKAY.
UH, THERE'S NO OLD BUSINESS AS I UNDERSTAND.
SO WE'LL MOVE ON TO NEW BUSINESS, WHICH IS ITEM NUMBER ONE.
[IX.1. Certificate of Appropriateness: A request by the Applicants, Ernie and Andrea Suozzi, for approval of a Certificate of Appropriateness to allow the construction of a new 2-story single-family structure of approximately 2,295 SF, and Carriage House of approximately 803 SF, located at 7 Blue Crab Street, in the Old Town Bluffton Historic District, identified as Lot 24 of the Tabby Roads development and zoned Neighborhood General-HD. (COFA-06-23-018105) (Staff - Katie Peterson)]
GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONERS.OH, AND WE'RE CUS SIR JOE IS RECUSING RECUSING HIMSELF AS HE HAD SOME WORK THAT HE DID WITH THE H A R B ON THIS PROJECT.
THAT'S NOT, THAT'S NOT WHAT I GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONERS.
UM, TONIGHT BEFORE US, WE HAVE AN APPLICATION.
IT IS A REQUEST BY ERNIE AND ANDREA, SUZIE ON BE OR, UM, THEY ARE THE OWNER, SO ON BEHALF OF THEMSELVES FOR THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION TO APPROVE THE FOLLOWING APPLICATION.
IT IS A CERTIFICATE OF PREPAREDNESS TO ALLOW THE CONSTRUCTION OF A NEW TWO-STORY STRUCTURE OF APPROXIMATELY 2,295 SQUARE FEET AND A CARRIAGE HOUSE OF APPROXIMATELY 803 SQUARE FEET.
LOCATED AT SEVEN BLUE CRAB, WHICH IS HERE IN THE OLD TOWN, BLUFFTON HISTORIC DISTRICT.
IT IS ZONED NEIGHBORHOOD GENERAL AND IT IS LOT 24 IN THE TABBY ROADS DEVELOPMENT.
UM, AS YOU ALL ARE FAMILIAR OR, UM, POTENTIALLY NOT FOR THOSE NEWER MEMBERS, THE TAVI ROADS DEVELOPMENT HAS SETBACKS THAT ARE DETERMINED BY THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN RATHER THAN THOSE WHICH ARE, UM, OUTLINED FOR YOU IN THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT ORDINANCE.
SO THESE SETBACKS FOR THIS SITE ARE BASED ON THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND HAVE BEEN MET.
THEY'RE SHOWN ON YOUR SCREEN HERE WITH THE, THE DASHED LINE THAT RUNS AROUND THE OUTSIDE OF THE PROPERTY HERE.
UM, THIS PROPERTY IS FACING BROUNE ROAD, EVEN THOUGH IT IS ADDRESSED OFF BLUE CRAB BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE THE ACCESS IS GAINED.
SO YOU CAN SEE BRUNE AT THE FRONT OF IT.
THEN YOU HAVE, UM, BLUE CRAB HERE, AND THEN THIS IS PEARL, PEARL STREET THAT RUNS ALONG THE SIDE.
SO YOU'VE GOT THREE SIDES OF STREET ELEVATIONS, THE PRIMARY BEING BROUNE ROAD.
UM, THEY HAVE ATTACHED AN ATTACHED CARRIAGE HOUSE, MEANING IT SHARES A HEATED WALL HERE.
UM, IT IS AN UNHEATED GARAGE, BUT THIS IS THE OUTSIDE WALL OF THAT.
SO THIS IS THE SQUARE FOOTAGE THAT COUNTS TOWARDS THEIR CARRIAGE HOUSE AND THEIR PRIMARY STRUCTURE.
UM, IT HAS A PORCH THAT WRAPS NEARLY THE WHOLE WAY AROUND THE FRONT, LEFT SIDE AND REAR OF THE HOUSE, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THIS SMALL AREA THAT IS THE MASTER SUITE ON THE REAR HERE.
BETWEEN THE CARRIAGE HOUSE AND THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE.
THE SECOND FLOOR IS SIGNIFICANTLY SMALLER ON THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE THAN IT IS THE FIRST.
UM, HOWEVER, DOES TECHNICALLY CLASSIFY AS THAT TWO STORY STRUCTURE.
AND THEN THERE IS THE, UM, SECOND STORY OF THE CARRIAGE HOUSE, WHICH IS A STUDIO STYLE, UM, DWELLING, ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT HERE.
SO THIS IS THE SECOND FLOOR PLAN HERE.
IT DOES NOT CONNECT TO THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE ON THE SECOND FLOOR, SO IT ONLY CONNECTS HERE.
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LINE BELOW FOR WHERE THAT FIRST FLOOR IS ON THAT YOU CAN ACTUALLY SEE IT EVEN BETTER ON THE ROOF PLAN HERE.SO THIS IS THE ROOF PLAN, UM, WITH THE FIRST FLOOR BELOW.
THEY'VE PROVIDED US A REALLY NICE ISOMETRIC HERE THAT SHOWS YOU HOW THAT CONNECTS.
SO YOU CAN SEE THIS PORTION HERE IS WHERE THAT FIRST FLOOR TIES INTO THE CARRIAGE HOUSE.
BECAUSE OF THE, UM, CONFIGURATION OF THIS LOT, IT WAS GOING TO BE VERY CLOSE.
AND THIS CONNECTION OF THE TWO STRUCTURES IS GOING TO HELP WITH SOME OF THE WATER, UM, ISSUES THAT MAY ARISE IF, UM, THEY WERE NOT CONNECTED, BUT STILL LOCATED AS CLOSE AS THEY WOULD NEED TO BE IN ORDER TO FIT ON THIS SITE.
SO THIS IS WHAT YOU WOULD SEE IF YOU'RE STANDING ON BRUIN ROAD.
UM, THEY HAVE THEIR FRONT ENTRY HERE AS WELL AS THE SECONDARY ENTRANCE THAT IS SET BACK.
UM, BECAUSE THIS IS ON THE SIDE PORCH HERE, THEY HAVE A SET OF WINDOWS THAT IS CENTERED BETWEEN THE COLUMNS.
AND THEN BECAUSE THERE IS A DRAINAGE EASEMENT THAT RUNS ALONG BRUIN ROAD OR IT RUNS ON THEIR LOT, BUT FACING BRUIN ROAD, THEY HAVE MOVED THEIR STAIRS TO THE SIDE HERE.
UM, TO ACCOMMODATE THAT, UM, THEY HAVE INDICATED THAT THE RAILINGS THAT ARE ON THE SIDE ELEVATIONS WILL CONTINUE ALONG THIS FRONT ELEVATION.
UH, THEY REMOVED THEM SO WE COULD SEE THE WINDOWS BEHIND IT.
SO YOU'LL SEE THAT ON THE SIDE HERE.
THEY'LL LOOK JUST LIKE THIS, BUT RUN THE FRONT ELEVATION AS WELL.
SO THIS IS THE REAR ELEVATION.
THIS IS THE SIDE THAT WOULD BE FACING BLUE CRAB STREET.
AS YOU CAN SEE, THIS IS THE LITTLE CARRIAGE HOUSE HERE WITH THE STAIRS.
AND THEN THIS BUMP OUT RIGHT HERE IS WHAT THE GARAGE DOORS WILL BE OPEN TO WHEN I FLIP TO THE NEXT ELEVATION OR THE SECOND NEXT ELEVATION.
THIS IS THE RIGHT ELEVATION WHICH FACES THE VACANT, THE NOW VACANT, BUT WILL BE RESIDENTIAL, UM, PRESUMABLY LOT THAT IS IN THE TABBY ROADS DEVELOPMENT.
SO CURRENTLY IT IS A VACANT LOT.
AND THEN ONE BEYOND THAT IS THE BLUE HOUSE THAT IS ALSO A BLUE CRAB ADDRESS FACING ROOM.
SO THIS IS THAT ELEVATION, THIS IS THAT MASTER SUITE WHERE YOU CAN SEE IT TIES INTO THE CARRIAGE HOUSE.
AND THEN THIS IS THE LEFT ELEVATION.
SO THIS IS THE ONE FACING PEARL STREET, UM, A SECONDARY ENTRANCE.
AND THIS IS WHERE YOU WOULD PULL IN OFF OF BLUE CRAB INTO THE DRIVEWAY AND YOU'D TURN INTO THE, THE, UM, GARAGE DOORS HERE.
SO YOU CAN SEE THE PORCH THAT WRAPS AROUND THIS PORTION BEYOND THE STAIRS HAS BEEN SCREENED IN.
SO THERE'S A PORTION THAT'S SCREENED IN, BUT THE FRONT END, UM, CORNER THAT ADDRESSES THE PEARL BROUNE INTERSECTION IS LEFT UNSCREENED.
SO THAT IT, IT BETTER ADDRESSES THAT CORNER.
YOUR PACKET INCLUDES A LOT MORE INFORMATION.
HOWEVER, I HAVE INCLUDED JUST THE WINDOW AND DOOR DETAILS THAT ARE EXTERIOR.
SO, UM, THEY HAVE A BUNCH OF INTERIOR DOORS AND I LEFT THOSE OFF TO MAKE IT A LITTLE BIT BIGGER ON YOUR SCREEN.
BUT YOU CAN SEE THAT THEY ARE METAL CLAD, UM, AND WOOD DOORS THAT ARE PROPOSED FOR THE EXTERIOR WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE, UM, GARAGE DOOR, WHICH WE DO NOT HAVE MATERIAL STANDARDS FOR, BUT IS APPROPRIATELY, UM, DESIGNED FOR THE STRUCTURE.
THIS IS THE SCREEN PORCH DETAIL AS WELL AS THE SCREEN DOOR THAT THEY'VE PROPOSED THE TYPICAL WINDOW AND DOOR DETAILS FOR THE BOTH INTERIOR AND EXTERIOR VIEWS OF THAT.
SO, UM, THEY'VE INCLUDED ALL OF THAT INFORMATION.
I KNOW I FLY THROUGH THESE SO I'M HAPPY TO GO BACK AND ADDRESS ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU ALL HAVE.
BUT THESE ARE THE WINDOW DETAILS.
UM, AS YOU CAN SEE, THERE ARE A LOT OF DIFFERENT WINDOWS HERE.
HOWEVER, THE PROPORTIONS OF THE WINDOWS ARE VERY SIMILAR.
THEY HAVE, UM, DIFFERENT TRIM DETAILS BASED ON THE PROXIMITY ON THE BUILDING.
SO THERE ARE SEVERAL THAT ARE ACTUALLY THE SAME DIMENSIONS AND THE SAME WINDOW LIGHT PROPORTIONS.
THEY JUST ARE, UM, DETAILED A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENTLY.
SO THEY HAVE ALL BEEN CALLED OUT SEPARATELY HERE.
AND THEN WE HAVE THE SERVICE YARD, H V A C ENCLOSURE HERE, SECTION THROUGH THE RAFTER.
THIS IS THE BALLER THAT WOULD BE GOING ON THE FRONT ELEVATION AS WELL AS THE SIDES.
AND THEN YOU HAVE YOUR SECTION THROUGH THE WALL.
UM, I'VE TAKEN A LOOK AT ALL OF THOSE MATERIALS AND DIMENSIONS AND THEY DO MEET OUR ORDINANCE REQUIREMENTS.
UM, IT WAS FOUND IN YOUR LANDSCAPE PLAN.
I BLEW IT UP SO YOU COULD SEE IT A LITTLE BIT BIGGER.
UM, IT LOOKS LIKE THIS IS GRASS, BUT THAT'S ACTUALLY WHERE THE CANOPY GOES TO ON THESE LIVE OAKS HERE AND HERE.
AND THEN THERE'S AN EXISTING TREE THAT IS IN THIS FRONT CORNER HERE.
SO, UM, YOU CAN KIND OF SEE IF YOU ZOOM IN REALLY CLOSE THAT THERE IS A CURVE TO THAT BECAUSE THOSE ARE THE CANOPIES THAT ARE EXISTING IN THE CASE OF THIS TREE AND PROPOSED WITH THE CASE OF THIS.
AND THEY DO EXCEED THAT 75% REQUIREMENT.
AND THEN THIS IS THE LANDSCAPE PLAN.
AGAIN, YOU CAN SEE THE EXISTING TREE AT THE FRONT HERE, PROPOSED TREES HERE, UM, AS WELL AS HERE.
BUT THESE ARE THE CANOPY TREES THAT YOU ARE LOOKING AT.
AND THEN SOME ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPING FOR FOUNDATION
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BUFFERS, ET CETERA.THE PLANTING SCHEDULE IS ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE OF THE SCREEN AS THIS IS A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS.
THE H P C CONSIDERS THE EIGHT REVIEW CRITERIA, WHICH ARE SET FORTH IN SECTION 3 18 3 OF OUR UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT ORDINANCE.
WHEN THEY, UM, REVIEW THEM AND THEY'RE AUTHORIZED TO APPROVE THE APPLICATION IS SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT, APPROVE THE APPLICATION WITH CONDITIONS OR DENY THE APPLICATION IS SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT.
BASED ON THESE FINDINGS, TOWN STAFF HAS REVIEWED THE APPLICATION BEFORE YOU AND HAS FOUND THAT WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITION.
UM, STAFF FINDS THAT IT MEETS THOSE REQUIREMENTS, BUT IS LOOKING FOR YOUR, UM, DETERMINATION ON WHETHER IT DOES THE SAME.
SO STAFF HAS FOUND THAT IF A TREE REMOVAL PERMIT IS PULLED FOR THE TREES THAT ARE LARGER THAN, UM, 14 INCHES IN DIAMETER AT BREAST HEIGHT, IT WOULD MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE ORDINANCE.
I AM HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE.
THE SUZIES ARE HERE TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF THE PROJECT.
UM, AND ANSWER HOPEFULLY ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE THERE.
MY ONLY CONCERN IS WHEN I'M LOOKING AT THE FRONT ELEVATION THAT THE TRIPLE WINDOW DOESN'T LINE UP UNDERNEATH ANYTHING.
WHETHER IT'S CENTERED UNDER THE WIND, IT'S JUST OFF CENTER OF THE DORMER ABOVE.
AND I THOUGHT IT WAS TRYING TO CENTER IT IN THE KITCHEN, BUT IT'S REALLY NOT EVEN CENTERED ON THE KITCHEN.
I MEAN, IT'S JUST SOMETHING I GLANCED AND I THOUGHT IT WAS JUST OFF CENTER.
I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE'S MUCH TO DO WITH IT BECAUSE IT WOULD CHANGE THE COLUMN SPACE AND EVERYTHING ELSE.
IT'S JUST SOMETHING THAT CAUGHT MY EYE BECAUSE IT'S REALLY NOT SENT, THE WINDOWS ARE NOT CENTERED IN THE KITCHEN ITSELF.
THAT'S SOMETHING THEY WERE WORKING THROUGH EARLY ON.
TRYING TO BALANCE THE, THE SPACING AND THE SYMMETRY ON THE PORCH ITSELF VERSUS DO YOU DO IN THE KITCHEN? WHERE DOES THE FRONT FRONT DOOR GO? MM-HMM.
I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF THOUGHT GOING INTO IT.
IT PERSONALLY DOESN'T BOTHER ME AS MUCH JUST BECAUSE AT GROUND LEVEL I DON'T THINK YOU'LL NOTICE IT QUITE AS, AS MUCH MM-HMM.
BUT IT'S WORTH THE WELL, I AGREE.
IT DOESN'T BOTHER ME THAT MUCH.
IT'S JUST SOMETHING THAT FIRST THING THAT CAUGHT MY EYE YEAH.
IS THAT IT DIDN'T, THERE WAS NO VISUAL ALIGNMENT OF WINDOWS, EVEN IF THEY JUST SHIFTED THEM TO GET THREE TO LINE UNDER THREE.
BUT THAT MIGHT LOOK FUNNY, NOT SEND IT UNDER THE FOUR.
SO IT, IT'S, IT'S ANY IT DOESN'T BOTHER ME.
I MEAN, I NOTICED IT AS WELL, BUT IT'S ANY OTHER THOUGHTS OR DISCUSSION AND REMAINING DRAWING? OKAY.
I HAD A COUPLE QUESTIONS ON THE PORCH.
UH, THE PORCH WALL SECTION, DO YOU HAVE THAT IN THE PRESENTATION? THAT'S THE HOUSE.
NO, THERE'S JUST ON THE, ON THE PORCH, UH, WALL SECTION THAT'S IN THE FULL SET OF SUBMITTALS.
SO TWO THINGS ON THE FOUNDATION SHEET, UH, BACKUP MORE THERE.
SO ON THE PORCH SECTION, THERE'S NO, UH, THERE'S A BRICK FINISH CALLED OUT ON THE ELEVATIONS AS THE BORDER FOR THE PORCH, BUT IT'S NOT SHOWN IF YOU SCROLL UP A LITTLE BIT.
IT'S NOT SHOWN RIGHT THERE ON THE ACTUAL FOUNDATION DETAIL.
SO I JUST WONDER IF THEY COULD ADD THAT IN THERE TO SHOW HOW THAT CONDITION'S GONNA BE ADDRESSED.
ARCHITECT THE PROGRAM, I DUNNO WHY THE ARCHITECT SAID HER PROGRAM WILL NOT ALLOW HER TO DO IT.
SO SHE WAS ABLE TO PUT IT IN ON THE PICTURE.
'CAUSE WE HAD SAID SOMETHING ABOUT TO HER.
SHE SAID, WELL WE HAVE THE DETAIL ON THE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE PICTURE ITSELF.
BUT ON THAT, SHE SAID FOR SOME REASON THEIR PROGRAM, WELL IT, IT, THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF A GLITZ THAT IS KIND OF IMPORTANT BECAUSE RIGHT NOW TABBY STAYS UNDERNEATH THE PORCH.
RICK'S GONNA STICK OUT PAST IT.
SHE SHE SHOULD BE ABLE TO ADD THAT.
THAT'S, WE HAVE ASKED HER ABOUT IT.
AND ALL I WOULD PUSH BACK ON THAT.
'CAUSE I THINK WHOEVER, YOU KNOW, THE, THE MASONS OR WHOEVER'S POURING THE FOUNDATION IS GONNA WANT TO KNOW HOW FAR BACK TO, TO DO THAT.
UM, THE BRICK, THAT RECESS SO THAT THE BRICK CAN, CAN SIT, UM, WHERE IT'S SUPPOSED TO WITH THE OVERHANG.
AND THEN ALSO ON THE FOUNDATION ITSELF, IF YOU SEE THE, THE MEASUREMENTS ON THAT FRONT PORCH WHERE IT HAS A LITTLE FOUR INCH WHERE IT'S SHOWING, IT'S ESSENTIALLY IT'S SHOWING A BRICK FINISH ON THE PORCH.
SO IF YOU ZOOM IN AND TO THE RIGHT, THAT LITTLE HATCH RIGHT
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THERE, THAT LITTLE FOUR INCH PIECE OUTSIDE THE C M U BLOCK IS SHOWING BRICK, BUT IT'S A TABBY STUCCO FOUNDATION.SO THAT JUST NEEDS TO BE CLARIFIED AND THE TOP STUFF.
SO THOSE WERE THE ONLY TWO THINGS I WAS GONNA MAKE COMMENTS ABOUT.
UM, JUST HAVING THOSE INCLUDED IN THE CONDITIONS, BUT VERY MINOR.
EVERYTHING ELSE LOOKS GREAT AND WE APPRECIATE YOU GUYS LOOKING AT THE CHANGES WE DISCUSSED AT H P R C.
SOME GARAGE, SOME OTHER THINGS.
UM, ANY OTHER DISCUSSIONS OR REMARKS LOOKING FOR A MOTION THEN? OR I CAN MAKE A MOTION.
I, I MOTION WE, UM, APPROVE PROVIDING THE NUMBER ONE IS MET THROUGH THE TREE PER REMOVAL PERMIT AND THE WALL SECTION IS ADDRESSED WITH THE BRICK VERSUS THE TAPPY.
[IX.2. Designation of a Contributing Resource: A request by the owners, Eugene and Melanie Marks to recommend to Town Council to have the Contributing Resource, known as the Joiner House, located at 9 Bruin Road, within the Neighborhood Core-HD Zoning District be removed as a Contributing Resource from the Old Town Bluffton Historic District and to have the Contributing Resources Map amended accordingly. (DCR-06-23-018161 )(Staff – Glen Umberger)]
THE NEXT ITEM WE HAVE UP IS, UM, THE APPLICANT, MELANIE MARKS WITH HER HUSBAND EUGENE, AS OWNER REQUEST THAT THE H P C APPROVE THE FOLLOWING APPLICATION.THIS IS THE DESIGNATION OR THE REMOVAL OF A CONTRIBUTING RESOURCE.
UM, YOU'RE MAKING A RECOMMENDATION TO TOWN COUNCILS TO REMOVE THE DESIGNATION OF THE HISTORIC 15 16, 1516 SQUARE FOOT CONTRIBUTING RESOURCE IDENTIFIED AS THE JOINER HOUSE LOCATED AT NUMBER NINE BRUIN ROAD IN THE OLD TOWN, LEFT IN HISTORIC DISTRICT ZONE, NEIGHBORHOOD CORE HD.
UM, THIS IS ACTUALLY A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAN WHAT YOU'RE NORMALLY USED TO SEEING.
UM, BUT UNDER THE U D O SECTION 2.2 0.6 POINT E 0.4, I PRACTICE THAT ALL DAY TODAY.
UM, NOTE IN PARTICULAR TONIGHT, YOU ARE NOT MAKING A DECISION WHETHER OR NOT TO ADD OR SUBTRACT SOMETHING FROM THE CONTRIBUTING RESOURCES LIST.
YOU'RE MAKING A RECOMMENDATION TO TOWN COUNCIL FOR THEIR TO DO THE, TO DO, UM, TO TAKE THAT ACTION.
UM, JUST FOR YOUR SOME BASIC BACKGROUND INFORMATION, THIS IS A, UM, MAP SHOWING THE LOCATION AND THE ZONING MAPS OF THIS SUBJECT PROPERTY.
UM, BECAUSE I'M A HISTORICAL PRESERVATION TYPE PERSON, I'M SHOWING YOU SOME HISTORIC PHOTOGRAPHS.
UM, THIS IS THE HOUSE FROM JULY, 2008, UM, THE HOUSE FROM APRIL, 2022.
UM, CURRENT CONDITIONS FROM LAST MONTH.
UM, WE DID REACH OUT TO SOME LOCAL PRESERVATION GROUPS ASKING FOR THEIR OPINION ON THIS PROJECT THAT PALMETTO BLUFF CONSERVANCY GOT BACK TO US QUICKLY AND SAID, UM, BASED ON THE DEFINITION OF A CONTRIBUTING RESOURCE, WE RECOMMEND REMOVING NINE BUREN ROAD AS A CONTRIBUTING RESOURCE SINCE THE BUILDING IS ESSENTIALLY NEW CONSTRUCTION.
UM, ALL THE PERTINENT INFORMATION IS IN YOUR STAFF REPORT.
I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE.
THE APPLICANTS ARE ALSO HERE TO ADDRESS ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE.
UM, WE DO HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS, ON THIS TOPIC.
UM, I WILL ASK YOUR DIRECTION, WHICH YOU WOULD LIKE TO HEAR FIRST.
UH, WHY DON'T WE GO PUBLIC COMMENTS.
THANK YOU MR. CHAIR AND MEMBERS OF THE H P C.
I'M JOANI HAYWARD AND I LIVE AT 95 BOUNDARY STREET.
AND I'M HERE TO TALK TO DISCUSS THE JOINER HOUSE IN THE 1994, 2001, 2008, 2019.
AND ALSO ON THE 1996 APPLICATION.
NO, IT'S NOT ON THE APPLICATION.
UH, NUMBER 1 0 7 IS THE JOIN THE HOUSE.
THE SITE NUMBER IS NUMBER 0 4 6 7.
AND YOU HAVE A COPY OF THE 1994 H R I OR THE FORM FROM THE SURVEY IN YOUR PACKET.
THE ADDRESS IS NINE BRUIN STREET.
AS WE ALL KNOW, THIS STRUCTURE NO LONGER EXISTS.
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IT HAS BEEN DEMOLISHED WITH CERTAIN PARTS USED IN THE NEW CONSTRUCTION PERMITTED BY THE TOWN OF BLUFFTON.AS YOU KNOW, H R I STANDS FOR HISTORIC RESOURCE INVENTORY, THE H R I FOR NINE.
BRUIN STREET NUMBER 1 0 7 THAT JOINED THE HOUSE SHOULD NOT BE REMOVED FROM ANY OF THE SURVEYS BECAUSE IT WAS THERE IN 19 94, 7, 8, AND 19.
BUT BE, IT SHOULD BE MARKED, DEMOLISHED NO LONGER EXIST, AND IT SHOULD NOT BE A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE.
HISTORIC RESOURCE INVENTORIES DO CHANGE FROM TIME TO TIME.
ECCENTRICITIES WAS DEMOLISHED.
IT'S NO LONGER ON THE CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE LIST AS AN EXAMPLE.
AND THAT WAS SOME MAYBE 10 YEARS AGO.
AS H P C MEMBERS, IT IS YOUR RESPONSIBILITY TO MAINTAIN A CORRECT LIST OF CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES.
THEREFORE, I'M ASKING YOU TO VERIFY THAT SURVEY NUMBER 1 0 7 DASH AND THE REAL NUMBER IS 0 4 6 DASH 0 1 0 7.
IT IS NOT CONTRIBUTING BECAUSE IT IS NO LONGER IN THE HISTORIC RESOURCE INVENTORY.
SURVEY NUMBER 0 4 6 DASH 0 1 0 7 SHOULD BE MARKED ON ITS FORM.
THE H R I FORM NO LONGER EXISTS, NO LONGER CONTRIBUTING, NO LONGER PART OF THE BLUFFTON HISTORIC RESOURCE INVENTORY.
ARE THERE, I GUESS WE CAN DO ANY QUESTIONS FOR SARAH? OH, WE HAVE ONE MORE PUBLIC COMMENT.
ROBERT JONES, COMMISSIONERS LADIES AND GENTLEMEN OF THE BLUFFTON HISTORICAL PRESERVATION COMMISSION.
THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS YOU TODAY.
I'M THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF HISTORIC BLUFFTON FOUNDATION, AND I LIVE AT 22 BRIDAL PATHWAY LANE IN BLUFFTON.
UM, JUST FOR YOU TO, FOR YOUR KNOWLEDGE, I HAVE BOTH A DEGREE IN HISTORY AND A MASTER'S AND HIS HISTORIC PRESERVATION.
UM, JUST TO LET YOU KNOW WHERE I'M SPEAKING FROM, UM, I STAND FOR YOU TODAY TO EMPHASIZE THE CRITICAL IMPORTANCE OF PRESERVING THE INTEGRITY OF OUR HISTORICAL DISTRICT, PARTICULARLY BY ADVOCATING AGAINST THE MOVEMENT OF LISTED STRUCTURES.
EVEN WITHIN THE SAME LOT, I, UH, OUR LISTED STRUCTURES ARE NOT JUST PHYSICAL ARTIFACTS.
THERE ARE WINDOWS INTO OUR PAST CARRYING WITH THEM THE STORIES, CRAFTSMANSHIP AND ARCHITECTURAL HERITAGE OF OUR COMMUNITY.
WHEN WE RELOCATE THESE STRUCTURES, WE DISRUPT THE VERY ESSENCE THAT DEFINES OUR HISTORIC DISTRICTS.
THE INTEGRITY OF THESE DISTRICTS IS A DELICATE BALANCE.
AND ANY ALTERCATION, ESPECIALLY THE PHYSICAL MOVEMENT OF A STRUCTURE, THREATENS THAT BALANCE.
MOVING A LISTED STRUCTURE, EVEN ON THE SAME LOT, CAN HAVE FAR REACHING CONSEQUENCES.
IT ALTERS THE CONTEXT IN WHICH THE BUILDING WAS ORIGINALLY PLACED, AFFECTING ITS RELATIONSHIP WITH NEIGHBORING STRUCTURES AND THE OVERALL STREETSCAPE.
UH, SUCH ACTIONS LEAD TO THE LOSS OF HISTORICAL ACCURACY AND DIMINISH THE CHARM THAT DRAWS RES RESIDENTS AND VISITORS ALIKE TO OUR HISTORIC AREAS.
FURTHERMORE, IT IS NOT JUST ABOUT BRICKS AND MORTAR.
IT'S ABOUT PRESERVING THE SENSE OF PLACE AND THE ATMOSPHERE THAT MAKES OUR HISTORIC DISTRICT UNIQUE.
THE AUTHENTICITY AND AMBIANCE OF THESE AREAS ARE WHAT SET THEM APART FROM THE MODERN WORLD.
MOVING A STRUCTURE AROSE THAT AUTHENTICITY AND DISRUPTS THE HISTORICAL NARRATIVE WE ALL CHERISH.
WE MUST CAREFULLY CONSIDER THE LONG-TERM CONSEQUENCES OF MOVEMENT LISTED STRUCTURES WHILE CHANGE AND DEVELOPMENT ARE INEVITABLE.
AND WE ALL KNOW THAT WE MUST ENSURE THAT OUR COMMITMENT TO PRESERVING THE HISTORICAL INTEGRITY OF OUR DISTRICT REMAINS UNWAVERING.
LET US REMEMBER THAT OUR PAST ENRICHES OUR PRESENT AND SHAPES OUR FUTURE.
BY PROTECTING THE HISTORICAL CONTEXT OF OUR STRUCTURES, WE HONOR THE HERITAGE THAT MAKES BLUFFTON SO SPECIAL.
THIS BRINGS ME TO THE JOINER COTTAGE.
THE FOUNDATION BELIEVES THAT THE JOINER COTTAGE SHOULD BE REMOVED FROM THE LIST OF LOCALLY CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES DUE TO ITS RECENT DECONSTRUCTION AND RELOCATION, MAKING IT NO LONGER ELIGIBLE FOR PRESERVATION WITHIN ITS ORIGINAL CONTEXT.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND DEDICATION TO PRESERVE AN OUR CHERISH HISTORIC DISTRICT.
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ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS? ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? YES.WHY, WHY DO YOU WANNA REMOVE IT FROM IT? I WILL DEFER TO THE APPLICANT FOR THAT QUESTION.
APPLICANT WOULD LIKE TO PRESENT FOR ANSWER.
ANY QUESTIONS MR. CHAIRMAN? IF I MAY? YES.
UH, THOSE OF Y'ALL WHO I HAVE NOT HAD THE PLEASURE TO INTRODUCE MYSELF TO YET, 'CAUSE WE DO HAVE A FEW NEW MEMBERS ON H B C.
I'M RICHARDSON LAB WITH FINGER BROOKSON LA AND WE SERVE AS ATTORNEYS FOR THE TOWN OF LUPTON.
BUT WE ARE HERE TODAY, UH, SERVING AS ATTORNEYS FOR THE H B C AND HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT Y'ALL MAY HAVE REGARDING THE PROCESS, PROCEDURE, OR THE, THE CONDUCT OF THIS MEETING.
SO THERE IS A, UH, RULES OF PROCEDURE FOR THE H P C AND HOW TO FOLLOW ON THESE APPLICATIONS.
UM, NOT PARTICULARLY THE REMOVAL OF A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE, BUT JUST GENERAL APPLICATIONS.
AND SO AFTER STAFF PRESENTATION, WE SHOULD ALLOW THE APPLICANT TO PRESENT AND ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE, YOU MAY DIRECT TO STAFF AND OR THE APPLICANT AS Y'ALL SEE FIT.
THEN WE'LL HAVE THE APPLICANT PRESENT IF THEY WOULD.
GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONERS AND CHAIR.
I LIVE AT 55 FLICKER STREET IN BLUFFTON.
UH, I AM THE APPLICANT WHO REQUESTED TO HAVE THE JOINER HOUSE REMOVED FROM THE CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES LIST FOR VARIOUS REASONS.
UM, WHEN WE EMBARKED ON THIS JOURNEY, UM, WELL, LET ME GO BACK TO WHAT JOANIE SAID.
THE HOUSE WAS ORIGINALLY A CIRCA IN 18 19 30 STRUCTURE ON A DIFFERENT LOT, ON OUR CURRENT LOT.
AND BECAUSE THE DATA THAT WAS DONE FOR ALL FOUR OF THOSE HISTORIC RESOURCE INVENTORIES APPLIED TO THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURE FROM 1930, THAT DESIGNATION BELONGED TO THAT STRUCTURE.
IT CANNOT BE TRANSFERRED TO A NEW STRUCTURE ON THE SAME LOT.
WHAT WE HAVE IS NOT RECONSTRUCTION.
WE WENT THROUGH A WHOLE GAMUT OF BACK AND FORTH.
UH, THE LAST, THE FIRST MEETING THAT WE WENT TO THAT, THAT, WAS IT REHABILITATION? WAS IT RECONSTRUCTION? WAS IT NEW CONSTRUCTION? WAS IT, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER.
LET ME JUST REREAD WHAT WAS READ AT THAT MEETING.
BOTH OF THESE, UH, THE DEPARTMENT OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS FOR RECONSTRUCTION, AND I READ THIS AT THE, THE, UH, JULY 1ST MEETING WE HAD WITH H P C.
IT SAYS, THE DEFINITION FOR RECONSTRUCTION IS DEFINED AS THE ACT OR PROCESS OF DEPICTING BY MEANS OF NEW CONSTRUCTION.
THE FORM FEATURES AND DETAILING OF NON SURVIVING.
OURS WAS STILL STANDING LANDSCAPE BUILDING STRUCTURE OR OBJECT FOR THE PURPOSE OF REPLICATING ITS APPEARANCE AT A SPECIFIC PERIOD OF TIME.
AND IN THE HISTORIC LOCATION, WE MOVED IT, WE DIDN'T MOVE IT.
AND I'M GONNA EXPLAIN THAT THE NEW, WE HAVE NEWLY CONSTRUCTED THE JOINER HOUSE IN A DIFFERENT LOCATION ON THE PROPERTY, SO AS TO HAVE MORE CONNECTIVITY TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
THE RECONSTRUCTION STANDARDS ESTABLISH A LIMITED FRAMEWORK FOR RECREATING A VANISHED OR NONS SURVIVING BUILDING WITH NEW MATERIALS, PRIMARILY FOR INTERPRETIVE PURPOSES.
NOW, DOWN AT THE BOTTOM, I DID SPEAK TO SOMEBODY AT SHIPPO WHO GAVE ME THE PRESERVATION HOTLINE.
NUMBER 10, UNDER KEN, NEW BUILDINGS BE BUILT IN LOCAL HISTORIC DISTRICTS.
THE FOLLOWING NEW CONSTRUCTION IS ENCOURAGED TO BE COMPATIBLE WITH THE EXISTING DISTRICT AND YET DISTINCT SO THAT RESIDENTS AND VISITORS ALIKE CAN TELL IT IS A 21ST CENTURY ADDITION OR BUILDING.
I BELIEVE WE HAVE FULFILLED THAT RECOMMENDATION.
NOW, I'M GONNA GO BACK TO MY ORIGINAL NOTES, WHICH WERE, WE WERE ISSUED.
WE WERE, WE WERE, WE WERE DEALING WITH TWO STRUCTURES IN THE MINDS OF, OF THE TOWN.
ONE WAS THE ORIGINAL JOINER HOUSE, THEN THERE WAS NEW CONSTRUCTION.
WHEN WE ASKED TO MOVE IT, WE GOT ISSUED A NEW PERMIT, A NEW BUILDING PERMIT, WHICH WE HAD TO FOLLOW CODE FOR NEW BUILDINGS THAT THAT LIMITED THE, THE, THE, THE, UM, THE STATUS OF IT BEING A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE BECAUSE IT'S A NEW BUILDING.
NOW, WE WERE ASKED TO TAKE AND USE AS MUCH OF THE ORIGINAL FABRIC AS WE COULD FROM THE ORIGINAL PROPERTY, WHICH WE DID.
WE ENDED UP USING ABOUT 75% OF THE ROOF, ABOUT 65% OF THE SIDING AND ABOUT 80% OF THE BRICKS.
WE FULFILLED EVERYTHING THAT WE WERE ASKED TO DO ON THE NEW BUILDING.
WE GOT AN EMAIL FROM RICHARD SPRUCE, CHIEF BUILDING OFFICIAL ON JANUARY 30TH, 2023, WHICH STATED THE LOOK IS
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HISTORIC FIRE AND LIFE SAFETY MUST MEET NEW CONSTRUCTION.BECAUSE THIS IS NEW CONSTRUCTION, I UNDERSTAND THAT ALL WINDOWS WILL BE NEW WHILE FOUNDATION AND FRAMING IS NEW.
ALL MECHANICAL, ELECTRICAL, PLUMBING WILL BE NEW.
THIS IS NEW CONSTRUCTION MADE TO LOOK HISTORIC AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.
DEFINITELY NO STOP WORK AT THIS TIME.
JUST WANTED YOU TO BE AWARE OF ISSUES THAT COULD HOLD YOU UP IN THE FUTURE.
THE H P C ON JUNE 7TH, 2023 APPROVED THE CURRENT WINDOWS THAT WE WERE, THAT WERE INSTALLED.
AND I DON'T THINK I NEED TO REHASH EXACTLY WHAT WENT ON WITH THAT.
BUT YOU, YOU APPROVED THE, THE WINDOWS THAT ARE IN THERE NOW, ON JUNE 21ST, 2023, WE WERE ISSUED OUR CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY.
IF THERE WERE ANY ISSUES ABOUT ANYTHING THAT WE HAD DONE IN A INAPPROPRIATELY OR ANYTHING, WE WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN ISSUED OUR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS.
THAT MEANT WE MET EVERY, EVERY, EVERY PARAMETER THAT THE TOWN PUT ON US TO DO THIS PROJECT, WHICH I BELIEVE WE DID.
WHAT I WANT YOU TO KNOW IS THAT, THAT I ALSO SPOKE TO ANTONIO AGUILAR AT THE NATIONAL PARK SERVICE WHO COVERS THE STATE OF SOUTH CAROLINA.
WHEN I ASKED HIM ABOUT THE JOINER PROJECT, MORE SPECIFICALLY DUE TO OUR APPEAL FOR THE WINDOWS, THIS IS HOW THIS CAME UP FOR ME TO PETITION TO ASK TO HAVE IT REMOVED.
HE SAID IF IT CAME BEFORE US, WE WOULD DENY IT FOR TAX CREDITS.
AS IT'S NO LONGER A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE AS ITS HISTORICAL INTEGRITY NO LONGER EXISTS.
HE STRESSED THAT JUST BECAUSE YOU USE SOME COMPONENTS FROM THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURE DOESN'T MAKE IT HISTORIC.
TO THE CONTRARY, IT IS A NEWLY CONSTRUCTED STRUCTURE THAT IS MADE TO LOOK OLD BY USING SOME OF THE ORIGINAL ELEMENTS.
FURTHER, HE STATED THAT NEW CONSTRUCTION DOES NOT QUALIFY AS A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE TO A DISTRICT.
WHAT YOU HAVE NOW IS A NON-CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE IN A HISTORIC DISTRICT.
YOU WILL STILL HAVE OVERSIGHT ON OUR PROPERTY BY IT BEING IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.
SO THAT'S NOT GONNA BE TAKEN AWAY FROM YOUR PURVIEW.
WHAT I'M ASKING IS, IT'S NOT A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE.
IF WE ATTACH THE CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE STATUS TO THE NEW BUILDING THAT WE HAVE SITTING THERE NOW WE'RE CREATING A FALSE SENSE OF HISTORY.
IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT THE 1930 JOINER HOUSE THAT GOT LISTED BASED ON THAT, THAT THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS BACK IN 1996 WHEN, AND ONE THING I DID WANNA CLARIFY, UM, IS THAT I, WHEN I SENT THE LETTER TO, TO HEATHER AND GLENN ASKING TO HAVE THE H R I, I WASN'T ASKING TO HAVE THE H R I FORMS REMOVED FROM THE BOOK.
IF YOU READ MY EMAIL, IN MY ATTACHMENT WITH MY APPLICATION, IT SAID I WANTED THE PAGES TO BE STAMPED THAT THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURE NO LONGER EXISTS.
AND THAT PEOPLE LIKE ME WHO DO THIS RESEARCH FOR A LIVING WOULD BE ABLE TO COME AND LOOK AND SEE THE ORIGINAL PHOTOGRAPHS AND INFORMATION THAT WAS USED FOR A BUILDING THAT NO LONGER STANDS.
SO I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT, THAT I WASN'T ASKING THAT HAVE IT REMOVED AND TAKEN OUT.
SO TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, WHY DO I WANT IT REMOVED? THAT'S WHY, BECAUSE YOU CAN'T TRANSFER, EXCUSE ME.
YOU CAN'T TRANSFER THE DESIGNATION FROM THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURE TO THIS NEW CONSTRUCTION BUILDING IT.
THEY'RE TWO DIFFERENT BUILDINGS.
SO I HOPE I ANSWERED YOUR QUESTION AND ASK ANOTHER.
WHEN WE APPROVED THE MOVING MM-HMM.
WHAT WORD DID WE PUT ON THAT? BECAUSE TO ME IT'S GONNA OPEN A PANDORA'S BOX THAT WE ALLOWED YOU TO MOVE THIS HISTORIC STRUCTURE AND NOW IT'S NOT HISTORIC, IT'S GONE.
SO WE MIGHT AS WELL HAVE DEMOLISHED IT.
WELL, THAT WAS A PANDORA'S BOX.
'CAUSE A LOT OF PEOPLE WANTED TO KNOW HOW IT WAS DEMOED.
AND YOU'RE SAYING WHAT PERCENTAGE OF THE OLD BUILDING IS NOW TOTAL PERCENTAGE? NOT WE SALVAGED, WE SALVAGED ABOUT, WELL, I'LL HAVE TO GO BACK TO MY NOTES ABOUT 75 5.
THE ONLY, UH, MR. MARKS, IF YOU COULD JUST INTRODUCE YOURSELF AND MAKE SURE WE HAVE THE RECORD.
I'M EUGENE MARKS, I'M HER HUSBAND AND CO-OWNER OF THE, OF THE CORNER.
UM, I MEAN IT'S, IT'S REALLY VERY SIMPLE.
75, THE ONLY MATERIAL SALVAGEABLE BECAUSE WE'VE GONE THROUGH THIS BETWEEN THE DRY ROT, BLACK MOLD, THE INFESTATION YOU SEE IN THE ENGINEERING REPORTS, 75% OF THE ROOF, ABOUT 65% OF THE SIDING AND ABOUT 80% OF THE BRICKS.
ONCE WE OPENED IT UP, IT WAS GONE.
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THE FIRE THAT WAS THERE.THEY JUST PUT DRYWALL OVER IT.
I MEAN, WE ASPIRE TO USE MORE, BUT IT JUST WAS NOT THERE.
PARTICULARLY IN THE CONTEXT OF HAVING TO REBUILD THIS WITH CODE.
WE HAD TO DO NEW CONSTRUCTION.
AND I REALLY, I, I MEAN I REA YOU ARE HITTING AND YOU'RE HITTING EXACTLY WHAT THE ISSUE IS HERE, WHICH IS, WHICH IS ABOUT THE FUTURE.
BUT BEFORE I TOUCH ON THAT, THE REASON WHY MELANIE WANTS THIS REMOVED IS NOT BECAUSE SHE DOESN'T RESPECT, IT'S BECAUSE SHE DOES RESPECT.
YOU CAN'T BE HISTORIC AND NEW.
SO THIS IS ABOUT A PURIST WHO'S SAYING THIS ISN'T, BUT THE MAIN ISSUE HERE, IF I CAN JUST SAY IT, IS WE HAVE TO GET AHEAD OF THIS IN THIS TOWN BECAUSE THIS CAN HAPPEN AGAIN.
AND, AND THERE'S PRECEDENT TO MOVE.
AND SO WE HAVE TO GET SMART LOOKING FORWARD.
WE DIDN'T GET INTO THIS TO TO, TO KIND OF HAVE SOME MANIPULATION HERE OR TO REMOVE IT.
WE, WE, WE, WE WENT TO GREAT LENGTHS.
WE COULD HAVE MOVED IT TO ANOTHER LOT.
SO WHY IS BECAUSE EITHER SOMETHING IS HISTORIC OR IT ISN'T.
AND WE CAN'T RATIONALIZE WITH OURSELVES TO CALL SOMETHING, SOMETHING THAT IT ISN'T.
OUR OBJECTIVE HERE IS TO KEEP IT AS BEAUTIFUL AS IT IS AND HAVE YOU HAVE OVERSIGHT.
WE DON'T PLAN TO DO ANYTHING ELSE.
BUT YOU HAVE OVERSIGHT OVER THIS.
I'LL STOP AND ANSWER QUESTIONS.
I AGREE THAT IT'S NEW, BUT WHEN I KNOW WHEN I VOTED THAT IT'S OKAY TO MOVE IT AND REHABILITATE, IS THAT THE WORD THAT WE USED? REHABILITATE? IT WENT BACK AND FORTH BETWEEN REHABILITATE, REPLICATE CONSTRUCTION, RECONSTRUCTION.
YEAH, YOU CAN DO IT IN MY MIND.
OKAY, WE'RE JUST PRESERVING THIS BUILDING AND MOVING OUT.
I GET BUILDING IT UP TO CODE EVERYTHING ELSE, BUT NOW WE'RE LOSING A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE.
BLUFFTON DOESN'T HAVE THAT MANY.
AND I AGREE WITH YOU AND I EMPATHIZED, BELIEVE ME, I, THIS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT I WANTED TO DO AND I'M NOT DOING IT OUT OF SPITE OR FOR ANYTHING.
THE REASON I AM DOING THIS IS BECAUSE I AM A PURIST.
I WORK IN THIS ENVIRONMENT EVERY DAY.
AND FOR ME TO, TO, TO BE ABLE TO GO HOME AND KNOW THAT WE DID NOT ATTACH THE DESIGNATION FROM THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURE TO HERE, BECAUSE IT, IT CAN'T, YOU CANNOT TRANSFER A DESIGNATION AND THE STRUCTURE THAT'S THERE NOW.
YOU, YOU WOULD, YOU WOULD HAVE TO RE-DESIGNATE THAT STRUCTURE AND GET TOWN COUNCIL TO APPROVE IT AS A NEW, AS A NEW CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE.
AND IT WON'T QUALIFY BECAUSE IT DOESN'T MEET THE CRITERIA.
SO TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION ABOUT, ABOUT IF THIS WAS SUCH A BIG ISSUE, GOING FROM THAT MEETING TO WHERE WE ARE TODAY, WE HAD AMPLE, AMPLE EMAILS GOING BACK AND FORTH WITH TOWN STAFF.
WE GOT A CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY FOR THIS.
SO THAT, THAT TOLD US THAT WE DID EVERYTHING THAT WE WERE SUPPOSED TO DO AND MEET THE CRITERIA FOR WHAT WE WERE SAID TO DO.
IF THERE WAS AN ISSUE WITH THIS LANGUAGE WITH RECONSTRUCTION, REHABILITATION, REPLICATION, WHATEVER YOU WANNA CALL IT, THEN SOMETHING SHOULD HAVE BEEN TOLD TO US THEN.
WELL, AND THE REALITY IS THERE WAS, IT'S JUST THAT WAS A, THERE WAS A, THERE WAS AN IN AND THIS IS LEARNING MM-HMM.
THERE WAS NOT A, IT'S ABOUT LEARNING.
IT WAS NOT A CLEAN HANDOFF FROM OUR MINDSET TO THE NEW BUILDING DEPARTMENT MINDSET BUILDING.
THERE WAS A MINDSET HERE, AND WE WERE DEALING WITH TWO ORGANIZATIONS WITH MINDSETS AND NEW CONSTRUCTION.
ONE, THAT'S WHAT IT'S, I MEAN THAT'S, I I THINK, I THINK IF WE REBUILT IT ON THE SAME SITE, ON THE SAME PIECE OF LAND, YOU COULD COULD RATIONALIZE THAT IT'S STILL A CONTRIBUTING RESOURCE, BUT IT'S, I I REALLY THINK THE, I REALLY THINK THE HORSE, WELL, JUST TO ADD, AND THEN I, I THINK I'VE COVERED EVERYTHING I WANTED TO, THIS WAS THE BUILDING PERMIT THAT WAS PUT ON THE PROPERTY FROM THE BUILDING OFFICIAL.
AND UNDER THE DESCRIPTION OF WORK, THIS IS WHAT WE WERE TOLD.
WE HAD TO DO SINGLE STORY STRUCTURE TO REPLACE, REPLACE EXISTING HISTORIC STRUCTURE ON SITE, NEW FOUNDATION FRAMING AND MECHANICAL SYSTEMS, EXTERIOR SIDING, TRIM BRICK ROOFING FROM EXISTING STRUCTURE TO BE USED TO CLAD NEW STRUCTURE.
HISTORIC WINDOWS AND DOORS ARE TO BE REUSED IN THIS NEW STRUCTURE TO THE GREATEST ATTEMPT, PRACTICAL, WE TRIED TO MAINTAIN THE HISTORIC INTEGRITY OF THE STRUCTURE.
SO WE COULDN'T RECONSTRUCT AND DO, BECAUSE WE WERE TOLD IT'S A NEW CONSTRUCTION.
SO I THINK THE PROBLEM IS THAT WE HAD, WE WERE, WE WERE BEING HANDLED BY TWO DIFFERENT ENTITIES, WHICH IS THE ONE
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THAT WATCHES OVER THE CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES.AND THEN THE BUILDING OFFICIAL WHO SAID IT HAS TO BE CODE.
AND I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU CAN MESH THE TWO, BUT, BUT THE REALITY IS, AND THEN WE'LL ANSWER SOME MORE DIFFERENT QUESTIONS.
THE REALITY IS IT'S NOT IN THE EXACT SAME LOCATION.
I BUILT SOME COTTAGES IN STOCK FARM YEARS AGO.
I USED RECLAIMED WOOD RECLAIMED ROOFING.
ARE THOSE HISTORIC DIFFERENT HISTORIC, COMPLETELY DIFFERENT? NO, IT'S NOT A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT, NOT A HISTORIC BUILDING TO START WITH.
THAT IS, IT IS NOW NEW CONSTRUCTION.
IT WAS OKAY TO MOVE IT BECAUSE WE HAVE JUST LOST A HISTORIC STRUCTURE IN BLUFFTON.
WELL, YOU DON'T HAVE TO LOSE IT.
YOU CAN LEAVE THE CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE AND DON'T KNOW, AND THEN YOU WILL NOW KNOW THAT EVERYONE WILL KNOW THAT THAT STATUS THAT WENT TO THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURE, WE HAVE BEEN APPLIED TO THE NEW WIN.
WE HAVE SO FEW LEFT IN BLUFFED IN THAT I, I AGREE WITH YOU WHOLEHEARTEDLY.
I KNOW THE 2019 SURVEY IDENTIFIED 142 NEW STRUCTURES THAT COULD BE INCLUDED.
THOSE, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE COULD BE WORKING ON.
UH, YOU KNOW, THERE'S, THERE'S, THIS IS, THIS WAS A, A UNIQUE SITUATION, BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT AT YOU CAN USE THAT STATUS THAT WENT WITH THAT HOUSE TO THIS ONE.
I, IF I, IF I MAY, I THINK THERE'S ALSO A CONCERN TO WHAT YOU WERE SPEAKING ABOUT EARLIER.
AND HONESTLY, WHAT YOU'VE DONE WITH THAT HOUSE IS MARVELOUS.
YOU WALK BY IT AND YOU SEE LIKE A CHARACTER OF LIKE A, A REFRESHED VERSION OF LIKE HISTORY OF CULTURE AND, UM, 7,500 YEARS FROM NOW, IF IT'S NOT PROTECTED, SOMEBODY CAN, CAN BULLDOZE IT.
AND I THINK THAT, I THINK WE'RE ALL JUST CONCERNED ABOUT WHO'S GONNA PROTECT IT WHEN WE'RE ALL GONE.
BECAUSE WHAT YOU'VE DONE IS FABULOUS.
AND I I I CAN ONLY SAY TWO THINGS I UNDERSTAND, AND THERE'S AN ISSUE HERE.
AND WE DIDN'T INTEND TO DO THAT.
THE SECOND THING IS, THERE'S A REALITY HERE.
I REALLY THINK THERE'S A REALITY HERE.
AND I'M SURE THAT WHEN THE NATIONAL PARK SERVICE HEARS ABOUT THIS OR SHIP OR SOMEBODY GONNA SAY, YOUR CREDIBILITY IS GONE, YOU JUST CAN'T DO IT.
AT LEAST WE GOT A WONDERFUL BUILDING.
AT LEAST WE'VE GOT A WONDERFUL BUILDING AND IT LOOKS GOOD.
AND WE ARE, WE ARE SHEPHERDS OF THIS AND WE HAVE NO PLANS TO SELL IT, BUT IT'LL HAPPEN.
NOT UNLESS HEAVEN, I'M GONNA GO TO MY, AND THIS WILL GO TO THE KIDS OR SOMETHING.
I THINK THE LEARNING HERE IS WHAT ARE WE GONNA DO ABOUT THE OTHERS? WHAT ARE WE GONNA DO? WHAT ARE WE GONNA DO? BECAUSE THERE'S SOME, AND I DON'T WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE NAMES, BUT THERE'S BUILDINGS IN THIS TOWN THAT ARE FALLING APART EVERY DAY.
AND YOU KNOW WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN? THE SAME THING'S GONNA COME TO YOU OR THEY'RE GONNA MOVE 'EM.
AND WE HAVE TO GET OUR ARMS AROUND THIS.
WE DON'T HAVE TO HAVE ANOTHER ONE OF THESE THINGS OUT.
SO WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT THOSE RIGHT NOW.
I, I, I APPRECIATE THAT AS FAR AS LOOKING FOR THE FUTURE OF BLUFFTON AND WHAT HAVE YOU.
BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT'S ON THE TABLE TONIGHT.
A BUILDING THAT WAS, HAS BEEN HERE FOR YEARS, WHICH HAS BEEN DEMOLISHED ESSENTIALLY.
THAT, THAT I I CAN'T ADD ANY MORE TO WHAT, WHAT THE REALITY OF WHERE WE ARE IS.
NO, I, I MEAN, NO, I MEAN THAT'S, THAT'S ALL WE CAN'T DO ANYMORE EXCEPT TO SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, IF YOU KEEP THE CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE STATUS ON THIS NEW BUILDING, THEN WE'RE SETTING, SENDING A FALSE SENSE OF HISTORY ON THIS PRO ON THIS PROPERTY.
'CAUSE THAT'S NOT, AT LEAST THAT, THAT'S NOT WHAT THE H R I FORMS ARE REPRESENTING.
AND ANYBODY THAT COMES IN AND LOOKS AT THOSE ORIGINAL H R I FORMS THAT WAS DONE ON THAT HOUSE IS GONNA REALIZE IT'S NOT THE SAME HOUSE.
WHEN, WHEN YOU WERE, WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU WERE REALIZING THAT MATERIALS FROM THE ORIGINAL HOUSE, SOME YOU COULD USE, SOME YOU COULD NOT USE.
WHEN DID IT OCCUR TO YOU THAT MAYBE, LIKE THIS IS NO LONGER A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE? IT DIDN'T OCCUR TO ME UNTIL I HAD TO COME BEFORE YOU FOR THE WINDOWS.
AND THEN I HAD TO RESEARCH THE WINDOWS TO UNDERSTAND ARE THEY APPROPRIATE, WHICH I KNEW THEY WERE, BUT I HAD TO LET YOU UNDERSTAND WHY THEY WERE APPROPRIATE.
AND WE ALL, I DON'T THINK YOU WERE ON THE BOARD AT THAT TIME.
SO IT WAS DURING THAT RESEARCH THAT I WAS REACHING OUT TO ANYBODY AND EVERYBODY IN THE PRESERVATION WORLD, COLLEAGUES, YOU NAME IT, I CALLED THEM.
AND THAT'S WHEN I GOT AHOLD OF ANTONIO AGUILAR AFTER I HAD WATCHED A, A LECTURE THAT HIS, HIS COLLEAGUE DID IN THE SAME, IN THE SAME DEPARTMENT ON REPLACEMENT WINDOWS AND WHAT'S APPROPRIATE.
SO WHEN I TALKED TO, TO JOHN SANDER, THEN HE TOLD ME TO TALK TO, UH, ANTONIO.
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ANTONIO'S THE ONE THAT TOLD ME IT CAN'T BE, IT CAN'T BE A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE ANYMORE.SO IT WASN'T UNTIL THEN WE HAD NO, NO, I WASN'T GOING ANYWHERE WITH THIS.
BUT WHEN HE TOLD ME THAT, THEN ME AS A, AS A PRESERVATIONIST WHO WORKS IN THIS FIELD ON A REGULAR BASIS EVERY DAY, YOU KNOW WHAT I'VE DONE IN TOWN? I'VE DONE THE GARVIN HOUSE, I'VE DONE CAMPBELL CHAPEL, I'VE DONE BURNT CHURCH DISTILLERY.
I'M, I, I'M NOT A HATER OF PRESERVATION.
IT, THIS IS MORE OF A TECHNICAL THING THAT I HAD.
I HAD TO, ONCE I KNEW WHAT, WHAT ANTONIO TOLD ME, I COULD NOT SIT BACK AND ALLOW IT TO STAY IN THEIR CONSCIENCE.
SO I HOPE YOU UNDERSTAND THAT'S WHERE I'M COMING FROM, THAT, THAT IT'S NOTHING OTHER THAN A TECHNICALITY THAT I JUST, I, I HAVE A HARD TIME WITH.
AND I WORK WITH HRIS AND THESE HISTORIC SURVEYS ON A REGULAR BASIS.
I DID THE ONE IN OUR OWN TOWN GETTING IT UPDATED IN 2008.
I'M CURRENTLY SITTING ON A HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION FOR THE TOWN OF RIDGEFIELD, CONNECTICUT.
WE'RE UPDATING OUR HISTORIC RESOURCE INVENTORY.
I DON'T EVEN LIVE IN THEIR TOWN.
SO IT WAS COMING FROM THE PRESERVATIONIST IN ME WHO WAS A PURIST AND, AND THAT'S WHY.
BUT IT WASN'T UNTIL THE VERY END, WELL, I GUESS WE ARE REALLY NOT HAVE A SAY ON WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN.
WE'RE JUST SUPPOSED TO EXPRESS OUR OPINIONS AND LET THAT BE KNOWN.
IF Y'ALL ARE READY TO START GETTING INTO YOUR, UM, DISCUSSION MM-HMM.
UH, SOME OF THE THINGS THAT, I'VE HEARD SOME, SOME COMMENTS ON THOSE, BUT I'LL WAIT UNTIL Y'ALL FINISH WITH THE APPLICANT'S PRESENTATION.
DOES ANYBODY ELSE HAVE QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT'S? NO.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF OR ANY REMARKS FROM STAFF TO HEAR? I HAVE NO PARTICULAR COMMENTS OTHER THAN JUST TO REITERATE, REGARDLESS OF WHAT HAPPENS AT TOWN COUNCIL, THE SURVEY FORMS WILL REMAIN ARCHIVED.
THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE DESTROYED, MOVED, RIPPED OUT, THROWN AWAY ANY SHAPE OR FORM.
SO THEY WILL STAY REGARDLESS OF WHATEVER DECISIONS ARE MADE.
BUT I'M OPEN TO ANY OTHER QUESTIONS THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE.
ANY QUESTIONS AND, AND GIVEN THE STATE THAT THE STRUCTURE IS IN IT, YOU KNOW, OUR DECISION TODAY, UH, IS INDIVIDUAL TO THIS PROJECT AND KIND OF SEPARATE FROM OTHER, UH, PROPERTIES WITHIN THE TOWN, CORRECT? THAT'S RIGHT.
SO YOU'RE NOT FULLY SETTING ANY KIND OF PRECEDENT TONIGHT BY MAKING A RECOMMENDATION ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.
ALL 84 STRUCTURES, UM, ARE INDIVIDUALS AND WILL BE IF THEY COME INFORMED YOU IN FUTURE, YOU TREAT IT AS AN INDIVIDUAL WITHOUT ANY PRECEDENT GOING FORWARD.
KNOWING WHAT YOU KNOW NOW FROM THIS PROJECT, WOULD YOU HAVE DONE IT ANY DIFFERENTLY? IS THERE PROBABLY A HARD QUESTION THAT'S YEAH.
KIND OF A HARD QUESTION TO ANSWER.
I'M JUST TRYING TO LOOK FOR LESSONS LEARNED.
YEAH, I, I THINK, I THINK THAT QUESTION MAY BE ABLE TO BE ANSWERED IN GIMME A FEW MORE MONTHS.
WOULD THE APPLICANTS DO ANYTHING DIFFERENTLY? UH, CAN I COME UP PLEASE? I DON'T, WE DID EVERYTHING WE COULD TO GET A BEAUTIFUL END RESULT IN THE CONTEXT OF THE ECONOMICS THAT WE HAD TO DEAL WITH, BECAUSE IT'S VERY EXPENSIVE TO DO THIS AND WHAT THE LAND COST.
SO I WOULDN'T, I WOULDN'T HAVE DONE ANYTHING DIFFERENT.
MAYBE I WOULD, MAYBE BECAUSE OUR OBJECTIVES ARE NOT TO HAVE THIS REMOVED AS A CONTRIBUTING RESOURCE.
WE KIND OF GOT THERE AND MELANIE'S A BLACK AND WHITE PERSON AND SHE DEALS WITH PEOPLE THAT YOUR CREDIBILITY IS IMPORTANT.
I THINK WE HAVE LEARNED SOMETHING.
I WON'T TAKE THE TIME BECAUSE IT'S BEEN SAID, THIS ISN'T ABOUT ANYTHING ELSE.
WE HAVE TO PROTECT THESE RESOURCES AND BE THOUGHTFUL AND THINK AHEAD, PARTNER WITH THESE OWNERS BEFORE THEY MAKE THEIR MIND UP AND THE ECONOMICS ARE SET.
IF WE DON'T GET AHEAD OF THIS AS A TOWN AND IDENTIFY THE NEXT SIX OR SEVEN STRUCTURES THAT THIS MAY HAPPEN TO, THEN FROM A LEGAL STANDPOINT, WE'RE GONNA BE LOCKED.
WE GOTTA GET AHEAD OF THIS THE NEXT, THAT'S THE RESOURCES.
THE TOWN HAS THE RESOURCES TO DO THIS.
THIS IS NOT A MASSIVE UNDERTAKING.
THERE'S 10 OR 12 OF THESE HOUSES.
WE SHOULD APPOINT A PERSON, SAY, YOUR JOB IS TO MAKE SURE THAT
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THESE THINGS ARE PRESERVED ON SITE TO THE DEGREE WE CAN.IF WE DON'T DO THAT, THE LAW AND THE INERTIA IS GONNA DRIVE THIS TO PEOPLE WHO MIGHT NOT HAVE THE SAME MOTIVE AS MILLI.
AND I, THE LAST THING I HAVE TO SAY, I PROMISE THEN I'M GONNA GO SIT OUT.
UM, WOULD I DO ANYTHING DIFFERENTLY? I DON'T THINK I WOULD.
ON JULY 7TH, NO, JULY 9TH, WE HAD 45 JOINER DESCENDANTS COME AND DO A BLESSING OF THE HOUSE.
ANTOINETTE JOINER IS REVEREND ANTOINETTE JOINER BLESS THE HOUSE.
AND THEY ALL CAME AND I HAVE A PHOTOGRAPH OF ALL OF THEM SITTING ON THE SIDE PORCH.
THAT WAS PROBABLY THE MOST WONDERFUL ASPECT OF EVERYTHING THAT WE'VE BEEN THROUGH, IS TO SEE THEM COME IN THIS HOUSE KNOWING IT'S NEW, KNOWING IT'S NEW, AND HAVE WALTER WILLIAMS SAY, THAT WAS MY, MY BEDROOM WAS, OR VIVIAN JOIN HER SAYING, I I CLEANED DISHES AND DID LAUNDRY BACK THERE IN THE KITCHEN.
NOW THAT THOSE MEMORIES ARE STILL IN THIS HOUSE IN A DIFFERENT WAY.
SO DID WE DO WHAT WE WANTED TO DO? YES, WE PROMISED DOROTHY SINGLETON THAT WE WOULD HONOR HER LEGACY AND HER DAUGHTER, HER DAUGHTER IS BERNIE.
SO IF I DID ANYTHING WRONG, I'M SORRY, BY OPENING UP THIS PANDORA'S BOX, BUT I WILL, I WILL NOT SAY THAT I WOULD CHANGE ANYTHING, NOT AFTER THAT DAY.
ALRIGHT, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR RICHARDSON? SORT OF WHAT OUR NEXT STEPS ARE? I GUESS WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO VOTE ON APPROVING OR DENYING.
UM, YEAH, SO TONIGHT Y'ALL HAVE THE ABILITY TO EITHER VOTE TO RECOMMEND THAT THIS BE REMOVED AS A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE TO TOWN COUNCIL WHERE YOU CAN VOTE TO RECOMMEND THAT IT NOT BE REMOVED.
SO ULTIMATELY THAT IS YOUR, YOUR RESPONSIBILITY IS TO MAKE A DETERMINATION AS TO THE RECOMMENDATION TO BE SUBMITTED TO TOWN COUNCIL.
UM, JUST A, JUST A FEW QUICK THINGS BECAUSE THERE ARE SOME CONFUSING ASPECTS OF THIS.
THERE'S A LOT OF A LOT OF MOVING PARTS.
UH, JUST TO PROVIDE A LITTLE BIT OF ADDITIONAL CONTEXT, UH, MR. SPRUCE, WHO IS THE BUILDING INSPECTOR, IS DIFFERENT THAN THE U D O ADMINISTRATOR, WHO'S HEATHER CO.
UH, HEATHER IS IN HER DEPARTMENTS ARE LARGELY OVER ZONING MATTERS LIKE THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.
WHEREAS RICHARD IS THE BUILDING INSPECTOR AND IS PRIMARILY FOCUSED ON BUILDING CODES.
AND WHILE THERE IS SOME OVERLAP IN THE BUILDING PROCESS, UH, STATEMENTS THAT RICHARD HAS MADE ARE NOT NECESSARILY, YOU KNOW, CONCLUSIVE.
AND I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT BECAUSE OF THE TITLE, HIS TITLE IS BUILDING INSPECTOR.
UM, ULTIMATELY THERE'S NO ESTABLISHED CRITERIA FOR THE REMOVAL OF A CONTRIBUTING RESOURCE UNDER THE TOWN CODE.
SO WHAT STAFF HAS PROVIDED YOU IS WHAT HAS BEEN USED IN THE PAST AND MAKING THIS SORT OF DETERMINATION.
UM, AND ULTIMATELY, AGAIN, IT IS YOUR DECISION TO MAKE AS TO A RECOMMENDATION TO TOWN COUNCIL.
IF YOU HAVE ANY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER THEM FOR YOU, BUT I DON'T WISH TO INTERJECT MY OPINION INTO IT.
HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I MEAN, JUST FOR GENERAL DISCUSSION, WE OPEN IT TO JUST GENERAL DISCUSSION.
UM, YOU KNOW, I I THINK THIS BOARD IS CHARGED WITH, UH, PROTECTING BLUFF AND, YOU KNOW, WHAT MAKES BLUFF AND BLUFFTON AND THE, YOU KNOW, ECCENTRIC TOWN THAT IT IS.
UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK THE, UH, H P C WAS CORRECT IN DENYING THE, UM, YOU KNOW, DEMOLITION REQUEST, YOU KNOW, UPFRONT, UH, YEARS BACK.
UM, YOU KNOW, THE SMALL COTTAGES ARE WHAT A LOT OF WHAT MAKES, YOU KNOW, THE HISTORIC FABRIC OF BLUFFTON, UM, AND ARE IMPORTANT TO THE TOWN.
UM, LOOKING AT THE QUESTION OF, IS THIS STILL A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE AT FACE VALUE AND CONSIDERING THE SUPPORT OF HISTORIC, UH, BLUFFTON FOUNDATION, UM, AND, AND, UH, THE MARK'S COMMENTS, I THINK THAT IT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE TO REMOVE THE LISTING.
UM, I THINK THERE'S A LOT TO LEARN HERE FOR THE BOARD MOVING FORWARD AND, YOU KNOW, BUILDING A NEW BUILDING IS GONNA REQUIRE THE, YOU KNOW, REQUIREMENTS OF THE I R C OR THE I B C, WHATEVER APPLIES.
UM, AND I THINK WE JUST NEED TO UNDERSTAND THAT MOVING FORWARD AND PUT A LITTLE BIT MORE THOUGHT INTO, UM, THOSE, YOU KNOW, THE NEW USES AS, AS, UH, PEOPLE LOOK TO REUSE THESE BUILDINGS FOR DIFFERENT THINGS.
JUST A QUESTION AMONG US, DO YOU THINK THIS ALL STARTED BECAUSE IT WAS APPROVED TO MOVE THE BUILDING? YES.
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THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.THE HAYWARD HOUSE HAS BEEN MOVED, RIGHT? ISN'T THE HAYWARD HOUSE USED TO BE SOMEWHERE ELSE? MOVING A STRUCTURE IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAN YEAH.
UH, UH, BUILDING A NEW STRUCTURE.
ONCE YOU START BUILDING A NEW STRUCTURE, YOU HAVE TO ABIDE NEW CUTS.
EVERYTHING INSIDE OF THE SKIN, WHICH IS WHAT THEY DID, NEEDS TO HAVE ALL THE TIE DOWNS AND BE MODERN CONSTRUCTION FOR HURRICANE PROTECTION AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
UH, WHEREAS WHEN YOU MOVE A STRUCTURE, YOU'RE KIND OF TREATING THE FOUNDATIONS THAT WAY AND MAYBE DOING SOME EDITS ON THE INSIDE THROUGH THE WALL.
BUT IT'S KIND OF THE SORT OF TWO DIFFERENT THINGS.
AND I, YOU KNOW, RICHARD'S COMMENTS DON'T SURPRISE ME.
SO I GUESS HAD WE KNOWN, HAD THE BOARD KNOWN THAT MOVING, IT WOULD'VE OPENED UP, THAT BOX WOULD'VE HAVE BEEN APPROVED.
IS THERE SOMETHING CONSIDERED MOVING FORWARD ON THESE PROJECTS? MM-HMM.
I, I, I, I SEE THIS HAPPENING THEN I SEE DEAR TONGUE'S GONNA COME TO US NEXT YEAR SAYING, OH, IT'S NEW, UH, NEW CONSTRUCTION.
IT JUST, WE'RE LOSING WHAT MAKES BLUFFTON BLUFFTON.
AND I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY TAKING, I UNDERSTAND THAT IT'S NEW AND IT'S NO LONGER CONTRIBUTING INSTRUCTION, BUT A PERCENTAGE OF IT IS STILL, BUT IT, THERE'S A PERCENTAGE AND YOU GET THE FEELING THE JOINERS LOVED IT.
PEOPLE WALK BY AND FEEL THE, OH, I, I I'M, I STRUGGLING TO UNDERSTAND THE BENEFIT OF TAKING IT OFF THE LIST IS WHERE I'M STRUGGLING.
THE BENEFIT FOR THE TONE OF LUPTON, I WHOLEHEARTEDLY AGREE.
I HAVE TROUBLE WITH IT BECAUSE I A HUNDRED PERCENT AGREE THAT I WANT TO SEE IT PROTECTED AND I WANT TO SEE IT, UH, ENJOY THE BENEFITS OF BEING A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE.
BUT BY THE DEFINITION IT'S NOT.
SO I'M TORN BETWEEN JOE'S COMMENT WHERE IT IS NOT TECHNICALLY IT'S NEW CONSTRUCTION.
SO IT'S, IT CAN'T BY DEFINITION BE A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE, EVEN THOUGH A LARGE PERCENTAGE OF IT, EVEN THOUGH A LARGE PERCENTAGE OF IT IS.
BUT BY DEFINITION, I MEAN, YEAH, THAT'S ROUGH.
SO, WELL, WHO DOES IT BENEFIT, OR, I MEAN, WHAT IS THE BENEFIT OF REMOVING IT FROM THE LIST FROM THE TOWN? I THINK MELANIE SAID IT BECAUSE SHE FEELS LIKE SHE'S FALSELY SAYING IT'S A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE NOW THAT IT'S NEW CONSTRUCTION.
FROM A, FROM A LEGAL PERSPECTIVE, ONE OF THE MAIN, UH, MAIN
UM, SO IN, IN, IN THEORY, AS SOON AS THIS IS REMOVED OR IF THIS IS REMOVED, UH, THE PROCESS TO DEMOLISH WOULD BE SUBSTANTIALLY EASIER.
AND SO IT WOULD LOSE THAT LEVEL OF PROTECTION.
AND WHAT, WHAT Y'ALL ARE STRUGGLING WITH IS, ALTHOUGH, YOU KNOW, SOMEWHAT UNIQUE TO TON IS CERTAINLY NOT A UNIQUE, UH, CONSIDERATION.
IT'S, YOU KNOW, THE, UH, IT'S, IT'S A PARADOX THAT HAS BEEN EDD FOR THE CENTURIES AS TO YOU SLOWLY REMOVE A, YOU KNOW, A PLANK OF A SHIP THAT'S SITTING IN THE HARBOR.
AND AS YOU REMOVE IT, WHEN DOES IT BECOME A NEW SHIP? WHEN DOES IT, WHEN DOES IT STOP BEING THE EXISTING SHIP? AT WHAT POINT IS IT NEW CONSTRUCTION? AT WHAT POINT IS IT A REHABILITATION OF AN EXISTING STRUCTURE? SO THERE, THERE ARE QUESTIONS.
THERE ARE, THERE'S, I I, FROM A LEGAL STANDPOINT, I THINK YOU HAVE SOME FLEXIBILITY AND YOU'RE REACHING YOUR DETERMINATION.
THERE IS, UM, IT'S ULTIMATELY, IT'S ULTIMATELY UP TO Y'ALL ON THE RECOMMENDATION THAT YOU MAKE TO TOWN COUNSEL.
BUT YOU'VE HEARD THE PRESENTATIONS TONIGHT AND Y'ALL'S, SO IT'S WHAT WHATEVER WE HAD THINK IS JUST A RECOMMENDATION ANYWAY.
SO IT'S NOT GONNA BE, IT'S NOT UP TO US.
SO, SO COUNSEL I IMAGINE WILL RELY, WILL RELY HEAVILY UPON YOUR OPINION, BUT IT IS NOT A DETERMINANT, IT'S NOT A DEFINITIVE DECISION THAT YOU MAKE HERE TONIGHT.
IT'S NOT GOING TO DETERMINE HOW TO, HOW COUNSEL DECIDES, BUT ULTIMATELY IT COULD INFLUENCE THEIR DECISION.
IS THERE ANYTHING AT A STATE OR NATIONAL LEVEL ON THE HISTORIC REGISTRY THAT WOULD, IF WE WERE TO KEEP THE CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE STATUS AND A NATIONAL REGISTER TOOK IT OFF FOR THE SAME REASON THAT IT'S NOT TECHNICALLY, THAT IT IS NEW CONSTRUCTION, NOT AN OLD STRUCTURE.
MAYBE THIS IS A QUESTION FOR GLEN.
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BE SOMETHING AT ODDS THERE THAT WOULD, SO THE STRUCTURE, CURRENT STRUCTURE AND THE PREVIOUS INCARNATION OF THE STRUCTURE, UM, HAS ALREADY BEEN DETERMINED TO BE NOT ELIGIBLE FOR LISTING IN THE NATIONAL REGISTER.AND IT'S CURRENTLY NOT LISTED IN THE NATIONAL REGISTER.
SO IT WAS NEVER, IT WAS NEVER, IT'S CURRENTLY NOT PART OF THE NATIONAL HISTORIC DISTRICT, NOR WILL IT BE ADDED TO THE NATIONAL HISTORIC DISTRICT IN THE FUTURE.
AND, AND, AND FROM THE VERY LIMITED AMOUNT OF KNOWLEDGE I HAVE IN THIS AREA, AND THERE'S NOT MUCH IN HISTORIC PRESERVATION LAW 'CAUSE IT'S A RELATIVELY, I MEAN, ALTHOUGH NOT IT'S A RELATIVELY NEW FIELD, UM, LAW CONS, LAW WISE, I MEAN, IT'S BEEN DECADES AND DECADES AND DECADES, BUT IT'S REALLY ABOUT MORE AFTER 1960 QUESTION MM-HMM.
SO THERE, THERE'S LITTLE, THERE'S LITTLE, UM, LAW TO RELY ON CASE LAW.
UH, THERE ARE SOME EXAMPLES OF RELOCATED STRUCTURES, UM, THAT HAVE RETAINED HISTORIC STATUS.
BUT, BUT THE APPLICANT FOUNDATION AND OTHERS ARE CORRECT, THAT ONCE YOU BEGIN THAT RELOCATION PROCESS, THAT, UM, THE, THE REHABILITATION PROCESS AS WELL, THE RECONSTRUCTION, THAT IT DOES LOSE SOME OF THE ESSENTIAL HISTORIC FABRIC THAT MADE IT CONTRIBUTING IN THE FIRST PLACE.
THE QUESTION IS WHETHER THIS PARTICULAR LOCATION, THIS PARTICULAR RECONSTRUCTION IS OF SUCH AN EXTENT, AT LEAST IN MY OPINION, TO JUSTIFY THE REMOVAL OF IT FROM THE CONTRIBUTING RESOURCE LIST.
IS THERE ANY OTHER DISCUSSION HERE? OR IF NOT, I GUESS I'D LIKE TO GO ONE BY ONE AND SEE HOW PEOPLE FEELING ABOUT HOW THEY WOULD VOTE SO THAT WE COULD MAKE A MAJORITY MOTION CONCERN.
ALL, UH, I THINK I ALREADY MADE MY COMMENTS, BUT I WOULD, UH, SUPPORT REMOVING IT FROM THE LIST.
I KIND OF MADE MY COMMENTS AND I PROBABLY WOULD NOT.
WHO WOULD NOT, WOULD NOT SHOWING HERE.
BUT FEEL FREE TO GO AHEAD AND EXPRESS YOUR PITTING OR YOU'RE WAITING ON ME
I, I HATE, I HATE SAYING THAT, BUT I THINK YOU HAVE TO, IT'S, IT'S STILL A GREAT BUILDING AS PART OF THE FABRIC OF THE TOWN, BUT WHAT WE'RE SAVING AT THIS POINT IS THE, THE SKIN AND THE AESTHETIC UM, ABOVE THE COTTAGE THAT WAS THERE AND THE, THE MEMORIES FOR THE FAMILY.
UM, BUT FROM A INTEGRITY STANDPOINT AND KIND OF THE HISTORIC REGISTER, I THINK IT MAKES SENSE TO REMOVE IT, I GUESS I'M CAUGHT UP ON IS OF THE TOWEL.
WE HAVE THE DISCRETION TO ABOUT INTEGRITY OF THE HISTORY THAT HAS BEEN HERE IN BLUFFTON.
I THINK, I THINK IT WILL PROTECTION FROM BEING DEMOLISHED, BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT IT WILL BE.
AND THERE'S A, WITH, FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND, THERE'S NO CONDITIONS FROM WHAT WE DECIDE, RIGHT? WE CAN'T PUT A CONDITION ON IT.
IT'S JUST A, A RECOMMENDATION TOWN COUNCIL.
I HEAR ALL THE PROFESSIONALS SAYING THAT IT SHOULD BE TAKEN OFF BASED ON THE DEFINITION, BUT I THINK FOR ME, WE'D HAVE THE DISCRETION TO LEAVE IT ON BECAUSE WE WANT TO PROTECT IT.
AND THAT'S HOW IT, I THINK THAT WOULD BE SO ALLOW TO DENY.
SO DO YOU HAVE TO DO A FORMAL VOTE? UH, WE'LL ASK FOR A MOTION.
YOU ASK FOR A MOTION FROM EITHER COMMISSIONER SCHUL OR VICE CHAIRMAN FRAZIER.
I MOVE THAT WE DENY THE RECOMMENDATION TO REMOVE IT FROM THE, UH, HISTORIC CO AS A CONTRIBUTOR STRUCTURE TO NOT DENY NOT TO NOT REMOVE IT.
SO, ALL IN JUST, UH, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE, UM, THAT IT IS A MOTION TO RECOMMEND THE DENIAL OF THE REMOVAL OF THE CONTRIBUTING RESOURCE STATUS.
IS THERE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND.
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FURTHER DISCUSSION THEN AN ALL IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION? AYE.SO THE MOTION IS, UH, APPROVED THREE TO TWO TO DENY THE RECOMMENDATION VOTE.
UH, MOVING TO DENY TO, UH, NAY AGAINST THAT, SHE, NO.
THAT CONCLUDES AGENDA NUMBER, ITEM NUMBER TWO.
[IX.3. Public Project: A request by Charles Savino, on behalf of The Town of Bluffton, for recommendation of approval of a Public Project to include improvements to the outdoor pavilion and passive recreation areas located at the existing Oyster Factory Park (55 Wharf Street) in the Town of Bluffton, SC, identified by Tax Map Numbers R610 039 00A 0191 0000, R610 039 00A 0190 0000, R610 039 00A 0165 0000, R610 039 00A 0262 000, and R610 039 00A 0261 0000. (DP-01-22-016299) (Staff - Katie Peterson)]
MOVE ON TO THE LAST ITEM ON THE NEW AGENDA ON THE NEW BUSINESS PUBLIC PROJECT.GOOD EVENING AGAIN, COMMISSIONERS.
UM, THE LAST ITEM THAT WE HAVE BEFORE US ON THE NEW BUSINESS SECTION HERE IS A, UM, PUBLIC PROJECT APPLICATION.
THIS IS ANOTHER APPLICATION WHERE YOU WILL BE RECOMMENDING, UM, RATHER THAN MAKING A MOTION FOR APPROVAL OR DENIAL.
SO YOU'LL EITHER RECOMMEND APPROVAL OR RECOMMEND DENIAL OF THE APPLICATION, OR IN THEORY ON THIS ONE, YOU CAN RECOMMEND, UH, APPROVAL WITH CONDITIONS SHOULD YOU FEEL THAT APPROPRIATE.
UM, SO, UH, AS IS STATED IN YOUR PACKET, PUBLIC PROJECTS, WHICH ARE LOCATED WITHIN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT COME BEFORE THE H P C FOR COMMENT PRIOR TO BEING EITHER APPROVED, DENIED, OR APPROVED WITH CONDITIONS BY THE UNI U D O ADMINISTRATOR.
IN THIS CASE, THEY'RE THE FINAL REVIEW AUTHORITY.
THE APPLICATION THAT WE HAVE BEFORE US TONIGHT IS FOR IMPROVEMENTS TO OYSTER FACTORY PARK.
UM, THIS IS A PHASE TWO OF A PROJECT THAT YOU HAVE SEEN BEFORE YOU, MAYBE NOT THIS FULL COLLECTIVE BOARD HERE, UM, WHEN THEY DID THE PARKING IMPROVEMENTS.
SO THIS IS THE RIVER ON THIS SIDE OF YOUR SCREEN HERE.
AND THIS IS BRIDGE STREET ON THIS SIDE HERE.
THIS IS WHARF STREET AND THEN THE GARVIN HOUSE.
SO THE PREVIOUS VERSION OF THIS WAS FROM ABOUT THIS DASH LINE HERE, ALL THE WAY TOWARDS BRIDGE STREET WHERE THEY RECONFIGURED THE PARKING.
WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING NOW IS TO, UM, MAKE IMPROVEMENTS TO THE PARK IN THE AREA BETWEEN THE EXISTING PAVILION AND THE, UM, STAIRCASE THAT LEADS DOWN TO THE GRAVEL PARKING LOT OF THE OYSTER FACTORY PARK.
WHAT THEY'RE DOING, UM, WHILE IT WILL HAVE SUBSTANTIAL APPEARANCE OF IMPROVEMENTS, IS NOT REALLY ALL THAT MUCH THEY'RE IN.
THEY'RE PUTTING BACK IN STONE WHERE STONE WAS.
UM, THERE WASN'T A CRUSHED OYSTER ROCK MIX THAT WAS IN THERE.
UM, AND THEY'LL BE FILLING IT WITH SOME, UM, LIMESTONE.
THEY HAVE PROPOSED TO BUILD A, UM, PORCH, I GUESS IS THE MOST APPROPRIATE WORD FOR IT, OR A CONTINUATION OF THE FOUNDATION SINCE THIS IS JUST A OPEN PAVILION.
UM, THAT WILL BE THIS PORTION HERE.
AND THEN THEY'LL HAVE SOME, UM, MUSEUM STYLE STAIRS THAT GO DOWN INTO THE OPEN AREA HERE.
THEY'RE PROPOSING TO PUT A WOOD PLATFORM AROUND THE LARGE OAK IN THE CENTER OF THE PARK AND A SMALL, UM, PLATFORM WHERE A BAND OR A, YOU KNOW, PERFORMER COULD SET UP WHERE THE PERFORMER OR BAND ALREADY SETS UP.
ONLY NOW IT WOULD BE A STABLE SURFACE FOR THEM THERE.
SO THAT'S A WOOD SURFACE THERE.
AND THEN THERE ARE SOME PAVERS HERE SHOULD THEY NEED TO EXPAND BEYOND THIS.
I BELIEVE IT'S 14 BY 25 FOOT WOOD STRUCTURE HERE.
UM, I HAVE CLARIFIED WITH OUR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT DEPARTMENT, UM, CHARLES SABINO IS HERE BEHIND ME TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF THE PROJECT AND ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU ALL HAVE.
BUT THEY HAVE INDICATED THAT BECAUSE OF THE PROXIMITY OF THESE TREES, THE PIERS FOR THESE WILL BE HAND DUG TO AVOID THE ROOTS AND, AND MAKE SURE THAT THOSE ARE PROTECTED.
AND THE AREAS THAT ARE DIRECTLY ADJACENT TO THE TREES WILL BE TREATED INCREDIBLY CAREFUL WITH THE SIDEWALK.
WHETHER IT'S THAT THE SIDEWALK IS PULLED IN A BIT, THEY USE A PAVER RATHER THAN THE POURED CONCRETE.
UM, I GUESS THE TABIA POUR TABBY, UM, OR, UM, THEY PULL IT IN A LITTLE BIT FROM THAT IN ORDER TO AVOID ROOT SYSTEMS AS THEY NEED TO IN THE FIELD.
SO THE BIG THINGS THAT THEY'RE ADDING IS THE SIDEWALK THAT IS THERE CURRENTLY ALREADY IS THE TREE AND THE, AND THE, UM, STOMPED DOWN AREA THAT WILL BE NOW WOOD RATHER THAN JUST COMPACTED DIRT.
UM, AND THEY'LL BE GIVING THIS AREA A, A REFRESH.
SO THE PLANS THAT YOU HAVE IN YOUR PACKET ARE ACCURATE.
I HAVE, UM, THESE PICTURES HERE, WHILE THESE ARE NOT IMAGES OF EXACTLY WHAT WILL BE THERE, BECAUSE THESE ARE PICTURES OBVIOUSLY FROM ELSEWHERE.
UM, THIS IS KIND OF AN IDEA OF WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING AT.
FOR THE BANDSTAND AREA HERE, IT WILL NOT BE THIS
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LARGE BECAUSE IT'S NOT AN L-SHAPED, BUT IT'LL HAVE PROBABLY A ONE STEP UP OR SO THE PERMEABLE PAVER STYLE HERE, THE LIMESTONE THAT YOU'LL SEE, UM, WHICH IS, THIS IS I BELIEVE PALMETTO BLUFF THAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT HERE IN THAT PICNIC AREA, IF YOU'VE EVER BEEN NEAR THE TREE HOUSE.UM, AND THEN THE STEPS THAT THEY'RE PROPOSING NEAR THE, UM, EXISTING PAVILION JUST TO KIND OF FORMALIZE THAT AREA A BIT MORE AND MAKE IT MORE USABLE FOR THE SPECIAL EVENTS THAT ARE THERE.
THEY ALSO WILL BE INSTALLING SOME POWER PEDESTAL, POWER PEDESTALS.
UM, THESE LITTLE BLACK DOTS DOWN HERE, UM, WHERE THE FOOD TRUCKS CURRENTLY SET UP FOR SPECIAL EVENTS.
THEY WILL CONTINUE TO DO SO, BUT, UM, IN THEORY THAT WILL REDUCE SOME OF THE NOISE FROM THOSE AS THEY'LL NO LONGER NEED TO USE THE GENERATORS.
BUT WE'LL HAVE A POWER SOURCE THAT IS, UM, INSTALLED THERE.
SO AGAIN, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE.
UM, THE MOTION THAT YOU'LL BE MAKING TONIGHT WILL BE EITHER A RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL OR A RECOMMENDATION OF DENIAL OR A RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL WITH CONDITIONS.
UM, AND I'VE GOT IDEA OF WHAT THAT MOTION COULD LOOK LIKE HERE ON THE SCREEN BEFORE YOU, IN A VERY FORMAL WORD DOCUMENT, SHOULD YOU, UM, SEE ONE OF THESE FIT OR YOU COULD MAKE CHANGES TO IT.
BUT THIS WILL GIVE YOU A START.
IS THERE ANY PRESENTATION BY THE APPLICANT? CHARLES JUST FOUND THAT I DIDN'T PREPARE A, UH, FORMAL PRESENTATION OR ANYTHING FOR YOU GUYS TONIGHT.
UM, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THOUGH THAT YOU MAY HAVE ABOUT THE PROJECT.
DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? SMALL, YES MA'AM, GO AHEAD.
THE BAHAMA LIMESTONE, IS THAT GONNA LIVE NEAR LIVE, LIVE OAK TREES? I'M SORRY, THE BAHAMA LIMESTONE? YES, MA'AM.
NOT GONNA LIVE LIKE ON OR NEAR.
SO THE LIVE OAK IT, I, THERE WAS A KEY WE WERE LOOKING AT AND IT WAS A LITTLE UNCLEAR WHICH SURFACE, SO RIGHT.
SO I'LL TRY, I'LL TRY AND DO THIS WITH THE MOUSE.
SO THIS IS THE MAIN LIVE OAK TREE THAT, THAT IS KIND OF IN THE CENTER OYSTER FACTORY TODAY.
AND THIS IS KIND OF THE OUTSKIRTS OF THE LIMITS OF THE DECKING, IF THAT MAKES ANY SENSE.
SO YOUR QUESTION IS, WILL THIS LIMESTONE HERE KIND OF CREEP IN UNDERNEATH, UH, THE DECKING TO THE TREE? AND THE ANSWER TO THAT WILL BE NO, IT'S GONNA BE CONFINED ALONG THIS EDGE HERE, SO IT WON'T GO, UH, UNDERNEATH THE TREE THERE.
YEAH, I JUST HEARD THAT LIMESTONE IS NOT GREAT FOR LIVE OAKS.
I BELIEVE THE OTHER AREAS WE'RE LOOKING AT WERE HERE.
AND HE DID POINT OUT EARLIER THAT THIS'LL BE, UM, PLANT MATERIAL SIMILAR TO WHAT'S IN FRONT OF TOWN HALL IN FRONT OF THOSE TREES.
AND I, SO THAT'S WHAT THAT YEAH, WE LOOKED AT THE, WE WERE TRYING TO FIND THE, UM, CROSSHATCHING FOR THAT AREA.
SO THIS IS ON PAGE, UH, LET ME GET THE PAGE NUMBER HERE.
AND YOU CAN SEE HERE THIS, THIS IS A, I THINK A TREE THAT WE'RE REFERRING TO AND WHAT WE'VE DESIGNATED THIS AREA AS KIND OF A RAIN GARDEN AND AREA TO CAPTURE, UH, WHATEVER STORMWATER, UH, THAT, THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO GRADE THE SITE TO CAPTURE THE STORMWATER AND STORED ON SITE.
SO THAT'S, UH, THAT AREA THERE.
AND THEN WE'VE GOT ANOTHER SIMILAR AREA PLANNED DOWN HERE.
I WAS JUST GONNA SAY, UM, IT'S A GREAT ENHANCEMENT TO WHAT'S OUT THERE CURRENTLY.
I WAS AT THE ORCHARD FACTORY THIS PAST WEEKEND POINT EVENT AND THIS WOULD MAKE IT SO MUCH BETTER, ESPECIALLY WITHOUT ALL THE DIRT
OTHER QUESTIONS? UH, IT'S JUST, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT YOU GUYS ARE GONNA DO, UH, CAREFUL CONSTRUCTION AROUND A LIVE OAKS AND CONSIDER MAYBE MOVING SOME THESE SIDEWALKS A LITTLE BIT FURTHER AWAY FROM THE TRUNKS AS WELL.
SO, UM, UH, UH, AS KATIE MENTIONED IN PARTICULAR, LIKE THIS LIVE OAK TREE HERE, ONE OF THE THINGS WE'VE DISCUSSED IS, UM, AND IT MORE OF A FIELD DECISION IS TO MOVE THIS SIDEWALK IN SOME, TO GET IT AWAY FROM THE BASE OF THE TREE.
AND THEN ALSO TOO, WE'RE GONNA GO BACK TO THE LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT AND MOST LIKELY PUT IN AS AN ALTERNATE AROUND WHERE THESE TREES ARE, UH, TO PUT PAVERS.
SO, UH, SO WE WOULDN'T HAVE TO POUR ANY SITE, YOU KNOW, ANY CONCRETE, UH, ADJACENT OR NEAR THE TREES.
WE COULD JUST KIND OF STOP SHORT 10 FEET OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT AND GO WITH A PAVER.
YEAH, YOU DID THAT RIGHT ON BRIDGE STREET AROUND THE BIG TREES ON, THAT'S RIGHT.
SO WE, WE WOULD KEEP A TABBY COLOR JUST BECAUSE EVERYTHING OYSTER FACTORY IS BASICALLY TABBY COLOR WITH OYSTER SHELL IN IT.
SO WE WOULDN'T MOST LIKELY HAVE THAT KIND OF, THAT RED BRICK COLOR THAT YOU SEE ON BRIDGE STREET.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THIS A OKAY THEN I GUESS I'M LOOKING FOR A MOTION I MOVE.
WE RECOMMEND APPROVAL TO THE U D O ADMINISTRATOR FOR THE SITE CHANGES TO OYSTER FACTORY PARK AS SHOWN IN THE SUBMITTAL MATERIALS FOR DP DASH OH ONE DASH 22 DASH OH 1 62 99.
IS HEARING ANY DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR?
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AYE.[X.1. Historic District Monthly Update. (Staff)]
RUN THROUGH THE DISCUSSION PORTION AND WE HAVE SOMETHING NEW HISTORIC DISTRICT MONTHLY UPDATE.WE LIKE TO KEEP ADDING NEW THINGS SO YOU ALL DON'T GET BORED.
UM, NO, I'M JUSTING
UM, MOSTLY AS AN F Y I, I PROBABLY WON'T EVEN, UM, DISCUSS IT AS IN DEPTH AS I AM TODAY JUST BECAUSE IT'S THE VERY FIRST ONE.
BUT THIS IS A SUMMARY OF THE DIFFERENT SITE FEATURES, UM, OR AMENDMENTS THAT HAVE, UM, COME THROUGH THE GROWTH MANAGEMENT DEPARTMENT BECAUSE YOU ALL DO NOT REVIEW EVERY SINGLE APPLICATION FOR EVERY LITTLE ITEM THAT COMES THROUGH THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, DOWN TO THE SIGNS.
THAT IS SOMETHING THAT HAS BEEN, UM, HANDED OFF TO STAFF TO TAKE CARE OF.
UM, THESE ARE THE ITEMS THAT HAVE BEEN REVIEWED AND APPROVED DURING THE PREVIOUS MONTH.
SO MOSTLY IN THIS CASE IT IS SIGNS.
UM, SO THIS IS, IT SAYS ROOF COMPANY SIGN BECAUSE IT IS A ROOF COMPANY, BUT IT'S ACTUALLY A SIGN, NOT A ROOF THAT'S BEEN REDONE.
THERE WAS A SIGN FOR, UM, 18 BRUIN ROAD AND 4 70 57 28 GUILFORD.
UM, THEY DO HAVE BUSINESS LICENSES.
THEY DO MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT ORDINANCE.
EVERYTHING IS GOOD TO GO ON THERE OR WE WOULD NOT HAVE APPROVED IT.
AND THEN THE LAST ONE IS THAT THE CONSTRUCTION OF A BRICK GARDEN WALL TO REPLACE THE NON HISTORIC WOOD PICKET FENCE IN FRONT OF 82 CALHOUN STREET WAS APPROVED AS WELL.
SO THOSE ARE THE ITEMS. IN CASE YOU HAVE QUESTIONS ASKED OF YOU OR YOU HAVE QUESTIONS FOR STAFF, UM, WE CAN EITHER ANSWER, ANSWER THEM IN THIS FORM, OR UM, YOU ALL CAN GIVE US A CALL BECAUSE THIS JUST GIVES YOU A BREAKDOWN OF IT SINCE IT'S NOT REALLY LISTED OUT VERY SPECIFICALLY ANYWHERE ELSE.
ANY QUESTIONS? BRUCE WOULD BE HAPPY IN THE NOTES.
YOU ARE ABLE TO FIND THEM ONLINE, BUT YOU HAVE TO DO SOME DIGGING.
SO YOU DO HAVE TO DO A LITTLE BIT OF DIGGING.
SO WE'RE MAKING A A LITTLE CHART HERE FOR YOU.
IS THERE ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? I GUESS I JUST WANNA CLARIFY ON THE PREVIOUS PROJECT, ON THE SECOND AGENDA ITEM, SINCE I WAS THE TYING BOAT, THE SORT OF THOUGHT, THEIR LOGIC BEHIND IT, I FELT THAT THE PROTECTION THAT WE'D GIVE IT BY LEAVING IT A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE OUTWEIGHED THE LOGIC OF IT.
TECHNICALLY NOT MEETING A SPECIFICATION, I DIDN'T SEE ENOUGH BURDEN AND TAKING IT OFF THAT MADE IT WORTH TYING IT.
AM I ALLOWED TO SAY THAT OR NO? I THINK WE, WELL I I I WOULD, I WOULD, WOULD URGE CAUTION ON, YOU KNOW, RE RELIVING
BUT I CERTAINLY UNDERSTAND YOU, YOU WANTING TO YEAH.
IN THE FUTURE I'LL TRY AND ADD THAT WHEN THE AGENDA ITEM IS RELEVANT.
LOOKING FOR MOTION TO ADJOURN? I MOTION TO, OH, I A MOTION TO BE ADJOURN? SECOND.