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[I. CALL TO ORDER]
TO ORDER WEDNESDAY, AUGUST 23RD.MAY I HAVE A CALL? UH, ROLL CALL PLEASE.
HERE, VICE CHAIRMAN CHARLIE WHITMORE.
[III. NOTICE REGARDING ADJOURNMENT]
ADJOURNMENT.THE PLANNING COMMISSION WILL NOT HEAR NEW ITEMS UNTIL AFTER NINE.
WILL NOT HEAR NEW ITEMS AFTER 9:30 PM UNLESS AUTHORIZED BY A MAJORITY VOTE OF THE COMMISSION MEMBERS PRESENT ITEMS WHICH HAVE NOT BEEN HEARD BEFORE NINE 30 MAY BE CONTINUED TO THE NEXT REGULAR MEETING OR A SPECIAL MEETING DATE AS DETERMINED BY THE COMMISSION MEMBERS.
[IV. NOTICE REGARDING PUBLIC COMMENTS*]
COMMENTS.EVERY MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC WHO IS RECOGNIZED TO SPEAK SHALL ADDRESS THE CHAIRMAN.
AND IN SPEAKING, AVOID DISRESPECT TO THE COMMISSION, STAFF OR OTHER MEMBERS OF THE MEETING.
STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS WHEN SPEAKING FOR THE RECORD, COMMENTS ARE LIMITED.
[V. ADOPTION OF THE AGENDA]
HAVE AN ADOPTION OF THE AGENDA? SECOND.[VI. ADOPTION OF MINUTES]
THE MINUTES FOR JULY THE 26TH? I'LL MAKE A MOTION.PUBLIC COMMENTS FOR ITEMS NOT ON THE EDGE OF IT.
[VIII.1. Refuel (Certificate of Appropriateness - Highway Corridor Overlay)]
BUSINESS.THE REFUEL CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS HIGHWAY CORRIDOR OVERLAY.
UM, A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO PERMIT THE LANDSCAPE LIGHTING AND ARCHITECTURE FOR REFUEL CONVENIENCE STORE AND GAS STATION.
LOCATED ALONG SOUTH CAROLINA, HIGHWAY 46 ACROSS FROM THE MAY RIVER CROSSING.
UH, GOOD EVENING PLANNING COMMISSION.
I'M HERE, UM, ON BEHALF OF MS. PETERSON, UM, THAT HAVE SOME, SOME WELL DESERVED TIME OFF.
UH, SO SHE'S, SHE'S OUT THIS EVENING.
UM, UH, THIS CASE WAS, UH, BROUGHT IN FRONT OF YOU, I BELIEVE THAT WAS, UM, AND IT WAS TABLED FOR A COUPLE OF ITEMS DEALING WITH THE BUILDING ITSELF.
UH, I BELIEVE A LOT OF THOSE ITEMS HAVE BEEN ADDRESSED, UH, THROUGH THAT PROCESS.
UH, ONE ITEM THAT I WANTED TO BRING TO YOUR ATTENTION, WHICH HOPEFULLY EVERYONE OPPORTUNITIES, THE SITE PLAN WAS REVISED IN ORDER FOR THE APPLICANT TO GET THE, UH, UH, FOUNDATION PLANTINGS.
THERE WAS AN ADJUSTMENT TO THE PARKING AREA IN BETWEEN THE CONVENIENCE BUILDING AS WELL AS THE, UH, CAR WASH.
SO THE APPLICANT HAS UPDATED THEIR PLANS.
THEY'VE ACTUALLY MOVED THESE PARKING SPACES OUT.
UM, AND THEY HAVE TWO PARALLEL SPACES IN MOVING THE, UH, VACUUMS OVER HERE, UH, WHICH IS ACTUALLY A PRETTY GOOD THING.
SO THAT WAY IT PREVENTS, UH, ANY CONFLICTING MOVEMENTS WITH THE CAR WASH AND THE PARKING.
SO, UH, THAT WAS ONE OF THE BIG CHANGES FROM THE SITE PLAN CAME ABOUT.
I BELIEVE EVERYONE HAS HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO SEE THE ELEVATIONS.
I'M JUST GONNA GET SCROLL THROUGH THOSE RATHER QUICKLY.
UM, IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS YOU CAN ASK.
UM, ONE OF THE ITEMS, UH, THAT I WILL BRING FORWARD HERE IS THAT THERE ARE TWO, UH, DUMPSTERS THAT ARE SHOWN ON THE SITE PLAN.
AND WE JUST RECOMMEND THAT WE HAVE THE, THE, THE BOTTOM ONE HERE IN BLACK AND WHITE REMOVED.
UH, MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THAT'S THE, UH, THE DUMPSTER, THAT'S FOR THE MEDICAL OFFICE BUILDING THAT'S LOCATED NEXT DOOR.
UH, SO IT'S A, A, A PARTNERSHIP BETWEEN THOSE TWO, UM, APPLICANTS AS THIS IS MOVING FORWARD.
BUT THE ONE IN COLOR HERE IS, UM, FOR REFUEL, AND THIS IS THE CAR WASH DETAILS CANOPY AS WELL.
UH, THE DESIGN OF THE CANOPY WAS CHANGED.
UH, MATERIAL BOARD HAS BEEN UPDATED AS WELL.
UH, THE FROSTED GLASS, UH, AND THE CANOPY, THIS IS THE EXAMPLE, UM, WAS PROVIDED THE LIGHTING PLAN.
UM, SO THE, I THINK THE, THE NUMBERS ARE STILL COMPLIANCE, BUT JUST THE UPDATE OF THE, UM, THE SITE PLAN THERE.
AND THEN THE ORIGINAL LANDSCAPE PLAN WAS ADJUSTED AND THERE'S AN INCREASE IN, UM, THE DIFFERENT TYPE OF PLANT MATERIALS.
UH, AND THAT'S ON THE ADJUSTED L UH, UH, SITE PLAN AS WELL.
UH, IS ABLE TO MEET ALL OF THE REVIEW CRITERIA THAT ARE LISTED IN, UH, 3 17 3 THIS EVENING.
YOU HAVE THE ABILITY TO APPROVE THE APPLICATION AS SUBMITTED, APPROVE WITH CONDITIONS, OR TO DENY THE APPLICATION.
UM, OF THE 15 ITEMS, UH, THAT WERE PROVIDED IN THE MEMO, YOU CAN SEE THAT THERE WERE THREE THAT WERE HIGHLIGHTED IN RED, UM, THAT WOULD, UH, NEED TO BE ADDRESSED FOR THE FINAL PLAN.
UM, WE HAVE THOSE STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS HERE.
UM, THAT'S JUST TO, UM, ALL COMMENTS.
UH, AND THEN THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN MUST BE APPROVED PRIOR TO THE C OF THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS BEING ISSUED.
UH, ANY SIGNED PERMITS ARE ISSUED SEPARATELY AND THAT, UM, YOU CAN, UH, IF YOU SO
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CHOOSE WITH THE, UM, TO INCLUDE ON HERE IS THAT THAT AL BRICK DUMPSTER ENCLOSURE IS ENCLOSURE, IS REMOVED FROM THE LANDSCAPE PLAN.UM, SO WITH THAT, I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
THE APPLICANT'S HERE AND IS AVAILABLE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE THE APPLICANT LIKE TO SPEAK.
WOULD YOU LIKE TO SPEAK ON ANY? YEAH, I THINK WE'RE GOOD.
I THINK IT'S, SINCE WE HAD A PRESENTATION BEFORE, I THINK OH, TO THE MICROPHONE, UM, HAVE TO ADDRESS ALL THAT.
OUR WITH ODYSSEY SERVICES GROUP, WE'RE KIND OF THE PROJECT MANAGER FOR REFILL ON THIS.
UM, ALL THE ONLY THING I HAVE TO SAY REALLY IS THAT WE'VE GONE THROUGH SOME EXTENSIVE CHANGES.
UH, WE MET WITH KATIE MULTIPLE TIMES AND KIND OF TRIED TO ADDRESS ALL THE COMMENTS YOU GUYS HAD.
I THINK, UH, MORE SO RIGHT NOW WE'RE JUST HERE TO PROVIDE ANY FEEDBACK OR ANY ANSWER, ANY QUESTIONS YOU GUYS MIGHT HAVE.
UM, CARRIE, WERE THERE ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS REGARDING THIS PROJECT? YES.
DOES ANYONE WANNA START OR HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR KEVIN OR THE APP? I HAVE A QUESTION.
UM, I WAS WONDERING IF YOU WERE ABLE TO ADDRESS THE PREVIOUS COMMENT ABOUT HAVING THE L E D FIXTURES AT THE BUILDING BEING A WARM COLOR TEMPERATURE.
I'M CLICKING JUST COME UP TO THE, SORRY,
THAT'S
I'M TRYING TO, I'M PULLING UP THE DRAWINGS HERE.
I KNOW OUR CIVIL ENGINEER HAD PULLED SOME DETAILS AND IT WAS JUST CHANGING THE REFERENCE OF THE LIGHTS TO A, WELL, I'M TRYING TO DECIPHER, WHAT DO YOU WANNA LOOK FOR THAT ONE? HOW ABOUT WE DO THIS? YES.
LEMME LOOK, SEE IF THERE'S ANY OTHER QUESTIONS AND THEN WHILE YOU'RE LOOKING FOR IT, WE CAN CAN LOOK INTO IT.
WHAT'S THAT? YOUR MAIN THING OR DO YOU HAVE ANOTHER? THAT WAS MOST OF IT, AND THEN THERE WAS JUST, I DON'T THINK THIS NEEDS TO BE A CONDITION, BUT I THINK THE MOUNTAINS ARE NOT EQUALLY SPACED IN SOME OF THE WINDOWS.
I THINK IT'S JUST A DRAWING ERROR.
I ANYTHING, BUT IF WE CAN MAKE 'EM EQUAL, THAT'D BE GREAT.
MICHAEL, DO YOU HAVE ANY FURTHER COMMENT RIGHT NOW? QUESTION.
I THINK THERE WERE MULTIPLE DUMPSTER, UM, ENCLOSURE DETAILS.
I KNOW KEVIN HAD ALLUDED TO, BUT, BUT I THINK SOME OF THE PLANS, LIKE THE, THE CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS HAD, UM, A BRICK BASE SIMILAR TO THE BUILDING AND THEN THE HARDY, UM, THAT WAS ONE OF THE COMMENTS THAT WE, THAT I, I, I SAW THAT PROBABLY SHOULD BE JUST ONE DETAIL ON, ON ALL THE PLANS MATCHING.
UM, AND REALLY MY, MY PREROGATIVE IS TO HAVE A HIERARCHY OF THE BUILDING BEING THE BRICK BASE AND THE, THE, UH, THE DUMPSTER ENCLOSURE BEING THE, THE SOFTER MATERIAL.
THE, THE HARDY BOARD COMPLETELY.
SO FROM A STAFF LEVEL, WHAT WE CAN DO IS WE CAN WORK WITH THE APPLICANT, APPLICANT, MAKE SURE IF THERE'S ANY ADDITIONAL DETAILS THEY'RE REMOVED.
AND YOUR, I'M ASSUMING ONE OF YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS WOULD BE IF YOU SO CHOOSE TO MOVE FORWARD, IS TO REMOVE THE BRICK, UM, BASE FROM THE DUMPSTER AND CAR WASH.
I WAS, UM, TALKING ABOUT HIGH HIERARCHY, UM, PIGGYBACKING ON HIM, I THINK WITH THE CAR WASH AS WELL, I DON'T THINK YOU NEED THE BRICK ON THE BOTTOM.
I THINK IT'S MORE OF A SIMPLE STRUCTURE AND YOU WANT THE MAIN BUILDING TO BE THE, THE PRIORITY, YOU KNOW, THE EMPHASIS THE PRIMARY.
SO I THINK THAT'LL SAVE A LITTLE BIT, JUST ACCENT IT ON THE BUILDING AND THEN PUT WHAT DO YOU THINK, LYDIA? I AGREE.
I THINK THAT IT'LL PROPORTIONATELY FEEL A LITTLE BIT BETTER TOO.
AND THIS WHERE THE, THE LIGHTING HAD BEEN CHANGED.
IT HAD GONE FROM A, A LOWER OUTPUT TO A, IT REDUCING THE LOWER, LIGHTLY LOWER OUTPUT AND A WARM WHITE, UM, OUTPUT ON IT.
SO WE'LL MAKE IT HARDER AND THAT'S LESS EXPENSIVE.
REMOVING ALL THAT BRICK
JIM, DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER NO, I'M JUST ACTUALLY JUST TRYING TO CATCH UP ON THAT.
THAT WAS WHAT I WAS WONDERING ABOUT THE EXTRA DUMPSTER.
SO THAT'S, I THINK I'VE CLARIFIED.
WELL, IF EVERYBODY'S KIND OF SATISFIED.
DOES ANYONE WANNA MAKE A MOTION WITH THE ITEMS WE'VE DISCUSSED AND STAFF? LYDIA, WOULD YOU LIKE TO MORE
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THE APPLICATION WITH CONDITIONS A AND B FROM STAFF AND THEN WITH THE CONDITION THAT THE, UM, DUMPSTER ENCLOSURE BE ALL HARDY BOARD AND THAT THE CAR WASH ALSO BE ALL HARDY BOARD WITHOUT THE BRICK BASE AND THAT THE LIGHTING AT THE BUILDING BE A WARM COLOR TEMPERATURE.DO WE HAVE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR, AYE.
THANK YOU FOR ALL YOUR HARD WORK.
[IX.1. Compass Commons at New Riverside Village (Development Plan)]
BUSINESS COMPASS COMMONS AT NEW RIVERSIDE VILLAGE DEVELOPMENT PLANNER REQUEST BY CONNOR BLANEY AWARD.EDWARDS ENGINEERING ON BEHALF OF LEE LUCIER OF THE RICHARDSON GROUP FOR APPROVAL OF A PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN APPLICATION.
AND I APOLOGIZE IF I SAID YOUR NAME WRONG, DAN.
THIS IS A PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN APPLICATION FOR COMPASS COMMONS AT NEW RIVER VILLAGE, THE APPLICANT'S CONNOR BLANEY OF BOARD EDWARDS.
THE PROJECT PROPOSES FOUR COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS TOTALING ABOUT 16,000 SQUARE FEET.
IT'S ON TWO SUBJECT PROPERTIES THAT ARE ZONED NEW RIVERSIDE, P U D, AND IT'S WITHIN THE NEW RIVERSIDE VILLAGE MASTER PLAN.
THIS AERIAL PHOTO SHOWING THE LOCATION IT IS ON THE EASTERN SIDE OF THE NEW RIVERSIDE VILLAGE DEVELOPMENT.
IN BLUFFTON EXPLORER SHOWING TWO SEPARATE SUBJECT PROPERTIES.
THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN APPLICATION ON THE NORTHERN PARCEL.
THERE'S TWO RESTAURANT BUILDINGS TOTALING 5,125 SQUARE FEET, AND AN ADDITIONAL 875 SQUARE FEET OF OUTDOOR DINING ARE PROPOSED THIS PARCEL'S ON THE HIGHWAY CORRIDOR OVERLAY.
SO YOU'LL SEE THIS AGAIN WHEN THEY COME THROUGH FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS.
THE SOUTHERN PARCEL THAT IS TWO BUILDINGS TOTALING 12,000 SQUARE FEET.
UM, THE BUILDINGS ARE INTENDED MOSTLY FOR RETAIL SPACE WITH SOME RESTAURANT SPACE, UH, UP TO EIGHT TENANT SPACES, ONE OF WHICH THE NORTHERN MOST PARCEL HAVING THE CAPABILITY OF A DRIVE-THROUGH LANE.
STAFF COMMENTS FOR THE PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN WERE REVIEWED AT THE JUNE 21ST, 2023, AND THE JULY 19TH, 2023 MEETINGS OF THE D R C AND A SECOND RESUBMITTAL WAS PROVIDED ON JULY 25TH.
UH, THIS THIS IS, THIS IS A, WHAT THEY PRESENTED AS A MASTER SITE PLAN EXHIBIT.
IT SHOWS BOTH OF THE, UH, PARCELS AND CONTACTS, AND THAT'S MAY RIVER ROAD OUT HERE.
IT'S A, IT'S A FULL, FULL ACCESS ROAD.
THIS IS WHAT I'LL REFER TO AS A NORTHERN PARCEL.
THE BACK I'LL REFER TO AS A SOUTHERN PARCEL.
UM, IT'S THE SITE PLAN FOR THE NORTHERN PARCEL.
A LITTLE BIT CLOSER UP, JUST A COUPLE, COUPLE OF THINGS TO MENTION IS IT IS, IT IS, UH, TWO, ACTUALLY TWO BUILDINGS THAT ARE CONNECTED WITH THE ROOF STRUCTURE AND THE 875 SQUARE FEET OF OUTDOOR DINING IT'S SHOWING HERE.
UH, IT'S ON THE CORRIDOR OVERLAY, UM, BUT UH, REQUIRES 24 PARKING SPACES.
THAT'S BASED ON FOUR SPACES PER THOUSAND SQUARE FEET OF BUILDING.
THAT'S TRUE FOR ANY OF THE USES WITHIN NEW RIVERSIDE VILLAGE.
THIS IS THE SOUTHERN PARCEL, A CLOSEUP OF IT AS WELL.
UM, IT IS, UH, TWO RETAIL PLACES.
EACH ONE OF THOSE IS 6,000 SQUARE FEET EACH UP TO FOUR TENANTS.
UH, THE NORTHERN MOST TENANT SPACE INCLUDES A DRIVE-THROUGH AND THAT WOULD BE HERE.
SO THIS INCLUDES QUEUING FOR THE DRIVE THROUGH HERE, WHEREAS ON THE OTHER SIDE, IT'S ACTUALLY PARALLEL PARKING ALONG WITH PARALLEL PARKING ACROSS THE STREET.
UM, 48 SPACES ARE REQUIRED AND 48 SPACES ARE PROVIDED.
UM, ALL THE BUFFERS ARE IN PLACE.
PLANNING COMMISSION SHALL CONSIDER THE CRITERIA SET FORTH IN SECTION THREE TEN THREE A OF THE U D O IN ASSESSING THE APPLICATION FOR PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
HERE'S THE REVIEW CRITERIA ONE THROUGH SIX THAT WERE, THE RESPONSE WAS, UH, INCLUDED IN YOUR PACKET.
PLANNING COMMISSION HAS THE AUTHORITY TO TAKE THE FOLLOWING ACTION AND THAT'S APPROVED.
THE APPLICATION HAS SUBMITTED, APPROVE THE APPLICATION WITH CONDITIONS TABLE, THE APPLICATION OR DENIED THE APPLICATION AS SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT.
TOWN STAFF FINDS THAT THE REQUIREMENTS OF SECTION THREE TEN THREE A OF THE U D O ARE MET AND RECOMMENDS THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION
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APPROVE THE APPLICATION AS SUBMITTED.I'LL OPEN UP FOR ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.
YOU, CONNOR, WOULD YOU LIKE TO SPEAK TO THE PROJECT? YOU DON'T.
CONNOR BLANEY WITH FORD EDWARDS ENGINEERING.
I'M PART OF THE CIVIL ENGINEERING TEAM.
ALSO HAVE STEVE SALARIES HERE WITH A 1 0 1 WHO'S THE ARCHITECT FOR THIS PROJECT.
UM, I THINK DAN DID A GREAT JOB GIVING AN OVER CAP.
SO IF Y'ALL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, WE'RE HAPPY TO ANSWER.
AND CARRIE, DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT? OKAY, I WANNA START WITH QUESTIONS.
CHARLIE, HOW ABOUT YOU, DAN? THE, UM, THE LANDSCAPE IS ACTUALLY DURING H C O D REVIEW, IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT.
IT'LL ONLY BE FOR THE FRONT PARCELS AS WELL THAT ARE IN THE HIGHWAY CORRIDOR OVERLAY.
JUST, JUST SO THE APPLICANT CAN HEAR THIS, UM, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THE LANDSCAPE BUFFER ALONG THE BACK OF THE BUILDING IS LESS THAN EIGHT FEET.
WE HAVE TO, MY KNOWLEDGE, NEVER MADE AN EXCEPTION OF LESS THAN EIGHT FEET.
AND, YOU KNOW, THE APPLICANT THAT WAS JUST IN HERE BEFORE YOU HAD TO MOVE THE PARKING AND THE CAR WASH AND ALL THAT TO MAKE, MEET THAT EIGHT FOOT BUFFER.
SO THAT MAY BE A POINT OF CONTENTION AT THE H C O D JUST TO POINT THAT OUT TO YOU.
NOW, I KNOW IT'S A VERY TIGHT SPACE AND I KNOW YOU DON'T WANT TO REDUCE SQUARE FOOTAGE AND THAT'S THE LAST THING YOU WANNA DO, BUT JUST UNDERSTAND THAT'S A REQUIREMENT,
AND THAT'S, THAT'S NOT ANYTHING WE'RE RULING ON NOW, BUT JUST BECAUSE YOU'RE COMING UP TO IT, WE'RE TRYING TO KEEP YOU FROM HAVING TO COME BACK TWICE.
UM, SINCE THE, UH, BUILDINGS FACE THE NEW RIVERSIDE ROAD, UM, AND TRYING TO PROMOTE AS MUCH OF THE, THE, UM, THE, THE EIGHT FOOT BUFFER THAT WE COULD ALONG THE REAR OF THAT BUILDING, WE PUSHED THE SIDEWALK DOWN TO, TO ALLOW THE, UH, PARKING STALLS TO WALK AROUND TO THE FRONTAGE, UM, WHILE THE A D A IS DIRECTLY CONNECTED WITH CONCRETE THROUGH THE CORRIDOR.
SO MICHAEL, FOR ANYTHING, LYDIA AND JUST AS A, UM, HEADS UP FOR THE ARCHITECTURE, I KNOW WE'RE NOT RULING ON THAT RIGHT NOW, BUT BE AWARE AND CAREFUL WITH YOUR, UM, AC UNITS FACING MAY RIVER ROAD.
THEY REALLY SHOULDN'T BE FACING THE HIGHWAY CORRIDOR.
THE, THE PRESENTING SIDE OF THE BUILDING IS WHETHER IT'S THE ACTUAL ENTRANCE OR NOT, THE PRESENTING SIDE OF THE BUILDING.
AND H C O D NEEDS TO BE THAT MAY RIVER ROAD AND WITH THAT TURRET UP THERE, THAT'S AN AREA OF CONCERN.
WHAT, WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO WITH Y'ALL IS THE LAST FOUR OR FIVE THAT HAVE COME FOR H C O D AND THAT'S OUR NEXT AGENDA ITEM.
BUT THE LAST FOUR OR FIVE THAT HAVE COME FOR H C O D HAVE HAD TO TABLE THEIR APPLICATION TO GO BACK AND MAKE CHANGES.
SO WE'RE TRYING TO PREVENT THAT FROM HAPPENING AND GIVE YOU AS MUCH INFORMATION NOW AS POSSIBLE.
UH, AND STEVE STOWS WITH ARCHITECTURE 1 0 1, I'M THE ARCHITECT ON THE PROJECT.
UH, REALLY APPRECIATE THE FEEDBACK.
UM, SO THE AC UNITS, THERE ARE NO AC UNITS THAT FACE SPRING RIVER.
THERE IS A, THERE IS A, UM, EXHAUST STACKED AND WE ARE SCREENING THAT.
WELL, WHATEVER THAT IS, THERE NEEDS TO BE SOMETHING.
YEAH, WE'VE GOT A, A LITTLE, IF YOU CAN REVERSE PARA SCREEN, I CAN'T REALLY, JUST BECAUSE OF THE ARRANGEMENT OF THE KITCHEN, THE GREASE STACK HAS TO COME UP.
YOU NEED TO REVISIT THAT BECAUSE THAT'S GONNA BE AN ISSUE COMING IF IT'S FORWARD.
EVEN IF IT'S FULLY SCREENED, IF IT'S MAY RIVER ROAD, THAT'S YOUR PRIMARY OKAY.
SO I WILL, I WILL HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT LATER IF YOU KEEP PUTTING IT IN.
UM, OTHER, I'VE GIVING YOU A HEADS UP.
OTHER PROJECTS HAVE HAD TO ROTATE THE HOLES, THE WHOLE, OR 180 DEGREES TO GET THAT VISUAL AWAY THREE OR FOUR MONTHS AGO NOW.
THERE WAS ANOTHER ONE THAT WE HAD A LOT OF REWORKING, SO OKAY.
WE JUST DON'T WANT YOU TO HAVE TO DO THAT.
UM, IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE ANYONE HAS, I KNOW THAT WE'RE NOT RULING ON CERTAIN THINGS, BUT JUST TO GIVE THEM A HEADS UP FOR LATER, WHAT YOU MIGHT BE LOOKING FOR.
UH, IT'S A LITTLE BIT OF UNORTHODOX, BUT WE'RE JUST TRYING TO HELP YOU TO NOT HAVE THIS.
NO, WE REALLY APPRECIATE IT, KEVIN.
KEVIN'S GETTING READY TO PRESENT SOMETHING TO US,
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SO THAT'LL BE PART OF ANOTHER PROCESS THAT YOU'RE NOT IN QUITE YET.WELL,
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.
[X. DISCUSSION]
ON THE AGENDA IS A WORKSHOP ITEM FROM KEVIN.UM, SO AS YOU CAN JUST TELL, WE'VE BEEN HAVING SOME ISSUES WITH, UM, WITH THESE HIGHWAY CORRIDOR REVIEWS.
WHAT WE'D LIKE TO DO, UM, MOVING FORWARD IS TO MIRROR THE COFA HD PROCESS THAT WE HAVE.
AND IN ESSENCE, WHAT THAT MEANS IS THAT, UM, WHEN A, WHEN A PROJECT FOR, UH, A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS IN THE HIGHWAY CORRIDOR OVER LAKE DISTRICT, UH, RIGHT NOW IT, IT ONLY, IT JUST GOES TO PLANNING COMMISSION.
SO THERE'S NO OPPORTUNITY FOR ANY OTHER STAFF COMMENTS, UH, OR ANY LIKE ONE, YOU KNOW, ONE TAKE OF THE, THE, THE PLAN TO, TO REVIEW IT.
SO WHAT WE'RE PLANNING ON DOING IS BREAKING IT UP INTO A TWO-STEP PROCESS
SO THAT WAY A COFA, UM, H C O D, UH, WILL COME IN WHEN AN APPLICANT, UH, WHEN THEY COME THROUGH FOR A PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN, LIKE THIS PROCESS RIGHT NOW, YOU'RE STARTING TO GIVE THEM COMMENTS 'CAUSE YOU KNOW THAT THE NEXT TIME YOU SEE THAT IS AT, AT, IN ESSENCE AT A FINAL WELL, WE, WE WERE FORTUNATE WITH THIS ONE THAT THEY ACTUALLY SUBMITTED MORE THAN THEY HAD TO.
SO WE WERE ABLE TO GIVE 'EM COMMENTS.
AND, AND, AND SOMETIMES PEOPLE AREN'T THAT FAR ALONG ON THEIR PROJECTS.
UM, SO WHAT WE WERE PROPOSING IS TO, TO FOLLOW THE SIMILAR PROCESS AS THAT HISTORIC DISTRICT.
SO CURRENTLY IT'S A PRELIMINARY DEPEN, UH, DEVELOPMENT PLAN, UH, CAN BE SUBMITTED.
IT'S REVIEWED BY D R C AND APPROVED BY PLANNING COMMISSION.
THEN YOU SUBMIT YOUR STORM WATER THAT'S REVIEWED AND APPROVED.
THEN YOUR FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN IS SUBMITTED, REVIEWED AT D R C AND APPROVED BY THE U D O ADMINISTRATOR.
THEN YOUR COFA COMES INTO PLAY, UH, AFTER THE FACT.
SO OUR PROPOSAL IS TO, YOU WOULD STILL MOVE FORWARD WITH THE PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN, UH, UM, GOING THROUGH D R C AND PLANNING COMMISSION.
THEN WHEN THE APPLICANT GOES TO SUBMIT FOR THEIR STORMWATER PERMIT, YOU CAN SUBMIT YOUR CONCEPTUAL, UH, COFA H C O AT THAT TIME.
AND THEN WHAT WE'VE DONE IS WE'RE LOOKING TO, UM, REQUIRE THE, THE FOUR SIDES OF ELEVATION, UM, WITH THE PROPOSED MATERIALS BEING IDENTIFIED, UM, INCLUDING ROOF PLANS AND ANY COLOR BOARDS THAT THEY HAVE, UH, A PRELIMINARY LANDSCAPE PLAN.
BECAUSE DEPENDING ON, UH, WHERE THEY ARE IN THEIR PROCESS, EVEN IF IT'S JUST BLOCKED OFF SAYING, YOU KNOW, LANDSCAPED AREA TREE, NOT NECESSARILY THE SPECIFIC SPECIES OF TREE, BUT A TREE WILL BE AT THIS LOCATION, THAT THAT WOULD BE ACCEPTABLE.
AND WE UNDERSTAND THAT AT THIS POINT THEY MOST LIKELY WILL NOT HAVE A LIGHTING PLAN.
UM, WHICH IS, IS COMPLETELY FINE.
UH, SO AT THAT FINAL COFA, THEY WILL BE REQUIRED TO HAVE IT, BUT AT THE CONCEPTUAL, IF THEY DO HAVE IT, THAT'S GREAT.
IF THEY DO NOT, IT'S OKAY THAT THEY, THEY SUBMIT IT WITHOUT THAT.
AND THEN OF COURSE, THE APPROPRIATE REVIEW FEE.
SO WHAT WILL HAPPEN IS DURING THAT STORMWATER SUBMITTAL, YOU CAN SUBMIT FOR YOUR, YOUR CONCEPTUAL COFA, 'CAUSE IT'S GONNA TAKE YOU 30 TO 45 DAYS, UM, TO GO THROUGH THAT STORMWATER PERMIT.
UM, SO YOU WOULD SUBMIT THAT KOFA, IT'S A 20 BUSINESS DAY REVIEW, AND THEN IT'LL GO TO D R C.
SO WHAT HAPPENS IS THAT THREE OF YOU, UH, WILL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK AT IT.
AND THAT'S NOT TO SAY THAT EVERYONE ELSE CAN'T LOOK AT IT.
UH, YOU CAN ALWAYS PROVIDE SOME COMMENTS TO US IF YOU SO CHOOSE.
UM, BUT THEN YOU'LL ALSO GET, THEY, THEY GET STAFF COMMENTS.
AND THE GOAL IS TO GET THE LIST OF THE 16 TO 20 PLUS CONDITIONS DOWN TO HOPEFULLY ZERO, IF NOT, YOU KNOW, ONE OR TWO WITHIN REASON.
UH, THAT SHOULD, UH, STREAMLINE THE PROCESS FOR THAT FINAL.
SO WHEN THEY DO GET THOSE COMMENTS AND THE CONCEPTUAL, IT'S NO APPROVAL.
IT'S JUST D R C COMMENTS, HERE'S THE FEEDBACK.
SO THEY'RE ABLE TO MAKE THOSE CHANGES DURING THAT TIMEFRAME OF HOPEFULLY THEIR STORM WATER PERMITS, YOU KNOW, STILL UNDER REVIEW.
SO WHEN THEY DO GO TO SUBMIT FOR THEIR FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN, THEY CAN SUBMIT THEIR FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
AND THEN AS THAT STARTS TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS, THEN THEY CAN SUBMIT THEIR KOFA AT THAT D R C MEETING.
SO THEY'VE GOTTEN THEIR D R C COMMENTS FOR THEIR FINAL, THEN THEY, AT THAT POINT, THE TWO TRAIN TRACKS ARE KIND OF COMING BACK TOGETHER AND THEY'LL BE ABLE TO MOVE FORWARD.
SO WHENEVER IT COMES BACK IN FRONT OF YOU FOR THAT FINAL COFA, WE HAVE A DEVELOPMENT PLAN THAT'S APPROVED AND WE HAVE A COFA THAT'S MATCHING IT.
AND YOU'VE ALREADY PROVIDED A LOT OF THE COMMENTS THAT YOU
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HAVE ARE NORMALLY PROVIDING AND CAUSING THE TABLE TO TABLED ITEMS FOR TWO MONTHS.UM, DOWN THE ROAD, I THINK WE STARTED TO, TO FIGURE IT OUT AND WE REALIZED THAT IT, IT STILL KEEPS YOU, IT'S THE SAME AMOUNT OF TIME NO MATTER WHAT.
IT'S JUST, IT, IT MAKES, IT GIVES THE APPLICANT THE ABILITY TO GET A LOT OF THOSE ITEMS ADDRESSED AHEAD OF TIME.
UH, WE ACTUALLY HAD A MEETING WITH SOMEONE THAT WILL BE COMING, UM, BEFORE YOU, UM, PRETTY SOON.
AND, AND WE SAID THAT THIS IS THE PROCESS AND THEY WERE, THEY WERE EXCITED.
THEY WERE LIKE, THANK YOU, THIS IS GREAT.
I HAVE A QUESTION DURING IT CLEARS IT UP TOO, IT SOUNDS LIKE.
AND, UM, NOW THAT WE'RE SHOWING THE BUILDING AND IS BUILDING SAFETY, LOOKING AT THAT AS WELL.
YEAH, THEY'RE A REVIEWER, SO WE WILL THAT THAT'S WHEN, BUT THEY'RE GONNA BE LOOKING AT THE YEAH.
TO MAKE SURE NOT, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY NOT, YOU KNOW, THE, THE BUILDING CODE, BUT THEY WILL START LOOKING AT IT.
UH, IF THERE'S ANY ISSUES THAT THEY SEE.
JUST 'CAUSE I KNOW THAT WE'VE GOTTEN TO FINALS AND THERE'S SO MANY CODE THINGS AND THEN THEY HAVE TO CHANGE AND COME BACK AND YES.
SO AS LONG AS SOMEONE'S LOOKING AT IT BEFORE AND KIND OF GIVEN THE BIG PICTURE.
AND WE ARE, WE ARE, WE ARE STRESSING WITH THE ARCHITECTS TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, H V A C, THE UTILITIES, ALL OF THESE THINGS, THEY NEED TO ADDRESS THEM ON THE FRONT END.
AND THAT'S WHERE WE'RE HAVING A LOT OF PROBLEMS. THAT'S ON, ON THE BACK END.
SO, UM, A AN APPROVAL PROCESS, THERE'S NOT NECESSARILY AN APPROVAL FOR THIS.
UM, TOWN COUNCIL I HAD, UH, IN, I BELIEVE IT WAS 2020, UH, THEY GAVE US THE ABILITY TO MAKE CHANGES TO THE APPLICATIONS MANUAL WITHOUT HAVING TO BRING IT BACK IN FRONT OF THEM.
UM, OBVIOUSLY WE WILL LET THEM KNOW WHAT'S HAPPENING.
NO, KEVIN, I, I DO THINK THAT THIS, I I LIKE THIS BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT EXTENDING THE TIMING ON THE FRONT END.
YOU'RE GIVING THEM FEEDBACK SO THAT THEY'RE PRESENTING IT RIGHT WHEN THEY COME TO US.
SO, I MEAN, WE'VE HAD THREE OR FOUR THAT WE'VE, WE'VE HAD TO TABLE BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT READY.
HOPEFULLY THAT'LL AVOID THIS AND IT'LL AVOID FRUSTRATION FROM THE APPLICANT AND WE'LL HAVE THE PRODUCT THAT WE ALL WANT.
SO JUST WANTED TO LET YOU GUYS KNOW WHAT'S HAPPENING.
UH, SO THAT WAY YOU'LL START TO SEE, UM, A, UH, FOR THE REVIEWERS THROUGH D R C, YOU'LL NOTICE THAT THEY WILL HAVE APPLICATIONS THAT ARE MOVING FORWARD.
I THINK JIM'S GOING HOME NOW THAT I KNOW.
MAY I HAVE A MOTION TO ADJOURN? I WANT CLAP.
ANYBODY ELSE WANNA TALK ABOUT IT? ALL IN FAVOR.