[1. Call to Order]
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I WOULD LIKE TO CALL THIS TOWN COUNCIL MEETING OF TUESDAY, AUGUST 15TH, 2023 TO ORDER.
KIM, ARE WE IN COMPLIANCE SE FOIA? WE ARE.
IF YOU'LL JOIN AND SAY THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.
I'D LIKE TO THE OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS.
ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL, ALL IT'LL CONTINUE STANDING.
WHILE WE HAVE REVEREND AUSTIN EDWARD AUSTIN, COME AND JOIN US FROM QUEEN A M E CHURCH.
YOU BOW YOUR HEAD, PLEASE, ALMIGHTY.
ON BEHALF OF ALL WHO ARE GATHERED THIS AFTERNOON, THANK YOU FOR YOUR MANY ABUNDANT BLESSINGS.
THANK YOU FOR LIFE ITSELF, FOR THE MEASURE OF HEALTH.
WE ALL NEED TO FULFILL OUR CALLINGS, FOR PROVISION, AND FOR FRIENDSHIP.
THANK YOU FOR THE ABILITY TO BE INVOLVED IN USEFUL WORK AND FOR THE HONOR OF BEARING APPROPRIATE RESPONSIBILITIES.
THANKS AS WELL FOR THE FREEDOM TO EMBRACE YOU OR THE FREEDOM TO REJECT YOU.
THANK YOU FOR LOVING US EVEN SO FAR FROM YOUR BOUNDLESS AND GRACIOUS NATURE.
GRANTED, OUR MAYOR, TOWN OFFICIALS, AND IN PARTICULAR FOR THE ASSEMBLED TOWN COUNCIL, HAVE EARS TO LISTEN AND BE SENSITIVE TO ALL THE PEOPLE THEY SERVE AND WISDOM TO ACT FOR JUSTICE.
I'M ASKING THAT YOU WOULD GRACIOUSLY GRANT THEM WISDOM TO GOVERN AMID THE CONFLICTING INTERESTS AND CHALLENGING ISSUES OF OUR TIMES.
A SENSE OF THE WELFARE AND TRUE NEEDS OF ALL OF THE CITIZENS OF HILTON HEAD.
A KEEN THIRST FOR JUSTICE, FAIRNESS AND RIGHTNESS, CONFIDENCE AND WHAT IS GOOD AND FITTING THE ABILITY TO WORK TOGETHER IN HARMONY, EVEN WHEN THERE'S HONEST DISAGREEMENT.
HELP THEM TO BE COMPETENT AND EXCELLENT IN THEIR GOVERNANCE, PERSONAL PEACE IN THEIR LIVES, AND JOY IN THEIR TASK.
BLESS THE AGENDA FOR THIS MEETING TO BE FRUITFUL AND FOR THE COMMON GOOD.
PLEASE GIVE AN ASSURANCE OF WHAT WOULD PLEASE YOU AND WHAT WOULD BENEFIT ALL THOSE WHO LIVE, WORK IN AND AROUND OUR BELOVED TOWN OF HILTON HEAD.
IT IS IN YOUR MOST BLESSED NAME I PRAY.
AND ALSO THANK YOU FOR 29 YEARS TO OUR COMMUNITY, AND MAY YOU ENJOY YOUR RETIREMENT.
[5. Adoption of the Agenda]
WE HAVE ANY CHANGES ON THE AGENDA? NO, SIR.WE HAVE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE AGENDA.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.
[6. Approval of the Minutes]
FROM UH, JULY 13TH, 2023 AND JULY 18TH, 2023.ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.
[7. Presentations and Recognitions]
AND RECOGNITIONS REPORT OF THE TOWN MANAGER.GOOD AFTERNOON, MAYOR COUNCIL, MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC.
UH, JUST A REAL QUICK UPDATE HERE, ESPECIALLY FOR TIME'S SAKE TONIGHT.
UM, GETTING CLOSER TO OUR UPCOMING CELEBRATIONS ON OUR 360 40, OUR 360 YEAR INDEFINITELY, OUR 40 YEAR OF MUNICIPAL GOVERNMENT CELEBRATION, AUGUST 26TH, THE COMMUNITY PICNIC, SEPTEMBER 16TH, THE COMMUNITY CONCERT, UH, BOTH EVENTS ARE FREE AND OPEN TO THE PUBLIC.
UM, AND BETWEEN AUGUST 26TH AND SEPTEMBER 16TH, MANY TOURS, EVENTS, EXPERIENCES ARE AVAILABLE IN OUR COMMUNITY TO DIG DEEP INTO OUR HISTORY, OUR CULTURE, AND TO CELEBRATE OUR, OUR, OUR ISLAND AND ALL THE PEOPLE.
SO, UM, A GOOD WEBSITE AND LANDING PAGE, HILTON HEAD ISLAND THREE SIXTY-FORTY.ORG, UM, IS WHERE YOU CAN FIND SOME MORE INFORMATION.
AND THEN LAST BUT NOT LEAST, SEPTEMBER 14 TO 17, OUR VERY FIRST HILTON HEAD ISLAND JAM, A 2023 SINGER-SONGWRITER FESTIVAL.
AND THAT WILL OCCUR ON THE FOURTH, BETWEEN THE 14TH AND 17TH AT VARIOUS VENUES AROUND THE ISLAND.
UM, IN THAT WEBSITE IS HILTON HEAD ISLAND JAM.COM.
SO WE HAVE A PROCLAMATION, UH, SAND SHARK WEEK.
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OF U S C V JOIN ME UP FRONT.SO THE TOWN OF HILTON ISLAND PROCLAMATION, WHEREAS THE UNIVERSITY OF SOUTH CAROLINA IS A FULLY ACCREDITED COUNTRY BACCALAUREATE INSTITUTE WITHIN THE UNIVERSITY OF SOUTH CAROLINA SOUTH.
AND WHEREAS U S C PROVIDES SPECIALIZED INSTRUCTION, UNDERGRADUATE DEGREE DEGREES PROGRAM, TWO GRADUATE DEGREE PROGRAMS FULFILL ITS MISSION TO RESPOND TO REGIONAL NEEDS, DRAW ON REGIONAL STRENGTHS, AND PREPARE GRADUATES TO CONTRIBUTE LOCALLY, NATIONALLY, AND SPECIALISTS.
AND WHEREAS U S C D IS A PRIMARY REGIONAL RESOURCE, PROFESSIONALLY SKILLED HEALTHCARE PROFESSIONALS, TEACHERS, HOSPITALITY MANAGERS, SERVICE BASED RESEARCHERS, AND COMPUTATIONAL TROUBLE SHOOTERS IN THE SOUTH, IN SOUTH CAROLINA SOUTH.
AND WHEREAS S C C HAS A REPUTATION FOR INSTITUTIONAL PROMINENCE AS A REASONABLE PROBLEM SOLVE CATALYST OF PROGRESS CONTINGENT FOR ECONOMIC GROWTH.
AND WHEREAS REPORTS ECONOMIC IMPACT HIGHER EDUCATION IN T COUNTY INDICATE THAT 1066 JOBS, 50.5 MILLION AN ADDITIONAL WAGE IN SALARY INCOME, 1 23 0.4 MILLION IN ECONOMIC OUTPUT AND 1.6 MILLION IN NET
AND WHEREAS THIS WEEK, U S C D, MORE THAN 2100 STUDENTS, THEIR PARENTS AND OTHER FAMILY MEMBERS AND FRIENDS TO CAMPUSES OF BERT AND HILTON HEAD ISLAND AND BUILT ATHLETIC FACILITIES AND
NOW THEREFORE, THE TOWN OF HILTON HEAD ISLAND HEREBY CLAIMING AUGUST, 2026, 2023 C SAND WEEK, WELCOME WEEK, AND THE TOWN OF HILTON ISLAND THAT ALL OF THE CITIZENS AND I WELCOME THESE STUDENTS WITH OPEN ARMS AS THEY START THEIR NEW ACADEMIC YEAR AND TESTIMONY.
WHEREOF I TO SWEAR MY HAND AND CAUSE MS. SEAL, THE TOWN OF HILTON ISLAND TO BE VIC ON THIS 15TH DAY OF AUGUST IN THE YEAR OF OUR LORD, 2023.
MR. SIEBOLD, CAN WE HAVE YOU COME UP AND GIVE US AN UPDATE ON THE PUBLIC PLANNING COMMISSION PLANNING COMMISSION BIANNUAL UPDATE? THANK YOU.
GOOD AFTERNOON, MAYOR PERRY, UH, MANAGER ORLANDO, MEMBERS OF COUNCIL, THANK YOU FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY TO GIVE YOU A BRIEF UPDATE ON THE WORKINGS OF THE, UH, PLANNING COMMISSION.
MY UNDERSTANDING IS YOU HAVE A DETAILED WRITTEN REPORT IN YOUR PACKAGE OF MATERIALS, SO I'M NOT GONNA READ THAT TO YOU, BUT I'D LIKE TO JUST GIVE YOU A SUMMARY OF WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING.
UH, DURING THE LAST SIX OR SEVEN MONTHS, UH, WE HELD SIX REGULAR MEETINGS AND THREE SPECIAL MEETINGS.
WE RECEIVED AND ACCEPTED THE ANNUAL TRAFFIC MONITORING AND EVALUATION REPORT.
REVIEWED THE 2024 CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS PROGRAM AND RECOMMENDED TO TOWN COUNCIL TO APPROVE IT WITH ONE EDITION CONCERNING A PATHWAY NEAR THE JONESVILLE WORLD PROJECT NAMED FIVE NEW STREETS AND AREAS OF POTENTIAL FUTURE DEVELOPMENT, UH, TO PROVIDE MORE ACCURATE LOCATIONS WHEN EMERGENCY SERVICES ARE NEEDED.
REVIEWED A REQUEST FOR A TEXT AMENDMENT TO THE LAND MANAGEMENT ORDINANCE FOR AN ISLAND'S MIXED USE PROPOSAL TO THE SEA PINE CIRCLE DISTRICT.
WE FORWARDED THAT WITH OUR RECOMMENDATION TO THE TOWN COUNCIL COUNCIL IS NOW CONSIDERING THAT PROPOSED PROJECT.
WE CONSIDERED A REQUEST FROM TOWN STAFF TO AMEND SECTIONS OF THE L M O CONCERNING THE FOLLOWING TO REMOVE STAFF GRANTED WAIVERS AND AMEND SOME STANDARDS TO ALLOW CERTAIN VARIANCES FROM THE L M O TO ALLOW OUTDOOR SCREENED BIKE STORAGE IN THE LIGHT COMMERCIAL AND COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL ZONING DISTRICTS TO PROVIDE CLARIFICATION REGARDING THE SIZE OF A BREWERY FACILITY TO REPLACE USING JUNE TRAFFIC COUNTS WITH JULY DATA TO CHANGE THE TIMING OF WHEN LANDSCAPE IS REQUIRED FOR SINGLE FAMILY LOTS TO AMEND THE DEFINITION OF A SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING UNIT TO AMEND THE DEFINITION OF CHANGEABLE COPY FOR SIGNS THAT COULD BE CHANGED ELECTRONICALLY.
TO AMEND THE MEASUREMENT FOR SIGN HEIGHT CALCULATIONS, TO AMEND AN APPENDIX TO THE L M O CONCERNING ADDING OWNER'S CONSENT FOR MINOR SUBDIVISIONS AND THE REQUIRE AND TO REQUIRE A PUBLIC HEARING FOR DEVIATIONS TO PREVIOUSLY PLATTED SUBDIVISIONS.
ALL OF THESE ITEMS WERE FORWARDED TO TOWN COUNCIL WITH OUR RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL.
IN ADDITION, WE RECENTLY REVIEWED REQUEST TO REVISE THE L M O TO ELIMINATE THE ALLOWANCE OF DIVISIBLE DWELLING UNITS TO MODIFY THE DEFINITION OF SINGLE FAMILY AND MULTI-FAMILY DWELLING UNITS.
FINALLY, WE CONSIDERED A REQUEST TO ADD A NEW SUB SUBSECTION TO THE L M O ESTABLISHING A FLOOR AREA RATIO STANDARD AND PARKING REQUIREMENTS FOR SINGLE FAMILY DWELLINGS.
UH, THE FAM THE PLANNING COMMISSION SEES ITS ROLE AS BEING HELPFUL RESOURCE TO THE TOWN.
AND, UH, AS YOU DELIBERATE VARIOUS PROJECTS AND PROPOSALS, WE HOPE WE HAVE, UH, HELPED YOU IN
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THAT REGARD.IF THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS, I'D BE GLAD TO TRY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
COUNSEL, SEEING NONE, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR SERVICE.
NEXT, UH, RYAN MWE, DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC PROJECTS AND FACILITIES TO GIVE US AN UPDATE ON THE ADAPTIVE TRAFFIC SIGNAL.
GOOD AFTERNOON, MAYOR COUNCIL, TOWN MANAGER ORLANDO.
UM, SO I HAVE A BRIEF PRESENTATION TONIGHT AND THEN, UM, WE'RE GONNA GIVE YOU KIND OF AN OVERVIEW AND A DEMONSTRATION OF OUR NEW CAMERAS AND THE ABILITY TO, UM, ACCESS THE TRAFFIC SIGNALS THAT, UM, THERESA'S GONNA DEMONSTRATE FOR US.
AND BEFORE WE GET STARTED, I WANTED TO THANK DARREN, THERESA AND JIM FOR BEING HERE TONIGHT.
SO, UM, TO KICK STARTED IN FEBRUARY, WE STARTED THIS ADAPTIVE TRAFFIC SIGNAL MANAGEMENT, UH, PROJECT FOR 25 SIGNALED INTERSECTIONS ALONG WILLIAM HILTON PARKWAY, PALMETTO BAY ROAD, OAK AVENUE.
UM, THIS NEW SYSTEM IS GONNA FULLY REPLACE THE PRE-TIME SYSTEM THAT WE PREVIOUSLY HAD.
THIS INCLUDES REPLACEMENT OF THE, UH, END PAVEMENT, UM, WIRE LOOPS THAT USED TO DETECT THE VEHICLES.
UM, AND SO THE, THE BENEFIT OF THIS NEW SYSTEM WILL BE, UH, TO ALLOW THE SYSTEM TO ADAPT IN REAL TIME BASED ON CURRENT AND PREDICTED, UM, VEHICLE DEMANDS.
IT WILL ALLOW, UH, VARIATIONS AND CHANGES TO, UM, ANY ACCIDENTS OR UNFORESEEN WEATHER CONDITIONS, UM, ANY UNEXPECTED HEAVY VOLUME, ET CETERA.
UM, IT ALSO ALLOWS US THE ABILITY TO MONITOR PEDESTRIANS AND BICYCLISTS, UM, AS THEY COME CLOSE TO AN INTERSECTION.
IT ALLOWS THE SIGNAL TO CHANGE, TO ALLOW THE PEDESTRIAN MOTORCYCLISTS MORE TIME TO CROSS THE INTERSECTION.
UM, AND WE ALSO INSTALL SOME NEW SIGNALS DOWN ON POPE AVENUE THAT HAVE, UH, MOTION ACTIVATED AND VOICE, UM, WORD MESSAGES AS YOU CROSS.
IT'LL TELL YOU WHEN TO WALK, WHEN NOT TO WALK.
UM, YOU DON'T HAVE TO TOUCH THE BUTTON.
YOU CAN WAVE YOUR HAND AND, UH, IT'LL ACTIVATE THOSE PEDESTRIAN SIGNALS.
SO, LIKE I SAID, WE SIGNED THE CONTRACT WITH CONTROL TECHNOLOGIES IN FEBRUARY OF 2023.
WE ORDERED ALL THE REQUIRED EQUIPMENT, UM, PLACED THAT ORDER TOOK A LITTLE WHILE FOR IT TO ARRIVE, BUT DURING THAT TIME, WE, UM, WERE TAKING THE EXISTING SIGNAL TIMING DATABASES AND MODIFYING THOSE TO, TO ADAPT TO THIS NEW SIGNAL FOR ALL 25 SIGNAL LOCATIONS.
UM, WE INSTALLED 26 VEHICLE RADAR DETECTORS AT EACH SIGNAL APPROACH.
WE HAVE 120 NEW THERMAL PEDESTRIAN DETECTORS, UM, FOR ALL THESE INTERSECTIONS.
AND, UM, WE ALSO REALIZED THAT THE EXISTING FIBER, UH, SYSTEM THAT WE WERE GONNA USE FOR THE SYSTEM TO COMMUNICATE WITH ITSELF, UM, WE WEREN'T ABLE TO USE THAT DUE TO SOME OWNERSHIP ISSUES AND SOME PROPRIETARY RIGHTS WITH THE NEW SOFTWARE WE WERE PUTTING IN.
SO, THANKS TO THE HELP OF, UM, TOMMY, I KNOW I ISN'T TURNING.
YEAH, SO, UM, IT DIRECTOR TOMMY SUNDAY, UH, WE WORK TO INSTALL SOME NEW PEER-TO-PEER RADIO COMMUNICATION SO THE SIGNALS COULD TALK TO EACH OTHER.
THAT'S THE KEY COMPONENT OF THIS NEW ADAPTIVE SYSTEM.
SO THE SIGNALS CAN TALK TO EACH OTHER AS THEY GO ACROSS THE ISLAND.
UM, AGAIN, ALL THE DETECTORS WERE CONFIGURED TO ALLOW THE SYSTEM TO ACT THIS WAY.
WE, AS I MENTIONED, WE HAVE REMOTE ACCESS NOW INTO EACH SIGNAL CONTROLLER.
UH, WE ALSO HAVE CAMERAS INSTALLED 86 NEW CAMERAS, WHEREAS BEFORE WE ONLY HAD SEVEN.
AND THOSE WERE P FOUR COUNTIES CAMERAS.
WE CAN SEE 'EM, YOU CAN ZOOM INTO EACH LOCATION, YOU CAN SEE 'EM ALL AT ONCE.
AGAIN, THERESA'S GONNA HELP US LOOK AT THAT IN A SECOND.
AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE A NEW, UH, LIKE I SAID, THE PROPRIETARY SYSTEM THAT ALLOWS US TO GO IN, UM, MANAGE THE SIGNAL OPERATIONS.
WE CAN GO BACK IN TIME IF THERE'S A COMPLAINT ABOUT, UM, A SYSTEM NOT WORKING, WE CAN GO BACK IN TIME TO THAT COMPLAINT AND SEE WHAT IT WAS ACTUALLY DOING, UM, TO EITHER CONFIRM OR DENY THAT THE SIGNAL WAS WORKING AS INTENDED.
UH, LIKE I SAID, SO WE ALSO INSTALLED SOME NEW PEDESTRIAN POLES AT CERTAIN INTERSECTIONS.
THIS WAS DUE TO THE EXISTING, UH, SIGNAL POLES BEING TOO FAR AWAY FROM WHERE A PEDESTRIAN WOULD COME UP TO IT.
SO THIS MAKES IT MORE A D A, UH, COMPLIANT.
UM, SO YOU'LL SEE SOME ADDITIONAL FREESTANDING PEDESTRIAN POLES.
UM, SO ANOTHER ISSUE THAT HAPPENED, AS YOU'RE AWARE, WE'VE HAD SOME PRETTY SIGNIFICANT STORMS IN THE PAST FEW WEEKS.
UM, WE ARE HAVING SOME LIGHTNING STRIKES AT SOME OF OUR SIGNAL LOCATIONS.
UH, ONE IN PARTICULAR RIGHT OUT HERE.
IT SEEMS TO HIT IT PRETTY MUCH EVERY TIME.
UH, SO WE'VE, WE'VE DONE SOME RESEARCH AND WE THINK THERE'S A GROUNDING ISSUE WITH SOME OF THE SIGNAL CABINETS.
SO WE'RE WORKING WITH OUR CONTRACTOR, UH, TO ADDRESS THAT ALONG WITH OUR, UH, TOWN BUILDING CODES.
UM, WE THINK WE'LL HAVE THAT FIXED AND ADDRESSED.
PROBABLY IT'S GONNA SLOW IT DOWN A LITTLE BIT, PROBABLY WITHIN A MONTH.
UM, JUST TO CONFIRM THAT THAT ISN'T CAUSING SOME OF THE ISSUES WITH THE LOW VOLTAGE NEW EQUIPMENT.
IT'S VERY SENSITIVE TO ANY NEW SPIKES.
SO IF A LIGHTNING STRIKE HITS IT, UM, IT'LL, IT'LL MESS THE NEW EQUIPMENT UP.
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SO AGAIN, UM, CURRENTLY WE'RE WORKING ON THOSE GROUNDING ISSUE ISSUES.WE'VE, UM, HELD OFF ON MOVING FORWARD WITH ANY MORE OF THE ADAPTIVE IMPLEMENTATION, UM, UNTIL THAT'S FIGURED OUT.
BY THE TIME WE GET THAT, PROBABLY MID-SEPTEMBER, UM, WE THINK IT'LL TAKE TWO WEEKS OR SO TO, TO TROUBLESHOOT THE NEW ADAPTIVE SYSTEM.
WE'LL COMMUNICATE WITH YOU ALL, WE'LL COMMUNICATE WITH THE PUBLIC FOR WHEN THAT GOES LIVE.
UM, BUT WE'RE ANTICIPATING RIGHT NOW ABOUT MID LATE OCTOBER.
UM, AGAIN, HERE'S KIND OF A BREAKDOWN OF THE FOUR PHASES OF THE PROJECT.
WE'VE ALREADY GONE THROUGH INSTALLATION, THAT'S COMPLETE.
UH, AGAIN, TESTING AND CALIBRATION IS UNDERWAY NOW, AND WE JUST REALIZED THAT WE'RE HAVING SOME OF THESE ELECTRICAL ISSUES AT SOME OF THE OLDER CABINETS.
UM, THE DATA COLLECTION, THIS IS WHEN IT REALLY STARTS TALKING TO ITSELF.
IT STARTS LEARNING WHAT THE, WHAT THE PATTERNS ARE DOING.
AND THEN, UM, LIKE I SAID, GO LIVE AFTER THAT, UH, LATE OCTOBER, EARLY NOVEMBER.
SO BEFORE WE GET INTO QUESTIONS, I WANNA SHOW YOU, AND I WANNA ASK TERESA TO COME UP HERE.
THIS IS THE CAPABILITY THAT WE HAVE NOW THAT WE DID NOT HAVE IN THE PAST.
SO SHE'S GOING TO WALK YOU THROUGH A COUPLE OF THE INTERSECTIONS AND THEN SHOW YOU WHAT THE, UH, CONTROLLERS LOOK LIKE.
SO, UM, THESE CAMERAS HERE ARE, UM, THE FIRST SEVEN CAMERAS AS YOU GO DOWN THIS LIST HERE, THIS FIRST COLUMN.
UM, SO OUR ENTRY POINT INTERSECTIONS, WHICH IS, UM, THE SIGNAL AT, UH, SQUIRE POPE ROAD, AND WE CAN BLOW THAT UP AND SEE WHAT THE TRAFFIC LOOKS LIKE COMING ON ISLAND.
YOU CAN SEE IT BUILDING, OF COURSE, IT'S WHAT TIME? THREE 16
THE SECOND SET IS, UM, SPANISH WELLS, UM, AND THEN GUMTREE ROAD.
THE GUMTREE ROAD COMING OFF THE CROSS ISLAND, UM, UH, APPROACH.
UM, THAT GETS, UM, QUITE A LOT OF TRAFFIC.
UH, SO I LIKE TO KEEP THAT ONE UP.
UM, WILBURN, UM, PEMBROKE, UM, INDIGO RUN AND THEN BEACH CITY ROAD.
UM, WE HAVE POPE AVENUE OVER, UM, ON THIS COLUMN HERE, AND THEN IN BETWEEN INTERSECTIONS THAT I LIKE TO KEEP UP THAT WE'VE HAD A LITTLE ISSUES WITH AND I LIKE TO KEEP AN EYE ON 'EM.
SO AGAIN, WE DO NOT HAVE THIS ABILITY IN THE PAST.
THE, THIS IS THE NEW, THIS IS THE RESULT OF THE NEW PROJECT.
UM, THERESA CAN MONITOR THIS FROM HER OFFICE.
I KNOW WE'VE HAD A COUPLE INCIDENTS WITHIN THE PAST MONTH WHERE SHE'S ABLE TO SEE WHERE AN ACCIDENT OR, UM, SOME EVENT MIGHT'VE BEEN HAPPENING.
SHE'S ABLE TO IMPLEMENT, GO INTO THE, THE SIGNAL CABINET, UH, IF YOU WANNA GO INTO THAT NEXT SURE.
AND THIS IS WHERE SHE CAN IMPLEMENT ANY CHANGES TO THE SYSTEM SO IT CAN CHANGE LIKE THAT.
YEAH, BEFORE GOD BLESS HIM, DARREN WOULD HAVE TO GO OUT THERE, EVALUATE IT IN THE FIELD, FIGURE OUT WHAT WAS GOING ON.
IT TOOK HIM TIME TO GET THERE, DETERMINE WHAT WAS GOING, MAKE THE CHANGE BY THAT TIME, TRAFFIC PROBABLY BACKED UP.
NOW SHE CAN MAKE THAT CHANGE RIGHT HERE.
SO NOW, YES, WE CAN, WE CAN ACCESS OUR CONTROLLERS REMOTELY.
AND THIS IS THE INTERSECTION AT SPANISH WELLS ROAD.
AND AS YOU CAN SEE RIGHT HERE, THE GREEN, THAT MEANS TWO AND SIX, PHASE TWO AND SIX ARE GOING, THAT'S YOUR MAIN LINE, U S 2 78 THAT HAVE THE GREEN CURRENTLY.
AND IF YOU CONTINUE TO SIT AND WATCH THE CYCLE, YOU'LL SEE IT GO YELLOW, RED, AND THEN YOUR SIDE APPROACHES GO, WHICH ARE FOUR AND EIGHT.
SO YOU CAN SEE, SHE CAN WATCH IT COUNTDOWN HERE.
AND AS THAT WINDS DOWN TO ZERO, OBVIOUSLY IT'LL KICK OVER TO YELLOW AND THEN THE RED.
IF SOMEBODY CALLS IN AND SAYS, HEY, UM, I'M NOT GETTING SERVED ON THE SIDE, SIDE APPROACH, SHE CAN WATCH IT, CONFIRM THAT THAT'S HAPPENING OR NOT.
UM, AGAIN, SOMETHING THAT WE DID NOT HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO SIX MONTHS AGO.
YEAH, I CAN GO TO THE CAMERA, I CAN LOOK AT THE CAMERA.
IT'S LIKE, OH, OKAY, THEY'RE NOT GETTING SERVED.
LET ME GO INTO THE CONTROLLER AND SEE WHAT'S GOING ON.
UM, SO IF IT'S A DETECTION ISSUE, UM, I CAN LOOK TO SEE IF THERE'S A DETECTION ISSUE, UM, AND MAYBE PUT A LOCK ON THAT DETECTION AND GET THAT GOING UNTIL WE TROUBLESHOOT FURTHER.
ONE THING, BRIAN, IF YOU COULD PROVIDE SOME CLARITY ON, THERE'S TWO THINGS.
ONE, THE FLUSHING OF, OF THE ISSUE, RIGHT? SO IF PROBLEMS HAVE OCCURRED AND THERE'S A STACKING ISSUE, YOU CAN GET INTO THE SYSTEM AND FLUSH THE TRAFFIC, SO TO SPEAK, A LOT DIFFERENT TODAY THAN IN THE PAST.
AND THEN ALSO TALK A LITTLE BIT AND, AND IT WAS ON A SLIDE.
YOU, YOU WENT, YOU WENT PAST IT ABOUT EMERGENCY SITUATIONS.
SO IF THERE'S AN EVENT, LIKE I SAID, SHE'S ABLE TO GET IN HERE OR ANY OF US CAN GET IN HERE, I TRY TO STAY OUT OF IT.
I DON'T EVEN THINK I'M ALLOWED TO GET IN HERE.
UM, SHE'S ABLE TO GET IN HERE AND MAKE THE MAIN LINE THROUGH, UH, WILLIAM HILTON PARKWAY STAY GREEN LONGER, UM, IN ORDER FOR THE TRAFFIC TO FLOW AND GIVE MORE LEAD TIME TO THAT, THAT MAIN LINE TRAFFIC.
UM, IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE DON'T RUN ALL THE TIME.
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WITH EMERGENCY VEHICLES.SO THE FIRE TRUCKS, I DON'T WANNA MISSPEAK DARREN MIGHT QUESTION ME, BUT, UM, WE HAVE THE OPTICON THAT IT'LL, UM, IT'LL PREEMPT A SIGNAL IF A FIRE TRUCK IS GOING THROUGH, IT'LL TURN FORWARD.
UM, SO THAT'S KIND OF OUR BRIEF DEMONSTRATION.
IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, HAPPY TO TRY TO ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS.
COUNSEL, MR. ALFRED? YES, SIR.
WE HAVE AN OFFICE LOCALLY, UH, IN WHICH THIS YOUNG LADY OR OTHERS IS SPENDING THEIR TIME WATCHING THIS SCREEN ABOUT TWO BUILDINGS OVER.
YEAH, SHE'S, SHE'S IN BUILDING, UH, D UPSTAIRS.
ARE YOU, YOU ARE MONITORING 'EM ALL THE TIME? UM, I AM MONITOR MONITORING THEM, UM, ALL DAY IN THE OFFICE.
UM, I ALSO, UM, HAVE A LAPTOP THAT I TAKE HOME, UM, AND I CAN BRING THE SAME, UM, UH, SOFTWARE UP.
I ALSO HAVE IT ON MY IPHONE, UM, WHICH I CAN LOOK AT ALL THE CAMERAS ON MY IPHONE.
UM, I, I DON'T CHOOSE TO GET INTO THE CONTROLLERS ON MY IPHONE.
IT'S A LITTLE SMALL, BUT, UM, I CAN ON THE, THE LAPTOP, BUT SHE HAS, AND THE IS IS THE ONLY LOCATION THAT'S BEING MONITORED OUT OF THIS OFFICE.
YOU DON'T HAVE, YOU DON'T EVEN WATCH CARTOONS FOR
AND IT'S, IT'S ON A SECURE SERVER.
SO LIKE, WE HAD TO LOG INTO THIS BEFORE THE MEETING SO NO ONE ELSE CAN GET ACCESS UNLESS THEY HAVE A PRETTY DETAILED PASSWORD FOR IT.
IF I COULD JUST PROVIDE SOME CLARITY, THEY'RE MONITORING BECAUSE WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE PIVOTING, WE'RE TRANSITIONING TO THIS NEW SYSTEM.
SO THE MONITORING OF IT IS MAKING SURE THAT AS WE ARE GOING LIVE WITH THE NEW SYSTEM, WE'RE LEARNING AND CALIBRATING AS WE GO.
AND WE WATCHED A LOT OF TRAFFIC, UM, ON THE WEEKENDS TO SEE HOW TRAFFIC MOVED ONTO THE ISLAND.
UH, IT WAS PRETTY TELLING THE, THE, THE LIGHTS WERE ACTUALLY FLOWING PRETTY GOOD.
A LOT OF THE STACK UP WAS HAPPENING, UM, RIGHT AFTER THE BRIDGE, UM, AROUND CRAZY CRAB.
BUT THEN AS YOU APPROACHED, UM, SQUARE POPE, IT WAS ACTUALLY FREE FLOWING PRETTY GOOD.
AND WE HAVE DOCUMENTATION OF THAT.
UM, SCREEN GRABS AND STUFF LIKE THAT IS NOT INTENDED FOR THE MONITORING TO CONTINUE AFTER THE, UH, THE WILL, BUT THE, THE ALMOST AROUND THE CLOCK.
ONCE WE KNOW THE SYSTEM AND ONCE WE GET REPORTS ON THE SYSTEM, THE SYSTEM STARTS WORKING.
I'VE OBSERVED THAT TR TRAFFIC SEEMS TO BE FLOWING BETTER NOW ON 2 78 THAN IT DID TWO OR THREE WEEKS AGO.
IS THAT JUST AN ILLUSION OR IS IT IN FACT FLOWING BETTER?
I THINK THE, THE SYSTEM IS WORKING.
WE'RE, WE'RE GETTING GOOD VEHICLE DETECTION NOW, OTHER THAN THE, THE FEW SIGNALS THAT ARE HAVING THE ELECTRICITY ISSUES, UM, I I REALLY CAN'T SAY MAYBE WE DID TRAFFIC COUNTS ABOUT A MONTH AGO.
UH, THE VOLUMES WERE VERY HIGH.
THEY'RE, THEY EXCEEDED WHAT I WAS EXPECTING AND, UM, I, I REALLY WISH I HAD A BETTER ANSWER.
ARE THE CAMERAS AVAILABLE ON THE TOWN WEBSITE OR ANOTHER SOURCE TO THE PUBLIC? NO, SIR, NOT YET.
OTHER QUESTIONS FOR COUNSEL? YES, SIR.
I'VE BEEN LOOKING FORWARD TO SEEING HOW THIS MIGHT WORK AND, AND I THINK THE VIDEO REALLY IS TELLING, UM, I WAS GONNA CHOOSE, UH, POPE AVENUE FOR $200 A WHILE AGO IF I GOT TO CHOOSE A, A COLUMN.
BUT, UM, ANYHOW, I'M HARD TO SEE THIS.
I HOPE THAT THE, AN ANECDOTAL SITES THAT WE'RE SEEING ARE AS A RESULT OF THIS SYSTEM MOVING INTO PLACE.
UM, I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO THE DATA COLLECTION WHEN WE HAVE THAT READY.
I APPRECIATE THAT THERE HAVE BEEN ISSUES THERE ALWAYS ARE IN ANY KIND OF PROJECT, SO APPRECIATE THAT.
UM, YEAH, THE REMAINING QUESTION I HAVE IS, UM, IS, I UNDERSTAND THAT THE COUNTY IS INSTALLING A TEMPORARY SIGNAL SYSTEM AT, UM, WINDMILL HARBOR.
UM, HOW, IF ANYTHING, WILL THIS IMPACT OUR SYSTEM AND ARE WE GETTING ANY SORT OF COORDINATION TO BE ABLE TO COORDINATE THAT ADDITIONAL SIGNAL? I DON'T WANNA SPEAK FOR THE COUNTY, BUT, UM, THEY'RE AWARE OF THE SYSTEM THAT WE USE.
UH, WE CAN STAY IN CLOSE CONTACT WITH ERIC CLAWSON AND JARED FRA OVER THERE.
UM, THEY'RE AWARE OF WHAT WE USE.
THEY, THEY KNOW HOW THEY WOULD SPEAK TOGETHER IF, IF THEY WANTED THAT.
UM, BUT WE, I THINK WE WOULD WORK WITH THEM IN ORDER TO MAKE IT LIKE NOT JUST MESS UP AND GO THROUGH THE WHOLE ISLAND.
AND THEN YOU GET TO SIGNAL AND IT DOESN'T WORK.
SO COMING ON THE ISLAND, WE ONLY CONTROL FROM THE SQUARE POPE SIGNAL ON.
UM, BUT THAT GOES ALL THE WAY DOWN TO POPE AVENUE AND GOING OFF ISLAND, THE SAME THING.
OUR CONTROL ENDS THAT SQUARE POPE INTERSECTION.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS? I HAD A COUPLE QUESTIONS.
UM, YOU MADE MENTION THAT THERE HAVE BEEN A COUPLE OF LIGHTNING STRIKES.
SO HOW READILY AVAILABLE IS THE REPLACEMENT EQUIPMENT? YEAH.
UM, SO OUR CONTRACTORS HAVE BEEN VERY GOOD.
UH, THEY ARE SEEING SOME ISSUES HERE THAT THEY
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PROBABLY DON'T HAVE ANYWHERE ELSE WITH THE EXTREME WEATHER EVENTS.UH, I BELIEVE THE, THE VEHICLE DETECTION SMART MICRO, THEY'RE WORKING ON A BUNCH OF NEW EQUIPMENT THAT ARE GOING, WILL HOLD UP MORE TO ANY ELECTRICAL SURGES.
UM, WE STILL NEED TO DO OUR OWN WORK TO THE SIGNAL CABINET ITSELF.
UM, BUT THEY'VE BEEN EXTREMELY, UH, RESPONSIVE IN MY, IN MY OPINION TO, TO THE SITUATION THAT WE'RE FACING.
THE THE LAST QUESTION COMES TO, SINCE YOU HAVE THE CAPACITY TO ADJUST THE LIGHTS, I'M CERTAIN THERE'S GOTTA BE RECOMMENDATIONS OR, OR GUIDELINES THROUGH D O T THAT MANDATE THE TIMING OF THOSE LIGHTS THAT YOU'VE GOTTA GET IT BACK ONTO.
SO IT'S NOT A, A FREE FOR ALL THAT YOU CAN ALWAYS CHANGE IT TO A GREEN OR A RED WHEN NEEDED.
NO, UH, YES, UH,
UM, AND THEN THAT'S A DISCUSSION, UM, WITH THE TRANSPORTATION DEPARTMENT, UM, TO MAKE ANY OF THOSE CHANGES.
THE ONLY THING THAT I WOULD GO IN AND CHANGE WOULD BE IF THERE'S AN INCIDENT, UM, EITHER BEYOND THE BRIDGE OR, UM, YOU KNOW, AT SQUIRE POPE OR THE, UM, THE EXITING INTERSECTIONS THAT I CAN PUT THAT FLUSH PLAN IN INTO PLACE AND KIND OF GET THINGS GOING.
SO WITH THAT PROTOCOL, WHEN YOU'RE TRYING TO FLUSH IT OUT, WHAT WOULD THE RESTRAINTS BE THAT, THAT YOU CAN ONLY KEEP IT GREEN FOR SO LONG TO LET EVERYBODY ELSE MOVE THAT ON, ON THE SIDE STREETS, THE
WE TAKE IT DOWN TO THE MINIMUM THAT WE COULD POSSIBLY TAKE IT DOWN TO.
AND KEEP WITHIN THE GUIDELINES.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS, QUESTIONS? ALRIGHT, THANK Y'ALL SO MUCH.
[8. Reports from Members of Town Council]
COMMENTS, UH, REPORTS FROM TOWN COUNCIL.DO WE HAVE ANY GENERAL REPORTS? MAYOR, IF I MAY, UM, TAKE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO READ INTO THE, UM, RECORD OF LETTER THAT, UM, I BELIEVE WE ALL RECEIVED, BUT I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT IT'S, UM, READ ALOUD, UM, IN LIGHT OF, UM, ADDITIONAL BUSINESS WILL BE ADDRESSING.
SO, UM, THIS LETTER IS FROM HILTON HEAD REGIONAL HEALTHCARE AND IT'S ADDRESSED TO OUR MAYOR TOWN COUNCIL MEMBERS, OUR TOWN MANAGER, MARK ORLANDO.
DEAR HILTON, HEAD, ISLAND TOWN LEADERS SINCE 1975, HILTON HEAD REGIONAL HEALTHCARE HAS BEEN DEDICATED TO PROVIDING HIGH QUALITY COMPASSIONATE CARE TO OUR COMMUNITY.
SIMILAR TO MANY SERVICES AND BUSINESSES ON HILTON HEAD ISLAND, WE ARE FACING A VERY DYNAMIC EMPLOYEE MARKET, ONE THAT IS INCREASINGLY CHALLENGING GIVEN THE SIGNIFICANT NEED FOR WORKFORCE HOUSING THROUGHOUT OUR AREA.
AS YOU MAY BE AWARE, HILTON HEAD HOSPITAL IS PURSUING SHORT AND LONG-TERM STRATEGIES TO ENSURE WE REMAIN WELL STAFFED TO MEET THE HEALTHCARE NEEDS OF OUR COMMUNITY.
CURRENTLY, WE ARE FINALIZING A PARTNERSHIP TO OFFER DORMITORY STYLE SHORT-TERM RENTALS TO ATTRACT NEW EMPLOYEES AND TO HOUSE SEASONAL STAFF AS A TEMPORARY SOLUTION.
AS OUR LEADERSHIP CONTINUES TO INVESTIGATE SOLUTIONS, WE BELIEVE A VARIETY OF OPTIONS WILL BE REQUIRED TO MEET OUR STAFF'S HOUSING NEEDS OPPORTUNITIES LIKE THE OFFICE WAY PROJECT WOULD PROVIDE LONG-TERM FAMILY-FRIENDLY HOUSING TO ATTRACT AND RETAIN STAFF TO SUPPORT VITAL SERVICES.
THEREFORE, I'M WRITING TO YOU IN SUPPORT OF THE ISLAND OF MIXED USE TEXT AMENDMENT, THE RESPONSE BY THE PRIVATE SECTOR IN COORDINATION WITH THE TOWN'S ONGOING EFFORTS TO MEET THE HOUSING NEEDS ARE VITAL TO SOLVING THIS ISSUE.
THANK YOU FOR ALL YOUR SERVICE AND DEDICATION TO OUR COMMUNITY AND LEADING EFFORTS TO SOLVE ONE OF ITS MOST SIGNIFICANT ISSUE AND IS SIGNED BY JOEL C TAYLOR, THE MARKET CHIEF EXECUTIVE OFFICER FOR THE HOSPITAL.
I THOUGHT IT WAS IMPORTANT, I THOUGHT IT WAS IMPORTANT TO READ INTO THE RECORD, UM, THE LETTER THAT WE RECEIVED, THEY DO NOT HAVE ANYONE HERE TONIGHT TO REPRESENT THE HOSPITAL.
AND WE ALL KNOW HOW CRITICALLY IMPORTANT THE HOSPITAL IS TO THIS COMMUNITY.
AND WE ARE HEARING OUR EMPLOYEES, OUR SIGNIFICANT, UM, ENTREPRENEURS AND LEADERS ACROSS THE ISLAND WHO ARE BEGGING US TO DO WHAT WE'VE PROMISED AS A NUMBER ONE PRIORITY AND PROVIDE OPPORTUNITIES FOR SERVICE WORKERS TO BE ABLE TO LIVE AND TO WORK AND TO BUILD THEIR LIVES HERE ON HILTON HEAD.
AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR ATTENTION.
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LET'S KEEP THAT TO A A ZERO PLEASE, BECAUSE WE'VE GOT A LONG MEETING AHEAD OF US TONIGHT.UM, AND WE'LL TAKE IT AS MUCH TIME AS POSSIBLE, BUT PLEASE REFRAIN FROM THAT.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS FROM, FROM GENERAL COMMENTS FROM TOWN COUNCIL? OKAY, I DO HAVE ONE.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? SO, UH, MR. STANFORD REPORT OF THE LOW COUNTRY AREA TRANSIT STUDY? YES, SIR.
UM, THE GROUP IS DETERMINING A LONG RANGE TRAFFIC PLAN, LONG RANGE HIGHWAY PLANS STRETCHING OUT 10 TO 15 YEARS INTO THE FUTURE.
IT IS VITAL THAT THE TOWN'S HIGHWAY NEEDS AND PLANS BE INCORPORATED INTO THAT LONG RANGE PLAN.
MS. BECKER, THE COUNTRY COUNCIL OF GOVERNMENT.
THANK YOU, MR. ANY A REPORT? OKAY, MR. STANFORD, SO LOCO SOUTHERN LOW COUNTRY REGIONAL BOARD? NO SIR, NO REPORT.
MR. BROWN ISLAND REC ASSOCIATION.
UM, THE
OKAY, MS. BECKER, COMMITTEE OF PUBLIC SERVICES AND PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE? YES, SIR.
UM, OUR COMMITTEE MET EARLIER, UM, LA LAST WEEK AND WE HAD A OVERVIEW OF THE PARKING MANAGEMENT SYSTEM THAT THE TOWN, UM, IS CONTRACTING WITH TO PROVIDE, UM, SERVICES.
AND THAT INFORMATION CAN BE FOUND ONLINE.
IF YOU HAVE, UH, ANYONE'S INTERESTED, PLEASE READ IT.
UM, THERE'LL BE MORE INFORMATION COMING FORWARD AND YOUR INPUT IS IMPORTANT TO US.
WE ALSO, UM, MET TO, UH, AN EXECUTIVE SESSION TO REVIEW APPLICATIONS FOR A NUMBER OF, UM, OPENINGS ON OUR BOARDS AND COMMITTEES.
AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO HAVING THOSE INTERVIEWS THE NEXT WEEK AND I'LL HAVE MORE TO REPORT AT THAT TIME ON ALL OF THOSE MATTERS.
THANK YOU MR. AM PUBLIC PLANNING COMMITTEE.
THE PUBLIC PLANNING COMMITTEE MET ON AUGUST 10TH.
IT HEARD THE MONTHLY UPDATE ON DISTRICT PLANNING AND WILL, UM, PRESENT THE BRIDGE TO THE BEACH, UH, DISTRICT PLAN NEXT MONTH.
THE BRIDGE TO THE BEACH INCLUDES PALMETTO BAY SEA, PINE CIRCLE, POPE AVENUE, AND THE AREAS AROUND THERE.
AND THEN SECOND ON THE AGENDA, PUBLIC PLANNING COMMITTEE CON CON, UH, CONSIDERED L M O AMENDMENTS RELATED TO PARKING REQUIREMENTS FOR SINGLE FAMILY DWELLINGS AND FLOOR AREA RATIOS FOR SINGLE FAMILY DWELLINGS.
BOTH AMENDMENTS PASSED, UM, WITH CHANGES TO STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS.
THANK YOU YOU, MR. BROWN, FINANCE AND ADMINISTRATIVE COMMITTEE.
UM, F AND A MET TODAY HAD THREE ITEMS TO DISCUSS.
ONE WAS A CONTINUATION OF OUR DISCUSSION ON MUNICIPAL INSTALLMENT PURCHASE REVENUE BONDING.
UM, WE'VE ASKED STAFF TO BRING BACK, UM, POTENTIAL LIST OF, OF PROJECTS, UM, IN ADDITION TO, UM, FINANCIAL, UM, SOURCES THAT WOULD HELP US TO ACHIEVE THOSE GOALS AT THE APPROPRIATE TIME.
WE ARE STILL GATHERING INFORMATION.
UH, WE ALSO, UM, PASSED ALONG, UM, THE REQUEST FROM THE COMMUNITY, UH, COASTAL COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION.
I'VE BEEN SAYING C C D C, UM, UH, HELP MOVE ALONG THE IDEA OF, UH, AFFORDABLE HOUSING THAT WILL BE BECOMING BEFORE, UH, COUNCIL AS A BODY TO CONTINUE TO DIALOGUE AND ANSWER ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS.
UM, AND THE LAST THING, UH, WE HEARD FROM MS. MARCY BENSON ON THE COMMUNITY BLOCK GRANT.
UM, ANNUAL REPORT, UH, THERE WILL BE, UM, PUBLIC HEARINGS IN THE COMMUNITY AND THAT TOO AS RESOLUTION WILL BE COMING TO FULL COUNCIL.
[9. Appearance by Citizens]
APPEARANCE BY CITIZENS.WE HAD A, A NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT SIGNED UP, UM, FOR THE ISLANDER MIXED USE.
SINCE YOU'VE SIGNED UP FOR ISLANDER MIXED USE, WE ARE GOING TO, UM, HEAR THOSE COMMENTS AFTER THE PRESENTATION TO COUNCIL AND COUNCIL DISCUSSION.
SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, I WOULD LIKE TO REMIND OUR CITIZENS THAT SECTION TWO DASH FIVE DASH 70 OF THE TOWN'S CODE LIMITS EACH PERSON TO THREE MINUTES WHEN ADDRESSING TOWN COUNCIL.
AT THE END OF THE THREE MINUTES, YOU'RE ASKED TO CONCLUDE YOUR COMMENTS.
PLEASE MAINTAIN THAT DECORUM SUITABLE FOR THE MEETING AND REFRAIN FROM USING ANTI PROFANE, ABUSIVE, OR OBSCENE LANGUAGE.
IF YOU HAVE ANY MATERIALS YOU'D LIKE TO GIVE TO TOWN COUNCIL, PLEASE
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GIVE TO THE TOWN.KIRK, AFTER YOU'RE FINISHED SPEAKING, KIM, DO WE HAVE PEOPLE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK ON ON NON AGENDA ITEMS? NON AGENDA ITEMS? UM, DAVID PLUM.
GOOD AFTERNOON, COUNCIL MEMBERS.
MY NAME IS DAVID PLUM, 10 SOUTH FOREST BEACH DRIVE IN HILTON HEAD AND I'M THE PRESIDENT OF THE FOREST BEACH VILLAS HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION.
FOREST BEACH VILLAS IS A CONDOMINIUM BUILDING IN THE COLIGNY AREA, AND IT'S RIGHT NEXT TO THE LOW COUNTRY CELEBRATION PARK.
AND AS YOU PROBABLY KNOW, THE, THE WATER TABLE IN THE AREA AREA WAS SIGNIFICANTLY LOWERED AS PART OF THE PARK CONSTRUCTION.
AND THAT RESULTED IN TURNING OUR, WE HAD A VERY BEAUTIFUL LAGOON WITH A FOUNTAIN AND FIVE FOOT OF WATER DEPTH, AND IT'S BEEN TURNED INTO A MUD PIT SINCE THE PARK CONSTRUCTION.
I PROVIDED PICTURES PREVIOUSLY.
UH, HOPEFULLY YOU HAVE THEM, BUT I HAVE COPIES HERE IF ANYBODY WOULD LIKE TO SEE THEM, UH, BEFORE AND AFTER PICTURES.
AND WHEN THIS HAPPENED, INITIALLY, THE TOWN HAD TOLD US NOT TO WORRY THAT THE WATER TABLE WOULD COME BACK, BUT WHEN THEY REALIZED THE WATER TABLE WASN'T GOING TO COME BACK, THEY TOLD US THAT IN AN EFFORT TO BE A GOOD NEIGHBOR, THEY WOULD PROVIDE US WITH FUNDING TO RETURN OUR LAGOON TO THE STATE.
IT WAS PRIOR TO THE PARK CONSTRUCTION AS LONG AS WE WERE WILLING TO SIGN A HOLD HARMLESS AGREEMENT.
AND WE WERE PROVIDED HOLD HARMLESS AGREEMENTS IN 2021 AND 2022.
AND BOTH OF THOSE AGREEMENTS ONLY APPLIED TO THE WATER LEVEL IN OUR LAGOON, WHICH MEANT THAT WE CAN'T GO BACK TO THE TOWN, COULDN'T GO BACK TO THE TOWN FOR MORE MONEY IF, UH, IF OUR RESTORATION PLAN DIDN'T WORK.
UH, THE TOWN ALSO SUGGESTED AT THE TIME THAT WE HIRE OUR OWN ENGINEER FOR THE RESTORATION, WHICH THEY SAID THEY'VE BEEN REIMBURSED US FOR.
UH, IN APRIL OF THIS YEAR, YOU OFFERED US $20,000.
AND ALTHOUGH THAT WAS LESS THAN A THIRD OF THE ACTUAL RESTORATION COSTS FROM OUR, UH, ENGINEER, WE AGREED TO ACCEPT IT IN ORDER TO AVOID A DRAWN OUT LEGAL PROCESS.
BUT NOW YOU'RE ASKING US TO SIGN A NEW HOLD HARMLESS AGREEMENT THAT WE NEED TO SIGN BEFORE WE CAN GET THE 20,000.
THIS NEW AGREEMENT WOULD HAVE US GIVE UP ALL RIGHTS IN THE EVENT THAT ANY OF THE PARK CONSTRUCTION OR LOWERING OF THE WATER TABLE CAUSE ANY HARM TO OUR PROPERTY.
BEYOND JUST THE IMPACT TO OUR LAGOONS, WE RESEARCHED WHAT HARM COULD BE CAUSED TO BUILDINGS FROM LOWERING THE WATER TABLE, PARTICULARLY IN A SANDY AREA LIKE HILTON HAD.
AND WE FOUND SOME VERY TROUBLING CONCERNS WITH RESPECT TO FOUNDATION STABILITY, SOIL EROSION, SUBSIDENCE, AND DAMAGE TO UNDERGROUND STRUCTURES SUCH AS OUR PARKING GARAGE.
THE IMPACT OF THESE CONDITIONS FROM OUR RESEARCH COULD BE, COULD TAKE YEARS OR EVEN DECADES TO BECOME EVIDENT.
SO GIVEN THESE CONCERNS, WE WE REALLY CAN'T SIGN THE EXISTING HOLD HARMLESS AGREEMENT THAT WE'VE BEEN ASKED TO SIGN.
WE CAN'T SIGN AWAY OUR RIGHTS TO THINGS THAT MIGHT HAPPEN THAT WE MIGHT FIND OUT ABOUT IN THE FUTURE.
UM, AND WE CONSULTED WITH TWO LAWYERS AND TWO ENGINEERS WHO AGREED WITH US THAT WE CANNOT SIGN THIS AGREEMENT.
AND I RESPECTFULLY ASK THAT YOU FOLLOW THROUGH WITH YOUR COMMITMENT TO BE A GOOD NEIGHBOR BY REVERTING BACK TO THE ORIGINAL LANGUAGE IN THE AGREEMENT THAT WAS LIMITED TO THE DEGRADATION OF OUR LAGOONS ONLY.
AND IN MAKING YOUR DECISION, I ASK THAT YOU ALSO KEEP IN MIND THAT WE'VE ALREADY SPENT $7,000 ON A CIVIL ENGINEER'S RESTORATION PLAN.
GOOD AFTERNOON, MAYOR AND TOWN COUNCIL.
I'M THE CHAIR OF THE GREATER ISLAND COUNCIL AND A RESIDENT OF SEA PINES.
WHEN I WAS LAST HERE ON THE 6TH OF JUNE OF 23, 2 ERRONEOUS STATEMENTS WERE MADE ABOUT THE G I C, MY AUDIENCE MEMBERS AND THE DAS FOLLOWING MY PRESENTATION THAT IN THIS FORMAT COULD NOT BE CORRECTED AT THE TIME.
THE FIRST OF THESE AT THE G I C HAD NO RIGHT TO PRESENT A RESOLUTION.
ONLY THE TOWN COUNCIL COULD, ACCORDING TO MIRIAM AND WEBSTER, A RESOLUTION IS A FORMAL EXPRESSION OF OPINION WILL OR INTENT VOTED BY AN OFFICIAL BODY OR AN ASSEMBLED GROUP.
WE PRESENTED THE G'S OPINION THAT WE HAVE VOTED ON.
AND SO IT WAS AN EXPRESSION OF THE GROUP AND NOT AN INDIVIDUAL'S CHARACTER, WHICH WERE OF THE VARIOUS OTHER PRESENTATIONS THAT EVENING.
THE TOWN COUNCIL IN TURN, HAS THE RIGHT TO IGNORE IT OR TO ACKNOWLEDGE IT.
THE SECOND ISSUE WAS AN ACCUSATION THAT AS A 5 0 1 C THREE, THE GREATER ISLAND COUNCIL WAS INVITED IN VIOLATION OF I I R S RULES WHEN WE ADVOCATED WITH OUR RESOLUTION FOR A SPECIFIC ACTION BY THE COUNCIL.
THIS STATEMENT WAS MADE BY AN AUDIENCE MEMBER AND
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REPEATED FROM THE DESK, THESE STATEMENTS WERE BOTH INCORRECT.THE GREATER ISLAND COUNCIL IS NOT NOW AND NEVER HAS BEEN A 5 0 1 C THREE.
WE WOULD NOT QUALIFY AS, AS AN ADVOCACY ORGANIZATION FOR THAT CLASSIFICATION.
WE ARE, HOWEVER, A 5 0 1 C FOUR AND HAVE BEEN SINCE 1991.
AND AS A 5 0 1 4, WE CAN BY I R S RULES, ENGAGE IN ATTEMPTS TO INFLUENCE LEGISLATION.
THANK YOU MAYOR AND TOWN COUNCIL.
POLAND, SKIP POLAND, WINDMILL HARBOR, DAVID LAUDERDALE'S, EXCELLENT COLUMN SLOPPY GOVERNMENT.
IN THE PACKET ABOUT THE LATEST BEAUFORT COUNTY GREENWAY SCANDAL SHOULD STRIKE FEAR IN THE HEART OF EVERY CORRUPT, INCOMPETENT COUNTY EMPLOYEE, MAYOR'S, ATTORNEYS, AND ELECTED OFFICIALS.
WE ALL KNOW WHAT CORRUPTION IS INSIDE OUR DEALINGS.
BRIBERY, QUID PRO QUO NEPOTISM, PAY TO PLAY KICKBACKS AND MORE.
NOW'S THE TIME DURING THIS WHOLLY SELF-INFLICTED COUNTY DISGRACE TO SPEAK UP ON THE ISSUE.
IT IS SEVERELY DAMAGED OUR COMMUNITY AND CAUSE EMBARRASSMENT TO HONEST COUNCIL MEMBERS AND EMPLOYEES ALIKE.
WE MUST UNDERSTAND DISHONEST ACTS BY COUNTY OFFICIALS FURTHER DEGRADES THE SYSTEM.
IT'S A CURSE TO SOCIETY AND IT'S TOTALLY AGAINST DEMOCRACY.
CORRUPTION CONTINUES TO FLOURISH HERE.
WEEK, LAW ENFORCEMENT, LACK OF ACCOUNTABILITY HAVE CREATED AN ENVIRONMENT WHERE THIS BEHAVIOR HAS GONE UNPUNISHED.
AND SYSTEMATIC ISSUES SUCH AS LACK OF TRANSPARENCY, FOIA COMPLIANCE, FRAUDULENT INTERNAL AUDITS, BUDGETS THAT BOTH ONLY SHOW THE NUMBERS, THE INSIDERS LIKE GREENWAY, ORLANDO, GRUBER, AND OTHERS WANT US TO SEE IT HAS FURTHER CREATED MULTIPLE OPPORTUNITIES FOR THESE IMMORAL CRAVEN PEOPLE TO ABUSE POWER, WE MUST FOCUS ON ROBUST ENFORCED LAWS, REGULATIONS, AND FULL FINANCIAL TRANSPARENCY.
REMEMBER, WE ALL HAVE THE POWER AND IT STARTS WITH OURSELVES.
LET US NOT SUPPORT CORRUPTION THE GREATEST EVIL IN OUR SOCIETY.
AND LET'S REMOVE IT FROM THIS COMMUNITY.
TAXPAYERS SHOULD NOT BE SILENT.
AND IT'S NOT ACCEPTABLE TO BE SILENT.
RAISING OUR VOICES TOWARDS EXPOSING WRONGDOING IS A FIRST STEP TO FIGHTING CORRUPTION.
COMBATING CORRUPTION IS CHALLENGING, BUT MEASURES CAN BE TAKEN FIRST OF APPROVING THE COURT SYSTEM AND THE INSTITUTIONS RESPONSIBLE FOR ENSURING ACCOUNTABILITY.
AND WE CAN DO THAT BY COUNSEL HIRING AN OUTSIDE FORENSIC AUDITOR, PREFERABLY SOMEBODY OUT OF THIS STATE WITHOUT TIES TO THESE LOCAL INSIDERS OR THE CHAMBER OR ANYBODY ELSE TO CONDUCT A THOROUGH FORENSIC AUDIT OF THE ENTIRE BEAUFORT COUNTY AND ALL THOSE WHO RECEIVED TENS OF MILLIONS WITH ZERO OVERSIGHT FOR THE LAST 50 YEARS.
THIS INCLUDES THE SCHOOL DISTRICT, OUR TREASURER, TOWN OF HILTON HEAD AND BLUFFTON AND BEAUFORT.
AND EVERY NONPROFIT CHAMBER, THE HILTON HAD BLUFFTON CHAMBER, THE BEAUFORT CHAMBER, THE BLACK CHAMBER, EVERY CHAMBER, BIRTH FOREMAN, LAW FIRM, AND BONDS CONNECTED TO THE HILTON HEAD CHAMBER.
AND MILLIONS OF HOSPITALITY AND AID TAX FUNDS HAVE DISAPPEARED.
UNACCOUNTED, WE NEED TO GET TO GROUND ZERO.
SO WE WILL KNOW HOW DEEP FINANCE, FINANCIAL VIOLATIONS AND THE SHENANIGANS ARE.
LET'S FIX THIS SLOPPY GOVERNMENT.
I DON'T WANNA BE UP HERE MAKING THESE SPEECHES.
IF Y'ALL COULD JUST DO WHAT'S RIGHT AND BE TRANSPARENT AND MAKE EVERYBODY ABIDE BY THE LAWS, THE CHAMBERS AND EVERYBODY.
YOU KNOW, I'M HERE TO MAKE A COMMENT MS. GREELEY, BECAUSE SHE'S SCARED OF MAKING, AND I'LL TELL YOU THAT, THAT WE DO NOT ALLOW STACKING OF POWER ATTORNEYS AND YOU WILL BE FINE AS NORMAL.
I WANT THESE PEOPLE TO BE EDUCATED, A TAXPAYER TO BE EDUCATED.
SO I WILL MAKE MS. GREELEY'S THREE MINUTES AND I WILL WELCOME A CITATION AS I LEAVE THE DOOR.
AS YOU KNOW, WE DO NOT ALLOW STACKING UP.
NO, WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE GONNA DEAL WITH THIS IN THE COURT OF LAW.
WE'RE NOT GOING, THIS IS NOT A COURT OF LAW.
THIS IS A COUNT COUNSEL THAT WORKS FOR US THAT WE'RE NOT GONNA DEAL WITH THAT THERE'S A, PLEASE START THE CLOCK OVER.
'CAUSE I WAS INTERRUPTED BY THE MAYOR.
IF YOU DON'T MIND, PLEASE STOP THE, I NEED MY THREE MINUTES, IF YOU DON'T MIND.
FOR MS. GREENLEY, WILL YOU PLEASE START THE CLOCK OVER? THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
THERE'S A LOT WE ARE HEARING AND READING ABOUT GREENWAY, BUT THERE'S A LOT THAT WE'RE NOT.
THE FACT IS HE IS SHADY, HE'S CORRUPT, AND HE IS NOT ALONE.
THE FIRST THING THAT MUST HAPPEN IS THIS COUNCIL MUST ALSO STOP ITS ACTIONS AND VOTES TO LEAVE AN OPEN DOOR FOR GREENWAY, THE CHAMBERS, ORLANDO TROYER AND OTHERS IN THIS, IN THIS COUNTY TO COMMIT ILLEGAL, ILLEGAL ACTS.
TAXPAYERS ARE FED UP AND MANY CONVINCED THE COURTS IN THE COUNTY IS ACTING MORE LIKE A CRIMINAL ENTERPRISE THAN A FUNCTIONING GOVERNMENT.
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SLOPPY IS AN UNDERSTATEMENT.REGARDLESS WHAT YOU BELIEVE THE FACTS ARE DISTURBING.
OUR POLITICAL, OUR ENTIRE POLITICAL SYSTEM GIVES THE FULL POWER TO COUNTY AND TOWN EMPLOYEES.
CORRUPT MANAGERS LIKE ORLANDO AND GREENWAY AND THE LAWYERS, AND THE CPAS THAT TOTALLY CONTROL ALL THE PART-TIME LEADERS LIKE THE MAYORS AND COUNCILS.
THESE EMPLOYEES BASICALLY DO AS THEY WISH.
AND PART-TIME COUNCILS WHO HAVE OTHER JOBS HAVE NO CLUE WHAT'S GOING ON.
TAXPAYERS ARE LEFT IN THE DARK.
TENS OF MILLIONS OF TAX MONEY IN MANY CASES ARE UNACCOUNTED FOR AND DISAPPEARED INTO THIN AIR.
WE HAVE NO, UH, REAL FULL TRANSPARENCY OR ACCOUNTABILITY.
AND WE'RE ALL, AGAIN HANDED THESE BUDGETS AND FINANCIAL AUDITS THAT ARE ALL INTERNALLY HIRED AND HIDE THE, THE MONEY THAT WE WANNA SEE.
AGAIN, THE SCHOOL DISTRICT, IT'S NOT JUST A TOWN, IT'S EVERYBODY.
IT'S EVERY OFFICE IN THIS COUNTY NEEDS TO GO THROUGH A FORENSIC AUDIT AND, AND THEY NEED TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE.
I'M HERE NOT TO ASK BUT DEMAND THEM THAT BEHALF OF EVERY TAXPAYER.
ALL OUR COUNCILS IN BEAUFORT, HILTON HIT AND BLUFF AND TAKE BACK CONTROL OF OUR FINANCES.
AND THE ADDED AUDIT COST IS A PIDDLY AMOUNT TO STOP ALL THE ILLEGAL ISSUE AND USE OF TAX FUNDS THAT WE'RE EXPERIENCING.
COUNCIL JUST HIRES AN OUTTA STATE C P A WITH FORENSIC AUDIT KNOWLEDGE OF HOW TO AUDIT A TOWN GOVERNMENT, A SCHOOL DISTRICT, A TREASURER, A CHAMBER OF COMMERCE.
AND THIS LEVEL OF AUDIT WOULD BE MANDATORY AND CONDUCTED EVERY THREE YEARS.
AUDITS WILL END A LARGE PERCENTAGE OF THE CRIMES IN BEAUFORT COUNTY.
THIS IS THE ONLY TOOL THAT YOU FOLKS HAVE AVAILABLE TO YOU UNDER OUR CURRENT POLITICAL SYSTEM, WHICH GIVES A FULL POWER TO THE, TO THE TOWN MANAGER AND THE EMPLOYEES AND THE LAWYERS.
AND, AND WE JUST END UP WITH A WEAK PART-TIME MAYOR THAT DOESN'T HAVE A CLUE WHAT'S GOING ON.
AND HE JUST COMES UP HERE AND RUNS THESE MEETINGS.
AND THEN HE GOES BACK TO HIS, HIS, HIS REGULAR JOB TOWN COUNCIL.
AND ALL OF OUR EMPLOYEES HAVE BEEN CAUGHT AT ILLEGAL ACTS.
AND ALL OF YOU HAVE VOTED FOR THE ILLEGAL ISSUE AND MILLIONS OF TAX FUNDS TO THIS CHAMBER AND OTHERS AND OTHER NONPROFITS.
THIS IS SLOPPY NON-TRANSPARENT GOVERNMENT AT ITS BEST PART-TIME MAYOR, WHICH I'M SAD TO SAY, COMMITTED FINANCIAL FRAUD WHEN HE SAID HE SAW THE ACCOUNTING OF $11 MILLION OF BILL MILES.
AND IT'S JUST ABSOLUTELY NOT TRUE.
AND THIS IS ANOTHER REASON THAT WE HAVE FORENSIC AUDIT.
GOOD AFTERNOON, MR. MAYOR, MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL, TOWN MANAGER.
FIRST OF ALL, YOU'RE DOING A GREAT JOB AND I REALLY APPRECIATE THE WORK THAT YOU DO AND THERE'S NO WAY THAT YOU ARE ANY PART OF A PART-TIME, ANYTHING.
ALL OF YOU I KNOW PUT IN FULL-TIME HOURS, INCLUDING INCLUDING THE MAYOR.
I HAVE TWO THINGS I NEED TO DISCUSS WITH YOU.
UM, AS YOU MAY KNOW, I AM ON THE GREEN SPACE ADVISORY COMMITTEE AT THE COUNTY COUNCIL LEVEL, AND WE JUST SENT ENABLING LEGISLATION FOR FIRST READING TO THE COUNTY COUNCIL YESTERDAY, WHICH I BELIEVE IT PASSED.
FIRST READING IT HAS TO GO THROUGH TWO MORE READINGS.
UM, I WOULD HOPE THAT THE TOWN IS GOING TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THAT PROGRAM.
WE'RE LOOKING TO IMPLEMENT IT AND LOOK AT APPLICATIONS STARTING IN THE FOURTH QUARTER OF THIS YEAR IF EVERYTHING GOES ACCORDING TO SCHEDULE.
SO WE LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH YOU ON THAT.
SECOND THING, I APOLOGIZE, I HAVE TO LEAVE AND I WILL NOT BE HERE FOR YOUR DISCUSSION ON THE WORKFORCE HOUSING ISSUE.
I WANNA SPEAK IN FAVOR OF THAT.
I ALSO WANT TO MAKE A COMMENT THAT WE NOT BE GREEDY.
WE HAVE PUT TOGETHER THE TOWN COUNCIL AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION, SEVERAL PIECES OF LAND MANAGEMENT ORDINANCE TO ATTRACT DEVELOPERS TO DEVELOP PROPERTIES ON HILTON HEAD.
MANY OF THEM HAVE FAILED BECAUSE IT LACKED THE ECONOMIC INCENTIVE FOR THE DEVELOPER.
LET'S NOT MAKE IT SO DIFFICULT THAT WE TURN AWAY PROJECTS BECAUSE THEY CAN'T MAKE A BUCK.
THERE'S NOTHING WRONG IN A CAPITALIST SOCIETY WHERE FOLKS MAKING MONEY.
IF THEY'RE GOING TO MAKE A MAJOR INVESTMENT, THEY NEED TO GET A RETURN ON THAT INVESTMENT.
SO LOOK AT THAT CAREFULLY AND DON'T SET THE CRITERIA SO HIGH THAT WE'RE TURNING AWAY FOLKS WHO WANT TO INVEST THEIR MONEY IN SOMETHING WE DESPERATELY NEED.
[10. a. Consideration of Proposed Ordinance 2023-07 Amending Sections Title 16 of the Municipal Code of the Town of Hilton Head Island, the Land Management Ordinance, to Create a New Use Called Island Mixed-Use with the Sea Pines Circle District – First Reading – Shawn Colin, Assistant Town Manager, Community Development]
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PRESENT THE FIRST READING OF PROPOSED ORDINANCE 2023 DASH OH SEVEN AMENDING SECTIONS TITLED 16 OF THE MUNICIPAL CODE OF THE TOWN OF BUILT NET ISLAND, A LAND MANAGEMENT ORDINANCE TO CREATE A NEW USE CALLED ISLAND MIXED USE WITHIN THE SEA PINE CIRCLE DISTRICT.THANK YOU MAYOR COUNCIL, TOWN MANAGER.
UH, SEAN POLAND, ASSISTANT TOWN MANAGER.
AND I WILL BE PRESENTING THE ISLANDER MIXED USE TAX AMENDMENT ONCE IT'S UP.
KIM, I'M SORRY, CAN WE HAVE THE PRESENTATION UP? YEP.
UH, THIS HAS BEEN BEFORE YOU BEFORE.
UM, I'M GONNA GO THROUGH JUST A BRIEF HISTORY OF THE PUBLIC PROCESS.
UM, REMIND, UM, THOSE FOLKS IN ATTENDANCE ARE WATCHING WHAT WE, UH, COVERED BRIEFLY, UM, ON THE 18TH OF JULY.
UM, AND THEN FOCUS ON THE, THE AMENDED MOTION OR THE AMENDMENTS THAT COUNCIL ASKED FOR AND THE RESPONSES FROM THE APPLICANT.
UM, AND TO GO THROUGH SOME ADDITIONAL ANALYSIS BASED ON INFORMATION THAT WAS REQUESTED AT THE LAST MEETING.
UM, ALRIGHT, SO THE RECOMMENDATION IS TO REVIEW AND CONSIDER AN ORDINANCE, UM, JUST TO AMEND THE L M O.
UM, IF, UH, COUNSEL CHOOSES NOT TO SUPPORT IT, THERE'S A RESOLUTION ALSO ON THE PACKET.
UM, SHOULD THEY, SHOULD YOU CHOOSE TO DENY IT.
UH, THE REQUEST CAME IN, UM, FROM JOSH TILLER REPRESENTING THE, THE APPLICANT FOR THIS TEXT AMENDMENT.
UM, IT MODIFIES LANGUAGE IN A FEW SECTIONS OF CODE AND THEY'RE LISTED HERE BEFORE.
UH, BUT IN ESSENCE, IT RE IT CREATES A NEW USE WITHIN THE INE CIRCLE DISTRICT.
UM, AND IT'S A NEW USE THAT HAS USE CONDITIONS.
SO THERE'S SOME QUALIFYING CRITERIA IN ORDER TO BE ABLE TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THAT USE.
AND I'LL GO THROUGH THE INFORMATION AS WE GO THROUGH THE PRESENTATION TO GIVE YOU MORE DETAIL.
A REMINDER OF THE PUBLIC PROCESSES THIS HAS GONE THROUGH.
UM, WE RECEIVED THE INITIAL REQUEST A LITTLE OVER A YEAR AGO.
UM, THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION LAST AUGUST WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
IT WENT THROUGH, UH, TWO MEETINGS OF THE L M O COMMITTEE, THEN BLACK BACK TO PLANNING COMMISSION, UM, A COUPLE MEETINGS WITH THE PUBLIC PLANNING COMMITTEE AND THEN TO TOWN COUNCIL ON JULY 18TH.
UM, IT'S YOUR MEETING LAST MONTH.
UM, YOU VOTED TO APPROVE THE TEXT AMENDMENT, BUT WITH, UH, SUBJECT TO SOME FURTHER AMENDMENTS, AND I'M GONNA COVER THOSE NOW.
THE AMENDMENTS THAT WERE OFFERED, UH, REQUESTED BY TOWN COUNCIL AT THE LAST MEETING WERE THE FOLLOWING, UH, TO INCLUDE A FOUR BEDROOM PER DWELLING UNIT MAXIMUM, UH, CONSISTENT WITH WHAT THE STAFF HAD RECOMMENDED.
UM, AND IT COME OUT OF PLANNING COMMISSION.
UM, CLARIFICATION OF THE DEFINITION RELATED TO FUNCTIONAL OPEN SPACE, UM, AND, UM, WHICH WAS OUTLINED AS 10% OPEN SPACE UNDER THIS ISLANDER MIXED USE THAT WASN'T, ISN'T REQUIRED FOR OTHER USES IN THE DISTRICT, UH, INCREASED THE WORKFORCE HOUSING STANDARD TO 20%.
THE, THE DRAFT THAT WAS BEFORE IT ON THE 18TH HAD A 15% PROVISION.
UH, SO INCREASE THE 20%, UM, TO QUALIFY IT USING 90% OF THE AREA ME MEDIAN INCOME RATHER THAN THE 120 THAT WAS OFFERED, UM, I'M SORRY, 130.
THAT WAS OFFERED IN THE, IN THE INITIAL DRAFT.
AND THAT THE TERM FOR THE WORKFORCE HOUSING PROVISION BE EXTENDED TO 20 YEARS RATHER THAN 10, UH, WHICH WAS, UM, INCLUDED.
UH, THERE WAS ALSO AN AMENDMENT THAT ASKED FOR THE SHARED PARKING UTILIZATION.
UM, ONLY REMAINED IN PLACE AS LONG AS THE EDUCATION USE, UM, REMAINED, UH, IN OPERATION.
AND SO THAT'S THE FOURTH AMENDMENT.
UH, THERE WAS AN ADDITIONAL AMENDMENT, UH, THAT WAS ADDED AMEND, AN AMENDED MOTION, UH, TO ADD THAT WORKFORCE.
UM, THE, THE INTENT OF THIS AMENDMENT OR, OR MOVING THIS AMENDMENT FORWARD, UH, WAS TO PROVIDE WORKFORCE AND, UM, THAT THE PROPERTY SOLD, IT WOULD NOT REVERT BACK TO JUST AN APARTMENT COMPLEX.
SO THOSE ARE THE, THAT'S THE FEEDBACK WE RECEIVED FROM TOWN COUNCIL AS PART OF THEIR MOTION TO ADVANCE THIS.
UM, AND THEN WE PROVIDED THAT INFORMATION AND WRITING TO THE APPLICANT.
AND I'M GONNA GO THROUGH THE RESPONSES FROM THE APPLICANT, UM, BEFORE WE MOVE ON INTO THE DRAFT VERSIONS AND THE ANALYSIS.
UM, SO RECOMMEND THE FIRST RECOMMENDATION, UM, THE APPLICANT AGREED WITH A FOUR BEDROOM PER DWELLING UNIT, UH, LIMITATION OR MAX FOUR FOUR BEDROOMS PER DWELLING UNIT, UH, PROVISION.
UH, WE DID MAKE SOME CLARIFICATION TO THE DEFINITION AROUND FUNCTIONAL OPEN SPACE.
UM, THAT WAS, UM, UM, ACCEPTABLE TO MAKE SURE THAT IT WAS OUTDOOR OPEN SPACE AND IT WASN'T INCLUDING INDOOR LOBBY
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SPACE.AND OTHER THING, I MEAN, WE TALK ABOUT OPEN SPACE, IT REALLY SHOULD BE OPEN AND OUTDOOR.
UM, SO WE MADE THAT PROVISION.
UM, AND SO ONE AND TWO, UH, WERE ADDRESSED.
UM, THE RESPONSE TO THE INCREASE TO 20% AT 90% OF THE A M I FOR 20 YEARS, UM, WAS NOT ACCEPTED.
THE, THE RESPONSE WAS TO MAINTAIN THE 15% ALLOCATION, UH, FOR THE, UH, WORKFORCE UNITS, UM, TO MAINTAIN THE AREA IMMEDIATE INCOME, UM, AS PUBLISHED BY HUD FOR BUFORT COUNTY ANNUALLY AT 130%.
AND THAT THE PROVISION AND TERM OF THE WORKFORCE HOUSING WOULD BE 10 YEARS, NOT, UM, UH, WHICH IS NOT MATCHED.
THE 20 THAT TOWN COUNCIL HAD, UM, HAD MATCHED AND THERE WAS NO, UM, THERE WAS NO RESPONSE IN ADDRESSING THE PROVISION THAT THE SHARED PARKING AGREEMENT, UM, WOULD EXPIRE IF THE EDUCATIONAL USE EXPIRED.
UM, IT, IT WOULD REMAIN AS LONG AS THE PROPERTY IS AN EDUCATION USE.
UM, AND THERE'S A LIMITATION OF 75 PARKING SPACES ON THAT.
AND OUR SHARED PARKING PROVISION ALLOWS UP TO 50% OF PARKING THROUGH A SHARED PARKING AGREEMENT.
AND THEN, I'M SORRY, THE FINAL AND THEN THE FINAL ONE, THE APPLICANT DID NOT ADDRESS THE AMENDED MOTION, WHICH WAS THE, UM, THE INTENT, PURPOSE, AND INTENT STATEMENT THAT THIS WOULD NOT, UM, REVERT BACK, UM, AT ONCE THE EDUCATION USE POINT.
IT WOULDN'T REVERT BACK TO JUST AN APARTMENT, UM, COMPLEX AFTER THE WORKFORCE HOUSING PROVISION EXPIRED.
UM, THE TEXT AMENDMENT, THE APPLICANT'S SUBMITTAL DID INCLUDE SOME ADDITIONAL INFORMATION.
UH, SOME OF IT'S CONSISTENT WITH WHAT YOU RECEIVED IN YOUR PACKET.
WE DID INCLUDE ALL OF THE MATERIALS THAT WERE SENT FOR YOUR JULY 18TH MEETING.
SO YOU HAD THE, UH, A LIST OF, UH, ROBUST INFORMATION, ONE OF THE LONGEST PACKETS THAT I'VE BEEN INVOLVED WITH.
UM, UH, BUT IT HAS ALL THAT BACKGROUND INFORMATION.
I'M NOT GONNA COVER A LOT OF THAT AND, AND REPEAT WHAT HAPPENED LAST MONTH.
UH, BUT TO FOCUS ON THE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN THE TOWN COUNCIL REQUEST AND THE APPLICANT RESPONSE.
UM, WE DID RECEIVE, UH, AN AMENDED RESPONSE ON AUGUST 10TH, WHICH WE'VE INCLUDED IN HERE.
UM, AND I'LL MOVE FORWARD TO ADDRESS EACH ONE OF THESE AREAS WHERE THERE'S SOME, UM, WHERE THE DIFFERENCE, WHERE THE DIFFERENCES ARE AND THE DIFFERENTIATION BETWEEN THE TWO VERSIONS AS YOU CONSIDER THESE MOVING FORWARD.
SO THE, THESE NEXT TWO SLIDES ARE GONNA COVER A SUMMARY OF THE TEXT AMENDMENT REQUEST AS OUTLINED BY TOWN COUNCIL AT A MEETING LAST MONTH.
THE ONLY REAL CHANGES IN WHAT I CALL THE DEFINITION OR DEFINING ELEMENTS, UM, UH, RELATE TO THE DEFINED TERM FOR ISLANDER MIXED USE.
UH, BECAUSE THERE'S A WORKFORCE HOUSING REQUIREMENT, THE MIXED USE HERE IS WORKFORCE HOUSING AND ANOTHER USE DESCRIBED WHETHER IT'S COMMERCIAL SERVICES OR SOME COMBINATION THEREOF.
UM, BUT THE, BUT THE REMAINDER OF THE LANGUAGE REMAINS THE SAME HERE WHEN WE GET INTO THE USE SPECIFIC CONDITIONS, YOU CAN SEE IN ITEM II OR TWO, UM, THE PROVISION THAT WAS ONE OF THE AMENDMENTS IS INCLUDED THAT THE SHARED SHARED PARKING AGREEMENT ONLY REMAIN IN PLACE AS LONG AS THE EDUCATION USE, UM, STAYS IN PLACE.
AND I WILL SAY THAT THERE WAS A PROVISION IN THERE THAT THE PARKING SPACES MATCH THE NUMBER OF STUDENT STUDENTS, UM, THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD UTILIZE THOSE PARKING.
AND, UM, AND SO THAT PROVISION IS LISTED IN THIS AMENDED VERSION AS COUNCIL REQUESTED.
UH, WHEN YOU GO DOWN TO ITEM NUMBER V OR FIVE, UM, IT REFLECTS THE 20% THAT TOWN COUNCIL HAD ASKED FOR, ALONG WITH THE 90% A A M I BASED ON THE BUFORT COUNTY, UM, THE HUD DOCUMENT THAT THEY UPDATE FOR BUFORT COUNTY EVERY YEAR, UM, AND THAT THE AGREEMENT REMAIN, UH, IN PLACE FOR A MINIMUM OF 20 YEARS.
YOU CAN SEE ON ITEM NINE, UM, DOWN HERE THAT WE'VE A, A ADDED THE WORD OUTDOOR TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S, UH, FUNCTIONAL, OPEN SPACE AND NOT INTERNAL.
AND THAT, UM, ITEM 11 HERE IS THAT FOUR UNIT OR FOUR BEDROOM PER DWELLING UNIT MAXIMUM.
SO THESE TWO SLIDES SUMMARIZE THE CHANGES THAT WERE OUTLINED BY TOWN COUNCIL.
UM, AND THE NEXT TWO SLIDES WOULD BE THE OUTLINE BASED ON THE APPLICANT'S RESPONSES.
SO AGAIN, THE SAME CHANGE TO THIS, THIS FIRST ITEM OF DEFINITION OF ISLANDERS MIXED USE, BUT WE WOULD NEED TO MODIFY OUR WORKFORCE HOUSING DEFINITION BECAUSE OF THE REFERENCE IN THE TEXT.
UM, THE HOUSING THAT IS AFFORDABLE BETWEEN 60 AND 130% BASED ON THEIR RESPONSE DOESN'T IMPACT THE PROGRAMS WE HAVE IN PLACE THAT ARE AT 60 TO 80 OR 80 TO A HUNDRED.
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IT WOULD NEED TO BE MODIFIED IN OUR DEFINITION AND THEN IN THE USE SPECIFIC CONDITIONS.UM, AGAIN, NUMBER TWO, THERE IS AN AGREEMENT THAT THE SHARED PARKING AGREEMENT GOES AS LONG AS THE EDUCATION PROPERTY IS USED FOR EDUCATION USE.
UM, BUT THERE'S A PROVISION THAT'S BEING ADDED IN THERE, UM, TO LIMIT IT AT 75 SPACES RATHER THAN THE CORRELATION TO THE NUMBER OF STUDENT, UM, SPACE SPACES.
UM, YOU CAN SEE IN ITEM FIVE, THE 15% REMAINS AS ORIGINALLY DRAFTED.
UM, AND THE A M I IS BACK TO 130% OF THE HUD PUBLISHED A M I FOR BUFORT COUNTY, UM, THAT IT'S A 10 YEAR TERM, UM, AS ORIGINALLY DRAFTED.
AND THEN THERE IS A CHANGE AT THE, UH, AT NUMBER 11 HERE, THAT IT DOES PROVIDE THE MAXIMUM FOUR BEDROOM PER DWELLING UNIT, UH, MAXIMUM.
SO THOSE ARE THE KIND OF THE BASIC ADJUSTMENTS BASED ON THE COUNCIL ACTION AND THE APPLICANT RESPONSE.
UM, WE PROVIDED THIS PURPOSE, UH, SEA PINE CIRCLE DISTRICT PURPOSE.
AND YOUR LAST, UH, PRESENTATION.
I'M I GONNA COVER TOO MUCH OF IT.
I MEAN, I THINK IT OUTLINES A, UH, SORT OF A MIXED USE, UM, OPPORTUNITY IN THE SEA PINE CIRCLE DISTRICT TO MIX DIFFERENT USES AND, AND ACT AND ACTIVITIES THROUGHOUT THE DAY.
UM, I DO WANNA REMIND COUNCIL THE LIST OF ALL OF THE DIFFERENT TYPES OF USES THAT ARE ALLOWED IN THE SEA PINE CIRCLE, UH, DISTRICT.
AND YOU CAN SEE 'EM ALL LISTED, DIFFERENT TYPES OF RESIDENTIAL, UH, PUBLIC AND CIVIC.
IT'S A PRETTY ECLECTIC, UH, DISTRICT, UH, WITH, WITH RETAIL, WITH SHOPPING CENTER, WITH RESTAURANTS, WITH OFFICE SPACE.
UM, AND SO, UM, THERE'S ALL OF THESE THAT ARE, THAT ARE ENTITLED BY RIGHT WITHIN THAT DISTRICT ALREADY TODAY.
UM, WE WENT THROUGH AN ANALYSIS TO DO A COMPARISON BETWEEN ISLANDERS MIXED USE AND MIXED USE AND, UM, AND TO KIND OF, UH, REDUCE IT DOWN TO SOMEWHERE WHERE THERE WERE SOME DIFFERENCES.
UM, THE DEFINITION BETWEEN OUTLANDER MIXED USE AND REGULAR MIXED USE IS ROUGHLY THE SAME UM, THERE ARE THE USE SPECIFIC CONDITIONS, WHICH HAVE THE LOCATION REQUIREMENT, UM, THE WORKFORCE COMPONENT, UM, AND THE THE BEDROOM MAXIMUM.
UM, AND THERE'S A LOT OF USES PERMITTED BY RIGHT AND SPECIAL EXEMPTIONS IN THESE, SUMMARIZE THE ONES THAT WERE ON THE PREVIOUS PAGE.
SO BASED ON THE INFORMATION PRESENTED ON JULY 18TH, THERE WERE SOME ADDITIONAL, UM, ITEMS BROUGHT UP FOR A EVALUATION ASSESSMENT AND TO COME BACK TO TOWN COUNCIL WITH SOME ADDITIONAL, UH, INFORMATION FOR YOU TO, UM, FACTOR INTO YOUR DECISION MAKING.
UM, THEY INVOLVE THE AREA, MEDIAN INCOME ISLANDER MIXED USE AMENDMENTS, UM, OF THE AREA AFFECTED BY THE, BY THE AMENDED DISTRICT TRAFFIC INGESTION IMPACTS AND DENSITY.
UM, AND SO I'M GONNA RUN THROUGH SOME OF THAT.
UM, NOW, SO WE'VE INCLUDED AN UPDATED TABLE TO SHOW BOTH ITEMS HIGHLIGHTED.
ONE WAS THE, UM, 130% A M I THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMITTED AND, AND HAS RESPONDED TO MAINTAIN THAT LEVEL OF, UH, THAT TARGET OR TO NOT, TO NOT EXCEED 130% A M I.
AND YOU CAN SEE, UH, WHERE THAT IS VERSUS THE 90%, WHICH WAS RECOMMENDED BY TOWN COUNCIL LAST MONTH.
YOU KNOW, FOR A FAMILY OF FOUR, UH, BETWEEN 90 AND 130, YOU'RE LOOKING AT ABOUT 44,500 DIFFERENCE IN THE, IN THE, IN THE INCOME THERE.
UM, SO JUST A COMPARATIVE HERE BETWEEN THOSE TWO TARGETS THAT WERE IDENTIFIED BY COUNSEL AND THEN RESPONSE FROM THE APPLICANT.
UH, WE ALSO INCLUDED AN AFFORDABLE RENT BASED ON THAT AREA MEETING INCOME, TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF WHAT, WHAT THOSE RENT TAR, THOSE TARGETED RENTS MIGHT BE AT 90 OR 130% BASED ON HOUSEHOLD SIZE SIZES OF ONE, TWO, AND THREE.
UM, AND YOU CAN SEE THAT ON THE SCREEN HERE FOR COMPARATIVE PURPOSES.
SO WE WERE ASKED TO LOOK AT THE AREA THAT WAS IMPACTED.
I'M GONNA COVER A LITTLE BIT ON THE, THE POINTS ON THE LEFT, AND THERE'S A BLOWN UP MAP ON THE NEXT, UH, SIDE, BUT THERE'S A REQUIREMENT THAT IT HAS TO BE WITHIN 500, UH, FEET OF A EDUCATION USE.
AND SO YOU CAN SEE ON THE MAP THERE'S A GREEN DASH LINE THAT OUTLINES A 500 FOOT BUFFER AROUND THE EDUCATION USE PROPERTY.
AND ALL OF THOSE THAT ARE HIGHLIGHTED IN THE, LET'S CALL BUBBLEGUM OR THIS PINKISH THAT HAVE THE LABELS ON OWNER'S NAMES ARE THOSE THAT MEET ARE WITHIN
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THAT 500 FOOT, UM, DISTANCE.THOSE INCLUDE THE APPLICANT'S PARCELS.
AND ACCORDING TO OUR RECORDS, THERE ARE SIX WITHIN THAT GEOGRAPHY.
SO IT'S 17 BEYOND THE APPLICANT'S PARCEL, UM, THAT ARE SHOWN HERE IN PINK.
UM, AND YOU CAN SEE WE'VE IDENTIFIED THE OWNERSHIP BASED ON THE OWNER OF RECORD AND LABELED, UM, THAT MAP.
AND IT'S BLOWN UP HERE, UM, A LITTLE BIT BETTER.
UM, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS.
I'D BE HAPPY TO TAKE 'EM WHILE I HAVE THE MAP UP AND, UM, AND THIS LOCATION CRITERIA.
UM, IF I NEED TO EXPLAIN ANY MORE OF THAT, MOVE ON.
I JUST A QUICK QUESTION, UM, FOR CLARITY, WHERE THE GREEN DOTTED LINE GOES AROUND JUST THE BUBBLE GUM, BECAUSE THAT GREEN LINE IS TOUCHING THAT AREA, IT MEANS THAT IT'S, IT'S ABLE TO, TO, WOULD BE ABLE TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF, OF THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT CORRECT.
IF THE, IF THE 500 FEET FROM THE, FROM THE NEAREST POINT OF THE U S A B PROPERTY LINE TO THE NEAREST POINT OF, UH, A PRO, ANOTHER PROPERTY IN SEA PINE CIRCLE DISTRICT IS 500 FEET, UM, OR LESS THAN THAT, THAT PROPERTY WOULD BE ELIGIBLE TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE ISLANDER MIXED USE, CONDITIONAL USE.
AND THAT 500 FEET RADIUS IS THERE BECAUSE, WELL, THERE WAS A LOCATION REQUIREMENT SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT, UM, TO TRY TO NARROW THE WELL TO TRY TO FOCUS THE USE OF AND, AND THE, THE PROVISION FOR STUDENT HOUSING TO AN EDUCATION USE.
AND I BELIEVE TO HELP NARROW THE AREA OF IMPACT, UM, WITHIN THAT DISTRICT, YOU SAW ON THE PREVIOUS SLIDE, THERE'S THE OTHER, THERE'S 76 PROPERTIES WITHIN THE SEA PINE CIRCLE DISTRICT.
AND SO THIS CREATES A SUBSET OF ONLY 23 PROPERTIES WITHIN THE SEA PINE CIRCLE DISTRICT THAT COULD TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE CONDITIONAL USE.
SORRY, MAYOR, FOLLOW UP QUESTION THAT, SO IF THE GREEN LINE PASSES THROUGH PART OF THE PROPERTY, WOULD IT BE ONLY THAT PART OF THE PROPERTY WITHIN THE GREEN LINE? IT COULD BE USED FOR THAT PURPOSE, OR IS IT THE WHOLE PROPERTY? NOT, NOT CURRENTLY IS DRAFTED.
IF IT, IF YOU'RE WITHIN 500 FEET AND IT, YOU, YOU HAVE ONE FOOT, YOU'RE 499 FEET AND ONE FEET OF ONE FOOT OF YOUR PROPERTY, THAT WOULD QUALIFY, UM, YOU TO, TO, AND BE ELIGIBLE FOR THIS, UM, FOR THIS, UM, CONDITIONAL USE.
UM, ON PATSY'S QUESTION, YOU, YOU ANSWERED SAYING THAT NOT AS IT'S CURRENTLY DRAFTED, IS THERE A WAY TO, TO MAKE IT A MAJORITY OF, IS THERE A WAY TO REFINE THAT? WELL, I'M, SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TEXT AMENDMENTS, AND SO, YOU KNOW, AT THE, AT THE DIRECTION OF COUNCIL, WE CAN EVALUATE ANYTHING.
UM, IF YOU RECALL, IF, IF, IF YOU MONITOR THIS PRO THIS PROCESS, IT WAS, THERE WAS A THOUSAND FOOT LO UM, LOCATION REQUIREMENT AT ONE POINT, AND I THINK 500, IT WOULD HELP NARROW DOWN THOSE IMPACTED PROPERTIES.
THE 500 FOOT, UM, DISTANCE REQUIREMENT TO THE NEAREST POINT OF ANOTHER PROPERTY IS CONSISTENT WITH SOME OTHER LOCATION REQUIREMENTS THAT WE HAVE IN OUR L M O.
UH, BUT THERE'S DIFFERENT WAYS THAT YOU COULD OUTLINE THAT.
UH, YOU COULD SAY THE PROPERTY HAS TO ENTIRELY BE WITHIN THAT 500 FEET OR 600, WHATEVER.
SO YES, THERE'S, BUT, BUT IT'S CURRENTLY DRAFTED.
IF YOU'RE WITHIN A 500 FEET OF THE U SS C B OR THE EDUCATION USED PROPERTY, THEN YOU WOULD QUALIFY FOR THE CONDITIONAL USE THAT'S OUTLINED IN THIS AMENDMENT.
UM, ALL RIGHT, SO THAT WAS THE, THE AIR, THE PROPERTIES THAT COULD BE IMPACTED.
AND THERE'S A LITTLE BIT MORE ANALYSIS AS I GO THROUGH THIS, UM, BUT WE LOOKED AT THE TRAFFIC IMPACT BASED ON EXISTING DEVELOPMENT, UM, PROPERTIES THAT HAD EXI ADDITIONAL DEVELOPMENT POTENTIAL.
AND THEN IF THOSE PROPERTIES THAT COULD TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE ISLANDER MIXED USE TEXT AMENDMENT CONDITIONAL USE, TOOK ADVANTAGE OF IT, WHAT WOULD THAT LOOK LIKE FROM A TRAFFIC GENERATION? UM, AND WE, WE PUT TOGETHER A COMPARATIVE TABLE TO TAKE A LOOK AT THAT.
THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT IN THE, IN THE TRAFFIC IMPACT ASSESSMENT THAT WAS DONE BY THE DEV, BY THE APPLICANT, UM, IDENTIFIED 1,427 TRIPS ON, UM, ON THE DEVELOPED SITE.
BASED ON THE SCENARIO THEY WERE PROPOSING.
OF THOSE 960 WERE RELATED TO THE RESIDENTIAL, THE SORT OF THE RESIDENTIAL AND 4 67 WERE AFFILIATED WITH NON-RESIDENTIAL, THERE WAS A, UM, THERE'S A RETAIL COMPONENT THAT WAS PART OF THEIR PROPOSAL.
UM, AND SO WHEN I GO TO THE NEXT, WHEN I GO TO THE TABLE, I'LL CLARIFY THAT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE, UH, COMPARING APPLES TO APPLES IN THIS, UM, IN THIS ASSESSMENT.
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QUICK, WITHIN, WITHIN THAT ANALYSIS, WAS PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION? ARE YOU AWARE IN THE, ONE OF THE DISCUSSIONS THERE IS THE FACT THAT, YOU KNOW, THE, THE TROLLEY COMES THROUGH, UH, THERE WASN'T, UM, THERE WASN'T MUCH CONSIDERATION FOR PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION.IT WAS ALL TRIP GENERATION BASED ON, UH, UM, THE, THE ASSESSMENT AND ANALYSIS OF THE DIFFERENT USES ON THE SITE.
SO, AND THEN, SO WE DIDN'T GO DO A TRAFFIC IMPACT ASSESSMENT FOR EVERY PROPERTY WITHIN THE CINE CIRCLE DISTRICT.
WE CAN TAKE ADVANTAGE OF IT, BUT WE DID EVALUATE AGAINST THE I T E, WHICH IS INSTITUTE OF TRANSPORTATION ENGINEER TRIP GENERATION MANUAL TO DEVELOP A, A COMPARATIVE TABLE, UM, OF THE PROPERTIES THAT, UH, WERE WITHIN THAT DISTRICT.
AND SO I'LL, I CAN SPEND AS MUCH TIME ON THIS TABLE AS, AS YOU'D LIKE, BUT THE PROPERTIES ON THE LEFT ARE PROPERTIES WITHIN THAT DISTRICT THAT WERE WITHIN THAT 500 FEET COULD TAKE ADVANTAGE OF IT.
UM, THERE AGAIN, THERE'S SOME QUALIFICATIONS OF THE 26 PROPERTIES.
SIX, AS WE HAVE IDENTIFIED IN OUR G I S, ARE THE, THE PROPERTY IN QUESTION THAT THAT WAS BEING, THAT HAD BEEN PROPOSED, UM, AND HAS BEEN SHARED HERE BEFORE.
THREE OF THE PROPERTIES ARE THE TD BANK.
UM, AND SO WE LOOKED AT THE, THE OTHER PROPERTIES WITHIN THE DISTRICT BASED ON THE ACREAGE, BASED ON THE EXISTING DEVELOPMENT LISTED FOR EACH PROPERTY.
UM, WE DEVELOPED A EXISTING TRIP GENERATION.
AND SO YOU HAVE ACREAGE, SO LET'S, I, I DON'T WANNA PICK ON RALLIES, BUT THEY'RE AT THE TOP, UH, RALLIES, THE ENTIRE COMPLEX, 4.72 ACRES, THERE'S 31,000 SQUARE FEET EXISTING THERE.
THE EXISTING TRIPS GENERATED THROUGH THE IT MANUAL ON A DAILY BASIS ARE 2,800 TRIPS.
AND THESE ARE DAILY, NOT PEAK, BUT DAILY TRIPS.
THERE IS SOME ADDITIONAL DEVELOPMENT POTENTIAL.
THE NON-RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT POTENTIAL BY RIGHT IN THAT DISTRICT IS 10,000 SQUARE FEET PER ACRE.
SO YOU CAN SEE 10,000 TIMES 4.72, YOU COULD DO 47,000 SQUARE FEET.
UM, THAT ADDITIONAL BUYRIGHT DEVELOPMENT, IF, IF THE OWNER WERE TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF IT, COULD GENERATE ADDITIONAL TRIPS, UH, TOTAL, UM, TRIPS UP TO 4,200 PER DAY.
NOW, I WANNA SAY THAT I DIDN'T PLAY THE DOOM AND GLOOM GAME HERE, THE USES THAT WERE ON THE PROPERTIES, IF THERE WAS ADDITIONAL CAPACITY, I ASSUMED THAT IT WOULD BE A SIMILAR USE TO WHAT WAS ALREADY THERE.
UM, I DIDN'T SAY WE'RE GONNA MAKE THESE ALL HIGH VOLUME RETAIL OR TURNOVER FAST FOOD, BECAUSE THOSE TRIP, THOSE TRIPS WOULD BE INFLATED SIGNIFICANTLY.
SO IT'S JUST A CONTINUATION OF THE USE THAT WAS ON THE PROPERTY.
BUT FOR RILEY'S, YOU CAN SEE EXISTING 31, THEY COULD BUILD MORE, UM, IF THEY DID RESIDENTIAL BY RIGHT, THEY COULD DO 57, AND IF THEY TOOK ADVANTAGE OF THE ISLANDER MIXED USE TEXT AMENDMENT, THEY COULD BUILD 146 UNITS.
WE ALSO USE THE SAME YIELD BASED ON THE MODEL WE HAD, WHICH IS ROUGHLY 31 UNITS PER ACRE.
I WILL SAY THAT SMALLER SITES LIKE THE WELLS FARGO OR SPINNAKER BUILDING PROBABLY CAN'T GET A 31 UNIT YIELD.
SO THE TRIPS ARE PROBABLY SLIGHTLY HIGHER AND MORE OF A WORSE CASE THAN, UM, THAN ANYTHING ELSE.
BUT YOU CAN SEE, UM, IF, IF IT WAS REDEVELOPED AS RESIDENTIAL, UM, UNDER A BUY RIGHT, OR THE I, THE I MIXED USE APPROACH, THE TRIP GENERATION WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, THREE 80 TO A THOUSAND LET'S SAY, VERSUS THE EXISTING DEVELOPMENT OR POTENTIAL EXPANDED DEVELOPMENT ON THAT SITE, 2,800 TO 4,200.
AND, AND WE WENT THROUGH THAT FOR EACH OF THESE.
UM, THERE'S ONLY A COUPLE ANOMALIES.
ONE IS THE HARRIS TEETER GAS STATION.
WE LEFT, UM, THE GAS STATION, THEY, THEY HAVE 10 PUMPS.
THE IT GENERATES I, UM, TRIPS BASED ON A NUMBER OF STATE FUELING STATIONS.
SO THEY'RE THE SAME AND THEY PROBABLY CAN'T EXPAND.
UM, BUT LOOKING AT THE, THE YIELD FROM A TRIP GENERATION BASED ON THE NUMBER OF UNITS, AND THAT'S A REALLY GOOD ONE, IT'S ONLY 0.7 ACRES, SO TO YIELD 22 UNITS IS PROBABLY NOT FEASIBLE.
BUT, BUT NO MATTER WHAT, IF THEY TOOK ADVANTAGE OF IT AND IT WAS ONLY 10 OR 12, THE TRIPS WOULD BE SIGNIFICANTLY LOWER THAN WHAT'S BEING GENERATED THERE TODAY.
UH, SO SHA IF YOU COULD HANG THERE FOR A SECOND.
IT'S IN WHAT YOU JUST SAID ABOUT THE UNITS PER ACRE VERSUS THE LOT SIZE THAT YOU JUST UTILIZED.
31 UNITS BASICALLY PER ACRE, AND THAT SHOWS UP IN HARRIS TEETER VERY CLEARLY AT 0.7, TAKES YOU DOWN TO 22 UNITS.
OBVIOUSLY WITH SETBACKS AND EVERYTHING ELSE, YOU WOULD NOT EVEN BE CLOSE TO THAT.
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THIS IS MORE THAN A WORST CASE SCENARIO YEAH.I ASSUMED EXTREME, EXTREME CREATIVITY YES.
ON A DESIGN PERSON TO YIELD THE, GET A SAME YIELD PER ACRE, BUT, AND YEAH, AND I, THE UNDERTAKING TO GET THAT INFORMATION PULLED TOGETHER IN A FAIRLY SHORT AMOUNT OF TIME IS, I WOULD'VE COULDN'T IMAGINE ENOUGH TIME IT WOULD TAKE.
SO I WOULD SAY ANYTHING THAT'S TWO ACRES OR UNDER, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE NOT GONNA GET THAT SAME YIELD BECAUSE OF THE SETBACKS, BUFFERS, UH, OTHER REQUIREMENTS ACCESS.
UM, AND SO, YOU KNOW, I THINK FROM A COMPARATIVE PURPOSES, IF YOU LOOK AT THE TRIP GENERATION UNDER THE RESIDENTIAL OR I M U SCENARIO, IT'S, IT'S MORE THAN AVERAGE, LESS THAN THE EXISTING TRIP GENERATION FROM EXISTING DEVELOPMENT OR EXPANDED DEVELOPMENT ON THOSE SITES.
AND, AND THEN I ALSO WANNA JUST POINT OUT WELLS FARGO, WHERE YOU'VE GOT AN EXISTING DEVELOPMENT THAT IS AT 25,000 SQUARE FEET WHERE THEY'RE OVER BY, RIGHT? CORRECT.
'CAUSE THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BE AT 14 SEVEN.
UM, AND IF THEY WERE TO GO TO THE I M U MODEL, THEN THOSE TRIPS, THEY'RE BASICALLY THE SAME WITH A SMALLER FOOTPRINT.
AND WE, AND WE DID CALCULATE THE, WELL, WE DID CALCULATE THE TRIP GENERATION FOR THE RESIDENTIAL I M U BASED ON THE REDUCED OR BASED ON THE ACREAGE, NOT THE EXISTING BOAT.
UM, THE ONLY OTHER POINT I WANNA MAKE OUT HERE IS, SO I, I DIDN'T INCLUDE THE NON-RESIDENTIAL COMPONENT IN THE TABLE I HAD INITIALLY.
UM, AND SO THE, THE NUMBER THAT WAS SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT FOR THE I M U PROPERTIES WAS FOURTEEN HUNDRED AND SIXTY SEVEN NINETY SEVEN, UH, 1427.
UM, AND SO IF YOU LOOKED AT JUST THE TRANSLATION AS AN I M U RESIDENTIAL USE, THAT WOULD BE THE TRIP GENERATION, UM, COMPARATIVE TO THE ONES ABOVE IT.
UM, AND I ALSO DID THE I T E CALCULATION.
SO IF THE 4.34 ACRES OF THE I M U PROPERTIES WERE DEVELOPED FOR RETAIL, UH, OR SPECIALTY RETAIL, THE TRIPS WOULD BE BETWEEN 1863 AND 1923.
SO, UM, IF IT WAS DEVELOPED AS A DIFFERENT USE, UM, THEN THE, THE TRIP GENERATION RATE IS LIKELY HIGHER BASED ON THE ENTITLE U UH, THE, THE ENTITLEMENTS WITHIN THAT DISTRICT.
SO WHEN, WHEN YOU DID THE I T E ON, ON THE, ON THE I M U, UM, SINCE THERE'S SO MANY DIFFERENT POTENTIAL USES FOR THAT SITE, WHICH ONE DID YOU CHOOSE? WELL, FOR ALL RIGHT, FOR THE, THE BAR RESTAURANT NINE 60, WE, WE LOOKED AT JUST THE GENERAL APARTMENT.
UM, IF YOU, IF, IF YOU WENT THROUGH THE T A I, UH, THE TRAFFIC IMPACT ASSESSMENT, THEY HAD A LITTLE BIT MORE BREAKDOWN INTO 16 DORMITORY UNITS WITH FOUR ROOMS. AND SO I WOULD SAY THAT THAT'S A LITTLE MORE FINE TUNED.
BUT THE RESIDENTIAL COMPONENT WAS, WAS ROUGH, WAS, WAS PRETTY CLOSE.
AND SO FROM COMPARATIVE PURPOSES, THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S WHAT WAS USED.
BUT THEN I, BUT THEN I LOOKED AT THAT PROPERTY AND SAID IF IT WAS, IF IT WAS DEVELOPED, I MEAN, IF YOU LOOK AT THE HARRIS TEETER, WELL THAT'S TWICE AS LARGE, BUT IF YOU LOOK AT SOME OF THE OTHER USES HERE, RETAIL OFFICE, UM, SPECIALTY RETAIL RESTAURANT, THE TRIP GENERATION WAS HIGHER THAN THE BUY RIGHT RESIDENTIAL OR THE I M U TRIP GENERATION.
AND, AND IN BOTH OF THE SCENARIOS I MENTIONED, IT WAS EVEN HIGHER THAN IF YOU FACTORED IN THE NON-RESIDENTIAL COMPONENT OF THAT 14, 27 DAILY TRIPS THAT WAS SUBMITTED AS PART OF THE PACKET.
MR. COHEN, UH, DO I THINK I RECALL READING IN THE MATERIAL SOMEPLACE THAT YOU SAID SOMETHING LIKE SIX PARTIALS WOULD NOT HAVE ANY FURTHER DEVELOPMENT.
COULD YOU CLARIFY WHAT THAT MEANS, PLEASE? UH, THAT, THAT'S A GREAT POINT.
AND SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE, THE EXISTING DEVELOPMENT SQUARE FOOTAGE AND THEN THE BUY RIGHT WHERE THE BUY RIGHT IS LESS THAN EXISTING.
SO WELLS FARGO BE BECAUSE THE DENSITY FOR NON-RESIDENTIAL IS 10,000 SQUARE FEET PER ACRE, AND THEY'RE 1.47 ACRES BY RIGHT, THEY'RE ENTITLED TO 14,700 SQUARE FEET, BUT THEY'RE BUILT AT 25,000 SQUARE FEET.
SO THEY'RE LEGALLY NON-CONFORMING FROM A DENSITY STANDPOINT.
SO IF THEY WERE TO REDEVELOP THE SITE, UM, THEY WOULD HAVE SOME LIMITATIONS THAT, UM, THEY, THEY WOULDN'T BE ALLOWED TO EXPAND THE DEVELOPMENT.
UM, AND, AND A COMPLETE REDEVELOPMENT LIKELY HAVE TO COME BACK INTO COMPLIANCE WITH THE DENSITY ALLOWED BY THE DISTRICT, NOT WHAT'S EXISTING.
AND SO IF YOU LOOK AT IT, WHEREVER THIS COLUMN IS, IS LESS SO WELLS FARGO, SPINNAKER, THE P N C AND THE TD BANK ARE, ARE ALL OVER THEIR DENSITY, UM, ALLOCATION BY, RIGHT.
SO THEY'RE ALL LEGALLY NON-CONFORMING FROM A DENSITY STANDPOINT.
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DOES THAT MEAN THEY CAN'T EXPAND OR DO ANYTHING THEY, THEY CANNOT EXPAND ANYMORE? THAT'S CORRECT, SIR.AND IF IT WAS REBUILT, IT'D HAVE TO BE SMALLER.
THERE ARE SOME PROVISIONS IN OUR NON-CONFORMING SUBSTITUTION NONCONFORMITIES SECTION OF THE CODE, UM, WHICH ALLOW NO ADDITIONAL INCREASE IN NON-CONFORMITY TO PROVIDE SOME FLEXIBILITY, BUT THEY DEFINITELY COULDN'T EXPAND.
UM, AND IF THEY WERE TO TEAR DOWN AND REDO IT, WOULD, IT WOULD REQUIRE, UH, MEETING THE FLOOD CODE AND THE REQUIREMENTS OUTLINED IN THE DISTRICT? YES, SIR.
ANYTHING ELSE ON THAT TABLE? I SAID IT'LL SPEND AS LONG AS YOU WANT.
IT WAS LOOKED LIKE 12 MINUTES.
HOW'S THAT? GOOD
UM, SO AGAIN, 23 PROPERTIES WITHIN THE AREA WERE ANALYZED.
UM, YOU JUMPED AHEAD OF ME, COUNCILMAN ALFORD, THIS WAS ON THE NEXT SLIDE.
UH, BUT THE, THOSE PROPERTIES ARE LISTED THERE.
THE ONES THAT ARE OVER DENSITY AND COULD NOT TAKE ADVANTAGE OF ADDITIONAL DEVELOPMENT.
THEY DON'T HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL DEVELOPMENT CAPACITY.
UM, WE, WE DID, UM, INCLUDE IN THERE, RIGHT, THE RESIDENTIAL BY RIDE IS 12 UNITS PER ACRE.
UM, AND THEN THE I M U, WE ASSUME THAT 31, UH, DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE, I PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE PUT THIS RIGHT BEFORE EXPLAINING IT 'CAUSE IT'S ALL RIGHT HERE.
BUT, UM, AND IT, AND, UM, AND AGAIN, THE, WE DIDN'T INCLUDE THE NON-RESIDENTIAL AS WE DID THE COMPARATIVE IN THAT TABLE.
AND JUST FROM OUR CONVERSATION ON, ON THE PREVIOUS PAGE, OUR DWELLING UNIT DOES NOT DEFINE, UM, THE SIZE OR THE NUMBER OF BEDROOMS OR THE CAPACITY THAT CAN BE CONTAINED WITHIN IT.
UM, SO WHILE IT SEEMS AS THOUGH 12TH ONE UNITS MIGHT BE LESS, IT IN FACT AS IT IS, IS PRETTY MEANINGLESS AND COULD MEAN MORE, UM, IN TERMS OF OCCUPANCY AND, AND THE LIKE, TRAFFIC, ET CETERA.
SO A BEST CASE SCENARIO IS WHEN YOU HAVE SOMETHING THAT CONSTRAINS THE DWELLING UNIT, UM, YOU USE, AND WHEN YOU REFER TO FOUR BEDROOMS MAXIMUM AS THIS TEXT AMENDMENT DOES, IT INDEED DOES CONSTRAIN THE SIZE AND THE CAPACITY ALONG WITH OTHER FACTORS, UM, WHERE WHAT SITS NOW AS A BY USE BY USE DOES NOT THAT THAT'S CORRECT.
THERE IS NO, THERE'S NO BEDROOM LIMITATION.
THERE'S NO SQUARE FOOTAGE LIMITATION FOR A DWELLING.
WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IT COULD BE A 500 SQUARE FOOT OR 5,000 SQUARE FOOT UNIT AND IT QUALIFIES AS A DWELLING UNIT.
UM, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT'S UNDERSTOOD BY EVERYBODY THAT THIS TEXT AMENDMENT CONSTRAINTS THE BUILDING, UM, APPLICATION THAT CAN TAKE, UM, TAKE EFFECT HERE.
AND I THINK, UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK THE DESIGN STANDARDS OF THE SITE, UH, HEIGHT, SETBACK, BUFFERS, OPEN SPACE PARKING, ALL LIMIT DEVELOPMENT ON SITES IN BOTH SCENARIOS.
UM, BUT, BUT YOU'RE RIGHT UNDER THE CURRENT CODE, WE DON'T HAVE A FOUR BEDROOM LIMITATION IN A, IN A UNIT WHERE UNDER THIS, UH, AMENDED USE WITHIN THIS DISTRICT THAT DOES, IT DOES INCLUDE THAT.
AND EVERYONE KEEPS GETTING ONE SLIDE AHEAD OF ME, BUT, UM, SO JUST, JUST FOR COMPARATIVE PURPOSES, UM, YOU KNOW, WE DID LOOK AT THE, THERE WERE SOME SCENARIOS THAT WERE SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT.
I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT COUNCIL UNDERSTANDS THAT THIS IS A TEXT AMENDMENT ON THE DISTRICT FOR, FROM A POLICY STANDPOINT, NOT A PROJECT APPROVAL.
UH, BUT THERE WAS SCENARIOS THAT WERE SUBMITTED AND THIS KIND OF BREAKS IT DOWN.
AND SO THERE WAS A SCENARIO THAT, UH, THAT, THAT SHOWED, UH, 44 45 DWELLING, UM, UNITS, BUT WERE LARGER.
UM, THERE WASN'T A CAP ON BEDROOMS ON THE FIRST ONE, BUT THEY LOOKED AT, UM, UH, 440 BEDS IN 45 UNITS.
I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S 10 BEDROOMS, BUT IT, IT WOULD BE 10 BEDS, UH, IN THAT SCENARIO VERSUS WHAT HAS BEEN REFINED A LITTLE BIT IN THE ISLANDER MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT, EVEN THOUGH THE UNITS ARE, ARE MORE, THERE'S A, UM, THERE IS A LIMITATION ON THE, WITH THE FOUR BEDROOM THAT'S BEEN ADDED.
UM, AND, AND THESE NUMBERS ABOUT BEDROOMS WERE OFFERED BY THE APPLICANT IN THE SCENARIOS.
I, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY BEDS THEY'RE GONNA HAVE 'CAUSE I HAVEN'T, I'M EVALUATING A PROJECT AND THERE'S NO PROVISION IN HERE OR IN OUR CODE THAT LIMITS OCCUPANCY AS, BECAUSE I KNOW THAT THAT'S BEEN A QUESTION THAT HAS, HAS BEEN, UM, CIRCULATED.
UM, BUT THIS, THAT, THIS PROVIDES THAT ASSESSMENT OF THOSE SCENARIOS.
UM, I'M NOT GONNA GO THROUGH, THIS
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WAS PRESENTED AT THE LAST, BUT THERE'S A CRI THERE IS CRITERIA WHEN EVALUATING THESE TEXT AMENDMENT STANDARDS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, CONSISTENCY WITH A COMP PLAN, ADDRESSES, YOU KNOW, IS, IS NEEDED FOR CHANGING CONDITIONS, DEMONSTRATED NEED, AND ON AND ON HERE.UM, I WILL TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT PROCESS.
UM, SO IF THERE'S AN APPROVAL OF THE TEXT AMENDMENT REQUIRES AN ORDINANCE, TWO READINGS OF AN ORDINANCE, UM, IF THERE'S DEVIATION TO WHAT WENT TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND THE PUBLIC HEARING, IT HAS TO GO BACK FOR THE REVIEW AND COMMENT.
IF THERE'S A DENIAL OF THE TEXT AMENDMENT, IT'S DONE BY RESOLUTION.
AND THAT'S ALL, UH, IN YOUR PACKET.
UM, WE PUT A TENTATIVE TIMELINE HERE.
IF, IF THIS WERE TO ADVANCE, UM, OUT OF COUNSEL TODAY, UH, WE WOULD NEED TO LIKELY BRING ABOUT IF, IF, IF EITHER OF THE VERSIONS THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT TODAY, UH, WE'RE ADVANCED OUTTA COUNCIL WOULD HAVE TO GO TO PLANNING COMMISSION.
IF THERE'S A DIFFERENT VERSION, THEN WE HAVE TO FIGURE OUT IF IT HAS TO COME BACK TO COUNCIL FOR REVISED FIRST.
UM, OR IT CAN GO TO COUNCIL OR IT CAN GO TO PLANNING COMMISSION.
UM, I, I BELIEVE WE COULD REQUEST A SPECIAL MEETING OF PLANNING COMMISSION IF NEEDED, BUT I CAN'T MAKE THAT REQUEST UNTIL I HAVE AN AGENDA ITEM, UH, TO ASK THE CHAIRMAN.
BUT WE PUT A TENTATIVE TIMELINE HERE, THE, UH, FOR SECOND READING PLANNING COMMISSION, UM, INVOLVEMENT, AND THEN, UM, AND, AND, AND TO MOVE THAT FORWARD.
SO, AND IF I COULD ASK A QUESTION ABOUT THIS SLIDE, UH, THESE ARE THE NEXT STEPS AND YOU'VE HINTED AT, UM, A COUPLE OF OPTIONS THERE.
UH, BUT IT SEEMS AS THOUGH WE HAVE FOUR OPTIONS TO CONSIDER.
ONE IS, PARDON ME, THE TEXT LANGUAGE BASED ON A MOTION THAT WAS ADOPTED BY TOWN COUNCIL AT OUR LAST, UM, REGULAR MEETING.
THE OTHER IS THAT PLUS ANY CHANGES TO WHAT WAS ADOPTED ON JULY 18.
AND THEN THE THIRD IS TO APPROVE THE REQUEST OF THE APPLICANT, AND THEN THE FOURTH IS TO DENY THE REQUEST OF THE APPLICANT.
SO I THINK, AS I UNDERSTAND IT, THOSE ARE FOUR OPTIONS.
I KNOW I INTRODUCED ANOTHER ONE IN THERE IN CASE WE WANTED TO HAVE FURTHER AMENDMENTS TO WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT LAST TIME.
YES, I BELIEVE THAT'S CORRECT.
UM, AND SO WE'RE BACK, I CAN ANSWER ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS BASED ON THE ASSESSMENT THAT WE'VE DONE AND THE ANSWERS THAT WE'VE PROVIDED.
THE QUESTIONS WERE RAISED ON THE 18TH.
I, I BELIEVE THE APPLICANT IS HERE.
UM, AND PRO PROBABLY WOULD LIKE TO MAKE SOME COMMENTS OR PRESENT SOME MORE INFORMATION.
UM, AND SO I CAN WAIT AND I CAN ANSWER THEM NOW, OR I CAN WAIT UNTIL AFTER COUNSEL OR, OR AFTER THE APPLICANT COMES UP.
UH, MR. COLLIN, YOU RAISED BEFORE A, UH, A QUESTION, UH, RELATED TO THE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES AND SAID THAT IF ONE FOOT OF THOSE PROPERTIES ARE WITHIN THAT 500 FOOT RANGE AND THE ENTIRE PROPERTY IS CONSIDERED ELIGIBLE TO PARTICIPATE IN THE NEW ZONING, MAY I ASK YOU AND MR. COLTRANE, IF WE CHANGE THAT TO SAY SOME PERCENTAGE, WHICH I DON'T KNOW WOULD BE APPROPRIATE RIGHT NOW, BUT SAY 25% OF THE PROPERTIES MUST BE WITHIN THE 500 FOOT REGION.
WOULD THAT BE SOMETHING THAT WE COULD DO? MR. COLTRAN? DO YOU WANT TO ANSWER THAT? COUNSEL COULD AMEND THE LAND MANAGEMENT ORDINANCE TO, TO, AS YOU HAVE SAID, I MEAN TYPICALLY AND HISTORICALLY, THE, THE, THE CODE HAS BEEN INTERPRETED AND AND DESIGNED TO SAY CLOSEST POINT.
SO IF YOU WANTED TO AMEND THE LAND MANAGEMENT ORDINANCE TO SAY THAT THE ENTIRETY OF ANY PROPERTY MUST BE WITHIN THAT RADIUS ORDER FOR IT TO APPLY, YES, YOU CAN DO THAT.
UM, WOULD IT BE THROUGH THE, THE, THIS TEXT AMENDMENT? WOULD IT BE THROUGH AN ACTUAL CHANGE ON THE L M O? IT'D MAKE THAT A CONDITION OF THIS PARTICULAR PARTICULAR, UM, L M O AMENDMENT.
I MEAN THAT'S, I, YOU KNOW, THAT DOING THAT, I, I'M GONNA PROJECT SOMETHING HERE THAT MAY NOT BE ENTIRELY ACCURATE.
I THINK PART OF THE REASON FOR HAVING THE, THE READINESS IN THE FIRST PLACE WAS TO, UH, MOVE AWAY FROM THE CONCEPT OF A SPOT ZONE.
AND IF YOU, UM, DO AS OFFERED SUGGESTED, YOU'RE GONNA LIMIT IT BACK AND KIND OF BE RIGHT BACK TO THAT, THAT THERE'LL BE VERY FEW PLACES WHERE, WHERE THIS WOULD ACTUALLY APPLY.
YOU KNOW, THAT'S, AGAIN, THAT IS A POLICY CONSIDERATION FOR COUNCIL.
SO IT'D BE A, IT WOULD BE A CHANGE TO NUMBER THREE AS DELINEATED HERE ON THE USE CONDITION.
UM, 'CAUSE AGAIN, RIGHT NOW IT'S ON A PROPERTY WITHIN 500 FEET, NEAREST PROPERTY LINE,
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NEAREST PROPERTY LINE.SO THAT WOULD JUST BE A CHANGE TO THAT PROVISION.
OTHER, OTHER QUESTIONS, PAT? YES.
UM, WHILE YOU'RE FLIPPING THROUGH THOSE SLIDES,
I THINK IT'D BE HELPFUL FOR US TO SEE THAT SLIDE.
UM, SO I'M GUESSING IT'S IN THERE SOMEWHERE.
I KNOW I'VE GOT A HARD COPY OF IT.
AND KIM, THERE'S ANOTHER ATTACHMENT SIX, I THINK WAS IN THAT ATTACHMENT FIVE, BUT IT HAS ON THE TITLE FOR THE MOTION? NO, THERE'S AN ATTACHMENT.
THERE'S A, A M I, IT'S A TABLE OF OCCUPATIONS AND INCOMES.
AND AS I RECALL, THE STAFF PUT TOGETHER THIS INFORMATION BASED ON, UM, UH, THE TYPES OF POTENTIAL SERVICE OCCUPATIONS THAT MIGHT BE INCLUDED WITHIN THIS TEXT AMENDMENT TO THIS PARTICULAR DISTRICT.
UM, PROTECTIVE SERVICE OCCUPATION SUCH AS LIFEGUARD SKI PATROL, RECREATIONAL PROTECTIVE SERVICE WORKERS, AND THEN LUMPING TOGETHER FOOD PREPARATION, SERVING RELATED OCCUPATIONS, AND THEN SEPARATELY RETAIL SALESPERSON, CASHIERS AND SOME OTHER ONES.
UM, WHAT I NOTICED IS THAT IN PREVIOUS INFORMATION WE HAD THAT THE STAFF PUT TOGETHER ABOUT OCCUPATIONS ANDIS BASED ON THE HOUSEHOLD, THE VARIOUS HOUSEHOLD SIZES.
UM, AND SINCE WE HAVE A LETTER FROM THE HOSPITAL, I, I THINK IT'D ALSO BE HELPFUL TO, AND I'M NOT SURE YOU HAVE THAT DATA IN FRONT OF YOU, UM, BUT, UM, AN L P N NURSE FIRST YEAR WOULD BE 70 TO 80%.
UM, AND AN L P N THREE YEARS WOULD BE 70 TO 80% FIVE YEARS, 80 TO 90% AN RN, 90 TO A HUNDRED PERCENT.
UM, FIRST YEAR, THIRD YEAR, A HUNDRED, 110% AND ONLY THE THIRD YEAR, SORRY, THIRD COLUMN, WHICH IS FIVE YEARS IS 120 TO 130%.
SO, UM, ALTHOUGH IT'S A LITTLE BIT OF DISTANCE FROM THE HOSPITAL, I THOUGHT IT'D BE HELPFUL TO ALSO INCLUDE THOSE SINCE THE HOSPITAL, UM, SENT US THE LETTER.
UM, BUT I THINK THIS IS HELPFUL FOR US TO TAKE A LOOK AT WHEN WE'RE CONSIDERING, UH, THE REQUEST OF THE APPLICANT, UM, AND OUR PREVIOUS, UH, COMMITMENT TO THAT, THE TAX AMENDMENT WITH REGARD TO THE A M I PERCENTAGE.
YEAH, AND THIS WAS PART OF YOUR PACKET, AND I THINK THE APPLICANT HAS AN, ALSO HAS A, A, ANOTHER CHART SHOWING OCCUPATIONS, UM, AND THEY MAY WANT TO SHARE THAT WHEN THEY DO THEIR PRESENTATION AS WELL.
MAY I ASK YOU, UM, IN TERMS OF THE STATISTICS HERE, UM, A COUPLE OF THINGS BECOME OBVIOUS TO ME THAT THEY ARE BASED, THE ANNUAL SALARIES ARE BASED ON, UM, HOURLY WAGE AND DON'T NECESSARILY TAKE INTO ACCOUNT TIPS, INCENTIVES, BONUSES, ANY OF THE REST, WHICH, UM, WE KNOW, AT LEAST I'VE BEEN TOLD, UM, FROM THOSE WHO DO KNOW, UM, WHEN ADDED IN, RAISE THESE ANNUAL SALARIES SIGNIFICANTLY.
AND SO IT'S, IT'S, IT'S RATHER MISLEADING NOT TO INCLUDE THOSE.
AND I WOULD JUST POINT OUT A LITTLE BIT FURTHER THAT IN TERMS OF, UM, A M I REQUIREMENTS FOR HOUSING, THAT THE EMPLOYERS WHO ARE ASKING FOR THIS TEXT AMENDMENT TO, TO GO THROUGH ARE THE ONES WHO KNOW BEST WHAT THEIR VARIOUS EMPLOYEES ARE MAKING ON A REGULAR BASIS AND WHAT IT IS THAT THEY AS EMPLOYERS WANTING THOSE EMPLOYEES TO LIVE AND WORK HERE THAT CAN AFFORD.
AND IT'S WITHIN THEIR DISCRETION TO ASSIST WITH MAKING UP, UM, THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN, SO THAT'S ON THAT SIDE OF IT, BUT WITHIN THE WORKFORCE HOUSING ASPECT OF IT, UM, I THINK THOSE, THOSE, UM, ANNUAL SALARIES NEED TO BE REFLECTIVE OF THOSE ADDITIONAL INCOMES, THE TIPS AND BONUSES, ET CETERA.
UM, AND, AND ONE OTHER THING THAT I'D LIKE TO, UM, POINT OUT THAT WAS POINTED OUT TO ME, UM, THAT THESE, UH, PERCENTAGES, UM, THESE ANNUAL SALARIES DON'T NECESSARILY REFLECT THE WORKERS HERE ON HILTON HEAD AND THAT THEY'RE MORE REGIONALLY BASED, AND WE ALL KNOW THAT ON HILTON HEAD, WE, UM, MAKE PAY
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A LITTLE BIT MORE, UM, AND HAPPILY DO SO, AND FOLKS MAKE A LITTLE BIT MORE, UM, BECAUSE WE STAND OVER AND ABOVE THE REGION IN TERMS OF, UM, OUR WORKFORCE IN HOW WE, UM, APPRECIATE THEM THROUGH HIGHER TIPS, ET CETERA.SO I THINK IT WOULD MAKE MORE SENSE IF WE WERE LOOKING AT SALARIES THAT WERE BASED ON A, UM, A DIFFERENT, UM, ANALYSIS, ONE THAT HONES IN MORE CLOSELY TO PINPOINT HILTON HEAD ISLAND.
AND I BELIEVE THAT TYPE OF SURVEY EXISTS THROUGH THE, UM, IT'S A C S, WHICH I THINK STANDS FOR AMERICAN, UM, UH, COMMUNITY SURVEY, THE AMERICAN COMMUNITY SURVEY.
UM, AND I, I JUST WONDER WHY WE'RE NOT USING THAT.
WELL, I, I KNOW THAT OUR PROGRAMS, LET'S GIVE A RESPONSE.
THERE'S, OUR PROGRAMS ARE FOR, OUR WORKFORCE HOUSING IS BASED ON THE HUD PUBLISHED, UM, BEAUFORT COUNTY AREA, AREA MEETING INCOME.
IT IS JUST FOR BEAUFORT COUNTY.
WHAT WE'VE INCLUDED HERE, WHICH WE ASKED OUR HOUSING CONSULTANT TO HELP US WITH, DID BASE IT ON THE HILTON HUD BUREAU, BUREAU OF LABOR STATISTICS.
SO IT IS, THIS IS MORE FINE TUNED FOR HILTON HEAD, UH, SPECIFICALLY IN THOSE SECTORS.
UM, WE, WE DIDN'T HAVE A TARGET EMPLOYEE FROM THE APPLICANT, SO WE MADE SOME ASSUMPTIONS HERE AND INCLUDED THOSE WORKER CLASSIFICATIONS.
I THINK THEY MAY HAVE ADDITIONAL INFORMATION, A TABLE TO SHARE THAT, THAT, UM, PROVIDES SOME MORE INFORMATION FOR COUNSEL AND THEIR CONSIDERATION.
UM, YOU, WHEN THEY LOOK AT THE COMPENSATION TO DETERMINE THE, UM, A M I HERE, THEY LOOK AT REPORTED INCOME ACROSS THESE CLASSES.
AND SO, UM, IT, I THINK IT'S GOOD INFORMATION, BUT I THINK YOU'RE RIGHT.
THERE'S PROBABLY A LITTLE VARIATION, BUT, BUT THIS FROM A COMPARATIVE PURPOSES, I THINK IS OKAY.
YOU KNOW, WE, OUR RECOMMENDATION IS THAT IT'S BASED ON THE BUFORT COUNTY, THE, THE ANNUALLY PUBLISHED ONE, UH, WITH BUFORT COUNTY, IT'S UPDATED.
IT WAS, IT'S BEEN UPDATED SIGNIFICANTLY FOR THE, YOU KNOW, THE A HUNDRED PERCENT A M I HAS GONE UP 30 OR 40,000 IN THE PAST COUPLE OF YEARS.
SO I THINK IT'S A PRETTY GOOD REFLECTION OF, OF, UH, OF A M I AND, AND LOOKING AT, UM, SOME ADDITIONAL STATISTICS BOTH ON AND OFF ISLAND, THERE'S MUCH LESS OF A DIFFERENTIATION BETWEEN, UM, A, A, UM, A M I ON HILTON HEAD VERSUS A M I IN BEAUFORT COUNTY WITH A LOT OF DEVELOPMENT THAT'S HAPPENED IN BLUFFTON.
UM, SO THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT GAP IS NOT AS BIG AS THAT THAT WAS, BUT I THINK THE, UM, COMMENT THAT PATSY, UM, REFERRED TO, AND THANK YOU PATSY, FOR HAVING THAT INFORMATION WITH REGARD TO NURSES, WHICH WE KNOW ARE IN CRITICAL NEED HERE ON THE ISLAND ACROSS THE BOARD, NOT JUST AT THE HOSPITAL, BUT IN OUR HEALTHCARE OFFICES AS WELL, UM, REFLECTS THE NEED FOR A, UM, A HIGHER A M I AND I APOLOGIZE CONSIDERATION FOR NOT HAVING THAT IN, IN THE PRESENTATION.
I KNOW WE HAVE IT IN THE, YOU KNOW, THE VOLUME OF WORK THAT'S BEEN PUT TOGETHER ON THIS.
I DON'T WANNA LEAVE ANYONE OUT INSTEAD, HIGHER LEVEL INCOME EARNERS, UM, AS THEY'RE JUST BEGINNING THEIR PROFESSIONS, I'M THRILLED FOR THEM.
UM, BUT I WOULD LIKE FOR THEM TO BE ABLE TO HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO TAKE PART.
THIS IS PRESENTED TO US AS PROVIDING WORKER HOUSING.
UH, TO MY KNOWLEDGE, THERE IS NO A M I RESTRICTION HAVING TO DO WITH POTENTIAL RESIDENTS OF THESE UNITS OTHER THAN THE DORMITORY UNITS AND THOSE THAT ARE DESIGNATED AS WORKFORCE HOUSING.
IS THAT CORRECT? THAT IS CORRECT, SIR.
SO THERE'S NO LIMITATION ON INCOME THERE.
UM, NO, THE, THE DORMITORY ONES CANNOT COUNT IN THE 15 OR 20% PROPOSED, BUT THE 15 OR 20% WOULD EITHER HAVE TO MEET THE 90 AS PROPOSED BY COUNSEL OR THE 130, AND THAT WOULD BE THE LIMITATION.
AND IT'S BASED ON THE HUD A M I, NOT THE BUREAU OF LABOR STATISTICS.
BUT MY POINT IS THE UNITS THAT WERE NOT IN THOSE TWO CATEGORIES, IT'S ANOTHER I THINK 92 UNITS.
UH, THERE'S NO A M I RESTRICTION ON THOSE.
I JUST, I JUST WANNA SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, LOOKING AT THESE NUMBERS, UM, YOU KNOW, I LOOK AT A BARTENDER THAT, AND IT'S INDICATED THEY'RE MAKING $24,000 A YEAR.
UM, I DON'T KNOW WHERE THEY'RE GETTING THESE NUMBERS FROM.
AND, YOU KNOW, I, I LOOK AT EVEN FOOD SERVERS AT $23,000 A YEAR.
I KNOW AN 18 YEAR OLD KID THAT MADE $40,000 RUNNING FOOD.
UM, AND, YOU KNOW, I LOOK AT COOKS FAST FOOD, AND, YOU KNOW, AND THEY'RE, THEY'RE ALWAYS ADVERTISING
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$15 AN HOUR.SO IT REALLY JUST BASED OFF WHAT I'VE SEEN, I HAVE, I'VE GOT A QUESTION, AND I'M NOT QUESTIONING YOU BY ANY MEANS, BUT WHERE THEY'RE GETTING THEIR INFORMATION FROM, WHETHER IT'S WHERE THEY'RE GETTING THEIR INFORMATION FROM, IT'S NOT ACCURATE IN MY OPINION.
THIS IS, UH, ONE REASON I DIDN'T PUT THIS IN THE
UM, I, I'M, AND I THINK THE APPLICANT WILL CAN, YEAH, I'M SURE SOME WILL MAKE YOU LINE, BUT TALK ABOUT TARGETS, BUT YOU, AND THAT'S WHY I RECOMMEND USING THE HUD PUBLISHED ANNUAL PUBLISHED A M I FOR BEAUFORT COUNTY.
'CAUSE I THINK IT GIVES YOU THE, THE LAUNCH POINT FOR ANY PROGRAM THAT YOU'RE GONNA PUT TOGETHER, UM, WHETHER IT'S THIS AMENDMENT OR THE OTHER PROGRAMS THAT WE MIGHT ADOPT, UM, IN ADDITION TO THOSE THAT WE'VE ALREADY ADOPTED.
MAYOR, IF I CAN ADD TO THAT, I'M LOOKING AT THE ONE FOR THE COUNTY AND STILL CERTAIN BARTENDERS A M I RANGE 60 TO 70%, BUT STILL WELL BELOW 130%.
ANY OTHER QUESTION ABOUT THIS TABLE THAT DIDN'T REALLY PROVIDE A LOT OF
AND WITHIN THAT, WHICH REQUIRES PUBLIC DOLLARS TO BE SPENT, THERE ARE, UM, HIGHEST, A M I IS 150%.
SO I'M NOT SURE, UM, WHERE THAT FITS IN NECESSARILY, BUT I THINK IT'S A GOOD PIECE OF INFORMATION.
ANY MORE QUESTIONS FOR ME AT THIS TIME OR DO YOU WANNA LET THE APPLICANT YEAH, ABSOLUTELY.
LET THE APPLICANT GO AHEAD AND SPEAK BEFORE WE MAKE OUR MOTION? YEAH, WHILE YOU SLIDE, CAN I ASK QUESTION ON THE, ON THE TABLE AHEAD OF YEAH.
THAT YOU HAVE UNTIL WE GET IT, I'D LIKE YOU GO BACK TO THE ANALYSIS ONE.
THAT ONE, OR MR. MAYOR, CAN I ASK A QUESTION BEFORE WE GO TO OUR PRESENTATION ABOUT HIS, WELL, ONCE Y'ALL GET UP HERE, Y'ALL CAN Y'ALL, BUT I WANT TO REFER TO HIS MM-HMM.
AFTERNOON, MR. MAYOR, MEMBERS OF COUNCIL MARK, THANKS FOR HAVING US BACK TODAY.
I'M REPRESENTING THE APPLICANT, UM, ON THIS TEXT AMENDMENT.
AND BEFORE I GET INTO OUR PRESENTATION, I JUST WANNA ACKNOWLEDGE THAT, YOU KNOW, WE DID PIVOT FROM WHAT COUNCIL HAD RECOMMENDED LAST MONTH, AND IT WAS, IT WAS NOT THAT WE WERE IGNORING YOUR, YOUR RECOMMENDATION, IT WAS JUST, WE'RE WE'RE EXCITED ABOUT PUTTING FORWARD A VIABLE, UH, OPPORTUNITY FOR PEOPLE WHO WANT TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF, OF THESE, UM, THIS, THIS USE TO PROVIDE.
UM, SOME, I THINK WELL PLANNED OUT, WELL THOUGHT OUT, UM, AFFORDABLE, UM, ESSENTIAL WORKER HOUSING FOR THE ISLAND, ESPECIALLY, UM, WITHIN THE, UH, SEA PINE CIRCLE DISTRICT, UM, HERE.
SO, UM, WITH THAT SAID, UM, I'M GONNA GET STARTED HERE.
UM, IT'S BEEN NOTED PUBLICLY THAT WE'VE BEEN NEGOTIATION, NEGOTIATING ON THIS LAND USE CONDITIONS FOR MORE THAN, OR CLOSE TO TWO YEARS NOW.
UM, I'M CONFIDENT THAT OVER THAT TIME WE'VE ARRIVED AT A SOLUTION THAT WILL HELP SOLVE OUR HOUSING CRISIS ON HILTON HEAD.
UM, TODAY IS YOUR OPPORTUNITY, UM, TO PROVIDE THE PRIVATE SECTOR THAT OPPORTUNITY.
UM, IT SHOULD BE NOTED THAT YOUR DECISION SHOULD BE BASED ON COMPARISON BETWEEN THE TEXT AMENDMENT AND THE CURRENT L M O LANGUAGE IN THE SEA PINE CIRCLE DISTRICT, NOT WITH EXISTING CONDITIONS ON THE PROPERTY.
UM, WE BELIEVE THAT PROPO, THE PROPOSED ISLANDER MIXED USE WHAT I CALL THE I M U, AND
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I THINK THAT'S WHAT, UH, SEAN HAD REFERRED TO IT AS WELL, IS AN IMPROVEMENT TO THE CURRENT BUYRIGHT LAND USES IN TERMS OF DESIGN STANDARDS, OCCUPANT DENSITY, UH, TRAFFIC IMPACT, AND ADDRESSING, UH, LABOR SHORTAGES, UH, FOR THE LO LOCAL EMPLOYERS.UM, THIS SLIDE, UH, SUM SUMMARIZES THE NEW DESIGN FEATURES THAT DON'T EXIST IN THE CURRENT L M O, SUCH AS THE MINIMUM UNIT SIZES.
UM, NO SHORT TERM RENTALS, UH, SITE COVERAGE RATIOS AND BENEFIT TO THE U SS C B.
ALL THE NEW STANDARDS WILL HELP TO PRESERVE THE NATURAL ENVIRONMENT AND THE MATURE LANDSCAPE IN OUR COMMUNITY.
UM, LET'S GO BACK, I THINK HERE YOU'LL NOTE THAT THERE'S A, THERE'S A SIGNIFICANT SET OF CONDITIONS THAT THE I M U USEFUL HAVE TO ADHERE TO.
UM, SLIDE FOUR WAS RELATED TO DENSITY.
UM, THERE'S, THERE'S DEFINITELY BEEN A CONCERN ABOUT THE DENSITY ON THIS.
UM, UNDER THIS, UM, I M U, UM, IN THE AUGUST 10TH AMENDMENT, THE APPLICANTS AGREED TO A MAXIMUM BEFORE BEDROOMS PER UNIT, AND WE'RE STILL AGREEING TO THAT.
UM, GIVEN THE DESIGN STANDARDS AND PARKING REQUIREMENTS, THE TEXT AMENDMENT WILL ACTUALLY REDUCE OCCUPANTS PER UNIT COMPARED WITH WHAT'S PERMISSIBLE BY, RIGHT? I BELIEVE SEAN SHOWED A SLIDE THAT ILLUSTRATED THAT.
UM, THE TABLE HERE SHOWS THAT BY, RIGHT, THE DEVELOPER COULD HOUSE MORE TENANTS AND DORMITORY STYLE UNITS WILL COMPETE FOR PUBLIC SERVICES AND ROADS AND OTHER INFRASTRUCTURE.
INSTEAD, HE'S CHOOSING TO BUILD ONE TO THREE BEDROOM APARTMENTS TO MEET THE LOCAL EMPLOYER'S DESIRE FOR MORE FAMILY FRIENDLY LONG-TERM LIVING ENVIRONMENT FOR THEIR EMPLOYEES.
AND THIS GOES BACK TWO YEARS AGO WHEN HE PETITIONED SEVERAL OF THESE LOCAL EMPLOYERS AND THEY SAY, DO NOT DO THE DORMITORY STYLE GO WITH THE ONE TO THREE BEDROOM, UH, OPTION.
AND THEY'VE DONE, AND, AND WE'VE DONE THAT.
UM, THIS SLIDE, UH, PRESENTS A CRITICAL PIECE OF INFORMATION FOR COUNCIL AND THE PUBLIC.
UM, SOME OF THE RESIDENTS ARE SUPPORTIVE OF, OF THE, THE OFFICE WAY PROJECT, BUT ARE CONCERNED ABOUT POTENTIAL IMPLICATIONS ON THE ADJACENT PARCELS.
UNDER THE I M U, FIRST OF ALL, THE STAFF'S REPORT COUNTED UP TO 23 PARCELS THAT WOULD BE IMPACTED, AND SEAN DID MENTION THAT IT DOES INCLUDE, UM, THE, THE PARCELS THAT ARE PART OF THE OFFICE WAY PROJECT, WHICH IS AT 4.38 ACRES.
AND THOSE, THOSE ARE FIVE PARCELS THERE.
UM, THERE'S ALSO TWO PARCELS HERE.
THESE, THIS IS PART OF A RIGHT OF WAY AND SOME OPEN SPACE THAT'S OWNED BY THE TOWN, AND THAT THAT INCLUDES TWO OF THOSE 23 PARCELS.
UM, AND THEN THERE'S THREE THAT ARE PART OF THE TD BANK ACROSS THE ROAD HERE.
IT ACTUALLY SITS ON THREE SEPARATE PARCELS, AND IF THAT WERE EVER TO DEVELOP, IT WOULD MORE THAN LIKELY GET CONSOLIDATED INTO ONE PARCEL.
UM, A FEW OF THE REMAINING 14 PARCELS HAVE COMPARABLE SIZE, SUCH AS HARRIS TEETER GAS STATION SITE, WHICH IS A SMALL PIECE HERE, UH, THE CHRONIC GO GOLF, WHICH IS LIKE 0.89 ACRES, WHICH IS OVER HERE.
THIS PIECE, UM, THE HILTON HEAD VISITOR CENTER, WHICH IS 1.08 ACRES, THE BULLOCK PARCEL, WHICH IS 0.84 ACRES, AND THE SEVEN OFFICE WAY PARCEL, WHICH IS ONE POINT, UH, ONE ACRES, AND YOU'LL FIND THEY'LL FIND IT DIFFICULT TO MEET THE I M U DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS WITHOUT PARTNERING WITH U S C B.
EVEN IF, IF THEY COULD BE REDEVELOPED, THEY WOULD BE SUBJECT TO THE BETTER DESIGN STANDARDS AND MAXIMUM BEDROOM COUNT UNDER THE I M U.
UM, AND HERE'S SOME JUST BACK BACKUP DATA, UM, PARCEL DATA FROM THE BUFORT COUNTY TAX MAPS THAT, UH, FOR THE, FOR EACH OF THESE PARCELS, AND AS I NOTED, THERE'S THREE PARCELS THAT COMPROMISE TD BANK.
SO WHEN YOU, IF YOU WERE TO COMBINE THOSE INTO ONE, IT GETS US DOWN, YOU'D TRACK TWO FROM HERE AND IT GETS YOU DOWN TO 16 TOTAL PARCELS.
AND THEN THE BLUE REPRESENTS THOSE WITHIN THE OFFICE.
WEIGHT TRACKED, THERE IS A TINY 0.01 ACRE AS PART OF THE SEA PINES PUBLIC SERVICE DISTRICT.
THERE'S A LITTLE PUMP STATION ON SITE, AND THEN THE OTHER TWO, UH, UM, PARCELS OWNED BY THE, THE TOWN.
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UM, TRAFFIC SEEMS TO BE ONE OF THE MAJOR ISSUES FOR SOME SEA PINES RESIDENTS.UM, IN THE MINUTE MEMO DATED AUGUST 15TH, 2023, TASK STAFF COMPARED DENSITY AND TRAFFIC BETWEEN EXISTING DEVELOPMENTS AND THE I M U AS MENTIONED EARLIER, A FEW OF THE 14 ADJACENT PARCELS COULD BE REDEVELOPED UNDER THE I M U BECAUSE OF PARKING REQUIREMENTS AND NEW DESIGN STANDARDS.
THE FEW COMPARABLE PARCELS INCLUDE LESS TRAFFIC UNDER I M U THAN EXISTING DEVELOPMENTS BY TOWN STAFF'S OWN ESTIMATES.
AS DEMONSTRATED IN THE TABLE HERE, THE REDUCTION OF STAFF OF, OF TRAFFIC FOR RALLIES WOULD BE FROM 2,814 TRIPS PER DAY AS OF TODAY TO SIX TO 971 UNDER THE I M U FOR HARRIS TEETER.
THE REDUCTION IS MORE SIGNIFICANT FOR 7,491 TRIPS PER DAY TO 1,929.
BY THE WAY, HARRIS TEETER, AND WE'VE MEASURED IT A FEW TIMES, THEIR PARCEL IS NOT WITHIN 500 FEET, IT'S JUST BEYOND IT, UM, FROM THE U S C B PROPERTY LINE.
SO WE WOULD NOT, WE DON'T THINK IT WOULD BE CAPTURED WITHIN THAT, UM, THAT 500 FOOT RADIUS.
UM, ADDITIONALLY, 32 OFFICE WAY IS HIGHER UNDER THE I IS HIGHER UNDER I I M U, BUT THE BUILDINGS ARE NOT FULLY UTILIZED CURRENTLY, AND THAT'S WHY IT'S GOT A LOWER NUMBER.
UM, THE OFFICE WAY PROJECT AND THE PARCELS WITHIN THE PROPOSED NEW USE ARE ALL LO LOCATED TO THE EAST SIDE, UH, OF GREENWOOD DRIVE.
I CALL IT THE OCEAN SIDE OF GREENWOOD DRIVE.
UM, AND JUST SOUTH OF THE SEA PINE CIRCLE, UM, WE'D HIGHLIGHT THAT THE I M U WILL LESSEN TRAFFIC IMPACT COMPARED WITH THE BUYRIGHT FOR THE FOLLOWING REASONS.
UM, I M U REDUCES OCCUPANT COUNT USER INTENSITY AND ALLEVIATES UNDER PARKED WITH THE SHARED PARKING AGREEMENT.
AND THAT'S WHAT THE CAMPUS, UM, THERE'LL BE 64 STUDENTS THAT DON'T HAVE TO DRIVE FROM BLUFFTON AND SOME RESIDENTS CAN WALK OR BIKE TO WORK WITHOUT USING THE SEA PINE CIRCLE.
'CAUSE A LOT OF THESE WORKERS WILL BE WORKING ON THE OCEAN SIDE OF THE GREENWOOD DRIVE.
UM, THE OFFICE WAY PROJECT RESIDENTS CAN ENTER VIA OFFICE WAY OR OFFICE PARK ROAD, UM, AND AVOID GREENWOOD DRIVE ENTIRELY.
UM, IN COMPARISON, BUYRIGHT USES SUCH AS RETAIL, MEDICAL, AND OTHER PROFESSIONAL SERVICE WITHDRAW CUSTOMERS FROM WEST AND NORTH, INCREASING TRAFFIC THROUGH THE CIRCLE AND PALMETTO BAY ROAD, AND OF COURSE, WILLIAM HILTON PARKWAY.
ALTHOUGH NO TRAFFIC STUDIES ARE REQUIRED FOR MIXED USE BY RIGHT, SUCH AS THE NEW APARTMENT BUILDINGS, UM, NEARBY A TRAFFIC STUDY WAS SUBMITTED TO THE TOWN, UM, THAT INDICATES NEGLIGIBLE IMPACTS FROM THE OFFICE WAY PROJECT.
THERE'S AN INCREASE OF 2.9 SECONDS TO THE A E M PEAK HOUR AND A 4.6 SECONDS TO THE PM PEAK HOUR.
AND WE'VE GOT A TRAFFIC CONSULTANT HERE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR HIM LATER.
UM, TRAFFIC AROUND SEA PINE CIRCLE HAS BEEN PERSIST.
UM, THE TABLE HERE SUMMARIZES TRAFFIC COUNT BY THE TOWN ENGINEERING STAFF FROM 2005 TO 2022.
SOME YEARS ARE WORSE THAN OTHERS, AND TODAY IS NOT WORSE THAN HISTORICAL MEANS.
UH, RESIDENTS NEED TO UNDERSTAND THAT THE ROADWAYS AROUND C PINE CIRCLE BELONG TO THE STATE.
SO TO SOLVE THIS, UM, WOULD REQUIRE COORDINATED EFFORTS WITH SS E D O T, BEAUFORT COUNTY, UH, THE TOWN OF HILTON HEAD AND THE SEA PINES COMMUNITY.
UM, AS SENATOR DAVIS HAS STATED PREVIOUSLY, UM, THERE ARE THREE ONGOING EFFORTS IN THIS REGARD, ALL OF WHICH BE COMPLETED BY THE END OF 2023.
HE'S WORKING WITH THE TOWN, THE COUNTY, AND THE S E D O T TO ENSURE THESE EFFORTS PROVIDE A CLEAR ASSESSMENT OF HOW TO IMPROVE THE TRAFFIC SITUATION.
AND WITH OTHER MEMBERS OF THE LEGISLATIVE DELEGATION OF SECURE FUNDING FOR THE IMPROVEMENTS, THE SEA PINES COMMUNITY HAS HIS COMMITMENT THAT HE'S GIVEN THE SITUATION, THE URGENCY AT MERITS.
UM, THE NEXT TWO FEW SLIDES, AND I'M GONNA GET INTO SOME OF THESE NUMBERS, UM, I'VE ALWAYS TRIED TO AVOID, AVOID GETTING INTO THE MINUTIA OF NUMBERS.
I WAS TOLD BY A PROFESSOR ONCE, THAT NUMBERS NEVER LIE, BUT LIARS USE NUMBERS.
SO I, I DON'T LIKE TO GET INTO THESE NUMBERS, BUT
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WE'RE GONNA TALK A M I AND, UM, INCOMES.UM, SO FOR THE NEXT THREE SLIDES HERE, UM, SO THE ROOT CAUSE OF THE TWO YEAR LONG NEGOTIATIONS WITH THE TOWN GOVERNMENT AND THE UNDERLINING DATA TO SUPPORT THE ISLANDER MISS MIXED USE TEXT AMENDMENT AS LAST PROPOSED BY THE APPLICANT ON AUGUST 10TH, 2023.
AS YOU CAN SEE HERE, BASED ON THE 2021 US CENSUS AMERICAN COMMUNITY SURVEY DATA, AND I BELIEVE MRS. BECKER MENTIONED THAT EARLIER, THE MEDIAN TWO PERSON FAMILY INCOME FOR BEAUFORT COUNTY IN 2020 $3 IS 115,000.
THE A M I FOR HILTON HEAD IS $125,700.
SO YOU CAN SEE THAT SIGNIFICANT JUMP, UM, TO THE HILTON HEAD DOLLARS, REAL DOLLARS FOR HILTON HEAD AND NOT JUST THE COUNTY, WHICH, WHICH IS, WHICH IS LOWER.
UM, THE HIGH COST OF LIVING IS A HISTORICAL AND STRUCTURAL ISSUE FOR HILTON HEAD 'CAUSE THE ISLANDS HAS DEVELOPED AS A LOW DENSITY RESORT TOWN.
FOR WEALTHIER RETI RETIREES, GROCERIES AND HEALTHCARE ARE 45% HIGHER THAN THE NATIONAL AVERAGE, AND THE COST OF HOUSING IS MORE THAN THREE TIMES THE STATE AVERAGE.
AS OF JUNE, THE AVERAGE PRICE FOR SINGLE FAMILY HOMES SOLD ON HILTON HEAD ISLAND IS $1.1 MILLION.
THE AVERAGE PRICE FOR ALL HOMES SOLD, SINGLE FAMILY AND MULTIFAMILY IS $710,000, AND THE AVERAGE RENTAL IS $3,450 PER MONTH.
IF YOU DO A QUICK CALCULATIONS, IT REVEALS, UM, TO FINANCE A $710,000 HOME.
ONE NEEDS AN INCOME OF ROUGHLY $173,000 TO NOT BE HOUSEHOLD HOUSE BURDENED.
UM, AND THAT'S HOUSE PAYMENT BURDEN.
UM, ROUGHLY 29% OF DOUBLE INCOME EARNERS SUCH AS HEALTHCARE WORKERS AND YOUNG PROFESSIONALS MAKE TOO LITTLE TO AFFORD A HOUSE ON HILTON HEAD, BUT MAKE TOO MUCH TO QUALIFY FOR WORKFORCE HOUSING.
THIS FACT MIGHT HAVE BEEN ONE OF THE REASONS THAT THE AT TAX BILL, UM, THE STATE ALLOWS A RANGE OF WORKFORCE HOUSING TO GO UP TO A TO A HUNDRED PERCENT OF THE COUNTY.
UH, THE COUNTY A M I, UM, HILTON HEAD NEEDS MULTIPLE HOUSING OPTIONS TO ADDRESS THE DIVERSE, UM, GROUP OF INCOME LEVELS.
THE CONDITIONS PROPOSED BY TOWN COUNCIL ON BACK ON IN JULY, UM, LIMITING ELIGIBILITY TO 60 TO 90% OF THE A A M I WOULD ONLY BENEFIT A VERY SMALL PERCENTAGE OF THE WORKFORCE.
UM, THE PREVIOUS TABLE SHOWED US THAT 63% OF WORKERS ON THE ISLAND MAKE LESS THAN 60% OF THE A M I AND THEY WON'T EVEN BE, THEY WON'T BE QUALIFIED FOR WORKFORCE HOUSING.
HE'S, HE'S, THAT'S THIS NUMBER A YEAR, 63% SINCE NOT EVERY ONE OF THEM WANTS TO LIVE ON HILTON HEAD.
THE COMMUNITY WILL BE BETTER SERVED, UM, THROUGH TRANSPORTATION SOLUTIONS.
THESE WOULD BE OFF, OFF, OFF ISLAND EMPLOYEES.
UM, THE ISLANDER MIXED USE TARGETS THE 29% DEMOGRAPHIC.
UM, AND THIS IS THAT DEMOGRAPHIC THAT'S KIND OF BETWEEN A ROCK AND A HARD PLACE.
UM, AND I THINK THE TEXT AMENDMENT SERVES PUBLIC INTEREST BECAUSE ONE, IT PROVIDES LOCAL BUSINESSES HOUSING OPTIONS FOR ESSENTIAL WORKERS TO, TO SUPPORT THE LOCAL ECONOMY.
YOU HAVE RECEIVED LOIS FROM SOME OF THE MAJOR LOCAL EMPLOYERS WHO ARE READY TO SIGN ON LONG-TERM LEASES WITH THE PROJECT.
IT ALLOWS THE LOCAL HOSPITAL TO RECRUIT AND RETAIN DOCTORS AND NURSES.
YOU'VE RECEIVED A LETTER OF SUPPORT FROM THE OFFICE WAY PROJECT AND RELATED TEXT AMENDMENT FROM THE HILTON HEAD HOSPITAL, C E O.
UM, IT'LL SUPPORT U SS C B ENROLLMENT BY PROVIDING STUDENT HOUSING.
YOU'VE HEARD MULTIPLE TESTIMONIES FROM THE UNIVERSITY CHANCELLOR AND STAFF.
UM, IT'LL IMPROVE DESIGN AND DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS FOR THE INE CIRCLE DISTRICT BEYOND WHAT'S CURRENTLY BY WRIGHT.
UM, IT REDEVELOPS DILAPIDATED OFFICE BUILDINGS IT OFFICE.
IT OFFERS FUTURE BUSINESS OPPORTUNITIES FOR LOCAL RESIDENTS.
THESE ARE THE REASONS MANY RESIDENTS COME HERE TODAY TO SUPPORT THE OFFICE WAY PROJECT.
I HOPE THE TOWN COUNCIL WOULD LISTEN TO THE LOCAL EMPLOYERS, UM, HILTON
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HEAD HOSPITAL AND THE UNIVERSITY.THEY'RE ALL PART OF THE COMMUNITY.
UM, WE ENJOY, I'M CITING HERE, UM, FOUR EXAMPLES, UM, TO DEMONSTRATE THE REALITY THAT WE ARE FACING.
UM, CASE ONE, UH, THE HILTON HEAD REGIONAL HEALTHCARE.
THE HOSPITAL IS FA FACING TREMENDOUS CHALLENGES TO ATTRACT AND RETAIN, UM, MISSION CRITICAL NURSES.
EMERGENCY A AND DOCTORS DO IN PART TO THE HIGH COST OF LIVING ON HILTON HEAD.
THEY'RE RELYING ON THE PRIVATE SECTOR TO PROVIDE DORM STYLE SHORT-TERM RENTALS FOR TRAVELING NURSES AND SEASONAL STAFF AS TEMPORARY SOLUTION.
WHAT THEY NEED IS LONG-TERM FAMILY FRIENDLY HOUSING THAT MEETS THE NEEDS OF THEIR EMPLOYEES.
UM, TOWN COUNCIL SHOULD HAVE RECEIVED A LETTER OF SUPPORT.
UM, AND I BELIEVE, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER BECKER READ THAT AT THE BEGINNING OF THE MEETING.
UM, CASE TWO, UM, HILTON HEAD TOWN GOVERNMENT.
UM, IN THE HILTON HEAD MAGAZINE AUGUST EDITION, UH, THERE WAS A TOWN STAFF MEMBER WAS QUOTED ABOUT THE CHALLENGE OF FILLING THE WORKFORCE HOUSING MANAGER POSITION WITH A SALARY OF UP TO $128,000.
AND IT WAS DUE IN PART TO THE HOUSING COSTS ON HILTON HEAD.
UM, HILTON HAD PLANTATION AS LOOKING TO HIRE 50 PLUS WORKERS.
AROUND 40 OF THEM WILL BE PAID BETWEEN 35 AND $40,000.
THE TOWN DEFINED WORKFORCE HOUSING FRAMEWORK WON'T HELP THE LOW INCOME WAGE WORKERS.
TRANSPORTATION WOULD BE THE SOLUTION HERE.
AND FINALLY, CASE FOUR, UM, THE SURGE GROUP AND OTHER HOSPITALITY PROVIDERS.
YOU'VE HEARD FROM THEIR TESTIMONIES IN MANY TOWN COUNCIL AND PLANNING COMMISSION MEETINGS.
SO I'M NOT GONNA REALLY GO INTO THOSE IN DETAIL.
UM, I'D LIKE TO CONCLUDE, UM, MAINLY BY ASKING THAT COUNCIL MEMBERS APPROVE OUR TEXT AMENDMENT.
UM, THE TOWN HAS BEEN WORKING TO SOLVE HOUSING FOR WORKERS FOR MANY YEARS.
UM, SO FAR THERE'S BEEN THREE MODELS.
ONE IS THE NORTH POINT PRIVATE PUBLIC PARTNERSHIP, WHICH IS YEARS AND IN THE MAKING.
UM, THE SECOND IS HABITAT FOR HUMANITY, AND THE THIRD IS DORM DORMITORY STYLE HOUSING.
THE FIRST TWO REQUIRE PUBLIC FUNDING, AND THE THIRD ONE INCREASES DENSITY OF OCCUPANTS AND SHORT TERM RENTALS.
ONLY THE OFFICE WAY PROJECT AND RELATED TAX AMENDMENT OFFERS AN INNOVATED SOLUTION TO SUPPLEMENT THE EXISTING HOUSING SOLUTION.
IT'S A SHOVEL-READY PROJECT REQUIRING ZERO TAXPAYER FUNDING.
LET'S PUT THINGS INTO PER PERSPECTIVE.
THE REQUEST TO INCREASE THE PERCENTAGE OF RES RESTRICTED UNITS FROM 15 TO 20% EQUALS JUST SIX UNITS.
UH, WHICH WON'T MAKE A DENT IN THE HOUSING NEEDS OF SERVICE WORKERS.
UM, INCREASING THE A M I FROM 130 TO 90% A M I WON'T HELP MANY SERVICE WORKERS IS DEMONSTRATED IN SLIDE 11.
BUT IT WILL RENDER THE PROJECT UN FINANCEABLE BY ANY PRIVATE DEVELOPERS.
IT'LL BE HARD TO GET FINANCING AT 90%.
UM, AND MOST IMPORTANTLY, THE ISLANDER MIXED USE FILLS THE NEED FOR THE COMMUNITY IMMEDIATELY.
IT'S NOT GONNA BE A STUDY THAT SITS ON A SHELF FOR 20 YEARS.
UM, IT'S SOMETHING THAT CAN HAPPEN IMMEDIATELY.
UM, I THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
UM, BEFORE I STEP AWAY, I WANT TO, THERE'S A BRIEF VIDEO WE'D LIKE TO SHARE.
UM, ANGIE AND TODD HUTCHINS PUT THIS TOGETHER WITH THE HUTCHINS REAL ESTATE TEAM AND WE'D JUST LIKE TO, JUST ME AND JERRY.
THANK ACTUALLY, SINCE THE INCEPTION OF THIS CAMPUS, WE HAVE KNOWN AND UNDERSTOOD THE NEED FOR HOUSING IN ORDER TO ACCELERATE THE GROWTH OF THIS CAMPUS WITH STUDENTS WHO CAN LIVE HERE.
LMO TEXT AMENDMENT HAS REALLY COME TO LIFE AND WE'VE SEEN IT MOLDED FOR THE AREAS AROUND THE SEA PINES COMMERCIAL DISTRICT WHERE IT CAN REALLY SERVE A WALKING AND A DRIVING AND A BIKING RESIDENT, POPULATION OF WORKFORCE THAT CAN GET TO THE IMPORTANT THINGS THAT MATTER TO HERE'S A SOLUTION TO PROVIDE HOUSING FOR BOTH EMPLOYEES AS WELL AS FOR STUDENTS THAT'S INSIDE THE CIRCLE.
WE'VE SEEN OUR EMPLOYEE HOUSING SLOWLY FADE AWAY INTO SHORT-TERM HOUSING RENTALS AND
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FULL-TIME RESIDENTS HAVE RETIRED AND IT'S TAKEN AWAY THAT BASE OF EMPLOYEE AND THAT OPPORTUNITY TO KEEP THEM INTO THE COMMUNITY WHERE THEY WORK AND LIVE.IT IS VERY IMPORTANT SO THAT WAY EVERYONE THAT IS EMPLOYED ON THE ISLAND CAN GET TO WORK ON TIME.
THE OFFICE WAY PROJECT IS SOMETHING THAT I THINK WE DESPERATELY NEED FOR OUR STUDENTS.
I'VE BEEN HERE FOR SEVEN YEARS NOW, AND FOR SEVEN YEARS I'VE SEEN AN OFFICE BUILDING JUST KIND OF DETERIORATE.
I THINK OUR SOCIETY'S MOVING MORE TOWARDS A SUSTAINABLE SOCIETY, KIND OF REUSING AREAS AND JUST LETTING SOMETHING GO TO WASTE.
I, I DON'T SEE THE POINT IN THAT I'M WORRIED THAT THIS WON'T HAPPEN AND WE'LL LOSE OUT ON THE OPPORTUNITY.
MY BIGGEST CONCERN OVERALL IS THAT IF SOMETHING ISN'T DONE SOON, THAT, UH, WE JUST WON'T HAVE PLACES FOR PEOPLE TO LIVE.
WE, WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF LOCAL PEOPLE THAT CAN FILL THE JOB 'CAUSE IT'S A SPECIALIZED AREA AND THEY HAVE TO LIVE UP THE NATIONAL STANDARDS TO BE ABLE TO BE A LIFEGUARD ON THE BEACH HERE.
IF WE DON'T HAVE HOUSING FOR 'EM, UH, THEY JUST WON'T BE ABLE TO TAKE THE JOB.
BUT THIS WOULD BE A, A REAL LIFE GAME CHANGER.
I THINK ONCE THEY BECOME PART OF THE FABRIC OF THE COMMUNITY THAT INVITES THEM TO STAY.
AND THAT MEANS WE HAVE A LONG-TERM SOLUTION FOR, UH, EMPLOYEE AND FUTURE LEADERS FOR OUR INDUSTRY.
WE EXPLORED MANY OPTIONS IN THE PAST AND NONE OF 'EM WOULD MEET OUR NEED.
THE WAY THAT THIS PARTICULAR OPTION'S GOING TO, IT'S CRITICAL.
OUR STUDENTS WANNA LIVE HERE, THEY WORK HERE, THEY PLAY HERE, THEY WANNA LIVE HERE.
WE STAND BY THE COMMUNITY AND I'M HOPING THAT THE COMMUNITY STANDS BY US VOTE YES FOR THE TEXT AMENDMENT, FOR THE OFFICE WAY PROJECT.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER COMMENTS FROM THE APPLICANT? AARON? SORRY, IF I COULD ASK MR. TILLER A QUESTION.
YES, I, SORRY, CAN YOU, CAN WE GO BACK TO HIS SLIDE PRESENTATION? AND I APOLOGIZE, I DIDN'T CATCH WHICH NUMBER, BUT YOU HAD TWO PIE CHARTS KIND OF HALFWAY OR A LITTLE MORE THAN HALFWAY THROUGH.
I DON'T KNOW THE PAGE NUMBER, BUT, OH,
SO YOU'RE USING THE RANGE 60 TO 90% CORRECT? WITH THIS PIE CHART? THIS IS, THIS REPRESENTS THE 69? YES.
AND SO THAT'S THE TOTAL NUMBER OF WORKERS ON THAT, RIGHT? BUT YOU DON'T HAVE PIE CHART SHOWING ZERO TO 90%, IS THAT CORRECT? CORRECT.
I MEAN, THAT WOULD BE THESE TWO COMBINED THAT'S, I'M SORRY, WHICH TWO COMBINED? OH, 71% WOULD BE IN THE UP TO 90% RANGE, CORRECT? I'M MISUNDERSTANDING.
WAIT, YEAH, SO IF I, IF I WANNA FIND OUT HOW MANY ARE ENDING UP TO 90%, THEN I COMBINE THE ORANGE AND THE GREEN, WHICH IS 71%.
THIS REPRESENTS ANYBODY UNDER 69, MAKING THAT 69.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR JOSHUA? HE IS UP HERE.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS FROM THE APPLICANT? HEY, UH, SO DYLAN TURNER, THE TRAFFIC ENGINEER ON THE PROJECT, AND I'M WITH KIMLEY HORNE.
UM, SO WE DID THIS TRAFFIC STUDY AND IT'S BEEN SUBMITTED OVER TO THE TOWN ACCORDING TO WITH WITH S E D O T.
IT ACTUALLY FALLS JUST OUTSIDE THE RIGHT OF WAY.
SO THEY GAVE US AN EMAIL SAYING THEY DIDN'T NEED TO REVIEW IT.
ONE OF THE THINGS I JUST WANTED TO COMMENT ON WITH THE TRIP GEN, UM, OF 14, UH, 27, SO 1,427 VEHICLES THAT ASSUMED NOBODY'S WALKING ACROSS THE STREET TO GO TO U S C BUFORT.
THAT IS EVERYBODY GOT IN THEIR CAR, LEFT THE APARTMENT COMPLEX AND WENT OVER TO U S C BUFORT ON THE EXTERNAL ROADS.
SO THOSE ARE PRETTY CONSERVATIVE ES ESTIMATES AND THAT'S WHAT WE WANTED TO DO WITH THIS STUDY WAS TO BE CONSERVATIVE TO SHOW KIND OF A WORST CASE SCENARIO OF IF EVERYBODY LEAVES HERE AND GOES OFF.
SO NO WALKING, BIKING, AND THERE'S AWESOME TRAILS, EVERYTHING.
THERE'S THE TROLLEY SERVICE WE TALKED ABOUT EVERYWHERE AND WE HAVE THE RESTAURANTS NEARBY.
THE PEOPLE COULD WALK TO WORK THAT WAS NOT CONSIDERED IN THE TRAFFIC STUDY.
WE ASSUME THEY GOT IN THEIR CAR, WENT ON, UM, POPE AVENUE
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OR UH, ANYWHERE AROUND THE ISLAND, UM, IN OUR STUDY AREA.SO THE STUDIES ARE REALLY CONSERVATIVE IN THAT SENSE.
ANY QUESTIONS? ALRIGHT, THANK YOU.
NO SPECIFIC QUESTIONS BUT ADDED TO THAT LIST OF UM, WHAT MAKES THAT NUMBER MORE CONSERVATIVE IS IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT A NUMBER OF THE EMPLOYERS ACTUALLY HAVE SHUTTLES THAT THEY RUN CURRENTLY OFF ISLAND EVEN TO GET EMPLOYEES ONTO THE ISLAND.
AND IF THEY WERE ABLE TO CONTINUE TO UTILIZE THEM BUT HAVE THEIR EMPLOYEES ON THE ISLAND, UM, THAT WOULD FURTHER REDUCE ANY TRAFFIC ISSUE THAT MIGHT EXIST, UM, OR CONCERN THAT FOLKS MIGHT HAVE.
ALRIGHT, THANK YOU'ALL AND OTHER COMMENTS FROM THE APPLICANT BEFORE THE APPLICANT.
IS THAT A YES OR A NO? NO, THE NEXT SLIDE.
YEAH, THERE WAS AN ANALYSIS SLIDE THERE.
ANOTHER ONE TALKING ABOUT DENSITY, THE ONE THAT YOU TALKED ABOUT.
FIRST OFF, EVERYBODY, SEAN'S DONE A TREMENDOUS JOB.
HE'S WORKED HARD FOR THE LAST TWO YEARS.
THIS, THIS PAGE HERE, THE WHOLE BASIS OF, AND ALAN WOLF USE THIS ANALOGY, IF YOU HAVE A PIZZA THAT'S 12 INCHES, ALLS WE'RE DOING IS SLICING THE PIZZA.
AND WE'RE GETTING CONFUSED HERE WHEN IT LOOKS LIKE YOU CAN INCREASE DENSITY, BUT IT'S LESS PEOPLE.
ALL WE'VE SIMPLY DONE INSTEAD OF HAVING EIGHT AND 12 OR HOW MANY PEOPLE DORMITORY STYLE UNITS WE'RE NOW STUDIOS, TWOS, THREES, AND FOURS.
SO THAT SLIDE TO ME IS MISLEADING.
MISLEADING 'CAUSE IT DOESN'T REFLECT ONCE AGAIN LESS PEOPLE.
AND I WANTED TO CLEARLY MAKE THAT POINT.
AND THERE'S THREE OTHER POINTS I'D LIKE TO MAKE.
WE'VE AGREED, AND MR. RAINS THIS, THE FIRST THING YOU SAID TO ME IS NO SHORT-TERM RENTALS.
SO IF YOU ADHERE OR IF YOU APPLY FOR THIS ISLANDER HOUSING, IT'S NO SHORT-TERM RENTALS.
AND ALSO IF YOU HAVE, THEIR SETBACKS HAVE TO BE A MINIMUM OF 30 FEET.
SO THIS TAX AMENDMENT IS ACTUALLY MORE RESTRICTIVE THAN WHAT'S CURRENTLY ALLOWED.
AND I DON'T, PLEASE DON'T LOSE LIGHT OF THE FACT.
AND MR. STAFFER, I WANT TO, UH, ADDRESS THE SITUATION.
AND I KNOW YOU KNOW THIS, AND THANK YOU FOR MEETING WITH ME ALL THE TIMES.
UM, WE ARE CREATING STUDENT HOUSING AND THE PUBLIC'S NOT PAYING FOR THAT.
AND IN RETURN, WE'RE GETTING PARKING SPOTS.
AND I DON'T, YOU KNOW, I'M ALSO LOSING ALL THE THINGS WE'RE DOING.
THAT'S OUR, OUR PUBLIC PARTICIPATION.
YOU AREN'T GIVING US ANY FUNDS.
I MEAN, IF YOU LOOK AT SENATOR DAVIS, HE SAID, YOU CAN'T ASK THE DEVELOPERS TO GET TIED TO PUBLIC AND 30 YEAR PROGRAMS IF WE'RE NOT GETTING TAX CREDIT OR ANY PUBLIC DOLLARS.
WE'RE, WE'VE ALL, EVERY SINGLE ONE OF YOU ALL HAVE TOLD ME THIS IS A CREATIVE IDEA AND THAT'S WHAT WE'VE DONE.
WE'VE THE PRIVATE SIDE HAS STEPPED UP BUT PARTNERED WITH THE PUBLIC SIDE WITHOUT ANY FUNDS INVOLVED.
SO PLEASE CONSIDER THAT WHEN YOU HEAR THESE PEOPLE.
AND ANOTHER THING, IT'S NOT ABOUT US, IT'S ABOUT THE PEOPLE BEHIND US AND THE PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT ARE IN FAVOR OF THIS.
AND WE'RE ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE CIRCLE.
MR. ALFORD, HE'S TRYING TO FIX IT.
BUT THIS LITTLE OLD PROJECT, IT'S NOT GOING TO MAKE OR BREAK THE CIRCLE.
AND MR. MAYOR, YOU RAN ON THIS.
LET'S TAKE DILAPIDATED AREAS AND REFURBISH THEM OR REPURPOSE THEM.
I'M NOT GOING AND OR WE'RE NOT GOING THERE AND TRYING AND DO A NEW DEVELOPMENT AND NOT TREAT.
IT'S ALREADY THERE AND IT'S DISGUSTING.
MR. AMES, YOU'RE IN ONE OF THE BUILDINGS AND GREAT TENANT, BUT I THINK YOU WOULD AGREE THIS NEEDS TO BE CLEANED UP.
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IF YOU SAY NO, YOU SAY NO TO THE STUDENTS AT U S C B AND YOU SAY NO TO THE SURGE GROUP, THE BEACH HOUSE, AND ALL THE OTHER WORKERS.AS A REMINDER, THE PUBLIC PLANNING COMMITTEE MET ON JUNE 8TH, 2023 AND VOTED FOR ZERO TO ADVANCE THE PROPOSED OUTLANDER MIXED USE, UM, LMO AND MR. TOWN COUNCIL FOR CONSIDERATION WITHOUT A RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL OR DENIAL.
THIS ITEM WAS BROUGHT BEFORE TOWN COUNCIL LAST MONTH IN JULY.
THE FOLLOWING MOTION WAS MADE TO INCLUDE SEVERAL AMENDMENTS.
SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE? I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION MAYOR.
UM, BEFORE I DO, UM, THERE ARE SOME DETAILS THAT I WANT TO ADD IN, BUT I THINK IT MIGHT BE A GOOD OPPORTUNITY TO ASK WHETHER OR NOT BETWEEN THE BEGINNING OF THIS SESSION AND WHERE WE ARE THIS MOMENT, IF THERE'S BEEN ANY, UM, OTHER MOVEMENT THAT THE APPLICANT MIGHT WANT TO OFFER US, I'LL ADDRESS THAT ON BEHALF OF EVERYBODY, WE WILL AGREE TO INSTEAD OF 15% OF THE UNITS TO GO UP TO 20% OF THE UNITS, WE'LL DROP THE A M I FROM ONE 30 TO ONE 20 AND WE'LL AGREE TO GO FROM 10, 10 YEARS TO 15 YEARS.
THAT'S WHAT WE'LL AGREE TO DO.
SO, UM, SO I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO INCORPORATE THE, UM, THE STATEMENTS THAT THE, UM, APPLICANT DEVELOPER HAS JUST, UM, GIVEN US.
AND I MOVE THAT THE TOWN COUNCIL ADOPT PROPOSED ORDINANCE 2307 TO APPROVE AMENDMENTS TO SECTION OF THE LAND MANAGEMENT ORDINANCE TO CREATE A NEW USE CALLED ISLANDER MIXED USE WITHIN THE SEA PINE CIRCLE.
UM, WITH 20% GOING TO THE, UM, WORKFORCE APPLICATION, UH, 120 60 TO 120% A A M I FOR 15 YEARS, FOUR BEDROOMS PER DWELLING UNIT.
AND, UM, I THINK I CAPTURED IT ALL.
IF I DIDN'T, PLEASE LET ME KNOW.
WELL, UM, I'M GONNA HAVE MORE TO SAY SOMEONE RESERVE MY TIME, BUT I APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT OUR APPLICANT HAS COME BEFORE US NOW FOR BETTER THAN TWO YEARS.
AND HE'S LISTENED REPEATEDLY AND EACH TIME HE LISTENED MORE WAS PUT IN FRONT OF HIM AND HE'S CONSIDERED IT AND HE'S ADAPTED.
AND EVEN YET, RIGHT HERE, RIGHT NOW, HE'S HEARD AND HE KNOWS HOW IMPORTANT THAT THIS IS TO THE COMMUNITY.
AND HE WANTS TO SEE AND SUCCEED ON THEIR BEHALF.
AND I THINK THAT THIS COUNCIL OWES THE RESIDENTS OF THE TOWN TO MAKE SURE THAT WE GO MOVE FORWARD WITH WHAT WE SAID AS NUMBER ONE PRIORITY, WORKFORCE, HOUSING SERVICE WORKER HOUSING, STUDENT HOUSING.
AND THIS DOESN'T COST YOU A PENNY.
AND THE SECOND PART OF THE SECOND PRIORITY IS THAT THIS TAKES SHORT TERM RENTALS OFF THE TABLE FOR THIS AREA.
AND THAT'S CRITICALLY IMPORTANT, AND WE ALL KNOW THAT BECAUSE WE WORK ON IT EVERY DAY.
DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER COMMENTS FROM COUNCIL? MR.
UH, THAT'S KIND OF A SMALL SLIVER THAT'S BEEN PUT ON.
I THINK THAT'S FINE, BUT ESSENTIALLY IT'S NOT, THAT'S NOT WHAT IT'S PURPOSE IS.
IT'S PURPOSE IS TO PROVIDE OPPORTUNITIES FOR HOUSING OF SOME OF THE MAJOR, UH, OPERATORS IN THE, IN THE AREA.
THEIR EMPLOYEES ARE AT A HIGHER LEVEL THAN WOULD BE TAKEN CARE OF BY, UH, A WORKFORCE HOUSING PROVISION.
WE'VE HAD A FAIR NUMBER OF THOSE, UH, RETAILERS AND OTHER MERCHANTS IN THE NEARBY AREA SAY THEY WOULD VERY MUCH LIKE TO HAVE THIS, UH, IT WOULD BE A BIG BENEFIT TO THEM.
THIS IS A SLICE OF THE EMPLOYEE GROUP.
IT'S NOT THE WORKFORCE HOUSING SLICE, IT'S THE SLICE THAT STILL INCLUDES A GREAT MANY OF THE PEOPLE THAT WE NEED TO HAVE, UH, AVAILABLE AS SERVICE WORKERS.
SO I THINK THAT'S THE FIRST POINT.
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I'M HAPPY IF THERE'S, UH, A WORKFORCE HOUSING ELEMENT TO IT, BUT THAT'S NOT THE DRIVING FORCE HERE.IT'S TO, IT'S TO DEAL WITH AN INCOME LEVEL THAT'S SOMEWHAT HIGHER THAN THAT.
UH, THERE ARE A NUMBER OF, UH, PEOPLE IN SEA PINES AND ELSEWHERE WHO HAVE EXPRESSED CONCERNS, UH, ABOUT THE TRAFFIC SITUATION.
UH, ANYBODY INCLUDING MYSELF, THAT SPENDS SIX MINUTES WAITING IN LINE ON GREENWOOD ROAD TO GET INTO THE SEA PINE CIRCLE, UH, AND HAS DONE SO FOR YEARS IS OBVIOUSLY CONCERNED.
THERE ARE TWO ELEMENTS OF HOW THAT TRAFFIC IN, UH, SITUATION IMPACTS THIS PROJECT OR THE VICE VERSA.
ON A CURRENT BASIS, THE IMPACT IS NEGLIGIBLE, BUT WE STILL HAVE TO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT WHAT THAT IMPACT ON TRAFFIC WOULD BE FIVE YEARS OR 10 YEARS OR DOWN THE LINE.
AND THAT, THAT MEANS SEVERAL THINGS.
NUMBER ONE, WHAT CAN THE PARCELS THAT ARE WITHIN THE 500 FOOT RANGE DO AND HAVE AN IMPACT IN THE FUTURE? UH, AND WHAT DO WE DO ABOUT THE CURRENT DELAY? AND IN GETTING INTO THE SEA PINE CIRCLE FROM GREENWOOD, UH, I THINK THERE ARE WAYS TO LIMIT THE FORMER, WHICH IS WHAT CAN THE, UH, FEW NUMBER OF PEOPLE WITHIN THAT 23, UH, NUMBER ONE OF WHICH IS WHAT I SUGGESTED EARLIER IS THAT WE PUT A HIGHER PERCENTAGE, UH, OF THE ADJOINING PARCELS, UH, SO THAT THE 500 FEET FOOT REQUIREMENT IS NOT MEASURED TO THE PROPERTY LINE, BUT GOES SOMEWHAT FURTHER INTO THAT, THAT COULD REDUCE THE, THE NUMBER OF, OF, OF THOSE 23 OR SMALLER NUMBER THAT COULD DO ANYTHING IN THE FUTURE.
UH, EVEN IF WE DIDN'T DO THAT, IT'S VERY UNLIKELY THAT MOST OF THOSE BUILDINGS COULD DO, MOST OF THOSE PROPERTY OWNERS COULD DO VERY MUCH AT ALL WHEN YOU TAKE INTO ACCOUNT, UH, PARKING AND SETBACKS.
UH, AND INSOFAR AS THE TRAFFIC THAT, UH, PROBLEMS THAT EXIST CURRENTLY, UH, MR. ELLIS HAS INDICATED TO SEE PINE'S RESIDENCE, THAT THERE'S A COMMITTEE THAT HE HAS APPOINTED TO DEAL WITH NOT ONLY, UH, THE GATE, BUT GREENWOOD AND THE CIRCLE WITH THEIR OWN TRAFFIC ENGINEERS.
UH, I THINK THE TOWN CAN PARTICIPATE IN THAT EFFORT SO THAT WE WORK ON IT JOINTLY, UH, WITH TOWN STAFF AND WITH THE EXISTING TOWN TRAFFIC ENGINEER.
UH, AND I WOULD LOOK FORWARD TO THOSE PARTICULAR TRAFFIC EFFORTS STARTING IN SEPTEMBER OR OCTOBER, UH, SO THAT WE CAN VET THE SUGGESTIONS MADE, UH, BY KIMLEY HORNE AND TOWN'S TRAFFIC ENGINEERING CONSULTANTS, LOOK AT THE STATISTICS, LOOK AT THE ALTERNATIVES, AND COME UP WITH SOME PLANS THAT WE THINK CAN WORK.
AND I'M VERY HOPEFUL THAT WE CAN SIGNIFICANTLY MITIGATE THE DELAYS ON GREENWOOD THAT WAY.
SO, UH, I THINK WE NEED THIS KIND OF, OF HOUSING FOR THE SLICE OF, OF OUR EMPLOYEE SEGMENT THAT WE, UH, HAVE OUR NEIGHBORING MERCHANT'S CLAMORING FLOOR AND THEREFORE I'M IN FAVOR OF THIS EFFORT.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS FROM COUNSEL? YES, I HAVE EXPRESSED CONCERN ABOUT THE FACT THAT THE UNITS THAT ARE NOT RESTRICTED AS DORMITORY UNITS OR WORKFORCE HOUSING UNITS, I THINK IT'S 92, BUT WHATEVER THAT NUMBER IS, THERE IS NO LIMITATION, UM, ON THE A M I OF THOSE TENANTS THAT COULD BE MARKET RATE RENTALS.
I'VE REALLY BEEN CONCERNED ABOUT THAT, BUT I'VE GOT TO SAY I'M INFLUENCED BY MR. DE SPAIN'S FURTHER CONCESSION THAT HE JUST MADE.
AND I'M HIGHLY INFLUENCED BY THE SUPPORT OF THE EMPLOYEE EMPLOYERS WHO HAVE OFFERED TO STEP UP AND TAKE OVER THESE UNITS.
SO I AM WILLING TO GO BASED ON TRUST THAT THESE ARE NOT GONNA BE WORKFORCE HOUSING UNIT, I MEAN, UH, MARKET RATE UNITS.
AND I'LL BE PREPARED TO SUPPORT THIS MOTION.
UM, I'VE ALWAYS LIKED A WALKABLE COMMUNITY.
I USED TO LIVE IN THE SOUTH FOREST BEACH AREA AND I COULD WALK TO THIS AREA.
UM, WHEN I RODE MY BIKE, I WENT FARTHER AWAY
SO, UM, I LIKE SHARED PARKING CONCEPT.
UM, I LIKE THE, THE, UM, MADISON
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SCALE CONTROLS WITH THE FAR AND THE, UH, UH, THE SITE COVERAGE.UM, I LIKE THE KNOW ST I LIKE DOING SOMETHING ABOUT DILAPIDATED BUILDINGS.
UM, AND I LIKE THAT IT IS A PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP, BUT THERE'D BE NO MISTAKE IF NOT, YOU WOULDN'T BE HERE ASKING US TO MAKE A TEXT AMENDMENT.
IF NOT, YOU WOULDN'T BE ASKING U S C B FOR PARKING.
IT IS A PUBLIC-PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP THAT IS PROPOSED IN THIS TAX AMENDMENT.
THE OTHER SIDE OF THE COIN IS THE DENSITY.
THE DENSITY INCREASE, UM, WITHOUT THIS TAX AMENDMENT IS IT GOES FROM 12 UNITS PER ACRE TO 31 UNITS PER ACRE.
IN THE PROPOSAL THAT WE'RE NOT CONSIDERING, 'CAUSE WE'RE NOT DOING CONDITIONAL USE ZONING AT THIS POINT.
THAT'S A TWO AND A HALF TIME DENSITY INCREASE.
IN ADDITION, UM, THE, THE MOVE TODAY, WHICH WAS LAST MINUTE, IS ENCOURAGING.
UM, IT DOESN'T YET COME UP TO THE 20 YEAR STANDARD THAT WE HAD SUGGESTED AND, AND HAD APPROVED BEFORE.
SO I WAS A LITTLE CONCERNED ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED WITH AQUA.
AND I LOOK BACK ON THE TOWN'S WEBSITE TO HISTORICAL DATA ON ORDINANCES ADOPTED.
IT'S ORDINANCE NUMBER 2019 DASH 15.
IT WAS IN CALLED GARNER DRIVE.
THAT TEXT SAYS THAT THERE WERE 260 UNITS.
IT DEALS WITH HEIGHT REDUCTION.
IT SAYS IT'LL RESERVE 5% OF THE WORKFORCE HOUSING UNITS FOR 20 YEARS.
I HAVEN'T HEARD MANY PEOPLE SAY THAT THEY LIKE THAT DOCUMENT TERRA PROJECT.
AND THE OTHER THING THAT I NOTICED, AND THIS IS BEFORE WE GOT A LETTER FROM THE HOSPITAL TODAY, THERE WAS A LETTER FROM HILTON ED REGIONAL HEALTHCARE DATED JANUARY 18TH, 2019.
AND I WON'T READ THE ENTIRE LETTER, BUT IT DOES SAY THIS APARTMENT PROJECT, MEANING THE GARNER DRIVER, OPERAT TERRA PROJECT, WILL PROVIDE A VIABLE HOUSING OPTION FOR HOSPITAL PERSONNEL AND OTHER EMPLOYEES WORKING ON HILTON HEAD.
SO I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY EMPLOYEES FROM THE HOSPITAL ARE LIVING IN ARIA ARARIA.
I'M CURIOUS TO KNOW, BUT WE CAN'T MAKE THOSE KIND OF MISTAKES AGAIN.
WE'VE GOT TO HAVE SOMETHING THAT DOES.
I I, I UNDERSTAND FOLKS, UM, AND, AND I BELIEVE IN WHAT THEY SAY, BUT TRUST AND VERIFY AND THIS KIND OF THING WOULD VERIFY IT.
AND THAT'S WHY WE NEED TO BE SPECIFIC ON THE TEXT AMENDMENT AND SPECIFIC ON WHAT WE BELIEVE IS BEST FOR THE COMMUNITY.
AND BECAUSE THE LANGUAGE PROPOSED SAYS ONLY THAT NARROW GAP OF 60 TO 120%, IF IT SAID ZERO TO 120%, I'D BE MORE FAVORABLE TO CONSIDER IT BECAUSE, BECAUSE THE PIE CHART WAS MISTAKEN.
THE CURRENT TEXT AMENDMENT THAT WE APPROVED AT OUR LAST MEETING WAS UP TO 90%.
IT WAS NOT WITHIN A NARROW BAN.
SO MAYOR, I'D LIKE TO HEAR WHAT OTHERS HAVE TO SAY.
I WISH THAT THERE HAD BEEN SOME MOVEMENT WELL BEFORE THIS LAST MINUTE.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS FROM COUNSEL? UM, ARE WE GONNA BE TAKING PUBLIC COMMENT? MR. YES.
I, I'LL WAIT UNTIL THAT'S THE PUBLIC COMMENT.
UH, I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE SOME CONSIDERATION AT THE APPROPRIATE POINT OF CHANGING THE DEFINITIONS SO THAT WE'RE NOT MEASURING 500 FEET TO THE PROPERTY LINE.
I DON'T THINK I, WE CAN DO THAT TONIGHT, BUT AT SOME POINT I'D LIKE TO HAVE SOME CONSIDERATION OF THAT.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS? PUBLIC COMMENT.
YOU, YOU HAD YOUR HAND UP EARLIER, SIR.
UM, WITHOUT, UH, DISCLOSING CONFIDENTIALITY, WHAT EXACTLY ARE THESE CORPORATIONS GIVING YOU? YOU NEED TO COME OUT TO THE MICROPHONE, SIR, WITHOUT GETTING INTO VIOLATION, IDENTIFY YOURSELF.
PLEASE FACE YOUR NAME AS WELL.
UM, WITHOUT GETTING INTO ANY CONFIDENTIALITY, UH, WHAT EXACTLY ARE THE CORPORATIONS GIVING TO THIS DEVELOPER? NUMBER ONE.
AND WE ALL HAVE HEARD THE LAST THREE YEARS, A LITTLE WORD CALLED INFRASTRUCTURE.
I HAVEN'T HEARD THAT WORD IN THIS WHOLE PRESENTATION.
WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN TO OUR INFRASTRUCTURE WHEN IT'S ALREADY OVER? TEXT
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YOU YOURSELF MAY, MAY MADE THAT WHEN YOU WERE RUNNING FOR MAYOR, THE INFRASTRUCTURE WAS IN BADLY NEED OF ATTENTION.WHAT'S PUTTING ALL THESE UNITS BACK IN AND MORE PEOPLE AND MORE UTILITIES AND WATER AND THINGS LIKE THAT NATURE, WHICH IS FINE.
I'M NOT SAYING I DISAGREE WITH THIS, OR I'M AGREEING WITH, I'M JUST, I'M BREAKING THIS UP.
THAT HAS NEVER EVEN BEEN MENTIONED.
IS OUR TOWN READY FOR THAT? THAT'S ALL.
I'M GONNA GET BACK TO YOU AND LET YOU CALL OFF THE NAMES SINCE YOU HAD A LIST.
I WASN'T IN HILTON HOOD PLANTATION, NOW I'M IN SHIPYARD.
I LOVE THIS ISLAND AND I THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
UM, I WANTED TO VOICE MY APPRECIATION FOR THE TOWN STAFF AND COUNCIL AND CAREFUL DILIGENCE TO HOPEFULLY MOVE FORWARD WITH FULL APPROVAL ON THE OFFICE WAY REDEVELOPMENT.
UM, I'VE GOT SOME THINGS TO SAY, BUT I'M, I'M REALLY STRUCK BY ALL THESE NUMBERS AND SPREADSHEETS AND PROJECTIONS THAT WE DON'T KNOW.
THERE'S ALREADY BEEN QUESTIONS ABOUT HOW ACCURATE ANY OF THOSE NUMBERS COULD BE, AND THERE'S A LOT OF PEARL CLUTCHING ABOUT THE POTENTIAL OF WHAT IT COULD DO AND WHAT IT CAN'T DO.
AND LIKE, WE GOTTA DO SOMETHING.
WE, WE NEED TO MOVE FORWARD AND DO SOMETHING.
LIKE, I JUST KEEP THINKING BACK TO LIKE THE GOLDEN GATE BRIDGE OR THE TRANSCONTINENTAL RAILROAD OR ANYTHING THAT'S EVER BEEN BUILT IN THIS COUNTRY.
IF THEY HAD TO GO THROUGH THIS, IT WOULD NEVER, EVER HAPPEN, YOU KNOW,
SO I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY ALL I'VE GOT.
RICHARD DEX TRAYS, I, MELINDA TUNNER.
HELLO, MY NAME'S MELINDA TUNNER AND I LIVE AT 20 LENNOX LANE IN PALM METAL HALL.
AND I'M HERE TODAY TO ASK FOR YOUR SUPPORT OF THE APPLICANT'S TEXT AMENDMENT FOR THE ISLANDER MIXED USE IN INE CIRCLE.
THE TEXT AMENDMENT IS A CREATIVE APPROACH TO FIND A MUTUALLY BENEFICIAL SOLUTION TO REDEVELOP DILAPIDATED LAND, WHICH CAN BENEFIT THE TOWN.
THE BENEFITS INCLUDE PROVIDING A LIFELINE TO U S C B THROUGH THE BUILDING OF DORMITORIES, WHICH WILL ENCOURAGE STUDENTS TO ATTEND OUR LOCAL CAMPUS.
THE TOWN HAS INVESTED $21 MILLION AND WE WANT THAT INVESTMENT TO PAY OFF THROUGH EDUCATING STUDENTS IN THE HOSPITALITY INDUSTRY, WHICH IS SO IMPORTANT TO THE ISLAND.
THE INCLUSION OF WORKFORCE HOUSING IS GREAT TO SEE LOCAL BUSINESSES STEPPING UP WITH LETTERS OF INTENT TO SIGN LONG-TERM LEASES TO SUPPORT THEIR WORKERS.
NO SHORT-TERM RENTALS AND NO TAXPAYER DOLLARS NEEDED.
SO NOW WE'RE AT THE POINT IN THE PROCESS WHERE EVERYONE IS WORKING THROUGH THE FINAL DETAILS.
THE TOWN STAFF BOARD AND THE DEVELOPER HAVE BEEN WORKING HARD TO IRON OUT THESE POINTS AND THE DEVELOPER HAS MADE AND HAS CONTINUED TO MAKE CONCESSIONS EVEN TODAY.
BUT AT SOME POINT WE NEED TO CLOSE THE DEAL, REMAIN REMAINING ISSUES, FOCUS ON THE FOLLOWING TRAFFIC CONCERNS AT THE CIRCLE.
THE GOOD NEWS IS THE BUILDING IS EAST OF THE CIRCLE, WHICH MEANS GREENWOOD CAN BE AVOIDED BY USING OFFICE PARK AND OFFICE PARKWAY.
NEW ORLEANS ROAD ALSO PROVIDES FASTER SIDE STREET ACCESS TO BUSINESS.
2 78 STUDENTS AND WORKERS CAN WALK OR RIDE TO SCHOOL, RESTAURANTS, GROCERY STORES, AND POTENTIALLY WORK.
AT THE RECENT CORRIDOR REVIEW, THE DESIGN OF A TURBO CIRCLE MAY PROVIDE THE MOST SIGNIFICANT IMPROVEMENT TO TRAFFIC TIMES IN THE CIRCLE.
AND ON GREENWOOD, THE ZERO TO 90% A M I IF IT GOES THAT LOW, DOESN'T THAT MEAN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SECTION EIGHT HOUSING, UNDEFINED DENSITY.
THE TOWN HAS PUT GUARDRAILS IN PLACE THROUGH LIMITATIONS ON HEIGHT, F A R S C I, SETBACKS AND MINIMUM UNIT SIZE.
THE TOWN COUNCIL VERSION OF THE TEXT AMENDMENT MOVED THE TOP A M I I'VE ADJUSTED IT TO 120% TO 90%, WHICH REDUCES THE NUMBER OF WORKERS THAT WOULD BE ELIGIBLE FOR WORKFORCE HOUSING.
HAVING THE 120% OF A M I PROVIDES AFFORDABLE RENT FOR A LARGER POPULATION OF OUR WORKERS, LIKE NURSES AND OTHER OCCUPATIONS THAT IN TODAY'S ENVIRONMENT FIND IT HARD TO LIVE ON THE ISLAND THROUGH PRIVATE DEVELOPMENT.
THE NOW 15 YEARS AND NOW 20% WORKFORCE HOUSING REQUIREMENT WILL PROVIDE NET NEW WORKFORCE RENTAL UNITS TO THE MARKETPLACE FASTER THAN OUR CURRENT PUBLIC PROCESS.
WE STILL HAVEN'T FILLED THE ROLE OF THE WORKFORCE HOUSING ADMINISTRATOR, WHICH WAS POSTED IN JANUARY.
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OBSTACLES IN FILLING THE POSITION IS HOW HARD IT IS TO GET HOUSING ON THE ISLAND AT THE END OF THE DAY, THIS NEW TEXT AMENDMENT.ASHLEY PHILLIPS, MS. PHILLIPS.
ASHLEY PHILLIPS, UH, FULL-TIME RESIDENT HERE ON THE ISLAND.
UM, THERE'S A LOT OF WANTING TO SAY I'M PROBABLY GONNA CUT IT OUT 'CAUSE UH, IT'S BEEN A LONG, LONG MEETING.
UM, ONE OF THE THINGS I WANTED TO SAY WAS, I'VE HEARD A FEW TIMES FROM THE COUNCIL MEMBERS THAT THIS PROJECT NEEDS MORE WORKFORCE HOUSING BUILT INTO IT.
UM, I THINK THIS WHOLE PROJECT IS FOR WORKFORCE HOUSING BECAUSE THE PEOPLE WHO ARE GONNA LIVE THERE ARE GONNA WORK HERE.
SO I THINK, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE GONNA GIVE WHAT, 292 BEDS TO PEOPLE WHO WORK HERE.
UM, ONE OF THE OTHER STATISTICS THAT, UM, I SAW ON A SLIDE FROM THE DEVELOPER, UM, IF I READ IT CORRECTLY, WAS, UH, LIKE 68% OF THE WORKERS ON THE ISLAND ARE MAKING BELOW THE, UM, MEDIAN INCOME.
AND I MEAN, THERE'S NO WAY TO BUILD ENOUGH HOUSING TO, TO, YOU KNOW, GET OUR WAY OUT OF THAT.
UM, AND THAT A MAJORITY OF THE WAGE EARNERS IN OUR ISLAND MAKE LESS THAN 50% OF THE A M I AND THAT WOULD REQUIRE SECTION EIGHT HOU TYPE HOUSING.
I DON'T THINK THAT'S GONNA WORK.
UM, AND UH, ONE OTHER THING I WANNA BRING UP, UM, ALONG WITH THE HOUSING IS, UM, TRANSPORTATION.
I THINK, UM, WE NEED TO, UH, WORK ON HOW TO GET ALTERNATIVE TRANSPORTATION OFF THE ISLAND AND ON THE ISLAND, UM, TO, IT'S A BIG ISSUE.
UM, I KNOW, UH, MS. BECKER HAS SUGGESTED SEVERAL TIMES I'VE HEARD, UM, TO WORK ON LIKE A PARK AND RIDE SYSTEM.
AND I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO GO IN CONJUNCTION WITH, UM, THE, THE PEOPLE WORKING HERE.
I THINK IT'LL HELP BECAUSE, UH, EVERYONE CAN'T LIVE ON THIS ISLAND AND NOT EVERYBODY WANTS TO LIVE ON THE ISLAND.
UM, AND I, I THINK, I THINK, UH, ADDING THE TRANSPORTATION, UH, PART WILL HELP.
I'M CHAIR OF THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS OF SEA PINES COMMUNITY SERVICE ASSOCIATION.
AND AS I TOLD YOU, EVERY PROPERTY OWNER IS A MEMBER OF THAT ASSOCIATION.
I SPEAK ON BEHALF OF THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS AND WE'VE MET AGAIN TODAY AND PARTICULARLY TO TALK ABOUT SOME OF THESE.
FIRST I WANNA COMPLIMENT YOU ON TAKING ON A VERY DIFFICULT, DIFFICULT PROBLEM, AND IT'S BEING COMBINED IN SEVERAL ASPECTS OF DIFFICULT DECISIONS TO MAKE.
AT THE SAME TIME, WE WANNA MAKE IT CLEAR THAT WE ARE NOT, UH, OPPOSED TO THIS PROJECT.
IF IT HAD THE AMENDMENTS THAT YOU HAVE, YOU KNOW, POSTPONE IT YOURSELF, YOU KNOW, AT LEAST AT THE LAST MEETING.
WE WANNA SUPPORT WORKFORCE HOUSING AND WE WANT TO SUPPORT WORKFORCE HOUSING IN A REASONABLE WAY THAT IS UNIFORM THROUGHOUT THE COMMUNITY.
BUT WHEN YOU ADOPT THIS AMENDMENT TO THE ENTIRE DISTRICT, YOU AFFECT THE DISTRICT.
AND AS IT STANDS, NOW, ONE FOOT INTO THE PIECE OF PROPERTY ALLOWS ANOTHER PIECE OF PROPERTY AT THE 500 DISTANCE TO BE DEVELOPED.
THE ADDITIONAL THING IS YOU CAN COMBINE PARCELS OF PROPERTY AND YOU CAN LEAD ALL THE WAY THROUGH THERE AND HAVE A LARGER PARCEL OF PROPERTY.
ANOTHER THING, IT'S EDUCATIONAL USE.
IT'S NOT 500 FEET FROM THE CAMPUS THAT'S THERE.
IT'S 500 FEET FROM AN EDUCATIONAL USE.
I CAN IMAGINE LAWYERS AND DEVELOPERS ARE VERY INNOVATIVE.
THEY KNOW HOW TO CREATE AN EDUCATIONAL USE AND THEY KNOW HOW TO CREATE 500 FEET OF THAT AND WHAT TO DO.
SO WHAT WE ASK YOU TO DO IS TWO THINGS.
ONE, IN THINKING ABOUT THIS AND MAKING THE FINAL DECISION, LET'S VIEW IN THE FUTURE FIVE YEARS, 10 YEARS, WHAT THE DISTRICT WOULD BE LIKE.
LET'S TAKE THOSE WORDINGS THAT ARE IN THERE THAT CAN LEAD TO POTENTIAL THINGS, THAT COULD BE PROBLEMS, AND TAKE THOSE INTO CONSIDERATION.
AND THEN MAINLY I WANT TO ASK YOU ON BEHALF OF OUR COMMUNITY, PLEASE MAKE TRAFFIC WORK WITH US.
SO CURING THE TRAFFIC PROBLEM WE HAVE IN THIS AREA WILL BE A NUMBER ONE PRIORITY FROM THE TOWN.
AND ANYONE ELSE, WE NEED YOUR HELP.
WE APPRECIATE IT AND WE THANK YOU FOR ALL OF THE WORK YOU'VE BEEN DOING.
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LOT SINCE THE LAST MEETING, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, I DO SEE SOME POTENTIALS THAT YOU NEED TO TIGHTEN UP SOME THINGS THAT MAY HELP IN THE FUTURE AND NOT DO A GOOD THING AND CAUSE SOMETHING BAD TO HAPPEN.AND THAT'S ALL WE ASK YOU TO DO.
UM, I ACTUALLY REPRESENT BEACH HOUSE.
I'M ALSO A RESIDENT AT, AT 18 MANOR COURT LANE.
UM, I WANTED TO JUST COME UP WITH, JUST SAY BRIEFLY AS WE TALKED ABOUT SALARIES AND WAGES UP THERE, UM, $24,000 FOR A BARTENDER.
I, THERE ARE BUSERS THAT MAKE MORE MONEY THAN THAT.
UM, BAR BARTENDERS ON THIS ISLAND ARE PROFESSIONALS.
UM, YOU KNOW, AND I USE THAT ONE AS AN EXAMPLE.
WE HAVE SERVERS THAT ARE MAKING, WELL, WELL OVER THAT NUMBER TWO, THREE TIMES THAT NUMBER, FRANKLY.
UM, SO I POINT THAT OUT BECAUSE I THINK THAT THIS DECISION IS GREATLY IMPORTANT FOR ALL OF YOU.
UM, YOU KNOW, I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO, 'CAUSE I'M NOT GONNA TAKE A LOT OF YOUR TIME, APOLOGIZE FOR SOME OF THE THINGS YOU HAVE TO LISTEN TO IN HERE.
APPRECIATE ALL THAT YOU ALL DO AND YOUR CONSIDERATION AND, UH, UM, HOPE YOU MAKE THE RIGHT DECISION.
SO THANKS VERY, VERY, VERY MUCH.
I'M MIKE WAGNER WITH SHORE BEACH SERVICE.
UM, LIKE MANY OTHER BUSINESSES ON THE ISLAND, WE HAVE A NEED TO PROVIDE HOUSING FOR OUR EMPLOYEES IN ORDER TO PROPERLY FUNCTION, UM, WITH AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
SO SCARCE, I THINK A LOT OF BUSINESSES ARE IN THE POSITION OF OPERATING WITHIN WITH PARTIAL STAFFS AND THINGS ALONG THOSE LINES, WHICH ISN'T GOOD FOR EMPLOYEES.
IT'S NOT GOOD FOR BUSINESSES, IT'S NOT GOOD FOR THEIR CUSTOMERS.
UH, WE'VE NOT GOTTEN TO THAT POINT YET, BUT I DO HAVE CONCERNS THAT IF THAT TRAIN CONTINUES, UH, IT COULD GREATLY AFFECT THE SAFETY OF THE BEACHES HERE.
UH, I THINK THE OFFICE WAY PROJECT WOULD HAVE A GREAT IMPACT, UH, FOR, FOR US, FOR, UH, YOU KNOW, ALL, UH, OTHER BUSINESSES ON THE ISLAND.
UH, AND ONE THING I WOULD POINT OUT TOO, UH, KIND OF TO JAY'S POINT WITH THE CHART THAT WAS UP THERE EARLIER, I THINK IT HAD LIFEGUARDS AS 13 BUCKS AN HOUR.
UH, OUR FIRST YEAR GUARDS STARTED, UH, AT 17.
UH, AND IT GOES MUCH HIGHER THAN THAT.
SO I THINK THAT THAT'S A, UH, UH, UH, THERE'S SOME FLAWS IN THAT TABLE, AS WAS UH, POINTED OUT EARLIER.
HELLO, MY NAME'S SHERRY MARGARET AND I'M FROM INDIGO RUN.
I WANNA THANK ALL OF YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TO SPEAK TODAY.
AND I WANTED TO SAY TO ALL THE SPEAKERS, PLEASE MAKE SURE YOU ADJUST YOUR MIC SO EVERYBODY CAN HEAR THE WONDERFUL COMMENTS THAT YOU ARE SAYING.
AND I REALLY WANNA THANK, UM, SEAN FOR HIS SPEECH AND HIS PRESENTATION.
I THINK THAT WAS VERY IMPORTANT.
I THINK A LOT OF THINGS THAT ARE HAPPENING ARE SMOKE AND MIRRORS FOR, I'VE GONE TO THESE MEETINGS NOW FOR A WHILE AND I'VE BEEN HEARING THERE'S 23, THERE'S THIS MANY AND THERE'S 23 PARCELS.
IF WE DO THIS FOR ONE, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DO IT FOR ALL 23.
WELL, FROM THE MATH, IF YOU TAKE OFF, WHAT'S THE FIVE FOUR, THIS PROJECT THAT'S 17.
YOU TAKE OFF THOSE AND THAT BELONG TO HILTON HEAD ISLAND.
THAT TAKES YOU AT LEAST DOWN TO 15.
YOU TAKE OFF SOME OF THE BANKS, THAT TAKES YOU DOWN TO AT LEAST 12.
AND FROM THOSE 12, THERE'S THE WELLS FARGO BANK, THERE'S THE BERMUDA TRIANGLE WITH RILEY'S.
I'M SURE THEY'RE NOT GONNA WANNA SELL THEIR GOLD MINE FOR RENTALS.
THERE'S THE HOUSE THEATER GAS, AND THE OTHER ONES THAT THEY SAID.
THERE'S A LOT OF OFFICE BUILDINGS IN THERE ALSO, WHICH SOME OF THE MEMBERS OF COUNCIL HAVE OFFICES THAT ARE HAVE, UM, PART OWNERSHIP OF.
I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT IF YOU TAKE A LOOK AT THE SEVEN DIFFERENT COMMIT COMMUNITY, UH, BUSINESSES THAT HAVE SENT LETTERS OF SUPPORT, I'VE HAD PEOPLE SAY, WELL, THE ONLY LETTERS OF SUPPORT, THEY'RE NOT CONTRACTS.
HOW CAN YOU DO A CONTRACT BEFORE THE DEVELOPER HAS A CONTRACT? YOU CAN'T.
SO I THINK THE LETTERS OF SUPPORT ARE VERY, VERY IMPORTANT.
YOU KNOW, HE HAS GIVEN US A LOT.
HE'S CUT BACK ON THE INITIAL HEIGHT THAT HE WANTED.
HE DECREASED, HE INCREASED HIS SETBACKS, AND HE'S DONE A LOT.
MY CONCERN WITH SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THESE LOW AMIS IS SECTION EIGHT HOUSING.
I KNOW SOME OF YOU ARE CONCERNED, SOME OF
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YOU DON'T THINK IS GOING BE A PROBLEM.WE HAD RENTALS IN PITTSBURGH, PENNSYLVANIA.
WE DID NOT ACCEPT SECTION EIGHT HOUSING FOR A VARIETY OF REASONS.
ALL YOU DO IS NEED TO GO TO THE GOVERNMENT.
IF YOU HAVE A LOW M A M I, YOU CAN GET A VOUCHER AND THEN YOU WILL GET SECTION EIGHT HOUSING IF THE DEVELOPER OR THE RENTAL PERSON ACCEPTS IT.
SO, YES, SECTION EIGHT HOUSING IS DIFFERENT THAN PROJECT HOUSING, AND I THINK THAT'S A BIG DIFFERENCE.
I WOULD HATE TO SEE SECTION EIGHT HOUSING ON THIS ISLAND FOR A VARIETY OF REASONS.
UM, ONE OF THE THINGS I HAVE FOUND IS WE HAD FRIENDS THAT HAD IT.
THE SECTION EIGHT PEOPLE DID NOT TAKE CARE OF THE PROPERTY.
PEOPLE WHO RENT DID TAKE CARE OF THE PROPERTY.
AND ME BEING AS A NURSE, I WOULD NOT WANNA LIVE NEXT TO SOMEPLACE THAT HAD SECTION EIGHT HOUSING WHERE THEY REALLY DIDN'T CARE AND THEY TRASHED THE UNITS.
I THINK THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT AND I APPLAUD THIS DEVELOPER FOR HIS CONCESSIONS.
NEXT AID READY? ONE MORE TIME.
I'M MATT SWEENEY, FIVE 12 COLONIAL DRIVE FROM YOUR WORKSHOP LAST WEEK.
I UNDERSTAND THAT THE NORTH POINT AND OTHER TOWN WORKFORCE HOUSING PROJECTS ARE DELAYED BY UNCERTAIN CAPITAL MARKETS, PROTRACTED NON-PUBLIC NEGOTIATIONS WITH AN UNKNOWN DEVELOPER EVALUATION OF TOWN.
OH, LAND AND IMPACT ASSESSMENT OF AT TAX MONEY FOR FUTURE HOUSING AND NO WORKFORCE HOUSING PROGRAM MANAGER TO OVERSEE IT ALL.
IT'S EASY TO UNDERSTAND WHY MAYOR PERRY COMMENTED THAT THE PRIVATE SECTOR IS MOVING FASTER THAN THE, UH, THE PUB PRIVATE SECTOR IS MOVING FASTER THAN THE PUBLIC SECTOR.
WE'RE HERE TODAY TO SUPPORT THE APPLICANT'S TEXT AMENDMENTS BECAUSE WE WANT HOUSING FOR YOUNG PROFESSIONALS WITH FAMILIES WHO WILL STAY ON THE ISLAND.
WE WANNA SEE KIDS PLAYING FRISBEE IN THE PARKING LOT.
WE WANNA SEE AN OPTION FOR PEOPLE WHO AREN'T TOO MUCH FOR SUBSIDIZED HOUSING, BUT NOT ENOUGH TO BUY A HOME.
WE WANNA SEE A COMMUNITY FOR THE NEXT GENERATION OF ISLANDERS, BUT THE CURRENT L M O DOESN'T ALLOW THAT.
IT DOES PERMIT 12 BEDROOM APARTMENTS THAT AREN'T APPROPRIATE FOR FAMILIES.
WORKER DORMITORIES ARE FOR UNRELATED PEOPLE DOING THEIR BEST TO SAVE MONEY SO THEY CAN MOVE SOMEPLACE ELSE WITH THEIR FAMILIES.
YOU WON'T SEE KIDS PLAYING FRISBEE IN THE PARKING LOT BECAUSE IT'S PACKED.
JUST LOOK AT THE DORMITORIES ON TARGET ROAD.
THEY HAVE 96 BEDROOMS AND ONLY 25 PARKING SPOTS.
INSTEAD OF DOING THAT, WHICH THIS DEVELOPER COULD DO BY RIGHT? THE APPLICANT WANTS TO BUILD SOMETHING THAT YOUR CONSTITUENTS WANT.
THE ONLY HOSPITAL ON THE ISLAND AND FOUR OF THE EIGHT LARGEST EMPLOYERS ON THE ISLAND HAVE DOCUMENTED THEIR INTEREST IN FAMILY HOUSING FOR THEIR EMPLOYEES.
BUT WHAT THEY WANT ISN'T ALLOWED BY THE CURRENT L M O.
SOME OF YOU ARE WORRIED ABOUT THE WHAT IFS.
COULD THE I M U APARTMENTS BE SOLD TO AN EVIL CAPITALIST? WILL THERE BE A WORKER LIVING IN EVERY APARTMENT? WILL RESIDENTS FLUSH TOILETS? TOO MANY TIMES IT'S GOVERNMENT OVERREACH TO CONTROL THESE THINGS BY DEEDED OR AGREEMENT.
SO I ENCOURAGE YOU TO LOOK AT THE MERITS OF THE NEW USE AND THE PROJECT DESIGN ALONE.
NO SHORT-TERM RENTALS, WIDE SETBACKS, MINIMUM APARTMENT SIZES OF 750 SQUARE FEET, NO MICRO EFFICIENCY APARTMENTS, OPEN SPACES AND BUILDING HEIGHT LIMITS.
ALL OF THOSE ARE NOT CURRENTLY IN THE L M O.
IT'S HARD FOR A CAPITALIST TO BE EVIL WITH THOSE RESTRICTIONS.
BUT EVEN WITHOUT A DIME OF GOVERNMENT MONEY, ANY PRIVATE OWNER WOULD STILL BE STUCK WITH FINANCIAL RISKS LIKE DEBT SERVICE DURING A RECESSION AND ESCALATING INSURANCE COSTS.
AS FOR A WORKER IN EVERY UNIT, SOMETHING LIKE THAT COULD NEVER BE MONITORED OR ENFORCED.
BUT ASK YOURSELF THIS QUESTION.
WILL THERE BE CONSISTENT AND ENDURING DEMAND FOR FAMILY HOUSING OF MIDDLE INCOME EMPLOYEES? THEY CAN BE
WE'LL BE IN TROUBLE IF THERE ARE THAL VAN LEE.
UM, COUNCILMAN, I LIVE IN INDIGO RUN AND IF I THOUGHT THIS PROJECT IS LIKE AQUA TERRA, I WOULD NOT HAVE EVER WORKED HARD TO SUPPORT THIS PROJECT.
SO I JUST WANNA MAKE THAT CLEAR.
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SO AFTER TWO YEARS, HERE WE ARE AGAIN TODAY IT'S ALL COMING DOWN TO THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN 15, WELL NOW HERE EXCEPT 20% UNIT THAT KEPT TO 90 OR 120 FOR 10 OR FOR 15 OR 20 YEARS.THE FATE OF A WILL FALLOUT PROJECT WILL BE DETERMINED BY LESS THAN SIX UNITS TO PUT IN A DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE.
THAT'S ONE HOUSE IN WEXFORD, WHICH YOU WON'T PUT A D ON SOLVING AFFORDABLE HOUSING FOR THE ISLAND, BUT WOULD RENDER THE PROJECT ON FINANCEABLE BY THE DEVELOPER.
SOME COUNCIL WOULD ARGUE THAT YOU ARE REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT POLICY IMPLICATIONS FOR THE FUTURE.
HAS IT EVER OCCURRED TO YOU THAT THE PRIVATE SECTOR MIGHT SET BETTER EXAMPLES TO LEAD POLICY MAKING, ESPECIALLY WHEN THE TOWN HAS A POORLY DEFINED DWELLING UNIT AND SOME COUNCIL IS WEIGHED BY EMOTIONS OR BAD DATA? I WANNA CLARIFY THAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT THREE SETS OF DATA HERE.
THERE'S ONE THAT THE TOWN STAFF PRESENTED, WHICH IS THE BUREAU OF LABOR STATISTICS.
THERE'S NO SUCH THING AS HILTON HAD LABOR OF STATISTICS.
IT'S THE US LABOR OF STATISTICS.
THEY'RE JUST ASKED FOR HOURLY WAGES INSTEAD OF THE FULL SET OF INCOME.
AND THEN THERE'S ANOTHER SET OF DATA THAT'S HUD THAT IS DATA THAT'S DETERMINED PUBLIC HOUSING BASED ON THE INCOME LEVEL.
SO THAT IS A PUBLIC HOUSING, YOUR INVOLVING SECTION EIGHT OR SECTION EIGHT TYPE OF HOUSING.
AND THE THIRD MOST ACCURATE DATA IS THE US SENSORS COM.
UH, AMERICAN COMMUNITY SERVICE.
THIS IS DONE BY US SENSORS FOR COUNTY LEVEL.
IT'S ONCE A YEAR FOR 10 LEVEL IS FIVE YEARS, AND THAT IS A FAR BETTER DATA JUST BECAUSE THE SAMPLE SIZE IS FAR LARGER AND THE HISTORY IS FAR LONGER.
SO THAT'S HOW HUT DETERMINES ITS A M I.
SO IT IS NOT UNUSUAL FOR TOWN TO USE VARIANCES TO BE GRANTED TO ACCOMMODATE CO ACCOMMODATE PUBLIC INTEREST.
THE PUBLIC INTEREST IN THIS CASE IS CLEAR AND PRESENT.
THE HILTON HEAD NEEDS DOCTORS AND HOSS AND, AND NURSES.
THE LOCAL BUSINESSES NEED MISSION CRITICAL EMPLOYEES AND THE UNIVERSITY NEEDS DORMITORIES.
AND YOU HAVE ALL THE RESIDENTS HERE.
WE SAY WE NEED THIS TAX AMENDMENT.
THOSE ARE THE BACKBONES OF THE COMMUNITY.
SO YOU, YOU WANNA PROTECT OUR ISLAND, SO PLEASE DO THE RIGHT THING.
WE ONLY NEED FOUR VOTES, SO I HOPE THOSE FOUR PEOPLE WILL DO WHAT'S BEST FOR THE ISLAND.
HELLO, CHERRY NORRIS SHIPYARD.
WE HAVE A GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO REPURPOSE THESE DILAPIDATED BUILDINGS THAT WE JUST SAW ON THE VIDEO.
UM, THE OFFICE WAY RENOVATION PROJECT IS A GREAT SOLUTION TO CREATE SUSTAINABLE ISLANDER HOUSING THAT DOESN'T RELY ON TAXPAYER DOLLARS.
WE, THE PEOPLE WANT A FREE MARKET SYSTEM TO BE THE SOLUTION.
WE DON'T WANT OR NEED GOVERNMENT MONEY OVERREACH OR SECTION EIGHT HOUSING AN OUTSIDE DEVELOPER LOCAL BUSINESSES, U SS C B, AND THE HOSPITAL SUPPO SUPPORT THIS TEXT AMENDMENT THAT WILL HELP EMPLOYEES AND STUDENTS TO STAY CLOSE TO THEIR WORK AND CAMPUS WITHOUT HAVING TO WORRY ABOUT EXPENSIVE RENT.
THIS IS A SMART AND AFFORDABLE WAY TO IMPROVE THE QUALITY OF LIFE FOR STUDENTS, EMPLOYEES, AND BUSINESSES ON HILTON HEAD.
SO I REALLY ENCOURAGE YOU TO SUPPORT THE OFFICE WAY RENOVATION PROJECT AND VOTE YES FOR THE TEXT AMENDMENT.
AND SINCE I HAVE A LITTLE MOMENT,
AND, AND WHEN I LOOK AT LIKE, WHAT HE COULD PUT IN THERE, LIKE, LIKE ADULT ENTERTAINMENT LOUNGES AND LIQUOR STORES AND CAR WASHES AND STORAGE UNITS, I'M LIKE, WHY NOT DO THAT? YOU DON'T HAVE TO GO THROUGH ALL OF THIS.
AND THE SECOND THING THAT COMES UP IS, UM, AS I WAS LEAVING HOLLYWOOD, CALIFORNIA, THE APARTMENT THAT I WAS LIVING IN WAS TURNING INTO SECTION EIGHT HOUSING.
AND I PROMISED YOU NO ONE ON THIS ISLAND ONCE NEIGHBORS LIKE I HAD.
AND I AM TALKING ABOUT DRUG ADDICTS AND PROSTITUTES AND, AND THE, THE, THE, THE, THE JUST THE THE, YOU DON'T WANT THESE NEIGHBORS.
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THAT AND LEAVE IT THERE.THE COMMUNITY SUPPORTS IT, THE BUSINESSES SUPPORT IT.
WE DON'T HAVE TO USE TAXPAYER DOLLARS.
JUST SAY YES TO THIS TAX AMENDMENT.
GOOD AFTERNOON MAYOR PERRY, COUNCIL MEMBERS AND MR. ORLANDO.
I AM SUSAN VICKI AND I LIVE IN HILTON HEAD PLANTATION.
MY HUSBAND AND I LEFT MASSACHUSETTS THREE AND A HALF YEARS AGO TO MOVE TO SOUTH CAROLINA TO GET AWAY FROM A STATE AND LOCAL GOVERNMENT THAT HAS HANDS IN EVERYTHING I LOVE LIVING HERE AND MORE THE MORE I LEARN ABOUT THIS ISLAND HOUSING PROJECT.
IT'S SCARES ME TO THINK THIS TOWN COUNCIL WOULD NOT LET THE PRIVATE SECTOR HANDLE IT WITH NO COST TO THE TAXPAYERS.
THIS PRIVATELY FUNDED ISLAND HOUSING PROJECTS PAYS FOR EVERYTHING AND TAKES ALL THE RISK.
QUITE FRANKLY, I'M SHOCKED THAT THE BUILDINGS HAVE SAT AS LONG AS THEY HAVE ON SUCH A BEAUTIFUL ISLAND.
WITH NOTHING BEING DONE, YOU NOW HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO HELP THE UNIVERSITY AND THE WORKERS AT NO COST TO THE TOWN.
I, FOR ONE, AM WATCHING AND HOPING YOU MAKE A COMMON SENSICAL DECISION AND VOTE YES.
I WOULD HATE TO THINK THAT I'VE MOVED TO ANOTHER LOCATION THAT WILL CONTINUE DOWN THE PATH OF GOVERNMENT OVERREACH LIKE MASSACHUSETTS.
I FEEL WHEN THE GOVERNMENT STEPS IN, THEY WASTE TAXPAYERS MONEY WHEN THE PRIVATE SECTOR STEPS IN, IT DOESN'T BECAUSE THEY HAVE ALL THE SKIN IN THE GAME.
DANIEL ANTHONY, ONE MORE TIME.
YOU'VE HEARD A LOT OF DIFFERENT STORIES FROM A LOT OF DIFFERENT PEOPLE TALKING ABOUT A LOT OF DIFFERENT STUFF.
I MEAN, I'VE BEEN THROUGH THIS THING FOR ABOUT A MONTH NOW.
I DON'T KNOW ALL THE INS AND OUTS, BUT IF WE KEEP SITTING HERE, SITTING BACK IN OUR HEELS WAITING FOR THE PERFECT THING TO COME ALONG, WE'RE GONNA BE WAITING A LONG, LONG TIME.
WE'LL ALL BE DEAD BEFORE THAT HAPPENS.
ALL RIGHT, THIS IS A GREAT FIRST STEP.
I THINK Y'ALL NEED TO DO THE RIGHT THING.
I THINK YOU GUYS NEED TO, TO VOTE YES ON THIS, GET THIS STARTED.
IF IT DOESN'T WORK OUT, YOU CAN ALWAYS CHANGE IT.
YOU CAN ALWAYS, YOU CAN ALWAYS COME BACK AND SAY, NO, WE DON'T LIKE THIS.
YOU RAN ON THIS MAYOR PERRY, LET'S GET THESE GUYS TOGETHER.
I LIVE AT 15 HOVEY PLACE AND I'VE LOST MY VOICE BECAUSE OF MY ALLERGIES.
AND I'VE ALSO BEEN COUGHING BECAUSE OF MY ALLERGIES.
SO I'M GOING TO BE VERY BRIEF.
I'M HERE IN SUPPORT OF THE TEXT AMENDMENT.
WE HAVE A NEED ON THIS ISLAND.
WE HAVE PEOPLE THAT ARE WORKING HARD TO FILL THAT NEED.
ONE IN PARTICULAR HAS COME FOR TWO YEARS AND GONE THROUGH THIS PROCESS AND HE'S GOT THE SUPPORT OF MANY BUSINESSES AS WELL AS PEOPLE ON THE ISLAND.
MY PARENTS CAME TO THIS MEETING IN MY STEAD LAST MONTH AND STAYED TILL EIGHT O'CLOCK AND WERE SO DISAPPOINTED THAT WE DIDN'T PASS THIS.
SO I KNOW THERE ARE OTHER PEOPLE OUT HERE WHO REALLY WANNA SEE THIS COME TO FRUITION, SO I ENCOURAGE ALL OF YOU TO VOTE.
I LIVE AT ONE 10 CLUB COURSE DRIVE IN SEA PINES.
BEFORE I GET INTO MY LITTLE EDITION HERE, UH, I JUST WANTED TO REMIND THE COUNCIL OF WHAT THEY PERMITTED AN AQUAPHOR FOR HOUSING AND HOSPITAL AIDS, ET CETERA, AND THEY DID NOTHING.
OKAY? THAT HAS BEEN A DISASTER AND IT IS A BLIGHT ON YOUR RECORD WHOEVER WAS HERE AT THE TIME.
OKAY? AND I WAS VERY HAPPY TO HEAR THE TRAFFIC SITUATION TODAY BECAUSE IT PROVES THAT AS YEARS GO BY, TECHNOLOGY IS IMPROVING, EVERYTHING IS IMPROVING.
AND I WILL TELL YOU IF WE DON'T HAVE AN IMPROVEMENT ON THE CIRCLE, IT IS BECAUSE WE ARE DRAGGING OUR FEET.
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THERE ARE SOLUTIONS OUT THERE.AND I WILL NOW JUST GET TO THE, THE WORK AT HAND, UH, ALLOW, ALLOWING ME TO SPEAK, ET CETERA ABOUT THE DEVELOPMENT, THE SEA PINES DEVELOPMENT.
THERE APPEARS TO BE ANOTHER KICK THE CAN DOWN THE ROAD AS OF THE LAST MEETING TO PROLONG THE APPROVAL OF A LOCAL DEVELOPER TO PROVIDE THE NECESSARY WORKFORCE AND LOW INCOME HOUSING.
THIS ISLAND HAS SOUGHT FOR YEARS.
THIS IS A PARTNERSHIP WITH LOCAL BUSINESS TO SECURE HOUSING FOR THEIR EMPLOYEES THROUGH LONG-TERM LEASES WITH THE DEVELOPER WHO HAS ACTUALLY SPENT WELL IN EXCESS OF 2.5 TO PURCHASE AND MAINTAIN THIS PROPERTY FOR TWO AND A HALF YEARS.
CURRENT CHATTER AND DISCUSSION HAS, YOU KNOW, REVOLVED AROUND THE 12 YEAR PER ACRE L M O SITUATION.
WELL, THIS PARCEL HAD, AND THE, AND THE DEVELOPER HAS THE RIGHT TO 440 BEDROOM UNITS.
SECOND IS AN ISSUE THAT HAS BEEN ON THE TABLE FOR MANY YEARS AND IT SAID SOME POAS ARE NOT FAMILIAR WITH WHAT IS GOING ON IN THEIR BACKYARD AND THE TOWN COUNCIL AND THEN COME IN AT A LATE DATE AND TRY TO SET A SITUATION THAT IS NOT, UH, ACCURATE TO WHAT WE'VE BEEN DISCUSSING HERE FOR MONTHS.
REGARDING THE OTHER SITES, THIS L M O CHANGE IS SITE SPECIFIC AND NOT ISLAND WIDE.
IT REQUIRES NO MONEY FROM THE TAXPAYERS AND WE'LL PAY TAXES, WHICH NOBODY HAS DISCUSSED.
THIS IS A PRIVATE DEVELOPMENT FOLKS.
YOU GOT A PRIVATE HOUSE, YOU PAY TAXES, SO WE'LL BE GETTING MONEY RATHER THAN WHAT WE DID OVER AT U S T B.
OKAY? THE MENTION OF A SURGE RESTAURANT IS THE CORRECT IS NOT THE CORRECT VERSION THAT WE HEARD.
THE GROUP IS INVOLVEMENT WITH MANY OTHER BUSINESSES, SECURE LONG-TERM GUARANTEED LA LEASES SO THEY CAN SECURE HOUSING FOR THEIR EMPLOYEES AND OTHERS ON THE ISLAND FOR YEARS TO COME.
COUNCIL, LET ME BE VERY CANDID ABOUT THE LAST HURRAH FOR A TOTALLY MISPLACED, POLITICALLY MISMANAGED PLACING OF A US CB SATELLITE CAMPUS ON THE SOUTH END.
IF THIS CAMPUS DOES NOT GET THE FREE HOUSING BUILT INTO THIS PROJECT BY THIS DEVELOPER TO INCREASE ITS POULTRY EN ENROLLMENT, IT WILL BE FORCED TO CLOSE.
THERE IS MORE
MEMBERS OF TOWN COUNCIL AND TOWN MANAGER.
THE LAST TIME I ADDRESSED YOU REGARDING THIS PROJECT AT THE JULY 18TH TOWN COUNCIL MEETING, I CITED THREE EXAMPLES OF HOW THIS IS A TOTAL WIN-WIN WIN PROPOSITION FOR PEOPLE WHO WORK ON THIS ISLAND.
THE EMPLOYERS WHO EMPLOY THEM, INCLUDING OUR OWN HILTON HEAD HOSPITAL AND MAJOR HOSPITALITY EMPLOYERS FOR THE UNIVERSITY OF SOUTH CAROLINA SCHOOL OF HOSPITALITY.
AND FOR THE STUDENTS WHO ATTEND THAT UNIVERSITY, THE VAST MAJORITY OF THE STAKEHOLDERS ON THIS ISLAND, INCLUDING THE RESIDENTS, THE BUSINESS OWNERS, THE ACADEMICIANS, AND THE INTERMEDIATE LEVEL MANAGERS AND HEALTHCARE PROFESSIONALS WHO WILL BE THE DIRECT BENEFICIARIES OF THIS PROJECT, FULLY SUPPORT THIS COMBINED EFFORT OF A DEDICATED BUILDER WHO CARES ABOUT THE FUTURE OF THIS ISLAND AND THE EMPLOYERS WHO HAVE PARTNERED WITH HIM TO BRING MUCH NEEDED LIVING FACILITIES FOR WORKERS TO THIS ISLAND.
ONE OF THE BEST AND MOST ATTRACTIVE FEATURES OF THIS PROJECT TO THOSE OF US WHO LIVE HERE AND WORK HERE AND PAY TAXES HERE, IS THAT IT WILL PROVIDE THESE MUCH NEEDED RESIDENCES AND STUDENT DORMITORIES WITHOUT REQUIRING $1 OF OUR TAXPAYER MONEY.
THE, THE PROJECT CLEARLY TARGETS A LEVEL OF EMPLOYEE THAT INCLUDES NURSES AND OTHER HEALTHCARE PROFESSIONALS AND HIGHER LEVEL HOSPITALITY EMPLOYEES, SUCH AS MANAGERS AND CHEFS.
BY TARGETING THIS LEVEL OF POTENTIAL RENTERS, THE BUILD THIS BUILDER AND THE COMMITTED ISLAND EMPLOYERS HAVE REACHED A FORMULA THAT FULFILLS A VERY MUCH NEEDED PROVISION OF ISLAND BASED HOUSING FOR HARDWORKING EMPLOYEES AND STILL ALLOWS THE BUILDER TO MAKE A PROFIT SUFFICIENT TO MOTIVATE HIM TO EMBARK UPON THIS RATHER AMBITIOUS PROJECT.
THIS IS HOW FREE MARKET CAPITALISM WORKS, AND THIS IS AN ALMOST MIRACULOUS OPPORTUNITY FOR IT TO ALL COME TOGETHER FOR THE BENEFIT OF HILTON HEAD ISLAND.
ALMOST EVERY HILTON HEAD RESIDENT AND EMPLOYEE AND EMPLOYER RECOGNIZES THIS AS NOT ONLY A UNIQUE OPPORTUNITY, BUT ALSO AS THE BEST POSSIBLE USE FOR THIS PROPERTY, WHICH HAS BEEN A VIRTUALLY DESERTED EYESORE AND BLIGHT ON A VERY VISIBLE ISLAND PROPERTY FOR YEARS.
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OF TOWN COUNCIL ARE ATTEMPTING TO LINK THIS PROJECT INTO A PUBLIC-PRIVATE WORKFORCE HOUSING VENTURE.THIS PROJECT IS NOT THAT AND DOES NOT NEED TO BE.
YOU HAVE MULTIPLE OTHER SITES UPON WHICH TO PURSUE YOUR QUASI-GOVERNMENTAL WORKFORCE HOUSING VENTURES.
PLEASE SET ASIDE YOUR BIASES TOWARDS THE NECESSITY OF GOVERNMENT INVOLVEMENT IN HOUSING PROJECTS AND AFFECT THE REGULATORY CHANGES THAT NEED TO BE PUT IN PLACE SO THAT THIS UNIQUE PROJECT WHICH BENEFITS SO MANY MEMBERS OF OUR COMMUNITY, AS I LISTED ABOVE, TO PROCEED WITH ALL DUE SPEED.
THE COMMUNITY YOU REPRESENT IS ALMOST UNIVERSALLY IN FAVOR OF THIS PROJECT AND HAS WAITED LONG ENOUGH FOR ITS IMPLEMENTATION.
ARE Y'ALL COUNSEL? MY NAME'S BRENDAN RILEY, UH, SOUTHLAND HILTON, HEAD BORN AND RAISED HERE, UH, SECOND LARGEST HOSPITALITY, UH, WORKFORCE EMPLOYER ON THE ISLAND AND ALSO THE LANDOWNER OF THE ADJACENT PROPERTY AT RILEY'S PLAZA.
UM, I APPLAUD MR. DESPAIN FOR SOME OF THE THINGS HE'S DONE AND IT WILL GREATLY MAKE THE PROJECT LOOK BETTER NEXT TO US.
UM, MY BIGGEST ISSUE IS THE PARKING.
PARKING IT OFFSITE IS A MAJOR PROBLEM FOR ME.
AND WHEN YOU GO AND BUY A PIECE OF PROPERTY AND YOU DON'T DO THE DUE DILIGENCE TO SEE WHAT YOU CAN FIT ON IT AND ASK FOR, BEG AND COMPLAIN THAT YOU SPENT TOO MUCH MONEY ON IT IS A PROBLEM.
AND IF YOU COULD GET THE PARKING ON THE PROPERTY, WE WOULD 100% SUPPORT IT.
BUT TO ADD OFFSITE PARKING AND INCREASED DENSITY, IF YOU'RE GONNA DO THAT, I DON'T AGREE WITH MR. ALFORD OF CUTTING THE LINE AT THE PROPERTY LINE BECAUSE WE WOULD IMMEDIATELY MOVE TO THE SAME TYPE OF THING ON OUR PROPERTY.
AND NOW THE RESIDENTS OF SEA PINES, DO YOU WANNA SEE THOSE APARTMENTS RIGHT ON GREENWOOD DRIVE? SO I ENCOURAGE YOU TO VOTE NO.
DO, UM, NOW GENERAL COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC REGARDING ISLANDER MIXED USE.
THERE'S NO DOUBT THAT WE NEED WORKFORCE HOUSING.
IT'S, IT'S SAD TO ME AFTER BEING HERE FOR 50 YEARS.
I WISH WE WOULDN'T IN THIS HARD SITUATION BECAUSE WE, WE CAUSED IT.
IF WE HADN'T HAVE OVERDEVELOPED, WE HAD A MASTER LAND PLAN 45 YEARS AGO, WE, NONE OF US WOULD BE HERE TODAY.
IT, IT'S JUST AS SIMPLE AS THAT.
WE WOULDN'T HAVE ANY TRAFFIC PROBLEMS, WE DIDN'T HAVE ANYTHING.
WE WOULD'VE THE CHARLES FRAZIER VISION, HI HIGH END TOURISM RESORT COMMUNITY AND WE WOULDN'T HAVE THE PROBLEMS WE GOT, BUT WE'RE HERE, WE'RE IN IT.
WE GOTTA FIX IT AND WE CAN'T GO BACK.
UM, I'VE GOT A LITTLE NOVEL IDEA HERE.
YOU KNOW, YOU, UH, I'M REAL BIG ABOUT TAX MONIES, UH, NOT USING PUBLIC TAX MONIES FOR PRIVATE PURPOSES.
UH, FIRST OF ALL, IT'S AGAINST CONSTITUTIONAL LAW.
AND THIS IS EXACTLY WHY, AGAIN, I'M GONNA JUST EDUCATE EVERYBODY IN HERE WHY A LAW WAS FILED AGAINST A TOWN FOR FUNDING 600,000 FOR THE DREDGING OF HARBORTOWN.
THAT IS AN ILLEGAL USE OF PUBLIC TAX MONIES.
NOW, WHAT I AM FOR IS LET'S LET THE TOURIST PAY FOR SOME OF THIS STUFF.
LET'S TAKE THE ACCOMMODATION TAXES AND THE HOSPITALITY TAXES.
AND FOR THOSE WHO DON'T KNOW WHAT THOSE ARE, ACCOMMODATION, TAXES OR TAXES ON THE ROOM, RENTALS AND STUFF THAT THE TOURISTS, UH, PAY A PORTION OF, AND THEN THE FOOD AND BEVERAGE ON THE HOSPITALITY TAX.
LET'S USE SOME OF THAT MONEY AND LET'S DEFUND THE NONPROFITS.
AND YES, I'M REAL BIG ABOUT THE CHAMBER NOT BEING FUNDED ANY LONGER AS EVERYBODY IN THIS ROOM KNOWS.
LET'S GET RID OF THAT AND GET THE CHAMBER BACK TO BE IN THE CHAMBER AND FORGET ABOUT THE TAX MONIES.
AND LET'S TAKE SOME OF THE HOSPITALITY AND ACCOMMODATION TAX MONIES.
I'M ALL FOR THAT KIND OF TAX MONEY BEING USED TO PUT TOWARDS THE, UH, WORK, UH, FORCE HOUSING.
LET THE TOURISTS HELP US PAY, NOT JUST THE LOCALS.
LET TOURISTS PAY FOR ALL THIS.
THERE ARE 3 MILLION TOURISTS COMING ON THIS ISLAND AND THERE'S 45,000 LOCALS.
DO YOU NOT THINK WE CAN ANSWER TOURISTS TO PAY TO HELP PROTECT OUR ENVIRONMENT AND PROTECT OUR ISLAND AND, AND DO ALL THE THINGS WE NEED TO DO? I THINK WE CAN DO THIS.
BULLARD HILTON HAD PLANTATION.
I'M GONNA BE, UM, DEVIL'S ADVOCATE HERE.
WE ALL SEEM TO HAVE FORGOTTEN THAT U S C B WAS BUILT WITH TIFF FUNDS.
THAT MEANS THERE WERE COMPANIES, THE SCHOOL DISTRICT, THE WATER, THE WATER COMPANY, WHATEVER YOU WANNA CALL 'EM, WHO
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GAVE UP 10 YEARS OF INCREASED TAXES TO BUILD U S C P.NOW IS THE TOWN GONNA TURN THEIR BACK ON ALL THESE PEOPLE WHO INVESTED IN THESE STUDENTS OR ARE THEY'RE GONNA HOPE THAT IT SINKS BECAUSE THEN THAT BUILDING GOES BACK TO THE TOWN.
OUR STUDENTS ARE OUR FUTURE, OUR COMMUNITY IS OUR FUTURE.
WHAT'S WRONG WITH BUILDING WORKFORCE HOUSING FOR OUR WORKERS AND OUR STUDENTS? SOME ARE HUNG UP ON DOTTING THE I CROSSING THE T STALL STALL WHEN I THINK THEY ALREADY HAVE A PREMEDITATION TO VOTING.
THANK YOU FIRST OF ALL FOR LISTENING.
UM, WE'VE WORKED WITH, UH, I'M SORRY, I'M BETH.
I'M WITH UNIVERSITY OF SOUTH CAROLINA BEAUFORT, CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICER AND, UH, VICE CHANCELLOR FOR ADMINISTRATION.
AND OVER THE PAST FOUR YEARS SINCE I CAME TO U S C B AND CAME TO TO BEAUFORT, UM, THE, WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON THIS THAT RIGHT AFTER THE, THE HILTON HEAD ISLAND CAMPUS OPENED.
AND SINCE THAT TIME, I'VE MET WITH, WELL, MORE THAN A DOZEN PRIVATE DEVELOPERS WHO HAVE WANTED TO HELP US BUILD HOUSING.
AND IT WASN'T UNTIL TWO YEARS AGO, UH, WHEN MR. AMES, OR I'M SORRY, MR. AMES, MR. DESPAIN, UM, UH, REACHED OUT TO US AND, UM, TALKED ABOUT, UH, THE, HIS, HIS IDEA.
AND FIRST HE LISTENED TO WHAT WE COULD AND COULD NOT DO.
AND THEN HE CAME UP WITH A PROPOSAL, WHICH WAS UNUSUALLY UNIQUE FROM ANY OF THE OTHERS THAT WE HAVE HEARD.
IT WAS THE FIRST ONE THAT BROUGHT 100% EQUITY THAT BROUGHT NO TAXPAYER DOLLARS, NO STATE DOLLARS TO THE, TO THE TABLE.
UM, THE ONLY THING WE WERE ASKED TO BRING TO THE TABLE WAS 75 PARKING SPACES.
AND IN, AND IN EXCHANGE FOR THAT, WE GET 64 BEDS.
SO 64 OF OUR STUDENTS WILL BE PARKING IN THOSE 75 PARKING SPACES.
UM, WE, WE, WE, I CAN'T TELL YOU HOW MUCH, HOW CRITICAL THIS IS TO THE GROWTH OF OUR HOSPITALITY MANAGEMENT PROGRAM AND THE SUCCESS OF THE CAMPUS THAT THE COUNT HAS BEEN SO GENEROUS TO INVEST IN.
WE ARE COMMITTED TO MAKING SURE THAT COUNT, THAT THAT BUILDING CONTINUE, THAT PROGRAM CONTINUES TO BE SUCCESSFUL.
AND THIS IS ONE WAY FORWARD TO DOING THAT.
SO AGAIN, THANK YOU FOR ALL THE GOOD QUESTIONS, FOR ALL THE GOOD, ANSWERING THE HARD, ASKING THE HARD QUESTIONS, LISTENING TO US, LISTENING TO THE PEOPLE SO THAT WHEN THIS COMES OUT AS A FINAL VOTE, WE KNOW THAT WE'RE GONNA GET THE BEST POSSIBLE PROJECT AS POSSIBLE.
THANKS FOR GIVING ME THE OPPORTUNITY.
NOW THAT WE'VE GONE BY THE AFTERNOON, UH, LISTENING TO ALL OF THE COMMENTS BACK AND FORTH AND WHAT WE'RE DISCUSSING, I'VE LIVED HERE FOR 22 YEARS.
SMART DECISION WHEN I CAME HERE.
AND I STILL FEEL IT'S A SMART DECISION.
I LOOK AT THIS PROJECT AS BEING FOR THE RESIDENTS THAT LIVE ON THE ISLAND.
SO MUCH HAS BEEN DONE HERE FOR THE TOURISM OVER MY 22 YEARS.
BUT HERE'S THE PROJECTS FOR THE RESIDENTS, THE EMTS THAT COME OUT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT WHEN YOU BROKE YOUR LEG AND THEY'RE THERE IN SIX MINUTES PICKING YOU UP.
THE TEACHERS, QUALIFIED TEACHERS THAT TEACH IN YOUR SCHOOL SYSTEM.
WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE PERFORMANCE OF THE HILTON HEAD SCHOOLS VERSUS THE TOTAL COUNTY OF SOUTH CAROLINA, THE POLICEMEN THAT PROTECT YOU, THE FIREMEN THAT PROTECT YOU, THESE PEOPLE NEED SOMETHING.
WE HAVE TWO NEW APARTMENT COMPLEXES OUT ON THE ISLAND BEHIND KROGER WATERWORLD, WHERE THE RENTS OUT ABOUT $4,000 FOR A TWO BEDROOM UNIT.
THEN THE OTHER, I HAVE TO SAY MONSTROSITY THAT WAS BUILT OUT TO THE CURB ON, UH, LEG OF MUTTON IS FULLY RENTED, YOU KNOW, AND THAT'S UP IN THE, THEY'RE ABLE TO BE PRICE MARK OFF OF WATER WORLD AND THEY'RE UP A LOT HIGHER.
WE WANT QUALITY PEOPLE HERE TO PROVIDE THE SERVICES IN A VERY COMPETITIVE MARKET, BUT WE WANT THEM HERE TO SERVE US.
WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS A RIPPLE IN THE POND OF THE NEED FOR HOUSING.
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HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO TAKE A FIRST STEP AND SOMETHING ON WHICH WE CAN BUILD AND MEET NEEDS FURTHER.WE CAN MAKE A STATEMENT HERE ABOUT WHAT WE CAN DO TO HELP THE PEOPLE THAT SERVICE US TO LIVE HERE BECAUSE THE GAP IS GETTING WIDER FROM THE AFFLUENT ON THE ISLAND TO THE WORKING PEOPLE.
THEY'RE DRIVEN BY HOURLY WAGES.
SO IT IS IN YOUR HANDS, DO WHAT YOU WANT TO DO, BUT I REALLY THINK IT'S A BIG WIN FOR THE RESIDENTS.
DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER COMMENTS? YES, SIR.
KEN CAMPBELL, RESIDENT OF HILTON HEAD ISLAND.
I AM A GREAT SUPPORTER OF WORKFORCE HOUSING.
I'VE DEVOTED TIME, ENERGY, AND TREASURY TO IT.
AND WE'LL CONTINUE TO DO THAT.
AND I THINK YOU'VE HEARD FROM EVERYBODY IN THIS ROOM VIRTUALLY THAT THEY'RE SUPPORTERS OF WORKFORCE HOUSING.
I WON'T TURN AROUND AND ASK, BUT I THINK RAISE HANDS.
YOU'LL SEE A LOT OF HANDS GO UP.
THE ONLY PERSON I DON'T THINK IN THIS ROOM IS DEDICATED TO LONG-TERM WORKFORCE HOUSING SOLUTION.
MR. THE SPAIN, THE PROJECT HE IS PROPOSING DOES NOT ACCOMPLISH THAT PURPOSE.
SOME PEOPLE HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO STUDY THIS STEEP ENOUGH.
IF YOU LOOK AT WHAT THIS PROJECT WILL BE, COULD BE IN 15, 20 YEARS, COULD BE 100% RETIREES.
YOU CAN WALK HERE, WALK THERE.
THERE IS NO RESTRICTION ON THIS PROJECT THAT PROTECTS WORKFORCE HOUSING.
EVERY SPEAKER UP HERE HAS TALKED ABOUT WORKFORCE HOUSING AND THE CAMPUS.
THIS IS NOT A WORKFORCE HOUSING PROJECT.
I ASK EACH OF YOU TO LOOK AT YOUR LEGACY.
PEOPLE SAID HERE 40 YEARS AGO, WE'RE CELEBRATING THAT.
WHAT WOULD THEY THINK? IF A COUNCIL 40 YEARS LATER IS GOING TO REPROVE A DENSITY OF OVER 30 PER ACRE ON A PARCEL OF GROUND, THEY'D BE ROLLING.
THOSE WHO ARE STILL ALIVE, I APOLOGIZE.
OTHERS WOULD BE ROLLING OVER THEIR GRAVES.
WHAT IS YOUR LEGACY 40 YEARS FROM NOW? THIS PROJECT IS NOT WORKFORCE.
IT'S HIGH DENSITY, 30 UNITS PER ACRE.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT MAJOR CITY CENTERS.
SO PLEASE RECOGNIZE IT'S NOT WORKFORCE HOUSING WITH RESPECT TO U SS C B.
PEOPLE HAVE SPOKEN ABOUT THAT KIND OF A MISTAKE ON THE LAKE HERE.
LOOK AT THE DOCUMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN SUBMITTED TO YOU, BOTH FROM THE WORKFORCE ASPECT, FROM THOSE THOSE COMPANIES.
U S C B HAS A LETTER OF INTENT.
IN THAT LETTER OF INTENT, THEY GIVE UP 34% OF THEIR PARKING SPACES.
DO THEY GET COMPENSATED FOR THAT? YES.
AND THAT THEY MAY GET WORKED FOR SOME, UH, SOME STUDENTS THERE.
HOWEVER, LOOK IN THE DETAIL THERE.
AND YOU'LL ALSO SEE THAT THERE'S A COMPENSATION ELEMENT.
HOW MUCH IS U S C B GETTING FROM THE DEVELOPER? I WOULD MAKE SURE THAT BOTH THE DEVELOPER AND THE UNIVERSITY SAY, THERE'S NO FINANCIAL COMPENSATION.
PLEASE LOOK INTO THESE ISSUES BEFORE YOU TAKE YOUR VOTE AND COMMIT YOURSELF.
ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENT? MS. RUFFNER? HELLO, CHRIS RUFFNER.
UM, I DIDN'T PREPARE ANYTHING 'CAUSE I DIDN'T THINK IT I WAS GONNA BE HERE, BUT I DO WANNA SAY COUNTER WHAT HE JUST SAID, BECAUSE WE HAVE THE BIGGEST EMPLOYER THAT'S, UM, YOU KNOW, IN BUFORT COUNTY WHO IS ACTUALLY SUPPORTING THIS PROJECT.
SO I DON'T KNOW WHY, IF IT WASN'T, YOU KNOW, IF IT DIDN'T CONFORM TO WORKFORCE HOUSING, WHY HE WOULD BE FOR IT.
AND EVEN RILEY'S OR THE SECOND BIGGEST IS ALSO FOR IT, EXCEPT FOR A FEW PARKING SPACES, BUT THEY'RE ALSO USING USE FOR THE U S C B.
SO THOSE PARKING SPACES, UM, ARE UTILIZED FOR THAT.
AND THEN AS FAR AS PATSY, UM, WE'VE ALREADY SEEN NOW THE WORK FOR THE, YOU KNOW, OUR EMPLOYERS HERE HAVE ALREADY SAID THAT THEY MAKE MORE THAN WHAT YOU SAW ON THAT CHART.
SO PLEASE TAKE THAT INTO ACCOUNT.
AS FAR AS YOURS, YOU WANT ZERO TO 90%, BUT
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THAT THE, YOU'RE GOING OFF THE CHART THAT YOU SEE THAT'S FLAWED.SO JUST TAKE THAT INTO ACCOUNT.
I LIVE IN LONG COVE AND I JUST WANNA MAKE A VERY SHORT STATEMENT.
I'VE COME TO ALL THESE MEETINGS AND WATCHED THE NEVER ENDING TALK TO THE POINT WHERE SOMETIMES THAT I'M HERE, I FEEL LIKE I MIGHT HAVE A BREAKDOWN BECAUSE YOU JUST DON'T SEEM TO BE ABLE TO MOVE FORWARD.
YOU JUST TALK AND TALK AND TALK.
AND I HAVE BEEN LOOKING AT THIS UGLY LIGHTED AREA OF OURS FOR OVER TWO YEARS NOW, AND IT'S RIGHT IN THE HEART OF OUR TOURIST SYSTEM.
WE HAVE THIS UGLY, UGLY AREA BECAUSE YOU CANNOT MAKE A DECISION AND COME TO SOME FINAL CONCLUSION ON THIS PROJECT.
HERE'S A MAN WILLING TO SPEND HIS OWN MONEY, BIT DOWN ON EVERYTHING YOU'VE ASKED HIM.
AND STILL, THERE ARE MEMBERS HERE WHO CONTINUE TO N NAG AT HIM, NAG AT HIM FOR MORE AND MORE THINGS.
YOU HAVE GOT TO SIT DOWN SOMETIME TODAY AND MAKE A DECISION ON THIS PROJECT.
YOU HAVE REALLY MOVED THIS MAN AROUND TOO LONG.
I'M JUST VERY DISAPPOINTED IN THIS ENTIRE COUNCIL.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS? I, YES MA'AM.
HELLO, I'M EVA SMITH AND I'M THE DEPARTMENT CHAIR FOR THE HOSPITALITY MANAGEMENT PROGRAM AT THE UNIVERSITY OF SOUTH CAROLINA BEAUFORT AND OUR C F O, BETH PATRICK, WHO SPOKE CHIEF FEW MINUTES AGO, SENT ME UP HERE BECAUSE SHE, YOU KNOW, WANTED ME TO CLARIFY THAT U S C B IS NOT MAKING ANY MONEY OFF OF THIS.
ALL OUR BIG PERK IS THAT YES, IT'S A RECRUITING TOOL.
WE WANT 64 STU MORE STUDENTS IN HOSPITALITY MANAGEMENT.
THE OTHER THING IS THAT WE HAVE THE RIGHT OF FIRST REFUSAL ON THOSE 64 ROOMS. SO SHOULD WE NOT BE ABLE TO FILL THEM? SOMEBODY ELSE CAN HAVE THEM, WHICH THOSE INDIVIDUALS WILL, WILL, WILL WORK HERE, WILL BE WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT, HOUSING, ANYBODY THAT LIVES THERE, IT'S WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT, HOUSING.
IT, IT'S JUST, IT MAKES SENSE.
IT'S A GREAT THING FOR U S C V.
I'VE BEEN IN, ON A TV ON A TV THING, WHICH SCARED THE BEGOLE OUT OF ME, BUT I DID IT.
I WAS ON THIS VIDEO, SCARED THE BEGOLE OUT OF ME, BUT I DID IT STANDING IN FRONT OF YOU.
ALL SCARES THE BEGOLE OUT OF ME.
I'VE DONE IT THREE TIMES NOW AND I ONLY REMEMBERED MY NAME THIS TIME AND, BUT I WORE MY, MY NAME TAG, SO SEE, I WANTED TO BE SURE.
BUT ANYWAY, WE'RE, WE ARE VERY APPRECIATIVE.
WE'RE VERY EXCITED ABOUT THIS OPPORTUNITY AND I KNOW IT'S A LONG DAY FOR EVERYBODY.
I'VE SAT THROUGH PROBABLY 10 HOURS OF THIS CONVERSATION, BUT IT'S WORTH EVERY MINUTE IF WE CAN MOVE THIS FORWARD.
HAVE WE NOT GOTTEN ANYBODY YET, OR ANYBODY STILL NEED TO SPEAK? OKAY.
SEEING THAT WE'RE GONNA BRING IT BACK TO COUNCIL, UM, AND GIVE EVERYBODY JUST A MOMENT TO, TO WRAP UP.
IT'S BEEN A LOT, SAID, UH, MR. BROWN, I KNOW YOU WANTED TO SAY SOMETHING EARLIER AND YOU WAITED UNTIL NOW.
UM, I, I REALLY APPRECIATE WHY WE ARE HERE.
MR. DE SPAIN, YOU ARE LOOKING AT AN OPPORTUNITY TO MOVE THE SITUATION, AND I HAVE A LOT OF RESPECT FOR THAT.
IN ORDER TO MAKE YOUR PROJECT WORK, OBVIOUSLY YOU NEED SOMETHING FROM US AS A GOVERNMENT THAT'S DENSITY, TO BOIL IT DOWN TO ITS LEAST COMMON DENOMINATOR.
AND AS I LOOK AT THE BREAKDOWN OF THE UNITS, AND I APPRECIATE THAT WE'VE GONE TO 20%.
80% WILL BE SOMETHING THAT YOU WILL BE NEGOTIATING WITH POTENTIAL, UH, CLIENTS, VARIOUS RESTAURANTS, SERVICE PROVIDERS AND SO ON.
OKAY? AND FOR TODAY, I WALKED IN HERE WITH A VERY OPEN MIND ABOUT THIS, OKAY? VERY
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OPEN MIND.BUT I GOTTA SAY THAT SLIDE THAT MR. TILLER PROVIDED, THAT SHOWS THAT WE WILL NOT BE SERVICING 70% OF OUR WORKERS.
YOU KNOW, I'VE BEEN HERE ALL MY LIFE UNTIL NOW.
SAY THAT A CERTAIN CLASS OF PEOPLE, BECAUSE THEY DON'T MAKE ENOUGH MONEY TO LIVE ON HILTON HEAD, CAN'T PARTICIPATE IN YOUR PROJECT.
OKAY? SO THERE ARE A LOT OF GOOD THINGS ABOUT THE PROJECT.
UH, WE'RE FIXING DILAPIDATED BUILDINGS.
WE'RE HELPING U S C B AND WE'RE MAKING CONTRACTS WITH FOLKS THAT, UM, ARE IN A POSITION WHERE THEY CAN HELP THEIR EMPLOYEES.
BUT THE 26 UNITS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS, IS WHAT'S BUGGING ME.
OKAY? SO WITH THAT YOU CURRENT MOTION THAT'S ON THE TABLE, I WILL NOT BE ABLE TO SUPPORT UNLESS THE A M I IS ADJUSTED.
UH, I WANNA MAKE IT PERFECTLY CLEAR, CLEAR.
I'VE LOOKED AT EVERYTHING FOLKS HAVE SENT TO ME,
I'M NOT RELYING ON THE ONE CHART THAT THE STAFF THAT, THAT ASKED THE STAFF PULL UP TODAY.
I'M RELYING ON ALL OF THE INFORMATION.
UM, SECONDLY, UM, I AM STILL BOTHERED BY, UM, WHAT FOLKS KEEP TRYING TO CALL THIS.
SOME FOLKS KEEP TRYING TO CALL THIS IT'S WORKFORCE HOUSING AND OTHER FOLKS SAY IT'S NOT, IT'S MARKET HOUSING.
UM, SO FISHER CUT BANK IS ALL OF THE ABOVE.
UM, THE MOTION, AS I UNDERSTAND IT, DOES NOT TIE THE SHARED PARKING SPECIFICALLY TO EDUCATIONAL USE FOR SO LONG AS IT'S USED FOR EDUCATIONAL USE AND ALSO DOES NOT TIE IT TO THE NUMBER OF BEDS.
SO, AS I UNDERSTAND THE MOTION, UM, TO BE EXTRA SHARED PARKING, AND IT COULD BE USED FOR VARIOUS PUBLICIS.
UM, SO I'M BOTHERED BY THAT PART OF IT.
I'M ALSO CONTINUED TO BE BOTHERED BY, UM, UH, THE POLICY THAT PREVIOUS TOWN COUNCIL ADOPTED TO REQUIRE WORKFORCE HOUSING TO BE GOOD FOR 30 YEARS.
I'VE ALREADY MENTIONED AQUA TERRA.
I STAND BY WHAT I SAID I PUT WAS A MISTAKE.
UM, AND, AND I DO NOT WANNA MAKE THAT SAME KIND OF MISTAKE.
THAT'S WHY I MADE THE MOTION THAT I DID AT THE PREVIOUS TOWN COUNCIL MEETING, WHICH THE TOWN COUNCIL SUPPORTED AT THE TIME.
AND, AND SO I DO SUPPORT THAT AMENDMENT.
NOW THAT I'VE SEEN THE SPECIFIC LANGUAGE, UM, I'M STILL THINKING ABOUT EXACTLY WHAT TO DO.
UM, I, I'D LIKE TO HEAR WHAT MR. AMES HAS TO SAY, BUT I WANNA PROPOSE AN AMENDMENT TO THE MOTION AFTER HE SPEAKS.
MR. STANFORD, ANY COMMENTS? YOU'VE HEARD MY COMMENTS.
ANYTHING ADDITIONAL? UH, ONLY ONE SLIGHT, MINOR THING IS THAT I THINK WE SHOULD LOOK AT THE APPROPRIATE TIME AT THE CONTRACTS THAT, UH, THE DEVELOPER WILL ENTER WITH OUR VARIOUS MERCHANTS, PARTICULARLY WITH RESPECT TO RENEWAL RIGHTS, TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY GO ON FOR A PERIOD OF TIME THAT THE EMPLOYERS ARE PROTECTED, AVAILABLE.
YOU'RE NOT SUPPOSED BE AVAILABLE.
UM, TO PATSY'S COMMENT, I WANT TO POINT SOMETHING OUT AGAIN FROM EARLIER TODAY.
AGAIN, SOME EARLIER TODAY DURING THE FINANCE AND ADMINISTRATIVE MEETING, THERE WAS A PROPOSAL MADE BY THE COASTAL COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION THAT WAS ENTHUSIASTICALLY, UM, RECEIVED AND RECOMMENDED TO MOVE ON TO THE TOWN COUNCIL FOR FURTHER CONSIDERATION.
THOSE WHO ARE OPPOSING THIS OVERWHELMINGLY AND ENTHUSIASTICALLY SUPPORTED THAT PROGRAM, NOTING THIS TO YOU ALL AND REMINDING THOSE WHO ATTENDED THAT MEETING, NON-PROFITS PROVIDE RED, RED SERVED 50% TO 120% A M I, NOT ZERO TO 120%, BUT INDEED 50% TO 120% A M I.
AND YOU ARE ALL IN FAVOR OF THAT, THAT WHICH WILL COST THIS TOWN INITIALLY $600,000, AND THEN AN OPTION
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FOR RECURRING COSTS YEAR AFTER YEAR TO BE PUT INTO THAT.SO I WOULD LIKE TO JUST JUDGE LEE, REMIND YOU THAT THIS SHE SUPPORTED, AND HERE YOU'RE HAVING DIFFICULTIES WITH IT.
I'LL BRIEFLY SHARE WHAT I SEE AS THE VULNERABILITIES OF THE TAX AMENDMENT.
ONE, THE COMMITMENT OF 20% A M I WORKFORCE HOUSING UNITS WILL EXPIRE NOW JUST 15 YEARS.
APPROVAL OF THE AMENDMENT SIMPLY PUSHES THE HOUSING CRISIS DOWN THE ROAD TO ANOTHER TIME.
AND COUNCIL, THIS COUNCIL KNOWS IT MUST THINK LONGER TERM IN SUPPORT OF WORKFORCE HOUSING.
THE REMAINING UNITS ARE OR WILL BE FOR ISLAND EMPLOYEES WITHOUT WORKFORCE HOUSING, WITHOUT A WORKFORCE HOUSING PROVISION FOR THESE UNITS.
THE PROJECT IS A MARKET RATE APARTMENT COMPLEX.
I WILL REMIND EVERYONE THAT BASICALLY THE SAME PRESENTATION THAT WE HAVE HEARD OVER A NUMBER OF MONTHS IS PRECISELY THE SAME PRESENTATION WE HEARD FOR ACCU.
50% OF THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN AQUA COME FROM OUTTA STATE.
THAT WAS PITCHED AS A WORKFORCE HOUSING PROGRAM, OUR, UH, PROJECT, BUT IT DID NOT HAVE A LONG-TERM COMMITMENT THAT SOME PERCENTAGE OF THOSE UNITS WERE GOING TO REMAIN AS WORKFORCE OVER TIME.
ALSO, REMIND ALL OF US THAT WORKFORCE HOUSING IS THE REASON SUBSTANTIAL CONCESSIONS ARE ON THE TABLE.
VIRTUALLY EVERY PERSON WHO PRESENTED TODAY SAID, WE'RE GETTING WORKFORCE HOUSING WITHOUT TAX DOLLARS.
A PROJECT IS PITCHED AS A WORKFORCE HOUSING PROJECT, BUT IT DOESN'T HAVE LANGUAGE THAT PROTECTS IT AS WORKFORCE HOUSING.
OVER TIME, THESE CONCESSIONS REWRITE EXISTING L M O REGULATIONS IN MATERIAL WAYS, DENSITY, OFFSITE PARKING WORK, WORKFORCE HOUSING STANDARDS.
THE TEXT AMENDMENT INCREASES 440 BY RIGHT UNITS TO A PROPOSED 1084 IN THE TEXT AMENDMENT.
THE TEXT AMENDMENT PER PERMITS SHARED PARKING ON PUBLIC PROPERTY FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT.
BUT THE L M O HAS PRO PROHIBITED IT FOR BUSINESSES THAT HAVE BEEN ON THE ISLAND FOR DECADES AND COULD HAVE BENEFITED FROM IT.
FURTHER, THE TEXT AMENDMENT PERMITS SHARED PARKING FOR RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENTS.
THIS IS PROHIBITED BY THE L M O.
THESE CONCESSIONS ARE JUSTIFIED OR PRUDENT, OR THE TEXT AMENDMENT AMOUNTS TO CREATING PUBLIC POLICY FOR A SINGLE DEVELOPER BEFORE THERE IS A COMMUNITY PLANNING PROCESS.
NEXT MONTH, THE PUBLIC PLANNING COMMITTEE WILL BE HEARING THE PRESENTATION BY STAFF ON THE BRIDGE TO THE BEACH, UH, DISTRICT PLAN, WHICH INCLUDES THIS VARIED PROPERTY.
THE RISK IS DECISIONS ARE MADE MERRILY AND IN ISOLATION OF BROADER IMPACTS AND OF COMMUNITY, I BEG YOUR PARDON, AND OF COMMUNITY EXPECTATIONS AND NEEDS.
FINALLY, THIS IS SPOT ZONING, PURE AND SIMPLE FROM THE BEGINNING AND AN APPLICATION.
CONSEQUENTLY, IT COULD BE CHALLENGED IN COURT.
I HAVE BEEN ON COUNCIL LONG ENOUGH TO HAVE SEEN THE RISKS ADOPTING
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DEVELOPER DRIVEN ZONING CHANGES IN TEXT AMENDMENTS.THEY ARE FRAUGHT WITH RISKS, UNFORESEEN CONSEQUENCES, AND CERTAIN PUBLIC CRITICISM.
AGAIN, THINK OF KUTERRA AND THINK OF WHAT'S HAPPENING ON FOLLY FIELD ROAD.
I DIDN'T SUPPORT THOSE REZONINGS AND I CAN'T SUPPORT THIS TEXT AMENDMENT.
I HOPE THIS HAS GIVEN CITIZENS PAUSE, JUDGE FOR THEMSELVES WHETHER THIS TEXT AMENDMENT IS GOOD PUBLIC POLICY AND SHOULD BE APPROVED BY COUNSEL.
BUT I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION BECAUSE I FEEL STRONGLY THAT IF THIS IS GOING TO MOVE FORWARD FOR IT TO BE A BENEFIT TO THIS COMMUNITY LONG TERM, IT HAS TO RESTRICT TO SOME DEGREE THE USE OF THAT BUILDING FOR WORKFORCE HOUSING.
ROBERT RULE YOU HAVE A MOTION ON TAPE.
I I KNOW I WAS GOING TO MOVE TO AMEND THE MOTION.
WE DO, WE AMEND THE FIRST, WE AMEND THIS MOTION THAT I MAKING.
WE VOTE ON THAT AND THEN WE VOTE ON THE AMENDED.
NO, WE, WE VOTE ON THE, THE MOTION.
NO, WE VOTE ON THE AMENDMENT FIRST.
SECOND, I'M MOVING TO AMEND MOTION.
MR. AMES PROPOSAL WOULD BE AN INTERVENING MOTION, WHICH HE MAY MAKE.
MY MOTION IS TO APPROVE THE ISLANDERS MIXED USE TEXT AMENDMENT WITH A FOLLOWING AMENDMENT.
THERE SHALL BE THREE HOUSING TYPES, STUDENT HOUSING UNITS, WORKFORCE HOUSING UNITS, AND ISLANDER MIXED USE UNITS.
STUDENT HOUSING UNITS SHALL BE ONLY, SHALL ONLY BE REQUIRED IF A PROJECT IS SHARED PARKING AGREEMENT WITH AN EDUCATIONAL USE.
THE STUDENT HOUSING UNITS ARE A SEPARATE CATEGORY AND ARE COUNTED SEPARATELY.
WORKFORCE HOUSING UNITS AND HIGHLANDER MIXED USE HOUSING.
20% OF THE TOTAL WORKFORCE HOUSING UNITS AND HIGHLAND OF MIXED USE UNITS SHALL BE WORKFORCE HOUSING UNITS RENTED TO HOUSEHOLDS EARNING UP TO 90%.
NOW WE HAVE TO CHANGE THAT TOWARDS THE MOTION.
1 20 20 OF THE AREA MEDIAN, GO AHEAD.
20 COURT, BEAUFORT COUNTY AT DEFINED BY THE DEPARTMENT OF HOUSING AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT OF THE REMAINING 80% OF THE TOTAL WORKFORCE HOUSING IN HIGHLANDER, MIXED USE UNITS.
75% WILL BE RENTED TO HOUSEHOLDS WITH AT LEAST ONE RESIDENT OF TOWN OF HILTON HEAD ISLAND, WHO IS EMPLOYED FULL-TIME IN THE TOWN OF HILTON HEAD ISLAND.
FOLLOWING THE GUIDELINES SPECIFIED IN THE ISLAND OF MIXED USE WORKFORCE HOUSING AGREEMENT REQUIREMENTS, WORKFORCE HOUSING UNITS AND ISLANDER MIXED USE UNITS MUST ADHERE TO THE REQUIREMENTS IN THE HIGHLANDER MIXED USE WORKFORCE HOUSING AGREEMENT FOR A MINIMUM OF 20 YEARS FROM THE DATE OF THE CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY FOR THE COMPLETION OF CONSTRUCTION.
THE PROJECT THAT INCLUDES WORKFORCE HOUSING UNITS AND HIGHLANDER MIXED USE.
THESE REQUIREMENTS SHALL BE EVIDENCED BY COVENANTS OR OTHER DOCUMENTS RECORDED IN THE OFFICE OF BUFORD COUNTY.
ANNUAL VERIFICATION OF THE WORKFORCE, HOUSING AND HIGHLAND EMPLOYEE REQUIREMENTS IS REQUIRED.
IS THERE A SECOND? IS THERE A SECOND? OKAY.
PLEASE LET, LET, PLEASE, PLEASE.
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TOGETHER ON THIS.UM, FIRST, UH, I NEED TO CLEAR UP THE RECORD.
UM, I DID NOT VOTE ON THE PROPOSAL.
I'M NOT A MEMBER OF THE FINANCE ADMINISTRATIVE COMMITTEE.
I WAS THERE FOR THE PRESENTATION.
IN ADDITION TO THE LANGUAGE THAT MS. BECKER READ, UH, THE PROPOSAL SAYS UNITS MUST BE RENTED AT DEFINED AMIS.
20% MUST BE AT 50%, 55% CAN BE UP TO 80%.
I WANT TO CLARIFY THAT FOR THE RECORD, 25% CAN BE OVER 81%.
UM, JUST TO CLARIFY THAT FOR THE RECORD, UM, I MOVE TO AMEND THE MOTION ON THE FLOOR TO PROVIDE THAT THE SHARED PARKING ON THE EDUCATION USED PROPERTY IS ONLY FOR SO LONG AS THE PROPERTY IS USED FOR EDUCATION USE AND IS LIMITED TO THE SAME NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES AS THE NUMBER OF BEDS PROVIDED IN STUDENT HOUSING AND EDUCATION USE.
IN ADDITION, THAT THE WORKFORCE HOUSING, YOU MUST BE RENTED HOUSEHOLDS EARNING UP TO 120% OR A MINIMUM OF 20 YEARS.
THAT'S MY MOTION THERE A SECOND.
IS THERE A SECOND? MOTION FAILS.
SO WITH THAT SAID, EVERY COUNCIL PERSON'S HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK.
THE TOWN FOR MANY YEARS HAS TRIED TO WORK ON HOUSING, AFFORDABLE WORKFORCE, ALL KINDS OF DIFFERENT TYPES OF HOUSING, AND IT HAS NOT SUCCEEDED.
WE HAVE SEEN THE, THE AVERAGE SALES PRICE OF A HOME IN THE PAST FOUR YEARS GO FROM ABOUT $450,000 TO 1,000,001.
PEOPLE THAT USED TO COME IN AND PURCHASE PROPERTIES AND PUT THEM ON THE LONG-TERM RENTAL MARKET HAVE GONE AWAY.
I E OUR EMPLOYEES HAVE GONE AWAY.
SO WE TALK ABOUT VIABILITY OF A COMMUNITY AND MOVING FORWARD, WE'VE GOTTA HAVE THE EMPLOYEES IN PLACE TO MAKE CERTAIN THAT THAT HAPPENS.
MR. HOAGLAND, YOU TALKED ABOUT USING TAX DOLLARS FROM, FROM TOURISTS.
WELL, WE DON'T HAVE 'EM, WE WON'T HAVE THOSE TAX DOLLARS.
AQUA WAS THE FIRST STEP THAT COUNCIL TOOK YEARS AGO TO MOVE FORWARD A HOUSING PROJECT IN IDENTIFIED 5% OF THE UNITS.
WE LEARNED FROM THAT THAT IT WASN'T ENOUGH, IT DIDN'T WORK.
SO YEAH, WE CAN ADJUST AS WE GO FORWARD.
I AGREE THAT THIS IS NOT A WORKFORCE HOUSING PROJECT.
I KNOW IT'S GOT A COMPONENT THEREOF.
THE DATA THAT SEAN YOU PROVIDED REGARDING THE TRAFFIC AND THE IMPLE IMPLEMENTATION OF THAT WHOLE AREA, WHAT COULD HAPPEN JUST BASED OFF OF MY RIGHT, IS A DRIVING FORCE IN MY DECISION.
I'LL BE HONEST WITH YOU, MY FAMILY USED TO OWN ONE OF THOSE BUILDINGS, PROBABLY THE ONE THAT'S IN THE WORST SHAPE.
THERE HAVE BEEN THREE OTHER OWNERS SINCE MY FAMILY HAD THAT.
IT'S, IT'S A SHAME TO SEE THAT, RIGHT? IT'S IN A VERY IMPORTANT PART OF OUR ISLAND.
MR. DESPAIN, I WOULD LIKE FOR Y'ALL TO CONSIDER LEFT HAND TURNS ONLY OUT OF THE PROJECT TO NOT AFFECT GREENWOOD DRIVE TO REDUCE THAT.
I SAID EARLIER THAT WE'RE ALL WORKING TOGETHER FOR A SOLUTION BECAUSE IT TAKES A COMMUNITY TO WORK TOGETHER TO FIND THE SOLUTION THAT WORKS.
WHEN YOU HAVE HOUSES THAT ARE 1,000,001 ON AVERAGE AND YOU'VE GOT CONDOS THAT ARE AT 600,000 AND YOU HAVE INTEREST RATES THAT ARE RUNNING 8.5% ON THOSE CONDOS, YOU'RE NOT GONNA HAVE MANY PEOPLE MOVE INTO 'EM.
SO WITH THAT SINK BEING SAID, IT'S TIME TO CALL THE VOTE.
MR. PERRY, WHY DON'T YOU BE LEGALLY ISSUED ANY T NO, NO.
WHY DON'T YOU DO THAT ABOUT ME? ABOUT YOU DON'T HAVE THE MONEY AVAILABLE.
I SAID, I SAID SOMETHING POSITIVE ABOUT YOU MR. HOAGLAND.
YEAH, I I YOU NEED TO EXPLAIN YOURSELF.
I JUST REITERATED WHAT YOU SAID EARLIER.
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SAID, CALL THE ROLL.SO WE'VE GOT A, WE'VE GOT, YES.
SO WE NEED TO VOTE ON THE AMENDMENT FOR THE TEXT WITHIN THE, SO WE WOULD BE VOTING ON YOUR AMENDMENT.
THANK YOU FOR RE REMINDING ME AT THIS POINT.
IS THAT CORRECT? ADDING THE LOWER LEVEL OF THE A M I.
SEAN, YOU GOT, DO YOU HAVE IT RIGHT THERE?
I HAVE, WELL, IT'S 60 TO 120%, UM, 20% 15 YEARS.
THAT'S WHAT IT WAS ON IT, IT WAS, YES, 20% AT 120% A M I FOR 15 YEARS.
A M I IS 60 TO 120% IN THAT RANGE.
FOUR BEDROOM AND FOUR BEDROOM.
BUT THAT, BUT THAT'S IN THE TEXT.
YES, BUT WE ARE VOTING ON 20% THE 120% A M I ONE FROM 10 YEARS TO 15 YEARS ON THAT MOTION.
IN, IN COMPLETION FOR THE RECORD, JUST FOR CLARITY, THERE WERE TWO.
I BELIEVE THAT BASED ON THE ONE THAT I RECALL, THE APPLICANT, THE APPLICANT'S, THAT IS CORRECT.
I THOUGHT I INCORPORATED ALL OF THAT INTO MY INITIAL MOTION.
THAT CORRECT? I I HAVE, IT'S, UM, YES.
THE, THE VERSION OF THE ORDINANCE I'M LOOKING AT IS THE APPLICANT'S RESPONSE.
UM, THE MOTION TO AMEND THE SHARED PARKING DID NOT GET A SECOND AND FAILED THE MOST.
THE AMEND THE AMENDMENTS INCLUDE GOING FROM 15 TO 20% ROUND OR MIXED USE, UM, FROM 130% AS PROPOSED BY THE APPLICANT TO 120% BASED ON THE HUD, UM, A M I AND TO INCREASE THE YEARS FROM 10 TO 15 ON THE DURATION OF THE WORKFORCE UNIT.
STANFORD, MR. STANFORD, I'M THINKING ABOUT IT.
NOW WE HAVE TO VOTE ON THE, THE, UM, YEAH, THE MAIN MOTION.
AND WHICH IS THE APPLICANT'S MOTION? OR IS IT THE, UM, THE TOWN'S MOTION? THAT WAS MY MOTION WAS YOU, YOUR IT YOU FAILED.
IT, AS YOUR COUNCIL MENTIONED, THERE WERE TWO OPTIONS.
THERE WAS A TOWN COUNCIL VERSION THAT REFLECTED YOUR AMENDMENTS THAT WERE PART OF, OF THE ORDINANCE IF YOU CHOSE TO MOVE FORWARD.
THERE WAS THE APPLICANT'S RESPONSE THAT WAS INCLUDED.
THE AMENDMENTS THAT COUNCILWOMAN BECKER, UH, PRESENTED WERE MODIFICATIONS TO THE APPLICANT'S PROPOSAL.
THOSE AMENDMENTS, UH, DIDN'T PASS BASED ON YOUR, YOUR RECENT ACTION.
AND SO THE TWO, THE, THE TWO VERSIONS OF THE ORDINANCE ARE NOW, UH, IN FRONT OF YOU UNAM AMENDED MAYOR, I MOVE TO ADOPT THE TEXT AMENDMENT, WHICH WE HAD BEFORE US, WHICH WAS BASED UPON MOTION WE ADOPTED ON JULY 18.
IS THERE A SECOND? I'D SECOND THAT.
HAVE WE DISPOSED OF THE PREVIOUS MOTION? I, I'D LIKE SOME CLARIFICATION IF I CAN.
I, I JUST A POINT OF ORDER, AS I RECALL, IF I MAY, UM,
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MY MOTION AND SOMEBODY NEEDS TO GO BACK AND, AND LISTEN TO IT.IF YOU DON'T THINK THIS IS CORRECT, BUT I TOOK THE MOTION, I MOVED THAT TOWN COUNCIL ADOPT THE PROPOSED ORDINANCE 2023 TO APPROVE AMENDMENTS TO SECTION OF THE LAND MANAGEMENT ORDINANCE TO CREATE A NEW USE CALLED ISLANDERS MIXED USE WITHIN THE CINE CIRCLES AND ADDED THE DETAILS THAT WERE PROVIDED TO US AS CONCESSIONS BY THE APPLICANT.
UM, 20%, UM, WORKFORCE HOUSING UNITS FIF FOR 15 YEARS.
60 TO 120% A M I THAT WAS ALL PART OF MY, MY MOTION.
BUT AGAIN, UNLESS I'M MISUNDERSTOOD YOU, YOUR, YOUR MOTION WAS TO ADOPT WHAT I'LL CALL THE APPLICANT EX WITH, ALONG WITH THIS PROPOSAL ALONG WITH THOSE CHANGES.
SO IN MY INTENTION WAS THAT THOSE CHANGES BE INCORPORATED INTO THAT, INTO THE, THE APPLICANT'S MOTION.
THOSE WERE CONCESSIONS THAT HE WAS PROVIDING.
I CERTAINLY WAS NOT MAKING AN AMENDMENT TO THAT.
I DID NOT UNDERSTAND THE MOTION THAT I WAS VOTING ON.
I IS THAT, AND WE'VE GOT A PROBLEM HERE.
LET, LET, LET'S KEEP ONE AT A TIME, PLEASE.
I'M GONNA, KIM, I'LL PULL THE PRESENTATION UP.
IT WAS THE APPLICANT USE USE CONDITIONS.
'CAUSE I DID, IT'LL HELP CLARIFY WHAT'S BEFORE US BECAUSE THE MOTION THAT WAS MADE BY COUNCILMAN BECKER WASN'T EITHER OF THE TWO THAT WERE PART OF THE ORDINANCE AND PACKET THAT WAS DELIVERED TO TOWN COUNCIL.
SO THERE IT IS AN AMENDMENT TO ONE OR THE OTHER.
UM, BASED ON THE AMENDMENT, IT APPEARED TO BE THE ONE FOR THE APPLICANT.
IT DEFINITELY WAS THE ONE FOR THE APPLICANT.
BUT YOU WERE AMENDING WHAT WAS WRITTEN AS PART OF THE ATTACH EXHIBIT THAT WAS PART OF THE ORDINANCE.
AM I CORRECT THAT AT THIS POINT THE APPLICANT HAVING CONCEDED 20% THAT THE ONLY DIFFERENCE BETWEEN ALL THE MOTIONS OR MOTIONS AT THIS POINT, UH, IS 20 YEARS VERSUS 15 YEARS? NO, IT'S 20 YEARS VERSUS 15 YEARS IN, IN THE A M I GOING TO FROM ONE AND ALSO THE SHARED PARKING.
AND ALSO THE SHARED PARKING LANGUAGE AND THE INTENT LANGUAGE.
SO IF I, WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO RUN THROUGH THIS FOR CLARITY? UH, WE, WE DON'T
YEAH, I DID NOT UNDERSTAND THE MOTION.
UH, FOUR HOURS INTO THIS AND ALL OF THIS BACK AND FORTH.
KURT CURTIS, CAN YOU GUIDE US ON THIS ONE? IT IT OKAY HERE, MS. BECKER.
JUST SO WHAT CAME BACK TO COUNSEL AT THE BEGINNING WAS THE AMENDED TEXT BASED ON WHAT WAS VOTED ON AT THE PRECEDING MEETING.
I UNDERSTOOD YOUR MOTION, MS. BECKER TO BE, THAT YOU WERE WANTED TO AMEND THE TEXT TO ADOPT THE APPLICANT TEXT ALONG WITH THE CHANGES YOU WANTED TO THAT CORRECT? I WANTED TO MAKE THE MOTION TO ADOPT THE APPLICANT'S TEXT WITH THE CHANGES THAT YOU OUTLINED, CORRECT? THAT IS, THAT IS WHAT I UNDERSTOOD YOUR MOTION TO BE.
SO FOR CLARITY, I THOUGHT ADDITIONAL THINGS WERE BEING ADDED IN THERE.
AND SO I DID NOT UNDERSTAND THAT.
AND IF I CAN, I'D LIKE TO WITHDRAW MY VOTE.
CAN WE CLARIFY THAT MOSES STATED AGAIN, I THINK THAT AT THE POINT YOU'RE AT, SOMEONE ON THE PREVAILING SIDE WOULD HAVE TO MOVE TO RECONSIDER THAT VOTE.
I WOULD MOVE THAT WE COULD RE UH, RECONSIDER.
SO ALRIGHT THEN, THEN I WILL, I WILL MOVE THAT WE RECONSIDER THAT ACTION.
IS THERE SECOND? SECOND? I'M ON THE WRONG SIDE.
YOU CAN SECONDER CAN BE ON ANY SIDE.
SO IT, IT'S BEEN MOTIONED AND SECONDED.
SO LET'S CALL THE ROLL AGAIN BASED OFF OF MOTION TO
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RECONSIDER AND THEN WE'LL HAVE TO VOTE AGAIN.YOU, YOU, YOU VOTE THE MOTION TO RECONSIDER YES.
WHETHER OR NOT TO RECONSIDER AND THEN YOU WOULD TAKE UP THE RECONSIDERATION.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF RECONSIDERATION, PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.
PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND YAYS.
HAVE IT NOW WE GO TO VOTE ON THE AMENDED APPLICANT'S TEXT AMENDMENT WITH THE CHANGES THAT MS. P THAT, THAT THE APPLICANT STATED OF GOING TO 120% A M I 20% OF THE UNITS FOR 15 YEARS.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.
ALL THOSE OPPOSED JUST, UH, HEY, LET'S, LET'S FINISH THE VOTE REAL QUICK.
WHAT? YEAH, I THINK, UH, MS. BRYSON ALSO HAS A MOTION AND A SECOND THAT WE HAVE NOT VOTED ON JUST TO KILL IT.
UH, JUST FOR THE RECORD, UM, THAT IS ON THE RECORD AS WELL, ISN'T IT? JUST WANNA MAKE SHE MADE A MOTION.
BUT IF THERE WAS NO SECOND, I MEAN, PREVIOUSLY THERE WAS NO SECOND.
THERE WAS NO SECOND, SECOND TWO MOTION MADE THERE? NO.
THERE A ROLL CALL REQUIRED FOR READING ON AN ORDINANCE OR NOT? NO.
WE'RE GONNA TAKE A FIVE MINUTE BREAK.
IT'S SERIOUS AND WE TAKE IT SERIOUSLY.
WE HAVE BEEN DISCUSSING THIS NOW, NOT ONLY FOR THE PAST 10 HOURS, BUT TWO YEARS.
A LOT OF EMOTION HAS GONE INTO THIS.
REMEMBER THAT AS WE GO FORWARD THAT EVERYBODY IS WORKING, TRYING TO MAKE IT FIT THEIR OPINIONS AND THEIR IDEAS.
SO THAT BEING SAID, FIVE MINUTE RESET.
OKAY, WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE BACK.
WE'RE BACK FROM OUR LITTLE RECESS THERE.
[11. a. Consideration of a Resolution of the Town of Hilton Head Island Approving the Technology and Innovation Strategic Plan – Tommy Sunday, Director of Technology and Innovation]
UP IS MR. SUNDAY.TOMMY SUNDAY WILL PRESENT A CONSIDERATION OF A RESOLUTION TO THE TOWN OF HILTON ME ISLAND, IMPROVING THE TECHNOLOGY AND INNOVATION STRATEGIC ACTION PLAN.
GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL AND TOWN MANAGER.
THANK YOU FOR A FEW MINUTES OF YOUR TIME THIS EVENING TO TALK ABOUT OUR STRATEGIC PLAN.
IN YOUR PACKAGE, YOU HAVE OUR FULL PRESENTATION OF THE PLAN AND RESOLUTION.
I JUST WANT TO COVER A COUPLE OF QUICK THINGS FOR YOU.
AS, AS WE, UM, WORKED ON OUR STRATEGIC PLAN, WE TALKED ABOUT THE SERVICES THAT WE PROVIDE FOR THE TOWN, CUSTOMER SERVICE, NETWORK INFRASTRUCTURE, G I S, PUBLIC SAFETY AND SOFTWARE.
AND THIS JUST KIND OF GIVES YOU A QUICK OVERVIEW OF OUR YEARLY WORKLOAD, UH, SINCE WE IMPLEMENTED OUR HELP DESK TICKETING SYSTEM.
UH, 6,300 REQUESTS IN 13 MONTHS.
WHAT'S THE BOTTOM LINE YOU WANT FROM COUNCIL TO APPROVE YOUR STRATEGIC PLAN? YES, SIR.
I WOULD MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE A RESOLUTION OF THE TOWN OF HILL OHIO APPROVING THE TECHNOLOGY INNOVATION PLAN.
WE'VE GOT A MOTION FIRST AND SECOND.
DO WE HAVE ANY DISCUSSION AMONGST COUNCIL? WE HAVE ANY DISCUSSION AMONGST THE, THE, THE CROWD WHO SECONDED A DAVE? SORRY, SEEING THAT WE WILL BRING IT BACK FOR THE VOTE.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.
SO, AND, AND JUST SO THAT THE PUBLIC IS AWARE, WE DO HAVE ALL THIS INFORMATION WITHIN OUR PACKAGE AND IT'S VERY IMPRESSIVE.
AND WE HAVE READ IT AND IT WENT BEFORE A COMMITTEE BEFORE THAT AND WE HEARD IT.
[11. b. Consideration of a Resolution of the Town of Hilton Head Island, South Carolina to Support the Town’s Renewal Application to the League of American Bicyclists for the Bicycle Friendly Community Award – Shawn Colin, Assistant Town Manager, Community Development]
REPRESENTING, UH, PRESENTING A CONSIDERATION OF RESOLUTION, THE TOWN OF HILTON ISLAND, SOUTH CAROLINA, TO SUPPORT THE TOWN'S RENEWAL APPLICATION TO THE LEAGUE OF AMERICAN BICYCLISTS FOR THE BICYCLE FRIENDLY COMMUNITY AWARD.DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING YOU WANNA ADD TO THAT? UH, THIS IS JUST OFFICIAL OFFICIALLY, UH, UM, ALLOWING THE TOWN TO SUBMIT THE APPLICATION ON BEHALF OF THE TOWN.
UM, AND, UH, RESPECTFULLY REQUEST YOU, YOU APPROVE THIS.
WE HAVE A COPY OF, AND A COPY OF THE STAFF REPORT.
ANY DISCUSSION FROM COUNSEL? ANY DISCUSSION FROM THE CONSTITUENTS? OH, FRANK.
ALL ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.
CAN I AVERAGE MY TWO PRESENTATIONS IN THE, UH, LET'S SEE, WHERE ARE WE NEXT? THANK YOU.
[11. c. Consideration of an Ordinance Authorizing and Directing the Town of Hilton Head Island to Enter into an Intergovernmental Agreement Relating to South Carolina Local Revenue Services; to Participate in one or more Local Revenue Service Programs; to Execute and Deliver one or more Participant Program Supplements; and Other Matters Relating Thereto – First Reading - John Troyer, Director of Finance]
WHO WILL BE PRESENTING A CONSIDERATION OF AN ORDINANCE AUTHORIZING A DIRECTOR IN THE TOWN OF[04:00:01]
IN ONE OR MORE LOCAL REVENUE SERVICE PROGRAMS TO EXECUTE AND DELIVER ONE OR MORE PARTICIPANT PROGRAM SUPPLEMENTS AND OTHER MATTERS RELATING THERE TOO.WAS IT, DID THIS COME BEFORE ANY COMMITTEE? IT CAME BEFORE FINANCE AND ADMINISTRATIVE COMMITTEE.
AND WHAT WAS THE COMMITTEE'S RECOMMENDATION? THE RECOMMENDATION WAS, UH, TO APPROVE WOULD MAKE THE MOTION TO ADOPT AN ORDINANCE AUTHORIZING THE DIRECTOR DIRECTING THE TOWN OF HILTON HEAD ISLAND TO ENTER INTO AN INTERGOVERNMENT OLYMPIC DEGREE RELATING TO SOUTH CAROLINA ABOVE, SO ON SO FORTH.
UNLESS, AND IT COULD BE A SECOND.
UNLESS THERE'S A CONVERSATION OR ANY DISCUSSION FROM COUNCIL, ANY DISCUSSION FROM THE AUDIENCE? SEEING NONE, RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND FOR APPROVAL.
AND JUST FOR THE RECORD, MR. ALFRED LEFT EARLY, UM, TO ATTEND HIS BIRTHDAY PARTY, WHICH STARTED AT SIX O'CLOCK.
[11. d. Consideration of Proposed Ordinance No. 2023-18 Amending the Millage Rate of the Town of Hilton Head Island General Fund and Debt Service Fund for the Fiscal Year Ending June 30, 2024, so as to Perform Required Rollback of Millage Pursuant to South Carolina Code of Laws Section 12-37-251 – First Reading – John Troyer, Finance Director]
PROVIDE A PRESENTATION REGARDING A CONSIDERATION OF PROPOSAL ORDINANCE NUMBER 2023 DASH 18, AMENDING THE MILLAGE RATE OF THE TOWN OF HILTON HEAD ISLAND GENERAL FUND AND DEBT SERVICE FUND FOR THIS FISCAL YEAR ENDING JUNE 30TH, 2024.SO AS TO PERFORM REQUIRED ROLLBACK OF MILLAGE PURSUANT TO SOUTH CAROLINA CODES OF LAW SECTION 12 DASH 37 DASH 2 51.
WHEN WE BUILT THE BUDGET, WE BUILT THE BUDGET WITHOUT REAPPRAISAL.
AND SO THIS, UM, UH, PROPOSAL JUST, UM, TAKES THAT PIECE BACK AND I'M NOT SEEING THE PRESENTATION, BUT DOES TAKE THE, UH, MILLAGE RATE BACK, UM, TO OFFSET THE, UM, INCREASES BASED ON THE REAPPRAISAL.
AND SO OUR, UM, WHAT YOUR PRESENTATION, JOHN, THAT'S REQUIRED BY STATE LAW.
I THINK WE AS REQUIRED BY STATE LAW.
AND SO WHEN THE, THE BUDGET WAS ADOPTED, IT WAS ADOPTED SAYING THAT WE WOULD ROLL IT BACK.
AND SO THIS WOULD ROLL IT BACK FROM 23 1 TO 21 4 7% TO OFFSET OUR REAPPRAISAL.
MAYOR, I THOUGHT WE HAD TO MAKE A MOTION BEFORE HE COULD START AND THIS IS TOO IMPORTANT TO RUSH THROUGH.
SO WE'RE BOTH NOT TRYING TO DRIVE.
I DON'T HAVE YOUR PRESENTATION.
IT SHOULD JUST BE THE POWERPOINT.
UM, OR I MEAN THE, UM, P D F MM-HMM.
YEAH, IT'S PROBABLY IN THE STAFF REPORT.
IF, IF IT'S NOT PULLING UP RIGHT NOW AS AN ATTACHMENT TO THE STAFF REPORT NOT IN THERE.
DON, I SUGGEST YOU GET THROUGH YOUR STAFF REPORT.
CAN WE PULL THE STAFF REPORT UP AND LET'S GO THROUGH THAT BECAUSE THE CONTENT OF WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR IS AND SHOULD BE IN THE STAFF REPORT, PLEASE.
AND WE TAKE ACTION ON E THAT REQUIRE SPECIAL ATTENTION.
OUR BUDGET ORDINANCE, OR WHICH WAS ADOPTED BACK IN JUNE, UM, ADOPTED THE BUDGET BEFORE REAPPRAISAL.
UM, THE COUNTY IS REQUIRED BY STATE LAW TO, UM, PERFORM A REAPPRAISAL OF PROPERTY, UM, EVERY FIVE YEARS.
AND SO THEY HAVE DONE THAT THIS YEAR IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE REASSESSMENT.
AND SO OUR BUDGET ORDINANCE, THAT WAS, UM, SECTION TWO OF THE BUDGET ORDINANCE SAYS IT WAS INITIALLY PASSED AT 23 1.
THAT WAS OUR, UH, PENCILED IN, UM, EXISTING PROPERTY TAX RATE, WHICH WOULD BE ROLLED BACK TO OFFSET THE, UM, EFFECTS OF REAPPRAISAL, THE DIFFERENT COMPONENTS OF THE TAX RATE.
YOU CAN SEE THE BEFORE 17.2 FOR THE GENERAL FUND, 5.9 FOR THE DEBT SERVICE FUND, THE TOTAL OF 23.1 MILS.
THAT WAS THE, UH, CONSISTENT WITH LAST YEAR.
AND THEN THE REAPPRAISAL IS ABOUT 7%.
AND THE, UH, REDUCTION IS THE 15 NINE, THE FIVE FIVE AND THE 21.4.
AND SO WE HAVE A PROCESS THAT'S PROVIDED FOR BY THE SOUTH CAROLINA DEPARTMENT OF REVENUE.
AND SO WE HAVE, UM, A CALCULATION FORMAT, WHICH YOU'LL SEE JUST IN A MINUTE.
AND WE HAVE THE DATA WHICH IS PROVIDED FOR BY THE COUNTY.
AND SO WE PUT THOSE TWO TOGETHER TO COME UP WITH OUR REDUCED
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TAX RATE.THE ORDINANCE THEN JUST REFERENCES BACK TO, UM, THE ORIGINAL BUDGET ORDINANCE AND THEN UPDATES THAT YOU CAN SEE WITH THE PROPERTY TAXES.
WE START WITH LAST YEAR'S PROPERTY TAXES BILLED.
WE TAKE THE ADJUSTED TAXABLE VALUE AND IT COME UP WITH A RATIO AND IT GIVES YOU A MILLAGE RATE.
AND THE MILLAGE RATE, UM, IS ONLY, UM, COMES DOWN TO 21 4.
UH, THE STATE LAW ONLY PROVIDES FOR A ONE DIGIT.
AND SO WE HAVE TO REDUCE THAT DOWN TO THE 21.4.
AND THEN THAT 21.4 IS ALLOCATED BACK TO THE DEBT SERVICE AND THE GENERAL FUND PROPORTIONATE.
CAN I ADD, IT'S IMPORTANT TO STATE THAT THIS IS A, A, A NET NEUTRAL APPROACH AND THAT THIS DOESN'T AFFECT ANY OF OUR TOWN SERVICES AS YOU APPROVE THEM, UM, BY REVENUE AND A CORELATION TO OUR STRATEGIC PLAN AND OUR SERVICE LEVELS AS YOU ADOPTED THE BUDGET.
SO ULTIMATELY WE'RE AT A NEUTRAL, THIS IS A NEUTRAL APPROACH.
IT DOESN'T AFFECT OUR SERVICES WHATSOEVER.
IT'S VERY IMPORTANT PIECE TO, I MOVE COUNSEL, ADOPT THE PROPOSED ORDINANCE 2023 DASH 18 AND MANY OF THE MILLAGE RATE.
I GOT DISCUSSION FROM COUNSEL JUST BRIEFLY, UM, AS, AS A MANAGER SAYS THIS IS, I ALWAYS CALLED IT REVENUE NEUTRAL
UM, BUT I THINK IT ALSO SHOULD BE POINTED OUT AS I UNDERSTAND IT, THAT THIS IS FOR OUR REVENUE PORTION MM-HMM.
SO IT'S POSSIBLE BASED ON WHATEVER THE COUNTY DOES AT REASSESSMENT, THAT NOTWITHSTANDING THE MILLAGE RATE BEING DROPPED, YOUR ACTUAL PROPERTY TAXES COULD GO EITHER UP OR DOWN.
THAT THIS IS AN ATTEMPT TO DO WHAT WE CAN TO TRY TO NEUTRALIZE OUR REVENUE.
UM, YES, EVERY INDIVIDUAL PROPERTY WILL BE, UM, REPRESSED, REASSESS, REASSESSED, AND THERE WILL BE A NEW VALUE TO THAT.
AND SO OUR, UM, LOWERING OF THE TAX RATE JUST CONTEMPLATES THE OVERALL CHANGE.
AND EVERY INDIVIDUAL COULD HAVE A DIFFERENT RESULT.
BUT, UM, WE AS A TOWN ARE NOT GONNA BENEFIT FROM THE REAPPRAISAL.
AND, AND SO THEN INDIVIDUAL PROPERTY OWNER'S RECOURSE IS TO APPEAL THEIR ASSESSMENT TO THE COUNTY.
THERE'S A PROCESS FOR THAT ON THE COUNTY'S WEBSITE, RIGHT? AND, AND SO YEAH, YOU'LL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO APPEAL YOUR VALUES AND CHECK YOUR NEIGHBORS AND, UM, CHECK THE HISTORY.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS FROM COUNSEL? ANY OTHER COMMENTS FROM THE AUDIENCE? OKAY.
SEEING THE, MAY I DO, SORRY, ONE MORE QUICK THING.
IN OUR BUDGET ORDINANCE, WE HAD SPECIFIC LANGUAGE WHICH WE ADOPTED SEEING THE MILLAGE RATE WILL BE REDUCED TO OFFSET THE EFFECTS OF IMPLEMENTATION OF NEW PROPERTY VALUES FROM THE COUNTY'S REAPPRAISAL PROCESS.
SO ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND BEING UNANIMOUS.
LASTLY, WE JUDGE, INVITE JOSH GRUBER UP TO WHAT, UM, OUR FINANCE ADMINISTRATIVE CHAIR WANTS TO SPEAK.
JUST MAKING SURE I MAY HAVE MISSED IT.
I KNOW MS. BRYSON MADE A MOTION, UH, AHEAD OF TIME.
UH, CAME BACK TO MR. AMY IS MAKING A MOTION IN A SECOND FOR MR. STAN.
[11. e. Consideration of a Resolution to Appoint a Town of Hilton Head Island Representative to the Beaufort County Sales Tax Advisory Committee – Josh Gruber, Deputy Town Manager]
TO PRESENT THE CONSIDERATION OF A RESOLUTION TO A POINT A TOWN OF HILTON HEAD ISLAND REPRESENTATIVE TO THE BEAUFORT BEAUFORT COUNTY SALES TAX ADVISORY COMMITTEE.MEMBERS OF COUNCIL, MR. ORLANDO.
UM, AS IS INDICATED IN THE MATERIALS THAT ARE BEFORE YOU THIS EVENING, BEAUFORT COUNTY, BACK IN EARLY JUNE, ADOPTED A RESOLUTION WHEREIN THEY CREATED A SALES TAX COMMISSION, UH, PURSUANT TO THE REQUIREMENTS SET FORTH IN SOUTH CAROLINA LAW FOR THE CREATION OF A CAPITAL PROJECT SALES TAX REFERENDUM.
SO IT'S A PRELIMINARY STEP THAT IF THE COUNTY WERE TO MOVE TOWARDS, UH, PUTTING A REFERENDUM ON THE BALLOT AS A PREREQUISITE TO FORM THIS ADVISORY COMMITTEE FOR PURPOSES OF CRAFTING THE LANGUAGE AS SET FORTH IN STATE LAW.
THERE ARE SIX APPOINTEES TO THIS, UH, COMMITTEE.
THREE MEMBERS ARE APPOINTED BY THE COUNTY.
THE OTHER THREE MEMBERS ARE APPOINTED BY THE MUNICIPALITIES WITHIN THAT, UH, COUNTY BASED UPON A NUMBER OF FACTORS, POPULATION WHERE THE TAXES COLLECTED.
ESSENTIALLY WHAT IT MEANS IS THE TOWN OF HILTON HEAD ISLAND WOULD HAVE ONE APPOINTMENT.
THE TOWN OF BLUFFTON WOULD HAVE ONE APPOINTMENT, AND THEY WERE REQUESTING THAT THE CITY OF BEAUFORT, THE TOWN OF FERT, THE THE TOWN OF PORT ROYAL, AGREE ON A JOINT, UH, APPOINTEE TO REPRESENT THOSE TWO MUNICIPALITIES.
SO, UM, WE WANTED TO BRING THIS INFORMATION BEFORE YOU THIS EVENING TO OUTLINE THE REQUEST,
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UM, WHAT IT'S BEING REQUESTED FOR, WHICH IS PURPOSES OF DEVELOPING A RECOMMENDATION THAT WILL GO TO COUNTY COUNCIL.COUNTY COUNCIL WILL THEN, UH, DECIDE WHETHER OR NOT TO ACTUALLY CALL FOR A REFERENDUM.
UM, AND BASED UPON THE INFORMATION THAT'S BEEN COMMUNICATED TO US, THEY'RE CURRENTLY TARGETING THE GENERAL ELECTION IN NOVEMBER OF 2024.
UH, THAT IF THEY DO MOVE FORWARD WITH IT, THAT IS WHEN THEY WOULD HOLD IT.
THIS ITEM CAME BEFORE THE COMMUNITY SERVICE AND PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE, UM, WHERE THERE WERE A NUMBER OF QUESTIONS AND CONCERNS THAT WERE RAISED.
ONE BEING, UM, THAT, LET ME, LET ME, LET'S BACK UP FOR A MINUTE BECAUSE WE, WE, WE NEED TO MAKE A MOTION AND SECOND AND THEN HAVE DISCUSSION.
I'LL MOVE THAT, UH, COUNCIL, APPROVE A RESOLUTION TO APPOINT A TOWN OF HILTON HEAD ISLAND REPRESENTATIVE TO THE BUFORT COUNTY TAX SALES TAX ADVISORY COMMITTEE.
MR. SANFORD DISCUSSION, MS. BECKER, AS I WAS SAYING,
UM, I KNOW THAT ONE OF THE CONCERNS, AND WE WENT THROUGH THIS ONCE BEFORE, WAS WHETHER OR NOT THIS WOULD, UM, APPEAR TO, UM, OUR RESIDENTS OR ANYONE THAT WE WERE ENDORSING THE, UH, THE, UM, IDEA OF THE SALES TAX.
UM, THAT WAS, THAT'S BEING SUGGESTED.
AND I THINK THAT'S A REAL CONCERN.
GLENN, I KNOW YOU HAD A POINT THAT NO, NO, I WASN'T THERE.
THAT'S WHY IT SAID, ESPECIALLY IF YOU SPEAK FOR YOURSELVES, EASY TO GET US CONFUSED, RIGHT? NOT AT ALL.
UM, I, I RECOMMENDED THAT WE CONSULT WITH OUR ATTORNEY IN EXECUTIVE SESSION.
AND SO I WOULD RATHER US MOVE ON TO EXECUTIVE SESSION DISCUSSION, UH, WHICH IS 13 A, SORRY, 12 A POLISH MY GLASSES, UH, REGARDING THE SALES TAX ADVISORY COMMITTEE PRIOR TO THE FURTHER DISCUSSION OR VOTE ON THIS MATTER.
I'D RATHER, UH, WE GO AHEAD WITH EXECUTIVE SESSION TO DISCUSS THIS MATTER AND GET ADVICE FROM OUR TOWN ATTORNEY.
DO WE NEED TO TABLE IT NOW? YEAH, I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT.
DO YOU HAVE A MOTION TO TABLE IT? I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE THIS, UM, PARTICULAR ITEM AND, UH, MOVE IT TO EXECUTIVE SESSION FOR ADVICES FROM OUR ATTORNEY.
ANY DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.
[12. Executive Session]
ORLANDO, I UNDERSTAND THERE IS A NEED TO ENTER INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION.EXECUTIVE SESSION ITEM 12, ITEMS A THROUGH E AS REPRESENTED ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA.
MOVE THAT, UM, COUNSEL PRIOR TO EXECUTIVE SESSION FOR THE REASONS CITED BY THE TOWN MANAGER.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.
[13. Action from Executive Session]
WHAT ACTION DO WE HAVE COMING OUT OF ACTUALLY HAVE TWO MOTIONS.THE FIRST IS I MOVE THAT THE TOWN COUNCIL AUTHORIZED THE MAYOR AND THE TOWN MANAGER.
HE AUTHORIZED TO EXECUTE AND DELIVER THE AGREEMENT BY AND BETWEEN THE TOWN OF
AND FURTHER ACTIONS AS MAY BE NECESSARY TO COMPLETE TRANSACTION DESCRIBED IN THE AGREEMENT.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.
ALL THOSE OPPOSED, THAT WOULD BE SIX TO ONE OR FIVE TO ONE.
THAT IS THE OLD WILD WINGS PROPERTY, SO THAT FOLKS KNOW WHERE THAT'S LOCATED.
OTHER MOTION? A PUBLIC
ANY DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.