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CAPTIONING PROVIDED BY BUFORT COUNTY.ALRIGHT, I CALL THIS MEETING OF THE COMMUNITY SERVICE AND PUBLIC SAFETY, UH, TO ORDER, UH, MONDAY, AUGUST 7TH, 10:00 AM AND, UM, KIM, ARE WE, UM, IN COMPLIANCE WITH FOIA? RIGHT.
AND IF YOU WOULD LIKE, PLEASE JOIN ME IN THE PLEDGE OF ALL PLEDGE OF UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE,
AND, UM, WE HAVE A MOTION TO ADOPT THE AGENDA, PLEASE.
I MOVED ALL IN FAVOR AND, UM, APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES.
ARE THERE ANY CHANGES OR DELETIONS TO THE REGULAR MEETING MINUTES OF JUNE 12TH, 2023? I MOVE ADOPTION.
ARE THERE ANY, UM, CITIZENS WHO, UM, WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THE TOWN, UH, COUNCIL COMMITTEE, UM, COMMUNITY SERVICE AND PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE? UH, TODAY? WE HAD ONE SUBMITTED, UM, CALLED TO CANCEL YESTERDAY.
UM, BUT I JUST WANNA CALL HIM JUST TO MAKE SURE CARL BRADEN.
SO WE HAVE A DISCUSSION AND PRESENTATION OF THE BROAD CREEK PUBLIC SERVICE DISTRICT.
UM, IS MR. FUGATE, UM, WHO'S THE OPERATION MANAGER OF BROAD CREEK PUBLIC SERVICE DISTRICT, AVAILABLE FOR THAT DISCUSSION.
MADAM CHAIRWOMAN APPEARS THAT MR. FUGATE MAY NOT BE IN ATTENDANCE THIS MORNING.
SO, UM, JOSH, HAVING SAID THAT, IS IT, SHOULD WE JUST MOVE ON AND PUT THAT ON THE AGENDA FOR ANOTHER DATE WHEN HE IS AVAILABLE TO YES, MA'AM.
WE HAD CONTACTED HIM PRIOR, BUT WE'LL LOOK AT RESCHEDULING THIS FOR A FUTURE DATE.
WE ALSO HAVE A DISCUSSION OF A PROPOSED ORDINANCE 2023, UH, 17, AMENDING TITLE 12 OF THE MUNICIPAL CODE OF THE TOWN OF HILTON HEAD ISLAND MOTOR VEHICLES AND TRAFFIC CONTROL TO REVISE REGULATIONS RELATED TO BEACH PARKING.
GOOD MORNING, MADAM CHAIRMAN, MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE.
UH, I'M JUST GONNA TEE THIS ITEM UP AND THEN I'M GONNA HAND IT OVER HERE IN JUST A SECOND.
BUT THIS IS OUR CONTINUING DISCUSSION WITH REGARDS TO PAID PARKING WITHIN OUR BEACH PARKS.
UM, OUR GOAL HERE TODAY WAS TO HOPEFULLY PICK UP THE DISCUSSION FROM THE LAST TIME THAT THAT HAD HAPPENED WITH THIS COMMITTEE TO BRING BACK INFORMATION THAT HAD BEEN REQUESTED, KIND OF OUTLINE THAT INFORMATION ON A, YOU KNOW, WE KIND OF ORGANIZE IT BY BUCKETS.
SO WE'VE GOT SEVERAL DIFFERENT BUCKETS THAT THEY'RE GONNA GO OVER WITH YOU TODAY.
AND THEN ULTIMATELY, THE LEAVE BEHIND IS A DRAFT ORDINANCE THAT WILL ALLOW US TO START TALKING FROM A POLICY STANDPOINT ABOUT WHAT RECOMMENDATIONS DO WE UL ULTIMATELY WANT TO MAKE FROM THE COMMITTEE UP TO TOWN COUNCIL AS THIS MOVES FORWARD.
SO, HAVING SAID THAT, I'M GONNA TURN THE PRESENTATION OVER TO MAC DEFORD, WHO'S WITH THE PLARRE LAW FIRM, AND THEN, UM, BRIAN MCELWEE, WHO'S, UH, WITH THE TOWN, AND THEY'LL HANDLE IT FROM HERE.
I'M BRIAN MWEE, DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC PROJECTS AND FACILITIES.
I'M GOING TO TEE IT OFF REAL QUICK BEFORE MAC.
UM, JEFF BUCKLEY GAVE THIS PRESENTATION LAST TIME, SO I'M NOT GONNA REHASH IT AS NOTHING REALLY HAS CHANGED FROM AN OPERATIONS STANDPOINT.
BUT I DID WANNA GIVE YOU AN UPDATE ON OUR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS WE HAVE INSTALLED WITH P C I.
UM, WHO'S MANAGING THE PROGRAM.
WE'VE INSTALLED ALL THE PARKING SPACE SENSORS AND ALL THE BEACH PARKS THAT ARE GONNA HAVE THE PAID PARKING.
WE'VE, UH, FINISHED INSTALLATION OF THE LICENSE PLATE READERS, WHICH WILL, UM, OBVIOUSLY SCAN THE LICENSE PLATE, AND THAT'S GONNA SERVE AS YOUR PASS MOVING FORWARD.
AND, UH, THEY'VE ALSO INSTALLED THE GATES THAT WILL, UM, YOU KNOW, RESTRICT ACCESS TO THE PARKS, BUT WE HAVE NOT INSTALLED THE GATE ARMS, SO NOTHING WILL GO OPERATIONAL WITH THAT UNTIL, UM, THE ORDINANCE IS APPROVED.
AND, UH, WE'RE HAVING A LITTLE BIT OF AN ISSUE WITH THE SOLAR POWER
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TO THOSE GATE ARMS AND LICENSE PLATE READERS.WE HAVE TOO MANY TREES THAT ARE BLOCKING THE, UH, THE SOLAR PANELS.
SO WE'RE LOOKING AT, UM, PROVIDING SOME HARDWIRED ELECTRIC TO THOSE, UM, TO THOSE SERVICES.
UM, OTHER THAN THAT, WE ARE GETTING READY TO INSTALL SOME RESIDENT PARKING SIGNS AT DREESSEN BEACH.
WE'RE ACTUALLY MEETING LATER, UH, THIS AFTERNOON TO PUT THOSE IN.
WE HAVE THE SIGNS READY TO GO FOR THE PAY TO PARKING.
SO ONCE THE ORDINANCE IS APPROVED, WE'LL BE ABLE TO PUT THOSE IN.
UM, AND THEN ADDITIONALLY, WE ARE GETTING READY TO KICK OFF OUR, IT'S A PARKING APP THAT WILL SHOW YOU WHERE THE PARKING SPACES ARE AVAILABLE THROUGHOUT THE ISLAND.
SO AS YOU COME ON, YOU'LL SAY, OKAY, KALANI'S FOOL, I CAN GO TO THERESA.
IT'LL SHOW YOU WHERE AN OPEN SPOT IS.
UM, AND THAT APP IS CALLED MODI.
AND, UM, WE HAD A GOOD KICKOFF MEETING A FEW WEEKS AGO, AND I THINK THAT'S GETTING READY TO BE AVAILABLE FOR A DEMO SOON.
SO OTHER THAN THAT, THAT'S KIND OF WHERE WE STAND, STAND FROM A CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT STANDPOINT.
IF Y'ALL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I CAN KICK IT OVER TO MAC BEFORE, UH, THE ORDINANCE.
UM, PAY STATIONS, UH, I DIDN'T HEAR THAT.
AND, AND IS THAT BASED UPON WHETHER OR NOT WE DECIDE TO CHARGE HER PARKING? WE WOULD HAVE PAY STATIONS INSTALLED.
SO IDEALLY WE WOULD REMOVE THE PAY STATIONS, BUT WE DO HAVE ONE AT SEN RIGHT NOW.
AND I BELIEVE WE JUST ORDERED ANOTHER ONE BECAUSE WE HAD ONE THAT WENT DOWN.
UM, WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO EITHER RESELL THOSE OR WE CAN MOVE THEM AROUND IF WE WANTED TO, JUST TO PROVIDE BACKUP.
UM, SOME PEOPLE MAY NOT HAVE CELL PHONES AND WANT TO BE ABLE TO PAY FOR PARKING, SO WE COULD HAVE THAT AS A BACKUP, MAYBE A COLIGNY OR AGAIN, IF SOMETHING GOES, GOES WRONG.
OTHERWISE, THE PRIMARY PRIMARY PAYMENT WOULD BE ONLINE THROUGH CELL PHONE OR A COMPUTER OR WHATEVER.
YOU MIGHT HAVE TO, UH, COMMUNICATE DIGITALLY.
UM, AND THEN, UM, I THINK IT'D BE GOOD FOR US TO KNOW A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE EXPERIENCE THIS PAST SUMMER, UM, SINCE IT'S THE FIRST SUMMER THAT WE'VE HAD, UM, OUR NEW CONTRACTOR IN PLACE.
HOW'S IT WORKING? WE ARE IN AUGUST, SO WE MUST HAVE SOME STATS FOR JUNE AND JULY AS TO HOW IT'S WORKING.
YEAH, I DON'T WANNA PUT MATT ON THE SPOT, BUT HE WOULD PROBABLY KNOW BEST FROM A CUSTOMER STANDPOINT.
UM, I KNOW WE WERE VERY, VERY BUSY, UH, AT THE END OF JUNE AND EARLY JULY.
UH, THE PARKING AMBASSADORS WERE ORIGINALLY STATIONED UP BY, UH, POP AVENUE AT, AT THE STOPLIGHT, AND THAT WAS CAUSING SOME ISSUES WHERE PEOPLE DIDN'T BELIEVE THAT THE PARK PARKING LOT WAS FULL.
AND SO THEY WOULDN'T GET OUT OF THE TURN LANE OR THEY WOULDN'T GET OFF OF POPE AVENUE.
SO WE MOVED THEM BACK INTERNAL TO THE PARK, AND THAT WAY THEY COULD COME IN, SEE FOR THEMSELVES, BE ABLE TO TURN AROUND AND GO BACK OUT WITHOUT STACKING ON THE POPE AVENUE.
BUT, UM, AFTER A FEW HICCUPS, I THINK WITH THE INITIAL ROLLOUT, THE NUMBER OF COMPLAINTS WE'VE RECEIVED REALLY HAVE DROPPED DRAMATICALLY.
UM, I THINK MATT'S PROCESSED ALMOST 5,000 PERMITS.
UM, I THINK THERE'S 6,000 PLUS PASS HOLDERS.
UM, SO PRETTY GOOD IS TO NOT HAVE THAT MANY, YOU KNOW, COMPLAINTS WITH THAT, THAT VOLUME OF, HOW ABOUT ISLANDERS BEACH PARK, HOW, HOW'S THAT BEEN WORKING THIS PAST SUMMER? MATT? I'M SORRY, I PARKED THERE A COUPLE TIMES.
P C I, YEAH, I'M THE GENERAL MANAGER HERE.
FOR, UM, ISLANDERS IS, IS, WE DO THAT A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENTLY THAN KAGEY.
WE, AS THEY COME IN, WE HAVE SCANNERS OR A PHONE THAT BASICALLY SCANS THEIR LICENSE PLATES.
WE CAN PULL UP RIGHT AWAY IF THEY HAVE A PERMIT.
IF THEY DON'T HAVE A PERMIT, WE DIRECT 'EM TO THE METERS.
IF THE METERS ARE FULL, THEN WE DIRECT THEM.
YOU KNOW, WE TELL 'EM THAT UNFORTUNATELY WE DON'T HAVE ANY SPACES, BUT YOU CAN GO TO FARLEY BEACH OR DREESEN, WE GIVE THEM OPTIONS.
UM, THE RESIDENT SPACES HAVEN'T GONE FULL SINCE JULY 1ST, BUT WHEN THAT DOES HAPPEN, WHEN EVERYTHING IS FULL, THEN WE STOP AT THE, BEFORE THE ENTRANCE, WE TELL 'EM IT'S, YOU KNOW, UNFORTUNATELY LOT'S FULL.
THEY SAY, CAN I, YOU KNOW, TURN AROUND AND COME BACK AND SEE.
AND YOU KNOW, WE TELL 'EM THAT'S FINE, WE JUST CAN'T LET 'EM STAY, YOU KNOW, PARK THERE ON FOLLY FIELD ROAD.
SO, UM, BUT FOR THE MOST PART, ISLANDERS IS GOING, IT'S, IT'S GONE REALLY WELL ALL YEAR.
A LOT OF 'EM, WHEN THEY COME IN, THEY SCAN IT.
'CAUSE THEN THEY KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, THEIR SPACES ARE RESERVED FOR RESIDENTS.
AND THEN WHEN THEY SEE US PATROLLING A LOT AS WELL, THEY ALWAYS ARE HAPPY.
AND, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE LEAVING.
THEY'RE GIVING US A THUMBS UP.
SO THE CUSTOMER EXPERIENCE HAS SEEMED VERY POSITIVE SO FAR.
UM, SO WITH THE NEW TECHNOLOGY, UM, FOR FOLKS WHO ARE PAYING TO PARK, UM, THEN THEY'RE GONNA HAVE THAT METHOD OF COMMUNICATION AND ABLE TO FIND OUT IF A CERTAIN, UM, AREA IS FULL OR NOT.
HOW ABOUT RESIDENTS BEING ABLE TO KNOW WHETHER OR NOT E'S BEACH RESIDENTIAL PARKING IS FULL OR NOT? THAT'S, THAT'S ANOTHER FUNCTION THAT MODI WILL HAVE.
IT'S UM, WHEN IT BREAKS IT DOWN BY HOW MANY SPACES ARE AVAILABLE AT ISLANDERS ANDREESEN, IT'S ALSO GONNA HAVE TOTAL SPACES AS WELL AS METERED SPACES AND RESIDENCE SPACES.
SO IT'LL BREAK IT DOWN SO PEOPLE WILL KNOW RIGHT AWAY.
UM, AND HOW ABOUT ENFORCEMENT ISSUES, UH, PARTICULARLY AT ISLANDERS BEACH?
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UM, OR AT K CLICKY OR, OR ANY PLACE ELSE YOU WANNA TALK ABOUTUM, SO IT'S NOT, IT DOESN'T HAVE THE DESIRED EFFECT THAT IT PROBABLY WOULD HAVE, BECAUSE UNFORTUNATELY SOME PEOPLE HAVE GOTTEN A FEW WARNINGS AND THEY'RE REALIZING THAT, OH, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S NOT, NOTHING IS, YOU KNOW, THERE'S NO FEE ASSOCIATED WITH IT.
SO IT'S, UM, OTHER THAN THAT, FOR THE MOST PART, A LOT OF PEOPLE WILL CALL AND ASK, YOU KNOW, WHY DID I GET THIS CITATION? I CAN PULL IT UP AND SEE, AND I CAN EXPLAIN IT TO 'EM.
AND THEN THEY'RE LIKE, OH, OKAY.
AND THERE HAVE BEEN A FEW INSTANCES WHERE PEOPLE WHO SIGNED UP ONLINE FOR THE PERMIT, THEY ENTERED THEIR PLATE NUMBER INCORRECTLY.
AND SO IT DOESN'T SHOW UP IN OUR SYSTEM, OBVIOUSLY.
AND SO WHEN THEY CALL, I CAN VERIFY THEIR PLATE NUMBER AND GET IT CORRECTED AND THEN, YOU KNOW, THAT SOLVES THAT ISSUE AS WELL.
YOU SAY WE HAVE SOME REPEAT OFFENDERS? YES.
SOUNDS LIKE, UNFORTUNATELY, YEAH.
THERE'S LANES SPECIFICALLY, THERE'S A TRUCK THAT SEEMS TO PARK THERE EVERY WEEKEND AND NEVER PAYS THE METER.
SO WE'VE ISSUED THEM MULTIPLE WARNING CITATIONS AND ONE MAJOR REPEAT OFF OFFENDER.
AND THEN, SO THERE'S, THERE'S, THERE'S TWO SPECIFICALLY THAT I CAN RECOUNT OFFHAND.
ONE AT ALDERS, AND THEN THERE'S ONE, UM, THAT DOES GO TO ISLANDERS TOO.
AND, YOU KNOW, WE'VE LEFT CITATIONS ON THERE.
WE TALKED TO HIM WHEN HE COMES IN, HE'S LIKE, OH YEAH, I'M GONNA PAY THIS TIME.
AND HE MAYBE THROWS A QUARTER IN THERE, BUT BY THE TIME WE GET THERE, IT'S EXPIRED.
AND DO WE HAVE, UM, AWAY CURRENTLY OF COUNTING THE NUMBER OF, UH, FOLKS PARKING, PARKING SPACES BEING OCCUPIED, FOR INSTANCE, AT KIG FOR JUNE OR JULY OF THIS YEAR? WE DON'T HAVE AN I WITH THE, WITH THE CAMERAS NOT BEING OPERATIONAL BECAUSE OF THE SOLAR POWERS AND GETTING ALL THAT WORKED OUT.
USUALLY AROUND 11 O'CLOCK IS BY THE TIME IT GOES FULL.
AND, AND THEN THROUGHOUT THE DAY IT SHIFTS OVER AND WE PROBABLY, RIGHT, DURING THE DAY, SYSTEM OPERATIONAL, WE WILL BE ABLE TO COUNT.
HOW, HOW ABOUT AT THE END OF THE DAY AT, AT KAGEY? WHEN DOES IT, WHEN DID MOST OF THE CARS SEEM TO LEAVE? IS THERE'S, IT SEEMS TO BE AROUND 3, 3 30 IS WHEN PEOPLE START TO, YOU KNOW, LEAVE THE MAJORITY AND THEN WE CAN TAKE DOWN THE FULL SIGNS AND THEN PEOPLE ARE ABLE TO CONTINUE TO BE PARK.
IT DOESN'T REALLY EMPTY OUT WHERE IT'S NOTICEABLE, BUT THERE'S, YOU KNOW, LIKE WHERE IT'S JUST GOBS OPEN SPACES, BUT IT'S, IT'S NOTICEABLE WHERE YOU CAN COME IN AND FIND A SPOT TO PARK.
AND AS I RECALL, I THINK THE CURRENT HOURS ARE 6:00 AM TO 9:00 PM AND ALL OF OUR PARKING, BEACH PARKING SPACES.
AND SO, DO WE STILL SEE A LOT OF PARKING CLOSER TO NINE OR AFTER, UH, AFTER 9:00 PM UH, WE DON'T SEE A WHOLE LOT.
THERE'S, MAJORITY OF THE PEOPLE HAVE LEFT AT THAT POINT.
UM, THERE'S MAYBE A COUPLE AT ISLAND OR ALDINI THAT ARE STILL THERE, BUT FOR THE MAJORITY, ISLANDERS IS EMPTY, SEN'S EMPTY.
SO THEY'RE, YEAH, THEY'RE ABIDING BY THAT.
JUST IF, IF WE HAD TO SAY ONE WAS MORE, IT'S JUST USUALLY AT KIG.
I'M SORRY, WHAT WAS THAT LAST PART? IF I HAD TO SAY THAT ONE OF THE LOTS HAD MORE PEOPLE THAN THE REST AT 9:00 PM IT WOULD BE KIG.
AND, AND HOW ABOUT THE IMPACT OF SPECIAL EVENTS, UM, LIKE THE SYMPHONY OR JAZZ IN THE PARK OR OTHER, I MEAN, WE HAVE SO MANY SPECIAL EVENTS AT KIG.
I CAN'T NAME THEM ALL, BUT YEAH, THEY SEEM TO, THEY SEEM TO AFFECT, WE HAVEN'T SEEMED TO HAVE ANY PROBLEMS WITH THAT BECAUSE THE MAJORITY OF THE PEOPLE HAVE LEFT AT THAT POINT.
AND BY THE TIME THE EVENT STARTS, IT'S, YOU KNOW, MORE TOWARDS THE EVENING WHEN PEOPLE HAVE LEFT FOR THE DAY.
AND SO THERE'S PLENTY OF SPACES.
SO DO YOU STILL HAVE STAFF WORKING, UM, AFTER 9:00 PM ON, UH, FOR SPECIAL EVENTS AT KIG? I'M SORRY, I KEEP SAYING KIG LOW COUNTRY CELEBRATION PARK? UH, TYPICALLY WE DO NOT, BUT I'M, I'M ON CALL AND AVAILABLE IF SOMETHING DOES HAPPEN AND I HAVE A SYSTEM MANAGER THAT LIVES ON THE ISLAND AS WELL.
SO WE'RE NEARBY IF SOMETHING DOES HAPPEN.
BUT ON THOSE DAYS, LIKE I'LL KIND OF SWING BY BEFORE I GO HOME FOR THE DAY AND MAKE SURE THAT EVERYTHING IS LOOKING OKAY.
SO WHAT, WHAT TIME OF DAY DO YOU NOT HAVE FOLKS AT LOW COUNTRY CELEBRATION PARK, COLUMBIA PARKING? UH, WELL OUR AMBASSADORS WORK THERE FROM 8:00 AM TO 4:00 PM UM, ON DAYS WHERE THERE'S EVENTS WE KEEP STAFF HERE LATER IN THE DAY TILL ABOUT SEVEN OR EIGHT O'CLOCK.
AND THEN, UM, IF, IF SOMETHING DOES HAPPEN, YOU KNOW, BEFORE THEY LEAVE, THEY DO A SWING BY AND MAKE SURE EVERYTHING'S OKAY.
THAT'S ALL I CAN THINK OF RIGHT NOW.
UH, IS ANY THOUGHT BEING GIVEN TO, UH, INSTALLING ELECTRIC CHARGE, UH, MACHINES OR ELECTRIC VEHICLES? UM, CURRENTLY, I DON'T KNOW IF JENNIFER'S HERE, I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE ANYTHING PLANNED FOR, UM, ANY EV STATIONS AT, I, I CAN'T HEAR.
I'M NOT SURE IF WE HAVE ANYTHING PLANNED FOR ANY EV CHARGING STATIONS, UH, AT THE PARTS RIGHT NOW, BUT THAT'S SOMETHING WE COULD INCLUDE OBVIOUSLY MOVING FORWARD IN, UH, IN OUR C F P PROGRAM.
JENNIFER? YEAH, YOU MIGHT, JENNIFER RAY, FOR THE RECORD, THE F Y 24 BUDGET DOES INCLUDE, UM, FUNDS TO START ADDING
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AT OTHER FACILITIES THIS YEAR IN F Y 23, WE ADDED HERE FOR TOWN HALL AND FOR, UM, SHELTER COVE, UM, ONE OF OUR, UM, OFFICE SPACES THERE.BUT WE ARE GOING TO EVERY YEAR BE ABLE TO ADD TWO OR THREE AT DIFFERENT TOWN PARKS UNTIL WE ULTIMATELY HAVE ALL OF THE PARKS COVERED.
I THINK THAT BRINGS UP THE QUESTION THAT WE'VE, UM, LATELY TOUCHED ON IN THE PAST AS TO HOW ONE PAYS FOR THE USE OF THOSE STATIONS ACROSS THE ISLAND AS THEY BECOME, UM, PART OF OUR COMMUNITY.
SO I THINK THAT'S AN IMPORTANT PIECE OF IT ALL.
UM, BUT ULTIMATELY I, I WANTED TO UNDERSTAND A LITTLE BETTER AS TO WHEN THE CAMERAS ARE GOING TO BE FUNCTIONABLE SO WE CAN HAVE THE DATA.
SO ONCE WE FIGURE OUT THE POWER, UM, AND GET THAT HARDWIRED, WE'LL BE ABLE TO GET THE CAMERAS UP AND RUNNING.
SO I WOULD SAY WE'RE WORKING WITH WHITAKER, OUR LANDSCAPE MAINTENANCE, UH, MANAGER.
UM, I WOULD SAY WITHIN THE NEXT TWO WEEKS WE'LL HAVE POWER OR THE ABILITY TO GET POWER TO IT.
UM, BUT AGAIN, TO HAVE THE SYSTEM UP AND RUNNING, I THINK IT'S UP TO COUNCIL TO APPROVE THE ORDINANCE AND GET, APPROVE THE PAYMENT METHOD, UM, AND THEN WE CAN GO LIVE WITH THE PROGRAM.
I HAD A LITTLE DIFFERENT THOUGHT ABOUT THAT.
WE TALKED ABOUT THIS IN THE PAST,
PRICE HAS MENTIONED HOW OPERATIONS, THERE'S A POSSIBILITY THAT THERE'S NOT A LOT OF TRAFFIC AND PARTICULAR BOX BETWEEN 6:00 AM AND SAY 9:00 AM BUT WHAT'S THE ORDINANCE THAT HAS HEAT STRUCTURE ASSOCIATED WITH IT? I'D LIKE TO HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE CONCRETE ANSWER ACTIVITY THAT'S HAPPENING THAT WILL LEAD MOVING FORWARD.
UM, ONCE, I MEAN OBVIOUSLY ONCE THE CAMERAS ARE UP AND RUNNING, WE'LL BE ABLE TO GENERATE ANY TYPE OF DATA.
RIGHT NOW WE HAVE THE, UM, SENSORS THAT HE MENTIONED AT ISLANDERS ANDREESSEN THAT CAPTURE THE RESIDENCE SPACES, UM, THAT DATA WE DO HAVE.
UM, BUT THAT, RIGHT NOW, THAT'S THE ONLY HARD CONCRETE DATA WE CAN GIVE OTHER THAN, YOU KNOW, WE VISUALLY SEE THAT CLICKY IS FULL EVERY DAY ON THE WEEKENDS, FRIDAY, SATURDAY, SUNDAY BY 11:00 AM.
UM, ISLANDERS THE METERS FILL UP PRETTY QUICKLY EVERY DAY TOO, EVEN DURING THE WEEK THEY FILL UP THERE.
UM, THE OTHER, THE OTHER LOTS, ALL THERE'S LANE IS USUALLY IS FULL OR HAS ONE OR TWO SPOTS AVAILABLE.
UM, DREESEN ISN'T USED AS FREQUENTLY AS THE OTHERS, BUT IT DOES GET CLOSE TO FULL ON THE WEEKENDS.
AND FARLEY BEACH OR FARLEY FIELD IS ALWAYS FULL ON THE WEEKENDS AS WELL.
BUT YEAH, AS FAR AS CONCRETE DATA, THE ONLY THING WE CAN PROVIDE RIGHT NOW THAT WE HAVE GOING BACK IS, UM, THE SENSOR DATA AS FAR AS THE RESIDENCE BASE NELSON.
SO, UM, I GUESS A LOT OF MY QUESTIONS ARE JUST FOLLOW UP QUESTIONS, UM, WITH REGARD TO THAT.
SO THE SENSORS WILL ALLOW US TO SEE, UM, IF, WELL SPECIFICALLY ISLANDERS, BECAUSE THERE IT IS, UM, RESIDENTS ONLY PARKING THERE FOR THE, OTHER THAN THE METERED SPOTS.
AND AT DREESEN, ARE WE, WITH THESE SENSORS THAT ARE THERE, ARE WE ABLE TO IDENTIFY HOW MANY RESIDENTS VERSUS HOW MANY VISITORS ARE USING THOSE SPOTS? YEAH, WE DO.
UH, WE DO, WHEN OUR ENFORCEMENT GOES THROUGH, THEY, YOU KNOW, IF, IF, IF IT'S A NON PERMITTED PERSON WHO PARKED IN THE PERMIT ONLY SPACE, WE DO ISSUE A, A WARNING CITATION FOR RESIDENT ONLY PARKING.
SO DO WE HAVE ANY STATISTICS IN TERMS OF VOLUME? SO MANY FOR RESIDENTS VERSUS YEAH, I CAN PULL BACK DATA AND I CAN, UM, YEAH, I CAN FORWARD THAT ON TO WHOEVER AND I CAN GIVE IT FOR YOU.
I THINK THAT'D BE AN IMPORTANT PIECE OF INFORMATION TO HAVE IF WE COME BACK BEFORE YOU, WE'LL HAVE SOME DATA NEXT TIME.
SO, AND WILL THESE, UM, READERS ALSO BE, UM, INSTALLED AT KAEGY? NO, THEY'RE, THEY'RE, THE SENSORS ARE BASICALLY ARE PRIMARILY JUST FOR RESIDENCE BASE.
SO WE KNOW, UM, WHEN LIKE, SO BASICALLY WHAT IT HAPPENS IS IT'S A SENSOR AS THEY DRIVE IN, IT READS THAT THE CAR'S PARKED THERE.
SO THEN WE KNOW THAT THAT SPACE IS TAKEN AND THEN WE KNOW ONE LESS RESIDENT SPACE.
AND THEN BY THAT WE CAN THEN, YOU KNOW, WHEN OUR ENFORCEMENT GOES THROUGH, WE'LL DETERMINE IF IT'S A RESIDENT OR NOT.
BUT THE, THE GOAL WAS JUST FOR THE, SO WE COULD DETAIL THE RESIDENT SPACES, THE, THE CAMERAS WILL ALLOW US TO PICK UP RESIDENCY OR HOW MANY OCCUPANCY AT ALL, THE OTHER LOTS.
SO LET'S STILL KNOW HOW, HOW MANY SPACES ARE AVAILABLE AT EACH OF THE LOTS.
SO I THINK PROBABLY AS WE GO THROUGH THE PRESENTATION, I'LL GET THE ANSWER TO MY QUES NEXT QUESTION, WHICH IS, HOW DOES THE PAYMENT GET TRACKED, IF NOT THROUGH THAT SENSOR THAT WOULD CLICK ON THAT?
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YES.WHEN WE, WHEN WE GO LIVE WITH THE MOBILE PAYMENTS, PEOPLE WILL, THEY'LL EITHER SCAN A QR CODE OR SEND A TEXT BASED ON WHAT LOT THEY'RE IN, AND THEN THEY'LL DIRECT THEM TO PAY.
AND THEN IT'S LINKED UP WITH OUR SYSTEM.
SO, WE'LL, WHEN OUR ENFORCEMENT OFFICER GOES THROUGH, IF THEY SCAN A PLATE, IT'S GONNA POP UP AND THEY'LL SHOW PAID ON IT OR IT'LL SHOW PERMIT OR PAID.
IF THEIR PERMIT, THEY OBVIOUSLY DIDN'T NEED TO PAY.
IF THEY PAID, THEN IT WILL SHOW UP AS WELL.
SO IT'LL, SO THOSE SPACES WILL SHOW UP THAT IF IT'S A RESIDENT WITH A STICKER WHO'S PAID THEIR PARKING FEE, IT'LL SHOW REGARDLESS IF THEY'RE IN A, UM, RESIDENT PARKING SPOT AND THEY WON'T, THEY'LL BE ALLOWED TO STAY THERE.
THERE'S NO TIME RESTRICTION, NOTHING.
BUT IF IT IS, AS SOMEONE WHO'S NOT LOGGED IN WITH THE PARKING PERMIT SYSTEM, THEIR TIME AND PAYMENT WILL BE TRACKED THROUGH THIS.
AND THE APP ACTUALLY TOO, LIKE, OR IT'S NOT AN APP, BUT WHEN YOU, WHEN THEY MAKE THEIR PAYMENT, THEY GET A REMINDER TOO, LIKE, YOU HAVE 10 MINUTES LEFT IN YOUR PARKING SESSION, DO YOU WANNA INCREASE IT? SO IF THEY'RE STILL AT THE BEACH, THEY DON'T NEED TO COME RUNNING BACK, THE RESIDENTS WON'T GET THAT MESSAGE.
NO, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE OUR RESIDENTS, WHEN THEY PARK THEIR CARS, THEY HAVE NO FURTHER, UM RIGHT.
AND WHEN WE'RE READY TO GO LIVE WITH THAT, I WOULD LIKE TO COME BACK AND GIVE YOU A DEMO WHERE WE CAN PLUG IN A PHONE AND JUST SHOW YOU.
IT'S LIKE 30 SECONDS AND YOU'RE, YOU'RE DONE.
YOU'RE, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE OUR RESIDENTS ARE PROTECTED THROUGH THIS PARKING, UM, SHIFT AND WE'LL LOOK AT WHAT COMES NEXT WITH REGARD TO PROVIDING MORE ACCESS TO THEM.
SO THOSE NUMBERS STATISTICALLY AS TO HOW MANY VISITORS WE HAVE IN VARIOUS PARKS VERSUS HOW MANY RESIDENTS ARE USING OUR FACILITIES THERE, AMENITIES SIGNIFICANT TO ME.
SO AS TIME PROGRESSES, I UNDERSTAND WE'RE JUST COLLECTING DATA, BUT THAT WOULD BE IMPORTANT.
ANYTHING ELSE THAT, OOPS, ALEX, ANOTHER THOUGHT.
UH, WHEN YOU ALL, UH, COME BACK WITH THE, THE DATA I UNDERSTANDING THAT FILL UP RIGHT AROUND, I THINK WE NEED TO ALSO SORT OF UNDERSTAND THE, UH, RESIDUALS OF THAT.
NOT CLEAR ABOUT HOW THIS IS GOING AFFECT WHAT THOSE PARKING LOTS AND THEIR CARRYING CAPACITY LOOK LIKE.
I THINK THAT IT MIGHT BE A VISUAL OR WE CAN GO AROUND AND DRIVE AND COUNT, BUT WE COULD PROBABLY FIND THAT FOR YOU.
HAVE WE HAD ANY COMPLAINTS FROM, FROM THOSE AREAS AROUND THE KIG NEIGHBORHOODS OR BUSINESSES WITH RE OR DO WE KNOW HOW MANY, EVEN OF THE PARKING LOTS WITHIN, UH, PARKING SPACES WITHIN KIG ARE BEING UTILIZED BY THE BUSINESSES, THEIR EMPLOYEES, THEIR MERCHANTS? UH, I KNOW CUSTOMERS I KNOW ON, UM, FRIDAY AND SATURDAY, THERE WERE A COUPLE PEOPLE THAT WITH THE, YOU KNOW, THREAT OF RAIN ON FRIDAY, IT WASN'T AS BUSY A CLEANY AS NORMAL.
BUT PEOPLE WERE PARKING THERE AND GOING ACROSS THE STREET AND THEY WERE TELLING US THAT THEY HAD TRIED TO PARK THERE, BUT IT WAS, THE LOT WAS COMPLETELY FULL OVER THERE.
SO I, BUT I DON'T, AS FAR AS EMPLOYEES AND YEAH.
WHO WAS PARKING THERE? I'M NOT SURE.
SORRY, CAN I ASK A DIFFERENT KIND OF QUESTION? WE'RE VERY, WE HAVE A LOT OF CURIOSITY UP HERE.
SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT CARS, BUT ALSO, UM, A SEPARATE CONSIDERATION.
AND I, I'M NOT SURE WHETHER Y'ALL ARE THE RIGHT ONES TO ADDRESS THIS QUESTION OR NOT, BUT IN ADDITION TO CARS, IT'S THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE.
SO, YOU KNOW, I, I FAMOUSLY ASKED MY HUSBAND ONE TIME, HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE COMING TO AN EVENT SO I KNOW HOW MUCH FOOD TO PREPARE.
AND I SAID, HOW BIG ARE THE CARS? HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE GONNA BE AT EACH CAR? SO, YOU KNOW, I'M THINKING ABOUT THE, THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT ARE IMPACTING, UH, PARTICULARLY K NEY BEACH AREA, UM, BUT ALSO THE OTHER, UH, BEACH PARKING AREAS BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE PEOPLE GO TO PARK.
'CAUSE THEY WANT TO BE ABLE TO WALK TO THE BEACH, CLOSE TO THE BEACH.
SO DO WE HAVE ANY WAY OF TRYING TO ASSESS THE IMPACT OF THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE ON THE BEACH? MAYBE BEACH SERVICES CAN HELP US OUT WITH THAT IN, IN CONCERT WITH THE PARKING.
UM, BUT I THINK WE'RE ALSO CONCERNED ABOUT THE IMPACT, UM, ON OUR ENVIRONMENT AND THE BEACH AREAS AT THE SAME TIME WE CONSIDER THIS.
YEAH, I KNOW WE'VE, UH, CONDUCTED SOME, UM, BEACH AMBASSADOR SURVEYS.
THEY'VE TRIED TO SURVEY PEOPLE AS THEY, AS THEY PARK AND LEAVE.
LIKE WHERE, WHERE ARE YOU ORIGINATE, ORIGINATING FROM? HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE IN YOUR PARTY? UM, WE CAN TRY TO GET THAT DATA FOR YOU.
MIKE DOES A REALLY GOOD JOB OF GIVING ME A MONTHLY REPORT, BUT WE'RE TRYING TO CREATE A DASHBOARD WHERE WE CAN SHARE THAT WITH YOU ALL SO YOU CAN SEE EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE SEEING.
I CAN TRY TO HAVE THAT DATA READY FOR YOU NEXT TIME WE COME.
AND THEN, UM, WE'VE ALSO WORKED WITH THE COUNTY TO DO SOME DRONE FLY OVERS OF THE BEACH.
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I THINK SIX DATES THROUGHOUT THE SUMMER.UM, AND THEN WE WERE GONNA TRY TO DO A BEACH CARRYING CAPACITY STUDY WITH OUR BEACH CONSULTANT.
SO I THINK THEY HAVE EITHER FLOWN AT THREE OR FOUR TIMES NOW, AND THEN THE LAST ONE WILL BE AFTER LABOR DAY.
SO, UM, I JUST NEED TO FOLLOW UP ON THAT.
BUT AGAIN, THAT'S ALL DATA I CAN BRING TO YOU AND WE CAN SHARE WITH THAT IN THAT DASHBOARD WHEN WE CAN.
YEAH, I THINK THAT'D BE GREAT AS WE LOOK TOWARDS, UM, WHETHER OR NOT TO IMPLEMENT A BEACH PARKING PROGRAM AND WHAT IT SHOULD LOOK LIKE, BECAUSE THAT'S ALSO DRIVING OUR DECISIONS AS FAR AS HOW MUCH TO CHARGE AND, AND, AND, UM, AND WHAT KIND OF PEOPLE POWER WE NEED TO HAVE AND WHAT KIND OF RECORDING DATA WE NEED TO HAVE.
SO NEXT TIME I'M IN FRONT OF YOU, I'LL HAVE GOOD DATA FOR YOU.
THANK YOU FOR GETTING US STARTED IN THE DISCUSSION.
AND I WANT TO TURN IT OVER TO MATT.
ALRIGHT, GOOD MORNING, MADAM CHAIRWOMAN, MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE.
UM, LEMME GO TO MY SEGMENT HERE.
UH, YOU'LL SEE A LOT OF THE SAME MATERIAL.
UM, BUT WE DID ADD, UH, SOME INFORMATION, UH, INTO THE SLIDES FOR YOUR REVIEW.
AND THEN WE HAVE A DRAFT ORDINANCE ALSO THAT WE CAN WALK THROUGH.
UM, SO NOTHING REALLY, UH, CHANGING HERE WITH THE INTRODUCTION.
UM, UM, THE PURPOSE OF THE ORDINANCE, UM, TO ESTABLISH A GENERAL POLICY FRAMEWORK FOR BEACH PARKING MANAGEMENT, UH, TO ALLOW FOR THE PARKING TECHNOLOGY SOLUTIONS TO FIND WHERE THE PAID PARKING AREAS WILL BE, ESTABLISH THE, UH, PARKING POLICIES, THE RATES, TIMES, LOCATIONS, ET CETERA.
AND THEN GRANTING THE AUTHORITY OF FOR THE TOWN MANAGER, UH, OR HIS DESIGNEE TO OVERSEE ENFORCEMENT AND ADMINISTRATION OF THE ORDINANCE.
AND THEN, SO NOTHING CHANGED WITH THE PURPOSE AND INTENT STATEMENT.
AND IF YOU WANT ME TO GO THROUGH EV EVERYTHING AGAIN, PLEASE SLOW ME DOWN, LET ME KNOW.
ONE REASON I WOULD SAY IF WE COULD TAKE A LITTLE BIT OF TIME TO DO THAT MM-HMM.
WE HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO ARE JUST HEARING AND SURE.
WANTING TO KNOW THE, THE, THE BACKGROUND AND SOME OF THE DETAILS AND THE INFORMATION.
SO, UH, FOR THE PURPOSE AND INTENT, THIS WOULD BE ACTUALLY IN THE ORDINANCE.
IT WOULD BE THE FIRST SECTION, UM, JUST CLEARLY STATES, THE PURPOSE OF THIS ORDINANCE IS TO ESTABLISH REGULATIONS FOR THE MANAGEMENT OF PAID PARKING AREAS FOR PUBLIC BEACH ACCESS WITHIN THE JURISDICTION OF THE TOWN OF HILTON HEAD ISLAND.
THE INTENT OF THIS ORDINANCE IS TO PROMOTE THE EFFECTIVE USE OF TOWN PARKING RESOURCES AND ENSURE THE PUBLIC SAFETY, ACCESSIBILITY, AND CONVENIENCE OF BEACH GOERS ALL WHILE MINIMIZING ANY ADVERSE EFFECTS ON THE NEIGHBORING ENVIRONMENT.
AND THEN WE HAVE A, UH, THERE, UH, THE SECOND BULLET POINT THERE IS THE, UH, GENERAL STRUCTURE OF THE ORDINANCE, WHICH WE WILL, UH, GO THROUGH IN MORE DETAIL.
BUT THERE'LL BE A DEFINITION SECTION THAT, UH, JUST DEFINES THE PARKING AUTHORITY, UH, WHICH IS THE TOWN AND IT'S, UM, OR ITS DESIGNEE IN THIS INSTANCE, P C I.
UM, AND THEN ALSO THE, THE PAID PARKING AREAS, UM, PARKING FEES, WHICH WE HAVE SOME ADDITIONAL DATA WE'LL GO THROUGH, UM, WITH OTHER JURISDICTIONS FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.
UM, HOW THOSE PARKING FEES, UH, GET ENACTED, WHICH, UH, WE WOULD PROPOSE VIA RESOLUTION HOURS OF OPERATION, UH, WHICH WE CAN GET INTO MORE AS WELL.
AND THEN RULES, REGULATIONS, ADMINISTRATIVE PENALTIES, AND THEN THE APPEALS PROCEDURE FOR APPEALING THOSE ADMINISTRATIVE PENALTIES.
SO REALLY JUST TWO DEFINITIONS FOR THIS ORDINANCE.
UH, THE PAID PARKING AR AREA IS ANY AREA DESIGNATED BY THE TOWN FOR PARKING THAT REQUIRES PAYMENT AS, AS DEPICTED IN TABLE ONE.
AND WE'LL SEE TABLE ONE, WE'LL SHOW EACH BEACH PARK, UH, AREA, AND IT'LL BE LABELED AS WELL.
AND THAT WILL ACTUALLY GO INTO THE ORDINANCE ITSELF, THAT MAP.
AND THEN THE PARKING AUTHORITY IS THE TOWN OR ITS DESIGNEE.
SO THE AUTHORIZATION TO USE THE PARKING TECHNOLOGY SOLUTIONS, WE WOULD BE MAKING AMENDMENTS TO OUR CURRENT CODE PROVISIONS, UH, SECTIONS 12 DASH THREE DASH, UH, 1 12, 1 13, AND ONE 14 TO ALLOW FOR PARKING TECHNOLOGY SOLUTIONS FOR ELECTRONIC PAYMENT SYSTEMS, UH, FOR REAL-TIME PARKING SPACE AVAILABILITY SYSTEMS, AND THEN THE AUTOMATED PARKING ENFORCEMENT TOOLS, UH, INCLUDING LICENSE PLATE RECOGNITION SYSTEMS. AND I KNOW THAT THIS WAS A, A, A CONCERN BEFORE, BUT ALL PARKING TECHNOLOGY SOLUTIONS WILL COMPLY WITH DATA PRIVACY LAWS AND, AND SECURITY REQUIREMENTS.
SO FOR THE PARKING FEES, UH, TOWN COUNCIL WOULD ESTABLISH, UM, AND WE WOULD SUBMIT VIA RESOLUTION,
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UH, FEES WITHIN, UH, REASONABLE PREVAILING LOCAL RATES.UM, RESIDENT BEACH PASS PERMIT HOLDERS WOULD NOT BE SUBJECT TO THOSE REGULAR FEES.
THEY WOULD PAY THAT, THAT YEARLY FEE, AND THEY WOULD BE EXEMPT FROM PAYING THE HOURLY RATES.
UM, I KNOW THAT WE HAVE DISCUSSED A MAXIMUM TIME PERIOD FOR PARKING, UH, THAT COULD BE IMPLEMENTED TO MANAGE PARKING SPACE AVAILABILITY.
SO THAT'S ANOTHER, UH, DISCUSSION PERHAPS FOR TODAY.
UM, AND THEN WE'VE ALSO DISCUSSED PREVIOUSLY A, UH, PROGRESSIVE PRICING STRUCTURE THAT WOULD INCREASE THE FEE INCREMENTALLY, UH, DEPENDING ON THE TIME OF THE DAY OR BY HOW LONG YOU HAVE BEEN THERE FOR.
UM, AND THEN PARKING RATES, UH, THOSE CAN BE SEASONALLY ADJUSTED, UH, AND, AND ALSO TAILORED TO EACH PARKING AREA WHERE THEY, OR, OR THE SAME RATE CAN BE APPLIED TO ALL PAID PARKING AREAS.
SO ANOTHER POLICY DISCUSSION, UH, TO CONSIDER PAYMENTS TO BE MADE THROUGH THE DESIGNATED PAYMENT MECHANISM, WHICH WE, UH, HEARD MATT AND BRIAN TALK ABOUT JUST A LITTLE BIT AGO.
AND THEN THE PARKING AUTHORITY WOULD ENFORCE THE PARKING FEES, UH, ISSUE ADMINISTRATIVE CITATIONS AND TAKE OTHER APPROPRIATE MEASURES TO ENSURE COMPLIANCE.
AND THAT WOULD BE, UH, CURRENTLY P C I.
SO FOR RESIDENT BEACH PARKING PASSES, UH, THIS AGAIN ALLOWS THE TOWN TO ISSUE BEACH PARKING PASSES, UM, TO PRIMARILY RESIDENTS OF HILTON HEAD ISLAND.
UM, THE YEARLY FEE, I THINK CURRENTLY IS $15 AN HOUR.
AND, UM, I, WE DID PUT A NOTE IN THERE.
UH, THERE ARE CURRENTLY 4,678 APPROVED RESIDENT ACCOUNTS WITH A TOTAL OF 6,979 VEHICLES REGISTERED.
SO THOSE ARE THE, FOR THE, UH, RESIDENT PERMITS.
IF I MAY JUST STOP FOR A SECOND.
FIRST, I JUST WANNA CLARIFY, THE YEARLY FEE CURRENTLY IS $15 A YEAR, NOT HOUR.
I, I KNOW YOU KNOW WHAT YOU MEANT TO SAY.
YES, I'M, BUT I WANNA MAKE SURE EVERYONE ELSE HEARD IT THE RIGHT WAY, SO THAT, MY APOLOGIES, THAT SOLVES THAT PROBLEM.
UM, AND UM, WHEN WE SAY PRIMARY RESIDENCE, WHAT, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? UM, THEIR PRIMARY RESIDENCY ON HILTON HEAD ISLAND.
SO IS THAT THE DEFINITION OF RESIDENCY THAT WE PUT INTO PLACE FOR ISLAND OR BEACH, OR IS THAT A 4% RESIDENT? I'M CONFUSED BY THE TERM, MY UNDERSTANDING.
YEAH, THE, THE 4% RESIDENT WAS, THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT'S, THAT'S ONE WAY OF ESTABLISHING RESIDENCY.
WE ALSO HAVE OTHERS FOR FOLKS THAT ARE RENTERS.
UH, BUT ESSENTIALLY COUNSEL ADOPTED A POLICY DOCUMENT IDENTIFYING WHAT THE CRITERIA WERE IN ORDER TO QUALIFY AS A RESIDENT.
AND SO YOU HAVE TO MEET ONE OF THOSE CRITERIA IN ORDER TO BE ABLE TO, UH, BE APPROVED FOR THAT PASS.
SO THAT'S WHAT THAT TERM IN THIS DOCUMENT HERE MEANS.
AND FOLLOWING UP ON THAT, UM, I, I GUESS IT'D BE GOOD FOR US TO SEE A COPY OF THAT RESOLUTION WHERE THAT POLICY WAS ADOPTED.
THOSE OF US WHO WORK, WE'RE NOT THEN ON TOWN COUNCIL.
UM, IT, AND IF IT'S NOT DEFINED IN THE ORDINANCES THAT AN ISSUE, I'M JUST LOOKING AT THE DRAFT ORDINANCE AND I DON'T SEE, I SEE THE SAME REFERENCE TO THE TERM PRIMARY RESIDENCY, BUT NOT A DEFINITION.
SO JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE TECHNICALLY CORRECT.
WE'LL, UM, WE'LL BRING THAT RESOLUTION, MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S AVAILABLE, AND THEN IF THAT TERM NEEDS TO BE ADDED TO THE DEFINITION SECTION, WE CAN DO THAT.
THAT'S AN AREA WE MAY NEED TO LOOK AT A LITTLE BIT MORE CLOSELY.
BUT HAVING THAT DEFINED IS A GOOD STARTING SPOT.
I DO KNOW, UM, LAST TIME WE DID TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT, UH, BUSINESS BEACH PARKING PASSES.
UM, SO, UH, AS WE GO THROUGH THE ORDINANCE, UM, IF WE WANNA DISCUSS THAT AT ALL, WHAT THAT COULD LOOK LIKE.
WE DON'T HAVE IT, UH, INCLUDED IN THE CURRENT DRAFT, BUT IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE COULD CERTAINLY ADD IF THAT IS, UH, THE DIRECTION THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO GO IN WITH THAT.
PARKING FEES, UH, THIS WAS FROM THE WALKER STUDY, UH, RECOMMENDED VARYING RATES AT DIFFERENT PARKS AS WELL AS SLIDING SEASONAL RATES WITH PEAK SEASON FROM JUNE TO SEPTEMBER AND OFF SEASON FROM OCTOBER TO MAY.
UM, AND SO WE HAVE THE, UH, STUDY THERE.
UH, THESE ARE THE RECOMMENDED RATES ON THE TOP TABLE RIGHT THERE.
UM, AND THEN YOU CAN SEE IT BY, BY SEASONS, UH, DOWN BELOW, UM, FOR EACH BEACH PARK.
THESE ARE JUST, UH, THIS IS JUST A, UM, PIECE THAT CAME OUT OF THAT WALKER STUDY.
THIS ISN'T NECESSARILY SOMETHING THAT, IT'S JUST A GUIDING SOME INFORMATION
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FOR US YES.IS NECESSARILY THIS IS, THIS IS JUST, UH, FROM THE WALKER STUDY, THIS IS WHAT THEIR RECOMMENDED PREVE, UH, PREVAILING MARKET RATE, WHICH SHOW.
AND CAN I JUST BACK UP FOR A SECOND? 'CAUSE IT'S STILL BOTHERING ME TO THAT, UH, RESIDENCE PARKING PASS.
ONE, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT'S ON MY MIND THAT I JUST FEEL LIKE I NEED TO SAY RIGHT NOW IS THAT NOT ALL RESIDENTS PRIMARY OR OTHERWISE, UM, APPLY FOR AND TAKE A PERMIT TO PAT PARK ON THE ISLAND CURRENTLY, FOR INSTANCE, I DON'T HAVE ONE AS A, AS A PERSONAL EXAMPLE, UM, BECAUSE I HAVE NO NEED FOR ONE, BUT IS WHAT WE'RE SAYING THAT IF I WERE TO USING A, A PERSONAL TO GO DOWN TO COLIGNY AND WANNA PARK MY CAR, ONCE THIS IS OVER, ONCE THIS IS PUT INTO PLACE AND WE'RE OVER THIS PORTION OF IT, I WOULD NEED A PARKING PASS.
SO THAT NOW IS, SO I'LL GO BACK TO A COM.
I JUST WANTED TO PUT ALL THAT OUT THERE.
AND, YOU KNOW, UM, I THINK WHEN THIS IS ALL SAID AND DONE, THE REVENUE FROM THIS PROJECT THAT WE'RE INITIATING, UM, SHOULD COVER ALL OF OUR COSTS.
CERTAINLY IT SHOULDN'T COST THE TOWN ANYTHING, BUT ALSO WE OUGHT TO LOOK AT ANYTHING.
UM, NEXT IS TO, IS TO CHANGE THAT POLICY THAT RESIDENTS NEED TO PAY $15 FOR A PARKING PASS AND TRY TO COVER THOSE PASSES, UM, WITH ANY REVENUE COMING OUT OF THIS TOO.
UM, TO TAKE THAT BURDEN OFF OF THE RESIDENTS OF THE ISLAND WHO TYPICALLY GO AROUND THE ISLAND ON A DAILY BASIS, UM, AND EXPECT TO BE ABLE TO PARK CONVENIENTLY AND NOT BE SUBJECTED TO, UM, HAVING AN ADDITIONAL EXPENSE ON THEIR YEARLY BUDGET, EVEN IF IT IS $15.
SO IN MY MIND, THAT'S THE NEXT STAGE AFTER ALL EXPENSES ARE COVERED, IS TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR RESIDENTS ARE COVERED AS WELL WITH REGARD TO ANY PARKING FEES.
I JUST NEEDED TO SAY THAT, UM, OUT LOUD AGAIN AT THIS POINT.
UM, I'M NOT SURE WHETHER OR NOT YOU'RE GONNA COVER THIS.
UM, I'M JUST LOOKING THROUGH MY NOTES, UH, AND THE INFORMATION THAT WE'VE BEEN PROVIDED, UM, ANNUAL RATES, DAILY RATES, UM, DO WE HAVE ANY STUDIES ON THOSE? I THINK WE DO HAVE, THERE IS A CHART THAT'S COMING UP.
WE DO HAVE ON THE, THIS NEXT SLIDE.
SURVEYED OTHER JURISDICTIONS AND THESE, UM, THIS IS THE RESULT OF THOSE SURVEYS.
SO I'LL WAIT TILL YOU GET TO THAT.
MR. BROWN MAY HAVE A QUESTION ON THIS ONE.
ALEX, DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING? YEAH, I JUST WANTED TO, UH, FOLLOW UP ON THE WOMAN'S POINT.
THAT IS OUR ULTIMATE GOAL, UNDERSTANDING WHAT THE TRAFFIC LOOKS AT TODAY AS VISITORS ARE CONCERNED ASSOCIATED WITH THE PRICES THAT YOU ARE SUGGESTING.
WE HAVE NO IDEA AT THIS MOMENT IF THAT'S GOING TO BE DEFICIT REVENUE NEUTRAL OR PROFIT.
SO IF THAT IS A GOAL THAT WE WANT TO HAVE, THEN I THINK THAT'S GOING TO PLAY INTO OUR FEE STRUCTURE.
WELL, UM, SO, UH, POINTS TAKEN, BUT I THINK WE'VE GOT A WAYS TO GO IF THAT'S OUR ULTIMATE GOAL.
THAT ACCUMULATION AGAIN, ALEX IS REALLY IMPORTANT.
AND THEN, UH, AGAIN, JUST THE, UM, RESULTS OF THAT SURVEY.
JUST OTHER JURISDICTIONS HERE IN SOUTH CAROLINA, UH, AND THEN SOME OTHER STATES IN THE SOUTHEAST AND IN THE GULF, BUT, UH, WALKER CONSULTANTS DID NOT HAVE A RECOMMENDED, UM, DAILY RATE, OR IN SOME CASES SOME JURISDICTIONS HAVE A WEEKEND RATE.
UM, THEY HAD THE HOURLY RATE BY LOCATION AND TIME OF YEAR.
DID THEY HAVE A, A DAILY RATE RECOMMENDATION? THESE, UH, THE, THEY DIDN'T HAVE A DAILY RATE, LIKE A DAILY CAP.
LIKE IF I, IF I WANNA GO TO K CLICKY AND SPEND ALL DAY THERE INSTEAD OF, YOU KNOW, PAYING FOUR BUCKS AN HOUR, 10 TIMES EIGHT FOR 32 BUCKS, IF I GET A $20 DAILY RATE, I MIGHT OPT FOR THAT.
UM, I DID NOT SEE A, A RECOMMENDED D UH, DAILY RATE.
UM, WE HAVE SEEN DAILY RATES IN OTHER JURISDICTIONS HERE.
WE HAVE, UM, FOR, LOOKS LIKE ABOUT, UH, THREE QUARTERS OF, OF THESE JURISDICTIONS HAVE A DAILY RATE FOLLY BEACH, UH, 10 TO 15 DEPENDING ON THE LOCATION.
CHARLESTON COUNTY BEACH PARKS, FIVE TO $15,
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AND THEN THERE'S A WEEKEND RATE.UM, SO THAT'S DEFINITELY SOMETHING WE CAN LOOK INTO, UM, AND INCORPORATE THAT INTO, UM, THE ORDINANCE.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT MY COLLEAGUES THINK ABOUT THAT, BUT THE OTHER THING THAT I'VE BEEN WONDERING ABOUT IS SPECIAL EVENTS.
UM, SO WHEN THERE'S SPECIAL EVENTS AT A COUNTRY CELEBRATION PARK, UM, I KNOW, AND, AND YOU HAVEN'T GOTTEN TO THE DRAFT ORDINANCE YET, BUT THERE'S SOME EXEMPTIONS AND THERE'S POSSIBLE EXEMPTION OF THE TOWN MANAGERS, I RECALL ALLOWING THAT FOR SPECIAL EVENTS.
I I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT WORKS,
UM, I KNOW A LOT OF JURISDICTIONS HAVE A SET FEE FOR PARKING FOR A SPECIAL EVENT.
AND SO IN ADDITION TO THAT, I THINK WE OUGHT TO CONSIDER, UM, A SPECIAL WHAT TO DO ABOUT SPECIAL EVENTS.
AND I MEAN, IT, IT COULD BE FOR A PERMANENT SPECIAL EVENT WHERE THE, THE FEES ARE WAIVED OR THERE, WE COULD HAVE A, A SPECIAL EVENT FEE SEPARATE FROM THAT.
UM, AND, AND EITHER ONE COULD BE INCORPORATED.
AND THEN WHAT, WHAT DO YOU DO ABOUT RESIDENCE, UH, BEACH PASSES? DO THEY, DO THEY HAVE TO PAY A SPECIAL EVENT FEE IN ADDITION TO THAT? OR DOES THEIR PASS COVER SPECIAL EVENTS AS WELL? SO SOME QUESTIONS TO BE ADDRESSED, UH, IN THIS RATE STRUCTURE.
YEAH, AND I, I, I THINK IF, IF, IF THE INTENT WAS FOR THE RESIDENT BEACH, I MEAN, IF, IF THEY HAVE A, A RESIDENT BEACH PERMIT, THEN THEY SHOULD BE ABLE TO PARK THERE IN THE, YOU KNOW, EVEN IF IT IS FOR A SPECIAL EVENT THAT SHOULD, YOU KNOW, SATISFY THE, THEY WOULD STILL REGISTER IN WITH THE, THE PUCK THERE.
YEAH, I'M JUST SAYING IF, IF WE HAVE, IF WE HAVE A SPECIAL EVENT FEE IN THE STRUCTURE, THEN WE NEED TO ALSO ADDRESS THAT.
COUNCILWOMAN BRESSON, TO YOUR POINT THAT ONE OF THE GREAT THINGS ABOUT THE FIRM THAT WE'VE SELECTED IN THE PROGRAM THAT THEY USE IS IT ALLOWS FOR A, A LARGE NUMBER OF OPPORTUNITIES, UM, EITHER TO CHARGE OR NOT TO CHARGE AND ON DEMAND AND VARIABLE PRICING.
AND THERE'S, YOU KNOW, ESSENTIALLY WE CAN TELL IT THIS IS WHAT WE WANT AND THIS IS WHEN WE WANT IT, AND THEY CAN MAKE IT HAPPEN.
SO WHAT WE'LL ULTIMATELY NEED IS SOME DIRECTION FROM THE COMMITTEE AND ULTIMATELY TO COUNCIL IS WHAT DO YOU WANNA SEE? DO YOU WANNA SEE PAID PARKING FOR SPECIAL EVENTS? DO YOU WANNA SEE FREE PARKING FOR SPECIAL EVENTS? WE CAN MAKE ANY OF THOSE HAPPEN.
WE JUST NEED TO KNOW WHICH DIRECTION TO BE POINTED IN.
AND I'LL JUST ADD TO THE CAVEAT, UH, TO THIS, MY CAVEAT, WHICH IS, UM, ONE THAT I GUESS I SAY ALL THE TIME, UM, OUR ISLAND IS SPECIAL BECAUSE OF THE NUMBER OF SPECIAL EVENTS THAT WE HAVE BECAUSE OF THE HAPPENINGS AROUND THE ISLAND THAT OUR RESIDENTS, UM, TAKE FULL ADVANTAGE OF.
AND IT'S AN EASY, WONDERFUL, ENRICHING PLACE TO LIVE.
AND I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT, UM, WE CONTINUE TO BE THAT BOTH FOR OUR RESIDENTS AND FOR THE VISITORS WHO COME TO ENJOY THE, UM, FREE CONCERTS IN THE PARK, ET CETERA THAT WE HAVE.
AND SO I, I THINK WE NEED TO TOUCH LIGHTLY ON, ON THAT TYPE OF ACTIVITY, UM, THAT HAPPENS.
UM, BUT THAT'S MY PERSPECTIVE RIGHT NOW, SO SURE.
THAT WE'RE PROTECTING OUR RESIDENTS.
SO WE, UM, WE'VE DISCUSSED HOURS OF OPERATION, UM, SETTING.
UM, CURRENTLY IT IS, UH, 6:00 AM TO 9:00 PM DURING THE, UH, UH, SUMMER HOURS OR UH, SUMMER MONTHS, AND THEN THE WINTER MONTHS, UH, FROM 6:00 AM TO 6:00 PM.
UM, SO WE CAN CONTINUE TO MAINTAIN THAT STANDARD OR UH, WE CAN CHANGE IT.
UM, HOURS CAN BE SET BY THE, THE TOWN COUNCIL FOR EACH SPECIFIC PAID PARKING AREA.
UM, OR IT COULD BE APPLIED ACROSS THE BOARD.
UM, SO THAT'S, THAT'S JUST ANOTHER POLICY CONSIDERATION THAT WE'LL BE LOOKING FOR SOME, SOME FEEDBACK ON.
MADAM CHAIR, A COUPLE, A COUPLE THINGS ON THAT.
UM, I THINK THE DATA WILL HELP US MAKE THAT DECISION, UM, WHETHER OR NOT IT'S TO BE A GENERAL ONE SUMMER OR WINTER.
AND, AND WHEN IS THIS
UM, IF THE SYMPHONY IS IN THE PARK, UM, OR SOME OF THE MUSIC IN THE LOW COUNTRY CELEBRATION PARK IN THE SUMMER DOESN'T END UNTIL NINE.
A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T WANNA HAVE TO LEAVE EARLY AND GO MOVE THEIR CAR
UM, SO DO WE NEED TO LOOK AT A DIFFERENT TIMING FOR THAT? AND THEN ALSO WE HAVE THE LANTERN PARADE.
I THINK IT'S NOVEMBER IF I'M REMEMBERING EITHER OCTOBER.
UM, AND THAT AFFECTS, UM, LITANY PARKING AREA AS WELL AS, UM, ALDER, UH, BEACH ACCESS PARKING.
SO I THINK WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT THOSE KIND OF ACTIVITIES AS WELL WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT, UH, THE HOURLY OPERATIONS.
AND, UM, I, I THINK THE STRUCTURE THAT Y'ALL ARE PROPOSING
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IS THAT WOULD BE SET BY RESOLUTION OF TOWN COUNCIL AS OPPOSED TO INCLUDING IN THE ORDINANCE.'CAUSE EVERY TIME WE HAVE A SPECIAL EVENT, I DON'T WANT US TO HAVE TO AMEND THE ORDINANCE.
SO, UM, SO THE, THE TOWN MANAGER WOULD OVERSEE FOR THE SPECIAL EVENTS.
AND SO FOR YOUR SCENARIO WHERE YOU HAVE A A, A PERMANENTED SPECIAL EVENT THAT GOES AFTER 9:00 PM SAY, UM, THAT SPECIAL EVENT PERMIT WOULD, WOULD ALLOW FOR THAT PARKING TO CONTINUE THROUGH WHATEVER TIME IS LISTED IN THE PERMIT.
YEAH, WE, WE NEED TO MAKE SURE ABOUT THAT.
I, I, I KNOW THERE'VE BEEN SOME ISSUES, PARTICULARLY WITH REGARD TO WHEN BATHROOMS GOT LOCKED AT LOCAL HILL COUNTRY CELEBRATION PARK AND WHEN THE SYMPHONY WAS ENDING.
SO WE NEED TO BE MINDFUL OF THIS BECAUSE IT'S A GREAT SPACE FOR SPECIAL EVENTS.
I, I DON'T THINK OTHER, DON'T, DON'T THINK I'M THINKING OTHERWISE.
UH, BUT LET'S MAKE SURE THAT OUR, UH, EXPECTATIONS AND OUR OPERATIONS MEET WHAT IS HAPPENING.
SO JUST A QUICK, PERHAPS THE PARKING, UM, SPECIAL EVENT PIECE OF IT GETS TIED TO THE SPECIAL EVENT PERMIT ITSELF SO THAT THERE IS, IT'S, IT'S VERY STREAMLINED AND NO ISSUE COMES UP.
WHAT IF THE, IF THE SPECIAL EVENT PERMIT, YOU KNOW, EXTENDS TO WHATEVER THE TIME, I'LL MAKE IT UP 11 O'CLOCK AT NIGHT, THEN THE PARKING PERMIT ALSO EXTENDS TO THERE.
SO IT'S, UM, SEAMLESS ACROSS THE BOARD.
AND I THINK THAT MIGHT, AND, AND JUST TO NOTE THE BATHROOM'S BEING LOCKED THAT DAY, I THINK WAS A MALFUNCTION OF THE, IT WASN'T AN INTENTIONAL, UM, EVENT.
IT WAS A MALFUNCTION OF THE LOCKS THAT HAPPENED.
SO, UM, WE DO DO OUR BEST TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYONE HAS ACCESS AND IS, UM, REALLY WELCOMED AND, AND EASILY ABLE TO USE OUR FACILITIES AND ENJOY THE FREE, UH, HAPPENINGS HERE ON THE ISLAND.
AND, UH, WE, WE HAVE SOME UPDATED MAPS HERE.
UM, I, I, WE'LL JUST POINT OUT ONE, UH, ERA THAT WE'RE GOING TO CHANGE IS THAT, UM, UH, CNET DRIVE, BEACH PARKING AREA, WE WILL JUST BE INCLUDED IN CHAPLAIN PARK.
SO THERE WON'T BE A SEPARATE, UH, LABEL THERE.
UM, SO THIS IS, UH, THE MAP THAT WILL BE IN THE ORDINANCE AND WE'LL, WE'LL SEE THAT, UH, A LITTLE BIT AS WELL.
BUT IT'S JUST GOING TO, UH, CLEARLY MARK WHERE THESE, UH, PARKING AREAS ARE AND THEN LABEL THEM AS WELL.
YOU COULD HOLD UP, SORRY, MADAM CHAIR HERE ON, ON THIS MAP RIGHT HERE.
ONE, ONE OF MY, I EXPRESSED A CONCERN BEFORE ABOUT INCLUDING THE MAPS AND THE ORDINANCE, I THINK DESCRIPTION OF THE AREAS, YES, WE'VE GOTTA HAVE THAT.
BUT FOR INSTANCE, AGAIN, ALDER LANE BEACH PARKING, YOU CAN'T PARK ALL THE WAY DOWN THAT PATHWAY TO CORDIA THAT, THAT MAP IS WRONG.
UM, AND THEN, UM, ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE, ON K CLICKY CIRCLE, I DON'T RECALL THERE BEING ANY PARKING, THESE TWO ON THE ONE SIDE.
UM, THERE IS ON THE NORTH FOREST BEACH SIDE, BUT NOT ON THE SOUTH FOREST BEACH DRIVE UNLESS THERE'S BEEN PARKING ADDED THE SUMMER THAT I HAVEN'T SEEN.
AND I THINK WHAT, WHAT WE WERE THINKING IS TO NOT, UH, BORDER IT OUT, BUT JUST, YOU KNOW, SORT OF HAVE A PIN ON THE MAP JUST SHOWING THE GENERAL AREA, BUT NOT, YOU KNOW, I'M BOTHERED BY THESE MAPS.
OBVIOUSLY, MS. BRYSON, TO YOUR POINT, THEY'RE NOT ACCURATE.
UM, THEY NEED TO REFLECT JUST THE PARKING AREAS, WHICH AGAIN, ON ALDER LANE IS JUST THE FIRST THIRD OF THAT PARCEL.
THE, I THINK THE ISSUE IS BECAUSE THEY'RE USING G I S TO SELECT IT, WHEN IT'S SELECTING IT, IT'S SELECTING THE WHOLE PARCEL RIGHT LAYER.
BUT YES, THE MAPS NEED TO BE AMENDED TO REFLECT JUST THE AREAS WHERE THEY'LL BE PARKING.
'CAUSE YOU'RE RIGHT THERE, THERE'S NOTHING AROUND THE CIRCLE ITSELF.
AND, AND MY QUESTION IS, UM, YOU KNOW, THE PREVIOUS ONE, THE CNET AREA, WE ARE LOOKING AT MAYBE OTHER USE OF THAT.
UM, DON'T KNOW WHAT, WHAT, IF ANYTHING MAY HAPPEN IN THE FUTURE, BUT, YOU KNOW, THEN WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO GO BACK AND AMEND THE ORDINANCE TO TAKE CARE OF A MAP CHANGE.
SO I, MY PREFERENCE, UNLESS THERE'S A LEGAL REQUIREMENT FOR INCLUDING THE MAPS, IS NOT TO HAVE MAPS, BUT TO HAVE THE AREA DESCRIBED IN THE ORDINANCE, WHATEVER'S LEGALLY REQUIRED, ONLY IF, IF YOU END UP ADOPTING RATES BY RESOLUTION, THEN WE CAN CORRESPOND THOSE PLACES WITH THE RATES IN THE RESOLUTION, WHICH GIVES A LOT MORE FLEXIBILITY THAT IF WE DO NEED TO MAKE CHANGES MUCH EASIER TO DO SO WITH THE RESOLUTION.
AND WE JUST WANTED TO, UH, PROVIDE YOU JUST, AND, AND FOR THE PUBLIC WITH THE CURRENT PAY PARKING, UH, RATES AND, UH, PAY PARKING AREAS.
SO WE HAVE THAT INFORMATION UP THERE.
AGAIN, THE HOURS OF OPERATION ARE 6:00 AM TO 9:00 PM DURING THE
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SUMMER AND 6:00 AM TO 6:00 PM DURING THE WINTER.UM, AND THEN WHAT WE'D BE LOOKING AT IS BRINGING IN THESE THREE ADDITIONAL, UH, PAID PARKING AREAS, CHAPLAIN PARK, KAEGY, AND FISH.
I HAVE A QUESTION, MADAM CHAIR.
ONE, NOT THAT I WANT, UH, THIS SLIDE TO GET MUCH BUSIER, BUT CAN WE, UH, CAN WE HAVE THE PROPOSED RATES AND THE CURRENT RATES ON ONE SHEET AS WE MOVE FORWARD IN PRESENTATION? I GUESS MY SECOND QUESTION IS, DO WE HAVE ANY PARTICULAR REASON BEHIND THE INCREASE IN THE RATES FROM, UH, FROM, FROM WHAT THE CURRENT RATES ARE? YES TO, UM, THE, SO THIS IS JUST BASED OFF OF THE WALKER STUDY.
AGAIN, JUST A SAMPLE OF NUMEROUS JURISDICTIONS.
AND THAT WAS THE, UH, AVERAGE OF THE PREVAILING MARKET RATES.
SO IT'S WHAT WAS, UM, PROVIDED IN THAT STUDY.
UM, SO WE'RE NOT SUGGESTING THE RATES RIGHT NOW, WE'RE JUST, WE JUST WANTED TO PROVIDE YOU WITH THAT INFORMATION FROM THAT STUDY AND THEN SHOW YOU ALSO WHAT THE CURRENT RATES ARE.
SORRY, GOING BACK TO MR. GRUBER'S INTRODUCTION, YOU'RE LOOKING TO US TODAY TO GIVE DIRECTION ON THE ORDINANCE AND THEN LATER WE WOULD CONSIDER THE RATES.
IS THAT WHAT I'M HEARING? SO ULTIMATELY, WE'LL, WE'LL NEED GUIDANCE ON ALL OF IT.
WE'RE JUST TRYING TO INCREMENTALLY FOCUS OUR DISCUSSION DOWN FROM THIS BIG WIDE OPEN THEORETICAL PAID PARKING, NOT PAID PARKING, DOWN TO, OKAY, NOW LET'S LOOK AT LOCATION.
ALRIGHT, IF YES, HOW MUCH, WHEN? THAT'S KIND OF THE ANALYSIS.
AND SO I, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'RE ASKING FOR ANY SPECIFIC POLICY DIRECTION TODAY, BUT OUR THOUGHT IS BY HAVING A DRAFT ORDINANCE THAT MIGHT HELP US KIND OF NARROW DOWN THOSE ISSUES, LIKE I SAID, INTO THOSE BUCKETS.
AND THEN WE CAN TAKE UP HOURS OF OPERATION, PLACES, RATES TO BE CHARGED KIND OF SEQUENTIALLY AS WE NARROW DOWN THAT DISCUSSION.
I THINK IT'S A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF INFORMATION FOR EVERYONE AS WE'RE MOVING CLOSER TO SOME SORT OF IMPLEMENTATION FOR FOLKS TO BECOME VERY FAMILIAR, TO REALLY THINK THROUGH THE, UM, INFORMATION FOR ADDITIONAL DATA TO BE ACCUMULATED.
BEFORE THAT WE CAN COME TO ANY CONCLUSIONS ON NEXT STEPS.
BUT NEXT STEPS ARE, UM, WHAT WE HAVE TO GET READY FOR.
FOR RULES, REGULATIONS, AND EXEMPTIONS, UM, WE HAVE STANDARD RULES AND REGULATIONS, UH, NO PARKING OUTSIDE OF THE HOURS OF OPERATION, NO PARKING ON ANY UNAUTHORIZED ZONES, AND THEN CERTAIN AREAS THAT MAY BE RESERVED FOR EMERGENCY VEHICLES ONLY.
UM, EXEMPTIONS AGAIN, UH, FOR EMERGENCY VEHICLES, VEHICLES OF DISABLED PERSONS WITH THE APPROPRIATE PLACARDS OR LICENSE PLATES AND, UH, ANY TOWN OFFICIALS ENGAGED IN THEIR OFFICIAL DUTIES.
AND THEN AN EXEMPTION OF PAID PARKING FOR PERMITTED SPECIAL EVENTS, UH, AS APPROVED BY THE TOWN MANAGER OR HIS DESIGNEE.
AND I KNOW WE'VE, WE'VE DISCUSSED THAT SO WE'LL, WE'LL PUT A PIN IN THAT ONE.
UM, I THINK WE'VE, IN, IN PREVIOUS DISCUSSIONS, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THE, THE PENALTY APPROACH AND IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE WAS CONSENSUS WITH A GRADUATED PENALTY APPROACH.
UM, SO THIS, THIS OFFERS A PROPORTIONAL RESPONSE TO VIOLATIONS.
UH, IT GIVES INDIVIDUALS A CHANCE TO CORRECT THEIR BEHAVIOR BEFORE, UH, FACING STIFFER FINES.
AND SO, UH, THIS IS JUST AN EXAMPLE.
UM, THIS IS NOT, UM, THESE, UH, VIOLATION AMOUNTS.
THE FINE AMOUNTS DON'T, DON'T REFLECT, UH, WHAT WE'RE RECOMMENDING, BUT JUST SORT OF AS A STARTING PLACE AND BASED OFF OF SOME OF OUR PREVIOUS CONVERSATIONS.
SO A FIRST VIOLATION, UM, COULD BE A $50 FINE.
AND THEN ALSO A REMINDER OF THE PARKING, UH, RULES, WHICH COULD BE INCLUDED ON THE, UH, CITATION OR ALONG WITH IT, A SECOND VIOLATION WOULD INCREASE TO A HUNDRED DOLLARS, UM, $100, UH, NOTICE OF POTENTIAL TOW OR IMMOBILIZATION.
AND THEN THE THIRD AND SUBSEQUENT FINE, UH, WOULD BE $150.
AND THEN THAT'D BE, AND THEN YOUR VEHICLE COULD BE TOWED OR IMMOBILIZED AT THE VEHICLE OWNER'S EXPENSE.
WHY ON THERE, IF I MIGHT, UM, I'M LOOKING AT MY NOTES FROM MARCH AND, AND I THINK, UH, BOTH THE CHAIR AND I SAID, WE DON'T NEED TO GO TO THE FOURTH LEVEL, OWE IT AT THE THIRD.
INCREASE THE AMOUNT ON THE THIRD.
AND THEN I JUST WANTED TO PUT A NOTE IN THERE JUST 'CAUSE THIS IS AN ADMINISTRATIVE PENALTY.
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UM, HOWEVER, IF ANYONE TAMPERED OR, OR TRIED TO DESTROY THE PAY PARKING DEVICES, THAT WOULD BE, UH, DEALT WITH UNDER THE TOWN'S GENERAL PENALTY PROVISION.SO THAT WOULD BE A, A MISDEMEANOR AND NOT BE SUBJECT TO THIS ADMINISTRATIVE FINE.
AND, UH, WE HAVE SOME, UH, PARKING VIOLATION FEES IN OTHER JURISDICTIONS JUST, UH, TO BRIBE YOU WITH SOME ADDITIONAL INFORMATION.
SO, UM, KIND OF A LITTLE ALL OVER THE BOARD.
UH, FOLLY BEACH IS A $60 VIOLATION, AND THEN THOSE PENALTIES INCREASE ON THE 31ST AND 61ST DAYS IF THEY'RE NOT PAID, UH, TO 70 AND $120.
UH, SULLIVAN'S ISLAND IS JUST, IT'S, IT'S UNDER THEIR GENERAL PREP PENALTY PROVISION.
SO IT'S UP TO $500, ISLE PALMS IS $100, AND THEN 150 AFTER THE 31ST DAY, UH, MYRTLE BEACH IS 30.
AND THEN TYBEE IS, UH, NOT MORE THAN $1,000.
ONE OF THE ASPECTS IN THIS, THIS SLIDE, UM, THAT WE DON'T HAVE IN THE ONE PREVIOUSLY THAT WAS BEING, UH, IS A LATE PAYMENT PENALTY.
AND, UM, I THINK WE ALL CAN REMEMBER DISCUSSIONS ABOUT, UM, FOLKS RECEIVING A PARKING TICKET OR WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE, AND, UM, THINKING, WELL, FOR $20, UM, IT DOESN'T, UM, BOTHER ME AT ALL AND MOVING ON AND, AND NO CONSEQUENCES THEREAFTER.
SO I THINK THAT, THAT, KNOWING THAT THAT'S A, SOMETHING, UM, OF A HISTORY, PERHAPS WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT A LATE PAYMENT OR SOMETHING STRUCTURED AFTER INITIAL CITATION.
AND YES, AND WE CAN ABSOLUTELY INCLUDE THAT IN WITH THE ORDINANCE AND HAVE THAT, UM, INCLUDED AFTER, YOU KNOW, 30 DAYS OR 60 DAYS.
AND THEN THE APPEALS PROCESS HAS NOT CHANGED.
UM, WE HAVE THE, THE, UH, I KNOW THAT WE DISCUSSED BEFORE ABOUT SOME EXAMPLE APPEALS CRITERIA.
WHAT, WHAT, WHAT COULD TRIGGER AN APPEAL? UM, SO IF THERE IS INCORRECT OR MISSING INFORMATION ON THE TICKET, LIKE THE WRONG LICENSE PLATE WAS WRITTEN DOWN, THAT COULD BE THE BASIS FOR AN APPEAL.
IF THEY HAVE A VALID RESIDENT PERMIT, BUT THEY STILL RECEIVED A CITATION, THAT WOULD, UH, TRIGGER AN APPEAL.
UH, IF THERE ARE ANY ISSUES WITH SIGNAGE OR MARKINGS, UM, ANY SORT OF EMERGENCIES, UH, OR ANY SORT OF DEFECTS IN THE PARKING TECHNOLOGY.
AND SO WE, WE'VE STRUCTURED THE DRAFT ORDINANCE WITH, UH, SORT OF TWO LAYERS FOR APPEALS.
THE FIRST APPEAL WOULD GO TO THE PARKING AUTHORITY.
SO FOR EXAMPLE, P C I, UM, THEY WOULD MAKE A WRITTEN APPEAL TO P C I AND WITHIN 30 DAYS, UH, P C I WOULD WOULD REVIEW THAT APPEAL AND THEN ISSUE ITS DECISION.
AND IF THE, UM, UH, PERSON MAKING THE APPEAL DISAGREED WITH THAT DECISION, THEY COULD APPEAL THAT TO THE TOWN MANAGER.
AND THEN THE TOWN MANAGER WOULD, UH, REVIEW THAT AND THEN MAKE, UH, HIS, HIS FINAL RULING WITHIN 30 DAYS.
SO, AND THAT WOULD BE A FINAL RULING.
IT COULD BE LIKE, I GUESS APPEALED, UH, TO THE COURTS AFTER THAT.
BUT THAT'S, THAT WOULD BE IT FOR AS FAR AS THE TOWN IS CONCERNED.
AND I DO HAVE THE ORDINANCE IF YOU WANT TO.
IT'S, UH, MAKE SURE, LET'S SEE.
SO, UH, IN SIMILAR STRUCTURE TO WHAT WE SAW ON THE POWERPOINT, UH, WE HAVE THE PURPOSE AND INTENT STATEMENT, WHICH IS THE FIRST SECTION, UM, SAME LANGUAGE AS YOU SAW IN THE, UM, SLIDES DEFINITION SECTION, AND THEN THESE WOULD BE THE DESIGNATION OF THE PAID PARKING AREAS.
UH, WITH OR WITHOUT THE, THE MAPS WE CAN, WE WOULD REMOVE THAT AS DEPICTED FURTHER IN TABLE ONE, PARDON ME? ADDING DEFINITION FOR PRIMARY RESIDENCY OR WHATEVER THE TERM IS GONNA BE IN THERE.
AND THAT WOULD BE INCLUDED IN UNDER THE, UH, DEFINITION SECTION.
IT WOULD BE INCLUDING THAT THERE.
AND THEN THIS, UH, 12 DASH 5 5 4 15 WOULD BE THE FEES.
PAYMENT AND ENFORCEMENT SECTION JUST STATES SIMPLY THAT THE PARKING FEES, UH, ARE TO BE ESTABLISHED BY RESOLUTION OF TOWN COUNCIL.
UM, ANY PERSON WHO PARKS A VEHICLE IN THE PAID PARKING AREA MUST PAY THE FEES AS SPECIFIED
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BY THE PARKING AUTHORITY.AND THAT PAYMENT, UH, SHALL BE MADE THROUGH THE DESIGNATED PAYMENT MESS MECHANISM INSTALLED BY THE PARKING AUTHORITY.
AND THEN, UH, SUBSECTION D GRANTS THE PARKING AUTHORITY TO ISSUE ADMINIS THE ADMINISTRATIVE CITATIONS, AND THEN TAKING ANY OTHER APPROPRIATE MEASURES TO ENSURE COMPLIANCE, UH, SUCH AS VEHICLE MOBILIZATION AND TOWING.
AND THEN HERE, UH, ARE THE EXEMPTIONS, UM, ALL THE ONES WE TALKED ABOUT.
AND THEN WHEN WE GOT INTO A LITTLE BIT FURTHER IS FIRST, UH, PERMANENT SPECIAL EVENTS.
AND SO HOW IT'S WRITTEN RIGHT NOW IS, UH, THE TOWN MANAGER MAY ESTABLISH ADDITIONAL EXEMPTIONS DURING PERMITTED SPECIAL EVENTS.
SO THAT GIVES THE TOWN MANAGER A LITTLE BIT MORE FLEXIBILITY, UH, DEPENDING ON THE NATURE OF THE EVENT, UH, FOR, FOR WHAT THOSE EXEMPTIONS WOULD BE.
UM, SO WE COULD, UM, YOU KNOW, KEEP THAT AS IS OR, OR FURTHER, UH, EXPLAIN THAT IN THE ORDINANCE.
12 DASH 5 5 16 IS THE RESIDENT BEACH PASS SECTION.
UM, AND AGAIN, WE WOULD BE DEFINING THE PRIMARY RESIDENCY, UH, DEFINITION IN THAT SECTION.
AND, UH, WOULD ESTABLISH THE YEARLY FEE FOR RESIDENT PARKING PASSES BY RESOLUTION UNLESS, UH, AT SOME POINT THAT THAT MAY CHANGE.
UM, OF NOTE IN THAT SECTION FIVE 17 IS JUST, UH, MAKES IT UNLAWFUL FOR ANYONE TO, UH, DAMAGE OR TRY TO DEFRAUD THE PAID PARKING DEVICE, AND IT MAKES THAT, UH, ANY OFFENSE UNDER THAT SECTION PUNISHABLE UNDER OUR GENERAL PENALTY PROVISION, FIVE 18 IS RULES AND REGULATIONS, SAME AS WE SAW IN THE SLIDES, NO PARKING OUTSIDE OF THE HOURS OF OPERATIONS, AND NO PARKING IN PARKING ZONES OR IN ANY AREAS MARKED FOR EMERGENCY VEHICLES.
FIVE 19 IS HOURS OF OPERATION.
AND THERE WE HAVE, UH, THAT WOULD BE DESIGNATED BY TOWN COUNCIL.
AND AGAIN, UM, DEPENDING ON IF WE WANTED TO CONTINUE WITH OUR, OUR CURRENT HOURS OR MODIFY THEM.
BUT, UH, THOSE WOULD BE SET BY RESOLUTION AND THEN WE WOULD HAVE THE HOURS OF OPERATION POSTED AT THE PARKS.
AND, UH, FIVE 20 IS OUR ADMINISTRATIVE PENALTIES AND FINES, UH, SAME AS WE JUST WENT THROUGH.
UH, SAME EXACT LANGUAGE WE DO HAVE HERE.
UM, THAT IF THE VEHICLE IS TOWED, REMEMBER WE DO HAVE A, UH, SCHEDULE OF FEES FOR TOWING.
SO, UM, THERE WOULD BE AN ADDITIONAL TOW FEE FOR A VEHICLE THAT'S TOWED.
UH, SO I JUST WANTED TO POINT THAT OUT, THAT THERE WOULD BE THE ADMINISTRATIVE CITATION WITH WHATEVER FINE IS ASSESSED, UM, WITH THAT CITATION.
AND THEN THERE WOULD BE A FEE FOR TOWING AS SET FORTH IN THAT SCHEDULE.
FEES UNDER CHAPTER FOUR OR ARTICLE FOUR, APPENDIX A IN ADDITION TO WHATEVER THE TOWING COMPANY CHARGES, OR IS THAT THE CHARGE THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT IS THE CHARGE.
THE, THE, THAT WOULD BE IN THE SCHEDULE OF FEES.
SO THAT WOULD BE ASSESSED ON TOP OF THE ADMINISTRATIVE, NO OTHER CHARGES.
THE TOWING COMPANY COULDN'T COME IN AND SAY, THERE'S A HUNDRED DOLLARS, YOU KNOW, FEE, WHATEVER FEE.
I, I BELIEVE THE FEE, I THINK IT GOES UP TO 125.
YEAH, THE FEES GRADUATED, DEPENDING UPON WHAT POINT IN THE PROCESS YOU COME TO RETRIEVE YOUR VEHICLE.
SO IF THEY SHOW UP AND THEY DON'T HAVE TO HOOK IT UP, I THINK IT'S $75.
IF THEY SHOW UP AND HOOK IT UP, IT'S 125.
AND THEN IF THEY ACTUALLY TOW IT AWAY, IT'S 175.
AND, AND AGAIN, I DON'T REMEMBER CALL THE SPECIFIC NUMBERS, BUT THAT'S THE WAY THE SYSTEM'S SET UP.
THAT'S A, THAT'S A PROGRAM AND A FEE STRUCTURE THAT IS CONTRACTED ANNUALLY WITH THE TOW COMPANIES THAT HAVE BEEN APPROVED OR HOW, 'CAUSE IT'S IN OUR CODE, IT APPLIES TO EV EVERY NON-CONSENSUAL TOWING THAT OCCURS ON HILTON HEAD ISLAND, BE IT GENERATED BY THE TOWN OR BE IT GENERATED BY ANYBODY ELSE.
AND MAYBE MADAM CHAIR, YOUR QUESTION RELATES TO STORAGE FEES.
SO
AND IN ADDITION TO THE FEE TO TOW IT, THERE'S A STORAGE FEE.
AND IN THE SCHEDULE OF FEES THAT MAC REFERENCED,
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WE SPECIFY WHEN DOES THE STORAGE FEE BEGIN, AND THEN WHAT'S THE MAXIMUM DAILY STORAGE RATE THAT CAN BE CHARGED? I THINK LIKE, UM, THE OTHER DOCUMENT THAT CHAIR, UM, WOMAN BRYSON MENTIONED, IT'D PROBABLY BE A GOOD IDEA FOR THE COMMITTEE AND ALL COUNCIL MEMBERS TO DISTRICT HAVE THAT AGAIN IN FRONT OF THEM SO THAT IT'S FRESH IN THEIR MINDS.5 21 IS THE APPEALS, UM, SAME APPEAL STRUCTURE THAT WE JUST, UH, WENT THROUGH.
UM, IT JUST PROVIDES A, AN EXEMPTION FOR THAT TAMPERING WITH THE, UH, PARKING DEVICES.
SO AGAIN, FIRST, FIRST APPEAL WOULD BE MADE TO THE PARKING AUTHORITY, UH, P C I, FOR EXAMPLE.
AND THEN, UH, IF, IF THE PERSON WAS UNHAPPY WITH THE DECISION, THEY COULD APPEAL THAT TO THE TOWN, TO THE TOWN MANAGER.
AND THEN THIS IS TABLE ONE WHERE THE MAPS WOULD GO IF THAT IS THE DIRECTION THAT WE WANT TO GO IN.
BUT, SO THAT IS THE EXTENT OF THE ORDINANCE.
UM, SO FAIRLY SIMPLE, UM, ORDINANCE IN TERMS OF, UH, LENGTH, IT'S, IT'S NOT, YOU KNOW, EXTRAORDINARILY LONG.
SO, UM, BUT THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW.
AND SO, UM, I KNOW I'LL BACK UP MY LETTER.
THIS IS SOME ADDITIONAL INFORMATION THAT, THAT WE ARE REQUESTING OF THE COMMITTEE, UM, OR EVEN JUST DISCUSSION, UM, JUST TO, YOU KNOW, FURTHER DRILL DOWN ON HOURS OF OPERATION, WHICH I UNDERSTAND WE, WE WANT TO GATHER MORE DATA, SO WE HAVE, UH, SORT OF THE DIRECTION THAT WE NEED TO GO INTO TO BRING THAT TO YOU.
AND THEN ALSO THE, THE AMOUNT OF FINES, UM, IF, IF, IF THERE'S ANY DESIRE TO HAVE A DISCUSSION ON, ON THE, THE FINE STRUCTURE.
SO ARE THERE ANY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS RELATED TO THOSE TWO POINTS THAT MIKE BRINGS UP? UM, THE HOURS OF OPERATION, THOSE ARE, I WOULD SEPARATE IT INTO A COUPLE OF THINGS, BUT FIRST, SIX TO 9:00 PM ARE THE HOURS THAT WE HAVE.
UM, AND THEN FOR THE SUMMER HOURS THAT OUR PARKS ARE OPEN AND WINTER HOURS ARE SIX TO SIX, IS THERE ANY NEED FOR ANY DISCUSSION, UM, ABOUT CHANGING THAT AND, AND KEEPING ASIDE, UM, THE IDEA OF A PARKING, UM, WHEN THE PARKING BEGINS, SO FOLKS MAY GET UP TO GO SEE THE SUNRISE, STAY LATE FOR THE SUNSET, WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE, BUT NEVER BE THERE IN THE MORNING, LEAVE, YOU KNOW, SIX, MAYBE EIGHT O'CLOCK, WHATEVER.
SO PARKING FEES WOULD NOT NECESSARILY, UM, BE APPLIED DURING THOSE HOURS.
SO THE QUESTION IS, DO WE, ARE WE HAPPY WITH THOSE HOURS FIRST AND ARE THOSE ALSO THE SAME HOURS WITH, UM, FURTHER DISCUSSION DEPENDING ON DATA FEES WOULD BE PART OF THE BEACH PARKING PLAN? HAVE I GOT, IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE INTERESTED IN KNOWING IF THERE'S A REASON? OR DO WE JUST WANT TO KNOW WHETHER OR NOT WE'RE HAPPY WITH OUR PARTS BEING OPEN THOSE HOURS? UM, YES.
I, I THINK DO, DO WE WANT TO MAINTAIN THOSE HOURS? AND, AND SO JUST FOR CLARIFICATION TOO, IT IS SET, THE WINTER HOURS AND SUMMER HOURS ARE IN ACCORDANCE WITH DAYLIGHT SAVINGS TIME.
WE PROBABLY SHOULD MAKE THAT A POINT SO THAT THE BE THOSE DATES ARE CLEAR, ALEX? YEAH.
UM, I'VE GOT A COUPLE QUESTIONS FROM STAFF.
UM, BUT TO THE POINT THAT YOU'RE ASKING US, TO ME, THE ORDINANCE DOESN'T HAVE ANY, UH, SIGNIFICANCE WITHOUT THE FEES ASSOCIATED THROUGH RESOLUTION.
SO TO ME, THE TWO NEED TO BE PACKAGED TOGETHER AT SOME POINT.
SO I'M, I'M RELUCTANT IN BEING ABLE TO GIVE YOU AN ANSWER AS FAR AS OURS OPERATION, UM, AT THIS POINT WITHOUT HAVING THE DATA TO GO ALONG WITH THE RESOLUTION THAT WE WILL BE ATTACHING WITH THIS DOCUMENT.
SO, UM, TO ME, THE, I WAS A SORT OF A MUTE POINT AT THIS POINT.
WITHOUT THE DATA
LET'S SEE, I AGREE WITH MR. BROWN.
I, WE'VE ALREADY BROUGHT UP SEVERAL QUESTIONS ABOUT HOURS OF OPERATION, AND WE NEED THAT KIND OF DATA AND, AND THE
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P C I, UM, TO BE ABLE TO DETERMINE HOURS.I, I DON'T, I, I SURE CAN'T DECIDE IT TODAY.
UM, AND UH, WITH THE SPECIAL EVENTS I MENTIONED LIKE THE LANTERN PARADE IN NOVEMBER, UM, AND THEN OTHER EVENTS AT LOW COUNTRY CELEBRATION PARK.
UH, WHAT DOES THIS MEAN IF, IF WE DON'T HAVE SOME CLARIFICATION ABOUT THOSE THINGS? THE OTHER PART OF THE, UH, ORDINANCE, UH, WE'RE ADDRESSING, UH, PERMITTED SPECIAL EVENTS.
UM, BUT I'M WONDERING HOW WE ARE GOING TO DEAL WITH NON PERMITTED EVENTS.
UH, FOR EXAMPLE, CHAPLAIN PARK IS NOT ONLY A BEACH PARK AND A TENNIS PLACE, BUT IS ALSO A PLACE THAT ISLAND RECREATION CENTER USES FOR SOCCER.
UM, SO TO ME THAT'S NON PERMITTED.
I'M NOT QUITE SURE HOW THAT'S DEALT WITH IN THE ORDINANCE.
I'M ASSUMING THAT THERE'LL BE SOMETHING THAT THE TOWN MANAGER WILL BE ABLE TO GIVE SOME EXCEPTIONS TO.
BUT TO ME THAT LOCKING IT DOWN WITH JUST PERMITTED EVENTS MAY NOT GIVE US THE LEEWAY IN THE ORDINANCE, IS WHERE I'M THINKING.
THAT'S WHERE SOME OF THE DISCUSSION COMES INTO.
AND CHAPLAIN'S A PERFECT EXAMPLE WHERE IT CHANGES FROM PRIMARILY A BEACH ACCESS POINT TO A SOCCER, UM, PARENTS AND PRACTICE AND GAMES.
UM, AND SO I THINK WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THAT A LITTLE BIT IN THE PAST AND ACKNOWLEDGED THAT IN THAT STRUCTURE OF HOW THINGS CAN BE TURNED ON AND TURNED OFF AND CHANGED, UM, THROUGHOUT THE YEAR, THAT'S WILL LIKELY, IN MY OPINION, SHOULD HAPPEN AT CHAPLAIN, FOR INSTANCE, UM, WHEN THE PARKING NEEDS CHANGE, SO DOES THE PARKING FEE REQUIREMENTS AND THE USE OF THE PARK CHANGES BECAUSE YOU'RE RIGHT.
ANYONE ELSE? I HAVE A QUESTION FOR P C I SURE, ABSOLUTELY.
UM, DO WE HAVE A, UH, ANY ANTICIPATION OF, UM, ADDITIONAL COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH WHEN WE GO LIVE, UH, FOR ENFORCEMENT AND, AND THAT SORT OF THING? THE ONLY ADDITIONAL FEES WOULD BE IF WE CHOOSE TO IN, UH, INCREASE THE ENFORCEMENT HOURS.
RIGHT NOW IT'S JUST, UH, SINCE WE'RE REALLY WRITING WARNINGS, WE'RE DOING KIND OF AN ABBREVIATED SCHEDULE.
UM, BUT IF WE CHOOSE TO GO WITH LONGER HOURS TO MATCH THE HOURS OF OPERATION, AND THAT'S THE ONLY INCREASED FEE WOULD BE LABOR.
WHAT ARE THOSE ABBREVIATED, I'M SORRY, I'M NOT RIGHT NOW.
IT'S, UM, WEDNESDAY AND THURSDAY IT'S FROM 12:00 AM TO 4:00 PM AND THEN ON THE WEEKENDS IT'S 8:30 AM TO 4:30 PM UM, AND IF THERE'S EVENTS, THEN THEY STAY LONGER.
BUT TYPICALLY THAT'S THE SCHEDULE RIGHT NOW.
SO WHEN WE RECEIVE THE DATA BACK, AND IF WE DECIDE TO GO WITH A FULL-FLEDGED 6:00 AM TO 9:00 PM HOURS OPERATION WITH FULL ENFORCEMENT, THEN THERE'S A CHANCE THAT WE WILL HAVE A COST INCREASE AS FAR AS YOU BEING ABLE TO MAN THAT, IS THAT CORRECT? YEAH, FOR, UH, LABOR PAYROLL.
I THINK THAT'S GONNA BE IMPORTANT, MR. GRUBER, THAT WE HAVE SOME SENSE OF WHAT THAT COST IS GONNA BE, UM, TO HELP US AS WE SORT THROUGH WHAT THE FEE STRUCTURE LOOKS LIKE.
AND I NEGLECTED AT THE BEGINNING OF THIS MEETING TO WELCOME, UH, COUNCILMAN AMES, UH, TO OUR MEETING WHO'S ATTENDING TODAY.
AND AT THIS, UH, TIME, I'D LIKE TO INVITE YOU, DO YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS, QUESTIONS, INPUT INTO THIS DISCUSSION? I, I DO ACTUALLY.
AND A QUESTION THAT COMES TO MIND RIGHT OFF THE BAT IS THE NUMBER OF DAYS OF THE YEAR THAT KAGEY PARKING LOT IS FULL, OR OTHER BEACHES ARE FULL, BECAUSE I THINK THAT WOULD BEGIN TO GENERATE SOME LINE OF APPROACH TO THE FEES THAT WE'RE GONNA BE CHARGING, THE OPERATIONAL COSTS INVOLVED IN THAT, AND WHETHER OR NOT IN ANY STRETCH OF THE, UH, POSSIBILITY THAT WE WOULD WANT TO USE PRICING AS A DISINCENTIVE FOR ONE BEACH OR ANOTHER, FOR INSTANCE, IS THERE ANY RATIONALE WHY A HIGHER PRICE PER HOUR WOULD BE APPROPRIATE AT ISLANDERS AS OPPOSED TO DREESEN? JUST AS AN EXAMPLE? UM, I THINK THAT WE ALL WANT TO HAVE THIS BE A BALANCED BUDGET.
SO I THINK THAT THAT WHOLE ISSUE OF NUMBER OF DAYS THAT WE'RE
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GOING TO BE OPERATIONAL, OPERATING AT FULL CAPACITY IS SOMETHING WE NEED TO KNOW FAIRLY SOON.UM, I'M GONNA RAISE A ISSUE THAT CAME UP AT THE VERY, UH, START OF THIS KIND OF DISCUSSION.
AND I REMEMBER THAT THERE WAS SOME PUSHBACK FROM, UH, OFF ISLAND COMMUNITIES ABOUT THE WAY WE PROJECTED THE DISCUSSION.
SO I'M JUST BEING CAUTIOUS HERE.
UM, WE HAVE ISLAND EMPLOYEES WHO LIVE OFF ISLAND, AND I THINK THAT IS A SUBJECT THAT NEEDS SOME THOUGHT.
UM, AND EVEN, EVEN THE BROADER SUBJECT, AND I JUST AM BRINGING THIS UP BECAUSE I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE A THOUGHTFUL PROCESS TO GET US TO A CONCLUSION.
AND THAT IS, DO WE OFFER ANY NON-RESIDENT, UH, OFF ISLAND, UH, PASSES TO THE ISLAND AT SOME PRICE? UH, ONE, ONE THOUGHT ABOUT, UM, THE HOURS.
UH, I THINK THAT IN THE, IN YOUR CONVERSATIONS YOU CAME UP WITH, YOU KNOW, THERE'S SOME PEOPLE WHO LIKE TO GO TO THE BEACH TO SEE THE SUNRISE OR STAY TO SEE A SUNSET.
SO IF YOU'RE USING THE LANGUAGE OF TIME TO DAYLIGHT SAVINGS, I WOULD SAY 45 MINUTES BEFORE, OR 45 MINUTES AFTER, JUST SO THAT YOU ALLOW CITIZENS THAT PLEASURE.
AND THEN LASTLY, I NOTICED IN THE, UH, PRESENTATION IN ONE CASE WHERE BARKER FIELD WAS ATTACHED TO FISH HALL AND, AND OPERATIONALLY, I THINK AT THIS TIME THAT'S UNNECESSARY.
I THINK BARKER FIELD IS A PLACE THAT IF PEOPLE WANT TO PARK THERE AND WALK ALL THE WAY TO THE BEACH, THAT'S FINE.
SO THAT'S JUST A REACTION I HAVE HAVING BEEN OUT IN THAT AREA THAT MAYBE, UH, THE COMMITTEE WOULD WANT TO PULL THAT BARKER FIELD OUT OF THE, THE EQUATION.
THEY'RE ALL GOOD POINTS, BUT THAT LAST ONE IN PARTICULAR HADN'T OCCURRED TO ME FURTHER OF FURTHER DISCUSSION FOR SURE.
ANYTHING ELSE? ONE MORE THING.
MR. GRUER, UM, THERE'S A TIMELINE ASSOCIATED WITH THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT.
I'M CURIOUS TO KNOW, IS THIS TIMELINE ALSO ON OUR TOWN WEBSITE, ON OUR STRAP PLAN DASHBOARD OR ANY, BECAUSE I'M THINKING THAT SINCE THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS AND TECHNOLOGY IMPLEMENTATION THAT WERE TO HAPPEN NO LATER THAN JUNE 1ST, WHICH WE ARE PAST THAT AND NOT IMPLEMENTED, THIS OBVIOUSLY GONNA ADJUST OUR TIMELINE.
SO I'M JUST TRYING TO MANAGE EXPECTATIONS FROM THE COMMUNITY STANDPOINT IF THERE'S GONNA BE SOME ADJUSTMENTS TO THIS TIMELINE.
WE, WE CAN MAKE THIS INFORMATION AVAILABLE AND MAKE SURE THAT IT LINES UP WITH THE INFORMATION ON THE DASHBOARD SO THAT THE TWO ARE PERFECT UNIFORM.
AND I WOULD SAY ALONG WITH THAT, I THINK IT WAS THE HOPE AND THE INTENT, UH, THE HOPE, THE INTENTION TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYTHING IS IN ORDER AND UP AND WORKING AS INTENDED, UM, BEFORE WE BEGIN THE NEXT SEASON, EACH SEASON, UM, COMING UP 2024.
IS THAT CORRECT? YEAH, I, I CAN TELL YOU KIND OF OUR INTERNAL GOAL IS TO HAVE THE OUTLINE OF THE PROGRAM ADOPTED AND IN PLACE BY THE END OF THE CALENDAR YEAR.
THAT WAY THERE'S A COUPLE OF MONTHS THAT WE CAN MAKE SURE THAT IT'S, YOU KNOW, KIND OF THAT SOFT TEST BEFORE IT GOES LIVE.
AND THEN THAT WAY BEFORE MARCH AND APRIL OF NEXT YEAR, IT'S IN PLACE AND READY TO GO.
AND, UM, THE NEXT NEW BUSINESS ITEM IS DISCUSSION OF APPOINTMENTS OF A TOWN OF HILTON HEAD ISLAND REPRESENTATIVE TO THE MILITARY ENHANCEMENT COMMITTEE OF BEAUFORT COUNTY, MR. BREWER.
IN THE MATERIALS FOR TODAY'S, UH, DISCUSSION, YOU'LL SEE THAT THE TOWN RECEIVED CORRESPONDENCE FROM, UH, IAN SCOTT, PRESIDENT AND C E O OF THE BEAUFORT REGIONAL CHAMBER OF COMMERCE.
THE BEAUFORT REGIONAL CHAMBER OF COMMERCE IS THE ENTITY THAT CREATED THE MILITARY ENHANCEMENT COMMITTEE.
UM, AND IT WAS FORMED PRIMARILY FOR THE PURPOSE OF SUPPORTING THE MILITARY INSTALLATIONS THAT ARE PRESENT WITHIN BEAUFORT COUNTY, PROTECTING THOSE BECAUSE IT OVERALL PROVIDES, UH,
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ECONOMIC BENEFIT TO THE ENTIRE REGION, HAVING THOSE INSTALLATIONS IN PLACE AND MAKING SURE THAT THEY ARE PROTECTED FROM ANY KIND OF DISCUSSION, SUCH AS A BASE REALIGNMENT, COMMISSION BASE, CLOSINGS, THINGS LIKE THAT.UM, SO THIS GROUP HAS, HAS EXISTED FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS WITH THAT AS ITS PURPOSE.
UH, AND THEY HAVE CONTACTED THE TOWN AND INQUIRED IF WE WOULD LIKE TO APPOINT SOMEBODY TO SIT ON THEIR BODY ON BEHALF OF THE TOWN.
AND SO IN THE MATERIALS THAT YOU HAVE HERE, YOU HAVE A LIST OF THE CURRENT MEMBERSHIP, WHAT THOSE, UH, MEMBERSHIP POSITIONS REPRESENT IN TERMS OF APPOINTMENTS.
AND THEN ULTIMATELY, IF THE TOWN DOES DESIRE TO MAKE AN APPOINTMENT, THEN WE'LL DISCUSS THE ACTUAL NAMES FOR THAT APPOINTMENT IN EXECUTIVE SESSION.
BUT WE WANTED TO BRING THIS FORWARD IN TERMS OF THE REQUEST ITSELF, THE NATURE OF THE REQUEST, WHAT THE ORGANIZATION DOES, AND ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE.
THAT WAY YOU CAN POTENTIALLY MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO COUNSEL REGARDING THIS REQUEST, IF YOU HAVE ONE.
ANY QUESTIONS, ALEX? THANK YOU.
UM, JOSH, UH, I GUESS FIRST, DO WE KNOW HOW LONG THIS, UH, COMMITTEE HAS BEEN IN EXISTENCE? UH, YES.
AND IF IT'S NOT IN THE MEMO, I CAN TELL YOU.
IT, IT GOES BACK, I BELIEVE, TO THE EARLY TWO THOUSANDS.
UM, AT A TIME WHEN THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT HAD STARTED TALKING ABOUT CUTTING THE MILITARY SPENDING AND CLOSING MILITARY BASES ACROSS THE COUNTRY, THAT'S WHEN THIS ENTITY WAS FORMED.
IT WAS HISTORICALLY FUNDED, UM, BY BEAUFORT COUNTY IN TERMS OF FINANCIAL CONTRIBUTIONS.
AND THOSE CONTRIBUTIONS WERE USED PRIMARILY TO SECURE LOBBYING SERVICES IN THE DC AREA SO THAT AS THESE DISCUSSIONS WERE OCCURRING, THAT BEAUFORT WOULD BE REPRESENTED IN TERMS OF PROTECTING ITS INTERESTS IN THE BASE.
'CAUSE WE'VE GOT THE AIR STATION, UH, THE MARINE CORPS RECRUIT, TRAINING DEPOT, AND THEN THE NAVAL HOSPITAL.
SO ALL THREE OF THOSE ARE UNDER THAT UMBRELLA OF WHAT THEY TRY TO PROTECT.
SO, UH, EARLY TWO THOUSANDS IS MY BEST RECOLLECTION THAT THEY'VE BEEN IN EXISTENCE SINCE THE HUNDRED K, UM, THAT THEY'RE RECEIVING FROM THE COUNTY IS BASICALLY USED FOR LOBBYING.
AND, UM, ARE THEY OPERATING UNDER ANY BYLAWS OR, SO THEY OPERATE AS A COMMITTEE OF THE BEAUFORT REGIONAL CHAMBER OF COMMERCE.
AND SO THAT'S THE ENTITY BY WHICH THIS GROUP WAS CREATED.
UM, IF THEY HAVE ANY SPECIFIC BYLAWS, I, WE WERE NOT PROVIDED A COPY OF THEM AND THERE'S NOT ONE POSTED ON THEIR WEBSITE, BUT WE CAN CERTAINLY INQUIRE IF THEY HAVE ONE AND THEN SHARE IT WITH Y'ALL.
AND I GUESS THE ONLY OTHER QUESTIONS SLASH COMMENT THAT I HAVE HERE IS, UM, AND I UNDERSTAND THE, UH, THE SIGNIFICANCE OF IT, AND WE DEFINITELY WANNA MAKE SURE THAT MILITARY BASIS STAY AS PART OF OUR ECONOMIC DRIVERS HERE, UM, AND COUNTY.
UM, BUT THE CONNECT TOUR BACK TO US AS A COUNCIL MM-HMM.
IF THEY DON'T HAVE A OPERATIONAL STRUCTURE AT THE MOMENT, THEN I'M NOT QUITE SURE THAT I UNDERSTAND THAT COMPLETELY.
UM, SO THAT, THAT'S SOMETHING ELSE THAT I'D LIKE TO SEE IN PLACE.
SO THAT DOCUMENT, I AGREE, WOULD BE IMPORTANT FOR US TO HAVE TO KNOW EXACTLY WHAT WE WERE ASKING FOLKS TO BE PART OF.
AND BEFORE I SPEAK, I'M GONNA ASK THE REST OF THE COMMITTEE.
STEVE, DO YOU HAVE ANY THOUGHTS OR COMMENTS? PATSY? UM, IT, IT HELPS.
I DID SEE YOUR, YOUR RECORD EARLY TWO THOUSANDS.
A COVER LETTER FROM MR. SCOTT SAYS, FOUNDED IN 2003, IT'S PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP, AUXILIARY COMMITTEE OF BUFORT, REGIONAL CHAMBER OF COMMERCE.
HAS THE TOWN EVER HAD A REPRESENTATIVE ON THIS COMMITTEE? TO MY KNOWLEDGE, NO.
UM, THERE ARE OTHER, UH, CITIES OR TOWNS WHO ALSO HAVE HAD OR CURRENTLY HAVE, I FINALLY GOT THE INTERNET TO WORK ON MY IPAD HERE.
UM, AND THERE'S SOME OTHER ORGANIZATIONS WHICH HAVE REPRESENTATIVES.
UH, DO YOU KNOW HOW THEY GO ABOUT CHOOSING THEIR REPRESENTATIVES? UH, SO MY UNDERSTANDING IS THE MAYOR MAKES THE APPOINTMENT.
AT LEAST THAT'S WHAT WAS INDICATED TO US IN THE LETTER THAT CAME OVER FROM MR. SCOTT.
UM, AND I THINK IT MAKES A LITTLE BIT OF SENSE IN THAT BOTH THE MAR MARINE RECRUIT TRAINING DEPOT IN THE NAVAL HOSPITAL ARE WITHIN THE MUNICIPAL BOUNDARIES OF PORT ROYAL AND THE AIR STATIONS WITHIN THE MUNICIPAL BOUNDARIES OF THE CITY OF BEAUFORT.
SO I UNDERSTAND THAT'S WHY I THINK BOTH HAVE REPRESENTATIVES ON THERE.
BEAUFORT COUNTY, OF COURSE HAS REPRESENTATIVES.
UM, AND THEN I WILL SAY THAT THE GREATER ISLAND COUNCIL HAS TWO REPRESENTATIVES CURRENTLY ON THIS BODY, AT LEAST BASED UPON WHAT WAS PRESENTED TO US.
HAS BLUFFTON, UH, HAD ANY REPRESENTATION, DO YOU KNOW? TO MY KNOWLEDGE, NO.
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UM, DO WE KNOW HOW THE OTHER MUNICIPALITIES GO ABOUT OR HOW THE MAYOR THOSE GOES ABOUT OTHER APPLICATIONS REQUESTED OR WHAT'S DO WE KNOW THE PROCESS AT, AT THIS POINT, WE DON'T KNOW THE PROCESS FOR ANY OF THE SPECIFIC MUNICIPALITIES.UM, IF THERE IS ANYTHING SET FORTH IN THE BYLAWS, IF WE REQUEST A COPY OF THAT DOCUMENT AND IT DOES EXIST, WE CAN PROVIDE THAT.
OTHERWISE WE CAN CONTACT THOSE MUNICIPALITIES AND ASK THEM HOW THEY GO ABOUT MAKING THE APPOINTMENTS.
UM, IF I HAD TO, UH, ASSUME AT THIS POINT, MY ASSUMPTION WOULD BE THAT ULTIMATELY, UM, THE MAYOR EITHER UNILATERALLY MAKES THE APPOINTMENT UNDER THEIR PREROGATIVE OR THEY DISCUSS IT WITH COUNCIL, SIMILAR TO WHAT WE DO HERE, AND THEN ULTIMATELY THE MAYOR MAKES THE RECOMMENDATION, BUT IT'S AS A RESULT OF A CONCURRENCE OF COUNCIL IN THAT REQUEST.
SOUNDS LIKE WE NEED SOME MORE INFORMATION BEFORE WE CAN FIGURE OUT WHAT, IF ANYTHING, TO DO SO ARE, ARE THEY, UH, DO YOU KNOW IF THEY ARE HAVING REGULAR MEETINGS OF ANY SORT? UM, AT THIS POINT, I THINK THEY DO MEET REGULARLY AND THEY DO PREPARE AN ANNUAL, UH, BUDGET THAT THEY SUBMIT TO BEAUFORT COUNTY.
NOW, THE FREQUENCY OF THOSE MEETINGS, I DON'T BELIEVE IT'S VERY FREQUENT.
UM, AGAIN, UNLESS THERE'S A, A THREAT TO THE BASIS, I THINK THEY'RE KIND OF MORE IN A PASSIVE LET'S, LET'S KIND OF MONITOR AND MAKE SURE WE'RE READY IN CASE ANYTHING COMES UP.
MAYBE WE COULD ASK FOR SOME LIKE THE MINUTES FROM THE LAST YEAR OR SO.
THERE'S ONLY ONE SET OF MINUTES.
I
WELL, I THINK IN GENERAL WHAT WE'VE HEARD IS WE NEED ADDITIONAL INFORMATION.
SO, UM, AS THAT COMES IN, UM, I WOULD SAY WE DON'T NEED TO WAIT FOR AN NEXT MEETING TO RECEIVE IT.
JUST IF IT COULD BE SENT OUT, UM, WE WILL HAVE A BETTER UNDERSTANDING AND MAYBE CAN, UH, MOVE IT QUICKLY THROUGH.
UM, BUT OTHER THAN A REPRESENTATIVE, THEY'RE NOT ASKING ELSE FOR ANYTHING ELSE, RIGHT? THERE'S NO, AT THIS POINT, NO.
SO I'LL BE READING BETWEEN THE LINES WITH REGARD TO THAT.
UM, ALSO, MS. LONG WHILE YOU'RE HERE, UH, THE NEXT NEW BUSINESS AGENDA ITEM IS, UM, THE DISCUSSION OF AN APPOINTMENT OF A TOWN OF HILTON HEAD ISLAND REPRESENTATIVE TO THE BEAUFORT COUNTY SALES TAX ADVISORY COMMITTEE.
UM, SIMILARLY TO OUR LAST DISCUSSION, THIS MATTER CAME ABOUT AS A RESULT OF BEAUFORT COUNTY ADOPTING RESOLUTION 2023 DASH 32, WHEREIN IT CREATED A SALES TAX COMMISSION PURSUANT TO REQUIREMENTS LISTED UNDER STATE LAW.
AND SO WE'VE RECEIVED THIS CORRESPONDENCE.
THEY'VE ADVISED THAT THEY WOULD LIKE THE TOWN TO CONSIDER MAKING AN APPOINTMENT TO THE SALES TAX ADVISORY COMMITTEE.
THE COMMITTEE WILL CONSIST OF SIX MEMBERS, THREE OF WHICH WILL BE FROM, UM, BEAUFORT COUNTY COUNCIL TO REPRESENT THE UNINCORPORATED AREAS OF BEAUFORT COUNTY.
AND THEN THREE APPOINTMENTS WOULD COME FROM MUNICIPALITIES WITHIN BUFORT COUNTY.
AND THEY'RE USING THE FORMULA SET FORTH UNDER THE STATUTE, WHICH IS TO PRIMARILY LOOK AT POPULATION AND SALES TAX, SALES TAX POINT OF COLLECTION.
AND THOSE TWO THINGS COME TOGETHER TO IDENTIFY WHO HAS REPRESENTATIVES.
AND SO WHAT THEY'RE, UH, CALLING FOR IS ONE REPRESENTATIVE FROM HILTON HEAD, ONE REPRESENTATIVE FROM BLUFFTON, AND THEN A JOINT REPRESENTATIVE FROM THE CITY OF BEAUFORT IN THE TOWN OF PORT ROYAL TO SERVE ON THIS SIX MEMBER COMMITTEE.
ALSO INCLUDED IN THE MATERIALS IS INFORMATION THAT THE COUNTY PROVIDED PURELY AS A PRELIMINARY BASIS AND AS A WHAT IF, UM, DISCUSSION POINT IN TERMS OF HOW THE PENNY SALES TAX COULD POTENTIALLY BE STRUCTURED.
THIS IS THE MEAT OF WHAT AN APPOINTEE WOULD REALLY WORK ON WITH THIS COMMITTEE IS IRONING OUT WHAT IS THE NATURE OF THE SALES TAX, WHAT IS THE DOLLAR VALUES INVOLVED, THE TIMEFRAMES INVOLVED IN THE PO PROJECTS TO BE FUNDED.
AND SO, AGAIN, AS AN EXAMPLE, THAT INFORMATION WAS INCLUDED, BUT IT IS SUBJECT TO THE COMMITTEE GOING THROUGH THE PROCESS AND MAKING A FORMAL RECOMMENDATION TO BEAUFORT COUNTY COUNCIL WHO WOULD THEN BE IN A POSITION TO CONSIDER ACTUALLY CALLING FOR A REFERENDUM IN THE NOVEMBER, 2024 ELECTION.
ANY QUESTIONS? ALEX
UH, SO AS FAR AS THE REPRESENTATION OF BEING SUGGESTED MUNICIPAL SIDE YEP.
POPULATION AND SALES TECH COLLECTION.
SO BASICALLY WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS THAT THE CITY OF
IF, IF I UNDERSTAND THE MATH CORRECTLY, WE ARE JUST SHY
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OF OTHERWISE QUALIFYING FOR TWO APPOINTMENTS BASED UPON POPULATION AND SALES TAX POINT OF COLLECTION.UM, HAD IT BEEN A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO, THAT MIGHT'VE BEEN THE CASE.
NOW THE TOWN OF BLUFFTON IS EXPANDING, THERE'S MORE ACTIVITY THERE.
SO OUR PERCENTAGE AS COMPARED TO THE REGION IS LESS, BUT IT'S STILL THEN ONE PERSON FROM HILTON HAD ONE PERSON FROM BLUFFTON AND A SPLIT SHARED REPRESENTATIVE NORTH OF THE BROAD, UM, I'M GONNA HAVE TO ANSWER THIS TODAY, BUT I'M CURIOUS OF HOW SHY, UM,
UM, BUT, BUT I THINK IT'S, UM, THIS MAY BE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO HAVE, UH, THE CONVERSATION WITH OUR COUNTERPARTS, UM, AS FAR AS WHAT THAT REALLY LOOKS LIKE, BECAUSE ALL, UM, SELFISHLY I GUESS WANT TO ARGUE HERE IN HILTON HEAD THAT WE ARE A MAJOR CONTRIBUTOR MM-HMM.
AND WHEN IT COMES TO TRANSPORTATION, UM, YOU KNOW, WE ARE A LOT DIFFERENT THAN THE REST OF THE COUNTY 'CAUSE OF OUR WATER BOUNDARIES AND SO OF BEING A CUL-DE-SAC.
SO, UM, I GUESS I'M NOT AS COMFORTABLE WITH JUST HAVING ONE REPRESENTATIVE.
WHEN YOU START TO LOOK AT THE, THE TASK AT HAND AS FAR AS IDENTIFYING PROJECTS AND THAT SORT OF THING, A LOT OF THAT'S SORT OF BAKED ALREADY.
UM, YOU KNOW, WHAT INFLUENCE ONE PERSON MAY HAVE, I'M NOT QUITE SURE WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE.
UM, SO I GOTTA SAY I GOT A LITTLE HESITANCY, HESITANCY ON THIS, UM, AT, AT, AT, AT THE MOMENT.
UM, THAT, THAT'S PROBABLY MY MY MY BIGGEST COMMENT SLASH QUESTION, OR WE CAN CERTAINLY GET YOU THE DATA.
MY MY BELIEF IS IT COMES FROM THE, UH, CENSUS FIGURES AND THEN IT COMES FROM THE DEPARTMENT OF REVENUE IN TERMS OF, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE THE ONES THAT COLLECT THE SALES TAX.
AND SO MY GUESS IS WE CAN CERTAINLY PROVIDE THAT DATA, BUT TO YOUR POINT, UH, THE COUNTY'S ALREADY ADOPTED THE RESOLUTION.
THEY'VE ALREADY CREATED THE COMMITTEE, IT NOW EXISTS GOING FORWARD.
UM, AND FRANKLY, WE GOT NOTIFIED AFTER THEY HAD ALREADY ADOPTED THE RESOLUTION, THAT OUR REQUESTED PARTICIPATION WAS GONNA BE FORTHCOMING.
SO FAIR TO SAY THAT THE PRIMARY PURPOSE OF THIS COMMITTEE IS TO SELL PRI UH, THE SALES TAX EFFORT TO THE COMMUNITY.
UH, I THINK THAT THE FACT THAT THEY'VE HIGHLIGHTED THAT THEY DON'T WANT ELECTED OFFICIALS AND THEY DON'T WANT STAFF TO BE THE REPRESENTATIVE SHOULD THE TOWN MAKE AN APPOINTMENT, IS PROBABLY REFLECTIVE OF THE DESIRE THAT WHOEVER IS APPOINTED, ASSUMING THAT IT GOES FORWARD AND COUNT COUNTY COUNCIL PUTS IT ON THE BALLOT, THAT THAT PERSON WOULD HAVE THE KNOWLEDGE TO BE ABLE TO GO OUT IN THE COMMUNITY AND EXPLAIN THE PROGRAM TO FOLKS, UH, FROM AN EDUCATIONAL STANDPOINT.
YOU KNOW, ONE COMMENT WE'VE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT IS THE TIMING OF IT.
THEIR RESOLUTION WAS ADOPTED JUNE 12TH.
IT LOOKS LIKE THE LETTER LETTER TO THE MAYOR WAS JULY 21, I THINK IT WAS.
UM, I'M VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THIS COMMITTEE'S ROLE IN BEING AN ADVOCATE FOR A REFERENDUM.
UM, I KNOW THAT IF, IF WE WERE GOING TO SCHEDULE REFERENDUM, WE, WE SHOULDN'T EVEN BE APPOINTING PEOPLE TO THE COMMITTEE.
SO I'M NOT QUITE SURE HOW THE COUNTY CAN DO IT.
AND, AND SO I'M VERY CONCERNED ABOUT OUR LEGAL PARTICIPATION IF THAT CAN BE SENT BACK TO THE TOWN ATTORNEY.
UM, I, I CERTAINLY DON'T WANNA EVEN ENTERTAIN THOUGHT ABOUT THIS UNTIL WE ADDRESS THAT QUESTION.
SO THAT WAS NOT OUR REFERENDUM, BUT
AND WE ACTUALLY DID A GREAT DEAL OF RESEARCH ON THIS BACK WHEN WE WERE LOOKING AT THE MUNICIPAL, LOCAL OPTIONS SALES TAX BACK IN 2022.
AND ULTIMATELY IT'S A FINE LINE, BUT THERE IS A LINE BETWEEN ADVOCACY AND EDUCATION AND WHAT THE STATE ETHICS COMMISSION WILL TELL YOU IS THAT EDUCATION, THE WHO, THE WHAT, THE, WHEN, THE WHERE THE HOW IS ABSOLUTELY PERMISSIBLE BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO BE ABLE TO INFORM THE ELECTORATE BEFORE YOU CAN ASK THEM TO VOTE ON SOMETHING.
ADVOCACY, HOWEVER, IS STRICTLY PROHIBITED AND ADVOCACY IS THAT IF YOU SEE ISSUE EIGHT, VOTE YES ON ISSUE EIGHT, AND THAT BY ANY PERSON WHO WOULD BE A PART OF THIS GROUP, ANY ONE OF YOU, UM, THAT BECOMES VERY DIFFICULT BECAUSE OF THE RESTRICTIONS THAT ARE IN PLACE WITH REGARDS TO ADVOCACY FOR REFERENDUM ITEMS. YEAH, I I'M VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THAT.
UM, SO I, UH, I I THINK MAYBE I, I WOULD SUGGEST THAT, UM, AT OUR NEXT TOWN COUNCIL MEETING, WE DISCUSS IT IN EXECUTIVE SESSION WITH OUR TOWN ATTORNEY BEFORE WE PROCEED.
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ANY PARTICIPATION I'M VERY SKEPTICAL OF BECAUSE I DON'T WANT IT TO SEEM AS THOUGH WE HAVE ENDORSED ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.UM, A REFERENDUM WITH ON THIS MATTER MM-HMM.
BUT IF, UM, WE CAN, IF THIS IS WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR, I THINK WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS MOVE THIS TO TOWN COUNCIL FOR AN EXECUTIVE SESSION DISCUSSION.
I SEE THAT THEY SAID SOMETHING ABOUT MID-AUGUST, RIGHT? UH, THAT WAS THEIR REQUEST TO HAVE AN APPOINTEE BY MID-AUGUST.
AND I THINK IN, IN THEIR RATIONALE, THEY WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THIS BEFORE COUNTY COUNCIL PRIOR TO THE END OF THE CALENDAR YEAR.
THAT WAY, IF THERE IS SOMETHING THAT IS GONNA GO FORWARD, THAT LEAVES THEM AMPLE TIME TO TRY TO THEN EDUCATE THE PUBLIC ABOUT THE ASPECTS OF WHAT'S BEING REQUESTED PRIOR TO THE NOVEMBER ELECTION.
SO IT, UH, IT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS THEY CAN'T COMPEL US TO, TO MAKE AN APPOINTMENT, BUT THEY HAD REQUESTED THAT IF WE COULD MAKE ONE TO MAKE ONE BY MID-AUGUST, THAT THEY COULD CONTINUE TO CONVENE AND IRON OUT THAT INFORMATION BEFORE THE END OF THE CALENDAR YEAR.
SO THIS PERSON, IF THEY WERE TO BE APPOINTED PART OF THIS COMMITTEE WOULD BE, UM, PART OF THE DECISION MAKING TEAM, UM, THEORETICALLY ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT GETS PUT ONTO THE, OR WELL, THEY'D BE PART OF THE ADVISORY TEAM THAT WOULD MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO COUNTY COUNCIL WHO WOULD THEN DECIDE TO ADD IT
AND, AND THEY WOULD HAVE THAT POWER TO DO THAT.
AND AGAIN, I'LL GO BACK TO MY CONCERN THAT WE LOOK COULD END UP LOOKING AS THOUGH WE'RE ADVOCATING WHEN WE'RE NOT, OR WE MIGHT BE.
BUT IT, IT, IT'S A DOUBLE-EDGED SWORD.
'CAUSE ON THE ONE HAND, IF IT'S GONNA GO FORWARD, YOU WANT TO HAVE A SEAT AT THE TABLE SO THAT YOU CAN TRY TO MAKE SURE THAT THE ISLANDS WELL-REPRESENTED AND IN PROJECTS THAT WE HAVE NEEDS FOR COME OUT OF THAT PROCESS.
BUT YOU'RE CORRECT, THERE'S ALSO A PERCEPTION THEN THAT WHATEVER COMES OUT IS SOMETHING THAT YOU SUPPORT AND THAT MAY OR MAY NOT BE THE CASE.
AND, AND THAT MAY BE ON THE AFTER, UH, YOU KNOW, THE SCHOOL BOND REFERENDUMS HAD SOME CHALLENGES AND THEN THEY HAD AN ADVISORY COMMITTEE ON THE FRONT END.
BUT IT HAD TO DO WITH REGARD TO WHICH PROJECTS WERE MM-HMM.
AND THAT'S A KEY, UH, DIFFERENCE.
AND THEN THERE'S A COMMITTEE, AS I UNDERSTAND IT FROM THE SCHOOL BONDS THAT NOW IS LOOKING AT THE PROJECTS ABOUT HOW THEY'RE BEING COMPLETED.
SO I THINK ON THAT SIDE, IF THERE WERE SUCH A REFERENDUM ADOPTED, UM, THEN, UH, WE DEFINITELY NEED TO HAVE VOICES, UM, ON THE OTHER END.
SO IT'S ALMOST A LITTLE BIT OF A CHICKEN IN THE EGG BECAUSE IN ORDER TO ADOPT THE REFERENDUM, YOU HAVE TO HAVE THE PROJECTS LISTED IN THAT DOCUMENT AT THE TIME THAT IT'S ADOPTED.
AND, AND SO MY UNDERSTANDING FROM THIS COMMITTEE IS THAT IS WHAT THEIR, THEIR FUNCTION AND ROLE IS GOING TO BE, IS TO HELP IDENTIFY WHAT ARE THE PROJECTS THAT THEY WANT TO INCLUDE IN THAT PROPOSAL TO COUNTY COUNCIL FOR THEIR CONSIDERATION.
IT'S CERTAINLY NOT EVIDENT FROM THEIR RESOLUTION LANGUAGE.
THE, THE CURRENT, UH, LIST OF PROJECTS, UM, THAT THEY HAVE.
JUDGE, DID THAT COME THROUGH A PARTICULAR COMMITTEE AT THE COUNTY LEVEL? DO YOU KNOW? AT THIS POINT? I, I THINK IT'S PROBABLY JUST COUNTY STAFF.
UH, THAT'S ESSENTIALLY WHERE THIS LIST WAS GENERATED IS FROM THEIR KNOWLEDGE, THEIR EXPERIENCES.
BUT, UH, AS I'M, UH, UNDERSTANDING IT, IT'S NOT REFERENCING SPECIFIC C I P BUDGETS OR ANYTHING THAT'S FORMALLY ADOPTED BY OTHER PARTIES.
IT'S JUST WHAT THEIR STAFF PUT TOGETHER FOR ILLUSTRATIVE PURPOSES.
AND, UM, DO WE HAVE A NEED FOR AN EXECUTIVE SESSION, UM, AT THIS POINT THAT WE DO AND THE, FOR DISCUSSION OF PERSONAL MATTERS PURSUANT TO THE SOUTH CAROLINA FREEDOM OF INFORMATION ACT, UH, 34 70 A ONE RELATED TO TOWN COUNCIL APPOINTMENTS, TO TOWN BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS, UH, SPECIFICALLY THE B Z A AND THE PARKS AND RECREATION COMMISSION.
AND I SHOULD GO BACK AND SAY BOARD OF IT ZONING APPEALS, E Z A.
IS THERE A MOTION? I MOVED SECOND.
THANK YOU EVERYONE FOR ATTENDING AND WE'LL BE BACK.
BEAUFORT COUNTY IS CONSTANTLY CHANGING AND WE'LL KEEP YOU INFORMED.
THE COUNTY CHANNEL, YOUR SOURCE FOR WHAT'S HAPPENING IN BEAUFORT COUNTY.
FROM COUNTY COUNCIL TO THE TOWN OF HILTON HEAD SCHOOL BOARD AND LOCAL EVENTS, THE COUNTY CHANNEL WILL KEEP YOU UP TO DATE.
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THE COUNTY CHANNEL, THE WORLD SERIES.THERE'S A SMASH TO RIGHT FIELD.
SHOT OVER THE RIGHT FIELD, RETURN FROM EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE.
CAN I HAVE A MOTION TO COME OUT OF EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE? I MOVED SECOND.
LET'S MAKE SURE OUR CLERK IS READY FOR US.
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CALL THE MEETING TO, UH, ORDER.
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I AM CAMPBELL AND THIS IS BEAUFORD COUNTY MOMENTS.
I WANT TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT FOOD TODAY.
THE FOOD HAS BEEN A GREAT PART OF OUR LIFE IN TERMS OF GATHERING FOOD AND PREPARING THEM.
OUR FOOD IS BASED ON THE LAND AND THE SEA.
THE LAND FOOD HAS ALWAYS BEEN RICE.
WE DON'T FEEL WE HAVE EATEN DINNER UNLESS WE'VE HAD RICE.
RICE WAS MIXED WITH VARIOUS ITEMS FROM THE SEA, LIKE OYSTERS OR SHRIMP.
AND WHEN THEY'RE COOKED WITH RICE IN ONE POT, WE CALL IT A RICE OR A SHRIMP, OR AN OYSTER PERLOW.
AND THEN WE HAVE THE WATERMELONS AND THE SWEET POTATOES.
SWEET POTATOES WAS ALWAYS EATEN WITH FISH AND FRESH FISH WITH GRAVY AND THE SWEET POTATO.
OKRA HAS ALWAYS BEEN A VERY IMPORTANT PART OF OUR FOOD WAYS.
WE, WE, WE RAISE THEM AS WELL AS WE PREPARE THEM WITH SHRIMP AND TOMATOES.
AND SOME PEOPLE WOULD CALL THAT A GUMBO.
AND THAT'S WHAT EXACTLY WHAT IT IS.
AND SO ENJOY THE FOOD OF THE LOW COUNTRY BECAUSE IT'S BEEN VERY MUCH A PART OF OUR HISTORY.
THIS HAS BEEN YOUR BEFORD COUNTY MOMENT.
TO SEE MORE BEAUFORT COUNTY MOMENTS GO TO THE BEAUFORT COUNTY LIBRARY HOMEPAGE AND CLICK ON THE LOCAL HISTORY TAB.
SINCE 1999, THE BEAUFORT COUNTY RURAL AND CRITICAL LAND PRESERVATION PROGRAM HAS BEEN WORKING TO PROTECT LAND DEEMED CRITICAL BY ITS RESIDENTS.
GIVEN OUR REGION'S RICH AND COLORFUL HISTORY, WE HAVE UNPARALLELED OPPORTUNITIES TO PROTECT REAL PIECES OF HISTORY FOR FUTURE GENERATIONS.
NATIVE AMERICAN SETTLEMENTS, FREEDMAN VILLAGES ON HILTON HEAD, THE PENN CENTER, SPANISH AMERICAN WAR SITES AND OTHERS.
THE PROGRAM PROTECTS OUR FORESTS AND WATERWAYS.
IT PROTECTS OUR RICH CULTURE AND SENSE OF PLACE.
IT BRINGS OUR PAST TO LIFE, A GIFT TO OUR CHILDREN, GRANDCHILDREN, AND GENERATIONS TO COME.
BEAUFORT COUNTY GREENWAYS WATERWAYS, A WAY OF LIFE.
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DR.GATES, TELL ME A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE TIMELINESS OF THE RECONSTRUCTION SERIES.
WHY NOW? 12 YEARS OF BLACK FREEDOM FOLLOWED BY AN ALT-RIGHT ROLLBACK, A PRESIDENT IMMEDIATELY, UM, FOLLOWING ABRAHAM LINCOLN, WHO REFUSED TO RENOUNCE WHITE SUPREMACY A CONSERVATIVE SUPREME COURT THAT EFFECTIVELY UNDID THE POWER OF THE 14TH AND 15TH AMENDMENTS.
WHAT'S THAT SOUND LIKE? CONTEMPORARY TIMES.
SO IT WAS OBVIOUS THAT WE COULD TEACH OUR FELLOW CITIZENS IN AMERICA ABOUT THE PERILOUS MOMENT IN WHICH WE'RE LIVING BY ANALOGY THROUGH TELLING THE STORY OF RECONSTRUCTION IN ITS ROLLBACK.
AND I FIRST STARTED THINKING ABOUT IT AFTER, UH, THE HORRIBLE MURDERS OF, UH, REVEREND CLEMENTA PINCKNEY AND THE OTHER INNOCENCE AT MOTHER EMANUEL CHURCH BECAUSE THE JUSTIFICATIONS THAT DYLAN ROOF, UH, SUMMONED FOR HIS ACTIONS, UM, WE'RE VERY REMINISCENT OF RACIST RHETORIC ABOUT BLACK PEOPLE IMMEDIATELY FOLLOWING THE CIVIL WAR AND FOLLOWING RECONSTRUCTION.
IT'S ALMOST LIKE A HORROR MOVIE WHEN YOU THINK THAT THE VAMPIRES DID, AND ALL OF A SUDDEN THEY COME UP OUTTA THE CASKET AND YOU THINK, DAMN, I THOUGHT I'D PUT A STAKE IN YOUR HEART.
I THOUGHT THAT THE WORST AND MOST PERNICIOUS, HEINOUS ASPECTS OF ANTI-BLACK WHITE SUPREMACY WERE LONG GONE.
AND THAT I WAS NAIVE ABOUT THAT.
AND WE'VE SEEN A RISE IN HATE SPEECH, ANTI-SEMITISM, ANTI-GAY ATTITUDES.
AND PEOPLE, WHEN PEOPLE BECOME FRIGHTENED, PARTICULARLY ABOUT THEIR ECONOMIC FUTURE, THEY LOOK FOR SCAPEGOATS.
AND THE SCAPEGOATS TRADITIONALLY HAVE BEEN JEWISH PEOPLE, WOMEN, GAY PEOPLE, AND OF COURSE IN THIS COUNTRY, PEOPLE OF COLOR.
UM, LET'S DON'T GO BACK TO WHAT HAPPENED WITH THE ROLLBACK TO RECONSTRUCTION.
RECONSTRUCTION IS SUCH AN IMPORTANT PART OF AMERICAN HISTORY, AND YET IT IS SO MISUNDERSTOOD.
WHY IS THAT? WHY IS IT THAT WE DON'T HAVE A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF THIS PERIOD AND WHAT IT ACTUALLY MEANT? WELL, WE, WE, DU BOIS WROTE A BOOK IN 1935 CALLED BLACK RECONSTRUCTION, AND ONE CHAPTER'S CALLED THE PROPAGANDA OF HISTORY.
AND HE ANALYZES HOW WHITE HISTORIANS HAD WRITTEN ABOUT RECONSTRUCTION, AND THAT WAS PART OF THE ROLLBACK TO CREATE A MYTH MYTHOLOGY OF BLACK INCOMPETENCE THAT BLACK MEN HAD BEEN ELECTED TO OFFICE AND COULDN'T PROPERLY SERVE.
THAT BLACK VOTERS HAD BEEN MANIPULATED BY NORTHERN S SCALLY, WAGS AND CARPET BAGGERS, THAT BASICALLY THEY WERE TOOLS AND PAWNS THAT THEY WERE DISHONEST.
UH, ROBERT SMALLS, IT WAS ONE OF THE GREATEST, UM, HEROES OF THE CIVIL WAR AND RECONSTRUCTION SERVED FIVE NON-CONSECUTIVE TERMS IN CONGRESS BECAUSE HE WAS CONSTANTLY BEING ACCUSED YET OF STEALING MONEY AND MISAPPROPRIATING FUNDS.
THEY WERE, UM, THERE WAS A MYTHOLOGY SANCTIONED BY THE DISCIPLINE OF HISTORY LOCATED AT COLUMBIA UNIVERSITY CALLED THE DUNNING SCHOOL, LED BY HISTORIAN, PROFESSOR DUNNING.
AND THEY FOUND EVERY WAY TO INTRODUCE THE ACHIEVEMENTS OF BLACK PEOPLE.
AND THAT HAS ONLY BEEN UNDONE BY HISTORIANS SINCE DU BOIS PUBLISHED BLACK RECONSTRUCTION.
AND MOST NOTABLY UNDER THE LEADERSHIP OF ANOTHER COLUMBIA PROFESSOR, PROFESSOR ERIC FONER, WITH WHOM, UH, WE MADE OUR RECONSTRUCTION SERIES.
PLUS WE HAVE OVER 40 HISTORIANS DOING MODERN, UM, CUTTING EDGE SCHOLARSHIP ON RECONSTRUCTION THAT WHOM WE FEATURE IN THE SERIES.
SO IT'S VERY MUCH A COLLECTIVE, UM, SERIES AND IT'S VERY MUCH A COUNTERPOINT TO THE RECEIVED INTERPRETATIONS OF RECONSTRUCTION FABRICATED BY THE DUNNING SCHOOL.
WELL, FOR US, THIS IS THE PHONER SCHOOL.
IT, IT HAS A VERY SPECIAL MEANING.
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STATE OF SOUTH CAROLINA SO PIVOTAL TO AN UNDERSTANDING OF RECONSTRUCTION? SOUTH CAROLINA WAS GROUND ZERO FOR RECONSTRUCTION BECAUSE IT WAS A MAJORITY BLACK STATE.THE, UM, THERE'S A FAMOUS 1872 LITHOGRAPH OF THE FIRST COLORED SENATOR AND THE MEMBERS OF THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES.
AND THREE OF THOSE MEN IN THAT LITHOGRAPH WERE FROM SOUTH CAROLINA.
WHEN RICHARD T GREENER GRADUATED FROM HARVARD, THE FIRST BLACK MAN TO GRADUATE FROM HARVARD IN THE CLASS OF 1870.
WHERE WAS THE LAND OF OPPORTUNITY? WAS IT IN NEW YORK? WAS IT IN BOSTON, WAS IT IN PHILADELPHIA? CHARLESTON CAME TO CHARLESTON AND WENT TO, UH, COLUMBIA AND SERVED ON THE FACULTY, UM, AND TOOK LAW CLASSES THERE.
THE, UM, A BLACK MAN FROM ENGLAND, FROM LIVERPOOL, ENGLAND, ROBERT BROWN ELLIOT CAME TO, TO BOSTON IN 1867.
THE BRITISH NAVY COULD SMELL THE OPPORTUNITY HEADED STRAIGHT TO SOUTH CAROLINA AND WORKED FOR RICHARD HARVEY CAIN'S NEWSPAPER, THEN WAS ELECTED TO, TO CONGRESS.
AND UM, THIS WAS WHERE IT WAS AT, THIS IS WHERE IT WAS HAPPENING.
AND WHEN I INTERVIEWED REPRESENTATIVE CLYBURN, HIS OFFICE IN THE, IN THE CONGRESS, WELL, HE'S LONG BEEN A STUDENT OF RECONSTRUCTION.
YEAH, I MEAN IT'S LIKE A MUSEUM.
YOU GO IN THERE AND ALL THESE BROTHERS ARE ON THE WALL.
AND WE TALKED ABOUT THE FACT THAT, UH, SOUTH CAROLINA HAD A BLACK MAJORITY IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES.
YOU CAN'T IMAGINE THAT NOW SOUTH CAROLINA, EVEN IN THE 18TH CENTURY, WAS CALLED NEGRO COUNTRY.
UM, IT VERY SOON THAT WAS DISMANTLED.
SO IT'S NO SURPRISE THAT MANY OF THE MOST VICIOUS BATTLES OVER RACE OCCURRED HERE.
'CAUSE IT WAS AN ATTEMPT TO CONTROL THIS BLACK MAJORITY.
I WENT TO CALHOUN COLLEGE AT YALE UNIVERSITY, AND JOHN C. CALHOUN WAS AN INTELLECTUAL RACIST.
HE NOT ONLY WANTED SLAVERY TO CONTINUE, HE WANTED TO RESURRECT THE SLAVE TRADE
HE WAS A, HE WAS A ROUGH BROTHER.
UM, PARTICULARLY THE CHURCHES, FRATERNAL ORGANIZATIONS, SOCIAL ORGANIZATIONS, THE FACT THAT SO MANY OF THE SLAVES WANTED TO GET MARRIED AND LEGALIZE THEIR LOVE RELATIONSHIPS.
THE, UM, THE TAKING OUT OF ADS IN NEWSPAPERS TO REUNITE FAMILIES.
AND THE FACT THAT 80% OF THE ELIGIBLE BLACK MEN IN THE SOUTH REGISTERED TO VOTE IN WHAT I CALL THE FIRST FREEDOM SUMMER, THE SUMMER OF 1867, AND 500,000 OF THEM CAST THEIR VOTES IN THE GENERAL ELECTION OF 1868 FOR ULYSSES S GRANT.
AND PEOPLE FORMED SCHOOLS HISTORICALLY BLACK, WHAT WE NOW CALL HISTORICALLY BLACK COLLEGES AND UNIVERSITIES LIKE SHAW AND HOWARD, BUT ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS AND IN SOUTH CAROLINA, ALLEN AND BENEDICT AND CLAFLIN AB ABSOLUTELY.
AND YOU KNOW, JUST ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS THAT, THAT THE SLAVES HAD A HUNGER FOR LEARNING BECAUSE THEY KNEW THAT THE MOST VALUABLE THING THAT HAD BEEN KEPT FOR THEM WAS KNOWLEDGE OF READING AND WRITING.
AND THEY KNEW THAT WAS THE PATHWAY TO, TO SUCCESS.
ISN'T IT INTERESTING THAT PUBLIC EDUCATION GREW OUT OF THIS PERIOD? MM-HMM.
THERE WEREN'T PUBLIC STATEWIDE PUBLIC SCHOOL SYSTEMS AND THE RECONSTRUCTION GOVERNMENTS PARTICULARLY, UM, IN SOUTH CAROLINA, PARTICULARLY AS DESIGNED BY ROBERT SMALLS, UM, ESTABLISHED STATEWIDE PUBLIC SCHOOL EDUCATIONAL SYSTEMS, WHICH HADN'T BEEN DONE BEFORE, WHICH IS A SHOCK TO PEOPLE.
AND THAT'S BECAUSE BLACK PEOPLE UNDERSTOOD THE VALUE OF EDUCATION.
IT'S ALSO INTERESTING THOUGH THAT THINGS LIKE PUBLIC EDUCATION AND CERTAINLY, UH, ENFRANCHISEMENT AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, ALL THESE POSITIVES THAT GREW OUT OF THE RECONSTRUCTION PERIOD ARE STILL UNDER ASSAULT.
AND IT'S, WE HAVE TO, UM, ANY SOCIETY'S JUDGED BY THE QUALITY OF ITS PUBLIC EDUCATION.
AND WE AS AMERICANS SHOULD BE EMBARRASSED AT HOW WE'VE ALLOWED OUR PUBLIC SCHOOLS, WHICH ARE POPULATED BY BRILLIANT TEACHERS WHO ARE SO MOTIVATED, BUT THEY'RE UNDERPAID AND UNDER-RESOURCED.
AND, UM, WE SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF THAT.
YOU KNOW, PEOPLE HAVE, UM, A GENERAL IDEA THAT THE COLLAPSE OF RECONSTRUCTION WAS SOLELY IN THE HANDS OF THE SOUTH.
THE COLLAPSE OF RECONSTRUCTION WAS A CONSPIRACY BETWEEN ECONOMIC INTERESTS AND POLITICAL INTERESTS IN THE NORTH AND IN THE SOUTH.
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SAID 12 YEARS IS ENOUGH.THERE WAS A PAN ECONOMIC PANIC OF 1873, WHICH WAS CALLED THE FIRST GREAT DEPRESSION.
AND PEOPLE LOOKED AROUND AND SAID, WHY DON'T WE SPEND ALL OUR MONEY ON THESE NEGROES IN THE SOUTH? LET 'EM THRIVE.
AND THEY ACTED BARREL AS IF 200 YEARS OF SLAVERY COULD BE WIPED OUT WITH NO REPARATIONS, WITH, WITH, WITH, UM, NO BENEFITS GIVEN NO 40 ACRES IN A MULE, NO HELP.
UM, THAT EACH OF THESE PEOPLE WERE ON THEIR OWN.
NOT ONLY THAT NEW FORMS OF OPPRESSION WERE INSTITUTIONALIZED DEBT, PEONAGE, SHARECROPPING, THE RISE OF THE KLAN, THE RISE OF THE KOOK TERRORISM.
AND SO VERY MUCH RECONSTRUCTION IS ABOUT ISSUES THAT STILL ROYAL OUR SOCIETY TODAY.
WHO HAS THE RIGHT TO BE A CITIZEN? WHO HAS THE RIGHT TO BE AN AMERICAN? WHAT IS THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN POLITICAL AND ECONOMIC DEMOCRACY? AND WHAT IS THE ROLE OF TERRORISM IN THE HEALTHY FUNCTIONING OF A, OF A DEMOCRACY? WHAT'S THE ROLE OF THE CHIEF EXECUTIVE IN, IN THE FACE OF THE MANIFESTATIONS OF TERRORISM? HOW CAN WE HAVE THIS VERY BLATANT REMINDER FROM 150 YEARS AGO AND NOT BE MINDFUL OF ITS IMPACT TODAY? THAT'S WHY DYLAN MCGEE AND I MADE THIS SERIES, AND WITH P B S WE'LL GET, AND I AM ON THE ROAD, YOU KNOW, I FLEW DOWN TO BEAUFORT FROM HARVARD.
I JUMPED ON JETBLUE AND CAME DOWN HERE 'CAUSE I WANTED A SOUTH CAROLINA SCREENING TO REMIND PEOPLE THAT THIS IS GROUND ZERO, THAT THEN IS NOW, AND I WANNA DO ONE IN CHARLESTON.
UH, AND I WANNA DO ONE AT THE PENN CENTER.
IT IS VERY IMPORTANT THAT THE COUNTRY UNDERSTAND THAT WE MADE THIS SERIES ABOUT THE CURRENT RACIAL CLIMATE IN THE UNITED STATES, THOUGH IT'S THROUGH THE MIRROR AND THE ANALOGY OF RECONSTRUCTION AND ITS ROLLBACK CALLED REDEMPTION.
WHAT IS THE MEASURE OF SUCCESS FOR YOU FOR THIS SERIES? UM, FIRST OF ALL, I WANT RECONSTRUCTION MODULES.
FIRST, I WANT RECONSTRUCTION MODULES TO BE CREATED IN THE CLASSROOM.
SO THAT RECONSTRUCTION IS AS CENTRAL TO, OF COURSE, IN AMERICAN HISTORY AS THE CIVIL WAR IS, OR WORLD WAR I OR WORLD WAR II.
RECONSTRUCTION WAS OUR FIRST EXPERIMENT WITH INTERRACIAL DEMOCRACY, AND IT WAS CRUSHED.
AND THE ONLY WAY THAT WE'RE GONNA SURVIVE AS A SOCIETY IS IF WE FASHION FORMS OF INTERRACIAL DEMOCRACY AND COLLABORATION THAT ALLOW A MULTIPLICITY OF VOICES, SEXUAL ORIENTATIONS, RELIGIOUS BELIEFS, ET CETERA, GENDER IDENTITIES TO THRIVE AND LIVE IN HARMONY AND PEACE.
THAT'S MY GOAL IN CREATING THIS SERIES, AND I HOPE PEOPLE WILL WATCH IT.