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I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH STAND ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE.
BEFORE WE GET STARTED, UM, WITH THE AGENDA, IF ANYBODY WOULD CARE TO SPEAK DURING THE PUBLIC COMMENT SECTION REGARDING THIS SPECIFIC ISSUE, UM, YOU CAN PLEASE SIGN UP OVER HERE AND WE'LL, THEY'LL FORWARD YOUR INFORMATION UP.
I JUST WANNA MAKE A COUPLE OF COMMENTS REGARDING PUBLIC COMMENTS.
UM, WHEN YOU COME TO THE PODIUM, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME, ADDRESS FOR THE PUBLIC RECORD AND TURN, UM, BE RESPECTFUL OF THE PUBLIC FORM THAT YOU'RE IN.
THIS PUBLIC MEETING IS RECORDED AND THEREFORE IT BECOMES A MATTER OF PUBLIC RECORD, AS DOES ALL CORRESPONDENCE ON THIS ISSUE DIRECTED TO COUNTY OFFICIALS.
UH, PLEASE TRY TO AVOID REPEATING COMMENTS ALREADY OFFERED.
UH, PLACE YOUR CELL PHONES ON SILENT MODE, PLEASE, IF YOU NEED TO SPEAK WITH THE CALLER, PLEASE STEP OUTSIDE THE ROOM.
AND JUST A REMINDER, UM, THE PLANNING COMMISSION IS AN ADVISORY BODY TO COUNTY COUNCIL AS SUCH THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMENDATION ON THIS ISSUE GOES FORWARD TO COUNTY COUNCIL THROUGH THE LAND USE AND COMMUNITY SERVICES COMMITTEE, THEN TO COUNTY COUNCIL FOR THE REVIEW AND VOTING DETERMINATION.
SO THE PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMENDATION IS A STEP IN THE REVIEW PROCESS AND VOTING DETERMINATION BY COUNTY COUNCIL.
VO A PUBLIC NOTIFICATION'S BEEN MADE.
[4. APPROVAL OF MINUTES]
WE HAVE, UH, THE MINUTES FOR APPROVAL FROM JULY 6TH.AND ANY COMMENTS, QUESTIONS, HAVE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL.
MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE THE MINUTES.
SECOND IT, DO WE NEED A SECOND? DO WE HAVE A SECOND? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE.
[6. CITIZEN COMMENTS – NON-AGENDA ITEMS]
UM, FIRST ORDER OF BUSINESS.ANY, ARE, ANY, ANY CITIZEN WOULD LIKE TO COMMENT ON AND AN ISSUE THAT'S NOT ON THE AGENDA JUST HAS A BURNING ISSUE THAT THEY WANTED TO TALK ABOUT? THAT'S YOUR OPPORTUNITY.
[7. ZONING MAP AMENDMENT/REZONING REQUEST FOR 71.54 ACRES (R600 013 000 0008 0000 AND R600 013 000 0050 0000) LOCATED AT 1691 OKATIE HIGHWAY FROM T2 RURAL (T2R) TO T4 NEIGHBORHOOD CENTER (T4NC) AND T3 NEIGHBORHOOD (T3N) USING A VILLAGE PLACE TYPE OVERLAY (PTO) DEFERRED FROM THE JULY 6, 2023 MEETING]
MOVE FORWARD TO THE ACTION ITEMS. WE HAVE ONE MAJOR ITEM THIS EVENING.THE ZONING MAP AMENDMENT REZONING REQUESTS FOR 71.54 ACRES LOCATED AT 1 16 91 OKEE HIGHWAY FROM T TWO RURAL TO T FOUR NEIGHBORHOOD CENTER AND T THREE NEIGHBORHOOD USING A VILLAGE PLACE TYPE OVERLAY.
THIS WAS DEFERRED FROM OUR LAST MEETING ON JULY SIX TWO, 2023, UH, VIA CONTINUANCE REQUEST.
AS YOU SAID, THIS WAS DEFERRED FROM THE JULY 6TH, 2023 MEETING.
AT THAT MEETING, STAFF KIND OF WENT OVER OF WHAT THE KIND OF NUTS AND BOLTS OF A PLACE TYPE OVERLAY WAS.
WE HAD SOME REALLY GOOD CONVERSATION IN THAT HOPEFULLY EVERYBODY WAS ABLE TO LEAVE THAT MEETING, UNDERSTANDING A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THE PLACE TYPE OVERLAY, WHAT IT IS AND THE TYPE OF TOOL THAT COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT CODE ALLOWS IT AND HOW IT CAN BE APPLIED.
UM, AND THEN IN THAT, I THINK THERE WAS A LOT OF CONVERSATION AND A LOT OF QUESTIONS AND THAT KIND OF LED TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S DESIRE TO MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE THIS ITEM TILL TONIGHT.
AND IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THE APPLICANT AND THEIR TEAM HAVE PUT TOGETHER SOME PRESENTATIONS FOR YOU ALL TO GO THROUGH THAT.
AND UNLESS YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME, I'M GONNA LET THEM JUMP RIGHT IN AND KIND OF CONTINUE FROM WHERE WE LEFT OFF.
DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING FROM THE, THE COUNTY, THE TRANSPORTATION ISSUE, ANYTHING YOU WANTED TO DISCUSS FURTHER FROM THE COUNTY PERSPECTIVE? WELL, I THINK THERE'S SOMEBODY, I THINK THERE'S, I THINK THERE'S A TRANSPORTATION.
I THINK THAT'S A PART OF THE PRESENTATION PART FROM THE APPLICANT'S SIDE, YES.
QUESTIONS OF MARK? I MEAN, I'LL, I'LL BE HERE TO ANSWER, BUT I JUST THOUGHT WE'D JUST GET RIGHT IN, KIND OF PICK UP WHERE WE LEFT OFF.
AND WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT, SIR? GOOD EVENING, MR. CHAIRMAN.
MY NAME IS, UH, KEVIN DUKES AND I'M THE ATTORNEY FOR THE APPLICANT.
I'M WITH HARVEY AND BATTY WALL FIRM AND OTHER MEMBERS OF OUR TEAM TONIGHT HERE ARE DAN KEEFER WITH, UH, WHITMER JONES AND KEEFER, AND THEN DYLAN TURNER WITH, UM, HEMLEY HORN.
SO HE'S GONNA BE OUR TRAFFIC ENGINEER TO
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HOPEFULLY ANSWER SOME OF THOSE QUESTIONS.UH, FIRST I'D LIKE TO SAY THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING US OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE A LITTLE MORE OF YOUR TIME.
PUBLIC HAS DRIVEN UP AGAIN, SO I APPRECIATE THAT.
I KNOW MS. MCMILLAN TAKES THE PUBLIC COMMENT VERY SERIOUSLY.
WE HEARD THAT, WE HEARD WHAT THEY SAID.
SO I I THINK THAT WHAT WE'D LIKE TO SHOW TONIGHT IS THAT WE'VE TAKEN THAT INTO ACCOUNT ALONG WITH WHAT THE COMMISSION, THE COMMENTS AND THE QUESTIONS THAT WERE RAISED LAST TIME.
WE'VE ADDRESSED SOME OF THOSE.
WE'VE, UH, THE THINGS, SOME OF THE THINGS WHICH MAYBE WE DIDN'T MAKE CHANGES TO.
WE'RE TRYING TO PROVIDE MORE INFORMATION SO THAT IT CAN BE CLEAR EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE, WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR.
SO, UM, IN OUR LAST HEARING, UH, THERE WERE LOTS OF DISCUSSION.
THAT'S TRUE, BUT THERE WERE CERTAIN KEY ISSUES WHICH KIND OF RAISED TO THE SURFACE, WHETHER THAT BE THROUGH THE PUBLIC COMMENT OR THROUGH THE COMMISSION'S DIRECT QUESTIONING.
AND THOSE WERE THE ENCROACHMENT ON THE COMMUNITY.
SO HOW THIS NEW COMMUNITY WAS GONNA IMPACT THE EXISTING HOMES THAT WERE THERE.
UM, THERE WAS, UH, MR. CHAIRMAN AND MULTIPLE MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION HAD LOTS OF QUESTIONS REGARDING, UH, TRAFFIC IMPACTS TO SC ONE 70 AND THE GREATER ONE 70 CORRIDOR, AND ALSO HOW THAT FITS IN TO THE LONGER RANGE PLAN OF THE COUNTY.
WHAT'S IN PLACE NOW, WHAT MAY IN PLAY BE IN PLACE IN THE FUTURE.
AND SO WE, WE HOPE THAT THROUGH TONIGHT WE CAN SHOW YOU THAT THIS PROJECT IS ACTUALLY PART OF A SOLUTION FOR BOTH CHERRY POINT ROAD AND THE ONE 70 CORRIDOR.
AND NOT, NOT A PROBLEM, BUT RATHER PROVIDING OFFSITE IMPROVEMENTS, WHICH I THINK MR. CHAIRMAN, YOU HAD ASKED FOR VERY SPECIFICALLY, WHAT ARE WE DOING OFFSITE FROM HERE THAT ARE GONNA BE IMPLEMENTED INTO THE ONE 70 QUARTER? AND OUR TRAFFIC ENGINEER IS HERE TO SHOW THAT THERE ARE SPECIFIC ITEMS WHICH THE DEVELOPER WILL IMPLEMENT PAY FOR, WHICH ARE INCLUDED CURRENTLY IN THE LARGER SUPER STREET PLAN FOR SC ONE 70.
AND SO THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO WORK WITH, UH, THE COMMITTEE'S COUNCIL STAFF TO IMPLEMENT THOSE ROADWAY IMPROVEMENTS WITHOUT COST TO THE TAXPAYERS, AND QUITE FRANKLY, PROBABLY LONG BEFORE THEY WOULD BE IMPLEMENTED IN THE SUPER STREET CORRIDOR PLAN.
AND SO WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA BE VERY SPECIFIC ABOUT SOME OF THOSE ITEMS AND WE'LL ALSO BE ABLE TO ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS.
UH, THE THIRD ITEM WAS, UM, CHERRY POINT ROAD.
UM, WE HAVE HEARD FROM, UH, SOME OF THE COMMUNITY THAT IT'S NOT IN GREAT SHAPE NOW.
THERE'S, UH, UH, THERE ARE POTHOLES AND IT, IT DOESN'T, IT WON'T HOLD THIS, YOU KNOW, CAPACITY AND IT WON'T HOLD THE EXISTING CAPACITY THAT'S BEING BUILT AROUND IT.
THERE IS A PLAN IN PLACE, AND ACTUALLY OUR TRAFFIC ENGINEER CAN SPEAK TO THE PLAN IN PLACE THAT THE COUNTY HAS, UH, YOU, WITH US ACCESSING ONTO THIS ROAD, THE DEVELOPER ACCESS ON, THERE'S GONNA HAVE TO BE AN ENCROACHMENT, YOU KNOW, UH, GRANTED WITH THE COUNTY, THAT'S AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE COUNTY TO WORK WITH THE DEVELOPER TO WORK ON CHERRY POINT ROAD AS WELL.
AND THERE'S SOME SPECIFIC OFFSITE IMPROVEMENTS, WHICH TO CHERRY POINT ROAD, WHICH WILL BE DISCUSSED TOO.
SO WE THINK THAT CHERRY POINT ROAD WILL BE IMPROVED, THAT WILL BETTER SERVICE THE IMMEDIATE COMMUNITY, THE SCHOOL, AND THE LARGER, UM, SC ONE 70 CORRIDOR AND HELP THAT BECOME MORE FUNCTIONAL.
AND IF I COULD, I, I, I BOUNCE PAST THE ENCROACHMENT FOR THE COMMUNITY.
I KIND OF WANTED TO WAIT ON THAT BECAUSE THAT'S IMPORTANT.
A BIG CHANGE, UM, COMMISSIONER REEL THAT YOU HAD MENTIONED WAS, WAS IMPACT AND, UM, AND DENSITY AND ALSO THE, UM, THE BUFFER THAT CAME UP.
AND SO I, ONE OF THE SIGNIFICANT CHANGES WHICH MR. KEEFER WILL SPEAK TO IS THE BUFFER.
SO IT'S BEEN MORE THAN DOUBLED.
IT WENT, WENT FROM 20 FEET TO 50 FEET.
UM, AGAIN, THAT'S ANOTHER ITEM WHERE WE COULD CONTINUE ON THAT DISCUSSION WITH STAFF TO DETERMINE HOW THAT BUFFER LOOKS, HOW IT'S DETERMINED, BUT WHAT WE'RE PRESENTING NOW WITH THE CHANGE OF 50 FEET AS OPPOSED TO THE 20 FEET AROUND THAT EXISTING NEIGHBORHOOD.
THE OTHER ITEM THAT I WANTED TO BE A LITTLE BIT MORE SPECIFIC ABOUT, AND THIS WAS ON US, WE DIDN'T DO THIS LAST TIME, THIS WAS OUR FAULT, IS THAT TO THE COMMUNITY.
WE WANTED TO BE A LITTLE BIT MORE SPECIFIC ABOUT WHAT WAS TO BE BUILT AROUND YOUR HOMES AND YOUR EXISTING COMMUNITY WITH THE VILLAGE TYPE OVERLAY.
I'M SURE EVERY, EVERYBODY ON THIS COMMISSION KNOWS THIS AND PROBABLY MOST OF THE PUBLIC DOES.
THERE STARTS AT A MORE DENSE CENTER, UH, AT THE VILLAGE CENTER, SO TO SPEAK, AND THEN GOES BACK, THE BACK PORTION OF THIS IS TOWARDS THE EXISTING COMMUNITY.
AND THE PLAN THAT WE HAVE ARE FOR SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, UH, SIGNIFICANTLY LESS DENSE THAN THE OVERALL DENSITY THAT IS ALLOWED UNDER, YOU KNOW, T THREE.
AND THAT'S THE IDEA, IS THAT YOU GO FROM LESS DENSE TO MORE DENSE.
UM, AND I THINK WE'VE GOT SOME EXAMPLES OF WHAT WE WOULD HOPE THAT THAT MIGHT LOOK LIKE AND HONESTLY, WHAT THE CODE CALLS
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FOR UNDER T THREE.AND SO I WANTED, I, I TOLD THE TEAM IT WAS VERY IMPORTANT I THOUGHT TO THE COMMUNITY TO SEE, UH, GRAPHICALLY AND PICTORIALLY WHAT EXACTLY THAT MIGHT LOOK LIKE.
AND SO A LOT OF FOLKS HAVE BAD IMAGES IN THEIR MIND.
UH, QUITE HONESTLY, I WOULD TOO, UM, ABOUT WHAT MIGHT BE BUILT.
SO WE WANTED TO PROVIDE SOME EXAMPLES OF A, WE WANTED TO SHOW KIND OF THE LOT LINES AND JUST GENERALLY SHOW WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE IN A SINGLE FAMILY FORMAT NEAR THE COMMUNITY.
AND THEN ALSO TO SHOW WHAT THE CODE CURRENTLY COSTS FOR, UM, SOME IMAGES OF WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO, WHAT WE THINK WOULD BE A GOOD THING TO MEN.
IT'S NOT EXACT, BUT IT IS WHAT THE CODE WOULD PROVIDE.
SO HOPEFULLY TO GIVE SOME ASSURANCES THAT, UM, WHAT EVERYBODY EXPECTS TO BE THE WORST IS NOT WHAT WE'RE ASKING.
AND SO, UM, WITH THAT, I MEAN, THERE WAS SOME OTHER INFORMATION, UM, YOU PROVIDED TO YOU IN YOUR PACKET, BUT I THINK THOSE WERE THE KEY THINGS THAT, THAT EVERYBODY IN THIS ROOM WAS CONCERNED ABOUT BEFORE.
AND SO WE REALLY WANT TO HIT THOSE AND BE SPECIFIC AS TO THOSE ITEMS. UM, AND AT THE END OF THIS, I, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO FINISH UP, AND I'M HAPPY TO COME BACK AND ANSWER QUESTIONS AS WE GET THROUGH THIS, BUT WE ARE ASKING THE COMMISSION TONIGHT FOR A, UH, A RECOMMENDATION OR AN APPROVAL THAT THIS IS IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE, UH, COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
WE BELIEVE THAT IT IS, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN SHOWS A VILLAGE TYPE IN THIS AREA.
WE BELIEVE THAT, UH, THE VILLAGE TYPE, PLACE TYPE OVERLAY IS A GREAT WAY TO ACCOMPLISH THIS.
IT GIVES FURTHER PUBLIC INPUT THROUGH BOTH OPEN FORUMS TO COMMITTEE AND TO COUNCIL, BUT ALSO PUBLIC INPUT THROUGH THE STAFF.
THE COUNTY HAS STAFF THAT ARE EXPERTS IN THIS AREA.
AND THIS GIVES THE STAFF THE OPPORTUNITY TO WORK WITH THE DEVELOPER TO CRAFT A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT ON ALL THE MINUTE DETAILS, STORMWATER RUNOFF, ALL THAT STUFF TO CRAFT A PLAN THAT WORKS FOR THE COMMUNITY.
AND THEY'RE GONNA HAVE THE COMMUNITY IN MIND.
AND SO I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SAY THAT I THINK THAT THIS IS A GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO CREATE A QUALITY DEVELOPMENT, WHICH ACHIEVES THE GOALS THAT THE COUNCIL SET OUT IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, BUT TO BE DONE IN A WAY THAT ALLOWS FOR FOLKS TO WORK TOGETHER.
AND SO WE'RE ASKING TONIGHT FOR NUMBER ONE, THAT ACKNOWLEDGEMENT THAT YES, THIS IS THE, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN CALLS FOR THAT VILLAGE, UH, PLACE TYPE IN THIS LOCATION.
WE THINK IT'S CLEAR AND MR. KEEVER ISS GONNA GO THROUGH A LITTLE BIT OF THAT.
UM, BUT WE UNDERSTAND THAT THERE MAY BE SOME QUALIFICATIONS OR QUESTIONS REMAINING FROM THIS BOARD AT OR THIS COMMISSION AS WE MOVE FORWARD.
WE GET THAT, WE UNDERSTAND THAT THAT'S WHY WE NEED TO MOVE TO THE WORK TO BE DONE WITH STAFF AND THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.
AND SO IF THAT, IF THOSE THINGS EXIST, WE WOULD ASK, YOU KNOW, THAT THOSE BE LAID OUT IN QUALIFICATIONS, MAYBE TO, UH, WHAT YOU SEND TO COUNSEL SO THAT THERE ARE SOME, SOME MORE DIRECTIVES TO IT AND NOT JUST AN UP OR DOWN, BUT SOMETHING THAT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE INFORMATIVE AS WE MOVE FORWARD.
SO, UM, WITH THAT BEING SAID, I'LL JUST LEAVE YOU WITH, THIS IS NOT THE END.
THERE'S A LOT MORE TO BE DONE FROM THE STANDPOINT OF, UH, PUBLIC HEARINGS WORK WITH, UH, STAFF, THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT WITH, UH, THE LAND USE COMMITTEE, WITH COUNSEL WITH MULTIPLE READINGS.
SO WE'RE HEADED IN THAT DIRECTION.
AND I THANK YOU FOR THE TIME THAT YOU'VE TAKEN, ALLOWING US ADDITIONAL TIME TONIGHT.
SO WITH THAT, I'LL, I'LL, UH, LET DANNY, BEFORE, BEFORE YOU, UH, LEAVE MR. DUKES, UH, ANYBODY WOULD LIKE TO ASK A QUESTION.
MR. DUKES, AT THIS POINT, I, I'M HAPPY TO COME BACK.
I, YOU KNOW, IF, IF THERE ARE OTHER QUESTIONS THAT ARISE, SIR.
I'M DAN KEEFER WITH WHIT JONES KEEFER, AND I THINK WE CAN TREAT THIS AS AN OPEN FORUM, SO IF THERE'S QUESTIONS, FEEL FREE TO INTERRUPT.
UM, I WANTED TO GO THROUGH JUST SOME, SOME MORE SPECIFICS FROM THE LAST MEETING AS FAR AS WHERE WE'RE AT AND HOW WE'RE USING THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN TO LOOK AT THE VILLAGE PLACE TYPE AND THE REZONING.
AND SO, JUST SOME OF THIS IS MORE OF A FORMALITY, BUT I WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE COVERED SOME OF THE TECHNICAL ASPECTS AND THEN WE CAN FLIP THROUGH SOME OF THE, SOME OF THE DETAIL.
SO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN OUTLINES THE LOCATIONS TO UTILIZE THE PLACE TYPE OVERLAY ZONE IN STATES.
E T O ZONE IS INTENDED TO CREATE AND REINFORCE WALKABLE URBAN ENVIRONMENTS WITH A MIX OF HOUSING, CIVIC RETAIL AND SERVICE CHOICES.
SO THAT'S THE FIRST THING IS WE, THAT WE HAVE FOR US TO USE AS A GUIDE, AS A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
AND IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, IT IDENTIFIES THE PLACE TYPE OVERLAYS ALONG IN THIS CASE ALONG ONE 70.
AND THEN THE REALLY THE THIRD COMPONENT IS THE VILLAGE PLACE TYPE.
SO WE, WE SORT OF HAVE THREE SETS OF ROLES THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT, IS WE SORT OF HAVE ON THE BOTTOM OF THE SLIDE THAT WE HAVE THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN,
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WHICH WAS APPROVED BY COUNCIL.THAT'S SORT OF THE GUIDING DOCUMENT THAT WE'RE ALL LOOKING AT.
AND THEN WITHIN THAT, THERE'S THE PLACE TYPE OVERLAY.
AND THAT'S, THERE ARE ARE DOTS THAT WE'LL LOOK AT IN A SECOND THAT ARE ON ONE 70 THAT IDENTIFY CRITICAL LOCATIONS OR, OR LAND LOCATIONS WHERE WE COULD APPLY THE PLACE TYPE OVERLAY.
AND THEN THERE'S THE VILLAGE PLACE TYPE.
AND FROM A REGULATION STANDPOINT, YOU KNOW, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THAT WAS IN OUR MINDS APPROVED BY COUNSEL AS A FLUID DOCUMENT, THAT WILL, WILL CHANGE OBVIOUSLY OVER TIME.
THE PLACE TYPE OVERLAY WOULD BE ESSENTIALLY OUR, OUR NEW ZONING THAT WE WOULD CREATE FOR THE PROPERTY.
AND THEN AS FAR AS THE VILLAGE PLACE TYPE, WE START LOOKING AT THAT, THAT DETAIL AS FAR AS LOOKING AT BLOCK LENGTHS AND BUILDING TYPES AND STORMWATER, THAT'S MORE OF A STAFF LEVEL REVIEW OF THE DOCUMENTS.
ONCE WE HAVE A PLACE TYPE IN PLACE, WE SORT OF WANTED TO, AS KEVIN EXPLAINED, WE HAVE MULTIPLE STEPS TO GO THROUGH.
AND THIS IS SORT OF THE, THE FIRST POINT.
WE GOT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IN PLACE, AND NOW WE'RE GONNA MOVE FORWARD WITH LOOKING AT THE RULES ESTABLISHED BY THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
UM, SO I WOULD, I WAS MENTIONING THOSE RED OR THE CIRCLES, THE YELLOW ARE THE VILLAGE PLACE TYPES.
SO THIS MAP IS DIRECTLY OUT OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
THE YELLOW ARE THE VILLAGE PLACE TYPES, THE GREEN OR THE HAMLET PLACE TYPES, SORT OF A LESS DENSE TYPE VILLAGE.
AND THEN, UM, PART OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, AGAIN, THIS IS PROBABLY MORE DETAIL THAN WE NEED TO GET INTO, BUT THE, THERE IS A VISION IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AS FAR AS WHAT HAPPENS WITHIN THE VILLAGE PLACE TYPES.
AND, AND THIS WAS IN THE THENAR, THE ORIGINAL NARRATIVE THAT WE SUBMITTED PRIOR TO THE LAST PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING.
SO I'M NOT GONNA READ THROUGH ALL THOSE, BUT THAT, JUST SO EVERYBODY KNOWS, WE WERE FOLLOWING THAT THE, THE VISION FROM THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
AND THEN THERE ARE A SET OF STANDARDS AND GUIDELINES, AGAIN, FROM THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN HERE.
WE THINK THIS IS REALLY IMPORTANT BECAUSE TO ACHIEVE THESE, NOT ONLY THE VISION, BUT THE DETAILED STANDARDS AND GUIDELINES, THERE NEEDS TO BE A PLAN.
AND REALLY WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY WITH THE VILLAGE PLACE TYPE TO, TO IMPLEMENT SOME OF THESE, THE VISION AND IMPLEMENT THE GUIDELINES.
SO OBVIOUSLY ACCESS MANAGEMENT STANDARDS, THAT'S THE TRAFFIC, UM, MULTIPURPOSE TRAIL ON BOTH SIDES OF ONE 70.
THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'LL BE PART OF THE PLAN.
UM, STREET TREES SPEED LIMIT, THAT WAS, I'M NOT SURE WHY 30 FIVE'S ON THERE, BUT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN LOOK AT.
UM, LANDSCAPE MEDIUMS, SIGNALIZE INTERSECTIONS WITH CROSSWALKS, AGAIN, THIS IS THE LONG TERM PLAN AS WE LOOK AT THE CORRIDOR OF ONE 70, UM, COORDINATED DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS.
SO THIS WOULDN'T ONLY APPLY TO US, THIS WOULD BE AS OTHER COMMUNITIES OR EVEN EXISTING PLACES COME IN AND BE REDEVELOPED.
THIS WOULD BE STANDARDS THAT WOULD BE IMPLEMENTED WITH NEW COMMUNITIES.
UM, COORDINATED STREET SCAPE STANDARDS AND COORDINATED SIGNAGE.
YES, SIGNAGE SEEMS LIKE A, A BIG, UH, A SMALL DETAIL, BUT THAT'S SOMETHING WE THINK IS VERY IMPORTANT AS WE LOOK OVER THE NEXT 10, 15 YEARS.
SO AGAIN, I GUESS THE MAIN THING TO POINT OUT HERE IS THE GUIDELINES ARE ESTABLISHED AND THE PLACE TYPE OVERLAY, THE VILLAGE PLACE TYPE IS A METHOD FOR US TO WORK WITH THE COUNTY AND APPLY THOSE DIVISION AND THE GUIDELINES AND THE GOALS OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
UM, AS WE DRILL DOWN TO MORE DETAIL, WE HAVE THE REGULATING PLAN, WHICH ESSENTIALLY IS OUR, OUR BECOMES OUR ZONING MAP.
SO THE REGULATING PLAN WILL, WILL SHOW THE ROAD CORRIDORS AND STREET SECTIONS WHAT THEY'RE GONNA LOOK LIKE IN DETAIL.
AND IT'LL ESSENTIALLY BE THE ZONING MAP THAT'LL OUTLINE AS WE, WE ARE DESCRIBING ON, ON ONE 70 MORE DENSE DEVELOPMENT.
AS YOU PROGRESS BACK, THE COMMUNITY GETS MUCH MORE LOWER DENSITY.
THIS THE, THE NEXT COUPLE SLIDES WERE, WERE SLIDES THAT WE INCLUDED OR WE INCLUDED IN OUR NARRATIVE, UM, AS PLACE TYPE OVERLAY STANDARDS THAT WERE PART OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
COULD YOU BACK UP THE ONE SLIDE? YEAH.
IT, IT SAYS THE VILLAGE PLACE TYPE EXTENDS BEYOND THE 71 ACRE PROPERTY THAT WE'RE, THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT AND MAY INCLUDE VACANT PROPERTY TO THE NORTH.
WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? THE, IT MEANS THAT, SO THE INTENT OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN WAS NOT TO LOOK AT BOUNDARIES OF, OF A, A PROPERTY, WHETHER IT'S A 50 ACRE OR A HUNDRED ACRE PROPERTY.
I SEE THE GOAL IS TO LOOK AT THE BIGGER PICTURE.
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AS WE PLAN CHERRY POINT NEIGHBORHOOD, THE 70 ACRES, THE GOAL WOULD BE TO LOOK AT, IF WE COULD PULL EVERYBODY ELSE IN, WE WOULD, BUT, AND MARK CAN PROBABLY EXPLAIN BETTER, BETTER THAT THE, THE VISION FOR THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN WAS THOSE BUBBLES, NOT JUST TO INCLUDE THE 70 ACRES, BUT TO INCLUDE THE, SO THIS OPENS UP DEVELOPMENT FOR THE VACANT PROPERTY.IT OPENS UP THE OPPORTUNITY, THE OPPORTUNITY TO DEVELOP THAT BEYOND WHAT YOU'RE, YOU'RE DOING WITH YOUR PROJECT OR, OR IT OPENS UP THE OPPORTUNITY TO DEFINE THOSE LINES OF WHAT CAN AND CAN'T HAPPEN ON, ON THOSE PROPERTIES.
YEAH, I THINK, I THINK SOME OF YOUR EARLY DRAWINGS IN THE REGULATING PLAN SHOW AN ACCESS TO THAT VACANT PROPERTY ON THE, ON LONG CHERRY POINT ROAD.
SO THERE'S SOME ACREAGE RIGHT THERE ON CHERRY POINT ROAD TO THE OTHER SIDE OF THE DEVELOPMENT.
UH, BETWEEN YOU AND MAYLIN POINT AND SO ON.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT HE'S REFERRING TO.
IT CERTAINLY OPENS UP A DIALOGUE FOR PLANNED ACCESS.
I'M NOT, WE DON'T KNOW IF THAT'LL BE WHAT TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT, BUT IT OPENS UP THAT COORDINATION.
THERE ARE NO CURRENT, THERE ARE NO CURRENT PLANS BY YOU TO, TO DO THAT OR TO APPROACH THAT? NOT AT THIS POINT, NO.
SORRY, I, I DID HAVE ANOTHER QUICK QUESTION ON THIS SLIDE.
UM, I THINK IT'S SUGGESTING THAT, UM, ON THE CHERRY POINT DEVELOPMENT THAT YOU WERE GOING TO BE UTILIZING THREE TRANSIT ZONES, BUT ON THE, UM, REGULATING PLAN MM-HMM.
SO I WAS JUST WANTING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE ON THE SAME PAGE WITH THAT.
WE'RE, WE'RE SHOWING, CURRENTLY SHOWING TWO OF THE T FOUR, THE T FOUR NEIGHBORHOOD CENTER, OR EXCUSE ME, WE'RE, WE'RE SHOWING ONE OF THE T FOURS.
WE ARE ALLOWED TO HAVE, UM, BOTH OF THOSE IN THERE.
SO I, I WOULD SAY AS THE PLAN EVOLVES, WE MAY HAVE BOTH OF THOSE.
THE, THE T FOUR NEIGHBORHOOD CENTER AND THE T FOUR
AND WE, RIGHT NOW WE HAVE THE OVERLAY THOSE IN THE SAME AREA.
THE T THREE IS DISTINCTLY DIFFERENT, BUT THAT'S, I GUESS WE'RE OPEN.
WE CAN, WE'LL PROBABLY, IT'LL PROBABLY EVOLVE INTO SOME T FOUR HAMLET CENTER.
WE JUST DIDN'T REALLY KNOW, KNOW WHERE TO DRAW THE LINE, BUT THE, THE PLACE TYPE OVERLAY ALLOWS US TO HAVE ONE OR ONE OR THE OTHER, OR BOTH.
AND THAT HASN'T BEEN NEGOTIATED YET? NO, WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN THAT DETAILED YET.
SO I CAN EXPLAIN THAT A LITTLE BIT BETTER ONCE WE GET TO THAT.
HASN'T BEEN FINALIZED OR AGREED TO YET? NO.
THE, I MEAN FROM A, THE REGULATING PLAN IS LIKE, LIKE I SAID, WE ARE JUST AT THE BEGINNING STAGE, UH, STAFF HAS WORKED WITH THE APPLICANT TO GET IT TO A POINT OF KIND OF CREATING THE SHEETS AND CREATING THE METRICS FOR THE, THE GENERAL LAYOUT.
SO YOU ALL CAN SEE WHAT IT IS.
'CAUSE WE KNOW IT'S, IT'S THE FIRST TIME YOU'VE SEEN IT.
SO WE'VE WORKED TO TRY TO GET IT TO THAT POINT SO YOU CAN UNDERSTAND IT AS A TOOL FOR YOU ALL TO BE INVOLVED IN LAND USE, LAND PLANNING AND LAND DESIGN AS A PART OF, UH, DEVELOPMENT OF PROPERTY.
WHAT DAN'S REFERRING TO IS, IS UNDER THE VILLAGE PLACE TYPE OVERLAY, IT HAS A MAKEUP OF DIFFERENT TRANSECTS THAT CAN BE ALLOCATED.
BUT IT'S AN, IT'S A, IT'S KIND OF LIKE AN APPLICANT CHOICE, BUT WE AS A COUNTY CAN ALSO, IF WE CHOOSE TO THROUGH THIS PROCESS, UM, PROVIDE OUR INPUT INTO THE, THE MAKEUP OF IT IN A GENERAL FORM.
BUT AS OF RIGHT NOW, WHAT'S IN FRONT OF YOU, IT IS BEING BROUGHT FORTH, UM, FROM WHAT DAN WAS SAYING IS UTILIZING TWO OF 'EM, WHICH BOTH OF 'EM ARE WITHIN THEIR PERCENT FRAMEWORK MAKEUP THAT THE VILLAGE PLACE TYPE DOES ALLOW FOR MM-HMM.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR NEXT SLIDE? WELL, SO THE NEXT COUPLE SLIDES WERE, YOU KNOW, FROM THE, FROM THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND, AND THE, THE COUNTY CODE, THERE ARE CERTAIN, UM, QUESTIONS THAT WE NEED TO ANSWER.
AND, AND WHAT'S IN RED IS DIRECTLY FROM THE COUNTY DEVELOPMENT CODE AND IT WAS IN BLACK, AS ARE OUR ANSWERS TO THOSE.
AND THIS WAS INCLUDED IN THE, THE NARRATIVE THAT WE SUBMITTED THE MONTH PRIOR.
AND I THINK WE COULD, I'M NOT GONNA READ THROUGH ALL THESE, BUT IF WE NEED TO COME BACK TO ANY SPECIFICS, IF ANYBODY'S NOT FAMILIAR WITH, WITH THESE, UH, WE CAN COME BACK TO THESE.
OR IF THERE'S ANY, ANY ONES, UH, ANY QUESTIONS I GET ASKED, I MAY COME BACK TO THESE TO SORT OF ANSWER SOME OF THE QUESTIONS.
BUT IN, IN A TRADITIONAL REZONING, THIS, THESE QUESTIONS BECOME VERY IMPORTANT.
UM, 'CAUSE THESE ARE TALKING ABOUT THE CONTEXT OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, HOW IT RELATES TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND, AND SOME OF THOSE ROLES THAT WERE ESTABLISHED.
UM, IT, THE SECOND ONE TALKS ABOUT THE TRANSITION OF TRANSECT ZONES.
THAT'S WHERE WE, WHERE THE T FOUR HC MAY COME INTO PLAY.
UM, BUT AGAIN, I'M, I'M GONNA, I'M GONNA SKIP THROUGH THESE AND WE CAN COME BACK AS
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IF WE NEED MORE DETAIL.THESE WERE ALL IN THE ORIGINAL PACKET, SO JUST MAKING SURE EVERYBODY RECEIVED THAT AND IS FAMILIAR WITH THESE, BECAUSE I DON'T MIND GOING THROUGH 'EM ALL.
SO THE REGULATING PLAN, THIS IS, THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT WAS PRESENTED LAST MONTH, EXCEPT ONE EXCEPTION WAS THE, I DON'T HAVE A POINTER, BUT BASICALLY FROM THE, WELL, THE, THE LIGHT PURPLE BACK, THE LIGHTEST COLOR ALONG CHERRY POINT ROAD, WHICH IS BASICALLY TO THE NORTH, AND THEN THE PROPERTY TO THE EAST AND THE PROPERTY TO THE SOUTH, THAT'S OF ALL 50 FOOT BUFFER.
AND THEN HONESTLY, AS YOU GO FROM CHERRY POINT ROAD OR FROM TO THE WEST ON CHERRY POINT ROAD, THAT'S 50 FOOT THERE AS WELL.
IT'S JUST, THERE'S UM, THERE'S ADDITIONAL ROAD WIDENING AND THERE'S A TRAIL CORRIDOR THERE.
SO THERE WILL BE 50 FOOT THERE AS WELL OF, AS FAR AS GREEN SPACE, WE HAVEN'T REALLY PROGRAMMED THAT YET UNTIL WE GET INTO FINAL ENGINEERING.
OTHERWISE, THE REGULATING PLAN IS SHOWING THE ACCESS POINTS OFF ONE 70, THAT'S THE, THE DARK BLACK LINES.
AND THEN ACCESS POINTS OFF OF TRAY POINT ROAD.
AND THEN THE COLORS, THE DARKEST COLOR ARE PURPLE.
AND I GUESS THE EASIEST WAY TO DESCRIBE THE LIGHTER COLOR IS THEY'RE ALL, THAT'S ALL SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL.
AND THE, THE MINIMUM, I BELIEVE THE MINIMUM FOR T THREE IS 60 FOOT WIDE ON THOSE LOTS.
I THINK THERE ARE 11,560 FOOT SOMEWHERE, SOMEWHERE AROUND THERE ON THE MINIMUM.
CAN YOU GO BACK TO THAT FOR A SECOND? YEP.
UM, YOU MENTIONED THE 84 SINGLE FAMILY HOMES AT THE BACK WHO ARE THE CLOSEST TO THE EXISTING PROPERTY OWNERS, UH, THAT WILL BE IN THE LIGHT SPACE.
AND WE HAVE THE 50 FOOT BUFFER.
IS THAT, UH, 48 HOMES? IS, IS THE, ARE YOU STILL TARGETING THE 419 IN TOTALITY OF, OF, UH, HOUSING UNITS? WE, OR THEY'VE BEEN REDUCED? HAS THE DENSITY BEEN REDUCED BECAUSE OF THIS PLACEMENT IN TOTAL? WE HAVEN'T ALLOCATED ALL THE DENSITY YET, BUT WE, WE KNOW WHAT WE CAN DO IN THE T THREE.
WE, AS FAR AS TO THE WEST, WE HAVEN'T OUTLINED EXACTLY HOW.
I, I CAN SHOW YOU, IF YOU DON'T MIND, I'M GONNA FLIP TO THE NEXT SLIDE.
UM, SO THE, THE RED LINE DOWN THE MIDDLE, EVERYTHING TO THE EAST OF THAT, THE LIGHTEST YELLOW, THOSE ARE THE SINGLE FAMILY LOTS.
THOSE HAVE THE 50 FOOT BUFFER OR THOSE HAVE MORE BUFFER AROUND IT, UH, ON THE SOUTHERN AREA TO THE, THE WEST OF THAT, THAT'S WHERE IT WOULD TRANSITION, UM, TO MAYBE SOME MORE SINGLE FAMILY ALSO TOWN HOMES OR DUPLEXES.
AND THEN ON ONE 70 WOULD BE MULTIFAMILY IN THE, THE COMMERCIAL AREAS.
SO THIS, WHERE, WHERE YOU SEE SEVEN, THAT WOULD BE A STREET COMING IN.
IT'D BE A STREET WITH SIDEWALKS ON BOTH SIDES OF THE STREET, STREET TREES AND FRONT PORCHES.
AND YOU CAN SEE THE, MAYBE YOU CAN'T SEE IT, BUT THE RLS ON THE BACKS OF 'EM, THOSE ARE ARE LANES OR ALLEYS.
SO WE, SO GARAGES AND, AND ALL THE BACK OF HOUSE THINGS ARE ON THE BACKS OF THE HOMES.
I, I'LL KEEP GOING UNLESS THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS JUST TO OKAY.
ONE, SO I'M CLEAR, WHAT WERE YOU SAYING AGAIN, IS THE BUFFER THAT YOU'RE ANTICIPATING ALONG CHERRY POINT? UM, SPECIFIC IN THE T FOUR SECTION? IT'S, UH, LET ME GET BACK TO IT.
I MEAN, I THINK IT'S SHOWING A, A 10 FOOT FEATURE RIGHT OF WAY AND A 25 FOOT BUFFER.
I JUST WANTED TO SEE IF THAT WAS CORRECT.
YEAH, THERE WAS, THERE WAS AN ENLARGEMENT ON, IF YOU ZOOM OUT OF THE SHEET, IF YOU GO UP TO THE TOP RIGHT HAND CORNER.
SO WHAT, WHAT THAT'S LOOKING AT OR WHAT THAT'S SHOWING THERE IS THE 10 FOOT, UM, RIGHT AWAY AREA.
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BUFFER SETBACK, THERE'S THE CIRCLES ON THAT DARK, THE GREEN WHERE THE 25 FOOT IS, THOSE ARE EXISTING TREES.AND THEN WHERE THE, THE FIRST LINE IS, THAT WOULD BE WHERE THE LOT OR BUILDING IS.
SO THAT'S WHERE WE HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF FLEXIBILITY THERE AS FAR AS HOW WIDE THAT GREEN SPACE IS.
AND THERE'LL BE A TRAIL THROUGH THAT CORRIDOR AS WELL.
SO THE, THE 50 FOOT BUFFER STARTS EAST OF, UM, I GUESS THE WHISPERING OAKS DRIVE.
YEAH, THE 50 FOOT ON THE PLAN STARTS WHERE THE T THREE, THE, THIS SECTION IS SHOWN THAT THE SECTION TO THE WEST.
I WANNA POINT OUT TOO, THAT, YOU KNOW, STAFF'S WORKED WITH THE APPLICANT, AS YOU CAN SEE ON SOME OF THOSE THINGS WITH DISCUSSIONS ON CHERRY POINT ROAD AND TRYING TO PROGRAM FUTURE, FUTURE RIGHT OF WAYS.
AND SOME OF THE THINGS YOU CAN SEE, AS WE SAID, NO, LET'S IDENTIFY WHAT WE MIGHT NEED AS A FUTURE RIGHT OF WAY ON THIS SIDE, AND THEN WE'LL MEASURE THE BUFFER FROM THERE.
AND IN ADDITION TO DOING THAT, WE'VE ALSO LOOKED AT KIND OF, UM, THERE'S SOME GOOD TREES ALONG THERE.
AND SO IT, WHEN THAT ROAD IS BEING DONE AND HOW IT'S BEING DONE, THERE'S, THERE'S, THERE'S A LOT OF MOVING PARTS THERE, BUT CHERRY POINT ROAD NEEDS TO BE IMPROVED REGARDLESS.
SO WE'RE, WE, WE'RE JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT THIS POINT IN TIME AND THE BEST WAY TO SHOW THAT AND, AND, AND TELL THAT STORY.
NOW, ARE THESE IMPROVEMENTS GONNA BE SHARED IMPROVEMENTS BETWEEN THE DEVELOPERS AND THE COUNTY? I MEAN, IS THE COUNTY TAKING RESPONSIBILITY FOR SOME OF THESE? AND ARE THESE AGREEMENTS BEEN REACHED? YEAH, SO, SO CURRENTLY IT'S BEING DESIGNED RIGHT NOW BY KIMLEY HORN, WHICH IS THE SAME TRAFFIC ENGINEERING FIRM THAT'S WORKING FOR THE DEVELOPER.
SO THE COUNTY HAS KIMLEY HORN ON BOARD TO DO THE DESIGN WORK FOR CHERRY POINT IMPROVEMENTS.
WE WERE TRYING TO GET OUT AHEAD OF ALL THIS DEVELOPMENT.
SO BETWEEN THIS DEVELOPMENT AND THEN THE ONE TO THE NORTH, THIS ALLOWS US TO COME IN AND RATHER THAN PIECEMEAL THE IMPROVEMENTS, UNDERSTAND THE TOTALITY OF THOSE IMPROVEMENTS AND THEN DIRECT WHATEVER PORTION OF THOSE OFFSITE IMPROVEMENTS TO EACH DEVELOPMENT, UM, AS THEY COME AVAILABLE.
SO, UM, WE WILL WORK THROUGH THAT ULTIMATE DESIGN AND FIGURE OUT TO FIT ALL THOSE ROADWAY IMPROVEMENTS AS WELL AS THE MULTI-USE PATH.
AND THEN AS FAR AS THE, UM, THE BUFFER YARDS TO MAKE SURE THAT ALL FITS WITHIN THAT AREA.
AND ONE OF THE ADVANTAGES WE HAVE, WHICH IS IN CHERRYPOINT ROAD, IS THAT OBVIOUSLY IT KIND OF TERMINATES, WE KNOW WHAT'S FEEDING.
AND SO WE'RE, WE'RE ABLE TO LOOK AT THIS, AND THIS IS KIND OF PART OF THE LAND USE PLANNING PART OF THIS IS WE HAVE THE ROAD, IT KIND OF IS IN A VACUUM.
WE HAVE, WE KNOW IT'S APPROVED TO THE NORTH, THIS IS COMING IN.
AND WHAT ERIC'S SAYING IS THAT WE'RE TAKING THOSE TWO THINGS, THEY'RE PLUGGING THOSE NUMBERS IN AND THEY'RE SEEING WHAT CHERRY POINT ROAD IS GONNA NEED FOR ITS FUTURE.
AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO LOOK AT AND PROGRAM AND MAKE THOSE IMPROVEMENTS.
WE CAN COME BACK TO THE QUESTIONS.
UH, JUST TO GIVE, TO HIGHLIGHT SOME OF THE OPEN SPACES.
UM, WELL, LOOKING AT THE MASTER PLAN SORT OF DIRECTLY RUNNING EAST WEST, THERE'LL BE A CENTRAL OPEN SPACE CORRIDOR.
AND THAT'S PRIMARILY WHERE ALL THE, THE EXISTING LIVE OAKS ARE TODAY.
THERE'LL BE A, A VILLAGE GREEN THAT STARTS THAT, AND IT'LL EXTEND DOWN AND THAT THAT CORRIDOR WILL BE MORE OF A PASSIVE PARK.
AND THEN IT'LL BE ACCENTED BY, BY ACTIVE ACTIVATED POCKET PARKS AND OTHER RECREATION AREAS.
AND THIS, THIS SLIDE SHOWS THAT SORT OF, THAT TRANSITION FROM PASSIVE PARK ON THE EDGES.
AND AS WE GET CLOSER TO THE VILLAGE, AS YOU SEE ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE, MORE ACTIVE GREEN SPACES, THAT'S, THAT'S THE VISION FOR THOSE GREEN SPACES.
AS WE MOVE FORWARD, WE CAN IDENTIFY EACH OF THE GREEN SPACES AND SAY, THIS IS, HERE'S THE SIZE OF IT, IT'S A HUNDRED BY 300, IT'S GONNA LOOK LIKE THIS IMAGE.
FOR NOW, WE SORT OF JUST WANTED TO SHOW SORT OF THE, THE VISION AND THE GOAL FOR WHERE WE'RE HEADED.
UM, FROM A STREET SCAPE STANDPOINT, IT'LL BE THE SAME THING.
THE IMAGE ON THE TOP RIGHT HAND CORNER, THERE'LL BE STREET TREES, SIDEWALKS, UM, IN THE MIDDLE, THE OF THE PAGE, THERE MAY BE, IF THERE'S SOME COMMERCIAL AT THE FRONT OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, IT WOULD BE DESIGN PER THE T FOUR ZONING, WHICH REQUIRES PORCHES, LOW KEY SIGNAGE, A WALKABLE NEIGHBORHOOD.
SO THIS IS SOME INSPIRATION IMAGERY FOR WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE AND NOT, NOT WHAT IT WE WANT, IT'S WHAT WE WANT TO LOOK LIKE.
AND IT'S WHAT THE COUNTY REQUIRES.
AS FAR AS THE TRANSECT ZONING FROM AN ARCHITECTURAL STANDPOINT, THESE ARE SOME IMAGES, AGAIN, THESE ARE IMAGES THAT RELATE TO THE, THE T FOUR ZONING.
THIS WOULD BE, THESE IMAGES ARE MORE OF THE COMMERCIAL
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MULTIFAMILY AREAS.AND THEN, UM, YOU CAN SORT OF SEE A TRANSITION OF ALL ALONG ONE 70 ON THE TOP LEFT HAND CORNER WOULD BE TWO STORY BUILDINGS, THREE STORY BUILDINGS.
AS YOU TRANSITION BACK TO THE RESIDENTIAL, IT'S MORE OF A COTTAGE TYPE SINGLE FAMILY LOT.
AND THE T THREE, THESE, THESE IMAGES ARE, ARE REPRESENTING THE SIZE AND SCALE OF THE T T THREE.
AGAIN, THESE ARE JUST TO GIVE YOU GUYS SOME BACKGROUND ON, ON WHAT THE T FOUR AND T THREE.
SO THIS IS, THIS IS ESSENTIALLY T THREE.
THAT'S REALLY ALL WE CAN DO AS FAR AS WHAT THE CODE ALLOWS.
THE T FOUR WOULD BE WHAT YOU SEE ON THE BOTTOM LEFT HAND CORNER AND THE TOP OF THESE IMAGES.
SO TRAFFIC IS NEXT, BUT I'M, I, I CAN
I JUST A POINT OF CLARIFICATION.
UM, I WAS GONNA ASK YOU BEFORE, BUT OKAY, IT'S, IT'S FINE.
IN, IN OUR PACKET VILLAGE PLACE TYPE IS DEFINED HAS 110 ACRES, MINIMUM 500 ACRES MAX.
SO HOW DOES 71 ACRES FIT INTO THAT IN WORKING WITH STAFF? THE VILLAGE PLACE TYPE CIRCLE ON THE MAP AND THE COMPREHENSIVE MAP IDENTIFIES THESE AREAS MM-HMM.
THAT WAS, THAT WAS THE STAFF'S, RIGHT? THAT WAS, THEY USED THE WORD EXPRESSES.
YOU KNOW, I MEAN IT, IT IT ALLOWS THE POTENTIALITY.
BUT, UM, DID, DO YOU HAVE ANY KIND OF AGREEMENT WITH THE VACANT, UM, PROPERTY OWNER OF THE VACANT LAND, WHICH I ASSUME WILL OR WILL NOT BE IMPACTED BY THE FACT THAT YOU DON'T BILLAGE PLACE TYPE DOESN'T MEET 110 ACRES MINIMUM.
THEY DON'T, THEY WOULDN'T BE PART OF THIS AGREEMENT LIKE FORMALLY MM-HMM.
AND THAT'S WHERE THE A HUNDRED ACRES COMES FROM.
'CAUSE YOU WOULDN'T WANT A SMALLER AREA FOR THAT VIEW.
SO WITH ONLY 71 ACRES, YOU KNOW, TO, TO MAKE IT WORK FOR YOU ALL, IT'S GONNA HAVE TO HAVE THAT KIND OF HIGH INTENSITY DENSITY T THREE AND FOUR THAT YOU JUST SHOWED US.
I GUESS I'M WONDERING WHY 71, YOU KNOW, WHY, WHY YOU ARE GRANTED, UM, THE VILLAGE PLACE TYPE OVERLAY, IF IT SAYS IN THE CODE THAT IT'S 110 ACRES MINIMUM, 'CAUSE THAT THAT AREA MM-HMM.
WHICH ARGUABLY WOULD BE ALL QUADRANTS OF THAT, THAT CHERRY POINT INTERSECTION QUALIFY THE 110 ACRES AS A DEVELOPMENT.
AM I SAYING THAT RIGHT, MARK? WELL, I MEAN THERE'S TWO, THERE'S TWO THINGS.
SO, SO THE, THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT CODE OR JUST CODES IN GENERAL OUTSIDE OF BUFORD COUNTY WHEN THEY'RE, WHEN THEY'RE LOOKING AT THIS TYPE OF LAND USE AND PATTERN DEVELOPMENT DOES KIND OF GET AROUND TO SOME OF THESE GENERAL ACREAGES BECAUSE THEY'VE, YOU KNOW, THROUGH THE SCIENCE OF THIS, THEY'VE LOOKED AT, YOU NEED THE GENERAL MASSING OF THAT SIZE SO YOU CAN KIND OF GET WHAT YOU'RE SAYING THAT MIXED USE SEPARATION FROM USES GET SOME OF THAT COMMERCIAL COMPONENT.
BUT IF YOU GO BACK TO THE, I GUESS WHAT DAN'S KIND OF REFERRING TO IS, IS THAT IF YOU LOOK AT THE AREA AS A WHOLE OF MA AND BLUFF RIVER OAKS, THE SCHOOL, THAT WAS THE VILLAGE, SO IT'S BEING LOOKED AT AS A VILLAGE THERE.
LIKE THIS IS JUST THAT LAST PIECE TO THE SOUTH.
UM, AND, AND THAT LITTLE PIECE IN FRONT OF THE SCHOOL, IF THAT WAS TO CONTINUE TO DEVELOP, WE WOULDN'T WANT AN ACREAGE REQUIREMENT, JUST A, A NUMBER IN THERE TO PREVENT US FROM THEN APPLYING THIS SAME REQUIREMENT TO THAT PARCEL.
WE WOULDN'T WANT SOME ARTIFICIAL NUMBER TO SAY, OH, WE CAN'T, YOU'RE NOT DOING A PLACE TYPE BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE ACREAGE.
THEY'RE A PIECE OF THE WHOLE THING.
WE WOULD APP, WE WOULD WANT TO APPLY IT TO THEM JUST THE SAME.
NOW, IF PEOPLE GET HUNG UP ON THAT, STAFF WOULD BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO, LIKE WE SAID AT THE LAST MEETING, PART OF THE COMP PLAN SAYS TO LOOK AT THE P T O AND THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT CODE AND USE THIS, Y'ALL ARE SEEING IT AND MAKE ANY CHANGES TO IT.
AND IF SOME OF THE LANGUAGE OR THE ACREAGE AND WE NEED TO ADD SOME SORT OF ASTERISK TO IT, WE CAN DO THAT.
BUT WE DON'T WANT THAT TO GET IN THE WAY OF WHAT WE WOULD VIEW AS GOOD LAND USE PLANNING.
AND THE TOOL THAT WE HAVE HERE, I WANNA GO BACK TO THE QUESTION ON DENSITY.
UM, THE 84 HOMES AND THE FURTHERS REACH OF THE PROPERTY CLOSEST TO THE EXISTING NEIGHBORHOOD BACK THERE AS
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AN INDICATION WOULD BE THE 84 HOMES, SINGLE FAMILY HOMES.MY QUESTION IS ON YOUR PREVIOUS DOCUMENTS, YOU, YOU WERE GOING FOR 400 PLUS OR MINUS 419 UNITS AND YOU ALSO HAD INDICATED, UM, ACREAGE THAT YOU WOULD USE FOR, UM, COMMERCIAL MM-HMM.
GETTING BACK TO THE 71 ACRE QUESTION, UM, ESSENTIALLY YOU'RE ASKING FOR A VARIANCE TO WHAT THE DEFINITION IS.
IF YOU'RE GOING TO, IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE A, A MINIMUM OF 110 ACRES AND NOW YOU, YOU ONLY HAVE 71 ACRES.
I SEE THAT AS A VARIANCE TO THE VILLAGE PLACE OVERLAY.
WE, WE WOULDN'T WANT TO SEND IT TO THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS.
WE, WE WOULD, WE WOULD WANT TO AMEND THE CODE.
WE WOULD AMEND THE CODE TO, TO LOOSEN.
IF YOU ALL PERCEIVE THAT AS A SITUATION AND YOU LOOK AT IT AS A PARCEL THING MM-HMM.
WE, WE VIEW THIS AS, IT'S THE VILLAGE OF THE WHOLE, YOU HAVE TO INCLUDE MAILIN, BLUFF, RIVER OAKS, THE SCHOOL, THIS PARCEL, I WOULD EVEN SAY OUR, OUR ACQUISITION OF THE PARK, THAT COUNTY PARK, IT COULD BE A PART OF IT, NOT
SO IF YOU ALL ARE GONNA GET HUNG UP ON ACREAGE, WE CAN TAKE CARE OF THAT IN ANOTHER WAY.
BUT PART OF THESE OTHER CONVERSATIONS, THE DETERMINATION BY THE PLANNING DIRECTOR WAS MADE THAT THE INTENT OF THIS AREA AND THE LONG RANGE PLANNING GOALS OF THIS AREA WAS TO DEVELOP AS A VILLAGE.
THIS IS A PIECE OF THAT VILLAGE PRIOR TO THE NEW COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT CODE, WE CALLED THEM PLAN DEVELOPMENTS.
IN 2014, WHEN THIS NEW COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT CODE CAME ONLINE, IT DID AWAY WITH PLAN DEVELOPMENTS AND IT REPLACED IT WITH THE PLACE TYPE OVERLAY.
SO WE'RE USING A PLACE TYPE OVERLAY THE WAY WE WOULD HAVE PREVIOUSLY THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT, WHICH IS WHAT ALL THESE ZONINGS ARE TO THE NORTH.
BUT AGAIN, STAFF WOULD BE MORE THAN HAPPY AGAIN.
AND WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE, WE ARE EXPLORING THE PLACE TYPE OVERLAY WITH YOU.
AND WE WOULD BE MORE THAN HAPPY AS WE GO THROUGH THIS TO LOOK AT IT AND UM, MAKE AMENDMENTS TO IT, TIGHTEN IT UP, ADD NOTES, ANYTHING THAT WE THINK IS NECESSARY TO MAKE IT BETTER.
THAT'S WHAT STAFF ALWAYS IS TRYING TO MAKE THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT CODE BETTER.
AND WHEN THINGS COME ALONG AND TEST THEM, THAT'S WHEN WE GET THE BEST OPPORTUNITY TO DO IT.
JUST THE LAST THING, AND THIS IS JUST SIMPLE MATH ON MY PART.
'CAUSE OBVIOUSLY, LIKE YOU SAID, I I, AND I THINK THAT DOES MARK, THAT DOES NEED TO BE TIGHTENED UP BECAUSE IF WE LOOK AT 71 ACRES, THAT'S APPROXIMATELY 426 HOMES THAT THEY COULD PUT IN THAT VILLAGE, THE WAY IT'S CURRENTLY WRITTEN AT 110 ACRES, THEY COULD PUT 660 HOMES IN THERE UNLESS THERE'S SOME TYPE OF ANNOTATION.
DENSITY IS OFTENTIMES DONE BY ACREAGE.
UM, SO, AND THAT'S NOT, THAT'S THROUGHOUT, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE THAT KIND OF STUFF.
THAT'S JUST HOW IT'S DONE THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE COUNTY.
IN A LOT OF CASES WHERE YOU TAKE YOUR NOR GROSS ACREAGE, YOU SUBTRACT OUT CERTAIN THINGS LIKE WETLANDS MM-HMM.
UM, SO, UM, THAT WOULD BE THE CASE FOR A LOT OF ZONING DISTRICTS.
UM, THAT THAT TYPE OF DENSITY, IF IT WAS UH, A HUNDRED OR 110 ACRES WOULD GET THE SAME BENEFIT OF THE APPLICATION OF THE, UM, WHATEVER THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT CODE SAID WAS THE APPROPRIATE DENSITY FOR THAT.
SO YEAH, THAT KIND OF GOES ALONG WITH WHAT I'M ASKING.
IF WE ARE GONNA DO THIS LIMITED TO 71 ACRES, THEN WOULD WE STILL WANT TO KEEP SIX DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE MAXIMUM OR WOULD WE BE ABLE TO ASTERISK THAT SOMEHOW TO LOWER THAT NUMBER PER ACRE AS TO NOT HAVE A DEVELOPER COME IN THERE AND SAY, WELL, YOU KNOW, WE'RE JUST NOT GETTING ENOUGH PROFIT OUT OF 400.
I'M SAYING BROAD BASE TYPE OF THING.
WE'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO UP UP IT BECAUSE IT'S ALREADY BEEN APPROVED THAT WE COULD PUT THAT MANY PIECES OF PROPERTY PER ACRE.
AM I, AM I CLEAR ON THAT? MM-HMM.
UM, EXCEPT I THINK, UM, YOU KNOW, THE WAY THIS THING IS WRITTEN, IT SAYS THAT THE T FOUR IS REALLY WHERE YOU CAN HAVE THOSE HIGHER DENSITIES.
WITH MULTIFAMILY AND YOU'RE LIMITED TO A MAXIMUM OF 50% WITHIN THAT 110 ACRES.
SO WE MAY BE GETTING THE BULK OF THAT HIGHER DENSITY WITHIN THIS SECTION THAT'S MORE THE TOWN CENTER.
BUT AS YOU MOVE OUT WITHIN, EXCUSE ME, THE 110, THAT DENSITY'S GONNA GO DOWN BECAUSE YOU WON'T HAVE
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THE T FOUR IN THOSE OUTER REACHES.AND SO YOU CAN'T REALLY APPLY THAT SIX UNIVERSALLY.
THAT AND THAT'S, AND THAT'S, AND IT'S A GOOD QUESTION.
THIS IS, THIS IS A GREAT PART OF THE CONVERSATION IS, IS THAT THAT'S KIND OF THE WAY THESE THINGS ARE FORMULATED.
IT'S SET UP TO KIND OF, YES, YOU HAVE THAT TOTAL DENSITY, BUT BY THE TIME YOU'RE DONE DOING THESE MIX OF THESE TRANSECTS, YOU DO KIND OF CREATE THAT KIND OF MORE VILLAGE HIGHER DENSE NODE WHERE YOU MIGHT HAVE IN THE FRONT OF IT.
I, YOU MIGHT HAVE MULTIFAMILY THAT'S COMING IN AT 15 UNITS TO THE ACRE, BUT IF I'M DOING THAT, THAT MEANS I'M BURNING DENSITY FROM THE OTHER AREAS.
BUT IN TOTALITY, THAT'S WHAT THEY GET.
AND UM, SO THAT'S KIND OF HOW THEY STRUCTURE IT.
AND AGAIN, THAT'S NORMAL IN THESE TYPES OF THINGS.
IT'S NOT JUST THIS CODE AND THAT'S KIND OF HOW YOU WANT IT.
YOU WANT YOUR, YOU WANT YOUR HIGHER DENSITY ROOFTOPS TO BE A LITTLE BIT MORE NEAR YOUR RETAIL, MORE WALKABLE KIND OF LIKE YOUR LITTLE SMALL TOWN AREA.
AND THEN AS YOU GET TOWARDS THE REAR, TOWARDS THE BACK WHERE YOU GET MORE INTO THAT EXISTING SETTLEMENT PATTERN OF THE RESIDENTIAL USE, YOU WANT IT TO CALM DOWN.
YOU DON'T WANT THE HIGHER DENSITY STOP.
YOU WANT IT TO COME IN A LOT LESS DENSE.
YOU'RE LIKE YOUR TRADITIONAL TWO UNITS TO THE ACRE TYPE OF THING.
AND THE, THE SIX DS BREAKER THAT CAME FROM THE CODE FROM PLACE TYPE
THAT STUFF GETS LOCKED IN DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENTS.
UM, YOU KNOW, IF WE WANTED TO GET MORE IN THE WEEDS AND START PROGRAMMING STUFF, YOU KNOW, THAT'S THE RIGHT OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
UM, BUT YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S A GOOD TOOL AND IT'S JUST A MATTER OF HOW WE APPLY IT AND WHAT TYPE OF STUFF WE WANT FOR ASSURITIES.
I'M WITH KIMLEY HORNE AND I'M THE, UH, TRAFFIC ENGINEER FOR THIS PROJECT.
UM, STARTED WORKING ON THIS ONE IN 2021 AND GOT OUR APPROVALS FROM S C D O T IN BEAUFORT COUNTY IN 2022.
AS FAR AS THE MITIGATION AND STUFF THAT I'M GONNA GO OVER WITH YOU, UM, WHEN WE DID THIS TRAFFIC STUDY, THE ONE 70 CORRIDOR STUDY WAS NOT ADOPTED BY S E D O T YET.
AND ERIC, CORRECT ME, I DON'T THINK IT STILL HAS BEEN FULLY ADOPTED WORKING THROUGH AN UPDATE RIGHT NOW.
SO IT STILL HASN'T BEEN FULLY ADOPTED.
SO IN THE ACTUAL MAIN CONTENT OF THE TRAFFIC STUDY, BECAUSE WE HAVE TO ENCROACH ON THE D O T AT RIVERWALK, WE HAVE TO HAVE WHAT'S ACTUALLY OUT ON THE ROAD FOR US TO DO THE TRAFFIC STUDY AND GET APPROVALS.
'CAUSE THEY WON'T ALLOW US TO USE THE HYPOTHETICAL ONE 70 PLAN.
I'M SAYING HYPOTHETICAL BECAUSE IT WASN'T ADOPTED, IT HASN'T BEEN.
SO WE DID INCLUDE, INCLUDE IN THE ACTUAL T I A AT THE VERY END OF IT AT PAGE LIKE 315 OUT OF
SO I'M GONNA GO OVER THAT A LITTLE BIT WITH Y'ALL AND UH, I'M SURE THERE'LL BE QUESTIONS, SO PLEASE STOP.
I'LL BE GLAD TO ANSWER THE QUESTIONS, UH, AS I GO ALONG.
SO FIRST DIAGRAM YOU HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU HERE AND DO YOU HAVE IT IN FRONT OF YOUR DESKTOP OR YOU JUST HAVE IT UP ON THAT? YEAH, WE, WE TRY HERE.
UM, SO THIS IS WHAT ONE 70 LOOKS TODAY.
AND I MEAN I, TO HELP THE ORIENTATION, SO WE HAVE TIDE WATCH, SO REALLY TOWARDS THE SOUTHERN END, UM, IT'S JUST HOW OUR CORRIDOR WAS AND THE PAGE LAYOUT THAT IT'S, UH, EAST WEST HERE INSTEAD OF NORTH SOUTH.
UM, AND THEN YOU CAN SEE, UM, YEAH, SO TIDE WATCH THERE AND THEN, UM, YOU KNOW, CHERRY POINTS KIND OF OUR HOT TOPIC OF, OF TODAY.
UM, SO WE GOT, UH, RIVER WALK TO WHERE WE'RE, WE'RE HOPING TO MAKE A A, A TIE IN POINT.
UM, SO I AM GONNA GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE REAL QUICK IF WE COULD ZOOM OUT A LITTLE BIT.
UM, AND SO WHAT YOU HAVE HERE IS THE, THE PROPOSED MITIGATION THAT GOES ALONG WITH THIS SITE IS SHOWN IN RED, THE GREEN OR OTHER TRAFFIC STUDIES DONE IN THE AREA THAT ALSO HAVE MITIGATION.
UM, I WILL SAY TO THIS POINT THAT AT CHERRY POINT ROAD ITSELF, IF THAT GREEN ARROW ON CHERRY POINT ROAD THE NORTH, IT'S A LEFT TURN.
IF THAT IS NOT IN PLACE BY THE TIME THAT WE GO INTO DEVELOPMENT, THAT ALSO BECOMES PART OF THIS DEVELOPMENTS MITIGATION PER OUR REQUIREMENTS FROM A C D O T.
'CAUSE EVERYTHING HAS TO BE IN PLACE FOR US TO GET, UH, OUR OCCUPANCY AND STUFF.
SO TO, TO RUN IT DOWN, UH, AT RIVERWALK WE HAVE A, UH, A TRAFFIC SIGNAL IN A NORTHBOUND RIGHT TURN LANE, WE WOULD UTILIZE THE EXISTING U-TURN LANE AS A, AS A LEFT TURN LANE INTO THE SITE
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THERE AND LEAVING, UH, SITE ACCESS ONE WE'D HAVE SEPARATE, UH, LEFT THROUGH AND RIGHT LANE.UH, IF WE GO INTO SITE ACCESS TWO, WHICH IS A RIGHT AND RIGHT OUT ONLY ACCESS, WE WOULD HAVE A RIGHT TURN DESAL LANE SHOWN IN RED THERE, AND THEN THE RED TURN LANE LANE OUT.
UM, AS WE GET TO CHERRY POINT ROAD, WE HAVE AN ADDITIONAL, UH, LEFT TURN LANE.
SO IT'S A SOUTHBOUND LEFT, UM, HERE, KIND OF SHOWN IT'S WESTBOUND, BUT REALLY SOUTHBOUND LEFT.
SO IF YOU'RE COMING FROM, UH, BEAUFORT, UH, TOWARDS BLUFFTON, LET'S SAY ON ONE 70, IT'S THAT SOUTHBOUND MOVEMENT.
AND THEN TO ALLOW FOR THAT SOUTHBOUND LEFT-TURN MOVEMENT, WE ACTUALLY HAVE TO WIDEN CHERRY POINT ROAD TO ACCEPT THAT ADDITIONAL TURN LANE.
SO RIGHT NOW CHERRY POINT'S A TWO LANE ROAD, UH, TO MAKE THAT IMPROVEMENT WORK, IT'D HAVE TO GO AND BE WIDENED TO A THREE LANE ROAD.
AND WE HAD INITIALLY DROPPED IT OFF AT SITE ACCESS NUMBER TWO OR STREET D SHOWN HERE.
BUT AFTER COORDINATION WITH BUFORT COUNTY, THEY ASKED US TO CARRY IT TO OAKEY D ELEMENTARY SCHOOL BECAUSE OF SOME MORNING QUEUING ISSUES AND AFTERNOON, UH, PICKUP ISSUES THAT ARE CURRENTLY ON CHERRY POINT ROAD.
UM, SO WHAT THIS ALLOWS FOR, UM, THAT DISTANCE, LET'S SAY THAT'S A THOUSAND FEET, THAT ACTUALLY ALLOWS FOR ABOUT 40 CARS IF WE ASSUME 25 FEET PER CAR TO STACK UP INTO THAT LANE AS AS THE PICKUP AND DROP OFF TIME PERIOD FOR THE SCHOOL.
UM, AND THEN MOVING INTO, SO THAT'S THE LEFT TURN LANE INTO THE SCHOOL, THAT'S OUR, WHAT WE CALL A DROP LANE.
SO WE WOULD TAKE THAT AND THEN, 'CAUSE RIGHT NOW CHERRYPOINT ROAD, WHEN YOU GO OUT IN THERE IN THE MORNING, THERE ARE CARS PARKED OFF TO THE SIDE KIND OF IN THE WAY.
I'M SURE THE RESIDENTS CAN CAN SPEAK TO THAT.
UH, IT'S WHAT WE OBSERVED WENT OUT INTO THE FIELD.
AND THE REASON WE HAVE THIS ABOVE, UH, IN FRONT OF YOU INSTEAD OF JUST THE ONE 70 QUARTER PLAN IS BECAUSE OF WHAT I MENTIONED EARLIER IS IT HASN'T BEEN FULLY ADOPTED.
SO TO GET D O T APPROVALS, WE HAD TO SHOW WHAT WOULD BE REQUIRED IF THE ONE 70 QUARTER PLAN, UH, AND ACCESS MANAGEMENT STUDY NEVER GETS IMPLEMENTED.
ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS FIGURE BEFORE I MOVE TO THE NEXT? ALRIGHT, GO AHEAD.
SO JUST TO BE CLEAR, YOU'RE SAYING YOU WOULD HAVE A THREE LANE ROAD SECTION BACK TO OAKDALE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL ROAD? THAT'S CORRECT.
AND YOU SAID IT'S NOT A FULLY APPROVED PLAN YET.
WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF THE FULLY APPROVED PLAN IS IN CONFLICT WITH WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING? SO THAT'S THE GOOD NEWS WHEN I GET TO THE NEXT ONE IS WE DON'T HAVE, UH, CONFLICTS WITH THAT FULLY APPROVED PLAN PLAN, UH, CURRENT RIGHT NOW.
UH, LIKE I'M SAYING WITH OUR DEVELOPMENT ON TOP, I'M NOT SURE IF I UNDERSTAND THE QUESTION.
WELL, YOU'RE, THIS IS WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING TO DO.
WHAT IF THAT IS IN CONFLICT WITH THE OVERALL CORRIDOR PLAN CORRIDOR AND IT'S, IT'S NOT.
UM, SO I'LL GET TO THAT ON THE NEXT SLIDE.
SO ACTUALLY THE SIGNAL THAT WE'RE SHOWING AT RIVERWALK, UH, BOULEVARD IS A PART OF THE ONE 70 CORRIDOR PLAN.
SO IF WE GO IN BEFORE THE ONE 70 CORRIDOR PLAN IS ADOPTED, IT'S GOTTA GO THROUGH ADOPTION BY S E D O T FUNDING AND CONSTRUCTION.
SO THIS SITE WOULD LIKELY GO IN BEFORE ALL OF THAT ACTUALLY OCCURS IN, IN THE TIMELINES.
SO WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF WE GOT OUR SIGNAL IN A RIVERWALK UH, BOULEVARD THERE WE HAVE THE SIGNAL INFRASTRUCTURE, THAT'S A FUTURE PLAN SIGNAL.
SO THEN THE COUNTY'S ACTUALLY ABLE TO USE THE INFRASTRUCTURE AND SIGNAL INFRASTRUCTURE FROM THAT, UH, TO, TO USE FOR THEIR PLAN.
UM, ALSO WE ARE HAVING SOME WIDENING ON STREET A TO ADD THE RIGHT TURN LANE THAT IS WIDENING THAT THE COUNTY CAN, CAN ALSO USE FOR THE FUTURE PLAN.
THE RIGHT TURN LANE WOULD HAVE TO BE PUT BACK IN, THAT'D BE A D O T REQUIREMENT.
BUT AS US WIDENING, UM, ONE 70 AS PART OF THIS, IT DOES TIE INTO THE OVERALL ONE 70 PLAN.
SO THERE ARE NO DIRECT CONFLICTS WITH WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING TO WHAT THE ONE 70 CORRIDOR PLAN HAS.
I I KNOW THIS CAME UP AT THE FIRST MEETING, UM, I APOLOGIZE, I WAS NOT THERE.
BUT THAT'S THE TRAFFIC STUDY IF I RECALL, SAID THAT UM, THE SIGNAL AT RIVERWALK WAS DEPENDENT ON WARRANT MEETING WARRANTS.
AND IF IT COULDN'T, THERE WAS A QUESTION OF POTENTIALLY HAVING TO MOVE RIVERWALK OR SOME OTHER SOLUTION MM-HMM.
AND SO IF WE DO MEET THE SIGNAL WARRANTS TO INSTALL THE SIGNAL, D O T WANTS US TO TRY TO, UH, CURVE RIVERWALK SOME.
SO THERE'S SOME STUFF WE'D WANT TO DO TO RIVERWALK.
THERE'S A PRETTY SUBSTANTIAL WETLAND CLOSE BY, SO WE DON'T GET TO MOVE IT VERY MUCH.
BUT THE GOAL THERE WOULD BE TO DO A LITTLE BIT OF RELOCATION OF RIVERWALK TIE INTO OUR SITE ACCESS FOR THAT TRAFFIC SIGNAL.
SO YOU'D MOVE IT DOWN TOWARD THE SWAMPLAND RIVER.
SO WE WOULD MOVE IT, BUT OBVIOUSLY STILL HAVE TO KEEP IN ALL THE
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WETLAND, UH, BUFFERS AND EVERYTHING.WE, WE WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO ENCROACH INTO THAT WETLAND DOWN THERE.
IS THERE ANY ALTERNATIVE TO THAT, LIKE CREATING A SPINE ROAD DOWN THE MIDDLE OF THE CHERRY POINT DEVELOPMENT INSTEAD CREATING A SPINE ROAD? I'M NOT SURE.
WELL, SOMETHING DOWN THE MIDDLE OF THE PROPERTY THAT WOULD BE, WE WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO SIGNALIZE IT AND KEEP IT FULL MOVEMENT.
IF WE WENT, WE WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO SIGNALIZE IT AND KEEP IT FULL MOVEMENT BECAUSE THEN IF WE WENT THROUGH THE MIDDLE OF THE DEVELOPMENT, IT WOULD THEN BE WAY TOO CLOSE TO CHERRY POINT AT THAT POINT.
SO THIS IS OUR SOUTHERN MOST PART OF THE, THE PROPERTY.
UM, AND SO WE'D WANT TO TIE IN AS FAR SOUTH AS WE COULD.
DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA YOUR THOUGHTS, UM, BEING PROFESSIONAL AT THIS TIMEFRAME IS GONNA BE REQUIRED TO GET THE AUTHORIZATIONS FROM S C D O T AND THIS DOES, IS DEVELOPMENT GONNA PROCEED IN ADVANCE OF THE GETTING THESE REQUIREMENTS APPROVED? AND I, RIGHT NOW I WOULD SAY PROBABLY, BUT I DON'T KNOW.
I'LL GO LEAN ON ERIC TO SEE IF YOU HAVE KIND OF A TIMELINE FOR THE ONE 70 CORRIDOR.
FOR, FOR THE OVERALL CORRIDOR.
AND WE TALKED ABOUT THIS ONE THE LAST TIME YOU'D BE ABLE TO GET THAT TO DO THE OVERALL PLAN.
NOW WE'RE, WE ARE, WE HAVE A CONTRACTOR ACTUALLY ON, ON BOARD RIGHT NOW TO DO SOME SPOT IMPROVEMENTS ALONG THIS CORRIDOR.
UM, NOTHING IN THIS PARTICULAR AREA, BUT THOSE BIGGER IMPROVEMENTS ARE GONNA TAKE SOMETHING, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO GET SOME KIND OF GRANT FUNDING OR SALES TAX OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT APPROVED TO LOOK AT THAT BIGGER PLAN AS FAR AS THE DESIGN GOES ON THAT WE'RE ACTIVELY WORKING ON WITH S C D O T ON WHAT THAT DESIGN LOOKS LIKE FOR THE CORRIDOR.
SO PLANNING FOR THAT, BUT I DON'T HAVE A, I DON'T HAVE A GOOD TIMELINE AT THIS POINT BECAUSE IT'S SO, IT'S SO DEPENDENT ON FUNDING.
AND THAT'S IN THE LONGER TERM PLAN, THAT'S IN THE LONGER TERM PLAN AND INVOLVE JASPER COUNTY AS WELL AS YES SIR.
YEAH, THAT IS A, IT'S A, IT WILL BE A PLAN THAT WILL BE BETWEEN S C D O T, BEAUFORT COUNTY, JASPER COUNTY AND HARDY AS WELL.
BECAUSE ALL THOSE JURISDICTIONS ARE, UM, UH, FRONT ONE 70 AND ONE 70 CORRIDOR.
AND, AND CAN I GET SOME JUST CLARIFICATION A LITTLE BIT? 'CAUSE EARLIER MR. DUKES HAD SAID THAT, THAT THE, THE, UH, SC ONE 70 IMPACT WOULD TAKE PLACE IN A, IN, IF I'M MISQUOTING YOU, MR. DUKES, I'M SORRY, BUT I WAS RIGHT AS FAST AS I COULD JUST WITHOUT COST TO TAXPAYERS.
SO WITH WHAT YOU SAID THOUGH, WE WOULD HAVE TO GET GRANTS OR FUNDING PERHAPS.
WELL, SO, SO THE IMPROVEMENTS, SO LET'S, THERE, THERE'S THE BIGGER ONE 70 CORRIDOR, RIGHT? THAT WILL LOOK AT POTENTIALLY SIX LANE, SIX LANES ON ONE 70.
THAT'S A LITTLE WAYS DOWN THE ROAD AS FAR AS WHAT THEY'RE PLANNING FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT.
THEY'RE ACCOUNTING FOR ALL THE OFFSITE IMPROVEMENTS THAT ARE NECESSARY FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT TO FUNCTION, WHICH INCLUDES AS, AS DYLAN WAS STATING, UM, AN ADDITIONAL SOUTHBOUND LEFT TURN LANE ONTO CHERRY POINT, AS WELL AS SOME IMPROVEMENTS AT RIVERWALK.
UM, SO AGAIN, THEY'RE ACCOUNTING FOR THOSE IMPROVEMENTS WITH THEIR DEVELOPMENT ITSELF.
SO MAYBE TO CLARIFY THAT, WHERE YOU'RE SHOWING NEW RIGHT TURN MOVEMENTS, UM, FROM ONE 70 INTO STREET A AND STREET B, THOSE WOULD BE PART OF THE DEVELOPER'S CONSTRUCTION? YES.
THE, THE, WHAT, WHAT IS IN RED HERE IS WHAT THE DEVELOPER WOULD HAVE TO DO FOR PERMITTING TO GET ENCROACHMENT PERMITS FROM S C D O T, UH, AND THEN FROM THE APPROVALS OF BUFORT COUNTY AS WELL.
THOSE ARE WHAT THIS DEVELOPMENT WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR.
THE ONLY EXCEPTION IS THE GREEN, WHAT'S WHAT WE'RE GONNA CALL NORTHBOUND, BUT IT'S NOT CHERRY POINT'S, NOT A NORTHBOUND ROAD, BUT ON THIS SCREEN IT IS.
IF THAT'S NOT, UM, PUT INTO PLACE BY OKIE VILLAGE OR MAYLAND BLUFF, THEN TO GET OUR PERMIT FROM D O T, THAT ALSO WOULD HAVE TO BE CONSTRUCTED.
I THINK FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, I'M HAVING TROUBLE FIGURING OUT THE TIMELINE OF THIS WHOLE THING.
IT JUST SEEMS LIKE IT'S ALL MURKY.
WELL, I WOULD SAY FROM THE DEVELOPMENT TIMELINE, I MEAN, OUR OPENING YEAR, PLANNED OPENING YEAR, HOW FAR AWAY IS, YEAH.
SO TWO YEARS FROM NOW, SO HOPEFULLY AROUND 2026.
I WOULD THINK THAT THE ONE 70 CORRIDOR STUDIES LIKELY FURTHER THAN TWO YEARS AWAY FROM BEING FULLY OPEN AND OPERATIONAL AND 'CAUSE OF THAT, WE WOULD LIKELY BE DOING THESE IMPROVEMENTS.
AND THEN WHAT PRIOR TO THAT? PRIOR TO THE ONE 70 CORRIDOR IMPROVEMENTS, BECAUSE WE HAVE TO HAVE STUFF IN PLACE BEFORE WE CAN GET OKAY.
UH, UH, ANY OCCUPANCY FROM D O T D O T CAN HOLD THE OCCUPANCY UP IF OUR TURN LANE IMPROVEMENTS AREN'T IN PLACE.
THE OTHER QUESTION I HAVE IS, I THINK IN OUR LAST MEETING WE HAD A LETTER FROM
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THE SCHOOL DISTRICT SAYING THAT THEY'RE PRETTY FULL, 91%.IF I, IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, YOU SAID YOU WERE GONNA MAKE IMPROVEMENTS IN THERE TO TO, TO KEEP THE TRAFFIC FROM BACKING THAT BUTTON OF ONE 70.
SO WE'RE GONNA PUT MORE HOMES IN, MORE SCHOOL-AGED CHILDREN.
THE SCHOOL'S GONNA BE OVERRUN, THE SCHOOL'S GONNA HAVE TO INCREASE, ASSUMING THE REFERENDUM GETS PASSED IN NOVEMBER AND, UM, FUTURE DEVELOP, FUTURE, UH, EXPANSION.
ARE YOUR IMPROVEMENTS GOING TO, ARE THEY TAKING INTO ACCOUNT WHAT MIGHT HAPPEN 10 YEARS FROM NOW? SO 15 YEARS FROM NOW? YEAH, SO NOT TO THAT EXTENT, NOT TO 10 TO 15.
WE HAVE OUR STUDY OUT TO, UM, LET ME JUST TELL YOU REALLY QUICK.
I THINK IT WAS 2026 IN THIS ONE.
UH, SO OUR STUDY GOES TO 2026, BUT WE DO APPLY A BACKGROUND GROWTH RATE TO OUR NUMBERS TO SAY LIKE, WE KNOW THESE NUMBERS AREN'T STAGNANT.
SO WE APPLY GROWTH TO WHAT WE CALL NOVI.
AND THEN WE ADDED ON APPROVED DEVELOPMENTS, WHICH IN THIS CASE WAS MALIN BLUFF, OKIE VILLAGE, AND THEN ACROSS ON PEARLSTEIN AS A SPEEDWAY, LIKE A GAS STATION.
AND SO WE ADDED ALL THOSE ON TOP.
AND SO THOSE NUMBERS ARE ACCOUNTED FOR AS FAR AS THE SCHOOL BEING OVER.
I, I DON'T KNOW THOSE ANSWERS.
UM, BUT I WOULD SAY WITH, WITH OUR DEVELOPMENT, AND AS DAN SAYING, HOPEFULLY MAKING IT WALKABLE, THIS WOULD BE KIND OF AN ADVANTAGE OF BEING ABLE TO WALK TO SCHOOL, REDUCING THE NUMBER OF CARS OFF THE ROAD.
UH, WE HAVE A REPRESENTATIVE HERE FROM THE SCHOOL DISTRICT THAT, UM, PERHAPS WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS SOME OF THIS.
I HAVE A, I HAVE A QUESTION THAT KIND OF PERTAINS TO WHAT YOU JUST SAID AND, AND FOR THE SCHOOL DISTRICT, AM I RIGHT? YOU'RE A REPRESENTATIVE FOR THE SCHOOL DISTRICT? YES.
I'M THE DIRECTOR OF FACILITIES PLANNING CONSTRUCTION FOR THE BEAUFORT COUNTY SCHOOL DISTRICT.
AND YES, WE DID WRITE A LETTER, UM, I THINK WE WROTE THAT LETTER BACK IN APRIL, IF, UH, BUT THEN YOU ALL PROBABLY HAVE ALREADY SEEN THAT, UM, SINCE THAT TIME WE DID, THE BOARD DID, UM, APPROVE TO GO OUT TO VOTERS FOR A REFERENDUM.
INCLUDED IN THAT REFERENDUM WOULD BE A NEW, UM, ELEMENTARY SCHOOL THAT WOULD BE ON THE MAY RIVER CAMPUS.
AND SO IN, WHENEVER, IF THE REFERENDUM WERE TO PASS AND WE WERE TO BUILD THAT NEW SCHOOL, WE WOULD DO SOME REZONING, WHICH WOULD PROVIDE A LITTLE BIT OF RELIEF, AT LEAST AT THIS POINT FOR OKT ELEMENTARY.
HOWEVER, ANYTHING THAT DEVELOPS AROUND THERE OBVIOUSLY BRINGS MM-HMM.
UM, AND THEN THERE'S THAT OTHER VACANT LOT THERE.
SO THAT POTENTIALLY COULD DO SOMETHING.
I ASSUME A CERTAIN POPULATION OF THE SCHOOL NOW GETS BUSED FROM OTHER ELSEWHERE TO OKEE ELEMENTARY.
WOULD THE STUDENTS WHO, UH, OF AGE STUDENTS IN THE CHERRY POINT, RURAL OAKS, MAILIN BLUFF COMPLEX COMMUNITY, BE GIVEN A FIRST TOP PRIORITY TO USE THE LOCAL SCHOOL OVER BUSING? CORRECT.
I WOULD HATE TO SEE THEM GET BUSED OUT.
I CAN'T SPEAK FOR, WE HAVEN'T REZONED YET.
THAT'S A PROCESS WE WOULD GO THROUGH AFTER WE WOULD YEAH.
START BUILDING A, A NEW SCHOOL AND THAT KIND OF THING.
IT TYPICALLY IN THE PAST WHEN WE DO REZONE, UM, UH, A PERIMETER OF A MILE, ONE MILE RADIUS GETS AUTOMATIC.
YOU'RE GONNA GO TO THAT SCHOOL.
UM, AND THEN WE START LOOKING AT DIFFERENT AREAS.
UM, BE ANYTHING PROBABLY NORTH OF OKEE UP INTO THE BROAD RIVER BRIDGE, MOST LIKELY WOULD ALSO GO TO OKT.
UM, WE'VE HAD LOTS OF DISCUSSIONS IN MANY YEARS IN THE PAST, IF YOU'VE LIVED HERE FOR VERY LONG, ABOUT SENDING STUDENTS, YOU KNOW, ACROSS THE BROAD RIVER BRIDGE.
AND, AND THAT'S PRETTY MUCH BEEN A HARD LINE FOR THE BOARD NOT TO WANT TO DO THAT.
SO THEN WE WOULD BE LOOKING AT AREAS SOUTH OF OKEE AND HOW THOSE COULD BE, YOU KNOW, MOVED TO OTHER SCHOOLS.
THAT QUESTION THAT, THAT ANSWERED THAT QUESTION.
CAN I ADD REAL QUICK TO THAT? 'CAUSE I THINK THAT'S AN IMPORTANT PART OF CONVERSATION IS RIGHT NOW THE, UM, PART OF THE CONVERSATION IS, IS THE BUS TRAFFIC AND THE SCHOOL TRIPS THAT ARE COMING HERE AND COMING ONTO CHERRY POINT ROAD.
AND WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU USE VILLAGE TYPE PLANNING LIKE THIS, AND YOU LOCATE WITH ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS, YOU KNOW, JUNIORS AND HIGH SCHOOLS MAYBE A LITTLE DIFFERENT, BUT WITH ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS, WHEN YOU LOCATE, I GUESS THAT MILES THAT RANGE, AND I THINK EVEN SCHOOL DISTRICTS DON'T EVEN OFFER BUS SERVICE WITHIN A CERTAIN DIS DAY.
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A SAFE PATHWAY FOR STUDENTS TO WALK AND THAT IS KEY.SO THERE'S, THERE'S A COMPONENT THERE OF RESOURCES TOO.
BUSES, I MEAN, I, I'M NOT TRYING TO LIKE DO
IT COSTS MONEY, IT COSTS SCHOOL DISTRICTS MONEY, BUS DRIVERS, THERE'S A SHORTAGE.
SO WHEN YOU HAVE THESE SCHOOLS, THAT INVESTMENT THAT WAS MADE BY THE COUNTY TO GO AND KIND OF BE PLACED IN THIS VILLAGE, WHEN PLANNERS LOOK TO COMPLETE THAT, AND AS A PART OF THIS, THAT'S PART OF WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE.
NOW, IF WE HAVE ISSUES WITH THE GENERAL PLAN OR DENSITIES OR WHERE THAT, THAT'S A PART OF THE CONVERSATION, BUT TO PROVIDE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR KIDS OR FOR DEVELOPMENT OR RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT TO BE CLOSER TO AN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL, WHICH IS A SIGNIFICANT INVESTMENT THAT WAS ALREADY BEEN MADE, THAT'S A PART OF WHAT PLAYING A DEPARTMENT IS TRYING TO BRING TO THE TABLE AND IS A PART OF THIS CONVERSATION.
AND WHEN DOING THAT, AGAIN, IF YOU NEED NEW SCHOOLS THOUGH, I MEAN THAT, THAT'S PART OF IT.
IF YOU DON'T HAVE NEW SCHOOLS, THIS IS WHAT I'M SAYING DOESN'T EVEN MATTER, BUT THE, ONCE YOU START DOING THAT, YOU HAVE LESS BUS TRIPS.
NOW COMING TO THE SCHOOL, YOU HAVE LESS PARENTS CLOGGING UP CHERRY POINT ROAD DROPPING THEIR KIDS OFF 'CAUSE THEY'RE WALKING, THOSE PARENTS ARE GOING TO OTHER SCHOOLS.
SO THAT'S A PART OF ALL OF THAT.
BUT I DO BELIEVE TO THE POINT, THE SUCCESS OF THE REFERENDUM IS KEY IN, IN ACHIEVING THAT, THAT SCENARIO.
UH, ANY QUESTIONS ON KIND OF THIS SIDE? I'LL GO INTO THE ONE 70 CORRIDOR PLAN NEXT TO SHOW KIND OF THE OVERLAP THAT WAS ASKED ABOUT, UH, THIS DEVELOPMENT WITH THE ONE 70 PLAN.
SO NEXT SLIDE SHOWS THE BLUE IS, UH, WHAT BEAUFORT COUNTY IS PROPOSING ALONG THE ONE 70 CORRIDOR.
SO, UH, R C I OR SUPER STREET, I, I LIKE TO CALL IT SUPER STREET.
SO IF YOU HEAR THAT, IT BASICALLY IS, IT'S WIDENING AND ACCESS MANAGEMENT ALONG ONE 70.
SO NOT A LOT OF LEFT TURNS ARE ALLOWED OUT OF SIDE STREETS.
UM, AND SO THEN THEY ACTUALLY GO AND, AND U-TURN.
SO THOSE, UH, KIND OF CURVE ARROWS YOU SEE ALONG ONE 70 ARE, ARE U-TURN BULBS THAT ARE PLANNED.
UM, SO WE STILL WOULD HAVE TO HAVE, OR D O T BECAUSE OF THE VOLUME OF RIGHT TURNS THAT WE HAVE THAT IF ONE SEVENTY'S WIDENED HAVE TO HAVE A RIGHT TURN LANES INTO OUR DEVELOPMENT.
UM, AND THEN, LIKE I MENTIONED BEFORE, RIVERWALK AND THAT TRAFFIC SIGNAL.
AND, AND THE ONE 70 QUARTER PLAN, THAT INFRASTRUCTURE COULD BE PUT IN BY OUR DEVELOPER, UM, IF SIGNALS ARE WARRANTED.
AND THE REASON WE SAY THAT IS D O T DOESN'T ALLOW THE SIGNALS TO GO IN UNLESS THEY'RE WARRANTED.
AND THEN WE STILL HAVE, UM, BECAUSE OF WHAT WE WOULD DO, AND LET'S CALL IT THE SHORT TERM OR THE PRE ONE 70 CORRIDOR PLAN, WE STILL HAVE THE WIDENING TO THE SCHOOL THAT WOULD BE A PART OF THIS DEVELOPMENT AND THE DUAL LEFT LANE ON ONE 70 INTO THIS DEVELOPMENT.
SO THIS IS THE SIXTH LANE SUPERHIGHWAY.
IT GOES ALL THE WAY UP TO WHERE? SNAKE ROAD OR RIGHT NOW? 4 62.
DOES IT GO TO, UH, AR? NO, IT, WELL, YEAH, IN THE, IN THE ORIGINAL STUDY IT GOES TO 4 62.
SO THE ORIGINAL STUDY, THE, THE SOUTHERN LIMIT IS O D CENTER SOUTH, JUST SOUTH OF THE INTERCHANGE.
AND THE NORTHERN LIMIT IS 4 62.
ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS RIGHT NOW? WELL, JUST A QUESTION OF, OF TIMING AND HOW LONG IT'S GONNA TAKE AND THE FUNDING THIS IS YEAH.
THIS IS, THIS IS A, RIGHT NOW, AND THAT'S WHAT'S KIND OF WHAT MAYBE ADVANTAGE OF THIS TO GO THROUGH IS THAT THE DEVELOPMENT IS TYING IN RIGHT.
AND SO THE IF OF ONE 70 TIES INTO THE, WELL WE'RE, I THINK JUST BASED OFF OF EXPERIENCE, THE CONSTRUCTION OF THIS WILL PROBABLY BE DONE BEFORE THE ONE 70 CORRIDOR IMPROVEMENTS BECAUSE THE FINALIZATION DESIGN PLANS, WHICH THE COUNTY'S CURRENTLY UNDERGOING PLUS FUNDING, AND THEN CONSTRUCTION, I I THINK MINIMUM OF, OF FIVE YEARS.
AND THEN WE'RE LOOKING AT TWO YEARS FROM NOW.
AND SO WE'LL HAVE SOME STUFF IN PLACE BEFORE THE ONE 70 CORRIDOR GOES INTO PLAY.
AND OUR IMPROVEMENTS GO, THEY COINCIDE WITH THE ONE 70 CORRIDOR STUDY.
I HEARD THEM FIRST TALKING ABOUT THIS SUPER LANAR BACK IN 2006, 2007 WHEN MILE AND POINT AND RIVER OAKS AND ANOTHER THING WERE BEING TALKED ABOUT, UM, A LOT OF YEARS AGO.
I, I, UH, I, THAT'S WHY I DON'T KNOW THE, THE
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WIN OF THAT PROJECT.UM, BUT WE ARE TYING INTO THE, TO THE WIN IT HAPPENS.
UM, DOES THIS ALSO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THE DEVELOPMENT THAT'S GOING ON IN THE HARDY SIDE IN HARDY AND JASPER COUNTY? 'CAUSE THEY GOT A LOT OF PLANS GOING ON.
SO THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE OUR, OUR BACKGROUND GROWTH RATE FOR.
SO WHENEVER WE DO THESE TRAFFIC STUDIES, WE REACH OUT TO BEAUFORT COUNTY AND S E D O T AND SAY, HEY, DO YOU KNOW DEVELOPMENTS CLOSE BY THAT YOU WANT US TO CONSIDER? AND SO THAT'S WHEN THEY GAVE US MA AND BLUFF, UH, OAKY VILLAGE AND SPEEDWAY FOR US TO CONSIDER IN THAT PROXIMITY.
AND THEN ANYTHING OUTSIDE OF THAT PROXIMITY IS OUR, OUR GROWTH RATE TO, TO, SO THAT WE ACKNOWLEDGE THAT, HEY, WE KNOW TRAFFIC'S NOT GONNA BE STAGNANT IN THIS AREA.
UM, AND SO, SO THAT IS TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT THROUGH A GROWTH RATE, BUT NOT THE SPECIFIC DEVELOPMENT TRIPS.
IT'S THE BACKGROUND GROWTH RATE THAT WOULD CAPTURE THAT.
CAN I JUMP IN REAL QUICK TOO? I JUST WANNA UNDERSTAND THIS IS THAT SUPER STREET MODEL MM-HMM.
I JUST WANT EVERYBODY TO UNDERSTAND THAT HOW DEVELOPED ARE, HAVE THE TALKS BEEN WITH HARDY V AND JASPER COUNTY? HAS THIS, HAVE YOU, I DON'T KNOW IF WE'VE HAD CONVERSATIONS.
IT WAS UNCLEAR AT THE LAST MEETING HOW ADVANCED THOSE TALKS OR EVEN IF THEY EXISTED FROM A TRAFFIC PERSPECTIVE.
THERE HAS NOT BEEN CONVERSATIONS WITH JASPER COUNTY OR HARDY V THEY DON'T HAVE PERMITTING RIGHTS HERE.
SO LIKE THEY WOULDN'T HAVE AN APPROVAL, UH, OF THIS FOR WHAT WE WOULD DO FOR THE TRAFFIC STUDY.
NOTHING'S BEEN COMMUTED DIRECTLY TO, COMMUNICATED DIRECTLY TO THEM.
BUT THEY CERTAINLY HAVE A DOG IN THE FIGHT WITH VOLUME OF TRAFFIC.
BUT AS FAR AS ISSUING PERMITS FOR ENCROACHMENT, THEY, THEY DON ON THIS ONE, UH, IN PARTICULAR, THIS WOULD BE IN BUFORT COUNTY AND S C D O T.
I'M GONNA MOVE TO ONE FINAL SLIDE, UM, FROM THE TRAFFIC.
SO JUST KIND OF SHOWING WHAT TRAFFIC FLOW COULD LOOK LIKE.
SO THE RED LINE IS THE EXISTING TRAFFIC FLOW ALONG CHERRY POINT.
SO IT'S JUST ONE POINT, UM, THROUGH CHERRY POINT IN THAT SIGNAL.
UM, IF WE HAVE OUR TRAFFIC SIGNAL AT RIVERWALK, UM, WE'VE GOT ANOTHER CONNECTION POINT, NOT ONLY FOR THE RESIDENTS OF THIS, UH, DEVELOPMENT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TODAY, BUT EXISTING RESIDENTS ON CHERRY POINT.
LET'S SAY THAT THE SCHOOL IS HAVING ONE OF THOSE DAYS, THEY ACTUALLY HAVE A BYPASS AROUND THE SCHOOL TO ANOTHER ACCESS ON FULL MOVEMENT ACCESS ONTO ONE 70, UH, WITH THIS PLAN.
AND THAT'S JUST THE PURPOSE OF SHOWING THE INCREASED IN, IN CONNECTIVITY, UH, THROUGHOUT FOR, FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT.
'CAUSE ALL THE ROADS IN THIS WOULD BE PUBLIC AND THE DIRECTION OF THE, OF THE ARROWS.
THAT DOESN'T MEAN ONE WAY, IT JUST MEANS NO, THAT'S, IT'S, YEAH.
JUST SHOWING BOTH, BOTH WAYS THERE.
HOLD ON, LET ME, LET ME BACK UP THERE.
WHAT ROADS WILL BE PUBLIC? I THINK THE ROADS THAT WE HAVE HERE, THAT'S WHAT I ASKED WAS ALL PUBLIC, RIGHT? OPEN TO THE PUBLIC.
BEAU COUNTY, OPEN TO THE PUBLIC.
WE DON'T TAKE ROADS FROM EIGHT.
AND THAT'S WHAT I HAVE FOR TRAFFIC, SO IF YOU HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, PLEASE LEMME KNOW.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I GUESS NOT.
THAT'S THE END OF OUR PRESENTATION.
IT'S TIME NOW, UH, FOR, UH, PUBLIC COMMENTS.
I'VE GOT A, UH, SOME FOLKS, I'VE GOT FOUR PEOPLE SIGNED UP.
DO WE HAVE ANY OTHERS AT THIS POINT? FIVE PEOPLE.
CAN YOU PLEASE AGAIN, INTRODUCE YOURSELF? UH, WE HAVE A THREE MINUTE TIME LIMIT.
SO I'M GONNA CALL ON, UH, SCOTTY DANIEL FIRST.
I, UH, HAVE PROPERTY AT 1 65 CHERRYPOINT ROAD.
UM, FIRST OFF, ABOUT THE SCHOOLS, UH, THEY'RE CURRENTLY OVERLOADED TO THE POINT RIGHT NOW THAT AT CHERRYPOINT ELEMENTARY, IF YOU HAVE A CHILD AT THE SCHOOL, IT'S A LOTTERY SYSTEM FOR AFTERSCHOOL CARE.
YOU ENTER A LOTTERY IN TWO WEEKS BEFORE THE SCHOOL YEAR STARTS.
THEY TELL YOU WHETHER YOUR CHILD COULD BE TAKEN CARE OF AT THE SCHOOL OR NOT.
UM, EVEN IF THE REFERENDUM PASSES IN NOVEMBER, I'D LIKE TO KNOW HOW LONG WOULD IT TAKE FOR THE SCHOOLS TO BE BUILT AND COME UP WHERE THEY CAN ACTUALLY TAKE THE OVERFLOW OF CHILDREN?
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PROBABLY 20, 26.SO THAT'S BEYOND WHEN THEY'RE GONNA HAVE THE, UH, DEVELOPMENT UP AND RUNNING, CORRECT? MM-HMM.
AND, UH, LIKE THEY'VE POINTED OUT BEFORE, THESE THINGS DON'T HAPPEN IN THE VACUUM.
THIS IS JUST ONE OF MANY DEVELOPMENTS THAT ARE GONNA BE TAKING PLACE.
SO NOT ONLY IS THIS GONNA OVERLOAD WITH 400, THERE'S GONNA BE ANOTHER ONE JUST DOWN THE ROAD, ANOTHER ONE JUST DOWN THE ROAD, AND ANOTHER ONE JUST DOWN THE ROAD.
I THINK JASPER COUNTY JUST CAME UP WITH A MORATORIUM TO STOP SOME OF THIS STUFF.
TAKE A BREATHER AND RE-LOOK AT THIS STUFF.
UH, DURING THEIR PRESENTATION THIS EVENING, I THINK THEY'VE ACTUALLY SAID THEY'RE NOT REALLY SURE WHAT THEY'RE GONNA DO.
OR IF THEY DO KNOW WHAT THEY'RE GONNA DO, THEY HAVEN'T TOLD IT TO YOU.
'CAUSE THEY COULD DO THIS, THEY COULD DO THAT.
THEY'RE SHOWING YOU TWO SECTIONS, BUT THEY COULD GO TO THREE SECTIONS.
SO WHY ARE WE GONNA APPROVE IT WITHOUT KNOWING EXACTLY WHAT THEY'RE GONNA DO? I STILL FEEL LIKE WE'RE PUTTING THE CART BEFORE THE HORSE.
WE'RE GOING TO, WE'RE GONNA DO THIS COUNTING ON A REFERENDUM TO PASS.
IF THE REFERENDUM DOESN'T PASS, YOU'VE GOT SERIOUS PROBLEMS. UM, THAT'S BASICALLY IT.
SCHOOL REPRESENTATIVE COVERED A LOT OF MY ISSUES.
HELLO, MY NAME'S GRANT MCCLURE.
UH, I LIVE HERE IN BEAUFORT AND I WORK FOR THE COASTAL CONSERVATION LEAGUE.
OUR OFFICE IS AT 1212 KING STREET.
UM, ON BEHALF OF THE CONSERVATION LEAGUE, THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO COMMENT, UH, TONIGHT.
UH, WE PREVIOUSLY COMMENTED ON THIS ISSUE AT THE LAST PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING, AND AT THAT TIME, WE HAD ASKED FOR A DEFERRAL DUE TO CONCERNS ABOUT TRAFFIC, INFRASTRUCTURE AND ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS.
UM, WE ARE RESPECTFULLY ASKING THE APPLICANT TO CONSIDER, UH, PURSUANT PURSUING AN ADDITIONAL CONTINUANCE FOR THIS PROJECT.
UM, WE APPRECIATE THE APPLICANT HAS INCREASED THE BUFFERS TO 50 FEET, AND ALSO THEY'VE ADDED, UH, AN ENVIRONMENTAL ASSESSMENT.
UM, HOWEVER, WE STILL HAVE A LOT OF CONCERNS ABOUT IMPACTS TO THE O T RIVER, UM, FROM INCREASING THE, THE IMPERVIOUS SURFACE IN THE AREA.
UM, ADDITIONALLY, WE'RE, WE'RE STILL VERY CONCERNED ABOUT TRAFFIC ON HIGHWAY ONE 70.
UM, THE LACK OF INFRASTRUCTURE IN GENERAL.
UM, THE, THE BEAUFORT COUNTY COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, UM, THAT, THAT SC ONE 70 CORRIDOR SECTION THAT WAS ACTUALLY ON THE SCREEN EARLIER.
IT TALKS SPECIFICALLY ABOUT A COORDINATED STUDY WITH JASPER COUNTY AND HARDY V TO DEFINE A GROWTH FRAMEWORK FOR THE CORRIDOR AND ADDRESS ISSUES OF JOINT CONCERN SUCH AS TRANSPORTATION AND ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION.
AND IT SOUNDS LIKE THOSE CONVERSATIONS, UM, HAVE NOT NECESSARILY HAPPENED YET WITH, WITH HARDY BILL AND WITH JASPER COUNTY.
AND SO MAYBE THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE THOSE CONVERSATIONS, UH, PRIOR TO ANY APPROVALS.
UM, THE, UH, THE, SO LOCO GROWTH COMMITTEE, THAT'S A NEW COMMITTEE THAT WAS RECENTLY ESTABLISHED, UM, THAT WAS KIND OF A STEP IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION TOWARDS REALIZING THIS, UH, REGIONAL PLANNING STRATEGY, THIS SC ONE 70 CORRIDOR PLAN.
UM, AND SO, UM, BASICALLY WHAT I'M GETTING AT IS THAT WE JUST NEED A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME TO TRY TO FIGURE OUT SOME OF THESE ISSUES WITH TRAFFIC WITH, UH, THE ENVIRONMENT, WITH THE SCHOOLS, ET CETERA.
AND SO, UM, I RESPECTFULLY WOULD ASK, UM, THAT WE CONSIDER A A ANOTHER DEFERRAL.
UH, FELISE LAMARCA, THANK YOU.
AND I HAD EVERYTHING I WAS GONNA SAY TO YOU, BUT I ACTUALLY NOW HAVE MORE QUESTIONS THAN STATEMENTS.
I WISH WE HAD HAD SOME OF THAT IN OUR AGENDA PACKAGE TO GO OVER AND DIGEST OURSELVES.
THEY KEEP SAYING WHAT THEY CAN DO, NOT WHAT THEY'RE GONNA DO.
HOW CAN YOU PERMIT MOVE IT ON TO THE NEXT LEVEL WHEN WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO DO? THAT'S A BIG ONE FOR ME.
UM, THE DEVELOPER, HE NEEDS TO MAKE MONEY.
IT'S T TWO R ONE DWELLING FOR THREE ACRES.
WHAT IS WRONG WITH RURAL IN THIS COUNTY? WHY ARE WE TRYING TO PAVE IT ALL? WHY ARE WE BUILDING MORE AND MORE AND MORE BEFORE THE SCHOOLS? AND I'M GONNA TELL YOU THAT REFERENDUM WILL PROBABLY BE VOTED DOWN.
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WE'RE TIRED OF BUFORT COUNTY BUILDING WITHOUT A LONG RANGE PLAN.AND I DON'T LIKE YOUR LONG RANGE PLAN.
NOT IN BEAUFORT COUNTY, ANYWHERE IN BEAUFORT COUNTY.
FIND ONE PLACE WHERE IT'S WORKING ONE PLACE.
HILTON HEAD, BLUFFTON, BEAUFORT, OKEE.
SO THE CART'S BEEN BOUGHT BEFORE THE HORSE AND THAT HORSE IS, IS STARVING.
MY LAST THING, IF YOU WEREN'T OFFENDED BY THE NEW KIRK ASSESSMENT, I WAS, IT'S OKAY.
WE'VE GOT, IF THEY STATED, I HAVE TO SAY THIS QUOTE, THIS TRACT IS NO DIFFERENT THAN THOUSANDS OF ACRES OF SIMILAR HABITAT SPREAD THROUGHOUT THE LOW COUNTRY.
WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? THAT IT'S OKAY TO ANNIHILATE OUR NEIGHBORHOOD AND TELL THE WILDLIFE, GO, YOU'RE NOT SPECIAL.
AND WHERE ARE THEY GONNA GO? WE'RE PAVING EVERYTHING.
WHERE ARE THEY GONNA GO? YOU PERMITTED.
AND I DON'T MEAN YOU, I MEAN, BEAUFORT COUNTY, MALLON BLUFF, RIVER OAKS TO DUMP ON CHERRY POINT.
AND NOW YOU WANT FIVE EXITS ONTO CHERRY BOARD DEVELOPMENT.
LARRY CHUDA, AND I'M 1 49 CHERRY POINT AS WELL.
YOU LADIES AND GENTLEMEN HAVE A VERY DIFFICULT, I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU DO IT, BECAUSE WE WERE HERE AT THE FIRST MEETING AND THOUGHT WE HAD INFORMATION, AND NOW ALL OF A SUDDEN WE HAVE A LOT MORE INFORMATION.
AND WHAT WAS DONE, THE BASIC CHANGE WAS THE 50 FOOT BUFFER IN THIS STUDY, WHICH TOLD US NOTHING MORE THAN WE DON'T HAVE ANY ENDANGERED SPECIES.
WELL, WE WON'T BECAUSE WE'RE GONNA RUIN THE PLACES THAT THEY COULD GO ANYWAY.
BUT BESIDES THAT, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT CAME UP, 71 ACRES, AND THEN YOU TALKED ABOUT THE 110 ACRES.
EVEN THE 71 ACRES ISN'T 71 BECAUSE IF YOU LOOK AT IT, THERE'S A LOT OF, UM, GREEN SPACE OR WATER SPACE IN THAT ACREAGE.
WELL, THEY CAN'T BUILD ON IT ANYWAY.
SO THAT CONDENSES THAT 71 ACRES AND 110 THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT EVEN MORE DURING THE TRAFFIC STUDY.
HOW ARE PEOPLE GOING TO GET IN AND OUT WITH THE DEVELOPMENT GOING ON DOWN CHERRY POINT ROAD? NEVER HEARD ANYTHING ABOUT THAT LOOKING AT THE TRAFFIC STUDY.
NOW OFF OF CHERRY POINT, YOU HAVE TO GO TURN RIGHT AND MAKE A A U-TURN.
I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY TIMES YOU'VE TRIED, YOU'VE SEEN PEOPLE MAKE U-TURNS NOW.
I MEAN, IT'S A DISASTER AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED.
AND I SEE IT BOTH ON CHERRY POINT, MILL AND BLUFF.
IT'S PUSHED DOWN AND YOU HAVE TO GO AROUND AND THERE'S NO STOPLIGHT IN BETWEEN.
YOU KINDA HAVE TO WAIT THE DISTANCE.
THAT'S GONNA BE A DIFFICULT THING.
AND THEN YOU SAY, WELL, I CAN HAVE ACCESS THROUGH A PLAN DEVELOPMENT.
CAN YOU IMAGINE? LIKE RIGHT NOW, THE LAST I SAW, WE HAVE MAIL AND BLUFF DUMPING INTO RIVER OAK, AND THAT'S ONE STREET.
YOU'RE, EVERYBODY'S DRIVING THROUGH THE DEVELOPMENT AND THIS IS A NEIGHBORHOOD.
UM, I WONDER ABOUT THAT, WHETHER THAT'S A A GOOD THING OR NOT.
I THINK WE'RE SEEING A LOT OF OVERDEVELOPMENT.
YOU SEE IT BOTH IN JASPER COUNTY AND, AND, UM, ALL OVER BEAUFORT.
YOU'VE GOT ARGENT, YOU LOOK AT RIVER OAKS.
WHAT, WHAT'S HAPPENED IN BLUFFING RIVER'S END IS RIGHT UP THE WAY AND NEW, THERE'S RIVER OAKS DEVELOPMENT RIGHT HERE.
ALL THAT IS IN DEVELOPMENT RIGHT NOW.
AND WHERE, WHAT'S THE PLAN? WHAT, HOW DO WE ENVISION BEAUFORT COUNTY TO REALLY LOOK IN THE FUTURE? AND I DON'T, I I SEE WE'RE JUST BUILDING OPEN LAND.
A GENTLEMAN HERE SAID, WE'RE ACCOUNTING FOR LAND.
THAT'S NOT EVEN, NOT EVEN PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT AS, OH, THAT'S, THAT'S OKAY.
WE CAN GO AHEAD AND INCLUDE THAT TOO, BECAUSE SOMEBODY ELSE MAY BUILD.
WELL ANYWAY, I, I THINK YOU GET MY POINT.
I, I THINK THERE'S AN AWFUL LOT.
THERE WASN'T ENOUGH INFORMATION AND NOW ALL OF A SUDDEN WE'RE GETTING MORE INFORMATION, WHICH IS GOOD.
BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE AS, UH, FLEE SAID, WE NEED MORE INFORMATION TO REALLY HELP DECIDE, OR YOU DO.
AND WE CAN'T EVEN MAKE COMMENT IF WE DON'T HAVE THAT INFORMATION.
AND IT'S MORE THAN JUST COMMENT.
IT'S WHAT WE'RE, WHAT WE'RE DOING LONG
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TERM FOR THE WHOLE COMMUNITY.I HAD A GREAT PLAN IN PLACE AND THEN WE GOT SOME ADDITIONAL INFORMATION.
SO IT'S GONNA BE A LITTLE MUDDY, BUT THAT'S OKAY.
UM, I FEEL LIKE WE'RE JUST TRYING TO FORCE SOMETHING INTO AN AREA THAT ISN'T BIG ENOUGH TO ACCOMMODATE IT.
WE HAVE A CON COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THAT'S BEEN MENTIONED NUMEROUS TIMES.
IT'S VERY CONFUSING, UM, TO ME, UM, BECAUSE I HAVEN'T HAD TIME TO DIGEST IT.
BUT IT DOESN'T MAKE ANY LOGICAL SENSE.
WE KNOW WHAT THEY WANNA DO, BUT THEY'RE NOT TELLING US WHAT IT'S GONNA BE.
IF WE HAD A FINALIZED PLAN THAT WE COULD ALL SIT THERE AND DIGEST AND SAY, THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT IT'S GONNA BE, MAYBE WE'D BE MORE OPEN TO IT.
BUT THE WAY IT SITS RIGHT NOW, THERE'S JUST TOO MANY QUESTIONS.
THE NO, RIGHT, AND I KNOW YOU GUYS DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE SUPER, SUPER STRUCTURE OF ONE 70 AND THAT, BUT IS THE WHOLE SCHOOL GONNA TURN RIGHT OUTTA CHERRY POINT AND DO A U-TURN? THAT IS, THAT'S, I, I DON'T KNOW HOW WHOEVER CAME UP WITH THAT.
I DON'T KNOW HOW THEY HAVE A JOB.
UM, DAN, MR. KERE MENTIONED THAT, UM, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS FLUID.
SO JUST BECAUSE WE CAN DO IT DOESN'T MEAN WE SHOULD.
I FEEL LIKE WE'RE TAKE OR WE'RE TAKING LAND FROM SOMEONE ELSE TO SAY WE CAN MAKE IT WORK.
AND THE, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS A GREAT PLAN.
AND I THINK IN THE RIGHT APPLICATION, I THINK IT'S, IT'S EXCELLENT.
THIS IS NOT THE RIGHT APPLICATION.
THE DENSITY SCARES THE CRAP OUT OF ME.
419 OR 400, WHATEVER, IF IT'S 400 PLUS, THAT IS SO MANY DWELLING UNITS IN THAT SMALL OF AN AREA.
AND AGAIN, PEOPLE HAVE MENTIONED IT BEFORE THAT THERE'S SCREEN SPACE TAKEN OUT AND IT'S JUST, THAT'S JUST A LOT OF UNITS IN THAT SMALL OF AN AREA.
UM, AND I'M GONNA, I HAVE MINUTES, SO I'M GOOD.
UM, I'M GONNA, I'LL WRAP IT UP REAL QUICK, BUT, UM, MARK HAD MENTIONED THAT THIS DEVELOPMENT HAS A COMMUNITY IN MIND, WHICH I THINK IS A VERY INTERESTING STATEMENT.
THE ONLY THING IS EVERYONE WHO'S FOR THE COMMUN OR FOR THE DEVELOPMENT IS BEING PAID BY THE DEVELOPER HERE.
THE REST OF THE COMMUNITY WHO ISN'T BEING PAID IS THE ONE WHO HAS POSED IT.
IS THIS IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE COMMUNITY? I DON'T THINK IT IS.
I AM, UM, KATHY, KATHY KEATING, AND I LIVE AT 1 32 CHERRY POINT ROAD.
AND I, I'M ANOTHER PERSON WITH PREPARED STATEMENT, BUT WE DIDN'T HAVE ALL THE INFORMATION.
I'M GONNA ASK YOU GUYS A QUESTION.
DOESN'T IT SEEM LIKE THERE'S, THIS WHOLE THING IS PREDICATED ON IFS IF THIS HAPPENS? AND IF THAT HAPPENS, AND IF THAT HAPPENS, YOU KNOW, THEN IT'S ALL GONNA BE GOOD.
NUMBER TWO, UM, YOU KNOW, YOU SAID THE RIGHT THING.
YEAH, IT'S A GREAT PLAN SOMEWHERE ELSE, SOMEWHERE THAT ISN'T ON THAT THOROUGHFARE THAT GOES FROM 4 62 TO 2 78.
I MEAN, HONEST TO GOD, THIS IS THE CRAZIEST DAMN THING EVER.
IF YOU SAW WHAT'S GOING ON BEHIND THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL, THAT'S NOT A VILLAGE.
THAT'S A BUNCH OF SECOND RATE HACK HOUSES, YOU KNOW? AND WE ALL KNOW IT BECAUSE WE'RE WATCHING IT.
NOBODY'S CHECKING THESE THINGS.
YOU, IF I SURE AS HELL HOPE, WHOEVER BUY THESE THINGS, THERE'S SOME SERIOUS DUE DILIGENCE.
'CAUSE THEY WON'T, YOU KNOW, I I, I WAS GONNA READ THIS PREPARED THING SO I DON'T GO NUTS ON YOU GUYS, BUT GEE, THIS IS LIKE THE MOST HALF-ASSED STUPID THING.
YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT THE EFFECT OF THOSE 300 WHATEVER BEHIND THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL WITH KIDS, WITH CARS AND EVERYTHING ELSE, HOW THAT IMPACTS EVERYTHING.
AND YET YOU WANNA ADD MORE CONGRATULATIONS, AS EVERYBODY ELSE SAID, THEY DON'T GIVE A CRAP.
AND SOMETIMES I WONDER ABOUT YOU GUYS, SERIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, ONE OF MY FRIENDS, ONE OF MY NEIGHBORS SAID, WHO THE HELL ARE THEY WORKING FOR BEAUFORT COUNTY OR, OR THE DEVELOPERS? WE DON'T KNOW RIGHT NOW? BUDDIES.
MA'AM, CAN YOU PLEASE BE A LITTLE MORE RESPECTFUL? THANK YOU.
OKAY, THAT'S THE END OF PUBLIC COMMENTS.
SO, UM, ANYBODY HAVE QUESTIONS OF, JUST REAL QUICK, I WANT TO ADDRESS JUST A COUPLE OF THOSE COMMENTS.
SO ONE IS YOU WANNA COME ON UP, PLEASE? YEAH, SURE.
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JUST FOR THE RECORD, SO EVERYBODY IN THE VIDEO CAN SEE YOUSO, SO TO ADDRESS THE COORDINATION BETWEEN JASPER AND HARDY V, WE ARE ALL PART, ALL THE AGENCIES ARE PART OF THE N P O, WHICH IS THE METROPOLITAN PLANNING ORGANIZATION.
SO AS FAR AS THE COORDINATION FOR TRAFFIC AND PLANNING THAT HAS TAKEN PLACE, THAT THEY ARE ALL PART OF THE LATS, UM, STUDY AREA, WHICH THEY ALL SIGN OFF ON THE, UH, THE CORRIDOR STUDY ITSELF.
AND AGAIN, THIS UPDATED CORRIDOR STUDY THAT WE'RE DOING RIGHT NOW WILL AGAIN BE SIGNED OFF ON BY LATS.
WE WILL BRING THAT TO YOU ALL FOR REVIEW AS WELL.
SO, AGAIN, MORE TO COME ON THAT, BUT I JUST WANT, WANT EVERYONE TO UNDERSTAND THAT COORDINATION BETWEEN JASPER AND HARDY DOES HAPPEN NOW, AS LONG AS WELL AS ALDER MUNICIPALITIES THROUGHOUT THE, THE COUNTY.
UM, AS FAR AS THAT UPDATED CORRIDOR STUDY, WE WILL BRING THAT TO YOU ALL.
UM, SO YOU WILL ALL HAVE THAT REVIEW.
UM, AGAIN, AS FAR AS THE, THE RCU CORRIDOR KNOW A LOT OF QUESTIONS THAT'S NOT, THAT'S NOT THE PURPOSE OF THIS MEETING.
SO WE CAN BRING FURTHER DETAIL TO YOU ALL WHEN WE BRING THAT CORRIDOR STUDY TO YOU, UM, SOMETIME IN THE NEXT SIX MONTHS.
ANYBODY HAVE QUESTIONS OF STAFF OR? I, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR MARK.
UM, SO WHAT WE DON'T HAVE HERE THAT WE MIGHT HAVE HAD UNDER THE OLD, UM, PLAN UNIT DEVELOPMENT SYSTEM, I DON'T KNOW WHERE ALL THIS DRAINAGE IS GONNA GO.
AND IT, I THINK IN ONE PRACTICALLY, THE ONLY REMARK I SAW WAS THAT IT WAS GONNA BE HANDLED ON SITE, BUT I DON'T, ON THESE MAPS, I SEE, YOU KNOW, WETLAND, BUFFER WETLAND, BUT I DON'T KNOW HOW ALL OF THE RUNOFF FROM THE, THE, ALL THE DWELLINGS, YOU KNOW, THE IMPERIOUS RUNOFF IS GONNA BE HANDED.
AND THAT CONCERNS ME FOR THE RIVER.
OKAY, SO WHEN DO WE LEARN ABOUT THAT? WELL, THAT'S ENGINEERING.
SO WE HAVE THE STORMWATER MANUAL, WE HAVE A STORMWATER DEPARTMENT.
ALL DEVELOPMENTS HAVE THAT STORMWATER MANUAL APPLIED TO THEM.
UH, IT INVOLVES BASICALLY IF WHATEVER WATER RUNS TO AN AREA, YOU HAVE TO TREAT IT OR MANAGE IT.
I, I KNOW I DON'T, I KNOW YOU ALL KNOW WHAT STORMWATER MANUAL, SO THAT WOULD BE A REQUIREMENT OF ANY DEVELOPMENT.
THIS SITE WOULD HAVE TO MEET THE STORMWATER MANUAL AS A PART OF ITS DEVELOPMENT.
LIKE THERE'S NO, YEAH, THERE'S NO NEGOTIATING THAT.
UM, AS I UNDERSTAND IT, THE O D'S ALREADY IMPAIRED.
UM, SO IT SEEMS TO ME ANY RUNOFF, STORMWATER SEWER HAS TO BE MAINTAINED ON THE SITE AND NOT DROPPED INTO THE OKEE.
IS THIS, IS, THERE ARE OTHER PROVISIONS IN THE STORMWATER PLANT MANAGEMENT MANUAL FOR KEEPING IT ON SITE? I'M, I CAN'T SPEAK FOR THE STORM.
SO YOU'RE SAYING LIKE THE NO DRAINAGE WOULD LEAVE THE SITE LIKE IT CURRENTLY DOES? MM-HMM.
THAT WOULD BE A VERY STRONG FEAT.
THAT MEANS EVERYTHING IS BEING MANAGED AND HANDLED AND INFILTRATED AT THE SITE, UM, WITH NO POINTS OF, YOU KNOW, ACCESS OR RUNOFF.
I BELIEVE EVEN ONE 70 IS DRAINING THROUGH THE SITE RIGHT NOW.
IT'S TAKEN, IT'S TAKEN WATER OFF OF ONE 70 AS A PART OF THE OLD DESIGN.
UM, WELL THAT'S PARTLY PROBABLY THE PART OF THE PROBLEM THAT MADE OKA T IT COULD BE, UM, I WOULD SAY THAT COMPARED PART OF THAT DRAINAGE, THERE COULD BE SOME OF THE STUFF.
WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS THERE COULD BE SOME DIRECT DRAINAGE FROM THE ROAD THAT'S NOT REALLY GETTING TREATED.
IT'S KIND OF JUST RUNNING THROUGH MM-HMM.
I CAN'T SPEAK FOR IT WHETHER IT BEING APPROVING THIS SITE, BUT I CAN TELL YOU THAT STORM WATER LAWS TODAY IN SOUTH CAROLINA ARE FAR SUPERIOR THAN THEY WERE EVEN 10 YEARS AGO.
SO THE AREA HAS DONE GREAT STRIDES IN HELPING ACHIEVE SOME OF A LOT OF THE THINGS THAT PEOPLE SAID HAVE SAID HERE.
UM, BUT I, I CAN'T SIT HERE AND SAY THAT NO STORM WATER WOULD EVER LEAVE THE SITE WHEN IT CURRENTLY DOES.
SO THE, THE PROBABLE CONDITION WOULD BE THAT IT WOULDN'T, AND THAT IT WOULD ADD TO THE IMPAIRMENT, TY, POTENTIALLY.
THE STORM WATER MANUAL BASICALLY SAYS YOU HAVE TO MAN, LIKE IF THERE'S SO MUCH, LET'S SAY A GALLON OF WATER GOES TO A POINT WHEN YOU'RE DONE DEVELOPING, A GALLON OF WATER CAN GO THERE, YOU HAVE TO HOLD IT BACK AND YOU HAVE TO RELEASE IT AND YOU HAVE TO CLEAN IT BEFORE IT CAN GO OUT.
AND THAT'S KIND OF WHAT STORMWATER MANUALS OR
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STORMWATER ENGINEERING DOES THESE DAYS.UNFORTUNATELY, THE STATE OF SOUTH CAROLINA DIDN'T DO VERY WELL IN ITS ADOPTION OF PHASE ONE AND PHASE TWO.
A LOT OF OTHER STATES DID WELL, AND I THINK SOME OF THE AREAS KIND OF PAYING THE PRICE AS A WHOLE.
BUT I CAN TELL YOU THAT BEAUFORT COUNTY HAS BEEN A PRETTY GOOD LEADER IN, UH, I'M GONNA SAY BEING A GOOD LEADER FOR THE STATE IN REGARDS TO ITS NEW REQUIREMENTS AND LAWS.
SO HOPEFULLY, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THAT STUFF AND PEOPLE IN THIS STATE CAN START TO SEE THAT THERE IS A BETTER WAY TO DO THINGS THAN THAT IT'S BEEN DONE IN THE PAST.
CAN THE DEVELOPER AT LEAST TELL US WHAT THE, YOU WOULD THINK IMPERVIOUS PERCENTAGE IS GONNA BE VERSUS WHAT IT IS NOW? I I CAN TALK THROUGH THE PLAN FOR STORMWATER.
WE, WE DO HAVE A ENGINEER ON THE TEAM.
WERE AT THIS REZONING STANDPOINT.
THEY'RE, WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN, WE'VE GOTTEN DETAILED INTERNALLY, BUT NOT TO THE POINT OF SUBMITTING DOCUMENTS, HAVING THEM HERE, OBVIOUSLY AS WE MOVE FORWARD THAT WE CAN PROVIDE ADDITIONAL DETAIL.
UM, I'M GONNA GO BACK TO THE MASTER PLAN.
SO IN THE MASTER PLAN, THERE'S AN EXISTING STORMWATER DITCH THAT RUNS BASICALLY THROUGH THE CENTER OF THE PROPERTY, DIRECTLY OUTFALLS, I THINK YOU'RE YEP, EXACTLY WHERE KRISTEN'S POINTING.
SO WE WOULD BE PICKING UP THAT STORMWATER.
AND WITH THE NEW ORDINANCE IN PARTICULAR, WE GOTTA TREAT THE STORMWATER IN MULTIPLE LOCATIONS.
SO AS SOON AS WATER HITS THE BUILDING OR ANY PARKING LOT SURFACE, MOST OF THESE PARKING LOTS WILL BE OUS BASED ON THE NEW REQUIREMENTS.
WE'LL TREAT THE WATER FOR SORT OF THE FIRST FLUSH AS IT ENTERS THE SITE OR COMES OFF OF A BUILDING.
THAT'S THE FIRST LEVEL OF TREATMENT.
THEN THEY'LL, THERE'LL BE ADDITIONAL TREATMENT AS THE WATER DRAINS ACROSS OUS SURFACES OR IMPERVIOUS SURFACES IN THIS CASE.
UM, AND YOU SEE THE CENTRAL GREEN SPACE THAT RUNS THROUGH, THAT'LL BE ONE TREATMENT METHOD THAT AREA WILL BE, WILL CONTAIN RAIN GARDENS AND BIOSWELLS, TREAT THAT WATER.
AND AS WATER, EVERYTHING SORT OF FLOWS OBVIOUSLY TOWARDS THE, THE RIVER TOWARDS THE SOUTH.
THE ADDITIONAL TREATMENT AREAS WOULD BE WHAT YOU SEE IN BLUE.
THOSE WOULD BE EITHER RAIN GARDENS OR BIOSWELLS OR SOME PONDS.
WITH THE, THE NEW ORDINANCE, YOU DON'T SEE BIG PONDS.
IT'S NOT PART OF WHAT'S ALLOWED IN NEW ORDINANCE.
THAT'S WHY YOU'RE NOT SEEING A BIG FIVE ACRE POND.
SO WE HAVE THE LAND SET ASIDE ON THE SOUTHERN CORRIDOR, UH, WHICH RUNS WELL RUNNING EAST WEST FROM ONE 70 ON THE SOUTHERN PART OF THE PLAN BEHIND THAT GREEN AMENITY.
AND THEN, UM, REALLY EVERY AREA AS YOU GO TOWARDS THE EAST HAS GREEN SPACE ALLOCATED FOR STORMWATER.
UM, IN ADDITION, THERE'LL BE, WE'RE NOT SHOWING IT HERE.
THERE'LL BE TREATMENT IN ALL THE ALLEYS.
THERE'LL BE GRAVEL, THERE MAY BE SUBSURFACE, RETAIN RETAINAGE IN THOSE ALLEYS.
SO WE HAVE FOUR OR FIVE DIFFERENT METHODS THAT'LL BE USED TO TREAT STORM WATER AS FAR AS CALCULATIONS AND VOLUME OF WATER.
WE'RE NOT, NOT THERE YET, BUT AS MARK DESCRIBED IT, WE HAVE PRETTY, PRETTY STRICT GUIDELINES AND CODES FOLLOWED TO GET THERE.
DOES THAT HELP CLARIFY OR ANY ADDITIONAL DETAIL? YEAH, SOMEWHAT.
IT'S, HAVE ANY, LIKE EVERYTHING ELSE, HAVE ANY CALCULATIONS BEEN DONE ABOUT, UM, THE AMOUNT OF IMPERVIOUS SURFACE THAT'S GOING TO BE CREATED? UM, WITH THE WIDENING OF ONE 70? WE, NO WAIT, THE SECTION OF ONE 70? NOT THAT I'M AWARE OF.
I MEAN, NO, I MEAN WE'RE, WE'RE JUST IN CONCEPT.
BUT THEN ALSO WHEN ONE 70 GETS WIDENED, THAT'LL INCREASE STORM WATER FLOW TO THE EXISTING STORM WATER DITCH THAT YOU TALKED ABOUT.
SO YOU'LL HAVE TO ACCOUNT FOR THAT IN YOUR CALCULATIONS.
ARE WE READY TO MAKE A MOTION DISCUSSION FIRST OR, WELL, WE'LL HAVE A DISCUSSION.
IF YOU WANNA TALK TO EACH OTHER, HAVE A QUESTION.
DO YOU WANNA DISCUSS IT NOW FURTHER AMONGST OURSELVES BEFORE WE HAVE A MOTION? ANYBODY HAVE A COMMENTS WE'D LIKE TO MAKE? YES, I, I GOT THAT.
I AM, I'M UNABLE TO SUPPORT THIS DEVELOPMENT.
UH, AND AS MOST OF YOU KNOW, I WAS
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A DEVELOPER.I THIS, TO BOIL IT DOWN, THIS RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT IS TOO FAR AHEAD OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE DEVELOPMENT IN THIS PARTICULAR AREA, SCHOOLS, ROADS, WE ALL HAVE QUESTIONS.
I CAN'T IN GOOD CONSCIENCE SUPPORT THIS PROPOSAL.
UH, AND I'M FURTHER TROUBLED BY THE FACT THAT IT'S NOT, WE ARE NOT SPEAKING TO THE DEVELOPER OF THIS PROPERTY.
WE'RE SPEAKING TO SOMEONE WHO IS DRESSING THIS PROPERTY UP TO SELL IT TO SOMEONE ELSE.
AND WE'RE GONNA GO THROUGH THIS ALL OVER AGAIN.
I THINK WE ARE AT LEAST THREE, IF NOT FIVE YEARS AHEAD OF WHEN WE SHOULD BE CONSIDERING THIS DEVELOPMENT FOR THIS AREA.
GIVEN THE INFRASTRUCTURE, THE ROADS AND SCHOOLS AND ALL THE OTHER THINGS THAT SEEM TO BE QUESTIONS THAT WE DON'T HAVE ALL THE ANSWERS TO, I'M UNABLE TO SUPPORT IT.
I THINK THAT'S REALLY GOOD WITH WHAT THE, UH, COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, UH, HAD POINTED OUT.
HOWEVER, HAVING SAID THAT, I'M ALONG LOOKING ALONG THE SAME LINES AS DAN OVER THERE.
THERE'S JUST TOO MUCH THAT'S UNKNOWN.
THE SCHOOL ISSUE IS JUST A, A BIG, BIG ONE FOR ME.
IF THE REFER REFERENDUM DOESN'T PASS, THEN THE WHOLE THING FALLS APART.
IT'S A HOUSE OF CARD, IT JUST FALLS RIGHT DOWN.
I THINK THERE ARE AT LEAST THREE TO FIVE YEARS, MAYBE LESS, I DON'T KNOW, DEPENDING ON WHEN THINGS HAPPEN, UH, AWAY.
AND I DON'T THINK I CAN SUPPORT THIS, UH, THIS DEVELOPMENT AT THIS TIME.
THE ONLY COMMENTS I HAVE ARE GONNA ECHO A LOT OF WHAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT ON PURE AND WHAT A LOT OF FOLKS IN THE COMMUNITY HAVE SAID.
AGAIN, JUST LIKE GLEN HAS SAID, IT'S A, IT'S A SUCCESS OF THE REFERENDUM.
IT'S A, IT IS A 50 50 CHANCE OF WHETHER THAT'S GONNA HAPPEN.
AND THEN AGAIN, EVEN IF IT DOES PASS, YOU'RE TALKING 2026, PERHAPS, MAYBE WE DON'T KNOW, GIVEN THE CURRENT WORKFORCE OR FOLKS THAT ARE GONNA BE ABLE TO CONSTRUCT AND BUILD AND GET THINGS DONE ON TIME.
THE CONTINUED GROWTH, NOT IN THIS AREA, BUT IN BUFORT COUNTY ALONE, EVER SINCE THE PANDEMIC HAS BEEN EXPONENTIAL.
ANYTHING, IF ANY OF Y'ALL REMEMBER FOUR YEARS AGO, ONE 70 WAS A TWO-LANE ROAD, AND YOU LOOK BACK, YOU KNOW, LOOK NOW, AND YOU SEE WHAT IT IS, YOU'RE JUST, IT'S, IT'S BOG IT'S MIND BOGGLING TO ME.
I DO, AS I I SAID THIS THE LAST MEETING, I APPRECIATE WHAT THE STAFF HAS DONE.
I THINK THESE THINGS, THESE, THESE VILLAGE PLACE TYPE OVERLAYS ARE EXCELLENT.
I DON'T, I'M JUST NOT SURE THIS IS THE RIGHT PLACE FOR IT, GIVEN THE GROWTH IN THIS PARTICULAR AREA THAT'S ALREADY THERE, GIVEN THE INFRASTRUCTURE STILL UP IN THE AIR OF WHETHER IT'S GONNA BE APPROVED OR, OR THE WIDE, THE, THE ROADS ARE GONNA BE WIDENED.
IT'S, IT'S STILL JUST TOO MUCH SMOKE AND MIRRORS.
THE HIGHWAYS ARE ALREADY CONGESTED AS IT IS.
I DON'T SEE IT GETTING ANY BETTER.
AND DURING THE TIME WHEN WE PLAN ON MAKING THESE CHANGES, WHENEVER THE COUNTY AND S C D O T DECIDES THEY'RE GONNA COME TO TERMS, WHAT IMPACT IS THAT GONNA HAVE ON THE CURRENT RESIDENTS IN THIS AREA AND THE FOLKS THAT ARE STILL TRYING TO DO THEIR DAY-TO-DAY TASKS? I MEAN, I GET IT, YOU KNOW, IT'S PROGRESS, IT'S DEVELOPMENT, BUT SOME FOLKS HAVE HAD ENOUGH, THEIR, THE COMMUNITY IMPACT ALONE I THINK IS, IS SUBSTANTIAL.
AND, AND I'M NOT REAL SURE THIS IS THE RIGHT TIME AND THE RIGHT PLACE FOR THIS.
I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS OUTTA ORDER OR NOT.
HOW LONG AGO WAS THE PROPERTY PURCHASED BY THE DEVELOPER? DO WE KNOW THAT? I'M SORRY.
AND THAT IS, UH, YOU BROUGHT UP THE IDEA THAT THERE, THERE'S, YOU CALL IT AN M P O.
I THINK THAT'S, YEAH, METROPOLITANS, I, I'M ENCOURAGED BY THAT, THAT THERE'S TALK WITH HARDY BILL AND JASPER 'CAUSE THAT THEY, THEY HAVE A STAKE IN THIS WHOLE ONE 70 THING TOO.
AND YET THEY'RE NOT HERE TONIGHT.
WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY'RE THINKING ABOUT.
AND WE'RE, WE'RE STILL ACTING IN A VACUUM IF, ON THIS ONE PIECE OF PROPERTY HERE.
SO, UM, I THINK IT'S GREAT, BUT WE NEED TO KNOW MORE ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON THERE IN ORDER TO MAKE INTELLIGENT DECISIONS, PLANNING DECISIONS.
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I GUESS I'VE GOT A COUPLE OF COMMENTS, AND I MAY BE THE, UH, THE MINORITY VOICE HERE, BUT I'M JUST TRYING TO THINK IN MY OWN MIND WHAT THE ROLE OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION IS.AND FOR ME, IT'S BEEN, UM, IN MANY WAYS IS A, UH, CARETAKER OR STEWARD OF OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, WHICH IS SOMETHING THAT WE JUST RECENTLY ADOPTED, UM, WHICH WAS AN EXTREMELY LONG PUBLIC PROCESS THAT BROUGHT US TO WHERE WE ARE TODAY.
THESE, UM, PLACE TYPE OVERLAY LOCATIONS AND THE TYPE OF PLACE TYPES THAT ARE BEING SUGGESTED, WERE ALL PART OF THAT PUBLIC PROCESS AND ARE ADOPTED AS PART OF OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
UM, SO IN MY MIND, UM, I DON'T KNOW THAT THIS COMMISSION'S ROLE IS REALLY TO MAKE A DECISION ON WHAT IS ESSENTIALLY PLACING A MORATORIUM ON DEVELOPMENT.
BECAUSE WHETHER IT'S THIS DEVELOPMENT OR AS THE PROPERTY'S CURRENTLY ZONED, UM, ANY NEW GROWTH IS GOING TO HAVE IMPACTS.
UM, THERE ARE CERTAIN THINGS THAT WE CAN CONTROL.
OTHER THINGS THAT I THINK ARE BEYOND THIS BODY'S CONTROL.
UM, UM, THE, THE SCHOOL DISTRICT SITUATION IS ONE THAT I DON'T, I MEAN, IF THIS WAS DEVELOPED AS, UM, T TWO ONE NEW HOUSE WITH CHILDREN IS GONNA HAVE AN IMPACT.
SO IT, IT'S NOT THAT, UM, THERE WOULD BE NO IMPACT UNLESS THERE WAS A MORATORIUM ON DEVELOPMENT.
UM, I THINK ONE OF THE QUESTIONS FROM THE FIRST MEETING THAT I HAD A LOT OF CONCERNS WITH WAS THE ROADWAY INFRASTRUCTURE.
UM, AND, UM, I FELT THAT A LOT OF THOSE QUESTIONS WERE ANSWERED IN TERMS OF THE EXHIBIT THAT SHOWED ALL OF THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT ARE GOING TO BE REQUIRED TO BE MADE BY THE DEVELOPER, UM, IN ORDER FOR THIS TO MOVE FORWARD.
SO IT'S, THERE IS NO QUESTION IN MY MIND ON THE TIMING OF THOSE IMPROVE, EXCUSE ME, IMPROVEMENTS THAT THOSE WILL HAPPEN AS PART OF THIS DEVELOPMENT BEFORE, UM, UM, THAT DEVELOPMENT IS COMPLETE.
UM, SO I, I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS THAT'S DIFFERENT WITH THESE PLACE TAPE PLACE TYPE OVERLAYS IN MY MIND VERSUS JUST STANDARD ZONING, IS THAT WITH STANDARD ZONING, YOU'VE GOT A LOT MORE UNCERTAINTY, I BELIEVE, IN TERMS OF THE AMOUNT OF INFORMATION THAT HAS TO BE PROVIDED.
UM, AND I THINK IF THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT WE CAN, UM, TIED TO A RECOMMENDATION TO PROVIDE GREATER CERTAINTY, I THINK THAT'S GOING TO BE A BENEFIT TO, UM, EVERYONE.
SO FOR EXAMPLE, THEY'VE TALKED ABOUT INCREASING THE BUFFER.
SO I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S A GIVEN.
THEY PROVIDED, UM, INFORMATION THAT SAID THEY'RE WILLING TO LIMIT OR CON STRICT DENSITY FOR ALL OF THE, UH, THE AREA THAT'S BEING ZONED, T THREE TO 84 DWELLING UNITS, WHICH IS ABOUT 2.3 DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE.
SO WE KNOW THAT THAT BACK HALF TO TWO THIRDS IS GOING TO BE SINGLE FAMILY DEVELOPMENT AND THAT THE DENSITY IS GOING TO BE CAPPED AT THAT 2.3 ROUGHLY DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE, UM, WHICH IS IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO WHERE THE EXISTING RESIDENTIAL IS.
UM, THERE WAS A LOT OF CONFUSION IN THAT FIRST TRAFFIC STUDY THAT TALKED ABOUT 240,000 NON-RESIDENTIAL SQUARE FEET.
UM, AND IN A LOT OF THE LETTERS THAT WE RECEIVED IN THAT FIRST GO AROUND, THERE WAS CONCERN ABOUT THAT.
OBVIOUSLY, I CERTAINLY HAD A CONCERN ABOUT THAT MUCH NON-RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT, BUT I THINK NOW THEY'RE SAYING THAT THERE NON-RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT IS GOING TO BE SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 25 AND 75,000 SQUARE FEET.
AND IF THEY'RE WILLING TO LOCK THAT IN SO THAT WE KNOW THERE'S GOING TO BE NO MORE THAN 75 AND NO LESS THAN 25, THEN I THINK THAT PROVIDES SOME CERTAINTY.
WE KNOW THAT THERE'S TO BE SOME OF THOSE NON-RESIDENTIAL USES THAT ARE NECESSARY FOR THIS VILLAGE CONCEPT TO WORK, BUT IT'S NOT GONNA BE SO BIG THAT YOU'RE GONNA END UP WITH, UH, TOO MUCH COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT AND CREATE THE ISSUES THAT WE ALL WANNA AVOID ALONG ONE 70.
UM, AND THEN THESE, UH, UM, REGULATING PLANS ARE SOMETHING THAT I THINK IS VERY SIGNIFICANT AS WELL, UM, IN THAT IT PROVIDES GENERAL LOTTING PATTERNS AND A, UH, INSIGHT INTO THE SCALE AND MASSING OF THE NON-RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT SO THAT WE HAVE SOME CERTAINTY THAT, UM, YOU'RE NOT GONNA, THERE, THERE'S A PRETTY LONG LIST OF LAND
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USES THAT ARE ALLOWED WITHIN THE T FOUR, BUT IF THEY FIT WITHIN KIND OF THIS LOTTING PATTERN THAT THEY'VE PROVIDED ON THE REGULATING PLAN AND GENERAL SCALE AND MASSING, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE NOT GONNA HAVE BIG BOX RETAIL OUT THERE.YOU'RE GONNA HAVE THINGS THAT I THINK ARE CONSISTENT WITH THE TYPE OF SCALE AND MASSING THAT BELONGS WITHIN A VILLAGE PLACE.
UM, SO, UM, WHILE I, I HAD SOME CONCERNS.
A LOT OF THE CONCERNS THAT I HAD FROM THE FIRST MEETING, UM, WERE ANSWERED BY THE RESPONSES THAT WE GOT TONIGHT.
SO, UM, I WOULD PROBABLY BE MOVING MORE IN FAVOR OF RECOMMENDING, UM, THIS TYPE OF, UH, VILLAGE PLACE OVERLAY, UM, IN ORDER TO MEET WHAT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS ASKED FOR AND PROVIDE SOME GREATER CERTAINTY AS TO WHAT'S ACTUALLY GONNA BE BUILT UP THERE.
JUST IN RESPONSE TO JOHN AND WHAT YOU SAID, AND THIS IS WHAT I KEPT THINKING OF WHEN YOU WERE TALKING PRETTY MUCH ABOUT THE SQUARE FOOTAGE AND WHAT THEY WANT TO BUILD IN THAT PARTICULAR, THE FRONT END ZONE TOWARDS ONE 70.
YOU KNOW, THE, THE THEME THAT COMES UP AGAIN AND AGAIN IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS WALKABLE URBANISM.
AND THEY WANT TO BE ABLE TO WALK, YOU KNOW, TO DO AS MUCH AS YOU POSSIBLY CAN.
AND I THINK YOU'RE VERY CORRECT.
THERE HAS TO BE SOME TYPE OF GUARANTEE THAT THERE IS GONNA BE THOSE TYPE OF BUSINESS IN THERE THAT PEOPLE ARE GONNA WANT TO WALK TO.
IT DOESN'T NEED TO BE AN OLD NAVY.
IT DOESN'T NEED TO BE, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING BIG AND LARGE BECAUSE THEN YOU ARE GOING TO INCUR THAT FURTHER TRAFFIC THAT'S JUST GONNA DO NOTHING MORE THAN CONGEST CONGEST THAT AREA.
I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU GUARANTEE THAT, BECAUSE THOSE WOULD BE OPENED UP FOR BIDDERS TO COME IN AND PUT IN WHATEVER THEY WANT.
SO THERE WOULD NEED TO BE SOME MORE STRINGENT GUIDELINES, I GUESS, WITHIN THE ZONING TO DETERMINE WHAT TYPE OF BUSINESS WOULD GO IN THERE TO PROMOTE THAT URBAN, UH, WALKABLE URBANISM.
OTHER COMMENTS? WELL, UH, LET ME MAKE, UH, A COMMENT ABOUT THE INFORMATION ABOUT WE HAVE THE AUTHORITY FOR DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
WE DON'T, UH, THE PLANNING COMMISSION DOES NOT HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO APPROVE OR DENY A DEVELOPMENT PLAN THAT'S COUNTY COUNCIL, AND THAT'S GOES, BUT WE GO FORWARD IN A DETERMINATION AS THEY WRESTLE THROUGH THE PLANNING INITIATIVES THAT ARE MONUMENTAL AT THIS POINT TO GET TO A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, HOPEFULLY BEFORE FINAL APPROVAL AND THE PUBLIC MEETING WHERE IT WOULD BE PRESENTED.
UM, WHILE WE DON'T HAVE THAT AUTHORITY, WHAT WE HEARD TONIGHT IS A LOT OF GOOD PLANNING GOING ON IN TERMS OF HOW WE'RE GONNA ADDRESS THESE ISSUES.
THERE'S RECOGNITION THAT WE HAVE SOME MONUMENTAL HILLS TO CLIMB.
WE'VE GOT A PROMISES, WE'VE GOT A LOT OF COORDINATION NECESSARY BETWEEN MULTIPLE COUNTIES, UH, AND MULTIPLE DEVELOPERS AND A LOT OF FUNDING THAT'S GONNA BE NECESSARY TO WRITE ALL OF THE INEQUITIES THAT ARE GONNA BE CREATED BY THE TRAFFIC BUILDING CONSTANTLY ON ONE 70.
UH, I TOO AM CONCERNED ABOUT THE SCHOOL AND BEING ADEQUATE AS, AS AN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL, IT'S GOT A GREAT REPUTATION.
I DON'T WANT TO SEE THAT SED BY FURTHER COMPOUNDING OVERCROWDING.
UM, I DIDN'T HEAR ANYTHING ABOUT EXPANSION OF THE SCHOOL SITE, SO I DON'T THINK THAT'S PART OF THE INITIAL PLANNING, BUT, UM, CERTAINLY TO ACCOMMODATE THIS WALKABLE URBANISM FOR CHILDREN WOULD BE A PARAMOUNT ISSUE OF CONCERN THAT I WOULD HAVE IN, IN THAT PLANNING EFFORT.
AND THAT IS A PROMISE AT THIS POINT AS WELL.
VERY DIFFICULT PROMISE IN THE CURRENT ENVIRONMENT WE'RE IN WITH, UH, TAX REASSESSMENT, UM, BOND REFERENDUMS GREEN SPACE ACT, WHICH IS ENACTED AND NOW A 400 PLUS MILLION DOLLAR, UH, SCHOOL BOND REFERENDUM.
SO I, I THINK THIS IS SOMEBODY SAID TO CART BEFORE THE HORSE, I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF PLANNING.
IT'S GONNA, A LOT OF PLANNING HAS TO CONTINUE TO GO ON.
THINGS NEED TO BE WORKED VERY CLOSELY WITH THE STAFFS AND THE DEVELOPERS IN CONCERT ANSWERED.
UH, THE INFORMATION PRESENTED TONIGHT IS A DEMONSTRATION OF MOVING THAT AREA, BUT I THINK THERE'S STILL TOO MANY UNANSWERED QUESTIONS THAT NEED TO BE RESOLVED IN GOOD CONSCIENCE.
I COULDN'T SUPPORT MOVING FORWARD UNTIL SOME OF THOSE QUESTIONS ARE ANSWERED.
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I AGREE, YOU KNOW, WITH THE KINDS OF COMMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN SAID ALREADY, BUT, AND TO GO BACK TO THE LAST MEETING, I MEAN, I REMEMBER SAYING CART BEFORE THE HORSE, AND THAT TO ME WAS JUST SORT OF THE BOTTOM LINE AND WHY TWO OF US, UM, VOTED NOT TO LET THE DEVELOPERS PROCEED OR, OR NOT TO DEFER.AND, UM, YOU KNOW, AND, AND WE WERE OUT VOTED AND THAT'S FINE.
AND, YOU KNOW, DEMOCRACY AT WORK, I THINK IT'S GREAT AND I I APPRECIATE ALL THE NEIGHBORS WHO HAVE COME OUT AGAIN AND, AND THE DEVELOPMENT TEAM, BUT I, I REALLY THINK THERE ARE JUST TOO MANY IFS.
I'M JUST VERY UNCOMFORTABLE WITH THE NUMBER OF IFS AND I WANNA PRAISE THE PLANNING STAFF FOR, UM, APPLYING OR WANTING TO DEVELOP OR HOPE TO LEARN FROM, UM, THE PLACE TYPE OVERLAY.
AND, AND I, I THINK MARK IS RIGHT.
I THINK, YOU KNOW, IN THE SENSE THAT THE PLANNING STAFF IS LOOKING FOR NEW WAYS TO, UM, DEVELOP COMPATIBLY WITH THE NEIGHBORS IN GENERAL IN BEAUFORT COUNTY.
WE'RE TRYING, YOU KNOW, I THINK YOU ALL DOING THE BEST YOU CAN.
I JUST THINK THAT THE P T O IN THIS, UM, VENUE, IT'S JUST THE WRONG PLACE FOR IT.
MY QUESTION LAST MEETING WAS, IS THIS THE FIRST TIME IT'S BEEN DONE AND TRIED IN BEAUFORT COUNTY? AND I THINK YOU SAID YES.
I JUST THINK IT'S THE WRONG PIECE OF LAND TO, UM, ENCOURAGE THAT OR AS YOU PUT IT IN, IN THE MATERIALS, THE WRONG POSSIBILITY, THE WRONG, YOU KNOW, I THINK YOU SAID THE P T O OR THE, UH, COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT CODE EXPRESSES THE POSSIBILITY THAT A P T O CAN BE USED HERE.
I GUESS I HAVE TO DISAGREE WITH THAT.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS ON COMMISSIONERS? MAY I HAVE A MOTION REGARDING THE ZONING MAP AMENDMENT REQUEST? YEAH, MR. CHAIRMAN, I'D MAKE A RECOMMENDATION, UH, TO COUNSEL FOR DENIAL OF THE ZONING MAC AMENDMENT.
UH, REZONING REQUEST FOR 71.54 ACRES LOCATED AT 1691 O P T HIGHWAY FROM T TWO RURAL TO T FOUR NEIGHBORHOOD CENTER AND T THREE NEIGHBORHOOD USING A VILLAGE PLACE TYPE OVERLAY.
WE HAVE A SECOND IS FURTHER DISCUSSION.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION, RAISE YOUR HAND.
1, 2, 3, 4, 5 OPPOSED? WE HAVE TWO.
THE MOTION IS APPROVED FOR DENIAL OF THE, THE ZONING MAP AMENDMENT REQUEST.
UM, YOU HAVE PLANNING COMMISSION MEMBERS, PLEASE STAY HERE.
WE'RE WHILE WE, THE ROOM CLEARS.
[8. VOTE ON PLANNING COMMISSION VICE CHAIR FOR THE REMAINDER OF 2023]
I'M OPEN TO NOMINATIONS FOR A VICE CHAIR FOR A REMAINING TERM.MR. CHAIRMAN, I WOULD LIKE TO NOMINATE CECILY TO THE POSITION OF VICE CHAIR.
WE HAVE A NOMINATION FOR CECILY NOLAN TO BE, DO WE HAVE A SECOND? WE HAVE A SECOND
DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER NOMINATIONS? OKAY.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? ONE SECOND.
I ACTUALLY, THIS WAS IN OUR, UM, OTHER MEETING.
YOU'RE PROPOSING THAT IT'S JUST FOR THE REMAINDER OF YEAR 2023, WE'D BE REIGNING OF THE TERM THAT YOU'RE GONNA BE FILLING FOR FROM THE VACATED VICE CHAIR.
SO, AND THEN THERE WOULD BE ANOTHER ELECTION AND THAT TERM'S COMPLETED.
AND THAT WOULD'VE BEEN RANDOLPH? YES.
WHICH MAY BE, AND HIS TERM ENDED FEBRUARY.
IT WOULD END IN FEBRUARY OF 24.
IT'S AT THE END THAT, THAT WAS JUST, I BELIEVE IT'S A TWO YEAR TERM.
IT WOULD BE A, IT'S A TWO YEAR TERM.
I THINK HE, HE WOULD'VE BEEN ON IT, UH, A YEAR AND SEVERAL MONTHS.
AND SO IN WHATEVER FEBRUARY OF 2024, WE'D HAVE ANOTHER ELECTION CORRECT.
FOR THE VICE CHAIR FOR THE TWO YEARS.
FOR BOTH THE VICE CHAIR AND THE CHAIR.
UH, THE VICE WOULD BE FOR ONE YEAR, BEGINNING IN FEBRUARY AND THEN IN THE NEW ELECTIONS AND THE, WELL, YOU'D BE
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ELIGIBLE FOR A TWO YEAR TERM, RIGHT? IN FEBRUARY YOUR CHAIR WOULD BE MY CHAIR.YOU WANT TO COMPLETE HIS TERM, WHICH ENDS IN FEBRUARY 24.
AND THEN AFTER THAT, IN, IN FEBRUARY OF 24, WE HAVE AN ELECTION, ACCORDING TO, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT EARLIER TODAY FOR TWO YEARS.
IT SAYS, UH, IT SAYS VICE ONE YEAR.
NO, IT IS CHANGE FROM ONE YEAR CHANGE.
THAT'S, SO THAT'S BECAUSE THE C D C ALLOWS ADMINISTRATIVE CHAPTER TWO ALLOWS FOR TWO YEAR TERMS FOR CHAIR AND VICE CHAIR.
UM, SO THAT IF I ACCEPT, I JUST SORT OF WANNA KNOW I'M ABSOLUTELY, WELL, YOU, YOU'LL GET A FULL BRIEFING.
I'M DETERMINED TO BE THE VICE CHAIR UNTIL FEBRUARY.
YOU'LL HAVE MORE INFORMATION THAN YOU CARE ABOUT.
SO,
UM, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION TO APPOINT CECILY MCMILLAN AS VICE CHAIR OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION FOR THE REMAINING OF TERM.
UM, SAY RAISE YOUR HAND OPPOSED, I GUESS FOR MYSELF.
[9. CHAIRMAN’S REPORT]
YOU VERY MUCH.THE ONLY LAST MINOR PIECE OF BUSINESS IS OUR NEXT MEETING IS, IS ON A THURSDAY.
I DON'T, IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE? OTHER BUSINESS 'CAUSE OF LABOR DAY, RIGHT? HEARING NO OTHER BUSINESS.