[1. Call to Order ]
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I'D LIKE TO CALL THIS JULY 11TH, 2023 WORKSHOP MEETING TO ORDER.
KIMBERLY, ARE WE IN COMPLIANCE AND FREEDOM INFORMATION?
[3. Adoption of the Agenda ]
WE ARE.MR. ORLANDO, ARE ANY CHANGES TO THE AGENDA? NO, SIR.
DO WE HAVE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE AGENDA? OKAY.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.
[4.a. Discussion of Hilton Head Island Major Thoroughfare Corridor Plan ]
MUCH.WE HAVE ONE ITEM ON OUR WORKSHOP AGENDA TODAY, AND THAT IS THE DISCUSSION FOR THE HILTON HEAD ISLAND MAJOR THOROUGHFARE CORRIDOR PLAN.
THIS IS OUR SECOND TOWN COUNCIL WORKSHOP ON THE MAJOR THROUGH FAIR CORRIDORS PLAN.
THIS WORKSHOP WAS IN MARCH, 2023, AND WE REVIEWED AND DISCUSS THE SYSTEMS. UH, THIS IS THE SECOND WORKSHOP, AND WE WILL REVIEW AND DISCUSS SEGMENTS.
I WOULD LIKE TO INVITE SEAN AND HIS TEAM TO, I'D ALSO LIKE TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT WE'RE JOINED BY CONSULTANTS, BRIAN KINSMAN WITH MK SK ADDIE WEBER OF TOOL DESIGN, AND JONATHAN GUY WITH KIMBERLY HORN AND TONY FOR A SK UH, MAYOR.
THANK YOU, UH, MAYOR COUNCIL, TOM MANAGER FOR ALLOWING OUR TEAM TO MEET WITH YOU TODAY TO CONTINUE DISCUSSION ON THE CORRIDOR, UH, MAJOR CORRIDOR PLAN.
UM, WE'VE BEEN WORKING AT THIS FOR ABOUT 18 MONTHS.
UM, I'VE GOT SOME OPENING COMMENTS.
THIS IS A BIG UNDERTAKING, SO I JUST SHOULD GIVE A FEW ME JUST A LITTLE BIT OF GRACE AND, AND A COUPLE MINUTES TO GO THROUGH THIS.
UH, WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH AN EXPERT TEAM.
UM, OUR INTERNAL TEAM WAS WITH, UH, STAFF EXPERTS, UH, BUT ALSO OUR CONSULTING, UM, UM, FOLKS HERE THAT ARE AT THE TABLE AND THEIR TEAMS THAT ARE, THAT HAVE BEEN BUILDING THIS PLAN AND DOING A LOT OF THE BACKGROUND WORK.
BRIAN KINSMAN REPRESENTING M K SK.
WE KNOW BRIAN, WE'VE SEEN HIM FROM SOME OTHER WORKS.
BUT MK SK IS A PLANNING URBAN DESIGN, A LANDSCAPE ARCHITECTURE FIRM.
THEY'VE GOT 12, UM, METROPOLITAN STUDIOS.
UH, THEY'RE A LEADER IN CAPTURING THE FULL VALUE OF STREETS FOR ALL USE, UM, FOR ALL USERS.
AND WE KNOW, UM, IN THEIR WORK WITH US HELPING DEVELOP A CORRIDORS PLAN, UM, IN THE STONY COMMUNITY.
UM, UH, EARLIER, UM, WITH OUR ENGAGEMENT, UM, ADDIE WEBER, WE HAVE ADDIE WEBER, UH, FROM TOOL DESIGN.
UM, THEY'RE FOUNDED WITH A MISSION TO SUPPORT INNOVATIVE STREETS AND DYNAMIC COMMUNITIES WHERE PEOPLE OF ALL AGES AND ABILITIES CAN ENJOY WALKING, BIKING, AND ACCESS TO TRANSIT.
UH, TOOL HAS BEEN HIRED TO PREPARE AND UPDATE THE FEDERAL AASHTO STANDARDS.
AND I HAVE WHAT AASHTO MEANS, AMERICAN ASSOCIATION OF STATE HIGHWAY AND TRANSPORTATION OFFICIALS.
UM, SO, UH, WE KNOW THAT THEY'RE ENGAGED ON THE NATIONAL LEVEL AND OUR LEADERS IN, IN THAT FIELD RELATED TO BIKING, WALKING, ACCESS TO TRANSIT, AND SO FORTH AND SO FORTH.
UH, JONATHAN GUY WE HAVE HERE REPRESENTING KIMLEY HORN, A PLANNING AND DES UH, AND DESIGN ENGINEERING CONSULTANT.
THEY'RE NATIONALLY RECOGNIZED AS INDUSTRY LEADER, CREATING SUSTAINABLE TRANSPORTATION PLANS FOR COMMUNITIES AND REGIONS.
UM, OTHER TEAM MEMBERS HAVE PLAYED A CRITICAL ROLE.
UM, WE HAVE TONY ROLL, UM, SUPPORT FOR MKS.
K HE'S REALLY BEEN OUR POINT PERSON, UH, LAST MINUTE CHANGES, UM, EVEN AS CLOSE AS MAYBE NINE 30 THIS MORNING.
UM, BUT WE REALLY APPRECIATE TONY, UM, AND THEIR TEAM, UM, THAT HAVE BEEN PART OF THIS, INCLUDING JONATHAN STAKER.
UH, WE'VE GOT JARED DRAPER WITH TOOL DESIGN.
WE HAVE CARLA VINCENT, UH, ON OUR TEAM AND OUR, UH, PROJECT MANAGERS AND ENGINEERING, TRANSPORTATION, STORMWATER AND FACILITIES THAT HAVE ALL PROVIDED SUBJECT, UM, INPUT AND SUBJECT MATTER TO GET THE PROJECT TO WHERE WE ARE TODAY.
UM, AT YOUR MARCH WORKSHOP, WE REVIEWED THE SYSTEM SEGMENTS, UM, THE ESSENTIAL ELEMENTS THAT MAKE UP SAFE, FUNCTIONAL, ATTRACTIVE CORRIDOR LAND, INCLUDING LANDSCAPES, SIGNAGE, INTERSECTIONS, ET CETERA.
UM, AT TODAY'S WORKSHOP, WE WILL REVIEW THE SEGMENTS APPLYING THOSE SYSTEMS THAT WE LOOKED AT, UM, EARLIER IN MARCH.
UM, THE SPECIFIC AREAS THAT, UM, THAT TOWN COUNCIL HAD ADVISED US TO REVIEW IN MORE DETAIL, AND THOSE SEGMENTS INCLUDE WILLIAM WILLIAM MILTON PARKWAY AT NORTHRIDGE, WILLIAM MILTON PARKWAY, THROUGH THE CHAPLAIN COMMUNITY.
IT IS THE, UM, WE CALL IT WILLIAM MILTON PARKWAY, SEGMENT TWO, BUT REALLY THE MAIN STREET CORRIDOR IN SEGMENT, THE PALMETTO BAY, UM, BAY PINES ARROW ROAD SEGMENT AS YOU'RE LOOKING ON THE SOUTH END, UH, C PINE CIRCLE, POP AVENUE, UM, AND KNI CIRCLE IN THOSE SE IN THOSE SEGMENTS.
SO WE'VE, WE'VE REALLY REVIEWED THOSE IN MORE DETAIL.
THEY'RE GONNA BE A MAJOR FOCUS OF THE, OF THE PRESENTATION AND DISCUSSION, UH, HERE TODAY.
UM, WE'LL REVIEW THE DETAILS FOR THESE SEGMENTS AS, AS WELL AS GENERAL RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THE OVERALL CORRIDOR.
I WANNA JUST POINT OUT, THIS IS A MASSIVE UNDERTAKING.
YOU KNOW, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT THIS COMMUNITY HAS NOT DONE AT THIS LEVEL.
UM, AND I WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT, UM, WE APPRECIATE COUNCIL SUPPORT IN ADVANCING US AND GIVING US THE RESOURCES AND ABILITY TO DO THIS, UM, TO DO THIS WORK AND TO MAKE MEANINGFUL
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IMPACT, UH, TO THE COMMUNITY FROM A SAFETY, FROM AN AESTHETIC, UH, FROM A FUNCTIONALITY FOR ALL USERS WITHIN THESE CORRIDORS.UM, COUNCIL WILL ULTIMATELY BE ASKED TO ADOPT THE PLAN AND THE CONCEPTS THAT ARE PART OF THAT PLAN.
WE WANNA HAVE DISCUSSION WITH COUNCIL, LIKE WE DID ON THE SYSTEMS TODAY WITH SOME SEGMENTS.
I ANTICIPATE FOLLOW UP MEETINGS TO GO IN MORE DETAIL, UM, TO GET US TO THE POINT WHERE WE CAN ULTIMATELY PRESENT YOU A CORRIDOR PLAN THAT YOU'RE COMFORTABLE WITH AND THAT WE CAN USE IS OUR BLUEPRINT TO WORK WITH.
UM, SETTING C I P AND BUDGETING WORK WITH OUR PARTNERS.
YOU KNOW, ONLY 3% OF THE ROADS ON HILL THAT ARE OWNED BY THE TOWN, UM, MOST ARE PRIVATE, BUT WE, WE ALSO HAVE TO THINK ABOUT OUR PARTNERSHIPS AND RELATIONSHIP WITH D O T AND, UH, AND BEAUFORT COUNTY WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THESE, THESE SEGMENTS.
UM, SO WE KNOW, WE'LL, WE'LL BRING YOU A PLAN SOMETIME LATER, BUT WHEN YOU'RE COMFORTABLE AND WE'VE ADDRESSED ALL YOUR, UH, YOUR QUESTIONS, THE INPUT, UH, AND BRING THAT BACK, UH, INDIVIDUAL SEGMENTS WILL PRESENTED, WILL BE PRESENTED FROM COUNCIL TO TIME, FROM TIME TO TIME AS WE ADVANCE THROUGH IMPLEMENTATION.
YOU KNOW, YOU CONTROL, UH, PRIORITIZATION THROUGH YOUR STRATEGIC ACTION PLAN THROUGH THE BUDGET AND THE C I P THAT'S PRESENTED TO YOU EACH YEAR.
AND WE CAN HAVE DISCUSSIONS DUE THE, UH, DURING THE QUARTERLY C I P MEETINGS THAT WE WILL PLAN TO EXECUTE.
UM, COUNSEL WILL NEED TO PRIORITIZE SEGMENTS FOR I IMPLEMENTATION BASED ON FACTORS LIKE PEDESTRIAN SAFETY, ACCIDENT OCCURRENCE.
UM, WE HAVE, WE HAVE SOME HEAT MAPS THAT SHOW WHERE INCIDENTS OCCUR, WHERE THERE'S BEEN CRASHES, INCIDENTS, INJURIES AND FATALITIES, AND THEN MAJOR POINTS OF CONGESTION.
UM, WE'LL LOOK AT WHAT ARE DESIGNS OF SAFE PEDESTRIAN CROSSING CROSSINGS.
HOW DOES THIS INTEGRATE INTO THE STONY, UM, PLAN THAT WAS DRAFTED EARLIER AND, UH, PRESENTED TO COUNSEL FOR THE POSITION.
UM, BUT THE GOAL TODAY IS TO GET YOUR INPUT ON THESE SEGMENTS THAT WE'RE PRESENTING AND LATER RETURN FOR FOLLOW UP AS MANY TIMES AS NEEDED WITH COUNSEL TO MAKE SURE YOU'RE COMFORTABLE TO ULTIMATELY ASK FOR YOUR APPROVAL OF THE MAJOR THOROUGHFARES CORRIDOR PLAN BY ADOPTION THROUGH RESOLUTION.
AND THAT WILL PROVIDE US THE BLUEPRINT THAT ALLOWS US TO EXECUTE WHAT I'VE TALKED ABOUT THROUGH C I P, THROUGH TALKING WITH THE COUNTY, THROUGH THE STATE.
HOW DO WE, UH, AND BASED ON THOSE CONVERSATIONS, YOU KNOW, WHAT IS OUR FINAL DISPOSITION ON ROAD OWNERSHIP AND OTHER THINGS.
SO I LOOK FORWARD TO AN ENGAGING WORKSHOP.
I KNOW I'VE TALKED TOO LONG CUZ THERE'S A LOT OF SLIDES IN THIS PRESENTATION, BUT AGAIN, IT'S A MASSIVE UNDERTAKING AND WE'RE READY TO ADVANCE THROUGH THE PRESENTATION UNLESS I GIVE THE TOWN MANAGER AN OPTION IF HE WANTS TO MAKE ANY OTHER COMMENTS.
BUT BRIAN, I'M GONNA TURN IT OVER TO YOU AND RESERVE THE RIGHT TO JUMP IN AND ADD, UM, ALONG THE WAY.
COUNSEL, MR. MANAGER BRIAN KINSMAN, SENIOR PRINCIPAL AT MKS.
YOU'VE MET MY ESTEEMED COLLEAGUES HERE IN, UM, AS JOHN HAD SAID, THEY'RE, THEY'RE BEST IN CLASS PRACTITIONERS FOR SURE.
ONE THING I WANNA DWELL UPON IN THIS OPENING SLIDE, AND AS TOWN STAFF, UH, SEAN TOUCHED UPON IT, THE TOWN STAFF HAS BEEN ABS ABSOLUTELY EXTRAORDINARY ON THIS PROJECT.
UH, CARLA AND ERIC AND SEAN, AND MARK AND BRIAN AND JENNIFER AND TAYLOR, ALL OF THEM HAVE PUT COUNTLESS HOURS INTO THIS, AND ISN'T JUST FOR SAKE OF PUTTING THEIR FINGERPRINTS ON IT, BUT ADDING VALUE TO THIS.
SO IF THERE'S, IF THERE'S, UM, UH, PAUSE FOR CREDIT, DON'T FORGET THEM.
IT ISN'T JUST THIS CONSULTANT TEAM.
UH, AGAIN, AS SEAN HAD SUGGESTED, WE WANNA REINTRODUCE THIS PROJECT.
IT'S BEEN SO LONG AGO SINCE WE INTRODUCED IT THE FIRST TIME, AND THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF, UH, WATER UNDER THE BRIDGE, AS THEY SAY.
UH, WE, WE DID, UH, BRIEF YOU ON SOME OF THE SYSTEMS EARLY ON.
WE WANNA REITERATE THAT VERY BRIEFLY TODAY.
BUT WE WANNA CONCENTRATE ON THE SEGMENTS, WHICH IS THE APPLICATION OF THOSE SYSTEMS TO GEOGRAPHIC LOCALES WITHIN THE SYSTEM AS A WHOLE, AND THEN DISCUSS THE IMPLEMENTATION PRIORITIES.
WE'VE PUT THOSE FORTH IN DRAFT FASHION BASED ON OUR SENSIBILITIES, BUT THOSE, THOSE DEMAND YOUR INPUT, UH, AS WE MOVE TO FILE.
AND LAST BUT NOT LEAST, THE PURPOSE OF THIS MEETING, AS SEAN SUGGESTED, IS TO GIVE YOU A, UH, A, A PRIMER, A, UH, I CALL IT THE TRAILER TO THE MOVIE.
UH, THE MOVIE ITSELF WILL BE IN THE PRINTED DOCUMENT THAT WILL BE FORTHCOMING TO YOU.
THIS IS VERY COMPLEX, INTERTWINED INFORMATION.
IT'S URBAN PLANNING, IT'S TRANSPORTATION, IT'S, UH, LAND USE PLANNING, IT'S ECONOMICS, IT'S PUBLIC HEALTH, SAFETY, AND WELFARE ALL ROLLED INTO ONE.
SO I APOLOGIZE IN ADVANCE FOR THE LENGTH OF THIS, BUT WE'RE TRYING
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TO CONDENSE THAT INTO A VERY BRIEF UNDERTAKING.WE LOOK FORWARD TO YOUR COMMENTS.
WE'VE GOT OUR SENSIBILITIES AND OUR RECOMMENDATIONS.
WE'RE LOOKING FOR YOUR INPUT TODAY AND MOVING FORWARD.
AND THEN WE'LL, WE'LL BE BACK IN FRONT OF YOU FOR, UH, TO ADDRESS THOSE AND APPLY FOR, UH, FOR ADOPTION.
WE'VE BEGUN, UH, THIS WITH ANALYSIS OF THE EXISTING CONDITIONS.
THAT'S KIND OF A AHA MOMENT, RIGHT? OF COURSE, WE WOULD, YOU KNOW, WE'VE, WE'VE ANALYZED CRASH DATA.
WE'VE, WE'VE LOOKED AT, UH, CRITICAL AREAS IN THE CORRIDORS THAT NEED IMPROVEMENT, UH, TARGETED SAFETY OF THE ROADWAYS, BICYCLISTS, AND PEDESTRIAN.
WE HAVE STARTED AND ENDED ALL OF THIS LOOKING THROUGH THE LENS OF SAFETY, SERIOUS INJURY, AND EVEN FATALITIES THAT HAPPEN WITHIN OUR PUBLIC, UH, DOMAIN.
AND WE DEVELOPED STANDARDS FOR INFRASTRUCTURE, MATERIALS, AND AESTHETICS.
AND THAT IS NOT TO MAKE IN MONOTONY.
IT IS ACTUALLY MEANT TO, FROM A TECHNICAL STANDPOINT, HAVE A COMMON UNDERSTANDING OF STATE-OF-THE ART, UH, INFRASTRUCTURE AND MATERIALS AND GEOMETRIES SO THAT WE CAN EXPRESS THE INDIVIDUALITY OF, OF AREAS ACROSS THE CORRIDOR OVER TIME.
THIS IS A LOT OF PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY IN, UH, UH, AND, AND LINEAR FEET OF TRAIL AND STREET.
SO I'LL DESCRIBE THIS IN GENERAL TERMS AS WE GET INTO THIS, UH, AND UNDERSTAND EXACTLY THE CONFINES OF IT.
AGAIN, WE SPOKE TO SYSTEMS BEFORE.
THAT'S THE TECHNICAL ASPECTS OF, OF, UH, WHAT WE APPLY TO THE QUARTERS OF ITSELF.
LANDSCAPE AND AESTHETICS, SIGNAGE, BRANDING, PUBLIC ART, UM, ROADWAYS, UH, INTERSECTIONS.
THOSE ARE, ARE BOTH CROSS INTERSECTIONS, UH, SLIP LANES AND ALSO ROUNDABOUTS PATHWAYS FOR BOTH PEDESTRIANS AND, UH, AND BICYCLISTS.
THAT TRANSIT WILL HELP US IN A NUMBER OF ISSUES THAT WE FACE AS AN ISLAND.
AND TO THE SEGMENTS, AGAIN, APPLYING THOSE SYSTEMS TO THOSE SEGMENTS.
THERE ARE EIGHT DIFFERENT SEGMENTS OR REACHES OF THE PARKWAY ITSELF.
WE'VE BROKEN IT DOWN INTO GEOGRAPHIC AREAS BASED, UH, LARGELY ON THE, UM, ON THE, THE, THE FEEL OF THE CORRIDORS, THE GEOMETRY OF THE CORRIDORS, THE ADJACENT LAND USE, THE, THE NEIGHBORHOODS THAT ARE ADJACENT.
THERE ARE FOUR, I'M SORRY, THERE ARE FOUR SEGMENTS THERE AS WELL.
THAT INCLUDES, UH, UH, PALMETTO BAY SEA, PINE CIRCLE, AND, UH, POPE AVENUE AND PORTIONS OF FOREST BEACHES, AND THEN THE CROSS ISLAND REGION.
AND THEN LASTLY, THE IMPLEMENTATION.
TO SEAN'S POINT, UH, THIS IS A VERY COMPLEX ISSUE THAT LEADS TO CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS.
HOW DO WE TAKE THAT DOWN OVER TIME? WHAT ARE THE PRIORITIES? WHERE'S THE FUNDING COME FROM? HOW DO WE THAT IN AT CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS? BUT ALL THREE OF THESE, THESE SECTIONS, THEY'RE NOT CHAPTERS, THEY'RE SECTIONS LEAD TO THIS COMPREHENSIVE DOCUMENT.
UH, AGAIN, AS SHAUNA MENTIONED, UH, WE'VE GOT, WE'VE GOT THESE WONDERFUL RIGHT, UH, WORLD CLASS PRACTITIONERS ASSISTING US HERE.
WE'VE LOOKED AT THE PLANS THAT YOU'VE DONE BEFORE.
WE'VE LOOKED AT NATIONAL STANDARDS.
WE'VE LOOKED AT SMART GROWTH AMERICA AND VISION ZERO AS GUIDANCE AS WELL.
WE DON'T HAVE THE CORNER MARKET ON ALL THE GOOD IDEAS.
THERE'S A LOT OF GOOD IDEAS OUT THERE, AND WE'RE TAKING ADVANTAGE OF THEM POSSIBLE.
SO WE'RE LEARNING FROM WHAT OTHERS HAVE DONE AND WHAT WE'VE DONE ON THIS ISLAND IN THE PAST.
AS I MENTIONED, THIS IS A LOT OF ROADWAY AND A LOT OF FOLKS USING IT ON A DAILY BASIS.
WE KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT INFLOW ONTO THE, UH, INTO OUR COMMUNITY ON A DAILY BASIS.
AND, UH, LESS THAN HALF OF THAT OUTFLOW.
WE'VE GOT 72 MILES OF PUBLIC PATHWAYS.
WE'VE, WE'VE BEEN AT THE FOREFRONT OF A TRAIL SYSTEM NATIONALLY IN THE YEARS PAST.
WE, WE NEED TO AUGMENT THAT AND GET BACK TO THAT POINT OF, UH, AND THEN THE TROLLEY NOT TO BE, NOT TO BE, UM, UH, UH, DISCOUNTED.
WE'VE DONE A LOT WITH OUR TROLLEY SYSTEM AND OUR TRANSIT SYSTEM, UH, DOES A LOT OF PUBLIC GOOD FOR NOT MUCH RESOURCES IN ORGANIZATION.
WE THINK THERE'S, THAT'S A DIAMOND IN THE ROUGH THAT CAN HELP IN A LOT OF ISSUES.
SO, AS I SAID BEFORE, WE'VE STARTED WITH SAFETY.
THIS IS CRASH DATA, A HEAT MAP AT MOST, AT INTERSECTIONS AND AT, UH, MID-BLOCK CROSSINGS THAT INDICATE WHERE WE'VE HAD, UH, BICYCLE PEDESTRIAN AUTOMOBILE CONFLICTS, UM, WHERE WE'VE HAD FATALITIES, GOD FORBID, AND WHERE WE'VE HAD MAJOR
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ACCIDENTS.SO THOSE ARE REALLY DRIVEN WHERE WE THINK THE, UH, PRIORITIES LIE IN MEDIA.
WE'VE TALKED WITH A NUMBER OF SAMPLES, RIGHT? FRANK, YOU GO BACK TO THAT SLIDE, IF YOU DON'T MIND.
I JUST WANNA POINT OUT, UM, YOU KNOW, WE TALK ABOUT ONLY HAVING 3% OF ROADS OWNED BY THE TOWN.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE, THE SAFETY SLIDE HERE, WHERE CRASHES INCIDENTS ARE HAPPENING HAPPENING, UM, THEY'RE REALLY NOT ON TOWN OWNED ROADS.
SO THE ABILITY TO HAVE A TREATMENT THAT'S SAFER AND INFLUENCED WHAT, WHAT D O T AND THE COUNTY ALLOW IS GONNA BE CRITICAL IN, IN MAKING IMPROVEMENTS.
UM, WE NEED TO CHANGE IF WE'RE GONNA IMPROVE THESE STATISTICS.
AND THAT'S WHAT THIS PLAN AIMS TO PROVIDE US THE, THE INFORMATION NEEDED TO PUSH THOSE CHANGES.
STAKEHOLDER INVOLVEMENT, UH, THE PLAN DEVELOPMENTS, NEIGHBORHOOD REPRESENTATIVES, TRANSIT, PUBLIC SAFETY, UTILITY FOLKS, UH, RETAIL AND THE MAJOR, UH, LANDOWNERS HAVE ALL BEEN CONSULTED AND ASKED FOR THEIR FEELINGS AND OPINIONS.
UH, QUITE FRANKLY, THEY ALIGN WITH OUR INTUITION AS WE'VE APPROACHED THIS.
WE NEED TO UPDATE THE PATHWAY SYSTEM, FILL IN THE BLANKS AS IT WERE, AND IMPROVE THE STANDARDS FUNCTIONALITY OF INTERSECTIONS.
CREATE A CONSISTENT AESTHETIC THAT IS NOT A MONOTONOUS AESTHETIC, THAT IS A CONSISTENT QUALITY OF AESTHETIC THAT MAY BE EXPRESSED DIFFERENTLY.
SEGMENT TO SEGMENT, PLACE TO PLACE, UH, DEVELOP A UNIFORM SIGNAGE AND WAYFINDING SYSTEM.
UH, THERE MAY BE TOO MANY SIGNS.
THERE MAY BE NOT ENOUGH SIGNS, BUT SIGNAGE AS A WHOLE NEEDS TO BE LOOKED AT COMPREHENSIVELY PALM TRAFFIC AND REDUCED SPEEDS.
ACTUAL SPEED IS SOMETHING ELSE AS OUR LAW ENFORCEMENT MAY TELL.
UH, AND, AND REDUCE, UH, THE VEHICLE TRAFFIC DEMAND.
I E THE TRANSIT SYSTEM, I E BICYCLISTS AND PEDESTRIANS.
HOW CAN WE TAKE AUTOMOBILES OFF THE STREETS AND PUT IT INTO, UH, SO, UH, HIGHLIGHT OF THE SYSTEMS THAT YOU HAVE SEEN BEFORE.
AGAIN, IT'S LANDSCAPE, ROADWAY, INTERSECTIONS, SIGNAGE, TRANSIT, AND PATHWAYS.
UM, THAT WAS PROBABLY TOO QUICK FOR YOU ALL, BUT, UM, WE HAVE, UH, IN THE COMPENDIUM DOCUMENT, YOU'LL SEE A LOT OF DETAIL TO ALL OF THAT, AGAIN, WHERE WE'RE ESTABLISHING MINIMUM STANDARDS, DIRECTIVES AS TO WHAT GOES WHERE, UH, TO BE USED AS FUTURE DESIGN TAKES PLACE IN THE ENGINEERING AND INTO CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS.
AND BRIAN, IF I CAN POINT OUT, UM, WE, WE DELIVERED COUNSEL A PRESENTATION, HAD A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL TO REMIND THEM OF THE SYSTEM DISCUSSIONS THAT WE, WE HAD IN MARCH FOR THE PURPOSE OF THIS MEETING, TRYING TO ADVANCE INTO THE, UH, SEGMENTS AND THEN RECOMMENDATIONS.
SO, UM, THE PRESENTATION THAT YOU HAD PREVIOUSLY PROVIDES MORE CONTEXT ON THIS.
HAPPY TO ANSWER ANYBODY'S DETAIL QUESTIONS ABOUT ANY OF THAT TODAY, OR LATTER PARTS.
DON'T, DON'T MEAN TO SCHEDULE THAT.
IF WE HAVE QUESTIONS AS WE GO ALONG, OR HOW YOU YEAH, I THINK SINCE IT'S, UM, SO INTENSIVE THAT, THAT, YOU KNOW, ASK YOU SOME OF THE QUESTIONS AS WE HIT THOSE CERTAIN HIGHLIGHTS IS APPROPRIATE.
UM, MOSTLY A COMMENT OR COMING AT A QUESTION.
AND THAT IS IF THE MARCH THREE PRESENTATION, WE HAD A DOCUMENT OF ABOUT 113 PAGES, UM, WHICH INCLUDED THIS PART THAT YOU'RE SUMMARIZING NOW.
UM, AND NOW WE HAVE A DOCUMENT OF ABOUT 220 PAGES.
MY UNDERSTANDING THAT WE ARE TO CONSIDER ALL OF THAT TOGETHER, TOTALING ABOUT 233 PAGES OF PRESENTATION.
SO WE DON'T SET ASIDE WHAT YOU SHOWED US BEFORE ON SYSTEMS, REMEMBER THAT EXTENT THAT WE YEAH, THAT THAT'S CORRECT.
WE CAPTURED INPUT ON THE SYSTEMS BACK IN MARCH, AND WE HAVE NOT LOST TRACK OF THAT INFORMATION.
UM, NOW MOVING INTO THE SEGMENTS, WE'D LIKE TO HEAR YOUR THOUGHTS, UH, DISCUSSION.
WE'LL HAVE SOME OPTIONS THAT WE'RE GONNA ASK YOU TO EVALUATE AND, AND COMMENT ON IF YOU'RE COMFORTABLE TODAY.
UH, BUT ULTIMATELY WE'LL BRING THE WHOLE PLAN BACK, UH, FOR ADOPTION.
EACH INDIVIDUAL SEGMENT WILL MAKE SENSE WHEN, WHEN BROUGHT TOGETHER AS, AS A FULL DOCUMENT.
SO I, I APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENTS ON THE SYSTEM.
JOHN TOUCHED ON THIS A MOMENT AGO.
YOU ARE PRESENTING OPTIONS THAT MAY BE IMPLEMENTABLE DEPENDING ON S C D O T OR THESE ARE SUGGESTIONS THAT S C D O T WHO WOULD ADOPT.
DO YOU UNDERSTAND MY QUESTION? I DO.
I'M GONNA LET J GUY JUMP JUMP IN HERE.
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OF OPTIONS BASED ON, UM, EXPERTISE.WE'VE CERTAINLY HAVE HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH S C D O T ABOUT THOSE OPTIONS.
ALL OF THAT NEEDS TO THEN MOVE INTO, ULTIMATELY AS A CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECT INTO PRELIMINARY ENGINEERING, WHERE THERE'S A LOT MORE CONVERSATION WITH D O T AND COUNTING AND THEN INTO FINAL DESIGN AND DOCUMENTATION AND BID BILL.
SO IT HAS BEEN VETTED, UM, I WON'T SAY IT'S BEEN APPROVED BY D O T, BUT IT'S BEEN VETTED AND CONVERSED, UH, WITH THEM.
JAY GOT, PLEASE ADD TO THAT IF YOU CAN.
ALL OF THE OPTIONS ARE FEASIBLE OPTIONS WITH THAT C D O T.
THEY FIT THE RDM ROADWAY DESIGN MANUAL, AND THEY ARE EITHER IMPLEMENTED ELSEWHERE IN THE STATE OR IN ADJACENT STATES THAT S C D O T LOOKS TO FOR DIRECTION GUIDANCE AS A PARTNER STATE.
SO WE AREN'T ESTABLISHING A NEGOTIATING DOCUMENT WITH S C D O T.
WE'RE SAYING THAT THESE THINGS CAN BE IMPLEMENTED, AS YOU SUGGESTED.
WHERE THE ACQUISITION, UH, UH, BY THE TOWN OF OWNERSHIP OF THESE ROADS BE A POSSIBLE AND PERHAPS, UH, LAST RESORT IT WILL BEEN OF NON COOPERATION.
IT GIVES YOU THE POWER TO CONTROL THE ROADWAYS.
UM, AGAIN, THAT COMES WITH ADDITIONAL COSTS, UM, AND EXPENSE TO TOWN.
BUT YOU'RE THE ULTIMATE AUTHORITY IF YOU, THE ROAD.
WE'RE, WE'RE LOOKING TO D O T AS A PARTNER, NOT AS A, AS AN HILTON HEAD.
AND THE OTHER PLACE IN SOUTH CAROLINA.
UH, POINT WELL TAKEN NOW TO THE SEGMENTS.
AGAIN, THESE ARE THE GEOGRAPHIC REACHES OR BREAKDOWN OF, OF THE LARGER GEOGRAPHY, WHICH IS WHAT I THINK IS THE BACKBONE OF OUR ROADWAY SKELETON, WILLIAM HILTON PARKWAY.
IT HAS, UH, SEGMENT ONE IS FROM SPANISH WELLS TO JARVIS PARK.
UH, SEGMENT TWO IS WILBORN TO, UH, BEACH CITY ROAD, INCLUDING MAIN STREET.
UH, THREE IS BEACH CITY ROAD TO DILLON.
ESSENTIALLY FOUR IS THROUGH THE MID ISLAND.
FIELD FIVE IS MATTHEWS FOLLY FIELD DOWN TO SHELTER COVE LANE SIX, THE STRAIGHTAWAY, AS I CALL IT, UH, THE SHELTER COVE LANE DOWN TO KING NEPTUNE.
THE SECOND STRAIGHTAWAY IS, UM, KING NEPTUNE DOWN TO SHIPYARD INTO WEXFORD, AND THEN IT'S INTO THE WEXFORD DRIVE TO SEE PINE CIRCLE.
SO WE'VE BROKEN THAT DOWN INTO THESE GEOGRAPHIC AREAS JUST LARGELY TO UNDERSTAND IT.
EACH OF THE CONDITIONS, THE CONDITIONS WITHIN EACH OF THESE GEOGRAPHIES CAN VARY FOR SURE.
IF I COULD, UM, LIST THESE ONE THROUGH SIX OR SEVEN HERE.
IS THAT THE PRIORITY YOU'RE GIVING THEM OR IS THAT JUST NO, SIR.
GEOGRAPHIC NORTH, SOUTH, IT'S NOT A PRIORITY AT ALL.
IT'S A, IT'S A WAY OF TAKING SOMETHING LARGE AND BREAKING IT DOWN IN INCREMENTAL PIECES SO WE CAN UNDERSTAND IT INTIMATELY.
UH, A COUPLE OF THOSE ARE IN FACT, PRIORITY AREAS JUST BASED ON THAT PREVIOUS, UH, PREVIOUSLY SHOWN HEAT MAP OF THE ACCIDENTS IN THE FATALITIES.
WE NEED REST OF THE SAFETY ISSUES AS A FIRST TIME.
CAN YOU GO BACK TO THAT PREVIOUS SLIDE WHERE YOU'RE SHOWING THE SEGMENT
IT HELPS TO LOCATE THEM WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT 'EM.
YOU SOUTH ISLAND, UH, IS PALMETTO BAY FROM HELMSMAN OR THE, THE BASE OF THE CROSS ISLAND, UH, BRIDGE DOWN TO C PINE CIRCLE.
IT ALSO INCLUDES ARROW ROAD, ARCHER TARGET, THE, THE SUPPORT ROAD SYSTEM TO PALMETTO BAY, UH, C PINE CIRCLE ITSELF AND THE ROADWAY SYSTEM ABOUT IT.
RELIEF VALVES, UH, POPE AVENUE TO
THIS ALSO INCLUDES LAGOON AS WELL.
LAGOON ROAD, SECTION OF LAGOON TO, UH, TO ETH.
AND THEN, UH, NORTH, NORTH AND SOUTH FOR BEACHES FOR, UH, A CERTAIN EXTENT AS THOSE STRETCHES INFLUENCE, UH, AND ARE AFFECTED BY CONEY CIRCLE.
THEN THE CROSS ISLAND PARKWAY.
UH, AS WE KNOW, THE TOOL TOLL BOOTHS HAVE RECENTLY COME DOWN.
REP PAVED, UH, AND, AND MODESTY RENOVATED CORRIDOR HAS BEEN PUT IN PLACE.
WE NEED SOME BICYCLE, UM, AND PEDESTRIAN ACCESS.
SO THAT IS FROM THE, THE BASE OF THE,
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THE BRIDGE, UH, OUT TO THE, UH, 2 78, THE PARKWAY.IT ALSO INCLUDES THE FRAZIER BRIDGE ITSELF AND THE APPROACHES AS, THERE'S A LOT OF FOLKS, THERE'S SOME FOLKS WHO USE THAT BRIDGE FOR PEDESTRIAN AND BICYCLE ACTIVITY.
SO THE PRIORITIZATION OF THAT, AGAIN, SAFETY CONNECTIVITY.
WE'VE GOTTA MAKE SURE THAT ALL MODES OF TRAFFIC CAN GET TO ALL PLACES THROUGH THIS BACKBONE, WHICH LEADS TO THE SKELETON OF THE, OF THE PUBLIC DOMAIN OF THE ISLAND.
NOT ALL CORRIDORS ARE THE SAME.
NOT ALL PARTS OF THE ISLAND ARE THE SAME.
WE'RE ALWAYS, ALWAYS GIVING DEFERENCE TO THE NATURAL ENVIRONMENT OF THE ISLAND.
NOT JUST TO PROTECT IT, BUT IN FACT IN MANY PLACES, TO RESTORE AND TO ENHANCE IT CUZ IT HAS BEEN DAMAGED AND IT IS UNDER STRESS LIKE ANY OTHER NATURAL ENVIRONMENT THAT, UH, PERCEIVES YOU FOR THE SAFETY.
UH, GO TO THOSE HIGH CRASH AREAS AND DEAL WITH THEM.
NEW CONTROLS AND CONFIGURATIONS AT INTERSECTIONS TO MAKE THEM SAFER.
ACCESS MANAGEMENT, WHICH MEANS REDUCING THOSE LEFT TURN MOTIONS OUT ONTO ARTERIALS, TURN LANE IMPROVEMENTS, UH, IMPROVEMENTS OF UNSIGNED MID-BLOCK CROSSINGS, PEDESTRIAN CROSSINGS, REDUCTION OF THOSE CONFLICT POINTS.
CONNECTIVITY IS FILL THE GAPS IN THE PATHWAY.
AS WONDERFUL AS OUR PATHWAY SYSTEM IS, IT DOESN'T CONNECT EVERY PLACE TO EVERY PLACE.
SO WE DO NEED TO FILL IN THE BLANKS, AS IT WERE.
WE NEED TO CREATE NEW NEIGHBORHOOD CONNECTIONS, NOT JUST TO THE PLANNED DEVELOPMENTS, BUT TO THE NEIGHBORHOODS THAT ARE PART OF, OF TOWN.
UM, TOWN JURISDICTION, CONNECTIONS TO NEIGHBORHOODS THAT ARE SEPARATED BY ROADWAYS.
HOW DO WE MAKE THOSE CROSSING SAFE SO I CAN GET FROM ONE SIDE OF MY NEIGHBORHOOD TO THE OTHER SIDE OF MY NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, THROUGH SAFE MEANS AND REDUCE THOSE PATHWAY CONFLICTS.
PLACEMAKING, AGAIN, IS ALWAYS TO IMPROVE THE ISLAND CHARACTER BUILT HEAD ISLAND IS A VERY, VERY SPECIAL PLACE.
CULTURALLY, HISTORICALLY, ENVIRONMENTALLY.
HOW DO WE, UH, HOW DO WE IMPROVE AND ADVANCE THAT SIGNATURE CORRIDORS WITHIN A STREET NETWORK, UH, WILL, MAY WANT TO BE A VERY SPECIAL PLACE.
LET'S CREATE A SPECIAL PLACE THROUGH, UH, THROUGH SOME OF OUR STANDARDS.
UM, SIGNIFICANT AESTHETIC AND CHARACTER IMPROVEMENTS WHERE WE CAN, WE CAN SATISFY A SAFETY MEASURE AND ALSO DO IT IN AN AESTHETICALLY PLEASING WAY.
THOSE TWO ARE NOT MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE.
IT JUST TAKES A LITTLE BIT MORE BRAIN DAMAGE FROM TIME TO TIME WHEN WE'RE INTO.
AND THEN, UH, MEDIAN RECOMMENDATIONS TO ENHANCE THE AESTHETIC.
HOW DO WE REDUCE THE, UH, UH, THE, THE, THE DESIRE FOR, UM, INCREASED TRAFFIC SPEEDS WITH A MORE ROBUST MEDIUMS, NOT ONLY TO SLOW DOWN TRAFFIC, BUT TO INCREASE FOR THE PRIORITIZATION OF COUNCILMAN STANFORD.
TO YOUR POINT, UM, WE HAVE PRIORITIZED PARKWAY INTO THREE SIGNIFICANT SEGMENTS THAT NEEDS SOME IMPROVEMENTS AS A PRIORITY IN OUR OPINIONS.
UH, PALMETTO BAY ROAD AND ARROW SEED, PINE CIRCLE TO BE SURE.
AND THEN POPE AVENUE, ESPECIALLY AT THIS TIME OF YEAR, AS YOU KNOW, POPE AVENUE IS A FAIRLY
ALL RIGHT, GO BACK TO THAT SLIDE AND STOP THERE FOR A MOMENT FOR QUESTION.
SO, UM, THIS IS PRIORITIZATION THAT THE TEAM HAS DEVELOPED, UM, AND IT MIGHT BE HELPFUL TO REVISIT THIS AFTER WE, AFTER THE COUNCIL LOOKS AT ALL THESE SEGMENT IMPROVEMENTS.
UM, CUZ I HAVE A FEW NOTES AND QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT PRIORITIZATION, BUT I THINK IT MIGHT BE MORE HELPFUL TO TALK ABOUT THOSE AS WE GO THROUGH.
THIS IS, THIS IS ALL FIRST BLUSH, OUR RECOMMENDATIONS, SANDS YOUR INPUT.
WE LOOK FORWARD TO HAVING YOUR INPUT AGAIN TODAY.
AND BRIAN, LOOKING FORWARD, IF YOU DON'T, IF YOU DON'T MIND, I'M GONNA JUMP IN FOR A SECOND.
UM, YOU KNOW, THE TERM PRIORITY SEGMENTS HERE IS PROBABLY NOT ACCURATE.
UM, THESE ARE SEGMENTS THAT COUNCIL ASKED US TO STUDY IN DETAIL, UM, AND TO MAKE SURE THAT WE BROUGHT THESE FORWARD FOR DISCUSSION.
IT'S UP TO TOWN COUNCIL ULTIMATELY TO TELL US WHAT THE PRIORITY SEGMENTS ARE.
UM, BUT WE'VE EVALUATED THESE IN DETAIL AND HAVE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WE'LL COVER HERE SHORTLY.
UM, SOME ARE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT ARE SORT OF A SINGLE TREATMENT APPLICATION OF THE, OF THE SYSTEMS, AND THEN SOME HAVE OPTIONS THAT WE WOULD ASK FOR SOME INPUT ON.
UM, BUT YEAH, I WANNA MAKE THAT CLARIFICATION.
THESE ARE FIRST, FIRST AREAS ASKED TO REALLY TAKE A DEEP DIVE INTO, AND THAT'S WHAT WE'VE DONE.
SEAN, DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA IF YOU TAKE THESE SEGMENTS FOR A PERIOD OF TIME, INVEST IN THEM TO MAKE THOSE IMPROVEMENTS? WHAT TIME PERIOD THAT
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MIGHT BE? UM, I, I DON'T KNOW.I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH ALL OF IT WOULD COST, UM, LET ALONE THE COMPETING PRO PROJECTS AND PRIORITIES THAT WE, UM, I KNOW THAT IF WE PICK A FEW AND THERE'S A, AND THERE'S SOME AT THE END OF THIS THAT WE KNOW WE CAN ADVANCE IN THE SHORTER TERM.
UM, I I THINK WE CAN MAKE A DIFFERENCE.
UM, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR THE COUNCIL AND ALSO THE PUBLIC TO UNDERSTAND EXPECTATIONS AND COMMITMENT KIND OF A PROJECT.
YEAH, I THINK ONCE WE GET INPUT ON THESE SEGMENTS, UM, AND THEN THE, THE PLAN, WE'LL BE ABLE TO, BEFORE ADOPTION, HAVE MORE DETAIL ON THE IMPLEMENTATION AND HOW LONG THAT MIGHT TAKE TO, TO IMPLEMENT THESE, THESE Q I THINK IT'S ALSO IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND, UH, WHAT THE TIMEFRAME IS WITH D O T FOR APPROVAL PROCESS AND EVERYTHING ELSE IS.
SO, SO WE CAN DETERMINE THAT TIMEFRAME CAUSE THAT'S GONNA BE A, A DRIVER AS WELL.
I'M CERTAIN WHILE WE'RE ON THE TOPIC, UM, CAUSE WE'VE HAD THIS DISCUSSION, UM, BEFORE, UH, AS PLANNED EARLIER THIS YEAR IN THIS TYPE OF WORKSHOP SETTING, THINK IT WAS SOMEWHAT OF A CONSENSUS AMONG COUNCIL THAT, UH, W H P SEGMENT THREE, I THINK, WHICH IS THE NORTHRIDGE AREA, UM, IS ABSOLUTELY A PRIORITY CAUSE OF THE LEVEL OF FATALITIES THAT HAVE HAPPENED IN THAT AREA.
UM, SO I GUESS I'M, I'M SUGGESTING THAT AS WE MOVE FORWARD IN THIS PROCESS, BECAUSE IT IS VERY COMPREHENSIVE, UM, THERE'S A LOT OF MOVING PIECES HERE, OF COURSE, WE'VE GOT TO ADHERE TO, UH, OTHER SCHEDULES LIKE S C D O T AND THAT SORT OF THING, UM, THAT WE CALL THAT SECTION OUT MOVING FORWARD AS THE PRIORITIES.
UM, SO THAT WE KNOW WE ARE COMMITTED TO GETTING THAT DONE BEFORE SOMEONE ELSE GETS KILLED.
UM, I'M MAKING THAT SUGGESTION TO ALL OF COUNCIL, UM, AND IT WOULD STAFF THAT DIRECTIVE.
I, I WOULD AGREE WITH ALEX ON THAT POINT, BUT I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO RAISE, UH, CONSIDER AND THE FACT THAT SOME OF THESE PROJECTS MAY TAKE YEARS, FIND SOME INTERIM SOLUTIONS.
SO WITH THE, THE MOST CONVENIENT PROBLEMS THAT WE HAD, NOT JUST RELY SOLELY ON WHAT'S GONNA BE DONE IN TWO OR THREE OR FOUR YEARS.
I, I, I WOULD AGREE WITH THAT.
UM, I JUST WANTED TO INTERJECT IN, IN TERMS OF SOMETHING THAT TALKED ABOUT BEFORE IN OTHER AREAS THAT PART OF THIS CONVERSATION, UM, THAT I'D LIKE TO HAVE IS INFORMATION ON, UM, THE COSTS TO ACQUIRE THE ROADS IN OUR TOWN.
I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR HILTON HEAD TO OWN OUR ROADS AS MANY OF THEM AS WE CAN SO THAT WE CAN ENVIRONMENT, UM, THAT BENEFITS OUR COMMUNITY.
SO PART OF THAT DISCUSSION, I'D LIKE TO UNDERSTAND THE COST AND THE RELATED ISSUES ARE TO DOING THAT BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY IT'S, IT'S ALREADY TAKING PLACE.
IT'S INTEGRAL TO WHAT WE CAN DO, HOW LONG IT TAKES AND THE BENEFIT, THE ULTIMATE BENEFIT THAT COMES FROM IT.
SO I, I CAN SEE THE BENEFIT OF THE TOWN ACQUIRING THESE ROADWAYS, UH, FROM THAT POINT OF VIEW.
BUT MY BIG CONCERN HERE IS THAT WE'RE NOT ONLY TAKING ON OWNERSHIP OR TAKING ON MAINTENANCE, AND THAT'S GONNA BE AN ENORMOUS EXPENSE, AND I'M NOT PREPARED TO ACCEPT THAT AT THIS POINT, BUT I'D LIKE TO KNOW WHAT THOSE COSTS ARE BEFORE I CAN MAKE THAT CONCLUSION.
MARK, I THINK IT'S ALL BEEN SAID.
I JUST, I JUST WANNA REALLY MAKE SURE WE, WE HIT THE POINT.
I THINK SEAN SAID IT WELL ALREADY, BUT YOU, YOU ASKED ABOUT PRIORITIZATION.
MR. BROWN BRINGS UP A A GREAT POINT THAT WE'VE BEEN ASKED TO LOOK AT THAT WILLIAM HILTON PARKWAY, SEGMENT THREE, WE, WE MARRIED THAT PRIORITY WITH YOUR THOUGHTS, WITH THE COMMUNITY THOUGHTS AS WELL AS THE, THE ACCIDENT DATA YOU SAW IN THE, ON THE HEAT MAP, BUT THE PRIORITIZATION'S REALLY BUILT AROUND YOUR COMMITMENT AND FUNDING, RIGHT? AND SO ULTIMATELY, THE WORK PRODUCT OF WHAT WE'RE WORKING ON HERE DOES TWO THINGS.
IT BUILDS A PROJECT LIST AND IT GIVES US DIRECTION ON POLICY, RIGHT? POLICY BEING OWNER ROAD OR NOT.
OWNER ROAD 45 MILES AN HOUR OR LESS STRIPING PATTERNS.
ALL OF THOSE ARE POLICY DECISIONS, BUT ULTIMATELY YOU BUILD THAT PROJECT LIST AND THAT PROJECT LIST, ONCE WE HAVE IT, WE GO TRY TO FUND IT RIGHT THROUGH GRANTS THROUGH 1 CENT SALES TAX, WHICH COULD BE NEXT YEAR THROUGH OUR OWN CAPITAL PROJECT FUNDS AND SO ON SO FORTH.
SO REALLY WHAT WE'RE DOING IS HIGH LEVEL TRYING TO BUILD A PROJECT LIST, GETTING SOME DIRECTION ON POLICY, AND I DO SUGGEST THAT IF WE'RE CONSIDERING OWNERSHIP OF RHODES, WE TALK WITH D O T ABOUT IT AND SEE IF WE CAN ACCOMPLISH
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WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH WITH IT, THEIR NETWORK.BUT IF WE CAN'T, THEN I BRING THOSE PROBLEMS TO YOU WITH SOME PROPOSED SOLUTIONS, UM, ON A PRIORITY BY PRIORITY BASIS.
IF I COULD, I, I, I WANNA SECOND WHAT MR. BROWN IS SAYING.
WE TALKED ABOUT, UH, THAT PARTICULAR SECTION AT OUR JANUARY WORKSHOP.
YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT WAS EVEN SO BOLD IN MARCH TO SAY, IF THERE CAN BE AN INTERIM SOLUTION AT NORTH FORK AND, AND IF IT'S PLANTING IN THE MEDIAN, I'LL HAUL THOSE PLANTS OUT TO THE MIDDLE OF THE, SO, SO WHEN YOU COME TO THAT SEGMENT, IF THERE IS AN INTERIM SOLUTION, WHICH IS EASILY DOABLE, PLEASE TELL US THAT.
SO I JUST, I JUST WANNA MAKE IT A GENERAL STATEMENT.
UM, WHILE THIS IS A 50,000 FOOT OVERVIEW, IT'S, IT'S NOT UNDER THE MINUTIAE.
IT'S NOT ABOUT THE PRIORITIZATION, UNDERSTANDING THAT WE'VE GOT SOME AREAS THAT ARE HIGH PRIORITIES AND WE KNOW THAT, UM, I WOULD, I WOULD SUGGEST THAT AS WE MOVE FORWARD AND WE PROVIDE OUR NOTES TO MARK IN THE, IN THE, IN THE MK SK THAT WE IDENTIFY THOSE THINGS THERE, UM, IT IS A VERY LONG PRESENTATION.
WE'LL MAKE CERTAIN THAT WE CONTINUALLY MOVE THROUGH THIS AND WE GET TO WHERE WE NEED TO BE.
SO WE UNDERSTAND THE PUBLIC UNDERSTANDS WHAT IS BEING LOOKED AT HOLISTICALLY, UM, THROUGHOUT THAT CORRIDOR.
UH, CAN I JUST HAVE ONE THING ABOUT PRIORITIZATION BEFORE WE JUMP AWAY FROM THAT SLIDE? UM, WE DID DO A RANKING SYSTEM OF ALL OF THE IMPROVEMENTS MADE.
UM, AND IN THE, IN THE LARGER DOCUMENT, YOU'LL HAVE THAT IN THERE AS A REFERENCE.
AND THESE ARE THE SEGMENTS, UM, THAT GREATLY, THAT HAD THE MOST BENEFIT WITH THE IMPLEMENTATIONS THAT, SO THAT, THAT IS HOW THESE, UH, SIX OR SO WERE DEVELOPED, NOT, NOT MY PERSONAL.
SO TRAVEL SPEEDS BEING ONE OF THOSE SAFETY ISSUES.
UM, WE, WE'VE MAKING RECOMMENDATIONS, AS YOU SEE RISE IN THE LOWER RIGHT OF, UH, SOME PROPOSED SPEED LIMIT CHANGES.
PARKWAY NOW IS CONSISTENTLY, UH, AND LARGELY 45 MILES AN HOUR.
WE THINK THERE ARE SEGMENTS OF THAT THAT CAN AND SHOULD BE SLOWED DOWN, UH, ESPECIALLY THROUGH THE STRAIGHTAWAYS, AS I CALL THEM, UH, IN AN EFFORT JUST TO GIVE PEOPLE, UH, A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME TO RESPOND TO, UH, HAPPENING AROUND THEM.
I'M GONNA LET, UH, JONATHAN GUY SPEAK TO SOME OF THE, AND ADDIE TO SPEAK TO SOME OF THE DETAIL OF THIS.
BUT THIS IS, UH, THIS, UH, SEGMENT TWO, WHICH WE'RE PROPOSING IN NO PARTICULAR ORDER FOR THIS, UH, THE IDEA OF PROPOSED PATHWAYS INTERSECTIONS.
ALL OF THE, UH, SIGNALIZE INTERSECTIONS NEED TO HAVE FOUR CORNER PEDESTRIAN CROSSINGS, INCLUDING PEMBROKE AS WELL, INCLUDING PEMBROKE, UH, APOLOGIES FOR THE SECOND SQUARE FROM THE LEFT OF NOT BEING COLOR CODED.
IT TOO NEEDS TO HAVE BOX RIGHT TURN TRAFFIC CALMING SO THAT WE CAN AUTOMOBILES AND PEOPLE, UH, SIMPLY COMPLETE THE PATHWAY ALONG THE, UH, THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE PARKWAY FOR BICYCLISTS AND PEDESTRIANS, UH, ELIMINATE THE MID, ELIMINATE THE MID-BLOCK CROSSING AT CENTRAL AVENUE, CAUSING THOSE PEDESTRIANS THEN TO MOVE TO CROSSWALK AND SIGNALIZE INTERSECTIONS FOR SAFER.
CROSS MAIN STREET IS PART AND PARCEL OF, OF THIS, UM, AND DESIGN HAPPENING ON THE PARK ON THIS MAIN STREET PORTION ITSELF, PUBLIC AND PRIVATE, WHICH THROUGH SOME SEGMENTS THERE AGAIN, WE'VE BROKEN THIS DOWN INTO INCREMENTAL PIECES AND SHOW CROSS SECTIONS OF WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE.
PROVIDING INTENTIONAL PATHWAYS ON BOTH SIDES OF THE STREET, UH, PEDESTRIAN BUFFER BETWEEN THE VEHICULAR WAY, PUTTING BIKE LANES ON THE, UH, ON THE STREET ITSELF.
WE'VE GOT A, A VIDEO WE'RE ABOUT TO SHOW YOU THAT EXPRESSES THIS IN THREE DIMENSIONS.
SO, UH, I PERSONALLY DON'T READ SECTIONS WELL, BUT THREE DIMENSIONAL IMAGES.
UH, I I DO THIS, UH, IN MANY CASES REQUIRES SOME EASEMENT TO BE TAKEN OUTSIDE OF THE RIGHT OF WAY.
NEXT SEGMENT GOING TO WHOOPING CRANE IS A, A WIDER CONCRETE SIDEWALK AND LIVES, AGAIN, PARTIALLY WITHIN A BICYCLIST, LARGELY ON THE STREET, UH, OR DARE I SAY THE COMMERCIAL AREA OF MAIN STREET.
SO MORE SIDEWALK MALL, MORE MULTI-USE OF THE SIDEWALK IS, IS IMPORTANT.
UM, MOVING TO THE SOUTH OF WHOOPING CRANE, ANOTHER SECTION
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SHOWING THE, UH, HOTTEST MEDIAN PLANTED TWO LANES OF TRAFFIC IN ONE DIRECTION.BICYCLIST, AND AGAIN, SIDEWALK CIRCLE ITSELF WE'RE, WE'RE, UH, WE'RE RECOMMENDING WE, WE PLACE A CIRCLE AT WILBORN AND MAIN STREET.
THAT IS A DISJOINTED INTERSECTION AS MANY OF US KNOW THAT GO THROUGH THAT.
BUT THAT CONTINUOUS MOVEMENT THAT ROUNDABOUT WOULD PROVIDE US IS GOING TO HELP A LOT WITH THAT EFFICIENCY SOLVE SOME OF THE OFFSET GEOMETRY OF THE ROADWAY SYSTEM, WHICH IS CONFLICT POINT RIGHT NOW.
RIGHT? I DON'T UNDERSTAND THE RECOMMENDATION OF EIGHT FOOT PATHWAY AND AT THE SAME TIME A RECOMMENDATION OF 12 FOOT PATHWAY, BUT WHAT'S BEING RECOMMENDED, JOAN, CAN YOU ADDRESS THAT? SO, UM, IN THE, WHERE THE 12 FOOT IS RECOMMENDED, UM, THAT'S IN THE SLIGHTLY DENSER, UM, ADJACENT COMMERCIAL DISTRICT.
UM, SO THE THOUGHT WAS IS THAT THAT WOULD PROVIDE A LITTLE MORE FLEXIBILITY FOR, UM, ON SIDEWALK EVENTS, FOR THINGS TO HAPPEN IN THERE.
AND THEN ESSENTIALLY IT'S EIGHT FOOT CLEAR PATHWAY.
UM, AND IN THIS CASE WE HAVE TREES, UM, AND PLANTINGS THAT HAPPEN ON A REGULAR SPACING, UM, THAT INTERRUPT THAT 12 FOOT.
SO, BUT SEPARATE SPACES ALONG THE ROAD, THERE'LL BE DIFFERENT FOOT.
UM, IN COMPARISON, THE EXISTING FAIRLY NEW SIDEWALK ALONG HOPE AVENUE, WHAT'S THE WIDTH OF THAT? STAND BY? LOW COUNTRY CELEBRATION PARK, UH, OAK AVENUE ON, UH, IT'S BETWEEN 10 AND 12 FEET.
I'M NOT SURE EXACTLY WHICH ONE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, BUT IT'S WIDER.
10 OR 12 FEET RIGHT IN FRONT OF LOW COUNTRY CELEBRATION ON, IT'S PROBABLY, IT'S IN THAT, IT'S PROBABLY CLOSER TO 12 FEET IN THAT SECTION AND WIDE ACROSS THE STREET ON, UH, IN, IN FRONT OF THE MARRIOTT.
I THINK THAT MIGHT ON THE OTHER SIDE, YEAH, THAT, THAT HELPS THE, THE VISUAL OF THAT WHERE WE HAVE EXISTING, WE HAVE A LOT OF DIFFERENT WIDTHS ON OUR PATHWAYS
WE HAVE A LITTLE VIDEO ABOUT, AND YOU CAN NOTICE, SO IN WILLIAM HI, WHEN WE STARTED THE SEGMENT TOO, WHEN WE ARE LOOKING AT WILLIAM MILTON PARKWAY IN THOSE INTERSECTIONS, THAT'S APPLICATION OF THE SYSTEMS TO THOSE AREAS.
SO WE'RE NOT RECOMMENDING OPTIONS JUST LIKE HERE, THERE'S A RECOMMENDATION FOR THE ROUNDABOUT AT WILBORN AND MAIN STREET.
UM, AND SO WE'LL WALK THROUGH THE SEGMENT, WE'LL SHOW YOU A VIDEO, UM, AND THEN THERE WILL BE SOME AREAS WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THAT SEGMENT THREE, WHERE WE DO HAVE THOSE OPTIONS.
SO IF, IF YOU SEE ANYTHING IN SEGMENT TWO THAT YOU HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT, WE'D LIKE TO KNOW, YOU KNOW, UM, BECAUSE THERE'S JUST A RECOMMENDED TREATMENT WITHOUT OBJECTION, UM, OR COMMENTS THAT WILL COME SUBSEQUENT TO THIS MEETING, WE WOULD ADVANCE THOSE AS ACCEPTABLE.
SO WHERE IT SAYS TALKING POINTS, THOSE ARE NOT FOR US TO TALK ABOUT AND CHOOSE TELLING US WHAT YOU THINK WE OUGHT TO DO.
I THINK THESE KIND OF TALKING POINTS ARE WHAT WE'RE DOING RIGHT NOW, GETTING YOUR INPUT AND YOUR, OKAY.
UM, YOU WENT THROUGH IT REALLY QUICKLY.
UM, AND UM, I'M GLAD I'M NOT SPENDING A LOT OF TIME ON THE INDIVIDUAL BUBBLES, SO
IF, IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE ROUNDABOUT, I THINK THAT'LL BE EXPLAINED THROUGH THE VIDEO.
WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT IS, UM, FOR INSTANCE, THE OVERALL PLAN IN IN LONDON HAVE PAGE NUMBERS, UM, THAT I COULD READ.
UM, BUT THERE'S TALKING 0.1, TALKING 0.2, TALKING POINT, UM, THREE, UM, IN W H P TWO.
UM, SO THOSE ARE A LOT OF KEY INTERSECTIONS IN THAT AREA THAT YOU'VE IDENTIFIED AS A PRIORITY AREA.
SO, UH, BOTTOM LINE IS WHAT ARE WE DOING THERE AND HOW DOES THAT IMPROVE SAFETY? YEAH, I THINK IT, AS A WALK THROUGH EACH ONE OF THOSE, UM, SLIDES, TALKING 0.1 INTERSECTION SHOULD SAFETY, THEY TALKED ABOUT HAVING THE FOUR CORNERS, THAT CONSISTENT TREATMENT WITH CROSSWALKS.
UM, TALKING POINT TOO ABOUT PATHWAYS AND CROSSINGS TO HAVE THAT CONSISTENT TREATMENT TO ADD THE SEGMENT, UM, THE MISSING SEGMENTS OF, OF PATHWAYS THAT EXIST IN THAT, IN THAT SEGMENT, IN THAT MID BLOCK CROSSINGS.
UM, TALK ABOUT REMOVING MID-BLOCK CROSSINGS, UM, AND WE'LL TALK ABOUT SOME OTHER SPOTS WHERE ADDITIONAL, A DIFFERENT TREATMENT, UH, FOR SIGNALIZE MID-BLOCK CROSSINGS MIGHT BE APPROPRIATE.
SO I THINK THAT WAS WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO COVER AT A HIGH LEVEL TO SAY, HERE'S ONE OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS,
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UM, WITHIN THAT SEGMENT AT, AT THIS HIGH LEVEL.SO THE, THE, THE, UM, THE FOUR CORNER TREATMENT WHERE IT'S ALL THE SAME, THAT GOES BACK TO THE SYSTEMS OF WHAT THIS, WHAT IT LOOKED LIKE.
UH, BUT WE ARE TAKING OUT OR ADDING MID-BLOCK CROSSINGS, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO POINT THOSE OUT, UM, IN EACH OF THESE SEGMENTS.
SO WHERE IS THE, SO LOOKING AT W H P TWO, WHERE IS THE, UM, MID-BLOCK CROSSING COUNCIL ELIMINATED COUNCIL? IT'S, IT'S ON THE SLIDE HERE.
THIS, THAT'S THE BLOCK CROSSING AT, UH, CENTRAL AVENUE, AT CENTRAL AVENUE.
JUST MAKE A COMMENT AND MAYBE A SUGGESTION.
THIS IS THE FIRST TIME WE'RE SEEING THIS AND ABLE TO HEAR THE EXPLANATION OF WHAT IT IS WE'RE SEEING.
UM, MAYOR, YOU MADE A SUGGESTION ABOUT OUR NOTES THAT WE SUBMIT THAT, RIGHT? I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR US TO LISTEN CAREFULLY, TAKE IT ALL IN, BUT THERE'S OBVIOUSLY HOMEWORK TO DO TO COMBINE THE TWO REPORTS TO COME UP WITH MORE POINT.
RIGHT NOW THEY'RE THEIR GUT REACTIONS.
AND, AND I THINK TO BE MORE SPECIFIC AND HELPFUL ALONG THE LINE FOR OUR NEXT MEETING, WE, WE TAKE WHAT WE GATHER TODAY, DO OUR HOMEWORK AND SEND NOTES, HAVE ANOTHER MEETING SO THAT IT CAN BE, UM, FAR MORE SPECIFIC AS TO EACH ONE OF THE ELEMENTS.
AND I DON'T KNOW IF THAT MAKES SENSE ANYWAY.
THAT THAT MAKES COMPLETE SENSE.
AND THIS IS A, A MAJOR DOCUMENT UNDERTAKING, UM, THAT REQUIRES NOT ONLY A LOT OF CONVERSATION AMONGST OURSELVES AND THE COMMUNITY, BUT WITH OUR OTHER PARTNERS WITH THE PUDS TO MAKE CERTAIN THAT IT'S, IT'S MEETING THE NEEDS AND THERE'S A LOT OF UNDERSTANDING THAT STILL NEEDS TO TAKE PLACE.
SO DEFINITELY WE NEED TO TAKE OUR NOTES AND, AND SUBMIT THEM.
UM, ALEX, I KNOW YOU HAD A COMMENT.
I'M MAKING A NOTE AND I WILL SEND IT IN
COUNSEL, WE'LL SLOW DOWN A LITTLE BIT.
YEAH, I, I APPRECIATE TRYING TO GET THROUGH EVERYTHING, BUT IT'S LIKE, OKAY, WHAT WAS THAT? WE CAN TAKE ALL DAY AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED, BUT, UH, BRIAN, LET ME ASK A QUESTION OR SHAWN, UH, WE'RE DEALING AT A FAIRLY CON CONCEPTUAL LEVEL AT THIS POINT.
AREN'T WE GOING TO BE DEALING WITH MORE DETAILED PLANS LATER ON WHERE THIS DISCUSSION WOULD BE ADDRESSED? JUST WONDERING HOW MUCH DETAILED INFORMATION WE NEED TODAY AS OPPOSED TO THE NEXT ITERATION OF THE PLAN TODAY IT IS APPLICATION OF THE SYSTEMS TO THESE KEY AREAS WITHIN THE SEGMENTS.
IT'S AT, IT'S AT A HIGH LEVEL.
UM, WHAT WE'RE RECOMMENDING HERE, UH, FOR EXAMPLE, ON THE SLIDE ELIMINATED ELIMINATION OF MID BLOCK CROSSING TO PROVIDE CONSISTENT TREATMENTS AT THE OTHER INTERSECTIONS TO ADD PATHWAYS, SEGMENTS WHERE THEY'RE MISSING, UM, CONSISTENT WITH WHAT WE'VE IDENTIFIED PREVIOUS THAT HAD A PREVIOUS DISCUSSION ON WITH THE PATHWAYS APPLICATION OF THE CERTAIN TYPE OF CROSSWALK AND, AND STRIPING PATTERN.
UM, AND SO WE CAN GO SLOW TO MAKE SURE YOU UNDERSTAND THE BENEFITS OF WHAT WE'RE RECOMMENDING.
IF, IF, IF I MIGHT, WE'RE GONNA BE COMING BACK WITH THIS BROKEN DOWN INTO SMALLER SEGMENTS SO THAT WE CAN SPEND THE TIME UNDERSTANDING AND ASKING THE MORE DETAILED QUESTIONS, UM, TO DETERMINE HOW WE MOVE FORWARD.
AND I WOULD ASSUME THAT THAT IS GONNA BE BASED UPON THE PRIORITIZATION THAT WE GIVE WITHIN THE DIFFERENT SEGMENTS.
UM, SO THIS IS JUST TO SAY, THIS IS WHAT'S BEING CONSIDERED FOR US TO DO OUR HOMEWORK, AND THEN WE'LL COME BACK AND, AND TAKE A LOOK AT THOSE BROKEN DOWN TO SMALLER GROUPS.
LOTS MORE DETAIL, LOTS MORE ENGINEERING.
RIGHT? AND I'M GONNA REITERATE THAT BECAUSE RIGHT NOW WE, WE, WE'VE TRIED TO CLARIFY THAT AND I, I KNOW IT'S A LOT OF INFORMATION, BUT WHERE, WHERE DO WE START? RIGHT? WE COULD HAVE BROUGHT YOU MAIN STREET BY ITSELF.
WE COULD HAVE BROUGHT YOU BOTH BY ITSELF.
WE COULD HAVE BROUGHT YOU WILLIAM HILTON PARKWAY THREE DASH THREE BY ITSELF, BUT WOULD WE HAVE BEEN ASKED WHAT'S THE BIG PICTURE? SO WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS GET THROUGH BIG PICTURE, BUT I APPRECIATE WHAT MS. BRYSON'S ASKING BECAUSE I I'M TRYING TO KEEP UP TOO.
LET'S, LET'S JUST PAUSE FOR A SECOND, TALK ABOUT THOSE TALKING POINTS, BUT NO, YEAH, WE'RE, WE'RE HERE TO HEAR YOUR REACTION RIGHT NOW.
BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE'RE MAKING A RECOMMENDATION HERE, AT LEAST ON THIS ONE, TALKING 0.3, THAT MID-BLOCK CROSSING AT THAT INTERSECTION IS EXTREMELY DANGEROUS.
I CRINGE A LOT OF US CRINGE WHEN WE DRIVE THROUGH.
OUR HARD RECOMMENDATION TODAY IS, YEAH, WE, WE DON'T, WE DON'T BELIEVE IT BELONGS THERE.
AND IF, AND IF WE'RE GONNA CROSS THE STREET, THERE'S OTHER ELEMENTS IN THIS PRESENTATION THAT WILL SHOW US HOW TO CROSS THE STREET SAFER.
AND SO, YEAH, LET'S JUST PAUSE AT THE TALKING POINT, BUT AGAIN, WE'RE GONNA COME BACK TO TOWN COUNCIL
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AS AN EXAMPLE WITH WILLIAM HILTON PARKWAY DASH TWO AS A STREET SECTION BEFORE WE SPEND MUCH MORE TIME, MONEY, ENERGY, OR ENCROACHMENT PERMIT ON THIS TYPE OF WORK.I, I DID SUBMIT ABOUT AT LEAST A 14 POINT, UM, COMMENT YESTERDAY, SO I'VE ALREADY DONE THAT TODAY, IS TRYING TO UNDERSTAND SOME OF THE GRAPHICS ABOUT WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO SHOW US IN THESE BITTY, BITTY GRAPHICS.
BACK ON TO MAIN STREET, A A AGAIN, WE SHOULD HAVE PUT THE VIDEO MAYBE FIRST AND THEN THE SECTIONS SECOND.
IT'S, IT'S MORE UNDERSTANDABLE, PLEASE, WHEN YOU FLY THROUGH VOLUME, LOWER YOUR MICROPHONE CLOSER, YOUR HONOR.
SORRY, MOST PEOPLE DON'T WANT TO HEAR MY VOICE THAT LOUD.
UH, AGAIN, MEDIA MEDIANS HAVE BEEN, UH, PLANTED WITH ALLOWED FOR MORE PEDESTRIAN AND BICYCLE AREAS, UH, CONVERTING THIS INTERSECTION, UM, UH, INTO, UH, UH, INTO A ROUNDABOUT AGAIN TO INCREASE THAT TRAFFIC EFFICIENCY AND RESOLVE, UH, WHAT HAS BEEN PRETTY TROUBLESOME.
I KNOW STAFF HAS STRUGGLED WITH THIS INTERSECTION FOR YEARS FROM A TRAFFIC MOVEMENT STANDPOINT.
UH, SO THIS ROUNDABOUT SATISFIES A LOT OF ISSUES, UH, THAT ROADWAY GEOMETRY AND MINIMIZING THOSE CONFLICT POINTS.
SO THESE ARE APPLYING THOSE STREETSCAPES STANDARDS, VARIOUS INTERSECTIONS, CROSSWALKS, CROSSWALKS AND QUEING SPACES ON THE, UH, WALKWAYS LEADING TO THOSE CROSSWALKS.
SO THE SAME STANDARDS WE'RE USING ELSEWHERE ARE BEING APPLIED HERE.
UH, WHOOPING CRANE, UH, TRAFFIC CIRCLE, PROVIDING FOR PEDESTRIAN CROSSING AT THE FOUR LEGS.
SAME WITH THIS, UH, THIS ROUNDABOUT AT HOSPITAL CENTER.
TONY, I'M GONNA, OR KIM, I'LL ASK YOU TO MAYBE GET THAT VIDEO IF YOU WOULD PLEASE.
JUST, UH, FOUR AND A HALF MINUTES LONG, BUT IT'S TRAVELING WESTBOUND TOWARD WILBURN VOLUME.
THERE'S NOTHING, NO ELEVATOR MUSIC.
IT'S, IT'S INTENTIONALLY SPED UP FOR THE, FOR THE NATURE OF THE VIEWING.
SO THERE'S THE PROPOSED CONDITION LAID OVER THE EXISTING ROADWAY, 11 FOOT TRAVEL LANES, BIKE LANES ON THE, ON THE STREET, FIVE FOOT WIDE BIKE LANES AND BUFFER LANDSCAPE BUFFER.
SO, UM, COUNCIL STAFFORD, STANFORD, YOU CAN SEE HERE WHERE WE'VE GOT THAT, THAT WIDENED PATHWAY, BUT WE'VE GOT THE PLANTERS THAT ARE CURBSIDE.
THOSE, THOSE, AGAIN, THIS FINAL DESIGN HAPPENS.
THOSE MAY BE INCREASED OR DIMINISHED, BUT GIVES YOU A SENSE OF THE PEDESTRIAN ENVIRONMENT.
DOES THIS REQUIRE ACQUISITION TOMORROW? RIGHT OF WAY? IN SOME PLACES IT'LL REQUIRE, UH, ACQUISITION OF AT LEAST EASEMENTS, TAKING THE, THE MEDIAN IN SOME OF THESE INSTANCES AND PUTTING THEM INTO THE PEDESTRIAN ENVIRONMENT, WHICH CAUSES TO PUSH OUT.
THIS IS AT WHOOPING CRANE CIRCLE, AND SOME PLACES YOU'LL SEE WE'VE PUSHED IN.
SO THE, THE MEDIAN HAS GOTTEN DIMINISHED OR, OR REMOVED IN PLACES TO ACCOMMODATE SIDEWALKS ON THE OUTSIDE.
UH, SO THAT WE ARE IMPACTING THOSE ADJACENT PROPERTIES LESS BY SACRIFICING SOME OF THAT MEDIAN SPACE.
I'M, I'M HOPING THOSE TREES ARE THAT WE HAVEN'T WORKED FROM A SURVEY, HAVEN'T WORKED ON THIS, UH,
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TO THAT DEGREE, THOSE TREES CAN BE IDENTIFIED AND WE CAN ADJUST AS NEED BE TO SAVE SIGNIFICANT TREES.COULD BE ANY NUMBER OF THINGS.
AND THAT PLANTER MAY BE SOMETHING THAT'S ELONGATED.
THAT COULD EVEN BE A, A TREE, LAWN, NOT JUST A PLANTER WOULD AGREE WITH THAT.
DAVID, ALSO, ONE OF MY GUT REACTIONS IS I'M UNCOMFORTABLE WITH BICYCLES ON THE ROAD.
UM, WE HAVE SO MANY PEOPLE, WE ENCOURAGE MORE TO TRAVEL BY BICYCLE, AND WE KNOW THAT IT'S NOT A SINGLE PERSON ON A BICYCLE.
IT'S OFTEN GROUPS OF PEOPLE ON BICYCLES CARRYING A TRAIN OF CONNECTORS BEHIND THEM WITH THEIR DOGS AND FAMILY.
UM, AND IT, IT, FOR ME FEELS, HONESTLY GUT REACTION IS IT GIVES ME AJU, UH, IT MAKES ME FEEL UNCOMFORTABLE ABOUT THE DANGERS AND THE HAZARDS.
UM, ADDIE, IS THAT RECOMMENDATION PRIMARILY GIVEN BECAUSE OF SPEED THAT YOU WOULD BE ALSO RECOMMENDING ON THAT ROAD? I'M NOT SURE OF THE SPEED.
IS IT 25 MILES PER HOUR THROUGH THERE? BUT I, SO THAT IS A RECOMMENDATION.
I MEAN, A BIG COMFORTABLE BIKE LANE I THINK IS ALWAYS, YOU KNOW, I ALSO HAVE TO LOOK AT THE RIGHT OF WAY.
I HEAR YOUR CONCERNS OF GROUP RIDER, AND THAT'S WHAT THE GUIDELINES FROM ASTRO ARE COMING OUT WITH MORE PEOPLE LIKE TO SOCIAL RIDE.
AND SO IT'S A BIGGER SPACE THAT WILL, IT'S NOT JUST THE, THE WRITERS WHO BYPASS PEOPLE LIKE, OR BIKES, ET CETERA, MIGHT DO, BUT IT'S THOSE GROUP WRITERS, THE FAMILIES AND THE REST.
AND IT JUST FOR ME, DOESN'T FEEL RIGHT.
AND IT, AND IT WORRIES ME AND I WOULD TRUST TO SUPPORT, I THINK AS I UNDERSTAND IT, UM, FROM LOOKING AT A LOT OF BIKE LANES IN A LOT OF DIFFERENT LOCATIONS, IS THAT THERE'S KIND OF CYCLIST, IF YOU WILL, THOSE WHO WOULD BE ON THE PATHWAYS THAT ARE RECREATIONAL CYCLISTS, THOSE WHO ARE PROBABLY GOING IN A BIKE LANE, UH, BECAUSE THEY'RE TRAVELING FROM WORK TO ANOTHER PLACE TO AND FROM HOME, OR TO AND FROM, UH, WORK OR, OR, AND, AND I HAVE SEEN A LOT OF PEOPLE TRY TO, TO RIDE THEIR BIKE ALONG THIS ROAD, INCLUDING ME, UM, TO GET FROM ONE PLACE TO ANOTHER.
UM, SO I, I THINK AS BEST I UNDERSTAND IT, WIDENING THE SIDEWALKS 12 FEET CAN ACCOMMODATE THOSE RECREATIONAL KIND OF CYCLISTS TO SOMETIMES CYCLISTS AND ADDING THE BIKE LANE, UM, ADDS THAT AVAIL AVAILABILITY FOR THOSE WHO ARE COMMUTING FOR WORK OR, OR SOMETHING ELSE LIKE THAT.
OR IF I WANNA GO GET MY NAILS DONE IN, THAT WAS OUR LAST STOP ON THE VIDEO THERE.
I HEAR YOU AND UNDERSTAND THAT.
WELL, UM, IT'S JUST, THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE ANY, I WOULD, THAT WOULD BE A DISCRETION, RIGHT? AS TO WHERE YOU CHOOSE TO WRITE YOUR, UH, I'LL, I'LL STAND BY WORDS.
VIDEO IS VERY HELPFUL TO SEE THAT SEGMENT'S COMING ALIVE.
ALL THOSE COMMENTS ARE JULIE NOTED? YES, ALICE? YEAH, I, I APPRECIATE THE, THE VIDEO AS WELL.
UM, BEFORE WE, UH, COME BACK AGAIN, I, I WOULD BE INTERESTED IN THE TREATMENTS ON WILLIAM HILTON PARKWAY AS WELL.
UM, PARTICULARLY WITH THE, THE NEW CIRCLE AT WILBORN AND BUS DRIVE.
UM, THERE'S A, UH, GOOD AMOUNT OF STACKING THAT HAPPENS ON WIL WIL HILTON PARKWAY CERTAIN TIMES OF THE DAY IN THAT AREA.
I'M ASSUMING THAT THAT WILL PROBABLY, UH, INCREASE WITH THE CIRCLE BEING THERE.
UM, SO I'M JUST INTERESTED IN HOW THAT LOOKS.
UM, THE OTHER THING TO ASK ABOUT, AND, AND MAYBE IT'S IN ONE OF THE SLIDES, AND I, UM, APOLOGIZE FOR NOT CATCHING IT BEFORE, BUT THAT IS COMING FROM, UH, HILTON HEAD PLANTATION TO, UM, 2 78.
THERE'S A DISCONNECT THERE ON A BIKE PATH.
SO HOW DOES ONE GET, UM, OVER TO THE 2 78 BIKE PATH FROM MAIN STREET? AND YES, THAT WOULD BE DONE, BUT NOW YOU HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE PARKING LOT AND, AND THROUGH THE WOODS, UM, ON THIS YEP.
THAT SHOWS, UM, THE INTERCONNECTED BIKE LANE THAT WOULD CONNECT BETWEEN PARKWAY.
SORRY, WHAT? UH, THAT'S KINDA HARD TO SEE.
LET ME SEE IF I, IT'LL BE HARD TO SEE THIS, THE, THE MR. PRICE.
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ASK YOU SPECIFICALLY, ARE YOU TRYING TO CONNECT THE WHOOPING CRANE ROUNDABOUT AREA TO WILLIAM HILL PARKWAY? IF YOU ZOOM IN, YOU WILL SEE GREAT CONNECTION ACROSS ON AS SEAN.THAT'S THE ONE THING WE TALKED ABOUT IS ZOOM IN.
PERHAPS WHEN WE COME BACK, UM, YOU WON'T BE ABLE TO CONNECT OFF THAT ROUNDABOUT TO THE PATHWAY SYSTEM THAT'S IN PLACE.
THAT PATHWAY GOES RIGHT ACROSS THE ROAD.
YOU DON'T REALLY QUITE SEE IT AND BE CAREFUL THROUGH THERE, BUT IT DOES CONNECT TO WILLIAM HILTON PARKWAY.
UM, THERE IS AN INTERCONNECTIVE, SO WHEN WE COME BACK, WE'LL ZOOM IN QUITE HEAVILY ON THAT.
YEAH, AND I KNOW WHERE THAT IS.
WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY IS WHEN YOU COME ALONG THE GOLF COURSE TO LEAVE H H P AND YOU GET TO THE TRAFFIC CIRCLE, THEN YOU HAVE TO CROSS OVER MAIN STREET.
YOU GO THROUGH THE SHOPPING CENTER AND THROUGH THE WOODS TO GET TO TUCSON.
SO THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING IS HAVE YOU ADDRESSED THAT SOMEWHERE? YES, YES.
YOU WOULD COME ACROSS, OUT OF HILTON, THAT PLANTATION, YOU, YOU'D COME DOWN ACROSS THE ROUNDABOUT AT A, AT A CONNECTION OFF THE ROUNDABOUT, A LITTLE, LITTLE FURTHER BACK FROM THE MAIN CIRCLE.
I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE A ZOOM IN ON THAT, SEAN, BUT WE, WE, WE DO HAVE A, WE DID HAVE A SLIDE HERE, UM, THAT WAS ADDED FOR THIS PRESENTATION TODAY THAT, UM, HAS THE WHOOPING CRANE CIRCLE THAT SHOWS THE CONNECTIONS INTO THE EXISTING PATHWAY SEGMENT.
UM, IT'S A LITTLE FORWARD IN THE, WHEN WE GET INTO MAIN STREET PLAN, UM, AND THEN THE RED DOTTED LINES TO SHOW THE CONNECTIONS INTO WILLIAMS, INTO WILLIAM INTO, UH,
UM, IT'S THIS SLIDE FOR ALL PLAN.
OH, I, I'M, I'M WITH YOU SEAN.
THAT WAS VERY IMPORTANT TO US, SHOWING THAT CONNECTION OUT OF WILLIAM, WHICH WAS A PART OF THE IMPETUS FOR ACQUIRING MAIN STREET FROM THAT BIKE ED MOBILITY STANDPOINT.
UH, I'M GONNA LET MY COLLEAGUE, JONATHAN GUY SPEAK TO, UH, PARKWAY THREE.
THERE'S A FAIR AMOUNT OF CRASH, UH, INCIDENTS THAT HAVE HAPPENED IN THIS SEGMENT FROM MATTHEWS ON THE RIGHT OF THIS IMAGE TO BEACH CITY ON THE LEFT MID ISLAND DISTRICT DISTRICT.
CAN YOU MOVE YOUR MICROPHONE CLOSER, PLEASE? IN THE MID ISLAND DISTRICT, IN THE MID ISLAND DISTRICT PLAN, WE, WE SPOKE TO THIS, UM, UH, VEHICULAR CONNECTION THROUGH PRIVATELY, NOW PRIVATELY HELD PROPERTIES TO INTERCONNECT SOME OF THESE ROADWAY SYSTEMS, THE HEAVY BLACK LINE.
SO THAT MAY LOOK FAMILIAR TO SOME OF YOU.
THESE ARE SOME OF THE, UH, SOME OF THE ACCIDENTS AT THE INTERSECTIONS OF MATTHEWS, ALSO BEACH CITY.
AND WE'RE PROPOSING THAT WE, UH, FIX SOME OF THOSE RIGHT TURN MOTIONS TO CALM SOME TRAFFIC.
BUT ESTRIN CROSSINGS AT EACH OF THOSE CORNERS AT THE, UH, BEACH CITY INTERSECTION, ELIMINATE THE LEFT TURN.
UM, AND SOME OF THE LEFT TURN ACTS ARE PRONE AREAS.
JONATHAN, I'M GONNA LEAVE THIS TO YOU TO EXPAND UPON IF YOU CAN.
UH, AS WAS BROUGHT UP EARLIER, THIS IS ONE OF THE WORST CORRIDORS FROM A SAFETY STANDPOINT.
UM, COMMISSIONER BROWN BROUGHT THAT UP.
UM, AND THIS HAS THE, THE HIGHEST CONCENTRATION OF FATALITIES AS WELL AS YOU CAN SEE UP THERE ON RED.
UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WAS BROUGHT UP PREVIOUSLY ABOUT ELIMINATING THE RIGHT TURNING, UH, TREATMENTS IS, IS SOMETHING THAT S C D O T IS DOING THROUGHOUT THEIR ENTIRE STATE.
UNFORTUNATELY, WE HAVE A VERY BAD HISTORY OF ACCIDENTS AND FATALITIES ON OUR STREETS.
PROBABLY THE WORST OF THE UNITED STATES IS WHERE WE SIT RIGHT NOW, UM, JUST HERE ON 2 78, IN SC 42, THEY JUST COMPLETED A PROJECT WHERE THEY REMOVED A FREE FLOWING RIGHT TURN OR A PARTIAL YIELD MOVEMENT ONTO 2 78.
THE REASON FOR THAT WAS SAFETY PEDESTRIANS CARS.
UH, THERE HAVE BEEN NUMEROUS STUDIES THAT HAVE BEEN FUNDED BY INSURANCE COMPANIES ABOUT DOCUMENTING THE, UH, THE VIABILITY AND THE, AND THE NEED FOR THESE MOVEMENTS BECAUSE THEY CREATE A LOT OF CONGESTION, A LOT OF SAFETY CONCERNS, AND THEY ARE, UM, A, A BAD TREATMENT WHEN YOU ARE BLENDING PEDESTRIANS AND BICYCLES WITH MOTOR VEHICLES BECAUSE DRIVERS DON'T PAY ATTENTION WHEN THEY'RE TURNING.
RIGHT? AND SO THAT IS ONE OF THE BIGGEST SAFETY THINGS WE CAN DO AT THIS LOCATION, UH, OR THIS SECTION OF THE CORRIDOR, IS TO REMOVE THOSE TRAFFIC WILL STILL FLOW.
AND SO THAT WOULD BE ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS WE WOULD WANNA RECOMMEND WITH THIS TO COME THROUGH HERE.
ANOTHER THING IS LOOKING AT, UH, THIS SECTION THROUGH HERE, ESPECIALLY AT SOUTHWOOD PARK, UH, THERE IS A LOT OF DRIVEWAY OPENINGS THROUGH HERE AND MEDIAN OPENINGS.
THERE'S SOME CONFUSING, UH, CONFIGURATIONS OF LEFT TURN
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LANES WE WANT TO FORMALIZE THAT, MAKE IT MORE UNDERSTANDABLE.YOU'VE GOT TO REMEMBER ALL OF YOU LIVE HERE AND YOU DRIVE THIS, AND YOU KNOW WHAT THAT'S LIKE.
BUT YOU ALSO HAVE A LOT OF FOLKS WHO COME HERE ONCE A YEAR AND THEY DON'T REMEMBER THOSE THINGS AND THEY DON'T REMEMBER HOW TO.
SO OUR GOAL WITH THIS WAS TO CREATE, UH, UNIFORMITY THAT FIT WITH S C D O T STANDARDS THAT PROVIDED A SAFE MOVEMENT.
SO, CLOSING THIS IS GONNA HELP TO, UH, ADDRESS SOME OF THE SAFETY CONCERNS AND ISSUES THAT WE HAVE AT THAT LOCATION.
UH, AND THEN PROVIDING ADDITIONAL CONNECTIVITY, RIGHT? WE DON'T WANNA JUST CLOSE IT AND YOU DON'T HAVE A WAY OUT.
UM, SO MAKING SURE THERE'S CONNECTIVITY, UH, BETWEEN PARCELS BETWEEN INTERSECTIONS IS GONNA BE IMPORTANT TO MOVE THOSE LEFT TURNS TO A SAFER LOCATION WITH, WITH GREATER, UH, CONTROL.
AND YOU CAN ALSO SEE, UH, THERE AT, UH, SOUTHWOOD PARK TO PROVIDE ACCESS TO THE NEW SIGNALS INTERSECTION.
IT'S GONNA PULL THOSE DRIVERS OVER TO HELP WITH THAT.
AND THEN PARALLEL CONNECTIVITY.
THIS IS ALWAYS IMPORTANT WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT IMPROVEMENTS ON A MUCH LARGER CORRIDOR.
YOU HAVE TO REMEMBER, UH, WHILE THIS IS STILL A, UH, WHILE THIS IS DESIGNATED US 2 78 BUSINESS, IT STILL CARRIES A US SHIELD.
SO D O T LOOKS AT IT THROUGH THAT MINDSET THAT THEY ARE MOVING VEHICLES, PEDESTRIANS, BICYCLISTS UNDER THEIR COMPLETE STREETS POLICY.
BUT IT'S ALSO ABOUT MOVING, UH, LARGER VEHICLES THROUGH HERE TOO.
IT'S, IT'S NOT TRUCK RESTRICTED.
SO WANNA MAKING SURE WE HAVE PARALLEL CONNECTIVITY THAT TAKES TRIPS OFF OF THAT, THAT DOESN'T HAVE TO INTERACT AS WELL AS PEDESTRIANS AND BICYCLISTS THROUGH THERE.
UM, THIS IS ONE OF THE WORST INTERSECTIONS.
YOU CAN SEE THE DOTS UP THERE.
THIS DOES HAVE THE FATALITY, UH, THERE AT ALDO PARKWAY.
WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE ARE IMPROVING THE PEDESTRIAN AND BICYCLE VEHICULAR SAFETY AT THIS INTERSECTION.
THERE'S A NICE BIG CLUSTER THERE.
THIS IS THE AREA THAT WAS THE BRIGHTEST WHITE WHEN YOU LOOKED AT THAT HEAT DIAGRAM AT THE VERY FIRST, OR BRIGHT YELLOW, UM, MEANING THIS HAD THE HIGHEST CONCENTRATION.
SO WE WANNA ADDRESS THAT AS WE MOVE THROUGH HERE.
WE'VE GOT A COUPLE DIFFERENT OPTIONS.
OKAY? SO WE'RE GONNA WALK THROUGH THESE, UH, AND WE'RE LOOKING FOR FEEDBACK ON THIS RELATIVE TO WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
SO THIS IS AT THE INTERSECTION OF PALMETTO PARKWAY INTERSECTION.
UH, THE FIRST OPTION, UH, WOULD BE TO INSTALL A SIGNALIZE INTERSECTION IN CONJUNCTION WITH, UH, AS YOU CAN READ, NEW, NEW ROADWAY CONNECTIVITY ON BOTH THE NORTH AND AND SOUTH SIDES OF WILLIAM HILTON PARKWAY.
I WILL TELL YOU, UH, FROM ALMOST, UH, 27 YEARS WORTH OF TRAFFIC ENGINEERING FOR A PEDESTRIAN OR A BICYCLIST CROSSING A MULTI-LANE FACILITY, THE SAFEST PLACE TO DO THAT IS AT A SIGNALIZE CONTROLLED INTERSECTION BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE TO THINK, AND AGAIN, I'LL GO BACK TO YOU GOT A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO LIVE HERE AND UNDERSTAND HOW TRAFFIC WORKS.
YOU HAVE A LOT OF VISITORS WHO ARE HERE, THEY'RE TRYING TO ENJOY THEMSELVES.
THEY'RE NOT PAYING ATTENTION, TAKING AWAY DECISION MAKING, UM, IS A GOOD THING IN THAT SENSE TO HELP THEM CROSS THE STREET SAFELY.
ANOTHER OPTION IS JUST TO COMPLETELY CLOSE THIS, UM, CLOSE THE INTERSECTION THERE AT PALMETTO PARKWAY.
PROVIDE A PLANTED MEDIAN, TAKE OUT THE, UH, PEDESTRIAN CROSSWALK THROUGH THERE.
I DON'T CARE HOW MUCH SIGNAGE YOU PUT UP OR HOW MANY FLASHING LIGHTS YOU DO PUT UP, UH, ON A MULTI-LANE FACILITY, IT WILL GET LOST.
THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT WILL HAPPEN FROM A DRIVER'S VISUAL PERSPECTIVE CLOSING THAT, UH, THE STATISTICS WILL SHOW YOU THAT, UM, ANYTIME YOU CAN REDUCE THE NUMBER OF CONFLICT POINTS, WHICH WOULD MEAN CLOSING AN INTERSECTION, UH, PUTTING IN A MEDIAN SAFER, IT'S GOING TO BE, WE'LL TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THAT AS WE GET THROUGH THIS.
OR THERE'S JUST TWO OPTIONS ON THIS ONE.
IF I COULD BREAK MY OWN RULE FOR A SECOND.
UM, CLOSE THE CURRENT ENTRANCE INTO SOUTHWOOD PARK, MOVE IT DOWN TO ENTRY LANE NEXT TO THE OAKS, AND THEREFORE YOU COULD HAVE IT AN INTERSECTION THERE THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE SAFER BECAUSE YOU'RE ELIMINATING ONE RIGHT PAST, UM, GARDNER DRIVE.
AND THEN IF YOU HAD A A LIGHTED INTERSECTION THERE, IT WOULD CREATE A VERY SAFE, MUCH SAFER CROSSWALK.
UM, I APPRECIATE WE, WE'VE LOOKED AT AN OPTION TO PUT, PUT A BACK ROAD IN ON THE NORTHRIDGE SIDE.
UM, I'M JUST CURIOUS TO KNOW IF THERE'S BEEN ANY CONSIDERATION OF DOING OAK AND SOUTHWOOD SIDE, UM, KIND OF BEHIND THAT BUSINESS CENTER BACK TO GARDNER DRIVE.
UM, I DON'T THINK WE HAVE A GRAPHIC THAT SHOWS THAT, UM, BUT THAT, THAT IS CALLED OUT HERE.
UH, LEMME GET BACK TO THE RIGHT SLIDE.
UH, IT IS CALLED OUT THERE ON HERE WITH CONNECTIVITY ON THE NORTH AND SOUTH SIDES.
SO THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE IMPORTANT.
AGAIN, MAKING THOSE CONNECTIONS SO THAT YOU CAN TAKE OUT, UM, YOU KNOW, THE, THE LEFT TURN MOVEMENTS THERE.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT, THAT I NOTED, UH, IN COUNTING
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THE DOTS WHERE, UH, ACCIDENTS, VITALITIES AND SO FORTH HAPPENED, SOMETHING LIKE FOUR OUT OF 15 DOTS ARE BETWEEN INTERSECTIONS, WHICH PEOPLE WHO WERE INJURED OR CROSSING IN THE MIDDLE OF THE BLOCK OR JAYWALK.IS THERE ANYTHING THAT CAN BE DONE ABOUT THAT? SURE.
I WILL TELL YOU, UM, YES, THERE IS THINGS THAT CAN BE DONE TO ADDRESS THAT, AND IT'S THROUGH, UM, CHANNELIZATION PROVIDING THE, THE CORRECT LOCATIONS PROVIDING, UH, THE CROSSWALKS AND LOCATIONS THAT MAKE SENSE.
UM, AND THEN THAT WILL CUT DOWN ON AN INDIVIDUAL'S JAYWALKING.
UM, NOTE THAT THE, UM, PRACTICES THAT ARE REPORTED, UM, SOMETIMES THEY DO FALL OUTSIDE OF THE FRINGE OF THAT BECAUSE THEY'LL JUST CODE IN A GPS LOCATION FOR THAT.
UM, SO THERE IS A, A LITTLE BIT OF VARIABILITY OF WHERE THOSE DO FALL.
SO SOME OF THOSE THAT MAY HAVE FALLEN OR SHOWN OUTSIDE THE INTERSECTION, JUST BECAUSE OF HOW THE DATA'S CODED WITH DEPARTMENT OF SAFETY, UM, IT MAY ACTUALLY BE CLOSE TO THE INTERSECTION CLOSER THAN WHAT IS SHOWN JUST BASED OFF THE G P S COURT.
SO THERE'S SOME VARIABILITY WITH THAT AS WELL.
THIS AREA HAS BEEN TALKED ABOUT ON COUNCIL THREE YEARS.
I REMEMBER SEVERAL YEARS AGO THERE WAS A STATEMENT MADE, CAN'T REDUCE THE SPEED IN THIS AREA BECAUSE IT CREATES A PROBLEM WITH SPEEDS IN OTHER AREAS.
THE CHANGES IN SPEEDS IS A BAD THING.
IS THAT FAIR TO SAY? ONE OF OUR RECOMMENDATIONS ACTUALLY IS TO LOOK AT THE SPEED LIMIT THROUGH HERE.
I DON'T THINK THAT IT NECESSARILY IS A, UH, A BAD THING, UM, WHEN YOU CONSIDER HOW YOUR ROADWAY NETWORK INTERACTS, RIGHT? SO ESSENTIALLY YOU HAVE A GIANT LOOP THAT CIRCULATES IN AND AROUND, UM, AND WITH, UM, WITH THE TOLL ROAD BEING DECLASSIFIED, AND NOW YOU HAVE THAT CONNECTION, SO YOU'RE NOT PUSHING AS MUCH TRAFFIC.
I KNOW THAT STILL PRIMARILY FAVORS THIS SECTION WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE COUNTS.
UM, YOU HAVE THAT ALTERNATIVE ROUTE THROUGH THAT.
I DON'T, I WOULDN'T SEE A, A REASON, UM, ESPECIALLY FOR THIS SECTION THAT, UM, I WOULD HESITATE FROM REDUCING THE SPEED LIMIT.
YEAH, I THINK, I THINK THAT IN, IN MY MIND, THAT'S CONCEPTUALLY CONSISTENT WITH DIFFERENTIATING THIS AREA FROM OTHER AREAS ON THE ISLAND.
AND SO FROM A SAFETY STANDPOINT, IT STANDS TO REASON THAT BY REDUCING THAT SPEED, WE HAVE ENHANCED THE SAFETY OF PEDESTRIANS.
WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO CROSS EITHER AT AN INTERSECTION OR MID BLOCK.
UM, BUT IF I UNDERSTOOD YOU CORRECTLY, THE ONLY SAFE WAY TO GET PEDESTRIANS ACROSS THAT STREET IS WITH A LIGHT THAT TRULY IS THE SAFEST WAY, CUZ IT'S CONTROLLED.
UM, VERSUS GIVING, UH, DECISION MAKING AUTHORITY TO INDIVIDUALS, UM, WHO MAY OR MAY NOT BE ABLE TO JUDGE DISTANCES FOR ARRIVAL TIMES OF CARS QUICKLY, UM, OR CAN'T SEE WELL IN THE EVENING.
UM, UNFORTUNATELY HAVE TO WEAR GLASSES NOW TOO.
SO, YOU KNOW, THAT IS A, IS A FACTOR ASSOCIATED WITH THAT VERSUS SOMETHING CONTROLLING IT.
UM, I WILL ADD ONE THING RELATIVE TO THE SPEED LIMIT AS WELL.
UM, WELL, I I WOULDN'T POSE A CHANGE IN THE SPEED LIMIT THROUGH HERO REDUCTION IN THAT.
UM, WHAT WE FIND THOUGH IS THAT THE DESIGN ALSO NEEDS TO CHANGE, RIGHT? THIS ROAD WAS DESIGNED AT A CERTAIN SPEED AND THAT NATURAL HARMONIC THAT'S COMPLETELY CONSISTENT WITH WHAT I'M THINKING ABOUT.
GOOD, BECAUSE THIS ENTIRE AREA HAS TO BE DIFFERENT THAN OTHER AREAS ON THE ISLAND TO SOLVE THE PROBLEM.
SO DIFFERENTIATING THE CROSS SECTION, THE SPEEDS, LIGHTING, ALL THAT STUFF COMES INTO PLAY.
IT WOULD ALSO HELP WITH THE SECTION COMING AROUND TOWARDS SHELTER COVE, WHICH IS KIND OF A SPEEDWAY, WHICH YOU DON'T HAVE A LOT OF BREAKS AND TRAFFIC THROUGH THAT TOO.
IT MUCH LIKE HOW WE DO WITH TRAFFIC SIGNALS WHERE WE PLATOON TRAFFIC AND WE KEEP THAT IN, IN NICE MANAGEABLE BUNCHES.
IF WE GET THE SPEED AND HAVE CONFORMITY THROUGH HERE, THAT WILL HELP CARRY THROUGH THAT SECTION.
AND WHILE YOU WILL SEE, DEPENDING ON THE CHANGES YOU MAKE THERE, YOU WILL SEE MAYBE A POTENTIAL INCREASE THERE.
THE INCREASE WILL BE LESS THAN WHAT THE COAST SPEED LIMIT IS TODAY.
SO YOU'RE GONNA HELP REDUCE THAT.
UM, OVERALL POTENTIAL FOR CRASH, I THINK WE, WE SHOULD BE REMINDED THAT WE SPENT A GOOD DEAL OF TIME AND ENERGY TRYING TO THINK ABOUT THE MID ISLAND DISTRICT PLAN, THE VILLAGE IDEA, RIGHT? THIS IS AN EXTENSION OF THE VILLAGE AND SO HOW WE TREAT THIS SEGMENT OF THE ROAD SHOULDN'T BE AN S C D O T HIGHWAY.
AND JUST TO BUILD ON THAT, I WANNA TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE ROLE THAT YOU SEE THIS STREET PLAYING.
AND I THINK THAT GOES ALONG WITH THE SPEEDS.
I THINK WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT SOME OF THESE TREATMENTS WE HAVE, IT'S REALLY LOOKING AT PREDICTABILITY AND LEGIBILITY, WHERE THE CAR DRIVERS GONNA BE, HOW THEY'RE GONNA MOVE THROUGH SPEC SPACES, PARTICULARLY IN THIS AREA WHERE THERE'S HIGH CROSS VOLUMES THAT ARE HAPPENING.
WHEN YOU'RE CREATING THAT LEGIBILITY AND CONSISTENCY AND REALLY THINKING ABOUT THE ROLE OF THE STREET AND THE PARALLEL CONNECTIONS CAN REALLY SUPPORT WHAT YOU'VE ENVISIONED FOR THIS
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QUESTION ABOUT THE CLOSING, THE CROSSING THERE, THAT WOULD CONSIST OF SOME SORT OF BARRIER AND CERTAINLY NO ROADWAY, BUT WOULD THE BARRIER BE ENOUGH TO DIVERT PEDESTRIANS AS WELL? UM, IT, IT CAN, DEPENDING ON HOW YOU DESIGN IT, THAT'S MOST LIKELY.DOESN'T SOUND LIKE IT'D BE VERY PRETTY, BUT, WELL, NO, ACTUALLY THIS WILL BE A LANDSCAPE MEDIAN.
SO YOU, YOU, YOU KNOW, UM, DEPENDING ON HOW, UH, HOW NICE YOU MAKE THE, THE, THE LANDSCAPING IN THERE.
IF IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE I CAN CROSS THROUGH THERE, THAT'S GONNA DETER PEDESTRIANS.
IF IT LOOKS LIKE, UM, YOU KNOW, JUST A LITTLE BIT OF GRASS, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE PEOPLE WHO ARE JUST GONNA SPRINT ACROSS THAT STREET BECAUSE IT'S PATH OF LEAST RESISTANCE.
LOOKS LIKE A TRAFFIC LICENSE SLIP BETTER WAY.
COUNCILMAN, AS YOU'LL SEE IN THE, I THINK MAYBE THE, THE NEXT SLIDE, THE, UH, THE, UH, BARRIER OR THE, THE STRIP BETWEEN, UH, VEHICLE TRAVEL AND THE TRAIL IS MEANT TO BE ROBUSTLY PLANTED FOR A WHOLE NUMBER OF REASONS, NOT THE LEAST OF WHICH IS IN ENVIRONMENT.
UH, AND, BUT CERTAINLY TO, TO DE UH, DIMINISH, UH, THE, THE DESIRE TO CROSS ALSO THOSE MEDIANS ARE TO BE ROBUSTLY PLANTED AS WELL.
NOW, SOMEBODY THAT WANTS TO HOP OVER A FOUR FOOT TALL SHRUB MASS AND GO BETWEEN TREES, IF THEY WANT A CROSSWALK, THEY WANT A JAYWALK PAD ENOUGH, THEY PROBABLY WILL.
BUT THE CASUAL BICYCLIST OR THE PEDESTRIAN THAT WANTS TO STRAY OFF AND DART ACROSS THE STREET, WE CAN FIX THAT WITH THAT STREET SCHEME WITHOUT PUTTING UP GUARDRAIL AND CONCRETE BARRIERS AND THINGS THAT WE DON'T WANNA HAD SO MANY PEDESTRIAN ACCIDENTS THERE.
THAT'S WHAT I'M THINKING ABOUT.
BUT COUNCILMAN AMES IS EXACTLY RIGHT.
THIS IS THE MID ISLAND DISTRICT, AND THIS WILL HAVE A SPECIAL CHARACTER AND THIS IS INTENTIONALLY WHERE PEOPLE WANT, WE WANT, I THINK WE WANT THEM TO SLOW DOWN AND TAKE ADVANTAGE OF WHAT IS VILLAGE CENTER TYPE DEVELOPMENT.
UH, ALSO THIS CONVERSATION TO COUNCILMAN AMES, UH, UH, COMMENTS HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR QUITE SOME TIME, BUT WE'RE JUST MONTHS AWAY FROM HAVING A SMART SIGNAL TECHNOLOGY THROUGH THIS CORRIDOR THAT IS GOING TO HELP WITH VEHICLE MOVEMENT EFFICIENCY AS WELL.
SO THAT, THAT WASN'T IN THE CONVERSATION 10 YEARS AGO.
SO LET ME UNDERSTAND, UM, I UNDERSTAND THAT THE SIGNAL WOULD BE AT PALMETTO PARKWAY AND THAT'S WHERE THERE'S A CONVENIENCE STORE ON THE CORNER, WHICH IS WHERE A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE CROSSING TO GET FROM NORTHFOLK.
SO YOU, YOU'VE OBSERVED, UM, WHERE PEDESTRIANS ARE CROSSING NOWADAYS.
UM, SO WHAT I THINK I'M HEARING IS THAT THE RECOMMENDATION IN THIS AREA RIGHT HERE IS ADD THE TRAFFIC SIGNAL AT PALMETTO PARKWAY TO TAKE OUT THOSE LEFT TURNS AND TO, UH, REPLACE, UH, ALL THAT CONCRETE WITH LANDSCAPE MEDIANS, WHICH IF SOMEONE WANTS TO CROSS MIDBLOCK, THAT CAN BE A PEDESTRIAN REFUGE IN THE LANDSCAPE MEDIAN BLOCK, BUT IT CAN ALSO BE A REFUGE TO SOUTH HALFWAY.
SO WOULD IT BE ALL THREE OF THOSE THINGS, TRAFFIC SIGNAL REMOVAL OF THOSE LEFT TURNS AND LANDSCAPING THOSE MEDIANS THROUGH MY UNDERSTANDING THAT CORRECT.
OH, AND LOWER SPEED OF COURSE.
AND NORTH SOUTH CONNECTIVITY TO ON EITHER SIDE.
SO THAT HELPS TO MOVE TRAFFIC TO KEY LOCATIONS.
THAT'S SUCH A GOOD POINT TO MAKE.
IT'S A SERIES OF SOLUTIONS WE DIDN'T EVEN TALK ABOUT SOME LOW LEVEL LIGHTING THAT'S PART OF THE ISLAND IS VERY, VERY, VERY DARK.
AND I THINK THAT, I'M NOT ADVOCATING FOR STREETLIGHTS TO BRIGHTEN THAT AREA UP, BUT I THINK THERE ARE SOME LOW LEVEL LIGHTING TREATMENTS AS WELL AS LIT CROSSWALKS.
UM, AND IF WE, IF I THINK PEOPLE CROSS NOW, IN MY OPINION, I I, I DRIVE THROUGH THERE A LOT AT NIGHT AND AVOID IT A LOT OF TIMES FOR THAT REASON, PEOPLE CROSS WHEREVER BECAUSE I DON'T, THEY DON'T FEEL ANY SAFER IN THE CROSSWALK.
AND THE GOAL IS TO MAKE THEM FEEL SAFER AND BE SAFER IN THE CROSSWALK.
AND THEN TO BRIAN'S GREAT POINT, PROVIDE SOME STREET SCAPE ELEMENTS THAT PREVENT YOU FROM JUST CROSSING ANYWHERE.
SO I THINK THAT ALL THE THINGS WE'RE SAYING ARE A SERIES OF IMPROVEMENTS, UM, THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO GET ENCROACHMENT PERMITS FROM D O T AND WHATNOT, UM, TO IMPLEMENT.
BUT THAT LEADS ME BACK TO THE QUESTION OF, UH, WHERE I ASKED BEFORE, WHICH OUR INTERIM SOLUTION THAT WE CAN DO RIGHT AWAY, AWAY, UM, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, GETTING A TRAFFIC SIGNAL THERE AND GOING THROUGH THE WARRANT PROCESS WITH S C D O T TIME.
SO WHAT CAN WE DO RIGHT AWAY AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE TO ADDRESS SAFETY IN THAT AREA? THERE'S SOME, SOME KEY THINGS THAT CAN BE DONE.
S C D O T IS TESTING RIGHT NOW IN GREER, UH, IN PAVEMENT LIGHTING FOR CROSSWALKS.
THAT'S ACTUATED AS YOU CROSS A BARRIER SO THAT YOU DON'T PUSH A BUTTON, CUZ AGAIN, PEDESTRIANS AND BICYCLISTS CAN BE LAZY AS FAR AS WHAT THEY WANNA DO.
THEY TAKE THE PATH OF LEAST RESISTANCE.
UM, THAT TRIAL PERIOD SHOULD BE COMING UP PRETTY SOON.
UM, AND AND THAT'S AN APPLICATION THAT
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FOR THE EXISTING CROSSING THAT'S OUT THERE TODAY.UM, BACK TO, UH, THEONA MANAGER'S COMMENT RELATIVE TO, THEY DON'T FEEL SAFE AT THE CURRENT CROSSING, THAT WOULD BE ONE OF THE THINGS THAT COULD EASILY BE DONE.
IT RUNS OFF OF SOLAR, SO YOU'RE NOT HAVING TO HAVE A POWER HOOK UP THERE.
UM, AND THAT WOULD ALLOW TO, ESPECIALLY IN THE EVENING WHEN PEDESTRIANS AND BICYCLES CAN BE THE MOST VULNERABLE CROSSING THE STREETS, ESPECIALLY IN LOW LIGHTING SCENARIOS, YOU'RE GONNA BRING SOME ATTENTION.
IT'S GONNA DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT THAN WHAT YOU'RE GONNA HAVE WITH A NORMAL SIGNAGE.
GO PUT SIGNS UP OUT THERE AT NIGHT.
YOU MAY OR MAY NOT SEE THOSE, BUT IF YOU HAVE A LIT CROSSWALK IN ADDITION TO IN PAVEMENT LIGHTING, UM, POTENTIAL OVERHEAD LIGHTING THAT WOULD ONLY ACTIVATE WHEN THERE WAS A PEDESTRIAN IN THERE.
THOSE TYPE THINGS CAN BE DONE RELATIVELY EASY.
UM, AND THROUGH A SIMPLE ENCROACHMENT THAT DOESN'T REQUIRE ADDITIONAL LIGHT OF WAY, THAT'S A LOW COST SOLUTION TO START WITH.
COUNCILWOMAN, WE COULD ALSO GO OUT THERE IMMEDIATELY AND PLANT THOSE BUFFER AREAS.
WE COULD PLANT THOSE MEDIANS AND WE COULD, I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS A WORD DENSIFY, THAT PLANTING FROM INTERSECTION TO INTERSECTION TO DISCOURAGE THOSE JAYWALKS, UH, I LIKE THAT BETTER THAN SOME EXPERIMENTAL THING S E D O T IS LOOKING AT IN GREER.
ONE ONE MAY BE QUICKER THAN THE OTHER, BUT YEAH, YEAH, PROBABLY BOTH OF THEM ARE SOLUTIONS FROM, FROM MY VERY LOW LEVEL OF EXPERTISE IN THE AREA.
IT SEEMS LIKE IF YOU CAN CUT OUT THOSE LEFT TURNS AND BLOCK OFF ALL THOSE CONCRETE LEFT TURNS AND CREATE SOME PEDESTRIAN REFUGES RIGHT NOW AGAINST PATSY GOING OUT THERE WITH HER JERSEY BARRIERS THAT SHE DRAGS IN HER PLANTS
SO BRIAN, I'M TRYING TO FIND SOMETHING LIKE THAT, JONATHAN, IF Y'ALL COULD LOOK INTO SOME OPTIONS THERE AND PROVIDE BACK TO US IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF WEEKS SO THAT WE CAN START EXPLORING THAT, THAT WOULD BE VERY HELPFUL.
SO LET'S, LET'S JUMP DOWN HERE TO NORTHRIDGE DRIVE.
SO JUST MOVING CLOSER TO THE INTERSECTION THERE WITH MATTHEWS.
UM, THIS IS AN AREA THAT HAS SOME VERY CONFUSING, UH, TRAFFIC PATTERNS, OVERLAPPING LEFT TURN LANES.
THERE'S PARALLEL LEFTS THROUGH THERE.
UM, IT'S CONFUSING FOR DRIVERS.
WE DO HAVE A FATALITY AT THIS INTERSECTION WHERE NORTHRIDGE COMES IN TO W H P.
UM, SO OUR RECOMMENDATIONS GO THROUGH A SERIES OF REC OF OPTIONS THROUGH HERE, NOT COMPLETELY ELIMINATING THE LEFT TURNING MOVEMENTS INTO SEA TURTLE MARKETPLACE OR TO NORTHRIDGE PLAZA.
UH, BUT RESTRICTING THE LEFT SOUTH, LEFT SOUTH ARE ALWAYS GONNA BE YOUR MORE DANGEROUS MOVEMENTS ON A, UM, UH, INTERSECTION IN A MULTI-LANE FACILITY BECAUSE YOU ARE, UH, HAVING TO LOOK AT MULTIPLE DIRECTIONS AND TRY TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THREE DIFFERENT USER TYPES ARE DOING ACTUALLY FOR WHEN YOU CONSIDER THE OPPOSITE SIDE AS WELL.
AND SO ELIMINATING THAT, PUTTING IN WHAT'S KNOWN AS AN RCU, THAT'S JUST A TECHNICAL TERM FOR IT, UM, BUT WOULD ALLOW FOR, UM, PEDESTRIANS TO CROSS IN THE MIDDLE OF THAT INTERSECTION.
THIS COULD BE SIGNALIZE, UM, SO THAT YOU'RE CONTROLLING THAT INTERSECTION, ALLOWING THOSE LEFTS TO STOP WORKING WITH YOUR, UH, INTEGRATED SIGNAL SYSTEM THAT YOU'RE IMPLEMENTING.
THE BEAUTY BEHIND THIS IS THAT YOU CAN ACTUALLY, UM, PROGRAM THIS SO THAT, UM, YOU CAN SYNCHRONIZE MOVEMENTS COMPLETELY SEPARATE FROM EACH OTHER.
SO IF YOU'RE HEADED OUTBOUND OFF THE ISLAND, IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO STOP, UM, TRAFFIC.
UM, BECAUSE IF THE LEFT TURN IS NOT NEEDED ON THE NORTH BRIDGE, YOU DON'T NEED TO CALL IT, BUT YOU CAN CALL THE LEFT INTO SEA TURTLE MARKETPLACE.
SO IT GIVES YOU A WHOLE LOT MORE OPTIMIZATION FEATURES THAN A NORMAL SIGNALIZE INTERSECTION.
PLUS IT ALLOWS PEDESTRIANS TO CROSS.
THERE WOULD BE A MEDIAN, UH, IN THE MIDDLE THAT THEY WOULD USE.
UM, AND AGAIN, WE'RE CROSSING AT A SIGNALIZE LOCATION.
THE OTHER OPTION, UM, IS TO, UM, JUST ELIMINATE, NOT HAVE THE CROSSING AT THIS LOCATION COMPLETELY REMOVED, REMOVE THAT, STILL PUT IN THE INFRASTRUCTURE ASSOCIATED WITH THE RCU.
UH, REDUCE ACCESS, AGAIN, ACCESS MANAGEMENT, CONSOLIDATION OF DRIVEWAYS, MAKING THE THE DRIVERS GO TO KEY KEY LOCATIONS WHERE PEDESTRIANS AND BICYCLES ARE GOING TO EXPECT THEM IS GONNA BE KEY FOR THIS IN OPTION THREE.
JUST COMPLETELY TAKE THIS OUT.
WORK WITH ADDITIONAL CONNECTIVITY.
UM, TO GO BACK OVER, UM, TO GARDNER ON THE SOUTH SIDE FOR CONNECTIVITY OVER THERE, YOU'VE GOT CONNECTIVITY WITH NORTHRIDGE.
UM, THIS WOULD BE A, A HEAVILY LANDSCAPED ISLAND AT THIS LOCATION.
THIS WOULD ALSO WORK IN COMMON, UH, IN CONCERT WITH THE INTERSECTION THERE AT PALMETTO PARKWAY.
IF WE WERE TO SIGNALIZE THAT, UM, YOU'D STILL HAVE YOUR ACCESS.
UM, YOU'D STILL HAVE CONNECTIVITY AND MOBILITY, UM, BUT YOU WOULD REDUCE THE, UM, THE CONGESTION HERE AND THE ACCIDENTS THAT ARE, ARE CRASHES, EXCUSE ME, THAT ARE CURRENTLY OCCURRING AT THIS LOCATION.
SO OPTION THREE WOULD, UH, REDUCE THE MOST ACCIDENTS.
DID I JUST HEAR YOU SAY THAT? OH YEAH.
THE OTHER THING TO SAY IS THAT IF YOU'RE RIDING YOUR BIKE ALONG THE PATHWAY ON THE NORTHRIDGE SIDE OF THAT ROAD, THERE'S SO MANY, UM, WAYS FOR TRAFFIC TO COME AT YOU
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BIKE ALONG THERE.SO THAT WOULD ALSO REDUCE THE NUMBER OF POSSIBLE TURNING TRA VOLUME OF TURNING TRAFFIC, THE DIRECTION OF TURNING TRAFFIC ALONG THAT MULTI-USE PATHWAY ON THAT SIDE OF 2 78.
WE GET INTO THE WES ON THIS, WE'RE GONNA NEED TO SEE SOME ANIMATIONS.
IT'S HARD TO VISUALIZE YOUR IMAGE.
AND WE ALSO NEED TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THE EFFECTS ARE TO THE BUSINESSES IN THE AREA.
BUT ON THIS ONE, I DO WANNA SAY THAT OPTION THREE, I MEAN, THAT HOLDS AN AWFUL LOT.
UM, IT TAKES OUR PARKWAY AND MAKES IT START TO LOOK LIKE A PARKWAY THROUGHOUT AND ANECDOTALLY.
UM, I CAN TELL YOU THAT, UM, MY OBSERVATIONS ARE THAT PEOPLE CROSS WHEREVER THEY WANT TO CROSS, NEVERMIND THAT THEY RIDE DOWN THE CENTER OF THE, THE MEDIAN AREA ON THEIR BICYCLES, UH, OFTEN AT NIGHT, WHICH IS INCREDIBLY DANGEROUS, BUT THEY DO GET THE PARKWAY AS WELL.
JOEL, UH, JONATHAN, UM, I'M NOT PROPOSING THIS, BUT I JUST WANTED AN ANSWER IS A ALTERNATIVE, ANOTHER LIGHT THERE FACING WISE.
UM, YOU'D HAVE TO LOOK AT HOW THAT WOULD WORK WITH, UM, IT WOULDN'T, YOU COULDN'T PUT A SIGNAL AT NORTH RIDGE AND PALM MOTO TOGETHER TOO CLOSELY SPACED AT THAT POINT.
IT'S KIND OF AN EITHER OR SORT OF SITUATION AT THAT LOCATION.
UM, BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT THE SIGNALIZE INTERSECTION AT MATTHEWS, WHICH IS A HEAVILY TRAVELED INTERSECTION.
IT'S GOT A LOT OF TRAFFIC, A LOT OF MOVEMENTS THERE.
UM, YOU DON'T WANNA PUT IN ANOTHER MAJOR MULTI-PHASE SIGNAL.
COULD IT BE CONSIDERED? SURE, IT COULD BE CONSIDERED.
LET ME STEP THROUGH A COMPOSITE IMAGE THAT MAYBE VISUALLY SHOWS IN THREE DIMENSIONS, BUT SOME OF THESE IMPROVEMENTS SPEAK OF, AGAIN, THIS IS LOOKING TOWARDS THE OFF ISLAND, NORTH RIDGE ON THE RIGHT AND SEA PINES OR, UH, SEA TURTLE ON THE, ON THE LEFT.
UM, THIS SUGGESTS WE HAVE 12 FOOT WIDE PATHWAYS ON BOTH SIDES SUGGEST AS WE JUST TALKED ABOUT, EXPANDING THOSE BUFFER STRIPS AND, AND ADDING SOME DENSITY TO THEM.
HENCE THE PLANTINGS IN THE MEDIAN FOR THE VERY SAME REASON.
ALSO, IT TENDS TO CALM TRAFFIC WHEN THERE'S ONLY TWO LANES OF TRAFFIC IN ONE'S VIEW.
SHED, UH, PROVIDES SOME CROSSING ENHANCEMENTS TO, UH, COUNCIL WOMAN'S POINTS ABOUT THE BICYCLE CROSSINGS AT CURB CUTS.
THE LESS OF THOSE WE HAVE, THE BETTER, THE BETTER THEY'RE MARKED WHEN THEY HAVE TO HAPPEN, THE BETTER, AGAIN, APPLYING OUR SYSTEMS TO THOSE CROSSINGS.
SO TAKEN AS A WHOLE, THAT BECOMES MUCH MORE PARKWAY LIKE, MUCH MORE GREEN, UH, LOTS OF SEPARATION.
AS MUCH AS WE CAN PROVIDE BETWEEN MODES OF TRAVEL AND WHERE WE DO HAVE TO HAVE CROSSINGS, WE DO THAT IN SAFE FASHION.
S C D O T HAVE 150 FOOT RIGHT OF WAY OR 200 FOOT RIGHT OF WAY HERE.
DO YOU RECALL JONATHAN, OFF THE, IN OTHER WORDS, ARE WE GOING TO HAVE TO EXPAND THE CURRENT RIGHT OF WAY TO ACCOMMODATE WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING? YES.
WE'RE WE'RE SUGGESTING, UH, IT, IT, IT VARIES.
I THINK THE SHORT ANSWER IS IT VARIES.
UH, AND IS THIS GOING TO NEED TO BE APPLIED, UH, LOCKSTEP IN EVERY SEGMENT DOWN THE PARKWAY? LIKELY NOT.
BUT AS IT GETS INTO PRELIMINARY ENGINEERING, WILL WE BE IN SOME PLACES BEING INTO EASEMENT CONDITIONS OUTSIDE OF THE RIGHT OF WAY, LIKELY IS IT GONNA BE OUR GOAL TO STAY WITHIN THE RIGHT OF WAY? CERTAINLY.
AND IN A LOT OF THESE PLACES TODAY, A LOT OF THESE PATHWAYS ARE AL ALREADY IN EASEMENTS.
UM, SO IT'S KIND OF CONTINUING THE EXISTING TRADITION OF, OF THAT.
BUT WE CERTAINLY WANT THIS TO BE THE SAFEST CONDITION POSSIBLE IF THAT'S TAKEN A FEW MORE FEET IN AN EASEMENT THAT I THINK IS A WORTHY UNDERTAKING.
THE OTHER, THE OTHER, UH, ITEM THAT POPPED INTO MY HEAD WHEN YOU JUST SAID THE, UH, UM, PARKWAY, I I I, I THINK I'M MAKING THE, I KNOW I'M MAKING A DISTINCTION BETWEEN WHAT'S GOING THROUGH HERE AND PARKWAY.
AND, AND TO YOUR EARLIER POINT, THIS BEING THE MID ISLANDS SECTION, AND THAT WHICH IS LIKELY HOPEFULLY GOING TO REDEVELOP IN A, IN A MORE MIXED USE FASHION.
THIS IS THE DARE I SAY, BECOMES THE DOWNTOWN DISTRICT FOR THE ISLAND OVER TIME.
AND I THINK THIS ROADWAY CHARACTER NEEDS TO CHANGE AND REFLECT THAT.
WHAT, WHAT'S WHAT JUMPED INTO MY MIND, COUNCILMAN, WHEN YOU MENTIONED SIGNALIZING,
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UH, THE, THE NORTHRIDGE INTERSECTION, WE'VE GOT THAT CERTAIN SEPARATION BETWEEN SIGNALS THAT WE'RE ALL AWARE OF.UH, ONE COULD ARGUE MAY NOT BE ME, BUT ONE COULD ARGUE HAVING MORE STOPPAGE AND MORE CIVILIZED STREETSCAPE THROUGH THIS, THIS TOWN VILLAGE CONCEPT WOULDN'T BE A BAD THING AS LONG AS AUTOMOBILES CAN MOVE SAFELY AND EFFICIENTLY AND PEDESTRIANS AND BICYCLISTS CAN CROSS.
WE WANNA TAKE THE EXPRESSWAY OUT OF IT, TURN IT INTO A PARKWAY.
AND THIS SECTION OF PARKWAY, I THINK WANTS TO BE DISTINCTLY THE CENTER OF OUR ISLAND PARKWAY.
WE ALSO HAVE FOLKS, WE GOT NEIGHBORHOODS ON EITHER SIDE OF THIS TO ONE OF THE EARLIER POINTS.
WE GOT MOMS AND DADS AND KIDS THAT NEED TO GET TO CONVENIENCE STORES TO PICK UP A A HALF GALLON OF MILK OR, OR, UH, SUSTENANCE.
AND WE'VE GOTTA MAKE SURE THAT IF WE CLOSE OFF THOSE CROSSINGS, THAT IT IS INTUITIVE WHERE THOSE CROSSINGS ARE.
SO THOSE FOLKS CAN GET FROM ONE SIDE TO THE OTHER FOR THEIR DAILY NEEDS, NOT JUST FOR THE CONVENIENCE OF, OF, UH, BICYCLISTS LIKE ME.
SO FOLKS LIKE BRIAN, JUST TO BUILD ON THAT POINT, YOU KNOW, ELIMINATING ACCESS, YOU'RE, THERE'S GONNA BE OTHER THINGS THAT WE'RE GONNA NEED TO LOOK AT THE OTHER SIGNALIZING INTERSECTIONS, THAT PRESSURE THAT COMES ON THERE.
AND AGAIN, BACK TO THE ROLE OF THE STREET OF DOING THE LOCAL TRIPS AND THE REGIONAL TRIPS, AND HOW DO YOU BEGIN TO KIND OF PULL THAT APART? YEAH.
IT, IT ALSO BEGS THE QUESTION IS IF YOU ADD ADDITIONAL SIGNALIZE INTERSECTIONS, WHAT IT DOES TO THE CROSS ISLAND OF PALMA BAY ROAD, BECAUSE IT'S GONNA THEN DIVERT TRAFFIC FROM 2 78 TO BUSINESS 2 78.
THERE'S A, THERE'S A WAY OF DISCUSSION, UNLESS
SO NOW ONTO PARKWAY SEGMENT FIVE, WHICH IS THROUGH THE, UH, THROUGH THE CHAPLAIN NEIGHBORHOOD AND, AND PARK AREA.
UH, I'M GONNA LET JONATHAN SPEAK TO SOME OF THESE.
I'M GONNA LET HIM SPEAK TO ALL OF THESE, QUITE FRANKLY, STARTING AT MATTHEWS.
SO MATTHEWS DRIVE HIGH HOT NEWS AROUND CONNECTING MATTHEWS TO WILLIAM HILTON AS WE COME AROUND.
THIS IS, I PREFERRED TO THIS EARLIER AS THE BEGINNING OF THE SPEEDWAY.
UM, THIS IS ONE OF THOSE LOCATIONS WHERE WE START TO SEE TRAFFIC SPEEDS PICK UP AS YOU COME AROUND FROM THE MID ISLAND PART OF IT.
UM, CAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE A LOT OF FRICTION.
FRICTION MEANING INTERSECTIONS, DRIVEWAYS, OTHER THINGS LIKE THAT.
PEOPLE FEEL LIKE THEY CAN DRIVE AT A HIGHER SPEED.
THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT THEY DO, IS THEY APPROACH THE SHELTER CODE AREA.
UM, AND SO IF YOU ARE, UH, A VISITOR WHO'S COMING IN, UM, HERE AND YOU'RE CONNECTING UP TO, UH, WILLIAM HILTON TO HEAD INTO OTHER LOCATIONS, KEY CROSSINGS ARE GONNA BE IMPORTANT.
I WON'T BELABOR THIS POINT AGAIN, BUT THE, THE FREE FLOWING MOVEMENT FROM MATTHEWS ONTO WILLIAM HILTON.
UM, AGAIN, MAJOR SAFETY CONCERN.
UH, THIS AREA WAS HIGHLIGHTED.
THIS IS THE NEXT WORST INTERSECTION AS FAR AS CONCENTRATION OF CRASHES ON THE ISLAND.
UM, SO ANYTHING WE CAN DO TO IMPROVE THAT, NOT ONLY FROM A VEHICULAR STANDPOINT, BUT ALSO FROM A PEDESTRIAN STANDPOINT, IT'S GONNA BE, UM, IMPLEMENTED.
WAIT, WE MOVE OFF OF THAT? YES, SIR.
I'M, I'M JUST CURIOUS, UM, I'M GONNA UPDATE MYSELF HERE A LITTLE BIT.
UM, THAT INTERSECTION, UH, MATTHEW'S DRIVE ONTO THE 2 78 ONCE UPON A TIME, A YIELD SIGN WHERE TRAFFIC QUITE OFTEN WOULD COME TO A STOP BEFORE ENTERING 2 78.
I GUESS MY QUESTION IS, I'M NOT OPPOSED TO YOUR SUGGESTION, BUT WHAT'S CHANGED AS FAR AS SCTS APPETITE TO GO BACK TO THAT BREAK VERSUS WHAT THEY RECOMMENDED BEFORE, WHICH WAS TO HAVE IT FREE FLOWING? I THINK A COUPLE THINGS HAVE CHANGED.
UM, THE VOLUME HAS INCREASED TO A POINT WHERE THERE'S MORE CONFLICT BETWEEN VEHICLES BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT A HIGHER DENSITY OF VEHICLES NOW THAT ARE ON 2 78 FROM WHEN THAT WAS IMPLEMENTED AT ONE POINT IN TIME.
AND SO THAT CONFLICT BETWEEN VEHICLES COMING OFF MATTHEWS TO, UH, HAVE AN ACCEPTABLE GAP TO MERGE INTO, UM, THAT'S DECREASED.
AND BECAUSE THAT'S DECREASED, UM, YOU, YOU CAN'T EASILY MANEUVER INTO THAT.
THERE'S PLACES WHERE THIS STILL WORK, UM, NOT NECESSARILY ON THE ISLAND CUZ I DON'T THINK IT'S WITHIN THE RIGHT CONTEXT OF IT, BUT ELSEWHERE IN THE STATE, THESE WOULD STILL WORK.
YOU NEED TO BE FOCUSED ON REDUCING THAT CONFLICT AND STANDARDIZING THE DESIGN SO THAT YOU DON'T HAVE FREE FLOWING MOVEMENTS.
AGAIN, YOU'RE, YOU'RE COMMUNICATE, YOU'RE, YOU'RE, IT'S SENDING A MIXED MESSAGE FOR DRIVERS.
THIS TELLS ME, OKAY, I'M ENTERING INTO A ROADWAY WHERE I NEED TO GET UP TO SPEED QUICKLY BECAUSE I'M GONNA MERGE INTO THIS BECAUSE IT LOOKS LIKE AN ACCELERATION LANE VERSUS WHAT WE'RE JUST TALKING ABOUT OF TRYING TO REDUCE SPEEDS TO MAKE IT SAFER FOR VEHICLES.
SO IT'S, IT'S, UM, IT'S COMMUNICATING THE WRONG MESSAGE TO A DRIVER JUST SUBCONSCIOUSLY
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BY THE DESIGN.UM, BUT THAT, THAT'S DOT'S THEIR, AND, AND THE, THE, UM, YOU KNOW, ZERO TOLERANCE FOR CRASHES AS THEY MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT.
TRYING TO IMPROVE THE SAFETY, TRYING TO REDUCE OUR INSURANCE RATES HERE IN THE STATE.
THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO GET RID OF.
AND THESE ARE NUMBER ONE FOR THAT.
UM, SO, UM, LOOK AT LOCATIONS WHERE, AGAIN, WE, WE MENTIONED THIS, UH, THROUGHOUT, BUT MATTHEWS DRIVE, UM, UH, IMPLEMENTING THAT, UH, ACCIDENT PRONE INTERSECTIONS.
WHAT CAN WE DO WITH THOSE LOCATIONS TO, UM, OFFSET CRASHES THAT ARE THERE? UH, SINGLETON BEACH ROAD IS ANOTHER LOCATION WITH CRASHES PROVIDE PEDESTRIAN CROSSINGS, UM, AT EACH CORNER OF THE INTERSECTIONS.
ANYTIME WE CAN STANDARDIZE THAT SO IT'S NOT JUST A SINGLE CROSSING, UM, WHERE WE'VE GOT IT ON ALL FOUR CORNERS, THAT'S GONNA BE IMPORTANT.
UM, AS WE CONTINUE TO MOVE FORWARD RELATIVE TO SAFETY, UM, WORK WITH OUR PROPERTY OWNERS TO CONSOLIDATE DRIVEWAYS.
THERE'S A COUPLE PLACES THROUGH HERE.
WE'VE HIGHLIGHTED SEVERAL OF THOSE WHERE, UM, IT'S A LOT OF JUST OPEN CUTS, UM, AND FROM, FROM A DRIVER'S PERSPECTIVE, BUT ALSO FROM A PEDESTRIAN'S PERSPECTIVE.
AND ON A BICYCLE YOU DON'T KNOW WHERE A CAR IS GONNA COME OUT.
SO CHANNELIZING THAT, STANDARDIZING THAT, MAKING IT LOOK MORE UNIFORM.
ANYTHING YOU CAN DO ALONG THAT, IT'S GONNA REDUCE YOUR CONFLICT POINTS, IT'S GONNA MAKE IT SAFER.
UM, AND THEN PUT IN LOCATIONS WHERE YOU NEED TO, TO CONTROL THOSE MOVEMENTS.
UM, YOU KNOW, IMPROVING THE AESTHETICS THROUGH THE MEDIANS, THAT'S GONNA HELP WITH DU REDUCTION OF MOVEMENTS THERE AS WELL.
UM, AND THEN AN UPDATED ROADWAY SECTION.
WE TALKED ABOUT THIS, UH, PREVIOUSLY IN THE PREVIOUS SECTION, THE MID ISLAND SECTION, BUT REALLY ESTABLISHING THIS IS A GATEWAY IS GONNA BE KEY FOR THIS.
THIS IS A SECTION WHERE, UH, I FEEL LIKE IT, IT DOES NOT HAVE THE CHARACTER THAT IT NEEDS TO FOR A CORRIDOR THAT'S CALLED A PARKWAY, RIGHT? THAT'S A PRETTY SIMPLE EXPLANATION.
UH, AND SO THAT'S GONNA HELP NOT ONLY WITH MAKING, UM, BICYCLISTS IN YOUR PEDESTRIANS FEEL MORE SAFE CUZ THEY ARE GOING TO HAVE THE, UH, PERSPECTIVE THAT IT'S DEALING WITH TWO LANES INSTEAD OF FIVE LANES THROUGH THERE.
SPEEDS ARE GONNA CHANGE THROUGH THERE BECAUSE IT'S GONNA FEEL LIKE IT'S TIGHTER FOR THE DRIVERS.
IT'S GONNA FEEL MU MUCH MORE LUXURIOUS FOR THE PEDESTRIANS AND BICYCLISTS CUZ IT'S GONNA FEEL, UH, LIKE IT'S A SMALLER, MORE INTIMATE SETTING THAN I'M OUT HERE ON A HIGHWAY.
UH, AND THOSE THINGS ARE GONNA TRANSLATE, UM, DOWN IN EFFECT BEHAVIOR OF THOSE DRIVERS THROUGH HERE.
SO THOSE ARE SOME KEY THINGS THAT WE NEED TO BE LOOKING AT.
THIS MY SECTION, UM, THE EXISTING SECTION HERE, AS EVERYONE KNOWS, THIS IS ONE OF THE, THE TIGHTEST PORTIONS ON THE ISLAND, UM, AS WE'RE GOING THROUGH THE, THE PARKWAY.
AND SO WE'VE TRIED TO BE AS JUDICI AS POSSIBLE WITH IMPLEMENTING THE STANDARDS HERE, UM, WHILE, WHILE BALANCING THOSE, THOSE RESTRICTIONS.
SO, UM, THE, WHAT'S PROPOSED HERE IS ADDING A MEDIAN WHERE THERE'S A, A CENTER TURN LANE TODAY, UM, AS WE TRY TO RESTRICT THOSE TURNING MOVEMENTS.
UM, AND WE'VE ALSO INCLUDED A, A NARROWER, UM, UH, BUFFER BETWEEN THE, THE PATHWAYS AND THE ROADWAY.
SO THIS, THIS SECTION HERE TR IS WORKING TO BALANCE, UM, THE GOALS OF SLOWING TRAFFIC, PROVIDING SAFE PEDESTRIAN ZONES WITH, UM, THE, THE LIMITED RIDE OF WAY SPACE HERE SO THAT THERE IS STILL WORK TO DO WITH, UM, COORDINATING WITH PROPERTY OWNERS TO MAKE THIS HAPPEN.
UH, BUT WE FEEL LIKE THIS IS A, A GOOD BALANCE TO ACHIEVE THAT.
ONE OF THE HOT BUTTONS THAT I'VE GOT IN THAT SECTION IS THAT YOUR PATHWAYS ARE IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO THE RIGHT OF WAY.
AND SO BODY IS BUFFERING BIG SAFETY.
YEAH, COUNCILMAN, THEY'RE, THEY'RE, THEY'RE RIGHT BEHIND THE CURB.
THEY'RE SO, UM, DARE I SAY, SCARY.
SO TO TO TONY'S POINT, WE'VE GOT A VIABLE NEIGHBORHOOD ON THE LEFT SIDE OF THIS IMAGE AND A PARK ON THE RIGHT SIDE.
AND TO ADD A PLANTED MEDIAN AT A PLANTED BUFFER IN WHAT THOSE FOLKS WILL BE LOOKING AT FROM THEIR FRONT DOOR AND FROM THEIR, UH, UH, THEIR FRONT YARD, I THINK IS IMPORTANT CONSIDERATION AS WELL.
WE HAVE TO PROVIDE THEM ACCESS OUT TO THE PARKWAY.
IF WE CAN CONSOLIDATE CURB CUTS FOR THEIR SAFETY, NOT JUST FOR THE SAFETY OF THOSE ON THE PARKWAY, THAT WOULD BE GREAT.
AND ALSO TO CREATE A MORE, MORE GREEN IN THEIR FRONT YARD, NOT LOOKING AT FOUR LANES OF TRAFFIC.
TONY, I'D LIKE TO ADD A SIDE SIDEBAR.
UM, BECAUSE YOUR CROSS SECTION TREATS VEGETATION PRETTY MUCH THE WAY IT DOES EVERYWHERE.
I JUST RECALLING ALL THAT LAND WAS FARMLAND WHEN I FIRST MOVED TO THE ISLAND.
IT'S THE ONE PLACE ON THE ISLAND.
AND SO I THINK THERE'S ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY TO DIS DIFFERENTIATE THIS AREA IN SOME WAY.
SO THE TYPE OF PLANTING THAT'S ADDED TO THE CORRIDOR MAY BE DIFFERENT THAN IN OTHER AREAS.
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UM, THE INTERSECTION AT, UH, MATTHEWS FOLLY FIELD IN 2 78, UM, THE, FROM A CYCLIST AND PEDESTRIAN POINT OF VIEW, UM, THOSE TURNS, UM, ARE VERY DIFFICULT TO MANAGE.YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT TRAFFIC FROM ALL DIFFERENT ANGLES.
I THINK WE'VE HAD A NUMBER OF BICYCLE ACCIDENTS AT THAT INTERSECTION ON THE FOLLY FIELD SIDE.
UM, SO WHAT DOES THIS DO FOR THAT PARTICULAR INTERSECTION, ESPECIALLY WHERE IT LOOKS LIKE YOU'RE INTRODUCING U-TURNS? UM, MAY OR MAY NOT HELP, BUT YOU KNOW, WHAT ABOUT AN ALL STOP SIGNAL SO THAT, UH, THERE COULD BE A CROSSING FOR PEDESTRIANS AND BICYCLISTS AND WHAT DO YOU DO ABOUT RIGHT TURN ON RED AND AN ALL STOP SIGNAL? DO AN ALL STOP SIGNAL FOR, UM, FOR, FROM PEDESTRIAN STANDPOINT OR SCRAMBLED PHASE IS WHAT THEY'RE CALLED.
UM, THERE'S NO MOVEMENT FOR THE VEHICLE.
SO THE RIGHT TURN RED, SO YOU'RE GONNA HAVE RIGHT TURN PROHIBITIONS, UM, AND YOU CAN, YOU CAN ALLOW RIGHT TURNS WHEN THE SCRAMBLE PHASE IS NOT IN IN PLACE.
SO YOU'LL HAVE DIFFERENT TYPES OF SIGNAGE THAT WILL COME ON TO RESTRICT THAT.
UM, MUCH LIKE SOME OF THE PREEMPTION SIGNS YOU'LL SEE AT A RAILROAD CROSS THE MIDDLE STOP OR MOVEMENTS, UM, REMOVING THAT AND CONCENTRATING, REMOVING THAT FREE FLOWING LEFT, UM, OR RIGHT THAT'S COMING OFF MATTHEWS THERE.
UM, AND STANDARDIZING THAT INTERSECTION GIVES US A COUPLE DIFFERENT THINGS.
UM, PROVIDING THE FOUR LEG CROSSINGS ON EACH LEG OF THE INTERSECTION, UM, IMPLEMENTING THE MEDIAN THROUGH THERE.
AGAIN, WE'RE NARROWING DOWN THE SECTION THROUGH THERE.
WE'RE MAKING IT EASIER TO CROSS.
IF A PEDESTRIAN DOES GET HALFWAY ACROSS AND GETS STUCK, THE MEDIAN IS WIDE ENOUGH FOR THEM TO PAUSE AND REST.
WHEN YOU DON'T HAVE THAT, UH, YOU DO, YOU DON'T HAVE A CROSSWALK ON THE NORTH SIDE RIGHT NOW.
UM, LOOKING AT THE TURNING MOVEMENTS OF THE INTERSECTION, UM, YOU'VE GOT SOME SWEEPING RIGHT TURNS, AND I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT WHERE WE HAVE THE, YOU KNOW, THE FREE FLOWING MOVEMENTS.
I'M TALKING ABOUT SOME PRETTY WIDE RADIUS THROUGH THERE.
UM, STANDARDIZING THAT, BRINGING THAT IN, MAKING THE INTERSECTION MORE ACCOMMODATING FOR THE PEDESTRIANS, THAT'S GONNA ALL IMPROVE SAFETY.
UM, AGAIN, ANYTHING THAT YOU CAN DO TO, UM, THE BEST WAY TO SAY IT IS TO BALANCE, UM, THE, UH, THE PERSPECTIVE AND THE, THE OWNERSHIP OF THE ROADWAY BETWEEN VEHICLE VEHICLES, PEDESTRIANS AND BICYCLES SO THAT THE PEDESTRIANS AND BICYCLES FEEL LIKE THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO BE THERE.
UM, AND THAT'S PRETTY EASILY DONE WITH JUST GEOMETRY CHANGES IN DESIGN LANGUAGE, RIGHT? THAT'S GONNA MAKE A HUGE DIFFERENCE.
THAT'S WHAT WE'RE RECOMMENDING AT, AT THAT INTERSECTION SPECIFICALLY.
UM, AND THEN I GUESS, UH, IN ADDITION TO THAT WOULD BE SIGNAL ENHANCEMENT SAYS YOU NEED, UH, FOR THE INTERSECTION THAT SOUND GOOD WITH TOOL.
I'M THINK Y'ALL ARE THE EXPERTS IN THE, UH, BICYCLE PEDESTRIAN.
I THINK IT'S, IT'S GETTING BACK TO THAT PREDICTABILITY OF WHERE MODE SHOULD BE, WHERE THEY'RE OPERATING AT THAT TIME, TAKING AWAY, TIGHTEN THAT UP SO PEDESTRIANS CAN GET ACROSS.
IF THEY CAN'T, THERE'S A PLACE OF REFUGE FOR THAT.
I THINK THOSE ARE ALL KEY DESIGN CHALLENGES OR DESIGN OPPORTUNITIES THAT CAN BE IMPLEMENTED.
YEAH, CHAPLAIN WAS AT ITS SAFEST BEFORE THE CROSS ISLAND PARKWAY WAS BUILT, BECAUSE TEND SEE BACKUPS IN THAT AREA AS PEOPLE WERE TRAVELING, PARTICULARLY IN THE PEAK HOURS OF THE DAY, WHICH, YOU KNOW, SLOWER THE TRAFFIC, THE SAFER THE SITUATION.
UM, SO I'M, I'M GLAD TO KNOW THAT WE ARE, WE ARE CHANGING THE NARRATIVE, SO TO SPEAK, AS TO IT NOT BEING JUST A THOROUGHFARE ANYMORE.
UM, WHEN, WHEN WE'RE HAVING THE DISCUSSION AROUND, UH, YOU KNOW, CLOSING CURB CUTS AND APPROACHING PROPERTY OWNERS ABOUT, UH, SORT OF THIS SHARED ACCESS, UM, LET'S BE MINDFUL THAT, UH, NUMBER ONE, THE TOWN OWNS A LOT OF PROPERTY IN THIS AREA AND CERTAIN, UH, PARCELS THAT ARE UP FOR SALE AT THE MOMENT.
UM, I THINK THAT THAT NEEDS TO BE MOSTLY LOOKED AT AND LET'S BE SOMEWHAT CREATIVE WITH THAT SO THAT WE'RE NOT DEVALUING FOLKS AS, UH, CURRENT PROPERTY AND FUTURE OPPORTUNITIES, RIGHT? SO, UM, WELL, SO LET'S, LET'S TALK ABOUT A COUPLE KEY LOCATIONS THAT WE WANT TO JUMP INTO FOR RECOMMENDATIONS.
WE, WE'VE STARTED TALKING UP THERE AT MATTHEWS ALREADY.
UM, LET'S, LET'S JUMP INTO SOME OTHER OPTIONS AND OTHER LOCATIONS HERE.
LET'S TALK ABOUT BURKE BEACH, BEACH, UH, INTERSECTION HERE.
UM, LIKE WITH ALL OF THESE, IT'S ABOUT IMPROVING THE PEDESTRIAN AND PARTICULAR SAFETY AT THE INTERSECTION.
THIS WAS THE LOCATION THAT DID HAVE, UH, SOME CRASH, CRASH HISTORY.
SO WE WANNA MAKE SURE WE ADDRESS THAT.
WHAT ARE WE TALKING ABOUT RELATIVE TO THAT? WELL, UM, ONE OPTION HERE IS TO SIGNALIZE THE INTERSECTION.
UM, AGAIN, YOU'LL GO BACK TO WHAT I SAID EARLIER, UM, FOR PEDESTRIANS AS WELL AS FOR EVEN FOR THE VEHICLES, FROM THE STANDPOINT OF CONTROLLING WHAT DRIVERS
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ARE GOING TO DO.TRAFFIC SIGNAL'S GONNA DO THAT.
YOU STILL HAVE CONFLICT POINTS, UM, WITH THE SIGNAL, UH, BUT THAT'S GONNA HELP WITH THAT.
UM, DESIGNING THE INTERSECTION SO THAT WITH THE IMPLEMENTATION OF THE MEDIAN, UH, IT HAS THE PROVISION FOR, UM, WHAT I'LL SAY, PASSENGER CAR U-TURN MOVEMENTS.
NOT TALKING ABOUT TRACTOR TRAILERS OR WB 60 SEVENS, BUT IF A, UH, UH, A RESIDENT CAME OUT OF THEIR DRIVEWAY, UH, THEY WOULD HAVE THE ABILITY TO COME DOWN AND U-TURN IN A SIGNAL, WHICH COULD BE CONTROLLED BY THE SIGNAL.
SO IT MAKES IT SAFER FOR THEM TO DO.
ALSO WORKS IN COORDINATION WITH PEDESTRIAN CROSSINGS.
ANOTHER OPTION AT THIS LOCATION WOULD BE TO, UM, YOU KNOW, NOT PUT IN A SIGNAL AND CONVERT THIS TO, UM, AN ARCHIVE.
RIGHT? UM, THAT'S GONNA TAKE OUT YOUR EXITING LEFT.
YOU'VE GOT THE OPPORTUNITY BECAUSE OF CONNECTIVITY, UM, TO GO DOWN TO, UM, ROSE MIDLOCK, MIDBLOCK CROSSING NEAR BRADLEY BEACH ROAD.
UM, WE CAN LOOK AT, UM, YOU KNOW, OPTIONS WITH THIS.
THIS JUST TAKES OUT, UM, THE, THE MOVEMENTS THAT WOULD NEED TO BE THERE THAT ARE UNSAFE.
UM, THIS COULD ALSO BE SIGNALED AT SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE IF THE LEFT TURNING MOVEMENTS GOT SO HEAVY THAT THEY COULDN'T FIND THE GAP, UM, TO CONTROL THAT AS WELL.
UM, SO IT, IT GIVES YOU TWO DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVES.
AND THEN LASTLY, THIS WOULD BE, UM, JUST KEEP IT AS AN UNSIGNED INTERSECTION.
UM, LOOK AT, UH, IMPROVING CONNECTIVITY, REMOVING THE UNSIGNED CROSS.
WANNA MAKE SURE WE HAVE A SAFE CROSSING PEDESTRIAN OR, UH, AT SIGNALIZE INTERSECTIONS.
I'LL PAUSE THERE JUST FOR A SECOND TO SECOND TO TO PROCESS THAT AND WE CAN ANSWER TOTALLY HARD TO TO, TO GET YOUR HEAD WRAPPED AROUND IT.
YOU KNOW, MY, MY, MY GUT KIND OF LEADS TOWARD A SIGNAL.
UM, BUT I, I WOULD ASK THAT THAT, UM, PRACTITIONERS IS THE WORD THAT MR. KIMELMAN USED.
UM, REALLY TAKE A LOOK AT THIS HOLISTICALLY, UM, YOU KNOW, UNDERSTANDING THAT IT IS A MIXED USE AREA.
UH, THERE ARE BUSINESSES AND RESIDENTS, UM, IN, IN THIS AREA AND OF COURSE A, UH, KENNEDY PARK, UH, ACROSS THE STREET.
UM, YOU KNOW, WHAT MAKES THE MOST SENSE FOR THE, THE INDIVIDUAL PROPERTY OWNERS THAT ARE IN THIS AREA AS THEY'RE TRYING TO AVOID CONFLICTS AND, AND THAT SORT OF THING.
AGAIN, IT'S JUST GUT REACTION.
I KNOW THAT IT IS VERY UNSAFE.
UM, THE WHOLE IDEA OF HAVING BREAKS AND TRAFFIC MOVEMENT IS IMPORTANT, UH, FOR FOLKS TO ACCESS THEIR, THEIR HOMES AND BUSINESSES.
UM, SO I GUESS WHERE I'M, WHERE I'M GOING IS I'M REALLY LEANING ON YOU GUYS ON THIS ONE TO OFFER UP, YOU KNOW, WHAT MAKES THE MOST SENSE FOR, UH, THIS AREA, YOU KNOW, AS IT IS VERY UNIQUE, UH, AS YOU DON'T NORMALLY SEE, UM, YOU KNOW, THIS AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC GOING THROUGH AN AREA THAT OPERATES AS, UH, HOME SITES AS WELL AS BUSINESSES.
AND OH, BY THE WAY, THERE'S A PARK, RIGHT? UM, JUST TO ADD TO THAT, THE IDEA OF THE PARK ENHANCEMENTS THAT MAY BE KIND, THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC AND THE SAFETY ISSUES WITH CROSSWALK, UM, EXISTING THERE IS JUST, IS JUST A PROBLEM.
AND SO THE REMOVAL OF THAT CROSSWALK, UM, PROBABLY SMART AS WELL AS, UM, I LIKE OPTION THREE AGAIN, AND WITHOUT GOING TO ALL THE DETAILS, I'LL SEND NOTES, BUT I LIKE OPTION THREE.
AGAIN, IT REMOVES THE CROSSWALK, IT TAKES PEOPLE OUT OF DANGER.
IT CREATES A SITUATION WHERE THERE'S AN EASY AND SAFE LEFT HAND, UH, OPPORTUNITY FOR THAT U-TURN.
SO, UM, GOING UP AND DOWN THAT AREA MULTIPLE TIMES A DAY, UM, AND KNOWING HOW THE TRAFFIC MOVES, THE IDEA OF PLANTING IT TO SLOW DOWN THE TRAFFIC, ALL OF THE THINGS THAT YOU MENTIONED.
I DON'T DISAGREE WITH ANY ONE OF THOSE.
I DON'T, UM, I DON'T SEE A TRAFFIC SIGNAL THERE.
I WOULD PREFER FOR ONE NOT TO BE THERE.
UM, BUT OF ALL THE OPTIONS THEN, AT LEAST FULLY, UM, LOOK AT OPTION THREE, YOUR HONOR, ENVIRONMENT THAT RESPECTS THE RESIDENTIAL AND THE COMMUNITY.
WHAT WAS THE BUSINESS IS THAT WHEN, WHEN WE COME BACK AND, AND, AND DISCUSS THIS IN MORE DETAIL, UM, ALL THE OPTIONS ARE PREDICATED UPON HAVING, UM, THE CONSOLIDATED DRIVES WITH SOME PROPERTY OWNERS.
SO I THINK WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND IF THAT'S NOT AN OPTION, WHAT ELSE MIGHT MAKE SENSE?
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LET'S TALK ABOUT, UM, YEAH, PATHWAYS.UH, UH, SO LOOKING AT LOCATIONS, THIS WAS, UH, AGAIN, UM, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, NO PEDESTRIAN CROSSINGS ARE PROVIDED HERE, PROVIDED MID BLOCK CROSSING DOWN, UH, AT BRADLEY BEACH TO ACCESS THE, THE DRESDEN BEACH PARK AND BRADLEY BEACH.
UM, SO AS WE WORK THROUGH THIS, KINDA GETTING BACK TO WHAT MAYOR WAS SAYING, A LOT OF THINGS ARE GONNA, UM, ADJUST AS YOU GET INTO THE FEASIBILITY OF THIS AND YOU IMPLEMENT, YOU GET INTO THE DETAILS, RIGHT? SO HOW THE DRIVEWAYS ARE CONNECTED.
UM, WHERE ARE THE ACCESS LOCATIONS, WHERE ARE THE PATHWAYS, WHAT'S THE ALL SET OF THAT? WHERE DOES IT MAKE THE MOST SENSE? WE KNOW THAT THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME SORT OF CROSSWALK THROUGH HERE AS WE DESIGN THIS AND GET INTO
I THINK JUST TO BUILD ON THAT, APOLOGIES FOR SURE, UM, IS JUST THINKING AGAIN HOLISTICALLY, LIKE WHEN WE CLOSE THAT, WHERE DOES THAT PUSH OTHER FOLKS CROSSING? AND DOES THAT, UH, LY IMPACT THOSE CROSSINGS AND HOW ALL THAT MOVEMENT WORKS THROUGH IN THOSE SPACES.
THAT IS SOMETHING EVERYONE THINK ABOUT HOLISTICALLY, GROUP MODIFYING, UNDERSTANDING THAT, AND I DON'T KNOW WHETHER OR NOT HAS CROSSINGS IN THAT AREA.
UM, BUT IT WOULD BE INTERESTING TO KNOW, UM, WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE.
UM, BECAUSE ANECDOTALLY, AGAIN, UM, THERE'S NOT A LOT OF ACTIVITY.
MAYOR, MAY I JUST MAKE A QUICK POINT? WE, WE ALL SEE THAT BIG OLD CLOCK TICKING ON THE WALL.
IT, IT'S A MATTER OF HOW LONG YOU'RE WILLING TO PARTICIPATE.
WE STILL HAVE PALMETTO BAY ROAD.
WHAT ELSE? AND, AND WHAT ELSE? CINE CIRCLE BOTH AND CINE CIRCLE, THEY'LL HAVE ABOUT THREE ELEMENTS AND THEN SOME NEXT STEPS ARE, ARE WE TRYING TO GET OUTTA HERE BY 12, 12 30 OR ONE? I'M CANCELING MY HAIRCUT RIGHT NOW FOR 1230
SO WHATEVER, IT'S, IT'S FINE WITH, OKAY, WELL LET, LET, LET'S TRY TO GET OUT OF HERE BY QUARTER TO ONE.
I DON'T WANNA HURRY YOU, BUT IF WE DON'T GET TO EVERYTHING, WE KNOW WE'RE COMING BACK.
SO THIS IS GREAT FEEDBACK TODAY.
I JUST KNOW I COULD USE A QUICK PERSONAL BREAK.
UH, AS WAS JUST WHISPERED IN MY EAR RIGHT NOW.
MIGHT BE A GOOD TIME FOR A FIVE MINUTE BREAK.
ANYBODY IN THE ROOM THAT CAN CUT HAIR
I KNOW WE'RE WAITING ON SHAWN TO COME BACK, BUT WE'LL GO AHEAD AND GET STARTED.
UH, WE'LL JUMP IN NOW TO THE SOUTH END OF THE ISLAND, SO WE'LL, WE'LL LEAVE THE NORTH AND GO TO THE SOUTH PALMETTO BAY ROAD.
HERE ARE SOME ACCESS MANAGEMENT TO, UH, CREATE THE FOURTH LEG OF A SEA PINE CIRCLE BYPASS, AS I CASUALLY CALL IT, AND PROVIDE FOR SOME PEDESTRIAN ACCESS.
POINT BY POINT IS FIRST THAT, UH, GREENWOOD DRIVE, CREATING A NEW GREENWOOD DRIVE CONNECTION TO PALMETTO, UH, TO PALMETTO BAY.
THIS WOULD BE THROUGH SOME OF THE SEA PINES PROPERTY, UH, CLOSER TO, UM, GREENWOOD AND ALSO THROUGH THE, UH, ISLAND CENTER AT A, TO A CROSS INTERSECTION AT TARGET ROAD.
SO THE OTHER WE'LL TALK ABOUT WHEN WE GET TO SEA PINES CIRCLE IN A MOMENT, THE OTHER THREE QUADRANTS OF C PINE CIRCLE HAVE THESE DEDICATED ROADWAY BYPASSES, IF YOU WILL, THAT I THINK HELP TREMENDOUSLY ON THE TRAFFIC VOLUMES.
THIS WOULD BE FINISHING OFF THAT FOURTH CORNER.
SECONDLY WOULD BE TO CONSOLIDATE SOME DRIVEWAYS AND MANAGE ACCESS FOR THOSE LEFT TURN MOTIONS, AS WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IN OTHER SEGMENTS WITH THE INTRODUCTION OF LANDSCAPED MEDIANS, UH, ALONG PALMETTO BAY.
REDUCE THOSE CONFLICT POINTS AND CLOSING, UH, CLOSING UP THE MEDIANS TO THE EXTENT POSSIBLE, STILL PROVIDING FOR ACCESS TO THE BUSINESSES, UH, ALONG THAT STRETCH.
UM, THIS SECTION LOOKS TO BE A PLANTED MEDIAN TO 11 FOOT LANES OF TRAFFIC
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BUFFER AND 12 FOOT PATHWAYS ON BOTH SIDES OF PALMETTO BAY.SO THIS IS A, A LEGITIMATE MULTIMODAL STREET.
YOU CAN SEE IN THIS CROSS SECTION, THE, THE AUDUBON PRESERVE IS, UH, IS ON THE LEFT.
HEY, GUY, CAN I ASK YOU FOR ANY, UH, COMMENTS OR ANY FURTHER EXPLANATION ON THIS ED ACCESS MANAGEMENT REDUCTION OF CURB CUTS? UM, BRIAN, I HAVE A HAVE A QUESTION.
UM, YOU'RE PROPOSING, UH, FOURTH QUADRANT, UH, WITH A BYPASS OF SOME SORT THROUGH THE SHOPPING CENTER THAT'S BEEN PROPOSED ON AND OFF FOR 30 YEARS, RIGHT? IS THERE ANY DIALOGUE TODAY THAT SUGGESTS THAT'S A DOABLE SOLUTION, JONATHAN? THERE'S BEEN DIALOGUE WITH C PINES FOLKS.
I MET WITH, UM, WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND WITH STAFF, UH, COLLECTIVELY ALTOGETHER TO TALK ABOUT THAT.
AND THEN WITH SUPPORT FOR THAT CONNECTION, UM, WHICH WE'LL GET INTO THE DETAILS OF WHY THAT'S IMPORTANT AND HOW IT WORKS TO BENEFIT THAT COMMUNITY, UH, AS WE GET INTO THE MORE FOCUSED ON C PONDS, UM, YEAH, THERE SEEMS TO BE AT LEAST PRELIMINARY SUPPORT FOR THAT.
AND ISLAND CROSSING THE, UM, THE PRIVATE PROPERTY OWNER, HAS THAT BEEN, THEY THEY'VE BEEN CONTACTED RELATIVE TO? THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING, YES.
UH, I THINK PALMETTO BAY IS ONE OF OUR MOST SIGNIFICANT OPPORTUNITIES TO MAKE A STATEMENT ABOUT LIVING ON HILTON HEAD ISLAND AND COMING HERE AND ENJOYING THE PLACE.
SO I THINK THIS IS A BIG ONE FOR US.
UH, JUST TO ADD ONE BRIEF THING TO THIS, THIS IS THAT, UH, WE'VE TALKED A LOT ABOUT CONTEXT TODAY, ESPECIALLY AS IT RELATES TO MOBILITY.
UM, AS YOU'RE COMING DOWN OFF THE BRIDGE, THIS IS THAT TRANSITIONAL ZONE, UM, AS YOU'RE APPROACHING C FINDS.
AND SO THE DESIGN IS GONNA BE REALLY IMPORTANT.
UH, SETTING THE TONE FROM A CONTEXTUAL STANDPOINT AND AESTHETICALLY IS GONNA BE IMPORTANT, UM, WHICH I KNOW WE'RE GONNA DETAIL OUT, BUT YOU REALLY HAVE A WONDERFUL OPPORTUNITY HERE WITH THAT.
UH, AND THAT WILL AFFECT SPEEDS AS WELL.
I WOULD ADD, UH, A PERSPECTIVE OF MY CONSTITUENTS AND THAT IS THE DEDUCTION OF SPEED TAKES PLACE AFTER THE TRAFFIC LIGHT AND GOES RIGHT BY BAY PINES AND THE DANGEROUS INTERSECTIONS THROUGH THAT AREA.
SO TO THE DEGREE THAT YOU CAN START INTRODUCING SOME SPEED REDUCTION BEFORE THE BRIDGE WOULD GREATLY ENHANCE ABSOLUTE SAFELY SAFETY ON THE DOWNHILL SIDE, CORRECT THOSE, UH, SUPPORTING ROADS OF ARROW AND ARCHER AND TARGET, UH, AS WELL HAVE AN IMPACT ON TRAFFIC MOVEMENTS.
UH, WE'RE SUGGESTING IN THIS DIAGRAM THAT WE'VE GOT PROPOSED PATHWAY CONNECTIONS.
UH, ALONG ALL OF THOSE, WE'RE ALSO PROPOSING THAT THERE IS, UH, A ROUNDABOUT AT TARGET AND ARROW THAT'S BEEN TALKED ABOUT BEFORE THAT'S GOT, UH, SOME TORTURED GEOMETRY AND HAS FOR A LONG TIME, UH, ALSO AN OPPORTUNITY FOR AN ALL WAY STOP AT ARCHER AND ARROW ROAD TO SLOW TRAFFIC AND ALLOW FOR THERE TO BE CROSSINGS.
SO THAT'S WHAT THE YELLOW DOT AND THE YELLOW PENTAGON IS ALL ABOUT.
THE SECTION OF ARCHER, AGAIN REQUIRES SOME, UH, SOME ROADSIDE DRAINAGE WORK AS PART OF THAT ROADWAY.
AS WE ALL KNOW, THERE'S OPEN DITCH DRAINAGE, BUT PATHWAY PATHWAYS ON BOTH SIDES WITH A BUFFER, UH, CONTAINMENT WITHIN THE RIGHT OF WAY.
THERE MAY BE LANDSCAPE EASEMENTS THAT WOULD BE WISE TO, UH, ENCOURAGE OUTSIDE OF THE PATHWAY, BUT SEPARATING THE ROADWAY, UH, FROM THOSE PATHWAYS.
THERE'S, I'VE EXPERIENCED A LOT OF BICYCLISTS ON THE ROAD CUZ THERE'S NO OTHER ACCOMMODATION THERE.
AND WE HAVE A TRAIL THAT IS, UM, TO THE, TO THE NORTH OF ARROW, UH, OF ARROW ROAD.
BUT, UH, NOT EVERYBODY KNOWS IT OR USES IT BECAUSE IT'S MORE CONVENIENT JUST TO RIDE YOUR BIKE DOWN THE STREET.
JOHN, IS THIS A TOWN OWNED PROPERTY AND IS IT 60 FOOT RIGHT OF WAY AT THIS TIME? THEY OWN A PORTION OF ARROW ROAD, NOT ALL OF ARROW ROAD.
UM, WHAT YOU SEE HERE ON THIS PRO, ON THIS SECTION OR PROFILE IS TO ACCOMMODATE THE TREATMENT WITHIN THE RIGHT OF WAY THAT EXISTS.
HONOR, ARE YOU SAYING THAT THERE'S A WAY THAT WE CAN KEEP THE BICYCLIST OFF OF THE ROAD IN A SECTION
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LIKE THIS? YEAH.TO, TO SEAN'S POINT, THERE MAY BE SOME RIGHT OF WAY NEEDS.
THERE MAY BE SOME EASEMENT NEEDS, BUT THERE IS SOME EXISTING RIGHT OF WAY THERE THAT WE COULD ACCOMMODATE.
MY EXPERIENCE IS IF SOMEBODY'S ON THEIR BICYCLE, THEY'RE GONNA GET IN THE ROAD IF THEY CAN.
UNLESS WE PROVIDE A PATHWAY THAT IS CONVENIENT AND ADJACENT TO THEM AND ENCOURAGE THEM TO USE IT AND TO, AND TO PROPERLY BUFFER BETWEEN THE ROADWAY AND THE PATHWAY.
BUT RIGHT NOW, IN MANY INSTANCES, THERE'S NO BIKE ACCOMMODATIONS AT ALL.
SO PEOPLE DON'T HAVE MUCH CHOICE BUT TO RIDE THEIR BIKE.
SO, UH, AGAIN, WE'VE GOT BUSINESSES ALONG, UH, A LONG ARROW AS WELL.
SO THERE'S, THERE'S I THINK, A NEED FOR ACCESS TO THOSE BUSINESSES OUTSIDE OF THE AUTOMOBILE PULLING INTO THEIR PARKING LOTS.
SO THAT RECOMMENDATION, UH, UH, THAT, THAT RECOMMENDATION IS TO PROVIDE FOR MY MACHINE JUST WENT CRAZY.
UH, INSTALL PATHWAYS ON THE SOUTH SIDE.
THIS IS, UH, BACK TO, UM, TO PALMETTO BAY, IS TO PROVIDE FOR THAT PEDESTRIAN AND BICYCLE TRAIL ON THE SOUTH SIDE.
UM, UH, WE GOT A MID-BLOCK CROSSING AT NEW HALL AT THE AUDUBON CENTER AS WELL TO REMOVE AND TO ADD ALONG, UH, ALONG TO, TO, UH, THE COUNCILMAN'S POINT, A MEDIAN THAT RESTRICTS THOSE MOVEMENTS INTO, UH, BAY PINES DRIVE AS YOU COME DOWN OFF OF THE BRIDGE, UH, TOWARDS C PINE CIRCLE TO IN IMPROVE SAFETY AT THAT AREA, ELIMINATE THAT LEFT TURN MOTION THAT REQUIRES A CONNECTOR, UH, OFF OF, UH, POINT COMFORT ROAD AS WELL.
SO ALL OF THOSE HOME SITES HAVE GOT MORE DIRECT ACCESS TO, UH, PALMETTO BAY, THAT, THAT WOULD BE, UH, CONVERTING THAT EXISTING PRIVATE DRIVE TO A PUBLIC STREET, UM, AND MAKING THAT CONNECTION FOR BAY PINES DRIVE DOWN TO POINT COMFORT, WHICH IS REFLECTED WITH THE BLACK ARROW.
THAT'S A HIGH PRIORITY FOR THE RESIDENCY.
SO HERE'S A VIEW OF WHAT THAT CONNECTION, UH, OF THOSE TWO STREETS WOULD, WOULD MEAN AND LOOK LIKE WITH 12 FOOT DRIVE LANES AND THERE'S, UH, SOME DRAINAGE, BUT THE ALIGNMENTS WORK SUCH THAT, UH, THAT SHOULD BE A FAIRLY EASY FIX.
ON THE C PINE CIRCLE, IF I MAY, JONATHAN GUY, I'M GONNA ALLOW YOU TO SPEAK TO THIS WHILE I'M PASSING THE BATON.
THESE ARE THE EXISTING THREE OF THE FOUR QUADRANTS THAT HAVE THOSE BYPASS CONDITIONS THAT I THINK SERVE US WELL TO COUNCILMAN AMES POINT THAT, UM, THAT NORTHWEST CONNECTION THROUGH THE ISLAND CROSSING CENTER HAS BEEN TALKED ABOUT FOR SOME TIME, BUT IT CONTINUES TO MAKE A LOT OF SENSE.
UM, I'M JUST LOOKING AT TRAFFIC RIGHT NOW AND THE APPROACH FROM GREENWOOD IS BACKED UP, UM, ALMOST OFFICE PARK ROAD RIGHT NOW.
SO THE IMPORTANCE OF, UH, WHY WE'RE STRESSING THIS CONNECTION, UH, IS TO CREATE CIRCULATION AROUND, UH, THE C PINE CIRCLE SO THAT YOU DON'T HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE CIRCLE.
THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE SEEING TODAY.
THE BACKUPS THAT ARE ON GREENWOOD IS BECAUSE THERE'S, UH, THERE ARE OPTIONS.
UH, DRIVERS MAY NOT KNOW THOSE OPTIONS.
UH, BUT CREATING A A QUADRANT NETWORK AROUND THIS, UH, ALLOWS US TO PULL TRAFFIC OFF.
MORE IMPORTANTLY AS WE'LL GET INTO THIS AS WE DIVE INTO THE DETAILS, IT ALSO GIVES, UH, PEDESTRIANS AND BICYCLISTS A WAY TO NAVIGATE A CIRCLE WITHOUT ENTERING THE CIRCLE.
AND, AND THAT'S, YOU KNOW, ROUNDABOUTS CAN BE DESIGNED, UM, IN A MANNER THAT IS CONDUCIVE FOR PEDESTRIANS, BUT WHEN YOU GET INTO THE MUCH LARGER CIRCLES LIKE THIS, IT REALLY GETS MORE COMPLICATED.
UM, THEY'RE NOT AS FRIENDLY OF AN ENVIRONMENT AS THEY SHOULD BE, RIGHT? SO, UH, THAT REALLY HELPS WITH THAT.
WE, WE LOOKED AT A VARIETY OF DIFFERENT OPTIONS HERE, UM, AT THE INTERSECTION.
THIS NEW CONNECTOR IN GREENWOOD, WE WOULD RECOMMEND, UH, SIGNALIZING THIS.
UM, WE, WE LOOKED AT A VARIETY OF OPTIONS.
AS SAID, SIGNALIZATION WOULD WORK THE BEST HERE.
IT'S GONNA GIVE THE MOST OPPORTUNITY FOR DRIVERS TO UNDERSTAND WHERE THEY'RE GOING AND WHAT THEY'RE DOING AS THEY'RE COMING UP.
GREENWOOD EXITING, UH, THE SEAT PINES COMMUNITY THERE, THOSE DRIVERS THAT MAY NOT BE FAMILIAR, ADDITIONAL SIGNAGE COULD HELP DIRECT THEM OVER, UM, UH, YOU KNOW, PALMETTO THAT WOULD GET THEM OUT OF THE CIRCLE, UM, OR TO POPE AVENUE DEPENDING ON WHAT THEY'RE DOING AT THIS LOCATION.
SO IT MAKES A GREAT TRANSITIONAL POINT FOR THAT.
AND IT'S KEY TO MAKING THIS NETWORK WORK LONG TERM FROM BOTH THE PEDESTRIAN AND
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A VEHICULAR STANDPOINT AS WELL.UM, WE MENTIONED THIS EARLIER, BUT THE, UH, PUTTING IN A ROUNDABOUT AT ARROW ROAD AND TARGET ROAD, IT'S GOT SOME VERY UNIQUE GEOMETRY.
UH, ROUNDABOUTS ARE FANTASTIC FOR THAT.
IT HELPS TO ELIMINATE THE ADDITIONAL RIGHT OF WAY.
UH, IT MAKES IT MORE CONDUCIVE TO THE VOLUMES THAT ARE THERE IN THE DIRECTION THAT THEY'RE HEADING.
AND SO THAT WILL BE IMPORTANT FOR US TO LOOK AT AND IMPLEMENT.
WE'RE KIND OF STEPPING THROUGH KIND OF HOW WE SEE THINGS, UH, BEGINNING TO LAY OUT IN SORT OF THE IMPORTANCE OF THOSE, IF YOU WILL, FROM A IMPLEMENTATION CYCLE.
LET ME GO BACK TO THE NORTHWEST QUADRANT.
UH, WILL YOU FIGURE OUT, OR WILL THE, UH, OWNER OF THE SHOPPING CENTER FIGURE OUT THE CAPACITY, HIS CAPACITY TO EXIT, UH, FROM THE PROPERTY? MY IMPRESSION IS TODAY THERE CAN BE 10 CARS TRYING TO GET OUT OF PALMETTO BAY ROAD AND WE DON'T HAVE THE QUADRANT CONNECTION.
I'D BE CONCERNED ABOUT CAPACITY IN THAT.
UM, SO AS, UH, THE, THE NEW CONNECT TO REACHES GREENWOOD, YOU'RE SUGGESTING THAT THAT SIGNALIZE, UM, HOW, HOW WOULD THAT AFFECT, UH, I GUESS PARK PLAZA AND TRAFFIC THAT IS TRYING TO TURN DEATH OUT OF PARK PLAZA INTO C PONDS? WELL, IT, WHAT IT'S GONNA DO IS IT'S GOING, IT'S GONNA GIVE US MORE OPPORTUNITY TO PROCESS TRAFFIC.
AND WITH MORE MOBILITY, YOU'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO DISPERSE THAT TRAFFIC IN A MORE, UM, UH, EFFICIENT MANNER.
AND SO IT WOULD ALLEVIATE SOME OF THOSE, UM, DELAYS YOU'RE SEEING TODAY BY DOING THAT.
UM, SO THIS, THIS WOULD, THIS WOULD HELP OVERALL, UH, AND TO YOUR ABSOLUTELY, ABSOLUTELY.
WOULD THE SIGNAL BE LINING UP WITH THE BARK PLAZA ENTRANCE THERE? YEP.
UM, THE ONLY QUESTION I'VE GOT IS, AS I UNDERSTAND THAT GOING THROUGH THE SHOPPING CENTER, THAT'S ABOUT THE ZIGZAG.
I MEAN, I'VE CUT THROUGH THERE A NUMBER OF TIMES, UM, AND IT'S HARD TO FOLLOW.
UM, SO I, I CAN'T WRAP MY HEAD AROUND HOW THAT'S GONNA WORK.
COUNSEL, WE'VE, WE'VE DRIVEN THROUGH THAT PARKING LOT, A, A, A LOT.
AND ACTUALLY JUST, JUST RECENTLY, UM, RIGHT AFTER DAWN THIS MORNING, UM, THAT, THAT ENTIRE PARKING LOT I THINK WOULD NEED TO BE CERTAINLY CONSIDERED, PROBABLY REDESIGNED.
THERE'S A LOT OF ANGLE PARKING FOR THE, FOR THE, UH, THE, THE MAJOR STORE THERE THAT COULD BE 90 DEGREE PARKING AND MAYBE FREE UP SOME GEOGRAPHY.
BUT THERE'S A NUMBER OF, UH, DARE I SAY, OUTBUILDINGS, AND IT'S PRETTY CIRCUITOUS TO TRY TO NAVIGATE THAT AISLE THAT DRIVE WHAT'S A PRIVATE DRIVE AISLE.
NOW, I THINK THERE'S A CALL FOR A PUBLIC STREET AND RECONFIGURATION OF THAT PARKING.
IT'S GONNA BE MUCH MORE EFFICIENT.
SO JUST TO, TO TO BE CLEAR, THIS WOULD GO BEHIND STAPLES, IS THAT CORRECT? THIS WOULD BE BE, THIS WOULD BE BEHIND STAPLES.
SO IN ADDITION FOR THE NEXT LEVEL AS TO, AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, IS EXPANDING THAT PEDESTRIAN PATHWAY NETWORK, RIGHT? YOU CAN SEE UP ON THE SCREEN WHERE WE'RE SHOWING THE RED CONNECTIONS.
UM, THESE ARE THE MO THE MOVEMENTS THAT WE WANT TO PRIORITIZE FOR PEDESTRIANS.
AND AS YOU NOTICE NOW YOU'VE GOT 360 DEGREES CIRCULATION AROUND THE C PINE CIRCLE WITHOUT EVER ENTERING INTO THE C PINE CIRCLE.
IT, IT, IT PUTS PEDESTRIANS IN AND BICYCLISTS ONTO STREETS THAT ARE MORE CONDUCIVE FOR THEM.
UM, THE, THE STREET TYPICAL SECTIONS CAN ADJUST TO THESE, UH, AND, AND BE MODIFIED FURTHER, BUT YOU'RE MOVING THEM TO THE LOCATIONS WHERE THEY ARE BALANCED WITH THE VEHICLES THAT ARE GONNA BE THERE, RIGHT? SO WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT, UM, THE HEAVIER VOLUMES LIKE ON PALMETTO BAY NECESSARILY.
UM, AND SO THIS GIVES THEM THE OPPORTUNITY TO STRATEGICALLY MOVE ABOUT THE ROUNDABOUT WITHOUT HAVING TO GO THROUGH AND NAVIGATE THE ROUNDABOUT.
PLUS, IT'S GONNA HELP US WITH INDIVIDUALS WHO MAY WANNA TRY TO CUT THROUGH THE MIDDLE OF THE ROUNDABOUT CUZ THEY SEE A GIANT SECTION WHERE I CAN GET, AND THERE'S NO VEHICLES.
UM, THIS WILL GIVE THEM THE NECESSARY CIRCULATION AND WE'LL ADD TO WHY WE WANNA DO THAT HERE IN JUST A SECOND.
AND I THINK IT TOO, IT JUST KIND OF REALLY PULLS APART THAT LOCAL AND THE REGIONAL TRIPS AND REALLY GIVES YOU THAT ACCESS AS NEEDED.
SO HOW DO WE KEEP THEM FROM NAVIGATING THROUGH, UH, OR TRYING TO GO THROUGH, UH, THE ROUNDABOUT, UH, LOOKING AT, UH, DIFFERENT TYPES OF BARRIERS, UM, TO ENHANCE THAT? I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT JERSEY BARRIER NECESSARILY.
I'M TALKING ABOUT SOMETHING THAT'S MORE AESTHETICALLY PLEASING THAN THAT.
UM, I'VE SAID THIS OFTEN, TRAFFICKING PEDESTRIANS ARE LIKE WATER.
THEY ALWAYS TAKE THE PATH, AT LEAST RESISTANCE.
SO YOU HAVE TO GIVE THEM THE CONTROLS THAT THEY NEED TO GO TO THE RIGHT PLACES.
NOT ONLY IS THIS LOOKING FROM A CIRCULATION STANDPOINT FOR PEDESTRIANS, BUT ALSO LOOKING AT THE GREEN, UH, MEDIANS COMING FROM THE CHANNELIZING ALLEYS,
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EXTENDING THOSE BACK, UH, ESPECIALLY AS IT RELATES, YOU KNOW, GOING BACK TO THE INTERSECTION ON PALM PALMETTO BAY TOWARDS DUNNIGAN.UM, REDUCING THE CONFLICT POINTS AS YOU APPROACH THE INTERSECTION.
SO STILL KEEPING DRIVEWAYS, BUT NOT ALLOWING FOR FULL MOVEMENT DRIVEWAYS AT THOSE LOCATIONS.
THOSE THINGS ARE GONNA HELP TO MAKE THE CIRCLE WORK BETTER FOR THE INTERIM TIME UNTIL WE CAN GET INTO SOMETHING THAT'S A LITTLE MORE, UH, EFFICIENT FOR THE OPERATIONS AT THAT LOCATION.
WORKING WITH THOSE PROPERTY OWNERS, I'VE MENTIONED THIS ABOUT, UH, TO REDUCE OR ELIMINATE ACCESS DRIVES NEAR THAT.
UM, WHERE CAN WE PROVIDE FOR CROSS CONNECTIVITY IS GONNA HELP WITH THAT.
STILL MAINTAINING DRIVEWAYS, BUT PROVIDING CROSS CONNECTIVITY.
ANY DR, ANY TRIP THAT CAN BE MADE OUTSIDE OF THE MAJOR ROADWAYS AND CONNECTED TO THOSE PARCELS IS GONNA HELP YOU WITH OVERALL EFFICIENCIES OF THE CIRCLE.
UM, AND THEN SIGNAGE, SIGNAGE, SIGNAGE.
HELPING TO UNDERSTAND WHERE YOU'RE GOING, HOW YOU'RE APPROACHING THINGS.
UH, AGAIN, REMEMBER YOUR DRIVER POPULATION.
UH, IT'S INDIVIDUALS WHO MAY VISIT ONCE, TWICE A YEAR, HELPING TO REMIND THEM, UM, UTILIZING YOUR, UH, LANE MARKINGS AND SIGNAGE.
IT'S GOING TO BE, UH, VERY HELPFUL TO MINIMIZE AND REDUCE LANE CHANGES THAT ARE OCCURRING, UH, AS THEY'RE APPROACHING TO THAT, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT CAUSES A LOT OF CONGESTION, UM, AS YOU'RE APPROACHING A ROUNDABOUT LIKE THIS.
UM, AND THEN AGAIN, UM, LANE CHANNELIZATION TO MINIMIZE LANE CHANGES, RIGHT? SO HELPING TO STREAMLINE THEIR APPROACHES TO THAT, GIVING THEM ENOUGH ADVANCED WARNING SO THAT THEY DON'T GET UP TO THE, TO THE ROUNDABOUT AND MAKE A DECISION THAT THEY NEED TO CHANGE.
UH, THINGS THAT WILL HELP WITH THAT.
AND I THINK, AND IN FACT I KNOW SOME OF THAT'S OCCURRING TODAY, UH, WITH INDIVIDUALS HAVING TO CIRCULATE MULTIPLE TIMES TO, TO MOVE THROUGH THIS AREA, WHICH ADDS TO THAT, AND THEN CLOSE OUT MEDIAN CUTS AND ADD IN NEW MEDIANS.
AGAIN, LANDSCAPING, UH, CHANNELIZATION, THAT'S ALL GONNA HELP WITH THAT.
OVERALL OPERATIONAL EFFICIENCY, ALL THAT KIND OF LEADS UP TO WHAT IS KNOWN AS A, UH, THIS IS A, UH, WHAT IS KNOWN AS A TURBO ROUNDABOUT.
UM, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT HAS BEEN IMPLEMENTED IN THE UNITED STATES.
IT'S BEING DONE IN LOCATIONS WHERE YOU NEED MULTI-LANE ROUNDABOUTS, BUT YOU WANT TO AVOID CONFLICTS BETWEEN WEAVING MOVEMENTS INTERNAL TO THE ROUNDABOUT.
OKAY? UM, SO WHAT THIS DOES IS IT, IT CHANNELIZES THE APPROACH TO THAT.
IF YOU'RE MAKING A LEFT, YOU'RE IN A PARTICULAR LANE.
IF YOU'RE MAKING A THROUGH MOVEMENT, YOU'RE IN A PARTICULAR LANE.
IF YOU'RE IN A RIGHT TURNING MOVEMENT, IT'S A PARTICULAR LANE.
SO IT'S ALMOST LIKE YOU WOULD APPROACH A TRAFFIC SIGNAL WHERE YOU WOULD ALIGN WITH THE LANES THAT YOU'RE GOING TO, THAT ELIMINATES THE MOVEMENTS THAT YOU HAVE TO MAKE ONCE YOU ENTER INTO THE ROUNDABOUT.
THEY'RE CHANNELIZED, THEY'RE PROTECTED, SO YOU DON'T HAVE VEHICLES CROSSING OVER EACH OTHER.
UM, YOU'RE ALL FAMILIAR WITH SOME OF THE MULTI-LANE ROUNDABOUTS, UH, THAT ARE NOT ONLY ISLAND, BUT ARE IN BLUFFTON, UM, WILL BELONG IN BLUFFTON PARKWAY.
AND HOW SOME OF THOSE HAVE TO BE NAVIGATED A CERTAIN WAY.
YES, YOU GET USED TO THAT, BUT THEY'RE NOT AS EFFICIENT.
UH, THIS HAS BEEN TESTED IN, IN NUMEROUS PLACES.
UM, AND IS PROVIDING OPERATIONAL EFFICIENCY HIGHER THAN WHAT A TRADITIONAL TWO-LANE ROUNDABOUT WOULD BE.
UH, OR MULTI-LANE, I SHOULD SAY.
HOW DO YOU NAVIGATE THIS? I TALKED ABOUT SORT OF THE CHANNELIZATION.
YOU CAN SEE JUST THESE MOVEMENTS COMING OUT OF, OF GREENWOOD.
UH, THE RED IS IF YOU WANNA GO TO THE LEFT, YOU ESSENTIALLY GO OVER AND THEN YOU TURN AND YOU MOVE AROUND THAT, UM, YOU DO HAVE THE OPTION IF YOU WANTED TO, TO GO DOWN WILLIAM HILTON AS WELL.
BUT AGAIN, YOU HAVE ANOTHER LANE THAT'S DEDICATED FOR THAT.
SO YOU HAVE THE EFFICIENCY THAT YOU NEED, UM, WITHOUT THE DECISION MAKING, UM, THAT YOU WOULD HAVE UNDER TRADITIONAL TWO-LANE.
UH, AND THE REASON WE DO THIS IS, IS CLEARLY UP THERE ON THE SCREEN, UNDER A NORMAL TWO-LANE ROUNDABOUT, YOU CAN SEE THE CONFLICT POINTS.
YOU'VE GOT MULTIPLE CONFLICT POINTS.
ANYTIME THERE IS A, UH, AN APPROACH COMING UP IN THE CIRCULATING LANES, IF YOU LOOK AT JUST THE PARTIAL TURBO ROUNDABOUT UP THERE, YOU CAN SEE THERE'S A REDUCTION ALREADY OF FOUR CONFLICT POINTS.
AND SO THAT'S HOW THIS REALLY WORKS, IS THAT IT TAKES AWAY SOME OF THE DECISION MAKING AND THE CONFUSION THAT CAN BE THERE.
I GET IT, IT'S A LOT TO PROCESS.
UH, BUT, UH, THIS IS, THIS IS THE DIRECTION THAT WE'RE HEADING IN THE UNITED STATES FOR OUR MULTI-LANE ROUNDABOUTS TO GET THE EFFICIENCY.
COUPLE THIS WITH THE PEDESTRIAN IMPROVEMENTS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT.
NOW WE'RE STARTING TO CREATE AN INTERSECTION THAT, UH, REALLY CAN IN EFFICIENTLY MOOD TRAFFIC, BUT AT A SPEED THAT'S APPROPRIATE FOR THIS SECTION, RIGHT? UM, SO WE GET GREATER CAPACITIES, BUT NOT INCREASE IT TO A POINT WHERE IT FEELS LIKE IT'S A, A, UH, AN INTERSTATE LIGHT OR A A HIGHWAY TYPE FACILITY FROM THAT STANDPOINT.
ONE, ONE MORE PIECE TO ADD TO THAT IS, I KNOW WE'VE THROWN A LOT AT YOU HERE RELATED TO C PINES.
UM, IT'S NOT THAT ALL OF THESE IMPROVEMENTS NEED TO BE MADE AT THE SAME TIME OR NEED TO BE MADE ALL AT ONCE.
THESE ARE THINGS THAT CAN BE DONE OVER TIME AS, UM, YOU KNOW, ONE PIECE IS IMPLEMENTED.
YOU CAN WAIT AND SEE HOW THAT IMPACTS THE CIRCLE, RIGHT? UM, WITH THE
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ADAPTIVE TRAFFIC SIGNAL, THAT'LL HAVE AN IMPACT ON THE FUNCTION OF A CIRCLE.SO, UM, I DON'T WANT ANYONE TO BE CONCERNED THAT ALL OF THESE THINGS NEED TO HAPPEN AT ONCE.
IT'S KIND OF A, AN OVERTIME PROGRESSION OF, OF IMPROVEMENTS.
ARE THERE THINGS THAT CAN BE DONE, UH, ON AN INTERIM BASIS WHILE PROPERTY ACQUISITION THAT'S TAKEN SEVERAL YEARS? ARE THERE OTHER THINGS THAT CAN BE DONE RELATIVELY QUICKLY? ABSOLUTELY.
I THINK THERE'S THINGS THAT CAN BE DONE.
AND, AND TO, TO BUILD ON WHAT TONY WAS SAYING, UM, ALL OF THESE BEGIN TO, THEY WORK, UM, INTER THEY'RE INTEGRAL TO EACH OTHER.
UM, SO ALMOST AS WE WALKED THROUGH THIS, A LOT OF THE THINGS THAT ARE DONE CAN BE DONE IN THAT SEQUENCE, OR CAN BE DONE SOMEWHAT OUT OF SEQUENCE AS YOU LEAD UP TO THE LARGER, UM, IMPROVEMENTS AT THE INTER THE ROUNDABOUT IN AND OF ITSELF.
UM, BUT THERE ARE THINGS THAT CAN BE DONE IMMEDIATELY.
YOU CAN ADDRESS THE SIGNAGE AND PAVEMENT MARKINGS.
YOU CAN LOOK AT CONSOLIDATION OR DRIVEWAYS.
YOU CAN LOOK AT CHANNELIZATION, YOU CAN EXTEND THE MEDIANS AND PUT THOSE IN.
AND THOSE ARE SMALL THINGS THAT DON'T REQUIRE RIGHT OF WAY, UM, THAT DO REQUIRE ENCOURAGEMENT WITH S C D O T AND COORDINATION WITH THEM, BUT THEY'RE RELATIVELY SMALL IMPROVEMENTS.
UM, AND, AND, AND YOU MAY ACTUALLY GET PARTNERSHIP, ESPECIALLY ON THE SIGNAGE, UM, THAT, UH, S C D O T, YOU KNOW, WOULD FOOT THE BILL FOR THAT.
UM, SO THERE'S THINGS LIKE THAT THAT CAN BE DONE PRETTY QUICKLY TO HELP.
I PRESUME THE ADVANTAGE OF THIS IS SAFETY, BUT IS IT ALSO INCREASING CAPACITY OR IS IT ALLOWING CARS TO PASS THROUGH THE CIRCLE MORE QUICKLY? UM, IT'S, IT'S REALLY, IT'S ALL THREE OF THOSE THINGS.
SO IT DOES INCREASE SAFETY BECAUSE WE REDUCE THE POINTS OF CONFLICT AS I ENUMERATED.
UM, WE'RE SEEING, UM, CAPACITY INCREASES WHEN YOU IMPLEMENT ONE OF THESE ANYWHERE BETWEEN, UM, I'LL JUST SAY AN AVERAGE OF ABOUT 35% MORE CAPACITY, RIGHT? UM, SO IT GIVES LONGER LONGEVITY.
UM, THE GREAT THING THAT YOU'VE GOT HERE IS THAT YOU ALREADY HAVE A VERY LARGE CIRCLE, SO YOU CAN ACTUALLY BUILD THIS WITHIN THE CIRCLE IF YOU WANTED TO, TO HELP WITH THAT CIRCULATION.
UM, IT DOES HELP WITH MOVING TRAFFIC THROUGH.
SO IF YOU'RE COMING OUTTA GREENWOOD AND YOU WANT WILLIAM HILTON, IT GIVES YOU THAT ABILITY, BUT YOU ALSO HAVE, WITH THE PARALLEL NETWORK OR THE QUADRANT NETWORK, YOU'VE GOT THAT ABILITY TO CIRCULATE AROUND THAT AS WELL.
UM, AND YOU KNOW, AS I LOOK AT THINGS, THAT'S THE BEAUTY BEHIND THE ROUNDABOUT IS THAT IT, IT, IT TAKES A RIGHT TURN OR IT TAKES A, TAKES A LEFT TURN AND MAKES IT A RIGHT TURN, RIGHT? SAME THING HAPPENS WITH THE QUADRANT NETWORK.
I CAN STILL GO THROUGH BY JUST TURNING RIGHT AT TWO LOCATIONS AT, AT, YOU KNOW, SIGNALS.
AND SO THAT'S GONNA GIVE YOU EFFICIENCY AS WELL.
WHERE, WHERE WOULD WE BE ABLE TO EXPERIENCE ONE OF THESE? THERE'S ONE ABOUT TWO HOURS SOUTH OF HERE IN JACKSONVILLE, FLORIDA.
I, THIS GIVES ME HEARTACHE, I'M SURE
IT JUST TAKES ME BACK TO THE DAYS WHEN WE HAD TWO LANES ON THE CIRCLE THAT JUST WAS DISASTROUS.
AND I, I JUST, I I, THE, THE TURBO ASPECT IS VERY INTERESTING, UM, AND HOW IT MIGHT FUNCTION, BUT I COULD SEE PEOPLE GETTING EXTREMELY CONFUSED.
UM, BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT WHEN, WHEN SOME OF OUR GUESTS SHOW UP HERE, THEY FORGET HOW TO DRIVE AND THIS IS JUST GONNA THROW THEM FOR A LOOP.
UM, ONE THING I'LL, UH, ELSE I'LL SAY IS, UM, AS WE GET INTO THE FUTURE OF DESIGNING THE BIKE PATHS AROUND THIS, MAKE CERTAIN THAT IT'S SO FAR AWAY FROM THE ROADS THAT PEOPLE DON'T MISTAKE IT AS A ROAD.
UM, WE'VE SEEN THAT QUITE OFTEN AS WELL.
YES, ALEX, THE, UH, THE TURBO, UM, CONCEPT, DID YOU SAY THAT THERE WOULD BE SOME SORT OF TREATMENT IN BETWEEN THE LANE OF TRAFFIC? YEAH, ABSOLUTELY.
IF YOU COULD BACK UP ONE, UM, ON THAT, YOU CAN SEE THERE'S, THERE'S LINES UP, THERE ARE MEDIANS THAT SEPARATE THE, THE LANES, RIGHT? AND THAT'S DONE SO THAT YOU DON'T HAVE WEAVING.
IT'S DONE SO THAT YOU DON'T HAVE, UH, THE CONFUSION THAT YOU WOULD HAVE UNDER A NORMAL TWO-LANE ROUNDABOUT OF WHAT LANE DO I NEED TO BE IN? HOW DO I GO THERE? UM, AND THAT TAKES AWAY SOME OF THE, AND I TRULY GET, UH, YOUR COMMENT, MAYOR, RELATIVE TO MULTI-LANE ROUNDABOUTS.
UM, FROM A DRIVER'S PERSPECTIVE, THEY CAN BE VERY INTIMIDATING.
UM, AND THAT WAS REALLY THE INTENT BEHIND THIS DESIGN WAS TO REMOVE THE INTIMIDATION SO THAT IT GIVES YOU THE OPERATIONAL EFFICIENCY THAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR AND GIVES YOU THE SAFETY, BUT MAKES IT IN A MANNER THAT DRIVERS FEEL COMFORTABLE DOING IT BECAUSE THEY ARE IN THE LANE THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BE.
AND SO, AND THAT'S THE KEY QUESTION TO THAT IS, UM, AS I CAN APPRECIATE THE, UH, HOSE TURBO FITTING IN THE FOOTPRINT OF THE CURRENT CIRCLE, BUT I'M, I GUESS I'M HAVING A HARD TIME WRAPPING MY HEAD AROUND THE FEEDER INTO THAT, PARTICULARLY COMING OFF OF GREENWOOD BECAUSE
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IT IS SO TIGHT.I MEAN, YOU'RE OFFERING, I GUESS, A THREE LANE CHOICE COMING INTO THE CIRCLE INSTEAD OF THAT.
I'M CURIOUS TO KNOW HOW THAT WOULD WORK.
YEAH, SO, UM, AS YOU, THE, THE DIFFERENCE HERE IS THAT WE'RE ACTUALLY, WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO WITH THIS WHEN WE CONCEPTUALLY LAY THIS OUT IS WE ACTUALLY CONTRACT THE CIRCLE FROM WHERE IT IS.
SO AS YOU PULL THAT CIRCLE IN, THAT GIVES YOU MORE OPERATIONAL SPACE FOR THE MULTIPLE LANES AS YOU APPROACH THAT, RIGHT? SO WHERE THE CIRCULATION IS OCCURRING, YOU'RE ACTUALLY GONNA BRING THAT IN, IT'S GONNA OPEN THAT THROAT UP A LITTLE BIT MORE.
WOULD THERE NEED TO BE SOME EASEMENTS AND SOME, SOME WORKING WITH THAT? UM, PROBABLY SO JUST BECAUSE CONSTRUCTION, YOU ALWAYS HAVE TO PUSH THOSE LIMITS JUST A LITTLE BIT.
BUT, UM, THIS WOULD FIT IN THERE AND WOULD, WOULD WORK FROM THAT STANDPOINT.
WOULD THE, UH, PROPOSAL YOU HAD FOR GREENWOOD APPLY TO ANY OF THE OTHER, THE, AS FAR AS RELATIVE TO A IMPROVED SIGNAL DAMAGE? OH, YEAH.
IT, IT WOULD BE UNIFORM, UM, AROUND EACH OF THE APPROACHES TO THIS, RIGHT? SO YOU'RE GONNA, YOU'RE GONNA STANDARDIZE THAT, UM, THE APPROACHES INTO THE, TO THE ROUNDABOUT FROM THAT STANDPOINT, THEY WOULD BE VERY SIMILAR IF NOT IDENTICAL.
THAT'S A LINK TO THAT JACKSONVILLE EXAMPLE.
ASK FOR THAT AND, AND MAYBE SEND IT IN THE SLOWMO FOR A VERSION WHERE WE CAN SLOWMO IT SO WE CAN FOLLOW IT BACK.
I THINK I NEED TOM'S LOOKING AT THIS.
AND, AND THE OTHER THING IS, IT, IT APPEARS AS THOUGH HERE'S A NICE CIRCLE OR A NICE LANDSCAPE CIRCLE.
SO THIS WOULD REDUCE THE SIZE OF THAT LANDSCAPE INSIDE OF IT, IF YOU'LL CORRECT.
BUT YOU'D STILL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY FOR LANDSCAPING, UH, INSIDE THERE.
IT STILL WOULD BE VERY GENEROUS, RIGHT? IT'S JUST, IT GIVES US THAT OPPORTUNITY TO, BUT A LOT SMALLER.
IT, IT'S OVERSIZED FOR WHAT A TRADITIONAL ROUNDABOUT WOULD BE TODAY.
THE OTHER QUESTION IS THAT DURING THAT KIND OF CONSTRUCTION, IF THAT HAPPENS IN THE FUTURE, THEN YOU'RE GONNA BE RELYING UPON THE QUADRANT TO GET AROUND IN AND OUT.
THAT'S ACTUALLY VERY ASTO POINT.
IT GIVES YOU THE OPPORTUNITY FROM A MAINTENANCE OF TRAFFIC, UM, TO BALANCE.
AS YOU'RE BUILDING THIS TO DO THAT, WOULD YOU RESTRICT THE MOVEMENTS AT THE ROUNDABOUT? NOT NECESSARILY A HUNDRED PERCENT, UM, BUT YOU MAY STRAIN THOSE DOWN AS YOU'RE BUILDING AT CERTAIN TIMES OF THE DAY.
BUT THE QUADRANT NETWORK WOULD ALLOW YOU TO CIRCULATE AS YOU NEED TO WHILE YOU WERE, IF YOU WERE TO BUILD THAT, IT GIVES YOU THAT OPTION DURING CONSTRUCTION.
YOU CAN DO IT DURING CONSTRUCTION, ABSOLUTELY.
OH, YM AND I NEED TWO MODELS OF TIMES.
I THINK THE QUAD QUADRANT, UM, IDEA IS REALLY IMPACTFUL FOR DOING A LOT OF THINGS AND CAN REALLY, YOU KNOW, LEVERAGE THOSE PARALLEL CONNECTIONS, WHICH ARE DESPERATELY NEEDED ON THE ISLAND TO REALLY PULL OUT THOSE LOCAL TRIPS AND REALLY TAKE ANOTHER LOOK AT THE CIRCLE AND SEE, LIKE, IS THAT, IS THAT WHAT'S NEEDED ONCE YOU BEGIN TO PULL THESE LOCAL TRIPS? AND THE ACCESS OFF OF THIS CIRCLE DOES, IS DOING EVERYTHING FOR EVERYBODY RIGHT NOW.
AND HOW DO WE BEGIN TO KIND OF, UM, LOOSEN THAT AROUND THAT CIRCLE.
SO GO BACK TO DAVID'S QUESTION EARLIER, WHICH IS, IS FEASIBLE TO HAVE THAT PATHWAY GOING THROUGH THE SHOPPING CENTER? I THINK SO.
I THINK IT, IT GIVES YOU TO, TO ADDIE'S POINT, IT, IT BRINGS RESILIENCY TO YOUR NETWORK, WHICH IS SOMETHING THAT YOU DON'T HAVE A LOT OF ACCESS.
IT'S A GOOD IDEA, BUT I THINK IT'S FEASIBLE.
WE HAVE TO ACQUIRE THAT PROPERTY.
I THINK YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO REDESIGN, THINK ABOUT HOW THAT GETS REDESIGNED TO ACCOMMODATE THOSE USERS.
BUT I THINK, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF FOLKS USING THE PATHWAY SYSTEM ARE PROBABLY ACCESSING SOME OF THOSE, THOSE BUSINESSES, PROVIDING THAT ACCESS THROUGH THERE, PROVIDING THAT ACCOMMODATION FOR THAT MODE IS
I CAN SEE IT BEING A, A LIFESAVER ON A FRIDAY, SATURDAY, SUNDAY.
UM, YOU'VE GOT YES COMING IN, STOPPING AT THE GROCERY STORE THERE, TAKING THE BACK ROAD, AVOIDING THE CIRCLE.
SO IT ALLOWS FOR TRAFFIC TO FLOW DOWN POPE AVENUE EASIER THAN IT WOULD BE WITHOUT IT.
SO I, I THINK, YOU KNOW, NOT SPEAKING FOR C PINES BY ANY MEANS, BUT IT WOULD ALLOW THEIR GUESTS EASIER ACCESS IN THE C PIPES.
I THINK IT'D BE HELPFUL BECAUSE THERE'S KIND OF A SQUIGGLY SKETCH HERE,
UM, BECAUSE UNTIL THE MAYOR SAID IT GOES BEHIND STAPLES, I ASSUME IT WOULD BE GOING KIND OF STAPLES LIKE THE PATHWAY THROUGH THERE GOES NOW SOMETHING THAT LOOKS LIKE THIS IS WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE IF, IF PROPERTY ACQUISITION AND AGREEMENT.
POPE AVENUE AND NEY CIRCLE TAKING A
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SERIOUS LOOK AT, UH, UH, CORD DILLO TO THE CIRCLE BEING THE MOST CONGESTION, MAYBE THE MOST PROBLEMATIC, QUITE FRANKLY, THE SEGMENT FROM CORD DILLO MOVING, UH, MOVING TO THE WEST UP TO SEA PINE CIRCLE IS I THINK ONE OF OUR, OUR, OUR MOST BEAUTIFUL CORRIDORS BECAUSE OF THE WIDENED MEDIAN IN THAT, IN THAT EASTBOUND, IN THAT SOUTHBOUND, UH, DIRECTION, THERE'S A LITTLE BIT MORE OF MOVEMENT TO THE ROADWAY.AGAIN, LARGE PLANTS OVERHANG WITH THE ROAD.
IT'S ONCE YOU GET, UH, TO THIS, TO THIS EAST, EAST SIDE OF, OF, UH, CORD.
AND, UM, LOTS OF CURB CUTS, LOT OF CONFLICT POINTS.
UH, BUT WE'VE GOT SOME REAL RECOMMENDATIONS AS TO HOW WE MAKE THIS INTO SOMETHING MORE CIVILIZED.
JUST AS WE TALKED ABOUT THE, UM, UH, UH, UH, THE MID ISLAND SEGMENT OF THE PARKWAY.
THIS TOO, I THINK IS A WHOLE DIFFERENT CHARACTER TO WHAT WE'RE USED TO SEEING ON THE ISLAND.
THIS IS, UH, HIGHLY POPULATED, HIGH ACTIVITY, LOTS OF RETAILERS, LOT OF FOOD AND BEV BEACH PARKING, BEACH ACCESS.
SO IT IS, UH, MORE OF AN URBAN CONDITION THAN IT IS A PARKWAY CONDITION THAT WE HAVE ELSEWHERE BY A PHILOSOPHICAL STANDPOINT.
SO FIRST OFF, UM, UH, WIDENING AND PROVIDING ON BOTH SIDES OF THE, OF THE STREET A 16 FOOT WIDE PATH.
IT'S FOR AUTOMOBILE, IT'S FOR, IT'S FOR BICYCLISTS AND PEDESTRIANS SEPARATED FROM THE AUTOMOBILES.
UH, WE'VE GOT A SECTION OF THAT, AND ADDIE CAN SPEAK TO THAT IN A SECOND.
SECONDLY, AT THE TWO, UH, MAJOR SIGNALIZE INTERSECTION AT LAGOON ON THE RIGHT AND CORDO ON THE LEFT OF THOSE REMAINING SIGNALIZE, BUT WITH A RAISED, UH, UH, PEDESTRIAN TABLE.
SO THE, THE, THE VEHICULAR WAY RAISES TO THE SIDEWALK, DARE I SAY, ELEVATION, TO INTENTIONALLY TELL THE MOTORIST, NOT, NOT LIKE A SPEED BUMP THROUGH A RETAIL CENTER, BUT IT TELLS THE MOTORIST THIS IS A PLACE TO SLOW DOWN.
THIS IS PEDESTRIAN AND BIKE INTENSIVE.
IT DOESN'T AFFECT THAT, UH, THAT TRAFFIC MOVEMENT FROM AN AUTOMOBILE STANDPOINT BY THE, BY THIS 25 MILE AN HOUR SPEED ZONE THROUGH HERE AS WELL.
FOLKS SHOULD BE GOING AT A, AT A SLOWER AND CIVILIZED PACE.
SO BRIAN, IF I'M DRIVING 25 MILES AN HOUR AND I HIT THIS TABLE, DO I FEEL IT IN THE CAR? DOES IT JOLT ME? NO, IT DOESN'T JOLT YOU LIKE A, UM, AND WE'VE, WE'VE BUILT THESE BEFORE.
IT DOESN'T JOLT YOU LIKE A INTENTIONAL JOLT OF A SPEED BUMP.
UH, IT IS, IT'S MORE RELAXED ENTRANCE AND EXITING SLOPES.
BUT WHEN YOU'RE ON THAT TABLE, YOU DISTINCTLY FEEL THAT YOU CAME THROUGH A VERTICAL MOTION AND DOWN.
AND IF I'M DOING 60
SO THIRD IS TO PROVIDE A MID-BLOCK CROSSINGS CROSSING WITH ALL PEDESTRIAN AND BICYCLE CROSSING WITH ALL THE ACCORDANCE AT NASSAU, WHICH IS, UH, JUST YEP, WILL DO.
AND, UM, AND ALSO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF, OF, UH, UH, NEY CIRCLE WITH A PASSAGEWAY FROM THE INTERSECTION OF THE CIRCLE TO THE ENTRANCE INTO THE, UM, INTO THE BEACH PLAZA FOR MORE DIRECT ACCESS.
ANOTHER WAY OF ACCESSING THE BEACH PARKING FOR BEACH GOERS, UH, NOT JUST FROM THE PARKING LOT, BUT ALSO FROM, UM, UH, K PLAZA.
SO THERE'S, UH, THE REDUCTION OF, UH, MEDIAN CUTS AND MORE RIGHT IN, RIGHT OUT TAKEN ALL TOGETHER.
THIS IS, UM, AGAIN, MORE OF A, UM, URBAN STREET AND IT ACCOMMODATES ALL MODES OF TRAVEL.
YOU CAN SEE THE OUTBOARD 16 FOOT WIDE PATHWAYS.
THERE'S AN AMENITY ZONE WE'VE PROVIDED FOR ON STREET PARKING ADJACENT TO LOW COUNTRY CELEBRATION IN PERSPECTIVE.
AGAIN, LOW COUNTRY IS ON THE, UM, IS ON THE LEFT BEACHES BEHIND THIS VIEWER PROVIDED FOR SAFE CROSSINGS AT THE CURB, CUTS THAT REMAIN, UH, AND ARE NEEDED, ENHANCE THE PLANTINGS IN THE MEDIAN AND PROPOSE EXPANSION OF IT.
INSTALL AN AMENITY ZONE NEXT TO WHAT WOULD BE ON STREET PARKING, A 16 FOOT WIDE PATHWAY SYSTEM ON EITHER SIDE.
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VIEW LOOKING, UH, HOVERING OVER LAGOON ROAD INTERSECTION, LOOKING TOWARDS C PINE CIRCLE.WHAT IS AN AMENITY ZONE? UH, BENCHES, TRASH RECEPTACLES, SEPARATION FROM MOVING VEHICLES, I E BICYCLES AND PARKED AUTOMOBILES.
SOMEBODY OPENS THE DOOR, THEY'RE NOT TAKEN OUT A BICYCLE TO PEDESTRIAN, THANK YOU.
BUT IT'S ALL THE STUFF WE NEED TO PROVIDE FOR LIGHT FIXTURES, SIGNS, TRASH, RECEPTACLES, ALL THE STUFF THAT'S ON THE STREET.
UM, BRIAN, I'M SOMEWHAT HAVING A HARD TIME WITH THE WALKWAY THAT'S COMING THROUGH THE CIRCLE.
I'M ASSUMING THAT THAT WOULD MEAN THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO HAVE STOPPAGE IN THE CIRCLE FOR THE PEDESTRIANS TO CROSS, AND THAT'S RIGHT.
THE AREA BEING SOMEWHAT OF A CUL-DE-SAC.
I, I SEE IT SIMILAR TO THE QUADRANT CONVERSATION WE WERE HAVING AT C POND CIRCLE, WHERE THERE'S NOT A LOT OF ALTERNATIVES, UM, TO ENHANCE THE MOVEMENTS THAT HAVE TO HAPPEN AT THE CIRCLE.
UM, I'M JUST CURIOUS HOW THAT WORKS WITH, AND THERE'S A STACKING PROBLEM AS IT IS.
WELL, THERE, THERE'S, THERE'S CROSSINGS FROM ONE SIDE OF POPE TO THE OTHER, FROM BEACH PARKING TO KNI PLAZA PRESENTLY IN THAT AREA.
THE NOTION IS THAT THIS GIVES, UM, THAT WE ALREADY HAVE CROSSINGS OF NORTH AND SOUTH FORCE BEACH, ONE OF WHICH IS A HAWK CROSSING, UH, RELATIVELY SPEAKING.
AND J A I CAN SPEAK TO THIS, OUR TRAFFIC VOLUMES AROUND THIS CIRCLE ARE FAIRLY MODEST.
UH, WE'VE GOT OBVIOUSLY A LOT OF BEACH TRAVELERS AND A LOT OF FOLKS THAT ARE COMING FROM THE BEACH AND GOING TO CONEY PLAZA TO THE FOOD AND BEV.
THIS IS JUST ANOTHER WAY OF TAKING ADVANTAGE, QUITE FRANKLY, WHAT IS A BEAUTIFUL CIRCLE WITHOUT DESTROYING THAT BEAUTIFUL CIRCLE AND GIVING A MORE, ANOTHER MEANS OF ACCESSING THE BEACH IN THE PARKING LOTS THAT ARE ADJACENT.
SO, UM, IT WOULD BE ANOTHER, UM, AS PER THE SYSTEMS, IT WOULD BE ANOTHER IN INTENTIONAL CROSSING OF THE CIRCLE MEANT TO NOT ONLY PROVIDE FOR PEDESTRIANS, BUT TO SLOW TRAFFIC DOWN AS WELL.
SO, UH, BACK IN THE DAY THERE USED TO BE PARKING WITHIN THAT CIRCLE AND IT WAS REMOVED AND, AND AS YOU MENTIONED BEFORE, A PATH OF LEAST RESISTANCE.
I DON'T SEE PEOPLE CUTTING THROUGH THERE ANYMORE TRYING TO GET TO THE BEACH BECAUSE THEY WANT TO GO TO THE SAFER HAWK SIGNAL OR FURTHER DOWN ON, ON NORTH FORCE BEACH.
SO I MIGHT AGREE WITH YOU ON THAT, ALEX, THAT YEAH, I AGREE AS WELL.
AND, AND YEAH, IT'S OKAY TO CROSS THERE AT HOPE AVENUE, BUT WHEN YOU GET TO THE DROPOFF AT KNE, THAT'S A BAD COSTING AREA.
UH, YOU CAN, IN FACT, I THINK THAT WORSE SAFETY IN THAT AREA, RIGHT? I'M COOL ON THE IDEA AS WELL.
CAN WE BACK UP TO, TO LAGOON THAT THAT CROSSING HAS BOTHERED ME EVER SINCE IT WAS CONSTRUCTED.
THERE'S NO SAFE PEDESTRIAN REFUGE GOING ACROSS THERE.
UM, IT, IT NEEDS TO BE AN ALL STOP WITH NO RIGHT TURNS, IN MY VIEW.
UM, AND I'VE BEEN BEGGING FOR SOMETHING TO HAPPEN DIFFERENTLY ABOUT THAT.
IT IT'S A, IT'S A HORRIBLE CROSSING FOR PEDESTRIANS AND BICYCLISTS, AND WE HAVE A LOT OF FOLKS CROSSING THERE.
ONE, YEAH, LAGOON RIGHT THERE.
WE'RE ACROSS FROM LOW COUNTRY CELEBRATION PARK PARKING AREA.
SO WHEN YOU HAVE FOLKS EMPTYING OUT OF THE PARKING, UH, THE BEACH PARKING AND LOW CALIBRATION PARKING, THEY'RE TURNING LEFT WHILE THE SIGNAL IS TELLING PEDESTRIANS AND BICYCLISTS TO CROSS THERE.
AND YOU'VE GOT RIGHT TURNS COMING OFF OF LAGOON AT THE SAME TIME.
SO IT'S, UH, YOU, YOU, YOU MAY AS WELL GO CROSS THERE,
THERE'S, THERE'S OPPORTUNITIES THERE TO EXPLORE DOING, UM, PEDESTRIAN SCRAMBLES THERE.
AND I THINK HAVING THAT RACE, UM, CROSSING REALLY HELPS KIND OF ELEVATE, AND THIS IS A SPACE, AS BRIAN SAID EARLIER, IT'S MORE URBAN, IF YOU WILL, AND THAT REALLY THE PRIORITY NEEDS TO BE TO THE PERSON ON THE BIKE OR THE PEDESTRIAN.
AND I THINK RAMBLE, UM, SPECIFICALLY AS WE'VE LIKE NARROWED DOWN, UM, THE CROSS SECTION A LITTLE BIT, THAT IS SOMETHING THAT REALLY GIVES THE PRIORITY AND GO WHICHEVER WAY YOU WANT.
UM, AND THE, AND THE, AND THE SECOND IS, IS THE VEHICLE.
SO I THINK THAT IS AN OPTION TO EXPLORE ARE ON THE WAY, BUT I THINK THAT WOULD BE A GREAT OPTION FOR THAT.
AND MAYOR, I THINK THIS IS WHERE WE NEED SOMETHING RIGHT AWAY.
I GET ON MY KNEES AND BEG IF I COULD, I I WOULD DO IT RIGHT NOW IF THAT WOULD HELP.
SO, UM, I I, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, AND MARK PLEASE CORRECT ME, BUT THAT INTERSECTION HAS ALREADY BEEN IDENTIFIED BY D O T IS A PROBLEM.
AND I THINK THERE'S SOME, SOME CONVERSATIONS THAT ARE TAKING PLACE ON THAT.
UM, SO LOOK FOR SOMETHING THERE
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RATHER THAN THAT.BRIAN, BRIAN THOUGHT COMES TO MY MIND THAT THIS SECTION OF THE ROAD ALMOST GETS TO THE POINT WHERE THE PEDESTRIAN HAS THE RIGHT OF WAY, IF YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT I'M SAYING.
IT'S ONLY HELPING THAT, THAT NASSAU CROSSING, CAUSE PEOPLE DO THAT ALL THE TIME.
THEY'RE LOW COUNTRY CELEBRATION PARK AND WANT TO GO GET SOMETHING TO EAT CROSS RIGHT THERE.
AND TH AND THERE WILL BE, IT'LL BE A COMBINATION OF EFFORTS HERE, RIGHT? THE ADAPTIVE TRAFFIC SIGNAL, THIS IS A LOCATION WHERE THAT'S GOING, WHEREAS THE BIKE AND, AND PAD DETECTION, UM, POTENTIALLY TO RAISE TABLES HERE, THE CHANGING CHARACTER, UM, THAT'S BEING PROPOSED.
IF WE GO TO THIS LAST SLIDE, BRIAN, UM, WE'LL WILL HELP WITH SOME OF THAT.
UM, THIS HAS MORE, SOME MORE TRAFFIC COMING, UM, MORE OF A COMPLETE STREET OPPORTUNITY HERE.
IT DOES MAKE WIDER PATHWAY SEC SECTIONS HERE TO ACCOMMODATE MORE USERS.
AND THE CROSSINGS THAT ARE PROPOSED ARE TO TRY TO REDUCE THE VOLUME AT THAT ONE LOCATION THAT CURRENTLY EXIST.
SO I THINK THERE'S SOME BENEFITS THAT WE'LL SEE, UH, FROM, FROM APPLICATION OF THESE, THESE ITEMS. JOHN, IF YOU COULD, UM, SINCE IT'S BEEN MENTIONED SEVERAL TIMES, JUST PROVIDE A QUICK UPDATE ON THE, UH, TRAFFIC LIGHTS INTEGRATION.
WE, UM, I'VE FINALIZED THE INSTALLATION OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE.
UM, THE LAST TWO WEEKS OF JULY ARE WHEN THAT THEY WILL BE TURN, THEY'LL BE TURNING THE SYSTEM ON AND OFF TO TEST.
UM, AND THE, THE SYSTEM SHOULD GO COMPLETELY LIVE HERE IN EARLY TO MID AUGUST.
UM, THAT, THAT TURNING IT ON AND OFF ALLOWS US TO CALIBRATE, UM, AND TO UNDERSTAND THE OPERATIONAL CONDITIONS THAT EXIST.
WE ANTICIPATE THAT EVERYTHING WILL BE OPERATIONAL BY, BY MID TO LATE AUGUST.
UM, I, I THINK THIS IS ABSOLUTELY PHENOMENAL AND, AND WE'VE HAD, YOU KNOW, THREE HOURS WE'RE GONNA GET TO PUBLIC COMMENT IN A MINUTE, UM, BUT IT'S, YOU KNOW, WHAT A GREAT PRESENTATION AND A LOT OF INFORMATION FOR US TO DIGEST.
UM, ONE THING THAT I I'M GONNA THROW OUT TO YOU TO CONSIDER FUTURISTIC, UH, TO CONSIDER IS, UM, THE TIME THAT A, WHEN LIGHTS CHANGE, THE TIME FROM A GREEN TO A RED OR RED TO A GREEN, THAT IT BE EXTENDED BECAUSE WE'VE GOT A TREMENDOUS PROBLEM WITH PEOPLE NOT STOPPING FOR RED LIGHTS OR YELLOW LIGHTS.
UM, I KNOW THAT THERE'S A A THERE'S A BASELINE WITHIN THE STATE, BUT IF WE CAN LOOK AT THAT AND TRY TO UNDERSTAND THAT FROM Y'ALL'S PERSPECTIVE OF INCREASING THAT DELAY TIME, SO YOU KNOW, WHEN IT, MAYBE IT'S, YOU KNOW, TWO LIGHTS THAT ARE RED AND HALF A SECOND OR A SECOND LATER RETURNS GREEN, UM, JUST TO PREVENT THESE RUNNING RED LIGHTS BECAUSE IT'S BECOME A REAL ISSUE.
UH, ANY OTHER COMMENTS FROM COUNSEL? JUST QUICKLY THAT, UH, POP AVENUE CIRCLE AREA IN MY WRITTEN COMMENTS TO THE STAFF I MENTIONED THAT, UM, WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU GO ON AROUND THE CIRCLE AND GO SOUTH FOREST BEACH WHERE IT, IT LEAVES AND BECOMES DOUBLE LANES, PARTICULARLY AT THE ALLEY AND THAT PEDESTRIAN CROSSING IS DANGEROUS.
AND I THINK WE NEED TO ADD SOMETHING ABOUT THAT.
AND THEN ALSO GOING THE OTHER DIRECTION, NORTH, NORTH FOREST BEACH TO ABSET, THOSE CROSSING AREAS REALLY NEED TO BE A PART OF THIS FOCUS RIGHT NOW.
BEST FRIENDS CROSSING ONE LANE OF TRAFFIC AND, AND THAT'S WHERE I USED TO LIVE IN SOUTH FOREST BEACH AREA AND GO RIGHT ACROSS IT TO ALLEY IN THERE.
AND, UM, I'VE GRABBED ALL THE LITTLE KIDS I COULD AND HOLD 'EM AS BEST I COULD
THAT'S WHY WE'RE LOOKING AT BOTH OF THOSE SECTIONS OF NORTH AND SOUTH FOREST BEACH TO DEAL WITH THOSE PEDESTRIAN BIKE ISSUES.
[5. Appearance by Citizens: ]
OKAY.WE'LL MOVE ON TO APPEARANCE BY CITIZENS.
I'D LIKE TO REMIND OUR CITIZENS THAT SECTION TWO DASH FIVE DASH 70, THE TOWNS CODE LIMITS EACH PERSON TO THREE MINUTES WHEN ADDRESSING TOWN.
COUNSEL, AT THE END OF THE THREE MINUTES, YOU'RE ASKED TO CONCLUDE YOUR COMMENTS.
PLEASE MAINTAIN A DECORUM SUITABLE FOR THE MEETING AND REFRAIN FROM USING A APPIAN ABUSIVE LANGUAGE.
IF YOU HAVE ANY MATERIALS YOU'D LIKE TO GIVE TO TOWN COUNSEL, PLEASE GIVE THEM TO THE TOWN CLERK AFTER YOU'RE FINISHED SPEAKING.
KIMBERLY, DO WE HAVE ANY ANYBODY SIGNED UP TO SPEAK? I HAVE TO.
SKIP HOAGLAND HOAGLAND, UH, SKIP HOAGLAND WINDMILL HARBOR.
WHAT SADDENS ME FOR ALL RESIDENTS AND TAXPAYERS IS WE HAVE ELECTED HIRED KICK THE CAN OFFICIALS WHO HAVE ALLOWED THEMSELVES TO BE CONTROLLED BY THE SPECIAL INTEREST GROUPS.
THE GIC GREATER ISLAND COUNCIL AND THE CHAMBER AND WORSE HAVE ALLOWED THESE SECRET PRIVATE GROUPS TO CONTROL MAKE THEM FREE MEMBERS.
QUID PRO QUO SERVING IN THESE BASICALLY SECRET UNDERGROUND
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GOVERNMENT ORGANIZATIONS, WHICH IS A TREMENDOUS CONFLICT.ALL THESE SPECIAL INTEREST GROUPS CARE ABOUT IS MADE UP, WHO IS MADE UP OF BUILDERS, DEVELOPERS, REAL ESTATE INVESTORS.
CHAMBER TOURISM INTEREST IS PROFIT AND STUFFING AND CRAMMING AS MANY PEOPLE AS POSSIBLE ONTO THIS FRAGILE ISLAND AND ECOSYSTEM FOR THEIR GREED AND THEIR PROFITS.
TO HECK WITH THE RESIDENTS IN OUR ENVIRONMENT.
I HAVE LIVED HERE FOR 47 YEARS.
LIKE MANY FOR THE CHARLES FRAZIER VISION, NONE OF US SIGNED UP FOR THIS TYPE OF DISHONEST AND DYSFUNCTIONAL LOCAL GOVERNMENT.
HONEST, PUBLIC SERVICE IS APPRECIATED.
AND A PART-TIME WEEK MAYOR DOES NOT WORK.
TO ADD FOLKS HAVE HAVE MANY CAR TO ADD FOLKS.
HOW MANY CARS CAN FIT ON ONE ROAD FROM HILTON HEAD I 95? AND WHERE WILL WE BE IN 10 YEARS WITH THE, WITH THE, WITH THE UNCONTROLLABLE GROWTH IN BLUFFTON AND HARDY BILL? THIS IS NOT JUST A HILTON HEAD PROBLEM.
WE HAVE NO MASTER LAND PLANS TO GUIDE US INTO PERPETUITY.
SIX POUNDS AND A FIVE POUND BAG DOES NOT WORK.
I THINK IMPROVEMENTS TO OUR LOCAL INFRASTRUCTURE OR BIKE PATHS, ET CETERA, ET CETERA, MAKES GOOD PERFECT SENSE FOR RESIDENTS AND EXISTING TOURISM.
THE BRIDGE IS NOTHING BUT A STENT FOR YOUR HEART AND A WASTE OF 350 MILLION JUST REPLACE THE OUT DATED, POTENTIALLY DANGEROUS BRIDGES THAT WE HAVE.
AGAIN, WITH NO MASTER LAND PLANS IN THE ENTIRE BEFORD COUNTY HAS TURNED US INTO JUST ANOTHER JONI MITCHELL SONG.
YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU GOT UNTIL IT'S GONE.
3 MILLION TOURISTS ADVERSELY AFFECTING TRAFFIC AND 45 MILLION LOCALS WHO HAVE MOVED HERE FOR A A PEACEFUL, SAFE, CLEAN ENVIRONMENT MUST BE ADDRESSED IN THESE STUDIES.
IT'S BECOME A VERY SERIOUS PROBLEM.
WE HAVE ALL ALLOWED THIS SLOW GROWING CANCER TO GROW AGAIN CAUSED BY KICK THE CAN DOWN OFFICIALS IN FAVOR OF SPECIAL INTERESTS, NO MASTER LAND PLANS.
NOW WE HAVE TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO STOP AND REMOVE IT BEFORE IT KILLS US.
TRYING TO BE ANOTHER SAVANNAH CHARLESTON IN MYRTLE BEACH IS LUDICROUS.
AND I'M VERY SORRY FOR ALL OF US IN THIS SITUATION.
I BLAME OUR LAST TOWN MANAGER, STEVE RILEY AND HIS CHAMBER LAWYERS AND THE GIC.
LASTLY, WHERE DOES ALL THIS MONEY COME FROM? JUST MORE TENS OF MILLIONS PAID BY TAXPAYERS.
WE NEED A FULL-TIME CHARLES FRAZIER, C E O TYPE MAYOR WITH A VISION AND PAY HIM 500,000 TO CLEAN UP THIS MESS.
NOT A MAYOR WHO COMMITS FINANCIAL FRAUD.
YOU NEED TO BE REMOVED FROM OFFICE.
MR. PERRY, KIMBERLY, DO WE HAVE ANYBODY ELSE SIGNED UP? FRANK ABEL, FIRST OF ALL, I WOULD SAY I'D LIKE TO SAY I'M HERE ABOUT SAFETY AND I THANK YOU GUYS DID A WONDERFUL JOB.
STAFF AND THE PEOPLE WHO WERE INVOLVED IN THIS STUDY, YOU DELIVERED THE BEEF.
YOU KNOW, AS THEY SAY, WHERE'S THE BEEF MAN? YOU DELIVERED THE BEEF.
WE'VE GOT SOME THINGS TO DO, BUT YOU DID A GREAT JOB.
SO JUST A LITTLE BACKGROUND BACK IN THE DAY, UH, WHEN WE STARTED THIS JOURNEY, THE WAY WE ADDRESSED SAFETY WAS STEVE ALFRED, MYSELF AND DARREN SHOEMAKER WENT OUT AND WE WENT TO THE PLACES THAT PEOPLE WERE GETTING HIT AND WE LOOKED AT 'EM AND SAID, WELL, WE GOTTA CHANGE SOME THINGS.
AND SO MITIGATIONS WERE MADE, CHANGES WERE MADE, AND WE KEPT THE CRASH RATE DOWN AND WE DID THIS.
AND IT WAS AN INCREMENTAL APPROACH.
BUT AFTER A WHILE WE REALIZED THAT SHELTER COVE, UH, WE HAD, WE HAD A PROBLEM GETTING PEOPLE ACROSS THE STREET.
AND SO A QUARTER'S APPROACH WAS TAKEN AND, YOU KNOW, THE RESULTS, IT REALLY WORKED.
AND IT'S JUST A GREAT SUCCESS.
POPE AB ALSO WAS CHANGED AND THAT WAS A GREAT SUCCESS.
SO THE CORRIDOR'S APPROACH FOR YOU, COUNCIL FOLKS, THIS IS THE WAY TO GO.
WE DON'T WANT TO GO BACK TO STEVE, YOU KNOW, DARREN AND MYSELF GOING OUT TO CORNERS.
WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE CORRIDOR APPROACH IS WITH THE WAY WE HANDLE THIS SITUATION, BUT WE THINK THERE'S SOME OTHER ELEMENTS YOU NEED TO THINK ABOUT.
THESE INCLUDE THE NEED TO REDUCE SPEED, PROVIDE ENFORCEMENT, AND ENCOURAGE COURTESY.
SPEEDING AND SAFETY ARE TWO DIFFERENT THINGS.
THEY DON'T COME TOGETHER ALL THE TIME.
YOU'VE GOT TO MAKE DECISIONS ABOUT WHAT'S IMPORTANT, SPEEDING OR SAFETY.
AND STUDIES SHOW THAT YOU CAN BASICALLY SLOW SPEED UP OR SLOW DOWN AND, AND GET MORE TRAFFIC THROUGH.
AND I'LL HAND OUT SOMETHING AFTER THIS IS OVER.
AND I THINK THERE'S SOME ROADWAYS
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AROUND HERE WHERE PEOPLE ARE JUST DRIVING TOO FAST AND THE SPEED LIMITS SHOULD BE REDUCED.ENFORCEMENTS, WE SHOULDN'T HAVE BLUE LIGHTS EVERYWHERE, BUT WE'VE GOT A COUPLE OF PROBLEMS. WE HAVE TOO MANY PEOPLE THAT ARE RUNNING RED LIGHTS NOW.
WE HAVE TOO MANY PEOPLE WHO ARE GOING THROUGH, UH, THROUGH RED LIGHTS AND THEY'RE GONNA HIT PEOPLE.
SO I'D RECOMMEND, AND I RECOMMEND TO BOB PUT SOME, PUT SOME SHERIFFS OUT THERE TO LOOK AT THIS, GIVE THESE PEOPLE TICKETS.
DO IT IN HIGH VISIBILITY AREAS.
AND LAST, THIS IS A SAFETY PROJECT.
IT ISN'T JUST ABOUT NEEDED INFRASTRUCTURE, IT'S ABOUT ATTITUDE AND COURTESY.
IT'S ABOUT PUBLIC EDUCATION ON VEHICLE BIKE AND PEDESTRIAN ETIQUETTE AND OUR LAWS.
IT'S ABOUT CREATING A CULTURE OF RESPECT FOR OUR ROADS, PATHWAYS, AND BEACHES.
IT'S ABOUT EVALUATING HOW THE OFFICE IS WORKING OUT AND THEN SHARING IT WITH BEAUFORT COUNTY AND THE POA SO THEY CAN ALSO IMPLEMENT IT.
SO CONTINUED IMPROVEMENT IS BETTER THAN DELAYED.
WAIT, UH, JOCELYN, SHE DID ASK ME IF SHE COULD SPEAK EARLIER AND YES.
JOCELYN STEIGER, UH, GOVERNMENT AFFAIRS DIRECTOR FOR THE HEALTH HEAD THAT AREA REALTORS.
UM, I HAD JUST MENTIONED, UM, DURING THE BREAK THAT I'M VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THE ENTRANCE FOR DREESEN BEACH ON BRADLEY BEACH ROAD.
HUNDREDS AND HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE PARK AT THE END OF THAT ROAD IN THAT PARKING LOT.
THEY GO UP AND DOWN THAT ROAD EVERY DAY.
AND TO TURN LEFT OFF OF WILLIAM HILTON PARKWAY, THERE'S JUST A VERY TINY LEFT TURN LANE THAT HOLDS TWO CARS.
SO THERE'S, IT'S, IT'S A VERY DANGEROUS, DANGEROUS PLACE.
YOU ALMOST GET REAR-ENDED TRYING TO TURN LEFT.
AND I'M CONCERNED THAT EVERYBODY'S FOCUSED ON THE BURKE BEACH INTERSECTION AND THEY'RE GONNA FORGET WHAT'S HAPPENING AT BRADLEY BEACH ROAD.
UM, THE OTHER COMMENT I WANTED TO MAKE IS, UH, POSSIBLY WHEN YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT CYCLISTS, MY HUSBAND IS AN AVID CYCLIST AND YOU'RE COMING OFF THE CROSS ISLAND PARKWAY, YOU'RE HITTING 30 MILES PER HOUR PROBABLY ON YOUR BIKE.
UM, YOU CAN'T BE ON THE BIKE PATH.
MAYBE WE SHOULD THINK ABOUT A BIKE LANE.
UM, IT, IT'S DANGEROUS FOR SOMEONE TO BIKE ON OUR BIKE PATHS AT THAT RATE OF SPEED AND THEY'RE COMING DOWN AND THEY DO IT AND THEY USE IT A LOT.
UM, FIRST OF ALL, THANK UH, BRIAN AND TEAM, UH, WELL DONE.
UM, THE, THE ONE PIECE OF THE SYSTEMS THAT WE HAVE NOT SPENT A WHOLE LOT OF TIME ON IS THE TRANSIT.
AND CURIOUS TO KNOW, UH, WE GOING TO HAVE THE SAME TYPE OF EXERCISE WHERE WE SIT AROUND THE TABLE AND TALK ABOUT THAT.
UM, IT SEEMS TO, UH, NOT GET THE INTEREST, UM, THAT THE CAUSE AND BIKES AND PS GET.
UM, SO I'M JUST, I KNOW IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IN THE PAST.
I THINK IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE ARE DEFINITELY LACKING.
UM, THERE'S NO WAY WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION AROUND IT.
WE WILL NOT SURE WHEN, BUT WE WILL.
ANY OTHER DISCUSSION BEING NONE? IS THERE A MOTION TO ADJOURN? NO MOVE.