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          THE 6:00 YOU PLEASE STANDING JOIN ME FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE JUST TO MY UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO HOLLYWOOD WHICH SAYS ONE NATION THE NATION INDIVISIBLE WITH 
          [4. APPROVAL OF MINUTES – June 5, 2023]
LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. THANK YOU. WITH ALL THIS HAS BEEN ACCOMPLISHED APPROVAL OF THE MIDDLE TO JUNE 5TH SO MOVED LET ME ASK FOR COMMENT FIRST ARE THERE ANY ANY ANY CORRECTIONS ADDITIONS? NO, I JUST HAVE A QUESTION. 
          SHERMAN, DID YOU FIND IN THE MATERIAL THAT YOU'VE RECEIVED FROM THE ATTORNEY WHO REPRESENTED THE PLANNING COMMISSION THAT THEY CONFORM TO WHAT WAS IN THE MINUTES BUT I JUST DIDN'T WANT TO SEE ANY DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WHAT YOU PRESENTED TO US. 
          YES. WHAT YOU SAW. YES. 
          OKAY. I MAY HAVE A MOTION I WILL READ THIS MY SECOND I'LL SAY ALL 
          [6. CITIZEN COMMENTS – NON-AGENDA ITEMS]
THOSE IN FAVOR I SAY ALL RIGHT CITIZEN COMMENTS. THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR NON AGENDA ITEMS SOMEBODY WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON A NON AGENDA ITEM. 
          I HAVE 3 MINUTES WHEN YOU GET TO COME UP THE FRONT AND INTRODUCE YOURSELF NAME AND LOCATION WHERE YOU LIVE AND I WOULD ASK THAT YOU BE RESPECTFUL OF THE AUDIENCE 
          [7. PROPOSED TEXT AMENDMENT TO ARTICLE 7, DIVISION 7.4, SECTION 7.4.50 (PUBLIC HEARING SCHEDULING AND NOTICE) AND SECTION 7.4.70 (PUBLIC HEARING PROCEDURES) TO CLARIFY THAT PUBLIC COMMENT IS NOT TAKEN FOR APPEALS TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION OR THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS]
MEMBERS AND THE PEOPLE UP HERE ON THE DAIS. NO GENERAL COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC. ALL RIGHT. LET'S GO TO OUR FIRST ACTION OF THE EVENING. IF THEY PROPOSED TAX AMENDMENT TO ARTICLE SEVEN, THERE'S A 7.474.50 PUBLIC HEARING SCHEDULING NOTICE IN SECTION SEVEN FOR SEVERAL PUBLIC HEARING PROCEDURES TO CLARIFY PUBLIC COMMENT IS NOT TAKEN FOR ADMINISTRATIVE APPEALS TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION OR THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS. OKAY. 
          YES, MR. MERCHANT MR. CHAIRMAN MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION WHAT WE HAVE FOR CONSIDERATION TONIGHT IS A PROPOSED AMENDMENT TO ARTICLE SEVEN AND WHAT THIS WOULD DO IS THAT IT WOULD AFFECT PUBLIC FOR TWO VERY SPECIFIC OCCURRENCES. ONE WOULD BE AN APPEAL TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND WOULD BE APPEAL TO THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS BOTH THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND THE ZBA OR ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS. THEY OCCASIONALLY HEAR APPEALS FROM ANY AGREED PARTY AFFECTED BY A DECISION MADE BY I STAFF AND BASICALLY THE PLANNING COMMISSION HEARS APPEALS TO THINGS THAT ARE RELATED TO SUBDIVISION AND LAND DEVELOPMENT AND THE ZONING OF APPEALS HEARS APPEALS TO A 17 DECISION AND WHEN EITHER OF THESE BODIES HEAR APPEALS THEY FOLLOW WHAT IS KNOWN AS A QUASI JUDICIAL PROCESS. 
          SO YOU'RE BASICALLY HEARING EVIDENCE AND THEN MAKING A DETERMINATION BASED ON THAT EVIDENCE AND OUR CODE SPECIFICALLY YOU, YOU KNOW, ADDRESSES THIS BY SAYING THAT THE EVIDENCE THAT NEEDS TO BE CONSIDERED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION IN MAKING THE HAS TO BE THOSE THAT STAFF USED IN MAKING ITS DECISION SO YOU KNOW AND I THINK THIS IS ALL FRESH IN YOUR MIND YOU KNOW LAST MONTH THE APPEAL THE PINE ISLAND GOLF COURSES YOU WERE LOOKING AT EXHIBITS THAT WERE EITHER THE PLANS THAT WERE REVIEWED OR THE CORRESPONDENCE OCCURRED DURING THAT PROCESS IN THERE WHERE THERE IS SOME CONFUSION IS IN THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT CODE WHEN WE SPEAK ABOUT THE PROCESS OF PUBLIC HEARING AND EVEN WHEN AN APPEAL OCCURS IT'S STILL A PUBLIC HEARING. THE PUBLIC HEARING SECTION TALKS ABOUT RECEIVING PUBLIC COMMENT AND FROM DISCUSSION WITH THE COUNTY ATTORNEYS AND LOOKING AT THE WAY THIS HAS HISTORICALLY BEEN DONE THAT PUBLIC COMMENT IS NOT RECEIVED FOR THESE APPEALS BECAUSE THAT'S INTRODUCING NEW EVIDENCE THAT WAS NOT CONSIDERED BY STAFF WHEN THEY MADE A DECISION AND IN IS THE OPINION OF STAFF AND ALSO THE COUNTY ATTORNEYS THAT INTRODUCING PUBLIC COMMENT WHEN AN APPEALS BEING HEARD COULD INTRODUCE OR SWAY A DECISION OF PLANNING COMMISSION THAT COULD OPEN IT UP TO BEGIN FURTHER APPEALED ONCE A 
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DECISION WAS MADE BECAUSE KNOW THE PERSON WHO IS FILING THE APPEAL WOULD BE SAYING WELL YOU'RE BASING YOUR DECISION ON EVIDENCE THAT WAS BROUGHT FORWARD AT THAT MEETING AND NOT WHAT STAFF USE WHEN IT MADE THAT DECISION. SO THE REVISION OR THE PROPOSED AMENDMENTS OR BRINGING FORWARD OR TO CLARIFY THIS SO IT'S STILL A PUBLIC HEARING THE PUBLIC IS IS IN ATTENDANCE FOR THESE APPEALS YOU KNOW YOU'RE NOT HEARING PUBLIC COMMENT. 
          OKAY QUESTIONS. ROB, IS THERE A WAY THAT THERE COULD BE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE PUBLIC TO HAVE COMMENT IF THE CHAIR SAID THIS IS A SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT, YOU KNOW, VENUE? SO WHAT I'M HEARING YOU SAYING AND I UNDERSTAND IT IS THAT IF THERE'S THIS QUASI JUDICIAL FORMAT IT'S LIKE EVERYTHING IS IN A BOX LIKE EVERYTHING THAT WE HAVE DECIDED STAFF HAS DECIDED OUR INTERACTIONS ARE KIND OF IN A BOX AND WE'RE IN THE APPEAL PROCESS AND YOU CAN'T KIND OF GO OUT OF THAT BOX AND JUSTIFICATION FOR NOT HAVING THE OPPORTUNITY PUBLIC COMMENT IS THAT IT WOULD RAISE ISSUES THAT ARE NOT ADDRESSED IN THE BOX. 
          I GUESS I AND I THINK MANY OF MY COLLEAGUES HERE REALLY CARE ABOUT PUBLIC COMMENT PIECE IS THERE OTHER WAY TO HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT BE ACCEPTED? I MEAN I KNOW IT'S HARD IT WOULD AFFECT US, CORRECT? I MEAN IF IF SOMEBODY'S STANDING THERE IT WOULD PROBABLY AFFECT OUR DECISION MAKING RIGHT. BUT IS THERE ANY OTHER VENUE IS THERE SOMETHING IS THERE ANOTHER THAT'S POSSIBLE? ARE THERE COULD PEOPLE DO ELECTRONICALLY? WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY IS I REALLY WANT TO PRESERVE IN ANY WAY THAT I IT'S IMPORTANT TO HAVE THAT PUBLIC COMMENT ON THE RECORD ALTHOUGH I UNDERSTAND WHAT THE JUDICIAL PART MEANS THAT WE ACTED DESCRIBED IT IN THE BOX. 
          I MEAN I'LL MAKE A COMPARISON KNOW WHEN THE STAFF REVIEW TEAM WHEN WE REVIEW PROJECTS WE ARE WEIGHING SOLELY ON THE CODE SAYS ABOUT THE DEVELOPMENT SO YOU KNOW THE NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES THE SETBACK ALL OF THAT IS BASED ON NUMBERS THAT ARE IN THE CODE THE PUBLIC IS WELCOME YOU KNOW WE IF A PUBLIC WANTS TO ATTEND A MEETING OF THE STAFF TEAM THEY CAN WITH THEIR COMMENTS ARE NOT GOING TO HAVE ANY DIFFERENCE ABOUT WHETHER A DEVELOPMENT MEETS A SETBACK OR NOT. AND YOU KNOW, SO I AS A YOU KNOW, THE PLANNING DIRECTOR, I BELIEVE THAT I DON'T WANT TO INVITE PUBLIC COMMENT WHEN THAT PUBLIC COMMENT IS REALLY NOT SUPPOSED TO, YOU KNOW, INFLUENCE THE DECISION OF THE BODY I MEAN IT'S IT'S SORT OF LIKE, YOU KNOW, THE PUBLIC IS WELCOME TO ATTEND BUT IT'S WASTING THAT EFFORT ON SOMETHING THAT IS SUPPOSED TO BE CONSIDERED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION. 
          YOU KNOW. SO I MEAN IN THE CASE OF LIKE WHEN STAFF IS REVIEWING A DEVELOPMENT, THE IDEA IS THAT WHEN THE THE ZONING AND SUBDIVISION REGULATIONS WERE APPROVED THAT WENT THROUGH A PUBLIC PROCESS. NOW WE'RE SIMPLY USING THOSE TOOLS TO, YOU KNOW, REVIEW A DEVELOPMENT AND I THINK THIS IS SIMILAR IN THAT THAT YOU'RE YOU'RE LOOKING VERY AT A VERY SPECIFIC RELATED TO A YOU KNOW SO I DON'T WANT YOU KNOW PUT THE NOTION ON ED OR ON COUNTY COUNCIL AND VICE CHAIR MIKE ALLEN BUT I THINK BOTH ED AND VICE CHAIRMAN MIKE ALLEN USED TREMENDOUS DISCRETION MAKING THEM SLIGHTLY BUT IT WAS COUNTY COUNCIL BUT ED YOU KNOW, ALLOWED PEOPLE SPEAK MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC DURING THE APPEAL PROCESS SO I'M JUST NERVOUS IF WE MAKE I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU KNOW FOR NINE MONTHS YOU GUYS BEEN TRYING TO CLARIFY A OF AND TIGHTEN UP THE CDC I GET THAT BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SOME ELEMENT OF DISCRETION LEFT TO THE CHAIR OF THIS BODY SO I WONDER WHAT YOU THINK ABOUT THAT. WELL I MEAN THIS DOES NOT AFFECT THE REZONING. 
          IT DOESN'T AFFECT TEXT AMENDMENT IN THE CODE COMPREHENSIVE EVERY OTHER ACTION THE PLANNING COMMISSION TAKES. AND I YOU KNOW, SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE I'VE SEEN MAYBE THREE OF THREE OR FOUR APPEALS SO WE THIS MAYBE ONCE EVERY TWO OR THREE YEARS, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? AND I MEAN DIDN'T YOU IT FOR CLARIFICATION YEAH JUST YEAH CLARIFICATION THERE WERE NO PUBLIC COMMENTS DURING THE ADMINISTRATIVE APPEAL LAST MONTH WE DID NOT HAVE WHEN MR. TROIANO SPOKE. 
          NO THAT THAT WAS DURING THE FIRST THE REASON THAT WASN'T AN APPEAL THAT WAS NOT AN 
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ADMINISTRATIVE APPEAL RIGHT BUT WHEN HE HE WAS REPRESENTING THE APPLICANT. 
          YES CORRECT. BECAUSE HE WAS WE WE DO IT SINCE IT IS QUASI JUDICIAL DO HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO CALL WITNESSES OR SUBPOENA FOR ACCORDING TO THE RULES OF PROCEDURE WE'VE NEVER HAD AN OPPORTUNITY OR THOUGHT OF DOING THAT. 
          I THINK THIS IS VERY NARROWLY DEFINED AS APPLICABLE TO A MINISTRY OF APPEALS INVOLVING THE STAFF'S DECISION PROCESS BEING OR UNFAIR TO THE APPLICANT. 
          AND SO EVIDENCE OF THAT IS IN THE DOCUMENTATION BETWEEN THE TWO AND AS SUBMITTED BY BOTH PARTIES AND THERE IS NO OTHER ONE INVOLVED IN THAT UNLESS WE THAT THERE'S A TANGENTIAL WITNESS THAT WE FEEL NEEDS TO BE SUBPOENAED TO TESTIFY OR TO ONE SIDE OR THE OTHER OF THE ISSUE. SO THE TWO LAWYERS FOR THE COUNTY LAWYER AND THE DEVELOPER'S LAWYER BOTH SPOKE? THAT'S CORRECT. SO THEY NEEDED TO YOU KNOW, THEY WERE REPRESENTING THE APPLICANT AND THE COUNTY AND IN OUR CASE OUR ATTORNEY WAS REPRESENTING US. AND THE SECOND PART THAT I SIMPLY DON'T UNDERSTAND IS THAT IF WE VOTE ON THIS TONIGHT, DOES IT AUTOMATICALLY APPLY TO THE CPA WAY? I DIDN'T REALIZE THAT WE HAD KIND OF AUTHORITY OVER HOW THEIR JUDICIAL PROCESSES MOVE FORWARD. YEAH I MEAN ACTUALLY THE PLANNING COMMISSION YOU'RE MAKING RECOMMENDATIONS ABOUT LAWS AND THE SAME LAWS THAT GOVERN THE CPA OR IN THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT CODE . SO YOU KNOW YOU CAN HAVE WE HEARD FROM THEM DO WE HAVE A COMMENT FROM THEM ABOUT THIS? I MEAN THEY SEE APPEALS A LOT MORE OFTEN AND ARE THEY DO NOT SOLICIT COMMENT. I THINK THAT THE REASON THIS CAME UP IS THAT WAS A QUESTION BY THE ATTORNEY BECAUSE OUR AUDIENCE WAS WAS ON THE SUBJECT. 
          YES. BUT IT'S A GENERAL UNDERSTANDING THAT I WOULD SAY IT'S LIKE A COURTROOM. YOU KNOW, IF SOMEBODY IS IN A TRIAL THEY DON'T WANT NECESSARILY FROM THE AUDIENCE GIVING THEIR OPINION ON THAT. I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY THE BEST ANALOGY. YEAH. SO YEAH I MEAN THIS AFFECT THE CPA AS WELL BUT I'VE SEEN SEVERAL APPEALS IN THIS TIME BY THE WAY AND THEY DO NOT SOLICIT PUBLIC COMMENT. THE CHAIR OF THE CBO IS LIKE CHAIRMAN PAPPAS. 
          THEY'RE KIND OF THE JUDGE IN THIS SITUATION. YES AND WHAT WE'RE HEARING HERE, WHAT OUR RESPONSIBILITY IS IS TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION THAT ULTIMATELY GETS APPROVED OR NOT BY BY COUNTY COUNCIL. YEAH. THROUGH THE LAND USE COMMITTEE TO COUNTY COUNCIL AND I BELIEVE THREE READINGS AS WELL AND IN A PUBLIC HEARING. 
          YES. ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS IF NOT CAN I HAVE A CAN I HAVE A MOTION? I'LL BE BASHFUL BUT YES MR. CHAIRMAN I WOULD MOVE THAT WE RECOMMEND THAT PROPOSED TEXT AMENDMENT TO ARTICLE SEVEN DIVISION 7.4 SECTION 7.4 50 BE APPROVED OR RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL. SECOND I HAVE A RECOMMENDATION OR A MOTION FOR APPROVAL A RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL AND THE SECOND OR ANY OTHER OF ACCOUNTS A SECOND YES A 7.4.7 NO IT'S JUST EXACTLY YES. YEAH. 
          I THINK YOU ADMITTED ONE OF THE OKAY OR ANY OTHER COMMENTS SHOULD OKAY. 
          IF NOT MAY I HAVE A VOTE RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL OF THE TAX AMENDMENT ALL THOSE FAVOR. ONE, TWO, THREE OR FIVE OPPOSED . 
          ONE OPPOSED. OKAY. YEAH, IT PASSES AS A 
          [8. ZONING MAP AMENDMENT/REZONING REQUEST FOR 71.54 ACRES (R600 013 000 0008 0000 AND R600 013 000 0050 0000) LOCATED AT 1691 OKATIE HIGHWAY FROM T2 RURAL (T2R) TO T4 NEIGHBORHOOD CENTER (T4NC) AND T3 NEIGHBORHOOD (T3N) USING A VILLAGE PLACE TYPE OVERLAY (PTO) (ARTICLE 3 DIVISION 4 SECTION 80, ARTICLE 7 DIVISION 3 SECTION 50)]
RECOMMENDATION. GO FORWARD. THANK YOU. 
          ALL RIGHT. ISN'T THAT HARD? SO GETTING A MAP AMENDMENT REZONING REQUEST FOR 71.54 ACRES LOCATED AT 1691 OKATIE HIGHWAY 42 RURAL 2 TO 4 NEIGHBORHOODS CENTER E FOUR AND C AND D THREE NEIGHBORHOOD D AND THREE USING A VILLAGE PLACE TYPE OVERLAY ARTICLE THREE DIVISION FOUR SECTION 80 ARTICLE SEVEN DIVISION THREE SECTION 50 IT'S A LOT OF DIVISIONS. YEAH. 
          OKAY, WE'RE READY TO GO. OKAY, WELL I'D LIKE TO JUST PROVIDE OVERVIEW OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND THAT'S THAT IS BEING PROPOSED BY THE APPLICANT TODAY THE VILLAGE 
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PLACE TONIGHT JUST TO PROVIDE SOME CONTEXT AND THEN WHAT I WOULD LIKE START TO TALK ABOUT THE SPECIFICS OF WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED THE PLANNING COMMISSION I THINK YOU'RE USED HEARING THE ZONING MAP AMENDMENTS YOU KNOW WHERE THE QUESTION IS WHETHER OR NOT TO ZONE A PROPERTY YOU KNOW FROM T TO RURAL TO C FIVE REGIONAL CENTER MIXED USE AND YOU KNOW AND THEN THE QUESTION IS BROUGHT TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION YOU LOOK AT A NUMBER OF FACTORS THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND, THE AVAILABILITY OF INFRASTRUCTURE, ALL OF THAT YOU HAVE TO RENDER A DECISION AND REALLY THE DECISION IS TYPICALLY A YES OR NO RECOMMENDING TO COUNCIL TO TO TO MAKE THE AMENDMENTS ON THE MAP OR TO RECOMMEND DENIAL OF THE TOOL BEING PROPOSED TODAY IS I WOULD SAY A LITTLE MORE LIKE THE CLASSIC PLAN UNIT DEVELOPMENT. THIS IS A TOOL THAT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IDENTIFIES AS A WAY TO FUTURE REZONINGS AND THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN VERY PRESCRIPTIVE ABOUT WHERE THESE ARE LOCATED AND WHAT THIS ALLOWS. SO IN THE CONFERENCE A PLAN HAVE A I MEAN IF YOU COULD ZOOM OUT A LITTLE BIT THAT THIS IS THE 170 CORRIDOR S GOOD OR FAIR THAT'S PERFECT THIS IS THE 170 CORRIDOR BASICALLY FROM THE GARVEY'S CORNER THE INTERSECTION TO 7170 AT THE BOTTOM GOING NORTH TOWARD OLDFIELD AND WHAT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN RECOMMENDS ON THAT CORRIDOR RATHER TO HAVE CONTINUOUS SPRAWL ON THE COUNTY SIDE TO WHERE THERE IS DEVELOPMENT THAT THAT DEVELOPMENT WOULD BE MORE CONCENTRATED AND COORDINATED BE MORE WALKABLE AND IN BETWEEN AREAS OF THOSE WOULD BE AREAS THAT ARE RURAL OR PRESERVED RIGHT NOW IN THE 170 CORRIDOR WE ALREADY HAVE A PATTERN OF DEVELOPMENT. IF YOU GO FROM GARVEY'S CORNER AND GO NORTH THERE'S A BIT OF COMMERCIAL WITH OKATIE CENTER AND THEN YOU HAVE LANDED UNDER CONSERVATION EASEMENT YOU KNOW BARREL LANDING. IF THAT'S THE PALMER PROPERTY THEN YOU HAVE RIVER BEND THEN YOU HAVE SOME MORE LAND THAT'S UNDER EASEMENT AND THEN YOU HAVE WHAT ORIGINALLY WAS THREE PLANNED TWO DEVELOPMENTS THAT WERE APPROVED IN 2007 2008 WHICH IS HAS TURNED INTO OR MIDLAND BLUFF AND RIVER OAKS AND OKATIE ELEMENTARY AND THEN YOU HAVE SOME ADDITIONAL PRESERVED LAND YOUR OLD FIELD AND SO THE IDEA IS TO CONTINUE THAT PATTERN OF DEVELOPMENT BUT THE YOU HAVE ON THE MAP THESE CIRCLES THAT KIND OF INDICATE WHERE WHERE THERE IS GOING TO BE FUTURE GROWTH WHERE THOSE AREAS SHOULD BE AND WHAT THE PLAN RECOMMENDS IS THAT WHERE YOU HAVE THESE NODES OF GROWTH THAT RATHER THAN SIMPLY A STRAIGHTFORWARD REZONING IT WOULD BE A PLACE TYPE OVERLAY AND WHAT THAT IS IS THAT IT ALLOWS IN OUR CODES AND THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT CODE THERE'S A SECTION THAT TALKS ABOUT OKAY THERE ARE DIFFERENT TYPES OF PLACES THERE'S VILLAGE THERE'S HAMLETS AND THERE'S RURAL CROSSROADS. 
          THE IDEA IS CLOSER TO MUNICIPALITY OR DEVELOPMENT. YOU CAN HAVE A LARGER SCALE COMMUNITY VILLAGE TYPE AS YOU GO IN AND GET INTO THE RURAL AREASSSSSSSSS WHERE YOU WOULD HE HAMLETS OR RURAL CROSSROADS STILL OR SMALL OR NODES MUCH SMALLER IN SCALE SO ORDINANCE KIND OF PRESCRIBES THE CHARACTER OF WHAT THESE AREAS LOOK LIKE THE TYPES OF DISTRICTS BUT IT ALSO REQUIRES THAT THE APPLICANT NOT ONLY SHOW HOW THE AREA IS GOING TO BE ZONED BUT SHOW HOW THE ROADS WILL BE LAID OUT OR THE OPEN SPACE IS GOING TO BE, YOU KNOW, WHERE THE CENTER THE COMMUNITY IS GOING TO BE. ALL OF THESE THINGS ARE REQUIRED TO BE PROVIDED THE DEVELOPER AND SO WHAT YOU HAVE IS A TOOL THAT I WOULD SAY THAT THE ADVANTAGES OF THIS WHOLE THAT THE TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT THAT WOULD OCCUR IS MUCH MORE PRESCRIBED. I KNOW OFTEN TIMES WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT A REZONING AND SOMEBODY SAYING I'M GOING TO RESELL MY PROPERTY TO SEE FOR NEIGHBOR OR COMMUNITY CENTER REALLY THE ONLY ASSURANCE WE HAVE IS ANYTHING THAT'S PERMITTED IN THAT DISTRICT. 
          YOU KNOW IT'S VERY SOMEBODY THE DEVELOPER MAY HAVE A VISION FOR THAT PROPERTY BUT THAT VISION IS NOT LOCKED IN OTHER THAN WHAT THE ZONING ALLOWS TO THE ADVANTAGE OF THIS METHOD THE 
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PLACE TYPE OVERLAY IS IT NOT ONLY DOES IT PRESCRIBE WHAT THE ZONING DISTRICTS ARE BUT WHAT THE COMMUNITY GOING TO LOOK LIKE. AND IT ALSO GIVES THE PLANNING COMMISSION MORE ABILITY TO NEGOTIATE, YOU KNOW, OVER SITE PLAN THAT'S BEING PROPOSED AND THERE ARE A LOT OF ADVANTAGES TO THIS APPROACH. AND SO I GUESS I WANTED TO JUST START BY INTRODUCING THIS CONCEPT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT THE ORDINANCE ALWAYS ANTICIPATED THAT AS FUTURE COUNTY GROWS WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT GROW IN THIS FASHION RATHER THAN JUST SIMPLY SPRAWLING OUT BUT ALSO THE YOU KNOW THAT THIS IS A TOOL THAT IS RECOMMENDED IN COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AS WELL YOU KNOW THAT FOR FOR GROWTH OF THIS CORRIDOR IN ADDITION ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I THINK THAT IS UNIQUE TO THIS REZONING AND CERTAINLY A DIRECTION THAT WOULD LIKE TO GO IS STAFF AND SEE MORE OF IS MUCH MORE COORDINATED ACTION ON MAKING SURE THE REZONING IS COUPLED WITH COMMITMENTS TO INFRASTRUCTURE AND IMPROVEMENTS TO THE AREA ON 170 AND THIS AREA IN PARTICULAR ARE A LOT OF CONCERNS ABOUT TRAFFIC, ABOUT CIRCULATION AT OKATIE ELEMENTARY AND SO ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT HAS BEEN WORKING VERY CLOSELY WITH WHAT ARE THE FUTURE NEEDS BOTH ON SITE AND OFF SITE IN THIS AREA TO BEGIN TO CORRECT SOME OF THESE ISSUES AND ALLOW YOU KNOW THIS AREA IS GROW TO DO IT IN A WAY THAT YOU KNOW, ADDRESSES THESE ISSUES RATHER THAN SIMPLY COMPOUNDS AND THEN PUTS IT ON THE CALENDAR, YOU KNOW, FUNDED TO FUTURE DATE. SO ALL OF THESE THINGS WE'RE HOPING SEE ACCOMPLISHED THROUGH THIS DEVELOPMENT AND I THINK IS IS DAVIS GIVES YOU THE SPECIFICS YOU KNOW THERE MIGHT BE A FEW MORE QUESTIONS STILL HANGING OUT THERE WHETHER IT'S ACCOMPLISHING AND SO WE'LL KIND OF GO FOR THAT AND THEN KIND OF WHAT DIRECTION WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE THIS GO IF THIS DOES MOVE FORWARD TO ADDRESS QUESTIONS BY GENERAL NATURE TO YOU. YES. SO ANYBODY HAVE A JUST A GENERAL QUESTION LIKE ROGER JUST DESCRIBE TO US I'VE GOT ONE CHAIRMAN I'VE JUST GOT COUPLE BECAUSE AS I WAS LOOKING AT THIS AND LOOKING AT THESE DIFFERENT TYPES, YOU'VE GOT YOU KNOW, THE THE RURAL TYPE, THE HAMLET TYPE AND THE VILLAGE TYPE AND THEN THERE'S THERE'S ACREAGES IN THERE THAT'S INVOLVED AND THEN THERE'S OBVIOUSLY PERCENTAGES THAT ARE INVOLVED AS WELL AS AS FAR AS WHAT CAN BE IN THAT AREA, YOU KNOW RURAL IS 8080 ACRES, HAMLET 8260, VILLAGE 110 TO 500. THIS IS 70 MORE AND A HALF ACRE. SO I'M NOT I GUESS I'M A LITTLE BIT CONFUSED AS TO HOW THAT OVERLAY IS CONSIDERED THAT VILLAGE TYPE OVERLAY THE RESTRICTIONS THAT WOULD BE IN THAT ONE IT'S DESIGNATED GUESS FOR A LARGER AREA THAN THE 71 AND A HALF ACRES. 
          YEAH AND WHAT WE LOOKED AT IS LOOKING AT THE EXISTING DEVELOPMENT ADJOINING ELEMENTARY SCHOOL RIVER OAKS AND MIDDLE OF LOVE IS YOU KNOW IT'S SO THIS ISN'T THE ENTIRE VILLAGE. THIS IS A COMPONENT OF THAT SO THAT THAT'S THE INTERPRETATION OF STAFF THAT WE TOOK OAK CREEK AS A GENERAL QUESTION IF WE WERE TO RECOMMEND OF THIS CHANGE IN ZONING AS THAT ZONING AND THIS THE TPL REMAINED IN PERPETUITY WITH THAT PROPERTY WHERE FLIPPED OR WENT TO A DIFFERENT BUYER YES IT GOES WITH THE LAND SO IT'S SIMILAR TO A REZONING OR PLANNING A DEVELOPMENT WHATEVER COMPONENTS OR YOU KNOW APPROVED AS PART OF THIS GO WITH THE PROPERTY SO THERE IS NO CONDITION UNDER WHICH A THIS COULD THEY COULD VOID OF A TPO AND DO SOMETHING ELSE IT WOULD HAVE TO BE DONE THROUGH THE SAME PROCESS THAT CREATED IT BUT THEY WOULD THEY WOULD BE STOPPED FROM DOING ANYTHING ELSE UNTIL IT WAS AGAIN REVIEWED BY AND APPROVED BY COUNTY COUNCIL COUNSEL BUT IT WOULD REMAIN THE SAME ZONING AT THAT POINT DOES THEY RECOMMEND A CHANGE IN THAT IT DOESN'T IT DOESN'T GO AWAY WITH WITH A CONVEYANCE OF PROPERTY OKAY ALL RIGHT THANK YOU, EVERYBODY. 
          ALSO A QUESTION, ROBB, ON YOUR STAFF RECOMMENDATION. THE STAFF IS WORKING INTERNALLY TO DETERMINE WHETHER A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT WOULD BE AN APPROPRIATE TOOL TO IMPLEMENT ON SITE AND OFF SITE IMPROVEMENTS RELATED TO THE PROPOSAL. 
          I SERIOUSLY AND I VOICED THIS BEFORE I FEEL LIKE THE MORE THAT THE STAFF IS ASKED TO 
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DEVELOP TO HAVE A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, THE LESS THE PUBLIC IS ALLOWED TO COMMENT. 
          I MEAN IT REALLY FALLS ON YOU OR THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR. IT MUST COME UP A BUNCH BEFORE. 
          SO COULD YOU EXPLAIN THAT FURTHER THE KINDS OF THINGS THAT STAFF IS WORKING INTERNALLY TO DETERMINE A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT WOULD BE INAPPROPRIATE? COULD YOU TELL ME A LITTLE MORE ABOUT YEAH AND I THINK MARK WILL PROBABLY COVER THOSE AS WELL BUT I MEAN I THINK THE CLASSIC EXAMPLE YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE QUESTIONS MIGHT BE IF AS PART OF THIS DEVELOPMENT YOU WANTED THERE TO BE COMMERCIAL SQUARE FOOTAGE YOU NOT ALL RESIDENTIAL ON THE FRONT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT REQUIRE BUT IT COULD ALSO SAY IF 50,000 SQUARE FEET OF COMMERCIAL IS BEING PROPOSED IT'S NOT GOING TO BE AT THE TAIL END OF THE PROJECT. IT MIGHT BE TIMES WITH ROOFTOPS WITH IMPROVEMENTS THE TIMING OF OFF SITE IMPROVEMENTS, THE TIMING OF ON SITE IMPROVEMENTS THOSE ARE THINGS THAT A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT IS MEANT TO REGULATE. THE ADVANTAGE TO THE DEVELOPER IS THAT IT LOCKS IN THE ZONING THAT'S APPROVED AT THE TIME, YOU KNOW SO IN THAT PROCESS IS PUBLIC YOU KNOW IN OCCURS YOU KNOW AT THE COUNCIL YOU KNOW IT'S THE PLANNING COMMISSION DOES IT GET INVOLVED IN DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT BECAUSE IT'S AN AGREEMENT BETWEEN BEFORE AND THE DEVELOPER BUT WHAT WE WOULD BE LOOKING AT IS BEING A MECHANISM TO ASSURE OF THE THINGS THAT WE WANT TO SEE OUT OF THIS DEVELOPMENT. HAVE WE NOT SEEN THIS BEFORE ON MALE INPUT FOR EXAMPLE YOU KNOW THE COMMERCIAL BEING ON 170 AND THE TRAFFIC IMPACT WE'VE HAD THIS DISCUSSION BEFORE AM I WRONG? WE'VE HAD DISCUSSION ABOUT I MEAN SPECIFICALLY ABOUT DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENTS THAT WE KNOW ABOUT. 
          YES. I MEAN IN THE CONTEXT OF DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENTS BUT WHETHER OR NOT FOR EXAMPLE, HOW MUCH RESIDENTIAL WOULD BE ON I BELIEVE THIS PARCEL I COULD BE WRONG OR ACCESS TO MONITORING AND WHETHER OR NOT YES COMMERCIAL SHOULD BE YOU KNOW, ON 170 OR WHETHER IT SHOULD BE AND THERE WERE RESIDENTS WHO SAID NO LIKE BRING IT BACK OR DON'T BRING IT BACK INTO ADJACENT AREAS IN THE DEVELOPMENT I MEAN IN MY ROLE I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF UNKNOWNS. ONE ISSUE THAT THAT THAT CAME BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION ABOUT A YEAR AND A HALF AGO HAD TO DO THE FRONT PORTION OF MAINLAND BLUFF WHERE THE DEVELOPER WAS ASKING THEY WERE ASKING TO CHANGE 200 SQUARE 200,000 SQUARE FEET COMMERCIAL TO A CERTAIN NUMBER OF MULTIFAMILY YEAH THAT IN ITSELF HAD TO OCCUR THROUGH A LEGISLATIVE PROCESS. SO THAT STALLED AT COUNCIL SO NOTHING EVER CONTINUED WITH THAT CORRECT? I MEAN I REMEMBER THAT YEAH BUT THINK THAT IF ANYTHING THAT SPEAKS TO THAT WAS NOT MADE LIGHTLY IT HAD TO HAPPEN IN A PUBLIC FORUM AND A LOT OF RESIDENTS WERE CONCERNED AND IT'S IT'S STALLED SO THEY HAVE NOT COME FORWARD SINCE THAT TIME. SO I THINK THAT IS A SIMILAR KIND OF THING WHERE I WOULD SAY THAT IF SOMEBODY IS GOING TO AMEND THIS PLAN IT WOULDN'T BE THE SAME TYPE OF THING. IT HAS TO COME BACK TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND COUNCIL . THANK YOU. OKAY. 
          OKAY THANK YOU. OKAY. YOU'RE RIGHT MARK SO WE JUST KIND OF BUILT OFF ROB DO WE WANT TO JUST KIND OF JUMP INTO THE PLANS OR DO WE WANT TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT SOME OF THE HIGHER LEVEL STUFF? I'M ALRIGHT WITH GOING INTO THE PLANS FOR THE REGULAR. ALL RIGHT. SO I THINK WHAT I JUST WANT TO DO IS I KNOW THIS COULD BE A NEW TO A LOT OF YOU SO I JUST WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE REGULAR PLAN AND THE PTO AS A TOOL AND I THINK OF THE CONCERNS THAT WERE EXPRESSED REGARDING A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT OR FAIR I THINK TO BUILD OFF OF THAT IT IS A TOOL USED THAT PEOPLE REQUEST BUT ANY POINT IN TIME PEOPLE CAN REQUEST CHANGES TO ZONING AS IN MAPS WE JUST HAVE PROCESS THEM. THEY GO THROUGH A PROCESS, THEY GET AN OPPORTUNITY THROUGH THEIR BODIES THAT OCCURS WITH EVERYTHING SO THAT CAN OCCUR HERE. 
          THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE IN A CONCURRENT FUTURE. BUT THE REGULATING PLAN WELL THAT'S THE GOAL AND WITH THAT WE HAVE THE REGULATIONS. SO WHAT WE HAVE HERE IS TO HELP MAYBE KIND OF BUILD OFF OF THAT TO KIND OF TALK ABOUT SOME OF THE CONCERNS ABOUT THIS TOOL AS WELL AS THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT THIS IS KIND OF COUNCIL'S WISHES IS PLAN THAT YOU SEE HERE AND THE SHEETS THAT WE WILL BE TALKING ,REGULATING, BEING THE KEYWORD 
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IS INSTEAD OF JUST SEEING ZONING AND THEN SEEING JUST A BLANK COLOR ALL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY IF YOU ALL KIND OF WERE INVOLVED IN THIS DEVELOPMENTS A MASTER PLAN WAS CREATED A PART OF THAT REZONING AND THAT'S WHAT YOU GET HERE TONIGHT A PART OF THIS PARTICULAR REASON YOU GET TO BE A PART USE PLAN. 
          YOU'RE NOT JUST APPROVING A BLANKET OR CONSIDERING OR DISCUSSING A BLANKET ZONING. 
          SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE THAT VERY CLEAR IN THIS PARTICULAR PROCESS AND WHAT WE HAVE IN FRONT OF US TONIGHT. SO AS YOU CAN SEE IN THIS PLAN IT IS A REGULATING PLAN. 
          IT WOULD RUN WITH THE LAND IT REQUIRES IT TO BE BUILT THAT WAY. 
          AND IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT AND THEY UNDERSTANDING OF THAT AND THEY ARE HERE TONIGHT, I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO ASK THEM THAT AND SO YOU CAN HEAR IT FROM THEM IN ADDITION TO THAT ALL OF METRICS YOU SEE THE ROADS THE BLOCK SIZE IS, THE PTO IN THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT CODE IT PRESCRIBES THESE REQUIREMENTS SO THE PLANS THEMSELVES HAVE BEEN DESIGNED SO I'M JUST USING THAT LET'S JUST SAY IT WAS REGULARLY ZONING THEY HAD THAT ZONING WOULD NEVER SEE IT THEY WOULD SUBMIT STRAIGHT TO STOP AT OUR DEVELOPMENT REVIEW AND WE WOULD REQUIRE THEM TO BUILD THIS WAY BUT GOING THROUGH THIS PROCESS YOU AS THE PLANNING COMMISSION GET AN OPPORTUNITY TO BE INVOLVED IN THAT PROCESS AS WELL AND WE THINK THAT'S A VERY BENEFICIAL TOOL AND WE HOPE YOU ALL DO AS WELL. 
          SO IN IN THESE THINGS YOU'RE GOING TO SEE THREE MAIN PLANS. I'LL JUST RUN THROUGH THEM REAL QUICK SO THAT'S THE REGULATING PLAN KIND OF DESCRIBES THE PERCENTAGES THAT YOU REFERRED TO DIFFERENT ZONING AND THE PERCENTAGES GO TO THAT THE NEXT PLAN IS A CIVIC BUFFER, AN OPEN SPACE PLAN THAT KIND OF SHOWS YOU THE METRICS OF WHERE OPEN SPACES ARE FOR CIVIC SPACE. 
          A LOT OF THOSE ARE PRESCRIBED BY THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT CODE AND A THOROUGHFARE AND THEN THIS PRESCRIBES THE ACTUAL ROAD TREATMENTS THE TYPE ROAD RIGHT OF WAY WIDTHS, HOW THOSE ROADS ARE IMPROVED THEY HAVE ON STREET PARKING OR IF THEY DON'T HAVE ON STREET PARKING SO WHEN ADD ALL THOSE LAYERS TOGETHER YOU CREATED A LAND PLAN THAT THEN CREATES AN OPPORTUNITY FOR CERTAIN BUILDING TYPES OCCUR. SO YOU'VE GOT YOUR ZONING, YOU GOT YOUR ROAD NETWORKS, YOU GOT YOUR BLOCK SIZES AND YOU HAVE YOUR OPEN SPACE SPREAD THROUGHOUT. 
          SO IT IS A A VERY UPFRONT VERY PRESCRIBED PLAN THAT WHOEVER IS TO DEVELOP THIS PROPERTY HAS DEVELOP IT WITH THIS PLAN AND IF THEY WANT TO NOT DO THIS PLAN THEY HAVE TO COME BACK AND GO THROUGH THIS WHOLE PROCESS ALL OVER AGAIN. SO I WANT THE I JUST WANT TO KIND OF SPEAK TO THE ASSURANCES OF THIS PROCESS AND KIND OF PUT THOSE TO THE SIDE AND MAYBE ANY QUESTIONS IN REGARDS TO THE PROCESS AND WHAT THE PTO AND WHAT THESE REGULATING PLANS CAN ACHIEVE. SO REAL QUICK I WANT TO JUMP IN TO THAT BEFORE I MOVE ON IF THERE ARE ANY IN THAT LIKE IF THERE'S EVER HAD THERE BEEN OTHER SITUATIONS LIKE THIS THIS IS YOUR FIRST I THINK THIS IS ONE OF YOUR FIRST SO I KNOW ROB MENTIONED THAT I MEAN THAT YOU ALL ATTENDED ONE. IT DIDN'T WORK. SO THIS IS WHY WE WANT TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS WE KNOW IT'S NEW. I'VE WORKED ON THESE TOO GREAT DETAIL IN OTHER JURISDICTIONS BUT I BELIEVE THIS WOULD BE YOUR ALL'S FIRST APPROACH OR PROCESS OF THESE TYPES PLANS THAT ALLOW YOU ALL TO SEE THESE AS A PART OF THE REZONING AT A PLANNING COMMISSION LEVEL. UM, SO I BELIEVE THIS WOULD BE THE THE COUNTY'S FIRST PTO AND GOING BACK TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AS YOU ALL KNOW IS A TOOL AND A DOCUMENT THAT USE AND THAT YOU ALL USE IS THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS VERY CLEAR NOT ONLY IN ITS WHERE IT SHOWS WE DO THESE THINGS BUT I'LL LET YOU ALL TAKE A LOOK AT OUR ACTION PLAN IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH THAT THEY CLEARLY SAYS THAT WE AS A STAFF OR WE AS A COUNTY ARE SUPPOSED TO IMPLEMENT THESE AND USE THIS AS A TOOL WHERE DEFINED OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. 
          AND THEN IN ADDITION TO THAT KIND OF GET SOME FEEDBACK, LOOK AT IT, LOOK AT THE CDC, LOOK AT THE PLACE TYPE OVERLAY AND ACTUALLY GO INTO THE ORDINANCE AND MAKE MINOR TWEAKS AND AMENDMENTS AS WE NEED TO AND STAFF PREPARED TO DO THAT BUT WE NEED TO DO IT WITH YOU. 
          WE NEED TO DO IT WITH THE APPLICANT. WE THINK THIS IS A GREAT OPPORTUNITY FOR THE COUNTY TO GET A PREDICTABLE QUALITY DEVELOPMENT THAT EVERYBODY KNOWS GOING INTO IT. IF YOU RECOMMEND APPROVAL OR IF COUNTY STOPS THIS WE ALL KNOW WHAT WE'RE GETTING INCLUDING THE OFF SITES AND WE DO HAVE PEOPLE HERE TO SPEAK ABOUT 
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TRANSPORTATION ISSUES AND OFFSITE ISSUES AND ANY OF THOSE QUESTIONS AS WELL. 
          SO YOU CAN SEE IN OUR COMP PLAN IT IS TELLING US TO TAKE THESE ACTIONS NOW WE GO BACK TO THE BACK TO THE REGULAR RADIO MAYBE GO TO THE AERIAL AND SPEAK TO A LITTLE OF THE CONNECTIVITY OR THE AERIAL ABOUT THE ZONING. YEAH. SO IF YOU KIND OF LOOK AT THAT ON THIS PIECE RIGHT THERE SEE TO THE NORTH OF THAT YOU'VE GOT THE SCHOOL AND YOU'VE GOT MAIL AND BLAH AND RIVER RIVER OAKS AND LITTLE BACKPACK. SO THIS PIECE KIND OF ADJOINS THAT AND ALL OF IT GOING BACK TO WHAT ROB WAS SAYING A QUESTION WE KIND OF SEE THAT AS ALL THIS ONE KIND OF VILLAGE PLACE LIKE TIME AND YOU KIND OF GOT A SCHOOL RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE THERE IS PROGRAMED COMMERCIAL IN FRONT OF ME ON BLOCK CURRENTLY YES THAT IS KIND OF BEING LOOKED AT RIGHT NOW BUT OVERALL ALL WE LOOK AT NOT WE DON'T LOOK AT LAND USE IN A VACUUM. WE LOOK AT PARCELS AND WE LOOK AT LAND USE AND HOW IT RELATES TO OTHER THINGS AROUND IT. PREVIOUS DECISIONS SO FROM THIS AND THE GO BACK TO THE THOROUGHFARE PLAN YOU'LL SEE THAT THE ROAD NETWORK THAT IS SHOWN HERE SEE A LOT OF ENTRANCE POINTS SO A LOT OF THOSE WERE DONE TO LINE UP WITH EXISTING ROADS ONE GOING THAT THERE'S ONE TOWARDS THE BACK THAT KIND GOES IN THE BACK SIDE OF RIVER OAKS. 
          THAT COMMUNITY THEN CONNECTS MAINLAND BLUFF. THAT COMMUNITY THEN CONNECTS INTO POINT AND THAT COUNTY PARK. SO FROM THIS SIDE AND CHERRY POINT ROAD NOT ONLY BY CAR WE'D BE LOOKING AT PEDESTRIAN INFRASTRUCTURE YOU COULD HYPOTHETICALLY GET FROM HERE ALL THE WAY OVER TO THE ANIMAL AND NEVER TOUCH 117 SO BEING THAT YOU CAN DO THOSE THINGS WE SEE IT AS ONE COHESIVE DEVELOPMENT AND IT'S NOT CHOPPED UP SO I JUST KIND OF WANT TO KIND OF SPEAK TO THAT BUT WE ARE LOOKING AT THOSE ACREAGES AND AS A PART OF POSSIBLY LOOKING AT MAKING SOME TWEAKS TO IT STAFF IS OPEN TO LOOKING AT SOME BRIDGES AND MAYBE GETTING THOSE RANGES A LITTLE TIGHTER, MAKING THEM HAVE TO MAKE MORE SENSE SO JUST KNOW THAT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'RE LOOKING SO THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THAT UP. UM, SO OVERALL THESE I MEAN THE PLANS I KNOW IF YOU'RE NOT TO THE DETAILS AND THE TYPES OF STUFF CAN BE A LITTLE BIT OVERWHELMING. 
          UM, BUT UNLESS YOU HAVE CERTAIN QUESTIONS REGARDING HIGHER LEVEL STUFF I'D BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO START TAKING ANY QUESTIONS ON THE DETAILS OF THE PLANS OR THE PROCESS OR WHERE STAFF IS IN THIS PROCESS WITH THESE PLANS WHERE WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT GO AND OF COURSE THE APPLICANT HERE I BELIEVE YOU HAVE MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC HERE YOU JUST TELL ME WHEN YOU WANT TO STOP TALKING. OKAY. LET'S TALK ABOUT TRAFFIC. 
          TRAFFIC I'M ON A GOOD DAY AFTER MY OWN HEART. SO WE HAVE OUR COUNTY TRAFFIC ENGINEER HERE AND HE CAN GIVE YOU SOME GREAT HIGH LEVEL AND SOME ON THE BOOTH STUFF THAT'S OCCURRING RIGHT NOW. GOOD EVENING. IT IS SO YOU WANT TO ASK QUESTIONS YOU WANT ME TO GIVE A HIGH LEVEL GIVE A HIGH LEVEL FRAMEWORK? YES. YES. SO 170 I THINK EVERYONE UNDERSTANDS ONE 7278 AREA THIS THIS ENTIRE AREA HAS GROWN SUBSTANTIALLY OVER THE COURSE OF THE LAST TEN YEARS AND REALLY MORE SUBSTANTIALLY IN THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS. 
          SO WE HAVE BEEN WORKING THROUGH THE MPO, THE METROPOLITAN PLANNING ORGANIZATION IN THE REGION TO LOOK AT WHAT EXACTLY WE NEED TO DO NOT ONLY WITH 170 BUT WITH 278. 
          AND THERE WAS A STUDY THAT DONE IN 2019 BY AECOM THAT RECOMMENDED SOME NEAR-TERM AND SOME LONGER TERM IMPROVEMENTS ALONG THE 170 CORRIDOR. THE GOOD NEWS IS THOSE NEAR-TERM IMPROVEMENTS WHICH ARE KIND OF SPOTTY IMPROVEMENTS NOTHING DIRECTLY AT CHERRY POINT OR ALONG THIS FRONTAGE ALONG THE CORRIDOR ITSELF WERE JUST THEY WENT TO TWO ONE OF THE COMMITTEE MEETINGS THE FACILITIES COMMITTEE MEETING LAST WEEK AND WAS APPROVED TO MOVE FORWARD TO COUNTY COUNCIL. THOSE IMPROVEMENTS WILL GO TO COUNTY COUNCIL THEN NEXT WEEK FOR APPROVAL FOR NEAR-TERM IMPROVEMENTS WHICH INCLUDE BASICALLY STRETCH IS FROM OKATIE CENTER SOUTH TO 462. SO WHILE IT DOESN'T DIRECTLY IMPACT THIS DEVELOPMENT IT DOES ENCOMPASS THAT ENTIRE AREA SO. THESE ARE NEAR TERM IMPROVEMENTS RIGHT AROUND $8 MILLION TO TAKE CARE OF SOME IMMEDIATE TRAFFIC NEEDS ALONG THE 170 CORRIDOR AS A PART OF THE LONG TERM PLAN WE ARE WELL THE PLAN IS IN PLACE. THERE'S A CORRIDOR IN PLACE THAT WE ARE GOING TO FOLLOW THAT'S A MUCH MORE EXPENSIVE PROJECT SOMEWHERE IN THE $120 MILLION RANGE. SO AGAIN QUITE A BIG PROJECT. THERE'S ONLY THERE'S ONLY 
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CERTAIN WAYS THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO MOVE A PROJECT LIKE THAT FORWARD. 
          IT'S WITH POTENTIALLY WITH GRANT SO WE'LL BE ATTEMPTING LOOKING AT EVERY GRANT FUNDING OPPORTUNITY THAT THERE IS. BUT THEN IN 2022 THERE WAS A PROPOSED TRANSPORTATION SALES TAX THAT WAS PROGRESSING FORWARD. THE COUNTY IT WAS DECIDED IN LIKE THE JULY TIMEFRAME THAT WE'RE GOING TO MOVE FORWARD WITH A GREEN SPACE SALES TAX THAT WILL GO THAT'S IN EFFECT RIGHT NOW WENT INTO WENT INTO EFFECT IN MAY OF THIS YEAR AND WILL COLLECT THROUGH 2024 THERE IS PROPOSALS ON BRINGING A 2024 TRANSPORTATION SALES TAX TO THE BALLOT IN NOVEMBER IN NOVEMBER OF 2024. SO WE ARE CURRENTLY WORKING THROUGH THAT PROCESS THROUGH COUNTY COUNCIL AS WELL AS THE DIFFERENT MUNICIPALITIES ON WHAT EXACTLY DOES THAT PLAN LOOK LIKE IN 2022 PROPOSED SALES TAX THE ONE THAT WAS THAT HAS BEEN POSTPONED UNTIL POTENTIALLY 2024. THIS PROJECT WAS THAT BIGGER PROJECT ON THE 170 CORRIDOR WAS PART OF THAT OVERALL PLAN SO AGAIN THERE THERE HAS BEEN THERE'S BEEN PRELIMINAR WORK LOOKED AT TO ADDRESS THE TRAFFIC CONCERNS ON THIS QUARTER WHICH DIRECTLY IMPACT CHERRY POINT AS WELL AS WELL AS RIVERWALK. 
          SO AGAIN WE'RE NOT WE'RE NOT SITTING ON OUR HANDS. WE'RE WE'RE WORKING THROUGH THOSE PLANS AGAIN THAT FIRST PLAN WAS DONE IN 2019. WE'RE WORKING THROUGH WITH SOME UPDATES TO THAT RIGHT NOW TO SPECIFICALLY ADDRESS BIKE IMPAIRED ACCOMMODATIONS ALONG ENTIRE CORRIDOR. SO THAT'S KIND OF THE BIG OF THE REGION OF 170 AND I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS WITH THE DEVELOPMENT . 
          YEAH, I HAVE A QUESTION AND I JUST STARTED KIND OF A MAYBE AT A HIGH LEVEL THE KIMBERLY HORN TIRE THAT YOU PRESENTED TO US IN YOUR DOCUMENTATION WAS DATED MARCH 22. 
          YES. YOU KNOW HERE WE ARE IN JULY OF 23 AND IT IDENTIFIED COMMITMENTS BACK THEN AS WELL SOME SOME RECOMMENDATIONS IT MADE SOME STRONG RECOMMENDATIONS INVOLVING THE OFFSITE INFRASTRUCTURE. YES, INGRESS EGRESS, CURB CUTS, YOU KNOW, SIGNALIZATION, ETC., ETC.. YEAH. 
          IT'S ALL A LITTLE BIT CONFUSING TO ME TO WITH THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE LAND WITHOUT A INFRASTRUCTURE ALREADY IN PLACE TO SUPPORT IT AND SO IT BECOMES IMPORTANT FOR ME TO UNDERSTAND IS TIMING OF WHAT'S BEEN CALLED YOU RECOMMENDATIONS NEAR-TERM FAR TERM WHAT'S TO HAPPEN AND HOW IS THAT GOING TO BLEND IN TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DON'T PUT A STRANGLEHOLD ON THE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT'S ALREADY THERE IN THE INTERIM, RIGHT? YEAH. 
          SO I MEAN THAT'S THE PURPOSE OF THE TRIP THE TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS IS TO DICTATE WHAT THOSE ON SITE WHAT THE WHAT THE IMPROVEMENTS LOOK LIKE OFF SITE TO ADDRESS TRAFFIC SPECIFICALLY FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT AS FAR AS THE OVERALL NETWORK, THE DEVELOPER'S NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR THE OVERALL ROAD THAT IS THAT'S GOING TO BE THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE STATE DO FOR COUNTY JASPER COUNTY TO ADDRESS THOSE NEEDS AND AGAIN WHAT THOSE BIGGER THAT'S WHAT THAT BIGGER PROJECT LOOKS LIKE NOW WE ARE WE'RE CLOSE TO ABOUT 37,000 VEHICLES OR SO THAT PER DAY ON THIS PARTICULAR CORRIDOR WE WERE NOT TO THE POINT OF REALLY NECESSITATING THE NEED FOR SIX LANES IN EACH DIRECTION UNTIL WE GET CLOSER TO THAT 15,000 OR 50,000 PER DAY VOLUME. 
          SO AGAIN THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT AS MORE OF THAT LONG TERM THE LONG TERM GOAL FOR THIS CORRIDOR YEAH I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT BASED ON THE TIA THE RECOMMENDATIONS OR MAY WHAT IS THE TIMING OF THOSE AND WHICH IS GOING TO TAKE PLACE FIRST, SECOND, THIRD. 
          YEAH. AND AND WHO'S RESPONSIBLE I MEAN WHO'S ULTIMATELY THE PARTY RESPONSIBLE FOR DEVELOPER SO THAT THE COUNTY THE DEVELOPER WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE ANYTHING THAT THAT IS DIRECTLY CORRELATED WITH THEIR DEVELOPMENT. 
          SO THAT'S ON SITE THAT THAT IS OFFSITE AS WELL. OKAY. 
          THAT'S THE ONE I WANT TO KNOW. YES, SIR. YES, SIR. 
          SO THERE ON THE SITE ITSELF THERE THERE'S PROPOSED A POINT AT RIVERWALK THERE'S AN ACCESS POINT THIS PROPOSED IN THE CENTER THE DEVELOPMENT WITH SOME RIGHT TURN LANES I THINK ON THAT UP RIGHT NOW SOME IMPROVEMENTS ON CHERRY POINT ITSELF THE RIGHT TURN LANE GOING ON CHERRY POINT AS WELL AS DOING LEFT TURN LANES AND RECEIVING LANES ON CHERRY. 
          THAT WOULD ALL BE THE RESPONSIBILITY TO DEVELOP OR TO TO MAKE THOSE IMPROVEMENTS 
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OFFSITE PER THE TIA AND I WANT TO JUMP IN TO GO BACK TO THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT THAT'S ALSO HOW A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT HELPS GET THOSE THE TIA IDENTIFIES THEM. 
          IT KIND OF HELPS IDENTIFY WHEN THEY'RE NEEDED BY A TRAFFIC COUNT BUT A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT THE TOOL IN THE CONTRACT WE HAVE TO HOLD THE LAND DEVELOPER RESPONSIBLE FOR IMPLEMENTING THEM AND IF THEY DON'T IMPLEMENT THEM AND WE HAVE THE RIGHT AS A COUNTY JURISDICTION TO STOP APPROVING DEVELOPMENT SO. THAT'S WHERE A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT TOOL KIND OF COMES INTO PLAY. IN ADDITION, THE SCIENCE OF THE OFFSITE IMPROVEMENTS THEY GO IN WHO'S RESPONSIBLE, WHAT TRIGGERS THEM AND WE USE A TIA TO GUIDE US IN THAT DECISION AND THAT BLENDS THE TWO PLANS TOGETHER SO WE CAN OUR LONG RANGE PLAN WITH THE SPECIFIC IMPROVEMENTS ARE REQUIRED FOR THE DEVELOPMENT AND THAT'S HOW WE MARRY THE TWO TOGETHER. AND AGAIN THAT'S AS AS MARGARET SAID THAT'S HOW WE DO THAT IS WITH THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT. OKAY. SO I MENTIONED THE THING THAT WE SAW WAS DATED MARCH 2022. YES. DO YOU HAVE ONE FOR JULY 23 THAT FOR OFFSITE? I SAW SOME ON SITE TRAFFIC COUNTS BUT SO YEAH THERE WAS AN UPDATED MEMO THAT KIMBERLY HAUNTED IN 2023 TO ADDRESS OF THE SOME OF THE CHANGES IN THE WAY OF DEVELOPMENT. WE HAVE SOME ADDITIONAL COMMENTS THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT DOES AS FAR AS WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE AS FAR AS THAT BEING UPDATED TO ADDRESS BASICALLY THAT 2019 CORRIDOR STUDY THAT WAS DONE BY AECOM. SO WE'VE MADE THOSE COMMENTS SO THERE THERE IS SOME MINOR TWEAKS THAT WE WOULD TO SEE TO THAT UPDATED UPDATED MEMO AND SO WOULD WE. YEAH WHAT IT SEEMS TO ME I READ IN THE PAPER THAT THERE WAS SOME I DON'T KNOW LAND ACQUISITION ALONG 170 THIS AREA BY THE COUNTY TO HAVE AN EXTRA LIKE TURNING LANES OR WHAT IS THE COUNTY DONE IN THAT AREA THAT'S SORT OF PART ONE AND PART TWO IS COULD YOU BE MORE SPECIFIC ABOUT THE COORDINATION COUNTY IN THIS AREA? YES. SO SO THE LAND ACQUISITION WAS ACTUALLY FOR THAT NEAR-TERM PROJECT THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. SO AGAIN THAT GOES TO COUNTY NEXT MONDAY FOR APPROVAL THERE AS A PART OF THAT THIS OVERALL CORRIDOR WHAT WAS BEING LOOKED AT IS BASICALLY IS CALLED AN ARCADE OR SUPER STREET CORRIDOR. 
          IT'S WHERE YOU DON'T HAVE NECESSARILY FULL TURNING MOVEMENTS AND EVERY ONE OF THE INTERSECTIONS YOU'RE TYPICALLY ALLOWING A LEFT TURN ONTO SIDE STREET BUT NOT ALLOWING THE LEFT TURN OFF. SO AGAIN IN THAT REQUIREMENT WHAT YOU BASICALLY DO IS YOU YOU FORCE TO MAKE A U-TURN DOWNSTREAM TO BE ABLE TO GO IN THE OPPOSITE DIRECTION. 
          SO THE LAND ACQUISITION WAS ACTUALLY DONE BY OKATIE CENTER SOUTH SO WITH THESE IMPROVEMENTS NEAR TERM IMPROVEMENTS YOU WILL NO LONGER BE ABLE TO DRIVE EASTBOUND ON OVER THE CENTER SOUTH AND MAKE A LEFT TURN AGAIN TO VOLUME TOO MUCH TRAFFIC, TOO MANY CRASHES IN THAT AREA. SO BASICALLY IT WERE WE'RE ENCOURAGING PEOPLE TO DO WHAT THEY'RE ALREADY DOING. IF YOU'RE SITTING THERE FOR SO LONG AND YOU START TO FEEL THE PRESSURE OF PEOPLE LINING UP BEHIND YOU WAITING TO MAKE A TURN YOU YOU AS A DRIVER START TO FEEL THAT PRESSURE AND MAKE DECISIONS THAT YOU NORMALLY WOULDN'T MAKE SO. 
          TYPICALLY WHAT YOU WOULD DO IS MAKE A RIGHT TURN GET OUT OF THE WAY, FIND THE NEAREST YOU FIND THE NEAREST INTERSECTION, MAKE A U-TURN AND COME AROUND THE OPPOSITE DIRECTION. THAT'S THE SAFEST MOVEMENT YOU CAN MAKE IN THAT SITUATION. 
          SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING AT THE END CENTER. SO SO THAT'S GOING TO BE THE FIRST ARCADE INTERSECTION THAT WE THAT WE HAVE ALONG THE 174. SO THAT'S WHAT THAT LAND ACQUISITION WAS FOR. TO ANSWER THE SECOND PART OF YOUR QUESTION IN THE COORDINATION WITH JASPER COUNTY ,WE ARE THROUGH THE MPO THROUGH LAT WE ARE COORDINATING WITH THE DEVELOPMENT BOTH HERE THE JASPER COUNTY SIDE AS WELL AS WITH THE CITY OF HARTVILLE. 
          SO THAT IS REALLY THE PLATFORM IS THE LAST COMMITTEE HOWEVER COUNTY HAS MET INDIVIDUALLY WITH BOTH JASPER AND THE CITY OF HARTVILLE ON JUST THE DEVELOPMENT THAT WE SEE ALONG THE CORRIDOR. SO THEY ARE JUST LET ME BACK UP REAL QUICK ON THOSE NEAR-TERM IMPROVEMENTS THAT WE'RE DOING ACTUALLY A POSTURE PROJECT JASPER COUNTY IS CONTRIBUTING WELL AS THE CITY OF HARTVILLE ON THOSE NEAR-TERM IMPROVEMENTS FROM OAKLEY CENTER SOUTH TO FORCE 62 SO AGAIN THAT'S JUST HOW IMPORTANT IT IS TO THE REGION AND THEY UNDERSTAND AS WELL THAT THAT'S THE CRITICAL BACKBONE OF THE COUNTY AND IF YOU APPLIED FOR OR RECEIVED ANY MONEY FROM THE APRIL OR MAY GREENSPACE THAT SENATOR GOT THROUGH THE LEGISLATURE OKAY 
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THAT THAT IS NOT OPEN FOR APPLICATIONS AT THIS TIME SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT ON THAT BUT FOR THE GREENSPACE THE GREENSPACE IS THE PROGRAM STILL UNDER CONSTRUCTION AND HAS TO BE APPROVED BY COUNTY COUNCIL AND THEN APPROVED THE STATE. WE ANTICIPATE THAT TO BE READY TO GO BY LATE FALL OH THAT SOON OH SO THAT THIS IS SORT OF THE CART BEFORE A LOT OF THIS IS KIND OF THE CART BEFORE THE HORSE. I MEAN THAT'S A REAL OF MINE. 
          SO YOU KNOW IF YOU DON'T HAVE THE MONEY LATE FALL THAT'S LIKE FOUR MONTHS FROM NOW REALLY YOU KNOW THE GREENSPACE, THE GREEN SPACE PROGRAM BE WE ARE ANTICIPATING IT TO BE ADOPTED IMPROVED BY COUNTY COUNCIL THEN THAT WOULD ALLOW US TO ACCEPT ALLOCATIONS AND THIS WOULD BE I MEAN I THINK WHAT THE GENTLEMAN JUST SAID THAT THIS WOULD BE THIS PROJECT WOULD BE AVAILABLE OR BE CONSIDERED LIKELY TO BE CONSIDERED AS APPLICANT UNDER THAT GREENSPACE FUNDING. 
          IS THAT CORRECT? NO, NO, NO, NO. THIS IS COMPLETE. 
          THIS WOULD BE FUTURE TRANSPORTATION TAX THAT IS NOT CURRENTLY IN PLACE RIGHT NOW OR IT'S JUST A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS I KNOW THERE IS SOME CONFUSION BECAUSE OF THE ORIGINAL TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS WHICH I THINK INDICATED AT THAT TIME THERE WAS 240,000 SQUARE FEET OF COMMERCIAL SPACE THAT WAS INTENDED. MY UNDERSTANDING NOW IS THAT THE PLAN IS CALLING FOR UP TO 75,000 SQUARE FEET OF RETAIL AND 419 RESIDENTIAL UNITS WHICH INCLUDES A MIX OF MULTIFAMILY AND SINGLE FAMILY. IS THAT YOUR UNDERSTANDING? BEST UNDERSTANDING IS YOU MENTIONED THE NEAR TERM IMPROVEMENTS ARE FUNDED. 
          YES. SO AT LEAST AS FAR AS THE NEAR TERM IMPROVEMENTS ARE CONCERNED . WHAT KIND OF A TIMETABLE ARE WE LOOKING AT DO YOU ANTICIPATE? YES. AND I CAN RUN THROUGH THOSE REAL QUICK JUST SO THAT EVERYONE KIND OF GETS I DON'T WANT TO BELABOR THE POINT BUT IT DOES HAVE ANY IMPACT ON YOUR SUPPORT OR SO STARTING AT 462 IT'S BASICALLY THAT LEFT TURN LANE THAT NORTHBOUND LEFT TURN LANE ON TO 462. SO AGAIN TO GET THAT TRAFFIC OUT OF THE TRAVEL WAY I PEOPLE HAVE SEEN THAT WHERE THAT BACKS UP SO IT'S TO LENGTHEN THAT OUT AT ARGENT BOULEVARD WE'RE THE LEFT TURN LANE COMING OFF OF ORIGIN ON 72 A DUAL LEFT SO AGAIN ADDING CAPACITY BEING ABLE TO ADD MORE GREEN TIME TO ARGENT IS CRITICAL ONE OF THE OTHER LET LET ME JUMP DOWN WE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT CENTER SOUTH WHICH IS BASICALLY DISALLOWING THE TURN OFF OF THE CENTER SOUTH AND HAVING THAT U-TURN MOVEMENT THROUGH THE THE RIGHT THE U-TURN BULB THEN THE PRIMARY IMPACTS ARE REALLY AT THE INTERCHANGE. SO WHAT WHAT WE'RE BASICALLY DOING THERE IS LENGTHENING THAT RIGHT TURN THAT TAKES THE BASICALLY THE RIGHT TURN THAT USES THE LOOP RAMP TO TO HILTON HEAD OR INTO THE LEFT. AND SO THAT'S LENGTHENING OUT AND CREATING A BARRIER BETWEEN THAT PARTICULAR MOVEMENT AND THE SOUTHBOUND MOVEMENT OF 170. 
          WHAT WHAT THAT DOES IS A COUPLE OF THINGS. IT DISALLOWS PEOPLE FROM THE LAST MINUTE TO BE ABLE TO CUT OVER IN FRONT OF FOLKS THAT ARE IN THAT LANE IT'S LENGTHENING LANE OUT TO GET THEM OUT OF THE TRAVEL WAY BUT WHAT ALSO DOES IS THE ONLY TIME THAT THAT MOVEMENT IS NOT GOING TO BE FUNCTIONING IS NOT GOING TO BE MOVING IS WHEN THERE'S A NORTHBOUND LEFT TURN FROM NORTHBOUND 170 ONTO TO 78. SO WHATEVER THAT TIME IS, WHATEVER THAT GREEN TIME IS TEN, 15, 20 SECONDS IS THE ONLY TIME THAT THAT MOVEMENT TO COME ON THAT LOOP RAMP TO GO AROUND TO HILTON HEAD IS NOT GOING TO BE MOVING. 
          SO WITH IMPROVEMENTS AND THE OTHER IMPROVEMENTS ARE ACTUALLY UP ON TOP OF THE BRIDGE SO RIGHT NOW WHEN YOU GET UP ON TOP THE BRIDGE ON TO 78 YOU HAVE TO MERGE INTO TRAFFIC ON TO 78 WE'RE ACTUALLY REPAVING THAT AND STRIPING THAT SO THAT IS A THAT LANE JUST FUNNELS ON TO EIGHT WITHOUT THAT MERGE MOVEMENT SO AGAIN THE IDEA THAT QUEUE THAT'S THERE TODAY THAT YOU SEE YOU KNOW ESPECIALLY IN THE WILL WILL BE REMEDIED WITH THESE IMPROVEMENTS SO THAT'S THAT'S THE PRIMARY THEN AT OKATIE CENTER NORTH THAT PARTICULAR INTERSECTION IS THE ONE THAT'S JUST RIGHT OFF OF THE RIGHT OFF OF THE INTERCHANGE THAT IS ACTUALLY GETTING MEDIAN OFF AND THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE ANY ALLOWED THERE EXCEPT FOR THE SOUTHBOUND LEFT INTO THE PARKERS. SO YOU'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO MAKE NORTHBOUND OR YOU'RE 
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NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO MAKE LEFT TURN MOVEMENTS OFF OF OKATIE CENTER OR ITS BARREL LANDING ROAD ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE ROAD YOU'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO MAKE LEFT TURNS. 
          YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO GO FARTHER DOWNSTREAM AND COME BACK AROUND. 
          SO THAT'S THE THAT'S IN A NUTSHELL THAT'S WHAT THE NEAR-TERM IMPROVEMENTS ARE. 
          THE IDEA IS TO KEEP TRAFFIC MOVING AND MAKING SOME OF THOSE CRITICAL MORE SAFE SO THAT WE'RE NOT TYING THEM UP WITH CRASHES AND WITH THOSE IMPROVEMENTS BEING FUNDED. 
          WHAT DO YOU ANTICIPATE THE TIMELINE FOR YOU KNOW, THE TIMELINE IT WAS BID HAVE AN APPARENT LOW BIDDER AGAIN WENT TO WENT TO PUBLIC FACILITIES COMMITTEE LAST MONDAY OR THE MONDAY BEFORE IT HAS A ONE YEAR TIME FRAME IT SHOULDN'T BE A ONE YEAR PROJECT. 
          IT'S IT'S PROBABLY WE'RE GIVING THEM SOME FLEXIBILITY JUST TO BE ABLE TO GET IN AND GET THAT DONE BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF ASPHALT WORK TO THAT PROJECT AND AGAIN BY THE TIME WE'RE GETTING THEM INTO CONSTRUCTION WE'RE ALMOST AT WINTER SO WE DON'T WANT TO TIE THEM UP AND GET THEM INTO A BAD SITUATION REALISTICALLY I THINK IT'S PROBABLY MORE LIKE A 6 TO 8 MONTH PROJECT. OKAY. THE LONG TERM IMPROVEMENTS KNOW WE'RE OPEN ENDED AT THIS POINT BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE FUNDING IN PLACE KNOW LEVEL OF SERVICE IS AN INDICATOR OF HOW WELL INTERSECTIONS FUNCTION. I KNOW THE TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS ANTICIPATED BUILD OUT OF THIS PROJECT BY 2026. YEAH DO YOU HAVE ANY I DIDN'T SEE ANY LEVEL OF SERVICE INDICATORS IN THE REPORT THAT WE SAW. 
          ARE THERE ANY INTERSECTIONS THAT YOU ANTICIPATE FAILING BECAUSE THE LONG TERM IMPROVEMENTS ARE IN PLACE BY TIME BUILD OUT HAS BEEN COMPLETED THIS THIS PARTICULAR ISN'T THE ONE THAT'S GOING TO TAKE THE OVERALL CORRIDOR THE EDGE OR ANY PARTICULAR INTERSECTION OVER THE EDGE. YOU KNOW IT'S THE CULMINATION OF ALL THE PROJECTS ALONG THE CORRIDOR, YOU KNOW AGAIN TIMING IS CRITICAL. WE'RE AT THAT 37,000 VEHICLES PER DAY MARK. YOU KNOW, IT BECOMES OVER CAPACITY AT LIKE 50,000 VEHICLES SOMEWHERE IN THAT RANGE. SO I MEAN WE HAVE SOME POTENTIAL ON THESE INTERSECTIONS. HOWEVER WE ARE ACTIVELY WORKING THROUGH THE MPO, THROUGH THE STATE TO KICK OFF THE DESIGN ON THESE ULTIMATE LONG TERM IMPROVEMENTS. SO AGAIN WE'RE NOT JUST SITTING AROUND SAYING OKAY, WE DID THE NEAR-TERM IMPROVEMENTS, NOW WE CAN NOW WE CAN REST EASY BECAUSE WE'VE GOT THOSE DONE. 
          WE'RE MOVING INTO THE DESIGN AND FIGURING OUT WHAT THE FUNDING LOOKS TO BE ABLE TO MOVE THE LONGER TERM SOLUTION FORWARD UNDERSTANDING THAT WE DON'T HAVE A DECADE TO PUT IT IN PLACE. IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE NEED WE NEED DONE FROM A STATE REGIONAL FROM A STATE PERSPECTIVE WE FEEL LIKE THIS IS THE MOST IMPORTANT PROJECT OTHER THAN THE 278 BRIDGE THAT WE'RE CURRENTLY IN THE MIDDLE. THIS IS THE MOST IMPORTANT PROJECT THAT WE HAVE FOR THE COMMUNITY FROM A CAPACITY AND SAFETY PERSPECTIVE TO QUESTIONS. SURE. GO AHEAD. 
          NO, GO AHEAD. SO IN THE TRAFFIC IMPACT OF THE LONG TERM RECOMMENDATIONS WAS SIGNALIZATION RIVERWALK. YEAH, BUT I ALSO UNDERSTOOD THAT DISTANCE DOESN'T MEET SOUTH CAROLINA D.O.T. NORMS TERMS OF SEPARATION AND THAT THEY WERE RECOMMENDING THAT THE ROAD ACTUALLY BE SHIFTED SOUTH IF THAT CAN'T WHAT ARE THE ALTERNATIVES IN TERMS OF ADDRESSING ISSUES? SO THAT'S THE BEAUTY OF THE ARCTIC CORRIDOR. SO WHEN WE START TO LOOK AT SIGNALIZATION NOW YOU CAN MOVE YOUR SIGNALS CLOSER TOGETHER THAN WHAT WOULD TYPICALLY BE PRESCRIBED BECAUSE RATHER THAN HAVING THE SIGNALS FUNCTION BASICALLY EVERY MOVEMENT AROUND THE INTERSECTION IS A PHASE AND . EVERY PHASE TAKES A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIME SO IF YOU HAVE LEFT TURNS OFF OF A MOVEMENT AS WELL AS THROUGH MOVEMENTS EACH ONE OF THOSE IS A PHASE SO YOU CAN HAVE UP TO EIGHT PHASES. YOU HAVE THREE MOVEMENTS ALONG WITH LEFT TURNS A PARTICULAR INTERSECTION WHEN YOU START TO LOOK AT SOMETHING LIKE OUR INTERSECTION YOU'RE PULLING ALL THE PHASES OUT OF THAT. BESIDES SO BASICALLY THE ONLY THING THAT GETS GREEN GREEN TIME ON A ON A TRAFFIC SIGNAL IS YOUR THREE MOVEMENT AND YOUR LEFT TURN TO BE ABLE TO MAKE EITHER A TURN ONTO THE STREET OR A U-TURN MOVEMENT. 
          SO WHEN YOU DO THAT AND YOU REDUCE AND THIS IS GETTING TO THAT REAL TRAFFIC ENGINEERING STUFF WHEN YOU GO TO FROM EIGHT PHASES DOWN TO THE TWO YOU'RE ALLOWED MUCH MORE GREEN TIME DOESN'T CREATE THE DELAYS THAT YOU TYPICALLY SEE IT AT TRADITIONAL INTERSECTION SO WHEN WE LOOK AT THIS AS BEING A SUPER STREET CORRIDOR THAT ALLOWS US THOSE SIGNALS TO BE 
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CLOSER SPACE BECAUSE I DO AGREE WITH YOU. WELL IT SOUNDS GOOD TO BE ABLE TO MOVE THAT TRAFFIC SIGNAL DOWN A COUPLE HUNDRED FEET. IT'S PRETTY MUCH DEVELOPED IN THAT AREA AND THE MORE WE SEE THE WAY OF DEVELOPMENT THE HARDER THAT THAT GETS. 
          LAST QUESTION HAD TO DO WITH THE LONG TERM IMPROVEMENT SO THINK SUGGESTED THAT THERE WOULD BE ADDITIONAL RIGHT OF WAY NECESSARY IS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU'VE BEEN ASKED FOR PLANS TO REFLECT THIS? I DON'T THINK IT'S SHOWING ADDITIONAL RIGHT WAITING FOR OUR PROPOSAL RIGHT NOW. SO A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT THINGS THAT WE'RE DOING THERE. YES, WE WILL WE WILL NEED TO ASK FOR SOME ADDITIONAL RIGHT AWAY FOR BOTH 170 AS WELL AS ON CHERRY POINT. SO THE GOOD NEWS IS WE ARE ACTUALLY WORKING ON A PLAN RIGHT NOW ON WHAT THE ULTIMATE IMPROVEMENTS LOOK LIKE FOR CHERRY POINT BECAUSE THERE ARE MULTIPLE DEVELOPMENTS THAT ARE OCCURRING ON THAT ROAD ALONG WITH THE SCHOOL WE FEEL LIKE THE BEST FORWARD IS FOR THE COUNTY TO WORK ON WHAT THAT ULTIMATE DESIGN LOOKS LIKE SO THAT WE GET EVERYTHING THAT WE WANT AND IT'S NOT PIECEMEAL TOGETHER AND THEN AS DEVELOPMENT COMES IN THEY PAY OR THEY MAKE THE IMPROVEMENTS ON THE PORTIONS THAT ARE THAT THEY'RE IMPACTING ON THOSE PARTICULAR ROADS. 
          LONG STORY SHORT ON THAT IS ONCE WE GET THAT PLAN IN PLACE THEN WE'LL BE ABLE TO DICTATE DIRECTLY TO THE DEVELOPER HOW MUCH RIGHT AWAY WE NEED TO BE TO GET THOSE IMPROVEMENTS WITHIN THE WITHIN THE RIGHT AWAY WHICH INCLUDES ROADWAY IMPROVEMENTS AS WELL AS PEDESTRIAN MOVEMENTS. SO 170 IS PART OF THE EAST COAST GREENWAY. 
          SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE WANT TO MAKE SURE OF IS THAT WE'RE WE'RE PRESCRIBING OR SETTING ASIDE AWAY OR AT LEAST BEING ABLE TO SET ASIDE A PORTION OF THE BUFFER YARD FOR THE FOR THE MULTI-USE PATH TO TRAVEL DOWN 70 AS WELL AS MAKE THAT PEDESTRIAN CONNECTION POINT. SO AGAIN NOT THAT NOT THAT RIGHT NOW WE SEE KIDS WALKING TO THAT SCHOOL BUT WE WANT TO DEFINITELY BE ABLE TO PREPARE FOR WITH THE WITH THE ENTIRE VILLAGE CONCEPT FOR REGION THANK YOU AND THANK YOU FOR INDULGING YOU I THINK YOU HAVE SOME I DID I'VE A COUPLE AND THIS IS THESE ARE VERY SIMPLE QUESTIONS ONE IS FOR YOU READING IN THE TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS IT JUST SAYS MAY RESULT IN A DEVELOPMENT THAT GENERATES 50 TRIPS DURING PEAK HOUR AND WILL CHANGE THE LEVEL OF SERVICE OF THE AFFECTED TRIP. WHAT EXACTLY IS A TRIP? A TRIP IS JUST IT'S A MOVEMENT IN A VEHICLE. SO EVERY TIME A I MEAN YOU'RE YOU'RE BASICALLY ADDING UP THE NUMBER OF VEHICLES THAT ARE ENTERING AND THE SITE. SO A TRIP IS BASICALLY THERE'S A TRIP TO AND A TRIP FROM SO THE TRIP IS BASICALLY GETTING IN AN AUTOMOBILE AND DRIVING TO A SPECIFIC DEVELOPMENT. OKAY. AND THIS WAS TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION WHEN DEVELOPMENT FIRST CAME OUT AND SAID THAT THEY WANT THESE 3 TO 400 HOUSING UNITS PUT IN THIS PARTICULAR DEVELOPMENT YOU'RE JUST BECAUSE OF ALL THE INTERCONNECTIONS AND ALL THE ROADWAYS THAT THIS ONLY GENERATE 50 TRIPS DURING THE PEAK HOUR IS THAT CORRECT IN THE PEAK HOUR? YES. 
          YES. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. 
          AND JUST THIS JUST WENT TO TO MARK DON'T KNOW WHERE HE RAN OFF TO MAYBE ROB YOU CAN ASK OH, THERE YOU ARE. I'M SORRY YOU SNAPPED UP. I WAS LOOKING FOR THE PERIPHERY . THE OTHER THE QUESTION I HAD JUST IS JUST CLARIFICATION FOR ME WITH THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT AND TRAFFIC ITSELF DID I UNDERSTAND CORRECTLY TO SAY THAT AT SOME POINT DURING THE DEVELOPMENT OR IN THE ENTIRE PROCESS IF WE FIND THAT THE TRAFFIC IS KEEPING UP OR THE FURTHER DEVELOPMENT IS MAYBE EXCEEDING THE TRAFFIC BASED ON WHAT THEY'RE PUTTING IN THERE THAT WE CAN PUT A STOP ON DEVELOPMENT UNTIL THE ROADWAYS ARE IMPROVED. IS THAT CORRECT? PARTIALLY THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE AGAIN LIKE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT AS A CONTRACT YES. THE CONTRACT BETWEEN THE COUNTY AND THE LAND DEVELOPER. RIGHT. AND AS LONG AS THE IS IF A DEVELOPER MAINTAINING THEIR SIDE OF THE CONTRACT AND PUTTING IN THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT WE AS THE COUNTY BELIEVE WERE WHEN THEY NEED TO GO IN AND WHEN THAT'S KIND OF YOU KIND OF NEGOTIATE THAT THEY HAVE TO DO THOSE AND TYPICALLY DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENTS ARE THEY HAVE TO COME IN YOU DO ANNUAL REVIEWS THEY COME WITH PHASES. NOBODY WOULD COME IN AND DO THIS AND ALL ONE THING IT'D BE LIKE A PHASE AND TYPICALLY PHASES ARE BY UNITS AND DEVELOPERS USUALLY PROGRAM THESE THINGS BY PHASES AND CERTAIN UNITS LOT OF TIMES IT'S KIND OF DRIVEN BY WATER AND SEWER ROAD SECTIONS, STORMWATER AND THEN WITH THAT THE VA THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT WILL RECOGNIZE OKAY AT THE 80TH UNIT YOU NEEDED THIS AT THE 150 YOU NEED THIS SO AS LONG AS THEY ARE DOING THOSE THINGS WITH THE PHASE AND THEN THOSE IMPROVEMENTS ARE GOING IN THEN THEY ARE STAYING COMPLIANT WITH THE DEVELOPMENT AT ANY POINT IN 
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TIME A DEVELOPER DOES NOT DO THAT THEN COUNTY HAS STANDING TO STOP APPROVING FUTURE PHASES THAT ANSWERS MY QUESTION THANKS . I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT ACCESS POINT NUMBER ONE DIRECTLY ACROSS FROM THE RIVER PARK. THAT'S A DANGEROUS INTERSECTION RIGHT NOW WHEN YOU'RE TRYING TO SPEED A COUPLE OF LANES AND YOU DON'T HAVE ANY PLACE TO STOP REAL QUICK YOU'RE GOING TO GET CLOBBERED. YOU'RE PROPOSING SIGNAL AS I SIGNALING USING THAT I MEAN THAT THE RECOMMENDATION WAS CONSIDER RELOCATING BUT YOU'RE PROPOSING TO SIGNALIZED THAT THAT CROSS WAY THERE IT WOULD HAVE TO BE AGAIN WOULD HAVE TO MEET THE IT WOULD HAVE TO MEET THE TRAFFIC SIGNAL WARRANTS THROUGH THE DOT BEFORE THAT SIGNAL WOULD BE ALLOWED THERE BUT WOULD THAT IS A LOCATION FOR A POTENTIAL SIGNAL. 
          YES. OKAY. JUST WANTED UNDERSTAND THAT THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE TARGETING SO THAT BASICALLY THE THE MANUAL AND UNIFORM TRAFFIC CONTROL DEVICES THERE'S NINE DIFFERENT WARRANTS TO BE ABLE TO MEET TRAFFIC SIGNAL TWO TO MEET A TRAFFIC SIGNAL THIS IS A DOT ROADWAY. SO THE WAY THAT THE DOT TREATS THESE INTERSECTIONS IS IT HAS TO BE AT THE POINT OF MEETING THE WARRANT BEFORE THEY'RE ALLOWED FOR THE TRAFFIC SIGNAL TO GO IN. SO KIND OF IT AS A ANOTHER EXAMPLE RIGHT NOW YOU SEE THE CONGESTION THAT'S IN OR AROUND THE OLD FIELD THAT ONE HAS JUST BEEN LOOKED AT. WE'VE JUST RECENTLY STUDIED THAT IT'S JUST BARELY MAKING THE THRESHOLD SIGNAL WARRANTS THERE. SO AGAIN THAT HAS BEEN TURNED OUT. WE DID THE STUDY TURN THAT OVER TO THE STATE TO MOVE FORWARD ON A TRAFFIC SIGNAL AT THAT PARTICULAR INTERSECTION. SO AGAIN IT'S GOT TO GO THROUGH PROCESS. WE CAN'T JUST SAY BECAUSE OF THIS DEVELOPMENT BECAUSE IT'S COMING THAT THAT AUTOMATICALLY GETS A TRAFFIC SIGNAL. 
          IT'S GOT TO MEET ONE OF THOSE NINE WARRANTS AND THEN I WANTED TO TO CLARIFY REAL QUICK. 
          YEAH, THAT'S WHAT THAT'S WHY I WAS GOING BACK TO YOU ON THE YEAH ON THE ON THE 50 AND THE PEAK HOUR BASICALLY THIS IS THE 652 SO THERE'S 652 TRIPS TOTAL IN THE PEAK HOUR WITH THE DEVELOPMENT AT ALL RIGHT LET ME MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND THAT AND SO ON THE TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS YOU SAID THAT 50 OR 50 TRIPS DURING PEAK PERIOD WILL CHANGE THE LEVEL OF SERVICE OF THE AFFECTED STREET SO WHAT WHAT DOES THIS 652 652 IS THE TOTAL IN THE PMP THAT'S THE NUMBER OF VEHICLES GOING INTO THE DEVELOPMENT AND COMING OUT OF THE DEVELOPMENT AND THE PEAK HOUR SO THE PEAK HOURS LET'S SAY 5 TO 6 YOU HAVE 350 COMING IN 302 COMING OUT. 
          THIS IS ALL BASED UPON ITS CHIRP GENERATION MANUAL. SO BASICALLY WHAT THEY DO IT'S THE INTERNATIONAL MANUAL THAT BASICALLY EVERYONE USES. IT LOOKS AT STUDY AREAS ACROSS THE COUNTRY FOR SIMILAR TYPE DEVELOPMENTS AND BASED UPON THAT DATA WHERE THEY COMPILE THE COMPILE WHAT THE WHAT SIMILAR TYPE DEVELOPMENTS WOULD LOOK LIKE. 
          OKAY. AND THAT SO NUMBERS YOU'RE GETTING SAYING IF THIS DEVELOPMENT IS IN PLACE THAT'S WHAT YOU WOULD EXPECT THAT 350 IN 2015 I TOLD YOU BUILD OUT YEAH OKAY AND IN THAT IN THAT AREA NOW BASED YOU KNOW MAINLAND BLUFF AND THE AREAS IN THE PAD SOUTH OF THERE WHAT TYPE OF TRAFFIC DO WE HAVE GOING IN AND OUT OF THERE NOW DO YOU HAVE THAT I MEAN I JUST I KNOW THE CORRIDOR THIS IS CLOSE TO THAT 37 TO 40000 AS FAR AS THE MAINLAND BLUFF INTERSECTION. I'D HAVE TO GET BACK TO YOU ON THAT. OKAY? OKAY. 
          ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. YOU'RE WELCOME. 
          ANYBODY ELSE A POINT OF CLARIFICATION SO I'M THINKING BACK OF WHAT YOU SAID ABOUT THE ARGENT BLUFF TRAFFIC LIGHT. THEY'RE AT 170 SO YOU CAN TURN LEFT THERE'S LEFT TURN SIGNAL ON THAT TRAFFIC LIGHT RIGHT AND THAT AND FLOW INTO A TWO LANE BUT IF YOU'VE YOU KNOW SO, IT'S JUST TOO LIGHT. BUT WHEN YOU MENTIONED THAT I HEARD LIKE A GROWN FROM THE AUDIENCE AT SOME THAT THERE WAS GOING TO BE SIX LANES ALTOGETHER AND THREE LANES. SO I'M A LITTLE CONFUSED ABOUT THAT. 
          AND WHEN YOU SAY YOU'RE LENGTHENING THE LANE TO GET INTO SAY 462 SO I'M JUST CONFUSED WHEN YOU SAY YOU'RE LENGTHENING OR I FORGET THE EXACT WORD YOU USED STRETCHING OUT. YEAH, LENGTHENING YEAH YEAH. COULD WE USE THE ARGENT BLUFF TURNING LEFT THERE? YOU KNOW YOU HAVE HAVE LEFT RING YOU'RE NOT MERGING YOU ACTUALLY HAVE A LEFT THERE. YOU ROLL INTO TWO LANES AND THEN A BIT UP YOU KNOW IT'S NORTH OF THIS PROJECT OF COURSE AND THEN IF YOU WANT TO GO ON TO 462 YOU KNOW AGAIN LEFT HAND 
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LANE LEFT HAND TURN BUT AS WE ALL KNOW TRAFFIC REALLY DOES BACK UP ON THAT LEFT TURN LANE . SO THAT SEEMS TO ME TO BE A PRETTY HAZARDOUS MEAN WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS BEFORE IN THE PAST PARTICULARLY WITH THE TWO GENTLEMEN WHO LIVED YOU KNOW, AND KNEW THIS AREA EXTREMELY WELL. SO THAT'S A SHORT TERM IMPROVEMENT BUT IS THAT ENOUGH OR IS IT SORT OF A BAND-AID? CAN YOU GIVE ME A SENSE OF WHAT IT'S LIKE IN TERMS OF PLANNING? YEAH. I MEAN THAT'S REALLY JUST TO GET VEHICLES OUT OF THE NORTHBOUND MOVEMENT SO THEY DON'T SPILL BACK INTO THE FAST TRAVEL LANE. SO YEAH, I MEAN THAT IS THAT IS MORE THAT IS DEFINITELY A SHORT TERM IMPROVEMENT. ULTIMATELY WHAT WE WHAT WE IS THE BIGGER IMPROVEMENT THERE WOULD A DUAL LEFT TURN LANE TO GO ON TO 462 BUT AGAIN AS RIGHT NOW FOR 62 IT'S IN JASPER COUNTY AND ONLY A SINGLE LANE IN EACH SECTION SO WE HAVE TO WIDEN THAT OR WE'D HAVE TO FIGURE OUT A WAY TO WIDEN THAT FAR ENOUGH TO THE TO KIND OF THE NORTH AND THE WEST SO THAT YOU CAN TAPER BACK DOWN AT SOME POINT UNTIL WOULD ULTIMATELY BE WIDENED OUT FOR A LONGER DISTANCE. I MEAN I'VE BEEN ON THAT ROAD RECENTLY A LOT. 
          I MEAN YOU CAN OF COURSE GO TO AN AIRPORT THAT WAY FOR SURE. YOU KNOW IT'S AND MANY OTHER YOU KNOW I MEAN PEOPLE ON THAT SIDE OF THE RIVER USE IT ALSO BUT THAT SEEMS TO ME TO BE I'M NOT SATISFIED WITH WHERE THAT IS GOING TO BE HANDLED IN TERMS OF SAFETY. 
          OKAY. BUT THAT'S JUST A CONCERN I HAVE. 
          WELL PRODUCED A LOT OF DETAIL ON TRANSPORTATION. I KNOW TRANSPORTATION ACCESS. 
          SO I TELL YOU WHAT I'D LIKE TO I WOULD LIKE TO SEE FOR ME AND MAYBE FOLKS IN THE AUDIENCE FEEL THE SAME WAY. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE YOUR MAPS OF THAT CORRIDOR PARTICULARLY THE CORRIDOR THAT'S GOING TO BE IMPACTED IN THAT AREA GOING TO BE IMPACTED BY CHERRY POINT YES WITH A WHEN YOU WHAT IMPROVEMENT MAKING SPECIFICALLY IN THE IN THE VISUALS YEAH WHEN YOU ANTICIPATE THEM BEING MADE AND WHO'S A RESPONSIBLE PARTY FOR MAKING SURE HAPPENS YOU KNOW IS IT THE DEVELOPERS THAT YOU COUNTY IS IT A COMBINATION OF JASPER COUNTY IS IT NCDOT I MEAN WHO ARE ALL THE PARTNERS IN THIS AREA GOT TO COME TOGETHER AND MAKE THIS MESH BECAUSE CONCERN IS IS THAT THE DEVELOPMENT GETS UNDER WAY AND BY 2026 WE'VE GOT THIS THING REALLY ROLL GOING. WE DON'T HAVE THE INFRASTRUCTURE. 
          YOU KNOW THERE'S NO GUARANTEE WE'RE GOING TO GET THE TRANSPORTATION ANY. 
          ALL RIGHT. SO I'D LIKE TO KNOW WHAT YOU'RE OPTIMIST THE PLAN IS FOR THAT THAT THE TIMEFRAME THAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT HERE AND HOW THAT BLENDS THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT OF THE LANDS. RIGHT. RIGHT. 
          YEAH AND SOME OF THAT I MEAN WE'RE STILL WORKING THROUGH THE PLANS. 
          WE DON'T WE'RE NOT EVEN TO PRELIMINARY PLANS RIGHT NOW FOR THE CHERRY POINT PIECE HOPE TO BE THERE FAIRLY QUICK. I CAN GIVE AN OVERVIEW OF WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE AND PREPARE A MAP TO BETTER DISSEMINATE THERE THERE'S MANY DETAILS YET TO BE WORKED OUT AGAIN ON WHO'S PAYING WHAT BECAUSE AGAIN AT THIS POINT FOR THAT BIGGER PROJECT WE DON'T HAVE A FUNDING MECHANISM AS FAR AS THE IMPROVEMENTS ON CHERRY POINT, WE'RE WHERE WE WOULD BE ON THAT ONE WOULD BE THERE THERE'S A SIMILAR PROCESS THAT WAS DONE IN JEDBURGH TO THE NORTH IN UP IN BERKELEY COUNTY THAT THEY USE AN INTERESTING TOOL UP THERE AND BASICALLY WHAT THEY DID IS THEY HAD A BUNCH OF DEVELOPMENT THAT WAS GOING ON ALL AT ONE TIME THEY WERE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHICH DEVELOPER WAS GOING TO BE RESPONSIBLE FOR WHAT PART TO BRING THIS WHOLE PROJECT TOGETHER BECAUSE YOU DON'T WANT TO LEAVE YOU WANT TO PUT THAT ALL ON THE FIRST DEVELOPER THAT'S COMING OR YOU DON'T WANT TO LEAVE THE LAST GUY WHO'S AT THE AT THE END OF THE ROAD LEFT HOLDING THE BAG ON ALL PUBLIC IMPROVEMENTS. 
          SO BASICALLY WHAT THEY CAME UP WITH WAS GOING BACK TO THE NUMBER OF TRIPS THAT EACH DEVELOPMENT GENERATED THEY PAID INTO A FUND THAT BASICALLY HELD FOR THE PUBLIC IMPROVEMENT PIECE. SO AGAIN THE COUNTY HAS A CERTAIN RESPONSIBILITY BECAUSE THE SCHOOL IS THERE, RIGHT? SO THE SCHOOL IS GENERATING TRAFFIC. 
          THIS DEVELOPMENT GOING TO GENERATE TRAFFIC. THERE'S OPEN LAND ON THE OTHER SIDE OF CHERRY POINT COULD POTENTIALLY BE GENERATING TRAFFIC. 
          SO TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT'S THAT FAIR BALANCE BETWEEN WHAT THE COUNTY'S GOING TO PROVIDE, WHAT DEVELOPER IS GOING TO PROVIDE, WHAT DEVELOPER IS GOING TO PROVIDE REALLY IS A PRETTY GOOD ROAD MAP FROM WHAT WE'VE SEEN WITH JEDBURGH. AND SO THAT'S THAT'S REALLY THE IDEA OR OUR PROPOSAL WITH US COMING UP WITH WHAT THAT ULTIMATE PLAN CHERRY POINT LOOKS LIKE AND THEN BEING ABLE TO DIVVY THAT OUT BASED UPON THE INTENSITY OF THE DEVELOPMENT UNDERSTANDING THAT THE COUNTY HAS SOME RESPONSIBILITY THERE AS WELL 
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WITH THE SCHOOL ALREADY THERE. YEAH. AND ONE OF THE THINGS TOO ABOUT A PLACE TYPE OVERLAY THAT STAFF LIKES IS IT PROVIDES THAT LEVEL OF PREDICTABILITY. 
          WE KNOW WE KNOW HOW MANY RESIDENTIAL UNITS IT CAN CREATE SO WE HAVE THAT NUMBER FOR THE INPUT FOR THE ENGINEERS AND THE TRAFFIC UNDERSTAND THAT AND IF WE SCOPE OUT A SPECIFIC NUMBER OF COMMERCIAL OR OFFICE AND THEN THAT'S IN THERE WE CAN WE HAVE UPFRONT NUMBERS OF SCIENCE THAT WE CAN HELP START BUILDING INTO THAT EQUATION AND THAT'S A BENEFICIAL TOOL, A PLACE TYPE OVERLAY, A STRAIGHT OUT AND YOU'RE NOT REALLY QUITE SURE WHAT'S GOING TO BE BUILT ON PROPERTY. AND SO TO GO BACK TO YOUR QUESTION AS FAR AS THE DEVELOPMENT HAPPENING IN 2026 AND MAKING SURE THESE IMPROVEMENTS ARE DONE SO THAT'S THAT'S THE POINT OF HAVING THIS PLAN DONE WHICH AGAIN BE DONE LATER THIS YEAR AS TO WHO'S RESPONSIBLE, WHO'S RESPONSIBLE FOR WHAT WHAT THAT WOULD ALLOW US TO DO IS DEVELOPER IS COMING IN THEY HAVE CERTAIN IMPROVEMENTS THAT WE'RE TO TEST THEM WITH BECAUSE THEY'RE THEY'RE GENERATING THEIR TRAFFIC. THE COUNTY HAS CERTAIN PORTIONS OF THAT BECAUSE WE'RE TRYING TO ADDRESS SOME OF THE SCHOOL TRAFFIC WORKING WITH COUNTY SCHOOLS THEN OTHER DEVELOPER THAT MAY COME IN LATER WE WILL PROBABLY JUST AHEAD AND MAKE THOSE IMPROVEMENTS KNOWING THAT WILL AT SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE BASED UPON THE TRIPS THAT WILL BE LIKE A BACKWARDS IMPACT FEE THAT THEY WOULD PAY INTO THESE IMPROVEMENTS ARE ALREADY DONE THAT WAY IT'S FAIR FOR EVERYONE THAT'S INVOLVED ALONG THE CORRIDOR. 
          SO AGAIN PART OF THAT HAS TO BE WORKED. YOU KNOW AND I KNOW FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE IN SOUTH CAROLINA GETTING INFRASTRUCTURE FIRST IS MIND BLOWING BUT THAT'S WE'RE TRYING TO ACHIEVE HERE WELL THE OFFSITE PURPOSE STRUCTURE FIRST OFFSITE AND THE YEAH YOU GET THE OTHER DONE FIRST YES. SO THAT PEOPLE AREN'T LEFT WITH A TRAFFIC MESS. 
          WELL WE'RE WITHOUT ANY IMPROVEMENTS. OKAY THANK YOU. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE GENTLEMAN? OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. I THINK WE WANT TO HEAR FROM THE WE'LL GIVE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE APPLICANT, THE DEVELOPER SOMEBODY WOULD LIKE TO ON THEIR BEHALF. 
          OKAY. YOU KNOW, PLEASE INTRODUCE YOURSELF. 
          BRYAN WHITMER WITH WHITMER JONES KEEFER WE'RE THE LAND PLANNER ON THE PROJECT AND MARK AND ROB DO A GREAT JOB. I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWERING QUESTIONS YOU MAY WELL I WAS HOPING MAYBE YOU COULD TELL US A LITTLE BIT SOMETHING THE INFRASTRUCTURE ISSUES AS YOU UNDERSTAND AND THE COORDINATION THAT'S NECESSARY ETC.. WELL I THINK WE'RE MORE THE LAND PLANNERS AS FAR AS THE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT'S COMING IN I THINK THAT'S THINK THAT'S MORE OF A CIVIL ITEM THAT WOULD ARE DOING THE CIVIL YEAH BUT YEAH ACCORDING TO MY MY I DO HAVE DEVELOPMENT QUESTIONS OKAY HEY THERE. SO KONRAD SOLVEIG IN WITH KIMBERLY WARREN WE DID THE TIE FOR THE SITE AS FAR AS THE OFFSITE IMPROVEMENTS THAT WE'VE BEEN DISCUSSING ERIC IDENTIFIED A FEW OF THEM BUT WHAT WE HAVE IDENTIFIED ARE SOME BIG KEY INTERSECTIONS OF PALESTINE DRIVE SLASH CHERRY POINT AT SC 170 WE WOULD BE ADDING AN ADDITIONAL SOUTHBOUND TURN LANE TO INCREASE THE QUEUE CAPACITY AND THE NUMBER OF LEFT TURNS I CAN IN OUR TRADE POINT TO ACCOMMODATE OUR TRAFFIC AS WELL AS SCHOOL TRAFFIC I THINK I THINK I'M SORRY TO INTERRUPT YOU BUT I THINK ALL OF THOSE WERE DESCRIBED IN YOUR 2022 TIRE. YES, SIR. OKAY. 
          AS BEEN WE HAVE NOT SEEN AN UPDATE ON THE OFFSITE INFRASTRUCTURE RECOMMENDATIONS SINCE THE 2022 PLAN WAS PUT OUT. DO YOU RECOMMENDATIONS THAT HAVE CHANGED SINCE THEN? SO YOU'RE STANDING THE FOOTAGE IS CHANGING FOR COMMERCIAL ETC. 
          YES. SO WE DID CONDUCTED A MEMO THAT WE SENT TO ERIC HERE RECENTLY ABOUT THE DIFFERENCE IN OUR TRIP GENERATION BETWEEN THE TWO DIFFERENT LAND USES OR EXCUSE ME BETWEEN THE TWO DIFFERENT SITE CONCEPTS WE HAVE THE ONE DONE IN 2022 WE HAVE THE UPDATED 2023 IS WHAT YOU'RE ASKING ABOUT CORRECT? NO, NOT NOT THE TRIP GENERATION. THOSE ARE ON SITE WAS THE ON SITE COMING OFF I'M INTERESTED IN THE SURROUNDING INFRASTRUCTURE WHEN YOU STEP INTO 170. 
          SO MY QUESTION IS YOU HAVE MADE A SERIES OF RECOMMENDATIONS ABOUT THAT AND YOU MADE SOME ALTERNATIVE ON THE RIVERWALK SIGNALIZATION ISSUE. HAVE YOU UPDATED ANYTHING OF THOSE OFFSITE INFRASTRUCTURE SINCE 2022 MARCH OF NO SIR. OKAY THANKS. 
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SORRY THAT'S RIGHT. ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS WOULD YOU WANT TO DEVELOP MENT ITSELF? IN A WAY IT'S PLANNED OUT RIGHT NOW IF YOU'RE LOOKING ON THIS IN FRONT OF US NOW TO MY LEFT YOU'RE RIGHT. THERE'S A LOT COMMERCIAL FRONTAGE RIGHT THERE. IT'S ON OVER TO HIGHWAY 170. I KNOW THAT IN THE ZONING AND I KNOW MARK TALKED ABOUT THIS AS WELL THAT WE'D HAVE FLEXIBILITY WITH THIS OVERLAY. 
          BUT I KNOW THAT AS THAT IS PLANNING TO GET REZONING THE T FOR FOUR I GOING TO FIND IT NOW YEAH TWO FOUR AND SEE THAT IT DOES ALLOW FOR THINGS THAT COULD EVEN BE A HOTEL IS THAT CORRECT UH IS THAT ON OR DID I READ THAT INCORRECTLY? NO, IT'S TOO DARK PURPLE FOR US. YEAH. YEAH. 
          SO IN REGARDS TO YOUR PLEASE CAN YOU PLEASE SO USE IS IF THE ZONING EVEN IF IT GOES BACK THAT WAS A STRAIGHT ZONING YES THOSE USES ARE ALLOWED SO WHAT YOU TRY TO ACHIEVE AND I'M NOT GOING TO I'M NOT I'M NOT GOING TO TRY TO IS IF THE ZONING CODE SHOWS IT ISN'T ALLOWED USE THAT THAT USE CAN BE LOCATED ON THE BUT IF A TIRE THIS IS HOW I WOULD VISIT IN MY PROFESSIONAL IF IT DIDN'T ADDRESS USE AS A PART OF THE PROGRAMING IN THE OFF I WOULD SAY THEY WOULD HAVE A DIFFICULT TIME DOING IT UNLESS CAME BACK UPDATED ALL THAT STUFF AND IDENTIFIED THAT TRAFFIC. SO WHEN YOU COMBINE THE REGULATING PLAN WITH THE STREET GRID NETWORK SYSTEM THAT KIND OF STARTS DICTATING HOW BIG BUILDINGS CAN BE AND WHERE PARKING YOU START TO HELP DEFINE SOME OF THOSE FUTURE ACTUAL IMPLEMENTATIONS AND THEN WHEN YOU LAYER THAT WITH A TRAFFIC THAT HAS CERTAIN USES IDENTIFIED THAT THEN GETS LOCKED IN THE DAY IT STARTS HELPING KIND OF BUILD THAT BUT I DO WANT TO MAKE IT I DON'T WANT TO SAY THAT IT'S A MAGIC KRYPTONITE JUST SOLVES ALL THE PROBLEMS. THAT'S NOT WHAT I'M SAYING. I'M SAYING IT STARTS HELP TAKES SOME OF THE ANTICIPATION OF CERTAIN USES THAT MIGHT BE ALLOWED IN THE CODE AND STARTS PUSHING THEM TO THE SIDE BECAUSE IT WOULD BE VERY DIFFICULT TO GET THEM BUILT ON THE PROPERTY. 
          I DON'T KNOW THAT ANSWERS THE QUESTION BUT I'M JUST TRYING TO I MEAN I THINK THAT THAT YES, IF THE ZONING SAYS IT'S ALLOWED IT WOULD BE ALLOWED ON THE SITE BUT THEY WOULD HAVE TO FIT THAT BUILDING AND THAT USE AND ALL THE REQUIRED PARKING WITHIN ONE OF THOSE BLOCKS THAT YOU SEE WITH ANY ROAD NETWORK. RIGHT. AND IF IF IT'S ALLOWED THEY CAN DO IT AND MEET ALL THE REQUIREMENTS AND THE SITE DEVELOPMENT REQUIREMENTS. 
          OKAY. ALL RIGHT. WOULD TAKE AWAY FROM OTHER COMMERCIAL APARTMENT BUILDING. YOU CAN DO THAT. OKAY I'M SORRY. 
          SAY THAT AGAIN, PLEASE. THAT WOULD TAKE AWAY FROM OTHER DEVELOPMENT THAT YOU COULD DO THAT AREA OR OTHER COMMERCIAL. SO YEAH THERE'S MAXES ON WHAT YOU CAN DO BUT THERE'S SOME FLEXIBILITY TO WHAT THAT IS. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. 
          THANK YOU. OKAY. YOU HAVE THE QUESTIONS SO ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          I THINK THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY FOR PUBLIC COMMENT. I BET SOME THINK TEN OR SO HERE IN FRONT OF ME MORE LIKE OKAY. JUST A REMINDER BEFORE WE START THIS WHEN YOU COME UP PLEASE INTRODUCE YOURSELF. WE ARE LOCATED YOU HAVE 3 MINUTES SO IT SHOULD BE RESPECTFUL THE AUDIENCE IF YOU HAVE IF YOU HEAR SOMETHING BEING SAID THAT YOU ALSO WOULD LIKE TO SAY PLEASE TO AVOID ANY REDUNDANCY WE HEAR YOU FIRST TIME AND SO YOU HAVE THAT OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK AND IF YOU HAVE SOMETHING YOU WANT TO OFFER THEN THAT BY ALL MEANS DO IT. SO ONE OTHER FACTOR WE ARE A BODY TO COUNTY COUNCIL. 
          IT STILL GOES THROUGH A PROCESS FROM US AFTER WE MAKE OUR RECOMMENDATION THROUGH THE LAND USE COMMITTEE AND THEN ON TO COUNTY COUNCIL FOR UP TO THREE READINGS AND PUBLIC MEETING FOR A FINAL DECISION. THAT TAKES TAKE SEVERAL MONTHS I BELIEVE SO WITH THAT IN MIND I HAVE THE FIRST SPEAKER WHO WOULD DETERMINE THE LIST HERE TERRY LESTER EVENING I'M LESTER I'M A 32 YEAR RESIDENT 146 CHERRY POINT ROAD I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG YOU'VE BEEN AROUND OR ON THE COUNCIL. I WAS AT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN MEETINGS AND AS I REMEMBER IT 
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IT IS ONE HOUSE FOR TWO AND A HALF ACRES WHICH IS OWN RULE AND THAT ENTIRE CORRIDOR WAS TO BE RULE AND WE'VE DONE ALL WE'VE DONE THINGS TO TO DO DIFFERENT THINGS BUT WE SPENT A TON OF MONEY THERE AND WE'RE NOT LISTENING AND THESE ARE PEOPLE THAT WE SUPPOSEDLY RESPECTED BECAUSE WE PAID THEM TO DO THESE THINGS FOR US. SO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN HAS IS NOW TO ME A MYTH BUT LET ME MOVE ON YOU DO UNDERSTAND THAT THERE'S 70 SOMEWHAT ACRES OR HUNDRED HOMES OKAY WHAT'S YOUR TRAFFIC THING IS NOT SHOWING ALSO IS THAT THERE'S 300 GOING IN ACROSS THE STREET WHICH IS OAKS WHICH IS NOT TRUE EITHER BECAUSE 300 ACRES FOR THERE'S 300 300 MORE BEHIND MAITLAND MAITLAND AND RIVERS OAKS WILL DUMP ON TO CHERRY POINT ROAD AND IF YOU HAVEN'T OUT THERE PLEASE DRIVE OUT YOU CAN SEE OUR BRAND NEW ROAD AND AS YOU LEAVE DIRT YOU CAN TOUCH THE FIRE HYDRANT IF YOU'RE ON THE ROAD THAT'S HOW CLOSE THE FIRE HYDRANT IS. THIS IS THE WONDERFUL WORK THAT'S BEEN DONE OUT THERE AND YOU TURN AROUND AND GO TO LEAVE. YOU CAN RIDE IN THE POTHOLES IN THE RIGHT HAND LANE AS YOU EXIT. OKAY. 
          WE CANNOT GET AND OUT OF OUR IF YOU I WOULD LOVE FOR YOU ALL TO COME SEE ME AT 245 IN THE AFTERNOON DURING SCHOOL YEAR YOU WON'T GET THERE UNTIL THREE 350 YOU KNOW WE HAVE BEEN BACK MINDING OUR OWN BUSINESS THEY BUILD A SCHOOL AND BY THE WAY, ALL THIS IS NOT NEW. 
          YOU DO REALIZE THAT, CORRECT? ALL THIS WAS PRESENTED IN 2004 EVERY BIT OF IT WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE ANIMAL SHELTER IS EVERYTHING THAT THEY'RE SHOWING YOU WAS SHOWN IN 2004 DON'T BELIEVE ME PLEASE LOOK AT THE RECORDS. THE OTHER THING THAT'S VERY INTERESTING IN ALL OF THIS IS THAT THESE ORIGINAL DEVELOPMENTS WERE PASSED BECAUSE THE DEVELOPMENT THOUSAND DOLLARS PER UNIT WHAT ARE WE GETTING NOW LESS THAN A THOUSAND OR THOUSANDS WHAT I'VE SO WE HAVE GONE ANOTHER TO THE TRAFFIC STUDY FROM 2008 2007 SHOWED WE NEEDED SIX LANES ALREADY ON 170 AND WE'RE WE'RE RUNNING OFF OF A 2019 THIS IS 2023 PEOPLE HOW MANY THINGS HAVE PROGRESSED SINCE THEN HOW MANY DEVELOPMENTS HAVE GONE THROUGH HOW MANY MORE CARS? THANK YOU KAYLA RIMES. GOOD EVENING, COMMISSIONERS. 
          MY NAME IS KAYLA ROMANS. I'M THE DIRECTOR OF AT THE OPEN LAND TRUST HERE AND BEFORE AND ON BEHALF THE LAND TRUST I'M HERE TO EXPRESS OUR CONCERNS REGARDING THE REZONING FOR 1691 OKATIE HIGHWAY OUR CONSERVATION EASEMENT GRANT MARGARET SHE SHARES THE SAME APPREHENSIONS THAT WE HAVE FOR THE OKATIE RIVER WELL-BEING AND SHE SHARED HER COMMENTS WITH YOU VIRTUALLY AND IT SHOULD ALSO BE NOTED THAT HER PROPERTY WAS PROTECTED THROUGH THE COUNTY RURAL AND CRITICAL LAND PRESERVATION PROGRAM BACK IN 2010 SINCE DIRECTLY ACROSS OAK CREEK FROM THIS PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT AND WHILE WE APPRECIATE GOAL OF CREATING WALKABLE NODES ALONG HIGHWAY 170 WE URGE YOU TO CAREFULLY THE DISTRIBUTION OF OBSERVING CLASSIFICATIONS IN THIS DEVELOPMENT THE NEAR EQUAL ALLOCATION OF T FOR NEIGHBORHOOD CENTER AND T THREE NEIGHBORHOOD ZONING REPRESENTS A SIGNIFICANT CHANGE FROM THE EXISTING T TO RURAL DESIGNATION SUCH AS A SUBSTANTIAL SHIFT IN ZONING REQUIRES CAREFUL CAREFUL CONSIDERATION WE RESPECTFULLY REQUEST THAT YOU ASSESS THE CUMULATIVE IMPACTS ON THE HIGHWAY 170 CORRIDOR THE OKATIE RIVER AND NEARBY PROTECTED PROPERTIES WHICH ARE SHOWN ON A MAP THAT I INCLUDED WITH MY WRITTEN COMMENTS ARE PROPOSED IMPROVEMENTS INCLUDE INCREASED BUFFERS TO PROTECT THE RIVER AND WETLANDS, EXPANDED COMMUNITY OPEN SPACES AND AN EVALUATION OF HOW THE DEVELOPMENT INTERACTS WITH NEIGHBORING PROJECTS. THE CURRENT PLAN LACKS ESSENTIAL DETAIL TO ADDRESS THESE CONCERNS ADEQUATELY AND WE IMPLORE YOU TO INCORPORATE THESE RECOMMENDATIONS INTO THE FINAL PLAN ALIGNING THE DEVELOPMENT WITH COMMUNITY OBJECTIVES AND PRESERVING THE ENVIRONMENT TO THE BEST OF YOUR ABILITY. 
          PLEASE CONSIDER THIS CONCERNS EXPRESSED BY THE EASEMENT GRANT OR MARGARET WHO CANNOT HERE TONIGHT BUT HER INSIGHTS ARE INVALUABLE AND THEY DESERVE A THOROUGH EXAMINATION. 
          THANK YOU FOR YOUR ATTENTION. I TRUST YOU'LL CAREFULLY CONSIDER THESE IN PROTECTING THE OKATIE RIVER AND OKATIE CREEK AS BEST AS WE CAN SO IF YOU REQUIRE ANY MORE QUESTIONS 
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FEEL FREE TO REACH OUT TO ME AND I'LL BE HAPPY TO. TO YOU. 
          THANKS. HAVE A GOOD NIGHT. THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. KAY YEOMANS. KAY YEOMANS. 
          I LIVE AT 177 CHERRY POINT ROAD AND THERE FOR 38 YEARS. DON'T TRY TO GO HOME WHEN SCHOOLS LET DOWN. HOPE YOU DON'T HAVE A FIRE AT YOUR HOUSE OR NEED AN AMBULANCE BECAUSE YOU CAN GET THERE AND GET ALL THE WAY OUT. OWNED 170 AND IF YOU'RE COMING IN FROM THE NORTH SIDE THEY DON'T YIELD UNLESS YOU LIVE IN ONE UP STUCK IN THE INTERSECTION. THERE'S A LOT OF WETLANDS THAT ARE GOING INTO THE CREEK NOW WE DON'T SEE THE CRABS AND SHRIMP LIKE WE PREVIOUSLY DID. WE HAVE A LOT OF WILDLIFE IN THIS ZONE AND NATURE YOU ONLY WANT TO PUT A 20 FOOT BUFFER FOR THIS OLD EXISTING NEIGHBORHOOD AND I THINK WE NEED A LOT MORE THAN THAT. AND OTHER THAN THAT AGREE WITH WHAT EVERYBODY ELSE. THANK YOU. I THINK IT'S THE LEASE IN THE MARSH MAKA THANK YOU. LAMARCA AND MY HUSBAND AND I LIVE ON HILTON HEAD AND WE'RE HOPING TO ESCAPE THE OVER AND THE TRAFFIC AND WE BOUGHT THIS PRECIOUS OF PROPERTY AT CHERRY POINT AND CALL IT UNSPOILED AND WE'RE ABOUT TO SPOIL IT IF WE CONTINUE WITH WHAT HAS BEEN APPROVED RIVER WALK OR OAKS OR I DON'T KNOW THE NAME OF THAT ONE MARYLAND BLUFF THEY'RE ALL GOING TO CONNECT TO US ON CHERRY POINT. SO WHILE IT'S GREAT THAT WE CONNECTED THE NEIGHBORHOODS TO GO BEHIND IN 170, YOU'RE HURTING THE NEIGHBORHOODS AND TRAFFIC STUDY DID IT. THE 652 DID THAT INCLUDE RIVER OAKS AND BOTH COMING OFF THE CHERRY POINT? THAT WOULD BE AN QUESTION. I THINK 700 HOMES BEFORE 400 WE'RE ABOUT TO ADD IS EXCESSIVE ABSOLUTELY EXCESSIVE FOR THIS PRISTINE AREA ON THE OKATIE RIVER. WHICH BRINGS ME TO THE NEXT POINT WHICH IS WHAT KIND OF ENVIRONMENTAL STUDIES HAVE BEEN DONE. ALL OF THE COMMUNITIES UP 170 ESPECIALLY THE ONES THAT IMPACT THE OKATIE RIVER. WHAT'S BEEN DONE TO MAKE SURE WE PRESERVE THAT TREASURE THAT WE HAVE. THAT'S AN IMPORTANT QUESTION I WOULD LIKE ANSWERED BEFORE ANY MORE DEVELOPMENT IS DONE IN CHERRY POINT. 
          THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, SCOTTIE DANIEL. 
          GOOD EVENING. I CURRENTLY LIVE IN BLUFFTON WE PURCHASED A PIECE OF PROPERTY 165 CHERRY POINT WHERE WE WERE IN PROCESS OF BUILDING A HOUSE. FIRST OFF, AS COMMISSIONER ROSS POINTED OUT, THEY'RE TO PUT SOMETHING ON 71 ACRES THAT DOESN'T BELONG ON 71 ACRES. 
          ALL OF A SUDDEN WE'RE GOING TO TAKE INTO TOTALITY ALL THE OTHER SUBDIVISIONS AND CONSIDER THAT TO BE PART OF THIS TO MAKE IT FIT. LIKE THEY SAID, NOTHING HAPPENS IN A VACUUM. ALL THESE SUBDIVISIONS, ALL THESE ARE OVERCROWDING OF SCHOOLS AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION IS RECOMMENDING BASED ON A FUTURE REFERENDUM TO FOR ALL OF THIS FUTURE TAXES TO PAY FOR ALL THIS. IF I WENT OUT AND BOUGHT A CAR BASED ON A FUTURE PAY RAISE I WOULD BE AN IDIOT. IF I CAME TO YOU TONIGHT AND SAID I WANT TO BUILD A 30 FOOT STATUE IN MY FRONT YARD AND I KNOW IT'S ILLEGAL, IT'S NOT ALLOWED BUT YOU'RE GOING TO VOTE ON THAT IN TWO YEARS. WILL YOU LET ME BUILD IT? THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE ASKING US TO DO. THEY'RE WANTING US TO APPROVE SOMETHING NOW OFFER SOMETHING IN THE FUTURE AND I DON'T AGREE WITH THAT. 
          ALSO I'D LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT IT'S A MINOR THING BUT WHEN THEY WERE UP HERE TALKING THEY TALKED ABOUT THE PARTNERSHIP BETWEEN THE APPLICANT AND THE COMMISSION. 
          I'M SORRY THEY TALKED ABOUT THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND THE COMMISSIONERS WORKING ON THESE 
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THINGS TOGETHER. NEVER MENTIONED THE CITIZENS. I THINK WE'RE LOSING TOUCH WITH WHO THEY SERVE WHICH IS US AND IT'S VERY TELLING WHEN THEY JUST GLOSS OVER. 
          I AGREE WITH THE FACT THAT THAT 20 FOOT BUFFER NEEDS TO BE MUCH LARGER. 
          I WOULD SUGGEST A BERM WITH SOME KIND OF PLANT. WE'RE BUILDING A HOUSE THAT COULD BE ENDED UP LOOKING INTO THE BACK OF AN APARTMENT COMPLEX. 
          WE DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING TO GO IN THERE. IT'S JUST A LITTLE SQUARE BLOCK ON YOUR PLAN AT THIS POINT. BUT THIS IS OUR NEIGHBORHOOD AND OUR LIFE AND I DON'T SEE THE NEED TO TURN THAT SPIGOT WIDE OPEN AND HAVE 400 HOUSES BROUGHT IN. 
          HAVE YOU TRIED TO GET A DOCTOR'S APPOINTMENT LATELY? HAVE YOU TRIED TO GO SEE A DENTIST? YOU'RE LOOKING AT 6 TO 9 MONTHS OUT AND WE JUST KEEP OPENING UP THAT SPIGOT. YOU CONTROL THE SIZE OF THE SIZE OF THE TIDAL WAVE COMES TOWARDS US THROUGH THIS YOU CAN REGULATE THAT. I DON'T WANT TO LIVE IN GARDEN CITY, GEORGIA. I WANT TO LIVE IN BEAUFORT, SOUTH CAROLINA. 
          THANK YOU FOR IT. IT LOOKS LIKE BETTER. THANK YOU DIRK STANDER. 
          MY WIFE AND I ON THE PROPERTY AT 169 CHERRY POINT ROAD. I'LL MAKE IT QUICK BECAUSE A LOT OF THE OTHER COMMENTS WERE ALREADY SAID. NUMBER ONE WOULD BE SAFETY. 
          OBVIOUSLY WE SPOKE ABOUT THE TRAFFIC ISSUES FOR NINE MONTHS OUT OF THE YEAR. 
          YOU CANNOT GET ON CHERRY POINT ROAD TWO TIMES DURING THE DAY. NO POLICE OR FIRE CAN ACCESS AT THAT TIME EITHER. THERE'S ALSO BACKUP ON 170. I KNOW SHORT TERM TRAFFIC ANALYSIS TALKED ABOUT INCREASING THE LENGTH OF THE LANE AT 462 BECAUSE OF THE SAFETY ISSUE WHILE THERE WAS A SAFETY ISSUE AT CHERRY POINT ALREADY AND THAT'S NOT ON THEM OR THE COUNTY IT'S JUST SOMETHING WE NEED TO ADDRESS BEFORE WE MOVE FORWARD. 
          SCHOOL CAPACITY IS ANOTHER CONCERN IN THIS PAPER THAT I THINK EVERYONE RECEIVED THE C0O SAID AT THIS TIME TO BE COUNTY SCHOOL DISTRICT DOES NOT HAVE ABILITY OR FUNDING TO ANY NEW RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT THAT COULD INCREASE THE NUMBER OF SCHOOL AGE CHILDREN THE AREA . IF WE MOVE TO UPROOT IF YOU ALL MOVE TO APPROVE THIS YOU WOULD BE DOING A DISSERVICE TO THE CURRENT STUDENTS AND THE FUTURE STUDENTS I FEEL LIKE AND SOMEONE HAD ALREADY SAID IT WE'RE PUTTING THE CART WELL BEFORE THE HORSE. 
          THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT TO BE ADDRESSED PRIOR TO THIS BEING DONE. 
          THE DENSITY IS ALSO A VERY BIG CONCERN OF MINE. UM RIVER OAKS COMMUNITY IS 63 ACRES AND THAT'S 330 UNITS. THIS IS 70 ACRES AND THAT'S OF THAT 70 ROUGHLY. 
          NOT ALL OF IT WOULD BE RESIDENTIAL WOULD BE COMMERCIAL UP FRONT BUT THEY'RE TALKING 419 UNITS. THAT'S A LOT OF IMPERVIOUS AREA . 
          SO WHERE DOES ALL THAT WATER GO? I KNOW ON THE PLAN IT SAYS BIO SWALES RAIN GARDENS AND SOME OTHER BUT THERE'S A WETLAND AREA IN THERE THAT WOULD BE NEGATIVELY AFFECTED AS WELL BECAUSE ALL THAT NATURAL RAINFALL THAT NOW GOES INTO THE WETLAND WOULD NOT BE GOING IN THERE. UM, SO WITH THAT THE THAT DECREASE IN WATER IN THE WETLANDS WOULD INCREASE DROUGHT FLOOD DAMAGE INCREASE IN NUTRIENT RUNOFF AND WATER POLLUTION INCREASE SHORELINE EROSION AND TRIGGER A DECLINE IN WILDLIFE POPULATIONS. SO THOSE ARE JUST SOME THINGS I'D BE MORE PEOPLE HAVE STUFF TO SAY BUT I'LL LEAVE YOU WITH THIS SIGNIFICANT PORTION OF COUNTY IS COVERED BY RURAL ZONING NATURAL ZONING AND COMMUNITY PRESERVATION AREAS WHICH HELPS TO PROTECT AND PRESERVE THE CHERISHED WORLD QUALITIES OF NEST FROM THAT 2040 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. 
          THANK. THANK YOU. KATHLEEN KENNEDY CAN DO. 
          YOU KNOW KEATING FROM KATHY I'VE LIVED ON CHERRY POINT ROADS I THINK ABOUT 2132 YEARS NOW PRETTY MUCH EVERYBODY'S ADDRESSED EVERYTHING AND WANTED TO SAY HOWEVER I SAID THIS IN 2019 I SAY IT AGAIN A LANDFILL IS A POPULATION LANDFILL AND THIS IS WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT. 
          I INVITE YOU PLEASE I INVITE YOU TO PLEASE COME AND SEE WHAT THEY'RE DOING BEHIND ME ELEMENTARY SCHOOL BEFORE YOU PROVE ANYTHING. OKAY. 
          AND DO REMEMBER THEY'RE ONE OF THESE HOUSEHOLDS THAT'S NOT ONE CAR. 
          THAT'S TWO CARS. SO I'M NOT QUITE SURE HOW THAT TRAFFIC STUDY WORKS. 
          COME COME AND VISIT US WHEN THE SCHOOL OPENS. COME AND STAND ACROSS THE STREET AND WATCH IT BECAUSE IT'S SCARY AS, YOU KNOW? COME COME AND LOOK AT THE DEER 
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THAT ARE DYING AROUND THERE. COME TO OUR ROAD. THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. CASEY EXAMINER CAMERA. HELLO. 
          I'M CASEY. I GUESS I'M 161 ON CHERRY POINT . 
          MY HUSBAND AND I ACTUALLY JUST BOUGHT ONE A PROCESS OF CLOSING ON THE IN THE NEXT TWO WEEKS AND I GUESS FOR ME I'M FROM WASHINGTON D.C. SO I'M FROM A VERY BIG CITY AREA AND WE WE MOVED HERE TO THE MASS AMOUNTS OF PEOPLE. THIS IS OUR PARADISE. 
          WE WENT ON OUR HONEYMOON AND SAID THIS IS IT. THIS AREA BEAUFORT COUNTIES. 
          I KNOW THAT THEY ARE SAYING THAT THEY WANT IT TO LOOK LIKE CAVERSHAM AVERAGE HOMES GORGEOUS. BUT IF YOU'VE SEEN THE HOMES THAT THEY'RE PLANNING ON PUTTING ON RIVER OAKS, THEY'RE CHEAP AND THEY DO NOT LOOK LIKE HABERSHAM. 
          WHEN I LOOK AT LOT WE'RE GOING TO BE BUILDING. I WANT MY CHILDREN TO BE ABLE TO RUN OUTSIDE AND HAVE THEIR FEET IN GRASS AND SEE THE WILDLIFE THAT'S AROUND THERE. 
          AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE STUDIES ON OYSTER BEDS, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GUYS HAVE DONE IT BUT FROM THE VERY TIP OF WHERE WE ARE CHERRY POINT, IT'S CLOSED ALL THE WAY TO BAILEY'S LANDING. 
          THERE'S NO MORE OYSTER BEDS THERE. THAT'S AN ISSUE AND THIS IS GOING TO MAKE IT EVEN. WHEN I THINK ABOUT MONEY, THAT'S WHAT THE MAIN POINT IS HERE IS THESE COMPANIES ARE MOVING. THEY WANT MONEY. 
          THEY'RE BUILDING THESE HOMES THAT ARE CHEAPLY TO MAKE MORE MONEY. 
          AND FOR US I DON'T KNOW. RIGHT NOW I'M HAVE MY MY HOUSE IS COVERED BUT YOU SEE WHERE THE LITTLE CABIN IS? THAT'S WHERE MY HOUSE IS GOING TO BE AND THIS 20 FOOT BERM IS NOT ENOUGH. IF THERE'S A TWO FLOOR HOUSE, I'M GOING TO HAVE PEOPLE LOOKING INTO MY BACKYARD. DO I KNOW IF THERE IS A SEXUAL PREDATOR WATCHING MY CHILDREN RUN NAKED IN THE BACKYARD. I NEED TO PROTECT THAT AND I DON'T THINK THAT THAT'S SOMETHING ANYONE ELSE IS THINKING OF IS THE CHILDREN. IT'S ABOUT MONEY, NOT THE CHILDREN. IT'S NOT ABOUT THE OYSTER BEDS . 
          IT'S NOT ABOUT PRESERVING WHAT WE HAVE. PEOPLE ARE MOVING HERE IN DROVES TO GET A PIECE OF WHAT WE HAVE AND WE NEED TO PROTECT IT AND IT'S IT'S IT'S YOUR OPPORTUNITY TO PROTECT IT. I DON'T WANT YOU TO THINK OF IT AS IT'S A RESPONSIBILITY IT'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO PROTECT IT. EVERY SINGLE ONE OF YOU HAS THAT OPPORTUNITY FOR YOUR CHILDREN, YOUR GRANDCHILDREN AND FOR MY CHILDREN. THANK YOU. 
          AS THE END OF THE PUBLIC COMMENT. OKAY. 
          ANYBODY WOULD LIKE TO ASK A QUESTION THE STAFF FOR TRANSPORTATION OR NO THANKS I THAT'S ALL I HAD. DID YOU HAVE ANOTHER ONE? NO. 
          ALL RIGHT. WELL, IF IT'S A MATTER ONE THEN SURE. 
          COME ON UP. I'D LIKE TO JUST ADD A QUICK REMARK THE APP. 
          SURELY IT DOES REDUCE LOCATION ROLE. YES, SIR AND MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION MY NAME IS KEVIN DUKES. I'M AN ATTORNEY WITH HARVEY BARRY LAW FIRM AND I REPRESENT THE APPLICANT I'VE BEEN BROUGHT ON JUST RECENTLY ACTUALLY SPECIFICALLY TO WORK AS THINGS MOVE FORWARD ON DEVELOPING THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT. 
          I THINK THAT WHEN WE STARTED MR. DAVIS WAS TALKING ABOUT THE PLACE OVERLAY THAT THIS IS THE FIRST TIME THAT THIS HAS BEEN DONE AND SO I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE UNDERSTAND EXACTLY KIND OF WHERE ARE HERE AND THEN MOVING FORWARD THERE'S A LOT MORE TO BE DONE AS OPPOSED TO A STANDARD REZONING. THIS IS VERY LIKE I THINK AS YOU MENTIONED UH HUD'S WAS IN THE PAST THAT WAS DONE AWAY WITH THEN THERE WAS A NEED FOR IT AND SO THIS NEW PLACE TYPE OVERLAY HAS KIND OF COME TO FILL THE VOID IT ALLOWS FOR THE COUNTY AND THE STAFF CREATE COMMUNITIES LIKE HABERSHAM TO CREATE THINGS THAT I THINK THAT MOST OF US WANT AND IN ORDER TO DO THAT YOU WORK THROUGH THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT TO UP WITH SOLUTIONS TO LOTS OF THE OVERLAY OF THE T FOUR AND THE T THREE IS TRUE BUT IT DOESN'T HAVE TO OVERLAY T FOUR AND THREE CARTE BLANCHE THERE CAN BE THINGS ACCEPTED OUT THERE CAN BE THINGS THAT ARE THERE ARE DEALT WITH THROUGH THAT PROCESS DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT. SO I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY YOU 
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KNOW THAT POSITION. THE OTHER THING I THINK WHICH IS IMPORTANT WE'VE HEARD A LOT TONIGHT I THINK SPECIFICALLY ON TRAFFIC THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME MORE DETAILS I THINK GIVEN TO COMMISSION. UM AND WE CAN CERTAINLY WORK WITH STAFF AND TO GET SOME MORE DETAILS, MORE SPECIFICS AND MAYBE SOME MORE GRAPHICS TO SHOW EXACTLY WHERE THOSE ITEMS ARE DEALT WITH TO IN A WAY WORK TO IMPROVE YOU KNOW, CHERRY POINT ROAD TO IMPROVE SOME OF THE CONNECTIVITY AND TO IMPROVE OVERALL 170 AS THIS PROJECT GOES FORWARD AND AND I WOULD SAY THAT IN AN EFFORT TO MAYBE PRESENT SOME INFORMATION BECAUSE THIS IS THE FIRST TIME THIS HAS BEEN DONE FOR A PLACE TYPE OVERLAY AND TO MAYBE GO THROUGH SOME MORE OF THAT PROCESS. LOOK HOW WE'RE GOING TO WORK TOGETHER WITH STAFF AND TO PROVIDE Y'ALL WITH SOME MAYBE SOME MORE SPECIFICS. HAPPY TO TAKE NOTES ON THE OTHER THINGS YOU MIGHT WANT. I WOULD ASK THAT WE CONTINUE TO THE NEXT MEETING. 
          I BELIEVE THAT UH THERE IS A SECTION THREE OF Y'ALL RULES PROVIDES FOR A CONTINUANCE ONE CONTINUANCE OF RIGHT BY THE APPLICANT TO ASK THAT BE ALLOWED AND HAVING TO FIELD ANY QUESTIONS ANY SPECIFICS Y'ALL WANT SO THAT WHEN WE COME BACK MAYBE WE'RE ACTUALLY ADDRESSING Y'ALL'S Y'ALL'S CONCERNS OR SOME OF THE CONCERNS OF THE PUBLIC SO ADDRESSES BECAUSE I DO THIS TOOL THE PLACE TYPE OVERLAY TOOL THE WAY WE GET TO CONSCIENTIOUS DEVELOPMENT IN THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT CODE SPECIFIED A VILLAGE TYPE OVERLAY IN THIS AREA THAT WAS FORESEEN BY THE PLANNERS UNDER THE CODE AND THIS IS THE THIS IS THE TOOL TO GET WHAT THE WANTS WHAT THE COUNTY COUNCIL WANTS, WHAT THIS BODY WANTS IT IT IS IT IS A GREAT TOOL I BELIEVE AND SO I DON'T I WOULD HATE TO TO RUSH THROUGH THAT ON ON THE FIRST TIME SO IF WE COULD I'D ASK FOR MAYBE YOUR INPUT AND SEE WHAT WE CAN DO TO MAYBE UTILIZE THAT TOOL A LITTLE BETTER NEXT TIME. BUT THAT WAS MY MAIN REQUEST OF OF THE CHAIRMAN. 
          ALL RIGHT. WELL THANK YOU. DID YOU EVER WANT ASK HIM QUESTIONS AS OR IS REPRESENTING THE APPLICANT? NO, THANK YOU MUCH APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENTS. ARE YOU WITH THE I KNOW YOU SIR AND I'M GRANT MCCLURE. 
          OH THE CONSERVATION LEAGUE. YEAH. UM I'M JUST GETTING GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENTS ON BEHALF OF THE LEAGUE SO THANK YOU. UM, I HAD SIGNED UP BUT I UNDERSTAND I MAY HAVE BEEN LOST IN THE SHUFFLE. SO SO THANK YOU ON THAT. 
          OKAY, GO AHEAD. GREAT. SO ON BEHALF OF THE COASTAL CONSERVATION LEAGUE, THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY COMMENT ON THE PROPOSED CHERRY POINT REZONING TAKE 70 ACRES AT 1691 OKATIE HIGHWAY AND REMOVE IT FROM TWO AH AND EFFECTIVELY APPLIES TO THE PLACE TYPE OVERLAY. UM SO A COORDINATED SC 170 CORRIDOR AREA PLAN WITH SHARED COMMUNITY VISION AND STANDARDS TO FOSTER REGIONAL COOPERATION ALONG THIS HEAVILY HEAVILY USED FAST GROWING MULTI-JURISDICTIONAL CORRIDOR IS NEEDED TO GUIDE RESPONSIBLE GROWTH IN THIS AREA DECISIONS ON SPECIFIC REZONING REQUEST SUCH AS THE CHERRY POINT REZONING SHOULD BE INFORMED BY A PLANNED POLICY AND STANDARDS ABOUT SURROUNDING 170 AND THE COASTAL CONSERVATION LEAGUE STRONGLY ENCOURAGES THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO POSTPONE THIS DECISION ON REZONING AND FUTURE REZONINGS ALONG THE 170 CORRIDOR UNTIL SUCH PLAN IS COMPLETE. WE ALSO SHARE CONCERNS ABOUT TRANSPORTATION AND ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION AND I WANT TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THIS STUDY BECAUSE IT IS REFERENCED SPECIFICALLY IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THE ADMISSION OF  COUNTY 2040 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FOCUSES ON THE C 170 CORRIDOR NOTING THAT SIGNAGE SPRAWLING DEVELOPMENT TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT THE LOSS AND THE LOSS OF RURAL LANDS IS OF CONCERN TO RESIDENTS THAT USE THIS ROAD FOR THEIR PRIMARY ACCESS. 
          THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN RECOMMENDS CHANNELING NEW GROWTH INTO MUNICIPALITIES AND EXISTING DEVELOPMENTS. WE'VE HEARD TONIGHT THERE ARE SEVERAL EXISTING PADS IN THE AREA AND I WOULD IMAGINE THEY ARE NOT YET BUILT OUT AND AND LIMITING GREENFIELD DEVELOPMENT TO PROTECT THESE SENSITIVE LANDS MORE SPECIFICALLY THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AS AN ACTION ITEM AND THAT'S ACTION AB1 DOT THREE THE DEVELOPMENT OF AN SC 170 AREA PLAN IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE CITY HARTSVILLE AND JASPER COUNTY THAT DEFINES A GROWTH FRAMEWORK FOR THE AND 
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ADDRESSES THE ISSUES OF JOINT OF JOINT CONCERN SUCH AS TRANSPORTATION AND ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION AND MY KNOWLEDGE SUCH A STUDY HAS HAS NOT BEEN ACTED UPON AND I THINK IT WOULD REALLY INFORM YOUR DECISION ON THIS SPECIFIC REZONINGS I WILL WANT TO SUPPORT THE OPEN LAND TRUST IN THERE AND THEIR EASEMENT AND I UNDERSTAND THAT THIS CREEK MAY HAVE ACTUALLY BEEN IMPAIRED BY A ABLE ABLE CONTRACTING FIRE WHICH WAS IN 2018 A CONCERNED LANDFILL ACTUALLY CAUGHT ON FIRE. AND SO YOU'VE GOT AN ALREADY IMPAIRED RESOURCE AND JUST ADDING MORE IMPERVIOUS SURFACE IS GOING TO YOU SORT OF FURTHER ENDANGER THAT WATERSHED WE JUST MENTIONED THAT YOU KNOW THIS IS SEEING SOMETHING LIKE 37,000 TRIPS PER DAY AND I THINK MAINTAINING THOSE LOWER DENSITIES THE RURAL AREAS IS REALLY A STRATEGY TO TRY TO MITIGATE SOME OF THAT TRAFFIC RATHER THAN THE FANCY YOU KNOW, FANCY ENGINEERING JUST MAINTAINING THAT RURAL ZONING CAN HELP MITIGATE TRAFFIC. 
          THANK YOU THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY ALL RIGHT. SO DO YOU WANT TO MAKE COMMENTS OR ANY QUESTIONS OR? COMMENTS? I HAVE A TECHNICAL QUESTION MAYBE MORE OR ROB CAN ANSWER WHEN MR. DUKES ASKED FOR CONTINUANCE, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN EXACTLY? WELL, IN TERMS OF GUIDE YOU GIVE YOUR SURE I THINK WHAT AND I DON'T WANT TO SPEAK FOR BUT WHAT HE'S SAYING AS REPRESENTING THE APPLICANT IS THEY LISTEN TO THE CROWD THEY LISTEN TO EVERYTHING HERE AND THEY'RE PERFECTLY OKAY WITH IF FOR DEFERRING OR TABLING THIS ITEM AND AND CONTINUING THIS CONVERSATION NEXT MONTH WITH THE APPLICANT BRINGING ADDITIONAL INFORMATION AND CONTINUING TO WORK WITH STAFF TO FURTHER THIS REGULATING PLAN. MY QUESTION IS THE TIMELINE AND DOES THAT START A CLOCK? DOES THAT MEAN WE HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION WITHIN RATHER THAN WHATEVER HAPPENS HERE TONIGHT IF IT'S A CONTINUANCE, DOES THAT MEAN THAT STARTS 60 DAYS YOU WOULD GET ONE SO YOU CAN HAVE ONE WHICH MEANS 30 DAYS. YES, YOU WOULD HAVE ONE THAT 30 WAS LOUD JUST THAT SOMEBODY COULD MAKE YOU COULD RECOMMEND TO DEFER THE ITEM UNTIL THE MONTH'S MEETING AND YOU ALL CAN DO THAT ONE TIME AFTER THAT YOU HAVE TO EITHER A MAKE A RECOMMENDATION OF WHATEVER THAT RECOMMENDATION MIGHT BE IN A MOTION YEAH. 
          OR THE APPLICANT COULD ON THEIR BEHALF REQUEST TO WE WANT TO HAVE MORE TIME AND COME BACK YOU BUT THAT WOULD BE ON THERE YOU ALL CAN DO IT ONCE YOU CAN'T LIKE THAT AND THAT'S THE PLANNING COMMISSION CAN'T GET TO YOU KNOW THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT THEY WILL TABLE THAT'S BUT YOU ALL CAN DO IT ONE TIME I WAS WONDERING ED IF THE APPLICANT IS AWARE OF THAT AND DOES THE APPLICANT WANT TO WITHDRAW THIS NOW TOO? IS THAT FAIR TO ASK APPLICANT I THINK HIS ATTORNEY THAT'S WHAT I MEAN THE ATTORNEY APPLICANT WELL I THINK HE WAS ASKING FOR A DEFERRAL. HE WAS LIKE FOR A CONTINUANCE IS WHAT HE SAID WHICH IS GO AS OPPOSED TO WITHDRAWING THE APPLICATION. RIGHT. 
          IT SHOULD BE START THE CLOCK ALL OVER AGAIN. RIGHT. 
          SO I JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR THAT SO THE APPLICANT'S ATTORNEY WAS ASKING FOR A CONTINUANCE, IS THAT CORRECT? SO YES, WE UNDERSTAND THAT THIS BODY HAS TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO THE COUNSEL WITHIN 48 HOURS OR SO WE WOULD ASK FOR THAT 30 DAYS TO ACTUALLY AT THAT POINT THERE COULD BE AN TIME TO DO THAT. AND HIS POINT IS IT WOULD BE UPON OUR REQUEST SO WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE TO WAIT FIVE YEARS WHERE OF THAT TIMELINE MAY REQUEST MORE TIME OR THAT YOU ALL HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION. 
          OKAY. OKAY. THANK YOU. 
          I JUST WANT MAKE SURE EVERYONE YEP YEP. THANK OTHER OTHER QUESTIONS. 
          MARK, I JUST HAD A QUICK QUESTION BASED ON MR. MCCLURE'S COMMENT SPECIFIC TO THAT ACTION ITEM THAT WAS REFERENCED IN THE PLAN. WHAT WHAT IS THE STATUS ON THAT? HAS THERE ANY CONVERSATION ABOUT A 170 AREA PLAN OR ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT CORRIDOR PLAN WHEN 70? WELL WELL I'M NOT AS FAMILIAR WITH THAT ACTION ITEMS SO THAT'S WHY I WAS HOPING YOU COULD PROVIDE SOME CLARIFICATION SO YEAH THAT RECOMMENDATION APPLIES REALLY TO THE AREA OF OLD FIELD GOING 
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OUT TO THE INTERSECTION WITH CALCIUM BROAD RIVER THAT PART OF 170 AND COORDINATING A PLAN WITH AND JASPER COUNTY THAT WORK IS BEING INITIATED NOW WOULD SAY AT VERY CONCEPTUAL LEVEL IT'S SO LOCAL THEY'RE PUTTING TOGETHER A COMMITTEE TO LOOK AT THE JOINT PLANNING AND GROWTH BOUNDARIES IN THAT CORRIDOR THAT OF THE MUNICIPALITIES CAN AGREE ON. 
          SO THANK YOU IS JUST MAKE YOURSELF AVAILABLE. ALL RIGHT. 
          IS THERE ANY MORE CONVERSATION THAT WE TO HAVE OR DISCUSSION? YEAH. 
          AFTER HER AND EVERYTHING THAT I HEARD IT'S CLEAR THAT THERE BEEN A LOT OF WORK DONE ON THIS . PEOPLE HAVE BEEN WORKING ON IT FOR WEEKS, PERHAPS MONTHS. 
          WE SAW THIS A WEEK AGO MORE OR LESS SO I NEED MORE TIME. I'M THINK THE REST OF THIS NEED MORE TIME SO I'M IN FAVOR OF THE CONTINUANCE BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE YOUR COMMENTS ABOUT THE TRAFFIC TIMELINE WHO'S RESPONSIBLE THOSE QUESTIONS GET ANSWERED. 
          UM, I ALSO THERE'S I DON'T THINK ANYBODY HERE FROM THE SCHOOL DISTRICT TALKED ABOUT THE SCHOOL SITUATION IF THERE ARE PRETTY MUCH A 2040 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND I THINK EVEN ADDRESSING THAT OR IT I MEAN IT'S TOUGH TO TALK ABOUT SCHOOLS IT LIKE I'LL JUST LEAVE IT AT THAT OKAY BUT ANYWAY I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE SOME MORE CLARIFICATION ON THAT AS WELL. 
          SO THAT'S MY $0.02. OKAY. I'LL THROW IN MY $0.02. 
          THAT'S DOLLARS FOR INFLATION I GUESS. OKAY. 
          GOT IT. I THINK I HAVE SOME ISSUES AND I DON'T KNOW IF CONTINUANCE IS GOING TO SOLVE THIS BECAUSE I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF MOVING PARTS AND I DO APPRECIATE WHAT STAFF HAS DONE AS FAR LOOKING AT THIS TOOL TO BE USED GOING FORWARD AS FAR AS A COMPREHENSIVE IS CONCERNED, UNFORTUNATELY I THINK IT'S ONE OF THOSE NIMBY THINGS NOT IN MY BACKYARD THERE'S A LOT OF BENEFITS TO IT. I THINK GOING FORWARD IT'S GOING TO GREAT IN PARTICULAR AREAS AND I UNDERSTAND YOU KNOW THE PLAN IS A LIVING BREATHING DOCUMENT AND IT IS UP FOR REVIEW OR IT IS UP FOR CHANGE AND A LOT OF INTERSECTIONS IN PARTICULAR COME TO I WANT TO SAY AN IMPACT BUT IN A POSITION LIKE WHERE THERE ARE SO MANY MOVING PARTS SOME THINGS I DON'T THINK IN OPINION AND IT DOESN'T COUNT FOR MUCH ARE GOING TO BE ADDRESSED 30 TO 45 DAYS, 30 TO 45 DAYS. ONE IS AS THE GENTLEMAN SPOKE ABOUT 30 ECOLOGICAL IMPACT THAT THIS WOULD HAVE ON THAT COMMUNITY ON THE OKATIE RIVER, THE OAK TREE BRANCH. I SPOKE WITH THE STORMWATER FOLKS THE DAY BEFORE OR LATE LAST WEEK ABOUT ISSUES THEY HAVE WITH MELON OR OAKS TO SEE WHAT TYPE OF IMPACT THAT IS HAVING AND THE RIVER AS FAR AS YOU KNOW ALL THE FORMS AND EVERYTHING ELSE THAT IS NOW BEING DUMPED INTO THOSE AREAS OF THE REDUCTION IN THE OYSTER BEDS. 
          THE OTHER THING YOU AND I WERE SPEAKING KIND OF BEHIND MICROPHONES A LITTLE BIT IS WITH THE PROPOSED SCOPE REFERENDUM THAT'S IT'S A WISH AND A DREAM NOBODY KNOWS IF THAT'S GOING TO GET APPROVED OR NOT. I THINK ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT FACTS THAT WE HAVE AND THE MOST IMPORTANT FACT THAT WE HAVE RIGHT IS EDUCATING OUR KIDS THAT IT'S ALREADY ON A STRAINED INFRASTRUCTURE AS IT IS AS FAR AS THE SCHOOL SYSTEM . AND JUST TO SAY WELL I HOPE THAT WE DON'T GET PAST THAT WE CAN GROW THAT SCHOOL TO HAVE THEM IT YOU KNOW WORKING OUT A PORTABLE AND EVERYTHING UNTIL THE BUDGET GETS APPROVED AND THE SCHOOL GETS BUILT. LIKE I SAID, I THINK IT'S A GREAT TOOL. I HOPE THAT WE CAN USE TOOL. I'M NOT 100% SURE THAT AN EXTENSION IS GOING TO CLEAR THIS UP IN 30 TO 45 DAYS. WELL, YOU'RE PROBABLY ABSOLUTELY RIGHT AND THAT'S OKAY BECAUSE IN 30 OR 40 DAYS WE'LL KNOW MORE THAN WE DO THIS MOMENT'S TRUTH AND WHAT WHAT WILL HAPPEN IS AT THAT POINT WE CAN THEN SAY OKAY, WE CAN RECOMMEND TO COUNTY COUNCIL TO POSTPONE SALE AND THEY GO BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD DO MORE MASSAGING AND YOU KNOW AND THEN MAYBE THIS TOOL WILL AT A LATER TIME BUT IT'S OKAY FOR THE PROCESS WORK THE WAY IT'S WORKING. ALL RIGHT. 
          I THINK I'M WITH YOU. YES. DO I'VE DONE A LITTLE MATH AND 
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IT APPEARS THAT WE HAVE A DENSITY PROPOSAL IN THIS PROJECT OF ABOUT SIX UNITS PER OR SIX LOTS OF OR SIX PER ACRE WHICH WE'RE DEVELOPING 7200 SQUARE FOOT LOT WHICH IS ROUGHLY A 60 BY 120 FOOT LOT. THESE ARE VERY SMALL LOTS IN AN AREA THAT IS ALREADY IMPACTED DENSITY TO ITS MAX SO I AND AS A AS A PREVIOUS DEVELOPER I WOULD SAY SAY IN FACT I'LL CONFESS THAT I ALWAYS WENT INTO MY FIRST ZONING MEETING WITH A PLAN THAT I KNEW WAS TO BE REJECTED AND THEN I HAD THE ONE READY THAT I THOUGHT WOULD BE THE REASONABLE ONE TO BEGIN WITH AND I THINK A 7200 SQUARE FOOT LOT SIX PER ACRE GIVEN WHAT IS ALREADY HAPPENED AROUND THIS PROPERTY IS TOO MUCH DENSITY. I'M ALSO AND I HEARD FROM FOLKS ABOUT THE BUFFERING I'M REMINDED OF A DEVELOPMENT DOWN THE STREET FROM ME WHERE THE DEVELOPER PROMISED A BUFFER AND ON A WEEKEND HE WENT IN AND MOWED IT ALL DOWN ALL TREES AND ALL THE BUFFERING 20 FOOT IS SIMPLY NOT ENOUGH BUFFERING TO PROTECT THESE PEOPLE THAT SHOULD I DON'T I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE REGULATIONS SAY BUT THERE SHOULD BE MOUNTING AND PLANTING ON TOP OF A MOUND AND YOU CAN'T THAT IN 20 FEET I'M A DEVELOPER I CAN TELL YOU IT WAS UP AND IT GOES DOWN YOU'LL NEVER KEEP ANY GROWTH ON IT BECAUSE IT'S JUST TOO STEEP. 
          THE HAS TO GO UP AND DOWN AND SO THE BUFFERING NEEDS TO BE REVIEWED AND I'M VERY TROUBLED BY THE ENTIRE PRESUMPTION THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE A SCHOOL BOND ISSUE THAT WILL BE APPROVED. AND WE ALL KNOW SCHOOL BOND ISSUES ARE JUST AUTOMATICALLY APPROVED. WAIT A MINUTE. NO, THEY'RE AND SO WE'RE BETTING ON THE OUTCOME THERE I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY CHILDREN ARE GOING TO LIVE IN THESE 400 UNITS BUT I'M GOING TO SUGGEST THAT WILL EXCEED THE CAPACITY AND THEY'RE BETTING ON THE COME AT THE BOND WILL BE APPROVED BASED ON THOSE ISSUES THINK THE PLAN NEEDS TO BE REVISED I THINK THE DENSITY IS WAY TOO HIGH I'M SORRY THAT IT IT'S COME TO THIS BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT EVERYTHING THAT'S HAPPENED AROUND THIS PROPERTY IT'S JUST TOO MUCH THANK YOU THERE ARE COMMENTS YES I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY THAT BY DEFERRING THE 30 DAYS CLEARLY THE APPLICANT HAS HEARD ALL OF THE ISSUES THAT WE'VE HEARD TONIGHT THAT GIVES THEM THE OPPORTUNITY TO PROVIDE US WITH MORE INFORMATION AND WE'LL KNOW IN 30 DAYS WHETHER IT SATISFACTORILY SATISFACTORILY ANSWERS OUR QUESTIONS OR NOT AS YOU WERE SAYING. 
          BUT I ALSO LIKE THE FACT THAT THIS EVEN THOUGH IT'S ANOTHER TRIP FOR FOLKS TO COME BACK HERE AT LEAST IT'S OPPORTUNITY FOR NOT JUST US TO MEASURE THE RESPONSES AND WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED IN THE CHANGES BUT IT ALSO GIVES RESIDENTS AN TO HEAR WHAT'S NEW AND PROVIDE MORE INFORMATION RATHER THAN THAT HAPPENING BEHIND CLOSED DOORS SO I THINK THE THE DEFERRAL MAKES SENSE IN TERMS OF BEING ABLE TO GET MORE OF THIS INFORMATION OUT FRONT AND, SEE WHAT WE CAN DO WITH THIS TOOL THAT WE HAVEN'T HAD A CHANCE TO MAKE A BLOW TO NOW SOME OF THE COMMENTS I'M IN SUPPORT OF A DEFERRAL I THINK THE MORE INFORMATION WE KNOW THE MORE WE CAN SHARE WITH PUBLIC THE MORE THE PUBLIC CAN PARTICIPATE IN THE PROCESS WHICH TO THIS POINT DOESN'T APPEAR THEY'VE BEEN A PART OF THE BETTER POTENTIAL SOLUTIONS AND MAYBE NOT WE'LL GET TO A POINT WHERE THERE'S AN THAT CAN'T BE AGREED TO MY PARTICULAR TAKE IS THE OFFSITE INFRASTRUCTURE THE 170 CORRIDOR IN THAT AREA IS BECOMING EXTREMELY CONGESTED THERE NEW DEVELOPMENTS THERE ARE PROPERTIES FOR SALE ALL UP AND DOWN THAT CORRIDOR AND YOU CAN BE SURE THAT EVERYBODY'S GOING TO JUMP ON IT. THIS IS GOING TO OPEN UP FOR MORE POTENTIAL RETAIL OR STRIP MALL. I JUST DON'T FEEL COMFORTABLE AND THE ANSWERS TO THE QUESTIONS OF WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN WHEN AND WHAT? OING TO BE RESPONSIBLE IT WHEN THERE'S MULTIPLE PEOPLE AND ORGANIZATIONS AND COUNTIES 
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AND SPOUSES I JUST FEEL VERY, VERY UNSTABLE AND PROVEN ANYTHING THAT WOULD LET THIS MOVE FORWARD WITHOUT FURTHER FURTHER LOOK SEE DIGGING DEEPER FOR SOME DETAIL IF THERE'S NO FURTHER COMMENTS I WOULD ASK FOR A ON THIS ISSUE. MR. CHAIRMAN, I MOVE THAT WE DEFER ANY ACTION ON THIS FOR 30 DAYS AND ALLOW THE DEVELOPER TO ADDRESS SOME OF THE ISSUES THAT HAVE BEEN RAISED. SECOND COMMENTS I'M GOING TO VOTE AGAINST THAT MOTION. 
          I THINK THAT 30 DAYS OR 45 DAYS IS SIMPLY NOT ENOUGH TIME TO ADDRESS. 
          I'VE COUNTED EIGHT ISSUES THAT WE'VE ALL BROUGHT AND THAT MEMBERS OF THE AUDIENCE WANT. 
          OKAY THAT'S ALL THE TIME WE HAVE WILL NOT IF WE VOTED AGAINST IT TONIGHT BUT I DON'T THINK I HAVE THAT SUPPORT. WELL THAT'S OKAY THAT'S MY $0.02 OTHER COMMENTS ALL IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION ARE DEFERRAL UNTIL THE NEXT PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING AND AUGUST ADRIAN ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION THOSE OPPOSED AND I WOULD THAT'S FIVE GOT TO GET YOUR DID YOU VOTE DID I VOTE NO OH NO I DIDN'T SAY YOU VOTED IN FAVOR OKAY SO I'M SORRY THAT'S 4442 AGAINST THE MOTION PASSES FOR DEFERRAL AND UNTIL THE AUGUST MEETING. 
          ALL RIGHT, GREAT. THAT'S ALL RIGHT. WE'RE WE'RE NOT WE'RE NOT ADJOURNED WE'RE WE'RE NOT COMMISSIONERS COMMISSIONER'S COMMISSIONERS WE'RE NOT ADJOURNED. THESE GUYS YOU KNOW, MAYBE THEY'LL HAVE MORE COMMISSION BUT I DON'T REALLY HAVE ANYTHING GOING TO TALK ABOUT. I WANT THEM TO GET DOWN GET DOWN TO THE GAME I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING FOR CHAIRMAN'S REPORT ARE THERE ANY OTHER BUSINESS YOU WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS? THANK YOU. I'M SORRY. 
          ANY OTHER BUSINESS YOU WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS TONIGHT? OH NO. 
          WHAT I LIKE ABOUT YOUR END. SORRY. ANY FURTHER BUSINESS YOU WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS THE RIGHT. ALL RIGHT WITH THAT. I HAVE A HARD TIME HERE WITHOUT OBJECTION, THE MEETING'S ADJOURNED
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.