X.1. Administrative Appeal: A request by Eugene & Melanie Marks, owner of 9 Bruin Road to appeal the UDO Administrator's decision to fail the Rough-HD inspection associated with Permit RNEW-08-22-2266, as related to non-approved windows associated with COFA-03-22- 016484, on the property located at 9 Bruin Road, commonly refered to as the Joiner House, a Contributing Resource within the Old Town Bluffton Historic District and zoned Neighborhood Core-HD. (ZONE-05-23-017996)

[X.1. Administrative Appeal: A request by Eugene & Melanie Marks, owner of 9 Bruin Road to appeal the UDO Administrator's decision to fail the Rough-HD inspection associated with Permit RNEW-08-22-2266, as related to non-approved windows associated with COFA-03-22- 016484, on the property located at 9 Bruin Road, commonly refered to as the Joiner House, a Contributing Resource within the Old Town Bluffton Historic District and zoned Neighborhood Core-HD. (ZONE-05-23-017996)]

WE IN THE OLD BUSINESS? THIS IS ALL NEW BUSINESS THAT WE HAVE.

SO THE NEW BUSINESS IS BEING LED BY HEATHER AND AFTER YOU TAKE CARE OF YOUR PAPERWORK IN DO YOU STILL HAVE A QUORUM OR DO WE NEED ARE WE STILL GOOD? OKAY SO WE'RE FINE WITH THE REFUSAL CORRECT? SO WE STILL HAVE A QUORUM? SURE.

THANK YOU. OKAY. THANK YOU.

I'M FOR THOSE THAT DON'T KNOW ME. I'M HEATHER COLE AND I'M ONE OF THE ASSISTANT TOWN MANAGERS OVER PLANNING AND PROJECTS AND AS SUCH ONE OF MY DUTIES AS THE UDP ADMINISTRATOR SO AND THAT'S WHAT APPEALS ULTIMATELY ARE UNDER THE PURVIEW THE ADMINISTRATOR MYSELF SO WHY ITEM IS BEFORE YOU TODAY SO IT IS AS PART OF THE COFA THAT WAS APPROVED FOR THIS STRUCTURE SEVERAL AGO THERE WAS VARIOUS THINGS APPROVED THE ONE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TONIGHT IS SIMPLY THE WINDOWS THE WOULD WINDOWS TO BE REPAIRED AND USE TO THE GREATEST EXTENT POSSIBLE HOWEVER THAT BE DONE WHICH WAS FINE AND IN COMPLIANCE WITH THAT COFA AND PART OF THE BUILDING PERMIT APPROVAL MARVIN A SPECIFIC MARVIN TYPE WINDOW WAS SPECIFIED AS THAT REPLACEMENT MATERIAL SO AND STAFF IS FAMILIAR WITH THAT MARVIN STYLE WINDOW THAT HAS BEEN A CONSISTENT MATERIAL OR EXCUSE ME A CONSISTENT WINDOW SPECIFICATION THAT HAS BEEN USED FOR REPLACEMENT WINDOWS OF CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AS WELL AS OTHER STRUCTURES IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT. SO THAT IS A WINDOW THAT WE ARE FAMILIAR WITH WHICH IS WHY THAT WAS APPROVED. FAST FORWARD TO AN INSPECTION ON SITE IT WAS DISCOVERED THAT IT WASN'T THE MARVEL MARVIN WINDOW.

IT WAS A PALO WINDOW PALACE SPECIFIED WINDOW THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT WE HAD NOT REVIEWED APPROVED AS PART OF THE PROCESS AND AS THE ADMINISTRATOR I WAS NOT WE WERE NOT COMFORTABLE MAKING THAT. SO ULTIMATELY WE HAD TO FAIL THAT INSPECTION WHICH IS WHY IT IS APPEAL SO WHY THINGS ARE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT WHICH IS IT'S AN APPEAL BECAUSE IT'S NOT THAT MARVIN FELT THAT IT WAS A BIG ENOUGH DEVIATION THAT IT WAS SOMETHING THAT WANTED TO BRING BACK THIS COMMISSION FOR YOUR APPROVAL AND CONSIDERATION AGAIN IS NOT A WINDOW THAT WE ARE A WINDOWS LEFT SIDE THAT WE'RE FAMILIAR WITH OR HAVE APPROVED IN THE PAST.

SO AS YOU KNOW ANY MATERIAL TYPICALLY COMES TO YOU ALL TYPICALLY COMES TO YOU ALL BEFORE IT IS INSTALLED. SO AGAIN DIDN'T QUITE FOLLOW THE PROCESS THAT HAS BEEN ACKNOWLEDGED THE APPELLANT WHICH IS FINE BUT AGAIN THAT'S YOU TONIGHT SO REALLY WHAT YOUR DECISION IS WHETHER OR NOT HARLOW WINDOW THE SPECIFIED POWER WINDOW AND THERE ARE DIFFERENT TYPES OF PELLA WINDOWS SO YES THERE ARE SOME THINGS IN THE STAFF REPORT WHERE SOME WINDOWS MAY NOT BE APPROPRIATE. OTHER SPECIFICATIONS OF PELLA MAY BE APPROPRIATE BUT THAT IS ULTIMATELY THE PURVIEW OF THIS COMMISSION SO REALLY IT'S IT'S I DON'T WANT TO SAY AS SIMPLE AS THAT THIS IS A BIG CHARACTERISTIC ON A BUILDING BUT THAT'S REALLY THE DECISION BEFORE YOU I DON'T HAVE A FORMAL PRESENTATION THERE'S THE WINDOWS SPECIFICATIONS IN YOUR PACKET I CAN PULL UP. I DO ALSO SEE THAT MR. MARKS HAS ACTUAL WINDOWS HERE, WINDOW SAMPLES HERE AND IF YOU DID DRIVE BY OR GO TO THE SITE

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THOSE THE PELLA WINDOWS THAT HE WOULD LIKE TO KEEP ARE THOSE THAT ARE INSTALLED ON THE BUILDING AND I AM I'M LOOKING FOR SOME GUIDANCE HERE ON THE APPLICANT OR THE I'M SORRY WHAT IS THE PROPER TERMINOLOGY FOR THE THE REFERRING TO HIM AS THE APPLICANT IS IS PROPER OKAY IT'S AN APPELLANT AND IS HE TO ALSO TALK. YES AND I GUESS CAN I ASK SOME QUESTIONS HERE MA'AM? THANK YOU AGAIN JUST FOR AS WE DO MOST LISTENING YEAH I GUESS MAYBE WE NEED TO THIS IS A SEMI JUDICIAL THIS SITUATION COMPLETELY DIFFERENT FROM OTHER SITUATIONS THAT WE'VE BEEN IN JUST SO PERHAPS YOU COULD EXPLAIN THAT MAYBE A LITTLE BIT THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL YES, SIR. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. FOR THE RECORD, MY NAME IS RICHARDSON LA BRUCE. I'M WITH FINGER MELNICK, BROOKSVILLE BRUCE ON HILTON HEAD AND WE WE REPRESENT WE ARE HERE TONIGHT TO REPRESENT THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION THE REASON THAT YOU HAVE INDEPENDENT COUNSEL HERE AT MOST OF YOUR MEETINGS BUT IN PARTICULAR THIS MEETING IS BECAUSE YOU WILL BE OPERATING IN A WHAT'S KNOWN AS A QUASI JUDICIAL CAPACITY. YOU'RE HERE ON AN APPEAL OF STAFF A STAFF DETERMINATION STAFF DETERMINATION THAT THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS HD THAT WAS CONDITIONALLY APPROVED BY HPC IN THE EARLY PARTS OF 2023 IF I RECALL CORRECTLY THERE WAS A VIOLATION DUE TO THE WINDOWS AND STAFF AND THE APPELLANT WILL PRESENT THEIR POSITIONS ON THAT.

OUR ROLE HERE IS TO PROVIDE LEGAL GUIDANCE TO YOU SHOULD ANY QUESTIONS ARISE.

YOUR ROLE IS TO MAKE A DETERMINATION TO WHETHER THERE WAS AN ERROR IN THE DETERMINATION IN THE STAFF DETERMINATION THAT THERE WAS A VIOLATION OF THE COFA H.D. OR THE VIOLATION OF THE DUTY. SO THAT'S REALLY YOUR ROLE. YOUR ROLE IS TO ANALYZE THE AND SET ALMOST AS THE AS THE JUDGES ARE GOING TO BE THE FOUNDERS OF FACT AND YOU ARE GOING TO MAKE THE OF LAW AS THEY ARE PRESENTED TO YOU WILL ULTIMATELY PUT THAT ALL TOGETHER AND A FINAL DOCUMENT THAT WILL BE SUBMITTED AND ORDER BUT HERE TONIGHT IT IS YOUR OBLIGATION TO MAKE A DECISION BASED ON THE INFORMATION PRESENTED BY THE STAFF AND THE APPLICANT THE PROCESS WILL TYPICALLY BE A PRESENTATION BY THE APPELLANT WHICH WOULD BE MR. MARKS STAFF WOULD DO THEIR PRESENTATION AND THEN A REBUTTAL BY STAFF WHAT WHAT STAFF HAS DONE IS PROVIDED A HAS GONE AHEAD AND THEY PRESENTED THEIR CASE SO YOU NOW HAVE A OPPORTUNITY FOR THE APPELLANT PRESENT HIS SIDE AND THEN THAT WILL BE FOLLOWED BY STAFF THEN THE APPELLANT SO IN OTHER WORDS YOU STATED YOUR FIRST FACTS NOW THE APPELLANT HAS THE OPPORTUNITY BUT THEN YOU HAVE A CHANCE TO STATE OTHER FACTS BUT THEN THE APPELLANT ALSO HAS AN OPPORTUNITY ONCE AGAIN TO TALK AND YOU KNOW SO WE'RE IN A SENSE WE'RE LIKE YOU KNOW, JUDGE JUDY OR WHATEVER COMES OUT PERFECTLY, PERFECTLY PUTS THE LETTERS, THE THE REASON I BROUGHT UP THAT TYPICALLY THE APPELLANT WILL GO FIRST IS BECAUSE THE BURDEN OF PROOF TONIGHT IS ON THE APPELLANT SO THE APPELLANT HAS HAS THE BURDEN OF PROOF TO CARRY THAT IT MORE LIKELY THAN NOT THAT HE IS HE IS CORRECT IN HIS POSITION AND THAT'S THE REASON THAT THE APPELLANT WILL USUALLY GO FIRST.

THE REASON THE STAFF HAS GONE FIRST IN THIS CONTEXT IS BECAUSE RULES OF PROCEDURE STATE THAT STAFF SHOULD GO FIRST. SO THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF CONFUSION BECAUSE DOES NOT USUALLY HEAR ADMINISTRATIVE APPEALS THAT USUALLY IN THE THAT'S USUALLY WITHIN THE REALM OF THE BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS BUT BECAUSE THIS IS SPECIFICALLY ABOUT HISTORIC DISTRICT DESIGN STANDARDS SOUTH CAROLINA LAW AND OUR YOUDO BEST THE HBC WITH THE POWER TO HEAR THIS PARTICULAR APPEAL AND THIS IF I RECALL CORRECTLY THIS MAY BE THE FIRST APPEAL I THINK YOU ALL HAVE HEARD AND ALONG THE OTHERS YEARS SO IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS I'M HERE FOR YOU. IF NOT I WILL SIT QUIETLY AND TAKE NOTES.

THANK YOU. SO I TAKE IT IF YOU COULD STEP FORWARD AND INTRODUCE YOURSELVES SO I WASN'T GOING TO DEPEND ON TECHNOLOGY. THIS IS TOO IMPORTANT TO HAVE THE TECHNOLOGY WHILE YOU TALK CAN I PULL THIS UP BECAUSE WELL ONCE YOU SHUT THAT WHERE OH WE'RE DONE. YEAH. WOULD MY WIFE AND I WHAT WE YOU KNOW WHAT WE'LL DEAL WITH THIS I DON'T KNOW BUT IT'S WE'RE JUST FOR THE FOLKS THAT MAY NOT KNOW AND YOU KNOW IT'S BEING RECORDED SO I'M EUGENE MARKS I WORK FOR THE UNION PROPERTY AND

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NON HE CAN'T BE WITH US TODAY SHE'S UP IN CLEVELAND WITH THE GRANDKIDS AND DOG ACTUALLY DOWN YESTERDAY WE HAD OTHER LONG TERM PLANS AND SHE COULDN'T MAKE IT I WISH SHE COULD BECAUSE SHE'S AN EXPERT IN THIS BUT ME LET ME JUST START AM I TALKING I FEEL LIKE I'M LIKE PUSHED OFF THIS. NO, SORRY. BUT WOULD IT BE BEST IF WE WAITED? I'M SORRY. I JUST I DON'T WANT I DON'T WANT THIS TO BE, YOU KNOW, CAUSING A SITUATION. SO IT WOULD BE BEST IF WE JUST WAITED UNTIL THIS HAS COME BACK UP AND THEN THAT WAY I'LL HAVE MORE OF A RELAXED MOMENT THERE THIS THAT'D BE GREAT BY THE WAY. I GOT TO SAY, MAN, YOU JUST LOOK DAPPER. COULD BE I WANTED TO COME UP TO THIS SPOT ON.

I LOVE IT. THANK YOU, SIR. YEAH, I WAS WORRIED ABOUT MY DAY. THEY IMPOSED A BIT OF TECHNOLOGY.

OKAY, SO LET ME LET ME MR. MY I ONE THING JUST FOR THE RECORD IF WE CAN MAKE SURE THAT ANYBODY WHO IS PRESENTING OR SPEAKING SPEAKS DIRECTLY TO THE MICROPHONE JUST IN THERE IS A NEED TO APPEAL THIS ABOUT ONE SIDE OR THE OTHER WHAT BE REQUIRED TO DO IS PROVIDE A RECORD OF THAT APPEAL AND THAT USUALLY WILL COME IN A WRITTEN FORM.

SO HERE WE GO AGAIN. SO WE'RE BEING COMPLETELY RECORDED AND MAKING SURE THAT IT'S RECORDED PROPERLY. I'M EUGENE MARKS, MY WIFE AND I MELANIE PURCHASED THE DURING A PROPERTY BEGINNING OF LAST YEAR IT'S ALL IT'S HELD IN AN LLC LIKE MANY THINGS BUT IT'S OUR OUR ASSET OUR PASSION. WE MET LAST YEAR IN JULY TO GO THROUGH THIS.

THIS IS THE FIRST TIME SOMEONE TOLD ME I HAD ONLY A LOW VOICE .

I THINK WHAT'S IMPORTANT YOU KNOW THIS IS ABOUT WINDOWS SO CAN I JUST GET THAT DONE AND TALK THE WINDOWS BECAUSE IT'S WINDOWS BUT IT'S IT A LITTLE MORE THAN THAT.

SO LET ME START WITH THE WINDOWS SHOW YOU THE WINDOWS AND THEN I'D LIKE TO EXPLAIN HOW I GOT HERE. WE GOT HERE BECAUSE CONTEXT IS IMPORTANT.

I THINK THERE'S MAYBE SOME MISCONCEPTIONS AROUND, MOTIVES AND SO FORTH.

SO IF YOU'RE OKAY I'LL MOVE OVER THERE AND SHOW YOU THE WINDOWS BASELINE THAT I'LL ADD SOME CONTEXT AND THEN I THINK I CAN TAKE BREAKS IN THIS. I KNOW THERE'S PROCESS I'M THE KIND OF PERSON MILLIONAIRE OR THE KIND OF PERSON THAT WE WANT TO COMMUNICATE.

I HATE TO GO THROUGH 15 MINUTES OF TALK WHEN YOU'VE GOT TEN QUESTIONS AND I DON'T MIND QUESTIONS BECAUSE THIS IS ABOUT COMMUNICATING. SO IF IT I'LL LEAVE IT UP TO YOU. RICHARDSON BUT I'D RATHER IF YOU HAVE A QUESTION JUST SAY BUT I'LL LEAVE THAT UP TO YOU. WE DON'T HAVE ANY TIME LIMITS HERE SO.

WE'RE WE'RE GOOD HERE. OKAY. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.

Y'ALL, THIS IS YOUR THIS IS YOUR COURTHOUSE TONIGHT, OKAY, Y'ALL Y'ALL HAVE THE BLACK ROBES ON. Y'ALL MAKE THE DECISIONS PRETTY GOOD.

THANK YOU. SO WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO IS YOU THE WINDOWS.

I'LL GIVE YOU A STORY AROUND WHAT WE'VE DONE AND SO FORTH AND THEN I'LL PIVOT BECAUSE IF YOU COULD BRING THE WINDOW TO THE SPEAKER SO I MEAN THE MICROPHONE SO THAT YOU HAVE A CHANCE TO I MEAN, YOU KNOW THAT ,LIKE I HAVE THE FALL, I HAVE THE FULL COLOR.

SO I THINK IT'S FOR MORE THAN ONE SECTION. SO THIS MICROPHONE AND I'M SORRY I'M SO WELL LET ME START WITH THE MARVIN THE MARVIN WAS PICKED MARVIN A FINE WINDOW I MEAN IT'S IN MY PERSONAL HOUSE SO I JUST PUT IT IN MARVIN IS A FINE WINDOW IT'S A FINE MANUFACTURER. THE DISTRIBUTOR HERE IS WONDERFUL.

THIS IS A FIBERGLASS AND IT IS USED A LOT. IT IS A FIBERGLASS.

IT'S A FIBERGLASS THAT THEY PUT FAUX FAUX DECORATIVE WOOD ON THE INSIDE.

BUT AS YOU CAN SEE THIS IS ALL FIBERGLASS SIMULATED DIVIDED LIGHTS LIKE THE OTHERS.

IT'S A IT'S A FIBERGLASS WINDOW MADE TO LOOK LIKE WOOD. THIS IS WHAT THE SPECKED AND I'LL GET TO WHY I WENT TO IS WHEN I WENT TO SECOND THIS WINDOW WHICH I WAS ABLE TO SOURCE IS A WOOD WINDOW IT STARTS ITS LIFE AS A WOOD WINDOW AND IN ACTUALITY IT IS MADE ALMOST IDENTICAL TO THE ORIGINAL JOINER WINDOWS IT'S IS INTENDED REAL WOOD TOTAL WOOD FOOT PUT ON ALUMINUM BECAUSE AS AND AS IS IN PROVISION PRESERVATION YOU'RE ALLOWED TO DO AS YOU MENTIONED THE WORD ALUMINUM I READ IN THE INFORMATION THAT IT WAS NOT IS

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IN FACT WHAT YOU HAVE ON SITE ALUMINUM FOR VINYL FOR VINYL I'M GLAD YOU BROUGHT THAT UP BECAUSE STARTING AT APRIL 18TH I JUST THIS IS REALLY JUST ABOUT THE WINDOWS BUT I'M SORRY STARTING APRIL 18TH THESE WINDOWS WERE CHARACTERIZED BY STAFF AS VINYL WITH SNAP AND DIVIDERS. THIS IS THE WINDOW STICKERS ON BECAUSE I HAVE LET ME SEE THE INSIDE OF THAT AGAIN SO THAT'S WOOD ON INSIDE THE DIVIDERS YEAH A WOOD WINDOW THESE ARE SIMULATED DIVIDED LINES IT DOES IT COME OUT IN A PIECE THEY DON'T COME OUT PERMANENTLY FIRST THERE'S SNAP IN AND THEN THERE'S WHAT'S CALLED SIMULATED DIVIDED LIGHTS WHICH IS IN THE YOUDO THESE ARE SIMULATED DIVIDED LIKE FIXED PERMANENTLY SPACED THERE'S NOTHING THERE'S NOT ONE PIECE OF VINYL ON THIS WINDOW AND I, I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU CAN THINK THERE'S ANY DISCIPLINE BECAUSE THEY'RE STICKERS ON THAT'S WHAT'S INSTALLED.

YEAH OKAY I'M JUST I'M JUST I'M SO I'M GOING TO ASK QUESTIONS. YES, THEY'RE THERE THEY WERE WOODEN WINDOWS WITH PILLOWS STICKERS WITH INDUSTRY STANDARDS THAT RICHARD SPRUCE LOOKS AT. IT'S GOT TO BE THERE. I CAN'T EVEN GET A HOUSE APPROVED. IT SAYS. THIS IS A PILLOW LIFESTYLE WINDOW. THESE ARE THE SPECIFICATIONS AND SO IT SAYS THAT IT'S A VINYL WINDOW WAS SNAPPED IN BUTTONS THAT USED IN TRACK HOUSES AND BECAUSE I I DON'T KNOW HOW I DID I DID MY HOMEWORK AND I LOOKED UP ONLINE YOU KNOW, LIFESTYLE SERIES ALUMINUM CLAD WINDOWS AND IT DOES SAY RIGHT THERE IN THE SPECIFICATION THAT IT'S ALUMINUM NOT PLASTIC OR FIBERGLASS OF WINDOW OR OAK AND IT'S NOT ROCKET FUEL THIS VERSUS THIS. I MEAN IT'S JUST I MEAN THIS IS THE WINDOW I SAW A HOUSE WINDOW WILL SAY THIS HOUSE HAS A WINDOW. I MEAN IT'S A WINDOW I'M NOT GOING TO SEE IT ANYMORE WOOD WINDOW. SO THIS IS THE WINDOW THAT'S IN THERE IS ALWAYS IN THERE. SO ALUMINUM POSSIBLY WILL LAST LONGER.

I DON'T KNOW TO SPECIFICATION I'M I'M KIND OF A GEEKY KIND OF GUY AND JUST PEOPLE KNOW WELL JUST PLAIN WOOD AND THEN ALSO POSSIBLE YOU KNOW WE OIL YEAH SO BUT IT'S ONCE THE WOOD ONCE YOU LOAD THEM GOES IS THIS HAS ONCE THE WOOD GOES THIS HAS IF THE ALUMINUM TO GO THIS HAS SIGNIFICANTLY INFUSED CHEMICALS SO THAT THIS WOOD BECAUSE IT'S NEW GROWTH PINE NOT OLD GROWTH PINE SO IT HAS IF YOU DON'T REALLY PENETRATE THE CHEMICALS IT WILL DETERIORATE SO THIS INCREDIBLY WEIRD THE WORD VINYL COME IN IF IT'S ALUMINUM WHERE THE WORD I DON'T KNOW I I I SAW IT REPEATED BY THE TOWN AND A NUMBER OF THE COMMENTS SO I GUESS MAYBE THAT WOULD BE A QUESTION WE ASKED THE TOWN STAFF THEY'RE NOT ONLY IS IT POSSIBLE HOW DO WE CAN WE ASK THE TOWN STAFF ALLOW AND ALLOW THE APPELLANT TO PRESENT HIS CASE? SO THIS WOULD BE A QUESTION THAT WE WANT TO ASK THE TOWN AND SO I WOULD KEEP YOU KEEP A LIST OF QUESTIONS YOU MAY WANT TO ASK THE GIRL ELLEN HER STAFF.

OKAY, GREAT. THANK YOU SIR. ARE ALL THE WINDOWS THE PELLA WINDOWS. YEAH YEAH WE WE PUT ALL WE PUT ALL THE SAME PELLA OAK EXACT SPEC YOU DIDN'T EVEN YOU KNOW LET ME TAKE YOUR HOW HAPPENED SO THEN WE CAN UNDERSTAND BECAUSE YOU MIGHT HAVE THE IMPRESSION ME I MEAN I FEEL SO SORRY THERE'S SO MUCH MORE STUFF TO DO HERE BUT IT'S MY DAY IN COURT. I DIDN'T THINK OF IT AS COURT.

DON'T I WISH YOU DIDN'T THAT IN A SENSE IT IS SO I DON'T LIKE THAT FEELING BECAUSE AS I PUT ON MY NOTE I DON'T BELIEVE WE HAVE TO BE HERE BECAUSE I BELIEVE THAT THIS COULD HAVE BEEN APPROVED. I HAVE THE HIGHEST RESPECT FOR HEATHER.

I REALLY DO. HEATHER HAS ALWAYS BEEN AVAILABLE RESPONSIVE REASONABLE PEOPLE CAN DISAGREE. WE DISAGREE FELT WE FELT MELANIE TOO THAT HEATHER HAD THE ABILITY TO APPROVE THIS ESPECIALLY SOMETHING AS DIFFERENT AND IS WHAT THE WHOLE CRUX IS THE CONFIDENCE SET A SPECIFIC MANUFACTURER I MEAN WHAT WAS PASSED IN THE MOTION

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AND NECESSARILY BUT I JUST I GUESS THAT'S ANOTHER QUESTION I NEED TO ASK SO I GUESS WE'LL ASK BECAUSE I GUESS THE WHOLE POSSIBILITY OF THIS IS THERE WAS A SPECIFIC MANUFACTURER MENTIONED IN THAT MANUFACTURER IN THE MOTION WASN'T FOLLOWED SO THAT'S WHERE THE WHOLE PROCESS HAS BECOME. THAT'S MY ANALYSIS OF WHAT'S HAPPENING HERE.

YES, IN MY INTERPRETATION MELANIE'S INTERPRETATION IS THAT ARE YOU THE ADMINISTRATOR HAS AUTHORITY AND SOMETHING CLEAR CUT AS A COMPOSITE FIBERGLASS PRODUCT BEING REPLACED WITH A WOOD PRODUCT THAT IS THE EXACT SAME STACK. JUST CURIOUS PRICEWISE WAS THIS MOTIVATION ONLY DONE BECAUSE OF COST IT'S FUNNY BECAUSE WE'RE NEVER ALLOWED TO TALK ABOUT COST BECAUSE NONE THOSE SHOULD BE COST. OKAY THAT'S FINE BUT I'M HAPPY TO WELL NO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT IS THAT WELL NO IT'S JUST IT SHOULDN'T BE BUT THESE WINDOWS IS WHERE SHE SMELLED YOUR IN THESE WINDOWS 2000 AND AGO. IT WASN'T COST MOTIVATION, IT WASN'T POLICY, IT WASN'T QUALITY. LET ME TELL YOU WHY YOU KNOW WHERE WE ARE. I'M GOING TO DEVIATE BECAUSE I WANT TO BE RESPECTFUL OF OTHERS. PEOPLE ON THIS AGENDA HAVE WAITED A VERY LONG TIME BECAUSE THIS REALLY IS TO ME TO ME IT'S AN EASY DECISION. BUT LET ME START THIS IS HOW THIS WHOLE THING STARTED. YOU GAVE US YOU GAVE US THE PERMITTING SAVE THE ROOF AS MUCH AS WE COULD SAVE DECIDING SAVE THE TRIM. I COULD JUST MAKE A SECOND.

WE HAVE ANOTHER MEMBER OF OUR COMMITTEE JOINING US AND I JUST WANT TO KNOW IF WE NEED TO MAKE IN KNOWLEDGE THAT I DON'T THINK WE ACKNOWLEDGE THAT I'M SORRY BUT I JUST I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE COMPLETELY IT WOULD BE ACKNOWLEDGED IN THE RECORD THAT COMMISSIONER FRAZIER HAS GOT HERE AT 623 OKAY THANK YOU. BUT I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE APPELLANT AND STAFF ARE OKAY WITH PARTICIPATING IN THIS DECISION GIVEN THAT THE PRESENTATION BOTH PARTIES PRESENTATIONS HAD ALREADY STARTED. IS IT ALL RIGHT WITH YOU AND IS THAT ALL RIGHT WITH YOU? OH, I'M HAPPY. OKAY.

THANK YOU FOR. YEAH. SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE NOW YOU'RE OFFICIALLY AND THANK YOU. OKAY, SO I'M GOING TO BE IN TRAFFIC BY THE WAY. SO YEAH, THAT'S STARTING TO BE AN ISSUE HERE FOR SURE.

I'M GOING TO JUMP AROUND A LITTLE BIT BUT SO LET ME START THE PERMIT WE HAVE YOU REQUEST WE READ WAS TO SAVE AS MUCH ROOF AS TO SAVE AS MUCH SAVING AS POSSIBLE TO SAVE AS MUCH BRICK AS POSSIBLE TO THE METAL POSTS OVER THE PORTICO TO SAVE THE HEADER OF THE PORTICO.

AND WE WERE HAPPY TO DO THAT BECAUSE BEATRICE THAT WAS ONE OF HER FAVORITE ASPECTS OF THE OF THE COTTAGE. WE SAVED IT TOOK THAT DOWN SO IT WASN'T TO BE WORKED ON OFFSITE. I LOADED THE WINDOWS IN MY TRUCK, TOOK THEM TO BE REFURBISHED OUT DOOR, STAYED ON SITE. I THEN HAD JOEY WOODWARD THOSE YOU KNOW, GREAT KID COME OVER WITH HIS AS AGREED YOU JUST HAD ZERO IN ZERO INTEGRITY IN THIS STRUCTURE AND HAVE SOME PICTURES HERE I'M HAPPY TO SHOW YOU HE CAME PUT IT DOWN PUT IT OFF TO THE TO THE RECYCLING DUMP. THE OLD HOUSE IS GONE GONE.

IT WASN'T MOVED. IT WASN'T REBUILT. IT'S GONE UNDER A NEW PERMIT.

THAT'S WHAT WE KNEW WAS HAPPENING. THERE WAS A CONVERSATION RIGHT HERE I THINK IT WAS JOSH AND I THINK IT WAS MAYOR, IS THIS NEW IS THIS IS IT'S NOT WORDS IT MATTER. IT'S GONE. YOU KNOW, INTERESTINGLY BECAUSE AGAIN, I I PUT A LOT OF TIME INTO THIS BUT I NOTICED THAT THERE WAS ACTUALLY SOMEONE FROM THE TOWN JUST TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT AS RICHARD SPRUCE MENTIONED IN AN EMAIL TO YOU THAT WAS ATTACHED TO OUR PACKET AND I UNDERSTAND WINDOWS FOUNDATION AND WE OF THIS IS NEW CONSTRUCTION MADE TO LOOK HISTORIC AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE THE BUILDING PERMANENT SO WHAT THAT WAS IT WAS NEW CONSTRUCTION SO THAT WAS STATED JANUARY 30TH YES AND RICHARD'S OF RICHARD I DON'T AGREE WITH RICHARD ALL THE TIME BUT BOY IS HE DIRECT IS HE USUALLY RIGHT?

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IS HE CLEAR AND HE SAID IT IT'S NEW CONSTRUCTION BUT WE KNEW THAT WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT IT WE KNEW THAT. SO ANYWAY SO WE TOOK WE TOOK THE OLD HOUSE AND I'LL SEND YOU SOME PICTURES OF THAT THEN IN ACCORDANCE TO THE AGREEMENT WE STARTED A NEW CONSTRUCTION NOT ON THE SITE. THE SITE IS WHERE THE HOUSE WAS THE LOT WE MOVED TO A NEW SITE, NEW FOUNDATION WITH PIERS, NEW FLOORING NEW STUDS, NEW TRUSSES ,NEW AND NEW HURRICANE TOUCHDOWNS AND NEW INSULATION, NEW DRYWALL ELECTRIC NEW PLUMBING YADA YADA YADA.

THE ONLY THING THAT'S THAT'S STILL THERE FROM THE OLD HOUSE IS TWO THIRDS OF THE ROOF TWO THIRDS OF THE SIDING METAL POST HEADER AND SOME BRICKS IN DESIGN.

WELL, BELIEVE YOU KNOW SOMETHING AND I DON'T USUALLY BRAG OR ANYTHING BUT THAT HOUSE LOOKS LIKE IT DID 40 YEARS AGO EVEN I RECOMMEND THIS LOOK AT THAT LOOK AT THAT VENT ABOVE THE FRONT THE GABLE VENT. THE ORIGINAL HOUSE WAS OFF BY THREE INCHES IT'S OFF THREE INCHES ON THE REPLICA. SO YES, WE PUT EVERYTHING INTO THIS AND WE DIDN'T DO THIS TO SAVE MONEY. WE DIDN'T DO THIS TO SAVE. SO BUT I GOT TO TELL YOU WHY I DID IT BECAUSE THAT'S THE MILLION DOLLAR THING IS WELL WHAT'S GOING ON HERE? SO LET ME GET INTO THIS. SO THE NEW HOUSE IS BUILT ALL TO CODE .

NOW REMEMBER WE WERE GOING TO USE THE OLD WINDOWS ALL OF A SUDDEN I GET A CALL EUGENE HIS WINDOWS HAVE MORE LEAD PAINT IN THEM THAN WE'VE EVER SEEN IN A WINDOW AND I SAY HOLY COW, I LOADED THESE WINDOWS IN MY TRUCK I HAD WHITE I THOUGHT IT WAS WHITE WHEN I WAS A KID MY DAD USED TO USE HIS WHITE WHITE PAINT WHITE IT WAS LIKE IT WAS LIKE A WHITEWASH AND.

I'M BLOWN IT IN THE TRUCK AND I'M NOT THINKING THE NAME OF IT AND THE GUY SAYS WE HAVE NEVER SEEN SO MUCH WHITEWASH LEAD PAINT AND I SEE THERE'S PICTURES IN THERE.

I ONLY I ONLY SAW ONE. I'M LIKE HOLY COW. BUT I SAID HOLY COW BECAUSE I WAS WONDERING ABOUT ME GETTING A BUT THE BIGGER COW WAS I DON'T HAVE ANY WINDOWS ORDERED . THIS TRAIN IS GOING DOWN THE STATION.

I GOT A NEW HOUSE OVER HERE AND I DON'T HAVE ANY WINDOWS ORDERED SO I CALL MARVIN AND UNCLE MARVIN ELEMENT AND BY THE WAY I ASKED ELEMENT TO COME HERE.

I ASKED THE POOR SCOT NOT TO COME HERE THIS ME THESE I DID THIS I'M NOT HAVING ANYONE RUN COVER FOR ME THESE WERE MY DECISIONS AND LIVE AND DIE BY MY DECISIONS AND YOU CAN LOOK ME IN THE EYE AND SEE THAT THIS GUY STRAIGHT OR IS YOU PLAYING GAMES I DON'T HAVE THERE'S NO ONE HERE WITH ME SO I DON'T HAVE ANY WINDOWS. AUDIENCE CAPPELLA EXCUSE ME, MA'AM AND EUGENE WE LOVE YOU. WE'VE WORKED YOU BEFORE. BUT YOU KNOW SOMETHING? WE GOT SUPPLY CHAIN ISSUES. WE DON'T EVEN KNOW WHEN WE'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO GET YOU THESE WINDOWS. I SAID REALLY? CAN YOU PLEASE TELL ME? SORRY. I'M LIKE, I'VE GOT ALL THIS STUFF COMING TOGETHER.

I'M TRYING TO SOURCE NEW ROOFING BECAUSE I NEEDED A THIRD OF THE ROOFING TO BE NEW.

I NEEDED TO HAVE THE RIGHT PATINA. I'M TRYING TO GET THE RIGHT ROOFING DECIDING THAT CYPRESS SIDING I GOT TO SOURCE CYPRESS .

I MEAN I WANT THE REAL THING. I'M NOT HERE TRYING TO PUT BUBBLEGUM ON THIS THING.

I GOT TO FIND CYPRESS SIDING. I'M LOOKING FOR CYPRESS SIDE FRONT SCREEN DOOR THE FRONT SCREEN DOOR WAS SHUT. I WANTED SOMETHING THAT WAS OLD HISTORIC.

I COULDN'T FIND ANYTHING LIKE IT. FINALLY AFTER TWO MONTHS MEL AND I GO DOWN TO SAVANNAH WE FIND AN OLD DOOR WE PUT AN OLD DOOR IN THERE.

I COULD HAVE GONE TO HOME DEPOT. TURN UP THE DOOR.

NO. I SPENT FOUR TIMES MORE MONEY TO PUT A RECLAIMED DOOR IN THERE BECAUSE WHEN YOU DRIVE BY THAT AND YOU LOOK AT THAT FRONT DOOR, YOU KNOW THAT'S NOT A HOME DEPOT. THAT COULD HAVE BEEN BESSIE IN BERTRAM'S BACK IN THE THIRTIES . SO WHAT DO I DO A CAPPELLA BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT IT'S BEEN SAID TO US HEY MARVIN PAELLA PAELLA HAS THESE LIFESTYLE WINDOWS AVAILABLE.

I BELIEVE WE MENTIONED IN OF OUR CONVERSATIONS THAT IT WOULD EITHER BE MARVIN OR PAELLA IN PRE APPLICATION GLEN MADE A STATEMENT THAT THAT THAT THEY WOULD THINK WAS HIS OPINION THAT I ANDERSON ARE NOT AS NOTED AS HISTORICALLY RELEVANT WHEN THOSE BUT MARVIN AND PAELLA ARE RESPECTED BRANDS AND THERE WAS ONE BRAND THAT WAS NOT I BELIEVE ANDERSON ANDERSON OKAY AND BY THE WAY THERE'S 50 OTHER WINDOWS OUT THERE I COULD HAVE PICKED SIERRA PACIFIC PLY JIM ANY OF THESE WHAT WAS PAELLA YOU KNOW WHAT WITH PAELLA WAS AVAILABLE IT'S THE RIGHT COLOR IT'S THE SIZE, IT'S SIMULATED DIVIDED WHITES IT'S HUNG AND YOU KNOW WHAT ELSE WINDOWS ARE IN FACT THE BETTER AND GOODNESS THEY ARE QUIET AND RIGHT THERE

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ON THAT ROAD WHEN I IN THERE TODAY IT'S A BETTER WINDOW QUIET AND FOREVER GOING TO BE A WOOD WINDOW REAL AND THE INTERIOR OF THIS BUILDING AND I'M LOOKING AT THAT WINDOW I'M YOU KNOW SHOW ME THE INSIDE WINDOW IT WOULD SO IT LOOKS PRETTY AUTHENTIC WHAT IT IS THE ONLY THING THAT'S NOT AUTHENTIC ABOUT THIS IS WE WRAP IT WITH LITTLE BIT OF ALUMINUM BECAUSE IN 20 YEARS WHEN SOME OF THEM HAVE TAKEN CARE THEIR HOUSE WE'LL STILL HAVE THE HOUSE WINDOWS AND LOOK GOOD. OKAY. WE WILL HAVE WINDOWS THERE.

EVERYTHING SO SO THERE I AM. THEY HAVE THEM AVAILABLE NOW THIS IS WHERE THIS IS WHERE THINGS I AM SOURCING ROOFING I'M SOURCING SIDING AND ALSO THE DOORS I GOT A CALL ON THE DOORS YOUR DOORS OF LEAD PAINT THEY'RE ROTTING THEY'RE FALLING APART.

OKAY, I GOT TO FIND RECLAIMED OLD DOORS. I HAVE TO FIND OLD DOORS FOR THAT HOUSE BECAUSE DOORS ARE IMPORTANT. WE SPENT TWO MONTHS LOOKING FOR DOORS AND I WAS SURE WE'D FIND THEM BECAUSE THOSE DOORS JUST LIKE GARAGE DOORS I USED TO HAVE IN A HOUSE AND MY DAD DIDN'T BUY EXPENSIVE DOORS SO THEY HAD TO BE AROUND SOMEPLACE COULDN'T FIND THEM. COULDN'T FIND THEM. YOU KNOW WHAT WE DID? WE PAID A LOCAL CRAFTSMAN $9,500 TO REPLICATE THOSE DOORS.

THE 9000 AND THERE WERE ONLY REASON TO BRING THEM NUMBERS UP .

IT'S BECAUSE I THINK THERE'S THIS VEILED FEELING CUTTING CORNERS, SAVING MONEY JUST LIKE THE OTHER GUY DOWN THE BLOCK WHO PUT IN THESE WINDOWS $9,500 TO DO DUPLICATE DOORS.

IF I WANTED TO SAVE MONEY I WOULD HAVE HAD SOME SONG AND DANCE AROUND THAT STUPID MONEY TO PAY. AND YOU KNOW WHAT WE DID WHEN THESE THINGS ARE DONE WE BEAT UP TO LOOK RECLINE AND LOOK THOSE DOORS AND YOU WOULDN'T KNOW.

I WAS HAPPY TO DO IT. I'M FINE BUT BUT YOU KNOW REPUTATIONS AND WHAT PEOPLE DO AND HOW THEY BEHAVE AND ACT OVER TIME IS AND A BOOT SOMEBODY FINISHES AND TO THINK THAT WE DO ALL THIS REALLY GOOD STUFF BUT IN THE DARKNESS WE'RE GOING TO PUT IN THESE VINYL WINDOWS I'M SORRY WE'RE INSULTED INSULTED BECAUSE WE DIDN'T CUT ONE CORNER IN THIS HOUSE THAT ONE THIS HOUSE IS NOT WORTH CLOSE NOW TO WHAT MONEY I HAVE AND THAT'S FINE BECAUSE. YOU KNOW SOMETHING? JESSE AND BERTRAM AND THE JOYNER FAMILY DESEAN BERTRAM, THE JOYNER FAMILY THEY REALLY APPRECIATE THIS.

THANK YOU. THEY REALLY APPRECIATE THIS. AND I HAVE SOME COMMENTS AND I'M GOING TO CLOSE I'M NOT GOING TO GO THROUGH WHAT YOU IN TERMS OF WINDOWS AND BACK AND FORTH. I THINK THE TOWN NEEDS A LESSON IN WHAT WINDOWS ARE IF THEY THINK THOSE ARE VINYL AND TO RUN US THROUGH SINCE APRIL 18TH AROUND ARM'S LENGTH.

YES NO. IF HEATHER WOULD HAVE COME ME IN HER LETTER AND SAID EUGENE BEGINNING AND ENDING I. I CAN'T APPROVE THIS BECAUSE IT'S NOT MY AUTHORITY.

I'D SAY I DISAGREE WITH YOU BUT I ACCEPT BUT WHAT WE HAVE IS FROM APRIL 18TH SNAP AND MARTIN'S TRADITIONAL MARTIN'S BUT THEY SAID TO THE THE BATHROOM WINDOWS WERE WOULD PUT DOWN ON THE 20TH THEY'RE NOT WOULD YOU ON THE 20TH THEY SAY THEY DON'T KNOW IF THE PILLOW WINDOWS WHAT MATERIAL IT IS YOU WENT THROUGH THAT I WAS ABLE TO I JUST SEEN AS I WAS ABLE TO PULL INFORMATION UP YOU KNOW I DON'T I DON'T WANT TO THERE'S THINGS HERE THAT ARE THAT ARE ACTUALLY SERIOUS BUT IT'S IT'S PERIPHERAL TO THESE WINDOWS AND I'M INCLINED I DON'T I BECAUSE BECAUSE I RESPECT HEATHER AND MELANIE AND I ARE NOT ARGUMENTATIVE PEOPLE AND I HATE DOING WHAT I'M DOING HERE I HATE IT IT'S NOT PART OF WHO WE ARE BUT WE WERE RUN AROUND SINCE APRIL 18TH ON THESE WINDOWS SAYING THERE'S THINGS IN THE YOUDO IN A BOOK THAT WE HAD A BY WE HAD TO BUY THIS BOOK BECAUSE THEY REPRESENTED AT ARM'S LENGTH RULES IN THE YOUDO AND IT'S NOT IN THE YOUDO IT'S IN A BOOK WE HAD TO PAY $65 TO BUY THE BOOK AND IT'S REPRESENTED IN THERE THAT IT'S A NEW DEAL AND YOU FOLKS HAVE BEEN IN THE PAST BEEN SAID THAT

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THIS BOOK HAS BEEN REFERENCED. DO YOU HAVE THIS YOU KNOW THIS BOOK GOOD.

WE DIDN'T IN THE TOWN DOESN'T CITIZEN CITIZENRY DOESN'T I HAD TO PAY 65 PENALTY PAID $65 TO FIND THIS BOOK IN AN ARM'S RULE WE'RE HERE IN A COURT AMI IS IN WHAT YOU SAID.

RICHARDSON YES. AND THE TOWN REPRESENTED THAT THIS BOOK WHAT IS IN THIS BOOK IS IN THE ORDINANCE AND HOLDING ME AND MELANIE TO SOMETHING THAT IS NOT IN THE LAW.

I WOULD I WOULD URGE A JOINT STATEMENT TO COMMENTS TO DO THAT.

HPC YES. RUTH YES. MY OPINION IS WHEN THEY SAY ARM'S LENGTH RULE WHEN THEY SAY LENGTH RULE NOTED IN THE YOUDO IN REFERENCE A BOOK AND MAKE ME BUY THE BOOK AND THEY DON'T EVEN HAVE THE RIGHT TITLE OF THE BOOK USED THE RIGHT TITLE THE BOOK SAYS TRADITIONAL CONSTRUCTION PATTERNS DESIGN AND DETAIL RULES OF THUMB WHAT IS RULE OF THUMB MEAN TO YOU THAT LOOKS ABOUT RIGHT MUST MEAN SPECIFICS.

IT DOESN'T MEAN SPECIFICS. AND THEN IN THIS BOOK IN THE NEXT PARAGRAPH IT SAYS AN ARM'S LENGTH RULE IS THEREFORE PRACTICAL, NOT QUITE SCIENTIFIC .

SO BASICALLY IT'S AN OPINION WELL WELL I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU CALL IT LEGALLY I MEAN IS IT IN THE YOUDO AND I, I DID WELL KIND OF BECAUSE I WAS CURIOUS ABOUT THAT WORDING TOO AND I TRIED TO DO ALL KIND OF WEB SEARCHING AND I COULDN'T COME WITH ANYTHING THAT SATISFIED YOU KNOW IT ALL KIND OF LED TO AN ARM'S LENGTH WAS AN OPINION NOT AN YOUDO IT WELL WELL IT IS IN HERE BUT IT WAS REPRESENTED AS BEING AN IDEA A TINY VIDEO AND THEN IN THE BOOK IN THE NEXT IT SAYS TOUCH IS VERY IMPORTANT BECAUSE FEW THINGS AS UNSATISFYING AS TOUCHING SOMETHING THAT SHOULD FEEL SOLID AND HEAVY SOLID AND HEAVY TOUCH SOMETHING IS SOMETIMES RIGHT ONLY TO FIND THAT IT'S HOLLOW AND PLASTIC. HOLLOW AND PLASTIC I DON'T KNOW WE JUST WANT TO GET OUT OF WINDOWS. SO THIS YOU'RE NOT ABLE TO GET YOUR S.O. I TAKE IT AND I GUESS THE CONCEPT THAT I NEED TO FIND IS BY WHAT THE TOWN IS SAYING BY YOU DOING SOMETHING THAT AND IF YOU COULD VERBALLY SAY WHAT YOU SAID IN WRITING IN REGARDS TO WHAT HAPPENED HERE IS I BELIEVE YOU MADE A MISTAKE WHEN YOU MADE AN ERROR WHAT WAS YOUR APOLOGY? AND I HEARD FROM JONI SHE MENTIONED SOMETHING SO I'M JUST LOOKING AT IT TO BE SPOKEN VERBALLY THE MICROPHONE IF THAT'S OKAY YOUR APOLOGY IT'S IN WRITING. YES, I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE WRITING BUT I'M LOOKING OH NO.

YEAH. YES I JUST TOLD YOU WHAT HAPPENED AND I APOLOGIZE.

I I MEAN I DIDN'T REALIZE IT WOULD BE THIS TORTUROUS BECAUSE I HAD I'M REALLY BEING HONEST.

I REALLY I MEAN IT WAS NO MOMENT WHERE I SAID I'M NOT GOING TO TELL THEM BECAUSE I'M HIDING ANYTHING I I LOOKED AT THIS WHEN I HAD THE DOORS AND EVERYTHING COMING.

I GOT WHAT I NEED. I GOT TO ORDER IT. I'M GOING TO ORDER AND GOING TO MOVE FORWARD. I WAS HASTY FROM THE LEGAL RESPONSIBILITY I HAD.

I WAS HASTY AND YOU KNOW WHAT? IT WASN'T THE FIRST TIME IN MY LIFE I WOULD SAY I MEAN IT'S I'M YEAH, I'M HASTY SOMETIMES BUT I WAS NOT MALICIOUS. I WAS NOT I WAS NOT PUTTING A WINDOW THAT IS NOT SUITABLE FOR THIS. I AM NOT HERE ASKING FOR YOU TO APPROVE A WINDOW JUST BECAUSE I PUT IN A CHEAP WINDOW. I THINK YOU'LL SEE THAT SO I HAVE TO READ THIS OR GOING ON HE'S NOT GOING TO LET ME COME BACK TO CLEVELAND AND IT'S ABOUT 4 MINUTES GONE AS YOU KNOW MELANIE ON ABOUT EIGHT SHE SEES SHE HAS IT AROUND THE COUNTRY AND I'M SORRY SHE SITS ON WHAT SHE'S BEEN ON HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMITTEE DISTRICTS WITH EVERY OTHER CALL DIFFERENT THINGS SHE HAS AND IS AND SO SHE'S REALLY A PROFESSIONAL. SHE DID THIS ALL RESEARCH PRO-BONO ON THE GARVIN GALLERY HOUSE WITH ERIN AND GOT A STATE AWARD FROM MCMASTER STATE HISTORIC PRESERVATION AWARD.

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SHE'S THE REAL DEAL. MR. CHAIRMAN, THE MEMBERS OF THE WE ARE HERE SEEKING APPROVAL FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR THE LIFESTYLE WINDOWS INSTALLED IN THE NEW JOINER HOUSE TO REITERATE WHAT EUGENE SAID, THIS WAS AN OVERSIGHT ON HIS PART FOR NOT BRINGING THIS CHANGE BACK TO THE STAFF FOR APPROVAL AND I WAS REPRIMANDED BY MY WIFE TOO. SO FOR THIS FOR THIS HE'S APOLOGIZED I APOLOGIZE.

I'M I DON'T WANT TO BE HERE. I DIDN'T THINK I'D BE HERE BUT I'M HERE WITH CLEAR CONSCIENCE THAT THE ACTIONS WERE CONSTRUCTIVE. FIRST I WANT TO STRESS WE DID NOT INSTALL PELLA VINYL WINDOWS. IT STATED IN THE STAFF'S DENIAL LETTER TO THE PC ON SIX TO ANYONE READING THE SIX TWO OFFICIAL PUBLIC NOTIFICATION WILL TAKE IT FOR ITS WORD THAT WE INSTALLED A CHEAP VINYL WINDOW.

THIS IS A PARTICULARLY INSULTING TO ME AS A PROFESSIONAL AS MY PROFESSIONAL GIVEN I WORK IN THE PRESERVATION FIELD AND HAVE COLLEAGUES WATCHING THIS TONIGHT I THINK WE HAVE TO CLEAR THAT UP IN THE PUBLIC SPHERE THAT WE DID NOT PUT VINYL WINDOWS IN THIS BASEMENT VIEW THE PELLA WOOD VERSUS THE ELEVATOR FIBERGLASS AND AFTER HAVING NUMEROUS DISCUSSIONS WITH A HOST OF PRESERVATION EXPERTS I AM SURE THE INSTALLED WINDOWS WILL NOT ONLY MEET BUT EXCEED THE RELEVANT STANDARDS AND ARE APPROPRIATE FOR.

THE NEW JOINER HOUSE POINT ONE AND I'M HAPPY TO GIVE COPIES OF THIS UNDER 518 SIX OF THE UDO IT STATES THAT YOU THE ADMINISTRATOR SHALL HAVE AUTHORITY TO SUBSTITUTE MATERIALS FOR THOSE LISTED UNDER ARCHITECTURAL STANDARDS THEY ARE.

AND TO CLARIFY WE DID NOT PICK UP THE ENTIRE STRUCTURE AS STATED IN THE SIX TWO NOTE AND RELOCATED TO THE OTHER SIDE OF THE LOT IN THE DENIAL MEMO POINT ONE SAID WE PICKED IT UP WE DIDN'T THAT HAS TO BE CLEARED IN THE RECORD IN THIS CONTEXT.

SPEAKING TO ANTONIO AGUILAR THE TECHNICAL PRESERVATION AND SERVICES REVIEWER FOR THE NATIONAL PARK SERVICE WHOSE DEPARTMENT DEVELOPS HISTORIC STANDARDS AND GUIDANCE.

I MEAN THIS IS THIS IS THESE ARE PEOPLE GUESS LIKE THE REAL DEAL WHOSE DEPARTMENT DEVELOPS HISTORIC PRESERVATION STANDARDS AND GUIDANCE ON PRESERVING AND REHABILITATION OF HISTORIC BUILDINGS AS WELL AS ADMINISTERING THE FEDERAL HISTORIC PRESERVATION TAX INCENTIVE PROGRAMS. I EXPLAINED OUR SITUATION TO ANTONIO.

HE SAID THE ISSUE AT HAND SEEMS TO BE THE DILEMMA BETWEEN DETERMINING WHETHER YOUR HOUSE IS CONTRIBUTING BASED ON RECONSTRUCTION OR AS NEW CONSTRUCTION.

THE CURRENT STRUCTURE IS NEW CONSTRUCTION IN A HISTORIC DISTRICT.

GIVEN THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURE IS NO LONGER EXTANT. IN OTHER WORDS I NEVER USE BUT I GUESS PEOPLE IN THIS FIELD USE ALL THE TIME. I SHOULDN'T HAVE SAID THAT BECAUSE I LOST MY PLACE AND WE NOW HAVE A NEWLY CONSTRUCTED BUILDING HAVING MINIMAL AMOUNT OF THE ORIGINAL FABRIC FROM THE ORIGINAL CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE THEN THIS CANNOT BE DEEMED HISTORIC STRUCTURE ANYMORE. ACCORDING TO ANTONIO, IF IT CAME BEFORE WE WOULD DENY IT FOR TAX CREDITS AS WE WOULD CONSIDER IT NEW CONSTRUCTION NO LONGER A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE IF ITS HISTORICAL INTEGRITY NO LONGER EXISTS AND THERE'S A POINT TO THIS SO BEAR WITH ME.

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HE STRESSED THAT JUST BECAUSE SOME OF THE COMPONENTS FROM THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURE DOESN'T MAKE IT HISTORIC TO THE CONTRARY IF A NEWLY CONSTRUCTED STRUCTURE THAT IS MADE TO LOOK OLD BY USING SOME OF THE OLD IT IS A NEWLY CONSTRUCTED STRUCTURE. I'LL STOP THERE.

THE JOYNER HOME CEASED BEING CONTRIBUTING WHEN WE WERE ISSUED A NEW CONSTRUCTION PERMIT AND WHEN MUCH OF THE ORIGINAL FABRIC WAS UNUSABLE. YOU REFERENCE RICHARDS BRUCE RICHARDS BRUCE SAID IT AND THEN THIS IS ANOTHER POINT. BACK IN NOVEMBER THE TOWN OBVIOUSLY CAME TO THAT CONCLUSION BECAUSE WE FOR WE WENT FOR A CONTRIBUTING RESOURCE GRANT WHICH WAS DENIED . IT WAS NOT APPROVED FOR THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION GRANT FOR HISTORIC RESOURCES. WE GUESS THE TOWN AT THAT TIME CAME TO THE CONCLUSION THAT IT'S NO LONGER A HISTORIC HOUSE ANYWAY BECAUSE WE DIDN'T GET A A GRANT. YOU SEE THE GRANT SAYS IN THE GRANT WORDING.

THE TOWN CURRENTLY OFFERING A HISTORIC PRESERVATION GRANT PROGRAM TO OWNERS OF CONTRIBUTING RESOURCES RIGHT IN THE OLD TOWN BLUFFTON HISTORIC DISTRICT THESE GRANTS WILL SERVE THE FINANCIAL TO FINANCIALLY ASSIST IN THE PRESERVATION RESTORATION AND REHABILITATION OF THESE STRUCTURES. WELL YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT PRESERVATION. WE'RE NOT RESTORATION. WE'RE NOT REHABILITATION OR NEW CONSTRUCTION. AND WE WERE DENIED BASED ON MR. AGUILAR'S OPINION RICHARD'S OPINION AND THE DENIAL OF THE GRANT, IT'S CLEAR WE SHOULD HAVE THEM AND NOW BE GUIDED BY NEW CONSTRUCTION ORDINANCES ONLY AND NOT UNDER THE EXPIRED CONTRIBUTING RESOURCE AND WE FEEL THIS WAY THAT THERE COULD HAVE AND SHOULD HAVE PARTICULARLY SINCE THIS WAS A CONTRACTING RESOURCE APPROVE THESE WINDOWS BECAUSE IT'S CLEAR AT THE WOOD WINDOW IS A MORE APPROPRIATE WINDOW. I'LL CLOSE WITH THIS IN SPEAKING WITH AUDREY TODAY THE TOWN ARCHITECTURAL HISTORIAN AND CITY PLANNER FOR THE CITY OF DETROIT, ANOTHER ONE OF MEL'S FRIENDS, SHE SAID THAT HER STAFF ARE GUIDED TO HONE IN ON THE IMPROVEMENT BEING PROPOSED AND STOP OVERREACHING. SHE SAID SOMETIMES YOU GET SO FOCUSED ON THE DETAILS ■THATYOU OVERLOOK WHAT YOU'RE REALLY TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH SO THEY HONE IN ON THE IMPROVEMENTS.

THE QUESTION THEY ASK THEMSELVES IS WHAT BEING PROPOSED DEMONSTRATIVELY INAPPROPRIATE IS WHAT WE WERE ASKING TO AVOID YOUR TIME HERE TONIGHT AND THESE PEOPLE'S TIME IS IT SO WRONG THAT THIS WOULD WINDOW IS SO THAT THE UDC ADMINISTRATOR WHO HAS VAST POWER COULD NOT HAVE APPROVED IT? WE PRESERVE THE ORIGINAL LOOK IN THE THEME FROM THE 1930S TO HONOR THE JOYNER FAMILY AND THEIR LEGACY UNDER NEW CONSTRUCTION. I RESPECT THE HPC VERY MUCH. WE MAINTAIN THAT DECISION SHOULD HAVE BEEN MADE AT THE STAFF LEVEL. WE HOPE YOU'LL LOOK AT THE FACTS NOW SINCE YOU HAVE TO MAKE THIS DECISION AND YOU UNDERSTAND AND REALIZE THAT NOTHING IN THIS PROJECT WAS DONE TO NEGATE OUR COMMITMENT LAST JULY THAT WE WERE GOING MAKE THIS HOUSE LOOK GREAT JUST LIKE IT WAS. AND I'LL WITH TWO COMMENTS THIS IS MY FOURTH CLOSE PASTOR ANTHONY JOYNER, THE DADDY GREW UP IN THE HOUSE SHE LIVES UP IN THE NORTH CAROLINA AND SENDING HER PICTURES. EUGENE THIS BRINGS TEARS OF JOY TO MY EYES AND HEART. THANK YOU FOR RESPECTING OUR FAMILY HERITAGE.

I CAN'T WAIT TO HUG YOU AND MELANIE, THIS ISN'T ABOUT. THIS ISN'T ABOUT METAL ROOFS AND WOOD BRICK WINDOWS. THIS IS ABOUT US SENDING A MESSAGE TO THE COMMUNITY THAT A FREED MAN IN 1880, 27 YEARS OLD OR SO FOUND THE MONEY IN THE MARKET AND SOLD THEM THE PROPERTY AND HE RAISED HIS FAMILY THERE AND THEN BETSY AND BERTRAM RAISED 12 KIDS THERE AND THEY THOUGHT IT WAS GOING TO GO UP DUST AND IT DIDN'T AND THEY FEEL RESPECTED RESPECTED BECAUSE FOR SO LONG FOLKS LIKE THAT MIGHT NOT HAVE FELT RESPECTED.

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WALTER WILLIAMS JOYNER WHO UP IN THE HOUSE IN THE SIXTIES LIVES RIGHT NEXT DOOR AN ELDER AT THE CHURCH EUGENE MY OLD HOUSE LOOKS SO WONDERFUL. THANK YOU FOR ALL WE STOPPING BY AND TALKING WITH ME ABOUT PROGRESS AND FOR PLANTING SO MANY BEAUTIFUL AZALEAS THAT MY GRANDMOTHER WE PUT A JAIL WAS OUT THERE. YOU KNOW WHY? BECAUSE IT WAS SPECIAL TO HIM. EVERYTHING WE DID WAS A GOOD FIT.

NOTHING WE DID WAS TO CUT CORNERS. IT'S A WONDERFUL PROJECT.

WE'RE PROUD OF IT. YOU CAN VOTE. YOU HAVE SOME OF THESE WINDOWS BECAUSE WINDOWS ARE REAL AND YOU DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT ANY CRITICISM BECAUSE FOREVER WE CAN SAY THERE'S WOODEN WINDOWS IN THAT HOUSE BUT MORE SO WE SAVED A LEGACY OF PEOPLE WHO WORKED DARN HARD IN THIS COMMUNITY AND I'M PROUD OF IT. NO ONE IS PROUD OF THAT.

I THINK THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU.

HEATHER, COULD YOU STEP UP TO THE PODIUM? I THINK I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS AND WELL FIRST OF ALL, I GUESS I WANT TO ASK THE COMMISSION IS THERE ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU'D LIKE TO ASK MR. MARKS BEFORE HE SITS DOWN? MR..

A MOMENT JUST FROM A PROCESS STANDPOINT MY PREFERENCE WOULD BE TO ALLOW TO FOLLOW THE PROCESS AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE. OKAY. ALLOW THE SPEAKER STAFF TO PROVIDE THEIR POSITION AND THEN AN APPELLANT REBUTTAL AND THEN IF THE COMMISSION HAS QUESTIONS THEY SHOULD BE ABLE TO POSE THOSE TO THE TWO PARTIES AND IF ALL OF YOUR QUESTIONS ARE NOT ANSWER TO THAT POINT OUTSTANDING WHAT YOU CAN ASK ASK ME SINCE YOU SAID THIS THE FIRST TIME WE'VE DONE THIS WE APPRECIATE YOUR GUIDANCE. THANK YOU, SIR.

SO IF YOU ONLY NEED TO PROVIDE THOSE IF YOU ONLY DID A CLOSER VIEW OF ANYTHING THAT'S BEEN PROVIDED UP HERE WITH MR. MARKS'S PERMISSION GRANTED. THANK YOU.

OKAY. SO I GUESS. I'M HOLDING OFF ON ANSWERING QUESTIONS TILL AFTER THEN BASED ON WHAT HE JUST SAID, I DON'T HAVE MUCH OF ANY REBUTTAL OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. I WILL SAY THAT YES WHAT YOU'RE HERE TONIGHT IS TO APPROVE WHETHER OR NOT THAT WINDOW HERE AT THE BOTTOM OF THE PODIUM FOR THE RECORD ISN'T APPROPRIATE SUBSTITUTION AND WE MAY HAVE BEEN ABLE TO TO THAT DECISION IF THE PROCESS WAS A LITTLE BIT CHANGED IN THE FACT PRIOR TO APPROVING THE MARVIN'S WINDOW ON THE BUILDING SOMETHING LIKE THIS WAS PROPOSED. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S WHY THIS IS YOU THIS EVENING TO MAKE THAT DETERMINATION. I DO AS YOU KNOW, ADMINISTRATOR HAVE SOME AUTHORITY.

HOWEVER, YOU KNOW, WITH DECISIONS AND MODIFICATIONS THAT COME BACK TO YOU, ESPECIALLY WHEN CONDITIONS ARE PLACED ON COPAS RELATED TO SPECIFIC ELEMENTS I AM TYPICALLY HESITANT TO MAKE THOSE DECISIONS BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO GO AGAINST A DECISION OR CONDITION YOU ALL MADE AS A COMMISSION. SO AGAIN WITHOUT ALL OF THAT INFORMATION WITH THE SPECIFICATIONS, THE SAMPLES INFORMATION AT THE TIME AND BECAUSE OF THAT PROCESS DIDN'T QUITE FLOW ACCORDINGLY. THAT'S WHY HERE THIS EVENING SO AND I WILL MAKE WHATEVER CORRECTIONS AS FAR THERE'S NO ILL WILL MADE WITH MAKING ASSUMPTIONS THAT IT WAS VINYL VERSUS WOOD IT'S JUST BASED ON THE INFORMATION OR THE EYE TEST SO TO SPEAK AT THE TIME BY THE VARIOUS INSPECTORS. SO WE CAN CERTAINLY MAKE THOSE CORRECTIONS. SO THAT WAS NONE OF THAT WAS MADE.

WE DIDN'T MEAN TO MAKE THOSE ASSUMPTIONS INCORRECTLY. I DIDN'T LIKE I SAID THAT WAS AN ERROR LIKE WAS STATED EARLIER ERRORS ARE MADE AND SO THOSE WERE ERRORS THAT THEY REFERRED TO AS VINYL WINDOWS SO I WILL LEAVE IT AT THAT AND THEN ANSWER ANY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS YOU ALL HAVE AFTER DID YOU HAVE A NO OKAY I JUST ANSWERED IT OKAY WITH ANYONE HERE. WELL WE'RE WAITING FOR THE END AS I UNDERSTAND IT OR ANY QUESTION THAT'S THE PREFERRED PROCESS TO ALLOW THE APPLICANT TO ALLOW EACH PARTY TO PRESENT THEIR POSITION AND THEIR QUESTIONS QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE FOR THEM.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT, MR. MARX, DO YOU HAVE ANY REBUTTAL OR JUST QUICK FINAL I HAVE THE HIGHEST RESPECT FOR HEATHER WHICH HAS ALWAYS BEEN RESPONSIVE, AVAILABLE AND A WONDERFUL AND REASONABLE PEOPLE CAN DISAGREE WHEN I DISAGREE WITH HER AND THAT'S OKAY I WISH THAT'S ALL THAT THIS WAS ABOUT. I WISH IT WASN'T ANY OF THE PERIPHERAL STUFF THAT CAME UP. I WANT TO JUSTIFY WHY THESE WINDOWS WERE INFERIOR BUT I HAVE A LOT OF RESPECT FOR YOU AND THANK YOU SO I GUESS I'M GOOD I OPEN IT UP FOR MY DISCUSSIONS OR WHAT YOU CAN OPEN IT UP OR INTERNAL DISCUSSIONS WITH THE ABC.

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YOU CAN ASK QUESTIONS TO THE TWO STAFF OR TO THE APPELLANT. IT IS COMPLETELY WITHIN YOUR CONTROL NOW. THANK YOU. OKAY SO I GUESS I'M LOOKING AT THIS WHOLE PROCESS AS IT'S LOOKING LIKE IT'S A PUNISHMENT FOR A MISTAKE AND I'M JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THE TRUE GAIN IS BY NOT APPROVING THIS WINDOW VERSUS THAT WINDONOH OPINION IS ARM'S LENGTH IS AN OPINION IN MY OPINION ALSO THIS IS AN ENVIRONMENTALLY POOR DECISION. I'M AN ENVIRONMENTALIST AND THIS WOULD BE JUST A BIG HUGE WASTE, A VERY GOOD PRODUCT. AND I DID AGAIN RESEARCH ON WHAT'S BEING INSTALLED IN IT TO ME I'M JUST GOING TO STATE I DON'T KNOW IF I COULD STATE OPINION ON THE WINDOW IS THAT OKAY? ABSOLUTELY. YOU'RE THIS IS THE DISCUSSION YOU'RE DISCUSSING AMONG YOURSELVES IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS THAT YOU NEED ANSWERED BY EITHER STAFF OR THE APPELLANT AND FEEL FREE TO ASK THOSE BUT I'M LOOKING AT THE POWER WINDOW AS I LIKE THAT WINDOW BETTER AS FAR AS MECHANICAL ENGINEERING AT THE WHOLE THING AND ALSO IT'S THE ALUMINUM IN MY OPINION THAT'S A BETTER WINDOW AND I DON'T THINK WE AS A TOWN NEED TO START WHEN YOU I WAS A MANUFACTURER'S AGENT LIGHTING SO IF YOU HAD SOMEBODY THAT SPECIFICALLY SAID THAT IT'S GOING TO BE THIS YOU REALLY WERE PUTTING YOURSELF IN A CORNER WITH US AS A TOWN NEEDS TO LOOK AT AS WE STATE BUT WE HAD SOMETHING SPECIFIC AS THE MANUFACTURER THAT AND I'M NOT SURE THAT YOU KNOW OUR FUTURE WE NEED TO KIND OF CONSIDER THAT PLEASE THAT I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S THE RIGHT THING TO DO FOR THE FOLKS THAT ARE HERE BECAUSE I THINK THE SITUATION THAT WE CAME INTO ON THIS PROBLEM IS THAT THERE IS SOMETHING SPECIFICALLY NAMED AS A MANUFAC. I BELIEVE THERE'S A BETTER PRODUCT OUT THERE THAN WHAT WAS ACTUALLY SPECIFICALLY NAMED SO I'M JUST KIND OF LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, FUTURE FUTURE THINGS TO KEEP IN MIND IS LET'S MAKE SURE OUR MOTIONS DON'T HAVE SOMETHING THAT HAS THAT THAT'S GOING TO PUT UNFORTUNATELY THE TOWN IN A BOX LIKE THIS THAT'S JUST I THINK IT'S UNFORTUNATE THAT THE MISTAKE WAS MADE WHERE HE DIDN'T COME TO HEATHER FIRST SAYING IS THIS IT BOTTOM LINE THAT WAS IT THE MISTAKE MADE THAT HE DIDN'T GET THE APPROVAL BEFOREHAND I WOULD AGREE AND IT'S JUST SUBSEQUENTLY IT CASCADED A LITTLE BIT WHERE THE WINDOW WAS MISNAMED CONCEIVABLY VINYL VERSUS HAD BEEN CLEARED. THE BUILDING HAD OBVIOUSLY MOVED NOT IN THE SAME LOCATION BY ANY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM. IT JUST BOILS DOWN TO THE PROCESS OF SUBMITTING A MARVIN OR EXCUSE ME A PILLOW VERSUS MARVIN PRODUCT.

WOULD THAT BE APPROVED BY HIS STAFF AT THAT POINT HAD IT BEEN SUBMITTED LIKELY SO IT WAS A DUAL NAME AND YOU WOULDN'T BE IN THE SITUATION RIGHT? ABSOLUTELY.

I'M CURIOUS WHAT REMEMBER THE MEMO DATED JUNE 7TH STILL HAS THE FINAL WINDOW FOR FIBERGLASS AND THEN THE SNAP NO BECAUSE THAT'S NOT CORRECT. RIGHT? NO ORDER SAID THAT IS BEING CORRECTED EVEN AS OF TODAY IT WAS PRESENTED THAT WAY BUT IT IS GOING TO BE CORRECTED IN THE IN SOMEHOW IN THE TO ALLOW I CAME INTO IT THINKING YOU FOLLOW THE PROCESS THAT'S IT BUT I THINK IN THIS BECAUSE OF THE YOU KNOW LACK STOCK AND THE FACT THAT HE DID HE USED A SUPERIOR WINDOW WHILE I DON'T CONDONE THE NOT GOING TO THE TOWN FIRST, I DON'T THINK THAT I THINK WE SHOULD APPROVE IT. I DON'T THINK THAT WE SHOULD PUNISH WRATH AND PUNISH HIM UNDER THESE CIRCUMSTANCES. WE HAVE A WITH BEING SAID IS THERE A POSSIBILITY OF GETTING A MOTION ON THIS? IS THAT WHAT WE HAVE TO DO IS PUT A MOTION FORWARD AND HOW WOULD MOTION BE WOULD YOU HELP US POSSIBLY IN SAYING I KNOW THAT YOU GAVE US SOME SUGGESTIONS IN YOUR BUT WHAT HOW DO WE PRESENT THIS THE YOU HAVE YOU HAVE THREE OPTIONS TONIGHT YOU CAN MOVE TO A FIRM THE DECISION OF THE UDR ADMINISTRATOR WHICH WOULD BE MAKING A DETERMINATION THAT THE YOU KNOW ADMINISTRATOR'S

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DECISION ON THE WINDOWS WAS CORRECT YOUR OTHER YOU HAVE OPTION NUMBER TWO WHICH IS TO AFFIRM AND PART REVERSE AND PART I AND THEN YOUR FINAL ONE WHICH WOULD BE TO REVERSE THE DECISION OF THE UDR ADMINISTRATOR WHAT I WOULD RECOMMEND YOU DO IS OBVIOUSLY YOU MAKE THE MOTION GET A SECOND AT THE VOTE BUT TO THE BASIS FOR THAT A LOT OF WHAT YOU HAVE SAID TONIGHT WILL SUPPORT THAT BASIS. I BELIEVE IT WAS COMMISSIONER BARKSDALE WHO HAD ALREADY SAID THAT THE IN HER OPINION THE PELLA WINDOWS AN APPROPRIATE SUBSTITUTE BUT THAT IS A SINGLE COMMISSIONER NOT A GROUP OF FIVE SO YOU HAVE TO HAVE A LEGITIMATE BASIS FOR WHICHEVER DECISION YOU MAKE AS YOU ALL DISCUSS THIS I CAN A MOTION OR TRY TO WORK ON A MOTION THAT IS SUPPORTIVE OF YOUR DECISION. I JUST NEED YOU ALL TO DISCUSS IT AND GIVE ME A LITTLE BIT OF A MOMENT TO WRITE. I THINK THAT YOU MENTIONED SOME GOOD THINGS WILL YOU MENTIONED YOU KNOW, DO WE NEED TO REITERATE POSSIBLY WHAT JUST VERBIAGE THE VERBIAGE SO THAT YOU KNOW AND THEN I THINK IF WE ALL KIND OF WOULD JUST ADD OUR CONCEPTS AND IDEAS ON THIS IS WELL POINT BLANK THE WINDOW IS A SUITABLE REPLACEMENT.

ANOTHER POINT IS THE HOUSE OBVIOUSLY MOVED IT'S NOT IN ITS ORIGINAL LOCATION.

IT IS NOT A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE ANY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM IN THE TOWER AND THEY ACKNOWLEDGE BUT TURNING DOWN THE PROPOSED GRANT NOT NOT BUT THAT NEEDS TO BE FACTORED INTO THAT SUBSIDY THAT'S SECONDARY I THINK WE'RE REALLY JUST DISCUSSING WINDOWS ARE THE WINDOWS APPROVABLE? YES, I AGREE THOSE ARE SUPERIOR.

YOUR OPINION IS THE WINDOWS ARE SUPERIOR BUT WE COULD PUT THAT POSSIBLY IN THE MOTION WHEN THERE WASN'T A SUPPLY WHEN WENT TO INSTALL THEM HE WASN'T EXPECTING TO HAVE TO REPLACE ALL THE WINDOWS WHEN HE WENT TO GO GET THE MARVIN WINDOWS THEY DIDN'T HAVE AND SO HE REPLACED IT WITH A SUPERIOR IT'S LIKE KIND IN STYLE OF A REPLACEMENT THAT HAPPENS TO BE A SUPERIOR PRODUCT TO THE ONE THAT WAS SPECIFIED IN THE PLANS THAT WAS APPROVED BY THE HBC JUST BEING THE PILLOW PRODUCT SUPERIOR TO THE MARVIN PRODUCT. SO VERY GOOD.

THANK YOU. AND THAT'S A DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER ADDED COMMENTS? I PERSONALLY FEEL THAT YOU KNOW AGAIN I'M GOING TO REITERATE IT'S PROBABLY NOT GOING TO BE PUT IN THIS IN THIS BUT IN FUTURE MOTIONS WE NEED TO REALLY WATCH HOW WE STATE EMOTIONS SO THAT IF THERE'S A SPECIFIC MANUFACTURER LISTED I THINK I'M THIS IS MY LAST MEETING SO IT'S GOING TO BE YOU GUYS RESPONSIBILITY JUST KIND OF KEEP THAT IN MIND SO IT DOESN'T HAPPEN AGAIN WE COULD PREVENT WE COULD HAVE PREVENTED THIS BUT I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO TO BE SPECIFIC WHEN IT COMES TO SOMETHING THAT HISTORIC STRUCTURE THAT WAS A HISTORIC STRUCTURE SOMETIMES IT COULD BE BUT IT COULD BE IN A SPECIFICATION TYPE MANNER RATHER THAN A SPECIFIC MANUFACTURED TYPE MANNER. SO IT WAS A CHANGE OF PLAN.

THAT'S RIGHT. YEAH. SO IT'S IT'S A DIFFICULT SITUATION SO I'M JUST GOING THROWING THAT OUT THERE AND I THINK SOME OF THE ONUS GOES ON TO THAT MARVIN BUT ALL APPLICANTS COME FORWARD IF YOU'RE GOING TO CHANGE SOMETHING NO YOU HAVE TO COME BACK TO THE STAFF JUST, GET APPROVAL BECAUSE WE'RE APPROVING THIS ONE AND IF YOU'RE CHANGING YOUR SQUARE TO A CIRCLE, YOU GOT TO COME BACK.

YEAH, JUST A STAFF LEVEL. THAT'S WHAT IT IS. IT WILL, MR. CHAIRMAN, IF I MAY SO I CAN CAN READ THE TEA LEAVES HERE AND SEE WHICH WAY YELLOW CLEARLY LEANING BECAUSE STAFF HAS EXPLICITLY STATED THIS THEIR DECISION TO ISSUE THE DENIAL WAS IN LARGE PART TO WANTING THE HPC TO OPINE ON THE ISSUE THE SUITABILITY OF THE PELLET LIFESTYLE WINDOW IT IS HIGHLY UNLIKELY THAT STAFF ITSELF WILL APPEAL THIS DECISION.

SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I AM GOING TO DO IS PROBABLY BE A LITTLE BIT LOOSER WITH THE MOTION THAN IT WOULD BE IF IT WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS HIGHLY LIKELY TO GO TO THE NEXT STEP.

WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SAY JUST FOR THE RECORD AND JUST TO CORRECT ANY ANY ISSUES THE THE WAY THAT THE WINDOWS WERE APPROVED IN THE ORIGINAL AGE HD BY THE HPC WAS THAT THEY TO PRESERVE THE EXISTING WINDOWS AND IF NOT TO WORK WITH STAFF ON SUITABLE A SUITABLE

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REPLACEMENT WINDOW SO A SPECIFIC WINDOW TYPE WAS NOT APPROVED BY HPC RATHER IN THE BUILDING PERMIT PROCESS YOU POWER EXCUSE ME THE MARVIN ELEVATE WINDOW WAS INCLUDED ON THE BUILDING PERMIT THAT WAS WHAT WAS APPROVED BY STAFF ULTIMATELY WHAT WAS WAS THE PELLET LIFESTYLE THE APPLICANT HAS ACKNOWLEDGED THAT THAT WAS AN ERROR TO NOT BRING THAT TO STAFF FIRST AND WAS A PART OF THE BASIS THE DENIAL LETTER FROM THE UEO ADMINISTRATOR THERE ARE FOUR REASONS FOR THE DENIAL THEY INCLUDED THAT THE WINDOWS INSTALLED WERE NOT THE SAME APPROVED BY STAFF AND AS SPECIFIED IN THE BUILDING PERMIT I THINK ALL PARTIES HAD ACKNOWLEDGED THAT THAT IS CORRECT THE SECOND ONE WAS STAFF WAS NOT PROVIDED ADDITIONAL INFORMATION REGARDING THE PILLOW LIFESTYLE WINDOWS PRIOR TO INSTALLATION AND HAS NOT APPROVED THEM AS REQUIRED BY THE COFA THAT HAS BEEN ACKNOWLEDGED BY ALL PARTIES. THAT'S THAT'S TRUE AS WELL. IT REALLY COMES DOWN TO SEE ANDY THAT THE PELLA LIFESTYLE WINDOWS DO NOT MEET THE ARM'S LENGTH RULE.

THEY ARE NOT INDISTINGUISHABLE FROM THE ORIGINAL WINDOWS AT AN ARM'S LENGTH INDEED THAT THE PELLA LIFESTYLE WINDOWS INSTALLED DO NOT MATCH THE OLD IN DESIGN AND TEXTURE BASED OFF OF WHAT I HAVE HEARD TONIGHT IT APPEARS THAT THE HPC WOULD AFFIRM THE UEO ADMINISTRATORS DECISION AS TO THOSE FIRST TWO POINTS BECAUSE ALL PARTIES AGREED TO THAT BUT WOULD REVERSE THE YOU THE ADMINISTRATOR TO THE LAST TWO AND THAT THE THE WINDOWS ARE NOT BOTTOM CLAD BUT ALUMINUM AND THAT THEY ARE AN APPROPRIATE REPLACEMENT WINDOW FOR THE SITE BASED OFF OF THE INFORMATION PROVIDED TODAY BY APPELLANT AND IF THAT IS CONSISTENT WITH WHAT YOU ALL HAVE FOUND TONIGHT RATHER THAN HAVING YOU RESTATE THE MOTION I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT ONE OF THE HPC HPC MEMBERS SAY A MOVE AS STATED BY MR. LE BRUCE I MOVE AS STATED BY MR. LUBBERS CONCERNS. SECOND, IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THIS ISSUE? WELL, THAT IS UP TO THE CHAIR OF THE HPC BUT THIS IS WITHIN YOUR JURISDICTION. DON'T BELIEVE WE KNOW I HAVE A MOTION AND I NEED TO HAVE THE MOTION PASSED ALL IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION IS SPOKEN I I ANY OPPOSE THE MOTION PASSES UNANIMOUSLY SO THEREFORE I TAKE IT THE NEXT STEP WOULD BE FOR THE TOWN STAFF TO ALLOW MR. MARKS TO PROCEED FORWARD AND POSSIBLY I DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE IS OPEN FOR SEALED.

THIS MIGHT BE ONE OF THE ISSUES TO ALLOW THE I NEED TO SEE HOW I CAN ENSURE THE BUILDING SO IN OTHER WORDS THAT'S AGAIN I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE OTHER TOPIC IS OR WHATEVER ELSE IS GOING ON TO GET THE CEO BUT MY QUESTION THEN TO THE TOWN LET'S SAY IS IS THIS THE ONLY THING HOLDING THEM UP FROM GETTING A CEO AND WHAT WE PASSED HERE IS THIS GOING TO ALLOW THAT TO HAPPEN? AND IF I IF I MAY IF I MAY ANSWER IT RATHER THAN HAVING THIS TOWN STAFF ON THAT QUESTION PRECISELY OBVIOUSLY THERE ARE CERTAIN ISSUES THAT ARE WITHIN THE JURISDICTION OF THE HPC AND OTHERS THAT ARE NOT YOU KNOW, IF STAFF FEELS COMFORTABLE ANSWER THAT THEY CERTAINLY CAN BUT THAT WOULD BE MY UNDERSTANDING WHAT IS DECIDED HERE TONIGHT.

THEIR CONCERNS IN THAT DENIAL LETTER HAVE BEEN ADDRESSED AND MR. MARKS'S WINDOWS ARE NO LONGER AN OKAY VERY GOOD I BELIEVE THAT FINISHES THIS ISSUE UP AND I GUESS YOU COULD TAKE YOUR SAMPLES ONE AN EXTRA WINDOW FOR THE OTHER ONE THAT I NEED TO WORK WITH I NEED A BETTER WINDOW THAT WAS A YOU KNOW, AN INTERESTING OPPORTUNITY TO LEARN MORE ON MUNICIPAL BUT ALWAYS GOOD TO LEARN MORE ON MUNICIPAL POLITICS ISN'T IT ALL IT WORKS . THERE WE GO. SIT ON THE SIDELINES.

[X.2. Certificate of Appropriateness: A request by Andrew Pietz to allow the construction of a new single-family residence of approximately 3,291 SF and a Carriage House of approximately 484 SF to be located at 58 Pritchard Street, in the Old Town Bluffton Historic District and zoned Neighborhood General-HD. (COFA-03-23-017752) (Staff - Katie Peterson)]

YEAH, YEAH. ALL RIGHT, NOW WE'RE UP ON OUR NEXT OPPORTUNITY OF DISCUSSION AND I BELIEVE KATIE, YOU WANT ME TO PRESENT, CORRECT? YES.

GOOD EVENING, COMMISSIONER. WE'RE NOT IT LOOKS LIKE WHICH WE ARE ON 58 PRITCHARD 58 PRITCHARD STREET AND SO TONIGHT BEFORE US WE HAVE A REQUEST BY THE APPLICANT ANDREW PIERCE FOR THE APPROVAL OF A CERTIFICATE OF REMEMBRANCE TO ALLOW THE CONSTRUCTION OF A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE OF APPROXIMATELY 3000 . IS THE APPLICANT HERE?

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OKAY, JUST CHECKING BEHIND ME. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU.

OF A NEW SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE OF APPROXIMATELY 3291 SQUARE FEET AND A CARRIAGE HOUSE OF 484 SQUARE FEET. IT'S PROPOSED AT 58 PRITCHARD STREET, WHICH IS HERE IN THE OLD TOWN BOSTON HISTORIC DISTRICT JUST KIND OF ACROSS THE POOL HERE IT IS ZONED NEIGHBORHOOD GENERAL HD THE SITE PLAN THAT WAS PROVIDED WITH THE ARCHITECTURAL DRAWINGS I'M GOING TO FLIP THROUGH THIS FAIRLY QUICKLY BUT I AM HAPPY TO GO BACKWARDS IN TIME OR IN SLIDES TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE AND OF COURSE THE APPLICANT IS TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF THE PROJECT AS WELL. SO THE FLOOR PLANS ARE HERE AS YOU CAN SEE IT IS A ONE AND A HALF STORY STRUCTURE MEANING THE SECOND STOREY IS LESS THAN 70% OF THE STORY DIRECTLY BENEATH IT. THIS IS THE ROOF PLAN SO YOU CAN SEE THAT THE SECOND STORY IS OF THAT SQUARE THAT IS RIGHT IN THE CENTER THERE WITH A GIANT X ON IT AND THEN THE REST OF IT IS ON THE FIRST FLOOR SO YOU CAN SEE THIS IS THE FRONT ELEVATION.

THEY DO HAVE THESE THIS FRONT SCREW PORCH IS GOING TO BE SCREENED IN THIS DETAIL SO THAT WE CAN SEE THE WINDOWS THEN THE DOOR THAT IS DIRECTLY BEHIND THE SCREENING SCREENING.

THIS IS THE RIGHT ELEVATION. SO AGAIN YOU CAN SEE THAT SCREEN PORCH.

THIS WOULD BE THE FRONT, THE STRUCTURE AND THEN THE REAR OF THE STRUCTURE IS BACK HERE WITH THE ONE STORY ADDITION TO THE REAR. THIS IS THE REAR ADDITION OR THE REAR ELEVATION WITH THE ONE STORY ADDITION AT THE REAR THERE THE LEFT ELEVATION.

SO AGAIN THE FRONT IS WITH THE SCREENED IN PORCH IT WILL BE SCREENED ON THE FRONT AS WELL AS WHAT I WAS TRYING TO THERE ON THE SCREEN PORCH COME IN THE WINDOW DOOR SCHEDULE FOR THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE AS WELL AS THE CARRIAGE HOUSE ELEVATION. SO I'VE GOT ALL THOSE HERE ON THE SAME SCREEN BECAUSE IT WAS A LITTLE BIT SMALLER AND THEN I HAVE SOME DETAILS FOR YOU AS WELL AS THE FENCE DETAILS AND THEN THE TREE SAME SO THIS IS WHERE THE TREE PROTECTION FENCING IS GOING TO GO. I STOLE THIS OUT OF THE LANDSCAPE PLAN BUT I ZOOMED IN ON IT SO YOU CAN SEE IT A LITTLE AND THEN THIS IS THE SITE PLAN THAT WAS INCLUDED IN THE LANDSCAPE PLAN. SO THIS ONE DOES INCLUDE THE DRIVEWAY.

I KNOW ONE OF MY COMMENTS IN THE STAFF REPORT WHICH I'M SURE YOU'VE ALL READ IS THAT THE DRIVEWAY IS NOT SHOWING UP AND THE FOOTPRINT OF THE CARRIAGE HOUSE IS NOT SHOWING UP ON THERE IT IS ON THE LANDSCAPE PLAN. IT'S JUST NOT ON THE ARCHITECTURAL PLAN SET SO IT NEEDS TO BE REFLECTIVE THERE AND THEN THIS IS THE PROPOSED LANDSCAPE PLAN I'VE. PUT THE PLANTING SCHEDULE AT THE TOP HERE FOR YOU GUYS AND THEN AGAIN YOU CAN SEE THOSE TREES SAVE AREAS ARE IN LOOKS LIKE THE SHALLOW END BUSHES THAT ARE CIRCLING TREES HERE BECAUSE THIS IS AN APPLICATION A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS NEW CONSTRUCTION THE HPC CONSIDERS THE CRITERIA THAT ARE FOUND IN SECTION 318 THREE OF OUR UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT ORDINANCE WHEN THEY ASSESS APPLICATION AND THEY HAVE THE AUTHORIZATION TO APPROVE THE APPLICATION AS SUBMITTED THE APPLICANT APPROVE THE APPLICATION WITH CONDITIONS OR DENY THE APPLICATION AS SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT SHOULD THEY FIND THEY DON'T MEET THOSE CRITERIA. TOWN STAFF HAS FOUND THAT WITH FOLLOWING EXCEPTIONS OR CONDITIONS IT COULD MEET THOSE CRITERIA.

I AM GOING TO GO THROUGH THEM QUICKLY BECAUSE WE DO ONLY HAVE ONE MICROPHONE AND SOME OF MOST OF THEM ARE ADMINISTRATIVE. SO THE FIRST ONE IS THAT A TREE REMOVAL PERMIT IS REQUIRED.

THAT'S A REQUIREMENT OF ALMOST EVERY APPLICATION THAT WE SEE BEFORE YOU.

WE LIKE TO MAKE SURE THAT THE SITE PLAN IS FAIRLY SET BEFORE THAT IS SUBMITTED.

THE SECOND IS THAT AN ENCROACHMENT PERMIT IS REQUIRED AS PRITCHARD STREET IS A TOWN OF BLUFFTON OWNED AND MAINTAINED ROAD THEY HAVE APPLIED FOR AN ENCROACHMENT PERMIT BUT CANNOT BE APPROVED UNTIL WE GET FINAL SIGN OFF ON RELOCATING OF A FIRE HYDRANT BY B FOR JUST ONE. AND WE DO HAVE VERY PRELIMINARY APPROVAL BUT THEY NEEDED TO MAKE SOME CHANGES TO THAT AND RESUBMIT IT TO THEM BEFORE WE COULD GET THE FINAL SIGN OFF ON THAT. SO THEY ARE IN THE PROCESS OF WORKING ON THAT.

SO IT IS AN ADMINISTRATIVE PREREQUISITE I GUESS TO THE ISSUANCE OF A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS. THE THIRD IS THAT THE FIRE HYDRANT MUST ACTUALLY BE RELOCATED BEFORE THE ISSUANCE OF A BUILDING PERMIT. SO WHILE IT CAN BE INCLUDED AS A HYPOTHETICAL ON THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS BEFORE THEY CAN GET THE BUILDING PERMIT WE DO NEED TO SEE THAT ACTUALLY RELOCATED SINCE IT IS THE ONLY THING THAT ALLOWS FOR PARKING TO BE HAPPEN ON THEIR SITE IT ACTUALLY HAS TO BE MOVED SUBMIT BECAUSE I AM SURE OF IT AND IT'S LIKE RIGHT THERE AND SMACK DAB YEAH AND YOU CAN SEE IT IT IS BEING PROPOSED THAT THAT'S THEIR ENCROACHMENT IS MOVING THE FIRE THE DRIVEWAY THE ENCROACHMENT PERMIT FROM THE TOWN OF BLUFFTON BUT THE GENERAL WATERING THE REASON THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT THAT IS THEY'RE ENCROACHING OVER THE TOWN OF BLUFFTON EASEMENT.

YES. SO ANY ROAD THAT IS OWNED, THE TOWN OF BLUFFTON, IT REQUIRES THAT ENCROACHMENT PERMIT TO HAVE ITS. YEAH, IT'S FAIRLY STANDARD.

THERE'S A NEIGHBORHOOD ENCROACHMENT. IT'S JUST GETTING A CROSS FOR THE TOWN. YEAH. SO THE FIRE HYDRANT IS LOCATED RIGHT HERE AS YOU CAN SEE. MY MOUTH IS KIND OF MOVING ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE AND IN ORDER TO GAIN ACCESS THE SITE TO ALLOW FOR ANY PARKING TO BE BEHIND THE FRONT PLAIN OF THE

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BUILDING AS IS REQUIRED BY OUR ORDINANCE THAT FIRE HYDRANT BE IN THAT SPOT.

SO BASICALLY WE HAVE TO HAVE IT MOVE BEFORE THEY CAN HAVE THE BUILDING PERMIT BECAUSE IF THEY GET THE BUILDING PERMIT AND THEY DON'T MOVE THE FIRE HYDRANT THEY GET THAT THEY COULD START THE CONSTRUCTION OF THIS PROJECT WITHOUT HAVING IT MOVED.

NOW IS THAT AN ISSUE IF THEY DON'T HAVE A BUILDING PERMIT THEN THEY'VE GOT TO MOVE THAT.

HOW DO THEY GET THAT APPROVED THAT'S DONE THROUGH BEFORE JASPER WATER AND SEWER AND IT'S NOT A TOWN OF BLUFFTON BUILDING DEPARTMENT SO THEY JUST HAVE TO PAY YOU FOR COUNTY TO MOVE.

OKAY THAT'S NOT GOING TO OR THEY'LL DO NOT WANT YOU TO CALL THEM AN ENDLESS LOOP.

WE DON'T WANT IT TO BE AN ENDLESS LOOP WHICH IS WHY IT'S IT'S IN THIS ORDER.

OKAY. THE FOURTH POINT IS THAT THE SITE PLAN SHEET 100 NEEDS TO BE REVISED TO SHOW THE DRIVEWAY AND THE ACCURATE BUILDING FOOTPRINT IT IS SHOWING THE LANDSCAPE PLAN. WE JUST NEED THE BOTH SETS TO BE REFLECTIVE OF THE SAME SO THAT'S ESSENTIALLY WHAT EQUATES TO A SCRIBNER'S ERROR AND JUST CAN BE UPDATED AS WELL.

THE FIFTH ONE IS THAT THE SQUARE WINDOWS ON THE CARRIAGE HOUSE MUST BE REVISED TO MATCH THOSE ON THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE . IF YOU CAN SEE THE CARRIAGE HOUSE THE SQUARE HERE IT'S GOT THE FOUR WINDOW OR THE CROSS MOUNTAINS GOING ON AND ON THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE THE SQUARE WINDOWS OF THE SAME HAVE JUST THE SINGLE MOUNTAIN DOES REFLECT THE WINDOW PROPORTIONS OF THE LARGER WINDOWS ON THE SITE.

SO THIS IS THE APPROPRIATE CONFIGURATION OF THOSE IT'S A FAIRLY SIMPLE CORRECTION TO MAKE THERE THE PVC CLAD POST ON THE STAIR DETAIL BE REVISED TO A PERMITTED MATERIAL.

I THINK AGAIN THIS IS SOMETHING THAT MAY BE JUST A SCRIBNER'S ERROR.

HOWEVER AS YOU LOOK AT THE STAIR DETAIL HERE THIS IS IDENTIFIED AS IPV C CLAD POST WHICH WOULD BE THE COLUMN AS IS SHOWN ON THE ELEVATIONS AND IT'S JUST LISTED AS AN EIGHT BY EIGHT COLUMN ON THE ELEVATION. WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT IS THE WOOD COLUMN AS IS PERMITTED AND THEN THE LAST ONE IS THAT THE LOUVERED PANEL DETAILS NEED TO BE REVISED SO THAT ALL AREAS ARE CONSISTENT AND, THAT THE COLUMNS ALIGN WITH THE PIERS AND I PUT THAT IN QUOTE BECAUSE IS A TURN SLAB BUT THEY'RE OFF SETTING IT TO AS THOUGH IT APPEARS THOUGH IT'S PIERS FOR ELEVATION. SO AGAIN THAT'S SOMETHING THAT SHOULDN'T CAUSE TOO MUCH A CHALLENGE WITH REVISING THAT DETAIL. BUT IF YOU TAKE A LOOK, PIERS ARE SUPPOSED TO BE CENTERED ON THE COLUMNS ARE SUPPOSED TO BE CENTERED ON THE PIERS WHICH SUPPORT THEM WITH THIS CONFIGURATION. HOW THAT GETS CENTERED IS THAT THIS PANEL HERE JUST MOVES SO THAT IT'S CENTERED BETWEEN THESE TWO COLUMNS HERE AND THIS APPEARS TO BE APPEARS BE A PIER I GOT TO STOP USING THE DOUBLE PIERS GO BUT THAT DETAIL AND THEN IF YOU LOOK AT THE FRONT ELEVATION IT STOPS HERE SO YOU'VE GOT THIS AREA WHICH WOULD BE OPEN SPACE BENEATH THE STAIRS THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE REFLECTIVE OF THE SAME.

IT'S ALL IN HOW THE PANELS ARE INSTALLED THAT SLAB TO REFLECT PIER CONFIGURATION RATHER THAN JUST AN ATTACHED PIECE OF WOOD ON TOP OF THE FOUNDATION AND ALL I HAVE I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE. THE APPLICANT IS HERE TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF THE PROJECT.

IS THE APPLICANT WANTING TO STEP FORWARD AND SAY ANYTHING TO ADD AND PLEASE STEP FORWARD STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS THAT YOU'RE WORKING ON YOUR INTEGRITY AND BASICALLY THAT THE COMMENTS JUST JUST SO YOU KIND OF KNOW WHERE WE STAND THE ENCROACHMENT WAS SUBMITTED AND THEN SO THAT WAS SUBMITTED TODAY AND I HAVEN'T GOT A RESPONSE ON THAT.

IT WAS SUBMITTED PROBABLE MAYBE FOUR WEEKS AGO OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

SO I THINK WE'RE PROBABLY IN THE PROCESS OF JUST I DIDN'T GET ANY IN THE PROCESS.

YEAH SO I THINK I THINK WE'RE OKAY THERE ON THE RELOCATION OF THE HYDRANT WE'VE BEEN WE'RE AT THE POINT WHERE PEOPLE ARE JUST FOR WATER THEY WANT A SITE VISIT SO I THINK WE'VE WE'VE ADDRESSED THE COMMENTS THAT WE SUBMITTED THEY GAVE US COMMENTS WE ADDRESSED ALL THEIR COMMENTS . NOW WE HAVE TO DO A SITE VISIT AND ONCE WE HAVE THAT SITE VISIT. THEY'LL GO AHEAD AND APPROVE THAT.

SO I THINK WE'RE AT THE VERY END THAT PORTION OF THAT JUST SO YOU KIND OF KNOW WHERE WE STAND ON THAT ALL THOSE OTHER THINGS SOME OF THEM ARE OVERSIGHTS LIKE THE THE POST BEING PBC. I MEAN THAT THAT'S FINE IT'S IS GOING TO BE GOOD ANYWAY.

I MEAN REALLY EVERYTHING EVERY ALL THE COMMENTS THAT NEED TO BE ADDRESSED I THINK THOSE ARE PRETTY SIMPLE THINGS THAT COULD BE ADDRESSED THE WINDOW ITSELF ON THAT BACK WE ADDRESSED ON THE MAIN STRUCTURE IT WAS BROUGHT UP IN CONCEPTUAL AND I THINK WE JUST MISSED IT AND

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CONCEPTUAL TO GO AHEAD AND DO THAT THE CARRIAGE HOUSE SO I THINK REALLY MEAN IT CAN BE CHANGED AND THEN SUBMITTED TO YOU AND THAT COULD BE APPROVED BY YOU OKAY I THINK I MEAN ALL OF THOSE ALL OF THOSE LITTLE THINGS COULD BE QUICKLY ADDRESSED AND THEN GO BACK IF THAT'S ALLOWED. BUT YOU GUYS AND I THINK REALLY AT THE POINT OF LIKE THE FIRE WOULD HAVE BEEN THE MAJOR ONE. WE HAVE TO HAVE A A SITE VISIT WITH THEM AND THEN ONCE ONCE THAT'S DONE I THINK WE'RE IN A POSITION WHERE THAT'S TO GET APPROVED AND I CAN'T GET MY PERMIT UNTIL YOU KNOW IT LOOKS LIKE UNTIL I GET THAT ANYWAY SO I'M HOPING AND I'M PROPOSING THAT WE COULD GO AHEAD AND MOVE FORWARD AND GET APPROVED, MAKE THOSE CHANGES, ADDRESS THE THE FIRE HYDRANT AND THEN FIGURE OUT WHERE WE STAND ON THE ENCROACHMENT AND I THINK WE'RE AT THE TAIL END OF THAT TOO. SO THEN I CAN GIVE YOU MORE INSIGHT INTO THAT QUESTION.

HE DID SUBMIT IT TO DAN. I THINK NATHAN WAS ACTUALLY THE APPLICANT IS WHY YOU HAVEN'T HEARD BACK THERE. HIS ENGINEER IS THE ONE WHO SUBMITTED IT AND WE'VE BEEN IN COMMUNICATION WITH HIM THERE TALKING TO BEFORE JASPER SO WE JUST ARE WAITING ON BEAUFORT IT'S A WATERFALL EFFECT WHERE BEFORE JASPER WE'LL GET BACK TO NATHAN WHO WILL GET BACK DAN WHO WILL BE ABLE TO THEN ISSUE THE ENCROACHMENT PERMIT AS LONG AS THEY'RE FINALIZED ON THE FIRE HYDRANT. BUT I DID PERSONALLY TALK TO YOU FOR JUST WATER AND SEWER AND THEY SAID AS LONG AS THEY DO X, Y AND Z IT IS APPROVABLE. IT JUST ISN'T THERE YET SIMILAR TO FIXING THE WINDOWS AND THINGS LIKE THAT FOR US. SO IT'S APPROVABLE IN THEORY AS LONG AS THEY CORRECT THOSE TWO FEW CHANGES AND JUST TO KIND OF RESTATE THAT SO LOOKS LIKE I'M BEING HELD UP ON THE PERMIT SO I'M JUST ASKING THAT BASICALLY WE HOPEFULLY CAN GET APPROVED TODAY MAKE THOSE CHANGES THAT WE CAN GO AHEAD AND AT LEAST GET THIS PROCESS DONE SO WE CAN TAKE THE NEXT STEP SO HE CAN GET A BUILDING PERMIT AT ALL UNTIL THE FIRE HYDRANT IS MOVED OR UNTIL IT'S BEEN APPROVED MOVE. HOW IS THIS IF HE CAN'T GET THE BUILDING PERMIT ISSUED UNTIL IT'S BEEN MOVED BECAUSE IT IS PHYSICALLY BEING MOVED BEFORE YOU COULD DO THAT. YES BUT HE COULD SUBMIT HIS BUILDING PERMIT FOR REVIEW SO THAT THE ENGINEERING IT ESSENTIALLY IS HE'S GETTING THE REVIEW THE PROCESS BEING PUSHED FORWARD AS SOON AS HE CAN PULL THE TRIGGER AS SOON AS THAT THINGS MOVE AND IT'S JUST SO THAT WE DON'T GET INTO A CASE WHERE SOMETHING HAPPENS AND BEFORE JASPER PEOPLE CHANGE HANDS AND WE DIDN'T ACTUALLY GET THAT APPROVAL AND IT WOULD PREVENT THEM FROM BEING ABLE TO PARK ON THEIR SITE. SO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT IS TAKEN CARE OF BEFORE THAT MAKES SENSE. PRETTY GOOD. ALL RIGHT.

SO THEREFORE I'M LOOKING FOR A MOTION. I HAD A COUPLE OF COMMENTS IF WE'RE GOING TO DO DISCUSSION. WELL YEAH WE GUESS I GUESS WE CAN DO THAT.

YEAH YEAH. FIRST WAS TO KIND OF ADD TO THE THE OR THE LOUVERS AT THE PORCHES I WOULD SUGGEST IF IT'S A BRICK OR MASONRY PORCH FLOOR TO EITHER GET RID OF THE LOUVERED PANELS UNDERNEATH TYPICALLY IF IT'S A IF IT'S A CONCRETE SLAB YOU WOULDN'T IN THE SPIRIT OF KEEPING IT HISTORICALLY ACCURATE YOU WOULDN'T HAVE A LOUVER PANEL DOWN THERE. THE ONLY CASE YOU WOULD HAVE IT IS IF IT WAS A WOOD OR COMPOSITE PORCH FLOOR AND THEN WITH A WOOD WE'RE MAKING SENSE IF YOU LOOK IN THE IN THE TRADITIONAL IF THIS IS DO YOU NEED THE LOUVER IF IT'S CONCRETE YOU DON'T RIGHT YOU TYPICALLY WOULDN'T HAVE THAT SO IT'S I MEAN IT IS A FAUX APPLICATION ANYWAY SO I WOULD JUST SUGGEST EITHER REMOVING IT COMPLETELY OR IF IT WAS TO CHANGE AND ONE TIME WE WERE REQUIRING THOUGH IT CAN BE PROPOSED AS LONG AS IT IS SET BACK INTO IT AND NOT APPLIED TO THE FRONT. SO IT IS SOMETHING HAVE SEEN AND APPROVED IN THE PAST BOTH WAYS. THE FIRST WAY WAS APPLIED TO THE FRONT OF IT WHICH WAS NOT THE INTENT OF APPROVAL AND WAS DONE A HANDFUL OF TIMES. HPC SAID WHOA STOP WHAT YOU'RE DOING EVERYBODY THAT'S NOT APPROPRIATE. AND THEN THERE HAVE BEEN SEVERAL ITERATIONS THAT HAVE APPLIED IT AS THOUGH IT WERE A PEER PORCH SO IT IS OFFSET AND DOES HAVE THAT CORRECT SHADOW LINE AS IF THEY WERE PEERS. SO THE POOR ON THE PORCH WILL BE DROPPED BACK INTO TO CREATE A CHANNEL FOR THOSE LOUVERS TO SIT INTO SO IT IS AN OPTION TO NOT HAVE AT ALL AND JUST HAVE THE TABBY STUCCO FOUNDATION IF IT IS THE APPLICANT'S CHOICE THEY CAN ALSO PROPOSED LIKE WITH THE FACT THAT I KNOW THAT WHEN I BUILT NINE YEARS AGO AND IT WAS REQUIRED BACK THEN THAT I BELIEVE THAT WAS A STOCK FIRM REQUIREMENT NOT A RIGHT.

I KNOW THAT IF IT WAS PROPOSED IT HAD TO BE SETTLED AND SO I'M JUST YEAH SO I'M JUST SAYING THAT THERE'S A CHANGE THEN BUT IF IT'S NOT REQUIRED WHY DO IT GIVES THE LOOK OF BACKGROUND CONSTRUCTION IS WHAT IT IS I'M SURE IT GIVES THE LOOK OF OFF BROWN CONSTRUCTION.

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YEAH YEAH YEAH. DO YOU MIND IF I MAKE ONE COMMENT? NO GO AHEAD. WE JUST FEEL LIKE IT SOFTENS THE FRONT ELEVATION ON THE FRONT INSTEAD OF HAVING FULL TAVA THE WAY ACROSS AND SOMETHING THAT'S ELEVATED WE'RE REQUIRED TO HAVE A 36 INCH FRONT CENTER SIDEWALK SO WE JUST FEEL LIKE THAT JUST SOFTENS THAT LOOK JUST A LITTLE BIT MORE INSTEAD HAVING SUCH A SO THIS IS JUST YOUR ARCHITECTURAL SILHOUETTE. YEAH ALL IT IS IS ARCHITECTURAL DETAIL THAT WE FEEL LIKE ADDS A BETTER ESTHETIC AS LONG AS IT'S INSET AND LOOKS LIKE IT'S SUPPOSED TO AND WE TALKED ABOUT WE WE TALKED ABOUT REQUIREMENTS AND HOW WE WOULD HAVE TO BE WE COULD MARK THAT ON THERE TOO.

WELL, I THINK THE OTHER COMMISSIONER ISN'T NECESSARILY TALKING ABOUT THE INSIDE OF THE VENT. IT'S THE BRICK IS VERTICAL. GO AND CROSS THE FLOOR.

THE VENT GOES RIGHT UP TO THAT. THERE WOULD BE A TEN OR 12 INCH DROP OR BAND BETWEEN THAT AND THE TOP THAT WOULD RUN AROUND THE FRONT OF THE FRONT AND SIDE OF THE PORCH.

DO YOU UNDERSTAND? YEAH, I THINK IT'S JUST DRAWN WRONG.

I MEAN THERE NEEDS TO BE A WELL THERE'S SEPARATE IT'S DRAWN TWO SEPARATE WAYS ACTUALLY ON THE ELEVATIONS TWO ON THE FRONT THERE'S SORT OF A LINTEL ABOVE THE FULL LOUVERS AND THEN ON THE SIDES IT'S SHOWN GOING UP ALL THE WAY TO THE BOTTOM OF BRICK.

THE FRONT IS CORRECT SO DIFFERENT FROM THE FRONT. YEAH THE FRONT IS CORRECT.

THE I THINK THE DETAIL NEEDS TO BE CHANGED ON THE SIDE YOU KNOW SO I THINK I'D RATHER NOT TAKE IT AWAY. I FEEL LIKE THEY BOTH ARE LOOKING FOR SOMETHING INSTEAD OF OUT OF THAT RUN THAT WHOLE LINE SO JUST TO MAKE IT ANOTHER CORRECTION AND I THINK WE CAN MAKE VERY SIMPLY IS TO GET THAT AND WITH THAT TOP SO YOU HAVE A PIECE OF THAT MONOLITHIC OVER THE TOP OF THE SIDE THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE INCLUDED IN THE MOTION.

IT'S AND THE I HAD ONE OTHER COMMENT ON THE THE BRACKETED ROOF PORTION OVER THE DINING AREA BUMPED OUT I KNOW WE TALKED ABOUT IT A LITTLE BIT AT THE PRC REVIEW IT APPEARS IF LOOK AT THE ROOF PLAN OVER THAT AREA AND I'LL WAIT FOR TO FINISH IT LOOKS LIKE A REALLY OVERHANG WHICH IS GETTING CAUGHT PARTIALLY BY THAT WHICH IS AT THE WINDOWS OF THE DINING ITSELF BUT IT'S NOT GETTING CAUGHT ON EITHER SIDE OF IT SO I'M CONCERNED THAT OVERHANG IS GOING TO GET IT MIGHT HAVE THE TENDENCY TO SAG OVER TIME IT'S JUST IT'S A REALLY OVERHANG.

IT'S KIND OF HARD TO SEE IN THE ELEVATIONS BECAUSE IT'S NOT REALLY CONSISTENT ON UP ONE MORE SLIDE RIGHT HERE WE BRIEFLY TALKED ABOUT IT. YEAH, NO WE WERE WE JUST CAME OVER WITH KIND OF STUDY IT SO YOU CAN SEE THE YEAH YOU CAN SEE ON THAT RIGHT SIDE IT'S SUPPORTED BY THE BRACKET BUT IF YOU SCROLL OVER TO THE REAR ELEVATION OR EXCUSE ME THE LEFT ELEVATION YOU CAN SEE THAT BRACKET AND BEAM ABOVE THE BRACKET ONLY EXTENDS BASICALLY AT THE BRACKET TO THE LEFT SIDE IT EXTENDS ALL THE WAY OVER TO THE RIGHT SIDE BUT DOESN'T EXTEND TO THE LEFT SIDE. SO TO THE LEFT THERE'S WINDOWS THAT'S GOT TO BE A REALLY LARGE OVERHANG THAT'S NOT REALLY SUPPORTED BY ANYTHING I THINK. ARE YOU ABOUT LIGHT UP THERE'S AN INSET ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THAT WINDOW. ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT WHERE THAT IS. IT'S OR THE OTHER SIDE. YEAH THAT'S JUST NOT CONSISTENT AND THIS IS BACK FURTHER THAN THAT. YEAH.

SO WHAT YOU MIGHT CONSIDER BEING SHOOTING ISN'T HELPING FOR THE 3D.

YEAH IT AND FORTH WHENEVER I HELP WITH THAT. WELL NO BECAUSE IT'S CENTERED WITHIN THAT ROOM I'M JUST TRYING TO THINK IF THERE'S A DIFFERENT WAY TO DO THE ROOF OVER THAT IT'S TOO COMPLICATED BECAUSE YOU SEE IF YOU'RE THE ROOF PLAN OVERHANGS TWO FEET AROUND MOST BESIDES THAT THERE'S A REALLY LARGE OVERHANG HERE THAT'S CAUGHT ESSENTIALLY ONLY RIGHT HERE. SO THIS IS GOING TOWARD IT'S PROBABLY GOING TO LIKELY OVER TIME THERE'S PROBABLY JUST A DIFFERENT WAY TO KIND OF THINK ABOUT THAT ROOF.

CAN I TALK TO THE THE THE ENGINEER CAN YOU KNOW PROPOSE SOMETHING WITH HIM TO YOU KNOW SEE IF THERE'S ANYTHING THAT WE CAN ADD TO IT TO ADD A LITTLE BIT MORE STRENGTH THAT YEAH I WOULD JUST SUGGEST YOU TALK TO YOUR TO YOUR ARCHITECT ENGINEER I MEAN A TRUST STAFF I THINK IT'S SOMETHING WHERE I JUST PUT IT IN MOTION AND TRUST STAFF TO REVIEW IT WHEN IT COMES BACK I THINK THAT THE THE THE PART THAT WE WERE HAVING A LITTLE TROUBLE ON ON THAT IS TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW THAT ROOFLINE WOULD LOOK ESTHETICALLY LOOK GOOD RIGHT WITH THE BUMP OUT AND THE WAY THAT THOSE WINDOWS ARE OFFSET A LITTLE BIT. AND THEN WE ALSO HAD TO CONTEND WITH SOME OF THE SPACE THAT WAS UP ABOVE IT. SO I THINK THAT FROM THIS

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STATIC POINT OF VIEW IT LOOKS NICE TO BE ONE CONSISTENT ROOF LINE.

I THINK I THINK THERE'S A WAY WHERE I COULD PUSH TO THE ENGINEERS.

I HEY YOU KNOW, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE ADDRESSING YOU KNOW I DON'T KNOW THERE'S GOING TO BE MORE STRAPPING I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE ME YOU KNOW, BRING FURTHER IN YOU KNOW, LIKE EXTEND THE RAFTER FURTHER INSIDE. I DON'T I DON'T KNOW HOW IT'S GOING TO WORK BUT I CAN HAVE THEM WORK ON THAT THAT DETAIL CAN I THINK GO INTO THE THE ENGINEER HERE IS MY NEXT STEP IF WE GET APPROVED TODAY I'M GOING TO GO WITH THE ENGINEERING SIDE OF GOING TO THE ENGINEER HAVING EVERYTHING DONE AND THEN NOT YOU KNOW, HAVING TO GO BACK TO THE ENGINEER TO HAVE HAD THINGS REVISED.

SO I THINK THE NEXT STEP WOULD BE THAT SO I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I CAN PASS ON TO STAFF. I GUESS IN THE MOTION WE HAVE TO PUT SOMETHING THAT IF THAT IS CHANGE THAT IT'S GOING TO BE ALLOWED BY STAFF TO APPROVE IT. CORRECT.

IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE EVEN WOULD I MEAN IS THAT MORE CONDITIONAL? IS THAT MORE STRUCTURAL RATHER THAN HPC? I THINK IN AN HOUR WE'LL HAVE PURVIEW OVER THAT. YEAH I MEAN THAT'S ARCHITECTURAL.

YEAH I MEAN SO IT'S REALLY YEAH I DON'T KNOW WHY THAT WOULD BE A CONDITION FOR US I MEAN IT'S A GOOD OBSERVATION SO I DON'T THINK YEAH SO I GUESS MAYBE IT DOESN'T EVEN YOU NEED TO BE AWARE OF IT AS FAR AS CONSTRUCTION GO I THINK A LOT OF IT IS IT GOING TO CHANGE THE APPEARANCE? NOT SIGNIFICANTLY BUT WE'RE WANTING TO MAKE SURE IT'S ACCOUNTED FOR AND IT'S NOT JUST LEFT FLAPPING IN THE WIND BUT WE TRUST AFTER YOU WERE THERE FOR A REVIEW THAT YOU THAT GOOD AND THAT ALLOWING YOU THE APPROVAL COULD IT THIS WOULD ALLOW FOR IT TO BE THAT WAY IF STAFF FINDS WHEN IT'S IF IF THE APPEARANCE CHANGES AND IS SUBMITTED TO STAFF IF STAFF FINDS THAT IT IS A SUBSTANTIAL CHANGE RATHER THAN YOU KNOW SHORTENING IT BY A FOOT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT BECAUSE IT'S ON THE REAR AND SIDE ELEVATION THE WAY THAT I'VE PHRASED IT ON THERE I FEEL IS WOULD LET STAFF REVIEW THAT SMALL CORNER INDEPENDENTLY OF THE HPC IF THAT SENSE THAT THAT COULD BE YEAH OKAY GOOD THAT MAKES SENSE GOOD ENOUGH MR. CHAIRMAN. I MAY JUST TO FOR THE RECORD IS THE STRUCTURAL COMPONENTS OF THE STRUCTURAL INTEGRITY OF THE BUILDING OR ANY PORTION OF IT NOT REALLY WITHIN THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION'S PURVIEW BECAUSE IT'S MOSTLY DESIGN STANDARDS BUT THINK AS COMMISSIONER GOODWIN APPROPRIATELY OUT THAT IS AN ISSUE THAT PROBABLY NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED AND COULD IMPACT THE DESIGN STANDARDS.

SO BY INCLUDING IT IN THIS MOTION YOU'RE GIVING STAFF THE DISCRETION TO APPROVE WHATEVER MODIFICATIONS TO THE DESIGN THE DESIGN OF THE STRUCTURE ARE NEEDED TO ADDRESS THE POTENTIAL STRUCTURAL ISSUE. OKAY I THINK IT WAS IT WAS PROBABLY I'LL TALK ABOUT REVIEW AND WHAT'S NECESSARY TO HAVE TO AVOID THE APPLICANT HAVING TO GO BACK.

YEAH WE'RE JUST ACTUALLY MAKING SURE THAT ANYTHING CHANGE GOES BUT PRETTY GOOD.

ANY OTHER FURTHER DISCUSSION ANYONE LOOKING IN? OH NO NO.

THEREFORE I'M LOOKING FOR A PLEASE I MOVE TO APPROVE THE APPLICATION FOR COPPER DASH OH THREE DASH 2301 7752 IS PRESENTED PER STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS 137 AND REVISE THE LOUVERED PANEL DETAIL ON THE SIDE ELEVATIONS TO MATCH THE FRONT WITH THE METAL SLAB AND TO THE ABOVE THE PANEL AND IF WHEN STRUCTURALLY CONSIDERED APPEARANCE IS MODIFIED AT THE REAR LEFT CORNER NEAR THE BAY WINDOW THE MODIFICATION MAY BE REVIEWED AT A STAFF LEVEL FOR CONSIDERATION. THANK YOU. I'M LOOKING FOR A SECOND LOOK.

HAVE A SECOND. IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ? NO, THERE IS FURTHER DISCUSSION OF WHO WAS ASKING WHO SAID OH OKAY SECOND OKAY I'M LOOKING FOR A VOTE ALL IN FAVOR I THINK ANY OPPOSED MOTION PASSED AS SPOKEN.

[X.3. Certificate of Appropriateness: A request by Joseph DePauw, AIA, on behalf of the owner Marti Golson of Caramar Rentals & Investments LLC, to allow the renovation and repair of the approximately 690 SF Contributing Resource, known as the Walker House, including the removal of the 250 SF attached carport and the addition of 53 square feet to the south elevation located at 99 Pritchard Street, in the Old Town Bluffton Historic District and zoned Neighborhood Conservation-HD. (COFA-04-23-017906) (Staff - Katie Peterson)]

THANK YOU. SO NOW WE'RE ON TO NUMBER TWO AND SHE'S ON HER SECOND AND WE HAVE ANOTHER PRITCHARD STREET PROPERTY AND WHO'S THAT APPLICANT HERE? YES, I THINK YOU SEE THEM BEHIND ME. I SAW THEM BEHIND ME SO.

MY FACE STUCK OUT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

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IF THE SECOND APPLICATION I HAVE BEFORE YOU TONIGHT IS FOR 99 PRITCHARD STREET SO THIS THE APPLICANT JOE DEPAUL ON BEHALF OF THE OWNER MARTY GOLDSON OF CAMERA KARAM'S SPAR RENTALS AND INVESTMENTS LLC REQUEST THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION APPROVED THE FOLLOWING APPLICATION IT'S A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO THE RENOVATION AND REPAIR OF THE APPROXIMATELY 690 SQUARE FOOT CONTRIBUTING RESOURCE KNOWN AS THE WALKER HOUSE INCLUDING THE REMOVAL OF THE 250 SQUARE FOOT ATTACHED CARPORT AND THE ADDITION OF 53 SQUARE FEET TO THE SOUTH ELEVATION LOCATED 99 PRICHARD STREET WHICH IS ACROSS THE STREET HERE ACROSS FROM TOWN HALL IN THE BLUFFTON HISTORIC DISTRICT, THE ZONE CONSERVATION.

THE FIRST THING THAT I WOULD LIKE TO DRAW YOUR ATTENTION IS AT CONCEPTUAL I APOLOGIZE WE THAT IT WAS NOT A CONTRIBUTING RESOURCE IT IS IN FACT A CONTRIBUTING RESOURCE THE MAP THERE'S A SCRIBNER'S ERROR ON THE MAP THAT IS THE OFFICIAL BUT IT IS BECAUSE STRUCTURES ARE ADDED AND FROM THE CONTRIBUTING RESOURCE LIST ONLY BY TOWN COUNCIL AND NO ONE ELSE IT IS SOMETHING THAT WAS NOT REMOVED BY THEM AND SO IT DOES MAINTAIN THAT.

THAT SAID ALL OF THE REVIEW THAT WE DID STILL MET THE STANDARDS THAT WE WERE PROPOSING AND STAFF HAS FOUND THAT THE SAME CONDITIONS APPLY TO THIS APPLICATION REGARDLESS OF ITS STATUS. SO I WOULD LIKE TO THINK IF JOAN IS STILL HERE SHE IS JOANIE HAYWARD DRAWING THAT TO MY ATTENTION THAT I HAD MISSED A SHEET OF THE SURVEY BECAUSE I FAILED TO LOOK AT SURVEYS AND ONLY LOOKED AT THE MAP SO I WILL NOT BE DOING THAT AGAIN.

I THAT THAT IS THE CASE AGAIN REGARDLESS OF THAT ALL OF THE WORK THAT IS BEING DONE IS SOMETHING THAT STAFF FINDS IS CONSIDERATE OF THE CRITERIA FOR BOTH AND IF YOU READ THE STAFF REPORT I AM SURE YOU ALL DID IN DETAIL OF COURSE YOU'LL FIND IT AS IF IT WAS THE STAFF REPORT IS REFLECTIVE OF THE APPROPRIATE OKAY THE APPROPRIATE BOTTOM LINE IS WE'RE GOOD. WE ARE GOOD. OKAY.

SO I WOULD LIKE TO SHOW YOU HERE THIS IS SITE PLAN. PRICHARD STREET IS HERE TO THE TOP OF THE SCREEN AND I'M SORRY BRIDGE STREET IT'S TO THE TOP OF THE SCREEN AND PRICHARD STREET IS TO THE LEFT OF THE SCREEN HERE. SO THE DRIVEWAY ACCESS THAT IS HERE IS OFF THE DIRT PORTION OF PRICHARD STREET. THIS IS BRIDGE STREET AND TOWN HALL IS RIGHT HERE AT THE 50 FOOT RIGHT OF WAY. IT'S DIRECTLY BEHIND THAT.

THIS IS THE ROOF PLAN IS CURRENTLY EXISTING AND THEN THE RENOVATION ROOF PLAN.

SO YOU CAN SEE HERE THE CARPORT PORTION OF THIS WHICH IS THE REAR SECTION HERE IDENTIFIED IN THE SURVEYS IS A LATER EDITION BEING PROPOSED FOR REMOVAL AND THEN THEY'RE INFILLING THE PORTION THAT RUNS STRAIGHT DOWN THIS HERE SO THIS PORTION ALREADY EXISTS AS BEING CLOSED AND YOU'LL SEE IT ON THE FLOOR PLANS A LITTLE BETTER AND THEN THIS DRAGS DOWN STREET ACROSS SO THERE'S A SMALL STOOP THAT'LL COME OFF THE BACK BUT IT'S LESS IS BEING ADDED THEN TAKEN AWAY ON THIS PORTION HERE. SO AGAIN THIS IS THE DOTTED OUTLINE OF , THE CARPORT THIS IS THE STOOP THAT ALREADY EXISTS TO GO INTO THE MAIN STRUCTURE AND THEN THIS IS A CLOSET AREA THAT'S THERE ALREADY THE CLOSET AREA IS REMAINING ON THE RENOVATION. THIS IS GOING TO BE AN UNHEATED SPACE.

THIS LITTLE AREA HERE THAT'S GOING TO HOUSE THE MECHANICALS FOR THE WATER HEATER, ETC. IT HAS THE DOUBLE DOOR WITH STOOP THAT'S BEING PROPOSED OFF THE REAR HERE SO THE STOOP BEING PROPOSED IS JUST BEYOND HERE. THE FRONT ELEVATION AS YOU CAN SEE HERE LEFT BASICALLY IDENTICAL TO WHAT IS CURRENTLY IN THE FIELD. THEY ARE PROPOSING A NEW WOOD FRONT DOOR, NEW WOOD SCREEN DOOR AND THEN REPAIRING AND REPLACING THE INSECT SCREENS THAT ARE EXISTING AS NECESSARY. THIS STRUCTURE HAS SEEN A LOT OF THINGS IT IS ON THE 1994 SURVEY IS WEATHERBOARD AT SOME POINT BETWEEN 2008 AND 2014 THE SIDING WAS REPLACED WITH NOT REPLACED COVERED WITH VINYL SIDING SO VINYL IS WHAT'S IN THE FIELD.

WINDOWS HAVE BEEN REPLACED. I'VE GOT SOME PICTURES LATER OF THAT.

THIS IS THE RIGHT ELEVATION. MY SCALE WHEN I DID MY CORNER DRAG HERE ISN'T PERFECT BUT I TRIED MY BEST TO GET IT TO LOOK PRETTY CLOSE TO WHAT IT IS SO YOU CAN SEE THAT THE FRONT EVERYTHING TO HERE IS NOT BEING CHANGED AT ALL THEN BACK HERE THIS IS WHERE THAT SMALL ADDITION IS IS THE DARKER GRAY AREA BEING ADDED TO THIS SPACE BECAUSE THAT'S THIS TIES IN AND THE REST IS BEING LEFT IN LINE ON THE LEFT ELEVATION AGAIN YOU CAN SEE IT WHERE WAS TYING IN IT'S BEING EXTENDED EXTENDED OUT TO ABOUT THERE THE REAR ELEVATION THE WHOLE REAR IS BEING REVISED BECAUSE THIS IS THAT CARPORT AREA AND THIS IS BEING REVISED TO THE DOUBLE DOORS, THE DOOR CASINGS ARE TO MATCH THE EXISTING AND THEN THEY'RE PROPOSING STEEL DOORS ON THE REAR ELEVATION BECAUSE THERE IS A METAL DOORS TO ENCLOSE THAT WATER HEATER AND STUFF THAT SO IT'S NOT A IT IS A PEDESTRIAN DOOR BUT IT'S NOT IT'S HER UTILITY PURPOSE.

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THIS IS THE STOOP AND BALUSTRADE DETAIL HERE SO YOU CAN SEE THEY'RE MATCHING THE EXISTING UNDERNEATH BUT THEY'RE PROPOSING THE WOOD HANDRAIL DUE TO THE HEIGHT OF THE FLOOR.

HANDRAILS ARE REQUIRED. THEY'RE CURRENTLY NOT ANY OUT THERE AND THEN THIS THE DETAILS PAGE SO AGAIN YOU CAN SEE THAT THEY'RE MATCHING IT. I DID INCLUDE THE BOUNCER TWICE BECAUSE I THOUGHT IT WAS SUPER IMPORTANT I ACTUALLY DIDN'T INTO SORRY.

AND THIS IS THE WINDOW INDOOR SCHEDULE YOU CAN SEE ALL OF THE EXTERIOR DOORS ARE WOOD EXCEPT FOR THE INSULATED STEEL. THIS ONE'S LISTED AS AN EXTERIOR DOOR BUT IT IS ACTUALLY AN INTERIOR DOOR. I LOOKED FOR A VERY LONG TIME TO TRY AND FIND THAT SO IT IS NOT AN EXTERIOR DOOR, IT'S NOT IN THE EXTERIOR SO THEY'RE GOOD ON THEIR DOORS AND IN THEIR WINDOWS SCHEDULE THEY HAVE PROPOSED A REPLACEMENT DOUBLE HUNG WINDOW FROM SIERRA PACIFIC. IT IS THE 8500 SERIES WHICH IS AN EXCELLENT REPLACEMENT THIS IS THE PICTURE OF IT. THIS WAS SENT ACTUALLY YOU CAN SEE THE PERSON WHO WORKS THE SHOWROOM TAKING THE PICTURE IN THE MIRROR THE MIRROR OF THAT WINDOW.

SO THIS IS WHAT THAT WILL LOOK LIKE FROM THE EXTERIOR CURRENTLY.

WHAT'S IN THERE? ARE THERE SIMULATED DIVIDED LIGHT BUT THEY'RE NOT A GREAT OF A SIMULATED DIVIDED LIGHT BECAUSE THEY ARE ONLY ON THE INSIDE SIDE.

SO TYPICALLY A SIMULATED DIVIDED LIGHT HAS OUTSIDE AND INSIDE PIECE AND THEN IN THE MIDDLE THERE'S A ESSENTIALLY BETWEEN THE PANES OF GLASS THIS HAS THE SPACER AND THAT'S IT.

SO THESE WERE ADDED BETWEEN 2000 I THINK I PUT IT IN THE STAFF REPORT BETWEEN 2008 AND 2000 IT WAS BETWEEN THE TWO SURVEYS SO BETWEEN 2008 AND 2014 SURVEY IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN IT'S THERE I'M IN YOUR STAFF REPORT FOR CERTAINTY. SO THOSE ARE THE DOORS THAT CORRECT OR WINDOWS THAT ARE CURRENTLY ON THERE. THIS IS THE SPACE THAT'S BEING CLOSED IN. SO THIS LITTLE CORNER HERE IS THE INTERIOR CLOSET AND THEN THIS WILL COME ACROSS AND CLOSE OFF SO. THIS IS THE SPACE WHERE THE ADDITION IS BEING PROPOSED. YOU CAN KIND OF SEE IT HERE FOR PROPOSED ADDITIONS HERE AND THEY'LL JUST CARRY THE ROOFLINE OUT THIS IS THE GARAGE AREA THAT IS OR THE CARPORT THAT IS BEING PROPOSED FOR REMOVAL AND THAT'S WHAT I'VE GOT. THIS IS THE PORCH I GUESS I DIDN'T MENTION BUT SCREENS THAT ARE BEING REPAIRED AND REPLACED THERE'S MINIMAL REPAIRS THAT WILL NEED BE MADE IN HERE BUT THEY ARE PLANNING ON REPAINTING SO THAT IT LOOKS A LITTLE NICER IN THERE AS WELL. SO AS THIS IS A APPLICATION FOR A CERTIFICATE OF PERMANENCE THE CRITERIA WHICH ARE FOUND IN SECTION 318 THREE OF OUR UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT ORDINANCE STILL APPLY I WENT THROUGH ALL OF THOSE CRITERIA IN THE STAFF REPORT AND THE HPC IS AUTHORIZED TO APPROVE THE APPLICATION SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT APPROVE THE APPLICATION SUBMITTED OR DENY THE APPLICATION IF IT FINDS THEY DO NOT MEET THE CRITERIA IN SECTION 318 OF THAT ORDINANCE STAFF REVIEWED THIS APPLICATION ALL OF THOSE CRITERIA INCLUDING THOSE FOR A CONTRIBUTING RESOURCE AND FOUND THAT THE ONLY ITEM THAT NEEDS ADDRESSING BY THE HPC SPECIFICALLY THAT THE VINYL SIDING WOULD NEED TO BE DETERMINED WHETHER IT'S APPROPRIATE OR NOT AS A SUBSTITUTE FOR THE MATERIALS LISTED IN THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT ORDINANCE. TYPICALLY IT IS NOT SOMETHING THAT IS AN APPROPRIATE MATERIAL IT IS A VINYL PLASTIC MATERIAL. THAT SAID DUE TO THE EXISTING OF THIS SITE STAFF AS STAFF WOULD RECOMMEND THAT THE HPC CONSIDER THIS AS A SUITABLE MATERIAL SINCE IT IS THE CONTINUATION OF A MATERIAL AND ADDING SOMETHING ELSE WOULD DETRACT FROM THE REST OF THE STRUCTURE DRAW GREAT ATTENTION TO THE ADDITION IT WOULD HELP ME I'M TRYING TO GET MY HEAD AROUND THAT ALSO SO WE HAVE EXISTING CONSTRUCTION OF VINYL AND WHAT THEY'RE DOING IS THEY'RE JUST GOING TO BE ADDING ADDITIONAL PIECES AND SHOW ME WHERE YOU KNOW IN OTHER WORDS, I KNOW THAT WE AN APPROVED VINYL AT ALL BUT THE REST OF THE HOUSE IS VINYL JUST BECAUSE OF THE EXISTING IT'S JUST THE WAY IT IS WE'RE NOT GOING TO CHANGE THAT SO THE AREAS THAT ARE CHANGED WILL BE THIS CORNER RIGHT HERE YOU CAN SEE THE DARK GRAY DELINEATION. OKAY ON THE LEFT ELEVATION IT'LL BE THIS AREA RIGHT HERE.

SO IT WOULD LOOK RIDICULOUS IF WE TOLD THEM THAT THEY COULD HAVE USED THAT UP TO THE HP TO DETERMINE RIDICULOUS IS OBJECTIVE I'M JUST THROWN IN MY OPINION IS THE REAR ELEVATION WOULD BE THE FULL REAR ELEVATION WOULD BE REPLACED WITH NEW VINYL TO MATCH AS CLOSELY AS POSSIBLE THE EXISTING BECAUSE THIS IS A WALL DOESN'T CURRENTLY EXIST SO IT'S NOT SOMETHING THEY WOULD THAT WOULD BE ELEVATION THAT IS GETTING THE MOST CHANGE TO IT RIGHT THERE AS LONG AS WE STRESS BECAUSE WE DON'T APPROVE VINYL ANYWHERE ELSE BUT THIS IS TO MATCH EXISTING I THINK THAT'S WHAT'S VERY, VERY IMPORTANT BECAUSE OTHERWISE YES THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF HOW THIS IS SIMILAR WOULD BE LIKE WHEN WE APPROVE A EXISTING FLOOR HEIGHT SO THAT YOU DON'T HAVE TO TAKE GIANT STEP INTO AN ADDITION.

IT'S SOMETHING SIMILAR TO THAT WHERE DUE TO THE EXISTING CONDITIONS OF THE EXISTING

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RESOURCE IT WOULD BE INAPPROPRIATE SUBSTITUTE AND I'M ASKING MY FAMOUS QUESTION WHERE IS THE LOCATION OF THE SERVICE YARD? SO THERE CURRENTLY IS AND THIS IS THE APPLICANT CAN SPEAK TO IT A LITTLE BIT MORE THERE'S CURRENTLY IT EXISTS ALREADY SO IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT'S BEING MODIFIED IT'S RIGHT HERE ADDING EACH AC HAS HAVE TO BE ADDING A COMPRESSOR YEAH SO THERE IS MY UNDERSTANDING THEY'RE JUST ADDING A LAUNDRY CLOSET AND THE EXTERIOR CLOSET FOR THE WATER OKAY SO IT'S GOING INSIDE IS THERE'S SOME THERE AND THEN THERE'S ALREADY EXISTING MECHANICALS RIGHT HERE. OKAY SO GOING WHERE THE HEAT PUMP WAS THE HBC AND THE APPLICANT CAN PROBABLY SEE IT A LITTLE BETTER THAN I CAN.

JOE IF YOU WANT TO JOIN THE CENTER SOMETHING THAT'S THAT'S OUTSIDE OKAY.

YEAH YES GO TO PAR WITH THE ARCHITECTS. WHAT CAN YOU STATE YOUR NAME AND WHAT JOE DEPAUL WITH DEPAUL ARCHITECTS I'M SORRY I DIDN'T HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.

I WAS ZONED OUT OKAY. THANK YOU. WE ARE WE ARE ADDING THE HEAT PUMP. WE WERE WE ARE PLANNING TO PROVIDE PLANTING TO DISGUISE BUT NOT BUILD A SERVICE YARD. OUR UNDERSTANDING WAS THAT THAT WAS APPROPRIATE FOR THE VIDEO.

COULD YOU REFER AM I WRONG BUT I'M LOOKING IS THERE A SETBACK BECAUSE I'M LOOKING AT THE LINES LET'S SEE IT WAS ON PAGE AS 101 SO THEY'RE THERE IS NOT AN ISSUE WITH THE SETBACKS BESIDES THAT IT EXCEEDS THE MAXIMUM BUILD TO THE FRONT BUILD TOO THEY'RE NOT DOING ANYTHING ON THE FRONT ELEVATION. SO THIS IS AN EXISTING STRUCTURE IN AN EXISTING LOCATION IT WOULD NEED TO MEET THE SETBACKS IF IT WERE PROPOSED TODAY BECAUSE IT EXISTS ON THAT SIDE THEY'RE NOT ENCROACHING THE REAR OR SIDES THAT BECAUSE NEWLY CONSTRUCTED SPACE IT'S JUST THAT LITTLE CLOSET IS THIS HERE THE DASH LINE IS OVER THE SETBACK IS THE EXISTING CARPORT OKAY I SEE IT IT'S CLEARLY AN AREA I WAS JUST READING IT WRONG SO CLEAR IT OFF. THANK YOU.

IF I WERE HERE I'M GOOD. I JUST THOUGHT OF YOU AND YOU SAID YOU KNOW I WAS CURIOUS AND I HAD TO GET AN ANSWER. THANK YOU FOR ANY DISCUSSION. I THINK I THINK FINAL SITING AN APPROPRIATE USE IN BEING AND THE REASON FOR THERE WOULD BE TWO OPTIONS EITHER REPLACE ALL OF THE EXISTING SIDING WHICH WOULD BE RIDICULOUS AND RIDICULOUS OR REQUIRE THEM TO DO OR THE OTHER OPTION WOULD BE TO HAVE A DIFFERENT MATERIAL WHICH WOULD ALSO BE OKAY GOOD.

I JUST WANTED TO HAVE THAT STATED SO THAT WE THEREFORE I'M LOOKING FOR A MOTION I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE APPLICATION IS SUBMITTED AS VINYL SIDING IS AN APPROPRIATE MATERIAL ON THE ADDITION TO THE EXISTING CONDITIONS OF THE SITE ANY DISCUSSION I'M LOOKING FOR A VOTE ALL IN FAVOR I I'M VERY OPPOSED NO BID PASSES AS MOTION STATED.

[X.4. Certificate of Appropriateness: A request by James O. McGhee, Architects, P.C., on behalf of owner, the Board of Trustees of the Campbell Chapel A.M.E. Church, to demolish the nonhistoric, non-contributing portion of approximately 2,307 SF, to allow the construction of a 1- story free-standing addition of approximately 608 SF, and to renovate the historic 1,780 SF Contributing Resource known as Campbell Chapel A.M.E. (Tax Parcel R610-039-00A-0080- 0000) located at 23 Boundary Street, in the Old Town Bluffton Historic District and zoned Neighborhood Center-HD. (COFA-04-23-0107894) (Staff - Glen Umberger)]

THANK YOU PERFECT THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU.

ALL RIGHT. I'M JUST LIKE WE'RE YOU'RE DONE .

I BELIEVE LIKE WE HAVE GLEN IS UP NOW SO GOOD EVENING EVERYBODY.

SO THIS IS A REQUEST BY THE APPLICANT THE REVEREND DR. JOHN R BLOCK R BLACK WITH JAMES MCGEE ARCHITECTS AND WE HAVE THE OWNER THE TRUSTEES OF THE CAMPBELL CHAPEL AME CHURCH.

THEY'RE MAKING A REQUEST OF YOU ALL TO APPROVE A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO ALLOW ONE THE DEMOLITION OF THE NON HISTORIC NON CONTRIBUTING PORTION OF THE APPROXIMATELY 2300 SQUARE FEET THE CONSTRUCTION OF A ONE STOREY FREESTANDING ADDITION OF APPROXIMATELY 600 SQUARE FEET AND THE RENOVATION OF THE HISTORIC 1700 PLUS SQUARE FOOT CONTRIBUTING RESOURCE IDENTIFIED AS THE CAMPBELL AMY LOOK AT THAT NUMBER 23 BOUNDARY STREET IN THE OLD TOWN BLUFFTON DISTRICT END ZONE NEIGHBORHOOD CENTER HD FOR YOUR REFERENCE SO LOCATION AND ZONING MAPS ARE HERE FOR YOU TO PREVIEW ALSO AS A NOTE THIS COVE IS ALSO BEING APPLIED CONCURRENTLY WITH A TOWN OF BLUFFTON HISTORIC GRANT ONCE THAT GRANT APPLICATION ONCE THE CAN HAS BEEN APPROVED THE GRANT BE APPROVED BASED ON THE COFA AND ANY REQUIREMENTS OF THE GRANT WILL BE REQUIRED. SO THERE ARE PEOPLE APPLYING FOR ONE OF OUR PRESERVATION GRANTS FOR THIS FOR PART OF THIS PROJECT WE REACHED OUT TO THE LOCAL PRESERVATION GROUP

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SINCE THIS IS ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT HISTORIC RESOURCES WE HAVE IN TOWN TO GIVE US FEEDBACK HISTORIC BLUFFTON FOUNDATION WHICH COULD NOT BE HERE TONIGHT SENT A LETTER WHICH I SENT TO BY EMAIL THE OTHER DAY THAT DATED JUNE 3RD. THEY EXPRESSED THEIR FULL SUPPORT. HOWEVER WE WOULD LIKE TO EXPRESS CONCERNS REGARDING THE PROPOSED USE OF A SHAKE ROUTE FOR THE RESTORATION WHILE RESPECT THE ARCHITECT'S EXPERTIZE AND THEIR VISION FOR THE RESTORATION PROJECT, WE WOULD LIKE TO PROPOSE ALTERNATIVE ROOFING MATERIALS THAT MAY BE MORE IN TERMS OF MAINTENANCE AND LONGEVITY.

METAL BLUFF CONSERVANCY ALSO SENT IN AN EMAIL SAYING ARE IMPRESSED WITH THE INFORMATION AND SUGGEST THAT THEY RECONSIDER INSTALLING THE WOOD SHAKE ROOF BECAUSE OF THE CONTINUAL COST AND MAINTENANCE OF THAT ROOFING MATERIAL THAT MAY DAMPEN AND NEGATE THE BENEFITS OF HAVING IT. WE LOOK TO SEEING THE COMPLETED PROJECT GIVE YOU SOME FEEDBACK OR SOME REFERENCE POINTS HISTORIC PHOTOGRAPH OF THE CAMPBELL CHAPEL FROM APRIL 22 AND IN CURRENT CONDITIONS OF YESTERDAY MORNING THIS IS A FRONT FACADE AGAIN ANOTHER PERSPECTIVE OF THE BUILDING AND A SITE PLAN. NOTE THAT WE ARE ONLY LOOKING AT ARCHITECTURE TONIGHT. YOU'RE NOT LOOKING AT A LANDSCAPE.

YOU'RE NOT LOOKING AT A DEVELOPMENT PLAN. YOU'RE NOT LOOKING AT A PARKING PLAN. YOU'RE NOT LOOKING AT ANYTHING ELSE.

JUST WHATEVER IS INCLUDED IN THE RED BOX WHICH IS ACTUALLY THE BUILDING.

THE FIRST PART OF THIS APPLICATION FOR THE DEMOLITION OF THE NON HISTORIC NON CONTRIBUTING PORTION OF THE BUILDING I'VE HIGHLIGHTED HERE IN RED I'M GOING TO SHOW YOU SEVERAL VIEWS AS WE WALK AROUND THE BUILDING THIS IS FROM THE FRONT THIS IS FROM THE NORTHERN SIDE AT THE REAR THIS IS ACTUALLY LOOKING AT THE REAR LOOKING ON THE PROPERTY AND THEN THIS IS THE OTHER PERSPECTIVE LOOKING TOWARDS THE NORTHWEST AND THEN BACK TO THE FRONT AGAIN. THAT AREA IN THE RED IS ACTUALLY THE PORTION THAT'S BEING PROPOSED TO BE REMOVED THIS ADDITION DATES TO THE 1960S.

THE SECOND PART OF THE PROJECT IS FOR THE REAR ADDITION SO I'M GIVING YOU SOME PERSPECTIVE OF WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED AT THE BOTTOM. YOU HAVE ON THE LEFT PROPOSED REAR AND THEN ON THE RIGHT YOU HAVE A PROPOSED FRONT AND I'M GIVING YOU SOME PHOTOS OF CURRENT JUST TO GIVE YOU SOME REFERENCE POINTS. THE PROPOSED SIDE ELEVATIONS ON THE TOP YOU SEE TO THE LEFT THE HISTORIC STRUCTURE AND IT'S PROPOSED RESTORED FORM AND TO THE LEFT YOU'LL SEE THE ADDITION THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE BACK AGAIN THAT'S ABOUT 608 SQUARE FEET AND THEY GIVE YOU THE TWO PERSPECTIVES BOTH FROM THE TWO SIDE ELEVATIONS THAT'S 608 SQUARE FOOT ADDITION. HERE'S THE FLOOR PLAN BASICALLY GOING TO OCCUPY RESTROOM FACILITIES FOR THE PUBLIC. IT'S THE STORAGE SPACE AND IT SITS BEHIND BUILDING THE HISTORIC BUILDING ATTACHED BY A GLASS ATRIUM HYPHEN SIDE ELEVATION OF THE PROPOSED CONSTRUCTION AGAIN TO YOUR LEFT WILL BE THE HISTORIC THAT CENTERPIECE THE RECTANGLE IS THE GLASS STRUCTURE AND THEN THE PIECE COMING OUT THE BACK IS THE NEW RESTROOM FACILITY. SOME MORE DETAILS ON WHAT THAT CONSTRUCTION LOOK LIKE AND IN THIS PERSPECTIVE IS IF YOU WERE LOOKING STANDING IN THE PRESENT DAY IN THAT PICTURE LOOKING BACK AT THE HISTORIC BUILDING YOU'RE LOOKING THROUGH AND SEEING THE NEW CONSTRUCTION, THE BACK ON THE THIRD PIECE OF THE PUZZLE IS ACTUALLY GOING TO BE THE RESTORATION OF THE HISTORIC CAMPBELL CHAPEL. THESE ARE SOME VIEWS OF WHAT THAT PROPOSED WOULD LOOK LIKE.