May 25, 2023 Zoning Board of Appeals

CLOSED

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[1. CALL TO ORDER]

UM, WELCOME TO OUR ZONING BOARDS UP FIELD MEETING, WHICH IS A MEETING THAT WE, UH, WE MEET HERE EVERY MONTH ON THE THIRD, FOURTH THURSDAY OF EVERY MONTH.

UM, IS THE COUNTY READY, ROB? YOU GUYS READY? AUDIO, VIDEO.

ARE YOU GUYS READY? JUST A MOMENT.

IT IS OUR CUSTOM THAT WE BEGIN OUR MEETING BY RECITING THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.

IF I COULD ASK YOU HIGHEST TO STAND? FACE THE FLAG.

JUST RECITE OUR PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS.

ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY, INJUSTICE FOR ROBERT RE.

[3. FOIA – PUBLIC NOTIFICATION OF THIS MEETING HAS BEENPUBLISHED, POSTED, AND DISTRIBUTED IN COMPLIANCE WITH THESOUTH CAROLINA FREEDOM OF INFORMATION ACT]

WITH OUR NOTIFICATIONS? UH, YES.

THANK YOU.

ADOPTION OF

[4. ADOPTION OF AGENDA]

HAVE EVERYONE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK OVER THE AGENDA, MAKE AN ADOPTION, MOVE WE ADOPT.

SECOND.

IT'S BEEN PROPERLY MADE THAT WE ADOPT THE AGENDA.

AND SECOND, ALL IN FAVOR AGENDA HAVE BEEN ADOPTED.

OUR PROOF OF LAW.

[5. APPROVAL OF MINUTES – April 27, 2023]

HAVE EVERYONE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW THOSE MEETINGS? I MEAN, THOSE MINUTES.

NOTE THAT I WAS ABSENT AT THAT.

SO WE STILL HAVE A, WE GOT A, WE HAVE A QUO TO ADOPT THOSE.

SO I GUESS SOMEONE WANTED TO GO AHEAD IF WE HAVE ANY, I DON'T KNOW IF WE ADOPT THE MINUTES OF THE LAST MEETING.

ALL RIGHT.

SECOND.

IT'S BEEN PROPERLY MADE A SECOND.

ALL IN FAVOR OF ADOPTING THE APRIL MINUTES.

UH, ITEM NUMBER SIX, BEFORE WE GET STARTED, WE HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT.

NOTE THAT YOU HAVE UP TO THREE MINUTES FOR YOUR PUBLIC COMMENT WHEN WE OPEN THE FLOOR FOR THE PUBLIC COMMENT.

IF SOMEONE IN THE FRONT OF YOU PRETTY MUCH SAY WHAT YOU WANTED TO SAY JUST SAID, I AGREE WITH THE INDIVIDUAL THAT JUST WENT THROUGH.

JUST FOR THE SAKE OF TIME, OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE A NUMBER OF PUBLIC COMMENT HERE TONIGHT.

SO, UH, WE ARE GONNA GO AHEAD AND

[6. Lisa Coakley is requesting a Special Use Permit for a Lodging, Short- Term Rental Unit. The property is located at 562 Joe Frazier Road, Beaufort. The property is zoned T2-Rural (T2R).]

YES.

YOU CAN COME FORTH AND STATE WHY YOU'RE HERE.

I'M HERE IN SUPPORT OF THE APPLICATION FOR SHORT TERM RENTAL AT 5 62 FRASER ROOM.

YOU SAID YOU ARE IN SUPPORT? I'M APPLYING FOR IT.

OH, OKAY.

I'M THE ACTUAL APPLICANT.

QUESTION.

YOU'VE MET ALL OF THE, DO YOU HAVE YOUR CHECK OFF LIST FOR EVERYTHING THAT'S NEEDED ON THIS? I BELIEVE YES.

I WAS LOOKING AT YOUR PLAT AND JUST OUTTA CURIOSITY, I NOTICED THAT THERE LOOK LIKE IT'S SUBDIVIDED.

ARE YOU, ARE THOSE TWO, THREE PROPERTIES WHAT YOU OWN THERE? JUST, UH, OR JUST TWO? IT'S TWO LOTS.

LOT C AND LOT D I ORIGINALLY OWNED LOT B AT ONE POINT IN TIME.

I HAD A FAMILY MEMBER TO ASSIST ME WITH THE, WITH THE SETUP OF THE PROPERTY.

MM-HMM.

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AND THEN WE HAD SOME ISSUES AND I SWAPPED LOT B FOR LOT C AND I WAS ALSO AWARDED, UM, GIVEN LOT D BY MY BROTHER.

SO IT'S A FAMILY ARRANGEMENT AND UH, THAT'S WHAT I OWN RIGHT NOW.

LOT C AND LOT D, C AND D AND THE PROPERTY IS ON LOT C.

OKAY.

I WAS JUST LOOKING AT, IT LOOKED LIKE PART OF IT, IT WAS ON B AS WELL, BUT AT THE TIME I ORIGINALLY OWNED LOT B.

BUT YOU DON'T WANT IT NOW? NO, I, WE WERE TRYING TO, WHEN THE, WHEN THE ESTATE TOOK PLACE, WE MADE THE EFFORT

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SO I, I GAVE THE PROPERTY LOT B TO MY BROTHER BECAUSE MY PROPERTY, THE MOBILE HOME WAS ON THE WRONG LOT.

SO WE WERE TRYING TO CORRECT IT BY JUST SWAPPING THE LAND AROUND.

OKAY.

ALL RIGHT.

WELL I GUESS THAT'S A FIGHT YOU HAVE TO DO WITH SOMEBODY ELSE.

I GUESS YOU'RE NOT HERE FOR THAT.

NO.

.

ALL RIGHT.

UM, DO ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? UH, YES SIR.

I HAVE ONE.

I'M LOOKING AT YOUR, UH, YOUR FIRE SAFETY STANDARDS APPROVAL FORM.

MM-HMM.

, AND I'M JUST A LITTLE CONFUSED.

IT SAYS NOT A FIRE INSPECTION ZONE ONLY.

ONLY DID.

SO I GUESS IS EVERYTHING IN COMPLIANCE FOR, UH, FAR AS SMOKE DETECTORS? YES.

UH, EVERYTHING IS IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE SMOKE DETECTORS.

I ACTUALLY HAVE THE PROPERTY MONITORED THROUGH, UM, A HOME SECURITY COMPANY AND A PART OF THAT MONITORING SYSTEM IS, UM, THEY PROVIDE SMOKE, UM, THE RADON TESTING, UM, YOU KNOW, IN CASE IF THERE IS ANY PROBLEMS WITH THAT.

SO IT'S ALL TIED INTO ONE MONITORING SYSTEM.

OKAY.

THEN YOU GOT THE FIRE EXTINGUISHERS IN THERE TOO? YES, SIR.

OKAY.

THAT, THAT'S ALL I GOT.

THANK YOU.

ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE PPLICANT? NO.

THANK YOU.

WE'LL HEAR FROM THE COUNTY.

ALRIGHT, THANK YOU.

IS THAT IT FOR NOW? THANK YOU.

IF WE NEED YOU, WE'LL CALL YOU BACK.

OKAY.

AND OF COURSE, YOU KNOW, THIS IS A SPECIAL USE PERMIT THAT THEY'RE SEEKING, SO IT NEEDS TO BE REVIEWED BY THE, UM, REQUIREMENTS IN 7.2 0.1 30 D OF THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT CODE.

AND FROM OUR REVIEW, THIS, UM, STAFF FINDS IT COMPLIANT, YOU KNOW, FROM OUR, UH, STANDPOINT WITH THE CRITERIA FOR SPECIAL USE AND RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE, OF THE SHORT TERM RENTAL.

SO THIS IS, I'M NOT, I'M QUITE SURE THERE'S NO COVENANTS ON THIS HERE, ON THIS PROPERTY, RIGHT? YOU'RE NOT IN, YOU'RE NOT BUYING TO ANY COVENANTS WITH THIS PROPERTY, RIGHT? NO.

WELL, I SHOULD HAVE ASKED YOU THAT WHILE YOU WAS HERE.

OH, I'M SORRY.

YEAH.

YEAH.

ALRIGHT.

THANK YOU.

MM-HMM.

, ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE COUNTY? THANK YOU MR. ROW.

WE CLOSED THAT PART WE HAVE, WE'RE GONNA OPEN UP FOR OUR PUBLIC COMMENT.

UM, WE HAVE, UH, KEITH FRAZIER.

GOOD AFTERNOON.

MY NAME IS KEITH FRAZIER AND I OWN THAT PROPERTY AT 2 84 BAY PINE ROAD.

IT'S 5 58 JOE FRAZIER ROAD.

UH, MY SISTER OWNS 5 62 AND I THINK IT'S 5 64.

SHE GOT THAT DOWN.

THE REASON WHY, UH, SHE'S BEEN DOING A LOT OF THINGS BECAUSE RIGHT NOW HALF OF HER MOBILE HOME, ABOUT 30 FOOT OF HER MOBILE HOME SITS ON THE PROPERTY THAT I'M PAYING TAXES ON.

AND I DON'T OWN THE MOBILE HOME ON THAT PROPERTY.

I HAVE SENT A, A CERTIFIED LETTER ASKING HER TO CONTACT ME.

NO CONTACT.

WE VENO VENO OPPOSED TO PEOPLE COMING INTO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.

SHE'S BEEN RENT THIS PLACE OUT FOR THE LAST THREE YEARS.

SHE HAD ONE TENANT IN THERE, THEY GOT SO DRUNK.

THE FENCE WHERE SHE GOT UP IS ALL ON MY PROPERTY.

OVER 60, 70 FOOT.

THEY GOT SO DRUNK UNTIL THEY WERE THROWING HEINEKEN BOTTLES ALL IN MY BACKYARD.

WE DON'T WANT THAT IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.

SHE DOESN'T MONITOR THE POLICE.

SHE DOESN'T LIVE HERE.

SHE WOULDN'T HAVE THAT WHERE SHE LIVES.

AND DID YOU SAY YOU OWN PARCEL B? I OWN PARCEL B I HAVE THE DOCUMENTS RIGHT HERE, TAX PAPER'S, EVERYTHING.

OKAY.

I OWNED PARTIAL B.

SHE OWNED PARTIAL C ONCE.

MY SISTER, MY ORIGINAL, MY OLDEST SISTER, DARLENE ELLINGTON FRAZIER OWNED PARTIAL C WHEN SHE PUT THAT MOBILE HOME IN THERE, SHE PUT IT ON TWO PARTIALS, WHICH WERE WRONG.

SHE HAS NOT TRIED TO RECTIFY THOSE MISTAKES UP TO THIS GATE.

IGNORED ME ON EVERY ANGLE AND I'M STILL PAYING TAXES ON SOMETHING I DON'T EVEN USE.

HOW LONG HAS THAT MOBILE HOME BEEN THERE? IT'S BEEN THERE ABOUT FIVE YEARS.

FIVE YEARS.

AND YOU, WERE YOU PRESENT WHEN IT WAS MOVED THERE? I WAS PRESENT WHEN IT WAS MOVED THERE, AND, UM, I TRUSTED MY SISTER.

SHE WAS SUPPOSED TO HAVE HAD THE PLACE SURVEYED AT ALL.

OKAY.

AND THE PLACE HADN'T BEEN SURVEYED, BUT SOMEHOW OR ANOTHER, WHEN WE GO BACK IN, EVEN SOUTH KEANI ELECTRIC AND GAS, WE COULD NOT FIND THE FRONT STAKES.

I'VE HAD THAT PROPERTY SURVEYED ABOUT THREE MONTHS AGO.

ALL THE STAKES UP FRONT THAT'S SHOWING WHERE HORMONAL HOME SETS ON MY PROPERTY, THEY'RE ALL PULLED UP AND IN MY BACKYARD.

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I DON'T, I DON'T NEED MORE HEADACHES WHEN I GOT THE LATE DOWN THE NIGHTTIME WHEN I'M GETTING OLD.

AND I, I JUST WANNA REST.

YES, SIR.

THANK YOU, SIR.

WELCOME.

UM, MS. GREEN HALL? YES.

HELLO.

GOOD AFTERNOON.

MY NAME IS BIANCA GREEN HALL.

I LIVE AT 34 GREEN FAMILY DRIVE, AND I'M RELATED TO FRAZIER'S TO LISA COLEY AND HER SIBLINGS.

ONLY THING I HAVE TO SAY IS, THIS IS ONE BIG CIVIL RIVALRY IN A SIBLING RIVALRY.

UH, MS. COLEY, UH, PUT HER, PUT HER MOBILE HOMEWORK A COUPLE YEARS AGO.

KEITH HELPED HER SET IT UP.

HE TOOK CARE OF THE ZONING AND EVERYTHING.

THEN WHEN SHE GOT SITUATED, HE SAID SOMETHING TOLD HER THAT, UH, OH, YOU GOT SOME ONE OF YOUR MO HOME, YOU GOT SOME OF THAT ON MY PROPERTY.

YOU GOTTA PAY ME $25,000.

YOU KNOW, SO IT IS, IT IS JUST, IT'S JUST A BUNCH OF BICKERING BACK AND FORTH.

YOU KNOW, MISS COCHLEAR IS TRYING TO DO IS, UH, SHE WANTS TO HAVE A PLACE TO LIVE AT WHEN SHE COMES HOME.

MEANWHILE, SHE, SHE WOULD LIKE TO DO SHORT TERM, UH, RENTAL.

AND IT, IT SEEMED LIKE, UH, AND KEITH LIVES BUMPED UP AGAINST HER, BUT ALL HE WANTS TO DO IS CAUSE CONFUSION AND RUN OFF, RUN OFF A TOURIST OR, OR PEOPLE THAT ARE LIVING IN HER HOME.

SHE HAD, SHE HAS A VERY BEAUTIFUL PROPERTY, BEAUTIFUL KEY.

HIS PROPERTY IS A, HE A DON, YOU KNOW, AND I SAY CIVIL ROBBERY BECAUSE MISS COLEY MOVED FROM SOUTH CAROLINA AFTER SHE GRADUATED FROM HIGH SCHOOL, WENT TO COLLEGE AND STUFF.

SHE LIVES IN MARYLAND NOW.

AND SHE LOVE, SHE DID, SHE DID GOOD FOR HERSELF.

AND SHE, SHE'S REALLY MADE SOMETHING FOR HERSELF.

HER BROTHER KEITH HASN'T DONE ANYTHING FOR HERSELF, AND ALL HE DOES IS CAUSED CONFUSION.

I JUST WANNA REMIND YOU, YOU ONLY HAVE THREE MINUTES NOW.

OKAY.

YEAH.

BUT THAT IT, IT IS ALL ABOUT A BUNCH OF SIBLING RIVALRY.

AND IF MISS, IF MS. COPELAND'S PROPERTY IS ANYWHERE ON HIS PROPERTY, ANY OF IT IS ON HIS PROPERTY, HE PUT IT THERE.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU.

IN A KNOW, I JUST HAVE ONE QUESTION FOR MR. KEITH.

YES, SIR.

I THINK WHEN MS. COLEY CAME UP HERE AND SHE SAID SHE HAD A FAMILY MEMBER TO HELP HER TO, YOU KNOW, ASSIST THE, YEAH.

OKAY.

WERE YOU THAT INDIVIDUAL? I, I WAS PART OF THAT, THAT PROCESS.

FIRST OF ALL, SHE PUT THE MOBILE HORN ON THE, ON THE ROUND PROPERTY.

EITHER WAY YOU GO.

SHE MESSED UP.

OKAY.

SHE PUT IT ON PARTIAL C.

OKAY.

THAT WAS MY, MY OLDEST SISTER PROPERTY.

ALL RIGHT.

AND THEN SHE PUT THE OTHER HALF ON PARTIAL B.

THANK YOU.

I JUST WANTED TO KNOW IF YOU WAS A PART OF THAT SETTING UP PROCESS.

YOU KNOW, I'M JUST, I'M JUST SAYING, BUT HERE IT IS.

THE MOBILE HOME COMPANY MOVED THAT MOBILE HOME, AND THEY DID NOT DO DUE DUE DILIGENCE.

WHO SURVEYED THAT PROPERTY? SHE HAS HAD THAT SURVEYED PROPERTY EIGHT TIMES WITHIN THE LAST SIX YEARS.

OKAY.

AND SHE KNOWS WHERE THAT MOBILE HOME IS.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU, SIR.

ALL RIGHT.

NOW, LISA, YOU FILLED OUT A PUBLIC COMMENT.

YOU DON'T HAVE TO DO THAT BECAUSE YOU'RE THE APPLICANT.

OKAY.

OKAY.

YEAH.

IS THERE ANYONE ELSE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT FOR THIS? UH, ITEM NUMBER SIX.

I YOU ARE? MM-HMM.

STAND.

SURE ENOUGH.

THERE IT GOES.

UNDERNEATH, YOU CAN COME FORWARD.

MY NAME IS DANETTE FRAZIER, AND I LIVE, MY LINE IS ON THAT PROPERTY LINE.

I'M JUST HERE TO SAY THAT, UM, I LIVE NEXT DOOR TO WHEN THAT PROPERTY WAS RENTED OUT, AND THROUGHOUT THE YEAR, IT GETS WILD.

UM, ONGOING PARTYING ALL NIGHT.

I WOULD LIKE TO TRY MY BEST TO KEEP MY NEIGHBORHOOD VERY CIVIL AS POSSIBLE.

UM, I REMEMBER ONE NIGHT THERE WERE UNFORTUNATELY A, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF MARINES, THEY HAD TRUCKS AND THEY WERE DIGGING UP ALL, WELL, IT WAS ON HER SIDE OF THE YARD, BUT THAT PARTY WENT ON TILL THREE, FOUR O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING.

AND I DON'T FEEL SAFE LIKE THAT AT ALL.

I LIVE ALONE, ALTHOUGH MY SON IS IN AND OUT.

BUT BASICALLY I'M HOME ALONE.

AND WHEN

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AND I JUST DON'T LIKE THE IDEA AND I JUST DON'T FEEL SAFE.

THANK YOU.

THAT'S WHAT I'M HERE TO SAY.

THANK YOU.

SO THANK YOU.

IS THERE ANYONE ELSE FOR THIS, UH, ITEM THAT WOULD LIKE TO HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT? WE CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT.

UM, LET ME HEAR, HEAR FROM THE, OH, WE HAVE ALREADY HEARD FROM THE COMMENT.

UM, QUESTION FROM MS. COLEY.

YEAH, I THINK I DO TOO.

MS. COLEY, COULD YOU PLEASE COME FORWARD? MS. COAKLEY, I, I'M LOOKING AT THIS PLAT THAT YOU PROVIDED, AND I I SEE ON PARCEL B, IT'S GOT THE, IT LOOKS LIKE ALL THE PARKING SPOT IS ALL THE PROPOSED PARKING ON PARCEL B? NO, IT'S GONNA BE, THE PROPERTY IS 1.1 ACRE.

OKAY.

UM, THESE TWO INDIVIDUALS THAT'S HERE TODAY, ONE'S MY FIRST COUSIN I GREW UP WITH, AND THE OTHER ONE'S MY BROTHER.

ALL OF THIS COMPLAINT THAT I'M HEARING NOW, I'VE NEVER HEARD ANY OF THIS BEFORE.

OKAY.

IT'S A VINDICTIVE MOON.

THE FORUM THAT THIS NEEDS TO BE HEARD IN IS PERHAPS CIVIL COURT, NOT THIS PARTICULAR COURT.

SO ALL OF THIS IS VERY NEW TO ME, AND I'VE NEVER HEARD, THEY HAVE NO POLICE REPORTS, NOTHING TO, YOU KNOW, CORROBORATE WHAT THEY'RE SAYING.

IT'S JUST ONLY A VINDICTIVE MOVE BECAUSE THIS IS WHO THEY ARE.

I, I JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR.

SO, UM, WHEN I, I'M LOOKING AT THIS MM-HMM.

AND IT, AND IT POINTS TO PARKING AREAS 1, 2 34.

THOSE ARE ALL ON PARCEL B, IS THAT CORRECT? AS PART OF THE APPLICATION? THE PROPERTY IS SO HUGE, YOU CAN PARK ON THE GRASS.

MY BROTHER KEITH, I WASN'T EVEN HERE WHEN THIS PROPERTY WAS LAID OUT.

KEITH WORKED WITH ALL OF THE COUNTY REPRESENTATIVES TO PLACE THIS PROPERTY WHERE IT IS.

HE WAS THE ONE WHO DID THE ACTUAL, UM, HE WAS LIKE THE GENERAL CONTRACTOR.

I TRUSTED HIM AND THIS IS WHAT I ENDED UP WITH.

AND NOW THAT THEY THINK THAT THERE IS SO MUCH MONEY THAT I'VE MADE OFF OF THIS PROPERTY OR THAT I'M GOING TO MAKE, THEY'RE LOOKING AT THAT SIDE OF THE PICTURE ONLY.

I'VE SPENT AN ENORMOUS AMOUNT OF MONEY.

I WOULD PROBABLY GUESSTIMATE AFTER I SAT DOWN, IT'S OVER $225,000.

THAT'S NOT A LITTLE BIT OF MONEY.

THAT PROPERTY WAS JUST A BIG, UH, WOODED AREA FOR THE LAST 30 PLUS YEARS FROM 1988 UNTIL WHEN I GOT IT AND TOOK IT AND TURNED IT AROUND IN 2015 AFTER MY MOTHER PASSED.

IT'S BEEN THIS ROCKING THEME, LAND FIGHTING OVER LAND.

I HAVE MORE THAN I CAN EVER NEED AND WANT IN TERMS OF REAL ESTATE.

THAT'S WHAT I DO FOR, AND I DON'T WANT TO COME HERE AND UPSET PEOPLE NEXT DOOR.

MY FAMILY, THIS IS JUST, I'VE BEEN REALLY CIVIL ABOUT THIS WHOLE THING THROUGH THE WHOLE PROCESS AND BEEN PRAYING THAT IT WOULD JUST GO AWAY AND IT'S NOT GONNA GO AWAY.

AND THAT'S WHY THEY'RE HERE.

THEY'RE NOT HERE.

ALL THIS STUFF THAT THEY'RE SAYING IS COMPLETE LIES.

COMPLETE LIES.

OKAY.

UM, I GUESS THE MAIN REASON WHY HE ASKED THAT QUESTION MM-HMM.

, BECAUSE IF YOU HAVE, IF YOU SAID THAT YOU DO NOT OWN PARCEL B IN ALL OF YOUR PARKING IS ON POSSIBLE B, THEN THAT WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE PARKING ON SOMEONE ELSE'S PROPERTY.

CAN I EXPLAIN THAT FOR JUST A SECOND? IF I CAN? IF YOU WILL GIVE ME A MINUTE TO COME BACK TO THAT.

WHEN WE ORIGINALLY, KEITH WAS THE ONE WHO MADE THE DECISION TO PUT THE MOBILE HOME ON LOT C AT THAT TIME, THE PERMIT WAS APPROVED FOR LOT B, HE DIDN'T KNOW WHAT HE WAS DOING.

AND INSTEAD, EVEN WHEN I OFFERED SAID, LET ME CALL THE SURVEYOR AND GET THEM TO COME OUT AND POINT TO YOU, POINT YOU IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION.

OH NO, I WORKED FOR BUFORD COUNTY ALL THESE YEARS.

I KNOW WHAT I'M DOING.

AND I ALLOWED HIM TO DO THAT.

AND THEN HE TURNED AROUND, HE MADE A MESS OUT OF IT.

AND AFTER WE FIGURED OUT THAT IT WAS A MESS THAT WAS MADE OUT OF IT, WE TRIED TO CORRECT IT.

SO WE STARTED DEEDING.

HE IDED B TO HIM SINCE HIS MOBILE HOME WAS RIGHT NEXT TO LOT B.

MY SISTER WHO OWNED LOT C AT THE TIME, SAID, OKAY, YOU TAKE C

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I'M NOT GONNA USE THAT PROPERTY.

MY OTHER BROTHER WHO LIVES IN MARYLAND SAID THE SAME THING.

I'M NOT COMING BACK.

SO I'LL GIVE YOU, YOU CAN HAVE THE TWO LOTS NEXT TO YOU, LOT C AND LOT D AND LET HIM HAVE LOT A AND B.

THAT'S THE WAY WE THOUGHT WE WERE RESOLVING IT.

MM-HMM.

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AND THEN EVERY TIME THAT I TURN AROUND, KEITH IS ONE OF THE MOST VINDICTIVE PERSONS THAT I'VE KNOWN IN MY LIFE.

HE'S MEAN SPIRITED.

MR. KEITH.

HE GETS, OKAY, COULD YOU BE QUIET, SIR? SO MY THING IS, IS THAT I TECHNICALLY AM THE VICTIM OF THIS SITUATION ALL THE WAY AROUND.

MM-HMM.

AND I HAVEN'T DONE ANYTHING OTHER THAN TRY TO BE CIVIL.

RIGHT.

TO KEEP THE PEACE.

RIGHT.

RIGHT.

AND EVERY TIME THAT I TURN AROUND, I'M ALWAYS BEING ATTACKED BY THEM.

ALWAYS.

ALL RIGHT.

AND, AND I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.

I UNDERSTAND THERE, OBVIOUSLY SOME, A LOT OF FAMILY'S LOT DYNAMIC IS, BUT ABSOLUTELY ALL WE CAN GO UP WHAT WE HAVE BEFORE US.

I GET IT.

I CAN CHANGE THAT.

AND, AND THE LOT, THE, THE, THE ENTRANCE WAY IS JUST COMING IN.

I CAN HAVE PEOPLE PARK ON THE OTHER SIDE, WHICH IS STRICTLY GONNA BE ON LOT C I CAN'T TAKE UP CONCRETE RIGHT NOW.

I'M NOT IN A POSITION TO DO THAT.

SO WE HAVE TO HAVE A DRIVEWAY, AND THAT DRIVEWAY WILL BRING PEOPLE IN AND THEN THEY CAN PARK IN, IN OTHER AREAS.

THEY DON'T HAVE TO PARK ON ON THAT LOT.

BUT THAT DRIVEWAY'S ON HIS PROPERTY, IS THAT CORRECT? IT WAS ON, IT WAS MY PROPERTY AT THE TIME WHEN WE DID THIS, BUT YES, TECHNICALLY IT IS RIGHT NOW.

MM-HMM.

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WHAT IF HE PUT A BARRICADE UP AND STOPPED THE GUESTS FROM COMING IN? DO YOU HAVE A RE HE CAN'T, HE CAN'T, HE CAN'T PUT A BARRICADE UP.

OKAY.

BECAUSE I CONSULTED WITH ATTORNEYS AND I TALKED TO THEM, AND THEY SAID THAT UNTIL HE GOES TO CIVIL COURT AND GET A COURT ORDER, HE CANNOT BLOCK THE ENTRANCE, THE INGRESS AND EGRESS.

HE CANNOT, UH, DENY ME ACCESS TO MY PROPERTY.

OKAY.

AND I'M NOT GONNA SPEND ANY MONEY GOING TO COURT WHEN HE'S GOT THE PROBLEM.

I'M HAPPY WITH WHERE THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED.

MM-HMM.

, I'M HAPPY WITH THE DRIVEWAY.

SO WHERE AM I GONNA DO, GO TO COURT AND SUE MYSELF TO SATISFY SOMEONE ELSE? YES, MA'AM.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

APPRECIATE IT.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ANY MORE QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? WELL, I, I DON'T, I MEAN, THIS IS A TOUGH ONE.

I CAN, THIS IS NOT THE AVERAGE.

I UNDERSTAND IT'S ALMOST WORSE THAN THE OTHER TWO ITEMS. BUT , IT'S HARD FOR ME TO, I MEAN, I'M, I'M BASED ON WHAT YOU HAVE HERE.

I MEAN, EVERYTHING IS PRETTY MUCH ON A PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT YOU KNOW THAT YOUR BROTHER OWNS.

BUT IF THIS IS YOU ARE THE APPLICANT AND YOU WERE COMING BEFORE US, THEN YOU KNOW, YOUR PARKING, EVERYTHING SHOULD BE IN MY EYES, ON YOUR PROPERTY.

NOW, I COULD BE WRONG.

I MEAN, MY COLLEAGUE MAY BE DIFFERENT, WAS THE PROPERTY WHEN WE DID THIS.

AND I UNDERSTAND, I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND TO YOU, I UNDERSTAND WHEN YOU DID THIS, BUT I'M LOOKING AT WHAT'S BEFORE US TODAY.

YEAH.

AND I'M NOT TRYING TO, YOU KNOW, MAKE IT WORSE FOR YOU, BUT ALL WE CAN DO IS GO ON BASICALLY ON WHAT WE HAVE PRESENTED BEFORE US AND OKAY, WELL IF THAT'S THE CASE THEN, UM, AND THEN HALF OF THE HOUSE IS ON THE OTHER PROPERTY.

SO IF YOU CAME IN HERE WITH TITLE OF PARCEL B I DON'T THINK THIS WOULD BE A QUESTION.

PARDON? YOU SAID IF YOU CAME IN HERE WITH THE TITLE FOR PARTIAL B, THEN YOU KNOW, WE WOULDN'T HAVE AN ISSUE BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, YOU WOULD SATISFY ALL OF THE, YOU KNOW, EVERYTHING THAT NEEDS TO BE SATISFIED HERE.

BUT THIS IS JUST, IT'S A TOUGH SITUATION HERE.

IT'S A MESS TO PROVE IT'S A MESS THAT WAS CREATED BY HIM.

DON'T END.

HE CREATED THE MESS AND I'M GONNA SIT BACK AND LET HIM FIX IT, FIX THE MESS.

I'M NOT GONNA TOUCH IT.

I'M GONNA CONTINUE GOING IN AND OUT OF MY PROPERTY.

AND IF HE'S UNHAPPY, THEN HE SHOULD, HE SHOULD FOOT THE BILL AND GET A LAWYER AND DO WHAT HE NEEDS TO DO.

I'M NOT GONNA DO IT.

SO THE RESIDENTS THAT WERE THERE PRIOR TO YOU, YOU COMING FORWARD, WERE THEY A LONG-TERM RESIDENCE? OR WHICH I GUESS THEY SAID THEY HAD, YOU KNOW, MARINES OR SOMETHING OUT THERE WITH LOUD.

I NEVER HEARD OF ANY OF THAT.

THAT'S SO MAN UP.

OKAY.

WELL, WHOMEVER RENTED IT, WAS IT LONG-TERM RENTAL OR JUST YOU WAS USING IT AS A NO, IT WAS JUST ME AS WELL.

IT WAS SOME FRIENDS OF MINE THAT I ALLOWED TO COME INTO THE HOME.

I'VE NEVER HEARD, I HAVEN'T SPOKEN TO DAN FRAZIER IN 20 YEARS.

OKAY.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

SHE HASN'T SAID ANYTHING TO ME OR ANYBODY ELSE.

SHE HASN'T CALLED THE POLICE.

THIS IS ALL MADE UP STUFF JUST TO BE ABLE TO BE VINDICTIVE.

MM-HMM.

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AND I'M BEING PERFECTLY HONEST ABOUT THAT.

ALL RIGHT.

WE UNDERSTAND.

THANK YOU MA'AM.

ANY MORE QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT?

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OKAY.

CERTAINLY FOR BOARD MEMBERS, BASED ON THE TESTIMONY WE'VE HEARD AND THE EVIDENCE THAT'S BEEN PRESENTED BEFORE US TONIGHT, WHICH WE HAVE A DECISION TO MAKE, WHETHER THIS APPLICANT MEETS THE CRITERIA FOR SPECIAL USE.

UH, ANYONE LIKE TO PLACE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR? DO I HAVE A DISCUSSION? I NEED TO DENY THE PERMIT BECAUSE, UH, SHE DOESN'T KNOW THE PROPERTY THAT SHE SEEKS, UH, TO USE.

THERE'S A MOTION ON THE FLOOR TO DENY THE, THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT DUE TO THE FACT THAT, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF THE PROPERTY THAT WOULD MAKE UP THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT IS, IS, IS NOT ACTUALLY IN HER NAME.

SHE DOESN'T HOLD A DEED TO IT.

SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, A MOTION ON THE FLOOR TO DENY ANYONE, UH, GET SOMEONE TO SECOND THAT MOTION, I'LL SECOND IT.

SO IT'S A MOTION ON THE FLOOR TO DENY IT.

AND IT'S BEEN PROPERLY MADE IN SECOND.

ALL IN FAVOR OF, WELL, DO YOU GUYS WANNA HAVE A DISCUSSION ON THIS? YEAH.

CAN I JUST SAY ONE THING? I'M, I'M REALLY CONFUSED ABOUT THIS.

WHEN IT'S ON SOMEONE ELSE'S PROPERTY, IS THERE ANY KIND OF EASEMENT THAT WOULD GIVE HER PERMISSION LEGALLY TO, SHE HAS AN EASEMENT ON THE PROPERTY AND ON THAT PLAT, BUT THE EASEMENT IS THE 50 FOOT ACCESS THAT'S AT THE FRONT OF THE PROPERTY.

SO NOT THE DRIVEWAY.

NOT THE DRIVEWAY.

CORRECT.

AND CERTAINLY NOT THE OVERHANG.

IT'S BEEN THERE FIVE YEARS.

IS THAT GRANT OR ANYTHING? ANY RIGHTS OR ANYTHING? THEY'D HAVE TO TALK TO A LAWYER ABOUT WHATEVER THE ELEMENTS OF ADVERSE POSSESSION.

BUT THERE'S CERTAIN YEARS OF THAT IN FIVE YEARS.

DOES IT FULFILL IT YET? OKAY.

WHAT IS IT GETTING CLOSER IF WE, IF THIS APPLICANT WAS DENIED, IS IT WHAT, ONE YEAR SHE WOULD'VE TO WAIT BEFORE SHE COME BACK IF SHE WERE TO RECTIFY THIS? UNLESS THEY THOUGHT THAT THEY WERE GONNA COME TO SOME RESOLUTION OF HER TITLE TO PARCEL B OVER THE NEXT YOU MONTH MM-HMM.

AND YEAH, THAT WAS MY ONLY DIRECTION IS STAFF IS UM, IF HILLARY ARE HERE, I HAVE, I HAVE SEVERAL QUESTIONS FOR REGARDING THIS, BUT IF THERE'S ANYTHING THAT COULD BE WORKED OUT, YOU KNOW, IS UH, DEFERRAL AN OPTION OTHER THAN THAT I DO HAVE THE CONCERN ABOUT, YOU KNOW, IF, IF THIS IS DENIED, THEN IT DOES PUT THAT EAR, YEAH.

MM-HMM.

, BECAUSE IF SHE HAD HER OWN DRIVEWAY OR OWN WAY IN IT MAY NOT BE AN ISSUE THEN.

CORRECT? YEAH.

I MEAN THERE MIGHT BE SOME WAY TO WORK OUT.

OKAY.

THE LEGAL ARRANGEMENTS OR MOVING THINGS AROUND SO THAT THEY'RE ON THE PROPERTY THAT, THAT SHE OWNS.

YES.

I'LL, THAT'S UP TO THE BOARD.

SO , MAYBE YOU CAN ASK, UH, MR. KEITH IF YOU SEE ANY WAY THAT THEY COULD RESOLVE THIS.

UM, LET ME ASK YOU A QUESTION BEFORE WE GO ANY FURTHER WITH THIS.

IT'S A COUPLE OF THINGS WE COULD DO.

WE CAN CONTINUE TO MOVE FORWARD.

NOT SHOW, I MEAN OBVIOUSLY IT'S, IT IS UP FOR A DENIAL FOR RIGHT NOW, BUT IT'S NOT COMPLETED ALL.

WE CAN DEFER THIS AND MAYBE YOU COULD GET WITH YOUR FAMILY MEMBER AND COME UP WITH SOME KIND OF RESOLUTION TO THIS.

MAYBE YOU COULD, YOU KNOW, GET SOMETHING IN WRITING STATING THAT YOU COULD, COULD USE THIS PORTION FOR PARKING.

UM, I MEAN YOU CAN COME FORWARD.

UM, OH NO, I'M TALKING TO MR. COPLEY.

IF YOU THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU KNOW YOU CAN DO WITH THE FAMILY.

THESE PEOPLE ARE SOME OF THE MOST UNREASONABLE PEOPLE THAT YOU CAN EVER DEAL WITH.

I'VE TRIED EVERYTHING IN MY POWERS.

I DON'T EVEN WANT THE PROPERTY ANYMORE CUZ I DON'T WANT TO BE NEAR THEM.

THIS, I DON'T WANNA BE IN A ZIP CODE WITH THEM IF I CAN AVOID IT.

OKAY.

OKAY.

SO WHAT I'M TRYING TO DO NOW IS JUST SIMPLY BE ABLE TO MANAGE MY BUSINESS.

ANYTHING.

THIS IS, THIS HAS BEEN GOING ON MR. MACK FOR THE LAST 60 PLUS YEARS WITHIN THIS FAMILY.

OKAY? THIS IS NOTHING NEW.

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RIGHT? AND I'M SICK OF IT.

I WILL STAY IN THAT POSITION.

I AM IN A HOLDING POSITION THAT I DON'T HAVE TO DO ANYTHING.

I DON'T HAVE TO RENT THE PLACE.

I DON'T HAVE TO MAKE A NEW DRIVEWAY.

MM-HMM.

, I WAS TOLD BY COUNSEL THAT IT'S THE BALL IS IN HIS COURT.

HE NEEDS TO GO AND HIRE A LAWYER AND BRING ME INTO COURT.

AND WHEN HE BRINGS ME INTO COURT, I'LL BRING ALL PROOF OF CHECKS THAT I PAID HIM FOR THE SERVICES.

OKAY.

AND I FINANCED A MOBILE HOME FOR HIM THAT I HAD TO BRING HIM INTO COURT TO SUE HIM TO GET MY MONEY OUT OF HIM.

YES.

SO THIS IS ALL JUST VINDICTIVE BEHAVIOR, RIGHT? THAT'S ALL THIS IS.

OKAY.

SO OBVIOUSLY YOU DON'T, IT IS NO WAY IF WE, I'M NOT, WE WERE THE DEFER THIS YOU DON'T SEE ANY RESOLUTION.

I'M NOT PAYING HIM ANOTHER DIME FOR ANYTHING.

I GOT YOU ANOTHER PENNY.

OKAY? AND I, I, I, I AM, I'M OUT TO MY, BEYOND MY HEAD, OVER MY HEAD WITH ALL OF THE SHENANIGANS THAT HE KEEPS TRYING TO, YOU KNOW, UM, EXTORT MONEY FROM PEOPLE, RIGHT? RIGHT.

THIS IS ALL IT IS.

THIS IS AN EXTORTION.

HE STARTED IT WAY BACK AND IT WAS PLANNED.

AND I, AND THEN NOW I CAN SEE HOW IT WAS ALL OKAY.

PUT TOGETHER.

THANK YOU MA'AM.

ALRIGHT, WELL, WITH THAT BEING SAID, THE BOARD MEMBERS, I'M SORRY, I DON'T KNOW IF I SEE ANY, NO, I WAS TALKING TO THE BOARD MEMBERS.

THANK YOU.

UM, SIR, I DO HAVE A QUESTION.

WELL, WE HAVE A KIND OF ALREADY CLOSED PUBLIC COMMENT.

OKAY.

YOU KNOW, I JUST WANTED TO QUESTION, OKAY.

YEAH, BUT GO AHEAD.

WHAT'S YOUR QUESTION? UM, THE QUESTION IS, IF, IF THIS LANDS GET ZONED FOR AIRBNB, I, I GUESS FOR RENTAL, SHORT TERM RENTAL.

SO IF THEY EVER SELL THEIR PROPERTY, WOULD, IS IT GRANDFATHER? NO.

OR WOULD THE PERSON WOULD HAVE TO GET SPECIAL? THEY WOULD'VE TO GET A SPECIAL USE PERMIT AGAIN.

OKAY.

YES.

THANK YOU.

UM, TOUGH TO SELL.

YEAH, NO MA'AM.

WE ALREADY CLOSED PUBLIC COMMENT.

THE PUBLIC COMMENT IS CLOSED.

UM, SO IT'S A MOTION ON THE FLOOR TO DENY.

IT'S BEEN PROBABLY MADE A SECOND.

UM, I JUST, I'M SYMPATHETIC TO THE SITUATION FOR MS. COLEY, BUT BASED ON WHAT'S BEFORE US, I MEAN, WE PRETTY MUCH DON'T HAVE A LIFE TO STAND ON TO HELP SUPPORT THIS.

BUT YOU KNOW WHAT I WAS GONNA SAY EARLIER, IT SEEMS TO ME THAT WE ALL KNOW THIS IS A FAMILY MATTER.

MM-HMM.

.

AND REALLY UNTIL THE FAMILY MATTER IS SETTLED, HOW DIFFICULT IS, IT'S DIFFICULT FOR US TO SETTLE THAT FAMILY MATTER.

YEAH.

YEAH.

SO I, I HATE TO SAY, BUT THE FAMILY TO ME HAS TO SETTLE IT BECAUSE EVEN, EVEN PLOT B UH, TO SELL IT, IT IT'S, YEAH.

YEAH.

HOW ARE YOU GONNA SELL IT TO SOMEONE WHEN SOMEONE ELSE OWNS THE RIGHT INTO YOUR RIGHT PROPERTY? YEAH.

SO THE, THERE HAS TO BE, I THINK THERE HAS TO BE SOME KIND OF FAMILY SETTLEMENT BEFORE WE CAN EVEN AGREE APPROVE IT.

AGREE.

TOTALLY AGREE.

SO, YOU KNOW, WITH THAT BEING SAID, IT'S BEEN PROPERLY MADE IN SECOND.

ALL IN FAVOR OF DENYING THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT SIGNIFY RAISE YOUR HAND.

SO THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT MS. COLEY HAS BEEN DENIED.

SO WE ARE GONNA BE MOVING ON.

IF YOU GUYS WANT TO STAY, YOU GUYS CAN STAY.

IF NOT, YOU CAN LEAVE IF YOU WANT TO.

YEAH.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU.

MOVING ON TO ITEM

[Items 8 & 10]

UM, WELL WE ARE GONNA DEAL WITH EIGHT AND 10 AT THE SAME TIME.

SO MR. WILLIAMS. THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN.

YES SIR.

IT'S GOOD TO SEE YOU AGAIN.

SAME HERE.

THIS WHOSE GENTLEMEN, GOOD TO SEE Y'ALL AGAIN.

CALL.

WELL, MR. CHAIRMAN, YOU WEREN'T HERE LAST MONTH, BUT YOU RECALL THE SAME, SORT OF, THE SAME ISSUE WAS BEFORE YOU ON THE ASPECT OF WHETHER OR NOT THE COVENANTS THAT ARE APPLICABLE TO THIS PARTICULAR PORTION OF COFFIN POINT, PROHIBITED COMMERCIAL USES.

AND YOUR DECISION WAS NO IT DOES NOT.

YOU SENT IT BACK TO THE STAFF SO THAT THE RECALS AND THE VAN LAWSONS COULD GO THROUGH THE SPECIAL USE PROCESS.

SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE TODAY.

SO WITH RESPECT TO THE REPOS FIRST, THIS IS THE HERON ROAD.

YOU'VE GOT BEFORE YOU THE APPLICATION THAT WAS FILED, WHICH IN INCLUDES I THINK ALL THE REQUIRED INFORMATION.

THERE IS, THERE'S A SHORT TERM APPLICATION CONFIRMATION THAT THE COVENANTS DO NOT PROHIBIT

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THERE'S A SURVEY OF THE PROPERTY, THERE'S THE ZONING PERMIT APPLICATION.

THERE IS THE FIRE SAFETY STANDARDS APPROVAL FORM.

THERE IS THE SHORT TERM RENTAL SAFETY CHECKLIST.

AND YOU ALSO HAVE A PROFORM, A COPY OF THE MANAGEMENT AGREEMENT THAT THEY USE WITH NATURAL, NATURAL RETREATS WHO HANDLES THE RENTAL MANAGEMENT OF THE PROPERTY.

THERE'S ALSO A POLICE REPORT THAT SHOWS ONE TIME, FIVE YEARS AGO THERE WAS ONE CALL OUT THERE AND IT SORT OF FOUND PROPERTY.

WHAT, WHAT IS, WHAT'S THE FOUND SOMEONE OF LEFT PROPERTY AT THE, SOMEONE LEFT THEIR PERSONAL PROPERTY WHEN THEY CHECKED OUT.

OH, OKAY.

SO, AND THEY WANTED TO VERIFY IT WITH THE POLICE THAT THEY HAD CUZ I HAD IT SAVING IT FOR SO THEY KNEW, DIDN'T KNOW EACH OF IT.

WE HAVEN'T COME AND GET IT.

SO NO ISSUES WITH ALL AT ALL WITH RESPECT TO DISTURBANCES THAT WOULD WARRANT ANY SORT OF CONCERN.

YOU ALSO HAVE BEFORE YOU THE STAFF'S REPORT THAT SAYS THAT THIS APPLICATION DOES MEET ALL FOUR CRITERIA FOR APPROVAL OF A SPECIAL USE PERMIT AND THEIR RECOMMENDATION.

I'M NOT SURE HOW THEY COME DOWN TO THIS, IT'S JUST FOLLOW THE CRITERIA AND MAKE YOUR OWN DECISION.

YEAH, THAT'S PRETTY MUCH WHAT IT IS.

WE THINK EVERYTHING THERE IS PRETTY SELF-EXPLANATORY.

IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS WITH RESPECT TO THIS PARTICULAR APPLICATION, WE'LL BE GLAD TO ENTERTAIN 'EM.

MR. AND MRS. REPO, WE'RE HERE.

UH, YES SIR.

I HAVE ONE QUESTION.

YES, IT'S A THREE BEDROOM HOUSE, BUT YOU HAVE EIGHT GUESTS.

YOU CAN SUPPORT EIGHT PEOPLE.

YES.

YOU WANNA YOU WANNA STEP UP AND INTRODUCE YOURSELF? YES.

IT'S A THREE BEDROOM HOUSE.

IT HAS A QUEEN BED IN ONE.

IT HAS A QUEEN BED IN THE OTHER AND IT HAS A, UH, BUNK BED, BUT IT'S A FULL, UH, UH, FULL BED BUNK BED.

SO YOU COULD HAVE TWO IN THE BOTTOM AND TWO IN THE TOP.

OH, OKAY.

SO THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE AGE.

THANK YOU.

AND NAME MR. CHAIRMAN.

LET ME JUST GO BACK REAL QUICK AND HAVE MR. MR. BRIDGE.

CAN YOUFOR CONFIRM FOR THE RECORD HERE THAT ALL THE PUBLIC NOTICE REQUIREMENTS WERE PROPERLY MET FOR THE, FOR THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT? YES.

YES.

YES.

OKAY.

AND YOU HAVE ALSO IN YOUR PACKAGE, I THINK IT, IT'S A HALF DOZEN EMAILS THAT WERE SENT IN TO MS. AUSTIN ALL IN SUPPORT FROM NEIGHBORS IN THE AREA.

YES, WE HAVE THOSE.

AND IT'S IMPORTANT AGAIN, THAT YOU KEEP IN MIND THE SAME ISSUES THAT WERE AT PLAY LAST TIME.

THERE ARE CERTAIN AREAS OF CA POINT THAT ARE SUBJECT TO DIFFERENT COVENANTS THAT PROHIBIT COMMERCIAL USE.

THAT'S NOT THE CASE HERE.

UH, THIS IS A PERMITTED USE OF THE EVIDENCE.

AND IF YOU DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS WE'VE ANSWERED YOU GO AHEAD AND PROVE THIS APPLICATION.

ALRIGHT.

THANK ANYBODY WE HAVE ANY MORE QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? THANK YOU.

MR. WILLIAM, DO YOU WANT, YOU WANNA DO THIS ONE AND THE VAN SSOS TOGETHER? WE MIGHT AS WELL DO IT BOTH.

I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY THEY ALL MEET, THEY, THEY FALL UNDER THE SAME COVER.

I CAN GO THROUGH THE EXACT SAME, MAKE A DIFFERENCE IN THE, UH, PEOPLE COMING UP TO RESPOND WITH THINGS.

OKAY.

QUESTIONS NEW, UH, THE, YOU'VE GOT THE FULL APPLICATION AGAIN IN FRONT OF YOU.

UM, THERE WERE, THE POLICE REPORT SHOWS THAT GOING BACK TO 2017, THERE HAVE BEEN FIVE, I'M SORRY, FOUR CALLS.

AND MS, CAN YOU EXPLAIN WHAT THE FOUR CALLS IF YOU COME FORTH PLEASE? LORI VAN? YES.

UM, SO THE TWO CALLS IN 2022 WERE, UM, THE GUEST CALLING ONE, UM, WAS A DOMESTIC ISSUE AND ANOTHER ONE THAT WAS A HEALTH ISSUE.

OKAY.

UM, AND THEN IN 2017 THERE WERE TWO CALLS WITH REGARD TO A VEHICLE, A SUSPICIOUS VEHICLE.

UM, BUT OUR NEIGHBOR ACROSS THE STREET WAS CLEARING HIS LOT AND OUR MAILBOX IS LIKE RIGHT THERE.

SO I'M, I'M GUESSING THAT LIKE THEY HAD SOME EQUIPMENT PARKED AND SOMEBODY CALLED AND THEY JUST REFERRED TO OUR ADDRESS BECAUSE OUR MAILBOX WAS SITTING RIGHT THERE.

BUT IN ALL FOUR INSTANCES, THERE'S NO WRITE-UP FROM THE POLICE BECAUSE THEY DETERMINED THAT IT WAS, NONE OF THEM WERE ANY ISSUE AT ALL.

SO THEY NEVER WROTE A REPORT ABOUT ANY OF IT.

RIGHT.

AND WHEN WAS THAT DOMESTIC CALL? 2022.

OH, JUST RECENTLY? YEAH.

OKAY.

AND I, I THINK IT'S BECAUSE NOW WE HAVE, ON OUR FRIDGE, WE HAVE THE THING THAT SAYS CALL 9 1 1 IF YOU NEED HELP.

AND ALL OF A SUDDEN THE GUEST DECIDED TO CALL .

SURE.

RIGHT.

THANK YOU.

WHICH IS NOT A GOOD THING TO DO WITH THAT SITUATION.

SO THERE'S NOTHING ON THE RECORD BEFORE YOU THAT SHOWS THAT THERE'S ANY SORT OF PUBLIC NUISANCE WITH RESPECT TO THE SHORT TERM RENTALS HERE.

AND THEY, AND THESE HOUSE HAVE BEEN RENT FOR MANY, MANY YEARS.

ALL RIGHT.

UH, ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? THANK YOU.

WE HAVE ON THE COUNTY.

THANK YOU.

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I WOULD SAY FOR BOTH OF THEM, YOU KNOW, THE, OF COURSE THE Z B O A AT THE, UH, APRIL MEETING LOOKED AT AN APPEAL TO, UM, THE STAFF DECISION BASED ON THE COVENANTS AND RESTRICTIONS APPLIED TO BOTH OF THESE PROPERTIES.

UM, AND THAT TIME THE Z B O A, UM, YOU KNOW, BELIEVED THAT STAFF WAS IN ERROR.

AND SO THE DECISION OF THE Z B O A AT THAT MEETING WAS TO HAVE THE APPLICANT BOTH APPLICANTS COME BACK AND GO THROUGH THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT PROCESS.

SO THAT'S WHERE WE ARE TODAY.

AND THAT'S MORE OR LESS WHAT THE STAFF REPORT IS.

AND YOU KNOW WHAT OUR RECOMMENDATION IS TO, YOU KNOW, AS IN ANY SPECIAL USE PERMIT TO UTILIZE THE CRITERIA OF, UH, DIVISION 7.2, 0.1 30 D OF THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT CODE REGARDING, UM, EVALUATION OF SPECIAL USE PERMIT.

AND I'M ASSUMING THAT THE STAFF DID NOT SEE ANYTHING THAT STOOD OUT WITHIN THE COVENANTS THAT WOULD PROHIBIT THE, THE SPECIAL USE TO MOVE FORWARD BASED ON THE ACTION OF THE Z B O A, THAT THAT WAS THE CASE.

YEAH, WE DIRECTED IT.

WOULDN'T BE, AREN'T ANY ISSUES.

YEAH.

IF I COULD JUST MAKE A FEW COMMENTS.

UH, BRIAN HALBERD, DEPUTY COUNTY ATTORNEY, UH, FOR THE COUNTY.

I REPRESENTED THE COUNTY IN THE APPEAL LAST WEEK AND I DON'T WANT TO RE-LITIGATE THE APPEAL, BUT I DO WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THE BOARD FULLY CONSIDERS THE RESTRICTIVE COVENANTS THAT DO AFFECT THIS PROPERTY.

AND I'M CONCERNED THAT IN CONSIDERING THE APPEAL LAST WEEK IN DETERMINING THAT THE COVENANTS DID NOT PROHIBIT COMMERCIAL ACTIVITY, THEY MAY HAVE NEGLECTED TO GIVE THE COVENANTS THE PLAIN AND ORDINARY MEANING OF RESIDENT AND RESIDENTIAL IF LOOK AT DICTIONARY RESIDENT AND RESIDENTIAL IMPLIES PERMANENT RESIDENCE NOT TRANSIENT.

AS WE ALL KNOW, SHORT TERM RENTAL 30 DAYS OR LESS IS RESIDENTIAL AND THAT'S WHY IT'S LODGING AND IT'S COMMERCIAL ACTIVITY.

SO I JUST WANT YOU TO CONSIDER THAT MAKING YOUR DECISIONS.

YES SIR.

I JUST THINK WE MADE, I MADE OUR DECISION CLEAR ON, ON THE COVENANT ON THIS ISSUE.

THANK YOU.

THAT, THAT, THAT ISSUES OVER AND DONE WITH.

SO, AND IT'S NEW POINT.

THE COVENANTS DON'T PROHIBIT THE COMMERCIAL USE HERE.

THANK YOU.

UH, WE'RE GONNA OPEN UP FOR, UH, PUBLIC COMMENT IS STEPHANIE COMPTON COMPTON.

HEY, GOOD EVENING.

UM, I OWN, UH, IF YOU WANNA LOOK AT THE PLAT LOT 10, UM, AND I AM LIKE A HUNDRED FOOT FROM THE REPOS AND THEN 200 FEET AWAY FROM THE VE ROSENS.

UM, SO I CAN HEAR THEIR HOUSES.

I CAN SEE THEIR HOUSES.

AND WE MOVED THERE IN JUNE OF LAST YEAR.

I HAVE FIVE KIDS.

SO WE WERE REALLY USING THAT BEACH A LOT, .

UM, AND WE WALKED BY BOTH HOUSES DAILY.

UM, I HAVE NO PROBLEMS. UM, WE TALKED TO THE RENTERS, UM, NO PROBLEMS. I COULD TELL THAT THE PROPERTIES WERE WELL MANAGED.

UM, WE FELT SAFE AND UM, THEY CARE FOR THE WILDLIFE AND, UM, I HAVE NO PROBLEMS WITH IT.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU.

UM, BRANDY RAINS.

MY NAME'S BRANDY RAINS.

I LIVE AT 52 HERRON DRIVE ON THE SAME ROAD AS ONE OF THE PROPERTIES IN QUESTION.

MM-HMM.

, THERE ARE SEVEN STRUCTURES, FULL-TIME STRUCTURES ON THAT ROAD, AND ONLY THREE OF US ARE FULL-TIME RESIDENTS.

I'M ONE, ONE IS A MANAGEMENT COMPANY THAT MANAGES THESE PROPERTIES AND THE OTHER IS A LONG-TIME RES FULL-TIME NEIGHBOR OF MINE.

AND HER DAUGHTERS HAVE HELPED ME ROUND UP RENTERS, DOGS THAT ARE RUNNING LOOSE AND THREATENING MY POULTRY, MY CHICKENS.

AND MY BIGGEST PROBLEM I THINK IS TRESPASS.

PEOPLE COMING ON PROPERTY THAT'S NOT THERE.

AND I'M NOT SAYING IS THEIR RENTERS, BUT IT'S THESE VRBO OS IN GENERAL.

PEOPLE WHO ARE ON VACATION AREN'T PAYING ATTENTION TO LOW COUNTRY ETIQUETTE.

THEY'RE ON VACATION AND THEY'RE PAYING FOR THIS AND THEY'RE GONNA HAVE FUN.

AND, UM, I'VE HAD DOGS ON MY FRONT PORCH CAUSING MY DOGS TO BARK AND TEAR UP MY WINDOW TREATMENTS.

I'VE HAD DOGS LOOSE ON MY PROPERTY AT 2:00 AM PEOPLE LOOKING FOR THEM WITH FLASHLIGHTS.

AND THESE ARE ONE OF THESE, THERE'S SEVEN STRUCTURES, THREE RESIDENTS, THREE V RPOS, AND ONE OR TWO THAT ARE LIKE SUMMER CARRY, COME AND GO.

SO MOSTLY IT'S DOGS.

MY DOG'S BARKING AT THE STRANGE

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SO THERE'S A DIFFERENT DOG ON MY ROAD EVERY DAY.

MY DOG'S NEVER QUIT BARKING.

THESE WRENCHES FEED THE DEER, WHICH ENCOURAGED THE DEER TO COME CLOSER.

MY DOGS NEVER QUIT BARKING.

AND UM, THEIR DOGS RUN LOOSE AND THEY RIN IF YOU LOOK AT THE REVIEWS ON SOME OF THESE PROPERTIES, THEY'RE, THEY SAY, OH, WE SO LOVED LETTING ROVER RUN ON YOUR DOG BEACH.

NO, THERE'S NO DOG BEACH IN BEAUFORT COUNTY.

AND THESE DOGS LEAVE THE BEACH.

THEY COME CHASE MY BIRDS OR MY DOGS BARK.

AND THEY DON'T, I GUESS THE HOMEOWNERS ARE LETTING PEOPLE THINK THAT IT'S OKAY.

THEY'RE PROBABLY NOT SAYING YES OR NO.

I'M SURE THEY'RE TELLING THEM NOT TO FEED THE DEER, BUT THEY'RE ON VACATION.

THEY'RE GONNA DO WHAT THEY WANNA DO ANYWAY.

AND SO I FIND MYSELF AS A SINGLE FEMALE SURROUNDED BY NO CONTINUITY OF NEIGHBORS.

THERE'S NO SENSE OF, I CAN'T COUNT ANYBODY THE HOUSE NEXT TO ME, NOT THEIRS, BUT THE HOUSE NEXT TO ME RENTS A MINIMUM OF TWO DAYS.

I COULD HAVE THREE DIFFERENT PEOPLE IN MY YARD CUZ THERE'S AN EASEMENT FOR MY PROPERTY FOR THIS RENTAL, NOT THEIRS.

SO THERE'S DIFFERENT PEOPLE UP AND DOWN OUR ROAD.

THEY TRAILER IN THEIR ATVS, THEY GO ON UNDEVELOPED LOTS.

THEY HAVE CHILDREN ON GOLF CARTS, PEOPLE ON GOLF CARTS ON THE BEACH, PUBLIC INTOXICATION CUZ THEY'RE ON VACATION.

AND I THINK , IT'S NOT THE CONTINUITY, IT'S NOT WHERE I BOUGHT, I BOUGHT THIS IN 1997 FOR, I'M AN ICU DIALYSIS NURSE.

I WORK HARD, I WANNA COME HOME AND RELAX.

MM-HMM.

, I DON'T WANT TO TEACH PEOPLE THE RULES THAT ARE FROM NEW JERSEY OR OHIO OR WHEREVER THEY'RE FROM.

AND, UH, I WOULD LIKE FOR YOU TO DENY THESE, THESE, UH, SPECIAL NEEDS PERMITS, PLEASE.

THANK YOU MA'AM.