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ALLEGIANCE TO THE OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC OF WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
THANK YOU PUBLICATIONS, BUT SIT DOWN.
UM, BEFORE WE GET INTO THE APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES, ONE OF THE REQUESTS FROM THE LAST MEETING WAS TO IDENTIFY STAFF MEMBERS THAT WERE ATTENDING, UH, SO THAT WE COULD PROPERLY RECORDER FOR THE RECORD.
SO ON THE BACK ROAD, STAFF MEMBERS WISH YOU WOULD INTRODUCE YOURSELVES.
JUST FOR THE RECORD, CHRIS RYAN, FOR YOUR ELK.
UH, VAN WILLIS, TOWN OF PORT ROYAL, NOS TOWN ROYAL JESSE WHITE LAKE COMMISSION.
SCOTT MARSHALL, CITY OF BUFORD, AREA COUNTY.
GO TO BEFORD COUNTY AND PAPPAS, BUFORD COUNTY PLANNING COMMISSION.
STEVEN MURRAY, CITY OF BUFORD.
OKAY, WELL, THAT'S A LOT FOR Y'ALL TO REMEMBER UP THERE AND APPRECIATE YOU, YOUR COMING HERE.
I'LL GET WITH YOU IN JUST A SECOND.
I'M GONNA GO FIRST FOR THE APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES FROM APRIL 28TH.
ANY COMMENTS, COLLECTIONS, CONDITIONS, IF NOT, HAVE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL.
UM, BY ANY CHANCE WE HAVE ANY CITIZEN COMMENTS THAT PEOPLE WOULD, ANYBODY WOULD LIKE TO MAKE BEFORE WE START THE MEETING? HEARING NONE, WE'LL GO FORWARD WITH THE PRESENTATION ITEM THAT WE'VE, UH, SET FOR THIS AGENDA.
UM, I'M GONNA HAVE ASK STEPHANIE ROSSI, IF YOU WANTED TO INTRODUCE GUESTS.
AND THE TOPIC OF DISCUSSION IS NEW DESIGNATED URBAN AREA DISCUSSION WITH C D O T, STEPHANIE.
SO, UM, AT THE REQUEST OF NPI FROM THE MEETING LAST MONTH, UM, YOU ASKED TO BE ABLE TO DISCUSS THIS TOPIC AGAIN, UM, WITH S C D T.
UH, SO WE, THEY'VE BEEN INVITED VIRTUALLY HERE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS.
THERE'S NOT REALLY A FORMAL PRESENTATION, UM, PROVIDED TODAY, BUT IT'S REALLY JUST AN OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE A DISCUSSION, ASK QUESTIONS.
UM, WE HAVE SOME DEADLINES LOOMING REGARDING THIS DECISION.
SO, UM, IT'S KIND OF YOUR, UH, THAT YOU'VE GOT, UH, SOME GREAT FOLKS HERE THAT CAN HELP ANSWER QUESTIONS.
I, I'LL LET THEM INTRODUCE THEMSELVES, BUT YOU HAVE, UH, SD D O T AND F H W A REPRESENTATIVES HERE TODAY.
UM, CHRISTINA, DO YOU WANNA INTRODUCE, START, GO AROUND AND INTRODUCE YOURSELVES.
I'M THE, UM, STATEWIDE PLANNER CHIEF AND THE OFFICE OF PLANNING.
AND, UM, YEAH, I'M THE REGIONAL PLANNER.
I'M, UH, THE HEAD OF THE CHIEF.
I'M THE CHIEF OF THE REGIONAL MOBILITY PROGRAM TITLE.
I CAN'T QUITE SEE YOU OVER THE CORNER OF JUNE, BUT
I'M WITH FEDERAL HIGHWAY ADMINISTRATION.
I'M IN THE SOUTH CAROLINA DIVISION OFFICE.
UM, YES, I WAS GONNA SAY THERE WAS A FEW QUESTIONS THAT HAVE REPEATEDLY COME UP AND, UM, THOSE WERE INCLUDED IN YOUR AGENDA PACKET, AND I'VE ALSO SENT THOSE TO.SO THEY'VE SEEN THOSE.
BUT THIS IS KIND OF TO GET THE CONVERSATION STARTED.
UM, WE HAVE A FEW, UM, I JUST TO LET, UH, D O T FOLKS KNOW.
THEY, WE HAVE THE SLIDES FROM WHAT CHRISTINA PROVIDED ON YOUR LAST TRIP DOWN HERE, UM, WITH THE FUNDING TABLE.
AND, UM, I THINK IT WAS DATED BACK IN FEBRUARY.
SO WE HAVE THOSE AVAILABLE IF YOU WANNA REFERENCE THOSE.
UM, I CAN'T THINK OF ANY ELSE THAT WE MIGHT HAVE.
WE ALSO, UM, HAVE, UH, THE URBAN AREA BOUNDARY MAP THAT WE'RE GONNA BE PRESENTING TO EL UH, LAK, UH, NEXT FRIDAY AS WELL.
AND DO YOU WISH TO PROCEED, DO YOU WANT TO GO THROUGH THE QUESTIONS THAT YOU, UH, APPENDED TO THE LAST MEETING? UM, YEAH, I GUESS WE CAN, UM, ADDRESS THE QUESTIONS.
UM, IF THERE'S ANY NEW QUESTIONS.
I DON'T WANNA BE PRESUMPTUOUS, THESE ARE THE ONLY QUESTIONS Y'ALL HAVE, BUT, UM, THESE ARE JUST SOMETHING TO GET SOME PEOPLE STARTED.
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OKAY.UM, STEPHANIE, SO THIS IS THE LIST YOU SENT US A WHILE BACK? YEAH, YEAH.
LIKE WHAT, WHAT, UM, NEW URBAN AREA MPO DISCUSSION QUESTIONS.
DO YOU HAVE THAT? YEAH, I BELIEVE I HAVE IT RIGHT HERE.
WHAT'S THE FIRST QUESTION? MAKE SURE WHAT IS, WHAT IS NEEDED SPECIFICALLY IN THE PACKAGE BY AUGUST 15TH FOR A NEW MPO? THAT WAS THE FIRST ONE.
YOU WANNA TAKE THAT WHETHER SUPPORT NPO MAP? YEAH.
SO WHAT WE NEED FOR AUGUST 15TH IS GONNA BE A MAP OF YOUR, UM, PROPOSED STUDY AREA
UM, YOU KNOW, IF YOU WERE DECIDE TO SPLIT OFF OR, OR IF YOU DECIDE TO REMAIN AS ONE MPO, WE WOULD WANNA SEE LETTERS OF SUPPORT FOR THAT.
DOES THAT NEED TO BE LIKE OFFICIAL RESOLUTION ADOPTED BY COUNCIL OR HOW WOULD THAT, THE LETTER OF SUPPORT, WHAT WOULD THAT LOOK LIKE IF THE, IF EITHER DIRECTION, I GUESS WE NEED A OFFICIAL RESOLUTION OR, I, I THINK THERE'S, THERE'S, AGAIN, JUST SPEAKING FROM THE REGULATORY STANDPOINT, I MEAN, THERE'S FLEXIBILITY.
YOU'RE JUST, WE'RE JUST LOOKING FOR SOME DEMONSTRATION OF LOCAL SUPPORT, WHETHER THAT'S IN THE FORM OF A RESOLUTION OR, OR A LETTER OF SUPPORT.
SO I KNOW THAT WE HAD TALKED ABOUT MAYBE TRYING TO PROVIDE SOME, SOME TEMPLATES OR SOME SAMPLES, YOU KNOW, IF YOU GUYS, IF THAT WOULD HELP YOU GUYS, UH, SOMETHING THAT WE'RE GONNA SHARE AROUND THE STATE, NOT JUST FOR A NEW DESIGNATION LIKE THIS, BUT FOR OTHER AREAS THAT ARE ALSO TAKING ACTION TO MODIFY THEIR BOUNDARIES.
YOUR QUESTION THERE, STEPHANIE? UH, YEAH, AND I JUST HAD A, A QUITE A QUESTION IN HERE.
SO WE DO, UM, IN THE LASTS AGENDA THAT I JUST SENT OUT, UM, WE ARE SORT OF PREEMPTIVELY PUTTING UP FOR APPROVAL ON THE CONDITION.
WE REMAIN ONE MPO, THE LA CURRENT LA BOUNDARY.
THE CURRENT LAST BOUNDARY ALREADY FULL FULLY ENCOMPASSES BOTH URBAN AREAS.
THERE'S REALLY NO NEED TO TWEAK IT AT ALL.
UM, BUT WE DID MEET WITH THE TECHNICAL COMMITTEE, UH, EARLIER THIS MONTH TO SEE IF THERE WERE ANY LITTLE SURPRISE AREAS THAT MAYBE WE DID NEED TO TWEAK THAT BOUNDARY.
BUT NO, THERE WASN'T ANYTHING THAT CAME UP.
SO WE DECIDED TO ENDORSE THE CURRENT BOUNDARY ON THE CONDITION WE REMAIN ON M P O IF WE DO NOT REMAIN ONE MPO, WE DO, THERE'S SOME WORK THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE.
UM, IT MIGHT BE AS SIMPLE AS DRAWING A LINE DOWN THE MIDDLE OF THE RIVER, BUT, UM, PORT ROYAL COMPLICATES THAT A LITTLE BIT WITH THEIR ANNEXATION, BUT, UH, WE'LL, TO FIGURE THAT WAS 20 YEARS AGO.
I KNOW WE HAVE TO FIGURE OUT
BUT ANYWAY, WE WERE MOVING FORWARD WITH, BECAUSE D O T HAS A DEADLINE IN TERMS OF THE MAPPING EFFORT TO GET THESE MAPS A DRAFT INTO THEM AS EARLY AS POSSIBLE.
THEY WERE LOOKING AT JUNE 1ST, WHICH WERE OUR MEETINGS THE DAY AFTER THAT.
SO I, I, I SUBMITTED OUR DRAFT, BUT WE WOULD LIKE, THEY WOULD LIKE AN ENDORSEMENT OF THE ACTUAL MAP.
SO I WOULD WANTED TO KEEP THAT PROCESS MOVING FORWARD REGARDLESS OF WHAT THE OTHER DECISION IS.
SO YOU NEED LETTERS OF SUPPORT.
UM, SO STEPHANIE, I WANNA MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND.
WAS THAT AN ANSWER TO THE FIRST QUESTION? WHAT IS NEEDED BY AUGUST 15TH? THE MAP? ONLY THE MAP AND LETTERS OF SUPPORT, THE MAP AND LETTER SUPPORT.
THAT'S ALL WE NEED BEFORE AUGUST 15TH? YEAH.
WELL YOU WOULD, I'M SORRY, YOU WOULD HAVE TO DEFINE WHO WOULD BE STAFFING IT.
THERE'S OTHER, THERE'S A PLAN THAT'S REQUIRED, RIGHT.
AND JUST TO CLARIFY, STEPHANIE, IT'S NOT ANY, NONE OF THE ACTUAL PLAN PLANNING NEEDS TO BE STARTED.
SO JUST LIKE THE SKELETON OF THE STAFFING PLAN.
AND IT'S THE, IT'S THREE JURISDICTIONS, PORT CITY OF BUFORD AND BU COUNTY.
YOU NEED LETTERS OF SUPPORT FROM EACH OF THE THREE JURISDICTIONS? NO.
DOESN'T FALL IN, NO, YOU'RE OUTSIDE THE URBAN AREA.
WANNA GO TO THE NEXT QUESTION? I THINK WE ALREADY ANSWERED THE SECOND QUESTION REGARDING THE URBAN AREA BOUNDARIES.
IF THERE'S NO CHANGES, UM, THAT QUESTION, IF THERE WAS CHANGES AND WE HAD TO REDRAW A MAP, WHAT, WHAT DOES THAT ENTAIL? YEAH, UM, WE'VE KIND OF DRAFTED IT AT ELK COG.
UM, CRUDELY, LIKE I SAID, WE JUST T DREW A LINE THROUGH THE ROD RIVER, BUT WE, OR THE, WE WOULD HAVE TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO HANDLE PORT ROYAL, WHERE
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WE WOULD ISLAND WHERE WE WOULD CIRCLE AROUND FOR PORT ROYALS, UH, ANNEXATION.UM, BUT YEAH, THAT WAS, AND SO THERE WOULD BE SOME THINGS THAT HAD TO TAKE PLACE WITH LATS SOONER THAN LATER BECAUSE THERE'S PROJECTS WE WOULD HAVE TO KIND OF DIVIDE UP.
IS THERE LIKE A FORMAL ADOPTION OF THE NEW MAP OR HOW, WHAT'S THE, WHAT'S THE PROCESS? YEAH, THE, THEY, YOU GUYS ARE LOOKING FOR A FORMAL, UM, APPROVAL OF THE MAPS, CORRECT? I, RIGHT.
BUT IF WE GO WITH THE LAST MAP, IT'S ALREADY SORT OF APPROVED.
I JOINING IN WITH THE EXISTING NPO.
I HAVE IT ON THE AGENDA FOR, UH, NEXT FRIDAY.
AND STEPHANIE, YOUR, YOUR THOUGHTS ARE IS LA IS GONNA REVIEW THAT, MAKE A RECOMMENDATION, THAT RECOMMENDATION IS GONNA GET FORWARDED TO THE THREE ENTITIES THING, HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION? WELL, SO THE MAP IS, UM, THE, JUST APPROVING THE CURRENT LAST BOUNDARY AS LATS.
IT'S NOT ABOUT ANYBODY ELSE, IT'S JUST LATZ WOULD BE BE APPROVING IT MOVING FORWARD.
SO LATS IS NOT GONNA MAKE ANY COMMENT OR DISCUSSION ON WHETHER WE SHOULD STAY AS ONE.
WELL, WE HAVE A LETTER, ANOTHER AGENDA ITEM FOR A LETTER OF SUPPORT ENCOURAGING THE THREE ENTITIES TO REMAIN PART OF LA.
THAT IS A SEPARATE ITEM, BUT YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I WAS GETTING.
AND THEN WE'LL SEE THE FORMAL ACTION FROM THAT.
WE'LL SEND THAT OUT TO THE, TO JURISDICTION.
I'M SORRY, I DIDN'T GET TO READ.
I SAW THE, I SAW THE, I SAW THE AGENDA CAME OUT LAST NIGHT.
I DIDN'T GET TO READ IT AGAIN.
I KNOW, I JUST SENT IT OUT LAST NIGHT.
IS IS IT, IS IT, IT'S FOR ACTION.
IT IS FOR NOT APPROVAL, NOT INFORMATION, RIGHT? CORRECT.
BOTH OF THOSE ITEMS FOR NICK? YES.
I THINK SOME OF US ALREADY KNOW, BUT I THINK WE SHOULD GO OVER HOW THE FUNDING WORKS, WHETHER WE STAY TOGETHER OR SEPARATE.
I THINK WE SHOULD HAVE THAT CONVERSATION.
CAN THERE ARE QUESTIONS FOR THOSE FOLKS? CAN WE GO AFTER THAT ONE LAST TAKE THAT ONE LAST.
YEAH, THAT COULD HAVE BEEN THE LAST ONE.
IF WE CAN ANSWER OTHER TWO BECAUSE D O T HAS AN ANSWER AND THEN IF OKAY.
I'D LIKE TO GIVE SOME MORE COLOR TO THEIR ANSWER.
THEIR ANSWER'S A GREAT ANSWER, BUT THEY'RE LIMITED ON WHAT THEY CAN SAY.
SO JARED, BASED ON THAT, ARE WE GOING TO BULLET FOUR? UH, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5.
SO IF NEW URBAN AREA REMAINS WITH LAX, ARE THEY FREE TO SEPARATE LATER? IS THAT THE ONE? YES.
UM, MARK, WOULD YOU TO ELABORATE ON THAT A LITTLE BIT? THE ONE ABOUT SEPARATING AT A LATER DATE? YEAH.
SO THE CYCLE THAT THIS PROCESS IS SET UP, IT'S EVERY SORT HAS TO CONSIDER, UM, ALL THE WORDING SUGGESTS THIS FOLLOWS CENSUS EVERY TIME THAT, THAT OCCURS EVERY 10 YEARS.
AND WE HAVE TWO DATES THAT WOULD, I THINK MORE OR LESS SUGGEST TO US THAT THIS REALLY HAS TO HAPPEN IN THE IMMEDIATE TERM.
AND IT WOULDN'T BE SOMETHING THAT YOU WOULD ADJUST MID CENSUS ONE.
THE FIRST DATE THAT WE GOTTA CONSIDER, UH, THAT'S PRESCRIBED TO US IS THAT IF YOU, A NEW MPO IS GONNA, IS GONNA BE CREATED, IT NEEDS TO BE FORMALLY DESIGNATED BY THE GOVERNOR AND THEN THOSE LOCAL JURISDICTIONS THAT ARE GONNA BE A PART OF THAT MPO BY DECEMBER 29TH OF THIS YEAR.
SO THAT FORMAL DESIGNATION HAS TO OCCUR.
SO IT DOESN'T GIVE US THE WINDOW TO SAY, HEY, A DESIGNATION COULD OCCUR IN 2025 OR 2026.
THE SECOND DATE I'LL MENTION TO YOU, UM, IS THAT BY DECEMBER 29TH, 2026, UH, UH, THE MPO REALLY HAS TO BE FUNCTIONAL.
SO THERE'S A LOT OF TIME THAT'S BUILT IN THERE.
I HEARD SOMEBODY SAY, WELL THIS, THIS DOESN'T MEAN WE HAVE TO HAVE OUR PLANS AND EVERYTHING READY TO GO.
SO THERE'S A BUILT-IN LEAD TIME TO ALLOW AN MPO TO DEVELOP A LONG RANGE PLAN TO GET ALL THE STAFFING ORGANIZED AGREEMENTS IN PLACE TO GET YOUR T I P IN PLACE FUND.
ALL, ALL THAT TAKES TIME, RIGHT? IT DOESN'T, IT DOESN'T HAPPEN OVERNIGHT.
SO THOSE ARE TWO DATES THAT I WANTED TO MENTION TO YOU.
AND I ALSO THINK ULTIMATELY THE ANSWER TO THE QUESTION WOULD BE THAT, THAT THIS DECISION REALLY IS IN FRONT OF US NOW, NOT, NOT SO MUCH AT A LATER DATE.
SO IT'S A 10, IT'S A 10, IT'S A 10 YEAR DECISION, IS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? YES, CORRECT.
I I HAVE A SPECIFIC QUESTION AS TO THE SCHEDULE THAT WAS IN THE LASTS ATTACHMENT, AND IT REFERS TO IT AS THE CENSUS SCHEDULE.
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THAT OCTOBER 1ST IS THE DATE BY WHICH A DECISION HAS TO BE MADE FOR ESTABLISHMENT OF A NEW MPO OR THE AUGUST 1ST DATE OR 15TH DATE.IS THAT TO GIVE YOU TIME BETWEEN AUGUST 15TH AND OCTOBER 1ST? SO THE AUGUST 15TH DATE IS A DATE, THE S E D O T SET.
SO WE CAN GET ALL OF THE, UM, STUDY AREA BOUNDARIES AND POPULATION INFORMATION, UM, FOR ALL OF THE MPOS ACROSS THE STATE.
AND THEN WE CAN, UM, MAKE A DECISION ON, UM, FUNDING FOR GOD SHARE.
WHICH WOULD THEN BE APPROVED IN OUR SEPTEMBER COMMISSION MEETING AND BEGIN THE NEW FISCAL YEAR, AUGUST, OCTOBER 1ST TO ELABORATE.
THE LAST ONE, IF YOU WANNA HIT THE LAST ONE AND THEN WE CAN GO BACK TO THE MOVING PART.
UM, SO THERE WERE SOME CONCERNS RAISED OVER JUST ACCU EQUITABLE DISTRIBUTION OF THE GUIDE SHARE.
UM, HAVE YOU GUYS SEEN ANY EXAMPLES? I MEAN, I THINK WE REALLY ONLY HAVE ONE IN THIS STATE, BUT WHERE THERE'S MORE THAN ONE URBAN AREA IN, DID THEY PUT AN AGREEMENT IN PLACE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT TO MAKE SURE IT'S KIND OF THE FUNDING SORT OF SHARED EQUALLY AMONGST THE URBAN AREAS OR PROPORTIONATELY? UM, I, I TALKED TO THE GREENVILLE G PATS, UM, AND THEY WERE NOT, THEY DID NOT HAVE ANYTHING IN PLACE LIKE THAT.
THEY JUST, IT JUST HAS WORKED THAT WAY.
THEY'VE BEEN, BUT THEY'VE BEEN TO URBAN AREAS FOR A VERY LONG TIME.
I, I I WANNA SAY THE DIRECT IT KIND OF PROCEEDED EVEN THEIR CURRENT DIRECTORS.
IS THAT GREENVILLE AND SPARTANBURG? UH, NO, NO, NO.
THEY'RE, THOSE ARE ACTUALLY TWO SEPARATE NPOS.
UM, IT'S, CAN SOMEONE HELP ME WITH THE, UM, THE OTHER URBAN AREA IN GREENVILLE AND G PAT ANDERSON? UM, MALDEN SIMPSONVILLE IS LARGE ENOUGH TO BE AN MPO ON ITS OWN, BUT HAVE CHOSEN TO REMAIN WITH GPS.
SO, UM, I'M NOT, I DON'T THINK THERE'S A FORMAL AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE TWO.
THEY JUST, UM, YOU KNOW, THE DECISION WAS MADE THAT THEY WERE GONNA STAY TOGETHER.
SO ALL OF THE FUNDING, UM, APPLIES TO THE ENTIRE STUDY AREA, IF THAT MAKES SENSE.
YOU DON'T BREAK IT DOWN LIKE MALDEN CENTS AND MILLIONS, 5 MILLION AND GREENVILLE GETS 10 MILLION.
DO YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? LIKE, YOU'RE, YOU'RE PLANNING FOR YOUR ENTIRE STUDY AREA, RIGHT? IF THAT YOU COULD, YOU COULD LOOK AT THAT INFORMATION YOURSELVES.
YOU BUT I DOWN, YOU KNOW WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? NO, BECAUSE THE, THE FUNDING JUST GOES TO THE ENTIRE STUDY AREA.
IT'S NOT BROKEN DOWN BETWEEN DIFFERENT JURISDICTIONS.
I, I WASN'T AWARE OF ANY EXAMPLES WHEN I WAS IN SEATTLE.
WE DID HAVE POSSIBILITY OF ONE OTHER, ONE OF OUR COUNTIES BEING THEIR OWN MPO AND REGIONAL EQUITY CAME UP OCCASIONALLY, BUT IT, THERE WAS NO FORMAL PROCESS IN PLACE.
YEAH, THAT'S SOMETHING I WANNA TALK OUT TO, RIGHT? I CAN LEAD INTO THAT ONE.
JOE, DO YOU WANT TAKE LEAD OR YOU WANT TO START? WELL, MICHELLE SAID SHE'S ON THE, THE LINE.
WOULD YOU LIKE TO TRY TO SPEAK TO THIS? MICHELLE? I'M NOT SURE IF YOU'RE, CAN YOU, UH, CAN YOU HEAR US? MICHELLE? STILL NOT WORKING.
THE FUNDING IS, UM, IS ALLOCATED, UM, BASED ON POPULATION.
SO THE, UM, DECISION HAS BEEN MADE THAT, UM, IF THE MPO IS SPLIT, THEN YOU KNOW, THE, THE MINIMUM IS 5 MILLION PER YEAR FOR N THE MPO.
BUT, UM, I DUNNO, JOE, IF YOU WANNA ELABORATE ANYMORE.
SO HISTORICALLY, THE POT OF MONEY THAT'S GOING TO THE MPOS AND COGS IS A HUNDRED PERCENT BASED ON POPULATION.
THE ONLY CAVEAT REALLY RECENTLY IN THE PAST FEW YEARS, UH, S C D O D COMMISSION APPROVED HAVING A MINIMUM AMOUNT THAT WOULD GO TO EACH REGION.
SO THAT MINIMUM RIGHT NOW IS 5 MILLION.
AND THAT, AGAIN, WE DON'T ANTICIPATE CHANGING, UH, THE PROGRAM,
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UH, NEXT YEAR, UH, NEXT OCTOBER, OCTOBER 24 WILL GROW TO A TOTAL SIZE OF ABOUT TWO 38 MILLION.AND EACH REGION WOULD, UH, EXPECT TO BE ABLE TO HAVE A 5 MILLION MINIMUM BEYOND THAT, UM, EACH REGION THEN, UH, WHATEVER POPULATION IS WITHIN THEIR STUDY BOUNDARY, UH, ALL THE STUDY BOUNDARIES OF THE MPOS ARE, UH, SUMMED TOGETHER AND PROPORTIONALLY, UH, EACH STUDY BOUNDARY GETS THEIR PERCENTAGE OF THE POT.
SO THAT POT OR, UH, MPOS WILL REMAIN THE SAME.
AND EACH MPO AROUND THE STATE IS DECIDING WHERE THEY NEED TO EXPAND THEIR BOUNDARIES SLIGHTLY OR WHERE THEY WOULD CONTRACT AND WHATEVER POPULATION LANDS WITHIN THEIR BOUNDARY.
THAT'S THE POPULATION THAT WE ULTIMATELY ARE TRYING TO GET TO FOR AUGUST 15TH.
AND THAT WILL FIT INTO THAT EQUATION WHERE WE FIGURE OUT WHAT'S THE TOTAL NUMBER OF ALL THOSE NPOS FOR POPULATION.
AND THEN FROM THERE, UH, WHAT'S THE NUMBER FOR, UH, POPULATION WITHIN, UH, EACH MPO AND THEN THAT'LL BE THE DISTRIBUTION WITH THE ONLY CAVEAT THAT EACH REGION, UH, WOULD GET 5 MILLION ACCOMPLISHED.
YEAH, I THINK THAT'S WHERE I STEP IN
AND I DON'T THINK YOU GUYS CAN SEE ME, THIS IS JARED OFF THE SIDE OF THE SCREEN, UM, BUT TO ADDRESS EVERYBODY IN THE ROOM.
SO THAT'S AS MUCH AS D O T CAN SHARE, WHERE THEY'RE NOT GONNA HAVE ANY MORE INFORMATION BEFORE JUNE 1ST OR AUGUST 15TH, AS FAR AS THE FUNDING.
SO, AND THIS IS ME READING THE T LEADS, AND YOU GUYS CAN CORRECT ME IF I MISSTATE SOMETHING, BUT TRYING TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF D O T FOR EVERYTHING, YOU MAY OR MAY NOT BE ABLE TO COMPLETELY SAY.
UH, SO LAST YEAR, UH, THERE WAS AN INCREASE OF FUNDING IN THE NPO RE AND THE REBRANDED NAME, THE REGIONAL MOBILITY PROGRAM, WHICH IS THE NPOS IN COX AT THE TIME, IN OCTOBER, UH, SECRETARY HALL WROTE A DIRECTIVE THAT THEY'RE GOING TO INCREASE THE FUNDING TO A MINIMUM 4 MILLION FOR THE COX AND A MINIMUM FIVE POINT OR 5 MILLION FOR THE NPOS.
THAT WAS BEFORE THIS NEW CREATION OF THE, WE HAVE 11 NPOS WOULD BE A 12TH MPO IF THIS MOVES FORWARD AS A SEPARATE ENTITY.
UH, SECRETARY HALL, FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, DOES NOT WANT TO GO BACK ON HER WORD JUST BECAUSE ANOTHER MPO WAS ESTABLISHED AFTER THAT LETTER WAS WRITTEN.
SO THE MOBILITY PROGRAM IN THE PAST HAS BEEN $138 MILLION.
NOW IT IS GROWING, I BELIEVE IT'S OVER A FOUR YEAR TERM TO 238 MILLION INSIDE OF THAT.
THAT'S WHERE THE $5 MILLION RES, UH, RESERVE IS GOING TO BE, BUT ALSO BASED OFF FORMULA, THE FUNDING AS FAR AS POPULATION.
SO WHAT IT MEANS FOR US AT LOCALLY, OUR, OUR, UM, REVENUE FROM LATS INCREASE FROM A LITTLE BIT AROUND FIVE TO 5.9, I BELIEVE IS WHERE OUR CURRENT FUNDING IS.
THAT'S THE FIRST ROUND OF THE FIRST PORTION OF THAT A HUNDRED MILLION DOLLAR INCREASE.
SO OVER THE NEXT FOUR YEARS, THERE MAY BE POTENTIALLY OTHER INCREASES AS THE, AS THEY SHAKE OUT THE POPULATION IN THE EXACT FORMULA, IT MAY STAY THE SAME.
IF WE WERE TO SPLIT, WE WOULD HAVE BASICALLY TWO OF THE SMALLEST NPOS IN THE ENTIRE STATE.
SO THEORETICALLY WE WOULD HAVE 5 MILLION FOR LATS AND 5 MILLION FOR THE NEW URBAN AREA NORTH OF THE BROAD.
IF WE DON'T SPLIT, OUR 5.9 MILLION MAY GROW IN THE FUTURE AS THEY FULLY FILL OUT THIS 238 MILLION REVAMP PROGRAM.
SO IT COULD GROW TO SIX, SEVEN, 8 MILLION, MORE THAN LIKELY IT WOULD NOT GROW TO 10 MILLION.
SO WHAT YOU HAVE IS A, IS A DIFFERENCE IN FUNDING A GAP FUNDING, BASICALLY JUST ASSUME IT'S, IT'S $8 MILLION IS WHAT WE EVENTUALLY GROW TO AS LADS AS ONE ENTITY.
SO THE DIFFERENCE, WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS $2 MILLION.
I'M NOT SURE, I WASN'T PART OF THE COUNTY, UM, OR PART OF WHEN THE NPO WAS CREATED IN 2015 OR 2016, BUT IN ESSENCE, THEY TOOK INTO ACCOUNT ALL THE GROWTH IN THE AREA.
SO IT GOES, THE URBANIZED AREA IS JUST BLUFFING IN HILTON HEAD IS HOW IT GOT ESTABLISHED.
BUT THE STUDY AREA GOT INCLUDED ALL THE WAY TO 95 TO INCLUDE HARDY AND ALL THE WAY NORTH OF BROAD TO INCLUDE, UH, CITY OF BUFORD, PORT ROYAL AND UNINCORPORATED.
UM, WHAT'S HAPPENED IN OTHER AREAS IS, UH, AT ANDERSON NPO AND GREENVILLE, NM P, THEY HAD THE SAME DECISION TO MAKE SEVERAL YEARS AGO, AND THEY DECIDE TO SPLIT WHAT'S HAPPENED IN THIS, EVERY, EVERY CENSUS, ALL THE NPOS ARE EVALUATED AND SOMETIMES THEY GROW, SOMETIMES THEY SHRINK.
WHAT'S GOING ON CURRENTLY IS GREENVILLE IS MORE URBANIZED AND ANDERSON IS LESS URBANIZED, BUT ANDERSON IS GROWING FASTER.
SO THE NPO IS SHRINKING IN GREENVILLE AND GROWING IN ANDERSON.
SO THEY'RE ADJOINING NPOS THAT SHARE SIMILAR ROADS,
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JUST LIKE WE SHARE ROADS NORTH AND SOUTH BUER.UM, AND NOW THEY'RE KIND OF PITTED AGAINST ONE ANOTHER BECAUSE ONE'S GROWING AND ONE ONE'S TAKING MONEY OUT OF THE OTHER'S WALLET.
UM, SO THE COORDINATION IS A LITTLE BIT MORE ARDUOUS THAN WHAT WE ALREADY HAVE SET UP TO.
WHOEVER HAD THE FORETHOUGHT TO, TO INCLUDE THE STUDY AREA FOR THE WHOLE REGION WAS VERY WELL AHEAD OF THEIR TIME.
SO IF ANYBODY WAS IN THAT IN THIS ROOM, CONGRATULATIONS, YOU DID A FANTASTIC TIME
SO THE BIG ANSWER IS, UM, IS $2 MILLION IS NOTHING TO SNIFF OUT.
THAT IS A LOT OF MONEY, BUT IS THAT $2 MILLION WORTH THE SACRIFICE IN THE REGIONAL COORDINATION? UM, JUST LIKE STORMWATER, JUST LIKE SEVERAL THINGS WE DEAL WITH, UH, ROADS REALLY DON'T HAVE BOUNDARIES.
PEOPLE DON'T CARE WHETHER YOU'RE ON D O T ROAD, A COUNTY ROAD.
ALL THEY CARE ABOUT IS THE ROAD ITSELF.
SO IS THAT $2 MILLION WORTH ENOUGH TO POTENTIALLY BREAK UP THE AWESOME COORDINATION THAT WE HAVE CURRENTLY? IN MY HUMBLE OPINION, I WOULD DARE TO SAY NO.
$2 MILLION IS A LOT, BUT $2 MILLION ISN'T WORTH THE LOSS OR POTENTIAL LOSS OF COORDINATION.
AND SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT IS OFF THE MARK A. LITTLE BIT FROM D O T, BUT I THINK THAT'S THE CRUX OF THE QUESTION.
AND BETWEEN NOW AND JUNE 1ST AND EVEN AUGUST 15TH, D O T IS NOT GONNA GIVE YOU ANY MORE CLARITY THAN THAT ON WHAT THE FUNDING WILL OR WILL NOT BE.
JARED, YOU MENTIONED ON MONDAY DAY OR SOMETHING, UH, FOR LAST WEEK, I DON'T KNOW.
UM, ON TOP OF THAT, A LITTLE, IN YOUR OPINION WAS THAT THE RAMP UP AND FUNDING OVER TIME WITH POPULATION GROWTH, WE COULD GET PAST THAT 10 MILLION EASIER, EASIER THAN TWO NPOS SEPARATE? YEAH.
SO STARTING AT FIVE, YEAH, SO WE HAVE THE SMALLEST NPOS IN THE STATE AND THEN THE THRESHOLD'S 50,000.
SO EVEN WHEN THE LAST NPO GOT STOOD UP IN 2015, THERE WAS KNOWLEDGE THAT IN SOME PERIOD IN THE FUTURE THAT NORTHERN REGIONAL BEAUFORD COUNTY AND CITY OF BUFORD AND PORT ROYAL WOULD MEET THAT 50,000 THRESHOLD.
IT JUST HAPPENED TO HAPPEN NOW.
SO, UM, YEAH, THAT THRESHOLD, AND THIS IS THE PART THAT D O T I THINK IS RESEARCHING, WE DON'T HAVE A FINAL ANSWER ON IS THAT 5.9 MILLION THAT WE'RE CURRENTLY RECEIVING, IS THAT BASED OFF THE URBAN AREA? UM, JUST THE BLUFFTON HILTON HEAD URBAN AREA, OR IS IT PLACED OFF THE ENTIRE STUDY AREA? UM, SO POTENTIALLY IF IT WAS ONLY BASED OFF THE URBAN AREA, NOW WE HAVE MORE URBAN AREA TO ADD TO OUR URBAN AREA WITHIN LAX AND POTENTIALLY THAT ADDS BETTER FOR OUR POPULATION AND OUR PIECE OF THE PIE.
AND DO WE KNOW IF IT WAS CONSIDERED, WELL, JARED, YOU, YOU CAN'T SEE THEM, BUT THEY PURELY HAVE AN ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION.
I THINK WE TALKED JUST IN FACIAL REACTIONS.
THERE'S AN ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION HE'S READY TO GIVE US.
SO I THINK THEY'RE ALL PROBABLY RESEARCHED THAT.
SO DT PLEASE FILL IN SOME OF THE GAPS THERE, JARED, THAT NUMBER'S FROM STUDY THE STUDY AREA, NOT JUST THE URBAN AREA.
SO WE WOULD NOT NECESSARILY GROW IN URBAN AREA WITH THE STAYING AS ONE.
SO THE GROWTH THAT WE WOULD HAVE IS WHATEVER THE LONG TERM $5.9 MILLION GROWS TO OVER THE NEXT FOUR YEARS, WHETHER THAT STAYS THE SAME OR WHETHER THAT GROWS, I DON'T KNOW THAT I KNOW THE ANSWER AND I'M NOT SURE D O TINOS THE ANSWER.
I THINK WHAT I WAS TRYING TO PINPOINT AND D O T MIGHT HAVE THIS IS THAT I, I HEARD SOMETHING WHEN WE MET EARLIER ON, UM, OVER AT ELK COG REGARDING GETTING ALL THE MPOS TO THAT THE PRIORITY HAS BEEN GETTING ALL THE MPOS TO THAT $5 MILLION FLOOR.
AND, AND MOVING FORWARD THE PRIORITY IS GOING TO BE RAMPING UP FUNDING FOR THE, FOR THE, FOR THE URBANIZED AREAS POPULATION.
IS THAT ACCURATE? I I THINK THEY'RE REWORKING THE CALCULATOR ON HOW IT GETS DISTRIBUTED.
IT'S BASED OFF POPULATION AND HISTORICALLY HAS BEEN BASED OFF POPULATION.
I THINK DT IS LOOKING AND EVALUATING IF THAT'S THE LONG TERM CALCULATION MODEL.
I DON'T KNOW THAT THEY'VE ANSWERED THAT QUESTION, BUT THAT I BELIEVE IS HOW STUFF HAS BEEN DISTRIBUTED IN THE PAST.
IS THAT ACCURATE? JOE AND LALY? HISTORICALLY WE'VE DONE IT BY POPULATION.
WE'VE, WE'VE EXPLORED OPTIONS EACH YEAR WE'RE LOOKING INTO HOW TO DISTRIBUTE THIS FUND.
I MEAN THE FIVE NINE, YOU KNOW, AS, AS WE DO THIS RECALCULATION, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA BE TAKING INTO ACCOUNT AS 2020 CENSUS INFORMATION AND DIFFERENT REGIONS GREW AT DIFFERENT RATES, YOU KNOW, BY POPULATION.
SO WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THIS REBALANCING IS GONNA LOOK LIKE EXACTLY.
SO WE JUST CAN'T SPEAK TO ACTUAL NUMBERS BECAUSE OF THAT AND TO TYPE THAT OFF, HOW MANY NPOS DO YOU HAVE? YOU KNOW, AT THE END OF THE DAY TOO, SO WE
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HAVE ONE, ONE PIECE OF THE PIPE, THERE'S ONE PIPE, IT'S 238 MILLION.AND SO IT, IT IS GOING TO GET, WHETHER WE HAVE 11 NPOS OR 12 NPOS, IT WILL GET SPLIT UP.
UM, AND RECALCULATED BASED OFF THE, THE UPDATED CENSUS STAFF, JARED AND AND D O T, I'VE BEEN KNOWN TO THINK OUTSIDE THE BOX.
F**K WHERE I'M GOING RIGHT NOW.
HOW WOULD D O T AND HOW WOULD THIS, HOW WOULD IT BE AFFECTED IF WE DECIDE TO SPLIT FOR THE PURPOSE OF THE FUNDING AND THEN DECIDE TO DO A LOCAL M MOU TO PLAN TOGETHER? I WOULD SAY THAT'S PLAUSIBLE.
UM, HYBRID, IF YOU WILL, HYBRID SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO HAVE TWO FULL STAFFS.
WE DON'T TAKE, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T HAVE TO HAVE TWO FULL STAFFS RUNNING TWO MBS.
I'M LOOKING FOR YOU, YOU KEEP HIDING BEHIND.
YOU KNOW, YOU WON'T HAVE TO HAVE TWO STAFFS.
WELL, YOU, YOU'LL HAVE TO HAVE DOUBLE THE WORK.
WE WILL, WE STILL WILL HAVE TO DO WORK.
SO WE, SO YOU'LL HAVE TO HAVE YOUR OWN LONG RANGE LAND.
THE TIP TO GET ONTO THE STATE TIP, I'D LIKE TO HEAR DOT'S THOUGHT OF MY OUTOF THE BOX ON FIRST.
SAY, YOU KNOW, YOU GUYS ARE CURRENTLY PLANNING FOR THAT AREA AND YOU GET A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF FUNDING BASED ON THAT, YOU WON'T RECEIVE ANY ADDITIONAL PLANNING FUNDS FOR A NEW DESIGNATION.
SO YOU'LL BE DIVIDING YOUR PLANNING FUNDS IN HALF TO DO THE PLANNING.
I'LL ADD, I MEAN, I THINK M MOU IS A GREAT IDEA.
ALRIGHT, SO, AND THAT EXISTS ALREADY WHERE WE HAVE ADJOINING NPOS IN THIS STATE.
SO THERE'S AN MOU RIGHT NOW BETWEEN GREENVILLE AND SPARTANBURG AND ANDERSON.
SO THERE'S, TO HELP WITH THAT REGIONAL COORDINATION PIECE, RIGHT? SO I THINK IF YOU GUYS WERE TO CREATE TO AN MOU REGARDLESS WOULD BE A REALLY IMPORTANT TOOL TO HAVE.
UH, BUT JARED'S POINT, AND IT'S BEEN ALSO, YOU KNOW, I'LL STATE THIS, IS THAT, UM, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO HAVE TWO LONG RANGE PLANS.
YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO HAVE TWO SEPARATE TIPS.
YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TWO DIFFERENT POLICY COMMITTEES, YOU KNOW, YOU MULTIPLE, YOU KNOW, WORKING COMMITTEES.
SO IT DOES, IT'S KIND OF A REDUNDANCY THERE THAT UNFORTUNATELY IS GONNA HAPPEN EVEN WITH THOSE MOU.
BUT IT, BUT HOW, HOW IS, HOW IS STAFF PAID? IS IT A, IS IT ADMINISTRATIVE FEE THAT'S TAKEN OFF OF THE, OFF OF THIS MONEY TO, IT'S THE PLANNING FUNDS THAT THEY'RE REFERRING TO? IT'S A SEPARATE, UM, YEAH, IT'S A SEPARATE POT FUNDS.
IT'S UM, YOU ALL GET LOCAL MATCH REQUESTS EACH HERE IN YOUR BUDGET REQUEST TO HELP.
UM, CUZ THAT ALSO HAS TO BE, UH, MATCHED AS WELL.
WHAT IS THE ESTIMATE IF WE, IF WE STAY TOGETHER AND THE FUNDS ARE SPLIT UP, WHAT IS THE ESTIMATE OF WHAT WE WOULD GET THIS COMING YEAR AS A, AS A GROUP? THEY DON'T HAVE ANSWER.
SO THE ANSWER, ALL WE HAVE RIGHT NOW IS THE 5.9 MILLION AND IT COULD GO UP, IT COULD GO DOWN BECAUSE THERE'S OTHER ENTITIES IN THE STATE DOING THE SAME EXERCISE.
AND THEN THE EXISTING NPOS HAVE GROWN AND SHRINKED AS WELL.
SO BASICALLY THEY'VE GOTTA PUT ALL THAT DATA BACK INTO THE MACHINE AND LET THE MACHINE SPIT OUT THE ANSWER.
AND UNTIL THEY GET ALL THE BOUNDARIES ESTABLISHED, THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT, THAT THEY DON'T HAVE THE DATA TO FEED THE MACHINE.
BUT WE, BUT WE DO KNOW THAT EACH ONE WILL GET A MINIMUM OF 5 MILLION.
THAT'S THE ONLY THIS COMING CYCLE THAT WE KNOW AND HAD SECRETARY HALL AND D O T NOT WROTE THAT LETTER, THAT WOULD NOT BE A GUARANTEE.
SHE COULD CHANGE HER MIND AND THEY COULD CHANGE THAT LETTER TOMORROW WITH THE NEW FUNDING.
BUT NOLAN SECRETARY HALL, I DON'T THINK SHE WOULD LIKE TO GO BACK ON WHAT SHE SAID AS HER APOLOGY AFTER ONE YEAR OF IT BEING IN PLACE.
SO YOU HAVE BASICALLY THE WORD OF SECRETARY HALL AND D O T SAYING THAT REGARDLESS OF ALL THESE CHANGES, WE'RE GONNA TRY TO STICK TO THAT BECAUSE THAT WAS WHAT WE SAID A YEAR AGO BEFORE THESE CHANGES SHOWED UP.
AND IT, AND IT'S, AND IT'S WORDED AS IT'S A MINIMUM OF FIVE, NOT EACH GET FIVE PLUS THE ALLOCATION.
SOMEWHERE IF WE DIDN'T HAVE THE MINIMUM, AND THESE ARE TWO NPOS, WE WOULD BE BABY NPOS AND WE MIGHT GET 3 MILLION AND WE JUST A HUNDRED PERCENT DID A CALCULATION BASED OFF POPULATION.
WE MIGHT BE AT 3 MILLION AND 4 MILLION IN OUR TWO NPOS.
THE ONLY THING THAT WE HAVE THAT'S GIVEN GUARANTEE IS THE LETTER AND DIRECTION THAT SECRETARY PAUL PUT OUT THE LAST TALK TO.
AND THAT LETTER IS ONLY GOOD FOR A YEAR OR IS IT GOOD FOR TILL THE NEXT CENSUS? NEITHER T COULD CHANGE THEIR MIND TOMORROW AND WRITE A NEW LETTER AND COME OUT WITH A NEW MINIMUM.
BASED OFF THIS, OUR NEW MINIMUM IS 4 MILLION.
WE COULD BE A BA TWO BABY NPOS AND NOT GET 5 MILLION.
WE HAD A TRAINING BACK IN MARCH AND SECRETARY HALL IS THERE AND SHE STILL WAS REMAINED COMMITTED TO THAT MINIMUM AT LEAST FOR A YEAR, PROBABLY, MAYBE.
AND SECRETARY HALL, I MEAN THAT'S, SHE IS AT THE TOP OF THE ORGANIZATION.
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WILL SHE BE THERE FOR OVER THE NEXT 10 YEARS? I DON'T KNOW THAT ANSWER.A NEW, UM, A NEW TAKE ON HER ACTION.
NOBODY KNOWS, BUT FROM WHAT WE KNOW OF HER, SHE IS COMMITTED TO THAT AND HAS RESTATED THAT MULTIPLE TIMES REGARDLESS OF THIS NEW FORMULA AND SHAKE UP.
UH, THEY MAY NOT KNOW THE ANSWER TO THIS, BUT ARE THERE OTHER NPOS THAT ARE POSSIBLY GONNA SPLIT TOO? OR ARE WE THE, IS THERE ANY, OR JOE, IS THERE ANY NPOS THAT MAY SPLIT IN THIS CURRENT BESIDES THE, I THINK THIS IS THE ONLY NEW MPO IN THE STATE THAT WAS IDENTIFIED IN THIS.
IS THAT CORRECT? THE ONLY NEW ONE.
BUT THERE'S OTHER NUANCES AROUND THE STATE OF, UH, EACH ONE'S WORKING THROUGH SOME ISSUES.
WE'RE, WE'RE FINE TUNING OUR APPROACH.
AND YOU'RE NOT GONNA GET ANY MORE CLEAR BETWEEN JUNE 1ST OR AUGUST 15TH? WELL, GOVERNMENT
WELL, I MEAN, I'LL JUST, I MEAN I'M, I'M ALL FOR STAYING IN, RIGHT, AND I, AND I'M APPRECIATIVE OF THE LATS FOLKS FOR HAVING THAT FORESIGHT.
JARED, TO YOUR POINT, KNOW, CREATING THE, THE MAP AS THEY DID.
UM, AND CERTAINLY NOT TRYING TO CREATE ANY MORE WORK FOR, FOR STEPHANIE AND CREW.
UM, I GUESS MY, YOU KNOW, WHEN I RAISED THE OBJECTION AT THE SOLO OR THE QUESTION, IT WAS, YOU KNOW, TWO TO 4 MILLION A YEAR IS NOTHING TO SNEEZE AT GIVEN ALL THE PRIORITIES THAT WE HAVE.
HOW MANY ROADS CAN YOU PAY FOR 4 MILLION BUCKS IN, IN PORT ROYAL? UM, BUT IT ALSO SEEMS LIKE, YOU KNOW, THAT'S A SUBJECT TO CHANGE, YOU KNOW, GIVEN EVERY FISCAL YEAR, WHICH IS MADDENING.
SO, I MEAN, I GUESS WE STICK, WE STICK TOGETHER THIS I I I I AGREE.
GO AHEAD IF YOU DON'T MIND BECAUSE, UH, WE'VE GOT A 10 YEAR WINDOW, SEE IF THIS WORKS.
AND I, I THINK FOR, EVEN THOUGH WE KNOW OUR POPULATION MAY NOT GROW AS MUCH AS BLUFFTON AND HILTON HEAD, I WON'T SAY HILTON HEAD, THEY'RE BUILT OUT, BUT AS BLUFFTON, BUT YOU KNOW, WE, WE WILL BE WITH THE BIG DOGS, ALL OF US TOGETHER.
SO
THAT IS ONLY GONNA INCREASE BETWEEN HERE AND BLUFFTON.
THAT, THAT THAT WAS ALWAYS MY, YEAH, IN SAVANNAH, THE REGIONAL COMMUTE, THAT REGIONAL COMMUTE IS WHAT I'M WORRIED ABOUT.
THIS MAKES A LOT OF SENSE TO ME.
I'VE ALWAYS BEEN ON BOARD WITH STAYING TOGETHER, BUT I HAVE TO ADMIT BRINGING 10 MILLION IN NEXT YEAR TO THIS REGIONAL AREA IS ATTRACTIVE.
BUT WHAT IS IT GONNA COST US TO DO THAT? AND THAT THE MONEY'S NOT MY SANITY.
MANY OF US, MANY OF US THAT HAVE BEEN AROUND A LONG TIME USING FEDERAL AND STATE THS TO HAVE SAID THE STATEMENT MORE THAN ONCE, SOMETIMES THE MONEY'S NOT WORTH IT.
I THINK WE'VE ALL MADE THAT STATEMENT FOR DIFFERENT REASONS OVER THE YEARS, AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE TO THINK IN OUR MINDS.
AND, AND STEPHANIE, YOU'RE BEING PART OF THAT BECAUSE IF IT SPLITS TO TWO, I MEAN LOT GOES TOWARDS YOU,
I MEAN, WE UNDERSTAND THAT AND WE HAVE TO BE COGNIZANT OF WHAT WE'RE ASKING THAT GROUP TO DO.
THIS HAS GIVEN US A LOT OF INFORMATION TO CONSIDER AND I'M GLAD THIS HAPPENED TODAY BEFORE.
THE, THE LATS MEETING, HONESTLY, CUZ TWO OF US IN THIS ROOM WILL ALSO BE ON THE LATS VOTING COMMITTEE, IF NOT MORE, UM, IN THAT ASPECT.
SO I WOULD, I WOULD OFFER ONE ADDITIONAL COMMENT.
SO REALLY THERE'S NO, I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS FOR ACTION OR WHAT IT IS ON, ON THE AGENDA, AND I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S READY FOR A POSITION TO BE TAKEN, BUT BY THE END OF JUNE WE NEED TO PROVIDE D O T AN ANSWER.
AND BY WE, IT IS BEAUFORT COUNTY, PORT ROYAL AND THE TOWN OF, UH, CITY OF BEAUFORT, TOWN OF PORT ROYAL.
THOSE THREE HAVE TO ANSWER TO D O T.
THOSE THREE ALSO AFFECT THE SOUTHERN VEAL.
SO THAT DECISION, EVEN THOUGH THEY DON'T HAVE ANY WEIGHT INTO THE DECISION, THEY'RE AFFECTED BY THE DECISION THAT'S MADE NORTH OF BROAD.
SO AS STEPHANIE MENTIONED WITH LATZ FROM THE TECHNICAL COMMITTEE TO THE POLICY COMMITTEE, THERE WAS A RECOMMENDATION SIMILAR TO A STAFF RECOMMENDATION TO A COUNCIL.
HER COUNCIL DOESN'T HAVE TO TAKE THAT, BUT STAFF MADE A POSITION AND IS FOR COUNSEL TO DECIDE UPON.
SO THAT'S WHAT'S GOING ON IN LA TECHNICAL COMMITTEE MADE A POSITION TO STAY AS ONE THAT WILL GO TO THE POLICY COMMITTEE FOR, FOR, UH, FOR A COORDINATION AND, AND MAKE AN ACTION ON.
AND THEN THEY WOULD ISSUE A, A LETTER OF SUPPORT ONE WAY OR THE OTHER TO THE THREE MUNICIPALITIES.
I THINK IT WOULD BE VERY BENEFICIAL FOR THIS NORTHERN REGIONAL GROUP TO TAKE A POSITION AND PROVIDE THAT SAME, WHATEVER YOUR POSITION IS, AND PROVIDE THAT LETTER OF SUPPORT ONE WAY OR THE OTHER TO THOSE THREE MUNICIPALITIES IN A SHORT ORDER.
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SO THEY CAN HAVE AT LEAST TWO TOUCH POINTS TO BASE THEIR DECISION OFF TO GIVE D O T AN ANSWER BY THE END OF JUNE.WELL, I WOULD, I MEAN I, IT'S LISTED AS A PRESENTATION ITEM, SO I'M A LITTLE NERVOUS ABOUT TAKING AN ACTION ITEM, BUT I'LL MAN MIGHT SPEAK UP IF YOU FEEL DIFFERENTLY, SCOTT, YOU TWO, AND IT SEEMS LIKE THE CONSENSUS IS IT, IT MAKES SENSE TO STAY TOGETHER CUZ YOU KNOW, TWO TO $4 MILLION A LOT OF MONEY.
BUT IN THE CONTEXT OF ALL OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECT WE'VE GOT ACROSS THE REGION, WHAT'S THE NUMBER? SEVEN, $800 MILLION.
YEAH, IT'S, YOU KNOW, THAT'S REALLY A DROP IN THE BUCKET.
AND SO WE, WE SHOULD STAY FOCUSED ON THE BIGGER PRIZE, I THINK.
UM, SO I I, SO I DON'T THINK FROM A CITY STANDPOINT, WE NEED A RESOLUTION FROM THIS GROUP TO SAY GO PASS THE LETTER OF SUPPORT.
I'D ALSO SAY, I THINK WE SHOULD PASS A RESOLUTION, UM, AND I'D COMMIT, WE'LL PUT IT ON OUR JUNE 13TH AGENDA FOR, FOR CONSIDERATION.
IF, AND IF SOMEONE'S GOT SOME LANGUAGE OF WHAT WOULD NEED TO BE INCLUDED.
SO I WOULD, IF THAT'S THE POSITION, MAYOR, UH, I WOULD OFFER THAT WE, WE FOR COUNTY, CITY OF PORT ROYAL AND, UM, CITY OF BUFORD, TOWN OF PORT, WELL, UM, ALL PASSED THE SAME RESOLUTION.
SO I DEFINITELY COULD TAKE A CRACK OF THAT AND SEND THAT TO STAFF OR ALL THE STAFFS FOR REVIEW.
AND IF THAT'S APPROPRIATE, THEN EACH OF THE STAFFS COULD LOAD IT TO THEIR COUNCILS FOR, FOR THIS JUNE, WHETHER NORTHERN REGIONAL RIGHTS, A LETTER OF SUPPORT OR NOT A MOTION, THE RESOLUTION WILL BE THERE.
DID YOU WANT I WANTED TO MOVE IT FORWARD.
WELL, I I, MY QUE FIRST QUESTION IS DO WE HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE RECOMMENDATION? AND IF WE COULD GO FORWARD WITH A RECOMMENDATION, I'D STILL WOULD HAVE TO GO BACK TO THE DETECTIVE, UH, ENTITIES, UH, DECISION BY THE BOARD AND COUNCIL.
I, I'D BE CONCERNED BECAUSE OF THE WAY THE AGENDA IS WRITTEN TO DO A FORMAL VOTE TODAY.
TH THAT WOULD BE JUST, YOU KNOW, WE CERTAINLY CAN TALK AROUND THE TABLE AND ENFORCE OUR OPINIONS AND I'LL, I'LL SUPPORT WHERE THE TOWN OF PORT ROYAL IS THE SAME AS THE CITY OF BURET AT THIS POINT IN TIME.
WE BELIEVE IT'S BENEFICIAL TO STAY AS ONE.
AND, AND WE DO HAVE IT AS AN ACTION ITEM ON FRIDAY WEEK.
WE'LL COMMIT TO OFFERS TO OUR COUNCIL MEETING IN JUNE AS WELL, BUT OUR MEETING IS LATER IN THE MONTH DUE TO SOME SCHEDULING CONFLICTS.
22ND WOULD BE OUR MEETING BEFORE THE RESOLUTION COULD, COULD OCCUR.
AGAIN, THEY WANTED JUNE 1ST SO THEY CAN DO PREPARATORY WORK ON THEIR SIDE TO GET READY FOR AUGUST 15TH FOR D O T.
SO IF, IF THE THREE COUNCILS COULD TAKE ACTION IN JUNE, REGARDLESS WHETHER IT'S NEXT WEEK OR IN THE NEXT THREE WEEKS, I THINK THAT WOULD STILL MEET.
AND WE HAVE COUNCIL MEMBER, COUNTY COUNCIL MEMBERS.
AND, AND I ASSUME YOUR RECOMMENDATION TO COUNTY COUNCIL IS WHAT? ONE ONE, AND I ASSUME COUNTY COUNCIL IS SUPPORTING JARED'S RECOMMENDATION.
YEAH, IT COULD GO TO WHATEVER COMMITTEES MEET NEXT, WHICH WOULD BE, YEAH, IT COULD GO TO ANY OF OUR COMMITTEES, I WOULD THINK.
SO WE COULD DO IT IN THE, THE SECOND WEEK OR THE FOURTH WEEK OF JUNE.
WOULD, WOULD THAT BE OURS TO THE PUBLIC FACILITY IF IT WENT, WE CAN FIGURE THAT PART OUT.
THE ALL PARTIES SEEM TO AGREE THAT WE'RE GOING FORWARD IN A SINGULAR DIRECTION, BUT FURTHER ACTION IS NECESSARY TO BRING THAT TO A CLOSURE.
THE LOGISTICAL QUESTION ABOUT THE TEMPLATE, UM, WILL WE GET THAT FROM D O T OR, I'VE ALREADY DRAFTED A, YOU GOT IT.
AND SO, AND I THINK IT MEETS THEY'RE, THEY WOULD SEND US A SIMILAR DRAFT RESOLUTION, BUT I THINK IT'S GETTING ALL THE MARKS ALREADY.
WELL, THANK YOU FOR TREMENDOUS DISCUSSION.
A REAL LEARNING PROCESS PLANNING WE HEARD FROM THE POLITICAL VOLUME.
HONESTLY, PLANNING WANTED TO CLARIFY REAL QUICK.
I KNOW Y'ALL ARE HAVING A LOT OF DISCUSSION THAT THE LETTERS OF SUPPORT SHOULD COME FROM EACH INDIVIDUAL JURISDICTION.
I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE CLEAR ON THAT.
KATHLEEN, DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING ELSE? OH, NO, I JUST WAS, THEY WERE WAITING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, I HEARD FROM YOU WITH THIS VE HEARD PLANNING, PLANNING STAFF.
WHAT'S, WHAT'S YOUR, WHAT'S YOUR THOUGHTS? I HEARD FROM OURS, HE SAID, STAY SINGLE.
I'M SAYING STAY ONLY THE 10 YEAR PERIOD RIGHT NOW.
WE'RE GONNA BE DOING COMPREHENSIVE PLAN UPDATES AT THE SAME TIME.
WE NEED TO BE DOING ALL THE LONG RANGE PLANNING UPDATES OR LONG RANGE PLANNING FOR A NEW MPO.
SO AS A, AS PLANNING STAFF IN THE TOWN, UH, IT, I THINK IT'D BE ON FEASIBLE FOR US TO YOU WANNA TAKE THAT ON? YEAH.
ROB, ANYTHING YOU, ROB, ANYTHING YOU WANT TO ADD? I MEAN, YOU KNOW, I I FULLY AGREE THAT OUR TRANSPORTATION ISSUES ARE, ARE MORE REGIONAL THAN, THAN THEY'VE EVER BEEN.
I THINK IT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, CONTINUING TO WORK COOPERATIVELY
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ACROSS THE REGION IS, IS THE BEST OPTION I COULD.AND I, AND, AND I THINK TO KNOW NOAH'S POINT, YOU KNOW, AND ALSO I THINK, UM, COUNCILWOMAN HOWARD MENTIONED THAT WE HAVE KIND OF 10 YEARS TO SEE HOW THIS WORKS AND, AND WHETHER THIS, THIS BEST APPROACH AND THEN WE'LL BE, HAVE A ROUND OF COMPREHENSIVE PLANS LATE IN THIS DECADE.
AND, UM, HOPEFULLY THAT'LL INFORM, I I WOULD RECOMMEND HAVING A DISCUSSION ABOUT THE EQUITABLE SPENDING THOUGH, UM, EQUITABLE FUNDING.
UM, JUST BECAUSE IT, I MEAN WE, WE HAVE THE CONNECTION, BUT IT REALLY IS SORT OF TWO TRANSPORTATION NETWORKS IN ONE REGION.
UM, SO IT, I WOULD JUST GO INTO THE CONVERSATION AT LA WITH THAT CAVEAT IN PLACE.
UM, JUST HAVE THE DISCUSSION AND SEE HOW PEOPLE FEEL.
THE FUNDING, YOU PUT THE, THE PLANS VOTED ON BY THE LA COMMITTEE SO THAT WITH THE JOINING, WE ARE ALREADY MEMBERS, SO THERE'S NO, THERE'S NO MEMBERSHIP CHANGES, RIGHT? NO, NO MEMBERSHIP CHANGES.
AND IN TERMS OF EQUITABLE, WE COULD, AS WE DO OUR NEXT PLAN UPDATE, WHICH, YOU KNOW, I, WE JUST DID ONE, BUT THE NEXT ONE'S COMING QUICKLY.
UM, WE, THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN TALK ABOUT AS WE'RE DETERMINING OUR PLANNING.
THE REASON I MENTIONED THAT IS JUST BECAUSE THE GROWTH IN HARDY BILL AND THE, THE BLUFF AND WEST AREA, WHICH IS HARDY AND NEW RIVERSIDE AND SO FORTH, I JUST THINK IS GOING TO INFORM SOME OF THE FUNDING CHOICES A LOT IN THE FUTURE.
SO, I MEAN, TO THAT POINT WITH THE MAP, IS IT, IS IT WORTH CONSIDERATION AS WE LOOK AT, LOOK AT MAP, POTENTIAL MAP CHANGES TO INCLUDE YASI AND IN OUR MAP AREA? UM, I DON'T THINK ANYBODY WOULD CONSIDER EMC.
WELL, WHEN, WHEN WAS THE LAST LAST MAP APPROVED? I MEAN, HARDY BILL WAS INCLUDED RIGHT? IN THE CURRENT MAP.
AND I MEAN, I, YOU COULD MAYBE MAKE THAT SAME ARGUMENT 10 YEARS AGO OR WHENEVER THE MAP WAS APPROVED.
UM, IT WAS SUPERIOR IN ABOUT 20 13, 20 15 SOMEWHERE HARDY WAS, UM, YEAH, HARDY BILL WAS, BUT HARDY'S ALREADY PART OF LIKE LEFTON WEST, THERE'S LIKE A 30,000, I THINK HER POPULATION IS 30,000, NOT ENOUGH TO HIT THAT 50,000 MARK THAT FH W LOOKS FOR.
UM, THEY'RE COMING UP CLOSE, BUT THAT'S GONNA BE, SO THIS DISCUSSION COULD BE HAPPENING AGAIN WHEN HARDY DONE.
THEY'RE GONNA HIT IT FOR SURE.
WELL, THEY'RE ALREADY, AND AGAIN, THEY'RE ALREADY INCORPORATED CUT, JUST THE ALIGNMENTS THAT'S AT LEAST 10 YEARS AWAY.
BUT THEY COULD, BECAUSE THEIR URBAN AREA IS SO CLOSE, THEY MIGHT JUST WEST, WE HAVE THIS BIG RIVER IN THE MIDDLE THAT, THAT JUST, THE CENSUS LOOKED AT THAT AND JUST SAID IT'S TWO FAR AWAY AND IT'S MADE TWO SEPARATE URBAN AREAS INSTEAD OF COMBINING THEM.
ANYTHING FURTHER ON THIS DISCUSSION WITH S D OT? D O T.
THANK YOU D OT, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR BEING PART OF A CONVERSATION.
THANK YOU FOR HOW WE GOT, CAN WE TALK ABOUT 95
WE'RE GONNA CONTINUE ON FOR ANOTHER 10 MINUTES.
THEY'RE ALREADY QUEUE TO OUR APPLICATION.
UM, UH, WE HAD A COUPLE LEFTOVER THINGS FROM THE LAST TIME.
UM, I THINK THERE WAS SOME INDICATION OF SOME, UH, RECONFIGURATION FOR NPC.
DOES ANYBODY WANT TO GIVE AN UPDATE ON THAT? YEAH, SO THE CITY OF BUFORD, UH, WE'VE HAD COUNCILS HAD TWO WORK SESSIONS, UM, TALKED WITH
UM, THE CITY OF EFFORT'S GONNA STAND UP OUR OWN, UH, PLANNING COMMISSION.
UM, BUT WE'RE ALSO GONNA COMBINE OUR DESIGN REVIEW BOARD WITH OUR PLANNING COMMISSION.
UH, THE GOAL IS TO CREATE A MORE COMPREHENSIVE REVIEW FOR DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS.
UM, WE'RE ALSO LOWERING THE THRESHOLD FOR DESIGN REVIEW PROJECTS, UH, FOR ALL COMMERCIAL PROJECTS TO GO IN FRONT OF OUR PLANNING, UH, AND DESIGN REVIEW BOARD.
OUR COMBINED BOARD, UM, RATIONALE IS, YOU KNOW, SINCE THE CREATION OF REGIONAL PLAN, WHICH WE, WE FULLY SUPPORT, THINK IT'S AN EVERGREEN DOCUMENT.
UH, WE'VE ALL PASSED FORM BASED CODES, UH, WHICH ARE VERY PRESCRIPTIVE IN TRYING TO SHIFT DEVELOPMENT INTO A SORT OF A DIFFERENT, A DIFFERENT WAY THAN HOW WE'VE AUTO ECCENTRICALLY DEVELOPED FOR THE LAST 40 OR 50 YEARS.
UH, WHICH IS A REAL CHALLENGE, WHICH I THINK MOST OF US THAT ARE, YOU KNOW, IN, IN PLANNING OR IN DEVELOPMENT RIGHT NOW UNDERSTAND.
UM, AND SO FOR US TO HAVE OUR OWN PLANNING COMMISSION THAT HAVE EXPERTS IN OUR CODE THAT WE CAN TRAIN, UM, THAT CAN WORK DIRECTLY WITH OUR STAFF, WE'RE ALSO MAKING SOME STAFF CHANGES AND BRINGING IN, UH, ARCHITECTS AND SENIOR PLANNERS, UM, TRYING TO RAMP THAT UP.
UM, IN ADDITION TO 140 PLUS CODE CHANGES OVER THE NEXT, UH, NINE, NINE MONTHS.
SO, UM, WE FULLY INTEND TO STAY WITH THE MPC UNTIL PORT ROYAL, UM, CAN STAND UP THEIR OWN PLANNING COMMISSION
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OR THERE'S SOME PLAN TO RUN CONCURRENTLY IF, IF WE WANT TO.BUT FROM THE CITY STANDPOINT, WE'LL START TAKING OUR, OUR PROJECTS, UM, TO OUR NEW STANDALONE PLANNING COMMISSION.
ANY COMMENTS FROM ANY OTHER? I'D JUST LIKE TO MAKE A COMMENT FOR THE RECORD THAT I, I DON'T THINK IS A GOOD IDEA, BUT, UM, I'VE EXPRESSED THOSE VIEWS AND EMAILS AND MET WITH OTHER CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS AND THE MAYOR AND, UM, I, I THINK THAT I'M NOT AN ELECTED OFFICIAL IN THE CITY OF BEFOR, SO IT'S NOT MY DECISION THERE.
THERE WAS ONE ISSUE ABOUT, UM, THE, THE MILITARY NOTIFICATION FOR FOLKS THAT HAVE, UH, CONCERNS ABOUT MILITARY OPERATIONS.
IT'S BEEN ON THE NPC AGENDA FOR 10, IT'S INCEPTION, UM, UNTIL WE HAVE COMMITTED TO PUTTING THAT ON OUR AGENDA AS A STANDING ITEM.
SO CITIZENS STILL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO COME AND SHARE CONCERNS.
UM, AND I'M GLAD TO SEE MARY RYAN HERE, UH, BECAUSE WHEN I LOOK AT THE NPI SORT OF MEMBERSHIP AND THE PURPOSE OF NPI, UH, THAT'S SORT OF THE OTHER RATIONALE FOR STANDING UP OUR OWN PLANNING D RRB, BECAUSE WE HAVE THIS COMMITTEE, I THINK WE'VE ALL MADE A COMMITMENT TO REESTABLISH THE NEIC MEETINGS.
UM, BUT I WOULD GO AS FAR AS SUGGESTING THAT MILITARY MAYBE HAVE A FORMAL SEAT, UM, ON THE NEIC, UH, COMMITTEE BECAUSE I REALLY THINK THEY, THEY NEED, I USED TO HAVE AN EX OFFICIO SEAT.
THEY UHHUH
YOU ARE SAME WITH SCHOOL, SAME WITH THE SCHOOL BOARD.
OPERATE THAT, I THINK WE STILL HAVE A SCHOOL BOARD, I KNOW, STILL HAVE SCHOOL BOARD.
DO WE NEED SOME SORT OF AN ACTION TODAY TO CONFIRM THAT? CAUSE I DON'T, I'M KINDA LOOKING TO JOE CAUSE HE KNOWS A HISTORY BETTER THAN, WELL, WE CAN CERTAINLY GO BACK AND SEE.
MAYBE WE CAN LOOK AT SOME OF THE ORIGINALS AND SEE IF THE SEAT WAS PART OF A FULL SEAT THAT THEY JUST STOPPED COMING.
WE'VE ALWAYS, WE'VE DON'T THINK IT WAS EVER IT WAS EX BECAUSE WE'VE ALWAYS KEPT THE SCHOOL BOARD ON HERE AND EVEN THOUGH THEY DIDN'T COME, THEY WERE SCHOOL BOARD YOU WAS ENOUGH.
SO I GUESS WE NEED TO REACH OUT TO THEM AND SEE IF THEY WANT AND, OKAY, WELL I'D MAYBE SUGGEST BETWEEN NOW AND NEXT MONTH, MARY RYAN, IF YOU TALK TO YOUR FOLKS AND WE'D PUT SOME THOUGHT INTO IT.
HOW IMPORTANT MILITARY OPERATIONS TO OUR COMMUNITY AND HOW BIG OF A SORT OF STAKEHOLDER YOU ARE.
UM, I THINK HAVING A, A FORMAL SEAT AT, AT THIS TABLE IF IT'S APPROPRIATE.
MAYBE THERE'S SOME GOVERNMENT REGULATION THAT PROHIBITS YOU FROM DOING THAT.
UM, BUT IF NOT, I, I WOULD WELCOME THE, THE MILITARY TO THE TABLE.
AND I I I WOULD SUGGEST THAT THE PUBLIC COMMENT BE MOVED TO THIS.
IF THE MP IF THE MPC BREAKS DOWN, IT IS GOING AWAY.
LET'S BE REALISTIC AT THIS POINT, THEN I SUGGEST THAT THIS BECOME THE BODY WITH AN AGENDA ITEM EVERY MONTH FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.
WE CAN ADD THAT FOR NEXT MONTH'S AGENDA, DISCUSS TOGETHER AS A TEAM.
BECAUSE AGAIN, YOU KNOW, EITHER THAT OR ALL, ALL COUNCILS HAVE TO ADD THAT TO THEIR MEETING.
SO WE EACH GOTTA HAVE A SECTION IN OUR MEETINGS FOR PUBLIC COMMENT OR THERE NEEDS TO BE A SINGLE LOCATION.
AND IF ESPECIALLY IF THEY HERE YEP.
ESPECIALLY IF WE ADD AS AN EXO OFFICIAL MEMBER, I THINK THIS WOULD BE THE APPROPRIATE PLACE TO MOVE THAT THAT'S HOW THAT CONVERSATION ORIGINALLY HAPPENED.
GOING TO THE, TO THE MPC AND THE NEW PROGRAM, UM, CENTENNIAL PROGRAM, MS. SP CAN BE PART OF THAT REVIEW PROCESS.
BECAUSE PARIS ISLAND'S GONNA HAVE SOME GREAT THINGS COMING HOPEFULLY TOO, RIGHT? YEAH.
AND THE AIR STATION THAT WAY IT'S A SINGLE PLACE.
ONE IS IN THE CITY, TWO ARE IN PORT ROYAL.
THAT WAY IT'S ONE LOCATION, ONE PLACE.
AND WE CAN DISCRIMINATE THE CONCERNS TO THE APPROPRIATE BODY.
JOE, WERE YOU SUGGESTING THAT IT NOT BE ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION AGENDAS THEN? CORRECT.
BUT THAT IT COMES, IT JUST TO BE MOVED TO HERE.
IT WAS ON THE MPC BECAUSE THE MPC WAS THE REGIONAL AND I, IN ALL THE BASES WE'RE IN THE MPC ZONE.
IF WE'RE, IF WE'RE ABOLISHING THE MPC, WHICH WE ARE, THEN I THINK IT SHOULD BE MOVED BACK TO HERE.
MAKES, I THINK THAT MAKES SENSE IN THAT WAY.
SO WE'LL WAIT TILL WE HEAR FROM THE MILITARY AND THEIR MEMBERSHIP.
BUT EITHER WAY, EITHER WAY I THINK IT NEEDS TO BE ON NEXT MONTH'S AGENDA TO VOTE TO, TO TAKE THAT ONTO ALL PERMANENT AGENDA.
SHALL WE CHOOSE, COULD JUST STATE WHAT THE VOTE WOULD BE TO MOVE THE PUBLIC COMMENT ABOUT CONCERNS ON THE THREE EXISTING MILITARY BASES TO THE, TO THIS MEETING FROM THE PUBLIC? FROM THE PUBLIC TO THIS MEETING.
UM, THEN THE PUBLIC NEEDS AN A AVENUE TO MAKE PUBLIC COMMENT REGARDING ACTIONS THAT THE MILITARY MAY BE TAKEN THAT THEY OBJECT TO OR, AND THE, YOU KNOW, TO FURTHER ON STEVENS' CONVERSATION, THE TOWN OF PORT ROYAL WILL STAND UP IT'S PLANNING COMMITTEE IN A TIMELY MANNER NOT TO AFFECT THE CITY OF BUFORD'S ABILITY TO HAVE TO RUN TO.
SO WE'LL TAKE THIS AS A DISCUSSION ITEM, NOT AS A VOTE AT THIS TIME.
SO THIS WAS JUST DISCUSSION, BUT NEXT MONTH IT'LL BE A VOTE.
NEXT MONTH I THINK TO, TO ADD THE AGENDA ITEM, BUT TO ALSO, IF Y'ALL ARE SUPPORTIVE, UM, TO ADD A FORMAL SEAT, UH, FOR MILITARY REPRESENTATION TO THE NORTH REGIONAL PLAN IMPLEMENTATION COMMITTEE.
I'M NOT SURE THEY CAN DO IT LEGALLY, BUT THEY CAN BE EXECUTED.
I'M SORRY, I HAVE TO STEP OUT.
DO WE NEED A RESOLUTION DONE MEMBERSHIP OR DO WE THINK THAT'S
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ALREADY A PART OF THE ORGANIZATION OR WHAT? UM, I THINK SHE NEEDS MILITARY SIT.YEAH, I THINK SHE NEEDS TO CHECK.
DO WE NEED TO APPROVE? ALL RIGHT.
UM, REGARDING NEXT MONTH'S AGENDA, IS THERE PARTICULAR ITEM ON THE ACTION OF THE POTENTIAL AGENDA TOPICS THAT YOU WANT TO BRING TO HIS FRONT FOR NEXT MONTH? ANY ADDITIONS? NO, WE DID, WE WE DID THE ADDITIONAL MPO NO, WE DID THAT.
IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE THAT YOU WANTED TO TALK ABOUT, UH, NEXT MONTH, THE KICKER? UM, SO, UH, COUNCILMAN BETH, YOU AND I AND STAFF, UM, HAVE TALKED ABOUT THE WOODS BRIDGE.
UM, WE'VE BOTH PROCEEDED SOME CONCERNS ABOUT THE BRIDGE OPERATING SCHEDULE AND NOTIFICATIONS.
UM, SO WE'RE GONNA BE MEETING IN THE NEXT COUPLE WEEKS, MAYBE AS A NPI ITEM.
UM, WE, WE COULD PROBABLY COME BACK WITH A RECOMMENDATION, UM, FOR REQUESTING THAT THERE BE A MODIFICATION TO THE OPENING SCHEDULE OF THE BRIDGE.
UM, AND THEN WORKING TO FIGURE OUT MAYBE SOME KIND OF DIGITAL NOTIFICATION YEAH.
UM, SO I JUST MAYBE THROW THAT ON THE TABLE CUZ I, WE, WE REACHED OUT TO, I GUESS IT WAS THE COAST GUARD.
UM, AND THEY HAVE BASICALLY COME BACK AND SAID NOW WE'RE NOT INTERESTED IN CHANGING IT.
SO, UM, YEAH, I THINK, I THINK IT WAS A COAST GUARD.
BUT WE, WE'VE RESEARCHED THE OTHER BRIDGES IN THE STATE, UM, AND THERE ARE SOME MORE FAVORABLE OPENING SCHEDULES, UM, THAT SEEM TO HAVE THE SIMILAR TRAFFIC COUNTS THAT WE DO.
SO I DON'T THINK IT'S UNREASONABLE TO ASK THEM TO GIVE US THE SAME SCHEDULE SULLIVAN'S ISLAND BRIDGE DOES.
UM, AND THEN SOME TYPE OF MAYBE NOTIFICATION AND, BUT I DO THINK IT'S GONNA TAKE SOME POLITICAL, SOME POLITICAL WILL TO MAYBE PUSH THE SCHEDULE DOWN ON SOME OF THE FOLKS.
WE'LL PUT IT ON THE AGENDA FOR NEXT MONTH FOR DISCUSSION.
I, I COULD GIVE A REPORT BACK FROM SOLO CAUSE WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT GROWTH BOUNDARIES WITH SOLO NEXT MONTH.
JUST GIVE A REPORT BACK AND THEN, SO I, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'RE NEED TO REVIEW OUR GROWTH BOUNDARIES NORTH OF THE BROAD AT THIS POINT, BUT, UM, I CAN AT LEAST REPORT BACK WHAT THEY'RE DOING.
ANYONE? I WOULD GO AHEAD WITH THE RISK OF OVERLOADING OUR AGENDA.
UM, COUNCILMAN NORTH OMAN AND I HAVE ALSO HAD A CONVERSATION ABOUT THE PUBLIC SAFETY, UM, NORTH OF THE BROAD.
I UNDERSTAND CITY MANAGER AND COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR HAVE HAD A, A CONVERSATION AS WELL.
UM, I, AND I DON'T KNOW IF IT IT'D BE BE PREMATURE, SCOTT KIND OF LOOKED TO YOU BY NEXT MONTH, UM, TO PUT THAT ON THE TABLE FOR THAT'S A HUGE SUBJECT.
IT IT IS, BUT IT ALL STARTS WITH, WITH THE REQUESTING A FORMAL STUDY OF THE EFFICIENCY IN OUR USE OF SERVICES AND TO BE SOME EFFICIENCY GAINED WITH YEAH.
A COMBINATION OF, OF, UH, SOME AGENCIES MM-HMM.
AND SO I THINK THAT CONVERSATION NEEDS TO START WITH THE COUNTY AND, UH, THE APPROPRIATE PLACE WOULD BE COUNTY COUNCIL TO MAKE THAT REQUEST AS MM-HMM.
SO I THINK THAT'S WHERE WE NEED TO START MAYBE AND SEE WHERE THE STUDY TAKES US.
STATUS OF JARED'S COME REPORT ON THE STATUS OF THAT OR SAFETY.
YOU BE IN POSITION REPORT ON THAT NEXT MONTH, THE STATUS OF THAT FIRST, FIRST, UH, THE COUNTY WOULD HAVE TO COMMISSION A STUDY.
SO I DON'T, I'M LOOKING TO JARED AND HE HEARD, I DIDN'T SEE IT IN THE, I DIDN'T SEE IT IN THE BUDGET.
WE DON'T HAVE IT AS A BUDGETED ITEM.
UM, BUT IT CAN BE BROUGHT UP PROBABLY THROUGH PUBLIC FACILITIES AND SAFETY COMMITTEE.
IF, IF COUNCIL WANTS STAFF TO LOOK AT THAT AND THEN WE CAN COME BACK WITH SOME RECOMMENDATIONS.
RECOMMENDATIONS OR COSTS OR WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE.
COST, WE NEED ESTIMATE OF COST AGAINST OWEN FROM A CITY STANDPOINT.
WE'D BE, BE WILLING TO PARTICIPATE.
UM, WE THINK THE STUDY'S THE GOOD FIRST STEP JUST TO SORT OF MAKE SENSE, BRING IN THE EXPERTS IN AND LET 'EM MAKE SOME RECOMMENDATIONS ABOUT EFFICIENT SERVICE DELIVERY.
BUT THOUGHT IT WAS ALSO APPROPRIATE TO HAVE THE TOWN OF PORT ROYAL, UM, ENGAGED IN THE CONVERSATION EARLY ON.
UM, THAT'S WHAT I WAS THINKING.
MAYBE THIS WOULD BE A FIRST GOOD STOP TALK ABOUT THE STUDY AND THEN WHO, WHO SORT OF TAKES IT FROM, TAKES THE BALL AND RUN FROM, FROM THE COUNTY'S PERSPECTIVE.
WE, I THINK THERE'D BE MORE INTEREST IN IT BEING A FULL COUNTY STUDY VERSUS A NORTH OF THE BROAD STUDY.
THE SAME, UM, EMS AND FIRE RESCUE, ALL THAT IS THE SAME THROUGHOUT, EVEN THOUGH IT'S DIFFERENT EMS, DIFFERENT FOLKS.
SO MAYBE NEEDS TO BE AGENDA 20TH.
YEAH, I THINK IT MIGHT BE PREMATURE.
I'LL JUST PUT IT DOWN AS A FEW ITEMS. THERE'S SOME SOMETHING YOU CAN UPDATE US ON THEN.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ITEMS FOR GOOD TO THE CLASS? ANYBODY? I DON'T THINK IT'S COURT NEXT MONTH, BUT, UH, I DUNNO.
S EXPERIENCE THE SAME, BUT YOU FOR JASPER MODERN AUTHORITY, YOU KNOW, THERE SEEMS TO BE A LOT OF OPPORTUNITY FOR COORDINATE SOMETHING, COORDINATION, SO YOU'RE LOOKING TO RECOMMEND A TOPIC OF DISCUSSION JUST TO, I DON'T THINK MAYBE NEXT WEEK SOUNDS LIKE THAT'S VERY BUSY, BUT
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JUST IN, UH, IN THE FUTURE, UH, JUST WE'RE HAVING A LOT OF ISSUES.THERE'S SOME CONCERNS WITH CAPACITY AND MAY HAVE A NEW GENERAL MANAGER.
IT MIGHT BE COOL TO INVITE HER IN TO INTRODUCE HERSELF AND MEET ALL OF OUR LEFT CASES.
SEAT, WE'LL PUT IT DOWN AS A FUTURE ACTION ITEM.
UH, BACK TO THE WOODS MEMORIAL BRIDGE.
JUST FOR, UM, SO THIS IS ALREADY A, AS I READ THE DETAIL, NOT A THIRD BRIDGE, BUT A REPLACEMENT OF THE SECOND BRIDGE POTENTIALLY, UM, THAT WAS CONTEMPLATED IN LATS HAS A LONG RANGE PLANNING, UM, STUDY.
I THINK IT'S THREE OR FOUR OR FIVE YEARS OUT, BUT IT WAS CONTEMPLATED.
SO IF THERE IS A DESIRE FOR THAT, IN ADDITION TO JUST THE TIMING, TIMING IS THE SHORT TERM, LONG TERM IS, IS THERE A STUDY NEEDED OR NOT? THERE HAS ALREADY BEEN A FEE FEASIBILITY STUDY LIKE IN 2006 OR EIGHT AND THAT GOT LOADED INTO 2006 SALES TAX.
I THINK A MILLION DOLLARS WAS APPROPRIATED TO DO A STUDY IN PRELIMINARY NPA ON THAT SECOND BRIDGE REPLACEMENT OPTION.
BUT IF THERE'S A DESIRE FROM THE NORTHERN REGIONAL, I THINK IT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE TO MAKE THAT, TO LAPSE FOR LAPS TO LOOK AT AND POTENTIALLY TUBE UP ON THEIR SCHEDULE, WHATEVER.
WE GOT A LOT MOVING UP ON OUR SCHEDULE.
SO YEAH, I'M TRYING TO ASK FOR WORK ON THAT, BUT IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I THINK THAT WOULD BE, WELL I THINK FOR THE LADIES ON PLAN THAT WE, WE ALL APPROVED IT WAS IT CALLED FOR A, A DELAY OF THE, OF THE CONVERSATION OF THE THIRD BRIDGE.
MEANWHILE WORKING TO REDUCE DENSITIES IN THE RURAL PARTS OF THE ISLAND WHILE TRYING TO REORGANIZE SORT OF THE VILLAGE CENTER TO CREATE MORE DAILY SERVICE OPPORTUNITIES, COMMERCIAL OPPORTUNITIES TO LOWER THE NUMBER OF TRIPS.
AND THE, THE CONCERN WAS, IS WHEN WE BUILD THAT THIRD BRIDGE, IT ACTUALLY INDUCES DEVELOPMENT DEMAND, WHICH JUST COMPOUNDS OUR PROBLEMS IN FORT ROYAL AND, AND THE CITY OF BUFORD.
SO I KNOW WE GOTTA HAVE THAT CONVERSATION AT SOME POINT.
UM, BUT YOU KNOW, IT'S THAT SORT OF TIMING, THAT TIMING ISSUE.
I THINK WE, THERE'S STILL A LOT OF WORK THAT WE CAN DO TOGETHER, UM, IN THOSE OTHER GOALS THAT WERE LAID OUT IN THE PLAN.
I WOULD JUST ENCOURAGE TO COME UP WITH A PLAN FOR THE WOODS MEMORIAL BRIDGE IS GREAT, BUT IT IS A VERY OLD PIECE OF INFRASTRUCTURE AND IF IT HAD SOME MECHANISM PROBLEM, IT WOULD CREATE A VERY SIGNIFICANT TRAFFIC BACKUP IN THE REGION.
AND NOT THAT YOU WANNA STUDY A SECOND REPLACEMENT BRIDGE FOR THE SAKE OF DEVELOPMENT, BUT FOR THE SAKE OF A CONTINGENCY PLAN.
THAT WOULD BE, I THINK, THE WAY TO COUCH IT.
NOT THAT IT NEEDS TO BE DONE TODAY OR TOMORROW.
JUST JARED, THAT'S, THERE'S A LEVEL OF CONCERN AND I, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, THAT'S A REAL FEAR.
I MEAN, IS THERE A CONVERSATION WITH D O T ABOUT THE CONDITION OF THE BRIDGE? THE PARTS REPLACEMENT PLAN, THE STANDBY, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT IS THE, SO DT WHAT ARE THE EMERGENCY PLANS WHEN THE S O P WHEN SOMETHING LIKE THAT GOES DOWN? YEAH, D T IS GOING TO PUT THEIR FULL FAITH AND EFFORT TO KEEP THAT BRIDGE OPERATIONAL, BUT IT'S, IT'S A VERY CHALLENGING PIECE OF INFRASTRUCTURE TO KEEP OPERATIONAL FOR THE NEXT 50 OR A HUNDRED YEARS.
JUST ENGINEERING AND MONEY, MAN.
I THINK, UH, UNLESS THERE'S ANY FURTHER COMMENTS, UH, THE MEETING IS ADJOURNED.