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WHICH COURT IS, UM, A QUARTERLY WORKSHOP.
FIRST OF ALL, I'M GONNA READ A CIVILITY PLEDGE.
WE PLEDGE TO BUILD A STRONGER AND MORE PROSPEROUS COMMUNITY BY ADVOCATING FOR SINGLE CIVIL ENGAGEMENT, RESPECTING OTHERS AND THEIR VIEWPOINTS AND DEFINING SOLUTIONS FOR THE BETTERMENT OF OUR TOWN.
WELL, SORRY, WITH PUBLIC COMMENTS.
ARE THERE ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS? I DON'T SEE ANY PUBLIC MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC.
SO MOVING FROM THERE, I NEED TO, YOU CAN READ THE WARNINGS SINCE THERE'S NO PUBLIC HERE,
SO I GUESS WE'LL MOVE ON TO THE, TO THE AGENDA ITEMS. SO OUR FIRST AGENDA ITEM FOR THE UPDATE IS ON SARAH RILEY HOOKS.
WE HAVE OUR TEAM FROM MEADS HERE THIS EVENING TO GIVE YOU THEIR MOST RECENT ASSESSMENT.
IF YOU RECALL, WHEN WE CAME TO YOU LAST IN OCTOBER OF 2022, WE HAD SOME IDEAS AND WE'RE LOOKING FOR SUGGESTIONS FROM COUNSEL ON WHAT DIRECTION TO TAKE THIS PARTICULAR FACILITY.
AND THE DIRECTION WE GOT WAS, LET'S DO AN ASSESSMENT OF THE CURRENT CONDITION, A THOROUGH ASSESSMENT OF THE CURRENT CONDITION OF THE HOME, WHAT WOULD BE THE COST TO REHABILITATE IT AND REUSE PIECES OF THE STRUCTURE IN A FUTURE USE, OR WOULD IT BE MORE ECONOMIC TO RECREATE THE STRUCTURE FROM NEW AND AGAIN, COMING BACK WITH THAT INFORMATION.
AND SO OUR TEAM IS HERE TO PRESENT THAT TO YOU THIS EVENING, AND THEN I'LL GUIDE YOU THROUGH DISCUSSION ON POTENTIAL USES FOR THAT STRUCTURE ONCE THEY GIVE YOU THEIR INFORMATION AS WELL AS THE GROUNDS IN, IN SURROUNDING THAT.
WITHOUT TURN IT OVER TO ADVANCE WITH.
WELL, THANK YOU FOR HAVING US AND ALLOWING US TO PRESENT OUR WORK, UM, TO Y'ALL.
UM, MY COLLEAGUES, PHILMORE WILSON AND BETTY PRIME, AND WE MAKE UP THE PRESERVATION, UM, PLANNING AND CONSERVATION DEPARTMENT AND MEADS IN CHARLESTON, SOUTH CAROLINA.
UM, WE HAVE BEEN TASKED TO ASSESS THE CURRENT CONDITION OF THE HISTORIC SARAH RILEY HOOKS COTTAGE, UH, AND DEVELOP A PRESERVATION RECOMMENDATION FOR THE, THE PRESERVATION OF THE STRUCTURE BASED ON THE BUILDING'S CURRENT CONDITION, UH, THE PRESENCE OF ANY EXISTING HISTORIC FABRIC, UM, AND CURRENT CONSTRUCTION COSTS.
UM, A FOLLOWING PRESENTATION WILL PROVIDE A BRIEF OVERVIEW OF OUR PRELIMINARY FINDINGS FROM THE STUDY.
UM, WE WILL SHARE WITH YOU OUR IDEAS ON THE EVOLUTION OF THE STRUCTURE OVER TIME.
UH, WE WILL LOOK AND IDEN LOOK AT AND IDENTIFY, UH, EXISTING CONDITIONS AND AREAS OF CONCERN.
UM, AND THEN WE'LL PRESENT OUR, UH, RECOMMENDED PROJECT APPROACH AND THE ASSOCIATED ESTIMATED PROJECT BUDGETS WITH THAT, THAT APPROACH.
UM, SO JUST TO ORIENT EVERYONE, UM, WE'LL JUST GO COUNTERCLOCKWISE AROUND THE BUILDING.
THIS IS THE BUILDING AS IT CURRENTLY EXISTS IN 2023.
UM, AS WE MOVE AROUND, YOU CAN SEE THAT THE BUILDING IS CLAD IN A VARIETY OF MATERIALS, UM, AND IS AN EXISTING STATE OF DECAY.
UM, IF WE GO TO OUR ROOF FOR OUR DRONE PHOTOS, YOU CAN ALSO SEE, UH, SEVERAL DIFFERENT ROOFING MATERIALS, UM, IN DIFFERENT ROOFING FORMS, WHICH INDICATE, UM, CHANGES IN CONSTRUCTION EVOLUTION OF THE BUILDING OVER TIME.
SO A GREAT DEAL OF OUR SITE WORK WAS REALLY FOCUSED ON UNDERSTANDING HOW THE BUILDING HAD EVOLVED, UM, AND WE WERE ABLE TO STUDY THE PLAN AND ROOF DIAGRAMS THAT WE DEVELOPED.
AND THEN IN ADDITION TO THAT, WE, BECAUSE OF THE CONDITION OF THE BUILDING, WE WERE ABLE TO REMOVE FINISHES IN ORDER TO REVEAL FRAMING BEHIND THAT, UM, WHICH REALLY TOLD A STORY OF EXACTLY, YOU KNOW, WHAT WAS THERE IN THE EARLY 1940S AND HOW THAT EVOLVED, UM, OVER TIME.
SO THIS IS THE 1940 ORIGINAL, UH, FOOTPRINT OF THE BUILDING, UH, CONSISTED OF A, UH, HIP ROOF IN THE FRONT AND A GABLE THAT CONNECTED IN THE BACK.
UM, THERE WAS THE EXISTING LIVING ROOM SPACE, AS WE SEE IT NOW WITH THAT CHIMNEY.
AND THEN THERE WERE TWO SMALLER BEDROOMS THAT ACTUALLY LED ONTO A SIDE PORCH.
UM, THAT PORCH HAS SINCE BEEN INFIELD.
AND THEN NOW WE HAVE THE FRONT PORCH, UM, WHICH WILL, YOU WILL SEE IN THE 1950S TO 1960S, UH, FLOOR PLAN OF THE BUILDING.
AND SO THE MAIN THING HERE THAT YOU'LL SEE IS THIS SIDE PORCH, WHICH WE THINK POTENTIALLY WAS A SLEEPING PORCH, WAS INFILLED.
AND THEY PUT IN A SOLID WALL HERE AND THEN INTRODUCED THIS OPEN FRONT PORCH.
UM, AND WE KNOW AT THAT TIME IT'S CONFIRMED THAT THE BATHROOM WAS LOCATED HERE, AND THERE WAS AN ADDITIONAL, UM, BEDROOM IN THIS AREA.
THEY ALSO REMOVED THE INTERMEDIATE WALL BETWEEN THE LIVING ROOM SPACES, AND THAT BECAME ONE LARGE ROOM AS A OPPOSED TO
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TWO SEPARATE ROOMS. SO HERE'S THE THIRD ITERATION.UM, WE KNOW THAT THIS IS EITHER AT THE SAME TIME PERIOD OF THE FRONT PORCH OR VERY CLOSE TO THAT TIME PERIOD.
SO POTENTIALLY AROUND THE 1960S, THERE WAS A SHED EDITION ADDED TO THE REAR OF THE STRUCTURE.
UM, AND THAT JUST SORT OF FIT DIRECTLY UNDERNEATH THE HIPS ROOF.
SO AS IT COMES DOWN, THAT NEW ROOF SORT OF SITS DIRECTLY UNDERNEATH IT.
AND THEN THE FINAL ITERATION HERE SHOWS THE ADDITION.
THAT WAS FROM THE 19, UM, SIXTIES, WHERE IT HAS THE KITCHEN LEADING INTO A FINAL 1970S EDITION, WHICH HAS, UM, A BEDROOM AND AN ADDITIONAL BATHROOM.
UM, ONE OF THE WAYS THAT WE WERE ABLE TO CONFIRM THIS, UM, EVOLUTION OF THE BUILDING WAS THAT IN THIS SECTION THAT'S LIME GREEN, ALL OF THE SIDING WAS APPLIED DIRECTLY TO THE FRAMING.
UM, AND THEN IN THIS GREEN SECTION HERE, IT HAD THE AGONAL SHEATHING BELOW THE SIDING, AND IN THE REAR STRUCTURE, THERE WAS PLYWOOD THAT WAS USED FOR THE SHEATHING.
SO IT WAS VERY CLEAR THROUGH THE BUILDING MATERIALS HOW THE STRUCTURE HAD CHANGED OVER TIME.
UM, AND THEN CLEARLY I THINK THROUGH THE, THE DRONE IMAGES, YOU CAN SEE THAT THE COMPLEXITIES OF THE ROOF, UM, ALSO BECAME, UM, MUCH MORE, UM, BUILT OVER OF THOSE OLD ROOFS.
SO A LOT OF IT, WHAT YOU'RE SEEING IS ACTUALLY INSIDE THE BUILDING IN THE ROOF LINE.
YOU CAN SEE OTHER AREAS OF ROOFS THAT WERE EARLIER THAT ARE STILL INTACT.
JUST A QUICK OVERVIEW OF THE BASIC, UM, UH, STRUCTURAL ISSUES WITH THE HOUSE.
UM, THE HOUSE WAS, UM, THE ORIGINAL PART OF THE HOUSE WAS FRAMED WITH, UH, NOMINAL, UH, MANUFACTURED LUMBER.
AND IT IS, UH, PLATFORM FRAMED, LARGELY PLATFORM FRAMED.
AND PLATFORM FRAMING IS A FRAMING PATTERN THAT COMES IN, IN THE EARLY 1930S.
SO THE MATERIALS OF THE ORIGINAL, UH, STRUCTURE AND THE FRAMING PATTERNS, UH, FIT WITH THE 1940S, UH, FOR THE HOUSE.
SEE, UM, THE EXTERIOR WALLS OF THE, I JUST, I'M GONNA LOOK AT THE, A LITTLE BIT ON THE ORIGINAL HOUSE FIRST.
THE EXTERIOR WALLS OF THE, OF THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURE ARE REALLY DETERIORATED, AND THEY ARE, THAT INCLUDES THE FRAMING, THE EXTERIOR SIDING, AND THE INTERIOR FINISHES.
UM, THE FRAMING AND THE SEAL PLATES, UM, ARE, UH, COMPLETELY BY GETTING AND DETERIORATED.
ANOTHER SHOT, TO GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE OF THE CONDITION CEILING FRAMING AND LARGE SECTIONS OF THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURE HAVE COLLAPSED, AND THE ROOF OF THE, UH, THAT, UH, FIRST EDITION SECTION HAS FAILED AND COLLAPSED INTO THE BUILDING.
AND THIS IS THE LATER EDITION, FIRST PHASE ONE, AND THEN PHASE TWO, WHICH IS ADDITIONAL, UM, BEDROOM AND BATH IN THE BACK.
AND THERE THAT ROOF HAS AND CEILING HAVE COMPLETELY FAILED, AND THE FLOOR SYSTEM HAS COMPLETELY FAILED.
THE FLOOR SYSTEM IN, UH, SUBSTANTIAL AREAS OF THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURE HAVE ALSO FAILED.
AND THIS IS BECAUSE CELL PLATES HAVE BROUGHT IT, AND THE BUILDING IS LIKE THIS.
IT'S, UM, PLATFORM FRAMED ON INDEPENDENT PEERS.
SO THERE'S NOT A LOT OF STRUCTURE HERE THAT COULD BE SAVED.
UH, BETTY'S GONNA TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THE RECOMMENDATIONS.
SO THAT GIVES YOU A REASONABLE IDEA OF SORT OF WHAT WE FOUND AS FAR AS THE GENERAL CONDITION IS CONCERNED.
SO LOOKING AT THE ESTIMATED PROJECT BUDGETS, WE APPROACH THIS IN TWO WAYS.
UM, ONE IS LOOKING AT AN OPTION OF RESTORING THE BUILDING BY BUILD, UH, CONSTRUCTING A COMPLETELY NEW FOUNDATION AND FRAMING, AND THEN APPLYING THE MATERIALS THAT WE'RE ABLE TO SALVAGE ON THE INTERIOR STRUCTURE TO THAT.
UM, AND THAT COST RANGE THAT WE'RE PRESENTING FOR THIS IS FIVE 50 TO SIX 50, UM, WITH A 20% PROJECT CONTINGENCY.
THERE'S A LOT OF UNKNOWNS IN A PROJECT LIKE THIS.
UM, AND SO WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S ALLOCATED FUNDS, UM, SO THAT WE CAN TAKE CARE OF ANYTHING THAT MIGHT COME UP.
UM, AND THEN THE OPTION TWO BUDGET IS TO REPLICATE THE BUILDING IN KIND BASED ON ITS ORIGINAL FOOTPRINT, WHICH IS THAT ORIGINAL LIME, GREEN L SHAPE OF THE FRONT HIP BUILDING WITH THE GABLE IN THE REAR.
UM, AND THAT WAS 390,000 TO $450,000.
UM, AND THAT ONE ALSO HAS THE, THE 20% PROJECT CONTINGENCY.
UM, WE INCLUDED A COUPLE OF ASSUMPTIONS BELOW IN OUR BUDGETS, UM, JUST SO YOU UNDERSTOOD WHAT WAS INCLUDED IN THIS.
UM, ONE IS THAT WE'RE ASSUMING THAT WE CAN REUSE THE EXISTING TAX FOR THE WATERING SEWER.
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THERE IS GONNA, THE CITY IS ACTUALLY GONNA BE TAKING CARE OF THE LANDSCAPING AND SITE WORK BUDGET PORTION OF THE PROJECT, AND THAT'S EXCLUDED FROM THESE NUMBERS HERE.AND THEN THE THIRD IS THAT, UM, IT EXCLUDES ANY HAZARDOUS MATERIAL ABATEMENT THAT CAN REALLY DRIVE UP A COST.
AND THERE HASN'T BEEN, UM, A HAZARDOUS MATERIAL STUDY YET TO UNDERSTAND EXACTLY WHAT WE HAVE HERE BASED ON THE PROFILE OF THE SECOND GENERATION SIDING WHEN THEY INFILL THE PORCH.
UM, WE THINK THAT'S ASBESTOS SIDING HAS ALL THE CHARACTERISTICS OF IT, BUT WITHOUT, YOU KNOW, CONFIRMATORY TESTING, WE CAN'T SAY DEFINITIVELY, BUT, UM, BASED ON OUR KNOWLEDGE, IT INDICATES THAT THAT IS IN FACT WHAT'S THERE.
UM, WE ARE RECOMMENDING TODAY THAT YOU GUYS PROCEED WITH THE OPTION ONE, WHICH IS TO COMPLETELY REBUILD, UM, THE FOUNDATION AND THE STRUCTURE OF THE BUILDING NEW, AND THEN TAKE THE SALVAGE ITEMS FROM THIS ORIGINAL 1940S FOOTPRINT AND REAPPLY THEM TO THE BUILDING.
UM, AND THE NEW STRUCTURAL FRAMING.
UM, AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT, THAT WE WANTED TO POINT OUT IS, OF COURSE, WE WILL BE USING MODERN MATERIALS.
SO MODERN NOMINAL FRAMING IN ORDER TO CONSTRUCT THE BUILDING.
UM, THIS BUILDING WAS CONSTRUCTED IN THE EARLIEST PERIOD WITH EARLY NOMINAL DIMENSIONAL FRAMING, BUT SAY FOR EXAMPLE, THAT MIGHT BE 3.75 INCHES, WHEREAS OUR NOMINAL FRAMING TODAY IS 3.5.
THOSE ARE SOME SLIGHT DIFFERENCES, BUT, YOU KNOW, IF YOU WERE TO GO BACK WITH IDENTICAL FRAMING, THAT WOULD BE A CUSTOM ORDER AND REALLY DRIVE UP THE PRICE.
WHEREAS IF YOU'RE ABLE TO BUY, UM, MEMBERS, YOU KNOW, OFF THE SHELF, IT CAN CREATE A MUCH MORE REASONABLE CONSTRUCTION BUDGET.
UM, AND THEN HERE IS JUST A PLAN OVERLAY, LOOKING AT THE PROPOSED FOOTPRINT OF WHAT WOULD GO BACK, WHICH IS THAT ORIGINAL FOOTPRINT FROM THE 1940S WITH THE 1950S FRONT PORCH, AND THEN THE INFILLED SIDE PORCH HERE.
UM, AND THEN WE CAN TALK ABOUT THIS, I THINK WE'RE RUNNING OUT OF TIME, BUT WE, WE CREATED A LIST OF, OF SALVAGEABLE ITEMS, UM, THAT COULD GO BACK INTO THE STRUCTURE.
AND JUST PROVIDE AN OVERVIEW JUST FOR LIMITED TIME JUST TO SHOW YOU THERE IS A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF MATERIAL, EVEN THOUGH THE STRUCTURE IS IN A STATED DECAY, SO THERE IS MATERIAL TO BE SAVED AND PRESERVED.
UM, IF OUR, UM, RECOMMENDED OPTION IS FOLLOWED, UM, AND THAT RANGES FROM WINDOW SSES, SOME DOORS, UM, TRIM PIECES, ET CETERA.
SO WHAT PERCENTAGE OF THE BUILDING WAS SALVAGEABLE THAT YOU COULD REUSE? SO NONE OF THE FRAMING, I WOULD SAY.
UM, I THINK FLOORING ON THE INTERIOR IS PROBABLY ABOUT 50%.
UM, ALL OF THE EXTENT HISTORIC DOORS COULD BE REUSED AND ALL OF THE SSES COULD BE REUSED.
UM, RIGHT NOW WE AREN'T MISSING ANYTHING THAT'S CURRENTLY THERE, BUT IF WE WENT BACK TO THE ORIGINAL L-SHAPED FRAME, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN IMAGINE NOW THERE'S SAY A BEDROOM CONNECTING TO ANOTHER ROOM AND THEY'VE CHANGED THE ACCESS POINTS.
SO PREVIOUSLY THOSE WOULD'VE BEEN A PAIR OF WINDOWS, BUT NOW IT'S A DOOR.
SO, YOU KNOW, WE WOULD HAVE TO RECONSTRUCT A PAIR OF WINDOWS FOR THAT LOCATION, BUT MAJORITY OF EVERYTHING IS STILL IN PLACE.
UM, WE DID FIND ALSO, YOU KNOW, ORIGINAL CEILING BOARDS AND ORIGINAL WOOD WALL BOARDS THAT ARE LOCATED BEHIND, UM, SOME OF THE LATER, UH, FINISHES.
SO, UH, OF COURSE YOU'LL HAVE SOME LOSS WHEN YOU REMOVE EVERYTHING.
SO LIKE WHEN I SAID WE WOULD HAVE 50% OF THE FLOORING, THERE'S PROBABLY 70% THERE, BUT WE KNOW WE'RE GONNA HAVE ADDITIONAL LOSS WHEN IT GETS REMOVED BECAUSE THERE'LL BE PIECES THAT BREAK, THERE'LL BE PIECES THAT HAVE MORE DAMAGE THAN WE CAN SEE FROM ABOVE.
AND YOU SAY THE UNDERSIDE HAS BEEN EATEN OUT BY TERMITES, SO YOU'RE GONNA HAVE MORE LOSS.
SO WE'VE MADE ASSUMPTIONS FOR THAT.
AND THE, UH, THE APPROACH TO, YOU KNOW, REFRAMING, I KNOW IT'S BUILDING NEW, AND THEN IN FILLING WITH MATCHING MATERIAL, UM, FOR THE FINISHES WHERE IT SHOWS AND SALVAGING ALL OF THE FINISHES AND WINDOWS AND DOORS THAT WE COULD, THE FRAMING, WHEN THIS BUILDING WAS BUILT IN THE 1940S, IT WAS BUILT WITH ALT LUMBER.
AND IT'S NOT AS THOUGH, YOU KNOW, THIS WAS CUT AT THE MILL FIVE MILES DOWN THE ROAD, SPECIFICALLY FROM THIS BUILDING.
LIKE YOU MIGHT, YOU WOULD FIND IN 19TH CENTURY OR, YOU KNOW, MID 19TH CENTURY BUILDING.
AND SO IT, UH, YOU'RE SORT OF REPLACING INKIND WITH INKIND IN A WAY HERE BY MODERN MATERIAL.
I THINK IT WOULD BE A SUBSTANTIAL COST SAVINGS OVER TRYING TO SALVAGE A LITTLE IS LEFT OF THAT ORIGINAL MATERIAL.
WHEREAS HERE WE FOUND EVIDENCE, YOU KNOW, AT EYE LEVEL YOU WOULD REMOVE A SIDING BOARD AND EVERYTHING BEHIND IT HAD TURN LIMIT DAMAGE.
SO, YOU KNOW, THE, THE STRUCTURAL DAMAGE IS GOING ALL THE WAY UP TO THE ROOF.
BRIDGET, ANY QUESTIONS? NO, I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS I GOT BEFORE WE GET TO RECOMMENDATIONS COUPLE.
I DIDN'T CATCH THE PERCENTAGE OF REUSABLE, JUST I KNOW YOU CAN'T SAY EXACTLY.
IS IT 10? IS IT, WE WE ESTIMATED
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THAT ON THE, ON THE ORIGINAL PART OF THE HOUSE, WHICH IS WHAT WOULD BE, UH, RECONSTRUCTED MAYBE 50% OF THE SIDING.AND IT'S VERY NICE SIDING AND IT'S, IT'S KIND OF, IT'S A LITTLE DIFFERENT.
IT'S GOT GREAT DETAIL AND SO IT'S, IT'S DEFINITELY WORTHWHILE SALVAGE IN.
AND WE ESTIMATED MAY PROBABLY ABOUT 50% AND THE FLOORS ARE A LITTLE HARDER TO TELL BECAUSE THEY'RE, THEY'RE SO COVERED, THE ORIGINAL FLOORS ARE SO COVERED.
BUT YOU, YOU PROBABLY COULD GET ABOUT 50% OF THE FLOORS.
I'M NOT SURE THAT THAT'S A REALLY SOUND FIGURE, BUT GENERALLY IN A CONDITION LIKE THIS, YEAH, WE FOUND THAT, YOU KNOW, WE USUALLY GET ABOUT, WE CAN SALVAGE ABOUT 50% AND THEN THE, THE REST COULD, AND OF THE EXISTING WINDOWS IS A HUNDRED PERCENT, THERE'S EIGHT EXISTING SASH SASH SETS.
UM, THOSE CAN ALL BE SALVAGED.
THERE ARE, YOU FOUND ONE IN THE ATTIC AS WELL, SO THERE'S SOME SURPRISE TO THEM.
THERE'S FIVE DOORS, THERE'S A MANTLE, ALL OF THOSE ELEMENTS CAN BE REINSTALLED.
SO GO BACK TO THE FIRST SLIDE FOR A MINUTE WHERE THE PRICING WAS AT.
SO YOU'RE RECOMMENDING OPTION ONE? YES.
YOU'RE RECOMMENDING OPTION TWO? NO, IT'S OPTION ONE.
AND, BUT YOU HAVE HAZARDOUS MATERIAL.
BASICALLY WHAT YOU'RE KIND OF SAYING IS ON OPTION ONE, I'M GUESSING YOU STILL HAVE TO ABATE THE HAZARDOUS MATERIAL, RIGHT? SO YOU WOULD HAVE TO DO THAT EVEN IF YOU EITHER WAY DEMOLISHING THE STRUCTURE.
UNLESS YOU BUILD NEW WELL, NO, BECAUSE THE HAZARDOUS MATERIALS HAVE TO BE ABATED AS YOU DECONSTRUCT IT.
SO THAT HAPPENS WHETHER YOU'RE I GOT GETTING RID OF IT OR IF YOU'RE TRYING TO SALVAGE, YOU JUST HAVE TO SAFELY DISPOSE OF ANYTHING.
UM, AND THEN OF COURSE, IF YOU'RE TRYING TO KEEP SOMETHING THAT HAS HAZARDOUS MATERIALS ON TOP OF IT, THAT PROCESS MAY BE SLOWER THAN IF YOU WERE TO JUST SAY, WE'RE TAKING THIS TO THE LANDFILL.
SO THERE IS A PRICE DIFFERENCE, BUT YOU STILL HAVE TO DEAL WITH THE HAZARDOUS MATERIALS NO MATTER WHAT APPROACH YOU TAKE.
SO THE, UM,
UM, WHAT, WHAT JUST MEANING THAT WAS OUTSIDE OUR SCOPE, WE WERE DEALING JUST WITH THE STRUCTURE ITSELF, AND THEN I THINK THERE WAS A SEPARATE LANDSCAPE PLAN, TALKED ABOUT THE USE OF YOUR COLUMNS, YOUR PEERS OR WHATEVER.
ALL THAT IN THERE AND THE DISPOSAL, DISPOSAL OF EVERYTHING ELSE.
YES, IT'S IN THERE, IT'S INCLUSIVE, AND THEN TYING INTO, YOU KNOW, ALL OF THE SYSTEMS THAT, THAT'S INCLUSIVE IN OUR PROJECT, BUT IT'S JUST THINKING ABOUT THE BUILDING ITSELF AS ITS OWN ENTITY.
SO CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, I'M ALWAYS LOOKING AT THE NUMBERS STUFF.
UM, THIS IS A SIMPLER CONSTRUCTION.
WHEN YOU LOOK AT WHAT SQUIRE POPE WAS, IT WAS HIGHER THAN THAT.
IT WAS OVER $1,200 A SQUARE FOOT.
UM, BUT BECAUSE OF THE SIZE AND SCALE OF THIS, IT'S JUST, IT NEVER REALLY EQUATES ONE TO ONE TO ONE OF THOSE PROJECTS.
AS THEY GET LARGER, IT'S LESS EXPENSIVE PER SQUARE FOOT.
AND THE, THE 837 OR 36 SQUARE FEET IS ONLY THE ORIGINAL HOUSE.
BUT WE ARE, BUT WE SAID THERE'S THREE DIFFERENT HOUSES, RIGHT? I MEAN THERE'S EVOLUTION.
SO WHAT WE ARE SAYING WE ARE PROPOSING TO GO BACK WITH IS THE EXISTING CONFIGURATION AS IT IS NOW, WHICH IS THIS, THESE TWO ROOMS AS A BEDROOM AS OPPOSED TO THE SIDE PORCH AND THEN HAVING THE FRONT PORCH ON IT, BUT NOT THE DARK GREEN AND NOT THE PURPLE.
THERE REALLY IS NO HISTORIC MATERIALS OR SALVAGEABLE MATERIAL IN THESE TWO SECTIONS.
IT'S REALLY INFERIOR CONSTRUCTION.
AND SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE PERCENTAGE OF ITEMS THAT WE CAN SAVE, THEY ARE ALL LOCATED HERE.
WE HAVE NOTHING FROM THESE TWO SPACES ESSENTIALLY.
AND BECAUSE THOSE ARE ALSO WHERE WE HAVE THE LARGE ROOF LEAKS, SO ANYTHING THAT COULD HAVE POTENTIALLY BEEN SALVAGED HAS NOW BEEN LOST.
AND I'M SURE WE'LL BE TALKING OVER WITH THE REST OF THE CREW AS WE MOVE FORWARD, SO, RIGHT.
GLAD Y'ALL GOT THE OTHER ONE BACK ON THE GROUND TOO.
APPRECIATE YOUR TIME AND HAVING SOME GREAT WORK.
OH, AND NOW YOU GOT ME ON THAT.
SO BUILDING OFF OF THAT INFORMATION, I NEED TO TAKE YOU THROUGH DISCUSSION OF POTENTIAL USES BOTH OF THE BUILDING AND OF THE GROUNDS FOR SARAH RILEY HOOKS SO THAT WE GET SOME CLEARER DIRECTION ON WHAT OUR NEXT STEPS ARE WITH THE C I P TEAM.
UH, JUST A LITTLE REMINDER FOR
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FOLKS, WE DID HAVE A SURVEY BASED ON THE OCTOBER, 2022 WORKSHOP THAT WE HAD WITH Y'ALL.YOU SAID, LET'S GET SOME PUBLIC INPUT.
SO WE CREATED A SURVEY THAT WAS DISTRIBUTED DURING THE ARTS AND SEAFOOD FESTIVAL, AND THEN WAS KEPT ONLINE THROUGH JANUARY OF THIS YEAR TO DATE, 318 RESPONSES.
AND OVERALL, YOU CAN SEE THERE WAS, UH, A MAJORITY OF FOLKS THAT WERE REALLY INTERESTED IN SEEING THE COTTAGE BEING USED AS POTENTIAL PARK SPACE OR USE ITSELF, RESTROOMS AND OR CLASSROOM EDUCATIONAL SPACE.
AND ECHOING THAT IDEA OF A CLASSROOM, A MUSEUM INTERPRETIVE CENTER WERE HEAVILY, HEAVILY WEIGHTED FOR THE USE OF THE BUILDING POTENTIAL USES FOR THE LAND ITSELF.
SO THE GROUNDS, YOU CAN SEE THIS HAD MUCH MORE OF A, A DISPERSE RESPONSE TO IT.
WHAT REALLY HIT HIGH IN GENERAL THOUGH, WAS THE FACT THAT FOLKS WANTED TO SEE SOME MULTIPURPOSE TRAILS, SOME ACCESS OR BOARDWALK TO U G COVE, AS WELL AS KEEPING FLEXIBLE AND OPEN LOUNGE SPACE AVAILABLE.
WE ALSO RECEIVED GENERAL WRITTEN COMMENTS.
THERE WAS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR FOLKS TO PROVIDE THAT.
SO THESE ARE JUST SUMMARIZED FOR THE TOP FIVE WRITTEN COMMENTS FOR BOTH THE COTTAGE, AGAIN, ECHOING WHAT PEOPLE REALLY HAD CHECKED.
UM, IN THE SURVEY ITSELF, THEY PUT THAT INTO WRITING AS WELL, WITH HAVING EDUCATIONAL SPACE AND OR ART MUSIC SPACE.
THERE WAS EVENT SPACE RESTROOMS AND EDUCATION LAND USE.
AGAIN, PEOPLE WANTED TO SEE IT OPEN AND GREEN, PERHAPS LIMITED ACCESS TO THE CODE WITH NATURE WALKING TRAILS, SMALL SH SHELTERS OR PARKS OR PURLOW LOW LOW ON PARKING.
SO WHEN WE BROUGHT THAT FORWARD TO YOU, WHAT WE HEARD BACK FROM YOU WAS WHAT YOU JUST DID GET THE ASSESSMENT OF THE FEASIBILITY AND COST TO REHABILITATE OR TO RECONSTRUCT THE STRUCTURE.
AND I WILL START USING THEIR TERMINOLOGY INSTEAD OF MY TERMINOLOGY SO THAT IT MATCHES WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT EITHER RESTORING WITH SALVAGE MATERIAL OR REPLICATING IT.
UH, OPTION ONE OR OPTION TWO, AS THEY JUST SAID, OTHER CLEAR DIRECTION YOU GAVE TO US WAS REGARDLESS OF WHAT USE WAS, MAKING SURE WE INCORPORATED THE HISTORY OF THE FAMILY AND POTENTIALLY THE GROUNDS AS WELL, ENSURING THAT WE KEPT THAT PUBLIC ACCESS, BUT WERE MINDFUL AND COGNIZANT THAT THIS WAS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND SO NOT TO HAVE AN ADVANCED SPACE, UM, AND HEAVY RENTALS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
UH, KEEPING IN MIND, AGAIN, SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD, NOT HAVING A KAYAK LAUNCH WITH THE FEASIBILITY IN QUESTION THAT, YOU KNOW, IS THAT REALLY AN AVAILABLE USE ANYWAY, BUT PERHAPS NOT HAVING BOARDWALK DOWN INTO THE ACCESS POINT OF A COVE.
SO YOU REQUESTED US TO COME BACK AND TALK ABOUT THE FUTURE FOR THE BUILDING WITH SOME CONCEPTUAL PLANS AS WELL FOR THE GROUNDS.
AND SO THAT'S WHY I'M HERE IN FRONT OF YOU NOW.
SO BASED ON WHAT WE'VE HEARD FROM THE PUBLIC OUT OF THE SURVEY AND SOME OF THE PRIOR DISCUSSIONS THAT WE'VE HAD WITH COUNCIL, THIS WILL INFLUENCE THE DIRECTION YOU GIVE US ON HOW WE WORK WITH MATTERS ON OUR NEXT STEP, WHICH WILL BE THE TRUE PRESERVATION PLAN AND CONSTRUCTION DRAWINGS.
AND POTENTIALLY DEPENDENT UPON THESE USES WILL MAY HAVE TO EXPAND THE FOOTPRINT BEYOND WHAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT, UM, AND OR OBVIOUSLY UPGRADE IN CERTAIN SECTIONS.
IF YOU WANT PUBLIC RESTROOMS, THAT'S GONNA TAKE SOMETHING DIFFERENT THAN, THAN PROBABLY WHAT THEY WERE ANTICIPATING.
SO THAT'S WHY I'M HERE TODAY IS TO HAVE THIS DISCUSSION WITH YOU.
WHAT WE'VE HEARD FROM THE PUBLIC ARE THESE SEEM TO BE THE TOP REQUESTED USES OF THE BUILDING ITSELF.
AND WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT THE GROUNDS, BUT JUST THE BUILDING COUNCIL'S THOUGHTS ON HAVING SOME TYPE OF ANOTHER MUSEUM INTERPRETIVE CENTER, PERHAPS SIMILAR TO THE GARVIN GARVEY HOUSE.
UM, DO WE SUPPORT OUR ARTS AND DO WE HAVE VISUAL AND PERFORMING ARTS IN A SMALL VENUE OF MUSIC SPACE, WHICH COULD SUPPORT ALSO AN ARTIST IN RESIDENCE OPTION.
UM, I THINK LAST TIME WE WERE IN FRONT OF YOU, YOU WERE NOT TOO KEEN ON PUBLIC RESTROOMS IN THIS PARTICULAR LOCATION, BUT AGAIN, JUST BECAUSE IT WAS THERE IN A TOP MENTION, WE WANTED TO GIVE THAT OPTION.
UH, AND I THINK THE EDUCATION FACILITY REALLY IS REITERATING THE FACT OF FOLKS WANTING TO SEE MUSEUM OR INTERPRETIVE CENTER AS WELL, OR IF THERE ARE ANY OTHER THOUGHTS THAT COUNCIL MAY HAVE ON POTENTIAL USES FOR THE BUILDING.
UM, SO I, UM, LOVE ONE, THE, THE WORK THAT YOU ALL DID IN, IN GATHERING PUBLIC INPUTS AND SURVEYS AND EVERYTHING, UM, GOING BACK TO THE ORIGINAL PURPOSE AND WANTING TO PUT THIS ON, UH, COUNCIL'S RADAR AND THE TOWN'S RADAR TO SAVE THE SARAH RALLY
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HOOKS COTTAGE, UM, I THINK SHOULD BE A PART OF WHAT WE LOOK AT.IT'S, IT'S FUTURE USE WOULD BE.
AND THAT IS IDENTIFYING THAT IN, IN CONSTANTLY CHANGING ENVIRONMENT.
WE ARE LOSING THE, THE VISIBILITY OF SOME OF THE, UM, ORIGINAL REPRESENTATION OF THE TOWN IN TERMS OF THE, THE PRESENCE OF, UM, OF NATIVES TO THE AREA, SIMILAR TO SARAH RILEY HOOKS, WHO WERE DEFINITELY GREAT CONTRIBUTORS.
SO MY RECOMMENDATION, UM, FOR IT, UM, AND SIMILAR TO TO MERE SOKAR, I SPOKE WITH HER ALSO IS GOING ON NOT JUST THE ARTISTS AND RESIDENTS, UM, I THINK IS A GOOD IDEA, BUT TO NOT LIMIT IT JUST TO ARTISTS ALSO LOOK AT IT IN A SENSE OF, UM, WHETHER IT'S AN ARTIST, WHETHER IT'S A MUSICIAN IN RESIDENCE, WHETHER IT'S A CRAFTSMAN, UM, WHO HAS A PARTICULAR SKILL AND WOULD USE IT ALMOST LIKE A REALLY, THE ENTIRE SPACE WOULD BE LIKE A FLEX SPACE THAT ANYONE IN, UM, THAT CATEGORY COULD COME IN AND HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO U UTILIZE IT.
BECAUSE CURRENTLY WE DON'T REALLY HAVE A SPACE, UM, THAT MANY OF OUR MINORITY RESIDENTS HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO KIND OF TAP INTO SOME OF WHAT OTHERS ARE, ARE ABLE TO HAVE, UM, ACCESS TO.
AND I THINK THIS WOULD BE A WAY TO HELP KIND OF LEVERAGE, UH, EQUAL FOOTING AND KIND OF HELP PRESERVE, UM, SOME OF THAT, THAT FULL STORY SCOPE.
I ALSO THINK BY HAVING IT AS A FLEX SPACE, YOU COULD EVEN MARKET IT TO, UM, SARAH RILEY HOOK STRENGTH, AND SHE WAS ONE OF THE FIRST BLACK RNS IN BLUFFTON.
AND THERE IS A RISE WHEN IT COMES TO DOULAS AND MIDWIVES, UM, BEING ABLE TO HAVE A SPACE WHERE EVEN THEY COULD COME IN, UM, WHETHER IT'S ON A MONTHLY BASIS OR WHATEVER IT IS, TO, AS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE HISTORY OF WHO SHE WAS AND THE THINGS SHE CONTRIBUTED, GIVING THEM AN OPPORTUNITY TO, UH, BE ABLE TO FOLLOW IN, IN THAT SAME SUIT.
UM, AND I DON'T KNOW WHO'S AGAINST PUBLIC RESTROOMS, BUT I THINK IN HAVING A SPACE THERE WHERE YOU WOULD DO THAT, AND IF THAT OUTDOOR AREA IS BEING BUILT, UM, IN A WAY THAT'S GONNA BE A PASSIVE PICNIC AREA, I'M SURE MICHAEL C. RILEY IS GONNA USE THAT AS AN OPPORTUNITY TO BRING THEIR KIDS OVER TO LEARN ABOUT THE SCHOOL'S NAMESAKE.
AND I WOULD LOVE THAT THE CHILDREN AND WHOEVER USING THE FACILITY WOULD HAVE A, A PLACE TO, TO BE ABLE TO USE RESTROOM AS WELL.
AND YEAH, I WAS, I DON'T THINK I WAS THE ONLY ONE AT THE TIME, BUT I, I WAS GONNA ASK THE QUESTION ABOUT, YOU KNOW, I DIDN'T WANNA SEE A PUBLIC RESTROOM FACILITY, JUST BASICALLY THAT'S THE MAINSTAY OF IT.
IT NEEDS TO BE MORE IMPORTANT THAN THAT.
AND I WAS TRYING TO THINK, WE GOT, YOU GOT THE OYSTER FACTORY PARK, AND THEN YOU GOT NUMBER DOWN THE STREET OVER THERE AT, UH, THE, UM, MARTIN FAMOUS PARK.
SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT LIKE THEY'RE NOT NEARBY, UM, REGARDING THE U USAGE OF IT, UM, WHETHER IT'S AN INTERPRETIVE CENTER OR, OR WHATEVER.
I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY WE WANT TO PLAY TO THE HISTORY JUST SAME AS ME WITH THE GAR GARBY HOUSE.
I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH USE THE GAR GARBY HOUSE GETS, UH, AS FAR AS ON TOURISM, THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO I WANT TO BE CAREFUL THAT WE DON'T DO ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
UM, THE OTHER PART OF IT IS, I, I WOULD SAY WHATEVER WE CHOOSE TO DO, WHETHER WE PUT AN ARTIST IN THERE OR HOWEVER WE UTILIZE IT, THEN WE CAN ALWAYS COME BACK A YEAR OR TWO LATER AND DO AN EVALUATION TO SEE IF IT'S ACTUALLY WORKING OUT FOR EVERYBODY, BECAUSE THANKS CHANGE.
AND YOU MAY PUT SOMEBODY IN THERE AND THEY DON'T STAY BUT 12 MONTHS OR WHATEVER IT MAY BE.
SO I THINK WE JUST, AS LONG AS WE HAVE THE OPTION TO GO BACK.
SO OTHER THAN THAT, I, I'M OPEN-MINDED, UM, TO THE USE OF IT.
I'M, I'M, UH, I DON'T HAVE MY MIND MADE UP.
UH, I DO KNOW THAT IT CREATES A LOT OF MOVING PARTS WHEN YOU DO IT.
LIKE WE DO, LIKE THE GAR HOUSE IS NOW GAR GAR, YEAH.
YOU KNOW, IT'S, PEOPLE COME THERE TO SEE IT AND ADMIRE IT AND THEY'RE INTERESTED, BUT THEY CAN'T OPEN THE DOOR AND GO IN MM-HMM.
SO WHEN YOU GET TO THAT POINT, THEN THAT MEANS IF YOU'RE GONNA MAKE IT, MAKE IT ACCESSIBLE TO THE PUBLIC AND TO OUR TOURISTS AND JUST PEOPLE WHO WANT TO LEARN MORE ABOUT OUR HISTORY, GET INTO EMPLOYEES, YOU KNOW, SOME, SOMEBODY'S GOTTA BE THERE, RIGHT.
SOMEBODY'S GOTTA TAKE, TELL THE STORY OR WHATEVER.
SO, UM, THAT'S THE, THAT'S, I DON'T WANT TO CREATE ANOTHER THING, EVEN THOUGH, I MEAN, HER STORY IS AWESOME.
I KNEW HER PERSONALLY AND SHE WAS AWESOME, BUT WE NO NEED TO BUILD IT AND HAVE THE DOORS CLOSED SO PEOPLE CAN'T GO IN AND LEARN MM-HMM.
SO THOSE THINGS REALLY NEED TO BE WORKED OUT MORE SO
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EVEN WITH THE MAJORITY OF COUNCIL WAS RIGHT.CAUSE YOU TIME YOU ADD AN EMPLOYEE, YOU'RE ADDING, WELL, I THINK LOT MORE IN THAT WAY.
YOU KNOW, THAT STORY COULD BE NO DIFFERENT THAN I'M, UH, WITH YOU, LARRY, THE MUSEUM INTERPRETER CENTER, ESPECIALLY IF IT'S SIMILAR TO GOVAN GARVEY.
IT'S NOT THE BEST USE I THINK OF, UM, ALL THAT SPACE.
BUT YOU CAN HAVE THAT STORY SIMILAR TO HOW WHEN YOU WALK UP TO MARTIN FAMILY PARK, UM, THE STORY THAT'S THERE OF, UM, MR. MARTIN AND MS. IDA MARTIN AND THEIR CONTRIBUTIONS, I THINK WOULD BE A, A GOOD WAY.
BUT IN, UM, WHETHER IT'S ARTIS AND RESIDENT, THE FLEX SPACE, WHATEVER IT IS, I THINK THAT'S GONNA LEND ITSELF MORE TO OUR, UM, DRAW ON LOCALS AND TOURISTS AND BEING ABLE TO REALLY CAPTURE LEARNING ABOUT IT OPPOSED TO HAVING A SPACE THAT'S GONNA BE SHUT UP.
UM, AND GETTING TO A ISSUE OF STAFFING AND OTHER THINGS, ESPECIALLY IF WE'RE MOVING TOWARDS HAVING THAT ROLE AND FUNCTION KIND OF COVERED AT, UM, THE SQUIRE POPE.
I THINK, UM, THE AVENUE IN THIS AREA, IF WE'RE GONNA SPEAK TO THE ESSENCE OF, UM, WHO IT'S NAMED AFTER, WE SHOULD KEEP THAT, KEEP THOSE THINGS IN MIND.
YOU'RE THINKING, I THINK I'M HEARING MORE ALONG THE LINES OF LIKE A CO-OP, POTENTIALLY.
AND ARTIST CO-OP, ESPECIALLY HITTING TRADITIONAL CRAFTS MEAN, LET ME, YEAH.
AND NOT JUST LIMITED TO, YOU KNOW, LIKE A VISUAL ARTIST OR A PAINTER, BUT YOU KNOW, ARTIST, ANYONE THEY HAVE IT WOULD WORK IN MUSEUM.
I WANTED TO SAY THAT FOLLOWING THAT, I WAS THINKING THE SAME SIMILARITY.
UM, AND BRIDGES, LARRY GREW UP HERE, SO THEY KNOW THIS, BUT CALHOUN STREET, WHEN BLUFFTON WAS LITTLE, IT WAS KNOWN AS A ARTSY, UNIQUE, I CAN THINK OF OTHER WORDS, BUT, UH, WON'T USE AS A MAIN STREET.
IT WAS A DIFFERENT KIND OF ARTSY, FEELGOOD KIND OF PLACE.
AND AS TIME IS GONE BY AND WE BECOME MORE SUCCESSFUL, A LOT OF THOSE ARTISTS HAVE NOW DISSIPATED AND YOU'VE GOT REAL ESTATE COMPANIES OR ATTORNEYS, ET CETERA, THERE.
WE DON'T HAVE THE ART COMMUNITY THAT WE ONCE HAD THAT WAS THRIVING IT SEEMED AT ONE POINT.
SO I, I THINK THAT, AGAIN, IF WE CAN FOLLOW SOMETHING ALONG THAT VENUE, IF WE CAN FIND THE RIGHT PEOPLE, OR MAYBE YOU ALTERNATE PEOPLE OUT SO MANY MONTHS THROUGHOUT THE YEAR, ANYTHING LIKE THAT I THINK WOULD BE HELPFUL.
SO YOU CLEAR AS MUD NOW? I THINK I, YES.
I MEAN, I THINK WHAT I'M HEARING IS, LET ME ITERATE SOME OF THESE POINTS, MAKE SURE I CAPTURED THEM.
THAT WE REALLY DO WANT TO CAPTURE WHAT THE ESSENCE OF BLUFFTON WAS IN REFLECTING TRADITIONAL CRAFTS AND ARTS, MANSHIP AND ARTISTRY IN ALL FORMS, MOVING AWAY FROM MAYBE SOME OF THE GENTRIFICATION THAT'S HAPPENED ON CALHOUN STREET AND BACK TO KIND OF WHAT BLUFFTON WAS, THE STATE OF MIND IN REPRESENTING IT IN THIS PERHAPS THROUGH A CO-OP.
AND THAT DEPENDS ON HOW THAT LOOKS AS A, AS A, AS AN OPEN FLEX SPACE THAT MAYBE AS WE HAVE ARTISTS THERE, THEN IT'S OPEN TO THE PUBLIC FOR PEOPLE TO COME IN.
YOU HAVE AN ARTIST SITTING THERE TALKING ABOUT THEIR CRAFT, WHAT IT IS THEY'RE DOING.
WE HAVE INTERPRETIVE PANELS THAT ARE BOTH INSIDE AND OUTSIDE OF THE FACILITY, OBVIOUSLY THEN WE HAVE SOME RESTROOMS INSIDE TO SUPPORT NOT ONLY THE ARTISTS OR CRAFT SMITH PEOPLE ON SITE, BUT ANYBODY WHO WOULD BE VISITING, WE COULD POTENTIALLY LIMIT HOURS THEN TO WHEN WE HAVE SOMEBODY, EITHER IF IT'S ONE PERSON BEING FEATURED OR IF IT'S A GROUP OF FOLKS COMING IN THAT THAT'S OPEN IN ANOTHER DRAW.
DOES THAT, I THINK, AND, AND THOSE, THOSE DEFINITIONS OF THE FUTURE USE, WE DON'T HAVE TO GET TOO FINE TUNED ON THAT AT THIS POINT.
OUR MAIN GOAL, I WOULD THINK IS TO, WE'RE GONNA USE IT FOR, FOR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
SO THAT SHOULD BE ENOUGH FOR THOSE GUYS TO GO ON.
THAT'S WHAT THEY NEED, RIGHT? IS SOME KIND OF DIRECTION.
AND WE NEED TO KNOW, ARE WE THINKING OF SOMEBODY LIVING THERE OR WE JUST OPENING IT UP AGAIN, LIKE A CO-OP DURING CERTAIN HOURS FOR PEOPLE TO COME IN, WELL, JUST FOR BEDROOMS AND THAT KIND OF THING.
BUT THAT COULD BE, I GUESS YOU GOTTA TRY TO BUILD THE ROOMS BACK TO IT'S ORIGINAL DESIGN THIS WAY OR, OR CLOSE TO OR, OR CLOSEST YOU CAN GET, WHATEVER.
I MEAN, THE ROOM IS, COULD BE HAVE PICTURES IN IT OR A ROOM COULD HAVE A BED AND TELEVISION HANGING ON THE WALL.
YOU KNOW WHAT, AT SOME POINT, YOU KNOW, DISAPPOINTED, YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING, AS FAR AS CONSTRUCTION, THEY'RE NOT GONNA BUILD IT ANY HEAVIER DUTY OR FOR, I WOULDN'T THINK.
UM, AND IF IT'S BEING DONE, UM, TO MIMIC THE SIMILAR FOOTPRINT OF THE ORIGINAL, UH, WHICH IS CONSIDERED A HISTORIC, THEN, YOU KNOW, ON THE INTERIOR PART OF IT, UNLESS IT'S GOING TO, UM, LEND ITSELF TO LIKE STRUCTURAL,
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UM, DAMAGE, I WOULD SAY, DO WE NEED TO KEEP BOTH ROOMS ON THE INSIDE IF YOU'RE TRYING TO MAKE IT COMPLETELY OPEN FOR A FLEX SPACE? AND IS IT POSSIBLE TO KEEP THE ONE BEDROOM AND, UH, HAVE MORE SPACE FOR THE, THE REMAINDER OF IT BECAUSE 836 FEET, IT'S NOT THERE, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT, NOT A LOT OF ROOMS, SO YOU ALSO DON'T WANT TO, YOU KNOW, UM, BUILD IT TO A STANDARD TO WHERE YOU CAN'T DO ANYTHING ELSE WITH IT.AND WE'RE DEFINITELY NOT, UM, AGAIN, WE'RE LOOKING TO HAVE A SPACE THAT'S GONNA BE FULLY FUNCTIONAL TO BE UTILIZED.
SO I THINK THAT SHOULD BE A CONSIDERATION AS WELL.
I TELL YOU, I, I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU DO ABOUT IT, BUT I, THINKING BACK, YOU KNOW, LIKE WHEN JACOB WAS TOSSING HIS POTS OVER THERE MM-HMM.
PEOPLE, I MEAN, HE WAS LIKE AN ICON.
OF COURSE HE DOESN'T DO THAT ANY LONGER.
AND I'M, I'M NOT SAYING GO FIND SOMEBODY THAT DOES THAT.
SO, I MEAN, HAR IT'S EASIER SAID THAN DONE.
BUT ANYWAY, I, I, I THINK WE ARE MISSING SOME OF THAT, WHAT USED TO BE EXHIBITED HERE IN OUR, IN OUR DNA I GUESS IS WHAT I'M GETTING AT.
AND THEN, AND THEN TO THE OTHER PART OF IT, WE CAN ALWAYS SHOWCASE THE HISTORY OF THE RILEY'S YES.
ON THE WALLS AND OTHER THINGS, PLAQUES, WHATEVER WE WANNA SAY TO ABOUT THEIR STORY, WE CAN DEFINITELY ACCOMPLISH ALL THAT.
PART B, YOU ASKED US TO COME BACK WITH SOME CONCEPTUAL SITE PLANS, AND SO WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH OUR, UM, LANDSCAPE ARCHITECTS ON THIS AND JUST TO WALK YOU AROUND AND I'VE GOT THE MAGNIFIER POINTER, SO EXCUSE ME, AS I WALK YOU AROUND THE BUILDING JUST TO ORIENT YOU, IT WOULD HELP IF I PUSH THE RIGHT THING.
WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THE ORIGINAL FOOTPRINT OF THE HOUSE.
THERE MAY BE THE POTENTIAL, AND THIS IS SOMETHING WE COULD POTENTIALLY VISIT IN FUTURE, UH, FISCAL YEARS AS WE COME BACK AND REEVALUATE, USES THE HASH IN LINE BEHIND THE BUILDING IS IF WE WERE TO REPLICATE WHAT IS EXISTING THERE AND CURRENTLY THE METAS TEAM IS TELLING US WE SHOULD TEAR THAT DOWN.
SO THAT'S WHAT THAT IS REPRESENTING IN GENERAL.
WE'RE LOOKING AGAIN TO TALK ABOUT A LOT OF OPEN SPACE AND, UM, PATHWAYS AROUND AND WORKING THROUGH THE SPACE, WHICH IS REFLECTIVE OF WHAT WE HEARD IN THE SURVEYS WITH MINIMAL PARKING ON SITE.
UH, WHAT WE'RE TALKING THEN IS A SMALL ACCESS WAY, POTENTIALLY UP TO FOUR PARKING SPACES, MOVING TOWARD THE COVE AND HAVING OPPORTUNITIES WHERE WE COULD LOOK INTO THE COVE, UH, WITH, THROUGH SOME VIEW, UM, VIEW WINDOWS OR CORRIDORS, IF YOU WILL, VIEW SHEDS, UPLIGHTING, TREE CANOPY, UH, UH, SMALL CONCRETE WIDE WALK, SIX FOOT WIDE WALK.
AND WE'LL COME BACK TO THIS BOARDWALK, UM, IDEAS.
WE WALK DOWN BRIDGE STREET TOWARD CALHOUN STREET.
UH, ANOTHER FEATURE THAT WE ARE CONSIDERING PUTTING IN RIGHT NOW, AND I HAVE SOME, UH, TYPICALS TO SHOW YOU IN A SECOND, THERE'S A GREAT OAK ON THERE, IS CREATING, UH, AND TRELLIS AROUND THAT FOR FOLKS TO SIT UNDER.
THIS AGAIN, COULD BE, UM, INTERPRETIVE SPACE, NOT ONLY WITH PLAQUES, BUT ALSO YOU COULD HAVE STORYTELLING OR SOMETHING ELSE IF AGAIN, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT USING, UM, USING IT FOR AN ARTIST IN REPLICATING SOME OF THE HISTORY THAT WE'VE SEEN ON CALHOUN STREET.
ONE ITEM OF INTEREST, AND I, I REALLY WOULD LIKE YOUR FEEDBACK ON THIS ONE IS A POTENTIAL COVE OVERLOOK.
AGAIN, THERE WAS CONCERNS ABOUT ACTUAL ACCESS DOWN INTO THE COVE, BUT PERHAPS THERE'S, UM, AND I'LL AGAIN SHOW YOU ALMOST A, A PAVILION AT THE TOP ON THE BACKSIDE OF, OF THE BLUFF ITSELF, JUST SO PEOPLE CAN SEE DOWN INTO IT.
SO I WOULD LOVE TO TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THAT IN A SECOND.
AND THEN YOU CAN SEE THE 25 FOOT OCR R M SETBACK AND THEN CURVING BACK AROUND AND WORKING THROUGH THE BACK OF THE BUILDING.
THIS POTENTIALLY COULD BE A BACKYARD GARDEN AREA AND OR OUTWARD EDUCATION SPACE, AND YOU CAN SEE PERHAPS AN OPTIONAL BUILDING EXTENSION IN THE FUTURE IF NEEDED.
AND, UM, KEEPING, KEEPING A PRIVACY WALL, RESPECTING AGAIN THAT WE ARE RIGHT UP AGAINST A NEIGHBOR IN THIS AREA.
ALL OF THOSE FEATURES, EXCEPT FOR THE BOARDWALK, ARE ALSO LISTED IN THE PLANNED FEATURES.
BULLETED LIST SPACE OR LISTED, UM, SPACES THAT YOU'VE SEEN.
ONE THING THAT WE ARE DEFINITELY RECOGNIZING IS THE SAFETY, AND WE'VE BEEN ANOTHER COUNCIL PRIORITY OBVIOUSLY IS PEDESTRIAN SAFETY AND CONNECTIVITY.
RIGHT NOW THERE IS NO CONNECTIVITY ACROSS THE COVE OF U G COVE, SO WE COULD POTENTIALLY LOOK AT GETTING, UM, A BACK AND OUT OF EASEMENT OUT OF THE RIGHT OF WAY SO WE DON'T NEED TO MESS WITH D O T, UH, BOARDWALK ACROSS THE COVE.
AND THEN CREATING A SMALL, UH, CONNECTION COMING ALONG
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THE CURRENT HAR GRAY BUILDING AND UP ALONG MONTESSORI SO THAT YOU HAVE THAT SAFE CONNECTION TO CALHOUN STREET.WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT OUR BRIDGE STREET STREET SCAPE EXPANSION, THAT REALLY IS LOOKING AT MAINTAINING THE SIDEWALKS THAT ARE CURRENTLY ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE STREET, BUT NOT EXTENDING SIDEWALKS ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE STREET.
SO AGAIN, WE WOULD NEED PROBABLY EITHER A PEDESTRIAN CROSSOVER AT SOME POINT AND OR IF THERE'S A FEASIBILITY TO BUILD AT LEAST A SIDEWALK DOWN TO WHARF STREET SO THAT WE HAD THAT SIDEWALK ON BOTH SIDES.
HOWEVER, AT THIS POINT WHAT WE'RE RECOGNIZING IS IF WE'RE GONNA DRAW PEOPLE TO THIS SITE, WE NEED TO GET THEM SAFELY THERE AND MORE THAN LIKELY FROM CALHOUN STREET SINCE THAT IS, YOU KNOW, SUCH A, A HEAVILY VISITED AREA.
UM, WHAT THE SEATING THAT YOU HAVE HERE, YOU SAID UNDER THE, UM, SPECIMEN OAK, UM, I'M INTERESTED TO KNOW LIKE WHAT STYLE OF SEATING HAVE YOU ALL OR HAVE YOU, UM, PLOTTED IN THERE? WHAT ARE YOU LOOKING AT? SO THE CURVE TRELLIS AREA WOULD BE REFLECTIVE OF WHAT'S ON THE BOTTOM LEFT, VERY, VERY OPEN.
SO AGAIN, TRYING TO KEEP THAT VIEW CORRIDOR, NOT TALKING ABOUT BOXING IN AND NOT HAVING ACCESS, VISUAL ACCESS TO THE BUILDING, THE NATURAL TREES ON SITE, NATURAL FEATURES, ARBOR SWING, VERY REFLECTIVE, SIMILAR IN NATURE TO WHAT WE HAVE DOWN TO TOWARD DE BOWES IN THAT AREA.
RE UM, REMEMBERING FROM THE SURVEY THAT YOU HAD UP ON, WHAT'S MOST IMPORTANT, LEAST IMPORTANT? I DO REMEMBER ONE WAS, UM, HAVING PICNIC UH, SHELTERS IN AREAS I WOULD LIKE TO SEE MORE.
MORE SEATING IN TERMS OF LIKE THE PICNIC STYLE, UM, SEATING THERE, BECAUSE IF WE'RE GONNA HAVE IT, A FUNCTIONALITY FOR, UM, KIDS, STUDENTS, WHOMEVER TO BE ABLE TO COME OVER WOULD BE NICE THAT, UM, THOSE LOOKING TO HAVE AN OUTDOOR CLASSROOM WOULD HAVE A SPACE FOR KIDS TO SIT.
UM, I, I'VE, THE WHOLE TIME I'VE BEEN FORTUNATE ENOUGH TO SERVE ON THIS COUNCIL.
I'M JUST EXTREMELY PLEASED CONTINUOUSLY HOW WELL WE DO PARKS.
I THINK WE'VE MADE A REPUTATION AS A COMMUNITY AND A TOWN THAT DOES THAT WELL.
AND, UM, AND I LIKE BRIDGE'S IDEA ABOUT THE PICNIC TABLES AND SO FORTH, BUT, UH, I LIKE IT, UM, WHETHER YOU TRY TO TAKE A SIDEWALK ALL THE WAY DOWN TO WHARF STREET, THAT COULD BE CHALLENGING.
HE COULD BE, UM, YOU MAYBE HAVE A CROSSOVER SOMEWHERE, YOU KNOW, WOULD BE A LITTLE MORE REALISTIC.
UH, I LIKE GOING ACROSS THE COVE IF WE CAN MAKE THAT CONNECTION.
I THINK IT LOOKS NICE AND I CAN'T WAIT TO SEE THE RESULTS.
UM, YEAH, IT'S, IT'S BEAUTIFUL THE WAY IT'S DRAWN AND ALL THAT.
I JUST HAVE SOME RESERVATIONS ABOUT LIKE THE PLACE ON THE COVE MM-HMM.
UM, THIS WHOLE AREA IS KIND OF GONNA BE OUTTA SIGHT AND OUTTA MIND, YOU KNOW, AND SOMETIMES YOU BUILT SOMETHING REALLY NICE AND OUT OF THE WAY WHERE THE GENERAL PUBLIC, I CAN'T SEE WHAT'S GOING ON.
YOU CREATE A SPOT OF POSSIBLE HANGOUTS OR WHATEVER WHERE THE STUFF YOU DON'T WANT TO GO ON, THAT'S THE BEST PLACE TO HIDE.
SO THAT'S WHERE IT'S GOING TO GO ON.
UM, SO THAT COUNT, YOU CAN'T WORRY ABOUT THAT ALL THE TIME, BUT EVEN IF YOU'RE GONNA HAVE PLACES LIKE THAT, THAT I THINK IT WOULD HAVE TO BE LOCKED OR, YOU KNOW, ACCESSED, COULDN'T BE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT WHEN THE YOUNGSTERS WANT TO GO.
UM, AANA IF YOU GET OUTSIDE OF OR HAVE TO WHERE THERE'S, UM, ALSO LIKE, UH, SENSORY LIGHTING AND STUFF THERE THAT, YOU KNOW, DOESN'T LEAVE IT DARK, YOU KNOW, IN THE SENSE OF YOU'RE ALWAYS GONNA HAVE THE RASH MAYBE OF, UM, A SELECT MINORITY WHO'S GOING TO DO CERTAIN THINGS, UM, BUT DEFINITELY DON'T WANT THAT TO IMPEDE THE BENEFIT TO THE LARGER MAJORITY WHO IS GONNA RESPECT AND APPRECIATE, UM, WHAT YOU HAVE THERE.
I THINK, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, WE SEE THE REPORTS NOW JUST EVEN AT OUR PARKS.
ALL OF OUR BATHROOMS GETTING TRASHED AND YOU KNOW, I MEAN, WHETHER IT'S PUTTING UP MORE CAMERAS OR WAYS TO DO IDENTIFY OR PREVENT, UM, YOU KNOW, TAKING A LITTLE MORE PROACTIVE APPROACH WITH ITS LIGHT AND WHATEVER IT IS.
I, I, I THINK, AND I, BRIDGET, I THINK WE'RE GOING TO BE DEALING WITH THESE ISSUES REGARDLESS TO SOME DEGREE, AND I HEAR LARRY AND I RESPECT
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THAT.I, I JUST, THAT'S JUST THE WORLD WE'RE IN TODAY.
SO I THINK WE HAVE TO FIND PREVENTATIVE MEASURES AS BEST WE CAN TO, TO DEAL WITH IT.
BUT, UH, I DON'T NEED A WAY TO GO BACK.
IT'S, I, I MEAN ONE OPPORTUNITY WOULD BE TO MOVE IT INTO A MORE VISIBLE SPACE, BUT UM, UP TOWARD BRIDGE STREET, BUT THEN REALLY YOU'RE LOOKING ACROSS THE COVE TO THE BACK OF THE HAR GRAY BUILDING, WHICH CURRENTLY ISN'T AS YES, SCENIC THAT THIS LOCATION IS WHERE THE COAST SPLITS AND RUNS UP BEHIND LAWRENCE AND THEN TOWARD THE WEST.
UH, THAT'S WHY, THAT'S WHY THAT LOCATION IS BEING PROPOSED.
UM, TECHNICALLY WE WON'T ALLOW ANYONE TO DO, TO BUILD IN THAT AREA.
I MEAN, A PRIVATE RESIDENT, RESIDENT OR PROPERTY OWNER COULDN'T BUILD THAT IN THAT 25 FOOT BUFFER.
WE WOULD HAVE TO WORK WITH PLANNING ON THAT AND OCRM, BECAUSE RIGHT UP IN THE, AND IT HAS THE OCRM SETBACK LINE.
IS THAT THE GRAY PART? BUT THERE, YEAH, THERE'S THAT POINT ABOVE WHICH THIS IS OUT OF THE CRITICAL ZONE AND IT'S ACTUALLY CONSIDERED A BLUE LINE DITCH, WHICH IS WHY YOU SEE SOME OF THE DEVELOPMENT ALONG LAWRENCE STREET THAT YOU DO NEAR TO THE COVE.
SO THIS IS RIGHT IN THAT AREA.
I'D HAVE TO CHECK WITH THE CHECK WITH THE ARCHITECTS ON THAT, THE LANDSCAPE ARCHITECTS.
ANYTHING ELSE? SO JUST SOME QUICK NEXT STEPS BECAUSE I KNOW WE'VE, WE'VE GOT A LOT MORE TO GET THROUGH.
THIS WAS THE BIGGEST, THIS WAS OUR BIGGEST CHUNK OF INFORMATION TO WORK THROUGH, SO THANK YOU SO MUCH.
SO WITH YOUR DIRECTION, RIGHT, WE'LL WORK WITH OUR, OUR, OUR LANDSCAPE ARCHITECTS TO MODIFY THE PLANS, UM, GIVE, GIVE BACK THAT FEEDBACK THAT YOU GAVE TO US, TO THEM.
WE'LL WORK WITH MATTERS TO GO AHEAD AND DO THE CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS AND MOVE THROUGH PERMITTING, UH, THROUGH THE NEXT FISCAL YEAR, WE'LL BE COMPLETING OUR SITE DESIGN AND SITE DEVELOPMENT, BOTH FOR THE STRUCTURE AND FOR THE GROUNDS, AND THEN LOOKING TO CONSTRUCT IN 2025.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? WELL, THE, THE, THE SITE DESIGN'S GONNA COME BACK BEFORE US, RIGHT? OR, OR I MEAN CAN, IF YOU WANT IT TO.
WELL THE, THE ENTIRE COUNCIL'S NOT PRESENT, SO, UM, AND NOT, YES, BECAUSE WE'RE MOVING FROM CONCEPTUAL NOT, BUT I, YEAH, WE'RE MOVING FROM CONCEPTUAL AS WE MOVE INTO PRELIMINARY PLANS AND GETTING IT A LITTLE BIT MORE SOLID WITH THIS FEEDBACK, WE CAN COME BACK TO YOU AGAIN DEFINITELY AT ANOTHER WORKSHOP.
UM, REAL QUICK, IS THIS BEING RECORDED OR NOT? UM, BEAVER COUNTY IS BACK THERE, I BELIEVE.
THEN ALSO WHAT THEY CAN DO, LARRY, IS WATCH THIS VIDEO ON THIS SEGMENT IF THEY SO DESIRE.
BUT I MEAN, WE STILL HAVE TO COME BACK FOR THE MONEY.
YEAH, NO, I KNOW, BUT I WAS SAYING THEY, THEY CAN GET EVERYTHING THAT WAS SAID RIGHT HERE WITH THIS BEING AS IMPORTANT AS IT IS, ESPECIALLY AS IT'S TALKING ABOUT RENOVATING THE CO RENOVATION RECONSTRUCTION OF THE COTTAGE AND HAVING THE DISCUSSION WE HAD HERE.
I THINK IT'LL BE GOOD TO BRING IT BACK.
OTHER WORDS, IT'S PROBABLY NINE OR 12 MONTHS WITH THE FINALIZED DESIGNS BEFORE WE GET READY TO GO TO CONSTRUCTION TO MAKE SURE WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE BEFORE WE MAKE THIS BIG OF AN INVESTMENT ON THE SITE.
THIS ONE REALLY IS MORE OF AN UPDATE OYSTER FACTORY.
WE CURRENTLY HAVE THE PARKING LOT EXPANSION ONGOING AND WE ALSO, YOU JUST AWARDED THE CONTRACT LAST WEEK FOR SOME LANDSCAPE AND HARDSCAPE IMPROVEMENTS ASSOCIATED WITH THAT CURRENT C I P PROJECT.
BUT MOVING THROUGH AND, UH, OUR MASTER PLAN, WHICH 20, I'M NOT GONNA READ ALL OF THIS AGAIN.
THIS IS HERE, UH, 2021, WE CAME FORWARD WITH THE MASTER PLAN AND COUNCIL FEEDBACK WAS TAKEN AND TO RELOCATE THE PLAYGROUND AWAY FROM THE PAVILION, ADD THOSE PARKING IMPROVEMENTS WHICH ARE CURRENTLY HAPPENING, INCLUDE ADDITIONAL SIDEWALK AND PATHWAY IMPROVEMENTS, WHICH ARE HAPPENING AS WELL.
AND THEN THE EVENT AREA IMPROVEMENTS INCLUDING POWER AND ACCESS.
AND THAT'S REALLY WHAT I WANNA FOCUS ON WITH Y'ALL TODAY.
MORE HISTORY AND VARIATIONS OF THE MASTER PLAN UPDATES.
JUST A QUICK REMINDER OF WHAT WAS PRESENTED BACK IN 2021, WHICH REALLY SHOWED THAT WE HAD, UH, SOME DECKING AREA AND SEATING WALLS A BANDSTAND.
YOU NOTICED THE TREEHOUSE WAS ORIGINALLY, UM, PROPOSED ON THIS PARTICULAR PARCEL OF OYSTER FACTORY PARK.
WE HAD THE EXISTING PAVILION AND BUILDING A DECK OFF IT, AND YOU'RE GONNA SEE A LITTLE BIT OF CHANGES FROM WHAT WAS PRESENTED IN 2021 AS TO WHAT I'M BRINGING
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FORWARD TO YOU CURRENTLY THIS EVENING.WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT NOW, UM, IN THIS ENLARGEMENT WAS MOVING THE, UM, MOVING THAT TREE HOUSE, WHICH IS HERE.
YOU CAN SEE THAT WAS DECIDED BY BOTH BEAUFORT COUNTY AND TOWN COUNCIL NOT TO BE A GOOD SPOT FOR THAT AND TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE KEEPING THE FEEL OF THE OVERALL PARK AREA.
SO WHEN WE TOOK THAT 2021 PLAN BACK TO BEAUFORT COUNTY FOR THEIR COMMENTS AND APPROVAL IN 2022, WE MADE SOME CHANGES THAT REFLECTED THE FEEDBACK THAT WE RECEIVED FROM BEAUFORT COUNTY AS WELL.
THAT WAS REDUCING THE AMOUNT OF PARKING THAT WE ORIGINALLY HAD PROPOSED IN THE ENHANCED PARKING LOT, AGAIN, WHICH CURRENTLY HAPPENING, HAVING MORE OPEN GREEN SPACE AND THEN MOVING THAT TREEHOUSE OVER TOWARD THE GARVIN GARVEY SIDE OF THE PARK.
AND THAT'S REFLECTED IN THIS 2022 MASTER PLAN.
SO AGAIN, WE'LL SEE THAT WHERE THE BANDSTAND IS STILL BEING PROPOSED.
WE'VE MOVED THE TREEHOUSE OUT OF THAT AREA AND WE'VE GOT IT OVER TOWARD THE RIVER LOOK, POTENTIALLY AS A SITE ON THE GAR GARVEY HOUSE, THERE IS OUR POTENTIAL TREE HOUSE LOCATION.
UM, AND ADDITIONALLY WE'RE TALK, WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT PERHAPS INSTEAD OF A DECK, A LITTLE BIT OF A CHANGE OF, UM, MATERIALS COMING OFF THE EXISTING PAVILION AND TYING DOWN INTO THE GROUND SPACE.
ADDITIONALLY, YOU'LL SEE MORE OPEN GREEN SPACE.
THIS WAS AT BEAUFORT COUNTY REQUEST FOR HAVING LESS PARKING SPACES HERE, MO MORE OPEN GREEN SPACE, KEEPING THAT RURAL AND CRITICAL ASPECT TO THE GROUNDS.
THIS IS REALLY WHAT I WANNA WALK YOU THROUGH THIS EVENING.
THIS IS A PERSPECTIVE THAT WE HAVE CURRENTLY FROM OUR LANDSCAPE ARCHITECTS AND SOME FEATURES TO NOTE IS AS WE COME DOWN ALONG WOR STREET, WE'RE PRODU PROVIDING THAT PEDESTRIAN SAFETY AND CONNECTIVITY FROM BOTH SIDES OF THE PARK.
IT CURRENTLY EXISTS, BUT MAKING SURE THAT WE KEEP THAT.
AND WHAT'S OF NOTE IS THAT WE HAVE THIS PERIMETER PATHWAY OF, UM, COURTEOUS MATERIAL THAT ACTS AS A, AS A BOUNDARY FOR, UH, A BAHAMIAN LIMESTONE GROUND COVER IN THE CENTER SO THAT IT'S NOT JUST DIRT IN THE MIDDLE OF, OF THE PARKING OR IN THE, THE PARK AREA.
THE EVENT AREA, WE ARE PROVIDING FOR SOME DROP OFF ZONE WHERE CARS CAN BACK IN ON THIS PARTICULAR OPEN, IT WOULD BE WHERE THE GATE IS TODAY.
THIS WOULD BE RESTRICTED EITHER THOUGH, UH, WITH BALLARDS OR SOMETHING SO THAT IT'S NOT OPEN ALL THE TIME.
BUT WHEN THERE ARE EVENTS THAT FOLKS CAN GET IN THERE AND DROP OFF, ADDITIONALLY IN THE BACK WE CAN SEE THAT WE HAVE FOOD TRUCK ACCESS THAT WOULD COME DOWN ALONG THE CURRENT BOTTOM OF BANK, BETWEEN THE EVENT AREA AND THE, THE OYSTER COMPANY NOW AND MOVE UP INTO THERE WITH POWER ACCESS POLES BACK IN THAT PARTICULAR AREA, WE HAVE TO BACK BACK DOWN.
SO IT'S EITHER BACKING BACK DOWN OR WE THINK WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO, AND THIS WAS A PIECE OF, UH, INPUT WE WANTED FROM YOU PERHAPS PROVIDE A HAMMERHEAD TURNAROUND AT LEAST SO THEY CAN COME IN BACK THERE AND THEN DRIVE BACK OUT SAFER.
I'M HEARING THAT BECAUSE CURRENTLY AS AS IT IS, THERE IS A LOT OF SPACE TOWARDS THE BACK.
SO WHEN FOOD TRUCKS PULL IN, THEY USUALLY ARE ABLE TO KIND OF LIKE, UM, FOR REAL HIT LIKE A THREE POINT TURN BECAUSE IT'S ALL THAT WOOD WOOD AREA, ALL THAT WOOD SPACE BACK THERE.
SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO DO A STRAIGHT BACKUP DOWN THAT SLOPE.
OKAY, WE'LL MAKE SURE WE DO IT.
UM, ONE THING THAT YOU'LL NOTICE THAT'S CHANGED FROM WHAT WE SAW IN THE 2022 MASTER PLAN, AND THIS WAS BASED ON SOME STAFF FEEDBACK AND WORKING AGAIN WITH OUR, OUR CONSULTANTS INSTEAD OF HAVING A LARGE DECK COMING OFF, HAVING THE STEPS, LARGE STEPS COMING OUT TO MAKE THAT TRANSITION FROM THE EXISTING PAVILION AND HAVING A, LIKE A SMALL LANDING AS YOU CAN SEE THERE AND MOVING YOU DOWN TO THAT PATHWAY.
AND THEN AGAIN, THE PATHWAY MOVES YOU THROUGH THE SITE.
THE CENTER, UM, IS HAVING A, A DECKING OVER THAT LARGE SPECIMEN OAK.
CURRENTLY IT'S A BIT OF A TRIP HAZARD WITH THE ROOTS.
SO THIS IS PRESERVING THE ROOTS, GETTING PEOPLE UP OFF THEM, BUT ALSO, UM, HELPING IN A SAFETY FACTOR TIED IN, AGAIN, KEEPING THAT BAHAMIAN LIMESTONE OR CORAL STONE IN THE CENTER.
SO WHEN WE START TO TAKE A LOOK, WHAT FROM AN AERIAL VIEW, WHAT DO THESE MATERIALS BEGIN TO LOOK LIKE? HERE'S THAT LIMESTONE THAT I KEEP REFERENCING.
WE HAVE THIS CURRENTLY AT THE RIGHT FAMILY PARK AND THE PARKING AREA.
UM, ALSO THE HAYWARD HOUSE, COMMON GROUND HAS THAT MATERIAL AS WELL.
UH, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT USING THE EPA DECKING, WHICH
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IS WHAT WE'VE CURRENTLY USED, UM, OUT ON OUR, FOR THIS AREA OUT ON OUR DOCKS.AND UM, WE'LL BE CARRYING THROUGH SOME OF OUR STREET SCAPE ELEMENTS.
SO IT'S KEEPING THAT CONSISTENCY IN MATERIALS AND THEN JUST SOME, UM, EXAMPLES OF THE SAVANNAH GRAY PAVILION EXTENSION AND UH, MAKING SURE THAT WE HAVE THAT BORDER IN THERE SO THAT WE'RE KEEPING THE, THE LIMESTONE IN IN PLACE.
AND I GUESS MAYBE, I DON'T KNOW WHETHER YOU'RE LOOKING AT DOING IT WHERE YOU BRING THE FOOD TRUCKS IN OR NOT, BUT THOSE OYSTER TABLES IN THERE, WHICH ROAD REBUILT YEARS AGO, WHICH AMAZED ME, THEY'RE STILL SOLID.
THEY'RE, THEY'RE SOLID IN HEAVY
THAT'S WHY I MENTION IT BECAUSE I'M TOO OLD TO LIFT THEM ANYMORE.
I QUIT DOING IT ABOUT THREE YEARS AGO.
BUT SO HOW DO YOU ENVISION WHEN THEY MOVE THEM DOWN FOR THE OYSTER ROAST, WHICH WAY DO YOU EXPECT THEM TO GO? I WOULD THINK THAT THEY WOULD MOVE THEM DOWN THE WAY THEY, I ASSUME THEY CURRENTLY ARE THROUGH THE FOOD TRUCK ACCESS, CUZ THAT'S A SMOOTH, A SMOOTH SPACE THAT YOU COULD CARRY THEM DOWN AND OR HAND DOLLY, I'M NOT SURE HOW THEY MOVE THEM CURRENTLY.
YEAH, WE'D HAVE TO COME THROUGH THERE, WHICH SHOULD NOT BE A, A BIG ISSUE.
COULD YOU, YOU PUT IT BACK ON THE OTHER PICTURE BEFORE THIS ONE, KIM? YES SIR.
IT GIVES YOU, YEAH, IT GIVES YOU, YEAH, I AGREE.
I GOT ONE QUESTION AND UH, I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT THE, OKAY, WELL YOU SEE, YOU SEE THE LIGHT POST I GUESS WHAT WE'RE GONNA CALL 'EM.
UM, WHAT MY CONCERN IS LOOKING AT IT, THE WAY IT'S DRAWN THERE IS MANY TIMES YOU HAVE TO HAVE A TENT, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE THERE, THERE ARE TONS OF WEDDINGS THERE.
UM, WOULD THIS STILL ALLOW ENOUGH ROOM FOR A, THE, THE, THE LIGHT POLES TO ME SEEM LIKE IT WOULD BE CUTTING OFF IN THE, WHERE THE TINT WOULD, THE TINT WOULD ACTUALLY, OR, OR RIGHT NOW WOULD BE GOING IN WHERE THE OYSTER TABLES ARE SOMEWHAT.
SO YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT LIKE THOSE THREE SECTIONS THAT KIND OF CUT OUT ACROSS WHERE THE OYSTER YEAH.
SO IF WE KEPT THEM ALONG THE TREE LINE, IT WOULD PROBABLY BE OKAY AS LONG AS WE DIDN'T COME OUT ACROSS THE, THE ACTUAL UH, EVENT AREA.
YEAH, I'M THINKING, UM, IT WOULD ALL ALL BE ON THE STAGING OF WHOEVER'S DOING THE EVENT.
CUZ THE WAY THAT IT IS NOW, YOU HAVE TO MOVE EVERYTHING AROUND TO YOUR STANDARD.
SO LIKE THE OYSTER TABLES, UH, WOULDN'T BE THERE.
SO IF THEY CHOSE TO STAKE THEIR TENT UP THERE OR OVER WHERE THE BAND SAND AREA, IT'S LOOKING LIKE THOSE POLES ARE, UH, PLANTED OR ANCHORED IN THE GROUND AND NOT NECESSARILY IN THE, IN WHERE THE, THE, THE SPACE BACK HERE, THESE THREE RIGHT THERE LOOK LIKE THEY WOULD BE RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF THESE.
YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, OH YEAH, THAT ONE YOU THINK OF TENTS, HOW MANY ARE YOU THINKING OF? PROBABLY DEPEND, YOU KNOW, IF YOU PLAY A WEDDING, YOU BOOK THE PARK, RIGHT? YOU BOOK YOUR CATERERS AND ALL LIKE THAT AND THEN BOOM, 'EM ALL OF A SUDDEN ON WEDNESDAY THE FORECAST FOR SATURDAYS 90% RAIN.
NOBODY WANTS TO REALLY USE A TEMP BECAUSE IT'S VERY EXTENSIVE, BUT IT HAPPENS.
YEAH, I'M JUST SAYING I'M TRYING TO, ESPECIALLY FOR WEDDINGS CAN'T BE, WE SCHEDULED, SO TO SPEAK AS EASILY AS, UM, COMPANY PARTIES OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT AND YOU KNOW, I MEAN IT IS PRETTY BITTER DOWN THERE IN THE WINTER TIME FOR CERTAIN BITS.
SO, AND I, I DON'T THINK THAT WILL CHANGE THE SCOPE OF THE PROJECT OR THE LOOK OF THE PROJECT AND BRING A COUPLE SECTIONS OF LIGHTS BACK IF WE KEEP 'EM IN THE TREES, IT REALLY SURE.
SO WE CAN WORK, UM, BOTH WITH LINDY AND WITH Y'ALL FOLKS WHO ARE HAVING EVENTS DOWN THERE FREQUENTLY AND JUST MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT EXCLUDING A POTENTIAL USER HAVING, CREATING A CONFLICT.
BUT YOU DO BRING UP A REALLY GOOD POINT, AND WE'RE ACTUALLY DISCUSSING MUCH OF WHAT WE, I HAD AS BULLET POINTS FOR DISCUSSION NOW.
THIS COULD BE OUR OPPORTUNITY.
I MEAN, NOT SAYING WE COULDN'T COME BACK LATER, BUT WE'RE GONNA ABOUT TO MAKE A REALLY NICE UPGRADE TO THIS PARK, WHICH IS PROBABLY GONNA DRAW EVEN MORE USE.
AND THEN WE HAVE THE BATHROOMS THAT WE HAVE THERE CURRENTLY, WHICH ARE PROBABLY NOT GOING TO BE TO THE SAME STANDARD AS THE PARK ITSELF.
IS THERE AN INTEREST IN ENHANCING THE CURRENT BATHROOMS, KEEPING THE FOOTPRINT THEY ARE WHAT THEY ARE.
IF WE HAVE EVENTS, PEOPLE BRING IN PORT-A-POTTIES TO SUPPORT A LARGE EVENT, NOT TALKING A MASSIVE STRUCTURE.
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OR WE COULD EXPAND THEM SLIGHTLY IF YOU WANT.THAT'S CURRENTLY NOT IN ANY SCOPE, BUT WE JUST SEE THIS AS AN OPPORTUNITY TO DISCUSS IT AND START THINKING OF IT AND GETTING SOME FEEDBACK ON WHAT YOUR, HOW MANY TIMES OVER THE YEARS HAVE WE SEEN THE WOMEN'S LINE HANGING
AND I KNOW MY WIFE WOULD SAY THE SAME THING BECAUSE SHE SAID IT SO MANY TIMES, YOU KNOW, POSSIBLE UPGRADING THEM AND MAKE 'EM A LITTLE NICER INSTEAD OF A BALL PRISON STYLE.
YOU KNOW, I'M NOT SAYING FANCY, FANCY, BUT IT IS STILL A PARK AND IT PEOPLE ARE STILL GONNA COME OFF OF BOATS SURE.
AND GO INTO THOSE RESTROOMS. I MEAN, THAT'S GONNA BE USED.
UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'VE HAD SOME INITIAL CONVERSATION ABOUT WHILE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS, IS JUST WHILE THIS IS UNDER CONSTRUCTION, IT'S GONNA LEAD TO A CONVERSATION THAT WE'LL BRING TO COUNSEL ABOUT WHERE THESE KIND OF EVENTS CAN TAKE PLACE WHILE THIS IS UNDER CONSTRUCTION.
UM, AND SO WE'RE GONNA, I JUST WANTED TO PREPARE Y'ALL FOR THAT CONVERSATION ABOUT LOOKING AT OPENING UP AROUND THE GAR GARVEY FOR FEW FOR EVENTS WHILE THE CON THIS CONSTRUCTION IS GOING ON.
IT MIGHT BE A A SIX MONTH OR NINE MONTH TIME PERIOD, BUT IN DOING SO, WE'LL NEED TO REVISIT WHETHER RIGHT NOW YOU CAN'T HAVE AN EVENT WITH BEER, WINE, RIGHT? MM-HMM.
SO WE MAY LOOK AND COME TO COUNCIL AND SAY, WHILE THIS IS UNDER CONSTRUCTION, WOULD Y'ALL BE WILLING TO GIVE A SIX OR NINE MONTHS A VARIANCE ON THAT WHILE THIS IS OCCURRING SO WE CAN CONTINUE TO SUPPORT THE EVENTS? CORRECT.
UM, I JUST WANTED TO, TO PREFACE THAT WE'LL HAVE THAT CONVERSATION ONCE WE HAVE A BETTER SCHEDULE, BUT JUST WANTED TO HAVE THAT IN THE BACK OF YOUR HEAD SO WHEN WE BRING THAT AT A FUTURE DATE, THAT WOULD BE THE SIMPLEST AND EASY PHONE TO DO.
BECAUSE THESE, THIS AREA'S RENTED ALREADY, CORRECT? FOR OUR CONSTRUCTION, ALL ALLOTED CONSTRUCTION PIPE.
WENDY'S ASKING ALREADY, AND IT'S WEDDINGS.
SO LET ME, WE JUST SET UP ON THE OTHER SIDE, AND LET ME ASK ANOTHER QUESTION, AND I DON'T KNOW WHETHER I'M IN A MINORITY ON THIS OR NOT, BUT, UM, IS THE SCHEMATIC HERE SHOWING THE, I GUESS THE PALM TREES OR WHATEVER THEY ARE? DO WE REALLY NEED THEM? AND THE REASON I BRING THAT UP IS MOST OF THE FUN ABOUT BEING UP HERE IS YOU'VE GOT A SPECTACULAR VIEW ALL THE WAY AROUND.
AND I, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE NEED ANY MORE TREES, BUT THAT'S, I'M ASKING, IT'S A QUESTION.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT ORIGINAL LARRY THINK.
UM, I THINK THE, THE AESTHETICS OF THE, THEY'RE GONNA BE PALMETTO TREES.
I THINK IT ADDS TO WHAT'S DOWN THERE IN TERMS OF ENHANCING THE, THE EVENT SPACE WITH, UM, WITH, UH, NATIVE TREES.
I THINK IT'S, IT'S A NICE FEATURE, NICE HARDSCAPE FEATURE TO ADD THERE.
THE, THE ONE THING I WOULD ADD ONTO THAT WOULD BE THAT WHERE THESE TREES ARE LOCATED AT, NO, THERE'S ONLY I THINK ONE OR TWO THAT IS BETWEEN THE EVENT SPACE AND THE WATER.
MOST OF THEM ARE, THE VIEW WOULD BE, IT WOULD BE, THEY'RE NORTH OF THE CENTER, CENTER DECKING, SO THEY WOULDN'T, UM, IMPACT A LOT OF THE VIEWS FROM WHERE PEOPLE WOULD BE GATHERING FOR THE EVENTS.
AND TRYING TO KEEP, THIS IS OFF THE CORNER OF THE PAVILION IN THE CORNER.
THAT, THAT VERY FIRST ONE KIM, I, I WOULD SUGGEST FIXING THAT, THAT NEEDS TO BE PUT SOMEWHERE ELSE BECAUSE WHERE THE DELIVERY, YOU SEE THAT COME, RIGHT? WELL, I MEAN IF YOU JUST SAY YOU'RE GONNA SET UP A BAR ON PAVILION FOR AN EVENT, YOU WOULD BE ABLE TO BACK IN THERE LOT CLOSER TO UNLOAD INSTEAD OF YEAH.
WELL ALSO, ISN'T A, A BACKUP OPTION NOW GOING TO BE INCLUDED INTO THE REAR OF THIS, UM, PAVILION AREA BECAUSE THAT'S BEING OPENED UP FOR PARKING.
WE'RE CURRENTLY, IT'S JUST A WOODED CLOSED OFF AREA NOW.
WELL, IT WOULD BE TO THE BACK FOR, BASED ON YOUR FEEDBACK BACK.
FOR THE FOOD TRUCKS IT WOULD BE THEIRS.
YEAH, NO, FROM THE, I THOUGHT WE SAW THAT'S WHERE THEY'RE ADDING OPEN SPACE PARKING SPACE.
THAT'S GOTTA BE OPEN, GREEN OPEN.
THERE'LL BE SOME OPEN SPACE BETWEEN THE PARKING LOT AND THERE, RIGHT? YES, THAT IS, THAT'S THIS OPEN GREEN SPACE THAT THE RURAL AND CRITICAL LAND TRUST WANTS.
SO THIS IS OPEN AND UNAVAILABLE FOR TENTS FOR THAT MATTER.
THAT'S A, THAT'S A GOOD THOUGHT.
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GOOD ON THAT, I CAN KIND OF REALLY BLEW THROUGH THE I HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION.ARE YOU FINISHED OR ARE YOU MOVING? I AM IN GENERAL.
THE ONLY OTHER QUESTION I HAVE IS WHEN WILL WE BE BUILDING THE WALL THAT GOES AROUND? UH, SO ANOTHER SLIDE I HAVE FOR NEXT STEPS.
UH, SO BASED ON YOUR FEEDBACK, WE'RE GONNA UPDATE THIS, THIS PERSPECTIVE AND MOVE FORWARD INTO MORE CONSTRUCTIVE DRAWINGS.
WE WILL ENSURE, OF COURSE, THAT WE HAVE BUFORT COUNTY SIGN OFF ON THIS AND TAKE IT FORWARD WITH THEM.
AND THEN IN FISCAL YEAR 24, START CONSTRUCTION DURING THE WINTER MONTHS AND DESIGN REMAINING PHASES.
SO WE'RE, WE DON'T HAVE IT PROGRAMMED RIGHT NOW.
YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE BOARDWALK ALL THE WAY AROUND.
ALL THE WAY AROUND THAT IS CURRENTLY NOT PROGRAMMED.
SO THAT WOULD BE IN A, IN A FUTURE PHASE AND BASED ON COUNCIL'S PRIORITIZATION, PROBABLY AT A, AT A STRATEGIC PLANNING EVENT, I THINK THAT'S GONNA BE A DRAW.
AND WE NEED TO DO IT TOO BECAUSE THE WHOLE PROPERTY WITH THESE SEA LEVELS RISING AND ALL, WE'RE GETTING LOWER AND LOWER, RIGHT? MM-HMM.
YOU KNOW, I KEEP PUTTING SHELLS THERE, BUT I CAN'T PUT SHELLS THERE FAST ENOUGH WITH THE, THE IMPACT OF HUNDREDS OF BOATS, YOU KNOW, ESPECIALLY IN THE SUMMERTIME COMING BY AND THE AMOUNT OF WEIGHT CAN EROSION THAT'S TAKING PLACE IS, YOU KNOW, WE'LL STILL BE THERE IN ANOTHER YEAR I HOPE.
BUT YOU KNOW, IT IS, IT IS SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE MOVED FORWARD AS WELL.
LET'S REMEMBER STRATEGIC WORKSHOP, KIM, IF YOU'LL ASK US ABOUT THAT AGAIN.
I THINK WE HAVE A KEEN INTEREST ON IT.
WE DISCUSSED ALL OF THIS ALREADY.
OVERALL, THIS ONE IS A QUICK ONE, ANOTHER UPDATE, BUT I DO NEED DIRECTION FROM YOU ON THE SPORTS COURTS, SO NOT SURE SPEND TOO MUCH TIME REHASHING IT.
THIS ONE ALSO HAS A MASTER PLAN OF COURSE FOR OSCAR FRAZIER PARK AND FIELD OF DREAMS. WE'VE MOVED THROUGH A LOT OF THE IMPROVEMENTS.
WE'RE CURRENTLY, UM, AT THE LAST TWO BULLET POINTS, WHICH ARE THE SPORTS COURTS THAT ARE CALLED FOR IN THE MASTER PLAN, BUT THE TYPES ARE NOT DESIGNATED.
ARE THEY THE BASKETBALL COURTS, PICKLEBALL COURTS, TENNIS COURTS? WHAT ARE THEY? SO THE TYPE IS NOT DESIGNATED.
CURRENTLY WE HAVE DESIGN MONEY AND THEN WE'RE LOOKING TO CONSTRUCT IN 24.
AND THEN OF COURSE, THE OTHER THAT WAS ADDED IN WAS THE SPLASH PADS.
WE'RE DESIGNING THAT CURRENTLY CONSTRUCTION IN 24, SUBJECT TO TOWN COUNCIL APPROVAL.
SO, UH, TO ORIENT YOU, WE'VE GOT ROTARY COMMUNITY CENTER DOWN IN THE BOTTOM LEFT.
SO WE'RE LOOKING AT THE AREA THAT IS ALONG PIN OAK, UM, THE PAVILION AND SLASH PAD AREA, WHICH WOULD BE ON, ON THE TOP SIDE OF THE DRAWING IS UP AGAINST RECREATION COURT, WHICH IS WHERE PUBLIC SERVICES IS.
AND THEN WE HAVE EIGHTH AVENUE.
UH, THAT WOULD PARALLEL ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE TO WHERE THE POTENTIAL COURT LOCATION WOULD BE.
WHEN WE CAME FORWARD TO Y'ALL BEFORE IN WORKSHOP, WE HAD SEVERAL ALTERNATIVES THAT WE PRESENTED, WHETHER THEY WERE TENNIS COURTS, WHETHER THEY WERE A COMBINATION OF, UM, PICKLEBALL OR SOLO PICKLEBALL COURTS, NOTING BY THE WAY, TENNIS COURTS WOULD REQUIRE THE HIGHEST AMOUNT OF TREE REMOVAL, UH, THE PICKLEBALL COURTS.
IT WAS THE NOISE IMPACT THAT HAS BEEN RAISED COMBINATION OF THE TENNIS PICKLEBALL COURT OR IT WAS ALSO BROUGHT UP, UM, TO EVALUATE BASKETBALL COURT AS AN OPTION.
SO Y'ALL WERE, IT SEEMED TO BE THE INTEREST IN BASKETBALL COURT CORPORATE, YOU GAVE US A DIRECTION TO GO BACK TO THE HOA AND THE COMMUNITY, THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
WHAT WOULD THEY LIKE TO SEE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD SINCE THAT'S PART OF THEIR MASTER PLAN IN THE HOA, AGAIN, WE SENT A SURVEY OUT TO THEM.
WE GOT 139 RESPONSES OF WHICH WE CAN SEE, UM, THE, THE MAJORITY WERE 28%, WHICH WAS NONE.
LEAVE IT NATURAL AND JUST CALL IT A DAY.
UH, WE HAVE A COMBINATION THAT IS ALSO HIGH IN PICKLEBALL THAT'S ALSO HIGH.
SO WE'RE AL WE'RE ALMOST SPLITTING THIRDS BETWEEN WHAT WE HEARD FROM THE COMMUNITY.
THE LOWEST OPTIONS WERE, UM, BASKETBALL, UM, WHICH ISN'T EVEN REPRESENTED HERE AND TENNIS.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHY I'M HERE.
WE DIDN'T HAVE A CLEAR FAVORITE.
NOW IF YOU ADD IN THE SURVEY RESPONSES FOR EITHER JUST A PICKLEBALL COURT OR COMBO PICKLEBALL COURT, TENNIS COURT, YOU'RE BETWEEN 55 TO 56% OF THE RESPONDENT WERE IN SUPPORT OF SOME TYPE OF PICKLEBALL BEING OUT THERE.
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30% SAID THEY LIKE IT OPEN SPACE.AND WOULD IT, UH, TENNIS AND BASKETBALL WERE NOT HIGH PREFERENCES.
SO I'M HERE TO ASK YOU BASED ON THAT COMMUNITY INPUT, THESE ARE THE THREE CLEAR OPTIONS THAT WE SEE AVAILABLE TO US.
ALL OF THEM ARE AVAILABLE IF YOU DECIDED TO LEAVE IT AS OPEN SPACE, THAT WOULD REQUIRE A MASTER PLAN AMENDMENT.
BUT IN SPEAKING WITH GROWTH MANAGEMENT, THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN TAKE THROUGH AND HAVE APPROVED.
SO IN THE REQUEST FOR THE, UM, REDESIGN OF THE COURTS OVER THERE, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WAS, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE ARE TRYING TO COMPLETE BECAUSE IT WAS ON THE ORIGINAL MASTER PLAN? YES, MA'AM.
SO IS THIS SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE TO DO OR CAN WE FOREGO THAT? AND THAT WOULD BE WHY? YOU CAN DEFINITELY FOREGO IT, BUT IT WOULD JUST REQUIRE A MASTER PLAN AMENDMENT, WHICH COUNCIL HAS THE AUTHORITY TO DO.
BECAUSE IF THE MAJORITY ARE IN FAVOR OF, UH, PICKLEBALL COURTS, BUT WE'RE SPEAKING TO THOSE WHO ARE IN THE HOA OF BLUFFTON PARK, BUT WE SPOKE OF THE CONCERN OF THE NOISE OF THOSE SURROUNDING WHO MIGHT NOT BE IN THIS HOA WHO DID NOT GIVE INPUT.
I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THEIR, UM, HOW THEY WOULD BE IMPACTED BY THIS AND ALSO KNOWN THAT THAT'S GONNA BE THE OPTION THAT'S GONNA REQUIRE THE MOST REMOVAL OF TREES.
UM, I'M NOT IN, I'M NOT IN FAVOR OF PROCEEDING PERSONALLY.
UM, AND I'VE ALSO BEEN GOING UP THERE A LOT.
WE'RE HAD SOME PLAYERS BASEBALL.
YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S, IF THERE'S BALL BETWEEN THE DOG PARK, BETWEEN THE BALL GAMES, SOCCER FIELDS RUN LITTLE OF THE, THE ROTARY CENTER PLAYGROUND.
I MEAN IT'S JUST, I LIKE IT WIDE OPEN.
I THINK IT'S BEAUTIFUL AND I, YOU KNOW, I WOULDN'T FIGHT BUILDING SOMETHING IF WE WANT SOMETHING, BUT I'M FINE WITH THE WAY IT IS.
WELL I NEVER WANTED TENNIS COURTS THERE AND I USED TO TELL, AND THEY'RE IN THE ORIGINAL, I USED TO TELL STEVEN'S PREDECESSOR THAT CONTINUOUSLY AS DID DOC JAEGER, BUT HE WANTED TENNIS COURT.
SO, BUT NOW WE'RE HERE AND I CAN AGREE WITH YOU TOO ON THAT.
UM, THIS QUESTION THAT CAME UP WHEN WE WERE TALKING AND YOU MENTIONED ABOUT IS THERE A TIMEFRAME THAT SAYS THAT THESE HAVE TO BE BUILT IN THE MASTER PLAN.
SO WE DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO AMEND THE MASTER PLAN.
WE COULD JUST DELAY THESE INDEFINITELY.
INDEFINITELY UNTIL WE, THAT I WOULD HAVE TO GO BACK AND WORK WITH GROWTH MANAGEMENT ON THE MASTER PLAN ITSELF AND TAKE A LOOK.
UM, YEAH, BUT AS THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENTS ARE STARTING TO GET CLOSER TO EXPIRATION DATES, YOU KNOW, WE'LL LOOK AND MAKE SURE WE MET ALL OUR OBLIGATIONS.
HOWEVER, I'M NOT AWARE OF ANY OBLIGATION FOR US TO BUILD ANY KINDA TENNIS COURTS.
THE MASTER PLAN, I WAS THERE WHEN ALL OF THIS WAS DONE WITH ROTARY, WERE THE TENNIS COURTS ALWAYS INCORPORATED INTO THE MASTER PLAN.
THERE WAS, IT WAS A CONCEPT PLAN FOR TENNIS COURTS.
IF YOU LOOK IN A DOCUMENT, IT JUST SAYS SPORTS COURT.
IT DOESN'T SPECIFY TENNIS COURTS.
BUT I THINK PERHAPS THERE WAS A CONCEPTUAL PLAN THAT SHOWED TENNIS COURTS AND THAT BECAME INGRAINED IN EVERYBODY'S MEMORY THAT THAT'S WHAT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE THERE.
AND WE GOT A DOG COURT SET UP A TENNIS COURT.
AND ANOTHER THING THAT IT DIDN'T UP PLAY GOOD THOUGHT OF OR KICKED AROUND IN THE PAST WAS, UH, HIGHLIGHTING THE ENTRANCE WITH RICK OR SOMETHING, UH, TO DEFINE THE TWO CORNERS OF THE PARK AT ONE POINT.
NOW THAT WAS DISCUSSED AFTER THE MASTER PLAN CAME OUT, BUT THAT'S JUST SOMETHING I'M THROWING OUT THERE FOR STAFF THAT COULD, COULD CONSIDER BUT UM, HAVE WITH HIM.
TENNIS COURTS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT AND LET IT GO.
I MEAN WE JUST, IF IT'S IT'S A LEGAL ISSUE THEN WE'LL HAVE TO DO SOMETHING.
BUT, SO NOBODY'S NOBODY LIKE CRAIG, JUST HEAR YOU POINTED OUT, NOBODY'S KNOCKING THE DOOR OR SEAT.
NOBODY'S KNOCKING ON THE DOOR SAYING WE GOTTA HAVE IT.
I DON'T THINK WE WERE BOUND VOICE TO IT.
UH, SO THAT MAKES THAT REALLY EASY CUZ THEN WE CAN FOCUS ON THE SPLASH PAD AND MOVE INTO CONSTRUCTION AND PROBABLY THE SECOND QUARTER OF 24.
AND JUST BECAUSE SOMEBODY MIGHT BE INTERESTED ON SOME OF OUR CONCEPT IMAGES AND WHERE WE ARE, JUST WANTED TO PRESENT THIS AND WHAT WE'RE, WHERE WE'RE MOVING, UH, ON, ON SLASH PAD IMAGERY AND THOUGHTS.
WOW, YOU GAVE US THIS TEASER, KIM.
AND SEE THAT, UH, THAT CRAB IN THE CENTER OF IT,
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ALL PAT, YOU KNOW, IT NEEDS HIM.LAST BUT NOT LEAST, LITTLE BIT OVER AN HOUR.
THIS ONE SHOULD BE FAIRLY EASY.
JUST LOOKING FOR YOUR CONSENT.
YEAH, NO, I, AND DONE, UH, JUST LOOKING FOR YOUR CONSENT AND FEEDBACK ON THE DEOS PLAYGROUND.
YOU KNOW, WE, WE CAME BACK TO YOU BEFORE.
WE KNOW WE'VE GOT SOME ISSUES OUT THERE WITH A LAWN.
WE KNOW IT'S A HEAVILY USED PARK.
WE KNOW WE HAVE SOME DATA EQUIPMENT OUT THERE.
SO WHEN WE FIRST CAME BACK TO YOU, THIS IS WHAT WE SHOWED YOU AND YOU, WE DIDN'T KNOCK IT OUTTA THE PARK WITH THIS ONE.
SO WHAT WE HEARD FROM YOU WAS TO THESE BOTTOM BULLET POINTS.
OBVIOUSLY WE NEED IT TO BE AESTHETICALLY PLEASING AND WE'LL FIT WITH THE EXISTING, UH, EXISTING GROUNDS, UH, SIMILAR TO THE SHRIMP BOAT.
DEFINITELY WE CAN MATCH THAT IN COLORATION AND NOT HAVING IT AS INTENSE LEAVING AT A SMALLER PARK SINCE THE SIZE AND SCALE FOR WHERE IT'S LOCATED AND KEEP KEEPING THAT EXISTING SHRIMP BOAT SLIDE.
SO WHAT I'M COMING BACK TO YOU WITH AND PAT'S BEEN AGAIN WORKING DILIGENTLY ON THIS PREVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, WE HAD MATERIALS HERE AND A LOT OF HARDSCAPE AND WHAT YOU WANTED WAS MORE GREEN SPACE.
SO WE'LL WORK TO REPLACE, SO WITH DEREK AND MULCH BACK IN THROUGH THERE MAKING THIS CONNECTION AND PATHWAY, BUT BRINGING IN SMALL PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT, TWO TO FIVE YEAR OLDS, WHICH IS JUST A SMALL CLIMBER.
WE HAVE THE TWO TO FIVE YEAR OLD THAT'S DATED AND WE KNOW WE NEED TO REPLACE IT.
THIS IS WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING TO REPLACE IT WITH.
ADDING THE SEESAW ALSO IN THAT GENERAL AREA.
SO SMALLER, SMALLER EQUIPMENT DOWN THERE.
UH, MOVING TOWARD LAWRENCE STREET JUST BECAUSE SWINGS ARE ALWAYS POPULAR.
HERE'S A MULTI-AGE NEST SWING.
SO MULTIPLE FOLKS, KIDS, HOPEFULLY KIDS, NOT ADULTS, UH, BUT ADULTS MIGHT DO IT TOO.
AND THEN THE ONE THING THAT WE DID LOSE OFF OF THE SHRIMP BOAT WAS THE, THE RING HANGING SORT OF MONKEY BAR FEATURES.
SO PULLING IN, UH, A HEIGHT APPROPRIATE RING BEAM IS WHAT THAT'S CALLED.
SO THAT KIDS STILL HAVE THAT FUNCTION.
HOW ABOUT THE SLIDE ON THE SHRIMP BOAT? THE SLIDE ON THE SHRIMP BOAT IS THERE.
I THINK IT WAS PUT BACK THE NEXT DAY OR TWO AFTER THE MEETING.
SO IN GENERAL, OUR NEXT STEPS IF, IF YOU LIKE THOSE IDEAS AND I HAVE LOW UPS OF THEM.
CAUSE I KNOW THAT WAS HARD TO SEE.
UH, LOOKING AT THIS AGAIN, WE, WE HEARD THAT YOU HAD HEIGHT CONCERN, SAFETY CONCERNS.
THIS IS MOVING THROUGH SIZE AND SCALE FOR AGE APPROPRIATE STRUCTURES.
THIS WOULD BE WHAT WE PROPOSED FOR THE TWO TO FIVE YEAR OLD, KEEPING THAT WOOD THEME AND GREEN THAT'S THERE.
UH, THE SEESAW KEEPING IT VERY RUSTIC.
AGAIN, HAVING THE WOODEN BEAMS KEEPING IN THE THEME OF THE PARK FOR THE NEST SWING.
AND THEN THIS WOULD BE GREEN POWDER COATED SO THAT IT, IT'S KEEPING WITH SO THE NEST SWING BACK UP TO THAT.
THAT'S JUST ONE SWING AND TWO KIDS CLIMB IT AND YOU JUST PUSH 'EM AND SWING.
IF, IF YOU LIKE THESE GENERAL CONCEPTS, WE CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS.
THE ONLY QUESTION I WOULD HAVE FOR YOU IS IF YOU WANT TO PUT ON AN OPTIONAL ROOF ON THAT TWO TO FIVE PLAY YEAR OLD STRUCTURE, BECAUSE IT'D BE SITTING OUT IN THE SUN AND WE'RE NOT PROPOSING SHADE SALES OVER THAT.
IT WOULD BE MY RECOMMENDATION TO PUT SOME KIND OF A, A SHADE STRUCTURE OVER IT.
THERE MIGHT BE MORE PARENTS UNDER THERE THAN KIDS.
WELL, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW THE BENCH GRANDPARENTS, THE BENCH THAT WE PUT OVER THERE, IT'S BECAUSE WHEN WE WOULD GO OVER THERE WITH THE GRANDKIDS, THERE WAS NO PLACE TO GET OUTTA THE SUN TO BE AT THE BENCH, BUT RIGHT THERE IN SHADE.
WELL, AND WE, UM, CAN ALWAYS PUT SHADE SALES IN, IN, IN ADDITIONAL AREAS IF THAT'S SOMETHING.
IT DIDN'T SEEM TO FLY LAST TIME.
WELL, I, I'M JUST, I'M JUST BRINGING IT UP.
THAT DID NOT, THAT DID NOT RECEIVE A GOOD IT, IT DID NOT.
WELL WE DON'T WANT A GREEN PLASTIC ROOF.
I DON'T KNOW WHO WAS AGAINST IT, BUT SHADE SALES ARE DEFINITELY THE THING TO DO.
WHAT DO YOU THINK? YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT SHAPE SALES AGAIN? WE COULD DO THAT.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY WERE TALKING.
WE'LL LOOK AT DIFFERENT CONCEPTS, COLOR OR MATERIAL.
WELL I'M JUST GRATEFUL THAT IT SEEMS LIKE THE THREE OF US ARE GLAD TO SEE AN UPGRADE.
THIS LOOKS LAST BETTER THAN THE OTHER THAT YES, WE'RE PERFECT.
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I'LL HAVE THAT.I HAD A UNOFFICIAL, UH, FOCUS GROUP AT MY HOME,
IT'S DEFINITELY WARM OUT THERE.
UH, Y'ALL WITH THAT AND I WOULD THINK NOW THAT THE MAYOR'S GOT ANOTHER GRANDCHILD ON THE WAY,
IS THERE AN MOTION TO AJOUR? TWO SECOND.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR, THAT'S WE MUST BE, WE CRY.
HOLY IN YOUR PRESENCE IS WE MUST BE IN YOUR PRESENCE.
THIS IS LARRY ROLAND AND THIS IS A BEAUFORT COUNTY MOMENT.
ONE OF THE, UH, MOST FASCINATING ARTIFACTS IN BEAUFORT COUNTY TO TOURISTS AND RESIDENTS ALIKE ARE THE RUINS OF THE OLD SHELDON CHURCH.
THE PROPER NAME IS THE PARISH CHURCH OF PRINCE WILLIAM PARISH, SOUTH CAROLINA.
PRINCE WILLIAM PARISH WAS FOUNDED IN 1745.
IN RESPONSE, IT WAS THE SECOND ANGLICAN PARISH IN THE BEAUFORT DISTRICT.
HELENA PARISH FOUNDED IN 1712, THE ORIGINAL PARISH, PRINCE WILLIAM PARISH IN 1745 WAS IN THE MIDST OF AN ECONOMIC BOOM BECAUSE RICE PLANTATIONS SURROUNDED THE SITE ON HUPA NECK WHERE THE CHURCH EVENTUALLY WAS BUILT AND THOSE RICE PLANTERS WERE VERY WEALTHY.
IN 1745, THE COMMONS HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY ESTABLISHED PRINCE WILLIAM PARISH, AND IN 1751, THEY LAID THE CORNERSTONE FOR PRINCE WILLIAM PARISH CHURCH.
THE CHURCH WAS FINISHED BY 1755 AND WELL APPOINTED.
IT HAS THE DISTINCTION OF BEING THE FIRST OR OLDEST TEMPLE FORM GREEK REVIVAL BUILDING IN THE WESTERN HEMISPHERE.
SO THAT RUINED AT SHELDON, WHICH FASCINATES PEOPLE ABSOLUTELY SHOULD FASCINATE PEOPLE BECAUSE IT IS THE FIRST EXAMPLE OF A TYPE OF ARCHITECTURE THAT BECAME ASSOCIATED WITH AMERICAN DEMOCRACY IN AMERICAN PUBLIC BUILDINGS.
PRINCE WILLIAM PARISH CHURCH, OR THE OLD SHELDON RUINS, WAS BURNED BY BRITISH TORIES DURING THE AMERICAN REVOLUTION IN 1779, IT LE RUINS UNTIL 1826.
CHARLES FRASER, THE FAMOUS LOW COUNTRY ARTIST, PAINTED A PICTURE OF IT IN 1819 AFTER IT WAS RESTORED TO USE AND SERVICES.
IN 1826, HE CAME AND LOOKED AT IT AND HE SAID, MY GOD, THEY'VE TAKEN A BEAUTIFUL RUIN AND TURNED IT INTO AN UGLY CHURCH.
SO THE UNION ARMY IN THE EVENTS OF THE CIVIL WAR, RESTORED IT TO A BEAUTIFUL RUIN.
WE THOUGHT FOR MANY YEARS THAT PRINCE WILLIAM PARISH CHURCH HAD BEEN BURNED BY SHERMAN'S FORCES AS THEY MARCH THROUGH THIS DISTRICT.
THAT TURNS OUT NOT TO BE TRUE.
THE CHURCH WAS INTACT AFTER THE CIVIL WAR AND WAS DISMANTLED BY LOCAL FOLKS WHO USED THE PARTS OF THE CHURCH TO BUILD THEIR HOMES AND BARNES.
AND SO THE WOOD BASICALLY WAS TAKEN OUT.
THE ROOF FELL IN THE CHURCH, BECAME A RUIN, AND WAS IN DISUSE UNTIL MODERN TIMES IT HAS REMAINED.
AS CHARLES FRASER SAID, A BEAUTIFUL AND ENTICING RUIN.
THIS HAS BEEN A BEAUFORT COUNTY MOMENT.
TO SEE MORE BEAUFORT COUNTY MOMENTS GO TO THE BEAUFORT COUNTY LIBRARY HOMEPAGE AND CLICK ON THE LOCAL HISTORY TAB.
MAY 24TH, 1995 ALONG COTTON HALL ROAD IN YEMENI, THE BODY OF A WOMAN WAS FOUND IN A DITCH WEARING NOTHING BUT A PAIR OF PANTIES IN AUTOPSY REVEALED THE WOMAN HAD BEEN DEAD FOR A DAY OR TWO.
STRANGULATION INVESTIGATORS KNEW COTTON HALL ROAD WASN'T WHERE SHE WAS MURDERED, BUT DUMPED TO LIKELY NEVER BE FOUND.
THE UNIDENTIFIED WOMAN'S PHOTO TAKEN DURING AN AUTOPSY WAS DISTRIBUTED IN HOPES OF LEARNING HER NAME.
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CASE QUICKLY GREW COLD.SEVERAL YEARS LATER, SHERIFF PJ TANNER TASKS AN INVESTIGATOR BOB BROICH WITH LOOKING INTO THE AGENCY'S COLD CASES.
THIS CASE, UH, CLEARLY WAS VERY IMPORTANT TO US TO IDENTIFY HER.
SO WE WE TRIED NUMEROUS, NUMEROUS JUST OUTSIDE THE BOX, IDEAS AND, YOU KNOW, USING INTERNATIONAL MEDIA AND NATIONAL LOCAL MEDIA, UM, LOOKING THROUGH DATABASES OF, OF MISSING PERSONS.
BUT WE NEVER FOUND HER AS TECHNOLOGY ADVANCED.
THE UNIDENTIFIED WOMAN'S DNA N A, WAS ENTERED INTO VARIOUS DATABASES WITH THE HOPES OF A MATCH.
IN 2020, IT WAS SENT TO PARABON NANOLABS, A COMPANY LEVERAGING THE POWER OF DNA, N FORENSICS AND GENETIC GENEALOGY.
PARABON HAD SOME SUCCESS NATIONALLY WHEN THE GOLDEN STATE KILLER WAS COP THROUGH GENEALOGY RESEARCH.
IT'S ANOTHER TOOL AND IT'S ANOTHER NEWER TECHNOLOGY, AND WE DECIDED TO GIVE IT A SHOT.
THE MATCH WAS BETTER THAN 99%.
SHE WAS IDENTIFIED AS MARIA TEIS GONZALEZ.
SHE WAS 36 YEARS OLD, A MOTHER OF THREE, A WIFE.
SHE HAD DISAPPEARED FROM A KISSAME FLORIDA HOME IN MAY OF 1995, BUT NEVER REPORTED MISSING.
INVESTIGATORS TRAVELED TO FLORIDA INTERVIEWING MARIA'S HUSBAND, CHILDREN AND FAMILY MEMBERS.
DURING THE INTERVIEWS, IT WAS LEARNED THAT MARIA HAD RETURNED FROM PUERTO RICO FROM VISITING HER FAMILY.
ON THE NIGHT BEFORE SHE DISAPPEARED, SHE CAME BACK WITH A SUITCASE, STAYED THE NIGHT AT THE FAMILY HOME, WAS PRESENT IN THE HOME WITH THE HUSBAND.
WHEN THE CHILDREN WENT TO SCHOOL, ALL THREE CHILDREN WENT TO SCHOOL THAT DAY.
THE MOTHER WAS THERE, THE FATHER WAS THERE.
THEY RETURNED FROM SCHOOL, SHE WAS GONE.
AND THE SUITCASE, HER VEHICLE WAS STILL THERE.
IT'S CLEAR THAT SHE WAS NOT MURDERED IN BEAUFORT COUNTY AND PROBABLY OCCURRED IN FLORIDA.
INVESTIGATORS ALSO LEARNED OF TWO PEOPLE CLOSE TO MARIA AT THE TIME OF HER DISAPPEARANCE.
HER BEST FRIEND, WHOSE NAME MAY BE PATTY OR PATRICIA, AND A MAN MARIA, HAD BEEN HAVING AFFAIR WITH INVESTIGATORS WANT TO SPEAK TO THEM AND NEED HELP IDENTIFYING AND LOCATING THEM.
DISBELIEF BECAUSE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT DECADES OF, YOU KNOW, PROMISING LEADS THAT JUST TURN INTO NOTHING.
YOU KNOW, WE CONTACTED INTERPOL.
I MEAN, I WOULD'VE NEVER THOUGHT I'D HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH INTERPOL.
THEY, THEY ISSUED A BLACK NOTICE, WHICH IS AN UNIDENTIFIED REMAINS TO ALL THESE COOPERATING COUNTRIES THROUGHOUT THE WORLD.
SO THINGS LIKE THAT, THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU FIND HOPE AND IT'S LIKE, OKAY, WE'RE ALMOST THERE.
THE WOMAN WHO REMAINS UNIDENTIFIED FOR NEARLY 30 YEARS NOW HAS A NAME MARIA TELLIS GONZALEZ.
NEVER REPORTED MISSING AND LEFT ON A RURAL COUNTY ROAD TO NEVER BE FOUND.
THE BIG QUESTION IS NOW WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR ANSWERS TO WHO MURDERED MARIA.
AND WE LOOK TO BRING THAT PERSON TO JUSTICE.