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CAPTIONING PROVIDED BY BUFORT COUNTY TO ORDER THE, UH, TOWN OF HILTON HEAD ISLANDS PLANNING COMMISSION.UM, I WOULD START WITH THE, UH, PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.
AS WE ALWAYS DO, I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES FOR WHICH ONE NATION INVISIBLE LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR.
KAREN, MAY I ASK OUR BE IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE FREEDOM OF INFORMATION ACT ON? YES, SIR.
I WILL, KAREN, WHEN I, I'D ASK YOU TO CALL THE ROLL, PLEASE.
WE'RE GOING TO, UH, APPROVAL OF THE AGENDA FOR TODAY'S MEETING.
UH, DOES STAFF ANY CHANGES, UH, TO THE AGENDA FOR TODAY? YES, WE DO.
AND WHAT IS THAT? WE REQUEST THAT THE C I P AGENDA ITEM MOVE UP.
SO WE WOULD BE UNDER NEW BUS? NO, YEAH.
WE WOULD BE TAKING UP THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT, UH, PROGRAM FIRST, CORRECT.
AND THEN THE DISCUSSION AND, UH, ACTION ON THE, UH, RULES OF PROCEDURE.
UM, IS THERE A MOTION TO ACCEPT TODAY'S AGENDA AS CHANGED? THERE ALL IN FAVOR? RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND UNANIMOUS.
APPROVAL OF MINUTES OF OUR LAST MEETING IS, UH, JANUARY 18TH.
UH, IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES? SO MOVE BY MR. HENS SECOND HERE BY MR. SEABOLD.
ALL IN FAVOR OF APPROVING THE MINUTES OF OUR LAST MEETING.
APPEARANCE, UH, BY CITIZENS, UH, UH, DO WE HAVE, UH, ANY APPEARANCES BY CITIZENS TODAY? YES, SIR.
AND WHO IS THE, UH, FIRST PERSON TO SPEAK? OUR FIRST PERSON UP IS MS. WALINSKI P**I WIKI.
PLEASE IDENTIFY YOURSELF AND WHERE YOU LIVE.
I AM THE BOARD PRESIDENT OF THE HILTON HEAD ISLAND MOTOR COACH RESORT.
SO I WANNA THANK YOU ALL FOR ALLOWING ME TO ADDRESS YOU ABOUT OUR CONCERNS RELATING TO THE DEEP WELL PROJECT ON DUNIGAN ROAD THAT'S ADJACENT TO OUR RESORT.
UH, ALSO, YOU SHOULD, OR YOU SHOULD RE BE RECEIVING A COPY OF MY MORE DETAILED NOTES.
FIRST, I'D LIKE TO GIVE YOU AN OVERVIEW OF WHO WE ARE.
OUR RESORT HAS BEEN HERE SINCE 1978 AND SITS ON 50 ACRES OF LAND.
IT'S RATED A FIVE STAR MOTORCOACH RESORT THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY, AND INCLUDES 401 PRIVATELY OWNED LOTS WITH JUST UNDER 800 OWNERS.
BEING ON THIS BEAUTIFUL ISLAND, IT'S A DESTINATION THAT ATTRACTS PEOPLE FROM ALL OVER THE COUNTRY.
A NUMBER OF OUR OWNERS LIVE HERE FULL-TIME, AND MANY OTHERS ARE HERE FOR MONTHS AT A TIME.
FOR ALL OF US, THIS IS HOME FOR SURE.
NOT ONLY DO OUR OWNERS AND RENTAL GUESTS SUPPORT THE LOCAL BUSINESSES, BUT WE ALSO SPEND A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT TO REMAIN COMPETITIVE WITH OTHER HIGH-END RESORTS.
ON AVERAGE, THE CURRENT VALUE OF EACH LOT IS ABOUT $250,000, AND THE AVERAGE COST OF A MOTOR HOME IS ABOUT 400,000.
SO, AS YOU CAN SEE, WE HAVE A HUGE INVESTMENT IN THIS LIFESTYLE.
AND ON TOP OF THAT, THE VALUE OF THE RESORT'S OTHER HARD ASSETS, IF YOU ADD THAT, THE AMOUNT IS STAGGERING AS FAR AS THE VALUE OF OUR RESORT WITH REGARD TO THE PROJECT, WANNA MAKE IT VERY CLEAR, WE DO NOT BEGRUDGE ANYONE HAVING SAFE DRINKING WATER, INCLUDING, I MEAN, IT HELPS US TOO.
IT HELPS EVERYBODY IN THE COMMUNITY WHERE OUR CONCERNS LIE, UH, ARE THAT THE PROJECT IS BEING CONSTRUCTED SO CLOSE TO US, AND WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT THE LONG, SHORT AND LONG-TERM NEGATIVE EFFECTS.
ALSO, OUR MAIN CONCERNS INCLUDE NOISE POLLUTION, HEALTH HAZARDS, AND DECREASE IN OUR PROPERTY VALUES.
WE WERE NEVER NOTIFIED OF THE PROJECT AND ONLY FOUND OUT WHEN WE WITNESSED THE LAND BEING CLEARED.
THE BUFFER ALONG OUR PROPERTY LINE IS TOTALLY GONE.
WE MET WITH THE S I P S D AND OTHER AGENCIES, AND WERE ASSURED CERTAIN STEPS WOULD BE TAKEN.
AND WE HAVE ALSO SUGGESTED STEPS THAT WOULD MITIGATE THE NEGATIVE IMPACT.
SO FAR, NOTHING'S BEEN UNDERTAKEN.
WHEN I ASKED THE GENERAL MANAGER WHY THE SITE WAS CHOSEN, HE SAID, AND I QUOTE, I DIDN'T KNOW YOU WERE BACK HERE.
CONSIDERING WE'VE BEEN HERE FOR 45 YEARS, WE
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FIND THAT PRETTY SHOCKING.THE 400, I'M SORRY, THE 40 FOOT HIGH, 300,000 GALLON WATER HOLDING TANK WAS BUILT ONLY 30 FEET FROM OUR PROPERTY LINE.
AND IT'S NOW OUR DIRECT VIEW ON THAT SIDE OF OUR RESORT.
THE HOLDING TANK WAS SUPPOSED TO BE PAINTED A DARK CHARLESTON GREEN, SO IT WOULD BETTER BLEND INTO THE ENVIRONMENT.
EVEN SOMETHING AS SIMPLE AS THAT DID NOT HAPPEN.
SEVERAL OF US VISITED THE CORDIAL PARKWAY PLANT AND TOOK NOTE THAT IT'S VERY ISOLATED.
WE GOT GOOD EDUCATION
IN ADDITION, IT'S A MUCH SMALLER PLANT THAN THIS ONE IS PROPOSED TO BE, AND IT'S VERY NOISY.
SO WE CAN ONLY IMAGINE THE NOISE LEVEL WE'RE GOING TO ENDURE.
IN CLOSING, WE ARE ASKING THAT THE, THE DECISION MAKERS MEET WITH US AND SERIOUSLY CONSIDER OUR CONCERNS.
WE BELIEVE THIS PROJECT CAN BE A BENEFIT TO THE COMMUNITY AT LARGE, WITHOUT HAVING DIRE CONSEQUENCES ON THE LIVES OF THE 800 OF US WHO HAVE MADE THIS RESORT IN THIS ISLAND OUR HOME.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND ATTENTION TO THIS VERY SERIOUS ISSUE.
MAY I ASK YOU A QUESTION? SURE.
UM, THE PERSON OR THE PEOPLE WHO TOLD YOU THAT THEY DIDN'T EVEN KNOW YOU WERE THERE, THEY'RE, THEY'RE NOT TOWN EMPLOYEES, ARE THEY, THOSE ARE PUBLIC SERVICE DISTRICT EMPLOYEES, RIGHT? THEY'RE, THEY'RE WITH THE S I P S D.
IT WAS TABOO TOFA THAT TOLD US THAT.
WELL, UH, JUST A COUPLE OF COMES.
WE APPRECIATE YOUR STEPPING FORWARD TODAY.
AND, AND MAKING US, UH, AT THE COMMISSION HERE, MORE AWARE OF THIS.
AND, UH, WE, AS THE PLANNING COMMISSION, HAVE NO JURISDICTION OVER THE PUBLIC SERVICE DISTRICT.
BUT WE'RE MORE THAN HAPPY TO HEAR WHAT THE PUBLIC IS SAYING ON THIS ISSUE, AND WE WILL BE IN TOUCH WITH THEM ABOUT IT.
AND, UH, ANY SHORTCOMINGS WITH REGARD TO WHAT THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO DO ON PHASE ONE.
AND CERTAINLY AS WE LOOK AT, UH, UH, PREPARING PHASE TWO, WHATEVER THAT MIGHT ENTAIL, UH, BUT I, I THANK YOU FOR STEPPING FORWARD, AND WE CERTAINLY APPRECIATE IT.
AND, UH, WE WILL, UH, TAKE THIS UP WITH THE PS.
AND WE THANK YOU FOR YOUR FEEDBACK.
WE JUST WANNA WORK WITH YOU AND ANY DECISION MAKERS, SO NO, NO.
THINK THIS A WIN-WIN SITUATION.
WE, THAT'S THE ONLY WAY WE HEAR ABOUT THINGS SOMETIMES WHEN PEOPLE COME TELL US.
IS THERE A, UH, IS THERE A SECOND, UH, SPEAKER ON THIS ISSUE? YES.
UH, MY, MY NAME IS BLAINE GRINDLE, AND I ALSO LIVE AT 1 33 ARROW ROAD.
I'M HERE TODAY TO ASK FOR YOUR CONCERN AND ATTENTION TO THE S I P D S PROJECT ON DUNNA GONZAL.
I HAVE WRITTEN COMMENTS THAT I SUBMITTED.
UM, I ASK YOU TO READ THEM CAREFULLY AND UNDERSTAND OUR POSITION.
UH, I BELIEVE WE HAVE SOME SOLID GROUND TO BE CONCERNED.
UH, SINCE CONSTRUCTION ON THIS PROJECT BEGAN, WE HAVE MET WITH TOWN STAFF AND OFFICIALS OF THE PS D.
WHILE WE COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND AND SUPPORT THE CONSTRUCTION IS NEEDED DEEP WELL, WE'D LIKE TO WORK WITH ALL OF YOU TO MAKE THIS PROJECT THE LEAST IMPACTFUL ON ALL THE RESIDENTS OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD AND WEXFORD.
SINCE THE SECOND PHASE OF THIS PROJECT, WE'LL NEED PERMITTING AND PUBLIC MEETINGS.
WE HAVE ASKED TO WORK WITH PSD AND THE TOWN TO MODIFY THE DESIGN AS IT PROCEEDS.
OUR FOCUS AT THIS POINT HAS BEEN STUDYING THE SOUND CHARACTERISTICS OF THEIR EQUIPMENT BASED ON A VISIT TO THE SMALLER PLANT ON CARDILLO PARKWAY.
THEY, THEY HELPED US BY STARTING UP THE PLANT PARTIALLY AND EVEN UNDER THE PARTIAL EQUIPMENT.
UH, THEY WERE OUT OF BOUNDS AS FAR AS THESE, THE TOWN CODES GO.
UM, WE'VE MADE SUGGESTIONS TO THE P S D REGARDING THE LOCATION OF NOISE PRODUCING EQUIPMENT IN PHASE TWO.
THEIR PRELIMINARY DESIGN SHOWED THAT MUCH OF THE NOISE PRODUCING EQUIPMENT WAS FACING OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
UH, WITH SOME HOPEFULLY MINOR RELOCATIONS AND SOME SOUND DEADENING WALLS, WE THINK THE NOISE WILL BE REDUCED TO TOWN CODE LEVELS OR BELOW.
WE HAVE A DRAWING SHOWING THE PROPOSED LOCATIONS.
WE HOPE THAT THIS BOARD WILL SUPPORT US AND PARTICIPATE IN THE PROCESS TO DEVELOP A DESIGN THAT IMPROVES THE ISLAND AND DOESN'T DEGRADE OUR NEIGHBORHOODS.
UH, THE P S D HAS NOT RESPONDED TO ANY OF OUR SUGGESTIONS AT THIS POINT.
UH, OUR, OUR STUDY HAS SHOWN THAT MANY OF US WILL BE EXPOSED TO A CONSTANT LEVEL OF 60 TO 70 DECIBELS, 24 HOURS A DAY THAT EXCEEDS THE TOWN LIMITS IN YOUR OWN CODE.
WE ARE DOWNSTREAM FROM THE MIST FROM THE COOLING TOWERS, WHICH MAIN MAINTAIN MAY CONTAIN BIOLOGICAL MATTER, SUCH AS LEGIONELLA DISEASE.
I'VE OPERATED A LOT OF COOLING TOWERS, AND A LOT
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OF 'EM GET LEGIONELLA JUST BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT THEY DO.WE ARE TOO CLOSE TO THE TOWERS ACCORDING TO STANDARD DESIGN PRACTICES.
I ASK THIS COMMISSION TO CAREFULLY REVIEW THEIR NEXT APPLICATION, PAYING ATTENTION, PARTICULAR ATTENTION TO THE NOISE LEVELS THAT WILL BE GENERATED, THE EXCESSIVE RUNOFF THAT IS FLOODING OUR PROPERTIES.
AND YOU CAN SEE PICTURES OF THAT AND WHAT I SUBMITTED AND THE LOCATION OF THE COOLING TOWERS AND THE KNOWN AS HEALTH HAZARDS ASSOCIATED WITH THEM.
I ASK YOU TO SCRUTINIZE THEIR NEXT PERMIT, REQUEST VERY CAREFULLY.
THE LONG-TERM EFFECTS OF THEIR BUILDING, CONSTRUCTION LOCATION AND SOUNDPROOFING WILL ALL INFLUENCE THE QUALITY OF LIFE FOR ALL OF US.
WE ARE A HILTON HEAD ISLAND NEIGHBORHOOD.
I'D LIKE TO BE TREATED LIKE ONE.
HAVE, UH, YOU SAY THE, THE PSD HAS NOT GOTTEN BACK TO YOU OR NOT BEEN RESPONSIVE AT ALL? NO.
WE MET WITH THE MANAGER OF THE PSD OF POO, AND I GAVE HIM A DRAWING OF WHAT WE SUGGESTED THAT WOULD REDUCE THE NOISE LEVELS TO ACCEPTABLE LEVELS.
AND HE LOOKED AT IT AND SAID, WELL, WE HAVEN'T STARTED ENGINEERING.
AND THEN IN SUBSEQUENT CONVERSATIONS WITH DIFFERENT PEOPLE, IT'S, OH, IT'S ALL DESIGNED.
WE'RE NOT GONNA CHANGE ANYTHING.
SO WE'RE GETTING A LOT OF TONGUE LASHING FROM THEM, AND FRANKLY, WE'RE TIRED OF IT, AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE.
THE TOWN TAKES A RESPONSIBILITY TO CONTROL THIS.
AND YOU HAVE BEEN IN TOUCH WITH, UH, YOU AND YOUR COLLEAGUES HAVE BEEN IN TOUCH WITH TOWN STAFF WITH REGARD TO THIS PHASE TWO THING, CORRECT.
UH, THE PHASE TWO, NOT, NOT AS MUCH, BUT WHAT THEY DID WAS A SNEAKY LITTLE THING.
THEY COMBINED THE PHASE TWO WITH THE PHASE ONE, UM, EVEN THOUGH WE STILL HAVE TO HAVE A PERMIT AND TI AND HEARINGS ON PHASE TWO, BUT THE DESIGN WAS ALL DONE, UH, WHEN PHASE ONE AND A ACCEPTED BY MISSY, UH, UH, A AS PART OF THEIR NO, UH, NOTICE TO PROCEED.
UM, SO THAT'S WHERE WE'RE FIGHTING AN UPHILL BATTLE BECAUSE THEY HAVE SOME APPROVALS AND WE JUST DON'T THINK ENOUGH STUDY WAS DONE, UH, UP FRONT TO SAY, YOU KNOW, THIS ISN'T A GOOD IDEA AND IT'S NOT FAIR TO US.
UH, ANOTHER COMMENT BACK HERE.
I'D LIKE JUST TO FILL YOU IN A LITTLE BIT.
WE DID YOU GO STEP TO THE MICROPHONE, PLEASE? I'M SORRY.
WE HAD HIM OVER TO OUR RESORT.
SO TO SHOW HIM WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, WE WENT TO THE S I P S D BOARD MEETING ON THE 24TH OF JANUARY.
UH, WE'VE HAD INSPECTORS OUT A COUPLE TIMES, THE TOWN INSPECTOR AS EARLY AS YESTERDAY TO ASSESS THE FLOODING WE'RE EXPERIENCING FROM RUNOFF.
SO WE'VE HAD AT LEAST SEVEN SEVEN MEETINGS.
WITH, WITH THE S I P S D IN TOWN.
UH, I PROMISE YOU THAT, UH, WE WILL BE IN TOUCH WITH THE, UH, WEXFORD, UH, DISTRICT ONE PS D AND, UH, LET THEM KNOW ABOUT, UH, YOUR CONCERNS AND WHAT WAS EXPRESSED HERE TODAY.
IS THERE, ARE THERE ANY OTHER SIGNED UP SPEAKERS FOR TODAY? SAID STAFF.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT'S ON THE LIST? YES, MS. KANGAS.
HELLO, MY NAME'S JEANIE KANGAS.
I OWN AND LIVE ON LOT 2 85 IN THE HILTON HEAD ISLAND MOTOR COACH RESORT.
I'M HERE TO RECAP WHAT YOU'VE HEARD FROM MY NEIGHBORS, BUD AND MERRILLS TODAY.
THIS NEW WATER PLANT IS ALREADY IMPACTING OUR RESORT PROPERTY OWNERS AND RENTERS WITH THE FOLLOWING CONCERNS.
THE NOISE POLLUTION, FOR EXAMPLE, WHEN COMPLETED, EACH OF THE SIX PROPOSED COOLING TOWERS WILL SOUND LIKE LOCOMOTIVE ENGINES RUNNING 24 7 WITH NO NOISE.
LEGIONNAIRE LEGIONELLA DISEASE IS INHERENTLY PRESENT IN COOLING TOWERS AND UNINTERRUPTED LONG-TERM EXPOSURE TO HIGH SOUND LEVELS HAS HEALTH RISKS.
THE DECREASE IN OUR PROPERTY VALUES, FOR EXAMPLE, OUR NATURAL PRESERVED SETTING HAS BEEN REPLACED WITH AN UNSIGHTLY INDUSTRIAL PLANT 30 FEET FROM OUR PROPERTY.
WE ARE HERE TODAY BECAUSE WE HAVE BEEN TOLD THAT PHASE TWO, WHICH ADDRESSES THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE OPERATING PLANT, HAS NOT YET BEEN PERMITTED PRESENTLY.
SIPS A'S EXISTING PHASE TWO PROJECT SCHEMATIC HAS NO SIGHT OR SOUND MITIGATION INCORPORATED.
AT THIS STAGE, THERE IS TIME AND OPPORTUNITY TO CAREFULLY EVALUATE THE PROPOSED LAYOUT AND DESIGN.
FOR EXAMPLE, WE HAVE BEEN ADVISED THAT COOLING TOWER DESI COOLING TOWER DESIGN
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AND SELECTION IS CRITICAL TO NOISE GENERATION AND OR THAT SIMPLY REARRANGING THE COOLING TOWERS CAN DIRECT NOISE AWAY FROM MY RESORT RATHER THAN DIRECTLY INTO OUR RESORT AS PRESENTLY PROPOSED.IN ADDITION, WE HAVE BEEN ADVISED THAT SIGHT AND SOUND BARRIERS CAN EASILY BE ADDED.
WE'VE REACHED OUT TO SIP IID AND HAVE RECEIVED NO INDICATION THAT THEY HAVE ANY INTENTION OF A ADDRESSING OUR CONCERNS.
AND BECAUSE SIP IID HAS ALREADY ONE DISREGARDED THEIR REQUIRED BUFFER AND TWO HAVE NOT TAKEN STEPS TO ADDRESS WATER RUNOFF, THIS PROJECT NEEDS OVERSIGHT.
WE ASK THAT THE TOWN CAREFULLY REVIEW THE PERMIT APPLICATION FOR PHASE TWO, WHICH ADDRESSES THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE OPERATING PLANT.
AND BEFORE APPRA APPROVAL OF PHASE TWO REQUIRE THAT CIID INCORPORATES SOUND AND SIGHT MITIGATION.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER, UH, SPEAKERS THAT ARE LISTED ON OUR, UH, NO SIR, PRE RESIGNATION? ANY OTHER COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC ON THIS ISSUE? OKAY, THANK YOU.
UH, BUT WE WILL BE IN TOUCH WITH THE, UH, PS D REGARDING YOUR COMMENTS AND MAKE SURE THAT, UH, THEY UNDERSTAND THAT THIS IS IN THEIR COURT, THIS BALL IS IN THEIR COURT, AND THAT, UH, THE TOWN, I CAN ASSURE YOU, THE STAFF OF THE TOWN WILL DO WHAT WE CAN AND SHOULD BE DOING.
UM, UH, I CAN'T BELIEVE THE NON-RESPONSE ON THE PART OF THE P S D I REALLY CAN'T.
WE'LL MOVE ON TO, UH, LET'S SEE HERE.
WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING BEFORE US IN THAT REGARD.
UNDER NEW BUSINESS, WE'RE GONNA SKIP DOWN THE ITEM B, CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM, FISCAL YEAR 2024 PRIORITY PROJECT.
AND, UH, JENNIFER ARRAY FROM STAFF WILL BE MAKING A PRESENTATION ON THIS.
AND YOU HAVE ANOTHER MEETING THAT YOU NEED TO BE AT, JENNIFER.
UH, WHAT, WHAT TIME IS YOUR, UH, NEXT COMMITMENT? OH, IT WAS AT, IT'S ONE 30 TO THREE 30.
SO I RAN OVER HERE, UM, TO DO THIS MEETING.
I'LL RUN BACK AS SOON AS WE'RE FINISHED HERE.
I DON'T WANNA ENOUGH SHORT CHANGE THIS DISCUSSION CUZ IT'S IMPORTANT, UM, FOR US TO BE HERE TODAY.
I DON'T WANT THE OTHER MEETING TO MISS YOU.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR, UH, FOR BEING SO ACCOMMODATING.
UM, JENNIFER RAY CAPITAL PROGRAM MANAGER FOR THE RECORD, AND I'M HERE TODAY, UM, BECAUSE THE, UM, C I P COMMITTEE OF PLANNING COMMISSION MADE A RECOMMENDATION TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO CONSIDER THESE PRIORITY PROJECTS AND MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO TOWN COUNCIL.
SO OUR C I P PROCESS GOES THROUGH SEVERAL DIFFERENT GROUPS AND RIGHT NOW WE ARE HERE AT PLANNING COMMISSION.
WE ARE AT THE PARKS AND REC COMMISSION IN DECEMBER AND JANUARY.
WE ARE, WERE AT PLANNING COMMISSION, C I P COMMITTEE, UM, LAST MONTH AND THEN HERE TODAY.
AND THEN YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS WILL BE PART OF THE PACKET THAT GOES TO TOWN COUNCIL FOR THEIR BUDGET CONSIDERATION.
THERE WERE SOME COMMENTS THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION C I P COMMITTEE MADE SOME RECOMMENDATIONS ADDING A PATHWAY BETWEEN SHELTER COVE TOWN CENTER AND SHELTER COVE MARINA, ADDING PICKLEBALL COURTS TO CHAPLAIN COMMUNITY PARK PATHWAY FROM ARROW ROAD TO WEXFORD, IMPROVING SIGNAGE, HISTORIC MITCHELLVILLE FREEDOM PARK, JONESVILLE MILLER ROAD, IMPROVEMENTS IN FEASIBILITY.
AND THEN SPECIFYING THAT PHASE ONE OF MID ISLAND PARK SHOULD INCLUDE EARTHWORK TRAILS, PATHWAYS AND PARKING.
WE HAVE PROJECTS, UM, GROUPED INTO THESE EIGHT DIFFERENT CATEGORIES.
AND IN YOUR PACKET YOU HAD, UM, THE DETAILED SPREADSHEET.
UM, WHAT I PROPOSED TO DO, UM, MR. CHAIRMAN, AND THIS, UM, IS UP TO YOU AND THE FELLOW COMMISSIONERS ON THIS SPREADSHEET YOU'LL SEE, UM, WHERE STAFF MADE A RANKING AND THEN PARKS AND REC COMMISSION AND THEN P C C I P COMMITTEE.
AND WHAT WE DID THIS YEAR IS, UM, RANKED THINGS WITH ONES, TWOS, AND THREES.
SO ONES WERE THE MOST IMPORTANT SOMETHING WE SHOULD DO NOW.
UM, THOSE MIGHT BE THINGS THAT WE'VE ALREADY STARTED THAT NEED TO CONTINUE ONGOING MAINTENANCE TYPE ITEMS OR LIKE OUR HAVE TO DO THINGS.
THEN THINGS THAT WE COULD PUSH OUT A LITTLE BIT MAY HAVE GOTTEN A TWO THAT WOULD BE IN THE NEXT, UM, TWO TO THREE YEAR PERIOD AND THEN FARTHER.
SO WHAT I, UM, WOULD PROPOSE, UM, FOR THE PLANNING COMMISSION TODAY IS THAT I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AND, AND WE DON'T NEED TO GO PROJECT BY PROJECT, BUT IF YOU HAVE ANYTHING THAT YOU DISAGREE WITH RIGHT.
OR WANNA ADD TO, I THINK THAT WOULD BE AN EFFICIENT WAY.
IS THERE, WE CAN GO SECTION BY SECTION AND I CAN ASK THE MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION IF THEY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS.
UH, I'D SEE AN AWFUL LOT OF NUMBER ONES ON HERE AND, UH, WE PROBABLY NEED TO, UH, UH, HONE THAT BACK.
WE CAN'T DO EVERYTHING ALL AT ONCE IN THE SAME YEAR.
SO, UH, AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WOULD, IT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO YOU IF WE STARTED MAYBE, UH,
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MAKING ONE A'S AND ONE B'S OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.OTHERWISE, UM, STAFF WILL HAVE TO DO THAT AS WE TAKE IT TO, UM, TOWN COUNCIL BECAUSE AS YOU ALLUDED TO, WHILE WELL STAFF OVER THE BUDGET IS NOT, UM, SOMETHING THAT YOU ALL HAVE CONTROL OVER, I KNOW THAT WHEN WE PUT ALL OF THESE ONES RIGHT IN THERE, WE CAN'T AFFORD IT, NOR DO WE HAVE THE TIME AND CAPACITY NO.
UM, ALRIGHT, SO LET'S, UH, START WITH THE BEACH MANAGEMENT TO, UH, MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION.
IF YOU HAVE ANYTHING ON THE BEACH MANAGEMENT LIST THAT YOU'D LIKE TO COMMENT ON OR RE-PRIORITIZE AS A ONE B INSTEAD OF A ONE A, UH, ANY MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION, UH, HAVE A POINT ON THIS FIRST SECTION? UH, UH, MR. O'NEILL? YES.
I, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S A POINT ON THIS SECTION, BUT I, I JUST WANNA, IS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THE ORDER OF THIS LIST HAS ANY, UH, IMPORTANCE? IN OTHER WORDS, YOU KNOW, SINCE THEY ARE ALL NUMBER ONES, IS LET'S JUST TAKE AN EXAMPLE, UH, UNDER PATHWAY MAINTENANCE AND IMPROVEMENTS.
UM, IT'S LISTED FIRST ON THE LIST AS A NEW FISCAL YEAR 24.
SO THAT'S, IN MY MIND ANYWAY, UNDERSTOOD TO BE AFTER CARRYOVER 20 THREES FROM A PRIORITY STANDPOINT IS THAT I WOULD SAY THAT WITHIN EACH CATEGORY, THEY ARE NOT IN A PRIORITY ORDER.
BECAUSE ON THIS PAGE, FOR INSTANCE, SINCE YOU MENTIONED PATHWAY, THE TOP PART IS, UM, MORE GENERAL PATHWAY TYPE PROJECTS.
AND THEN THE BOTTOM, YOU CAN SEE IT'S NEW PATHWAY SEGMENT, RIGHT.
SO THEY'RE ALL GROUPED TOGETHER, SO THEY'RE NOT NECESSARILY IN PRIORITY ORDER.
ONCE YOU LOOK AT THAT NEW PATHWAY SEGMENT, YOU WILL SEE THAT THE CARRY FORWARDS ARE FIRST.
AND I WOULD IN THAT CASE, PROPOSE THAT WHAT YOU'RE GETTING AT IS EXACTLY RIGHT, THAT WE WOULD FINISH THOSE CARRY FORWARD PROJECTS BEFORE WE MOVED ON TO SOME OF THOSE NEW PROJECTS.
SO IN GENERAL THEN CARRY FORWARDS ARE ONE AND, UH, NEW FOR 24 ARE A TWO.
IF THAT'S THE, IF THAT'S THE DIRECTION ONE THAT YOU ALL WOULD LIKE TO RECOMMEND.
UM, I LIKE THAT ALAN, AND WE'VE GOTTA KNOW WHAT'S YEAH.
WHAT'S CURRENT SO THAT WE DON'T KILL IT.
SO UNDER, UNDER, UH, PATHWAY MANAGEMENT, UH, AND, UH, MR. O'NEIL JUMP IN IF YOU ANY TIME IF YOU WANT, BUT WE HAVE, UH, CARRIE FORWARD THE SHELTER CO LANE.
SO THAT SHOULD BE A ONE A RIGHT.
WILLIAM HILTON PARKWAY, UH, SHELTER COVE LANE TO MATTHEWS DRIVE, FOLIC FIELD, THAT IS A CARRY FORWARD.
SO THAT SHOULD BE A ONE A AND THE JONESVILLE ROAD, UH, THING, WHICH WOULD BE A, A ONE A.
NOW, IF WE LOOK UP TO NEW 4 24, YOU HAVE A PATHWAY MAINTENANCE AND IMPROVEMENT.
THOSE ARE JUST GENERAL EXPENDITURES MAINTAINING RIGHT.
THOSE FIRST TWO ITEMS. THOSE ARE THINGS THAT WE DO EVERY YEAR WHEN WE FIND SOMETHING'S BROKEN AND WE NEED TO GO OUT AND FIX IT.
SO THAT I WOULD CALL THE HAVE TO DO THINGS.
THOSE ARE, UM, SPOT IMPROVEMENTS AND SAFETY ITEMS. ALL RIGHT.
WELL, UH, WITH THE PERMISSION OF THE COMMISSIONER'S, AND IF YOU HAVE ANY OBJECTIONS, PLEASE SPEAK UP.
UM, HOW ABOUT, UH, I PROPOSE THAT WE MAKE THOSE FIRST THREE THAT JUST MENTIONED SHELTER COVE, THE WILLIAM HELTON PARKWAY IN JONESVILLE IS ONE.
A'S, IS THERE ANY OTHER THING THAT SHOULD BE ON ONE A THAT'S ON THIS LIST, AND DO YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS OR CRITICISMS OF THAT? I, I THINK WE JUST ONLY PUT ONGOING PROJECTS AS AN A.
UH, THAT, THAT ALERTS US THAT THEY'RE ONGOING PROJECTS.
ANY OTHER IS, IS THAT OKAY WITH YOU ON THIS PARTICULAR PARK? UH, PATHWAY MANAGEMENT? COULD I ASK, COULD I ASK A, A CLARIFYING QUESTION UNDER THE JONESVILLE ROAD PROJECT WHERE IT SAYS, PENDING THE RESULTS OF A FEASIBILITY ASSESSMENT, COULD YOU TELL ME WHAT THAT ENTAILS? YES, SIR.
WE ARE CURRENTLY WORKING ON A FEASIBILITY ASSESSMENT WHERE OUR CONSULTANT TEAM AND STAFF ARE LOOKING AT IS A PATHWAY EVEN GOING TO BE PLAUSIBLE IN THAT AREA BASED ON THE NUMBER OF, UM, ENCUMBRANCES ALONG THE WAY? IT, CAN IT BE A OFF-ROAD PATHWAY LIKE WE NORMALLY DO? CAN IT BE WIDE? DOES THAT NEED TO BE A BIKE LANE BEFORE WE JUST JUMP IN AND START DESIGNING IT? YEAH, THERE ARE.
SO WE'RE DOING THAT RIGHT NOW.
WE ANTICIPATE HAVING INITIAL RESULTS OF THAT THIS MONTH, UM, BY THE END OF FEBRUARY.
AND THEN THAT'LL HELP LEAD US TO WHAT DO WE SURVEY AND WHAT DO WE, UM, ENGINEER IN THE NEXT PHASE ALONG THAT ROADWAY.
AND I'VE, AS PART OF THIS GETTING ON HERE, I HAVE GONE UP AND DOWN THAT ROADWAY A LONG TIME AND I, UH, THERE'S SPECIMEN TREES AND OTHER THINGS RIGHT BESIDE THE ROAD, SO THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO GO AROUND THOSE.
AND SO THAT'S PART OF THE PROBLEM IS DOZENS OF MAILBOXES, FIRE HYDRANTS, DITCHES, TREES, EVERY SIDE OF THE ROAD AND ALL THAT SORT OF THING.
ANY, UH, OBJECTION, JUST DOING THOSE FIRST THREE IS ONE A'S, AND EVERYTHING ELSE IS A ONE B ON THAT.
IF YOU HAVE ANY OBJECTIONS, PLEASE SPEAK UP.
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UH, BUT I DO HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT, UM, THE SHELTER COVE TOWN CENTER TO SHELTER COVE MARINA.IS THAT THE PROJECT? THE, UH, THE CIP P SUBCOMMITTEE TALKED ABOUT LAST MEETING? YES, SIR.
THAT WAS A RECOMMENDATION YES.
FROM A CITIZEN, UM, THAT WE ADDED THAT ONE.
THERE'S A SECOND PAGE TO THIS TOO.
UM, WE ALSO TALKED ABOUT AT YOUR COMMITTEE MEETING, ADDING THE ITEMS THAT, UM, BIKE WALK HILTON HAD HAD ADDED BEFORE, OR HAD RECOMMENDED BEFORE WE HAD THAT ON A SEPARATE SHEET OF PAPER.
SO WE'VE ADDED THOSE, UM, TO THIS LIST AS WELL.
THAT'S WHY THERE WASN'T A STAFF RANKING BECAUSE THEY BROUGHT IT TO US.
SO UNDER, UH, FROM THE, UH, THE BIKE, UH, COMMISSION OR COMMITTEE, THE, UH, OTHER, WHAT WAS THEIR, UH, PRIORITIES FOR THIS, UH, 24 WITH THE, UH, ARE THEY LISTED ON HERE? SEE, THERE'RE THERE'S SOME TWO ONES, TWOS AND THREES THEN, BECAUSE THEY KNEW, FOR INSTANCE, THE GARDNER ROAD TO, UM, GARDNER DRIVE TO GUMTREE, OR GUMTREE TO SQUIRE POPE, THOSE COULD BE, UM, PART OF THE GATEWAY CORRIDOR PROJECT.
SO THOSE WERE CONSIDERED THREES BECAUSE IT'LL BE IMPORTANT AT SOME POINT, BUT IT'S PREMATURE AT THIS TIME.
SO THAT WAS INCORPORATED INTO YOUR PACKET WITH THE TWO AND 3 1, 2, AND THREE RANKING.
UH, LET'S MOVE ON FROM, UH, PATHWAY MANAGEMENT TO, UH, LET'S SEE, WHAT'S NEXT ON OUR SHIFT? ROADWAY MANAGEMENT IS NEXT.
ROADWAY MANAGEMENT, AGAIN, LET'S LOOKING FORWARD HERE.
THE CARRY FORWARDS ARE QUITE A FEW HERE IN THIS ONE.
UM, AND THEN THERE'S AN ITEM, OTHER ROADS TO BE DETERMINED.
EVERYTHING IN HERE IS PRETTY MUCH A CARRY FORWARD EXCEPT THE PALMETTO BAY, UH, SEASCAPE STREET SCAPE ENHANCEMENTS, WHICH IS NEW 24.
AND THE, UH, UNDER THE OTHER ERODES TO BE DETERMINED.
I MEAN, DO WE KNOW WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THERE? THAT'S IN THE DIRT ROAD.
UM, PAVING SECTION SPECIFICALLY, AND I'VE LISTED SOME, IT MAY INCLUDE CHRISTOPHER DRIVE OR ONDA WAY, DARLING ROAD, MANATEE WAY.
WE ARE, EVERY YEAR WE DO AN ASSESSMENT OF THE CONDITION AND THE NUMBER OF, UM, RESIDENCES THAT WOULD BE IMPACTED.
AND SO IT WOULD BE ONE OF THAT SECTION, THOSE ARE THE NEXT ONES ON THE LIST.
AND DEPENDING ON HOW CONVERSATIONS GO WITH PROPERTY OWNERS IN THAT AREA WOULD DETERMINE WHICH ONE, UM, MOVES UP TO BE THE NEXT ROAD.
WITHOUT PROLONGING THIS, ARE THERE ANYTHING UNDER A ROADWAY, UH, PROJECTS OR ROADWAY MANAGEMENT THAT, UH, I WOULD JUST SAY EVERYTHING THAT'S A CARRY FORWARD IS AN A ONE A AND QUITE A FEW OF 'EM ON HERE.
BUT, UH, DOES ANYBODY HAVE, UH, UH, ONES THAT SHOULD NOT BE A ONE A? ANY COMMENTS? UH, J JUST A QUESTION.
UH, THE, THE SEVERAL OF THESE ARE, UH, PENDING A HUNDRED PERCENT RIGHT OF WAY ACQUISITIONS ARE, IS THAT JUST, IS THAT ROUTINE OR DO YOU EXPECT ANY ISSUES TO, TO BE A PROBLEM WITH EX WELL, THAT'S ALWAYS THE CASE WITH THE DIRT ROW PAVING PROGRAM.
UM, WHEN THAT WAS, UM, MODIFIED A FEW YEARS AGO, THE DIRECTION WAS THAT WE WEREN'T BUYING RIGHT OF WAY.
IT HAS TO BE A HUNDRED PERCENT DONATION, THEN WE WILL COME IN AND PAVE THE ROAD AND MAINTAIN IT IN PERPETUITY.
SOMETIMES EVERYONE COMES IN IN AGREEMENT AND SAYS, WE WANT OUR ROAD BUILT.
AND SOMETIMES THERE'S ONE THAT DOESN'T, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW, MITCHELLVILLE LANE, WE'RE READY TO GO.
WE HAVE SOMEONE THAT HAS NOT AGREED YET TO SIGN THE PETITION, UM, DONATING THAT RIGHT OF WAY, SO THAT ONE IS ON HOLD INDEFINITELY.
UM, AND THEN WE'LL COME BACK IF, IF WE CAN'T GET EVERYONE TOGETHER, BUT MOST PEOPLE WANT IT, WE'LL COME BACK THE NEXT YEAR AND JUST CHECK IN AND SAY, HEY, TAKE YOUR TEMPERATURE.
HOW'S EVERYBODY FEEL NOW? SOMETIMES, SOMETIMES THINGS CHANGE.
SOMEONE THAT DIDN'T WANT IT PAVED CHANGES THEIR MIND.
AND SO IT DOESN'T MEAN THEY'RE OFF THE LIST FOREVER.
WE'LL JUST MOVE ON TO THE NEXT ROADS THAT ARE NEEDED.
UNDER THE J THE, UH, PALMETTO BAY ROADS, UH, STREETSCAPE ENHANCEMENTS, UH, WHAT, WHAT DOES THAT ENTAIL? DO YOU KNOW? CAN YOU TELL US? YES, THAT WAS, THAT'S COMING OUT OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THE CORRIDORS PLAN THAT WE ARE WRAPPING UP, UM, RIGHT NOW BRINGING TO TOWN COUNCIL HOPEFULLY IN MARCH, UM, AND APRIL.
BUT WE RECOGNIZE THE NEED ON PALMETTO BAY ROAD TO HAVE A PATHWAY ON BOTH SIDES.
CUZ RIGHT NOW IT'S NOT ON THE SEA PINE SIDE, SO YOU CAN'T, IF YOU COME OUT OF POINT COMFORT, YOU HAVE HAVE TO CROSS THE STREET, GO DOWN THE OTHER SIDE, AND THEN CROSS BACK AGAIN TO GO TO PUBLIX, FOR INSTANCE.
AND SO LOOKING AT A PATHWAY ON BOTH SIDES OF THE ROAD AND THEN SOME INTERSECTION IMPROVEMENTS, LANDSCAPING.
YOU KNOW, JUST GENERAL CLEANUP AND ATTENTION IN THERE.
THAT WOULD BE, IN MY OPINION, AND I WOULD ASK MY
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COLLEAGUES TO COMMENT, BUT, UH, I WOULD SAY THAT THE, UH, ITEM I AND ITEM J WOULD BE BS AT ONE BS THEN.ANY PROBLEMS OR COMMENTS, PLEASE SPEAK UP.
I DO HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE, UH, THE LINE ITEM ABOVE THE ONE YOU JUST MENTIONED, THE PALMETTO BAY STREET SCAPE ENHANCEMENTS.
THERE'S ONE GENERAL STREETSCAPE ENHANCEMENTS, BUT IT ISN'T REALLY DEFINED.
THAT WAS FOR THE SECTION POPE AVENUE, PALMETTO BAY, ARROW ROAD.
SO THAT SECTION OF CORRIDORS IS BEING STUDIED TOGETHER RIGHT NOW.
SO ANY FUNDS THAT ARE LEFT IN THAT WE WOULD CARRY FORWARD AND KEEP DOING IT MM-HMM.
CUZ THE RECOMMENDATIONS IN THE CORRIDOR PLAN ARE REAL HIGH LEVEL RECOMMENDATIONS.
IT'S MORE OF A, UM, KIT OF PARTS, IF YOU WILL MM-HMM.
SO WE GO TO THE SECTION THAT SAYS INTERSECTION SHOULD HAVE THIS TYPE OF, UM, PAVING, THIS TYPE OF CROSSWALK, THIS TYPE OF SIGNAGE, AND APPLY IT TO THE ACTUAL ROADWAY ITSELF.
AND SO THAT'S WHAT WE WOULD BE DOING IN THAT PALMETTO BAY SECTION.
FAIR ENOUGH QUESTION, WHAT'S YOUR THOUGHTS ABOUT ADDING MORE PARKING IN PALM BAY AREA? PARKING IN PALMETTO BAY? YEAH.
GENERAL PARKING TO SERVE, TO SERVE.
WHAT AREA DO YOU OH, THE, UM, THAT WAS SHOPPING CENTERS AROUND THERE.
IN THE PARKING IN THE PARK AREA? WELL, UM, FOR THE PARK, FOR CROSSINGS PARK AREA, WE ARE TALKING ABOUT ADDING MORE PARKING.
WE HAD A WORKSHOP YESTERDAY WHERE WE TALKED ABOUT SOME IMPROVEMENTS AND THERE WILL BE A NEED FOR PARKING, BUT, UM, STAFF HASN'T BEEN ASKED TO ADD PARKING TO SERVE ANY OF THE, UM, COMMERCIAL, COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES AROUND THERE.
I KNOW CONNECTIVITY TO GET TO THEM IS A ISSUE EITHER GETTING PEDESTRIANS OR VEHICLES THROUGH AND CONNECTED TO THAT.
SO THAT'S DEFINITELY SOMETHING WE WOULD BE WANTING TO HELP WITH.
THERE'S ALSO PLANS WITH SOME OF THE ISLAND WIDE MASTER PLANNING AND DISTRICT PLANNING TO LOOK AT THE PALMETTO BAY ROAD AS A DISTRICT, THAT AREA, AND THAT COULD BE WHERE PARKING WOULD COME UP.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS? WE'LL MOVE ON TO PARK MANAGEMENT IF THERE ARE NO OTHERS.
UH, QUITE A FEW CARRY FORWARDS HERE AS YOU CAN SEE.
UM, BUT WE DO HAVE SOME NEW ONES.
UH, AGAIN, I WOULD SUGGEST WE PUT ALL THE CARRY FORWARDS INTO ONE A CATEGORY, BUT WE HAVE SOME NEW 20 FOURS IF ANYBODY WOULD LIKE TO SEE, UH, UH, TO ADD THAT TO A ONE A CATEGORY UNDER THE ONES THAT ARE NEW.
ANY, IF I MAY, THE ISLAND RECREATION ASSOCIATION IS LISTED AS NEW, BUT THAT'S SOMETHING WE DO EVERY YEAR.
UM, TYPICALLY THEY, UM, ASK FOR HELP WITH CAPITAL PROJECTS.
WE GIVE THEM A AMOUNT OF MONEY.
IT'S CALLED NEW BECAUSE THEY'LL FINISH ALL THEIR PROJECTS, THEN A THEN ASK FOR A NEW POT OF MONEY.
SO THEY'RE MAKING THAT REQUEST FOR FY 24.
AND WHERE IS THAT LOCATED HERE? IT SAYS O O, UM, HERE AT THE OKAY.
UH, ANY COMMENTS ON THESE GENTLEMEN? AM I AHEAD WHEN I'M ON YOU? YOU HERE? HMM.
MR. CHAIRMAN, I'M, AM I AHEAD? WHEN I'M TALKING ABOUT YOU, I'M JUST THINKING OF OUR PRIORITY PROCESS AGAIN, WHERE A NEW 24 IS KIND OF AUTO AUTOMATICALLY A B.
SO UNLESS YOU WANT TO MOVE IT UP.
WELL, I, I, THE QUESTION IS, IS STAFF OKAY WITH THE, UH, FACILITY ENHANCEMENTS BEING PUSHED OUT FURTHER? WH WHICH ONE ARE YOU ON? I'M ON YOU ON YOU, UH, TO TOWN HALL FACILITY ENHANCEMENTS? YES.
UM, I THINK SOME OF THAT IS A HAVE TO DO.
WE HAVE SOME BUILDING ISSUES HERE IN TERMS OF NEEDING A NEW GENERATOR.
WE HAVE SOME, UM, REPAIR WORK THAT WE NEED TO DO, SOME STRUCTURAL WORK.
AND SO I THINK, UM, WHEN THIS GOES TO TOWN COUNCIL AND IT HAS, UM, DOLLARS ASSOCIATED WITH IT, WE WILL BE RECOMMENDING DOING SOME OF THAT IN FY 24, BUT PUSHING SOME OF IT OUT TO 25, 26, SO THAT IT IS A MORE MANAGEABLE AMOUNT OF WORK.
SO GIVEN THAT AND OUR THOUGHT PROCESS HERE, YOU MIGHT CALL THAT A ONE A I WOULD CALL IT A ONE A, BUT THAT WOULD BE MY RECOMMENDATION TO YEAH, PLEASE, PLEASE MAKE, MAKE A NOTE OF THAT.
UM, SO ARE WE, ARE WE FINISHED WITH, WE, I WAS BACK ON, UH, SORRY.
I GOT, YEAH, WE KIND OF JUMPED ON MY VICE.
MY VICE CHAIRMAN IS ALWAYS OUT FRONT.
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ALWAYS IN THE BACKGROUND OR CONFUS.I WAS UNDER ROADWAY MANAGEMENT.
AND I, LET ME JUST FINALIZE ROADWAY MANAGEMENT.
ANY OTHER PROJECTS ON THERE THAT ARE, UH, YOU KNOW, SHOULD BE ONE A'S OR B'S THAT SHOULD BE CHANGED FROM WHAT THEY ARE? NO.
ARE YOU HEARING NOTHING? WE'LL MOVE ON.
NOW WE'RE YOUR AREA, MR. VICE CHAIRMAN, WE'RE AT PARK MANAGEMENT, RIGHT? IS THAT RIGHT? RIGHT.
PARK MANAGEMENT, THERE ARE A LOT OF CARRY FORWARDS BECAUSE YES, SIR.
A LOT OF STUFF'S BEEN IN PLANNING AND IT'LL MOVE, UM, TOWARD ENGINEERING AND PERMITTING, CONSTRUCTION.
THIS IS WHERE I MENTIONED THAT THE ISLAND REC ASSOCIATION, I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT THAT BE A ONE A AND EVEN THOUGH IT'S CALLED NEW, UM, IF THAT ALL RIGHT.
WE, UH, UNDER THE PARK MANAGEMENT THING, I SEE THE ONE, UH, EVERYTHING, ALL THE CARRY FORWARD PROJECTS SHOULD BE ONE OF AS.
AND ALSO THAT INCLUDES THE PUBLIC ART PROGRAM, WHICH IS THE LAST ITEM UNDER O UH, CARRIE FORWARD.
UM, ANY OF THE NEW PROJECTS UNDER FY 24 THAT YOU ALL THINK SHOULD BE A ONE, A PRIORITY? ANYTHING THERE? JUMP OUT AT A COMMISSIONER? NO, THEN THOSE ARE ALL ONE BS.
SO WE'RE OUT OF PARKS INTO FACILITIES AND EQUIPMENT.
AND IF I CAN ADD A NOTE WITH THIS TO, THERE ARE A LOT OF NEW UNDER FACILITIES AND EQUIPMENT, BECAUSE A LOT OF THAT ARE THINGS THAT WE, UM, BUY AND INSTALL.
SO IT MIGHT BE, UM, CABLES FROM A IT STANDPOINT THAT YOU ALL WE'RE DOING IS PLACING AN ORDER AND PLUGGING IT, PLUGGING IT IN.
SO THERE IS A LOT MORE NEW ON THAT LIST.
UM, IT'S STUFF THAT WE NEED TO DO, BUT IT'S, UM, AN EASY LIFT, IF YOU WILL, UM, FOR STAFF.
SO THAT'S WHY THERE'S SO MUCH THAT IS NEW BECAUSE MORE OF THAT GETS FINISHED, UM, YEAR AFTER YEAR.
SO DO WE HAVE ANYTHING UNDER FACILITIES MANAGEMENT, UH, AND EQUIPMENT THAT, UH, WE NEED TO REPRIORITIZE HERE? CUZ THERE'S A LOT OF NEW STUFF THERE.
UH, WE'LL TAKE THE ONE A'S AS BEING CARRIED FORWARDS, BUT ANY, ANY NEW PROJECTS THAT SHOULD BE MOVED IN THE ONE A CATEGORY? UM, JUST A, A QUESTION WITH REGARD TO THE COASTAL DISCOVERY MUSEUM IN THE HISTORIC MITCHELLVILLE PARK.
ARE THOSE, THOSE, ARE THOSE ANNUAL, ARE THOSE ARE MORE OR LESS ANNUAL? YES, SIR.
JUST LIKE THE ISLAND RECREATIONAL ASSOCIATION.
THEY FALL BECAUSE WE OWN THE, THAT PROPERTY, UM, THOSE FACILITIES THAT IT FALLS UNDER OUR CAPITAL PROJECTS.
BUT A LOT OF THEM, THEY ARE MAINTAIN, THEY ARE, UM, ACTIVELY MANAGING WITH THE WORK.
ANYTHING UNDER PHIL FACILITIES AND EQUIPMENT, UH, MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION.
IF NOT, WE WILL PUT THE FREE CARRY FORWARDS AS, AS AND THE NEW ONES AS BS.
UNLESS SOMEBODY HAS AN OBJECTION AND WANTS TO ADD SOMETHING, HEARING NOTHING, WE WILL MOVE ON.
WE'RE NOW UP TO, UH, WELL, WE'RE STILL GOING THROUGH IT, AREN'T WE? YEAH.
UM, ARE WE BUYING ELECTRIC OR GAS FLEET VEHICLES? WE DO BUY SOME ELECTRIC VEHICLES, YES.
I, I DON'T FAVOR EITHER ONE IN PARTICULAR.
UH, I JUST THOUGHT THAT, UH, WE'RE TESTING THEM OUT.
WE HAVE TWO ELECTRIC VEHICLES THAT WE GOT THIS YEAR THAT HAVE BEEN WORKING GREAT.
UM, THE BIGGEST PROBLEM FOR STAFF IS THAT MOST OF THE VEHICLES THAT WE USE ARE PICKUP TRUCKS.
UM, THEY'RE MORE AND MORE COMING OUT.
UM, SO RIGHT NOW WE ARE STILL, UM, MORE RELIANT ON GASOLINE THAN ELECTRIC.
UNDER FLEET, ANY, ANYTHING NEW THERE THAT CARRY FORWARDS WOULD BE ACE AND THE NEWS STAFF.
VEHICLE REPLACEMENT, UH, NEW VEHICLES, THOSE ARE THINGS EVERY THAT WE DO.
EVERY YEAR WE HAVE A PROGRAM WHERE WHEN A VEHICLE GETS TO A CERTAIN YEAR OR A CERTAIN NUMBER OF MILEAGE, THEN UM, IT GETS REPLACED.
LASTLY IS LAND ACQUISITION? UH, WE HAVE A CARRY FORWARD.
ASSOCIA ASSOCIATED WITH SURVEY, WITH LAND ACQUISITION SURVEYS AND APPRAISALS.
THOSE ARE ALL CARRIED FORWARDS.
AND THEN HOUSING, UM, IS THE LAST CATEGORY.
THOSE ARE CARRIE FORWARDS AS WELL.
UM, WE'RE GONNA NEED A, UH, A MOTION TO ADOPT WHAT WE'VE JUST ITEMIZED AS ONE A'S AND ONE B'S MAY, UH,
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I WOULD ENTERTAIN SUCH A MOTION.MOVED, UH, MR. O'NEILL MOVES AND I HAVE A SECOND FROM MR. CBOL.
ALL IN FAVOR? PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND.
BUT THE, UH, A'S AND B'S THAT WE'VE JUST PUT FORWARD.
IT'S THE UNANIMOUS FOLKS FOR STAFF.
UM, JENNIFER, IS THERE? UH, YES, SIR.
I DON'T HAVE ANY COMMENTS, BUT YOU SHOULD, SHOULD ASK IF ANYBODY ELSE HAS PUBLIC.
I, I, I, WE PLANNED ON DOING THAT.
UH, ARE THERE COMMENTS BY THE PUBLIC ON THE, UH, PRIORITY LIST WE JUST WENT THROUGH? RIGHT? DO YOU HAVE ONE? WELL, FIRST I'LL START WITH AN APOLOGY THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY RANKINGS BECAUSE WE, THIS IS NUDE TERRITORY FOR US.
WE JUST HAD A BOARD MEETING AND WE WENT THROUGH, UM, THE PATHWAYS.
AND I'D LIKE TO SUBMIT THAT THERE ARE TWO ONE BS THAT WE OUGHT RECONSIDER.
ONE IS THE ONE, UM, UH, ON THE FIRST PAGE OF PATHWAYS.
AND THAT'S THAT WEXFORD TO ARROW ROAD PATHWAY.
THAT LITTLE SHORT PATHWAY THAT WE'VE BEEN PUSHING BACK FOR FIVE YEARS STRAIGHT.
NOW, IT'S TO BE THE SIXTH YEAR.
IT'S A SAFETY ISSUE COMING OUT OF ARROW ROAD.
PEOPLE COMING FROM, YOU KNOW, STARBUCKS AND ALL THAT AREA.
THEY HAVE TO, IN ORDER TO GO WEST, THEY HAVE TO CROSS THE STREET AT ARROW, GET ON A PATHWAY WHERE THERE'S A VERY SMALL APRON.
HAVE TO CROSS THAT STREET AND THEN MOVE FORWARD.
AND IF THEY WANT TO GO BACK INSIDE, THEY HAVE TO CROSS THE STREET AGAIN.
WOULD LIKE THEM TO BE ABLE TO TAKE THEIR, YOU KNOW, TAKE A PATH, TAKE A, ACROSS THE STREET AT ARROW AND JUST GO ON THE PATHWAY STRAIGHT, ALL THE WAY UP TO, UH, GARDNER.
FRANK, FOR PURPOSES OF CLARIFICATION, WHICH ITEM ARE YOU REFERRING TO HERE? IT'S, UH, H IT'S UNDER H.
AND IT, UH, WHAT'S THE TITLED CAROL TO, TO WEXFORD ARROW ROAD.
WE, WE DISCUSS THAT THE C I P YES.
SO ARE YOU SUGGESTING THAT SHOULD BE A ONE A PARDON ME? A ONE A ELEVATED TO A ONE A RATHER THAN A ONE B PROJECT? I, I WOULD LIKE TO RECOMMEND IT BE A ONE A MM-HMM.
IT'S, I MEAN, IT'S PRETTY WELL ALREADY DESIGNED.
IT'S NOT VERY EXPENSIVE AND IT'S, IT'S A SAFETY ISSUE.
ALWAYS SEEMS TO GET DROPPED OFF.
AND, UM, THE SECOND ONE IS A, A NEW ONE BECAUSE OF WHAT'S HAPPENING IN JONESVILLE ROAD.
THE CONSTRUCTION, UH, THE NEW HOUSING KIDS, UH, ON SPANISH WELLS.
THINK ABOUT IF YOU'RE A KID GOING TO SCHOOL ON A BIKE TO GET TO, UH, SPANISH WELLS TO SCHOOL.
THE MOST DANGEROUS INTERSECTION FOR A BIKER OR WALKER IS AT SPANISH WELLS WILD HORSE ROAD AND 2 78.
WE'VE HAD PEOPLE KILLED THERE.
IT'S A, FOR EXPERIENCED BIKERS LIKE US, WE HATE TO CROSS THAT.
AND IT'S THE MOST DANGEROUS THING.
CARS TURNING FROM, UH, SPANISH WELLS WHILE THE LIGHT IS GOING.
UH, FIVE LANES OF TRAFFIC COMING IN, JOCKEYING FOR PHYSICIAN.
AND SO THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE ON SPANISH WELLS, IF THEY WANT TO GET ON A BIKE AND GO ANYWHERE, THEY ONLY CAN ONLY HAVE TO, THEY CAN ONLY GO REALLY UP SPANISH WELLS, ESPECIALLY KIDS THAT COULD NOT CROSS THERE.
SO WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A LITTLE PATHWAY THAT GOES FROM SPANISH WELLS, UH, TO THE ENTRANCEWAY TO THE CROSS ISLAND.
IT'S A SHORT PATHWAY TO THE, UH, FRONT OF, UH, OF, OF COASTAL'S DISCOVERY MUSEUM.
UH, AND THAT GIVES THEM AN OPPORTUNITY THEN TO GO, UH, CROSS A CROSSWALK AT SPANISH WELLS, KIDS COMING TO SCHOOL, WALKING AND, AND THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE ON SPANISH WELLS ROAD AND KNOWS ALL THOSE DIFFERENT NEW COMMUNITIES TO GO TO A PARK AT COAST DISCOVERY MUSEUM IN JARVIS CREEK PARK, BECAUSE THEY REALLY CAN'T GET TO THEM NOW UNLESS THEY GO THE CAR.
HOW, HOW FAR IS YOUR PROPOSED LINK FROM 2 78? IT'S, IT'S ABOUT MAYBE QUARTER OF A MILE, MAYBE.
IT'S A, IT'S GONNA BE A, IT'S GONNA BE ALONGSIDE 2 78 AND UNLIKELY IT'S GOING TO BE A BOARDWALK.
UH, AND I, AND I'LL, I WILL, I WILL GIVE YOU, UH, YOU CAN, YOU CAN PASS IT OFF.
BE LIKE, THIS IS A LONGER TERM VIEW.
EVENTUALLY, UH, YOU KNOW, WE, WE'VE LOOKED AT COMING UP WITH THE HAY, A PATHWAY THAT WILL GO INTO OLD SCHOOLHOUSE PARK AND EVENTUALLY INTO A, WHAT WE THINK WILL BE A GULLAH, UH, HERITAGE SITE.
BUT THAT'S A LONGER TERM ACTIVITY.
THIS IS FOR LIKE, RIGHT NOW WITH THOSE PEOPLE WHO ARE STUCK IN SPANISH WELLS AND CAN'T GET OUT OF THERE ON BITES.
AND WHY IS IT, IS IT ITEMIZED ANYWHERE IN HERE? YES, IT'S ON THE NEXT PAGE.
I'M SORRY, WHICH PAGE? DOWN? AND, UH, IT'S THE THIRD ONE DOWN.
I'M ASSUMING THIS IS WHERE YOU SAY WHERE? JONESVILLE ROAD, CROSS ISLAND PARKWAY COAST DISCOVERY MUSEUM ACCESS TO SPANISH WELLS ROAD.
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WHAT LETTER ARE WE UNDER? THE ONE ABOVE IT IS REPLACING A SIDEWALK.AND PATHWAY TOP ONE THAT SAYS WILLIAM HILL PARKWAY.
EASTBOUND GARDNER DRIVE TO GUMTREE ROAD TO THE, UH, UNDER.
WE HAVE ALREADY, UH, JENNIFER, WE HAVE ALREADY, UH, RANKED, UH, JONESVILLE ROAD AS A ONE A.
IS IT POSSIBLE TO INCLUDE THIS PARTICULAR LINK INTO THE JONESVILLE ONE A UNDER F JONESVILLE ROAD? UM, NOT REALLY THE SAME, BUT YOU COULD, IT'S, IT'S, THIS ONE RIGHT HERE IS THE ONE THAT FRANK'S TALKING ABOUT.
UM, YOU COULD, INSTEAD OF CALLING IT A TWO, YOU COULD CALL IT A ONE A OR A ONE B.
I'VE TALKED TO SOME OF THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE THERE.
THEY JUST, THEY CAN'T GET THE KIDS TO SCHOOL.
YOU KNOW, THEY CAN'T GET, THEY CAN'T GO TO PARKS.
THEY'RE RESTRICTED, YOU KNOW, IT'S VERY DANGEROUS.
UH, CROSSING A GUM TREE IS LESS SAFE.
I WOULD ENTERTAIN A MOTION FROM ANY MEMBER OF THE COMMISSION ON THIS ITEM IF THERE IS ONE.
SO YOU, YOU'LL BE AMENDING THE MOTION THAT YOU ALREADY MADE.
WHAT I, WHAT I'M THINKING WE OUGHT TO DO IS PUT IT UNDER JONESVILLE ROAD.
INCLUDE THIS PARTICULAR LINK UNDER THE ONE A WE ALREADY HAVE FOR JONESVILLE ROAD.
UH, MAY I HAVE, UH, A MOTION OR A SECOND ON THAT? IS ANYBODY I WILL MOVE IT THEN I WILL MOVE THAT WE MAKE THAT PART OF THE JONESVILLE ROAD ONE A ITEM.
IS THERE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND THAT.
SECOND IT ALL IN FAVOR? RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND PLEASE.
I'LL, UH, UNANIMOUS VOTE ON THAT.
UH, JENNIFER, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER COMMENTS FROM, UH, MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC ON THIS, UH, ON THESE APPROPRIATION? ITEMIZATIONS FLING? GULE AGAIN? YES, SIR.
AND I WOULD JUST SAY THAT, UH, I COME FROM UP NORTH, OR IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO RIDE A BICYCLE.
AND THIS ISLAND IS AMAZING WITH THE AMOUNT OF PATHWAYS IT HAS.
UH, BUT I WOULD ALSO SAY THEY'RE STARTING TO GET OLD AND THE ROOTS ARE REALLY TEARING UP SOME SECTIONS OF THEM.
SO I'D ASK YOU TO PLEASE FUND THE, THE REPAIRS ADEQUATELY.
UM, BECAUSE IT'S JUST GREAT TO WRAP.
YOU WANT TO THANK SOMEBODY FOR ALL THE BIKE PATHS? YOU THANK THE GUY I JUST SPOKE HERE.
ANYTHING ELSE ON THIS ITEM, ON THESE ITEMS? UM, MAY I HAVE A, A MOTION TO INCLUDE EVERYTHING WE'VE DONE HERE? HAVE WE DONE THAT YET? ONE COMMENT.
ONE, ONE COMMENT, ONE QUICK COMMENT.
PIGGYBACK ON BLAINE'S COMMENT.
UM, IF WE WERE TO ELEVATE, WE GOT A LOT OF ONES.
AND IF WE WERE TO EVEN HAVE A HIERARCHY TO LOOK AT THE PRIORITY ONE A'S, I MEAN, THE THING, THE FEW THINGS THAT MAKE THIS ISLAND GREAT ARE THAT ARE THE BIKE PATHS AND UNIQUE AND THE BEACH.
SO IF THERE'S, IF WE CAN KEEP THOSE IN THE UPPER ECHELON OF THE ONE A'S I WOULD RECOMMEND, SO, ALRIGHT, WELL WE HAVE, UH, WE HAVE ONE A'S IN EACH OF THESE CATEGORIES.
THOSE, SOME ARE PATHWAYS, SOME SOMEWHERE BEACH MAINTENANCE AND SO ON AND SO FORTH.
AND, UH, I BELIEVE THOSE ARE ALREADY ONE A'S CUZ THEY'RE ONGOING PROGRAMS. ALL RIGHT.
UM, JENNIFER, WITH, UH, WE'RE GONNA NEED TO MAKE THAT AMENDMENT OFFICIAL VOTE.
BUT TO, UH, MAKE THAT, UH, PROJECT, THAT LINK IS PART OF THE JONESVILLE ROAD ONE A PROJECT.
MR. DARI ENZO HERE
UH, WE HAVE NEXT ON THE AGENDA.
LET ME GET TO THE PARTICULAR ITEM.
WE'RE NOW GONNA HAVE A DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING THE PLANNING COMMISSION RULES OF PROCEDURE.
UM, AT THIS TIME, I HAVE, UH, WELL, PLEASE DO YOU HAVE MISSY IF YOU WANT TO WALK US THROUGH THE REASON FOR THIS DISCUSSION? SURE.
AND WE ALSO HAVE OUR GENERAL COUNSEL, MACTA FORD, UM, ON THE CALL.
UH, BUT WE ARE, UH, WORKING ON, AS YOU'RE AWARE, UH, AN AMENDMENT TO THE RULES OF PROCEDURE TO CHANGE OUR MEETING CALENDAR TO TWICE A MONTH.
AND, UM, WHILE WE WERE LOOKING AT THAT, WE ALSO WERE LOOKING AT STREAMLINING SOME OF
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OUR OPERATIONS AND LOOKING AT THE NECESSITY OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION SUBCOMMITTEES, THERE'S FIVE SUBCOMMITTEES OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION.UM, SO WE'RE LOOKING AT, UM, ELIMINATING THOSE SUBCOMMITTEES, BUT, UM, STILL HAVING THE CAPABILITY FOR THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO SET AN AD HOC COMMITTEE AS NEEDED.
SO IT WOULDN'T ELIMINATE THE IDEA OF, OF COMMITTEE STRUCTURE.
JUST WOULDN'T BE A REQUIREMENT, UM, PER THE RULES.
AND THEN ALSO AS, UM, WE ARE REVIEWING OUR RULES, THE PLANNING COMMISSION RULES WITH, UM, MR. DEF FORD, WE ALSO NOTICED SOME OTHER AREAS, UM, PRO PROCEDURAL AREAS THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO AMEND AS WELL.
UM, AND WE ALSO HAVE AN UPCOMING, UM, AMENDMENT, UH, TO THE LMO THAT'S GONNA HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION NEXT MONTH.
AND SO WE WERE LOOKING AT, SINCE WE'RE RIGHT NOW, WE HAVE THE DRAFT RULES ALREADY PREPARED, AND WE WERE WORKING TO ASSEMBLE THE RULES COMMITTEE.
UM, AND WE WERE LOOKING TO SEE IF THE PLANNING COMMISSION WOULD AGREE TO SUSPEND THE RULES, UM, TO, UM, ALLEVIATE THE NEED FOR THOSE COMMITTEES, UM, SO THAT WE COULD PROCEED EXPEDITIOUSLY WITH THE RULES AMENDMENT THAT WOULD THEN BE BEFORE YOU ON MARCH 15TH.
YOU USED THE ROYAL WE
UH, DID THAT INCLUDE, SAY THE MAYOR OR THE TOWN MANAGER OR MEMBERS OF, UH, TOWN COUNCIL? THE WE IS IS THE STAFF.
WE, WE REVIEWED THIS AS A TEAM, UH, AS WELL AS WITH OUR GENERAL COUNSEL AS WELL.
UM, I KNOW THAT HE'S ON THE CALL.
MACK, DID YOU WANT TO CHIME IN HERE? UM, HELLO, UH, CHAIRMAN MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION, UM, MY NAME'S MAC DEFORA, GENERAL COUNSEL FOR THE TOWN.
UM, ONE OF THE, I THINK OVERALL, UM, PURPOSES FOR THE AMENDMENT, UH, RELATED TO COMMITTEES IS WE'VE DONE A, A REVIEW OF OTHER PLANNING COMMISSIONS WITHIN THE STATE.
AND WE'VE FOUND THAT IT'S NOT, UM, IT'S, IT'S NOT TYPICAL TO SEE SUBCOMMITTEES OF A PLANNING COMMISSION.
SO IN AN EFFORT TO MAKE THE PROCESS MORE STREAMLINED AND EFFICIENT, UM, WE'VE, WE'VE PROPOSED, UH, UM, UM, WE'LL, WE'LL, WE'LL BE BRINGING, UH, PROPOSED AMENDMENTS TO THE RULES OF PROCEDURE, UH, TO, TO ELIMINATE THE SUBCOMMITTEES OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
AND, AND JUST AS A, AS A, UH, JUST AS A POINT OF INFORMATION THERE, THERE'S NO REQUIREMENT, UM, UNDER STATE LAW, UNDER THE, UH, COMPREHENSIVE, UM, PLANNING AND ENABLEMENT ACT, UH, FOR ANY SUBCOMMITTEES.
THE, THE STATE LAW DOES NOT CONTEMPLATE THE, THE USE OF SUCH SUBC SUBCOMMITTEES, UH, MATT, CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES, I CAN HEAR YOU.
UH, CAN YOU TELL US HOW LONG HAS THIS PLANNING COMMISSION HAD SUBCOMMITTEES? HOW FAR BACK THIS GO? I CANNOT ANSWER THAT.
PARDON? I CANNOT ANSWER THAT, SIR.
I'VE, I'VE, I'VE BEEN WITH THE TOWN SINCE AUGUST, SO I OH, OKAY.
UM, SO I HAVE BEFORE ME, UH, A MOTION.
IS THIS THE APPROPRIATE TIME FOR THAT MOTION? ALL RIGHT.
I'M GOING TO MAKE A MOVE TO A MOTION TO SUSPEND SECTION FIVE OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION RULES OF PROCEDURE RELATED TO COMMITTEES UNTIL SUCH TIME THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION MAY CONSIDER FOR ADOPTION AMENDMENTS TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION RULES OF PROCEDURE.
UH, IS, IS THERE A SECOND TO THAT MOTION? MR. HENS? UH, WHO CHAIRS THE RULES COMMITTEE? UH, IS THERE, UH, I WILL TAKE A VOTE ON THIS.
DO WE NEED A ROLL CALL ON THIS ONE OR, I'D LIKE TO, YEAH, GO AHEAD.
UM, SO WE ARE PROPOSING TO ELIMINATE, HOW MANY COMMITTEES DO WE HAVE? FIVE.
CAN YOU NAME ME REAL QUICK? SURE.
WE HAVE THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, LAND MANAGEMENT ORDINANCE, CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS PROGRAM, RULES OF PROCEDURE AND NOMINATING.
AND, AND WHAT WOULD BE PROPOSED IS WRAPPING ALL OF THOSE FIVE IN THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
SO NOW ALL OF THE COMMISSIONERS DEAL WITH ALL OF THOSE YEAH.
COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE, CORRECT.
UM, TWICE A MONTH AND GO TWICE A MONTH INSTEAD OF ONCE A MONTH.
ANY OTHER DISCUSSION, COMMENTS, MR. O'NEIL? YEAH, I, I'M, I'M ALWAYS FOR STREAMLINING THINGS, UH, I AM WONDERING ABOUT THE ALAMO O COMMITTEE THOUGH, AND I KNOW HOW MUCH WORK SUBCOMMITTEE, HOW MUCH WORK GOES INTO WHAT THOSE FOLKS DO, UM, WHEN THEY'RE TOGETHER.
SO I JUST WANNA BE CONSCIOUS OF THE AMOUNT OF TIME THAT, UH, A FULL PLANNING COMMISSION IS GONNA NEED TO SPEND TO DO JUSTICE TO SOME OF THE VERY DIFFICULT THINGS THAT LMO COMES UP WITH.
I THINK, YOU KNOW, CAPITAL AND THE REST OF IT MAKES A LOT OF SENSE TO ME, BUT I DO HAVE THIS
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QUESTION IN MY MIND.IT ALL ENDS UP HERE SOONER OR LATER, THOUGH, YOU KNOW, HE PROCESSED, HOPEFULLY.
YEAH, HOPEFULLY IT WAS SOME PROCESS, BUT, UH, UM, THIS IS SIR, SIR, UH, JUST JU JUST TO ADDRESS THAT REAL QUICK, THIS IS MAC DEF FORD IN THE AMENDMENTS THAT WE WILL BE BRINGING NEXT MONTH.
UH, IT, IT DOES STIPULATE THAT, UH, AD HOC COMMITTEES MAY BE FORMED OKAY.
WITH THE CONSENT OF, UH, TOWN COUNCIL.
SO IF THERE IS, UH, A LARGE AMENDMENTS OR, OR HIGH VOLUME, UM, AMENDMENTS TO BE MADE TO THE L O A, A TEMPORARY COMMITTEE MAY BE FORMED FOR THAT PURPOSE.
SO WE, WE WOULD NOT WANT TO, UM, YOU KNOW, TAKE THAT AWAY, UM, FROM, FROM BEING A POSSIBILITY.
SO, SO A VOTE TO SUSPEND SECTION FIVE SAYS THAT WE ARE AGREEING THAT THEY'RE NO, NO LONGER REQUIRED, BUT THAT THEY MAY BE ENACTED AS NEEDED BY THE COMMISSION.
WELL, MAC MAY WANNA ANSWER THAT, BUT I I COULD GIVE IT A GO IF YOU WANT.
UM, THE, THE SUSPENSION IS JUST TO SUSPEND THE, THE NEED FOR THINGS TO GO THROUGH, UM, SUBCOMMITTEE CURRENTLY.
AND THEN NEXT MONTH WE'LL BE BRINGING THE ACTUAL AMENDMENTS TO THE RULES OF PROCEDURE OKAY.
AND THEN YOU CAN EITHER ADOPT THOSE RULES OR AMEND THEM OR, OR REJECT THEM AS YOU SEE FIT.
SO BASICALLY WE'RE TALKING FEWER COMMITTEE MEETINGS, BUT TWO FULL MEETINGS THAT MIGHT DRAG ON LONGER, ESPECIALLY IF WE HAVE ALAMO O AMENDMENTS INVOLVED IN THE DISCUSSION.
AS MR. HENS, UM, WHY CAN'T WE JUST NOT VOTE ON THIS, BUT WAIT UNTIL YOUR NEW PROPOSED, UM, STRUCTURE IS, IS PROPOSED AND THEN VOTE ON YES.
IS THERE SOME SENSE OF URGENCY MAC ON THIS? WELL, THE ONLY THING IS THAT TECHNICALLY UNDER, UNDER THE RULES OF PROCEDURE, THERE, THERE IS A, A RULES OF PROCEDURE COMMITTEE.
SO THIS WOULD JUST NEGATE THAT, THAT PURPOSE.
AGAIN, THERE'S NO REQUIREMENT UNDER STATE LAW TO, TO HAVE A SUBCOMMITTEE.
UM, SO, SO THIS WOULD JUST BE UP TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO, TO, TO SUSPEND THAT RULE, UH, FOR THE PURPOSE OF, OF ADOPTING, UH, OR, OR CONSIDERING, UH, RULES AMENDMENTS FOR, FOR NEXT MONTH.
AND I WOULD SAY TOO, THAT THERE ALSO IS, UM, A SMALL L O AMENDMENT THAT WILL HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING ON MARCH 15TH.
AND, UM, WE WOULD OTHERWISE NEED TO GO TO THE LMO COMMITTEE PRIOR TO, UM, AND SUSPENSION OF COMMITTEES WOULD ALLEVIATE THE NEED TO GO THROUGH LMO COMMITTEE FOR THAT SMALL AMENDMENT THAT'S COMING.
AND, AND WE BRING IT BEFORE THE FULL COMMISSION.
RIGHT? BEFORE THE FULL COMMISSION? CORRECT.
HAS EVERYBODY HAD A GRIP ON WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE? SO I KNOW MR. HENZ IS CONVENING A MEETING NEXT WEEK OF THE RULES OF PROCEDURE MEETING.
WHAT, WHAT IS GONNA BE OUR FOCUS AT THAT MEETING? IF EVERYONE'S GONNA BEED, THAT WOULD BE CANCELED IF YOU APPROVE THIS MOTION.
YOU CAN ALWAYS GET A VOTE ON THIS COMMISSION FOR A CANCELING MEETING.
UH, SO I HAVE A MOTION AND I HAVE A SECOND TO SUSPEND SECTION FIVE OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION RULES OF PROCEDURE RELATED TO COMMITTEES UNTIL SUCH TIME THAT THE FULL PLANNING COMMISSION MAY CONSIDER FOR ADOPTION AMENDMENTS TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION RULES OF PROCEDURE.
UH, DO WE NEED A ROLL CALL ON THIS ONE? WE DO, YES.
LET'S SEE, WHAT ELSE DO WE HAVE HERE TODAY? UM, UNDER COMMISSIONED BUSINESS? WE'VE JUST DONE IT.
UH, I HAVE NOTHING TO ADD UNDER CHAIRMAN'S REPORT, UH, AND OBVIOUSLY, UH, COMMITTEE REPORTS, UNLESS THERE'S BEEN A RECENT COMMITTEE MEETING.
UH, DO WE HAVE ANY RECENT REPORTS THAT WE NEED TO GO OVER? IF NOT, UH, STAFF REPORTS? ANY STAFF REPORTS TODAY? YES, SIR.
WITH THAT IN MIND, WE HAVE COME TO THE, UH, TO THE END, AND SO I WILL, UH, ADJOURN THE MEETING OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION.