Feb 01, 2023 Town of Bluffton Historic Preservation Commission

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AND, UH,

[I. CALL TO ORDER]

AND I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A CALL TO ORDER.

ROLL CALL PLEASE.

CHAIRMAN BRUCE TRIMER PRESENT.

COMMISSIONER CARRIE SMELTER.

PRESENT.

COMMISSIONER MARY VOX BELL PRESENT.

COMMISSIONER WILL GUNTHER IN ATTENDANCE.

COMMISSIONER JOSH SIMPSON.

COMMISSIONER EVAN GOODWIN.

PRESENT.

COMMISSIONER CARITA FRAZIER.

PRESENT.

LOOKS LIKE WE HAVE A QUO, CORRECT? WE DO.

OKAY.

VERY GOOD, THANK YOU.

[III. NOTICE REGARDING ADJOURNMENT]

COMMISSION MEMBERS PRESENT ITEMS WHICH HAVE NOT BEEN HEARD BEFORE, 9:30 PM MAY BE CONTINUED TO THE NEXT REGULAR MEETING OR A SPECIAL MEETING DATE AS DETERMINED BY THE COMMISSION MEMBERS NOTICE REGARDING

[IV. NOTICE REGARDING PUBLIC COMMENTS*]

UH, EVERYONE, EVERY MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC WHO IS RECOGNIZED TO SPEAK SHALL ADDRESS THE CHAIRMAN.

AND IN SPEAKING, AVOID DISRESPECT TO COMMISSION STAFF OR OTHER MEMBERS OF THE MEETING.

STATE YOUR NAME, ADDRESS, AND WHEN SPEAKING FOR THE RECORD, COMMENTS ARE LIMITED TO THREE MINUTES AND LOOKING FOR AN

[V. ADOPTION OF THE AGENDA]

MM-HMM.

.

SECOND.

LOOKS LIKE WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.

UH, ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.

AYE.

AYE.

ANY OPPOSED? MOTION PASSES FOR ADOPTION OF AGENDA.

[VI. ADOPTION OF MINUTES]

I BELIEVE.

EVAN, YOU'RE UH, NOT ABLE TO VOTE CAUSE YOU DID NOT ATTEND, I BELIEVE, BUT EVERYONE ELSE CAN, UH, VOTES ARE LOOKING FOR A MOTION.

I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES.

SECOND.

SECOND.

AND ANY DISCUSSION, IF NOT ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.

AYE.

AYE.

LOOKS LIKE THE MINUTES HAVE PASS.

AND THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR DOING SUCH A GOOD JOB ON OUR MINUTES.

UM, LOOKS LIKE WE'RE

[VII. ELECTION OF OFFICERS]

AND AN ELECTION OF OFFICERS IS, UH, FOR HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION CHAIR AND THE VICE CHAIR.

UM, ANYONE THAT'S SITTING ON THIS IS, UH, ABLE TO, UM, PUT THEIR NAME IN THE HAT OR IF SOMEONE ON THE COMMISSION WANTS TO PUT SOMEBODY'S NAME IN THE HAT, THAT'S, THAT'S THE WAY IT WORKS.

SO, UM, I'M SORRY, WITH CONSENT, IN OTHER WORDS, IT HAS TO BE VOTED SO EACH, YOU KNOW, THE CHAIR WILL BE VOTED ON AND THE VICE CHAIR WILL BE VOTED ON.

SO, THEREFORE, ELECTION, UH, HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION CHAIR.

UH, I'D LIKE TO NOMINATE MR. BRUCE TRIMER FOR CHAIRMAN, IF POSSIBLE.

ARE THERE ANY OTHER, UM, INDIVIDUALS THAT WOULD LIKE TO PUT THEIR NAME IN THE HAT OR WOULD LIKE TO BE ALSO, IS THERE ANY OTHER PERSON THAT WOULD LIKE TO BE PRESENTED? LIKE YOU GOT IT.

NO, I WAS GOOD.

I, I'M TRYING TO GET OUTTA IT.

LOOK LIKE YOU DIED.

I GUESS WHAT I'M DOING IS, BOY, YOU ARE SOMETHING TODAY.

SO CARK, WOULD YOU LIKE TO PUT YOUR NAME IN THE HAT? I'M GOOD.

UH, WILL, UM, YOU FANTASTIC, MARY? NO.

NO.

WHY NOT? GO SCARE YOURSELF.

I'LL NOMINATE HIM.

PROFESS CHAIR.

OKAY, SO, UM, I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO IF, YOU KNOW YOU DON'T WANT TO BE CHAIR.

I DON'T KNOW.

UH, ONE OF THE THINGS TO CONSIDER IS THAT I HAVE TO ROLL OFF IN JUNE, CUZ THAT'S MY TIME.

IN OTHER WORDS, I'VE SERVED TWO FULL TERMS. SO THAT MEANS THAT YOU'D HAVE TO ELECT ANOTHER CHAIR.

SO IF YOU WANT TO GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS, FINE.

BUT IF YOU JUST PUTTING THAT ON THE TABLE SO YOU'RE AWARE, I THINK YOU'RE DOING A GREAT JOB.

YEAH, WE CAN TAKE ANOTHER BIT, JAN.

WE'LL HAVE SOME TIME TO THINK ABOUT IT.

YEAH, WE CAN THINK ABOUT IT SOME MORE.

OKAY.

UM, I GUESS WITH THAT SAID, UH, WE'RE LOOKING FOR EMOTION OR

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CONSIDER IN JUST A SECOND THEN IF YOU'RE OKAY WITH IT, OR MOSTLY OKAY WITH, OKAY.

UH, SO YEAH, I'M LOOKING FOR A SECOND.

NOT SECOND.

UM, ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.

AYE.

I RECUSE MYSELF FOR VOTING.

IS THAT RIGHT? SO NOW I'M LOOKING FOR RECOMMENDATIONS FOR A VICE CHAIR.

THE VICE CHAIR'S RESPONSIBILITY REVIEWING IT IS, UM, NEED TO SHOW UP TO H PRC MEETINGS, WHICH IS TYPICALLY ON EVERY MONDAY.

I WOULD SAY IN THE LAST THREE MONDAYS THOUGH, WE HAVE NOT HAD, SO IT'S NOT NECESSARILY, IF THERE'S NO ITEMS TO BE PRESENTED, THEN YOU GET THE BREAK.

UM, AND ALSO IF I, UH, AM NOT HERE, IT'S GOOD TRAINING.

SO I GUESS MAYBE THAT'S ONE WAY I COULD DO IT IS JUST DON'T SHOW UP SO THAT THE NICE CHAIR IS REQUIRED TO LEAVE THE THING.

, I'M JUST, SO I'M LOOKING FOR .

I'M LOOKING FOR, UH, RECOMMENDATIONS FOR VICE CHAIR.

I'LL NOMINATE EVAN.

WE HAVE EVAN AS, UM, WOULD YOU ACCEPT THE OPPORTUNITY THEN? I'M LOOKING ALSO NOTE FOR, UH, MOTION OR ANY OTHER DISCUSSION.

WHO ELSE WANTS TO BE VICE CHAIR? COULD I COME DOWN TO THE LINE AND ASK? ANYONE ELSE WANNA I DON'T IF EVAN WANTS TO BE VICE CHAIR, GREAT.

WE TRY TOO MUCH.

OH, EVAN WANTS TO.

OKAY, JUST CHECKING.

SO THEREFORE WE'RE NOW LOOKING FOR A MOTION.

WE HAVE THE MOTION.

YOU MADE THE MOTION.

IS IT LIKE, IS THAT SECOND YOU SECOND? MM-HMM.

.

OKAY.

ANY DISCUSSION? IT'S NOT, UH, ALL ON FAVOR? AYE.

AYE.

IT LOOKS LIKE, UH, YOU'RE GONNA BE SHOWING UP FOR H PRC MEETINGS AND HOPEFULLY RESPONDING.

UM, WHEN IT'S PUT OUT, IT'S USUALLY PUT OUT TWO WEEKS BEFORE.

IT'S BETWEEN TWO AND THREE WEEKS.

TWO AND THREE WEEKS.

AND THEN, UH, VERBAL RESPONSE SOMETIMES IS, IS ADEQUATE.

IT'S PERFECT.

AND I CAN FOLLOW UP WITH WHOEVER IT IS, THE THIRD PERSON.

PLUS I'LL COPY.

SO WITH THAT IN MIND, NOW I'M LOOKING FOR YOU GET TO JOIN ANOTHER COMMITTEE IF YOU WOULD LIKE.

AND IT'S CALLED H PRC OR HISTORIC PRESERVATION REVIEW COMMITTEE.

UM, YOU'VE BEEN ON THAT ALREADY.

SO, UM, WE'RE LOOKING FOR HOW MANY PEOPLE FIRST DOES HE THREE.

THERE'S A CHAIR, THE VICE CHAIR, AND THEN AN AT LARGE MEMBER.

SO IT'S JUST, WE'RE REELECTING WHO'S THE AT LARGE MEMBER SAYING, AH, IF YOU'D LIKE TO CONTINUE TO BE, SO YOU CAN PUT YOUR NAME IN THE HAT AS WELL, JUST IN CASE YOU, BECAUSE I KNOW YOU WEREN'T HERE WHEN WE DID THE LAST TIME, OR YOU MAY HAVE BEEN YOUR FIRST MEETING.

UM, AND WILL A REFRESHER, THE H PRC MEMBER IS A PERSON WHO WILL RECEIVE THE CONCEPTUAL APPLICATIONS.

THEY ARE 15 BUSINESS DAYS IS WHEN WE GET THEM.

WE GET THEM OUT TO YOU ALL AS SOON AFTER THAT AS WE CAN PROCESS THEM THROUGH THE FRONT OFFICE.

THAT PERSON WILL GET THOSE APPLICATIONS AND PROVIDE FEEDBACK TO ME VIA EMAIL, UM, OR WHOEVER THE PROJECT MANAGER FOR THAT IS, WHICH IS LISTED IN THAT EMAIL.

AND THEN COME TO THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION REVIEW COMMITTEE MEETINGS, WHICH ARE HELD AT FOUR O'CLOCK ON MONDAYS, IF AT ALL POSSIBLE.

IF YOU CANNOT ATTEND THOSE FOUR O'CLOCK MEETINGS.

EVERY TIME I ABSOLUTELY UNDERSTAND IS DURING THE WORKDAY.

AND THAT IS SOMETHING THAT EXISTS.

UM, BUT I AM LOOKING FOR THAT FEEDBACK IN THE THREE WEEK, TWO AND A HALF WEEK WINDOW, UM, FOR THAT.

SO IF YOU CAN'T ATTEND EVERY HPR, SO THAT'S TOTALLY UNDERSTANDABLE.

UM, BUT THE FEEDBACK IS GREATLY APPRECIATED.

SO, SO JUST HAVE VERBAL CONVERSATION OR TEXT OR EMAIL CONVERSATION.

CORRECT.

CAN, CAN ANY MEMBER ATTEND THE MEETING? UM, WE CAN, BUT WE CAN'T TAKE VOTES ON THAT.

SO IF THERE'S ANOTHER PERSON WHO ATTENDS THAT MEETING, UM, THEY WOULDN'T PARTICIPATE IN THE ENCOURAGEMENT OF THE CONVERSATION BECAUSE WE DON'T WANNA HAVE A CORE OF MAKING DECISIONS ON APPLICATIONS AT THE CONCEPTUAL LEVEL SINCE IT IS A TECHNICAL REVIEW BOARD, WHICH IS THREE MEMBERS OF THAT WHOLE SEVEN MEMBER COMMISSION.

THAT WAS NOT SEVEN, BUT THAT, SO, YEAH.

SO IF FOUR 10, THEN IT BECOMES A QUORUM, CORRECT? IT DOES, IF WE TAKE VOTES.

BUT IF THERE'S NO VOTE, THEN THERE'S NO, IT, IT'S OKAY IF PEOPLE SHOW UP BECAUSE IT'S STILL A PUBLICLY ADVERTISED MEETING.

IT IS.

OKAY.

SO WE JUST DON'T, WE JUST DON'T VOTE.

WE CORRECT.

UM, IT'S MORE OPEN DISCUSSION.

OPEN CONVERSATION.

YOU NOT HAVE ONE PERSON ABSTAIN FROM VOTING.

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THERE'S NO VOTE EVER.

SO IT DOESN'T MATTER.

WE JUST, SO THEREFORE I'M LOOKING FOR RECOMMENDATIONS AND ELECTION OF AN H P R C COMMITTEE MEMBER.

UH, DO IT AS BEST I CAN OR YOU TRY JUST INFORMATION.

UM, I, YOU KNOW, I, I GUESS IN THE DISCUSSION, UH, JUST FOR INFORMATION IS WILL SERVED, I BELIEVE SIX OR SEVEN YEARS.

UM, ABOUT TWO YEARS AGO.

I THINK HE ROLLED OFF ABOUT TWO YEARS AGO.

UM, IT'S BEEN QUITE A BIT, BUT, UH, SO WILL'S VERY SEASONED AND HE ALSO USED TO BE ON H PRC.

UM, AND UH, HE, I'M A RESIDENTIAL DESIGNER, NOT QUITE THE ARCHITECT LEVEL, BUT YOU KNOW, IT'S WHAT I DO ON A DAILY BASIS IS SO INFORMATION.

SO YEAH, HAVE A LITTLE BACKGROUND ON YEAH, IT'S, IT, IT TAKES SOME INPUT TO DO IT EVERY WEEK.

FORGET THERE.

SO YOU'RE OKAY WITH HIM DOING IT WITHOUT BEING, HOW ABOUT YOU? IF HE'S WILLING, I MEAN, I DON'T WANT STEP ON ANYONE'S FIRST.

IT'S A GOOD WAY TO GET AHEAD AND SEE THINGS AT EARLY ON IN THE PROCESS.

FOR SURE.

YOU GOT IT.

SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, I'M LOOKING FOR A MOTION FOR AN ELECTION OF, UH, H PRC MEMBER.

I, I, UH, MOTION.

THAT WILL BE THE NEXT H C MEMBER.

GOOD LOOKING FOR A SECOND? SECOND, SECOND.

UM, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.

AYE.

AYE.

THAT LOOKS LIKE IT'S WILLED.

SO WE ARE GONNA HAVE, UH, EVAN WILL AND MYSELF AS H PRC MEMBERS.

CORRECT.

AND WE WILL GET THAT UPDATED ON THE GLOBALIST AND I WILL MAKE SURE TO SEND AN EMAIL OUT JUST SO THAT YOU HAVE A REFRESHER ON WHAT IT IS I'M LOOKING FOR.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME DOING IT, MARY.

IT WAS WONDERFUL HAVING YOUR FEEDBACK EVERY TIME.

SO THANK YOU.

AND YOU'RE ANSWER TO SHOW UP.

YES.

YOU KNOW, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, WE'D BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO ALWAYS GET YOUR INPUT CAUSE IT'S ALWAYS VALUABLE INPUT.

OH, WELL, THANK YOU.

SO WE HAVE TO, UM, LET'S SEE.

PUBLIC COMMENTS, NOT ON THE AGENDA.

ANYTHING.

UM, OLD

[IX. OLD BUSINESS]

THIS IS MARGE BLAIR, UH, PASSED AWAY, UH, JANUARY 2ND AND MARCH.

SAT ON THIS BOARD FOR MANY, MANY YEARS AND CONTRIBUTED TO THIS COMMUNITY IN AN EXTREME WAY.

UM, SO SHE WAS ON H P C AND I BELIEVE SHE WAS ON H PRC FOR A WHILE TOO.

SO, UH, I JUST THOUGHT IT WOULD BE NICE IF WE JUST SAY A, A QUICK MOMENT OF SILENCE FOR MARK BLAIR AND, UH, UM, WE APPRECIATE ALL THE CONTRIBUTIONS THAT SHE MADE TO OUR COMMUNITY.

INDEED.

THANKS AGAIN, MARGE.

UM, LET'S SEE, THIS THURSDAY, I'M, THIS IS IT, THIS DISCUSSION, BUT I'M JUST THROWING IT IN THURSDAY.

SQUIRE CODE REHAB KICKOFF IS HAPPENING.

QUIRE HOPE SO, YOU KNOW, LET'S HAVE OTHER ATTENDANCE OF, UH, H HPC FOLKS THERE.

WHAT TIME IT IS AT 4:00 PM OVER AT THE SQUIRE POPE CARRIAGE HOUSE, WHICH IS ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE CHURCH OF CROSS.

IF YOU DON'T HAVE ALL YOUR HISTORIC BUILDINGS MEMORIZED ALREADY.

THANK YOU.

OKAY.

THIS THURSDAY AT 4:00 PM YEAH.

ALL RIGHT.

I'M DONE WITH IT.

I JUST, I DIDN'T KNOW WHEN TO PUT THAT IN, BUT I THOUGHT MINE.

GOOD JOB.

ALRIGHT, SO

[X.1. Certificate of Appropriateness. A request by Ansley H. Manuel, Architect, on behalf of the owners, Brad and Jacki Rechtfertig, for approval of a Certificate of Appropriateness – HD application to allow the construction of a new 2 story Single-Family Residential structure of approximately 2,070 SF and Carriage House of approximately 1,158 SF located at 4 Wild Spartina Street, Lot 42 of the Tabby Roads Development, in the Old Town Bluffton Historic District and zoned Neighborhood General-HD. (COFA-05-22-016795) (Staff - Katie Peterson)]

THE FIRST ITEM WE HAVE BEFORE US TONIGHT IS THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO ALLOW THE CONSTRUCTION OF A NEW TWO-STORY SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE OF APPROXIMATELY 2070 SQUARE FEET AND A CARRIAGE HOUSE OF APPROXIMATELY 1,158 SQUARE FEET TO BE LOCATED AT FOUR WILD MARTINEZ STREET, WHICH IS LOT 42 IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

UM, GENERAL HG ZONING DISTRICT.

IT IS LOCATED WITHIN THAT TABBY ROADS DEVELOPMENT.

SO THAT IS JUST, JUST ABOUT A BLOCK UP THERE.

UM, SO THIS IS THE SITE PLAN.

YOU CAN SEE HERE VERY SMALL IN THE CORNER.

I APOLOGIZE THAT IT'S SO TINY, BUT IT IS THE SECOND LOT IN FROM BRUN ROAD.

SO THEY'VE GOT, OR YEAH, YOU'VE GOT ONE LOT HERE THEN UM, THIS WILL BE THE LOT HERE.

SO IT LINES UP APPROXIMATELY WITH THE BLUE CRAB STREET INTERSECTION.

HERE WE HAVE THE FIRST FLOOR PLANS FOR BOTH THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE AND THEN THE CARRIAGE HOUSE IS THIS SMALLER STRUCTURE HERE.

UM, THIS IS A SERVICE YARD THAT IS ATTACHED TO THE SIDE HERE.

AND THESE SECOND FLOOR PLANS, SO PRIMARY STRUCTURE, SECOND FLOOR, AS WELL AS THE CARRIAGE HOUSE'S SECOND FLOOR, IT DOES HAVE BONUS LIVING AREA IN THE SECOND FLOOR OF THE CARRIAGE HOUSE.

AND THIS IS THE ROOF PLAN.

THEY ARE BOTH FORWARD FACING GABLES.

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SO THIS IS THE SIDE THAT YOU'LL SEE IF YOU ARE ON, UM, BARINA.

I ALMOST SAID BLUE CRAB THERE.

WILD BARINA.

SO IF YOU WERE ON THE MAIN ROAD, THIS IS WHAT YOU WOULD SEE.

GREEN ROAD WOULD BE TO YOUR, TO YOUR RIGHT.

AND SIX WILD BARINA WOULD BE TO YOUR LEFT WITH TABBY ROADS.

WELL, UM, NOT FLUFF MUD, BUT IT'S THE OTHER LITTLE ALLEY, A HOUSE.

AND THEN TABBY ROADS AS YOU GO DOWN THE STREET THERE, THIS IS THE REAR ELEVATION.

SO YOU'VE GOT YOUR CARRIAGE HOUSE HERE AS WELL AS YOUR PRIMARY STRUCTURE AND THEN YOUR RIGHT ELEVATION.

SO THIS IS THE ELEVATION THAT WOULD BE FACING TOWARDS BOONE STREET OR TOWARDS THAT VACANT LOT THAT WILL EVENTUALLY HAVE A STRUCTURE ON IT.

AND THEN BOONE STREET AND THE LEFT ELEVATION, THIS IS THE CARRIAGE HOUSE SITTING IN FRONT OF THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE.

THERE IS A SECTION THROUGH THAT, UM, CONNECTOR.

SO YOU CAN SEE THE FULL ELEVATION BEHIND THE CARRIAGE HOUSE HERE.

AND THEN WE HAVE OUR WALL SECTIONS.

I DO FLIP THROUGH THESE QUICKLY, BUT I'M HAPPY TO GO BACK.

SHOULD WE NEED TO TAKE A LOOK AT ANY OF THESE AND YOUR PORCH SECTIONS.

AND THEN THE ADDITIONAL DETAILS THAT HAVE BEEN PROVIDED.

SO HERE'S YOUR SERVICE YARD, YOUR UM, BRACKET, DETAILING WINDOW DETAILS, CORNER BOARDS, THE WINDOW AND DOOR SCHEDULE, AS WELL AS THE HEATED SQUARE FOOTAGE IS HERE BECAUSE THIS IS IN THE TABBY ROADS DEVELOPMENT.

THEY HAVE A HEATED FOOTPRINT REQUIREMENT, EXCUSE ME, AS WELL AS THE UM, SQUARE FOOTAGE REQUIREMENTS THAT ARE FOUND IN OUR UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT ORDINANCE.

UM, FOR THIS ONE, THERE IS HEATED SQUARE FOOTAGE FOR THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE.

OH, I CLICKED.

UM, THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE WILL HAVE THE FIRST FLOOR MAIN AND THE FIRST FLOOR BONUS, WHICH IS THAT SMALL STAIRCASE AREA AND STORAGE AT THE BACK OF IT BECAUSE IT IS THE HEATED AREA THAT IS IN THE CARRIAGE HOUSE.

THE GARAGE PORTION, WHILE IT COUNTS TOWARDS THE TOTAL SQUARE FOOTAGE FOR THE STRUCTURE, IT DOESN'T COUNT TOWARDS THE HEATED FOOTPRINT OF THE STRUCTURE, WHICH TABBY ROADS HAS ANOTHER METRIC FOR.

SO WE HAVE TO LOOK AT ALL OF THOSE WHEN WE REVIEW PLANS WITHIN THAT, THAT DEVELOPMENT.

UM, AND THEN THE TOTAL SQUARE FOOTAGE AND ALL OF THOSE ARE INCLUDED ON THAT CHART AS WELL.

WE HAVE THE LANDSCAPE PLAN HERE, WHICH IS KIND OF SMALL ON THIS SCREEN, SO I HAVE ZOOMED IN FOR YOU.

SO YOU CAN SEE THIS IS WILD SPARTINA.

THE POND IS BEHIND THIS LOT.

SO THERE IS SOME OPEN SPACE AREA BEHIND THE LOT THAT IS INCLUDED ON THE, THE COMMON OPEN SPACE.

SO YOUR PROPERTY LINE IS HERE AND THEN YOU'VE GOT YOUR CARRIAGE HOUSE STRUCTURE AND YOUR PRIMARY STRUCTURE HERE.

WAIT, THE DRIVEWAY, THE PLANT SCHEDULE THAT ZOOMED ON AND THEN THE CANOPY PLAN INFORMATION.

SO THIS IS JUST THE AERIAL OF THE SITE WITH THE EXISTING TREES AND THEN THE PROPOSED TREES.

THERE IS A CANOPY COVERAGE CALCULATION HERE AT THE BASE OF THAT.

UM, ALL OF THIS IS IN YOUR PACKET.

IT'S NOT LAID OUT LIKE THIS.

I LIKE TO DO CUT AND PASTE JUST TO CONFUSE YOU WHILE I DO IT, BUT IT ALSO IS SO THAT YOU GUYS CAN SEE ON THE SCREEN A LITTLE BIGGER .

UM, I'M HAPPY AGAIN TO GO BACK THROUGH ANYTHING WE HAVE.

THE H HPC REQUIRE IS REQUIRED TO REVIEW THE EIGHTH CRITERIA, WHICH ARE SET FORTH IN SECTION 3 18 3 OF OUR UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT ORDINANCE.

WHEN THEY ASSESS AN APPLICATION FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS AND THEY'RE AUTHORIZED TO APPROVE THE APPLICATION SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT, APPROVE THE APPLICATION WITH CONDITIONS OR DENY THE APPLICATION SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT.

IF THEY FIND THAT THOSE CRITERIA AREN'T MET, FOR SOME REASON, TOWN STAFF, UM, HAS FOUND THAT WITH THE CONDITIONS BELOW, THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO MEET THOSE CRITERIA.

UM, AND I HAVE THOSE LISTED ON THE SCREEN HERE.

I'M GONNA, I WOULD BE HAPPY TO GO THROUGH THEM.

WE DO HAVE, UM, ANSLEY HERE AS THE APPLICANT AND THEN BRAD JACKIE AS OUR OWNERS, UM, AS WELL AS MARIA.

WE ALREADY NOW, SORRY, THAT IS WHAT I WANNA TELL YOU EVERY SINGLE TIME STILL BECAUSE THAT WAS EIGHT, 10 YEARS AGO WHEN I MET YOU.

SO , UM, WHO'S OUR LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT WHO'S WORKED ON THIS DESIGN.

SO THEY'RE ALL HERE TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF THE PROJECT IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS FOR THEM.

AND THAT'S WHAT I HAVE.

UM, IF YOU STAND TO THE PULPIT, NOT PULPIT, PULPIT, WE'RE NOT, IF YOU, IF YOU JUST, UH, STEP FORWARD.

I DO HAVE SOME QUESTIONS.

ALRIGHT, .

IT'S JUST, OKAY.

WELL SHOULD I GO? UM, WELL I GUESS, UH, KATIE YOU HAVE A NUMBER OF UH, ISSUES ON HERE, BUT IT SEEMS LIKE WE NEED TO ADDRESS A COUPLE OF THEM RIGHT AWAY TO SEE IF WE NEED TO GO FURTHER.

UM, I BELIEVE THE FIRST ONE IS THE H A A B HAD

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UH, ONE OF 'EM BEING THE FACT THAT THE SIX LIGHT WINDOWS ARE NOT ALLOWED AND YOU PRETTY MUCH HAD SIX LIGHT WINDOWS ALONG WITH THAT TRACK OF CONVERSATION ON PAGE A 10, YOUR WINDOW SCHEDULE HAS LIKE TOO MANY WINDOWS, UM, LISTED.

SO, YOU KNOW, WE TRY TO ELIMINATE ALL THE NUMEROUS WINDOWS THAT YOU HAVE IN THE VERY SIZES.

SO, UH, I THINK THE CONCERN THAT I HAVE IS THAT IT'S GONNA CHANGE THE APPEARANCE OF THE ELEVATION THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IF YOU CHANGE TO THE PROPER, WHICH IS FOR LIGHT.

CUZ YOU HAVE SIX LIGHT IN THERE NOW.

ARE YOU, IS IT CASEMENT WINDOWS OR DOUBLE? HUH? UM, WELL I'VE SPOKEN, I'VE, I'VE ADDRESSED THIS WITH THEM BEFORE.

UM, SO LET ME JUST START OFF WITH, THEY DID SAY IS IT TWO OVER ONE LIGHT PATTERN, WHICH WOULD BE A DOUBLE HUNG LIGHT PATTERN, BUT I HAVE CASEMENTS, HOWEVER, THE CLIENT SAID, UM, BRAD AND JACKIE RIFFER, UM, THEY WOULD BE HAPPY JUST DOING TWO OVER ONE DOUBLE HUNGS AND CHANGING ALL THE WINDOWS TO TWO OVER ONE DOUBLE HUNGS.

AND THAT SHOULD ADDRESS TWO OF THESE QUESTIONS.

JO, THE COMMENTS.

SO DO WE WANT TO LOOK AT THE ELEVATIONS? SO I'M NOT, OKAY, WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO BE DOING? YOU'RE SIX LIGHT IS APPROVED.

YOU GOT, I MEAN SHE'S GONNA GO TO DOUBLE HUNG WINDOWS TWO OVER TWO ONE BECAUSE EVERY TIME I GOT A COMMENT BACK FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION TWO OVER ONE OR TWO OVER TWO, THEY WOULD SAY TWO OVER ONE OR TWO OVER TWO.

AND THEN I ASKED THEM IF THEY DIDN'T ALLOW CASEMENTS AND I NEVER GOT A RESPONSE BECAUSE WHAT THEY'RE TELLING ME FOR A LIGHT PATTERN DOESN'T FIT A CASEMENT ANYWAY.

IT'S NOT RELEVANT TO A CASEMENT.

BUT REGARDLESS, WE'RE WILLING TO CHANGE THEM ALL TO DOUBLE HUNG TWO OVER ONE OR TWO OVER TWO.

DO YOU, DO YOU HAVE A PREFERENCE? DO YOU HAVE ANY INPUT ON THAT? YOU CAN DO IT TWO OVER ONE CASEMENT PATTERN EITHER WITH A, UH, FIGURE AMOUNT MOUNTAIN TO EMULATE A DOUBLE HUNG OR JUST HAVE IT BEAT THIN? NO, BECAUSE I, I JUST FEEL LIKE THAT READS AS FAKE AND I, I'D RATHER IT JUST BE A DOUBLE HUNG IF IF YEAH, WE PROPERTY OWNERS WOULD TOO.

YEAH, I THINK THAT JUST SLEEK OR CUZ YOU KNOW, CASE FUNDS, THEY STICK OUT WHEN THEY'RE OPEN.

UM, AND IT JUST SEEMS LIKE IT'S EASIER TO OPERATE A, UH, DOUBLE HOUSE.

STEP UP UP THE MIC.

SORRY.

YEAH.

IN OTHER WORDS, WE'RE WE'RE FILMING THIS AND YOU ACTUALLY SOMEWHERE SO WE CAN'T HEAR YOU THAT ARE ACTUALLY WATCHING OH, BY, WE'RE ONLINE SOMEWHERE.

SO I HAD A, HAD A CONVERSATION WITH ANSLEY EARLIER TODAY AND UM, WE'RE TOTALLY FINE.

ONE WITH DOUBLE HUNG WINDOWS, UM, VERSUS THE CASEMENT.

SO I GUESS THE QUESTION WOULD JUST BE IF IT'S TWO OVER ONE OR TWO OVER TWO MM-HMM.

, UM, AND EITHER, EITHER ONE OF THOSE IS FINE.

I'LL SET THE TOP OF MY WAY.

OKAY.

THAT WILL, UH, WE'LL DECIDE.

BUT ONE OF THOSE TWO.

SO THAT KIND OF, I THINK SOLVES THE PROBLEM.

YOU SHOULDN'T HAVE ANY CODE ISSUES SWITCHING FROM DOUBLE HUNT FROM CASEMENT TO DOUBLE HUNT.

SO YOU HAVE THE EGRESS SIDE OF THE BEDROOM WINDOW.

SO, SO, UM, ARE WE, WELL AGAIN, I WAS JUST LOOKING AT ALL THE NUMEROUS, UM, H A R B UM, COMMENTS AND I GUESS I'M KIND OF STICKING WITH THAT.

AND, UM, HOW DO YOU ANTICIPATE, UH, ADDRESSING THE DOORS IF YOU'RE GOING TO A TWO OR ONE, WOULD YOU GO TO A FOUR LIGHT? I WOULD KEEP THEM, I WOULD DO A FOUR LIGHT THERE.

YES.

THAT'S A GOOD, BUT THEN ALSO THE NUMBER OF WINDOWS, THE SELECTION, YOU HAVE A, AN ABUNDANCE OF DIFFERENT SIZED WINDOWS AND WE TYPICALLY, UH, TRY TO MINIMIZE THAT AND LOOKS LIKE WHAT WE'RE INTO J SO.

OKAY.

WELL, UH, J WE CAN JUST, NO, I MEAN I I'M NOT, I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT IT.

I'M JUST SAYING A THROUGH J IS IN THE, WHAT I'M REFERRING TO.

SO LET'S JUST PUT A NUMBER NEXT TO ALL THESE.

SO YOU GOT WHAT, 2, 4, 9, 6, 8? YEAH, NINE.

NINE WINDOWS SIZES.

ALL RIGHT.

UM, SO THE J WINDOW, THIS IS A LITTLE CONFUSING FOR ME CAUSE I WAS THINKING I

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SO IT'S DOWN TO, SO WE'RE DOWN TO EIGHT, SO, AND THEN THE SMALLER WINDOWS ON ONE OF THE SIDES WAS A RE WITH THE PANELS BELOW, THAT'S A BED WALL.

UM, AND I CAN'T NOT HAVE THOSE.

THAT WAS, IT WOULD END UP HAVING A LOT OF WOO.

WHERE IS THAT NOT OKAY.

I'VE GOT IT.

DO YOU WANT THE, OR DO YOU, OH, YOU CAN HOLD, I WAS SCROLLING UP AND DOWN.

UM, THESE HERE, I GUESS ONE OF THE THINGS WE'RE, WE'RE KIND OF HOPSCOTCHING AROUND.

SO KATIE, I THINK I'M GONNA ASK YOU TO COME BACK.

OKAY.

LET'S LOOK AT ALL OF THE, YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS ON THIS SO WE CAN ADDRESS THEM, UH, INDIVIDUALLY.

UM, I, I THINK WE'RE HOPPING AROUND CONFUSING EVERYONE.

SO KATIE, COULD YOU PUT SOME, UH, I CAN DO THAT STRUCTURE PLEASE.

YES.

SO THE FIRST ONE IS THE, UM, FOUNDATION FINISH NEEDS TO BE PROVIDED TO ENSURE THAT IT'S MATERIAL THAT MEETS THE REQUIREMENT.

UM, IN THE STAFF REPORT IT NOTES, OR I'M SORRY, IN THE STAFF REPORT, I, I DID IDENTIFY IT, BUT THE, UM, DETAIL HAS A NOTE THAT SAYS IT MAY BE A CONCRETE FINISH.

AND THE WAY THAT IT'S PHRASED, IT APPEARS THAT IT COULD BE LIKE A, AN UNFINISHED CONCRETE EDGE.

IT DOES SHOW A TABBY AS THE HATCH MARKING, BUT UM, IT JUST NEEDS TO BE CLARIFIED ON THERE.

SO THAT'S A FAIRLY ADMINISTRATIVE DETAIL THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED.

OKAY.

I THINK THAT'S THE SOLID POOL CONCRETE.

AND SO, SORRY, GO AHEAD.

WE CAN CHECK, I BELIEVE THAT COMMENT, UM, IS GOING TO THISS SOLID POUR CONCRETE PIERS IN LIEU OF, UM, CMUS AND, BUT THE FINISH WOULD BE A STUCCO? YES, I, THE ONLY PROBLEM IS I'VE HAD IT BEFORE WHERE THEN IT SHOWS UP AND THERE'S NO, THERE'S NO FINISH AT ALL.

SMOOTH CONCRETE.

THEY JUST LEAVE THE POUR AND NOT COVER IT IN ANYTHING.

UM, THE SECOND ONE IS THE DRIVEWAY WITH IT IS IDENTIFIED AS 10 FEET IN A COUPLE PLACES, BUT IT MEASURES AS 11 ON ALL OF THE PLANS.

SO IT JUST NEEDS TO BE REDUCED BY THAT ONE FOOT IN FRONT OF THE PRINCIPAL PLANE.

UM, AND ON THE FIRST SITE PLAN I PULLED UP FRONT THE GARAGE RIGHT IN FRONT OF THE STREET? CORRECT.

SO YES TO HERE IT'S MEASURING AT 11 AND SIX.

I WANNA SAY I LISTED THAT NUMBER IN THE STAFF REPORT, BUT UM, IT JUST NEEDS TO BE PULLED IN BY, UM, ENOUGH TO BE AT 10 FEET.

UM, THE NEXT ONE IS THAT AWNING WINDOWS ARE NOT PERMITTED BY OUR ORDINANCE.

UM, WE ALLOW FOR, CAN YOU SHOW US, SO IT'S THE J WINDOW THAT IS GOING TO BE REMOVED, SO THAT IS LIKELY A NON-ISSUE IF IT'S GOING TO BE TURNED INTO EVENT.

YES.

OKAY, SO LET'S TURN, SO LET'S IF IN A, IN A MOTION WE'RE JUST KIND OF MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE KIND OF SETTING SO PEOPLE ARE ABLE TO DO THE MOTION.

KATIE, IF YOU CAN MAYBE PUT SOMETHING IN THERE AND SAY CHANGE TO VENT.

THANK YOU.

OKAY.

UM, I DON'T, I'M COMING.

FAILING TO COME UPWARDS.

THE NEXT ONE IS THAT THE CANOPY COVERAGE CALCULATIONS NEED TO ENSURE THAT IT IS MEETING THE 75% CANOPY COVERAGE.

UM, IT MAY JUST BE THAT THERE'S A CHALLENGE WITH HOW I'M READING THIS BECAUSE I CAN'T QUITE TELL HOW IT IS BEING PROPOSED HERE IN MARIE.

I'VE SEEN IT BEFORE.

SO, UM, REAL QUICK, THE PROPOSED TREE CANOPIES IS SHOWING THE AREAS HERE IN YELLOW ON THE LANDSCAPE PLAN.

THERE'S FOR SURE AT LEAST A BIG TREE BACK HERE.

SO I JUST, UM, NEED IT TO BE CLARIFIED AS TO WHERE THAT THOSE CALCULATIONS ARE COMING FROM DOWN HERE AND MAKE SURE THAT WE'VE GOT THE RIGHT INFORMATION.

YOU CAN SPEAK, IF YOU COULD JUST STEP FORWARD, STATE YOUR NAME AND WHY AND WHY WHO YOU ARE.

OKAY, SURE.

I'M MARIA GEIS STRODY.

I'M A LANDSCAPE DESIGNER AND I BELIEVE THAT WE HAD GONE BACK AND FORTH ABOUT POSSIBLY HAVING PROPOSED TREE IN THE BACKYARD AND HAVE DECIDED TO STICK WITH THE EXISTING GUMTREE.

SO, UM, THESE CALCULATIONS, UM, THERE IS A TREE THERE.

I THINK I JUST NEED TO REMOVE THAT TREE, BUT MY CALCULATIONS, I WENT BACK AND LOOKED AT THEM AND DIDN'T REALIZE THAT TREE NEEDS TO BE REMOVED.

BUT THERE'S AN OVERLAP WITH THE EXISTING AND THE PROPOSED ANYWAY WHERE MY GRAPHICS ARE SHOWING THE PROPOSED OVERLAY ON TOP OF EXISTING.

SO THERE'S ABOUT A LITTLE UNDER 300 SQUARE FOOT DIFFERENCE SO THAT WE'RE STILL WITHIN THE, UM, REQUIRE 75%

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UM, I THINK IT'S A LIVE OAK BACK THERE.

THAT'S FINE.

OR OKAY, JUST UPDATE IT SO THAT IT IS REFLECTIVE OF WHICH WHICHEVER ONE IS THE PROPOSED SHOULD HAVE ALL OF IT ON THERE.

SURE.

OKAY, PERFECT.

THANKS.

AND THAT'S WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR IN THAT ONE.

UM, THE NEXT ONE WE KIND OF DISCUSSED IT, BUT THE NUMBER OF WINDOWS AND PAIN PROPORTION VARIATION MUST BE REDUCED TO PROVIDE A BETTER PROPORTIONAL RELATIONSHIP WITH ONE ANOTHER.

UM, AND THEN JUST BECAUSE I'M GOING THROUGH IT REAL QUICK, AND IT ALSO HAS TO DO WITH WINDOWS BASICALLY PROVIDE THE REAR ALLEGATION BEHIND THE SCREEN IS THERE WASN'T ENOUGH INFORMATION TO COMPLETE THE REVIEW.

CAN I YES.

STEP IN HERE.

SOMETHING HAS HAPPENED WITH THIS PDF BECAUSE THIS IS THE WAY IT LOOKS ON PAPER.

OKAY.

YOU CAN SEE THE WINDOW.

THERE'S THIS TO THE BOARD OR JUST, UM, WE CAN ENTER IT INTO THE RECORD, BUT IT'S, IT'S SOMETHING I NEED A, A CUT THROUGH.

THERE'S OKAY.

IT'S ALMOST AS IF IT WAS KATIE ADJUST PDF IN THE HAVE YOU HAVEN'T LET IT FULLY DOWNLOAD.

SO ON PAPER YOU SEE ALL THAT.

OKAY.

I WAS GONNA SAY, I SAID IF SOMETHING HAPPENED WITH THAT, WE HAVE IT IN OUR, WE DO HAVE IT IN OUR FILES.

OKAY.

I'VE GOT LOTS OF VERSIONS AND FOR SOME REASON MY COMPUTER WILL NOT LOAD THAT I OPENED IT FOR A MONTH NOW.

SO, UM, BUT JUST LIGHT LINE, WE'LL GET, GO LOOK AT THAT COMMITTEE HAST PROPERLY SHOWN.

RIGHT, RIGHT.

SOUNDS GOOD.

SO YOU DON'T NEED TO SUBMIT IT.

UM, THE WINDOW LIGHT PATTERN MUST BE CHANGED TO THE H A E R V APPROVED OR THE H A V R MUST APPROVE A DIFFERENT LIGHT PATTERN.

UM, BASICALLY THIS IS TO AVOID WHAT I LIKE TO CALL THE CIRCLE OF DOOM.

A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, WHICH HAS NOT MET ALL OF THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL CANNOT BE AMENDED BECAUSE IT DOESN'T HOLD A FINAL APPROVAL.

SO IF THE HPC APPROVES SOMETHING AND THEN THE H A R B APPROVAL DOESN'T ALLOW FOR THAT TO TAKE PLACE AS IT WAS SEEN BEFORE, YOU ALL, IT CANNOT BE CHANGED BECAUSE IT CAN'T BE AMENDED UNTIL IT'S BEEN APPROVED.

BUT IT CAN'T BE FULLY APPROVED UNTIL IT NEEDS THE H ARB CONDITIONS.

SO IT BECOMES THE CIRCLE WHERE THEY, YOU CAN'T WIN.

UM, SO EITHER THE LIGHT PATTERN MUST BE CHANGED OR THE H ARB LETTER BEFORE WE CAN ISSUE AN APPROVAL OR IT BECOMES ESSENTIALLY NOT APPROVABLE AND THAT BECOMES A PROBLEM FOR EVERYBODY.

SO WE NEED THAT TO JUST BE CLEARED UP.

UM, AND THAT'S THE SAME WITH THE NUMBER OF TREES, THE TREE REMOVAL OFF THE LOT.

UM, THERE'S A NOTE ON THERE THAT SAYS THERE ARE TWO TREES OFF THE LOT AND IT REQUIRES ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNER CONSENT BECAUSE THE TOWN DOESN'T REVIEW THAT.

IT'D BE AN H A ARB APPROVAL.

WE JUST NEED SOMETHING FROM THEM THAT SAYS THAT THAT HAS HAPPENED.

AS WELL AS A LANDSCAPE MODIFICATIONS TO THE REAR ELEVATION THAT SAW SOMETHING FROM H ARB THAT SAYS THAT IT'S NOT ALLOWED.

THE WHICH ONE? THE TREE REMOVAL OFF OF SOMEBODY ELSE'S LOCK.

UH, WE DON'T UNDER, WE'RE NOT SURE WHAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT.

IT IS ON PLAN, THAT'S NUMBER TWO SUBMITTED.

LANDSCAPE PLANT AND THE TREES BEING REMOVED THAT ARE, UH, OFF THE BOUNDARY POND BOUNDARIES.

NO TREES SHOULD BE REMOVED.

WE, WE THINK OKAY, HERE WE DON'T ACTUALLY THINK THEY, WE WE'RE WONDERING IF THEY'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT THE NEIGHBORING LOT BUT THE TREES ALONG WITH PARALLEL PARKING ON THE SIDE, PARALLEL PARKING CUZ WE'RE HAVING TO CHANGE IN ORDER TO GET A DRIVEWAY IN FOR THE GARAGE, WE'RE HAVING TO SHIFT THE ON STREET PARALLEL PARKING OVER AND, AND A TREE DOES HAVE TO COME DOWN FOR THAT.

UM, BUT AS FAR AS THE NEIGHBORING TREES, IT BEATS US CAUSE WE DON'T EVEN HAVE THAT ON OUR SURVEY WHEN THE METERING TREES ARE.

THE ONLY THING I CAN SEE WHEN I WAS LOOKING AT IT EARLIER WAS THAT IT ON THE SURVEY IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S A LITTLE X SO IT'S POSSIBLE THAT THERE IS A TREE IN THE, UM, BUFFER IN BETWEEN THE PROPERTY LINE AND THE LAKE AND THE AN ADJACENT TREE THAT HAS AN X ON IT.

I'M NOT SURE IF THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT.

IT COULD GRAPHICALLY LOOK LIKE THOSE ARE BEING, UM, REMOVED, BUT IT IS, ALL OF OUR TREES ARE WITHIN THE PROPERTY LINE EXCEPT FOR THOSE, THE TABLE LINE.

YES.

I HAVE A CONCERN ABOUT THINGS THAT WE'RE DISCUSSING HERE, AS KATIE SAYS, ARE WE STICKING THIS ONE INTO A CIRCLE OF DOOM BY THE ISSUES THAT WE'VE BEEN DISCUSSING? NEEDS TO BE REALLY CLARIFIED BY H A R B BEFORE WE COULD REALLY APPROVE THIS.

BECAUSE OTHERWISE, AS KATIE RECOMMENDS NOT FOR US TO DO, IS WOULD IT BE BETTER IF WE JUST TABLED THIS AND GOT EVERYTHING CLARIFIED CORRECTLY FROM H A R B AND THEN MOVING FORWARD, IF IT'S TABLE, IT COULD BE PRESENTED BACK AGAIN NEXT MONTH.

UM, IT COULD, THE ONES THAT ARE WE HAVE CONCERNED REAL QUICK, SOLVED BY H A R B.

UH, SO IT, IT SOUNDS LIKE FOR,

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OH, THAT'S THESE THREE, UM, PLANTS RIGHT HERE.

THEY'VE REQUESTED THAT THAT BE FIVE.

UM, THAT'S ONE THAT DOES NOT SCARE ME TO, UM, LIKE IT, IT'S SOMETHING THAT EASILY IS MODIFIED WITHOUT HAVING A CONCERN FOR THE SHAPE OF THE BUILDING BECAUSE IT'S THE BUILDING THAT IS THE, THE ONE CREATES THAT CIRCLE TOO.

UM, HAVING TO ADD TWO MORE TREES IS SOMETHING THAT WON'T AFFECT THE SHAPE OF THE BUILDING.

IF THE ARB FOLDS, THEN THEY CAN WRITE ME A LETTER THAT SAYS THAT THEY FOLDED ON THAT, UM, THE WINDOWS.

OOPS, LET'S SEE.

THE GABLE BEING CHANGED TO EITHER A LOUVER OR INCREASING THE SIZE OF THE WINDOW.

IF THE WINDOW SIZE INCREASES, THAT WOULD LIKELY AFFECT THE APPEARANCE OF THIS.

IF IT'S BEING CHANGED TO A LOUVER, WHILE IT WILL AFFECT THE APPEARANCE OF IT, IT MAY BE SOMETHING THAT YOU ALL, UM, CAN, CAN PICTURE IN YOUR MIND'S EYE FOR THAT ITEM THERE.

WE'RE STILL IN THE EIGHT WINDOWS.

WHAT'S EVERY FEEL ABOUT THAT? UH, I REALLY DON'T HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THE OTHER WINDOWS AS IT'S PROBABLY YOU'RE USING THE APPROPRIATE SIZE WINDOW IN THE APPROPRIATE PLACE.

THEY ALL SEEM TO STACK APPROPRIATELY FROM SECOND FLOOR TO FIRST FLOOR TO FIRST FLOOR TO SECOND FLOOR ON ALL THE ELEVATIONS.

THEN THERE'S, THERE'S KIND OF THREE ELEMENTS.

THERE'S THE MAIN HOUSE, THE CARRIAGE HOUSE, AND THEN THE CONNECTOR.

AND SO THERE'S SOME DIFFERENCE, YOU KNOW, SOME DIFFERENCES BETWEEN THE THREE STRUCTURES.

IN MY MIND IT SEEMS TO ALL WORK.

IT'S NOTHING'S OUTSTANDING LIKE, OOH.

YEAH.

THE ONLY ONE THAT I WOULD BRING UP AS A, AS SOMETHING TO LOOK UM, MORE INTO IS THE TRANSOM OVER THE DOOR ON THE BACK OF THE GARAGE.

YEAH, AGREE.

IT HAS A FOUR LIGHT, WHICH IS REALLY SQUISHING THE PROPORTIONS A LOT MORE THAN THE REST OF THE WINDOWS AND DOORS AROUND THE STRUCTURES.

BUT IF YOU CHANGE THAT TOO LIGHT OH, THE FOUR, THAT WOULD BE FINE.

PROBABLY IT'S REAR ELEVATION.

IT'S BETWEEN YEAH, BETWEEN THE TWO.

OH OH, THE ONE RIGHT ABOVE THAT DOOR ON THE CONNECTOR THERE.

CONNECT.

YEAH.

AND I NOW THAT THEY'RE ALL GONNA BE 12 DIVIDE, SO THAT WOULD REDUCE THE NUMBER OF WINDOWS DOWN SIX.

RIGHT.

SO THAT DOES TAKE AWAY ONE AS WELL THERE.

OKAY.

UM, THE LANDSCAPE MODIFICATIONS AND THE TREES OFF THE LOT, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT EITHER THE H ERB APPROVES OR THEY DON'T DO.

AND THE, UM, SO EIGHT AND NINE DO NOT GIVE ME HESITATION TO HAVE THE HPC MAKE A MOTION WITH THAT AS THE CONDITION BECAUSE IT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT IF THEY OPT NOT TO DO IT, THEY'VE PUT THEMSELVES IN THAT RATHER THAN ADMINISTRATIVELY PUTTING THEMSELVES IN A, IN A LOCK GRIDLOCK.

UM, IF THE WINDOW IS BEING CHANGED TO A SHUTTER, I'M NOT A SHUTTER A, UM, UM, A LU VENT.

THANK YOU.

UM, THE, IF THAT'S SOMETHING YOU FEEL, YOU CAN PICTURE WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE.

AND THEN THE ONLY ONE THAT'S A QUESTION IS WHETHER OR NOT YOU ALL CAN PICTURE WHAT THESE WILL LOOK LIKE AS, UM, WINDOWS THAT ARE TWO OVER ONE DOUBLE HUNG INSTEAD OF THE CASEMENT, UM, SIX LIGHT WINDOWS THAT HAS THE H ARB APPROVAL.

I THINK THAT WE JUST ASK THESE BOARD, I, I UNDERSTAND EVERYONE ELSE IS FINE WITH THAT, BUT UNDERSTANDING WHAT'S GONNA BE DONE, IS THAT ANOTHER 10 THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT JUST NOW? UM, THAT 10 IS THE GABLE ONE.

SO THAT WOULD BE THIS HERE, RIGHT HERE AND RIGHT HERE.

AND THEN ON THE FRONT ELEVATION I BELIEVE IS WHAT THAT WRONG WAY AND HERE AND HERE.

SO THOSE WOULD BE CHANGED TO VENTS INSTEAD OF WHICH IS A STANDARD DETAIL INSTEAD OF A UM, WINDOW OF THE SAME SIZE AS WHAT IS THERE.

SO INSTEAD OF THE FOUR CROSS, IT'D JUST BE, UH, LUER VENT THAT WOULD THAT.

OKAY.

AND THEN, SO THAT BEING SAID IS SOMEONE, UM, I'M STILL MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE GONNA NOT WORD IT IN A, IF WE MAKE A MOTION THAT WE'RE NOT WORDING IT IN SUCH A MANNER THAT REQUIRES THE H ARB TO DO THEIR THING AND US DO OUR THING AND THEN OUR, I GUESS THAT'S IN REGARDS TO SEVEN AND EIGHT.

SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT OUR MOTION IS

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RIGHT.

DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? IT DOES.

AND I BELIEVE IF I CAN GET THAT THERE, UM, THERE'S POTENTIALLY A DRAFT MOTION ON THE SCREEN IF I HAVE HAVE ONE CLARIFICATION QUESTION.

MM-HMM.

ABOUT THE, UM, ADDITIONAL DOCUMENTS.

THE ONE OF THEM WAS FOR THE CONCEPTUAL SUBMITTAL, IT WAS LISTED THAT THE BALCONIES BE INCREASED AT FOUR FEET FOR THE U D O FOR THE SHUN IS THREE, WAS THAT HANDLED SEPARATELY OR NOT ADDRESSED? ONE, I THINK IT WAS INCREASED, WASN'T IT DISCUSSED? ARE YOU, WHERE, HOW'S YOUR DEVELOP? WHAT ARE THEY? UM, AT THE VERY THEY THREE OF THIS DOCUMENT.

YEAH, I REMEMBER SEEING THAT WHERE YOU ORIGINALLY HAD THREE, I THINK WE DISCUSSED.

YEAH, I THINK THEY'RE STILL AT THREE.

YEAH.

SO THOUGHT DISCUSSED THAT IT WOULD BE, UM, SO H PRC IS NOT THE BOARD THAT MOVES ON THESE, THE HPCS, WHICH IS THIS ONE.

UM, AND SO ALL OF THE ITEMS IN THE H PRC ARE PART OF THAT.

I APOLOGIZE PROFUSELY THAT I DID NOT INCLUDE THAT IN THE STAFF REPORT BECAUSE I THOUGHT THAT I HAD CAUGHT EVERYTHING.

IT SEEMS I, UM, MISSED THAT ITEM ON THERE.

UM, HOWEVER IT IS IN THE ORDINANCE THAT IF THEY ARE PROPORTIONATE TO THE BUILDING, IT IS AN ACCEPTABLE THING.

SO IT IS UP TO YOU ALL TO DETERMINE WHETHER YOU FIND THAT THE PROPORTIONS WITH THE THREE FOOT BALCONY INSTEAD OF THE FOUR IS A PROPORTIONATELY APPROPRIATE DEPTH.

ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT ONE IN THE BACK? THIS ONE HERE AND THEN ON THE CARRIAGE HOUSE HERE.

CARRIAGE HOUSE.

SO THEY'RE ONLY ON THE CARRIAGE HOUSE, THE BALCONIES.

SO THERE'S THREE FOOT ON THE CARRIAGE HOUSE FRONT AND BACK, RIGHT? YES.

AND LET ME TELL YOU, NO ARCHITECT WANTS TO GO OVER THREE FEET ON A BALCONY.

SO THE PROPORTIONALITY, THE CARRIAGE HOUSE IS SMALLER SO IT'S SMALLER WITH THAT CONCEPT THREE FEET.

I DON'T, I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH UNFORTUNATELY.

IT WOULD BE FINE.

I MEAN, YEAH.

IS THAT KINDA, IT WAS MORE OF A DECORATIVE ELEMENT FOR THE ELEVATION.

UM, NOT SO MUCH SOMEBODY'S GONNA SIT OUT THERE.

I THINK THE FREAK CHARACTER TO IT PROPORTIONATE WITH THE SMALLER.

UM, SO AGAIN, A OH, UH, BRAD TAKE, I'M THE, MY WIFE NOW WE'RE THE, UM, OWNERS.

UM, SO THE REASON WE MADE THOSE THREE FEET WAS JUST TO, UM, CREATE A LITTLE BIT OF DEPTH ON THE FRONT.

UM, THEY'RE NOT REALLY MEANT FOR, YOU KNOW, FURNITURE TO SEND BASICALLY FOR WALKING OUT ON.

AND THERE IS PRECEDENT FOR THIS, UM, IN BLUFFTON.

I DON'T HAVE A, I DON'T HAVE A PHOTOGRAPH WITH ME RIGHT NOW, BUT RIGHT AT THE CORNER OF, UM, OF MAY RIVER AND A BOUNDARY, A CADDY CORNER FROM THE NICKEL PUMPER.

THAT BUILDING ACTUALLY HAS A, A THREE FOOT BALCONY.

YES.

THAT BUILDING WAS, THAT WAS DONE IN THE ERROR AT THAT TIME.

SO I'LL JUST USE IT AS A, AS A, AS A PRECEDENT.

BUT THAT'S, BUT THE, THE, THE PERFECT HISTORY COMING BACK ANYWAY.

THANK YOU.

SO PERFECT.

UM, I, GOOD NOTE.

THAT'S GOOD.

GOOD.

IV.

THE CODE SECTION SAYS FOUR FOOT MINIMUM OR A DEPTH THAT IF PROPORTIONATE TO THE HEIGHT AND WIDTH OF THE BUILDING FOR UPPER FLOOR BALCONIES.

SO IF YOU ALL DO CHOOSE TO ALLOW THAT, IT IS NOT A PRECEDENT BEING SET NECESSARILY.

IT IS, UM, MAKING THAT DETERMINATION TONIGHT THAT IT IS OKAY TO HAVE THAT WITH THE CODE SECTION THAT IS CURRENTLY IN PLACE.

SO, UM, IT IS UP TO YOU, TO YOU ALL ON THAT ITEM.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? MM-HMM UM, ARE YOU PRETTY MUCH PROPER IN MAKING CHANGES TO OUR MOTION? KATIE? THERE'S SOMETHING ELSE.

KATIE IS HELPING US WITH MOTION, WHICH BECOME SOMEWHAT COMPLEX, SO WE APPRECIATE THAT.

THANK YOU.

I BELIEVE I'VE CAPTURED EVERYTHING.

SO IF I UNDERSTOOD WHAT YOU ALL WERE DISCUSSING, UM, THE FOUNDATION FINISH BEING PROVIDED, IT SOUNDS LIKE IT'S GOING TO BE TABBY.

SO THIS IS AN ADMINISTRATIVE THING AS LONG AS IT'S LISTED ON THERE THAT THAT UM, THAT SOLID CORE CONCRETE WILL STILL BE COVERED IN THE TABBY.

UM, IN ADDITION TO THE REST OF IT, THE DRIVEWAY WOULD BE REDUCED TO 10 FEET.

THE AWNING WINDOWS

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IF THEY OPT TO KEEP JUST THEY BE TURNED TO VENT THE AWNING WINDOWS, THEY ACTUALLY WANT WHATEVER THE ARB APPROVAL IS GOING TO BE.

WHAT DETERMINES THAT? SO, UM, AW WINDOWS, IS THAT AN AWING WINDOW HE REMOVED? UH, IT JUST DEPENDS ON HOW IT FUNCTIONS.

IT KIND OF LOOKS LIKE A, A SMALL DOUBLE HOME BUT THERE'S GONNA GO TO A VENT.

BUT IS AWING THE CORRECT WORD FROM THAT? DOES AWING WINDOW JUST OPENS LIKE THIS? THAT KIND OF LOOKS LIKE A, LOOKS LIKE A CASE.

FIXED WINDOWS OUTSIDE.

MM-HMM IT'S GONNA BE CHANGED.

OKAY, THANK YOU.

SO EITHER REMOVED OR TURNED TO EVENT, WHATEVER DATA SHARE B ALLOWS FOR THERE THE CANOPY COVERAGE BE UPDATED JUST TO REFLECT WHAT, UM, IS HOPEFULLY ALREADY BEING SHOWN JUST HAS A COUPLE THINGS IN IT.

THE NUMBER OF WINDOWS BE REDUCED BY CHANGING THE GAO WINDOWS TO THE VENT AND CHANGING THE WINDOW OF THE CONNECTOR TO A TWO LIGHT INSTEAD OF THE FORK.

UM, THE WINDOW LIGHT PATTERN BE CHANGED TO TWO OVER ONE, UM, AS THE ARB APPROVED TO THE TWO OVER ONE LIGHT AS THE ARB APPROVED THE ARB APPROVAL OF THE TREES AWFUL LOT PROVIDED TO THE TOWN IF THEY EXIST, IF THEY DON'T EXIST SOMETHING FROM THE ARB THAT SAYS THAT THEY DON'T EXIST AND THAT THEY'RE OKAY WITH THAT.

THE LANDSCAPE MODIFIED TO THE AJ B'S THINGS.

UM, AND THE WINDOW CHANGED TO A LOUVER IN THE GABLE PER THE A JRB LETTER OR REVISED LETTER FROM THE ARB PROVIDED TO US.