* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:11] WELCOME ALL TO THE PUBLIC PLANNING COMMITTEE MEETING OF JANUARY 26TH. ZAYA, ARE WE IN, UH, CONFORMANCE OR IN COMPLIANCE WITH FOIA? YES. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. WOULD YOU CALL THE ROLL, PLEASE? YES, SIR. THIS IS HERE. MS. BRYSON? HERE, BECKER? HERE. MR. A. HERE. THANK YOU. IS THERE A, A MOTION TO AGENDA, UH, AMEND THE AGENDA? YES. UM, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO AMEND THE AGENDA TO MOVE THE CHAIRMAN'S REPORT, UM, UNDER APPEARANCE BY CITIZENS AND BEFORE NEW BUSINESS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. SECOND? SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFIED BY SAYING AYE. AYE. AYE. AYE. THANK YOU. PASSE US UNANIMOUSLY. THANK YOU. UH, I BELIEVE WE HAVE ONE PERSON WHO, UH, SIGNED UP TO APPEAR. IS THAT CORRECT? YES, SIR. SANAYA, WHO IS THAT? THANK YOU VERY MUCH. SKIP HOGAN, ARE YOU HERE? YOUR TURN? OKAY. THE ONLY ONE BEEN INTERESTING. UH, SKIP HOLAND WINDMILL HARBOR. WHY HASN'T A MASTER LAND PLAN EVER BEEN CREATED INTO PERPETUITY? SO WE'D HAVE THE TOOLS NECESSARY TO SAVE OURSELVES FROM OVERDEVELOPMENT ON TENABLE TRAFFIC AND ONGOING RUNOFF POLLUTION CAUSED BY ENCROACHMENT OF OUR CREEKS, RIVERS, AND ESTUARIES. POLLUTED OYSTERS ARE THE FIRST BAD SIGN 1 MILLION YEARS TO CREATE DESTROYED IN 30 YEARS BY HAVING NO MASTER LAND PLAN. WHY HAS ONE ROAD AND ONE BRIDGE ALL THE WAY TO I 95 NEVER BEEN TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION? WHAT DOES D O T SAY ABOUT THIS ONE ROAD IN IT'S MAXIMUM USAGE WITH BLUFFED AND HARDY BILL'S OUTTA CONTROL OVER DEVELOPMENT WITH 200 HERE, 300 THERE AND NO MASTER LAND PLAN HAS ANY THOUGHT BEEN GIVEN AS TO WHAT WILL HAPPEN 10 YEARS FROM NOW? NOT TO MENTION HOW LONG IT WILL TAKE TO GET OFF HILTON HEAD AND A HURRICANE OR YOUR NEXT TRIP TO THE AIRPORT. HAS ANY THOUGHT BEEN GIVEN ABOUT INCREASED WRECKS AND TRAFFIC DELAYS? EMERGENCY VEHICLES REACHING HOSPITALS ARE FUTURE ROAD REPAIRS AND DELAYS A NEGATIVE IMPACT ON 3 MILLION TOURISTS, UH, BY 3 MILLION TOURISTS VERSUS 45 LOCAL RESIDENTS THAT WE NOW EXPERIENCE TOURISM IS WELCOME, BUT NOT AT LOCAL'S EXPENSE. WHAT DOES D O T HAVE TO SAY ABOUT THESE SAME 3 MILLION TOURISTS ENTERING HILTON HEAD ON ONE ROAD AND ONE BRIDGE? DON'T YOU THINK IT'S TIME TO STOP KICKING THE CAN DOWN THE ROAD? THE BRIDGE IS NOTHING BUT A STENT FOR YOUR HEART AND WILL DO LITTLE TO NOTHING OVER THE LAST, LAST, UH, NEXT 10 YEARS. IT'S A $300 MILLION WASTE OF TAXPAYERS MONEY. I AM A 47 YEAR RESIDENT. I MOVED HERE FOR THE CHARLES FRAZIER VISION FOR A LOW-KEY HIGH-END RETIREMENT AND RESORT THAT TOOK NATURE AND THE ENVIRONMENT INTO CONSIDERATION. IT'S LIKE THE SONG GOES BY JOHNNY MITCHELL. THEY TOOK ALL THE TREES, THEY PUT 'EM IN A TREE MUSEUM, AND THEY CHARGE THE PEOPLE A DOLLAR AND A HALF TO SEE 'EM. DUN. IT DONUT ALWAYS SEEM TO GO THAT YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU GOT UNTIL IT'S GONE. IT'S NOT YOUR FAULT. YOU ARE ALL JUST ANOTHER LONG LINE OF FAILED, CONTROLLED, KICK THE CAN DOWN THE ROAD. APPOINTED OFFICIALS CONTROLLED BY THE DEVELOPERS, THE CROOKED TOWN MANAGERS AND TOWN LAWYERS IN CONFLICT WITH DEVELOPER CLIENTS, CHAMBER TOURISM INTEREST AND THEIR ILLEGAL PROFITS. AND THE SECRET GREATER ISLAND COUNCIL MEMBERS. SPECIAL INTEREST GREED, UNFORTUNATELY, TOO LATE TO REPAIR ALL THE DAMAGE DONE ONLY WILL GET WORSE WITH NO MASTER WHAM PLANT INTO PERPETUITY. WE ARE AT SIX POUNDS IN A FIVE POUND BAG. WE'RE HEADING TO 10 POUNDS, AND IT'S LIKE A SLOW GROWING CANCER. IF YOU DON'T STOP IT AND REMOVE IT, IT WILL EVENTUALLY KILL YOU. ALSO DEFUND THE CHAMBER'S MILLIONS IN AACS IN THE MISSING MILLIONS OF HOSPITALITY TAXES THAT ARE UNACCOUNTED FOR. AND ADD THIS TO SENATOR DAVID'S 1% TAX AND LET THE TOURISTS PAY NOT THE LOCALS TO BUY LANDS AND IMPROVE OUR INFRASTRUCTURE AND TECHNOLOGY PROVIDES ALL THE TOURISMS WE NEED FOR FREE. WE NEED TO DEFUND THIS CHAMBER AND STOP THE ROBBERY AND STOP THE INSANITY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU MR. HOLAND. WE NEXT MOVE ON TO THE DISCUSSION IN THE CHAIRMAN'S REPORT OF, UH, JONESVILLE. I HAVE A COUPLE OF COMMENTS THAT I'D LIKE TO MAKE, UH, TO THE RESIDENTS OF THE JONESVILLE AREA. YOUR CONCERNS HAVE BEEN HEARD AND ARE SHARED BY COUNSEL. I THINK, I THINK YOU KNOW THAT BECAUSE OF THE CONVERSATIONS WE'VE HAD RECENTLY. I THINK THERE IS A HILTON HEAD WAY OF DEVELOPING, AND WHAT WE HAVE SEEN IN THE JONESVILLE AREA AND OTHER AREAS ON THIS ISLAND IS A REGIONAL DEVELOPER'S APPROACH TO, TO DEVELOPMENT [00:05:01] THAT IS NOT THE HILTON HEAD WAY AND THE COUNCIL RECOGNIZES IT. I'D LIKE TO REITERATE, STAFF HAS BEEN FOCUSED ON THE ALAMO O AMENDS ALAMO O AMENDMENTS TO IMPROVE YOUR SITUATION. SEAN WILL TALK ABOUT THAT IN MORE DETAIL IN A MINUTE. THIRDLY, COUNCIL IS COMMITTED TO DO WHAT IT CAN TO MITIGATE TO THE GREATEST EXTENT POSSIBLE, THE NEGATIVE IMPACTS OF THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENTS. FOURTH COUNCIL HAS ANALYZED THE MORATORIUM VERSUS EXPEDITING LMO AMENDMENTS AND HAS ASKED STAFF TO EXPEDITE THOSE LMO AMENDMENTS IN THE DISTRICT PLANNING AND, AND ALSO IN THE DISTRICT PLANNING WHILE EXPLORING OTHER OPPORTUNITIES. AND I CAN'T SAY MORE THAN THAT AT THIS MOMENT. I AM HOPEFUL YOU'LL RESPECT OUR SINCERITY AND COMMITMENT TO MAKE THINGS BETTER FOR YOU AND BETTER FOR THE ISLAND. THANK YOU. AND, AND THERE ARE SEATS UP FRONT AND SCATTERED THROUGHOUT. UM, IF YOU WANT TO JOIN IN, UM, I SEE 1, 2, 3, 4 IN, IN THE FRONT HERE. UM, PLEASE MAKE YOURSELF COMFORTABLE. SEAN COLEMAN. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. MORNING, MR. CHAIRMAN, COMMITTEE MEMBER SEAN COLE, ASSISTANT TOWN MANAGER, UM, AND DIRECTOR OF COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT. UM, IT'S A GREAT DAY IN HILTON NET ISLAND. I'M HAPPY TO BE IN FRONT OF YOU TODAY. UH, MR. HOLAND, YOU'RE GONNA GET YOUR WISH WHERE YOU'RE GONNA DO A MASTER PLAN, AND WE'RE GONNA DO IT RIGHT AND WE ARE GOING TO DO IT IMMEDIATELY. UM, AS IT RELATES TO JONESVILLE, I WANT THE COMMITTEE TO KNOW, UH, THAT STAFF HAS MET WITH REPRESENTATIVES FROM JONESVILLE AND OTHER AREAS, UH, FOLLEY FIELD, FOREST BEACH, UM, AND UNDERSTAND THE PINCH POINTS AND WHERE OUR CODE IS NOT DELIVERING OUR EXPECTATIONS. UM, WE DID MEET WITH THE JONESVILLE GROUP A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO, UH, WITH, UM, SEVERAL STAFF MEMBERS AND DISCIPLINES TO HELP ADDRESS SOME ISSUES THAT, UM, THEY'VE EXPERIENCED NOW THERE. SO WE HAD FOLKS FROM NATURAL RESOURCES AND DRAIN, UH, STORM WATER AND PLANNING AND TRAFFIC. AND, UM, WE OUTLINED A PLAN OF ATTACK FOR THE JONESVILLE AREA. UM, THAT WILL GO IN PARALLEL WITH OUR, UM, LMO CODE CHANGES DISTRICT PLANNING, UM, AND RECALIBRATION OF EXPECTATIONS, UM, FOR THE FUTURE OF HILTON ISLAND. AND SO I WANTED TO COVER A FEW KEY POINTS. SO THE TOWN IS ENGAGED IN DOING A TRAFFIC IMPACT ASSESSMENT AND ANALYSIS OF THE SPANISH WELLS JONESVILLE AREA. UM, AND WE'LL COMPLETE THAT IN THE NEXT TWO TO THREE MONTHS AND HAVE THAT, UH, AVAILABLE TO MAKE, HELP US MAKE DECISIONS, HELP US DRIVE ANY INFRASTRUCTURE CHANGES THAT NEED TO HAPPEN IN AND AROUND, UM, THAT AREA. UM, WHETHER IT'S THROUGH THE TOWN, C I P, THE COUNTY C I P JOINTLY, UH, OR, OR EXPENSE OF A POTENTIAL PROJECT THAT WOULD AN APPLICANT THAT WOULD, UM, PROPOSE A PROJECT IN THAT AREA. UM, WE HAVE MAPPED ALL THE, ALL OF THE PROPERTIES, UM, IN OUR GIS SYSTEM AND OUR TRACKING TO MAKE SURE THAT AREA RESIDENTS ARE NOTIFIED ON ANY ACTIVITY THAT OCCURS. UM, IN THE AREA OF JONESVILLE, THERE ARE PENDING SUBDIVISION APPLICATIONS IN JONESVILLE, ONLY BAILEY'S COVE, PHASE ONE HAS BEEN APPROVED. UH, SUBSEQUENT PHASES FOR BAILEY'S COVE TIDES ONE, TWO AND TWIN OAKS HAVE NOT YET BEEN APPROVED. UH, WE CONTINUE TO WORK THROUGH THE REVIEW PROCESS. WE CONTINUE TO PUSH THE APPLICANTS MEET EXPECTATIONS ON, UH, VALUE ADDED COMMUNITIES THAT PROVIDE THE DESIGN AND AESTHETIC, UM, AND EXPERIENCE THAT I THINK WILL BE LONG LASTING. UM, RATHER THAN JUST MAXIMIZING A NUMBER OF STAMPS OR LOTS, I HEAR 'EM CALLED STAMPS, THAT KIND OF IRRITATES ME A LITTLE BIT. UM, THEY'RE JUST SELLING STAMPS. THAT'S REALLY NOT THE WAY TO TO APPROACH IT. YOU'RE SELLING A HOME AND AN EXPERIENCE. SO, UM, BUT WE'RE WORKING ACTIVELY. UM, ALL OF OUR REVIEW IS DONE BY A TEAM. UH, EVERYONE HAS EYES ON THIS. UM, IT'S NOT AN INDIVIDUAL DECISION, AND SO WE'RE MAKING SURE ALL DISCIPLINES INVOLVED, UM, ARE PART OF THAT ST TEAM DISCUSSION. WE HAVE A DEVELOPMENT REVIEW TEAM. THEY CALL IT THE DIRT TEAM, YOU KNOW, BUT, UM, AND I SAY, WELL, LET'S GET DOWN AND DIRTY THEN, LIKE, LET'S MAKE A DIFFERENCE, UM, AND PAY ATTENTION TO DETAILS. UH, BUT IT'S A FULL TEAM APPROACH. UM, WE'VE BEGUN TAKING OUR, UH, MAJOR SUBDIVISIONS AND MAJOR DEVELOPMENT PLAN REVIEWS TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION, UH, TO LIVE IN THE SUNSHINE FOR INFORMATION AND INPUT FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION, AND WILL SOON BE ADDING, UM, THOSE SAME LEVEL OF PROJECTS TO TOWN COUNCIL TO [00:10:01] BRING FORWARD FOR INPUT, UM, AND INFORMATION. UM, AGAIN, THE TOWN LMO AMENDMENTS. I WANT TO THANK TOWN COUNCIL. WE SPENT TWO DAYS THIS WEEK AND STRATEGIC PLANNING, AND I'M HAPPY TO SAY ONE OF THE REASONS I CAME HERE MANY YEARS AGO WAS BECAUSE HILTON LED WAS KNOWN FOR BEING A WELL-PLANNED COMMUNITY. UM, AND I CAME FROM THE CITY OF GREENVILLE WHERE I WAS WORKING ON DISTRICT PLANS THERE, AND REALLY, UM, SAW AN OPPORTUNITY TO BUILD UPON THE STONY INITIATIVE PLAN, THE CHAPLAIN INITIATIVE PLAN, BRIDGE THE BEACH AND OTHERS, UM, TO HELP, UH, DEFINE HILTON HEAD FOR THE FUTURE. AND SO WE ARE ACTIVELY WORKING ON A CODE ASSESSMENT. WE HAD, UM, A FULL L O SWAT ANALYSIS DONE. UH, WE'VE EVALUATED IT STAFF MET LAST WEEK, UH, TO INCLUDE THE TIME MANAGER WITH THAT CODE ASSESSMENT TEAM AND OUR INTERNAL TEAM FOR TWO DAYS AT U S C B TO REALLY UNDERSTAND WHERE WE ARE WEAK, WHERE WE HAVE OPPORTUNITIES TO IMPROVE. UM, ALSO A FEW THINGS THAT WE'RE STRONG ON, AND I DON'T WANT TO LOSE LOSE SIGHT OF THAT, BUT TO REALLY UNDERSTAND WHERE WE'RE AT SO WE KNOW WHERE TO GO, UH, AND BE PURPOSEFUL AND EFFICIENT IN DELIVERING A CODE THAT MEETS EXPECTATIONS. SO THAT HAPPENED LAST WEEK. OUR, OUR TOWN COUNCIL AT THE STRATEGIC, UM, WORKSHOP YESTERDAY SUPPORTED A FULL PLAN TO COMPLETE THESE DISTRICT PLANS, GROWTH FRAMEWORK LMO CHANGES, BOTH IN AN IMMEDIATE TERM AND IN A LONG TERM. AND SO WE'RE, WE ARE ACTIVELY ENGAGED. WE'VE ALREADY WRITTEN SOME CODE, SOME WILL BE ON THE AGENDA LATER TODAY, BUT SOME ADDITIONAL AMENDMENTS WILL COME FORWARD IN THE 30, 60, 90 DAY, UH, TIMEFRAME. DISTRICT PLANNING WILL BE ENGAGED WITH JONESVILLE AS A PRI AS A PRIORITY DISTRICT TO ADVANCE IMMEDIATELY FOR ASSESSMENT AND DETERMINATION OF THE RIGHT, UM, LAND USE PATTERN AND INTENSITIES THAT SHOULD EXIST, UH, TO HELP GUIDE THAT, UM, DEVELOPMENT AREA FOR THE FUTURE. AND THEN BY THE END OF THE YEAR, WE'LL BRING FORWARD A COMPLETE COMPREHENSIVE, UM, RELEVANT AND CURRENT CODE, UM, THAT REFLECTS HILTON ISLAND EXPECTATIONS GROUNDED IN OUR PLAN, OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, AND ALL OF THE GOOD WORK WE'LL DO WITH INDIVIDUAL COMMUNITIES IN THESE DISTRICTS. SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S CONVEYED. UH, WE HAVE NOW COMMITTED, UM, THIS IS THE NUMBER ONE PRIORITY AT STAFF, AND WE WILL MAKE SURE THAT THIS IS, UH, NOT BUDGED MOVED, UM, UNLESS, UM, WE GET HIT BY A NATURAL DISASTER. I THINK THAT'S THE ONLY THING THAT I WOULD ALLOW MY STAFF TO, TO FOCUS ON. OKAY, . SO, UM, SO AGAIN, DISTRICT PLANNING PART OF IT THAT'LL, THAT'LL HELP GUIDE THIS LONG TERM, UM, UPDATE AND SOME OF THESE SHORT TERM ACTIONS THAT WE'LL BRING FORWARD HERE IN THE NEXT, UM, UH, TWO OR THREE MONTHS. WE ALSO HAVE IN OUR TOWN CAPITAL PROGRAM THE ASSESSMENT OF, UM, NON NON VEHICULAR, UM, INFRASTRUCTURE OUT THERE, PATHWAYS TO SERVE BIKE AND BICYCLISTS AND PEDESTRIANS THAT ASSESSMENT'S UNDERWAY. AND WE'LL BRING FORWARD, UH, WHATEVER THE OPTIONS ARE TO IMPLEMENT A PROJECT AND JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT WE'VE HEARD FROM THE COMMUNITY AND WE'RE ADVANCING THAT AS PART OF OUR C I P AND THERE IS FUNDING TO COMPLETE THAT ASSESSMENT AND THEN MOVE THAT FORWARD. UM, I MENTIONED WE'VE, WE'VE, UM, INCLUDED IN OUR GIS OUR GEOGRAPHIC INFORMATION SYSTEM MAPPING OF ALL OF THIS. UM, AND THAT'S, UM, GONNA BE VERY CRITICAL TO UNDERSTAND WHERE THERE ARE ADDITIONAL, UM, WELL, OPPORTUNITIES OR THREATS AREAS WE NEED TO PROTECT, AREAS THAT, UM, COULD BE, UM, OPPORTUNITY FOR DEVELOPERS TO COME IN. AND WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE PROTECTING AND UNDERSTANDING WHAT THOSE LONG-TERM IMPACTS, UH, SHORT-TERM AND LONG-TERM IMPACTS, UM, COULD BE. UM, I WANTED TO SHARE THAT INFORMATION TO LET YOU KNOW THAT WE ARE TAKING THIS SERIOUSLY. WE ARE MEETING WITH MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY, UM, AND MY TEAM, UH, WITH THE SUPPORT OF THE TOWN MANAGER AND TOWN COUNCIL, UM, HAVE THIS AS OUR TOP PRIORITY AND WE'LL ADVANCE IT IMMEDIATELY TO ADDRESS THESE CONCERNS. THANK YOU, SEAN. I WOULD LIKE TO, UH, REITERATE, UH, TWO ITEMS FOR EMPHASIS. COUNSEL HAS MADE THE DECISION TO MAKE JONESVILLE IT'S NUMBER ONE PRIORITY IN DISTRICT PLANNING. AND SECONDLY, YESTERDAY IN THE STRATEGIC PLANNING SESSION, AND I THINK I SPEAK FOR EVERYONE ON COUNCIL, GROWTH MANAGEMENT IS OUR NUMBER ONE ISSUE BEFORE THE COMMUNITY AT THIS TIME. THANK YOU. THERE ARE A, THERE IS A GROUP OF CITIZENS FROM JONESVILLE WHO WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THE PUBLIC PLANNING COMMITTEE. UM, I, MY EXPECTATION IS THE FIRST FEW WILL BE THREE MINUTES, AND AFTER THAT, UH, THE PRESIDENT OR CHAIRMAN OF THE, UH, JONESVILLE PRESERVATION GROUP, UH, WILL HAVE LONGER [00:15:01] TO SPEAK. IS THAT CORRECT? OKAY. THE FIRST SPEAKER, KELLY LEBLANC. I WANTED TO THANK YOU ALL AND, UH, STAFF, I, WE, WE KNOW THAT YOU'RE WORKING REALLY HARD ON THIS ISSUE, AND WE DO APPRECIATE IT, AND WE REALLY APPRECIATE BEING ENGAGED, UH, TO HELP WITH THE DEVELOP THE LMO AS WELL. SO, UH, I'M DR. KELLY LEBLANC. I'M THE AUTHOR OF THE SURVEY ON OVERDEVELOPMENT AND THE SECRETARY OF THE JONESVILLE PRESERVATION SOCIETY. I'M GOING TO BE PRESENTING THE, THE RESULTS OF THE SURVEY, WHICH CAN BE ALSO SEEN ONLINE AT JPS H H I.ORG, JPS HHI.ORG. UH, THERE ARE CURRENTLY THREE MAJOR SUBDIVISIONS PLANNED FOR JONESVILLE ROAD WITH A TOTAL OF 243 UNITS, WHICH COULD TRIPLE OUR POPULATION. THE JPS TEAM FORMED JUST OVER ONE MONTH AGO AND QUICKLY REALIZED THAT THIS IS AN ISLAND WIDE ISSUE, AND OUR STRATEGY IS TO ENGAGE ALL CITIZENS OF HILTON HEAD THAT ARE CONCERNED ABOUT OVERDEVELOPMENT. TO DATE, WE HAVE OVER 1400 RESPONSES TO THE SURVEY. QUESTION ONE, ON A SCALE OF ONE TO 10, HOW CONCERNED ARE YOU ABOUT OVERDEVELOPMENT? THE AVERAGE RESPONSE WAS 9.5 OUT OF 10. QUESTION TWO, WE FOCUSED THE SURVEY ON RESIDENTS. 83% SAY THEY WERE FULL-TIME RESIDENTS. QUESTION THREE, UH, I SAID TWO BEFORE, THAT WAS TWO. SO QUESTION THREE, WE RECEIVED RESPONSES FROM ALL OVER THE ISLAND, 50% FROM THE NORTH END, 45% FROM MID ISLAND AND SOUTH END, AND 5% FROM OFF ISLAND. QUESTION FOUR, DO YOU WANT THE TOWN COUNCIL, UH, THE TO ROLLBACK ZONING AND OVER LIMIT DEVE AND LIMIT OVERDEVELOPMENT? 96% SAID YES. QUESTION FIVE, DO YOU WANT A SIX MONTH MORATORIUM ON MAJOR BUILDING PROJECTS? 91% SAID YES. QUESTION SIX, THEIR TOP THREE CONCERNS WERE OF IMPACTS WERE TRAFFIC VOLUME, 93%, QUALITY OF LIFE, 91%, AND ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS 87%. THE CURRENT, UH, COMPREHENSIVE PLAN DOES NOT ADEQUATELY ADDRESS THOSE TOP THREE CONCERNS. THE LACK OF WORKFORCE HOUSING IS A MAJOR CONSEQUENCE OF OVERDEVELOPMENT. MORE SHORT-TERM RENTALS LEADS TO MORE EXPENSIVE LONG-TERM RENTALS. QUESTION SEVEN, WHERE IS THE BEST PLACE FOR WORKFORCE HOUSING? 49% SAID THAT WORKFORCE HOUSING SHOULD BE WITHIN WALKING DISTANCE. IN OTHER WORDS, ONE MILE TO PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION. SHORT-TERM RENTALS THREATENED THE QUALITY OF LIFE OF RESIDENTS. QUESTION EIGHT, SHOULD SHORT-TERM RENTALS BE RESTRICTED TO SPECIFIC AREAS? 83% SAID YES. I WANNA THANK YOU AGAIN FOR YOUR ATTENTION. I WANNA SAY THIS, I WANNA THANK THE, THE CROWD ALSO FOR COMING. UH, THIS CROWD WOULD NOT BE HERE IF THERE HAD BEEN PUBLIC NOTICE OF THE DEVELOPMENTS ON JONESVILLE ROAD. THE BAILEY'S COVE SUBDIVISION WAS APPROVED WITHOUT PUBLIC COMMENT. THE LMO MUST BE WRITTEN TO REQUIRE PUBLIC NOTICE ON APPLICATION OF SUBDIVISION, MAJOR BUILDING PROJECTS OR MAJOR REZONING. THE PUBLIC HAS THE RIGHT TO RESPOND TO APPLICATIONS OF MAJOR BUILDING PROJECTS BEFORE THEY ARE APPROVED. THANK YOU, YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. PRIOR TO THE MEETING, UH, IT, IT WAS MADE KNOWN TO ME THAT PETE SHAW IS ILL, BUT THERE IS A SUBSTITUTE FOR PETE SHAW. WOULD THAT PERSON PLEASE COME FORWARD? GOOD MORNING. GOOD MORNING. I'M NOT SURE FROM AN ADEQUATE SUBSTITUTE FOR PETE SHAW, BUT I DO HAVE SOME VESTED INTEREST. YOUR NAME, SIR? MY NAME IS NEWTON GREEN, AND I AM EXTREMELY VESTED IN WHAT'S HAPPENING ON JONESVILLE ROAD. I REMEMBER JONESVILLE ROAD WHEN IT WAS DIRT. SO I'VE SEEN MANY, MANY ITERATIONS OF JONESVILLE ROAD THROUGHOUT THE YEARS. UH, MY CAREER WITHIN AT AND T AND IBM, I HAVE DESIGNED AND IMPLEMENTED COMMUNICATION SYSTEMS AND DATA SYSTEMS ACROSS THE CONTINENTAL UNITED STATES, AS WELL AS ACROSS EUROPE. SO I HAVE SOME UNDERSTANDING OF PLANNING TO IMPLEMENTATION. SO I JUST WANNA POINT OUT A COUPLE OF THINGS. IN LOOKING OVER THE DOCUMENTS ASSOCIATED WITH THE DEVELOPMENTS ON JONESVILLE ROAD, WHICH I THINK ARE SOME MAJOR OVERSIGHTS, SOME MISSES. IF YOU LOOK AT THE TRAFFIC CONFIG CONFIGURATIONS, IT WOULD APPEAR TO ME THAT, UH, NOT ENOUGH ANALYSIS WAS DONE ON INCREASING THE TRAFFIC OVER 50 TO 60%. THERE IS NO WAY THAT, UH, ACCESS FROM JONESVILLE ROAD CAN BE ACCOMPLISHED JUST WITH THAT ONE TURN GOING INTO SPANISH [00:20:01] WELLS ROAD. A GREAT DEAL OF ATTENTION NOW NEEDS TO BE GIVEN TWO MILLER ROAD. HEAVY FOCUS NEEDS TO BE GIVEN TO MILLER ROAD. NOW, GIVEN THAT THERE ARE THREE POINTS THAT I BELIEVE THE GENTLEMAN I'M REPRESENTING WOULD'VE BROUGHT UP TODAY IS LOOKING AT THE PLAN AS IT IS RIGHT NOW, I DON'T BELIEVE, FROM MY ANALYSIS AND LOOKING AT, I'M LOOKING AT THE TIME CLOCK AS WELL, THAT A TRAFFIC STUDY WAS DONE ENCOMPASSING ALL THREE DEVELOPMENTS. IF A TRAFFIC STUDY HADN'T BEEN DONE WITH ALL THREE DEVELOPMENTS, THERE'S NO WAY THE AMOUNT OF HOUSES THAT ARE THERE RIGHT NOW WOULD'VE BEEN APPROVED. SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR IS ANOTHER LOOK, ANOTHER LOOK TO SHORT TO ENSURE THAT ADEQUATE ATTENTION HAS BEEN GIVEN TO THE INCREASED TRAFFIC. ANY DEVELOPMENT WILL POSE ON JONESVILLE ROAD SAFETY. ANOTHER ISSUE, IF YOU LOOK AT THE CURRENT CONFIGURATION OF, UH, WHAT IS BEING PROPOSED, THERE IS A RECREATIONAL AREA. IF YOU LOOK AT THAT RECREATIONAL AREA, YOU WILL SEE ACCESS TO. IT IS DIRECTLY ACROSS JONESVILLE ROAD, THROUGH TWO BLIND TURNS ON THE ROAD, AN EXTREMELY HAZARDOUS AND POTENTIALLY DANGEROUS AREA THAT OBVIOUSLY NEEDS TO BE LOOKED AT AGAIN. ALSO, WHOEVER LOOKED AT A FRESHWATER POND, THERE AGAIN, I DON'T THINK THAT ENOUGH HOMEWORK. IF THE FRESHWATER POND FILLS UP, IT'S GONNA FLOOD JONESVILLE ROAD. SO AGAIN, I THINK THAT NEEDS TO BE LOOKED AT AS WELL. SO AGAIN, MY BACKGROUND SAYS, DO YOUR HOMEWORK BEFORE YOU IMPLEMENT SOMETHING. DON'T SPEND MILLIONS OF DOLLARS ON SOMETHING THAT'S GONNA BE PULLED BACK, FOUGHT OVER, AND NOT IMPLEMENTED. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, KUNI. THANK YOU. UM, I'M DONNIE KUNI. I HAVE BEEN AN ISLAND RESIDENCE FOR ALMOST 40 YEARS, AND FOR THE PAST 21 YEARS LIVING ON JONESVILLE ROAD THIS MORNING, I WAS ASKED TO SPEAK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE ENVIRONMENT AND THE IMPACT THE GROWTH HAS HAD ON IT. AND IT'S OBVIOUS THROUGH MY DISCOVERY AND RESEARCH THAT THE TOWN ALREADY KNOWS THE IMPACT. THERE'S NO REASON FOR ME TO GO OVER IT AGAIN, TO TALK ABOUT THE HUNDRED YEAR, YEAR OLD OAK TREES THAT ARE BEING CUT DOWN, DISPLACING WILDLIFE, THE IMPACT ON OUR WATERWAYS, THE BEACH, EVEN THE MARSHES. YOU ALREADY KNOW THAT. AND WHAT I DISCOVERED IS WE LOST OUR VISION. THE ORIGINAL VISION OF THIS ISLAND WASN'T WHAT IT IS TODAY. SO TASHAUN MENTIONED THE GIS MAPPING. SO I WENT BACKWARD 20 YEARS AGO, ALMOST IN 2004, TO LOOK AT THOSE MAPS COMPARED THEM TO TODAY'S MAPS. THE PART THAT'S ALARMING IS A NUMBER OF TREES THAT HAVE BEEN TAKEN DOWN TO PUT A STAMP ON THE GROUND FOR A HOUSE. WE NEED TO STOP THAT. THEN I DID ANOTHER LITTLE RESEARCH ONE ON THE TOWN'S WEBSITE. YOU ALREADY HAVE INSTRUMENTS IN PLACE THAT WERE VOTED UPON IN THE EIGHTIES AND NINETIES TO PROTECT THIS ISLAND. WE JUST NEED TO REVISIT THE VISION IN 1980S, WHERE THE FIRST ISLAND OF THE FIRST PLACE OF ITS KIND TO PUT IN A TREE ORDINANCE TO PROTECT OUR TREES. LATER IN THE EIGHTIES, THERE WAS A LAND TRUST THAT WAS DEVELOPED TO PROTECT THE LAND. AGAIN, LATER IN THE EIGHTIES, THE TOWN COMMISSIONED A LONG RANGE MASTER PLAN. IT'S HARD HERE, WHICH IS THE FOLLOWING. THOSE MASTER PLANS WERE TO SLOW DOWN THE GROWTH. AND IN THE NINETIES, THERE WAS A, A AREA THAT WAS TO MANAGE THE GROWTH OF THE ISLAND, PROTECT THE AREAS. IN FACT, TO DATE, OVER 1300 ACRES HAVE BEEN PURCHASED BY THE TOWN TO PROTECT THOSE LANDS, THESE PROTECTED AREAS, PRECLUDED, COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT, HOTEL DEVELOPMENT, AND NEW HOMES. THESE ARE YOUR WORDS. THIS CAME RIGHT OUT OF THE TOWN HILTON HEADS ARTICLE IN 2018 FROM THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE. AND IT'S THERE TO TODAY. SO YOU ARE SAYING WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR. THEN IN 2020, THERE'S A PLAN THAT Y'ALL PUT OUT. IF WE JUST READ IT AND FOLLOW IT, WE TAKE CARE OF ALL THE PROBLEMS IN THAT PLAN. TALKED ABOUT RIGHT SIZING, TALKING ABOUT HOW THE GROWTH OF THIS COMMUNITY IS MORE THAN THIS ISLAND CAN HANDLE ON PAGE EIGHT, WHICH IS MY TOPIC, ENVIRONMENTAL GOALS. AND I'LL READ TO YOU ENVIRONMENT TO PROTECT AND PRESERVE THE NATURAL ENVIRONMENT OF HILTON HEAD ISLAND. SIMPLE. [00:25:02] SO WHAT WE'RE ASKING YOU TODAY IS RE-LOOK AT THE VISION THAT WE HAD ORIGINALLY. THE SAME THING THAT'S CAUSING ALL THESE PEOPLE TO COME IN HERE TODAY TO SPEAK. THEY'RE PASSIONATE ABOUT IT. I THANK YOU AND I THANK EVERYBODY HERE AS WELL. THANK YOU, DEE ANTHONY. THANK YOU MS. ANTHONY. GOOD MORNING. GOOD MORNING. FOR THE RECORD, MY NAME IS DEE ANTHONY. I LIVE ON WALKING HORSE STREET, WHICH IS OFF OF JONESVILLE ROAD. UM, AND GOING THROUGH THE SURVEY AND READING THE COMMENTS AND LOOKING AT THINGS, THERE HAVE BEEN A FEW THINGS IN OUR HOUSEHOLD THAT HAVE BEEN HIGHLIGHTED. UM, ONE OF THEM WOULD BE THE HOSPITALS. OUR EMERGENCY ROOM HAS 24 BEDS. WITHOUT HAVING ENOUGH PRIMARY CARE PHYSICIANS, PATIENTS ARE SENT TO THE EMERGENCY ROOM. I HAVE PERSONALLY SAT IN THE HALLWAY IN THE ER DUE TO OVERCROWDING. TO DATE. OUR INPATIENT BEDS ARE AT 100% CAPACITY. OVERCROWDING AFFECTS THE QUALITY OF HEALTH AND OF HEALTHCARE FOR RESIDENTS AND VISITORS ALIKE. ANOTHER THING THAT OUR HOUSEHOLDS HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT IS OUR SCHOOLS WAS THE CAPACITY OF OUR SCHOOLS. HILL NET HIGH SCHOOL, ACCORDING TO THE COUNTY WEBSITE, IS AT OUR OVER CAPACITY. THIS MAKES FOR A VERY TOUGH LEARNING ENVIRONMENT. OUR SCHOOLS ARE OVERBURDENED, THEY'RE LACKING TEACHERS AND SUBSTITUTE SUBSTITUTES. IF A TEACHER IS ABSENT, A CLASS HAS TO SPLIT BETWEEN TWO OTHER CLASSROOMS. THIS CREATES HUGE CLASS SIZES AND STRESS FOR THE STUDENTS AND THE TEACHERS. WHAT'S OUR SCHOOL'S CAPACITY? IS ANY OF THIS BEING TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION AS PART OF THE PLANNING TO ANY OF THE TOWNS PLANNING? I THINK WE NEED TO STEP BACK, TAKE TIME, EVALUATE. WE HAVE A HARDWORKING STAFF. THIS STAFF NEEDS TIME TO MAKE THE CHANGES THAT NEED TO BE CHANGED. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. AND DANIEL ANTHONY. OH, DANIEL ANTHONY, PRESIDENT OF THE JONESVILLE PRESERVATION SOCIETY. UH, FIRST OFF, LET ME JUST SAY, UM, I WROTE THIS SPEECH ABOUT A WEEK AGO BECAUSE I KNEW LA THAT THIS WEEK WAS GONNA BE JUST BA I WAS GONNA BE BOMBARDED WITH ALL KINDS OF THINGS. Y'ALL TOO. Y'ALL HAD A BUSY WEEK. UM, SO I TOOK A LITTLE BITE OUT OF THIS, BUT NOT ALL OF IT. OKAY, SO HERE WE GO. GOOD MORNING EVERYONE. MY COMMENTS HERE TODAY ARE NOT MEANT TO OFFEND, BUT THEY ARE MEANT TO GET YOUR ATTENTION. THERE HAS BEEN A LOT OF TALK LATELY ABOUT WHAT DOES HILTON HEAD STAND FOR. WHAT DID PEOPLE THINK WHEN THEY THINK OF HILTON HEAD? WHAT ARE OUR CORE VALUES? THE QUESTION IN ME IS SIMPLE. IT'S HEART. IT'S THE LOVE THAT WE ALL HAVE FOR HILTON HEAD, THE LOVE WE HAVE FOR OUR HOMES. WE HAVE ALL MADE THE DECISION, FOR ONE REASON OR ANOTHER TO MAKE HILTON HEAD OUR HOME. BUT IT, IT REALLY ONLY BOILS DOWN TO ONE THING. WE ALL LOVE THIS ISLAND. WE LOVE THE HISTORY, THE WILDLIFE, THE BEACHES, THE PICTURES, SUNRISES AND SUNSETS, OUR NEIGHBORS AND COMMUNITIES, THE GOD-GIVEN BEAUTY THAT SURROUNDS US. WHATEVER YOUR PASSION IS, THIS ISLAND PROVIDES IT FOR DECADES. THIS ISLAND HAS BEEN SUBJECT TO THE GRE, TO DEVELOPERS, AND WE AS A TOWN HAVE ALLOWED IT TO HAPPEN ALL IN THE NAME OF PROGRESS. WE'VE NOT BEEN GOOD STEWARDS OF WHAT GOD HAS GIVEN US. WE ARE AT A CROSSROADS. WE ARE IN A VERY UNIQUE POSITION. WE CAN TOGETHER CHANGE THE FUTURE OF THIS ISLAND. WE CAN RIGHT THE WRONGS OF PAST ADMINISTRATIONS. WE CAN, IN ONE VOICE DECLARE HILTON HEAD IS NO LONGER UP FOR SALE. I ASK, WHAT SAY YOU, THE ELECTED LEADERS OF THIS ISLAND, WHAT SAY YOU, ARE YOU GOING TO TAKE A BREATH, STEP BACK, REAFFIRM YOUR COMMITMENT TO THE CITIZENS OF THIS ISLAND? THE COMMITMENT. ALL OF YOU HAVE EXPRESSED THE COMMITMENT OF MAKING HILTON HEAD THE ELITE WORLD-CLASS COMMUNITY THAT WE ALL SAY WE WANT IT TO BE. OR ARE YOU GOING TO CONTINUE THE DECADES LONG PRACTICE OUR PROSTITUTE IN HILTON HEAD TO THE HIGHEST BIDDER? THIS IS YOUR TIME, YOUR TIME TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE, YOUR TIME TO TELL EVERYONE, THIS IS OUR HOME. THIS IS OUR ISLAND. THE MORATORIUM WILL GIVE YOU THE BREAK THAT YOU NEED TO BREAK THE STEP BACK, REFLECT, GIVE THOUGHTFUL INSIGHT TO THE DEMANDS OF THIS ISLAND BEFORE GOING FORWARD, BEFORE MAKING ANY MORE MISTAKES. AS [00:30:01] I HAVE SHOWN YOU THROUGH SURVEYS AND COMMENTS, YOU HAVE THE SUPPORT OF THE COMMUNITY. YOU HAVE ALL AT ONE TIME OR ANOTHER. ASKED FOR THE RESIDENTS TO GET INVOLVED, TO COMMUNICATE WITH YOU, TO EXPRESS THEIR CONCERNS. WELL, THEY HAVE RESIDENTS FROM ALL OVER THE ISLAND HAVE EXPRESSED THEIR CONCERNS THROUGH EMAILS, COMMENTS, AND OUR OWN INDEPENDENT STUDY. THE RESULTS OF WHICH YOU HAVE TAKE TIME TO READ THROUGH THIS INFORMATION. ALTHOUGH MY HIGHEST CONCERN IS FOR JONESVILLE, IF YOU STUDY THE INFORMATION WE PROVIDED, YOU WILL SEE THAT THIS IS AN ISLAND WHITE CONCERN. EACH NEIGHBORHOOD, ONE TOWN OFFICIALS TO PROTECT THEM FROM OVERDEVELOPMENT. THIS IS NOT A HARD DECISION. THIS IS SIMPLY CHOOSING TO DO THE RIGHT THING OVER WHAT HAS BECOME THE STATUS QUO. WE ARE BETTER THAN THIS. YOU ARE BETTER THAN THIS. BUT THIS WILL TAKE COURAGE. THIS WILL TAKE STRENGTH. YOU HAVE TO PUSH YOURSELVES BEYOND YOUR COMFORT ZONES. I BELIEVE IN EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU. I BELIEVE YOU ARE ALL GOOD PEOPLE WHO WANT TO DO WHAT'S RIGHT. YOU MUST SEARCH YOUR HEARTS, SEARCH YOUR SOULS, BECAUSE THE DECISIONS YOU MAKE TODAY, WE ALL WILL LIVE WITH THE RESULTS TOMORROW AND FOREVER. YOU MUST DO YOUR DUTY. PROTECT HILTON HEAD, PROTECT THE RESIDENTS. THAT IS YOUR OATH. YOU HAVE ALL HEARD AT VARIOUS TOWN MEETINGS, THE CONCERNS OF THE RESIDENTS OF HILTON HEAD TRAFFIC AND SAFETY BEING AT THE TOP OF THE LIST. YOU ARE ALL ARE, ARE YOU ALL REALLY READY TO GAMBLE THE, ON THE SAFETY AND WELLBEING OF THE RESIDENCE OF THIS ISLAND? SIMPLY BECAUSE YOU MAY BE AFRAID TO OFFEND A DEVELOPER, OR PERHAPS IT'S JUST NOT POLITICALLY BENEFICIAL FOR YOU. WE HAVE ALL EXPERIENCED THE LOSS OF LIFE ON HILTON END BECAUSE OF POOR PLANNING, BECAUSE OF OVERSIGHT. WHEN WE FAIL TO PLAN, WE PLAN TO FAIL. WE NEED TO BE PROACTIVE, NOT REACTIVE. PLEASE, FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, LET'S MAKE THIS ISLAND A SAFE AND SECURE COMMUNITY FOR EVERYONE, RESIDENTS AND VISITORS ALIKE. A PLACE WHERE WE ALL CAN BE PROUD OF A BEACON OF LIGHT THAT THE WHOLE WORLD CAN SEE AND ENVY. BUT IN ORDER TO DO THAT, WE MUST GATHER ALL THE INFORMATION SAYS YOU CAN MAKE A SOUND AND SECURE DECISION BEFORE MOVING FORWARD. WE, THE RESIDENTS HAVE GIVEN YOU OUR INSIGHT. WE ARE STILL WAITING FOR THE TRAFFIC ANALYSIS AND THE DISTRICT ANALYSIS TO BE COMPLETED. YOU CANNOT MAKE A SOUND JUDGMENT WITHOUT THESE TWO ITEMS AND MORE DISCUSSION ABOUT THE RESULTS. SO I ASK YOU AGAIN, PLEASE INSTITUTE THE MORATORIUM BEFORE IT'S TOO LATE. THANKS. THANK YOU, MR. ANTHONY. I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR MY COLLEAGUES TO BE ABLE TO ALSO SAY IN A BRIEF WORD OR TWO, BECAUSE WE'RE INTO THE INTEREST OF TIME, WHAT THEY THINK ABOUT THIS. GLENN, FIRST OF ALL, I WANNA SAY I APPRECIATE YOU BEING HERE. I APPRECIATE YOUR SHARING YOUR SINCERE CONCERNS. I FEEL THOSE CONCERNS. WE SPENT THE LAST TWO DAYS IN STRATEGIC PLANNING. NUMBER ONE ITEM IS TO AMEND THE LMO AND TO COME UP WITH MANAGEMENT OF CONTROL, OF DEVELOPMENT ON THIS ISLAND. I WILL SUPPORT THAT AND WE ARE PREPARED TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT. SO THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. MS. BRYSON? YES, CHAIR. THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY OF SPEAKING ABOUT THIS. UH, I TOOK MY OATH OF OFFICE ON DECEMBER 6TH. SHORTLY THEREAFTER, I RECEIVED LOTS OF EMAILS ABOUT THE JONESVILLE AREA. SO I DROVE OUT THERE MYSELF TO SEE WHAT WAS HAPPENING. I ALSO LOOKED AT THE SUBDIVISION PLANS THAT WERE BEING CONSIDERED. UM, AND THEN, UH, THANKS TO MR. ANTHONY AND DR. LEBLANC, UM, I GOT A TOUR ON A GOLF CART, WHICH GIVES YOU A MORE UPFRONT AND, AND PERSONAL, UH, VIEW OF THE JONESVILLE AREA. SO I SHARE YOUR CONCERNS. I HEAR YOU. WE HAVE BEEN PRESSING ON THE TOWN MANAGER AND STAFF TO HELP FIND RESOLUTIONS. I REALLY APPRECIATE THE REPORT THAT MR. COLE GAVE US TODAY. UM, HE GAVE A LOT OF INFORMATION OUT . SO, UM, AND, AND, AND I HOPE THAT YOU PICKED UP ON SOME OF THE KEY THINGS, UH, CERTAINLY THE DISTRICT PLAN FOR JONESVILLE. UM, AND, AND PERHAPS, UH, IF THERE'S TIME, MR. CHAIR, HE COULD GIVE JUST A THUMBNAIL VIEW OF WHAT A DISTRICT PLAN IS LIKE. UM, NOT A, NOT A DETAILED DESCRIPTION, BUT JUST, YOU KNOW, LIKE A COUPLE OF SENTENCES SO THAT YOU KNOW WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. IN ADDITION, ONE OF THE THINGS HE TALKED ABOUT WAS NOTICE ABOUT WHAT'S GONNA BE HAPPENING IN THE JONESVILLE AREA. I'VE HEARD THAT. I AGREE WITH IT. I'M HOPING THAT IN OUR L M O AMENDMENTS WILL INCLUDE SOME STRONGER NOTICE PROVISIONS FOR THE [00:35:01] PUBLIC. UM, IN ADDITION, UH, THE LMO AMENDMENTS AND THE SCHEDULE, THE ACCELERATION. I'VE BEEN PUMPING THE GAS ON THIS , I, I PLEAD GUILTY TO THAT. UM, AND I'M SO GRATEFUL THAT THE STAFF HAS HURT US, AND THAT THEY HAVE, UM, A 60 TO 90 DAY PLAN FOR SOME CODE REVISIONS. IT WILL TAKE A LITTLE BIT OF TIME TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION, BEFORE IN THE PUBLIC PLANNING COMMITTEE, AND THEN THE, UH, TOWN COUNCIL. SO, BEAR WITH US. WE ARE PRESSING THE GAS AS FAST AS WE CAN ON THAT. UM, AND WHAT I WILL TELL YOU, UM, IS, IS THAT WHEN I, I LOOK AT DECISIONS ABOUT WHAT IS COMING BEFORE TOWN COUNCIL, I THOUGHT IT MIGHT BE HELPFUL TO DEVELOP A SET OF STANDARDS OR QUALIFICATIONS IN MAKING MY DECISIONS. SO ALL OF THESE ARE EQUAL, UH, CONSIDERATION IN MY BOOK. HERE'S MY FIVE PART STANDARD. FIRST OF ALL, HOW DOES IT AFFECT THE SAFETY OF RESIDENTS, WORKFORCE, AND VISITORS TO THE ISLAND? SECONDLY, AND AGAIN, THESE ARE EQUAL IN MY VIEW. DOES IT HAVE RESPECT FOR AND PROTECTION OF THE NATURAL ENVIRONMENT? THIRDLY, DOES IT PROVIDE FOR STEWARDSHIP OF ALL OUR RESOURCES, FINANCIAL, LAND, FRESHWATER, NATURAL WATERS? FOURTHLY, HOW DOES IT IMPACT THE QUALITY OF LIFE OF ALL OUR INHABITANTS? THANK YOU, MS. BRYSON AND AND FIFTHLY, DOES IT PROVIDE RESPECT FOR AND PROTECTION OF HERITAGE, ESPECIALLY THE NATIVE ISLANDERS, THE GULLAH HERITAGE ON THIS ISLAND? THOSE ARE MY STANDARDS, AND THAT IS WHAT I'LL APPLY IN DOING MY BEST TO MOVE FORWARD OUR CONCERNS ABOUT GROWTH MANAGEMENT ON THIS ISLAND. WELL SAID. THANK YOU, MS. BECKER. THANK YOU ALL SO MUCH FOR BEING HERE. WHEN I LOOK OUT, I SEE HOW GOVERNMENT WORKS. IT'S BECAUSE OF YOU THAT WE SIT HERE AND IT'S OUR RESPONSIBILITY AND OUR DUTIES TO LOOK OUT AND TO REFLECT YOUR WISHES IN OUR ACTIONS TO THE VERY BEST OF OUR ABILITIES. I WAS ONE OF YOU SITTING IN THAT SEAT EIGHT YEARS AGO WHEN MY NEIGHBORHOOD WAS ALSO IMPACTED BY MANY OF THE THINGS THAT YOU'RE HERE ABOUT TODAY. IT'S NOT ACADEMIC FOR ME, IT'S REAL. I WILL SAY THAT WE HAVE HAD SUCCESSES IN PROGRESSING THROUGH THE LMO IN MAKING CHANGES, BUT THIS IS THE FIRST TIME, AND I COMMEND MY COUNCIL MEMBERS, OUR TOWN MANAGER, AND OUR STAFF FOR MOVING WITH US QUICKLY. NOW, CUZ THIS IS THE FIRST TIME THIS HAS BEEN A PRIORITY TO UNDERSTAND THAT WHAT IS HAPPENING ON HILTON HEAD IS NOT CONSISTENT WITH WHAT OUR VISION OF HILTON HEAD WAS INTENDED. THE LIVES THAT HAVE BEEN IMPACTED ARE YOURS. IT'S MINE AND IT'S ACROSS THE ISLAND. I'VE READ THE SURVEY RESPONSES AND MY HEART ACHES. WHEN I WAS FIRST CONTACTED BY, UH, BOB AND DUCHESS, AND THEY SAID THEY HAD NO IDEA WHAT WAS HAPPENING. MY HEART ACHED BECAUSE AS IT HAPPENED TO US, WE HAD NO IDEA, AND WE WERE NOT AS WELL ORGANIZED AS YOU ARE. BUT WE GOT ORGANIZED AND WE MADE A DIFFERENCE. WE'RE STILL, WE STILL HAVE CHALLENGES IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. THERE ARE STILL STILL CHALLENGES THE SOUTH END TO THE NORTH END AND IN THE MID-SECTION. I'M HERE TODAY TO TELL YOU THAT YES, I KNOW THAT THE STATEMENT HAS BEEN MADE, THAT WE ARE IN THE PROGRESS PROCESS AND WE ARE MOVING WITH ALL DUE DILIGENCE AND SPEED TO MAKE IT HAPPEN. I'M CONCERNED ABOUT WHAT HAPPENS BETWEEN NOW IN THAT 90 DAYS. IF I HAD MY DRUTHERS, I WOULD NOT ONLY TAKE A BREATH AND WORK AS I WORKED QUICKLY, BUT I'D STOP AND I'D MAKE SURE THAT NOTHING HAPPENED BETWEEN NOW AND WHEN WE HAVE REGROUPED AND PUT RESIDENTS FIRST, HONESTLY PUT RESIDENTS FIRST IN THIS COMMUNITY FIRST AND BUILT THE TYPE OF ISLAND THAT WE ALL MOVED HERE BELIEVING WE WERE MOVING TO. I WILL DO EVERYTHING I POSSIBLY CAN TO SUPPORT YOU AND TO MAKE IT HAPPEN AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE, AND MAKE SURE THAT NO FURTHER DAMAGE IS DONE ACROSS THIS ISLAND. IT'S WHY I'M HERE. I HOPE THAT'S WHY I WAS SENT HERE. I BELIEVE IT IS, AND YOU HAVE MY PROMISE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MS. BECKER. THAT [00:40:01] IS THE CONCLUSION OF OUR DISCUSSION TODAY ON THE JONESVILLE SITUATION AND THE TOWN'S PLANS GOING FORWARD. AGAIN, AGAIN, WANT TO EMPHASIZE THAT THIS IS A SINCERE PRIORITY WITH THE TOWN COUNCIL AND STAFF, AND I THINK YOU CAN COUNT ON THE STAFF'S CONSTANT COMMUNICATION WITH YOU AND ALSO THE COUNCIL'S ATTENTION TO YOUR ISSUES. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR COMING. IF YOU DON'T INTEND TO STAY, PLEASE EXIT THE ROOM AS QUIETLY AND QUICKLY AS YOU CAN BECAUSE WE HAVE AGENDA ITEMS TO FOLLOW. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU, SIR. THANK, THANK YOU. I'M GLAD YOU WERE HERE. I'M SORRY. YOU GOT IT. YOU HEARD OUR PROMISE. PLEASE EXIT THE ROOM AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. GOOD. SOME YOUN. KEEP WORKING ON IT. OKAY. OKAY. OKAY. NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS NEW BUSINESS. THE FIRST ITEM IS A CONSIDERATION OF THE PROPOSED AMENDMENTS FOR THE LAND MANAGEMENT ORDINANCE FOR THE TOWN OF HILTON HEAD ISLAND. IS THERE A STAFF REPORT? YEAH. YES, THERE IS. CHAIRMAN. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THIS ONE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. UH, WE'D LIKE TO BRING FORWARD TODAY, UH, SOME PROPOSED, UH, LMO INITIAL, UH, AMENDMENTS THAT YOU GUYS I THINK ARE AWARE OF. UM, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY WE'RE RAMPING UP TO GET A SERIES OF THESE TO YOU, BUT TODAY'S, LET'S GET STARTED WITH SOME. BRIAN. IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THIS COMMITTEE FIRST SAW THESE AMENDMENTS AS PROPOSED IN A LIST OF PRIORITIES PREVIOUSLY. PREVIOUSLY, AND THAT WE HAVE ALSO REVIEWED IT, UH, IN MORE DETAIL SUBSEQUENTLY. AND THIS IS WHAT WE HOPE TO BE A, UH, AN APPROVAL TO SEND IT ON TO COUNSEL. IS THAT CORRECT? THAT IS CORRECT. THANK YOU. YES, SIR. THIS WAS PART OF A BIGGER SET. THESE HAVE BEEN DRAFTED OR READY FOR REVIEW AND CONSIDERATION TO SEND OUT A COUNCIL. UM, HOPEFULLY CAN CLEAR A FEW OF THESE FROM THE DECK SO THAT WHEN WE COME BACK WE'LL DO THE NEXT BATCH. UM, WE'RE NOT OVERWHELMED. THANK YOU. YES, SIR. SO ONE OF THE FIRST ONES THAT ARE, THAT IS BEFORE YOU, DO YOU WANT ME TO GO THROUGH THESE LINE BY LINE? WELL, IS THAT I KNOW YOU'RE AWARE. I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR EACH MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC PLANNING COMMITTEE TO WEIGH IN ON ANY ISSUE THAT THEY HAVE A, UH, UM, A QUESTION REGARDING. SO, UM, YOU DON'T HAVE TO GO BY LINE ITEM BY LINE ITEM, BUT I DO THINK YOU OUGHT TO HIGHLIGHT WHAT WHAT IS PROPOSED IN THE ORDINANCE. OKAY. SO THE PUBLIC KNOWS, WELL, THE FIRST IS ON EXHIBIT A IS DEALING WITH STAFF WAIVERS. THIS WAS A PROCESS WHERE TOWN STAFF WAS ABLE TO ISSUE, UH, WAIVERS FROM THE LMO FOR ON, CONCERNING A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT ITEMS. AND SO WE'RE, WE'RE ASKING YOU AT THIS TIME TO [00:45:01] REMOVE THAT ABILITY FROM STAFF TO GRANT THESE WAIVERS AND INSTEAD, UH, PRES HAVE THESE CONSIDERED AS VARIANCES THAT SHALL GO BEFORE OUR BZA, UM, IN INSTEAD. OKAY. IS THERE ANY QUESTION ON THAT IN THAT REGARD FROM YOU, MS. BECKER? NO, SIR. YES, SIR. UM, I'M SORRY, I DIDN'T CATCH YOUR LAST NAME. BRIAN EBER EBER. MR. EBER. UM, AS THE FORMER CHAIR OR THE BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS BZA, UH, I RECALL THIS COMING BEFORE US. UH, EVERY MONTH WE WOULD RECEIVE A REPORT FROM STAFF ABOUT THE WAIVERS THAT STAFF HAD GRANTED. AND, UH, WE DEVELOPED, THE BOARD DEVELOPED A CONCERN ABOUT THAT AND ASKED FOR STAFF TO MAKE A REPORT ON THAT. UM, AND THEN THE, THE RESPONSE WHICH WE APPRECIATED, UM, AT THE TIME AS WHEN I SERVED ON THE VCA, UM, IT'S GREAT THAT, UH, WE WERE TAKING A CAREFUL LOOK AT THAT, BUT THE VCA WAS CONCERNED ABOUT HOW MANY MORE CASES THEY OUT HERE AS A RESULT. UM, SO WE ASKED THE STAFF TO GO BACK AND TAKE A LOOK AT THAT. UM, AND, UM, UH, AND THAT MS. DIXON MADE A REPORT AND IT LOOKED AS THOUGH BECAUSE OF, UH, UH, NONCONFORMITIES ADDRESSING NONCONFORMITIES REMAIN, UM, IN THE LMO THAT THE IMPACT ON THE NUMBER OF VARIANCES THAT THE BZA MIGHT CONSIDER WOULD BE LESS THAN FEARED AT FIRST. UM, AND I DON'T KNOW ANYONE TO SAY ANYTHING ELSE ABOUT THAT, BUT I, I WANT TO SEND A MESSAGE BACK TO MY, UH, FORMER BZA COLLEAGUES, UH, THAT AS I SIT NOW, I'M, I'M STILL LISTENING ABOUT THAT MM-HMM. . UM, BUT I BELIEVE THE BZA FELT MORE COMFORT, UH, BASED ON THAT STAFF REPORT. UM, AND, UM, UH, I, I'M GLAD TO SEE THIS MOVING FORWARD. UM, I WILL CERTAINLY SUPPORT THE CHANGE. UM, AND I HOPE THAT THE BZA WILL CONTINUE TO COMMUNICATE WITH US IF THEY SEE ANY ISSUES IN THIS OR ANYTHING ELSE WITH REGARD TO THE LM O AND I DIDN'T KNOW THEIR STAFF WANTS TO ADD TO THAT. UM, I SEE MS. LLOYD STANDING UP WHO USED TO STAFF THE BZA. SHE'S USED TO ME ASKING QUESTIONS, . UM, SOMETIMES I'D PUT HER ON THE SPOT, PERHAPS I DID TODAY, BUT I TRY TO GIVE HER A LITTLE WARNINGS. THANKS, MS. BRYSON. UM, I HAVE THE STAFF REPORT THAT MS. DIXON PREPARED FOR THE BCA, AND THERE WAS A SUMMARY OF HOW MANY WAIVERS HAD, UM, STAFF HAD APPROVED, UM, WITHIN A TIME PERIOD BETWEEN JUNE OF 2020 AND JULY OF 2022. AND THERE WERE 34 STAFF WAIVERS THAT WERE ISSUED. 20 OF THOSE WERE FOR SUBSTITUTIONS OF NONCONFORMITIES, WHICH IS NOT, AGAIN, BEING PROPOSED TO BE REMOVED. UM, AND THEN OF THOSE, UM, UH, 14 DID NOT DEAL WITH FULLY WITH NONCONFORMITIES. UM, AND THEN, UH, FIVE OF THOSE 14 THAT REMAINED WOULD HAVE TO GO, UH, FOR A VARIANCE TO THE BZA. SO THAT PERTAINS TO THE VOLUME, UM, CONCERN THAT THE BCA HAD, AND IT, UM, LIKELY WON'T BE A HUGE INCREASE IN CASELOAD TO THE BCA. THANK YOU. AND, AND, UH, CERTAINLY SUPPORT THE CHANGE. THANK YOU. GLENN, ANYTHING TO YES, AND I THINK THIS IS WHAT I'D LIKE TO SAY IS WE HAVE A NUMBER OF ITEMS. SO TO THE DEGREE WE CAN KEEP OUR ANSWERS TO YES OR NO, OR A QUESTION, I WOULD, IT'S HARD FOR A RECOVERING LAWYER TO DO THAT, MR. CHAIR. THAT'S WHY I WILL DO THE BEST THAT I CAN . IN ANY EVENT, I SEE THIS AS A PROPER CORRECTION OF THE L O UH, THE NUMBER OF WAIVERS IS OF CONCERN. I'M NOT SAYING THEY WERE ABUSES. I'M NOT SAYING THEY WERE NECESSARILY ERRONEOUS, BUT WE DO HAVE OTHER PROCESSES THERE TO CREATE WAIVERS, TO CREATE EXCEPTIONS, UH, AND SO FORTH. AND I PREFER TO SEE THOSE PROCESSES FOLLOWED. SO I SUPPORT THIS AS WELL WITHOUT OBJECTION. LET'S MOVE TO THE NEXT ONE, MR. CHAIRMAN OF THE PUBLIC? NO. UM, CAN WE, CAN WE DO IT AT THE END CHAT? YES. THANK YOU. SO THE NEXT PROPOSED AMENDMENT, UH, WILL ALLOW VARIANCES FROM ALL SECTIONS OF THE LMO, UH, OTHER THAN USE DENSITY AND HEIGHT, THE NEXT PROPOSED LMO. ANY QUESTIONS? YEAH. IS THERE ANYTHING ON THAT ONE? OKAY, GO AHEAD. OKAY. THE NEXT AMENDMENT, UH, WILL ALLOW OUTDOOR SCREENED BIKE STORAGE IN THE TWO DISTRICTS THAT THE TOWN HAS, BOTH THE LC AND THE CC ZONING DISTRICTS TO BRI, WHICH WILL ALSO ALLOW FOR MORE SPECIFICITY AS IT RELATES TO SCREENING FOR THE BICYCLES THAT ARE STORED, STORED ON SITE. UH, MR. CHAIR, I'LL JUST JUMP IN QUICKLY. THIS WAS RECOMMENDED BY THE BZA, CORRECT. AND I SUPPORT IT. THANK YOU. OKAY. ANY OTHER COMMENTS ON THIS ONE, GLENN? TAMMY? NOT AT THIS TIME. I BELIEVE THAT WE CAN MOVE ON. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. GO AHEAD. THE NEXT AMENDMENT, UH, IS SEEKING TO CLARIFY THE MAN, THE DEFINITION OF MANUFACTURED USE CLASSIFICATION [00:50:01] AS IT RELATES TO THE SIZE AND TYPE OF A BREWERY. WHAT MAKES IT A MANUFACTURED USE VERSUS A BAR OR EATING ESTABLISHMENT. AND AGAIN, I BELIEVE THIS IS A RECOMMENDATION FROM THE PCA AS WELL. YEAH. AND AGAIN, THE, THIS COMMITTEE HAS BEEN HEARING THESE ISSUES NOW FOR SEVERAL MONTHS. SO, UH, WITHOUT OBJECTION, WE CAN MOVE TO THE NEXT ONE. YES. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THE NEXT AMENDMENT, UM, IS REPLACING THE, UH, INSTEAD OF USING JUNE TRAFFIC COUNTS, INSTEAD OF GOING WITH JULY TRAFFIC COUNTS. THIS IS AN EFFORT TO PROVIDE BETTER DATA FOR TRAFFIC DECISION, DATA DRIVEN DECISIONS. AGAIN, UH, WITHOUT OBJECTION. THANK YOU. THIS NEXT AMENDMENT, UH, IS A CHANGE. K KIND OF LIKE A CHANGE WHEN THE PLANTINGS ARE DONE AS PART OF A SUBDIVISION OR A LMO, UH, DEVELOPMENT PLAN REVIEW. UH, I THINK, UH, JUST SO THE PUBLIC UNDERSTANDS WHAT THIS IS, UM, SURE. THERE'S A, WELL, WHY DON'T YOU EXPLAIN IT'S FROM YEAH. SO, SO WHAT THIS WILL AFFORD THE, THE TOWN IS, IS A MECHANISM TO ENSURE FINANCIALLY THAT THE, THE PLANTS THAT WERE PLANNED AND APPROVED ACTUALLY GET, ARE, GET OFF TO A GOOD START. THEY CAN MATURE AND GROW HEALTHY. AND IT'S THE FINANCIAL, UH, BURDEN IS BEING PUSHED NOW ONTO THE DEVELOPER TO MAKE THIS HAPPEN. BUT THERE'S ALSO THE OTHER SIDE OF IT. WE USED TO REQUIRE THE PLANTS TO GO IN EARLY. YES. AND THEY WERE DESTROYED BY CONSTRUCTION. AND THIS CORRECTS THAT RIGHT. TO ALLOW, YEAH. THIS ALLOWS THEM TO SHIFT THAT TO A LATER DATE WHEN IT'S MORE APPROPRIATE TO PLANT. THANK YOU. THIS IS A WIN-WIN. IT IS, YES, MA'AM. THIS IS COMMON SENSE . YES, I AGREE. AS MY MAMA SAID, DON'T PLANT THAT THIS TIME OF YEAR, PATSY. IT'S NOT GONNA GROW . SO IN LIEU THEREOF, A PERFORMANCE GUARANTEE UNTIL THE PLANTING IS DONE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. WITHOUT OBJECTION. GO AHEAD. THE NEXT AMENDMENT DEALS WITH, UH, SIGN UPDATES IS THIS IS KIND OF THE MODERNIZATION OF HOW SIGNS ARE COMING INTO BEING TODAY VERSUS WHEN YOU WENT OUT THERE BY HAND AND CHANGED THINGS TO WHERE IT'S MORE, UH, OF A, UH, ELECTRONIC, UH, SITUATION FOR SIGNS. GIVE AN EXAMPLE, PLEASE. UH, THESE CHANGEABLE SIGNS, AS WE KNOW IN THE, LIKE FOR GAS, FOR EXAMPLE, GASOLINE, UM, THE GAS STORES PRICES ARE FLUCTUATING QUITE OFTEN. SO THIS ALLOWS FOR THE CHANGE OF YOUR SIGN NO MORE THAN TWICE DAILY. SO IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT'S ROLLING AND SCROLLING AND, AND CHANGING ALL THE TIME. THIS IS A TWICE DAILY CHANGE THAT CAN BE DONE ELECTRONICALLY. AND, AND I THINK A CLARIFICATION THAT WAS NEEDED THROUGHOUT THESE DISCUSSIONS WAS, THIS DOES NOT MEAN THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE A BACK LIT LIGHT. THERE'S NO LIGHTING, THERE'S NOTHING ALONG THOSE LINES. SO THAT WOULD HAD BEEN CLARIFIED. I JUST WANNA, I'M NOT SURE, SEAN, IF THAT'S BECK. YOU READ MY MIND. YEAH. YEAH. THE, THE SIGNS LOOK EXACTLY LIKE AN ANALOG. UM, A LOT OF THIS HAS TO DO WITH STAFFING AND SOME OF THESE, UH, ENTERPRISE ONLY HAVE A STAFF OR TWO. SO FOR SOMEONE TO GO OUT AND CHANGE WITH THE OLD LITTLE SUCTION CUFF AND POLE ON HIGH ONES THAT WE HAVE MONUMENTS, IT ALLOWS A, A MECHANISM TO BE CHANGED FROM INSIDE. IT FLIPS THE PRICE. IT LOOKS LIKE ANALOG. SO NO, IT DOES NOT LOOK A BACK LIP. SO THANK YOU. ANY OTHER COMMENTS? THIS CASE CAME UP, UH, BEFORE THE DRB, UH, INVOLVING THE MCDONALD'S REVISION. AND I CAME TO UNDERSTAND THAT ALL THIS DID WAS IT ALLOWS THEM TO CHANGE THE PRICE ON AN ITEM OR THE LISTING OF AN ITEM ON THEIR ELECTRIC ELECTRONIC, UH, MENU. UH, THAT'S ALL, RATHER THAN HAVE SOMEONE GO OUT AND CHANGE IT MECHANICALLY. YEAH. IT'S, IT'S A, IT'S THE, JUST A MODERNIZATION OF OUR S YEAH. WHICH IS REALLY WHAT WE'RE, WE'RE GOING HERE. I SUPPORT THIS WITHOUT OBJECTION. GO AHEAD. THIS NEXT AMENDMENT, UH, AMENDS THE, THE REMAINING SECTIONS OF THE CODE THAT WERE KIND OF MISSED WHEN WE DID OUR BIG, UH, FLOODPLAIN MAPPING UPDATE, UH, A COUPLE YEARS AGO. SO THIS, THIS IS REGARDS TO MEASUREMENT, HOW IT'S MEASURED, HOW THINGS ARE MEASURED FOR FLOOD ZONE, AND JUST CLARIFY THE REMAINING LMO SECTIONS THAT NEED TO BE AMENDED. UM, HEIGHT IS AN ISSUE IN THE COMMUNITY AND IN OUR CONVERSATIONS TODAY, DOES THIS ACTUALLY CHANGE THE HEIGHT OF A BUILDING OR IT'S HOW WE CALCULATE IT? I WOULD SAY NOT OVERALL. IT'S IN RELATIONSHIP. WE USED TO BASE EVERYTHING ON THE BASE FLOOD ELEVATION. YEAH. BOY, GET MY EXERCISE TODAY. SO IT'S GREAT. YEAH. IT DOESN'T REALLY CHANGE THE WAY WE MEASURE IT. UM, WHEN WE DID THE FEMA MAP UPDATES A, A YEAR OR SO AGO, UM, WE CHANGED THE, THE BASELINE ELEVATION'S CHANGED HERE, AND WE MADE SURE THERE WAS PROTECTION FOR RESIDENTIAL NON-RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT. UM, WHEN YOU'RE NOT IN A FLOOD ZONE, THE YOU, [00:55:01] YOU MEASURE FROM EXISTING GRADE, AND WE'RE JUST MAKING SURE THAT THAT'S CLARIFIED. UM, AND SO WE'RE JUST MAKING SURE THE ALAMO IS CONSISTENT WITH THE FLOOD CONTROL. THANK YOU. ANY FURTHER COMMENTS ON THAT? NO, NO. WITHOUT OBJECTION TO MOVE ON TO THE NEXT ONE. THANK YOU, BRIAN. THIS NEXT AMENDMENT DEALS WITH, I, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO POINT OUT THESE ARE EXISTING MINOR SUBDIVISIONS. AND THE, THE GOAL OF THIS IS TO, UM, ALLOW FOR BETTER COMMUNICATION AND A BETTER PROCESS FOR THOSE PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN EXISTING SUBDIVISION WHEN MINOR, UH, CHANGES, UM, ARE, ARE DONE. AND THAT'S NOT CLEAR TO ME. IT MAY NOT BE CLEAR TO THE PUBLIC. UM, WHAT IS A MINOR SUBDIVISION AND HOW DOES THIS IMPACT THE PEOPLE AROUND THOSE MINOR SUBDIVISION OR WITHIN IT OR WHAT SEAN? SORRY, SEAN. THERE CHAIRS UP FRONT. THERE'S CHAIRS UP HERE THAT YOU'RE WELCOME TO USE. YEAH. THIS ONE, IT'S REALLY, UM, MORE ADMINISTRATIVE, UM, OWNER'S CONSENTS REQUIRED FOR ALL OTHER APPLICATIONS, BUT FOR SOME REASON IT WAS NOT LISTED FOR MINOR SUBDIVISIONS. MINOR SUBDIVISIONS ARE SUBDIVISIONS THAT ARE FIVE OR LESS. UM, AND SO HAVING AN OWNER'S CONSENT RIGHT, IS AN IMPORTANT PIECE TO MAKE SURE WE'RE PROCESSING AN AGREEMENT WITH THE OWNER. SO THANK YOU. WITHOUT OBJECTION. UH, MR. CHAIR. SO I THINK THE BOTTOM LINE HERE IS THIS DOES NOT, UH, AFFECT THE SUBDIVISIONS UNDER CONSIDERATION IN JONESVILLE N NO, NOT AT ALL. THANK YOU. WITHOUT OBJECTION. GO AHEAD, BRIAN. AGAIN, THIS ONE IS ANOTHER ONE THAT IS, UM, PROVIDES STANDARDS FOR, UH, PREVIOUSLY PLATTED SUBDIVISIONS WHERE PROPER NOTIFICATION AND PROCESS AND TO THE EXISTING RESIDENCE WITHIN THE SUBDIVISIONS. AGAIN, THIS IS A MINOR SUBDIVISION, BUT I, I, I, AGAIN, I WANT THE, THE PUBLIC TO UNDERSTAND WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE. YEAH. SO IF, UH, UH, IF YOU'RE, IF YOU HAVE A PREVIOUSLY PLOTTED SUBDIVISION AND YOU ARE MODIFYING THE LOCK CONFIGURATIONS TO INCREASE THE DENSITY BEYOND THE ORIGINAL APPROVAL, THERE IS A SET OF CRITERIA, UM, AND A PROCESS THAT THIS GOES BACK BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO REVIEW AND MAKE SURE IT DOESN'T INCREASE THE IMPACT. UM, THERE'S A CORRECT INFRASTRUCTURE AND OTHER PROVISIONS. SO THERE'S A LIST OF CRITERIA THAT ARE PART OF THAT EVALUATION. AND SO IF IT FORCES THAT BACK TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO MAKE SURE THERE'S CONCURRENCE ABOUT INCREASING DENSITY THROUGH REPLA OF THESE PREVIOUSLY PLANTED SUBDIVISIONS. SO THE GOAL IS TO PROTECT THE RESIDENTS OF THE EXISTING SUBDIVISION, RIGHT? SO IT GOES TO DAYLIGHT. IT WILL BE AT A PUBLIC MEETING AT PLANNING COMMISSION, AND IF THE PLANNING COMMISSION THINKS IT MEETS THE CRITERIA, THEY'LL MAKE A RECOMMENDATION THAT IT BE APPROVED. OKAY. ANY COMMENT ON THAT ONE? THANK YOU. THAT'S THE LIST AS I HAVE IT. AM I CORRECT IN THAT? YES, YOUR HONOR. I'D LIKE TO HAVE A MOTION AND THEN WE'LL HEAR PUBLIC COMMENT. MR. CHAIRMAN, I WOULD MOVE THAT WE RECOMMEND ALL OF THESE CHANGES FORWARD FOR APPROVAL BY THE TOWN COUNCIL. YES, SIR. ONE SECOND. THERE'S A SECOND. CALL THE ROLL, PLEASE. I THINK HE WANTS TO COMMENT. OH, I, IF I'M VERY SORRY. YES, OF COURSE. I ALMOST GOT IT. CHAD, THANK YOU. I'M CHESTER WILLIAMS. UM, THE ONLY ISSUE I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT YOU'RE ALL AWARE OF IS WITH RESPECT TO THE FIRST ONE, REMOVAL OF THE WAIVERS, UM, IT MAY NOT SUBSTANTIALLY INCREASE THE WORK OF THE B C, BUT IT DEFINITELY WILL INCREASE THE WORK OF THE BCA. BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY, IT'S GOING TO COMPLICATE THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS OFTEN FOR SMALL DEVELOP, SINGLE FAMILY DEVELOPMENT, THAT SORT OF THING. AND IT'S, YOU KNOW, THE, THE RECOMMENDATION SAYS IT'S MORE APPROPRIATE FOR ANY WAIVERS, FOR VARYING FROM THE CODE TO GO TO THE B Z A. I MEAN, THE WAIVERS HAVE BEEN IN THE CODE FOR YEARS. UM, THEY'RE FAIRLY MINOR AND THEY HELP DEVELOPMENT OFTEN IN THE NATIVE ISLAND COMMUNITIES, AND THEY'RE ALL GONNA HAVE TO GO TO THE BZA. IT'S GONNA COMPLICATE THINGS OR, AND I, I THINK YOU JUST SORT OF THINK ABOUT THAT TWICE BEFORE YOU MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. CHAD. ARE THERE OTHER PUBLIC COMMENTS? ANY FINAL COMMENTS BY PUBLIC PLANNING COMMITTEE SEDA, PLEASE CALL THE ROLL OR THE MOTION, MS. BRYSON FOR THE MOTION. MS. BECKER? YES, MR. YES. THANK YOU. PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. THANK YOU, BRIAN. THANK YOU. NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS THE CONSIDERATION OF REPORT PROPOSED ORDINANCE TO AMEND THE LAND MANAGEMENT ORDINANCE [01:00:01] TO CREATE A NEW USE CALLED ISLANDER MIXED USE WITHIN THE SEA PINES CIRCLE DISTRICT. AND I BELIEVE WE'LL HAVE A STAFF PRESENTATION AND THEN THE GENTLEMAN, THE OPPORTUNITY FOR THE APPLICANT TO ADDRESS THE PUBLIC PLANNING COMMITTEE. AND THEN, UM, IF I COULD, UH, BEFORE WE START ON THE NEXT AGENDA ITEM, UH, WE HAD SENT, UM, SOME ADDITIONAL PROPOSED GENERAL ALAMO AMENDMENTS, UM, PERTAINING TO TWO DEFINITIONS AS WELL AS, UH, AN ACCESSORY USE PROVISION. UM, THEY WERE PROPOSING, UM, CHANGING DEFINITIONS FOR MULTI-FAMILY, SINGLE FAMILY, AND THE ELIMINATION OF DIVISIBLE DWELLING UNITS. AND IF THE PUBLIC PLANNING COMMITTEE CHOOSES, UM, WE COULD SEND THOSE BACK TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION, UM, FOR A PUBLIC HEARING AND THEN BRING THEM BACK, UH, FOR FULL CONSIDERATION. I DON'T WANT TO TAKE A LOT OF TIME, BUT I DO THINK YOU SHOULD HEAR OPINIONS OF THE PUBLIC PLANNING COMMITTEE. OKAY, MS. BECKER? YES. IT'S, IT'S SO FAR . IT'S, YOU KNOW, AS I'VE READ THEM, AND I'M SORRY, I KNOW THAT YOU'RE, YOU WANTED ONE WORD ANSWERS, AND SO I WAS TRYING TO BE AS QUICK AS POSSIBLE, BUT I CAN MAKE IT LONGER. UM, AS I, UM, KNOW THE LAND MANAGEMENT ORDINANCE AND I KNOW THE RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS ON THE ISLAND, THERE'S IN CONFLICT THERE WITH EXPECTATIONS AND WITH PROPER LAND USE. AND I THINK THIS CHANGE CORRECTS THAT, AND IT SHOULD BE DONE WITH ALL SPEED. OKAY. I HAVE NO OBJECTION. I HAVE NO OBJECTION TO PROCESS. I AGREE THAT WE NEED TO TAKE A LOOK AT THESE. OKAY. OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. OH, DISCUSSING IN THE PACKET THAT WAS DISTRIBUTED. NO, IT WAS NOT. AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE JUST PASSING IT BACK TO THE PUBLIC PLAN, UH, PLANNING. COMMISSIONER, MR. CHAIR, I THINK IT MIGHT BE HELPFUL TO JUST, IF I CAN READ THE SUMMARY, IF I'VE GOT THE RIGHT ONE. MS. LUK, YOU CAN TELL ME. IT SAYS, THE PREPARED AMENDMENT PROPOSES MODIFICATIONS TO SINGLE FAMILY AND MULTI-FAMILY DEFINITIONS AND ELIMINATES TO VISIBLE DWELLING UNITS, PRINCESS, COMMONLY REFERRED TO AS LOCKOUT UNITS. CLOSE PRINCESS. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. AM I RIGHT? THAT'S CORRECT. THANK YOU. BUT THERE'S ALSO THE DISCUSSION THAT WE WERE GOING TO HAVE THE DEFINITION OF SINGLE FAMILY AND WHAT THAT MEANT ON A SINGLE LOT. IS THAT CORRECT? YEAH, I, I THINK THAT'S WHAT THE SUMMARY WAS MEANT TO INCLUDE IF IT DIDN'T RIGHT. THAT'S CORRECT. MAYBE ANOTHER PRINCESS WOULD'VE HELPED. I DON'T KNOW. YES. WE'LL GET YOU A COPY. DO YOU NEED A MOTION OR IS THAT WE'RE JUST NO, NO. I RECOMMENDING YOU COULD, YEAH, WE CAN JUST GO BACK. ALL RIGHT. ALL RIGHT. ALL RIGHT. NOW YOU'RE GOING TO YES. WORK ONTO THE LAND MANAGEMENT ORDINANCE AMENDMENT? YES. OKAY, GOOD. SO NOW WE HAVE, UM, ANOTHER, UH, TEXT AMENDMENT PROPOSAL, UM, THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS WITH YOU, UM, IS CALLED ISLANDER MIXED USE. UM, AND THIS WAS A APPLIED FOR BY, UM, JOSH TILLER OF JK TILLER AND ASSOCIATES. UM, AND THE REQUEST IS FOR A NEW USE TO BE CREATED WITH CONDITIONS WITHIN THE C PINE CIRCLE DISTRICT. AND, UM, THAT INCLUDES, UM, CREATION OF A DEFINITION FOR THE NEW USE, USE SPECIFIC CONDITIONS FOR THAT NEW USE, AS WELL AS SOME EXCEPTIONS FROM OUR DEVELOPMENT FORM STANDARDS. AND AGAIN, I WANTED TO REMIND EVERYONE THAT THIS IS, UM, A TEXT AMENDMENT REQUEST AND ALTHOUGH THERE IS A SPECIFIC DEVELOPMENT THAT THIS APPLICANT HAS IN MIND, IT WOULD BE APPLICABLE TO, UM, THE PARCELS THAT MEET THE CONDITIONS WITHIN THE C PINE CIRCLE DISTRICT. AND JUST FOR, JUST SO THAT WE UNDERSTAND, THIS DOES NOT IMPACT THE BASE ZONING. THIS IS AN ADD-ON, IT'S A NEW USE THAT WOULD BE ALLOWED IN THE C PINE CIRCLE DISTRICT ONLY AS PROPOSED? CORRECT. SO THE BASE ZONING IS STILL CINE CIRCLE AND, AND IF APPROVED, THIS WOULD BE A NEW USE THAT WOULD BE ON THE MENU OF USES ALLOWED WITHIN THAT DISTRICT. THANK YOU MISSY. UM, AND SO WE'RE RECOMMENDING THAT THE PUBLIC COMMAND, PUBLIC PLANNING COMMITTEE REVIEW THIS AND THEN, UM, MAKE A RE RECOMMENDATION ON IT. UM, SO AGAIN, I'M JUST GONNA SUMMARIZE, UM, THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST. UM, THE APPLICANT ALSO HAS, UM, SOME SLIDES THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO DO, UM, AS WELL. AND THEN I'LL PROVIDE SOME STAFF ANALYSIS ON THE REQUEST AS WELL. SO FIRST IS JUST A SUMMARY AS IT WAS PROPOSED. UM, AND SO IT'S A NEW USE AND IT PROPOSES, UM, A NEW, UH, DEFINITION, WHICH IS ON THE SCREEN. UM, THE USE IS CALLED ISLANDER MIX USE, AND IT'S A DEVELOPMENT THAT INCLUDES TWO OR MORE DIFFERENT USES, WHICH SHALL INCLUDE MULTI-FAMILY. UM, ACTUALLY, I'M SORRY, THIS HAS, UM, [01:05:02] OUR PROPOSED DEFINITION, NOT THEIR EXISTING ONE ON THE SCREEN, SO I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT. UM, BUT I WILL READ IT, UM, FROM THE AMENDMENT ITSELF. SO IT'S A DEVELOPMENT THAT INCLUDES TWO OR MORE DIFFERENT USES, WHICH SHALL INCLUDE ISLANDER MIXED USE. AND ONE OR MORE OF OFFICE USES AS DESCRIBED IN SIXTEEN TEN ONE OH THREE F, OR ONE OR MORE OF THE COMMERCIAL SERVICES USES DESCRIBED IN SIXTEEN TEN ONE OH THREE OR SOME COMBINATION THEREOF. SUCH USES SHOULD BE FUNCTIONALLY INTEGRATED AND SHARE VEHICULAR USE AREAS. INGRESS, EGRESS AND PEDESTRIAN ACCESS GROUP LIVING DORMITORY USE IS ALLOWED WITHIN THIS USE TYPE. SO PRETTY MUCH THEIR USE CATEGORY THAT THEY'RE PROPOSING IS VERY SIMILAR TO OUR MIXED USE DEFINITION. UM, BUT THEY ALSO WANT TO INCLUDE, UH, GROUP LIVING DORMITORY USE. SO THE REQUEST ALSO INCLUDES, UM, SEPARATE PARKING SPACES REQUIRED FOR RESIDENTIAL AT 1.5 SPACES PER DWELLING UNIT, AND THEN SEPARATE PARKING SPACES REQUIRED FOR NON-RESIDENTIAL AT ONE PER 500 SQUARE FEET OF GROSS FLOOR AREA. AND THEY'RE PROPOSING THIS USE BE, BE PERMITTED WITH CONDITIONS. UM, AND, AND THOSE, UM, CONDITIONS WOULD INCLUDE, UM, THAT THE USE MUST BE WITHIN 500 FEET OF AN EDUCATION USE. THAT SHORT-TERM RENTAL WOULD BE PROHIBITED, UM, AND THAT IT WOULD ALLOW THAT THIS USE TYPE COULD PARTICIPATE IN A SHORT SHARED PARKING PLAN. SO THEY ALSO HAVE SOME, UM, CHANGES TO THE DEVELOPMENT FORM STANDARDS THAT ARE PROPOSED. UM, ONE IS THAT, UM, IT WOULD HAVE UNDEFINED DENSITY, UM, MEANING THAT THERE WOULD NOT BE A DENSITY CAP FOR WHAT'S PROPOSED, BUT THE DENSITY WOULD BE LIMITED BY THE APPLICABLE DESIGN AND PERFORMANCE STANDARDS. UM, AND THEY'RE ALSO LOOKING TO, UM, REQUEST HEIGHT EXCEPTION OF UP TO 55 FEET. AGAIN, THE C PINE CIRCLE HEIGHT LIMIT IS 45 FEET FOR ALL DEVELOPMENT. SO NOW I'M JUST GONNA GO THROUGH THE STAFF ANALYSIS OF THE USE. UM, CERTAINLY IT'S A CONCEPT THAT WE'VE BEEN DISCUSSING FOR SOME TIME WITH THE LMO COMMITTEE AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION. UM, IT'S, UH, CERTAINLY A WORTHY FOR MORE DISCUSSION. UM, AND WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THE APPLICANT TEAM FOR SOME TIME. UM, THE DEFINITION, UM, DOES HAVE SOMEWHAT OF A CIRCULAR NATURE. UM, AND SO WE WERE, UM, WORKING WITH THE APPLICANT TO PROPOSE, UM, A DIFFERENT DEFINITION, UM, BECAUSE IT, IT REFERRED BACK TO THE USE TYPE ISLANDER MIXED USE. SO THE PROPOSED DEFINITION REMOVES THAT CIRCULAR NATURE, AND IT IS WHAT IS UP ON THE SCREEN RIGHT NOW. UM, SO WE HAD THAT PROPOSED CHANGE AND THE APPLICANT WAS AMENABLE TO THIS DEFINITION CHANGE. UM, SO MIXED USE IS ALLOWED IN THE C PINE CIRCLE DISTRICT, BUT IT HAS, UM, A DENSITY LIMIT OF 12 DWELLING UNITS PER NET ACRE AND 10,000 GROSS FLOOR AREA FOR NON-RESIDENTIAL. AGAIN. SO THE C PINE CIRCLE DISTRICT MIXED USE, UM, DOES NOT ALLOW A SHARED PARKING PLAN. SO THAT'S WHAT'S DIFFERENT IN THIS PROPOSAL, OF COURSE, IS UNDEFINED DENSITY, UM, AS WELL AS THE INCLUSION OF SHARED PARKING APPLICABILITY. SO THE, THE USE AS DESCRIBED BY THE APPLICANT, AND THE INTENT WAS THAT IT WOULD BE, UM, PROVIDED PROVIDING HOUSING FOR ISLANDERS. UM, HOWEVER, AS DRAFTED THAT USE, UM, FOR THE UNDEFINED DENSITY AS WELL AS THE USE IS NOT CURRENTLY TIED TO ANY AFFORDABILITY COMPONENT OR WORKFORCE HOUSING OR FAIR MARKET RENTS. UM, AND SO JUST WANTED TO POINT THAT OUT ALSO FOR THE GROUP LIVING DORMITORY USE, IT'S NOT CURRENTLY ALLOWED IN THE C PINE GROUP. LIVING IS NOT ALLOWED IN THE C PINE CIRCLE DISTRICT. SO AS PROPOSED, THIS WOULD BE A COMPONENT THAT WOULD ONLY BE ALLOWED AS PART OF THIS PROPOSED USE. ISLANDER'S MIXED USE, UM, ALSO AS PROPOSED, UM, THERE ISN'T A UNIT MIX. UM, SO, UH, PER THEIR DEFINITION, THEY COULD HAVE A COMPONENT OF COMMERCIAL USE, AND THEN THE, THE REMAINDER COULD BE ALL GROUP LIVING, UM, BECAUSE THERE ISN'T A UNIT MIX. THAT'S PART OF THE PROPOSAL. UM, STAFF WAS, UM, CONSIDERING THAT THERE COULD BE A UNIT MIX PROPOSED SOMEWHERE AROUND 20%, UM, CAP TO THE DORMITORY USE. SORRY, WHAT WAS THAT? SORRY? WHAT WAS THAT PERCENTAGE THAT YOU'RE RECOMMENDING? PERHAPS 20%. OKAY, THANK YOU. SO AGAIN, THE PROPOSAL IS FOR UNDEFINED DENSITY, UM, AND THAT IT WOULD BE LIMITED TO THOSE, UM, APPLICABLE DESIGN AND PERFORMANCE STANDARDS, YOU KNOW, HEIGHT, PARKING, UH, SETBACKS AND BUFFERS. UM, THE OTHER APPLICABLE DISTRICT WE HAVE, UM, WITHIN THE CODE IS THE CLICKY RESORT DISTRICT. IT ALSO DOESN'T HAVE ANY, UM, DENSITY, UM, AND IT'S ALSO [01:10:01] DEFINED BY ITS, UM, DEVELOPMENT, UH, FORM STANDARDS. SO AGAIN, UM, I WANTED TO POINT OUT THAT THE, THE DENSITY IS NOT TIED TO WORKFORCE HOUSING. UM, AND WE HAD PROPOSED OR RECOMMENDED THAT IT BE TIED TO SOME SORT OF AFFORDABILITY, UM, FACTOR OR UTIL UTILIZING SOME OF THE STANDARDS THAT WE ALREADY HAVE IN PLACE AS PART OF OUR WORKFORCE HOUSING PROGRAM. UM, AND, AND THE WORKFORCE HOUSING AGREEMENT REQUIREMENT THAT WE ALREADY HAVE IN OUR CODE. SO THE PROPO THE PROPOSAL AGAIN, IS FOR 1.5 PARKING SPACES, UM, FOR THE RESIDENTIAL, AND ONE PER 500 FOR NON-RESIDENTIAL, AS WELL AS THE SHARED PARKING PLAN. UM, WE DO ALLOW SHARED PARKING PLANS FOR OTHER USES, NOT MIXED USE CURRENTLY. UM, AND THOSE WOULD ALLOW, UM, UP TO 50% OF PARKING SPACES, UM, COULD BE PART OF, UM, A SHARED PARKING AGREEMENT. THOSE BECOME RECORDED WITH THE REGISTER OF DEEDS. SO, UM, THEY RUN WITH THE LAND. IT'S A, IT'S A PERMANENT, UM, UH, AGREEMENT THAT'S MADE. AND SO, UM, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE ALLOW FOR OTHER DEVELOPMENT TYPES, UM, IF THEY MEET THOSE CRITERIA. AND TYPICALLY THERE'S, UM, WHERE YOU'RE LOOKING AT DIFFERENT DIFFERING PARKING DEMANDS BASED ON THOSE USES. UM, SO YOU WOULD HAVE, YOU KNOW, COMMERCIAL USE IS, IS OCCUPIED DURING THE DAY AND RESIDENTIAL IN THE EVENING, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. SO THE PROXIMITY TO AN EDUCATION USE CURRENTLY AS PROPOSED, UM, THE PROPOSAL IS THAT THIS USE TYPE WOULD BE ALLOWED WITHIN 500 FEET OF AN EDUCATION USE. SO YOU CAN SEE FROM THIS GRAPHIC WE MAPPED, UM, A 500 FOOT RADIUS, A THOUSAND FOOT RADIUS, AND 1,500. UM, CERTAINLY, UM, WALKING OR BIKING IS REASONABLE, BE BETWEEN 501,500. UM, AND THEN THE NEXT SLIDE IDENTIFIES HOW MANY PARCELS ARE WITHIN THOSE DISTANCES. SO THERE WERE 23 PARCELS THAT COULD BE IMPACTED. IF AS PROPOSED IT WOULD BE, THIS USE WOULD BE ALLOWED WITHIN 500 FEET, 34 PARCELS WITHIN A THOUSAND FEET, AND 49 WITHIN 1500. UM, BECAUSE, UM, IF THIS IS A USE THAT IS DESIRABLE, IT MAY BE BECAUSE OF THOSE WALKING AND BIKING TOLERANCES. UM, YOU MAY LOOK AT, UM, CONSIDERING ALLOWING IT TO BE EXPANDED SUCH THAT THIS USE, UM, COULD BE WITHIN A THOUSAND FEET OF AN EDUCATION USE. SO AGAIN, THE HEIGHT, UM, AS PROPOSED IS, UM, IS 55 FEET. AGAIN, THE C PINE CIRCLE DISTRICT IS 45 FEET. UM, WE, WE JUST TALKED ABOUT, UM, SOME OF THE CHANGES THAT ARE COMING FOR, UM, IN OUR PREVIOUS AMENDMENT SET. UM, SO CURRENTLY, UM, RESIDENTIAL IS MEASURED FROM 13 FEET ABOVE MAIN SEA LEVEL AND NON-RESIDENTIAL IS MEASURED FROM 11 FEET. AND THAT WE HAVE THE PROPOSAL THAT, THAT MR. EBERT JUST TALKED ABOUT, AND THAT WE ARE ALSO GONNA CHANGE IT TO THE 13 FEET FOR RESIDENTIAL OR 11 OR PRE-DEVELOPMENT GRADE, WHICHEVER IS HIGHER. SO THAT'S WHAT WAS IN THAT PREVIOUS AMENDMENT SET. AND THEN CURRENTLY WE HAVE, UM, WAIVERS AND WE'RE REMOVING THE WAIVERS. SO CURRENTLY, UM, IN THIS LANGUAGE, OF COURSE, IS PROPOSED TO BE REMOVED THAT, UM, YOU COULD SEEK, UH, A WAIVER FOR ARCHITECTURAL, UH, EMBELLISHMENTS. UM, BUT AS PROPOSED, AND WE JUST TALKED ABOUT THAT, THAT AMENDMENT, UH, MAY NOT BE ALLOWED ANYMORE. SO WE DID, UM, ALSO GO OUT AND FIND SOME, UM, BUILDINGS AND, AND THEIR, UM, THEIR HEIGHT. SO THIS IS WATERWALK. UM, IT MEASURES THAT, UM, JUST UNDER 59 FEET. AND THERE'S TWO DIFFERENT, UM, BUILDINGS HERE. AQUA BUILDINGS OUT AT 55 GARDNER. THIS IS THE THREE STORY. IT'S, UM, 44 FEET, 10 INCHES, AND THEN THEIR FOUR STORY BUILDING IS 54 FEET SIX INCHES. SO JUST TO GIVE SOME CONTEXT AS TO THREE AND FOUR STORY HEIGHTS, UM, ON THE ISLAND. SO OVERALL, UM, STAFF HAS BEEN WORKING WITH THE APPLICANT. WE STILL HAVE SOME CONCERNS, UM, BASED ON THE OVERALL INTENSITY OF THE USE, THE SIZE, SCALE MASS, UM, AND, AND HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH THE APPLICANT TO TRY, TRY TO ADDRESS SOME OF THAT ANALYSIS. AND CERTAINLY THERE IS A DEVELOPMENT THAT'S PROPOSED. UM, AND WE WOULD LIKE TO HEAR IF THE PUBLIC PLANNING COMMITTEE ALSO WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOME ADDITIONAL ANALYSIS ON SOME OF THE IMPACTS, UM, THAT THAT COULD OCCUR. SHOULD THIS USE BE, UM, ADOPTED . I DON'T EVEN HAVE TO ASK YOU. . . THANK YOU SEAN. COLIN, AGAIN. UM, YEAH, SO I JUST WANT, I WANNA UH, LINK THIS BACK TO THE PREVIOUS CONVERSATION ABOUT MASTER PLANNING AND MAKING INFORMED DECISIONS. AND, UM, THIS IS A TEXT AMENDMENT THAT WOULD APPLY TO THIS DISTRICT. NOT A SPECIFIC PROJECT RIGHT NOW, BUT WE DO KNOW THERE'S A PROJECT THAT'S BEING DISCUSSED. AND SO UNDERSTANDING WHAT THE IMPACTS [01:15:01] OF THESE CHANGES WOULD HAVE, NOT JUST TO THIS PROPERTY, BUT TO OTHERS IN THE DISTRICT. WE'VE HEARD A LOT OF, UM, HAVE A LOT OF QUESTIONS AND CONCERNS THAT HAVE COME INTO OUR OFFICE ABOUT WHAT THOSE IMPACTS MIGHT BE. UM, WE DO KNOW THAT BASED ON THE PERFORMANCE STANDARDS, UM, THERE IS A ENVELOPE, RIGHT? THAT, THAT WILL, UM, GUIDE THE AMOUNT OF MASS AND SCALE. UM, BUT REALLY UNDERSTANDING WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE IN, IN THE THIRD DIMENSION, I THINK WOULD BE, WOULD BE A BENEFIT. UM, AND USE A CASE STUDY SO THAT, UM, AND IF WE'VE GOT A PROJECT UNDERWAY, UM, CASE STUDY TO MAKE SURE COUNCIL UNDERSTANDS WHAT THOSE IMPACTS LOOK LIKE, UM, ON THE GROUND, UM, WE KNOW THERE'S, UH, CONCERNS ABOUT TRAFFIC AND YOU KNOW, BASED ON WHAT'S THERE TODAY, WHAT COULD BE THERE BASED ON ALL THE ENTITLEMENTS THAT CURRENTLY EXIST IN THE DISTRICT, AND THEN WHAT THIS POTENTIALLY BEING PROPOSED HERE, UM, THAT'S WARRANTING THE CHANGE OF THE WAY WE LOOK AT DENSITY AND SOME OF THESE OTHER STANDARDS. UM, AND SO I THINK WE CAN CONTINUE TO WORK TO TRY TO PROVIDE SOME MORE INFORMATION RELATED TO THOSE KEY ITEMS. UM, I THINK THE TRAFFIC ASSESSMENT, CAUSE I, I KNOW WHEN THIS COMES FORWARD WHERE I HAVE TO GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS OF PLANNING COMMISSION, UM, ABOUT MAJOR PROJECT REVIEW AND, AND BACK TO TOWN COUNCIL, I'D LIKE TO KNOW KIND OF WHAT THE TRAFFIC ASSESSMENT IS. WE KNOW WHAT HAPPENED WITH U S C B WHEN, UM, AS PART OF THAT TIF PROJECT TO REPLACE THE OLD, UH, OFFICE, YOU KNOW, UNDERPERFORMING OFFICE SPACE AND, UM, A CONCERN ABOUT TRAFFIC GENERATION AND IT WAS GONNA OVERWHELM THAT AREA. SO I KNOW THAT THOSE QUESTIONS ARE GONNA COME UP WITH TRAFFIC ASSESSMENT, SORT OF UNDERSTANDING IN 3D WHAT THE, WHAT THE MASS AND SCALE, UH, ITEMS WOULD BE, THE INTENSITY OF THE SITE, WHAT THE IMPACTS OF THE USE WOULD BE, UM, UNDERSTANDING THAT SHARED PARKING AGREEMENT, UM, AND THE IMPLICATIONS IT WOULD HAVE ON RUNNING WITH THE LAND IF IT'S, UM, A SHERIFF PARKING AGREEMENT WITH ANOTHER PRIVATE VERSUS A A PUBLIC ENTITY. AND WHAT THAT, WHAT, WHAT THAT WOULD BE. SO I I, I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THE COUNCIL CONSIDER, UM, REQUESTING THIS INFORMATION SO THAT WE CAN BRING BACK MORE, UM, MORE INFORMATION RELATED TO THOSE KEY ITEMS FOR CONSIDERATION. I WORK WITH THE APPLICANT IN THE NEXT 30 DAYS TO REALLY DEVELOP IT. UM, I, THERE'S A LOT OF WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED IN THE PROJECT THAT I REALLY LIKE, AND I THINK IT'S CREATIVE. UM, AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE PROMOTING INVESTMENT. UM, I KNOW THAT'S A LOT OF UNT ENTITLEMENTS THAT CURRENTLY, UM, ARE WITHIN THE CINE CIRCLE DISTRICT THAT I WOULD NOT LIKE TO SEE HAPPEN ON THIS SITE. AND SO, UM, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT IF WE'RE MAKING DECISIONS AND WHAT DISTRICT PLANNING DOES RIGHT, IS REALLY DECISIONS AND FRAMEWORK TO GUIDE PUBLIC AND PRIVATE INVESTMENT AND INFRASTRUCTURE. UM, AND THEN IN THE CAPITAL, UM, TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE THAT INFORMATION SO THAT YOU'RE MAKING THE RIGHT DECISION. CUZ WE, WE WON'T BE ABLE TO COMPLETE A FULL DISTRICT ASSESSMENT, BUT I THINK REALLY UNDERSTAND THE IMPACTS FOR THESE KEY ITEMS WOULD BE OF BENEFIT BEFORE DECISION MAKING AND WE'RE COMMITTED TO MAKE THAT ASSESSMENT VERY QUICKLY WITH THE, WITH THE APPLICANT. THANK YOU, SEAN. OKAY. QUESTIONS OF, UM, STAFF WHILE NICOLE, I WOULD SUGGEST THAT WE HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT AND THEN POSE OUR QUESTIONS WE MAY GET, GAIN MORE EDUCATION FROM THAT. WELL, I, I'M GOING TO ASK A QUESTION NOW JUST SO THAT I UNDERSTAND A DEFINITION, BUT I WONDERED WHETHER OR NOT THERE MIGHT BE SOMETHING LIKE THAT OF OTHERS. I DO HAVE JUST A QUICK QUESTION. UM, I THANK YOU MR. COLLINS FOR COMING UP HERE AGAIN, . UM, AND, AND, AND MS. LU, IF YOU COULD GO LIKE JUST THE BULLET POINTS OF THE STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS ON THIS. SO I, I, UH, I RECALL THE HEIGHT. YOU'RE NOT ENCOURAGING THE HEIGHT, UM, AND, UH, YOU'RE ENCOURAGING AN EXPANSION OF, UH, THE PROXIMITY TO A USE, UM, TO THOUSAND FEET. UM, AND TYING BACK TO THE WORKFORCE HOUSING DEFINITION, UH, REGARDING DENSITY WITH, SO THERE'D BE SOME SORT OF LIMIT ON DENSITY. UM, AND, UM, I CAN'T REMEMBER WHAT ELSE IS IN THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION. THOSE ARE THE KIND OF BULLETS I WANTED TO HEAR. SURE. I I THINK YOU GOT ALL OF THEM. UM, BUT THERE ALSO WAS THE USE TYPE, UM, PROVISION FOR THE PERCENT, UH, OF DORMITORY USE. YEAH. THE ONE I ASKED YOU ABOUT, WHICH I COMPLETELY FORGOT RIGHT AWAY. SO, THANK YOU . MY, MY QUESTION IS, UH, GROUP LIVING AND THE WAY YOU SAID IT, GROUP LIVING DORMITORY, AND ARE THOSE TWO THE SAME KIND OF USE OR WHAT, WHAT DISTINGUISHES ONE FROM THE OTHER? UM, ACTUALLY THE GROUP LIVING, UH, DEFINITION IS QUITE LENGTHY. IT'S A WHOLE PARAGRAPH. AND DORMITORY USE IS JUST ONE COMPONENT OF GROUP LIVING. AND SO AS PROPOSED, IT'S ONLY THE PORTION OF THE GROUP LIVING DEFINITION THAT PERTAINS TO ALLOWANCE OF DORMITORIES. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. APPRECIATE THAT. ALL RIGHT. STAND ON THAT QUESTION DEFINITION. JUST, UH, SURE. ARE YOU GONNA MAKE A PRESENTATION ALSO, ALAN? I CAN. I THINK THIS IS KIND OF SEPARATE, UM, TERMS OF DWELL. [01:20:01] ALL RIGHT. WHY DON'T YOU COME UP? MAY I JUST FOLLOW UP ON, ON WHAT YOU JUST SAID? SO THE GROUP LIVING DORMITORY IS A SEGMENT WITHIN GROUP LIVING. YES. AND THIS PROPOSAL SPEAKS TO JUST DORMITORY DORM. DOES THAT NECESSARILY THEN EXCLUDE ALL OTHER ASPECTS OF THAT BIGGER DE DEFINITION? DON'T HAVE TO ANSWER ME NOW, , BUT, UM, I, THAT'S THE INTENT OF HOW IT'S WRITTEN. UM, BUT YES, WE CAN CERTAINLY LOOK INTO THAT AND MAKE SURE THAT IT DOESN'T INCLUDE THE REST OF GROUP LIVING DEFINITION. JUST WANT TO, YEAH. THANK YOU. THAT IS THE INTENT. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. OKAY, ALAN, THANK PLEASE. I WAS LOOKING AT THE SAME DEFINITION AS YOU ASKED QUESTION ALAN WOLF. UM, EARLIER TODAY YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT CLEANING UP THE LMO AS A HIGH PRIORITY. AND THERE'S A SIGNIFICANT LOOPHOLE ON THE M LMO THAT HAS BEEN USED BEFORE ON THE ISLAND TO CREATE GROUP LIVING WITHOUT FITTING INTO THE LMO. THAT IS, THAT A DEL A DWELLING UNIT AS DEFINED INCLUDES LIVING, SLEEPING, EATING, COOKING, AND SANITATION, RIGHT? AVAILABILITY. WE, THIS PROPERTY IS THE APPLICANT WE'LL TALK TO COULD HAVE 54 UNITS WITH NO LIMITATION OF HOW MANY BEDS YOU COULD PUT IN IT. AND SIMILAR APPLICANTS IN THE PAST HAVE PUT EIGHT OR 10 BEDS BEHIND THEM, WHICH CREATES FOUR, 500 BEDS. UM, THAT IS THE WRONG USE FOR MOST OF THE ISLAND, AND CERTAINLY THIS SPOT IN MY, IN MY OPINION. SO I WOULD HOPE THAT WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE LMO REVISION PRIORITIES, THIS TERM OF UNLIMITED DENSITY IS A MISNOMER. WE ALREADY HAVE UNLIMITED DENSITY. WE CAN PUT AS MANY BEDS AS WE WANT WITHOUT GETTING CAUGHT BY THE LMO AND PREVENTING IT. SO THE UNLIMITED DENSITY IN THIS CASE BEING PROTECTED BY THE DEVELOPMENT FORM STANDARDS OF BUFFER SETBACKS, HEIGHT RESTRICTIONS, ET CETERA, IS A FAR BETTER USE OF THE TOWN LMO, I BELIEVE, THAN ALLOWING UNLIMITED BEDS WITHIN A SINGLE ROOM, UH, WITHIN, BEHIND ONE DOOR THAT JUST HAS EATING, SLEEPING FACILITY, UH, SANITATION. SO I WOULD HOPE THAT WE WOULD REVISIT THE DWELLING UNIT DEFINITION AS PART OF YOUR PRIORITIES. THANK YOU, HONOR. THANKS. APPRECIATE THAT. OKAY. PRESENTATION BY THE APPLICANT. HI, I'M LEWIS HAMMETT HERE FOR THE APPLICANT. WE HAVE SEVERAL MEMBERS THAT ARE GONNA TALK ABOUT SOME DETAIL, BUT I WAS ASKED TO SAY A COUPLE OF THINGS UP FRONT WHEN THEY BIT SOME QUESTION RAISED AS TO WHETHER THERE WAS ANY SPOT ZONING APPLICATIONS, YOU KNOW, TO THIS OR, OR WORRIES. UM, MY OPINION, THERE'S ABSOLUTELY NOT. USUALLY SPOT ZONING IS IT'S CLASSICALLY APPLIED WHEN THERE'S ONE PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT'S ZONED HERE. WE HAVE FOUR AS PART OF THIS PROPOSAL. BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY, DESPITE ZONING REFERS TO WHEN ZONING IS PUT IN A PLACE THAT TOTALLY CONFLICTS WITH SURROUNDING USES AND MAKES NO PLANNING SENSE. TYPICALLY, MANY OF 'EM ARE LIKE, IF, IF A COUNCIL REZONES IT SO THE MAYOR'S BROTHER-IN-LAW CAN PUT A STORE IN A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD, THAT THAT'S THE KIND OF THING YOU'VE USUALLY SEEN. UH, BUT THERE'S, THERE'S NOTHING ABOUT, UM, THIS THAT, THAT GOES IN THAT DIRECTION. PLUS A WIDE VARIETY OF MIXED USES AND MULTI-FAMILIES ARE ALREADY ALLOWED. AND THE FACT THAT WE'RE NEXT TO THE UNIVERSITY SUGGESTS THAT ADDING THE DORMITORY USE IT MAKES GOOD PLANNING SENSE. SO I DON'T THINK WE HAVE ANY TRAFFIC ZONING PROBLEM. ALSO, JUST WANT TO POINT OUT, MOST OF, YOU KNOW, UM, I GUESS AT LEAST ONE OF YOU KNOWS BETTER THAN OTHERS, TH THIS PARTICULAR SITE IS SOMEWHAT DILAPIDATED. SOME PEOPLE WOULD CALL IT BLIGHTED. IT'S AN OLD OFFICE COMPLEX THAT WOULD GET REDEVELOPED UNDER THIS PLAN. THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF OFFICE THAT'S ALLOWED ON THERE NOW, IF IT WAS REDONE AND, AND, AND, AND FILLED UP WITH BUSINESSES, WOULD GENERATE MORE TRAFFIC THAN THIS DEVELOPMENT. SO EVEN IF DEVELOP THE WAY WE'D LIKE TO, IT'S A REDUCTION IN TRAFFIC VOLUME. AND WE'VE HAD A TRAFFIC ENGINEER LOOK AT IT FOR THAT TO, TO LET US KNOW. IT'S A MATTER OF JUST LOOKING AT TRAFFIC GENERATION TABLES. WE THINK THE TRAFFIC WOULD BE EVEN BE LOWER THAN THE TABLES SUGGEST. CAUSE WE'LL HAVE PEOPLE THAT ARE WALKING TO SCHOOL ACROSS THE STREET AND WE'LL HAVE PEOPLE THAT ARE WALKING TO WORK IN NEARBY BUSINESSES IMMEDIATELY AROUND IT. BUT EVEN WITH NORMAL TRAFFIC GENERATION FIGURES THIS DOWN ZONES IT FROM TRAFFIC IMPACT, WHICH IS WE HEARD FROM OTHERS, IS PROBABLY THE MAJOR, UH, IN MANY CASES. THE, THE MAJOR CONCERN ABOUT DEVELOPMENT, THIS IS REDEVELOPMENT AND IT LOWERS TRAFFIC IMPACT WHEN IT COMES TO THE UNLIMITED DENSITY. UM, I THINK ALAN DID A GOOD JOB OF EXPLAINING THAT WE COULD GET THE NUMBER OF BEDS OR EVEN MORE ON THIS SITE. THIS IS MORE ABOUT DOING A DEVELOPMENT [01:25:01] THAT MAKES SENSE AND LOOKS GOOD AND IS ATTRACTIVE FOR THE COMMUNITY AND FOR THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE THERE. THEN SHOEHORNING PEOPLE IN, WE'RE NOT DOING THAT. UM, THE SITE STANDARDS THAT HAVE BEEN ADOPTED OVER THE YEARS BY THE TOWN, OPEN SPACE, STORM WATER, DRAINAGE, BUFFERS, SETBACKS, ALL THOSE THINGS APPLY AND LIMIT WHAT CAN BE DONE. UM, AND IS, IS WAS POINTED OUT BY, BY STAFF. YOU ALREADY HAVE THIS IN COLIGNY, WHICH IS RIGHT DOWN THE STREET. SO IT'S NOT A NEW CONCEPT TO THE TOWN. UM, AND I THINK IT, IT, IT SERVES WELL. CAUSE WE'RE TRYING TO SERVE A VERY, UM, DISTINCT PURPOSE WITH THIS DEVELOPMENT. IT'S WHY IT'S THERE. OUR TWO PARTNERS IN THIS, SO TO SPEAK, ARE THE UNIVERSITY THAT NEEDS SOME HOUSING. AND WE'VE GOT THE SHARED PARKING ARRANGEMENT WITH THEM. AND OF COURSE THE SURGE GROUP, WHICH IS THE BIGGEST EMPLOYER, AND THEY NEED PLACES FOR PEOPLE TO LIVE THAT WORK HERE. AND A MAJOR FOCUS OF OUR THING WILL BE ARRANGEMENTS WITH MAJOR EMPLOYERS, UM, AS WELL AS OUR ARRANGEMENT WITH THE UNIVERSITY. IT'S ALSO, AS YOU LOOK AT DENSITY, THE FACT THAT WE'VE GOT 75 SPACES OFFSITE, YOU KNOW, MAKES THE NORMAL DENSITY ANALYSIS DIFFERENT. IF WE CAN, IF WE CAN ADDED ENOUGH ROOM TO PUT 75 SPACES TO THIS PROPERTY, ENOUGH ACREAGE FOR 75, WE'RE DOING IT SIERRA SPACES. BUT IF WE ADDED THAT ALONG WITH THE DRAINAGE, THE OPEN SPACE, EVERYTHING THAT WOULD GO WITH THAT MUCH PARKING, IT WOULD BE A CONSIDERABLY LARGER SITE. AND THE CALCULATED DENSITY WOULD BE CONSIDERABLY LOWER. I JUST POINT THAT OUT FOR, FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH. UM, IT'S, IT'S NOT UNLIMITED BECAUSE OF SITE STANDARDS AND IT'S THE PARKING STANDARDS THAT ARE OFFSITE THAT ALLOW IT TO, TO APPEAR HIGHER. OTHER SITES THAT DON'T HAVE SUCH PARKING ARRANGEMENTS OFFSITE COULD NOT ACHIEVE WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE. IF THEY DEVELOP THOSE ARRANGEMENTS, THEN, THEN THEY COULD, BUT, BUT WE DON'T SEE THAT HAPPENING. AT ANY RATE, UM, WITH ALL THAT IN MIND, UM, OH, I, I WANT TO EMPHASIZE ONE OTHER THING THAT SHE WAS SAID. THE TOWN HAS IDENTIFIED, YOU KNOW, THE NEED FOR HOUSING THAT WORKERS CAN LIVE IN AND AFFORD IS, IS A VERY, VERY MAJOR GOAL. AND ONE OF THE MOST SERIOUS REASONS YOU DON'T HAVE IT IS BECAUSE ALL OF THE MULTI-FAMILY BEING CONVERTED TO SHORT-TERM RENTALS OR SUBSTANTIAL PART OF IT, WE ARE, UH, RESTRICTING, WE'RE PROHIBITING SHORT-TERM RENTALS. SO JUST THE FACT THAT WE'RE PUTTING THESE UNITS ON THE MARKET AND CAN'T BE SHORT TERM HELPS FEED THAT, UH, THAT MARKET, UH, HELPS TO GET US IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION. UM, SO ANYWAY, UH, WITH THAT, I'M GONNA TURN IT OVER TO JOSH TILLER WHO CAN TALK ABOUT SOME OF THE SPECIFICS OF THE PLAN AND TO OTHERS WHO MAY WANNA SAY SOMETHING. THANKS. THANK YOU, LEWIS. YOU WANT TO ASK ME ANY QUESTIONS OR WAIT? NOT AT THIS POINT. WELCOME, JOSH. MORNING. THANKS FOR HAVING ME. I'M JOSH TILLER. I'M JUST A HUMBLE LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT, UM, WITH AN IDEA THAT I, I THINK WILL HELP SOLVE SOME OF THE ISLANDS PROBLEM WITH, UH, WORKFORCE HOUSING AND, UH, THE UNIVERSITY'S PROBLEM WITH, UH, UH, STUDENT HOUSING. UM, LET'S GET A FULL SCREEN MODE. UM, I, I CALL HILTON HEAD MY HOMETOWN. I WAS BORN AND RAISED HERE. I LIVED RIGHT DOWN THE ROAD FROM THIS SITE HERE ON NORTH FOREST BEACH. MY PARENTS CAME HERE IN THE EARLY SEVENTIES. MY DAD, UM, CAME HERE TO WORK FOR ED PINKNEY AS A LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT, AND HE BELIEVED IN THE VISION OF CHARLES FRAZIER AND WANTED TO WORK ON THOSE COOL PROJECTS. SO I APPRECIATE YOUR ALL'S COMMITMENT TO CHARLES FRAZIER'S VISION FOR HILTON ED. AND, UM, I, I ALSO, MY FIRST JOB AS A KID WAS RIGHT DOWN THE ROAD FROM HERE AT JODI'S FINE FOODS AND HER FAMILY EARLY ON LIVED ABOVE THAT RESTAURANT. AND LATER ON, HER EMPLOYEES LIVED A, UH, AT ABOVE THAT RESTAURANT. AND I SAY ALL THAT, UM, BECAUSE THE IDEA OF MIXED USE, AFFORDABLE HOUSING IS NOT AN ENTIRELY NEW CONSTRUCT FOR THIS AREA OF HILTON HEAD. UM, I FEEL LIKE IT'S APPROPRIATE. UM, IT'S ALSO GONNA HELP THE UNIVERSITY, UM, WITH THEIR HOUSING NEEDS, UM, THEIR ENROLLMENTS DOWN FOR THIS CAMPUS. BUT THEY FEEL STRONGLY THAT HAVING HOUSING HERE WILL HELP ENROLLMENT. UM, AND I'VE GOT, UH, WE'VE GOT MS, UM, A A EVA SMITH IS HERE AS WELL. UM, SO YOU CAN ASK HER IN ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE FROM THE UNIVERSITY STANDPOINT. UM, [01:30:01] WE DID GET APPROVAL FROM PLANNING COMMISSION, UM, WITH OUR PROPOSAL. I KNOW THERE ARE A NUMBER OF ISSUES THAT, UM, MRS. LUK ALLUDED TO THAT, UM, WE, THAT CAME UP LATER AFTER THAT DECISION. UM, WE'VE AGREED TO A NUMBER OF THOSE, AND I'M NOT GOING TO GO BACK THROUGH THOSE, BUT THERE ARE CERTAINLY A FEW, UM, THAT WE'RE HAPPY TO DISCUSS TODAY. UM, WE, WE AGREED TO THE DEFINITION WHERE WE HAD THAT CIRCULAR DEFINITION PROBLEM. UM, THE, WE HAD PROPOSED 500 FEET WITHIN. WE DIDN'T WANT THIS TO, YOU KNOW, SPREAD THROUGHOUT. BUT, UM, IF A THOUSAND FEET OPENS UP MORE OPPORTUNITIES TO OTHER PARCELS TO DEVELOP TO UTILIZE THIS USE, WE'RE OKAY WITH THAT. UM, THE CAP, WE'RE WILLING TO DE DISCUSS THAT ISSUE. UM, WE'RE STILL NOT SURE WHERE THAT NEEDS TO BE IF 20% IS APPROPRIATE. UM, ON THE HEIGHT, UM, I'VE GOT MR. TOM PARKER WITH THE PARKER DESIGN GROUP HERE TO DISCUSS BUILDING MASSING AND HEIGHT. SO IF YOU'VE GOT QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT, WE CAN CERTAINLY ADDRESS IT. UM, BUT WE ARE WILLING TO LIMIT IT TO FOUR STORIES. SO WE'RE NOT GONNA GO BEYOND FOUR STORIES, AND THAT'S WHAT OUR PROPOSED SITE PLAN INCLUDES. UM, HOW DOES THIS, UM, I GUESS THE QUESTION IS HOW DOES THIS TEXT AMENDMENT APPLY TO THE, TO THE LAND? AND I'M GONNA KIND OF WALK YOU THROUGH OUR PLAN AND, AND HOW IT RELATES. AND IT IT'LL HELP YOU FURTHER UNDERSTAND DENSITY AND WHAT THIS BUILDING MAY OR MAY LOOK LIKE ON THE SITE. UM, THIS IS THE SITE. THERE'S FOUR PARCELS. IT'S ALL, UM, ACCESSED OFF OF OFFICE WAY. THERE'S PARCEL 6, 8, 10, AND 12. UM, AND THEN WE'RE DIRECTLY JUST DUE NORTH OF, UH, THE UNIVERSITY CAMPUS. UM, AND WITHIN WALKING DISTANCE, I THINK THE 500 FOOT BOUNDARY IS, IS ABOUT THAT DISTANCE. BUT WE GET TO A THOUSAND, YOU CAPTURE SOME OF THESE PARCELS OUT HERE, INCLUDING PARK PLAZA AND CROSS POPE AVENUE TO SOME OF THESE COMMERCIAL AREAS AS WELL. UM, SO WE'RE ALL, THIS SITE IS PERFECT FOR ENHANCING THE, THE UNIVERSITY CAMPUS, PROVIDING STUDENTS A WALKABLE COMMUTE TO CLASSES. SO THEY'RE NOT CONCERNED ABOUT DRIVING FROM BLUFFTON AND GETTING STALLED ON THE BRIDGE AND LATE FOR CLASS, THAT KIND OF THING. THEY'VE ALSO GOT EASY ACCESS TO SHOPPING, ENTERTAINMENT, THE BEACH. IT'S, IT IS CERTAINLY GONNA BE A DRAW FOR STUDENTS. UM, THIS IS THE EXISTING SITE SURVEY. AGAIN, THIS IS, UH, PARCEL 6, 8, 10, AND 12. THEY'RE EXISTING BUILDINGS ON THE SITE. AND JUST TO CLARIFY, I KNOW THE PACKET MENTIONED REPURPOSING THESE BUILDINGS. THERE WILL BE NO REPURPOSING. THERE'S SOME, SOME OF THESE BUILDINGS HAVE SOME ASBESTOS IN THEM. SO THE, THE PLAN IS TO RAISE THESE BUILDINGS AND REDEVELOP, UM, AND ALREADY DEVELOPED SITES. WE'RE NOT GOING INTO A GREENFIELD AND PLOWING TREES DOWN. WE'RE ACTUALLY GONNA PROTECT A LOT OF THESE TREES. THIS, THIS IS, UH, OFFICE WAY HERE. THIS IS, UM, WHAT WAS IT? UH, OFFICE PARK ROAD HERE. UM, THERE'S A HEAVY VEGETATED EDGE ALONG THIS ROAD. IT'S A LITTLE OPEN UP AT THIS ACCESS POINT HERE. UM, BUT FOR THE MOST PART, THIS WHOLE AREA, THE SITE HAS, UM, DOES HAVE TREES, BUT IT'S NOT AS TREE AS THIS, THIS BUFFER IS HERE. UM, OUR SITE ELIMINATES THOSE EXISTING BUILDINGS. AND ONE THING TO NOTE IS THIS, THIS AREA OF EXISTING TREE CANOPY. UM, THIS BUILDING WE'RE ONLY REQUIRED A 20 FOOT MAXIMUM SETBACK FROM THE PROPERTY LINE. THIS BUILDING, THE MAIN, UH, I GUESS WIDEST FACADE IS ABOUT A HUNDRED FEET OFF THAT PROPERTY LINE. UM, WE GET THE CLOSEST HERE. WE'RE ABOUT 25, 30 FEET ALONG THIS EDGE HERE, BUT WE EXCEED THE REQUIRED SETBACK. UM, THIS BUILDING OCCUPIES, IT'S GOT 132 TOTAL UNITS. UM, AND THAT INCLUDES THE DORMITORY, WHICH WOULD THE UNIVERSITY'S COMMITTED TO. WE'VE GOT A, UH, RESTAURANT FACILITY HERE THAT'LL OCCUPY TWO STORIES. IT'S A ONE STORY, THE, THE, THE, THE RESTAURANT OCCUPIES ONE STORY, BUT THERE WILL BE LIVING ABOVE THAT. BUT, UM, BUT IT'S A TOTAL OF TWO STORIES IN HEIGHT ON THE INSIDE. UM, CIRCULATION, WE'VE MOVED, WE'VE GOT CURRENTLY, THERE'S TWO ACCESS POINTS HERE AND HERE, HERE WE'VE REDUCED THAT DOWN TO ONE ACCESS POINT ON OFFICE WAY. AND [01:35:01] WE'RE PROPOSING A NEW ONE HERE OFF OF OFFICE PARK ROAD. SO YOU PRETTY MUCH LOOP THROUGH THE SITE. WE'VE ALSO GOT 75 OFF, UM, 75, UH, PARKING SPACES. THE UNIVERSITY'S WILLING TO SHARE WITH US AS PART OF THIS, CUZ WE ANTICIPATE MOST OF THEIR STUDENTS WILL BE, UH, EITHER IN THESE DORMS OR RENTING ROOMS HERE. UM, SO IT'S BEEN TALKED ABOUT THE DENSITY. UM, IT'S NOT REALLY UNLIMITED WHEN YOU FACTOR IN BUFFERS, SETBACKS, STORM WATER REQUIREMENTS, PARKING, THAT TENDS TO PAINT YOU INTO A CORNER, UM, WITH THE AMOUNT OF DENSITY YOU CAN GET ON A SITE, BECAUSE AS YOU INCREASE DENSITY, YOU INCREASE PARKING DEMANDS, STORM WATER DEMANDS. SO YOU, YOU GET TO A POINT WHERE YOU CAN'T GO BEYOND A CERTAIN LEVEL OF DENSITY. AND IT'S, IT'S, IT'S TOUGH TO COME UP WITH A NUMBER TO APPLY TO AN ENTIRE TEXT AMENDMENT FOR A, FOR AN AREA, UM, FOR A ZONING DISTRICT HERE. UM, I KNOW THERE HAS BEEN SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT BUILDING HEIGHT. WE, WE'VE, WE'RE LIMITED TO 45. UM, WE'RE ASKING FOR 55. UM, AND I'VE GOT A COUPLE SLIDES HERE OF THE STREET SCAPE. UM, I'M SORRY. SORRY. CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE ONE, I I WILL GO BACK. I JUST WANTED TO SHOW YOU THIS TREE CANOPY. THIS IS THAT EXISTING TREE CANOPY I TALKED ABOUT EARLIER. SO THOSE BUILDINGS WILL SIT BACK IN HERE FAR BEYOND THAT. UM, THAT TREE CANOPY THERE, THIS IS IF YOU HAD YOUR BACK TO POPE AVENUE LOOKING IN. UM, UH, OR NO, ACTUALLY YES, CORRECT. THAT'S CORRECT. THIS IS THE INTERSECTION, OFFICE PARK ROAD. UM, SO THIS IS THAT CORNER, UH, RIGHT HERE, THIS CORNER THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IN THAT, THAT IMAGE. UM, SO YOU CAN AGAIN SEE THAT LARGE CANOPY AND LARGE BUFFER OF TREES THAT THIS BUILDING WILL BE NESTLED BEHIND. UM, AND I'D BE HAPPY TO LET TOM TALK ABOUT BUILDING THREE, MR. CHAIRMAN COMMITTEE. UM, MY NAME'S TOM PARKER. I'M JUST A HUMBLE ARCHITECT, UH, LONGTIME ISLAND RESIDENT, 39 YEARS. AND, UM, OUR FIRM IS, UH, DOING EVERYTHING WE CAN TO TRY TO GET ONE OF THESE KIND OF PROJECTS APPROVED. AND WE FEEL THAT THIS IS JUST A PERFECT LOCATION FOR IT BY RIGHT, THIS IS A 45 FOOT REQUIREMENT IN THAT AREA IN A, AS YOU CAN, THIS IS, THIS IS A GRAPHIC. IT HAS NOTHING TO OUR BUILDING IS NOT DESIGNED YET. THIS IS A FOUR-STORY BUILDING WITH A ROOF ON IT THAT, UH, WE'VE, WE'VE SHOWN, AND IT'S JUST FOR THE DISCUSSION OF WHAT THE EXTRA HEIGHT WOULD ALLOW PEOPLE TO DO. DO. SO AT 45 FEET WE CAN PUT FOUR TYPICAL STORIES IN AND PUT A ROOF ON IT. AND THAT'S THE, THE DRAWING ON THE LEFT-HAND SIDE. YOU CAN SEE ONCE YOU PUT IN YOUR FLOOR TO FLOOR HEIGHTS FOR FOUR STORIES, YOU'RE, YOU END UP WITH SIX TO EIGHT FEET OF ABILITY TO CREATE A ROOF ABOVE THAT FOURTH FLOOR. AND WE END UP WITH A, A DATTO LINE THAT, THAT DOESN'T ALLOW ANY PLAY IN THE ROOF MASSING PER SE. THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF TWEAKING WE COULD DO DOWN IN FRONT OF WINDOWS AND THAT SORT OF THING, BUT YOU ARE HARD TO THAT UPPER LINE. SO YOU END UP WITH A PARA PIT THAT IS FLAT ACROSS AND YOU CAN THROW IN A GABLE OR TWO LIKE WHAT'S SHOWN HERE. BUT YOU CAN'T GO ABOVE THAT LINE IF YOU ONLY HAVE SIX TO EIGHT FEET TO WORK WITH. SO WE, WE HAVE A PROJECT THAT WAS RECENTLY APPROVED THAT HAS A ROOF VERY SIMILAR TO THIS, JUST KIND OF GOES STRAIGHT ACROSS THE EXTRA 10 FEET. IF THE, UH, VERBIAGE WERE LIMITING IT TO FOUR FLOORS, CUZ 55 FEET, YOU OBVIOUSLY COULD ADD A FLOOR. UM, IF YOU LIMIT IT TO FOUR FLOORS, THE 55 FEET ALLOWS THE ROOF MASSING TO CREATE A HIERARCHY FROM THE LOWER ROOFS TO UPPER ROOFS AND ALLOWS, UH, A ROOF FORM TO BE CREATED. AND HILTON, THAT ARCHITECTURE WAS BASED IN CREATING ROOFS. IT'S A ROOF TYPE ARCHITECTURE. PEOPLE CAN'T REALLY DEFINE WHAT HILTON HEAD ARCHITECTURE IS. YOU KNOW, WE'VE ARGUED ABOUT IT OVER THE YEARS, BUT EVERYBODY AGREES THAT IT HAS A LOT TO DO WITH THE ROOF FORM AND THE EXTRA HEIGHTS. IF WE LIMIT IT, THE FOUR FLOORS, THE EXTRA HEIGHTS, IT CAN BE CONTRIBUTED INTO THE ROOF ARCHITECTURE. AND THE ROOF ARCHITECTURE HELPS BREAK DOWN THE SCALE OF THE BUILDING. WHEN YOU LOOK AT THESE ROOFS, THEY'RE SLOPING. YOU HAVE TO REMEMBER THEY'RE SLOPING AWAY FROM YOU. SO WHILE THE BUILDING'S HIGHER, IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY FEEL HIGHER IN THE FIELD. A 45 FOOT BUILDING, A 45 FOOT BUILDING WITH A STRAIGHT FLAT ROOF AND A 55 FOOT BUILDING IF THEY'RE NOT RIGHT NEXT TO EACH OTHER, MAY [01:40:01] FEEL VERY SIMILAR FROM A MASSING STANDPOINT. AND THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE THE IDEA OF THE EXTRA HEIGHT IS, IS COMING IN AND LIMITING IT TO FOUR FLOORS SO THAT THERE'S NO ABILITY FOR SOMEBODY TO COME IN AND ADD ANOTHER FLOOR AND HAVE THIS SLOW LOW SLOPE FLAT ROOF LOOK. CUZ THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF SHE DIDN'T LIMIT IT, THE FOUR FLOORS. DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, MR. CHAIR? IF I MAY ASK A FEW QUESTIONS. UM, I, I WOULD TURN AROUND AND LOOK AT THE SCREEN. I WAS TRYING TO READ THE HEIGHT OF EACH FLOOR. IS IT 10 FOOT ON E? AND I REALIZE THIS IS NOT YOUR PLAN AT THIS POINT, BUT THE, THE DRAWINGS THAT YOU'RE SHOWING US ARE, IS EACH FLOOR 10 FEET? Y YES MA'AM. THIS IS A 10 FOOT FLOOR TO FLOOR WITH A ONE FOOT TWO STRUCTURE. OKAY. SO IT'S, UH, IT'S GETTING DOWN TO CLOSE TO, YOU KNOW, KNOW THE EIGHT FOOT HEIGHT ON THE INSIDE FOR CEILINGS, WHICH IN THE MODERN WORLD IS, UH, NOT REALLY MARKET RATE. YEAH. PEOPLE WOULDN'T BE HAPPY WITH A LOW CEILING LIKE THAT. BUT IT'S, IT'S VERY, UH, VERY TYPICAL IN MODERN CONSTRUCTION. AND WHAT'S A SLOPE ON THOSE TWO SKETCHES OF THE ROOF? UH, THIS IS A EIGHT AND 12, 8 12 IN BOTH OF 'EM. EIGHT 12, I'M SORRY, EIGHT 12 IN BOTH OF THEM IT'S THE SAME. OKAY. IT'S THE EXACT SAME THING. IF YOU LOOK AT THE GATE, JUST THE TALLER AND THE BEGINNING OF THE, THE HIP ROOF ON THE, UH, DRAWING ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE, THAT'S THE EXACT SAME DRAWING, BUT IT HAS A ROOF ADDED, A HIP ROOF CONTINUE ON UP. MM-HMM. . AND WHEN YOU CREATE A HIERARCHY OF MASSING, OKAY. IT REALLY DOES HELP BREAK DOWN THAT SCALE. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. AND, AND THE OTHER QUESTION IS, WE WERE SHOWN SOME, UM, I, I CALL 'EM FISHEYE. , THE WIDE ANGLE VIEWS OF THE TREE CANOPY. I AND, AND ALICE CLOSE. I USED TO LIVE IN SOUTH FOREST BEACH. I USED TO WALK TO CVS. I USED TO WALK TO PARK, UH, PLAZA THEATER, UM, USED TO WALK TO EAT THERE. UM, SO, AND, AND WALK, I'M SAYING WALK, NOT BIKE, A BIKE THERE TOO. UM, SO THE TREE CANOPY THERE SEEMS TO BE VERY IMPRESSIVE. UM, SO MY QUESTION IS, WHAT IS THE AVERAGE HEIGHT OF THAT TREE CANOPY ALONG OFFICE PARK? UH, THOSE OAK TREES THAT ARE, UH, 24 TO 36 INCH OAKS ALONG THE FRONT, THEY'VE GOT TO BE 50 FEET TALL. YEAH. MATURITY. THEY CAN GET UP TO 60. YEAH. I, I, WE DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION. RIGHT. BUT, UM, I, YEAH, BECAUSE I'M VERY CONCERNED, FOLKS HAVE HEARD ME TALK ABOUT THIS BEFORE ABOUT THE MASS AND SCALE DENSITY AND HEIGHT OF BUILDINGS. UM, AND I, AS I UNDERSTAND IT, THE PREFERENCE ON THE ISLAND IS TO MAINTAIN HEIGHT, UM, AT, AT OR BELOW THE TREE CANOPY. SO, AND IF WE WERE TO GO FORWARD WITH AN ACTUAL PROJECT, WE WOULD PLOT THOSE TREES IN THE, ACTUALLY SHOW THEM FOR THE COMMITTEES TO LOOK AT. OKAY. THANK YOU. DETERMINE IF THAT'S THE CASE QUESTION. THANK YOU. OH, I STILL GET COUPLE MORE THINGS. YEAH. OKAY. YOU CAN BOTH STAND THERE FOR THE MOMENT. OKAY. CAUSE WE MIGHT HAVE QUESTIONS OF BOTH OF YOU. I, I THINK JOSH HAS SOME MORE PRESENTATION TOGETHER. YEAH. WE, UM, YOU KNOW, THERE'S BEEN SOME STATEMENTS MADE IN THE PRESS THAT THERE'S CONCERNS THAT THEY'RE NOT PROVIDING HOUSING FOR FAMILY, FOR FAMILIES. UM, WE DO HAVE SOME THREE BEDROOM UNITS, UM, THAT ARE PART OF THIS. UM, WE'VE ALSO GOT A LOT OF SUPPORT, UM, NOT ONLY FROM THE UNIVERSITY AND THE SURGE GROUP, BUT THERE ARE OTHER, UM, UH, OF THE SERVICE RELATED, UM, BUSINESSES ON THE IOWA AND HAVE PROVIDED SUPPORT LETTERS AND COMMITMENTS TO, UM, PROVIDING SOME OR USING, UTILIZING SOME OF THIS HOUSING. AND I'D LIKE TO SHARE WITH YOU ALL THOSE. PLEASE, UH, LEAVE THOSE WITH US TODAY IF YOU WOULD. OKAY. OKAY. UM, THE, AND I WAS JUST TRYING TO HIT ON ALL THE POINTS SO WE DON'T MISS ANYTHING WITH THE, UH, WITH THE STAFF'S COMMENTS. UM, THERE IS A COMPONENT THEY'VE ASKED ABOUT THE AFFORDABLE, UM, WORKFORCE HOUSING, TYING IT TO THE RENT INDEX. AND, AND ELLEN WOLF IS HERE TO DISCUSS THAT IF YOU'D LIKE TO, WE'D LIKE TO KEEP THAT AS KIND OF AN OPEN DISCUSSION. UM, BUT THAT BEING SAID, I, I THINK THAT'S ABOUT ALL WE'VE GOT. SO I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS, BUT FIRST, DO YOU WANT TO ASK ANYTHING OF THEM SPECIFICALLY TO THE DESIGN OR WHATEVER? UM, SORRY, UH, WANTED JUST TO MENTION SOME OF THE STUFF ON THE, ON THE TRAFFIC. YEAH. I'M DYLAN TURNER. I NEED TO GRAB MY PHONE REAL QUICK CAUSE I HAVE SOMETHING ON THERE TOO TO PRESENT. BUT DYLAN TURNER WITH KIMMY HORN, UH, TRAFFIC ENGINEER. THAT'S FINE. WHILE YOU'RE DOING THAT, CAN I JUST ASK A QUESTION IN TERMS OF THE LAYOUT THAT YOU HAD SHOWN WITH THE VARIOUS BUILDINGS AND HOW, UM, THE SITE PLAN LOOKED? YEAH, MAYBE. WHICH OF THOSE BUILDINGS ARE NOT [01:45:01] PLANNED TO BE 55 FEET TALL? THE DORMITORIES, SO THE ONES IN THE FLOOR. OKAY. BUT EVERYTHING ELSE, THAT'S THIS BUILDING HERE. YEAH. RIGHT. AND THAT'S THE ONE THAT'S CLOSEST TO POPE. MM-HMM. . AND THAT'S WHERE YOU SEE THE, THE SMALLEST AMOUNT OF, OF BUFFER. THIS IS, THAT BUILDING WOULD SIT IN HERE. BUT WE, OUR PLAN IS TO CLOSE THIS ACCESS POINT AND REPLANT THAT AREA. WHAT IS THE HEIGHT OF THAT BUILDING? TWO-STORY BUILDING? IT'S PROBABLY 30 DORMITORY BUILDING OR THE EXISTING CORRECT? NO, THE, NO, THE DORMITORY BUILDING. OH, THE DORMITORY BUILDING. YEAH. UH, POTENTIALLY 45 FEET. THANK YOU. THIS IS WHERE THAT AREA WOULD BE PLANTED. THANK YOU. WHAT, WHAT WILL BE DONE ABOUT THE, UH, DITCH? WHAT ARE YOUR PLANS? JUST, THIS ISN'T MATERIAL, BUT I WAS JUST CURIOUS WHAT YOUR ATTITUDE IS TOWARDS A DITCH. YEAH. ARE YOU REFERRING TO THIS ONE HERE? IN OTHER WORDS, WHAT DR, WHAT'S YOUR DRAINAGE PLANNED AT THIS POINT? UM, WE HAVEN'T ENGAGED A CIVIL ENGINEER YET, BUT, UH, THIS WOULD MORE OR LESS WE, WE'D LIKE TO PROTECT IT BECAUSE IT'S GONNA, ANYTHING WE DO TO IT, IT'S GONNA IMPACT THOSE TREES. SO WE'D LIKE TO AVOID IT. AND THAT'S WHY WE PLACE THIS BUILDING SO FAR BACK. SO YOUR DRAINAGE IS GOING IN A DIFFERENT DIRECTION. UM, OOPS. WELL, WE ARE SHOWING, UH, PERVIOUS PARKING AREAS, SO THERE MIGHT BE SOME UNDERGROUND STORAGE. WE'VE ALSO GOT SOME SURFACE AREAS FOR, FOR INFILTRATION AS WELL. OKAY. UM, I NOTICED IN THAT DRAWING, UM, RILEY'S PLAZA RIGHT NEXT DOOR, WHAT INTERCONNECTIONS ARE YOU IN ANTICIPATING, UH, UH, PEDESTRIAN PATHWAYS? HAVE YOU HAD HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH RILEY'S PLAZA ABOUT WHAT THEY MIGHT LIKE TO DO JOINTLY? WHAT'S GOING ON THERE? UM, WE HAVEN'T HAD ANY FORMAL DISCUSSIONS. WE'RE CERTAINLY HOPING TO CONNECTING THERE FROM A B ESPECIALLY A PEDESTRIAN STANDPOINT. UM, WE'RE ALSO SHOWING AN ACCESS HERE AT THIS POINT AS WELL. UM, BUT IF, IF THEY'RE WILLING TO WORK WITH US, WE'D BE HAPPY TO CONNECT. OKAY. PROVIDE SOME INTERCONNECTIVITY. YOU'VE ANSWERED MY QUESTION ABOUT THE HEIGHT OF THE DORMITORY, UH, DORMITORY. BUT WHAT ARE THE, THE RESTAURANT BUILDING'S GONNA BE THE SAME HEIGHT AS THE OTHERS? SO THE RESTAURANT BUILDING IS THE PLINTH OF THE RE THE TWO STORE OF RESIDENTIAL. SO WE HAVE RESTAURANT BUILDING THAT'S TWO STORIES AND TWO STORIES OF RESIDENTIAL. SO BASICALLY THE SAME HEIGHT AS THE OTHER. OKAY, GOOD. WHICH IS COMMERCIAL AT THE BOTTOM INSTEAD OF RESIDENTIAL. OKAY. ANY OTHER PHYSICAL DESIGN QUESTIONS OF THE DESIGN? INCIDENTALLY, I'LL, I'LL SAY I'VE DEALT WITH BOTH OF THESE FIRMS IN THE PAST. THEY'RE A QUALITY FIRM. BOTH OF THEM ARE QUALITY DESIGNERS. THANK YOU. I'LL MAKE SOME OTHER COMMENTS LATER ON ABOUT THAT THOUGH. . HOPEFULLY ALL POSITIVE. MR. CHAIR. . THANK YOU. THANK YOU. AND I JUST WANTED TO SPEAK BRIEFLY ON TRAFFIC. SO WE'VE DONE, UM, A PRELIMINARY TRAFFIC ANALYSIS, ASSUMING THAT THIS IS A SITE PLAN WE'RE GONNA MOVE FORWARD WITH, ONCE AGAIN, DYLAN TURNER WITH KELLY HORN. UM, THE FIRST THING THAT WE DID WAS WE DID A MEMO THAT LOOKED AT, HEY, IF WE DEVELOPED THE OFFICE BUILDINGS THAT ARE THERE COMPARED TO THIS, WHAT HAPPENS. SO CURRENTLY THE VACANT OFFICE BUILDINGS ARE ABOUT 170,000 TOTAL SQUARE FEET. UM, AND OUR PLAN HAD 5,600 SQUARE FEET OF THE RESTAURANT SPACE. 160 LOWRISE MULTI-FAMILY. UH, AND LOWRISE IS TYPICALLY THREE STORIES OR LESS, BUT IT ALSO WAS A HIGHER TRAFFIC GENERATOR THAN MID-RISE. SO WE WANTED TO BE MORE CONSERVATIVE WITH THE TRIPS ON THE NETWORK. SO USE A LITTLE BIT OF A HIGHER TRIP GENERATION EVEN THOUGH THIS COULD BE MID-RISE ACCORDING TO THE DEFINITIONS. AND THEN, UH, 200 AND, OR SORRY, 16 DWELLING UNITS OF OFF-CAMPUS STUDENT HOUSING. AND THE RESULT OF THAT, IF WE COMPARE WHAT THE OFFICE BUILDINGS THERE ARE TODAY VERSUS THIS PROPOSED PLAN IS, UM, ABOUT 179 LESS AM PEAK HOUR TRIPS AND 142 LESS PM PEAK HOUR TRIPS. UM, SO THEN WE DID A T I JUST SO THAT WE KNOW INFORMED, ONCE AGAIN, ASSUMING WE GO FORWARD THIS PLAN, ONCE THIS PLAN GOES FORWARD, WE'LL TURN IT INTO D O T, UM, CUZ IT, IT SEES THEIR THRESHOLD AND WILL TURN IT INTO THE TOWN AS WELL. BUT JUST TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA, UM, WE STUDIED THE ROUNDABOUT, UH, WE STUDIED, UM, UH, OFFICE WAY AT POPE AVENUE. SO OFFICE WAYS IT GOES OVER, IT'S A RIGHT AND RIGHT OUT WE STUDIED, UM, POPE AVENUE AT ORLEANS ROAD OR NEW ORLEANS ROAD. UM, AND THEN WE DID OUR, UH, OFFICE PARK AT GREENWOOD, [01:50:01] UH, AND OFFICE PARK AT OFFICE WAY A LOT OF OFFICE, OFFICE, OFFICE. UM, AND WE FOUND THAT REALLY THE, THE SITE HAS NO IMPACT ON, ON OUR OFFSITE. SO WE WOULDN'T BE RECOMMENDING ANY OFFSITE IMPROVEMENTS. OBVIOUSLY THAT'D HAVE TO GO FORWARD TO THE TOWN OF HILTON HEAD. UH, WE USED, UM, THE LAND MANAGEMENT ORNAMENT OR ORDINANCE TO COMPARE THE RESULTS TO, TO MAKE SURE WE WEREN'T EXCEEDING ANY THRESHOLDS THERE. UM, SO ALL IN AWE, THIS SITE DOESN'T HAVE, UH, MAJOR IMPACTS ON THE ROAD NETWORK AND WE WOULD TURN THAT INTO D O T AND THE TOWN HILTON HEAD FOR REVIEW AS WELL. UH, ASSUMING THIS IS A PLAN THAT WE GO FORWARD WITH. SO JUST FOR MY OWN EDUCATION, HOW DO YOU CALCULATE, UM, IMPACTS OF UNITS? IS IT ON A SQUARE FOOTAGE BASIS OR YOU IT'S ON THE NUMBER OF DWELLING UNITS. SO WE WOULD LOOK AT THE NUMBER OF EACH INDIVIDUAL DWELLING UNIT. SO THE UNIT IT, IT COULD HAVE ONE BEDROOM TO THREE BEDROOM. SO THEY DO A SURVEY OF APARTMENTS ALL OVER THE US UH, AND THEY AS THE ITT SO, UH, INSTITUTE TRANSPORTATION ENGINEERS. AND THEY AVERAGE OUT ALL THIS DATA TO THEN CREATE A FORMULA FOR US TO PLUG IN THE DWELLING UNIT TO. AND THEN IT SAYS, HERE'S THE ANTICIPATED NUMBER OF TRIPS THAT YOU WOULD HAVE COMING IN AND OUT OF THAT SITE, UH, DAILY AND THE AM PM AND A FEW OTHER THAT WE TYPICALLY DON'T LOOK AT, WHICH IS A GENERATOR. YES. HAS STAFF SEEN THAT REPORT? THAT STAFF HAS NOT SEEN THIS YET. WE DIDN'T WANT TO TURN THIS IN UNTIL WE, YOU KNOW, IF THIS IS THE PLAN THAT WE'RE GONNA GO FORWARD, BUT I CAN SEND IT OVER TO STAFF TOO IF THEY WANNA SEE WHAT OUR DRAFT. WE DO HAVE A CHICKEN OR EGG SITUATION HERE A LITTLE BIT. YEAH. YEP. DO YOU HAVE A, ANY QUESTIONS OF DYLAN? SO HOW MANY DWELLING UNITS ARE THERE IN THE DORMITORY BUILDING 16 WITH AN ANTICIPATED 64 HEADS ON BEDS THERE? CORRECT. YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I RECALL. THANK YOU. YEP. THANK YOU. I HAVE A QUESTION OF ALAN. YEP. I'VE HEARD SURGE GROUP REFERRED TO AS A PARTNER IN THIS MM-HMM. BEFORE. CAN YOU DES DEFINE AND DESCRIBE FOR US THE NATURE OF THAT PARTNERSHIP? UM, WE'VE BEEN AT THIS WORKFORCE HOUSING DISCUSSION FOR GOING ON EIGHT YEARS NOW, AND THIS IS THE FIRST TIME THAT WE'VE DRUMMED UP AMONGST OUR 38 LOCAL PARTNERS, A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF MONEY TO TRY AND BE A PARTNER IN BRINGING ONE OF THESE PRODUCTS TO MARKET. IS SURGE GROUP CONTRIBUTING TO THIS PROJECT? YES. IS SURGE GROUP UH, AGREEING TO LEASE A CERTAIN NUMBER OF THE UNITS? AND IF SO, FOR WHAT PERIOD OF TIME? UH, WE WILL ABSOLUTELY DO SO. WE DO NOT HAVE THAT AGREEMENT IN PLACE. WE'VE GOT INTEREST FROM MORE THAN ENOUGH HOTELS TO FILL THE SPACE. THIS ISN'T A SURGE GROUP PROJECT ENTIRELY BY ANY MEANS. THIS IS MEANT FOR THE WIDER WORKFORCE. UNDERSTOOD. SO WE'LL BE HAPPY TO STEP IN AS, AS MUCH AS WE CAN. TYPICALLY, WE'VE NOT BEEN IN THE, UM, GUARANTEE OF LEASE, UH, BECAUSE IT'S JUST BEEN A CHICKEN AND EGG AS, AS MR. AMES POINTED OUT. SO WE'D PROBABLY BE INTERESTED IN 10 OR 20% OF THE UNITS WOULD BE MY GUESS, JUST ON UNIT COUNT. AND OF THE 116 I'VE SEEN AS 16 ARE ALREADY SEPARATED FOR DORMS. A LOT OF THE SUPPORT FOR THIS PROJECT COMES FROM PROVIDING HOUSING FOR STUDENTS, BUT ALSO, UH, FOR, UH, I GUESS WE WOULD SAY HOURLY WORKERS. MM-HMM. , UM, OR WORKERS WHO ARE DEPENDENT ON GRATUITIES AND SO FORTH. AND SO I NEED TO SEE A QUANTIFICATION OF HOW MANY OF THOSE, UH, TYPES OF EMPLOYEES, UH, WILL ACTUALLY BE SERVED HERE. AND SO BEFORE I WOULD BE PREPARED SURE TO VOTE IN THIS, I NEED TO SEE A, A COMMITMENT, UH, FROM A NUMBER OF BUSINESSES TO IN FACT DO MA MASTER LEASES ON THIS. CUZ THAT MEANS IT'S GONNA BE LOCKED IN FOR THE PURPOSES INTENDED. SURE. AND I'M NOT IMPLYING IN THAT THAT THERE IS ANY SMOKE AND MIRRORS HERE, BUT I DO NEED TO HAVE THAT CONFIRMATION IN ORDER TO MOVE IT FORWARD. SO THANK YOU. YOU'VE ANSWERED THE QUESTION. UH, YOU'RE DEFINITELY INTERESTED, YOU'RE MAKING SOME CONTRIBUTION, BUT YOU HAVE NO COMMITMENT, LEGAL COMMITMENT AT THIS POINT, UH, TO LEASE ANY UNIT? NO. IT WOULD JUST BE A, A VERY SOUND BUSINESS INTEREST ON MY PART. . UNDERSTOOD. YEAH. ALL RIGHT. GLENN, JUST TO HELP EASE YOUR CONCERN, THESE, THESE LETTERS OF SUPPORT ALSO STATE THAT THE NUMBER OF UNITS THAT THEY'RE INTERESTED IN, THAT'LL BE, THAT'LL BE VERY EDUCATIONAL TO ME, JOSH. THANK YOU. I LOOK FORWARD TO THAT. UH, DID YOU WANT JUDGE, MR. CHAIRMAN, I HAVE SOME OTHER COMMENTS TO MAKE WHENEVER YOU FEEL IS APPROPRIATE. QUESTION. I JUST WANNA FOLLOW ALONG WITH THAT CHAIN OF THOUGHT IN THINKING ABOUT THE, UM, RETURN ON INVESTMENT THAT OBVIOUSLY IS [01:55:01] DRIVING THE BOTTOM LINE ON ALL OF THIS AND HOW THAT WOULD TRANSLATE TO ANTICIPATED RENTAL COSTS. UM, BECAUSE I THINK THAT HAS BEEN A PART OF THE, THE CONCERN AND DISCUSSION. UM, WHILE THERE'S A COMMITMENT I UNDERSTAND FROM A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT, UM, BUSINESS ENTITIES TO, TO LEASE THESE OUT, I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WHEN RENTED OUT, THEY'RE ACTUALLY AFFORDABLE TO THOSE, THEY'RE RENTING THEM OUT TOO. AND SO I'D LIKE TO HEAR A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THAT. UM, I WOULD LIKE TO, TO GO BACK TO THE CHICKEN ON THE EGG. WE'RE PROPOSING A SUPPORT FOR AN LMO TEXT AMENDMENT PRIMARILY THAT WE THINK HELPS THIS ENTIRE REGION. THIS PROPERTY WOULD CERTAINLY QUALIFY FOR IT. WE'VE NOT TAKEN THE STEPS TO GET TO THE POINT OF PUTTING TOGETHER A ANY SORT OF PROFORMA THAT IS, THAT COULD ANSWER THAT QUESTION AFFIRMATIVELY AT THIS POINT. UM, IF WE GET THAT IN INCLINATION AND YOU WANT US SUSPEND THE NEXT 30 DAYS FOCUSING ON THAT, I'D BE HAPPY TO DO SO. BUT WE'RE NOT THERE AT THIS MOMENT. I WOULD ASK FOR THAT. YEAH. ALL RIGHT. CAN I, UH, RESPOND TO MR. STAFF? UM, JUST ONE POINT ABOUT YOUR INCOME LEVELS AS WE APPROACH THAT FOR THIS PROJECT. I WOULD PROBABLY LOOK AT THE HOUSING NEEDS ASSESSMENT. THE BEFOR COUNTY COMPLETED FIVE YEARS AGO NOW. WE'VE HIT OUR HALFWAY POINT WHEN WE WERE SUPPOSED TO HAVE INTRODUCED 1600 RENTAL UNITS TO THE MARKET FOR HILTON HEAD. AND WE HAVE ANOTHER 700 TO GO IN THE NEXT FIVE YEARS. AND UNFORTUNATELY, THANKS TO OUR SHORT TERM RENTAL PROBLEM, WE HAVE LOST WATER OUT OF THE BUCKET. SO WE'RE LOSING GROUND. SO WHEN WE STAND HERE AND PROMOTE THIS USE FOR THIS AREA, THERE'S A WONDERFUL BLEND BETWEEN SOME OF THE ITEMS THAT YOU FOCUSED ON, MS. BRYSON, WHICH ARE PEOPLE CAN WORK WHERE THEY LIVE. AND THAT'S A PRIORITY THAT REALLY THE SOUTH END OF HILTON HEAD HAS AN EXCLUSIVE ON IF WE DEVELOP THIS APPROPRIATELY. SO THIS IS A TREMENDOUS USE ALONG WITH THE DORMITORY, UH, TIE-IN THAT WE COULD, THAT WE COULD ACCOMPLISH. SO MY HOPE WOULD BE A POSITIVE RECOMMENDATION TO TOWN COUNCIL ON THE CONSTRUCT OF THE TEXT AMENDMENT AS IT APPLIES TO THESE PARCELS IN THE AREA, UH, FOR REDEVELOPMENT OF THE EXISTING DILAPIDATED OFFICE, UM, BUILDING. AND IT WOULD CREATE ISLANDER HOUSING. YEAH. THE NAME OF IT THAT'S GONNA IMPROVE THE QUALITY OF LIFE FOR ALL OF US. AND THAT'S BEEN THE DRUM THAT I'VE BEAT SINCE EVEN BEFORE MS. BECKER TOING THE, UH, COUNCIL. MR. AMES IS HERE. WE DRUM ON FOREVER. QUALITY OF LIFE IS AVAILABILITY OF SERVICES, COST OF SERVICES AND QU AND QUALITY OF SERVICES. AND WE ARE WOEFULLY BECOMING SHORT IN ALL THOSE THREE AREAS. UH, THIS STRIDE WILL BE AN, A VERY NICE STEP IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION TOWARDS THAT FOR ALL THE ISLAND RESIDENTS. UH, BEST PART, NO SHORT-TERM RENTALS ON THIS ONE. . THANK YOU ALAN. YEP. WE WILL HAVE A TIME FOR PUBLIC COMMENT. UM, GLENN, WOULD YOU LIKE TO LEAD OFF ON YOUR GENERAL COMMENTS? I THINK WE HAVE SOME MORE FOLKS. OH, I, I BEG YOUR PARDON. WELCOME US. C B US C B. THANK YOU. EXCUSE ME. HELLO. I'M A LITTLE NERVOUS, ALTHOUGH I SPEAK TO BIG, HUGE CLASSROOMS OF STUDENTS AND THE FOUR OF YOU INTIMIDATE. WE DON'T BITE. IT'S OKAY. UM, I'M DR. EVA SMITH AND I'M THE BRAND NEW CHAIR OF THE HOSPITALITY MANAGEMENT PROGRAM AT U S C B. AND OUR PROGRAM, OF COURSE IS HOUSED OVER HERE ON GORGEOUS, RIGHT OFF OF POPE AVENUE. AND YES, THERE HAS BEEN AN ENROLLMENT DECLINE, AS MOST PEOPLE USE AS AN EXCUSE. OURS IS ACTUALLY PRETTY LEGIT IN THAT THE PANDEMIC PLAYED HAVOC WITH OUR ENROLLMENT. HOWEVER, THE NUMBER ONE REASON THAT STUDENTS COME TO U S C B TO STUDY HOSPITALITY MANAGEMENT IS TO WORK HERE AND TO LIVE HERE AND TO LEARN HERE BECAUSE IT'S THE NUMBER, I MEAN, IT'S THE PERFECT RESORT AREA. IT'S THE PERFECT CLASSROOM ALL THE WAY AROUND. IT'S GOT EVERYTHING YOU COULD OFFER. SO WHEN OUR STUDENTS COME TO U S C B, THEY WANNA LIVE HERE. AND THAT'S A DETERRENT. WHEN THEY'RE, WHEN THEY CAN'T LIVE HERE, THE COMMUTE IS A DETERRENT. UM, YOU KNOW, I DON'T MIND THE COMMUTE. I THINK IT'S A BEAUTIFUL DRIVE. I LIVE, LIVE IN BLUFFTON AND OF COURSE I'VE ONLY LIVED IN THIS AREA FOR SEVERAL MONTHS, BUT I WAS BORN AND RAISED IN SOUTH CAROLINA, IN THE UPSTATE. I'VE LIVED HERE MY ENTIRE LIFE. MY FATHER AND HIS FAMILY, UM, WELL , THAT WOULD BE US, UM, LIVE IN, LIVED IN MYRTLE BEACH FOR 30 YEARS. SO THE LOW COUNTRY IS, HAS THAT MYSTIQUE. WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY AND THE UNIVERSITY'S SUPPORT TO MARKET AND SELL OUR PROGRAM. THEY WANT THIS PROGRAM TO GROW. IT NEEDS TO GROW IT, IT HAS EVERY GROWTH POTENTIAL. THE ONLY LITTLE THING THAT HOLDS IT BACK IS THE INABILITY TO HOUSE OUR STUDENTS CLOSE TO THEIR CLASSROOM. SO IT'S, THIS IS REALLY A WIN-WIN SCENARIO IN, IN MY OPINION, OF COURSE, IN MY HUMBLE OPINION, BECAUSE WE HAVE, NOT ONLY ARE OUR STUDENTS COMING [02:00:01] HERE TO LEARN, BUT THEY ARE THIS, THIS WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT. THEY ARE WORKING ALL, ALMOST ALL OF THE STUDENTS THAT COME TO CLASS GO TO WORK FROM THERE. AND THEY'RE WORKING ON THE ISLAND AND THEY'RE FULFILLING THOSE HOURLY JOBS, THOSE HOURLY WAGED POSITIONS. SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S, YOU'RE NOT ONLY PROVIDING, YOU KNOW, I, I UNDERSTAND HOW THE WORD DORMITORY KIND OF CAN HAVE A PEJORATIVE MEANING, BUT IT'S REALLY MORE OF PROVIDING STUDENTS A PLACE TO LIVE WHILE THEY LEARN AND WORK. IT'S, IT'S JUST A FANTASTIC OPPORTUNITY ALL THE WAY AROUND. AND I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT, THAT YOU HAVE THAT I'M AVAILABLE TO ANSWER. UM, THE FINANCIAL EXECUTIVE CHANCELLOR, SHE WAS NOT ABLE TO COME TODAY CUZ SHE HAD CAR TROUBLE. SO, AND I THINK WE ALL HAD CAR TROUBLE GETTING HERE, BUT THAT'S OKAY. WE'RE HERE NOW. SO WHAT, IS THERE SOMETHING I CAN ADDRESS FOR YOU PERHAPS TAMMY HAVE GREAT, ANY QUESTIONS? SURE. UM, THANK YOU FIRST OF ALL AND WELCOME. THANK YOU. UM, JUST GENERAL NUMBERS IN TERMS OF HOW, UM, THE U S C B CAMPUSES, UM, FUNCTIONING HERE ON THE ISLAND. ANTICIPATED NUMBER OF FULL ENROLLMENT. OKAY, SO AT OUR, IN THE, IN THE HEYDAY SO TO SPEAK, WE HAD CLOSE TO 200 STUDENTS. MM-HMM. , THAT NUMBER IS CONSIDERED, YOU KNOW, MARGINAL WHEN IT COMES TO, UM, PROGRAMS THAT HAVE, THAT ARE SPECIFICALLY DIRECTED IN HOSPITALITY MANAGEMENT. AT CURRENTLY, WE, WE HAVE 98 STUDENTS ENROLLED. HALF OF THOSE ARE JUNIORS AND SENIORS, WHICH HAVE CLASS HERE ON THE ISLAND. THE FRESHMEN AND SOPHOMORES GENERALLY TAKE ALL OF THEIR COURSES IN BLUFFTON BECAUSE THOSE ARE THEIR GENERAL EDUCATION REQUIREMENTS. SO THAT'S THE ENGLISH, THE MATH, THE SCIENCE, THAT KIND OF STUFF. HISTORY. WE DON'T WANT ANY OF THAT OUT HERE. NO, I'M TEASING. UM, WE, WE WANNA KEEP IT TO, TO THE COOL STUFF, RIGHT? SO WE HAVE ABOUT 50 STUDENTS THAT ARE COMING ON AND OFF THAT THE CAMPUS RIGHT NOW. AND SOME ARE PERFECTLY FINE WITH A COMMUTE. THEY CARPOOL, THEY ALL COME AT ONE TIME AND THEN GO BACK TO BLUFFTON IN ONE CAR AND LE LEAVING CARS HERE, THEY BICYCLE TO, TO THEIR WORK, I MEAN, TO, TO THEIR JOBS. THEY WALK TO, TO THEIR JOBS. THEY'RE PRETTY SAVVY WHEN IT COMES TO THAT. UM, YOU KNOW, THERE'S JUST, THERE'S ROOM FOR MORE THAT, THAT BUILDING IS NOT AT CAPACITY AND IT'S, IT NEEDS TO BE. AND IT'S, IS THERE A, IS THERE TRACKING OF HOW MANY OF THOSE STUDENTS ARE ACTUALLY WORKING AND EMPLOYED? UM, WHEN THEY'RE NOT IN CLASS ON HILTON HOOD? I WOULD, HOW MANY ARE LIVING ON THE ISLAND OR? NO, JUST WORKING. OH, JUST WORKING. MM-HMM. , I, IF I WENT RIGHT NOW AND TOOK A, TOOK A SURVEY, I WOULD SAY 75%. I KNOW THERE ARE A GOOD NUMBER OF STUDENT ATHLETES THAT CAN ONLY COME LIKE TWO DAYS A WEEK BECAUSE THEY HAVE PRACTICES AND WHATNOT, AND IT'S TO THEIR BENEFIT TO LIVE IN BLUFFTON MM-HMM. . UM, AND THEY MAKE SPECIAL TRIPS OUT HERE FOR US FOR, FOR THEIR, FOR THEIR PASSION. UM, THESE KIDS HAVE A HEART FOR, FOR SERVICE THAT THEY WANNA BE HERE, THEY WANT TO WORK HERE. IT'S JUST NOT ALWAYS. AND THE CLASS OFFERINGS, UM, CURRENTLY AT U S C B, WHAT ARE, HOW, WHAT DOES THAT SCHEDULE LOOK LIKE THAT ARE RELEVANT TO THOSE MAYBE JUNIORS AND SENIORS AND ARE, ARE THERE ANY FOR THE LOWERCLASSMEN? SO AS THE MAKER OF THE SCHEDULE, , SO I GET, I GET TO CREATE THE SCHEDULE THAT'S VERY FLEXIBLE. HOWEVER, AT THIS CURRENT TIME, WE OFFER COURSES MONDAY THROUGH THURSDAY FROM 9:00 AM TO 3:00 PM AND THEY'RE, UM, LIKE MONDAY, WEDNESDAY, TUESDAY, THURSDAY, UM, 75 MINUTE COURSES. AND SO THEY GENERALLY MEET WITH THREE DIFFERENT PROFESSORS. WE HAVE A QUANTITY FOOD PRODUCTION COURSE GOING NOW THAT ONLY MEETS ON MONDAYS, BUT IT'S A FOUR HOUR COURSE WHERE THEY'RE COOKING FOR FIF FOR 50 PEOPLE. AND THEN THE REMAINING STUDENTS, FACULTY AND STAFF THAT ARE IN THE BUILDING, WE GET TO EAT LUNCH, YOU KNOW, EAT WHAT, WHAT THEY PRE PREPARE. THANK YOU FOR THOSE GENERAL QUESTIONS ABOUT HOW THE UNIVERSITY IS FUNCTIONING HERE. WHAT I WOULD ASK AND MAYBE, UM, WE'D GET AN OPPORTUNITY IN THE VERY NEAR FUTURE. I'D LOVE TO COME OVER AND SEE HOW, HOW THINGS ARE HA UM, HAPPENING THERE NOW. WOULD LOVE THAT. NEXT QUESTION I KNOW THAT HAVE RELEVANT TO THIS PROJECT IS IN TERMS OF A HOUSING DORMITORY FOR STUDENTS TAKING CLASSES HERE, UM, AT OUR CAMPUS AND U AT U S C B CAMPUS, EMES, HOW DOES THIS FIT INTO THE BIGGER SCOPE OF HOUSING AVAILABLE [02:05:01] IN TERMS OF WHAT THE COST MIGHT BE TO A STUDENT? I'M HESITANT TO TALK ABOUT, TO TALK TO COST BECAUSE I KNOW THAT THOSE DISCUSSIONS HAVE TAKEN PLACE OUTSIDE OF MY PURVIEW. MM-HMM. , UM, I'M, I'M AN ACADEMIC MM-HMM. , SO I'M, I'M NOT A BUDGETING PERSON. HOWEVER, I DO KNOW THAT OUR HOUSING THAT WE OFFER OUR STUDENTS IN BLUFFTON AND IN BEAUFORT ARE TOP IN THE NATION. YOU KNOW, WE, THAT'S ONE OF OUR SELLING POINTS IS THAT WE HAVE THESE FANTASTIC DORMS. I LIVED IN ONE FOR SIX MONTHS NOW. I WAS READY TO GET OUT BECAUSE I HAD THE SOCCER COACH AND HIS ENTIRE FAMILY OVER MY HEAD. AND, UM, YOU KNOW, I'M TOO OLD FOR THAT. BUT THAT'S BESIDE THE POINT. IT'S A BEAUTIFUL DORM. YOU KNOW, THEY, WE HAVE, OUR STUDENTS SEEM TO BE VERY HAPPY THERE. THEY HAVE VERY FEW, UM, DISRUPTIONS IN TERMS OF LOTS OF, YOU KNOW, STUFF THAT COLLEGE KIDS CAN GET INTO. SO I GUESS THE, THE RELEVANT POINT IS I WOULD GO BACK TO WHAT THE SIX 30 DAY REQUEST IS. I'D LIKE TO KNOW WHAT IT IS ELSE. IS THERE A DIFFERENT SCALE FOR THE DORMITORY? HOW FED THAT FITS INTO FINANCIAL AID AND HOW THE BUDGETING FOR A COLLEGE EDUCATION WORKS? BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY IF THIS DORMITORY BUILDING IS MEANT FOR THOSE 64 STUDENTS WHO WOULD BE ABLE TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF IT, I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT PLAYS CORRECTLY. RIGHT? WELL, IT, IT WOULD BE PART OF THEIR, IT WOULD BE PART OF THEIR TUITION. I WOULD NOT THINK, THINK THAT THERE WOULD BE A SIGNIFICANT INCREASE OR DECREASE. I THINK IT WOULD BE STRAIGHT IN LINE WITH WHAT THE UNIVERSITY CHARGES FOR HOUSING. AND I JUST WOULD LOVE TO SEE THAT ANALYSIS. THANK YOU. SURE. AND ALSO WITH ROOM AND BOARD IS A FOOD PLAN, WHICH THEY WOULD NOT HAVE HERE UNLESS, UNLESS THERE WAS SOME KIND OF DEAL WITH, WITH THE RESTAURANT OR NO, THEY COULD EAT AT SURGE ALL THE TIME. YEAH. OH, AND RILEY'S YES. I WAS GONNA SAY, I DON'T WANNA SPEAK FOR, FOR THE SURGE GROUP, BUT WHAT ELSE CAN I, WHAT ELSE CAN I HELP YOU WITH? ANY QUESTIONS OF DR. SMITH? YOU MAY NOT BE ABLE TO SPEAK TO THIS, BUT ONE OF THE THINGS CONCERNS THAT I HAVE IS WHETHER OR NOT THE PARKING EASEMENT IS A PERMANENT EASEMENT. UM, IF THERE WERE TO BE SOME CHANGE IN THE USE OF THE BUILDING BY U S C B, WOULD THESE PROPER, THESE NEW BUILDINGS AND THEIR RESIDENTS STILL BE ABLE TO PARK THERE? AND SO IT'S A QUESTION OF IS IT A PERMANENT EASEMENT? AND IF YOU DON'T KNOW, KNOW, IT'S FINE TO SAY YOU DON'T KNOW. I DON'T KNOW. BUT I, I WOULD HATE TO THINK ABOUT THIS BUILDING BEING USED FOR ANYTHING BUT THE ACADEMIC. NOW, OF COURSE, IT'S USED FOR CONFERENCING CONVENTION SPACE, SOME, SOME NOW, BUT IN TERMS OF US NOT BEING THERE AS AN AD, AS AN EDUCATIONAL, UM, OPPORTUNITY, I, I, I, I SHIVERED TO EVEN THINK ABOUT THAT. I CAN ASSURE YOU THE TOWN FEELS EXACTLY THE SAME WAY. YEAH. I MEAN, WE WANT IT TO GROW, BUT THERE ARE CHANGES THAT GO ON, OF COURSE. UM, ARE THERE VACANCIES IN THE DORMITORIES IN BLUFFTON? VERY FEW. VERY, VERY FEW. THERE ARE, AND I KNOW THAT THE, AND THE ONLY REASON I KNOW THIS IS BECAUSE THE HOUSING PERSON WHO DOES THIS WALKS MY DOG. UM, AND SHE TOLD ME THAT THEY'RE GONNA PUT SEVERAL DORMS, GONNA MAKE THEM GO DARK SO THAT THEY CAN UPDATE THEM. UM, SOME OF THEM ARE 20 YEARS OLD, SO THEY'RE GONNA, YOU KNOW, WORK, WORK ON THOSE IN TERMS OF SOME STRUCTURAL ISSUES AND SOME, YOU KNOW, AC THAT KIND OF THING. UM, BEAUFORT IS PACKED. THE BEAUFORT CAMPUS, THERE ARE NO VACANCIES AT ALL. UM, THEY'RE, THEY'RE DYING FOR SOMETHING OVER THERE. AND I'M THINKING, YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO HAVE THAT SAME PROBLEM. SURE. UH, YOU MENTIONED THAT THERE ARE ABOUT 98 STUDENTS IN THE HOSPITALITY PROGRAM. YES. UH, ARE MANY OF THOSE STUDENTS STUDYING ONLINE RATHER THAN BEING ALIVE IN THE CLASSROOM? NO. NO. WE, I, I AM. I LOVE ONLINE EDUCATION, AND THERE'S DEFINITELY A PLACE FOR ONLINE LEARNING. I, I GET IT. UM, I WAS DEVELOPING ONLINE COURSES BACK IN 2000 WHEN IT WASN'T COOL TO BE ONLINE. HOWEVER, HOSPITALITY AND TEACHING PEOPLE ABOUT SERVICE, TEACHING PEOPLE ABOUT, UM, DEALING WITH PEOPLE, THOSE KIND OF PEOPLE SKILLS IS HARD TO, TO DO IN AN ONLINE MODALITY. SO YES, WE HAVE STUDENTS THAT ARE, THAT ARE IN HOSPITALITY THROUGH THE PALMETTO COLLEGE, WHICH IS OUR AGREEMENT WITH THE MOTHERSHIP, YOU KNOW, USC AND COLUMBIA, AND WE GET 15, 20 STUDENTS, BUT THEY ARE NOT, THEY'RE NOT CONSIDERED, THEY'RE NOT CONSIDERED IN THIS NUMBER. WHAT I WOULD LOVE TO DO IS HAVE THOSE [02:10:01] STUDENTS DO INTERNSHIPS IN OUR AREA, IN THIS, ON THE ISLAND IN THE SUMMER, AND THEN WE COULD HOUSE THEM EITHER IN BLUFFTON OR SHOULD WE BE FORTUNATE ENOUGH TO HAVE THIS HOUSING? THEY COULD, THEY COULD. SO THOSE ONLINE STUDENTS ARE NOT COUNTED IN THE 98 THAT YOU SAID ARE IN THE PROGRAM? NO, SIR. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. THANK YOU. UM, IN THE INTEREST OF TIME, UH, I'M GOING TO TRY TO SHACKLE THE FOUR OF US TO BRIEFER COMMENTS, UH, CURIOUS MINDS WANT TO KNOW AND ASK QUESTIONS. UH, DO YOU NEED ME? UH, THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MUCH, DR. SMITH. HE SHOULD SAY, YES, WE NEED YOU, BUT WE DON'T HAVE TO SAY ANYTHING ELSE TO SAY. ALL RIGHT. UH, WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO IS MOVE ON TO SORT OF FINAL COMMENTS BY, UH, THE PUBLIC PLANNING COMMITTEE. TAMMY, WOULD YOU LIKE TO LEAD OFF? UM, SURE. SO, UM, PROBABLY NOT UNEXPECTED IN ADDITION TO THE, UM, QUESTIONS THAT I HAVE, UM, IN TERMS OF HOW THIS REALLY FILLS A NEED FOR WORKFORCE WITHOUT IT BEING CLEARLY STATED AS AN OFFERING. UM, AND SO WE KNOW, UM, THAT'S A PROBLEM FOR ME. UM, I LOVE THE, I SHOULD PROBABLY START WITH POSITIVES. I LOVE THE IDEA OF REDEVELOPMENT ON THE ISLAND. THESE BUILDINGS, THESE AREAS THAT HAVE NOT BEEN CONTINUALLY USED OR BLIGHTED, THAT TYPE OF WORK NEEDS TO BE DONE. SO I WELCOME THAT. UM, I WOULD LOVE TO HEAR THE ANALYSIS OF THE, UM, TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDY THAT Y'ALL DID. UM, AND THEN SEE WHERE, UM, WE MIGHT NEED TO OR WANT TO LOOK FURTHER, UM, ON OUR OWN. AND THAT'S NOT TO SAY THAT YOURS ISN'T WONDERFUL. UM, WE ARE JUST IN A POSITION ACROSS THE ISLAND. WE'RE TAKING THAT EXTRA STEP AND LOOKING AT THINGS, UM, FROM OUR OWN, UM, IS STARTING TO MAKE SENSE. UM, THERE IS SOMETHING I CAN'T GET PAST, AND I'M GONNA TRY, UM, TO, TO MAKE IT AS, THERE'S ONE THING THAT I CAN'T GET PAST, AND THIS WON'T BE SURPRISE TO ANYONE IN THE ROOM. THE, FOR THE MOVE FROM A 45 FOOT TALL BUILDING TO 55 FOOT TALL, AND GRANTED THE ROOF LINE DOES LOOK MUCH NICER, BUT IF YOU WANT A NICE ROOF LINE, MAKE A SMALLER BUILDING AND BUILD IT. UM, I, I, I WILL NOT ENCOURAGE OR VOTE FOR, UM, ANYTHING THAT RAISES THE HEIGHT ON THE ISLAND. UM, WE'VE SEEN THOSE EXAMPLES THAT WERE PROVIDED ON THE SLIDES WHEN STAFF MADE THEIR PRESENTATION, THAT IT IS NOT WITHIN THE CHARACTER OF THE ISLAND. IT DOESN'T BELONG HERE, AND WE SHOULD STOP THAT PRACTICE PERIOD. AND SO, UM, I KNOW THAT OTHERS WILL PROBABLY PICK UP ON SOME OF THE THINGS THAT, UM, I AM, UM, HAVE ON MY LIST OF CONCERNS, BUT THAT IS A NON-STARTER. UM, I, IF NO ONE DOES PICK UP ON THOSE THINGS, I'LL, I'LL STOP SHORT SO THAT OTHERS GET THEIR OPPORTUNITY. UM, BUT IF THEY DON'T, I'M ASKING TO BE ABLE TO REVISIT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. UH, THANKS TO THE STAFF AND THE APPLICANT FOR ALL THE INFORMATION TODAY. AND, AND I DID SIT ON ALL, I THINK IT WAS A PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING WHERE I LOOKED AT THIS PROJECT BEFORE AND APPRECIATE SOME OF THE, UH, ADDITIONAL INFORMATION AND SOME OF THE REVISIONS. UM, GENERALLY I LIKE IT. I'LL JUST TELL YOU THAT, UM, BECAUSE OF THE FOLLOWING. I LIKE THAT IT ADDRESSES WORKFORCE. UM, I LIKE THAT THERE PARTNERSHIPS INVOLVED. SURGE U S C B. I LIKE THAT IT FAVORS MIXED USE. I LIKE THAT IT'S A WALKABLE COMMUNITY. UM, WHEN I, WHEN I LOOK AT WORKFORCE HOUSING, I THINK I, I THINK OF OUR NODES AROUND THE ISLAND. UM, AND THAT IS, WE ARE THE COMMERCIAL NODES WHERE FOLKS COULD LIVE AND WORK. UM, AND, AND I'M, I'M REALLY HEARTENED TO HEAR, UH, MR. COHEN TALK ABOUT, UH, DISTRICT ZONING CONCEPT, CUZ I'M HOLDING UP THE MID ISLAND DISTRICT AND, AND LOOKING AT THE KIND OF, UH, REQUIREMENTS FOR MIXED USE WITHIN THERE. UM, IT ALSO HAS HEIGHT LIMITATIONS AND ALSO DENSITY LIMITATIONS. SO I LIKE SOME OF THE CONCEPTS IN HERE, AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT I HEAR STAFF SAYING IS THAT, UH, PERHAPS WE COULD, UH, MAKE SOME TWEAKS, UH, TO THIS IDEA IN LINE WITH SOME SORT OF DISTRICT IDEA. UM, BECAUSE, UM, WELL, LEMME GO THROUGH THE REST OF MY LIKES, . I DO, I JOINED MS. BECKER IN TALKING ABOUT REDEVELOPMENT OF SPACE. WE HAVE COMMERCIAL AND OFFICE SPACE ON THE ISLAND THAT WE'D LIKE TO SEE REUSE OR REDEVELOP, WHATEVER THE TERM IS. UM, I LIKE SHARED PARKING. I LIKE THAT. UM, THERE'S, UH, LESS IMPERVIOUS SPACE, UM, AND, UH, RESPECT OF, UH, THE EXISTING, UM, TREE CANOPY AND OTHER LANDSCAPING ON THE SITE. SO I LIKE THAT MR. SIMPLE [02:15:01] ARCH, UH, LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT. UM, THE CONCERNS THAT I HAVE, UM, IS THAT THIS IS KIND OF A ONE-OFF, IF YOU WILL. UM, YOU KNOW, IT IS GREAT FOR THIS AREA. I DO LIKE THAT. UH, AS I SAID, I USED TO LIVE IN THIS AREA. I LOVED WALKING DOWN THERE. IT, IT WAS WHAT I CONSIDERED PART OF MY LARGE WALKABLE COMMUNITY. UM, BUT, UM, WHAT I'M, WHAT I WOULD LIKE FOR US TO LOOK AT IS, COULD THIS BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD NOT ONLY BE USED WITHIN THE SEA PINES DISTRICT, BUT COULD BE REPLICATED OTHER PLACES? SO, UH, PROXIMITY TO OTHER KIND OF USES. UM, LIKE, UH, HERE, IT'S, IT'S AN EDUCATION USE. MAYBE THERE ARE OTHER PLACES ON THE ISLAND WHERE IT WOULD FIT FOR EDUCATION USES BEING NEARBY, UM, BECAUSE WE DO HAVE A NEED FOR WORKFORCE HOUSING FOR OUR TEACHERS. UM, ALSO HOSPITAL AREA, UM, AND ANY OTHER KIND OF AREA, ANY OTHER KIND OF USES LIKE THAT. SO EXPAND IT BEYOND EDUCATION USE. SO IT COULD BE REPLICATED. UM, I, I DO LIKE HAVING DENSITY CONTROL. YOU'VE HEARD ME SAY THAT I HAVE A GREAT CONCERN ABOUT THE MASS AND SCALE AND HEIGHT AND DENSITY OF BUILDINGS. SO I, I WANT US TO, UM, DO SOMETHING ABOUT THAT. UM, AND THEN ALSO, UM, TYING TO THE DEFINITION AS THE STAFF HAD RECOMMENDED OF WORKFORCE HOUSING AND THE PERCENTAGE. UM, ALSO, UM, AS I SAID, I LIKE SHARED PARKING. UH, MR. STANFORD ASKED ABOUT IS THERE A PARKING EASEMENT THAT WOULD BE, UH, PROVIDED, BUT SOME SORT OF, UM, I THINK ANYTIME WE HAVE SHARED PARKING, WHICH I, AS I SAID, I DO ENCOURAGE THAT A TIE TO SORT OF A FALLBACK PLAN. WHAT IF THE, UH, THE SHARED PARKING AGREEMENT FALLS APART, THEN HOW WOULD THAT, UH, USE STILL COMPLY WITH THE PARKING REQUIREMENT? SO SOME SORT OF FALLBACK, WHATEVER THAT MIGHT BE. UM, UH, THE HEIGHT, UM, I JOINED MS. BECKER. I, I, I, I, I DO NOT LIKE THE HEIGHT INCREASE. UM, I THINK, UM, AND I APPRECIATE, UH, THE SIMPLE ARCHITECT, UM, DESCRIBING, UH, THAT'S WHY I ASK ABOUT THE SLOPE, UH, BECAUSE WHAT I'D HEARD BEFORE WAS A FLAT ROOF, WHICH I DON'T PARTICULARLY LIKE. UM, BUT I THINK, UH, BUILDING DESIGNS, THERE'S A NUMBER OF THINGS ON THE FACADE THAT COULD IMPROVE THE APPEARANCE AND STILL STAY WITHIN THE HEIGHT. I APPRECIATE THAT. UM, THERE'S NO MORE, UM, DWELLING SPACE WITHIN THE EXTRA 10 FEET. UM, BUT, UH, I'VE SEEN SOME MASSIVE ROOFS. UM, I, I'M NOT AN ARCHITECT, SO I CAN'T TALK ABOUT WHAT THE APPROPRIATE DESIGN ON THE ISLAND IS, DEFER THAT TO OTHER FOLKS. UM, BUT, UM, I THINK THERE'S OTHER WAYS TO ADDRESS THE ARCHITECTURAL FEEL OF THE BUILDING RATHER THAN INCREASING BY 10 FEET. UM, SO I, I WOULD NOT APPRECIATE THAT. UM, THOSE I THINK ARE MY LIST OF CONCERNS AT THIS POINT. I'D LIKE TO SEE MORE WORKED ON IT. THANK YOU. GOOD COMMENTS, MS. BECK. THANK YOU, SIR. UM, ONE OF THE BEES, YEAH, , I, I HAVE SOME COMMENTS, AND THEN WE NEED TO HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS, AND THEN I'LL HAVE A MOTION THAT I WOULD LIKE TO PRESENT. GO AHEAD, MR. CHAIRMAN. I THINK THIS IS A CREATIVE IDEA, AND I SALUTE YOU FOR BEING CREATIVE ABOUT IT. WE ARE CONCERNED ABOUT MAJOR PRIORITIES OF THE TOWN, AND IT'S DIFFICULT TO GET THOSE TWO THINGS TO MERGE TOGETHER. SO I WOULD SAY THAT MIXED USE IS SOMETHING THAT WE NEED MORE OF ON THIS ISLAND, AND THIS IS A WAY TO PROMOTE MIXED USE. SO I SALUTE YOU FOR THAT. I SEE THIS BEING DEPENDENT ON THE CONTINUED USE, UH, OF THE ADJACENT BUILDING BY U S C B. UH, I EXPRESSED A MOMENT AGO A CONCERN ABOUT THE NATURE OF THE PARKING EASEMENT. IT NEEDS TO BE A PERMANENT EASEMENT IN ORDER FOR THIS TO ACTUALLY WORK. I'VE HAD DISCUSSIONS WITH THE DEVELOPER HERE ABOUT WORKFORCE HOUSING. UH, WE NEED TO HAVE A COMMITMENT AS TO THE AMOUNT OF WORKFORCE HOUSING AND HOW THAT WOULD BE DEFINED IN ORDER FOR THIS TO MOVE FORWARD. WE HAVE STATED THAT IT'S A PRIORITY IN MULTI-FAMILY DEVELOPMENTS, THAT THERE BE SOME, HOPEFULLY MORE, UH, WORKFORCE HOUSING AVAILABILITY THERE. SO I'LL LOOK FOR THAT COMING FORWARD AS, AS WE'RE GOING, UH, FORWARD. I'LL BE HONEST IN SAYING I DO NOT UNDERSTAND UNDEFINED DENSITY IN A LAND USE, IT, IT, IT MISSES SOMETHING IN ME. SO I NEED SOME EDUCATION, UH, IN THAT. UM, I TOO AM CONCERNED ABOUT 55 FEET. UM, SO WE NEED TO SEE, SEE WHAT A BUILDING WOULD LOOK LIKE IN ORDER FOR US TO BE ABLE TO MOVE IT FORWARD AND APPROVE IT. I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU HAVE LEFT SOME LETTERS WITH US FROM EMPLOYERS. IT IS GOING TO BE VITAL AND INDISPENSABLE TO ME TO SEE A MAJOR COMMITMENT FROM EMPLOYERS TO LEASE ON A LONG-TERM BASIS, A SIGNIFICANT PORTION OF THESE UNITS. IF THOSE VARIOUS CONDITIONS CAN BE MET, I'LL BE LOOKING AT IT WITH AN OPEN MIND. BUT THOSE ARE THINGS THAT NEED TO BE RESOLVED FROM [02:20:01] MY POINT OF VIEW. THANK YOU, DAVID. THANK YOU, GLENN. MR. DESPAIN AND I STARTED TALKING ABOUT THIS A YEAR AGO OR SO. UM, IT'S, IT'S A SLOW PROCESS, I THINK THAT I SAID TO MR. DESPAIN IN OUR FIRST MEETING, IF IT'S WORKFORCE HOUSING, I'M GONNA BEND OVER BACKWARDS TO MAKE IT WORK. UM, I'M NOT AT A POINT, UM, TO SAY THAT I PERCEIVE THIS AS WORKFORCE HOUSING, UNLESS THERE'S SOME UNDERLYING GUARANTEES, BUSINESS SUBSIDIES, WHATEVER, THAT BRING IT INTO SORT OF MY CONCEPT OF WHAT WORKFORCE HOUSING IS. HOWEVER, BECAUSE WE HAVE BEEN WORKING ON THIS ISLAND IN A PUBLIC-PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP, I HAVE LEARNED THAT SOME OF THE SALARIES THAT PEOPLE ARE GETTING PAID TODAY WOULD IN FACT BE ABLE TO AFFORD SOMETHING HIGHER THAN I WOULD'VE ANTICIPATED A YEAR AGO. SO, I, I CAN LEARN ABOUT THAT, AND I THINK THAT'S GOING TO BE SOMETHING IMPORTANT FOR COUNCIL TO CONSIDER. WHEN COUNCIL LOOKS AT A ZONING, THIS ISN'T, THIS ISN'T REZONING, THIS IS AN ADD-ON, BUT I'M GONNA CALL A ZONING ISSUE. IT IS RESPONSIBLE FOR ASKING THE QUESTION, IS THIS IN, UH, IN ALIGNMENT WITH THE BROADER COMMUNITY VISION OR GOALS? ARE THERE AN UNINTENDED RISKS? AND IT REALLY IS UP TO US TO ASK THE QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT. AND THEN SORT OF AT THE POLITICAL SENTIMENTS, AND I THINK ALL THREE OF THOSE ARE IN PLAY IN THIS PARTICULAR SITUATION. I CHALLENGE THE PREMISE OF THIS BEING TIED. REALLY, THE PREMISE IS THAT U S C B IS CRUCIAL TO THIS MOVING FORWARD BECAUSE IT IS TIED IN THE LANGUAGE OF THE AMENDMENT THAT IT HAS TO BE WITHIN 500 FEET OR A THOUSAND FEET OF A, AN EDUCATIONAL FACILITY. AND I, I GO ALONG WITH WHAT GLENN IS, AT LEAST HYPOTHE HYPOTHESIZING. AND THAT IS, UM, RISK. WHAT IF U S C B ISN'T THERE? WHAT HAPPENS TO OTHER PIECES OF GROUND? UH, DOES THAT DISIN, UH, DISALLOW ANY FUTURE DEVELOPMENT AND SO ON? SO I THINK THE, THE PREMISE, UM, IS CHALLENGABLE. BUT I DO AGREE THAT THE LOCATION MAKES SENSE FOR HOUSING FOR ALL THE VARIETY OF REASONS THAT THESE TWO COMPETENT PROFESSIONALS HAVE CITED. I AM GOING TO OBJECT TO US CB'S PARKING LOT BEING USED AS SHARED PARKING ON THE BASIS. IT'S A POLITICAL, IT'S A PUBLIC FACILITY THAT, IF SAD TO SAY THE UNIVERSITY MADE THE DECISION NOT TO CONTINUE USING THAT FACILITY, IT WOULD BE A FACILITY THAT THE TOWN WOULD OWN. AND I DON'T THINK IT IS WISE FOR THIS COUNCIL TO JEOPARDIZE THE ULTIMATE USE OR FLEXIBILITY OF THAT CAMPUS BY PARTICIPATING IN A SHARED PARKING ARRANGEMENT ON THAT PROPERTY. I'M NOT AGAINST CHAR SHARED PARKING FOR THE REASONS THAT MS. BRYSON MENTIONED, BUT ON A PUBLIC FACILITY THAT THE TOWN COULD CONCEIVABLY TAKE ON. I, I'M, I'M SAYING THAT'S BAD, WOULD BE A BAD PRACTICE. UH, WE'VE SPOKEN ABOUT HEIGHT, UH, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT WORKFORCE COMPONENT, UH, 500 FEET OR A THOUSAND FEET. I LOOK AT THE MAP THAT WAS PUT UP THERE, AND I SEE 500 FEET, AND I RESPECTFULLY DISAGREE WITH MR. HAMMETT. IT SMELLS, IT LOOKS LIKE SPOT ZONING TO ME. NOW. I'M NOT GONNA CHALLENGE IT, BUT, BUT IT, THERE'S, THERE'S, THERE'S SOMETHING ABOUT 500 FEET. AND YOU SEE THAT CIRCLE, WHO IS IT BENEFITING? YOU MAKE IT OUT TO A THOUSAND FEET, AND YOU'VE COMPLICATED IT FOR ANOTHER REASON, . AND THAT IS THE UNINTENDED RISK OF OTHER [02:25:01] DEVELOPERS NOT RETAINING THE RESPONSIBILITY RESPONSIBLE DEVELOP, UH, PROFESSIONALS YOU HAVE. BUT WE HAVE SEEN IT IN OTHER PLACES ON THIS ISLAND WHERE WE INTENDED SOMETHING TO HAPPEN IN OUR LMO AND IT DIDN'T HAPPEN. AND WE NEED TO ANTICIPATE THAT UNINTENDED RISK. SO THE THOUSAND FEET IS SOMETHING THAT I'M LEERY OF. THE 500 FEET IS A DIFFERENT MATTER. I SAID CHICKEN AND EGG. WE ARE TALKING ABOUT A TEXT AMENDMENT, AND WE HAVE SEEN A SITE PLAN THAT, THAT, UM, SITES, UH, OR, OR EMPHASIZES, UH, QUALITY DESIGN, SENSITIVE PLANNING, AND SO ON AND SO FORTH. THERE'S, THERE'S NO GUARANTEE THAT I CAN ACCEPT TODAY THAT THE NEXT DEVELOPER TRYING TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THIS TEXT AMENDMENT WILL DO THE SAME THING. WE NEED TIME IN THIS COMMUNITY TO UNDERSTAND WHAT OUR VISION OF A DISTRICT IS. AND ALTHOUGH I AM CONCEPTUALLY IN AGREEMENT THAT HOUSING COULD BELONG HERE, I'M NOT AT THE POINT THAT THE OTHER ASPECTS OF THIS PROJECT MAKE SENSE. UM, I'LL, I'LL TRY TO END UP HERE, BUT SEVERAL YEARS AGO, THERE WAS MASTER PLANNING DONE ON THE ISLAND IN SEVERAL DIFFERENT PLACES. AND THIS WAS AN AREA THAT WAS MASTER PLANT, AND IT SHOWED INCREDIBLE AMOUNT OF INTERCONNECTIVITY BETWEEN PARCELS OF GROUND IN THIS AREA. I DON'T SEE IT IN THIS PLAN, AND I KNOW YOU'RE NOT AT THAT POINT, BUT I'M SENSITIVE TO THAT GOING FORWARD. SO THESE ARE THINGS THAT ARE ON MY MIND, AND I AM HOPEFUL AND OPTIMISTIC THAT BY TAKING A LITTLE BIT OF TIME, WE CAN GET CLOSER. I DO NOT LIKE THE FEELING OF TRYING TO PUT A SQUARE PEG IN A ROUND HOLE. I THINK WE CAN ROUND OUT THE SQUARENESS TO GET TO A PLACE WHERE IT MAKES SENSE, BOTH FOR THE DEVELOPER AND THE COMMUNITY. IS THERE A MO OH, UH, WE COMMENT, UH, YEAH, BUT MAKE THE MOTION FIRST AND THEN HAVE THE PUBLIC COMMENT, PLEASE. MR. CHAIRMAN, I WOULD MOVE THAT, UH, THE PUBLIC PLANNING COMMITTEE DEFER ACTION UNTIL ADDITIONAL INFORMATION RELATING TO THE MASSING AND SCALE ASSESSMENT OF TRAFFIC, PARKING, INTENSITY OF USE, INCLUDING A 3D MODEL OR ELEVATIONS COORDINATED THROUGH STAFF AND THE APPLICANT BE BROUGHT BACK FOR CONSIDERATION IN A 30 DAY TIMEFRAME. IS THERE A SECOND? UM, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO ADD TO THAT WONDERFUL MOTION. UM, THE REQUEST THAT I HAD WITH REGARD TO, UM, THE, THE, THE EXPECTED COST OF UNITS AND, AND AFFORDABILITY. OKAY. TO THOSE THAT THE INTENDED USER, I'LL ACCEPT THAT AMENDMENT. OKAY. THANK YOU. OKAY. THERE'S BEEN A MOTION, UH, PUBLIC COMMENT NOW, MR. BABEL, I SAW HIS HAND. FIRST. , HE'S TALLER THAN YOU ARE. GRAY. GOOD AFTERNOON. UM, FIRST OF ALL, UH, I AM AS A CITIZEN IN FAVOR OF THIS CONCEPT, UH, OF COMBINING SOMETHING FOR U S C B, SOMETHING FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING, AND SOMETHING FOR THE WORKFORCE. AND THE SECOND REASON I'M IN FAVOR IS WE HAVE TWO SOLID LOCAL TRUSTING ORGANIZATIONS THAT ARE WORKING ON THIS, JOSH AND HIS FOLKS, AND THE SURGE GROUP. BUT I WANT JUST FOR A MOMENT, TALK ABOUT SAFETY. THE PARKING PROBLEM. IT IS NOT GONNA BE A PROBLEM, BECAUSE IF IT'S LIKE ANYTHING ON CARDILLO PARKWAY, IT'S GONNA BE ON BICYCLES. AND IN 10 YEARS, THEY'RE ALL GONNA BE ON E-BIKES. THESE PEOPLE GO TO WORK IN THE MORNING WHEN IT'S DARK, AND THEY COME BACK OFTEN AT NIGHT. THINK ABOUT THAT AREA. WHEN YOU GO THROUGH IT, IT'S VERY DARK. AND I WATCH PEOPLE GOING ON OFFICE WAY, AND THEY LOOK AT TRAFFIC COMING OUT, CAR A CIRCLE. THEY CUT IN FRONT OF TRAFFIC, CUT ACROSS THE MEDIAN, AND THEY CUT THROUGH PEOPLE GOING ONTO CIRCLE. THAT'S THE WAY THEY'RE GONNA GET OUT OF THERE. OKAY? SO IT'S AN ISLAND. AND SO WE HAVE TO TAKE A LOOK AT THE FLOW OF TRAFFIC FOR THESE SOULS GETTING OUT OF THERE SO THEY CAN SAFELY GET TO AND FROM WORK. AND LATER ON IN THE DAY, [02:30:01] THERE'S GONNA BE ALCOHOL INVOLVED, YOU KNOW, AND THEY'RE GONNA BE, THAT'S A WINDY ROAD THROUGH THERE, WINDY ROAD AND LINE OF SIGHT ISSUES WHEN YOU GET PAST OFFICE PARK ROAD GETTING IN THERE. SO I THINK SOMEBODY NEEDS TO SIT DOWN WITH THESE FOLKS AND TAKE CARE OF THAT. THE SECOND THING THAT I, BUT IT'S GONNA ALLEVIATE THE PROBLEM OF PARKING, BECAUSE I DON'T THINK YOU'LL NEED AS MANY CAR PARKING SPOTS AS THAT. THE SECOND THING I WOULD ASK THAT YOU CONSIDER, AND I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE DO THIS BEFORE WE DO THIS, BECAUSE WE NORMALLY APPROVE THESE THINGS. IT'S BUILT, AND WE SAY, WHAT ARE WE GONNA DO WITH THE BIKES NOW? YOU KNOW? AND THEN WE HAVE TO BUILD A PATHWAY AND IT TAKES THREE YEARS. SO I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOMETHING DONE AND PLANNED AS A PART OF THIS DEAL. THE SECOND THING IS HOW THE THING LOOKS. WHAT TYPICALLY HAPPENS IS PEOPLE HAVE BIKES. SO THEY PUT BIKE RACKS UP. AND LOOK, FAST FORWARD ANOTHER SIX MONTHS, EIGHT MONTHS, WE HAVE BIKES STREWN ALL OVER THE PLACE. I WOULD RECOMMEND YOU PUT SHEDS IN AND MAKE THAT BE A PART OF THE PROJECT, OR PUT 'EM INSIDE THE FACILITY. YOU KNOW, PEOPLE WILL GO BY THERE OR ON THEIR WAY. THEY'RE, THEY'RE TOURISTS. WE DON'T WANT A BUNCH OF MICS STREWN ALL OVER A PLACE. I THINK IT'D BE ENHANCED THE PROPERTY TO PUT 'EM IN SHEDS, THE THINGS THAT ARE SIMILAR IN LIGHTHOUSE ROAD AND SEA PINES, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. OR PUT 'EM INSIDE LIKE AMSTERDAM. OKAY, THIS ISN'T AMSTERDAM, BUT SOMETHING THAT WOULD LOOK MORE ATTRACTIVE. IT WOULD NOT SEND A SIGNAL TO OUR TOURISTS. WELL, WE GOT A LOT OF BIKES, BUT GEEZ, THEY LOOK LIKE HELL. AND I SEE THAT EVERY MORNING AT KADI PARKWAY, AND I SEE IT AT NIGHT. THESE POOR SOULS. WE GIVE 'EM VESTS AND EVERYTHING ELSE, BUT THE VEST DISAPPEAR, AND THOSE SOULS ARE AT RISK. AND I'M AFRAID THERE'LL BE A LOT OF PEOPLE HERE. THEIR LIVES WILL BE AT RISK, AND WE NEED TO TAKE CARE OF IT BEFORE THIS THING GETS APPROVED AS OPPOSED TO LATER, AFTER THE FACT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU, MR. BALE. MR. SMITH, THANK YOU. UH, MY NAME IS GRACE SMITH. I LIVE AT 11 WELLERS CREEK WAY ON HILTON HEAD. AND, UH, I, I THINK I'M SORT OF PIGGYBACKING ON THE CONCERN THAT THIS GENTLEMAN HAD, AND THAT IS SECURITY. UH, DORMITORIES ARE USUALLY ASSOCIATED WITH COLLEGE AND UNIVERSITY CAMPUSES. UM, I HAD THE PRIVILEGE OF GOING, UH, TO, UH, COLLEGE AND LIVING FOR TWO YEARS IN A DORMITORY. AND THERE WAS CAMPUS SECURITY. AND, UH, I, I THINK IN, IN THIS AREA PARTICULARLY, UM, SECURITY'S GOING TO BE A FACTOR, UNFORTUNATELY. AND SOME PEOPLE, UM, LIKE TO SWEEP THIS UNDER THE RUG, BUT THERE'S CRIME ON HILTON HEAD ISLAND, AND A LOT OF THAT CRIME IS SITUATED IN RATHER CLOSE PROXIMITY TO THIS LOCATION. AND SO I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOME TYPE OF ASSURANCE OF WHO'S GONNA, WHO'S GONNA PAY FOR A SECURITY? IS IT GONNA BE THE COLLEGE? IS IT GONNA BE THE SURGE GROUP HIRING A SECURITY? OKAY, ENOUGH SAID. YOU GOT THE POINT. UM, OKAY. CAPACITY, UH, WE JUST SPENT TWO DAYS, AND I LOVE THAT. I LOVE THAT, UH, WORKSHOP. UH, BUT WE SPENT A, A, A LOT OF, UH, RECURRING CONCERNS ABOUT THE CAPACITY OF THIS ISLAND. I JUST, UH, SPECIFICALLY REFERRING TO THAT, AND I KNOW NOTHING ABOUT THIS TOPIC, BUT WHAT CAME INTO MY MIND WAS, UH, WHAT IS THE IMPACT OF THIS GR UM, UH, CONSTRUCTION ON LIMITED GROUNDWATER AND SEWERAGE RESOURCES? JUST WANTED TO BRING THAT UP. UH, CONTINUITY AND SUPPORT OF RENTAL. UM, I HAPPEN TO KNOW THAT THE, UH, RESTAURANT AND SERVICE BUSINESS HAS ABOUT A 75% TURNOVER RATE. SO SOMEBODY RENTS ONE OF THESE UNITS AND WORKS FOR SURGE, AND THEN THEY GO WORK IN CHARLESTON OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. AND THEY DO THAT AFTER THREE MONTHS, AND THEY JUST SAY, WELL, TOUGH. WE'RE OUTTA HERE. UM, HOW DOES THAT UNIT CONTINUE TO BE, UH, PAID FOR? OKAY. UH, AND THEN, UM, I ALSO HOPE THAT WORKFORCE HOUSING WOULD TRULY BE, UH, PROVIDED BECAUSE I THINK WE GOT SCREWED BY THE GARDENER ROAD MONSTROSITY. FIRST OF ALL, IT'S HUGE. AND, AND WE DON'T NEED THAT ANYMORE ON THE ISLAND. AND SECOND OF ALL, THEY HAD PROMISED, OH YEAH, WE'RE GONNA HAVE, YOU KNOW, VERY AFFORDABLE WORK FOR THOSE STARS. AND THEN YOU GO THERE AND LIKE, THE MINIMUM IS TWO TO THREE GRAND A MONTH. AND THAT, THAT'S, THEY SCREWED US. THEY SCREWED THE TOWN BY SAYING THEY WERE GONNA DO SOMETHING AND THEY DID SOMETHING ELSE. OKAY, FINAL ONE. UH, SO THAT'S JUST ANOTHER THING TO THINK ABOUT. UH, THE BUILDING HEIGHT, UH, MISSION CREEP, AGAIN, WE JUST SPENT TWO DAYS AND EVEN THE START OF THIS MEETING, WHICH I LOVED HEARING THE, THE RECOMMITMENT TO, UH, HILTON HEAD, AESTHETICS, ECOLOGY, ET CETERA. UH, IN INSTEAD, UM, [02:35:01] YOU KNOW, WE COULD HAVE MISSION CREEP HERE, UH, THIS, THIS EDIFICE COULD HAPPEN. AND THEN DOWN TOWARD CIG PLAZA, THERE COULD BE A REASON TO DO ANOTHER 55 FOOT BUILDING. AND ANOTHER SEVEN, YOU GUYS GET GOT IT. POINTS. THANK YOU. YES, PLEASE. YEP. I HAVE, MY NAME IS STEPHANIE MULLO. COME ON UP. HAVE ADDRESS US. THAT'S WHEN I'LL FREEZE DAVID. NO, YOU WON'T. WE'RE ALL FRIENDS HERE. YOUR NAME PLEASE. MY NAME IS STEPHANIE MULLO. UM, I STARTED A PROGRAM THREE YEARS AGO CALLED HILTON HEAD ISLAND STEWARDSHIP PROGRAM. AND I POURED MY HEART UNTIL INTO IT. UM, MR. AMES AND I, MY OFFICE WAS ACTUALLY IN THE BUILDING THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, MR. RILEY, I'M SO HAPPY TO SEE YOU HERE. WE HAVE ACTUALLY EXPERIENCED EVERYTHING THAT YOU ALL ARE TALKING ABOUT. AND PLEASE, PLEASE, ONLY THING I SEE THAT HAS NOT BEEN ADDRESSED, I'M SORRY. I CAN'T, CUZ I'LL START CRYING ANYWAY. LOOK AT YOU . YOU CAN LOOK AT THAT. THE ONLY THING THAT HAS NOT BEEN ADDRESSED IS, UM, MY COMPANY TO ADVOCATE FOR THE ACTUAL WORKFORCE HOUSE PEOPLE THEMSELVES, TO MAKE SURE THAT MR. RILEY'S OR WHOMEVER'S BUSINESS HAS QUALIFIED INDIVIDUALS THAT CAN AFFORD THE HOUSING. EVERYBODY'S TALKING ABOUT HOW IT WILL I IMPACT THIS AND THE LOOKS AND THE, THE SECURITY AND WHATNOT. IT'S, IT'S THERE. AND THE PEOPLE THAT WANT TO LIVE IN THESE HOUSES AND THE PEOPLE THAT NEED THESE PEOPLE TO LIVE IN THIS, THESE HOUSES, THEY NEED TO BE. AND YOU PUT IT IN YOUR, UM, LMA AT THE VERY BEGINNING WHEN YOU GUYS CREATED THE WORKFORCE HOUSING PROJECT THAT THE WORKFORCE HOUSING, IT'S ENTITLED TO THE SAME LUXURIES AND WHATEVER QUALITY. YEAH, THEY ARE GOING TO APPRECIATE THIS. IT WILL BE A GIFT AND I WOULD LIKE TO HELP FACILITATE THAT. I, MY PROPERTY MANAGER, IT'S JUST AMAZING. I CAME HERE TO SAY GOODBYE TO YOU. HEADED IT OFF. THANK. I THINK I MIGHT STICK GOOD. OKAY. THANK YOU. ARE THERE ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENTS? COME ON. FLASH FROM THE PAST. FLASH FROM THE PAST. NOW. COUNSEL, MY NAME IS JAY WENDELL. I AM THE GENERAL MANAGER AT THE BEACH HOUSE, ALSO A RESIDENT OF HILTON HEAD ISLAND PLANTATION. UM, MR. AMES, AS YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT WORKFORCE HOUSING FOR, UH, SINCE YOU FIRST CAME UP HERE. UM, AND SO IT'S BEEN OVER 10 YEARS, MR. STANFORD, I WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW THAT I CAN SPEAK TO MY PAST AND PRESENT LOOKING FOR HOUSING ON THIS ISLAND FOR MY ASSOCIATES. I'VE GOT, UH, IN A PAST LIFE HERE ON THE ISLAND, I HAD 60 H TWO BS ANNUALLY, UH, WAS ABLE TO FIND HOUSING. I HAD 20 J ONE, UH, ASSOCIATES THAT CAME FROM OVERSEAS TO LEARN OUR CULTURE, LEARN THE HOSPITALITY INDUSTRY THAT WE FOUND HOUSING FOR. THOSE OPPORTUNITIES ARE ALL GONE. WE'RE BUILDING ONE RIGHT NOW FOR 10 BEDS, OR I'M SORRY, 20 BEDS WORKING ON THE, UH, CONTRACT AS WE SPEAK FOR BEACH HOUSE. I'M ABOUT TO INVEST ABOUT 10 MILLION IN THE BACKYARD OF BEACH HOUSE. UM, THE IDEA IS THAT WE HELP MAKE OUR BUSINESS GROW AND OUR SERVICE LEVELS GROW THERE AT THE FACILITY. AND THAT IS GOING TO REQUIRE ME TO FIND FUTURE HOUSING. TYPICALLY. IN THE PAST, I'VE DONE FIVE YEAR CONTRACTS, MR. STANFORD. SO, UM, I, I CAN TELL YOU THAT THIS NEED IS THERE AND PRESENT. WHAT I LOVE IS THAT THIS IS ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE CIRCLE, RIGHT? THIS IS CLOSE TO MY FORMER RESORT. THIS IS CLOSE TO THE ACCESS TO MY CURRENT RESORT. THIS IS CLOSE TO THE PARKS, IT'S CLOSE TO RESTAURANTS AND FACILITIES. UM, I'D LIKE TO APPLAUD, UM, UH, THIS COMPANY AND THEIR VISION. THEY'RE TAKING PRIVATE INVESTMENT, WHICH IS SOMETHING WE HEARD A LOT ABOUT LONG TIME AGO. AND THEY'RE SPENDING AN AWFUL LOT OF MONEY TO COME IN AND DO WHAT OUR COMMUNITY NEEDS. AND THEY'RE GETTING RID OF AN EYESORE IN THIS COMMUNITY. UM, WE TALK ABOUT NOT WANTING OUR PEOPLE TO GO BY A BIG, BEAUTIFUL BUILDING, BUT YEAH, IT'S OKAY FOR THEM FOR THE LAST 12 YEARS THAT I'VE BEEN ON THIS ISLAND TO DRIVE BY THOSE BLIGHTED BUILDINGS. SO I, I THINK WE SHOULD CONSIDER THAT AND THINK ABOUT THAT. UM, THEY, THEY'VE REALLY DONE A VERY NICE JOB FILLING THESE UNITS IS NOT GONNA BE A CHALLENGE. UH, MS. BRYSON, WE HAD TALKED TO U S C B UH, FIVE YEARS AGO WORKING ON A SIMILAR PROJECT. TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, BACK THEN IT WAS $3,500 A SEMESTER FOR HOUSING INCLUDED THEIR FOOD. SO WE WERE WORKING ON THIS SAME SORT OF PARTNERSHIP BACK THEN AND JUST COULDN'T PUT IT TOGETHER. BUT THESE GUYS HAVE A VERY SOLID PLAN AND THEY HAVE THE FINANCIAL, FINANCIAL BACKING TO SUPPORT IT. ON THE OTHER NOTE, YOU HAVE HOUSING OVER IN TITLED [02:40:01] BLUFF RIGHT NOW, DRIVE BY AND SEE HOW MANY CARS YOU SEE IN JULY. NONE. H TWO BS DON'T HAVE CARS. WE TRANSPORT THEM. SO THE PARKING ISSUE, I DON'T THINK IS AN ISSUE TO BE HONEST WITH YOU. I UNDERSTAND IT'S A, IT'S IN THE LMO AND SUCH, BUT IT'S NOT GONNA BE AN ISSUE FOR THIS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. OKAY, ALAN, I DID WANNA SPEAK TO THE SAFETY AND SECURITY POINTS THAT CAME UP. CERTAINLY A HOT TOPIC. THE FIRST TIME THAT THE SEARCH PARTNERS, THE MAYOR OF OUR GROUP, ROB JORDAN AND MY MYSELF, WERE APPROACHED BY OUR NOW PARTNERS, THE DEVELOPERS ABOUT THIS. WE WERE OFFERED, WOULD YOU LIKE TO RENT DORMS? AND WE SAID, WE DON'T HAVE ANY VISA WORKERS. WE HAVE NO J TWO J ONE WORKERS. AND WE SAID, WE BELIEVE FOR THE SOUTH END OF HILTON HEAD, 450 TO 500 BEDS IS THE WRONG PRODUCT OF DORMITORY FOR THAT AREA. WOULD YOU PLEASE, THIS IS A YEAR AND A HALF AGO, PLEASE RECONSIDER BUILDING 1, 2, 3, 4 BEDROOM UNITS THERE SO THAT IT CAN SERVE A WIDER SWATH OF OUR WORKFORCE AND NOT HAVE 500 HEARTBEATS. THERE MAYBE HALF THAT, WHICH PRESENTS HALF THE SECURITY RISK OF. IT'S A FAR BETTER USE IN TERMS OF, UM, SAFETY FOR THE AREA. AND THE DEVELOPER HAS GONE ON FOR A YEAR AND A HALF TO GET TO THIS POINT WHEN THAT SAME FOOTPRINT COULD BE BUILT OUT WITH 45 UNITS. SEAN HAS HELPED US DO A BUYRIGHT ANALYSIS, AND EIGHT OR 10 BEDS COULD END UP BEHIND EVERY ONE OF 'EM. I'M FEARFUL THAT IF WE CONTINUE TO DEMAND MORE AND MORE OF DEVELOPERS ACROSS THE, THE ISLAND, WE MISS THE OPPORTUNITY TO CAPITALIZE AND THIS CASE BEFORE IT TURNS INTO THE WRONG PRODUCT FOR THE SOUTH END OF HILL NET, WHICH IT COULD BE BY RIGHT? WE BEGGED THEM NOT TO DO THAT A YEAR AND A HALF AGO. AND HERE WE ARE TODAY. SO I HOPE THAT FACTORS INTO YOUR, YOUR, YOUR, UH, DISCERNMENT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, ALAN. ARE THERE ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENTS? SEDA, WOULD YOU CALL THE QUESTION PLEASE, MR. FOR THE MOTION? BRYSON? YES, MS. BECKER? UM, I'M, YES, AND I, I WOULD JUST WANNA SAY THAT THE PUBLIC COMMENTS WERE IMPACTFUL. I APPRECIATE THEM WHEN THEY COME FORWARD. UM, HE'S LEFT. BUT PERHAPS, UM, SOMEONE IN IN THIS GROUP CAN, UM, SHOW ME A SAMPLE CONTRACT OF WHAT A, UM, LEASE WOULD LOOK LIKE FROM A BUSINESS FOR THE EMPLOYEES. I'D LIKE TO SEE THAT INFORMATION, UM, AS WELL. AND I'M SORRY, . UM, AS WELL AS, UM, THE, THE, THE OTHER PIECE THAT I WANNA THROW OUT THERE. LOTS OF DIFFERENT THINGS WERE MENTIONED, AND I AGREE WITH THEM ALL. UM, THE PARKING I DO BELIEVE IS GOING TO ULTIMATELY BE AN ISSUE EITHER NOW OR LATER. AND SO I CAN'T OVERLOOK THAT PIECE. UM, AND THE OTHER PIECE THAT I'M HAVING DIFFICULTY WITH IS, UM, NOT HAVING ANYTHING IN WRITING WITH REGARD TO THIS COMMITMENT TO THIS PARTICULAR TYPE OF USE AND WHERE THAT OPEN-ENDEDNESS LEAVES, LEAVES US FOR THE FUTURE. AND SO IF Y'ALL CAN WORK ON THAT PIECE AS WELL AS A COMMITMENT, I UNDERSTAND THE GOAL. I GET IT. AND, BUT SOMETHING IN WRITING. SO THAT WOULD, UM, APPLIES TO Y'ALL AS WELL AS OTHERS. THANKS, MS. BECKER? OH, I SAID YES. OKAY. . THANK YOU MR. AMES. YES. THANK YOU. THE MOTION PASSES UNANIMOUSLY AND, UM, I ENCOURAGE STAFF TO GET WITH THE DEVELOPERS ASAP TO TRY TO MAKE THIS HAPPEN. YES, SIR. OKAY, NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA, A SHORT TERM RENTAL ORDINANCE IMPLEMENTATION UPDATE. UH, MR. CHAIR, PERHAPS WE COULD HAVE THE CLIFF NOTES ON THE UPDATE . YEAH. MAKE IT QUICK. THANK YOU. HERE. IT'S YOUR PLEASURE. BUT, UH, THANK YOU. GOOD AFTERNOON. UM, GOOD. A NAME IS AFTERNOON, BARBARA. OH, GO AHEAD. MY NAME IS BARBARA WORCESTER. I'M THE, UH, REVENUE CUSTOMER SERVICE MANAGER FOR THE TOWN OF HILTON HEAD ISLAND. I'M THRILLED AND HONORED TO BE HERE TODAY. WELCOME TO TALK ABOUT OUR UPDATES FOR THE SHORT TERM RENTAL ORDINANCE. UM, AS YOU MAY OR MAY NOT KNOW, UM, THIS PROJECT TOOK ON QUITE A, UH, LARGE AMOUNT OF PEOPLE FOR THE TOWN. UM, THIS IS, THESE ARE THE MAIN, UH, PEOPLE THAT HELPED US WITH THIS PROJECT. BUT I WILL TELL YOU, UM, IT SPARED NO DEPARTMENT. UH, WE ENDED UP HAVING TO USE SOMEBODY FROM EVERY DEPARTMENT. AND EVERYBODY'S, UH, BEEN INVOLVED WITH THIS. THEY SAY IT TAKES A VILLAGE. WELL, THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT TOOK A WHOLE TOWN, AND I'M HONORED TO BE WORKING WITH THESE PEOPLE BECAUSE WE HAVE SOME REALLY [02:45:01] BRILLIANT PEOPLE WORKING FOR US HERE. UM, KEY DATES. UM, AS YOU KNOW, IN MAY, YOU ALL APPROVED THAT SHORT-TERM RENTAL ORDINANCE. UM, AUGUST 15TH, I WAS HIRED, BROUGHT ON BOARD. UH, TWO DAYS LATER, WE, UH, EXECUTED OUR CONTRACT WITH OUR VENDOR, UH, GOV OS. UH, COUPLE WEEKS LATER, WE HAD OUR INITIAL KICKOFF MEETING SEPTEMBER 1ST. AND BY DECEMBER 20TH, WE BEGAN, UH, TRAINING OUR STAFF ON THE NEW GOV OS SYSTEM. UH, WE ARE HAPPY TO ANNOUNCE WE MET OUR JANUARY 3RD GO-LIVE DATE. WE HAD A COUPLE LITTLE BLURBS HERE OR THERE, BUT BASICALLY WE WENT LIVE AND PEOPLE WERE ABLE TO, UH, APPLY AND PAY FOR THEIR PERMIT. THINGS THAT WE'VE COMPLETED IN THIS SHORT TIME PERIOD. UM, AS YOU MAY KNOW, THIS ALL TOOK PLACE IN A MATTER OF ABOUT 16 WEEKS. SO IN A MATTER OF ABOUT 16 WEEKS, WE DEVELOPED, CUSTOMIZED AND IMPLEMENTED THE SHORT TERM RENTAL PORTAL. WE HAD TO DESIGN, UH, ALL THE WRITING AND HOW IT WAS GONNA BE IN THE APPLICATIONS. UH, WE DEVELOPED INTER DEPARTMENTAL WORKFLOWS. WE HAD TO UNDERSTAND HOW EVERY DEPARTMENT WAS GONNA FLOW AND WORK WITHIN THIS PROCESS. UM, WE CAME UPON A PROBLEM OF NEEDING SITE PLANS. SO OUR IT TEAM, WHICH I CAN'T SAY ENOUGH ABOUT, UM, CAME UP AND CREATED OUR OWN GIS APP SO THAT THE HOMEOWNERS COULD CREATE THEIR OWN SITE PLAN. UM, IN ADDITION TO THAT, UH, WE WERE ABLE TO CREATE, FINALIZE THE TOWN'S GOOD NEIGHBOR BROCHURE. THIS WAS SOMETHING THAT A LOT OF THE DEPARTMENTS HAVE WANTED FOR A WHILE. UM, BUT WE FINALIZED IT AND IT'S PUBLISHED AND IT'S ON THE WEBSITE AND READY FOR ALL OUR OWNERS TO DOWNLOAD AND, UM, PROVIDE. IN ADDITION, WE HIRED TWO ADDITIONAL CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS AND THREE FULL-TIME TEMPORARY STAFF MEMBERS. UH, IN ORDER TO GET THIS ALL COMPLETED, WE HELD MEETINGS WEEKLY, SOMETIMES MORE THAN ONCE DURING THE WEEK. UH, SOME OF OTHER MEMBERS WERE NOT HAPPY ABOUT THAT, BUT, UH, IT WAS THE ONLY WAY WE COULD MEET THAT JANUARY 3RD DEADLINE. SO I KEPT THEM ON A SHORT LEASH MM-HMM. . UM, AND WE WERE ABLE TO GET IT COMPLETED. UM, ONE OF THE MAJOR PORTIONS OF THIS, UH, PROJECT, OTHER THAN IT, UM, WAS THE COMMUNICATIONS DEPARTMENT. I CAN'T SAY ENOUGH ABOUT THEIR INFLUENCE AND HOW THEY PARTICIPATED IN ASSISTED GETTING THIS LAUNCHED. UM, THIS IS A COMPREHENSIVE MULTIMEDIA PLAN. UM, THESE ARE SOME OF THE ITEMS THAT WE TOOK CARE OF. WE ENHANCED THE WEBPAGE WITH DETAILED INFORMATION, AND THAT'S SOMETHING WE CONTINUE TO DO. UM, WE WILL CONTINUE TO UPDATE THE WEBPAGE AS WE NEED TO. AS THE QUESTIONS CHANGE, WE'RE CHANGING OUR, UH, FACTS AND OUR INFORMATION THAT WE HAVE ON THE WEBPAGE. WE PRODUCED SIX VIDEOS, UM, TO SHARE ON ALL DIFFERENT SOCIAL, UH, MEDIA PLATFORMS. UM, AND WE'VE HAD SOME GOOD RESPONSE, UH, REGARDING THAT. UH, WE APPEARED IN TV AND PRE PRINT MEDIA VIDEOS. UH, WE LAUNCHED A FULL SHORT TERM RENTAL SOCIAL MEDIA CAPA, UH, CAMPAIGN THAT WAS SHARED ACROSS ALL THE DIFFERENT, UM, SOCIAL MEDIA PLATFORMS. UM, WE SENT A TOTAL OF SIX NEWS RELEASES, WHICH, UH, REACHED APPROXIMATELY 9,000 RECIPIENTS. WE HOSTED, UH, SIX IN-PERSON VIRTUAL INFORMATION MEETINGS AT TOWN HALL AND AT ISLAND REC FOR, UH, RESIDENTS AND PROPERTY OWNERS AND SO FORTH. UM, WE'VE HAD OVER 600 PEOPLE ATTEND THESE MEETINGS. SOME MEETINGS WERE LIVE STREAMED, RECORDED, ET CETERA, SO THAT, UM, ANYONE CAN, COULD FOLLOW, UM, AS NEEDED. UH, WE ALSO HOSTED ADDITIONAL STAKEHOLDER HOLDER MEETINGS WITH SHIPYARD, HILTON, HEAD, ISLAND BEACH AND TENNIS, AND THE HILTON HEAD VACATION RENTAL ASSOCIATION AMONG OTHERS. SO, BRIEF HISTORY AGAIN, UM, IN NOVEMBER, 2022, WE LAUNCHED THE PUBLIC COMMUNICATION PLAN, UM, WHICH INCLUDED, LIKE I SAID, PUBLIC AND STAKEHOLDER MEETINGS. UM, WE DEVELOPED A COMPLAINT HOTLINE WITH WORKFLOWS AND PHONE SCRIPTS. AS YOU KNOW, THIS NEW S STL PROGRAM HAS A 24 HOUR SEVEN DAY A WEEK COMPLAINT HOTLINE. UM, WE ENGAGED IN SOFTWARE TESTING AND DEVELOPMENT. WE TRAINED OUR SHORT TERM RENTAL IMPLEMENTATION TEAM. AND, UM, WE ESTABLISHED PROCESSES AND, AND TRAINING FOR THE TEMPORARY NEW POSITIONS THAT WE HAVE. UM, IN OCTOBER, NOVEMBER, DECEMBER, UH, BEVO WEST HAS BEEN BUSY RESEARCHING AND IDENTIFYING THE DIFFERENT PROPERTIES, UM, THAT ARE RENTING HERE ON HILTON NET. AND IN DECEMBER OF 2022, BEVO OS PREPARED THE LETTERS AND SENT OUT OVER 7,000 LETTERS TO POTENTIAL SHORT-TERM RENTAL PROPERTY OWNERS. UM, WE BEGAN TRAINING FOR STAFF IN LATE DECEMBER, RIGHT AT THE DEADLINE OF WHEN WE WENT LIVE. GOT US A LITTLE NERVOUS, [02:50:01] BUT WE WERE ABLE TO COMPLETE OUR TRAINING, UM, FOR STAFF. UM, WE WILL BE TRAINING CO ENFORCEMENT AND SOME OTHER DEPARTMENTS AS WE MOVE FORWARD. UM, AS I SAID, OVER 7,000 IDENTIFIED PROPERTIES RECEIVED CORRESPONDENCE FROM THE TOWN AND FROM GOV OS. UM, AND THEY WERE CONTACTED BY A LETTER AS WELL AS EMAIL IF WE HAD IT ON FILE. AND LIKE I SAID, WITHIN THAT 16 WEEKS, JANUARY 3RD, WE MET OUR GOAL LIVE DATE AND THE SHORT TERM RENTAL, UH, PERMIT IS NOW OPEN. AND AS OF THIS MORNING AT 9 45, UM, WE HAD OVER 10, UH, OVER 2000 COMPLETED APPLICATIONS AND APPROVED. AND WE'VE GOT ABOUT 900 STILL IN THE QUEUE. SO WITHIN A MATTER OF ABOUT 14, 15 WORKING DAYS, WE'VE REALLY ACCOMPLISHED QUITE A BIT. I'M VERY PROUD OF THE, UH, TEMPORARY STAFF THAT WE HAVE. WE'VE ACCOMPLISHED A LOT. AND WITH THAT, I'LL TAKE ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE. BARBARA. I, I'D LIKE TO SAY JUST A COUPLE OF THINGS. UM, I WATCHED YOU AND MS. LUK MAKE A PRESENTATION AT SHIPYARD, AND I JUST WANT EVERYBODY IN THE ROOM TO KNOW HOW BEAUTIFULLY HANDLED YOU HANDLED THAT. UH, OH. THANK YOU. THERE WERE SO MANY QUESTIONS, UH, THAT YOU WERE ABLE TO ANSWER AND IT REALLY WAS A GOOD, UH, GOOD REPRESENTATION OF TOWN CAPABILITY. I HAVE ALSO SEEN YOU DO MAKE THE PRESENTATION AT THE REC CENTER WHERE THE CROWD WAS SOMEWHAT MORE, UH, SKEPTICAL. AND, AND AGAIN, YOU AND YOUR STAFF AND THE, AND, UH, JOHN, TROY AND OTHERS WHO WERE THERE WERE ABLE TO ANSWER TOUGH QUESTIONS AND DEFUSE SOME OF THE ANGST OF THE, OF THE PEOPLE WHO WERE THERE. SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I SEE SOME OF YOUR COHORTS HERE. CAN YOU GIVE US THEIR NAMES OR HAVE THEM INTRODUCE THEMSELVES? CERTAINLY. UH, JOHN TROYER, FINANCE DIRECTOR, APRIL AKINS, AKINS, CUSTOMER SERVICE MANAGER. WE HAVE MS. KATHY LEE, WHO IS OUR, ONE OF OUR FULL-TIME, UH, TEMPORARY STAFF MEMBERS WHO JUST GOT FLOWERS FOR HER EXCELLENT CUSTOMER SERVICE FROM A SHORT-TERM RENTAL OWNER. I MEAN, I MIGHT ADD, AND WE HAVE OUR OTHER STAFF HERE TOO. KAREN AND MARIE GARNER ALSO ARE HERE WITH US. WE'VE GOT A GOOD, OH, LOOK AT ALL OF US. AND YOU KNOW, MISSY AND SEAN. YEAH. OKAY. WELL, I, HERE WE ARE. I JUST, I JUST WANTED TO THANK YOU FOR THE APPRECIATE INCREDIBLE MARATHON THAT YOU'VE BEEN ON OVER THE LAST SEVERAL MONTHS. IT'S BEEN A RIDE. YEAH, IT'S BEEN A RIDE. OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? I THINK THIS IS AN EXTRAORDINARY STORY THAT YOU'VE SHARED ABOUT HOW YOU'VE GOTTEN THIS UP TO SPEED, UH, SO QUICKLY. AND I CERTAINLY SALUTE YOU FOR YOUR EFFORTS IN THAT REGARD. UM, YOU'VE TALKED ABOUT, ABOUT 7,000 UNITS HAVE BEEN IDENTIFIED ON THE ISLAND, ARE STILL NEW, UH, STR BEING IDENTIFIED, OR DO YOU THINK THAT'S ABSOLUTELY DAY BY DAY? UNFORTUNATELY, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT IS NOT AN EXACT SCIENCE. IT CHANGES BY THE DAY AND BY THE MINUTE SURE. AS PEOPLE ARE BUYING AND SELLING. UM, BUT GOV, GOV OS IS CONTINUOUSLY SCRUBBING THE INFORMATION AND UPDATING THE DATABASE. SO WE ARE CONTINUOUSLY IDENTIFYING NEW PROPERTIES. SO YOU'VE IDEN YOU'VE IDENTIFIED, I THINK ABOUT 2000 APPLICANTS THAT HAVE BEEN APPROVED AND YOU HAVE MORE IN THE QUEUE. UM, ARE YOU HOPEFUL OF GETTING ALMOST ALL OF THESE 7,000 UNITS UNDER LICENSE PERMIT? ABSOLUTELY. ABSOLUTELY. THAT'S OUR GOAL. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GONNA MEET. KEEP US SURPRISE. WELL, GOBOS GOBOS GAVE US, UM, A PLATFORM OF ABOUT 90% WITHIN ONE YEAR IS WHAT THEY WERE GOING FOR. BUT, UH, QUITE FRANKLY, THE WAY WE'RE GOING AND THE WAY THE STAFF IS GOING, I THINK WE WILL ABSOLUTELY BEAT THAT RECORD. EXCELLENT. THANK YOU. MY PLEASURE. BRYON? YES. OKAY. THANK YOU. UM, I, I, I HAVE QUESTIONS. UM, SO OF THE 2000 APPROVED, UM, AND THOSE 900 S THAT ARE, Y'ALL ARE STILL WORKING ON, UM, HOW MANY, TWO THINGS, HOW MANY OF THOSE ARE COMING THROUGH VIA A PROPERTY MANAGEMENT COMPANY AND HOW MANY ARE, IF YOU KNOW, UM, ARE COMING? UM, BECAUSE THEY ARE INDIVIDUALS WHO RENT THEIR HOMES ON THEIR OWN? I CAN'T GIVE YOU EXACT FIGURES CUZ I, I WOULDN'T HAVE THAT BROKEN UP, BUT I CAN TELL YOU THAT RIGHT NOW WE'RE GETTING IT FROM ALL DIFFERENT ANGLES. UM, BECAUSE WE HAVE WORKED WITH, LIKE RIGHT NOW I'M WORKING WITH VACASA AND A COUPLE OTHER, UH, PROPERTY MANAGEMENT GROUPS BECAUSE WE HAVE WORKED SO CLOSELY WITH THEM. UM, WE'RE GETTING ASSISTANCE FROM THE PROPERTY MANAGEMENT COMPANIES. IN ADDITION, WE'RE GETTING PEOPLE THAT ARE JUST COMING FORWARD FROM HEARING ABOUT IT. MM-HMM. . UM, AND THEN WE'RE ALSO GETTING THE PEOPLE THAT WERE NOTIFIED BY GOV OS. UM, SO IT'S COMING FROM ALL DIFFERENT ANGLES. UM, I WOULD SAY MAJORITY OF THEM, UM, WERE IDENTIFIED BY BEVO, BUT WE ARE FINDING THAT PEOPLE ARE COMING FORWARD AS WELL. SO THE PROPERTY MANAGEMENT COMPANIES AREN'T NECESSARILY TAKING RESPONSIBILITY FOR ALL OF THOSE CONTRACTS THAT THEY HAVE? NO, IT'S INDIVIDUALS WITHIN. OKAY. THANK YOU. AND THEN [02:55:01] IN TERMS OF REVIEWING SITE PLANS, WHICH ARE USED, UM, FOR A VARIETY OF RESIDENTS I'M SURE, BUT PARKING IN PARTICULAR, HOW IS THAT LOOKING? HOW IS THAT WE'RE FINDING, YOU KNOW, WE WEREN'T SURE HOW LONG IT WOULD TAKE AND SO FORTH. UM, BUT WE'RE FINDING ONCE WE TOOK THE TIME TO EDUCATE THE STAFF AND WHAT TO LOOK FOR AND WHATNOT TO LOOK FOR, UM, THAT IT'S BECOMING REALLY LIKE A FINE OILED MACHINE. UM, BECAUSE, UH, WE FIND MOST PEOPLE ARE USING OUR APP TO CREATE THE SITE PLAN SO WE KNOW THAT IT'S COMING OUT THE WAY WE NEED IT TO LOOK. UM, SO THE PROCESS HAS BU HAS BEEN PRETTY EASY SO FAR. SO I I, IS THERE ANY TRACKING BEING DONE WITH REGARD TO HOW MANY, UM, PARKING SPOTS ARE BEING IDENTIFIED AND PERMITTED VERSUS HOW MANY ROOMS PER BILLED? ALL THAT INFORMATION IS BEING KEPT IS YES. IS KEPT. SO THAT IS BEING KEPT? YES. SO THAT, THAT IS GOING TO BE ABLE TO BE REVIEWED LATER. OKAY. GOOD. THAT'S IMPORTANT. UM, AND THEN I WOULD ALSO JUST MAKE THE COMMENT, AND, AND THIS MAY OR MAY NOT BE TRUE IN THESE INSTANCES, BUT GENERALLY SPEAKING, THE, UM, THE GIS IS NOT NECESSARILY COMPLETELY DEPENDABLE. CORRECT. HAVE WE FOUND ANY DIFFICULTIES WITHIN REALITY ON THE GROUND VERSUS WHAT GIS IS SHOWING? UM, I, I, IT'S SUCH A SMALL PERCENTAGE. I'VE HAD A FEW PEOPLE, LIKE MAYBE A HANDFUL, MAYBE TWO, YOU KNOW, MAYBE A DOZEN OR TWO DOZEN, UM, WHERE MAYBE THE GIS MAPPING AND THE LONGITUDE AND LATITUDE DIDN'T QUITE MATCH UP AND THEY WERE ONE HOUSE OFF. UM, BUT, YOU KNOW, JUDGING FROM THE 7,000 THAT WERE SENT, IT'S A VERY SMALL PERCENTAGE. SO I'M ACTUALLY PRETTY PLEASED SO FAR WITH THE RESULTS. GOOD. AND THOSE PARKING PLACES AREN'T IMPINGING ON ANY CROSSWALKS OR SIDEWALKS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT? THEY'RE COMPLETELY WITH CONTAINED ON THE PROPERTY THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BE. RIGHT. AND, AND, AND, AND WHEN THEY AFFIRM TO THAT, IT SHOULD BE OKAY. IS THERE ANY FIELD VERIFICATION? I'M NOT. WE'RE TAKING IT ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS. MM-HMM. , IN OTHER WORDS, IF THERE'S A COMPLAINT AND SO FORTH, THEN UM, CODE ENFORCE WILL GO OUT AND, AND VERIFY THE MEASURE AND SO FORTH. FOLLOW UP. OKAY. AND KEEPING IN MIND THAT OUR ESTIMATED NUMBER IN GOV OS SAYING THAT 90% OR THEREABOUTS WITHIN THE FIRST YEAR WOULD BE IN, IN COMPLIANCE. AND YOU FEELING OPTIMISTIC ABOUT THAT? ARE WE STILL FEELING FAIRLY CONFIDENT WITHIN THE 7,000, UM, NUMBER AND, UM, AND I'LL JUST LEAVE IT AT THAT. IT'S FINE. UM, I, I WOULD SAY 7,000 IS A CONSERVATIVE NUMBER MM-HMM. , BECAUSE WE HAVE TO REMEMBER THAT, UM, GOV OS PULLED THIS INFORMATION IN OUR SLOW, WHAT WE WOULD CONSIDER OUR SLOWEST QUARTER MM-HMM. , UM, IN OTHER WORDS, THE DECEMBER MONTH, JANUARY MONTH. SO THIS WOULD BE OUR QUIETEST TIME. SO I THINK, UM, THE NUMBERS REMAIN TO BE SEEN AND I DO EXPECT THEM TO INCREASE. OKAY. IS DO YOU THINK THERE'S ANY RELUCTANCY IN TERMS OF PEOPLE COMING IN AND PAYING THEIR, UM, OR GETTING THEIR PERMITS BECAUSE THERE'S ONLY ONE METHOD OF PAYMENT THROUGH THE CREDIT CARD ONLINE? UM, WE HAVE HAD SOME PUSHBACK ON THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE KIND OF EXPECTED THAT. UM, AND AGAIN, IT'S A HANDFUL, MAYBE TWO DOZEN PEOPLE THAT, UH, THAT HAVE PUSHED BACK ON IT. UM, BUT FOR MOST PEOPLE, ONCE WE KIND OF EXPLAIN THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE LOOKING FOR ANOTHER OPTION FOR THE FUTURE AND WE APPRECIATE YOUR PATIENCE, THEY GO AHEAD AND TAKE CARE OF IT. UM, BUT WE HAVE HAD SOME PUSHBACK. I I WOULD SUGGEST THAT THAT'S AN I IMPORTANT PIECE BECAUSE ANY BARRIER THAT THEY SEE THAT THEY CAN LOOK, AND I DON'T MEAN THIS THIS WAY, THAT'S NOT COMING OUT THE WAY. ANY BARRIERS ARE NOT GOOD FOR THE, FOR THE ULTIMATE OUTCOME. RIGHT. SO IF WE CAN CORRECT THAT, THAT'D BE FANTASTIC. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. MISSY, WOULD YOU LIKE TO ADD A COMMENT? HI, MISS YOU BARBARA. UM, I JUST WANTED TO ADD TO THAT, THAT WHILE WE DID IDENTIFY THROUGH GO OS THE 7,000 SHORT-TERM RENTALS, UM, AND SENT THEM LETTERS TO APPLY, THEY ARE IDENTIFYING ADDITIONAL, UM, ADVERTISEMENTS AND SENDING OUT NOTICES THAT THEY ALSO HAVE TO COMPLY WITH, UH, THE REGULATIONS AS WELL. SO AS NO MORE GET ADVERTISED, THEN MORGAN GET NOTIFIED THAT THEY NEED TO APPLY FOR A PERMIT. AND ALSO, UM, IT WAS IN, UM, THE PRESENTATION, BUT I WANTED TO NOTE THAT WE ARE WORKING ON A DASHBOARD WITH GIS. AND SO SOMETIME TOWARD, UM, THE TAIL END OF THE FIRST QUARTER, WE HOPE TO HAVE, UM, A PUBLIC DASHBOARD THAT THAT IDENTIFIES WHERE WE STAND WITH SHORT-TERM RENTALS AND THAT DATA WILL BE PUBLIC FACING. I, I'M VERY INTERESTED IN THE LOCATION OF SHORT-TERM RENTALS ON THE ISLAND, UM, OF THE 2000 THAT HAVE STEPPED UP AND RECEIVED THEIR PERMIT. DO WE KNOW AT THIS POINT WHAT GEOGRAPHIC AREAS THEY COME FROM? IS IT ALL OVER? I, I, I THINK THIS IS IMPORTANT FOR FUTURE POLICY. SO I, I WOULD LIKE TO BE AWARE OF, OF THAT DISTRIBUTION ON THE ISLAND AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT DASHBOARD, UH, WILL BE ABLE TO PROVIDE TO US. MM-HMM. , I WOULD HAVE TO SAY RIGHT NOW WE'RE SO YOUNG IN OUR DATA THAT I, I, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE NOTHING TO SHARE WITH YOU YET, BUT I BELIEVE, YOU KNOW, BY THE FIRST QUARTER OR THE END OF THE FIRST QUARTER, WE SHOULD HAVE MORE OF THIS IMPLEMENTED AND, AND YOU'LL BE [03:00:01] ABLE TO SEE THAT INFORMATION. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU BARBARA. THANK YOU. UM, MR. BABEL, WOULD YOU LIKE TO ADD SOMETHING? I KNOW IT HAS SOMETHING TO DO WITH BIKES. NO, IT DOESN'T. HE ALREADY HAD HIS TIME LUNCH. IF YOU DON'T TALK TOO LONG, IT COULD BE DINNER. OKAY. I GOT THREE MINUTES. I THINK, UH, SHORT-TERM RENTALS WERE A GREAT WAY THAT HILTON HAD ISLAND GOT GOING. YOU KNOW, IT GAVE HOMEOWNERS AN OPPORTUNITY TO BUY A PLACE AND CONCEIVABLY AFFORDED, ALTHOUGH NUMBERS NEVER REALLY WORKED OUT, BUT IT AT LEAST GAVE YOU OPINION THAT YOU COULD GET RENTALS IN THERE AND THEN SHOW UP AND THEN EVENTUALLY RETIRE. LIKE I DID, I HAD A SHORT-TERM RENTAL. UNFORTUNATELY, SHORT-TERM RENTALS ARE LIKE KUDZU. AND ONCE YOU GET A SHORT-TERM RENTAL IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD, YOUR COMMUNITY BEGINS TO CHANGE. AND THEN ANOTHER ONE COMES IN AND THEN ANOTHER ONE. AND BEFORE YOU KNOW IT, YOUR COMMUNITY HAS BECOME A COMMERCIAL ZONE AND YOU HAVE PEOPLE OUT THERE THAT YOU JUST DON'T KNOW WHO THE HECK THEY ARE. THEY'RE WANDERING AROUND AND IT'S LIKE KUDZU. IT JUST KEEPS ON GROWING AND ONCE IT GETS GOING, YOU CAN'T STOP IT. AND IT JUST KEEPS ON GROWING AND GROWING AND GROWING. AND GUESS WHERE WE ARE? WE HAVE KUDZU ON THIS ISLAND AND IT'S OVERTAKING THIS ISLAND. AND IT'S REALLY SOMETHING WE JUST HAVE TO BE VERY, VERY SERIOUS ABOUT. IT CONTRIBUTES TO OUR GROWTH PRO PROBLEM. IN FACT THAT MAYBE THE ROOT CAUSE OF WHAT'S HAPPENING HERE. TOO MANY TIMESHARES, TOO MANY RENTALS, TOO MANY OF THESE SHORT-TERM RENTALS ARE HAPPENING ALL OVER. UH, I HAVE A FRIEND WHO IS IN THE OCEAN, UH, UH, COMMUNITY IN PALM COAST AND ALL OF A SUDDEN PEOPLE STARTED SHOWING UP ON STREETS THAT WERE MILLION DOLLAR HOMES. AND SO, AND THEY SAID, WHO THE HELL THESE PEOPLE, WELL, PEOPLE STARTED RUNNING, THEY SAID, WAIT A MINUTE, WHAT ARE THEY DOING HERE? AND SO THE WHOLE COMMUNITY GOT TOGETHER AND THEY CREATED A DISTRICT AND THEY WENT THROUGH HELL. BUT THEY CREATED A DISTRICT WHERE THEY PUT THE SHORT-TERM RENTALS AND THERE'S ENOUGH THERE TO KEEP THE PEOPLE HAPPY. AND THE PEOPLE WHO HAD SHORT-TERM RENTALS AND THE DISTRICTS THAT WERE CHANGED AND NOT ALLOWED TO HAVE SHORT-TERM RENTALS, THEY COULD DO THREE MONTH RENTALS, BUT NOT SHORT-TERM. ACTUALLY, WERE OKAY BECAUSE THEIR PROPERTY VALUES CONTINUE TO INCREASE AND THE COMMUNITY IS BACK ON TRACK. AND OF COURSE THEY'RE GETTING SUED ALL THE TIME, BUT IT'S REALLY WORKING. SO, I DON'T KNOW, THE TOOTHPASTE IS OUT OF THE TUBE AND WE CAN'T REALLY STOP IT. YOU JUST CAN'T DECLARE NO SHORT TERM RENTALS. BUT THERE ARE A LOT OF PLACES AROUND WHERE YOU CAN WARN THE PEOPLE CUZ KAZU, IT'S COMING. GET YOUR ACT TOGETHER, DO AN ORDINANCE. DON'T LET SHORT TERM RENTALS TAKE PLACE CUZ IT TAKES 75% APPROVAL, I THINK, YOU KNOW, CREATE A POA OR WHATEVER IT IS JUST TO STOP IT. IT'S A PROBLEM AND WE HAVE TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT. I LOVE YOUR IDEA, DAVID, ABOUT KEEPING TRACK OF IT BECAUSE THAT'S, THAT, THAT WAY WE CAN SEE HOW IT'S GOING. I THINK YOU'D BE AMAZED AT HOW YOU SEE THIS SUCKER JUST CREEPING UP AND GROWING THROUGH OUR COMMUNITY. CONTRIBUTING, NOT CONTRIBUTING, CREATING OUR PROBLEM. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, FRANK. YES, MR. SHARON, THANK YOU FOR BEING PATIENT. YES, THANK YOU. UH, KEON STORM, FOLLEY FIELD, UH, ISAAC. SECOND, EVERYTHING OBVIOUSLY THAT HE SAYS. AND YOU OBVIOUSLY KNOW MY VIEWS ON SHORT-TERM RENTALS. UM, I KNOW THAT IT'S EARLY DAYS, BUT I WOULD REALLY ENCOURAGE THE TOWN TO INVOLVE THE RESIDENTS IN THIS. AND, UH, IT'S REALLY FROM MISSY WHEN THE DASHBOARD COMES OUT, I THINK THAT WILL BE A USEFUL TOOL FOR THE RESIDENTS. THE RESIDENTS CAN TELL YOU WHERE THE RENTALS ARE. SO GOV OS I'M A SOFTWARE ENGINEER AND ELECTRONIC ENGINEER, SO THAT'S MY SPACE. I KNOW WHAT IT CAN DO AND WHAT IT CAN'T DO, BUT RESIDENTS CAN TELL YOU THAT THAT HOUSE THERE IS A SHORT TERM MANTLE. SO IF THE POAS ARE INVOLVED AND THEY HAVE ACCESS TO THESE TOOLS, THEN THEY CAN BASICALLY VERIFY WHAT GO GO IS TELLING YOU. UM, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A LITTLE BIT MORE EMPHASIS ON THE RESIDENT IN ALL OF THIS PROGRAM. UH, I, AGAIN, I COMMEND YOUR STAFF FOR GETTING EVERYTHING DONE IN THE SPACE THAT THEY DID, BUT, UM, PARKING, WHAT, YOU KNOW, WHAT HOUSE IS APPROVED FOR, WHAT PARKING, I I THINK THAT'S KEY FROM A RESIDENT PERSPECTIVE. UM, THE PHONE NUMBER, THE HOTLINE NUMBER, OBVIOUSLY THE PEOPLE WHO ARE NON LORDS AND RENTING OUR PROPERTIES HAVE ACCESS TO THAT, BUT FROM A RESIDENT PERSPECTIVE, IT'S REALLY, REALLY HARD TO FIND. MM-HMM. . SO IT'S NOT FRONT AND CENTER ON THE WEBSITE. SO JUST LITTLE THINGS, BUT AGAIN, I COMMEND THE STAFF AND THE TOWN FOR WHAT YOU'VE DONE. I REALLY APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS. UH, MR. BABEL MENTIONED, UH, UH, SHORT, SHORT-TERM RENTALS, SORT OF WE'RE HERE AT THE BEGINNING. I THINK WHAT HAS [03:05:01] SO CHANGED THE ENVIRONMENT IS THAT NOW WE HAVE SHORT-TERM RENTALS IN SINGLE FAMILY HOUSING, HOUSING NEIGHBORHOODS, AND THE ONLINE CAPABILITY OF MARKETING INTERNATIONALLY TO INDIVIDUALS AND SO ON. AND I THINK THOSE TWO THINGS HAVE CHANGED AND SORT OF FED THE KUDZU, SO TO SPEAK. BUT HAVING SAID THAT, UH, BARBARA, AGAIN, I WANT TO THANK YOU, UH, FOR THE PRESENTATION AND YOUR WORK OVER THE LAST SEVERAL MONTHS. UH, CONGRATULATIONS. AND, AND AS WELL AS TO THE REST OF THE STAFF THAT WHO HAS BEEN WORKING ON IT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND JUST STEALING ONE SECOND MORE, UM, ABOUT SHORT TERM RENTALS AND FOLLOWING UP ON SOME OF THE COMMENTS THAT, UM, HAVE BEEN MADE. CORRECT. UM, A LOT OF OUR DIFFICULTIES NOW IN SO MANY REGARDS IS DIRECTLY RELATED, CORRELATED STRONGLY TO SHORT TERM RENTALS. AND SO THIS IS A MAJOR PROBLEM THAT NEEDS TO BE KEPT, BROUGHT UNDER CONTROL AS WE'RE MOVING FORWARD AND TRYING TO CORRECT OTHER THINGS ACROSS THE ISLAND WITH REGARD TO DEVELOPMENT AND OUR CAPACITY AS AN ISLAND TO MAINTAIN IN TERMS OF, UM, RESIDENTS AND BEING ABLE TO CONTRIBUTE INFORMATION, KNOW HOW TO UTILIZE THIS SYSTEM TO THE BENEFIT THAT IT WAS ACTUALLY CREATED FOR, WHICH WAS TO MAINTAIN QUALITY OF PEACE, UM, AND LIFE IN A NEIGHBORHOOD THAT COULDN'T BE MORE IMPORTANT. THAT THAT IS MADE AS PUBLIC AND IN AS MANY PLACES AND AS BIG BOLD LETTERS AS HUMANLY POSSIBLE AS SOON AS POSSIBLE, RIGHT? BECAUSE THIS IS ACTUALLY UP AND FUNCTIONING. WE'RE NOT WAITING FOR ALL OF THE DATA TO COME IN BEFORE RESIDENTS CAN TAKE ADVANTAGE OF IT. SO THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE. UM, AND, AND, AND I REALLY DO BELIEVE THAT IN THE NEXT COMING MONTHS AS THIS, THIS BEGINS TO REALLY FULLY DEVELOP THAT MORE RESIDENT, UM, INPUT, UM, AND OPPORTUNITIES TO IDENTIFY AND HELP TO, TO, UM, TO, TO ADD TO THE 2000 AND GROWING NUMBER THAT MAY NOT WILLINGLY OR OBVIOUSLY STEP UP WILL BE USEFUL. SO, UM, KEEPING ALL OF THAT IN MIND, IT IS COMING TO THE FOREFRONT VERY SOON. THANK YOU. GO AHEAD. YEAH, SORRY. I'LL TRY TO MAKE THIS FOUR QUICK BULLET POINTS. ONE, I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO COLLECTION OF THE DATA, WHICH WOULD BE ESSENTIAL TO US MAKING DECISIONS IN THE FUTURE. SECOND, UM, UH, WE'VE ALREADY IDENTIFIED DURING THIS MEETING TODAY THAT GROWTH MANAGEMENT IS OF GREAT CONCERN TO THE TOWN COUNCIL AND THE STAFF IS WORKING ON THAT. UM, AND I THINK THAT SHORT TERM RENTALS WILL BE ADDRESSED DURING THOSE MODIFICATIONS, UM, THAT STAFF IS LOOKING AT. UM, THIRD, UH, THE PPC, THE PUBLIC PLANNING COMMITTEE HAS, UH, NOW ON ITS PLAN FOR THE FOURTH QUARTER OF THIS YEAR TO LOOK AT THE SECOND PHASE OF SHORT-TERM RENTAL, UM, MANAGEMENT, IF YOU WILL, , UH, BECAUSE WE DON'T YET KNOW WHAT THAT'S GONNA BE. WE'VE SEEN A FORECAST OF THAT, BUT IT'S, IT'S ON OUR CALENDAR AS PROPOSED. UM, AND THEN LASTLY, UM, IT WAS SUGGESTED PREVIOUSLY DURING THE FIRST PHASE THAT THEY'RE BEING ADVISORY COMMITTEE, UH, APPOINTED TO ASSIST US WITH THIS REVIEW, UH, WHICH WOULD INCLUDE, UM, RESIDENTS, UM, AS WELL AS THOSE WHO MANAGE SHORT-TERM RENTALS AND AS WELL AS THOSE WHO OWN. AND I'D LIKE FOR US TO, UM, I, I'M LOOKING AT, UM, MS. BECKER WHO'S THE CHAIR OF OUR COMMUNITY SERVICES, UH, IN PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE. PERHAPS WE COULD ACCELERATE, UM, APPOINTING THAT, UH, ESTABLISHING AND APPOINTING THAT COMMITTEE WHO WE ADJOURN. UM, WE WE HAVE ONE MORE. UH, WE HAVE, UM, REVIEW OF THE CALENDAR YEAR 2023, PROPOSED PUBLIC PLANNING COMMITTEE PENDING POLICY MATTERS. UM, IS THERE ANY COMMENT TO THAT? IT WAS DELIVERED TO US. I, I DON'T, LET ME JUST SEE IF WE NEED A PRESENTATION. DOES ANYBODY WANT TO REVIEW THAT AT THIS TIME? NO. I JUST WANNA THANK TWO REALLY QUICK COMMENTS ABOUT IT. UM, ONE IS THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR SETTING OUT A PLAN, , I ASK FOR THAT. UM, AND I KNOW IT'S SUBJECT TO CHANGE, UH, ESPECIALLY IN LIGHT OF THE STRATEGIC PLAN WORKSHOP. BUT THANK YOU. IT'S A GREAT PLANNING TOOL. IS THERE A MOTION TO, WE DON'T DO YOUR MOTION. IT'S PERFECTLY FINE. THANK YOU. UH, CONSIDERATION OF THE PROPOSED MEETING DATES FOR THE CALENDAR YEAR 2023. IS THERE A MOTION TO ADOPT MOVE ADOPTION OF THE SCHEDULE OF EVENTS AS WRITTEN? SECOND. SECOND. UM, I GUESS WE CAN CALL THE ROLL PLEASE. MR. STANFORD? YES. MS. BRYSON? YES. MS. BECKER? YES. MR. AMES? YES. WE STAND ADJOURNED. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR PATIENCE AND LONG SUPPORT. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. 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