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HE WENT TO WORK FOR THE WORK HERE.ANYWAY, GOOD EVENING, EVERYONE.
LET'S, LET'S CALL THIS MEETING TO ORDER THE TOWN COUNCIL AND PLANNING COMMISSION JOINT WORKSHOP.
MAYOR SAKA IS NOT FEELING WELL THIS EVENING, SO I'LL BE CHAIRING THIS WORKSHOP.
WORKSHOP, AND WE PLAN TO KEEP THIS AS BRIEF AS POSSIBLE AND TRY TO GET OUTTA HERE IN AN HOUR OR HOUR.
SO THAT, LET'S CALL THE MEETING TO ORDER AND START WITH PLEDGE ALLEG, FOLLOWED BY THE IMPLICATION, MR. PLEDGE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE.
FATHER, COME TO YOU NOW ASKING FOR YOUR GUIDANCE.
FATHER X, THAT YOU PRO PROVIDE, PROVIDE US WITH YOUR WISDOM.
SO THE DECISION AND THIS DISCUSSION WOULD HAVE YOUR BLESSING SO THAT IT WOULD BE FRUITFUL FOR OUR COMMUNITY.
AND THESE HEARTS, WE ACT IN YOUR NAME.
MOVING ON TO THE ADOPTION OF THE AGENDA.
STEVEN, ARE THERE ANY, UH, TO THE AGENDA? N NO, SIR, NO CHANGES.
IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE? I'LL MAKE A MOTION, SIR.
SECOND, THANK, UM, PUBLIC COMMENTS.
DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC AGREEMENT? NO.
MR. KEVIN? YES, THIS IS YOU, SIR.
I DON'T HAVE TO SAY ALL THE RULES THAT THERE'S NO PUBLIC COMMENTS, RIGHT, SIR? YOU SURE? UH, REALLY THE ONLY PERSON IN THE AUDIENCE THAT IS NOT A STAFF MEMBER IS, UH, MR. BRUCE TIMBER TRIMMER, WHO IS THE CHAIR OF THE HPC.
SO, UM, I, YOU KNOW, WITH YOUR, UM, WITH YOUR GUIDANCE, WE CAN, IF ANYTHING COMES UP AND IF, UH, HE WANTS TO, TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE SOME INSIGHT, WE CAN GO, GO THAT WAY.
UH, SO THANK YOU, UH, FOR ALL BEING HERE THIS EVENING.
UM, I BELIEVE THIS, THIS IS THE FIRST JOINT, UM, WORKSHOP THAT I'VE HAD, UH, IN THE SIX AND A HALF YEARS THAT I'VE BEEN HERE.
SO HOPEFULLY WE'LL BE ABLE TO GO THROUGH THIS EFFICIENTLY AND THEN BE ABLE TO ADDRESS ALL THE ITEMS. SO, UM, THIS EVENING WE ARE HERE TO GO OVER SOME OF THE, UH, AMENDMENTS TO THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT WARNINGS THAT HAVE BEEN BROUGHT UP, UH, THROUGHOUT THE YEAR.
AS YOU KNOW, UH, IN OUR STRATEGIC PLAN, WE HAVE AN ANNUAL ASSESSMENT OF UDO EDITS, AND THIS IS WHERE WE ARE.
SO WE'VE HAD A, SOME HOUSEKEEPING ITEMS THAT WE WANTED TO ADDRESS, UH, AS WELL AS SOME OTHER ITEMS THAT HAVE JUST BEEN BROUGHT UP THROUGHOUT THE YEAR.
UM, AND IF THERE'S ADDITIONAL ITEMS THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS, PLEASE, THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO, TO, TO TALK ABOUT IT.
UM, SO SOME OF IT IS DEALING WITH, UH, SOME MISCELLANEOUS AMENDMENTS.
UM, SO MISCELLANEOUS AMENDMENTS WOULD BE, UH, SCRIBNER'S ERRORS.
SO MINOR ISSUES WHERE THIS EXAMPLE RIGHT HERE, UH, WHERE IT SAYS TRANSECT ZONE, THAT'S A TERM THAT THE COUNTY USES IN THEIR DEVELOPMENT CODE, BUT WE DON'T USE THAT.
SO, UH, AS THIS CODE WAS WRITTEN, UH, IT WAS JUST ONE OF THOSE ITEMS, UH, THAT HAD BEEN, BEEN ADDED IN THERE AS A DESCRIPTION.
UH, WE DON'T USE THAT TERM, SO WE'RE CHANGING THAT OVER ANOTHER ONE.
YOU CAN SEE WHERE, UH, THE, UH, MILE PER HOUR IS 425 MILES PER HOUR.
SO, UM, OBVIOUSLY IT'S HARD TO SAY 25 AS OPPOSED TO 425 7.
UM, SO DIFFICULT, YOU KNOW, THAT EASILY GET.
SO, UM, UH, SO THERE, THERE'S, THERE'S QUITE A FEW OF THOSE THAT WE'RE, WE'RE PICKING UP THROUGHOUT THE, THE UDO, UH, AS WE FIND THEM, UH, TERMS AND DEFINITIONS.
UH, WE HAD SOME REVISIONS TO MULTIPLE, UH, TERMS. UH, THOSE ARE THE ONES ON THE LEFT, UH, BASEMENT BUILDING, UH, CONDITIONAL USE EASEMENTS AND RIGHT OF WAY.
UH, A LOT OF THESE ARE JUST BEING ABLE TO CLARIFY THEM IN ONE FORM OR FASHION.
UH, SOME OF THEM, LIKE THE SUCCO, THAT WAS A, A NEW ITEM THAT OUR HPC REQUESTED TO INCLUDE.
UH, AS WELL AS CLEARING UP DEFINITIONS FOR AN ARTISAN WORKSHOP AS WELL AS PET STORE.
UH, OTHER TERMS, UH, DEALING WITH RESIDENTIAL USES, UH, DWELLING UNITS.
UM, I'VE PROVIDED ALL THIS IN YOUR PACKET, SO HOPEFULLY EVERYONE HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO READ THROUGH THOSE.
AND, UM, IF THERE'S ANY, UH, GLARING ISSUES OR ITEMS THAT YOU'D LIKE TO TALK ABOUT, I'M HAPPY TO STOP AND GO OVER THEM.
UM, SO IF WE HAVE NO ISSUES, UH, WITH ANY OF THOSE, UM, I'M HAPPY TO MOVE ALONG.
SO, AND PLEASE FEEL FREE TO JUST, UM, IF YOU HAVE AN ISSUE, JUST RAISE YOUR HAND.
UH, NEXT IS DEALING WITH SOME NONCONFORMITIES.
UH, THE WAY THAT THE CODE, UM, IS CURRENTLY WRITTEN IS, IT KIND OF PUTS THE ONUS ON THE U D O ADMINISTRATOR, UH, WHICH IS HEATHER COLON, TO DETERMINE IF SOMETHING IS A, A, A LEGAL, UH, NONCONFORMITY.
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NOT HOW IT SHOULD BE.UM, IT, IT SHOULD BE STATED IN OUR, UM, IT'S STATED CLEARLY IN SECTION SEVEN WHEN IT DEALS WITH LEGAL NONCONFORMITIES.
AND THEN, UH, SECTION EIGHT TALKS ABOUT THE PENALTIES AND THE PROCEDURE.
SO, UH, WHAT THIS DOES IS IT, IN ESSENCE, IT FORCES, UM, YOU KNOW, IT, IT TAKES IT AWAY FROM THE UDO ADMINISTRATOR AND PUTS IT ON THE CODE TO DETERMINE IF SOMETHING IS ILLEGAL.
UM, IT'S JUST AN EXTRA STEP THAT'S NOT NEEDED.
UH, NEXT IS DEALING WITH PROCEDURES.
WE'VE HAD, UM, ISSUES IN THE PAST WHERE WE DON'T HAVE A SECTION, UM, FOR PUBLIC NOTICE FOR, UM, FOR APPEALS.
UM, SO WE'VE ADDED THAT SECTION TO IT.
UM, THE, FROM A TIMELINE STANDPOINT, THIS IS THE ONE THAT, IF YOU REMEMBER A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO, UH, WE ADDED THE REQUIREMENT TO, UH, NOTIFY ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS WHEN DEVELOPMENT WAS HAPPENING BY JUST A LETTER FROM, FROM THE APPLICANT SAYING, DEVELOPMENT IS HAPPENING.
HERE'S WHERE YOU CAN FIND OUT MORE INFORMATION.
UH, THE WAY THAT THE CODE IS WRITTEN IS THAT THAT NOTICE IS SUPPOSED TO BE PROVIDED WITHIN THE FIRST 15 DAYS OF THE APPLICATION.
UH, THE PROBLEM THAT WE'VE ACTUALLY FOUND WITH THAT IS THAT IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY COINCIDE WHEN THAT APPLICATION IS GOING TO GO IN FRONT OF A COMMITTEE OR A BOARD.
SO WHAT WE'D LIKE TO DO IS CHANGE THAT TO WHERE, WHEN WE KNOW THAT AN ITEM IS GOING IN, IN FRONT OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION, THAT THE NOTIFICATION GOES OUT 15 DAYS BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
UH, PRIME EXAMPLE IS OKAY, OR A HYPOTHETICAL EXAMPLE IS IF YOU SEE AN APPLICATION IN ON JULY ONE, THAT MEANS BY JULY 15TH, A NOTICE SHOULD GO OUT TO THE ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS.
NOW, AT THAT POINT, WE AREN'T SURE WHEN YOU'RE ACTUALLY GOING TO GO IN FRONT OF THAT BOARD.
SO BY CHANGING IT, THE REQUIREMENTS TO THEN TURN IT AROUND AND SAY, ALL RIGHT, WE'VE GOTTEN THROUGH, CUZ SOMETIMES THERE'S DELAYS FOR THE APPLICANT.
SOMETIMES, YOU KNOW, WE'VE, WE'VE PROVIDED SOME FEEDBACK AND IT TAKES AN ADDITIONAL TWO MONTHS, UH, BEFORE ANYTHING HAPPENS.
SO WHAT WE'RE, WE'RE PROPOSING IS TO CHANGING THAT SO THAT WAY WHEN WE KNOW THAT IT'S GONNA GO IN FRONT OF PLANNING COMMISSION OR HPC, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO HAVE ALL OF THAT INFORMATION IN A, A MONTH BEFORE THAT MEETING.
SO WHAT THIS GIVES US AN OPPORTUNITY TO DO IS 15 DAYS BEFORE THE MEETING, THAT NOTICE HAS TO BE PROVIDED TO THE PROPERTY OWNERS.
SAY DEFINITIVELY SAYING A MEETING IS BEING HELD.
YOU KNOW, AT THIS POINT, YOU KNOW, IT MIGHT BE SEPTEMBER, YOU KNOW, THE SEPTEMBER PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING IS HELD ON YOU, SEPTEMBER 24TH, THIS ITEM WILL BE IN FRONT OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
YOU'LL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO, YOU HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY ALREADY TO LOOK AT IT ONLINE, BUT THEN ACTUALLY TO GO TO THE, TO THE MEETING AND, AND SEE WHAT IS BEING SAID.
IF THE MEETING, THE ITEM GETS DELAYED OR THE MEETING GETS CANCELED, DO THEY HAVE TO DO IT AGAIN? THEY DO NOT.
UM, NOW LET ME STOP BY SAYING, NOW IF THE MEETING'S CANCELED COMPLETELY AND NOTHING HAPPENS, THEN YES, SOMETHING WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO RE-NOTICE IT.
BUT IF SOMEONE GETS TO A MEETING AND THEN IT IS THE ITEM IS TABLED OR IT'S CONTINUED, YOU DON'T HAVE TO DO ANOTHER NOTICE AT THAT POINT.
IS THERE A MINIMUM TIMEFRAME? SO FOR EXAMPLE, IT SAYS WITHIN 15 DAYS, CAN THEY SEND IT OUT THREE DAYS BEFORE THE MEETING OR ARE WE GONNA HAVE A NO, NO, WE, THERE IS A TIMEFRAME.
SO IT, IT HAS TO BE, IT HAS TO BE SENT 15 DAYS BEFORE THE MEETING.
SOME PEOPLE WON'T GET CERTIFIED.
SO SHOULD, SHOULD THAT BE PRIOR TO INSTEAD OF WITHIN 15 DAYS? IS WAS THAT CHARLIE'S QUESTION? YEAH, I THINK THE WITHIN MIGHT MAKE IT INTERPRETED.
SO IT COULD BE FIVE DAYS OUT OR, THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I WAS ASKING.
WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S, THAT'S CLARIFIED.
AND AGAIN, SO THIS IS STILL GOING TO GO IN FRONT OF PLANNING COMMISSION AND TOWN COUNCIL FOR TWO READINGS.
SO WE'LL, WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT THIS IS JUST, UM, JUST KIND OF A OUTLINE.
UM, AND THEN THE APPEALS, UM, WE DON'T HAVE ANY INFORMATION CURRENTLY IN THE CODE THAT DEALS WITH APPEALS.
SO WE'VE, UH, INCLUDED THAT INFORMATION.
UH, NEXT, UM, KIND OF GOING DIGGING INTO A PORTION OF ARTICLE FIVE, THIS IS DEALING WITH PARKING.
SO OVERALL, UM, WHAT WE'RE LOOKING TO DO IS ELIMINATE, UH, AND, AND AGAIN, THERE'S PORTIONS OF THIS THAT ARE IN THE OVERALL UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT ARTS, UH, FOR ALL OF THE 8%.
AND THEN THERE'S OTHER AREAS THAT FOCUS MAINLY ON THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.
SO, UM, THE ELIMINATION OF PUBLIC PARKING WITHIN 500 FEET OF THE USED BEING COUNTED TOWARDS THE PARKING REQUIREMENT.
NOW THAT'S, UM, AN EXAMPLE OF IF THE TOWN LEASES, UM, BASED FROM CORNERSTONE FOR PARKING SPACES, UM, ANY PROPERTY WITHIN 500 FEET, UM, COULD POTENTIALLY SAY LIKE, I'M USING THAT PARKING TO MEET
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MY PARKING REQUIREMENT.BUT NOW IT SAYS THAT CURRENTLY, AND I'LL, I'LL BE HONEST, WE HAVE BEEN FORCING IT TO MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE ARE PROVIDING THE PARKING ONLINE.
SO WE WANT TO ELIMINATE THIS STATEMENT COMPLETELY.
UM, NOW THERE IS A PROVISION WHERE THE ON STREET PARKING THAT IS IMMEDIATELY IN FRONT OF YOUR LOT, YOU CAN USE THAT TO HELP MEET YOUR PARKING REQUIREMENTS.
THAT STAYS YEAH, THAT STAYS, THIS IS, THIS IS PREVENTING 15 BUSINESSES FROM USING THE SAME PARKING LOT TO SAY THAT THEY'RE MEETING THEIR PARKING REQUIREMENTS.
SO HOW MANY CAN YOU USE IF YOU HAVE TWO IN FRONT OF YOUR BUSINESS? YOU CAN USE BOTH OF THOSE TWO.
TWO TO HELP MEET YOUR PARKING REQUIREMENTS.
BUT IT HAS TO BE IN FRONT OF YOUR, IMMEDIATELY IN FRONT OF YOUR LIGHT.
THAT'S CURRENTLY IN THE CODE AND CURRENTLY ALLOWED.
WE SUPPOSED TO, UH, UN REQUESTING AN APPLICATION IN A PROVEN ONE.
THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO MEET THEIR PARKING REQUIREMENT.
UM, THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE PARKING THAT, THAT WAS PAID FOR BY, BY TAX PAYER.
I THOUGHT WE BROUGHT, WE, WE, WE, WE CHANGED IT.
THIS THIS LINE THAT'S IN THE UNIFOR UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT ORDINANCE IS FOR SOME REASON WAS A CARRYOVER.
AND WE'RE ELIMINATING THAT SO THAT WAY PEOPLE CAN'T MEET THEIR PARKING REQUIREMENTS WITH THE TOWN, TOWN PARKING LOT.
CAN I THINK TOO, KEVIN, THE ONLY CHANGE WE HAD MADE ORIGINALLY WAS REGARDING RESTAURANTS.
HE COULDN'T USE THEIR PARKING THAT WAS ALLOWED TO THEM PREVIOUSLY FROM THE STREET PARKING.
AND THEY HAVE TO PROVIDE THE PARKING THAT LY NEEDED.
THAT THEY COULDN'T, UM, THEY RESTAURANTS WERE NOT ALLOWED TO HAVE SHARED PARKING.
UM, IS THAT, DID THAT ANSWER? YES, SIR.
UM, COMPACT CARS, UM, ONE OF THE ITEMS WE'D LIKE TO DO IS REDUCE THE NUMBER OF, UM, COMPACT CARS THAT CAN BE USED TO MEET PARKING REQUIREMENTS.
UM, SO, YOU KNOW, IF YOU HAVE, IF YOU'RE REQUIRED FOUR PARKING SPACES, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THEM COULD BE A COMPACT SPACE.
IF YOU'RE REQUIRED 40 SPACES, 10 OF THOSE COULD BE A COMPACT CAR SPACE.
UM, SO WHAT WE'RE LOOKING TO DO IS CHANGE THAT TO WHERE ONLY 10% COULD POTENTIALLY BE USED FOR COMPACT CAR SPACES.
AND WE'RE ACTUALLY PROVIDING, UM, A, UH, THE DIMENSIONS OF, OF A COMPACT SPACE, CUZ IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT CLEARLY DEFINED AS WHAT CONSTITUTES AS A, A COMPACT CAR SPACE.
UM, WHAT WE'RE DOING IS CURRENT AND CURRENT PARKING SPACE IS NINE FEET WIDE BY 18 FEET IN LENGTH.
UH, OUR SUGGESTION IS TO GO TO EIGHT FEET WIDE, STILL REQUIRE THAT THE 18 FEET IN LENGTH, UM, BECAUSE THE LENGTH OF THE VEHICLE, YOU KNOW, DOESN'T CHANGE AS MUCH AS AS THE WIDTH.
UM, AND THEN ALSO THE WAY THAT THE CODE IS WRITTEN NOW IS THAT COMPACT OR GOLF CART COULD BE USED TO MEET YOUR PARKING REQUIREMENTS.
UH, SO WHAT'S HAPPENING IS THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU ARE, THEN AGAIN, BACK TO THE, THE 40 AND 10 RULE.
IF YOU'RE REQUIRED 40 PARKING SPACES, 10 OF THEM CAN BE COMPACT OR GOLF CART.
SO THEN YOU COULD TECHNICALLY HAVE 10 GOLF CART PARKING SPACES IN THERE.
UM, SO WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS THAT YOU CAN'T USE GOLF CART PARKING SPACES TO MEET YOUR PARKING REQUIREMENTS.
YOU CAN STILL HAVE THEM, YOU CAN CREATE GOLF CART PARKING SPACES, THEY JUST CAN'T BE THERE TO MEET YOUR MINIMUM PARKING REQUIREMENTS.
AND THEN AS WELL, DIMENSION WISE, WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE PROVIDING, UH, DIMENSIONS, UM, WE HAVE IT'S, UH, SIX OR SEVEN FEET IN WIDTH BY 12 TO 13 FEET IN LENGTH FOR WHICH, FOR GOLF CART.
YEAH, KEVIN, ON THAT, BUT DID YOU, I'M SURE YOU GOT THOSE NUMBERS, THOSE DIMENSIONS FROM SOMEWHERE.
I'M JUST IN, I'M JUST ENVISIONING A POSSIBLE TREE OR A PLANTER OR LANDSCAPING IN SOME OF THESE SITUATIONS WHERE THERE WOULD BE ROOM FOR A COMPACT CAR TO PARK, BUT NOT A FULL SIZE NINE BY 18 PARKING SPOT IN A, YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT I'M SAYING? THE 18 FOOT FOR A COMPACT CAR? I'M NOT SURE I WOULD AGREE PERSONALLY ON THAT BECAUSE THEY AREN'T, YOU KNOW, THEY, I DON'T KNOW, YOU KNOW, IS THE 18 FEET FOR THE COMPACT OR FULL SIZE? YEAH, BOTH.
MAY, IF I MAY, UM, JUST THE WORK
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THAT I'VE DONE ON HILTON HEAD, THEIR COMPACTS PARK PARKING SPACES ARE NINE BY 15 AND, UM, 15%.AND FROM MY EXPERIENCE, THAT'S WORKED OUT WELL AND IT'S ALLOWED TO SAVE TREES.
UM, AND GENERALLY CAUSE CARS ARE TYPICALLY ABOUT THE SAME WIDTH, APPROXIMATELY, IT'S THE LENGTH THAT WHERE THEY CHANGE MOST SUBSTANTIALLY MINOR.
AND WE, WHAT WE CAN DO IS WE CAN WE'LL LOOK INTO THAT.
UM, AND, AND MAYBE IT'S ONE OR THE OTHER AWESOME IN, IN SITUATIONS LIKE THAT WHERE YOU NEED TO SHORTEN IT UP, THAT MIGHT BE AN OPPORTUNITY.
UM, AND THEN THE GOLF CART, UH, AGAIN, IT'S THOSE SIX OR SEVEN FEET AND WIDTH BY 12 TO 13 FEET.
AGAIN, CAN'T BE USED TO MEET YOUR MINIMUM PARKING REQUIREMENTS, BUT STILL ALLOW FOR PEOPLE TO PUT THEM IN THERE.
THAT'S JUST CLEARLY NOT DEFINED AS TO WHAT A GOLF CART PARKING SPACE IS.
UM, THE NEXT ITEM, I'M, I'M LOOKING FOR A, A A YAY OR A NAY TO MOVE FORWARD WITH.
UM, IT'S DEALING WITH ELECTRICAL VEHICLES.
IF WE WANT TO, UM, REQUIRE ELECTRICAL VEHICLE CHARGING STATIONS FOR CERTAIN USES.
NOW WE HAVE NOT PUT A LOT OF, UM, RESOURCES AND EFFORT INTO THIS.
UM, AND THIS WOULD GO BEYOND THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.
SO MAINLY LIKE YOUR LARGE COMMERCIAL CENTERS, YOUR BELL FAIR, YOUR, UM, YOUR, UH, BELL FAIR COMMONS.
UM, I'M TRYING TO THINK OF SOME OTHER SHERIDAN PARK AREAS.
LARGER, LARGER PARKING LOTS WHERE THEY CAN EASILY ACCOMMODATE, UH, ELECTRIC, UH, ELECTRIC, UH, VEHICLE CHARGING STATIONS.
UM, THOUGHTS? FROM MY STANDPOINT, I'M DEFINITELY GONNA BE A YALE NET.
THIS IS SIMILAR TO WHAT WE SEE WITH, UM, I THINK CURRENTLY TAN IS ONE OF THE ONLY ONES THAT SEE OPERATING WITH THIS METHOD WHERE THEY DO HAVE, YOU KNOW, A FEW PARKING SPACES DESIGNATED TOWARDS THAT.
SO I THINK THE IDEA THAT, UM, LARGER COMMERCIAL USES WOULD DEFINITELY BE ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE THAT.
AND YOU SAID A, YOU SAID A YAY IS A, FOR ME.
I THINK YOU'D LIKE TO DISTILLATE WITH A HUNDRED SOMEWHAT PARKING SPOTS.
COULD THAT BE A CONSIDERATION IN THE FUTURE? UM, WE, WE HAVE NO PROVISIONS SET RIGHT NOW.
THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN DO SOME RESEARCH ON.
UM, AND THEN WHEN WE BRING IT BACK TO YOU, WE CAN KIND OF FLUSH OUT THE THRESHOLD OF, OF, YOU KNOW, IF, IF YOU GO OVER A HUNDRED PARKING SPACERS OR WHATEVER THAT NUMBER IS, UH, YOUR REPORT, WE'LL JUST END UP WITH ALL 99 PARKING, SPOT PARKING.
UM, PERSONALLY, I, I'M NOT AGAINST THAT.
I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S OUR, I DON'T KNOW IF WE SHOULD BE IMPOSING THAT BECAUSE THE, THE BUSINESS OWNER'S CLIENTELE WILL EVENTUALLY DICTATE WHAT KIND OF PARKING, WHAT KIND OF SERVICES THEY HAVE, WHETHER IT'S A GAS STATION OR AN ELECTRICAL CHARGING SYSTEM.
UM, I WOULDN'T FIGHT AGAINST IT IF EVERYBODY THINKS IT'S SOMETHING WE OUGHT TO DO, BUT I'M NOT TOO SURE THAT THAT'S PART OUTREACH, PART OF A DEVELOPMENT PLAN, NOT THE BUILDING SPECIFIC, BUT LIKE THE, THE TOTAL DEVELOPMENT AND WE'RE KIND OF IMPOSING IT NOW FOR GOLF CARTS.
LIKE WHO WOULD'VE THOUGHT 20 YEARS AGO THAT THERE WOULD'VE BEEN A NEED TO INCLUDE A STIPULATION LIKE THAT IN OUR UDO? AND WE ARE HERE NOW AND FOLKS ARE DRIVING TO RESTAURANTS AND OTHER PLACES ON THEIR GOLF CARTS.
I THINK HAVING THE PROVISION WHEN WE, UM, IF WE COME TO IT OR ADDRESS IT IS BETTER TO INCLUDE IT NOW, THEN TO NOT, AND THEN HAVE TO GO BACK AND TRY TO MAKE THOSE ACCOMMODATIONS.
I THINK THAT'S CALLED, UM, FORCING SOMEONE TO DO, UH, SOMETHING AGAINST THEIR WILL.
SO I DON'T AGREE THAT WE SHOULD ENFORCE IT, BUT I THINK WE SHOULD MAKE IT, UM, THAT WE WOULD, UM, ENCOURAGE IT OR WE WOULD PUT IT IN THE AS IT'S, IT'S, UM, NOT THAT IT REQUIRED, BUT WE WOULD, WE WOULD INCENTIVIZE IT.
UM, AND, AND BRIDGET, I DON'T THINK THE GOLF CART IS THE SAME CHARGING AS ELECTRIC VEHICLES.
NO, I'M NOT, I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT IT IN TERMS OF CHARGING.
I'M SAYING HAVING THE FORESIGHT.
WE DO HAVE RESIDENTS, YOU KNOW, WHO DO HAVE, UH, ELECTRIC VEHICLES AND I JUST SEE THE OPTION OF, IF IT IS A LARGER, UH, SPACE TO BE ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE THOSE NEEDS JUST AS WE ARE CONSIDERING THE ACCOMMODATION OF THE NEEDS OF PEOPLE WHO WANNA ARRIVE AT PLACES NOW WITH GOLF CARTS, MAKING SURE IF THEY HAVE A PLACE TO PARK TOO.
YEAH, I, I'M, AND I, I SEE WHERE YOUR POINT,
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BUT ALSO, I MEAN, WE DON'T, WE'RE NOT GONNA REQUIRE GAS STATIONS AT EVERY DEVELOPMENT, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, GOLF, ELECTRIC CARS, IF YOU DRIVE FROM YOUR HOUSE TO A RESTAURANT OR A BUSINESS, YOU KNOW, TO, TO DO BUSINESS, YOU BETTER CHECK YOUR GAUGE BEFORE YOU, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? IT'S JUST LIKE US CHECKING OUR GAS TANK OR OUR GOLF CART CHARGE.YOU GOTTA MAKE SURE YOU GOT ENOUGH TO GO AND COME TO WHERE YOU'RE, YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? BUT EXACTLY.
WE'RE NOT JUST PLANNING THOUGH.
FOR THOSE WHO ARE CURRENTLY HERE, WE'RE ALSO PLANNING FOR THOSE WHO ARE VISITING.
WE HAVE A, UM, A HUGE POPULATION IN TERMS OF TRANSIENT SURE.
VISITORS TOO COME TO VISIT HERE.
SO IF I'M LOOKING TO VISIT THE AREA, THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING I CONSIDER IF I'M COMING, IS IT GONNA BE A, A PLACE THAT'S ACCOMMODATING ME IF I DO NEED A CHARGE? OR IS IT A PLACE THAT HASN'T EVEN THOUGHT OF THAT YET? IT'S KIND OF LIKE, WELL THAT MIGHT BE A TOWN THAT I'M SKIPPING.
IF I'M, IF I AM A PERSON THAT, THAT WOULD NEED THAT USE, LET GO THROUGH SAVANNAH THEN CANCELED WAY OF, UM, YOU'RE, YOU'RE NOT, YOU'RE NOT OPPOSED TO IT, BUT JUST YOU'RE, YOU'RE OPPOSED TO RENTAL MANDATED TO MANDATE IT.
SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'LL LOOK AT IS ENCOURAGING AND THEN INCENTIVIZING.
SO WE'LL FIND WAYS TO THAT IF, IF, IF YOU DO CHOOSE TO DO THAT, HERE ARE YOUR INCENTIVES TO, TO DO IT.
SO WE'LL, WE'LL DO SOME RESEARCH ON THAT.
I MEAN, YOU CAN, YOU CAN LOOK AT THIS FROM TWO DIFFERENT WAYS.
YOU CAN LOOK AT THIS AS, UM, UH, WE SHOULD REQUIRE IT, UM, BECAUSE THAT WILL, UH, BASICALLY INCENTIVIZE PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN THE TOWN TO BUY ELECTRIC VEHICLES TO GO OUT IF THEY KNOW THEY CAN TAKE CARE OF IT OR PEOPLE THAT ARE VISITING.
BUT YOU CAN ALSO, UH, LIKE, UM, COUNCILMAN TUMOR WAS SAYING, UH, MARKET FORCES WILL A LOT OF TIMES STRAIGHTEN SOMETHING LIKE THIS OUT.
I MEAN, THE REASON THE PARKERS JUST GOT BILLED ON BLUFFTON PARKWAY IS BECAUSE THERE'S A DEMAND FOR ANOTHER GAS STATION THERE.
SO AS ELECTRIC VEHICLES BECOME MORE POPULAR, THERE ARE GONNA BE MARKET FORCES DRIVING THAT AS WELL.
BUT I LOVE THE IDEA OF INCENTIVIZING.
QUESTION KATHLEEN, DO YOU SEE ANYTHING IN THE MARKETPLACE? WHAT ARE YOU SEEING? UM, I WILL SAY FROM A PERSPECTIVE OF DOING DEVELOPMENT TOWN, HILTON HEAD HAS ELECTRICAL VEHICLE CHARGING STATION REQUIRED AND HAS HAD THIS REQUIREMENT FOR YEARS OF LATE.
THEY'RE NOW ADDING A, HAS TO BE ADA COMPLIANT AS WELL.
SO IT'S TICKING UP A LOT MORE ROOM.
AND ADDITIONALLY WHAT I'M SEEING ON TOWN HILTON HEAD IS THOSE SPACES ARE OFTEN SITTING EMPTY.
SO I, I STRUGGLE WITH, UM, WANTING TO IT SIMILAR TO COUNCILMAN TO AND HAMILTON HAVE SAID IS I'D BE MORE INTO THE ENCO PLACE OF ENCOURAGING RATHER THAN FORCING.
THEY'RE ALSO, UM, KEVIN BRINGS UP AN INTERESTING POINT, DOING IT BY USE.
UM, TOWN, HILTON HEAD DOES IT BY PERCENTAGE OF DEVELOPMENT THAT'S HAPPENING ON THE PROPERTY, PERCENTAGE OF BUILDING CHANGE, IF YOU CHANGE MORE THAN 50% OF YOUR BUILDING IS REQUIRED, UM, OR IF YOU'RE DOING A NEW DEVELOPMENT, I DON'T THINK THIS IS APPROPRIATE IN A LOT OF PLACES.
UM, PARTICULARLY IF YOU'RE A NONPROFIT AND WITHOUT BIG DOLLARS, UM, REQUIRING THEM AND FORCING TO DO THAT.
IT'S JUST, IT, IT'S INHIBITING OF THEIR ABILITY, YOU KNOW, SERVE THE COMMUNITY.
UM, LARGE COMMERCIAL CENTERS MAKE MORE SENSE JUST FROM A, PEOPLE ARE GOING THERE AND THEY'RE SPENDING TIME BREWERIES MAKE SENSE.
BUT AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW THAT I WOULD FORCE THE ISSUE.
I THINK I ASKED THIS LAST TIME, UM, WHEN YOU PLUG YOUR EL, I DON'T HAVE AN ELECTRIC CAR.
SOMETHING'S STILL DONE TO THE FACT WHEN YOU PLUG YOUR CAR HANDLE, DON'T YOU HAVE TO PAY MM-HMM.
IT'S NOT A, I DON'T THINK JUST I YOU PLUG YOUR CAR HANDLE SOMEBODY'S ELECTRICITY, I DON'T THINK SOMEBODY'S GOTTA PAY THE BILL.
YEAH, WELL TALK ABOUT THAT IN STRATEGIC.
I THINK YOU PUT A CARD WHO, WHO HAS AN ELECTRIC CARD SOMEWHERE? IT DEPENDS ON HOW YOU SET IT UP.
SOME, SOME OF THEM, THEY SET 'EM UP WHERE THEY'RE FREE BECAUSE THEY WANT YOU TO LIKE THEIR BUSINESS TO USE IT IN THERE.
BUT SOME OF THEM, YES, LIKE THE TESLA, LIKE SUPERCHARGES, YOU MIGHT HAVE TO, SOME OF 'EM YOU MAY HAVE TO PAY SO MUCH TO CHARGE YOUR CAR IF YOU'RE NOT A TESLA OWNER OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
THAT MAY BE, BUT THEY'RE ALL A LITTLE DIFFERENT.
BUT SOME MAY BE FREE THAT SOME YOU MAY HAVE TO PAY FOR.
BUT I THINK THE MARKET IS GOING TO HANDLE THAT BECAUSE AGAIN, UH, JUST THIS LAST WEEK OR TWO, YOU MAY NOT ONLY, NOT ONLY JIM AND FORD, BUT DOWN MERCEDES IS GOING ALL ELECTRIC AND UH, THEY GOTTA HAVE A PLACE TO CHARGE THEIR PRODUCTS.
SO I THINK THIS IS GONNA COME IN THE MARKETPLACE MUCH FASTER THAN ANY OF US ANTICIPATED.
CUZ YOU'RE NOT GONNA HAVE AS MUCH GASOLINE VEHICLES OUT THERE.
YOU'RE GONNA HAVE MORE EV VEHICLES
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OUT THERE.YOU WANNA SAY SOMETHING? I'VE NOTICED, UH, SOME OF THE CHARGING STATIONS ARE FREE, SOME OF 'EM ARE NOT.
CAUSE THEY HAVE A CREDIT CARD SWIPE AGREEMENT AND IT DEPENDS ON THE PROPERTY.
I THINK, UH, JUST CHARGING STATION IS QUITE EXPENSIVE, ESPECIALLY IN THE LOCATION.
CAUSE THAT'S TAKEN TWO 20, IT'S NOT JUST ONE 20.
SO YOU'RE PUTTING IN A A 50 AMP CIRCUIT JUST TO THESE THINGS FOR HIGH CHARGING.
AND THOSE STATION GIZMOS ARE FAIRLY EXPENSIVE.
SO, AND, AND, AND THE ACTUAL COST OF THE KILOWATTS, ANYTIME THERE'S GOTTA BE A METER, SOMETHING'S IF IT'S PUTTING IT OUT, SOMEBODY, SOMEBODY'S GONNA BE PAYING FOR IT.
SOMETIMES THEY'RE FREE, SOMETIMES THEY'RE CHART SWIPE CARD AND SOMETIMES IT'S NOT THE ACTUAL BUSINESSES DOING IT, THEY WOULD BE CONTRACTING IT OUT TO A COMPANY WHO DOESN'T.
UM, THE NEXT ITEM THAT WE HAVE IS DEALING WITH OUTDOOR SALES.
SO THE WAY THAT THE, THE CODE IS CURRENTLY WRITTEN IS THAT, UM, MR. TUMOR, IF YOU, UM, DECIDED TO PUT, UM, SOME MERCHANDISE OUTSIDE OF, OF, UH, OF YOUR BUSINESS THAT'S ILLEGAL.
UM, SO WHAT WE'VE DONE IS WE'RE TRYING TO CHANGE THIS TO, THERE'S DIFFERENTIATING, UM, OUTDOOR SALES IN THE SENSE OF YOUR PUMPKIN PATCH, YOUR CHRISTMAS TREE, UM, VERSUS A, A RETAIL BUSINESS THAT IS DISPLAYING MERCHANDISE OUTSIDE.
UM, SO WE'RE MAKING SURE THAT THE CODE IS WRITTEN SO THAT WAY A BUSINESS, A RETAIL BUSINESS HAS THE OPPORTUNITY TO USE A, A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE OF AREA NOT BLOCKING A SIDEWALK, YOU KNOW, NOT IN A PARKING SPACE.
UM, BUT TO BE ABLE TO DISPLAY MERCHANDISE THAT WOULD NORMALLY BE PURCHASED INSIDE, THAT COULD BE OUTSIDE, THAT SOMEONE COULD WALK UP, GRAB IT, GO INSIDE, PAY FOR IT, AND LEAVE, UM, VERSUS THE, UM, THE SALES THAT WE HAVE, LIKE YOUR PLANT NURSERY, SEASONAL SALES.
UM, SO THAT INFORMATION WAS IN THERE, HOPEFULLY EVER HAD A CHANCE TO LOOK AT IT.
UH, WERE THERE ANY QUESTIONS, CONCERNS WITH THAT? A LOT OF THE ITEMS WE DO PICK UP THROUGH THE MOBILE VENDING, UH, P PROCESS.
SO, UM, IF SOMEONE WANTED TO DO, YOU KNOW, SALE OUT OF THEIR TRUCK OR, YOU KNOW, HAVE
UH, YOU KNOW, HE HAS A BIG TRAILER THAT YOU CAN WALK INTO TO SELL.
WELL, THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD FALL UNDER THAT MOBILE VENDING PERMIT.
SO, UH, WE DO HAVE OTHER AVENUES THAT WE'RE PICKING UP SOME OF THESE SALES.
NO, GU GRILL IS ON THE BUILDING.
THE, THE ONLY TO SIGN, THE ONLY CONCERN I HAD, UH, I THINK YOU JUST ADDRESSED WITH WHAT YOU SAID.
UM, THE EXAMPLE I CAN THINK OF IS WHEN, YEARS AGO WHEN WE APPROVED THE, UH, GOLF CART SALES, RETAIL SALES ACROSS FROM GARDEN GATE, RIGHT.
IN THE PRO NOD, UH, THERE WAS A LENGTHY DISCUSSION.
HE WANTED TO PUT GOLF CARTS ABOUT EIGHT OR 10 GOLF CARTS OUTSIDE THE BUILDING.
AND THE FINAL SOLUTION WAS ONE, AND HE CAN ROLL THE DOORS UP.
SO IT'S NOT LIKE THEY CAN VOMIT ALL THEIR STUFF, ADD ONTO THE SIDEWALK.
THAT, THAT'S THE ONLY CONCERN I HAVE IS WE DON'T WANT TO, YEAH, I THINK WE HAVE, UM, AGGREGATE OUTDOOR SALES ITERATION.
I EXCEED 25% OF HEATED FOOTPRINT OF THE BUILDING IN WHICH THE PRIMARY RETAIL BUSINESS IS BEING CONDUCTED.
SO THAT JUST KIND OF GIVES YOU AN IDEA.
UH, I MEAN, IF, IF YOU HAVE A A THOUSAND SQUARE FEET, NO MORE THAN 250 SQUARE FEET COULD BE USED.
SO, AND YOU CAN'T BUFFER THE SIDEWALK.
YOU CAN'T BE IN THE ROAD AND YEAH.
SO I MEAN, IT, IT, YOU KNOW, IT, IT REDUCES THE PHYSICAL AMOUNT OF SIZE THAT, THAT YOU CAN REALLY USE.
CAN IT BE LOCATED IN SETBACK OR BUFFER? WELL, YEAH, I MEAN, IT WOULD BE, I MEAN, IT, IT COULD OBVIOUSLY IF YOU HAVE A, A BUFFER, IF YOU HAVE LIKE A, A DEDICATED BUFFER, YOU HAVE A DEDICATED, UM, YOU KNOW, LANDSCAPE AREA, YOU'RE NOT GONNA PUT IT SPECIFICALLY IN THERE.
BUT IF YOU HAD LIKE A, LIKE A GREEN SPACE OF SOME SORT, UH, YOU KNOW, YOU COULD EASILY GO THERE.
IF YOU HAD A, A, A PATIO THAT WAS, YOU KNOW, 10 FEET IN WIDTH, YOU KNOW, AS LONG AS YOU KEPT FIVE FEET ACCESSIBLE, THEN YOU'D HAVE, YOU KNOW, FIVE FEET, AND I'M JUST USING JUST NUMBERS RIGHT NOW, THEN YOU COULD POTENTIALLY USE FIVE FEET FOR OF THE, THAT OTHER AREA TO
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HAVE MERCHANDISE UP THERE.IS THERE SOMETHING PREVENTING THEM FROM, CAN WE INCLUDE LANGUAGE? IT BASICALLY INDICATES THAT THEY CANNOT PUT IT IN, IN A BUFFER BECAUSE I, I KNOW AS A BUSINESS OWNER, IF I'VE GOT LAND THAT I CAN ENCROACH UPON TO DO A BIT MORE, CAN INCREASE MY SALES, UM, I'M NOT GONNA TAKE THE SHRUB OUT, BUT I'M CERTAINLY GONNA SHOVE IT UP AGAINST THE SHRUB AND TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THAT SPACE.
WE'LL MAKE SURE TO, TO INCORPORATE THAT IN.
AND THEN A QUESTION I HAVE, SO IS THIS, IS THIS, UM, AND FORGIVE ME, YOU MAY HAVE INCLUDED THIS IN THE LANGUAGE OR STATED, AND I MAY HAVE MISSED IT.
DO THEY HAVE TO BE ABLE TO PULL THIS UP IN EVERY NIGHT? YES.
AND THAT WOULD BE INCLUDED IN LANGUAGE? YEAH.
UM, WHAT ABOUT, AND IT, YOU SAID IT HAS TO BE ASSOCIATED WITH THE USE OF THE BUSINESS ITSELF.
SO I COULD NOT, YOU CAN'T HAVE A SEPARATE BUSINESS.
SO I AM, I AM BUSINESS A, I OWN THE PROPERTY, THE BUILDING.
YOU ARE BUSINESS B AND YOU'RE SAYING LIKE, HEY, CAN I JUST SET, CAN I SET UP IN YOUR 25% OF AREA AND START SELLING MY PRODUCT? NO, YOU CAN'T.
YOU HAVE TO BE ABLE, IT HAS TO BE FROM A POINT OF SALE STANDPOINT, IT HAS TO BE THE SAME MERCHANDISE THAT'S PURCHASED INSIDE.
SO, BUT THERE COULD BE TWO BUSINESSES INSIDE OF A, OF A BUILDING.
WELL, THEN THAT BUSINESS WOULD HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO USE IT.
BOTH BUSINESSES WOULD HAVE OPPORTUNITY.
I MEAN, AS LONG AS YOU HAVE, AS LONG AS YOU HAVE A BUSINESS INSIDE, YOU CAN DO IT.
I THINK IT'LL HELP SOME OF THE BUSINESSES.
IT, IT, IT PREVENTS A, A SEPARATE BUSINESS FROM SETTING UP SHOP OUTSIDE OF YOUR BUSINESS.
SO IT'S JUST RETAIL, NOT RESTAURANT.
UM, I, I SEE WHERE YOU'RE GOING IN YOUR LIKE T-SHIRTS, THINGS LIKE THAT, TO BE OUTSIDE OF A RESTAURANT.
I MEAN, I, I THINK WE CAN LOOK INTO IT.
IT'S HARD ENOUGH TO MAKE IT BUSINESS.
PICK UP A COUPLE EXTRA SALES, BUT SHOWCASING SOMETHING.
SO, BUT THEY CAN'T START SERVING FOOD OUT THERE.
YOU'D HAVE TO HAVE A WINDOW OR, YOU KNOW, ALL THAT OTHER STUFF.
HAVE ALL THAT PARKING AND ALL THAT STUFF.
UM, WHICH SONY DISTRICTS ARE EXCLUDED FROM? WELL, IT'S, IT'S THE USE A RETAIL USE.
SO INSTEAD OF, AND THAT'S THE ONLY ONE THAT'S EXCLUDED.
ANY OTHER U ALL THE OTHER USES, WE CAN HAVE THAT EXCLUSION OR IT IS ONLY FOR RETAIL.
UM, NEXT ITEM WE HAVE IS, SO WE'RE KIND OF SHIFTING OVER INTO SOME OF THE, UM, UH, THIS MAINLY IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.
UM, SO CURRENTLY WE HAVE, UM, WE HAVE THE VARIOUS BUILDING TYPES THAT ARE ALLOWED, UH, IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.
WE HAVE ONE THAT'S LISTED, IT'S CALLED JUST LARGE FOOTPRINT BUILDINGS.
UM, AND OUR GOAL IS TO JUST GO AHEAD AND REMOVE THIS COMPLETELY.
UM, I'M, I'M GOING TO SPECULATE THAT DURING, UM, DURING THE CREATION OF THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT ORDINANCE, YOU KNOW, LARGE FOOTPRINT BUILDINGS WERE PROBABLY THOUGHT OF AND BE A GREAT IDEA.
UM, YOU KNOW, IN 2006 THROUGH 2011, A LOT LESS WAS DEVELOPED, UH, THROUGH, THROUGH OLD TOWN.
SO THE THOUGHT OF MAYBE A FULL BLOCK BUILDING MIGHT HAVE BEEN APPROPRIATE.
HOWEVER, I THINK THAT, UH, IN THAT TIME, WE'VE ALL COME TO THAT REALIZATION THAT THE, THE SMALLER SCALE IS WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR.
UM, AND JUST ELIMINATING THIS COMPLETELY PREVENTS ANYONE FROM COMING IN AND, AND LITERALLY BUILDING A BUILDING OF AN ENTIRE BLOCK.
MY UNDERSTANDING IS TOWN COUNCIL AS WELL AS PLANNING COMMISSION IN THE, IN HPC, IS THAT YOU DON'T WANT TO SEE A BIG, MASSIVE, LONG BUILDING UP ON THE STREET.
YOU WANT THE MORE, UH, PEDESTRIAN SCALE, THE MASSIVE SCALE THAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT, UH, OF, OF INDIVIDUALIZED BUILDINGS AS OPPOSED TO ONE LONG BUILDING.
SO OUR, OUR RECOMMENDATION IS THAT THIS ITEM IS JUST REMOVED COMPLETELY FROM THE U D O.
I'M GONNA KEEP MOVING ON IN THE INTEREST OF TIME.
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THE NEXT THAT WE HAD WAS DEALING WITH ACCESSORY STRUCTURES.UH, WE JUST WANTED TO PROVIDE SOME CLARIFICATION, UM, AS TO WHAT'S DEFINED AS AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE.
UH, CURRENTLY, UM, WE'RE UPDATING THE DEFINITION OF A GARDEN STRUCTURE AND THEN A SHED, WHICH IS, UM, STRUCTURES THAT ARE UNDER, UH, 120 SQUARE FEET.
AND THOSE ARE, UM, ANY, ANY STRUCTURE UNDER HUNDRED, 120 SQUARE FEET, 120 SQUARE FEET, UM, DOES NOT REQUIRE A BUILDING PERMIT.
UM, SO THAT'S, THAT'S NUMBER ONE.
WE ALSO WANT TO JUST HAVE AN, AN ACTUAL DEFINITION OF ACCESSORY STRUCTURES, WHICH WILL INCLUDE YOUR GARDEN STRUCTURE, YOUR SHEDS, YOUR CARRIAGE HOUSES.
UM, SO WE'RE CHANGING THOSE, AGAIN, THOSE MINIMUM RANGES.
AND THEN ALSO MAKING SURE THAT, UM, ANYONE COULD HAVE UP TO THREE OF THE, UH, GARDEN STRUCTURES ON YOUR PROPERTY.
THIS IS IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.
SO IF THEY'RE USED FOR COMMERCIAL, A COMMERCIAL USE, THAT 120 SQUARE FEET WOULD COUNT TOWARDS, LIKE MEETING YOUR PARKING REQUIREMENT.
UM, SO AN EXAMPLE IS, UH, BEHIND NECTAR.
UH, THEY PUT IN TWO, TWO STRUCTURES BACK THERE THAT ARE USED FOR, UM, THEIR WALK-IN COOLERS.
UM, OVER AT THE MA DAISY, WE HAVE A, AN AN OUTSIDE KIND OF GARDEN STRUCTURE THAT'S GONNA BE USED FOR WALK-IN COOLER.
THAT'S, THEY'LL STILL HAVE TO MEET THEIR PARKING REQUIREMENTS, BUT WE JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE, THEY SHOWS THAT THEY'RE, THEY'RE BEING ALLOWED, THEY CAN BE ALLOWED FOR COMMERCIAL USES, OBVIOUSLY FROM A DESIGN STANDPOINT, THEY HAVE TO, UM, THEY HAVE TO, UM, UH, BE IN HARMONY WITH THE, THE OTHER STRUCTURES THAT ARE ON THE PROPERTY.
UM, SO ANY QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, CONCERNS ABOUT THAT? THIS MAY BE PREMATURE, BUT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT OTHER ACCESSORY STRUCTURES BEYOND THE GARDEN SHEDS.
I DON'T SEE A LIMIT ON THE NUMBER OF THOSE TYPE OF STRUCTURES.
IS THAT COVERED BY ZONING OR SOMEWHERE ELSE? UM, CAUSE IT TALKS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE CARRIAGE, ANYTHING 121 SQUARE FEET OR LARGER, THERE'S ONLY ONE CARRIAGE HOUSE SUBMITTED FOR LATIN HISTORIC DISTRICT EXCEPT FOR THE RIVERFRONT EDGE UNTIL I WAS TWO.
SO CARRIAGE HOUSE, UM, THAT'S BEYOND, THAT'S THE OVER 200 SQUARE FEET.
SO YOU'RE ONLY ALLOWED ONE OF THOSE.
BUT THE GARDEN STRUCTURES WE'RE SAYING THREE UP TO THREE.
SO ANYTHING THAT'S ABOVE A HUNDRED, 121 SQUARE FEET OR ABOVE, THAT'S NOT A CARRIAGE HOUSE.
THAT'S SOME TYPE OF STRUCTURE.
ANY, IS THERE, WHAT NUMBER DID YOU SAY? OKAY, LET'S SAY YOU PUT 150 SQUARE FOOT GARAGE ON THERE.
IS THERE A LIMIT TO THE NUMBER OF GARAGES YOU CAN HAVE? YES.
THAT WOULD BE A UNDER 200 FEET, CORRECT.
NOW THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE SAYING.
21, THE TEXT HERE, GIVE ONE SECOND.
YEAH, I'M JUST, I'M LOOKING AT THE, UM, SO I GUESS WHAT I'M LOOKING AT IS ON PAGE 35 OF OUR REPORT UNDER SECTION 92, STRUCTURE ACCESSORY.
IT'S DEFINING THAT, BUT IT THEN STARTS TALKING ABOUT SHEDS AND GARDEN STRUCTURES.
SO ACCESSORY STRUCTURE IS YOUR OVERALL STATEMENT.
HERE'S WHAT ACCESSORY STRUCTURES ARE CLASSIFIED AS, AND THAT'S YOUR CARRIAGE, HOUSE'S, SHEDS, GARDEN STRUCTURES.
SO THAT'S AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE.
AND THEN WHAT WE'VE DONE IS WE BREAK, BROKE OUT WHAT THE DIFFERENCE IS BETWEEN A GARDEN STRUCTURE, WHICH SAYS HERE, IT SAYS ANY UNENCLOSED ACCESSORY STRUCTURE, BUT NOT LIMITED TO THE FENCES, WALLS, PERGO LOADS, DECKS, PATIOS, UM, AND SHALL COMPLY WITH THE ARCHITECTURAL REQUIREMENTS.
SO THE SHED IS A ONE STORY DETACHED ACCESSORY STRUCTURE THAT IS LESS THAN 120 SQUARE FEET.
SO, I'M SORRY, I GOT MY, MY, MY NAMING WRONG THERE.
SO THE SHEDS ARE THE ONES WHERE YOU COULD HAVE UP TO THE THREE.
ONLY ONE OTHERWISE, BUT ONE ACCESSORY.
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SO YOU CAN, YOU GOT ME CONFUSED NOW.SO YOU GOT LAWN, POOL AND STUFF THAT USED TO BE, YOU COULD BE UP THERE 200 SQUARE FEET, RIGHT THERE, THERE WAS NO, NO, THAT'S THE PROBLEM.
IT WAS THE, THE CODE WAS, IT HAD A GAP.
AND THAT WE'RE FILLING IN THAT GAP WHERE THERE WAS NO MAN'S LAND BETWEEN A 120 SQUARE FEET AND THAT 200 SQUARE FEET AS TO WHAT, WHAT WAS DEFINED IN THERE.
AND NOW WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS THAT IF YOU'RE OVER 200 SQUARE FEET, THAT'S A CARRIAGE HOUSE AND YOU GET THE ONE UNDER 200 SQUARE FEET.
IT'S THE, SHE, IT'S THE SHED CAN'T BUILD SHE 200 FEET'S.
YOU CAN BUILD UP THE THREE OF THEM.
AND IF IT'S LESS THAN 121 SQUARE FEET, YOU DON'T NEED A BUILDING.
BUT YOU'RE CHANGING 200 TO 1 21 FROM 200 FEET TO ONE.
YOUR LAST DOESN'T NEED A BUILDING.
YEAH, WE'RE CHANGING IT FROM 200.
SO THIS RIGHT HERE SHOULD HAVE ADDED A LITTLE EXTRA TEXT.
THIS 200 SIZE RANGE THAT THEN GOES DOWN TO THE 1 21.
SO, BUT YOU CAN HAVE THREE OF THOSE SHEDS.
IT'S LESS THAN ONE, LESS THAN ONE 20.
SO IF YOU, YOU CAN HAVE THREE, THREE SHEDS AT ONE 20 OR PLUS OR ONE HERE HALF AT 200, NO, ONE 20 OR MORE.
I DON'T THINK IT'S AN R I THINK YOU COULD HAVE THREE PLUS THE ONE.
YEAH, YOU HAVE THREE PLUS THE ONE.
THREE PLUS THREE PLUS THE ONE.
SO YOU COULD HAVE FREE SHEDS AND ONE CARRIAGE HOUSE ON YOUR PROPERTY UP TO NOW
AND WHEN YOU SAY ENCLOSED, YOU'RE, ARE, YOU'RE NOT REFERRING TO HEATED, ARE YOU REFERRING TO IT HAS WALLS OR IT HAS ROOF, OR IT HAS, YES.
WELL, I, I WAS REFERRING TO THE UNDER GARDEN STRUCTURE, UNENCLOSED.
SO ANY UNENCLOSED, SO NO, NO WALLS.
WHAT WOULD CALLED, THAT'S THE OTHER ONES.
UH, 9.2 GARDEN STRUCTURE, ANY UNENCLOSED ACCESSORY STRUCTURE, INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED DEFENSES.
WALLS, COLAS, GAZEBOS DECKS, AND PATIOS.
PAGE 35, THAT IMPLIES NO ROOF.
THE ROOF IS WHAT MAKES IT AN ENCLOSURE.
JUST SOME MUD THAT, WHAT IS YOUR, AN OUTDOOR SHOWER? LET'S SAY IT'S, UH, LET'S SAY IT'S A LOT UP ON GOVE ROAD, THAT'S AN ACRE AND A HALF.
THEY CAN STILL ONLY HAVE THE THREE PLUS THE ONE THAT'S NOT THE HISTORIC DISTRICT COVERED AND U COVERED.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS IS MAINLY, YEAH, THIS, I THINK THIS NEEDS TO BE LOOKED AT, MARKED ON SOMEWHERE.
CAN I ASK ONE QUICK? SO MAYBE THE WAY TO GO AROUND THIS, AS IM SITTING HERE LISTENING, THE CONVERSATION IS FEEDBACK ON WHAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE PERMITTED AS FAR AS THE NUMBERS AND GAZEBOS.
AND THEN WE CAN LOOK AT THE LANGUAGE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE MEET, UM, YOU'RE INTENT, IF THAT'S HELPFUL AT ALL.
CAUSE I KNOW YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A GARAGE, A SHED, A COOLER.
WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE, WHAT, IS THERE A LIMIT YOU'D LIKE TO SEE? DO YOU WANT STAFF TO LOOK AT THAT AND THEN WE AT LEAST KNOW HOW TO CRACK, YOU KNOW, THEN WE CAN CRACK THE LANGUAGE TO MEET YOUR GOALS.
MY QUESTION IS, HOW DID WE DERIVE AT THREE? WE, WE JUST CHOSE THREE BECAUSE YEARS AGO THEY TRIED TO DO 10 OR MORE.
SO SOMEBODY WENT TO THREE AND I'LL, IT'S BECAUSE A LOT OF THE REQUESTS WE GET, LIKE WE'VE HAD A, A LOT OF REQUESTS FOR THESE OUTDOOR COOLERS AND WE DIDN'T KNOW WHAT TO CALL 'EM.
WE DIDN'T KNOW HOW, HOW TO FIT IN THE UD.
SO HOW COOLERS LIKE YES, WALK-IN COOLERS, WALK-IN COOLERS, COMMERCIAL WALK, PUT A WALL AROUND THEM.
AND SO, SO WHEN WE, RIGHT, SO WHEN WE HAD TO REVIEW THE CODE, YOU KNOW, IT HAS TO FIT UNDER ONE OF THESE FORMS AND OUR FORM BASED CODE AND IT DIDN'T.
SO THAT'S WHAT THE GOAL HERE IS.
SO THAT'S WHAT THIS WAS AIMED AT.
SO, YOU KNOW, HOW DO YOU ADDRESS THAT? SO THAT'S KIND OF HOW WE GOT BACKWARDS
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TO THIS THREE, BECAUSE TYPICALLY YOU HAVE, WE'VE SEEN, YOU KNOW, A STORAGE SHED, YOU KNOW, TO JUST, I DON'T KEEP SOME MATERIALS COMMERCIAL, A COMMERCIAL PROPERTY.SO WHAT, WHAT WE CAN DO IS WE CAN, WE CAN WORK ON KIND OF BREAKING IT DOWN RESIDENTIAL COMMERCIAL AND THEN, AND THEN WE'LL MAKE SURE, SIMPLIFY SEATED AND UN WE'LL, YEAH, WE'LL SIMPLIFY THE LANGUAGE TO MAKE SURE THAT IT IS VERY CLEAR.
UM, BUT TYPICALLY YOU'RE, YOU'RE ALLOWED ONE PRINCIPAL STRUCTURE, SO THAT'S YOUR HOUSE OR YOUR BUSINESS, ONE CARRIAGE HOUSE.
AND THEN THAT'S WHERE IT GETS INTO THAT AMBIGUITY WHERE WE'RE LIKE, WELL, WHAT'S, WHAT, HOW MANY SHEDS ARE YOU ALLOWED? YOU KNOW, CUZ IT DIDN'T, IT DIDN'T STAY.
I THINK IT SAID ONE, UM, IT JUST SAID ONE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE, CARRIAGE HOUSE PER LOT.
IT DIDN'T SAY ANYTHING ABOUT GARDEN STRUCTURES, ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
SO WE'LL BREAK IT DOWN TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S CLEAN, CLEAN.
I I THINK THE COMMERCIAL AND THE RESIDENTIAL SHOULD BE SEPARATE.
WERE THEY TOTALLY SEPARATE? YEP.
ANOTHER QUESTION I HAVE IS, AND YOU SEE HOW CONFUSING IT IT IS CURRENTLY.
SO, UM, ANOTHER QUESTION I HAVE IS IN TERMS OF SIZE OF LOT AND SIZE, YOU KNOW, PERCENTAGE OF COVERAGE, HOW IT RELATES THE PERCENTAGE OF COVERAGE OF THE PROPERTY, BECAUSE YOU MAY NOT HAVE, YOU KNOW, YOU MAY BE AT YOUR LIMIT OF PERCENTAGE OF COVERAGE, SO YOU SHOULDN'T JUST BE ENTITLED TO HAVE IT, BUT I DON'T, YOU STILL HAVE TO GO BY YOUR SETBACKS AND ALL THAT ANYWAY BECAUSE STRUCTURE, RIGHT? YEAH, YOU SHOULD, IT SHOULD BE A PART OF THAT APPLICATION IN TERMS OF PROVIDING AT WHAT PERCENTAGE COVERAGE YOU HAVE.
THE NEXT ONE THAT WE HAVE IS STILL UNDER PRESERVATION IS DE-LISTING OF A CONTRIBUTING RESOURCE.
SO CURRENTLY IN THE CODE, WE HAVE HOW YOU CAN ADD A STRUCTURE, UH, TO THE CONTRIBUTING RESOURCE, UH, LIST.
UH, WHAT WE DON'T HAVE IT, WHAT WE DON'T HAVE IS A WAY TO, TO IN ESSENCE TAKE IT OFF OF THE LIST.
NOW, IN THE PAST, IT, IT HAS LITERALLY BEEN A LETTER TO THE TOWN MANAGER AND THEN KIND OF GOING THROUGH THAT PROCESS, WHAT WE'RE WANTING TO DO IS FORMALIZE IT IN THE, IN THE UDO.
SO THAT WAY THERE'S AN ACTUAL APPLICATION.
SO THE DESIGNATION OF A, UM, CONTRIBUTING RESOURCE AND THEN THE DE-LISTING.
SO IT'LL BE ON THE SAME APPLICATION AND SEE YOU'RE EITHER I WANT TO HAVE THIS ADDED TO THE LIST, OR I WANT TO HAVE THIS TAKEN OFF OF THE LIST.
AND THEN, UM, THEN IT'S AN ACTUAL FORMAL PROCESS, UH, OF THAT WE GO THROUGH.
IT WOULD GO TO HPC FOR RECOMMENDATION, UH, TO TOWN COUNCIL.
AND THEN THESE WOULD BE THE CRITERIA THAT ARE BEING USED.
SO NO LONGER MEETS THE CRITERIA FOR DESIGNATION OF QUALITIES THAT, UH, CAUSE IT TO ORIGINALLY BE DESIGNATED, WHICH HAVE BEEN LOST OR DESTROYED.
UH, PART TWO, THE CRITERIA TO DESIGNATED CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE, UH, RESOURCE THAT NO LONGER APPLIES SAMPLE IS IF YOU HAVE A STRUCTURE, IT JUST FALLS IN ON ITSELF COMPLETELY TO, IT'S JUST RUBBLE.
AND YOU WANT TO THEN SAY, HEY, LISTEN, LIKE IT'S, I I CAN'T DO ANYTHING WITH THIS ANYMORE.
I'D LIKE THIS TAKEN OFF OF THE LIST AND THEN IT BE DEMOLISHED.
SO, UH, THIS IS MORE FOR JUST PROCESS PURPOSES, SO THAT WAY WE CAN THEN TRACK IT.
BUT IN THE SAME BREATH, WE HAVE PASSED ORDINANCES TO PROTECT SOME OF THESE STRUCTURES FROM A SAFETY PERSPECTIVE, BUILDING CODED PERSPECTIVE YES.
TO PREVENT PEOPLE FROM JUST ARBITRARILY LETTING THEM FALL IN.
SO WE'VE GOT THAT IN OUR POCKET.
SHOULD THERE BE A VERDICT IN HERE THAT ADDRESSES THAT THOUGH? YES.
IT BACK, BECAUSE THAT'S MY ONE BIG NOTE HERE IS WHAT IF YOU HAVE SOMEBODY WHO NEGLECTS YES.
WHAT NEGLECTS THE PROPERTY AND ALLOW YEAH, THAT'S THAT PROACTIVE PRESERVATION WHERE WE CAN GO AFTER THEM TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY ARE MAINTAINING THE PROPERTY.
I'M JUST WONDERING IF HE SHOULD CROSS IN ANYWAYS.
BUT I THINK EXIST, I THINK HAVING THIS OPTIONAL IS DEFINITELY NEEDED BECAUSE THERE ARE INSTANCES WHERE THERE ARE PROPERTIES THAT SHOULD HAVE NEVER BEEN INCLUDED ON THE, UM, CURRENT REGISTRY THAT WE CREATED.
AND FOR THOSE OWNERS, IT, UM, IT RESTRICTS THEM IN BEING ABLE TO MOVE FORWARD WHEN THEY REALLY SHOULDN'T BE CLASSIFIED, UM, AS SUCH.
SO HAVING THIS OPTION HERE, I THINK IS A WAY TO HELP WITH, UM, WHAT WE TALK ABOUT AND TRYING TO GET AHEAD OF HELPING TO, UM, TO SAVE AND ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO KEEP, KEEP STRUCTURES THAT ARE ONES THAT ARE DEEMED, UM, HISTORIC.
ONE OF THE REASONS COUNCIL ALWAYS WANTED THE OPPORTUNITY FOR THESE STRUCTURES TO COME BACK AND FOR US IS OCCASIONALLY WE MAY RUN INTO A SITUATION WHICH I THINK THEY ALREADY EXIST.
UH, BUT LET'S JUST SAY THAT I HAVE A CONTRIBUTING RESOURCE AND GOSH, WE DON'T EVEN KNOW HOW MUCH MONEY, SOME OF THESE THINGS FOR REPAIRS WILL RUN NO MATTER WHAT, NO MATTER WHETHER YOU DO THE, UM,
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IT'S THE ORDINANCE THAT WE JUST PASSED FOR THE DAILY BILL AS SOME OTHERS, THERE'S NOT ENOUGH MONEY THERE.AND SO YOU CAN RUN INTO A HARDSHIP WHERE NO MATTER WHAT THE INTENTIONS OF A GOOD DAY MAY BE, YOU'LL NEVER BE ABLE TO HAVE THE RESOURCES TO REPLENISH THAT CONTRIBUTING RESOURCE.
SO I, I THOUGHT THAT THAT WAS SOMETHING COUNCIL ALWAYS LOOKED FOR TO COME BACK AND I DON'T KNOW WHERE THAT WOULD, THAT'S BE ON THE ONE BY ONE BASIS WHERE THAT'S CORRECT.
YEAH, IT BECAUSE THINGS, LIKE I'VE SAID A DOZEN TIMES ON THIS, EVERYTHING HAS AN EXPIRATION DATE, YOU KNOW, US, EVERYTHING THAT MAN MAKES, SOMEDAY IT'S GOING TO BE TO THE POINT WHERE IT CAN'T BE SAVED ANYMORE.
AND WHEN YOU HAVE SOME PEOPLE THAT OWN THE PROPERTY, THE STRUCTURES ARE THERE AND THEY WANT TO BUILD THEM A NICER HOUSE THAT TO LIVE IN THAN THEY CAN'T, THAT'S NOT RIGHT IN MY OPINION.
SOMETHING THAT, WELL, THAT'S WHY THIS IS, IT IS KIND HERE BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE WE'VE GOTTA END UP AS CONTROLLED.
THIS IS WHY THIS WOULD BE NECESSARY.
UM, AND THIS, SINCE THE PROPERTY THAT SITS ON THE CORNER OF, UM, OF WHARF RIGHT NOW, IF YOU HAVE THAT DESIGNATION, IT'S A GOOD THING IF YOU ARE A, A STRUCTURE THAT CAN BE SALVAGED, THAT CAN BE SAVED AND YOU HAVE MEANS.
BUT IF YOUR STRUCTURE IS FAR GONE BEYOND THE MEANS OF REPAIR AND YOU'RE STILL CONSIDERED HISTORIC, WHETHER IT'S IN RUIN OR NOT, YOU STILL HAVE THAT HERE TO WHATEVER THOSE UDO STANDARDS ARE IN TERMS OF SUPERIOR, YOU CAN'T EVEN DEMOLISH IT.
SO GIVING PEOPLE THIS OPTION, UM, IF IT IS A STRUCTURE THAT IS JUST GONE, IS GOOD.
WHEREAS RIGHT NOW THEY CAN'T DO ANYTHING WITH IT.
AND WHAT THIS, THIS PORTION RIGHT HERE IS JUST, IT'S IT'S PROCESS.
IT'S MORE FOR THE PROCESS OF IT.
SO THAT WAY WE CAN, WE CAN FORMALLY BRING IT IN FRONT OF YOU AS OPPOSED TO SOMEONE JUST, AGAIN, SENDING AN EMAIL TO THE TOWN MANAGER SAYING, I WANT THIS OFF THE LIST.
SO ANY ONE OF THE CHALLENGES WITH TAKING, WITH DELISTING THESE CONTRIBUTING RESOURCES, AND I'M, THIS ISN'T TO DISAGREE WITH ANY, ANYTHING THAT HAS BEEN SAID THUS FAR, IS THE, THE CONTRIBUTING RESOURCES THAT ARE ON THE LIST, UM, TYPICALLY ARE SPEAKING, ARE A SMALLER FOOTPRINT WITHIN THE BUILDING ENVELOPE OF THE PARCEL.
AND SO WHAT HAPPENS IS WHEN THOSE CONTRIBUTING RESOURCES COME DOWN, WHEN THEY'RE REDEVELOPED, THEY'RE TYPICALLY THOSE BUILDING ENVELOPES ARE NOW MUCH MORE MAXIMIZED IN TERMS OF, UM, THE PERCENTAGE OF COVERAGE.
YOU SEE A LOT HIGHER DENSITY DEVELOPMENT WITHIN OUR HISTORIC DISTRICT.
AND SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT CONCERNS ME, AND I TOTALLY RESPECT THAT SOME PEOPLE CAN'T AFFORD TO TAKE, UM, TO BRING THE PROPERTY UP TO THE LEVEL IT NEEDS TO BE FUNCTIONAL.
AND IT, I THINK THERE SHOULD BE AN OPTION TO BE ABLE TO DELIST, BUT I THINK THAT ALSO WE HAVE TO BE SENSITIVE TO THE NATURE THAT THAT'S GOING TO CHANGE TO OUR OLD TOWN AS WE CONTINUE TO DELIST SOME OF THESE CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES.
WELL, I THINK IN THE, THE SENSE OF THE OLD TOWN AREA, THAT, UM, ATTITUDE IS KIND OF A LITTLE, A LITTLE TOO LATE BECAUSE WE ALREADY SEE THESE MAXIMIZE THE DWELLINGS IN PLACES WHERE THEY DIDN'T EXIST, WHERE THERE WERE SMALLER FOOTPRINTS.
AND MANY OF THE OWNERS WHO CURRENTLY, UM, ARE IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT THAT STILL HAVE MANY OF THE PROPERTIES THAT ARE DEEMED HISTORIC.
SOME ARE, YOU KNOW, THE RY PROPERTY, A FEW OTHERS ON CALHOUN ABSOLUTELY ARE HISTORIC, BUT THERE ARE SOME THAT MADE ITS WAY TO THAT LIST ARBITRARILY THAT SHOULDN'T BE THERE AND HAVE GRASS AND OTHER THINGS JUST GROWING THROUGH IT.
AND YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT, UM, A HISTORIC STRUCTURE.
THERE IS NO, UH, ARCHITECTURE FEATURES OR WHATEVER THAT DEEM IT SUCH OTHER THAN THEY WERE ON THAT LIST.
AND THEY DO BECOME, UH, A BLIGHT FOR THE, THE TOWN ITSELF, BUT ALSO FOR THE PROPERTY OWNERS AND JUST GIVING A PROCESS THAT THEY CAN GO THROUGH TO BE ABLE TO MAKE THAT DETERMINATION IF IT IS OR ISN'T.
UM, I THINK IT'S GOOD TO HAVE AS OPPOSED JUST SAYING, YOU DEAL WITH IT, THIS STRUCTURE IS GONNA BE HISTORIC, YOU DON'T HAVE AN OPTION.
UM, I THINK GIVING PROCESSES AND HAVING A, SOME TYPE OF RESOLVE IS BETTER THAN JUST HAVING THEM NOT HAVE ANY TYPE OF RECOURSE.
ONE LAST COMMENT TO ME, THE FOR CLARITY, NO ONE ON COUNCIL AND, AND YOU DIDN'T INSINUATE THIS EITHER.
NO ONE ON COUNCIL HAS EVER WANTED TO FIND REASONS TO REMOVE RESOURCE, YOU KNOW, CONTRIBUTING RESOURCE STRUCTURES EVER.
BUT WE DO REALIZE THE REALITY OF LIFE, THAT WE'RE GONNA RUN INTO THOSE OCCASIONS WHERE THEY DO NEED A GOOD APPEAL PROCESS TO COME BEFORE THE COUNCIL, WHOEVER THEY MAY BE INTO THE FUTURE TO ARGUE THEIR CASE.
AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO GIVE HERE.
BUT I DO SEE DEVELOPERS BEING INCENTIVIZED TO PURCHASING A PROPERTY AND THEN ASKING FOR THE PROPERTY, THE
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CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE TO BE REMOVED SO THAT THEY CAN DEVELOP THE PROPERTY.THERE'S A, THERE IS A FINANCIAL INCENTIVE CUZ YOU CAN MAXIMIZE THE PROPERTY ONE THAT ONE SET.
AND AGAIN, THIS, THEY TRY THAT, BUT WE'VE GOT, YEAH, WE GOT THAT.
AGAIN, THIS IS JUST THIS, THIS IS, THIS IS TO, AGAIN, FOR THE PROCESS TO GIVE, GIVE THE AVENUE FOR SOMEONE TO, TO BRING IT FORWARD.
I DO HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION RELATED TO THIS.
AT SOME POINT SOMEBODY HAS WHISPERED INTO MY EAR, AND I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S TRUE OR NOT, UM, THAT THE TOWN HAS SOME KIND OF REQUIREMENT ASSOCIATED WITH THESE CONTRIBUTING RESOURCES.
AND I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S ASSOCIATED WITH THE GRANT THAT THEY HAVE TO HAVE A CERTAIN NUMBER OR IS THAT TRUE OR A CERTAIN, AM I A CERTAIN NUMBER OF WHAT CONTRIBUTING RESOURCES, LIKE THEY HAVE TO MAINTAIN A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE OF THEM OR THERE'S, THERE'S NOTHING, WE DON'T HAVE ANY, NO GRANT FUNDS OR ANYTHING ASSOCIATED WITH, OR ANY STATUSES ASSOCIATED WITH.
WE DO HAVE CGL UH, STATUS, UM, BUT THERE'S NO, THERE'S A THRESHOLD.
IF YOU GO THROUGH AND TEAR DOWN EVERY SINGLE STRUCTURE IN TOWN, THEN UM, YEAH, THEY'RE GOING TO SAY, HEY, YOU'RE NO LONGER OLD OUT.
SO, UM, BUT THERE'S NO, THERE'S NO NUMBER.
UM, SO THESE ARE THE NEXT FEW SLIDES THAT I HERE.
UM, THESE ARE THINGS THAT WE ARE, WE ARE WORKING ON.
SO I DON'T HAVE ANY, UH, TEXTS FOR THIS, JUST THIS IS MORE FOR JUST INFORMATION AT THIS POINT.
UM, JUST LETTING YOU KNOW THAT WE ARE LOOKING TO ADD SOME ADDITIONAL, UM, ADDITIONAL ITEMS TO THE UDO IN DEALING WITH PRESERVATION.
AND UH, THE MAIN ONE IS DEALING WITH RELOCATING A RESOURCE.
UH, WE'VE HAD SOME ISSUES IN THE PAST WHERE IT WASN'T CLEARLY DEFINED AS TO WHAT, WHAT IS WHEN A STRUCTURE IS BEING RELOCATED, HOW IT IS BEING RELOCATED.
SO, UH, WE'RE PUTTING SOME INFORMATION TOGETHER.
SO, UH, OUR PREFERRED METHOD IS IF SOMEONE WANTED TO COME IN, THEY WANTED TO RELOCATE A CONTRIBUTING RESOURCE, UH, WE'RE GONNA SAY, ALL RIGHT, IF YOU DO THAT, THEN YOU NEED TO MOVE THIS STRUCTURE FULLY INTACT.
SO THAT'S THE NUMBER ONE PRIORITY.
AND IF THEY'RE LIKE, I PHYSICALLY CAN'T MOVE THIS FOR, FOR WHATEVER REASON, I'M LIKE, OKAY, WELL THEN YOU NEED TO PARTIALLY DISASSEMBLE.
THAT MEANS YOU, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN CUT THE, THE BUILDING IN HALF AND YOU THAT WAY YOU CAN MOVE IT THAT WAY AND THEN REPLACE IT WHEREVER.
OR THE FINAL ONE IS THAT FULLY DISASSEMBLE AND REASSEMBLE IN A NEW LOCATION.
SO WE'RE WORKING ON GETTING INFORMATION TOGETHER ON THIS CLEARLY DEFINED SO THAT WAY PEOPLE IN THE FUTURE UNDERSTAND AND KNOW WHAT PROCESS THAT THEY NEED TO GO THROUGH.
AND FOR EACH ONE OF THESE, HOW THEY'RE GOING TO DO THAT.
SO AGAIN, I DON'T HAVE THAT LANGUAGE YET, BUT WE ARE WORKING ON THAT.
UM, AND THEN JUST IT'LL GO INTO DETAILED DRAWINGS, PHOTOGRAPHS, THINGS LIKE THAT.
INSPECTIONS LIKE, AND THEN INSPECTIONS.
SO WE'RE, WE'RE ALONG THE WAY.
NOT OUR GOAL IS TO FLUSH IT ALL OUT SO THAT WAY THAT'S CLEARLY DEFINED, UM, CORRECTIONAL THAT SHOULD ON THAT.
UM, SO AGAIN, THIS IS JUST KIND OF LIKE AN, AN EXAMPLE WHERE YOU HAVE A HOUSE, YOU'VE, UH, DISASSEMBLED IT AND YOU MOVED IT OVER TO ANOTHER LOCATION.
UH, NEXT THIS IS JUST AN EXAMPLE FOR, FOR DEMOLITION PURPOSES.
THIS IS THAT LAST RESORT, UH, FOR DEMOING A PROPERTY.
AND THEN WHAT WE HAVE ALSO THAT WE'RE LOOKING INTO IS THE DECONSTRUCTION.
AND WHAT DECONSTRUCTION MEANS IS THAT THE HOUSE IS STILL BEING, OR THE STRUCTURE IS BEING DEMOLISHED.
IT IS, IT IS BEING REMOVED, BUT THEY'RE SYSTEMATICALLY TAKING IT APART.
NOW, UH, HERE'S SOME EXAMPLES OF SALVAGE HEART, UH, PINE FLOORING NOW, JUST BECAUSE A PRO A PROJECT IS DECONSTRUCTED IT, IT IS, IT IS DEMOLISHED, BUT THEY JUST NOW HAVE SAVED ALL THOSE PIECES.
THOSE PIECES DON'T NECESSARILY GO BACK TOGETHER IN
UM, THEY'RE, THEY'RE THEN SALVAGED.
UM, THEY COULD BE USED IN THE SAME TOWN, THEY COULD BE SOLD AND GO TO ANOTHER STATE.
UM, SO THAT'S SOMETHING WE'RE JUST, WE'RE PUTTING IT IN THERE AND IT'S AS AN OPTION, BUT NOT NECESSARILY A REQUIREMENT BECAUSE THIS IS, UM, IT'S COSTLY.
UM, SO THAT'S A, WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING PERTAINING TO THIS.
JUST GET INFORMATION JUST, BUT I JUST WANTED TO KIND OF GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF THE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN A DEMOLITION, WHICH IS IT'S ALL JUST CRUSHED AND THROWN INTO THE LANDFILL VERSUS WE'RE TAKING IT APART AND SAVING WHAT WE CAN.
SOUNDS LIKE STAFF, STAFF TRYING TO FIND SOME MORE WORK FOR THEMSELVES.
HE CAN, HE CAN HELP YOU OUT
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UH, THAT THAT MIGHT COME UP IN THE TOWN.UM, AND IT'S PROBABLY TOO COSTLY FOR THE PROPERTY OWNER HIMSELF TO DO THAT, BUT MAYBE WE NEED TO FIND SOMEONE THAT WOULD, UM, TAKE IN, TAKE THIS AND THAT'S ANOTHER INCENTIVIZE IT IN SOME, SOME, SOME WAY.
YEAH, AGAIN, FROM A RESTRICTING STANDPOINT, LIKE I, I WOULDN'T WANT TO FORCE TO WHERE SOMEONE HAD TO DO THAT, CUZ THAT'S GONNA COST A LOT OF MONEY.
UM, BUT WE ARE GONNA JUST GET SOME MORE INFORMATION ON IT, KEVIN, AND WHILE WE, UM, ARE ARE ON THIS, UM, ON THIS CONVERSATION, CAN WE ALSO INCLUDE LANGUAGE IN THERE FOR RECONSTRUCTION TOO, IN THE SENSE OF, UM, IN THE SENSE OF MAKING SURE THAT THERE'S A LANGUAGE THAT CLEARLY APPLIES TO, UM, THE DIFFERENT METHODS IN TERMS OF THOSE INHABITING THESE STRUCTURES.
SO FOR CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES, LOOK, YOU DON'T WANT SOMEBODY TO JUST SAY, HEY, I'M GONNA DO DECONSTRUCTION ALL THE TIME BECAUSE THEN WE'LL HAVE NOTHING LEFT.
BUT THERE NEEDS TO BE LANGUAGE IN THERE FOR CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES ABOUT DECONSTRUCTING THEM IN THIS METHOD AND THEN PUTTING THEM BACK TOGETHER.
THAT WOULD ACTUALLY FALL UNDER THE RELOCATION AND THE REASSEMBLY ONE, RIGHT? YES.
YEAH, THAT'S, AND THAT'S WHERE, THAT'S WHERE THIS, THIS SECTION, IT WOULD FALL UNDER THAT.
SO AGAIN, DECONSTRUCTION MEANS IT'S BEING DEMOLISHED COMPLETELY.
MAYBE THAT NEEDS TO YEAH, YEAH.
SO THAT WAY IT'S UNDER THE DECONSTRUCTED METHOD OR SOMETHING.
BASICALLY, THIS IS JUST THE OTHER WAY OF SAYING IF YOU CAN DEMOLISH IT, IT'S NOT WORTH SAVING.
THIS IS JUST A WAY TO TRY TO GET YOU TO SAVE ANY LITTLE PIECE THAT COULD POSSIBLY RIGHT.
SAVE AND USED DOING SOMETHING ELSE.
BUT WHAT I'M SAYING IS, AND THEY'VE GOT IT COVERED, BUT YOU DON'T WANT TO GO THERE AND SAY ANYTHING CAN JUST BE DECONSTRUCTED.
CUZ THEN ANYONE WOULD DO THAT AND THEY WOULDN'T, WE WOULDN'T HAVE ANY MORE STRUCTURES.
SO WE JUST HAVE TO MAKE SURE THIS IS ONLY FOR THOSE STRUCTURES THAT ARE DEEMED NON-REPAIRABLE OR NON WELL, SO LAST, THAT'S JUST MORE OF LAST RESORT OPTION.
AND, AND AGAIN, WE DON'T HAVE THIS CLEANED YET, SO WE'LL WORK ON IT.
UM, THE REASSEMBLY ALLOWS YOU TO MAINTAIN THAT AND CONTRIBUTE TO RESOURCE DESIGNATION.
AND THE LANGUAGE WILL DEFINE WHAT PERCENTAGE OF THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURE OR IT'LL, IT'LL DEFINE HOW MUCH YOU HAVE TO HAVE MAINTAINED OF THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURE IN ORDER TO BE ABLE TO HAVE THAT STATUS.
UM, THAT'S A HARD AND ARBITRARY NUMBER YEAH.
I'M NOT SAYING NECESSARILY IT'S AN EVEN A NUMBER.
UM, THERE, CAN WE CREATE A SET OF PARAMETERS THAT I THINK IT'S GONNA BE CASE BY CASE.
AND THAT'S SOMETHING GLEN, I THINK IN THIS CASE, IT'S GOTTA MAINTAIN ITS INTEGRITY TO STAY ON THE LIST.
AND IF IT DOESN'T MAINTAIN ITS INTEGRITY ANYMORE, THEN WE CAN HAVE IT CONSIDERED TO BE TAKEN OFF THE LIST.
I THINK YOU GOTTA BE CAREFUL THE PERCENTAGES, UH, THE GARVAN GAR HOUSE IS A PERFECT EXAMPLE OF THAT.
UM, THERE WAS NOT THAT MUCH MATERIAL, YOU KNOW, ON THE SCALE OF THE HOUSE, BUT YET WE HAVE IT.
AND UH, BUT IF WE WOULD'VE SAID 40% OR SOME NUMBER ARBITRARY NUMBER, WE MIGHT WOULD'VE LOST IT.
SO SAME THING WITH LIKE BRIDGE WAS SAYING WITH THE WHARF STREET HOUSE THAT SHE WAS REFERRING TO EARLIER.
THERE'S REALLY NOT A PERCENTAGE THAT THERE'S AN UNKNOWN AND WE WOULDN'T GO IT'S CASE BY CASE.
THERE'S NO WAY YOU CAN, WE GOTTA KEEP THAT IN MIND THAT EVERY SITUATION NOT GONNA BE THE SAME.
SO I CAN'T PUT IT BY THE SAME BOX.
I MEAN, COULD YOU SET UP PARAMETERS IN TERMS OF, MUST MAINTAIN THE ORIGINAL FOOTPRINT, MUST MAINTAIN THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURE OF WINDOWS, CAN'T HAVE AN ADDITION ADDED ONTO IT, THINGS LIKE THAT.
I DON'T THINK, I THINK IT'S STILL CASE BY CASE.
BECAUSE NOT EVERY SITUATION'S THAT EASY CUT AND DRY LIKE THAT.
YEAH, WE'VE BEEN DOING A LOT OF 'EM LATELY AND THEY'RE ALL COMPLETELY DIFFERENT.
AND THAT'S WHY I THINK WE HAVE TO LEAVE IT SOMEWHAT THE WAY IT IS NOW.
I'M NOT, YOU KNOW, JUST SAYING I'M GETTING, FORGET THE PERCENTAGES MAYBE, AND I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH, BUT AGAIN, IT CAN BE VERY EMOTIONAL TO A COUNCIL AND THAT'S GONNA WEIGH HEAVENLY ON THE DECISIONS THAT ARE MADE TO RESTORE IT OR NOT TO RESTORE IT.
SO NOT TO MANDATE THAT YOU LOCK IN A BOX HERE WITH, YOU GOTTA HAVE THIS, THIS, THIS, THIS OR THIS PERCENTAGE.
AND I DO UNDERSTAND AND APPRECIATE YOUR, UM, COMMENT ABOUT SCALE BECAUSE, AND FOOTPRINT, BECAUSE YOU'RE RIGHT.
I MEAN, THINGS ARE CHANGING AND GETTING LARGER AND IF, IF THERE WAS A, UM, SOMETHING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, KEEPING THE FOOTPRINT, THE PROBLEM WITH THAT THOUGH IS WHAT'S THE ORIGINAL FOOTPRINT? WHAT WAS IT? WHO'S SAYING WHAT'S CONTRIBUTING? WHAT'S, YOU KNOW, THERE'S JUST CASE BY CASE.
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TOO.USED TO BE A LOT OF LAND, VERY FEW HOUSES.
NOW THE LAND IS SO VALUABLE THAT EVERYBODY WANTS TO UTILIZE EVERY INCH DIRT THAT THERE'S THERE AND IT'S THE ALL AMERICAN WAY.
SO SOMEONE COULD SAY, I, I PULLED UP A PLAT FROM 18 HUNDREDS AND I REALLY HAD 10,000 SQUARE FEET OF MARK WITH, YOU KNOW, SO KEVIN, YOU GOT, YOU GOT ENOUGH? YES SIR.
UH, LAST, THE LAST ITEM I HAVE WERE SOME, UM, THESE ARE JUST, UH, A FEW SELECTED THINGS THAT WE'VE HAD JUST KIND OF POP UP RECENTLY.
UH, NUMBER ONE FOR OUR USE, UH, BY DISTRICT.
YOU CAN SEE I'VE HIGHLIGHTED, UH, THE LIGHT INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT, UM, CONCERNS ABOUT ALLOWING FOR RESIDENTIAL USES IN THE LIGHT INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT.
NOW WITH THAT BEING SAID, IF A RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE IS CURRENTLY IN THE LIGHT INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT, THEY'RE ALLOWED TO CONTINUE.
UM, SO THAT'S, THAT'S ONE STATEMENT RIGHT THERE.
UM, WE'VE HAD CONCERNS AND IT'S A, UM, A PROPERTY OVER OFF OF BACAN ROAD THAT'S ZONE IMPLIED INDUSTRIAL THAT AN APARTMENT COMPLEX IS GOING INTO.
SO THEY'VE BEEN FOLLOWING THE RULES, UM, THE ENTIRE WAY.
UH, THE USE IS CURRENTLY PERMITTED.
UM, IT'S PERMITTED BY, RIGHT AS YOU CAN SEE, THERE'S A P RIGHT THERE, UM, FOR MULTI-FAMILY.
UH, SO THEY'RE ALLOWED TO GO IN THERE.
UH, THE QUESTION IS, UM, YOU KNOW, DO YOU WANT TO CONTINUE TO ALLOW FOR RESIDENTIAL USES IN LIGHT INDUSTRIAL DISTRICTS? THERE'S LIKE, WAIT, WAIT.
THERE'S A LITERALLY A HANDFUL OF PARCELS OF LAND THAT ARE ZONED LIGHT INDUSTRIAL UNDER THE UD O SO YOU HAVE TO REMEMBER P UDS NOT, WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT THEM, BUT IT'S JUST THE, THE EIGHT PERCENTERS.
AND EVEN WHEN YOU GET TO THAT, IT'S LIKE A 0.25% IF NOT LESS THAN THAT.
SO YOUR QUESTION, DO WE WANT TO CONTINUE TO ALLOW RESIDENTS TO ABLE TO CONTEXT, CAN WE PUT THIS IN? I STARTED TO ALL TO THE ISSUE IS THAT BROUGHT UP TONIGHT.
THAT'S WHY WE ASKED STAFF TO BRING THIS BEFORE US CUZ OF WHAT JUST HAPPENED.
SO OVER ON BUCK ISLAND ROAD NEXT TO RSI, THERE'S A, A 10 ACRE PARCEL OF LAND RECENTLY PURCHASED.
UH, AND THE APPLICANT CROWN, YOU KNOW, YOU CROWNED BUCK ISLAND CROWN AT ONE 70.
UH, THEY'RE WANTING TO, UM, TO CONSTRUCT, UH, APARTMENTS AT THAT LOCATION.
UM, SO THE CONCERN IS THAT A LOT OF THE PLANNING COMMISSIONERS FELT IS THAT WE'RE LOSING, WE'RE LOSING OUR LIGHT INDUSTRIAL ABILITY CUZ THERE'S VERY FEW PROPERTIES THAT ARE IN THE TOWN THAT ARE ZONED LIGHT INDUSTRIAL.
AND NOW ANOTHER ONE IS, IS BEING REMOVED IN THE SENSE OF APARTMENTS ARE GOING THERE VERSUS AN INDUSTRIAL USE GOING THERE.
WELL THAT'S, THAT'S NOT THE ONLY, THAT'S NOT, WASN'T CONCERN 15 FEET FROM THE ROAD.
WE'RE GONNA REHASH THIS ON THIS.
SO THE USE, THAT'S ONE, ONE STANDPOINT, OKAY, THE NEXT ONE IS DEALING WITH THE STANDARDS THAT WE HAVE IN PLACE.
NOW THE SAME APARTMENT COMPLEX IS PROPOSING FOUR STORY BUILDINGS.
SO TWO OF THESE, TWO OF THESE FOUR STORY BUILDINGS ARE GONNA BE 30 FEET OFF OF THE PROPERTY LINE.
SO THAT'S APPROXIMATELY 40 TO 45 FEET IN, IN HEIGHT OFF OF THE PROPERTY LINE, 30 FEET OFF A 40, 40 ISH, YOU KNOW, FOUR STORY BUILDING THAT CLOSE TO THE PROPERTY LINE.
SO THERE'S A LOT OF CONCERNS WITH BY CODE THEY'RE ALLOWED TO HAVE THAT.
SO YOU CAN SEE THAT LIKE IN THAT LARGE, UM, YOU KNOW, MIXED USE SLOT WHERE, UH, THAT IS ALLOWED.
UM, AND EVEN THE LARGE COMMERCIAL LOT THAT YOU ALLOW FOR STRUCTURES THAT ARE UP TO FOUR STORIES AND SOME OF 'EM EVEN UP TO FIVE STORIES.
UM, SO THAT FOUR STORY IS CURRENTLY ALLOWED AND ONE OF THE CONCERNS IS THAT YOU JUST HAVE THAT VERTICAL BUILDING, YOU KNOW, GOING STRAIGHT UP THAT CLOSE TO THE, TO THE, TO THE ROTOR.
SO THERE ARE NO REQUIREMENTS OF OF, YOU KNOW, STAIR STEPPING THAT BACK CURRENTLY.
AND THE THOUGHT PROCESS IS, IS THERE A WAY THAT WE COULD EITHER CHANGE THE SETBACKS OR POTENTIALLY AS YOU GO UP THEN YOU HAVE TO LIKE KIND OF, YOU HAVE TO GO BACK A LITTLE BIT.
AND WHAT THAT DOES IS FROM A A MASS AND SCALE STANDPOINT, IT REDUCES THE AMOUNT OF BUILDING THAT IS IMMEDIATELY UP AGAINST THE ROAD.
SO, YOU KNOW, IF THE BUILDING IS LIKE THIS AND THEN IT KIND OF GOES, THEN, THEN IT'S GONNA GO LIKE THAT.
SO IT'LL GO UP BACK AND THEN UP AGAINST THAT FOUR, FOUR STORY THAT WOULD SO WOULD THAT BE THE BACK OF THE APARTMENT BUILDING OR SO WOULD THAT ROAD AND THAT 30 FEET, THEY WOULDN'T HAVE ROOM FOR A ROAD AND PARKING? WELL THE, YEAH, SO PARKING
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WOULD BE IN THE BACK.YEAH, NO, YEAH, SO PARKING WOULD BE BEHIND, BEHIND THE BUILDING IN THE BACK, IN THE BACK OF THE LOT.
AND THEN, UM, YOU KNOW, YOU WOULD HAVE A DRIVEWAY, YOUR DRIVEWAY WOULD OBVIOUSLY GO GO IN AND THEN EX YOU KNOW, ACCESS TOWARDS THE REAR.
SO THE BUILDING IS PUSHED UP TOWARDS THE ROAD AND ALL THE PARKING IS IN THE REAR.
SO THIS IS SOMETHING IS WE CAN IF, IF YOU'D LIKE FOR US TO JUST DO THE RESEARCH ON IT.
ONLY WE, UM, REACTING TO SOMETHING THAT IS ALREADY IN PLACE.
SO WE WE YES SIR, WE, WE REACTING TO IT SO THAT LEGALLY CAN WE DO THAT? OH, LEGALLY YES, WE, WE CAN DO IT, BUT THE, THE APPLICANT THAT'S CURRENTLY GOING THROUGH THE PROCESS, THEY THEY ARE, THEY WOULD FOLLOW UNDER THE CODE AS IT IS, AS IT IS WRITTEN RIGHT NOW.
SO IT'S JUST ONE OF THOSE MOVING FORWARD.
IT IS, UM, THIS IS KIND OF LIKE WHAT WE LEARNED WITH THE BUILDINGS ON UH, BRIDGE STREET.
GOT SOME HOUSE CLEANING TO DO.
SO YEAH, I THINK WE NEED TO, WE NEED TO MOVE FORWARD WITH WITH, WE'LL START WORKING ON LANGUAGE.
MY QUESTION I GUESS PRIMARILY IS, I MEAN AGAIN, THE, THE, THE MODEL FOR OLD TOWN AND BLUFFTON PARK AND OTHERS IS TO PULL EVERYTHING INTO THOSE RESIDENTIAL WAS TO PULL EM TO THIS, THE STREET.
UM, BUT THIS, THIS CONVERSATION YOU'RE HAVING RIGHT NOW IS BASED ON SCALE.
I'M TAKING IT BASED, IT'S JUST A HUGE AMOUNT OF BUILDING STANDING THERE RIGHT ON TOP OF THE ROAD.
IS THAT, THAT'S THE, WE SHOULD HEAR.
THE THE OTHER ASPECT IS WHAT HE BROUGHT UP AT THE BEGINNING, WHICH IS OUR LIGHT INDUSTRIAL SPACE IS VERY LIMITED THERE.
AND IF WE END UP ALLOWING IT ALL TO BECOME RESIDENTIAL, THEN WE'RE, YOU KNOW, FOR EXAMPLE, YOU HAVE TO HAVE, IF YOU WANT TO BE A TOW TRUCK COMPANY ON OUR ON CALL LIST, YOU HAVE TO HAVE YOUR COMPANY AND YOUR YARD INSIDE OF THE TOWN LIMITS.
WELL IT HAS TO BE IN LIGHT INDUSTRIAL WHERE THERE'S ONLY A FEW PLACES WHERE THAT CAN OCCUR AND WE'RE SLOWLY WATCHING THOSE PLACES DISAPPEAR THROUGH RESIDENTIAL.
SO THAT WAS PART OF THE OTHER DISCUSSION.
SO I JUST DON'T WANT TO FORGET THAT AS WELL AS WE CONTINUE THE CONVERSATION AS FOR COUNCIL, BUT KEEP THAT IN MIND.
SO WHEN WE COME BACK AND HAVE THE ADDITIONAL CONVERSATION IS DO WE WANT TO ALLOW RESIDENTIAL IN GENERAL WITHIN THE LIGHT INDUSTRIAL OR NOT? AND THEN WE CAN ALSO THEN ONCE WE GET PAST THAT QUESTION, WE CAN FIX THE DIMENSIONS AND SIZE AND ALL THAT.
SO THIS PART WAS ON LIKE INDUSTRIAL WITH, SO HOW CAN RESIDENTIAL BE IN THE SAME, IN THE SAME ZONE? THAT'S, WE HAVE TO DETERMINE, SO THERE'S A LOT OF RESIDENTIAL HOUSES IN IN THAT AREA.
IT'S ALL AROUND THE TRAILERS BEFORE YOU GET THERE, BACK IN THERE AND THEN YOU GOT, IT'S ONE OF THE THINGS WE, WE ACTUALLY WERE TALKING ABOUT THE TRAILER TODAY IS USUALLY IF IT'S A LESS IMPACTFUL USE THAN WHAT THE ZONING IS, IT'S USUALLY TYPICALLY ALLOWED, RIGHT? SO IF YOU, YOU CAN'T GO FROM RESIDENTIAL TO LIGHT INDUSTRIAL, BUT IF IT'S LIGHT INDUSTRIAL, USUALLY YOU CAN DO ANYTHING THAT'S LESS IMPACTFUL.
WELL AND THAT'S I THINK PROBABLY HOW THIS GOT IN HERE IS IT'S LESS IMPACTFUL THAN INDUSTRIAL.
WE'RE LIVING IN A TIME WHERE COMMERCIAL PROPERTY, WELL IT USED TO BE HARD TO GET OR HARD TO FIND.
NOW WHAT WE'RE SEEING IS EVERYBODY'S TAKING COMMERCIAL PROPERTY AND TURNING IT INTO RESIDENTIAL.
THAT'S, AND THEN IT'S THE TIDE'S TURNED ON THAT SO YOU TELL 'EM THEY CAN'T IF THEY'RE LESSER.
SO, YOU KNOW, THAT'S IMPACTFUL OWNING THE SO COMMERCIAL, HOW DOES DISPLAY WITH THE BUCK ISLAND SIMMONS NEIGHBORHOOD PLAN AND PROTECTION? UM, WELL SPECIFICALLY FOR THIS ONE PARCEL, LIKE THEY'RE STILL ALLOWED TO MOVE FORWARD.
UM, THE MAJORITY OF THE BUCK ISLAND SIMMONS AREA IS RESIDENTIAL IN GENERAL.
SO THEY'RE, THEY'RE ALREADY ALLOWED TO HAVE YOUR DETACHED ATTACHED SINGLE FAMILY HOUSES.
UM, THIS IS AGAIN LIGHT INDUSTRIAL.
THERE'S, YOU KNOW, THIS PARCEL WE'RE REFERRING TO I THINK RSI, UM, THERE'S A CONCRETE MIXING PLANT UP OFF OF PERSIMMON.
UM, AND THEN THERE'S LIKE ONE OR TWO OTHER LIGHT INDUSTRIAL, UH, THE, THE THE DUMP UM, COUNTY TRANSFER FACILITY, UH, THAT'S ANOTHER ONE THAT'S OWNED GLIDE INDUSTRIAL AND THEN THERE'S LIKE A FEW OTHER PARCELS ON, ON GOTH, UM, RIGHT ON THE, THE NORTH SIDE OF THE PARKWAY.
SO YOU'RE, YOUR QUESTION IS YOU WANT US TO, YOU WANT THEM TO TELL YOU YES OR NO ON RESIDENTIAL YES OR NO TO MOVE FORWARD WITH PROPOSING TO, TO REMOVE IT? AND OBVIOUSLY WE'LL START DOING THE RESEARCH ASPECT
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OF IT.I THINK FOR ME, I'M NOT AS WORRIED ABOUT IT BEING USED AS RESIDENTIAL, BUT I THINK IF WE'RE GONNA ALLOW FIVE STORIES, I WOULD LIKE, I HAVE STORIES HOW OF LIKE, I I ALSO LIKE THAT WE PARK BEHIND BUILDINGS IN THE BUILDING IS THE STREET FACING ELEMENT, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A VERTICAL SETBACK IF POSSIBLE SO THAT YOU, WHILE WE STILL WANT YOU TO PARK BEHIND THE BUILDING AND HAVE THE STREET PRESENCE, WE DON'T WANT THE STREET PRESENCE TO BE FIVE STORIES.
I THINK THAT'S THE BEST PART OF, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT LIKE AS YOU GO UP THEN YOU HAVE TO BE TO DO BUT WHATEVER, SO, AND JUST BECAUSE THE PROPERTY'S ALREADY BEING USED LIKE YEAR ROUND COOLER, RSI IS PLANNED INDUSTRIAL, THEY COULD SELL OFF AND BECOME PART GROUND EASILY.
IF YOU'VE DRIVEN OFF TO CHARLESTON, YOU SEE ALL THOSE APARTMENTS THEY'RE BUILDING ON 17 ON THE WAY INTO CHARLESTON.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S THE FEAR WE HAVE IS A THEY HAVE A FOUR LANE HIGHWAY.
I THINK THE, THE, THE PRECEDENT THAT WAS SET WITH THE SCALE OF THAT PARTICULAR, UM, PROJECT, I WOULD DEFINITELY LIKE TO SEE US, EVEN IF THE CONVERSATION IS TO KEEP IT, UH, LIGHT INDUSTRIAL AND LEAN AWAY FROM UH, DOING ANOTHER RESIDENTIAL, UM, TO NOT BE ABLE TO ALLOW WHAT, UH, WAS PASSED WITH THAT PARTICULAR PROJECT, UM, TO CONTINUE ON THAT SCALE.
CUZ THAT IS IS DEFINITELY A CONCERN FOR THE RESIDENTS IN THAT, UM, IN THAT DISTRICT AND JUST YEAH, THE, THE SIZE OF THAT ALL THAT YET SOMETHING, WE DON'T WANT TO JUST HAVE IT BE REPLICATED ALL THROUGHOUT THAT AREA CUZ IT'S, AND I'LL JUST ADD THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT APPLICANT, THEY, THEY ARE, THEY ARE FOLLOWING THE RULES.
UM, THEY ARE, THEY, THEY UNDERSTAND US.
THEY, THEY'RE LISTENING TO US.
THEY ARE, THEY'RE STILL WORKING THROUGH FROM AN ARCHITECTURAL STANDPOINT.
UH, AND THEY'RE TRYING TO PROVIDE SOME ELEMENTS TOWARDS THE FRONT, BUT CURRENTLY THEY'RE STILL ALLOWED TO DO THAT.
SO THEY ARE, THEY ARE WORKING WITH US.
SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT EVERYONE UNDERSTANDS THAT.
IT'S KINDA LIKE WITH THE, WITH THE PROJECT ON THE END OF CALHOUN, YOU KNOW TOO, THEY KIND OF MADE A POINT AND SAY WE'RE FOLLOWING WHAT THE U ALLOWS, BUT THAT DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEAN AUTOMATICALLY MEANS IT'S A GOOD, IT'S A GOOD PRACTICE THAT WE WANNA HAVE PERPETUATED.
MAYBE, MAYBE YOU COULD JUST SAY, OKAY, WELL TWO STORIES IS 30 FEET, THAT'S WHAT IT IS NOW.
MM-HMM
UM, YOU KNOW, WE'LL START NEXT ONE.
YOU CAN'T CHANGE WHAT WE'VE ALREADY IS THE UH, WHERE ALL THE BUCK ISLAND WORLD THE DENTAL TRUCKS ARE AT, IS THAT LIGHT INDUSTRIAL? NO.
THAT'S, THAT'S MY FEAR IS WHAT STARTED OUT AS A VERY SMALL BUSINESS AND, AND WHAT'S SUPPOSED TO BE A RESIDENTIAL AREA IS MORPHED INTO SOMETHING THAT'S, WE'RE WORRIED ABOUT AESTHETICS HERE BUT WE'RE NOT WORRIED ABOUT IT THERE.
I MEAN IT'S LIKE REALLY? SO, YOU KNOW, YOU GOTTA BE CAREFUL IN THE LIGHT INDUSTRIAL CUZ IT COULD REPLICATE ITSELF SOMEWHERE ELSE IN THERE.
I DID GO LOOK AT THAT FOUR STORY STORAGE BUILDING ON OR WALTER THAT'S, THAT'S FOUR STORIES.
IT'S 70 FEET BACK AND THE WHOOPS ON THE CROWN PROPOSED WAS ACTUALLY 15 FEET BACK FROM THE RIGHT OF WAY.
SO EVEN IF WE'RE 70 FEET BACK, I MEAN THAT STORAGE COMPLEX HAS BEEN SUCH A POINT OF CONTENTION LIKE HAVING ANYTHING CLOSE TO THAT HEIGHT.
I AND THAT'S A FORM TWO LANES.
ARE WE ENCOURAGING BY OR ENCOURAGING RESIDENTIAL? I MISSED WHAT'S BETTER TAX BASE, EVERYBODY.
I MEAN WHAT'S A BETTER TEST? I DIDN'T KNOW WE WERE ENCOURAGING RESIDENTIAL WITH OUR SCHOOLS PULL AND THE ROADS PULL AND EVERYBODY COMPLAINED ABOUT, OH I MORE PLANNING WE ALL OUR RESIDENTIAL UNITS ALL WHAT WE CAN'T CONTROL AND UM, SO WE WANNA ELIMINATE LIGHT INDUSTRIAL.
THERE'S CERTAIN ZONING AREAS THAT ARE LIGHT INDUSTRIAL IN TOWN AND THERE THERE ARE THREE OF THEM, GOTHY ROAD AREA, THIS AREA AND HELP ME OUT KIRK AREA.
THAT'S THE OTHER THING IS, IS WE CAN'T ELIMINATE LIGHT INDUSTRIAL.
WE CAN'T, WE CAN'T REMOVE, WE CAN'T HAVE A USE THAT'S NOT ALLOWED WITHIN THE TOWN BASED ON ZONING.
SO WE HAVE TO HAVE IT INDUSTRIAL WOULD INCLUDE SOURCE FACILITIES.
IF YOU REMEMBER WE TOOK THAT OUT.
WELL FROM A STRATEGIC PLANNING STANDPOINT, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT WANTING A MULTITUDE OF DIFFERENT KINDS OF USES HAPPENING SO THAT WE CAN HAVE DIFFERENT KINDS OF INDUSTRY.
SO I DON'T, WOULDN'T SAY THAT THE STRATEGIC PLAN IS GOING AGAINST THAT.
AND AT THE SAME TIME WE'RE ALSO SAYING WE NEED HOUSING BECAUSE PARTICULARLY
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OF A MORE AFFORDABLE RATE, WHICH THIS MULTI-FAMILY TYPE HOUSING THAT'S GOING IN THE CRIME IS GOING TO HELP.SO IT'S NOT EVEN NECESSARILY WANTED NOT HAVE THAT EITHER.
I THINK IT'S JUST KEVIN, I THINK WE'RE GONNA MOTION ADJOURN.