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CAPTIONING PROVIDED BY BEAUFORT COUNTY.I WOULD LIKE TO CALL THIS PLANNING AND COMMISSION MEETING TO ORDER.
TODAY IS WEDNESDAY, DECEMBER THE 14TH.
MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? CHAIRMAN AMANDA DENMARK.
THE PLANNING COMMISSION WILL NOT HEAR NEW ITEMS AFTER NINE 30 UNLESS AUTHORIZED BY A MAJORITY VOTE OF THE COMMISSION MEMBERS PRESENT ITEMS WHICH HAVE NOT BEEN HEARD BEFORE NINE 30 MAY BE CONTINUED TO THE NEXT REGULAR MEETING OR SPECIAL MEETING.
DATE IS DETERMINED BY THE COMMISSION MEMBERS NOTICE REGARDING PUBLIC COMMENTS.
EVERY MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC WHO IS RECOGNIZED TO SPEAK SHALL ADDRESS THE CHAIRMAN.
AND IN SPEAKING, AVOID DISRESPECT TO THE COMMISSION'S STAFF.
FOR OTHER MEMBERS OF THE MEETING, STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS WHEN SPEAKING.
FOR THE RECORD, COMMENTS ARE LIMITED TO THREE MINUTES.
MAY I HAVE AN ADOPTION OF THE AGENDA? SO MOVED.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.
MAY HAVE AN ADOPTION OF THE MINUTES FROM NOVEMBER THE 16TH.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS? UH, FOR ITEMS NOT ON THE AGENDA? NO.
DO WE HAVE ANY FOR THE AGENDA? NOT AT THIS TIME.
UM, AND WE DON'T HAVE ANY OLD BUSINESS, SO WE DO HAVE NEW BUSINESS.
UM, ITEM NUMBER ONE, MA DAISY'S STREET NAMING.
AND FOR THE RECORD, I DO HAVE, UH, AMANDA AMANDA'S RECER FORM AND ITEM NUMBER ONE, MA DAISY STREET NAMING A REQUEST BY DAISY'S LEGACY HOLDINGS, LLC FOR APPROVAL OF A STREET NAMING APPLICATION.
PROJECT CONSISTS OF REDEVELOPING 1.85 ACRES TO INCLUDE RESTAURANT, COMMERCIAL, AND RESIDENTIAL USES IN FOUR BUILDINGS.
THE PROPERTY IS IDENTIFIED BY TAX NECK MAP NUMBER IN THE AGENDA, LOCATED AT 1255 MAY RIVER ROAD WITHIN THE NEIGHBORHOOD GENERAL HISTORIC DISTRICT.
UH, STREET NAMING AND APPLICATION FOR MON DAISY.
THIS IS A REQUEST BY DAISY'S LEGACY HOLDINGS, LLC.
FOR APPROVAL OF THE STREET NAMING APPLICATION, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING APPROVAL OF THE FOLLOWING STREET NAMES TO BE USED FOR THE FUTURE DEVELOPMENT OF MA DAISIES ROAD.
NAMES ARE MAISY'S WAY ACCEPTED, NO CONFLICT, FRAZIER'S WAY, NOT ACCEPTABLE, MULTIPLE CONFLICTS WITHIN THE COUNTY AND S'S WAY ACCEPTED NO CONFLICT.
UH, INTRODUCTION IS ON APRIL 27TH, 2022.
TOM BLUFFTON PLANNING COMMISSION APPROVED THE PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR MA DAISIES TOWN STAFF IS CURRENTLY REVIEWING THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN SUBMITTAL.
THIS STREET NAMING AND APPLICATION PROVIDES POTENTIAL NAMES FOR THE SINGLE ROAD THAT NEEDS TO BE NAMED FOR THE DEVELOPMENT.
THE STREET NAMING APPLICATION ARE REVIEWED AT THE DECEMBER 7TH, 2022 MEETING OF THE DEVELOPMENT REVIEW COMMITTEE WITH TWO OF THE THREE STREET NAMES APPROVED PLANNING COMMISSION ACTIONS ARE APPROVED.
THE APPLICATION IS SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT, APPROVED THE APPLICATION WITH CONDITIONS OR DENIED THE APPLICATION AS SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT.
THIS IS THE, UH, REVIEW CRITERIA AND ANALYSIS FOR STREET NAMING STAFF.
RECOMMENDATION FINDING TOWN STAFF FINDS THAT TWO OF THE PROPOSED NEW STREET NAMES ARE ACCEPTABLE AND MEET THEIR REQUIREMENTS OF ARTICLE THREE OF THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT ORDINANCE AS STATED ABOVE, STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS STAFF FINDS THAT THE REQUIREMENTS OF SECTION 3 15 3 HAVE BEEN MET AND RECOMMENDS THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION APPROVE THE FOLLOWING.
TWO NEW STREET NAMES MA DAISY'S WAY AND USED TO WAY, ANY QUESTIONS ENTERTAIN A MOTION.
A MOTION TO APPROVE, UH, THE STAFF RECOMMENDED NAMES MA DAISY'S WAY AND USED US'.
OKAY, NUMBER ITEM NUMBER TWO IS THE NEW RIVERSIDE VILLAGE PARCEL SEVEN.
UM, FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, HIGHWAY CORRIDOR OVERLAY DISTRICT AND CHARLOTTE, YOU'RE GOING TO PRESENT.
SO THIS IS A REQUEST BY THE APPLICANT
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COURT AKINS GROUP ON BEHALF OF THE OWNER JEFFREY SOLOMON.AND THEY ARE REQUESTING APPROVAL OF A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS HIGHWAY CORRIDOR OVERLAY TO APPROVE THE LANDSCAPE LIGHTING AND ARCHITECTURAL PLANS FOR A 15,000 SQUARE FOOT OFFICE BUILDING WITHIN THE NEW RIVERSIDE VILLAGE DEVELOPMENT.
THE PROPERTY IS APPROXIMATELY 1.56 ACRES.
IT'S KNOWN AS PARCEL SEVEN, AND IT'S LOCATED AT THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF HIGHWAY ONE 70 AND 46.
IT'S ZONE NEW RIVERSIDE, P U D, AND IT IS WITHIN A NEW RIVERSIDE VILLAGE MASTER PLAN.
AND HERE YOU SEE THE LOCATION MAP AND THE PROPOSED BUILDING.
UM, AS I INDICATED, IT'S A 15,000 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING.
THE ONE STORY PORTION WILL BE A DENTAL OFFICE.
THE TWO STORY PORTION WILL BE, UH, SIX TENANTS.
UM, AND THERE IS A SEPARATION, AS YOU CAN SEE HERE IN THE MIDDLE, A COURTYARD.
BUT THE BUILDING, UH, IS ATTACHED.
UM, SITE PLAN THAT YOU SEE HERE.
I JUST WANNA POINT OUT A FEW THINGS.
UM, THE PLANS THAT WE RECEIVED INDICATED THAT THE PROPERTY LINE ENDED WHERE YOU SEE THIS BLUE LINE THAT'S NOT THE PROPERTY LINE.
THE PROPERTY LINE IS ACTUALLY CLOSER TO 46.
THERE IS A 60 FOOT WIDE BUFFER, UM, LANDSCAPE EXISTING BUFFER, UM, TO BE UNTOUCHED.
UM, A COUPLE OF OTHER THINGS TO POINT OUT TOO.
THE, UH, ELEVATION THAT I SHOWED YOU.
THIS PARTICULAR ELEVATION, THE FRONT WILL FACE INTO THE GAS STATION ADJACENT KNOWN AS REFUEL.
UM, AND THERE WILL BE AN ACCESS EASEMENT LOCATING BOTH THE BUILDING WILL HAVE ITS DUMPSTER ON ITS OWN PROPERTY, BUT IT WILL NEED AN ACCESS EASEMENT TO ALLOW A, UH, THE DUMPSTER OR THE DUMP TRUCK TO COME PICK UP GARBAGE.
AND SO IT LOOKS LIKE THE DUMPSTER LOCATIONS OUT OFFSITE.
IT IS NOT, AND I BELIEVE HE SPOKE ABOUT THAT DURING THE PRELIMINARY PLAN.
UM, THE AREA OVER HERE, IT'S NOT CERTAIN WHY THERE'S THIS, UM, OPEN AREA ADJACENT TO THE, THE, THE WEST IN THAT WESTERN PARCEL'S OPEN SPACE.
UM, SO ONE OF OUR CONDITIONS WILL BE THAT THE BUFFER BE EXTENDED, UM, AND MORE TREES AND SHRUBS CAN BE PLANTED IN THAT AREA.
MORE ELEVATIONS OF THE PROPOSED BUILDING.
AGAIN, THIS IS THE PROPERTY FACE.
UH, THIS IS THE ELEVATION FACING INTO THE GAS STATION TO THE EAST.
THIS IS THE, UH, ELEVATION THAT WILL FACE INTO THE PARK TO THE WEST.
THE ELEVATION HERE WILL FACE INTO NEW RIVER SIDE VILLAGE WAY.
AND THEN THIS PORTION THAT YOU SEE HERE AT THE BOTTOM WILL FACE, UH, INTO HIGHWAY 46.
AGAIN, THERE IS A 60 FOOT BUFFER, SO THERE WON'T BE FULL VISIBILITY OF THE, UH, THE BUILDING.
UM, AS I NOTED ON THE LANDSCAPE PLAN, UH, IT DID NOT IDENTIFY THE 60 FOOT BUFFER, AND THAT WILL NEED TO BE SHOWN ON A REVISED PLAN WITHIN THAT BUFFER.
THERE NEEDS, UH, PER THE HIGHWAY CORRIDOR OVERLAY, IT WILL NEED TO SHOW THAT THE LANDSCAPING REQUIREMENTS ARE BEING MET.
THE SIX OVERSTORY, SEVEN OVERSTORY TREES, SIX UNDER STORY AND 30 SHRUBS.
UM, ANOTHER CONCERN OF OURS WITH REGARDS TO THE LANDSCAPE PLAN IS THAT THE, UM, IT'S A LITTLE BIT INCONSISTENT WITH THE LIGHTING PLAN.
SO THE, THE TREES ARE SHOWN IN THE AREAS WHERE LIGHT POSTS ARE PROPOSED AND THAT WILL BE, UH, SOMETHING THAT WILL NEED TO BE REVISED, UM, POINTING OUT TOO, UM, I INDICATED, UM, ANOTHER THING THAT WE NOTICED AND IT'S MORE SITE ORIENTED AND I DON'T HAVE, LET'S SEE, WE ARE RECOMMENDING THAT THERE WOULD BE A SIDEWALK, UM, FROM THE RIVER RIVERSIDE VILLAGE RIGHT AWAY INTO THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING.
THERE IS A SIDEWALK LOCATED HERE IN THE REAR, BUT WE BELIEVE THAT A SIDEWALK WOULD BE APPROPRIATE AND ALLOW THESE CARS THAT ARE PARKED HERE TO PROBABLY MORE EASILY ACCESS THE BUILDING, UH, THAN HAVING TO GO FARTHER, UH, INTO THE PROPERTY.
THE LIGHTING PLAN, UM, AS I INDICATED, THERE'S SOME INCONSISTENCIES BETWEEN WHERE THE TREES ARE PLANTED IN THE LANDSCAPE ISLANDS AND THE LIGHT POSTS.
SO THESE ARE THE, THE YELLOW AREAS ARE THE AREAS THAT ARE INCONSISTENT.
UM, ALONG THE BUILDING THERE WILL BE THE GOOSENECK LIGHTING.
UM, ONE OF OUR CONCERNS WITH REGARD TO THE ACTUAL POSTS THAT ARE PROPOSED IN THE PARKING AREA IS THAT THEY ARE TOO TALL, UM, FOR PER THE REQUIREMENTS AND THAT WE ARE SUGGESTING THAT THEY BE MORE PEDESTRIAN ORIENTED SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 10 TO 12 FEET.
UH, AND THAT THE STYLE OF LIGHTING NOT BE USED.
UM, THE LIGHT POSTS THAT ARE IN NEW RIVERSIDE VILLAGE RIGHT NOW ARE, ARE MORE TRADITIONALLY ORIENTED, BUT WE'RE NOT SAYING THEY HAVE TO BE, UM, CONSISTENT WITH THAT.
IT'S JUST SOMETHING SIMILAR AND SMALLER IN HEIGHT.
UM, ONE THING, UH, THAT I SHOULD ALSO MENTION
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TOO IS THAT THE ILLUMINATION LEVELS EXCEED THE REQUIREMENT OF THE BD ZS O.AND SO THAT WILL NEED TO BE, UH, CORRECTED AS WELL.
THE, UH, AVERAGE ILLUMINATION FOOT HANDLES AND THEN, UM, AT SOME AREAS IS INCONSISTENT.
UM, AND WE HAVE SOME HOT SPOTS IN SOME AREAS.
SO, UH, 10 FOOT HANDLES MAXIMUM, FOR EXAMPLE, IN THE PARKING AREA.
AND I BELIEVE THEY'RE SHOWING SOMETHING LIKE 22 IN SOME AREAS OF THE PARKING LOT.
UH, SO THAT WILL NEED TO BE CORRECTED.
AND I FEEL LIKE I MAY HAVE GONE THROUGH THIS RATHER QUICKLY.
UM, THERE ARE, UM, HERE'S THE CRITERIA FOR YOU TO REVIEW AND I'LL TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT A, AS WE GO THROUGH THE CONDITIONS.
UM, THE APPLICATION DOES HAVE TO COMPLY WITH THE, UH, DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, THE CONCEPT PLAN, THE MASTER PLAN AND NEW RIVERSIDE VILLAGE, UM, AS WELL AS THE, UH, COVENANTS CONDITIONS AND RESTRICTIONS.
SO WE WILL NEED A LETTER FROM THE DECLARANT, UH, APPROVING THIS, UH, COFA.
AND THEN THE APPLICATION HAS TO REQUIRE WITH, UH, COMPLY WITH THE APPLICATIONS MANUAL, WHICH IT DOES.
SO YOUR ACTIONS TONIGHT ARE EITHER TO APPROVE AS SUBMITTED, APPROVE WITH CONDITIONS OR DENY THE APPLICATION.
UM, AS INDICATED THERE ARE CONDITIONS, UM, RELATED TO THIS, UH, APPLICATION, BUT I'D LIKE TO GO OVER SOME OF THEM.
UM, THIS IS MORE OF A, UM, TALKING ABOUT THE LANDSCAPING PORTION OF THE PLAN.
THINGS I HAVEN'T COVERED, UH, WILL STOPS DO NEED TO BE PROVIDED, UM, SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE ANY VEHICULAR OVERHANG INTO LANDSCAPE AREAS.
UM, MENTIONED THE CONNECTION IN THE NORTHWEST PORTION OF THE PROPERTY.
THAT AREA NEEDS TO BE LANDSCAPED, THE BUFFER AREA EXTENDED.
WHAT I DIDN'T MENTION, I, I, UH, OVERLOOKED EARLIER WHEN I WAS GOING THROUGH THE LANDSCAPE PORTION IS THAT WE DID NOT RECEIVE A GRADING P PLAN.
AND THE GRADING OR THE, UH, AVERAGE BETWEEN THE C LEVEL THAT WAS IDENTIFIED ON THE PLAN IS SHOWING 23.
IT'S ACTUALLY SOMEWHERE IN THE RANGE OF 39 TO I BELIEVE 41.
SO THAT WILL NEED TO BE CORRECTED.
IT'S VERY POSSIBLE THAT THE EIGHT TREE, THAT EIGHT TREES ON THAT PROPERTY MAY NOT BE ABLE TO BE RETAINED.
AND SO WE'LL WANNA KNOW WHETHER OR NOT, UM, WE NEED TO PLANT MORE TREES.
UH, ONCE THAT'S CORRECTED, UM, INDICATED THAT, UH, THE BUFFER DOES REQUIRE, UM, UH, TO BE CERTAIN THAT IT COMPLIES WITH THE BD CS O.
AND AS YOU KNOW, UM, THERE WERE CHANGES TO THE STORM WATER ORDINANCE, WHICH CHANGED TREE REQUIREMENTS FOR PUDS.
AND SO IT APPEARS THAT ADDITIONAL TREES WILL NEED TO BE PLANTED.
UM, THEY HAVE PROVIDED 19 TREES, HARDWOOD TREES, THE 23 THAT ARE REQUIRED.
SO FOUR ADDITIONAL TREES WILL HAVE TO BE PLANTED OR THEY WILL, UM, OR THEY HAVE THE CHOICE OF PAYING FOR THE FEE IN LIEU.
PURSUING THAT, UM, THERE DOES APPEAR TO BE ROOM TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE FOUR TREES.
UM, WITH REGARDS TO THE LIGHTING, AND THIS IS SOMETHING THAT'S COME UP BEFORE, UM, PLANNING COMMISSION WILL NEED TO MAKE A DETERMINATION, UH, WHETHER OR NOT L E D LIGHTING IS APPROPRIATE AND UM, AGAIN, THE ILLUMINATION LEVEL WILL NEED TO BE CORRECTED TO MATCH THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE BD CS O.
AND WE ARE RECOMMENDING THAT THE LIGHT, LIGHT POST HEIGHTS BE REDUCED AND WE'RE BETWEEN 10 TO 12 FEET AND THAT THE, UM, LUMINAR BES, UH, MORE APPROPRIATE AS WELL RATHER THAN THE COBRA HEAD.
ARCHITECTURALLY, UM, THEY HAVE PROVIDED THE, THE, UM, DUMPSTER ENCLOSURE, WHICH WOULD BE WOOD.
UM, ONE THING THEY DID INDICATE ON THE DUMPSTER ENCLOSURE IS THAT THERE WOULD BE A DOOR ON THE NORTH SIDE, WHICH IS FACING INTO, UM, HIGHWAY 46.
WE ARE RECOMMENDING THAT THAT DOOR BE ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE ENCLOSURE INSTEAD SO THAT THE, UH, ENCLOSURE CAN BE SCREENED.
AND WITH REGARDS TO SCREENING, WE ARE RECOMMENDING THAT, UM, THE ENTIRE HEIGHT OF THE ENCLOSURE BE SCREENED, SO SOME ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPING WOULD BE NECESSARY.
UM, THERE WERE SOME MISLABELING ON CERTAIN PAGES I'VE IDENTIFIED THAT THEIR ELEVATIONS, THE AVERAGE MEANS SEA LEVEL AND THE PROPERTY LINE WILL NEED TO BE, UH, RELABELED.
THE DUMPSTER DIMENSIONS BETWEEN THE LIGHTING PLAN AND THE LANDSCAPE PLAN WERE INCONSISTENT AND THAT WILL NEED TO BE UPDATED.
UM, WITH REGARD TO THE HANDRAIL, WE JUST WANNA POINT OUT, UM, THAT IT WILL BE REQUIRED AND THAT IT HAS TO COMPLY WITH BUILDING CODE AND WE ARE SUGGESTING THAT IT BE SOMETHING THAT'S ARCHITECTURALLY APPROPRIATE FOR THE BUILDING.
AND, UM, ON THE LANDSCAPE PLAN, THE LIGHT POST LOCATION SHOULD BE SHOWN TO IDENTIFY IF THERE ARE ANY CONFLICTS.
UM, THE SIDEWALK I MENTIONED PREVIOUSLY, WE WILL NEED THE LETTER FROM THE DECLARANT AND IF THERE IS TO BE SIGNAGE,
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IF THAT WILL GO THROUGH A SEPARATE SIGN PERMIT PROCESS.AND WITH THAT, I'LL BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR CHARLOTTE BEFORE I ASK THE APPLICANT TO SPEAK? I DO HAVE A, A GENERAL QUESTION AS IT RELATES TO, UM, CAN YOU GO BACK TO WHERE YOU SHOWED THAT PART OF THE PROPERTY THAT IS ACTUALLY PART OF THE PROPERTY? NOWER IN THE BUFFER? YEAH, RIGHT THERE.
UM, ON THE OTHER DRAWINGS, WE'RE SHOWING A PATHWAY GOING THROUGH THERE, WHOSE RESPONSIBILITY IS THAT PATHWAY? THAT'S THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE DEVELOPER.
SO THE, THE MASTER DEVELOPER FOR THE ENTIRE SITE.
SO IT'S NOT THEIR RESPONSIBILITY.
IT, THE ONLY REASON I ASKED IS BECAUSE THE PROPERTY LINE MOVED FROM WHERE.
SO, AND WE'RE HOLDING THEM TO THAT.
UH, DO DO WE NEED TO REQUIRE CONNECTION FROM THIS PROPERTY TO THAT PATHWAY? WOULDN'T BE A BAD IDEA.
UH, MR. RECOLLECTION, THAT PATH WAS SET INTO PLACE.
THE SHOW, UH, WAS, IT IS A, I'M AN EASEMENT AS PART OF THE, AS PART OF THE DOCUMENT, THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE RIVERSIDE VILLAGE, UH, AS PART OF THE DISCUSSIONS BETWEEN THE TOWN AND THE MASTER DEVELOPER FOR NEW RIVERSIDE VILLAGE.
SO WE CAN FIND, WE CAN GET YOU IN A PRECISE, BUT I DON'T THINK IT'S A, I I I INITIAL REACTION IS, I DON'T THINK IT NEEDS TO BE A CONDITION NO, NO, I'M TALKING CONNECTIVITY.
I, I UNDERSTAND WHERE YOU'RE COMING FROM, BUT WHAT YOU DON'T SEE IS RIGHT OFF THE SCREEN IS THAT, UM, ON THE WEST SIDE OF THIS IS THE TOWN OWNED PROPERTY, THAT'S THE PARK AND AND POND.
UH, AND THERE IS A CONNECTION THERE TO THIS TRAIL.
SO THIS IS MORE OF A, MORE OF A, A NATURALIZED TRAIL.
UM, AND IT'S NOT NECESSARILY AN ADA COMPLIANT TRAIL, UH, IN THE SENSE OF IT'S NOT PAVED.
UM, BUT IT IS, AGAIN, IT'S MEANT TO BE A, A MORE OF A WALKING TRAIL.
UH, AND THERE IS A CONNECTION AT THAT POINT.
UH, WE'RE NOT REQUIRING ANY OTHER CONNECTING POINTS BEYOND WHERE THERE'S A, A ROAD CONNECTION AND THEN PEDESTRIAN CONNECTION.
IT'S MORE LIKE WHAT'S AROUND BUCK WALTER PLACE THEN? YES.
I KIND OF LAID IN THE PROCESS FOR THIS, BUT I WOULD QUESTION THAT IF WE WERE EARLIER IN THE PROCESS, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE BIKING AND WALKING ALONG THERE IF THEY CAN'T REALLY BIKE AND WALK ALONG THERE IF IT'S A MULCH TRAIL, BUT, WELL, THAT'S NOT FAIR.
WELL, THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN WITH THE MASTER DEVELOPER AND I, I THOUGHT HAD THAT DISCUSSION, BUT THAT'S NOT THIS PROJECT.
SO WE CAN'T, AND, AND IF I MAY, UM, FOR THE RECORD, I FORGOT TO DO THIS BEFORE I SPOKE RICHARD LA BROOKS, I'M HERE ON YOUR BEHALF.
I'M HERE ON BEHALF OF THE TOWN, BUT HERE FOR THE PLANNING COMMISSION QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.
UM, SO THE, THAT WAS A, THAT WAS A MATTER OF NEGOTIATION BETWEEN THE TOWN AND THE MASTER DEVELOPER THAT WENT THROUGH THE NEGOTIATION, I BELIEVE THAT WENT THROUGH NEGOTIATING COMMITTEE.
AND ONE OF THE ITEMS THAT WAS DISCUSSED WAS WHAT WAS GOING TO, WHAT THAT TRAIL WAS GONNA CONSIST OF.
AND I THINK IT'S, IT WAS NEVER INTENDED TO BE A MULTIPURPOSE PATH.
IT WAS A, UH, A VERY LIMITED AND VERY NATURAL TRAIL.
UM, AND JUST TO HAVE SOME PEDESTRIAN CONNECTIVITY TO THE EXTENT THEY, AND, AND TO OUR CHAIR'S POINT, THIS IS A CONVERSATION FOR NOT NOW.
SO I CAN WELL, BUT IT'S, AS Y'ALL KNOW, WE LOOK INTO THOSE SORTS OF ISSUES THAT, THAT PLANNING COMMISSION AND Y'ALL HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT CONNECTIVITY AND, UH, INFRASTRUCTURE THAT'S IN PLACE.
SO I, I CERTAINLY APPRECIATE THE QUESTION.
WOULD THE APPLICANT LIKE TO SPEAK? SURE.
JAMES ATKINS WITH COURT ATKINS GROUP AND I ALSO HAVE DAN KEER WITH WHITMER JONES KEER.
UM, APPRECIATE THE THOROUGH REVIEW.
THERE'S, UM, WE'VE ALREADY CROSSED OFF SEVERAL OF THESE THINGS OFF THE LIST, UH, IN ANTICIPATION OF THE MEETING.
AND UM, JUST QUICK SUMMARY, UM, ON THE SUBJECT, UM, CHARLOTTE OUTLINE WILL STOPS, WE'LL BE ADDING.
UM, I BELIEVE THERE'S A, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE SITE, THERE'S KIND OF A, A BANK TO THE LEFT OF THIS THAT THE TOWN PROPERTY OWNS AND IT'S ALL GRASSED NICELY.
AND I THINK REMEMBER RON, DAN WAS THINKING THAT I KIND OF GRASS BANK WOULD CONTINUE UP INTO THE SITE, BUT HAVING NO PROBLEM FILLING IN AND ADDING IT, REMOVING IT, AND PUTTING THE BUFFER ALONG THE WHOLE THING, WE JUST THOUGHT IT MIGHT CREATE SOME VISUAL CONNECTIVITY TO THE PARK NEXT TO IT.
UH, IT WASN'T MEANT TO DRIVE ON IT OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, BUT UH, NO PROBLEM ADDING PLANTS.
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UM, UM, DO YOU WANNA MAKE IT A LITTLE BIT EASIER MAYBE, UM, DO YOU HAVE THE RECOMMENDATIONS? YOU SAID YOU CROSSED OFF SOME ALREADY THAT OH, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN DO, I DIDN'T KNOW.MAYBE IF YOU COULD GO DOWN THAT LIST THEN WE'LL KNOW WHAT YOU'RE YEP.
AND I THINK THESE, UH, WRITTEN OUT BY JASON, SORRY, HERE ARE IN THAT ORDER.
SO, UM, NUMBER TWO OR B, SORRY, ONE B UH, NO PROBLEM THERE.
WE WILL ADD LANDSCAPING, REMOVE THE GRASS CONNECTION, THE GRADING PLAN.
WE WENT OUT TO THE SITE THIS MORNING AND TOOK ANOTHER LOOK THERE WHERE THE EXISTING DRIVE AND, UM, SIDEWALK AND PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT, IT WAS CUT IN PRETTY LOW.
AND SO I THINK THERE ARE A FEW TREES UP IN THE CORNER.
THERE'S, THERE ARE NO NOTHING, UM, SACRED, NOT SIGNIFICANT TREES.
I THINK WE PROBABLY WILL END UP LOSING THOSE AND PLANTING NEW LIGHT OAKS ALONG THE PROPERTY THERE.
SO WE'LL MAKE THAT CLARIFICATION.
UM, I THINK BY THE TIME WE BUILD WELLS AND THINGS AROUND THEM, THE DYED BE BETTER AT PLANT NEW STUFF.
UM, SIERRA, UH, ADDING FOUR TREES, WE'VE GOT PLENTY OF ROOM.
WE CAN PUT A COUPLE OF THEM IN THE GRASS AREA THAT WERE REMOVED.
UM, AND UH, TALKING TO DAN, UM, THERE'RE CERTAINLY WILL QUALIFY TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ADJUST THE BUFFER AND GET THE PLANTINGS IN THERE.
UM, SO WE, WE DID LOOK INTO THE LIGHTING I THINK IN THE PAST.
I THINK SPECIFIC TO THIS THING NOT ON THE APPROVED, UM, LIGHT FIXTURE TYPE, OBVIOUSLY IT'S, THEY'RE GOOD AND THEY COME A LONG WAYS.
THEY'RE NOT LIKE GLOWING, THAT'S JUST THE DETERMINATION WE HAVE TO YEP.
UM, SO WE WOULD HOPEFULLY GET, UH, L E D LIGHTING IMPROVE.
WE DID SOME RESEARCH, WE'RE GOING BACK, THERE'S A COUPLE DIFFERENT BZ DSO DOCUMENTS AND WE'LL WORK WITH TOWN TO MAKE SURE WE GET THE RIGHT ILLUMINATION LEVELS CAUSE THEY WERE SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT.
UM, BUT HAD NO PROBLEM GETTING THOSE DOWN THERE.
AND THEN WE'VE ALSO REACHED OUT TO THE MASTER DEVELOPER REGARDING THE SITE LIGHTING TO COORDINATE AND GET THAT TO FIT IN MORE WITH THE OVERALL DEVELOPMENT.
WE DON'T REALLY HAVE ANY INTENTION OF MAKING A STATEMENT PIECE OUT OF THE SITE LIGHTING HERE, SO WE'LL MATCH THE EXISTING DEVELOPMENT AND LOWER THOSE.
WE HAD ALREADY NOTED THAT AND WORKING WITH DAN WHEN WE GOT THE, WE'RE GONNA MOVE THEM FROM THE TREE ISLANDS TO THE BACK OF THE, UM, PARKING, UH, STRIPS AND THEN CHINA ONTO TO THE PARKING LOT.
SO WE'VE ALREADY NOTED THOSE AND THEY'RE RERUNNING THE PHOTOMETRICS WITH ALL THAT, SO NO PROBLEM THERE.
WILL YOU ON YOUR, WHEN YOU PUT THAT PLAN THROUGH AND FINAL, MAKE SURE THAT THOSE ARE ON THE SAME PLAN, SO THAT'S NOT TRYING TO COMPARE TWO DIFFERENT PLANS.
UM, THE, LET'S SEE WHERE WE AT.
SO WE'RE, WE'RE ON A GOOD ROLL HERE.
UH, MAKE SURE THAT THE DUMPSTER ENCLOSURES REVIEWED PLANT WITH STANDARDS WE'RE, IT'S NOT A HUGE DUMPSTER ENCLOSURE.
UH, SO WE'RE GONNA RECOMMEND REMOVING THE PEDESTRIAN DOOR AND OPEN UP THE GATES AND THROWS THE TRASH IN THERE.
UM, AGAIN, THIS, IT'S, UH, THERE TRASH CANS THAT THERE BAGS OF TRASH THAT THEY'RE GOING INTO.
I DON'T THINK THAT, I HATE TO GET OFF CUE HERE AND MESS THIS UP, BUT LET ME, UM, I THINK WE HAD LIKE SHOWN A DOOR UP HERE FOR SOME REASON, BUT I, I'M NOT SURE WHY WE WOULDN'T JUST LIKE MOST DUMPSTER PLACES OPEN UP THE DOORS AND THROW THE TRASH IN.
IT'S NOT A TRASH INTENSIVE OPERATIONS.
UM, UH, ALL OF THIS STUFF, BY THE WAY, I, I, I, TOM NOTED, UM, EASEMENTS, THERE'S ALL, THERE'S A BIG CROSS EASEMENT THAT RUNS THROUGH ALL THIS STUFF.
SO WE ACTUALLY, UM, FORTUNATELY THE CIVIL HERE IS DOING BOTH PROJECTS AND SO HE'S REACHED OUT TOFU, THEY HAD COME TO AN AGREEMENT TO ALLOW ACCESS HERE AND WE'RE GOING TO, WE CHECKED THE TURNING RADIS FOR ALL THEIR GAS TANKER TRUCKS AND EVERYTHING FIT OUT FROM THERE.
SO I THINK THE KEY CHANGES WE'RE RELOCATING THE DUMPSTER FROM HERE TO HERE AND TO WIDEN THIS PLANNING STRIP TO THE MINIMUM.
SO WE GOT BOTH OF THOSE TAKEN CUT OF IN A RELATIVELY QUICK TIMEFRAME FOR TURNAROUND, BUT WE MISSED A COUPLE LABELING THINGS AND STUFF.
SO WE'LL GET THOSE CLEANED UP.
UM, SO, UH, GOSH, I SHOULD HAVE STAYED WHERE I WAS.
UM, THE ROOFTOP EQUIPMENT, UH, UH, WE BELIEVE IS SCREENED.
WE CAN PUT IT ON THE ROOF PLAN TO ENSURE, BUT IF YOU LOOK UM, HERE, UM, WHAT WE'VE DONE IT IS A RANGES FROM TWO TO THREE FEET ON THE MAIN PER, BUT THE H V C IS ACTUALLY TUCK UP RIGHT BEHIND THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING.
AND THE LARGER ROOF SECTIONS, WHICH SERVE TWO PURPOSES, GET SOME SLOPE, ROOF PORCH LIKE ELEMENTS AND
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SCREEN THE PACKAGE UNITS THAT ARE RIGHT BEHIND THAT.I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S A ROOF.
I THINK I'VE ASKED BEFORE ANOTHER APPLICANT IF YOU COULD MAYBE ON THE ROOF PLAN JUST SHOW THE LOCATION.
I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WAS YES, WE UM, IT JUST AS AN EXTRA, I KNOW WE'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO BRING DRAWINGS BUT FOR SOME REASON THEY GOT TURNED OFF.
BUT UH, IF YOU WANT TO SEE WHERE THEY'RE AT, I CAN SHOW YOU NEED LIKE ONE OF THOSE OLD SCHOOL PROJECTORS.
SO THOSE ARE THE UNITS RIGHT THERE SITTING BEHIND THOSE ROOM SECTIONS.
I HAVEN'T BROKEN THE MACHINE YET.
UM, ROOFTOP UNITS RELOCATE THE MANOR SO WE'RE RECOMMENDING WE REMOVE THE MANOR AND WE CAN GET MORE SCREENING AROUND THE DUMPSTER, WHICH WAS ANOTHER ADD ADDITIONAL PLANTINGS.
SO TALK A LITTLE MORE THE MIC CUZ.
UM, WE WILL, UM, WE'RE GONNA REMOVE THE MANOR AND IT'LL GIVE US A CHANCE TO GET MORE LANDSCAPING AROUND THE DUMPSTER, WHICH WAS ALSO NOTED.
SO WE'LL GET MR. KEIFER TO UPDATE THAT, UH, LABELING.
YES, APPRECIATE YOU ALL DOING SOME QA QC FOR US.
SO WE'LL GET THAT, UH, TAKEN CARE OF.
UM, WE'LL GET THE, I'M NOT SURE LIKE IT ACTUALLY SHOWS LABEL THREE PROPERTY LINES ON THE DRAWING.
SO CLEARLY THE TOP IS THE, UM, THE PROPERTY LINE AND THEN THE BUFFERS AND THE BUILDING SETBACKS ARE KIND OF LINED UP THERE.
UH, CORRECTION AS DIMENSIONS, WE TALKED ABOUT PEDESTRIAN ACCESS AND CLOSE.
UM, I'M NOT REALLY SURE, I MEAN WE TALKED INTERNALLY ABOUT IF WE WANTED TO STRIPE A PATH IN THE ROADWAY OR SOMETHING OR I'M NOT REALLY SURE WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR THERE, THERE WITH MOVING THE DUMPSTER OFF OF WHERE IT WAS OVER WORKS BETTER FOR THE TRUCKS AND EVERYTHING.
IT'S A LITTLE FARTHER FOR THE THE INTENT.
YEAH, THE INTENT WAS AT IS WHEN YOU HAD THAT MANOR ON THE SIDE THAT WAS FACING TOWARDS MAY RIVER ROAD, YOU WOULD HAVE TO ACTUALLY GO UP ONTO THE CURB AND THEN IT WAS, THERE WAS NO ACTUAL PATHWAY TO THAT DOOR.
SO THAT WAS THE INTENT OF THAT COMMENT TO THIS COMMENT RIGHT HERE.
SO WITH REMOVAL OF THE DOOR PROBABLY YEAH, THAT ON THEES THAT, THAT MAKES SENSE.
UH, WE WILL KEEP RICHARD HAPPY, WE'LL GET SOME HANDRAILS.
UM, THEY'LL BE RELATIVELY SIMPLE.
UM, BLACK HANDRAILS, NOTHING FANCY.
UM, TALKED ABOUT LIGHT LOCATIONS, WE'RE MOVING THOSE, IT'S ALREADY IN THE WORKS.
UM, SIDEWALK WE WILL ADD THAT, UH, IT USED TO CONNECT ALL THE WAY DOWN AND I FELT LIKE IT WAS WAY TOO MUCH CONCRETE.
UM, BUT THEN WE MOVED IT ALL, SO WE'LL GET THE TYPICAL SIDEWALK WIDTH CONNECTED UP TO THE MAIN DRIVER.
ANYWAY, WE'VE GOT PARKING OUT ON THE STREETS AS WELL.
THE INTENT FOR THAT COMMENT IS THE FACT THAT SIDEWALK IS CLOSEST TO THE PARK WITHOUT HAVING THAT GRADING PLAN.
WE WEREN'T SURE THE, THE GRADE BUT THE SIDEWALK FROM THE EXISTING SIDEWALK TO THE, TO THE, TO THE DOORS.
SO OUR CONCERN WAS MAKING SURE THAT YOU WERE GONNA MEET THE UPPER SLOPE.
IT'S BECAUSE OF THE, THAT GREAT SEPARATION.
YEAH, AND THE, AND THE OVERALL DEVELOPMENT, CUZ SOME OF THAT IS AT 40 AND IF YOU GO OUT THERE WHEN THEY CUT THAT ALL IN, WE'RE ACTUALLY I THINK THE TWO STORY BUILDING.
SO, WHICH IS KIND OF AT GRADE, THE OTHER ONE'S BREAK UP, IT'S KIND OF AT 37.
SO I MEAN WE'RE ACTUALLY KIND OF CUTTING DOWN INTO THAT AND GETTING THAT A LITTLE BIT CLOSER.
SPEAKER, UH, WE RECEIVED THE DECLARANT, UH, THE LETTER, UH, TWO DAYS AGO YESTERDAY.
UH, SO WE HAVE THAT NOW AND WE WILL SUBMIT SIGNAGE AND QUESTIONS.
SO I WE'RE, WE'RE GOOD WITH ALL THE, THE COMMENTS.
UM, AND WE'LL HAPPY TO TAKE ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS.
DAN, ANYTHING ADD APPRECIATE ALL OF THAT.
DOES ANYONE HAVE ANYTHING FURTHER TO ASK OR DID THAT COVER, I WAS JUST CURIOUS, I HEARD, HEARD YOU SAY THAT THE H VC'S ON THE ROOF, IS THERE ANY OTHER SERVICE AREAS GOING IN AROUND THE SIDE OF THIS PROPERTY? THE SIDES OF THE BUILDING, EVERYTHING'S ON THE ROOF, SO THERE'S NO SERVICE YARDS ON THE GROUND OR ANYTHING IN THE SCREEN.
WE'VE GOT PLANTERS AND GARDENS, WATER METERS, ELECTRICAL BOXES.
THERE'LL BE A ELECTRICAL METER, UM, ON THE BUILDING.
WHERE'S THAT? IT TENDED TO GO ONE QUESTION.
FIXED LADDER OR INTERIOR ACCESS? INTERIOR ACCESS.
UH, I'M NOT SURE WHERE THE TRANSFORMER AND THE POWER'S COMING FROM TO BE HONEST WITH YOU.
NOW THAT, AND I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S BEEN DETERMINED, UM, SOMETHING WE'LL HAVE TO LOOK FOR ON THE, UH, WE CERTAINLY, UM, WON'T HAVE IT HERE.
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MIGHT, IF I HAD MY DRUTHERS, I THINK THE ROOM IS KIND OF STUCK RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE HERE, SO WE'LL PROBABLY INTEGRATE IT ON A INSIDE CORNER BACK HERE BEHIND THE, THE BUFFER AREA, BUT WE CAN GET THAT COORDINATED NOTED ON THE FINAL CLAIM.UM, MY ONLY OTHER COMMENT THAT I WANTED TO MAKE, UM, AND IT'S MORE OF A REQUEST THAN IT IS ANYTHING ELSE WHERE THAT DUMPSTER IS LOCATED.
I, AND CHARLOTTE'S KIND OF COVERED THIS ALREADY.
I DO WANT THOSE POT OF PURPOSE A LITTLE TALLER THAN WHAT THEY WERE, BUT THEN COMING, EXTENDING TOWARDS THE GAS STATION, CONTINUING THAT BUFFER.
AND IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE THE POST CARPUS, IT COULD BE, I DON'T REMEMBER WHAT THE OTHER SHRUB IS THAT RUNS ALONG THERE.
IT COULD BE REPEATING THOSE, BUT JUST SO THAT THE FRONT DOOR, SO THOSE DOORS, THAT FRONT FACE OF THE DUMPSTER ISN'T VISIBLE FROM THE RIGHT WAY TALKING RIGHT, RIGHT IN MM-HMM.
AND THAT MAY BE, AND THAT HONESTLY THAT MAY BE COVERED ONCE YOU DO THE HUNDRED, YOU KNOW, THE LANDSCAPING WITHIN THE BUFFER ANYWAY.
I JUST WANT THAT SCREENED IN SOME CAPACITY.
OKAY, WELL, DOES ANYONE WANNA MAKE A MOTION? I'LL MAKE MOTION.
I MOVED TO APPROVE THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS AND HIGHWAY CORRIDOR OVERLAY FOR THE NEW RIVERSIDE VILLAGE PASTA SEVEN WITH CONDITIONS AS FOLLOWS, ONE.
LANDSCAPE PLAN CONDITIONS A THROUGH E AS PROVIDED BY STACK REPORT.
AND NUMBER TWO, LIGHTING PLAN APPROVAL OF THE PROPOSED L E D LIGHTING CONDITION A AND CONDITIONS B AND C AS PROVIDED IN THE STAFF REPORT.
AND NUMBER THREE, THE ARCHITECTURE PLAN CONDITIONS, A THROUGH C AS PROVIDED IN THE STAFF REPORT.
AND NUMBER FOUR, OTHER ITEMS, CONDITIONS A THROUGH H AS PROVIDED IN THE STAFF REPORT.
DO WANT A SECOND? SECOND? HAVE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? I HAVE ONE COMMENT I PARTLY THOUGHT I'D LIKE TO SHARE.
THERE'S A LOT OF RESOURCES AND TIME THAT ARE DEDICATED BY STAFF AND THIS PLANNING COMMISSION.
UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I STRUGGLED WITH WITH THIS APPLICATION WAS THE AMOUNT, THE TIDINESS OF THE DRAWINGS.
UM, AND BECAUSE THERE ARE SO MUCH, THERE'S SO MUCH TIME DEDICATED ONTO PART OF STAFF AND ON THIS GROUP UP HERE, UM, PUTTING OUR ATTENTION ON THINGS THAT ARE JUST, THEY'RE NOT BENEFICIAL AND THEY'RE NOT USEFUL AND THEY'RE NOT, IT, IT'S, IT'S TAKING AWAY FROM WHERE THE TIME COULD BE PLACED.
AND SO I'M JUST ASKING THE APPLICANTS TO THIS APPLICANT AND FUTURE APPLICANTS TO BEAR THAT IN MIND AS WE MOVE FORWARD WITH FUTURE SUBMITTALS.
ITEM NUMBER THREE, CROWN OF BOOK ISLAND APARTMENTS DEVELOPMENT PLAN APPLICATION.
DAN, YOU'RE GONNA PRESENT THIS ONE.
THIS IS A PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR CROWN AT BUCK ISLAND APARTMENT.
IT IS A REQUEST BY THE PROPERTY OWNER, BUCK ISLAND PARTNERS LLC FOR APPROVAL OF THE PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR A MULTI-FAMILY APARTMENT COMPLEX.
THE 10.1 ACRE PROPERTY LOCATED AT FOUR 12 BUCK ISLAND ROAD THAT'S APPROXIMATELY 900 FEET NORTH OF MAY RIVER ROAD.
THIS IS THE SUBJECT PROPERTY SHOWN ON AN AERIAL.
THIS THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS IT SHOWN IN LEFTON EXPLORER SHOWING, SHOWING BUILDINGS.
THE APPLICATION IS FOR A PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN ON 10.1 ACRE PARCEL.
IT'S LOCATED WITHIN THE LIGHT INDUSTRIAL ZONING DISTRICT AND IT'S SUBJECT TO THE STANDARD SET FORTH IN A TEMP LEFTON UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT ORDINANCE PROJECT CONSISTS OF A 200 UNIT DEPARTMENT COMPLEX CONTAINING FOUR, PROPOSED FOUR-STORY ALTA FAMILY BUILDINGS AND ASSOCIATED OPEN SPACE AMENITIES, PARKING AND STORE WATER MANAGEMENT STAFF.
COMMENTS ON PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN WERE REVIEWED AT THE JUNE 22ND MEETING OF THE DEVELOPMENT REVIEW COMMITTEE ON NOVEMBER 14TH.
THE APPLICANT PROVIDED A RESPONSE TO COMMENTS AND UPDATED THE SITE DEVELOPMENT PLANS TO ADDRESS THE COMMENTS PROVIDED.
THE SUBJECT PARCEL, UH, IS OUTLINED IN YELLOW.
THIS SHOWS THAT NORTH OF THE PROPERTY IS ALSO ZONED LIGHT
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INDUSTRIAL.YEAR ROUND POOLS IS ALSO LIGHT INDUSTRIAL ACROSS THE STREET ON BUCK ISLAND ROAD IS NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL.
THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY IS RESIDENTIAL GENERAL AND UH, FURTHER NORTH OF THE PROPERTY IS RESIDENTIAL GENERAL AS WELL.
I'LL JUST, UH, UH, PUT CONSTRUCTION.
THIS IS THE, UH, THIS IS THE PRIMARY ENTRANCE NORTH OF THE PROPERTY.
YOU CAN GO LEFT OR RIGHT IN AND OUT OF THE PROPERTY.
THIS IS THE RIGHT IN, RIGHT OUT ENTRANCE ONLY THE, UH, LEASING OFFICE IS LOCATED IN HERE AND THE AMENITIES ARE HERE.
THERE'S A ALSO OF, ON THE FIRST FLOOR IS PARKING IN THIS BUILDING ONLY, UH, WATER IS LOCATED DOWN HERE.
THE SITE DATA, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN SEE THIS OR NOT.
WE, WE HAVE A TOTAL OPEN SPACE THAT'S REQUIRED IS 20%.
THE RIGHT DIAGRAM IS COMMON OPEN SPACE OR FUNCTIONAL OPEN SPACE.
SITE COVERAGE IS 51% AS PROPOSED A REQUIRED PARKING A TOTAL OF 405 SPACES OF REQUIRED.
THAT'S TWO SPACES PER APARTMENT UNIT PLUS, UH, FOUR SPACES PER A THOUSAND SQUARE FEET FOR THE LEASING OFFICE.
LEASE LEASING OFFICES, UH, APPROXIMATELY 1100 SQUARE FEET, THAT WORKS OUT TO FIVE INITIAL SPACES, SO A TOTAL OF 405 SPACES REQUIRED.
AND THEY ARE PROVIDING A TOTAL OF 405 SPACES.
REVIEW CRITERIA COMES OUT OF SECTION THREE TEN THREE A OF THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT ORDINANCE.
THEY'RE LISTED HERE FINDING COMMISSION ACTIONS ARE APPROVED.
THE APPLICATION AS SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT APPROVE THE APPLICATION WITH CONDITIONS TABLE THE APPLICATION OR DENY THE APPLICATION AS SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT.
AND, UH, TOWN STAFF FINDS THAT THE REQUIREMENTS OF SECTION THREE TEN THREE A OF THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT ORDINANCE HAVE BEEN MET AND RECOMMEND THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION APPROVE THE APPLICATION AS SUBMITTED.
SO THE SUGGESTED MOTION IS THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION APPROVES THE APPLICATION AS SUBMITTED.
AND I'LL ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS IF YOU HAVE ANY.
I HAVE ONE QUESTION ON OUR PACKET.
IT SAID THE RECOMMENDATION WAS THIS INCORRECT.
DO WE NEED TO OIT THAT? THE RECOMMENDATION OF PROVIDE NINE PARKING SPACES? UH, WELL, WE'LL, WE'LL TAKE CARE OF THAT.
I I RETHOUGHT THAT I REMOVED, REMOVE THAT AS A RECOMMENDATION.
IT'S, IT WAS JUST, IT CALCULATES OUT TO NINE HANDICAP PARKING SPACES.
THEY WERE PROVIDING EIGHT, BUT, BUT WE'LL CATCH THAT FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
AND IS THERE ANY, UM, REQUIREMENT FOR PLANTING BETWEEN THE PARKING AND THE ACCESS AT THE NORTH OF THE PROPERTY, LIKE DISTANCE WISE OR IS THAT FINE BEACH PLANTING ALONG THE, THIS SEEMS LIKE THE PARKING SPACES ARE ALMOST TOUCHING THE, UM, R AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAUGHT IT OR NOT.
THEY'RE PROPOSING A BRICK WALL THAT I THINK IS OH, THAT'S WHAT'S IN BETWEEN THE TWO.
AND, AND THEN THERE'S ABOUT THREE FEET.
I, I, UH, THREE FEET OF ACTUAL AREA.
UH, WE HAD A DISCUSSION ABOUT LIVING.
YEAH, WE, UM, WE WORKED WITH THE, THE LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT AND THE ENGINEER, UH, JUST BECAUSE OF THE, THE PROXIMITY TO THE DRIVE AISLE AND WHERE THE PARKING WAS LOCATED.
THE WAY THE ORDINANCE WAS WRITTEN IS THAT YOU COULD HAVE THE LANDSCAPING WHERE YOU DO A COMBINATION.
SO BY PUTTING THAT BRICK WALL IN, WE'RE PROVIDING THAT, THAT, YOU KNOW, IN ESSENCE THE LANDSCAPING COMPONENT TO IT.
SO, UM, IT WAS JUST A VERY, IT WAS A TIGHT SQUEEZE, UM, FOR THE ACCESS THROUGH THE, UM, AND I'M SORRY.
AND THE RE PART OF THE REASON WHY IS BECAUSE IT STILL PROVIDES THE FUNCTIONALITY FOR THE ADJACENT PROPERTY.
SO RSI, THEY DO HAVE TRUCKS THAT, THAT GO INTO THAT AREA RIGHT THERE.
SO THEY NEEDED TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY HAD SUFFICIENT SPACE TO BE ABLE TO MANEUVER THEIR TRUCKS INTO THEIR, UM, BAY DOORS.
SO WHAT, SO THEY USE THAT SAME DRIVE? YES.
SO THAT'S AN EASEMENT? YES, THAT'S AN EASEMENT.
IT'S ON, IT'S ON THE, THIS PROPERTY OR THEIR PROPERTY EASEMENTS ON, IT'S, IT'S ON THE CROWN
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PROPERTY.IT'S A 20 FOOT ACCESS EASEMENT.
IT ALSO PROVIDES ACCESS TO THE, UM, TO THE LIFT STATION THAT'S BACK THERE.
SO WHAT IS THE MATERIAL, I GUESS IF THEY'RE, I JUST, I KNOW THAT IT'S JUST A RENDERING.
SO THE GRAY DRIVEWAY THAT COMES, I MEAN, IS THAT GONNA CONTINUE ALL THE WAY TO THE LIFT STATION? NO.
UM, OR WHAT IS THAT? IS THAT MATERIAL CHANGE OF JUST THE, THIS ENTRANCE IS GONNA BE IMPROVED? I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS RIGHT NOW, WHETHER IT'S, IT'LL BE ASPHALT BE AS, IT'LL BE ASPHALT.
SO THEN WHEN IT TO GET ACCESS TO THE LIFT STATION, WHAT IS IT? SCRAP GRAVEL.
I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S UN IMPROVED EXCESS POINT.
SO RAI DOESN'T BEFORE THE CURVE.
ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR DAN THE APPLICANT WANNA SPEAK? ACTUALLY I DO.
UM, I'M GONNA ASK, AND I, I SUSPECT THIS IS UD RELATED, BUT I'M GONNA ASK THE QUESTION I ASK ON EVERY SINGLE ONE.
WHERE DID WE GET THE DENSITY FROM? DID WE CREATE THIS OR DID IT IT'S OUR FORM BASED CODE.
SO, SO THE, UM, IT'S, WELL THEY CAN HAVE AS MANY UNITS AS CAN FIT IN THERE THAT THEY CAN PARK AND PROVIDE STORM WATER FOR BECAUSE NO, THERE'S NO SET DENSITY.
THE DENSITY IS BASED UPON BUILDING BECAUSE IT'S NOT IN A MASTER PLAN.
IT'S IN UDO AND THEY HAVE BY RIGHT.
THAT'S WHERE RECOMMENDATION COMES FROM.
WHAT'S THAT THEN THERE'S NO HEIGHT REQUIREMENT? WELL, THAT'S HAVE A TWO, TWO STORY TO POOR STORY BUILDING, BUILDING.
ALL FOUR OF THESE ARE REC ARE PROPOSED AS FOUR STORY BUILDINGS.
SO WE'RE, WE'RE ALLOWING FOUR STORIES THERE WHERE WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING OVER TWO STORIES CURRENTLY.
IT'S ALLOWED BY, RIGHT IN THE LIGHT INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT YOU DO LIGHT INDUSTRIAL.
IS THERE AN ACTUAL SPECIFIC HEIGHT AND HAVE WE, WE VERIFIED WITH THE FIRE DEPARTMENT THAT THEY CAN HANDLE A FOUR-STORY BUILDING THERE.
UM, I CAN'T REMEMBER IF THEY HAD, IF UH, DAN WILSEY HAD ANY COMMENTS THAT HE, HE WAS OKAY.
WHATEVER COMMENTS THAT HE HAD WERE, WERE REMEDIED PRIOR TO THIS MIDDLE HERE.
UM, I WOULD JUST ASK, WE WE MAKE THAT CLEAR BEFORE FINAL, UM, YES.
BEFORE MARSHALL HAS BEEN INVOLVED THROUGHOUT THIS PROCESS.
WELL I KNOW HE WOULD'VE BEEN ON THE INITIAL PRC, BUT JUST THAT, THAT HEIGHT AND THAT ONE OF THE THINGS, I MEAN, I, I'LL BE HONEST WITH YOU.
UM, DO YOU HAVE THE, THE, UM, THE ELEVATION FROM THE STREET? IT WAS IN, LET'S SEE, IT WAS, I I DO NOT HAVE AT LINCOLN SUPPLEMENTAL INFORMATION, THE CONCEPTUAL ARCHITECTURAL RENDERING.
I, I DIDN'T INCLUDE IT AS A SLIDE IN THE, IN THE PRESENTATION.
WELL, UM, IN LOOKING AT IT, IT EVOKES, UM, VISIONS OF, UH, ROUTE 17 HEADING INTO CHARLESTON.
AND THAT IS A BUNCH OF VERY TALL APARTMENT BUILDINGS RIGHT ON THE ROAD AND NO ROOM FOR ROADS TO EXPAND IN THE FUTURE.
DO WE HAVE REQUIREMENTS IN THE UDO OF SETBACKS FURTHER THAN WHAT IT IS? BECAUSE I MEAN THAT IS LITERALLY RIGHT ON TOP OF A THREE-LANE ROAD.
SO THIS IS OUT THE UDO AND, AND THE FORM BASE CODE, IF YOU LOOK LIGHT INDUSTRIAL IS THIS BOTTOM ROW.
SO EVERY, AND SO THE LOT TYPES THAT, THAT ARE, ARE ALLOWED ARE DOTS.
HERE WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS LARGE MULTI-FAMILY LOT.
SO WHAT, UH, FRONT SETBACK IS A 10 FOOT MINIMUM AND 30 FOOT MAXIMUM.
I THINK THEY'RE SHOWING 10 FOOT MINIMUM.
THEY MAY HAVE MOVED IT TO 1515.
IT SAYS AT 15 THE MAX THEY COULD GO BACK IS 30 FEET.
AND, AND THEY MEET THE REST OF THE CRITERIA FOR, FOR REAR YARD SIDE YARD SETBACK, LOCK COVERAGE.
AND AS YOU CAN SEE, THE FINAL COLUMN IS, IS, UH, BUILDING HEIGHTS WITH THE MINIMUM OF TWO STORY AND MAXIMUM FOUR STORY QUESTION ABOUT THE SIDEWALK.
THERE IS A PROPOSED SIDEWALK ALONG THE BACK OF THE PLAN.
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I JUST, I MEAN I KNOW IT FITS THE UDO, IT FITS THE REQUIREMENTS.THERE'S VERY LITTLE TO DO HERE TO REQUIRE THAT, BUT MY CONCERN AS WE REVISIT THE UDO O NEXT YEAR ARE ABOUT THE HEIGHT AS IT RELATES TO OTHER PROPERTIES AROUND IT AND HOW IT'S LITERALLY UP ON THE STREET.
IT'S, IT'S GOING TO, IF WE ALLOW OTHER DEVELOPMENTS LIKE THAT AND WE DON'T FIX THIS IN THE U D O IN MY OPINION, WE'RE ENDED UP WITH A TUNNEL EFFECT ON SMALL ROADS LIKE WHAT YOU SEE WHEN YOU RUN INTO CHARLESTON.
DO YOU MIND GOING BACK TO THAT U D O UM, LINE THAT YOU WERE SHOWING? THE OH, THE LOT WIDTH.
AND THE APPLICANT IS HERE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? YEAH, I'M DONE.
HELLO, I'M DAN KEIFER QUICKER, JAMES KEIFER AND UH, I'M HERE WITH CARRIE LEV, UH, UM, DEVELOPER AND THEN THE ARCHITECT DEVELOP SECRET.
AND CALEB CAME FROM OUR OFFICE.
AND THANK YOU EVERYBODY FOR REVIEWING THIS TONIGHT.
WE'RE HERE AT THIS POINT TO ANSWER QUESTIONS AND CLARIFY ANY, ANY ITEMS, UM, THAT WE HAVEN'T ADDRESSED ALREADY.
I JUST, I, I LOOK AT THE OTHER CROWN PROJECTS IN THIS TOWN, HEAD OLD CAROLINA IN ADAM ONE 70.
AND I DON'T SEE THIS TALL, MASSIVE THING SITTING RIGHT UP ON THE ROAD.
AND THAT'S WHAT, WHAT PAGE WAS THAT? I'M NOT GONNA BELABOR THE POINT.
I JUST, WHAT PAGE IS THAT? AND THEY DO BEAT THE BUILDING DIMENSION REQUIREMENTS.
DID YOU GUYS LOOK AT ENTERTAINING, PUSHING THIS ROAD, THIS BUILDING BACK A LITTLE BIT FROM THE RIGHT OF WAY AND RECONFIGURING THE PARKING A LITTLE BIT? ONE OF MY, THERE'S, I'M, I AM ALSO WITH, UH, COMMISSIONER WHITMER THAT THIS IS OUT OF CHARACTER FOR THE PLACE.
SO TO, AND I UNDERSTAND YOU HAVE TO, YOU HAD TO PUT IT BETWEEN 10 AND 30 FEET, BUT THE MAXIMUM STEP BACK, IT'S REALLY THAT, THAT STACY IS UNUSABLE AT THAT POINT.
DOES THIS COME BACK TO US FOR ARCHITECTURE OR ANYTHING? THE OTHER HEARTBURN THAT I'M NOT, IT'S, IT'S JUST ABOUT THE, OKAY.
THE OTHER HEARTBURN I'M HAVING IS THESE EIGHT FOOT WIDE PARKING SPACES.
UM, I'M SURE YOU ARE VERY FAMILIAR WITH TOWN OF HILTON HEAD, WHICH WHEN THEY DO COMPACT SPACES, THEY SHORTEN THE DISTANCE, NOT NARROW THE WIDTH OF THE LOT.
CARS DON'T GET REALLY NARROW WHERE THEY GET SHORTER BY AND LARGE NOT.
IF WE COULD GO TO THE, THAT SLIDE REAL QUICK.
SO, UM, AS YOU CAN SEE ON THIS SLIDE RIGHT HERE, UM, WE ACTUALLY WORK WITH THE APP.
WE DO ALLOW FOR UP TO 25% OF YOUR PARKING TO BE COMPACT SPACES.
NOW WE DON'T CLEARLY DEFINE WHAT IS A COMPACT SPACE, SO WE ARE WORKING ON THAT.
I'VE WORKED IN OTHER MUNICIPALITIES WHERE IT'S ACTUALLY BASED OFF OF BLUE WIDTH.
IT WAS SEVEN AND A HALF FEET, BUT YOU STILL HAVE THE SAME LENGTH OF 18 FEET.
SO WHAT WE'VE DONE IS WE, AS YOU CAN SEE, THESE BLUE DOTS ARE ALL, EXCEPT FOR A FEW OF THEM ARE ON THE END OF THE AISLE.
THE INTENT IS THAT BY HAVING IT ON THE END OF THE AISLE, YOU ACTUALLY HAVE A LITTLE ADDITIONAL SPACE OF THE ISLAND ITSELF FOR INDIVIDUALS TO BE ABLE TO USE FOR THE DOOR.
UM, ONE OF THE THOUGHT PROCESS IS ALMOST TO HAVE A, A FLAT, UM, UH, CURB, UH, AT THAT POINT.
SO THAT WAY IT JUST PROVIDES THAT LITTLE BIT OF EXTRA SPACE WHILE STILL PROVIDING A, A SMALLER PARKING SPACE.
THEY ARE GOING TO AN EIGHT FOOT PARKING SPACE AS OPPOSED TO NOT SEVEN AND A HALF.
SO, UH, WHAT'S REQUIRED IS NINE BY 18.
UH, THESE FEW SPACES ARE BEING PROPOSED AT UH, EIGHT.
SO THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT, THAT WAS MORE OF A STAFF RECOMMENDATION WHEN THE APPLICANT WAS ABLE TO UPDATE THE PLANS ACCORDINGLY.
THERE'S ALSO A COUPLE OF PLACES WHERE THERE SHOULD BE SOME TREES AT THE END OF THE BAYS THAT AREN'T THERE ON THE PLAN.
UH, THAT'S A NITPICKY COMPARED TO THE OVERALL PROBLEM THAT THIS PROJECT IS TO ME.
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ADVOCATE FOR PROPERTY RIGHTS, BUT THIS IS SIGNIFICANT.IS THIS IS MAJORLY OUT OF INCONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
SO THIS IS MAJORLY INCONSISTENT WITH, UM, THE MASTER PLAN FOR THE BUCK ISLAND, SOME MENVILLE NEIGHBORHOOD.
THE, THERE'S A FOUR STORY STORAGE UNIT ON BUCK WALTER ON A MUCH LARGER RIGHT OF WAY.
AND THE, IT'S 70 FEET AWAY FROM THE ROADWAY AND IT'S NOT EVEN ABUTTING THE ROADWAY FACE ON LIKE THIS.
AND IT IS PROBLEMATIC TO THE COMMUNITY THAT BUCK ISLAND VILLE MASTER PLAN IS ABUNDANTLY CLEAR THAT THIS IS NOT WHAT THEY WANNA SEE.
THEY DON'T WANT APARTMENTS, THEY DON'T WANT THIS KIND OF DENSITY HERE.
UM, AND I UNDERSTAND YOU'VE GOT PROPERTY RIGHTS, BUT THIS ISN'T SENSITIVE TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD IN ANY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM.
IT'S NOT THAT WE DON'T NEED APARTMENTS IN BLUFFTON, WE ABSOLUTELY NEED APARTMENTS.
I'M ALSO STRUGGLING BECAUSE THIS IS A LIGHT INDUSTRIAL SITE, UM, WHICH WE HAVE OF THE LAND USES THAT WE HAVE IN THIS TOWN.
THAT IS ONE OF THE LEAST AMOUNT OF SPACES THAT WE HAVE AND WE'RE SHIFTING IT TO MULTI-FAMILY, WHICH MEANS THAT WE HAVE EVEN LESS OPPORTUNITY FOR ECONOMIC DIVERSITY IN THIS TOWN.
UM, I IT IT IS, THIS IS AN UNFORTUNATE PROJECT QUITE HONESTLY.
WHERE DOES THIS GO FROM HERE? IS THIS IT OR DOES IT GO TO TOWN COUNCIL? UH, FROM, FROM NEXT STEPS.
THIS IS, UH, PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
SO, UM, IF IT'S APPROVED NEXT STEP BEYOND THAT WOULD BE THROUGH STORMWATER MS FOUR APPROVAL AND THEN A FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN APPROVAL, WHICH GOES THROUGH THE DEVELOPMENT REVIEW COMMITTEE AND THEN ULTIMATELY BUILDING PERMITS.
HAVE ANY OF THE NEIGHBORING OR THE NEIGHBORING SITES, ANYONE REACHED OUT ABOUT ANYTHING? HAVE Y'ALL APPROACHED? OKAY.
HAVE Y'ALL APPROACHED THE NEIGHBORS AND THEY KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON? AND WE SENT OUT THE NOTICES TO NEIGHBORS? NO, I KNOW THAT.
I JUST DIDN'T KNOW IF THEY ACTUALLY TALKED TO PEOPLE.
YEAH, WE'VE TALKED TO SEVERAL OF THE NEIGHBORS, NEIGHBOR TO OUR NORTH RSI PREVIOUSLY, UM, OWNED THE SITE AND SOLD IT.
SO HE'S AWARE, UH, WE'VE SPOKEN TO HIM THROUGH OUR CIRCLE ENGINEER AND THEN YEAR ROUND POOL TO OUR SOUTH IS AWARE.
I SPOKE TO HIM PERSONALLY, HE ACTUALLY DID OUR POOL ON OUR LAST PROJECT.
DID RSI GIVE ANY INDICATION AS TO HOW THEY WERE GOING TO ADDRESS THEIR PARKING AND DUMPSTER? I KNOW THAT'S NOT YOUR RESPONSIBILITY AND SO I UNDERSTAND THAT'S NOT A PART OF OUR PURVIEW, BUT I'M CURIOUS.
CAN I HAVE YOU STATE, STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD? UM, CARRIE LEVO WITH CROWN PARTNERS.
PLEASE COME FORWARD AND TONIGHT.
CARRIE LEVO WITH CROWN PARTNERS? I GO BACK, NO.
UM, WE DID SPEAK TO HIM THROUGH, UM, THE PERSON WHO WAS SELLING US THE SITE REGARDING THOSE SPACES AS THERE'S NO OFFICIAL RIGHTS FOR THEM.
UM, AS FAR AS WHAT THEY DO, YOU KNOW, FROM HERE, ONCE WE DEVELOP THE SITE, OBVIOUSLY WE ARE NOT GRANTING THEM ANY RIGHTS.
BUT UM, WE HAVE A LETTER FROM THEM ACKNOWLEDGING, YOU KNOW, THE, THE LACK OF AN EASEMENT OR ANY OFFICIAL IN WRITING, UM RIGHT TO PARK THEIR CARS.
HAVE Y'ALL THOUGHT ABOUT, AND I KNOW THIS CUZ YOU, YOU'RE WORKING WITH NUMBERS, BUT ESPECIALLY THOSE TWO FRONT BUILDINGS DO SOME TO MAKE THAT SEAL LOWER, SMALLER AND THEN PROGRESS AS YOU GO INTO THE LOT.
ONLY BECAUSE LIKE KATHLEEN'S MENTIONED AND CHARLIE AND IT, IT'S NOT BLUFFTON AND IT'S NOT THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.
UM, AND YEAH, I DON'T, I DON'T THINK IT'S APPROPRIATE FOR, LIKE YOU SAID WITH THE COMPLEX AND YOU DID IT AT CROWN IN OLD CAROLINA, YOU HAVE TWO STORY BUILDINGS ON THE OUTSIDE TO BE SENSITIVE TO THE ADJACENT NEIGHBORS AND THE LO AND THE MASS AND SCALE AND ONE THREE STORY ON THE INSIDE.
JUST CUZ YOU CAN DOESN'T MEAN YOU SHOULD.
SITUATIONS FOR, I I CANDIDLY WAS NOT AROUND A CROWN FOR OLD CAROLINA.
THAT WAS A LITTLE BIT BEFORE MY TIME.
UM, WITH REGARDS TO THIS SITE, I KNOW WE WERE, I SPENT MAYBE A HUNDRED HOURS WORKSHOPPING THIS PLAN BASED ON THE UDO CODE AND THE RESTRAINTS WITH THE MINIMUM MAXIMUM SETBACKS AND THEN OBVIOUSLY THE ECONOMICS OF DEVELOPING THE SITE.
UM, WITH AS MUCH LAND BEING DEDICATED TO THE STORMWATER WETLAND AND THIS WAS, YOU KNOW, THE BEST WAY WE COULD GET IT DONE AND MAKE IT WORK FOR US.
SEE THIS IS THE PROBLEM THAT WE HAVE WITH ALL DEVELOPERS.
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IT'S YOU'RE FOCUSING ON YOUR SITE, YOU'RE NOT FOCUSING ON YOUR SURROUNDINGS AND YOUR COMMUNITY AND THIS KIND OF TURNS ITS BACK ON WHAT'S GOING ON AROUND WITHIN ITS NEIGHBORHOOD.SO THAT'S WHAT'S DIFFICULT I THINK FOR ALL OF US.
UM, THIS ISN'T JUST SOMETHING YOU POPPED DOWN ON A PIECE OF PROPERTY, LIKE I UNDERSTAND THE UDO AND IT'S, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE DIFFERENT, YOU MIGHT MEET EVERY SINGLE CRITERIA, BUT LIKE SHE SAID, JUST CUZ YOU CAN DOESN'T MEAN YOU SHOULD.
SO, UM, WE'VE HAD THIS ARGUMENT A LOT WITH OTHER AREAS IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, PEOPLE NOT BEING SENSITIVE.
UM, SO THAT'S, THAT'S A BIG STRUGGLE AND THAT THAT'S NOT BEEN THOUGHT OF AT ALL.
CAN I ASK YOU A QUESTION? UM, I DON'T WANT TO STEP ON LEGALITY AND THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING YOU.
UM, IS IT WITHIN OUR PURVIEW TO TALK ABOUT, UM, STEPPING IT DOWN IN THE FRONT SO THAT IT BLENDS IN BETTER WITH THE COMMUNITY AND THOSE TYPE OF THINGS? SO AS Y'ALL ARE WELL AWARE, YOU HAVE CRITERIA THAT YOU ARE REQUIRED TO CONSIDER ON ANY OF THESE APPLICATIONS.
AND ONE OF THE COMPLICATING FACTORS, I I JUST TO SPEAK AS FRANKLY AND OPENLY AS I POSSIBLY CAN, UM, OBVIOUSLY THE COMPLICATING FACTOR ON THIS ONE IS IT'S OWNED LIGHT INDUSTRIAL AND LIGHT INDUSTRIAL DOES PERMIT RESIDENTIAL USES AND A MULTI AND A MULTIFAMILY RESIDENTIAL USE.
AND IT IS BASED OFF OF A OFF THE SITE DIMENSIONS.
UNLIKE RESIDENTIAL GENERAL USE SURROUNDS THIS PROPERTY RESIDENTIAL GENERAL USE, UM, AT LEAST ON CERTAIN NUMBER OF SIDES, WHICH WOULD BE FOUR UNITS AN ACRE.
UM, AND THAT'S YOUR MODERATE DENSITY USE.
THIS OBVIOUSLY IS SUBSTANTIALLY HIGHER DENSITY THAN FOUR UNITS AN ACRE.
BUT, UM, ULTIMATELY IF YOU LOOK AT YOUR DEVELOPMENT PLAN CRITERIA UNDER YOUR UDO, IT IS VERY OBJECTIVE.
UH, WHEN Y'ALL EVALUATE MASTER PLANS, WHEN YOU EVALUATE YOUR CO HD, THERE'S A LOT MORE SUBJECTIVITY IN THERE, MASSING AND SCALE.
DOES THIS COMPLY WITH THE COMP PLAN? DOES THIS COMPLY WITH THE MASTER PLANS? UH, THAT MAY AND ALL THE ASSOCIATED DOCUMENTS YOU HAVE THAT SUBJECTIVITY THAT YOU CAN REALLY USE, UM, TO MAKE YOUR FINAL DETERMINATION.
UH, IN, IN THIS CASE, UH, THAT IS THE CRITERIA IS RELATIVELY OBJECTIVE.
YOU HEAR FROM STAFF WHAT THEIR OPINION IS ON THE UDO AND HOW THE UDO APPLIES.
UH, YOU'VE HEARD FROM STAFF ASK TO ALL OF THE CRITERIA AND OBVIOUSLY THE APPLICANT IS AN AGREEMENT WITH STAFF ON THAT, BUT ULTIMATELY IT'S YOUR DETERMINATION ON THE CRITERIA.
STAFF DOESN'T MAKE THE FINAL DECISION ON A PRELIM, Y'ALL DO.
SO I WOULD DEFER TO YOU AND DEFER TO Y'ALL'S JUDGMENT, UH, TO BETTER DIRECTLY ANSWER YOUR QUESTION.
I THINK IT IS ABSOLUTELY APPROPRIATE FOR YOU TO DISCUSS THAT, UM, AND TO SEE IF THAT CAN BE, IF THAT CAN BE MANAGED.
THAT BEING SAID, THE CRITERIA IS THE CRITERIA AND MAKING THAT FINAL DETERMINATION IS GIVING AN OBJECTIVE EVALUATION OF THE CRITERIA AND MAKING A DETERMINATION BASED OFF OF THAT.
UH, I UNDERSTAND THAT Y'ALL, THIS IS A VERY, VERY TOUGH PROJECT FOR Y'ALL.
I CAN, HAVING SAT IN FRONT OF YOU FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS NOW, UM, A MONTHLY BASIS I CAN READ YOUR BASIS, I THINK FAIRLY WELL DEFINED WHEN YOU'RE STRUGGLING WITH SOMETHING.
AND THIS OBVIOUSLY IS A PROJECT THAT Y'ALL ARE STRUGGLING WITH BECAUSE IT, IT DOES NOT SEEM CONSISTENT WITH BLUFFTON.
IT CERTAINLY DOES NOT SEEM, SEEM CONSISTENT WITH BUCK ALLEN SIMMONS, UH, IN THAT MASTER PLAN.
SO, UH, IF, IF YOU HAVE ANY PARTICULAR QUESTIONS ABOUT ANY OF THE PARTICULAR CRITERIA, I'D BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO CONSIDER THOSE AND SEE IF I CAN'T PROVIDE AN OPINION TONIGHT.
UM, BUT AGAIN, THIS IS A PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN APPLICATION CRITERIA TO EVALUATE IT UNDER THE UDO AND ANY OTHER GOVERNING DOCUMENTS THAT MAY APPLY, UH, THAT DOES NOT IN THIS CASE INCLUDE THE COMP PLAN AND, UM, BUT THAT Y'ALL ARE THE ARCHITECTS AND THE KEEPERS OF THE COMP PLAN.
SO THAT'S, THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF, YOU CERTAINLY CAN CONSIDER IT IN ANY OF YOUR ACTIONS WORK WORKED ON SO LONG.
ANY ANY OTHER QUESTIONS THAT, THANK YOU.
I JUST, I MEAN I'M LOOKING, I PULLED UP ON GOOGLE MAPS AND I'M LOOKING AT THESE FOUR HOUSES, FIVE, SIX HOUSES RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET THAT NOW ARE GONNA LOOK OUT THEIR FRONT DOOR AND GO,
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HOW DID WE GET HERE? AND THAT'S IT.IT'S AGAIN, JUST, JUST UH, KIND OF SPEAKING TO Y'ALL AS PLANNING COMMISSIONERS AND AND RESIDENTS OF THE TOWN.
AND UM, OBVIOUSLY WE, WE TRY TO SEND OUT NOTICES TO EVERYBODY, UH, AS PART OF THE ZONING CODE AND BY, BY WE, I MEAN THE APPLICANT IN THIS CASE.
UH, BUT THERE'S, THE REALITY IS THAT PROBABLY A HANDFUL OF 'EM ARE, UM, TENANTS AND GETTING, AND THE MAIL MAY GO ELSEWHERE.
SO, UM, IT, IT IS, THAT'S THE REALITY OF IT.
I'M SURE THAT THERE WILL BE, THERE WILL BE COMMON ABOUT THIS.
UM, BECAUSE I KNOW OF Y'ALL'S POSITION AND I KNOW HOW DIFFICULT THIS CAN BE.
I WANNA BE VERY CLEAR THAT IT'S, I I UNDERSTAND YOUR FR FRUSTRATION.
AND UM, THE CRITERIA IS THE CRITERIA AS FAR AS THE COMP PLAN AND CONSIDERATIONS.
WHEN Y'ALL RECOMMEND ORDINANCES TO BE APPROVED BY TOWN ZONING ORDINANCES, PART OF THAT CONSIDERATION IS WHETHER THEY ARE IN CONFORMITY WITH THE COMP PLAN.
SO THE ZONING ORDINANCES HAVE ALREADY BEEN PREDETERMINED AS BEING IN CONFORMITY WITH THE COMP PLAN AND IF IT FITS THE ZONING ORDINANCES, IF THEY'RE, UH, MEETS THE COMP PLAN.
BUT THEN YOU TAKE ALL THOSE DIFFERENT ZONING ORDINANCES AND COMBINE 'EM TOGETHER AND YOU MIGHT GET SOMETHING THAT IS INCONSISTENT AND IT'S JUST THE UNFORTUNATE NATURE OF TRYING TO DEAL WITH THE ZONING, UH, A ZONING CODE WHERE THERE PERHAPS ISN'T THE SPECIFICITY THAT YOU WOULD OTHERWISE SEE IN, IN MANY OTHER ZONING DISTRICTS CUZ THIS IS BY INDUSTRIAL COMPLICATED.
WHAT'S ALSO INTERESTING IS OUR LAST STUDIO EDITS WERE PRIOR TO THE MOST RECENT REVISION TO OUR COMP PLAN AS WELL.
SO TYPICALLY, AND, AND THAT'S WHY YOU WOULD, WITH THE NEW COMP PLAN, YOU'RE GONNA START, AND AS MR. IKER HAS BROUGHT UP, UH, Y'ALL ARE GONNA START LOOKING AT DIFFERENT REVISIONS TO THE UDO, BUT YOU CAN'T MAKE THOSE REVISIONS UNTIL YOU GET YOUR COMP PLAN.
AND SO YOU DO HAVE, UH, WE ARE IN A LITTLE BIT OF AN OVERLAP HERE, UH, BUT ONE HAS TO HAPPEN BEFORE THE OTHER.
AND THIS IS, THIS APPLICATION WAS FILED BEFORE THERE WERE ANY PENDING ZONING ORDINANCES UNDER CONSIDERATION.
SO IT'S, IT IT FALLS UNDER WHATEVER THE CURRENT ZONING CODE IS OR THE ZONING CODE AT THE TIME OF THE APPLICATION.
HYPOTHETICALLY SPEAKING, THERE'S A POSSIBILITY.
SO THIS IS HYPOTHETICAL QUESTION STAFF.
WHEN YOU'RE PUTTING, PROPOSING A BUILDING ON THE FRONTAGE OF BUCK ISLAND AND IT SAYS A 10 TO 30 FOOT SETBACK, WHAT PERCENTAGE OF THE BUILDING FRONTAGE HAS TO BE WITHIN THAT 10 TO 30 FOOT SETBACK? COULD YOU L-SHAPE IT BACK? IT JUST, IT HAS TO TOUCH THAT PORTION OF IT SO THEY COULD USE IT FOR COMMON SPACE, OPEN SPACE UP THERE AND PUSH THE BUILDING OUT SOMEWHERE ELSE ESSENTIALLY.
OR THERE'S RECONFIGURATION POSSIBILITIES IN THIS.
THE, THE, THE FURTHEST BACK GO IS THAT 30 FOOT FOUR PORTION OF THE FRONTAGE OF THE BUILDING.
WELL, YEAH, SO WHEREVER THE, WHATEVER THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING IS, SO I CAN'T GO ANY FURTHER BACK THAN 30 FEET.
BUT YOU DON'T HAVE TO HAVE ALL HUNDRED FEET OF BUILDING UP ON THAT FRONTAGE.
YOU COULD STEP IT AND NOT JUST STEP IT BACK HEIGHT WISE WHERE THE SECOND FLOOR IS SET BACK, BUT ALSO WHERE THE FRONT, HOW IT ADDRESSES THE STREET GETS YES.
RESHAPE ONCE THEY'RE IN THAT 10 TO 30 ZONE, HOW JUST HIGHLY OCCURRED.
I, I KNOW YOU DON'T HAVE TO, UM, BUT I WOULD JUST HIGHLY ENCOURAGE YOU TO RECONSIDER WHAT WAYS YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO MASSAGE THIS.
UM, NOT, I'M NOT SAYING GIVE UP YEAH.
I'M SAYING LOOK AT IT FROM A LENS OF BEING CONTEXTUALLY SENSITIVE TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD BECAUSE ONCE THIS GOES UP, I MEAN IT'S JUST, IT'S HARD.
IT'S NOT GONNA BE GOOD AND IT'S NOT GONNA, IT'S GONNA BE, IT'S GONNA BE IN THE PAPERS, IT'S GONNA BE ON FACEBOOK, IT'S GONNA BE IN MY INBOX OF CATHERINE, WHY DIDN'T YOU SAY YES TO SOMETHING? AND IT'S BECAUSE I HAVE TO NOW.
AND SO KUDOS TO THE DESIGN TEAM.
YOU CERTAINLY MADE GOOD USE OF THE UDO YOU FOUND EVERY WAY TO MAXIMIZE THE SITE AND THAT IS AN IMPRESSIVE JOB RIGHT THERE.
I WILL BE, I WILL ABSOLUTELY HAND THAT TO YOU.
AND I THINK YOU'RE, I THINK YOU'RE HEARING US AND KEVIN, I THINK YOU'RE HEARING US THAT HOPEFULLY YOU CAN, IF THE COMMISSION APPROVES THIS IN A MINUTE, YOU CAN WORK THE APPLICANT
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TO TRY AND SOMEHOW GET IT AWAY FROM LOOKING LIKE IT'S SITTING RIGHT DOWN THE ROAD AT FOUR STORIES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF TWO STORIES.JUST BECAUSE THAT PROPERTY HAPPENED TO BE ZONED THAT WAY IN THAT LOCATION AND THE USE GOT CHANGED FROM THE ORIGINAL TENT.
I THINK IT'S HARD WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE COMP, I MEAN, FOR TOWN COUNCIL AND PLANNING COMMISSION AND EVEN SOME OF THESE CONSULTANTS TO GO THROUGH AND LOOK SITE BY SITE AND FIND ALL OF THESE LITTLE OPPORTUNITIES.
UM, AND TO BUTTON THAT ALL UP, I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S A HARD ASK.
THIS IS AN IMPOSSIBLE, AGAIN, YOU GOTTA REMEMBER THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, THE GUIDING POLICY DOCUMENT, AND THE UDO IS THE REGULATORY DOCUMENT.
SO NOT EVERY SINGLE TIME THEY'RE GOING TO BE CONSISTENT WITH EACH OTHER.
SO THE BY RIGHT IS THAT THEY ARE ALLOWED TO GO UP TO THE FOUR STORIES.
UM, WE HAVE TALKED WITH THE APPLICANT IN THE PAST ABOUT THAT.
THE, YOU KNOW, THE INTENT OF TRYING TO, YOU KNOW, PUSH BACK A LITTLE BIT, UM, FROM AN ARCHITECTURAL STANDPOINT.
HOWEVER, YOU CANNOT MAKE YOUR DECISION ON THE ARCHITECTURE, BUT THAT'S WHY WE'RE STRUGGLING.
YES, I KNOW THAT UNDERSTAND, THAT UNDERSTAND.
UM, WE WORK WITH THEM AS MUCH AS WE CAN WITH, UH, YOU KNOW, VARIOUS FOUNDATION PLANTINGS, UH, THE PLANTING'S OUT ALONG THE FRONT.
UH, THERE WILL BE SOME LIMITATIONS.
OBVIOUSLY THERE IS A OVERHEAD POWER LINE AT THAT LOCATION.
I CAN'T REMEMBER IF YOU SAID YOU WERE LOOKING TO BURY THAT.
SO THE, THE OVERHEAD POWER LINE, IF IT'S IF CAN GET BURIED, THAT GIVES THEM OPPORTUNITY FOR, UM, LARGER MATURE TREES, UH, AS OPPOSED TO, UM, TREES THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE SMALLER NATURE.
TYPICALLY AT THAT POINT YOU'RE LOOKING AT, UH, CRATE, MYRTLE'S, UH, ANYTHING UNDER A POWER LINE.
SO, UM, THAT GIVES MORE FLEXIBILITY DURING THAT, UM, DURING THE LANDSCAPE, UH, PORTION OF IT.
UH, THOSE TREES CAN HELP TO, TO MINIMIZE THAT IMPACT OF THE BUILDING.
IT TAKES TIME, LIKE EVERYTHING, OF COURSE, UM, FOR IT TO GROW A COUPLE OF SEASONS.
SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN OBVIOUSLY WORK WITH THEM, UH, ON THE LANDSCAPE PLAN, PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
WE DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE THE LANDSCAPE PLANS, SO, BUT THAT FINAL WE CAN, WE CAN MAKE SURE AND CAUSE OF THE, THE, THE BUILDINGS, UM, LOOK TO ENHANCE THAT FRONT, THAT FRONT BUFFER, UM, AS WELL AS ANY SIDE BUFFERS.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE CAN, WE CAN MAKE SURE TO PAY SPECIAL ATTENTION TO IT.
AGAIN, WITH A FORM BASED CODE.
IT IS, AS DAN HAD MENTIONED, IT'S LIKE IF YOU CAN GET EVERYTHING TO FIT IN THAT BOX, THEN THAT'S HOW MANY UNITS YOU CAN GET.
I GUESS IT'S NOT EVEN THE, IT'S NOT EVEN THE FOUR STORIES.
LIKE, YOU KNOW, LIKE I SAID, IF IT WAS JUST SENSITIVE TO THE FRONT AND THEN YOU COULD DO WHAT YOU DID IN THE BACK, BUT IT'S JUST NOT NEIGHBORLY, IT'S NOT COMMUNITY IN NAPLES.
UNFORTUNATELY, NEIGHBORLY IS NOT IN THE UDS.
I JUST, FOR THE RECORD, IT LOOKS LIKE INDUSTRIAL IS THREE STORIES MAX, AND YOU HAVE TO BE AT LEAST 30 FEET FROM THE FRONT, FROM THE FRONTAGE.
LARGE COMMERCIAL, NOT INDUSTRIAL.
OKAY, WELL, I DON'T KNOW WHERE TO GO FROM HERE IF ANYBODY REALLY WANTS TO MAKE A MOTION OR NOT, BUT, UM, UM, I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO ABOUT IT.
WELL, OUR INITIAL APPOINTMENT IS TO BE LEGALLY RESPONSIBLE TO THE TOWN.
WOULD YOU LIKE TO, DAN, THEY ARE STILL REQUIRED TO DO THE NINE PARKING, THE NINE SPACES.
THEY'VE ONLY GOT EIGHT IN THE HANDICAP IS WHAT YOU SAID.
YEAH, BUT WE'LL TAKE CARE OF THAT UPON.
THERE'S ALSO ONE OF THE ENTRANCES WHERE THERE'S NOT A HANDICAP PARKING SPACE LOCATED NEXT TO IT.
THERE'S TROUBLE ENTRANCES, JASON, ALL THAT.
I MEAN, THAT'S THE WASTE OF OURS.
I'M JUST BUTTONING IT WHAT THE MOTION MIGHT BE.
THAT'S ALL YOU WANNA GIVE A LEGAL MOTION? CHARLIE
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MOTION'S GONNA STAND, BUT I DON'T WANNA MAKE IT.NO, WHAT HAPPENED? OH, WE DO IF WANTS STAND MOTION.
SO, UM, WE'VE NEVER BEEN LIKE THIS.
NO, I, AND AGAIN, I CAN, I CAN SENSE Y'ALL'S FRUSTRATION AND YOUR RELUCTANCE TO DO ANYTHING WITH THIS BECAUSE UNFORTUNATELY, UH, UH, SORRY, I DON'T, DIDN'T MEAN TO SAY UNFORTUNATELY.
UM, THE UDO STATES WHAT IT, WHAT IT, WHAT IT, WHAT IT STATES AT THE MOMENT.
UM, AGAIN, THIS IS A PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
IT'S GONNA GO THROUGH FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN PROCESS.
UM, AND THEN IT'S, IT'S, THAT'S IT.
SO WE KNOW, UH, YOU DO NEED TO MAKE A MOTION UNDER THE STATE LAW.
YOU HAVE TO PROVIDE, HAVE TO PROVIDE A FINAL DECISION.
AND IT'S, IT'S IMPORTANT THAT IT BE DONE.
AND IT'S, IT'S IMPORTANT THAT Y'ALL JOB UPHOLD THE UDO, UM, AND DO WHAT Y'ALL ARE, UH, APPOINTED TO DO.
UH, AND, UH, EVEN WHEN IT'S EXTRAORDINARILY.
SO I DON'T WANT TO HAVE TO START CALLING OUT NAMES.
SO I, I'M TEASING THIS IS NOT, THIS IS UP TO Y'ALL.
UM, ONE OTHER, YOU KNOW, ITEM TO KIND OF BRING TO THE FOREFRONT OF IS, UM, WHILE YOU CAN'T MAKE DECISIONS, UM, BASED OFF OF ARBITRARY, UH, COMMENTS, UM, YOU KNOW, IF, IF YOU SO CHOOSE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS APPLICATION, I MEAN, I THINK IT'S, IT'S HELPFUL TO, UM, MAKE STATEMENTS TO THE APPLICANT.
UM, NOT NECESSARILY WHAT YOU WOULD BASE YOUR DECISION ON, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, FURTHER RECOMMENDATIONS AS THEY MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS PROCESS.
UM, YOU KNOW, I I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, IT, IT, THEY'RE HERE, THEY'RE LISTENING.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE, WE WORK AS, AS, AS MUCH AS WE CAN WITH THE, WITH THE UDO.
UM, AND WE TRY TO, TO GET THEM TO, UM, TO MINIMIZE, UM, IMPACTS ON CERTAIN AREAS AS WELL.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK SOMETIMES STATEMENTS MIGHT HELP AS WELL, BUT NOT NECESSARILY REGULATE IT.
I'M GO ALONG WITH KATHLEEN FOR A SEC.
YOU'VE HEARD EVERYBODY'S VOICE OF THIS AND WHAT THEY FEEL ABOUT THE PLAN ITSELF.
THERE A POSSIBILITY, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG ON THIS, BUT HAVE YOU LOOKED AT POTENTIALLY EVEN LOOKING AT CHANGE IN THE FRONT OF THAT, THOSE TWO FRONT BUILDINGS? UM, WE, WE HAVE CONSIDERED A NUMBER OF OPTIONS, YOU KNOW, IN CONCERT WITH STAFF.
I WOULD POINT OUT, UM, WHEN WE INITIALLY BROUGHT THEM THIS PLAN, THERE WAS MORE BUILDING FRONTAGE ALONG BUCK ISLAND AND IT WAS AT 10 FEET.
SO WE TOOK SOME OF THEIR COMPETENCE IN CONSIDERATION.
WE STEPPED IT BACK ANOTHER FIVE FEET.
THOSE BUILDINGS WERE ESSENTIALLY FULL LS.
WE CUT BACK THE LS TO GET MORE BUILDING FRONTAGE OFF.
UM, YOU KNOW, SO WE HAVE LOOKED AT A NUMBER OF OPTIONS WITH THEM, UM, IN A BUNCH OF DIFFERENT WAYS.
AND YOU KNOW, THAT THE CURRENT MOMENT, THIS WAS, I GUESS THE BEST WE COULD COME UP WITH WHILE WORKING WITHIN THE RULES THAT WE WERE, UM, SUPPOSED TO FOLLOW UP.
SO YOU'VE HEARD ALL OF OUR CONCERNS.
ARE YOU LISTENING TO THOSE? AND IS THAT SOMETHING YOU COULD TAKE BACK TO YOUR, AND MAYBE DISCUSS? OF COURSE, BECAUSE THOSE, I MEAN OBVIOUSLY YOU WIN, WE CAN'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT THAT.
BUT IF YOU COULD PLEASE BE A GOOD NEIGHBOR, ABSOLUTELY.
I WOULD REALLY APPRECIATE YOU GUYS CONSIDERING THAT'S, I THINK EVERYBODY'S VOICE HAS BEEN SAID.
I'M JUST SAYING I THINK EVERYBODY'S VOICE IS, THEY ARE SAYING AT LEAST TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION WHERE YOU'RE AT.
WE CAN CERTAINLY TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION.
I MEAN, THIS IS JUST A SITE PLAN.
WE HAVE NO DRAWINGS, SO THERE'S A LOT OF WORK TO BE DONE.
UM, AND WE CAN DISCUSS, BEN, CAN YOU PULL UP, PULL UP THE, UM, UM, THE OVERHEAD VIEW WITH THE BUILDINGS IN THE PARKING LOT? I'M GONNA ASK, I'M GONNA ASK A STUPID QUESTION HERE.
AND I KNOW THERE'S SETBACK RULES AND SO ON, BUT WE CAN MAKE EXCEPTIONS SOMETIMES.
WHAT IF BUILDING TWO AND OR BUILDING THREE WHERE ROTATED AND SOME OF THE PARKING WAS PUT IN FRONT JUST TO STEP IT BACK FROM BUCK ISLAND, SOME, IS THAT FEASIBLE? I DON'T WANT TO OVERSTEP BOUNDS HERE OR ANYTHING.
I'M JUST TRYING TO THINK OF A WAY TO PULL THAT MASS AND SCALE BACK.
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UH, THAT'S WHERE IT GETS BACK TO THAT, UM, UH, BILL TWO LINE.SO THE BILL TWO LINE MAXIMUM IS 30 FEET.
SO THE INTENT WITH THE FORM BASE CODE IS STREET LANDSCAPING BUILDING AND THEN USES BEHIND THAT.
SO, UM, WHILE I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO OF PUSHING IT BACK FROM THE SCALE STANDPOINT, UH, THE WAY THE CODE IS WRITTEN IS THAT THE BUILDINGS ARE UP TOWARDS THE FRONT.
SO WHAT IS THE PROCESS IF THERE'S AN EXCEPTION TO THAT CODE ON A PIECE OF PROPERTY? AND IS IT ZONING BOARD, UM, CODE? WELL, THAT'S A, THAT'S A VARIANCE, UM, BASED OFF OF A HARDSHIP FROM THE APPLICANT.
WELL, I THINK THE HARD SHIP'S UP HERE TONIGHT.
WELL, I, I THINK THAT'S WHERE WE CAN'T FILE THAT
UM, BUT THAT IS, THAT IS SOMETHING TO, UH, AS YOU GUYS KNOW, JANUARY 17TH WE HAVE A JOINT, UH, WORKSHOP WITH THE TOWN COUNCIL.
UM, SO THAT'S ONE OF THE ITEMS THAT YOU'D LIKE TO DISCUSS.
THEN I THINK THAT, THAT, UH, COULD BE BROUGHT UP.
HOWEVER, THAT'S A MUCH LARGER CONVERSATION AND WE'RE AT POINT FOR A VOTE.
UM, THE YEAR ROUND POOL BUILDING AND THE RSI, THOSE ARE SETBACK FURTHER IN OUR LIGHT INDUSTRIAL.
I'M ASSUMING THOSE WERE INF BEFORE THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT.
WAS THERE, MAYBE YOU WEREN'T HERE AT THE TIME, WAS THERE A DISCUSSION ABOUT THE SETBACKS THAT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE FOR LIGHT INDUSTRIAL? I I, I THINK THOSE BUILDINGS WERE THERE BEFORE THE PROPERTIES WERE EVEN ANNEXED INTO THE TOWN.
SO WHEN, WHEN THE UDO WAS BEING, BEING CONFIGURED AND PUT TOGETHER, AND MINES WERE, BECAUSE IT'S JUST INTERESTING WHEN YOU'VE GOT LIGHT INDUSTRIAL ALREADY HERE, YOU'RE ASSIGNING A LIGHT INDUSTRIAL AND YOU'VE CREATED A UDO THAT'S ASKING FOR LIGHT INDUSTRIAL TO BE 10 TO 30 TO FEET FROM BUCK ISLAND.
LIKE THAT'S, THAT'S THE UD EDIT WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT.
WELL, I UNDERSTAND IT'S THE UDO EDIT.
I'M, I WAS, THIS WAS A QUESTION OF HISTORY.
THAT'S AN UNFORTUNATE, DON'T THROW ANYTHING AT ME, KEVIN.
I KNOW YOU'RE GONNA WANT TO, I ONLY HAVE A PEN IF YOU ALREADY DON'T PAPER CLIP.
WHAT I MEAN, IF, IF WE ALL LOOK AT THIS AND I I, WE DON'T EVEN KNOW CUZ WE HAVEN'T EVEN ASKED HIM CUZ I JUST, YOU KNOW, WE'RE JUST DISCUSSING THIS.
BUT IF THE APPLICANT WERE WILLING TO ROTATE AND PUSH BACK ONE OF THOSE BUILDINGS AND WE WERE WILLING TO DO IT AND IT MADE SENSE, UM, I'D ALSO, YOU KNOW, REMIND YOU.
SO, SO SETH, YOU'RE SETTING A PRE? YES, WE'VE ACTUALLY, UM, WE'VE WORKED WITH THE APPLICANT FOR, FOR QUITE SOME TIME, ACTUALLY QUITE A FEW MONTHS.
UM, SO, UH, YOU KNOW, WE'RE AT A POINT WHERE FROM A STAFF LEVEL, YES WE UNDERSTAND, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT THE, THE BIGGEST IMPACT IS, IS RIGHT UP AGAINST THE ROAD.
UH, SO FULLY UNDERSTAND THAT I THINK THAT, UM, THAT THEIR ENTIRE TEAM HAVE, HAVE TWISTED AND TURNED THESE BUILDINGS ANY WHICH WAY THAT THEY CAN, UH, TO HELP TO, UH, TO MINIMIZE THAT IMPACT.
UM, SO THAT'S WHERE, YOU KNOW, PUSHED BACK MORE LANDSCAPING, YOU KNOW, BURYING POWER LINES, UM, TO BE ABLE TO HAVE LARGER TREES OUT THERE.
SO THERE'S A LOT OF THESE FACTORS THAT, THAT WE'VE BEEN, WE'VE BEEN WORKING THROUGH OVER THE MONTHS IN ORDER TO MINIMIZE THOSE IMPACTS ALONG THE ROAD.
A SILLY QUESTION FOR THE ARCH, WELL I KNOW IT'S NOT ABOUT ARCHITECTURE, BUT THE PLANNING OF THAT WITH THE LEASING LEASING OFFICE, I MEAN, COULD THAT NOT BE TOWARDS THE FRONT AND THEN YOU COULD SCALE THAT DOWN AND THEN MAKE UP YOUR STACKING ON YOUR BUILDING ONE? UM, SO THAT AGAIN, THAT BUILDING IS, IT'S ACTUALLY, IT'S THREE STORIES OF APARTMENTS AND THEN A IT'S A PULL IN GARAGE.
YEAH, HONOR, I'M JUST SAYING IF THAT, AGAIN, I'M JUST TRYING TO GIVE AN OPTION AS FAR AS MAYBE PUTTING THE LEASING STUFF ON THE FAC ON THE FRONT FACE AND SCALE DOWN THREE STORIES.
BUT THEN THAT BUILDING ONE BE RECONFIGURED.
IT DOES, BUT IT'S GOT PARKING UNDERNEATH.
I'M JUST SAYING FOR THE UNITS TO MAKE UP.
IT'S ALSO GOT THE POOL AREA BACK THERE TOO, WHICH IF YOU SHIP THAT OPEN SPACE UP NOW THE HARD PART IS, IS THEY'VE GOT TWO BUILDINGS VERSUS THIS BEING ADJACENT TO ONE BUILDING AND YOU'VE GOT A ROAD THAT'S GONNA COME BETWEEN.
I JUST THINK THERE'S ROOM TO SHUFFLE THINGS.
THERE'S A WAY TO SHUFFLE THINGS AND WE CAN'T SEE THE DESIGNERS THAT'S ALL EITHER.
NO, THAT'S, I'M JUST SAYING THERE'S ROOM TO ROOM TO DO THINGS.
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DID YOU SAY, UM, THAT YOU DIDN'T, YOU SAID SOMETHING TO THE, THE EFFECT AND, AND CORRECT ME IF WHEN THAT I'M GOING TO BE WRONG, UM, NO, THAT I'M GOING TO BE WRONG, BUT THAT YOU DIDN'T, WE COULDN'T AGREE TO INCREASE THE SETBACK OR ALLOW A GREATER SETBACK THAN 30 FEET BECAUSE IT SETS A PRECEDENT.IS THAT WHAT YOU SAID? NO, I'M SAYING THAT'S, THAT'S VARIANCE WHICH THEY WOULD'VE TO APPLY.
SO THE ONLY, THE ONLY LEGAL AUTHORITY TO, UM, DEVIATE FROM A EXAMINING ORDINANCE IS TO PREPARE PROCESS APPROVED BY BZA.
UNLESS THERE IS SOME SORT OF SUBJECTIVITY INCLUDED WITHIN YOUR ORDINANCE.
LIKE THE, UM, HISTORIC DISTRICT.
YOU'LL HAVE SUBSTITUTE SUBSTITUTE MATERIALS OR SOMETIMES ACCEPTED AND CERTAIN IF THERE'S A DETERMINATION MADE OR LIKE Y'ALL MADE WITH THE LAST PROJECT, THERE WAS A DETERMINATION THAT THIS WAS AN ACCEPTABLE SUBSTITUTE.
UH, WHEN IT COMES TO BUILDING SETBACK LINES IN THE WHATEVER, IT'S 5.8 POINT WHATEVER, UH, THERE ARE, THOSE ARE SPECIFIC 10, 10 FOOT MINIMUM, 30 FOOT MAXIMUM.
SO YOU WOULD NEED TO GET A VARIANCE AND A VARIANCE UNDER THE STATUTE AND CASE LAW AND THE UDO IS A UNNECESSARY HARDSHIP, WHICH WOULD BE UNLIKELY.
IT JUST, IN MY OPINION, IT WOULDN'T QUALIFY.
SO IT'S, IT IS REALLY, UH, YOU COULD DO, IF THE APPLICANT WAS INTERESTED IN DOING A, YOU KNOW, PUSHING THAT BACK AWAY FROM THE ROAD, YOU LIKELY WOULD NEED TO GO THE TEXT AMENDMENT ROUTE, WHICH WOULD SLOW DOWN THEIR PROJECTS SUBSTANTIALLY.
SO I, I CAN'T IMAGINE THAT THE APPLICANT WOULD BE VERY, UH, INCLINED TO DO SO.
AGAIN, YOUR YOUR CRITERIA IT IS, IT DOESN'T COMPLY WITH ARTICLE FIVE.
UH, AND THEN 3 10, 3 2 MOST DEVELOPMENTS SHOULD BE IN CONFORMANCE WITH ANY IMPROVED DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, HUD CONCEPT PLAN, BUD, MASTER PLAN, SUBDIVISION PLAN, NONE OF WHICH APPLICABLE IN THIS CASE OR ANY OTHER AGREEMENTS OR PLANS THAT ARE MM-HMM.
AND SO IT'S UP TO Y'ALL TO DETERMINE YOU THINK ANY OF THOSE OTHER AGREEMENTS OR PLANS WOULD IMPACT YOUR DECISION HERE.
AND THERE'S, THAT'S, THAT IS A DETERMINATION FOR Y'ALL TO MAKE.
I'M GONNA LET YOU DO IT
UM, I WOULD LIKE TO SAY BEFORE I MAKE MY MOTION, I'D ALSO LIKE TO SAY THANK YOU FOR WORKING WITH THE STAFF TO MAKE IMPROVEMENTS.
I AM GLAD TO HEAR ABOUT THE POWER LINES BEING BURIED.
UM, AND I APPRECIATE THAT YOU GUYS HAVE PUT SOME WORK IN TO TRY TO CON RECONFIGURE THIS TO BE LESS IMPOSING.
UM, I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO CONTINUE TO WORK TOWARDS, TRY AND CREATE AS MUCH SENSITIVITY TO THE NEIGHBORS AS POSSIBLE.
UM, AND WITH THAT BEING SAID, UM, I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE APPLICATION AS SUBMITTED WITH, UM, THE, AND ALSO WITH THE RECOMMENDATION, UM, THAT STAFF PUT FORWARD TO INCLUDE NINE ACCESSIBLE SPACES.
I'M ABOUT TO VOTE THE WAY I'M ABOUT TO VOTE NOW BECAUSE I WANT TO BE, CAUSE I HAVE TO, I STRONGLY, STRONGLY, STRONGLY ENCOURAGE Y'ALL TO WORK WITH TOWN STAFF AND COME UP WITH SOMETHING THAT MAKES IT SO THAT WE AND YOU CAN DRIVE THROUGH THIS NEIGHBORHOOD WHEN THIS PROJECT IS DONE AND NOT HAVE PEOPLE THROWING ROCKS AT US AND UPSET AT US BECAUSE WE MET THE INTENT OF THE LAW.
I'M SORRY, THE LETTER BECAUSE WE MET THE LETTER OF THE LAW BUT NOT THE INTENT.
THE INTENT IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD AND IN THAT AREA IS NOT TO HAVE SOMETHING THAT'S MASKED LIKE THAT AT THE FRONT.
I'D ALSO LIKE TO ADD, FOR THE RECORD, THIS COULD BE A FOUR-STORY INDUSTRIAL BUILDING THIS CLOSE TO THE FRONTAGE.
SO THIS IS HAVE AN IMPROVEMENT OVER WHAT COULD HAVE BEEN FOR THE RECORD PRETTY AND YES, STAFF, KEVIN SAID THE SAME THING THAN IT CAME.
IT'S MUCH BETTER THAN IT WAS WHEN IT FIRST CAME IN.
SO WITH ALL OF THAT, HOPE YOU'VE HEARD US.
UM, DO WE HAVE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION, KEVIN? I CAN TALK.
LET'S SEE, WHAT TIME IS IT? IT'S, SHE NEEDS SIX.
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A REMINDER THAT, UH, WE'LL SEND OUT NOTIFICATIONS ABOUT PUBLIC SHOTS.DO YOU HAVE A MOTION TO TAKE A MOTION PLEASE? AJON ADJOURN.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? HAVE A GREAT NIGHT.
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SO HERE WE ARE IN THE MIDDLE OF A WETLAND, ACTUALLY RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF A TOWN.
AND WE'RE LOOKING FOR TREE FROGS AND WETLANDS LIKE THIS ARE A GREAT PLACE FOR AMPHIBIANS TO COME AND BREED THINGS LIKE BARKING TREE FROGS, GREEN TREE FROGS, AND EVEN NARROW MOUTH TOADS.
AND YOU CAN HEAR 'EM IN THE BACKGROUND.
AND THESE ARE ALL MALES THAT ARE TRYING TO CALL LOUDER THAN THE MALE NEXT TO 'EM TO GET THE ATTENTION OF LOCAL FEMALES.
SO LET'S SEE IF WE CAN FIND ONE.
OKAY, SO HERE IS A BARKING TREE FROG AND THIS IS A MALE.
AND WE CAN TELL, SEE ALL THIS LOOSE SKIN RIGHT HERE.
AND THAT'S WHAT THESE THINGS USE TO VOCALIZE, TO CALL MATES.
THESE, THE ONES THAT WE HEAR ARE ALL MALES AND THEY'RE TRYING TO ATTRACT THE FEMALES THAT ARE NEARBY AND THEY'RE ALL TRYING TO CALL LOUDER THAN THE ONES NEXT TO THEM.
NOW THIS IS A TREE FROG AND TREE FROGS GET THEIR NAME BECAUSE THEY'RE GREAT CLIMBERS AND THEY HAVE LITTLE STICKY TOE DISKS.
AND THESE DISKS ALLOW 'EM TO ALLOW THEM TO GO STRAIGHT UP TREES OR EVEN UP GLASS SOMETIMES.
HERE IS A LITTLE GREEN TREE FROG AND GREEN TREE FROGS ARE A LITTLE BIT SLIMMER AND THEY DON'T TYPICALLY HAVE THE SPOTS ON THEIR BACK, BUT THEY DO KIND OF HAVE A WHITE STRIPE THAT RUNS DOWN THE EYE RIGHT HERE.
BUT THEY'RE SUBSTANTIALLY SMALLER THAN THE BARKING TREE FROGS.
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