[IX.1. Certificate of Appropriateness: A request by Colleen Lawrence as owner, for a Certificate of Appropriateness to allow the rehabilitation of the 775 SF Contributing Resource, known as 38 Boundary Street, in the Old Town Bluffton Historic District and zoned Neighborhood Center - HD. (COFA-09-22-017206) (Staff-Glen Umberger)]

BUSINESS I DON'T BELIEVE SO SO IT LOOKS WE'RE IN THE NEW BUSINESS AND GLENN, YOU ARE UP TO DATE WITH ALL OF THESE. I BELIEVE THAT'S RIGHT. YOU GIVE ME MY WELL, GREAT.

THANK YOU, GLENN. HE'S ON HOLIDAY SO I'M PETITIONING AND.

CAN WE TAKE A NOTE THAT WE HAVE HAD SOMEONE ENTER IN? DO WE NEED TO NOTE THAT? I THINK WE SHOULD. JOSH ENTERED OUR BUILDING AT THE WHAT TIME IS IT WHEN I'M 3602. THANK YOU. SO WE DO HAVE AN ADDITIONAL MEMBER WE GOT THANK YOU JOSH THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT.

OKAY. GOOD EVENING EVERYBODY. FIRST ITEM UP TONIGHT IS 30 LAWTON STREET AND THIS IS A REQUEST BY COLEEN LAWRENCE OWNER FOR A CERTIFICATE APPROPRIATENESS TO ALLOW THE REHABILITATION OF A 755 SQUARE FEET WITH A CONTRIBUTING RESOURCE NOTICE 30 BOUNDARY STREET LOCATED AT 30 LAWTON STREET DON'T GET EXCITED TOO CONFUSING BUT THIS IS THE CODE THREE LAWTON STREET TO REMIND YOU WHERE IT IS LOCATION MAP IS ON YOU YOUR LEFT IS ZERO MATCHES ON THE RIGHT YOU MAY RECOGNIZE THIS ONE RECENTLY THEY DID IN NEW YORK CLEAN OUT THIS IS CURRENT CONDITIONS OF THE PROPERTY AS OF OCTOBER FROM A FRONT ELEVATION AND SIDE ELEVATION REAR ELEVATION WHICH NOW YOU CAN SEE FROM VALUE FOR YOU AND I'M GIVING YOU SOME HISTORIC PHOTOGRAPHS THIS IS A SURVEY PHOTOGRAPH FROM 2008 AND THE SECOND FROM ALSO FROM 20. THIS IS THE VIEW LOOKING IN FRONT OF THE CORNER OF LAWTON IN CALHOUN LOOKING TO THE NORTH AND WEST JUST TO REMIND YOU REHABILITATION THE ACTIVE PROCESS OF MAKING POSSIBLE YOU CAN PROBABLY USE FOR PROPERTY FOR REPAIR OR ALTERATIONS AND ADDITIONS WHILE PRESERVING THOSE PORTIONS OR FEATURES WHICH CONVEYS HISTORICAL CULTURAL OR ARCHITECTURAL VALUES THE APPLICANT HAS GIVEN US SOME ELEVATIONS THAT SHE DREW WHICH ARE FANTASTIC. THESE ARE THE PROPOSED PROPOSED PROPOSED OF THE FRONT FACADE AND THE EAST ELEVATION THE REAR ELEVATION AND THE WEST ELEVATION.

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SHE INCLUDED COLOR SCHEMES WHICH. WE DO A LOT OF IMPROVING BECAUSE WE DON'T LOOK AT COLOR THROUGH HB SAYING BUT SHE TOLD US THE COLORS OF THE PROPERTY THAT IS GOING TO PAINTED AS EACH RECEIVE YOU SHALL CONSIDER THE CRITERIA SET FORTH IN SECTION 318 THREE THE EEO RECEPTION HERE AN APPLICATION CERTIFICATE APPROPRIATENESS YOU CAN APPROVE THE APPLICATION SUBMITTED YOU CAN APPROVE THE APPLICATION WITH CONDITIONS OR YOU MAY DENY THE APPLICATION SUBMITTED. WHEN WE LOOKED AT THE RELEVANT REVIEW CRITERIA FOR THIS THREE GENE THREE APPLICATION REVIEW CRITERIA THIS APPLICATION MEETS ALL THOSE CRITERIA UNDER SECTION 515 SIX UNDER ARCHITECTURAL STANDARDS THE APPLICATION MEETS ALL THESE CRITERIA THE TOWN STAFF HAS RECOMMENDED AGENCY IMPROVE THE APPLICATION AS SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT. DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS AS THE APPLICANT HERE OR DID YOU SEPARATELY SIR THANK YOU I JUST WANT TO MAKE ONE NOTE THAT IT'S REALLY WONDERFUL TO SEE THAT DID THIS ALL ON YOUR OWN. YOU DIDN'T HIRE ANY ARCHITECTURAL FIRMS SO I THINK IT'S A GOOD EXAMPLE TO USE AS YOU IF YOU DO IT PROPERLY AND YOU FOLLOW THE UDL EVERYTHING THAT YOU'VE DONE IN HERE IS JUST REALLY WONDERFUL SO THANK YOU FOR DOING SUCH A THOROUGH JOB AND I JUST THINK IT NEEDS TO BE NOTED THAT YOU DID IT ON YOUR OWN. DO I JUST WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT WHAT I PUT IN IS IT'S ALL LOOK IT'S GOING TO LOOK REALLY NICE AND CUTE AND I'LL KEEP IT HISTORICALLY SOUND AS IT IS SO WELL THANK YOU FOR DOING SUCH AN ACCURATE AND PRECISE JOB. ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS CAN ANYBODY LOOK THROUGH? NO COMMENTS. WITH THAT BEING SAID IT LOOKS I'M LOOKING FOR A MOTION TO LOOK THROUGH EVERYTHING AND I FEEL THAT IT AS YOU STATED IT MEETS ALL THE IT CHECKS ALL THE CHECKMARKS IT IT ALL THE RIGHT BOXES.

YES I'M PERSONALLY I MOTION WE APPROVE AS SUBMITTED SECOND WE HAVE A SECOND LOOKING FOR ANY FURTHER DISCUSSIONS ANY FURTHER DISCUSSIONS NOW IF NOT ALL IN FAVOR I SAY IT UNANIMOUSLY DO I HAVE AN ALL IN FAVOR YES. YES. IT LOOKS LIKE WE UNANIMOUSLY APPROVED. THANK YOU SIR. THANK YOU AGAIN JUST LATER THIS WEEK. OKAY. ITEM NUMBER TWO THIS IS A

[IX.2. Certificate of Appropriateness: A request by Robert Breger as owner, for a Certificate of Appropriateness to allow the construction of a new 1,200 SF Carriage House at 30 Lawrence Street, in the Old Town Bluffton Historic District and zoned Neighborhood General - HD. (COFA-07-22-017007) (Staff-Glen Umberger)]

CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS ROBERT SCHRAGER AS OWNER REQUESTS FOR PRESERVATION COMMISSION THROUGH THE FOLLOWING APPLICATION. THIS IS A CERTIFICATE APPROPRIATENESS TO ALLOW THE CONSTRUCTION A NEW 1200 SQUARE FOOT CARRIAGE HOUSE LOCATED AT NUMBER 30 LAWRENCE STREET IN THE OLD TOWN BLUFFTON HISTORIC DISTRICT.

SO NEIGHBORHOOD GENERAL HDD LOOK AT THE MAP ON YOUR LEFT SHOWING LOCATIONAL LAWRENCE STREET WITH THE ZONING MATTER TO RIGHT CURRENT CONDITIONS THIS IS THE HOUSE AS IT STANDS ON LAWRENCE STREET FROM THE FRONT DRIVEWAY THROUGH THAT CARPORT IN THE BACK IS WHERE THE NEW CARRIAGE HOUSE IS PROPOSED PROPOSED OF THE CARRIAGE HOUSE YOU'LL SEE THE ELEVATIONS AND THE FLOORPLANS ON THIS SLIDE TO CONSIDER THE REVIEW CRITERIA SET FORTH IN SECTION 318 THREE OF THE YOUDO WHEN ASSESSING AN APPLICATION FOR A SECOND HAVE APPROPRIATENESS FURTHERMORE YOU CAN APPROVE THE APPLICATION SUBMITTED OR APPROVED WITH CONDITIONS OR DENY THE APPLICATION SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT FOR THE PROPOSED ELEVATIONS. WE DO HAVE A COUPLE OF THINGS WE WANT TO POINT OUT THAT YOU WILL HAVE TO ADDRESS THIS EVENING UNDER SECTION 515 SIX EACH WILL NEED ADDITIONAL INFORMATION TO PROVIDE AND TO ENSURE THE PORCH COLUMNS ARE PERMITTED SPATIAL CONFIGURATION AND IN THE STREETS ARE PERMITTED MATERIAL ON THE LEFT SIDE ELEVATION WHICH IS TOP LEFT YOU'LL THAT PORCH CONFIGURATION OUT THE BACK IT DOES NOT APPEAR THAT IT MEETS THOSE STANDARDS FOR EIGHT BY SIX IS THAT CORRECT? AS FAR AS CENTER TO CENTER CENTER OF CENTER RIGHT. SO JUST AS A NOTE BECAUSE IT'S CENTER AND NOT EDGE TO EDGE CENTER THE CENTER. THAT'S RIGHT. SO THAT'S THAT'S ONE OF THE ITEMS YOU'LL HAVE TO LOOK AT 515 SIX. SO I'M JUST I'M JUST NOTING THAT TOO IF SOMEONE MAKES A MOTION OF TWO TO KNOW THAT INFORMATION, THAT'S WHERE

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ADDITIONAL INFORMATION MUST BE PROVIDED TO ENSURE THAT THE WINDOW OPERATION IS A PERMITTED CONFIGURATION IN THE DRAWINGS AND FRONT ELEVATION CENTER AND THE ELEVATION ON THE RIGHT TOP YOU KNOW THOSE VIOLATIONS THOSE WINDOWS DEPICTED AS CASEMENT WINDOWS ON THE FLOOR PLANS THAT DRAWN IN AS SLIDERS WHICH ARE NOT PERMITTED. SO WE'LL NEED TO JUST FOR INFORMATION ABOUT THE OPERATION OF THE NOTICE WHICH ONES WERE THOSE YOU'RE SHOWING THE WINDOWS ALL OF THOSE. OKAY, THANK SO ON THE ELEVATIONS ARE ACTUALLY DRAWN IN THE CASE MINUTES ON THE FLOOR PLAN IS DRAWN AND AS SLIDERS 515 6J1 INFORMATION MUST BE PROVIDED YOU SHOULD HAVE THE GUTTERS THAT ARE PERMITTED WE DON'T HAVE THOSE PROFILES AND THEN FINALLY 515 FIVE AND JUST GO BACK YOU GOT THE PROFILE HALF ROUND AT AROUND WHERE THERE'S JUST HALF ROUND JUNE I THINK THERE'S WE'RE GOING TO DOUBLE CHECK THAT YES I THINK THERE WAS A THREE PERMITTED THREE PERMITTED AND I'M DRAWING A BLANK NOW I THINK IF IT WAS A IT'S NOT THE KIND OF THING YOU BUY A PLATO'S YOU KNOW GUY THAT'S IN SQUEEZING THEM OUT THAT'S RIGHT THAT I THINK ARE HALF AROUND OR HYDROGENS EXTRUDED MAKE MAKE A SORT OF CONTEMPLATE OVER NOW IT'S MORE BETTER VISUAL ISN'T IT.

I'M SORRY I'M SORRY I CAN'T REMEMBER SYMMETRY SO HERE'S THE SHAPE RECTANGULAR SECTION AND SECTION HALF ROUND THANK YOU. I KNEW THERE WERE THREE BUT AND THEN IN UNDER 515 FIVE AND HALF SEPARATE PERMIT REQUIRED TO DEMOLISH EXISTING WORKSHOP WORKSHOP STRUCTURE SINCE THAT'S THE SPOT WHERE THE NEW CARRIAGE HOUSE IS GOING TO BUILD BE BUILT SO WHEN THEY SUBMIT FOR THAT TWO THEY HAVE TO BRING IT TO THIS BODY. NO SO THAT'S IN ORDER FOR THEM TO DO THAT YOU JUST HAVE TO BRING IT TO RICHARD. YOU DON'T WANT TO ISSUE THE PERMIT DEMOLISH BUT A PERMIT IS REQUIRED. YES.

OKAY. AND IN QUESTION YES, I HAVE A QUESTION ARE MALIANS OR BUTTONS REQUIRED ON WINDOWS THEY'RE SHOWING CASEMENT WINDOWS WITH NO DIVIDER.

SO WINDOWS WOODEN I MEAN BUTTONS SMALL ONES FABRIC MINI AWNINGS SNAP IT ARE PERMITTED THEY'RE NOT RECOMMENDED I MEAN THEY'RE NOT REQUIRED AND THEY OPENLY OR INADVERTENTLY RIGHT THAT IT LOOK REAL NICE IF IT HAD THEM IN IT IS THAT ALL YOU COMMON SENSE DO WE HAVE ALL THE COMMENTS THE APPLICANT IS HERE IF HE IF YOU HAVE ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS ANY COMMENTS I'D LIKE TO PUT A PICTURE THE HOUSE AGAIN FROM THE REPORT FROM STAFF PLEASE STAND UP IN YOUR YOUR NAME AND SENTIMENTS AND THE MICROPHONE PLEASE. THANK YOU.

I'M ROBERT GREGOR. THAT'S MY HOUSE 30 LAST STREET. THANK YOU.

AND TRYING TO BUILD A CARRIAGE HOUSE FOR MY MOTHER IN LAW. SO BASICALLY WE HAVE I DIDN'T KNOW IF I'M FIRST OF ALL I'VE GOT A QUESTION DO I NEED GUTTERS? I DON'T KNOW AND IMPERSONATORS SO OKAY. SECONDLY YOU CAN SEE THE HOUSE IT HAS HORIZONTAL ROLLING WINDOWS. THEY LOOK LIKE CASEMENT WINDOWS. WINDOWS ARE LOUD. OKAY THAT'S MY STYLE.

THAT'S AND ONE OF THE ONE OF THE GUIDELINE WHO'S OUT HERE YOU'RE OUT THE STAR COMMITTEE IS THAT THE HOUSES SHOULD MATCH . I KNOW THAT THOSE WINDOWS ARE NOT EXACTLY WHAT'S PROPOSED. YOU CAN'T EVEN TELL WHETHER THERE ARE CASES OR NOT BUT THAT'S MY STYLE AND I LIKE I THINK IT'S MORE IMPORTANT THINGS MATCH THAN SOMEBODY CAN BARELY SEE THAT 250 FEET WELL THAT MIGHT NOT BE A CASEMENT SO I'M ASKING THE COMMITTEE TO CONSIDER ALLOWING ME TO HORIZONTAL ROLLING WINDOWS. OKAY.

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AND THAT'S THE MEASURE THAT THIS PICTURE HERE IS THAT YOU WERE ABLE TO FIND SOMETHING THAT MATCHES THOSE. YEAH, I WAS GOING TO USE THOSE SAME WINDOWS PRETTY MUCH AND I OBJECT THE CARRIAGE HOUSE WILL MATCH IT EXCEPT FOR THE ROOF WHICH WILL BE A LITTLE BIT GREATER BECAUSE THAT'S NOBODY WANTS TO PUT 312 ON A TWO STOREY HOUSE BUT OTHERWISE ALL THE DETAIL MAKE IT IS ABOUT ONE QUESTION YOU IN YOUR LETTER YOU ALSO REQUEST FOR BALANCE TO MATCH THE EXISTING YES THAT THIS PLACE HAS VINYL SOFFIT AGAIN TO MATCH IT IT'S MY OFFICE OKAY I WAS SAMPLES IT LOOKS LIKE BOARD ON BOARD BUT IT'S NOT A GATE YOU'LL NEVER GET THE SAME DETAIL OF WOOD YOU CAN'T REALLY TELL THE DIFFERENCE.

SO THOSE WERE THE TWO EXCEPTIONS I WAS ASKING BECAUSE WE HAVE A WE BASED THAT LISTING GUIDELINES ONE SAYS MATCH THE HOUSE ONE SAYS THAT VINYL IS NOT THIS DISALLOWED OKAY YOU KNOW IT'S NOT RECOMMENDED BUT IT'S NOT DISALLOWED THE WINDOWS ARE I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'RE NOT ALLOWED OR NOT RECOMMENDED BUT IT'S HARD TO SAY NOT TO MATCH THE WINDOWS WHEN YOU CAN'T TELL THEIR BASEMENTS OR ROLLERS SO I'M ASKING FOR THOSE TWO THINGS ARE FORGIVENESS THE PLACES 250 FEET FROM THEM FROM THE ROAD BEHIND THE CARPORT I DON'T THINK ANYBODY'S LISTENING DOES ANYONE HAVE COMMENT ON THAT OR FEELING THAT I GET THE I DON'T KNOW THE EXACT LANGUAGE BUT I DON'T THINK IT'S MATCHING I THINK IT'S JUST COMPLEMENTING OR CONTINUING THE IS THAT EXACT MATCHING WE GOT TO MAKE THE GET EXACT SECTION BUT THERE IS ONE THAT THE CARRIAGE HOUSE SHOULD HAVE CHARACTERISTIC SIMILAR SIMILAR TO THE MAIN HOUSE THAT IS IN THE YOUDO YEAH.

AND SO WE'VE GOT OUT OF THE GARDEN IN THIS CARRIAGE HOUSE IT MUST BE THE SAME GENERAL ACT PRIMARY STATION THE ROOF MATERIALS WINDOW PROPORTIONS ON ALL ITEMS MUST BE THE SAME TO ENSURE THE SAME WHICH SECTION IS THAT JUST I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU MEAN BY CAPE OKAY I'M JUST IF SOMEONE'S MAKING A MOTION IF THEY WANT TO INCLUDE SECTION BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH AND THE THAT WE MAY BE ACCEPTING THAT THAT WOULD BE I APPRECIATE THAT AND SIR WHAT WHAT MATERIAL IS DECIDING ON THAT IT A PARTY PLANK BEATING A BEATEN BEVEL ON THE HOUSE AND RESETTLEMENT THE SO REPLICATING THE SAME FACE TO DETAIL IS THE SAME SIDE IN DETAILS ABSOLUTELY THE WINDOW TRIM IS A PERIOD OF TWO BY FOUR WITH A LITTLE ROUNDED DETAIL SAME AS THE CORNERS I HAVE THE CORNERS HAS A BAND ON BOARD AND DRIP TREATED AND WE'LL MATCH EVERYTHING TO THE SAME.

THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. YES. THE SECTION THAT YOU REQUESTED YOU HAVE TO PAINT IT SAYS MUST BE OF THE SAME GENERAL CHARACTERS MEMORY STRUCTURE AND THIS IS JUST THE THAT IS SECTION OF CARE HOUSES IN THIS CASE THE MEMORY 1958 THIS IF A PERSON IS SO DESIRED TO MAKE A MOTION IF THEY COULD NOTE THAT IF THEY ARE MAKING A MOTION TO APPROVE THE VARIANCE HERE. AND WITH THAT BEING SAID I AM LOOKING FOR A MOTION I THINK THE ONLY THING OF THE COMMENT SO SAYING THAT WE HAVEN'T REALLY TALKED ABOUT OR THAT THE COLUMN SPACING THINK RIGHT OH SORRY. OH WE JUST WE HAVEN'T DISCUSSED AGAIN THE PLANS GO TO THE ARCHITECT AND BACK AND FORTH I KNOW THAT I'VE CHANGED THE MAIN COLUMNS UNDER THE HOUSE ARE DEFINITELY EIGHT BY EIGHT CONCRETE WITH THE STUCCO STUCCO OYSTER SHELL FINISH WHICH IS WHAT WAS SUGGESTED THE COLUMNS OF THE PORCH I HAVE IS I THINK EIGHT BY EIGHT TREATED BLOCK AND THAT WOULD BE I THINK THE THE SEVEN THAT WOULD BE ONE OF THE COMMENTS WAS JUST ON PERMITTED MINUTE IMPERIAL WHICH THAT SOUNDS LIKE IT IS THE MAIN THING WAS THE SPACING OF IT BECAUSE THAT HEIGHT OF THE THAT FLOOR WAS AND A HALF FEET THE SPACING WAS A LITTLE BIT WIDER I MEAN THERE HAD BEEN SOME SECTIONS IN THE PAST BUT DO YOU IS THERE A PARTICULAR REASON WHY YOU HAVE THE LONGER YOU WANTED TO PUT ANOTHER POST IN THERE. YEAH THAT'S NOT THAT'S NOT GOING TO AFFECT MY LIFE THAT ONE THAT'S TALLER THAN ONE YOU KNOW YOU KNOW IN OTHER WORDS IS THAT A FOUR POST YOU LOOK LIKE POST SOMETHING OR YOU WANT WIDER POST? NO, IT'S CENTER TO CENTER.

SO WOULD THE POST BE FURTHER APART FROM HEIGHT FROM THE BOTTOM OF THE PORCH? SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT LOOKS RECTANGULAR THIS WAY INSTEAD OF THAT WAY VERTICAL YOU GOT

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LET'S JUST SAY YOU HAVE A TEN FOOT HEIGHT AT THE BOTTOM OF THE PORCH THE COLUMNS CAN'T BE ANY FURTHER THAN TEN FEET. OKAY SENATOR SENATOR WELL, I DON'T THINK I WANT MINE ANY FURTHER. MORE THAN EIGHT FEET. IS THAT OKAY? IT IT DEPENDS ON THE DISTANCE. WHAT'S THE RIGHT RIGHT NOW? THE ONE I THINK I THINK IT'S JUST THE LEFT SIDE ELEVATION SOME OF THAT AT THERE TEN FEET AND THEY'RE THERE TEN FEET.

THERE ARE TWO. OH YES. SO AS OPPOSED TO I THINK YOUR OTHER ELEVATIONS ARE FINE SO IT'S JUST THAT SO IT'S I MEAN ONE WAY TO FIX IT WOULD BE ADD A POST IN THE CENTER OR IF YOU WANTED TO DECREASE THAT PORCH BAY I WOULDN'T I THINK HAVING A POST IN THE MIDDLE OF THE MINE I DO AND YOU'RE RIGHT I USUALLY THINK GO THERE AND IT WASN'T BUILT TO EIGHT FEET IS GENERALLY WHAT WE DO AS SPACE SO I TEND TO THINK THAT'S SIMILAR EVEN THOUGH I'M SURE THEY ARCHITECT WOOD BEAMS AND YES I CAN ADD A POST ON EACH SIDE WITH THE LEFT SIDE AND THAT WOULD PROBABLY GO FOR THE RIGHT.

YES. YEAH SO THAT BE JUST AGAIN SOMETHING ADDED TO THE MOTION BACK BUT THAT GREAT CACHE THANK YOU. ANY OTHER DISCUSSIONS ON THIS QUESTION. YES. SO I UNDERSTAND YOU HAVE TO COME FORWARD AND SPEAK TO THE MICROPHONE. EVERYONE CAN HEAR IT.

PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME. HI, I'M CATHERINE HARVEY. I OWN THE PROPERTY ON 80 BRIDGE STREET AND HIS PROPERTY ABANDONED MY PROPERTY THAT'S ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE TIDAL CREEK AND I'M NERVOUS ABOUT BEING UP HERE FOR LOTS OF REASONS BUT WE HAVE HAD SOME WITH THE WEATHER, THE PROPERTY AND WITH THINGS BEING ON MY PROPERTY THAT BELONG TO HIM.

AND SO WE NOTICED IN APPLICATION THAT THERE WAS NO SURVEY DONE AND THERE WAS A PICTURE FROM A VERY OLD SURVEY AND WE WERE GOING TO WE WERE WONDERING IF WE COULD REQUEST THAT A CURRENT SURVEY BE DONE BECAUSE APPARENTLY FROM EVERYTHING THAT OUR EXPERIENCE AND HE'S NOT CLEAR ON WHERE THE PROPERTY LINES ARE AND WE'VE GONE OVER IT WE'VE HAD THE SURVEY DONE TWICE NOW AND EACH TIME THE THE DISAPPEAR SO WHICH IS WHY WE ENDED UP HAVING TO IT DONE AGAIN WE WE FEEL AS THOUGH IF SOMEONE IS GOING TO CHANGE SOMETHING IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT WHICH CARE DEEPLY ABOUT AND I DESIGNED MY HOME AND I DESIGNED IT SO THAT IT LOOKS OLD AND PEOPLE AND COME IN AND THEY SAY WAIT A MINUTE THIS ISN'T A NEW HOUSE IT FEELS LIKE AN OLD HOUSE FROM THE OUTSIDE AND. THAT COMES FROM MY EXPERIENCE OF BEING ON THE HISTORIC BOARD AND WHERE I USED TO LIVE BUT FEEL LIKE MIKE MY BIG CONCERN IS THAT THE THINGS THAT ARE ON EITHER MY PROPERTY OR HIS PROPERTY OR WHEREVER IT IS AND WE STILL BELIEVE THAT IT INCLUDES OUR PROPERTY ALTHOUGH JUST NOT MEANT TO HAPPEN THERE SHOULD REALLY CONFORM AND MY CONCERN FOR THIS HISTORIC WORD IS THAT IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT THAT WE'VE IN A STEP OF SOMETHING BECAUSE IT MATCHES SOMETHING THAT'S CURRENT.

SO WE'RE NOT GOING WE'RE NOT STEPPING BACKWARDS IN TERMS OF MEANS MAKING EVERYTHING LOOK BEAUTIFUL AND JUST YOU KNOW, MY HOPE IS THAT THINGS WILL BE ACCEPTED BECAUSE THEY MATCH SOMETHING THAT'S OLD AND AND NOT AS ATTRACTIVE OR ACCEPTABLE AND THIS HISTORIC DISTRICT AND I WOULD REQUEST THAT THE BOARD TO GET A CURRENT SURVEY OF THE PROPERTY THERE IS A LOT OF STUFF THAT I'M NOT SURE IF THAT'S EVEN JUST SELLING INTO PRIVACY OF THE HPC SURVEYS BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW IF WE'VE EVER REALLY ANY SURVEYS WHO WOULD THAT FALL UNDER THAT LOOKS LIKE SO YES PLEASE THANK YOU AND AS A AS I TYPICALLY BECAUSE I OUT A BUSINESS HERE AS COUNSEL FOR THE HPC SO THE QUESTION YOU'RE ASKING IS ABOUT WHAT IS YOU KNOW WHAT IS YOUR REVIEW CRITERIA AND YOU CAN TAKE IN PUBLIC COMMENT INTO YOUR CONSIDERATION THE REVIEW CRITERIA ONE OF THOSE CRITERIA IS CONFORMITY WITH THE APPLICATIONS MANUAL AND CORRECT

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ME I'M GOING TO DEFER TO STAFF ON THIS ONE. BUT IN REVIEWING THE APPLICATION AND THE APPLICATIONS MANUAL, I WOULD IMAGINE THAT BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO MAKE DETERMINATIONS WITH SIDE SETBACKS AND OTHER SETBACKS THAT YOU ARE REQUIRED TO RELY ON THE OPINION OF THE SURVEYOR OR AN ENGINEER OR WHOEVER PRESENTED THE MATERIAL TO YOU. SO I DON'T THINK THAT THERE IS NECESSARILY A REQUIREMENT THAT A SURVEY OF A CERTAIN DATE BE SUBMITTED ALONG WITH THE APPLICATION AGAIN I'LL DEFER STAFF ON THAT BUT AS WHETHER SATISFIED IS ADEQUATE INFORMATION TO RELY UPON IN DETERMINING THE PROPOSED LOCATION IS ON THAT PROPERTY OR IS GOING TO BE WITHIN THE SETBACK REQUIREMENTS IN PARTICULAR IN FACT ON THAT PROPERTY BECAUSE THE COVE THAT RUNS BEHIND IT AND YOU KNOW WE HAVE BY MS. HARVEY'S PROPERTY THERE'S THE SIERRA RAILING HAS AND YOU HAVE THE COVE THAT KIND OF CIRCLES BEHIND IT YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE SOME SORT OF RIVER BUFFER PROTECTION I WOULD ASSUME FROM THE COURTYARD.

SO YOU'VE GOT THE OCR AND PROTECTION LINE SO WOULD AGAIN THIS IS BASED OFF ASSUMPTION AND IT'S NOT IN THE MANUAL ARIZONA APPLICATION THAT WAS SUBMITTED ON FLIPPING THROUGH THEIR BUT I WOULD IMAGINE THAT A SURVEY HAS BEEN EITHER PRIOR TO THE APPLICATION FOR PRIVATE APPLICATION OR WAS BY STAFF BUT I WILL DEFER TO STAFF ON THAT. THAT'S OKAY, MR. CHAIRMAN.

I HOPE THAT ANSWERS THE QUESTION SOMEWHAT. THEY CAN'T PERMIT IT'S NOT WITHIN SET. THAT'S RIGHT. THAT'S ONE OF THE THAT IS ONE OF THE REQUIREMENTS IS THAT IT MEETS THE THAT IT NEEDS TO YOU AND THE UDR HAS SPECIFIC REQUIREMENTS AS FAR SETBACKS AND BUILDING OKAY WE'RE LOOKING AT THE SETBACKS OF THE BUILDING THAT WE'RE APPROVING AND THAT WE'RE NOT LOOKING AT OTHER ITEMS THAT MAY BE IN CONFLICT.

SO YES WE ARE WE'RE MOVING WHAT WE HAVE IN FRONT OF US AND IT'S THIS PROJECT IF THERE IS A BUILDING THAT'S ALREADY BEEN CONSTRUCTED THAT'S LOCATED OVER THE PROPERTY OR SOMETHING THAT HAS BEEN THAT'S REALLY A A AND SOMEONE LIKE SETTING THIS OR THAT IS A IT'S A NEIGHBOR ISSUE THAT'S AN ISSUE BETWEEN NEIGHBORS. IT NEEDS TO BE RESOLVED THE.

QUESTION IS WHETHER THE APPLICATION SUBMITTED MEETS ALL THE CRITERIA AND WHETHER MEETS ALL THE CRITERIA IS LARGELY DEPENDENT UPON YOUR DISCRETION AND STAFF'S DISCRETION IN REVIEWING THE MATERIALS THAT WERE SUBMITTED. SO IT DOES SOUND LIKE THERE'S QUESTION ABOUT WHETHER THE MATERIALS SUBMITTED WERE ACCURATE OR WHETHER THE SURVEY WAS UP TO DATE ENOUGH FOR YOU ALL TO MAKE THAT SORT OF DETERMINATION AND AGAIN THAT'S AS OUTSIDE OF MY PROFESSION TO DETERMINE WITH THEIR ATTORNEYS CORRECT WHAT THEY CAN COME TO WHAT'S THE DATA THE SURVEY DOING NOW THE SURVEY ACTUALLY MUST BE QUITE OLD BECAUSE IT SHOWS I THINK SURVEY MUST BE QUITE OLD BECAUSE IT SHOWS THE CHICKEN COOPS ON MY PROPERTY AND WE PAY $675 TO HAVE THE CHICKEN COOPS MOVED ON THIS PROPERTY BECAUSE HE SAID THAT HE WAS NOT ABLE TO MOVE THEM. HE HAD HAD KNEE SURGERY AND SOME HELP AND KNEW THERE WAS A LOT OF CONFLICT AND THEY'RE CHICKENS WHO ACTUALLY LIVE IN WHICH SO I MEAN I'M SAYING THAT GLEN THE PROJECT THAT WE HAVE IN FRONT OF US IS MEETING THE SETBACK CRITERIA THAT'S FOR ANNOUNCEMENT THIS BODY IS FORMED OKAY SO I'M QUESTIONING YOU'RE RELYING ON A SURVEY THAT ISN'T CURRENT SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT CONCERNS YOU OR NOT BUT IT'S CLEAR AND AND THIS IS A CURRENT SURVEY HE HAVE IT BOTH WAYS YOU CAN HAVE A SURVEY SHOW WHICH IS CHICKEN COOPS ON MY ROTARY AND LEAVE THEM THERE AND ACTUALLY IT IS I GUESS IT'S PERHAPS NOT THE RIGHT VENUE, CORRECT. OKAY.

YEAH AND THE REVENUE WOULD BE AN ATTORNEY. WELL I DON'T THE ANSWER FOR THAT BUT IT JUST SOUNDS LIKE IT'S OUTSIDE THE NORMAL IT SO I THINK AND ASKING THAT IT BE MOVED BUT WE DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE I DON'T THINK WE'RE THE AUTHORITY TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION SO I THINK YOU KNOW OUR AUTHORITY GIVEN TO US BY THE CITY COUNCIL IS TO APPROVE PROJECTS THAT ARE QUICKLY AHEAD OF US ARE ENORMOUS SEE THAT IT MEETS THE UDALL REQUIREMENTS REGARDLESS OF SETBACK IN CONSTRUCTION SO IT'S NOT OKAY SOMETHING UNFORTUNATELY WAS BROUGHT UP BY THE DISCUSSION YOU HAVE SO I DON'T BELIEVE THAT WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO ANSWER THIS WAY RETALIATION AGAIN FOR I'M JUST ASKING THAT SOMETHING DONE THAT SHOULD BE

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DONE WHEN YOU WANT SOMETHING SO FAST YOU KNOW IT IS IN THIS INSTANCE YOU'RE TASKED WITH YOU APPROVING THE PROJECT BASED ON THE SETBACKS FROM THE PROPERTY LINES WHERE.

THE NEW BUILDING IS BEING PROPOSED TO BE PLACED SO IT THOSE REQUIREMENTS.

OKAY THANK YOU RICHARDSON AND YOU HAVE SOMETHING ELSE TO ADD JUST THAT IS INTENDED TO TAKE IN PUBLIC COMMENT OBVIOUSLY IT'S ENCOURAGED AND THANKFUL FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE GETTING IN PARTICULARLY IN THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTY OWNERS BECAUSE MORE PUBLIC IS OBVIOUSLY TENDS TO CREATE A BETTER PROJECT, BETTER OUTCOME FOR THE ENTIRE AND SO JUST THE FAMOUS ORDER OF COMING IN AND SPEAKING IT MR. CHAIRMAN, I YOU'RE RIGHT IN THE EXTENT THAT YOU AUTHORITY IS VERY LIMITED AND CAN'T RESOLVE DISPUTES BETWEEN NEIGHBORS UNLESS THAT DISPUTE INVOLVES THAT NEW THEN MAYBE SOMEONE IN IT LIKE WE HAVE WITH CONCERNS ABOUT SOUND OR LIGHT INTRUSION THINGS OF THAT OF THAT TYPE OF NATURE BUT AS LONG AS STAFF AND THE COMMISSION ADEQUATELY CONVINCED THAT THE SETBACKS WILL BE ME WILL BE MET AND THAT THE SURVEY IS ACCURATE ENOUGH TO RELY UPON THAT INFORMATION OBVIOUSLY I THINK AN UP DATE SURVEY IS PREFERABLE BUT IF AND I DON'T THINK WE HAVE A NEGATIVE ON THAT SURVEY BUT WE DO AND I'M SURE IT CAN BE PROVIDED WITH THE AFRICAN WANT TO STEP FORWARD IT LOOKS LIKE YOU HAVE SOMETHING IN YOUR HAND BUT THAT HAS TO BE I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO PRESENT TO US BUT I DON'T I DON'T I DON'T THINK I SHOULD EVEN ADDRESS LITTLE TO I GUESS ALL WE'RE ADDRESSING IS SURVEY SO HERE'S A SURVEY DONE BY TEAM SQUARE. I DON'T THAT'S NEVER STATED IT WAS THAT THE SURVEY THAT YOU SUBMITTED TO YOUR AND ALL I CARE ABOUT IS THIS IS THE SURVEY YOUR APPLICATION WAS THAT YOU ATTACHED TO YOUR APPLICATION AND SO MY PIECE WITHIN THE LAST YEAR YOUR APPLICATION THAT INFORMATION AND THAT'S ALL THAT THIS BODY NEEDS TO KNOW IT'S ALL ORIGINAL AND THEN THE BLOW UP FROM THE ARCHITECT THINK IT'S THE DANGEROUS THREE NOW 20 OKAY IN THE SENSE THAT IN THE DATE IS THE ONE'S DONE BY THE ARCHITECT THE DRAWING IS DONE BY MR. HERE YES WHICH IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S PROBABLY OVERLAID ON AN EXISTING SURVEY AN EXISTING SURVEY I THINK IS THE QUESTIONS ABOUT HOW TO DO THAT.

YEAH WITH THAT BEING SAID I THINK WE MADE SOME COMMENTS CREATING EMOTIONS ANYONE ABLE TO CREATE A MOTION FOR THIS PLEASE DO WE HAVE PRECEDENT FOR THE WINDOWS ON THE SIDING? I THINK THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION BUT. I THINK WHAT YOU NEED TO DO IN REGARDS TO THAT IS THAT'S WHY I WAS LOOKING FOR THAT PARTICULAR AREA THAT WAS BEING DISCUSSED IN WEST YOUR BEST BROUGHT FORWARD THE PRECEDENT IS SAYING WE HAVE APPROVED OTHER THINGS THAT SAY BECAUSE OF THE EXISTING LOCATION OR THE EXISTING BUILDING OR THE WHAT'S PRESENT IS THAT THAT'S WHY WE'RE GOING TO APPROVE IT. WE'RE NOT JUST APPROVING IT NILLY FOR EVERYONE TO START PUTTING THE SLIDER IN IS THAT PRETTY MUCH GLEN CHARLOTTE I MEAN IS THAT SO JUST CHECKING TO MAKE SURE SO ON THE SCREEN OF SOME PROPOSAL SOME LANGUAGE THAT YOU MIGHT WANT TO USE TO HELP CRAFT MOTION TO MOVE FORWARD I'M LOOKING YOU KNOW SOMETIMES I'M JUST SAYING BUT KATIE DOES SOMETIMES YOU KNOW, AS LONG SHE KIND OF PUTS IN RED MARKS ON THE MOTION THAT WAS PUT FORWARD SO I CAN MAKE AN ATTEMPT TO DO THAT BUT I'M NOT MAKING GUARANTEES THIS EVENING . OKAY.

I DO WANT TO CLARIFY IS IS VINYL SIDING OR SOMETHING LISTED AS A ALLOWABLE A NON ALLOWABLE MATERIAL EXTERIOR MATERIAL WITHIN OUR STANDARDS IS LOOKING FOR PARITY FOR 1/2.

IT'S ALL RIGHT. SO ACCORDING TO THE VIDEO VIDEO FACADES ROOFS ON WOOD PLYWOOD,

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ALUMINUM ARE NOT PERMITTED MATERIALS FOR SOFFIT OR CORNICE DETAILING.

THE VULNERABILITY IT DOESN'T SEEM VIABLE SO IT'S UP TO AND IT'S NOT SPECIFICALLY ALLOWED IT'S NOT SPECIFICALLY DENIED. DENIED. OKAY.

THANK YOU. THE FASCIA IT'S ON THE EXISTING HOUSE THE FASCIA BOARD IS THEN THE FASCIA IS AN EXISTING HOUSE WHITE ALUMINUM WHICH WHICH I CHANGED BECAUSE I KNOW IT WOULDN'T ALLOW IT AND CAN BE COMPLEMENTED PAINTED WHITE AND YOU WON'T BE ABLE TO TELL THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE HOUSES IF I REPLACED THE SOFFIT WITH SOMETHING DIFFERENT IT'LL STICK OUT. BUT THE CURRENT HOUSE HAS FACIAL FASCIA.

YEAH I KNOW BUT I'LL RECREATE THE BASEMENT YEAH YEAH EXACTLY AND I'LL RECREATE THE LOOK BY HAVING PAINT FASCIA BUT I HAVE THE SAME DETAIL ON THE FASCIA. ALL RIGHT.

I'M NOT STEPH OR HIS I'M NOT FOLLOWING YOUR WHAT YOU GOING TO WHAT MATERIAL YOU'RE USING FOR THE FASCIA IF I MAY BRUCE. YES. TYPICALLY WITH A VINYL HOUSE OR A VINYL SOFFIT YOU'RE NOT USING WOOD FOR THE ACTUAL FASCIA BOARD THAT RUNS UP THE RATE.

IT'S IT'S TYPICALLY IT'S THE MATERIAL ON OF ALUMINUM A PRETTY FINISHED MATERIAL AND THAT'S THAT'S WHAT I WOULD EXPECT INVITING SOFFIT TO GO THE DIRECTION OF CHANGING THE FASCIA MATERIAL TO A WOOD JUST BECAUSE ALUMINUM IS NOT ALLOWED WHY NOT GO THE EXTRA MILE AND JUST GO AHEAD AND PUT A WOOD SOFFIT IN BECAUSE I CAN I CAN CHANGE THE FASCIA AND I STILL HAVE THE SAME DETAIL AND PAINT AWAY AND IT'LL LOOK LIKE THE HOUSE NOBODY WILL GO TELL IT TO WHAT WHAT HAVE TREATED WOOD AND PAINTED OKAY OKAY AND LOOK JUST LIKE THE OTHER ONE YOU WON'T BE ABLE TO TELL UNLESS YOU GOT IN TOUCH IT. YEAH BUT YOU HAVE NO REQUIREMENT TO GO BACK TO YOUR HOUSE AND CHANGE ON YOUR FACE. YOU KNOW WHAT I'M WHAT I'M SAYING IS I CAN MAKE YOU BUILD THIS NEW COTTAGE HOUSE WITH OUT OF A WITHOUT ALUMINUM FASCIA AND PAINT IT AND STILL MATCH THE HOUSE TO THE I BUT IF I CHANGE THE SOFFIT NOTHING'S GOING TO MATCH AND THAT LITTLE BOARD ON BORROWED PATTERN THE MINOR THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING THAT AND I UNDERSTAND YOU'RE SAYING BUT THE EXISTING STRUCTURE IS IT HAS MATERIALS THAT ARE NOT ALLOWED IN THIS STRUCTURE THAT'S GOING TO BE BUILT IT WILL BE SEEN BY YOUR NEIGHBORS EVEN THOUGH IT'S NOT VISIBLE EASILY FROM THE AND IN LARGE FOR SOME OF THE CIRCULATIONS THAT WE HAVE BEFORE US AND THAT WE HAVE TO ABIDE BY OUR FOR THAT PURPOSE.

RENT CONTROL IS NOT DISALLOWED AND WE DO HAVE A GUIDELINE TO MATCH THE HOUSE.

OKAY THAT CHANGED EVERYTHING YOU'VE ASKED ME TO CHANGE JUST TO FULFILL THE GUIDELINES.

NICE GUIDELINES MAKE IT WE WANT TO CLARIFY IT DOESN'T MATCH THE HOUSE YOU HAVE YOU HAVE ALUMINUM FASCIA ON THE HOUSE IF IT DOESN'T MATCH THE HOUSE YOU'RE GOING TO SUBSTITUTE A WOOD FASCIA ON THE CARRIAGE. WHAT DO YOU HAVE THAT HAS THE DRIVEN EDGE AND THE AND THAT PAINT WHITE TO THE EYE LOOK THE YOU KNOW THE FACE OF THE HOUSE YOU'RE PAINTING HOUSE.

NO NO BUT IT'S ALREADY WHITE BUT WHEN I PAINT ALREADY JUST HAPPENED TO BE YEAH I KNOW WHAT IT'S PAINTED WHITE BUT WHEN I'M TO SAME ALUMINUM LOOK TO IT YEAH BUT WHEN I PAINT THOSE OVER HERE WHEN I BUILD THIS OVER HERE TO MATCH IT PAINT IT WHITE NOBODY WILL BE ABLE TO TELL THAT SOME WAY. YEAH AND IT'S AND IT FULFILLS THE GUIDELINES OF NO ALUMINUM SO I'VE GIVEN THAT IN IT DOES STILL ALLOWS ME TO MATCH THE HOUSE OKAY THAT SOUNDS A LITTLE HARDER OKAY THANK YOU. DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE TO ADD? AND STILL I'M LOOKING FOR A MOTION AND DO YOU HAVE ANY RECOMMENDATIONS ON A MOTION DESIGN THROWN UNDER THE BUS BUT MR. CHAIRMAN, AS YOU WELL KNOW, MY BACKGROUND IN HISTORIC ARCHITECTURE IS VERY LIMITED. SO WE WENT INTO SELLING SOFFIT INFORMATION.

I KIND OF SAID WELL I WANT YOU TO EXPLAIN THE BUTTON IN THE MOTION FOR US TO YELL AT YOU.

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FINALLY THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A MODERN EMPLOYED CLASS CARDS I CAN LEARN TO RELIEF PLEASE DO I NEED FOR EVERY OF THESE OR THOSE TERMS MYSELF I SO WE HAVE THE PROPOSED MOTION THERE THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF UNCERTAINTY THAT I STILL HAVE WITH OR OBVIOUSLY I MAY BE WORTHWHILE FOR DISCUSSING MYSELF FOR THE MOMENT AS TO WHAT YOU WANT TO DO ABOUT THE PROPOSED ABOUT SOLVING AND AS MR. SIMPSON POINTED OUT YOU HAVE A PROVISION IN YOUR CODE THAT REQUIRES THE CARRIAGE HOUSE BE IN SUBSTANTIAL CONFORMITY THE ARCHITECTURAL VIEW OR THE LOOK OF THE CARRIAGE TO BE IN SUBSTANTIAL CONFORMITY WITH THE MAIN HOUSE DOESN'T REQUIRE EXACT AN EXACT REPLICA AND THE EXACT MATERIALS TO BE REUSED WHAT WHAT DO YOU HAVE IN THIS CASE IS A REQUEST FOR A DEVIATION FROM THE USE AND A MISMATCHED MATERIAL SO ULTIMATELY IT'S IT'S ON I THINK I NEED LITTLE BIT MORE INFORMATION FROM THE BOARD AS TO HOW YOU'LL BE ABLE TO COMMUNICATION HOW YOU'LL FEEL AND I MIGHT BE ABLE TO FASHION WHAT MY QUESTION ON THAT AGAIN IS PAINTED WHITE FROM THE DISTANCE OR FROM HERE WHITE IS WHITE IF IT'S AN ALUMINUM PAINTED WHITE OR PIECE OF WOOD PAINTED I DON'T BELIEVE I WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO TELL THE DIFFERENCE I MEAN THE STANDARD THAT WE CAN GO BY BUT HE'S NOT USING A WOMAN MEANS USING WHAT'S ALLOWED AND THAT IS THE FINAL WHAT I OR SOMETHING WOULD WORK WITH SO HE'S USING THE BIBLE UNDERNEATH THE WOOD ON THE PATIENT IN THE FRONT SO THAT'S WHY THEY CALL IT FASCIA BASED. SO ONE ONE MORE QUESTION FOR THE CAN WE'RE GOING TO GET TO THE ANSWER TO THIS. I DO WANT CLARIFICATION IN ORDER FOR HIM TO RECEIVE A CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY OR BE ABLE TO CLOSE ON PERMANENT WILL HE NOT HAVE TO PROVIDE AN AS BUILT SURVEY SHOWING THE LOCATION OF THE OF THE CARRIAGE HOUSE THAT'S I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION USUALLY WE'RE REQUIRED TO AND WHEN THAT ASK BILL A SURVEY IS DONE IT WILL IN ESSENCE THAT PROPERTY BE RECEIVING SO THAT YOU KNOW UNDERSTANDING PUBLIC COMMENT THAT THAT GOING TO TAKE CARE OF ITSELF I WOULD SAY I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT FOLLOWING SECTION 15 DASH 5-8- OF WE MOVE TO APPROVE THE APPLICATION PER STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS AND LEAVE IT AT THAT I'LL SECOND IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION FURTHER DISCUSSION THAT IS THAT A CLEAR MOTION IN OTHER WORDS EVERYTHING ELSE THAT WE HAVE LISTED YOU'VE HAD DISCUSSION AND WE WERE TALKING ABOUT SO IT WAS DISCUSSED ABOUT THE GUTTERS AND THE SPACING AND EVERYTHING ELSE SO JUST MAKING SURE SO I'M LOOKING BOTH AND ALL IN FAVOR I THINK I IN THEIR PHOTOS IT LOOKS LIKE WAS APPROVED WITH AN EXTRA MOTION ADDED THANK YOU. THANK YOU IT'S GOOD TO SEE THEM .

I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU AS A PERSON ON THE STREET YOUR HAVE KATIE OAK HAVE ON THIS MOMENT PROBABLY HAVE A ROOM I PLAN ONLY FOR THE REST OF MY LIFE I'M GOING TO MOVE UP IN MY CARRIAGE HOUSE FOR MY MOTHER IN LAW PASSES AND MY SONS CAN LIVE IN MY HOUSE AND I'VE GOT A LOT OF STUFF THERE FROM SECRETS TO FRIVOLITY I LOVE THIS TOWN I RESPECT IT AND I TAKE GOOD CARE WHENEVER BUILD ANYTHING AROUND HERE I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU FOR LISTENING TO ME AND APPROVING MY MY MY EMOTION AND THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

IT'S JUST VERY GOOD YOU YOU KNOW THANK YOU BUT YOU GOT ALL THE NOTES IN CARRY YOU GOT IT

[IX.3. Certificate of Appropriateness - Demolition: A request by Nathaniel Pringle, on behalf of the owner, Daisy B. Pringle, to allow the demolition of the structure of approximately 884 SF located at 12 Dubois Lane in the Old Town Bluffton Historic District and zoned Neighborhood General-HD. (COFA-09-22-017227) (Staff - Glen Umberger)]

AND YOU GOT IT VERY GOOD. IT LOOKS LIKE WE STILL HAVE GLEN YOU ME? SORRY WE'RE. ON TO OUR THIRD OF FIVE. SO JUST FOR THE RECORD FOR THE NEXT TWO ARE ACTUALLY BASICALLY THE SAME APPLICATION. THESE ARE DEMOLITIONS SO YOU'LL HEAR THE SAME THING OVER AND OVER AGAIN. THE NEXT SLIDE IS TWO SEPARATE PROPERTIES THAT ARE PROPERTIES BUT THEY'RE BOTH BACKED BY THE SAME APPLICANT NO DIFFERENT OKAY BUT IN THE SENSE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE SAME CONCEPT. SAME CONCEPT.

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SO I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THE CONCEPT FOR BOTH PROJECTS RIGHT TO COMPLETE DIFFERENT PROJECT BY TWO COMPLETE DIFFERENT APPLICANTS. EXACTLY.

SO THEY'RE JUST RIGHT ON DIFFERENT SOMETHING YOU OKAY THIS IS A PURCHASE OR A DEMOLITION FOR A LOT OF THE DEMOLITION OF THE STRUCTURE OF APPROXIMATELY 884 SQUARE FEET LOOKING AT 12 DUBOIS LANE AND WILL THAT BLOCK IN CERTAIN DISTRICT IS A NEIGHBORHOOD HD YOU'LL SEE ON YOUR LAST AERIAL OF THE PROPERTY ALTERATIONS THE ZONING MAP CURRENT ELEVATION OF THE PROPERTY THIS IS THE THE SUBJECT FROM THE FRONT FROM REAR THE RIGHT ELEVATION AND MORE THE RIGHT ELEVATION LEFT ELEVATION HBC HAS THE SHOPPING CENTER CRITERIA SET FORTH IN SECTION 318 THREE OF THE KNOW DEVELOPMENT ORDINANCE WHEN ASSESSING AN APPLICATION FOR CERTIFICATE APPROPRIATENESS. FURTHERMORE AUTHORIZED TO APPROVE THE APPLICATION SUBMITTED AND APPROVE THE APPLICATION WITH CONDITIONS WERE THE APPLICATION IN THIS CASE THIS IS A NON CONTRIBUTING NON DISORDER STRUCTURE. I CHECKED THE CLIENT REVIEW CRITERIA NOT ELIGIBLE TO BE INCLUDED IN A CONTRIBUTING RESOURCES LISTS SO IT WILL ALWAYS BE FOREVER HEREAFTER A NON CONTRIBUTING HISTORIC STRUCTURE THAT FINDS THAT THE APPLICATION MEETS THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE SECTION 18 THREE AREA UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT ORDINANCE AND RECOMMENDS THAT YOU IMPROVE THE APPLICATION AS WELL AS PRESENTED.

THANK YOU AS THE APPLICANT YOU'RE CAN YOU STEP FORWARD PLEASE.

THANK YOU AND SEE YOUR NAME AND AND AND THIS IS MY FAMILY'S PROPERTY AND WE WILL CARRY ON WE WANT TO DEMOLISH THIS PROPERTY AND PUT OTHER PUT SOMETHING ELSE UP THERE DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY DISCUSSION IN REGARDS TO THIS ANY QUESTIONS? I DON'T BELIEVE SO.

IT LOOKS LIKE I WILL AS OFTEN BECAUSE I WALK DOWN THE STREET AND IT'S GREAT TO SEE SOMETHING HAPPENING THERE THAT'S UH I'M LOOKING FOR A MOTION. I'LL MAKE THE MOTION.

I'M WILLING TO APPROVE THE APPLICATION THE DEMOLITION OF THE STRUCTURE AT 12 DUBOIS LANE I SUBMITTED I'M LOOKING FOR A SECOND THAT COULD YES SIR BUT I HAVE A SECOND.

VERY GOOD. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? IF NOT I'M LOOKING FOR A VOTE ON PAPER I WOULD JUST LIKE UNANIMOUS. THANK YOU, SIR.

[IX.4. Certificate of Appropriateness - Demolition: A request by Kurt Weinberger for a Certificate of Appropriateness - HD to allow the demolition of the structure of approximately 1,882 SF located at 25 Bruin Road in the Old Town Bluffton Historic District and zoned Neighborhood General-HD. (COFA-09-22-017228)(Staff - Glen Umberger)]

SO THE INTENSITY OF THE TABLE WHENEVER YOU HAVE ANOTHER ROUGH ONE TO DO BECAUSE YOU KNOW YOU GOT TO REPEAT YOURSELF. I DO DO. I WANT TO KNOW WHERE I'M WITH MY REPTILES FROM NOW ON I DON'T KNOW BECAUSE WE'RE ALL RIGHT. ITEM NUMBER FOUR THIS IS A REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE JUST FOR A DEMOLITION TO ALLOW THE DEMOLITION OF STRUCTURE OF APPROXIMATELY 880 SQUARE FEET LOOKING AT NUMBER 25 OR ROAD IN THE OLD TEMPLO HISTORIC DISTRICT. SO A GENERAL HD AGAIN AN AERIAL VIEW OF THE PROPERTY ON THE LEFT ZONING MAPS ON THE RIGHT CURRENT FRONT ELEVATION NO REPTILES IN THE PHOTO YET REAR ELEVATION FIVE ON THE LEFT ELEVATION OF THE PROPERTY THE CURRENT RIGHT ELEVATION OF THE PROPERTY AND MORE OF THE RIGHT ELEVATION. SEE AGAIN I'LL CONSIDER REVIEW CRITERIA SET FORTH IN SECTION 318 THREE OF THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT ORDINANCE WHEN ASSESSING AN APPLICATION FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS. FURTHERMORE YOU'RE AUTHORIZED TO TAKE THE FOLLOWING ACTIONS YOU CAN APPROVE THE APPLICATION OF SUBMITTED APPROVE THE APPLICATION WITH CONDITIONS OR DENY THE APPLICATION IS SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT TO THE TOWN CAMP. I FIND THAT THE APPLICATION MEETS THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE YUDO AND THAT THE HPC REVIEW OR TAKE THE APPROPRIATE ACTION. I MEAN AGAIN THIS WAS BUILT IN 77 I THINK SO YES. IT'S NOT EVEN CLOSE 90 PLUS. OKAY, VERY GOOD AND EVEN CAN EVEN REPLACE THE NUMBERS ANY DISCUSSION IN REGARDS TO THIS IS NOT THAN THE APPLICANT THIS IS THE APPLICANT HERE THE APPLICANT IS IN THAT MANNER. NO CITY DOES IT I DON'T KNOW I THOUGHT OKAY IT'S IF THE AFRICAN IS NOT HERE PRESENT ON THEIR BEHALF THE APPLICANT IS

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CONFIDENT THAT IT'S GOING TO GO WELL I THINK OKAY LOOKING VERY GOOD THANK YOU.

I JUST WANT TO CHECK ON THAT BECAUSE I KNOW WE ALWAYS ASK THE AFRICANS HERE IF THEY'RE NOT PUT IT OFF TO THE NEXT TIME. SO BUT WE'RE TO VOTE.

I WASN'T SO I LOOK AT YOUR MOTION I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE APPLICATION TO DEMOLISH THE STRUCTURE 25 BRUTON ROAD AS SUBMITTED WE CAN FOR A SECOND I'LL SECOND ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION AND IF NOT LOOKING FOR A VOTE ON THE FAVOR I OPPOSED IT LOOKS LIKE

[IX.5. Certificate of Appropriateness. A request by William Court, on behalf of the owners, Bo Holland and Susan Soper, for approval of a Certificate of Appropriateness – HD application to allow the construction of a new 2 story Single-Family Residential structure of approximately 2,610 SF and Carriage House of approximately 126 SF located at 6 Wild Spartina Street, Lot 43 of the Tabby Roads Development, in the Old Town Bluffton Historic District and zoned Neighborhood General-HD. (COFA-10-22-017241) (Staff - Glen Umberger)]