Nov 21, 2022 Public Facilities Committee

I NEED, I'M LOOKING FOR AN APPROVAL OF THE, UH, AGENDA.

[4. APPROVAL OF AGENDA]

AGENDA.

SO MOVED THE SECOND.

MR. YORK .

ANY DISCUSSION OR CHANGES? ANY OBJECTION? SEEING NONE, IT STANDS APPROVED WITHOUT

[5. APPROVAL OF MINUTES - October 17, 2022]

OBJECTION.

WE DO HAVE OUR MINUTES FROM, UH, OCTOBER 17TH, AND I TRUST YOU'VE STUDIED THOSE LOOKING FOR A, UH, MOTION TO APPROVE THOSE.

UH, ANY, UH, CHANGES, DISCUSSIONS TO THAT? ANY OBJECTIONS? IF NOT, THEY STAND APPROVED WITHOUT OBJECTION.

THAT TAKES US TO CITIZEN COMMENT.

SARAH, DO WE HAVE ANYBODY THAT'S SIGNED UP TO SPEAK, SIR? NO, SIR.

ANYBODY THAT DOES WANNA SPEAK, THAT'S HERE.

THAT BRINGS US TO OUR UPDATE FROM, UH, JARED.

UH, SEEING NONE.

[7. DIVISION UPDATE FROM ASSISTANT COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR, JARED FRALIX]

ALWAYS ENJOY THAT.

GOOD TO HAVE YOU WITH US, SIR.

THANK YOU, CHAIRMAN RODMAN AND MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE.

SO, AS USUAL, A FEW THINGS TO UPDATE YOU GUYS ON THINGS THAT ARE HAPPENING INSIDE THE INFRASTRUCTURE DIVISION.

UH, SOME OF THE THINGS THAT ARE ALWAYS READY FOR AGENDA APPROVAL, BUT JUST AN UPDATE ON GENERAL THINGS.

ONE OF THE MOST PRUDENT THINGS THAT WE HAVEN'T TALKED ABOUT, IT'S BEEN PRETTY QUIET AS OF LATE AS US 2 78.

UH, QUIET DOESN'T MEAN THAT WE'RE NOT WORKING, IT JUST MEANS WE DON'T HAVE AN ACTION ITEM YET.

UH, HOWEVER, SO ONE THING IS THE INDEPENDENT REVIEW THAT'S KIND OF FRONT AND CENTER.

SO WE HAVE, UH, THAT PROPOSAL OR THAT SOLICITATION OUT RIGHT NOW.

PROPOSALS ARE DUE BACK ON WEDNESDAY, SO WE'LL HAVE A TEAM BETWEEN THE TOWN AND, AND THE COUNTY THAT WILL REVIEW THOSE PROPOSALS.

WE HAD A PRE-PROPOSAL MEETING AND WE HAD FIVE CONSULTANTS ON BOARD.

SO, UM, OUR, OUR HOPE TO HAVE A QUALIFIED CONSULTANT HERE IN THE SHORT TERM IS, UH, STANDS READY.

SO THAT'LL BE COMING TO YOU AS SOON AS WE CAN GET THAT EVALUATED.

AND, UH, A RECOMMENDATION MADE.

UH, ALSO THIS PAST WEEK OR SO, WE HELD A PUBLIC MEETING ON THE BURTON CHURCH PROJECT.

THAT'S TO INCLUDE THE WIDENING AND THE SIDEWALK PROJECTS.

PART OF THE, PART OF THE SIDEWALKS, PART OF THE SALES TAX.

IT WAS A VERY SUCCESSFUL MEETING, HAD A LOT OF GOOD PUBLIC INTERACTION AND WELL SERVED BY COUNTY STAFF.

UM, COUNTY STAFF IS ALSO WORKING ON A ITS MASTER PLAN AS A PROPOSAL TO THE LAPSE COMMITTEE COMING UP IN DECEMBER.

SO THIS IS THE INTELLIGENT TRANSPORTATION SYSTEM.

UH, SO EVERYTHING TO DO WITH SIGNALS AND REMOTE CONNECTION, UM, AND JUST BASICALLY THE FOUNDATION OF ARCHITECT AND, AND TECHNOLOGY FOR NOW AND IN THE FUTURE SO THAT AS WE MOVE THROUGH, AS YOU GET TO INTELLIGENT VEHICLES AND, AND DIFFERENT THINGS, WE'LL HAVE A PLAN IN PLACE AS THOSE THINGS HARASS.

UM, AND THEN LASTLY, INSIDE OF TRAFFIC IS A SIGNAL RE RETIREMENT.

WE HAVE A CURRENT PROJECT WITH CONSULTANT FOR RETIME WITH SIGNALS ALONG BOUNDARY STREET AND REBO STREET REBO, UH, ROAD.

THEY'RE FINISHING UP THE DESIGN ON THAT NOW CURRENTLY AND HOPE TO HAVE SOME IMPLEMENTATION IN EARLY 2023.

SO, UM, IF YOU'VE NOTICED A LITTLE BIT OF CONGESTION HERE AND THERE, UM, THERE'S SOME THINGS THAT WE SUSPECT, MAYBE SOME DETECTION LOOPS THAT AREN'T PICKING UP, AND THAT'LL BE COORDINATED AND CHOREOGRAPHED HERE SHORTLY.

SO HOPEFULLY SOME IMPROVEMENT ALONG THE WAY AS FAR AS PUBLIC WORSE IS CONCERNED.

UM, WE HAD A RECENT BUDGET AMENDMENT, WHICH WE HAD $500,000 PUSHED TOWARDS, UM, BOAT LANDING IMPROVEMENTS.

SO PUBLIC WORKS HAS BEEN WORKING EXPEDITIOUSLY WITH THAT.

A LOT OF THAT IS PUTTING SOME RIP WRAP OUT, UH, TO MAKE SURE WE PROTECT THE SHORELINE, AS WELL AS THE MAINTENANCE ITEMS ON SOME OF OUR, UM, ACTUAL DOCKS AND SUCH.

SO THEY'RE MAKING GOOD PROGRESS ON MAKING THOSE IMPROVEMENTS.

UH, THEY'RE ALSO MAKING PROGRESS ON THEIR YEARLY PREVENTATIVE MAINTENANCE ON OUR TRAFFIC SIGNAL CABINETS, UH, WE HAVE PER D O T HAVE TO GET MAINTENANCE DONE ON ALL THE SIGNALS THAT WE MAINTAIN FOR THE STATE, UM, BY THE END OF APRIL.

AND WE STAND TO BE FULLY, FULLY, UH, COMPLETE BY THE END OF THE YEAR.

SO TRAFFIC MAINTENANCE IS MAKING A GOOD, GOOD PUSH ON THAT.

ALSO, SOME IRRIGATION SYSTEMS AROUND THE ADMIN BUILDING PRICING.

SOME OF THAT WORK GOING ON RECENTLY, THEY'RE JUST FINISHING THAT UP AS WELL AS SOME FALL AND WINTER PLANTING.

SO THE GROUNDS MAINTENANCE IS MAKING SOME GOOD STRIDES ON THEIR CONTINUED MAINTENANCE PLANS.

AND THANKS TO SOME GOOD WEATHER AND A LOT OF HARD WORK BY OUR ROADS AND DRAINAGE CREWS, WE'RE BACK ON TRACK WITH OUR KIND OF SIX WEEK ROTATION ON OUR COUNTY DIRT ROADS AS FAR AS THE GRADING PROCESS.

SO THANKS

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ON THAT FOR ALL THEIR HARD WORK.

AND LASTLY, INSIDE THE AIRPORT, WE'VE HAD TWO GOOD PUBLIC, UH, PARTICIPATION SUCCESSFUL EVENTS AS OF LATE.

ONE WAS OUT AT BEAUFORT EXECUTIVE AIRPORT, OUR ANNUAL FLYING FROG.

THIS WAS THE THIRD YEAR RUNNING.

UH, HAPPY TO REPORT THAT JOHN, OUR AIRPORT DIRECTOR, FINISHED SECOND IN HIS AGE GROUP.

SO THE WAY TO GO, JOHN .

THAT'S RIGHT.

I DON'T THINK HE WAS IN YOUR AGE GROUP THOUGH.

UH, SO, AND WE HAD ABOUT A HUNDRED RACERS TO THAT.

AND AGAIN, THIS WAS THE THIRD ANNUAL AND IT WAS THE END OF A A SERIES.

SO WE TIED IT TOGETHER WITH TWO OTHER RACES IN THE AREA.

SO IT WAS PRETTY SUCCESSFUL, HOPED TO KEEP GAINING MOMENTUM ON THAT.

UH, AND AT HILTON HEAD, IN PARTNERSHIP WITH THE TOWN OF HILTON HEAD, UH, HOSTED THE HILTON HEAD, UH, MOTORING EVENT WITH SOME ACTIVITIES TAKING PLACE THERE AT THE AIRPORT.

IT WAS THE MOST THAT THEY HAD RECORDED OVER 21,000 PEOPLE IN ATTENDANCE TO THAT, THAT EVENT.

SO A VERY SUCCESSFUL EVENT.

I'M GLAD TO BE A PART OF IT.

SO THOSE ARE ALL THE THINGS THAT I HAVE JUST KIND OF UPDATES IN GENERAL, BUT I'M GLADLY TAKE ANY QUESTIONS IF QUESTIONS FOR JARED.

I CAN'T SEE THOSE, THOSE ONLINE VERY WELL.

SO SPEAK UP IF YOU HAVE A QUESTION.

TWO, TWO MATTERS OF BUSINESS.

ONE.

UH, IF YOU RECALL, YOU AND I HAD A DISCUSSION LAST WEEK ABOUT REMOVING AN ITEM FROM THE ORIGINAL AGENDA REGARDING THE T WRIGHT CONTRACT.

UM, I WOULD LIKE FOR YOU ALL TO CONSIDER RECONSIDERING THE MOTION TO APPROVE THE AGENDA TO ADD THAT ITEM.

AND JOHN REMOLD CAN COME UP AND EXPLAIN THAT TO YOU, UH, ABOUT THE SENSITIVITY OF THAT ISSUE.

UH, DELAYING THAT ITEM TODAY WILL DELAY OUR WORK ON DOING THE TERMINAL EXPANSION.

AND I UNDERSTAND YOUR CONCERN, BUT I THINK MR. REMOLD HAS SOME INFORM FROM SOME ADDITIONAL INFORMATION.

UH, SECOND ITEM BEFORE WE GET TOO FAR IN THE AGENDA, UH, BECAUSE I'M GONNA HAVE TO LEAVE TODAY RIGHT AT FIVE O'CLOCK.

IF WE GO PAST THAT, WE'RE NOT GONNA GO BACK.

I DO WANT TO, UH, UH, SAY THANK YOU.

THIS IS YOUR, AS I UNDERSTAND IT, YOUR LAST PFC PFC MEETING AS CHAIRMAN OF THE, OF THE, UH, PUBLIC FACILITIES MM-HMM.

COMMITTEE.

I'VE ENJOYED WORKING WITH YOU.

I THINK OUR STAFF HAS ENJOYED WORKING WITH YOU.

YOU'RE GOING TO LEAVE A BIG HOLE, UH, COMING UP IN JANUARY ON THE COUNCIL AND ON THIS COMMITTEE.

AND I JUST WANTED, UH, THANK YOU AND, UH, WISH YOU WELL.

WELL, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

SO, UH, TO THE, UH, OKAY, SO I'LL GO BACK TO THE AGENDA.

I LOOK FOR A MOTION TO APPROVE THE AGENDA RELATIVE TO A CONTRACTUAL AMOUNT FOR TALT BRIGHT RELATIVE TO THE AIRPORT.

AND WE WOULD NEED A TWO-THIRDS IDEA OF A MOTION FIRST.

NO, YOU, YOU, YOU GET, WE JUST NEED TO SAY IT AS MAKE A MOTION TO RECONSIDER THE PREVIOUS MOTION TO APPROVE THE AGENDA.

UH, TO ADD THAT ITEM.

SO A, A MOTION TO APPROVE OR RECONSIDER APPROVE THE, UH, AGENDA.

I MADE THE MOTION.

I WILL MAKE THIS MOTION.

AND SECOND, YOU, YOU OKAY WITH THAT? YES, SIR.

I SECOND.

UM, IS THERE ANY OBJECTION TO THAT? WITHOUT ANY OBJECTION? THEN WE WILL, UH, TAKE THAT, CUZ IF IT DOES REQUIRE TWO-THIRDS, BUT WE'RE THERE WITH YOU NOW.

SO NOW WE HAVE TO REAPPROVE THE AGENDA.

NOW, NOW WE HAVE TO RERO THE AGENDA.

ADDED ITEM, WHICH WILL BE ITEM NUMBER.

UH, WE'LL DO IT AS PART OF JOHN'S, UH, 10 THROUGH 12.

SO, UM, WITH THAT, WE ARE NOW DOWN TO, NO, WE HAVE TO VOTE.

WE HAVE TO APPROVE THE AMENDED AGENDA.

I APOLOGIZE.

IS THERE A MOTION? YOU'VE ALREADY APPROVED IT, RIGHT? SECONDED.

ANY OBJECTION? NO OBJECTION.

THE AGENDA AS APPROVED AND MODIFIED IS NOW APPROVED.

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THEY HAVE A FORMULA OF 13 ITEMS THAT THEY HAVE TO FOLLOW TO, TO, FOR DECISION POINT ON WHAT ROUTES THEY'RE GONNA SPEND THEIR MONEY ON.

WELL, IT'S ALWAYS GREAT TO HAVE CRAIG GORDON WITH US, AND HE'S GOT TO KINDA UPDATE US ON, UH, OUR ROADS.

AND AS HE'S, UH, YOU GONNA INTRODUCE HIM? OKAY.

YEAH, I I'LL INTRODUCE THIS AND THEN CRAIG, CRAIG CAN GET INTO IT.

AND THEN, UM, AND THEN THE NEXT ONE IS, IS SEPARATE.

SO THIS IS THE FIVE YEAR, UM, SECONDARY RESURFACING.

UM, ERIC ASKED THE QUESTION ABOUT WHAT ARE WE DOING WITH THIS? AND I WAS LIKE, WELL, IT'S SOMETHING THAT D O T IS MANDATED, BUT BEFORE WE GET INTO IT, UH, I GIVE CREDIT THE CHAIRMAN GORDON OF CTC, UM, LIVING BY THE QUOTE FROM WAYNE GRETSKY ABOUT SKIING WHERE THE PUCK IS GOING, NOT WHERE IT'S BEEN.

UM, BECAUSE THIS WAS SOMETHING THAT CTC AND CHAIRMAN GORDON LED AND ASKED STAFF TO LOOK AT.

UM, THE SECONDARY ROADS ARE OBVIOUSLY ALL OWNED BY D O T.

WHY ARE WE WORKING ON THEIR ROADS? UM, AND COMING UP WITH A PLAN, THEY HAD ALREADY STARTED ALLOCATING SOME FUNDS TO, UM, LOW ADT ROADS OUT OF THEIR REQUIRED

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33%.

UM, SO THEY WANTED TO TAKE THIS INITIATIVE ON.

AND THEN ABOUT THE SAME TIME, D O T SAID, OKAY, WE'RE PUTTING MORE FUNDING TO CTCS, UH, IN THE TUNE ABOUT $150 MILLION.

SO OUR ALLOCATION AT BEAUFORT CTC WAS ROUGHLY 5 MILLION.

UH, AND THEN LATER THEY SAID, OH, WE WANT YOU TO SPEND IT ALL ON SECONDARY ROADS.

SO, BECAUSE THEY WERE ALREADY MOVING IN THAT MOTION, UH, IT JUST HAPPENED TO CATCH THIS JUST AT THE RIGHT TIME.

AND AGAIN, I GIVE CREDIT TO CHAIRMAN GORDON AND THE REST OF THE CTC FOR THAT INITIATIVE.

SO THIS IS SOME WORK, UM, ON THAT, AND HE CAN EXPLAIN THAT A LITTLE BIT FURTHER AS WELL AS INVITE OUR CONSULTANT A AND T AND RICHARD TURNER, WHO WAS DOING THAT WORK FOR US.

SO CHAIRMAN GORDON, ALWAYS GOOD TO HAVE, UH, CRAIG WITH US.

AND HE'S DONE SOME OUTSTANDING WORK FOR THE STATE, WHICH HAS BEEN ADOPTED BY S C B O T.

AND HE'S ALSO A, UH, RETIRED CORPS OF ENGINEERS.

SO COLONEL, GOOD TO HAVE YOU WITH US.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

I APPRECIATE BEING HERE.

I THOUGHT IT WOULD BE IMPORTANT IF WE KIND OF DIGRESS AND LOOKED BACK AT WHAT, HOW WE GOT TO THIS POINT.

IF YOU RECALL, EIGHT YEARS AGO, UH, STATE LEGISLATURE HAD A, UH, MADE A BIG DECISION WHERE THEY NO LONGER WOULD ALLOW THE DELEGATIONS TO APPOINT MEMBERS TO THE CTC.

THEY TURN AROUND AND NOW ALLOW EACH OF THE DISTRICTS TO BE REPRESENTED AND HAVE A DISTRICT REPRESENTATIVE ON THE CTC.

WE ALL REPORTED, AND THIS IS COMING TO THE END OF OUR SEVENTH YEAR, AND I THOUGHT IT WOULD BE IMPORTANT ALSO TO KIND OF LOOK AT, SEE WHAT WE'VE ACCOMPLISHED OVER THAT PERIOD OF TIME.

WELL, BEAUFORT COUNTY NEVER ANALYZED THE ROADS, NEVER HAD A HISTORY OF 'EM, HAD NEVER MAPPED THEM, HAD NEVER HAD NOTHING WAS DONE ON 'EM WHATSOEVER.

WE WENT OUT AND CONSULTED AN ENGINEERING FIRM ALONG WITH A FIRM THAT WOULD COME IN AND ANALYZE OUR ROADS.

ALL OUR ROADS, THE 200 PLUS MILES OF BEAUFORT COUNTY OWNED ROADS WERE ANALYZED.

AND WITH THAT, ONE OF THE THINGS WE'VE OPERATED ON FROM DAY ONE IS WE DIDN'T WANT POLITICS TO BE INVOLVED IN OUR DECISION MAKING PROCESS.

WE WANTED TO DO IT ANALYTICALLY.

THE MAJORITY OF US ARE ENGINEERS.

THAT'S THE WAY WE OPERATE, AND THAT'S THE WAY WE PROCEEDED.

SO WE HIRED AN ENGINEERING FIRM AND WE COME UP WITH A FIVE YEAR PLAN, AND WE'VE HAD A VERY SUCCESSFUL FIVE YEAR PLAN.

BUT IT'S VERY INTERESTING TO LOOK BACK AT 2017, WE HAD 1.58 MILES OF VERY POOR ROADS, AND IN THE OPPOSITE SIDE, WE HAD ZERO ON VERY GOOD.

SO THERE WAS A BIT OF AN AREA FOR IMPROVEMENT IN ALL THIS.

SO WHAT BASICALLY PASSED IS WE PUT OUR FIVE YEAR PROGRAM IN PLACE, VERY SUCCESSFUL.

WE, AGAIN, APPROVED FUNDS AND PUT ANOTHER FIVE YEAR PROGRAM IN PLACE YEAR SIX THROUGH 10.

BUT WHAT WAS VERY VALID, WE WANTED TO VALIDATE OUR ACTIONS.

AND IN OUR 2021 ANALYSIS, WE WENT FROM THE 1.58 MILES OF VERY POOR TO 0.9 MILES.

AND THE 0.9 MILES IS BEING FIXED THIS YEAR ON A VERY GOOD SIDE, WE HAD ZERO BEFORE.

TODAY WE HAVE 67.25 MILES OF VERY GOOD ROADS.

SO WE'VE MADE A MAJOR STRIDE IN THIS, ALONG WITH STARTING A PROGRAM FOR, UH, OUR NEXT FIVE YEAR PLAN WE'RE REQUIRED BY STATE STATUTE TO SPEND 33% OF THE FUNDS WE RECEIVE ON STATE ROADS, STATE ROADS, AND EVALUATED EVERY YEAR ON THE DOLLARS WE'RE SPENDING, WE PUT IT IN AND ACTUALLY, UM, IT GOES TO THE STATE LEGISLATURE FROM THE CTC, UH, PROGRAM MANAGER WHEREBY THEY LIST AND THEY PUT IT INTO A PACKET, GIVE IT TO ALL THE DELEGATION MEMBERS TO SO THAT THEY CAN SEE THAT WHETHER WE'RE DOING THE PROPER JOB OR NOT, UH, WHICH WE ARE, BY THE WAY.

UM, SO IT BECAME A DECISION POINT FOR US.

HOW ARE WE GOING TO GO FORWARD WITH SPENDING OUR FUNDS ON STATE ROUTES? AND IT BECAME A BIG DISCUSSION.

AND THE CTC CAME TO A UNANIMOUS DECISION THAT WE WILL BE SPENDING, AND I'M GONNA GIVE YOU ROUND NUMBERS ROUGHLY, WE HAVE TO SPEND A MILLION DOLLARS A YEAR ON, ON STATE ROUTES.

SO WE, UH, CAME TO A CON, UH, CONSENSUS THAT WE'RE GONNA SPEND, UH, A HALF MILLION, A HALF MILLION DOLLARS ON LOW ADT ROUTES.

THESE ARE ROUTES THAT WILL NEVER QUALIFY TO BE TOUCHED IN ANY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM BY THE STATE.

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UH, WE ALSO LOOKED AT 2000 BETWEEN 502,000 ADT.

THESE ARE ALSO ROUTES IN ALL OUR DISTRICTS THAT, UH, DON'T GET ATTENTION.

AND SO EACH COMMITTEE MEMBER IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THEIR DISTRICT TO COME UP WITH LISTINGS OF ROUTES AND JUSTIFIED THE MONEY THAT THEY'RE GOING TO SPEND ON OR RECOMMEND SPENDING ON THEIR DIS IN THEIR DISTRICT FOR THAT 500,000.

AND AS JARED POINTED OUT, WE GOT 5.8 MILLION, UM, THAT CAME ON, ON TO US, UM, BY THE STATE LEGISLATURE.

SO WE WERE TAKING A CHUNK OF THAT MONEY AND USING IT IN OUR LOW ADT ROUTES TO REALLY MAKE A DIFFERENCE.

AND SO WHILE THIS ALL HAPPENED, IT WAS JUST PERFECT TIMING FOR US.

WE WERE AHEAD OF THE PACK.

UH, THEY ALSO KNEW THAT WE WERE DOING THIS, BY THE WAY, BUT, UM, WE DECIDED, WELL, WE HIRED A CONSULTING FIRM TO COME IN AND DO A STUDY AND COME UP WITH A FIVE YEAR PLAN FOR US.

AND AMT WAS THE SELECTED FIRM TO DO IT.

AND RICHARD TURNER IS HERE WITH ME TODAY TO KIND OF GIVE YOU AN OVERSIGHT OF WHAT WE, WHAT WE'RE ACCOMPLISHING.

RICHARD, THANK YOU CHAIRMAN GORDON.

THANK YOU CHAIRMAN RODMAN AND MEMBERS OF THE COMMITMENT COMMITTEE.

IT'S, UH, IT'S A PLEASURE TO BE HERE WITH YOU.

UM, I, I'M RICHARD TURNER WITH, UH, AMT ENGINEERING.

UM, I'M THE SOUTH CAROLINA PROGRAM SERVICES LEAD.

AND, AND WE WERE HIRED BY THE, THE CTC TO, TO EVALUATE THE, THE LOW VOLUME SECONDARY ROAD PROGRAM, UM, AND DEVELOP A FIVE YEAR, FIVE YEAR PROGRAM.

UH, AND THE FIRST THING WE REALLY, WE DID, THAT'S ALL RIGHT.

SO THE, THE, THE FIRST THING WE WENT ABOUT DOING WAS REVIEWING EXISTING DATA.

UH, S D O T PROVIDED THE COUNTY WITH A LIST OF THE ROADS THAT ARE LESS THAN 500 OR THE FULL, ACTUALLY THE FULL LIST OF SECONDARY ROADS IN BEAUFORT COUNTY.

WE, WE BROUGHT THAT DOWN TO JUST THE ROADS THAT HAD A 500 ADT OR LESS, AND WHICH EQUATED TO ABOUT 400 ROADS THROUGHOUT THE, THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY, ABOUT 182 MILES.

AND SO WE LOOKED AT THAT DATA TO UNDERSTAND EXACTLY WHAT CONDITION IS THE SYSTEM, WHAT, HOW IS, HOW IS SC D O T REPORTING THAT, AND WHAT YOU SEE THERE, THE BAR GRAPH, THERE IS ABOUT 90% OF THE ROADS THAT, UH, THEY'RE THERE, THEY'RE ABOUT, THEY'RE FAIR OR BETTER CONDITION.

SO FAIR, GOOD, AND VERY GOOD CONDITION.

UM, THE OVERALL NETWORK OF SECONDARY ROADS, IF YOU, WE DID A WEIGHTED AVERAGE OF THOSE BASED ON THE PAYMENT QUALITY INDEX THAT SC D O T USES ON A ONE TO FIVE SCALE OR ZERO TO FIVE.

THE OVERALL SECONDARY NETWORK IS AROUND 3.14.

AND THE, THE SUBSET, THE SMALL LESS THAN 500 ROADS IS AROUND A 3.06, WHICH IS A GOOD CONDITION RATING.

HAD REPEATABLE DATA, WHICH IS WHAT WE WANTED TO SEE.

SO THE NEXT STEP WE TOOK IN THIS, THIS IS THE NEXT MORE THAT'S PERFECT , RIGHT? I'LL TELL YOU THAT.

YOU, ME, I'M RIGHT.

UM, SO THE NEXT STEP WE DID IS WAS GO THROUGH AND, AND PROVIDE, DO A PAYMENT CONDITION SURVEY OF OUR OWN TO UNDERSTAND EXACTLY WHAT DO WE SEE, WHAT DO OUR GUYS SEE, BOOTS ON THE GROUND, WHAT ARE WE SEEING VERSUS WHAT THE OT IS REPORTING.

UH, WE DID THAT, WE DID THAT BASED ON A, UH, WE USED NC D O T OR NORTH CAROLINA D O T STANDARDS, UH, TO DO THAT.

AND WE RATED THEM ON, BASICALLY ON A ZERO TO 100 SCALE, WHICH EQUATES TO A PAYMENT CONDITION INDEX OR A PAYMENT CONDITION RATING.

UH, THERE'S MULTIPLE WAYS OF DOING, BUT ESSENTIALLY IT'S A, IT'S A VISUAL, UM, SURVEY OF THE ROADS TO UNDERSTAND EXACTLY THOSE CONDITIONS.

WE COLLECT, COLLECT DATA AND UNDERSTAND WHAT TYPE OF, UH, DISTRESSES ARE THERE WITHIN THE DA WITHIN THOSE ROADS.

AND WE LOOK AT THE ENTIRE LENGTH AND WIDTH OF THE ROAD.

UM, WHAT WE FOUND WAS IT WAS VERY SIMILAR IN THE FACT THAT THAT OVER 90% OF THE ROADS WERE AN FAIR OR BETTER CONDITION.

SO I THINK WE WERE AROUND 89% OR 92%, AND DOTS WAS AROUND 94.

SO WE'RE VERY CLOSE, WHICH IS, WE HAD GOOD, WE

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UH, THE, THE SCALE IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT.

SO YOU SAID THE BAR GRAPHS LOOK A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT, BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, THE, THE ROADS THAT ARE IN POOR, VERY POOR CONDITION WAS VERY CLOSELY THE SAME, I THINK AROUND EIGHT TO 11% BETWEEN THE TWO.

SO WE OVERALL, WHAT WE, WHAT WE FOUND WAS THIS PIECE OF THE NETWORK IS IN GOOD CONDITION TO GIVE YOU KIND OF A VISUAL WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE ON A HEAT MAP FROM GREEN BEING GOOD, RED BEING BAD, UH, IT IS PREDOMINANTLY, PREDOMINANTLY ON THE GREEN SIDE.

SO JUST MATCHES WHAT I WAS JUST SAYING PREDOMINANTLY THIS, THIS PIECE OF THE NETWORK IS, IS OVERALL IN A GOOD CONDITION.

SO THE NEXT THING WE, WE, WE DID AS, AS PART OF THAT PAYMENT CONDITION SURVEY, WE ALSO LOOKED AT THE LAND CHARACTERISTICS OR THESE LAND DEVELOPMENT, WHAT, WHAT'S ACTUALLY HAPPENING ON THESE ROADS? WHAT TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT IS, ARE THERE, UH, ALONG EACH OF THE ROUTES FROM, AND WE SCORED, WE BASICALLY, WE TOOK ACCOUNT, UH, OF THE INDUSTRIES, CHURCHES, SCHOOLS, HOMES, AND EACH OF THOSE GOT A SCORE.

SO THE ONES THAT GENERATED MORE TRAFFIC, UH, YOU WOULD SEE THOSE WITH A HIGHER SCORE, WHICH IS WHAT YOU SEE ON THE SCREEN.

SO WE TOTALED THAT AND DIVIDED IT BASICALLY BY THE LENGTH, WHICH CREATES A DENSITY, IF YOU WILL, OF DEVELOPMENT PER, PER MILE OF ROAD.

UH, AND THEN WE ALSO UTILIZED THE, THE ACTUAL AVERAGE DAILY TRAFFIC.

AND WE PROVIDED A, A SCORE TO GO ALONG WITH THAT.

AND THAT, AND THAT, WHAT THAT GAVE US WAS A, AN OVERALL SCORE FOR THE LAND USE CHARACTERISTIC SCORE.

SO YOU, YOU THINK ABOUT TWO THINGS I'VE GOT HERE.

I'VE GOT THE PAYMENT CONDITION SURVEY AND THE SCORE THAT THAT'S ZERO TO A HUNDRED.

UH, AND THEN YOU HAVE THE, THE LAND CHARACTER LAND USE CHARACTERISTIC SCORE.

SO YOU GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE.

SO WHAT WE U WHAT WE DID WITH THOSE TWO NUMBERS IS WE COMBINED THOSE 75%, IT WAS BASICALLY A WEIGHTED AVERAGE.

75% OF THE CON OF THE CONDITION INDEX WAS ADDED TO 25% OF THE LAND USE CHARACTERISTICS.

SO WE'RE, WE'RE BRINGING IN THE, THE CONDITION IS THE, THE PREDOMINANT FACTOR OF, OF WHAT EACH OF THE ROADS TO BE RANKED.

UH, BUT IT ALSO BRINGS IN THE LAND USE CHARACTERISTICS AS WELL.

SO YOU GET AN OVERALL SCORE AND WHAT, AND THE TABLE, IT'S HARD TO READ THERE, BUT THE TABLE BASICALLY SHOWS THE ROADS AS THEY ARE LISTED FROM, FROM BASICALLY WORST CONDITION OR THE HIGHEST SCORE TO THE LOWEST SCORE.

SO THAT WAS UTILIZED TO DETERMINE WHAT ARE OUR PRIORITIES AND HOW WE, HOW WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS FIVE YEAR PROGRAM.

NEXT SLIDE.

SO THE NEXT STEP WAS TREATMENT TYPES.

HOW DO WE WANT TO, HOW DO WE WANNA TREAT THESE ROADS? SOME ROADS ARE IN GOOD CONDITIONS, SOME ROADS ARE FAIR AND THEN POOR.

UM, WHAT WE LANDED ON THROUGH DISCUSSIONS WITH CHAIRMAN GORDON, THE D O T AND AND COUNTY STAFF, WAS WANT TO USE BASICALLY A MIX OF TREATMENTS.

UH, ONE THING ABOUT THIS SECTION, THIS, THIS SUBSET OF THE, OF THE NETWORK IS IT'S ABOUT 50 50 BETWEEN RURAL ROADS AND URBAN ROADS.

SO THE, THE TREATMENT TYPES THAT YOU CAN UTILIZE ON THOSE CAN VARY, UH, THE RURAL ROADS, WHAT YOU SEE ON A LOT OF THOSE TODAY IS A, IS A CHIP CELL TREATMENT.

UH, AND SO WE COULD GO BACK AND DO THE, DO SOMETHING VERY SIMILAR TO THAT, WHAT IS, WHAT WE CHOSE, WHICH WAS A SCRUB SEAL, WHICH IS VERY, VERY SIMILAR, VERY SIMILAR TREATMENT TYPE THAN WHAT WHAT YOU SEE ON THE MAJORITY OF THOSE.

THINK ABOUT 38% OF THE ROADS IN THIS NETWORK.

UM, WERE RURAL AND CURRENTLY HAVE CHIPS, SEAL THOSE ROADS WOULD BE TREATED AGAIN WITH THAT, UH, VERY SIMILAR TREATMENT TYPE.

THE ROADS IN THE URBAN AREA, UH, YOU'LL SEE THOSE, YOU'LL YOUR TYPICAL HOT MIX ASPHALT ROADS, THOSE WILL BE EITHER MILD OR OVERLAID WITH A NEW LAYER OF, OF HOT MIX ASPHALT.

UM, THAT THAT'S WHAT WE LANDED ON AND CAN GO TO THE FIVE YEAR NEXT ONE.

SO FIVE YEAR PLAN.

UM, AND THIS IS YEAR ONE, SHOWN ON THE SCREEN.

UM, YEAR ONE BASICALLY WAS THREE AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS.

WE UTILIZING 1 MILLION OF THE RECURRING, UH, CTC FUNDS AND TWO AND A HALF MILLION OF THE ONE TIME FUNDING THAT, UH, CHAIRMAN GORDON WAS SPEAKING ABOUT, UH, THROUGH THE STATE LEGISLATOR.

UM, WHAT THAT GIVES US IS AROUND 30 MILES OF, OF ROADS TO BE, TO BE IMPACTED IN, IN YEAR ONE.

YEAR TWO, WE DROP DOWN TO THE $500,000 PER YEAR.

AND, AND SUBSEQUENTLY THROUGH YEARS THREE, UH, THREE, FOUR, AND FIVE, UH, WHICH IS ABOUT THREE MILES PER ROAD, THREE MILES PER YEAR OF ROADS, THAT WILL BE, UH, THAT WILL BE RESURFACED.

UM, BUT WHAT THIS DOES IN, IN THE, IN THE BIG SCHEME OF THINGS IS ALL THE ROADS THAT ARE CURRENTLY YELLOW AND YELLOW AND RED WILL ALL TURN GREEN IN A FIVE YEAR PROGRAM.

EVERY ROAD WITHIN THIS SMALL SUBSET WILL ALL BE IN GOOD CONDITION OR BETTER.

THERE'LL BE SOME THAT ARE, THAT ARE IN A GOOD CONDITION THAT'LL DROP DOWN TO THE, PROBABLY TO THE FAIR CATEGORY WITHIN THE NEXT FIVE YEARS.

BUT YOU'LL HAVE OPPORTUNITY TO REVISIT THOSE AND TREAT THOSE ALONG THE WAY.

SO YEAR ONE, UM, THOSE PLANS HAVE BEEN SUBMITTED TO THE, TO THE COUNTY FOR

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THEM TO DEVELOP THE PLANS.

AND I'LL LET JARED AND OTHERS SPEAK ON THAT IF THEY NEED TO.

BUT, UM, THAT'S WHERE WE ARE AND THAT'S, UM, AND THAT'S WHAT WE'VE PUT TOGETHER SO FAR AND RECOMMENDED TO THE, UH, CTC AND IT'S BEEN, BEEN APPROVED THUS FAR.

GREAT.

SOME QUESTIONS.

I THINK IT'S VERY GOOD.

INCREDIBLE WHAT YOU ALL HAVE DONE.

THIS IS WHAT IT REALLY DOES.

THE THEY SAME NODE'S IMPROVED AND CITIZENS CAN SEE IT FIRSTHAND.

ANYBODY ONLINE GOT A QUESTION? GUESS NOT.

FOOT ON ANY OF THE DIRT ROADS.

UM, THAT TAKES US TO A RESOLUTION FOR ADOPTING THE FIVE YEAR PLAN.

JERRY, IS THAT YOU? YES, SIR.

SO THAT WAS CTC AND, AND PAVED ROADS, AND THOSE WERE ALSO D O T OEM ROADS.

THIS IS TYPICALLY PAID OUT OF OUR TAG FUNDS, DIRT ROADS, AND THESE ARE COUNTY OWN DIRT ROADS, SO SIMILAR TO CTC.

UH, AND THE FIVE YEAR PLAN, THEY HAVE FIVE YEAR PLAN FOR OUR COUNTY PEDROS AND NOW A FIVE YEAR PLAN FOR D O T, UH, SECONDARY ROADS.

WE HAVE A FIVE YEAR PLAN FOR OUR DIRT ROADS, UM, SIMILAR TO, TO, UH, THE RESURFACING.

WE'VE ALREADY BEEN THROUGH ROADS ONE THROUGH FIVE OR WORKING TOWARDS THE END OF THE FIVE YEARS, AND WE'RE PREPARING FOR YEAR SIX THROUGH 10.

SO WE PUT OUT OUR RFQ AND WE COULD SELECTED CONS ENGINEERING.

THE GREAT THING IS, EVEN THOUGH IT'S A DIFFERENT FIRM THAN PREVIOUSLY, THE PROJECT MANAGER, DAN CHISHOLM, IS THE SAME PROJECT MANAGER THAT HELPED IN OUR FIRST YEAR, ONE THROUGH FIVE.

SO THERE'S GREAT CONSISTENCY WITH THAT.

UH, UNFORTUNATELY BRIAN BAUER, FORTUNATELY AND UNFORTUNATELY BRIAN BAUER IS OUR PROJECT MANAGER ON THIS PROJECT, UM, BUT IS NOT PRESENT BECAUSE HE AND HIS WIFE HAD THEIR FIRST CHILD LAST WEEK.

SO, UM, KUDOS TO, TO THOSE GUYS.

UM, BUT WITHOUT THAT, UM, ERIC AND DAN CHISHOLM, IF YOU GUYS WANT TO COME AND GIVE A PRESENTATION ON WHERE WE ARE AND, AND WHAT'S BEEN WITH THAT? NOPE, JUST DAN, HOW ABOUT THAT? OKAY.

YOU SAID ERIC, IT KIND OF THREW ME THERE FOR A MINUTE.

YEAH, SORRY ABOUT THAT.

UH, GENTLEMAN, THANKS A LOT FOR, UH, THE OPPORTUNITY TO STAND FOR YOU TODAY AND PRESENT THE FIVE YEAR DIRT ROAD PAVING PLAN FOR THE NEXT YEAR.

UM, CONS, YOU GUYS PROBABLY NEVER HEARD OF CONS BEFORE, BUT WE'RE NATIONWIDE, BASICALLY INTERNATIONAL COMPANY, UH, OFFICES ALL OVER THE UNITED STATES.

TWO OFFICES HERE IN SOUTH CAROLINA.

AND, UH, LIKE, UH, ADMINISTRATOR FRA SAID, UH, I'VE BEEN IN WORKING IN BEAUFORT FOR, WELL, MORE THAN A DECADE NOW.

INTRODUCE OUR CONTOUR TEAM TO YOU.

NEXT SLIDE IF YOU WOULD.

UH, JOSH GRAY IS OUR VICE PRESIDENT HERE IN CHARGE OF SOUTH CAROLINA.

HE'S WORKING OUT OF OUR CHARLESTON OFFICE, VERY CLOSE HERE TO BEAUFORT COUNTY.

UH, MY SENIOR ROADWAY INSPECTOR WAS MIND POPPIN, HEIS, UH, MIND'S BEEN DOING, UH, ROAD WORK NOW FOR ABOUT 20 YEARS IN THE UNITED STATES AFTER COMING FROM SOUTH AFRICA.

AND AGAIN, DAN CHISHOLM, I'M THE PROJECT MANAGER FOR IT.

AND LIKE I SAID, I'VE BEEN WORKING IN BEAUFORT FOR, WELL, MORE THAN A DECADE.

VERY FIRST PROJECT I DID HERE WAS ACE BASIN OUT IN GARDENS CORNER.

Y'ALL PROBABLY LOVE THE LITTLE ROUNDABOUT THAT WE PUT UP THERE.

THAT WAS ONE OF THE VERY FIRST ONES WE EVER DID IN, IN BEAUFORT COUNTY.

UH, WENT ON FROM THERE.

I DID THE BLUFF AND FLYOVER PROJECT.

FINISHED THAT IN 2016, AND WE WAS FINISHING THAT UP.

WE WERE FORTUNATE ENOUGH TO BE SELECTED TO DO, UH, COMMISSIONER CHAIRMAN GORDON'S FIRST, UH, PAVING ASSESSMENT FOR THE COUNTY ROADS.

SO BEEN WORKING IN BUFORD FOR A LONG TIME.

NEXT SLIDE, IF YOU WILL, ALONG ABOUT THE TIME WE FINISHED UP, UH, THE, THE PAVING PLAN FOR CHAIRMAN GORDON, FOR THE COUNTY ROADS COUNTY DECIDED THEY ALSO NEEDED TO DO A SAME, A SIMILAR PLAN FOR THE DIRT ROAD PAING PLAN.

SO COUNTY RETAINED ANOTHER CONSULTANT AT THAT POINT IN TIME, AND THAT CONSULTANT CAME UP WITH THE VERY FIRST FIVE YEAR PLAN.

COUNTY HAS BEEN VERY HAPPY, STAFF HAVE BEEN VERY HAPPY WITH THE WAY THAT ASSESSMENT WENT.

THEY JUST WANTED TO DO A LITTLE BIT OF TWEAKING TO SOME OF THE THINGS.

JUST REAL QUICK TO KIND OF EXPLAIN A LITTLE BIT, WE BASICALLY HAVE TWO SCORING COMPONENTS IN IT.

UH, THE FIRST SCORING COMPONENT IS COMPRISED OF WHAT IS THE PHYSICAL CHARACTERISTICS OF THE ROAD ITSELF, WHAT KIND OF RIGHT OF WAY DO WE HAVE ON THE ROAD? AND THEN LASTLY, UH, YOU KNOW, WHAT IS THE, UH, WHAT WE CALL THE DAILY TRAFFIC, YOU KNOW, HOW DO WE ASSESS THE DAILY TRAFFIC? THAT'S WHAT WE CALL COMPONENT A.

AND THERE ARE DIFFERENT PERCENTAGES IN THAT.

BUT UH, JUST ON THE SCREEN THERE, YOU CAN SEE OUR SCORING CHARTS THAT WE HAD.

WE MADE A LITTLE TWEAK TO EACH ONE OF THOSE.

UH, THE LAST CONSULTANT NEVER REALLY SET

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WE PHYSICALLY WALKED EVERY MILE OF THE DIRT ROAD THAT YOU HAVE IN THE COUNTY.

MY DIRT DID THAT FOR US.

AND WE ASSESSED THE CONDITION OF THE ROAD AS WELL.

WE WORKED WITH STAFF, UH, WITH REGARDS TO THE RIGHT OF WAY.

WE DID A LITTLE BIT OF TWEAKING TO THE WAY THE RIGHT OF WAY WAS CORD.

AND OF COURSE, YOU GUYS UNDERSTAND THAT YOU'VE GOT SOME ROADS THAT ARE LEGACY ROADS, UH, IN THE COUNTY DIRT ROAD SYSTEM.

AND, UH, SOME OF THE ROADS YOU'VE ALREADY GOT ALL FULL RIGHT OF WAY ON IT.

SOME ROADS ARE ALREADY NEGOTIATING FOR SOME RIGHT OF WAY ON THOSE ROADS.

AND SOME ROADS YOU DON'T HAVE ANY RIGHT OF WAY ON AS WELL.

AND THEN WE LOOKED AT THE DAILY TRAFFIC.

UH, BASICALLY KIND OF, UH, WE COUNTED THE, YOU KNOW, THE HOUSES ON THE ROADS.

AGAIN, THIS WAS THE SYSTEM THAT WAS IN PLACE BEFORE COUNTED THE HOUSES, COUNTED THE CHURCHES, COUNTED THE, YOU KNOW, THE BUSINESSES ON THE ROADS, COUNTED THE CEMETERIES, THE BUS ROUTES, THINGS LIKE THAT.

ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE TWEAKED WITH THIS YEAR'S PLAN WAS THE ROADS THAT FEED INTO THE DIRT ROAD SYSTEMS. YOU KNOW, WE, THEY COUNTED THE ROADS BEFORE, BUT THEY REALLY DIDN'T COUNT THE RESIDENCES, THEY DIDN'T COUNT THE BUSINESSES, ALL THOSE OTHER THINGS TO FACTOR INTO THE DAILY TRACTOR.

SO WE KIND OF MADE A LITTLE SLIGHT ADJUSTMENT THERE.

THE SECOND SCORING PART OF THE SYSTEM IS BASICALLY WHAT WE CALL A BENEFIT COST RATIO ANALYSIS.

BASICALLY, HOW MUCH DOES IT COST TO MAINTAIN THE DIRT ROADS AS THEY ARE RIGHT NOW? HOW MUCH ARE YOU SPENDING EVERY YEAR TO DO THAT? WORKED AGAIN WITH STAFF, A LOT OF COLLABORATION WITH THEM, UH, REGARDING THE, THE MAINTENANCE SUPERVISORS, YOU KNOW, WORK ON THE ROADS, HOW MUCH ARE THEY SPENDING, WHAT KIND OF PROBLEMS ARE THEY SEEING ON THE ROAD? AND THEN LASTLY, WHAT WOULD IT COST YOU IF YOU PAVE THE ROAD AND YOU KIND OF COME UP WITH A RATIO OF WHAT IT COST TO MAINTAIN IT VERSUS WHAT YOU COST TO TO, TO COMPLETELY PAVE IT.

SO THOSE WERE THE TWO COMPONENTS THAT WE DID.

UH, WE HAD SOME DIRT ROADS IN THE COUNTY THAT, UH, WE DIDN'T CONSIDER STAFF AS NOT TO CONSIDER DUFUS.

WE'RE NEVER GOING TO PAVE THE DIRT ROAD ON, YOU KNOW, ON DUFUS, WE WANNA PUT GRAVEL ON ALL THOSE ROADS.

SOME OF THE, SOME OF THE ROADS ARE ALREADY IN THE SYSTEM TO BE PAVED THIS YEAR AND NEXT YEAR TO FINISH UP THE FIRST FIVE YEAR PLAN.

AND THEN WE ALREADY HAVE SOME AGREEMENTS WITH SOME OF THE LANDOWNERS IN PLACE THAT THE LANDOWNERS DON'T WANT THEIR ROAD PAVED.

SO WE TOOK OUT SOME THOSE ROADS THAT AREN'T APPLICABLE.

AND THEN WE SCORED BASICALLY EVERY SINGLE DIRT ROAD IN THE, IN THE COUNTY AND CAME UP WITH OUR LIST.

UH, YOUR REPORTS GOT THAT IN IT.

GO AHEAD.

NEXT SLIDE, IF YOU WOULD.

THIS IS KIND OF THE, BASICALLY JUST THE FIRST PAGE OF THAT RANKING SYSTEM, YOU KNOW, AND, UH, EVERY SINGLE DIRT ROAD THAT YOU SEE IS GONNA BE IN THE, IN THE LIST.

AND FROM THERE, WE FINISHED UP LAST SLIDE, IF YOU WOULD, THE ACTUAL FIVE YEAR PLAN.

UH, SO WE TOOK THOSE ROADS AND WE WERE TOLD TO PHYSICALLY CONSTRAIN 'EM TO ABOUT $2 MILLION WORTH OF EXPENDITURES YOURS A YEAR.

UH, SO BASICALLY YEAR 2025, UH, WE'RE LOOKING AT DOING GI UH, GIBSON ROAD, FREDA TAYLOR, ITALY FARM ROAD, AND ALICE LADSON DRIVE.

AND IF THOSE ARE SPREAD OUT BETWEEN DISTRICT ONE, DISTRICT THREE AND DISTRICT 10, UH, YEAR 26, 20 26, GILLISON LOOP, MONTGOMERY LANE IN DAVIS ROAD, YEAR 27, HARBOR OAKS, PRITCHARD FARM, FLORA DRIVE, AND OLD COUNTRY DRIVE.

THOSE ROADS WERE SPREAD OUT BETWEEN DISTRICTS ONE, DISTRICT THREE AND DISTRICT NINE AS WELL.

I'M SORRY, 26.

WE HAD DISTRICT ONE IN DISTRICT SEVEN REPRESENTED IN THAT YEAR.

PAVING PLAN, 2028 CATO, LANE GLASS ROAD, AND NORTH C PINES DRIVE.

AND THEN THE LAST YEAR, THE PLAN, FIFTH YEAR, 2029, BASICALLY MOST OF THE ROADS ON LADIES ISLAND, A LOT OF THE DIRT ROADS ON LADIES ISLAND THERE.

AND AGAIN, WE PHYSICALLY CONSTRAINED IT.

UH, ROUGHLY $2 MILLION IN EACH OF THE FIRST FIVE YEARS.

1.8, 1.7 MILLION.

THE LAST YEAR.

LADIES ISLAND IS A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN THAT.

IT'S ABOUT 2.8 MILLION WORTH OF WORK ON LADIES ISLAND.

BUT, UH, THAT'S YOUR NEXT FIVE YEAR PLAN.

AND I'LL TAKE QUESTIONS.

QUESTIONS.

I WOULD HAVE TO, UM, CREATE A CEMETERY ON MY PROPERTY IN ORDER TO GET THE, UM, THE STANDARD UP SO I CAN HAVE A PAVED ROAD AND STUFF.

, VERY CONFIDE, YOU ARE HERE, HERE.

THANK YOU, MR. SCH, I APPRECIATE YOUR PRESENTATION.

UH, AND I APPRECIATE ALL THE WORK YOU, YOU HAVE DONE, UM, TO THIS, TO BRING TO THIS POINT.

UM, I'M JUST GONNA MAKE ONE COMMENT.

UM, YES, SIR.

UH, I'M IN A RURAL COMMUNITY, UM, PRIMARILY, UM, UM, AND ONE OF THE, SOME OF YOUR, UM, QUALIFICATION FOR PAVING, UM, REALLY PENALIZED, UM, RURAL COMMUNITY BECAUSE WE MAY NOT HAVE, IS ALMOST LIKE

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AND I DON'T THINK WE REALLY WANT TO DO THAT.

UM, AND WE MAY NOT HAVE AS MANY TRAFFIC, UH, INDUSTRY, UM, UM, IN ON THOSE DIRT ROADS AND STUFF, BUT THE CITIZENS WANT THEIR ROAD PAVED.

SO JUST KEEP THAT IN MIND, UM, AS YOU GO THROUGH YOUR CRITERIA FOR, FOR EVALUATING ROADS.

UM, SO I'M GONNA STOP, I'M GONNA STOP THERE.

ONE, ONE OF, ONE OF THE THINGS, I'LL GO AHEAD AND ADDRESS THAT FOR YOU REAL QUICKLY.

WE DID TALK WITH STAFF.

STAFF BROUGHT US THE CONCERNS MM-HMM.

, UH, RIGHT NOW, IF YOU LOOK AT THE WAY THE ROADS WERE ANALYZED, CATEGORY A, WHICH IS THE ONE THAT'S GOT THE DAILY TRAFFIC, THE NUMBER OF HOUSES, ET CETERA, GOT THE CONDITION OF THE ROADS, GOT THE RIGHT OF WAY, ALL THAT FACTORED IN IS ABOUT ORIGINALLY WAS 66% OF THE SCORING CRITERIA WITH THE BENEFIT COST RATIO BEING 34%.

SO, YOU KNOW, TO ADD UP TO A HUNDRED, WHEN STAFF BROUGHT US YOUR CONCERNS, UH, ONE OF THE THINGS WE DID WAS SAY, OKAY, WHAT CAN WE DO? CAN WE LOOK AT THIS A LITTLE DIFFERENTLY? SO ONE OF THE THINGS WE DID, WE SAID, OKAY, WELL LET'S LOWER THE PERCENTAGE THAT WE APPLY TO THE DAILY TRAFFIC TO ADDRESS THE RURAL, AND THEN LET'S MAYBE UP THE BENEFIT COST, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE IT'S NOT GOING COST YOU MUCH TO PAY.

I SEE SOME OF THE RURAL ROADS, SO GIVE MORE CREDIT TO THAT.

WE, WE ANALYZED IT AGAIN THAT WAY.

AND BE HONEST, THE RANKING SYSTEM DIDN'T CHANGE.

RIGHT? UH, WHAT WE FOUND OUT WAS WE WERE INDEED, YOU KNOW, IF YOU LOOK, A LOT OF THE ROADS IN DISTRICT ONE, IN DISTRICT TWO WERE THE ONES THAT JUMPED UP TO THE VERY TOP, YOU KNOW, THE ONES IN THE MORE RURAL SECTIONS.

I'M GOING TO MAKE A COMMENT SIMILAR TO WHAT I MADE AT THE LAST COUNCIL MEETING TO THE STAFF, UM, WHEN IT DEALT WITH STORM WATER AND GETTING EASEMENTS, A LOT OF THE PROPERTY, UM, IN THE RURAL AREA, REALLY SUBJECT TO HE'S PROPERTY.

GETTING EASEMENTS FOR THAT MAY BE PROBLEMATIC.

AT THE SAME TIME, WE ALSO HAVE WHAT I CONSIDER LEGACY ROAD, WHERE YOU MAY NOT HAVE THE, THE, THE, UM, THE WIDTH THAT YOU REQUIRE FOR AN EASEMENT PROPERLY, BUT THAT ROAD CAN'T GO ANYWHERE AND IT HAS TO BE USED AND MAINTAINED, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE IT'S A LEGACY ROAD.

SO I I'M ASSUMING THAT YOU ARE ALSO CONSIDERING, UH, PAVING ROADS LIKE THAT.

THAT MAY NOT HAVE THE PROPER EASEMENTS GIVEN, BUT THE ROAD AIN'T GOING NOWHERE AND IT HAS TO BE USED.

IT IS.

AND, AND AGAIN, WHEN WE LOOK AT LEGACY ROADS, THAT WAS FACTORED IN ON THE RIGHT OF WAY CATEGORY.

AND FOR THE ROADS WERE NOT LEGACY.

THEY WERE GIVEN BASICALLY A FACTOR OF ONE WHERE LEGACY ROADS WERE GIVEN A FACTOR OF ONE AND A HALF.

SO LEGACY ROADS WERE MORE IMPORTANT, YOU KNOW, FROM, FROM THAT REGARD.

OKAY, THANK YOU.

UM, IN 2022, WE HAD FOUR ROADS SCHEDULED TO BE PAVED.

WE KNOW THAT THERE WERE DIFFICULTIES OBTAINING MATERIALS AND THE COST OF PAVING WENT WAY UP.

WERE WE ABLE TO PAVE ALL OF THOSE ROADS THAT WERE SCHEDULED FOR 2022? WELL, I CAN'T ANSWER TO THAT YEAR.

YEAH, I CAN ANSWER THE, THE MONEY'S FINE.

WE'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO MAKE ALL THOSE, UH, GET CONSTRUCTED AND, AND I DON'T HAVE THE EXACT TIMELINE, BUT, UM, THOSE ARE, NONE OF THOSE WERE BUMPED OR, OR ANYTHING, BUT THEY ARE STILL SCHEDULED.

AND I'LL GET YOU A TIMELINE SPECIFIC TO THOSE ROADS.

AND ONE OF THE THINGS WE DID, UH, ADDITIONALLY WITH THE BENEFIT COST ANALYSIS, WE TOOK THE MOST CURRENT THREE YEARS, FOUR YEARS IN THE EXISTING PAVING PLAN.

WE FACTORED IN THOSE INCREASED COST BECAUSE WE'RE IN A TIME OF ECONOMIC CONCERN RIGHT NOW WITH VERY HIGH INFLATION.

WE WENT AHEAD AND ADDED A LITTLE BIT ADDITIONAL INFLATION TO THOSE SO THAT ALL OF THOSE, THOSE DATA POINTS ARE IN THE ANALYSIS THAT WE DID TO TRY TO TAKE ADVANTAGE.

AND WILL IT, JARED, WILL IT AFFECT THE ROADS THAT WE INTEND TO PAVE IN 2023? WILL THEY BE DELAYED BECAUSE WE'RE STILL PAVING THE TWO? NO, SO WE HAVE SEPARATE CONTRACTS.

SO WE PUT OUT A CONTRACT EVERY YEAR, REGARDLESS WHAT THE ONE'S DOING.

SO IF IT'S TAKING US EXTRA TIME OF PERMITTING, WE'RE STILL GONNA PUT ONE OUT, UM, THE FOLLOWING YEAR.

SO WE'RE TRYING TO STAY AT A YEARLY SCHEDULE WHERE WE HAVE ROADS THAT ARE ENTERING CONS.

IT'S A TWO YEAR PROGRAM BASICALLY.

SO, UH, IT TAKES A YEAR WORTH OF DESIGN AND A YEAR WORTH OF CONSTRUCTION.

SO, UM, SO WE'RE TRYING TO STAY ON SCHEDULE WITH THAT.

AND, UM, THE COSTS REALLY, THEY HAVE, WE HAVE SEEN SOME INCREASED COSTS, BUT NOT TO AFFECT WHERE OUR, OUR PLAN IN OUR CURRENT.

OKAY, GREAT.

UM, PAVING SCHEDULE.

UM, PRIORITIZATION OF THE FIVE YEAR DIRT ROAD PAVING PROGRAM ON SECOND, SECOND MARK.

ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? I WILL MAKE THE MOTION TO APPROVE THE,

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SECONDS.

UH, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ANY OBJECTION? HEARING NONE.

THIS STANDS APPROVED WITHOUT OBJECTION.

AND WE HAVE TO MOVE THIS TO COUNCIL AND WE HAVE TO MOVE THIS TO COUNCIL.

OF COURSE.

UM, THAT BRINGS US TO

[Items 10 & 11]

OUR AIRPORT.

NO PUBLIC FACILITY MEETING WOULD BE COMPLETE WITHOUT JOHN BEING HERE.

DOES A GOOD JOB OF ROUNDING UP MONEY FOR US, AND, UH, WE'RE GLAD TO HEAR THAT YOU FINISH SECOND AND, UH, HOPEFULLY THERE WERE MORE THAN TWO PEOPLE IN THAT DIVISION.

, I'M NOT GONNA TELL YOU HOW MANY PEOPLE IN THAT DIVISION, BUT I WILL TELL YOU THAT THAT WAS MY LAST YEAR IN THAT DIVISION.

SO I GRADUATE NEXT YEAR, AND I DON'T KNOW IF THE NEXT DIVISIONS GONNA BE MORE DIFFICULT OR LESS DIFFICULT, SO THAT MEANS I'M GETTING OLDER, BUT I'M STILL RUNNING.

SO I GUESS THAT'S A WIN.

WHY DON'T YOU DO 10 AND 11, WHICH ARE THE TWO RESOLUTIONS THAT WE CAN MAYBE TAKE THOSE VOTE ON TOGETHER UNLESS THEY'RE CONTROVERSIAL? UH, LET'S SEE.

I MIGHT NEED BRITTANY TO HELP ME ON 11.

THAT'S JUST THE, UH, THAT'S OKAY.

THE HUNTER ROAD, TWO DIFFERENT AIRPORTS.

SO, BUT I'M, I'M HAPPY TO TALK ABOUT BOTH OF THEM.

UH, NUMBER 10 IS JUST A RESOLUTION TO ACCEPT THE AERONAUTICS COMMISSION GRANT.

AND THAT'S JUST STANDARD, UH, GRANT THAT WE, UH, WE PARTNER WITH THE STATE ON, UH, WHENEVER WE HAVE A PROJECT.

SO THIS IS TO REHABILITATE, UM, THE, UH, THE RUNWAY OUT AT BEAUFORT EXECUTIVE.

IT'S FOR THE DESIGN AND BIDDING FOR THAT PROJECT.

SO IT'S NOT THE CONSTRUCTION, IT'S DESIGN AND BIDDING THAT'S, YOU KNOW, KNOW, GIVE OR TAKE, UH, $15,000 IS ALL THAT ONE IS.

SO, UH, WE'RE JUST HAPPY TO ACCEPT THAT GRANT.

UM, THE SECOND ONE, NUMBER 11, IS TO APPROVE A COMMERCIAL PROPERTY LEASE AGREEMENT.

AND THIS IS ON THE, THE FINAL, IF YOU REMEMBER, AT HILTON HAT ISLAND AIRPORT, WE HAD THAT SERIES OF PROPERTIES WE'RE ACQUIRING ON HUNTER ROAD.

THIS IS A FINAL PROPERTY.

IT'S FINALLY BEEN ACQUIRED AT THE END OF OCTOBER.

AND THAT PROPERTY HAD AN EXISTING LEASE AGREEMENT ON IT WITH AVIS BUDGET RENTAL CAR COMPANY.

AND THEY USE THAT, THERE'S A SMALL BUILDING THERE AND THEY USE IT TO BASICALLY SERVICE THEIR CARS AFTER THEIR RETURN AND GET 'EM READY FOR THE CLIENT.

SO WE'RE GONNA CONTINUE THAT LEASE.

SO THAT MAKES IT A, UH, RECURRING REVENUE ITEM FOR THE AIRPORT, UH, WHICH IS A BENEFIT TO THE, TO THE COUNTY.

GOOD.

DID THEY NEED TO ADD ANYTHING OR WE, I THINK WE COVERED IT.

SO MOVE JIM.

MOTION TO APPROVE.

YOU WANT BOTH OF THEM, RIGHT? YEAH, WE DO BOTH.

SO MOVE, AND I WILL SECOND THAT.

SECOND.

TO ITEM NUMBER 12 AND 12 B.

IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON EITHER OF THESE? AND, UH, HEARING NONE, UM, THIS STANDS BOTH STAND APPROVED, UM, WITHOUT OBJECTION.

AND, UH, THE RESOLUTIONS, DO THESE HAVE TO GO TO COUNSEL OR GIVEN THE DOLLAR AMOUNT? NO, THEY HAVE TO RESOLUTION IT.

THAT, THAT'S BE, THAT'S OKAY.

WE'LL SEND THOSE ON TO THE NEXT MEETING LOCALLY.

[12. AIRPORT CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM (ACIP) LISTS FOR BEAUFORT EXECUTIVE AIRPORT (ARW) AND HILTON HEAD ISLAND AIRPORT (HXD). (FOR INFORMATION ONLY)]

YEAH, WE'LL DO 12 AND WE'LL COME BACK AND DO 12 A.

AND THIS IS YOUR, UH, CIP PROGRAMS FOR BOTH AIRPORTS.

CORRECT.

AND THIS, IF YOU PROBABLY REMEMBER, EACH YEAR, WE BRING THIS FORWARD AND WHAT THE FAA REQUIRES OF THE AIRPORTS WHO ARE IN THE, UH, THE NIS OF THE TRANSPORTATION SYSTEM IS EACH YEAR TO PROVIDE THEM WITH A FIVE YEAR PLAN, UH, FOR CAPITAL PROJECTS, INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECTS AT, AT BOTH OF THE AIRPORTS.

SO WE'VE PROVIDED THAT TO THE FAA.

UM, THIS TYPICALLY IS KIND OF A GIVE AND TAKE, UH, OVER THE NEXT COUPLE OF MONTHS WHERE THE FAA WILL REVIEW OUR, UH, OUR LISTS AND THEY'LL HAVE A FEW ADJUSTMENTS TO MAKE TO THAT.

AND THEN BY THE TIME WE GET TO ABOUT THE MARCH TIMEFRAME, THEY'LL BE FINALIZED UNTIL WE GET AROUND TO THIS TIME NEXT YEAR.

AND THEN WE'LL DO IT ALL AGAIN.

BUT BASICALLY WE LOOK AT A FIVE YEAR CHUNK EACH YEAR.

SO THE FAA KNOWS HOW TO START PROGRAMMING THEIR NEAR TERM FUNDS AND THEN HOW MUCH, YOU KNOW, FARTHER TERM MONEY THEY HAVE TO START LOOKING AT TO FUND THESE PROJECTS.

SO JUST, JUST TO REALLY MAKE IT KIND OF IN A NUTSHELL, IF WE LOOK AT BEAUFORT EXECUTIVE AIRPORT IN THE NEXT, IN THE YEARS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, WHICH ARE FEDERAL FISCAL YEAR 24 TO 28 INCLUSIVE, UM, THAT'S ABOUT 11 AND A HALF MILLION WORTH OF TOTAL PROJECT COST.

THAT INCLUDES THE AIRPORT'S COSTS, THE STATE SHARING COSTS, AND THEN FAA COSTS, LARGE MAJORITY OF THAT IS FAA, UH, COST.

AND THE MAJOR PROJECTS THERE GONNA BE THE RUNWAY REHABILITATION PROJECT.

THAT'LL BE THE CONSTRUCTION PHASE OF THAT.

UM, AND THEN BEYOND THAT WILL BE THE EXTENT OF RUNWAY SAFETY, AREA PERMITTING AND CONSTRUCTION.

SO THAT, THAT ACTUALLY TAKES US ALL THE WAY THROUGH.

THOSE ARE FAIRLY COMPREHENSIVE PROJECTS AND COMPLICATED PROJECTS, BUT THAT'LL TAKE US THROUGH THAT FULL FIVE YEARS.

SO THAT'S ABOUT 11 AND A HALF MILLION IS WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT THERE.

AND THEN AT, UH, HILTON HEAD ISLAND AIRPORT, THE NUMBER'S A LITTLE BIT BIGGER.

IT'S ABOUT 18 MILLION THAT EXCLUDES THE TERMINAL CUZ WE'VE PREVIOUSLY DISCUSSED THAT.

UM, SO THAT REALLY TALKS ABOUT THE, UM, TAXIWAY AND RUNWAY

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REHABILITATION PROJECTS AND STRENGTHENING PROJECTS.

WE NEED MORE AND MORE AIRCRAFT IN LARGER AIRCRAFTS.

WE NEED TO STRENGTHEN THOSE, UH, FACILITIES.

AND THEN ALSO IT WILL REIMBURSE US FOR THE PROPERTY ACQUISITIONS THAT WE'VE MADE ON HUNTER ROAD.

AND THE WAY THAT WORKS, YOU HAVE TO ACQUIRE ALL THE PROPERTIES BEFORE YOU CAN APPLY FOR THAT, THAT GRANT.

SO IT'S IN THEIR SYSTEM.

IT'S BEEN IN THEIR SYSTEM.

AND NOW WE CAN MAKE, NOW THAT WE'VE GOT THE, UH, THE FINAL PROPERTY, NOW WE CAN BEGIN THAT APPLICATION PROCESS.

SO THAT'S ANOTHER ONE OF THE, THE MAJOR ITEMS. AND THAT ONE'S GIVE OR TAKE 8 MILLION.

SO THAT WILL, YOU KNOW, REPLENISH THE COFFERS, UM, ON A, ON A COUNTY FINANCE SIDE.

AND THAT'S, THAT'S THE MONEY, CUZ YOU MAYBE REMEMBER THAT IS IT'S BASICALLY OWED TO THE COUNTY CASH POOL.

EXACTLY.

CORRECT.

AND THEN THE LAST ITEMS ARE MORE PLANNING TYPE ITEMS, BUT, BUT NO LESS IMPORTANT ONE IS THE AIRPORT LAYOUT PLAN UPDATE.

AND THEN ON THE HEELS OF THAT WOULD BE SOME OF THE ENVIRONMENTAL AND DESIGN DOCUMENTS THAT, UH, WE WILL WORK ON TO RECOVER THE DISPLACED THRESHOLDS AT HILTON HEAD.

SO THAT'S, THAT'S KIND OF WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT FOR THE NEXT FIVE YEARS AT BOTH AIRPORTS.

DOES THIS REQUIRE ANY KIND OF APPROVAL FOR US OR FROM THEA OR IT IT DOESN'T, THEY LIKE TO KNOW THAT THE GOVERNING BODY HAS SEEN IT.

THEY DON'T REQUIRE AN, AN APPROVAL.

THAT'S WHY WE TYPICALLY BRING IT FORWARD AS AN INFORMATIONAL ITEM.

AND THESE WOULD COME, WE'D SEE 'EM AGAIN NEXT TIME.

THE UPDATE FIVE YEAR PLAN AND WHEN WE'RE GONNA SPEND SOME MONEY.

ONLY 30 MILLION JOHN.

SO QUESTIONS, WE'LL BE BACK, DON'T WORRY.

GREAT.

QUESTIONS FOR, UH, JOHN COMMENTS? NOPE.

AND THEN THE LAST ONE, I APPRECIATE YOU PUTTING THAT BACK ON THE AGENDA.

THAT'S THE AMENDMENT TO THE WORK AUTHORIZATION, UH, FOR THE DESIGN AND BIDDING OF THE HILTON HEAD ISLAND AIRPORT TERMINAL.

AND THE REASON THERE'S AN AMENDMENT THERE IS BECAUSE IF YOU RECALL THE FIRST TIME WE BID THE PROJECT, UH, BACK IN THE EARLY PART OF THE SUMMER AS BIDS CAME IN VERY HIGH DUE TO THE INFLATION.

UM, AND SO WHAT WE DECIDED TO DO AS A, AS A TEAM WAS TO BASICALLY LOOK AT THAT PROJECT AND DIVIDE IT UP INTO PHASES WITH THAT FIRST PHASE, INCLUDING, UH, THE PROJECT ELEMENTS THAT WE ALREADY HAVE FUNDING FOR, ALREADY HAVE GRANT FUNDING ON BOARD FOR AND THAT WE COULD EXECUTE.

AND SO THIS AMENDMENT IS, IT'S KIND OF A TWO PART AMENDMENT.

IT'S GOT THE DESIGN COMPONENT OF IT THAT ALLOWS THE, THE ENGINEERS, THE ARCHITECTS AND ALL OF THEIR SUB-CONSULTANTS TO GO BACK THROUGH THE PROJECT AND BASICALLY TAKE THAT BUILDING APART AND FIND THOSE DIVIDING AREAS AND KIND OF WORK KIND OF BACK INTO THAT, THAT ROUGH NUMBER THAT WE'VE GOT.

UM, SO THEY'LL DO ALL OF THAT WORK, WHICH IS PRETTY COMPLICATED WORK.

AND THEN THE REST OF THAT IS REALLY THE LION'S SHARE OF THE AMENDMENT.

ABOUT HALF OF IT IS THE, UM, IT'S AN HOURLY NUMBER AND THAT IS FOR CONSTRUCTION ADMINISTRATION AND INSPECTIONS THAT'LL HAPPEN ON THAT PROJECT.

AND THE REASON THAT'S A LITTLE BIT HIGHER NOW IS BECAUSE WE'LL ACTUALLY BE EXECUTING A COUPLE OF PHASES WITHIN THAT FIRST PHASE AT THE SAME TIME.

SO WE'LL HAVE SOME SITE WORK THAT HAPPENS AT THE SAME TIME, THE COMPLICATED BILLING WORK GOES ON, AND YOU HAVE TO HAVE DIFFERENT INSPECTORS TO DO THAT.

WE WILL OBVIOUSLY TRY TO, TO MINIMIZE THAT, THAT HOURLY TIME, BUT WE'D RATHER HAVE THAT IN THE BUDGET AND NOT USE IT, WHICH WE ACTUALLY HAVE BEEN ABLE TO DO ON EVERY PROJECT SO FAR.

NOT, NOT USE ALL THAT HOURLY FUNDING, BUT WE'D RATHER HAVE IT IN THERE IN THE EVENT THAT WE ROLL INTO, YOU KNOW, DAYTIME OPERATIONS AND NIGHTTIME OPERATIONS.

YOU GET INTO, YOU KNOW, HOURS RESTRICTIONS WITH, UH, WITH LABOR LAWS AND THAT SORT OF THING.

BUT THIS JUST GIVES US THAT FLEXIBILITY TO FULLY EXECUTE THAT, UH, THAT PROJECT ONCE WE DO BID THAT AND, AND BEGIN THE CONSTRUCTION.

SO, UH, QUESTIONS, COMMENTS FOR JOHN? NO, UHUH, ANYBODY ONLINE? SO WE NEED A FORMAL, UM, MOTION.

MOTION TO RECOMMEND.

YEAH, THIS'LL HAVE TO GO TO COUNCIL AS WELL.

ALL THESE ITEMS DISCUSSED, THEY WILL COME TO COUNCIL IN JANUARY.

SO DO WE KNOW EXACTLY HOW YOU WANT IT WORDED? UH, LET'S SEE.

IT WOULD BE CONTRACT, IT'S A TOWER.

BRIGHT ELLINGTON WORK AUTHORIZATION 20 19, 19 0 5 AMENDMENT ONE TWO COUNTY COUNCIL WITH A RECOMMENDATION TO APPROVE.

I WILL MOVE THAT RECOMMENDATION.

IS THERE A SECOND? I SECOND.

BUT MY, MY SENSE IN LISTENING TO IT WAS THAT, UM, THEY HAVE THIS POT OF MONEY, I GUESS IT'S 60 MILLION, UH, SOME OF IT IS CARVED OUT FOR POSSIBILITY OF THE FUTURE AIRPORT, A LITTLE BIT LESS TO ALLOCATE ON THE FIRST GO ROUND, BUT IN BASICALLY YOU AND YOUR FIVE COMPATRIOTS WILL GET TO MAKE THE RECOMMENDATION, UM, AS TO HOW TO DIVVY UP THE MONEY, IF I UNDERSTAND THAT CORRECTLY.

YOUR YORK SECONDS.

UH, ANY FURTHER COMMENTS? UH, I JUST HAVE ONE OR TWO.

UH, THE BACKGROUND ON WHY WE TOOK THIS OFF WAS THAT I HAD GOTTEN A CALL FROM AN ESPOSITO WHO IS OUR REPRESENTATIVE FOR THE FIRST CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICT ON THE COMMISSION.

AND SHE RELAYED TO ME A LITTLE BIT OF THE MEETING THAT MEETINGS THAT YOU'VE HAD AND VERY COMPLIMENTARY OF JOHN AND HOW HE, HOW HE DEFENDS US IN ALL OF THAT.

UM, UM,

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OH, THAT'S DEFINITELY NOT THE EASY PART.

NOT THE EASY PART.

THEY TELL ME YOU'RE DOING A GOOD JOB.

UM, BUT IT SOUNDED LIKE THAT THEY WANT TO HAVE A SUBMISSION KIND OF ALONG THE LINES OF A GRANT, UM, TYPE OF THING.

AND THAT WOULD BE DUE, I GUESS, NEAT NEXT WEEK SOMETIME.

AND THEN THEY WERE SCHEDULING A MEETING THREE WEEKS OUT TO ACTUALLY MAKE THE DECISION.

AND IT SOUNDED LIKE TO ME THAT ONE OF THEIR CONCERNS WAS WHETHER OR NOT THINGS WERE SHOVEL READY OR ONE OF THE CONSIDERATIONS.

AND SOME OF THE FOLKS EVEN SUGGESTED THAT WE AS LITTLE BU TO GET A BIGGER SHARE.

SO WHAT I WAS CONCERNED ABOUT WAS THAT IF PART OF THE CRITERIA IS SHOVEL READY AND WE'RE GOING BACK AND WE DID IT, WOULD SOMEBODY BE MAKING AN ARGUMENT THAT, WELL, WAIT A MINUTE, BUFORD'S NOT SHOVEL READY AFTER ALL, AND THEREFORE IT WOULD BE A TOUGHER NEGOTIATING POSITION FOR YOU WITH YOUR COMPATRIOTS.

SO THAT WAS THE ONLY REASON FOR ALL.

YEAH, MAYBE I DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT WELL.

BUT IS THAT A CONCERN AT ALL OR SHOULD THAT BE A CONCERN TO US IN THE NEXT THREE WEEKS AS YOU NEGOTIATE THE DOLLAR AMOUNT? I DON'T, I DON'T THINK IT IS.

AND JUST TO CLARIFY A LITTLE BIT, IT WAS THE, THE AMOUNT STARTING OUT WAS 50 MILLION AND THEN 20% WAS PEEL OFF FOR THOSE OTHER ITEMS. SO WE'RE DOWN TO 40 MILLION AND WE'RE ARM WRESTLING OVER THAT BETWEEN THE SIX COMMERCIAL AIRPORTS.

AND AS YOU CAN IMAGINE, THERE'S SOME REAL HEAVYWEIGHTS IN THE ROOM WITH, WITH CHARLESTON, UH, GREENVILLE, SPARTANBURG, COLUMBIA, AND, AND MYRTLE BEACH, OTHERWISE KNOWN AS THE BIG FOUR.

WHEN YOU'RE NOT IN THE BIG FOUR, UM, YOU'RE FIGHTING UP A MIGHT MUD HILL TO GET SOME OF THAT FUNDING.

SO, UM, WE'VE BEEN WORKING PRETTY HARD TO GET OUR OUR SHARE OF THAT FUNDING BECAUSE WE'VE GOT IMMEDIATE NEEDS FOR THAT FUNDING AND WE HAVE CHALLENGES THAT OTHER AIRPORTS DON'T FACE.

UH, AND WE HAVE, UH, WE DON'T HAVE SOME OF THE BENEFITS THE OTHER AIRPORTS HAVE, BUT I I DON'T THINK THERE'S A RISK OF BEING CONSIDERED NOT SHOVEL READY, PARTICULARLY IN, UH, IN LIGHT OF THE COMPETITION THAT WE'LL HAVE FOR THOSE GRANTS BECAUSE WHICHEVER WAY WE SLICE IT, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO REBID THAT PROJECT.

UM, AND I DON'T THINK THAT THAT WE'LL BE LOOKED AT AS BEING NOT SHOVEL READY CUZ WE'LL BE ABLE TO EXECUTE THAT PROJECT WITHIN A MATTER OF MONTHS.

UH, YOU KNOW, ONCE WE GET INTO THAT BID PHASE AND THROUGH IT THAT SATISFIES THAT CONCERN.

UH, ROUGHLY WHAT IS THE TIME DO YOU THINK THAT GO BACK AFTER BID AFTER WE GO THROUGH THIS REDESIGN, THESE PACKAGING? I THINK THAT ROUGHLY SPEAKING, WE SHOULD BE BIDDING THIS IN THE, SHOULD BE THIS WINTER OR VERY EARLY SPRING.

BUT THAT'S WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE NOW.

AND HAVE WE GIVING THEM A BOGIE AS TO WHAT WOULD BE THE DOLLAR AMOUNT THAT THEY WOULD TRY TO FRAME INTO THE FIRST PHASE? WELL, IT'S BEEN THAT THAT SAME NUMBER WE'VE, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IN THE MEETINGS AND IT'S A LITTLE BIT ROUGH, SO THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE BEING A LITTLE BIT CONSERVATIVE ON THAT.

BUT, UH, AND AGAIN, WE DO HAVE OTHER GRANT APPLICATIONS THAT ARE OUT THERE AT THIS TIME SO THAT WE'VE ASKED THE, UH, THE TEAM TO MAKE SURE THEY PUT THE, THE PLAN TOGETHER SUCH THAT THERE ARE, UM, YOU KNOW, ADDITIONAL ITEMS THAT CAN BE ADDED TO THAT BID.

SO SHOULD WE RECEIVE ADDITIONAL FEDERAL FUNDING, WHICH WE HAVE APPLIED FOR, THEN WE COULD ADD TO THAT CONSTRUCTION SCOPE.

SO WE'VE, WE'VE PROTECTED OURSELF THAT WAY.

IS THE 12 MILLION THAT THIS GENERAL ASSEMBLY APPROVED, IS THAT IN THE OUR IT IS.

AND PROVIDE AN UPDATE ON ALL THE ABOVE.

GOOD.

YOU'VE ANSWERED MY QUESTIONS.

YOU ALL WOULD DO ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? OKAY.

UH, THIS HAS BEEN MOTIONED AND, UH, SECONDED.

UM, IS THERE ANY OBJECTION TO PROCEEDING FORWARD WITH THIS HEARING? NONE THIS STANDS APPROVED TO WITHOUT OBJECTION.

THANK YOU JOHN, AS ALWAYS.

THANK YOU AGAIN.

OKAY, NEXT

[13. RECOMMEND APPROVAL TO NEGOTIATE AND FINALIZE A CONTRACT WITH THE GREEN MACHINE FOR THE PURCHASE OF MATERIALS RECOVERY FACILITY EQUIPMENT - MRF (FISCAL IMPACT: $2,597,700.00)]

ITEM IS NUMBER 13.

THIS IS, UH, A RECYCLING FACILITY, IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY.

THAT IS CORRECT.

SO, UM, THIS A BIG STEP.

THAT'S RIGHT.

WE'RE, WE'RE MOVING FORWARD.

WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT IT A LONG TIME.

I KNOW EVERYBODY'S ANXIOUS AS WE ARE, UH, TO GET FORWARD ON THE, THE MERF, THE MATERIAL RECOVERY FACILITY.

UM, I HAVE DAVE WILHELM, HE'S THE DEPUTY PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR, UH, TO TALK ABOUT THIS.

HE'LL ALSO, IN ADDITION TO TALKING ABOUT THE EQUIPMENT AND THE CONTRACT FOR THAT, WHICH IS ON THE AGENDA FOR, UM, A RECOMMENDATION, UM, OTHER UPDATES THAT ARE WE'RE TAKING AND THAT ARE, THAT ARE GOING ON CURRENTLY INSIDE SOLID WASTE AND RECYCLING, WHICH IS NOW HOUSED INSIDE OF PUBLIC WORK.

SO DAVE, IF YOU CAN COME UP

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GOOD AFTERNOON.

UH, THE ITEM, UH, NEIL'S OUTTA THE OFFICE TODAY.

THAT'S WHY I'M PINCHING FOR NEIL.

UH, THE ITEM IS FOR PURCHASING, UH, PROCESSING EQUIPMENT FOR THE MATERIAL RECOVERY FACILITY OR THE MERF.

UM, AS YOU CAN SEE ON THE AIS FORM, UH, IT'S A QUALIFIED RECOMMENDATION.

UH, WE'RE, UH, RECOMMENDING MOVING FORWARD TO NEGOTIATE A CONTRACT TO PURCHASE THE EQUIPMENT FOR THE MERF.

I'LL GIVE AN UPDATE ON WHERE WE ARE WITH THE ACTUAL MERF ITSELF A LITTLE BIT LATER, BUT THIS IS STRICTLY FOR THE PROCESSING EQUIPMENT.

THE REASON WE WANT TO DO THIS IS WE WANNA TRY TO SECURE THE PRICING.

UM, SO THIS IS, UH, IF YOU COULD TURN TO PAGE 49 ON THE, THERE IT IS.

I THINK THE EASIEST WAY TO DESCRIBE WHAT THIS IS, SO I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO POINT OUT, THIS IS A MATERIAL RECOVERY FACILITY FOR RECYCLABLE MATERIALS.

THERE WILL BE NO TRASH COMING THIS FACILITY.

UM, AND WHAT'S SHOWN ON THE SCREEN IS A PICTURE OF THE PROPOSED SYSTEM.

UM, IT'S A VERY COMPLETE SYSTEM.

A BRIEF DESCRIPTION OF IT STARTING FROM THE RIGHT HAND, UH, CORNER, IS THAT IN FEED CONVEYOR, UM, THERE'S A METERING, UH, DEVICE TO, TO KIND OF LEVEL OUT THE MATERIALS GOING THROUGH THE PROCESS.

UH, THERE'S A CARDBOARD SEPARATOR, A POLISHING SCREEN, UH, SEVERAL MAGNETS, CROSS BELT MAGNETS PLOT, ALL THE FERRIS FAIREST MATERIAL, THE TIN AND THE STEEL, UH, ANY CURRENT SEPARATOR PULL OUT THE ALUMINUM AND IT ALL GOES TO A, UH, DUAL RAMP BALER AT THE END.

SO IT'S A VERY COMPLETE SYSTEM.

UH, THERE ARE SOME ADD-ONS THAT GREEN MACHINE OFFERS, UH, OPTICAL SORTING AND ROBOTIC SORTING.

THIS SYSTEM, EVEN THOUGH IT HAS A LOT OF AUTOMATION, IS ALSO VERY LABOR INTENSIVE.

UH, FOR SORTING, THERE'S, UH, STATIONS FOR ABOUT EIGHT TO 10, UH, SORTERS ON THERE, MOSTLY FOR PLASTIC, BUT THERE IS AN OPTION AT A LATER DATE IF WE WANT TO ADD SOME MORE AUTOMATED CAPABILITIES.

UM, IN FACT, IF YOU TURN TO PAGE 47, I THINK THAT WILL HELP US.

THAT'S A KIND OF A PLAN VIEW OF THE SITE AND THAT'S IMPORTANT TO SHOW HOW IT FITS INSIDE THE BUILDING.

SO THAT SHOWS IS KIND OF A PLAN VIEW OF HOW THE EQUIPMENT IS LAID OUT.

AND WHAT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTICE ON THIS SLIDE IS THE DIMENSION.

SO IT'S ROUGHLY 200 BY 100 FEET, WHICH IS A 20,000 SQUARE FOOT AREA.

SO WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A MURF, UH, WE'VE GOTTA SIZE THE BUILDING ABOUT 30 TO 40,000 SQUARE FEET.

UH, THIS IS 20,000 SQUARE FEET IS WHAT WE NEED FOR THE, UH, PROCESS EQUIPMENT ITSELF.

BUT IT DOESN'T HAVE ROOM FOR THE TIPPING FLOOR OR BA STORED, SO WE NEED SOMETHING A LITTLE BIT LARGER.

UM, GREEN MACHINE HAS BEEN MAKING RECYCLING SYSTEMS FOR ABOUT 10 YEARS.

UH, THEIR MAIN OFFICE IS IN NEW YORK, THEIR MANUFACTURING FACILITIES IN NEW HAMPSHIRE, AND I WANNA RECOGNIZE VICTORIA HOFFMAN.

AND SHE ACTUALLY ATTENDED SOME, UH, CONFERENCES AND MET GREEN MACHINE.

I HAD NOT HEARD OF THEM BEFORE, SO SHE TALKED TO THEM AND, AND ASKED THEM TO, UH, SUBMIT A PROPOSAL.

I DON'T THINK WE WOULD'VE GOTTEN THEIR PROPOSAL WITHOUT, WITHOUT HER HELP.

SO, VERY GOOD SYSTEM.

UM, I VISITED ONE OF THE PLANTS AND SAW IT OPERATING, AND IT'S A FIRST CLASS.

SO IT'S OUR STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION TO EXECUTE A CONTRACT WITH GREEN MACHINE, AGAIN, WITH CONTINGENCIES, UH, TO SECURE THE CURRENT PRICING.

AND THE CONTINGENCIES ARE, WE WILL NOT MOVE FORWARD UNLESS THE PROJECT ITSELF MOVES FORWARD.

UNLESS THE PROJECT IS WHAT? I'M SORRY FOR THE MATERIAL RECOVERY FACILITY.

SO THIS IS FOR THE PROCESSING EQUIPMENT INSIDE THE FACILITY.

IT'S, IT'S CONTINGENT ON THE WHOLE PROJECT GOING FORWARD, RIGHT? MM-HMM.

, THIS IS JUST LOCKING UP THE, UH, THE EQUIPMENT ITSELF.

ITSELF.

YEP.

WHAT WOULD GET IN THE WAY OF THE PROJECT GOING FORWARD? UM, I CAN GIVE A QUICK UPDATE ON, ON WHERE WE ARE FOR THE MERF.

UM, SO OUR PREFERRED LOCATION IS THE SIMMONS ROAD, UH, DROP OFF CENTER.

UH, THAT'S THE SITE IN BLUFFTON, IT'S CORNER SIMMONS ROAD AND BLUFFTON PARKWAY.

UH, THE SITE ITSELF, THE ACTIVE SITE IS ABOUT SEVEN ACRES.

THERE'S ABOUT AN ACRE BEHIND THE CURRENT OPERATION THAT'S AVAILABLE.

THIS FACILITY, WHEN IT'S FINALLY DESIGNED, WILL NEED MUCH MORE AREA THAN THAT.

UH, WE'VE GOTTA HAVE ROADS COMING IN.

WE HAVE TO HAVE A SCALE, OBVIOUSLY THE BUILDING.

UM, SO WE NEED TO ACQUIRE ADDITIONAL ACREAGE.

IT'S ABOUT A 2.65 ACRE BEHIND IT.

AND THEN THERE'S ALSO SOME ADDITIONAL ACREAGE THAT'S NEEDED.

UH, THAT'S PART OF THE ROLE AND CRITICAL LAND SWAP.

SO WE NEED TO WORK THROUGH A LOT MORE DETAILS ON THAT PROCESS.

UH, BEFORE WE'RE READY TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION, WE DO HAVE SOME MEETINGS SCHEDULED INTERNALLY WITH STAFF TO TRY TO MAKE SOME, UH, OH, MAKE SOME MORE DECISIONS ON THAT BEFORE WE BECOME THE COMMITTEE OR COUNCIL WITH A FINAL RECOMMENDATION ON THAT SITE.

DO I DO THE MOTION? NO, WE HAVE TO DO THE MOTION.

LOOK FOR A MOTION.

I'LL MAKE THE MOTION SECOND YOUR SECONDS.

OPEN IT FOR DISCUSSION QUESTIONS.

MR. CHAIR? CHRIS? YES.

UH, GOOD AFTERNOON DAVE.

THANKS FOR THE PRESENTATION.

AS ALWAYS.

TWO QUESTIONS.

ONE IS EVEN WHERE WE ARE WITH THE WAY TO

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FIREWORKS.

WHY NOT MOVE FORWARD WITH THE AUTOMATION NOW? AND THEN NUMBER TWO, WHAT SORT OF, UM, INFLATION ARE WE SEEING ON MACHINERY LIKE THIS, AND HOW TIME SENSITIVE IS THIS? THAT'S MORE OF A CURIOSITY QUESTION THAN ANYTHING.

UM, VERY GOOD QUESTION ON THE FIRST ONE.

I, I AGREE WITH YOU.

THE SORTING EQUIPMENT, UH, THE OPTICAL SORT, THE IBOS ARE, UH, RELATIVELY PRICEY.

THEY'RE IN A HALF MILLION, $750,000 RANGE.

UH, IF FUNDING'S AVAILABLE, WE CAN CERTAINLY, UH, MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT AND INCLUDE THAT IN THE ORIGINAL OR IN INITIAL PURCHASE.

UH, I THINK WHAT WE HAVE TO DO IS KIND OF TAKE A STEP BACK AND LOOK AT THE PROJECT IN ITS ENTIRETY, UM, TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE FUNDING FOR THE PROPERTY PURCHASE, UM, THE BUILDING, THE SITE WORK DESIGN, AND THEN HAVE THIS PROCESSING EQUIPMENT.

WE CAN ADD IT IN AT ANY TIME.

UM, SO THIS GETS US THE BASE SYSTEM.

IF FUNDING'S AVAILABLE FOR THE TOTAL PROJECT TO ADD THAT AUTOMATED EQUIPMENT, I WOULD ABSOLUTELY LOVE TO DO THAT INITIALLY TOO.

AND THAT'S A VERY GOOD POINT ABOUT LABOR.

EVERYBODY'S EXPERIENCING THAT EVERYWHERE, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO FIND A QUALIFIED LABOR.

AND AS FAR AS INCREASES, MOST OF THIS, I THINK ALL OF THIS MATERIAL OR EQUIPMENT IS GOING TO BE STEEL.

STEEL PRICES HAVE INCREASED FAIRLY DRAMATICALLY.

THEY STABLED OUT A LITTLE BIT RECENTLY, BUT WE JUST WANT TRY TO MOVE FORWARD AND SECURE THIS JUST TO, UM, YOU KNOW, MAKE SURE WE HAVE, UH, TRY TO BEAT INFLATION IF WE CAN.

OTHER QUESTIONS? SO YOU GO BACK TO THE CONTINGENCY.

IF WE APPROVE THE LAND SWAP THAT WE HAVE BEFORE COUNCIL, NOW, DOES THAT MAKE THE PROJECT TO GO AT THAT POINT? FOR US, THAT'S A PIECE OF IT.

THAT'S A PIECE OF IT.

WE STILL HAVE TO ACQUIRE ADDITIONAL PARCEL.

THERE'S A 2.65 ACRE IN BETWEEN, AND THEN WE OBVIOUSLY HAVE TO, UH, FIND THE TOTAL FUNDING, FUNDING FOR THE PROJECT.

ON THE, ON THE AIS FORM, IT IDENTIFIES THE FUNDING SOURCE TO PURCHASE THE EQUIPMENT, BUT WE DO NOT HAVE A FUNDING SOURCE FOR THE ENTIRE PROJECT.

SO IF, IF THE PROJECT TOOK SIX MONTHS MM-HMM.

, WE WOULD BASICALLY GREEN THEMSELVES WOULD WANT SOME KIND OF A PRICE ADJUSTMENT, I SAY, WELL, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE HOPING TO NEGOTIATE AND WE DON'T HAVE A CONTRACT YET.

WE'RE, WE WANT TO PRESENT THIS TO COMMITTEE FIRST BEFORE WE'VE REACHED OUT TO GREEN MACHINE AND, AND TALKED TO THEM.

OTHER COMMENTS, QUESTIONS? MM-HMM.

SO WHAT WE'D LIKE TO DO IS, IS GET APPROVAL TO NEGOTIATE, REACH OUT TO GREEN MACHINE.

WE'RE INTERESTED IN YOUR PRODUCT.

UM, THEY'RE AWARE OF THE CURRENT STATUS OF THE MERF AND YOU KNOW, IT'S A LITTLE BIT OF A FLUID SITUATION AND WE'RE HOPING WE CAN GET A, AT LEAST SOME KIND OF COMMITMENT FROM THEM TO SECURE THE PRICING.

MY GUESS IS THEY'LL COUNTER WITH THAT AND SAY WE WANT, IF IT'S SIX MONTHS, IF IT'S EIGHT MONTHS, WE WANT SOME KIND OF PROTECTION.

BUT WE, BEFORE WE REACHED OUT TO THEM, WE WANTED TO PRESENT THIS FIRST, I, I WOULD THINK WE'D BE ACTUALLY BETTER SERVED TO, WELL.

AWESOME.

I'M SORRY TO, TO ACTUALLY GO AHEAD AND PROVE THE COUNCIL THE BUYING OF A CONTINGENCY HAS APPROVED TO JUST THE ABILITY TO NEGOTIATE.

I THINK THAT WOULD GIVE YOU A STRONGER NEGOTIATING STANDPOINT.

ABSOLUTELY.

IF WE ARE 100% CERTAIN WE'RE GONNA BE MOVING FORWARD WITH A MATERIAL RECOVERY FACILITY, WOULD WOULD LOVE TO DO THAT.

WE'LL LEAVE THAT TO YOU AND ERIC I NEED RIGHT NOW, BUT AIR OKAY.

, YOU OKAY WITH THAT, ERIC? I'M, AS LONG AS Y'ALL MAKE A MOTION TO THAT FORWARD, I'M HAPPY WITH THAT.

I GOT ABOUT NINE MINUTES AND I'M THE VERY LAST ITEM.

REAL QUICK, UH, ANY OBJECTIONS TO THIS MR. CHRIS? UH, NOT AN OBJECTION.

I OFFER AN AMENDMENT THAT WE DIRECT STAFF TO LOCATE THE FUNDING FOR THE AUTOMATION AS WELL.

YEAH, I THINK THAT GO WITHOUT SAYING, I THINK IT MAKES SENSE.

YEP.

ABSOLUTELY.

IT'S OKAY WITH YOU CHRIS.

WE'LL JUST ASSUME THAT THAT'S PART OF WHAT WE'RE GONNA BRING FORWARD TO COUNSEL, THAT COMPLETE PACKAGE.

UH, THAT ONE CAN STAND APPROVED, UH, WITHOUT OBJECTION.

UH, AND SO WE ONLY GOT NINE MINUTES LEFT.

LET'S SEE WHICH ONE WE GOT HERE

[14. RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF AN ORDINANCE AUTHORIZING THE CONVEYANCE OF COUNTY-OWNED REAL PROPERTY LOCATED AT 108 CLEAR WATER WAY TO SCDOT FOR A DEDICATED RIGHT TURN LANE ON GROBER HILL ROAD]

RIGHT AWAY.

ISSUE, WHICH SHOULD BE YOU THAT YOU ALL CAN MAKE WITHOUT ANY PRESENTATION FROM STAFF.

ITEM IS THE SCOTT CENTER SITUATION.

I'LL MAKE THE MOTION TO APPROVE THE ORDINANCE.

THAT STANDS APPROVED WITHOUT DISCRETION OR OBJECTION.

AND SINCE WE NEED AIR HURRY UP IN YOUR EIGHT MINUTES, SIR.

SO, UH, THIS NEXT

[15. DISCUSSION CONCERNING THE SCOTT CENTER LEASE AND REQUESTED FACILITY IMPROVEMENTS]

THIS IS A HISTORIC ISSUE, UH,

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FOR MIA'S, UM, UM, COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR AND PROBABLY PREVIOUS COUNTY ADMINISTRATORS.

UH, WE DO NOT OWN THE PROPERTY THAT SCOTT CENTER SITS UPON.

UH, THERE WAS A CONCESSION STAND OUT THERE THAT WAS DAMAGED IN A PREVIOUS STORM.

UH, THE FOLKS THAT, UM, WE, UM, ENGAGE WITH ON THE SCOTT CENTER HAVE ASKED FOR THAT CONCESSION STAND TO BE REMOVED.

WE HAVE SCHEDULED THAT WORK MANY, MANY TIMES TO REMOVE THE CONCESSION STAND ONLY TO BE TOLD HOLD UP.

WE DON'T WANT YOU TO MOVE IT UNTIL THE COUNTY COMMITS TO REBUILDING IT.

WE HAVE A LEASE ON THE PROPERTY THAT ESSENTIALLY SAYS THAT IF WE DO ANY IMPROVEMENTS, THAT GIVES US THE RIGHT TO DO THE IMPROVEMENTS.

UM, BUT IF WE DO IMPROVEMENTS AND THE LEASE GOES AWAY, THEN THOSE IMPROVEMENTS REMAIN ON THE PROPERTY.

SO, AND WE'RE NOT SURE AT THIS POINT THAT THE LEASE IS EVEN IN EFFECT ON THE PROPERTY AT THIS POINT.

SO I'M HERE BEFORE YOU ALL TODAY JUST TO LET YOU ALL KNOW THAT SITUATION.

IF YOU ALL WANT ME TO REBUILD A CONCESSION STAND ON A PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT WE DO NOT OWN, THAT WE MAY OR MAY NOT HAVE A LEASE ON, UH, I AM HAPPY TO PROCEED WITH THE, WITH THAT, UH, CONSTRUCTION.

BUT I'M NOT GONNA SPEND MONEY ON PROPERTY THAT WE DO NOT OWN WITHOUT YOU ALL WEIGHING IN ON AND TELLING ME WHAT YOUR DESIRE WOULD BE AS A COUNTY COUNCIL.

IT WOULD BE, WE HAD THE SAME ISSUE WITH A BOAT LANDING NOT LONG AGO THAT HAD A BIG HOLE IN THE MIDDLE OF, UM, SAME SITUATION.

WE DON'T HAVE A WRITTEN AGREEMENT WITH ANYONE.

WE DON'T HAVE, WE DIDN'T HAVE AN AGREEMENT ON THAT BOAT LANDING.

UH, WE DO HAVE A LEASE IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE THAT SAYS WE CAN MAKE IMPROVEMENTS TO THE PROPERTY, UH, IF WE WANT TO.

UH, BUT I JUST WANT COUNSEL TO BE AWARE THAT IF WE DO, AND THAT BE THAT LEASE IS NOT VALID, NO LONGER IN EFFECT OR TERMINATES, THEN THE PUBLIC BENEFIT MAY BE TEMPORARY FOR THE PROPERTY, WHICH IS, UM, WHICH IS SOMETHING YOU ALL NEED TO GIVE ME SOME ADVICE ON.

I CERTAINLY BELIEVE WE HAVE TO A, HAVE OUR COUNTY ATTORNEYS TAKE A LOOK AT THE CURRENT LEASE.

IF THAT IS DAMAGED AND WE ARE A LEASING A DAMAGED PIECE OF PROPERTY, I DON'T KNOW THE VALIDITY OF THE LEASE, AND WE SHOULD NOT BE SPENDING TAXPAYER DOLLARS ON IMPROVEMENTS TO PROPERTY WE DON'T OWN OR MAY NEVER OWN.

AND THIS THING THAT YOU SEE ON THE SCREEN IS THE, UH, EXPENDITURES THAT WE'VE DONE OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS.

UH, OUT THERE.

HOW MUCH YOU LOOKING AT TO UPGRADE THE $17,000 TO REBUILD THE CONCESSION STAND? OR WE COULD WORK WITH THE PROPERTY OWNERS INSTEAD OF BUILDING A PERMANENT CONCESSION STAND, YOU KNOW, BRING IN A PORTABLE CONCESSION STAND THAT COULD BE MOVED AROUND.

WHERE, WHERE IS THIS? THIS IS SCOTT CENTER, UM, ON ST.

HALL ISLAND.

IN COUNCIL MEMBER, UH, GLOVER'S DISTRICT SPEAK TO THAT.

THANK YOU, SIR.

UM, THERE, THERE IS A LEASE.

ARE YOU SAYING THAT, THAT THERE IS NOT A LEASE OR THERE IS A LEASE? WHICH ONE? THERE'S THREE LEASES.

SO THE, SO THE CONCESSION STAND THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IS UNDER A LEASE AT THIS TIME? IT'S UNDER A LEASE THAT, BASED ON MY LATEST INFORMATION THIS AFTERNOON EXPIRED IN 2010 AND HAS NOT BEEN RENEWED.

HOW MANY LEASES DO WE HAVE ON THE PROPERTY? DID THREE AND THE THREE LEASE, HOW MANY IS ACTUALLY GOOD? UH, MR. LAR ONE, TWO, THEY WERE INQUIRING OUR RECORDS DO NOT SHOW THAT THE LEASES HAVE BEEN RENEWED AND THAT WAS BEING ASKED OF BY THE LANDLORD.

SO, SO MY, MY QUESTION IS, THERE'S THREE LEASES THAT WAS EXECUTED AND MR. GREENWAY NOW IS SAYING THAT THE ONE THAT THE PROPERTY IS ON NOW IS NOT, HAS NOT BEEN RENEWED SINCE 2010.

THAT IS THE ONLY ONE THAT I HAVE.

YES, THAT IS, THAT IS THE INFORMATION I'VE BEEN GIVEN.

WE HAVE A LEASE ON THE ONLY LEASE THAT WE HAVE OUT THERE THAT'S VALID.

I MEAN, GETTING THE INFORMATION FROM WHOM, HMM.

WHO ARE YOU GETTING FROM STAFF THAT HANDLED THIS FOR ME? UM, THE ONLY LEASE WE HAVE OUT THERE THAT'S VALID AND IT GOES THROUGH 2024.

2025 IS THE LEASE ON THE ACTUAL BUILDING.

UM, WHICH IS THE SCOTT CENTER PROPER.

THAT AN AUTOMATIC RENEWAL LANGUAGE IN A LEASE LIKE THAT IS SUFFICIENT WITHOUT, WITHOUT NEW COUNSELS VOTING TO DO THE EXTENSION.

BECAUSE WE DO NOT HAVE A VALID LEASE WHO, IS THERE A CLAUSE IN THERE THAT IT WILL BE AUTOMATIC RENEWED OR WHAT, HOW YOU SAY THAT? IF YOU, IF I MEAN, WELL, I DON'T WELL, YOU HAVE LEASES ALL THE TIME.

YEAH, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW

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AND THAT, THAT'S, I THINK THAT'S A PART OF THE PROBLEM.

I DON'T KNOW THAT COUNSEL HAS EVER VOTED TO RENEW THE LEASE SINCE 2010.

I GOT YOU.

NOW AT THE SAME TIME YOU HAVE A LEASE AND, UM, I'M ASSUMING THAT THERE'S AN AUTOMATIC PROVISION IN THERE, BUT IF IT'S NOT, UM, MOST LEASES WOULD HAVE THAT ON THERE IF, OR YOU MAY HAVE A LEASE TO SAY THAT, UM, IF EITHER PARTY DESIRE NOT TO RENEW IT MM-HMM.

, UM, THEY WILL NOTIFY THE, THE, THE OTHER PERSON THAT THIS IS NOT GONNA BE RENEWED OR WE DO NOT DESIRE.

HAS THAT EVER OCCURRED FROM EITHER PARTY? NO.

I KNOW WE'VE NEVER PUT ANYTHING IN WRITING AND SAY WE'RE NOT GONNA RENEW IT.

AND I DON'T THINK, I'M ASSUMING THAT THEY HAVE NOT DONE THAT EITHER.

NO, THEY HAVE NOT.

UM, SO THE ASSUMPTION IS THAT WE ARE LEASING A PROPERTY TO THE COUNTY.

THE COUNTY HAS A LEASE THAT PROPERTY, WHETHER IT'S BEEN VALID OR NOT, IT'S JUST A MATTER MATTER OF US REC RECTIFYING THAT AT THIS TIME.

I DON'T THINK THAT COMMUNITY HAS A DESIRE TO NOT RENEW THE LEASE.

I DON'T THINK SO.

NOW, I MAY BE WRONG.

WELL, THEY, BUT IF, HAVE THEY SAID TO YOU THAT THEY HAVE A DESIRE NOT TO RENEW? THERE HAS BEEN SOME INDICATIONS FROM SOME PEOPLE INVOLVED WITH THE SCOTT CENTER THAT THEY DON'T LIKE THE WAY THE COUNTY'S HANDLING THE PROPERTY AND THEY WILL NOT, YOU KNOW, THEY WANT TO TAKE IT BACK OVER THAT AND YEAH.

IS THAT, IS THAT NOW I'VE HEARD SIMILAR IN A PUBLIC MEETING.

I DON'T ACCEPT THAT.

I, I ACCEPT A, A A A SIGN SAYING, WELL, I CAN'T AN AGREEMENT LETTER OR SOMETHING FROM THE, BUT I CAN'T, I CAN'T AS A COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR VOTE TO EXPEND PUBLIC MONEY ON A PIECE OF PROPERTY WHERE SOMEBODY'S THREATENING THAT, HEY, YOU KNOW, WE MAY TERMINATE THE LEASE WITH YOU.

DID THAT COME FROM ANY OF THE OFFICERS? IT CAME FROM PEOPLE THAT WERE ASSOCIATED WITH THE NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO.

I CAN SAY THAT IN THE PUBLIC AND I CAN BE A PART OF, JUST LIKE I'M ON COUNCIL, I CAN SAY THINGS ON COUNCIL, BUT THERE HAVE BEEN UNTIL THIS COUNCIL SAYS, SO YES, THERE HAVE TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION.

THERE HAVE BEEN, UM, STATEMENTS MADE BY PEOPLE THAT ARE OFFICERS WITH THE SCOTT CENTER OFFICERS.

THEY, THEY PLAY A ROLE WITH THE SCOTT CENTER.

WHOA, WHOA.

AND, UM, HAVE, AND OFFICERS NOW THEY'RE PART OF THAT COMMUNITY.

NO, THESE ARE FOLKS THAT I'VE MET WITH, WELL, MR. MILLER IN THE ROOM WHO'S BASICALLY SAID, WELL, THE COUNTY'S NOT GONNA DO WHAT WE WANT TO DO ON THE PROPERTY.

WE SHOULD JUST TAKE IT BACK OVER AND OPERATE IT OURSELVES.

NOW THESE ARE FOLKS THAT MR. MILLER HAS BROUGHT TO TO MEETINGS WITH ME.

I MISS YEAH.

I, AND I'M NOT, AND I'M NOT TRYING TO MAKE THAT AN ISSUE RIGHT NOW.

YOU'RE ASKING ME THE QUESTION, I'M TRYING TO ANSWER THE QUESTION FOR YOU, BUT I CAN, I CAN, I CAN THAT ALLEG THAT STATEMENT HAS BEEN MADE SURE, ON MORE THAN ONE OCCASION TO US, THERE IS THESE YOUNG MAN SOCIAL CLUB THAT WE ARE DEALING WITH MM-HMM.

AND THE LADIES UNION.

AND I, I KNOW THE PRESIDENT FOR OF BOTH OF THEM.

AND THEY HAVE NOT EXPRESSED TO ME THAT THEY HAVE NO DESIRE TO CONTINUE THIS, THIS ARRANGEMENT.

IT SERVED AS A, AS A, AS A BENEFIT FOR THE COMMUNITY.

FOR RECREATION AT THIS TIME FOR THE COUNTY.

UM, I THINK IN THE HEAT OF PASSION, PEOPLE SAY ALL KINDS OF STUFF AND THAT MAY BE THE CASE, BUT AGAIN, AS COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR, I CAN'T OBLIGATE COUNTY FUNDS.

EVEN IF THEY'RE STAYING IN THE HEAT OF PASSION.

YOU KNOW, I GOTTA, THAT'S THE REASON WHY I'M BEFORE Y'ALL TODAY TO GET COMFORT WITH YOU ALL TO MR. CHAIRMAN MOVING FORWARD WITH SPENDING $17,000 ON THIS PROPERTY, UH, TO, TO RESTORE THE, UH, CONCESSION STAND BECAUSE I KNOW THAT THAT COMMUNITY IS GOING TO CONTINUE THE LEASE ON THIS PROPERTY AND STUFF.

AND THAT AND ANY OTHER LEASE THAT WE HAVE THAT'S OUTDATED, WE NEED TO GO AHEAD AND GO, NEED TO GO AHEAD AND GO AHEAD AND RECTIFY THAT.

NOW, I WOULD PREFER US TO DO THAT BEFORE WE, WE, WE MOVE FORWARD TO MAKE SURE, AND I THINK BECAUSE WE DO NOT HAVE A CURRENT LEASE, WE HAVE THREE LEASES THAT AT ONE TIME WAS INITIATED.

WHY DON'T WE GO AHEAD AND MAKE IT ONE LEASE TO MOVE FORWARD AND HAVE THE YOUNG MAN'S SOCIAL CLUB AT THE COUNTY GOVERNMENT COME TO AN AGREEMENT WITH A LEASE NULLIFY THE REST OF IT AND THEN MOVE FORWARD.

I'M, WE CAN HAVE THAT.

I'M GRATEFUL.

CAUSE I DON'T THINK, YEAH, THAT'S, THE COMMUNITY ISN'T WANTING TO TAKE ON THE RECREATION MAINTENANCE OF HIS PROPERTY, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, THE FACILITY DOES SERVE A PURPOSE

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, THAT'S MY TAKE ON THAT.

MR. CHAIRMAN, LET ME SEE IF I CAN NAIL THIS DOWN.

DOES THIS FALL IN THE CATEGORY THAT YOU WOULD NORMALLY BE ABLE TO APPROVE THE FUNDING AT YOUR LEVEL, BUT YOU WANTED TO BE SUBJECT TO THE RESOLUTION OF THE LEASE ISSUES? AND IF THOSE TWO THINGS HAPPEN, IT SEEMS TO ME YOU COULD GO AHEAD AND AM I MISSING SOMETHING? WHAT I'M ASK, WHAT I'M ASKING FOR, FOR YOU ALL TO UNDERSTAND IS THAT WE ARE GOING TO BE SPENDING PUBLIC MONEY ON PROPERTY THAT WE HAVE A LEASE FOR THE TERMS OF THAT LEASE AS THAT WHENEVER WE BUILD, WHENEVER WE DO IMPROVEMENTS ON THE PROPERTY, THAT THE IMPROVEMENTS STAY WITH THE PROPERTY.

SO ON ONE HAND WE CAN DO WHAT WE'RE DOING BECAUSE THERE'S A PUBLIC BENEFIT.

BUT YOU ALL AS A COUNCIL NEED TO UNDERSTAND THAT THAT PUBLIC BENEFIT MAY BE TEMPORARY UNLESS YOU DO WHAT COUNCIL MEMBER GLOVER IS STATING AND REQUIRE AS PART OF THE AUTHORIZATION OF ME TO SPEND THE $17,000 THAT YOU REQUIRE A RENEWAL AND A LONG-TERM LEASE, UH, OUT THERE ON ALL OF THE PROPERTY.

SO THAT IT'S CLEAR GOING FORWARD THAT THE, THAT THE MONEY THAT WE'RE INVESTING REMAINS AVAILABLE FOR THE COMMUNITY USE AND THE COMMUNITY GOOD FOR AN EXTENDED PERIOD OF TIME AND NOT FOR A YEAR OR SO, OR BE BUILT ON PROPERTY THAT WE DON'T HAVE A LEASE ON CURRENTLY.

WELL, I GUESS MY QUESTION, I UNDERSTAND IT.

I AGREE WITH YOU.

I GUESS THE QUESTION IS, UM, YOU, YOU CAN DO THAT ON YOUR OWN.

I CAN'T, I CAN'T RENEW A LEASE YOU OFFER.

NO.

WE SHOULD BE DIRECTING ADMINISTRATION TO BRING FORWARD A LEASE AGREEMENT PRIOR TO ANY EXPENDITURE OF PUBLIC FUNDS AT THAT SITE.

AND THAT WOULD BE MY MOTION.

SO WE HAVE A MOTION.

IS THERE A SECOND? A SECOND MARK.

SECONDS OKAY.

DISCUSSION.

IS THAT NO, NO, I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THAT.

THAT'S, THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT I WANTED YOU ALL TO DO.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

APPRECIATE.

WE HAVE MOTION IN SECOND.

IF THERE IS NO FURTHER DISCUSSION, IS THERE ANY OBJECTION TO THIS? ANY OBJECTION TO THIS? SEEING NO OBJECTION.

UM, IT STANDS APPROVED WITHOUT OBJECTION.

NO OBJECTION.

WELL, THIS IS A COUNCIL BUSINESS MEETING.

UM, I THINK THAT SATISFIES WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, RIGHT? MM-HMM.

, YOU'RE OKAY WITH THAT? YEAH.

UM, HAVING CONCLUDED ALL OF OUR BUSINESS, UM, MEETING STANDS ADJOURN.

SO I GOT ON THIS ONE.

YEAH, I THINK YOU DID, BUT IT'S ALRIGHT.

WHICH ONE? NO, WE DID, UM, WE DID NUMBER 14.