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THIS WEDNESDAY, NOVEMBER THE 16TH.
[I. CALL TO ORDER]
PLANNING COMMISSION TO ORDER.MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL LEAD HERE.
HERE, VICE CHAIRMAN CHARLIE WHITMORE.
THE PLANNING COMMISSION WILL NOT HEAR NEW ITEMS AFTER NINE 30.
VOTE OF THE COMMISSION MEMBERS PRESENT ITEMS WHICH HAVE NOT BEEN HEARD BEFORE NINE 30 MAY BE CONTINUED TO THE NEXT REGULAR MEETING OR A SPECIAL MEETING DATE AS DETERMINED BY THE COMMISSION MEMBERS NOTICE REGARDING PUBLIC COMMENTS.
EVERY MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC WHO IS RECOGNIZED TO SPEAK SHALL ADDRESS THE CHAIRMAN.
AND IN SPEAKING, AVOID DISRESPECT, COMMISSION STAFF AND OTHER MEMBERS OF THE MEETING STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS AND SPEAKING FOR THE RECORD, COMMENTS ARE LIMITED TO THREE MINUTES.
[V. ADOPTION OF THE AGENDA]
OF THE AGENDA? SO SECOND.ANY FURTHER COMMENT, DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR? UM, MAY
[VI. ADOPTION OF MINUTES]
I HAVE AN ADOPTION OF THE MINUTES FROM OCTOBER THE 26TH? SO MOVE.ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.
UM, DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS THAT ARE NOT ON THE AGENDA? OKAY, WE'LL MOVE ON.
WE DON'T HAVE ANY OLD BUSINESS.
[1. Big Blue Marble Academy Bluffton (Preliminary Development Plan)]
BUSINESS.NUMBER ONE ON THE AGENDA IS BIG BLUE MARBLE ACADEMY OF BLUFFTON FOR THE PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN, A REQUEST BY EIGHT 14 SERVICES FOR APPROVAL OF OUR PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN APPLICATION, THE PROJECT PROPOSES A CONSTRUCTION OF A 12,000 PLUS MINUS CHILD CARE FACILITY, JORDAN.
OKAY, YOU SAID THE APPLICANT'S EIGHT 14 SERVICES LLC.
AND THEY'RE REQUESTING, UM, APPROVAL FOR A PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN TO CONSTRUCT A 12,000, UH, PLUS OR MINUS SQUARE FOOT CHILDCARE FACILITY.
THE PROPERTY WHERE THEY'RE PROPOSING TO BUILD THIS IS ZONE JONES ESTATE, P U D, UH, IDENTIFIED AS THE TAX BACK NUMBER SEEN ON YOUR SCREEN AND LOCATED AT THE INTERSECTION OF HIGHWAY AND MILL CREEK BOULEVARD.
SO UP ON YOUR SCREEN HERE, YOU CAN SEE THAT UM, THIS PARCEL HAS BEEN SUBDIVIDED.
IT DOESN'T SHOW UP IN BLUFFTON EXPLORER, BUT THE PARCEL THAT HAS BEEN SUBDIVIDED, AS HAS THIS GENERAL SHAPE RIGHT HERE.
UH, THE PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN IS LOCATED WITHIN JONES ESTATE PUD AND THE CYPRESS RIDGE MASTER PLAN AREA AND IS SUBJECT TO THE STANDARD SET FORTH IN THE JONES ESTATE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT AS WELL AS CONCEPT PLAN.
THE SUBJECT PARCEL, UH, LOCATED BETWEEN OT HIGHWAY, THE MILL CREEK BOULEVARD, AND SLATER STREET WITH ACCESS TO THE PARCEL FROM SLATER STREET.
COMMENTS ON THE PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN WERE REVIEWED AT THE AUGUST 17TH, 2022 DRC MEETING.
THE APPLICANT PROVIDED A RESPONSE TO COMMENTS, UPDATED EXHIBITS TO ADDRESS THE COMMENTS PROVIDED AND WAS REVIEWED AT THE OCTOBER 12TH, 2022 DRC MEETING.
UH, AS A FOLLOW UP, AS A FOLLOW UP, UH, AS THE SITE IS LOCATED WITHIN THE HIGHWAY CORRIDOR, OVERLAND DISTRICT, A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS H C O D WILL BE REQUIRED, UH, IN THE FUTURE.
HERE IS THE SITE PLAN SHOWING THE TWO POINTS OF ACCESS OFF OF SLATER STREET.
UH, THEY ARE PROPOSING AN OUTDOOR PLAY AREA RIGHT HERE.
ENTRANCE ON STREET PARKING CURRENTLY EXISTS OUT ON SLATER STREET HERE, UH, WITH A LITTLE BIT HERE AS WELL.
THESE TOWN HOMES ARE CURRENTLY UNDER CONSTRUCTION.
THE PLANNING COMMISSION SHALL CONSIDER THE CRITERIA SET FORTH IN SECTION THREE 10 TRIA OF UD AND ASSESSING THE APPLICATION FOR PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
THE APPLICABLE CRITERIA, UM, ARE FOLLOWED ON THE FOLLOWING SLIDES.
I HAD THEM IN THE STAFF REPORT.
THERE'S NOTHING WORTH MENTIONING AS FAR AS FINDINGS.
I CAN GO OVER THEM AND ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE.
UM, BUT STAFF HAS FOUND THEY MEET THE JOURNAL CRITERIA OF EACH OF THE, UM, CRITERIA THAT YOU SEE ON THE SCREEN HERE.
UH, THE PLANNING COMMISSION HAS THE AUTHORITY TO TAKE THE FOLLOWING ACTION, APPROVE THE APPLICATION SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT, APPROVE THE APPLICATION OF CONDITIONS FOR DENY THE APPLICATION SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT AND TOWN STAFF FINDS THAT THE REQUIREMENTS OF SECTION THREE TEN THREE A OF UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT ORDINANCE HAVE BEEN MET AND RECOMMENDS THAT THE PLAINTIFF COMMISSION APPROVE THE APPLICATION WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITION.
AND THAT'S TO PRESERVE AS MANY TREES ONSITE AS FEASIBLY POSSIBLE TO MEET CANOPY COVERAGE, MITIGATION REQUIREMENTS.
AND THOSE LANDSCAPING REQUIREMENTS ARE REQUIRED.
A TIME OF FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN SUBMITTAL.
ANY QUESTIONS? UM, IS THE APPLICANT HERE, DO THEY WISH TO? YES, THEY ARE.
MY NAME IS SAMANTHA KOSLOWSKI, 16 95 12 MILE ROAD, BERKELEY, MICHIGAN 48,072.
I'M A DEVELOPMENT MANAGER WITH EIGHT 14 SERVICES LLC.
UM, JUST WANTED TO SAY GOOD EVENING AND THANK YOU TO EVERYONE WITH THE TOWN OF
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BLUFFTON AND THAT WE'VE WORKED WITH SO FAR.I THINK WE'VE MADE A LOT OF GREAT REVISIONS TO THE CONCEPT PLAN FROM ITS ORIGINAL ITERATION.
SO WE'VE WORKED WITH JORDAN, SEVERAL, SEVERAL OTHER MEMBERS FROM PLANNING STORM WATER ENGINEERING AND TRAFFIC TO GET A GREAT SITE PLAN TOGETHER.
I'M HERE FOR ANY QUESTIONS IF YOU HAVE ANY.
DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS? ON WE DO FOR THIS ONE.
UM, CAN WE GO AHEAD AND HAVE THAT VALERIE BRIDGES? HI, I LIVE, UM, I HAVE YOUR NAME AND VALERIE BRIDGES 2 6 2 1 WHEEL ARE LAYING IN CYPRESS RIDGE.
UM, LAST TIME I WAS HERE THAT PLAN LOOKED COMPLETELY DIFFERENT.
UM, AND OUR BIGGEST CONCERNS WERE THE TRAFFIC, UM, AND THE BACKUP ONTO MILL CREEK BOULEVARD.
AND I UNDERSTAND THE FIRE DEPARTMENT ALSO HAD ISSUES WITH, WITH THAT TRAFFIC AT ALL.
SO THIS IS THE FIRST TIME I'M SEEING THE MAP.
UM, OUR CONCERN IS PARTICULARLY AT HIGH TRAFFIC TIMES THAT THE TRAFFIC NOT BACK UP ONTO MILL CREEK BOULEVARD.
IT IS A ONE LANE ENTRY AND SO THEREFORE THAT WOULD BE, UM, A BIG, UH, CONCERN.
UM, SO IT LOOKS LIKE THEY HAVE ADDRESSED, UM, SOME OF THAT HAS AT LEAST MORE THAN ONE WAY TO GET IN AND OUT OF THE TRAFFIC, WHICH WAS OUR BIG CONCERN.
DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR JORDAN OR THE APPLICANT AT THIS TIME OR WOULD YOU LIKE TO DISCUSS IT? I HAVE A QUESTION.
UM, MAY ME A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT.
UH, IN THE OPERATIONS SEGMENT SEGMENT AND ATTACHMENT ONE, YOU TALK ABOUT HOW PARENTS CANNOT JUST DROP OFF THEIR CHILDREN, THEY HAVE TO PARK AND THEN WALK THEIR KIDS INTO THE BUILDING.
YOU HAVE 30 PARKING SPOTS AND 195 CHILDREN.
HOW DOES THAT WORK? SO, UM, THE CHILDCARE FACILITY OPERATES A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAN A TYPICAL SCHOOL.
THEY DON'T HAVE A SPECIFIC START TIME.
SO PARENTS AND GUARDIANS ARE KIND OF DROPPING OFF DIFFERENT HOURS IN THE MORNING AND THEN DIFFERENT PICKING UP AT DIFFERENT HOURS IN THE AFTERNOON.
SO PEAK TIMES IN THE MORNING WOULD BE LIKE YOUR SIX TO 9:00 AM AND THEN PEAK TIMES IN THE AFTERNOON WOULD BE ANYWHERE FROM THREE TO 6:00 PM UM, THIS IS THE USUAL NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES THAT IS DESIRED BY THIS TENANT.
SO THIS WORKS WELL WITH THEIR OPERATIONS.
THEY DON'T TYPICALLY HAVE ANY ISSUES WITH THE NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES PROVIDED.
SO 30 SHOULD SERVICE THIS DEVELOPMENT.
WELL, CAN I, CAN I PIGGYBACK ON THAT? SO YOU'RE, YOU'RE ARE REPORT YOU PUT IN THAT THERE ARE 195 CHILDREN AND 25 OR 27 STAFF.
IF THERE ARE 30 SPOTS, 27 OF WHICH ARE TAKEN UP BY STAFF, I ASSUME NONE OF THEM ARE ADA, BUT THAT MAY BE A BAD ASSUMPTION THAT LEAVES THREE SPOTS TO WHICH ARE HANDICAPPED PARKING SPOTS.
SO YOU EFFECTIVELY HAD ONE SPOT FOR 195 PEOPLE TO BE DROPPED OFF.
LET ME EXPLAIN A LITTLE BIT MORE.
SO THE STAFF IS ACTUALLY ON A ROTATING SCHEDULE SO THEY WOULDN'T BE TAKING UP ALL OF THOSE PARKING SPOTS AT THE SAME TIME.
SO HOW MANY STAFF WOULD BE THERE AT ANY GIVEN TIME? IT'S TYPICALLY, SO IT'S GONNA KIND OF DEPEND ON THE CHILDCARE RATIO FOR THE STATE.
SO SINCE WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN INTO THE ARCHITECTURAL PLANS YET, THAT ACTUAL NUMBER ISN'T DETERMINED.
SO THAT'S KIND OF SOMETHING THAT WE'LL FIGURE OUT ONCE WE GET THROUGH AND REVIEW THE STATE CODES.
UM, TYPICALLY THEY SAY ABOUT 15 TO 25 STAFF MEMBERS IS TYPICAL FOR THIS TYPE OF OPERATION.
IT ALSO KIND OF DEPENDS ON LOCAL ENROLLMENT NUMBERS TOO.
SO WILL DEPEND ON HOW MANY STUDENTS ARE ENROLLED IN THE PROGRAM.
SO JORDAN, FROM YOUR POINT OF VIEW, IF THEY DON'T KNOW THAT NUMBER YET, HOW CAN WE APPROVE THE AMOUNT OF PARKING? CUZ IS THAT NOT A FACTOR OF SO IT IS, THEY'VE KIND OF PREPARED FOR A WORST CASE SCENARIO IN TERMS OF OKAY, P I MEAN SHE SAID 15 TO 20 AND THE NARRATIVE, THEY SAID, OKAY, 27 INSTRUCTORS, THEY DO MEET THOSE PARKING STANDARDS AND IN THE P U D IT'S A SPACE FOR EVERY, UM, FACULTY MEMBER PLUS TWO FOR DROP OFF.
SO THEY MEET THAT THRESHOLD WITH WHAT'S BEEN SUBMITTED.
NOW, IF THEY CAME BACK AND SAID, OKAY, BASED OFF OF WHEN WE GET TO FINAL AND ARCHITECTURAL, CUZ THIS WILL HAVE TO COME BACK THROUGH HIGHWAY CORRIDOR OVERLAY, SO WE'LL COME BACK TO YOU ALL FOR ARCHITECTURAL LANDSCAPE AND LIGHT AND LIGHTING.
SO IF IT WOULD COME BACK AND FOR SOME REASON, HEY, WE'RE GONNA HAVE 35, YOU KNOW, TEACHERS, THEN IT'D BE THAT HARD CONVERSATION OF WELL, THE SITE DOESN'T SUPPORT THAT, YOU DON'T HAVE ROOM FOR THAT OR YOU NEED TO ADJUST YOUR PARKING.
BUT WHO, WHO, SO THAT GETS HANDLED AT WHEN IT COMES BACK TO STAFF AND DRC.
YEAH, BUT IT DOESN'T COME BACK TO PLANNING.
IT MIGHT COME BACK TO PLANNING JUST FROM THE STANDPOINT OF THE HIGHWAY CORRIDOR OVERLAY AND LOOKING AT ARCHITECTURE.
AND USUALLY BY THAT POINT YOU HAVE A FLOOR PLAN MORE OR LESS THAT, THAT THOSE NUMBERS WOULD BE FINALIZED BY THAT POINT IN TIME.
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I'LL TELL YOU WHAT MY CONCERN IS.UM, AND FIRST OF ALL, I, I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, BUT TRULY IF YOU HAVE MORE KIDS, YOU HAVE MORE STAFF.
AND SO IT'S WHEN IT'S AT THAT MAXIMUM THAT THERE'S POTENTIALLY AN ISSUE HERE.
UM, MY CONCERN IS PRETTY MUCH EVERYTHING ELSE THAT WE'VE APPROVED THAT HAS BEEN A DAYCARE FACILITY, EVEN IF IT'S NOT A DROP OFF, THERE'S SOME KIND OF A, A TRAFFIC LANE OR A DROP OFF LANE WHERE THEY CAN PARK FOR A MINUTE AND COME IN.
AND I DON'T NECESSARILY SEE THAT IN THIS PLAN.
UM, I DO LIKE THAT THERE ARE TWO ENTRANCES NOW INSTEAD OF THE ONE.
SO THAT CAN BE, THAT CAN BE DONE.
UM, BUT THERE IS A CONCERN AND I, I SHARE, UM, COMMISSIONER DEL'S CONCERN OF, AND I'M GONNA PIGGYBACK ON YOU BECAUSE EVEN CONSERVATIVELY, IF YOU HAVE HALF OF THE 30 SPOTS TAKEN BY INSTRUCTORS, YOU'RE DOWN TO 15 SPOTS AND YOU COULD HAVE A PEAK OF 30 AT ANY GIVEN TIME AND IT GOES RIGHT BACK TO OUR, OUR RESIDENT WHO JUST MADE PUBLIC COMMENT YOU'RE GONNA BE BACKING UP ON, ON ONE OF THE STREETS.
IT JUST FEELS LIKE SINCE YOU'VE MADE THE DECISION OR THE OPERATOR HAS MADE THE DECISION NOT TO HAVE DROP-OFFS, WE MIGHT HAVE A PARKING ISSUE.
SO COULD WE RECOMMEND OR UM, SOME TYPE OF DROP OFF LIKE, LIKE WE WERE TALKING ABOUT WITH OTHER PROJECTS BEFORE, LIKE A PULL OFF, BUT IF THE OPERATOR CHOOSES NOT TO DO THAT, RIGHT? IS ARE WE OUT OF BOUNDS TELLING 'EM HOW TO OPERATE THEIR CHILDCARE? I'M ASKING LEGAL.
YEAH, NO, I, UH, THANK YOU COMMISSIONER DELCO.
AND JUST AGAIN, FOR THE RECORD, WE DO EVERY MEETING, UM, RICHARDSON, BRUCE
I Y'ALL WERE GIVEN BROAD LATITUDE IN MAKING CERTAIN COMMENTS ABOUT AND CERTAIN DECISIONS WHEN APPROVING THESE DEVELOPMENT PLANS, PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLANS, UH, MY APPREHENSION ABOUT DICTATING DROP OFFS AND TRAFFIC AND KIND OF INTERNAL TRAFFIC PATTERNS LIKE THAT ON THE SITE IN PARTICULAR WITH A, YOU KNOW, A DAYCARE WHERE YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE, YOU'RE NOT GONNA HAVE PARENTS LETTING THEIR KIDS OUT OF THE CAR SO THEY CAN RUN IN.
YOU GOT, AS A PARENT WHO DOES THIS EVERY SINGLE MORNING, UNBUCKLED CHILD, I'LL TAKE 'EM OUT, BRING 'EM INSIDE, UH, HAND 'EM THE LUNCHBOX AND THEN WALK OUT.
I MEAN THERE'S A, THERE'S A PROCESS SO YOU DO NEED THE PARKING.
UM, CUZ IT, YOU KNOW, A DROP OFF USUALLY TAKES A FEW MINUTES AT THE VERY LEAST.
BUT, UH, AS FAR AS THE TRAFFIC PATTERNS, THE INTERNAL TRAFFIC PATTERNS, I ABATE COMPELL REASON WITHIN THE TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDY OR ANY OF THE DOCUMENTS THAT ARE PROVIDED TO YOU, MY, MY RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE CAUTION AND DICTATING HOW THEY, HOW THEY MANAGE TRAFFIC INTERNALLY.
AND THAT WAS MY IMPRESSION TOO, WHICH WOULD LEAVE ME TO SAY, NEED TO KNOW HOW MANY INSTRUCTORS NEED TO HAVE SOME KIND OF PREDICTION ABOUT WHAT IS THE PEAK DROP OFF AND THEN POTENTIALLY MORE PARKING.
IS IS IT FEELS LIKE THE THINGS THAT WE COULD INFLUENCE.
I, AND THIS IS AGAIN, THIS, THIS IS ALMOST LIKE PUBLIC COMMENT CUZ IT'S, IT IS MORE JUST ABOUT PERSONAL EXPERIENCE WITH THE DROP OFF TIME.
CUZ IT ISN'T LIKE SCHOOL WHERE YOU HAVE A 20 MINUTE WINDOW.
YOU DO HAVE THE TWO AND A HALF TO THREE HOUR PERIOD MEETING KNOW EVERYBODY HAS TO BE IN BY 9:00 AM WELL YOU GOT UNTIL SIX TO NINE, THE FOLKS WHO WORK IN, YOU KNOW, MAY WORK IN SAVANNAH HAVE TO BE THERE AT SIX 30, WILL BE DROPPING THEIR CHILDREN OFF AT SIX OR, YOU KNOW, AND THEN YOU GOT PEOPLE WHO ARE WORKING AT, UH, MAYBE LOCALLY 7 38.
AND SO YOU DO HAVE A, A DIFFERENT SCHEDULE AND SAME WITH PICKUP.
BUT I DO APPRECIATE AND RECOGNIZE Y'ALL'S CONCERNS ABOUT THAT BECAUSE AT 27 INSTRUC, 27 STAFF AND 30 SOME ODD PARKING SPOTS, YOU'RE, THERE'S GONNA BE SOME TIME WHERE IT'S TIGHT.
SO, UM, WELL MY AND MY CONCERN ALONG THOSE LINES ARE THE, THE STREET FRONT PARKING, THERE ARE STAFF'S GONNA END UP PARKING THERE.
AND SO IS THAT FAIR TO THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN THE TOWN HOMES ACROSS THE STREET? I, I, I GUESS WHAT I WOULD SAY IS, I, I WISH YOU WOULD CONSIDER BETWEEN NOW AND FINAL, UH, TIME OF FINAL, UM, ADDING SOME MORE PARKING, FIGURING A WAY TO PUT IN MAYBE EVEN FIVE OR SIX MORE SPOTS TO MAKE THOSE NUMBERS MAKE MORE SENSE.
AND I DON'T KNOW HOW THE REST OF COMMISSION FEELS, BUT THAT, THAT WOULD GIVE ME A LITTLE BIT MORE COMFORT LEVEL KIND OF ON THOSE LINES, YOU KNOW, MOVING FORWARD AS IT GOES THROUGH MS FOUR PROCESS AND THEN GOES THROUGH HAVING THAT FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN, UM, PROCESS REVIEWED, GOING THROUGH DRC,
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UH, UNDERSTANDING THEIR PROGRAMMING BEFORE OBVIOUSLY COMES BACK WITH A COFA.THOSE ARE THE ITEMS THAT WE COULD HAVE ADDRESSED AT DRC PRIOR, PRIOR TO IT COMING TO YOU.
SO THAT WAY FROM AN ARCHITECTURAL STANDPOINT, LANDSCAPING, THAT'S ALL, ALL THOSE ITEMS ARE ADDRESSED.
SO YOUR CURRENT, YOUR CONCERNS ARE GONNA BE PICKED UP BY, YOU KNOW, THREE OF YOU AT DRC AS WELL.
UM, SO, YOU KNOW, THOSE ARE SOMETHING, THOSE ARE THINGS THAT, YOU KNOW, FROM A CONDITIONAL STANDPOINT THAT, YOU KNOW, DURING THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN THAT, YOU KNOW, IT'S AS IT'S BEING PROGRAMMED THAT WE KNOW THE TRUE NUMBER OF, UM, INDIVIDUALS, THE CAPACITY, ALL THAT CUZ YOU KNOW, THEY'RE BUILDING, THEY'RE BUILDING FOOTPRINT MIGHT BE SHRINKING, UH, FOR VARIOUS REASONS.
WELL, AND JUST A LITTLE BACKGROUND, I, YOU KNOW, THE INTERNET CAN BE OUR FRIEND OR OUR PHOTO, BUT I WENT ON THERE AND LOOKED AT PROBABLY 20 DIFFERENT BLUE MARBLE ACADEMIES AND A GOOD NUMBER OF 'EM HAVE ONE WAY DROP OFF PLANES AND DROP OFF CANOPIES OR THOSE TYPE OF THINGS.
AND, AND SOME OF THEM DIDN'T, BUT IT JUST, WE WANT TO DO RIGHT BY THE NEIGHBORS AS WELL IS WHAT IT COMES DOWN TO.
UM, MY COMMENT IS JUST, I I ECHO SIMILAR COMMENTS TO, UM, MR. DELCO AND MR. WEER HERE IS THAT I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE PARKING PARTICULARLY.
UM, AND I THINK CHARLIE BRINGS UP A GREAT POINT ABOUT TWO OF THOSE SPACES BEING HANDICAPPED SPACES.
AND SO THAT DOES REALLY ONLY LADY YOU ONE REAL DROP OFF SPACE, UM, AND THAT, AND THAT'S IF YOU'RE AT THE 27, BUT YOU SAID 20 UP TO 2015 TO 25, YOU DIDN'T EVEN STOP AT 20.
SO THAT STILL DIDN'T ALLEVIATE MUCH CONCERN IN MY MIND.
AND I, I MEAN I DON'T HAVE KIDS, BUT I DO HAVE DOGS AND I'VE BEEN TO DOGGY DAY CAMP AND I HAVE SEEN THE BACKUP OF SIX CARS IN THE DRIVE AISLE AND IT'S VERY CONVENIENT AND IT'S, IT CAN GET PEOPLE VERY STRESSED OUT AND AGGRAVATED, UM, ON THOSE SHORT TIME WINDOWS THEY HAVE.
SO, UM, AND I KNOW ESPECIALLY THE SENSITIVITY SPECIFICALLY WITH THIS PROXIMITY TO A NEIGHBORHOOD WITH PEOPLE, RESIDENTS THAT ARE TRYING TO NAVIGATE THROUGH HERE, THAT COULD BE EXTREMELY FRUSTRATING TO THEM AND AN IMPEDIMENT TO THEIR QUALITY OF LIFE.
SO I LIKE MY COMPANIONS HERE WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOME PARKING LOOKED AT FOR THAT ADDITIONALLY.
UM, AND THESE ARE JUST SMALL THINGS THAT I'M SURE WILL GET WORKED OUT, UM, AS WE GO THROUGH THE PROCESS.
BUT THE ONE, YOU'RE ONLY SHOWING ONE HANDICAP PARKING SPACE, BUT YOU DO HAVE TO HAVE TWO.
UM, YOU DON'T HAVE IT STRIKED WITH THE HANDICAP SYMBOL ON THE OTHER SIDE.
I'D ACTUALLY RECOMMEND, AND I KNOW THAT YOU HAVE TO HAVE A HANDICAP PARKING IN THE MOST CONVENIENT LOCATION TO THE FRONT DOOR, UM, IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE BECAUSE IN ORDER TO DO THAT, IT'S DIRECTLY ACROSS THE DRIVE AISLE WHERE PEOPLE ARE GONNA BE DRIVING IN AND OUT.
I PREFER TO SEE IT TO THE RIGHT OF THE BUILDING, UM, JUST TO MAKE THAT A LITTLE MORE CONVENIENTLY ACCESSED.
UM, A LITTLE LESS TO NAVIGATE WITH VEHICULAR CONFLICTS.
UM, TACTILE DOME SHOULD BE AT EVERY CROSSWALK.
SO THERE'S, I CAN SEE IT AT THE MAIN ENTRANCE, BUT I DIDN'T SEE THE ONE AT THE FAR RIGHT ENTRANCE BUT NITPICKING AT THAT POINT.
UM, CLEAN UP LINE WORK LIKE THE FENCE CUZ IT'S UNCLEAR WHERE THAT FENCE BEGINS AND ENDS.
AND SO I'VE GOT, YOU KNOW, POTENTIAL CONCERNS ABOUT WHAT THAT, HOW THAT ADDRESSES WHERE THE KIDS ARE PLAYING IN RELATIONSHIP TO THE SITE.
SO IT WAS UNCLEAR AS TO WHAT'S HAPPENING THERE WITH THAT FENCE.
SO JUST FOR SOME CLARIFICATION ON THE FENCING, UM, THERE ARE EXITS FROM EACH CLASSROOM, SO THE EXITS WOULD BE FENCED ALL THE WAY AROUND THE BUILDING AND THEN FENCING INTO THE PLAYGROUND AREA TOO.
THE PLAYGROUND AREA, ONCE WE GET MORE SPECIFIC DETAILS ON THAT, IT IS ACTUALLY SEPARATED INTO THREE DIFFERENT PLAY AREAS THAT HAVE EACH SPECIFIC EQUIPMENT.
SO ALL OF THAT WOULD BE FENCED IN.
THERE WOULD BE NO OPPORTUNITY FOR KIDS TO RUN OUT TO THE PARKING LOT OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
SO WE CAN DEFINITELY DEFINE THAT A LITTLE BIT BETTER ONCE WE GET TO THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
WHAT'S THE SURFACE OF THAT PLAY? IT'S A TURF SURFACE.
THERE'S, THERE'S FAKE TUR THE FAKE GRASS TOO, WHICH PEOPLE CALL TURF AS WELL AND THAT'S WHAT I JUST WAS ASKING.
WE'LL BE ABLE TO GET YOU GUYS FULL DETAILS ON PLAYGROUND STRUCTURES.
UM, THE MATERIAL OF THE GROUND AND EVERYTHING LIKE THAT.
UM, MATERIAL ON THE FENCING AND ALL THOSE ITEMS WHEN WE HAVE THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN IS THE REASON I WAS ASKING ABOUT SPECIFICALLY WHAT MATERIAL THAT IS.
BUT THE FAKE GRASS, THEY, THEY SOMETIMES INSTALL THAT WITH A CONCRETE UNDERNEATH SO IT DOESN'T DRAIN.
UM, SO IT MIGHT BE A SAFE TO DRAIN, BUT IT'S NOT AOUS SURFACE.
ANYONE ELSE HAVE QUESTIONS DOWN HERE? I, I GUESS ALSO MINE WOULD BE THE PARKING, BUT ALSO THEY WOULD PROBABLY, AS COMMISSIONER DELCO SAID, I THINK THAT THEY PROBABLY WOULD GO UP TO THE STREET IF THEY
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HAD TO THE TEACHERS, MEANING IT WOULD BE EASY TO GET IN AND OUT TOO IF THEY COULD PARK THIS.I GUESS THE PARKING IS PROBABLY THE BIGGEST CONCERN AS FAR AS THAT MIGHT GO.
SO SINCE THIS IS A PRELIMINARY, UM, DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND OBVIOUSLY PARKING IS A CONCERN OF OURS, THAT WOULD JUST BE IN PART OF OUR RECOMMENDATION OR OUR YEAH, OUR RECOMMENDATION.
I MEAN I, I I THINK YOU CAN MAKE THAT RECOMMENDATION AGAIN AS, UM, JORDAN, JORDAN POINTED OUT AS THEY DO MEET THE PARKING CALCULATIONS THAT ARE, UM, SET FORTH IN THE, IN THE JUDGE'S STATE DOCUMENTS.
UH, SO YOU CAN EITHER JUST HAVE A RECOMMENDATION TO STAFF.
I MEAN, I THINK STAFF HAS HEARD YOUR COMMENTS LOUD AND CLEAR AS IS THE APPLICANT.
UH, AND I, AND I WOULD HOPE THAT THEY WOULD BE ADDRESSED BEFORE THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN, BUT AGAIN, A LITTLE BIT APPREHENSIVE ABOUT, UM, YOU KNOW, CONDITIONING IT ON, CHANGING THE PARKING REQUIREMENT, THE PARKING WHEN THERE IS, WHEN THEY'RE IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS.
WELL WITH THAT, DO I HAVE A MOTION? OH, CAN I MAKE ONE MORE COMMENT? SURE.
THIS IS NOT A CONTINGENT APPROVAL.
UM, THE PARKING SPACE WHERE THE HANDICAP IS NOTED ADJACENT TO THAT, YOU'VE GOT ALL THE UTILITIES THAT ARE CENTRALIZED IN THAT BED, BUT THE SIDEWALK, SO THERE'S NO PLACE TO PUT A TREE THERE.
SO JUST BE MINDFUL THAT YOU ALLOW ENOUGH ROOM THAT THOSE ISLANDS CAN HAVE TREES.
I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE, UM, RECOMMEND FOR APPROVAL.
ACTUALLY IT'S NOT RECOMMEND THAT WE APPROVE, UM, THE PROJECT WITH THE CONDITION THAT THEY PRESERVE AS MANY TREES ON SITE IS FEASIBLY POSSIBLE TO MEET CANOPY AND COVERAGE MITIGATION REQUIREMENTS.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? YOU DON'T WANNA CON ADD A CONDITION TO WORK WITH STAFF ON ADDING PARKING? I, I DON'T THINK THAT BECAUSE THEY MEET THE TECHNICAL REQUIREMENTS, I DON'T THINK WE REALLY SHOULD.
AND LIKE THEY SAID, THEY'D HEARD US CONCERNS, SO I THINK THAT THEY DO THAT IT DOESN'T REQUIRE THE ADDITION OF THE PARKING.
IT WOULDN'T REQUIRE THE ADDITION OF THE PARKING.
IT MERELY IS COORDINATING, BUT THEY'RE GONNA BE DOING THAT AT THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN LEVEL IS WHAT I MEAN, BECAUSE THAT'S WHEN THEY'RE GONNA HAVE THEIR NUMBERS FOR WHAT ACTUAL CAN BE AT THAT BUILDING.
BUT CURRENTLY THEY DO MEET, YEAH, I THINK STAFF UNDERSTANDS THAT WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT PARKING.
SO IF THERE'S ANY WAY THAT Y'ALL CAN HELP IMPROVE THAT SITUATION, THAT'S OUR RECOMMENDATION.
DID YOU COME DOWN FROM MICHIGAN JUST FOR THIS? YES, I DID.
A LITTLE BIT CHILL HERE, BUT IT'S MUCH MORE CHILL AT.
[2. New Riverside Village Parcel 7 (Preliminary Development Plan)]
WE HAVE, UH, NEW RIVERSIDE VILLAGE PARCEL SEVEN PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN, A REQUEST BY BRIAN C A POOR STATE'S GROUP ON BEHALF OF THE PROPERTY OWNER SOLOMON PROPERTY HOLDINGS FOR APPROVAL OF PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN APPLICATION.THIS PROJECT CONSISTS OF A TWO STORY 15,000 SQUARE FOOT MEDICAL OFFICE BUILDING AND SUPPORTING PARKING PROPERTY ZONE, NEW RIVERSIDE PLAN UNIT DEVELOPMENT AND CONSISTS OF APPROXIMATELY 1.56 ACRES.
OKAY, YOU TOOK ALL OF MY FIRST SLIDES.
I WAS TRYING TO HURRY UP FOR YOU.
THE SECOND ONE, UM, HERE IS A MAP OF THE LOCATION.
THIS CORNER PARCEL RIGHT HERE IS REFUEL AND YOU'LL KIND OF SEE THEM ON THEIR SITE PLANS.
RIVERSIDE VILLAGE ROUNDABOUT AT 36.
UH, AND, UH, MAYOR CROSSING RIGHT THERE.
UH, APPLICATION AS YOU PREVIOUSLY SAID IS REPORT PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN LOCATED WITHIN THE RIVERSIDE P U AND IS SUBJECT TO THE STANDARD STEP FORTH IN THE NEW RIVERSIDE PD DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT AND CONCEPT PLAN.
AND THE SUBJECT PARTIAL IS BOUNDED BY MAY RIVER ROAD IN NEW RIVERSIDE VILLAGE WAY.
STAFF COMMENTS ON THE PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN WERE REVIEWED AT THE AUGUST 31ST, 2022 DRC MEETING.
APPLICANT PROVIDED A RESPONSE TO COMMENTS, REVISED SITE PLANS, AND A PARKING ASSIGNMENT LETTER FROM THE MASTER DEVELOPER AT, AT THAT TIME.
AS THE SITE IS LOCATED FROM THE HIGHWAY CORRIDOR OVERLAY DISTRICT, A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, UH, H C O D IS REQUIRED.
YOU CAN SEE THIS IS THE REFUEL, UM, PARTIAL HERE IS THE PROPOSED, UH, OFFICE WITH ENTRY RIGHT HERE AS WELL AS THEY CAN THEN FACILITATE AND MOVE THROUGH THEIR SITE AND GET OUT TO THIS ENTRANCE AS WELL.
PLANNING COMMISSION SHALL CONSIDER THE CRITERIA SET FORTH IN SECTION THREE TEN THREE A OF UDO AND ASSESSING THE APPLICATION FOR PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
UM, THE APPLICABLE CRITERIA ARE GONNA BE FOUND ON NEXT SLIDE.
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UH, JUST LIKE THE LAST ONE, I'LL BE FREE TO HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE ABOUT ANY OF THE SPECIFIC CRITERIA.UM, BUT STAFF HAS, UH, FOUND THAT THEY HAVE SATISFIED ALL THOSE CONDITIONS.
YOUR ACTION HERE TONIGHT CAN BE TO APPROVE THE APPLICATION AS SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT, APPROVE THE APPLICATION WITH CONDITIONS, DENY THE APPLICATION AS SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT.
TOWN STAFF FINDS THAT THE REQUIREMENTS OF SECTION THREE TEN THREE A OF THE UDO HAVE BEEN MET AND RECOMMENDS THE PLANNING COMMISSION APPROVE THE APPLICATION WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITION.
UH, JUST THAT A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, HIGHWAY CORRIDOR OVERLAY DISTRICT IS REQUIRED PRIOR TO FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN APPROVAL.
HAVE ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE THE APPLICANT HERE AND WOULD THEY LIKE TO SPEAK HAVING ONE CORRECTION ON THAT? THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN IS REQUIRED TO BE APPROVED PRIOR TO THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, SO YES.
JACKSON, UNLIKE THE LADY BEFORE COMING FROM MICHIGAN HERE, BRIAN IS IN SOUTH FLORIDA HERE.
IT'S MUCH WARMER THERE THAN HE'S HERE.
AND I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS, BUT I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME THIS EVENING.
UH, I KNOW YOU ALL HAVE LOOKED AT THE REFUEL SITE.
UH, WE ENDED UP WORKING WITH, UM, CORE ESTATE BECAUSE THEY WERE DOING THE CIVIL REFUEL.
WE THOUGHT THAT, UH, INTEGRATING THE, UH, SITE DESIGN, UH, TOGETHER IS THE, UH, THE BEST WAY TO, UH, APPROACH THIS PROJECT.
UH, PRIMARY CONCERNS LAST TIME WERE, UH, PARKING AND, UH, MAKING SURE THAT WE HAD EVERYTHING SQUARED UP THERE.
THEY DID CHANGE FROM THE ORIGINAL PARKING REQUIREMENTS OF THREE AND A HALF PER THOUSAND.
UM, I BELIEVE THIS WAS IN COMMISSION MONTH AND A HALF, TWO MONTHS AGO, MAYBE WENT FROM THREE AND A HALF THOUSAND SHARED PARKING TO AN OVERALL MODEL THOUSAND, BUT NO OFF.
SO WE GOT AN ASSIGNMENT LETTER THAT 12 OF THE, UH, OFFSITE PARKING SPACES ARE DESIGNATED FOR THIS PARCEL SO THEY CAN'T BE ACCOUNTED TOWARDS OTHER PARCELS WITHIN THE COMMUNITY.
SO I THINK THEY PIN ALL THAT UP WITH TOWN STAFF MONTH OR TWO AGO.
UH, I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS, UM, ON THE SET PLAN AND ANYTHING ELSE, JUST QUICK SUMMARY OF ONE STORY.
UH, DENTAL OFFICE THAT'S ON THE SOUTH OF THE PAGE THERE.
AND THEN A TWO STORY, UH, MEDICAL OFFICE TO BE DETERMINED.
TENANTS TO THE NORTH OF THE PAGE, FRONTED WITH A KIND OF A, A PARK AREA, UM, IN FRONT OF THE BUILDING, IN THE FOREGROUND.
AND THEN NICE, COOL GOON TO THE WEST THAT THEY'LL BE LOOKING AT.
ARE THERE ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS ON THIS ONE? OKAY, WELL ANYBODY WANNA START WITH ANY QUESTIONS, COMMENTS FOR WELL RELATED TO WHAT HE JUST SAID ABOUT THE UM, THE 12 ASSIGNED PARKING SPACES? I KNOW SEVEN OF THEM WE HAVE DEFINED, ARE WE KEEPING TRACK OF THE WE ARE.
SO THEY'RE NOT DOUBLE COUNTED.
SO WE'RE WORKING WITH THE DECK GRANT, UH, FOR THE ENTIRE, UH, VIEW RIVERSIDE VILLAGE.
SO WE ARE KEEPING TRACK OF, OF ALL PARKING.
SO, UM, SO THEY, THEY WE SPECIFICALLY WORKING THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE SITE TO MAKE SURE EVERYTHING'S IN COMPLIANCE.
I JUST WANTED TO ASK JUST TO MAKE SURE.
ANYONE DOWN THERE? LYDIA, ANYTHING? NOPE.
UM, THE STORM WATER, I'M ASSUMING THAT'S WHAT THE DRAWING THAT HAD THE BLACK BLOCKS ON IT, THAT'S GOING WHERE THOSE GARDEN BEDS ARE, IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT.
THERE'S AN OVERALL MASTER PLAN AND THEN WE HAVE SOME REQUIREMENTS FOR ONSITE.
AND SO IT IS GOING IN THE PARK, UH, AREA UNDERNEATH FOR STORAGE CHAMBERS.
AND THEN DISCHARGE OUT TO THE MASTER STORM WATER PLAN.
AND THEN YOU MENTIONED THERE'S THE DENNIS'S OFFICE AND MEDICAL OFFICE, BUT, AND ONE'S ONE STORY, ONE'S TWO STORY.
WHERE DOES THAT DELINEATION BEGIN AND END AND ARE THEY BEING BUILT AT THE SAME TIME? YEP.
SO, UH, TRY NOT TO SHOOT YOU IN THE EYES, RIGHT? SO THIS, THIS IS THE ONE STORY SECTION HERE.
UH, THERE IS A LITTLE BIT OF A, UH, RAISED GARDEN BED.
THIS STRUCTURE IS ABOUT, UH, 18 INCHES OUT OF THE GROUND.
UM, THERE'S A RAISED, SO WHEN YOU'RE GETTING YOUR TEETH DRILLED, YOU'LL HAVE SOMETHING NICE TO LOOK AT, UH, BEFORE AND AFTER.
THIS IS A ONE STORY CONNECTOR.
AND THEN THIS SECTION HERE IS THE TWO STORY, UM, MEDICAL OFFICE.
I THINK ITS LABELED LIKE THE WHOLE THING IS 15.
IT'S A LITTLE CONFUSING, BUT, UH, THAT THAT'S OKAY.
THIS IS ONE STORY, THIS IS TWO STORY SECTION HERE.
UM, ARE THEY BEING BUILT AT THE SAME TIME? YEAH.
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UM, ONE QUESTION I HAVE AND I'M A LITTLE CONCERNED ABOUT, OR ONE AREA OF THIS PLAN IS THAT DUMPSTER ACCESS BEING ON THAT FAR SIDE, UM, ONE IT, I THINK IT'S GONNA TAKE ONE HECK OF A GOOD DRIVER TO FOLLOW THE PATH THAT WAS OUTLINED.AND I APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT THAT PATH WAS OUTLINED ACTUALLY.
UM, CUZ I WOULD'VE ASKED THAT QUESTION REGARDLESS,
UM, BUT, AND IT'S NOT JUST THE NARROW ROUTE THAT THEY HAVE TO FOLLOW IN ORDER TO GET IN THERE, BUT IT'S THE FACT THAT IN ORDER TO GET BACK OUT, THEY'VE GOTTA USE THOSE FOUR PARKING SPACES, WHICH IF SOMEBODY'S PARKED THERE IS GONNA MAKE THAT REAL CHALLENGING.
SO I DON'T THINK OF THAT AS A, WE, WE LOOKED AT THIS AREA AND WE ACTUALLY REVISED THIS CUZ THE OTHER PRIMARY CONCERN IN THE INITIAL PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN REVIEW WAS, UH, FIRE TRUCK ACCESS.
AND THIS IS 150 FEET OR JUST SHY FEET, WHICH IS THE, UH, MAX FOR A FIRE TRUCK TO PULL IN AND PULL BACK, WHICH IS BIGGER THAN THE DUMP TRUCK.
AND NOW GRANTED THE FIREFIGHTERS ARE MUCH BETTER DRIVERS PROBABLY THAN THE REFUGE DIRECTOR, BUT UM, YOU KNOW, WE JUST FELT LIKE IT BEING, WE LOOKED AT THE SPOT HERE, BUT PUTTING IT KIND OF ON THE MAIN AXIS WHEN YOU COME IN HERE DIDN'T SEEM TO BE APPROPRIATE AND OBVIOUSLY DOWN HERE DIDN'T SEEM TO BE APPROPRIATE.
UM, JUST ARCHITECTURALLY AND ON THE SITE PLAN, IT SEEMED LIKE IT MEETS THE CRITERIA AND IT WOULD BE UNFORTUNATE IF THE DUMPSTER BECAME A MAJOR COMPONENT IN SITE LINES AND SO RELY ON OUR TALENTED AND NOBODY'S PARKING IN THOSE FOUR PARKING SPACES.
DO YOU, DO YOU HAVE ABUNDANCE OF PARKING OR DO YOU HAVE JUST WHAT YOU NEED AROUND? UM, YOU KNOW, WE TALKED TO STAFF ABOUT MAYBE IF WE COULD GET, UM, COUPLE COMPACT SPACES, BUT CAN THERE BANDING, IT'S NOT REALLY DEFINED AND YOU KNOW, BUT COULD WE GET A LITTLE BIT MORE ROOM IN HERE? UM, BUT YOU KNOW, WE WOULD'VE TO COME IN AND THEN THEY WOULD BACK OUT HERE.
AND THEN THE OTHER, UM, I I DO HAVE, I STILL, I STILL FIND THAT AN UNCOMFORTABLE SITUATION CUZ YOU'RE, YOU'RE DEPENDING UPON SITUATIONAL SHIFTS TO THE SITE IN ORDER FOR THAT TO REALLY FUNCTION.
UM, THE OTHER ISSUE I HAVE RELATES, AGAIN TO THOSE, BACK TO THOSE FOUR SPOTS, JUST THE FACT THAT THEY'RE LIKE TWO FEET FROM THAT ADJACENT DRIVE AISLE.
UM, WOULD STAFF, HAS STAFF LOOK TO SEE IF THAT MEETS REQUIREMENTS.
SO IT WILL HAVE TO BE FIVE FEET IN BETWEEN THERE, UM, LANDSCAPING ISLAND, BUT THAT SECTION OF DRIVE OUT, THEY HAVE SOME ROOM TO ACCOMMODATE THAT.
UM, THAT I THINK WE CAN WORK WITH THE APPLICANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT LANDSCAPE ISLAND WOULD MEET ORDINANCE REQUIREMENTS AND THEY CAN TIGHTEN UP SOME SECTIONS THAT THEY HAVE, UH, A WIDER WIDTH.
AND WE'RE WORKING WITH WHY WE WENT WITH CORE STATES IS THEY'VE GOT A FUELING ISSUE THAT CAME UP HERE THAT THEY'VE GOTTA GET THIS FUELING TRUCK OUT.
AND THIS SECTION RIGHT HERE IS ACTUALLY ON OUR APPLICANT'S PROPERTY AND THERE WAS SOME DESIGNATED EASEMENTS THROUGH HERE, BUT NOT REALLY THIS LITTLE SECTION HERE MM-HMM
UM, SO WE CAN BRING THAT CONCERN BACK TO REFUEL AND CORSAGE TO SEE IF THEY CAN GET THEIR TURNING RADIS FOR THE FUEL DELIVERY TRUCKS IN THERE AND WIDEN THAT ISLAND A LITTLE BIT.
CAN I ASK THEM, SINCE YOU ALREADY HAVE SOMETHING GOING ON IN THEIR AREA, COULD THE DUMPSTER BE IN THAT AREA BUT ACCESS FROM THE GAS STATION SIDE? UH, I THINK MAYBE SOMETHING THAT, AN ALTERNATIVE IS, UM, THIS ISLAND RIGHT HERE, MAYBE WE CAN LOOK TO CHANGE THE RADIUS, THE RADIUS OF THE ACTUAL CONCRETE, BUT THEN HAVE IT STRIPED, UM, JUST TO, TO REPRESENT THE ACTUAL TURNING MOVEMENT.
WHAT THAT WOULD DO IS BY REDUCING THAT, THE RADIUS RIGHT THERE, IT GIVES A LITTLE BIT MORE SPACE FOR THAT VEHICLE TO BE ABLE THE, THE TRASH TRUCK TO BE ABLE TO GET IN THERE.
SO I WAS JUST LOOKING FOR AN ALTERNATE LOCATION, IF THAT EVEN WAS A POSSIBILITY SINCE YOU'RE WORKING WITH THE WE COULD, I, OUR FIRST INSTINCT WAS TO PUT IT RIGHT HERE.
IT JUST, BUT THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING.
BUT IT WOULD BE ACCESS FROM THE GAS SIDE AND NOT THE OTHER SIDE AND YOU CAN LANDSCAPE AROUND IT FROM THE DENTIST OFFICE SIDE, ACCESS IT FROM HERE.
I'M JUST THINKING CUZ THERE'S MORE ROOM TO MANEUVER THERE.
WE CAN CERTAINLY BRING THAT TO, UM, AGAIN, IT IS ONE OF THOSE, WE HAVE TWO DIFFERENT DEVELOPERS', TWO DIFFERENT, BUT WE DO HAVE CORE STATES DOING BOTH AND SO I, BUT YEAH, I MEAN I DON'T KNOW IF THERE IS SOME EASEMENT THAT ALLOWS THEM TO USE YOUR PROPERTY AND THEN YOU USE THEIR PROPERTY OR THERE IS ACTIVE EASEMENTS.
THERE'S A EASEMENT HERE FOR ACCESS.
BUT THERE'S REALLY NOTHING HERE.
SO THEY'RE WORKING THROUGH ALL THAT.
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THAT WE COULD GET THAT AND THAT, I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW HOW, YOU KNOW, IT MIGHT HELP YOU WITH SOME MORE PARKING DOWN THE LINE OR AT LEAST A BACKUP TO HELP, YOU KNOW, SUBSTITUTE THE PARKING.YOU MIGHT HAVE TO TAKE OUT THERE, PUT IT AT THE END.
YEAH, WE LOSE TWO HERE AND WE PROBABLY END UP TUBE RIGHT HERE.
WE CAN CERTAINLY EXPLORE THAT WITH, UM, MULTIPLE PARTIES INVOLVED IN THESE PROJECTS.
HEY, WHILE THEY'RE ASKING YOU FOR SOMETHING, YOU SHOULD ASK THEM.
ANYBODY ELSE? KATHLEEN? ALL ANY QUESTIONS ANSWERED.
MAY I HAVE A MOTION? ANYBODY? JASON, YOU LOOK LIKE YOU'RE ITCHING TO MAKE A MOTION.
I FIGURE ONE WAY OR ANOTHER WE'RE GONNA GET THIS, THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO APPROVE THE APPLICATION WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITION.
A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATING THIS NO.
HIS LANGUAGE IS, HIS LANGUAGE IS IN, IS BACKWARDS.
SO WHATEVER MOTION YOU WOULD LIKE TO MAKE, YOU CAN
I DO APPRECIATE THAT VERY MUCH.
ASHLEY, SORRY, HAVE A QUESTION.
WHAT IS THE MOTION SUPPOSED TO BE? SO IS THERE ANY WAY THAT WE CAN MAKE A RECOMMENDATION ABOUT THAT THE APPLICABLE WORK WITH THE
IS THAT A MOTION I MOVE THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION APPROVE THE APPLICATION WITH THE CONDITION THAT THE APPLICANT WORKS WITH STAFF TO OPTIMIZE THE ACCESS TO THE TRASH AND UM, MAKE IT UM, EASY FOR THE TRASH WATERS TO GET IN AND OUT.
DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND? ANY FURTHER DISCUSSIONS? WE HAVE TWO CONDITIONS RECOMMENDED ON THE UM, STAFF REPORT.
I'D LIKE TO ADD TO THAT, UM, THAT DAY DUMPSTER, WHEN WE MOVE TO THAT LOCATION AND I CAN TELL MR. UH, KINS WOULD ALSO PROBABLY APPRECIATE THIS, THAT THE DUMPSTER IS ALSO ADEQUATELY SCREENED.
WELL THAT'S, I THINK THAT COMES IN THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
SO WE'RE GONNA CATCH IT FOR PRELIM.
I MEAN IS THAT SOMETHING YOU WANNA PUT IN THE MOTION BECAUSE WE HAVE TO AMEND AND RE OR IS THAT SOMETHING THAT IF IT'S ALREADY REQUIRED BY ORDINANCE, I DON'T NEED TO ADD IT NOW YOU'RE NOT CHAIR, YOU'RE, YOU'RE CORRECT.
SO WE ALREADY HAVE A MOTION IN THE SECOND, SO YOU HAVE TO AMEND IT IF YOU WANT TO ADD IT.
BUT STAFF IS CONFIRMED THAT IT IS PART OF IT WILL BE CAUGHT DURING THE REVIEW PROCESS AND BECAUSE IT'S A TOWN OF LONDON PARK THAT IS BEHIND THE, UM, THE DUMPSTER, I WOULD IMAGINE THAT THEY WILL BE VERY, VERY FOCUSED ON IT.
THAT'S YES, THAT'S I HAVE A QUESTION.
DO WE HAVE TO ADD THE CONDITION THAT STAFF NOTED BUT WITH THE CORRECT WORDING? NO.
CAUSE THIS IS JUST A PRE, IT'S ALREADY PART OF THE PROCEDURAL OKAY.
PROCESS CAUSE WE'RE JUST THE PRELIMINARY.
EVERYBODY ELSE? GOOD? I HAVE ONE QUESTION.
CAN WE GO NOW
ANY OPPOSED? OKAY, WE'RE GOOD.
[3. New York City Pizza at May River Crossing (Certificate of Appropriateness - Highway Corridor Overlay]
THE NEXT ONE IS NEW YORK CITY PIZZA AT MAY RIVER CROSSING A REQUEST BY STACK BUILDING AND DEVELOPMENT ON BEHALF OF THE OWNER'S PR TWO MAY RIVER CROSSING FOR APPROVAL OF A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS.THE SITE IS AN EXISTING COMMERCIAL STRUCTURE WHICH HAS A PROPOSED TENANT OUTFIT TO INCLUDE 290 SQUARE FOOT ION ON THE FRONT OF THE STRUCTURE FACING SOUTH CAROLINA HIGHWAY ONE 70 AND A MODIFIED RIGHT SIDE ELEVATION TO INCLUDE A ROLLUP DOOR AND COUNTER FOR OUTDOOR SEATING.
AND CAN YOU DO ADAM CHAIRMAN? SURE, GO AHEAD.
CAN UM, SO THE PROJECT LOCATION, I'VE GOT A PILOT ON THE SCREEN HERE.
THIS IS PART OF THE MAY RIVER CROSS, A RIVER CROSSING, SORRY, WE'RE JUST ACROSS THE STREET A MOMENT AGO.
SO THIS IS PART OF THE MAY RIVER CROSSING DID, UM, MASTER PLAN AREA, UM, I'VE HIGHLIGHTED SPECIFICALLY WHICH BUILDING THIS IS BECAUSE THERE IS
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A PARENT PARCEL THAT THESE ARE ALL SORT OF PART OF.AND SO IT IS THIS BUILDING RIGHT HERE AND THIS PORTION OF THE BUILDING RIGHT HERE THAT'S BEING COMPOSED FROM MODIFICATION AS YOU CAN SEE HERE, THIS IS THAT THE TRAFFIC CIRCLE IS IN THE BOTTOM RIGHT SIDE OF THE SCREEN HERE.
THIS IS THAT SMALL LITTLE, UM, PARKISH AREA THAT IS THERE.
AND THEN THIS IS THE BUILDING.
YOU CAN SEE THE, WHERE THE COLUMNS, UM, OF THE COLONATED AREA POP OUT BEYOND THE FOOTPRINT OF THE BUILDING.
SO THIS IS ALREADY SPACED BUT IS UNDER A ROOF.
IT IS UM, UNDER A ROOF BUT OUTSIDE AREA.
AND THEN THE PROPOSED MODIFICATION IS THE ROLLOUT DOOR THAT WILL TAKE PLACE RIGHT HERE AS WELL AS THE PROPOSED, UM, ENCLOSED SPACE, WHICH WILL HOUSE A COOLER, BUT BECAUSE IT IS IN THE HIGHWAY QUARTER, IT CANNOT JUST BE A METAL COOLER.
IT HAS TO BE ARTICULATED INTO THE ARCHITECTURE OF THE BUILDING.
WE DID DOUBLE CHECK IT IS OUTSIDE OF THE, UM, 75 FOOT BUFFER.
WHAT IS BEING SHOWN HERE IS ACTUALLY THE SILK FENCE BECAUSE THEY KNOW THAT THEY NEED TO HAVE STILL FENCING ON WHEN TO DO THE PROJECT BECAUSE WATER, SHE LIKES TO SEE IT.
SO, UM, THAT'S JUST THE TEMPORARY, THE ACTUAL STRUCTURE IS THAT GRAY SHADED AREA THERE.
THESE ARE THE ELEVATIONS OF THE STRUCTURE.
SO THIS THE FRONT ELEVATION, THIS IS, OR THE BACK ELEVATION TECHNICALLY BECAUSE THIS IS FACING INTERNAL TO THE DEVELOPMENT.
THE COUNTERTOP IS WHAT YOU CAN SEE FROM THIS ALLOCATION.
SO IT IS THIS LITTLE TINY BLIP RIGHT THERE.
THAT'S THE ONLY THING THAT'S CHANGING ON THE REAR, WHICH IS THE FRONT, THE INTERNAL PORTION OF THIS BUILDING.
THE UM, FAR SIDE ELEVATION IS THIS ONE.
SO THIS IS, IF YOU'RE STANDING AT THE FURTHEST POINT OF THE BUILDING, TWO TENANTS BAYS AWAY.
YOU'LL SEE THIS, THIS IS JUST THE EXTERIOR PORTION AT THE REAR.
SO AGAIN, OR THE FRONT, BUT THE REAR OF THE BUILDING, THE HIGHWAY RUNS ALONG HERE.
AND THEN ON THE REVERSE YOU CAN SEE THE WINDOW RIGHT HERE THAT'S BEING MODIFIED TO THAT ROLL UP AS WELL AS THE UM, ADDITIONAL COOLER SPACE AT THE BACK OF THE BUILDING HERE FOR THE BACK ELEVATION, WHICH IS THE SIDE THAT FACES THE HIGHWAY.
THIS IS THE PORTION THAT WILL BE THE ADDED COOLER SPACE.
SO THEY HAVE MADE THIS RECLINE MATCH THE PORTION OF THE BUILDING THAT IS A CORNER PIECE.
THEY'VE INCLUDED THE SAME SIDING MATERIAL AS WELL AS THE LITTLE CANY THERE.
SO THAT EDITA HAS SOME APPEARANCE THAT IT, THIS PORTION OF THIS REAL BUILDING AND NOT JUST SOMETHING THAT WAS ADDED ON AFTER THE FACT.
WE HAVE THE EQUIPMENT DETAILS BECAUSE IN ADDITION TO THIS THEY ARE DOING SOME INTERNAL CHANGES.
SO THERE IS A LITTLE BIT OF EQUIPMENT THAT'S BEING ADDED TO THE ROOF.
NONE OF THE EQUIPMENT THAT IS BEING ADDED WILL BE VISIBLE.
SO YOU CAN SEE RIGHT HERE THE HOOD DETAIL THAT IS POPPING UP THROUGH THE ROOF, BUT IT IS NOT GOING TO EXTEND PAST THE PARA THAT EXISTS ALREADY ON THE STRUCTURE.
THE COLOR BOARD THAT THEY'VE GOT IS RIGHT HERE.
THIS IS THE SAME COLOR SCHEME AS THE ORIGINAL APPROVAL.
SO THE BUILDING COLORS WILL MATCH THAT WHICH, UM, ARE ALREADY BEING PROPOSED ON THE SITE.
I ACTUALLY FOUND THE PHYSICAL COLOR BOARD, I MEANT TO BRING IT DOWN HERE JUST TO SHOW YOU THAT I'M A HOARDER, UM, SITTING ON MY DESK FROM IT.
AND SO I DID DOUBLE CHECK THESE COLORS TODAY.
THE DESIGN STANDARDS, WHICH ARE APPLICABLE ARE THE SECTION 3 17 3 OF THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT ORDINANCE BECAUSE THIS IS A CERTIFICATE APPROPRIATENESS FOR THE HIGHWAY QUARTER OVERLAY.
SO IT NEEDS TO BE IN LINE WITH THE DESIGN STANDARDS IN ARTICLE FIVE BECAUSE THIS IS LOCATED IN THE JONES ESTATE, WHICH IS THE NEW RIVERSIDE, UM, I'M SORRY, THE JONES ESTATE.
P U D, IT IS IN THE MAIN RIVER CHURCH POINT TRACK MAY RIVER, BAY RIVER ACROSS THE MASTER PLAN CHURCH POINT TRACK OF THAT.
UM, THE ARTICLE FIVE DESIGN STANDARDS DO NOT APPLY, BUT IT IS UM, APPLICABLE FOR THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT CONCEPT PLAN AND MASTER PLAN, WHICH I'VE OUTLINED IN YOUR STAFF REPORT.
IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER THEM.
FOUND STAFF HAS FOUND THAT, UM, WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS IT COULD BE APPROVED.
THEY DO NEED A LETTER FROM THE
THAT IS THE AOB FOR THE AREA, WHICH IS THE HALVERSON HOLDINGS LLC.
UM, AND THEN THE, ANY SIGNS THAT WOULD BE PERMITTED, WE'LL NEED TO GO THROUGH THE DESIGN PERMIT REVIEW PROCESS, WHICH IS A STANDARD, UM, COMMENT THAT I HAVE ON MOST APPLICATIONS IF THEY ARE COMMERCIAL.
I DUNNO IF I SAID THIS, BUT DAVID IS HERE ON BEHALF OF THE PROJECT, HE'S SITTING BEHIND ME.
SO, UM, ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE? YOU SAID EVERYTHING IS GOING TO BE HIDDEN BY THE ROOF AND I JUST NOTICED FOR THE FIRST TIME ON THE MECHANICALS, THE NEW AIR CONDITIONER'S GONNA BE ON THE GROUND OUTSIDE.
IS THAT ALLOWABLE ON THAT PROJECT OR SHOULD IT BE UP ON THE ROOF PAGE M 1 0 1, IF THAT HELPS ON ATTACHMENT TOO.
IT THAT DOES NOT HELP ME BECAUSE I DO NOT HAVE ADVANCE WITH YOU.
I'M SORRY, WHICH ELEVATION IS IT? IT'S THE ATTACHMENT TITLED HANG ON SITE PLAN AND ARCHITECTURALS ATTACHMENT TO AND THE, UM, IT'S THE H B A C PLAN.
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NOTICED IT.IF YOU GO ATTACHMENT TWO DOWN TO PAGE N 1 0 1, IT'S ABOUT THE SEVENTH PAGE DOWN.
THANK YOU FOR CATCHING THAT, CHARLIE.
YEAH, SORRY I READ THESE ALL DAY LONG AND I JUST HAPPENED TO NOTICE THAT
YEAH, SO AS IT'S LOCATED THERE, YOU COULD MAKE THAT A CONDITION THAT IT IS RELOCATED OR INCLUDED IN THE SCREEN.
RELOCATE H TWO THREE TO THE ROOF.
SO WHICH ROOF WOULD IT BE? THE WAY THEY'RE DOING IT? IT CAN GO RIGHT ABOVE.
THAT'D HAVE TO BE A PENETRATION.
SO, UM, IF YOU WANT TO MAKE THE, IF A MOTION IS PREFERRED, IT CAN BE MADE TO EXCLUDE PAGE 1 0 1 BECAUSE THAT IS NOT THE RIGHT LAYOUT FOR THIS.
UM, IT LOOKS LIKE THAT'S AN OLD SHEET THAT WAS INCLUDED IN THERE BECAUSE THAT'S NOT WHAT THE OUTSIDE OF THAT STRUCTURE LOOKS LIKE.
OKAY, WELL WHERE ARE WE SHOWING, DO WE HAVE SOMETHING SHOWING HP THREE IN NOTABLE? SHE SAID IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN INCLUDED.
THIS ONE AND ATTACHMENT TWO, I SAW THAT ATTACHMENT TWO PAGE THREE IS INCORRECT, IS WHAT SHE'S SAYING.
THAT'S THE ONE WHICH HAS ALTERED THAT S'S TIME THAT THAT DOCUMENT IS STATED.
AND OUR INTENT WAS TO PUT THE EQUIPMENT ON TOP OF THE ROOF, UM, BEHIND, UH, THE HIT ROOF THAT'S THERE AND WE WOULD RELOCATE THAT.
YOU HAVE TO BE ABOVE THE COOLERS ON THE NEW EDITION SO THERE WOULDN'T BE ANY EQUIPMENT VISIBLE.
THEN IT, IT SHOULDN'T BE A PROBLEM WITH US MAKING THE CONDITION OF APPROVAL.
LET'S JUST MAKE SURE YOU DO IT THE WAY YOU SAY YOU'RE GONNA DO IT.
DAVID ROBERTSON WITH STAGS PUBLIC.
IS THAT THE PLAN THAT YOU REVIEWED VERSUS WHAT WAS PRINTED? I THINK THAT'S THE CASE BECAUSE SEE THE FLOOR PLAN THAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT, THIS IS THE FLOOR PLAN RIGHT HERE AND I THINK THE PRINTED VERSION OF THE APPLICATION DOESN'T INCLUDE THAT PAGE BECAUSE THAT IS, I'M SORRY I DIDN'T CATCH BY Y'ALL.
UM, I MEAN IT'S NOT A BIG DEAL.
WE JUST, YEAH, WE JUST MAKE SURE THAT, YEAH, PERFECT.
I THINK IT'S ABOUT, I THINK IT WOULD BE BEST TO GO AHEAD AND JUST INCLUDE IT AS A CONDITION.
WE KNOW IT'S, WE'VE GOT THE APPLICANT HERE SAYING THAT THEY WILL MEET THAT CONDITION, SO MIGHT AS WELL MAKE IT CLEAR FOR THE RECORD.
SO THERE'D BE THREE CONDITIONS RIGHT NOW, THE LETTER APPROVAL, THE SIGN PERMIT AND MOVING THE AIR CONDITIONING.
UM, IT'S PROBABLY MORE OF THE KATIE QUESTION, BUT I'LL LET YOU FINISH TYPING.
UM, CAN YOU BACK, GO BACK TO THE SITE PLAN.
SO THE BUILDING IS 75 FEET, TWO INCHES, UM, AND THERE'S A 75 FOOT SETBACK I HEARD YOU SAY.
UM, BUT THAT WALKWAY, THERE APPEARS TO BE A WALKWAY THAT EXTENDS, YOU KNOW, PROBABLY FIVE FOOT INTO THAT.
IS THAT, WOULD THAT WALKWAY BE ALLOWED IN THE BUFFER? IT'S A 75 FOOT, IT'S A 75 FOOT COMMERCIAL SETBACK AND THERE'S A 50 FOOT BUFFER OR SAFETY, BUT BUFFER.
ANYTHING FURTHER? MAY I HAVE A MOTION ALSO BEFORE, UM, THE NEXT TIME THIS GETS SUBMITTED, CAN WE SEE ALL THOSE BUFFERS AND SETBACKS ON THE SITE PLAN SO THAT I DON'T ASK THIS QUESTION AGAIN IN THE FUTURE
ANY OTHER DISCUSSION BEFORE WE I'LL GO AHEAD AND MAKE THE MOTION.
UM, UH, I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE THE SUBMITTAL FROM NEW YORK CITY PIZZA FOR THE OUTFIT WITH THE FOLLOWING THREE CONDITIONS THAT, UM, THEY PROVIDE A LETTER OF APPROVAL FROM A REQUESTING
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MASTER PLAN, DECLARANT RESPONSIBLE FOR THE COVENANTS AND RESTRICTIONS FOR THE COMMUNITY THAT PER THE APPLICATIONS MANUAL, THE TOWN OF BLUFF AND SIGN PERMIT MUST BE SUBMITTED TO FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL AND THAT AIR CONDITIONING UNIT, H P THREE, THE NEW AIR CONDITIONER WOULD BE LOCATED ON THE ROOF AND FULLY SCREENED FROM VIEW.DO I HAVE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR? ANY OPPOSED? RIGHT.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR APPRECIATE.
[4. River Dog Brewing Co. (Certificate of Appropriateness - Highway Corridor Overlay)]
NUMBER FOUR IS THE RIVER DOG BREWING COMPANY, A REQUEST BY DAN KEEPER ON BEHALF OF THE OWNERS MICHAEL BRADLEY HOLDINGS FOR APPROVAL OF A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR A 5.18 ACRE DEVELOPMENT CONSISTING OF 20,000 SQUARE FEET PRODUCTION BREWERY, 30 SQUARE THOUSAND SQUARE FOOT SPACE AL ALLOCATED RESTAURANTS, TENANTS, RETAIL AND ITS BUSINESS OFFICE IS IN A TASTING ROOM AND THE ASSOCIATED PARKING, DRIVEWAYS, LIGHTING AND LANDSCAPING.KATIE, TAKE IT AWAY, CHAIRMAN.
THE PROJECT LOCATION I HAVE HIGHLIGHTED HERE ON THE MAP FOR YOU.
SO YOU HAVE BUCK ISLAND ROAD AND THEN THE STREET BELOW IT IS MAY RIVER ROAD, WHICH MAKES THIS A HIGHWAY CORRIDOR.
UM, BECAUSE BUILDINGS CANNOT BE BUILT OVER PROPERTY LINES, THEY ARE GOING TO HAVE TO COMBINE THE LOT AS WAS INDICATED IN THERE.
UM, WHICH MAKES THIS WHOLE SITE NEED TO BECOME COMPLIANT WITH THE HIGHWAY ORDER OF STANDARDS.
THIS IS THE SITE PLAN FOR SO MAY ROAD AGAIN AT THE BOTTOM OF YOUR SCREEN, UM, THERE IS A PAVILION SHOWN HERE.
THIS IS THE RETENTION POND THAT IS ALREADY ON THE, THE SITE.
THERE'S PARKING AT THE TOP END TOWARDS BUCK ISLAND ROAD HERE.
THIS IS JENNIFER PORT THAT TALKS AROUND WITH PARTNERS GAS STATION IN THE BOTTOM LEFT HAND CORNER OF THIS UM, SQUARE SET OF PARTNERS.
UM, I HAVE THIS, THE FIRST FLOOR PLAN.
YOU CAN SEE IT ON HERE DURING I APOLOGIZE.
AND THEN THE SECOND FLOOR PLAN IS THE HERE.
SO YOU'VE GOT TWO FLOORS IN THERE WITH THE ROOF PLAN, WHICH I'VE INCLUDED.
I DID ZOOM IN ON THAT ROOF PLAN JUST A LITTLE BIT SO YOU COULD SEE IT A LITTLE BETTER.
AND I'M GOING TO FLIP THROUGH THESE SLIDES ON THE SIDE AS QUICKLY.
THEY ARE ALL INCLUDED IN YOUR PACKET.
UM, AND IF YOU'RE WATCHING ONLINE, THEY ARE ON THE TOWN OF LEFT WEBSITE IN THE AGENDA CENTER THROUGH THE PLANNING COMMISSION LINK FOR TONIGHT.
UM, I'M HAPPY TO GO BACK TO ANY OF THESE THAT YOU NEED, BUT BECAUSE THERE ARE A LOT OF SLIDES I ZOOMED IN ON THINGS FOR YOU.
UM, I'LL MOVE QUICKLY THROUGH THEM.
THE OVERALL ELEVATIONS, UM, SO THIS IS THE FRONT ELEVATION, WHICH IS THEY'RE LABELING INTO THE FRONT ELEVATION.
IT IS THE FRONT OF THE STRUCTURE, HOWEVER IT IS THE BUCK ISLAND ROAD, PARKERS WEST ELEVATION.
SO IT'S THE LEFT SIDE OF THE LOT OF THE FRONT ELEVATION OF THE BUILDING.
THIS ONE DOWN HERE IS THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE BUILDING, THE MAY RIVER ROAD OR SOUTH ELEVATION.
SO THIS IS WHAT PHASES TOWARDS THE FEAR GARDEN PAVILION AND THEN MAY RIVER ROAD, I HAVE THE TOWARDS RED CEDAR.
OF COURSE IT DOES NOT, IT IS NOT VISIBLE FROM RED CEDAR, BUT IT IS TOWARDS THAT DIRECTION, WHICH IS YOUR EAST ELEVATION.
AND THEN THE NORTH ELEVATION, WHICH IS CURRENTLY A VACANT PARCEL ABOVE IT FOR THE MOST PART.
UM, SO THAT IS THE NORTH ELEVATION IS HOW I'VE CALLED IT.
THEN THEY, UM, IN THEIR PLAN SET, THEY BROKE DOWN THE PLAN SO THAT YOU COULD ZOOM IN ON THE ELEMENTS AND SEE SOME OF THOSE MATERIALS LISTED OUT MORE CLEARLY.
UM, THE WAY THAT THIS IS ON THE SCREEN IS THE TOP IS THE FULL ELEVATION WITH A PORTION OF IT ZOOMED IN ON THE BOTTOM OF THE SLIDE.
SO FOR THIS ONE YOU CAN SEE WHERE IT CUTS OFF RIGHT HERE.
SO THIS IS THAT FRONT OR BUCK ISLAND ROAD SIDE OF THE STRUCTURE.
WITH THE SECOND HALF OF THAT HERE YOU CAN SEE THE MAIN ENTRANCES HERE WITH THE TENANT SPACES ON THE LEFT TOWARDS THE BEER GARDEN AREA, WHICH WILL BE ON THE VERY RIGHT SIDE OF THE SCREEN HERE.
THIS IS THE RIGHT SIDE ELEVATION, WHICH THIS IS THE SIDE THAT FACES TOWARDS MAY RIVER ROAD.
THE BEER GARDEN WOULD BE IN FRONT OF THIS.
SO THE PAVILION WILL BE, UM, AT THE, I GUESS THE BOTTOM IF YOU'RE MAKING IT FLAT HERE.
AND THEN THIS IS THE ZOOMED IN VERSION OF THAT WITH THE ZOOMED IN VERSION OF THE LEFT HAND SIDE OF THE RIGHT HAND ELEVATION.
UM, AND YOU CAN SEE THEY'VE, UM, MADE THE SILOS IS WHAT I WANT TO CALL THEM BECAUSE I'M FROM IOWA.
BUT THE BIG METAL THINGS THAT HOLD LIQUID, UM, ARE, ARE INVISIBLE HERE.
SO YOU CAN SEE THE WALL DETAIL BEHIND THAT WHERE THEY'VE GOT THE BARN DOORS SHOWING THERE GONNA COME UP WITH THE WORD OF THEM HERE SOMEWHERE.
UM, THIS IS THE REAR ELEVATION.
SO THIS IS THE SIDE THAT IS FACING TOWARDS RED CEDAR.
UM, SO THIS IS, YOU'RE SEEING THE TOP OF THE ROOF LINE THAT FACES TOWARDS THE PARKING AREA AND TOWARDS BUCK ISLAND ROAD.
UM, YOU'VE GOT THE THREE GARAGE DOORS FOR THE ENTRY, THE UM, DROP OFFS
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AND THINGS LIKE THAT AS WELL AS PICKUPS.AND THEN YOU'VE GOT THE, UM, TENANT SPACES WITH THE BACK, THOSE ENTRANCES THERE.
UM, YOU HAVE THE ZOOMED IN VERSION AGAIN FOR BOTH OF THOSE.
AND THEN THIS FINAL SIDE IS THE, UM, IT WOULD BE THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE LOT.
THE NORTH SIDE OF THE NOTES, THE NORTH SIDE OF THE LOT, THE LEFT SIDE OF THE BUILDING.
IT'S THE SIZE THAT FACES TOWARDS THAT VACANT, UM, PARCEL.
SO THIS IS TOWARDS THE TOP OF YOUR SCREEN ON THAT SITE PLAN.
THESE ARE THE ELEVATIONS FOR THE PAVILION.
SO THIS PAVILION SITS UP TOWARDS MAY RIVER ROAD.
UM, SO THIS IS THE UM, BUILDING FACING SIDE WHERE THE NORTH SIDE, IF YOU'RE IS FACING NORTH, THIS IS FACING TOWARDS PARKERS, FACING TOWARDS MA RIVER ROAD.
SO YOU'VE GOT THE BRICK WALL OF THE, THE ROOF WHICH WILL BE VISIBLE TO MA RIVER ROAD THROUGH THAT BUFFER.
AND THEN FACING TOWARDS RED CEDAR, YOU'LL GET THIS SIDE VIEW OF THIS.
AGAIN, IT IS NOT VISIBLE FROM RED SEAGER BUT FACING THAT DIRECTION.
AND THEN THE DUMPSTER ENCLOSURE ELEVATIONS BECAUSE IT IS A STRUCTURE ON THE SITE.
SO IT HAS ARCHITECTURAL DETAILS.
SO THE DUMPSTER ENCLOSURE IS PROPOSED TO BE A SIX FOOT MINIMUM, UM, WOULD TREND, UM, DUMPSTER ENCLOSURE.
THIS IS THE COLOR BOARD FOR THE SITE.
SO IT IS PRIMARILY, UM, BRICK CHEROKEE, SAVANNAH GRAY AND UM, CHEROKEE VALOR, LIGHT GRAY AND BRICKS WITH METAL, UM, GRAY PANELING AS WELL AS CHARCOAL AND SOME LIGHT YELLOWS AND A LITTLE BIT OF AN EARTH, EARTH RED CHARCOAL THERE.
SO THESE ARE THE EARTH TONES THAT THEY ARE PROPOSED, WHICH DO MEET THE COLOR REQUIREMENTS FOR THE SITE.
THIS IS A PERSPECTIVE THAT WAS PROVIDED BY THE APPLICANT.
UM, I HIGHLIGHTED VERY TIGHTLY DOWN IN THE CORNER.
UM, SO WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT IS YOU'RE STANDING TOWARDS A RIVER ROAD LOOKING INTO THE SITE.
SO PARKERS WOULD BE ON YOUR LEFT HAND SIDE IF YOU'RE STANDING IN THIS AREA.
AND THEN ON THIS ONE YOU'RE STANDING KIND OF IN THE PARKING AREA LOOKING TOWARDS MAY RIVER ROAD, MAY ROAD WOULD BE BEHIND THIS TREELINE.
UM, KIND OF WHERE THESE BIGGER TREES ARE ALONG THE BACK HERE.
SO THIS IS THE FRONT ELEVATION, THE LEFT SIDE OF THE LOT.
UM, SO PARKERS WOULD BE OFF THE SCREEN HERE FOR IT.
THIS IS THE LANDSCAPE PLAN THAT WAS PROVIDED.
SO YOU CAN SEE THE EXISTING POND IS HERE.
THIS IS THAT PAVILION DOWN HERE AS WELL AS THE RETAIL INDEPENDENCE BASE AND THE BREWERY.
SO, UM, THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING IS HERE, WHICH IS THE ASSIGN I MAY ROAD RUNS ALONG THE BOTTOM OF THE SCREEN.
THERE IS THE, UM, THIS IS THE PAVING PLAN THAT WAS PROVIDED AS WELL AS THE, LET'S SEE, WE'VE GOT ALL OF THEM IN HERE.
YOU CAN SEE SOME OF THE SIGHT LIGHTING FOR THE TREES AND THINGS IN HERE.
THIS IS THE PLANTING PLAN, WHICH HAS ZOOMED IN PORTION OF THE BEER GARDEN.
THE WORD IS SISTER I WAS LOOKING FOR.
HERE'S THE PLANT SCHEDULE ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE HERE, AS WELL AS THE CANOPY COVERAGE, WHICH IS PROPOSED FOR THE SITE.
YOU CAN SEE THAT A MAJORITY OF PARKING AREA AND THE BEER GARDEN AREA IS COVERED IN CANOPY WITH THE BUILDING FOOTPRINT HERE.
AND THE PAVILION IS THAT SMALL WHITE SPACE AT THE BOTTOM OF THE SCREEN THERE, THE LANDSCAPE OF DETAILS, THESE WERE ALL DETAILS.
UM, SOME OF THEM WERE ON DIFFERENT PAGES.
I DID CUT AND PASTE SO THAT I COULD MAKE MORE OF THEM FIT HERE BECAUSE MOST OF THEM ARE THINGS THAT YOU HAVE SEEN BEFORE.
AND THEN THIS IS THE, UM, THERE'S AN A TRELLIS THAT IS PROPOSED ON THE SITE PLAN.
IT IS PROPOSED OVER IN THIS AREA HERE.
AND I CAN FIND IT ON THE SITE PLAN IN A MOMENT, A LITTLE BIGGER FOR YOU.
SO THERE'S THE PAVILION, THE MAIN BUILDING, BEER GARDEN AREA, AND THEN THAT'S THE LITTLE TRELLIS DETAIL THAT YOU'RE SEEING HERE.
SO YOU CAN SEE IT'S NOT ENOUGH.
AND THEN THIS IS A, UM, CONCEPTUAL DECIBEL PLAN THAT WAS PROVIDED, UM, ALONG WITH THIS SET OF PLANS.
SO I INCLUDED IT ON THE REVIEW CRITERIA FOR THIS.
THIS AREA IS LOCATED, UM, IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD FOR DISTRICT.
SO IT DOES RUN OFF OF OUR UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT ORDINANCE, WHICH MEANS THE CRITERIA IN ARTICLE FIVE DESIGN STANDARDS ARE THE APPLICABLE, UM, ARCHITECTURAL STANDARDS, WHICH THE PLAN NEEDS TO BE IN COMPLIANCE.
THERE IS, UM, IT WILL NEED TO BE IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR THE SITE, THE OLD TOWN MASTER PLAN, WHILE IT IS NOT LOCATED IN OLD
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TOWN, THE OLD TOWN MASTER PLAN DOES IDENTIFY THIS AS THE ENTRANCE CORRIDOR TO OLD TOWN.UM, AND SO IT, IT SPEAKS TO NEEDING TO HAVE HIGH SET OF ARCHITECTURAL, UM, FOR THIS TOWN.
IT IS IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE OLD TOWN MASTER PLAN AS THE GATEWAY TO THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.
AND THEN THE DEEDS, THE DECLARATION OF GOVERNMENT COVENANTS, CONDITIONS AND RESTRICTIONS FOR THE SITE.
BECAUSE THIS IS LOCATED IN THE BRIGHT COMMERCIAL SUBDIVISION, WE JUST NEED SOMETHING THAT SAYS THAT THEY ARE THE DECLARANT.
UM, I DID RECEIVE AN EMAIL FROM, UM, I THINK HE CAME FROM JAMES YESTERDAY, A COPY OF THE COVENANTS SHOWING THAT THE OWNER IS THE DECLARANT FOR THIS SITE.
BUT, UM, I DID NOT HAVE IT AT THE TIME THAT THIS STAFF REPORT WAS WRITTEN.
SO THAT IS SOMETHING THAT HAS BEEN TAKEN CARE OF, BUT DOES EXIST AS THIS IS A CERTIFICATE PROGRAM.
THE PLAINTIFF COMMISSION HAS THE AUTHORITY TO APPROVE APPROVAL OF CONDITIONS OR DENY THE APPLICATION SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT.
WHEN THEY TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION THE CRITERIA WHICH ARE FOUND IN SECTION 3 17 3 OF OUR UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT ORDINANCE.
TOWN STAFF HAS IDENTIFIED SOME AREAS, UM, THAT NEED TO BE ADDRESSED TO BE IN COMPLIANCE WITH THOSE SECTIONS.
UM, AND THEY ARE IDENTIFIED IN YOUR STAFF REPORT.
AND ON THIS SLIDES HERE, I AM HAPPY TO GO THROUGH THEM.
UM, DAN KEEPER IS THE ACTING ON THE PROJECT, BUT JAMES AND DAN ARE BOTH HERE, IT LOOKS LIKE.
YES, YOU DISAPPEARED ON ME TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF THE PROJECT.
UM, AND I HAVEN'T ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS I HAVE.
JAMES, WOULD YOU LIKE TO, OR THE, WHOEVER THE APPLICANT.
WOULD YOU LIKE TO SPEAK TO THE, I'M SURE THERE'LL BE QUESTIONS FOR BOTH OF US.
WE ALSO HAVE
UH, DAN, DAN, WHAT WE'RE DOING FOR JAMES ATKINS.
COREY ATKINS, WE WERE GONNA GO THROUGH THE LIST OF COMMENTS AND PROBABLY MAKE SENSE TO DO OUR PICTURE FIRST CAUSE THERE'S SOME BACKGROUND FIRST WITH THAT.
UM, OBVIOUSLY REALLY AN IMPORTANT PROJECT FOR ALL OF US.
WE WANNA GET THIS THING RIGHT.
I THOUGHT, UH, JAMES ACTING'S ACTING GROUP I UP HERE EARLIER.
UM, THE, JUST SO I GIVE A LITTLE HISTORY ON THE PROJECT FOR YOU ALL IN SOME CONTEXT.
UM, WE WENT THROUGH THIS PROCESS, UH, SEVERAL YEARS AGO.
UM, GOT HIGHWAY QUARTER OVERLAY DISTRICT APPROVAL IN 2008.
PUT THE PROJECT ON HOLD FOR A LITTLE WHILE.
UM, THE TOWN REACHED OUT TO US EARLY 2020, UH, SAID THAT OUR APPLICATION WAS EXPIRING OR WOULD YOU LIKE TO EXTEND IT? UM, THEY WERE KIND ENOUGH TO GRANT IT FOR A YEAR, BUT WE WERE IN THE MIDST OF COVID AND PROBABLY NOT THE BEST TIME TO BUILD A MULTIMILLION DOLLAR BREWERY.
UM, AND SO, UM, WHEN WE WERE READY TO KICK THIS OFF AGAIN, WE, UH, MET WITH TOWN STAFF TO KIND OF GO THROUGH, UH, THE PROJECT AND WHAT IS CHANGED AND WHAT IS NEW.
UH, WE TOOK THIS AS AN OPPORTUNITY, I THINK, AND I BROUGHT IMAGES OF WHAT WAS PREVIOUSLY APPROVED, UH, TO GREATLY ENHANCE THE ARCHITECTURE OF THE BUILDING AND REALLY ADD SOME ADDITIONAL DETAIL AND LEVEL OF CHARACTER TO THIS PROJECT.
UM, ALSO, UH, IT'S AN IMPORTANT PROJECT WHERE IT'S LOCATED WHAT'S AROUND IT.
UH, SO I DID BRING A WHOLE BUNCH OF PHOTOS FOR SITE CONTEXT CAUSE I'M SURE YOU ALL HAVE BEEN BY THE SITE, SEEN THINGS, SEEN THE NEIGHBORS, SEEN WHAT'S CROSS STREET, PROBABLY FILLED OUT THE PARKERS.
UM, BUT TO HAVE THEM IN FRONT OF YOU, UM, FOR IMAGES, AND I MENTIONED KEVIN SAID BRING 10 COPIES.
UM, SO I CAN PROVIDE THOSE IF THERE'S REFERENCES TO ANY CONTEXT, UH, AROUND HERE.
BUT, UH, WITH THAT, UM, HAPPY TO GO THROUGH SOME OF THE ARCHITECTURAL ITEMS THAT BROUGHT UP SPECIFICALLY.
WHAT'S THE BEST WAY TO DO THIS? UH, IF YOU USE THE UP AND DOWN ARROWS AND DOWN ARROWS ROLLING, FIND SOME ARCHITECTURE.
THE ONES THAT ARE LISTED OVERALL ELEVATIONS HAVE THE FULL, LIKE TWO ELEVATIONS ON ONE SCREEN IF YOU WANNA GO UP.
UH, SO UNIQUE SITE, BIG PROPERTY, BIG BUILDING.
UM, THOUGHT IT WAS APPROPRIATE TO SITE THIS BUILDING A LITTLE FARTHER OFF THE MAIN ROAD, UM, JUST TO GIVE US A LOT OF DEATH AND POOL OF YOUR GARDEN AND PIERCE BRICK FENCE YOU SAW IN THE PERSPECTIVE.
AND, UH, SOME ARCHITECTURAL ELEMENT UP TO NEAR THE STREET TO ADDRESS THE CORRIDOR, BUT KEEP IT SIMPLE AND DELICATE, WHICH IS WHERE THE PAVILION CAME FROM.
UM, IN THE COMMENTS, THERE IS A REFERENCE TO SIGNAGE.
IT IS SIMPLY A BRICK INSET, UM, TO WHICH THE ALLOWABLE SIZE SIGN WAS SET INTO, UM, IF THE PLANNING, THE TOWN STAFF REPORTED THAT IT HAD TO BE REDUCED TO 40 SQUARE FEET, BUT THEN YOU WOULDN'T SEE IT, SO THEN YOU WOULDN'T DO IT.
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BUT IT WAS MEANT TO JUST PROVIDE A, IT'S STILL ALL BRICK, IT'S JUST A, A PLACEHOLDER, A PLACE LIKE A CHANGE IN MATERIAL TO WHICH THE SIGN WOULD BE PLACED WITHIN THE FRAME.NOT UNLIKE, UH, THE MAYOR OF CROSSING WE JUST SAW, WHICH HAD A PANEL DETAIL STUCK BETWEEN HIGH LASTERS TO WHICH, WHICH THE SIGN WOULD GO.
SO JUST WANTED TO, SO EVEN IF THE, UM, IT'LL ALWAYS BE THAT SIZE, BUT THE SIGN ITSELF MIGHT BE SMALLER SIGN WILL DEFINITELY BE SMALLER, BUT, BUT THE, THE INLAY OF THE CHANGE OF MATERIAL WILL STAY EXACTLY LIKE THAT.
AND AGAIN, IF IT IS AN ISSUE, WE CAN REMOVE THE BRICK INLAY.
AND WE JUST THOUGHT IT WOULD BE NICE TO BREAK UP THE ELEVATION AND WE CAN JUST HAVE THE LIGHTS CHANTING ON THE BRICK WALL.
SO IT'S NOT THE SIGN, IT'S A BRICK DETAIL.
UM, LET ME GET MY SHEET SHEET OF, CAUSE MY MEMORY IS NOT WHAT IT USED TO BE.
UM, THE SECOND ONE WAS ABOUT THE PAVILION, AN ARCHITECTURE, SORRY, THIS IS GONNA GET EVERYONE HEADED, SO I'M SORRY.
UH, WE HAD THE PLACEMENT OF PAVILION, WHICH I'LL SPEND A LOT OF TIME ON.
UM, MR. REGARD HAS CHANGED CERTIFICATE GRANTED WITHOUT REVIEW FROM THE TOWN.
UM, WE KNOW ANY CHANGES WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO GO AROUND.
UH, I'LL SPEND SOME TIME TALKING ABOUT THE ROOFS, SO I'LL GET BACK TO ELEVATIONS ON THAT.
UM, THE METAL SIDING, UM, LET'S TALK ABOUT THAT REAL QUICK.
UM, BUT WE'RE GONNA COME BACK TO THE PAVILION DISCUSSION.
WE'LL COME BACK TO THE, AND THE, I THINK THOSE ARE IMPORTANT ARCHITECTURAL ITEMS TO DISCUSS.
CHRISTIAN, UH, ISN'T THIS SOMETHING THAT WE USUALLY SEE THE RESPONSES TO ALL OF THESE? I'VE NEVER, I DON'T REMEMBER SEEING LIKE 20 CONDITIONS.
NO, WE, I MEAN THAT WAS JUST, IF THE APPLICANT PROVIDES RESPONSES, IT'S HELPFUL, BUT THEY, IT WASN'T A REQUIREMENT.
BECAUSE
THE APPLICATION PACKAGE IS SUBMITTED AND THEN BROUGHT STRAIGHT BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
SO IT IS SOMETHING THAT, UM, THE APPLICATION REVIEW MATERIALS ARE DUE FOUR WEEKS IN ADVANCE OF THE MEETING.
AND THAT IS WHAT WE GO ON TO GET BEFORE HERE.
SO THERE IS TYPICALLY NOT A RESPONSE TO COMMENTS FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS.
TOWN STAFF IS LOOKING AT SOME OF THE PROCESSES, UM, TO TRY AND POTENTIALLY ADD THAT DRC OR SOME, UM, PRELIMINARY STEP IN THERE SO THAT WE CAN REDUCE SOME OF THESE ITEMS. BUT THAT IS A DISCUSSION FOR A PROCESS TABLE AND A LATER DAY.
SO NO, THERE'S NOT TYPICALLY A RESPONSE TO COMMENTS FOR CERTIFICATE APPROPRIATENESS.
UH, LET'S TALK ABOUT METAL PANEL REAL QUICK.
I DON'T HAVE TO GO BACK AND FORTH NOW, SO I WILL.
SO WE GOING, I'LL GET TO THE ELEVATIONS.
IT IS IN ONCE, UH, WHAT ARE WE TALKING ABOUT RIGHT NOW? UH, METAL PANEL.
CAUSE I THINK SOME OF THESE ARE TECHNICAL AND THE OTHER ONES ARE BIG PICTURE STUFF.
UH, WE HAVE METAL PANEL, WHICH IS, UH, ON THE KIND OF BACK END OF THE PRODUCTION.
UM, THE 2018 18, UH, COFA THAT WAS APPROVED FOR THIS PROJECT ACKNOWLEDGED ALSO THAT METAL PANEL WAS NOT AN APPROVED MATERIAL AT THAT TIME.
UH, THE PLANNING COMMISSION, UH, APPROVED THE METAL PANEL IN THOSE LIMITED EDITIONS ON THE BACK, BUT WAS THE RIGHT THERE.
WHAT WE APPROVED THEN IS NOT NECESSARILY WHAT WE'RE GONNA PROVE NOW.
I'M JUST, WE HAVE DIFFERENT NUMBERS ON THAT.
I MEAN, I, THE PICTURES, UM, CAUSE I WANT TO, UM, BUT BACK THEN, DIDN'T WE SAY IT HAD TO BE A BOARD AND BAT? THAT'S WHICH IS WHAT, AND NOT THE, I GUESS WHATEVER YOU SUBMITTED WAS DE CORRUGATED OR SOMETHING.
UH, LET'S STUMBLE THROUGH TO ANOTHER NUMBER.
I IT, DO YOU HAVE A CARRY IT? YEAH, I'LL JUST, WE GET
OBVIOUSLY ANYTHING THAT IS PROVIDED TO THE COMMISSION AT A HEARING IS INCORPORATED INTO THE, UH, THE DOCUMENTS THAT ARE GONNA BE AVAILABLE ONLINE SO THAT THE PUBLIC WILL GET AN OPPORTUNITY TO SEE EXACTLY WHAT YOU'VE SEEN.
AND WE CAN'T MAKE OUR RULING BASED ON ANYTHING THAT HAVE BEEN NECESSARILY PROVIDED.
CAUSE IT WASN'T IN THE REVIEW FROM STAFF.
I JUST, I WANTED TALKING TO STAFF.
I THOUGHT THERE WAS THAT'S FINE.
I JUST MAKE SURE FOR THE RECORD.
SO IN, UH, THE, UM, 2018 AREAS BUILDING WHERE METAL PANEL ARE PROPOSED ARE EXTERIOR APPROVED AS SUBMITTED AS TO PURELY BORN MASS CITING, UM, THIS IS A, THERE'S A SIMILAR BUILDING, UH, THAT'S BEAUTIFULLY EVERYONE KNOWS THE, THE
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DISTILLING PROJECT BEAUTIFULLY DESIGNED.UM, AND OUR PROPOSAL IS TO USE A SIMILAR METAL BUILDING IN THE SAME CAPACITY AT THE PRODUCTION.
SO IF YOU LOOK AT PAGE PICTURE, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, UM, BRICK BUILDING METAL PANEL ON THE BACKSIDE IN THE PRODUCTION AREAS, UM, AND THEN TRANSITIONS TO THOSE THINGS.
SO WE'RE PROPOSING THE SAME BOARD AND BATON TYPE DETAILING THAT WAS RECENTLY APPROVED BY PLANNING COMMISSION ON THIS PROJECT IN THE BACK ONLY, UM, FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.
SO I JUST WANTED TO SHOW THAT THERE'S SOME PRECEDENT, RECENT PRECEDENT OF THAT.
UM, THE, UH, WE'LL TALK ABOUT THE PAVILION, THE, UH, UNARTICULATED FACADE.
I BELIEVE IT'S REFERENCE TO THIS SERVICE SIDE HERE, WHICH IS ALL SERVICE YARD, UM, AND SOME MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT.
UH, AGAIN, I WOULD KIND OF REFERENCE PICTURE, UH, 16 AND 15 IN THIS PACKAGE AS A SIMILAR TYPE, UM, SURFACE ORIENTED FACADE, UH, THAT WE ARE PROPOSING HERE.
UM, I MENTIONED WE COULD LOOK AT DOING SOME BRACKETED UH, AWNINGS OVER THE OVERHEAD DOORS, WHICH WOULD HELP.
YEAH, I WOULD JUST, I WOULD SAY THE DIFFERENCE IS YOUR BUILDING, ISN'T IT MUCH LONGER.
UH, IT'S ABOUT 50 FEET LONGER.
UM, SO I THINK THAT SOMETHING'S GONNA NEED TO HAPPEN TO HELP BREAK THAT UP.
AND, AND WE CAN, WE CAN DISCUSS THAT AND GET YOUR ALLS FEEDBACK.
AGAIN, I, I OFFER UP GETTING SOME BRACKET AWNING ROOFS OVER THE OVERHEAD DOORS.
UM, OBVIOUSLY THE SERVICE YARD IS GONNA PROVIDE A LOT OF DEPTH TO THIS THING.
UM, AND THEN THERE WAS, UM, SOME, UH, SILOS WAS THE CORRECT TERM BY THE WAY.
I THINK IT'S A GREAT HOMAGE TO THE AGRARIAN HISTORY OF, OF, UH, BLUFFTON AND THE FARMS HERE AND REALLY HAS A, A KIND OF A RURAL OLD FIELD TO IT.
UM, THERE ARE AROUND, THERE'S SOME, UH, NOT QUITE AS LARGE, BUT THERE ARE SOME ON THE FACILITY THAT WE WERE JUST MENTIONING ON THE, UH, LEFT SIDE, WHICH WOULD BE PICTURE 19.
UM, SO THEY ARE ACTIVE GRAIN, SO THEY ARE ACTUALLY PART OF THE PRODUCTION FACILITY.
AND THOSE ARE SIZED ACCORDING TO THE PRODUCTION? THAT'S CORRECT.
SO THEY KEEP POPS AND GRAINS AND SO IT'S JUST ORDERING SMALL BAGS FOR LARGE PRODUCTIONS DOESN'T MAKE FINANCIAL SENSE.
THEY BRING A BIG SEMI-TRAILER IN THEY DESIGN SO THEY CAN PULL OFF AND THEY PUT WITH A BIG, AND SO THOSE WILL ALWAYS BE PRODUCTION.
IT'S NOT LIKE THEY THINK THEY'RE GONNA USE 'EM FOR PRODUCTION AND LATER CHANGE THEM TO BE DECORATIVE.
NO, NO, THESE, THESE ARE PART OF THE, UM, GRAIN SILENCES FOR THE PRODUCTION OF THE, THEY USE A LOT OF WATER AND THEY USE A LOT OF GRAIN AND THIS IS THE TUBE.
AND THEN THEY TAKE ALL THE GRAIN TO DONATE THE FARMERS AND UM, THEY USE IT FOR BIRD LIGHTS AND EVERYTHING.
SO IT'S SOMEWHAT A AND THEY PARTNERED WITH A LOT OF LOCAL FARMS AND STUFF TO TAKE THEIR, AND THEY FLUIDIZED THE GRAIN, UH, FROM THE TRUCKS TO THE GR TO THE MILK TO THE, TO THE TANKS.
I'M SORRY, WHAT? THEY BLOW IT, IT'S A BIG HOSE AND THEN IT GOES THROUGH A, UH, A CHAMBER AND LIKE A CHAIN TUBE AND THEN IT COMES IN INTO AN EXPLOSION PROOF ROOM.
THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S WHAT I WAS GETTING TO.
CUZ IF IT'S FLUIDIZED, THE EXPLOSION PROOF ROOM.
PROOF ROOM RIGHT ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THOSE SILOS.
UM, YOU CAN SEE A SIMILAR TYPE PROCESS AT SOUTHERN BARREL COMPETE BACK IN THERE.
BUT, UM, AND THEN COMES OUT OF THE HOT LIQUOR TANKS, THE SPENT GRAINS, AND THEN IT GOES TO, UM, THE BACK WHERE THEY GET PICKED UP.
ALL THE INTERNAL TANKS ARE THE, UM, FIRM ENTERS.
AND SO THAT'S WHERE ALL THE LIQUID IS.
BREW HOUSE IS HERE, COMES OUTTA THE BREW HOUSE INTO THE FERMENTING TANKS.
THEY STAY IN THERE FOR, UH, I DON'T KNOW, TWO TO SOMETIMES A MONTH.
UM, AND THEN THEY, UH, GET CANNED OR, UH, KEGGED AND THEN THEY COME INTO THE COLD STORAGE HERE.
SO WE'VE KIND OF SPECIFICALLY ORIENTED THE, UM, THE PRODUCTION SIDE OF THINGS FURTHER AWAY FROM THE RESIDENTIAL SIDE.
UM, AND I THINK THOSE WERE THE ARCHITECTURAL COMMENTS.
SO LET'S GET TO THE, THE BIG, UH, PICTURE ONES.
LET'S TALK ABOUT THE, AND THE, JUST FOR THE RECORD, FOR THE PUBLIC THAT MIGHT BE WATCHING, THE DOCUMENTS THAT JAMES PROVIDED ARE PICTURES OF THE SURROUNDING SITE CONDITIONS AND ALSO EXAMPLES OF THE BURNT CHURCH DISTILLERY AS FAR AS MATERIALS ARE CONCERNED.
THERE ARE ALSO SOME PICTURES, UH, IN HERE RELATED TO THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES,
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UM, THE CORRIDOR.SO WHEN WE GET INTO THE CIVILIAN CONVERSATION, UM, I HAVE ONE OTHER, UH, EXHIBIT IF I MAY PASS OUT CAUSE I THINK IT'LL PROVIDE A LITTLE CONTEXT AND HOPEFULLY YOU AGREE THIS IS WHAT WAS APPROVED BY PLANNING COMMISSION FOR CORRIDOR.
UM, IT'S PART OF PUBLIC RECORD.
UM, BUT I THOUGHT JUST FROM ARCHITECTURE AND SITE CONTEXT, IT WOULD BE IMPORTANT TO SEE WHETHER WAS APPROPRIATE A FEW YEARS AGO AND, UH, HOPEFULLY DEEMED EVEN MORE APPROPRIATE TODAY.
SO JAMES, FOR THE RECORD IS SHOWING US WHAT WAS FROM THE 2017 18 APPROVAL.
SO THOSE SHOULD BE RECORDED SOMEWHERE.
THE TOWN'S CHAIR THERE SHOULD BE AVAILABLE ONLINE AT THE AGENDA CENTER ON THE TOWN DEPARTS WEBSITE OR ON CODE WHERE THE, UH, ALL THOSE OLD DOCUMENTS ARE, IF I RECALL CORRECTLY, THIS WAS AN APPROVAL WITH CONDITIONS.
YES, THAT'S, AND REALLY NOT MEANT TO, UM, PROVIDE ANY BACK AND FORTH, BUT IT JUST GIVE, I HOPE YOU ALL WOULD AGREE THAT THE ARCHITECTURE IS, YOU KNOW, EVEN MORE APPROVED.
BUT ABOUT THE PAVILION, UM, IT CAME UP IN THE LAST MEETING.
UH, IT IS AN OPEN AIR PAVILION.
UH, THE REASON IT ENDED UP WHERE IT WAS, UM, IS IN EARLY CONVERSATIONS AND WORKING WITH THE TOWN, WE FELT LIKE HAVING SOME ARCHITECTURE UP ON THE STREET WOULD BE IMPORTANT SINCE WE'VE SET THE BUILDING BACK DUE TO ITS SCALE.
AND SO WE'VE INTEGRATED THIS OPEN AIR PAVILION, UH, WITH THE PIERCED BRICK WALL.
KIND OF GOES OUT OF THAT AS KIND OF THE FRONT PORCH, UH, TO THE DEVELOPMENT.
UM, MOST OF THE TIME IT'S GOING TO BE A COVER PAVILION FOR BEATING AND DRINKING.
UM, I, THERE WAS A QUESTION WHICH WE'LL JUST TALK ABOUT THAT IF A VAN DECIDES TO PLAY, WHAT PROTECTIONS DO WE HAVE TO LOOK AT? AND I THINK IT'S A VERY VALID AND AVOIDED QUESTION.
SO WE'VE SPENT QUITE A BIT OF TIME LOOKING AT THIS.
UM, THE, UM, CUZ WE CERTAINLY EIGHT I'VE SINCE THEN WE HAVE A NOISE ORDINANCE, SO THE HUNDRED PERCENT GONNA NOISE AWARENESS.
UM, B THERE'S A FEW THINGS THAT WE CAN DO FOR US.
UM, IT IS A KIND OF EXPONENTIAL DECREASE AS YOU GET FARTHER AND FARTHER AWAY.
SO THE GOOD NEWS IS THAT, UH, WE'RE 400 FEET AWAY FROM PRIMARY RESIDENTS AND, AND THE NICE LADY SPOKE AT THE LAST MEETING.
AND SO WE WENT OUT AND MEASURED EVERYTHING.
THERE IS SOME SITE CONTACTS THERE.
UM, IT'S ACTUALLY WORKED OUT PRETTY WELL.
UM, AND THEN WE DID A CONCEPTUAL DIAGRAM.
SO, UH, I PLUGGED IN A 90 TO A HUNDRED DECIBEL EVENT.
THERE WERE LIKELY NEVER BE OVER A HUNDRED DECIBELS IS PAINFUL TO THE AVERAGE HUMAN YEAR.
SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT LA MO AS JACK HAMMERS.
I THINK THE NFL STADIUM IS LIKE 110 USUALLY.
SO, UM, BUT I PLUGGED IT IN THERE, UH, TO SEE WHAT THE DISPERSION RATES WOULD BE.
I'M LOOKING AT IT ON HERE, BUT GO JUST FOR THE PUBLIC TO KNOW WHAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT.
UM, BEFORE YOU GO FURTHER, THE BUILDINGS THAT YOU IDENTIFIED ARE THOSE NEIGHBORS THE BLOCKED GRAY HOUSES? SO THIS IS THE NEIGHBOR'S HOME FOR CONTEXT.
THIS IS THE NEIGHBOR'S GARAGE AND THE METAL BUILDING AND A WORKSHOP.
UM, IT DOESN'T SHOW UP ON THE GIS, BUT THERE'S ACTUALLY A GARAGE BUILDING AND A SHED RIGHT HERE.
AND THIS IS THAT NEW, UM, OFFICE BUILDING, OFFICE BUILDING, UH, THAT SITS HERE ON THE CORRIDOR.
WHAT ABOUT THE ONE ON THE OTHER SIDE? UH, THAT'S PARKER'S.
UM, AND SO OBVIOUSLY WE TALKED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, SOUND KINDS.
SO IN THE BEST CASE SCENARIO WITH NO OBSTRUCTIONS BETWEEN THIS VOID AND THE EVENT, WHICH IS LIKELY LIKE OF A HUNDRED DECIBEL EVENT, UH, WHICH AGAIN I WANT TO PREFIX IS A, LIKE, THIS IS GONNA BE LIKE A SINGER SONGWRITER.
UM, THAT WOULD BE A ROCK CONCERT.
UM, AND WHEN YOU GET TO THE NEIGHBORS BACK AREA HERE, WHERE THEY LIVE, IT'S DOWN TO A NORMAL CONVERSATION.
UH, IT'S LOUDER THAN I'M SPEAKING OR QUIETER THAN I'M SPEAKING NOW, TALKING CASUALLY THREE FEET AWAY.
UM, THAT WOULD BE AS IF THERE'S NO OBSTRUCTIONS BETWEEN THEM.
AND, AND THAT WE DO HAVE, AND WE'VE TRIED TO OUTLINE IT HERE.
WE HAVE A SERVICE YARD BRICK FENCE HERE.
BASED UPON THE FEEDBACK WE GOT.
WE ADDED A PRIVACY FENCE HERE, WHICH IS VERY REFLECTIVE OF THE PRIVACY FENCE THAT SITS, UM, EX THAT WAS BUILT WITH THIS OFFICE BUILDING.
BETWEEN HERE WE'VE AMPED UP THE BUFFER AND WE ALSO HAVE, UM, IN SAFE
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CONTEXT PHOTOS.I JUST WANT TO, FOR CONTEXT, IT'S NOT THE, IT'S NOT THE HOME.
UM, IT IS, UH, IS THE GARAGE AND IT DOESN'T DIMINISH THE FACT OF THE BUILDING, BUT THERE'S ANOTHER STRUCTURE IN BETWEEN THEM.
AND SO WE'VE GOT A LOT OF GOOD THINGS WORKING FOR US.
THE OTHER GREAT THING YOU CAN DO WITH SOUND, WHICH IS WHY THEY PUT BIG CONCRETE BARRIERS UP LONG HIGHWAYS, UH, IS MASS.
AND SO WITH THE, THE PORCH STRUCTURE SITTING OUT HERE DIRECTLY IN FRONT OF IT AS A BRICK STRUCTURE, THE TEXTURE OF THE BRICK, THE, UM, UNDULATION OF THE INS AND OUTS OF THE PORCH STRUCTURE ALL CONTRIBUTE TO, UH, KIND OF, UH, DISPERSION OF THE SOUND AND ABSORBS, UM, MAJORITY OF THE LOUD COMPONENT OF, UH, OF WHAT WOULD BE PROJECTED OUT HERE.
SO WITH, WHEN WE LOOKED AT IT AND FELT LIKE THE NOISE, UM, WAS, WAS MINIMAL, UH, EFFECT TO THE NEIGHBORS, UM, SORRY, LET GET STARTED THAT THEN WE LOOK BACK AT THE ARCHITECTURE AND WE FELT LIKE HAVING A STRUCTURE, UH, UP ON THE STREET, UM, WAS IMPORTANT JUST TO GIVE IT SOME CONTEXT AND SOME SCALE TO THE LARGER STRUCTURE BEHIND IT.
AND WHILE THE, UM, THE FRONT DOOR IS UP HERE IN THE ELBOW, YOU KNOW, WE REALLY TRIED TO DETAIL THIS, UM, THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING FACING THE CORRIDOR AS OPEN PORCHES AND UM, IT WOULD PUT ALL THE KIND OF OUTDOOR PORCH STRUCTURES THERE TO MAKE A LITTLE MORE LIGHT IN IT.
SO THIS BUILDING KIND OF GROWS AS IT GOES BACK.
FIRST OF ALL, I, I'M EXCITED TO SEE THIS, BUT UH, IF YOU GO BACK TO YOUR SOUND DOC DOCUMENT FOR JUST A SECOND.
I THINK YOU'VE DONE A GREAT JOB, YOU KNOW, SHOWING WHAT THE ATTENUATION IS BY, I'M JUST KIDDING, ARCHITECT, I'LL TELL.
I THOUGHT YOU'D DONE A GREAT JOB SHOWING HOW IT'S GONNA ATTENUATE OVER THE DISTANCE.
UM, NUMBER ONE, I, I WENT TO THE CDC NOISE GUIDELINES AND THEY SUGGEST, UM, YOU KNOW, LOUD ENTERTAINMENT VENUES SUCH AS NIGHTCLUBS BARS IN CONCERTS IS 105 HUNDRED 10.
UM, THERE'S NOTHING IN HERE THAT SAYS IT'S ONLY 90.
IN FACT, YOU KNOW, A, A LAWN MOWERS ABOUT 90.
SO I I, I'D LOVE TO KNOW WHERE THE 90 CAME FROM COMPARED TO WHAT I'M SEEING ON THE CDC, NUMBER ONE.
AND NUMBER TWO, ARE YOU EXPECTING ANY ATTENUATION FROM THE TREES THAT ARE PLANTED AROUND THERE? ARE THEY GONNA BE MATURE TREES? ARE THEY ALL NEW PLANTINGS? THERE, THERE'S A SIGNIFICANT BUFFER ALREADY.
AND AGAIN, YOU CAN SEE THAT IN SOME CONTEXT ON THE EARLY PHOTOS, TWO AND THREE, THAT'S ALL BEING PRESERVED.
WE'RE PLANTING NEW ONES, UH, AND THEN THERE'S EXISTING TREES ALONG THE WHOLE CANAL.
AND UM, SO THOSE ALL ARE GOING REMAIN, UM, A ROCK BAND.
LIKE WE'RE, WE'RE NOT DOING A ROCK BAND CONCERT AGAIN, THERE'S A BIG DIFFERENCE BETWEEN GOING TO AN ARENA AND A ROCK BAND AND A TWO OR THREE PERSON.
AND TWO DAYS AGO I WAS AT THE DISTILLERY WATCHING A ROCK BAND PLAY.
CAN'T SAY THAT THERE WON'T, I'M, AND I NEED TO CLARIFY, THE CDC DOESN'T JUST SAY ROCK BAND, IT SAYS NIGHTCLUBS AND BARS, UM, AS, AS FAR AS MU IS CONCERNED.
SO I JUST, I I WOULD, YOU KNOW, I DON'T, I THINK YOU'RE STILL GONNA BE OKAY IF YOU USED THE NUMBERS THAT THE CDC USED BECAUSE YOU'RE WAY INTO THE WHITE HERE AS FAR AS THAT RESONANCE IS CONCERNED.
I USED THAT HUNDRED JUST FOR, I SAID I USE SO DEL.
IF YOU LOOK ON THE BOTTOM LEFT, WHAT'S THE FIRST WORD YOU SEE CONCEPTUALLY? CONCEPTUAL.
WHO, WHO, WHO CREATED THIS? I CREATED THIS.
AS A PROFESSIONAL, WHAT EXPERTISE DO YOU HAVE ON DECAL LEVELS AND AND DISTANCE AND SO ON? WELL, IS MATH, I MEAN, I'M NOT TRYING TO BE CONFRONTATIONAL.
WE STUDI STRUCTURED MECHANICAL ACOUSTICS, UM, ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN, ARCHITECTURAL HISTORY, ARCHITECTURAL PRESENT COVER, THE WHOLE GAMUT.
AND SO I WENT BACK TO MY STUDIES, I PULLED THE FORMULAS, PULLED THE SOUND DIAGRAMS. NOW I USED THIS AS IF THERE WAS NO OBSTRUCTIONS BETWEEN THE PAVILION AND THE NEIGHBORS, WE KNOW THAT THERE ARE, SO THIS WOULD BE WORST CASE SCENARIO, CLEAR FIELD BETWEEN PAVILION AND ENGLAND.
SO HISTORY IN BLUFFTON, WE HAVE THE DISPENSARY, WE'VE HAD ISSUES WITH THE LIVE MUSIC AT THE DISPENSARY, EVEN WHEN IT'S NOT FACING DIRECTLY TOWARDS HOUSES.
WE HAVE THE DISTILLERY, WHICH WE CAN TELL HOW THE MUSIC'S GOING AROUND IT.
WE HAD ALL THESE DIFFERENT EXAMPLES.
YOU CAN GO TO DIFFERENT TOWNS TOWN.
MY MOTHER-IN-LAW LIVES IN EIGHT BLOCKS AWAY.
WHAT IS JUST, JUST, I'M JUST CURIOUS.
WHAT IS THE OPPOSITION TO TAKING THIS PAVILION THAT YOU'RE ONLY GONNA SEE THE BACK OF
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FROM 46 ANYWAYS AND ROTATING AT 90 DEGREES SO THAT IT'S FACING AWAY FROM THESE POOR PEOPLE'S HOUSES AND TOWARDS PARKERS NOT TOWARDS HOUSES AND ACTUALLY GIVES US VISIBILITY FROM PEOPLE DRIVING UP AND DOWN 46 SO THAT NOW THEY SEE A BAND PLAYING AND THEY'RE LIKE, WELL WHY DON'T WE GO IN THERE? I I WOULD SEE IT DIFFERENTLY IN THE SENSE THAT TURNING AT 90 DEGREES COMPLETELY WITH ANY ADDRESS TO THE HIGHWAY CORRIDOR.IN FACT, ONE OF THE TOWN COMMENTS WAS WE SHOULD ADDRESS THE CORRIDOR IN SOME WAY.
IF YOU TURN IT NOW, IT HAS NO RELEVANCE TO THE STREET FRONT.
YOU HAVE THE BACK OF THE PAVILION ADDRESSING THE ROAD THAT'S NOT ADDRESSING THE ROAD.
NOW I I DON'T YOU ROTATE IT AND YOU'RE, YOU'RE GIVING A VISIBILITY AND YOU'RE ADDRESSING THE ROAD.
WHEN FRONT COURT SLOPES FROM A HOUSE OUT TO THE ROAD, IT GOES HIGH TO LOW.
THIS DOES THE SAME THING I'M, I'M GONNA TELL YOU, AND I MEAN YOU WE'RE WAITING TO SEE HOW THE REST OF THE COMMISSION FEELS.
I'M GONNA TELL YOU, I HAVE A PREPONDERANCE OF CAUTION FOR THE RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORS IN THAT AREA AND I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, BUT I'VE SEEN IN PRACTICAL APPLICATION WHAT HAPPENS AND YOU'RE SAYING THE LEVEL OF NORMAL CONVERSATION IN THAT PERSON'S BACKYARD.
WELL, WOULD YOU LIKE TO HEAR PEOPLE TALKING IN YOUR BACKYARD ALL THE TIME? THAT'S NORMAL CONVERSATION.
THERE, THERE, THERE ARE CONCERNS.
I WILL BE ONE OF YOUR BEST CUSTOMERS IN HERE.
MY WIFE AND I WILL BE SITTING AT THAT PAVILION.
WE WILL BE ON THE FRONT PORCH, BUT WE ALSO HAVE TO CONSIDER OTHER PEOPLE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND HOW EVERYTHING ADDRESSES EACH OTHER.
I THINK WITH WHY PUTTING THE LARGE MASS BUILDING RIGHT IN FRONT OF THIS STRUCTURE IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN WHAT ABOUT THE PEOPLE? YOU PUT NOTHING BETWEEN THIS.
YOU CAN SEE HOW FAR THIS NOISE THAT ALL IS RED.
THAT IS THE CARRY OF THE PRIMARY NOISE THAT'S GOING ACROSS THE STREET TO THE LADY, UM, THAT RUNS HER LITTLE STORE THERE.
THAT'S EVEN LOUDER THAN WHAT THE WOULD BE THE NATURE LADY.
AND THEN THERE'S UH, I DON'T KNOW IF IT WOULD HAPPEN, BUT THERE'S A MULTI-FAMILY PROJECT PLANNED RIGHT THERE.
AND SO I THINK ALL THINGS CONSIDERED PUTTING THE LARGE MASSIVE BUILDING IN DIRECT PARALLEL TO THE PAVILION, WHICH HAS A LOT OF UNDULATION AND WAY TO ABSORB AND DIFFUSE THE SOUND BEFORE THE MAIN THRUST OF THE NOISE GOES ANYWHERE ELSE.
AND THEN LAYERING ON BRICK WALLS, THESE AND THEN PRIVACY AND THEN EXISTING TREES AND THEN IT, THE FACT THAT IT UM, YOU KNOW, THERE THERE METAL BUILDINGS AND GARAGES WHICH TURN AWAY TO THIS ALL CONTRIBUTE TO, I'M NOT SURE YOU'RE GOING HEAR ANYTHING, BUT I CAN'T GUARANTEE THAT.
BUT I ALSO CAN'T GUARANTEE THAT THE BAND IS GONNA SET UP IN THE PAVILION.
WHAT IF THEY SET UP IN THE LAWN NEXT TWO OF THEM? I MEAN THERE'S NO, SO I THINK IN ORDER TO CONTROL THIS THING THAT THIS IS PROBABLY THE IDEAL SITUATION AND WE'VE LAYERED ON ADDITIONAL PRIVACY AND UH, AND PLANTINGS AND BUFFERS FROM A VISUAL PERSPECTIVE FROM THEIR SIDE.
UM, AND THERE'S NOT GONNA BE A MAN PLANNING IN THERE 24 7.
UM, AND I DON'T WANT, I'M NOT GONNA, I'M NOT GONNA SIT ON CHARLIE'S POINT HERE, BUT YOU'VE DONE A SOUND ANALYSIS AND THE ATTENUATION OF THE HIGH FREQUENCIES.
THE LOW FREQUENCIES DON'T GO STRAIGHT OUT, YOU KNOW, AS WELL AS I DO CAUSE I'VE STUDIED SOUNDS, I'M AN ENGINEER TOO.
AND THAT'S WHAT PEOPLE HERE, THEY HEAR THE BASE.
SO, SO IT WOULD BE GREAT TO SEE ARE YOU ATTENUATING THAT ON THE SAME KIND OF LEVEL THAT YOU ARE WITH THE, THE HIGHLIGHTS AND THE BASE.
THAT THAT'S HOW YOU, AND, AND SO THE PROXIMITY TO THIS BUILDING, THE FAIR FACT THAT WE'VE GOT NOT METAL PICKET FENCES, WE'VE GOT BRICK SERVICE WALLS, WE'VE GOT BRICK, UM, CONTAINING THE WHOLE GARDEN.
BASICALLY SURROUNDS THIS THING WITH A, UM, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN SEE IT IN THE PERSPECTIVE HERE.
UM, YOU KNOW, A GREAT BRICK WALL.
SO THOSE SOUNDS, AGAIN, THERE'S ALWAYS GONNA BE STUFF BOUNCE AROUND, BUT THERE IS SO MUCH MASS AND STRUCTURE AND, AND IT'S NOT PAR IT'S NOT LIKE, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING RIGHT IN FRONT OF IT.
PLUS WE'VE GOT ARBOR'S AND NEW TREES AND UH, AND THEN EXISTING TREES.
AND, AND I WOULDN'T STAND UP IN FRONT OF YOU.
THIS IS REALLY THE BEST SOLUTION.
AND I ALSO BELIEVE THAT ARCHITECTURALLY HAVING SOMETHING FACE THE STREET LIKE A PORCH, THERE'S NO FRONT OR BACK TO THE PAVILION.
YES, THE FENCE RUNS BEHIND IT.
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YOUR COMMENT ROTATES PAVILION AND THERE'S LITTLE FREQUENCIES THAT ARE, THEY'RE GOING AROUND.SO IF WE ROTATED IT 90 DEGREES AND PUT IT HERE AND POINTED THERE, IT'S ACTUALLY GETTING CLOSER TO THE NEIGHBORS.
AND I, AND I GAVE YOU SOME CONTEXT FOR THIS WHEN WE REDESIGN THIS, CAUSE I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT.
AND YOU CAN SEE IN THE FIRST PAGE OF THE PREVIOUSLY APPROVED PLANT, WE'VE ACTUALLY PULLED THE EVENT SPACE, WHICH IS AT BOTTOM RIGHT SQUARE AND ALL THE EVENTS UP AND PULLED IT FURTHER AWAY FROM THE NEIGHBORS.
THIS BUILDING GOT FARTHER AWAY FROM THE NEIGHBORS.
WE'VE PUT THE EVENT SPACE UP ON JENNIFER COURT ON THE SECOND FLOOR AND THE FRONT AWAY FROM THE, SO THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT WE'VE DONE, I THINK IN THE REDESIGN TO ADDRESS THE CONCERNS.
UM, AND AGAIN, AT THE END OF THE DAY, THEY'RE ALL GOING TO FOLLOW THE, AND THIS IS NOT CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, THEY'RE NOT GONNA HAVE LIVE MUSIC OUT THERE 24 7 AND BEFORE WE KEEP GOING DOWN THIS PATH, UM, BECAUSE I DIDN'T ASK EARLIER, DO WE HAVE A COMMENT ON THIS? WE DO.
SO I THINK LET'S, BEFORE WE CONTINUE, CUZ IT MIGHT, SOME OF YOUR QUESTIONS ARE THINGS YOU'VE JUST SAID, IT MIGHT HELP WITH THAT PUBLIC COMMENT AS WELL.
AND THEN WE CAN COME BACK, TAKE A PAUSE AND LET PUBLIC COMMENT CONVERSATION.
I LIVE ON AT 15 RED CEDAR STREET AND I AM THE PROPERTY WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
JASON, CAN WE PUT THAT MAP OUT THERE? I'D, CAN WE GO BACK TO THE SOUND THAT WAS UP THERE? I WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT ONE I WAS GONNA SAY, AND CARRIE, CAN WE GIVE HIM A LITTLE MORE THAN THREE MINUTES? ONLY BECAUSE HE'S BEEN WAITING SO PATIENTLY.
I SEE THAT THERE'S, I THIS IS THE POINTER RIGHT HERE.
IS THAT A WALL? THAT'S, THAT'S A FENCE.
DO WE HAVE ANY INFORMATION ON THAT? THE SIZE OF THAT? CAUSE THAT'S NEW FROM WHAT WE HAD BEFORE.
IS THAT WRITTEN IN OUR PACKET SOMEWHERE? IT'S IN THERE, YEAH.
I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT HIGHER.
I THINK THAT WOULD GO A LONG WAY FOR THE ABATEMENT OF THE NOISE.
BUT DO WE HAVE ANY RESTRICTIONS FROM THE TOWN ON HEIGHT? NO, NOT, THIS IS NOT IN HISTORY.
IT REQUIRES A BUILDING PERMIT IF IT EXCEEDS SIX FEET, BUT THAT'S OKAY.
YEAH, OUR WHOLE CONCERN IS THE NOISE LEVEL.
MY WIFE WORKS AT NIGHT AND SHE'S SLEEPING DURING THE DAY.
AND IF THERE'S AN EVENT UP THERE, YOU KNOW IT'S GONNA KEEP HER AWAKE.
THE VENUE THAT'S UP BY DOLLAR GENERAL WHEN THEY HAVE A WEDDING UP THERE, IT'S LIKE THE BAND'S IN OUR YARD, WE CAN HEAR IT THAT LOUD.
SO THAT, THAT'S A GOOD COUPLE BLOCKS AWAY FROM OUR HOUSE.
SO THAT'LL LET YOU KNOW HOW MUCH THE NOISE MOVES.
ALSO WHAT WE HEAR IS THE LOW FREQUENCIES LIKE YOU SAID.
SO THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO HAVE TO IT.
JAMES, YOU WANNA COME BACK MAYBE ADDRESS SOME OF THOSE CONCERNS? ABSOLUTELY.
WE CONSIDER THE HEIGHT OF THE FENCE.
I MEAN WE PUT IN SIX FOOT FENCES.
THAT'S WHAT IS, UM, RIGHT HERE ON THIS PROPERTY THAT WAS APPROVED.
BUT THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH LOOKING AT AN EIGHT FOOT SOLID PRIVACY FENCE.
UM, AND AGAIN, UH, FROM A, YOU CAN IMAGINE THAT IT'S LIKELY A, A FRIDAY EVENING OR A SATURDAY EVENING TYPE.
YOU KNOW, YOUR FIRST, I I LIVE ON 65 FOURTH AVENUE, SO I DRIVE BY THIS EVERY DAY.
I ALSO PLAY MUSIC, UM, FROM MY HOUSE.
I CAN HEAR SUNSET FESTIVAL PARTIES.
I CAN SING ALONG WITH MUSIC THAT'S OVER AT THE OYSTER FACTORY.
SO DIRECTION MATTERS CUZ THAT IS DIRECTED TOWARDS MY HOUSE AND I HAVE A WHOLE LOT OF TREES AND A WHOLE LOT OF STRUCTURES BETWEEN THAT AND MY HOUSE.
I CAN HEAR SOMEBODY PLAYING ON FIFTH.
I CAN HEAR DOWNTOWN DELI OR THE VENUE 12 23, 3
UM, SO LIKE SOME MY MUSIC, I I LOVE LIFE MUSIC.
I MEAN, IF I HEAR MARCHING BAND, IF I HEAR THE MUSIC, IT'S A GREAT JOY.
DO I WANT TO HEAR IT REGULARLY ALL THE TIME AND NOT HAVE ANY CONTROL OF TURNING THAT UP AND DOWN? NO.
UM, AND I AM PARTICULARLY CONCERNED ABOUT THE ORIENTATION OF THIS.
I'M ALSO PARTICULARLY CONCERNED THAT WOOD FENCE WILL DO A LITTLE BIT.
BUT LIKE YOU SAID, IT IS A MASS ISSUE.
THE TREES WILL NOT DO MUCH OF ANYTHING.
I ALSO HAD THE PLEASURE OF WORKING ON THE BUFFER ON THE HILTON HEAD AIRPORT.
AND SO I DID LOOK EXTENSIVELY INTO SOUND AS A PART OF THAT BECAUSE IT WAS A VERY CONTENTIOUS ISSUE.
UM, AGAIN, DIRECTIONAL WHERE THAT NOISE IS COMING OUT OF WHICH IS, IS WHY AN EIGHT FOOT FENCE HELPS.
CUZ SOMETIMES THEY PROP THOSE SPEAKERS UP HIGHER AND THAT'S
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GONNA GO RIGHT OVER THAT FENCE.UM, PARTICULARLY IF THERE'S ANY, IF THAT'S SITTING HIGHER THAN THE REST OF, YOU KNOW, THAT PUTS THAT SOUND HIGHER THAN LIKE, IF THIS PAVILION IS RAISED IN ANY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM, IT CAN PUT THAT SOUND OVER TOP OF THAT FENCE AND THEN NOT DO A HILL BEINGS A GOOD.
UM, AND I WOULD, AND MY HOUSE IS KIND OF LIKE BETWEEN ALL OF THE BUILDINGS.
SO THE FENCE IS MY BEST SHOT AT HAVING ANY KIND OF SCREENING FROM THAT SOUND.
SO FROM MY STANDPOINT, DIRECTIONALLY WHERE THAT SOUND IS GOING, AND YES, I UNDERSTAND THOSE LITTLE NOOKS AND CRANNIES IN THE FACE FACADE OF THAT BUILDING DO DISPERSE THE SOUND.
BUT IT'S NOT A, UM, IT'S NOT A FULL BLOCKADE.
AND WHILE I DON'T, I AM SENSITIVE TO THE NATURE STORE.
SHE'S NOT THERE AT EIGHT O'CLOCK AT NIGHT.
YOU KNOW, I, I HAVE FAM OR PEOPLE THAT ARE AROUND ME THAT HAVE KIDS THAT ARE TRYING TO SLEEP, UM, THEY'RE ANNOYED BY MY DOG BARKING MORE THAN 10 TIMES IN A ROW.
SO I KNOW HOW SENSITIVE THE NEIGHBORS ARE TO SOUND AND IT MAKES ME, I IT WOULD, IT WAS JUST, IT WOULD IT MAKE, I DON'T, I DON'T FEEL COMFORTABLE THAT THE DIRECTION THAT THIS IS SHOWING IS DOING WHAT IT, THE JOB SUFFICIENTLY ENOUGH AS YOU PORTRAY.
I UNDERSTAND THAT THIS IS A, THIS IS A BREWERY, A HUGE BREWERY.
IF YOU'RE GONNA TELL ME THEY MAY HAVE MUSIC, BUT WE LIKE, THAT'S A PROGRAMMING THING THAT THE DESIGN IS NOT IN CONTROL OF.
AND I'M JUST, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE MUSIC AND WE CAN'T SOUNDPROOF AN OUTDOOR ENGINE.
I MEAN, BUT WE CAN DO THINGS TO HELP MITIGATE IT.
SO SURE, WE'VE GOT A WOOD FENCE HERE.
THE WOOD IS NOT, THIS IS ALL BRICK FENCE HERE.
UM, THAT ALSO HELPS, UM, JUST FROM A DIRECTIONAL TRAVEL.
UM, I WOULD JUST ASK THE QUESTION, IF THERE WAS NO PAVILION AND ALONG THERE, WOULD WE BE HAVING THE SAME CONVERSATION? THE VAN WOULD SET UP IN THE SAME SPOT, AT LEAST WITH THE PAVILION WE CAN HELP CONTROL AND DIRECT.
BUT, AND AGAIN, OUR, OUR THOUGHT IS THAT THE PAVILION AND I, I WANTED TO PROVIDE CONTEXT CAUSE THIS IS WHERE THE PAVILION WAS.
AND I'M NOT SAYING THAT IT SHOULD BE APPROVED, I JUST WANNA GIVE CONTEXT.
IT'S WHERE THE PAVILION WAS APPROVED LAST TIME FOR THE VERY FACT TO ADDRESS THE COURT.
AND SAME PARAMETERS, SAME EVERYTHING.
UM, NOW, AND I'M NOT GIVING APPRECIATE YOUR TIME, I'M NOT ASKING FOR APPROVAL BECAUSE OF THAT.
I'M JUST SAYING FOR CONTEXT, WE DID HAVE THESE CONVERSATIONS BEFORE.
UM, AND UH, THE PAVILION THERE HELPS CONTROL AND DIRECT, WE ADDED SOME WOOD LOUVERS ON THE SIDES TO AGAIN, JUST HELP DIFFUSE THE SOUND.
NOT GONNA STOP THE SOUND, UM, TO DO WHATEVER WE COULD.
AND WE'VE GOT SOME ARBS AND YOU KNOW, UM, BUT THE SOUND THAT'S PART OF LIVING IN AN URBAN ENVIRONMENT, UM, WE HAVE CARS, WE HAVE SOUNDS TALKING TO UM, RIVER DOG, THEY UNDERSTAND THAT THEY'RE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
THEY WANT TO BE GOOD NEIGHBORS.
THEY HAVE NO, THEY'RE NOT RUNNING LIVE FANS TILL MIDNIGHT AGAINST THE SOUND ORDINANCES.
I WOULD PROMISE YOU, UH, MS. GRAY WOULD PLEASE SHOW UP BECAUSE OF SOUND ORANGES, SHE'S GONNA BE UNHAPPY.
UM, SO WITH ALL THE PROTECTION OF THE TOWNS PASSED FOR SOUND, WHERES MAKING OUR BEST GUESS? UH, AND, AND TO MITIGATE AS BEST WE CAN ALSO TO ADDRESS ARCHITECTURE AND THE STREET.
WE FEEL LIKE THIS IS A GREAT SOLUTION.
I I ALSO DISAGREE THAT THE ARCHITECTURE ADDRESSES THE STREET.
YOU'VE GOT BASICALLY YOU GOTTA, YOU DO HAVE THIS SLANTED SHED ROOF THAT LEADS TO A BRICK WALL THAT BASICALLY ENDS WHERE THAT, YOU KNOW, STARTS WHERE THAT STOPS.
I DON'T THINK ARCHITECT, YOU JUST LOOK AT THE, YOU'RE LOOKING AT A ROOF, YOU DON'T ACTUALLY SEE ANY, THE ARCHITECTURAL ELEMENTS OF THAT PAVILION.
SO FROM FROM THE STREET IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE MUCH OF ANYTHING.
SO I DON'T SEE IT AS ARCHITECTURALLY START ADDRESSING THE STREET.
AND I ACTUALLY THINK THE SIDE PROFILE HAS A LOT MORE INTERESTING CHARACTER TO IT AND INTEREST THAN THAT SIDE THAT IS NOW CURRENTLY FACING.
AND I THINK LIKE SOMEBODY MENTIONED BEFORE, IT WOULD BRING PEOPLE MORE INTO IT BECAUSE THEY'D SEE WHAT IT IS.
BUT I DO THINK THE SIDE ELEVATION WOULD BE A NICE PICTURE THAT WOULD EVEN OFFER UP.
UM, I MEAN WE'RE THERE IN FRONT OF YOU.
I MEAN I'VE SHARED MY PROFESSIONAL OPINION, WHAT I THINK THE RIGHT DESIGN SOLUTION IS, AND I RESPECT YOUR ALL'S COMMENTS AS WELL.
I I WOULD LIKE TO TURN IT TO THE BUILDING CAUSE AT THE END OF THE DAY I WOULD JUST ASSUME ELIMINATE THE BUILDING AND IT, CAUSE IT'S REALLY, IT'S SUCH A SMALL ELEMENT TO THE OVERALL CONCEPT AND THE BEER GARDEN.
UM, I I REALLY THINK THAT UM, WHETHER IT COMES OR GOES I, I I I THOUGHT, I THINK THAT IT WAS SERVING A GOOD PURPOSE.
AND, AND IF YOU ALL DISAGREE, I WOULD JUST ASSUME YOU DON'T THINK IT COULD SERVE A GOOD PURPOSE BY ROTATING IT THOUGH.
I MEAN IF, SO IF YOU EVER BEEN TO STONE BREWERY IN SAN DIEGO, UM, HER OFFICE, UM, WAS RIGHT NEXT TO THAT.
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MUCH MORE GARDEN, UM, NATURAL PARK-LIKE SETTING WITH POCKETS OF SEATING AREAS, WHICH IS WHAT DAN AND HIS TEAM HAS DESIGNED.THAT'S REALLY WHAT THIS IS ABOUT.
IT'S ABOUT CREATING THESE LITTLE FAMILY ROOMS OUT IN THE BEER GARDEN FOR PEOPLE TO ENJOY WITH FRIENDS AND FAMILY.
THEY UNDERSTAND THAT MUSIC WILL LIKELY HAPPEN.
THIS IS NOT, THE GOAL IS NOT TO MAKE A MUSIC VENUE.
THE GOAL IS TO CREATE A, A WORLD CLASS BEER GARDEN THAT IS DIFFERENT THAN ANYTHING THAT IS AROUND HERE, WHICH IS THIS VERY NATURAL, WE'RE GONNA BE PLANTING SIGNIFICANT OAK TREES IN IT, THESE LITTLE POCKETS, A LITTLE FIRE PIT.
UM, AND YOU CAN SEE IT IN THE DESIGN.
THAT'S, THAT'S THE GOAL OF THAT SPACE.
SO IF WE FEEL LIKE THE PAVILION ISN'T SERVING WHAT WE THOUGHT IT WAS DOING, I WOULD WOULD JUST ASSUME IT NOT BE PART OF IT CUZ IT'S NOT AN IMPORTANT COMPONENT TO THE GOAL OF GEAR GARDEN.
WOULD YOU STILL HAVE MUSIC ON THE GRASS AREA IN THE SAME KIND OF WAY? HAVE A BAND THERE? YEAH, BUT IT WOULDN'T PROJECT MUSIC THE SAME WAY IF IT DOESN'T HAVE A BUILDING AROUND IT.
SO JUST FEW, FEW SMALL COMMENTS ABOUT SOME OF THE NOISE ISSUES THAT WERE BROUGHT UP.
SO OBVIOUSLY BLUFFTON DOES HAVE A NOISE ORDINANCE.
Y'ALL FAMILIAR WITH THAT? UH, THOSE WATCHING AT HOME, IT'S TITLE 12 UNDER OUR MUNI CODE.
UH, AND IT REQUIRE, AND IT'S A VIOLATION OF THE NOISE ORDINANCE TO HAVE DECIBELS OF OVER I THINK 50 DECIBELS AT 250 FEET, UH, FROM THE NOISE SOURCE.
SO OBVIOUSLY THAT'S, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE A SOUND ENGINEER.
WE DON'T STUDY THAT IN LAW SCHOOL AT ALL.
UM, MY UNDERSTANDING OF IT IS VERY MINIMAL.
OBVIOUSLY THERE WOULD BE SOME CONCERNS THERE.
BUT AS FAR AS AMPLIFIED MUSIC, THIS IS NOT IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.
SO AMPLIFIED MUSIC IS, IS PERMITTED IS MY, MY RECOLLECTION.
AND ALSO AMPLIFIED MUSIC CAN BE ADD WITHOUT THE PAVILION OR WITH IT.
AND AS COMMISSIONER WETMORE WAS GETTING READY TO POINT OUT, I BELIEVE IT'S, IT'S MORE ABOUT ORIENTATION AND ADDITIONAL AMPLIFICATION I GUESS BY BEING ON A RAISED STRUCTURE.
SO AGAIN, JUST WANTED TO ADDRESS SOME OF THOSE COMMENTS.
UM, OBVIOUSLY THE, THE CONCEPTUAL DISPERSION DISPERSION DIAGRAM THAT'S BEEN PROVIDED IS IS FOR Y'ALL'S CONSIDERATION.
BUT, UH, JUST WANTED TO COMMENT ON THAT NOISE ORDINANCE, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? LET ME KNOW.
ONE OTHER BIG ARCHITECTURE THINGS WE CAN GET AND THEN I CAN LET DAN DO HIS THING.
AND I'VE TALKED A LOT AND I'M PROBABLY TIRED OF HEARING WE TALK.
UH, THERE WAS A QUESTION ABOUT THE, UM, ROOF SLOPE.
THERE'S A FEW, LET'S JUST PUT PAVILION ON THE SIDE.
IT WAS A THREE 12 ROOF BEFORE WHEN IT WAS APPROVED, IT WAS A THREE 12 ROOF.
NOW I THINK A THREE 12 IS AN APPROPRIATE PORCH STRUCTURE, BUT AGAIN, WE'RE NOT GONNA HAVE THAT OUT AGAIN.
THERE ARE TWO OTHER LOCATIONS.
UM, THERE IS THIS SADDLE BETWEEN THE TWO GABLES, UM, WHICH IS LIKE A 3.2 AND 12.
THE REASON WHY IT'S THERE IS TO HAVE IT HIT UNDER THE, THE, UM, THE PARAPET WALL.
YOU REALLY, THE GOAL IS TO AMPLIFY THE TWO BRICK GABLE IN IS, UM, THE ONE WITH 3.2.
IT'S WHERE IT FALLS RIGHT BELOW THE, THE, UM, THE F ADMINISTRATION OF THE PARAPET WALL.
UM, THERE WAS A MECHANICAL ELEVATOR SHAFT, SORRY, THREE SPOTS THERE.
A MECHANICAL ELEVATOR SHAFT BACK HERE.
DIDN'T REALLY FEEL LIKE PUTTING ANOTHER ROOF ON TOP OF IT.
AT A FOUR 12 I MAKE THIS THING EVEN TALLER AND MORE AMPLIFIED.
SO WE KEPT IT NEARLY FLAT AND SLOPED TO THE BACK.
AND THEN THE BIG ONE IS THIS ELEVATION.
SO IN THE PREVIOUS PREVIOUS PACKAGE THAT YOU HAVE, UM, YOU WILL SEE THAT IT IS A FOUR 12 ROOT SLOPE.
UH, WE INTENTIONALLY, WHEN WE REDESIGNED THIS, BROUGHT IT TO THREE 12 JUST FROM A SCALE PERSPECTIVE TO THE NEWLY DESIGNED KIND OF RESTAURANT BAR BUILDING.
AND THE, THERE'S THOSE PERIMETERS ARE TALL.
SO WE'VE GOT KIND OF 20 FOOT, ADDING ANOTHER FIVE, SIX FEET TO THE STRUCTURE JUST SEEMED THE FACT THAT IT'S ON THE BACKSIDE, IT'S IN THE BACK CORNER.
UM, WE'RE JUST TRYING TO BRING THIS, THE, THE SCALE OF THIS BUILDING HERE DOWN TO NOT COMPETE AS MUCH WITH ALL THIS GREAT ARCHITECTURE HAPPENING HERE.
SO WE INTENTIONALLY MADE IT THE THREE 12 INSTEAD OF FOUR 12.
IF YOU ALL FEEL LIKE THE, THE PACKAGE, THE, THAT YOU HAVE, THE FOUR 12 SEEMS MORE APPROPRIATE THE PACKAGE TO CHANGE IT BACK.
UM, WE WERE JUST TRYING TO NOT MAKE IT ANY TALLER THAN IT NEEDED TO BE HONEST.
THEY WERE LIKE A ONE 12 CAUSE THEY DON'T NEED THE VOLUME IN THE MIDDLE.
BUT THREE 12 SEEMED LIKE A GOOD, GOOD
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BALANCE.BUT UM, SO THOSE ARE THE, UH, AGAIN, THE, THE SADDLE AND THE FRONT COMING UP BETWEEN, THERE'S OH, OH DANG ON IT.
NOW WE COULD DROP THE PORCH BEARING AND MAKE THIS PORCH MORE SQUAT, BUT I THINK THE VERTICAL NATURE, JUST TAKING OUR CUES FROM GOING THROUGH THE HPC SEVERAL TIMES, THE VERTICAL NATURE IS MUCH BETTER THAN HORIZONTAL.
THIS LITTLE FLAT ROOF SECTION HERE WHERE THE ELEVATOR AND STAR TO THE ACCESS THE ROOF.
UM, PROBABLY BEST TO BE SEEN THIS ELEVATOR SO IT'S TUCKED AWAY IN THE BACK.
WANT TO HIT THE CENTER ONE? DO YOU HAVE A ROOF PLAN IN THIS PACKET? I DO.
WE'RE AT, WHAT PAGES IS THAT? UH, THERE YOU GO.
UM, SO CAN YOU POINT OUT LIZ? YEAH.
SO THIS ONE IS THIS LITTLE SADDLE IN HERE.
UM, JUST WITH THE CONFIGURATION GAVE, WE MAKE THIS CURVE ANY TALLER NEEDED TO BE.
WE'VE GOT A UM, ELEVATOR CHEF, LITTLE GUY HERE AND WE'VE GOT THE STAIR TOWER BACK HERE AND ELEVATOR.
AND THEN WE HAVE THIS WHOLE THING THAT'S SITTING AT THREE 12.
HOW MOST IS THAT EAST SIDE AWNINGS TOO? YEAH.
SAY AGAIN? THE, THE AWNINGS OVER THE DOORS ON THE EAST SIDE ELEVATION AND THE PAVILION IS A THREE 12 AS WELL.
SO THE ONLY REASON WHY I WAS TRYING TO FIGURE THAT OUT CUZ THERE ON THE, UM, WESTERN SIDE FACADE OF THE, THE, NOT THE BRICK, WELL THE BRICK THAT'S A PARAPET WALL.
SO JUST BECAUSE OF PRECEDENTS THAT HAVE BEEN SET FROM OTHER BUILDINGS AND SPECIFICALLY ONES THAT YOU HAVE MENTIONED IN OTHER THE DISTILLERY AS OTHER EXAMPLES OF THINGS.
I KNOW THAT IN THIS BUILDING, THE ROOF PITCHES HAD TO BE ADJUSTED AND THAT WAS TO BE EITHER DO THAT TO DISGUISE WITH A PARA PIT WALL OR WE HAD TO CHANGE THE ROOF PITCH TO FOUR.
BUT I THINK THAT IT HAD TO BE, WASN'T THERE PARA PIT, LIKE YOU HAVE TO DISGUISE IT WITH A PARA PIT, A FLAT ROOF WOULD REQUIRE A PARA PIT.
AND I'M ALL ON ALL SIDES, RIGHT? OR OF SLOPE ROOF.
YOU'RE TESTING MY MEMORY ON THE EXACT ROOF PITCH SLOPE OF THINGS THAT HAPPENED.
I'M JUST SAYING I I DO, I JUST REMEMBER HAVING THIS DISCUSSION BEFORE AND I JUST DON'T WANNA SET THIS A PRECEDENT SAYING THAT LIKE WE DID IT ON YOURS BUT WE CAN'T DO IT ON YOURS.
I WOULD REFERENCE, UM, SHEET OR PICTURE 14 IN THE PACKAGE HERE.
UM, WHERE OBVIOUSLY THERE WAS SOME CONSIDERATION FOR THE, THE WELL TO STOP AND THEN IT GOES TO PROBABLY HALF AND 12 ROOF SLOPE FOR THE REMAINING PORTION OF THAT WAS NOT, UM, I DON'T, I COULDN'T TELL IT'S A THREE OR A FOUR 12 ON, ON THE UM, BARREL STORAGE.
UM, AND AGAIN, I YOU THIS PACKAGE SO YOU CAN SEE WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE AS A FOUR 12.
I AM A HUNDRED PERCENT HAPPY TO MAKE IT A FOUR 12.
THERE'S NO, I JUST REMEMBER THERE WAS AN A CONFLICT WITH THAT VERY SAME THING AND I WANNA MAKE SURE WE'RE DOING THE SAME CHAIR.
UM, AGAIN, THIS IS BASEBALL PARTIALLY OF MY RECOLLECTION AND PARTIALLY HELPFUL LOOKING AT THE U RIGHT NOW, BUT UH, OBVIOUSLY IT'S 5 14 3 B ONE, TWO SUB, SUB SUB SECTION TWO, Y'ALL ALL KNOW, UM, FLAT THROUGHS INCLUDING A MINIMUM PITCH LIST OF FOUR 12 WITHOUT IMPEDIMENT IS SENSE.
BUT I DO, UH, MY MY RECOLLECTION IS THE SAME AS YOURS THAT IT WAS REQUIRED THAT BEEN AROUND THE ENTIRE DAY, THE FLAT ROOF.
YEAH, SO I THINK WHAT YOU WERE SEEING IS ALL THE BRICK AROUND THAT THERE'S A ROOF BEHIND THAT.
NOT, NOT THE METAL PART OF THE BUILDING THAT YOU'RE YES, I SEE THE FAIR AND THEN IT STOPS AND THEN THERE'S LIKE A, THE HALF AND 12 IS VISIBLE.
BUT AGAIN, I DON'T WANNA MAKE A BIG DEAL.
NO, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S NOT, YOU KNOW, WE LET THIS PERSON DO IT BUT WE DIDN'T LET THAT PERSON DO IT A HUNDRED PERCENT.
WE ALL NEED TO BE CONSISTENT ACROSS THE BOARD.
SO FOR REFERENCE, YOU CAN SEE IN THE PACKET I PROVIDED OF THE PREVIOUS PROVE THAT'S FOUR 12 SLOPE.
THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO OBJECTION TO MAKE THAT A FOUR 12 GROUP SLOPE ON PRODUCTION BUILDING.
I WOULD CONSIDER FOR THE CRICKET FRONT PORCH.
I THINK AGAIN, THIS IS PROBABLY A WORKSHOP ITEM THREE AND 12 IS A VERY TYPICAL ROOF SLOPE.
IT'S PREVALENT THROUGHOUT THE LITTLE COUNTRY.
NOT SURE WHERE THE FOUR 12 MAGIC CAME FROM, BUT FOR A S**T FRONT PORCH, A THREE 12, UM,
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YOU KNOW, YEAH, WE KNOW WE JUST HAVE TO ABIDE BY WALLS.UM, SO, SO AND AGAIN, THE PAVILION AGAIN, I WE'VE ALREADY BEAT THAT ONE TO DOUG.
UM, COULD YOU DO ME A FAVOR, COULD YOU A ROOF PLAN JUST ONE MORE TIME, JUST ONE MORE QUESTION DOWN BEFORE WE KNOW IT.
WHERE, WHERE'S THE DUST CONTROL, UM, UNITS? CAUSE I USED TO, UH, AS AN ENGINEER WORK ON SOME DUST CONTROL UNITS IN A PLANT.
THEY RUN A LOT AND THEY'RE NOISY.
DO YOU HAVE THEM ON THE ROOF AND ARE THEY SOUNDPROOF? SO THEY'RE NOT A SOURCE OF NOISE TOO FOR THE PRODUCTION.
THERE'S NO DUST, THERE'S NO DUST CONTROL FOR TAKING THE AIR OUT AS THEY FLUIDIZED THE, THE RANDOM HOPS IN, IT'S ALL OUTSIDE.
IT'S, IT'S ALL, UM, THIS'S NOT, UM, ALCOHOL CONTENT.
AND THE PRODUCTION PROCESS FOR A BREWER IS DIFFERENT THAN A DISTILLERY.
OH, I WAS JUST REFERRING TO THE EXPLOSION PROOF ROOM THAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT.
IT JUST HAS TO BE ONE HOUR AND THE ELECTRICAL OUTLET IS NOT CONTAINED AND AND DISPERSED.
IT IS SIMPLY, UM, THE ELECTRICAL BOXES HAVE TO BE EXPLOSION PROOF AND THEN IT HAS TO BE CONTAINED.
IT'S NOT A, THERE'S NOT A DUST HAZARD IN THAT ROOM.
BUT THEY WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WHEN YOU FLIP THE SWITCH IN THE SPARK AND THANK YOU DON'T LIKE THAT WE WENT THROUGH IT AT SOUTHERN GROUND.
SO, SO BY DOING, GOING BACK TO THAT ROOF BY DOING, IF YOU ARE NOT GOING TO CHANGE IT AND YOU HAD TO DO A PARAPET AROUND THEN THAT MIGHT HELP WITH THE ARTICULATION OF THE NORTHERN FACADE TOO.
YOU COULD INCORPORATE SOMETHING, BUT I MEAN THAT'S SO, UH, I MEAN A PARAPET WALL AROUND HERE, I WAS SAYING IF YOU DIDN'T CHANGE THE PITCH AND IT INDEED HAD BEEN HAVE THAT WALL AROUND LIKE WE WERE TALKING ABOUT BECAUSE YOU HAD SAID YOU WOULD CHANGE IT BEFORE, WHICH IS FINE, BUT IF YOU DIDN'T, I WAS JUST SAYING THAT PERHAPS THAT YOU COULD SHOW SOME ARTICULATION IN THAT WALL BECAUSE OF THE, THEIR PARA PIT AND JUST HOW YOU COULD UNDULATE SOME BRICK WORK IN AND OUT.
BUT I WOULD REFERENCE, UM, WE MIGHT LOOK AT A SINGLE SLOPE, PICTURE 16, UH, IN THE PACKAGE, WHICH IS THE REAR OF THIS PRODUCTION FACILITY, WHICH IS A SINGLE SLOPE FRONT TO BACK WITH NO PARAPET WALL BACK THERE, UM, AND SOME OVERHEAD DOORS.
UM, AND AGAIN, I I, I ACTUALLY THINK YOU KNOW THIS, I KNOW THIS SOUNDS CRAZY.
THE SERVICE CHARGES AND THE EQUIPMENT ACTUALLY HELPED, UH, THEY BECOME ELEMENTS WITHIN HERE.
BUT I THINK SPECIFIC TO THAT ELEVATION, UM, ADDING SOME DIRECT AREA, SOME OVERHEAD DOOR, SOME AWNINGS AND PIECES, UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S UTILITARIAN SERVICE ROLL DOORS AND DELIVERIES AND SUCH.
BUT, UM, HAPPY LOOK AT, UM, YOU KNOW, IF WE WANT TO ADD SOME, SOME BUMP OUTS OR PROJECTIONS ALONG THE WALL, YOU KNOW, THAT CREATE A LITTLE BIT OF A AT THE DOORS AND SOME DESIGNATION.
I DON'T THINK YOU NEED MONEY BEHIND THE SERVICE FENCES.
I THINK THEY'RE GOING TO BREAK THAT UP FROM A VISUAL PERSPECTIVE.
BUT I COULD SEE IN, I'LL DO IT WITH THIS IN THIS AREA, ADDING SOME ARCHITECTURE HERE AND ADDING SOME ARCHITECTURE HERE TO UM, JUST BREAK UP THE RHYTHM.
NO ISSUES THERE AT ALL AND HAPPY TO TAKE IT TO A FOUR 12.
ADD SOME ADMINISTRATION THERE.
UM, AGAIN, IF, IF IT'S ABSOLUTE HAS TO BE FOUR 12 ON THE SADDLE BETWEEN THE TWO GABLES, WE'LL PLAY WITH THE PORCHES AND MAKE THE PARA PIT AND THE BUILDING TALLER IN ORDER TO MAKE EVERYTHING, EVERY MORE SLOPE THAT WE HAVE.
THE BUILDING'S GETTING BIGGER.
SO IF THE GOAL IS TO GET THE BUILDING BIGGER FOR FOUR 12, WE CAN DO THAT.
IF IT'S MEANT TO, THERE'S SOME CONSIDERATION FOR A DEVIATION IN ORDER TO KEEP THE SCALE AS MINIMAL AS POSSIBLE.
I WOULD ENTERTAIN THAT AS WELL.
I'M HAPPY TO HEAD IN WHICHEVER DIRECTION YOU'D LIKE.
CAUSE REALLY THIS BUILDINGS ABOUT THE THE, UM, THIS PROJECT IS ABOUT THIS BUILDING AND THE BEER GARDEN.
WE SPEND A LOT OF TIME TALKING ABOUT THE BUILDING AND IT'S AN IMPORTANT TOPIC.
UM, IF WE JUST, THE ARCHITECTURE DOESN'T MAKE SENSE AND YOU DISAGREE WITH, UM, OUR SOLUTION, I WOULD JUST ASSUME THAT
I THINK THAT'S RIGHT NOW I DIDN'T LEAVE ANY TIME DAN, BUT I KNOW HE HAS SOME COMMENTS AND, UH, SOME ARCHITECTURE AND, UM, SORRY, IT'S, I'LL BE REALLY QUICK.
SO UNDER THE CONDITIONS IN LANDSCAPE, THERE'S GUESS NINE THROUGH 15.
SO, UM, STARTING WITH NINE, THAT'S THE INCREASED PLANT SIZE.
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NO PROBLEM.WE'LL UPDATE THAT AND UPDATE THE PLANT SCHEDULE.
NUMBER 10 IS SORT OF THE SAME THING.
WELL I TAKE THE SIZE OF PLANTING, UM, THAT'S NO PROBLEM.
11 ADDITIONAL PLANTING ON THE NORTH PROPERTY LINE AND ON THE EAST PROPERTY LINE WE LOOKED AT IT, WE'LL PROBABLY END UP ADDING 25 TO 30.
WELL, ON THE EASTERN PROPERTY LINE ALONG THAT POND WE CAN PROBABLY ADD 20 TO 30 BLACK TURTLES.
IT'S JUST, OKAY, SO EASTERN PROPERTY LINE, THE BACK BACKSIDE OF THE POND, THIS, THERE'S PRETTY THICK VEGETATION HERE NOW, BUT WE ARE, WE CAN ADD ALONG THIS CORRIDOR RIGHT HERE.
AND THEN WE CAN ADD ANOTHER LAYER OF PLANTING PROBABLY ANOTHER 15 TO 20, PROBABLY YELLOW.
THESE HERE, THOSE WILL BE MORE THAT GROUND LEVEL, FOUR TO EIGHT FOOT TALL LAYER OF PLANTINGS.
AND THEN BACK HERE WE HAVE LIVE OAKS AND SOME HALLWAYS, BUT WE ADD THAT, THAT EXTRA LEVEL LAYER OF PLANTING SO WE CAN, WE CAN PRETTY EASILY ADDRESS THAT COMMENT.
UM, THE NUMBER 12, THE BUFFERS.
SO WE HAVE, SO IN THE FRONT ALONG MAYOR OF A ROAD, THIS BUFFER, AND IT WAS ORIGINALLY THE 50 FOOT BUFFER WAS MEASURED FROM THE ROAD, I GUESS WHEN THIS WAS APPROVED.
THAT WAS WHEN THE, BEFORE THE HIGHWAY WAS WIDE AND THE STREET SCAPE PROJECT WENT IN.
WE HAD, IT WAS, IT WAS SORT OF ON CLEAR WHETHER WE HAD TO FOLLOW 50, THE OLD OR NEW.
BUT WE ENDED UP PUSHING EVERYTHING BACK.
SO WE'RE ACTUALLY, THIS CORNER IS 50 FEET RIGHT AWAY TO THE BUILD, TO THE FENCE.
AND THEN THE BUILDING IS 60 FEET FROM THE RIGHT AWAY.
UM, SO THAT, THAT BUFFER, IF YOU DOWN THERE IT'S, IT'S THERE'S NOT, IT'S MOSTLY PINE TREES.
UM, SO WE'RE SUPPLEMENTING THIS BUFFER AND THERE WAS A LITTLE OVER THERE THAT SAID IT'S SELECTIVELY THIN UNDER BRUSH.
WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA TAKE THAT NOTE OFF.
SO WE'RE, EVERYTHING WE'RE DOING HERE IS ADDING TO THAT BUFFER.
SO YOU'RE GONNA, WE'RE GONNA THE OFF DEAD LIMBS AND INVASIVE SPECIES AND AD.
CORRECT? I MEAN WE MAY, WE CAN, WE MAY LEAVE IN INVASIVE SPECIES JUST TO COVER THERE, BUT THERE'S REALLY NOT MUCH WE NEED TO DO OUT THERE.
THE, THE LIGHTING, UM, WE DON'T HAVE THAT BOARD OUT, BUT THAT ONE'S ANOTHER ONE IS, UH, TOWARDS YOUR LANDSCAPE PLAN.
SO
WE, WE HAD IT UPDATED WITH DOIN, SO I BACK AND FORTH WITH THEM AS WE GO TO THE FINAL DAY.
I THINK IN PROCESS OF UPDATING THE LIGHTS IN THE PARKING LOT, WE GOT A LITTLE TOO MUCH LIGHT THERE.
SO WE'LL WORK WITH THE MENU TO GET THAT BACK TO WHERE IT NEEDS TO GO.
AND THEN, UM, WELL I JUST HAVE POINT TO REFERENCE THE LIGHTS ON JENNIFER COURT.
THEY'RE THE SHEPHERD'S CROOK LIGHT.
THE ONES THAT ARE ON THE STREETSCAPE ARE, THEY'RE THE REALLY NICE, EXPENSIVE LIGHTS TO REALLY, TO MAKE THIS A REALLY NICE STREETSCAPE.
THE LIGHTS IN THE PARKING LOT ARE MEANT TO BE MORE CONCEALED.
THEY'RE, THEY'RE CALLED SHOEBOX.
THEY'RE NOT LIKE THE OLD SHOEBOX.
THEY'RE REALLY STREAMLINED E LIGHTS.
UM, SO I THINK WITH THAT TECHNOLOGY, SOME OF THE PHOTO METRICS MAY HAVE CHANGED.
UM, SO THE STREET LIGHTS, WE APPEAR TO MEET A LITTLE LU.
WE'RE GONNA WORK WITH DOMINION ON THAT TO GET THAT TO WHERE IT NEEDS TO BE TO MEET TOWN CODE.
AND THEN I THINK THE THIRD POINT ON LIGHTING WAS THE BEER GARDEN.
UM, HONESTLY, WE TYPICALLY DON'T PROVIDE PHOTOMETRICS FOR LIKE, FOR LANDSCAPE LIGHTING, BUT WE'RE WORKING WITH A GROUP RIGHT NOW TO, TO PROVIDE THAT FOR STAFF REVIEW PHOTOMETRICS OF THE BEER GARDEN.
IT'S MOSTLY THE, BUT PRETTY MUCH ALL THE LANDSCAPE LIGHTING.
VERY, VERY SUBTLE LIGHTING CHAIR.
JUST TO INTERJECT QUICKLY ABOUT, UM, CONDITION NUMBER 14,
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UH, THAT ACTUALLY STAFF HAS REQUESTED A DETERMINATION ON THE PROPOSED ELIMINATION LEVELS RATHER THAN JUST, YOU KNOW, A CONDITION FOR REVIEWING APPROVAL.SO I'M, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THE APPLICANT HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS AND THAT Y'ALL HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO ASK ANY QUESTIONS.
COMMENT ON THAT BEFORE, BEFORE Y'ALL MOVE ON.
IF I COULD ADD ONE MORE THING WITH THAT IS, UM, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY UNDER NUMBER 15 IS, IS REALLY THE LIGHTING ALL THE WAY TO THE PROPERTY LINE.
UM, BUT YOU KNOW, ESPECIALLY AS THAT IS IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO THAT PROPERTY, UM, SOME OF THE CONCERNS WE HAVE IS ANY, UM, WALL PACK LIGHTS, UM, THAT ARE COMING OFF THE BUILDING, WHICH NONE ARE SHOWN ON THE BUILDING.
UH, TYPICALLY, YOU KNOW, YOU'D WANT THOSE TO BE A FULL CUTOFF.
UM, BUT THERE'S NO INFORMATION PROVIDED I HAVE SEEN WHERE THERE IS NO FULL CUTOFF.
AND THEN THAT IS JUST A, A BRIGHT STARK LIGHT THAT IS THEN SHINING INTO THAT ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS PROPERTY.
JUST SPEAK TO 14 JUST A LITTLE BIT.
THE REASON WE'RE ASKING FOR A, UM, DETERMINATION ON THE APPROPRIATENESS OF THAT IS THAT THERE ARE SOME AREAS WHICH THE LIGHTING IS NOT MEETING THE, THE MAXIMUM LEVEL OR THE MEDIAN LEVEL.
AND IT'S, SO IT'S BELOW THE LEVELS THAT ARE THERE.
UM, SOMETIMES THAT IS A DEVIATION THAT IS WARRANTED.
UM, IT DOESN'T NEED TO BE AT THE MAXIMUM THAT'S THERE, BUT BECAUSE IT IS BELOW ON ALL THE MEDIAN, I'M SORRY, THE MINIMUM AVERAGE AND MAXIMUM, WE JUST FLAG IT AS SOMETHING THAT HAS UM, UM, DEVIATED FROM THAT.
SO, UM, FOR THE WALKWAYS AND STREETS, WHICH THAT'S PRIMARILY I BELIEVE THE JENNIFER COURT CORRIDOR THERE AND A LITTLE BIT OF THE UM, SIDEWALK AREA IN THERE, IT IS, UM, PERMITTED TO BE 10 AND IT'S PROPOSED AT 3.6.
THE AVERAGE IS PERMITTED, UM, IS 1.0 AND IT'S FLAGGING AT 0.8, WHICH THAT'S VERY CLOSE TO THE AVERAGE THERE.
AND THEN THE MINIMUM, UM, IS 0.2 AND IT'S FLAGGING AT ZERO, WHICH ZERO AT THE LOT LINE WOULD NOT BE INAPPROPRIATE.
IT'S LIKELY THAT THE SIDEWALK IS APPROACHING THAT.
SO THE, THE MINIMUM AND AVERAGE ARE NOT SOMETHING THAT ARE ALARMINGLY LOW.
BUT BECAUSE AT 3.6 WHERE IT'S PERMITTED TO BE 10, WE JUST WANT YOUR, UM, DETERMINATION ON, YOU SAY THE THREE POINT, IT'S IF YOU GO BACK TO THE LIGHTING PLAN, IT'S THE STREETS AND WALKWAYS IS THE ONE THAT'S FLAT.
YEAH, THIS MIGHT BE CEILING, THIS PLAN HERE.
SO THERE'S ONE, SO THESE ARE SHEPHERDS, CROOKS, LIGHTS, EVERYBODY WAS HERE BEFORE THE STREETSCAPE WAS BUILT.
MAYBE STREETSCAPE WENT IN IN A CATTLE OPERATOR CAUSE THOSE LIGHTS WERE, WHEN THEY WENT IN.
IT WAS ALARMING, I THINK TO EVERYBODY.
SO CAN YOU GIVE US A COMPARISON OF LIKE, YES, SINCE THAT'S THREE POINT WHATEVER AND IT'S LESS THAN 10, WHAT IS, WHY IS IT THAT, AND GIVE US A COMPARISON.
SO COULD HEAR THE LIGHTS, YOU CAN SEE LIKES, SEE IF 1, 2, 3, THERE'S ABOUT SEVEN OF 'EM ALL THE WAY ACROSS HERE AND THEY'RE, THEY'RE ROUGHLY UM, I WANNA SAY 30 FEET CENTER, 30 TO 40 FOOT HOME CENTER, WHICH IS PRETTY CLOSE FOR A STREET, LIKE THIS KIND STREET.
AND THERE'S A LOT, A LOT OF AMBIENT LIGHT COMING FROM WATERS.
YOU COULD IMAGINE THEIR LIGHTING IS 10 TIMES WHAT WE HAVE.
SO NOW THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IT, WE WOULD LIKE, WE PROBABLY DON'T REALLY NEED TO ADD MORE STREET LIGHTS.
IF WE ADDED LIGHT TO REQUIREMENTS, IT WOULD PROBABLY BE SUBTLE LANDSCAPE LIGHTS THAT MAYBE DIRECTED IN CERTAIN AREAS THAT ARE NOT MEETING REQUIREMENTS.
SO I GUESS THE NUMBER IS LOWER BECAUSE YOU'RE TAKING INTO CONSIDERATION THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES LIGHTS THAT ARE SHINING.
SO THESE LIGHTS DON'T HAVE TO BE AS BRIGHT AS YEAH, I THINK IT'S PARTIALLY AS PHOTO METRICS WITH THIS STYLE OF LIGHT.
IT DOESN'T PUT A WHOLE LOT OF BRIGHT LIGHT AND THAT'S THAT PART OF IT.
I MAYBE WHY DID Y'ALL CHOOSE THAT LIGHT THOUGH? I MEAN IT'S IN RESPONSE TO, TO MAINTAIN THE AESTHETIC OF THE STREET SCAPE MAY RIVER ROAD.
IS THAT WHAT MAY RIVER ROADS IS? MM-HMM.
IT'S CHANGED SINCE THEY'VE GONE IN.
BUT THAT'S, I GUESS THAT WAS MY, I WAS SAYING WE'RE GONNA WORK WITH DOMINION ON THAT TO SEE IF WE CAN GET SOMETHING BRIGHTER CAN MEET THE REQUIREMENT WITHOUT ADDITIONAL POST.
THAT'S WHAT WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA LOOK AT.
BUT YOU'RE LOOKING AT IT AS A COMPARISON TO MAY RIVER ROAD.
I'M JUST, JUST TRYING TO THINK OF A VISUAL.
WE'RE JUST, WE'RE LOOKING AT IT ONE TO MEET THE, WE DON'T MEET THE MINIMUM REQUIREMENT FOR LIGHT.
SO IF WE CAN QUICKLY LOOK AT IT, IF WE CHANGE OUT SOME BALLS MAYBE TO MEET THE MINIMUM REQUIREMENT, THEN WE'RE, WE'RE GOOD TO GO.
UM, I WOULD SAY BASED ON, KATIE SAID IT WOULD BE NICE TO KNOW THAT WE HAD TO GO A LITTLE BIT LOWER THAN THAT.
KNOWING THE STAKES THAT HAVE IT
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WOULD BE, THAT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE FOR US.BUT I THINK WE CAN STILL NEED IT EITHER WAY.
SO THEN WHY DON'T WE JUST SAY YOU HAVE TO MEET THE MINIMUM REQUIREMENT.
DO YOU THINK MEETING THE MINIMUM WOULD REQUIRE MORE POST THOUGH? WE, WE WERE GONNA TRY TO NOT HAVE MORE POST.
WE WOULD LIKE NOT HAVE MORE POST.
SO YOUR CALCULATIONS DO TAKE THE INTO ACCOUNT THE AMOUNT OF LIGHT COMING OFF OF PARKER'S OR THEY DON'T? YEAH, NO THEY DON'T.
I HAVE, THIS IS PARKER'S IS REAL BRIGHT AGAIN, I LIVE NEARBY.
AND MAY RIVER ROAD IS ONLY THE WAY, MAY RIVER ROAD IS BECAUSE S E D O T REQUIRES THAT SO THAT THERE'S NOT A STROBE LIGHT EFFECT.
I DON'T HAVE A DESIRE TO REPEAT THAT
IF WE COULD HAVE THE ABILITY TO, TO BE LOWERED AND WORK WITH, WITH BASIC WITH STAFF, WORK WITH STAFF ON THAT, THAT WOULD BE IDEAL.
CAN YOU MEASURE MADAM CHAIR IF I, THE TYPE OF LIGHTING, THE PESTLE THAT GOES THIS WAY, IT DOESN'T PROJECT AS MUCH OUTWARD LIGHT.
SO THE SHOEBOX STYLE THAT YOU TYPICALLY SEE IN PARKING LOTS, THEY CAN INCREASE THOSE LEVELS VERY EASILY AND DECREASE THOSE LEVELS VERY EASILY WITH THE STYLE OF LIGHTING THAT'S LONG OVER ROAD AND THEY'RE CONTINUING ON HERE IS VERY HARD TO UP IT BECAUSE THEY ARE SHARP CUTOFF AND FLAT AND JUST PROJECT STRAIGHT DOWN.
JUST FOR FURTHER CLARIFICATION QUESTIONS, I WOULD ASSUME THEY COULD MEASURE THE AMOUNT OF FOOT CANDLES THAT ARE PROJECTING ON A SURFACE SO THAT YOU COULD TAKE INTO ACCOUNT WHAT IS COMING OFF OF PARKERS.
AND THAT WAY YOU COULD JUSTIFY WE ARE MEETING THOSE LEVELS WITHOUT HAVING TO CHANGE THE LIGHTS.
YEAH, THAT'S, I GUESS THAT'S WHAT I WAS SAYING.
WE'RE GONNA WORK WITH DOMINION ON EXISTING CONDITIONS, THEIR BULBS, AND THEN WORK WITH STAFF ON IF WE HAVE TO ADD TO IT.
SO I GUESS THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WITH OUR DETERMINATION.
HOW DO WE MAKE A DETERMINATION IF THERE'S ALL THESE DIFFERENT FACTORS? BUT I THINK WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS WE CAN MEET MINIMUM REQUIREMENT.
CAUSE ONCE WE DO THE THINGS WE JUST TALKED ABOUT, SO THEN IN OUR CONVICTION IT WOULD BE TO MEET THE MINIMUM.
I JUST SAYING YOU DON'T NEED TO MAKE A DETERMINATION BECAUSE THEY'RE SAYING THEY'RE GOING TO MEET THAT ORDINANCE REPORT.
YEAH, BUT I'M SAYING ON HER STAFF REPORT.
SO AS PART OF THE CONDITION IT COULD BE, UM, DETERMINES THAT THE MINIMUM MUST BE MET.
HOWEVER THE, THE MAXIMUM LEVEL IS APPROPRIATE.
I JUST WANNA MAKE FOR ADDRESSING IT PROPERLY WHEN WE'RE RESPONDING.
OKAY, STEP IN REAL QUICK CAUSE THESE ARE, I'M HAVING A LITTLE BIT OF A STRUGGLE WITH THIS IDEA OF UM, YOU KNOW THAT THAT BEER GARDEN, I CAN SEE A LOT OF YELLOW LIGHTS THAT ARE IN THAT BEER GARDEN WITH NO LANDSCAPE LIGHTING NUMBERS, LIKE THE FOOT CANDLES, THE LUMENS.
I DON'T HAVE ANY INFORMATION ON THAT.
UM, SO I AM HAVING A BIT OF, CUZ WE'RE NOT, THIS ISN'T JUST THE ROAD LIGHTING IS ONE THING.
THIS IS, ITS SOLE ANOTHER ENTITY AND BODY THAT WE DON'T HAVE ANY INFORMATION ON TO BE MAKING A DETERMINATION ON.
UM, AND SO I DON'T KNOW IF, WE DON'T KNOW IF IT'S GONNA BE OVER THE MAX ALSO WITH THAT NUMBER OF FIXTURES.
THAT'S MY ONLY CONCERN CUZ I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE BULBS ARE.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT, I DON'T HAVE ANY INFORMATION TO KNOW WHAT'S HAPPENING THERE.
COMMISSION
SO THEY'RE BROKEN OUT SEPARATELY.
SO 15 ADDRESSES THE BEER GARDEN, UM, AND ANY ADDITIONAL AREAS THAT HAVEN'T BEEN INCLUDED CURRENTLY.
AND 14 IS SPECIFICALLY THE STUFF THAT HAS BEEN INCLUDED THUS FAR.
SO IS THERE, ARE YOU ASKING FOR DETERMINATION ON THE, OKAY, SO THAT'S A WORK WITH THE APPLICANT TO MAKE 15 IS THAT IT IS, IN ORDER TO MEET THE STANDARDS IN 3 17 3, THEY WOULD NEED TO PROVIDE THAT ADDITIONAL INFORMATION.
SO IT'S A STAFF HAS PUT IT AS A CONDITION, WHETHER YOU CHOOSE TO INCLUDE IT AS YOUR CONDITION, THAT'S ONE THING.
BUT THE 14 IS THE ONLY THING WE WERE REQUESTING THE DETERMINATION ON WAS THAT STREETS AND WALKWAYS MINIMUM.
ANYTHING ELSE TO ROUND OUT? CAUSE THESE ARE EASY.
UH, WE'LL CERTAINLY BE ALL THE CONDITIONS.
UH, WE WILL APPLY FOR SIGNAGE PERMITS AT A LATER DAY.
WE MEET THE REQUIREMENT AND WE DO, UH, HAVE A, THE PROPERTY OWNER IS BEEN, IS THE DECLAR WARRANT AND PRODUCED, UH, REPRESENTATIVES PRODUCED A LETTER AFTER REVIEWING THE COVENANTS AND RESTRICTIONS THAT THIS PROJECT MEETS THE REQUIREMENTS FROM THE
KATIE, I HAVE A QUESTION AFTER THAT PRESENTATION.
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DO, UH, KATIE, I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE SIGNAGE.UM, IT'S 40 SQUARE FEET IN TOTAL FOR THE WHOLE BUILDING.
IS THAT OR IS LIKE CUMULATIVELY OF HER DIFFERENT SIGNS? IS IT, OH, MAYBE MOST JORDAN QUESTION.
NOW THEY, THEY'RE ALLOWED TO HAVE MONUMENT SIGNS HERE.
UM, AND BECAUSE THEY FACE TWO STREETS, THEY CAN TECHNICALLY HAVE TWO MONUMENT SIGNS AS WELL.
BUT ON THE BUILDING, THEY WOULD ON, SO WHERE THEY HAVE THAT FRONT, ALONG THE FRONT, THEY HAVE THAT BRICK, UH, ENHANCEMENT.
THAT'S, SO THAT WOULD BE ONE SIGN OPPORTUNITY.
I SWEAR I SAW IN ANOTHER ELEVATION, LIKE HANGING SIGNS THAT WERE ALSO ON SEVERAL PORTIONS OF THE BUILDING.
THOSE WOULD NOT BE ALLOWED, THEY WOULD NOT BE COMMITTED.
WELL ACTUALLY THE OTHER ESTABLISHMENTS IT OKAY.
SO WITH, DEPENDING ON HOW THEY, UM, CONFIGURE THIS AS FAR AS LIKE THE RESTAURANTS INSIDE THE BUILDING, THEY WOULD ALSO BE LIKE IF IT'S A MULTI-TENANT BUILDING, THEY'RE ALLOWED TO HAVE ADDITIONAL SIGNAGE.
SO IF IT'S JUST RIVER DOG BREWING, RIVER DOG BREWING, AS THAT ONE ENTITY IS ALLOWED TO HAVE ONE SIGN MULTI-TENANT BUILDING, YOU'RE ALLOWED TO HAVE ADDITIONAL SIGNAGE FOR EACH TENANT.
SO THERE WILL BE MULTI TENANTS, HER ESTABLISHMENT PER ESTABLI.
SO RIVERDOG RIVERDOG HAS BUSINESS LICENSE, THEY EXIST HOT DOG COMPANY SELLING HOT DOGS BUSINESS LICENSE HAVE A SIGN.
BUT ALL THAT WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH APPROVAL AT THE TENANT.
THE ONLY REASON TO THE SIGNAGE WAS BROUGHT TO YOUR ATTENTION AT THIS POINT IS BECAUSE IT IS PART OF AN ARCHITECTURAL ELEMENT AND IT IS THE, THE RECTANGLE.
SO THE SIGN IS MEASURED, A WALL SIGN IS MEASURED WITH A BOX AROUND THE LETTERS.
UM, AND THE BOX THAT IS MADE OF BRICKS CURRENTLY IS AT 66 SQUARE FEET.
UH, SQUARE FEET LARGER THAN WHAT WOULD BE PERMITTED IN THERE.
SO WE JUST WANTED TO PREVENT SOMEONE FROM COMING IN LATER AND SAYING, YOU KNOW, THIS IS CHALLENGING BECAUSE IT NO LONGER WILL, THE ARCHITECTURE WILL LOOK SILLY IF YOU PUT A SIGN THAT IS 40 IN A 66 SQUARE FOOT BOX.
SO WE WANTED TO DRAW THAT TO YOUR ATTENTION AHEAD OF TIME SO THAT IT WAS ADDRESSED DURING THE, THE WELL.
THEY'RE JUST GONNA HAVE TO MAKE IT LOOK APPROPRIATE OR WE CAN REMOVE IT IF IT BOTHERS YOU.
I THINK IT WOULD LOOK LIKE A FRAMED PICTURE.
I DON'T THINK, ANYWAYS, I'M JUST THINK SIZING IT TO THE 40 SQUARE FEET.
IT'S NOT THE HAVING AN ENHANCEMENT, IT'S THE SIZE OF IT.
AND I I DO UNDERSTAND WHY YOU'RE DOING IT CUZ IT GIVES IT MORE PROMINENCE AND I CAN APPRECIATE THAT.
BUT I FEEL LIKE IT'S TRYING TO PUSH A LIMIT OF THE RULES TO, IN ORDER TO KIND OF BEEF IT UP IN A WAY THAT COULD FOLLOW, THAT COULD, THERE'S, IT IS JUST A BIT OF A BLURRY LINE I FEEL LIKE.
I THINK WHAT WILL HELP IS JUST THE FACT THAT, THAT THEY MEET THE SIGN REQUIREMENTS AS STATED IN THE UD.
AND HOW IT LOOKS IS IF IT LOOKS TERRIBLE IS ON THEM.
WELL YES, WE WOULD WANNA RUIN THAT TIME.
I'M CURIOUS, AND THIS IS A CURIOSITY QUESTION AND MAYBE IT'LL BE TOO LATE TO BE ASKING CURIOSITY QUESTIONS, BUT THE, THESE BIG CHIMNEY FEATURES THAT ARE THE TALLEST PORTION OF THIS BUILDING, WHAT IS THAT? WHY IS THAT? THEY LOOK EVEN IN THE, AND THEY IN PERSPECTIVE LOOK ODD TO ME.
UH, ARE THEY FUNCTIONAL? THEY ARE FUNCTIONAL.
THEY'RE REAL FIREPLACES AND THERE'S A HEIGHT BY CODE THAT YOU HAVE TO BE CORRECT.
I MEAN, THERE ARE EXCEPTIONS FOR KUS AND ACCENTS AND CHIMNEYS AND FIREPLACES, BUT, UH, I, I THINK IT LOOKS FANTASTIC.
UM, AND AGAIN, THE WHOLE, I GUESS WHAT I'M GETTING AT IS WHY IS IT THAT TALL? DOES IT HAVE TO BE THAT TALL AND WHAT'S THE MINIMUM? THERE'S NO MAGIC OTHER THAN AESTHETICS.
UM, IF YOU READ THE CONTEXT AND THE STORY THAT WAS WRITTEN FROM THE, THE KIND OF VISION OF THIS PROJECT IS KIND OF AN OLD, UM, BOAT WAREHOUSE, BOAT PRODUCTION FACILITY THAT'S BEEN CONVERTED INTO THE BREWERY AND HAS THIS KIND OF TIMELESS WAREHOUSE FEEL.
UM, IN THAT CASE YOU WOULD HAVE OLD SMOKESTACKS AND YOU WOULD HAVE THINGS THAT WOULD BE, UH, LARGER IN A SCALE THAN THE BUILDINGS THAT THEY'RE ATTACHED TO.
KIND OF LIKE WE HAVE THE KIND OF THE OUTRIGGERS HERE AND AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO THEY WERE UM, ACCENTUATED EVEN TALLER TO EMULATE KIND OF THE OLD SMOKESTACKS, UH, THAT YOU WOULD SEE UH, ON A, UM, THEY'RE NOT TO BE LOOK LIKE CHIMNEYS BUT SMOKE STACKS.
BUT THEY ARE FUNCTIONAL CHIMNEYS.
THERE ARE, UM, OUTDOOR FIREPLACES RIGHT HERE AND THEN THERE'S SO ONE RIGHT HERE.
SO THEY ARE ACTUAL FUNCTIONING CHIMNEYS, NOT JUST FAKE.
SO THEY'RE NOT IN THE OPERATIONS OF THE BREWING, IT'S JUST FOR THE FIREPLACES.
SIT OUTSIDE ON, HAVE COOL EVENING LIKE TONIGHT WITH A FIRE ON A CRACKLING AND
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ENJOY A RIVERDOG IPA.I'VE ALREADY SCOPED OUT THE ONE ON THE EAST SIDE.
I THINK THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE, FIND ONE.
UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE TASKED WITH DOING IS TRYING TO GET PEOPLE TO HAVE INTERCONNECTIVITY.
UM, MAINLY IT'S WHEN YOU HAVE A HOUSING DEVELOPMENT OR HOUSING DEVELOPMENT.
BUT UM, YOU MENTIONED EARLIER AND WE KNOW THAT THERE'S A POTENTIAL OF A, AN APARTMENT COMPLEX JUST TO THE NORTH OF THERE.
UM, CAN WE STRAIGHT ACROSS THE STREET? IT'S ACROSS THE STREET.
IT'S ON THE OTHER SIDE OF BUCK ISLAND ROAD.
I KNOW THAT ONE'S IN, BUT I'VE HEARD THERE'S ONE COMING JUST TO THE NORTH OF THERE TOO.
WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THAT ONE FOR THESE YEARS.
BUT AS FAR AS PROVIDING THE ABILITY TO HAVE INTERCONNECTIVITY, UM, I DON'T KNOW HOW WE'D DO THAT IF THERE AREN'T PLANS FOR SOMETHING ELSE, YOU'D BE OPEN TO THAT THE WAS GOING TO PURCHASE THIS, THAT PROPERTY BEHIND THERE AND WE'VE LOOKED AT THAT PROPERTY BEHIND THERE.
UM, CERTAINLY IF SOMETHING COMES ALONG AND WELL THE, THE IDEAL, OKAY, THE THOUGHT BEHIND IT IS YOU HAVE BLUFF AND PARK FULL OF PEOPLE THAT OWN GOLF CARTS.
TECHNICALLY THEY CAN'T DRIVE THEIR GOLF CART TO YOUR BREWERY CUZ IT'S ON 46.
IF THERE WAS SOME WAY TO GET INTERCONNECTIVITY THAT LED TO INTERCONNECTIVITY, THAT WOULD HELP.
BUT I JUST DON'T, MY OFFICE IS ALREADY TRYING TO SCOPE OUT A PATH PATH TO GET FROM HIS HOUSE.
EVERYTHING THAT IT BACKS UP TO ON THE EAST IS ALL THE BLUFFTON PARK AREA.
SO THERE WOULDN'T NECESSARILY BE A PUBLIC ACCESS TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT.
WELL, UNLESS THAT BUILDING JUST TO THE EAST OF IT GAVE AN EASEMENT THROUGH A BUILDING LOTS OF ANYWAYS, IF SOMETHING COMES ALONG, I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY FOR THIS FUTURE DEVELOPER TO PONDER IN THEIR DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
CUZ I MEAN YOU'RE NOT BUT YOU WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO AS A FUTURE OPPOS TO CAUSE IT WOULD HELP ACTUALLY.
I JUST DON'T THINK IT'S SOMETHING WE CAN DICTATE.
MADAME CHAIR, I'M GOING THROUGH SOME OF THE ARCHITECTURAL THINGS JUST SO I'M TRYING TO SHAPE A MOTION AND IT'S NOT, I KNOW WE'RE NOT QUITE THERE, BUT WE'RE GETTING CLOSER.
UM, SO FOR THE ARCHITECTURAL ONES, THOSE ARE THE ONES WHERE I'M STILL HAVING A FEW THINGS THAT I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE IDEA IS HERE.
THE FIRST ONE IS JUST ACKNOWLEDGING THAT THE SIGN WILL NOT EXCEED THAT 40, BUT THEN THE NEXT ONE IS THE PAVILION DESIGN AND THEN ADDITIONAL INFORMATION ON ADA ACCESS.
UM, NUMBER FOUR, THE ROOF PITCHES, WHAT THE FEELING ON THE ROOF PITCH ITEM IS.
UM, NUMBER FIVE, THE METAL SIDING MATERIAL.
THEY INDICATED THAT THEY WOULD DO THE FORD AND BATTEN APPEARANCE, BUT ON THE PLANS IT'S CURRENTLY SHOWING AS CORRUGATED.
SO THAT WOULD NEED TO BE ADDRESSED IF IT IS A CONDITION.
UM, SO THE FIRST THREE ARE THE PAVILION WITH ADA, THE LOCATION, ORIENTATION AND ADA ACCESS.
AND THEN THE ROOF PITCH ARE THE FIRST TWO THAT I HAVE QUESTION ON STILL WHAT DIRECTION ADA IS PART OF THE CODE, RIGHT? CORRECT.
SO THAT'S GONNA BE ADDRESSED IN THE CODE.
I WOULD THINK IT WOULD, IT'S ARCHITECTURAL STILL.
SO WE'LL NEED TO SEE SOMETHING.
BUT AS FAR AS THE PAVILION'S CONCERNED, WHAT I, WHAT I THINK WE SHOULD DO MOTION WISE IS, UM, AS PART OF THE MOTION TO SAY THAT IF THE APPLICANT DECIDES TO PUT THE PAVILION IN, THEN IT MUST BE ROTATED 90 DEGREES SO THAT THE OPENING IS FACING WESTWARD AND AWAY FROM THE RESIDENCE.
THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I WOULD BE COMFORTABLE WITH WITH THE PAVILION.
I DON'T KNOW HOW EVERYBODY ELSE FEELS ON THAT.
AND IT WOULD STILL HAVE TO COME BACK THROUGH TO WE AND TO ME I HOW THE REST OF THE COMMISSION, I'M, I'M JUST WONDERING CAUSE IS BETTER THAN, HEY, I CAN POINT IN THE WRONG WAY.
I WAS JUST ASKING MY QUESTION BECAUSE IF IT IS THE FRONTAGE HIGHWAY CORRIDOR, WOULD WE NEED, IF THEY ROTATED IT, WOULD WE NEED TO SEE IT IN THAT CONTEXT? THAT WOULD BE UP TO YOU AS TO HOW THAT MOTION WOULD BE MADE.
UM, WHETHER IT'S, IF, IF IT IS 90 DEGREES, 90 DEGREES IS A, A MEASURED ANGLE THAT I AM CAPABLE OF, OF TAKING A LOOK AT.
BUT UM, IF IT IS THAT YOU WANT TO SEE HOW IT'S GOING TO BE INCORPORATED INTO THE SITE SITE MORE, YOU COULD SPECIFY THAT AS WELL.
SO WHAT, I'M SORRY Y'ALL, WE WERE HAVING ALL DIFFERENT CONVERSATIONS.
SO ARE YOU AS THE MOTION WOULD BE, THEY EITHER ELIMINATE IT OR THEY ROTATE AT 90 DEGREES.
BUT IF THEY CHOOSE TO INCLUDE THE PAVILION THAT IT SHOULD BE ROTATED 90 DEGREES I THINK.
AND ADDITIONALLY, IF YOU'RE DOING THAT SHIFT, ITS LOCATION, IT CAN SHIFT THE GARDENS AROUND THERE.
UM, IT, IT CAN IMPACT THE SITE, ESPECIALLY IN THE FRONTAGE.
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THINK THAT MAYBE SOMETHING WE REALLY WANNA BE LOOKING AT.IN THE RECOMMENDATION THEN WE WOULD WANT TO SEE IF THAT WERE TO BE RELOCATED, WE WOULD WE WANT TO SEE IT AGAIN OR LEAVE IT UP TO STAFF? WELL, WE COULD SAY THAT FINAL, I MEAN THREE OF US ARE GONNA BE IN FINAL BUT WE DON'T REVIEW ARCHITECTURE FOR DRC.
BUT IF IT JUST BEING ROTATED IS WHAT THEY'RE SAYING.
NO, NO CHANGES TO THE ARCHITECTURE ITSELF.
BUT JUST BUT THEN YOU'VE GOT THAT PEN.
WHY DON'T WE ASK THE APPLICANT WHAT THEY'RE LEANING TOWARDS? YEAH.
WHAT IS YOUR FEELING TOWARDS THIS? INSTEAD OF MAKING MULTIPLE OPTIONS CONVERSING WITH THE ME OUR OPINION WOULD BE TO ELIMINATE THE PAVILION.
AND THEN SHOULD WE CHOOSE TO ADD ANOTHER PIECE OF ARCHITECTURE, WE'LL GO THROUGH THE PROCESS AND BRING IT TO YOU AND SHOW YOU WHAT THE REVISIONS ARE AT A LATER DATE.
THAT'S LIKELY A CLEAN OPTION IS TO CLEAN.
SO ON OUR RECOMMENDATION WE WOULD JUST SAY THE REMOVAL OF THE PAVILION AND IF ONE WAS TO COME, IF THEY WANTED TO ADD ONE IT WOULD COME BACK THROUGH OR IT'SS NOT.
I, I THINK JUST AS A, AS A CONDITION, JUST THE REMOVAL OF THE PAVILION.
UM, THE NEXT ONE IS THE ROOF PITCH.
UM, I THINK, I THINK THAT MAIN ONE WOULD NEED TO BE CHANGED JUST BECAUSE WE DON'T WANNA, LIKE I'VE BEEN SAYING BEFORE, GIVE ONE PERSON ALLOWANCE AND NOT THE OTHER.
SO I THINK WE NEED TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE CODE.
I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING BUT THAT JUST, JUST, JUST THINKING IT THROUGH AS A NON-ARCHITECT THAT PUTS THAT BACK BUILDING, THAT METAL BUILDING UP HIGHER THAN THAT FRONT BUILDING.
DO WE REALLY WANT TO HAVE THAT VISUAL FROM 46? DOES IT MATTER? I I'M I ASKING THE TWO EXPERTS IN THIS AREA UP HERE.
I ALSO, I JUST WANT TO BE VERY CAREFUL ABOUT IT BECAUSE WE START DOING EXCEPTIONS HERE AND THERE.
IT'S A QUESTION WITH THE WAY THAT THE CODE IS WRITTEN AND IT SAYS AEDI, IS IT, DOES IT MEAN A PARA? WHAT DOES WE MEAN BY THAT? OH, IT DOES SAY EDI IN OUR ORDINANCE AND IT IS SOMETHING WE NEED TO DEFINITELY TAKE A LOOK AT.
HOWEVER, UM, PARAS HAVE BEEN ACCEPTED TO COVER THOSE SPOT WALLS BECAUSE IT THEN IS NO LONGER A FLAT ROOF THAT YOU ARE SEEING.
IT IS A, A BUILDING WALL THAT IS BEING SEEN INSTEAD.
SECONDARY QUESTION IS THE PARAPET WALL THAT'S ON THE FRONT OF THAT BUILDING, IS THAT ALLOWED TO HAVE THE THREE AND 12 PITCH? BECAUSE IT IS A WALL.
THAT'S NOT ONE OF THE AREAS THAT HAS BEEN CALLED OUT AS WELL.
THIS ONE IS THREE AND 12, BUT IT'S NOT CALLED OUT MY STAFF REPORT.
UM, BECAUSE IT IS THAT WALL IS THE PITCH WALL.
THIS ONE IS THE THREE AND 12 IS THE, THE HEIGHT IN THERE THEN IT'S SIX AND 12 HERE.
THIS AREA, THESE, UM, OVER THE DOORS HERE IS WHAT YOU'RE SEEING BELOW ARE THE, WHAT I'M TRYING TO GET AT IS THE VISIBLE ELEVATION IS ALLOWABLE AS CURRENTLY DESIGNED BECAUSE THE WALL IS ALLOWED TO HAVE A THREE AND 12 APPEARANCE.
THE WALL, WHAT I'M JUST SAYING, THE ONE THAT'S FACING THE STREET IS COMPLIANT.
TWO ONAR ARTICUL ELEVATIONS THAT ARE THE METAL BUILDING THAT ARE THE ISSUE SEEING IT FROM.
SO COULD YOU KEEP THAT THREE, COULD YOU KEEP THE LOOK OF THAT? IF YOU DID THAT, HOW HIGH UP WOULD YOU HAVE TO RAISE WHAT YOU ALREADY HAVE TO HIDE THE FOUR OR CAN YOU MAKE THE, THE DROP THE PLATE HEIGHT DOWN? YEAH.
CAN YOU DROP THE PLATE HEIGHT DOWN TO HAVE THAT FOUR 12 BEHIND WHAT YOU ALREADY HAVE? WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF PLATE HEIGHT TO DROP, BUT IT IS CONCEIVABLE THAT THIS STAYS THREE 12.
WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THIS KNUCKLE RIGHT HERE, UM, THAT WE COULD, I MEAN IT ADDS ABOUT SIX FEET TO THE RIDGE HEIGHT.
AND AGAIN, KIND OF TO THE NEIGHBOR'S CONCERN ABOUT THIS BUILDING, THEY'RE GONNA SEE THE OTHER SIDE OF THIS THING AND WE'RE GONNA ADD ANOTHER SIX FEET, WHICH IS JUST GONNA MAKE IT EVEN LARGER.
UM, SO WHAT'S ABOVE THAT AREA? I THINK, UM, THIS AREA IS OUR FLOOR.
NO, IT'S IT'S OPEN, RIGHT? IT'S ALL PRODUCTION.
SO IS THERE A MINIMUM PLATE HEIGHT FOR THOSE OUTER EDGES? CAN YOU DROP THEM OR IS THERE A MINIMUM HEIGHT YOU'RE DEALING WITH BECAUSE OF THE PRODUCTION? THERE'S A MINIMUM HEIGHT FOR THE INSIDE FERMENTERS THAT ARE 23 FEET.
WE DON'T NEED THE CENTER HEIGHT, BUT WE NEED THE EDGE HEIGHT.
UM, SO WE, UM, WE LOOKED, IT STARTED OFF AS FOUR 12, LIKE PREVIOUSLY APPROVED ONE.
IT JUST GOT, SO WE'RE ASKING FOR THE DUE, THE FACT THAT IT IS LOCATED IN THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY, UM, IT'S SERVICE.
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KEEP THE SCALE OF THE BUILDING SMALLER, UM, ASKING FOR DIVISION, IT IS POSSIBLE TO LYDIA'S COMMENTS, PAUL'S COMMENT, UM, THAT WE COULD KEEP THE FACADE HERE AND MAKE, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S THAT IMPORTANT MAKE THE FOUR 12 BEHIND THE THREE 12 WALL I THINK IS KIND OF WHAT YOU'RE YES.I'M JUST, IT'S LIKE WHAT WE'RE SEEING IS A FACADE.
A FACADE AND IT'S ALSO PER LIKE, IT IS COMPLIANT WITH THE UD.
IT'S THE TWO OTHER ELEVATIONS THAT NOT MANY PEOPLE ARE GONNA SEE AND WE'RE HEAVILY PLANTING THAT WOULDN'T BE COMPLIANT.
SO I GUESS MY QUESTION IS, IS IT WORTH MAKING THE BUILDING TALLER AND HAVING A LARGER SCALE TO HIT THAT REQUIREMENT? I JUST DON'T WANT TO SET A PRESIDENT OF DOING THAT BECAUSE WE TALK ABOUT THIS ALL THE TIME WITH OTHER BUILDINGS AND IT JUST REALLY BOTHERS ME THAT WE LET ONE PERSON DO ONE THING AND SOMEONE ELSE NOT, IT'S NOT JUST, I'M NOT JUST COMPARING THE A DISTILLERY, BUT THERE'S BEEN OTHER BUILDINGS THAT HAVE THAT WE'VE HAD THAT I UNDERSTAND THE CONCERN, BUT I THINK ALSO YOU CAN STATE IT'S ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS.
SO THERE'S A LOT OF FACTORS THAT HAVE BEEN, YOU HAVE BEEN DISCUSSING, YOU KNOW, PROXIMITY TO ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS, YOU KNOW, YOU WANNA RESTRICT THAT, YOU KNOW, LESSEN THAT HEIGHT.
SO I I THINK YOU'RE OKAY IN THAT STANDPOINT.
AND ECHO MR. MR COMMENTS THE UH, FIVE SECTION OF THE CODE THAT PROVIDES THAT THAT REQUIREMENT.
THE FOUR 12
SO, UM, IT NEED TO BE WORKED ON APPARENTLY.
SO I DO, I'M SORT OF WHERE LIDDY IS, I'M NOT SURE ONE BIGGER, TALLER BUILDING.
SO I THINK AGAIN, ECHO MR. AKER'S COMMENTS, I I THINK THAT THE UDO GIVES YOU SOME VERY MINIMAL FLEXIBILITY BASED OFF A MASSING AND SCALE TO POTENTIALLY, UH, LOOK AT THAT AND PERHAPS, UH, APPROVE A DEVIATION I GUESS OF THAT, THAT FOUR 12 MINIMUM PITCH HEIGHT.
WELL, MY THOUGHT IS, I, I'D RATHER HAVE THE BRICK BUILDING UP FRONT BE THE PRIMARY VISUAL WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT IT.
AND AGAIN, AS A LAYMAN, I JUST DON'T, I'D HATE TO SEE THAT BECOME BIG ENOUGH THAT THAT BECOMES THE FOCAL POINT WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT THAT ELEVATION.
AND IF, IF I, I THINK I SHARE YOUR CONCERN.
WELL, I'M JUST SAYING THERE'S OTHER MEASURES, BUT WHAT'S, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S CLEAR SO THAT OTHER APPLICANTS DON'T COME IN WITH THIS SAME THING AND THEN WE TELL THEM NO BECAUSE OF SOMETHING ELSE.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT'S OUT IN THE OPEN AND CLEAR.
IT'S ONE OF THOSE, IT'S ONE OF THOSE ISSUES WITH THE UDO WHERE WE HAVE A FIXED, A FIXED REQUIREMENT TO TRY TO CREATE A SENSE OF UNIFORMITY WITHIN THIS DISTRICT THAT EXPAND AND, YOU KNOW, THAT RUNS ALL THE WAY ALONG OUR HIGHWAY CORRIDOR OVERLY DISTRICT.
SO IN, IN, YOU KNOW, THE, THE FOUR 12 MINIMUM PITCH IS THERE FOR A REASON.
UH, BUT THERE IS ALSO, THERE ARE ALSO OTHER PROVISIONS IN THE HIGHWAY COURT OR OVERLAY DISTRICT STANDARDS THAT I THINK WOULD BE, THAT SEEM TO RUN COUNTER TO THAT IN PARTICULAR THE SCALE AND THE MASSING IS AS PLAINTIFF COMMISSION HAS DISCUSSED.
SO I I THINK THERE'S SOME VERY MINIMAL FLEXIBILITY THERE.
UM, I WOULD BE, I WOULD AGAIN URGE CAUTION AND DEVIATING FROM THOSE STANDARDS UNLESS THERE'S A, I MEAN UNLESS YOU HAVE THE ABILITY OR THE ABILITY, UNLESS YOU HAVE A BASIS FOR DOING SO IN THAT UD FOR EXAMPLE, WE, WE APPROVED ONE WITH A LOWER PITCH BECAUSE THERE WAS A TREE AND THERE WERE TREE LIMBS.
SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE EXISTING STRUCTURE TOO.
UM, NOT THE ONE I'M THINKING OF, BUT WE DID, WE APPROVED THE PORCH ON CAHILLS ALSO.
WHAT THAT'S THE, THE PORCH ON CAHILL.
WE APPROVED LIKE A TWO AND 12 PORCH.
THAT WAS, THAT'S WHAT I JUST WANNA MAKE IT CLEAR.
I THINK JUST THE RECORDING OF THIS, HERE'S HOW TO PROTECT ALL PARTIES.
I HAVE A QUESTION FOR MY ARCHITECTURE EXPERTS OVER HERE.
UM, THAT IS ARCHITECT NOT WELL.
PEOPLE THAT KNOW IT BETTER THAN I DO.
IS THERE A REASON THAT, THAT THE RIDGE OF THAT ROOF LINE WHERE THAT'S OF CONCERN ON THAT BACK PORTION OF THE BUILDING CAN'T TOP OF THAT CAN'T STAY THE SAME AND THEY THEN PITCH IT DOWN FROM THERE AND THEY, BECAUSE THE PLATE HEIGHT, SO WHERE THE WALL STARTS, YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND, I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU MEAN BY PLATE.
WHERE THE ROOF STARTS IS A FIXED HEIGHT.
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THE, WHAT THEY NEED ON THE INTERIOR.THEY HAVE TO HAVE IT START, THAT'S WHAT HE'S SAYING FOR THE EQUIPMENT.
THE EQUIPMENT THAT THEY HAVE IN THE SPACE.
SORRY, BASED ON THE EQUIPMENT IN THE SPACE, IT'S THE MINIMUM HEIGHT.
JAMES, WOULD YOU LIKE EXPLAIN PLATE HEIGHT AND YOUR EQUIPMENT HEIGHT AND WHERE THE EQUIPMENT IS LOCATED AND WHERE THE HEIGHT NEEDS TO BE? UHOH? I'LL TRY IT TO, UH, SIMPLE.
SO THIS, THIS BUILDING WHAT STARTED BY WHAT THE MINIMUM HEIGHT OF THIS SECTION NEEDED TO BE BASED UPON THE EQUIPMENT SIZES FOR A 90 GALLON FIRMER, WHICH IS REALLY TALL.
YOU CAN SEE THE GRAIN SILOS, YOU CAN SEE THE GRAIN SILOS.
SO THESE THINGS SIT RIGHT IN HERE AND WE WENT UP FOUR AND 12 ON THE PREVIOUS ONE AND IT ENDS UP HERE.
AND WE SAID THE KNOW THAT'S REALLY TALL, I KNOW WE'RE GOING AGAINST THE ORANGE SPOT BASED UPON THE THING IN THE BACK OF THIS LITTLE FACILITY, A PRODUCTION SIDE OF THINGS, KEEPING SCALP.
WE SAID WHAT WE'RE GONNA SHOW THEM THREE RECALL IS NOT SUBSTANTIALLY HIGHER THAN THE FRONT OF HOUSE BUILDING FACING THE CORRIDOR.
SO THAT'S WHERE THIS ALL STARTED.
MINIMUM HIGHER HERE UP TO FOUR 12.
SEE IF WE CAN'T MAKE THIS THING LOOK REALLY GOOD FOR ALL THE THINGS THAT WE'VE DISCUSSED THIS EVENING.
AND BECAUSE YOU DON'T WANT THIS TO LOOK LIKE THE BROAD SIDE OF THE BARN, THAT'S WHY YOU'VE GOT AN ARCHITECTURAL COMPONENT IN THE CENTER THAT RAISE IS RAISED TO HIRE.
WE DIDN'T WANT IT TO FEEL LIKE IT WAS JUST A FLAT FACADE.
AND AGAIN, I KNOW WHAT THE UD SAYS AND PRESS A THREE 12 ROOF IS NOT SAYING THE UDO IS CORRECT.
I'M JUST SAYING A LAW TO GO BY THREE 12.
THIS IS NOT, AND I KNOW THE INTENT OF THE IS TO KEEP YOUR TRADITIONAL MODE BUILDING OUTTA HALF 12 AND IT LOOKED LIKE WAS SWORD BUILDING.
UM, BUT YOU KNOW, THE DEVIATION BETWEEN A FOUR AND THREE I THINK IS, YOU REALIZE HER MAIN CONCERN IS THAT YOU DON'T COME BACK HERE IN SIX MONTHS AND SAY, WELL YOU LET ME DO IT ON THE BREWERY.
GIVING YOU ALL FLEXIBILITY TO MAKE IMPORTANT JUDGEMENTS LIKE THAT AND STAFF, I THINK IS REALLY KEY KIA RELAY.
OKAY, WELL LET'S MOVE ON CAUSE WE NEED TO FINISH UP.
WELL I HAVE, WE HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO GO.
I MEAN, I UNDERSTAND THE EXCEPTION THAT IT CAME FROM OTHER, THIS IS NEW CONSTRUCTION, THE REASON, THESE ARE A LOT OF WORDS THAT ARE COMING OUT REAL JUMBLED LONG DAY.
UM, THIS DOES NOT HAVE TO GO TO A BZA, THIS KIND OF VARIATION, THIS EXCEPTION TO THE RULE.
THIS IS WITHIN OUR PURVIEW TO SAY YES OKAY.
WE'VE DONE IT ON SOME OTHER, WELL I'M, I'M, BUT THEY WERE DIFFERENT CIRCUMSTANCES AS WE'VE TALKED ABOUT.
SO IT, IT REALLY HAS, IT GETS DOWN TO THE HIGHWAY COURT OVERLAY DISTRICT AND THE LANGUAGE IN THERE.
UM, WE'VE HAD UDO ADMINISTRATOR HAS TAKEN THE POSITION IN THE PAST THAT IT DOES NOT REQUIRE A VARIANCE, UH, WHICH WOULD REQUIRE, YOU KNOW, A SHOWING OF AN EXCEPTIONAL HARDSHIP, UH, TO, YOU KNOW, DEVIATE FROM THOSE SPECIFIC DESIGN STANDARDS ON THE A C O D, UM, THE ROOF SLOPE.
SO, UH, IN OUR OPINION WE THINK THAT THAT PROBABLY TIES INTO THE INTENT OF THE SECTION AND ALL OF THE PREPARATORY LANGUAGE THAT LEADS INTO WHY THAT'S IN THERE.
SO, UM, IT'S, IT'S OUR OPINION THAT Y'ALL SHOULD HAVE THAT AUTHORITY UNDER THE CURRENT IT, IN OTHER WORDS.
SO GETTING BACK TO THIS, THE SIDING, WE'RE GOOD WITH THAT JAMES.
UM, THE BOARD AND BE EVERYBODY'S BOARD AND BAT.
UM, AND THEN THE UNARTICULATED FACADE WE TALKED ABOUT, YOU'LL, YOU'LL REINVESTIGATE THAT WITH CERTAIN UNDULATIONS IN OR OUT ON THE, MAYBE THE GARAGE DOOR AREAS? THAT'S CORRECT.
WHO WILL DO THAT? IS ARE, IS EVERYBODY COMFORTABLE WITH THAT? OKAY.
LANDSCAPING ARE THERE, IS EVERYBODY COMFORTABLE WITH THE THINGS THAT DAN HAD DESCRIBED? UM, IS THERE SOMETHING ADDITIONAL YOU'D LIKE TO SEE OR SOMETHING THAT CAUSES YOU, I'M SORRY FOR THE ARTICULATION ALONG THE NORTH ELEVATION, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU WERE HAVING THEM BRING TO STAFF FOR THEIR REVIEW OR IS IS THAT YEAH, I, HOW DO WE WANNA HANDLE THAT? WHAT,
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AND THAT'S OKAY IF THAT IS THE CASE.UM, IF YOU ALL TRUST THAT I CAN DETERMINE WHAT ARTICULATION IS APPROPRIATE ON THAT.
UM, ALONG WITH THE REST OF STAFF.
UM, IF THERE'S A SPECIFIC, SOMETHING THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE INCORPORATED IN THAT, PLEASE SPECIFY THAT AS YOU MAKE IT MOTION, WHETHER IT'S THE AWNINGS OVER GARAGE DOORS OR THE WELL I WOULD SAY KIND OF LIKE THE WAY THAT JAMES WOULD YOU DESCRIBE IT? I'D LOVE TO.
I'M THINKING THE WAY THAT A PICTURE.
CAN YOU DRAW A SKETCH? NO KNOW
SO YOU CAN SEE UH, IN THIS BAY BETWEEN COLUMN LINE THAT'S CALLED 13 AND 10 ACTUALLY BUMP OUT AND PROVIDE A FACADE HERE MAYBE OF HARDY SIDING.
UM, THAT WOULD HELP BREAK UP THE METAL ROOF AND THEN DO THE SAME THING HERE.
SO WE ACTUALLY GET A PROJECTION, UM, WITH A A FOUR AND 12 UH, ROOF SLOPE OVER IT.
UM, THAT WOULD EXTEND OUT MAYBE A COUPLE FEET EXTRA, PROVIDES PROTECTION IN THE RAIN THROUGH THE OVERHEAD DOORS AND THEN WOULD ACTUALLY BREAK UP THE MATERIALS AS WELL.
WE PROBABLY SET THAT, UM, IT'S LIKE WHATEVER THAT IS, 12 FEET OR SO, KIND OF RIGHT UP IN THIS LANE HERE ON THIS SIDE AND THIS SIDE TO HELP BREAK IT UP.
I THINK THE, UH, SPENT SILOS AND THE OTHER EQUIPMENT ARCHITECTURE FEATURES, WHILE IT'S NOT ARCHITECTURE, I THINK ACTUALLY IT'S REALLY COOL AND WILL HELP PROVIDE INTEREST ALONG THE FACADE IN ADDITION TO THAT.
AND YOU SAID THE BOARD AND BAT, THE METAL BOARD METAL WARD? A HUNDRED PERCENT QUESTION.
I WOULD JUST NOTE FOR OUR CONDITIONS AS WE'RE LISTING THEM, I THINK THE BRACKETED SHED LIKE ANYTHING THAT CAN BE A FOUR AND 12, WE SHOULD PROBABLY MAKE FOUR AND 12.
BUT YES, I'M OKAY WITH PAIR OF IT.
SO IS EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDING HIS EXPLANATION AND IS IT YES ON THAT? AND THE LAST ONE IS THE MANUFACTURING SHEETS FOR THE SYSTEMS. UM, NOTING THE SIZE OF THEM.
WE'VE HAD CHALLENGES WITH CISTERN THAT HAVE BEEN BEAUTIFUL ON THIS AND THEN HAD TO BE A THIRD OF THE SIZE FOR SEVERAL PROJECTS THROUGHOUT TOWN.
UM, BOTH PLACES THAT MAKE THE BOOZE NOW AND ANOTHER, UM, LOCATION THAT HAS USED IT AS A, IT WAS A RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE ACTUALLY THAT HAD A UM, LIKE RAIN SYSTEM THAT WAS A LOT SMALLER THAN IT APPEARS ON HERE AND SINCE IT IS PART OF THE ARTICULATION, IF WE GET THOSE CUT SHEETS JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT THE EVERYTHING GETS CUT SHEETS THEY WON.
I PROMISE YOU YOU DON'T WANNA ROLL US SEMI TRAILER YEAH.
AND NOT HAVE ENOUGH SPACE TO DUMP IT IN THERE.
DOES THAT HELP YOU? KAY? UM, YES.
SO CAN WE DO IT TO LANDSCAPE? I THINK.
SO A QUICK BY SUMMARY OF WHAT POTENTIALLY COULD BE A MOTION AT THIS TIME WOULD BE TO APPROVE THE APPLICATION WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS.
ONE THAT THEY ACKNOWLEDGED THAT THE SIGN MAY NOT EXCEED 40 SQUARE FEET AS A WALL SIGN PER OUR ORDINANCE.
THAT THE PAVILION BE REMOVED PER STAFF THREE.
THAT THE UM, ANY CHANGES WOULD NEED TO BE REFLECT WOULD NEED TO GO THROUGH THE REVIEW THROUGH THE TOWN OF BLUFFTON.
THE ROOF PITCHES ON THE AWNINGS OVER THE DOORS BE INCREASED TO FOUR AND 12 ANYWHERE THAT POSSIBLE.
BUT THE MAIN MASS AND LARGER PORCHES SLASH HYEN COULD REMAIN AS SUBMITTED IN ORDER TO KEEP THE MASS DOWN IN KEEPING WITH THE INTENT OF THE HIGHWAY CORRIDOR OVERLAY.
SECTION FIVE 14 THAT THE CORRUGATED METAL BE CHANGED TO A BOARD AND BATTEN METAL TO BE REVIEWED AT A STAFF LEVEL.
THE PAVILION IS GONE SO THERE'S NO CONDITION.
SEVEN UM, AT STAFF LEVEL TO BREAK UP THE MATERIAL WITH LOWER ROOF LINES ALONG THE GARAGE DOORS AND CHANGE OF MATERIALS
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IF POSSIBLE TO BE REVIEWED AT A STAFF LEVEL PER STAFF.8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 15 WILL NEED TO MEET THE MINIMUM, UH, POTENTIALLY USING THE PARKERS LIGHTING TO MEET THAT MINIMUM.
AND THE ADDITIONAL REQUIREMENT THAT THE FENCE TYPE TWO PRIVACY SCREENING ALONG THE EAST PROPERTY LINE BE INCREASED TO EIGHT FEET HEIGHT.
I THOUGHT YOU WERE GONNA MISS THAT ONE.
DO I A SECOND? SECOND AND TWO SECOND.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THAT? OKAY.
IT'S A BIG PROJECT, IMPORTANT PROJECT'S.
JUST REMEMBER THAT EAST FIREPLACE IS MY SEAT RIGHT NEXT TO ME.
[5. Adoption of 2023 Planning Commission Meeting Dates: (Staff - Jordan Holloway)]
ADOPTION OF THE 2023 PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING DATE.KEVIN'S GOT IT MARTY, OVER TIME ON THIS ONE.
SO HERE ARE THE PROPOSED PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING AND A PATIENT SUBMISSION DEADLINE SCHEDULES UP ON YOUR SCREEN.
DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY CONCERNS WITH THESE DATES? RIGHT? IS NUMBER 20 FEELS VERY CLOSE TO CHRISTMAS.
FIVE DAYS OR STILL VERY CLOSE? YEAH, BUT IF YOU MOVE IT A WEEK SOONER THAN IT MAKES IT WHAT? THE 13TH, WHICH IS STILL ALMOST AN ENTIRE MONTH.
I MEAN THAT'S STILL LIKE 28 DAYS AFTER THE PROBLEM WITH THAT.
SOMETIMES MOVING IT TO THE 13TH, THEN EATING SUBMISSION MATERIALS FOUR WEEKS PRIOR TO MEETING.
YOU'RE GETTING NEW SUBMISSION MATERIALS PRIOR TO MEETING.
YOU ACTUALLY HAVE THE MONTH BEFORE AND THEN ITS POTENTIAL WITH TOWN COUNCIL AND OTHER, YOU JUST BE ABSENT THAT DAY.
WHAT'S THAT? YOU JUST MIGHT HAVE TO BE ABSENT THAT DAY.
WE USUALLY TAKE BETWEEN CHRISTMAS AND NEW YEAR, SO IT IS JUST RUNNING UP AGAINST MY LATE LAST MINUTE CHRISTMAS SHOPPING.
MOVE TO ACCEPT THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S SCHEDULE AS WRITTEN.
SET ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR.
[6. Adoption of 2023 Development Review Committee Meeting Dates: (Staff - Jordan Holloway)]
YOU.JORDAN, HOW ABOUT THE ADOPTION OF THE 2023 DEVELOPMENT REVIEW COMMITTEE MEETING DATES? SOME MOVES? OH, SIR.
OH, ANY DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR? OKAY.
AND DO I HAVE A MOTION TO ADJOURN? TO MOVE? OH SECOND.
ANY DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.