[1. CALL TO ORDER]
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I WOULD LIKE TO CALL THE CAUCUS MEETING TO ORDER.
WOULD YOU ALL RISE FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE, PLEASE? I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
WILL THE CLERK PLEASE TAKE THE ROLE? COUNCIL MEMBER CUNNINGHAM, UH, PRESENT AND IN PERSON.
COUNCIL MEMBER DAWSON, ABSENT.
COUNCIL MEMBER GLOVER IS ON HIS WAY, BUT ABSENT MR. RODMAN IS ALSO ON HIS WAY THERE.
VICE CHAIRMAN SOMERVILLE, PRESENT.
PUBLIC NOTIFICATION OF THIS MEETING HAS BEEN PUBLISHED, POSTED AND DISTRIBUTED IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE SOUTH CAROLINA FREEDOM OF INFORMA INFORMATION ACT.
[4. APPROVAL OF THE AGENDA]
UH, MEMBER OF THE COUNCIL MAKE A MOTION AND SECOND FOR THE APPROVAL OF THE CAUCUS AGENDA? SO MOVE ONE SECOND.JULIE MOTIONED AND SECOND BY MR. MCKELLAN AND MS. HOWARD, UH, ANY DISCUSSION? SEEING NO DISCUSSION? THE AGENDA WILL BE APPROVED WITHOUT OBJECTION AND I SEE NO OBJECTION.
[5. AGENDA REVIEW]
OF THE AGENDA, UH, THE AGENDA HAS BEEN SENT OUT TO EVERYONE.THE CONSENT AGENDA IS VERY SHORT.
WE DO HAVE SEVERAL ITEMS THAT ARE PUBLIC HEARINGS AND FIRST READINGS AND APPROVALS.
ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE AGENDA? THIS IS THE AGENDA FOR COUNSEL.
I HAVE TO, UH, I HAVE TO TAKE AN ACTION ON THAT.
UM, YEAH, I HAVE A, UH, A SUGGESTION.
I WOULD LIKE TO AMEND THE AGENDA TO INCLUDE ANOTHER ITEM.
I UNDERSTAND THAT THE, UM, AGENDA ITEM THAT I'M GOING TO PROPOSE ONLY NEEDS TO BE APPROVED BY A SIMPLE MAJORITY.
IS THAT CORRECT, MR. KEVIN? YES.
UM, MR. GREENWAY, WHAT, UH, WOULD BE THE LANGUAGE WE WOULD TALK ABOUT WITH REGARD TO THE PAYOUT? WHAT IS THAT REFERRED TO? GENERALLY IN, IN REAL LIFE? PAID LEAVE TIME.
CASH OUT WHAT? SORRY? PAID LEAVE TIME.
I'D LIKE TO, UM, UH, AMEND THE AGENDA TO INCLUDE PAID LEAVE TIME, CASH OUT, UH, ON THE AGENDA FOR A MOTION TO GRANT THAT TO THE, UH, EMPLOYEES, UH, OF BEAUFORT COUNTY FOR THIS SEASON BETWEEN THANKSGIVING AND CHRISTMAS, SO THAT THEY MAY MAKE ARRANGEMENTS TO, UM, USE SOME OF THEIR CRUDE LEAVE FOR A, UH, PAYOUT.
AND THIS WILL TAKE PLACE AT THE COUNCIL MEETING? THAT'S RIGHT.
ANY OTHER, DO WE NEED TO VOTE ON THAT? NO, NO.
WE WILL VOTE ON THAT WHEN, NO, I MEAN, YOU, YOU WANNA VOTE ON IT TO AMEND THE AGENDA? YEAH, I WANTED TO AMEND THE AGENDA AT, AT THE MEETING, AT THE COUNCIL MEETING.
YEAH, THAT'S, YEAH, CUZ WE'RE NOT AMENDING THE CAUCUS MEETING.
WE'RE AMENDING THE COUNCIL MEETING.
BUT YOU'RE JUST ALERTING EVERYBODY THAT IS COMING.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THE AGENDA, MR. LL? THANK YOU.
UM, I HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT, UH, TWO OF THE ITEMS THAT ARE ON THE AGENDA AND I'D LIKE SOME CLARIFICATION AND, UH, DISCUSSION BY STAFF SO THAT WE CAN SAVE, SAVE TIME.
APPARENTLY WE DON'T REALLY NEED THE TIME RIGHT NOW, MR. CHAIRMAN, IS THAT RIGHT? WE CAN TAKE A LITTLE TIME TO TALK ABOUT ITEMS OR, OH, ABSOLUTELY.
ARE YOU IN A HURRY TO GET TO EXECUTIVE SESSION? NO, NO, WE STILL HAVE TIME CUZ THE EXECUTIVE SESSION IS, UH, HOPEFULLY IT'S A FIVE MINUTE EXECUTIVE SESSION.
THAT'S, THAT'S KIND OF WHAT I THOUGHT.
UM, SO ITEM NUMBER 20 IS MY FIRST QUESTION.
THAT'S REGARDING THE PORTABLE STORAGE CONTAINER NOT CONSIDERED SUITABLE FOR DWELLING.
I'D LIKE TO TALK ABOUT THAT FOR, OR HAVE SOMEBODY TALK TO ME ABOUT THAT FOR A COUPLE OF MINUTES.
IS SOMEBODY FROM STAFF AVAILABLE? YES, SIR, THIS IS CHUCK.
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YOU? I'M DOING VERY WELL, THANK YOU.YOU KNOW, AS I'M READING THROUGH YOUR PROPOSAL AND DOING MY OWN RESEARCH, IT REALLY SEEMS TO BOIL DOWN TO THE STAFF, UM, THE STAFF'S CONCERN CENTERS AROUND, UM, HABIT HABITABILITY AND MAINTENANCE AND A COUPLE OTHER THINGS AS A, AS A GENERAL RULE.
BUT THEN THE BIG STICKING QUESTION IS, UH, REGARDING YOUR ABILITY TO PROPERLY INSPECT, UH, IS THAT, IS THAT A FAIR ASSESSMENT IN VERY, VERY BROAD TERMS, YES.
THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO TALK ABOUT RIGHT NOW.
SO I'M WONDERING IF YOUR, YOUR CURRENT INABILITY TO INSPECT, IS THAT A, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT CAN BE OVERCOME WITH ENGINEERING AND TRAINING, YOU KNOW, REQUESTING ENGINEERING FROM YOUR VARIOUS SUPPORT OR YOUR VARIOUS GROUPS THAT YOU BELONG TO, TO BE ABLE TO REQUEST THE KIND OF INFORMATION SO THAT YOU, YOUR PEOPLE CAN BE PROPERLY TRAINED TO DO THE INSPECTION AND THEN THAT WOULD JUST LEAVE THE OTHER BROAD STROKES THAT WE TALKED ABOUT HABITABILITY AND, UH, GUARANTEEING OF MAINTENANCE.
IS, IS THAT, SO I'M GONNA, I'M GONNA GET IN THE WEEDS JUST A LITTLE BIT, IF THAT'S OKAY.
SO BUILDING CODES IN ANY FORM EXIST TO PROTECT THE END USER.
WHEN THE BUILDING CODES DEPARTMENT SIGNS A CO THEY ARE CERTIFYING THAT IT EITHER MEETS THE PRESCRIPTIVE PORTIONS OF THAT CODE OR IS EQUIVALENT TO THAT CODE.
THE ISSUE WITH SHIPPING CONTAINERS IN PARTICULAR IS, SO THE QUESTION IS, CAN WE GET AN ALTERNATE MEANS AND METHOD THAT MEETS THE CODE OR IS EQUIVALENT TO THE CODE? THAT'S KIND OF THE FIRST QUESTION.
SO TO ME, TO ME, UH, THE ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION IS WITH THE STANDARDS THAT WE HAVE CURRENTLY, NO.
SO ALL ENGINEERING DESIGN, ALL THE CODES REFER BACK TO ENGINEERING DESIGN MANUALS FOR STRUCTURAL, IT'S THE A S C SEVEN, RIGHT? FOR, UM, HEATING AND COOLING BUILDINGS AND THERMAL ENVELOPES.
SO YOU GO BACK TO THAT, ALL OF THOSE PRESCRIPTIVELY REQUIRE MOVEMENT OF AIR.
THAT'S A, THAT'S A HUGE ISSUE WITHIN BUILDINGS.
WE'VE SPENT 20 YEARS MAKING BUILDINGS, UH, INTO IGLOO COOLERS ONLY TO FIND OUT THAT THEY ARE, UM, ENERGY EFFICIENT, BUT IN MANY WAYS UNHEALTHY TO THE POINT.
NOW THAT CODE IS REQUIRING THAT YOU POKE HOLES IN THEM, UH, TO GET MORE AIR EXCHANGES IN THE, LIKE, THE PROBLEM WITH SHIPPING CONTAINERS IS THEY ARE A STEEL BOX.
THERE WAS A FAD BACK IN THE LATE 1980S, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU REMEMBER THE ENERGY STAR PROGRAM, UH, THAT ONE OF THE POWER COMPANIES DID, AND THERE WAS A FAD AND THEY THOUGHT IT WAS A GREAT IDEA TO LINE ALL THE INSIDES, UH, WALLS OF A BUILDING WITH PLASTIC TO PREVENT THE TRANSFER OF AIR BECAUSE THAT WAS THE, THE BOOGEYMAN, RIGHT? YOU, YOU, IF YOU COULD STOP THE TRANSFER OF AIR ENERGY, ENERGY PRICES WOULD GO DOWN.
WELL, MOISTURE CONTROL ISSUES, UM, YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU CAN'T DENY PHYSICS AND, AND THE LAWS OF THERMODYNAMICS.
WHAT HAPPENED WAS THE MOISTURE INSIDE OF THE ROOM CONDENSED ON THE PLASTIC, AND 10 YEARS LATER WE STARTED PULLING HOUSES APART ONLY TO FIND A THICK FILM OF BLACK MOLD BETWEEN THE DRYWALL AND THE PLASTIC.
ANOTHER, I REMEMBER EXAMPLE OF THAT IS PUTTING, UH, STYROFOAM AROUND THE BOTTOM OF THE FOUNDATIONS SOUNDED GREAT.
YOU KNOW, WE'LL KEEP THE TRANSFER OF HEAT AT THE FOUNDATION.
WELL, IT GAVE A PLACE FOR TERMITES TO BORE UP, AND DOZENS AND DOZENS OF HOUSES IN THE SOUTHEAST WERE EATEN UP BECAUSE OF THAT, YOU KNOW, UM, FAD IS WHAT I'LL CALL IT.
SO I'M SURE THEY WERE WELL INTENTIONED, BUT THERE WERE UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES FOR THAT.
SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT SHIPPING CONTAINERS, IT IS A METAL BOX.
AND THE PRESCRIPTIVE, I'M GONNA SAY PRESCRIPTIVE, THE WAY PEOPLE ARE DOING IT NOW IS THEY ARE LINING THEM WITH CLOSED CELL PHONE.
ALL RIGHT? SO NOW WE HAVE, IN ESSENCE, A STEEL COKE CAN LINED WITH IMPERMEABLE PLASTIC.
IF YOU USE OPEN CELL FOAM, THE MOISTURE GOES THROUGH IT CONDENSES BEHIND THE FOAM, AND YOU WIND UP WITH A WET SPONGE.
IF YOU USE THE OTHER, UM, NOW YOU HAVE A COMPLETELY ENCLOSED CONTAINER.
AND THERE IS, TO MY KNOWLEDGE, NO PRESCRIPTIVE DESIGN THAT ENGINEERS CAN USE.
IT IS, UM, FOR LACK OF A BETTER TERM, EXPERIMENTAL.
SO CAN BUILDING DEPARTMENTS AND LOCAL JURISDICTIONS THROW IT OFF ON AN ENGINEER AND HOPE TO THE WIND THAT IT WORKS? YES.
TO ME, THAT IS NOT SUSTAINABLE.
WHEN WE SIGN A CEO, WE ARE SIGNING EQUIVALENT, UH, THAT IS A, AN EQUIVALENCY,
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WHICH MEANS PEOPLE CAN GET INSURANCE ON IT AND PEOPLE CAN GET A 30 YEAR MORTGAGE.UH, I, I WOULD HAVE A LOT OF TROUBLE SIGNING THAT, KNOWING THAT IT'S A GUESS, KNOWING THAT IT IS A FAD AND SETTING SOMEONE UP AND PERHAPS THE LEAST IN OUR COMMUNITY WHO COULD AFFORD IT AND SIGNING A DOCUMENT, STATING, YEAH, IT'S, IT'S GREAT.
DO IT ONLY TO FIND OUT THAT THERE ARE MANY, MANY UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES.
AND I'LL, I'LL ADD THIS AND THEN I'LL, I'LL STOP.
UM, THE 2021 CODE ADDRESSES THIS A LITTLE BIT.
THEY DON'T NECESSARILY ALLOW THEM PRESCRIPTIVELY.
WHAT THEY HAVE SAID IS, IF YOU MUST DO THIS IN THE IBC, THERE IS A PROVISION THAT GIVES AN ISO STANDARD FOR THE STRUCTURAL COMPONENTS OF A SHIPPING CONTAINER.
IF YOU'RE GOING TO DO THIS, YOU HAVE TO START WITH A SHIPPING CONTAINER IN ANY, ANY FORM OF A BUILDING.
UH, SO IT'S NOT JUST A HABITABLE RESIDENCE, BUT ANY FORM OF A BUILDING A STRUCTURE, IT HAS TO MEET THE ISO STANDARD, HAVE THE TAG IN IT, AND IT HAS TO BE PHYSICALLY VERIFIED.
SO THEY'VE REALLY ELIMINATED A NUMBER OF SHIPPING CONTAINERS BECAUSE IT HAS BEEN PROBLEMATIC.
UM, SO A LOT OF PEOPLE VIEW THAT AS THE BUILDING CODE GOING, YEAH, YOU CAN DO IT.
MY VIEW AFTER DOING THIS FOR SO LONG IS NO, THEY'RE SELECTIVELY ELIMINATING THE WORST COMPONENTS AND AT LEAST GIVING A BASELINE STARTING POINT.
UH, BUT, BUT THAT DOESN'T ADDRESS ANY OF THE OTHER HABITABILITY OR, UM, THERMAL ENVELOPE TYPE ISSUES THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE WITH THEM IF WE ALLOW THEM.
I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT, THAT, UM, THAT IN DEPTH ANALYSIS OF, OF THE PROBLEM.
AND WITH YOUR ANSWER, YOU'VE REMOVED EVERY QUESTION I HAVE, AND I APPRECIATE YOUR, UH, YOUR TIME.
MR. CHAIRMAN? UH, HE HAD A SECOND.
OH, YOU WANT ON THIS ISSUE? YES.
UM, I'D LIKE TO ASK TWO QUESTIONS.
THAT WAS A REALLY GOOD SYNOPSIS AND I DEFINITELY APPRECIATE IT.
UH, SO THE FIRST QUESTION IS LIABILITY.
SO IF THE COUNTY SIGNS A CO, WHAT IS THE LIABILITY THAT THE COUNTY THEN HAS? THAT'S THE FIRST ONE.
THEN THE SECOND ONE, UH, WE HAD A DISCUSSION AFTER THE LAST MEETING AROUND, UH, WHAT THEY DID IN WILMINGTON.
UH, CAN YOU REFRESH MY MEMORY ON HOW THEY WERE ABLE TO DO IT AND SOME OF THE HOOPS THAT THEY WENT THROUGH? AND I THINK IT WOULD BE, UM, A GOOD THING FOR THE REST OF THE COUNCIL HERE AS WELL.
SO THE QUESTION WAS ASKED ABOUT SOMETHING IN MAINE.
I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH THE WILMINGTON.
UM, CAN YOU DO IT? SOME PEOPLE HAVE DONE IT AND THEY DO SIGN IT.
WHAT IS THE LIABILITY? I, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE IS A LIABILITY BECAUSE OF AN ENGINEER SIGNS.
WOULD THEY HAVE SOME KIND OF A LIABILITY IF IT CAME BACK AND STARTED FALLING APART? I'M NOT REALLY SURE.
I'M NOT AN ATTORNEY, BUT I'M SURE THERE ARE STATUTE OF LIMITATIONS, UM, TO THOSE TYPES OF THINGS.
IF IT IS A GUESS, THEN IT WOULD KIND OF BE THEIR WORD AGAINST THE WORLD, I GUESS.
HUH? SO IN THE WORLD OF CONSTRUCTION LITIGATION, UM, THE, UM, COUNTIES AND THE STATE, THEY DON'T HAVE ANY, EXCUSE ME, LIABILITY.
UM, EVEN WHEN, EVEN WHEN CODES ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS SIGNED OFF ON INSPECTIONS AND, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S HADN'T BEEN DONE TO CODE, UM, AND LITIGATION ENSUES.
THERE'S NO LIABILITY FOR THE GOVERNMENTAL ENTITIES, UNFORTUNATELY, IN SOME CASES.
SO I GUESS FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, JUST KNOWING WHAT I KNOW, AND I'VE BEEN DOING THIS A LONG TIME, RIGHT? UM, AND WHEN I SAY DOING THIS, I'VE BEEN A CODE OFFICIAL FOR 19 YEARS AND I'VE BEEN IN CONSTRUCTION SINCE THE LATE EIGHTIES.
CONTRACTOR'S LICENSE A NUMBER OF CERTIFICATIONS.
I AM NOT AN ENGINEER, IT'S NOT MY PROFESSION, BUT TO ME THERE WOULD BE A MORAL LIABILITY.
UM, MR. FLUELLING, YOU HAD A SECOND QUESTION.
REGARDING ITEM NUMBER 25, UM, THAT'S THE LEAST, UM, PROTOCOL THAT WE WERE GONNA BE TALKING ABOUT MM-HMM.
I THINK IT'S UM, SECTION THREE C.
SECTION THREE C REGARDING LEASE RATES AND TYPE OF TENANT, UM, AND THE POTENTIAL DEDUCTION.
CAN WE TALK ABOUT LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER, WHY, WHY THERE'S A 25% LEASE DISCOUNT RATE FOR THEM? COUNCILMAN ING, THIS IS WHITNEY.
UM, I WORKED WITH BRITTANY ON THIS AND THE THOUGHT PROCESS BEHIND A DISCOUNTED RATE FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS WAS SIMPLY THAT THEIR PRESENCE AT SOME OF THESE LOCATIONS WAS CONSIDERED VALUE IN LIEU OF CASH PAYMENTS BECAUSE THEY ARE ABLE TO PROVIDE
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SOME STABILITY AND KEEP THEIR EYE ON THE AREAS IN WHICH THEY'RE LIVING.AND SOME OF THOSE ARE, UM, ON COUNTY PARCELS SUCH AS PASSIVE PARKS.
AND WE FELT LIKE THEIR PRESENCE THERE WAS SIMPLY WORTH SOME CONTRIBUTION.
UM, ALSO IF WE COULD TALK ABOUT NON-PROFIT CORPORATIONS.
I MEAN, IF THE, IF THE, IF THE ARGUMENT FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT'S PRESENCE IS THAT IT HAS A BENEFICIAL EFFECT FOR SECURITY OF THE PROPERTY, A VERY SIMILAR ARGUMENT COULD BE MADE REGARDING NON-PROFIT CORPORATION PRESENCE.
IN THAT THE VERY PEOPLE WHO ARE SERVED BY OTHER PARTS OF THE COUNTY, OTHER, OTHER DOMAINS I GUESS, OR UM, DIVISIONS WITHIN THE COUNTY, THEY ARE SERVED, UH, THEY ARE SERVING CITIZENS WHO ARE ALSO THE, THE SERVICE, UM, PROFILE FOR THE NONPROFIT CORPORATION THAT'S THAT PRESENT IN A COUNTY BUILDING.
SO WHY WOULD WE, WHY WOULD WE NOT SAY IT'S, IT'S IN FACT EATEN EVEN GREATER DISCOUNT WOULD BE NECESSARY FOR THAT? UM, I BELIEVE THAT THERE IS A PROVISION FOR UP TO 50% FOR NONPROFITS.
IS THAT NOT THE WAY THAT YOU'RE READING IT? YEAH, IT SAYS 50%.
I'M WONDERING WHY IT'S NOT 99%
UM, THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION FOR THE REST OF COUNCIL, I SUPPOSE, AS FAR AS THEIR APPETITE FOR DISCOUNT FOR THOSE TYPES OF SERVICES.
WELL, I'LL TALK ABOUT IT A LITTLE BIT THEN, MR. CHAIRMAN.
UH, WHEN THE TIME COMES, UM, DURING THE MEETING REGARDING, UM, DISCUSSION OF ITEM NUMBER 25, IF YOU'LL ALLOW ME SURE.
I, I'D BE HAPPY TO, UM, TO MAKE THE MOTION FOR THE, UH, FOR THE, FOR THE ENTIRE THING AND THEN OFFER A, OFFER AN AMENDMENT.
SO, UM, ONE OF THE REASONS WHY, UH, AS COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR YOU ALL SHOULD THINK ABOUT THAT, UH, BEFORE YOU GET TO THIS POINT IN THE AGENDA IS THAT YOU ALL NEED TO BE MINDFUL THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT A 330 MILLION PLUS FACILITIES MASTER PLAN TO TAKE CARE OF OUR OWN FACILITIES, UH, FOR OUR OWN STAFF.
AS OUR STAFF CONTINUES TO GROW, WE ARE HAVING TROUBLE NOW FINDING PLACES TO HOUSE THOSE STAFF MEMBERS.
I HAVE PEOPLE NOW WORKING FROM HOME, UH, REMOTELY AND IN DIFFERENT LOCATIONS CAUSE I DO NOT HAVE OFFICE SPACE TO PUT THEM.
SO IF WE'RE GONNA OFFER PREMIUM COUNTY OFFICE SPACE TO NONPROFITS THAT CAN OTHERWISE AFFORD TO GO OUT AND LEASE THEIR OWN BUILDINGS AND OFFICE SPACE AT MARKET RATE OR GET SOMEONE ELSE TO DO THAT, THEN UM, THAT CREATES A SHORTAGE OF OFFICE SPACE FOR OUR EXISTING COUNTY WORKFORCE THAT CONTINUES TO GROW, UH, AND WE'LL CONTINUE TO GROW IN THE FORESEEABLE FUTURE.
AND WITH THE GREEN SPACE BILL BEING PASSED, THAT IS GONNA REQUIRE ADDITIONAL STAFF BECAUSE IN ORDER TO MANAGE A HUNDRED MILLION DOLLARS IN 1 CENT SALES TAX MONEY, UH, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO ADD PEOPLE TO HELP MANAGE THAT.
SO THAT'S WHY I WOULD NOT SUPPORT A FURTHER REDUCTION THAN A 50%.
I DON'T THINK YOU ALL SHOULD LEASE ANY SPACE TO ANY NON-GOVERNMENTAL AGENCY INSIDE THE COUNTY FACILITIES AS THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR, BUT YOU ALL CAN MAKE THAT DECISION.
UH, ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? OKAY.
UM, JUST LIKE TO MAKE A NOTE THAT SINCE THE CAUCUS MEETING STARTED, TO MEMBERS WHO WERE CONSIDERED ABSENT HAVE NOW ARRIVED, THAT'S MR. GLOVER AND MR. LAWSON.
[EXECUTIVE SESSION]
MOTION TO GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION FOR THE PURPOSE ACCORDING TO SOUTH CAROLINA CODE 30 DASH FOUR DASH 70 A ONE FOR DISCUSSION OF EMPLOYMENT OF A PERSON REGULATED BY COUNTY.AND MR. HERON, I BELIEVE YOU WERE THE FIRST DULY, MOTIONED AND SECONDED.
IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? I SEE NONE.
UH, WE WILL GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION.
UNFORTUNATELY FOR OUR AUDIENCE, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO ASK YOU TO LEAVE BECAUSE THIS BUILDING DOES NOT HAVE ANY OTHER SPACE WHERE WE CAN CONDUCT THE EXECUTIVE SESSION AND IT WILL NOT BE THAT LONG.
THOSE OF YOU WHO WERE, UM, ASKED TO LEAVE AND THOSE OF YOU ARE COMING IN, WE HAVE, UH, HELD AN EXECUTIVE SESSION FOR AN ITEM AND THERE WILL BE ACTION TAKEN AT THE COUNCIL MEETING.
UH, IS THERE ANY FURTHER ITEMS TO COME BEFORE COUNSEL
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FOR THE CAUCUS MEETING? SEEING NONE, THE CAUCUS MEETING IS NOW ADJOURNED AND WE WILL COME BACK AT SIX O'CLOCK FOR THE REGULAR MEETING.