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YOU HAVE THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION SPECIAL MEETING.
TODAY IS MONDAY, OCTOBER 17TH, AND IT IS 6:00 PM WE, UH, HAVE A CALL TO ORDER AND A ROLL CALL PLEASE.
PRESENT VICE CHAIRMAN JESSE SOLOMON.
PRESENT COMMISSIONER JOSH SIMPSON.
SO WE'RE MISSING ONE GOODWIN, SO WE'RE MISSING TWO, BUT WE HAVE A QUO, CORRECT.
NOTICE REGARDING ADJOURNMENT, THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION WILL NOT HEAR NEW ITEMS AFTER NINE 30.
YOU MUST AUTHORIZED BY A MAJORITY VOTE OF THE COMMISSION MEMBERS PRESENT ITEMS WHICH HAVE NOT BEEN HEARD BEFORE.
NINE 30 MAY BE CONTINUED TO THE NEXT REGULAR MEETING OR SPECIAL MEETING DATE AS DETERMINED BY THE COMMISSION MEMBERS NOTICE REGARDING PUBLIC COMMENTS.
EVERY MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC WHO IS RECOGNIZED TO SPEAK SHALL ADDRESS THE CHAIRMAN.
IN SPEAKING, AVOID DISRESPECT WITH THE COMMISSION STAFF AND OTHER MEMBERS OF THE MEETING.
STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FROM SPEAKING FOR THE RECORD, COMMENTS ARE LIMITED TO THREE MINUTES.
AND, UH, FOR THOSE WHO HAVE COMMENTS PERTAINING TO THE AGENDA ITEMS BEFORE THE BOARD COMMISSION THIS EVENING, YOU'LL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO COMMENT BEFORE THE BOARD COMMISSION VOTES ON THE ITEM.
YOU'RE WELCOME TO HOLD YOUR COMMENTS UNTIL THEN AND VOICE YOUR COMMENTS AT THAT TIME.
AND IT LOOKS LIKE, UH, WE HAVE ONE.
WE HAD ONE INDIVIDUAL FOR COMMENTS, ADOPTION OF THE AGENDA.
CAN I GET A MOTION TO ADOPT THE AGENDA AS WRITTEN? I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO A ADOPT, ADOPT THE AGENDA WHEN YOU FIRST, SECOND.
ANY DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.
ADOPTION OF MINUTES FOR NOT ADOPTING ANY MINUTES.
UH, PUBLIC COMMENTS THAT ARE NOT ON THE AGENDA, CARRIE? NO PUBLIC COMMENTS.
SO WE'RE ONTO OUR MEETING AND IT'S THE OLD BUSINESS AND I BELIEVE GLEN, OR IS IT A KEVIN? KEVIN? UH, YES, SIR.
UM, COUNCIL MEMBERS, UM, COMMISSIONERS, EXCUSE ME.
UH, KEVIN IKER, DIRECTOR OF GRANT MANAGEMENT.
I'M JUST GOING, UH, STAND UP JUST BRIEFLY TO, UH, KIND OF, UH, SET THE TONE, UH, FOR THIS EVENING.
JUST TO REMIND YOU, UH, WHY WE'RE HERE THIS EVENING.
UH, THIS IS A SPECIAL MEETING.
I THINK THERE WERE SOME CONCERNS THE PREVIOUS MEETING AND UNFORTUNATELY I COULD NOT ATTEND.
UM, JUST WANTED TO REMIND YOU, AND GLEN IS GONNA PROVIDE A LITTLE BIT MORE, UH, IN DEPTH, UH, REVIEW OF THIS.
BUT, UH, THIS EVENING WE'RE HERE FOR THE CERTIFICATE OF PREPNESS FOR, UM, THE, THE FINAL PRODUCT OF THE JRA TO WAREHOUSE FUTURE, UM, BLUFFTON GO HERITAGE, UH, MUSEUM.
SO, UH, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT, UM, EVERYONE UNDERSTANDS THAT AS WE'RE GOING THROUGH THIS PROCESS, BACK IN FEBRUARY, UH, YOU GUYS, UM, APPROVED THE RELOCATION OF THE STRUCTURE.
UM, SO IN THAT PURVIEW, UM, THE STRUCTURE IS BEING MOVED.
THE ACTUAL PROCESS OF HOW THAT WAS GONNA HAPPEN, UM, WAS NOT PART OF THAT PURVIEW.
SO THIS EVENING, THE FOCUS IS ON WHAT IS THAT FINAL PRODUCT? THE FINAL PRODUCT, AND THEN USING THE REVIEW CRITERIA THAT YOU HAVE IN THE STAFF REPORT THAT'S, UH, PROVIDED AT THE PREVIOUS MEETING AS WELL AS AT THIS MEETING.
UM, SO AS YOU'RE GOING THROUGH THAT, THAT MINDSET, UM, AND AS YOU'RE REVIEWING IT, DISCUSSING IT AMONGST YOURSELVES, UM, THAT YOU REMEMBER THAT YOU'RE USING THE REVIEW, REVIEW CRITERIA, UM, TO BASE YOUR DECISION ON THAT.
SO, UH, WITH THAT, I'M GONNA LET GLENN, UM, COME UP, DO HIS PRESENTATION, AND THEN, UH, BE ABLE TO ASSIST IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS.
BEFORE WE GET STARTED, I DO WANT TO POINT OUT, UM, ONE OF OUR COMMISSIONERS, CARRIE SULTRA, WAS NOT HERE AT THE LAST MEETING, UM, BUT SHE'S HERE NOW.
SHE'S REVIEWED ALL THE MATERIALS FROM THE LAST MEETING, INCLUDING TODAY'S STAFF REPORT, AND SHE'S UP TO SPEED.
JEREMY, COULD YOU STATE THAT? UH, I, I APOLOGIZE.
WE HAD JUST GOT BACK FROM OUT OF THE COUNTRY AND I MISSED LAST MEETING, BUT I DID WATCH THE LAST, UH, THE VIDEO OF THE LAST MEETING AND READ EVERYTHING IN IT.
ALL RIGHT, SO TONIGHT THIS IS PART TWO, UM, OF A TWO PART SERIES, LOOKING AT 1255 MAY RIVER ROAD.
UM, JUST TO REMIND YOU, WE'RE SPEAKING ABOUT 1255 MAY RIVER ROAD, THE CONTRIBUTING RESOURCE, CURRENTLY KNOWN AS THE DEAR TONGUE WAREHOUSE.
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HERE'S THE ZONING AND LOCATION MAPS, UM, CURRENT CONDITIONS.THIS WAS AS OF OCTOBER 3RD OF PROPERTY.
UM, TO TAKE YOU ON A LITTLE BIT OF A REVIEW OF WHAT HAPPENED PREVIOUSLY, UM, FEBRUARY 2ND, I STOOD HERE AT THE PODIUM AND PRESENTED A COFA APPLICATION, UH, FOR A DEMOLITION TO ALLOW THE DEMOLITION OF FOUR NON-CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES ON THE PROPERTY, UM, ALONG WITH A PARTIAL DEMOLITION OF THE CONTRIBUTING RESOURCE, UM, KNOWN AS THE TRON WAREHOUSE, UM, AND THE RELOCATION OF THE REMAINING STRUCTURE TO THE WESTERN END OF THE PROPERTY.
UM, AT THAT MEETING, HPC APPROVED THE COFA WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS.
UM, ONE, UM, THAT ONLY THE NON HISTORIC PORTION OF THE CONTRIBUTING RESOURCE BUILDING WAS TO BE DEMOLISHED.
UM, THAT'S THE NORTHERN PART, UM, WHICH HAD BEEN RECENTLY USED AS THE KITCHEN.
UM, AND THEN FURTHERMORE, THE H B C DETERMINED THAT THE 1945 ERA, UM, HISTORIC CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE BE RELOCATED TO THE WESTERN SIDE OF THE PROPERTY SUBJECT THAT WOULD BE LOCATED PARALLEL TO MAY RIVER ROAD AND CITED AT LEAST 10 FEET FROM THE SIDE PROPERTY LINE.
UM, THE ITEM IN GRAY, I'VE INTENTIONALLY LEFT OUT THAT JUST DEALS WITH THE, UM, DEMOLITION OF THE NON-CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES OUT ON THE PROPERTY.
SO THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED IN FEBRUARY.
UM, TO GIVE YOU SOME VISUALS, UM, THE PARTIAL DEMOLITION OF THE DEER TRON WAREHOUSE WAS THE REMOVAL THAT NORTHERN PORTION, UM, OUTLINED WITH A RED LINE IS.
AND THIS SCHEMATIC GIVES YOU AN IDEA OF THE RELOCATION, PART OF THE, THE COFA, UM, FROM SOLID BLUE ON THE RIGHT TO THE DOTTED LINE, BLUE ON THE LEFT.
JUMPING FORWARD OCTOBER 5TH, WE PRESENTED, UH, AN APPLICATION, THE CURRENT APPLICATION, UM, TO ALLOW THE REASSEMBLY AND REHABILITATION OF THE DEER TOWN WAREHOUSE WITH THE EXISTING 378 SQUARE FOOT FRONT PORCH.
AND THE CONSTRUCTION OF A NEW REAR ADDITION OF APPROXIMATELY 348 SQUARE FEET, UM, TO THE STRUCTURED NOW LOCATED AT 1255 METER RIVER ROAD MIGHT BE HELPFUL EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE TO DO A REVIEW.
WHEN WE TALK ABOUT REHABILITATION, IT'S NOT JUST A WORD I MADE UP, UM, THE SECRETARY OF INTERIOR HAS DE DEVISED THIS FOLLOWING DEFINITION.
REHABILITATION IS THE ACTOR PROCESS OF MAKING POSSIBLE A COMPATIBLE USE FOR A PROPERTY THROUGH REPAIR, ALTERATIONS OR ADDITIONS, WHILE PRESERVING THOSE PORTIONS OR FEATURES WHICH CONVEY ITS HISTORICAL, CULTURAL, OR ARCHITECTURAL VALUES.
THE CURRENT APPLICATION IS TO, UM, REHABILITATE THE DEER TRUNK WAREHOUSE.
I GAVE YOU A HISTORIC PHOTOGRAPH FROM THE LEFT, UM, AND I GAVE YOU SOME ELEVATIONS ON THE RIGHT.
YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE TOP RIGHT, WHICH IS THE FRONT ELEVATION, UM, THE PROPOSED FRONT ELEVATION, AND THEN BELOW THAT IS THE REAR ELEVATION SHOWING THAT ADDITION.
THAT'S PROPOSED, PROPOSED SIDE ELEVATIONS.
UM, I'M GIVING YOU A COMPARISON FROM WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE NOW TO WHAT THE PROPOSED WILL LOOK LIKE, UM, ON THE TOP LEFT, UM, WHICH IS CURRENTLY THE EASTERN ELEVATION.
UM, AND THEN HAS, IS DRAWN OUT FOR PROPOSED AND CONVERSELY, THE WESTERN ELEVATION ON THE OTHER SIDE WITH THE PROPOSED BELOW THAT THE HVC ACTION.
TONIGHT, YOU'RE TO CONSIDER THE EIGHT REVIEW CRITERIA SET FORTH IN THE UDO SECTION 3 18 3 WHEN ASSESSING AN APPLICATION'S FIRST NEGOTIATOR APPROPRIATENESS.
FURTHERMORE, YOU'RE AUTHORIZED TO TAKE THE FOLLOWING ACTIONS.
YOU CAN APPLY, YOU CAN APPROVE THE APPLICATION AS SUBMITTED.
YOU CAN APPROVE THE APPLICATION WITH CONDITIONS, OR YOU MAY DENY THE APPLICATION AS SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT.
IN THE STAFF REPORT, I'VE GIVEN YOU A LOT OF PAGES OF VARIOUS, UM, CRITERIA AND EVALUATIONS.
I'VE HIGHLIGHTED THESE, UM, SIX, WHICH YOU NEED TO CONCENTRATE ON THIS EVENING.
UM, THE FIRST ONE IS ANY MATERIALS WHICH REQUIRE REPLACEMENT WILL BE IDENTIFIED IN THE BUILDING PERMIT DRAWINGS FOR COMPLIANCE.
THAT'S UNDER SECTION 3 18 3 A, UM, ALSO UNDER 3 18 3 A.
UM, ACTUALLY THAT'S THE ONLY THING FOR 3 18 3 A THAT I WANT TO, UM, MENTION.
UM, ADDITIONAL INFORMATION PROVIDED BY THE FOR MATERIALS FOR RAILINGS AND BALL STRAITS, REAR DOORS AND SOFFIT.
THESE WERE MATERIALS THAT WERE NOT SPECIFIED IN THE DOCUMENTS WE'RE ASKING FOR, UM, APPROVAL OR, UM, FURTHER INFORMATION.
UM, THE, THE APPLICANT HAS SINCE SPECIFIED THAT THE RAILINGS WERE GONNA BE POWDER CUT AT ALUMINUM.
YOU HEARD THAT MATERIAL MENTIONED IN THE PREVIOUS, UH,
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TWO COS THAT WE SAW LAST TIME FOR THE OTHER TWO BUILDINGS ON THE PROPERTY.UM, THEY'RE JUST ASKING FOR THE SAME MATERIAL TO BE USED HERE.
THAT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU WILL HAVE TO DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT IT'S APPROPRIATE DEVIATION FOR THAT MATERIAL.
UM, REAR DOORS IN SOFFIT, UM, UNDER 5 15 6 K, THE FENCE HEIGHT NEEDS TO BE REDUCED.
UM, AND THEN AS WITH THE OTHER TWO COS THAT YOU HEARD RELATED TO THIS PROJECT, UM, ALL CONDITIONS FOR THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN WILL NEED TO BE ADDRESSED.
UH, THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN WILL BE NEED TO BE REVIEWED.
THE SUBDIVISION MUST BE APPROVED AND RECORDED, AND ANY PROPOSED FUTURE SIGNAGE WILL REQUIRE A SEPARATE, UM, SITE FEATURE, HD, UH, APPLICATION.
UM, I'VE INCLUDED AND READ THOSE THINGS THAT THE APPLICANTS SAID THEY WILL ALREADY COMPLY WITH.
HOWEVER, SINCE THE UP, SINCE THERE'S BEEN NO UPDATED DRAWINGS, UM, SHOULD YOU APPROVE THIS APPLICATION, YOU'RE GONNA NEED TO SPECIFY THAT THOSE CONDITIONS ALSO BEING MET.
ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE AT THIS MOMENT? ANY QUESTIONS, ANY OF THE BOARD MEMBERS? NO.
I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE'S PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS PROJECT.
UH, IT LOOKS LIKE WE DO HAVE ONE PUBLIC COMMENT.
IS THAT CORRECT? AND, UH, IF YOU COULD, UH, COME STATE YOUR NAME AND LIMIT YOUR DISCUSSION TO THREE MINUTES AND ALSO ONLY ONE PERSON AT THE PODIUM AT A TIME.
UM, A FEW VERIFIABLE COMMENTS AND QUESTIONS.
CRANSTON ENGINEERING WROTE, IT IS OUR UNDERSTANDING THAT THE INTENT IS TO LIFT AND RELOCATE THE BUILDING ON THE SAME PROPERTY.
WE DO NOT FORESEE ANY UNUSUAL OR INORDINATE RISK TO ACHIEVING THIS GOAL.
HPC APPROVED RELOCATION AND REHABILITATION.
APPLICANTS SUBMITTED RELOCATION, RENOVATION AND ADDITION.
ANOTHER APPLICATION WAS SUBMITTED FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION, REHABILITATION OR RENOVATION.
ADDITION, RELOCATION OR DEMOLITION.
NINE FIVE HPC APPROVES RELOCATION AND RECONSTRUCTION ON PEERS OF A STRUCTURALLY UNSOUND JOIN UP BUILDING TEN FIVE HPC DENIED RELOCATION AND RECONSTRUCTION OF DEER.
10 11 PLUS AND 10 COUNCIL PASSED AND ADOPTED THE PUBLIC ART POLICY AND TONIGHT WE'RE MEETING FOR REASSEMBLY AND REHABILITATION.
SO WHAT DO THE PLAYERS ACTUALLY WANT? HAVE THEY BEEN INFLUENCED BY THE STRUCTURALLY UNAM? JOIN THE APPLICATION AND DECISION THAT YOU MADE.
UH, TERRY SLE ON THE NEW ART POLICY SAYS PEOPLE THAT ARE COMING IN MAY NOT NECESSARILY UNDERSTAND THE HISTORY OF THE COMMUNITY.
AND WHAT IT MAKES TO BE GREAT IS ARCHITECTURE, ART.
WE ARE DEMOLISHING, SYMPATHETICALLY, DISMANTLING, OR REASSEMBLING.
A PIECE OF HISTORY THAT IS AN ART FORM IN BLUFFTON IN 1945.
THE DEAR TONGUE WAREHOUSE IS A CRAFTSMAN CREATION TO STORE FRAGRANT.
DEAR TONGUE LEAVES TO BE SHIPPED TO PERFUMERIES.
WE ARE USING ATEX ALICES TO BUY NEW ART FORMS AND DEMOLISHING OR DISMANTLING OUR HISTORICAL ART FORMS. WHAT IS A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE? IS IT A BUILDING THAT WAS CONSTRUCTED MORE THAN 50 YEARS AGO THAT RETAINS THE ORIGINAL STYLE AND ARCHITECTURAL QUALITIES THAT CONTRIBUTE TO THE HISTORIC CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD? PRECEDENT.
GRAVES HOUSE STRUCTURALLY SOUND RELOCATED TO PIERCE.
JOIN A HOUSE STRUCTURALLY UNSOUND RECONSTRUCTION TO PRO TO PIERCE.
DEAR TONGUE, WAREHOUSE STRUCTURALLY SOUND RELOCATED TO MAY RIVER ROAD.
THE DOCTOR'S OFFICE STRUCTURALLY UNS SALEM DISMANTLED, REBUILT TO LOOK NOTHING LIKE IT WAS.
JUNE, 2020 HPC GOES AGAINST TAN RECOMMENDATION TO DENY APPLICATION OF THE BRIDGE CENTER TO THE OWNER.
MR. WARD WHO'S HERE, PLEASE DO THE CORRECT THING AND FOLLOW THROUGH WITH YOUR ORIGINAL INTENTION FOUND IN THE JANUARY 6TH ENGINEERING REPORT TO HTC.
MAKE AN INFORMED DECISION FOR THE COMMUNITY.
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I GUESS WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR IS, DOES ANYONE HAVE DISCUSSION IN REGARDS TO THIS PROJECT IN GLEN? UH, DO WE HAVE THE APPLICANT? THE APPLICANT? SORRY.IF THE APPLICANT WANTS TO COME AND TALK AGAIN, ONE PERSON AT A TIME TO THE PODIUM.
HELLO, AMANDA DENMARK WITH PIERCE SCOTT ARCHITECTS.
UM, I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF BACK AND FORTH AND CONCERNS ABOUT STRUCTURAL AND I DON'T KNOW IF, UM, JAKE, UH, UM, EDSON WITH KRAN ENGINEERING EMAILED YOU ANYTHING.
BUT HE EMAILED US THIS MORNING A LETTER AND I CAN LET YOU GUYS HAVE THIS TALKING ABOUT, CAN READ THE OTHER, WHO IS JAKE? SO HE IS THE STRUCTURAL ENGINEER THAT DID THE FIRST ASSESSMENT REPORT.
THE, THE ONE THAT ONE ONE KEEPS MENTIONING.
UM, AND HE SAYS THAT YOUR REQUEST WOULD REVIEW THE STRUCTURAL CONDITIONS ASSESSMENT AND CODE STUDY REPORT PREPARED BY OUR OFFICERS SUBJECT BUILDING DATA JANUARY 6TH, 2022, AS WELL AS THE CURRENTLY PROPOSED PLANS AND DESIGNS UNDER CONSIDERATION.
WHILE THERE'S A GREAT GREATER CLARITY PROVIDED IN THE PROPOSED END USAGE OF THIS BUILDING AND OTHER FACTORS MAY NOW BE PRESENT, THE CONCLUSIONS IN OUR PROFESSIONAL OPINIONS STATED IN THE REPORT REMAIN UNCHANGED.
TWO POINTS OF CLARIFICATION WITH REGARD TO THE ORIGINAL REPORT MAY, HOWEVER BE USED FIRST.
ALL WORK PERFORMED BY THIS FIRM AND ASSOCIATE OPINION TO CONCLUSIONS ARE STRICT, STRICTLY LIMITED TO A CONSIDERATION OF THE STRUCTURE.
IT IS BEYOND OUR SCOPE AND EXPERTISE TO EVALUATE OR CONSIDER ANY LIFE SAFETY OR CODE SPECIFICATION REQUIREMENTS SUCH AS ACCESSIBILITY, EGRESS, FIRE PROTECTION, ELECTRICAL, MECHANICAL, PLUMBING AND ENERGY, OR OTHER REQUIREMENTS.
SECOND, OUR OPINION IS BASED ON WHAT WE INTERPRET THE APPLICABLE BUILDING CODES TO REQUIRE FOR THE STRUCTURE OF THE SITUATION.
HOWEVER, INTERNATIONAL EXISTING BUILDING CODE 2018 SECTION 1 2 0 1 0.5 ALLOWS THE CODE OFFICIAL TO ULTIMATELY DETERMINE IF ANY UNSAFE CONDITIONS EXIST.
AND IF SO, THEY MUST BE RE REMEDIED.
OUR OFFICE HAS NOT RECEIVED ANY OFFICIAL DETERMINATIONS REGARDING THIS PROPERTY, THEREFORE, ANY FUTURE DECISIONS HAVE NOT BEEN CONSIDERED IN OUR OPINION.
THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING US TO PROVIDE CONTINUOUS ASSISTANCE FOR YOUR ENGINEERING NEEDS.
PLEASE LET ME KNOW IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS CONCERNING THIS LETTER.
SO IT'S STATING THE SAME KIND OF THING, LIKE WHAT WE WERE TRYING TO EXPLAIN THE LAST TIME IS THAT THIS WAS A STRUCTURAL REPORT OF YES, IF THE BUILDING, IT WOULD BE PICKED UP AND MOVED, BUT THEN AFTER THAT HAPPENS, CAN IT BE USED FOR THIS COMMERCIAL USE? BECAUSE WE HAVE TO THEN BRING IT UP TO CODE AND IN ORDER TO BRING IT UP TO CODE, THERE ARE OTHER PARTS AND PIECES THAT GO ALONG WITH THAT.
AND YOU WOULD, FOR THIS PARTICULAR ONE, WE WOULD HAVE TO REBUILD A FRAMEWORK TO TAKE PIECES OFF TO BE ABLE TO WATERPROOF AND PUT THINGS BACK ON.
UM, I'LL JUST KINDA GO DOWN A LIST OF, UM, AND RECONSTRUCTING THE STRUCTURE AND MOVING THE STRUCTURE.
SO BOTH WOULD NEED A FOUNDATION.
THE PORCH WOULD HAVE TO BE REBUILT ANYWAY.
IT WAS IN ONE OF THE EARLIER STAFF REPORTS, UH, FROM CONCEPTUAL, I THINK REVIEW THE ROOF WOULD REQUIRE SOME ADDITIONAL STRAPPING, UH, COLLAR TIES FOR STABILITY.
THEY BOTH WOULD NEED NEW WINDOWS AND DOORS.
BOTH REMOVE THE METAL SIDING AND THE FLASHING THE WINDOW DOOR FOR FLASHING FOR THE VAPOR BARRIER IN FOR INSULATION, IT SPOKE THE SAME THING.
YOU'D NEED HURRICANE TIE DOWNS.
YOU'D NEED NEW MECHANICAL, NEW COMING, NEW ELECTRICALS.
SO ALL OF IT'S THE SAME EXCEPT FOR NOW, INSTEAD OF JUST, IF WE PICKED IT UP AND MOVED IT, WE'D HAVE TO TAKE THIS ALL APART TO THEN PUT IT BACK TOGETHER.
AND SO I THINK THAT'S WHERE THE CONFUSION IS OF WITH THE STRUCTURAL IS.
YES, IT'S A BUILDING THAT YOU KNOW, SURE IT'S STANDING UP AND IT CAN BE MOVED, BUT IN ORDER TO BRING IT UP TO CODE, BE CODE-COMPLIANT, THERE ARE OTHER THINGSS AND OTHER FACTORS THAT HAVE TO HAPPEN.
WE ALSO, UM, ON ADVISEMENT OF STAFF, UM, FROM THE CONCEPTUAL MEETING HAVE, UM, HIRED A FIRM REPURPOSED SAVANNAH AND THEY SPECIFICALLY DECONSTRUCT, UM, OLD HISTORIC BUILDINGS.
THEY CATALOG AND SURVEY THEM ON AND AND PHOTOGRAPH THEM.
SO I HAVE KATIE WITH REPURPOSED SAVANNAH.
UM, SHE COULD COME UP HERE AND KIND OF EXPLAIN THAT PROCESS.
YOU CAN UNDERSTAND WHAT THE SYMPATHETIC DISMANTLING WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS.
SO, KATIE, COULD YOU COME UP? CAN I ASK A QUICK QUESTION? SURE.
SO OTHER THAN BEING PROBABLY MORE COST EFFECTIVE TO DISMANTLING, REBUILD IT, IT COULD BE PICKED UP, MOVED AND BROUGHT UP TO CODE.
IT COULD BE PICKED UP, MOVED AND THEN BROUGHT UP TO CAR
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AND PUT BACK TOGETHER.SO WHY WOULD YOU HAVE TO TAKE, CAN'T YOU JUST BUILD THE ADD WALLS, PUT THE INSULATION IN, DOCTOR, DOCTOR GONNA CHANGE THE DOORS AND WINDOWS ANYWAY, ADD STRAPPING AND ADD TO IT.
SO WE HAVE TO TAKE ALL THE PANELS AND EVERYTHING OFF OF IT.
RIGHT? SO YOU HAVE TO, YOU'RE TAKING IT APART.
SO WHY WOULD YOU MOVE IT AND TAKE IT APART VERSUS TAKE IT APART AND PUT IT BACK TOGETHER? YOU'RE PUTTING IT BACK TOGETHER ANYWAY.
WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS YOU'RE REMOVING, BUT IF COULD BE PART OF IT, EVEN IF YOU DID MOVE IT IN THE WHOLE BUILDING, YOU'RE STILL REMOVING A NUMBER OF THE COMPONENTS ONCE IT'S MOVED.
BUT THEN WHAT'S THE AND TWO AND CODE, I GUESS WE HAVE LUMBER.
WE DON'T KNOW THAT WE CAN STRAP THIS OLD AND YOU ADD YOU FUR IT AFTER REFER UP.
SO, WHICH MEANS YOU'RE ADDING COST ALL NEW.
WELL, I'M NOT WORRIED ABOUT THAT.
THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE MATERIALS AND HOW THIS IS GONNA BE PUT BACK TOGETHER.
SO YOU WOULD BE REMOVING, BUT YOU WOULD BE A LOT, BUT YOU'D STILL BE KEEPING THE INTEGRITY OF THE ORIGINAL BUILDING AS YOU PICK IT UP AND MOVE IT.
AND THEN YOU'D TAKE, TAKE THE UH, DRYWALL OFF, DOCTOR IT UP, PUT THE INSULATION IN AND PUT IT BACK ON.
BUT YOU'D HAVE TO REMOVE THE EXTERIOR TOO.
YEAH, YOU HAVE TO, YOU DRY IT IN, RIGHT? YOU CAN'T, YOU CAN'T JUST BUILD NEW WALLS INSIDE.
SO YOU'D HAVE TO LITERALLY TAKE OFF EVERYTHING OFF OF THE EXTERIOR PERIMETER TO BE ABLE TO WATERPROOF IT, FLASH IT, PUT INSULATION IN IT, PUT HURRICANES CUZ THEY HAVE TO TIE DOWN FROM THE ROOF TO THE GROUND OR TO THE FOUNDATION.
SO THERE'S JUST A LOT THAT HAS TO BE DONE.
SO WE'RE TRYING TO TAKE OUT AN EXTRA STEP OF HAVING TO, IF WE'RE TAKING IT APART ANYWAY, WHY CAN'T WE TAKE IT APART AND MOVE IT? SO IT'S JUST THE METHOD VERSUS, AND IT'S GONNA LOOK AT THE EXACT, IT'S THE SAME THING, IT'S THE SAME FOOTPRINT, IT'S THE SAME EXTERIOR, IT'S THE SAME HEIGHT, IT'S THE SAME VOLUME.
I MEAN IT'S, EVERYTHING'S THE SAME.
THE PORSCHE, THE SPACING, THE COLUMN, ALL OF IT'S THE SAME.
BUT I WOULD LIKE YOU TO LISTEN TO SHE, THEIR COMPANY IS FABULOUS WITH THE THINGS THAT THEY DO AND HOW THEY TAKE GREAT PRIDE, CARE AND MATERIALS AND DEALING WITH HISTORIC STRUCTURES.
AND UM, KATE, IF YOU COULD STEP BACK, HI, AND STATE YOUR NAME AND MY NAME IS KATIE FITSU.
I'M THE DIRECTOR OF DECONSTRUCTION FOR REPURPOSE SAVANNAH.
SO, UH, AS AMANDA SAID, WE DO FOCUS IN DECONSTRUCTION OF HISTORIC STRUCTURES.
WE'VE BEEN A PART OF NUMEROUS PROJECTS IN THE CITY OF SAVANNAH.
UM, I'VE PERSONALLY WORKED ON ABOUT 15.
WE'VE DONE SELECTIVE DECONSTRUCTION, WHICH IS JUST TAKING OUT, YOU KNOW, ADDITIONS, BUT LEAVING THE HISTORIC STRUCTURE.
WE HAVE DONE ENTIRE STRUCTURAL REMOVAL, BUT WE DO FOCUS IN, UH, WHILE YOU'RE SOMETIMES LOSING THE ABILITY TO PHYSICALLY INTERACT WITH A HISTORIC STRUCTURE.
THE PROCESS OF WHICH WE GO ABOUT THIS IS DOCUMENTATION, DOCUMENTATION, DOCUMENTATION.
SO, UH, ON THE JOBS THAT I DO IN SAVANNAH, I DO PARTNER WITH A COMPANY CALLED SHAMROCK DRONES.
WE 3D SCAN EVERY RESTRUCTURE, UH, BEFORE ANY WORK BEGINS.
WE USE 3D SCAN IT DURING THE PROJECT AND THEN, YOU KNOW, YOU SEE THE, THE ULTIMATE RESULT WHEN IT'S FINISHED.
UH, IT SOUNDS LIKE THIS PROJECT NEEDS A LOT OF DOCUMENTATION, A PART OF IT.
SO WE DO IT VERY CAREFULLY, VERY SLOWLY AND IN LIEU OF TRADITIONAL DEMOLITION WHERE YOU JUST BULLDOZE IT, CRUSH IT UP, AND YOU LOSE THE MAJORITY OF THE HISTORY AND ALL OF THE MATERIALS, THE PHYSICAL MATERIALS, WE SALVAGE THEM AND OR SAVE THEM NICELY OFF FOR REUSE IN POTENTIAL OTHER PROJECTS.
SO AS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS PROJECT, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT REASSEMBLY IN REHABILITATION.
UM, WHEN YOU'RE DOING THIS, AS WE WERE AS AMANDA JUST STATED, UH, WHEN YOU'RE COMPLETING THIS PROJECT AND IT'S DONE, WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN WHEN I WALK TO THAT BUILDING AND SEE IT? AM I GOING TO HAVE A SENSE THAT IT'S THE SAME BUILDING? IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE, UH, STRIVING FOR? WELL, SO MY PART OF THIS PROJECT IS DECONSTRUCTION, UH, ONE AT A TIME, OH, EXCUSE ME, IS DECONSTRUCTION.
SO WHILE I WILL GO IN AND TAKE PHOTOS OF THE EXTERIOR, CORRECT? RIGHT.
UH, THE PANELING I WILL MARK ON MY CAMERA OR MY PHOTO, EXCUSE ME.
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A, B, C, D, E, F G.SO WHEN IT GOES TO BE RE ATTACHED, SO ALL THE PANELS, IT'LL BE PERFECTLY PRESERVED.
SO ESSENTIALLY WHAT WE'RE DOING, EXCUSE ME, WE ARE UNBUILDING THE PANELS.
SO JUST IN THIS AREA, UH, SO THAT THEY CAN BE USED IN THE EXACT SAME ORDER THAT THEY WERE DECONSTRUCTED.
JUST CURIOUSLY, ARE THEY DOING THIS TYPE OF PROCESS IN SAVANNAH? YES.
UH, I ACTUALLY JUST DID A JOB WHERE WE TOOK IT TOOK A STRUCTURE APART AND THEN IT IS BEING MOVED.
IT IS EXTENSIVELY MARKED, NOTED.
EVERY CHOICE WILL GO BACK IN, YOU KNOW, PART SCISSORED WITH THE EXACT CHOICE THAT CAME OUT FROM, IT'LL BE MOVED AND RECONSTRUCTED AND UTILIZED.
SO WHILE WE ARE TAKING IT OUT OF ITS ORIGINAL CONTEXT, YOU'RE NOT LOSING THE STARKVILLE INTEGRITY OR LIKE THE HISTORICAL INTEGRITY BECAUSE IT IS GOING TO GO LIVE ON IN A NEW LOCATION.
BUT LIKE I SAID, I MEAN ESSENTIALLY DECONSTRUCT OR UNBUILDING IT TO REBUILD.
SO THIS IS SOMETHING THAT CITY OF SAVANNAH DOES.
THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO HAS RECENTLY HIRED ME TO GO AND TRAIN 50 CONTRACTORS, UH, IN THE ART REFORM OF DECONSTRUCTION BECAUSE THEY JUST PASS AN ORDINANCE THERE.
SO I LEAVE ON SATURDAY TO TRAIN QUITE A FEW PEOPLE.
SO DOES ANYONE WHO, HOW, HOW DO YOU DETERMINE WHEN YOU DECONSTRUCT? ARE YOU, DO YOU RECONSTRUCT IT AS WELL? I DON'T DO THE DE OR THE RECONSTRUCTION THAT IS OUTSIDE OF MY PAY GRADE, BUT I DO DECONSTRUCTION, SO OKAY.
PEOPLE HIRE ME IN BLUE OF DEMOLITION.
OR IF YOU NEED SELECTIVE, UH, SLOW, YOU KNOW, LOVING WORK DONE SO YOU CAN REUSE THOSE MATERIALS.
SO I MEAN, SO YOU'RE PROVIDING THE FOOTPRINT FOR THE CONTRACTOR TO REPLACE THE MATERIAL BACK.
IS THAT CORRECT? OR ARE YOU ACTUALLY DOING IT? I MEAN HELP, I'M, I'M NOT A PART OF THE REBUILDING PROCESS.
SHE HAS JUST MERELY RECONSTRUCTING THE BUILDING.
SHORELINE CONSTRUCTION ARE THE BUILDERS AND WE'LL BE PUTTING IT BACK ACCORDING TO HER PLAN.
SO SHE'S GIVING THEM THE GUIDELINES ON WHAT THEY HAVE, HOW TO YES.
SHE'S GIVING THEM ALL OF THE DOCUMENTATION THAT IF WE TO PUT IT ALL BACK TOGETHER.
HOW DO YOU, HOW DO YOU DETERMINE IF PORTIONS OR PIECES ARE REUSABLE OR NOT? ABSOLUTELY.
SO USUALLY WHEN I DETERMINE THAT, UH, IF IT IS DRY ROTTED OUT AND IT LIST CRUMBLES IN YOUR HAND, PROBABLY NOT GONNA REUSE THAT ONE.
IF YOU VISUALLY SEE TERMITE DAMAGE, ALSO YOU PROBABLY WOULDN'T WANT TO USE THAT AS WELL, UH, THROUGH THE PROCESS OF DECONSTRUCTING OTHER PO OF OTHER STRUCTURES.
LIKE IN THE CITY OF SAVANNAH, WE HAVE A LARGE SCALE LUMBER YARD WHERE YOU CAN REPLACE THOSE LOST MATERIALS WITH LIKE MATERIALS.
SO IF YOU'RE RESTORING A VICTORIAN HOUSE AND YOU NEED AN 1880 ERA ANTI HEART PINE TWO BY FOUR, YOU CAN'T GO TO HOME DEPOT AND JUST BUY THAT.
SO YOU NEED TO SOURCE THAT LIKE MATERIAL.
AND THAT IS WHAT WE AS REPURPOSE SAVANNAH AND DECONSTRUCTION AND PARTNERSHIP WITH OUR LUMBER YARD CAN PROVIDE COMMUNITIES.
SO IF THERE'S PANELS OR SOMETHING MISSING THAT HAS TO BE REPLACED, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO PURCHASE SOMETHING THAT'S SHINY AND BRIGHT BUT YOU'RE ACTUALLY LOOKING FOR SOMETHING IN THAT SAME ERA.
SO THAT'S INSIDE MY PURVIEW ON THIS PROJECT.
UM, WE WILL GO THROUGH THE DOCUMENTATION AND WE WILL DENOTE WHAT WE WILL NOTE WHAT IS LOST DUE TO TERMITE DAMAGE OR TO DRY ROUTE OR WHATEVER.
SO IT'S JUST A PART OF MY OVERALL PROCESS.
WE DO IT FOR EVERY SINGLE JOB, MARK OUT WHAT WE LOSE.
AND UM, UM, ARE THE CONDITIONS FOR THE DEER TONGUE WAREHOUSE COMPARABLE TO CONDITIONS OF HO PROJECTS YOU'VE WORKED ON IN SAVANNAH? I'VE WORKED ON DEER BUILDS ALL THE WAY DOWN TO 1850S NATIONAL, UH, REGISTRAR STRUCTURE.
SO THAT'S A VERY ODD QUESTION FOR ME TO ANSWER.
ANY OTHER DISCUSSION POINTS FOR HER? THANK YOU.
HEY, CONGRATULATIONS ON TEACHING MORE PEOPLE HOW TO DO THIS.
MY CREW IS ALL FEMALES AND SO NOW I'M GONNA GO TRAIN 50 GUYS.
AMANDA, DO YOU HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL, UM, AND AS FAR AS YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT WITH THE METAL HANDLES, WE'RE GONNA TRY AND USE AS MUCH STUFF THAT'S ALREADY ON SITE CAUSE THERE'S ALREADY LIKE SEVERAL BUILDINGS THERE AND THERE'S METAL AND THERE'S WOOD AND THERE'S DIFFERENT THINGS.
SO WE'RE GONNA TRY AND REUSE IF WE NEED TO FILL.
AND LET'S TALK ABOUT THAT YOU ARE, UH, TAKING SOME OF THE OTHER BUILDINGS APART AND, BUT YOU'RE ACTUALLY GOING TO BE UTILIZING IF SOME OF THAT EXTRA MATERIAL, UM, JUST IN CASE I TAKE IT.
I MEAN IT'S, YEAH, WE'RE GONNA SAVE, LIKE
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I SAID, ESPECIALLY THE METAL PANELS BECAUSE OF THE DEER TONGUE BUILDING.WE WANNA MAKE SURE AND HAVE THAT ON SITE JUST IN CASE ANYTHING LIKE SHE FOUND ANYTHING THAT WASN'T, BUT YOU'RE GONNA ACTUALLY HAVE IT FROM SITE.
SO WE WOULDN'T REALLY HAVE TO SOURCE THAT MATERIAL PER SE, BUT ANY OTHER DISCUSSION FOR HER? I GUESS I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHY IT'S BE, WHY IT'S BETTER TO DECONSTRUCT AND RECONSTRUCT THAN MOVE AND GET IT UP TO CODE.
WE WOULD HAVE TO DE I KNOW THAT, BUT I MEAN, IT, IT CAN BE DONE.
YOU COULD TECHNICALLY LIFT IT UP AND MOVE IT OVER AND, AND GET IT UP TO CODE.
SO IF YOU'RE GONNA TAKE IT APART AND PUT IT BACK TOGETHER, WHY WOULDN'T YOU DO THAT ONE TIME? WHY WOULD YOU? I MEAN, DO IT TWICE PIECES AT WHEN IT'S BEEN MOVED.
I I I JUST ASK DO YOU CONSTRUC, I MEAN WELL SO THERE'S, YOU'RE, YOU'RE, BUT YOU'RE SAYING, YOU KNOW, I GUESS I'M TRYING TO VISUALIZE THIS IS IF YOU WERE TAKE THIS, MOVE IT HERE, IT'S HERE.
BUT IN THE SENSE I'M DOING THE SAME THING IN THIS LOCATION THAT I'D BE DOING IN THIS LOCATION.
JUST THE FACT THAT, JUST TO MAKE, JUST SAY THAT, BUT I HAVE A NEW FOUNDATION.
I HAVE A NEW EVERYTHING THAT I'M NEEDING TO PROVIDE AND IT'S BEING PLACED THERE, BUT I JUST HAVE THIS BROKEN BOX THAT NEEDS TO BE, I, I'M TRYING TO GET, YOU KNOW, CLARITY FOR EVERYONE TO SAY, OKAY, NOW I GOT A BROKEN BOX OVER HERE, BUT I GOTTA TAKE THE WHOLE DO DANG DIVE ON THING APART CUZ I GOTTA DO HURRICANE, I GOTTA, YOU KNOW, UH, GOTTA MAKE HIM HAPPY.
I GOTTA MAKE HIM HAPPY AND HE'S NOT GONNA APPROVE ANYTHING, ESPECIALLY BEING A COMMERCIAL THAT'S JUST, HE'S, BY THE WAY, I'M ACQUAINTED TO A GENTLEMAN, UM, CODE, UH, ENFORCEMENT OFFICER.
I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S APRO TERMINOLOGY, BUT WE'RE CLOSE ENOUGH
SO IT HAS TO MEET CODE, IT HAS TO MEET TODAY'S CODE.
UH, THERE'S NO, WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT JUST STRUCTURAL.
THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE WHOLE KEY IS IT'S NOT ONLY STRUCTURAL DOESN'T MAKE IT CODE INTERNALLY, ELECTRICAL, PLUMBING, IT'S JUST, IT'S EVERY PART OF THE BUILDING.
CAN I JUST ASK, SO ALMOST EVERY HISTORIC UH, CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE IN OLD TOWN BLUFF AND THIS WOULD, THIS COULD BE A PROCESS THAT'S UTILIZED TO I WOULD SAY IT'S CASE SPECIFIC.
I DON'T, I CAN'T SPEAK FOR EVERY PROJECT.
I MEAN, EVERY, EVERY PROJECT'S IN A UNIQUE DIFFERENT SITUATION.
I GUESS IT, IT JUST, I I THINK THAT THERE IS, AS FAR AS A BUILDING HISTORIC INTEGRITY, THERE IS A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN REPAIRING SOMETHING AND TRYING TO WORK WITH WHAT YOU HAVE AND JUST COMPLETELY BUILDING A NEW FRAME.
I MEAN, SOMETHING THAT'S THE MORE THAT YOU'RE ABLE TO KEEP, UM, IT'S MORE HISTORIC REPRESENTATION OF THAT, UH, STRUCTURE.
I GUESS I'M JUST, UM, I JUST AM CONCERNED ABOUT THAT.
UM, AND THE RAMIFICATIONS OF THAT, UM, LONG TERM FOR, UM, THIS COMMISSION I GUESS IS MY, UM, MR. CHAIRMAN, CAN I YEAH, PLEASE.
AND I ALSO LIKE TO REMIND EVERYONE THAT, THAT THIS IS A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE IN THE LOCAL DISTRICT.
SO TOWN COUNCIL ESTABLISHES WHAT, UM, BUILDINGS ARE CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE.
SO THIS STRUCTURE WILL CONTINUE TO BE A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE UNTIL SUCH TIME THAT TOWN COUNCIL CHOOSES THAT IT'S NOT A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE.
SO I JUST WANNA REMIND YOU THAT BECAUSE THEY'RE DOING THIS WORK DOES NOT MEAN THAT IT LOSES THIS STATUS.
SO AS THEY TAKE THIS APART, THEY PUT IT BACK TOGETHER IN THIS NEW LOCATION, IT'S LOOKING THE EXACT SAME, YOU'VE ALL SEEN THE, UH, THE RENDERINGS OF WHAT IT'S GONNA LOOK LIKE.
UM, IT WILL STILL HAVE THAT CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE STATUS TO IT.
SO JUST, JUST NOTE THAT UNTIL SUCH TIME THAT IT DOESN'T, IS THAT, THAT'S ONLY FOR, THAT'S DEEMED BY TOWN COUNCIL.
BUT WOULD ANY PRESERVATIONISTS AGREE WITH THAT? I MEAN, AND THIS, I MEAN, WHAT YOU COULD TOWN COUNCIL MIC THROUGH YOU.
IT'S, ITS, IT'S, IT'S THEM EVERYWHERE.
ANY PRESERVATION, I MEAN TOWN COUNCIL THAT'S MORE OF LIKE A, UM, NO, IF I COULD, SORRY.
HEATHER HOLAND, UM, ASSISTANT TOWN MANAGER RIGHT NOW IT IS WITH WITHIN OUR UD, OUR UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT
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BOARDS AS FAR AS WHAT THE CRITERIA IS.SO THAT'S SET BY TOWN COUNCIL.
SO IT DOES NOT REQUIRE, AS THE CODE'S WRITTEN NOW, ANY SORT OF PRESERVATIONIST OR ADDITIONAL LAYER OF REVIEW THAT'S SET BY TOWN COUNCIL.
SO, AND THEN JUST BASED ON YOUR DISCUSSION, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO REMIND Y'ALL WHEN YOU DO GET TO A MOTION THIS EVENING THAT IF YOU COULD, UM, JUST BRING IT BACK TO THE REVIEW CRITERIA AS FAR AS WHATEVER ADDITIONAL CONDITIONS OR WHEREVER THAT DECISION, UM, DOES FOLLOW, LIKE I SAID, AND IT'S, WE'RE FOLLOWING THE ORDINANCE THAT WE HAVE IN PLACE AT THIS TIME AND WE DO NOT HAVE SPECIFIC, UM, CRITERIA RELATED TO HOW YOU MOVE IT.
UM, YOU KNOW, THAT MAY BE SOMETHING WE LOOK AT IN THE FUTURE OR MOVE FORWARD WITH AS FAR AS REFINING UBO THAT WE DO ON A REGULAR BASIS.
BUT THAT'S JUST WHAT I WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT.
JUST THE UBO CRITERIA, THE CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AS IT'S WRITTEN NOW IS ESTABLISHED BY TOWN COUNCIL.
UM, AS FAR AS AMENDING THAT LIST IS ESSENTIALLY LIKE A RE RESULTING, RIGHT? SO IF IT'S TAKEN APART AND PUT BACK TOGETHER IN THE WAY THAT THEY'RE DESCRIBING, WOULD, AND I KNOW YOU PROBABLY CAN'T ANSWER THIS, BUT WOULD OUTSIDE PRESERVATIONISTS, I MEAN TOWN COUNCIL IS NOT QUALIFIED TO BE AS FAR, I MEAN THERE IS JUST GOING THROUGH THE MOTION, RIGHT? IT'S GONNA CONSIDER, CAUSE IF THIS IS A DEVELOPMENT BOARD OR COMMISSION, I WOULD SAY GO, BUT IT'S THE PRESERVATION COMMISSION AND I JUST CAN'T, I MEAN, WHAT'S THE POINT IF IT'S NOT BEING PRESERVED? RIGHT, I UNDERSTAND.
AND BUT I WILL SAY RELOCATION IS AN OPTION THAT'S, OH, THAT TEST'S APPROVAL BY, BY THE COMMISSION, WHICH WAS DONE IN THIS HOUSE.
THE STRUCTURE HAS BEEN MOVED, UM, SEVERAL TIMES.
AGAIN, WE DON'T GET INTO THE DETAIL IN OUR ORDINANCE AS IT IS TODAY, HOW IT'S DONE.
SO IS THAT DONE IN ONE PIECE? IS THAT DONE IN 10 PIECES? IS THAT DONE IN A HUNDRED PIECES? THAT'S NOT CODIFIED IN THE ORDINANCE TODAY.
SO THAT'S REALLY, UM, SO THIS IS ALLOWING MM-HMM.
WE'RE NOT LOOKING FOR ANY VARIANCES OR CHANGES OR ANYTHING SO THAT THE UDO IS WRITTEN IN A MANNER THAT ALLOWS US TO HAVE A REASSEMBLED AND REHABILITATION OF THIS PROJECT PER THE UD.
THERE'S ONLY, I'M LOOKING FOR ANY, THE ONLY DEVIATION THEY'RE REQUESTING IS ON THE DEVIATION ON THE MATERIALS FOR THE RAILINGS, WHICH YOU'VE DEALT WITH MATERIAL DEVIATIONS BEFORE.
BUT OTHERWISE, ACCORDING TO THE STAFF REPORT THAT WE'VE ANALYZED, IT MEETS THE CRITERION AND THEN OBVIOUSLY IT'S ULTIMATELY UP TO YOU.
SO I'M NOT TRYING TO STEERING IN ONE DIRECTION ARE NOT JUST, LIKE I SAID, IF YOU COULD BRING IT BACK TO THE UDL, UM, REVIEW CRITERIA AND JUST WANTED TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION ABOUT THE CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES THAT HELP.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR ME WHILE I'M UP HERE? SO IT SOUNDS LIKE WE HAVE A, A DISCUSSION IN REGARDS TO THE REASSEMBLY AND WHEN IS THE REASSEMBLY DONE, I GUESS IS ONE QUESTION I'M LOOKING AT IS, IS IT DONE? IF YOU'RE REASSEMBLING IT, ISN'T THAT BASICALLY WHAT WE HAVE TO DO, EVEN IF WE WERE TO MOVE THIS BOX OVER? WELL THAT'S WHAT I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY IT'S TO BE TAKEN APART IN SO MANY PIECES JUST TO BE MOVED.
CUZ THAT HASN'T, IS THAT HOW IT WAS MOVED PRIOR? I WOULD HAVE TO, BEFORE THAT.
I DON'T, I'M NOT SURE HOW IT WAS MOVED PRIOR
SO STANDARD PRACTICE IN PRESERVATION WORLD FOR MOVING A HISTORIC STRUCTURE CAN BE DONE IN BASICALLY THREE DIFFERENT WAYS.
UM, YOU CAN PICK IT UP AND MOVE IT BASICALLY INTACT.
YOU KNOW, ONE PIECE, UM, YOUR TRUNK WAREHOUSE WAS MOVED THAT WAY AT ONE POINT GOING UP CALVIN STREET ON THE TRUCK.
I SHOWED YOU THAT PICTURE BACK IN FEBRUARY.
UM, YOU CAN TAKE IT APART IN, MOVE IT IN TWO PIECES OR THREE PIECES.
I RECENTLY WATCHED A VIDEO OF THEM MOVING A HOUSE WHERE THEY CUT THE HOUSE IN TWO AND MOVED IT IN TWO PIECES.
UM, YOU CAN TAKE IT APART LIKE A GIANT JIGSAW PUZZLE AND PUT IT BACK TOGETHER AGAIN IN MULTIPLE PIECES.
UM, THAT OPTION'S WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING HERE.
SO THEY'RE GONNA TAKE APART AND PUT IT BACK TOGETHER ON THE DIFFERENT PART OF THE SAME LOT.
SO DOES THAT, SO THAT THAT'S ALLOWED BY, SO THAT'S THAT THOSE ARE ACCEPTED, THAT'S AN ACCEPTED PRACTICE.
IT'S AN ACCEPTED PRACTICES, I GUESS.
I GUESS AMANDA IS THE ONE I JUST WHY? OR IS IT HAVING TO BE TAKEN APART IN SO MANY PIECES JUST TO MOVE IT? SO THAT'S REALLY OUTSIDE THE SCOPE OF THIS COFA.
WELL, I'M JU YEAH, I MEAN I, I I HEAR YOUR QUESTION.
UM, BUT AGAIN, THAT'S JUST OUT OF THE SCOPE OF WHAT WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE LOOKING AT NOW.
WELL, I GUESS IF YOU, BUT THAT WOULD CHANGE MAYBE MY VIEW IF YOU
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HAD TO TAKE IT APART ANYWAY, THEN I CAN SEE THE POINT.BUT, BUT WHAT, WHAT DID WE GAIN BY THAT? BECAUSE WE'RE STILL TAKING IT APART.
WE'RE JUST, WELL, I DON'T THINK YOU NEED TO TAKE IT.
THEY MOVED IT FROM, TO MAKE WHERE IT IS NOW ON OUR CHART.
I MEAN, THEY'RE MOVING AT WHAT, 200 FEET IN THE SAME LOT.
IF, IF YOU COULD STEP TO THE, AND ROBERT, MR. RICHARDSON, THANK YOU RICHARDSON, THANK YOU FOR, UH, THE INPUT.
IF YOU COULD STATE WHO YOU ARE.
SOME PEOPLE MIGHT NOT KNOW WHO YOU ARE, BUT I KNOW.
MEMBERS MISSION, AS Y'ALL KNOW, RICHARDSON WITH FINGER MELL AND BROOKS AND LE BRUCE, UH, HERE ON BEHALF OF THE HPC.
SO MY ROLE HERE IS TO ASSIST IN GUIDING Y'ALL IN MAKING A DECISION.
UH, WHY I STOOD UP YOUR END AND WANTED TO COME SPEAK WAS JUST TO KIND OF, UH, FOR LACK OF A BETTER TERM, SYNOPSIS IS WHAT'S BEEN SAID OR WHAT, AT LEAST I'VE HEARD AND HOPEFULLY BE ABLE TO, UH, ASSIST WITH Y'ALL RENDERING A DECISION.
SO THERE ARE QUESTIONS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE, THE RELOCATION OF THIS BUILDING, THE, AND THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS.
WHAT, WHAT I'VE HEARD COMMISSIONER VOX BELL STATE AND OTHERS IS, WELL, WHY DO YOU HAVE TO DISASSEMBLE TO RELOCATE? AND I DON'T THINK THAT'S NECESSARILY WHAT THE APPLICANT IS SAYING.
THE APPLICANT BEGAN THIS PROCESS.
IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING OF LOOKING THROUGH THESE, LOOKING THROUGH THE DOCUMENTS WITH THE RELOCATION OF AN INTACT BUILDING.
THAT WAS THE INTENDED PLAN BACK IN FEBRUARY.
AND THE, UM, THE DOCUMENTS, THE GRANTON REPORT WAS, WAS LARGELY IN SUPPORT OF THAT AFTERWARDS, IN DISCUSSIONS WITH THE BUILDING CO OFFICIALS AND IN DISCUSSIONS WITH TOWN STAFF, THERE WAS A DETERMINATION THAT MUCH OF THE BUILDING WOULD HAVE TO BE DISASSEMBLE, TAKEN APART AND THEN PUT BACK TOGETHER TO COMPLY WITH BUILDING CODE.
AND AS WE'VE HEARD, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO TAKE OFF THE EXTERIOR TO GET THE WEATHERPROOFING ON THERE.
THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO, I'M NOT AN ENGINEER, I'M NOT AN ARCHITECT, I'M PROBABLY SAYING THE WRONG WORDS, BUT RIP OUT THE DRYWALL, THE INTERIOR, THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DO SUBSTANTIAL STRUCTURAL CHANGES TO IT, WHETHER IT IS PRE RELOCATION OR POST RELOCATION.
SO MY CONCERN TO SPEAK FRANKLY, IS THAT WE ARE GETTING A LITTLE BIT OF A HANGUP ON, WELL, SHOULD THIS DISASSEMBLY BE PERMITTED TO OCCUR IN POINT AT POINT A OR POINT B? UM, RELOCATION IS PERMITTED UNDER PRESERVATION STANDARDS.
I THINK Y'ALL ARE WELL AWARE OF THAT.
IT'S NOT PREFERRED, BUT Y'ALL HAVE ALREADY GRANTED THEM THE ABILITY TO RELOCATE THE BUILDING.
Y'ALL ALREADY SAID THAT THIS IS A, THIS IS A SUITABLE RELOCATION SITE AND IT'S BEEN APPROVED, THAT'S BEEN APPROVED.
AND WE KNOW THAT THERE ARE, AS UH, GLENN HAS SAID, WE KNOW THAT THERE ARE THREE, THERE ARE THREE DIFFERENT, UM, RELOCATION TECHNIQUES.
YOU CAN MOVE IT INTACT, WHICH I UNDERSTAND IS LIKELY TO PREFER THE PREFERRED METHOD.
BUT YOU CAN ALSO DO THE PARTIAL DISASSEMBLY OR THE TOTAL DISASSEMBLY.
BUT WHAT WE HAVE IS YOU'VE ALREADY APPROVED THE RELOCATION, WHICH METHOD THEY CHOOSE AS YOU'VE HEARD STAFF STATE ABOUT THE UDL.
THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT IS A APPLICANT DECISION LIKE WITH MOST CONSTRUCTION TECHNIQUES, BECAUSE THINGS ARE GONNA HAPPEN ON THE GROUND, ON THE SITE IF SOMETHING NEEDS TO CHANGE AND THERE'S A PROCESS THAT NEEDS TO CHANGE.
AND THERE WAS NOTHING IN THE FEBRUARY, UM, THIS FEBRUARY APPROVAL THAT CONDITIONED IT ON A, YOU KNOW, INTACT RELOCATION.
AND I THINK THE OTHER ASPECT OF THIS IS THE, THE DISASSEMBLY, THE APPLICANT AND STAFF AND THE BUILDING CODE OFFICIALS HAVE ALL SAID TO, YOU KNOW, TO A LIMITED EXTENT THAT THERE NEEDS TO BE A DISASSEMBLY OF THIS PROJECT IN ORDER TO BRING THIS UP TO CODE.
YOU'VE HEARD IT FROM THE APPLICANT, YOU'VE HEARD IT FROM STAFF, THAT THEY, IN THEIR STAFF REPORT THAT THEY'RE IN AGREEMENT WITH THAT, THAT THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME DISASSEMBLY.
SO ULTIMATELY THE APPLICANT IS STILL MOVING FORWARD WITH THE RELOCATION, BUT WHAT THEY HAVE MODIFIED IS AFTER MEETING WITH STAFF AND THE BUILDING CODE OFFICIALS ABOUT WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE TO THE BUILDING TO BRING IT TO THE CONDITION THAT THEY WANT IT TO BE IN, FOR THE POTENTIAL USE THAT THEY PLAN, THEY ARE GOING TO HAVE TO DISASSEMBLE.
AND RATHER THAN TRYING TO MOVE A STRUCTURE INTACT TO THEM LATER DISASSEMBLE IT AT, IN THE NEW LOCATION, THEY WILL GO AHEAD AND DISASSEMBLE AND THEN RELOCATE.
THAT'S THE PROPOSAL THAT THEY'RE, THEY'RE SUBMITTING.
AND I DO MUCH JUST A LITTLE BIT OF MY OWN RESEARCH, AND THIS WAS FROM A, A, A HUD PUBLICATION, UM, THAT, YOU KNOW, IT'S,
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IT'S OFTENTIMES MORE EXPENSIVE TO DO THAT.IF A PRESERVATION, MOST FOLKS WHEN THEY'RE DOING THE RELOCATION ARE GOING TO TRY TO DO THE INTACT BECAUSE THAT IS SUBSTANTIALLY, SUBSTANTIALLY CHEAPER AND MORE COST EFFECTIVE THAN DOING A FULL CATALOGED TOTAL DISASSEMBLY LIKE IS BEING PROPOSED BY THE APPLICANT.
THIS SORT OF EXTENSIVE CATALOGING, WHICH, AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, I DON'T BELIEVE IS BEING DONE WITH THE JOINER HOUSE.
THE, THAT THE JOINER HOUSE YOU COULDN'T EVEN WALK THROUGH.
WELL, IT'S STILL ABOUT RELOCATING IT.
SO ITS, IT'S ABOUT THAT RELOCATION THAT IS BEEN PERMIT.
SO IT'S WHETHER, BUT WHY CAN'T THEY PICK IT UP AND MOVE IT? BUT I DON'T, I DON'T THINK THAT THEY SAID THAT THEY CAN'T PICK IT UP AND MOVE IT.
IT'S, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DISASSEMBLE THE PRO, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO DISASSEMBLE IT.
SO WHY, WHY, WHY ARE THEY GONNA, AND THAT MAY NOT BE UNDER OUR, OUR DECISION, BUT WE'VE ALREADY, IF WE'VE ALREADY APPROVED FOR THEM TO RELOCATE IT, THEN WHY ARE WE HERE TONIGHT? WELL FINISHED PRODUCT.
IT'S THE CO IT IS WHAT THE FINISHED PRODUCT WILL LOOK LIKE.
AND THAT'S WHY YOU'RE, YOU'RE HERE, THEY'RE, THEY'RE RELOCATING THAT'S BEEN APPROVED.
SO WHAT YOU'RE HERE FOR IS THE, THE CO HD THE CRITERIA THAT Y'ALL HAVE, UM, THERE, BUT IT'S THE FINISHED PRODUCT.
SO, AND I THINK WE UNDERSTANDABLY, BECAUSE THIS IS NOT AN ISSUE THAT I THINK BLUFFS HAD TO DEAL WITH BEFORE, AT LEAST NOT IN MY EXPERIENCE OF SOMETHING WHERE YOU'RE, YOU'RE DOING THIS WHY IT WILL BE NOW YES.
I MEAN THIS, THE JOINER HOUSE SET THE PRESIDENT, THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE.
I MEAN ALL OF THE, ANYTIME EVERYONE, THEY'RE GONNA DO EVERY, EVERY PROPERTY, IT'S COMPLETELY DIFFERENT.
AND, UM, YEAH, I THINK I I I I UNDERSTAND THE COMMISSION'S CONCERNS.
I I I THINK EVERYBODY IN THIS ROOM UNDERSTANDS THE COMMISSION'S CONCERNS THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A PREFERRED INTACT, Y'ALL ARE PREFERRED THAT THE BUILDING MOVED INTACT AND THEN WHAT'S DONE AT THE SITE IS DONE AT THE SITE.
AND THAT KIND OF MAINTAINS A LEVEL OF CONSISTENCY THAT Y'ALL FEEL IS NEEDED IN THE STATES.
AND THAT'S, IT IS AN OPINION AND IT'S A PREFERRED IS BESIDES THE OTHER TWO ELEMENTS.
SO IT'S JUST LIKE ANY OTHER, THIS IS MY OPINION, THIS IS YOUR OPINION.
SO WHAT, BUT WHAT IS GOING TO GET THE END RESULT THAT HAS A STRUCTURE THAT'S GOING TO LAST FOR MANY, MANY, MANY MORE YEARS THAT'S UP TO CODE THAT'S GONNA MAINTAIN ITSELF IN HURRICANE OR SEVERE WEATHER OR WHATEVER A ELEMENT GETS THROWN AT IT.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, AS WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS BOX, WE ALSO HAVE TO PROBABLY REALIZE THAT THE ROOF IS GONNA HAVE TO BE REMOVED BECAUSE I'M SURE THAT THE ROOFING AND, YOU KNOW, THE ROOFING STRUCTURE AND EVERYTHING ELSE AS YOU, IF THERE'S NOTHING TO SUPPORT THAT, I MEAN THAT'S OUR TO MEET CODE AND THAT'S, WHERE'S THAT QUOTE? WE DON'T KNOW THAT THE ROOF NEEDS TO BE TAKEN OFF AND RE I MEAN IF, SO I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW, AND, AND FRANKLY IN LOOKING AT THE CRITERIA, WHEN YOU LOOK AT YOUR COFA HD, THAT'S NOT REALLY WITHIN Y'ALL'S.
SO WHAT WE'RE GOING, IT'S, THAT'S NOT PROOF, BUT WE'RE AT JUST RECRUITING EXCEPTION AND THEN GO FIX IT SO THAT THIS DOESN'T HAPPEN AGAIN.
IT'S, IT IS ANALYZING THIS APPLICATION.
THE APPLICATION IS BEFORE YOU AND YOU'VE ALREADY APPROVED THE RELOCATION ANALYZING THIS APPLICATION UNDERNEATH THE EIGHT, I BELIEVE IT'S EIGHT CRITERIA OF THE UD.
AND Y'ALL HEARD ME BREACH ON THIS MANY TIMES, FINDINGS OF FACT, CONCLUSIONS OF LAW.
IT, IT'S, IT IS IMPERATIVE THAT THE APPLICANT THAT STAFF THAT ALL THE PUBLIC KNOWS WHY THE DECISIONS ARE BEING REACHED.
AND YOU HAVE, YOU HAVE STAFF AND THE APPLICANT IN AGREEMENT ON THIS CA IN THIS PARTICULAR, UM, MR. PARTICULAR A APPLICATION.
I THINK YOU'VE HEARD FROM STAFF WHY THEY'RE IN AGREEMENT AND YOU'VE HEARD FROM THE APPLICANT WHY THEY THINK THIS IS NECESSARY.
AGAIN, I, I UNDERSTAND YOUR CONCERNS.
I APPRECIATE YOUR CONCERNS AND WHAT YOUR, WHAT YOUR, WHERE YOUR HESITATION MAY LIE.
BUT I, IF THERE'S ANY WAY, IF THERE'S ANYTHING I CAN ANSWER OR ANY SORT OF CLARIFICATION I CAN PROVIDE, I'D BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO DO SO.
ARE DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO I DON'T, I MEAN, I'LL JUST SAY WITH THIS, I MEAN, JUST SO, UH, WE CAN GET TO A VOTE.
I THINK, UH, I, WITH THIS, UM, NOT BEING ABLE TO LOOK AT THE RELOCATION, UM, OF THIS STRUCTURE, UM, I DON'T HAVE A REASON WHY, UM, I I WOULD APPROVE IT IF I'M NOT ABLE TO LOOK AT THE, UM, RELOCATION
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IN YOUR PLANS.IS THAT WHAT YOU NEED FOLLOWING? WHAT DO YOU MEAN? I'M, SO WHAT I'M HEARING FROM, UM, STAFF IS THAT RELOCATION HAS BEEN, UH, HAS ALREADY BEEN APPROVED, UM, BY THIS BOARD, BY THIS.
UM, AND WE'RE NOT ABLE TO, UM, LOOK AT THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, OR TO, I'M NOT ALLOWED TO APPLY, UM, YOU KNOW, THE SECRETARY OF INTERIOR STANDARDS OF REHABILITATION TO, UM, THE RELOCATION.
AND IF THAT'S THE CASE, UM, THEN I, UM, WHAT, I MEAN, I WOULD HAVE TO, UH, APPROVE THIS APPLICATION.
AND I THINK THAT'S, WE THANK YOU THAT WE HAVE THE UDA ADMINISTRATOR HERE TONIGHT WITH US.
BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THE STAFF REPORT, I THINK THAT WAS THE DETERMINATION THAT STAFF MADE AND THAT THE UDA ADMINISTRATOR MADE THAT RELOCATION HAS BEEN APPROVED.
NOTHING IN THIS APPLICATION SHOULD ACT AS AN AMENDMENT OF THAT OR MODIFICATION THAT, THAT IN SETH'S OPINION, THE RELOCATION IS, IS IS THE RELOCATION.
THE METHOD IS NOT BY SIX TO ONE, I MEAN SIX UNANIMOUS.
UH, THAT WAS MY MISTAKE, UM, FOR VOTING FOR THAT BECAUSE I WOULD NOT HAVE FED NOW YOU COULD TAKE IT ALL APART AND PUT TOGETHER, BUT THAT'S MY MISTAKE.
SO WE, WE ARE WHERE WE'RE AT TODAY TO MOVE FORWARD FROM WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO GET ACCOMPLISHED NOW, YOU KNOW, WE COULD ALL BE MONDAY, MONDAY MORNING QUARTERBACKS, BUT RIGHT NOW WE'RE TRYING TO MOVE FORWARD ON WHAT WE HAVE PRESENTED TO US TODAY, AND THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE TO CONCENTRATE ON, NOT FROM WHAT WAS IN THE PAST.
AND NOTHING IN THE UDL STATES THAT IT IS PROHIBITED, AS YOU JUST STATED, THERE ARE THREE DIFFERENT WAYS.
WHO ARE WE TO TELL THEM WHICH WAY THAT THEY CAN REMOVE OR MOVE THIS STRUCTURE IF IT'S ALLOWED? WHY PROHIBIT THEM REASSEMBLY? YEAH.
WHERE HOW DOES IT, AND I KNOW, AND WE, AND WE'VE, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS BEFORE IN THE PAST TOO.
YOU LOOK AT YOUR SECRETARY STANDARDS, THERE ARE HUNDREDS OF PAGES AND TONS OF ADDITIONAL MATERIAL, AND EVEN THE SECRETARY STANDARDS DON'T REALLY ADDRESS RELOCATION AND ANY DEPTH AT ALL.
UM, IN OUR, OUR UDO IS NOT, AND PARTICULARLY STORY DISTRICT STANDARDS ARE NOT HUNDREDS OF PAGES.
THEY'RE MUCH SHORTER, THEY MUCH MORE CONCISE, AND THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BE UNDERSTANDABLE AND SUPPOSED TO BE ABLE TO WORK THROUGH THEM.
AND I THINK THIS IS ONE OF THOSE AREAS WHERE WE MAY NEED TO TALK ABOUT IT IN THE FUTURE IF THIS IS A, A, A, A CONTINUING CONCERN AT HBC AND THAT'S WITHIN YOUR JURISDICTION TO BRING THAT TO STAFF TO TALK ABOUT, UM, UDO AND AT AN APPROPRIATE TIME, YOU KNOW, FOR, UH, WE'RE SORRY, I JUST TRIED TO BE A LITTLE
UM, WE HAVE HAVE STRATEGIC PLANNING COMING UP IN A LITTLE BIT OVER A MONTH, AND I KNOW HISTORIC PRESERVATION CONTRIBU STRUCTURES IS A TOPIC OF DISCUSSION WITH TOWN COUNCIL.
SO WE BRING FORWARD UD AMENDMENTS ALL THE TIME SO WE CAN WORKSHOP THAT.
UM, LIKE I SAID, I KNOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND JUST HOW DO WE APPROACH, SO WE INVITED IN THAT MEETING AND CAN YOU'LL BE INVITED TO THAT? YES.
AS WE, AS A BODY CONTRIBUTE TO WHAT YES, YES.
YOU WILL BE INVITED, UM, AS THE CHAIRPERSON.
AND IT'S A PUBLIC MEETING, SO YOU'RE ALL ENCOURAGED TO ATTEND, BUT YOU KNOW, THERE'S OBVIOUSLY OTHER WAYS TO THAT, THE CLOSE THAT'S A COUPLE WEEKS AWAY.
DO WE HAVE ABILITY TO GIVE YOU INPUT? YES, OF COURSE.
UM, IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION, UH, JERRY I GUESS WE'RE JUST TRYING TO DECIDE IF IT CAN BE DONE EITHER WAY.
IT CAN PHYSICALLY BE MOVED AND THEN OKAY, TAKE THE SIDING OFF, FIX IT, DO WHATEVER PIECE BY PIECE, DO IT THAT WAY OR LET 'EM TAKE IT APART AND REBUILD IT, IS ESSENTIALLY WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DECIDE THE APPLICANT IS ASKING FOR THEM TO DO.
THE SECOND, THE SECOND WHICH, UM, YOU KNOW, GOING THROUGH THE PROCESS, I GUESS I'M LOOKING AT, BUT IS IT, I GUESS I CAN'T SAY, YOU KNOW, I KNOW THAT THERE'S A, A FEELING THAT WE'RE NOT PRESERVING THIS LOCKS, BUT WE ARE PRESERVING THIS BOX.
WE'RE JUST PRESERVING IT IN A DIFFERENT MANNER.
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THERE'S GOING TO BE THIS BUILDING THAT NO ONE'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S GOING TO PIECE GOING STILL TIGHT IS, IF WE WERE HEARING, IT'S STILL GONNA BE A PIECE OF ART BECAUSE IT'S STILL GOING TO HAVE THE SAME EXTERIOR STRUCTURE FOR NOT STRUCTURE, BUT MATERIAL AND LOOK IN DESIGN IN WINDOWS AND ROOFS AND EVERYTHING ELSE.THAT'S, IF, IF I MAY, I MEAN, I'LL JUST SAY THIS AFTER BEING AT THE LAST, UM, MEETING, I MEAN, TO ME NOT, UH, IF I CANNOT TAKE INTO THE RELOCATION OF THE STRUCTURE, I THINK, UM, MY QUESTIONS HAVE BE, HAVE BEEN ANSWERED AND I WOULD, UNLESS THERE'S FURTHER DISCUSSION, LIKE TO DO A VOTE, I DO THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE ADDITIONAL, UM, CONVERSATION, BUT NOT ON THE APPLICANT'S TIME, I GUESS.
UM, WE'RE ALWAYS, IF SOMEBODY WORKS TO SUBMIT MOTION, THAT'S FINE.
UM, I IF THERE'S A MOTION, UH, IT DOESN'T SEEM, BUT GLEN, DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING PROVIDE, THANK YOU.
THERE'S A REAL, SO, UM, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION, UM, TO APPROVE THE APPLICATION, UM, WITH STAFF CONDITIONS, UH, WITH ALL OF STAFF CONDITIONS FOR STAFF CONDITION NUMBER TWO.
UM, FIND THAT THE, UH, POWDER CODED ALUMINUM RAILINGS AND BALLERS ARE IN ACCEPTABLE DEVIATION REMITTED MATERIALS.
DO WE HAVE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? NO FURTHER DISCUSSION.
LOOKING FOR A VOTE? ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.
ALL OPPOSED? NA NAS THREE, UM, APPROVED OR THREE GAY.
SO THAT MEANS IT'S A THREE TO TWO VOTE AND SO THAT MEANS IT'S APPROVED.
THAT IS OUR FINAL ITEM ON THE AGENDA, IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S RIGHT.
EXCEPT I JUST WANT MENTION THAT, UH, GLENN HELPED OUT, UH, IN THE RECENT, UH, HISTORIC FOUNDATION.
SO, AND HE WAS SERVING, UH, FOOD AND PICKING UP TABLES AND BEING A BUTLER AND HELPING THE, UH, SO START LEAVING AS A BARTENDER.
UH, AND BUT ALSO PROVIDING, UH, THE ADDITIONAL HEALTH.
AND I BELIEVE, UH, WE RAISED QUITE A BIT OF MONEY FOR THE HISTORIC FOUNDATION.
AND I BELIEVE, UH, KATIE WAS ALSO THERE, SO I JUST WANTED TO NOTE THAT, YOU KNOW, STAFF IS PITCHING IN, SO THANK YOU STAFF.
UH, I'M LOOKING FOR A MOTION TO ADJOURN SOMEONE.