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[1. CALL TO ORDER]
TO ORDER.THIS IS BUFORD COUNTY PUBLIC FACILITIES, MONDAY, OCTOBER 17TH.
IF YOU WOULD, UH, RISE TO THE PLEDGE, I PLEDGE ALLEGION, SEND A FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND THE TWO, THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS.
ONE NATION WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE OR ALL.
I ASSUME WE'RE IN COMPLIANCE WITH FOIA? YES, WE ARE.
HAVE WE EVER NOT BEEN IN COMPLIANCE WITH FOER? UM, AND, UH, DO WE KNOW HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE ON BOARD AND WHETHER WE HAVE A QUORUM? YES, SIR.
YOU HAVE COUNCIL MEMBER HARON WANTS MEMBER WILSON, YOURSELF.
SO YOU HAVE A QUORUM? THREE OUTTA FOUR.
WHO ELSE IS ON? CAN YOU SEE? I DON'T SEE ANYTHING ON THE SCREEN.
THE ONLY ONE ONLINE IS MR. HARON.
MAYBE ONE OR TWO WILL, UH, JOIN US AS WE, UH, GO FORWARD.
UH, OUR NEXT ITEM IS THE APPROVAL OF
[4. APPROVAL OF AGENDA]
THE AGENDA.AND I'D KIND OF ANTICIPATED WE WERE GONNA HAVE A DISCUSSION ON THE TERMINAL FUNDING.
SO IF, UNLESS THERE'S AN OBJECTION, I'D LIKE TO ADD THAT AS A, AS A DISCUSSION ITEM.
YOU SAY AIRPORT CRIMINAL FUNDING.
SO NOW I NEED TO MAKE A MOTION TO AMEND THE AGENDA.
SO IS, CAN I HAVE A MOTION TO AMEND JUST TO SURE.
I'LL, ANY DISCUSSION? ANY OBJECTION? SAYING NONE.
UH, WHERE DO YOU PUT IT? OH, LET'S DO IT LAST BY LAST TIME.
UH, SO NOW WE NEED APPROVAL OF THE AGENDA AS AMENDED.
STAN'S APPROVED WITHOUT OBJECTION.
HAVE APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES FROM
[5. APPROVAL OF MINUTES- September 19, 2022]
SEPTEMBER 19TH.LOOKING FOR A MOTION ON THAT? STILL MOVED.
YOU'RE DOING A GOOD JOB ON MOVING.
ANY, UH, COMMENTS, OBJECTIONS? SEEING NONE, UH, THAT STANDS APPROVED WITHOUT OBJECTION.
UH, SARAH, DO WE HAVE ANY, UH, CITIZENS COMMENTS? NO, SIR.
[7. DIVISION UPDATE FROM ASSISTANT COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR, JARED FRALIX]
US TO, UH, JARED'S REPORT, WHICH WE ALL JUST LOOK FORWARD TO.UH, CHAIR AND, AND THE COMMITTEE.
JUST A COUPLE UPDATES TO EVERYBODY.
UH, SOME OF THE THINGS THAT DON'T ALWAYS MAKE IT TO A COUNCIL AGENDA AS FAR AS ACTION ITEMS. SO JUST TO KEEP YOU GUYS IN THE LOOP OF ALL THE THINGS WE'RE WORKING ON INSIDE OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE DIVISION AND, AND WITH CAPITAL PROJECTS, UH, NOW BEING ITS OWN KIND OF UNIT.
FIRST, STARTING OFF WITH TRANSPORTATION.
SE ONE 70, NEAR TERM IMPROVEMENTS.
THIS IS ONE THAT I, I THINK'S NEAR AND DEAR TO MOST EVERYBODY'S HEART, OR ANYBODY THAT DRIVES ON THE ROAD IN BEAUFORT COUNTY RUNS THROUGH ONE 70.
UH, SO OUR PLANS ARE IN THE FINAL REVIEW FOR THAT.
WE ARE WORKING INTERNALLY ON OUR BID PACKAGE FOR THAT WITH, WITH OUR ENGINEER.
SO AS SOON AS WE GET THE COMMENTS BACK FROM D O T, WE'LL FINALIZE THOSE, INCORPORATE THOSE INTO THE PLANS, AND PUT THOSE PROJECT, UH, OUT TO BID.
SO OUR GOAL IS THAT WE PUT THAT OUT TO BID IN THE COMING WEEKS, AND WE GET A CONTRACTOR ON BOARD BY THE END OF THE YEAR, FIRST OF NEXT YEAR, AND GET STARTED SOON THEREAFTER.
SO AGAIN, WE'RE, WE'RE ANTICIPATING ABOUT A SIX MONTH WINDOW FOR THOSE IMPROVEMENTS.
AND JUST A REMINDER, WHAT THOSE IMPROVEMENTS ARE FOR THIS PROJECT ON THE NEAR TERM, NOT THE LONG TERM, BUT THE NEAR TERM PROJECT IS WORK AT THE INTERSECTION AT ONE 70 AND OKEE BOULEVARD SOUTH.
SO THAT'S SOUTH OF 2 78 NEAR THE FOOD LINE ENTRANCE.
UH, SPECIFICALLY WORK THERE AT 2 78 INTERCHANGE.
UM, THAT'S WHERE THE BIGGEST HINGE POINT IS RIGHT NOW, AS WE'RE ALL AWARE OF IMPROVEMENTS AT TIDE WATCH INTERSECTION, CHERRY POINT, INTERSECTION, ARGENT BOULEVARD INTERSECTION RIGHT THERE.
WE'LL BE ADDING A SECOND TURN LANE.
SO IF YOU'RE COMING OFF OF ARGENT HEADING NORTH ON ONE 70, WE'LL ADD A SECOND TURN LANE.
UH, SO WE'LL HAVE TWO LEFT TURN LANES AND REDO THE PHASING OF THAT SIGNAL TO GIVE MORE TIME FOR THAT.
AND THEN LASTLY, IMPROVEMENTS AT 4 62.
SO RIGHT NOW THERE'S A SIGNAL ALREADY THAT'S BEEN IMPLEMENTED OVER THE LAST YEAR OR SO, BUT WE'RE GONNA TRY TO EXTEND THAT, THAT TURN LANE SO PEOPLE CAN GET OUT OF THE FAST LANE AS WELL AS RETIME THAT WITH THE WORK INCLUDED.
UH, ADDITIONALLY WHAT WE'VE BEEN SUCCESSFUL IS WORKING WITH D O T D O T HAD A RESURFACING PROJECT PLANNED IN THE AREA ON 2 78, IN BETWEEN, UH, ONE 70 AND THE OKEE RIVER BRIDGE, THAT FIRST BRIDGE THERE.
UH, IT WAS ORIGINALLY SCHEDULED WITH OUR PROJECT, BUT THEN THROUGH THERE, UH, WORKFLOW GOT PUSHED OUT A YEAR.
AND CRAIG WENT, OR NOT CRAIG, WHEN CRAIG GORDON
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HAS BEEN HELPFUL IN COORDINATING THAT WITH D O T.AND THEY'VE SAID, OKAY, YOU GUYS, WE'LL, WE'LL MOVE OUR SCHEDULE BACK UP AND REJOIN IT WITH YOU.
AND WE LOOKED AT WHOSE PROJECT WAS GONNA BE BIGGER, OURS OR THEIRS, AND WE PUT IT TO THEIR, TO WHICHEVER PROJECT WAS BIGGEST.
OUR PROJECT'S GONNA BE BIGGER.
SO THEY'RE GONNA FOLD THEIR RESURFACING WORK IN WITH US, AND WE'RE GOING TO BID THAT AS ONE PROJECT.
SO INCLUDING IN OUR SHORT TERM IMPROVEMENTS, WE'RE GOING TO BE SOME IMPROVEMENTS ON THE, ON THE, UH, ONE OFF RAMP, 2 78 OFF-RAMP ON THE ONE 70.
NOW WE'LL INCLUDE ALL THREE, ALL FOUR OFF-RAMPS, AS WELL AS THE SECTION ON 2 78.
WHAT THAT DOES FOR US IS IF YOU'RE GOING SOUTH ON ONE 70 AND YOU GO ON THE CIRCLE TO GET ON THE 2 78 EASTBOUND, YOU HAVE TO MERGE IN THE TRAFFIC WHEN WE RESURFACE IT.
WE CAN ALSO RETRIP THAT AND WE CAN CONVERT THAT INTO A, MERGE INTO A FREE FLOW LANE.
SO THAT WILL BE THE INTRODUCTION OF THE, THE THIRD LANE, AND THEN THE NORTH ONE 70 NORTH ON BOUND RAMPS TO EAST 1 2 78, UH, CURRENTLY HAS ITS OWN LANE THAT WILL BE CONVERTED TO A MERGE.
SO THAT WILL FLIP THOSE TWO MERGE MOVEMENTS, WHICH WILL HOPEFULLY PROVIDE, UH, GET RID OF SOME OF THE DELAY THERE THAT'S IN INTRODUCED.
UH, SO ANYHOW, THAT IS, THAT IS COMING UP AND AGAIN, BY THE END OF THE YEAR, WE HOPE TO HAVE A CONTRACT AWARDED TO A CONTRACTOR OR FIRST OF NEXT YEAR AND GET THAT STARTED, UH, AT THE FIRST OF NEXT YEAR.
OTHER TRANSPORTATION WORK, RIVER RIDGE SIGNAL ON BLUFFTON PARKWAY.
SO THIS IS A SIGNAL THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT AND COORDINATED WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT.
WE JUST GOT STARTED ABOUT A WEEK AGO ON THIS PROJECT, AND ANTICIPATED IT'LL BE ABOUT THREE OR FOUR WEEKS BEFORE CONSTRUCTION.
THIS IS A TEMPORARY SIGNAL, SO IT'LL BE ON A WOODEN POLE WITH STRAIN WIRES ACROSS THE ROAD.
UM, WE'RE ALSO CONCURRENTLY DESIGNING THE LONG TERM PROJECT, WHICH IS A MASS ARM, BUT IN THE EFFORT TO TRY TO GET THE THE PROJECT UP AS AS FAST AS POSSIBLE, WE'RE MOVING FORWARD WITH THE TEMPORARY SOLUTION.
THE MASS ARMS HAS A LONG WORK ORDER, UM, AS YOU CAN IMAGINE, SO THAT OUR GOAL WITH THAT IS TO GET THE MASS ARMS UP AND THE WOODEN POLES DOWN PRIOR TO NEXT SCHOOL YEAR STARTING.
SO, UH, ANOTHER SIGNAL IN THE WORKS IS WINDMILL HARBOR SIGNAL.
SO THIS CAME OUT AT 2 78 ON THE CORRIDOR PROJECT.
CAN WE GET THIS STARTED AHEAD OF TIME? WE SENT A LETTER TO THE STATE AND THEY REPLIED, YES, WE ALLOW THIS.
UH, WE'VE INITIATED DESIGN ON THAT AND HAD A KICKOFF MEETING LAST WEEK.
SO THAT PROJECT IS MOVING FORWARD IN THE DESIGN FULL STEAM AHEAD.
AND LASTLY, INSIDE OF TRANSPORTATION KIND OF CONNECTED, UH, BUT SEPARATE TO 2 78 AS WELL, IS HILTON HEAD IS MOVING FORWARD ON THEIR ADAPTIVE SIGNAL RFP.
WE ARE, UH, REVIEWERS, WE'RE INCORPORATED INTO THAT.
ERIC LAWSON'S GONNA BE ON THE REVIEWING COMMITTEE WITH HILTON HEAD.
AND THIS IS KIND OF THE FIRST KICKOFF TO AN ADAPTIVE SIGNALS, NOT ONLY ON THE ISLAND, BUT ON THE WHOLE 2 78 CORRIDOR.
UH, IT'LL FIT INTO OUR MASTER PLAN THAT WE'RE, WE TALKED ABOUT PREVIOUSLY, A ITS MASTER PLAN THAT WE'RE WORKING WITH LATS FOR THE REGION AS WELL AS THIS WILL THIS WORK ONCE DONE, UH, AND IMPLEMENTED WILL BE AHEAD OF THE TWO 70 CORRIDOR PROJECT.
SO AGAIN, COORDINATING WITH TOWN OF HILTON HEAD AND CLAD TO GET THAT KICKED OFF AS FAR AS, AND STOP ME ALONG THE WAY, IF ANYBODY HAS ANY QUESTIONS.
I KNOW I'M TALKING FAST, SO IF YOU HAVE QUESTION, FEEL FREE TO JUMP IN.
AGAIN, THIS IS SOMETHING NOW THAT'S KIND OF, UH, OUTTA MY UMBRELLA, BUT ERIC'S KIND OF LEADING THE CHARGE.
BUT JUST A UPDATE ON A COUPLE THINGS.
THE PUBLIC POOL, UH, IN BLUFFTON HAS, THE ROOF WORK HAS BEEN COMPLETED AND I THINK IS OPENING UP THIS WEEK WITH SERVICE.
SO WE'LL HAVE IT OPEN BACK UP TO THE PUBLIC THIS WEEK, UH, WITH SERVICE OUT OF THAT POOL.
SO, UM, THE ARTHUR HORN BUILDING JUST NEXT DOOR, WE DO HAVE THE CO FOR THE ENTIRE THREE FLOORS, SO IT IS CURRENTLY MOVING INTO THAT AS WE SPEAK.
UM, ONE THING JUST TO LET YOU GUYS KNOW, SOME OF THE OFFICE SHOVEL THAT'S PLANNED AND, AND WHAT THAT'S GONNA HELP OUT IN.
SO WITH IT MOVING IN THAT THEIR BUILDING IS GONNA BE VACATED, THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT IS GONNA MOVE FROM MAR SPOT ON BOIES STREET, THE OLD UNITED WAY BUILDING INTO THE OLD BIV BUILDING THAT IT IS VACATING.
AND THEN FROM THERE, WE'RE COORDINATING WITH THE CITY OF BEAUFORT, UH, TO DEMO BOTH THAT BUILDING THE OLD WENDY'S BUILDING, WHICH YOU PROBABLY SAW SOME SILK FENCE AROUND, AS WELL AS THE OLD ARTHUR HORN BUILDING.
SO ALL THOSE THREE BUILDINGS WILL BE DEMOED.
WE'RE WORKING WITH THE CITY OF BEAUFORT ON THAT, UH, TO GET THAT WORK DONE.
AND THEN CITY OF BEAUFORT IS, I THINK ALREADY REACHED OUT TO STEPHANIE AS FAR AS LOOKING AT MAKING SOME PASSIVE PARK IMPROVEMENTS ON THAT SECTION ON BOUNDARY STREET.
SO THAT WHOLE SIDE FROM THE OLD APPLEBEE'S ALL THE WAY TO THE CEMETERY WILL BE NOTHING BUT AN OPEN, OPEN VISTA AS YOU DRIVE INTO TOWN.
AS FAR AS PUBLIC WORKS GOES, UH, WE'VE STARTED RFQ OUT FOR
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THE DESIGN OF THE NEW PUBLIC WORKS BUILDING OUT ON SHANKLIN.UH, THAT'S PART OF THE FACILITIES MASTER PLAN, WHICH WE'LL TALK MORE ABOUT IN A MOMENT, BUT WE'VE GOT THAT OUT FOR OUR ARCHITECTURAL AND ENGINEERING AND MOVING FORWARD WITH THAT.
AS FAR AS DISASTER RECOVERY, WE'RE THANKFUL THE STORM DIDN'T HAVE ANY, THAT IT'S OVER AND WE DIDN'T SUSTAIN ANY MAJOR DAMAGE.
UM, BUT IT WAS ABSOLUTELY A GREAT PRACTICE RUN FOR US IN DISASTER RECOVERY.
WE DID SOME THINGS REALLY GREAT, OTHER THINGS WE NEED TO WORK ON AND SOME IMPROVEMENTS.
SO WE'RE DOING A AFTER ACTION REVIEW RIGHT NOW INTERNALLY AND GONNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE GONNA BE AS PREPARED AS POSSIBLE FOR VIEW FUTURE EVENTS.
SO WE HOSTED A MEETING LAST WEEK IN THE SHELL POINT AREA, UH, ON THIS PROJECT.
IT WAS WELL ATTENDED AND WELL SUPPORTED.
WE'RE MAKING GOOD PROGRESS ON THE OVERALL DESIGN AND THAT PROJECT CONTINUES TO MOVE FORWARD AS FAR AS AIRPORT TO PUBLIC SERVICE ANNOUNCEMENTS.
SO AS OF, UH, THIS WEEKEND WE ARE HOSTING, IS IT THE SECOND OR THIRD? THIRD ANNUAL FLYING FROG 5K.
UH, SO THIS IS THE RACE OUT AT THE BEAUFORT EXECUTIVE AIRPORT.
UH, IT'S ON THE RUNWAY, SO THE AIRPORT WILL BE SHUT DOWN FOR THE PERIOD.
IT STARTS IMMEDIATELY AT EIGHT O'CLOCK SO THEY CAN GET THE RUNWAY BACK STARTED.
SO IF YOU'RE GONNA TAKE LONGER THAN AN HOUR, YOU NEED TO WATCH THE PLANS YOU'RE COMING ABOVE BECAUSE THEY'RE GONNA START LANDING AS SOON AS THEY CAN GET IT OPEN.
UH, BUT NEEDLESS TO SAY, YOU CAN STILL APPLY, GO ONLINE, UH, IF YOU WANT TO PARTICIPATE, THIS IS THE LAST OF A THREE RACE SERIES, I BELIEVE.
SO THERE'LL BE SOME MEDALS NOT ONLY FOR THIS RACE, BUT ALSO FOR THE SERIES RACE.
SO HOPEFULLY IT'S GONNA BE A GREAT EVENT, UM, AS IT HAS BEEN IN THE PAST.
ALSO WITH THE AIRPORT COMING IN NOVEMBER AT THE HILTON HEAD AIRPORT, THERE'LL BE AN EVENT TAKING PLACE ON NOVEMBER 4TH AND FIFTH.
THIS IS THE HILTON HEAD ALLEN MOTOR EVENT.
SO IN ADDITION TO SEEING CARS AND MOTORS, UH, CLASSIC CARS, THERE'S ALSO AN AIRPLANE PORTION WHICH WILL BE, UH, VISIBLE THERE AT THE AIRPORT ON THOSE TWO DAYS.
SO IF YOU WANT MORE INFORMATION ABOUT THAT, YOU CAN CHECK IT OUT AT THE GO MO AT THE MOTOR EVENT WEBSITE, UM, THERE TO TAKE, TAKE PART OF THAT EVENT.
SO THAT IS EVERYTHING I HAVE AND IF YOU GOT ANY QUESTIONS, I LIKE ANY QUESTION OR COMMENTS, MARK, DON'T WANNA PUT YOU ON THE SPOT.
ONE IS THE BURKE CHURCH PROJECT, WHICH I KNOW YOU KEEP UPDATING ME ON, AND THEN ALSO JUST WHERE WE ARE WITH THE AL JOY FIGHT PATH.
SO BOTH OF 'EM ARE UNDER DESIGN.
UM, I CAN GET A MORE DETAILED RESPONSE FROM BRITTANY.
UM, BUT BOTH OF 'EM HAVE ENGINEERS WORKING ON THEM FULL SPEED AHEAD, SO I'M NOT SURE BEYOND THAT WHERE THEY ARE SPECIFICALLY.
BUT I CAN GET YOU A FURTHER UPDATE ON THAT.
I GUESS THAT'S ALL THE COMMENTS.
I GREAT PROGRESS ON THE ONE 70 AND A WHOLE BUNCH OF OTHER PROJECTS.
I THINK ONE 70 WE'VE GOT, I'M ALSO WORKING ON A, UH, A PLAN FOR, AND WE'LL GET INTO THIS IN JUST A SECOND TOO, BUT GETTING ONTO A PLAN FOR THE GREATER TRIANGLE PROJECT THAT WE MENTIONED BEFORE AND TRYING TO COME UP WITH A, AN APPROACH THAT WORKS FOR THE REGION, UH, REGIONAL APPROACH, NOT JUST US WORKING BY OURSELVES.
THAT QUESTION, YOUR COMMENT, UH, THE URGENT, UM, UM, INTERSECTION THAT SHOULDN'T TAKE LONG, DID YOU? AND PROBABLY IS GONNA BE ONE OF THE BEST THING THAT COULD EVER HAPPEN, UH, IN THAT AREA STUFF.
UH, AND I GUESS THE QUESTION WOULD BE HOW LONG OF, UH, TRANSITION IS THAT GOING TO BE BE? YEAH, SO REALLY NOT DOING ANY ASPHALT WORK THERE.
SO WE'RE GOING TO USE THE EXISTING FOOTPRINT AND THEN IF YOU'VE DRIVEN UP THERE, THERE'S A LOT OF TURN LANE AVAILABILITY AND CAPABILITY.
SO WE'LL TAKE, UH, ADVANTAGE OF EVERYTHING THAT'S THERE AND RETRIP IT.
UM, WE'LL WORK WITH THE CONTRACTOR AS SOON AS THEY GET AWARDED.
I THINK THERE'S GONNA BE SPOTS THAT THEY CAN GET STARTED RIGHT AWAY AND THAT WOULD BE ONE OF 'EM THAT COMES TO MIND FOR ME.
SO HOPEFULLY THAT CAN GET IMPLEMENTED EVEN SOONER THAN SOME OF THE OTHER WORK IN THE PROJECT.
UH, BY THE WAY, SARAH, I, THE SCREEN HERE IS NOT ON, SO IF SOMEBODY, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT CAN GO ON, BUT IF, IF NOT, KEEP AN EYE ON PEOPLE THAT ARE OFFLINE IF THEY'RE TRYING TO COMMENT, CUZ I JUST CAN'T SEE THEM.
THAT TAKES US TO ITEM NUMBER EIGHT,
[8. DISCUSSION ON THE FACILITY MASTER PLAN OPTIONS FOR THE LAW ENFORCEMENT CENTER, ADMINISTRATION BUILDING, AND DETENTION CENTER]
WHICH IS A DISCUSSION ON THE MASTER PLAN FOR FACILITIES.AND YOU MAY REMEMBER WE HAD A STUDY DONE ABOUT A YEAR OR SO AGO, AND, UH, JARED'S GONNA BRING US UP TO DATE ON THAT AND WHAT, WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING FOR.
I'VE GOT A FEW COMMENTS THAT I'VE PUT TOGETHER.
AND AS PART OF THIS, UH, WE LEARNED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT SOME POTENTIAL FUNDING MECHANISMS WHEN WE WERE LOOKING AT THE AIRPORT FUNDING, AND THAT WOULD TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT AND THAT MAY BE HELPFUL AS WE'RE THINKING ABOUT HOW TO GET SOME OF THESE, UH, PROJECTS DONE.
SO AS MENTIONED, WE STARTED THIS PROCESS OFF ABOUT A LITTLE OVER A YEAR AND A HALF AGO IN 2020.
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AND IN THE 2021 WE MADE FINAL PRESENTATION, THE CONSULTANTS DID IN OCTOBER OF 2021.UH, THEY CAME WITH THE WHOLE ENTOURAGE AS FAR AS EVERYTHING THAT WAS STUDIED.
THEY DID A SPACE NEEDS ANALYSIS, WHAT DO WE HAVE NOW LEVEL OF SERVICE, WHAT ARE WE GONNA NEED IN THE FUTURE OVER THE NEXT 30 YEARS TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE CONTINUATION OF SERVICE AND ADEQUATE SERVICE TO THE, THE CITIZENS OF BEAUFORT COUNTY.
SO WITH THAT, OUT OF THE SPACE NEEDS SCHEME OUT, WELL, HOW MUCH PROPERTY DO WE NEED OR HOW MUCH SPACE DO WE NEED PER, PER BUILDING AND SUITE OF BUILDINGS? WHICH THEN CAME THE FACILITIES MASTER PLAN.
SO OUT OF THAT FACILITY'S MASTER PLAN, THERE WAS BASICALLY THREE MAJOR STUDY OR THREE MAJOR SITE PLANS THAT WERE DEVELOPED HERE FOR THIS CAMPUS.
THERE WAS ALSO SOME AUXILIARY BUILDINGS, UM, THE, THE EMS HEADQUARTERS, PUBLIC WORK, SHANKLIN, UH, THE MEF BUILDING, AND A COUPLE OTHER ACCESSORY BUILDINGS, UH, THAT WEREN'T NECESSARILY INCLUDED INTO THE SITE PLAN, BUT, BUT SPREAD OUT THROUGHOUT THE CAMPUS.
THOSE WERE KIND OF PERIPHERAL PROJECTS.
UM, SO AS YOU RECALL, WE'VE, WE'VE INITIATED SOME OF THE ENGINEERING AND ARCHITECTURAL ON, ON TWO OR THREE OF THOSE THREE OR FOUR OF THOSE PROJECTS.
AND WHERE WE ARE NOW AS A STAFF IS, IN ORDER TO MOVE FORWARD, WE NEED INFORMATION BACK FROM COUNCIL.
SO WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IT, BUT THERE'S REALLY HASN'T BEEN ANY DECISION MAKING AND WE DON'T PER SE, NEED DECISION MAKING TODAY.
SO, UH, THE BIG THING IS WE HAVE A COUPLE SITE PLANS, AND ON EACH OF THE SITE PLANS, THERE'S A COUPLE MOVING PARTS.
AND IN ORDER FOR STAFF TO COME BACK TO COUNCIL AND SAY, HERE'S AN IMPLEMENTATION PLAN, AS WELL AS A FUNDING PLAN ON HOW WE'RE GOING TO IMPLEMENT WHAT'S BEEN STUDIED AND PROVIDED IN THE FACILITIES MASTER PLAN, WE NEED DIRECTION ON A COUPLE OF THOSE PARTS SO WE CAN SOLVE THIS JIGSAW PUZZLE.
SO WITH THAT, I'LL KIND OF GO THROUGH THE SITE PLANS AND KIND OF TEE IT UP AND THEN OFFER IT BACK TO YOU, UH, COUNCILMAN RODMAN FOR DISCUSSION PURPOSES, IF THAT WORKS.
SO IF WE CAN PULL UP THE FIRST, SO AS WE'RE PULLING UP, THESE THREE ARE SPECIFICALLY HERE ON THIS CAMPUS.
ALL THE ONES THAT WE'LL SEE ARE ROUGHLY THE SAME.
AND WHEN I SAY ROUGHLY, WE'RE TALKING IN, IN MEGA MILLIONS, SO ROUGHLY IS RELATIVE TERM
AND IF YOU CAN ZOOM IN A LITTLE BIT, IS THAT AS MUCH AS YOU CAN
I KNOW, UM, WHITNEY'S HEART IS, SHE'S PALPITATING OVER THERE.
UH, BUT WE'LL, WE'LL FIGURE THAT PART OUT.
UM, SO THE DIFFERENCE IN THE COUPLE DIFFERENT OPTIONS, AND I'LL DESCRIBE 'EM AND THEN AGAIN, WE CAN COME BACK TO 'EM.
SO THE, THE LEAST IS AROUND 308 MILLION, WHICH IS THIS FIRST OPTION, UP TO 330 MILLION.
SO WE'LL, WE'LL TALK THROUGH THAT.
I'M GONNA HAVE TO UNDO THIS SOME SIDEWAYS SO I CAN READ IT.
SO THIS FIRST ONE, THE BIG DIFFERENCE ON THIS ONE, THEY'RE ALL, FIRST OF ALL, LET ME BACK UP.
WHAT'S THE SAME ON ALL OF 'EM AS THE DETENTION CENTER? SO IN ALL THE OPTIONS, THE DETENTION CENTER, UH, AS IT NEEDS FOR EXPANSION BASICALLY ENCOMPASSES THE EXISTING LAW ENFORCEMENT CENTER AND IS REHAB TO MAKE IT FIT ITS NEEDS AND A LITTLE BIT OF ADDITIONAL WORK TO FILL IN SO THEY CAN CONNECT TO THE OTHER PARTS OF THE EXISTING DETENTION CENTER.
SO THAT IS CONSTANT ON ALL THREE OF THESE AS WELL AS THE COURTHOUSE AND THE NEW ARTHUR HORN BUILDING.
THOSE, THOSE REMAIN AS CONSTANTS.
UM, SO WE'LL TALK ABOUT THE OTHER ONES.
THE MAJOR PARTS ARE ADDITIONAL COURT FACILITIES, UH, THE LAW ENFORCEMENT CENTER AND THE ADMINISTRATIVE BUILDING.
SO ON THIS PLAN ONE, WHAT WE HAVE THERE ON THE CORNER IS A NEW THREE STORY, UM, ADMINISTRATION BUILDING.
SO THIS IS ABOUT 90,000 SQUARE FEET.
UM, ADDITIONAL PARKING MAY OR MAY NOT BE REQUIRED DEPENDING ON THE SITE PLAN THAT'S, THAT'S CHOSEN.
UM, ALSO THE EXISTING AR THE EXISTING ADMIN BUILDING THAT WE'RE IN RIGHT NOW GETS REPURPOSED.
SO, AND I GUESS THAT HELPS TO EXPLAIN, I'M NOT MUCH ON COLORS, BUT THE DARKER COLOR IS A NEW BUILDING, A NEW STRUCTURE, AND THE LIGHTER COLOR IS THE EXISTING BUILDING OR REHAB.
SO THE EXISTING ADMIN BUILDING GETS REHABBED AND REPURPOSED FOR EXISTING, FOR ADDITIONAL COURT SPACE.
SO THEY'LL REPURPOSE THAT ONE.
AND THEN THE MOST NOTABLE, WHAT'S MISSING IS THE LAW ENFORCEMENT CENTER.
SO ACROSS THE STREET THERE FROM THE, THE NEW ADMIN BUILDING IS A POTENTIAL AREA OF RELOCATION FOR THE LAW ENFORCEMENT CENTER OR A VARIOUS OPTION, WHICH I, I'VE GOT LATER IN THE SLIDES, JUST SOMEWHERE ELSE.
UM, THIS OPTION WOULD NEED SIGNIFICANT PARKING ISSUES, UM, AS FAR AS PROBABLY A RAISED LOT IN THIS CONCERN.
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IS BASICALLY PLAN ONE.IS THERE ANY, ANY QUESTIONS ON PLAN ONE BEFORE I'VE KIND OF BREEZED THROUGH THE OTHER ONES? YOU'VE ALL SEEN THIS BEFORE, BUT JUST REITERATING WHAT THE DIFFERENCES ARE.
WHERE'S THE ADMIN BUILDING? THE ADMIN IS THE ONE ON THE CORNER.
SO THAT BASICALLY ACROSS FROM THE COURTHOUSE, THE, UH, CITY HALL.
SO YOU GOT A, UM, A NEW ADMIN BUILDING AND A FUTURE ADMIN BUILDING, SAME SIZE? NO.
SO THAT FUTURE ONE TO THE LEFT IS A POTENTIAL BUILDING.
IT COULD BE DETERMINED, IT COULD BE FUTURE SPACE, IT COULD BE COMMERCIAL SPACE.
IT'S JUST A BUILDING PAD AND YOU GOT THREE STORIES AND A AND A PARKING UNDER IT IF NECESSARY.
SO IT'S EITHER THREE STORIES OR TWO OR TWO STORIES WITH PARKING, DEPENDING ON THE NEED.
UM, THE ONE I HAVE A QUESTION IS, UM, THE NEW, I MEAN THE OLD ADMINISTRATIVE BUILDING, I GUESS THAT'S WHAT THAT IS.
UM, THAT'S THE SITE FOR THE SOLICITOR OFFICE AND THE PUBLIC DEFENDER.
SO THIS IS GONNA NEED A SPACE BASED OFF THE SPACE NEEDS ASSESSMENT.
THAT'S WHAT THE, THE CONSULTANT TAUGHT THROUGH ALL THE DIFFERENT COURT SYSTEMS AND YES.
SO THERE WAS ADDITIONAL SPACE ACCOMMODATED IN THAT, IN THAT BUILDING FOR THAT PURPOSE.
THANK JARED, THIS IS COUNCILMAN DAWSON.
LOOKING AT THE LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICE, UH, ACROSS THE STREET, UH, YOU SAID PARKING IS PROBLEMATIC.
UH, THERE'S NO MEANS OF GETTING PARKING OVER THERE ON THAT SITE.
UM, IN THAT SCENARIO, IF THE PARKING WAS ON THE SITE, IT WOULD MOST LIKELY HAVE TO BE UNDERNEATH OR, UH, LOOKED AT ADDITIONAL PARKING SOMEWHERE ELSE IN THAT VICINITY.
UM, THE OLD SHERIFF, OH, I SAID OLD SHERIFF BUILDING.
SHERIFF BUILDING IS NOT GONNA BE RAISED.
SO IT'LL BE RENOVATED INTO THE DETENTION CENTER.
IN ALL THREE OF THESE OPTIONS.
SO THIS ONE, THERE IS A, THE NEW ADMIN BUILDING IS, UM, LET ME PLACE IT IS.
SAME THING THERE ON THE CORNER.
UM, THIS DOES SHOW THE LAW ENFORCEMENT CENTER ACROSS THE STREET.
SO THAT IS LOCATED AT THIS LOCATION INSTEAD OF OFFSITE.
AND REALLY THE BIGGEST DIFFERENCE ON THIS ONE IS THE EXISTING ADMIN BUILDING IS DEMOLISHED AND THE SPACE NEEDED FOR THE COURTS IS ADDED ONTO THE EXISTING COURTHOUSE.
SO THAT IS KIND OF THE MAIN DIFFERENCE ON THIS PLAN.
AND AGAIN, YOU CAN SEE BACK OVER AT THE LAW ENFORCEMENT CENTER SOME POTENTIAL, UM, PARKING AND EXPANSION NEEDS OVER THERE.
SO NOT A LOT DIFFERENT, BUT JUST A COUPLE TWEAKS THERE.
AND THEN LASTLY IS PLAN THREE.
SO THIS ONE IS KEEPING THE ADMIN BUILDING WHERE IT IS AND RENOVATING IT AND MAKING A, AN ADDITION TO THE NORTH.
AND THAT IS ALL THE NEW LAW ENFORCEMENT CENTER.
THEN ACROSS THE STREET IS, WOULD BE THE NEW ADMIN BUILDING.
AND THEN, UM, THE COURTHOUSE, THE ADDITION TO THE COURTHOUSE IS THE PUBLIC, IS THE, UH, IS THE ADDITIONAL COURT SPACE NEEDED AS AN EXISTING OR ADD-ON TO THE EXISTING COURTHOUSE? SO THIS THE MAJOR DIFFERENCE IN THIS PLAN.
SO THIS ONE, BASICALLY, INSTEAD OF THE LAW ENFORCEMENT CENTER BEING OFFSITE, IT'S REPURPOSED ON SITE AND PRETTY MUCH EVERYTHING JUDICIAL OR OR LAWFUL IS ON THE SITE PLAN.
THE ADMIN BUILDING IS OFF TO THE SIDE OR ELSEWHERE.
ONE THING NOT DISCUSSED AT THE TIME OF THIS REPORT IS THE ADMIN BUILDING BEING ANYWHERE ELSE IN THE COUNTY.
UM, THE NEXT SLIDE DOES SHOW THE LAW ENFORCEMENT CENTER BEING ELSEWHERE.
SO THIS IS KIND OF BACK TO SLIDE ONE.
THE, THE FIRST OPTION SHOW THAT THE LAW ENFORCEMENT CENTER COULD BE ACROSS THE STREET OR ELSEWHERE.
SO THIS SITE IS ACTUALLY NEXT TO THE ANIMAL HOSPITAL.
THIS IS FOR SITE PLAN PURPOSES ONLY, THAT THAT SITE IS RURAL AND CRITICAL LANDS PROPERTY.
BUT JUST TO GIVE YOU THE, THE SPACE AND THE LOGISTICS.
SO IT IS LOOKING FOR SOMEWHERE MORE CENTRAL AND REGIONAL OR CENTRAL TO THE REGION AND, AND THE COUNTY.
SO THIS WOULD BE A LAW ENFORCEMENT CENTER ALL BY ITSELF.
UM, SO IT HAS EVERYTHING THAT WOULD IT NEED, UH, TO FUNCTION AND, AND ALL THE DIFFERENT
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COMPONENTS OF LAW ENFORCEMENT CENTER WOULD BE CONSOLIDATED INTO THIS UNIT.SO THIS, UM, ON ITS OWN IS ABOUT 110 MILLION, $112 MILLION.
UH, IF YOU SUBTRACT THAT FROM THE FIRST SITE PLAN, YOU HAVE ABOUT 194 MILLION, UH, MINUS THE LAW ENFORCEMENT CENTER OFFSITE.
SO YOU PUT THOSE TWO TOGETHER AND YOU GET TO ABOUT THE 3 0 8.
SO AGAIN, THAT WAS OUT OF ALL OF THEM, THEY'RE FAIRLY CLOSE IN VALUE, 20, 20 MILLION OR SO, 10%.
SO, UM, THEY'RE, THEY'RE RELATIVELY CLOSE.
SO THIS IS THE PREFERENCE OF WHAT WE NEED COUNSEL.
SO WE DON'T NECESSARILY NEED THE EXACT LOCATION.
WHAT WE NEED, UH, FROM COUNSEL, WHETHER IT'S TODAY OR SUBSEQUENT CONVERSATIONS, IS DIRECTION ON HOW TO MOVE FORWARD WITH TWO COMPONENTS, SPECIFICALLY THE LAW ENFORCEMENT CENTER AND THE ADMIN BUILDING.
AND FROM THAT, UM, WE CAN COME BACK AND SAY, OKAY, WELL NEXT STEP IS THIS FOLLOWING STEP, IS THAT, AND MOVE FORWARD AND COME WITH THE IMPLEMENTATION PLAN.
AND THEN THE FUNDING ELEMENT, THE ACTUAL LOCATION OF THE ADMIN BUILDING OR THE ACTUAL LOCATION OF A OFFSITE LAW ENFORCEMENT CENTER IS NOT WHAT WE NEED DISCUSSION ON.
WE CAN DECIDE THAT LATER, JUST WHETHER IT'S ON THIS CAMPUS OR NOT.
SO THAT'S ALL THE INFORMATION THAT I HAVE.
I CAN DEFINITELY GO BACK TO ANY SLIDES OR ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
I, I HAD A QUESTION, MR. CHAIRMAN? YES.
UM, IF YOU HAD A SEPARATE LAW ENFORCEMENT CENTER, CAN YOU LIST AGAIN WHAT WOULD BE IN THAT CENTER? UM, IF IT WAS, IF IT WAS SEPARATE FROM THE MAIN CAMPUS? YEAH, SO I'LL LIST AS MUCH AS I CAN BASED OFF THIS.
SO THEY HAVE, UH, FORENSICS EVIDENCE, DRIVE-THROUGH VEHICLE PROCESSING, UH, EM, BUNK WITH THE LAW ENFORCEMENT CENTER, UH, COMMAND AND PATROL COVERS STORAGE, THE TACTICAL FLEET WAREHOUSE, AND ALL THE ADMINISTRATIVE FUNCTIONS.
I THINK THE ONLY ONE THAT WAS NOT CONSIDERED IS THE SLED AGENCY WHERE THEY HAVE THEIR OWN BUILDING OFFSITE ALREADY ON ONE 70.
I THINK ALL OTHER FUNCTIONS IN THE SHERIFF'S, UH, REALM WOULD BE ENCOMPASSED INTO THIS UNIT IN THIS BUILDING.
IF YOU'D GO BACK TO OPTION THREE, JUST A MOMENT.
AND WE LOOK AT THE ADMIN BUILDING.
I THOUGHT I SAW, UM, 52 PARKING SPACES, IS THAT CORRECT? SO THE ADMIN BUILDING IS ON THE, ON THE RIGHT SIDE THERE.
AND THEN THERE'S SOME PARKING SPACES THAT WOULD BE ENCOMPASSED ON THE EXISTING SITE.
AND THEN THEY WOULD, THERE, I GUESS THE SITE BELOW THE, UH, THE ONE PARCEL WOULD BE AN ADDITIONAL 52 SPACES.
I THINK THAT'S WHAT THAT'S REFLECTING.
ONE, OBVIOUSLY I LIKE THE IDEA OF HAVING THE, UH, LAW ENFORCEMENT CENTRAL LOCATED, BUT HOW AS IMPORTANT IT FOR IT TO BE NEXT TO THE N NO, NOT IN PER, THAT WAS AT A TIME WHEN WE WERE GOING THROUGH THE PROCESS WITH THE CONSULTANT.
THAT WAS JUST A PROPERTY WE PICKED.
WE PROBABLY WOULD'VE JUST BEEN AS GOOD TO DRAW IT ON A RECTANGLE SHEET OF PREP, UH, PROPERTY.
SO IT DIDN'T HAVE ANY REFLECTION AS FAR AS THAT LOCATION.
SECOND QUESTION IS, WHICH ONE OF THESE OPTIONS DO YOU THINK GIVES US THE MOST COMPACT CAMPUS THAT WE STILL HAVE SPACE TO EXPAND LATER ON AFTER WE SPEND THE 300 MILLION
SO IF LAW ENFORCEMENT CENTER WAS OFFSITE AND ADMIN CENTER OR OFFSITE, YOU WOULD HAVE THE MAX FLEXIBILITY.
ANOTHER THING THAT WASN'T CONSIDERED, UH, IS A REGIONAL DETENTION CENTER.
SO OUT OF ALL THESE OPTIONS, NO MATTER WHAT HAPPENS, THE DETENTION CENTER IS THE LAST ONE.
THE MOVE, BECAUSE IT'S TWO OR THREE STEPS BEFORE IT CAN EXPAND, THE LAW ENFORCEMENT CENTER'S GOTTA BE BUILT OR CONSTRUCTED OR, OR REHABBED.
UM, SO IF THERE'S ANY POTENTIAL FOR A REGIONAL DETENTION CENTER, UM, THOSE WOULD BE THREE WAYS TO MAXIMIZE YOUR FUTURE SQUARE FOOTAGE ON THIS SITE.
LET, LET ME, UH, SUMMARIZE A COUPLE THINGS AND WOULD YOU GIVE THESE FAIR YOU MIND? YEP.
ONE TO MARK TOO, IF YOU WANNA WRITE UP.
UM, I TOOK THE LIBERTY OF SUMMARIZING A LITTLE BIT OF THIS AND IT OVERLAPS, UH, SOME OF WHAT, WHAT, UH, JARED TALKS ABOUT, TALKED ABOUT.
BUT, UH, HOPEFULLY IT'LL LEAD TO A, UH, A GOOD DISCUSSION.
UM, I DUNNO IF YOU CAN PUT THAT UP ON THE SCREEN FOR US.
DO YOU KNOW, I LIKE TO SUMMARIZE THINGS.
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THING I LEFT OUT IS ONCE YOU GUYS DECIDE, OH, I'M GLADLY GONNA TURN RIGHT, EXIT STAGE LEFT, AND HAND THIS OFF TO, TO ERIC FOR HIM TO IMPLEMENT.SO, UM, WHILE I'M WORKING ON IT NOW, ERIC'S GONNA BE THE ONE CARRYING THE TORCH IN THE FUTURE.
WELL THIS IS AN INTERESTING OPPORTUNITY AND JUST, UH, TO WALK THROUGH A COUPLE THINGS THAT THE STUDY BASICALLY LOOKS AT ABOUT A 60% INCREASE IN THE, UH, NUMBER OF EMPLOYEES AND ABOUT AN 80% INCREASE IN THE, THE SPACE, WHICH IS CONSISTENT WITH THE FACT THAT SOME OF THE SPACES ARE UNDERSIZED.
AND I, I THINK, UH, AS I LOOK AT THE POTENTIAL GROWTH IN BLUFFTON, THEY'LL PROBABLY LOOK AT DOUBLING THE, THE COUNTY.
SO THE, THE, THE BROAD PARAMETERS LOOK LIKE THEY MAKE SENSE.
UM, JARED MENTIONED THE, UH, THE, THE THREE OPTIONS, AND YOU CAN SEE THEY'RE ALL ABOUT THE, THE SAME DOLLAR AMOUNT ON, ON THIS CAMPUS.
UM, AND HE DID A GOOD JOB OF SUMMARIZING WHAT THE DIFFERENCES WERE.
OBVIOUSLY THE ADMINISTRATION WOULD LOVE SOME DIRECTION.
THE OPTION COSTS ARE SIMILAR OVERALL, INCLUDING EVERYTHING'S PROBABLY MORE ON THE ORDER OF 400 MILLION.
AND IF WE LOOK AT THE CURRENT INFLATION, IT'S PROBABLY PUSHING HALF A BILLION.
UM, BUT WHATEVER WE'RE GONNA DO, IF PROBABLY TIMELY TO CONSIDER WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO FOR THE LAND, UM, FUNDING, UH, FACILITIES IS A LITTLE MORE DIFFICULT THAN OTHER THINGS LIKE TRANSPORTATION PROJECTS, NOT A LOT OF SIZZLE FOR THE, UH, THE PUBLIC.
UM, SO IT, IT CAN BE A BIT PROBLEMATIC.
UM, ONE OF THE THINGS WE'VE LEARNED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT, WE'LL TALK ABOUT IS THE INSTALLMENT PURCHASE, WHICH, WHICH MAY BE HELP US WITH THAT.
AND AT, AT THE END OF THE DAY, I THINK A LOT OF THIS WHOLE THING IS, UH, IS A POLITICAL DECISION ABOUT WHERE WE WANT THE, THE TWO FUNCTIONS THAT WE'RE, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
SO, UH, STOP ME ALONG THE WAY IF YOU WANT TO.
BUT, UH, SECOND PAGE, UH, AND AGAIN, THIS IS JUST RECAPTURING WHAT, UH, JARED SAID ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE ARE THE THINGS THAT ARE COMMON TO ALL THREE OF THE, THE OPTIONS.
UM, BASICALLY ACQUIRING THAT CORNER, UH, JUDICIAL, UH, EXPANDING, UH, DETENTION CENTER, EXPANDING ON SITE.
UH, I MISS THE FACT THAT WE WERE NOT GONNA DEMOLISH BUT RATHER FOLD THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE INTO THE DETENTION CENTER.
UH, THERE IS A ROOM ON THE, UH, FOR A THREE STORY, UH, 90,000 SQUARE FOOT OPTION.
AND THERE'S SOME STORM WATER WORK THAT NEEDS DOING.
UM, THE, THE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN THE THREE, JUST TO, TO RECAP OPTION ONE, AND HAS THE LAW ENFORCEMENT CENTER GOING OFFSITE TO A SITE BE DETERMINED? AND, AND BY THE WAY, THE NUMBERS IN PARENTHESES ARE THE SQUARE FOOTAGES AND THOUSANDS.
UM, THE, UH, IT HAS THE, THE NEW ADMINISTRATION BUILDING AND THE OLD ADMINISTRATION BUILDING BEING, UH, REMODELED AND TURNED OVER TO, UH, JUDICIAL.
UH, OPTION TWO HAS THE NEW L E C AT THE TO BE PURCHASED INTERSECTION AT BOUNDARY AND REBUILT ACROSS THE STREET.
IT HAS THE NEW ADMINISTRATION BUILDING AND IT HAS THE COURTHOUSE EDITION.
AND, UH, OPTION NUMBER THREE HAS A, THE NEW L E ON CAMPUS, THE ADMIN BUILDING, UM, GOES TO THE, WHERE, I MUST FORGOT WHERE IT GOES, BUT ANYWAY,
ANYWAYS, THERE'S A, THE NEW ADMINISTRATION BUILDING, I'M SORRY.
YEAH, THE, UH, ADMIN BUILDING, AS JARED SAID, THAT THAT BECOMES THEN PART OF THE E ON SITE, UH, LAW ENFORCEMENT CENTER.
THEN THE ADMIN BUILDING WOULD BE ACROSS THE STREET ON THE, TO BE ACQUIRED AND THERE'D BE THE NEW COURTHOUSE, JUSTIN.
SO A A LOT OF MOVING PIECES, BUT BY AND LARGE THOUGH, THOSE ARE WHAT THE PIECES ARE.
SO, UM, NUMBER THREE IS KIND OF A, BY THE NUMBERS TYPE LOOK AT THE, UH, AT THE CAMPUS.
UM, AND JUST TO KIND OF RUN DOWN THE, THE PAGE OPTION NUMBER ONE, IT'S ABOUT 195 MILLION FOR THE WORK ON THE CAMPUS, 113 FOR THE WORK IF THE E WENT OFF CAMPUS.
AND THEN IF YOU ADD UP ALL THE MISCELLANEOUS STUFF THAT IS ALSO IN THE PLAN, UH, THAT ARE BEYOND THE CAMPUS, THAT'S ABOUT ANOTHER 72.
SO THAT TAKES US TO ABOUT, UM, THREE 80.
CONTINUING ON DOWN, UM, THE SQUARE FOOTAGE CURRENTLY ON CAMPUS, ABOUT 193,000 SQUARE FEET.
I WOULD GROW TO FOUR 11 AT THE 1 74 FOR THE, UH, L E OFF CAMPUS, THAT TAKES US TO ABOUT 5 85.
AND CURRENTLY ON THE PARKING, THERE'S ABOUT 656 SPOTS.
AND, UH, THEN WE GO SLIGHTLY UP TO 7 77, THEN YOU'D PICK UP THE SPOTS THAT WERE, UH, WITH THE L E OFF CAMPUS.
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INTERESTINGLY THOUGH, WHEN YOU DIVIDE THAT, YOU CAN STAY ON THAT SLIDE TO IT.INTERESTINGLY, IF YOU, UH, DIVIDE THE NUMBER OF PARKING SPOTS BY THE SQUARE FOOTAGE, YOU GET THE NUMBER OF PARKING SPOTS PER SQUARE FOOT OR PER THOUSAND SQUARE FEET.
AND, UH, THAT, IN THAT, IN THAT EXAMPLE OF OPTION ONE, THAT WOULD ACTUALLY GO DOWN COMPARED TO WHAT WE HAVE TODAY IN TERMS OF AVAILABLE SPACE, UH, OPTION TWO, SAME TYPE OF THINGS EXCEPT THE E'S ON CAMPUS, RIGHT AROUND 400 MILLION.
THINK THAT YOU ADD 591,000 SQUARE FEET ON THE CAMPUS.
AND OPTION THREE, SAME KIND OF CALCULATION YOU'RE AT THE 3 84 SQUARE FOOTAGE IS ABOUT THE SAME AND SLIGHTLY LESS ON THE PARKING SPOTS.
SO MY ONLY TAKEAWAY FROM LOOKING AT ALL THAT, IT, IT DOES APPEAR TO ME THAT THE PARKING GETS AWFUL TIGHT IF, IF WE TRY TO PUT EVERYTHING ON THE CAMPUS, WHICH I MEAN WE PROBABLY HAVE TO GO TO PARKING GARAGES.
OKAY, THE NEXT ITEM, NEXT PAGE.
UM, THIS IS JUST A LISTING OF ALL THE OTHER PROJECTS THAT ARE IN THE FACILITIES PLAN, UM, IN GOVERNMENT CENTER SOUTH IN BLUFFTON.
AND, AND YOU CAN SEE THE DOLLAR AMOUNTS AND THEY'RE KIND OF LISTED IN DESCENDING DOLLAR AMOUNT.
AND THE SQUARE FOOTAGES ARE, ARE SHOWING THERE, BUT INCLUDES THE PUBLIC WORKS THAT, UH, JARED MENTIONED THAT WE'RE GETTING READY TO GO OUT TO BID FOR.
THERE'S A SPECIAL OP SITE, UH, WE GOT THE SOLID WASTE SUSTAINABILITY CAMPUS.
UM, THERE'S AN EMS STATION, UH, UPGRADING HUMAN SERVICES IN THE BUILDING NOT TOO FAR FROM HERE.
WE GOT THE COURTHOUSE, WHICH IS UNDERWAY, A LITTLE BIT OF MONEY AT HILTON NET FOR THEIR GOVERNMENT CENTER AND WHATEVER WE DO WITH, UH, THE RESTAURANT.
SO IT, IT, IT STRIKES ME THAT THESE ARE ADDITIONAL ONES.
UH, IF THERE'S SOME PLACES THAT WE WANT TO HAVE SOME INPUT TO, WE CAN, BUT BY AND LARGE, I THINK THESE WOULD, WOULD GET SET IN THE FUTURE CIPS THAT ERIC WILL PUT TOGETHER.
AND, UH, AND THEN THESE WOULD THEN TEND TO COME BACK TO US ON A PROJECT BY PROJECT BASIS FOR APPROPRIATION OF MONEY.
BUT IT'S A PRETTY COMPREHENSIVE LIST.
AND THIS IS WHAT A 30 YEAR LOOK SEE, I THINK LOOKING OUT AS TO ALL THE THINGS WE NEED.
I THOUGHT IT WAS PRETTY GOOD STUDY ACTUALLY.
VERY GOOD STUDY THAT THEY PUT TOGETHER.
UM, PAGE FIVE, THIS IS THE, UH, FUNDING CONSIDERATIONS.
UM, AND IT, IT STRIKES ME, I CAN FIND THE PAGE FIVE.
SO, AS I SAID EARLIER, I THINK THIS KIND OF FUNDING CAN BE KIND OF DIFFICULT CUZ IT, IT STRETCHES BEYOND OUR 8% BORROWING CAPACITY.
AND UM, AND IT'S ALSO SOMETHING THAT'S NOT ALL THAT EXCITING TO GO OUT TO THE PUBLIC.
YOU KNOW, THEY CAN SEE IT A NEED FOR A, A ROAD REFERENDUM AND THEY CAN SEE THE NEED FOR TRANSPORTATION, BUT THEY SAY WE'RE GONNA BUILD A NEW ADMINISTRATION BUILDING THAT GETS TO BE KIND OF A TOUGH SELL GOING ON THE REFERENDUM BASIS.
AND OF COURSE THERE'S NO REVENUE FOR, UH, UH, A REVENUE BOND.
UM, SO ANYWAY, THAT'S KINDA DIFFICULT.
SO ANYWAY, UM, WHEN WE WERE LOOKING AT THE AIRPORT, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT CAME UP IN DISCUSSION ON MULTIPLE, UH, CHANNELS TALKING WITH BOND COUNCIL AND OUR FINANCIAL ADVISOR, UH, WAS THE ABILITY TO DO WHAT'S CALLED AN INSTALLMENT PURCHASE.
AND AS I UNDERSTAND IT IS BASICALLY, UM, A MORTGAGE SECURED BY THE FACILITY ITSELF AND THEN THE ANNUAL MORTGAGE PAYMENT OR DEBT SERVICE, IF YOU WILL, GOES INTO THE BUDGET AND GETS APPROVED EACH YEAR, UH, ALONG WITH EVERYTHING ELSE THAT WE APPROVE ON THE BUDGET.
AND IT TURNS OUT THIS, THIS IS BEING USED BY AN INCREASING AMOUNTS BY OTHER COUNTIES IN SOUTH CAROLINA AND OTHER PARTS OF THE, UH, COUNTRY.
AND THE STATE IS CONSIDERING SOME OF THIS TO WHAT THEY NEED TO DO TO CATCH UP WITH FACILITIES.
AND I THINK IT WORKS BEST WHERE YOU HAVE A NEW FACILITY THAT REALLY HOUSES A CRITICAL FUNCTION, UM, THAT IS ON A, UH, A SEPARATE SITE.
AND, AND THE REASON FOR THAT IS THE FALLBACK FOR THE PERSON THAT LEASES IT TO YOU IS THAT IF THE GOVERNMENT DEFAULTED, THEN THEY WOULD TAKE THE FACILITY AND THEN HAVE TO REPURPOSE IT.
SO SOMETHING LIKE A NEW ADMINISTRATION BUILDING THAT COULD BECOME AN OFFICE BUILDING IF WORSE CAME TO WORSE, UH, IS A LOT DIFFERENT THAN TRYING TO BORROW AGAINST A
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DETENTION CENTER THAT HAS A, A SINGLE PURPOSE.AND IT'S ALSO DIFFICULT TO DO THINGS THAT ARE, I THINK ON THE, ON THE BROAD CAMPUS CUZ IF WORSE CAME TO WORSE HOW WE JUST SPLIT IT OUT.
SO ANYWAY, IT, IT, IT DOES STRIKE ME THAT IT'S SOMEWHAT IDEAL IF WE WERE TO LOOK AT A, TO BE DETERMINED OFFSITE FOR THE LAW ENFORCEMENT CENTER AND OR THE ADMINISTRATION BUILDING.
AND IT, BECAUSE IT MEETS THE CONDITION THAT IT'S KIND OF NEEDED, IT'S KIND OF A CRITICAL FUNCTION, TENDS TO BE A HIGH COST, KIND OF DIFFICULT TO BOND.
IT'S NEW CONSTRUCTION, IT IS OFFSITE, UH, DON'T SEE A LOT OF OTHER ALTERNATIVES THAT WE CAN USE.
AND, UM, THIS IS A GOOD OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO UNDERSTAND THE INSTALLMENT PURCHASE AND SEE IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT REALLY DOES MAKE SENSE OR IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE WOULDN'T WANT TO DO AS A, AS A COUNTY.
SO LASTLY, IN COMING TO JARED'S POINT ON, YOU KNOW, WHERE WE GO FROM HERE, A POSSIBLE ALTERNATIVE FOR DISCUSSION WOULD BE THAT ESSENTIALLY TAKE THIS CAMPUS AND MAKE IT INTO THE JUDICIAL CENTER FOR THE COUNTY.
OBVIOUSLY IT'S THE COUNTY SEAT AND I DON'T THINK THE COURTHOUSE SHOULD MOVE AWAY FROM THERE.
UM, THERE'S PRETTY SIZABLE EXPANSION OF THE JUDICIAL ACTIVITIES THAT ARE ANTICIPATED IN THE FINANCIAL PLAN.
UM, IT DOUBLES THE DETENTION CENTER, WHICH IS SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE VERY DIFFICULT TO, I THINK MOVE SOME SOMEPLACE ELSE.
UM, AND I, I THINK IT ADDRESSES AT LEAST MY LITTLE BIT OF A CONCERN ABOUT WHETHER WE'RE HAVE ENOUGH PARKING WHEN YOU TRY TO CRAM TOO MUCH STUFF IN, IF YOU MOVE THOSE OFF CAMPUS, THEY'D BE A LITTLE MORE CENTRALLY LOCATED TO THE, UH, POPULATION.
AND AGAIN, IT MIGHT BE SOMETHING THAT'S A LITTLE EASIER, UM, TO, UH, TO FUND SO WE CAN HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT WHAT WE THINK ABOUT WHERE WE OUGHT TO GO AND MAYBE ZERO IN ON WHAT KIND OF DIRECTION, IF ANY, UM, WE WANNA PROVIDE TO, UH, TO STAFF ON THIS OR MAYBE WE SOMETHING WE JUST START TO UNDERSTAND AND, AND COME BACK.
BUT ANYWAY, THAT, THAT'S A LOT TO THROW AT YOU, BUT LET ME JUST THROW IT OPEN FOR DISCUSSIONS, SEE WHAT YOUR, YOUR THOUGHTS ARE ON WHAT YOU'D LIKE TO SEE ON THE, ON THE FACILITY.
WELL, I'D LIKE TO SEE THE, UH, THE, UH, L E AND THE EMS MOVE SOUTH.
I MEAN THE, THE CRITICAL MASS IS MOVING SOUTH, IT'S MOVING FAST, VERY SOUTH VERY QUICKLY.
SO I THINK WE NEED TO GET A LOT OF OUR ASSETS DOWN THERE, UH, SOONER RATHER THAN LATER.
SO I'D, UH, I WOULD DEFINITELY SUPPORT AN L E AND A EMS IN, WE SAY OT.
UM, I MEAN IT HURTS ME BECAUSE THERE'S AN OLD LONG TIME BU FORTON TO SEE, SEE THE CENTER OF GRAVITY DISAPPEAR.
BUT THAT'S A PERSONAL PROBLEM.
UH, I MEAN FAR AS, AS FAR AS WHAT I THINK IS BEST FOR THE COUNTY, I, I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY IT.
I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THAT LOT ACROSS THE STREET.
UM, WHETHER WE NEED THAT OR NOT, THAT'S MY GUESS IS THAT WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO EXPAND ON THIS CAMPUS AS A JUDICIAL CENTER AND AS A, AN ADMIN CENTER.
SO WE'RE PROBABLY GONNA NEED IT.
SO I WOULD SAY PUT THAT INTO THE, PUT THAT INTO THE WORKS AS WELL.
I, MR. YOURS CHAIRMAN? NO, GO AHEAD.
YEAH, UM, I, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO CHIME IN AND SAY THAT, UM, OUT OF THE OPTIONS THAT WE HAD BEFORE, UM, I WOULD, THAT WE SHOULD KEEP THE, UM, ADMINISTRATION BUILDING AND, UH, AND THE, UM, COUNTY COUNCIL, UH, CHAMBERS IN THE HEART OF BUFORD BUIT IS, UH, IS THE HEART OF THE COUNTY.
AND SO I DON'T SEE US AND I DON'T SUPPORT MOVING THE ADMIN BUILDING, UH, OUTTA THE CITY OF.
WHAT WAS NEXT QUESTION ABOUT THE SHERIFF? UM, IS HE, UH, IS HE AWARE OF ANYTHING IN THE FACILITY PLAN? IS HE ENDORSED ANYTHING AT THIS TIME? HE, HE IS AWARE AND HE HAS NOT ENDORSED ANYTHING, HIS FEELING.
SO WE CAN DO WHATEVER WE WANT, WANT TO DO
IS THAT CORRECT, ERIC? I'M, I'M WITH, UM, PAUL THAT, UM, LAW ENFORCEMENT AND EMS, THEY COULD BE CENTRALLY LOCATED.
UM, I THINK PROPERTY WE COULD PROBABLY HOPEFULLY FIND SOUTH OF BROAD, I KNOW EXPENSIVE PROPERTY
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ON SOUTH OF BROAD, BUT MAYBE WE CAN FIND SOMETHING THERE.UM, AND, AND I'M WITH GERALD IS KEEPING THE ADMINISTRATION BUILDING HERE.
UM, AND, AND I THINK THE PROPERTY ACROSS THE STREET IS NOT EVEN, I WOULDN'T EVEN CONSIDER IT AT THIS TIME.
I, AT ONE TIME I THOUGHT ABOUT IT, BUT, UH, IT'S PROBABLY NOT EVEN WORTH CONSIDERING AT THIS TIME.
I THINK IF WE CAN, UM, TAKE LOOK, I LIKE OPTION ONE.
I DO NOT LIKE RAISING BUILDINGS.
I DON'T THINK THE GENERAL PUBLIC LIKE TO SEE BRICKS AND MORTAR BEING RAISED.
UM, IF YOU GOT A ELABORATED BUILDING YES, RAISE THAT.
BUT IF WE CAN RENOVATE BUILDINGS, LET'S DO THAT.
SO I'M NOT IN FAVOR OF RAISING THIS BUILDING RIGHT HERE, JUST USE WHAT WE HAVE, RENOVATE WHAT WE HAVE, ADD TO IT IF THE SITE WILL PERMITTED AND PARKING, I LIKE THE OPTION OF TWO STORIES VERSUS THREE STORIES WITH, UM, TWO STORIES WITH A PARKING LOT UNDERNEATH MM-HMM.
SO I KIND OF LIKE OPTION ONE, MR. CHAIRMAN.
UM, AND WORK AROUND THAT AND STUFF.
AND, AND ONE COMMENT TO, TO YOUR COMMENTS.
ONE MORE, ONE MORE QUESTION IN THERE.
UM, WHEN WE DEAL WITH THE DETENTION CENTER, IS JUVENILE ALSO INCLUSIVE IN THAT? I DON'T RECALL.
I DON'T KNOW IF I THINK THAT'S BEEN A PROBLEM FOR US AND I THINK WE NEED TO ADDRESS THAT IF WE CAN.
UM, AND ONE THING JUST TO HIT, AND YOU MENTIONED THAT THEY'RE HAVING SOMEWHERE ELSE FOR THE LAW ENFORCEMENT CENTER.
UM, THE TIME ISN'T, I MEAN THIS IS A LONG TERM PLAN, BUT, UM, THE MORE AND MORE WE WAIT, THE LESS AND LESS LAND THERE IS AVAILABLE, ESPECIALLY DOWN SOUTH, THERE'S LEISURE LESS LAND THAN UP NORTH.
UM, SO THAT'S SOMETHING TO CONSIDER TOO.
IF, IF THIS THING, THIS IS GREAT AND WE SIT ON IT FOR 10 YEARS, THEN OUR OPTIONS ARE EVEN GOING TO BE MORE RESTRICTED AND LIMITED AS TRYING TO FIND 10 OR 15 ACRES FOR SOMETHING OFFSITE.
SO JUST TO, JUST A POINT TO BE NOTED RIGHT NOW, I I WOULD AGREE WITH THAT.
AND SO IN MOVING FORWARD, IF THE CONSIDERATION IS FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT TO MOVE ELSEWHERE, UH, MORE CENTRALLY LOCATED, THEN WE NEED TO GO AHEAD AND SECURE DOWN ON THE, YOU MAY NOT, YOU MAY NOT BUILD IT ALL, BUT THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING AND WE CAN COME BACK WITH STAFF AND DEVELOP AN IMPLEMENTATION PLAN AND IT MIGHT BUY THIS PROPERTY.
THEN BUILD XYZ, THEN BUILD LAW ENFORCEMENT CENTER, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
THANK YOU ALICE? UM, YES, I I DO THINK, YOU KNOW, PUTTING EMS IN THE LAW ENFORCEMENT CENTER LOGISTICALLY MORE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE COUNTY MAKES SENSE.
UM, BECAUSE WHERE THEY HAVE TO GO AND, AND BE DISPATCHED TO, I I, I AGREE WITH, UM, THE, THE OTHERS ABOUT THAT THE HEART OF THE, OF THE COUNTY NEEDS TO REMAIN IN BEAUFORT COUNTY WAS ADMINISTRATION IN THE COURTHOUSE.
AND THEN IF IT'S MORE FEASIBLE TO GET SOME LAND IN THE OKEE AREA FOR EMS AND, AND THE LAW ENFORCEMENT, UM, THEN WE NEED TO START LOOKING RIGHT NOW AS WE WELL KNOW, BASED ON TRYING TO FIND A LOCATION FOR A LIBRARY TOO.
AND THAT AREA IS, IS GETTING MORE AND MORE DIFFICULT.
WHO HAS THAT JEFF, MARK? NO, AND I'LL SAY THE SAME THING I THINK YOU GUYS SAID WHEN I FIRST SAW THIS, UM, I THINK ALL THREE ARE GREAT PLANS.
IT'S LIKE GOING TO A RESTAURANT AND LOOKING AT A MENU AND SAYING, I WANT THE HAMBURGER OR THE CHICKEN SANDWICH OR THE RUBEN AND I'D BE HAPPY WITH ALL THREE.
THIS IS STATE, LIVE STEREO AND FISH.
UH, PAUL, I ASSUME YOU'RE GONNA NEED SOME DIRECTION FROM US TO START LAND SHOPPING DOWN IN OAT EE AND ALSO ON THE, UH, OLD PIGGLY WIGLEY BUILDING.
AND I THINK YOU MIGHT NEED, YOU NEED SOME DIRECTION ON WHETHER TO START LOOKING FOR AN OPTION ON THAT BUILDING.
I THINK WHATEVER THEY'RE DOING OVER THERE IS SHORT TERM, SO, UH, IT'LL BE AVAILABLE, BUT I, I SEE THAT AS BEING PART OF OUR LONG TERM PLAN AS WELL.
SO I THINK, UH, AND NOT HAVING DISCUSSED WITH ERIC AND WHITNEY, BUT I THINK JUST HEARING THE DIRECTION FROM, FROM THE COMMITTEE IS A, IS LOOK FOR SOMETHING OFFSITE, AT LEAST FOR THE LAW ENFORCEMENT CENTER AND POSSIBLY EMS, ADMIN BUILDING AND JUDICIAL CENTER UP HERE.
UM, I'LL CONSULT WITH ERIC AND WHITNEY.
WHAT FURTHER IS NEEDED, WHETHER WE NEED TO TAKE A ACTUAL FROM COUNSEL OR A RESOLUTION OR SOMETHING TO CODIFY THAT BECAUSE THERE'S, THERE'S GONNA BE MULTIPLE STEPS.
THERE'S, OKAY, HERE'S SOME DIRECTION AND THEN HERE GO FIND PROPERTY AND HERE GO IMPLEMENT, UH, A 10 YEAR PLAN, UH, FOR FUNDING.
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THERE'S A COUPLE OF STEPS NECESSARY.AND I DON'T KNOW RIGHT OFF THE HAND, NOT TO PUT YOU ON THE SPOT, IF, IF THERE'S A RESOLUTION NEEDED FOR ACTION TO SAY, OKAY, THIS IS, THIS IS THE, OR IT NEEDS TO GO TO COUNSEL, COUNSEL, I DON'T KIND OF, UM, PROBABLY WHAT WOULD BE THE BEST THING FOR YOU ALL TO DO IS TO, UM, MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO COUNSEL TODAY AS TO WHICH OPTION YOU WANT US TO PURSUE.
UH, AND THEN WE'LL PREPARE A RESOLUTION FOR COUNSEL, UH, FOR THE 24TH FOR YOU ALL TO ADOPT TO KIND OF GIVE SOME, UM, ASURITY TO THAT DIRECTION FOR STAFF SO WE'LL KNOW HOW TO PROCEED ON.
COULD YOU PUT UP OPTION THREE AGAIN? I'M SORRY.
AND SO THIS WOULD BE A RESOLUTION OF, UH, RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL FOR DIRECTION.
UM, AND AGAIN, WE WOULD HAVE SEVERAL TASKS.
IT'D BE PRETTY OPEN AND GENERIC, BUT ENOUGH TO GIVE STAFF DIRECTION TO COME BACK TO COUNCIL AND COMMITTEE.
SO THIS, UH, JUST TO EXPLAIN IT, SO THIS HAS THE ADMIN BUILDING UP THERE ON THE CORNER.
UM, THE EXISTING ADMIN BUILDING IS REPURPOSED IN THIS SCENARIO.
SO THAT'S EXTRA, UH, JUDICIAL SPACE.
THE DETENTION CENTER IS REPURPOSED INTO, OR THE EXISTING LAW ENFORCEMENT CENTER IS REPURPOSED INTO EXPANSION OF THE DETENTION CENTER AND THE LAW ENFORCEMENT CENTER IS OFFSITE IN THIS OPTION ONE.
SO FOLLOWING UP ON, I'M SORRY, PAUL, YOU NO, NO.
UH, FOLLOWING UP ON, ON SUGGESTION THAT IT PROBABLY LENDS ITSELF TO A RESOLUTION, UM, AND HEARING WHAT PEOPLE ARE SAYING.
DOES ANYBODY DISAGREE THAT OPTION ONE APPEARS TO BE WHAT WOULD SERVE US? WELL, WANT ME TO MAKE A MOTION? YEAH, GOOD.
UNLESS SOMEBODY OFF OFFLINE WANTS TO DISAGREE, I'LL MAKE A MOTION FOR, UH, TO PROCEED WITH OPTION ONE.
IS THERE A SECOND? ONE SECOND.
AND, AND THAT WOULD BE WITH OFFSITE L E, RIGHT? YES.
SUBJECT EMS IS GONNA BE OFFSITE ANYWAY.
WELL, EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT CENTER, WHICH IS PART OF THE L E WELL, SO LET ME BACK UP.
SO EMS HEADQUARTERS RIGHT NOW IS OFF DEPOT ROAD AND, AND FEEL FREE TO JUMP IN ANY TIME, PHIL, BUT RIGHT NOW AS SCHEDULED, THE EMS IS FUNCTIONING, EMS IS FUNCTIONING, ALSO HAS A STATION.
SO WHEN THEY'RE CITING THE NEW EMS HEADQUARTERS, THE INTENT IS FOR IT TO BE SOMEWHERE UP HERE, UH, IN CLOSE PROXIMITY SO THEY CAN SERVICE THE SAME STATION.
IF YOU RELOCATE IT TO SOMEWHERE CENTRAL, THEN THERE WOULD STILL NEED TO BE A NEED FOR A STATION UP HERE TO, TO PROVIDE FOR THIS SERVICE AREA UNLESS, UH, MISSTATED.
YEAH, I THINK THERE'S A LITTLE CONFUSION ABOUT WHERE EMS NEEDS TO GO TO.
UH, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT EMS, EMS NEEDS TO STAY WHEREVER OUR CALLS FOR SERVICE ARE.
WE HAVE TO LOOK AT RESPONSE TIMES AND I HAVE AN EIGHT MINUTE AND 32ND RESPONSE TIME TO MEET WITH OUR AMBULANCES.
SO WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT MOVING EMS, THERE'S ON DEPOT ROAD, EMS IS MADE UP OF A ADMINISTRATION AND TRAINING AND LOGISTICS AREA.
AND OUTTA THAT SAME PLACE, A UNIT RUNS OUT OF THERE TOO.
SO IT'S KIND OF A DUAL PURPOSE ON DEPOT ROAD, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT MOVING THE ADMINISTRATION TRAINING AND LOGISTICS SOMEWHERE.
AMBULANCES ARE NOT GONNA BE MOVING ALONG WITH IT.
AMBULANCES HAVE TO STAY IN THE AREAS THAT THEY'RE DESIGNATED TO BE AT IN ORDER TO COVER RESPONSE TIMES.
SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT'S CLEAR THAT, YOU KNOW, I KEPT HEARING EMS NEEDS TO GO SOUTH TO, YOU KNOW, DOWN TO OKEE.
WELL, I'M NOT PACKING UP ALL THE AMBULANCES AND MOVING THEM DOWN SOUTH.
I I THINK PART OF THE CONFUSION MIGHT HAVE COME FROM IS THAT THE EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT FUNCTION NEEDS TO FOLLOW THE L E BECAUSE THOSE TWO ARE TOGETHER NOW.
NOT, NOT THE EMS THAT YOU'RE, YEAH, AND I'M NOT GONNA GET INTO THAT PART OF IT, BUT I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE ARE CLEAR ON EMS BECAUSE EMS IS NOT GOING ANYWHERE OUT OF THESE STATIONS THAT ARE IN THE NORTH SIDE OF BURE COUNTY.
THEY'RE STAYING WHERE THEY'RE AT.
AND IF NOT ANYTHING, WE'RE GONNA BE ADDING MORE NORTH JUST AS MUCH AS WE DO SOUTH, UM, TO KEEP UP WITH THE POPULATIONS.
SO IF YOU, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT'S STRAIGHT.
YEAH, IF YOU, SO IF YOU MAKE A MOTION, YOU NEED TO SAY L E AND E O C, NOT EMS. EMS AND THE E O C ARE TWO ENTIRELY DIFFERENTLY.
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THAT'S WHAT I MEAN.OTHER COMMENTS? SO THE, THE QUESTION ON THE TABLE IS BASICALLY, DO WE WANT TO ADOPT OPTION NUMBER ONE? WHICH DOES IT, AS JARED HAS DESCRIBED IT, AND YOU STILL HAVE THE ADMINISTRATION BUILDING ON THE CAMPUS, AND I THINK, UH, IF THAT GIVES THE DIRECTION TO STAFF, THEN YOU ALL WOULD MAKE THAT INTO, UH, PLANNING EXERCISE.
AND PART OF THE FRONT END OF THAT WOULD PROBABLY HAVE TO BE STARTING TO THINK SERIOUSLY ABOUT WHAT LAND WE WANT TO ACQUIRE, CUZ THAT IS THE LONG LEAD ITEM.
UH, CAN'T WAIT ON, UM, DOES IT, DOES THAT SATISFY WHAT YOU ALL ARE LOOKING FOR? IF WE DO THAT RESOLUTION, WHAT THING WE NEED TO VOTE? NO.
I JUST SEEING IF WE'VE MISSED ANYTHING FROM WHAT AS WE STAFF EXPECTED, THAT'LL BE GOOD.
WE JUST NEED TO START MOVING QUICKLY CAUSE WE GOT SEVERAL OTHER BIG TICKET ITEMS. SO MS. CHAIRMAN, IS THERE, IS THERE A FUNDING COMPONENT COMING BACK WITH THAT RESOLUTION? NOT YET.
SO THIS WOULD BE A RESOLUTION JUST FOR DIRECTION THEM STAFF WOULD, WOULD TAKE THAT AND DEVELOP A PLAN AND THE PLAN WOULD ENCOMPASS A FUNDING COMPONENT.
I THINK WHITNEY'S GONNA HAVE TO WHAT KIND OF, UH, UH, FUNDING THAT WE WOULD ACTUALLY BE ABLE TO USE AND AFFORD AND THOSE TYPES OF THINGS.
IS THERE ANY OBJECTION TO, UH, THIS RESOLUTION AS PROPOSED TO GO TO COUNSEL, WHICH WOULD BASICALLY ADOPT OPTION ONE FROM THE FACILITY'S PLAN? UM, SEEING NONE, UM, THEN THAT RE RESOLUTION, UH, PASSES, UH, WITHOUT OBJECTION AND HOPEFULLY THAT'S WHAT, UH, WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR.
UH, THAT TAKES US TO DISCUSSION OF TRANSPORTATION PLANNING PROJECTS.
THIS IS JUST A QUICK UPDATE, JIM, BEFORE YOU GO THERE.
JUST WANNA MAKE CLEAR TO, UM, THE PUBLIC FACILITY BUILDING THAT'S ONGOING, RIGHT? THAT'S CORRECT, YES.
ALL RIGHT, SO THIS IS JUST A QUICK UPDATE.
THIS WAS ALREADY INCLUDED IN THE BUDGET AMENDMENT, UH, A $6 MILLION APPROPRIATION TOWARDS TRANSPORTATION PLANNING.
UM, BUT THIS IS JUST A, A LITTLE BIT OF A MORE FULLER EXPLANATION OF WHAT ALL'S INCLUDED IN THAT.
SO, UH, AGAIN, THIS IS IN LIEU OF THE SALES TAX, TRANSPORTATION SALES TAX.
THIS WAS AN APPROPRIATION, MADE OUT A GENERAL FUND IN ORDER FOR ENGINEERING TO GET STARTED ON SOME OF THE MAJOR PROJECTS AS WELL AS SOME OF THE BUCKET PROJECTS.
SO THAT SHOULD WE BE READY AND AVAILABLE IN TWO YEARS IN 24 FOR OUR TRANSPORTATION REFERENDUM, WE'VE GOT A HEAD START.
THIS WOULD NOT BE FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF THOSE PROJECTS, BUT JUST MERELY THE ENGINEERING TO GET THAT PROJECT STARTED AND MOVING DOWN THE PATH.
SO OUT OF THE $6 MILLION, THIS IS WHAT, UH, STAFF'S PLAN IS FOR THE USE OF THOSE FUNDS.
UH, 2 MILLION OF IT GO INTO THE TRIANGLE PRELIMINARY DESIGN.
SO AS WE MENTIONED, ONE 70, UH, BUT NOT STOPPING THERE LOOKING AT THE ENTIRE TRIANGLE.
WE'RE GONNA TRY TO PAIR THAT OUT WITH ADDITIONAL FUNDS FROM LATS AS WELL AS OUR OTHER, UM, PARTNERS IN HARDY, BILL AND, AND JASPER COUNTY.
SO, UH, CONTINUING TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT.
SO THIS IS, UH, LOOKING AT FROM THE TRAFFIC CIRCLE TOWARDS JASPER COUNTY, THAT SECTION IN PARTICULAR, AS WELL AS SOME POTENTIAL SAFETY IMPROVEMENTS CLOSER BACK TOWARDS, UH, THE EAST, UH, AT ANY SPECIFIC INTERSECTIONS THAT ARE CAUSING TROUBLE.
SO ONE AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS TOWARDS THAT.
AND THIS IS NOT NECESSARILY THE FULL COST OF THE ENGINEERING USUALLY ENGINEERING'S IN THE 10% RANGE.
SO IF YOU HAVE A, UH, A $40 MILLION PROJECT, YOU EXPECT $4 MILLION.
SO THIS IS JUST TO GET US GOING IN THE FIRST PHASE OF THAT AND WHAT WE THINK WE CAN EXPEND IN A, IN A TIMELY MANNER.
AND THEN LASTLY IS A MILLION DOLLARS TO REBO REIMAGINE REBO ROAD.
SO THIS IS, UH, WE'RE UNDERGOING NOW A PLANNING CHARETTE AS WELL AS A, A TRAFFIC COMPONENT TO THAT PLANNING CHARETTE.
SO WE CAN, CAN COME UP WITH A PLAN FROM BOON STREET ALL THE WAY TO THE BELL BRIDGE AND SOMETHING THAT MAKES SENSE FOR BOTH CITY OF BEAUFORD AND TOWN OF POOR ROYAL.
AND THEN, UH, OUT OF THE REST OF THE $6 MILLION GOT ONE AND A HALF MILLION.
SO ONE WENT TO SAFETY PROJECTS.
THERE'S A LOT OF SAFETY PROJECTS IN THE AREA, WHETHER IT'S A TURN LANE, A SIGNAL IMPROVEMENT, UM, JUST MINOR SAFETY IMPROVEMENTS THAT MAKE A, A LOT OF DIFFERENCE IN SPECIFIC TARGETED AREAS.
SO STAFF'S GOT A NUMBER OF THOSE KNOWN LOCATIONS WHERE WE GET SIGNIFICANT SAFETY REQUESTS.
SO WE'RE GONNA TAKE A LOOK AT THOSE AND START THE DESIGN ON SEVERAL OF THOSE INTERSECTION PROJECTS.
AND THEN LASTLY, A HALF A MILLION TOWARDS THE, ITS SO INTELLIGENT TRANSPORTATION AS MENTIONED, WE'RE COORDINATING WITH LOTS ON A MASTER PLAN ON THAT, SO DON'T THINK ANY OF OUR MONEY WILL NEED TO GO TOWARDS THAT.
MAYBE A LOCAL MATCH WHEEL, BUT THEN SPECIFICALLY SIGNALS SOME WIRELESS CONTROLLERS AS WELL AS,
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AS MENTIONED EARLIER, WITH THE TOWN OF HILTON HEAD, THEY'RE LOOKING AT AN ADAPTIVE SYSTEM.SO, UM, PUTTING IN THE BONES FOR SOMETHING ON TWO 70, ALL THE WAY FROM C PINES TO I 95.
SO THAT'S THE SORT OF PLANNING THOUGHT ON WHAT THOSE FUNDS WOULD BE USED FOR.
SO ANYHOW, JUST WANTED TO DO A LITTLE BIT FULLER, UM, FULLER DIVE ON WHAT THOSE FUNDS WERE AND TAKE ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT? QUESTIONS, COMMENTS? JUST UH, JUST ONE THAT I WOULD MAKE.
UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK WHEN WE STARTED DOWN THIS PATH, UH, PART OF THE CONCEPT WAS THAT WE WOULD BE, THESE ARE MORE OF INVESTMENTS IN THE SENSE THAT WE'RE INVESTING IN SOME PLANNING, ENGINEERING, AND PERMITTING, UM, REASONABLE PROBABILITY THAT WE GET PAID BACK WHEN THOSE PROJECTS COME.
SO WE'RE BASICALLY JUST ACCELERATING MONEY.
AND IN COURSE OF DOING THAT, I THINK IT POSITIONS US BETTER FOR WHATEVER YOU PUT IN THE TRANSPORTATION RESOLUTION IF YOU DO IT.
AND SECONDLY, I THINK IT POSITIONS US BETTER TO GET STATE AND FEDERAL MONEY THAN WE MIGHT OTHERWISE GET.
CAUSE THEY LOOK MORE SHOVEL READY HERE.
WELL, I MEAN, WE, WE JUST, UH, FOR THE RECORD, I WANNA REITERATE THAT WE ALREADY HAVE A COMMITMENT FROM SENATOR TOM DAVIS TO FIND AS MUCH FUNDING FOR US, UH, AS POSSIBLE.
CAUSE WE WENT WITH THE GREEN SPACE REFERENDUM INSTEAD OF, UH, THE TRANSPORTATION REFERENDUM THIS TIME.
SO, UH, ANYWAY, JUST, JUST STATING THAT FOR THE RECORD, THE CHECK'S IN THERE, RIGHT? CHECK'S IN THE MAIL CHECKS, CHECK'S IN THE MAIL FROM WHAT WE UNDERSTAND.
BUT THIS WILL, THIS WILL DEFINITELY BE ABLE TO ADVANCE THOSE PROJECTS AND PUT 'EM ON THE TABLE SO THAT WE'LL HAVE, UH, SOME GOOD COST ESTIMATES.
SO WHEN THAT STATE FUNDING COMES IN FOR THESE MAJOR PROJECTS.
AND, AND I TEND TO THINK ALONG THE WAY, NOT NECESSARILY THIS YEAR, BUT I, IF, IF IT STARTS TO WORK, THEN THERE MAY BE PLACES WHERE YOU HAVE EXCESS CASH, WHERE IT'S ACTUALLY A GOOD INVESTMENT, PARTICULARLY IF YOU CAN GET PAID BACK, UH, OUT OF THIS.
AND I, I THINK THE ONE 70 ANGLE THAT YOU TALKED ABOUT, THE TRIANGLE AND THE ONE 70, I THINK THAT POSITIONS YOU WELL TO GO FOR STATE INFRASTRUCTURE BANK.
THAT SEEMS TO ME THAT WOULD BE THE SINGLE BIGGEST ONE.
THAT WOULD BE A GOOD ONE TO GET FOR A LOT OF REASONS.
YOU GOT MULTI COUNTIES AND SO ON.
COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS ON THIS FOR, UH, JARED? OKAY.
WE DON'T, NO OTHER ACTIONS REQUIRED ON THAT.
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ITEM, AND I, I WON'T TAKE TOO LONG ON IT, BUT, UM, WANTED TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT, UM, WHERE WE ARE ON THE, THE TERMINAL FUNDING.WHAT ABOUT ITEM 10? WE GOTTA DO THE, OH, I'M SORRY.
I'LL SEE IF EVERYBODY'S PAYING ATTENTION.
WELL, WE'RE ALL PAYING ATTENTION.
WELL, YOU WILL ALL BE HAPPY TO KNOW THAT I'M NOT GONNA ASK FOR HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS IF THAT HELPS.
UH, IN FACT, I'M NOT GONNA ASK FOR ANY MONEY AT ALL.
WE THOUGHT YOU'D BRING US SOME MONEY, RIGHT? YEAH.
SO, UH, THE RESOLUTION THAT'S IN THE BACKUP REQUESTS A LAND SWAP.
THERE ARE TWO PARCELS KNOWN AS ONCE IT GETS UP ON THE SCREEN, THERE WE GO.
THE TOP LEFT PORTION IS KNOWN AS THE EVERGREEN TRACK.
BOTH OF THESE PARCELS ARE CURRENTLY IN RURAL CRITICAL LANDS.
UH, THE TOP LEFT PORTION IS 22.4 ACRES.
THAT WAS PURCHASED IN 2016, UH, FOR A MILLION DOLLARS.
IT WAS A, A SPLIT BETWEEN, UH, STORM WATER UTILITY AND THE RURAL CRITICAL PROGRAM, UH, WITH STORM WATER, PUTTING $156,000 INTO IT, UH, WITH THE PURPOSE OF BUILDING A STORM WATER POND TO ENSURE WATER QUALITY FOR THE WATERSHED THAT GOES INTO THE OKEE RIVER, UH, BY WHERE THE PEPPER HALL, UH, DEVELOPMENT IS NOW, THAT'S WHERE THIS OUT FALLS, UH, DOWNSTREAM.
THE LOWER PORTION IS THE NEW LEAF TRACK.
IT WAS PURCHASED FOR $2 MILLION.
UH, THE STORM WATER UTILITY PUT $165,000, UH, INTO THAT ONE.
WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING IS THIS.
SO THE TOP LEFT PORTION WE'RE PROPOSING TO SPLIT THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY INTO THREE SECTIONS, TRANSFER TWO OF THE SECTIONS OUT AND SWAP FOR OTHER PIECES OF PROPERTY.
THE TOP LEFT PORTION LABELED AS THE EVERGREEN TRACK WILL BE A, UH, 20 ACRE PLUS OR MINUS, DEPENDING ON WHERE THE WETLAND DELINEATION AND HOW THE STORM WATER POND IS DESIGNED, UH, TRACK OF LAND STANDALONE.
AND WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO DO IS BUILD A LIBRARY.
IF YOU CAN SEE MY CURSOR, THE STORM WATER POND THAT'S INDICATED, UH, WAS BUILT ABOUT A YEAR AGO.
AND THIS PORTION UP IN THE TOP LEFT CORNER IS WHERE WE WOULD LIKE TO BUILD A LIBRARY.
WE'RE PROPOSING TO BUILD A LIBRARY.
WHAT'S UNIQUE ABOUT THIS IS WE COULD TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE CURB CUT IN HIGHWAY ONE 70.
WE HAVE LEFT TURN ACCESS ACROSS
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THE MEDIA AND INTO THIS PROPERTY CURRENTLY.SO THERE WOULD, THERE'S NO MODIFICATION NEEDED ON ONE 70 TO FACILITATE ACCESS TO THE SITE.
IN ADDITION, WE'RE FAR ENOUGH NORTH OF THE WETLANDS WHERE WE COULD USE THE, UH, THE STORM WATER POND REDESIGN IT, WHERE IT, IT CURVES MORE IN A KIDNEY SHAPE, FUNCTIONS BOTH AS AN AESTHETIC AMENITY FOR THE LIBRARY AND ENSURES WATER QUALITY, UH, WHICH IS WHAT THE PROPERTY WAS PURCHASED FOR IN THE FIRST PLACE.
THE CENTER PORTION, THE NEW LEAF PARCEL A, IS ABOUT 46 ACRES.
THIS IS THE WATERSHED PROPERTY.
THIS IS THE LOW AREA ON THE PROPERTY.
THIS IS WHERE THE WATER FLOWS THROUGH.
UM, THERE'S A STORM WATER POND ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE, AND BOTH OF THESE PONDS WORK AS BMPS FOR, UM, SEDIMENT CONTROL AND WATER QUALITY.
IT COMES FROM WEST OF SUN CITY AND DOWN THROUGH THAT AREA, UNDERNEATH HIGHWAY ONE 70.
WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING IS TO KEEP THIS IN THE RURAL AND CRI IN, UH, RURAL AND CRITICAL LANDS PROGRAM.
THE BOTTOM PORTION IS AROUND 40 ACRES.
AND AS YOU CAN SEE, THE BROWN AREA, WE HAVE, UH, RECENTLY ABOUT A YEAR AGO TIMBERED THAT.
SO IT'S A BEAR PIECE OF PROPERTY.
WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO DO IS SUBDIVIDE THIS ON, UH, THE, THE SOUTHERN LINE THAT I'M OUTLINING HERE WITH THE CURSOR, AND BRING THIS OUT OF ROLLER CRITICAL LANDS FOR THE PURPOSES OF BUILDING BALL FIELDS.
SO IT WILL, SORRY, BUILDING WHAT BALL FIELDS? PARKS AND REC BALL FIELDS.
SO THERE WOULD BE NO DENSITY ADDED.
IT WOULD BE, UM, THERE WOULD BE NO ADVERSE EFFECTS OF WATER QUALITY.
WE WOULD DESIGN IT SUCH THAT THERE WOULD BE NO RUNOFF, UH, INTO THE, UH, THE LOW AREAS.
AND IN FACT, IT WOULD INCREASE WATER QUALITY BECAUSE OF HOW WE WOULD DESIGN IT.
THE ACCESS FOR THIS PARCEL WOULD BE DAVIS ROAD, WHICH ALSO HAS LEFT TURN ACCESS OFF OF HIGHWAY ONE 70.
UH, JUST BELOW WHERE MY CURSOR IS HERE IS, UH, A SCHOOL, WHAT'S THE NAME OF THAT SCHOOL? RIVER RIDGE RIVER.
RIVER RIDGE ACADEMY IS ACCESSED OFF OF, UH, BLUFFTON PARKWAY.
UH, THERE ARE TWO ROADS THAT WRAP AROUND THAT.
IT IS ADJACENT TO THE, THIS PROPERTY.
AND IN FACT, WHERE MY CURSOR IS NOW, THAT'S THE WRAPAROUND ROAD THAT GOES AROUND THE SCHOOL.
SO THE, THE QUESTION THAT I THINK WE REALLY NEED TO ADDRESS IS HOW DO WE MAKE RURAL AND CRITICAL LANDS WHOLE IF WE TRANSFER THIS PROPERTY OUT? WE CURRENTLY HAVE TWO PIECES OF PROPERTY IN OUR COUNTY INVENTORY THAT ARE NOT IN RURAL AND CRITICAL LANDS.
UH, WE'VE OWNED IT FOR, I DON'T KNOW, GOOD WHILE, SINCE 1997.
IT WAS PURCHASED FOR $500,000 OUT OF THE GENERAL FUND.
THIS IS A VERY VALUABLE PIECE OF PROPERTY.
UH, IF YOU LOOK AT THE YELLOW OUTLINE, THIS WAS OUTLINED OFF OF OUR GIS.
I DO WANNA POINT OUT THAT IT GOES ALL THE WAY TO THE CRITICAL LINE.
SO IT IS A DEEP WATER PIECE OF PROPERTY.
THERE'S CURRENTLY A RESTROOM FACILITY.
THERE'S A, UH, COVERED PICNIC PAVILION.
THERE IS AN OLDER, I GUESS WHAT WE USED TO CALL THE SCHOOLHOUSE.
UH, IT'S A VERY DILAPIDATED BUILDING.
AND THEN THERE IS AN ACTUAL HOUSE ON THE PROPERTY, AND, SORRY.
AND THEN THE DOCK IS PART OF THAT PROPERTY.
THE SECOND WE WOULD TRANSFER THIS IN TO ROLLING CRITICAL LAND IN EXCHANGE.
SO THE, THE LAST ONE, THIS IS ON, UH, BLUFFTON PARKWAY JUST TO THE EAST OF WHERE BUCK ISLAND ROAD IS.
UH, THE IDEA WITH THIS, IT'S A 13 ACRE TRACK, AND WE WOULD TAKE 10 ACRES OF THIS AND TRANSFER IT INTO RURAL AND CRITICAL LANDS.
THE REASON IT'S 10 ACRES, WE WOULD SUBDIVIDE THIS PROPERTY, THE 2.91 ACRES TO THE RIGHT WOULD REMAIN IN THE COUNTY'S INVENTORY.
UH, JARED AND HIS GROUP HAVE ALREADY, UH, INCLUDED PORTIONS OF THIS LAND IN THEIR MERF DESIGN, UH, THAT I BELIEVE THEY'LL BE BRINGING THAT FORWARD HERE IN THEIR MONTH.
THE MERF, THE, UH, RECYCLING FACILITY.
THIS IS, THIS IS ADJACENT TO WHERE THE COLLECTION CENTER IS RIGHT NOW.
IT'S JUST TO THE, THE WEST OF THAT.
SO IF I GO BACK UP ONE, YOU NOTICE THAT OFF OF BUCK ISLAND ROAD, THIS IS A, UH, AN EXISTING PRIVATELY HELD PARK, AND THERE'S A VERY NICE WALKING TRAIL THAT RUNS ALL THE WAY DOWN, UH, THE, THE SOUTH SIDE OF BLUFFTON PARKWAY.
WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO DO WITH THIS IS CREATE A BOARDWALK, UH, AREA, KIND OF A NATURE TRAIL BOARDWALK AREA THAT GOES BACK THROUGH THIS AND THEN LOOPS BACK AND COMES BACK OUT ONTO, UH, TO THE SIDEWALK AREA AND WOULD POTENTIALLY CONNECT TO THIS PARK.
SO THAT IS WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO DO.
I'LL GO BACK TO THIS SLIDE AND BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTION.
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WELL, WHO HOLDS THE EASEMENT ON THE PROPERTY THAT WE WANT TO USE FOR THE, UH, LIBRARY AND THE, THERE ARE NONE, NO EASEMENT.YOU, YOU, I'LL TELL YOU, THE THING ABOUT THE TRANSFER IN THE ST.
MARY'S IS, IN MY OPINION, IS LONG OVERDUE.
I MEAN, LONG OVERED, THIS HAS BEEN CRYING OUT TO BE DONE FOR A LONG TIME.
SHAME ON ALL OF US FOR NOT DOING IT EARLIER.
I THINK IT ABSOLUTELY NEEDS, BECAUSE THE POTENTIAL OF THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY IS INCREDIBLE AND IT, IT HAS NOT, UH, BEEN ABLE TO DO THAT SITTING IN OUR INVENTORY.
SO I THINK IT'S, UH, I THINK IT'S A GREAT IDEA AND I, I DON'T SEE ANY DOWNSIDE ANYWHERE.
SO I ABSOLUTELY SUPPORT IT AND COUNSEL COUNCIL ASK US TO EXPLORE THIS PLAN.
UH, SEVERAL MONTHS AGO, WHENEVER, IF YOU RECALL, WE APPROACHED YOU ALL ABOUT SELLING THIS PROPERTY.
CAUSE WE'VE BEEN APPROACHED TO BY THE, UH, BEAUFORD COUNTY SCHOOL DISTRICT ABOUT SELLING THE PROPERTIES ON THE SCREEN THERE TO THEM FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF ILIEVA MIDDLE SCHOOL, UH, IN THIS AREA.
AND YOU ALL, UH, REJECTED THAT PROPOSAL AND ASKED US TO COME UP UP WITH A PLAN ABOUT USING THIS PROPERTY FOR, OR THAT PARTICULAR PIECE OF PROPERTY FOR RECREATION FIELDS.
SO CHUCK AND, AND THE FOLKS THAT, UH, ARE ON THE TEAM WITH HIM HAVE EVALUATED THIS AND HAVE PUT TOGETHER THIS PLAN, WHICH I THINK IS A VERY EFFECTIVE PLAN.
I THINK IT DESERVES A LOT OF CONSIDERATION.
AND AS THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR, I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT WE DO IT.
CAUSE IT ALSO PUTS THE LI PUTS THE LIBRARY SITE FROM NEW RIVERSIDE IN A STRATEGIC LO LOCATION CLOSE TO SUN CITY, UH, WHERE WE'RE GONNA HAVE A LOT MORE GROWTH, UH, IN THE AREA.
YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE SELLING FEATURE OF THIS PROPERTY GOING INTO THE RULING CRITICAL LAND WAS ACTUALLY, UH, STORMWATER DRAINAGE IN THAT AREA.
AND, UM, WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING IS CONTRARY TO STORMWATER DRAINING, UH, FOR THAT AREA.
UM, CUZ YOU'RE PUTTING ON STRUCTURE.
THEY, UM, AND SO I, YOU KNOW, I'M KINDA LEERY ABOUT THE PROPOSAL ITSELF.
I UNDERSTAND, UH, THE NEED FOR A LIBRARY, ET CETERA.
UM, MY QUESTION, I GUESS WOULD BE, UM, YOU, YOU ASKING, AND I KNOW THAT THE PROPERTY AND RULING CRITICAL LAND BELONGS TO THE COUNTY AND BLAH, BLAH, THAT SORT OF STUFF.
HAVE YOU BROUGHT THIS TO THE RULING CRITICAL LAND BOARD? WE HAVE NOT.
AND THE REASON WE DID NOT LOOK, YOU DON'T GOT SAY NO MORE.
OH, I CAN EXPLAIN WHY, BUT I WELL, I CAN EXPLAIN WHY WE DID THIS.
YEAH, I DON'T NEED, I DON'T NEED, OKAY.
DID YOU BRING IT TO YOU AND YOU SAID NO? UM, DID HAVE YOU, YOU KNOW, WE, UH, I DON'T THINK WHEN I WAS ON THE RULING CRITICAL LAND BOARD, UM, ANYTIME THERE WAS A SWAPPING LAND COUNTY COUNCIL RESPECTED THE RULING CRITICAL LAND BOARD THAT MUCH TO SAY, WHETHER YOU THINK ABOUT THIS, WHETHER YOU AGREE WITH IT OR NOT, WE WANT TO KNOW WHAT YOU THINK ABOUT THIS.
UM, THAT PROPERTY WAS PUT IN BASICALLY BECAUSE OF, UM, UM, STONE WATER AND BECAUSE OF, UM, UM, OPEN SPACE.
AND NOW WE ARE TAKING THAT IN, DOING SOMETHING ELSE WITH IT OTHER THAN OPEN SPACE.
SO THAT'S, I GOTTA BE SOLD ON THIS.
I'M NOT, I'M NOT SOLD ON THIS.
IS THAT CHRIS? CHRIS, THAT'S CHRIS.
UM, WHERE TO START? SO I AGREE WITH WHAT COUNCILMAN SUMMERVILLE SAID REGARDING CAMP ST.
I DO THINK SHAME ON US FOR NOT HAVING TRANSFERRED THAT INTO THE PROGRAM A LONG TIME AGO.
AND I WOULD ABSOLUTELY POSITIVELY SUPPORT DOING THAT NOW FOR SURE.
REGARDING THE REST OF THE PLAN, I DON'T, I DON'T DISAGREE WITH, WITH IT PER SE.
I DO ABSOLUTELY POSITIVITY, UNDERSTAND THE NEED FOR A NEW LIBRARY AND FOR NEW, FOR NEW BALL FIELDS, FOR SURE.
HOWEVER, MY CONCERN IS THAT WHEN WE START TO TRANSFER PROPERTY OUT OF THE RURAL IN CRITICAL LANDS PROGRAM, REGARDLESS OF WHAT THE USE IS FOR, REGARDLESS OF HOW LEGITIMATE OF A USE IT IS, REGARDLESS OF HOW GOOD OF A PLAN IS THAT WE RUN THE VERY HIGH RISK OF ERODING CONFIDENCE IN THE PUB, IN THE PUBLIC'S TRUST IN THAT PROGRAM ITSELF.
AND I THINK THAT THERE'S NOTHING WORSE THAT WE COULD DO, FRANKLY.
SO I, I THINK IT'S A GOOD PLAN.
I THINK IT'S GREAT WORK BY THE STAFF, BUT THERE'S NO WAY THAT I CAN SUPPORT TRANSFERRING ANYTHING OUT OF ROWING CRITICAL.
I WOULD SUPPORT, I CAN'T SAY MARY'S PIECE THOUGH.
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NO OTHER COMMENTS? WELL, I'D LIKE TO SEE, UH, UH, AT SOME POINT, UM, SOMEBODY FROM ENGINEERING WHO CAN SPEAK TO THE DRAINAGE ISSUE ON THAT PIECE TO ADDRESS KIND OF THE CONCERNS THAT, UH, THAT, UH, YOU WORKED RAISE.UH, I, I, I'M TRYING TO THINK OF WHAT THE IMPLICATION WOULD BE ON THAT PROPERTY FOR STORMWATER DRAINAGE IF WE PROCEED AS SUGGESTED.
AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT, I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS, BUT I THINK THERE'S A, THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY FOR AN STORMWATER ENGINEER TO TELL US WHAT THAT MEANS AND MAKE EITHER MAKE HIM FEEL BETTER OR NOT.
UH, QUESTION, UM, IF WE ALL AGREE THAT KEMP ST.
MARY'S PIECE MAKES SENSE, IS THIS A PACKAGE THAT WE KIND OF HAVE TO DO TOGETHER OR CAN IT BE CONSIDERED SEPARATE FROM SOME OF THESE OTHER TRANSACTIONS? WE WOULD PREFER YOU CONSIDER IT TOGETHER.
AND IF YOU DON'T DO THE OTHER, UH, THE TRANSFER OUT, THEN YOU KNOW, UH, YOU CAN DO WHAT YOU WANT TO DO WITH THE CAMP ST.
BUT THAT'S A VALUABLE PIECE OF PROPERTY SITTING THERE.
SO, UM, I'M NOT SURE YOU WON'T PUT THAT.
THE RULE AND CRITICAL LANDS PROGRAM AND HAMPER FUTURE COUNCILS AT THIS POINT, AGAIN, WE'RE, WE WERE FOLLOWING THE DIRECTION OF THE COUNTY COUNCIL FROM A PREVIOUS MEETING SEVERAL MONTHS AGO TO BRING FORWARD THIS PLAN FROM YOU ALL.
CAUSE YOU ALL SAID THAT WE COULD CONSIDER USING THAT PROPERTY FOR RECREATION FIELDS.
AND NOT ONLY THE WAY TO DO THAT IS TO TRANSFER IT OUTTA RURAL CRITICAL LANDS PROGRAM.
THE RURAL CRITICAL LANDS ORDINANCE CONTEMPLATED, UH, THAT FROM TIME TO TIME, THE RURAL CRITICAL LANDS ORDINANCE MAKES A PROVISION, UH, FOR THAT TRANSFER.
YOU ALL HAVE DONE IT AT LEAST ONE OTHER TIME WITH THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE ANIMAL SHELTER.
UM, WE'RE HAPPY TO TAKE IT TO THE RURAL CRITICAL LANDS BOARD, IF YOU WOULD LIKE FOR US TO DO SO TO GET THEIR INPUT.
WE DID NOT WANT TO DO THAT BEFORE WE HAD DIRECTION FROM YOU ALL.
CAUSE SHORT OF DIRECTION FROM YOU ALL.
THERE'S REALLY NO, IF YOU GO, IF YOU ALL DON'T WANNA DO THIS OR RECOMMEND ACCOUNTS, WE DO THIS.
NO NEED TO TAKE IT TO WRONG CRITICAL LOUNGE BOARD.
THERE'S SOME QUESTIONS, REAL QUESTIONS.
GERALD RAISED ONE AND, UH, AND CHRIS CERTAINLY RAISED ONE, BUT I WANNA MAKE A MOTION TO MOVE FORWARD WITH IT AND WE'LL SEE IF WE CAN'T WORK THROUGH SOME OF THESE CONCERNS, UH, BETWEEN NOW AND THE TIME IT GETS OUTTA COUNCIL.
AND, UH, AT LEAST WE'LL HAVE SOME FORWARD MOMENTUM ON THIS BECAUSE AT LEAST I THINK EVERYBODY LIKES PIECES AND PARTS OF IT, AND MAYBE WE CAN ALL IN THE END LEARN TO LIKE ALL OF IT, BUT WE, I DON'T KNOW THAT, BUT WE'LL SEE.
BUT, SO I'LL MAKE THE MOTION TO, UH, TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE PROPOSAL AS RECOMMENDED BY STAFF.
I DON'T LIKE, OH, IS THERE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND, SECOND MARK IS SECTION THAT, UH, NOW FOR DISCUSSION? NO, I WAS GONNA SECOND A MOTION.
UH, RIGHT, BUT I DON'T, I DON'T, YOU GOT TIE YOU HAVE A TIE FOR SEVEN? NO, I DON'T LIKE THE, I DON'T LIKE THE, UH, CONCEPT AT THIS TIME, BUT I, I, I AGREE WITH PAUL JUST MOVING FORWARD AND SEEING WHAT, WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE.
OTHER COMMENTS? UH, A QUESTION FOR YOU, UH, ERIC.
UM, GIVEN THAT WE, IF THIS PASSES, WE HAVE COUNSEL A WEEK FROM TODAY, WOULD WE NEED MORE TIME TO ACTUALLY ADDRESS SOME OF THESE ISSUES AS A, OR WOULD WE COME? WELL, WE CAN, WE CAN ADDRESS THE, UH, STORM WATER ISSUES, UH, VERY QUICKLY.
UH, OBVIOUSLY WE CAN DEVELOP THIS PROPERTY WITH THE BALL FILLS IN ALL AND LESSEN AND DO IT IN A LOW IMPACTFUL WAY SO THAT THE STORM WATER AND WATER QUALITY LEAVING THE SITE IS NOT, UH, IMPAIRED AND POTENTIALLY WOULD BE FURTHER ENHANCED, UH, THROUGH THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE PROPERTY.
UH, THE ONLY QUESTION THAT WE WOULD HAVE IS IF YOU ALL WANT A RECOMMENDATION FROM THE RULING CRITICAL LANDS BOARD BEFORE COUNCIL ACTION, THEN WE WOULD NEED MORE TIME THAN NEXT MONDAY, BECAUSE WE WOULD HAVE TO GET THIS BEFORE THE RULING CRITICAL LANDS BOARD AT THEIR NEXT MEETING IN NOVEMBER, WHICH IS, I BELIEVE THE THIRD THURSDAY OF NOVEMBER.
SECOND THURSDAY OF NOVEMBER, THURSDAY.
SO, UH, WE WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO BRING IT BACK TO YOU ALL UNTIL WHEN, WHEN, UNTIL DECEMBER, THAT MEETING IN, UM, NOVEMBER MAY ON, I THINK YOU HAVE ONE IN NOVEMBER.
I'M NOT SURE OF THE DATE, BUT I DON'T, I, THEY'RE TELLING ME HERE TO MY RIGHT, THAT IT WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK TO COUNSEL IN DECEMBER, DECEMBER.
YOU ARE, AND WE, ON CRITICAL BOARDS MEETING IS THE TEST.
WE HAD TO CHANGE THE 17TH FOR OUR FIELD TREAT THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY ITEMS ON AGENDA.
BUT WE CAN RESCHEDULE THAT MEETING IF THIS ITEM.
WE, WE'LL TRY TO RESCHEDULE THE RULE AND CRITICAL LANDS MEETING TO GET IT BEFORE, UM, THE RULE AND CRITICAL LANDS BOARD PRIOR TO THE NOVEMBER COUNCIL MEETING.
UH, SO THAT, UH, YOU ALL WILL HAVE THAT RECOMMENDATION BEFORE YOUR
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NOVEMBER 14TH MEETING.THE RULING AND CRITICAL DOESN'T MEAN ON THE 10TH.
WELL, WE MOVED IT TO THE, THE, TO THE NOVEMBER 17TH.
BUT I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR THE BOARD TO REVIEW SO WE CAN FIGURE OUT SCHEDULES.
SO WE HAVE, WE HAVE A RESOLUTION ON THE TABLE.
UM, AND I THINK THE THOUGHT PROCESS IS THAT, UH, WE WOULD LOOK TO DO IT IN THE NOVEMBER MEETING RATHER THAN TRY TO FORCE IT THROUGH NEXT MONTH.
IS THAT OKAY? SAME WAY THAT GENERALLY OKAY.
SO I GUESS THE QUESTION IS, UM, UH, ARE THERE OBJECTIONS? I THINK, CHRIS, YOU MENTIONED THAT YOU HAVE AN OBJECTION.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER OBJECTIONS? OKAY, SO I THINK THIS COULD STAND APPROVED, UH, WITH THE ONE OBJECTION AND IF YOU CAN COUNT HEADS, SARAH, ON HOW MANY THAT BRINGS US UP TO FOR EVERYBODY ELSE.
AND WE'D LOOK FOR THIS TO COME FORWARD IN, UH, THE NOVEMBER MEETING.
[10. APPROVAL OF A RESOLUTION TO SWAP IDENTIFIED PROPERTIES BETWEEN BEAUFORT COUNTY AND THE RURAL AND CRITICAL LANDS PROGRAM IN ORDER TO BUILD AN ADDITIONAL LIBRARY, ADDITIONAL PARKS AND RECREATION FIELDS AND A SOLID WASTE MATERIAL RECOVERY FACILITY IN SOUTHERN BEAUFORT COUNTY]
LA LAST ITEM.AND, UH, THIS HAS TO DO WITH THE FUNDING OF THE AIRPORT TERMINAL ON HILTON HEAD.
AND I WANTED TO TAKE A FEW MINUTES, UM, SHARES SOME OF MY THOUGHTS AND JUST MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE ON A GOOD TRACK MOVING FORWARD.
THERE'S PROBABLY STILL SOME DISCUSSIONS THAT TAKE PLACE OR POSSIBLY DIFFERENT WAYS TO DO IT FROM, UM, STAFF PERSPECTIVE.
UH, BUT IN ANY EVENT, UM, IF YOU WOULDN'T MIND, PAUL, GIVE, GIVE THAT TO ERIC AND ONE FOR YOU AND ONE FOR, SORRY, I'LL, OKAY.
SO LET ME, LET ME SHARE A COUPLE, COUPLE THOUGHTS ON THIS.
UH, YOU KNOW, THE BIDS CAME BACK MUCH HIGHER THAN WE EXPECTED ON THE, THE PROJECT.
AND SO I THINK THERE'S TOTAL AGREEMENT THAT THE PROJECT HAS TO BE REBID.
AND IN THE PROCESS OF DOING THAT, AND A COUPLE OF THESE NUMBERS MAY BE OFF BY A LITTLE BIT, BUT WE, MY MIND, WE ROUGHLY HAVE ABOUT 35 MILLION ON HAND.
UM, I DO THINK WE WILL CONTINUE TO GET SOME GRANTS.
JOHN'S ALWAYS PRETTY ACTIVE AND PRETTY SUCCESSFUL.
UM, BUT I DOUBT THAT WE WILL GET ENOUGH GRANTS SINCE WE'VE TAPPED OUT AT THE FAA TO ACTUALLY, UH, AVOID SOME FUTURE BORROWING ANYWAY OR DRAGGING THE PROJECT OUT OVER A, UH, A LONG PERIOD OF TIME.
UM, I WOULD ALSO SAY THAT IF WE WERE TO BORROW THE, THE FULL 40 MILLION GIVE OR TAKE TO COMPLETE THE PROJECT, THAT THAT WOULD BE FOOLISH ON OUR PART BECAUSE THERE'S A FAIR AMOUNT OF UNCERTAINTY WITH WHAT'S HAPPENING IN THE AIRLINE INDUSTRY, UH, SCHEDULES, ALL THE KIND OF THINGS THAT, THAT THEY'RE GOING THROUGH THAT YOU HEAR ABOUT.
SO IN MY MIND, THE LOGICAL BID PACKAGE KIND OF FALLS IN THE CATEGORY OF A LARGE ENOUGH BASE THAT WE GET THE SITE WORK, WE PICK UP THE NEW BUILDING THAT'S PLANNED, AND OBVIOUSLY WE GOTTA COVER SOME OF THE, UH, SOFT COSTS, THE DESIGN AND THOSE TYPES OF THINGS.
AND THEN, AND, AND MAYBE THAT'S TWO THIRDS I COULD ARGUE WITH THE NUMBERS, UH, AND THEN THAT IT GETS BIT IN A WAY THAT THERE'S A, AN OPTION, UH, WHICH IS A SERIES OF, I CALL HOPSCOTCH MOVES, WHERE DIFFERENT PARTS OF THE AIRPORT ARE MOVING AROUND AS THEY GET EXPANDED BAGGAGE CLAIM AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
UM, SO IT, IT SEEMS TO ME THE ALTERNATIVE THAT WE HAVE BEFORE US IS IF WE FOCUS PURELY ON THE FUNDS THAT ARE AVAILABLE TODAY, WHETHER IT'S 25 OR 35 MILLION, DOES THAT PUT US IN A POSITION WHERE WE HAVE TO RE-ENGINEER THE, THE BUILDING THAT'S BEEN DESIGNED? UM, OR DO WE SAY WE'VE GOT A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OR A SATISFACTORY AMOUNT OF REVENUE STREAM THAT WOULD ALLOW US TO BORROW NOW SO WE COULD HAVE A LITTLE LARGER PACKAGE.
NOW, OBVIOUSLY BORROWING, UH, HAS TO BALANCE THE AVAILABLE AND PROJECTED REVENUE STREAMS AGAINST THE RISK TO THE LENDERS AND TO THE, UH, COUNTY.
SO THAT'S JUST KIND OF MY OBSERVATIONS ON PAGE TWO.
WHEN I LOOK AT THE RISK, UM, FOR THIS, THERE, THERE'S TWO PRO TWO LARGE REVENUE STREAMS THAT CA THAT IN MY MIND CAN BE USED TO SUPPORT WHATEVER KIND OF BOND WE DO.
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ONE IS THE AIRLINES PAY US A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF MONEY NOW FOR RENTAL SPACE.AND I THINK WE ALL AGREE THAT THAT NUMBER'S PROBABLY MUCH LOWER THAN IT IT NEEDS TO BE.
AND, UM, THROUGH TALBOT AND BRIGHT AND THEIR SUBCONTRACTOR, NEW AND ASSOCIATES, UM, THEY'RE CHARGED WITH WHAT'S CALLED LOOKING AT THE COST RECOVERY THAT'S REASONABLE TO NEGOTIATE WITH THE AIRLINES, UH, WHICH ESSENTIALLY BECOMES A PAYMENT FOR, FOR SPACE.
AND THEY, THEY GAVE US A SHEET THAT HAD THREE DIFFERENT SCENARIOS ON IT FOR FUNDING IT.
AND, UH, SINCE THEY SHOWED UP ON THE SHEET WITH GREEN, YELLOW, AND RED, I JUST CARRIED THOSE COLORS OVER.
BUT, UM, AT, AT THE, AT THE LOW END, THEY HAD $860,000.
UH, AND AT THE HIGH END THEY HAD A HUNDRED AND OR $1.8 MILLION, WHICH IS KIND OF A, KIND OF A RANGE OF WHAT MIGHT BE NEGOTIATED.
UM, THE, THE SECOND PIECE THAT YOU HAVE ARE WHAT ARE CALLED PASSENGER FACILITY CHARGES.
UH, WHEN YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU'RE TAKE AN AIRPLANE TICKET, YOU'LL SEE A $4 AND 50 CENT CHARGE ON THAT.
UH, 4 38 OF THAT, UH, COMES BACK TO US.
IT'S GENERALLY FOR THESE KINDS OF THINGS, UM, THERE'S LIMITATIONS ON ON WHERE YOU CAN USE IT.
UH, AND IT'S BASED ON DEPARTING PASSENGERS OR EMPLOYMENTS.
AND IF YOU, UH, AND IT'S A FUNCTION OF THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT ARE ACTUALLY, UH, TRAVELING.
SO, UM, IF YOU LOOK AT THE AVERAGE OF THE LAST THREE YEARS, WE'VE AVERAGED ABOUT 135,000 IN PLACEMENTS.
AND AT THE 4 38, THAT WOULD GIVE YOU ABOUT $590,000.
UH, AT THE OTHER EXTREME, IF YOU LOOKED AT THEIR DESIGN CRITERIA THAT THEY'RE PLANNING FOR SEVEN OR EIGHT YEARS OUT, THAT WOULD BE A NUMBER OF 215,000.
A LOT DEPENDS ON WHATEVER THE AIRLINES DECIDE TO DO.
BUT YOU KNOW, THAT WOULD GENERATE ABOUT $940,000.
SO IF YOU COMBINE THOSE IN THE UPPER RIGHT HAND CORNER AND JUST LOOKED AT THE GREEN AND THE RED AS BEING THE EXTREMES OF THE, UH, POTENTIAL MONEY, UM, YOU'RE DEALING WITH ROUGHLY AT 1.4, 1.5 MILLION VERSUS, UH, ALL MAYBE UP TO 2.7 MILLION IS WHAT MIGHT BE AVAILABLE.
AND, UH, BUMPING THEIR BOND RATE A LITTLE BIT CUZ INTEREST RATES HAVE GONE UP THAT WOULD SAY THOSE REVENUE STREAMS OUGHT SUPPORT EITHER 18 MILLION AT THE LOW END OR 35 MILLION AT, AT THE HIGH END.
SO IF IN FACT WE TOOK THE, UNDER THE BA, WHAT I CALL THE BASE BID AND TOOK 35 MILLION, I THINK THERE'S ANOTHER 5 MILLION THAT WE CAN COUNT ON FROM THE STATE AND BORROWED JUST 50, UH, THAT WOULD GIVE US 55 MILLION, WHICH IS A LITTLE BIT NORTH OF WHAT OF THE 50 THAT I HAD HAD MENTIONED.
NOW, THE, THE 5%, THE 5 MILLION FROM THE STATE FALLS IN THIS CATEGORY, THE, UH, LEGISLATURE PASSED, UH, AN APPROPRIATED $50 MILLION FOR THE SIX COMMERCIAL AIRLINES IN THE, UH, IN THE STATE OR SIX COM UH, AIRPORTS IN THE STATE.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE SMALLER THAN SOME, WE'RE PROBABLY NOT GONNA GET OUR, OUR FULL SHARE, BUT E EVEN IF WE GOT 10% OF THE 50, UM, THAT WOULD BE ABOUT HALF AS MUCH AS THE OTHER, UM, FIVE AIRPORTS WOULD GET ON AVERAGE.
SO, UH, WE'LL, WE'LL GET SOMETHING YOU CAN SPECULATE ON, YOU KNOW, WHAT THAT NUMBER IS, BUT I STUCK 5 MILLION IN THERE.
SO, UM, THAT WOULD KIND OF SUGGEST THAT SOMETHING IN THE RANGE OF 15 MILLION, UH, WOULD BE REASONABLE, PROBABLY CONSERVATIVE BORROWING.
UH, IF YOU WERE LOOKING OUT AT THE FULL PROJECT, IT TOOK THE 35, ADDED THE FIVE, AND ASSUME WE GOT SOME MORE GRANTS ALONG THE WAY AND YOU WERE GONNA BE LOOKING AT A 20 MILLION BOND THAT WOULD GET UP TO THE FULL PRICE OF THE 75 MILLION THAT'S PROJECTED BY THE CONSULTANTS.
AND IN LISTENING TO THE CONVERSATION ABOUT HOW WE MIGHT DO THIS, UM, IT SEEMS LIKE IT, WHAT EMERGES IS WHAT'S CALLED A SPECIAL OBLIGATION BOND, UH, WHICH IS BASICALLY SUPPORTED BY THE REVENUE STREAMS, BUT IT ALSO HAS TO BE UNDERWRITTEN BY THE, UH, BY THE COUNTY.
SO IF THERE'S A SHORTFALL TO THOSE REVENUE STREAMS, THEN THE COUNTY WOULD BE ON THE, ON THE HOOK FOR THOSE.
UM, NOT MUCH DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE DO WITH, WITH TIFFS.
UM, SO ON THE FULL PROJECT, IF YOU LOOKED ALL THE WAY OUT AND IF YOU WERE TO BOND 20 MILLION AND THE DEBT
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SERVICE WAS 1,000,006, AND THE, THE REVENUE FROM THAT RED, IF YOU WILL, IS 2.7, WE'D HAVE A COVERAGE OF 1.6.NOW THERE'S SOME OTHER REVENUE STREAMS THAT ARE NOT INCLUDED IN THIS.
THERE'S PARKING, THERE'S RENTAL CARS, THERE'S TAXI CAB FEES, THERE'S CONCESSION FEES FOR PEOPLE THAT RENT.
BUT ON THE OTHER HAND, YOU, YOU, YOU DON'T WANT TO USE ALL OF THOSE BECAUSE YOU STILL GOTTA PAY FOR A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF AIRPORT OPERATIONS.
UH, I, I DO THINK THAT HILTON HEAD WILL PARTICIPATE AS WE GO FORWARD.
UM, THERE WOULD, THEY'VE INDICATED A WILLINGNESS TO DO IT ONCE WE, UH, SHOW THEM A PLAN.
UM, AND I ALSO, WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT THIS LAST SUMMER AT THIS COMMITTEE, UH, STAFF HAD SUGGESTED THAT PERHAPS H TAX WOULD BE A, A POSSIBILITY.
UH, AND UH, I THINK IT, I THINK IT WOULD BE CUZ THERE'S AN ARGUMENT FOR IT.
BUT I WOULD TEND TO VIEW THAT PURELY AS A, AS A BACKUP IF THERE'S A SHORTFALL AGAINST THE, THE REVENUE STREAMS. AND THEN ALSO AFTER, REMEMBER THAT THE AIRPORT IS PROBABLY GENERATED NORTH OF HALF A BILLION DOLLARS IN ECONOMIC VALUE AND OBVIOUSLY SOME OF THAT ACCRUES TO THE COUNTY.
SO ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE, IF WE WERE JUST LOOKING AT THE, UM, THE SMALLER BONDS, SAY A 15, THAT WOULD BE, UH, A DEBT SERVICE OF 1,000,002, THE REVENUE IS 1,000,004.
SO WE STILL HAVE A LITTLE BETTER THAN A ONE TIMES COVERAGE FOR THAT.
UM, NOW IF WE'RE TO DO THAT, THEN I THINK WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IS THE ADDITIONAL SMALLER PHASES, THE HOPSCOTCHING AROUND, IF YOU WILL, COULD, UM, AS, AS SMALLER GRANTS COME IN, THOSE PIECES COULD, COULD BE ADDED ON AS LONG AS WE HAD DID THOSE, WHICH I UNDERSTAND IS TO PLAN TO DO THAT.
UM, ALSO THE, THE AMOUNT THAT TO BE BONDED ISN'T REALLY REQUIRED FOR ABOUT A YEAR AND A HALF BECAUSE WE HAVE THE, THE MONEY ON HAND.
SO WE'RE REALLY LOOKING OUT INTO 2024 AS TO WHEN WE'D ACTUALLY DRAW.
SO IT PROBABLY LENDS ITSELF TO SOME KIND OF A CONCEPT OF A CONSTRUCTION LOAN INTEREST ONLY DURING THE PERIOD LEADING UP TO THAT.
UM, AND I THINK IF WE WERE GOING DOWN THAT PATH, I THINK THERE'S A REASONABLE EXPECTATION THAT ENOUGH GRANTS WOULD COME ALONG AS LONG AS WE HAD SOME BORROWING IN PLACE THAT WE MIGHT ACTUALLY FINISH THE FULL PROJECT.
WE'RE DOING THIS, YOU KNOW, TOM DAVIS, SENATOR DAVIS ASKED WHAT WE NEEDED.
I PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE SUGGESTED MORE, BUT I TOLD HIM I THOUGHT WE NEEDED IN THE 10 TO 12 AND HE SAID THAT HE THOUGHT THAT WAS VERY DUBBLE.
AND IF THAT HAPPENED, THAT WOULD FALL WELL WITHIN THE, THE PROJECT.
NOW, UM, STAFF WAS KIND ENOUGH TO, UH, TAKE A LOOK AT THIS AND UH, UH, MAKE COMMENTS ON A COUPLE THINGS AND I'LL JUST, UH, ADDRESS THOSE.
UM, ONE WAS THAT WE, YOU DON'T ACTUALLY HAVE THE 12 MILLION ON HAND FROM THE STATE YET.
UM, AND UH, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE EXACT TERMS OF WHEN THAT WOULD WOULD COME, BUT IT IS CODIFIED IN IN STATUTE.
SO I DON'T HAVE ANY REASON TO BELIEVE THAT WE WOULDN'T, UH, GET THAT MONEY.
AND IT'S ALSO MY UNDERSTANDING THAT, UM, THAT MONEY AND MAYBE SOME OF THE FAA MONEY, UH, HA HAS EXPIRATIONS ON IT.
SO WE, WE CAN'T DEL TOO LONG IN, IN SPENDING THOSE, THOSE MONIES.
UM, BUT ANYWAY, I I I THINK THAT THE TW THAT 12 MILLION IS, IS PRETTY GUARANTEED.
UM, AND SO I, IT GETS US UP TO AROUND THE, THE 35, UM, I, I THINK THERE'S A QUESTION ABOUT WHETHER YOU, WHETHER WE WOULD NEED 15 OR 20 TO GET THROUGH THIS SO-CALLED BASE BID.
UM, I THINK THE DIFFERENCE MAY, MAY THERE WELL BE, WHETHER WE COUNT ON THAT 5 MILLION THAT I MENTIONED FROM THE STATE AS UH, WHATEVER OUR SHARE IS OF THE 50 MILLION THAT'S BEEN APPROVED BY THE LEGISLATURE.
UM, THE PROJECT ORIGINALLY BID WAS IN, UM, UM, AS ONE LUMP SUM BID.
UH, BUT IT DID HAVE SIX CONSTRUCTION PHASES, WHICH IS WHAT THEY HAD TO DO BECAUSE YOU GOTTA MOVE THE PEOPLE AROUND CUZ WE'RE, WE'RE BUILDING IN PLACE.
AND, UM, THE PFCS HAVE FALLEN OFF A LITTLE BIT CAUSE I THINK THE VOLUME IS DOWN NOW.
SO WE HAVE TO BE SENSITIVE TO THAT BECAUSE, UM, WE STILL GOT SOME DEBT TO PAY OFF BE, THEY WERE ORIGINALLY I THINK GONNA FINISH UP IN MARCH OF NEXT YEAR AND THAT MAY EXTEND OUT A LITTLE BIT.
SO ANYWAY, UH, I AM SENSITIVE, UH, AND APPRECIATE STAFF TAKING A LOOK AT THAT.
SO ANYWAY, JUST TO WRAP IT UP, IT, IT DOES SEEM TO ME THAT IT, WE WOULD BE WELL SERVED TO AUTHORIZE SOME KIND OF A SPECIAL OBLIGATION BOND ON THE ORDER OF 15 MILLION.
NOW, WHAT THAT WOULD DO IS THAT THE SECURITY WOULD BE THE RENTALS TO BE NEGOTIATED THAT I TALKED ABOUT AND, UM, THE, THE PFCS NOT COUNTING ANY OF THE OTHER REVENUE STREAMS.
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SO IF THAT HAPPENED, THEN WE, AS THE COUNTY WOULD'VE TO UNDERWRITE.AND SO THEN YOU COME DOWN TO WHAT, WHAT REALLY IS THE RISK TO US IF WE'RE UNDERWRITING THAT? AND UH, ESSENTIALLY I VIEW IT AS A FAIRLY LOW RISK BECAUSE IF I TOOK, IF IT ACTUALLY GETS COVERED, IF WE HIT 80% OF THE EMPLOYMENTS THAT WE AVERAGED IN THE LAST THREE YEARS AND 80% OF THE CONSULTANTS VERY LOW AT THE BOTTOM END OF THE BIDS, I DON'T, I DON'T SEE THAT AS A, A BIG RISK.
SO THE BENEFITS TO ME ARE THAT I, I THINK YOU CAN END UP THE USING THE PACKAGE AS IT WAS ORIGINALLY SENT OUT FOR BID BECAUSE IT DID HAVE PHASES IN ORDER WHAT HAD TO BE DONE IN ORDER TO OPERATE IN PLACE.
UH, AS OPPOSED TO IF WE MAKE IT TOO SMALL AMOUNT OF MONEY, THEN I THINK WE GET INTO REDESIGNING AND REPACKAGING, UM, THE BIT, UM, I THINK IF WE'RE DOING SOMETHING LIKE THIS, I THINK IT SENDS A GREAT MESSAGE TO THE AIRLINES AND TO THE STATE AND TO THE FAA THAT ARE ALL INTERESTED IN WHAT WE'RE DOING.
UM, I THINK IT PUTS TALBERT AND BRIGHT, OR AT LEAST THEIR CONSULTANT IN A POSITION TO BETTER NEGOTIATE WITH THE AIRLINES IF CUZ THE, THE MORE WE HAVE UNDER CONSTRUCTION AND PLANNED, THE STRONGER THE CASE FOR THEM TO, UH, UH, GIVE US MORE MONEY FOR THE RENTAL.
UM, UH, AS I SAID EARLIER, I THINK, I THINK THERE'S A GOOD CHANCE THAT WE COULD FINISH THE WHOLE CONSTRUCTION IF WE GET, OR SOME REASONABLE GRANTS COMING ALONG.
UH, WE CERTAINLY GOTTA AVOID SOMETHING THAT LOOKS LIKE WE'RE HALF COMPLETED TERMINAL.
AND, UH, TO ME IT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO NOT GET IN A MODE WHERE WE DRAG THIS THING OUT, WHERE WE'RE JUST TAKING WHATEVER MONEY WE HAVE IN THE BANK AND THEN WE BID THAT AND WE ACCUMULATE SOME MORE MONEY, THEN WE GO BACK AND WE DID THAT.
SO, UM, MY FEELING IS THAT WE'D BE WELL SERVED TO SERIOUSLY CONSIDER, UH, SPECIAL OBLIGATION BOND, WHETHER IT'S 15 OR 20 MILLION STAFF COULD DO DUE DILIGENCE ON WHAT THEY THINK WOULD BE THE APPROPRIATE MONEY.
UM, BUT JUST THOUGHT OUT FOR DISCUSSION AND, AND MAYBE, UH, MAYBE THIS IS SOMETHING AS A, AS A COUNCIL AND A STAFF, WE, WE WANT TO TAKE ON FOR THE REASONS MENTIONED.
SO I JUST THOUGHT OPEN FOR DISCUSSION.
UH, FIRST OF ALL, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT USING THEIR REVENUE STREAM FOR DEBT SERVICE.
I MEAN, THAT, THAT'S THEIR BUDGET.
YOU GET THEIR MONEY FROM THE AIRLINES AND FROM THE CONCESSIONS.
AND, UH, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT CONVERTING THAT FROM OPERATIONS TO DEBT SERVICE, WHICH IN MY, TO ME, THAT'S VERY TROUBLING.
UM, THE OTHER THING IS USING THE GREEN, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT JUST BARELY MEETING, MEETING, UH, RATIOS.
AND NUMBER THREE IS, UH, A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T UNDERSTAND THIS.
THEY THINK THAT WHEN WE DO A PROJECT, WHEN WE PROPOSE AND APPROVE A PROJECT, THAT WE HAVE THAT MONEY SITTING IN A BANK ACCOUNT SOMEWHERE AND THAT WE'RE GONNA, IT'S JUST, AND IT WON'T GO ANYWHERE AND WE JUST, EVERYTHING WORKS OUT.
BUT THAT'S NOT THE WAY WE WORK.
WE ARE CONSTANTLY MOVING MONEY AROUND TO, UH, TO MAXIMIZE THE EFFICIENCY OF THE MONEY AND PARTICULARLY AT THE HIGH INTEREST RATES WE'RE DEALING WITH TODAY.
I MEAN, THE LAST THING I WOULD WANNA SUPPORT RIGHT NOW IS BORROWING MONEY ANY EARLIER THAN WE ABSOLUTELY HAVE TO.
UM, I MEAN YOU AT THE PRIME AND LIBOR LOOK LIKE, AND THEN, AND THIS, THE CURVE'S GOING LIKE THIS.
SO, UH, SO I WOULD, UH, MY PERSONAL VIEW IS IF IF WE NEED TO BORROW MONEY, WE NEED TO WAIT TILL WE ABSOLUTELY NEED IT.
AND I DON'T HAVE ANY REASON TO THINK THAT WE ABSOLUTELY NEED IT RIGHT NOW.
SO I WOULD ABSOLUTELY OPPOSE PREMATURE BONDING FOR THIS PROJECT.
OTHER COMMENTS? JUST WHILE YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT OTHER COMMENTS, I, I, I THOUGHT ABOUT THAT, PAUL, AND, AND ONE OF THE PROBLEMS IS, AND THE ONLY REASON I SUGGESTED THAT THE BONDING IS THAT IT WOULD MAKE SENSE IN A PURE BUSINESS STANDPOINT JUST TO SAY WE'RE WILLING TO BORROW TWO YEARS FROM NOW WHEN WE NEED THE MONEY AND WE KNOW EXACTLY WHAT WE NEED.
BUT IS THAT ENOUGH OF A COMMITMENT FROM COUNCIL FOR STAFF TO BE ABLE TO GO OUT AND GET A BID ON A PROJECT THAT INCLUDES US, THE ANTICIPATION OF US BORROWING MONEY? AND I, I SENSE THAT THAT MAY BE A, A, A PROBLEM FOR STAFF TO BE, FOR US TO BE ABLE TO GO OUT AND DO THAT.
AND MAYBE THERE'S AN ALTERNATE WAY FOR US TO COMMIT IT, BUT WE CAN'T REALLY COMMIT FUTURE COUNCILS.
BUT I AGREE WITH YOU, WE SHOULDN'T DO IT.
WE, UM, THANK YOU GUYS FOR A LOT OF WORKING WITH THIS.
UM, TRY TO MAKE IT MAKE SENSE.
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I'D PROBABLY LIKE TO, TO GO BACK TO STAFF AND SEE WHAT STAFF RECOMMENDS AT THIS POINT.UM, I'VE ALWAYS BEEN DISAPPOINTED THAT WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN MORE SUPPORT FROM THE TOWN ATTON AND THIS AIRPORT, UM, UH, BENEFITS THE MOST, UH, FOR AAC AND EACH TAX AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
AND WE'RE THE ONES THAT'S DEFINIT UP TO DO THIS.
AND AGAIN, YOU KNOW, SOUTHERN COUNTY MORE WHERE I AM THAN THE PEOPLE NORTH BROAD.
SO, UM, I THINK IT DOES NEED TO BE DONE.
UM, I'VE ALWAYS BEEN IN FAVOR OF A, OF THE PHASED WE HAVE THE MONEY TO IT.
BUT AGAIN, IF WE HAVE TO LOOK AT WHAT ELSE WE'VE GOT AND AGAIN, TO GET STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION AND WHAT, UH, WHAT WHAT THEY'RE THINKING, WELL WE, WE, UH, HAVE, UM, UH, MS. HEISER AND MR. CHEATWOOD ON THE, UH, LINE DAY FOR THIS PARTICULAR ITEM.
UH, WHAT WE ARE BEING TOLD IS I UNDERSTAND IT AND WHITNEY HAS BEEN DOING A LOT OF THE, UH, GREAT WORK ON THIS.
UH, YOU ALL KNOW THAT I'M NOT VERY STRONG, UH, WITH NUMBERS, SO I HAVE TO RELY UP ON THE STAFF ON THIS, BUT, UH, APPARENTLY WE'RE NOT IN A POSITION AT THIS POINT A GOOD POSITION FOR US TO EVEN BE ABLE TO OBTAIN THE BOND.
CAUSE WE DO NOT KNOW AND CANNOT GIVE LENDERS ASSURANCES AS TO WHAT WE WILL BE BRINGING IN, UH, FROM THE AIRPORT THROUGH THESE PFCS WHENEVER WE, UH, DO THE EXPANSION.
UH, WE HAD HIRED CHILD AND BRIGHT TO HIRE A CONSULTANT, UH, A COUPLE YEARS AGO, UH, TO GO OUT AND TELL US THAT INFORMATION.
THEY GAVE US SOME RANGE, BUT IN MY OPINION, THAT RANGE IS TOO GREAT.
UH, SO I'LL ASK THE, UH, MIKE TO WHITNEY AND IF, UH, MR. CHEATWOOD OR MS. HEISER WANTS TO SAY ANYTHING, UH, ON TO ELABORATE ON THOSE COMMENTS.
SO I WOULD, UH, APPRECIATE HEARING THEM.
I WILL ECHO WHAT MR. GREENWAY HAS JUST TOLD TO YOU.
UM, STAFF DOES NOT HAVE THE SAME COMFORT LEVEL WITH ISSUING DEBT AT THIS TIME.
THERE ARE TOO MANY UNKNOWNS, UM, FOR US TO PROCEED DOWN THAT ROUTE.
UM, I THINK IT'S CRITICAL FOR US THAT WE MAKE CALCULATED VERY WISE DECISIONS THAT PUT US IN A POSITION OF FISCAL ACCOUNTABILITY TO TAXPAYERS.
AND I DON'T FEEL AT THIS TIME THAT WE CAN SAY WITH CONFIDENCE THAT WE CAN SUPPORT A DEBT ISSUANCE FROM THE AIRPORT AT THIS TIME.
UM, SO FOR THOSE REASONS, STAFF IS NOT WANTING TO ISSUE DEBT OR GO DOWN THIS ROUTE, WE WOULD PREFER TO WAIT UNTIL THIS PROJECT HAS BEEN VETTED FURTHER.
UM, WE DON'T FEEL THAT WE'RE LOSING ANYTHING BY DOING IT IN PHASES AS THIS FIRST, UM, PACKAGE, WHEN IT'S REBID IN PHASES IS UNDERWAY WITH THE POTENTIAL 35 MILLION THAT, UM, IS PRESENTED TODAY.
EVEN IF IT'S BID OUT, THE CONSTRUCTION WON'T START OR BE COMPLETED FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS.
AND SO STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS THAT DURING THAT TIMEFRAME WE EVALUATE THE REMAINING PHASES AND AT THAT POINT IN TIME PUT TOGETHER A RECOMMENDATION FOR FUNDING FROM WHICH THE AIRPORT, UM, HAS GENERATED ENOUGH REVENUE TO SERVICE THE DEBT AND FEEL CONFIDENT ABOUT THAT RECOMMENDATION.
BUT AGAIN, AT THIS TIME, STAFF DOESN'T HAVE THAT CONFIDENCE.
BUT I WILL, UM, PASS THE MIC TO EITHER OUR FINANCIAL ADVISORY FIRM OR OUR BOND COUNCIL FIRM IF THEY FEEL THAT THEY NEED TO ADD ANYTHING ADDITIONAL, THEY ARE ONLINE.
YEAH, I WOULD ECHO YOUR COMMENTS.
I MEAN, I DO THINK, UM, IF THE TIME COMES WHERE YOU NEED TO BORROW THAT MONEY, THAT SPECIAL OBLIGATION BOND STRUCTURE IS A GOOD ONE TO FOLLOW AND STRIKES A GOOD BALANCE BETWEEN USING, UM, AIRPORT REVENUES WHILE ALSO, YOU KNOW, LEVERAGING THE, THE S GOOD CREDIT RATING ON ITS OWN IF IT'S WILLING TO SUPPORT, UM, THE DEBT.
UM, HOWEVER, JUST KIND OF EXTERNALLY, UH, FROM A RENDER OR, OR UM, BOND HOLDER PERSPECTIVE, BUT ALSO INTERNALLY JUST FROM A COUNTY THING, KNOWING MORE DETAIL ON THE WOULD BE HELPFUL.
AND SO, UM, KIND OF MORE, MORE DILIGENCE ON, ON THAT WOULD LET THE COUNTY KNOW, AGAIN, INTERNALLY HOW MUCH IT MAY HAVE TO SUPPORT AND FIND WHAT, WHAT LEVEL OF RISK IS THERE.
AND THEN ALSO EXTERNALLY, UH, GIVE THE SAME VIEW, UM, TO THE BOND HOLDERS OR LENDERS.
THAT AGAIN, I THINK THE MORE INFORMATION WOULD BE HELPFUL.
BUT I DO THINK THAT STRUCTURE WOULD BE A GOOD ONE IN, AND IF YOU NEED THE, I I SAW FRANNY WAS ON, I THINK SHE'S ON BY PHONE.
OH, THAT'S WHAT I'M BEEN TOLD.
YOU'RE ON MUTE IF YOU CAN HEAR US WELL ANYWAY, UM, ANY, ANY OTHER COMMENT ON THIS? UM,
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I, I I GUESS FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, AND I MAY BE A, A NEW LONE WOLF ON THIS, IT, IT DOES SEEM TO ME THAT THERE IS SOME REASONABLE REVENUE STREAM THAT WE COULD SAY THAT WE COULD BORROW GAS.FACT TO DEPAUL'S POINT, IF YOU LOOKED AT THE FREE CASH THE LAST COUPLE YEARS WAS ABOUT A MILLION DOLLARS A YEAR AT, AT THE AIRPORT THAT COULD, YOU KNOW, APPLY TO THAT.
WHETHER THAT'S ONE TIME, WHO KNOWS.
BUT IT DOES SEEM TO ME THAT THIS, THIS WOULD LEND ITSELF TO A MODEST BORROWING AT THIS POINT IN TIME, UNLESS THERE'S ANOTHER WAY FOR US TO GO TO BID FOR A BIGGER AMOUNT KNOWING THAT WE WOULD HA WE WE HAD THE APPROVAL TO BOND LATER ON.
BUT I, I DON'T KNOW HOW TO DO THAT BECAUSE A RESOLUTION DOESN'T BIND A FUTURE COUNCIL.
SO THERE MAY BE A WAY TO, TO DO THAT.
BUT IN ANY EVENT, SO, UM, I THINK THAT WAS ALL I HAD ON THAT, IF THERE'S ANY OTHER, UH, COMMENTS.
NO, I MEAN, WELL, YOU KNOW, LET, LET ME JUST MAKE IT CLEAR FOR THE COUNSELING, FOR THE RECORD THAT, UM, OUR STAFF, THE TEAM THAT WE PUT TOGETHER WITH WHITNEY AND JARED AND JOHN, UM, AS THE AIRPORT DIRECTOR, UM, HAVE MET MANY TIMES ON THE AIRPORT EXPANSION WHEN THE BIDS CAME IN SUBSTANTIALLY BEYOND WHAT YOU ALL HAD BEEN TOLD AND WHAT I HAD BEEN TOLD FOR YEARS LEADING UP TO THAT BID PROCESS, YOU KNOW, IT WAS, YOU ALL WERE TOLD REPEATEDLY 32 MILLION, 32 MILLION, 32 MILLION TO DO THE AIRPORT EXPANSION.
IS THAT 52 MILLION OR PLUS NORTH OF 50 AS THE ACTUAL COST? SO WE'RE SUBSTANTIALLY SHORT AND NOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT NUMBERS IN THE $70 MILLION RANGE.
SO IT'S GONNA KEEP INCREASING AS WE DON'T DO IT.
BUT THE, THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS WE DO NOT HAVE THE MONEY, UH, TO DO ANYTHING MORE THAN WHAT WE HAVE ALREADY DONE.
AND THE STAFF HAS MET AND WE AS A GROUP COLLECTIVELY DECIDED TO REBID THE PROJECT IN PHASES SO THAT WE COULD DO IT BASED ON THE CURRENT REVENUE THAT WE HAD ON HAND TO DO THE CERTAIN PHASES.
WOULD IT BE GREAT TO DO THE WHOLE THING AT ONE TIME? YES, IT WOULD.
BUT WE'RE GONNA BE SITTING HERE PAYING DEBT IF WE ISSUE DEBT NOW, WE'RE GONNA BE SITTING HERE PAYING DEBT SERVICE ON THAT DEBT, UM, WHILE THE AIRPORT IS UNDER CONSTRUCTION.
AND WE'RE NOT GONNA BE GETTING ANY ADDITIONAL REVENUE OUT OF THAT.
AND WHILE IT'S UNDER CONSTRUCTION, OUR REVENUES MIGHT ACTUALLY DECLINE CAUSE PEOPLE MIGHT BE AGGRAVATED WITH THE CONSTRUCTION AND, AND THE AIRLINES MAY DO THAT.
IN ADDITION, THE ECONOMY, WE DO NOT KNOW WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN WITH THE ECONOMY WITH THESE AIRLINES COMING INTO HILTON HEAD.
AND SO WE HAVE PEOPLE THAT ARE HIRED TO DO THESE THINGS.
THEY'VE MADE A RECOMMENDATION THAT I THOUGHT EVERYONE WAS ON THE SAME PAGE WITH, UH, AS FAR AS THE WAY WE WOULD PROCEED, WE HAVE PROCEEDED UNDERNEATH THAT DIRECTION.
UH, AND THAT DOES NOT INCLUDE DOING A BOND.
WE WILL HAVE TO BOND EVENTUALLY IF WE'RE GONNA COMPLETE THE PROJECT FULLY.
THE AIRPORT IS AN ENTERPRISE FUND.
THE AIRPORT IS IN DEBT TO THE GENERAL FUND AT ABOUT $8 MILLION.
IF YOU CAN'T USE ALL OF YOUR REVENUE STREAM TO COVER DEBT, BECAUSE NOT ONLY WHEN YOU BUILD IT, YOU GOTTA COVER SALARIES, YOU GOTTA COVER ALL THE THINGS THAT YOU'RE COVERING FOR THE AIRPORT TO OPERATE ANYWAY.
AND THEN ADDITION TO THAT, YOU'RE GOTTA COVER, YOU GOTTA HAVE REVENUE TO COVER THE OPERATION OF MAINTENANCE OF THAT NEW NICE FACILITY THAT YOU'RE GETTING READY TO BUILD.
AND THE NUMBERS JUST AREN'T WORKING OUT AT THIS POINT IN FAVOR OF US DOING A BOND.
AND I DON'T THINK WE COULD, I DON'T THINK WE COULD GET A, A LENDING INSTITUTION TO GIVE US A BOND.
UM, ANYTHING ELSE FOR THE GOOD OF THE CAUSE I KNOW IF WE HAD A COUPLE PEOPLE COME IN, ANY OTHER CITIZENS THAT WANTED TO SPEAK, JIM, IF I GET A MOMENT OF, UH, PERSONAL BRUISE, I APPRECIATE IT.
UH, I DO BELIEVE IN FAIR ELECTION, AND THIS IS ELECTION SEASON AT THIS TIME.
PROBLEM IS THAT THERE ARE FOLKS OUT THERE THAT ARE SABOTAGING SIGNS AND, AND, AND TAKING SIGNS DOWN.
AND I WANT TO CALL ON ALL ELECTED OFFICIALS, UH, TO DENOUNCE THAT AND FOR THE SHERIFF TO MONITOR TO SEE WHAT IS HAPPENING OUT THERE BECAUSE
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IT, IT'S NOT FAIR, I BELIEVE IN THE FAIR ELECTION AND EVERYBODY HAS A RIGHT TO CAMPAIGN AND WHEN YOU HAVE SIGNS BEING TAKEN DOWN AND TAKEN AWAY, IT IS NOT RIGHT.SO I'M JUST WANT TO THANK YOU, SIR.