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[I. CALL TO ORDER]
AND THIS IS THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION, WEDNESDAY, OCTOBER 5TH.UM, WE CAN HAVE A CALL TO ORDER, PLEASE, OR I WILL CALL IT CHAIRMAN BRUCE TRIMER.
PRESENT VICE CHAIRMAN JESSE SOLOMON.
SO WE'RE MISSING THREE, BUT WE HAVE FOUR, SO THEREFORE WE DO HAVE A QUORUM.
SO WE'RE, UM, MEETING NOTICE REGARDING
[III. NOTICE REGARDING ADJOURNMENT]
A GERMAN.THEY START PRESERVATION COMMISSION WILL NOT HEAR NEW ITEMS AFTER 9:30 PM AND UNLESS AUTHORIZED BY MAJORITY VOTE VOTED, THE COMMISSION MEMBERS PRESENT ITEMS WHICH NOT HAVE BEEN HEARD BEFORE.
NINE 30 MAY BE CONTINUED TO THE NEXT REGULAR MEETING OR SPECIAL MEETING DATE AS DETERMINED BY THE COMMISSION MEMBERS NOTICE REGARDING PUBLIC
[IV. NOTICE REGARDING PUBLIC COMMENTS]
COMMENTS.EVERY MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC WHO IS RECOGNIZED TO SPEAK SHALL ADDRESS THE CHAIRMAN.
AND IN SPEAKING, AVOID DISRESPECT TO COMMISSION STAFF AND OTHER MEMBERS OF THE MEETING.
STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS WHEN SPEAKING FOR THE RECORD, COMMENTS ARE LIMITED TO THREE MINUTES.
UH, DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS? ALL OF OUR PUBLIC COMMENTS ARE FOR ITEMS ON THE AGENDA,
[V. ADOPTION OF THE AGENDA]
ADOPTION OF THE AGENDA.I'M LOOKING FOR THE MOTION FOR THE ADOPTION OF OUR AGENDA.
I'LL MAKE A MOTION FOR ADOPTION OF THE AGENDA.
ANY DISCUSSION? IF NOT ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.
ANY OPPOSED? ADOPTION OF MINUTES
[VI. ADOPTION OF MINUTES]
FAR AS SEPTEMBER 7TH, 2022 MINUTES.UH, CAN I GET A MOTION ON THAT PLEASE? I'LL, UM, MAKE A MOTION FOR ADOPTION OF THE, UH, MINUTES FOR SEPTEMBER 7TH.
ANY DISCUSSION IS NOT ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.
I ANY OPPOSED? AN ADOPTION OF MINUTES? UM, PUBLIC COMMENTS, ITEMS NOT ON AGENDA.
OLD BUSINESS, ANY OLD BUSINESSES DISCUSS.
LOOKS LIKE WE DO NOT HAVE ANY.
[IX.1. Certificate of Appropriateness: A request by James Atkins on behalf of the owner, Ryan Williamson, for approval of a Certificate of Appropriateness- HD to allow the construction of a new accessory structure of approximately 80 SF to be located at 1301 May River, in the Promenade Development, in the Old Town Bluffton Historic District and zoned Neighborhood Core-HD. (COFA-04-22-016686) (Staff - Katie Peterson)]
ITEMS ON OUR AGENDA TODAY, AND IT LOOKS LIKE KATIE, YOU'RE UP ON, UH, THREE OF THEM.AND, UH, WE HAVE GLEN ON THE, SO FIRST ONE PLEASE.
AND WE HAVE OUR APPLICANT FOR THE, WE DO.
SO TONIGHT THE FIRST APPLICATION ON OUR AGENDA IS THE A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO ALLOW THE CONSTRUCTION OF A NEW ACCESSORY STRUCTURE OF APPROXIMATELY 80 SQUARE FEET TO BE LOCATED AT 1301 MAY RIVER ROAD.
IT IS IN THE PROMENADE DEVELOPMENT, WHICH IS AN OLD TOWN BLOCK HISTORIC DISTRICT, AND IT IS OWND NEIGHBORHOOD CORE HD.
THIS IS THE, UM, BUILDING AT 1301.
YOU HAVE SEEN THIS BUILDING RECENTLY BECAUSE THESE STAIRWAYS WERE ADDED ON JUST RECENTLY.
UM, THAT APPLICATION WAS BEFORE YOU.
TONIGHT, THE APPLICATION IS A REQUEST FOR THIS COOLER STRUCTURE HERE ON THE REAR OF THE BUILDING, WHICH IS THE LIGHTER OF THE TWO ACCESSORY STRUCTURES BEHIND THE STR, BEHIND THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE, A PROPOSED REAR AND LEFT ELEVATIONS ARE HERE.
SO THIS IS THE NORTH ELEVATION, WHICH THIS IS IF YOU WERE STANDING IN THE PARKING AREA, KIND OF THE DUMPSTER IS, UM, OFF TO THE LEFT HAND SIDE OF THE SCREEN HERE.
AND THEN THE WEST ELEVATION, THIS IS IF YOU WERE STANDING CLOSER TO, UM, THE ENTRANCE TO THE PROMENADE.
THE EAST ELEVATION IS IF YOU WERE STANDING CLOSER TO, UH, MAY RIVER ROAD AND THEN THE SOUTH ELEVATION IS IF YOU WERE STANDING WITH YOUR BACK AGAINST THE BUILDING.
LOOKING TOWARDS THE STRUCTURE.
SO THIS IS THE STRUCTURE RIGHT HERE.
THIS IS THE FENCE DETAIL THAT HAS BEEN PROPOSED.
SO IT IS A NINE FOOT, UM, 11 AND A QUARTER, I BELIEVE THAT SAYS IT MIGHT BE 11 AND A HALF INCH FENCE.
THIS IS THE RENDERING THAT THEY PROVIDED.
SO IT'LL BE SEATED NEXT TO THE EXISTING, UM, ACCESSORY STRUCTURE THAT'S BACK THERE.
AND THEN THEY DID PROVIDE AN EXAMPLE OF AN EIGHT FOOT HIGH SERVICE FENCE.
THIS IS IN THE HIGHWAY CORRIDOR.
JUST AS A NOTE, IT IS IN THE, IN DOWNTOWN BLUFFTON, BUT IT'S IN THE HIGHWAY CORRIDOR THERE.
AND THEN THIS IS THE STRUCTURE DETAIL.
SO IT IS A RECTANGULAR BOX STRUCTURE THAT
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IS MADE OF METAL.THE EXISTING CONDITIONS ARE HERE.
SO THIS IS THE EXISTING STRUCTURE BACK THERE.
YOU CAN SEE WITH THE LIVING FENCE THAT IS CURRENTLY ACTING AS A SERVICE FENCE BACK THERE.
AND THE EXISTING PRIMARY STRUCTURE IS WHAT YOU SEE RIGHT HERE AS THE HPC CONSIDERS A REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF REPORT AS THERE A REVIEW CRITERIA.
THEY ARE FOUND IN SECTION 3 18 3 OF OUR UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT ORDINANCE.
AND THE HPC IS AUTHORIZED TO APPROVE THE APPLICATION IS SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT, APPROVE THE APPLICATION WITH CONDITIONS OR DENY THE APPLICATION IS SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT.
TELL STAFF HAS FOUND THAT IT DOESN'T MEET THE CRITERIA AND SHOULD BE DENIED BASED ON THE FOLLOWING CRITERIA.
THE FIRST IS THAT THE STRUCTURE DOES NOT COMPLY WITH THE ARCHITECTURAL STANDARDS.
A PRE-FABRICATED COOLER DOES NOT COMPLY WITH THOSE BECAUSE IT DOESN'T MEET THE WALL MATERIAL OR THE ROOF MATERIAL FOR IT.
UM, THE SECOND ONE IS THE, IS THE WALLS, AND THE THIRD IS THE ROOF.
SO THOSE ON TOP OF EACH OTHER'S MAKE UP THE FIRST ONE THERE.
AND THEN THE FOURTH ONE IS THAT IN REAR INSIDE YARDS, GARDEN WALL FENCES AND HEDGES SHALL BE A MAXIMUM OF SIX FEET IN HEIGHT.
THE PROPOSED FENCES AT NINE FEET, 11.25 INCHES IN HEIGHT.
AND THEN THE LAST ONE IS THAT IN APPLICA OR A LETTER OF APPROVAL OF THE DESIGN FROM THE ARB MUST BE PROVIDED AND, AND NOT HAS, HAS NOT YET BEEN PROVIDED.
UM, SO THAT IS STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION.
AGAIN, THE APPLICANT IS HERE TO DISCUSS IT.
I DON'T BELIEVE WE HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS ONE, NOT THIS ONE.
SO WE DO NOT HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS APPLICATION, BUT I AM HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
AND THEN JAMES IS HERE TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT BECAUSE DO YOU WANNA STEP TO THE PODIUM? WE'D LOVE TO THANK YOU AND SPEAK INTO THE MICROPHONE SO WE COULD BE RECORDED.
JAMES ATKINS WITH COURT ATKINS GROUP.
UM, AS YOU MAY RECALL, A FEW MONTHS AGO WE HAD A LENGTHY R C CONVERSATION.
IF I COULD GO BACK TO THE PHOTOS, AM I GONNA MESS ANYTHING ELSE OR NO, HE WAS, UM, ABOUT, AND I BELIEVE AT THE TIME WE WERE CALLING THE CARRIAGE HOUSE IN LIEU OF A GARDEN STRUCTURE.
UM, AND WE CERTAINLY HAVE, I GUESS WHAT YOU CLASSIFY AS A GARDEN STRUCTURE AROUND THE EXISTING COOLER, WHICH NEIGHBORS THE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY TO THE EAST.
AND LOOKING AT THE TOP LEFT PHOTO, UM, YOU CAN SEE WHERE THE DUMPSTER IS.
IT'S ACTUALLY NOT OFF TO THE LEFT.
IT'S DIRECTLY, UH, BEHIND WHERE WE'RE, YOU REALLY DON'T EVEN SEE WHAT WE'RE FROM BEING PROPOSED FROM THAT.
THE FENCE IS BEING MAINTAINED, THE FENCE IS BEING MAINTAINED, THAT'S AROUND THE EXISTING TRANSFORMER.
AND THEN REALLY THE ONLY PLACE THAT YOU WOULD SEE THIS IS BEHIND THESE CARS.
IF YOU'VE EVER TRIED TO PARK BACK THERE, 99% OF THE TIME THERE'S CARS AND YOU'RE NOT TAKING ANY PARKING SPACES, NOT TAKING ANY PARKING SPACES.
SO THE, THE PROPOSED APPLICATION AS, AS WE PRESENTED IT TO TOWN STAFF WAS WE WOULD CONSIDER THIS KIND OF A SERVICE YARD FENCE THAT IS HIGHER THAN THE SIX FEET MAXIMUM AND ASKING FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION TO MAKE IT A TALLER SERVICE YARD FENCE TO ADEQUATELY SCREEN THE EQUIPMENT, WHICH IS WHAT THE SERVICE YARD FENCES WOULD BE.
SO IT WOULD BE REALLY NOT MUCH DIFFERENT THAN TRYING TO SCREEN A, UH, BENT HOOD COMING OUT OF A KITCHEN OR THAT MIGHT BE AT EIGHT OR NINE FEET OR A LARGER PIECE OF EQUIPMENT, A COOLER SIMILAR TO, UH, THAT'S PIECE OF EQUIP TO OPERATE.
I I RECALL WE HAVE APPROVED SOMETHING OF THIS NATURE IN THE PAST.
UM, I THOUGHT WE DID THIS RECENTLY.
SO THERE HAS BEEN A FENCE THAT HAS BEEN APPROVED AT A HIGHER, A HIGHER HEIGHT THAN WHAT IS THE SIX FEET.
UM, THERE HAVE BEEN A COUPLE EXAMPLES OF THIS IN THE REAR STRUCTURES, HOWEVER, WE HAVE NOT YET APPROVED A STRUCTURE THAT DOES NOT MEET THE ARCHITECTURAL STANDARDS TO FIT INSIDE THAT.
UM, THIS IS A COOLER WHICH HAS THE SPACE IN IT, THAT IS A PORTION OF THE OPERATION OF, OF A THE USE.
SO IT'S A COOLER FOR THE RESTAURANT.
UM, AND WE DO NOT HAVE YET A STANDALONE COOLER THAT DOES NOT MEET THE ARCHITECTURAL STANDARDS BECAUSE IT IS IDENTIFIED AS EITHER A CARRIAGE HOUSE OR GARDEN STRUCTURE, DEPENDING ON THE SIZE OF IT.
UM, THE LANGUAGE ABOUT GARDEN STRUCTURES THAT SPOKE TO THE COMMERCIAL ASPECT OF IT HAS BEEN REMOVED FROM THE UDO.
SO IT COULD BE CLASSIFIED AS EITHER A GARDEN STRUCTURE OR A CARRIAGE HOUSE.
BUT EITHER ONE OF THOSE DOES NEED TO MEET THE ARCHITECTURAL STANDARDS.
AND, AND I GUESS TO TO MY QUESTION IS IT'S THE PIECE EQUIPMENT WHICH CAN BE TAKEN APART MOVED, REALLY NOT MUCH DIFFERENT THAN SWAPPING OUT A 10 TIME EACH SCREEN WALL.
SO THAT'S WHERE I, AND IN THIS PARTICULAR INSTANCE THAT'S FRONTED BY A DUMPSTER, A LARGE, UM,
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TRASH COMPACTOR AND A TRANSFORMER THAT'S ALREADY SCREENED ASKING FOR CONSIDERATION, UM, THAT IN THIS SPECIFIC INSTANCE WITH THE EXISTING CONDITIONS THAT ALREADY SCREENED THIS, THAT WE DON'T SEE THIS STRUCTURE AT ALL.WE DO WANT TO SCREEN THE PIECE OF EQUIPMENT.
I WILL, I WILL SAY THAT IF WE GO BACK TO THIS ELEVATION HERE, AND YOU CAN SEE THE EXISTING STRUCTURE ON THE LEFT, WHICH IS BORED AND BATON WITH A SLOPED ROOF.
AND YOU CAN, WE DID ADD A DETAILED SIM, WE PUT THIS NOT DOWN AS REFERENCE, BUT JUST AS A, HERE'S A EXAMPLE OF A DETAIL WHERE THE SOLID PART OF THE SERVICE YARD IS SIX FEET TALL TO GIVE THE ESSENCE OF WHAT IS KIND OF OUTLINED IN THE, UM, DESIGN GUIDELINES AS A SIX FOOT HIGH SERVICE REFERENCE AND THEN MORE OF A HORIZONTAL LATTICE OR HORIZONTAL HOG FENCING.
UH, FOR THE SECTIONS THAT ARE ABOVE THE, UM, SIX FEET TO LIGHTEN IT UP A LITTLE BIT, YOU CAN STILL SEE THAT IT WOULD, YOU KNOW, SCREEN THE SERVICE RIGHT.
AGAIN, BACK TO THIS PHOTO, YOU WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SOMETHING RIGHT HERE.
UM, SO YOU'RE REALLY NOT GONNA SEE IT.
BUT I WOULD SAY THAT IF THE, IF YOU ALL FEEL LIKE THE ROOF IS AN IMPORTANT ELEMENT TO MAKE THIS THING A GARDEN STRUCTURE, WE COULD BASICALLY KEEP THIS EXACT SAME DESIGN, UH, MAYBE EXTEND THE BOARD AND BATTEN ALL THE WAY UP JUST LIKE THE STRUCTURE TO THE LEFT AND PUT A LOW SLOPE ROOF ON IT.
UM, I WOULD ARGUE THAT NEVER SEE THE, IT WOULD LOOK JUST LIKE THIS, BUT WITH A ROOF ON IT.
UM, AND AGAIN, IF, IF, IF THE REQUIREMENT IS WE REALLY WANT IT TO BE CONSIDERED A GARDEN STRUCTURE AND HAVE BOARD AND BATTEN WALLS AND A SLOPED ROOF LIKE THE EXISTING STRUCTURE TO THE LEFT, WE WOULD CONSIDER THAT IT WILL BE THE EXACT SAME THING JUST BEEN CLOSED WITH A ROOF.
SO, UH, I'M HERE IN FRONT OF YOU TO SEEK YOUR COMMENTS, UM, AND, AND TRY TO MOVE THE APPLICATION FORWARD.
I DON'T HAVE A COMMENT ON THIS MR. CHAIRMAN BAIL OBJECT, JUST A MOMENT.
THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE APPLICATION, BUT TECHNICAL DIFFICULTIES WITH THE COUNTY CHANNEL AT THE MOMENT.
SO, UM, I I'M, IT IS BEING STREAMED ON THE YOUTUBE.
WE WERE BUMPED BY ANOTHER MEETING.
WE WERE JUST HAVING SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT, SO I WANTED TO MAKE SURE AND THEN WE CAN NOTIFY PEOPLE ACCORDINGLY WHO WANTED TO STILL BEING RECORDED.
IT IS STILL BEING RECORDED, IS STILL BEING LIVE, BUT IS NOT BEING LIVESTREAMED ON THE COUNTY CHANNEL.
SO I JUST NEED TO TELL, NEED TO LET LET FOLKS KNOW.
I JUST WANTED TO INTERJECT THERE AND FIGURE OUT IF THERE'S A TECHNICAL ISSUE.
SO YOU'RE NOT, IF YOU'RE NOT ABLE TO SEE THIS, YOU NEED TO GO SOMEPLACE ELSE, BUT HOW DO YOU KNOW TO GO SOMEPLACE ELSE? WELL, NEVER MIND
I'LL, I'LL LET THE SMARTER PEOPLE FIGURE THAT.
SO WITH THAT, WERE YOU SAYING SUSPEND CONVERSATION ON THIS SO WE CAN MOVE FORWARD NOW? THANK Y'ALL.
I WAS JUST GONNA ASK, AND PART OF THIS WASN'T, UH, WHEN I WAS LOOKING AT THE PLAN, SO THE CURRENT, LIKE THE, THE PART THAT IS, UM, SLANTED RIGHT NOW AT THE TOP, THAT'S NOT A, THERE'S NOT A ROOF THERE, IT'S JUST A, THAT'S HELD THE, ESSENTIALLY A FENCE, THREE SIDED FENCE IS, UM, I MEAN I COM I MEAN THIS IS, I MEAN I'VE BACK THERE A FAIR, A FAIR AMOUNT.
I MEAN I DO GET YOUR POINT THAT THIS IS A COMPLETELY, I WOULD SAY LIKE UTILITARIAN, UM, AREA.
THE, I MEAN THE CURRENT DUMPSTER DOES COVER MOST OF IT, BUT I MEAN, TO ME, I THINK, I MEAN WHAT YOU'VE, I WOULD HAVE TO FEEL COMFORTABLE.
I WOULD ONLY FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH WHAT YOU OUTLINED BEFORE, WHICH WOULD BE TRULY MAKING THIS A GARDEN STRUCTURE.
UM, I CAN'T SEE HOW TO FIT IT IN ANYWHERE.
UM, OTHERWISE, AND WHAT, I MEAN, WHAT I WOULD MEAN BY THAT WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, ON FOUR, FOUR SIDES WITH A ROOF.
UM, NOTION, LOOKING AT THIS DESIGN, AND AGAIN, YOU'LL SEE THIS AND YOU'LL SEE THE KIND OF RED AREA IN COMPARISON TO THIS STRUCTURE RIGHT HERE.
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IS THAT, THAT BECOMES THE STRUCTURE.NOT, NOT, IT BECOMES, IT BECOMES THE EXACT SAME DRAWING.
AND WE'RE WE JUST WELL IT'S A TWO TWO-SIDED.
YOU'RE SHOWING A TWO-SIDED STRUCTURE.
WELL IT NEEDS TO COMPLY, RIGHT? SO THE, THE THIS SIDE AND THE SIDE FACING THE FARM.
WHAT IS THE FIRST ONE CONSIDERED? THE FIRST STRUCTURE.
AND ARE THEY PERMITTED TO HAVE ONE OR TWO? IT MAY HAVE BEEN CLASSIFIED AS A CARRIAGE HOUSE AT THE TIME THAT IT CAME THROUGH BECAUSE IT, THE, UM, DEFINITION, CAN YOU SCROLL THE VERY LAST PAGE OF THIS LEDGE? I'M SORRY.
UM, SO THE GARDEN STRUCTURE DEFINITION, IT PREVIOUSLY HAD INFORMATION IN THERE THAT, UH, DIDN'T ALLOW FOR ANY COMMERCIAL USE IN IT.
SO IT WOULD'VE BEEN CAR CLASSIFIED AS A CARRIAGE HOUSE BECAUSE THE PROMENADE IS UNDER A DEVELOPMENT PLAN THAT PREDATES THIS ORDINANCE.
UM, THE DENSITY STANDARDS THAT ARE PROVIDED FOR IN IT DOESN'T SO SUPPLY THE NUMBER OF ACCESSORY STRUCTURES BECAUSE THE SQUARE FOOTAGE IS ALLOTTED FOR THROUGH THAT DEVELOPMENT PLAN RATHER THAN LIKE IT IS ON A SINGLE FAMILY INDIVIDUAL OR AN INDIVIDUAL LOT OUTSIDE OF DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
BUT THE GARDEN STRUCTURE DEFINITION IS WHAT IS RIGHT HERE.
UM, AND IT DOESN'T SPECIFY THAT THAT COOLER COULDN'T BE CONSIDERED A GARDEN STRUCTURE, SO IT WOULDN'T HAVE TO BE BUMPED UP INTO THAT CARRIAGE HOUSE STRUCTURE IS IT PREVIOUSLY DID.
WELL CAN I JUST ASK, JUST TO FOLLOW UP ON THAT, WOULD, IF THIS WAS ENCLOSED ON ALL FOUR SIDES, UH, AND WAS A GARDEN SCRIPTURE, WOULD THAT COMPLY WITH THE U OR WITH DENSITY? I WOULD, UM, I HAVEN'T SEEN ELEVATIONS.
I MEAN LIKE OBVIOUSLY I CAN'T SPEAK TO THAT MEAN IF IT LOOKED IDENTICAL TO THE ONE THAT EXISTS OUT THERE CURRENTLY, IT WOULD COMPLY WITH THESE STANDARDS AND MEET THE REQUIREMENTS LOOK LIKE FENCE.
SO YOU JUST HAVE HAD TWO SIDES AND PUT A ROOF ON IT AND THAT WOULD BE COMPLETE? I WOULD THINK SO WOULD THINK THAT THAT WOULD BE, THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING AND THAT WOULD BE NO, I, I THINK, I MEAN I'LL LET THE, UM, REST OF THE, UH, BOARD, UH, MAKE THEIR THOUGHTS DONE, BUT I, YEAH, I WOULD LIKE IT OPEN.
I MEAN THAT'S MY HANGUP IS THAT THERE'S NOT A ROOF, SO IT'S NOT A STRUCTURE, IT'S JUST A THREE-SIDED FENCE.
BUT I, UM, LOOKING AT THE TWO-SIDED, SORRY, IT'S AN L UM, LOOKING AT THIS, I MEAN I WOULD BE FINE WITH HAVING IT OPEN WITH FLATS AT THE TOP AS YOU CURRENTLY HAVE IT.
I THINK IF HOW BIG THE COOLER IS THAT WOULD BE, UM, THE MASS WOULD BE, UH, REALLY BIG COMPARED TO THE OTHER.
I I WOULD SAY YOU DON'T HAVE TO NECESSARILY DO IT EXACTLY LIKE THE ONE ON THE LEFT.
YEAH, WE'D LIKE TO ACTUALLY KEEP THIS A LITTLE LESS SO THAT IT'S NOT SO TALL FACING THE, AS LONG AS POLE TO MAKE IT DISAPPEAR, NOT GLORIFY IT.
UM, BUT IF WE NEED TO BUILD A STRUCTURE ON IT TO BASICALLY YOU'RE BUILDING A, IF YOU BUILT A FORESIGHTED FENCE IN A SENSE WITH A ROOF ON IT, THAT WOULD BECOME THE STRUCTURE AND WE DON'T CARE WHAT'S INSIDE OF IT.
BASICALLY WHAT I WOULD PROPOSE, IF YOU ALL WOULD FEEL LIKE IF THE NOTION OF A NINE AND A HALF FOOT TALL FENCE, YOU KNOW, ASKING FOR A MODULATION ON THE HEIGHT OF THE SERVICE YARD FENCE ISN'T AN OPTION, YOU'D RATHER SEE IT INSIDE A GARDEN STRUCTURE.
THEN I WOULD JUST ASK FOR UR ALL'S OPINIONS THAT IF WE MADE THIS GARDEN STRUCTURE LOOK ESSENTIALLY LIKE THE GARDEN STRUCTURE TO THE LEFT AND WE WOULD, IT WOULD LOOK EXACTLY LIKE THAT FACING THE FARM, WHICH, YOU KNOW, IS BEHIND THE BUILDING AND THIS SIDE WOULD LOOK JUST LIKE GORDON BATTON BASICALLY JUST PUT IT AROUND.
JUST, UM, I WANTED TO, I WANTED TO BRING IT IN FRONT OF YOU ALL TO GET ADDITIONAL FEEDBACK FROM THE H PRC THAT TO SEE IF A SERVICE YARD FENCE THAT WAS NINE AND HALF FEET TALL WAS, UH, APPROPRIATE, UM, IN LIEU OF A GARDEN STRUCTURE.
UM, BUT AT LEAST JESSE SHARED YOU'D RATHER SEE A GARDEN STRUCTURE THAN NINE AND A HALF FOOT TALL SERVICE YARD FENCES ALREADY THERE.
UM, I BELIEVE WHAT THE CONCRETE PAD IS ALREADY.
SO YEAH, THERE'S A SOLUTION WITHOUT HAVING TO SET A NEW PRECEDENT THEN, OR MAKE AN EXCEPTION, THEN I THINK THAT'S FOR BEST ROUTE.
AND IN THE INSTANCE THERE IS, I, THERE'S BOTH, THERE'S GARDEN STRUCTURES THROUGHOUT THE WELL DOWN THERE ARE ALSO SERVICE YARD FENCES, OOPS, SORRY, THAT ARE TALLER THAN SIX FEET, UM, THAT HAVE BEEN APPROVED AS WELL.
SO, SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, I GUESS, UH, ANY
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OTHER DISCUSSION WITH THAT, WITH YOUR COMMENTS, IF I MAY, UH, JUST WITHDRAW THE APPLICATION AND ALLOW US TO GO BACK AND TABLE, SORRY, TABLE THE APPLICATION SO THAT WE CAN MAKE THE ADJUSTMENTS AS DISCUSSED TO BEING TABLE THAT DOESN'T, THAT MAKES IT EASIER FOR THEM TO BRING IT BACK.IF I RECALL FROM OUR DISCUSSIONS PREVIOUS, YES SIR.
SO IT WAS DENIED OR IF IT WAS WITHDRAWN COMPLETELY, IT'D HAVE TO START BACK OVER.
UH, SO I'M LOOKING FOR A MOTION TO TABLE THIS.
UH, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.
LOOKS LIKE YOU'RE UP AGAIN NEXT.
[IX.2. Certificate of Appropriateness: A request by Pearce Scott Architects, on behalf of the Owner, Billy Watterson, for approval of a Certificate of Appropriateness - HD to allow the construction of a new 3,985 SF 2-story mixed-use building identified as De Maket, which will be in the Ma Daisy's Porch Development Plan, on the parcel currently addressed as 1255 May River Road, in the Old Town Bluffton Historic District and zoned Neighborhood General-HD. (COFA-06-22- 016822) (Staff - Katie Peterson)]
AND DO WE HAVE THE APPLICANT? WE DO.AMANDA IS HERE TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF THE AMANDA WAS, I WAS GONNA SAY AMANDA'S HERE.
AMANDA STILL IS HERE TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICATION.
THE NEXT APPLICATION THAT WE HAVE BEFORE US TODAY IS A REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO ALLOW THE CONSTRUCTION OF A NEW 3,985 SQUARE FOOT TWO STORY MIXED USE BUILDING IDENTIFIED AS
AND IT IS ZONE NEIGHBORHOOD GENERAL HD.
BEFORE WE GET TOO FAR INTO THIS, THE ADDRESSES FOR THESE SITES WILL END UP CHANGING ALONG WITH THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN BECAUSE THEY CANNOT ALL BE 1255 MA RIVER ROAD, BUT RIGHT NOW THIS PARCEL IS, UM, 1255 MA RIVER ROAD.
SO, UM, I'LL GET THAT OUT OF THE WAY AND NOT REPEAT IT ON THE NEXT TWO APPLICATIONS.
THIS IS THE FULL SITE THAT YOU WERE LOOKING AT HERE.
I HAVE HIGHLIGHTED IN YELLOW THE PARCEL THAT WE ARE DISCUSSING WITH THIS REQUEST.
SO THIS IS
AND THEN THE REST OF THE DEVELOPMENT THAT YOU CURRENTLY RECOGNIZE AS THIS LARGER DEVELOPMENT THAT IS NOT BEING TOUCHED AS PART OF ANY OF THESE FAIR APPLICATIONS IS TO THE LEFT OF THE SCREEN HERE, TO THE RIGHT OF THE SCREEN, THERE'S A DRAINAGE DITCH THAT RUNS ALONG THE RIGHT SIDE OF THIS.
AND THEN THE WATERSHED OR GINNY KITTY MUNICIPAL BUILDING, WHICH IS THE, UM, WATERSHED BUILDING WITH THE LITTLE HAIRPIN AWNING.
SO YOU'VE GOT YOUR BEARINGS ABOUT YOU, I'VE, I HAVE HIGHLIGHTED IT IN YELLOW.
I'VE DONE A LOT OF HIGHLIGHTING THROUGH HERE BECAUSE IT WAS EASIER, UM, WITH THESE PLANS, WHICH ARE VERY DETAILED.
THANK YOU, THE DETAIL ON THOSE.
UM, BUT JUST SO THAT IT'S EASIER TO SEE SOME OF THOSE.
SO HERE IS THE FIRST FLOOR PLAN.
AS YOU CAN SEE THERE ARE STALLS IN HERE, UM, TO ACT AS A MARKET AND THERE IS A PATH THAT RUNS THROUGH THE STRUCTURE THERE.
THIS IS THE SECOND FLOOR WHICH HAS THREE DWELLING UNITS ON IT OR IN IT I GUESS.
YOU CAN SEE THIS BETTER AS YOU LOOK AT THE ELEVATION.
SO THIS IS THE FRONT ELEVATION WHICH ACTUALLY FACES INTERNAL TO THE DEVELOPMENT.
SO IT FACES, UM, TOWARDS THE, THE STRUCTURES THAT ARE NOT BEING TOUCHED ON THE SITE OR THE LEFT HAND SIDE.
IF YOU'RE STANDING ON MAY RIVER ROAD, THIS IS THE REAR ELEVATION WHICH FACES TOWARDS THE WATERSHED BUILDING.
THIS IS THE LEFT ELEVATION, WHICH, UM, FACES TOWARDS THE, I'M GETTING BACKWARDS.
THE BACK OF THE PROPERTY, THE FULL PROPERTY AND THE RIGHT ELEVATION, WHICH FACES TOWARDS MAY RIVER ROAD, HOWEVER, WILL BE LOCATED BEHIND ANOTHER STRUCTURE.
SO, UM, YOU WILL NOT SEE THIS DIRECTLY FROM MAY RIVER ROAD.
IT IS SET BACK PRETTY FAR OFF THE STREET, BUT THIS IS WHAT THAT FRONT OR THE RIGHT BUT FRONT OF THE FULL LOT LOOKS LIKE.
UM, YOU CAN SEE IT'S A BRICK STRUCTURE.
IT HAS THIS VERY LARGE DORMER THAT IS LOCATED, UM, IN THE SECOND STORY TO GIVE IT A LITTLE MORE SPACE UP THERE THAT'S ON BOTH SIDES OF IT.
AND THEN THIS IS AN ARCH THAT IS SET OFFSET FROM THE BRICK PLANE, UM, ABOUT ONE BRICK DEEP.
SO IT DOES HAVE AN OFFSET THERE FOR THE MATERIAL CHANGE.
THEY HAVE ADDED WINDOWS SINCE THE ORIGINAL, UM, PLAN CAME THROUGH AT CONCEPTUAL TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY MET THEIR, UM, REQUIREMENT FOR THE OPACITY STANDARDS ON THE FRONT ELEVATION THERE.
HERE ARE SOME PERSPECTIVES OF THE BUILDING.
SO AGAIN, THIS IS THE ACCESS, WHICH WOULD BE TOWARDS THE REAR OF THAT LOT.
AND THEN, UM, OR THE REAR OF THE, OF THE SITE, THE LEFT SIDE OF THE LOT.
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WE HOPE TO NEVER HAVE TO SEE IT LIKE THIS.DOES THAT MEAN SOMETHING BAD HAS HAPPENED? AND THEN HERE ARE THE SECTIONS AND DETAILS FOR IT.
SO YOU'VE GOT THE SECTION THROUGH THE, UM, LONG WAYS AND THEN THROUGH THE SHIRT, THE DETAILS.
SO YOU'VE GOT YOUR STAIRS AND FOUNDATION, YOU'VE, I'M FLIPPING THROUGH THESE QUICKLY.
I DID REFERENCE A FEW OF THEM IN YOUR STAFF REPORT.
IF WE NEED TO GO BACK AND REFERENCE THEM, WE CAN.
THIS IS THE HARDSCAPING PLAN, WHICH SHOWS THE, UM, SIDEWALK AND THEN IT SHOWS THE TWO SERVICE YARDS.
THE REASON I HAVE THIS INCLUDED ON THIS ONE IS BECAUSE THERE'S A COMMENT ON THOSE, THE BRICK WALLS THERE.
AND THEN THIS IS THE LANDSCAPE PLAN.
IT IS A LITTLE BIT SMALL, BUT IT IS HOPEFULLY VISIBLE.
I CAN TRY AND MAKE IT BIGGER IF WE NEED TO.
UM, AND THEN THIS IS THE DETAILS FOR THE FENCE TYPE ONE, WHICH IS THE LIVING FENCE WITH THE TOP RAIL AND TYPE TWO, WHICH IS THE BRICK PIERCED WALL.
SO YOU CAN SEE THAT THIS DOES HAVE, UM, THE PIERCED BRICK WHERE YOU CAN SEE THROUGH IT PARTIALLY.
AND THEN MORE LANDSCAPE DETAILS.
SO YOU HAVE YOUR TURF AND THE DIFFERENT TYPES OF PAVEMENT THAT WILL BE USED THROUGHOUT THE SITE.
UM, PAVEMENT'S NOT THE RIGHT WORD, BUT THE BRICK DRIVE AND, AND SIDEWALK DETAILS THERE.
THIS IS A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS.
SO THOSE EIGHT REVIEW CRITERIA ARE STILL FOUND IN SECTION 3 18 3 OF OUR UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT ORDINANCE.
YOU ALL HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO APPROVE THE APPLICATION IS SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT, APPROVE THE APPLICATION WAS SUBMITTED AT WITH CONDITIONS OR DENY THE APPLICATION AS SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT.
I AM HAPPY TO GO BACK TO ANY ONE OF THOSE SLIDES SO THAT YOU CAN SEE IT MORE CLOSELY.
UM, TOWN STAFF HAS MADE A RECOMMENDATION.
I BELIEVE WE HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT ON IT.
THE APPLICANT IS HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
AND THEN THE FINAL THING THAT I'M GOING TO DRAW YOUR ATTENTION TO IS, UM, FOR THE RECORD, THERE ARE, THERE'S A LETTER OF COMMENT RESPONSE THAT WAS PROVIDED BY AMANDA, UM, AND PIERCE SCOTT ARCHITECTS TO ADDRESS SOME OF THE ITEMS IN THIS.
I HAVE PROVIDED A COPY TO YOU ALL.
THIS IS A COPY THAT ON THE SCREEN.
UM, ESSENTIALLY IT IS TO HELP GO THROUGH THOSE.
SO I ASK THAT I CAN GO THROUGH THE STAFF CONDITIONS I HAVE HIGHLIGHTED IN BLUE.
I'VE MADE THEM BLUE FOR HOPEFULLY EASE HERE.
THE ONES THAT, THE LETTER THAT WAS PROVIDED THAT DISCUSSED SOME OF THOSE CONDITIONS THAT WERE PLACED ON THERE ARE WILL COMPLIES.
SO SHE HAD THE APPLICANT AND TEAM, BUT I'M KEEP SAYING SHE AND AND HER BECAUSE IT'S AMANDA THAT WROTE ME THIS LETTER.
SO, UM, THE ONES THAT ARE IN BLUE ON YOUR SCREEN ARE THE ONES THAT THEY HAVE NOTED AND HAVE NO ISSUE ADDRESSING TO MEET THE STANDARD THERE.
AND I MAKE IT, UH, IF SOMEONE'S, WHEN SOMEONE'S MAKING THE MOTION, THEN SINCE THEY'VE BEEN ADDRESSED.
AND THESE ARE NOW PART OF THE, SO THIS IS GOING TO BE PART OF, UM, THE MINUTES, CORRECT? YES SIR.
HOWEVER, I ASK THAT YOUR MOTION INCLUDE THEM AS WRITTEN IN YOUR SCREEN.
SO IT WOULD BE IF, IF THE MOTION IS TO APPROVE OR APPROVE OF CONDITIONS, IF YOU APPROVE WITH CONDITIONS, I ASK THAT YOU INCLUDE PER STAFF 1, 2, 3, HOWEVER YOU'D GO THROUGH THAT.
THE THREE AND BLUE ARE THE FIRST THREE THAT SHE'S COMPLIED.
THAT WAY WE KNOW THAT THEY'LL UPDATE THE PLANS BECAUSE WHILE THEY HAVE ON PAPER IN THIS LETTER SAID THAT THEY WILL COMPLY WITH THOSE STANDARDS, THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN, WHICH IS THE FIRST ONE, WHILE THEY SAY THAT THEY'VE RESUBMITTED IT, IT HAS NOT TECHNICALLY BEEN REVIEWED AND APPROVED YET.
SO IT THE, IT HAS BEEN SUBMITTED AND A RESUBMITTAL HAS BEEN RECEIVED.
BUT WE STILL NEED, BEFORE THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS IS ISSUED, THAT TO BE A CONDITION OF THE APPROVAL.
SO THIS WOULD HELP ELIMINATE DISCUSSIONS FOR EXAMPLE ONE, TWO, AND THREE BECAUSE YES, SO I WILL READ THEM, IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS, WE CAN ANSWER THEM.
SO AGAIN, BY MAKING THE MOTION WE STATE THAT, BUT THEN SAY WE'RE UTILIZING THE LETTER DATED OCTOBER 3RD, BLAH BLAH, BLAH AS PART OF THE MOTION.
NO SIR, MR. CHAIRMAN, I THINK THE, THE SIMPLEST WAY TO DO IT, UH, AND AGAIN, I'M, I'M JUMPING AHEAD A BIT AND THERE'S OBVIOUSLY PUBLIC COMMON APPLICANT DISCUSSION.
BUT SAY FOR THE SAKE OF, UH, KIND OF GOING THROUGH THE PROCESS, YOU WANT TO JUST SAY APPROVE WITH CONDITIONS WITH ALL THE STAFF CONDITIONS THAT WERE LISTED TO THE REPORT, YOU WOULD JUST DO A MOTION TO APPROVE WITH CONDITIONS AS LISTED IN STAFF REPORT.
I, I BELIEVE AS, UM, MS. PETERSON WAS, WAS SAYING THE CONDITIONS THAT ARE IN BLUE ARE BEING HIGHLIGHTED BLUE PRIMARILY TO LIMIT DISCUSSION FOR Y'ALL.
AND BUT WE SHOULD STILL INCLUDE THEM IN THE MOTION IF YOU BELIEVE THAT THERE ARE APPROPRIATE CONDITIONS.
AND THEN CLARIFIED THAT HE'S THIS, THIS LETTER WILL BE INCORPORATED WITHIN THE, UH, PACKET, UH, THE, THE MINUTES AND THE PACKET SO THAT EVERYBODY WILL HAVE ACCESS TO IT.
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THE FIRST ITEM IS THAT THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN NEEDS TO BE APPROVED PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF THE CERTIFICATE APPROPRIATENESS.THEY DID HAVE THE FINAL APPLICATION GO BEFORE THE DRC.
THEY HAVE RESUBMITTED THAT RESUBMITTAL HAS NOT YET BEEN, UM, REVIEWED.
AND SO THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN HAS NOT BEEN APPROVED.
UM, IT WILL LIKELY EITHER BE APPROVED OR, UM, ADDITIONAL COMMENTS PROVIDED TO IT.
AT THIS TIME, IT'S NOT YET THERE.
THE SECOND ONE IS THE SUBDIVISION.
THE SUBDIVISION CANNOT BE APPROVED UNTIL THE CERTIFICATE OF, OR I'M SORRY, UNTIL THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN IS APPROVED BECAUSE THE SUBDIVISION IS BASED ON THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
SO THIS IS JUST AN ORDER OF OPERATIONS THING.
IT WILL NEED TO BE REVIEWED, APPROVED, AND RECORDED PRIOR TO ISSUANCE OF THE CERTIFI APPROPRIATENESS BECAUSE UNTIL THE SUBDIVISION IS RECORDED, THERE IS NO LOT FOR THIS TO BE CONSTRUCTED ON.
SO THEREFORE EXCEED THE DENSITY FOR THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.
BUT THAT IS, IT SHOULD BE A NON-ISSUE.
IT SHOULD BE AN ADMINISTRATIVE THING AS LONG AS THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN IS IS REVIEWED AND APPROVED, THEY HAVE ACTUALLY SUBMITTED THE SUBDIVISION.
UM, BUT IT CAN'T BE APPROVED YET.
THE NEXT ONE IS THE DEMOLITION OF THE STRUCTURES WILL NEED TO BE COMPLETED PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCES OF CERTIFICATE DEPARTMENT.
AGAIN, THAT'S BECAUSE THERE ARE STRUCTURES SO THEY CAN'T PUT ANOTHER ONE UNTIL THAT ONE'S GONE.
JUST AS A REMINDER, YOU THAT DEMOLITION.
SO JUST AS A REMINDER, THE REPORT, THE FOURTH ITEM IS THAT SHUTTER SHALL BE ADDED TO ALL WINDOWS THAT CAN ACCEPT THEM ON THIS STRUCTURE.
I COULDN'T FIND A PLACE WHERE YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT THERE.
WHERE ARE YOU TALKING? SO THIS ELEVATION RIGHT HERE, THESE WINDOWS COULD ACCEPT SHUTTERS.
THEY HAVE UTILIZED SHUTTERS ON THE FIRST FLOOR FOR ALL OF THESE WINDOWS, BUT THEY DID NOT INCLUDE THEM ON THE SECOND STORY, WHICH IS HERE ON THE UM, RIGHT ELEVATION, WHICH IS THIS ONE HERE.
THIS IS A VIEW FROM THE, THE REAR.
THESE ARE DOUBLE WINDOWS WHICH COULD NOT ACCEPT THEM.
SO THE PLACES WHERE THEY COULD BE ACCEPTED ARE JUST THESE WINDOWS HERE ON THE SECOND STORY OF THE LEFT ELEVATION.
UM, THE FIFTH ITEM IS THAT ADDITIONAL INFORMATION ON THE COMMENT MATERIAL MUST BE PROVIDED TO ENSURE IT MEETS THE, THE PERMITTED MATERIAL.
IT JUST DIDN'T HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION FOR US TO REVIEW THAT.
UM, DID SHE ANSWER THAT? UM, THEY'VE BEEN CALLED OUT AS METAL WITH A BRICK BASE AND THEN SHE HAS NOTED IN THE, THE LETTER THAT THEY WILL BE STRUCTURAL STEEL COLUMNS TO SUPPORT THE PORCH.
SO IT'LL BE STRUCTURAL STEEL, UM, AND STEEL IS A PERMITTED MATERIAL.
IT JUST HASN'T BEEN INCORPORATED INTO THE APPLICATION AS WE'VE RECEIVED.
SO IT'S SOMETHING THAT IT, IT APPEARS THE ANSWER IS WILL COMPLY.
THE SIXTH ITEM IS ADDITIONAL INFORMATION ON THE RAILINGS.
UM, IT WAS CALLED OUT AS METAL, BUT IT DOESN'T SPECIFY THE RAILING MATERIALS ARE PERMITTED TO BE ROT OR CAST IRON IF THEY ARE GOING TO BE METAL.
THEY ARE PROPOSING THE USE OF A POWDER CODED ALUMINUM RAILING SO THAT IT'S SOMETHING THAT THEY HAVE REQUESTED A DEVIATION FROM AND THE HPC WOULD NEED TO, UM, CONSIDER THAT AS PART OF THEIR REQUEST.
BUT ISN'T SHE ANSWERING THAT IN HER NUMBER SIX? HERE THEY HAVE BEEN LISTED AS POWDER COATED ALUMINUM, WHICH IS NOT A MATERIAL THAT IS SPECIFICALLY PERMITTED BY OUR ORDINANCE.
OUR ORDINANCE ALLOWS FOR ROT OR CAST IRON AS AS RAILING IN BALLER MATERIAL FOR EVEN THOUGH SHE ADDRESSES HERE, IT'S STILL LIKE WHO IT IS SOMETHING THAT THEY ARE REQUESTING A DEVIATION FROM.
SO THAT'S, EXCUSE ME, THE SEVENTH ITEM IS THAT DOOR D ON THE DOOR TABLE IS PROPOSED AS FIBERGLASS.
IT WOULD NEED TO BE REVISED TO BE A PERMITTED MATERIAL THAT COULD BE METAL OR WOOD OR METAL CLAD.
UM, THEY HAVE NOTED THAT THEY, THEY WILL COMPLY WITH THAT AND MAKE IT A METAL DOOR.
THE NEXT ITEM IS THAT ROLLING DOORS ARE NOT A PERMITTED CONFIGURATION AND WOULD NEED TO BE REVISED TO A PERMITTED OPERATION.
UM, SO IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, THE PERMITTED DOOR MATERIALS ARE FRENCH AND CASEMENT.
UM, SO A ROLLING DOOR IS NOT ONE OF THOSE TYPES.
THEY ARE REQUESTING A DEVIATION FROM THAT STANDARD.
THEY DID PROVIDE HAVE WE APPROVED? THERE'S SOMETHING THAT WE'VE APPROVED SOME OF, I BELIEVE THE UM, PIZZA PLACE.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT PIZZA PLACE BUT I KNOW THE UM, WHAT IS NOW NECTAR'S KITCHEN HAS A GARAGE DOOR STYLE AND I KNOW 1223 MAY RIVER ROAD.
YES, I KNOW THE ADDRESS OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD.
UM, WHICH IS THE DOWNTOWN DELI BUILDING THAT HAS THE EVENT SPACE BEHIND IT HAS ALSO UTILIZED A ROLLING DOOR.
UM, THE ONE AT NECTARS IS ON THE SIDE ELEVATION AND THE ONE AT 1223 IS ON THE SIDE ELEVATION.
BEHIND THE SURFACE ELEVATIONS.
THEY ARE AVAILABLE IN FRONT OF A ELEVATION TOO, IF I RECALL.
AT NECTAR ONE AT NECTAR IN THERE.
ONE? YEAH, THERE MAYBE ONE ON THE FRONT ELEVATION.
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UM, BUT I KNOW THAT IF THERE IS ONE CURRENTLY IT IS IN PLACE AND IS A FIXED WINDOW NOT A ROLLING DOOR ANYMORE? BUT IT MAY HAVE BEEN AT ONE TIME CUZ I CAN'T REMEMBER.I ATTENDED PLENTY OF MEALS THERE, BUT I DON'T RECALL.
UM, SO THAT IS SOMETHING THAT IS BEING REQUESTED FOR REVIEW.
THE NINTH ONE THERE IS THAT FENCE TYPE ONE, WHICH IS THE PIERCED BRICK.
UM, IS UM, TALLER THAN IS PERMITTED.
I HAVE A QUESTION ON THAT CAUSE IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S THE CAP THAT'S MAKING IT GO OVER AND NOT THE FENCE ITSELF.
I WAS TRYING TO LOOK AT THE DRAWINGS AND IT LOOKS LIKE THE, THE DRAWING IS INDICATING THE TOP OF THE CAP RATHER THAN AT THE FENCE.
SO THE TOP OF THE CAP IS AT SEVEN FOOT NINE AND A HALF INCHES.
AND THE TOP OF THE WALL ITSELF IS AT SIX FOOT 10 INCHES.
UM, SO IT IS 10 AND A HALF INCHES TOO TALL AND WOULD NEED TO BE REDUCED TO MEET THE SIX FOOT REQUIREMENT.
THE CAP MAKES THE MAY EXTEND BEYOND THAT SIX FOOT REQUIREMENT.
THAT BOTTOM, IT'S ON THE MIDDLE THERE.
IT LOOKS LIKE THAT'S THE CAP, BUT IT'S NOT.
SO THAT'S MEASURED TO THE TOP OF THE WALL HERE.
AND THEN THIS SEVEN FOOT NINE AND A HALF INCHES IS MEASURED TO THE TOP OF THE CAP.
SO THAT NEEDS TO COME DOWN TO SIX IS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? YES.
AND WHERE IS THIS WALL GOING AROUND? THIS IS ON THE REAR OF THE STRUCTURE.
AND THAT'S WHAT'S FACING THE BACK.
YOU HAVE TO COME UP TO THE MIC THAT'S FACING THE BACK PARKING AREA.
IF YOU COULD, UH, STEP AMANDA, YOU'RE MARK PEER SCOTT ARCHITECTS.
I'M SORRY I DIDN'T WE INTERRUPT.
UM, CAN YOU INTRODUCE YOURSELF ONE MORE TIME AND JUST, SORRY, I'M AMANDA WITH PIERCE SCOTT ARCHITECTS.
UM, I WAS GONNA CLARIFY ON THE FENCE, OUR FENCE ON OUR ARCHITECTURAL DRAWINGS IS AT SIX ONE AND A HALF INCHES BECAUSE OF THE BRICK COING, WE DIDN'T WANNA HAVE TO CUT A BRICK JUST FOR AN INCH AND A HALF.
THE LANDSCAPE ARCHITECTS WE'RE SUPPOSED TO TAKE OUR DETAILS AND THEY DID NOT.
SO THAT THEIR DRAWINGS ARE INCORRECT AND THEY NEED TO BE CORRECTED TO MATCH OURS.
THAT'S THE DIFFERENCE WITH THE, SO WE'RE STILL LOOKING SAYING SIX AND SORRY, SIX AND A HALF.
SIX SIX FEET HALF, ONE AND A HALF INCHES.
SO IT WAS ONLY OVER ONE AND A HALF INCH OVER ONE AND A HALF INCHES BECAUSE OF BRICK CO COSING WE WERE GOING WITH E EVEN COSING.
YEAH, BUT THE LANDSCAPE PLAN DID NOT DENOTE THAT PROPERLY, SO I APOLOGIZE.
OKAY, SO THOSE TWO SERVICE AREAS, WHICH IS REQUESTING ON THE CURRENT SUBMITTAL 10 AND A HALF INCHES, BUT WITH INFORMATION PROVIDED HERE, ONE AND A HALF INCHES, THOSE ARE LOCATED RIGHT HERE AT THE BACK OF THE STRUCTURE.
HOWEVER IT'S INTERNAL TO THE DEVELOPMENT.
SO THIS IS THE CIRCULATION PATH FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT.
SO IT IS STILL GOING TO BE, WHILE IT IS THE REAR OF THE STRUCTURE, IT'LL STILL BE VISIBLE BY PEDESTRIANS.
SO, UM, IT IS SOMETHING TO NOTE THERE.
UM, AND THEN THE LAST ONE IS THAT ANY SIGNAGE THAT IS PROPOSED, WE'LL NEED TO GET SIGNED PERMIT.
THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE PUT ON ALL OF THESE.
IT IS STANDARD FOR ANYTHING COMMERCIAL.
WE JUST LIKE TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S STATED SO THAT IT'S NOT SUPPLIE LATER AND IT'S NOT PRIV.
SO IT'S YEAH, BUT JUST STATED SO IT'S AWARE.
UH, DO WE NEED TO HAVE THE APPLICANT COME FORWARD TO, UH, ANSWER MR. CHAIRMAN, DO WE OR RICHARDS? OH WE DO, THAT'S RIGHT.
I'M SORRY FOR A PUBLIC COMMENT FIRST OR DO WE DO IT AFTER THE APPLICANT SPOKE? I CAN'T REMEMBER.
WE, WE TYPICALLY DO PUBLIC COMMENT AFTER THE APPLICANT FIRST AND SPOKEN AND THEN WE PERMIT PUBLIC COMMENT AND THEN YOU GIVE THE APPLICANT STAFF AN OPPORTUNITY TO RESPOND TO THAT PUBLIC COMMENT AND THEN GO INTO, UH, THE DISCUSSION.
BY THE WAY, THIS IS RICHARDSON.
I'M EVERYONE, HE'S THE ATTORNEY FOR THE TOWN, SO THANK YOU.
I APPRECIATE THE, UH, THE PROMOTION, BUT NO, I, UH, I'M JUST, JUST HERE.
I'M NOT BROOK, IT KEEPS ME STRAIGHT, SO THANK YOU.
UM, FOR ITEMS ONE THROUGH THREE, OBVIOUSLY WE'LL COMPLY AND WE'RE GOING THROUGH THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN PROCESS RIGHT NOW IT'S A PROCESS AND WE CAN'T DO ONE THING WITHOUT THE OTHER.
SO, UM, NUMBER FOUR, ASKING FOR THE DEVIATION FOR THE SHUTTERS.
WE'RE TRYING TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE SHUTTER LOCATION.
SO THOSE PARTICULAR SHUTTERS WILL CLOSE OFF AN OPENING FOR THE, THE DOWNSTAIRS SPACE.
AND WE DIDN'T FEEL THE NEED, UM, BECAUSE OF THE USE AND TRYING TO DIFFERENTIATE THE TWO DIFFERENT USES, UM, THAT THE TOP WOULD NEED IT CUZ IT WOULD ONLY BE THREE WINDOWS,
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WHICH DIDN'T SEEM LIKE IT WOULD BALANCE WITH ANYTHING ELSE.SO WE WOULD ASK FOR A DEVIATION ON THE SHUTTERS, UM, POSSIBLY ONLY TWO WINDOWS.
IT WOULD BE TIGHT FOR THE THIRD.
SO YEAH, IS THAT RIGHT? I MEAN IT'S VERY CLUTTERED.
YES, I'M LOOKING AT IT AS IT WOULD, IT WOULD BE THOSE, BUT IT WOULD BE ONE THERE, ONE THERE IN WHAT COULD YOU DO? YEAH, IT TECHNICALLY COULD FIT, BUT I DON'T, LIKE YOU'RE SAYING IT WOULD LOOK CLUTTERED AND YOU KNOW, WE'D LIKE TO HAVE THE, YOU KNOW, THE MARKET'S ONE THING AND THEN THE WORKFORCE HOUSING IS, YOU KNOW, A DIFFERENT THING.
UM, NUMBER FIVE ABOUT THE COLUMNS WE TALKED ABOUT, THOSE ARE STRUCTURAL STEEL COLUMNS.
THAT'S THE ONLY WAY YOU'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO DO THOSE.
UM, THE RAILINGS FOR POWDER COAT ALUMINUM, THERE'S OTHER EXAMPLES IN OLD TOWN THAT YOU GUYS HAVE APPROVED BEFORE.
THERE'S A BUNCH OF DIFFERENT HANDRAILS ALL OVER THAT ARE NOT BROAD IRON.
UM, THERE'S EXAMPLES IN STOCK FARM.
SO IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT ANY OF THOSE BUILDINGS, SO KATIE, I'M NOT FAMILIAR, THERE HAVE BEEN A COUPLE EXAMPLES OF POWDER COATED ALUMINUM THAT HAVE BEEN PERMITTED.
THE, UM, CONTINGENCY THAT'S BEEN PUT ON IN THE PAST IS THAT THEY HAVE TRADITIONAL VIDEOS, SO THEY DO NOT HAVE THE OPEN BASES.
SO THEY'RE NOT JUST HOLLOW TUBES.
UM, AND THEY ARE SUBSTANTIAL IN WEIGHT SO THAT THEY'RE NOT, UM, THE KIND THAT YOU ESSENTIALLY CAN TAKE A QUARTER AND IF YOU HIT IT WITH A QUARTER, IT DS UM, SO THEY'VE BEEN THE SUBSTANTIAL ALUMINUM THAT HAVE NO PINCHED TOP CRIMPED TOPS AND NO OPEN BASES.
SO THEY ARE CAPPED AT THE BASE ONCE TO MAKE A MOTION.
SO WE ALREADY HAD THAT IN, WELL, NOT THAT DETAILED IN OUR DETAIL, SIX A 7 0 1, BUT EITHER WAY WE'LL COMPLY WITH WHATEVER FOR LONGEVITY MAINTENANCE, THOSE KINDS OF THINGS.
FOR, UM, THE POWDER COATED ALUMINUMS, THOSE ARE ANOTHER UIO EDIT THING THAT WE NEED CONFIRM LATER.
UM, THE DOOR WE SET FOR NUMBER SEVEN, WE'LL CHANGE THAT TO METAL ONLY.
UM, THOSE WERE ONLY GOING TO BE SHUT WHEN THE PLACE IS CLOSED, UM, FOR SECURITY REASONS AT NIGHTTIME.
BUT OTHER THAN THAT IT'S AN OPEN AIR MARKET, LIKE IN CHARLESTON, HOW THEY HAVE THEIR MARKET CHARLESTON, THEY HAVE, UM, LIKE PLASTIC OR UM, CANVAS TYPE MATERIALS INSTEAD.
SO WE WANTED SOMETHING A LITTLE BIT MORE SUBSTANTIAL THAN CANVAS AND PLASTIC, UM, SOMETHING OPAQUE.
SO WE WERE JUST ASKING FOR A DEVIATION AS THERE ARE OTHER ROLLING DOORS OBVIOUSLY, AND, BUT WE DO HAVE OTHER ITEMS, OTHER ROLLING DOORS WITHIN OLD TOWN ALREADY.
UM, WE, I ALREADY TRIED TO CLARIFY THE SERVICE YARD AND THEN NUMBER 10 WAS A SIGN OR YEAH, SIGNAGE.
WE'LL COMPLY WITH ALL THAT SIGN NOW.
WE'RE LOOKING FOR ANY ADDITIONAL INFORMATION.
UM, WE'RE HOPING YOU KNOW, THAT THIS WILL BENEFIT TO THE COMMUNITY AND BRINGING IN THE GUA CULTURE, UM, BECAUSE THIS IS A GU MARKET, UM, SO THAT THEY CAN BRING THEIR WEARS AND GOODS AND SELL TO THE COMMUNITY AND, UM, BRING THE HISTORY BACK.
UM, AND THEN ABOVE IT WILL BE WORKFORCE HOUSING.
SO FOR, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'RE LACKING THAT WE GREATLY NEED.
AND SO THE OWNER, UM, WOULD LIKE TO INCORPORATE THAT.
AND THAT LOOKS LIKE WE HAVE SOME PUBLIC COMMENT.
DO WE HAVE A LIST OR DO WE HAVE, HOW MANY DO WE HAVE AND HOW DO WE FOR THIS ITEM? JUST ONE.
SO AGAIN, STATE YOUR NAME, WHOEVER THAT IS.
STATE YOUR NAME, ADDRESS, AND YOU'RE LIMITED TO THREE MINUTES AND STEP FORWARD PLEASE.
MY NAME IS SHARON BROWN, I'M AT 1 63 BUCK ISLAND ROAD AND JUST WANTED TO COME AND, UH, SPEAK ABOUT THIS AWESOME OPPORTUNITY THAT WE HAVE HERE WITH THIS BUILDING HERE THAT'S CALLED, UM, WHAT IS IT? DE DEMA IT AND MA DAISY'S PORCH DEVELOPMENT.
UH, WE REALLY DON'T HAVE MUCH CULTURE LEFT HERE IN BLUFFTON.
AND WHERE THIS IS POSITIONED, THIS WOULD BE A GREAT OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO HAVE THIS FOR OUR COMMUNITY TO PRESERVE THE AFRICAN AMERICAN CULTURE.
AND I JUST WANNA READ SOMETHING MAYOR SOKA PUT IN THE ISLAND PACKET AND IT SAYS THAT TOWN LEADERS AND STAFF MEMBERS WANT TO KNOW MORE ABOUT THE LAYERED HISTORY OF BLUFF AFRICAN AMERICAN COMMUNITY.
WHAT BETTER WAY TO HAVE THAT THAN TO HAVE THE STRUCTURE RIGHT THERE IN THE HEART OF BLUFFTON WHERE WE HAVE SO MANY OTHER BUILDINGS THAT'S
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WATERING DOWN BLACK PEOPLE IN OUR COMMUNITY.SHE SAYS, WE BELIEVE THAT THE GULLAH GEECHEE CULTURE AND THE HISTORIC RESOURCES ARE UNDERREPRESENTED.
WHAT AN OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE THEM REPRESENTED.
AM I RIGHT? SO I WOULD LOVE FOR YOU GUYS TO CONSIDER, UM, APPROVING THIS REGARDLESS OF WHATEVER THEY HAVE TO DO TO MAKE IT CONFORM WITHIN THE TOWN.
BUT WHAT BETTER WAY TO SHOW THAT THE TOWN OF BLUFF IS SUPPORTING AFRICAN AMERICANS WHO ARE ONCE HERE SATURATED IN THE HEART OF BLUFFTON AND THIS COMMUNITY.
WE NEED TO PRESERVE OUR CULTURE, NOT ONLY FOR PEOPLE TO KNOW, BUT FOR OUR FUTURE GENERATIONS.
UH, WITH THANKS THEN, THEN NO ADDITIONAL COMMENTS.
I GUESS I'M LOOKING FOR DISCUSSIONS HERE.
OR CAN YOU BRING UP THE, UH, LANDSCAPE PLAN? I KNOW THIS ISN'T OUR CALL, BUT THAT'S A LOT.
I JUST WISH THERE WEREN'T AS MANY TRADES BEING TAKEN DOWN.
IT'S GONNA LOOK SCALPED AND IT SEEMS LIKE FOR A PROJECT THAT LOOKS AMAZING BY THE WAY, BUT THAT IT'S CELEBRATING THE PAST.
THAT'S A LOT OF CLEAR CUTTING, SO, OKAY.
THIS SLIDE DOES HAVE MORE REMOVED THAN SOME OF THE OTHER ONES.
UM, AND THIS, AGAIN, THIS IS, UM, AN APPLICATION THAT IS A STANDALONE APPLICATION OF COURSE.
HOWEVER, THIS ONE HAS, UH, MOSTLY THIS IS A WATER OAK.
THEY ARE PRESERVING THIS LAUREL RIGHT HERE THAT IS 21 INCHES, UM, NINE INCH CHERRY, NINE INCH GUM, 10 INCH LAUREL, UH, A 25 INCH PINE, I BELIEVE.
I THINK IT'S MORE VISIBLE ON YOUR, UM, THAT'S LIKE 15 AND JUST THAT AREA.
WHICH I THINK IS REALLY UNFORTUNATE, BUT THAT'S JUST MY, BUT ALL OF THESE HAVE BEEN LOOKED AT IN STATED THAT THEY CAN, THAT THEY DON'T CONTRIBUTE TO THE, THE SITE AND CAN BE REMOVED.
UM, THEY ARE BEING, THE LANDSCAPE PLAN HAS BEEN REVIEWED MORE DETAILED WITH THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN BECAUSE THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN IS STILL BEING REVIEWED.
AND SO IT'S SOMETHING THAT, UM, THEY ARE TAKING THAT INTO CONSIDERATION AND ENSURING THAT THE MITIGATION REQUIREMENTS ARE BEING MET.
SO THEY NEED TO ENSURE THE, UM, THE STREET TREES WILL BE THERE.
THE FOUNDATION PLANTINGS, WHICH YOU CAN SEE ARE PROPOSED HERE.
IF THERE IS COMMENT ON THE LANDSCAPE PLAN, YOU ALL DO HAVE THE ABILITY TO COMMENT ON THAT AND PROVIDE FEEDBACK ON IT.
UM, BUT IT IS BEING REVIEWED CLOSELY BY THE DEVELOPMENT REVIEW COMMITTEE, NOT TO DETER YOU FROM COMMENTING ON IT, IF THAT MAKES SENSE.
BUT, BUT I, IT IS HAVING A SECOND LOOK AT IT BECAUSE THEY ARE STILL MAKING SOME TWEAKS TO THE SITE PLAN.
AND SO WE DIDN'T WANNA HAVE TO DO THAT WORK, UM, IN, IN DUPLICATE FOR SOMETHING THAT MAY BE MODIFIED AND SIT THERE FOR A MINUTE.
UM, THE 18 INCH WATER OAK AND 13 INCH WATER OAK ARE GOING TO REMAIN THE ONES ON THE TOP LEFT CORNER.
JUST BY THE WAY WE'VE UPDATED THE 27.
IF THERE, THERE'S AN X, BUT IT DOESN'T MEAN IT'S GOING AWAY.
BUT WHAT I'M SAYING IS SINCE THIS SUBMITTAL MONTH AGO WORK HAS BEEN DONE, DEVELOPMENT PLAN STUFF HAS BEEN DONE.
THOSE TREES ARE NOW REMAINING.
JUST THE, JUST TIME THAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU'RE WAITING FOR 30 DAYS.
SO THEREFORE IT LOOKS LIKE REALLY THE ELIMINATION OF THERE ARE GOING TO BE SOME TREES REMOVED, BUT THE, LET'S CALL 'EM THE, WELL THEY'RE GONNA GRANDIOSE TREES ARE GOING, THEY'RE NOT THE GRANDIOSE TREES.
THE BEAUTIFUL, AND I GET IT, BUT THERE ARE GONNA BE 13 OR 14 THAT ARE ALSO GONNA BE REMOVED.
AND I THINK THAT IS UNFORTUNATE.
AND IF I MAY, JUST FOR THE FOLKS THAT ARE YOU EITHER WATCHING ON YOUTUBE OR, UH, NOT ON THE COUNTY CHANNEL FOLKS INTERVIEWING THE AUDIENCE? UH, IT IS KIND OF BEEN ALLUDED TO, BUT THIS, AND MOST OF THESE APPLICATIONS FOR NEW DEVELOPMENT AND OLD TOWN WILL GO THROUGH KIND OF A DUAL PROCESS FOR THE HPC, WHERE Y'ALL REVIEW THE ARCHITECTURE AND UH, THE HISTORIC DISTRICT STANDARDS AND ALSO GO THROUGH PLANNING COMMISSION WHO REVIEWS THE SITE PLAN AND THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
AND WE'LL REVIEW THINGS LIKE THE LANDSCAPING.
SO, UM, YOUR AS, AS MS. PETERSON MENTIONED, YOUR INPUT IS EXTREMELY VALUABLE AND IT WILL BE CONSIDERED AND BY STAFF WHO REVIEWS EVERYTHING.
BUT ULTIMATELY IT'S A, YOUR, YOUR CRITERIA TO REVIEW RIGHT NOW IS THE ARCHITECTURE.
BUT I, AGAIN, JUST FOR THE FOLKS IN THE AUDIENCE, THAT'S NOT REALLY FOR ALL.
I WOULD JUST LIKE TO, UH, REVISIT
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A FEW THINGS, UM, JUST TO GET A BETTER LOOK AT IT.CAN WE TALK AGAIN ABOUT THE, UM, AND I THINK I AGREE WITH, UM, THE SHUTTER CONVERSATION AGAIN.
COULD WE POSSIBLY GO BACK TO THAT ELEVATION? SO REALLY, I MEAN JUST TO UM, KIND OF REITERATE SOME OF THE, I MEAN, IT JUST WOULD POSSIBLY BE THOSE THREE SQUARE WINDOWS, BUT I MEAN I RIGHT CAN, I MEAN, I DO THINK THIS WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO DO IT ON THIS BECAUSE THERE'S DOUBLE WINDOWS AND THIS WOULD BE TOO CLOSE TO THE ROOF, SO WE WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO DO ANYTHING THERE.
AND THEN THIS ONE WOULD ONLY BE THIS WINDOW.
UM, BUT I DON'T FEEL THE NEED BECAUSE ARE THOSE REALLY CONSIDERED, UM, JUST CURIOSITY, ARE THOSE REALLY CONSIDERED SHUTTERS WHEN THEY'RE REALLY COVERING DOORS? I GUESS TECHNICALLY.
THAT'S, I'M JUST WONDERING IF THEY'RE, THEY'RE OPENING, THEY'RE NOT EVEN DOORS, THEY'RE OPENING DOORS.
BUT THEY HAVE, THEY HAVE TO BE ABLE TO ELEMENT TO IT.
SO I'M JUST ASKING, UH, ARE THEY ACTUALLY REALLY CONSIDERED SHUTTERS OR ARE THEY CONSIDERED THEY ARE.
YEAH, I'VE GOT, UH, I THINK IT'S, UH, A FAIR THING TO DEVIATE FROM WITH IT BEING SO I THINK IT WOULD LOOK WEIRD.
UM, JERS ON THE TOP, I JUST, AND THEN THE, SO THE ROLLING DOORS, THEY'RE JUST GONNA BE ON THESE SIX END OR JUST THE ENDS? JUST THOSE TO, CAUSE THAT'S A HOLE.
THERE'S NOT A DOOR, IT'S JUST AN OPEN AIRMARK, JUST LIKE CHARLESTON, YOU KNOW THE MARKET THERE.
SO SOMETHING JUST TO BE ABLE TO CLOSE IT OFF WHEN IT'S CLOSED TO SECURE IT NOT, UM, EVERY DAY WOULD BE OPEN ALL THE TIME LIKE THAT.
BUT YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S A HURRICANE COMING, WE WANNA BE ABLE TO CLOSE IT UP.
SO THE OTHER ONES ARE LIKE FUNCTIONING SHUTTER, LIKE, SO THAT'S HOW THEY WOULD CLOSE THE SIX ON THE OTHER SIDE, THOSE ARE FUNCTIONING SHUTTERS.
SO THE DOORS ARE LITERALLY JUST THERE FOR SECURITY PURPOSE.
AND THAT'S AFTER HOURS, THAT'S PER RIGHT MR. CHAIRMAN AND COMMISSIONERS, IT'S IN THAT LETTER.
IT'S THIS A DARK PAGE THAT THEY PROVIDED A CUT SHEET OF THAT DOOR THAT THEY'RE PROPOSING THERE.
ANY OTHER DISCUSSIONS? I GUESS WITH THAT, I'M LOOKING FOR SOMEONE ON THE COMMISSION TO MAKE A MOTION, UH, CONSIDERING FOR DISCUSSIONS THAT WE HAD, UM, THIS AS A REMINDER, THOSE BLUE ONES, WHILE THEY'VE SAID THEY WILL COMPLY, PLEASE DO INCLUDE THEM IN YOUR CONDITION OR YOUR, UM, MOTION IF YOU FIND THEM RELEVANT SO THAT THEY CAN BE INCLUDED FOR STAFF REVIEW.
NOTHING ELSE THERE? ANYTHING THAT ONE MORE TO, COULD YOU STATE THAT ONE MORE TIME? I'M SORRY.
IF, IF YOU ARE CONSIDERING, UM, APPROVAL OR APPROVAL WITH CONDITIONS AND FIND THESE CONDITIONS TO BE VALID, THEN PLEASE ENSURE THAT THEY ARE INCLUDED IN THE MOTION EVEN THOUGH THEY HAVE STATED THAT THEY WILL COMPLY WITH THEM.
WE HAVE NOT YET FORMALLY RECEIVED MATERIALS THAT SUPPORT THAT WE WILL, AND I HAVE NO DOUBT OF THAT, BUT JUST SO THAT IT IS SOMETHING THAT, UM, STAFF, WE GET THE RIGHT PAPERWORK IN ORDER AND THERE'S NO, WELL, YOU GET IT.
STAFF COULD HAVE THE APPROVAL SO IT DOESN'T HAVE TO COME BACK TO US AND SUCH IF YOU FIND THAT TO BE ACCEPTABLE.
ARE THERE ANY THAT WE NEED TO ADDRESS THAT OUR IN BLUE? WAS THERE ONE? I THINK MAYBE THE ONE THING WE DIDN'T REALLY TALK ABOUT WERE THE BRICK, UH, OR THE SIX FOOT HEIGHT.
SIX FOOT 1 6, 1 AND A HALF I THINK IN MY LETTER.
I MEAN, I, I PERSONALLY, UM, I MEAN I DON'T THINK IT'S WORTH, I MEAN, I'LL SAY THIS ABOUT FENCES IS GENERALLY EVEN WHEN YOU'RE BUILDING A FENCE, EVEN IF YOU'RE HOLDING A FENCE TO SIX FEET OR FOUR FEET, THERE ARE, THERE'S ALWAYS ELEVATION CHANGES.
AND ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT THINGS IS TO, UH, MAINTAIN A LEVEL FENCE.
ESPECIALLY WITH A BRICK FENCE.
SO EVEN IF YOU WERE TO SET, AND I, YOU KNOW, TO DO A DETAIL AT SIX FEET, THERE'S GONNA BE A LITTLE BIT OF, UM, DEVIATION.
THE, THE MAIN THING IS I THINK, I MEAN THAT MEETS THE INTENT OF THE, UM, OF A SIX FOOT FENCE.
AND I, I MEAN I PERSONALLY THINK IT WOULD BE A LOT TO HAVE THE MASON CUT EACH, UM, BRICK.
UM, SO I, I MEAN I THINK THAT'S APPROPRIATE.
IT, IT WILL BE, YOU KNOW, THOSE I GUESS ROUGHLY 10 INCHES, IT'LL BE A BIG DIFFERENCE FROM WHAT
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WE SAW IN THE PACKET.SO I THINK THAT'S APPROPRIATE PERSONALLY.
UM, JUST IF, IF YOU WERE TO INCLUDE THAT RATHER THAN JUST, UM, ALLOWING IT BLINDLY, IF YOU WERE TO SAY, UM, TO ALLOW FOR THE MATERIAL, UM, TO BE USED TRADITIONALLY OR SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES FOR THE PIERCED BRICK, THE OTHER FENCE TYPE IS THE FENCE TYPE ONE, WHICH IS THE WOOD FENCE AND IT IS AT 40, SO PRESS SETTING AND THEREFORE MOVING 48 INCHES, UM, WHEN IT IS ALLOWED A MAXIMUM OF.
BUT IS THAT ONE IN THIS 1 42? YES.
SORRY, I DON'T, IT IS ALONG THE FRONT.
IT CONTINUES DOWN FROM THE AM I CRAZY? I DON'T REMEMBER.
NO, I THINK YOU'RE, I THINK YOU'RE RIGHT, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF THAT COMMENT WAS ON PUT IN THERE.
I DON'T THINK THAT THAT COMMENT WAS ON.
IT'S, IT'S WHATEVER NEEDS TO BE.
IT'S A MINOR HEIGHT ADJUSTMENT, I THINK FROM 48 TO 42, BUT WE'RE NOT ADJUSTING.
WE'RE JUST GOING WHAT IS THAT'S FINE.
SO I'M LOOKING FOR THIS BOARD TO MID MOTION PLEASE.
UM, I WOULD, I'LL GIVE IT A GO.
I WOULD LIKE, UH, TO MAKE A MOTION, UM, TO APPROVE THE, UH, APPLICATION WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS, UM, TO, UH, GUESS FOLLOWING BY, BY STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS ONE THROUGH THREE.
UM, FOR NUMBER FOUR, UM, BOARD FINDS THAT THE SHUTTERS, IT'S APPROPRIATE TO NOT, UM, HAVE SHUTTERS ON THE SECOND FLOOR AS, UM, IT'S A DIFFERENT USE.
UM, AND THOSE SHUTTERS ARE, UM, FUNCTIONING AND COVERING THE DOORS.
UM, AND FOR, UM, FIVE, UH, THAT, UH, THE, LET'S SEE, SORRY, SORRY, UH, THAT POWDER CODED ALUMINUM IS AN APPROPRIATE MATERIAL FOR THE COLUMN, UM, JUST TO CALL, UH, CALL OUT AND UPDATE THE DETAIL.
AS FOR THE HANDWRITTEN COLUMN STRUCTURE FOR THE COLUMN FOR NU FOR THE COLUMN AND UM, ADDITIONALLY FOR THE HANDRAIL AS WELL, THAT WAS ALSO, UM, YEAH, UM, YEAH FOR THE, FOR THE COLUMN AND FOR THE, UM, HANDRAIL, UH, SO FIVE AND SIX THAT, UH, POWDER CODED STEEL IS APPROPRIATE.
AND UM, NUMBER SEVEN, THAT THE APPLICANT REVISED THE DOOR, UM, TO BE METAL AS UM, THEY'VE SUBMITTED.
UH, AND NUMBER EIGHT, THAT, UH, ROLL ROLLING DOORS ARE APPROPRIATE FOR THIS, UH, SEMI OUTDOOR LOCATION FOR SECURITY ON THE SIDES.
AND, UM, FOR NINE THAT THE FENCE TYPE, UH, ONE THE PIERCE BRICK FENCE IS ALLOWED TO SLIGHTLY DEVIATE FROM THE MAXIMUM PERMITTED HEIGHTS, UM, IN ORDER TO UTILIZE TRADITIONAL, UM, BRICK MATERIALS IN AN ECONOMICAL WAY.
AND, UM, 10 PER STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS FOR SIGNAGE.
AND I COULD HAVE LA BRUCE, UH, IF YOU DON'T MIND, MR. CHAIRMAN, JUST SO I CAN KIND OF RECITE THAT SO EVERYBODY'S ON THE SAME PAGE CUZ THERE WAS A LITTLE BIT OF BACK AND FORTH THERE.
AND, AND IT WAS A, A LARGE MOTION.
SO, UH, IT, THIS IS A MOTION TO APPROVE WITH CONDITIONS, UM, WITH THE CONDITIONS LISTED IN THE STAFF REPORT AS CONDITIONS ONE THROUGH THREE, UH, INCORPORATED IN THAT MOTION.
UH, THERE'S A MOTION THAT THE SHUTTER DEVIATION BE ACCEPTABLE AND IS APPROPRIATE DUE TO THE DIFFERING USES BETWEEN THE FIRST FLOOR AND THE SECOND FLOOR.
UH, WITH CONDITION FIVE, THAT THE METAL COLUMN WITH BRICK BASE PAINTED STRUCTURAL STEEL, UH, WOULD BE A, WOULD BE AN APPROPRIATE DEVIATION FROM THE UDO'S REQUIREMENTS.
AS TO CONDITION NUMBER SIX, POWDER CODED ALUMINUM RAILINGS ARE A ACCEPTABLE DEVIATION PROVIDED THAT THEY MEET THE, UH, THEY'RE A SUBSTANTIAL WEIGHT AND NO OPEN FACES, I BELIEVE WAS THE, WAS THE REQUIREMENT.
AND THEN WITH SEVEN, THE CONDITION NUMBER SEVEN, UH, IS PER
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FREE DEVIATION TO ALLOW THE, OR EXCUSE ME, THE DOOR TO BE METAL.THAT IS A CONDITION THAT WAS, UH, ACCEPTED BY THE APPLICANT.
UM, CONDITION NUMBER EIGHT, ROLLING DOORS ACCEPTABLE DUE TO, UH, SECURITY CONCERNS AND CONDITION NUMBER NINE, THAT THE, THE BRICK FENCE DEVIATION BE ACCEPTABLE TO, UH, FOR UTILIZING TRADITIONAL BUILDING TECHNIQUES AND INCORPORATION OF CONDITION NUMBER 10 AS LISTED THE STACK REPORT YOU'VE BEEN.
SO THEREFORE NOT LOOKING FOR A SECOND.
SECOND, I HAVE A SECOND AND ANY FURTHER DISCUSSIONS.
I'M LOOKING FOR A VOTE WHILE IN FAVOR.
ANY OPPOSED? UH, TWO AS WITH CONDITIONS IS STATED BY RICHARDSON AND I WILL FOLLOW UP WITH THAT TOMORROW.
[IX.3. Certificate of Appropriateness: A request by Pearce Scott Architects, on behalf of the Owner, Billy Watterson, for approval of a Certificate of Appropriateness - HD to allow the construction of a new 2,936 SF 2-story restaurant building and a 1,200 SF restaurant Carriage House structure and 120 SF commercial garden structure which will be in the Ma Daisy's Porch Development Plan, on the parcel currently addressed as 1255 May River Road, in the Old Town Bluffton Historic District and zoned Neighborhood General-HD. (COFA-06-22-016823) (Staff - Katie Peterson)]
THIRD ITEM AND WE AGAIN PRESENTING AND AMANDA IS THE APPLICANT.ONCE AGAIN GUYS, IT'S ME AGAIN GUYS.
UM, THE NEXT APPLICATION WE HAVE BEFORE US, EXCUSE ME, IS ANOTHER ONE FOR 1255 MA RIVER ROAD.
THIS IS CHEF B EATS AND BAKERY.
THIS IS A TWO STORY, A NEW TWO STORY STRUCTURE, A RESTAURANT BUILDING OF 2,936 SQUARE FEET AND A 1200 SQUARE FOOT RESTAURANT CARRIAGE HOUSE.
UM, IT ALSO HAS A 120 SQUARE FOOT COMMERCIAL GARDEN STRUCTURE, WHICH WILL BE WITHIN THE MOD'S PORT DEVELOPMENT.
IT IS ON THE PARCEL'S, CURRENTLY 12 TWO AVENUE ROAD IN THE OLD TOWN BLUFF HISTORIC DISTRICT.
IT IS OWNED NEIGHBORHOOD GENERAL H D THIS IS THE PARCEL THAT WE ARE DISCUSSING NOW.
SO THIS IS THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE HERE WITH THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE BEHIND IT.
THAT GARDEN STRUCTURE THAT WE MENTIONED IS LOCATED BETWEEN THE TWO.
SO IT IS RIGHT HERE WHERE MY MOUSE IS KIND OF WIGGLING, IF YOU CAN SEE THAT.
UM, AGAIN, I HIGHLIGHTED THE PARCEL FOR YOU.
SO YOU CAN SEE IF THIS DOES INCLUDE ALL OF PARKING SINCE THIS IS A RESTAURANT USE.
HERE ARE THE FIRST FLOOR PLANS.
SO YOU CAN SEE THAT THIS IS THE SIDE THAT FACES MAY RIVER ROAD TOWARDS THE FRONT HERE.
UM, IT HAS A WRAPAROUND PORCH THAT TUCKS AROUND THE FRONT AND LEFT SIDE.
THERE IS A REAR PORCH AS WELL.
UM, AND THEN THIS HALF OF IT HERE HAS ADDITIONAL SEATING AS WELL AS AN OFFICE AND STORAGE SPACE.
THIS IS THE ROOF PLAN AND THEN THE FRONT ELEVATION.
SO THIS GOES FRONT MAY RIVER ROAD.
UM, AS YOU CAN SEE, THERE ARE STEPS THAT LEAD UP AS WELL AS STEPS ON THE SIDE.
THERE IS A RAMP FOR ACCESSIBILITY THAT TUCKS UP ALONG THE FRONT ELEVATION HERE IT IS VERY LOW PROFILE, UM, BUT DOES ALLOW FOR ACCESS TO THAT.
SO IF YOU'RE STANDING IN THE PARKING AREA, OR ACTUALLY IF YOU'RE STANDING NEAR THAT, UM, GARDEN STRUCTURE, THIS IS THE SIDE THAT YOU WILL SEE.
SO THIS IS THE SIDE PORCH AS WELL AS THAT REAR PORCH.
AND THERE ARE STAIRS ON THE SIDE.
AND THEN THIS IS THE LEFT ELEVATION.
SO IF YOU'RE STANDING IN THE MIDDLE OF THE DEVELOPMENT OR TOWARDS THE STRUCTURE, WE REVIEWED JUST A MOMENT AGO, THIS IS THE SIDE THAT YOU WERE GOING TO SEE.
IT HAS THE FULL LENGTH PORCH HERE AS WELL AS THE WRAP FOR THE FRONT.
IT ALSO HAS A SMALL DORMER AT THE TOP ON THE SECOND STORY HERE.
AND THEN THE RIGHT ELEVATION, WHICH THIS SPACE IS TOWARDS THE WATERSHED BUILDING.
UM, THE BUFFERING BETWEEN IT AND THE DRAINAGE DITCH AS WELL.
BUT THE WATERSHED BUILDING, UM, THIS HAS THE SERVICE YARD FOR ALL OF THOSE MECHANICAL NEEDS THAT ARE GOING TO BE INCORPORATED WITHIN THIS.
THE CARRIAGE HOUSE, WHICH IS A SMALLER STRUCTURE.
AND THE SECOND STORY, UM, IT DOES HAVE TWO DORMERS ON EITHER SIDE.
I INCLUDED THE ROOF FRONT HERE AS WELL.
AND YOU CAN SEE THE ROOF PLAN FOR THAT CARRIAGE HOUSE.
I'M SORRY, GARDEN STRUCTURE THAT IS LOCATED BETWEEN THE TWO STRUCTURES ON THE PAD RIGHT HERE.
I KNOW THAT IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS, PLEASE SLOW ME DOWN.
SO, UM, THESE ARE THE CARRIAGE HOUSE ELEVATIONS.
SO THIS IS THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURES, FRONT ELEVATION.
THIS IS WHAT FA UM, NOT RIGHT, THIS IS THE SIDE ELEVATION, UM, BACKWARDS.
SO THE PORCH SIDE OF THE STRUCTURE FACES INTERNAL TO THE DEVELOPMENT.
I'M GONNA SCROLL UP TO OUR SITE PLAN HERE JUST FOR A SECOND.
SO THE PORCH IS ON THE LEFT SIDE HERE.
THIS IS THE, THE FRONT OF THE LOT.
BUT THERE, THE FRONT OF THE STRUCTURE KIND OF FACES INTERNAL TO THE DEVELOPMENT.
UM, IS THAT BEING THE BAKERY, CORRECT? I'M SORRY? THAT'S BEING THE BAKERY, YES.
SO THIS SIDE HERE, WHICH IS THE, THE, THE FRONT OF THE STRUCTURE FACES TOWARDS THE BUILDING THAT
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WAS ASSO THIS HERE FACES THE
THIS WILL FACE THE BUILDING THAT IS, UM, THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE FOR THIS SITE.
THE TOP LEFT CORNER HERE FACES TOWARDS THE PARKING AREA OF THE STRUCTURE.
AND THEN THIS, UM, WHAT IS LABELED ON THE BOTTOM LEFT CORNER'S REAR IS THE REAR OF THIS BUILDING, BUT IS THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE STRUCTURE WHICH FACES TOWARDS THE WATERSHED BUILDING.
SO THIS FACES TOWARDS THE SERVICE, UM, ENTRANCE FOR THE, THE SITE AND THE WATERSHED BUILDING.
SO RIGHT HAND SIDE OF THE SITE.
I CAN DO THAT AGAIN WITH MORE CONFIDENCE THIS TIME I PROMISE.
BUT IT MAY BE ABLE TO HELP WITH THESE PERSPECTIVES THAT WERE PROVIDED.
AGAIN, THANK YOU FOR PROVIDING THIS.
UM, SO THIS IS THE, THE LEFT SIDE OF THAT SITE.
AS YOU CAN SEE, THAT'S THAT PORCH THAT I WAS DISCUSSING ON THE CARRIAGE HOUSE.
THIS IS THE WRAP PORCH THAT GOES TO THE FRONT.
UM, AND THEN YOU CAN SEE THE SMALL ACCESSORY STRUCTURE, UM, GARDEN STRUCTURE HERE, CARRIAGE HOUSE AND THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE STRUCTURE, WHICH FACES THE WATERSHED BUILDING.
AND THEN THIS IS FROM THE REAR OF THE SITE.
SO IF YOU WERE IN THE PARKING AREA, UM, OR DROPPING SOMETHING IN THE DUMPSTER, THAT'S WHAT YOU WOULD BE WALKING UP TOWARDS IS THE REAR OF THE STRUCTURE THERE.
THERE IS YOUR ACCESSORY STRUCTURE WITH THE BUILDING.
YOU'RE CURRENTLY THE TWO BUILDINGS WE ARE CURRENTLY REVIEWING AND THE GARDEN STRUCTURE, MORE PERSPECTIVES FOR YOU.
AGAIN, YOU CAN STILL SEE
UM, AND THEN THIS IS THE DEER TONGUE WAREHOUSE HERE.
THIS IS THE FRONT PERSPECTIVE.
I'M SLOWLY CLICKING THROUGH 'EM.
SO THIS IS THE SECTIONS FOR THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE.
AND THEN THESE ARE THE SECTIONS FOR THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE.
HERE ARE THE DETAILS, AGAIN, FLIPPING THROUGH THOSE QUICKLY FOR YOU.
BUT WE CAN GO BACK IF YOU NEED ANY OF THEM MORE CLOSELY.
HERE ARE THE DOORS AS WELL AS THE WINDOWS AND THE LANDSCAPE PLAN FOR THIS SITE, BECAUSE THIS IS A LONG SITE, IT IS SPLIT IN HALF.
SO THIS IS THE SECTION THAT HAS THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE.
YOU CAN SEE THE TINY LITTLE GARDEN STRUCTURE HERE IN HALF OF THE BAKERY, WHICH YOU CAN SEE BETTER ON THIS PAGE HERE, WHICH INCLUDES ALL OF THE TREES FOR THE PARKING AREA AND THE LANDSCAPING THAT GOES ALONG WITH THAT.
UM, THIS IS MARY, THE AREA WHERE I AND EVERYONE ELSE, BUT MARY SPECIFICALLY WHERE THOSE TREES, I WAS SAYING THERE ARE A BUNCH THAT ARE MAINTAINED ON THE SITE, BUT THAT ONE LOT HAS THE MOST PROBABLY OF THE TREES THAT ARE BEING REMOVED.
UM, IS THE PORTION THAT IS INCORPORATED WITH
SO UMAC IS ON THE PROPERTY LINE, RIGHT? I'M SORRY.
I MEAN THOSE ARE ALL ON THE PROPERTY LINE.
SO THIS RIGHT HERE IS THE PROPERTY LINE.
THESE ARE THE SAME TREES THAT YOU SAW REMOVED ON THE OTHER SITE PLAN, RIGHT? SO THESE ARE TREES THAT ARE ADDITIONAL, THESE ARE JUST ADDITIONAL, THE ONES UP HERE ARE ADDITIONAL REMOVALS.
THESE ARE THE ONES THAT WERE ALREADY, LIKE THESE ARE ON THE OTHER SITE PLAN EXCUSE HERE ARE MORE LANDSCAPE DETAILS, THE FENCE DETAIL, PIERCE BRICK FENCE TYPE A.
AND THEN THIS IS THE, UM, UH, DUMPSTER ENCLOSURE.
SAME DETAIL ON THAT FENCE IS THE OTHER FENCE WE JUST PRINTED? YES.
THE LANDSCAPE PLAN IS ONE PACKAGE AND I SPLIT IT OUT BETWEEN EACH OF THE APPLICATIONS DO IT.
SO THE PROBLEM OR THE, THE CHALLENGE IS THE SAME ON ALL THREE FOR THE DETAIL.
THIS ONE DOES NOT HAVE ANY PIERCE BRICK WALL.
THIS ONE DOES HAVE FENCE TYPE A.
AND THIS ONE IS THE SITE THAT HAS THE DUMPSTER ENCLOSURE.
SO THE DUMPSTER ENCLOSURE IS LISTED HERE TOO.
THIS MAY BE A SURPRISE TO YOU, BUT THERE ARE EIGHT REVIEW CRITERIA THAT ARE FOUND IN SECTION 3 18 3 OF OUR UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT ORDINANCE.
AND AS THE HPC ARE AUTHORIZED TO APPROVE, THE APPLICATION IS SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT, APPROVE THE APPLICATION WITH CONDITIONS OR DENY THE APPLICATION IS SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT.
UM, SO THE, THE STAFF HAS FOUND THE CONDITIONS THAT WILL MAKE THIS IN COMPLIANCE WITH THOSE CONDITIONS, UM, AS FOLLOWS.
AGAIN, THIS IS ITEM NUMBER 30 ON THERE.
AND SO I'VE LABELED IT IN THE TOP CORNER OF THE SAME LETTER THAT YOU RECEIVED, BUT IT'S GOT DIFFERENT INFORMATION ON IT THIS TIME.
SO, UM, I'VE AGAIN PUT THOSE IN BLUE.
THE FIRST ONE IS THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN, SAME AS THE LAST ONE.
SO IS THE SUBDIVISION, WHICH IS ITEM TWO.
THE THIRD ONE IS THAT THE STRUCTURES NEED TO BE REMOVED BEFORE YOU CAN PROPOSE ANYTHING ELSE ON THE SITE.
SO THOSE THREE ARE THE EXACT SAME AS THE ONES BEFORE.
ITEM NUMBER FOUR IS THAT THE PORCH STEPS FOR THE CARRIAGE HOUSE AND THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE MUST BE REVISED TO BETO CLOSER THAN THREE FEET TO THE SIDE PROPERTY LINE OR THE SUBDIVISION REVISED TO MEET THIS STANDARD.
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THINK THE CLO THE EASIEST WAY IS THE LANDSCAPE PLAN CUZ IT'S BIGGER.I WAS TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHAT, SO THE PROPERTY LINE IS THIS DASH.
UM, IT'S LONG, SHORT, SHORT, LONG, SHORT, SHORT.
THAT RUNS RIGHT HERE AND IT CARRIES ON.
SO IT CARRIES THROUGH THIS, THE PORCH STEPS FOR THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE ARE RIGHT HERE AND RIGHT HERE.
AND THEN THE CARRIAGE HOUSE HAS, UM, OR ACCESSORY STRUCTURE HAS STEPS THAT ARE RIGHT HERE.
I ACTUALLY CIRCLED IN BECAUSE I WAS LOOKING AHEAD IN RED RIGHT HERE ON THE SCREEN.
SO THOSE ARE THE THREE SPACES THAT, THAT IS, IF THEY MOVE THIS PROPERTY LINE OVER JUST ENOUGH TO BE ABLE TO, UM, HAVE THOSE STEPS, MEET THE REQUIREMENT, BUT STILL MAINTAIN THE REAR STEP HERE.
SO THAT'S BEING ADDRESSED THROUGH THE SUBDIVISION IS WHAT THEIR LETTER SAID.
UH, LIKE A FOOT AND A HALF FOOT AND A HALF.
AND SO THE PROPERTY LINE MOVING WILL ADDRESS THAT AND THAT CAN BE ADDRESSED DURING THE SUBDIVISION AS WELL.
AND THAT'S WHAT THEIR LETTER IS INDICATED THAT THEY WILL DO.
SO IT WILL COME INTO COMPLIANCE.
NUMBER FIVE IS THAT THE CARRIAGE HOUSE SQUARE FOOTAGE MUST BE UPDATED TO REFLECT THOSE SPACES THAT, UM, HAVE A POSSIBLE HEAD HEIGHT OF FIVE FEET OR MORE.
SO THIS IS THE ONE AND THEY'RE, THEY REQUESTED A LITTLE INFORMATION ON THAT.
AND AMANDA, SO THIS SPACE HERE, WHILE IT IS UNHEATED SPACE, IT IS ENCLOSED SPACE.
THE WAY OUR ORDINANCE READS IS THAT THE SPACES THAT HAVE A POSSIBLE HEAD HEIGHT OF BETWEEN, UH, WITH A KNEE WALL OF NO LESS THAN THREE FEET IN A POSSIBLE HEAD ROOM OF FIVE FEET OR LESS GETS INCORPORATED INTO THAT SQUARE FOOTAGE.
THE REASON BEHIND THAT DEFINITION IS BECAUSE THERE ARE SEVERAL STRUCTURES THAT HAD BEEN PROPOSED THAT HAD, UM, ADDITIONAL ATTIC SPACE THAT HAD HEAD HEIGHTS OF ABOUT EIGHT FEET OR SOMETIMES EVEN 10 FEET.
UM, SO THE MASS OF THE STRUCTURE STILL APPEARED TO BE A FULL STRUCTURE, BUT THEN THEY WERE ENCLOSING THOSE SPACES AND SAYING, WELL, THEY'RE NOT CONDITIONED SO THEY DON'T COUNT TOWARDS THE SQUARE FOOTAGE.
SO WHILE THE CARRIAGE HOUSE COULD APPEAR, IF THEY HAD A, A HIP DROOP ON THIS, AND THIS ONE'S NOT THE CASE ON THIS ONE, BUT IF THEY HAD A HIP ROOF ON THIS, THESE COULD HAVE EIGHT FEET OF HEAD HEIGHT ALL THE WAY OUT TO THE SIDES HERE.
AND IT WOULD STILL APPEAR TO BE A 1600 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING INSTEAD OF THE 1200 SQUARE FEET, WHICH A CARRIAGE HOUSE IS PERMITTED TO HAVE.
SO THAT'S WHERE THAT ORIGINALLY, THAT WOULDN'T, DOESN'T MATTER WHAT THEY WERE USING IT FOR.
UM, AND SO THE HEAD HEIGHT OR THE, I'M SORRY, THE PLATE HEIGHT HERE IS FOUR FEET, WHICH MEANS THERE IS SOME OF THE SPACE HERE CUZ THIS IS, UM, AT NINE FEET AND CHANGE.
I'M CALLING IT CHANGE CAUSE I CAN'T QUITE READ THAT NUMBER ON THE SCREEN.
SO SOME OF THIS AREA HERE NEEDS TO BE INCORPORATED IN THAT SQUARE FOOTAGE CALCULATION, BUT IT WAS ADDRESSED I THINK, WAS IT? UM, NO, IT HAS NOT YET BEEN ADDRESSED.
AND NUMBER FIVE AND THE HEATED, THE HEATED SQUARE FOOTAGE HAS BEEN ADDRESSED.
UM, NO, I WAS ASKING FOR CLARIFICATION.
I THINK BECAUSE THE CARRIAGE HOUSE IS ALREADY, UM, A ONE AND A HALF STORY STRUCTURE, NOT EVEN, I MEAN THE, THE KNEE WALLS ARE, I DON'T KNOW, FOUR FEET OR SOMETHING.
SO TO GO ANY LOWER TO MAKE THAT WORK, YOU WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO FUNCTION AND GET ANY STORAGE UP THERE.
IF WE HAD TO DROP IT ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE FLOOR LEVEL TO MAKE A FIVE FOOT KNEE WALL, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT LIKE THE OUTSIDE PERIMETER WALLS WHERE THE RAFTER SIT IS AT FOUR FEET.
IF WE HAD TO DROP THAT DOWN JUST TO MAKE THOSE KNEE WALLS AT FIVE FEET, WE WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO ACCESS ANY STORAGE UP THERE.
CAN YOU FLATTEN THE ROOF PITCH? WELL WE WOULD LIKE IT TO MATCH THE MAIN BUILDING.
SO WE WANT THE ARCHITECTURE OF THIS BUILDING TO MATCH THE ARCHITECTURE OF THE OTHER BUILDING.
SO THAT'S WHY WE HAVE CONSISTENT SLOPES OF ROOFS.
INSIDE THAT CAN'T BE, BUT THAT IS OUR WALLS AND INSIDE THAT, THAT IS WHAT HAS BEEN DONE.
SO THE CHALLENGE, THE QUESTION IS, UM, THE CHALLENGE IS THAT THE SPACE THAT HAS A POSSIBLE HEADROOM OF FIVE FEET OR MORE IS WHAT COUNTS TOWARDS THE SQUARE FOOTAGE CALCULATIONS FOR THE STRUCTURE.
IT'S NOT HEATED OR UNHEATED, IT'S ENCLOSED AND UNENCLOSED.
UM, AND THE SPACE THAT COUNTS TOWARDS THAT ENCLOSED IS ANYTHING THAT HAS THAT POSSIBLE HEAD HEIGHT OF FIVE FEET.
UM, SO THAT'S WHERE THIS IS, IS NOT QUITE MEETING THAT STANDARD.
SO, AND WHAT I'M SAYING IS TO MAKE THAT STANDARD MEET THIS, THAT ROOF RAFTER WOULD BASICALLY HAVE TO SIT ON THE FLOOR, WHICH THEN NEGATES ANYTHING WE CAN DO UPSTAIRS.
YOU WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO, WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO PUT A DOOR IN AND AND ACCESS
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THE SPACE UPSTAIRS.WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE AND WHAT'S ALLOWED AND WHAT'S, SO TYPICALLY LIKE FOR THE SECOND FLOOR TO HAVE A FIVE FOOT LIKE LIMIT WHERE YOU COULD, UM, YOUR UNITS SQUARE FOOTAGE SPACE OR YOUR ACCOUNTABLE SQUARE FOOTAGE SPACE.
OURS ARE A LITTLE TALLER BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT WE CAN ONLY USE 400 SQUARE FEET.
SO IN ORDER TO HAVE THE UM, KNEE WALK, THE 400 SQUARE FOOT NE NEAL AT FIVE FEET, WE WOULD HAVE TO DROP THE ROOF ALL THE WAY DOWN.
ONCE YOU DO THAT, CAN YOU PUT A, ONCE YOU DO THAT, THEN YOU WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO USE IT FOR STORAGE.
CAN YOU PUT A, UH, CONSTRUCTION THING THAT DROPS THE DROP CEILING SO THAT IT ELIMINATES THAT FIVE FOOT AREA IN CERTAIN AREAS? IN OTHER WORDS, YOU HAVE THE OPEN AREA, BUT THEN YOU BUILD A A DROP CEILING.
SO IT'S COMPLIED WITH THE SQUARE.
I WAS THINKING OUT LOUD, HOW MANY, HOW MANY SQUARE FEET ARE WE? I I DIDN'T, I WAS NOT ABLE TO DO THE MATH WITH MY DRAWINGS BECAUSE I DIDN'T, WE'RE NOT TALKING BUNCH, ARE WE? WELL IT'S, IT WOULD JUST MAKE THAT CENTER CORE WIDER.
SARAH, WOULD YOU LIKE TO COME UP? CAUSE I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
NO, YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT I'M SAYING? JUST PUT A, A DROP CEILING IN CERTAIN AREA SO THAT YOU HAVE IT ELIMINATED AS 400 SQUARE FEET HAVE FIVE FEET.
YOU HAVE IT AT FOUR FEET, FIVE IF THE, THE WHOLE, JUST THE CERTAIN AREAS THAT'S GONNA MAKE YOU BRING 400 SQUARE FEET AND THEN ALL THE OTHER AREAS YOU HAVE A DROP CEILING SO YOU CAN'T GET IN THERE AT FIVE FEET.
I MEAN I SUPPOSE YOU COULD DO THAT IN THE EVES EXTRA FRAMING, BUT IT'S EXTRA FRAMING BUT THEN STILL ARCHITECTURALLY REMOVED, MAKE IT COMPLIANT.
KIND OF WHAT YOU JUST FOUND A WORKAROUND.
I'M JUST, THAT DOES SOUND LIKE A, UM, THAT SOUNDS LIKE A LOOPHOLE THAT MIGHT BE SUCCESSFUL.
IT MAKES MY BRAIN HARD TO THINK ABOUT BECAUSE I HADN'T THOUGHT THAT'S, I WANTED TO DISCUSS IT SPACE.
CAUSE YOU STILL FEELING DOWN, I'M SORRY.
WELL YOU CAN'T, IF ANYTHING FIVE FEET IS CONSIDERED.
SO YOU DROP IT FOUR, FOUR AND A HALF FEET IN CERTAIN AREAS AND WE HAVE OUR 400 SQUARE FEET HIGHER CEILING.
AND THEN THE OTHER ONE AND THE OTHER ONES ARE LOW.
I MEAN TECHNICALLY IF WE WANT US TO PUT FRAMING IN THERE, WE CAN DO THAT.
THEY DON'T, EVERYBODY'S THERE, THERE IS NOT CODE LANGUAGE THAT PROHIBITS THAT, THAT WAY
SO THEN AT LEAST THEY CAN USE 400 SQUARE FEET.
CUZ LIKE I SAID, IF THEY, IF WE DROP THE ROOF DOWN, THEY WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO USE ANYTHING.
UM, THE NEXT ITEM IS THAT THE, UH, FULL ELEVATIONS FOR THE GARDEN STRUCTURE ARE REQUIRED AS THERE WASN'T QUITE ENOUGH INFORMATION TO COMPLETE THAT REVIEW.
THERE ARE TWO SIDES OF IT AND IT IS THE RIGHT AND FRONT OR ONE FRONT AND REAR AND ONE SIDE ELEVATION.
SO THE ONLY QUESTION OF WHAT THE ARCHITECTURE WILL LOOK LIKE ON THAT STRUCTURE IS THE SIDE THAT HAS THE DOOR.
UM, STAFF NEEDS THOSE TO ENSURE THAT IT IS MEETING THE STANDARDS.
HOWEVER, IF IT IS, AS IT APPEARS TO BE, WOULD FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH THE GARDEN STRUCTURE COMING BACK AT A STAFF LEVEL IF YOU FEEL THAT'S APPROPRIATE.
UM, BECAUSE THEY WOULD NEAR THE OTHER TWO SIDES WITH THE ROOF PITCH AND THE TWO WALLS THAT WE HAVE, THERE IS A SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF ELEVATION THERE.
UM, THE SEVENTH ITEM IS THAT, UM, ALL BUILDINGS EXCEPT FOR SINGLE FAMILY HOUSES REQUIRE AN AN EXPRESSION LINE TO DELINEATE THE DIVISION BETWEEN THE FIRST STORY AND THE SECOND STORY FOR THE PRIMARY AND ACCESSORY STRUCTURE PROPOSED.
DID WE DISCUSS THIS IN H BRC? WE DID.
WE DID AND WE DISCUSSED IT CAUSE WE PUT IT ON THE MARKET.
UM, BUT ON THIS ONE WE WERE ASKING FOR DEVIATION CAUSE THREE SIDES OF THE BUILDING HAVE THE PORCHES, WHICH COVER UP A LINE ANYWAY.
UM, AND THE LINE WOULD BE HAVE TO BE, YEAH.
SO IT WOULD REALLY ONLY BE THAT ONE SIDE AND WE DIDN'T FEEL IT WAS NECESSARY BECAUSE THERE'S NO PEDESTRIAN ACCESS OVER THERE.
UM, MAYBE THE WATERSHED BUILDING AND THE EXPRESSION LINE SIMPLY IS JUST A BRICK THAT'S PUT DIFFERENTLY, CORRECT? WELL, IT'S USUALLY TO DELINEATE, UH, FLOORS, BUT IN THIS CASE WE WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO DELINEATE SEE ON THAT THERE.
BUT EVEN IN THAT INSTANCE, THERE'S JUST, IT'S SO SMALL.
THAT RIGHT THERE, IF YOU HAD TO PUT ONE ON THAT, I THINK THE PROPORTION AND SCALE OF THE BUILDING WOULD LOOK OFF BECAUSE OF A, A LINE GOING ACROSS AT SUCH HEIGHT.
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SET ON THAT? ANYWHERE? WHAT ABOUT, I KNOW A LOT OF JUST TYPICAL CARRIAGE HOUSES THAT ARE NOT COMMERCIAL.I KNOW THEY'RE RESIDENTIAL, BUT THEY DON'T, THERE'S A LOT OF THEM THAT DON'T BEING BLUFF IN ROOM THAT WAS DEVELOPED PRIOR TO THE ORDINANCE BEING PUT IN PLACE.
SO I, YEAH, YOU CAN'T DON'T, I DON'T KNOW IF IT HAS ONE.
I CANNOT RECALL THE BRICK PATTERN ON THAT BUILDING OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD.
BUT IT WAS DONE PRIOR TO THIS ORDINANCE BEING PUT IN PLACE.
SO FOR THIS PARTICULAR ELEVATION, IF WE PUT THE, UM, THE FLOOR PLAN, I MEAN THE FLOOR, THE FLOOR SYSTEM, THE BAND AT THE FLOOR SYSTEM, THEN IT WOULD INTERRUPT THE WINDOWS ON THE LEFT TOO.
SO WE JUST WOULD HAVE TO BE, DOESN'T HAVE TO BE IN THE EXACT FLOOR LOCATION.
COULD IT BE IN THE FAKE? IT COULD BE THREE INCHES ABOVE.
I MEAN, IN OTHER WORDS, ALL IT IS THREE INCHES ABOVE, BUT IT'S NOT AS EXACT SAME LOCATION.
SO IT'S JUST AN EXPRESSION LINE TO BREAK IT UP IS WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR.
IS THAT RIGHT? WELL, IT IN THE UDO DOESN'T IT SAY SOMETHING ABOUT PEDESTRIAN SCALE? LOTS OF THINGS ABOUT PEDESTRIAN SCALE IN THERE, BUT SPECIFIC, UM, BE, IN OTHER WORDS, DOESN'T HAVE TO BE EXACTLY AT THE FLOOR LEVEL, THAT'S FINE.
BUT WHAT I'M ULTIMATELY, WE HAVE THE THREE SIDES COVERED AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ONE SIDE THAT IS NOT PEDESTRIAN.
BUT IN THAT, THAT'S THE CODE AS PREPARING FOR ALL BUILDINGS EXCEPT SINGLE FAMILY HOUSES AND EXPRESSION.
MY CHILDREN LINE THE DEVIATION BETWEEN THE FIRST AND SECOND STORY.
I I READ THAT SOMEWHERE IN MY LIFETIME.
THE FLOOR PLAN REMIND ME IT'S OP, LIKE WERE THOSE TWO REALLY LARGE WINDOWS THAT'S COMPLETELY OPEN TO THE THUMB.
I MEAN, FOR ME THAT'S, I DON'T KNOW WHERE I WOULD PUT THE LIKE, UH, ANATE SOMETHING, IT ALMOST FEELS LIKE A FLOURISH OF LIKE A, UH, I DON'T KNOW.
I MEAN, YEAH, IT WOULD SEEM TO ME FORCED.
RIGHT? THAT'S THE FORCED FEELING.
ANY FEELINGS ON THAT LOOK FORCED? YOU YOU AGREE? YES.
NO, IT, IT DOESN'T SPECIFY THAT IT SAYS, UM, THE EXACT LINE IS AN EXPRESSION LINE.
SHE'LL DELINEATE THE DIVISION BETWEEN THE FIRST STORY AND THE SECOND STORY.
A CORNER SHALL DELINEATE THE TOPS OF FACADE EXPRESSION SHALL EITHER BE, UM, MOLDINGS EXTENDED A MINIMUM OF TWO INCHES OR JOGS IN THE SURFACE PLANE OF THE BUILDING, WALK GREATER THAN TWO INCHES, CORNS SHALL EXTEND, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH.
SO, UM, IT DOESN'T, IT'S WHY ARE WE ALLOWING THIS QUESTION? IT'S NOT FACING ANY PEDESTRIAN AND IT'S DE IT'S ON THE OTHER THREE FIVE.
AND I THINK FROM, I MEAN FROM WHAT I JUST HEARD FROM THAT YEAH.
DEFINITION, I MEAN WHERE, I DON'T KNOW WHERE I WOULD PUT IT.
CAUSE IT'S NOT LIKE IT'S DELINEATING A FLOOR.
SO AS LONG AS WE HAVE SOMETHING BEHIND IT, RATHER THAN JUST ALLOWING IT, THAT'S WHAT LOOKING, UM, SORRY.
YOU WANNA GET BACK UP OR YOU STAY ME TO, BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO SIT DOWN AND MANY TIMES.
UM, THE NEXT ITEM ON THERE IS THAT THE COLUMNS FACING ON THE CARRIAGE HOUSE MUST BE REVISED SO THAT THERE'S SPACE NO FURTHER APART THAN THEY ARE TALL.
THEY'VE SAID THAT THEY WILL COMPLY WITH THAT.
THE NEXT ONE IS THAT THE FIBERGLASS COLUMN MATERIAL MUST BE REVISED TO AED MATERIAL.
THE COLUMN MATERIAL IS WHAT IS HIGHLIGHTED ON.
THERE WAS ONE, THAT'S ONE MISLABELED NOTE.
ALL THE OTHER ONES SAY STRUCTURAL COX COLUMN.
WE MISSED ONE NOTE SO WE WILL FIX IT.
AND THEN THE NEXT ONE IS THE COLUMN SPACING, WHICH IS THIS RIGHT HERE.
I'VE HIGHLIGHTED JUST THE BASES OF THOSE COLUMNS SO THAT THEY WERE INDICATED AND I COULD FIND THEM EASILY LATER.
UM, BUT THEY SAID THEY COULD ADJUST THOSE.
UM, THE NEXT ONE IS THE RES AND MASTERS.
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THIS ONE THEY ARE PROPOSED AS TWO AND A QUARTER.TWO QUARTER INCH METAL RODS, WHICH I'M NOT ENTIRELY SURE WHERE I CAME UP WITH THAT, SO I APOLOGIZE.
UM, ROD BAS WITH A TWO INCH SQUARE METAL POST FINISHED IN BLACK POWDER COATING.
UM, SO THAT IS JUST SOMETHING THAT HAS BEEN IDENTIFIED.
I MAY HAVE MISTYPED THAT NUMBER, BUT, UM, REGARDLESS OF THE SIZE OF IT, IT IS THE MATERIAL THAT IS IN QUESTION.
THEY'VE INDICATED THAT IT'S GOING TO BE POWDER COATED ALUMINUM AS WELL.
THE HANDRAILS ARE, THE HANDRAILS ARE THE MOTION.
YOU NEED TO ALSO ADDRESS THAT THE DOES THE MATERIAL.
UM, THE NEXT ITEM IS THE A DOOR THAT HAS FIBERGLASS.
THEY HAVE NOTED THAT THEY'LL MAKE THAT A METAL DOOR, THE, OR A WOOD DOOR.
EITHER WAY THEY'VE NOTED IT WILL COMPLY.
UM, IT'LL BE CHANGED TO METAL.
THE NEXT ITEM IS THAT WINDOW F IS PROPOSED AS A SLIDING WINDOW, WHICH IS NOT A PERMITTED, UM, OPERATION FOR A WINDOW.
THERE ARE SEVERAL VERSIONS THAT ARE PERMITTED THAT IS JUST GOT ONE OF THEM.
AND THEN ITEM G IS, OR ITEM 13, WE CAN GO BACK TO IT, BUT WINDOW AND DOOR ON THE SAME PAGE.
SO I'M GONNA READ BOTH OF THOSE REAL QUICK.
G PROPOSES AN OVERHEAD DOOR, WHICH MUST BE, UM, REVISED TO A PERMITTED CONFIGURATION AS WELL.
SO THIS IS THE SLIDING WINDOW.
IT IS THE ONE THAT I KINDA, THAT WILL BE IN THE KITCHEN BECAUSE THERE'S GONNA BE, UM, SO PEOPLE CAN WALK UP AND, AND TAKE FOOD TO GO, UM, GRAB AND GO OR THEY'RE GONNA PREPARE SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, FOR TO GO TAKE OUT.
WHERE IS THIS OVER THERE ON THE LEFT? THIS ONE? NO, YOU'RE NOT PUT A DRIVE THROUGH, YOU'RE JUST PUTTING A WALK THROUGH.
NO, IT'S JUST FOR PEOPLE TO WALK UP.
SO IF THEY'VE ORDERED SOMETHING, THEY CAN GO INSTEAD OF HAVING TO GO THROUGH THE RESTAURANT.
NOW AGAIN, GOING BACK TO PRECEDENT, I BELIEVE WE HAVE ALLOWED THAT IN OTHER LOCATIONS.
I MEAN PIZZA, PIZZA RE IS THAT BEFORE? AND THEN DO AGA'S WINDOWS OPEN UP, LIKE GARAGE STYLE HAS UP AND DOWN, UH, THEIR TILT WINDOWS.
THE UM, RIGHT, THEY LEFT CEILING.
UM, THAT'S A AND LOCAL WAS LOCAL PINE HAS SOMETHING THE BAR BETWEEN THE BAR AND THE OUTSIDE.
YEAH, I, THERE'S, THERE'S, IT'S DOING SOMETHING.
SO THEY'RE, THOSE ARE BOTH, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S LIFT OR SLIDE.
I GO OUT THERE AND SIT AT THE BAR AND CAN'T EVEN TELL SOMEHOW THE BAR.
I CAN'T REMEMBER HOW THEY LATCH AT THE TOP.
UM, WE ALSO ARE IN THE PROCESS SINCE TIME HAS LAPSED SINCE AND WE'RE FURTHERING OUR CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS AND HEARD THINGS, UM, WE ARE ASKING FOR THE SLIDING WINDOW, BUT I WOULD LIKE STAFF LEVEL APPROVAL ON THE EXACT CUT SHEET OR DESIGN OF IT ONCE WE HAVE IT.
THE DOORS THAT ARE BEING PROPOSED HERE? YEAH, THOSE ARE LIKE ANY OTHER ONES.
LIKE ON THE OLD MYRTLE'S BUILDING, THE K ATKINS BUILDING.
UM, CAPTAIN WOODY USED ALL THOSE THINGS.
UH, WHAT ELSE? UM, G IS OVERHEAD DOOR.
THEN THE NEXT ONE IS INFORMATION ABOUT THE GUNNER IS REQUIRED.
WE JUST DON'T HAVE THE INFORMATION ON OUR, WE HAD IT LISTED ON THE ROOF AS METAL STILL, BUT NOT THE MATERIAL.
BUT I DO SEE THE HALF INCH ROUND AMENDMENT THAT I APOLOGIZE FINISHED HALF INCH AS HALF INCH ROUND WITH GUTTER ROUND THAT'S APPROVED IN THE, UM, AND THEN THE, UM, 15 IS THE SAME, LIKE WE TALKED ABOUT 15 IS THE, THE PIERCED BRICK WALL AND THE FENCE TYPE ONE 16 IS THE DUMPSTER ENCLOSURE.
IT'S IDENTIFIED AS A SIX FOOT MINIMUM.
IT NEEDS TO BE A SIX FOOT MAXIMUM BECAUSE IT CANNOT EXCEED THAT.
AND THEN THE LAST ONE IS THE SIGNAGE, WHICH IS THE SAME AS
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PREVIOUS.AND I HAVE A QUESTION IS VENT, I KNOW THAT IT'S SICKEN UP OUT OF THE ROOF.
IS THERE ARCHITECTURALLY ANY WAY YOU CAN HIDE THAT MUSHROOM? UMM, I'M SORRY.
FOR VENTING PURPOSES AND CODE PURPOSES.
YEAH, I KNOW CUZ I'M, I JUST, THERE'S OTHER ONES AROUND.
UM, I KNOW, AND THIS IS IN THE BACK OF THE BUILDING THAT I DON'T THINK ANYONE'S NECESSARILY GOING TO, I HAVE TO BRING IT UP.
SO THAT'S WHY WE GAVE YOU INFORMATION, MR. CHAIRMAN, I WILL SAY THIS ONE DOES PROVIDE INFORMATION.
IT IS, UM, DARK IN COLOR INSTEAD OF THE SHINY REFLECTIVE SILVER THAT, UM, IS SOMETIMES MORE VISIBLE.
IT IS ALSO LOCATED ON THE ROOF.
UM, Y'ALL KNOW, I I DON'T DEFEND PENETRATIONS.
UH, NO, I GET IT TOWARDS THE REAR.
AND IT IS ON THE SIDE OF THE SIDE OF THE STRUCTURE THAT IS FACING A BUFFER NOT TOWARDS THE PUBLIC COMMON SPACE.
SO THAT'S JUST A GOOD EXAMPLE OF HOW IT IS THE BEST POSSIBLE LOCATION FOR A ROOF PENETRATION THAT IS NOT A MASONRY CHIMNEY.
AND IT'S THERE ACTUALLY BAKERY.
I'LL NEVER, THAT SHOULD BE GOOD.
BUT THIS IS THE BEST IT COULD GET IF IT IS GOING TO BE A METAL ROOF PENETRATION.
OH, WE DON'T NEED TO ADDRESS THAT.
UM, NOW WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE FOR YOU TO POSSIBLY PUT A MOTION TOGETHER AND UH, IT LOOKS LIKE YOU WERE TAKING COPIOUS NOTES,
I WOULD BE, I WOULD BE HAPPY TO.
UH, FIRST I'D LIKE TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S NO PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS APPLICATION.
IS THERE ANY PUBLIC THIS APPLICATION AND WE'RE LOOKING FOR DISCUSSIONS ON THIS? ARE THE YEAH, I, I THINK WE'RE GOOD.
I MEAN, I DO HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS AND I FEEL LIKE THIS ONE MIGHT BE THE ONE TO ASK THAT ARE, UM, SITE RELATED.
I DON'T THINK, I JUST WANTED, UH, THERE WAS TWO THINGS OR UH, TWO THINGS THAT I WANTED TO TALK ABOUT.
THE FIRST ONE WAS JUST, UM, THIS WAS MORE, HAVE YOU CONSIDERED IT OR, UM, THE, I WAS LOOKING AT AND THE HANDRAILS FOR THE, ALL OF THE RAMPS AND THE STAIRS ARE REALLY LOOKING OUT, UH, LIKE A SORE THUMB.
HAVE Y'ALL CONSIDERED POSSIBLY, UM, AND I DON'T KNOW HOW THIS WOULD LOOK, BUT, UH, LIKE IN CLOSING THOSE, IN THE SAME WOOD, UM, LIKE PUTTING THE WOOD, UM, STRUCTURE, LIKE PUTTING THOSE INSIDE THE WOOD STRUCTURE.
LIKE YOU SEE A LOT OF, UH, STAIRS, LIKE, UM, I'M FALLING.
SO A LOT OF TIMES ON, FOR INSTANCE, GOING UPSTAIRS, YOU'LL PUT, UH, THE HANDRAILS LIKE INSIDE OF IT SO THAT IT'S, SO IT BE HERE, BUT THIS WOULD MOVE OUT TO HERE IS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? YEAH, JUST SLIGHTLY HAVE, SO THE PORCH DEEPEN THE PORCH TO ALLOW IT TO BE INTERNAL TO THE DECORATIVE RAILING RATHER THAN HAVING IT EXTERNALLY? UM, NO, I WOULDN'T DO THAT.
UM, BECAUSE THEN YOU'RE DEALING WITH A ROOF SYSTEM AND MAKING SOMETHING EXTRA THAT YOU DON'T NEED A ROOF OR I'M JUST SAYING IN CASE PUT THE HANDRAILS INSIDE OF, UM, WOOD, WOOD RAILING INSIDE.
LIKE FOR INSTANCE, IF YOU GO, UH, THE, UH, LIKE IN THE, IN THE PROMENADE, THERE'S SEVERAL STAIRCASES WHERE THEY'VE CONTINUED THEIR OKAY.
YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT LIFE SAFETY AND CODE ISSUES THEN, BECAUSE HANDRAILS NO, THERE'S TWO DIFFERENT HAND.
SO THE HANDRAILS WOULD STAY EXACTLY THE SAME.
I'M JUST SAYING LIKE THOSE INSIDE HAND RAILS THAT YOU'RE GRIPPING FOR ADA WOULD STAY EXACTLY THE SAME.
I'M JUST ASKING IF YOU'VE GIVEN ANY CONSIDERATION TO, UH, PUTTING YOUR WOOD RAILS IN FRONT OF THOSE SO THAT THEY DON'T STICK OUT AS MUCH.
LIKE VISUALLY WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE IN PIECES.
SO FOR THE RAMPS AND THE STAIRS THAT YOU HAVE, YOU HAVE JUST A METAL TUBE RAIL.
HAVE YOU GIVEN ANY CONSIDERATION TO PUTTING A WOOD, UM, LIKE YOUR WOOD, LIKE A REGULAR WOOD POST? YES.
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THAT TO DO IS JUST DISAPPEAR.WE DON'T WANT TO DRAW ATTENTION TO IT BECAUSE IF YOU START ADDING THINGS TO IT, IT'S GONNA BE MORE OPAQUE.
IF YOU'RE NOT, WHATEVER ANYWAY, YOU'RE JUST, IT TAKES AWAY FROM IT BECAUSE THIS IS JUST MEANT TO VISUALLY DISAPPEAR AND BY CODE WE HAVE TO HAVE CERTAIN HANDRAILS AND EXTENSIONS.
I, UH, I'LL
I MEAN, I, I COULD GO EITHER WAY.
I WAS JUST WONDERING IF THERE'S A FUNCTIONAL OR NO, THIS IS JUST YOUR OPINION.
YEAH, IT'S JUST THAT THIS IS A PROMINENT YEAH, IT'D BE CONTINUING, UM, HAVING ADDITIONAL RAILINGS AND BALLAS RODS TO MATCH THE PORCH AND HAVE THAT AS JUST THE HANDRAIL INTERNALLY RATHER THAN A METAL, UH, HAND SYSTEM IS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? YES.
AND LIKE, LIKE BEFORE, WE WANT IT TO DISAPPEAR.
WE DON'T WANNA CALL ATTENTION TO IT.
UM, AND THEN THE, THE SECOND THING I JUST WONDER, IS THERE, UM, SO ASTRO DS GOING, UM, ON THE SITE PLAN, UH, WITH THE BRICK EDGING IT IS GOING, IS SHE IN ONE LOCATION? UH, YEAH, WE'RE, UM, WELL THIS IS FOR THE WHOLE ZONE.
SO IT'S GOING TO THE RIGHT OF THE, UM, DEER, UH, WHERE THE DEER TONGUE BUILDING WILL ULTIMATELY GO.
IS ASTRO TURF ALSO GOING, UM, OR IS THAT, SO THAT'S GOING, UM, WHATEVER THEY'RE LANDSCAPE.
UM, I'M NOT, WHERE DID YOU SEE THE TURF? IS THERE ONE SITE PLAN THAT'S LIKE THE FULL ON SITE PLAN? THIS MIGHT DRAW ITSELF SLOWLY.
YEAH, SO RIGHT WHERE THERE'S A WOOD, UH, BASICALLY A RAISED WOOD STAGE IN THAT ZONE, IS THAT ALSO ASTRA TURF? AND OBVIOUSLY IF YOU DON'T KNOW THAT, I DON'T CARE.
I'D HAVE TO READ THEIR SCHEDULE, RIGHT.
IN OTHER WORDS, IT COULD BE GRASS OR ANSWER TURF.
THE RIGHT, I MEAN, THAT'S NOT YOUR PRIVY.
THAT'S, I DIDN'T MEAN IT LIKE THAT.
IT'S PROBABLY NOTED SOMEWHERE ON THEIR PLAN.
WHAT I ALL RIGHT WITH, UH, ANY OTHER DISCUSSIONS? AND IF NOT, UH, RICHARDSON, IF YOU COULD, UH, I MEAN ARE WE, ARE WE GOOD? YEAH, I, I GUESS THAT'S, UH, RICHARDSON'S, IF YOU COULD PROVIDE YOUR INSIGHT, THAT WOULD BE WONDERFUL.
SO WHAT I'VE GATHERED IS, UH, IT SOUNDS LIKE IT'S GONNA BE A MOTION TO APPROVE OF CONDITIONS WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS, UH, DOCTOR FROM THE STAFF REPORT CONDITIONS 1, 2, 3, 4, 6, 8, 9, 11, 14, 15, 16, AND 17, AND WITH THE FOLLOWING FINDINGS AS TO THESE PARTICULAR CONDITIONS.
SO CONDITION NUMBER FIVE, THAT THE CEILING ITEM ON THE SECOND FLOOR BE ADJUSTED TO ENSURE THAT THE TOTALS SQUARE FOOTAGE REMAINS UNDER 1200 SQUARE FEET FOR THE CARRIAGE HOUSE.
UH, CONDITION NUMBER SEVEN AS STATE AND STAFF REPORT, UH, THAT THERE'D BE A DEVIATION FROM THE UDO SO AS TO NOT REQUIRE AN EXPRESSION LINE BETWEEN THE FIRST AND SECOND FLOORS AS THE COMMISSION OR AS IT WOULD LOOK FORCED.
AND IT IS NOT FACING ANY SORT OF PEDESTRIAN THOROUGHFARE.
IT IS NOT A FULL TWO STORY BUILDING AS TO CONDITION TEMP, UH, THAT A DEVIATION BE PERMITTED FOR THE POWDER CODED ALUMINUM MATERIAL PROVIDED THAT THE RAILINGS ARE OF SUBSTANTIAL WEIGHT AND TRADITIONAL DESIGN.
AND THEN AS TO CONDITIONS 12 AND 13, WITH THE SLIDING WINDOWS AND THE OVERHEAD DOORS THAT THE DEVIATIONS BE PERMITTED FOR SECURITY PURPOSES AND, UM, FOR EFFECTIVE COMMERCIAL PURPOSES.
DOES ANYONE HAVE A DISCUSSION REGARD TO THE MOTION? SO THEREFORE WE COULD MAKE, UH, SOMEBODY CAN MAKE A MOTION TO YOU CAN JUST, YES.
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SECOND.ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION IN REGARDS TO MOTION ON THE TABLE? IF NOT, I'M LOOKING FOR A VOTE.
ANY OPPOSED? UH, UNANIMOUSLY MOTION? SO THANK YOU FOR THE RECAP.
VERY MUCH THANK FOR THE PEOPLE WHO MADE BLOCKCHAIN, THE AUDIENCE.
THIS IS THE REASON WE DO IT THAT WAY.
IS THERE 17 CONDITIONS? FOCUS ON THE CRITERIA INSTEAD OF TRYING TO TAKE NOTES.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR, UH, THANK YOU FOR YOUR ASSISTANCE.
[IX.4. Certificate of Appropriateness: A request by Pearce Scott Architects, on behalf of the owner Billy Waterson, for approval of a Certificate of Appropriateness to allow the relocation and reconstruction of the 1,186 SF Contributing Resource known as the Deer Tongue Warehouse, the reconstruction of the existing 378 SF front porch, and the construction of a rear addition of approximately 348 SF to the structure located at 1255 May River Road (Tax Parcel R610- 039-00A-0235-0000) in the Old Town Bluffton Historic District and zoned Neighborhood General-HD. (COFA-06-22-016821) (Staff - Glen Umberger)]
LOOKS LIKE WE'RE ON OUR FOURTH ITEM AND, UH, WE'RE CHANGING CHARACTER TODAY.WELL, THAT'S GOOD, YOU KNOW, AND IT LOOKS LIKE, UH, WE HAVE GLAM UP.
SO THIS IS, UM, REQUEST FROM THE APPLICANT PIERCE SCOTT ARCHITECTS, WHEN WE HAVE THE OWNER BILLY WATERSTON, UH, TO CONSIDER THE FOLLOWING APPLICATION.
THIS IS A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO ALLOW THE RELOCATION AND RECONSTRUCTION OF THE WAREHOUSE, 186 SQUARE FOOT CONTRIBUTING RESOURCE KNOWN AS THE WAREHOUSE.
THE RECONSTRUCTION OF THE EXISTING 378 SQUARE FOOT FRONT PORCH, AND THE CONSTRUCTION OF A REAR ADDITION OF APPROXIMATELY 348 SQUARE FEET TO THE STRUCTURE LOCATED AT YOU GUESSED AT 1255 REAR RIVER ROAD, UM, IN THE OLD TOWN BLUFFTON HISTORIC DISTRICT.
UM, TO REFRESH YOUR MEMORY, THIS IS THE ZONING AND LOCATION MAPS.
UM, YOU SAW THIS PROJECT AND APPROVE THE COFA BACK IN FEBRUARY TO RELOCATE WHAT WAS IDENTIFIED AS STRUCTURE A IN BLUE FROM THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE DIAGRAM TO THE LEFT SIDE OF THE DIAGRAM.
UM, ALSO TO REFRESH YOUR MEMORY, SOME HISTORIC PHOTOGRAPHS.
THIS IS THE DEER TONGUE WAREHOUSE IN ITS PREVIOUS LOCATION ON LAWRENCE STREET, UH, 1975.
UM, AND THEN CON CURRENT CONDITIONS AS OF, UM, OCTOBER 3RD, UM, IN ITS CURRENT LOCATION ON MAY RIVER ROAD.
UM, AS OF YOUR PREVIOUS, UH, APPLICATIONS TONIGHT, YOU SHALL CONSIDER EIGHT REVIEW CRITERIA SET FORTH IN SECTION THREE POINT 18.3.
UM, FURTHERMORE, YOU ALSO ARE AUTHORIZED TO TAKE THE FOLLOWING ACTIONS.
YOU CAN APPROVE THE APPLICATION AS SUBMITTED, APPROVE THE APPLICATION WITH CONDITIONS OR DENY THE APPLICATION.
UM, WE ONLY HAVE A FEW REVIEW, RELEVANT REVIEW CRITERIA, UM, UNDER 3 18 3 A TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE SECRETARY OF INTERIOR STANDARDS FOR REHABILITATION.
UM, UM, STATES IN PART THAT THE HISTORIC CHARACTER, THE PROPERTY SHALL BE RETAINED AND PRESERVED.
UM, THE REMOVAL OF HISTORIC MATERIALS SHALL BE AVOIDED.
UM, WE'RE ASKING THAT ALL HISTORIC MATERIALS WILL NEED TO BE EVALUATED AND REPAIRED OR REPLACED WITH LIKE INKIND AS NEEDED.
ANY HISTORIC MATERIALS WHICH WILL REQUIRE REPLACEMENT WILL NEED TO BE IDENTIFIED IN BUILDING PERMIT DRAWINGS FOR COMPLIANCE.
THIS IS SIMILAR WHAT YOU DID LAST TIME AT THREE WHARF STREET.
MR. UM, THE APPLICATION ALSO MEET, UH, ARTICLE FIVE DESIGN STANDARDS.
ACCORDING TO THOSE SECTIONS, UM, ADDITIONAL INFORMATION MUST BE PROVIDED TO ENSURE RAILINGS AND BALL STREETS ARE PERMITTED MATERIALS.
UM, ADDITIONAL INFORMATION MUST BE PROVIDED TO ENSURE DORM MATERIAL FOR STORAGE AREA AND REAR ENTRANCES OR PERMITTED MATERIALS.
UM, FENCE SITES MUST BE REDUCED TO A MAXIMUM PERMITTED HEIGHT AND ADDITIONAL INFORMATION MUST BE PROVIDED TO ENSURE THE SOIT IS APPROVED LEVEL.
UM, ALSO YOU'LL NEED TO, UM, CONSIDER, UM, THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
THE SUBDIVISION FOR THE SITE MUST BE BE APPROVED AND RECORDED PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF THIS CERTIFICATE APPROPRIATENESS.
AND FOR THE APPLICATION MATERIAL, ANY PROPOSED SIGNAGE WILL REQUIRE A SEPARATE SITE FEATURE, HD APPLICATION.
UM, STAFF IS MAKING THE FOLLOWING RECOMMENDATIONS TO APPROVE THE APPLICATION WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS.
UM, AND AS YOU SEE IN YOUR HANDOUT, NUMBER FOUR, UM, SINCE THE STAFF REPORT WENT OUT, WE DID GET COMMENTS BACK FROM THE APPLICANT.
UM, AND AGAIN, JUST TO REVIEW, WE STILL NEED TO STATE THESE, THESE WILL STILL NEED TO BE RESTATED AS PART OF ANY PROPOSED MOTION.
NO, WE DO HAVE A REPLY, BUT WE STILL NEED TO STATE THESE JUST FOR THE PURPOSES OF THAT'S CORRECT.
SO ANY MATERIALS WHICH REQUIRE REPLACEMENT WILL BE IDENTIFIED IN THE BUILDING PERMIT DRAWINGS.
APPLICANT HAS SAID THEY WILL COMPLY WITH THAT.
UH, ADDITIONAL INFORMATION PROVIDED FOR THE MATERIALS OF RAILINGS AND STRAITS, REAR DOORS AND SOFFITS.
UM, THE RAILINGS, LIKE BEFORE WE ARE PROPOSED TO BE A POWER CODED ALUMINUM.
UM, THIS IS NOT A PERMITTED MATERIAL, SO YOU'LL HAVE TO SPECIFY THAT IN A MOTION SHOW YOU IF YOU SO CHOOSE.
UM, REAR DOORS WILL BE WOOD SOFFIT WILL BE TONGUE AND GROOVE.
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SOUTHERN YELLOW PINE PAINTED, UM, FENCE HEIGHTS REDUCED THE MAXIMUM PERMITTED HEIGHT.THE LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT WILL ADJUST THAT.
UM, ALL CONDITIONS OF THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN REVIEW ARE ADDRESSED.
THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN APPROVED, UM, SUBDIVISION AND ANY PROPOSED SIGN DRAWER REQUIRES SEPARATE SITE FEATURE, HD APPLICATION.
DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? THEY, UH, GOING BACK TO THAT, THEY, YOU HAVE STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS ONE THROUGH NINE AND IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE WE HAVE NINE ITEMS ADDRESSED HERE.
LET ME GET MY, UM, STAFF REPORT.
THE, THE STAFF REPORT DID MENTION, UH, THE HANDICAP RAMP THAT'S BEEN, THAT'S BEEN ADJUSTED.
THAT'S NOT AN ISSUE NOW, RIGHT? SO WE DON'T HAVE THIS ON THIS, RIGHT? THAT HAS BEEN RIGHT.
UM, SO THE HANDICAP RAMP, WE'LL STAY AS IT IS.
IT'S GOING TO STAY IN THE SAME LOCATION, STAY AS IS DRAWN.
LOOKING AT IT, IT LOOKS LIKE THAT LOCATION TO ME WAS FLYING.
CAUSE IF YOU MOVED IT, WERE WAS RECOMMENDED.
NOW WE GET INTO A PROBLEM WITH, UH, UH, PROPERTY LINES, RIGHT? SO THIS, THIS, THIS, THAT WILL ACTUALLY STAY FINE THERE.
WHAT ELSE WASN'T ADDRESSED? BEAR WITH ME FOR ONE SECOND.
MY TECHNOLOGY'S TAKEN A LITTLE BIT, BUT AGAIN, WE COULD, WE NAME ALL THIS STUFF OUT THE MOTION, SO WHOEVER MAKES A MOTION HAS, UH, ACTUALLY IF THERE'S, THERE'S ONLY A FEW ITEMS THAT WE HAVE TO TALK, TALK ABOUT IS THE ALUMINUM.
EVERYTHING ELSE COULD BE HALF APPROVAL, RIGHT? THE ONLY IS THE POWDER CODED ALUMINUM RAILINGS, WHICH IS NOT A PERMITTED MATERIAL, BUT YOU CAN SPECIFY THAT AS WE HAVE IN THE OTHER DEVIATION ACCEPTABLE TO THE OCEAN.
THE WAY I, THE WAY I AM SEEING THIS ONE IS A MOTION TO APPROVE WITH CONDITIONS ADOPTING CONDITIONS 1, 3, 4, 1, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, AND NINE AS STATED IN THE STAFF REPORT.
UH, AND THEN AS TWO CONDITION NUMBER THREE, WHICH IS ABOUT THE CO CODED ALUMINUM RAILINGS, WE'LL USE THAT SAME LANGUAGE AS BEFORE AND THEN JUST REJECT, UH, CONDITION NUMBER TWO BECAUSE BOTH THE, BOTH STAFF AND THE APPLICANT HAVE FOUND THAT THAT RAMP DOES NOT NEED TO BE RELOCATED.
SO YOU DON'T EVEN HAVE TO MENTION THAT.
UM, WE ALSO DO HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT THAT I UNDERSTAND THE APPLICANT HAS A CHANCE TO TALK.
IF YOU COULD COME TO THE PODIUM AND STATE YOUR NAME.
SO THANK YOU FOR SEEING US TONIGHT.
WOULD YOU LIKE TO SPEAK WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING FOR THIS PROPERTY? WELL, YOU'RE IN YOUR A COMMISSIONER, SO DOES SHE HAVE TO HAVE PUBLIC COMMON? BUT SHE'S, SHE DID STATE, RIGHT? SHE'S PART OF MY, I'S PART OF ME BECAUSE SHE'S, SHE'S PART OF ME, BRUCE.
WELL, I KNOW, BUT I'M, I'M, WE, WE TYPICALLY FOR OWNERS OF THE OWNERS OF THE PROPERTY OR THOSE INVOLVED IN THE APPLICATION, WE TYPICALLY GIVE A LITTLE BIT OF LEEWAY, UM, AND ALLOW THEM TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT.
ME JUST, UM, SO THANK YOU ALL FOR, UM, TAKING THE TIME TO CONSIDER THIS TONIGHT AS ONE OF THE ALAN, OH, I'M, UH, BRIDGET FRAZIER.
I'M ONE OF THE OWNERS OF THE MODERN PORCH PROJECT.
UM, AND JUST TO GIVE A LITTLE INSIGHT ON THE IMPORTANCE OF THIS PARTICULAR, UM, SITE AND WHAT WE'RE GONNA BE DOING WITH IT.
UM, WE ALSO BELIEVE IN THE PRESERVATION AND THE REHABILITATION OF HISTORIC STRUCTURES.
AND WHILE WE AIM TO MAINTAIN THE AESTHETICS OF THE EXTERIOR, WHICH WE ARE ABSOLUTELY IN LOVE WITH, UM, WE ARE CONSIDERATE OF THE SAFETY OF THOSE WHO ARE GONNA OCCUPY THE BUILDING WITH THEIR NEW USE AS BUFFON'S.
FIRST IN THE AREAS ONLY HISTORIC, UM, GULLAH CULTURE, HERITAGE CENTER, WHICH WILL BE A PLACE TO TELL THE HISTORY, UM, OFTEN A FORGOTTEN STORIES, STORIES THAT HAVE NEVER BEEN HEARD BEFORE OF THOSE WHO ONCE THRIVED AND EXISTED IN THIS TOWN, AND WHOSE STORIES CERTAINLY DESERVE TO BE HEARD.
AND SO INSTEAD OF, UM, ALLOWING THE BUILDING TO REMAIN AS IS AND UM, BECOME DILAPIDATED, WE WOULD RATHER SEE THE BUILDING
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BE, UM, RESTORED IN A, A WAY THAT WILL ENSURE IT WILL BE AROUND NOT ONLY DURING, UH, THIS PROJECT, BUT FOR YEARS TO COME.AND SO, UM, WE ASKED WITH THAT CONSIDERATION, UM, THAT YOU LOOK AT THAT, UH, HERE TONIGHT, THAT WE ARE LOOKING TO BE IN ACCORDANCE TO THE UDO AS WELL AS WITH THE SECRETARY OF STATE, UH, GUIDELINES RECOMMENDS.
UM, AND WE'RE NOT LOOKING TO, UH, DEVIATE OR DO ANYTHING, UM, OBTRUSIVE FROM THAT NATURE.
DO ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENT? WE HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT.
ROBERTS CHAIRMAN, I LIVE AT 75 ALL JOY ROAD AND I HAVE SUBMITTED THE LETTER AS WELL.
UM, I'M ALSO AN ATTORNEY AND I WOULD ADVISE YOU TO CAREFULLY LOOK AT THIS APPLICATION BECAUSE I THINK IT VIOLATES THE LAW ON FEBRUARY THE SECOND OF THIS YEAR.
YOU ALL APPROVED THE RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING THE MOVING OF THIS BUILDING, THE RELOCATION OF IT, UM, AND IT SPECIFICALLY, YOU'LL ADD THE DEMOLITION OF THE NON HISTORIC NORTHERN PORTION OF THE BUILDING AND SAID THAT AS A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE AND THAT THE RELOCATION OF THE REMAINING HISTORIC STRUCTURE KNOWN AS DEER TONGUE BUILDING WAS CERTAIN CONDITIONS.
NOTHING WAS SAID ABOUT DEMOLISHING THE BUILDING.
NOTHING WAS SAID ABOUT RECONSTRUCTING THE BUILDING.
THEREFORE, I BELIEVE THIS MOTION IS MOOTING AND OUTTA ORDER.
YOU HAVE, THERE'S CERTAIN WAYS THAT YOU, UM, RECONSIDER MOTIONS, BUT YOU'VE ALREADY ADOPTED ONE WITH REGARD TO THE MOVING OF THIS BUILDING AS IT WAS REPRESENTED TO THE PUBLIC, UM, AND HAS BEEN ALL ALONG.
WE, THOSE OF US WHO ARE OPPOSED TO THIS PARTICULAR APPLICATION, WE'RE NOT OPPOSED TO THE MOVING OF THE BUILDING, THE RELOCATION OF THE BUILDING.
WE'RE NOT OPPOSED TO ADDING THE BATHROOMS ON THE BACK OF THE BUILDING.
BUT THIS IS NOT A ANYTHING OTHER THAN A PURE DEMOLITION.
NOW THEY THEN, ONCE THEY DEMOLISH THE BUILDING, THEY PROPOSE TO RECONSTRUCT IT, BUT THEY'RE NOT GONNA RECONSTRUCT IT.
THEY'RE GONNA BUILD A NEW BUILDING.
IS THIS BUILDING IS NOT THE SAME SIZE? CAN YOU PUT UP THE WHAT THE ELEVATION OF THIS NEW THING LOOKS LIKE? IT HARDLY LOOKS ANYTHING LIKE WHAT THE ELEVATION.
CAN YOU HARDLY LOOKS ANYTHING LIKE WHAT'S THERE NOW? UM, AS YOU DON'T HAVE AN ELEVATION? I DO.
IT'S JUST OKAY AS TO SQUARE FOOTAGE AS TO THE SHAPE, NONE OF IT'S THE SAME.
WHAT THEY PROPOSED TO DO IS SIMPLY USE THE MATERIAL AND RECONSTRUCT PARTS OF THE BUILDING AS A PART OF THEIR SUBMISSION.
THEY TALK ABOUT THE FOUR PARTS OF PRESERVATION, DEMOLITION, RECONSTRUCTION, AND SO ON.
NOW THAT SIMPLY DOES NOT LOOK THE SAME IN ANY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM IS NOT THE SAME SIZE.
UM, IT DOESN'T HAVE THE SAME, THE, THE, THE SAME PORCH DOESN'T HAVE ANY OF THOSE SIM SIMILAR, UM, ATTRIBUTES.
THERE ARE CERTAIN CRITERIA SET FORTH BY THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR, UM, WITH REGARDS TO DEMOLITION OF CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES.
HAVE YOU ALL EVEN THOSE CRITERIA WITH REGARD TO THIS PROJECT? NO.
HAVE YOU LOOKED AT ANY OF THE, THE, ANY OF THE ATTRIBUTES OF THE OLD BUILDING AND COMPARED TO THE NEW BUILDING, HAS THERE BEEN ANY SHOWING THAT THIS BUILDING IS IN NEED OF SOME KIND OF RECONSTRUCTION? THERE HAVE BEEN THREE DEMOLITION PERMITS ISSUED BY THE TOWN OF LUTON THUS FAR IN HISTORY.
MAYBE FOUR OF, AT LEAST THREE OF THOSE I'VE BEEN INVOLVED IN.
I LIKE TO CONTINUE, IF I MAY, THE, THE THREE, THE THREE HAVE THEM HAVE ALL SHOWN SERIOUS CONSTRUCTION DEFECTS.
NOTHING HAS BEEN SAID ABOUT THAT IN ANY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM WITH REGARD TO THIS BUILDING.
AND I PROMISE YOU THAT, THAT NOT NONE OF US INCLUDE MYSELF WHO MOVED THIS BUILDING, WHO REHABILITATED THE BUILDING AND WHO RECEIVED AN AWARD BY THE TOWN FOR THE REHABILITATION OF, OF THIS BUILDING ARE GONNA ALLOW AND, AND ALLOW THIS TO HAPPEN.
FIRST, LET ME, UH, CONGRATULATE MR. WATERTON, UH, ON HIS VISION FOR THE GUAG GEE CULTURE.
AND WE MUST PLEASE INTRODUCE YOURSELF.
I'M SORRY THAT I STILL WANTED THAT.
CONGRATULATIONS TO GO ON THE RECORD IF IT MAY.
I'M JOAN HAWARD AND I LIVE AT 95 BOUNDARY STREETS.
AND I'M HERE FOR THE DEAR TONGUE STRUCTURE, WHICH IS THE CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE.
AND AS SUCH, IT CONTRIBUTES TO THE HISTORY OF LEFTON
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AS A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE.THE UDO STATES IT IS IMPORTANT THAT ANY REPAIRS OR ALTERATIONS MADE TO A CONTRIBUTING RESOURCE DO NOT HAVE A NEGATIVE IMPACT ON ITS HISTORIC INTEGRITY.
NOW, PER GLENN UMBERGER, IN HIS REMARKS ON PAGE 2 33 OF YOUR PACKET, HE QUOTED THAT AS THE CERTIFIED LOCAL GOVERNMENT, THE TOWN HIRES THE OUTSIDE FIRM TO DETERMINING OUR CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES.
THIS WAS DONE IN 2020 AND THE DEER HOUSE, DEER TONGUE WAREHOUSE BUILDING REMAINS A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE.
IN ADDITION, CRANSTON ENGINEERING DID A STRUCTURAL CONDITION ASSESSMENT DATED JANUARY 6TH, 2022, IN WHICH THEY STATED, IT IS OUR UNDERSTANDING THAT THE INTENT IS TO LIFT AND RELOCATE THE BUILDING ON THE SAME PROPERTY.
WE DO NOT FORESEE ANY UNUSUAL OR INORDINATE RISK TO ACHIEVING THAT GOAL.
I WOULD ASSUME THAT LAST JANUARY, RELOCATING THE STRUCTURE INTACT WAS THE GOAL OF THE DEVELOPER, MR. WATERTON.
SO WHAT HAS CHANGED ON FEBRUARY 2ND, THE HPC APPROVED THE INTACT RELOCATION OF THIS STRUCTURE AND I AGREE WITH THAT.
TO USE PRECEDENT IN THIS CASE DOES NOT WORK BECAUSE THE CONDITIONS ARE NOT THE SAME.
CRANSTON ENGINEER HAS DEEMED THE DEAR TIME STRUCTURE TO BE STRUCTURALLY SOUND AND CAPABLE OF BEING MOVED INTACT.
OTHERS, ACCORDING TO STRUCTURAL REPORTS, HAVE BEEN DEEMED STRUCTURALLY UNSAVED.
AND AS I SAID ON FEBRUARY SEC, YOUR FEBRUARY 2ND MEETING, YOU APPROVED THIS INTACT RELOCATION.
THE SECRETARY OF INTERIOR LISTS FOUR UM, METHODS OF DEALING WITH HISTORIC PROPERTIES.
AND I'M SURE YOU KNOW WHAT THEY ARE, BUT I'M STILL GONNA REPEAT THEM.
THEY ARE, UM, PRESERVING, REHABILITATING, RESTORING AND RECONSTRUCTING.
RECONSTRUCTING ESSENTIALLY MEANS BUILDING A NEW BUILDING.
WHAT WILL HAPPEN HERE IS THIS PROJECT WILL DISMAN DEMOLISH OR DISMANTLE A SOUND CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE UNDER THE GUISE OF REHABILITATION.
IF A PROPERTY IS DEEMED HISTORIC, IT HAS A HISTORY THAT STRETCHES OVER THE COURSE OF MANY YEARS, THIS ONE FROM 1945.
FURTHERMORE, BLUFFTON IS A SMALL TOWN.
WE ONLY HAVE 82 CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES.
WE DON'T HAVE THOUSANDS LIKE SAVANNAH DOES.
WE DO NOT NEED TO LOSE ONE OF OUR STRUCTURES.
SO MEMBERS OF THE HBC URGE YOU TO REALIZE THE SIGNIFICANCE OF THE DEAR TONGUE WAREHOUSE IN THE HISTORY OF BLUFFTON AND YOU HAVE APPROVED THE INTACT RELOCATION OF THIS STRUCTURE.
AND I HOPE YOU'LL STAND BY THAT BECAUSE MOVING THIS BUILDING PRESERVES THE HISTORY OF BLUFFTON AND I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME AND THE OTHER TOWN.
PUBLIC COMMENTS, NOT, NOT THE LAST PUBLIC COMMENT HAS BEEN WITHDRAWN.
AFTER PUBLIC COMMENTS, I UNDERSTAND STAFF AND ALSO THE APPLICANT CAN ADDRESS THAT.
IS THAT CORRECT, RICHARD? THAT'S CORRECT.
I JUST WANTED TO RESPOND TO, UM, TWO OF THE PUBLIC COMMENTS.
UM, TWO, ONE, IT IS NOT A VISION JUST OF MR. WATERTON, IT'S A SHARED VISION OF BRIDGET FRAZIER AND BILLY WATERSON, BUT ALSO THE PRECEDENCE OF WHAT WE WE'RE DOING IS NO DIFFERENT THAN WHAT'S ALREADY BEEN SET.
UM, THE GRAVES PROPERTY AS WELL AS THE GAR GARVIN HOUSE IN BLUFFTON, BOTH HAVE RECEIVED AWARDS AND ACCOLADES FOR GOING THROUGH THE SAME PROCESS.
IT IS NOT DEMOLITION IN THE CONTEXT OF THE BUILDINGS ARE GONNA BE DEMOLISHED.
IT IS A VERY IN DEPTH PROCESS OF REMOVING PIECES OF THE BUILDING INTACT, NUMBERING, LABELING, AND THEN PLACING THEM BACK IN THE SAME FASHION AS WHAT THE BUILDING ORIGINALLY LOOKED LIKE.
ALSO ACCORDING TO THE SECRETARY OF INTERIOR STANDARDS AND DESIGN.
UM, IT IS NOT A RECOMMENDATION TO LEAVE
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THE BUILDING AS STATED, UM, INTACT OPPOSED TO THE WAY THAT WE'RE DOING IT.UH, THAT DESIGNATION ONLY COMES INTO PLAY IF WE ARE REQUESTING FEDERAL FUNDS TO DO THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT IN WHICH WE'RE NOT.
IT IS BEING, UM, FUNDED PRIVATELY AND THE DARE TONGUE BUILDING DID NOT LOSE ITS HISTORIC DESIGNATION WHEN THE CURRENT OR THE PREVIOUS OWNERS ATTACHED A KITCHEN ATTACHMENT ONTO IT.
IT STILL MAINTAINED THE, UH, TOWN'S HISTORIC DESIGNATION AND UM, THE DESIGNATION THAT THE BUILDING CURRENTLY HAS WILL NOT BE REMOVED BECAUSE OF THE MANNER THAT WE ARE SEEKING TO, UM, UH, RELOCATE THE BUILDING AND, UM, HAVE IT UM, UH, RECONSTRUCTED.
SO I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY, UH, SOME OF THAT AS TO NOT ALLOW, UM, ANY FALSE INFORMATION TO, UM, HAVE IT SPREAD WITH THAT.
AND I'D ALSO LIKE TO CLARIFY THE BUILDING, THE DRAWINGS.
THEY ARE, WE WENT OUT AND TOOK PHYSICAL SITE MEASUREMENTS AND WE MEASURED AS BEST AS WE COULD AND I DREW THEM AS BEST AS I COULD WITH THE, WHAT I COULD REACH, SEE, MEASURE.
SO WE DID NOT CHANGE FOOTPRINT WHEN THEY, UM, DECONSTRUCT OR START TO MOVE THINGS, THEY WILL TAKE ANOTHER SET OF PHYSICAL MEASUREMENTS BECAUSE WE WANT IT TO BE THE EXACT SAME.
IT'S NOT TO BE ANYTHING DIFFERENT THAN WHAT IT ALREADY IS.
THE, THE BUILDING THAT YOU IS PRESENTLY THERE, YOU'VE TAKEN NOTES, YOU'VE MEASURED THE NEW BUILDING THAT YOU'RE BUILDING AS FAR AS WINDOWS, AS FAR AS HEIGHT, AS FAR AS EVERYTHING EXTERIORLY LOOKING AND INCLUDING THE OUTSIDE PANELS AND, AND SUCH ARE.
AND I HAD, I'M SORRY THAT I'M NOT VERY GOOD AT DRAWING BECAUSE I DID THE PANELS AS BEST AS I COULD WITHOUT BEING ABLE TO MEASURE EACH ONE.
SO I WAS GRAPHICALLY TRYING TO SHOW YOU HOW THEY'RE GONNA BE IN THE SAME, I LOOKED OFF THE PICTURES, I WENT THERE PHYSICALLY, BUT I, I DON'T KNOW THE EXACT MEASUREMENTS OF EVERY SINGLE PANEL.
AND THAT'S SOMETHING WHEN IT DOES GET DECONSTRUCTED, UM, UM, RECONSTRUCT SAVANNAH, UM, THEY'RE GONNA COME.
WE HAVE UM, WHO'S THE, WHO IS THAT? IT'S A, UM, NONPROFIT IN SAVANNAH.
AND WHAT THEY DO IS THEY TAKE OLD HISTORIC BUILDINGS AND THEY DECONSTRUCT THEM SYMPATHETICALLY, THEY, UM, MEASURE, UM, DOCUMENT CATALOG.
SO THIS IS A THIRD PARTY COMPANY THAT'S GOING TO BE DOING THIS? YES.
AND THEN THEY ABOVE AND BEYOND JUST, IT'S NOT GONNA BE JUST YOU OR ME GOING OUT AND TAKING THINGS ON, IT'S THE PEOPLE THAT KNOW WHAT THEY'RE DOING WITH HISTORIC, UH, MATERIALS.
UM, AND ANYTHING AS FAR AS LIKE THE METAL PANELS, IF THERE'S A, UM, SOMETHING THAT'S RUSTED OR A HOLE IN SOMETHING, WE WANNA USE THE SAME MATERIALS THAT ARE ALREADY FROM THE OTHER BUILDINGS ON SITE.
SO ANYTHING WE CAN ON SITE IS WE WANNA PUT BACK.
UM, AND SO THEY WILL HELP IDENTIFY THE ITEMS LIKE THAT ARE SALABLE AND WHAT CAN BE USED AS FAR AS THE STRUCTURAL REPORT FROM CRANSTON ENGINEERING, THAT WAS DONE OVER A YEAR AGO.
SINCE THEN, WE HAVE MET WITH THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT WITH RICHARD SPRUCE AND HE'S GIVEN US A LIST OF ITEMS THAT THERE'S NO WAY WE CAN MAKE CODE COMPLIANT AS IT IS NOW.
SO THERE ARE THINGS LIKE, UM, THE WINDOWS, WEATHER RESISTANCE, I INSULATION, ELECTRICAL, THE, THE OVERBUILT ROOF.
UM, THERE AREN'T ANY TIE DOWNS FOR HURRICANE SAFETY THERE, THERE'S JUST A LOT OF THINGS THAT IN OUR CODES TODAY, IT DOES NOT MEET LIFE'S SAFETY.
AND SO WE WOULD NEVER BE ABLE TO GET A BUILDING PERMIT FOR THIS, FOR CHANGING THIS USE AS FAR AS LETTING IT BE A CULTURAL CENTER, UM, BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S NOT SAFE, UM, WITH THE CODES THAT WE HAVE TO ADHERE TO FOR LIFE SAFETY.
DO YOU HAVE THE REPORT ON THAT? UM, WE TALKED WITH RICHARD SPRUCE WITH THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT AND WE'VE TALKED WITH STAFF ABOUT IT, LIKE LENGTHY CONVERSATIONS.
SO, UM, BUT TO SAY THAT IT'S UNSAFE IS PRETTY OLD.
HE'S A CODE INSPECTOR AND THOSE WERE HIS WELL, RIGHT, THAT'S WHY I WAS ASKING FOR THE REPORT TO SEE IT.
I MEAN, WE COULD ASK HIM TO GIVE HIS OPINION, OPINION.
I WOULD SAY, AND I DON'T WANNA SPEAK FOR HIM, IF IT WAS UP TO CERTAIN PEOPLE, THEY WOULD SAY THAT IT WASN'T WORTH IT AT ALL.
AND WE DISAGREE AND WE WANNA SAVE AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.
SO REMEMBER GOING ON SITE THE TOWN WAS CONCERNED OR WAS GOING ON SITE BECAUSE OF THE SAFETY FEATURES AND SAFETY OF ENTERING THE BUILDING.
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WE PRETTY MUCH TOOK IT IN OUR OWN HANDS, I THINK WAS TOLD.UM, IF YOU NEED A REPORT FROM RICHARD BRUCE TALKING ABOUT ALL THE THINGS THAT MAKE CODE COMPLIANT, I MEAN I'M SURE THAT STAFF AND CAN REQUEST THAT.
UM, DOES STAFF WANT TO ADD ANY? NOTHING.
OKAY, SO I GUESS, UH, WE HAVE DISCUSSIONS AND IS THERE ANY DISCUSSIONS IN REGARDS TO THIS PROJECT AND RICHARDSON, UM, CLARIFY THE, THE, UM, FACT THAT WE'VE ALREADY DETERMINED THAT IT WAS OKAY TO MOVE IT.
I MEAN, IS THIS A MOOT POINT? IS THIS APPLICATION IS, I GUESS I THINK IS A SUPPLEMENTAL APPLICATION TO THE RELOCATION? SO THE UH, AND, AND I'M TRYING TO RECALL WHAT THE BEST I CAN OF WHAT THE ORIGINAL APPLICATION WAS, BUT IT HAD TO DO WITH THE DEMOLITION OF SOME NON-CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE RELOCATION OF THE DEER TONGUE BUILDING.
SO AT THAT POINT, THE HPC HAD DECIDED THAT IT WAS PERMISSIBLE TO RELOCATE TO THIS, THIS PORTION OF THE PROPERTY, WHICH IS, THAT'S REQUIRED BY THE UVA AND PRIOR TO ANY SORT OF RELOCATION, YOU HAVE TO GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS.
THIS APPLICATION IS FOR, UM, AS I, AS I UNDERSTAND IT, AND I WOULD HOPE THAT STAFF WILL SPEAK UP IF I AM INCORRECT, BUT THIS IS AS TO SOME OF THE STRUCTURAL IMPROVEMENTS THAT ARE BEING DONE ON THE PROPERTY WHEN IT GETS RELOCATED, BUT ALSO TO WHAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN IN ORDER TO RELOCATE THE BILLING ON RECONSTRUCTION OF IT.
SO ESSENTIALLY THE RECONSTRUCTION OF IT, AND THIS IS SIMILAR TO WHAT, UM, FROM WHAT I CAN GATHER THAT WAS DECIDED WITH THE JOINER HOUSE WHERE WE HAD A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT THE JOINER HOUSE OVER ON BRUIN.
AND OBVIOUSLY EVERY APPLICATION IS UNIQUE, EVERY PROPERTY IS UNIQUE.
WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE TRY TO KEEP THAT IN MIND.
BUT THERE ARE A BUNCH OF DIFFERENT THINGS THAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR AND WITH A, UM, YOU KNOW, UNDER THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION GUIDELINES AND, UH, SPRAY WAS CORRECT.
THIS IS BECAUSE AS TO THE ROLE OF THE GUIDELINES IN Y'ALL'S EVALUATION, UH, TO A CERTAIN EXTENT THEY ARE ADVISORY BECAUSE THEY HAVE, UM, BECAUSE THIS IS NOT, NOT GOING TO BE FEDERALLY FUNDED, BUT YOUR UDO EXPLICITLY INCORPORATES THEM, UM, AS YOU KNOW, ADVISORY MATERIALS AND KNOWING THERE'S A QUESTION TO KIND OF DEFER TO THOSE.
SO, UM, IF YOU WERE, AGAIN, IF YOU WERE MOVING THIS BUILDING ENTIRELY INTACT, I DON'T THINK YOU, I I THINK THEY'RE THERE.
THE, THE PROCESS HAS BEEN SET, BUT BECAUSE THIS IS GONNA HAVE TO BE PARTIALLY TAKEN APART AND THEN RECONSTRUCTED ON THE OTHER PART, ON THE OTHER PART, THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING OF WHY IT'S GOING THROUGH THOSE PROCESS.
WHERE IS THAT THOUGH? YEAH, BUT WHERE IS IT SAY THAT IT NEEDS TO BE TAKEN APART IN ORDER TO BE MOVED? CAUSE THE CRANSTON REPORT, DOESN DOESN'T LIKE SPECIFICALLY THAT A DIFFERENT I UNDERSTAND THAT.
AND THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING SINCE THAT REPORT AND WE'VE HAD BUILDING CODE, LIFE SAFETY GO OUT THERE.
WHERE IS THAT? LIKE, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING.
IF YOU NEED THAT, SOMETHING TO SAY THAT I'M SURE THAT STAFF TALK TO STAFF AND THIS.
WELL, THEN I'VE MOVED THAT WE TABLED THIS.
CAUSE I, I MEAN WE'VE BEEN OUT, WE'VE WALKED IT, WE, WE'VE TALKED WITH STAFF IN REGARDS TO, UM, WHAT WAS HAPPENING.
THEY SHOWED US HOW PORTIONS OF THE BUILDING WOULD BE LABELED AND TAKEN DOWN AND RECONSTRUCTED, UM, TO HOLD IT UP ANY FURTHER, I THINK.
AND IF I MAY, BECAUSE WE DO HAVE A MOTION THAT WAS MADE, UM, MR. CHAIRMAN, SO COMMISSIONER BE, DID MAKE THAT MOTION.
AND SO I, WELL, OUT OF THE, OUT OF AN ABUNDANCE OF CAUTION, I THINK IT'S FOREIGN THAT WE SEE IF THERE'S A SECOND AND SEE IF THERE'S A VOTE.
CAN I WITHDRAW THAT MOTION ACTUALLY WASN'T, YOU CAN WITHDRAW.
I WOULD LIKE TO WITHDRAW IT, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO, UM, MOVE THAT WE, UM, THIS BE DEEMED INAPPROPRIATE BECAUSE WE'VE ALREADY DETERMINED THAT THE BUILDING SHOULD BE MOVED.
AND I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO ALSO, I WOULD LIKE TO ADD, WHILE IT WAS STATED THAT THE ENGINEER REPORT SAID THAT IT, UM, THAT DIDN'T HAVE TO BE MOVED SINCE THEN, WE ALSO WERE FOLLOWING THE GUIDELINES OF STAFF WHO ALSO GAVE THE RECOMMENDATION THAT FOR IT TO BE MOVED, IF IT WAS CATALOGED AND DONE IN A WAY THAT WOULD ENSURE, UH, THE BUILDING WOULD REMAIN INTACT IN THE, UM, NEW LOCATION AS
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IS, AS CURRENT AESTHETICS, IS THAT THAT WAS APPROVED.SO WE'VE BEEN FOLLOWING STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS FROM, UH, THAT POINT OF THE ORIGINAL APPLICATION UP UNTIL NOW.
MR. CHAIRMAN, UM, THE COMMISSIONER BILL HAS MADE A, A BOX BELT, HAS MADE A MOTION THAT IS BEING DEEMED INAPPROPRIATE.
OBVIOUSLY, YOUR, YOUR MOTIONS ARE SOMEWHAT, I DIDN'T ASK THE MOTION YET, SO I MEAN, I'M JUST GOING THROUGH, THERE WAS JUST CONVERSATION ON THAT.
SO I, I GUESS HELP ME, WE DIDN'T HAVE A FORMAL MOTION MADE YET.
FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, UH, TECHNICALLY ANY COMMISSIONER CAN MAKE A MOTION AT ANY POINT, WHETHER IT BE FOR A MOTION OR RECESS, BUT IT HAS TO GET A SECOND.
THE OTHER ONE WAS WITHDRAWN AND IT WAS A MOTION TO RULE THIS AS, UM, FOR THE TABLE.
THE FIRST ONE WAS, THE FIRST ONE WAS THE TABLE THAT WAS WITHDRAWN, AND THE SECOND ONE WAS T DEEM THIS.
AND I CAN'T REMEMBER THE, THE TERM OR YEAH, THERE IS, IN OTHER WORDS.
SO SHE DIDN'T ACTUALLY MAKE A FORMAL MOTION.
SO WE HAVE TO HAVE A SECOND IN ORDER FOR IT TO PROCEED FOR IT, BECAUSE THIS IS A, THERE IS A PENDING MOTION ON THE FLOOR.
YOU NEED TO CONSIDER IT AND GIVE A SECOND AND SEE IF THERE'S A VOTE.
SO NECESSARILY, YOU DON'T HAVE TO HAVE A SECOND THOUGH, IF THERE, IF THERE'S NO SECOND, THE MOTION TO DIE.
UM, THE MOTION THAT WE MADE, JUST, IT WOULD EFFECTIVELY, AND I DON'T WANNA PUT WORDS IN COMMISSIONER BOX BELL'S MOUTH, BUT EFFECTIVELY IT WOULD BE A MOTION TO DENY BECAUSE OF THE APPLICATION BEING, UM, A DUPLICATE, A DUPLICATE TO WHAT WAS ORIGINAL IN OUR AND BASED ON HER OPINION.
BUT THAT IS, THAT'S FOR Y'ALL TO CONSIDER WHO'S MOTION.
SO BASED ON THE MINUTES FROM THE, FOR A SECOND, IS THERE ANY SECOND? IF THERE'S NO SECOND, THE MOTION DIES.
CAN WE PROCEED FORWARD? IS THAT CORRECT? SO NOW THE MOTION HAS, THE MOTION HAS FOR LACK OF A SECOND.
WE'LL PUT THAT ON THE RECORD AND THEN, UM, AND THEN Y'ALL CAN CONTINUE TO PROCEED FORWARD, DISCUSS, DISCUSS WITH THE APPLICANT, DISCUSS PUBLIC COMMENT, ASK ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU'D LIKE, AND WE'RE HERE TO TRY TO HELP Y'ALL GET TO WHATEVER SOLUTION YOU WANT.
HELP ME UNDERSTAND THIS IS, I THINK THAT PREVIOUS, WHEN WAS IT? UH, TWO MEETINGS AGO IS WHEN WE APPROVED, UM, THREE MEETINGS AGO AND THAT, RIGHT.
BUT WE HAVE APPROVED, WHAT WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT TODAY IS A, A NEW BUILD, A RECONSTRUCTION OF THE BUILDING AND NOT DEMOLITION.
THE DEMOLITION THAT WAS APPROVED ALREADY.
NOT DEMOLITION RECONSTRUCTION.
NO, THE RECONSTRUCTION HAS NOT BEEN APPROVED.
WELL, I THOUGHT WE HAD NO, NO.
THE, THE RECONSTRUCTION CONCEPT, IN OTHER WORDS, WE DID DISGUSTED.
WE, IT WAS, IF WE LOOK AT THE MINUTES, THE MINUTES, WE'RE ALLOWING WHAT WE HAVE TODAY.
THAT'S FOR THE CASE OF JOINER HOUSE.
NOT FOR, BUT NOT, THIS IS A, THIS IS A DIFFERENT SET OF CIRCUMSTANCES.
SO HERE YOU'VE, YOU'VE APPROVED IN FEBRUARY TO MOVE TO RELOCATE OR MOVE THE STRUCTURE NOW.
REMOVE THE NON MOVING IT MM-HMM.
AND I BELIEVE WE, WE TALKED ABOUT RECONSTRUCTION.
NO, I BELIEVE WE DID REMOVE BECAUSE WAS A, I THOUGHT NOT IN THIS CASE.
THE ONLY TIME WE DID WAS ON, FROM MY RECOLLECTION, WAS ON, WE MET ON SITE, WHICH WASN'T A HPC UH, MEETING, BUT NOT AT THAT FEBRUARY.
NOT FOR, NOT FOR, NOT FOR THIS STRUCTURE.
I REMEMBER HAVING NUMEROUS DISCUSSION ON RECONSTRUCTION, MAYBE HVR? NO, WE DID ON SITE.
NO, I THOUGHT THAT WAS THE DISCUSSION WE HAD AT H HPC.
WE DID DISCUSS IT AT H PRC, BUT I REMEMBER H RECONSTRUCTION BEING UTILIZED OVER AND OVER AGAIN BECAUSE I THINK I WAS QUESTIONING YOU ON THE TERMINOLOGY, BUT NOT IN YOU AND NOT, NOT IN THIS, NOT FOR THIS, THIS APPLICATION.
NO, I THINK THAT WAS WITH THE JOINER HOUSE, UM, WITH, AND COMMISSIONER SIMPSON SPOKE OF ABOUT THE DIFFERENCE IS IN, YOU KNOW, RECONSTRUCTION AND, UH, YEAH, I THINK THAT WAS WITH MR. MARK'S APPLICATION ON THE JOINER HOUSE ON BREWING ROAD.
YOU, KATIE, DO YOU HAVE ACCESS? DOES SOMEONE HAVE ACCESS TO THE MINUTES? JUST CURIOUS.
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FOR WHICH, WHICH MEETING ARE YOU FOR? I GUESS IT WAS FEBRUARY, YOU SAID.WHEN WAS THE, WHEN DID WE HAVE THAT MEETING? FOR WHICH ONE? WHEN YOU PRESENTED, UM, THE LENGTHY DISCUSSION THAT WE HAD REGARDS TO THIS.
UM, AND I'M, I, I DON'T KNOW IF I'M GETTING CONFUSED OR, BUT I JUST FEEL THAT THERE WAS DISCUSSIONS IN REGARDS TO RECONSTRUCTION.
AND I MAY BE CONFUSED WITH, JUST FOR MY CLARIFICATION, RECONSTRUCTION FOR WHICH PARTICULAR PROPERTY THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT, WE DID NOT DISCUSS FOR THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY RECONSTRUCTION USE BETTER.
SO, MR. CHAIRMAN, I HAVE MINUTES FOR THAT FEBRUARY MEETING PULLED UP.
UM, HERE IS, AND I'M SORRY, THERE'S THE MINUTES REQUEST AND, UM, WE, WE NEED TO HAVE, WE NEED TO NOT HAVE DISCUSSIONS IN THE THANK YOU.
SO THE MINUTES FROM THE FEBRUARY, THESE ARE THE IMPROVEMENTS FROM THE FEBRUARY 2ND, 2022 MEETING OF MR. RESERVATION COMMISSION.
A REQUEST BY WHI JONES KEY FROM BEHALF THE OWNER BILLY LAWSON, FOR APPROVAL OF A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, COFA DEMOLITION TO ALLOW THE DEMOLITION FOUR NON-CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES OF APPROXIMATELY 515 SQUARE FEET.
FIVE HUNDRED AND TWENTY FIVE, FIVE HUNDRED AND TWENTY FIVE SQUARE FEET, 7 75 SQUARE FEET, NINE 1000 HUNDRED AND 80 SQUARE FEET.
AND THE PARTIAL DEMOLITION AND RELOCATION AND THE CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE IDENTIFIED AS DETTON WAREHOUSE DEMOLITION OF APPROXIMATELY 2045 SQUARE FEET WITH RELOCATION OF THE REMAINING 1,585 SQUARE FEET.
THERE WAS DISCUSSION ABOUT THE NON CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES IN THE APPLICANT MAINTAINING THE EXISTING TREES.
COMMISSIONER SOLOMON MADE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE DEMOLITION THAT BY THE STRUCTURES C D E IN THE APPLICANTS NARRATIVE, AND TO APPROVE THE PARTIAL DEMOLITION AND RELOCATION OF THE CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE KNOWN AS THE DEER TONE WAREHOUSE WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS THAT THE STRUCTURE BE ORIENTED, PARALLEL MADE OF THE ROAD AND THE STRUCTURE BE DECIDED 10 FEET FROM THE WESTERN SIDE OF THE PROPERTY LINE.
THAT'S THE EXTENT OF OUR FEBRUARY MINUTES.
AND FOR MY RECOLLECTION, THAT PARTIAL DEMOLITION WAS FOR THAT NON-CONTRIBUTING PORTION OF IT.
THE, THE NORTHERN KITCHEN PIECE.
SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, UM, THIS IS ACTUALLY THE VOTE TO DO THE RECONSTRUCTION OF YOUR TONGUE.
SO WITH THAT DISCUSSION IS, I GUESS WE'RE STILL NEEDING A MOTION MADE OF THE ITEMS THAT WERE LISTED.
UM, IF THAT'S WHAT WE WANT TO DO, HAVE A MOTION MADE WITH THE LITEM ITEMS LISTED AS YOU, UH, WERE GOING TO PRESENT TO US, UH, IN OUR DISCUSSION THAT WE HAD.
WELL, AND I THINK ONE THING THAT MAY, THAT MAY HELP, AND I, BECAUSE IT DOES SEEM TO BE A LITTLE BIT OF CONFUSION, AND MAYBE THAT'S JUST ME, THAT'S CONFUSED.
BUT IF THAT THAT'S THE CASE, THEN I'LL DO MY BEST TO TRY TO GET THROUGH IT.
BUT, UH, WHAT ARE, WHAT ARE THE, I I UNDERSTAND WE HAVE STAFF HAS RECOMMENDED, UH, APPROVAL WITH CONDITIONS, AND THAT'S LISTED NINE CONDITIONS, ONE OF WHICH NO LONGER APPLIES.
UH, THE APPLICANT HAS AGREED TO ALL THOSE CONDITIONS, SAY FOR REQUESTS THAT YOU DEVIATE TO PERMIT THE ALUMINUM CODED, UH, THE ALUMINUM.
I WAS GETTING A LITTLE CONFUSED HERE.
SO, UM, WE HAVE THAT FROM THE APPLICANT AND STAFF, BUT WE ALSO HAVE, UH, COMMENTS FOR THE PUBLIC ABOUT THE CONCERN OF THE PROCESS.
AND WHETHER I, AND AGAIN, I'M JUST TRYING TO THINK, FLESH THIS OUT, UM, WHETHER THIS CONSTITUTES A ESSENTIALLY A SECOND, A SECOND BITE AT TRYING TO GET THE PRO, BUT THE BUILDING DEMOLISHED IS TO PARAPHRASE, I BELIEVE MR. BOX AND, UH, MS. HAYWARD.
UH, SO IF I CAN HE BOLD TO ASK THE COMMISSION WHAT, WHAT EXACTLY WHAT ARE Y'ALL THINKING? TO OPEN IT UP FOR DISCUSSION, FOR Y'ALL TO TALK BETWEEN YOURSELVES SO I CAN GET A BETTER IDEA OF WHAT SORT OF MOTION YOU'RE LOOKING FOR.
I GUESS I'M LOOKING AT THIS AFTER BEING INVOLVED IN NUMEROUS MEETINGS, BEING INVOLVED IN SITE VISIT, BEING INVOLVED IN THE
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VARIOUS PROCESS TO DO, AND BEING INVOLVED WITH GLEN AND TALKING WITH HIM AND UNDERSTANDING IT.I, I'M LOOKING AT THIS AS A RECONSTRUCTION.
I BELIEVE RECONSTRUCTION IS ALLOWED, AND THAT'S WHAT, IN MY OPINION, THIS IS WHAT WE'RE DOING.
UH, I FEEL THAT AMANDA, UH, YOU'RE VERIFYING THE FACT THAT IT'S GOING TO BE RECONSTRUCTED AND IT'S GOING TO LOOK, THE EXTERIOR'S GOING TO LOOK THE WINDOWS, THE DOORS, THE, THE, UH, UH, YOU'RE GOING ALL THE WAY TO THE EXTENT OF MAKING SURE THAT THE PORCH IS DONE IN THE MANNER THAT, UH, WAS DONE.
SO IT'S, SO EVERYTHING IS BEING DONE.
SO IF, UH, 99% OF PUBLIC WERE TO WALK BY THIS STRUCTURE, AFTER IT'S CONSTRUCTION, IT'S GOING TO LOOK, IT'S PHYSICALLY LIKE THE SAME DEER TONGUE FACILITY THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT TODAY.
SO THEREFORE, MY BELIEF IS THAT WE'RE DOING SOMETHING FOR THE TOWN, BECAUSE THERE IS, I GUESS, AN ADDITIONAL COST AND UNDERSTANDING THAT CODES, KNOWING ABOUT CODES, YOU KNOW, MY GOODNESS, IF YOU WERE TO BUILD THIS PLACE AND GOING INTO THIS STRUCTURE TODAY, IT'S, AS I SAID, WHEN WE WENT THERE FOR OUR SITE VISIT, I THINK BRIDGET, YOU WERE THERE.
UH, WE WERE TOLD THAT WE COULDN'T GO IN AND WE FINALLY PERSUADED THE FOLKS TO ALLOW US IN TO JUST GO AND, AND LOOK AT IT BECAUSE OF THE SAFETY PURPOSES.
SO I GUESS I'M SAYING THAT THAT'S, THIS IS A REASON WE WEREN'T ALLOWED TO ACCESS IT, EXCUSE ME, WEREN'T ALLOWED.
AND INSIDE THE BUILDING, AT FIRST WE WERE NOT.
BUT THEN WE WERE, AFTER WE KIND OF AGREED TO TAKE OUR OWN, AT OUR OWN, AT OUR OWN SAFETY, DID YOU SEE ANY RISK? I'M JUST CURIOUS.
AND YOU WERE THERE TOO, CORRECT? YEAH.
SO THEREFORE, OH, NO, I WAS, I DIDN'T GO IN THOUGH.
YEAH, WELL, I, I THINK WE KIND OF DISCUSSED IT AND I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT I PEEKED MY HEAD IN THE DOOR JUST TO SEE WHAT WAS GOING ON.
SO, UM, MY BELIEF IS WHAT'S BEING PRESENTED, UM, IS WHAT, UH, HPC, UH, IS BEAUTIFUL TRYING TO DO.
I MEAN, I'M LOOKING FOR COMPLETE, COMPLETE AGREEANCE THAT'S IN THE RECONSTRUCTION OF THE BUILDING WILL BE A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE TO THE TOWN, RIGHT? AND 99% OF PUBLIC WILL NEVER KNOW THE DIFFERENCE.
REPLICA IMPLICATING A BUILDING IS NOT THE SAME AS PRESERVING A BUILDING AND PRESERVING THE, THE STRUCTURE OF IT.
I MEAN, IT'S JUST NOT, AND THERE'S NO, BUT THERE'S NO REASON WHY.
I MEAN, YOU SAY THAT YOU HAVE STAFF THAT SAID IT WAS, UM, NOT UP TO CODE.
WELL, I, I SHOULDN'T ASK THIS QUESTION, BUT ARE ANY HISTORIC BUILDINGS A HUNDRED PERCENT UP TO CODE WITH, AND THIS IS WHERE, BUT ALSO, BUT LET ME JUST FINISH BECAUSE I DON'T, WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING FROM THE STAFF THAT SAYS THAT THERE'S ANY ISSUE WITH THE, WITH THE SAFETY OR THE, NOT EVEN THE SAFETY, BUT THE ABILITY TO KEEP IT INTACT AND MOVE IT.
WE JUST HAVE THE REPORT THAT WAS DONE NINE MONTHS AGO.
SO THERE IS A LARGE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL CODE.
AND, UM, THERE ARE CERTAIN DEVIATIONS YOU CAN DO IN COMMERCIAL, AND RICHARD WORKS WITH US TO FIGURE THOSE THINGS OUT.
BUT THERE ARE SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE.
AND SO IT, I DON'T, AND HOW WOULD YOU NORMALLY ADDRESS THAT THEN WITH WHEN YOU'RE, AND THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE NEED TO BRING UP WHEN WE HAVE OUR UDO WORKSHOP ONE DAY, UM, HOW THE CODE AND THE UDO INTERACT BECAUSE THEY DON'T, THERE'S A LOT OF CONFLICTING THINGS, AND IT MAKES IT HARD FOR US TO DO THINGS.
YOU GUYS MIGHT APPROVE SOMETHING, BUT THEN WE GO TO BUILDING CODE AND THEY TELL US NO, AND THEN WE HAVE TO GO BACK TO YOU AND THEN YOU TELL US NO, BECAUSE THAT'S NOT WHAT THIS SAYS.
SO WE'RE IN ONE OF THOSE SITUATIONS.
SO THE REASON YOU'RE MOVING THE BUILDING INSTEAD, I MEAN, YOU'RE DECONSTRUCTING AND RECONSTRUCTING, WHY IS THAT? WHY DON'T YOU JUST MOVE IT? BECAUSE AT THE END OF THE DAY, ALL OF IT HAS TO BE REDONE ON THE INSIDE.
LIKE WHERE IS ANY? YOU'RE MOVING A, YOU'RE MOVING A, A, A SHELL.
YOU'RE MOVING A SHELL THAT IS COMPLETELY DILAPIDATED AND FUCKING ABSOLUTELY NOT.
IT IS ABSOLUTELY NOT DILAPIDATED.
WHERE'S SOMETHING THAT SAYS THAT IT'S DILAPIDATED? SO, I MEAN, EITHER WAY, NO, BUT IT'S NOT THE JOIN OUR HOUSE.
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ONE INTO THE OTHER.THIS IS NOT ABSOLUTELY NOT DILAPIDATED.
SO THERE'S NOTHING THAT EVEN HINTS AT THAT.
IF WE WERE ABLE, IF WE WERE ABLE TO MOVE IT OVER SOLELY, WE COULD NOT OCCUPY THE BUILDING.
WE WOULD HAVE TO BRING IT UP TO VIRTUAL CODE, WHICH MEANS WE WOULD HAVE TO INSULATE THE BUILDING.
WE WOULD HAVE TO, TO ADD WALLS TO DO THAT.
WE WOULD, I MEAN, WE'D HAVE TO DO NEW, THERE'S WINDOWS, THERE'S ENERGY CODE, THERE'S EGRESS THAT THE DOORS, THEY DON'T MEET.
YOU'RE PLANNING ON REPLACING ALL THE WINDOWS AND STUFF.
ANYWAY, THE EXACT SAME SIZE, BUT THE ACTUAL WINDOW.
RIGHT? SO I'M, I'M JUST SAYING THERE'S A LOT OF FACTORS IN CODE THAT ARE NOT JUST MOVE A BUILDING AND IT'S FINE.
IT'S, YOU GOTTA THINK OF HOW IT'S BUILT AND THEN HURRICANE STRAPPING AND ALL OF THOSE THINGS THAT GO INTO KEEPING THE LONGEVITY OF THE BUILDING.
FACT, I'D BE CURIOUS AS TO WHAT GLEN SAYS ABOUT IT BEING THIS IS THE PRESERVATION.
I HAVE A CONCERN IN REGARDS TO OTHER BUILDINGS THAT WE DO HAVE IN THE TOWN THAT TO ME, THIS IS SETTING A DECENT PRECEDENT BECAUSE YOU'RE ABLE TO POINT TO THIS AND SAY, THIS IS HOW IT NEEDS TO BE DONE.
THERE'S A NUMBER OF, AS JONI SAID, THERE ARE SOME CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES IN THE HOW IN, IN OUR TOWN THAT MY CONCERN IS IF WE MAKE IT SO DIFFICULT THAT THEY'RE ALL JUST GONNA MELT AND JUST IT'S GONNA BE GONE.
BUT THERE'S NOTHING THAT'S GONNA BE GONE ANYWAY INFESTED AND JUST BE GONE AND NEVER BE RIGHT.
BUT BROUGHT BACK, JUST TO GET TO MARY'S, MARY'S QUESTION.
SO TYPICALLY WHEN YOU HAVE A HISTORIC STRUCTURE, IF YOU DON'T TOUCH IT, YOU DON'T HAVE TO FIX IT.
SO IF YOU MOVE THE STRUCTURE AND THE WINDOWS ARE THERE, BUILDING CODE'S NOT GONNA MAKE YOU CHANGE THE WINDOWS.
BUT IF YOU START DOING WORK AT THE WINDOWS, THEN BUILDING CODES ARE STARTING TO, YOU KNOW, START TAKING THOSE ITEMS. MM-HMM.
UM, SO ONCE YOU, ONCE YOU BRING AN INSPECTOR IN TO DO ANYTHING, IN ANY STRUCTURE, ALL OF A SUDDEN YOU GOT A NOT ADA, YOU GOT NOT NE WELL, ADA IS A DIFFERENT KETTLE EFFICIENT ENTIRELY.
SO, YOU KNOW, JUST GENERALLY SPEAKING, WITH THE HISTORIC STRUCTURE, IT'S OKAY AS LONG AS YOU DON'T TOUCH IT.
ONCE YOU START TOUCHING THINGS, WHICH YOU'RE GONNA REPLACE THE WINDOWS ANYWAY, SO AS, RIGHT.
SO THEN THAT BECOMES, YOU KNOW, A MAIN POINT.
NOW YOU HAVE TO BRING IT UP TO CODE, BRING IT UP TO CODE, LIKE, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER THE, WHATEVER RICHARD SAYS IS THE, THE CURRENT WINDOW CODE.
NOW WITH THE HISTORIC STRUCTURE, THERE ARE SOME, SOME LENIENCY ON, YOU KNOW, BUILDING CODE.
THEY WILL, THEY WILL ALLOW YOU TO DO THINGS THAT IF IT'S NEW CONSTRUCTION, THEY DON'T WANT YOU TO BE, THEY WON'T LET YOU DO BECAUSE IT'S A HISTORIC BUILDING.
UM, BUT THAT'S, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, RICHARD WOULD HAVE TO LOOK, IS IT, YOU KNOW, A WINDOW ISSUE? IS IT A DOOR ISSUE? IS IT AN ADA ISSUE? I JUST, AND I WOULD LIKE TO JUST SEE ANY, ANYTHING THAT SAYS THAT THE BUILDING IS DILAPIDATED, UNSOUND, UM, NOT ABLE TO BE ANYTHING, JUST ANYTHING.
I DON'T SEE ANYTHING I WOULD SAY PRIOR, UM, PRIOR TO THIS, UH, COMMISSIONER BELL, WHEN WAS THE BUILDING OCCUPIED OR USED IN A COMMERCIAL MANNER? I MEAN, IT WAS SEVERAL YEARS AGO, BUT, BUT THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE CONDITION.
WELL, IN, IN BETWEEN THAT TIME YOU DO HAVE, WHETHER IT'S WEATHERING CONDITIONS, WHETHER IT'S JUST WEAR AND TEAR CONDITIONS, SHOW, SHOW ME WHERE THAT'S DONE.
SHOW ME WHERE, UH, ANYBODY WITH ANY CREDIBILITY IN THAT AREA.
I WAS JUST OFF, I WAS OFFERING AT CONJECTURE, BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF QUESTION INTO WHAT WE ARE SAYING, AND WE'VE PUT A LOT OF THOUGHT, A LOT OF CARE, LIKE WE DIDN'T JUST COME UP AND, AND MAKE THINGS UP.
IT'S ALSO, UM, YOU KNOW, CONSIDERATION SHOULD BE GIVEN TO APPLICANTS BECAUSE TO UNDERGO A PROJECT IN THIS MANNER DOES REQUIRE, UH, TIME CARE ATTENTION WHEN THE RIGHT PERSON GETS IT AND MONEY.
AND SO TO JUST GET THE BUILDING AND SAY, WELL, WE'LL GET IT, MOVE IT TO THE BACK OF THE PROPERTY, NOT TOUCH IT, THAT'S NOT REALLY THE TYPE OF CONCERN OR CARE THAT HISTORIC STRUCTURE SHOULD GET.
AND THAT IS WHAT THAT BUILDING HAS HAD SITTING FOR THE LAST FEW YEARS.
SO IN WHAT WE'RE ASKING TO DO IS WHAT HAS BEEN ALLOWED, WHAT IS ALLOWED, NOT ONLY BY THE SECRETARY OF INTERIOR DESIGNS, UH, STANDARDS, BUT ALSO PER STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION.
AND SO IF ANYTHING THAT'S BEING QUESTIONED OR THAT IS, UM, YOU HAVE DOUBTS ABOUT, OR CERTAINLY THINGS THAT COULD BE VERIFIED WITH THE BUILDING CODE INSPECTOR, CUZ WE'RE CERTAINLY NOT LYING AND SAYING, PROVIDING INFORMATION THAT HE DID NOT GIVE TO US IS INFORMATION THAT HE HIMSELF WALKED THROUGH AND STATED.
SO IF THERE'S ANYTHING IN QUESTION THERE, I'M SURE YOU COULD RECEIVE THAT INFORMATION, IF THAT WOULD GIVE YOU A BETTER
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RESPONSE AS TO WHAT WE'RE SAYING.UM, BECAUSE O OBVIOUSLY THERE ARE PASSION OPINIONS ON ALL SIDES OF THIS, THIS PARTICULAR, UH, PROPOSAL.
AND WHEN YOU HAVE A HISTORIC STRUCTURE THAT HAS BEEN SUCH A IMPORTANT PART OF THE TOWN FOR AS LONG AS IT PASSED, THAT'S NOT, THAT SHOULDN'T BE SURPRISING.
MOST OF OUR HISTORIC STRUCTURES IN BLUFF AND I THINK ELICIT STRONG RESPONSES FROM THE COMMUNITY AND THE COMMISSION AND STAFF.
SO AGAIN, WE, WE HAVE SEEN THIS IN MULTIPLE MEETINGS BEFORE.
UH, BUT WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO, JUST AGAIN, TO BE MINDFUL OF EVERYBODY WHO'S HERE AND THEIR TIME AND THE PEOPLE WHO ARE WATCHING, AND ALSO OBVIOUSLY THE COMMISSIONERS, BUT MAKING SURE THAT WE PAY APPROPRIATE, UH, ATTENTION TO THIS APPLICATION IS KIND OF SUMMARIZE WHAT I'VE HEARD SO FAR.
SO THAT THAT CAN WITH HOPE, MOVE Y'ALL IN THE DIRECTION OF WHICHEVER DECISION YOU YOU WANT TO GO.
AND AGAIN, I I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THESE, IT'S VERY CLEAR THAT THESE OPINIONS, I'M TRYING TO SUMMARIZE WITH Y'ALLS, THESE, NOT MINE, BUT FROM WHAT I'VE HEARD FROM MR. CHAIRMAN THAT I SUMMARIZE, THIS IS A RECONSTRUCTION.
WE'VE PERMITTED IT IN THE TOWN BEFORE.
WE HAVE, UM, YOU HAVE PERSONALLY VISITED THE PROPERTY.
YOU FELT THAT IT WAS STRUCTURALLY UNSAFE TO GO INTO, YOU HEARD FROM THE BUILDING INSPECTOR THAT THERE WERE INSPECTIONS THAT NEEDED TO BE DONE AND THAT THERE WERE HEALTH OR HEALTH AND SAFETY CONCERNS.
AND THAT YOU BELIEVE THAT RECONSTRUCTION TO MOVE THIS TO, UH, TO RE TAKE THIS PART, TO MOVE IT TO THE OTHER LOCATION IS ACCEPTABLE UNDER OUR UDO, UH, MS. FRAZIER.
I, YOU HAVE UNDERSTAND THAT YOU HAVE AGREED, UH, AND IF WE CAN, BECAUSE THIS IS AN IMPORTANT APPLICATION, IF WE MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY SPEAKS INTO THE MICROPHONE, UH, WHEN THEY TALK, JUST SO WE HAVE IT FOR THE RECORD, BUT MS. FRAZIER HAS AGREED AS WELL, UH, MS BOX BELL THAT REPLICATION IS NOT THE SAME AS PRESERVATION.
THAT THE GOAL IS PRESERVATION UNDER OUR UDO.
UH, AND THAT THERE IS NOT SUBSTANTIAL ENOUGH EVIDENCE IN THE APPLICATION TO JUSTIFY THE DEVIATIONS FROM WHAT WE TYPICALLY WOULD REQUIRE.
UM, AND, AND THAT'S A LITTLE BIT WHERE IT'S COMING DOWN TO, AT LEAST IN MY OPINION, IS WHETHER THERE IS SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE IN HERE OR SUFFICIENT EVIDENCE, IT DOESN'T, IT'S REALLY UP TO Y'ALL TO MAKE THE DETERMINATION AS TO WHETHER THE EVIDENCE IS THERE TO PERMIT THIS RELOCATION BASED ON THESE TERMS. MR. SOLOMON, I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT YOU'RE THINKING.
UM, I MEAN,
I MEAN, IT WAS, IT IS JUST, I MEAN, IT IS A LOT OF, UH, WITH THIS ENTIRE SITE PLAN OVER 200 PAGES, UM, OF NOT JUST THIS PROJECT.
AND I MEAN, THAT WAS, UM, I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW WITHOUT, I'M NOT, I THINK THAT IT, UM, THIS COULD BE APPROPRIATE, BUT I DON'T, UM, I DO THINK I NEED A LITTLE MORE INFORMATION AND I'M NOT, I THINK THAT, THAT I COMPLETELY TRUST, UM, THE APPLICANT THAT, UM, THEY, I MEAN THAT EVERYTHING THAT THEY'RE SAYING IS TRUE.
I JUST GOING ON, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT I, WHAT WAS SUBMITTED, I, I JUST NEED, I NEED TO FEEL A LITTLE MORE COMFORTABLE, UM, BEFORE I COULD.
UM, AND AS, BECAUSE WE ASK THIS WITH MOST OF OUR APPLICATIONS, WHENEVER THERE'S A LEVEL OF DISCOMFORT FROM THE COMMISSION, UM, WE ALWAYS ASK, IS THIS SOMETHING THAT YOU, IS THE LEVEL OF DISCOMFORT SO HIGH THAT YOU THINK IT NEEDS TO COME BACK BEFORE YOU, OR IS IT SOMETHING THAT WOULD NEED TO, THAT YOU WOULD FEEL COMFORTABLE DELEGATING? UM, OR, OR JUST MAKING SURE THAT THE UDA IS ADEQUATE INFORMATION REGARDING THIS? I THINK I WOULD NEED A LITTLE BIT MORE INFORMATION CUZ I, I MEAN, I THINK, UH, IF IT WENT BACK TO STAFF, I THINK IT WOULD, THAT IS ESSENTIALLY AN APPROVAL AND NOT SAYING, UM, THAT'S, THAT IS, I'M NOT SAYING THAT THAT IS NOT APPROPRIATE.
I'M JUST SAYING I DON'T, UH, I WOULD LIKE A, I MEAN, ONE THING THAT WOULD MAKE ME FEEL A LITTLE MORE COMFORTABLE WOULD BE A THIRD PARTY, UM, STRUCTURAL REVIEW OR, UM, OR EVEN THE, UM, THE BUILDING OFFICIAL AT THIS MEETING EVEN ON, UM, FOR, YOU KNOW, THE, WHAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN FOR IT TO BE A COMMERCIAL STRUCTURE AND, YOU KNOW, THE THINGS THAT ARE, UM, JUST JUST
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SO I CAN SEE THE, COULD THIS BE THEN, WITH THAT BEING SAID, COULD THIS BE TABLED, UM, AS THE CORRECT TERMINOLOGY AND THEN REQUESTING AS YOU STATE THE BUILDING, UH, INSPECTOR DEPARTMENT TO COME IN AND GIVE US HIS ANALYSIS? I MEAN, IS IS THE BUILDING, LET ME ASK A QUESTION TO ALL HERE.I MEAN, BUILDING INSPECTOR, YOU KNOW, THESE GUYS, SO, OR BUT WEREN'T THEY THERE WHEN WE WALKED THE PROPERTY AND ALL OF THESE THINGS WERE DISCUSSED WHEN I WALKED THE PROPERTY? THAT WAS, WE ALL WALKED IT TOGETHER THE SAME TIME, RIGHT? WE DIDN'T ALL WALK IT FOR NO, WE, WE WALKED IT.
SO WE HAD TO WALK IT INS IN, IN SEGMENTS.
SO I BELIEVE YOU AND I WALKED IT TOGETHER AND HE WAS THERE AS WELL.
SO THERE WERE, AS LONG AS WE DIDN'T HAVE FOUR, WE WERE FINE.
SO WE WALKED IT TOGETHER AND I, AND, AND RICHARD WAS NOT PART OF THAT WALKTHROUGH.
I'M SORRY, RICHARD WAS NOT PART OF THAT WALKTHROUGH.
BUT I'M NOT AN EXPERT, BUT I JUST KNOW CONSTRUCTION, AND I'VE BEEN IN CONSTRUCTION PRETTY MUCH ALL MY CAREER DEVELOPED.
I'VE, UH, BEEN IN COMMERCIAL CONSTRUCTION AND UNDERSTANDING THAT.
SO I'M NOT, I'M NOT STATING AS AN EXPERT AT ALL UNDER STATING AS WHAT BRUCE TRIMMER SENSED AND SAW AND UNDERSTOOD THAT THERE'S A POSSIBILITY OF THIS JUST MELTING TO THE GROUND AND I SEE OTHER STRUCTURES WITHIN BLUFF THEN THAT WILL END UP MELTING TO THE GROUND.
AND THIS TO ME WAS A VERY GOOD PROPOSAL FOR RECONSTRUCTION.
AGAIN, I'M STATING IT, I'M GONNA STATE IT OVER AND OVER AGAIN THAT 99% OF THE PUBLIC IS GOING TO LOOK AT THIS BUILDING ONCE IT'S COMPLETED AND SAY, WOW, THAT IS REALLY AN OLD STRUCTURE AND IT LOOKS GREAT.
THERE MAY BE THE 1% LOOKS FOR THE COMPLETE NUANCES OF SOME DETAIL, BUT I BELIEVE THAT WHO'S THE NAME OF THIS COMPANY THAT YOU'RE GETTING FROM SAVANNAH TO THE PURPOSE? SAVANNAH.
SO THEY'VE GOT A GREAT WEBSITE AND THEIR, DO THEY HAVE A GOOD REPUTATION? THEY, THEY'RE LOCAL SPECIALISTS IN, UM, DECONSTRUCTION.
SO THERE IS A GOOD THIRD PARTY BEING UTILIZED.
SO IT'S NOT JUST SOME WILLY NILLY GUY COMING IN.
AND SO I GUESS I'M, I I DON'T KNOW.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'RE GONNA ACCOMPLISH BECAUSE I, I BELIEVE WHAT THE PEOPLE ARE SAYING, AND I GUESS WE'RE JUST NOT BELIEVERS OF WHAT THE PEOPLE ARE SAYING HERE.
NO, THAT'S NOT, THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY, THAT'S NOT TRUE.
I MEAN, I DON'T, I'M NOT DISCOUNTING OR I'M NOT SAYING THAT, THAT WHAT THEY'RE SAYING ISN'T TRUE.
I'M JUST SAYING WHAT WE HAVE FROM THE REPORT SAYS THAT IT'S FINE TO MOVE, IT'S STABLE, IT'S ALL THAT, AND THEN IT'S LIKE A BRUSH OF, OH NO, BUT IT'S DILAPIDATED.
IT'S, UM, NOT SAFE TO WALK IN.
AND, BUT THAT'S JUST LIKE YOUR OPINION ON IT.
I MEAN THAT'S JUST FROM, AND IT JUST, THAT HOLDS NO WAIT FOR WHEN YOU, WHEN WE HAVE SOMETHING THAT DIRECTLY CONTRADICTS THAT.
COULD I GET, I JUST WANTED TO, UM, ADDRESS COMMISSIONER.
SO IF, UM, AT ALL POSSIBLE I HEAR YOUR CONCERNS, I WOULD LIKE FOR YOU TO, UM, ALSO CONSIDER WE COULD DEFINITELY PROVIDE THAT INFORMATION, UH, TO YOU.
UM, I WOULD HATE TO SEE US HAVING TO GO TO ANOTHER, UH, REVIEW ON THIS.
CAUSE I DO KNOW OUR ORIGINAL MEETING WAS SET FOR SEPTEMBER AND WE GOT PUSHED BACK AGAIN.
AND WE'VE DONE EVERYTHING THAT'S BEEN ASKED OF US TO HAVE TO GO AND DO ANOTHER STRUCTURAL ENGINEERING REPORT.
OUR FEAR IS JUST THAT EVERY TIME WE COME TO A MEETING, IF SOMEONE'S OPINION OR PERSONAL CONNECTION GETS INVOLVED WITH THIS, WE'RE GONNA CONTINUE TO BE MOVING THE GOAL POSTS.
AND I DON'T THINK AS FOR US AS THE APPLICANT, THAT'S, UM, FAIR TO US BECAUSE WE WANNA COMPLY AND ABIDE BY EVERYTHING THAT THE UDO IS STIPULATING THAT WE CAN DO.
AND WE ARE, UM, FOLLOWING THAT EVERY STEP OF THE WAY, UM, NOT GOING AGAINST ANYTHING.
AND I JUST DON'T WANNA SEE US, UM, AS STATED, LIKE HAVE TO BE LABOR IN SOMETHING THAT'S GONNA CONTINUE TO BE A MOVING TARGET.
I DON'T THINK IT'S, UM, I DON'T THINK IT'S FAIR TO US AND IN DOING THAT, BUT I DO UNDERSTAND THAT YOU HAVE, UM, CONCERNS.
BUT THOSE ARE THINGS THAT WE COULD, UM, GET TO YOU ALL IF THERE'S SOME TYPE OF, UH, APPROVAL WITH CONDITIONS THAT COULD HAPPEN.
UM, BUT I DON'T SEE A, I DON'T SEE A PROBLEM IN GETTING YOU THE INFORMATION THAT WOULD MAKE YOU FEEL, UM, MORE COMFORTABLE.
AND THEN FURTHERANCE OF THAT, IF IT'S RATHER THAN MAYBE A, YOU KNOW, STAFF
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DISCRETION LIKE WE WOULD OFTEN DO JUST TO DEFER THAT TO STAFF, UH, BE, YOU KNOW, IT'S CONDITIONED UPON A, YOU KNOW, A THIRD PARTY REPORT THAT HAS BEEN WHATEVER, YOU KNOW, MR. SOLOMON, THAT YOU HAVE REQUESTED BEFORE, WHETHER THAT COULD BE ONE OF THE CONDITIONS THAT'S INCORPORATED INTO THE, UM, INTO AN APPROVAL.BUT AGAIN, ULTIMATELY YOU HAVE A CRITERIA UNDER THE UDO TO CONSIDER, UH, WHAT YOU'VE GOT A STAFF REPORT THAT GIVES THEIR INTERPRETATION AND EVALUATION OF CRITERIA.
UM, AND IT'S ULTIMATELY YOUR DECISION AS TO WHETHER YOU BELIEVE IT MEANS THE CRITERIA.
AND IF YOU BELIEVE IT DOESN'T MEAN THE CRITERIA YOU NEED TO STATE WHY ON THE RECORD WITH, YOU KNOW, AS WE'VE TALKED ABOUT FINDINGS, FACT AND CONCLUSIONS, UH, LEGAL CONCLUSIONS BASED ON THE CRITERIA THAT ARE OUT THERE.
SO IT SOUNDS LIKE WE'RE, UH, AT A POINT WHERE WE NEED TO COME UP WITH A DECISION IN THIS.
CAUSE WE CAN HAVE A DISCUSSION ON THIS FOR QUITE A WHILE WITHOUT HAVING, UH, A THIRD PARTY, UH, INVOLVED IN THIS.
SO IT SEEMS LIKE WE HAVE, WELL, MR. CHAIRMAN, I'M SORRY TO INTERRUPT YOU, BUT WHAT I THINK IS, WHAT I THINK MIGHT BE PERTINENT THIS CASE IS BECAUSE IT DOES SEEM THAT THERE ARE, YOU KNOW, THREE VERY STRONG OPINIONS ON WITH TWO ON THE INSIDE, ONE OR THE OTHER.
AND MR. SOLOMON, I, I'M NOT DISCOUNTING YOUR OPINION, BUT, UM, IT DOES SEEM THAT YOU HAVE YOUR, YOU KNOW, LESS, LESS ENTRENCHED ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.
SO I, WHAT I WOULD SAY IS TO TRY TO GET A IDEA OF YOUR FEELING SO THAT WE CAN DECIDE WHETHER IT IS BEST TO TRY TO HEAR MOTIONS AND HAVE THEM FAIL TWO TO TWO.
TWO TO TWO, AND SEE WHERE THAT LEAVES THE APPLICANT OR, UM, SEE IF THERE IS A REASONABLE SOLUTION THAT CAN BE REACHED ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.
UNFORTUNATELY, THE THREE OF THE COMMISSIONERS ARE NOT PRESENT TO GOODNESS.
THIS IS AN IMPORTANT ISSUE AND IT'S REALLY SAD THAT BOTH, YOU KNOW, WE GOT THREE PEOPLE MISSING.
UM, ESPECIALLY, I MEAN, JOSH OFFERS, SORRY, JOSH, ESPECIALLY JOSH, YOU OFFERS A, UM, YOU KNOW, A VERY UNIQUE PERSPECTIVE BEING IN THE CONSTRUCTION RIGHT.
AND CAN'T SPEAK FOR, RIGHT? YEAH.
WELL, I FEEL THAT WE JUST, WE NEED TO MOVE FORWARD WITH WHAT WE, WE NEED TO MAKE DECISION MOVE FORWARD AND GET, YOU KNOW, DO SOMETHING RATHER THAN CONTINUE TO STOP.
I THINK WE CAN BEAT THIS CONTINUALLY, BUT WE'RE NOT GONNA GET ANYWHERE UNLESS WE START MAKING A MOTION OR THAT RICHARD RICHARDSON SAID, YOU KNOW, LET'S PRESENT A MOTION.
AND THEN, UH, WELL, I THINK I, I THINK THE OPTIONS HERE, AND AGAIN, I DON'T, I'M TRYING NOT TO PUT WORDS IN THE MOUTH OF THE COMMISSIONERS OR IN THE APPLICANT, BUT THE OPTIONS ARE, UM, YOU KNOW, WHETHER MR. SOLOMON WILL AGREE TO ANY SORT OF CONDITIONS ON APPROVAL.
UH, BUT IF HE FEELS THAT THERE'S NOT ENOUGH INFORMATION TO MOVE FORWARD WITH AN APPROVAL, THEN THE ALTERNATIVE WOULD BE TO, TO TABLE AND TO TRY TO SCHEDULE A SPECIAL MEETING AS SOON AS POSSIBLE ON THIS TO TRY TO LIMIT DELAYS FOR, FOR THE APPLICANT.
UM, OBVIOUSLY THAT'S NOT WHAT THE APPLICANT WANTS.
APPLICANT'S HAD A NUMBER OF DELAYS, BUT, UM, WE JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE FOLLOWING THE RIGHT PROCESS, WHICHEVER, WHATEVER WAY IT MAY BE.
SO, AND WE CAN CALL A SPECIAL MEETING FOR THIS TO MOVE FORWARD IF WE HAVE TO.
AND, UH, UNFORTUNATELY, HOPEFULLY WE'D HAVE THE WHOLE BODY SHOW UP RATHER THAN FOUR.
UH, SO WE HAVE, UH, INPUT FROM THE OTHERS.
UM, YEAH, I I YOU CAN, YOU CAN CALL A SPECIAL MEETING, UM, AND THAT WOULD BE PART OF GLENN, YOU WOULD MM-HMM.
ULTIMATELY IT'S WHETHER, AGAIN, PUT THIS PRESSURE ALL ON, UH, COMMISSIONER SOLOMON, HE SEES ME IN THE PUBLICS, UM, FOR DOING THIS.
BUT THE, UH, IT'S WHETHER YOU, WHETHER YOU SEE THAT THERE ARE ANY CONDITIONS THAT CAN BE PUT ON THIS, OR WHETHER YOU THINK IT HAS TO BE TABLED AND MOVE TO A SPECIAL MEETING TO BE CALLED AS QUICKLY AS YOU CAN.
I, I MEAN, I JUST, I'M NOT COMFORTABLE.
I MEAN, I DON'T, I'M, I'M JUST NOT COMFORTABLE.
WHAT ARE YOU NOT COMFORTABLE? WHAT ARE, WHAT CAN THEY DO DIFFERENTLY TO MAKE YOU COMFORT? IN OTHER WORDS, THEY, THEY PRESENTED WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO DO FOR THIS PROPERTY.
UM, WE UNDERSTAND IF, IF WITH THE INFORMATION THAT WE HAVE, IF YOU GET ADDITIONAL INFORMATION, WHAT IS THAT GOING TO DO TO GIVE YOU COMFORT? UH, WHAT COULD THEY PROVIDE TO GIVE YOU COMFORT? I GUESS
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THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I'M KIND OF CONFUSE MYSELF.SO, UM, I THINK I, I BELIEVE WHAT BRIDGET'S SAYING, UH, IN REGARDS TO, IN WHAT AMANDA IS SAYING IN REGARDS TO THE INSPECTION DEPARTMENT, I, YOU WERE, YOU WENT TO THE PROPERTY YEAH.
AND YOU HAD A CHANCE TO PHYSICALLY SEE IT.
UM, SO WHAT COMFORT WOULD, UM, A PERSON COMING AND SAYING, YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I SAID, HELP.
I MEAN, IS THAT GONNA REALLY HELP OR IS THAT JUST GONNA PUSH IT ALONG FOR FURTHER DELAY? WELL, IT'S NOT JUST, THAT'S WHAT I REALLY SAID.
I MEAN, I THINK IT'S MORE TO, THAT'S OVERSIMPLIFYING.
I, UM, I MEAN IF, I DON'T KNOW IF I'M CUT OUT FOR THIS
UM, BUT THAT'S, I MEAN, BUT WE HAD A CHANCE IN FEBRUARY TO REVIEW AND UNDERSTAND THIS BUILDING BACK THEN.
SO THAT WAS DONE IN FEBRUARY, IN MY OPINION.
I AGREE WITH THAT FEBRUARY THING.
BUT THAT, THAT WAS A DIFFERENT CONSTRUCTION.
NO, I MEAN, WE DID HAVE AN OPEN DISCUSSION ON, BECAUSE THE JOINER HOUSE HAD JUST BEEN NOT, NOT IN FEBRUARY.
WHEN DID JOIN OR HOUSE COME? THAT WAS IN, UM, OH, JUNE, JULY, MY MONTHS NOW RUN TOGETHER.
OKAY, SO FEBRUARY WE SAID SOMETHING.
SO FEBRUARY YOU APPROVED THE RELOCATION OF THE DEER TONGUE WAREHOUSE.
THE DEMOLITION OF THE OTHER BUILDINGS, THE DEMOLITION OF THE NON HISTORIC NORTHERN PORTION.
THAT'S WHAT YOU APPROVED? YES.
THERE WAS NO DISCUSSION ABOUT, THERE WAS.
THERE WAS NO DISCUSSION ABOUT, AND I'M JUST GETTING CONFUSED WITH THE TWO PROPERTIES.
SO THIS IS, THIS WAS PRETTY SIMPLE IN FEBRUARY, IT WAS GONNA BE PICKED UP AND MOVED.
AND WE EVEN WENT OUT THE SITE AND LOOKED AND SAW LIKE HOW THEY GONNA GET AROUND THAT ONE TREE AND WHAT THE PATHWAY LOOKED LIKE AND WHERE WAS IT GONNA GO.
AND THEN YOU APPROVED IT WAS GONNA GO, YOU KNOW, WHAT, 10 FEET FROM THE PROPERTY LINE ORIENTED TOWARDS MAY RIVER ROAD.
UM, THIS IS A SOMEWHAT, WE HAD DIFFERENT APPLIC APPLICATION.
HUH? WE HAD A MEETING, WASN'T THERE? HELP ME OUT.
WASN'T THERE ANOTHER MEETING PRESENTED TO US? NO, NO.
WAS IT H PRC WE WENT IT WENT THROUGH H PRC.
BUT THEN THERE WAS, SO THIS IS, THIS IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT OF AN APPLICATION BECAUSE IT'S NOT PICKING UP AND MOVING IT, RIGHT.
IT'S DISMANTLING IT, BUILDING NEW, TAKING OLD OFF THE NEW, PUTTING IT ON THE NEW, ADDING THE ADDITIONAL BACK.
WELL, WE HAVE THESE DISCUSSIONS, NOT HRC RIGHT? BUT NOT WITH REGARDS TO THIS APPLICATION.
SO EACH APPLICATION NEEDS TO BE TREATED AS AN INDIVIDUAL STRUCTURE.
SO IN THIS CASE, WHAT THEY'RE ASKING YOU TO DECIDE ON THIS EVENING IS TO TAKE THE STRUCTURE THAT'S CURRENTLY THERE, DISMANTLE IT, BUILDING NEW STRUCTURE OVER HERE, PUTTING OLD STUFF IN THIS STRUCTURE ONTO THIS STRUCTURE, ADDING OUT THE BACK.
THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE ASKING YOU TO APPROVE RIGHT NOW, WHICH IS DIFFERENT THAN WHAT YOU APPROVED IN FEBRUARY.
NOW TO MR. SOLOMON'S POINT ABOUT, YOU KNOW, STRUCTURE NOT BEING COMFORTABLE, YOU KNOW, THAT'S A DIFFERENT CONVERSATION.
YOU KNOW, THERE'S A STR WAS A STRUCTURAL REPORT DONE IN JANUARY FOR THE FEBRUARY HPC APPROVAL THAT'S STILL OUT THERE.
I DON'T PROFESS TO BE AN ENGINEER, BUT HAS THINGS CHANGED? I COULDN'T TELL YOU RICHARD WAS NOT AT THE WALKTHROUGHS THAT WE HAD OUT ON SITE.
IT MIGHT BE BENEFICIAL TO HAVE HIM COME IN AND EXPLAIN TO YOU, ALL RIGHT, HOW ARE WE GONNA TREAT, YOU KNOW, THESE VARIOUS CHANGES THAT NEED TO BE MADE FOR THE, FOR THE, FROM THE CODE PERSPECTIVE.
UM, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, WE COULD ADDRESS AT, YOU KNOW, A SPECIAL MEETING.
UM, BUT THERE'S SOUNDS LIKE WE'RE, WE'RE JUST, IT'S A LITTLE WHAT THIS, IT'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE SAW IN FEBRUARY.
SO WE NEED TO, WE NEED TO COME UP WITH SOME KIND OF
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DECISION HERE, UM, RATHER THAN CONTINUE TO TALK ABOUT THE SAME THING.SO IT REALLY, WHAT IT KIND OF BOILS DOWN TO IS YOU, YOU HAVE TWO MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION WHO FEEL THAT THE RECONSTRUCTION PROCESS IS A, YOU KNOW, I GUESS A, A DEVIATION FROM THE STANDARD PRACTICE ON THE RELOCATION OF, UH, CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND CONTRIBUTING RESOURCES AND THE WHOLE TOWN, HISTORIC DISTRICT.
AND THEREFORE WANT TO HAVE ADDITIONAL INFORMATION AS TO WHY THE, YOU KNOW, RECONSTRUCTION WOULD BE NECESSARY RATHER THAN MOVING AS A WHOLE PIECE.
UM, AND THEN I WOULD, THIS IS ONE OF THOSE AREAS WHERE I DIVERSE STAFF, STAFF HAS A MUCH MORE TIME AND EXPERIENCE AND KNOWLEDGE ON THIS.
I, I'M NOT SURE IF THE UDO DOES CREATE THAT SORT OF, YOU KNOW, TIERED PRESERVATION STANDARD WHERE IT'S OKAY IF YOU MOVE IT IN HOLE.
IS IS THAT MORE BENEFICIAL THAN, YOU KNOW, RECONSTRUCTING ON THAT, THAT SPACE? I, I, I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT'S, WELL, IT, THE SECRETARY OF INTERIOR WILL ALLOW MOVING BUILDINGS, THOUGH.
IT'S NEVER PREFERRED, BUT RECONSTRUCTION.
THE THREE ELEMENTS THAT WERE STATED BY WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT THE, THE ONE ELEMENT WAS RECONSTRUCTION, RIGHT? BUT IN OUR, IN OUR UDO, THIS IS WHERE WE START GETTING CONFUSED BY USING WORDS THAT ARE, OR TERMS THAT ARE NOT IN THE UDO.
SO THE UDO TALKS ABOUT REHABILITATION.
THAT'S THE STANDARD WE LOOK FOR IN 3 18 3.
THE SECRETARY ALLOWS RECONSTRUCTION, RIGHT? NO REHABILITATION.
THAT'S IN THE, THAT'S THE STANDARD THAT'S IN THE UDO 3 18 3 A TALKS ABOUT THE SECRETARY OF INTERIOR'S STANDARDS FOR REHABILITATION OF A HISTORIC BUILDING.
RECONSTRUCTION IS A DIFFERENT TREATMENT CUZ THE SECRETARY HAS FOUR.
THAT'S A DIFFERENT ONE THAT'S NOT IN THE UDO, BUT IT'S ALLOWED.
AND THAT'S NOT WHAT RECONSTRUCTION IS.
THIS IS NOT RECONSTRUCTION BY THE SECRETARY OF INTERIOR'S STANDARDS.
WHAT IS THIS? THIS IS A RECONSTRUCTION.
NO, IT'S THE DEMOLITION OF A BUILDING AND A RECONSTRUCTION OF A NEW BUILDING.
AND THE SECRETARY OF INTERIOR DOESN'T HAVE A STANDARD FOR THAT.
SO IF YOU WANNA REHABILITATE THE HISTORIC STRUCTURE THAT'S THERE, THE DEER TONGUE WAREHOUSE, WE HAVE A SET OF STANDARDS FOR THAT.
THE SECRETARY OF INTERIOR HAS OTHER STANDARDS FOR OTHER SITUATIONS THAT ARE NOT IN THE UDL.
AND ONE OF THOSE IS RECONSTRUCTION.
AND THIS IS NOT WHAT RECONSTRUCTION IS BY THOSE STANDARDS.
SO FOR EXAMPLE, RECONSTRUCTION UNDER THOSE STANDARDS WOULD BE SOMETHING ALONG THE LINES OF, UM, WE HAVE DRAWINGS AND DOCUMENTATION OF WHAT SQUARE POPS HOUSE LOOK LIKE.
WE WANT TO REBUILD IT RECONSTRUCTION.
WE CAN DO THAT UNDER THE SECRETARY OF INTERIOR STANDARDS BECAUSE THEY TELL YOU HOW TO DO THAT.
SO MY COUNCIL WOULD BE, THIS IS NOT RECONSTRUCTION BY THE STANDARDS, BUT WHAT ARE OF THE FOUR ELEMENTS, WHAT IS THIS CONSIDERED? IT'S NOT, NONE OF THE FOUR STANDARDS IDENTIFY WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING TO DO WRONG.
BECAUSE THERE ARE SOME INSTANCES WHERE THIS WOULD BE TOTALLY APPROPRIATE, LIKE THE JOINER HOUSE, BUT THAT NOTHING AND NO NOTHING HAD EVEN COME CLOSE TO POINTING IN THAT DIRECTION.
I MEAN, IN FACT THEY POINT IN THE OTHER DIRECTION AND EVERYONE'S READY TO GO HOME.
UM, BUT JUST INTERJECTING OR FALLING BACK UP ON WHAT GLEN SAID, UM, WE'RE JUST ASKING FOR THE SAME TYPE OF, UH, PRECEDENTS THAT OTHER PROPERTY OWNERS OF CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES HAVE RECEIVED.
THIS IS, THIS IS NOT A FOREIGN PROCESS.
WE ARE NOT THE FIRST TO DO IT.
THE GRAVES HOME WAS LITERALLY DONE IN THE SAME FASHION WITH PROBABLY NOT AS MUCH, UM, INTRICACY THAT WE ARE DOING.
THE SAME THING WAS DONE WITH THE GAR GARVEY HOME.
WE ARE SEEN THE SAME PRECEDENCE MEANS THAT THE JOINER HOME AND THE RECENT PROPERTY HERE IN MOORE STREET, OWNERS OF CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES HAVE A TWO FOLDED BURDEN.
ONE IS TAKING SOMETHING THAT IS PRECIOUS AND DEAR TO THE AREA, BUT IT'S ALSO ASSUMING THE FINANCIAL RESPONSIBILITIES OF THAT.
AND SO IF WE WANNA SET THE TYPE OF PRECEDENCE THAT'S ENCOURAGING PEOPLE TO NOT FEEL BURDENED WITH ACQUIRING THESE STRUCTURES, THEN IT ALSO HAS TO BE AN UNDERSTANDING THAT OUR, UH, UDO OUR PROCESSES
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SHOULD BE THINGS THAT ARE MEANT TO WORK WITH PEOPLE IN DOING THAT AND NOT NECESSARILY PENALIZING THEM, UM, FOR THAT, FOR THAT PURPOSE.AND ESPECIALLY WHEN THEY ARE GOING IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE GUIDELINES.
WHEN WE SUBMITTED OUR FINAL HPC PACKET, WE ALSO SUBMITTED THE RECONSTRUCTION.
SO IT'S NOT LIKE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE HERE TONIGHT BRINGING IT UP FOR THE FIRST TIME.
AND WHAT THAT CAME, THAT CATALOGING CAME THE DETAIL OF OF HOW ALL THAT WOULD HAPPEN UNDER THE RECOMMENDATION, UM, THAT WE RECEIVED FROM STAFF AT THE UM, UH, THE H PRC UM, MEETING.
SO I JUST WANTED TO, CAUSE I DIDN'T WANNA EVEN FEEL LIKE THIS IS THE FIRST TIME WHERE THE FIRST PEOPLE TO ASK TO DO THIS.
WE HAVE EXAMPLES OF THIS ALL THROUGHOUT TOWN OF HOW THIS, UM, HAS BEEN DONE BEFORE.
AND WE'RE ASKING FOR THE SAME THING, UM, HERE WITHOUT ANY, ANY BIASES OR, OR ANY UM, UNINTERRUPTED UH, UH, FEELINGS HERE.
WE'RE ASKING TO GO BY THE CODES BY WHAT'S BEEN ALLOWED ALREADY BY, UM, BY THE COMMISSION AND BY STAFF.
EACH HISTORIC BUILDING IS SO DIFFERENT.
I DON'T COMPARE THOSE TWO AT ALL.
I MEAN IT JUST, AND THERE'RE GRANTS AND LOTS OF FINANCIAL RESOURCES THAT, THAT WAS AN ELEMENT.
FEDERAL GRANT, FEDERAL, THEY'RE NOT UM, YOU GUYS ARE NOT SEEKING A NICKEL FROM THE GOVERNMENT, CORRECT? CAN'T BE AN THE TOWN.
BUT THERE AREN'T ALL BEING DONE FEDERAL GRANTS KINDA THING FOR PRESERVATION, NOT RECON TOPIC OF FEDERAL GRANTS.
THEY'RE NOT ELIGIBLE FOR FEDERAL GRANTS BECAUSE FEDERAL GRANTS ARE ONLY AVAILABLE TO BUILDINGS THAT ARE LISTED ON IN THE NATIONAL REGISTER OF HISTORIC PLACES OR ELIGIBLE FOR LISTING IN THE NATIONAL REGISTER.
SO CAN I GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE OF A CODE ISSUE OF PLEASE WHY THESE WALLS? SO IMAGINE WE TAKE THE BUILDING AND WE MOVE IT RICHARD SPRUCE, WHOEVER HE MIGHT NOT BE HERE IN A COUPLE YEARS CUZ HE IS RETIRING.
UM, HE GOES IN AND TELLS US ALL THE THINGS WE NEED TO DO TO BRING IT UP TO CODE ENERGY, CODE, LIFE SAFETY, ALL THOSE BUILDING CODE ASPECTS WE HAVE TO DO IN COMMERCIAL.
WHAT WE WOULD HAVE TO DO IS BUILD INTERIOR WALLS.
BUT THEN HOW DO YOU, WE WOULD HAVE TO DISMANTLE THE EXTERIOR ONES ANYWAY TO BE ABLE TO WATERPROOF AND INSULATE THE BUILDING CUZ THERE IS NONE OF THAT.
AND SO AT SOME POINT THINGS WILL HAVE TO BE DISMANTLED AND PUT BACK ANYWAY NO MATTER HOW YOU SLICE IT.
I MEAN IT IT, YOU'RE REALLY NOT MOVING.
YOU'RE JUST MOVING, YOU'RE MOVING THE SAME THING BUT YOU'RE JUST MOVING IT DIFFERENTLY BECAUSE YOU'RE REDOING THE OUTSIDE.
AGAIN, I'M, I WE'RE TAKING THE SAME, I HEAR YOU GUYS CONTINUE SAYING WHAT I VISION IS YOU'RE ACTUALLY GONNA CATALOG THIS IS, IT'S IN, IN OUR DOG.
WHERE DOES A ONE GO EXACTLY? IT GOES RIGHT UNDERNEATH THE WINDOW RIGHT HERE.
SO THAT'S WHAT REPURPOSED SAVANNAH DOES IS PRESERVATION.
WELL IT'S NOT BECAUSE PRESERVATION WOULD BE AKIN TOO.
IF WE, WE WANNA PRESERVE A PIECE OF BREAD, I'LL PUT IN A ZIPLOC BAG, BUT AT SOME POINT IT'S GONNA GET MOLDED.
WE PRESERVATION TAKES ON A DIFFERENT CONTEXT WHEN IT TALKS ABOUT REALLY TAKING SOMETHING AND MAKING IT SUSTAINABLE FOR FUTURE USES.
IF THE DARE TERM BUILDING REMAINS AS IS ON THAT PROPERTY OR MOVED TO AN ADJACENT PROPERTY, THAT BUILDING WILL BE NONEXISTENT AND IT, THE ONLY LOVE WE'LL HAVE FOR IT WILL BE OF A MEMORY.
AND WE DON'T WANT THAT TO BE THE CASE.
WE WANT THAT STRUCTURE TO BE THERE AND NOT JUST PRESERVE WE WANT IT TO, WE WOULD LIKE YOU TO BE ABLE TO USE, WANNA BE THERE FOR ANOTHER HUNDRED YEARS.
WE'D LIKE TO BE ABLE TO USE IT FOR FUNCTION PURPOSE AND NOT JUST SIT THERE AS A GLEN.
SO GLEN, LET ME ASK YOU, IF WE WERE TO SAY WE NEED TO HAVE A SPECIAL MEETING, WHEN COULD WE SCHEDULE A SPECIAL MEETING? UH, AND HOW DO YOU GO ABOUT THAT? CUZ I'VE NEVER BEEN INVOLVED IN ONE, BUT IT SEEMS LIKE IF WE NEED TO HAVE THAT AND HAVE THESE INDIVIDUALS COME, UH, YOU KNOW, LOOK GET LOADED FOR BEAR AND UH, SUPPORT THE INFORMATION THAT YEAH.
AND SO, BUT IF WE COULD HAVE A SPECIAL MEETING BECAUSE I HATE TO SEE THE APPLICANT CONTINUE TO BE DELAYED AND THAT'S, I GUESS HOW CAN WE DO THIS? UH, IF, UH, THAT'S ONE OF THE MOTIONS THAT WE HAVE TO MAKE HERE.
CAUSE I DON'T THINK WE'RE GONNA GET ANYWHERE TONIGHT BY TWO AND TWO HERE.
YEAH, I I I THINK WHAT YOU, YOU JUST NEED TO CONSIDER A MOTION TO TABLE AND PLACE THE B ON STAFF TO SCHEDULE THAT MEETING FOR AS QUICKLY AS, AS THEY POSSIBLY CAN SCHEDULE IT.
I WOULD THINK THAT YOU'RE, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE REQUIRED BY LAW TO GIVE 24 HOURS, THROW FOUR HOURS NOTICE,
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HOLDING NOTICE BEFORE SPECIAL MEETING.BUT YOU ALSO HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT THE SCHEDULES WORK AND IT GIVES THE APPLICANT SUFFICIENT AMOUNT OF TIME TO GET THE DOCUMENTATION THAT THEY NEED.
SO LIKELY IS GONNA BE A LITTLE BIT OF BALANCING, UM, WITHOUT THE DATE BEING ABLE TO BE SET TONIGHT.
BUT IF THAT, AND WE WOULD HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE A QUORUM AND YES, WE HAVE TO HAVE A CORE, I MEAN HOPEFULLY, YOU KNOW, I SIGNED UP TO BE ON A COMMISSION AND I'M JUST MENTIONING THIS TO THE FELLOW COMMISSIONERS THAT ARE OUT HERE.
I THINK MY ATTENDANCE HAS BEEN PRETTY DAGON GOOD FOR THE LAST HOWEVER MANY YEARS AND IT'S JUST REALLY DISAPPOINTING TO SEE THE OTHERS NOT ATTENDING.
I'M JUST SAYING THAT BECAUSE THAT'S UPSETTING TO ME THAT WE DIDN'T GET THE INPUT FROM THEM.
IF YOU DO OPT TO GO THE ROUTE OF TABLING IT FOR A SPECIAL MEETING DATE, UM, PLEASE MAKE SURE THAT IN THAT TABLING MOTION YOU MAKE CLEAR WHAT IT IS YOU'RE EXPECTING FROM THE APPLICANT PRIOR TO THAT MEETING SO THAT WE KNOW WHAT TO GET AND IT DOESN'T JUST KICK THE CAN DOWN THE ROAD ROAD WITH THE SAME QUESTIONS ON THE TABLE.
UH, SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, CAN I, UH, ASK FOR A MOTION, UM, AND POSSIBLY THE DISCUSSION AND I DON'T KNOW, RICHARDSON, IS THERE SOMETHING THAT YOU'D LIKE TO ADD TO THAT IN HELP PRESENTING MOTION? OR, OR NO, I THINK IT WOULD, I THINK IT'S JUST SAYING MOTION TO TABLE TO GIVE THE APPLICANT AND THE COMMISSION MORE TIME TO, YOU KNOW, REVIEW THE MATERIALS BUT ALSO TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL MATERIALS REGARDING THE, UH, THE STRUCTURAL INTEGRITY OF THE, THE BUILDING.
IS THAT WHAT I, I'M GONNA HAVE TO DEFER TO COMMISSIONER SOLOMON BOX BELL ABOUT WHAT, WHAT AND WHAT PARTICULARLY THEY'RE LOOKING FOR.
BUT EFFECTIVELY IT'S JUST A MOTION TO TABLE.
BUT BE SURE TO PROVIDE SOME CONTEXT SO THAT PEOPLE CAN, FOR ME IT WOULD BE SOMETHING, UH, JUST, UH, AND I COMPLETELY, UM, BELIEVE EVERYTHING THAT YOU'LL SAY.
UM, SOMETHING TO ME IT WOULD BE A BUILT THE BUILDING OFFICIAL, UM, LAYING OUT THE, UM, I GUESS CONDITIONS THAT MAKE A RELOCATION, UM, NOT ECONOMICALLY FEASIBLE.
UM, FROM, IT'S NOT EVEN ECONOMICS.
IT SHOULDN'T BE, I MEAN, YEAH.
WELL IF IT SHOULDN'T BE THEN, UM,
UH, I MEAN THEN YEAH, THE FEASIBILITY OF BRINGING IT UP TO CODE, UM, FOR ME IT'S NOT THAT I DON'T BELIEVE, UM, THE APPLICANT IS JUST, I'VE GOT A THIRD PARTY STRUCTURAL, UM, THAT SAYS YOU CAN MOVE IT.
UM, THEN I JUST NEED A LITTLE BIT MORE, UM, THAN, THAN WHAT'S PROVIDED NOW FOR ME TO FEEL COMFORTABLE.
UM, SO THE, UH, BUILDING, UM, MISSIONER, IF, UH, WE COULD HAVE A MEETING, I WOULD, UM, NOT SPEAKING WITH ANYONE ELSE, BUT I COULD DEFINITELY MAKE IS THE SCHEDULE.
THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THEY COULD DO.
STAFF IS, LET ME ASK THIS QUESTION.
YOU KNOW, IS THE TOWN STAFF MEMBER SUFFICIENT OR DO YOU NEED OTHER INFORMATION? YOU KNOW, ANY INFORMATION, WHAT'S GONNA PRESENT? UM, WHEN YOU SAY TOWN MEAN RICHARD, THE BUILDING OFFICIAL RATHER.
YEAH, SO BUILDINGS RICHARD SHOULD BE I DO FOR, FOR ME THAT THAT'S ALL THAT I WOULD, YEAH.
RICHARD RICHARDS SPREE WOULD BE THE GUIDE.
CAN I MAKE A MOTION? A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE THE APPLICATION, UM, WITH THE CONDITIONS THAT STAFF HAS PRESENTED IN ADDITION TO THAT FOR THE APPLICANT TO WORK WITH STAFF IN THE BUILDING CODE, UM, TO MAKE SURE THAT THINGS ARE IN ORDER AND FAR AS FAR AS AS THE BUILDING IS BEING RECONSTRUCTED OR TAKEN DOWN AND CATALOGED AND THE, UH, CODE IS BEING BROUGHT UP TO DATE THAT THEY CAN WORK WITH STAFF.
SO YOU HAVE A MOTION ON THE TABLE.
I MEAN I CAN, UH, I MEAN TO ME THAT WOULD JUST BE APPROVAL ALL.
I MEAN I CAN SECOND SO WE CAN VOTE ON IT, BUT UM, IF YOU, IF YOU SECOND THAT'S YEAH.
IS THAT, IS THAT WHAT I UNDERSTAND? YES.
I MEAN, SO I DO HAVE A MOTION AND CAN YOU, AND THAT IS A TO, I I UNDERSTAND THAT FOR MR. SALMAN, THAT IS A SECOND FOR THE PURPOSES OF PUTTING THIS TO DISCUSSION.
NOT NECESSARILY A SECOND THAT'S BINDING THEM TO ANY VOTE.
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THAT DOESN'T MEET THE, FOR ME TO, UH, VOTE YES BECAUSE BY VOTE IF BY VOTING YES TO THAT, THEN THAT'S ESSENTIALLY APPROVING THE APPLICATION BECAUSE TOWN STAFF HAS SAID THAT THEY'RE RECOMMENDING, UM, APPROVAL.SO THAT WOULD BE, THAT WOULD ESSENTIALLY, WELL, BUT YOU, YOU HAVE SECONDED IT ALREADY.
SO NOW WE ARE IN DISCUSSION BASICALLY.
SO I NOW NEED TO ASK FOR VOTE.
WELL, MR. CHAIRMAN, CUZ YOU DO HAVE TO, YOU HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR DISCUSSION, BUT JUST TO CLARIFY, AND I THINK THIS WAS JUST A MIS PERHAPS A MISSTATEMENT, BUT THE, THE LOCATION, THE RELOCATION LOCATION HAS ALREADY BEEN APPROVED.
THAT WAS APPROVED IN FEBRUARY, IS REALLY ABOUT THE PROCESS OF RELOCATING AND WHETHER THE PROCESS BEING PROPOSED IS ACCEPTABLE.
SO I GUESS SINCE WE HAVE A SECOND AND WE HAVE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THAT MOTION, SO I'M LOOKING FOR A VOTE ON THAT NOW FOR COMING BACK TO WHAT YOUR CONDITION IS INCLUDES YOUR COM, YOUR CONDITION, WE CAN INCLUDE THAT INTO THE MOTION.
WE HAVE TO REVIEW THE, WE HAVE TO, UH, OR THAT WOULD BE AN AMEND, AN AMENDED MOTION OR I GUESS THE WAY WE NEED TO VOTE IS WE NEED TO VOTE ON IT AND THEN WE NEED TO HAVE ANOTHER MOTION, YOU KNOW, EITHER VOTE ON IT AND APPROVE IT OR MOVE ON TO ANOTHER MOTION MADE MIGHT BE THE BEST THING.
YEAH, AND I, I DON'T, I'M NOT TRYING TO RUSH Y'ALL.
I REALLY, I DON'T WANT TO DO THAT, BUT I KNOW PEOPLE HAVE BEEN HERE FOR, WE, WE'VE BEEN HERE FOR QUITE A WHILE AND WE NEED TO COME TO A RESULT AND WE'RE NOT COMING TO A RESULTS.
SO WE NEED BATTERING AT, I, I THINK THE, THE OPTION IS FOR, UH, THERE'S AN OPTION FOR MR. SOLOMON TO TRY TO AMEND THIS, TO PUT THIS CONDITION ON HIM, BUT I DON'T THINK THAT MR. SOLOMON HAS A CONDITION IN MIND THAT HE FEELS IS APPROPRIATE THAT WOULD ALLOW HIM TO AGREE WITH CONDITIONS.
SO, UM, THERE IS A MOTION WITH THE SECOND MR. SOLOMON DOES NOT WISH TO AMEND.
I IMAGINE IT'LL GO AFTER THAT.
I WILL WAIT FOR ANOTHER MOTION.
SO THEREFORE I AM LOOKING FOR A VOTE ON THIS.
YEAH, WE HAVE THAT WRITTEN DOWN.
SO NOW THAT MOTION FAILED MOTION LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE IT AND HAVE A SPECIAL MEETING.
SECOND, I HAVE A MOTION AND WE HAVE A SECOND.
ANY DISCUSSION ON THAT? I MEAN, JUST SAY FOR ME, I WOULD JUST NEED TO, UH, HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH THE BUILDING, UM, OFFICIAL.
SO THE
SO WE HAVE A MOTION, WE HAVE A SECOND.
I'M LOOKING FOR A VOTE ON THIS.
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SO THEREFORE, NOW, UH, JUST TO RECAP, UM, WE'RE LOOKING FOR A SPECIAL MEETING ON THIS WITH THE, UH, APPLICANT UNDERSTANDING WHAT THEY NEED TO DO AND, UH, KATIE GLEN, YOU'RE GONNA SET THAT UP AS SOON AS POSSIBLE PLEASE.SO SHE'LL BE AT IN TOUCH WITH YOU, GREG.
SHE'S GOING BE SETTING IT UP TO THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS AND HOPEFULLY WE HAVE A FULL BODY.
AND AGAIN, I'M GONNA JUST REITERATE IS I'M REALLY DISAPPOINTED IN OUR COMMISSION.
UM, I'VE BEEN ON THIS FOR YEARS AND I THINK I GOT ONE ABSENCE, SO SHAME ON, ON A IMPORTANT MEETING LIKE THIS.
WELL, AND I'VE SPOKEN WAY TOO MUCH OF THIS MEETING ALREADY, BUT IF I MAY ADD ONE SMALL THING, MR. MR. SOLO SAID THAT HE SOUNDED LIKE HE DOUBTED WHETHER HE SHOULD BE SERVING ON THIS COMMISSION.
I WANNA MAKE THAT VERY CLEAR THAT, UH, I THINK YOU, YOUR INSIGHTS ARE CONSISTENTLY EXCELLENT AND I THINK YOU'RE A EXTRAORDINARILY VALUABLE MEMBER OF THIS COMMISSION.
SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THAT IS PUBLIC AND YOU KNOW, I SECOND THAT, I SECOND THAT.
AND I ALSO HAVE TO SAY IS THIS IS NOT FUN.
AND THIS IS ALL, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE ALL VOLUNTEERS FOLKS.
AND, UH, I WOULD, I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THAT I DO HAVE A PERSONAL CONNECTION TO THIS BUILDING.
AND, BUT I'M, THAT IS SO LONG AGO.
IF ANYTHING, I'M TI LIKE I'M OVER THAT I DO NOT CARE AT ALL THIS, I'M LOOKING AT
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THIS LIKE I'M ON THE PRESERVATION COMMISSION AND THIS IS WHAT PRES, THIS IS WHAT MY PURPOSE OF BEING ON HERE IS, IS NOT TO JUST LET SOMETHING BE DEMOLISHED AND RECONSTRUCTED USING THE SAME MATERIALS.SO I I GET THAT YOU THINK THAT, UM, IT'S A PERSONAL THING FOR ME, BUT IT REALLY, REALLY IS NOT.
SO NOW, THEREFORE, LETS SEE, I'M LOOKING FOR A MOTION RIGHT NOW FOR GERMAN.
I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO ADJOURN.
ALL VOTE GAY? ANY OPPOSED? YOU'RE ADJOURNED.